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His “ulterior motive” is that he likes you and wants to spend time with you. 🤦‍♂️🤡
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 10:04 PM
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You don’t have to be a cat to observe and draw conclusions about how cats behave. It’s called the ability to think abstractly.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 01:06 AM
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We can pinpoint it though.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 12:51 AM
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Facts. If I had been half as grabby with women as women have been with me over the years (inclusive of my childhood), I’d be rotting in jail.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 08:29 PM
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I’ve spent a fair bit of time in villages all over rural French speaking West Africa and know far more about life in such villages than you’ll ever know. And yes, what I said about women’s essential roles stands.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 04:38 AM
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Gathering berries, vegetables, and wood, making clothes, fetching water, and (later) cooking, all with children on their backs when not feeding them. Altogether not all that different than how many live in rural Africa now (but with light farming duties like millet pounding, tending the chickens, and taking the goods to the local market with the young children strapped on their backs).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 03:44 AM
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I’m saying women’s essential natural roles are that for which the sex exists in the first place and for which Homo sapiens sapiens women have evolved over 250,000 years. Oh, and you must not have actually read the Communist Manifesto. His disdain for the family unit and call for Communism’s abolition of it are plainly stated in Chapter 2.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:55 AM
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…because of a sustained Marxist effort to undermine the family structure by fomenting women’s hatred of their essential nature and roles. Wealth and the power it confers is relative, and women measure men’s wealth and subsequent power relatively. That relative nature will fuel concentration in competition for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 12:16 AM
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Check out the current and historical standard of living in non-capitalist countries to see how you’re wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:57 PM
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Men desire riches because women desire rich men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:56 PM
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This applies to you too: https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/eFJbmo6h7J
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:55 PM
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Men desire riches because women desire rich men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:54 PM
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It’s never due to that nonsensical victim fantasy because that’s not how economics works. Try banking cartels and government spending (for which new money is created faster than the growth of productivity).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:53 PM
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It does, 100%. I misread your first post and thought you were suggesting repeated asks were coercion.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 05:34 PM
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Sorry, I misread your first post. You are 100% correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 05:33 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coercion
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 05:06 PM
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Not necessarily, the groupthink is actually even worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 11:29 PM
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You grant universities far too much credit. Source: My father was a professor and administrator at a major US university and I and all my siblings hold bachelors and masters degrees from Ivys (me) and mini Ivys (my siblings).
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 07:48 PM
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https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/PJr8PaIBCv
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 02:58 AM
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The content of an entire sub could fairly be considered evidence. Also: https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/PJr8PaIBCv
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 02:56 AM
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https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/zLPwZC3xBI
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 02:47 AM
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https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/zLPwZC3xBI
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 02:47 AM
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https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/zLPwZC3xBI
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 02:46 AM
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It doesn’t seem as if you understand that of which a category error consists. Maybe this will help: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category\_mistake
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 02:45 AM
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It doesn’t prove my point because it’s entirely unrelated to my point. But thanks for proving my point!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 02:43 AM
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☝️apparently category errors are on special today.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 02:42 AM
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…and a 3rd category error.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 02:41 AM
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☝️yet another category error
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 02:41 AM
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☝️category error
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 02:40 AM
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Note the big if as your opening word.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 02:26 AM
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The difference being that RP philosophy is rooted in the use of empirical inquiry, adherence to observable outcomes, and the idea that men must adjust themselves and their opinions to the results of that empirical inquiry and the observable outcomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 02:07 AM
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Feel free to study this entire sub and even your own comments within it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 02:01 AM
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As is so thoroughly demonstrated in this sub, women have a strong tendency to associate critique with hate and generally find introspection, honest self observation, and honest self critique to be anathema. Rather, they default to defining what is true by what they want to be true (ie truth is subjective), when in reality the concept of truth itself implies external standardization. Systematic improvement and successful implementation require these two things which women strenuously avoid. This …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 06:05 PM
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If they both have jobs in which they make average salaries, they are above average as the average salary doesn’t include the roughly 33% of adult men who are not in the labor force.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 05:37 PM
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Have your brothers been incarcerated? Did they finish high school? How about college? Do they have jobs? How much do they earn? Etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 05:38 AM
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Take the same rooms and propose the sexual intimacy after 3 months of dating. Will the woman have a higher probability of having the larger number or the man? I will bet your entire net worth that the man will have the higher probability of having the higher number because… …women are pickier than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 06:45 AM
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Thought exercise: Take a pool of 100 random men and ask a random woman with how many of those men she would be willing to be sexually intimate. Now reverse the sexes and do the same exercise. What is the probability that the woman’s number would be higher than the man’s? No, men are not pickier than women. Yes, women are picker than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 03:01 AM
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It is common knowledge that most women find most men unattractive, so the average man is unattractive to most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 12:06 AM
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The men posting here are likely drawn from a Poole whose average is above average in many ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:58 PM
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Of course there are economics. Economics is just a language which we use to describe natural markets and the dynamics of mating are most certainly market based as people have and express preferences in those dynamics.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 10:09 PM
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So, not average then.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 10:05 PM
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So (under the fair assumption that men are normally distributed) you could have gone to Target and you would have approached at least half the men you encountered there?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 10:01 PM
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No, it’s not called “bodily autonomy.” It’s called the “self defense” defense, and elective abortion does not meet that legal standard. Yes, I do believe that the people’s right to organize militias to protect the security of their free states requires that the government be restricted from infringing upon the people’s natural right to bear arms. However, that does not mean that I believe that people have a “right” to kill their own children because they wish to avoid the natural duty of care th…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 09:21 PM
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So they were not average then?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 09:14 PM
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So, why were you approaching them?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 08:58 PM
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True, abortion isn’t murder. Murder is a legal fiction and in many jurisdictions elective abortion is not illegal. However elective abortion very much is the killing of a living human that is one’s child no less and as such is the ultimate form of violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 08:41 PM
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I made no such association. Rather, I said that the concept of “investing in oneself” has a self-centered focus that will produce self-centered results and that self-centered results tend to be toxic. To that I would add that the self-centered focus is typically a result of fundamental insecurity, and “self-confidence” born from attempting to “fix” fundamental insecurity is false. I also suggested that true (and positive) power extends from curiosity and an outward focused energy. But it is true…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 08:33 PM
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Anyone who’s ever tended bar can tell you that women sexually harass women far more frequently than the other way around. If I had sexually harassed women as often as I have been harassed by women, I’d be writing from jail with no prospect of getting out. As to violence, even research based on reports shows that woman are nearly as physically abusive as men not counting the male underreporting and are more emotionally abusive within the context of relationships (where the vast majority of abuse …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:56 PM
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The problem is the delusion of separating romantic interest from sexual interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:26 PM
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The bulk of the “research” is based on reports. Men report being victims of violence and sexual harassment far less frequently than do women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:24 PM
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Of course it does, but pair bonded relationships between men and women are rooted in sex and sexual desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:21 PM
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Not really.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:19 PM
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Words have meaning and (as I demonstrated in my response) meaning matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:06 PM
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The entire and singular reason that the sexes even exist is sexual reproduction. The entire reason that men and women form paired relationships is sexual. Of course it was all about sex from the beginning.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:05 PM
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…and not average.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:02 PM
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Women don’t approach average men. If a man is being approached by women, he’s most definitely significantly above the average.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:14 PM
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You forgot the part where he observes you always choosing to eat something other than burgers.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:08 PM
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Women are more frequently violent when rejected than are men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:06 PM
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Yes, effort is needed to accumulate power, but it’s not so much “investing in yourself” as it is just being curious, energetic, and wanting to do things for others. The “investing in yourself” idea suggests an inward borderline narcissistic focus that corrupts the energy that generates actual power into a toxic form of power (to which women are all too frequently also attracted).
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:04 PM
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Perhaps you should stop pretending that sexual relationships are not about sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 05:54 PM
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This take ignores the economics of the situation. The men to whom women are genuinely attracted are in very short supply and very high demand. Playing the passive game puts women at the disadvantage in that market condition.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 05:51 PM
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It’s less that men are put off by women approaching and more than women are approaching men who are “out of their league” (noting that I think that’s a terribly inadequate phrase, but you get the idea) and very frequently already have a significant other or a full roster of less significant others.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 05:47 PM
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Being a man who gets approached isn’t really about what we “invest in ourselves.” Rather, it’s about the extent to which we signal power in some combination of physically, socially, financially, intellectually, or spiritually. Power is what attracts women and if we signal enough power women will approach and make themselves available.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 05:42 PM
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Themselves transactionally, and themselves non-transactionally.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:55 PM
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Yes typical male asking for some hard facts and cold logic as opposed to wild conjecture about feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:10 PM
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We don’t. Perhaps you should try arguing against the actual claims.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:58 PM
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Your post is full of straw men. I’m simply asking you to make a non fallacious assertion about specific men’s assertions.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 09:18 PM
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Being sad about the loss of something you enjoyed and feeling “used” are not the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 09:17 PM
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Say what things specifically?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:18 PM
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As I said, we understand the value of the semantic deception (read: Vietnam was a “police action” not a “war”), but back in reality Vietnam was actually a war.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:14 PM
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Women are the sexual selectors of the species. You act, we respond to your choice-making actions rationally. Tension exists because you collectively lie about your actions in order to maintain a fallaciously positive self image, some men believe those lies, and then wonder why the math isn’t mathing. When they eventually work backwards to discover a rationalizing formula which makes the equation balance, you get upset that the formula which accurately rationalizes exposes the fallacies you propa…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:10 PM
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“I am not a prostitute” vs. “people need to educate themselves on sex work as a whole” 🧐 We understand that the employment of euphemism and semantic deception is important in your line of work for legal reasons, and maybe for the preservation of one’s self image, but the use of such euphemism and semantic deception to create technical loopholes for the law (or self-conscience) does not alter the fundamental nature of a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:54 PM
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…or women put themselves on a pedestal, portray themselves as an ultimate prize to be won, view relationships as markers of status, and some men believe it. And then those same women get upset when the men who don’t believe it point out that women are merely humans who have become accustomed to a favorable supply/demand distribution and using that favorable distribution to their advantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:44 PM
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As would my wife. What is the point of being in a sexual relationship with someone with whom you don’t wish to be sexually intimate?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 03:28 AM
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Apparently you are the one viewing the relationship as a transactional one in which sex is exchanged for some other utility. Those were your words, not mine. As I said, I appreciate my relationship with my wife for its own sake, regardless of the duration of the relationship, because I appreciate her, not the future utility that I expect from a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 03:00 AM
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And you can only “get used for it” if you look at it the way in which you apparently do: as a payment made in exchange for the receipt of some other utility (aka as if you are prostituting yourself).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 01:08 AM
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I don’t view it that way, I just appreciate my wife (and always have) for each and every moment that I get to spend with her, not for what she may or may not do for me in the future. And if our relationship were to have ended (or will end) at any moment, I would have appreciated (or will appreciate) it for all the moments I had with her, rather than feeling like a victim because I didn’t receive some anticipated future utility. …and that’s because I actually love my wife, not just utility I expe…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 12:57 AM
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That’s your definition. Why do you have that definition? Answer: Because to you the value of the relationship is the extent to which it produces future outcomes which will garner expected future utility, and (sadly) not the interaction with the person with whom you are in the relationship. The relationship in your eyes is simply a tool for garnering future utility and nothing more.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 12:08 AM
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Your definition of “serious” is interesting. The idea that a woman would enter into a relationship for something other than the current enjoyment of being in the relationship and that her future plans are what determine the “seriousness” of the relationship is the main problem, and are what leave her feeling betrayed. In fact, she betrayed herself by entering into a relationship based on the expectation of receiving some other utility than the present enjoyment of the relationship and thus felt …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 11:13 PM
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…because the idea of (insert your identity group) “rights” is a red herring designed to inflame division and victim mentality, and …because we recognize that we have responsibilities to others and our societies as a whole (“it’s not all about me and what I want”), and that such responsibilities sometimes require self-sacrifice. While it is debatable for which ideas we should be fighting and dying, if men were unwilling to fight and die for certain ideas the world would be a much worse place in w…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 12:57 PM
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Red Pill Philosophy exists because men did listen to women and took them at their word. If men didn’t listen to and believe women, TRP wouldn’t exist. There would be no need for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:24 PM
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That you want something to be true, doesn’t actually make it true. Etymology works according to linguistic rules, not your particular predilections.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 02:02 AM
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But yes, many men will want (and pay for) women who want money for sex. That doesn’t change the fact that they etymological root for “whore” refers to the desire of the whore and not the desire for the whore.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:59 AM
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I’m just here to speak truth into a void of delusion. The extent to which you are thankful for that will be the same as that to which you value truth over those delusions which you find appealing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:56 AM
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While that may be how you’d like to see it, that’s not an accurate portrayal of the etymological root.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:30 AM
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Not really. Etymologically it has meant “adulteress” and “prostitute” stemming from “one who desires” not the object of the desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:26 AM
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…and to his point, she’ll come back of her own accord if it is anxiety and the interest is genuine enough to support any kind of healthy relationship. Women tend to be much more observant of men who they actually find attractive than we are of them. And if they actually find you attractive, their enthusiastic interest will likely have been set before you even notice them. In fact, they will likely be (and have been) placing themselves in your close proximity because they are enthusiastically int…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:02 AM
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I did not attempt to refute any assertion of yours while simultaneously stating that my sample was skewed. Not the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 08:34 PM
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Your argument is self contradictory. And that self contradiction is easily explained by the parties seeking divorce having an unrealistic view of their own circumstances pre and post… …which suggests advantage so extreme that delusion festers.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 08:32 PM
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…based in an anecdotal analysis in which you admit that your own data is drawn from a skewed population.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 07:51 PM
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Your take.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 07:48 PM
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Divorce statistics and the outcomes from them suggest otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 07:48 PM
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“I definitely know more 35 year olds than 20 year olds” That would explain it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 07:47 PM
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You are treating 3 significantly different things as if they are alike.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 05:35 PM
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Great example. It is always wrong to kill your own innocent children.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 05:33 PM
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In the realm of sexual relationships, men are significantly disadvantaged relative to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 05:32 PM
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We all know many 35 year olds who are less mature and settled with less life experience than 20 year olds that we know.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 05:31 PM
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Good ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 06:38 AM
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Women are “allowed” to have whatever preferences you wish. Just take responsibility for them and their effects on yourselves, men, and broader society and don’t play the victim game when you get criticized for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 04:32 AM
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The concept of a “double standard” only applies when the two things to which the standards are being applied are the same. Men and women are not the same. Also society, including men, readily admit when our preferences are shallow.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:21 PM
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The concept of the reasonable man standard exists for a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 06:37 AM
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In theory, yes. In practice, unless it was something like reconstructive after an accident it would signal a level of insecurity/superficiality that would not be compatible with an healthy LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 01:19 AM
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My wife is one of those ultra rare women that will drink when led to water. I married her, in part, because she was willing to be introspective, objectively self observant, and objectively self critical enough to mature out of pure solipsism and develop a healthy respect for prioritizing that which is true and subordinating that which she merely wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 07:58 PM
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Our observations have not been limited to a particular age cohort. If anything we find younger cohorts of women to be even more solipsistic, less likely to view their husbands/boyfriends holistically, and even more likely to use sexual intimacy as a control mechanism.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 06:07 PM
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English your second language? You don’t go out to pay $150-$200 per person for a steak dinner if you’re not hungry. Similarly if you’re hungry and walk by three other restaurants to get a burger, you were hungry and wanted a burger.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 03:10 AM
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That’s not coercion.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 02:15 AM
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Keep that same energy for women who won’t engage in sexual intimacy until certain other conditions are met.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 02:14 AM
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That the dude had to declare this just demonstrates that he was behind the 8-ball anyway and that he is so unaccustomed to being in front of it that he didn’t even realize he was behind the 8-ball. The sentiment is sound, but if you have to make that explicit you should have already cut bait and recast elsewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 02:02 AM
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☝️This idea defies basic logic to the point of being entirely nonsensical. If person A desires to engage in sexual intimacy with person B without the expectation of receiving any other utility than that gained from engaging in sexual intimacy then person A has sexual desire for person B in that moment by definition… That’s what sexual desire is, the desire to be sexually intimate with another person. If you didn’t desire to be sexually intimate with that person (ie have sexual desire for that pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 09:21 PM
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If one feels sexual desire and wishes to engage in sexual intimacy with the person “who is there,” the “person who is there’” is sexually desired by definition. What may not exist is the desire to do anything other than be sexually intimate with that person, but the “anything other” is not sexual desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 08:42 PM
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If the sexual desire is genuine, then it will not be conditional on the receipt of some other utility. If it is conditional on the receipt of some other utility then the genuine desire is for that other utility and the sexual “desire” is just being offered as a means of obtaining that other utility.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 07:53 PM
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You might wish to reread my comment for better understanding.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 07:46 PM
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That you only find 2-3% of men attractive is pretty standard among women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 04:35 PM
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Lack of imposing transactional conditions on sexual intimacy =/= being indiscriminate. Rather it means that the sexual desire is genuine instead of being a control mechanism via which other utility is garnered.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 04:33 PM
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From what my wife and I have observed from other couples over the nearly 4 decades that we have known each other, the vast majority of men in relationships do not experience genuine sexual desire from their wives and (to a lesser extent) girlfriends. The sexual desire from the wife/girlfriend is almost always conditional on the man producing some other form of utility for the woman, and thus not genuine. My wife, especially, is consistently shocked at just how many women aren’t genuinely sexuall…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 04:31 PM
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She desires to be sexually intimate with a given man with no expectation of receiving anything other than the sexual intimacy (aka desires casual NSA sexual intimacy with him) and is willing to initiate such.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 04:11 PM
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https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/4pzl0lM3HJ Noting especially that the first study quoted controlled for traits correlated to psychopathy, narcissism, and Machiavellian tendencies and found that women actually prefer psychopathy, narcissism, and Machiavellian behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 12:12 AM
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https://www.researchgate.net/publication/273809664\_The\_Dark\_Triad\_personality\_Attractiveness\_to\_women https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40806-019-00213-0 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886921005547 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S019188691500210X?via%3Dihub Noting particularly the following quote from the first study (which controlled for attractiveness factors correlated to psychopathy, narcissism, and Machiavellian tendencies):…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 12:07 AM
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People who display those traits are only charismatic to those who are attracted to those traits, those who are not attracted to those traits typically label such people as “assholes.” And all the rebellious characteristics which you have described as “bad boyness” (drug use, materialistic orientation, disregard for family, Epicurean philosophy, and disregard for society) are exactly the characteristics which makes one a less reliable and loyal producer (and which also stem from an orientation to…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 11:44 PM
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What, exactly, do you mean by “bad boy” (noting that “excites me” is not a sufficient description)? Women typically say that they wouldn’t be attracted to psychopathy, narcissism, and Machiavellian behavioral tendencies, but studies consistently prove otherwise..
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 10:05 PM
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That’s because you are conflating “bad boy” with “sexually adventurous/exciting” when the only connection between the two is that women are more likely feel sexually excited by (and have a predilection to be sexually adventurous with) a “bad boy.” Back in reality, the characteristics to which women are attracted that make up the “bad boy” persona are psychopathy, narcissism, and Machiavellian behavioral tendencies - all of which are antithetical to the state of being a reliable and loyal produce…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 09:25 PM
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I made no such claim nor any such implication. What I did say is that the state of being a “bad boy” is dichotomous with the state of being a “loyal (and reliable) producer” because those are inherently contradictory states.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 09:10 PM
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You are correct that it is difficult for minimally conscious women to find their ideal match, but it is difficult precisely because their subconscious attraction cues are, in fact, dichotomous and also rooted in raw solipsism. Being a “bad boy” precludes being a “loyal producer” and vice versa, but both are derived from the objectification of the potential mate as merely a tool for the acquisition of wants and the achievement of goals. Thus, it is incumbent on women to mature beyond the base dic…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:19 PM
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This isn’t a difficult concept: We desire women who authentically desire us (individually). The best way to know whether or not a woman authentically desires us (individually) is her willingness to be sexually intimate with us (individually). And the idea that women are either Madonnas or Whores is a fallacy women use to project their own dichotomous “bad boy vs. dedicated producer” attraction onto men. Unlike women, our attraction is not dichotomous. Real women are quite capable of desiring lot…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:12 PM
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The only way in which you can be “used for sex” is if you are engaging in sexual intimacy with the conditional expectation that you will receive some other utility in exchange for engaging in the sexual intimacy (aka prostituting yourself). The “used” feeling comes from failure to receive the thing which you Intended to use your sexual intimacy to gain. You were using yourself to get something and it didn’t work out like you planned. If you aren’t looking to use sexual intimacy transactionally (…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 09:15 PM
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Good thing we have an entire sub field of mathematics devoted to understanding exactly this issue!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 05:16 PM
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If “incompatibilities” will lead one to abeyance of a promise to spend the rest of one’s life together, it’s not much of a promise. Incompatibilities will always exist and new ones will develop along the way. The point of the promise is that one will subordinate the importance of the incompatibilities to that of the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 06:35 PM
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“We loved each other as long as we weren't sharing a home.” …which simply means that you didn’t actually love each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 06:31 PM
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…or maybe the analogy of women requiring different amounts of utility from different men for engaging in sexual intimacy. If someone is charging you for a thing, then you have to purchase it if you want it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 03:55 PM
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Most people can understand how analogies work.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 03:40 PM
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Do you frequently pay $15/dozen for the same eggs for which the person in line before you paid $3.50? If not, then you’re insecure.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 03:35 PM
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In my experience women’s libido is most definitely not lower than men’s, it’s just much more selective. If women are actively (read: actually) sexually attracted to a given man they typically have very high libidos relative to the man and if they are only passively (read: not actually) sexual attracted to a man they will tend to have much lower libidos relative to the man. The issue is that women frequently enter into relationships with men to whom they are only passively sexually attracted - in…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 01:09 PM
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And it would also seem that you misunderstand that of which slavery consists. Members of a crew who are not the captain are not slaves.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 01:39 PM
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You don’t seem to understand the dynamics of respect. They start with a realistic assessment that has nothing to do with how you may want a situation to be and everything to do with the reality of how the particular situation actually is.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 01:37 PM
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Are you talking about a supposed “right” to kill your own children?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 02:12 AM
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All time pro troll post. The comments are comedy gold.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 02:43 AM
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Do you have a copy of said contract? And to say “nope,” and subordinate her wants implies that they have been “thought about.”
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 11:49 PM
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Every time you subordinate her wants to the truth of whatever situation and the needs of the family unit in that truth you are only “breaking the contract” to the extent that “the contract” stipulates that her wants should take priority and it only “contributes to the breakdown of the relationship” to the extent that she maintains a childlike expectation that the purpose of the relationship is to service her wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 11:41 PM
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You should probably bother to read the whole of the things you link before linking themt: “but a substantially larger difference emerged for participants in early and middle adulthood (3,275 WPD; d = 0.32)but a substantially larger difference emerged for participants in early and middle adulthood (3,275 WPD; d = 0.32)” Noting that “early and middle adulthood” was defined as 25-64, which is the vast majority of the time that we are considered both men and women and that the 3,275 figure approache…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 11:36 PM
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Putting the needs of the family unit first very frequently means telling your wife “nope, we’re not doing that,” and “what you want is and will always be subordinate to that which is true and the appropriate response to that truth.” The issue in our modern society is that women conflate “the needs of the family unit” with “what I want” and the church is too emasculated to say “nope” to that conflation, aka too subject to “happy wife, happy life” thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 11:10 PM
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It has been my experience that women enjoy sexual intimacy at least as much as do men, and quite possibly (I would say probably) more. It has been both my observation and that of my wife that if a married woman is feeling put upon by unwanted sexual attention from her husband it’s never because she doesn’t want sexual intimacy. Rather, she just doesn’t want sexual intimacy with him, and (in every instance) has already selected another man (or men) with whom she does desire to be sexually intimat…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:46 PM
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Having grown up black in the South right after desegregation (and being among the first black people to attend the schools to which I went), my experience with the “N-word” is that 99.99% of the time that I have heard it the word was being used by someone who most definitely didn’t hate black people. At the outset, my parents taught me the old (and wise) nursery rhyme: Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:38 AM
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That a community uses a word is not evidence of systematic “hate,” despite your lame oblique attempt to socially shame said community.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 05:40 PM
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“Guy” (which was originally a term used to describe figures which were burned in effigy en masse in an actual display of hatred towards Guy Fawkes) The “blatant misogyny” you see is just your mind’s desire to present yourself as a victim.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 03:00 PM
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One historical source could be the letters between John and Abagail Adams for most of the Revolutionary War period. There are many others. Once you rid yourself of the desperate need to be seen as a victim, life becomes much more beautiful.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 02:56 PM
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It very well could and most certainly has historically. …because, again, volume =/= density.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 10:04 AM
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A portmanteau =/= an etymology. And the absence of flattery also =/= hate.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 10:01 AM
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Volume of interaction =/= depth of interaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 07:32 AM
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…along which runs the depth of the bond in inverse proportion.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:39 AM
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On average women speak about 20% more words a day than do men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:25 AM
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…or maybe like male bonding isn’t Kabuki theatre performative.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:20 AM
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Foid is a portmanteau of “female humanoid.”
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 05:30 AM
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Feel free to explain how the term “female humanoid” is any more “hateful” than the term “male humanoid.”
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 05:23 AM
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Criticism =/= hate.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 02:35 AM
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If you base the stat off of all men (instead of just men with families) it would be a little over 13 per day.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 04:17 AM
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For an accurate perspective: In the US roughly 1.2 women die in any given day from pregnancy and childbirth complications. In that same day… …roughly 4 men will die in the act of using their bodies to produce sustenance and shelter for their children, and …women will kill at least 2,602 of their unborn children.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 07:38 PM
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Adam didn’t eat from the tree. Eve fed him the fruit from her hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:24 PM
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Again, the only reason for the existence of either sex is sexual reproduction. That which men like about women is all related to sexual reproduction (as that’s the only reason that women exist). Just as that which women like about men is all related to sexual reproduction (as that’s the only reason men exist). This is not a difficult concept to understand. You just have to let go of the need to present yourself as a victim.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:45 PM
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As are men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:42 PM
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As the only reason that the sexes exist in the first place is sexual reproduction, the only reason that paired intersexual relationships exist can only be sexual reproduction. Certainly we delude ourselves with alternative notions and fantasies, but those have no basis in the hard reality of the matter which is that the only reason for the existence of the sexes and intersexual pairing is sexual reproduction. Were it not for sexual reproduction neither would exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:05 PM
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Humans are inherently “bad.” But we can learn to moderate and eventually diminish that inherent tendency if we are introspective, objectively self observant, and objectively self critical while prioritizing that which is true over that which we want. The issue with women in Western culture is that we have allowed feminism to construct an almost entirely demasculated society which discourages women (primarily) and everyone else (secondarily) from the requisite introspection, objective self observ…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 03:05 PM
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The entire reason either sex exists is for sexual reproduction. This is true for every sexually reproducing species of life on the planet.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:36 PM
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Porn is not good for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:32 PM
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In which case it is still being presented as if .05% of the time the species has spent in your broader definition of “modernity” is somehow discontinuous from and more impactful than the previous 99.94% of species behavioral development.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:30 PM
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Thanks for being honest, introspective, and objectively self observant!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 03:36 PM
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Asked as if the .02% of the time the species has spent in “modernity” is somehow discontinuous from the 250,000 years over which the behavior the species was formed. 🤦‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 03:29 PM
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💯% women. As I wrote above, the female sexual choice shapes the physical and behavioral patterns males of every sexually reproducing animal species on the planet. That’s just how nature works.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 03:05 PM
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We don’t in and of ourselves because we all feel the pain and frustration of having to completely suppress our emotions and wouldn’t wish that on anyone. But we also that know we have to “man up” if we ever want to be able to attract women. And we raise each other (and straight tell each other what it takes) to attract women from the time that we start noticing girls. Attracting females is the single most impactful drive of males in every sexually reproducing animal species on the planet, and Ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 11:27 PM
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Nope. It directly stems from women’s reactions to our display of any weakness (and women view genuine male emotional display as weakness). We learn pretty quickly that “emotionally available” to women means “react to my emotions in the way that most pleases me in the moment” and does not mean “share your genuine emotions with me.”
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 06:28 PM
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On all my dates with the woman who became my wife we talked about a great many things ranging from our reactions to Simone de Beauvoir’s The Second Sex to her parents’ likely reaction to dating me. But at no point were we ever “interviewing” each other for “compatibility” or doing anything like that. Neither of us were shopping for a relationship, we were simply enjoying each other’s company and the interaction which came with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:13 AM
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If the woman in question has an interview mindset towards dating, she’s not going to be compatible with an healthy LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 11:24 PM
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I have already done more volunteer work helping families of young children who have been trafficked in the world’s largest child trafficking ring (the US CPS system) than you will likely ever do in your life. And by the way, women do most of the child trafficking in the US via this CPS child trafficking system.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 02:27 PM
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In your reach have also ignored my definition of the variety of expressions of power (focusing only financial).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 12:04 PM
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You conflate power with “over dominating” out of nothing but bias and emotion. You also presume that plain homebody women don’t also want powerful men based only on the errant logic that power brings instability when (as you even admit) the opposite is broadly true, despite odd exceptions. You’re reaching.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 05:42 AM
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Just because a journalist makes an assertion in an article does not make the assertion sound. Professional experience doesn’t obviate bias. Rather, it frequently enhances it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 02:10 AM
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Appeal to authority logical fallacy. The article in your link ignores the significant issue of reporting bias. I would suggest that abuse (physical and emotional) is the main driver of lasting emotional harm from relationships in both men and women, and women are at least equally as abusive as men, and probably significantly more so than men given well known reporting biases in this area. Add to that reporting bias that girls’ intentional use and manipulation of boys’ affection and attention wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 10:09 PM
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Life as a human male.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 08:25 PM
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I would guess only slightly less common than for female relationship partners to misbehave so as to cause lasting emotional harm.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 05:09 PM
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Those men aren’t really competing for “the top women” because (due to women’s hyperselectivity and high selection overlap) there are substantially more “top women” than there are “top men.” Thus the existence of hard and soft harems and the principle that in every healthy LTR the woman knows that she is more easily replaced by her husband/boyfriend than he is by her. Men primarily seek health and fertility (as represented by beauty) with agreeableness/peacefulness being very important secondary …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 04:25 PM
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> like attracts like Hard science disagrees, that’s a “soft science” principle. But even the soft science clearly demonstrates women’s preference for DT traits. While it’s true that the link is correlative not causal, the correlating agent is actually power. Women are attracted to power - expressed physically, socially, financially, intellectually, and even spiritually. Different women are attracted to different combinations of those expressions, but at base it’s about power. The issue is that m…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 03:00 PM
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Both sound controlled studies and observation demonstrate that women are attracted to psychopathy, narcissism, and Machiavellian behavioral characteristics. Those are commonly known as “asshole” characteristics.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 03:58 AM
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The only men who get to pick are the very few who have multiple women offering themselves simultaneously and those men aren’t desperate. Aside from those rare cases women do all the picking.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 12:31 AM
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The data says otherwise. The data says that we rank according to a standard normal distribution and have a much broader range of what we find attractive. You are projecting your own thought process onto us. We don’t think like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 12:20 AM
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You are erroneously projecting how women think and rate attractiveness on to men. Men rate women’s attractiveness according to a standard normal distribution.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 12:13 AM
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Women’s hyperselectivity when combined with significant overlap in what they find attractive creates a market condition in which they actually do have substantial competition and consequently the men that they want can be quite selective. We men express this dynamic with a simple saying that reflects our experience of it: “When it rains, it pours.” If you are a man whom women generally find attractive, you can be even more selective than they because you probably have a broader range of women th…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 11:41 PM
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No, but women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:28 PM
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Men are the sexually selected.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 04:54 AM
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I never said anything about exact points, but yes humans tend to have significantly more sexual interaction when we are in the early stages of our sexual maturity than when we are older. So, to your point, unless all those men you suggest were “wiped out” were “wiped out” before the precise moment that they matured sexually, your “wiped out” theory is unlikely to explain the significant difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 10:46 PM
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Not if those men were of age to sexually reproduce before you “wiped them out.” If they were, then the fact that they didn’t reproduce is less a factor of the “wiping out” than that they weren’t chosen by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 09:20 PM
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This is very simple math. If the population of all males is rank ordered from 1 to 10, the average is 5. If you the population of males with whom you party is rank ordered from 6-10, the average is 7.5. The average of the males with whom you party is not the average of males.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 07:47 PM
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If you “wipe them out” **after** they have reached the age of sexual reproduction, then the fact that they were wiped out was not what prevented them from sexually reproducing.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 07:43 PM
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See how you said “average around them?” That’s not the actual average because of the “around them” part. Rather, it’s the average of a set that’s already excluded a significant portion of the lower end. Just like I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 07:09 PM
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Again, happening **after** young men go through puberty and thus not a significant factor in the differential.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 07:08 PM
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The men who you went to college parties with were already selected from a higher than average set simply because they were attending college. Thanks for making my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 07:03 PM
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As you pointed out, by the time men are able to reproduce sexually, the numbers are equal, thus men dying early is not likely the cause of that dramatic difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 07:01 PM
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Most of the excess male death to which you refer happens after men reach the age of being able to reproduce, thus it cannot be the cause of that disparity.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:59 PM
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Your response has nothing to do with my comment. Again, I seriously doubt that the average of the men you see in any highly trafficked public area (aka a proxy for the actual “average man”) were your party cronies. When women typically refer to the “average man,” they are referring to the average of the men that they notice and accord the status of human. Thus, they are taking an average of the top 25%-35% at most and calling that “the average.” The fact that women’s attractiveness ratings of me…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:56 PM
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Throughout human history we estimate that less than 40% of men reproduced whereas 80% of women did.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:36 PM
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Go to a Walmart or Target on a random day. Observe every male within 5 years of your age. The average of those men were your “party” cronies? Seriously doubt it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:35 PM
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Outside of your fantasy land, women didn’t do much hunting or distance (heavy resource) gathering. We see clear evidence of this in both my aforementioned physical and behavioral sexual dimorphism and your aforementioned studies of relatively current pre-industrial people groups. Also, you are misusing the term “provide.” What you really mean is “produce.” Yes, all able bodied humans had to produce, but men and women tended to do so in different ways, and the women’s methods of production tended…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:35 PM
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Homo sapiens is 250,000 years old. Farming is 10,000 years old. The division of labor is why men and women are so sexually dimorphic. And clearly you haven’t done much traveling in Africa.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:03 PM
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This is not true. It’s about how you focus. Men who have an intense focus on making themselves attractive to women in the right way tend to become attractive to a lot of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:01 PM
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See how you are qualifying the sexual intimacy versus having access to any at all? That’s the difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 03:59 PM
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Occasionally, but nowhere near the extent to which women were. The men’s work typically involved the “away from the home part,” starting with the hunting/herding and distant resource gathering/trading and ranging through the raiding/fighting to the specialized labor on behalf of a capitalized enterprise.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 03:54 PM
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SAHM is traditional and not a myth. SAHM does not mean “doesn’t work.” Rather it means (and meant) that the work was based out of and around the home and almost always involved the children in some way as well, family business style.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 03:40 PM
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Yes, because that’s how logic works. The population you sampled is the men that women (and really just you) choose. That’s the only population about which you can draw inferences using your sample as evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 08:31 PM
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Precisely because (according to you) it is prevalent among the men that women are choosing.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 08:18 PM
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…which says a lot about typical female choice patterns.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 08:06 PM
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Says a lot about your choice patterns.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 08:04 PM
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We don’t think it’s because you couldn’t get “another” man, we know it’s because you couldn’t get a better man.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 08:05 PM
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I made no assertion concerning “how my son turned out.”
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 05:39 PM
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Women are not attracted to confidence, they’re attracted to power and confidence signals power.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 05:25 PM
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Proper perspective is important.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 08:22 PM
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Because feminism taught women to hate themselves and want to be men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 06:30 PM
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Most of what “high value men” and most women do is of little actual merit when it comes to the core functions which undergird our basic standard of living. When it comes down to it, investment banking and HR don’t actually contribute much to the type of total economic output which positively determines anyone’s condition of living. OTOH, plumbers, electricians, farmers, mechanical engineers, truck drivers, and even road maintenance crews do.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 06:28 PM
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…and neither does yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 06:22 PM
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I made no mention of “the end of the world.” You would do well to read and respond to what is actually asserted rather than attempting to construct straw men at which to weakly punch with lame attempts at social shaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 06:02 PM
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Birth control has actually only served to accelerate the unsustainability of the welfare state system on which women rely.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 04:35 PM
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Women need men more, but in a different way. The imbalance is created by a society which has been structured to take from men and redistribute to women via the coercive force of government.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 04:14 PM
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It’s only awkward when there is an expectation attached to the gifts and/or the gifts are given as a means of covert manipulation, control, or bribery. You have to ask yourself: “Why do I love giving gifts?” and be ruthlessly honest with your answer. Do you like it because it creates a subtle debt? Because you expect it to curry favor? Because you think it makes people like you more? Would you feel some kind of way if the recipients don’t appreciate the gifts in the way that you want them to? Al…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 03:14 PM
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You might wish to reread what I wrote above.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 02:27 PM
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I have a son amongst my many children and I have watched how damaging the feminist emasculation of our society has been for his generation of young men. I am here to shout some truth into the whirlwind of lies for the benefit of younger men who may have ears to hear, grab onto it, and pull themselves from destruction.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 02:08 PM
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…or maybe just the reality that the welfare state on which women depend is unsustainable and when it goes away both men who have been emasculated by a feminist society and the women who feed from it are going to have a tough time in a more meritocratic system.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 01:13 PM
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I have been married for possibly longer than you’ve been alive, have several children, and my eldest daughter just got engaged. Your lame attempt at social shaming doesn’t apply here.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 01:09 PM
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We need men to be loud and obnoxious and whiny like feminists are. Wrong. We don’t need to behave like women and obnoxiously complain. We need to behave like men and act, paying no regard to what the women are saying, being obnoxious about, or whining about. And when the time becomes desperate enough (which it will in the economic collapse), the men who are prepared will act and those who are not will likely die. The smart women will follow those who men who are prepared, and they will do so wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 02:59 AM
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The beauty industry’s $698 billion in revenue suggests otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 04:08 PM
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If you want to see the results of a matriarchal culture in which women are generally not submissive to men, you needn’t look any farther than the black American community. I am of the 1st generation in the black American community in which the patriarchy (male headship of the family) had been largely upended, though the seeds of that upending started in my parents’ generation. I have had a front row seat for the movie of how matriarchy creates utter cultural chaos and horrendous outcomes for gen…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 03:38 PM
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It is our experience that this phenomenon is both continuous and perpetual.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 02:22 AM
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You contradict yourself. That “women can be more practical than men when it comes to love” is the substance of objectification.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 02:17 AM
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The more a woman likes a man’s personality the more she is going to Love every part of him. The less she likes his personality the more she will be disgusted by him - that’s why “hot” guys can become extremely ugly to women if they dislike their personality. If I disliked a guys personality his dick would become disgusting to even think about especially if he was physically unattractive to begin with. The male experience of women is the opposite of this. The more sexually attractive we are to wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 02:11 AM
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Doesn’t bother me. It’s their own loss, not mine. I’m just here to speak truth into the void.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 11:20 PM
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Yet it still (fallaciously) rests on the principle of sameness.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 10:40 PM
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Men and women are not the same, thus arguments based on the principle of sameness are fallacious.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 07:07 PM
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See below for a particular example. Women asking for rough or particularly aggressive forms of sexual intimacy (which is more frequently something that they desire and request than it is something that men want to do) is often psychologically deleterious for us. Most of us find it weird, uncomfortable, and somewhat emotionally scarring, but the pressure of women’s expectations connected to such types of intimacy and their enjoyment of it can be intense. Generally we don’t really like to be in th…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 05:39 PM
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Exactly. It has been my experience that a significantly larger percentage of women like having that type of stuff done to them than men like doing it. Yet, somehow, it gets framed as a male desire. I feel the same goes for anal sex as well, though I do know some men that are into that, so I would guess that’s probably closer to a 50/50 request rather than a majority women request.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 10:22 PM
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One example is “rough” and “particularly aggressive” “play.” Many men are really not into doing that type of stuff to women, but we get asked to do it far more than makes many of us comfortable.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 09:39 PM
9

Because it will give her pleasure, and good sexual intimacy is as much about giving as receiving?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 07:06 PM
18

For the same reason that women often ask their sex partners to do acts that their partners may not particularly enjoy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 06:52 PM
6

No apology necessary. Those were things that happened in my life, whether or not to be a victim of the things that happened in my life is up to me and totally within my control. There is a difference between adulthood and childhood for developmental reasons and those reasons are related to one’s ability to have and accept the responsibility of agency in one’s life.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 04:47 AM
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As a child, no. As an adult, yes. Source: victim of abuse as a child who also grew up watching his father be abused by his mother
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 02:42 AM
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The kind of man most sexually wanted by women has psychopathic, narcissistic, and Machiavellian behavior patterns.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 02:05 AM
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They are more successful than men who approach women, and would be even more successful if the bulk of their approaches weren’t flinging themselves at men who are already happily partnered or didn’t already have a plethora of other options. Women have no idea how much their attraction to men overlaps, and thus how much competition they have for the men to whom they are actually attracted. Generally speaking, if you find a man attractive enough to approach, he is probably getting approached by ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 05:33 PM
-1

Women are sexually attracted to power (expressed in some combination of physically, socially, financially, intellectually, and spiritually) and power tends to accrue as we age - in fact only the physical aspect of our power decreases from the mid 20s. The rest tend to increase until the early to mid 50s.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 09:00 PM
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From women’s sexual choice-making.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:51 PM
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Yes. Grew up in a married 2 parent home, as did the significant majority of my peers. My parents divorced after my siblings and I graduated college, much to our relief because our mother was abusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:32 AM
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Women enjoy sex with men. Men die in the act of using their bodies to produce sustenance and shelter for their children (and wives) more than 3x as frequently than do women in the US, inclusive of women’s death from complications with pregnancy and childbirth. Women are net consumers over their lifetimes and men are net producers, women currently rely on government enforced redistribution of productivity from men to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:31 PM
-2

Economics will do it for us. The current DEI infused welfare state system is unsustainable with low birth rates and women will suffer the most when it collapses.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:50 AM
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It appears that you might have forgotten (or skipped altogether) the biology of sexual reproduction. A gamete =/= a zygote, embryo, or fetus.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 02:16 PM
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It makes no sense only to those unable to think abstractly across the time dimension. No matter what her current state of development, the largest risk to life and limb she will have faced will have been from her own mother. The risk from every other person she will ever meet is vanishingly small by comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 02:14 PM
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Men are legally required to use our bodies to produce sustenance and shelter for our children until our children reach the age of majority, and if we do not we can be punished with fines, wage garnishment, and imprisonment. Additionally, more than 3x as many men die in the act of using their bodies to produce sustenance and shelter for their children than do women (including deaths resulting from complications of pregnancy and childbirth). Yet we still are not so psychopathically selfish and cru…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 03:00 PM
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So since you are not paying for me to eat, you are slowly killing me, and that’s equivalent to me actively killing and dismembering you?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 05:42 AM
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You see no substantial difference between refusing to pay for someone and killing them?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 04:03 AM
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Every adult woman’s largest risk of being killed (or even seriously harmed) by another person was from her own mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 03:55 AM
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If she’s thinking rationally, the largest risk of grievous harm that she will have faced in her entire life was from her own mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 03:54 AM
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Note, I said abstract thought (as in statistically evaluating the totality of their risk profile and applying it across the time dimension). Apparently not in at least one case.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 03:26 AM
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Your logic presumes that women are incapable of abstract thought and analysis, or at the very least not prone to rational consideration.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 03:11 AM
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That women who would argue for a right to kill their own children wish to diminish the brutality of doing so by denying those same children the status of being living humans, does not obviate the fact that those children are, in fact, living humans. Nor does it obviate the fact that the biggest threat to living humans in the modern US is being killed by their own mothers, regardless of how much many women might wish to ignore that fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 03:08 AM
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According to a combination of data from the CDC and the Guttmacher Institute women kill roughly 450,000 of their own daughters every year. Heart disease kills roughly 300,000 women a year.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:57 AM
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Women kill roughly 450,000 of their own daughters a year in the US by relatively conservative estimates. Men kill roughly 1,850 girls and women a year in the US. All according to data from a combination of the FBI, the CDC, and the Guttmacher Institute. And given that the post to which I responded rooted a disfavorable view in victimization, it is pertinent to understand the true metrics of female victimization.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:49 AM
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A combination of the CDC, the Guttmacher Institute, and the FBI. And yes, we are largely focused on the wrong issues when it comes to the killing of humans and birth rates in the US, though thanks to this SCOTUS some states are beginning to adopt a more logical and just approach to the protection of human life.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:45 AM
-1

Yes, but the leading cause of female human death is mothers killing their own daughters, and US women kill their own daughters roughy 50% more frequently than US women die from heart disease.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:37 AM
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The leading cause of female human death in the US is women killing their own daughters. They do so roughly 24,354% more frequently than boys or men kill girls or women.. Given your logic, women should fear their own mothers substantially more than they do men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 01:09 AM
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Apparently, statistics is not your strong suit. Your assertion presumes that men and women have the same attraction triggers. We don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 04:53 PM
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If you want to see what a matriarchal culture leads to, just look at the current state of black American culture. I have watched matriarchy absolutely devastate our culture over the 4 generations from that of my grandparents to that of my children. And let’s not forget that women not only unashamedly argue for a supposed “right” to kill their own children, but they actually do so frequently enough that it’s the leading cause of human death in the US by a substantial margin. No way a matriarchal …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 05:10 AM
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Be powerful.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 04:59 AM
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…because women choose assholes. It’s for their own good. You set the terms on who gets to reproduce. If we don’t pay attention to those terms and mold ourselves to them, we don’t get to reproduce. Sometimes that molding of ourselves to your terms so that we can reproduce requires cooperative effort, especially when those terms are distasteful.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 11:19 PM
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That math assumes a uniform distribution of the population differential across age, which is definitely not the case. Men die more frequently, thus though at birth the ration is 105 males for every 100 females, by the middle of reproductive years, the population is 50/50.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:52 PM
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Seems as if you may not understand that of which sexual selection consists. In Homo sapiens sapiens (aside from rape) the females determine which males are able to reproduce. Historically roughly 80% of human females reproduce while only roughly 40% of human males do.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 02:54 PM
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When men are the sexual selectors it’s called rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 02:02 PM
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Women are and have always been the sexual selectors of our species, as are the females in most sexually reproducing animal species in which rape is uncommon.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 02:00 PM
1

Women are the sexual selectors of the species. Men are the selected.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 01:53 PM
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Nope. I’m old, I was an athlete in my youth, and a bond trader in my adulthood. I’ve had occasion to hang out with many men in “locker room” style environments, and I have yet to meet a single one who would ever ditch (or even seriously complain about) a woman because he didn’t like the way she performed oral sexual intimacy with him in preference for a different method, as long as she was trying. A man with that attitude would be soundly ridiculed by his peers at best and shunned or beaten at w…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 03:04 PM
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Appreciate her effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 02:52 PM
0

What about when what you say you want is different from that which you actually want?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 02:24 PM
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You successfully put men in “no win” situations. That’s not going to end well for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 02:15 PM
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We will 100% “listen” to your actions. Those speak loudly.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 02:03 PM
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Nope. They absolutely do for everyday life as well. Remove all men and the entire society would completely collapse within 72 hours. Remove women and it would take a little longer but not much past a month max.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 09:17 PM
1

Of course they do, but they still need each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 09:03 PM
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The species is comprised of individuals.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 05:44 PM
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The species is comprised of individuals and its survival depends on codependent pairs of those individuals.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 05:00 PM
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We need each other, the survival of the species quite literally relies on our co-dependent relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 04:56 PM
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No, I agree that most men do not experience constant sexual attention and therefore have no idea what it’s like, but even those of us that do aren’t particularly bothered by it. So, generally men aren’t bothered by it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 02:39 PM
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While most men do not experience constant sexual attention because women tend to concentrate their sexual attention on a very small group of men, some of us do and we still don’t complain about it or disdain it. It tends to annoy our wives and girlfriends more than it does us.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 02:54 PM
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I have never called elective abortion murder, because it isn’t currently legally defined as such and murder is a legal fiction. Elective abortion very much is, however, the killing of one’s own child.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 11:30 PM
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The key word there is “belittling.” Women tend to view honest critique as “belittling” and demonstrative of “hatred” whenever it conflicts with their own self image, which is almost always. Women who are introspective, objectively self observant, and objectively self critical are the ones who get labeled as “pick-mes” because introspection, honest self observation, and honest self critique are anathema to women in general. A similar dynamic happens in the black community because it is so matriar…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 08:29 PM
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Like every other sexually reproducing animal species on the planet, Homo sapiens sapiens demonstrates significant sexual dimorphism of both physical structure and behavior as well as significant intrasexual commonality of both physiological structure and behavior. That distributions of individual differences exist does not obviate the substantial intrasexual commonalities, the (typically) standard normal distributions of those individual differences, and the statistically significant intersexual…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 04:18 PM
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Men and women are not the same. Your line of thinking presumes that they are. Women always have parental certainty, men never do. Thus, “sleeping around” has significantly different consequences for both parties. Also, as women are the sexual selectors and men the sexually selected, “sleeping around” communicates significantly different things about the value of the individuals engaging in such behavior - for a woman it demonstrates that she isn’t very selective, and for a man it demonstrates th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 03:34 PM
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And RP philosophy (and most men) would agree that it is in men’s nature to take whatever sexual opportunity we are given. We are the sexual selected of the species and women are the sexual selectors. RP philosophy would also agree that if men seek to be in a committed LTR not restraining that nature is a sign of lack of discipline. This is the thing about RP philosophy, it’s masculine. It’s designed to recognize and prioritize what is actually true and then deal with it rather than deny what is …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 03:14 PM
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And like today, women were likely at least as abusive of their husbands and children as men, probably more so. Both my wife’s (paternal) and my (maternal) grandmothers were horribly abusive to our grandfathers, and both of our fathers have suffered abuse from their wives.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 03:04 PM
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I don’t believe they were. But even if they were, that’s no reason to ignore the truth about women’s nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 02:58 PM
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Observing women’s behaviors and trying to predict them. Red Pill philosophy works a lot better as a framework for accurately predicting women’s behaviors and thus for having more mutually satisfying interactions with women than the feminist framework (of lies) in which many of us were raised. In reality Red Pill philosophy is just the generational wisdom that men traditionally passed down about women’s nature, but that chain of learning was disrupted by feminism. If you were born in the brief pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 06:47 AM
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That you feel the need to obscure the act of killing one’s own child by calling it “a medical procedure” only demonstrates that you also recognize the inherent violent depravity of the act. Similar to the use of the terms “our peculiar institution,” “person held to service or labor,” “ethnic cleansing,” and “final solution to the Jewish question,” the employment of such euphemism to hide the ugliness reveals knowledge of the ugliness.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 01:28 AM
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Correct, it is absolutely about women choosing to kill their own children because they find the duty of care for them inconvenient. That’s a winner on the depravity scale. It is, in fact, so depraved that you choose to employ euphemisms in order to obscure the true depravity of the act.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 11:11 PM
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No men in the US have the “autonomy” to not use our bodies to produce sustenance and shelter for our offspring without being legally punished. And we certainly don’t have the “autonomy” to kill our own children simply because we wish to shirk the natural duty of a parent to use his or her body to provide sustenance and shelter for our offspring.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 11:09 PM
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Women will say whatever makes them feel best about themselves in any given moment or whatever they think will make you feel best about them subsequent to the first condition. None of it has any bearing on reality. And to my point, women’s perception of negging is entirely variable based on the attractiveness of the man doing it and has nothing to do with reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 06:31 PM
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“Creepy” and “manipulative” to women is defined by the man’s level of attractiveness, not the behavior. Attractive man approaches = complimentary. Unattractive man approaches = creepy. Attractive man negs = flirty. Unattractive man negs = attempt at manipulation.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 04:16 PM
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Women are so accustomed to sexual attention that they take it for granted and disdain it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 02:11 PM
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I never used the word murder. Murder is a legal fiction. It is very much scientific fact that the zygotes, embryos, and fetuses resulting from the sexual reproduction of a human male and female are 1) living, 2) members of the genus Homo (aka humans), and 3 the offspring of their parents (aka children). It is also very much a scientific fact that the act of elective abortion is the act of killing said living human children.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 11:48 PM
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I’m not appealing to emotion. Just stating facts. That you are unmoved by those facts is unsurprising, and only speaks to my original point. As I have repeatedly stated, women in our culture are so psychopathically selfish and cruel (aka anti-social) that they unashamedly argue for a supposed “right” to kill their own children. That you do so as well only bolsters the accuracy of that statement and adds to the proper perspective through which readers can assess women’s spurious assertions about …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 11:36 PM
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That the leading cause of human death in the US is women killing their own children is not an opinion. It is a fact. And it is a fact which brings sound, accurate, and proper perspective to every conversation involving sex and anti-social behaviors (including violence and/or any form of disregard for others). That you wish to ignore the prevalence and extreme extent of women’s anti-social behaviors does not invalidate them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 11:17 PM
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…and this year women in the US will kill at least 1,000,000 of their own children, merely because they find the burden of care for them inconvenient. You don’t want to get into a depravity measuring contest, modern women have that on lock.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 10:48 PM
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Hard to think of more extreme examples of depravity than killing one’s own children, and women killing their own children is the leading cause of human death in the US, by far.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 10:45 PM
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That you choose to ignore the relevance of my response to the OP does not obviate that relevance. Rather, it merely highlights women’s reliance on making arguments without reference to meaningful perspective because proper perspective often demonstrates the foolishness of their arguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 10:41 PM
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Is this about women choosing what to do with the organism siphoning inside of her body that she alone is gestating? That construction is a naked attempt to elicit sympathy for the decision to kill one’s own child.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 09:46 PM
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Yet women die from doing so less than 1/3rd as frequently as do men and still claim a supposed “right” to kill their own children because they wish to duck the universally acknowledged responsibility of parents to do so. That’s about as anti-social as one can get, yet you are still expecting sympathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 08:57 PM
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☝️Expecting sympathy for the act of killing their own children The “organism siphoning inside of her body” is her child, and humane societies recognize that parents have a duty to produce sustenance and shelter for their children. In fact, men in our society are legally required to use their bodies to produce sustenance and shelter for their children until they teach the age of majority, and more than 3x as many men die in the act of using their bodies to produce sustenance and shelter for their…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 08:44 PM
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There is little more anti-social than killing one’s own children and then arguing for a supposed “right” to do so, yet each year in the US women kill their own children at least 4,600% more frequently than men kill anyone but themselves in suicide, and vehemently argue for a supposed “right” to do so. Yet women still expect sympathy, even for the act of killing their own children.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 08:15 PM
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In the vast majority of cases the children women produce are substantially more beneficial to society than the economic goods and services produced by women. Also note that the period that we have not been “cavemen” is less than 5% of the history of the species. We’re a lot closer to “caveman” than you realize.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 08:06 PM
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False. Psychopathy, narcissism, and Machiavellian behaviors are very anti-social traits which usually result in “nobody’s wanting to be around them,” yet women are attracted to just those traits. OTOH, agreeableness, being conciliatory, and generally nice are very social traits which usually result in “everyone wanting to be around them,” yet women view those as “doormat,” “creepy,” or “manipulate,” behaviors and are repulsed by them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 07:42 PM
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Your (convoluted and somewhat nonsensical) assertion presumes that people are only attracted to people who are like themselves in personality. I am unaware of any empirical evidence supporting that assertion. Nor am I aware of a sound rational argument supporting that presumption.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 03:00 AM
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That’s not what the empirical evidence shows. Rather, it shows that men are attracted to niceness and agreeableness in women. But the issue for men is that we aren’t the sexual selectors of the species. We are the selected.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 02:53 AM
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Women are attracted to narcissistic, psychopathic, and Machiavellian behaviors. What do you expect?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 02:39 AM
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Yep, and in doing so explains what is valuable.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 04:29 PM
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Women are not sexually attracted to agreeable men. Women are sexually attracted to men who display narcissism, psychopathy, and narcissism.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 04:27 PM
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According to biology. You can believe whatever you want, but in the real world women’s most valuable contribution to the species is having children.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 04:20 PM
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There is a vast difference. For example, though my wife and I are the same age, I am still capable of producing children and she is not. But that is not even really relevant to the argument because as I said, women’s most valuable contribution to the species is their fertility and men’s is our utility (two different things).
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 03:52 PM
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Technically no but it changes the shape of the distribution dramatically, and the distribution is what actually counts.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 03:38 PM
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Did you just back track and agree with me about the social circle? If you define “social circle” to include people you’ve never met but have been in places in which you have been, then yes. Did you know there are men who can wait until you know each other a bit before being intimate with someone? Yes, but that doesn’t mean they don’t want sex and didn’t from the very beginning, before even actually meeting you. The reason they are “waiting” is because they have to or because they think you might…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 03:35 PM
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The older boys in their school are still just slightly older. …because of school age cohorting.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 05:28 AM
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They mainly select men in their age cohort because school cohorts by age… You probably want to reread my post. And even in 1st world countries women prefer the most powerful men to which they have access.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 04:02 AM
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They mainly select men in their age cohort because school cohorts by age, but even with school cohorting they still tend to select the older boys and men in their cohort because the older boys and men in their cohort tend to be the more powerful boys and men in their cohort. And women are primarily attracted to power.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 03:15 AM
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Physical utility is pretty low on the scale of utility (which is why physical labor isn’t particularly highly compensated).
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 03:12 AM
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Women certainly DO approach the men they are interested in, this almost always happens with social circles. While this may be true for you, this has not been my experience, nor would I believe it to be the experience of most men who are regularly approached. Women approach out of the blue (from our perspective) at least as frequently as they do from within our social circles, probably more. That said, if you count “social circle” as any woman who has potentially heard of your existence or seen y…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 03:10 AM
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The number one thing women care about when it comes to selecting a man is how old he is. Empirical evidence suggests otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 02:53 AM
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It’s not up to us, it’s down to biology. Women’s most valuable contribution to the species is their fertility, men’s is our utility. Both peak at different ages.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 02:50 AM
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Yet if 70% of black children are born out of wedlock and raised without fathers in the home, it is neither racist nor sexist to say that the black community has a serious problem with fatherless homes and a matriarchal culture which is causing substantial harm to our community and the nation as a whole. And while I say this as a black man with several children raised in an intact family structure, it would be neither racist nor sexist if anyone else said it too. Rather, like OP’s post, it would …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 04:25 PM
1

And yet, women are still the majority beneficiaries.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 02:31 PM
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I know they do, but women are the majority recipients.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 02:23 PM
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Nope. Welfare includes much more than just AFDC (or whatever the current acronym is). The two largest welfare programs in the US are Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid, both of which are at least an order of magnitude larger than AFDC and women are the significant majority beneficiaries of those as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 02:19 PM
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So you are unfamiliar with how simple math allows for estimation using extrapolation and/or interpolation across data sets as well I take it. Just because you don’t like a fact (presumably because it doesn’t align with your preferred narrative) does not invalidate the fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 04:16 AM
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Nope. Apparently you are as unfamiliar with the principles of logic as you seem to be with the data. If I had included all working men, that multiple would be in the neighborhood of 250% larger than it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 04:09 AM
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Your point didn’t require a rebuttal as it was not a logically sound refutation.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 03:12 AM
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Yes, women are the significant majority of beneficiaries in the Western welfare state economic system. And women net consume more than they produce. That you dislike those facts does not obviate those facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 03:11 AM
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Yet every year in the US more than 3x as many men die in the act of producing sustenance and shelter for their children (and wives) than do women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 03:08 AM
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I’ve been married for over three decades and have several children.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 11:21 PM
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Yes, your argument could absolutely be described that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 10:13 PM
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Because men understand that “compatibility” is mutable, flexible, and ultimately subordinate to one’s will and maturity, not some monolithic edifice of division. Women, OTOH use the term as vague euphemism for “does what I want whenever I want” - which actually isn’t even attractive to them
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 10:01 PM
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Every year in the US more than 3x as many men die in the act of producing sustenance and shelter for their offspring (and wives) as do women, inclusive of death from complications related to pregnancy and childbirth. If you count debilitating injury that multiple gets even larger.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 09:44 PM
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It’s because we men tend to be more familiar and comfortable with math and the prioritization of that which is true over that which makes us feel a certain way. The modern Western welfare state economies on which women absolutely rely for their current quality of life are unsustainable with women’s current attitude towards their essential biological function. And the math suggests that the collective “head in sand” posture taken by women generally is going to end very badly for modern Western we…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 08:38 PM
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Bucketing and probabilistic analysis based on it is not about determining certainty of outcome, it’s about estimating probabilistic outcomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 08:20 PM
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It has been my experience that women actually enjoy sexual intimacy too and don’t need to receive some other utility in order to be able to enjoy it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 07:03 PM
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For anything. If you need love, you want it more than if you don’t. If you need air to breathe, you want it more than if you don’t. If you are walking 30 miles in the desert on a 100 degree day, you’ll want water more than if you’re sitting on your couch watching Netflix.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 05:02 AM
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By definition it is the men who appeal to a broader array of women more consistently, thus the nonsensical nature of the OP. What makes it rare is that women have a very high overlap in what they tend to find sexually attractive and tend to rate men’s attractiveness in accordance with an inverse Poisson distribution as opposed to a standard normal distribution. And the reason they do that is that women find power sexually attractive at base and the way in which they perceive power is almost excl…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 09:47 PM
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My buddies and I prefer skiing (alpine & jet) or riding (motorcycles or dirt bikes) or doing a long list of things together, none of which we would consider “romantic” unless we were engaged in them with our sexual intimacy partners of choice, because the entire concept of “romance” is derived from an origin point of sexual desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 09:01 PM
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Not sure about you, but I don’t listen to people playing the violin on the beach or explore the “hip” arrondisments in Paris with romance on my mind with my platonic friends. To do so would be cruel to both myself and the other party. I only do that type of thing with my wife now and before that with other women with whom there was mutual desire for sexual intimacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 08:49 PM
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In order to exercise any level of choice other than taking the single option that has been offered or nothing a man must have at least two women at any given time who have expressed a desire for sexual intimacy with him. That’s a very rare condition for men. And even then his choice is extremely limited compared to that of most women, and still fundamentally subordinate to women’s choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 08:15 PM
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The idea of romantic love and romance itself is distinctly different from (and almost oppositional to) the idea of platonic love and friendship for a reason. That reason is sexual interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 06:56 PM
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Romance is entirely function of interest in sexual intimacy. Posing it as a distinct goal is nonsensical.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 06:23 PM
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“Getting laid” is a key factor of long term sexual relationships, ultimately the key factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 06:18 PM
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True, but the “paying for dates” issue is just symbolic of what they can expect going forward.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 06:16 PM
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No, my wife spent much more time doing that than I did on the whole, though now I probably spend more time in direct teaching than she does. She managed, and still manages, the execution and defers to my strategic and tactical decision-making. Generally, as the children get older men take on more of the specialized educational roles in the homeschooling community.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 05:56 PM
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We have homeschooled all of our several children. In my spare time over the last almost 20 years, I have taught economics and monetary history to homeschooled children, publicly schooled children, and children attending some of the finest private schools in the country. Generally speaking, the home schooled children are the most capable and facile critical thinkers and enthusiastic learners by a fair margin, with the children from excellent private schools reaching about 80% of that level on ave…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 05:41 PM
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Our modern educational systems were designed and originally put into place to suppress individual critical thinking ability and creativity, to create uniformity of opinion and belief, all in order to generate a subservient working class (inclusive of “white collar” middle management). And they are exceedingly effective at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 05:32 PM
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You most definitely don’t want your wife giving advice to your bullied child, but if one is foolish enough as to put one’s child in school in the first place, I wouldn’t necessarily expect one to understand that. Where there are two, there will be differences of opinion, and when differences arise someone will have decision-making power. Ultimately if one’s wife isn’t willing to submit, the family’s going to have a difficult time thriving. Women tend to have very different priorities to men and …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 05:22 PM
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Very few men have the capacity to choose women. Most men’s choice is limited to accepting whoever chooses them or going along with nothing. Thus, most men have to cast a wide net.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 05:02 PM
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Pro Tip: Women ask compliance and sycophancy of men in general because they think it makes their lives easier, but they actually detest it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 04:47 PM
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Need tends to encourage the strongest want.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 04:30 PM
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It’s not “trying to make women jealous.” Humans have a tendency to use heuristics and since women are the sexual selectors of our species they are likely to use heuristics in their sexual selection. One heuristic that they frequently use is assigning value based on the choices of other women. There is no better aphrodisiac than showing up to an event with one or two attractive women on your arm. It works because women are attracted to power and when women see that other women are attracted to yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 02:34 PM
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Less than 25%.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 01:17 AM
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https://ifstudies.org/insights?id=3587
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 12:50 AM
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That we want relationship with women who actually find us sexually attractive does not men that we don’t want relationships. Rather, it just means that we want relationships with women who actually find us sexually attractive and not with those who don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 12:46 AM
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Bankers typically do not complain about the financialization of the economy. Mercedes dealers typically do not complain about the decline in the durability of Mercedes cars. The British East India Company did not complain about the effects of opium on the Chinese population.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 06:28 PM
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Of course. Why would we want a relationship with a woman who doesn’t find us attractive enough for casual sex? Such relationships are a recipe for misery.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 05:54 PM
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You would do well to study that which you wish to critique before critiquing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 05:51 PM
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If you don’t definitively know what it is (what creates “magical spark”) you cannot know what it is not. You are just reacting to the fact that you don’t like how it sounds to be attracted to power.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 03:55 PM
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I don't know. Either I FEEL the spark or not. It's not just looks, I must have some interaction with him and feel the vibe. But it's a mystery to me too. And I really don't know how or why, it just happens. I have no control over it… Like you said (but emphasis mine).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 03:42 PM
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Almost everything women do is in pursuit of power, and men pursue power because it is so attractive to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 03:32 PM
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Relationships in which one was “settled for” aren’t very good relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 03:30 PM
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Status and money are just two aspects of 5 different forms of the expression of power.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 03:23 PM
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OP, this ☝️is an honest answer. Note that she admits to not knowing how or why or to having any control over it, but then asserts that “there are no rules” and no common factors. That is an oxymoron. There very much are rules and commonalities. They just operate in her subconscious and thus she is unaware of them. That is not unusual, most women persist in that state, even most of those who claim otherwise. The rule and the commonality for all women is the expression of power, in some combinatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 10:19 AM
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Based on research into genetic history, roughly 40% of men who ever lived have reproduced, compared to about 80% of women. This indicates that today’s human population is descended from roughly twice as many women as men, largely due to historical disparities in resources and power where fewer men left descendants. Massive Skew: Studies indicate that throughout much of human history, as few as 1 man reproduced for every 4 or 5 women. Unequal Legacy: While most women who reached adulthood histori…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 10:33 PM
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You can accurately be described as “a clump of cells.” That you wish to deny the scientific fact that the zygotes, embryos, and fetuses resulting from human sexual reproduction are both living and individual members of the genus Homo, does not obviate the scientific fact that the zygotes, embryos, and fetuses resulting from human sexual reproduction are in fact living individual members of the genus Homo (aka individual living humans).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 09:39 PM
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I made no mention of murder in any of my posts. Murder is a legal fiction which is a criminal act. That elective abortion is not classified as such does not obviate the fact that it very much is the killing of living human beings.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 09:36 PM
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You didn’t look at all human death, you restricted your observation to death from disease. CDC estimates annual US elective abortion at roughly 900,000, roughly 450,000 of those will be females. The Guttmacher Institute estimates roughly 1,150,000 per year of which roughly 575,000 will be females. As the zygotes, embryos, and fetuses resulting from the sexual reproduction of a human male and female are scientifically classified as both alive and members of the genus Homo (aka living humans), the…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 09:34 PM
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FBI, CDC, Guttmacher Institute **Edit:** It’s important to keep things in their proper perspective so that we understand from where the bulk of violence against human females actually originates. For every one woman that is killed by a man, women kill at least 184 of their own daughters.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 08:04 PM
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The leading cause of human female death in the US is mothers killing their own daughters. They do so at least 18,367% more frequently than men kill women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 07:56 PM
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I never claimed that you build careers for the sake of attractiveness. Rather, I simply asserted that you presume such is attractive to us because it is attractive to you. But men are attracted to different qualities in women than women are in men and ambition typically isn’t one of them. It is far more important to us that women to whom we choose to commit be kind and agreeable because “It is better to dwell in the corner of the rooftop, than with a quarrelsome woman in a large house.”
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 06:28 AM
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The existence of (or lack thereof) “ups and downs” is not what defines the health of a relationship. Correlation =/= causation.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 06:19 AM
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The percentage of people getting married has also dropped precipitously.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 06:02 AM
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You can’t actually observe “red pilled dudes” on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 09:11 PM
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Ask them why, or what they love about them. In more than 50% of cases you’ll get a list essentially describing utility to themselves rather than his inherent qualities without reference to the utility to themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 09:05 PM
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Most of them love what their husbands do for them more than they actually love their husbands.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 09:02 PM
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Yes, and have been for long enough to have observed many marriages somewhat closely. In very few of them would I say that the wives have “fallen for” (or even actually love) their husbands.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 08:57 PM
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It has been my experience of observing marriages that most women who are married haven’t actually “fallen for” their husbands.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 08:42 PM
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In the US 40% of marriages fail and of the 60% that don’t a significant percentage of them are unhealthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 08:29 PM
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It is effeminate to conflate criticism with hate, they are not the same thing, and men that were raised with fathers don’t do that. And we don’t even criticize “financially independent” women, we just believe that your “financial independence” doesn’t make you any more attractive to us. What we criticize is the solipsism which leads you to believe that it should and the lack of wisdom evident in valuing a “corporate career” over motherhood, both of which make you less attractive to us. It is coo…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 08:06 PM
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I could not ask for better evidence of my assertion than your post history in this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 06:47 PM
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Yes RP philosophy exists because Western culture was emasculated by feminism and boys were not raised in masculine environments.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 05:03 PM
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The main theme of RP content is: If you want sexual access to women, work on yourself and if you’re unwilling to do that, stop bitching about it. Men (who were raised with strong fathers) criticize ourselves all the time. It’s ingrained in our culture because we understand that it’s how we improve. Women, OTOH, are extremely conflict avoidant and eschew open criticism because it can engender conflict. Thus the effeminate construct that criticism = hate.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 04:56 PM
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Simps, Betas, Emasculated men, Lazy men, Etc And I didn’t say feminists don’t self criticize. I assert that honest introspection, objective self observation, and objective self critique is anathema to women generally.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 04:51 PM
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It’s not that women are never criticized, it’s that women never criticize themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 04:45 PM
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https://www.researchgate.net/publication/273809664_The_Dark_Triad_personality_Attractiveness_to_women https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40806-019-00213-0 …and so on. TL;DR: Women are attracted to psychopathy, narcissism, and Machiavellian behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 02:58 AM
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Not when they can’t rely on their relative lack of productivity being subsidized.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 03:38 AM
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Power is expressed in 5 different ways: physically, socially, financially, intellectually, and spiritually. Different women are attracted to different combinations of those expressions, but all are attracted to power and the expression of power.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 03:36 AM
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In our hunter gatherer days, people died in their 30s and 40s. Nope. Average lifetimes were much shorter because far more children didn’t make it to adolescence, not because people typically died a lot younger if they did make it to adolescence.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 02:32 AM
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For men, your power. And women are attracted to power.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 02:29 AM
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In my socioeconomic cohort (US private day school to NE boarding school to Ivy college & grad school to .5%er income careers - if you weren’t a Trustafarian) the most stable marriages by a substantial margin have been those that were entered into early on with couples formed in prep school or college. At my prep school reunions I’d estimate the percentage of couples still together who came together in prep school or college is in the 70% range, whereas the percentage of couples still together wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 02:24 AM
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In Western economies it is women who benefit most from productive younger cohorts, by a significant margin. When older women outnumber the productive younger cohorts, they will suffer hard and women of childbearing age will suffer too, but less hard because they will be able to bear their own children. And the prospects for women are much worse in non-capitalist economies.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 02:03 AM
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Most developed nations have birth rates under replacement and having children isn’t in the top 10 of priorities for most young women. Waiting to get into LTRs leads to higher rates of happiness and more stable relationships. The second assertion is a fleetingly temporary condition which only lasts until your society doesn’t have enough productive young people to sustain the older population due to the first assertion. Then it all collapses and the older women suffer the most.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 08:43 PM
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Taken one step further, do not think of your spouse as an object for the provision of some utility to yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 05:41 PM
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None of which supports your causal claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 05:09 AM
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Nothing in your linked study evidences your claim. You shouldn’t link studies that you haven’t actually read.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 04:25 AM
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Only roughly 50% of women regularly experience orgasm anyway, 20% report having difficulty doing so, and as many as 15% never have. Yet women report having orgasms 60% of the time on average in heterosexual encounters. Maybe it’s not because men are “bad at it.”
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 04:11 AM
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That sounds more like a personal experience than a sound logical conclusion. Again, correlation =/= causation, and I would refer you to the same potential causes I mentioned above.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 03:53 AM
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Neither that thought, nor anything like it has never crossed my mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 03:50 AM
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This sub, the comments under this post, and even your comment provide ample evidence of my assertion.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 08:21 PM
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☝️False dichotomy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 07:18 PM
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No, the fact that women generally eschew introspection, objective self observation, and objective self critique creates RP content.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 07:17 PM
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Correlation =/= causation. This take is entirely believable if the woman in question had been having casual sexual relationships with the intention of converting them into long term relationships while simultaneously choosing men for whom she herself happened to be in the lower physical attractiveness tier of their multiple options for intimacy, or she has significant character flaws that become apparent to the men in question. Those are two causal factors likely extant in the correlated events …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 05:52 PM
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Maybe because we generally don’t believe in the specialization of rights according to identity?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 09:44 PM
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Either way it ends in a societal collapse, which will be catastrophic for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 06:21 PM
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The analogy is to the money and the job (obverse sides of the same coin). You should give more thought to things before commenting.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 04:35 PM
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You want to get paid $1,000,000,000/year. Why settle for less than that? Why not just get on the public dole?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 04:09 PM
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Saw a YT video recently in which the CC dug into the data and arrived at the conclusion that the drop in birth rates was more due to women delaying coupling to periods of low fertility and then regretting it than opting out entirely - a conclusion which was then supported by adoption data. Can’t find the video but apparently CBS, PBS, and the BBC have done similar research and arrived at a similar conclusion in years past.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 04:01 PM
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☝️”Accurate perspective on risk is irrelevant.” 🤡 Presumably because it demonstrates that the risk which you are decrying is vanishingly small in reality when compared to the actual risks of being killed? “IT DOESN’T COUNT WHEN WOMEN KILL, ONLY WHEN MEN DO!!!”
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 05:10 PM
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It is a risk that every person in the demographic faced which puts their current risk into accurate perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 04:51 PM
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Chaos and abuse in your background can either serve as the ultimate motivation for not repeating the conditions which spawned it or the ultimate excuse for not taking the responsibility to create order and security. That’s a choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 04:50 PM
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It’s important to put risks into accurate perspective so that they don’t get exaggerated and used disingenuously.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 03:12 PM
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Including all human killing is not “padding the data” on human killing. And yes it’s true that approximately .57% of the total number of human females that have been killed are more likely to have been killed by a man…. …but approximately 99.43% of the human females that are killed every year are killed by their own mothers.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 05:38 AM
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Nope not trying to dilute homicide statistics. Rather just making an accurate statement about the killing of humans in the US. That the facts may bruise your feelings does not obviate the fact that a human female is at least 17,000% more likely to have been killed by her own mother than a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 05:14 AM
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You are only using criminal acts of killing classified as homicide, which are less 2.5% of the total annual killings of humans in the US. For the legal killings in the US you need to look at CDC data (estimates at 850,000 up) and the Guttmacher Institute (estimates at 1,160,000).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 03:34 AM
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A human female in the US is at least 17,000% more likely to have been killed by her own mother than a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 01:26 AM
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You don’t math much, do you? The word mutual does not describe a distribution. If one sex has 99% of total choice and the other 1% of total choice, that is technically mutual. If total “choice” is 50/50 but in one sex it has uniform distribution but in the other it is inverse Poisson, that’s also mutual but the accurate description would be that one sex experiences choice whereas the other doesn’t. And choice is not who you message, it’s who’s willing to be sexually intimate with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 09:54 PM
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No, I think it’s you demonstrating poor reading comprehension (or a lack of statistical understanding). I also said humans display mutual mate choice, but the distribution of the choice is neither uniform nor remotely symmetrical between men and women. The bulk of us are lucky to get chosen at all, and our secondary “choice” is either accept who chooses you or go without - possibly forever. A very small percentage of us get simultaneously chosen which then gives us an actual choice between the s…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 09:39 PM
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Might be a good start to read the first sentence of your own quote.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 08:53 PM
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Did you not read the first sentence of your own quote? In this thread I accurately described the extent of the human male sexual choice - a very few males get the vast majority of male choice and the vast majority get none.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 08:52 PM
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The leading cause of human death in the US is women killing their own children. They do so at a rate which is at least 4,600% more frequent than men kill anyone but themselves in suicide, and multiple orders of magnitude more frequent than even that. And women will go so far as to argue against the scientific reality that their own offspring aren’t living or aren’t human, or even liken their own children to parasites in order to justify the mass killings. Few things are more destructive to socie…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 08:48 PM
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How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 06:19 PM
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All confidence schemes rely on the desire of the victim to get some utility for less than what they perceive to be the typical requisite effort. The con artist takes advantage of that desire by promising that utility to the victim. If you are not focused on obtaining utility, you cannot be conned. Thus my caution against evaluating others based on an evaluation of utility to the self.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 04:53 PM
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…if you’re roughly average or better. Take a look around and count how many below roughly average looking dudes you see with significant female friend sets. Researchers attempted to study how women rate men and react to imagined sex with men while in an aroused and unaroused state. To do so, they showed 91 women either an erotic video or a hiking video before rating the attractiveness of photographs of men’s faces. The faces varied in attractiveness. The women then rated their disgust towards an…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 04:03 PM
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Genetic and anthropological research suggests that throughout human history, approximately 40% of men reproduced, while about 80% of women did. This means that roughly twice as many women as men passed on their genes, with a few elite men often leaving large numbers of offspring, leading to a significant reproductive disparity. Source: Google AI Most men don’t get chosen.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 03:50 PM
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Nope. We’re just not the sexual selectors of the species. The bulk of us are lucky to get chosen at all, and our secondary “choice” is either accept who chooses you or go without - possibly forever. A very small percentage of us get simultaneously chosen which then gives us an actual choice between the simultaneous choosers. That only happens because women have very high overlap in what they find attractive. And that high overlap can make it appear to women that men actually have choice because …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 03:42 PM
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People’s actual character is always on full display and very easily observable for those who are truly observant (ie not engaged in trying to evaluate utility).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 03:11 PM
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All that being said, I'm pretty confident that he's also below average in looks. Because if he were above average in looks, one of those women he meets at parties would have f*cked him for some random reason by now. Maybe, but women rarely (if ever) befriend men who are truly below average in looks, and when they do it’s only because those men supply them with something not easily obtained elsewhere (like money or illicit substances). If he does have many female friends (as he claims) it’s more …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 03:08 PM
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I’ve probably been married for longer than you’ve been alive.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 05:25 AM
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It substantially increases the likelihood that the sexual attraction is strong and not dependent on the anticipated receipt of some other utility.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 05:08 AM
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Sound healthy LTRs are based on appreciation for the other that is so extensive that you are willing to be flexible with all other aspects of your life. If you are prioritizing how that other is going to fit (or not fit) into your plans, you are already prioritizing your plans over the person and evaluating that person as an object for the fulfillment of your plans. When the evaluation of the other based in determining the character of the other and has nothing to do with what you expect to rece…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 05:06 AM
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But they are based on strong sexual attraction. If the desire for sexual intimacy is conditional on the receipt of some other utility, the sexual attraction isn’t strong enough for a healthy LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 04:42 AM
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Of course they can, but that he buys into the trope that men generally don’t and he’s somehow special or deserving because he does signals that he’s been emasculated by feminist nonsense and is easily manipulable. Women tend not to be sexually attracted to easily manipulable men, it comes across as weak.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 04:34 AM
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If none of them have been straightforward about hitting on you, it’s because either you’re not physically attractive (less likely because women are repulsed by men they don’t find physically attractive) or, more likely, you don’t come off as powerful and masculine. I see them as human and I can see value in them beyond a sexually That quote is strong evidence of the latter. It screams that you listen to what women say about their attractions and believe it, even though your experience belies wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 03:38 AM
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It has been my experience that when women approach and express interest in a man, they’ve been observing him for longer than he has even been aware of their existence and very often have already done their vetting without him even knowing it. But at any rate the “compatibility” testing really boils down to “is he willing and able to do for me that which I want/expect him to do for me,” which is where the trouble lies (and the lies fester). As I suggested above: Pro Tip: If you vet for the charac…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 03:25 AM
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So you have the onus of having to choose carefully. With great power (that of the sexual choice) comes great responsibility. And you’ll have to stop eschewing introspection, objective self-observation, and objective self-critique to be able pull it off. Pro Tip: If you vet for the character of the man without regard to what he can do for you, it’s much easier to choose well.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 12:58 AM
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Which RP tenets specifically demonstrate that?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 12:46 AM
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That a non-virgin woman wouldn’t “hookup” with a particular man implies that she requires the receipt of some other utility from him in exchange for participation in sexual intimacy. That’s never a sound basis for an healthy LTR. The man in question is never “any” man. Rather, he is always the particular man. Similarly, men should never date women who would “hookup” with “any” man, only the particular man. That a couple has an LTR does not make it healthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 06:28 PM
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See my edit.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 06:04 PM
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All men should only date women who would “hookup” with them. That a non-virgin woman wouldn’t “hookup” with a particular man implies that she requires the receipt of some other utility from him in exchange for participation in sexual intimacy. That’s never a sound basis for an healthy LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 05:59 PM
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They know, often better than we do. It’s just difficult for them to openly admit and critique because then they’d have to acknowledge their own lack of wonderfulness. Keeping the WAWE going requires a collective conformity to eschewing introspection.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 05:55 PM
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Victim mentality is anti-masculine and entropic. It will never appeal to men broadly.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 05:36 PM
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It does mean that they’re not attracted enough to sustain a healthy LTR. Of course, exceptions could be made for a virgin.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 03:42 PM
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Women are very adept at making it known when they want to be sexually intimate with a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 03:22 PM
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All men should only date women who would “hookup” with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 03:19 PM
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All men should only date women who would “hookup” with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 03:13 PM
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…and if a woman isn’t attracted enough to you to take a risk, she’s definitely not attracted enough to you to sustain a healthy LTR because those are full of risk. As to the degeneracy, it’s certainly more degenerate to engage in sexual intimacy only conditional on the recipient of (aka in exchange for) some other other utility. The short term for such behavior is “prostitution.”
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 03:09 PM
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Usually, we bring the table itself, and the chairs, and the structure that the table is in.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 06:01 AM
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I’ll take it one step further: All men should only date women who would “hookup” with them. If a woman doesn’t view a man as quality “hookup material,” she’s not attracted enough to him to sustain a healthy long term relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 05:42 AM
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Some human lives are worth more than others? It wouldn’t be unusual for you to think that. Human history is replete with certain more powerful groups of humans denying humanity to or otherwise asserting their superiority over other less powerful groups of humans as the result of various arbitrary differences (like state of development) in order to justify killing those less powerful groups masse. Even still, of all the examples of some groups of humans being depraved enough to kill others en mas…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 05:12 AM
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Women do approach and shoot their shots, on the regular. They just don’t like giving up the plausible deniability of interest unless they absolutely have to. So, for most men, they don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 01:14 AM
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Indeed, which is why I added the “conservative families with strong male leadership and good female role models” clause. Weak male “leadership” within Christian families leads to poor female role models which leads to the absolutely rotten daughters you are observing.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 07:30 PM
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☝️How to tell everyone that you don’t know the first thing about hunting without saying “I don’t know the first thing about hunting.” Female lions are efficient at hunting. Female humans, not so much. One of the first things is that you have to be quiet. Lots of talking will ruin your day. That alone disqualifies women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 06:49 PM
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Facts. You have to commit early on (right after you qualify), be looking in the right spot (church for conservative families with strong male leadership and good female role models), and you have to understand that you want to commit to a good support truck (not a Ferrari).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 06:36 PM
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Never commit to a woman who picked you at the finish line. The smart ones pick you once you get your qualifying number, drive your support truck during the race, and hand you hydration and energy bars at strategic stops along the course. The ones who deserve your commitment do that and make meals for your pit crew as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 06:22 PM
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The stats to which you refer only capture the instances in which mothers killing their own children are recorded as crimes. When you include non-criminal acts of such killing (and you can get that data from the CDC and the Guttmacher Institute) the instances of women killing their own offspring rise to 850,000 on the low end (according to the CDC) and 1,120,000 per year on the higher end (according to the Guttmacher Institute). https://www.guttmacher.org/news-release/2026/guttmacher-releases-ful…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 05:22 PM
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“Women created clothes?” 🤔 Also, that you think clothes are what protected you from the elements is telling. 👀 “Capable of hunting?” Yes. Efficient at hunting, nope. Hunting is hard, if you’re not efficient at it, you starve. Women were not efficient at it, which is why they didn’t do it (and still mostly don’t even with modern tools that even out the efficiency differential). “Women were gatherers?” Yes, but the reason the species has the intellect we do is because of the meat that men garnered…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 04:32 PM
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Mostly men’s protection from the elements, starvation, and other animal predators, and occasionally men’s protection from other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 04:18 PM
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You are statistically more likely to have been beaten by your mother than by your husband, and multiple orders of magnitude more likely to have been killed by your own mother than by any man.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 04:12 PM
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It’s not wrong at all if you’re just looking for casual sex partners. It will almost certainly help with that. If you’re looking for LTR partners it is a very poor strategy indeed. Sounds a bit like you’re Ferrari shopping on a Hyundai budget - perhaps with the idea that if you can find dealer who’ll allow you to test drive a Ferrari, you’ll get lucky enough to win the lottery on that same day. You may well eventually find a Ferrari for the price of a new Hyundai, but at best you’ll end up with …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 03:55 PM
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That you live in as safe an environment as you do and have the both the time to conceive of the above nonsense and the ability to send it all over the world instantaneously is evidence counter to your argument. Meanwhile women in the US kill more humans than men by at least 3.5 orders of magnitude every year, but only fight vigorously to protect their own supposed “right” to do so, and then go out of their way to twist and distort both scientific understanding and even language itself in order t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 02:27 PM
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It is much more common in my observation to see women have rich lives wit different goals and hobbies and commitment to art and literature, and rich inner universes, while far more men lack substance. This is neither my experience nor the experience of most men. I suspect you don’t get the opportunity to listen to women talk to each other very much. On average women tend to be significantly less curious, creative, interested, and interesting than men. And this is a secondary reason why women do …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 02:52 AM
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RP philosophy does not promote the faking of anything. It does promote the development of masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 09:29 PM
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You have most certainly advocated for the absurd idea that killing one’s own child is somehow less irresponsible and morally bankrupt than merely abandoning one’s child (which itself is irresponsible and morally bankrupt). And you have done so by disingenuous denial that elective abortion is the killing of a living human, one’s own child no less. That is quite asinine indeed.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 08:10 PM
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I understand. It’s got to be hard to resolve the state of cognitive dissonance required to advocate for a supposed “right” to kill one’s own children while still trying to maintaining a positive self image.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 05:44 PM
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The “medical act” to which you refer “prevents the existence of a person” by killing a living human which happens to be one’s own child. You’re engaging in Olympic level rhetorical gymnastics in order to avoid the truth of that for which you advocate for a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 05:32 PM
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Nope. Just suggesting that demanding such a supposed “right” is clown world. And that you wish to employ the euphemism of “medical procedure” in order to obscure the act of killing your child only demonstrates that you actually do recognize just how insanely depraved the act of elective abortion is.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 05:15 PM
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…or… …maybe demand an equal supposed “right” to kill any living human who relies on the use of his body for access to sustenance and shelter - people like his wife and children, or anyone who is a net recipient of government subsidies. 🤡 Women killing their own children is the leading cause of human death in the US by a substantial margin. They do so at a rate at least 4,600% greater than men kill anyone but themselves in suicide.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 04:00 PM
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And they are all in trouble with the law (have lien judgements against them, orders for wage garnishment, and/or warrants out for their arrest) for not using their bodies to produce sustenance and shelter for their offspring (aka children). But you know what else they did not do? They didn’t kill their own children (aka offspring).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 03:45 PM
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As opposed to killing them? Abandonment is the more humane thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 01:35 AM
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https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/8T8uklni6D
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 01:19 AM
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It’s actually quite a bit more than your oversimplification.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 12:19 AM
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Whether or not a product delivery is guaranteed does not change the essential transactional nature of the exchange.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 10:35 PM
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Women also enjoy sexual intimacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 08:15 PM
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Women also enjoy sexual intimacy. Additionally, you’re making it very clear that you haven’t actually read any RP philosophy. RP tenets specifically promote “non sexual physical touch and eye contact to form bonds with women.“ In the future, it would behoove you to undertake some study of the thing you wish to critique before critiquing it lest you demonstrate your ignorance on the matter to the world by making utterly false assertions in your critique.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 08:08 PM
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Yet, none of that makes the actual perpetration lopsided.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 06:13 PM
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I have not advocated for any specific change. I have just stated that viewing sexual assault as a male perpetrator/ female victim phenomenon is false.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 06:05 PM
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…and RP philosophy is all about how to get and maintain the physical contact. But don’t most women claim that they need to feel “bonded” before they engage in that oxytocin releasing physical contact?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 05:34 PM
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The entirety of RP philosophy is an exploration of that which creates “the bonds.”
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 05:18 PM
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Banter is just another signal for power. It’s not the banter, it’s the power.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 04:19 PM
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They do, just far less frequently, of significantly less difficulty, and with substantially less severe health consequences. Thus, to OP’s point, women don’t actually “have it harder,” and the argument that their “burden of childbearing / childcare” makes it so is false.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 04:14 PM
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That has never once happened to me, so I have little sympathy for men who complain about it. If men want claims like yours to be taken seriously about how unsafe the world is for random men, then they need to report things like this. Instead, most of what I see in the news is random women and non-random men being assaulted. This speaks directly to my point. We have very different standards for what constitutes sexual assault and how seriously it is taken when a woman is the perpetrator than when…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 04:11 PM
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Those statistics are coming from reports, not incidents. Men almost never report sexual assault. All you have to do is spend an evening in any bar or club, observe closely, and apply the same standard for sexual assault to women as you do to men. As for myself, I have been groped, rubbed, otherwise inappropriately touched, had my hand grabbed by women and placed on their bodies, and been randomly tongue kissed by women far more frequently than my wife has had any similar incidents happen to her …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 03:22 AM
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That which you call a “burden” (producing sustenance and shelter for your children) is actually more deadly and dangerous to men than to women and is yet another example of women overestimating the “difficulty” of their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 01:54 AM
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Similar to the most accurate denotation of the English word “child,” the denotations of the English words “son” and “daughter” describe relationships which are independent of the state of development of the individuals in the described relationship. For example: My father is accurately described as the son of my paternal grandfather, even though they are both deceased. Similarly, my son was accurately described as my son (the male offspring resulting from my participation in sexual reproduction …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 01:09 AM
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…or a son or a daughter of any age. That you choose to use an inaccurate definition of the English word “child” as a euphemistic mechanism for obscuring the depravity of elective abortion does not actually change the meaning of the word. Nor does it obviate the psychopathic selfishness and cruelty of the act. No matter how harsh you may perceive the world to be, killing your own children is harsher.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 11:07 PM
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The words “zygote,” “embryo,” and “fetus” are used to describe the particular states of development of a child prior to its birth. The English word “child” is etymologically derived from the Proto-Germanic word “kiltham” meaning “womb” or “fetus” or “fruit of the womb.” The most accurate denotation of the English word “child” describes a relationship between two individuals which is independent of the state of development of the individuals. For example: I am still accurately described as the ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 08:35 PM
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The FBI only measures criminal acts of killing other humans. CDC stats put elective abortion at roughly 850,000 plus per year. Guttmacher Institute stats put it at up to 1,250,000. As the zygotes, embryos and fetuses resulting from human sexual reproduction are (according to well settled scientific understanding) both living and members of the genus Homo (aka living humans), the leading cause of human death in the us by far is women killing their own children.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 05:03 PM
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The leading cause of human death in the US is women killing their own children, and they do it more than 4,600% more frequently than men kill anyone but ourselves in suicide.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 04:35 PM
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A random women is much more likely to be the victim of violence than a random man. False. Furthermore, sexual assault a much worse violent attack than just getting beaten up and robbed. Also false. And women sexually assault men all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 04:34 PM
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Each year in the US more than 3x as many men die in the act of using their bodies to produce sustenance and shelter for their offspring (and wives) as do women, inclusive of death from pregnancy and childbirth complications. If you include serious injury, the multiple gets even higher. The entire reason for the existence of both the male and female sexes is sexual reproduction.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 04:31 PM
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The reason you have the luxury to claim that it isn’t relevant to a “dating argument” is because men did (and still do) those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 11:06 PM
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Nope. They enhanced the value of a few men while decimating their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 04:07 PM
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General data shows that women net collect productivity from men which sustains them in their older age (and is absolutely devastating the US economy).
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 03:30 PM
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So were you talking about a single example or a general trend? Seemed like you were speaking to a general trend.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 03:25 PM
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Welfare statism ultimately destroys societal function.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 03:22 PM
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☝️projection
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 03:18 PM
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Not in our current society’s legal system.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 03:14 PM
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Yes, because we have built a society in which government redistributes other men’s productivity to older single women.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 03:01 PM
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That’s it. In fact—it’s a detriment if she has any other qualities or if her character is more than looking at the ground and “submitting”. This is false. We just don’t value the same set of characteristics in women as do women in men. Why should we? Men and women are fundamentally different. The idea that we should is utterly contrary to natural division of labor and patently solipsistic. That women like (and have been deceived by) feminism does not set feminism as a healthy standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 02:59 PM
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Yes, the use of social and legal pressure to coerce men into accepting exclusive long term prostitution contracts is a bad thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 02:54 PM
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One can only “be used for sex” if her own intent was to engage in the sexual intimacy on the condition that she receive some utility other than the enjoyment of being sexually intimate (ie transactionally). In other words, she intended to use herself to get something and then didn’t receive that thing which she was intending to get.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 02:35 AM
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OP’s assertion and specifically the equivalency relies on the premise that women do not inherently enjoy sexual intimacy. Without that underlying premise the equivalence she attempts to draw is asymmetrical.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 01:58 AM
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It’s about the mentality and decision-making framework. Chasing status (rappers, athletes, celebs, CEOs, or even just the popular banking family scion in prep school or college) is a sign of poor values for a sound LTR, inclusive of an overestimation of her own attractiveness. Would be significantly better if she had actually been completely sexually intimate with her past relationship partners who were the really nice average guy in high school and the smartest guy in her college organic chemis…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 01:27 AM
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Casual “encounters” chasing status says that she’s not going to be compatible with any sort of sound LTR. But were that her mindset, she wouldn’t have been attractive enough for me to have been considering for an LTR in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 01:10 AM
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You listed one. And being truthful about the state of things =/= misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 12:36 AM
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Those men already carry the bulk of the burden of sustaining a household, even and especially when their wives are pregnant. It is the epitome of entitlement for western women to believe that they do even half the work.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 12:17 AM
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OP equivocates the desire to engage in a mutually enjoyable activity with someone with the desire to revive money from someone. Those two things are not similar.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 12:07 AM
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Sex is a mutually enjoyable activity. Giving someone money is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 12:03 AM
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So then the equivalence OP proposed doesn’t hold.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 12:00 AM
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…so they need to get paid?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 11:58 PM
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Yet remains the least taxing, harmful, and difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 11:58 PM
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Go ahead and list them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 11:57 PM
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…because women choose not to, and those jobs still need to get done.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 11:26 PM
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Most school cohorting is very similar in Western countries. In non-western countries age gaps tend to be wider.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 11:23 PM
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Nope, men have benefited too, just a lot less than have women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 11:00 PM
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…because it’s the easiest, least risky, and least damaging of the work that needs to be done to sustain a household.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 10:49 PM
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Maybe you live in a city. Most men not in large cities do all of that stuff all the time. But every man in the US has signed up to put his life on the line fighting wars.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 10:34 PM
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☝️She says as we have just gotten into yet another war in the Middle East for which only men are in danger of being drafted… Yes, things have gotten easier for men too, but much less so than for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 10:29 PM
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And the “traditional” woman’s role has gotten a lot easier (ie there is substantially less total work involved) than the traditional man’s role.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 10:25 PM
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Not a crime at all. Rather, it’s just a demonstration of how “trad” women’s work doesn’t really exist any more and has been replaced by men buying things that men invented and built to do their women’s “trad” work for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 09:35 PM
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…funny how that aligns with the age gaps of school cohorting.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 09:34 PM
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If a woman needs to be in a relationship to enjoy sex with a given man it is only because she needs to garner the utility from the relationship (whatever that may be for her) in exchange for the sexual intimacy in order to enjoy it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 08:50 PM
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Again, men in the US not only die at more than 3x the rate of women in the act of producing sustenance and shelter for our children (and wives) - not counting the negative health effects of white collar jobs which would only make the stats worse - but they also net produce more than they consume whereas women net consume more than they produce. Modern Western women have the easiest, safest, and most luxurious lives of any major demographic group of humans to ever have existed.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 08:45 PM
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Then you know that being a woman used to be hard work and now you have machines that do most of that work for you (which trad women expect men to buy). Most women in the 1950s did not have washing machines.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 08:41 PM
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You said it yourself: I don’t know many women who enjoy one night stands. Women mostly enjoy sex in a relationship, which is not what’s being talked about here…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 08:35 PM
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Modern Western trad women most definitely have the easiest, safest, and most luxurious lives of any major demographic group of humans to ever have existed. I am probably quite a bit older than you, and when I was very young and my father was driving a cab to pay for us and grad school, we didn’t have a washing machine or a second car, or a laundromat anywhere near us. Disposable diapers were a luxury item. My trad mother literally had to hand wash my siblings diapers with a washboard in a tub an…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 08:32 PM
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Modern western women have the easiest, safest, and most luxurious lives of any major demographic group of humans to ever have existed.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 08:18 PM
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Imagine having to wash all your clothes by hand on a washboard with water that you fetched from the river and soap that you made from fat which you rendered from the meat that some man gave you and the lye you made ashes from the firewood that he CSSed for you that you burned in the fire you had to get up throughout the night to keep burning so that you could stay warm. Imagine having made those clothes which you are washing yourself. Now, you expect men to work to buy you the clothes, the furna…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 08:11 PM
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While it is true that most women only enjoy sex with most men when it is transactional and they therefore receive some utility other than the pleasure of sexual intimacy from the man, it is also true that most women actually do enjoy sexual intimacy with a small subset of men for the sake of enjoying the sexual intimacy itself… …because (surprise surprise) women actually do like sex, maybe even more than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 08:04 PM
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Dinners out? Meh, not really. Maybe some of the NYC metrosexuals, but generally nowhere near as much as women enjoy sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 07:53 PM
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That’s not traditional. Traditionally women worked, and they worked hard. They just did so in the household (including working in the family businesses) for the most part. Nowadays women have machines that essentially do all the hard household work for which they used to be responsible for them, and the children are (horribly) cared for by the state in public schools.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 07:20 PM
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Women also enjoy sexual intimacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 07:14 PM
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We know this because where women have more rights and are equal to men, the age-gap goes away. Correlation =/= causation. This phenomenon is likely explained by extensive age cohorting in schooling, and even with that extensive age cohorting girls tend to prefer boys who are older than they.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 02:00 PM
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Probability in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 01:03 AM
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Probability matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 01:02 AM
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The majority of Americans prefer McDonald’s French Fries to kale, yet kale is the better food for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 12:45 AM
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This ☝️argument rests on the false presumption that popularity denotes quality.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 12:12 AM
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More than 3x as many men die each year in the US from using their bodies to produce sustenance and shelter for their children (and wives) as do women, inclusive of deaths resulting from pregnancy and childbirth complications. If you include serious injury the numbers are even higher. Yet we are not so psychopathically solipsistic as to subscribe to your victim mentality.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 11:40 PM
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The saving grace to the rat race you describe is that women assess power via five dimensions of expression (physical, social, financial, intellectual, and spiritual) and different women will be attracted to different combinations of power expression. So, it’s not all about your relative job and bank balance. But no matter what, women are the sexual selectors and if they’re not “into you” enough to initiate, they’re not “into you” enough to sustain a healthy LTR in which you are appreciated as an…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 10:16 AM
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When women are into you, they initiate. If they’re not initiating it’s because they’re not into you and your time is better spent becoming more powerful so that they will be into you and initiate.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 02:08 AM
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In this comment you have partially explained why “like” swipes are not a reliable indicator of attractiveness metrics.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 01:26 AM
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Most guys do… …because she’s not that into them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 01:23 AM
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Women are the sexual selectors of our species. And men whom women find attractive are much more rare than women whom men find attractive. If you’re a man who has to jump through hoops, it’s because you’re not one of those guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 01:22 AM
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I’ll take it one step further. If you have to spend any money on her, she’s not that into you. Maybe one more step… If you had to ask her out on a date in the first place, she’s not that into you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 06:43 PM
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I neither said nor implied any such thing. What I did say is that statistical distributions matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 06:25 PM
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Be thankful for your male friendships, they’re much more resilient. Men will fight and die for each other, women won’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 05:32 PM
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Statistics matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 05:21 PM
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Elon has at least 14 children by at least 4 different women. Your own example belies your point.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 05:18 PM
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You can deny the logic all you like, that doesn’t obviate the logic. Women (generally) enjoy sexual intimacy for the sake of sexual intimacy as much as men do, maybe more. They just want it with a tiny percentage of men. They will engage in it conditionally with a larger percentage. Your post refers to “the top percent of men,” and consequently the variance in the male and female distribution of attractiveness matters. Given the variance of the distributions, women surrender their sexual choice …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 03:14 PM
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This: Here’s your misunderstanding. It’s not the woman determining if she’s a casual gal or not. It’s the man she’s in the presence of that determines how she will operate.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 03:00 PM
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The math cares, and it says you’re wrong (because you’re trying to prove what you want to be true rather than trying to determine what is actually true).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 02:59 PM
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…and she determines that boundary based on the attractiveness of the man she is evaluating.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 02:56 PM
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A room of 10 men and 10 women is a complex social situation. Scale it up, same math applies (that’s the thing about percentages). But you are the sexual chooser. The men you want most definitely have a line and the line of women whom they find attractive enough for casual intimacy is much longer than yours. Noting here that your post speaks to “the top percentage of men,” which would be the 1 guy in your “line” that you actually find sexually attractive enough to pursue for casual intimacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 02:46 PM
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You haven’t done the math. In a room of 10 women and 10 men, 8 of the women are sexually attracted to 1 of the men and 3 of those women are so sexually attracted that they will be sexually intimate with that man casually. And those percentages are being generous to your argument. Men’s attractiveness to women takes the form of a heavily skewed Poisson distribution whereas women’s attractiveness to men is relatively normally distributed.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 02:41 PM
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Embracing Christ is the act of embracing truth (and thus RPed).
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 12:42 AM
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It is common, unfortunately, and incorrect, and misleading as it allows effeminate bloopers to broaden the term out to mean either “optimization” or “preference for that which ranks higher on an objective scale” which robs the concept of its true meaning and descriptive power. For example: a preference to receive $1,000 as opposed to receiving $100 is not hypergamy just as a preference to be sexually intimate with 1996 Salma Hayek as opposed to being sexually intimate with 2026 Rosie O’Donnell i…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 12:31 AM
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Lame attempts at social shaming (criticism = hate, only incels critique women)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 11:50 PM
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I’ll stick with the accurate denotation derived from the Greek etymology as doing so tends to cause less confusion and error than using a rando’s philosophical interpretation.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 07:39 PM
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Hypergamy does not mean “she wants the best she can get.” It literally means the tendency to marry “up” (better than oneself) in social status, for which financial means is often a signal.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 07:27 PM
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I made no assertion that I see “legions of strong and able men.” I did assert that we see more many men who are suitable for marriage to our daughters than we do women who are suitable for marriage to our sons. It’s a relative measure that reflects more on the paucity of suitable women than it does the plenitude of suitable men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 02:50 AM
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Yes, I stand corrected about your previous comment. Those traits are most definitely more common among men. Our society doesn’t indulge men to anywhere near the extent that it does women, and consequently men are far more frequently forced to uptake those traits or experience severe negative life outcomes (such as: jail, death from violence, suicide, etc). We can see this reflected in society through the debate over elective abortion. The leading cause of human death in the US by far is women ki…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 04:14 PM
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We are parents of several children and most of our friends have children. And yes, as we live a “ski bum” lifestyle in ski towns we also have many younger friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 03:26 PM
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They aren’t common to anyone, we are not looking for “common” marriage partners for our children because the “common” state of our society is disastrous. Our observations are relative (male to female), and that’s why we’re much more hopeful about our daughters finding good marriage partners than our sons. In part because our daughters will have substantially less competition than our sons as they have been well raised.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 03:21 PM
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They are pretty much listed at the beginning of that comment, but if we had to put a finer pen on it: Maturation out of the childish state of solipsism, prioritization of truth over wants, rejection of victim mentality, introspection, objective self-observation, objective self-critique, willingness to take responsibility for one’s own condition, humility, ability to think critically, curiosity.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 04:02 AM
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Our broader culture has become almost entirely emasculated. You can tell this because it hews to the oxymoronic idea of relative truth and generally views critique as “hateful.”
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 03:18 AM
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Our dating experiences are from over three decades ago and the current situation had its roots back then, but the impressions are from having observed the social environments in which our children have grown up over the last quarter century.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 03:05 AM
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https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/rUhZ6jsVIy
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 02:54 AM
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We find the pool of young women in our society (US working to 1%er class) to be much less mature, much more entitled, much more spoiled, much more selfish, substantially more off-base in what constitutes healthy values, significantly less thoughtful, and much less capable of being able to sustain a healthy LTR than the pool of young men on average. The ratio of young men in our broader social circle with whom we want our children to associate to young women in our broader social circle with whom…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 02:52 AM
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When my wife and I consider marriage prospects for our children, we are far more concerned about our sons’ ability to find suitable women than our daughters’ ability to find suitable men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 02:03 AM
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The word “provide” doesn’t mean “buy me stuff.” It (quite literally) means to simultaneously look ahead and toward the best interests of the one for whom the provision is being made. The provider role is a shepherding and leadership role. So, unless you are willing to be led, you’re not actually willing to be provided for.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 05:01 PM
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Yes, and the statistics are that you are much more likely to be harmed in a bear encounter than an encounter with a man. Also, statistically speaking, human females are somewhere on the order of 23,000% more likely to be killed by their own mothers than they are a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 04:06 PM
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Modern Western women have the safest, easiest, and most luxurious lives of any major demographic group of humans to ever have existed.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 03:52 PM
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RP philosophy is only a minority of the men who grew up within the feminist delusion. The tenets of RP philosophy are what most men understood for most of the history of the species, and what our fathers and uncles told us about women but we were were taught to ignore and call anachronistic and misogynist by the feminist delusion. Eventually truth outs, however. Women are the sexual selectors of Homo sapiens sapiens, you prefer (and thus select) men whom you feel are superior to you in some (or …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 03:29 PM
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To truly understand this, you need to understand the layers. Women are also attracted to social proof and competency which tend to run in communities. So… You maximize attraction when you’re the new and somewhat mysterious guy on the scene, who demonstrates competence in the community’s specialty, and your competence is at the level that other people have heard of you. Many men, meet their wives that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 03:24 PM
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Nope. We understand that perfectly well. Those are core tenets of RP philosophy’s take on what makes women attractive and good relationship partners. Men who have freed themselves from the feminist lies understand well that if women don’t admire us, respect us, appreciate us, and generally feel that we are their superior to themselves in many ways, they have a difficult time maintaining attraction to us and will make for poor long term relationship partners as a result (see: hypergamy). And we h…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 03:03 PM
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☝️This. Deep down women seek genetic diversity (which makes for healthier / hardier) offspring. Not that long ago and for the vast majority of human history, those who were inside “your community” were much more likely to have much less genetic distinction from you. This is why you get a lot more attention from women if you’re the “new guy on the scene” and/or if you have a bit of mystery about you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 02:48 PM
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The short answer is power. If you had actually researched RP philosophy you wouldn’t have asked this question or thought is was particularly difficult to answer. This is precisely why I suggested that it would behoove you to study the thing you wish to critique before critiquing it, lest you demonstrate your own ignorance publicly.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 05:02 AM
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That some men (such as yourself) use words which they don’t understand incorrectly does not speak to any particular philosophy. It only suggests that some men (such as yourself) speak inaccurately.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 04:55 AM
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Doesn’t seem that you have familiarized yourself with that which you seek to critique before critiquing it. RP philosophy distinguishes between the men women want for sexual intimacy and those whom women seek for marriage (because women do). You seem to be conflating the two. RP philosophy also doesn’t define the top men by looks alone (because women don’t). It would behoove you to study that which you seek to critique more closely.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 04:51 AM
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Hypergamy is the practice or tendency of marrying or dating a spouse of higher social, educational, or economic status… Source: Google AI …or you could just look at the etymology from the Greek.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 04:40 AM
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☝️Not an example of hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 04:38 AM
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I made no claim to equivalency between pregnancy, labor, childbirth, or any other use of one’s body for the benefit of one’s offspring. Yet, the facts remain that every year in the US more than 3 times as many men die using our bodies to produce sustenance and shelter for our children than do women, and we are legally required to do so until our children reach the age of majority.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 08:30 PM
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Well established scientific definitions of life exist and have existed for decades, if not at least 100 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 06:24 PM
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I never asserted that the government was “forcing (anyone) into a particular job.” We are, however, legally required to use our bodies to provide sustenance and shelter for our offspring until they reach the age of majority.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 06:21 PM
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You don’t pick labor off of trees. It is literally the use of one’s body to produce economic outcome inclusive of the use of each and every one of one’s organs. And again, each year in the US more than 3x as many men die in the act of using our bodies to produce sustenance and shelter for our offspring as do women doing the same inclusive of all of women’s deaths from complications resulting from pregnancy and childbirth. Yet we still are not so psychopathically selfish and cruel as to demand a …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 04:21 AM
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Actually, men are legally required to use our bodies to produce sustenance and shelter for our offspring until they reach the age of maturity under penalty of fines, income garnishment, and even imprisonment. And we are legally required to do so even though more than 3 times as many of us die in the act of using our bodies to produce sustenance and shelter for our offspring as do women every year.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 03:02 AM
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It’s not place dependent, it’s man dependent. If you’re attractive enough anyplace anytime works.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 02:57 AM
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That conservative women don’t enjoy sexual intimacy is an entirely fallacious presumption.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 02:49 AM
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I made no such assertion. I did assert that women do not own the bodies of their offspring (aka children) and do not have a special entitlement to kill them. Rather, (in civil societies) women, like men, have a responsibility to use their bodies to provide sustenance and shelter for their offsping (aka children).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 01:51 AM
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Your lack of understanding only reveals your lack of understanding the basic biology of sexual reproduction. Gametes do not have "the potential to become life." They are also scientifically classified as living cells, but as they do not have a full unique human DNA set, (unlike zygotes), they are not individual living members of the genus Homo (humans) in an early state of development. Rather, they are reproductive cells which are merely part either the male’s (in the case of sperm) or female's …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 01:41 AM
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I made no argument that the proper denotation of the word child determines that the act of killing another human being is violent. I did make the argument that the most accurate denotation of the word child does, in fact, uphold that elective abortion is, in fact, the act of killing one’s own child. I also made no assertion that the act of killing one’s own child “should be included in violence statistics.” I did assert that the act of killing one's own child via elective abortion is, in fact, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 01:20 AM
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Of course it does. Not a student of probabilistic math, eh?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 10:54 PM
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The scientific definition of life is not predicated on respiration. Google “do all living thing breathe?” The answer will be no. You really did sleep through 7th grade biology. 👀
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 10:52 PM
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The scientific definition of life is not predicated on respiration.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 10:51 PM
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That violence data does not capture killing certain classes of human beings does not make such killings any less violent. Violence data also doesn’t capture most sandbox fights, yet sandbox fights are still violent. At one point violence data did not include the whipping (and worse) of chattel slaves, yet such whippings (and worse) were still violent. The most accuate denotation of the English word “child” describes a relational state that is independent of state of development of the parties to…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 10:47 PM
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Women generally, as indicated in the plethora of evidentiary statistically sound studies I have referenced in this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 10:21 PM
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And now you’re just demonstrating your total ignorance of biological science. By all commonly accpeted scientific definitions of the word “life,” zygotes, embryos, and fetuses are most definitely alive.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 10:13 PM
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The most accuate denotation of the English word “child” describes a relational state that is independent of state of development of the parties to the relationship. For example: I am still accurately described as the “child” of my parents even though I have adult children of my own and both of my parents are deceased. The English word “child” is most accurately defined as “offspring." Fun Fact: The English word “fetus” is a loanword from the Latin “fetus” meaning (wait for it)... …”offspring” (a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 10:10 PM
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Only because of classification error. Women several kill orders of magnitude more humans each year in the US than do men (their own children no less). But their psychopathically selfish violence is not classiifed as crime.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 10:00 PM
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Why? Because some people argue for a supposed “right" to do so? Because some people (in an absolute denial of science) argue that certain classes of humans are not actually human? Unfortunately, human history is replete with certain more powerful groups of humans arguing that other less powerful groups of humans aren’t actually human in order to justify the wanton killing and enslavement of the less pwoerful groups of humans. Yet, such (actually) dinsingenous arguments of justification obviate n…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 09:57 PM
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Yes. It is the worst type of violence - the killing of another human, one’s own child, no less.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 09:51 PM
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Again, I never claimed that elective abortion is murder as murder is a legal fiction. However, elective abortion is still very much the killing of a living indiviual member of the genus Homo (aka a human being) that is the offspring (aka a child) of the woman who is electing to to kill him or her.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 09:49 PM
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It is not legally defined as a crime, but it is extremely violent. That you do not wish to assign merit does not obviate merit.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 08:48 PM
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And my response was, both, as both are the killing of one’s own children.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 08:47 PM
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I never claimed that elective abortion is murder. Murder is a legal fiction. Elective abortion is, however, the killing of one’s own child. Apparently you skipped basic biology in high school. There is a fundamental difference between a gamete (egg or sperm ) and a zygote, and that difference is that human gametes are not individual members of the genus Homo resulting from the sexual reproduction of a male and female human pair that happen to be in an early stage of development whereas zygotes, …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 08:47 PM
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Either way it’s women killing other human beings who happen to be their offspring (aka children), so both.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 08:40 PM
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The leading cause of human death in the US is women killing their own children, and they do so at least 4,600% more frequently than men kill anyone but ourselves in suicide. In fact, women feel so pathologically selfishly entitled to that ultimate level of violence that they shamelessly argue for a supposed legal “right” to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 08:35 PM
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Have been the nice “hawt” guy. Here’s what happens: ⁠All the girls flock to you at social events and then go home with your literal asshole associates who’re not as “hawt” (and some of whom hang out with you because all the girls flock to you and they know that the girls will get bored with your niceness and consideration). ⁠You wonder why this always happens and ask your (less “hawt”) friends who always close successfully. They tell you you’re too nice. ⁠You stop being nice and start being more…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 04:13 PM
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Factually: https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/dgiZ8k2sLv
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 10:04 AM
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Stop being delusional, it’s effeminate.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 08:23 AM
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The former is not hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 08:22 AM
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Psychopathy, narcissism, and Machiavellian behaviors are definitionally opposed to “niceness” and form the basis of being considered an asshole. Women are, indeed, attracted to assholes - likely because they have a naive and materialistic view of power and associate such behavior with power. https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/rfkcbQO9hk
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 08:17 AM
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I have neither stated nor implied any such thing. I have stated that women have a naive view of power and tend to conflate assertiveness, psychopathy, narcissism, and Machiavellian behavior with power and niceness with the lack of it (as demonstrated in the multitude of studies cited above).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 03:54 AM
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Women (generally) display the quality of not preferring niceness: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0146167214543879 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886913012245 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/pere.12168 http://web.simmons.edu/%7Eturnerg/MCC/Matechoice2PDF.pdf https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/9781119125563.evpsych113 https://www.academia.edu/14471033/Reproductive_strategies_and_relationship_preferences_associated_with_prestigious_…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 03:00 AM
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I neither stated nor implied any such thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 02:47 AM
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https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0146167214543879 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886913012245 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/pere.12168 http://web.simmons.edu/%7Eturnerg/MCC/Matechoice2PDF.pdf https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/9781119125563.evpsych113 https://www.academia.edu/14471033/Reproductive_strategies_and_relationship_preferences_associated_with_prestigious_and_dominant_men https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40806-…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 02:46 AM
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>Confident people are secure in themselves and don't need to have this performative nature to prove themselves Agreed, but women generally don’t see that. Thus: >Women are attracted to power but have a very naive view of power.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 02:14 AM
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That women tend to view niceness as obsequiouness in the face of being dominated as opposed to graciousness emanating from power is most certainly a reasonable basis for beliving that women have a very naive view of power.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 01:26 AM
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Women typically conflate niceness and the condition of being conciliatory with obsequiousness, particularly in men. They view niceness as a manipulative means to an end (because: projecting) rather than graciousness emanating from power. They expect (and desire) assertiveness as a means to an end from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 01:24 AM
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You will note that I said that women have a naive view of power. That is not my view.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 01:18 AM
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The second clause of that same sentence.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 01:16 AM
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I think this conclusion speaks more to your personal situation than anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 01:15 AM
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I made no such assertion. I did assert that women (generally) have a naive view of power and thus tend to view niceness as obsequiousness in the face of being dominated instead of grace signaling dominance.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 10:01 PM
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It’s not that the good looking guys get to be assholes. If you are good looking and a nice guy, you will be attractive to fewer women than if you were good looking and a bit of an ass. It’s that women actually prefer “asshole traits” to “nice traits.” Women are attracted to power but have a very naive view of power. To them “asshole traits” signal confidence and power and “nice traits” signal insecurity and weakness.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 08:10 PM
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That which does not kill us can make us stronger. That’s up to us.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 01:42 AM
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Pre-feminist societies inefficiently determined what jobs people could have based on their genitals. That meant those societies put a low performing men in important roles because they had a penis, and those same societies wasted potentially high performing women because they lacked a penis. ☝️False premise, which is a denial of science that relies on the fallacy that unevenly distributed outcomes are a function of inefficient sorting. Like all sexually reproducing animal species on the planet, …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 11:56 PM
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When said “struggle for equal rights” is devoid of equal responsibility, it is nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 11:23 PM
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Correlation =/= causation. It is true that societies in which men have developed extreme wealth tend to be societies in which the women garner extreme benefit from those men’s productivity. …and then those societies tend to become emasculated and more effeminate, and then the men get softer, birth rates decline precipitously, and then those societies collapse. We’re at the beginning of the collapse phase.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 09:49 PM
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☝️False.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 05:15 PM
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That you may not wish a thing to be true does not obviate the true thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 05:14 PM
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Most animals do not kill their own offspring. They will let weak ones die as a last resort but they do not kill them. The instances where animals do kill offspring are always the males killing the offspring of other males.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 05:12 PM
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Yes, killing another human being (one’s own child no less) is less moral than not caring for him or her.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 05:02 PM
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It would behoove you to actually familiarize yourself with the thing you wish to critique before critiquing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 04:56 PM
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☝️Alignment. Smart.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 04:54 PM
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The leading cause of human death in the US is women killing their own children. Women in the US kill their own daughters at a rate at least 2,236% more frequently than men kill anyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 04:45 PM
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What is true is that successful cons and manipulation rely on the greed or lust of the individual being conned or manipulated. It is impossible to con someone’s who has mastered their own subconscious desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 04:41 PM
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There is a theme within the RP community of “enjoying the decline,” but ultimately we realize that the destruction of civil society (and Western civilization in general) is a bad thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 04:37 PM
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Not if you are powerful (and thus attractive).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 04:32 PM
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The vast majority of men do. The drive to reproduce is an essential part of our nature. And you should be very thankful for that because it’s why you have any nice things at all and why Western women have the easiest and most luxurious lives of any major demographic group of human beings to ever have existed. Without that fundamental drive you would be subsistence living somewhere in constant danger.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 04:31 PM
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What appears like “not caring” isn’t actual not caring in general. It’s not caring in specific cases/situations because other specific cases/situations are readily available. When you have free VIP access to any restaurant in the city, you’re unlikely to care if one particular restaurant is closed. That doesn’t mean that you don’t care about eating. OTOH, if your only source of food is one particular restaurant in one particular neighborhood, you will care a great deal about whether that restaur…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 04:17 PM
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Conscious control over one’s own desires. Intelligence has almost nothing to do with being conned. Cons artists do not rely on out thinking their victims. Rather, they take advantage of their victim’s own greed and lust (for sex, money, power, fame, etc) by using their victims’ lack of control over their own sub-conscious desires to override their conscious thought process.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 04:11 PM
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The core ethos of RP philosophy is men taking responsibility for their own situations by recognizing what is true based on empirical evidence and acting accordingly. It would behoove you to actually familiarize yourself with the thing you wish to critique before critiquing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 04:05 PM
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“Manosphere content” has been “getting men laid” since before there was a “manosphere” or the even the concept of “content.” It’s nothing more than the same understanding of women’s true nature that men have been passing along to each other for thousands of years - and that’s how long it’s been working. It only seems “edgy” now because feminism and single motherhood disrupted the clean transmission of that knowledge for the generations growing up in the 40 years between 1970 and 2010.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 12:50 AM
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One’s “self” changes as one grows, develops, and matures. Smart people incorporate sound advice from others into that process in order to achieve better life outcomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 03:00 PM
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Not in the US we can’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 01:14 AM
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True. We shouldn’t simp and we should flee from women who prostitute themselves for other utility. But some dudes are just too thirsty because they have no other options.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 11:45 PM
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Make excuses to play victim all you like, and continue to be a victim… …or take responsibility for your role in creating your own situations, and cease being a victim. Pro Tip: The second option leads to better life outcomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 11:02 PM
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Can I see if GMO are in the food?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 10:37 PM
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The hook in every scam, lie, or con job is the promise of a return for less than the expected requisite effort. That’s why the lies work. It is one’s own lust for “easier” gain that entraps one in any scam, lie, or con job. Lose the lust for easy gain and scams / lies / con jobs become as obvious as the difference between night and day.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 09:17 PM
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You might wish to reread that which I actually wrote. The use of the word “natural” in food labeling can be (and typically is) very misleading while still legal. Similarly the omission of GMO labeling is lying by omission, and legal.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 09:11 PM
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Most foods have many different “labels,” not just official nutrition labels. You may wish to reread that which I actually wrote. It is accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 09:06 PM
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Correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 06:49 PM
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Every scam is predicated on the scammer presenting an opportunity to get something for less effort than expected. And when I was caring for my elderly father with dementia, I was able to observe the pattern first hand extensively.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 04:18 PM
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You can only be lied to effectively if you want to be lied to. All victims of cons are really just victims of their own greed. If one is self-conscious enough to actually seek truth and one has mastered one’s own greed, it is virtually impossible to be effectively lied to or conned.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 04:02 PM
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When you see “unhappiness” so clearly in others, the modal probability is that it’s little more than a repressed reflection of your own actual state. You’d be better off sticking to the topic at hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 03:57 PM
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The thing you should learn is that you can’t trust yourself unless you’ve actually done the work to understand what good and healthy food is, and garnered enough mastery over your own subconscious to align what you want with what is actually good for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 03:49 PM
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…which is why two parent father led homes are important.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 03:38 PM
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Lame attempts to socially shame do not make for sound counter-argument. If you have a sound critique of his assertion, feel free to make it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 03:36 PM
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And the labels are full of lies at the store too (no GMO labeling, “natural” scams, etc). In both cases caveat emptor is the rule of the day and the shopper has a responsibility to think critically.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 03:34 PM
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I would add that the really good healthy food (see: grass fed beef and organic pork belly) is also considerably more expensive, thus requiring the shopper to have put in more effort ahead of time to be able to purchase it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 03:30 PM
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Men have a choice to make ourselves powerful enough to attract women. And that is a choice. Fortunately for us, women are attracted to power expressed in some combination of physically, socially, financially, intellectually and spiritually. Because there are 5 different dimensions of power expression and because different women are attracted to different combinations of those dimensions, we have a plethora of power expression vectors to pursue. But pursue a vector of power we must if we wish to …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 04:48 AM
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What is nonsensical is to include children in the base population that men should be targeting for sexual intimacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 12:15 AM
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Again, we don’t use the “female population” as a base because the vast majority of the “female population” are children, married, otherwise already partnered, or well beyond child bearing ability.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 11:36 PM
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We don’t include children, married women, women with boyfriends, and women beyond the age of childbearing in the population of women that men are seeking for sexual relationships for good reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 10:07 PM
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Given that the majority of non-widowed single adult women are in the 18 to 24 age range and men rate women’s attractiveness according to a standard normal distribution, it’s likely about 4x - 5x that amount.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 08:15 PM
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The difference is that “young and attractive without makeup” is substantially more than 3% of the population of single women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 07:57 PM
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Feel free to share said “surveys and statistics.”
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 07:58 PM
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Most (American) women arent eagerly jumping into a guy’s bed just because he’s hot False premise.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 07:31 PM
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As I said, sexual reproduction is the only reason that the two sexes even exist, and is therefore the only reason that we have intersexual pair bonding relationships. That’s just the science of the matter. Everything else is only justification for delusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 02:45 PM
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As I said, the two sexes wouldn’t even exist if it were not for sexual reproduction. The entire reason we have intersexual coupling relationships is for sexual reproduction.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 02:13 PM
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It aligns with the root cause for the relationship, whereas the non-sexual utility does not. Therefore, actual love can (and biology shows us frequently does) flow from sexual attraction but sexual attraction (which aligns with the root cause of relationship) does not flow from the non-sexual utility and then the relationship does not have alignment with its root cause (and purpose) and is therefore less stable.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 02:05 PM
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…which is not the same because the entire reason that we couple in the first place is for sexual reproduction. It’s the reason that the two sexes even exist. Were it not for sexual reproduction, we would be asexual and likely reproduce by budding or parthenogenesis and there would be no intersexual coupling relationships. The sexual utility women get from being in the sexual coupling aligns with the root reason for the coupling.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 01:39 PM
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This is one of those things that women say about themselves and then do the opposite. That is not our experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 02:41 AM
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Women often pretend that the two are distinct, but that is not our general experience interacting with women. “Deep love” and “emotionally valued” which lacks the strong sexual attraction more often actually means “I like the things that he does for me and, more specifically, the utility which he produces for me.” It’s conditional on producing that utility and therefore not actually particularly deep love for us (individually) as anything more than useful objects - think: I “love” my motorcycles…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 02:35 AM
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So, exactly how does one prostrate oneself to or obey a broad ideological principle like “truth” or “doing the right thing?” In what way, exactly, are “truth” and “doing the right thing” dominant entities, or entities at all for that matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 06:45 PM
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Exactly how does one prostrate oneself to truth or the right thing, or obey either for that matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 06:25 PM
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Perhaps you are this obtuse. To watch and observe behavior =/= spying on random women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 02:16 PM
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Asking disingenuous questions in lame attempts to social shame is also a fallacious and ineffective rhetorical tactic. I neither stated nor implied any such thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 11:35 AM
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I made no refernce to obeying, or to prostrating, or to institutions.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 02:09 AM
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Being intentionally obtuse is not an effective means of counter-argument. I wasn’t “trying to imply” any such thing. Rather, my words were quite precise and very clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 08:32 PM
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☝️Literally advocating that it’s better to live in delusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 06:54 PM
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That line of thinking falsely presumes that men generally don’t have extensive experience interacting with (or even observing) women’s sexual choice patterns and behaviors. From the time that we enter puberty until well into our thirties or later we have an intense focus on observing and trying to understand women’s sexual choice patterns and behaviors (aka an intense mating drive). We watch who you actually choose more closely than you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 06:38 PM
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This line of thinking is based in the false presumptions that women have perfect (or even just good) knowledge of themselves and their subconscious motivations, and that women prioritize speaking the truth about themselves over proclaiming that which makes them feel best about themselves or that which they find strategically more beneficial. Given that neither of those presumptions hold, and that men are generally the sexual pursuers, the most probable conclusion is that men who are very success…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 03:04 PM
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It most certainly applies to men, but the way in which we are raised when we have had strong fathers or male role models inculcates that into our being. And if we were not raised by strong fathers, life as a man will inculcate that instinct fairly quickly because society holds us accountable to being delusional. Being a delusional man is a quick way to end up dirt poor, homeless, in jail, or dead.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 02:45 PM
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The ability to subordinate one’s wants and submit oneself to that which is true and right is always important.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 06:45 AM
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If you want to understand drop the false premises and victim mentality, and focus on being introspective, objectively self-observant, and objectively self-critical.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 04:38 PM
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A question rooted in a false premise is disingenuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 04:33 PM
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Our entire empirical system of understanding (aka “the scientific method”) is based on observation. It works pretty well. It’s the reason you’re able to type out this ☝️garbage from a small handheld device and have people all over the world read it almost instantaneously and 10 years later.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 03:31 PM
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☝️False premise. Before you critique something, it would behoove you to actually try to understand the thing you’re critiquing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 03:28 PM
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Women currently sexually harass and assault men all the time. They just don’t get held accountable for it because men don’t play victim. If I had been one tenth as gropey and assaulty with women as women have been with me over my life (including when I was a child) I’d still be in jail.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 03:00 AM
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Avoid women who use (or have used, or would use) dating apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 04:41 PM
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Read this, and be sure to read the women’s critical comments so that you can see that you should never trust what women have to say on the matter: https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/FSKuUw4UBT Women will say whatever makes them feel good about themselves (which is sometimes whatever they think will make you feel good about yourself) with absolutely no grounding in what is true. Pay no mind to what they say, watch what they choose.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 03:51 PM
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I made no assertion whatsoever about an “ideal society.” I doubt believe that such exists (or could exist). Please stick to criticism of what I actually say.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 03:35 PM
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Apparently not to you, but (sorry to say) they do to the men whom they find very attractive, and they frequently do so very aggressively.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 08:46 AM
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“Progressive” politics feeds on victim mentality.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 06:31 AM
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OP, women are much more observant, selective, and quicker to evaluate than we typically are. They frequently select the men to whom they are sexually attracted before we even notice them, and then they make themselves very available to us, and make their interest obvious. If women need you to show them that you’re interested before they signal that they’re interested, you’re already losing. Women are the sexual selectors, they choose us. Be attractive (aka powerful), and they will choose you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 06:01 AM
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You have a distorted view of that of which patriarchy comsists, likely because you’ve bought into the feminist nonsense and the emasculation of society.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 05:19 AM
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☝️This is how you continue to have “lots of friends” and no lovers. OP, you’ve already tried this. How has it worked out for you thus far? Why would that change? If women aren’t already flirting with you aggressively enough to get you into bed with them, they will only find your attempts to step up flirtation off-putting. As I said, don’t listen to what women say, WATCH WHAT THEY CHOOSE.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 05:14 AM
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Thing is, power is difficult to fake on all but the most unsophisticated of women. You actually have to legitimately excel in at least one (and preferably a few) of the types of power expression, discover the niche of women who are attracted to the types of power expression in which you excel, and ride the wave of confidence that your excellence in those areas generates. Reading comprehension?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 05:10 AM
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Ignore all the nonsense about being “socially stunted,” and stop listening to what women say but instead observe how they behave (and specifically whom they choose for sexual intimacy). You’re likely too safe and easy to read because you lack mystery and women have no sense that you might actually be dangerous (and thus adventurous and entertaining). You’re likely the nice guy, and as you are discovering, nice guys starve. That’s almost certainly why you have many friends but no lovers. Women ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 03:19 AM
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State managed businesses tend to make things more expensive, not cheaper. They do shift cost from consumers to taxpayers, but that doesn’t make the product any “cheaper.”
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 02:12 AM
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Feminism required mass adoption of a victim-mentality and sympathy for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 07:23 PM
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They “think it’s great” in theory until you actually move to make it reality. When the reality starts occurring to them (either prior to or during actual implementation), they reverse course immediately.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 05:34 PM
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This is easily solved by offering to switch roles completely. As much as women complain, most won’t do it and if they are naive enough to do so they’ll ask to switch back in short order.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 04:07 PM
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Yes, your point does stand as perfect evidence of mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 03:51 PM
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It’s why men shouldn’t listen to women’s advice but women should listen to men’s. Women tend to say whatever either makes them feel good about themselves or what they think will make you feel good about yourself (aka lie). Men tend to say what they actually think will actually solve your problem (aka tell the truth). We all know this. That you are so averse to recognizing it only demonstrates my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 03:43 PM
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Because women lie and men tell the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 03:34 PM
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Of course, but the point is that I consciously control that which I find genuinely attractive. And I neither asserted that any outcome would be guaranteed nor that “everything” would be under my control - only that what I find attractive is under my conscious control.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 01:01 AM
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Ha! That’s the way to go. I had a big breakthrough when I realized that my attraction cues were centered on women that other people would find especially attractive because of my own insecurities - a trap which led me to only dating women that everyone else would agree were “hot,” but whose company I never really enjoyed, while ignoring women whose company I might have really enjoyed but wouldn’t have been universally acknowledged as “hot.”
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 12:51 AM
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I became conscious of my particular attraction cues and changed them by creating associative links. From a physical perspective: I converted make-up into a turn-off, natural hair on black women into a turn-on (plus fake hair to a turn-off); and I expanded my attraction cues to include women with thinner frames (I used to be repulsed by particularly skinny women), flatter chests, and quirky facial features; and I also shifted my attraction cues to be centered on an older age range (particularly a…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 12:26 AM
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Then your reading comprehension is quite poor indeed.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 05:33 PM
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I have since I was in my early twenties. The only reason you feel as though “it’s outside of mine” is your failure to have worked on expanding your self-consciousness. Work on always being honestly introspective, objectively self-observant, and, most importantly, objectively self-critical. Take internal responsibility for everything negative that “happens to you” and interrogate yourself on why you made the series of decisions that landed you in any particular circumstance until you arrive at th…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 05:20 PM
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“What you’re attracted to” can be within your conscious control, and therefore should be moderated by many things, including your own attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 05:10 PM
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Given that you just made an argument that the variation of a given metric belies the existence of the normative, you have demonstrated that you pay no attention to sound statistical evidence. That you condition your attention on whether or not it makes you feel good about yourself only further exemplifies your disdain for facts and preference for delusion. That the pursuit of truth itself doesn’t enrich your life is just sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 07:21 PM
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High tier men see women for who they actually are (aka are red pilled). Otherwise agree that mid tier men are more likely to deluded by the lies (aka are blue pilled).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 06:17 PM
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Funny how you criticize me for sharing my personal experience, but not her for low key trying to socially shame me by implying that I had a small penis (“…if you’re looking for more things to feel like a victim about…”) - which funnily enough undermines her whole point. This type of thing is why women have no credibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 05:58 PM
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You have already made it clear that statistically sound evidence is less important to you than clinging to that which you desire to believe. However, that’s just you preferring delusion to reality. That statistical distributions exist does not obviate measurable normative behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 05:52 PM
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https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0133079 https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1219361110 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23006745/
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 05:41 PM
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You may think the statistical evidence is nonsensical all you like. That you choose to disbelieve the statistical evidence does not obviate the statistical evidence. And as for me, I used to think that being large was a bit of a curse when I was very young as it definitely played a role in being turned down for sex when I was a teenager. But as I suggested, the tables turn 180 degrees once you hit your early twenties and being large plays to your significant benefit. I just think that men should…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 05:11 PM
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That is what women say, but it’s not how women act: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0133079 https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1219361110 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23006745/ We react to how you act. While it is true that some women will turn you down for being large, especially when you are younger, being large has a substantially more positive effect on your overall attractiveness to women than being average, especially once you’re over low to mid twen…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 04:56 PM
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Exactly. The more attractive you are the more you see of the real behavior which exposes the societal lies - and it’s not pretty. Less attractive men don’t often get to see just how differently women behave towards certain men. Some suspect, but generally they have no idea. For me it really hit home when I started traveling more for work and was more directly confronted with how differently I was being treated compared to the average dude. Once you start seeing what life is really like for avera…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 04:32 PM
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Nope. “The pill you choose” is more highly correlated with the extent of your experience with women and your personal propensity to discover truth even when it’s uncomfortable. The more attractive you are the more you witness women’s actual behaviors up close and the less you believe the hype.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 03:45 PM
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We care because you care.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 03:35 PM
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You made assertions that were not accurate for the purpose of trying to make a tangential (and irrelevant) point via hyperbole.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 11:32 PM
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Women were considered citizens prior to the 19th amendment. And the ECOA did not grant women “the right to own bank accounts.”
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 10:45 PM
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I did not make reference to specific legislation. You did.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 10:37 PM
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Please cite the specific legislation to which you refer.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 08:26 PM
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What did we select? A: We selected which women received the benefit of our productivity and protection, not the women with whom we were able to be sexually intimate.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 06:01 PM
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Yes, you are required to potentially sacrifice your time to adjudicate the guilt or innocence of your peers just as men are required to potentially sacrifice our lives for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 04:28 PM
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You might wish to re-read that comment more closely and then delete this line of your prior comments lest you leave behind evidence of your poor reading comprehension for eternity.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 04:08 PM
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You are not legally required to donate your organs. Men in the US are legally required to register for Selective Service. Also, your organs are not harvested until after you die from other means. War actually is the means by which men die.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 04:06 PM
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When you pose a question based on two separate false premises, it tends not to make any logical sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 03:01 PM
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☝️Doesn’t understand the economic concept of a “market.”
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 02:59 PM
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Your question makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 02:58 PM
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Dating (or mate selection) is perhaps the most fundamental and longest standimg market in human history.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 02:52 PM
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☝️Naive view of US politics.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 02:50 PM
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I never asserted that we did.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 02:49 PM
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When they do it only adds evidence for men who have eyes to see.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 02:48 PM
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The idea of “sexual selection” is an economic one. Think “sellers market” vs. “buyers market.”
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 02:41 PM
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…so women (generally) are the sexual selectors. As I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 02:38 PM
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Whether or not we (individually) have actually fought in a war is irrelevant. We are legally required to risk ourselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 02:37 PM
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I did not describe an “ideal society” in my comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 02:35 PM
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In the US all men are required to register for Selective Service (aka the draft) when we reach the age of majority. The majority of American welfare recipients are women and US women are also consume the majority of social security, Medicare, and Medicaid benefits while men are the majority contributors.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 07:27 AM
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In the US, over the last almost 100 years via lawmaking.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 07:20 AM
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The same way we come to know anything, observation, rational deduction, and hypothesis testing. And we have quite good historical records of sociological and anthropological data for extensive backwards observation.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 06:31 AM
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If men had the power of sexual selection, virtually no men would go sexless and the vast majority would be having a lot more sex than they do. We don’t actually have that power. And if men had the power to select which women received the benefits of our protection and productivity, there would be no DEI programs, no welfare, and no concept of deadbeat dads.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 06:29 AM
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Men are not the sexual selectors of the species. We are the sexually selected. We used to be able to select which women received the benefit of our protection and productivity, but even that power has been removed from us by government.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 06:04 AM
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Your “accredited source” is likely unfamiliar with the etymology of the word, or its historical usage. So, I wouldn’t give much credit to its accreditation. And having spent much of my working life as one of the top .1% (and all of it in the top 1%) of “breadwinners” in the US, I am well versed in the difference between earning income for one’s family and actually being a provider (much of the difference being the quality of one’s wife’s understanding of the difference).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 04:10 AM
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You ignore the actual etymologically derived denotative meaning of the word and one of it’s earliest uses with respect to marriage stemming from the Bible in order to craft your own definition which corrupts it into “buy stuff for me.” Typically feminine.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 03:25 AM
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The English word “provide” is a combination of the Latin words “pro” (meaning “ahead” or “towards”) and “video/videre” (meaning “to look” or “to see”). The act of “providing” is literally a shepherding role in which the role of the “provider” is literally to simultaneously look ahead to the future and look towards the best interests of others from a position of leadership. You will note that this meaning is quite different from the “buy me stuff” meaning that has become the corrupted connotative…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 12:37 AM
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We should do that, but there are two significant issues preventing it: We are not the sexual selectors of the species, women are, and The “therapy” industry caters to an emascualted culture and discourages the requisite “raw, difficult growth." Rather, what is needed is the eleimination of victim culture and a general societal willingness to allow women to suffer the consequences of their own decision-making (aka a re-masculinzation of our culture via male leadership).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 08:11 PM
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Men become adherents of RP philosophy because they have a lot of interaction with women. RP philosophy is essentially that which all experienced men used to understand about women and then pass down to our sons and nephews until that wisdom got disrupted by the lies propagated by feminism and an emasculated culture. Modern RP is just men returning to that which we used to learn as boys from our more experienced elders.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 07:09 PM
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Yes, all people can (and do) feel (near) instant attraction. They just don’t feel that for most people. And men should never enter into LTRs with women who do not feel that for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 05:51 PM
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Very few men actually have other contemporaneous options, so yes quite a lot of men are “fine with waiting.”
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 05:49 PM
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The definitive demonstration of sexual attraction is engaging in sexual intimacy. Define “emotional intimacy”.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 05:48 PM
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Repeating a point because it is central to understanding is not desperation. Feel free to quote whatever I have actually written, do not put words in my mouth. Assessing utility and the willingness to exchange it, necessarily takes more time than assessing being because the former is an extension to the latter. It doesn’t take any time at all, to care about someone else unless that caring is contingent on receipt of some other utility.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 05:46 PM
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You will find that if you are focused on evaluating the person for his or her being without regard to what utility that person can and is willing to offer you the time required shortens substantially. The friend zone exists. Women are rarely turned on by their “friends.”
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 07:18 AM
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You only become the lesser option when you signal that you’re not attracted enough to him to not see sexual intimacy transactionally by playing the “waiting game.” We want women who want us. If we have options we will choose women who actually want us over those who only want us conditionally and are willing to use sex transactionally. That a man waits is no indication that he does not “only” see you sexually. Rather, it just means that he’s desperate.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 07:13 AM
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That is not what you asked previously. Yet it is still irrelevant as the fact remains that individual women just like every other human treat individual men differently, and if she is “making you wait” then it is because she is not attracted enough to you to desire sexual intimacy without requiring that you offer her some other utility. Her desire for sexual intimacy with you is conditional on you producing that other utility for her, and that means that she is not attracted enough to you for a …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 07:00 AM
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Nope, you just repel the men who have other options. The men that wait aren’t waiting because “they don’t see you in a sexual light.” They wait because they have to.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 04:19 AM
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None of which requires very much time at all to form and all of which is intertwined with sexual intimacy. What does take time to analyze is whether or not one will be able to garner some other utility from the person in question.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 04:14 AM
1

That sexual intimacy happens quickly does not necessarily make it casual.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 04:09 AM
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The idea that “connection” and sexual intimacy are independent of each other is both foolish and oxymoronic. The word “connection” is being used as a substitute for something else (likely the exchange of some other utility).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 04:08 AM
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Those are just the men with fewer options.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 03:42 AM
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Irrelevant (and frankly, nonsensical) question. The facts are that individual women do indeed treat different men very differently, inclusive of men that they date. If you are the man with whom she is choosing to “be slow about sex” then unless she is a virgin, you’re almost certainly not the right man for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 01:56 AM
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Of course there are. But that they haven’t doesn’t mean that they won’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 01:30 AM
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Likewise, if a woman is picky and slow about sex, she’s gonna be that way with every guy. This is decidedly false. Women are human and (like all humans) react very differently to different humans. Just because a woman is “slow about sex” with you does not at all mean that she will be that way with every man. Like I said, women are human and they react very differently to different men. In fact, the more picky they are, the more their reactions to men are likely to vary. This is obvious to anyone…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 11:58 PM
1

That it lacks coherence does not mean that it cannot be understood. Two different words with two different meanings.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 01:52 AM
1

That your “therefore” assertion is false (and thereby destroys the coherence of the entire statement) is actually “your fault.”
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 12:56 AM
1

Women enjoy getting “instantly naked” for men to whom they are truly (read: actively) attracted. Women enjoy sex as much as we do (maybe even more) and tend to be as excited as we are about being sexually intimate with those to whom they are actively (read: actually) sexually attracted.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 10:08 PM
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If you are going to critique Red Pill Philosophy, critique the actual philosophy. The implication being that you should read the philosophy before critiquing it. I’ll sum it up in two sentences. Women are naturally attracted to power. If you want women, get powerful. That’s the essence of taking accountability. That said, it is a fact that women are the sexual selectors of our species. And the core message of taking accountability is a fundamental recognition of that (or any) truth and then adap…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 10:50 PM
1

Of course it does, thus Red Pill Philosophy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 09:37 PM
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Recognizing that the things about which you complain are most likely of your own making and then being honestly introspective, objectively self observant, and objectively self critical enough to prioritize truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 08:19 PM
1

…because women (generally) want to be taken at their word and our society doesn’t hold them to it as often as it does men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 03:34 PM
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U make da bet u deal w/ it's consequences brutha …and that’s why I initially structured the bet the way I did. But yes, I should have said “…we aren’t living like Bonobos…” (which, unlike other apes, are matriarchal).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 03:30 PM
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Betting on mine would asymmetrically favor you in the bet. I’d rather have the asymmetrical advantage. And yes, we aren’t living like apes (or any matriarchal human society) because we have largely been patriarchal since the invention of agriculture. “Adapt” (I think you mean adopt) the behaviors and you get the lifestyle.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 02:57 PM
4

The Federal Reserve (aka the banking cartel) is the cause of inflation (which is expansion of the money supply, not higher aggregate prices).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 02:16 AM
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…which creates inflation and a higher cost of living due to less men to produce labor for goods and services which means you pay more for goods and services… Nope. Inflation is expansion of the money supply at a faster rate than the expansion of economic productivity, which has the effect of increasing aggregate prices (resulting from monetary devaluation). ☝️is caused by the mandated use of a standard intermediate good (aka a money) which has a near zero marginal cost of production and the supp…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 02:06 AM
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Men assault their partners about as much as women do, probably less given the reporting bias. And it’s uncommon that we have major anger problems because those usually result in extremely harsh consequences for us.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 11:46 PM
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That might actually work if you would be wiling to live like a Bonobo (or even any human matriarchal society), but I’ll bet your entire net worth that you wouldn’t last a week living like a Bonobo.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 09:58 PM
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If I had intended to make an argument, I would have made one. However, the negation of your statement did not require an argument. The simple assertion of fact was sufficient to highlight your category error and the absurdity of your comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 09:02 PM
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Correct. It is a factual statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 08:11 PM
0

We are animals.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 06:47 PM
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That women act like children in many ways does not mean that they are children. Rather, it just means that they have a particular set of similarities. Both men and women act like chimpanzees in many ways. This does not mean that we are chimpanzees.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 04:58 PM
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The idea that men and women are somehow unlike every other sexually reproducing animal species on the planet and do not exhibit significant sexual dimorphism of behavior and intrasexual commonality of behavior is a delusional denial of science.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 04:54 PM
1

Simping
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 05:34 AM
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Fair point, but attempting to assign some consistent objective reaction to a consistent set of external variables is where you err. What they say has no relationship to what is actually true or to what they actually think. Women will say whatever makes them feel best about themselves at any given time. The external variables will be who is observing and a solipsistic view of what the observers might think about her answer and the solution will be “whatever makes me look best in observer’s eyes b…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 11:22 PM
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Nope. I have carefully observed what women actually choose and then acted accordingly. As I said, listening to what women say (especially gender-confused women) is a fool’s errand.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 10:23 PM
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As I said above.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 08:59 PM
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Of course you do, his view is more favorable to your ego (even if less accurate).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 08:41 PM
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You missed a key element of my point: Women have extremely limited conscious understanding of what they actually want. They make decisions based entirely on very fickle emotions/feelings - which themselves are just the conscious ripples of unexplored (and thus subconscious) thoughts and motivations. So they actually can’t really tell you, which is why they default to saying “just be yourself” or (more realistically) saying whatever makes them feel good about themselves to say even though it is c…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 07:59 PM
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Women do not value authenticity at all. If they did, “just be yourself” would work fine. It doesn’t work because what they actually value is a very specific set of traits which signal power - and power is relative. You can broadly bucket the traits into 5 “power” categories; physical, social, financial, intellectual, and spiritual. Different women will be attracted to different combinations of power signaled in those 5 categories, but all women will respond positively to some combination of thos…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 05:09 PM
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Your problem is taking women at their word instead of at their deeds. Pay no mind to the former and observe the latter closely.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 03:03 AM
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It’s not about expectation as much as it is about women setting the standards by which they will be evaluated via their behaviors. As a man, if a woman has “hooked up” with other men, but doesn’t want to “hook up” with me, then I know that I am less sexually attractive to her than those other men and she is therefore a less suitable candidate for any sort of meaningful relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 04:49 PM
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Almost everyone I have known could have been accurately described as desiring $100,000,000. Less than .1% of the people I have known have had the will to pursue obtaining $100,000,000.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 02:08 AM
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You have a much better chance of maintaining it over a longer term if it was there to begin with than if it wasn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 09:29 PM
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If you have not figured this out by now, remember this: Women rarely argue in good faith and they tend to view truth as subjective.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 07:29 PM
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This is very straightforward. Women enjoy sex as much as men do (maybe even more). However, women enjoy sex with a substantially smaller percentage of men than men do with women. Thus, women are generally much more selective about their sexual partners than are men. In their selection process women’s sexual attraction tends to place men into one of three buckets, the largest of which is “not sexually attracted.” When women are sexually attracted, their attraction falls into two categories, passi…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 05:19 PM
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The extent to which we are thinking “what can I get?” instead of “what can I give?” is the extent to which we will be less compatible with others.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 01:53 AM
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Difficult experiences present our best opportunities to mature our characters and come into our full capacity as human beings. It has been my experience that those who avoid difficult things because they are difficult, are typically less interesting people with less to offer the world. In the case of my wife, she leveled up each and every time (of the several) that she gave birth to one of our children naturally and at home. Women in modern Western society rarely face truly hard things. Giving b…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 01:42 AM
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Being a responsible father to children. The wicked stepmother trope is a trope for good reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 01:16 AM
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For Men Only offer LTRs to women who: Are actively (ie not conditionally) sexually attracted you, and Actively pursue you, and Understand that you have many other options, and Would be just as eager to be with you if you had nothing as when you have everything, and most importantly Can be honestly introspective, objectively self-observant, and objectively self critical
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 12:48 AM
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If you want a peek into what a matriarchal society looks like, just look at the black American community of today. In the almost 100 years between my parents’ birth and now, the move towards a matriarchal structure ripped through our broader community (and my family) leaving devastation in its wake.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 05:53 AM
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Our species’ reactions to potential sexual opportunities are older than the species itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 08:49 PM
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Half a century is about .02% of the existence of the species. It takes much longer than that for fundamental aspects of our nature to change. For example it’s been 10,000 years since we first started farming and we still haven’t adapted to an agricultural diet.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 04:55 PM
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This line of thinking presumes that society is comprised of something other than a collection of individuals. It also improperly conflates “democracy” with an individual’s ability to express preferential choice in a market. And thus, makes little sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 06:30 PM
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There was a time when most boys learned the true nature of women from their fathers and uncles, retained it through their adulthood, and passed it on to children of their own. Additionally, that truth was etched into our literature. Mine is really the first generation that was taught to disregard our fathers and uncles as being anachronistic male chauvinists and believe the lies.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 07:04 AM
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The “anger, bitterness, and resentment” are largely the result of being lied to by women and an effeminate society and shaping oneself according to the lies only to discover that they were lies. It could be virtually eliminated if society just told the truth about women and their behaviors in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 04:52 AM
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Maturation (and the subsequent growth) is a constant process that continues throughout our lives. We are never prefect (in the literal sense from the Latin meaning “finished”), even if we are constant striving towards it. The correct question is: Am I struggling with the same issues which I have in the past? A: For the most part, no.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 09:03 PM
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Because if you are not solving issues then you are subject to those issues and living a less intentional (and conscious) life.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 08:55 PM
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The best basketball players successfully layup in many different (and creative) ways depending on the situation because they are so well practiced. You notice the guys who are are not well practiced, the ones who are most well practiced feel natural (and creative) to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 05:11 PM
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As I said, you’re only noticing the guys with poor tactics and strategy. It’s the one’s who you think are “off script” that are the best at the tactics and strategy. They’re not actually “off script,” they’re just on a more tactically and strategically sound script. Women are highly selective, only the tiniest percentage of men are “naturally” attractive to women, and even those men end up having to develop strategies and tactics because women are always subconsciously shopping us and comparing …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 05:03 PM
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You feel it from guys who are poor with the strategy and tactics, it feels “natural” with the guys who’re good with the strategy and tactics.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 04:35 PM
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And that’s because you have unexplored (and thus uncontrolled) thought patterns (aka feelings) and resulting behaviors which affect their outcomes. So, “just going with the flow” is less likely to create positive outcomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 03:58 PM
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No they aren’t. If you’re not consciously processing the underlying thoughts, motivations, and drivers you can’t properly hold yourself accountable and then go on to solve issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 03:54 PM
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There is a process (and thus both strategy and science) to building connections and developing relationships with people.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 03:46 PM
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“Feelings” are just unexplored series of thoughts that are directed by the subconscious. Remaining ignorant of those thoughts and the subconscious direction underlying them leaves you at their whim. Men (generally) don’t have the room to be so unaccountable.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 03:44 PM
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Personhood is a legal construct (also called a legal fiction). At one point my great grandfather was also not “a person” and was enslaved because he was not “a person.” Yet, he (like the zygotes, embryos, and fetuses resulting from human sexual reproduction) was still a living human individual. Edit: Kill the poor and unfortunate because death is better than life for them? That’s spectacularly cruel. Both of my grandfathers grew up picking cotton for their sharecropper fathers (one of whom had b…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 06:55 PM
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You are a clump of cells. Though human history is replete with examples of some more powerful groups of humans redefining less powerful groups of humans as “not actually human beings” in order to justify the oppression and mass killing of those other less powerful groups, such redefinitions do not hold up to scientific scrutiny. Scientifically, the zygotes, embryos, and fetuses resulting from the sexual reproduction of a human male and female are: 1. Living, and 2. Members of the genus Homo (aka…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 06:37 PM
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The leading cause of human death in the US is women killing their own children, merely because they find the burden of care for them inconvenient. They do so at a rate at least 4,600% greater than men kill anyone but ourselves in suicide. And women actively argue for a supposed “right” to do so. That’s certainly not love.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 04:47 PM
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Yes they can, but it doesn’t come naturally to them and takes a lot of introspection, objective self observation and objective self critique for them to develop. Unfortunately, introspection, objective self observation, and objective self critique are anathema to women (generally), and thus few ever develop the capacity to love (even their own children).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 05:28 AM
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Not if you understand English.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 11:11 AM
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There is a standard protocol, which is very much socially agreed upon. Men present themselves as powerful and then women try to determine whether the power that those men are presenting is actually legitimate, and then if legitimate, sufficient for them to partner with (and ultimately submit to) in mating and reproducing. The problem arises when we collectively lie about this underlying protocol in order to appeal our own egoistic proclivities. That’s where the lack of clarity enters.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 02:30 AM
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It has been my experience that women have a range of reactions, some may be leveraging the powerful man’s sexual attraction to themselves, some are genuinely sexually attracted. It all depends on the interplay between the specific signals of power that the man expresses and those that woman finds sexually attractive (and women differ in that regard).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 08:20 PM
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Seems as if you’re unable to distinguish between “burdens,” and responsibilities that create significant survival advantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 05:15 AM
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…also not a patriarchal state BTW.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 04:57 AM
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No. I haven’t read any of Bell Hooks’ work expressing her ideology, and I don’t think traditional family structures are a “cage.”
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 04:56 AM
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Bunch of nonsense. The word patriarchy is derived from the Koine Greek meaning “father as household/family head,” and there are few better ways to express love than properly fulfilling that role.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 04:31 AM
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Women are not sexually attracted to kindness, men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 11:49 PM
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For one (among many): https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/XShVdmfAuh
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 11:35 PM
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Women are sexually attracted to power, only one expression of which is physical. Men are sexually attracted to fertility, most (but not all) aspects of which are expressed physically.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 11:33 PM
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Never said we weren’t. What I did imply is that just like every other sexually reproducing animal on the planet we exhibit significant sexual dimorphism of behavior, and that denial of that fact is a denial of science.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 11:28 PM
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This idea that somehow men and women are unlike every other sexually reproducing animal species on the planet and don’t exhibit significant sexual dimorphism of behavior (especially with regard to sexual choice behaviors) flies in the face of well established biological science.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 08:14 PM
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Pro Tips: When you see a crow incubating eggs, it’s a female. When you see a crow performing complex acrobatic flight maneuvers in front of another crow, it’s a male. When you see and hear a crow vocalizing with soft coos and rattles to another crow, it’s a male. Just because you don’t know what to look for, doesn’t mean differences don’t exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 03:19 AM
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Thought that read cows, but male and female crows also exhibit significant behavioral sexual dimorphism.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 02:55 AM
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☝️Clearly knows absolutely nothing about cattle. 👀 And they behave really differently too.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 02:48 AM
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Again, that a strategy is subconscious does not obviate deceptiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 12:57 AM
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I agree, that’s why I called it a false one when you tried to posit it as such.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 12:30 AM
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The natural consequences of doing so?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 12:24 AM
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Thanks for proving my point, animal females have a plethora of different sexual strategies, none of which are as simple as “have sex whenever I feel like it.”
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 12:08 AM
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Given the substantial evidence of female sexual strategy throughout the sexually reproducing animal kingdom, that’s a foolish view.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 12:04 AM
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☝️False dichotomy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 11:56 PM
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☝️Non sequitur.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 11:53 PM
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That one denies action which is subconscious does not obviate the dishonesty of the action.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 11:52 PM
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☝️Lacks coherence.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 11:51 PM
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That both mean and women want sexual intimacy does not obviate the substantial sexual dimorphism of behaviors in every sexually reproducing animal species on the planet, Homo sapiens sapiens included. That men evaluate women who participate in casual sexual intimacy differently than those who do not has no bearing on our ability to have casual sexual intimacy ourselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 11:48 PM
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No, but the substantial sexual dimorphism of behaviors of every sexually reproducing animal species on planet Earth is well documented and at least as large as the differences between some species.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 11:45 PM
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“People” is not a biological term.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 08:38 PM
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Sounds like you want to vilify conifers for not being deciduous. Why would conifers put up with that? Maybe because women put up with not being vilified for not stepping up to defend others who are being physically assaulted, or not going to the front lines of a war to defend their nations, or not building our infrastructure, or not even knowing how to change the oil in their cars?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 07:28 PM
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That they may not be conscious of the strategy does not mean that it does not exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 07:13 PM
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Application of the same standards only applies when two things are the same. Men and women are not the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 06:53 PM
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Certainty =/= correctness. Feel free to present a sound counter argument to any of my assertions.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 06:40 PM
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Because men unable to escape the grand delusion and lead others out of it is sad, for both them and society as a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 04:59 AM
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Fine when it’s real, but it’s real a whole lot less than it’s claimed.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 03:08 AM
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That’s sad indeed.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 10:29 PM
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I’ve been married for over 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 01:34 AM
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Successful con artists always rely on the greed of those being conned. TL;DR: If you feel that you have been “used,” it can only be because you were trying to “use” yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 01:20 AM
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“Reliability” means different things to men and women. Generally speaking, “reliability” to men means “will she be reliably sexually attracted to me” (and therefore not contingently sexually attracted based on my ability to produce some other utility for her), whereas “reliability” to women means “will he reliably produce some utility for me other than that which is sexual.” That is the core disconnect which causes the tension.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 01:16 AM
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We don’t think the same way you do. We don’t have a concept of “temporary commitment until we find something better,” because we don’t actually value the “commitment” part (as “commitment” just means that we give and you take). The chances that any woman is dating a guy who is “stringing her along” for access to sex are slim. Women are hyper selective, and therefore have a lot of overlap as to what they find attractive. If women are actually (read: actively) sexually attracted to a given man, th…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 12:26 AM
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More than 3 times as many men in the US die while in the act of using our bodies to produce sustenance and shelter for our children (and wives) than do women, inclusive of deaths resulting from pregnancy and childbirth complications. Yet, we are still not so psychopathically selfish and cruel as to refer to our children (and wives) as having a "parasitic dependency" on our bodies and argue for a supposed "right" to kill them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 08:07 PM
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The leading cause of human death in the US is women killing their own children. They do so more than 4,600% more frequently than men kill anyone but ourselves in suicide.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 05:48 PM
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☝️Sounds Orwellian.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 05:42 PM
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It’s very easy to present sound counter-evidence for 3rd party observers. Still looking for a sound reason to conflate criticism with hate.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 09:12 AM
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Then dismiss them with sound counter-argument. Still no reason to conflate those assertions with hate.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 09:10 AM
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And that’s where both empirical and rational evidence come into play. Statements either stand with sound logic and/or observation or they fail. Neither outcome gives reason to conflate criticism with hate.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 09:07 AM
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What does that matter if what is being said is true?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 08:57 AM
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Critique and truth telling =/= hate. People who would rather not be critiqued or have truth revealed often spin it that way, but that’s just spin.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 08:34 AM
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Euphemism for escorting.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 03:44 AM
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☝️Still doesn’t get that what defines a “great” man is not centered around what he does for a given woman, but more about what he does for everyone. Perfect example of the solipsism I highlighted in my original comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 05:54 PM
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It’s a real tell. I really started noticing it a couple years back when the wife of an absolutely brilliant and generous man I know gave a public address in honor of his birthday, and everything positive she had to say was centered around things he did for her to make her life easier or more comfortable. She said absolutely nothing about his brilliance, his personal calling, and the tremendous amount that he has contributed to his community and others via his teaching and guidance of others, not…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 05:26 PM
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It is commonplace that women (and effeminate men) express the value of others by what those others do for themselves rather than who those others are inherently, or even what those others do for other people. It’s a symptom of solipsism.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 05:12 PM
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Women don’t think like men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 04:12 AM
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Maybe, but at least we know that it’s still not conditional on us exchanging some other utility.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 01:08 AM
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It’s always a good thing for men when a woman is sexually attracted to us enough such that she doesn’t want to make sexual interaction with us conditional on other utility that she obtains from us. That’s how we know that she’s actually sexually attracted to us. Everything else can develop naturally and non-transactionally, and as it does we know she’s not seeing sexual interaction with us as conditional on our ability to provide her with other utility - in other words we know that we’re not jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 01:04 AM
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There’s nothing more utterly amazing and blissful than watching your wife interact with your newborn infant child in the moments after she has given birth naturally in your home - nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 10:51 PM
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In my experience that’s not at all true. Women are more selective than to be sexually intimate with any random man. And even if it were… …so what? The point remains that she would be engaging in the sexual intimacy because she found the man she chose to be sexually intimate with sexually attractive enough to engage in sexual intimacy with him without the condition that he produce some other utility for her, which is desireable.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 10:43 PM
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Nope. We want women to be sexual attracted to us enough such that they will be non-transactionally sexually intimate with us. Most men do not hit that threshold for most women (or for any woman) so they have to settle for offering other utility to women (money, status, etc) in exchange for sexual intimacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 09:27 PM
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How kind and agreeable we are. We think it signals caring, you think it signals weakness.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 08:56 PM
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Why did you use the adjective “true?”
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 08:45 PM
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Not true, but even if it were it’s not a problem unless you expect some other utility from the men with whom you choose to be sexually intimate.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 08:43 PM
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Not really an issue if you are engaging in the sexual intimacy purely for the enjoyment of the sexual intimacy and entirely without expectation of the receipt of some other utility..
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 08:38 PM
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They only “get mad” if they were attempting to use sexual intimacy to obtain some other utility (aka they were using themselves to garner something they wanted). If they were being sexually intimate solely for the sake of enjoying the time spent being sexually intimate, then they have no reason to “get mad.”
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 08:34 PM
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As I have said from the beginning, engaging in sexual intimacy with us purely for the enjoyment of that intimacy and without the condition that we exchange any other utility with you is the only way way that we can know that you find us sexually attractive enough not to make sexual intimacy conditional on that exchange (aka transactional).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 08:27 PM
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You might wish to review the denotation of the word “marriage.”
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 05:32 PM
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When two people engage in an activity for the purpose of enjoying the activity with no conditions on any other utility being exchanged, as much as you may need it to be so in order to defend a delusion, that cannot be accurately described as “transactional.”
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 05:00 PM
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Also known as “participating in the sexual intimacy for the sake of the sexual intimacy” and not as part of a transaction in which some other utility is required from the man in question. Thanks again for reconfirming my original point! Thanks for also confirming my second point about women “reducing their opportunity sets” because they don’t find a man attractive enough!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 04:07 PM
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So, exactly as I originally said: she finds him attractive enough to be sexually intimate with home purely for the sake of enjoying the sexual intimacy and not conditional on him providing her her with some other utility (aka transactional). Thanks for confirming. I made no assertion about what you do, or what you need to do. I merely mentioned what I have experienced that women do generally, and how I have responded as a result of that. If it is true that you do not make the men that you want s…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 03:48 PM
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It has been my experience that if you’re having a discussion in which that would even come up, you’re already behind the 8-ball. Two people who are mutually enjoying each other’s company don’t feel an urge to define “what they are looking for,” because both are looking for the same thing (to enjoy spending that moment with each other) and whatever comes later will evolve naturally out of the that moment.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 03:41 PM
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There’s no such thing as “transactional dick.” What you mean is “she wants to be sexually intimate with you because she finds you sexually attractive enough to engage in the sexual intimacy solely for the sake of enjoying the sexual intimacy,” which is just repeating what I said. It has been my experience that if women want to be sexually intimate with you but they are on their period, they will engage in limited sexual intimacy and then tell you that they are on their period and wish that they …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 03:30 PM
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That doesn’t take very long for women to determine at all, especially if they find you attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 03:23 PM
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This is super easy to understand. If a woman is willing to be sexually intimate with you in relatively short order without the condition that you provide her with some other utility, it’s most likely because she finds you sexually attractive enough that she is unwilling to make sexual intimacy with you transactional. If she is unwilling to be sexually intimate with you in relatively short order and requires that you provide her some other utility first, it’s most likely because she DOES NOT find…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 03:03 PM
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That “most people disagree” is irrelevant. The denotation of the English word “relationship” is not time dependent, which is why we often describe relationships with other words which denote a specific time component (see: “ongoing relationship,” “long term relationship,” “short term relationship,” etc).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 02:42 PM
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Relationships are not time dependent.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 01:46 AM
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…or the relationship you want is with a woman who is actually sexually attracted to you (as opposed to merely conditionally sexually attracted to you).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 01:44 AM
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Because women represent and execute the entropic force in society, and unconstrained entropy reduces both order and structure to chaotic noise. So, not fear, but rational desire for order and structure because they are beneficial to our survival and well being.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 12:08 AM
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Once the 10 women have confirmed that they want to be sexually intimate with you, you have optionality. Prior to that point you have zero optionality. Prior to your approaches (and the resulting confirmation) you also have zero optionality. And it could even be argued that even if you think that 10 of the women want to be sexually intimate with you (because you talked to them) you still have zero optionality. Firm bids on the table give you optionality, until you have those bids on the table, yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 01:44 AM
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Doesn’t seem like you really understand the concept of actually holding optionality. 🧐
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 01:42 AM
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Only because women use the coercive power of government to take what they would otherwise have to negotiate.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 01:30 AM
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Men are the ones who are reaching out to rent. When you’re a man who actually has options, women are the ones reaching out “to rent.” …multiple possible options to pursue… Not the same as multiple options to close. To extend the real estate analogy, unless you have multiple cash bids to close on the table, you don’t really have options in the same way that women do. Your “options” are just multiple lottery tickets. Pro Tip: When you have several lottery tickets in your pocket, you don’t actually…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 01:20 AM
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The real question is (as I stated above): How frequently do you have multiple people actively bidding against each other to rent your apartment (even if only by the hour)? If your answer isn’t always, you don’t actually have real options.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 01:03 AM
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How often do women actively approach and hit on you? Frequently enough such that at any given time more than one woman has actively made her sexual interest in you clear? If yes, you have options. If no, you don’t. Rather, you’re just competing to be chosen from amongst their options. A minority of men actually have options. Most men don’t, no matter how much they want to delude themselves into thinking that they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 12:52 AM
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☝️Hoist by her own petard.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 10:32 PM
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We don’t care about status. You do. That’s why it’s bizarre to you. If we don’t care but women do, then the natural result will be that men tend to marry down and women will tend to marry up because ultimately women are the sexual choosers. That’s just the math.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 09:27 PM
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My goal is to propagate that which is true and to correct that which isn’t. It’s got nothing to do with you or anyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 09:21 PM
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And that’s because the princes (who will inherit thrones or dukedoms), have more status than the princesses (who will inherit nothing), and their mothers want to make social alliances and their dads want to make political alliances. As I said, you haven’t really thought any of this through.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 09:18 PM
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Wrong. Women marry for status, and did so historically. A very few men with a lot of status (nobility) but no money rarely married women whose parents had lots of money, but no status occasionally. Women marry up, men typically marry down, and it’s always been that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 09:15 PM
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Seem more like you’re unfamiliar with the terms and their origin.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 09:13 PM
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Men don’t marry for status. That’s just more female projection.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 09:07 PM
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This is not what the madonna whore complex is at all. It has nothing to do with women and their sexual desires or sex appeal. Calling something a Madonna (as in virgin) / Whore (as in sexually profligate) complex has nothing to do with women’s sexual appetites (and therefore behaviors) or their sexual appeal? 👀 You haven’t really thought this one through.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 09:06 PM
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…and that reason is to project onto men the dichotomous nature of women’s sexual attraction when men don’t actually have dichotomy of attraction. The M/W complex is a complete nonsensical fiction. It makes the false presumption that women have neither sexual choice nor restraint and therefore must either be sexually attracted to and permissive with many men (The Whore) or no men (The Madonna), which is clearly not true. And if it were true, both archetypes would be unattractive to men because th…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 07:40 PM
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☝️non sequitur
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 06:03 PM
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☝️Non sequitur
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 06:02 PM
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The function of sexual relationships is not “to bring happiness.” The function of sexual relationships is to produce healthy and successful offspring, and Even if the function were to produce happiness, getting what one wants does not produce happiness. Rather, growth and fulfillment are what tend to produce happiness, and Growth and fulfillment are more likely to occur when one does not get what one wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 02:35 PM
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Same problem with both. You’re placing yourself as a product in a hyper “shopping” situation when legitimately effective attraction doesn’t work that way. “Shopping” situations are designed to keep women shopping and naturally discourage satisfaction with any given choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 03:29 AM
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Well, that’s unkind. The kind thing would be to warn by offering critique and advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 08:39 PM
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And what you are seeing is that women don’t believe in objective truth, don’t believe that they should be held accountable for the outcomes of their decisions, don’t believe that women should be critiqued for those decisions and outcomes, and believe that they deserve whatever they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 05:43 PM
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So you say, but what you are critiquing is words. And doubly so if you claim to be critiquing RP philosophy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 12:00 AM
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In either case you are critiquing words, might as well critique the actual words which you claim to be critiquing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 09:48 PM
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My great grandfather was born a slave, my grandfather was a sharecropper, and my father picked cotton on his share as a child. It doesn’t get more disadvantaged than that in the US. Yet, my maternal grandfather (who was also born to a sharecropper) watched my siblings and I graduate from Ivy and mini Ivy League colleges and my father has watched his grandchildren grow up with just about all the privilege that one can have in our current society. Poverty is only an excuse for killing our children…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 08:15 PM
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Bottom line is that neither unwillingness or inability to care for one’s children confers on a parent a supposed “right” to kill one’s children.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 07:53 PM
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That you may not be inclined to acknowledge the fact that your will is subordinate to nature does not change the state of nature. And that you may not want to care for your children is not a sound argument for a supposed “right” to kill them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 07:32 PM
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Ultimately, our will is constrained by nature. A man may pretend to be a woman as much as he might wish and even go so far as to alter his body to resemble that of a woman, but the fact remains that he is still male and cannot make himself female.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 07:23 PM
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Please elaborate.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 07:20 PM
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Yes, I do believe that parents have a sacrificial duty of care to their children. It’s a pretty common belief in civil societies.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 07:20 PM
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Oh, it’s changing all right. We’re already well into the start of the change (see: the first generation who will have a lower standard of living than their parents is now becoming adults) and it’s only going to accelerate from here.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 07:09 PM
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It will. The current dating dynamic only exists because we have made life ludicrously easy for women. We in the West are currently at (or really just beyond) peak ease of life. As the going gets tougher, and it will be getting much tougher, men will have to lead (or die) and women will be heavily incentivized to follow.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 06:47 PM
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The number one cause of human death in the US is women killing their own children. They do so more than 4,600% more frequently than men kill anyone but ourselves in suicide.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 06:30 PM
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The entire reason for the existence of the different sexes and of sexual relationships is sexual reproduction.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 06:18 PM
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They’re not critiquing the philosophy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 06:08 PM
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Philosophy is represented in the foundational writing that describes it. If you are going to effectively critique existential philosophy you do so by critiquing the writings of Kierkegaard, Nietzsche, Sartre, etc, not randos on Reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 06:04 PM
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All that has to happen is the inevitable collapse of our fiat monetary system which will take the extreme ease of women’s lives down with it. This has happened before and it will happen again.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 05:59 PM
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If you are going to critique RP philosophy, you should critique the actual philosophy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 05:52 PM
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If you have a sound counter argument, feel free to make it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 05:51 PM
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Are you implying that women are unable to read and comprehend the publicly published tenets of a philosophy?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 05:36 PM
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I am not in a relationship with anyone on this sub, and the purpose of the sub is debate. That you are annoyed by your own inability to construct sound critiques of my assertions does not alter the nature of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 05:33 PM
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TRP philosophy is what it is. The sidebar (which is essentially where he took that from) is basically unchanged over the last decade. What TRP philosophy isn’t is what BLPers and women say in an effort to straw man.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 03:29 PM
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As he said, about 75% of that was straight from TRP philosophy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 03:08 PM
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Men follow women out of desperation. If we stop being desperate and start leading, women will follow and the world will change.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 03:01 PM
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☝️Facts which uphold why men should vacate the apps entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 01:16 AM
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It has been my experience that women’s sexual attraction is more complex than you presume.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 09:41 PM
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Yes, eat what we are given or starve (or steal).
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 07:51 PM
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Men’s agency: eat what you are given or starve Women’s agency: deciding what they want to eat.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 07:50 PM
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I have neither stated nor implied any such thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 07:48 PM
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If I spend all my money acquiring and eating donuts, make myself poor and obese in the process, and am therefore unattractive to women, why should I expect women to be attracted to me and feel entitled to that attraction if I suddenly swear off donuts? and How would you feel if a man to whom you were attracted had taken every woman he previously dated to Paris for a fun romantic weekend, but when he’s dating you says that his standards have changed as he has matured and because he wants to have …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 07:36 PM
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If you are not focused on assessing the utility of another to yourself, it doesn’t take very long at all to either appreciate that other for their being or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 07:31 PM
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Women carry nowhere near “all the reproductive responsibilities” in our modern society. From an energy output standpoint, they carry well less than half, and I have never advocated for women to be excited to be sexually intimate “with whoever,” and Killing one’s own children is neither a just nor sound solution to any problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 07:29 PM
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The difference is clearly stated in my original assertion. That you are unable or unwilling to willing to comprehend the difference does not obviate the difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 05:43 PM
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Again, if most men actually had agency over sexual choice, they’d be having a lot more sex with many more women, there would be no rape, and every man would be sexually fulfilled. As that is clearly not the case, we must conclude that men actually don’t have much agency over sexual choice. You can’t eat your cake and have it too.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 05:42 PM
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Perhaps because it is the case in most women’s minds (as demonstrated by their behaviors).
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 05:39 PM
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☝️Non sequitur.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 05:38 PM
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Perhaps you should reread my comment and spend some time thinking about it before commenting reflexively.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 05:37 PM
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When you focus on appreciating the being of the other without regard to the other’s utility to the self. Cons only work because they take advantage of greed. It’s much harder to con people who aren’t greedy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 05:35 PM
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If men generally had agency in sexual choice, most men would be having a lot more sex with many more women than they are. A very small percentage of men have any agency which extends beyond either accepting the woman who chooses them or not having a sexual relationship at all. Analogy: Women get to choose which restaurant they want to visit and thus what type of food they want to eat, men choose whether or not to eat whatever they get given.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 05:33 PM
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Only if that’s the case in your mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 05:26 PM
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We don’t choose, we are chosen.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 04:45 PM
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“Choose better” =/= you need to gather more information and process it similarly (which still leads you to a bad choice). “Choose better” = you need to change your decision-making criteria and process it differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 04:43 PM
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In the multitude of relationships that I have had the occasion to observe, women do 90% of the nagging and men tend to disregarded it as a means of staying sane.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 01:34 AM
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Never said that they did. But they do seem to end up in them (by their own decision-making) much more frequently than one would expect for a group that “doesn’t want them.”
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 01:12 AM
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☝️Needs mirror.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 01:03 AM
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…and if “people” don’t actively want to have sex with you than the question naturally should arise: Why am I in a sexual relationship with someone who doesn’t actively want to have sex with me?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 01:00 AM
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That’s not what I’m looking for. Precisely my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 09:40 PM
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Because those two are not the same thing? Your presumption that they are is just your biased excuse to censor comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 09:38 PM
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The English word “provide” comes from the Latin “pro” (meaning towards or ahead) and “video/videre” (meaning to look or to see). The act of providing literally means looking ahead and looking towards the best interest of another. To provide for your family does not mean “buy them stuff.” Rather, it’s a servant leadership role in which one looks to the future (looks ahead) and makes decisions in the best interest of those for whom he is providing (looks toward). The essence of providing for one’s…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 10:42 AM
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There are enough to meet scientific standards, and it’s true.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 10:12 AM
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We don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 01:20 AM
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It does challenge his view that RP “is just a maintenance manual.” The very first sentence declares otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 07:06 PM
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RP Philosophy is just everything that our uncles who were very popular with women in the 1950s, 1960s, and 1970s used to tell us about the essential nature of women and their sexual selection behaviors when we were growing up in the 1970s and 1980s. It’s just experienced men explaining women’s fundamental nature to inexperienced men so as to demystify it and make our interactions with women much more predictable, and thus satisfying. Feminists object because it denies the unscientific myth that …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 05:03 PM
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Let me reiterate: Eliminating income from capital Seizing heavy industry profit for redistribution Nationalizing private businesses Communalization of warehouses That’s not “capitalism with socialized aspects,” that’s pure socialism (noting that “eliminating income from capital” is literally an entire dismantling of capitalism). And just like the modern leftists masquerading as “right wing” the old leftists who masqueraded as “right wing” predicate their entire ideology on the supremacy of the c…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 08:56 PM
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Making the state responsible for providing the livelihood for its citizens isn’t leftist? Eliminating income from capital isn’t leftist? Nationalizing industry and businesses trusts isn’t leftist? Seizing heavy industry profit and redistributing it amongst “the people” isn’t leftist? Massive expansion of “old age welfare” isn’t leftist? Land expropriation and redistribution for public use isn’t leftist? Eliminating land speculation isn’t leftist? “Immediate communalization of the great warehouse…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 07:51 PM
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Read the 25 Punkte Programm (their actual political platform). Half the points are straight out of Marxist ideology. Then you could also look at their governmental policy. Or read their speeches. All leftist. There were two essential differences: Nationalism vs. Internationalism and Public ownership of the means of production vs public control of the means of production (and what is ownership without control?)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 06:38 PM
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That’s not “the right,” those are just leftists of a different sort who claim to be “right wing” (much like the National Socialist German Worker’s Party and the National Fascist Party which it copied - noting particularly that Mussolini was a radical socialist political activist before creating fascism).
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 06:34 PM
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If you want to see the results of a “dismantled patriarchy,” just look at the black American community. It’s essentially a matriarchy resulting from a systematic dismantling of natural patriarchy largely via Johnson’s Great Society and its massive expansion of the social welfare system, helped along by the radical socialist nature of the “Black Power” movement of the 1970s. Over my life I had the distinct horror of watching that dismantling and the rise of the black American matriarchy wreak hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 05:17 PM
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☝️This is an admission that you are taking mod action on a comment which does not actually break any of the rules, but merely doing so because you don’t like the comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 05:16 PM
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Again, please explain exactly how my post violates Rule 5. There are many posts on this sub which discuss race in the context which I have here, and which are in accord with Rule 5, which this is.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 05:12 PM
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☝️That is not a rule of this sub. Rule 5 is quite specific and my post does not break it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 05:07 PM
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In order of importance: Was actively sexually attracted to me. Was kind. Appreciated others for their beings without regard to their potential utility to herself. Was curious. Was willing to be introspective, objectively self observant, and objectively self critical. Did not think of herself as a victim. Did not truck with entitlement (tells the children “you get what you get, and don’t get upset”). Did not virtue signal. Was a looker.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 05:03 PM
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Identity politics? ✅ Collectivist? ✅ Requires coercion from centralized authority? ✅ Yep, it’s leftist.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 04:42 PM
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What exactly is “racially charged” about my comment? I am just relaying my personal experience and observation of my own family and community.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 04:31 PM
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Seems like you’re noticing and awakening from the slumber.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 05:03 AM
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I made no such declaration. Rather, like you (and with the same language) I merely identified myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 12:57 AM
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Statement of observation =/= declaration of appointment… …just as I presumed that your observation was not.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 12:36 AM
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It is most certainly entitled to think that one has a supposed “right” to kill one’s own child because one believes that one’s natural duty to care for one‘s child may create a “difficult circumstance.”
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 08:39 PM
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…and not all fathers become fathers consensually either. Yet, we are still required to use our bodies to produce sustenance and shelter for our offspring and that we are required to do so does not confer on us a supposed “right” to kill our own children. Nor do we argue for such a barbaric supposed “right,” because we accept the common sense principle of just societies that we should not kill children for the sins of their parents (or “two wrongs don’t make a right”).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 08:19 PM
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The most accurate denotation of the English word “child” describes a relationship between two individuals which is independent of the states of development of the individuals in the relationship. For example, I am still accurately described as the child of my parents even though I have adult children of my own and both of my parents are deceased. In essence, the English word “child” means “offspring.” Fun Fact: The English word “fetus” is a loanword from the Latin meaning “offspring.” And scient…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 08:12 PM
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I have several children. That my natural duty of care for them has consumed an extensive part of my life and contributed to heath difficulties does not confer on me a just right to kill them. A just solution to difficult circumstances is never to kill the innocent individuals involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 07:13 PM
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The numbers are the numbers. And if we included the deaths resulting from “non-dangerous” jobs (most of which are commuting related) the numbers would be substantially more telling. Men are legally required to use our bodies to produce sustenance and shelter for our children until they reach the age of majority, and if we do not we can be prosecuted, have the produce of our bodies seized and even be imprisoned. OTOH, the leading cause of human death in the US is women killing their own children …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 07:06 PM
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Every year in the US more than 3 times as many men die in the act of using our bodies to produce sustenance and shelter for our children (and wives) as do women, inclusive of deaths from pregnancy and childbirth complications. Yet, we are still not so psychopathically selfish and cruel as to argue for a supposed “right” to kill our own children (or wives) merely because we find our natural duty of care for them inconvenient or undesirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 06:28 PM
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Every year in the US more than 3x as many men die in the act of using our bodies to produce sustenance and shelter for our children (and wives) than do women, inclusive of deaths resulting from pregnancy and birth complications. We are legally required use our bodies to produce sustenance and shelter for the children we create (and even other people’s children) until they reach the age of majority. Yet, we are still not so psychopathically selfish and cruel that we argue for a supposed “right” t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 05:32 PM
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Whether or not someone else has said something has no bearing on whether or not it is true. Modern western women live the easiest, most luxurious, and least “oppressive” lives of any major demographic of humans to ever have existed. They are so entitled that they argue for a supposed “right” to kill their own children on a whim, merely because they find the natural duty of care that any parent has to his or her children undesirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 05:25 PM
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Equality =/= sameness. Rather, the concept of two things being equal in a specified way implies that they are fundamentally different.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 05:17 PM
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As an old black American man, I have observed that black American culture has been matriarchal for two to three generations and we have entirely lost the plot as a result (as evidenced by your comment above).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 05:12 PM
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I’m indifferent. It has worked well for me personally, gives us the optionality of intent, and leads to healthier LTR’s, but when combined with women’s hyper-selectiveness and extreme tendency towards attraction overlap it can lead to very awkward situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 05:03 PM
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They are the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 12:13 PM
You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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