SkinnerBoxBaddie Archive

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1	Women need to come to terms with the fact that they put too much unnecessary mental load onto themselves, and they should stop blaming men for that. Oh that’s fair. There were definitely kids who did ice skating and stuff at my school and they were always wealthy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/08/25 01:14 AM
8	Women need to come to terms with the fact that they put too much unnecessary mental load onto themselves, and they should stop blaming men for that. My family was poor and i did extracurriculars for free through the school system? They had to pay for like volleyball kneepads or tickets for my plays but that’s hardly thousands of dollars Not that I think your childhood sounds bad, but I don’t think extracurriculars mean you are super privileged by default	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/08/25 12:10 AM
2	Women don't move on faster after a relationship ends. Men are just easier to replace. I mean it literally depends on the people. My ex had a new partner (and had had a couple flings) within weeks of us breaking up. I could’ve had a partner too, but after my first dinner date (that I set up bc I knew he was dating), I freaked out when he invited me over and had a panic attack in my car bc I wasn’t ready to date yet. So yeah if both exes can get a date who has a new partner first will depend on who moves on faster	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/25 11:05 AM
1	Women don't move on faster after a relationship ends. Men are just easier to replace. I think this is a cop out bc it’s totally dependent on the specific dynamics of the relationship and who was checked out first. I left my ex of 7 years after finding out he had been shit talking me and cheating on me - I left immediately and spent 2 months renting a room before I moved back home with my parents. In that time, he already had a few flings and then a new “serious” girlfriend. I heard from mutual friends that basically within the week I was driving home, she was redecorating his apa…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/25 11:00 AM
–	Is there a Chopped Man Epidemic or do women just assess men's looks a lot more harshly than women's? I don’t think the gender swapped versions are accurate bc we find different facial features attractive in men and women. The main feature literally all of these gender swapped versions are missing that most attract men I meet tend to have is a stronger jaw, but in general the faces just read as effeminate which is of course less attractive in men (top girl actually has the strongest jaw as a woman and is the least “chopped” as a man, but is also the least attractive woman imo)	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/25 10:38 AM
5	Alot of men struggle with dating because theyre selfish and dont want to be empathetic. There’s quite a few women dying in school shootings trying to shield their students from gunfire, but okay: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61593071.amp https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/10/25/us/st-louis-school-shooting-victims https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/show/deadly-shooting-at-private-school-in-nashville-prompts-grief-calls-for-action https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/04/us/georgia-school-shooting-victims.html	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/25 06:47 PM
5	Alot of men struggle with dating because theyre selfish and dont want to be empathetic. Do you have an example of this in action? I literally can’t even imagine what you are talking about.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/25 06:42 PM
1	Therapy is harmful and doesn't actually help women. Men should not go to therapy. lol thank you, I knew not to even bother when that was his response	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/25 07:54 PM
2	Therapy is harmful and doesn't actually help women. Men should not go to therapy. Okay so you only know about talk therapy and are ignoring to the many different kinds of therapy out there, as well as the history of the practice and techniques involved. Good to know!	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/25 07:26 PM
1	Therapy is harmful and doesn't actually help women. Men should not go to therapy. Not all of it is feminine coded. Maybe all talk therapy - although I’d argue that’s a modern bias, but whatever. Talk therapy is not the only therapy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/25 11:03 AM
5	Therapy is harmful and doesn't actually help women. Men should not go to therapy. Literally most psychological studies focused on men until the 80s at least so what are you even talking about	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/25 08:20 AM
0	Therapy is harmful and doesn't actually help women. Men should not go to therapy. Over half of regular medical studies are not reproducible, do you go to the doctor?	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/25 08:18 AM
5	Therapy is harmful and doesn't actually help women. Men should not go to therapy. This entire subject was covered on the sopranos - most therapists aren’t good, most therapists just tell you what you want to hear, and even the best therapists can’t help someone who doesn’t want to make real changes. But that doesn’t mean all therapy is useless	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/25 08:13 AM
9	Overall. Getting women as a man is entirely too much work. It’s Darwinism - men who want to put in the effort will be more successful (more likely to breed)	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/07/25 12:55 PM
–	Apparently women just magically turn “demisexusal” around average men Three dates is so expected and common it’s a sitcom joke: “I love that sweater, that is my third date sweater!” The men who are complaining, based on their complaints anyways, are having trouble getting first and second dates - what do they know about the third date?	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/25 12:57 PM
3	People have issue even when men are happy being single The US does tho, we are one of the largest oil producers actually, and we don’t even touch all of our reserves I don’t think. We could do the Nordic model if we were willing to tighten immigration and not insist our citizens suffer Edit: typo made me say opposite thing	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/25 11:11 AM
1	Women are the privileged gender in the modern West Yeah, for 7 years actually! I know, my choice, but the thing is Manchild (the song) even makes a tongue in cheek joke about that (women choosing these incompetent men). So it hits pretty good tbh	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/07/25 11:09 AM
3	Women are the privileged gender in the modern West Haha okay, you are just not serious as it turns out if you genuinely think more men deal with gold diggers than women do with man children. Thanks for the laugh! Have fun in your alternate reality	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/07/25 11:05 AM
3	Women are the privileged gender in the modern West There is tons of backlash about misandry. You’re doing it right now. Okay? Sort of irrelevant, my point is gold digger is very similar in its tone and critique of women as Manchild is to men, and it was a verifiable hit, and one of the stand-outs of his career. According to you, he shouldn’t have survived releasing a song like that! No, because again, Manchild is receiving tons of backlash, and you have to be willfully blind to pretend it’s not. I actually haven’t seen a single positive review o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/07/25 10:56 AM
12	Women are the privileged gender in the modern West Also as if fraternities aren’t a thing	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/07/25 10:50 AM
2	Women are the privileged gender in the modern West Interesting. This is something that’s more suggestive of what OPs saying but idk could be the bands personal choice mixed with normal backlash. Like to take it off gender - Lizzo got “in trouble” for using the word spastic a few years ago and changed it. Literally a year or two later Beyoncé used it in the exact same way, got similar backlash, refused to change it. Nothing happened and the album is still up. So while there was backlash that helped trigger the change in Lizzo, it’s not as though …	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/07/25 10:49 AM
11	Women are the privileged gender in the modern West Sabrina Carpenter is also receiving tons of backlash. Literally everything that’s come out since her album cover and single drop has been people like you complaining of misandry, and feminists complaining she’s performing for the male gaze. It’s just laughable to pretend she’s not receiving any backlash right now Ye is on the outs for saying nazi shit, not for misogyny in his songs. Gold digger came out like 20 years ago, he wasn’t cancelled for real till he went on Alex Jones My point is manchi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/07/25 10:41 AM
11	Women are the privileged gender in the modern West For the love of god, yes there is music that is popular that is as misogynistic as manchild is misandric. Eminem’s most FAMOUS song is about killing and murdering his baby momma, and he also has a very famous song about drugging and raping a 15 year old. Kanye had golddigger, probably more similar as both songs are fun summer bops. It’s just silly.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/07/25 10:34 AM
1	Contextualizing AWALT Oh you have, I just meant in the OG post, so you wouldn’t have had to explain over and over	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/07/25 08:43 PM
2	Contextualizing AWALT Alright, then fair enough. It seems like you genuinely want people to protect their own self interests and hold that as a guiding principle and I can’t fault that at all. I disagree that a lot of the AWALT things are as prevalent as some of these other examples, (like monkey branching) but I’ve sifted through some threads here and you don’t identify with any of those, so no arguments here, only the suggestion that you might face less backlash about it if you just specified what all women are lik…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/07/25 08:31 PM
2	Contextualizing AWALT “If he wanted to he would” is like a common female dating strategy that’s basically like, avoid men who are hot and cold about you. Guys who “really want to see you” but flake week after week; who “definitely want to marry you” someday, but keep you year after year as a girlfriend - the idea is, if he wanted to see you, he would see you; if he wanted to marry you, he would at least propose. Men move mountains to see the women they value, sometimes to their detriment - so if he won’t give an inch…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/07/25 08:24 PM
2	Contextualizing AWALT What about generalizations like “if he wanted to, he would” or “men are only after one thing”? These seem more use-oriented and more like an “AMALT” angle than your groomer example (only bc groomers are generally outliers)	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/07/25 08:18 PM
1	QFW When you hear people make jokes or belittle men for "compensating", having "small dick energy", or otherwise belittle people with smaller dicks, do you speak up? Well if he said it as an aside to me, I may feel differently, bc then his goal isn’t to hurt her even? Bc she’s not the one hearing the insult. So if that’s what you mean you absolutely have a point, and that’s the location where I think you could be the most persuasive (which I alluded to but not strongly enough, if someone is your personal friend and they are saying something hurtful, that’s different than strangers or even colleagues doing the same) so a callout may make sense But if he got i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/07/25 06:21 PM
2	QFW When you hear people make jokes or belittle men for "compensating", having "small dick energy", or otherwise belittle people with smaller dicks, do you speak up? If you think a woman is going to react to a man calling her a whore by going “oh wow good sir, great point! I should really take account of my life choices” you are delusional.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/07/25 08:59 AM
1	QFW When you hear people make jokes or belittle men for "compensating", having "small dick energy", or otherwise belittle people with smaller dicks, do you speak up? I mean I think you are fundamentally right, I just think that’s how all insults are. The goal is to hurt people	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/07/25 08:57 AM
0	QFW When you hear people make jokes or belittle men for "compensating", having "small dick energy", or otherwise belittle people with smaller dicks, do you speak up? I don’t think people are thinking that much about it. You’re angry, you say something you clock as something important to them and try to undermine it. Sometimes the insult doesn’t land, sure, but you’re not going to talk people into insulting others in the way you would prefer. I wish guys wouldn’t call women whores when they insult them. Nothing to be done though	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/07/25 04:58 AM
0	QFW When you hear people make jokes or belittle men for "compensating", having "small dick energy", or otherwise belittle people with smaller dicks, do you speak up? When you’ve reached the point of insults you’ve passed the point of trying to get someone to reflect on their actions. It doesn’t matter if you tell them they have a little dick, that they are toxic and damaging, that they are dumb, whatever insult - they’re not going to turn around and be like “oh wow this person who is insulting me instead of making a reasoned argument is really on to something”. Most of the time people aren’t really up to be persuaded in general, but insults instantly close t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/07/25 04:49 AM
-1	QFW When you hear people make jokes or belittle men for "compensating", having "small dick energy", or otherwise belittle people with smaller dicks, do you speak up? It’s not ideal, and I think all your critiques are correct. But the thing about insults is, you pick them based on what matters to the other person. Truthfully if someone is acting like a real fuckboy douchebag, they are less likely to have a reaction to being called that then they will be if it’s implied he has a small dick, or he’s gay or whatever. Just like with women, she’s less likely to have a reaction to being called an entitled bitch than if you call her fat, or a slut. It’s not politica…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/07/25 12:22 AM
0	''Women aren't subjected to the draft therefor they shouldn't be able to vote'' is astoundingly bad logic We haven’t gotten there yet, but let’s see what South Korea does	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/25 02:50 PM
-1	''Women aren't subjected to the draft therefor they shouldn't be able to vote'' is astoundingly bad logic My idea is not that men are takers and women are givers. My idea is both men and women give and contribute but only the contributions of women are ignored and discredited. Your entire comment is an example of this. Who cares about childbirth, no biggie, women choose that, but then you give two paragraphs worshipping everything men do. It is you guys who are saying women are takers, and then some of you take it a step further and say because of that women shouldn’t vote. You know what adds fuel t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/25 01:31 PM
1	''Women aren't subjected to the draft therefor they shouldn't be able to vote'' is astoundingly bad logic 80% of women have kids, and we need kids for society to continue. People are already panicking about how to get women to have kids with falling birth rates and while most places are sticking with incentives for now, a lot of people are toying with the idea of making women have kids. It is a responsibility, it’s just one most women naturally choose to do at this point, but even them choosing to do it only twice instead of 5 times is having negative effects. When the draft comes at this point? The…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/25 01:08 PM
4	''Women aren't subjected to the draft therefor they shouldn't be able to vote'' is astoundingly bad logic And they would love to live the easy and simple life of a modern man Interesting, bc in Ancient Sparta women were pretty respected, and given military-style funerals if they died in childbirth	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/25 12:59 PM
1	''Women aren't subjected to the draft therefor they shouldn't be able to vote'' is astoundingly bad logic If you continue reading, they were not arguing for equal rights and equal responsibilities. They were saying since there can’t be equal responsibilities (which is true by the way) there shouldn’t be equal rights, bc otherwise men are “third class citizens”. So I pointed to unequal societies to show like, yeah maybe those aren’t ideal. I did jump the gun on assuming that’s where he was headed but that’s bc I know this line of argument, as OP mentioned, it’s a super common Andrew Wilson train of t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/25 12:34 PM
-2	''Women aren't subjected to the draft therefor they shouldn't be able to vote'' is astoundingly bad logic Women have the responsibility of carrying children to term, (which requires abstaining from many different foods and substances, many doctors visits, health issues) and childbirth (one of the top causes for medical deaths to this day), do they not? What do men have that is equal to this? It’s not elementary, you just expect women’s labor as a given	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/25 12:28 PM
8	''Women aren't subjected to the draft therefor they shouldn't be able to vote'' is astoundingly bad logic Lmao, no. Women have actually been some of the biggest arguers against the draft, bc they don’t want their sons going and dying in war. Also, where I live (and I bet where you live) there hasn’t been a draft in my lifetime, or my parents lifetime, so no, I’m not counting on this “right to force men to die” - it’s literally not something that has ever been used in two generations. With drones and a huge ass voluntary enlisted military force, I don’t see us ever needing a draft for a boots on the …	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/25 12:25 PM
5	''Women aren't subjected to the draft therefor they shouldn't be able to vote'' is astoundingly bad logic And that is silly and childlike logic that leads to you having a backwards shithole country. Again, all the best and most productive societies enfranchise their citizens, man or woman, regardless of race, disability status, etc. I don’t see you packing up to move to one of these unequal societies like Iran or Afghanistan, why not? Could it be that men aren’t actually treated better just because women are enfranchised? “It is a disadvantage to be a healthy man” - your ancestors are so disappointe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/25 12:13 PM
4	''Women aren't subjected to the draft therefor they shouldn't be able to vote'' is astoundingly bad logic Lmao no it doesn’t mean that? The draft only goes to 26	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/25 11:55 AM
2	''Women aren't subjected to the draft therefor they shouldn't be able to vote'' is astoundingly bad logic But we have a defending body? The US military is stacked	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/25 11:52 AM
2	''Women aren't subjected to the draft therefor they shouldn't be able to vote'' is astoundingly bad logic This is silly, and childlike logic tbh. Not everyone can perform equal responsibilities. Or as OP pointed out, would it be fair to revoke rights from men bc they can’t give birth? After all, they’re not providing the populace society will need to continue running. It’s just a silly thing to say. Men and women provide different contributions, and all the safest and most productive societies are the ones where most of their citizens are enfranchised to vote. This is no coincidence. Or do you think…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/25 11:48 AM
1	Most people nowadays enter relationships like a contract, and then they try to find any loop hole in them to get what they want from them, no matter if it hurts the other person involved. I literally don’t think they are the same which is why in my very first comment I pointed out the distinction. I just also don’t think that the dating around they did in the past is what OP was imagining either, given the post he chose as an example, and the fact that he responded to my comment agreeing that he wasn’t thinking about that and it was a good point. Like Jesus Christ	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/25 04:01 PM
4	Most people nowadays enter relationships like a contract, and then they try to find any loop hole in them to get what they want from them, no matter if it hurts the other person involved. I mean tbf to those people they did think he was a huge asshole - he was for other reasons, but I digress - but their point was more I was naive and stupid for being so loyal without the commitment. And in a sense they’re right but yeah there’s these competing narratives that you shouldn’t rush things and no one has to get married. Idk you’re right that it was just a huge waste of my time, but yeah, lessons learned. All this to say that nice people of both genders get screwed by the ambiguities …	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/25 03:51 PM
4	Most people nowadays enter relationships like a contract, and then they try to find any loop hole in them to get what they want from them, no matter if it hurts the other person involved. It was rough. I’m much better now, but hope my experience serves as a cautionary tale.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/25 03:47 PM
2	Most people nowadays enter relationships like a contract, and then they try to find any loop hole in them to get what they want from them, no matter if it hurts the other person involved. I feel like you’re arguing just to argue. Yes I agree, attitudes towards dating were different in the past than today, in large part because of the change towards sex. One of the things that changed is that it used to be assumed that a woman who was unmarried could be courted, as she was unmarried.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/25 03:46 PM
6	Most people nowadays enter relationships like a contract, and then they try to find any loop hole in them to get what they want from them, no matter if it hurts the other person involved. I’m not saying it was. I’m just saying it also wasn’t “oh I’m talking to this guy and this guy only until I determine if he is for me”. It was “I’m not going to be exclusive or sleep with any man until he marries me” The thing that changed was the attitude towards sex, not exclusivity in dating	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/25 03:34 PM
12	Most people nowadays enter relationships like a contract, and then they try to find any loop hole in them to get what they want from them, no matter if it hurts the other person involved. Yeah your overall point is still true though, it was very clear - if you wanted to lock her down you needed to marry her. Now there’s these competing narratives: loyalty is expected without marriage based on the purported “seriousness” of the relationship but nobody really agrees about what is “serious” enough to be owed that loyalty I agree it’s damaging even from the woman perspective. I was one of those 7 year girlfriends and I was so fucking loyal dude. He wasn’t. And even though people felt…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/25 03:31 PM
22	Most people nowadays enter relationships like a contract, and then they try to find any loop hole in them to get what they want from them, no matter if it hurts the other person involved. So I see your overall point and yes people do take advantage of ambiguity, but it’s not really the case that monogamy was assumed in the past, not while dating. Women often had multiple suitors they were entertaining. Granted, they weren’t supposed to be sleeping with any of these suitors so it’s still not the same as the “talking stages” of modern dating, but yeah, until she was married she was technically on the market in the past. Engaged ain’t married and all that	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/25 03:05 PM
3	Women have not somehow artificially manipulated the dating market to increase their perceived value, the modern dating market simply revealed that women are more desirable than men I think the makeup thing is such an undermentioned aspect of this, and to me totally explains why women’s “attractiveness” is more normally distributed. Makeup covers acne, redness, large pores, and if you learn contouring you can quite literally alter your perceived face shape. That being said, if you’re already naturally pretty, makeup provides diminishing returns (I think it’s easier to go from a 3 to a 5 using makeup than from an 8 to a 10) Women who would be in the very bottom of the skew u…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/06/25 03:45 PM
5	WAP vs Juno: why how sexuality is portrayed in media matters And saying you want a man to impregnate you and “mark his territory” also does not denote independence from sex appeal to men. How is asking to get knocked up showing “true, self contained power”? You literally cannot impregnate yourself, you need a man to do that to you. Maybe it’s bc I’m in the middle of dworkin right now but it’s crazy to me you see impregnation as the true female fantasy and a woman talking about how wet she is as “just for men” Neither song is a feminist anthem. They are fe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/06/25 04:02 AM
6	WAP vs Juno: why how sexuality is portrayed in media matters I like both artists, but I don’t get how you can say this. From Megan’s verse in WAP: “I tell him where to put it, never tell him where I'm 'bout to be I run down on him 'fore I have a nigga running me Talk yo' shit, bite your lip Ask for a car while you ride that dick (while you ride that dick) You ain't never gotta fuck him for a thing He already made his mind up 'fore he came Now get your boots and your coat for this wet ass pussy He bought a phone just for pictures of this wet ass pussy Pay …	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/06/25 12:55 AM
3	Men who demand traditionalism and submissiveness from women without being competent himself will never deserve it and should not get it. You haven’t given any rational explanation. You’ve been masturbating yourself and throwing out fallacies when that’s what your whole argument consists of	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/06/25 11:41 AM
2	Men who demand traditionalism and submissiveness from women without being competent himself will never deserve it and should not get it. Bruh how you trying to use fallacies as a gotcha here when invoking the Bible is a classic appeal to authority	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/06/25 04:04 AM
2	Female performers can get away with more than male performers can Because they get as much backlash as men	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/06/25 02:21 AM
2	Female performers can get away with more than male performers can No they don’t, is what I’m saying	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/06/25 01:54 AM
1	Female performers can get away with more than male performers can Again, this would mean more if you weren’t also defending Chris Brown. Except you’ve still been defending Eminem despite your apparent distaste. You have way more issues with Rodrigo saying she’s on her period than you do with Eminem’s lyrics, and that’s obvious by the amount of time you have spent criticizing one while excusing the other as a “shock performance” Okay, but as I’ve pointed out? Kanye is not really cancelled. Spotify is hosting these Nazi tracks. Oh I disagree too. I’m just simply…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/06/25 01:53 AM
2	Female performers can get away with more than male performers can I don’t see your point at all here, it just feels like moving goalposts. “Imagine if a man did all this” and then we tell you yes they did all this and you’re like “well okay but they were clearly doing a performance”. All of these people are doing a performance, they are performers It’s not bad, no one is saying it is bad. It just doesn’t sell to that demographic bc that’s what not what they want, just like South Park and Family Guy doesn’t sell to teen girls. This would be like asking “Why isn…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/06/25 01:46 AM
2	Female performers can get away with more than male performers can She asked for a volunteer	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/06/25 01:18 AM
2	Female performers can get away with more than male performers can Okay, and female artists get backlash all the time too. I thought we were talking about how men would lose their careers and get cancelled and go to jail? Seems we are moving the goalposts	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/06/25 01:06 AM
2	Female performers can get away with more than male performers can I just acknowledged very few people were as mentally ill as ye. Your singular exception would mean something if you weren’t making exceptions for every male artist mentioned to you no matter what he did. Okay. If we really had a cancel culture he wouldn’t be making music at all, period, no exceptions. I mean we are currently deporting people with student visas for antisemitism, I’m pretty sure none of them have said they love Hitler. Complicit in perpetuating the objectification of women, and so…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/06/25 01:05 AM
2	Female performers can get away with more than male performers can Yes, male celebrities have done this and more to their fans as many multiple people have told you and no they weren’t arrested Excuses. Eminem was a serious artist, there were so many people during the height of his career that were like “I hate rap but I love Eminem”. All celebrities are playing characters when performing for the public, and if you decide to take some of them seriously and others not, then YOU are the one applying double standards. I’d also like you to point out what she said t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/06/25 12:41 AM
3	Female performers can get away with more than male performers can He is one of the most famous rappers of all time and these things did not hurt his career at all, if anything, it amplified it bc young people want edgy music	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/06/25 11:20 PM
1	Female performers can get away with more than male performers can Very few people are mentally ill the way ye is, but yes, most celebrities have mental illnesses and drug addictions. He is getting away with it when the censored version on Spotify literally just has blanks in the line “I became a nazi, I’m a villain”. They just say “I became a -, I’m a villain”. Hmmmm I wonder what Ye became, it’s a mystery. Even if you never heard about this song that was viral news, you would know it was obviously censored, and if you look for the uncensored version, you’ll k…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/06/25 11:16 PM
4	Female performers can get away with more than male performers can Lmao, I love how he doesn’t understand that he is proving men get away with more when he is considering a woman mentioning her period comparable with a huge sex trafficking ring that’s so scandalous the accused cannot even keep a lawyer	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/06/25 11:04 PM
3	Female performers can get away with more than male performers can Yes	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/06/25 10:56 PM
3	Female performers can get away with more than male performers can Because cops were called and nothing happened. This happens to celebrities constantly. No, I’m not? Are you? After all, you’re offended by Vampire. Let’s compare some lyrics shall we? “I've made some real big mistakes But you make the worst one look fine I should've known it was strange You only come out at night I used to think I was smart But you made me look so naive The way you sold me for parts As you sunk your teeth into me, oh Bloodsucker, fame-fucker Bleedin' me dry like a goddamn vampir…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/06/25 09:32 PM
3	Female performers can get away with more than male performers can Okay. And you don’t think maybe they’re defending the women celebrities for the same sorts of reasons? This explanation of how Ye reworked it is exactly the point I’m making. We KNOW the song originally said Heil Hitler, it’s not like we forgot, and he just changes that to Hallelujah and everyone is just like “oh that’s my edgy boy!!!”. This is him getting away with it Literally most celebrities are playing a character, if not all. They’re marketed commodities when you see them, not fully their …	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/06/25 09:20 PM
5	Female performers can get away with more than male performers can Hahaha I completely agree. I feel like I’m in upside down land when I read these posts	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/06/25 02:37 PM
9	Female performers can get away with more than male performers can Sounds like normal celebrity shit then Have you not heard Eminem’s Kim? The truth is most male artists don’t appeal to young people the same way girl pop stars do. The ones that do, like 1D, are specifically selling a sanitized and nonsexual image, so talking about their dick wouldn’t be congruous with this. But I don’t think they’d be cancelled, it would be more like the conversations had about Miley Cyrus in her Wrecking Ball era	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/06/25 10:57 AM
10	Female performers can get away with more than male performers can Bruh there are still people defending Kanye bc he made graduation even though he’s literally praising Hitler. You can say people are overall not okay with this, but Spotify felt it necessary to upload a censored version of the song bc the beats were so fire, so clearly they are willing to make money on it Eminem made his whole career talking about how much he hated and wanted to kill his baby momma, and only became “uncool” to people bc he’s antitrump. Chris Brown publicly beat the fuck out of R…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/06/25 10:51 AM
2	Women, do you think men who work from home are less masculine? No, you’re reading that it’s very different because you already think it’s very different. The interactions are identical to the one you described. Also as I said, I am currently pushing to find him remote work. Did you ignore that part?	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/06/25 10:32 AM
6	Women, do you think men who work from home are less masculine? I feel like you may be reading into this. I have a flex schedule and my partner is in the government and had all his WFH cut. On the days I get to WFH, he will often playfully tease me with a “must be nice!”. I always just respond “it IS nice” Personally I wish my partner still had his WFH days, he’s more stressed now and we would have more time together if our WFH overlapped. He’s looking to go private sector bc the government is just not the work environment it used to be, and I’m sending him …	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/06/25 04:27 AM
1	How do you screen for political compatibility, and how important is that for you when dating? Haha I think I called my partner baby Hitler last night while debating birthright citizenship. It’s exactly this. If anything, disagreeing politically feels like sort of a good venue to get out healthy conflict. We’ve only been together a little over a year, but we haven’t had any major disagreements about anything “real” - just these political debates. I can see how you would say that. She’s definitely out of step with the “you go girl” liberal feminism that is ubiquitous today in a way that se…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/06/25 12:57 PM
5	How do you screen for political compatibility, and how important is that for you when dating? I don’t make a point to bring it up, but I don’t hide it either. Things are pretty political nowadays so it will come up. My current partner works in the government so we started talking politics pretty quick Well I am an outspoken feminist so if they hate those we just won’t get along. But I don’t expect, and am even wary of, dudes who are feminists too; in my experience guys know to use this as a front and hide insidious views behind being a male feminist. Since I’m a rad fem more than anythin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/06/25 11:44 AM
14	Women, would you be okay with your man getting eggs from another woman and having a baby in your womb? I find it hilarious you are citing Mary Harrington when she would find this idea you are posing absolutely abhorrent, the idea that you can just pick a genetically ideal egg and implant it in a woman you claim to love (though you’re using her as an incubation machine and another woman as an egg source) is something that could only be thought up by someone fully entrenched in a human meat-Lego culture. If you want to have a particular baby with a particular woman because she has better genes have…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/25 11:49 AM
2	Historically, the average dude likely never found academics easy Okay? This was about STEM majors, and whether women only major in garden party subjects. They are the majority majors in Medicine (y’know, the M) and the majority in of law school attendees, which I would hardly call “garden party”. They’re also the majority in other STEM subjects like biology. Women actually account for 53% of stem bachelors, 60% of STEM masters and 48% of STEM phds. Everyone knows women are more likely to work part time due to having kids. A woman who has just completed her re…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/25 11:30 AM
2	Historically, the average dude likely never found academics easy Not the new ones	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/25 03:48 AM
7	Historically, the average dude likely never found academics easy Most med school and law school graduates are women	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/06/25 04:35 PM
2	"Everyone is entitled to their preferences so men can't blame women" is a red herring. It all comes down to the perceived validity of the critiques of a gender. What? I think people are saying women are not going to lower their standards for men, and the government isn’t going to step in and make dating easier for men. With that being the case, it is true that the only way for men to do better in dating is improve. I mean the same is true for women and their dating complaints - men aren’t going to stop being sex-motivated and the government isn’t going to deincentivize fuckboy behavior or pay them for doing housework, so women who want those things are …	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/25 05:34 PM
1	"Everyone is entitled to their preferences so men can't blame women" is a red herring. It all comes down to the perceived validity of the critiques of a gender. Women do get critiques from men though that are not dismissed? I haven’t actually heard men complain that the way women want to be entertained is dehumanizing (I’m not sure what is even meant here tbh), but as for the rigid gender roles yes? I have been criticized specifically for saying that, even though I don’t expect the man to pay, in my experience every time a man declines to pay he wasn’t interested in me; I was specifically criticized for upholding rigid gender roles even though I’ve said…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/25 04:55 PM
0	"Everyone is entitled to their preferences so men can't blame women" is a red herring. It all comes down to the perceived validity of the critiques of a gender. There is a difference between critique and hatred. You might get called a bigot if you say like “single moms are worthless and ran through” but not if you tell a young woman “women should be careful about the men they choose, so they don’t end up being abuse victims or single moms”. The latter is in fact, wholly accepted on the left and in feminist circles. You don’t even have to focus on the groups I named, I pointed it out just to illustrate how far off the mark you are. Literally read one wom…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/25 04:36 PM
0	"Everyone is entitled to their preferences so men can't blame women" is a red herring. It all comes down to the perceived validity of the critiques of a gender. There’s literally nothing to say to convince you if you think women aren’t told and expected to change and improve like everybody else. There would be no discourse on single moms, hypergamy, fat women, sex workers, welfare queens etc. etc. if what you’re saying was true	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/25 04:10 PM
4	Straight women wanting masculine men isn't any more "hypergamous" than straight men wanting feminine women Dude if you go to the gym 4-6 times a week you are probably in the top 10 percent for gym goers (in the US anyway)	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/25 10:22 AM
3	Girls do well in school not because teachers prioritize them, it's because the female "nature" is more suitable for that environment than the male nature is. Women on average score higher in trait neuroticism, agreeableness and conscientiousness - traits that make you very likely to listen to authority, work with peers, be diligent about busy work, stay organized (at the very least, these traits aren’t in opposition with these behaviors). This would likely make you good at school. Men as we know, on the other hand, a bigger risk takers - and on average they score higher in trait openness. This would likely push you towards higher risk/reward jobs - e…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/25 10:02 AM
14	Turns out the "female gaze" is not that different from what redpill claims women want This is my big thing with all the conclusions guys like this pull from the Norah Vincent experience - at most she simulated a trans man’s situation. She was not passable as a cis dude. And I don’t think anybody denies trans men have trouble dating straight women	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/25 02:47 PM
–	Women’s bodies are respected and protected more than men’s Men in America are overwhelmingly for circumcision as well, is the point being made. It’s not feminism. It’s actually a holdover from puritanical culture, when they thought it would keep your sons from masturbating. Most feminists would be against it, I would bet, but it’s obviously not their priority	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/05/25 06:48 PM
–	Women’s bodies are respected and protected more than men’s Do you acknowledge the legal issues with a medical exceptions clause? If it is codified that abortion is illegal except for the mother’s health, then there is now a standard of proof that needs to be met regarding the mother’s health risks, meaning: sometimes the doctors will wait until you are “definitely sick enough” so they won’t risk being held liable for an “unjustified” abortion. This can kill the woman. I think we actually mostly agree about how abortion should be used - I always loved Cl…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/05/25 11:48 AM
–	Women’s bodies are respected and protected more than men’s Mothers =/= feminists. Also ofc more moms sign the consent forms. They are the ones actually admitted in the hospital where these procedures take place. Just taking into account the fact that some nurse might collect signatures on these forms while dad is home getting rest and/or picking up things to bring back to the hospital, we would expect to see more moms sign	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/05/25 11:25 AM
8	Millennial males (and older) had it easier. Yep - from what I can tell the “sexlessness pandemic” started in 2018 and peaked in 2020, right when the youngest millennials and oldest gen Z graduated college. It’s now declining but people keep referencing the 5 year old stats on repeat	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/05/25 05:56 AM
1	In the next 10 years we'll see women dominate every single prestigious career field (even IT) and this will end marriage for good Dude I think it is you and I urge you desperately to find some peace before you sabotage a relationship you admit you treasure. Wanting to support you in “leveling up” does not necessarily mean she doesn’t think you aren’t good enough especially since based on your description she seems a go-getter overachieving type. Those people love to help people advance, especially if they are sort of “settled” in their own career. I mean I could be totally off base here, but if she got where she is by grin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/05/25 10:49 AM
-1	In the next 10 years we'll see women dominate every single prestigious career field (even IT) and this will end marriage for good So you think women are incapable of falling in love with a man and choosing to commit to him?	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/05/25 10:42 AM
2	One of the main motivations for women getting into relationships with men is resources. Okay but 16% is a significant minority, that’s more than 1 in 10. Evopsych must have an explanation for these women - it has an explanation for homosexuality even though only 1 in 20 people engage in same-sex intercourse. So if the OP aligns with evopsych, what’s the explanation for the 16% of marriages with women acting as the primary provider?	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/05/25 10:33 AM
10	The term “just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they’re not after you” applies to dating. The average man will mostly only have negative experiences Yup, and eventually, she believes you, or you do the work to convince her bc the fact that she’s attracted to someone as terrible as you proves something is wrong with her; you lose respect for her bc you have none for yourself My ex was very like this, and our relationship deteriorated for 7 years until we hated each other. It’s really a shame in some ways, we used to be best friends. But he had such a toxic mindset about himself that infected everything. Even in the denigrating texts about me …	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/05/25 10:59 AM
3	If a woman genuinely likes a man, she'll make it easy for him. I think this is the crux of most of these issues, and explains best why they are so prominent in gen z - gen z is an incredibly risk averse generation across the board, and behaving in a way to minimize risk at the expense of all else has side effects that aren’t great	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/05/25 09:58 PM
5	If a woman genuinely likes a man, she'll make it easy for him. I’m not really even espousing a system - I didn’t cut off the men that didn’t pay. They stopped texting me. That being said my current partner paid the first date before the check even came to the table, I didn’t even know, and it’s just one of many, many things he did that indicated interest	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/05/25 12:36 PM
2	If a woman genuinely likes a man, she'll make it easy for him. ⁠There is not a difference between being selfish and getting your needs met. You think there is bc you have moralized selfishness as bad and obviously think that getting your needs met is good. You not wanting to pay bc it’s unfair to you - what do you get in return? Is literally an example of selfish thinking, you are putting yourself and your resources first. Men who want to pay are usually doing so in hopes of extracting something from the woman so that is also self serving. Women who go 50/5…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/05/25 12:34 PM
3	If a woman genuinely likes a man, she'll make it easy for him. Clearly you’re on a moral superiority kick but yes, everyone is selfish and self-serving, because being alive requires you serve your needs, it’s a function of living. I also like how you ignored the rest of that point bc you were trying to do a gotcha about how women expect something for nothing, when that’s not how I feel Sure, and I bet they thought that based on more than just him paying. I bet he also feigned interest in their streaming careers and talked up how hot they were, etc. my point…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/05/25 12:13 PM
2	If a woman genuinely likes a man, she'll make it easy for him. That’s why it’s not the only factor, I’m not only talking about paying Of course they expect something in return. All relationships are (or should be) mutual exchanges, so obviously if you’re paying less, you’re doing something else for them. Duh. Literally only babies and Disney adults think differently. Everyone is selfish and self-serving, the healthy thing to do is find someone where you serving your interests also serves their interests. I like doing nice things for my partner and he likes …	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/05/25 11:55 AM
4	If a woman genuinely likes a man, she'll make it easy for him. This is fair, my current partner was really into me from the jump and tells me he was worried he was going to “scare me off”. There definitely is this thing also where women are encouraged to be wary of someone too interested and men are encouraged to look for someone with interest like this. But I guess this is where I do agree with OP because if she really likes you - that won’t scare her. It will excite her. My partner asked to be exclusive on the third date, we hadn’t even slept together - h…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/05/25 11:48 AM
3	If a woman genuinely likes a man, she'll make it easy for him. If they like you they do this. If they don’t they flake, make you jump through hoops, ghost, etc. Because you already talked about what women do if they like men, I didn’t need to repeat what you said? I already said what you said was fair. I was saying the same is true of men, and was describing what men do if they like women - which yes, generally if a man likes a woman he does try to provide for her bc that is how most men are raised. In my experience, men who haven’t paid didn’t like me. Tha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/05/25 11:32 AM
1	If a woman genuinely likes a man, she'll make it easy for him. This is sort of fair - but if a man likes a woman he will also make it easy for her. He will offer free dates or dates paid for, he’ll offer to pick her up, he’ll offer to help her out with little chores and errands - because he wants to see her, and he wants to make her life easier so it’s easier for her to see him. In a relationship where both people like each other, both people are active participants in showing interest, there’s back and forth. It’s not just a woman demanding to be lavished …	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/05/25 11:08 AM
4	Why do PPD men tell women to ignore red flags then turn around and complain that we date criminals and bad people? Right, it’s just common sense - a man who wants to see you makes it as easy as possible for you. He wants you there	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/25 02:21 PM
3	Why do PPD men tell women to ignore red flags then turn around and complain that we date criminals and bad people? I mean it’s irrelevant now bc I’m off the market. And my current partner and a fantastic and happened to pay the first date so it’s worked for me so far right now. But I think everybody does this. Everyone has a set of filters based on their experience, which is by definition small, and they probably pass over good people in the process. But that’s okay, you only need to find one person	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/25 01:15 PM
2	Why do PPD men tell women to ignore red flags then turn around and complain that we date criminals and bad people? I’m not ignoring the root of it, I’m saying it is made irrelevant by the fact that if you don’t hold the standard men should pay, which many women don’t and I didn’t, a lot of the time you will learn very quickly that men who want to be around you make it easy for that to happen - they plan dates, they drive to see you and yes, they pay for you to do things with them. It’s not about your expectation, it’s about their drive to see you. Paying is not the only thing, and if he does all the other th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/25 01:12 PM
4	Why do PPD men tell women to ignore red flags then turn around and complain that we date criminals and bad people? All I said was in my experience interested men pay. A lot of women have the same experience. Some women have different experiences and find that men who pay feel entitled to sex so they don’t like it. They probably filter dates differently than I do, bc they have different experiences. I’m just explaining my experience, and why some women might see it as a red flag (I even find that language too strong, for me it’s just an indicator of disinterest)	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/25 01:07 PM
2	Why do PPD men tell women to ignore red flags then turn around and complain that we date criminals and bad people? I’m sure they do, and if they do they are well within their right to filter dates for women who go 50/50 if they want to.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/25 01:01 PM
2	Why do PPD men tell women to ignore red flags then turn around and complain that we date criminals and bad people? He paid on the first date too though, like I said at the beginning, it was taken care of without me even knowing. And that has set the precedent for how he has behaved in general	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/25 01:00 PM
2	Why do PPD men tell women to ignore red flags then turn around and complain that we date criminals and bad people? I think you are taking me more extreme than I mean to be - I’m not saying if a man asks to split you should ditch him. I’m saying in my experience it tends to be paired with other indicators of disinterest - flaking on plans, not setting up a second date and/or turning down my date suggestions, not messaging or texting back. I didn’t label them disinterested off the bat, they displayed disinterest. It’s really not different than what men do but about women and sex - if a woman wants to have sex …	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/25 12:31 PM
4	Why do PPD men tell women to ignore red flags then turn around and complain that we date criminals and bad people? You guys already do that so what’s your point	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/25 11:21 AM
3	Why do PPD men tell women to ignore red flags then turn around and complain that we date criminals and bad people? I love how these guys are arguing with you that paying doesn’t indicate more interest or seriousness and then in the same breath keep saying “it’s not worth investing in a stranger”, proving your point. Someone who thinks it is worth investing in this particular stranger is obviously more interested than someone who thinks it is not worth it	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/25 10:42 AM
1	Why do PPD men tell women to ignore red flags then turn around and complain that we date criminals and bad people? See I agree with OP that men who paid on the first date in my experience were more serious. My current partner paid before I could even see a check on our first date. But I specifically don’t want to set up that dynamic you’re talking about, so I always pay the second date, assuming there is one. I did that with my current partner and he asked like 10 times if I was sure I wanted to pay.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/25 10:38 AM
4	Why do PPD men tell women to ignore red flags then turn around and complain that we date criminals and bad people? In my experience dating, men who pay are also more deliberate about making/keeping plans, they’re more responsive both messaging and on the date, more IOI throughout (more touching, flirting, etc.) - I mean to be completely honest reflecting now I only had a couple dates where the man didn’t offer to pay and the date prior to that was just fine but clearly not really leading anywhere, little chemistry, awkward convos and stuff. I don’t begrudge them, but in context it seems clear the offering to…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/25 10:30 AM
–	I think a lot of people going forward have to just get over the idea of sex and relationships But everyone doesn’t level up, plenty of people find reasons to never improve or change, often using arguments like yours to explain why it’s pointless to try. Because of this mass aversion to improvement by most people, as an individual, you can be different and have better odds. Says who? Why should they have to settle with each other if they don’t want to and will resent doing so? If you refuse to better yourself to a level where you have access to the partners you would like to have, why is …	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/05/25 04:25 PM
–	I think a lot of people going forward have to just get over the idea of sex and relationships Using your logic, she’s also saying mediocre men shouldn’t settle for mediocre women. What’s the issue with this? No one should settle for mediocrity. If you’re mediocre yourself, you shouldn’t settle, you should level up.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/05/25 03:15 PM
1	Women's standards are perfectly reasonable, their "type" however eliminates most guys before they even have a chance I can agree with this, I think teens specifically go through insane idealism, and reality often fails to match up. But this is also nothing new, it’s what Romeo and Juliet was about basically	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/05/25 03:09 AM
5	Women's standards are perfectly reasonable, their "type" however eliminates most guys before they even have a chance This is the only take that makes sense. Women’s standards are too high? According to who? Men? Specifically men who are upset about being excluded by these standards? It’s only a problem if her standards keep her from being happy. If she finds someone she’s happy with (and as you point out most women do) or if she’s happy alone, her standards clearly work for her There may be specific situations where a woman like desperately wants a family but is superficially too picky and filtering too much(i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/04/25 10:38 PM
2	Casual sex is not the cause of cheating, it's the training ground for it See, you’re bringing up all these behavioral explanations but you’re forgetting the most important thing: all people have different behavioral contingencies, that make different things rewarding and punishing to different people, especially when it comes to social contingencies. If you tell one kid to sit down and be quiet they do, you tell another kid to sit down and be quiet and they say “make me” and run away; your reprimand was punishing for one kid but reinforcing for the other kid, with re…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/04/25 05:19 PM
1	Women on this sub make it sound like they're single because they're unwilling to compromise on being in a great relationship, but in reality they're single because most men don't want them Then why didn’t you lead with saying OP meant it as a generalization instead of saying he didn’t say that? You literally started off arguing in bad faith, but to respond to your generalization point - it’s a generalization that is wholly untrue bc men have a HUGE PROBLEM with admitting they may be the cause of their lack of success. Literally everywhere you can find info about hypergamous modern women and feminism being the root cause of all men’s problems.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/04/25 10:47 AM
1	Women on this sub make it sound like they're single because they're unwilling to compromise on being in a great relationship, but in reality they're single because most men don't want them No, he said men have no problem admitting it’s their fault if they are single, while women don’t admit that, verbatim: Men, when they are single, have no problem admitting the reason they are single is because no one can possibly want them. Women though, constantly point to men being the reason for them being single.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/04/25 10:05 AM
3	Women on this sub make it sound like they're single because they're unwilling to compromise on being in a great relationship, but in reality they're single because most men don't want them Well, no, I admit those men exist. But OP has set up a dichotomy here where men readily admit their faults and women don’t - when as you point out correctly, there are men who do and don’t readily admit their own faults.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/04/25 10:38 AM
3	Arrested development has led to grown adults STILL looking outwardly to others for their loneliness. It’s ENTIRELY down on YOU to fix it. That means nothing to me bc those are largely refugee populations who are again, in unique economic conditions. We know in the us that when higher fertility immigrant groups stay here for a while, their children don’t maintain the fertility rate of their parents. If you don’t see how birth rates are falling GLOBALLY across time, culture, race, religion and economic standing then YOU are not looking at the data. Fertility rates are dropping everywhere, including the Muslim countries you are holdi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/25 01:41 PM
4	Arrested development has led to grown adults STILL looking outwardly to others for their loneliness. It’s ENTIRELY down on YOU to fix it. Muslim countries don’t really have a higher birth rate unless they are also poor. Iran’s TFR is 1.68 compared to the us at 1.66. The TFR is UAE is 1.44. The highest birth rates for Muslim countries are in Sub-Saharan Africa, which have high birth rates in general bc of economic conditions more than anything.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/25 01:26 PM
22	Women on this sub make it sound like they're single because they're unwilling to compromise on being in a great relationship, but in reality they're single because most men don't want them What are you talking about men have “no problem” admitting that the reason they are single is bc they aren’t desirable? This sub is crawling with dudes talking about how they are fit, decent face, decent job (or they have friends like this) but they can’t date bc those delusional, hypergamous women have been taught by twitter and OF to raise their standards and now they don’t have a chance. I mean I personally hate the term accountability when it comes to dating preferences bc if you have bad da…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/25 11:29 AM
12	A man who supports gender equality, but skeptical towards feminism. A red flag for you? I actually came to say this - I prefer a guy who doesn’t have feminism on the brain at all, for or against.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/04/25 11:49 AM
8	TV show Adolescence gets the pipeline completely wrong Well I’m sure there is a debriefing space after where they explain what they do or how they did it, but police interrogations in general cross into unethical boundaries all the time. Police can and do lie to you to provoke you into confessions, lots of dubious tactics are acceptable. If increased suicidality is a risk at that point they would be appointed a prison psych which is not exactly high quality care from what I can tell. I’m not exactly saying it’s correct, and as I said I haven’t seen …	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/04/25 07:02 PM
16	TV show Adolescence gets the pipeline completely wrong I haven’t seen the show so I don’t want to say too much, but just about forensic psychologists: they don’t do therapy. Their job is to get information out of the person, as much as they can, and that often includes information about how they behave when agitated or upset. Forensic psychologists will absolutely purposefully use insecurities to trigger their clients to get information about how they act when agitated or to see if maybe they slip up and say more when upset. Forensic psychologists a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/04/25 03:49 PM
1	More women than men watch violent, misogynistic porn. What's the reason? Yeah I think I agree with that, it’s weird bc it feels explicit but yeah not erotic at all. And tbf, plenty of more conservative parents had just as much issue with Looking for Alaska as well, so idk there’s definitely nuance, but I do think in general the visual impact of seeing something just makes it more intense But that’s a completely fair point, everyone is bringing their own baggage to the party, we all have different experiences and people are very quick to forget that in discussion, inc…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/04/25 03:03 PM
1	More women than men watch violent, misogynistic porn. What's the reason? I picked this specifically bc the scene in gender queer is also awkward, and the people fumble about and end up discussing consent iirc - and still it seems much more pornographic bc of the drawings. But maybe that’s just me I agree with that, but I just don’t think most women request porn. I don’t engage with any pornography anymore but when I did I never requested, there’s so much already there.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/04/25 12:20 PM
5	More women than men watch violent, misogynistic porn. What's the reason? I’ve played the game with many men and women alike and this is how everyone plays in my experience, but I digress. Yes and similarly in rape kink content, most of the bad and risky elements are cut out - you know the woman isn’t going to die or be disfigured bc she is a porn actress; she has an orgasm; even if they play on the idea that the guy is “breeding” her, you don’t see the trauma from carrying a baby or having to get an abortion; they don’t show the woman experiencing ptsd after the even…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/04/25 12:18 PM
1	More women than men watch violent, misogynistic porn. What's the reason? There is a difference between the intensity of reading something vs watching something - the book gender queer illustrates this perfectly well; bc it is illustrated the sequence with oral sex is much more graphic than a similar sequence in like looking for alaska where the kid gets a bj. Not that it matters, I don’t really think how you engage with media is always reflective of your desires. Millions of boys play gta and don’t see hookers or kill people; on the other hand a bunch of killers foun…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/04/25 12:10 PM
4	More women than men watch violent, misogynistic porn. What's the reason? No, I’m expressing how the majority of people engage with this game. I do get not liking it - specifically because the game rewards you for doing bad things which sits wrong with most people. But I don’t think the people who engage with the fake bad thing actually want to do the bad thing in real life.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/04/25 11:45 AM
5	More women than men watch violent, misogynistic porn. What's the reason? Yeah, ever since this article first came out it reeks of shady stats to me, based on this alone. Depending on the disparity in total porn watching, even if a higher percentage of porn-watching women watch violent content there could be a much higher number of men who watch violent content in general compared to all women	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/04/25 11:43 AM
5	More women than men watch violent, misogynistic porn. What's the reason? What? And then you get in a shootout with the cops until you get board and escape in to the ocean, and then you spend 10 minutes swimming to shore to kill another hooker. It’s like you’ve never played this game	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/04/25 11:39 AM
2	A lot of “icks” and turn-offs are just modern women reinforcing traditional gender roles while pretending to reject them Because I have more than 5 articles of clothing and don’t want to ball them up on the floor? You’ve already spent more than 5 minutes doing laundry by the time it’s done - separating out reds, doing stain treatments and putting everything in, flipping it, and pulling it out when it’s done is already 5 minutes	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/25 02:08 PM
2	A lot of “icks” and turn-offs are just modern women reinforcing traditional gender roles while pretending to reject them On what planet does laundry take 5 minutes a week? Are you just taking all your clean clothes and dumping them on the floor? Folding and hanging laundry takes time	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/25 12:58 PM
1	How do women in relationships react when they meet a man significantly more attractive and more successful than their current partner? It’s not a presumption. Men cheat slightly more - 20% to 13%. Young adults if both sexes cheat at nearly the same rate but older men cheat a lot more especially elderly men which surprises most people on these stats: https://ifstudies.org/blog/who-cheats-more-the-demographics-of-cheating-in-america#:~:text=also%20means%20infidelity.-,In%20general%2C%20men%20are%20more%20likely%20than%20women%20to%20cheat,80%20and%20older%20(24%25). I’m sorry you were cheated on and am glad it didn’t turn you int…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/04/25 10:31 AM
–	Women are the ones red pilling men, not the manosphere And women also have more family and friends, spend more time with family and friends and do most of the family caretaking	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/04/25 01:41 AM
1	It doesn't make sense when women claim that most men just want casual sex. Oh my bad, that’s even better than I thought	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/04/25 12:05 PM
4	It doesn't make sense when women claim that most men just want casual sex. No, it was at an all time high 3 years ago, it’s reversed since lockdowns let up	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/04/25 10:29 AM
5	How do women in relationships react when they meet a man significantly more attractive and more successful than their current partner? Yeah idk why you’re making this gendered either. My ex started sending money to a woman online he was infatuated with at the end of our relationship. Men are actually slightly more likely to cheat, but point is, there are people of both genders who value commitment and people who don’t	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/25 11:36 AM
2	Both sexes experience privileges that the other sex does not. Well I think that would be cutting off your nose to spite your face tbh, bc this info is very in line with feminist thinking imo, that women’s share of mothering is disproportionate enough to cause an earnings gap. But some of the women there do that for sure	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/25 02:36 PM
6	Both sexes experience privileges that the other sex does not. And there’s basically no wage gap for women who aren’t mothers, so that tracks. The vast vast majority of the wage gap comes from working moms, who since they do have family, likely choose jobs and work schedules that they find conducive to motherhood (and pay less)	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/25 10:47 AM
2	Men who were clear and consistent about not wanting kids are no morally different than sperm donors to me. If a man said that he’d be a huge dick but no, that’s still not sexual assault	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/04/25 11:12 AM
4	A case study on why dating is absolutely horrible for men and all men should go MGTOW Not everyone reads the comments for context before replying - if she didn’t add it to the main post then it doesn’t matter, they may still just be reacting to her original post	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/04/25 10:47 AM
4	A case study on why dating is absolutely horrible for men and all men should go MGTOW Ah its this guy again with the “modern woman” motte and bailey	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/04/25 10:44 AM
1	Forced fatherhood is a huge problem that is rarely ever acknowledged Oh I can tell. I have a latex allergy, so forget those, I basically get a red alert; but even nonlatex ones have a feel - everything is a little less warm (esp if lube is used, lube feels so cold to me) and there’s more friction throughout	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/03/25 12:03 PM
14	Most provider men do not end up with traditional women Lmao nice bait	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/03/25 05:30 PM
13	Most provider men do not end up with traditional women No. Miscarriages and birth defects begin to increase (slightly though - 99% of babies born to women in their 30s are healthy), but the TFR for women 30-34 is actually higher than any other 5 year age group. Fertility starts to significantly drop after 40, so you’re about 10 years too early	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/03/25 05:28 PM
3	What responsibility should men and women have respectively? Okay, you’re splitting hairs here, bc most women have a child, and again, most men see zero days in war. Most women do the responsibility which you claim they are failing to do, and most men do not do the responsibility you claim them to be burdened with Plenty of European countries have abolished selective service during peacetime, including Germany, Hungary, France, Portugal, Spain and the UK. Of the countries that haven’t, alternative civilian service is allowed (like in Greece and Denmark), …	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/03/25 04:46 PM
8	What responsibility should men and women have respectively? There’s no punishment for not having kids, but most women do have kids. Similarly, most men do not see combat (assuming you’re talking about the US, or even most of Europe)	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/03/25 10:33 AM
1	I was proven wrong yesterday regarding women and biphobia. But I don't understand the reasoning. Yeah someone in the threads pointed out everyone is afraid that people who are sexually attracted to men at all are actually only attracted to them. Like straight women think bi men must be gay, but lesbian women think bi women must be straight (obviously not all women, but a certain kind of each group). This feels like some kind of internalized misogyny I guess when put that way, like men are obviously preferable so if you “have a choice” like bi people do you would obviously pick men	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/03/25 12:49 AM
1	I was proven wrong yesterday regarding women and biphobia. But I don't understand the reasoning. No, I didn’t say that. Women receive different messaging to different degrees and express participation in patriarchy and homophobia to different degrees as a result. The coverup is the culture. It was approved, tacitly, by Boy Scouts leadership who facilitated the coverup and further abuse of boys. The Boy Scouts were approved and legitimized by wider culture; Eagle Scout status improved college admissions chances, for example. Therefore, the abuse of boys was tacitly approved, for years. The b…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/03/25 12:44 AM
3	I was proven wrong yesterday regarding women and biphobia. But I don't understand the reasoning. Tons of people; parents, church, social media, regular media In the west, there are social conditions that make rape more likely. That is what rape culture means. For example, a very prominent example of a rape culture in the west was seen in the Boy Scouts of America, where boys were sent to overnight sleep away camps without parental supervision where men had undue influence over them and when reports were made were internally investigated and reporters were discouraged from going to police. L…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/25 07:08 PM
0	I was proven wrong yesterday regarding women and biphobia. But I don't understand the reasoning. The patriarchal messaging is what most of them will say when pressed: they are concerned they are actually gay, and gay men are often seen as lesser due to being effeminate, unmasculine, like women. Any flaw anyone has can be blamed on social conditioning. Bad behavior of men is also blamed on conditioning; what do you think rape culture means? It’s talking about the social conditions that make sexual assaults more likely	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/25 04:26 PM
-4	I was proven wrong yesterday regarding women and biphobia. But I don't understand the reasoning. Yeah idk homophobia and misogyny seem to go hand in hand, both sort of stem from a lack of respect for things deemed “unmasculine” Not to say these women aren’t trying to avoid their own homophobia, I’m sure they are, but homophobia is pretty patriarchal imo	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/25 04:18 PM
3	Women live life on easy mode. Do you really think it’s likely considering Vietnam and how unpopular it was in addition to the fact that we have drones and heat seeking missiles and the like now? We would have to have an invasion of our own borders imo, which due to our positioning in the globe is also fairly unlikely	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/25 04:07 PM
4	Women live life on easy mode. “Women aren’t ever forced to do anything” - I mean if we are talking about wartime plenty of women are forcibly raped by invading forces but okay.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/25 03:58 PM
4	Women live life on easy mode. Do you see American men acting differently than Saudi men if they were in the same circumstances? It’s a useless question. We aren’t in those circumstances. There’s no way to know, and it’s not representative of any struggle American men are facing	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/25 02:14 PM
6	Women live life on easy mode. I don’t actually think the situations would be the same at all especially considering that we don’t share a land border with china. America will likely never invoke their draft again, we have modern tools at our disposal, the draft is massively unpopular and the last time we used it was in an incredibly unpopular proxy war that we lost. Again, this is like an American woman frothing about how much men want it to be the handmaids tale, and using the taliban as an example	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/25 12:24 PM
22	Women live life on easy mode. Are you from Ukraine ? Bc if not, using Ukrainian men to argue that men at large are oppressed is like using women in sharia countries to argue western women are oppressed. Dying as a conscript is truly horrific, but the way American dudes use Ukrainian guy’s struggle so that they can make a point to American feminists just screams stolen valor tbh	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/25 09:33 AM
3	Women live life on easy mode. Lmao do you think maybe if literally everyone in this thread has been mentioning women in rural America as a counterpoint that you are the one using the wrong definition? A words meaning is its use, and literally no one is using it like you	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/25 09:29 AM
4	Women live life on easy mode. Except incel doesn’t mean all men, it means men who can’t have sex who would like to. Nice guy actually does have two meanings, and there are people who say the phrase “he’s a nice guy” and don’t mean the modern internet phrase I do know how definitions work. I also know you don’t determine them. Literally no definition of modern western woman would exclude a 20 year old from Kansas City	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/25 09:22 AM
4	Women live life on easy mode. Oh I know, I’m just bothered he’s not even using the terms for this dumb brain rot correctly. But yeah, I honestly thought he had to be trolling but based on his post history he sadly seems legit	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/25 04:09 AM
8	Women live life on easy mode. You know that the west includes Kansas and that gen z women also live there right? You’re cherry picking	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/25 03:33 AM
3	Women live life on easy mode. Idk about all that but it’s funny to see men in America who live arguably the most sheltered and privileged lives of any men in existence complain about being “basically women’s slaves” bc they do nice things to women they want to have sex with (largely of their own volition)	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/25 03:31 AM
8	"Legality does not equal morality" actually it precedes it I mean you could also just think it’s gross. Most morality is just posthoc justification about things that feel bad to people when they think about it. Vegans (for the most part) think eating meat is wrong bc it makes them feel bad, it’s a disgust reaction. They come up with the rationalizations after, the feeling is what made them seek it in the first place It’s legal to consensually “keep” your partner as a pet and for them to dress and act like a dog, or to live as an adult baby and have your…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/03/25 12:18 PM
4	Philophobia is every man's destiny - and curse - as a consequence of daring to trust women. I believe the remedy to this is to never fully trust women, just as women never fully trust men. Instead, take calculated risks. Be aware of the pitfalls, and plan accordingly: just as women do. Of course not, but that’s true of any life experience. Experiences change you. Having my heart broken made me better and I’m in a much better place now having gone through that even though it sucked ass at the time	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/03/25 12:17 PM
4	Philophobia is every man's destiny - and curse - as a consequence of daring to trust women. I believe the remedy to this is to never fully trust women, just as women never fully trust men. Instead, take calculated risks. Be aware of the pitfalls, and plan accordingly: just as women do. Today on red pill nonsense: it is manipulation and monkey branching for women to have friends and family and having these things is evidence she is incapable of love	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/03/25 12:01 PM
3	The patriarchy isn't real Everyone is a product of conditioning by their environment. That doesn’t make you a passive idiot, that makes you normal. The idea of an “independent choice” for literally anyone, man or woman, is a mentalistic fiction. Everyone is reacting to the stimuli presented to them through experience. And up until like 30 years ago, women’s experiences were making less than men (go to 50 years and many women didn’t work), often significantly, and they teach these experiences to their daughters, explicitl…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/25 09:48 PM
3	The patriarchy isn't real OR people can have ideals and fail to live them in every single instance due to other factors. If you offer people small pleasures, they will take them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/25 09:42 PM
6	The patriarchy isn't real Okay well if it’s biological then it’s not misandry either, it’s a biological function of sex selection, just like men preferring youth. If women aren’t dating, how are they objectifying men as financial objects? They aren’t getting financial resources from them if they aren’t interacting with them romantically or sexually. Also, as I said, there are also more relationships where women earn more or as much as their partner than their used to be, which does suggest this is not what is happening, …	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/25 09:39 PM
2	The patriarchy isn't real It means women would create societies by and for women. I don’t think that part of the solution is realistic, but that’s what she offers. Women don’t have “ingrained misandry”; they have been conditioned by basically all of history that the best - and in some places only - way for women to secure resources is by securing a man. So of course that’s how they see men. As women earn more money there are more female bread winners and more women not dating at all, showing that when women have other me…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/25 08:11 PM
5	The patriarchy isn't real Yeah, women making their own money is the prerequisite and once that’s achieved her solution seems to be female separatism - however she is cloudier on this as at the time she was writing women really couldn’t provide for themselves alone, so that was her main focus, at least in Right Wing Women, which was her book about women voting and campaigning against “women’s liberation” (in quotes bc she was fairly critical of how the woman’s lib movement was going and their aims) and their reasonings.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/25 07:36 PM
-1	The patriarchy isn't real Sure, and plenty of feminists say this, read Dworkin	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/25 07:08 PM
4	The patriarchy isn't real If you actually want your girlfriend more than a VS model then there are things about your girlfriend that are more attractive than the model to you. You find your girlfriend to be better than the model and would prefer her for a relationship. Preferring someone for a relationship with one person to someone else is literally the definition of finding that person more attractive. Your last paragraph, you may be projecting your good and healthy feelings about women on other men. Not all men will f…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/25 05:23 PM
3	The patriarchy isn't real Thanks for clarifying! This is actually a really good question and I am not sure where I stand. A lot of feminists, especially in the second wave, think that yeah if left up to free will patriarchy will just continue. DeBeauvoir said women would have to be forced out of stay-at-home motherhood, bc too many women would choose it and without financial independence women would remain subordinate. It’s kind of a doomer perspective but it may be true. Others think that over time with stepwise approxi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/25 03:31 PM
3	The patriarchy isn't real Women get angry bc men talk about hypergamy as a one sided gendered issue, and paint women out to be shallow and cruel, when literally everyone is hypergamous. Everyone wants to date the most attractive people, that’s what it means to be attractive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/25 03:14 PM
1	The patriarchy isn't real I don’t understand your question? Are you asking if it’s still patriarchy if women perpetuate it? I would say yes	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/25 03:13 PM
3	The patriarchy isn't real It may seem like a bad argument since you missed the point of my comment entirely. You don’t have the choice to be born in a world that doesn’t use exploitative labor; you do have the choice to use less of that labor by not buying iPhones and other goods made with it. Most people don’t make this choice because most people aren’t going to forego the benefits of a system especially when they still have the drawbacks affecting them Women don’t have the choice to be born in a world that values their…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/25 03:09 PM
2	The patriarchy isn't real This is absolutely normal in any system. You’ve never seen people complain about slave labor or unfair working conditions from their iPhone? People complain about the system they are in, if they don’t like it, but they still live in that system. It would be dumb to forgo all benefits and only deal with the drawbacks of such a system	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/25 01:04 PM
7	The patriarchy isn't real Yeah right what kind of question is this? There are tons of NGOs and aid to promote women’s rights in these places. Just telling on themselves that they don’t care about women’s issues and their only encounters with them is what some baby tumblr feminist says online	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/25 12:56 PM
21	Husband material This is the correct read. I can see how it’s an insult in some circumstances but if you have a healthy sex life and she says this that means you’re the whole package for her	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/02/25 08:16 PM
–	It's perfectly valid for inexperienced men to feel insecure about their sexual performance while dating a much more experienced women, as society constantly puts the burden of good sex on men. Fair enough. I do know some lesbians and yeah they are putting in more effort than me as a straight woman I bet tbh. I do agree there is more difficulty in getting women off but a lot of the orgasm gap is due to hookups tbh - it’s much more similar for straight women and lesbians when you look at LTRS only iirc. I would imagine this is a little bit due to a mix of what you and the other commenter are saying: women are more difficult and so less likely to cum in a casual encounter but with a part…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/02/25 12:43 PM
–	It's perfectly valid for inexperienced men to feel insecure about their sexual performance while dating a much more experienced women, as society constantly puts the burden of good sex on men. Even if this is true doesn’t that make men worse partners since lesbians choose to put in the work and men do not, by and large?	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/02/25 12:21 PM
–	Its very rare for a man to find a woman who genuinely likes him for who he is as a human being, instead of what he provides. Yeah I find this line of thinking delusional, men and women may have different expectations but obviously men have expectations for women (in a relationship - for sex they seem to have few standards)	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/25 12:19 PM
–	Its very rare for a man to find a woman who genuinely likes him for who he is as a human being, instead of what he provides. Perform better? But that’s the point, men can perform better too. Women are attracted to performances of competence, men performances of femininity. Neither is generally looking underneath the performance	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/25 12:18 PM
0	Men typically have an external locus of control mindset when it comes to dating and generally underestimate the effectiveness of working on themselves I didn’t label you a misogynist, I was explaining why I made the comment I did to the guy who said the disparity has to be done away with, who, in case you were wondering, went on to explain women are enslaving men. You jumped in on a convo already being had, I was explaining the context	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/25 11:57 PM
0	Men typically have an external locus of control mindset when it comes to dating and generally underestimate the effectiveness of working on themselves I mean I kind of agree, but he said the disparity needs to go, that’s the only way I see that happening unless sex somehow becomes entirely removed from the possibility of pregnancy bc that impacts a lot of female choosiness across all species	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/25 10:40 PM
-1	Men typically have an external locus of control mindset when it comes to dating and generally underestimate the effectiveness of working on themselves I mean I actually don’t disagree, this is a biological issue because men simply have a much higher sex drive and sex is a lower risk activity for them. But it’s not as though it’s women’s fault that men don’t have standards for them as the other way around. It’s down to sex differences	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/25 10:39 PM
1	Men typically have an external locus of control mindset when it comes to dating and generally underestimate the effectiveness of working on themselves And the go to valuable jobs for men are construction and military despite the fact that most men don’t work these jobs, so what’s your point? At least women actually work their valuable jobs in mass. Name one of these “hundreds of jobs” that aren’t construction and military. The question wasn’t about how hard the jobs are, it’s about how vital they are to society and the workforce. Men overwhelmingly do not do these jobs, 88% of nurses are women, 77% of teachers are women and when you get into E…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/25 05:09 PM
1	Men typically have an external locus of control mindset when it comes to dating and generally underestimate the effectiveness of working on themselves What? Women absolutely contribute to the work force. The top employers for women are not academic frivolous bullshit like you imply - it’s nurses, caregivers and teachers. Yes I believe a woman tending to men in the hospital and on battlefields and women tending to elderly that their family won’t or can’t care for is absolutely equivalent to building houses and being police, both are vital. All people pay taxes. Society doesn’t have empathy for women or men. Women are told to choose better, wome…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/25 03:59 PM
-1	Men typically have an external locus of control mindset when it comes to dating and generally underestimate the effectiveness of working on themselves So men, if they thought this was really unfair, would go on strike, not give them sex, not give them relationships, until women meet what they deem is an equitable standard. If they keep giving women what they want without asking for anything in return it’s obviously going to lead to women continuing to behave how they currently do - they are getting what they want. That being said, your perspective just seems incredibly biased and not based in reality. Women are not handed protection, provision…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/25 03:02 PM
-1	Men typically have an external locus of control mindset when it comes to dating and generally underestimate the effectiveness of working on themselves Women only don’t because men will have sex with nearly any woman. This is bc male sexuality and female sexuality is different, and sexual gratification is different. For many men, what I’ve heard, sex is better than masturbation no matter who your partner is, so may as well pick any partner; this is not the case for women, bad sex with someone you aren’t attracted to can literally hurt you as a woman, so if there isn’t a chance the guy can get you going you may as well just go home to your vibe	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/25 01:30 PM
2	Men typically have an external locus of control mindset when it comes to dating and generally underestimate the effectiveness of working on themselves If you want this disparity to go away, it seems like the best solution would be for men to raise their standards and not have sex with any woman the way it is described they do here. Women have options bc men make themselves options for any woman who will have them - men don’t bc women don’t do this.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/25 01:22 PM
3	My friends GF broke up with him because he only has a part time job Coasting off of your families beneficence is a red flag	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/02/25 05:41 PM
4	Marriage Is Clearly Illogical for Men Given The Statistics I mean you kind of touch on a huge solution in your OP - get a prenup. If you’re concerned about the loss of your assets, get a prenup before marriage and that will help greatly. It’s also worth noting that 40-50% isn’t random. You can adjust it by having traits not associated with divorce - picking a wife that’s educated, within 4 years of your age, not spending too much on the wedding, etc. - all these factors reduce the rate of divorce	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/02/25 12:02 PM
1	Gen Z males are not dating as much, but what about gen Z women? I just gotta say I so love all your comments in here filled to the brim with citations and how little of a response you are getting to them because people don’t deal in facts here	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/02/25 10:28 PM
3	Gen Z males are not dating as much, but what about gen Z women? I mean considering how much gay people were over represented in that study everyone pulls for this point, yes, it’s pretty likely the women were dating each other	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/02/25 10:25 PM
1	How are young men being disenfranchised? I think most would pick B but if C means “challenging” I think most women would challenge it, but confrontation looks different for women and men so men may not clock that is what they are doing. Anecdotally I have a friend who has a men ain’t shit perspective, she does have a boyfriend but he sucks - 10 years older with a worse job than her, always needing to bum rides because he has no car, he’s always cheating on her but accusing her of cheating, etc. - and she stays in large part bc she’s li…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/01/25 12:02 PM
2	How are young men being disenfranchised? I think B. That’s how I feel about the situation, other people’s opinions can’t be “wrong”. If she doesn’t want a man that’s on her and there’s nothing wrong with being single if you want that. But most women do want a man - them saying they don’t want one is usually a form of cope that they haven’t found any they would want or could receive companionship from.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/01/25 11:30 AM
3	How are young men being disenfranchised? I don’t think this is reflective of reality. Women who say “I don’t need a man” generally do still want one, for companionship. These things are not mutually exclusive at all	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/01/25 11:10 AM
2	How are young men being disenfranchised? I think at least half	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/01/25 01:06 AM
5	How are young men being disenfranchised? I agree. There’s bound to be growing pains and that is what we are experiencing I think	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/01/25 09:36 PM
5	How are young men being disenfranchised? I mean quite seriously? Companionship, intimacy, partnership, and yes of course family. Isn’t it better to be desired for those things than needed for your wallet? It feels to me that is what men desire from women in relationships, and that seems preferable than being bound by material need.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/01/25 09:15 PM
7	How are young men being disenfranchised? I mean personally I don’t think talk therapy is that helpful for women either, as you may guess from my username I’m of the behavioral school of thought and I find most talk therapy is as you describe it for most everyone - indulging in maladaptive behavior patterns and reinforcing them. Funnily enough I am in my first watch of the Sopranos currently and even though Dr. Melfi is a rather competent talk therapist the show portrays perfectly why it doesn’t work that well. Tony does not improve lma…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/01/25 06:29 PM
6	How are young men being disenfranchised? You’re assuming that therapy means talk therapy. There’s behavioral therapy which focuses much more on actions and goals than talking about feelings. It can be harder to find but practices like Acceptance and Commitment Therapy and AIM focus on behavioral principles and actionable change	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/01/25 06:13 PM
9	Are Women Fueling Their Own Loss of Rights by Promoting Outdated Ideologies? 33% of women identify as prolife, a minority, but not a huge minority	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/01/25 05:49 AM
–	I recently ran into a girl who rejected me years ago, the tables have turned I’ve aged well & she looked terrible yet somehow still acted awkward/standoffish as if I should be embarrassed or nervous around her. This perfectly epitomizes TRP in its entirety. Yup, being obsessed with women who rejected you when you were young and building revenge fantasies in your head about how lonely and miserable they must be does perfectly epitomize the red pill	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/01/25 11:48 AM
4	There are lots of women who will counterintuitively RAISE their standards in the face of nonsuccess in dating But it’s an assumption they didn’t earn it. Attractive people are more sociable, confident, have bigger social networks - why wouldn’t they? Being attractive will mean people will be nice and outgoing with you so you get practice socializing and with practice comes skill. They’re more intelligent on average. They are less likely to have negative affect. Yes, being attractive is what gets their foot in the door but once it’s in there, they learn all kinds of skills that makes them actually better…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/01/25 08:36 PM
7	There are lots of women who will counterintuitively RAISE their standards in the face of nonsuccess in dating Nah this is a form of just world theory that a lot of men here believe, as if people are built like video game characters and if you put too many points into attractiveness or charisma you must have less points to put into kindness and honesty. It doesn’t work that way, more attractive people tend to score higher across all positive attributes including IQ	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/01/25 08:30 PM
4	More women than men (56 percent) in he US live in poverty. Feminism may be the reason. I think if all it takes is a lawyer saying “I wouldn’t” to stop you from giving your kid the best life possible you’re a shit parent	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/01/25 04:25 PM
10	More women than men (56 percent) in he US live in poverty. Feminism may be the reason. Yeah imagine telling this story about your friend giving up their kid half the time to be abused without a fight and thinking that’s a good dad	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/01/25 04:24 PM
6	More women than men (56 percent) in he US live in poverty. Feminism may be the reason. I say this all the time. The only time the state actually hassles men for CS is when mom is seeking welfare and the state is trying to put that payment on the father instead of itself.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/01/25 04:23 PM
14	More women than men (56 percent) in he US live in poverty. Feminism may be the reason. You admit yourself your friend chose not to fight. If his ex was truly abusive then that makes him neglectful at best. You don’t just go “hmm oh well, I guess my kid gets to be abused half the time 🤷🏻‍♀️” and be a good parent I know this bc my uncle had a similar situation and now his ex only has visitation every other weekend, because he went to court to fight it bc she was crazy and neglectful	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/01/25 04:20 PM
5	More women than men (56 percent) in he US live in poverty. Feminism may be the reason. Plenty of countries report this data. You could start with those Yes exactly, there are multiple variables that exist which is why correlations can’t be used to determine causes. You haven’t even determined a correlation. There are almost no countries similar enough to the United States that you could do a one to one comparison, but once you start controlling for variables you are getting into experimentation, not correlation analysis anyways. You don’t seem to have a very strong understanding o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/01/25 04:13 PM
6	More women than men (56 percent) in he US live in poverty. Feminism may be the reason. You don’t need academic research to determine this correlation. All you need is census data about the relative poverty of women to men in different countries and knowledge of how feminist that country is to create a correlation yourself. For example Iran, which is certainly not a feminist paradise, also has more impoverished women than men. That’s just two countries but based on those two there’s no correlation.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/01/25 03:55 PM
8	More women than men (56 percent) in he US live in poverty. Feminism may be the reason. That’s not the question, that’s not what a correlation is. A correlation would show that countries with more feminists and feminist ideology have more women in poverty than countries with less feminism or feminist ideology	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/01/25 02:42 PM
–	As a woman, I really don't get the logic behind "I got used for sex" Yeah I wouldn’t say any of the things I said applies to her then. Flirting is casual and does not promise commitment imo	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/01/25 08:36 PM
0	When You’re On a Date with a Woman, She Usually Has 3 Other Guys Already Before women get into committed relationships they are single, and they get into relationships with 50% of men under 35.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/01/25 03:21 PM
0	When You’re On a Date with a Woman, She Usually Has 3 Other Guys Already Yes, and it is mathematically impossible since 60% of men have children and half of men under 35 are in committed relationships. Obviously women are sleeping with and forming relationships and having families with men not in that 20%. Just by numbers they have to be	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/01/25 03:15 PM
1	As a woman, I really don't get the logic behind "I got used for sex" Sort of, I would say look for active interest - he asks about you, he wants to talk to you, he wants to see you, he’s not hot and cold, he’s not wishy washy about plans or seeing you or introducing you to his friends and family and vice versa. It’s corny but like, if he wants to he truly will.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/01/25 01:39 AM
2	As a woman, I really don't get the logic behind "I got used for sex" Yes it is. Those men think it’s better to lie bc they think it’s more important to get their dick wet short term than to have integrity about who you are and what you want. That makes you shitty	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/01/25 05:02 PM
1	As a woman, I really don't get the logic behind "I got used for sex" lol do you think this is the only way to make it clear you aren’t looking for a relationship? You can just say “I’m not looking for a relationship, I don’t want anything serious”. That’s pretty clear	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/01/25 02:50 PM
3	The reasons women show while talking against "financial" abortion is eerily similar to the same reasoning that conservatives show for banning abortion. I haven’t seen that at all. I have seen feminist groups complain that trials for male birth control pills keep getting pulled due to side effects, as many of the side effects are similar to those the pill for women give you, but that’s complaining in the opposite direction	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/01/25 12:59 PM
10	As a woman, I really don't get the logic behind "I got used for sex" I mean I agree ultimately, i just think your female player friend shouldn’t pretend she’s looking for a long term thing (not saying she does pretend, just as an example since you brought her up). There’s nothing wrong with just wanting sex with strangers, or a casual situation, why not just say that?	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/01/25 04:20 AM
4	As a woman, I really don't get the logic behind "I got used for sex" Yeah I think that’s honest and people shouldn’t expect anything if they have sex with you; then they had the full knowledge of whether that’s something they want to do even without that promise But yes, you live and learn. Things go badly sometimes. All you can do is try better next time	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/01/25 04:18 AM
31	As a woman, I really don't get the logic behind "I got used for sex" There is a specific kind of man who pretends to be about commitment and hold it out like it’s coming. There’s nothing wrong with being a promiscuous man upfront about your intentions. It’s corny and sort of skeevy to pretend like you’re all about a relationship just to get a girl to sleep with you. That being said, you can spot these guys so yeah, women should look for this before having sex. I admittedly did not really do this for a long time and ended up in bad spots. I think those guys were s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/01/25 04:07 AM
2	We need to bring back witches and sirens and other evil female archetypes to teach young men Yeah it’s not a story with any good people in it tbh, the true lady American psycho	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/01/25 10:45 PM
2	Single parenthood is bad for the kids. There are no sources on this, the best you can find is that only half of single moms were never married, while the other half are divorced or widowed. Obviously widowed women don’t have a deadbeat dad. Divorced women I would wager the dad knew, and consented, since they were married. For unmarried women it could go either way. What I do know is that paper abortions would not get rid of deadbeat dads, period. My problem is that it’s an irrelevant point. I said that. It doesn’t stop the issue, you…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/01/25 02:47 PM
3	Single parenthood is bad for the kids. People in this thread were talking about deadbeat dads and single moms as a whole, you are assuming arguments that weren’t made at all in the comment you replied to so you can bring up paper abortions again. Most deadbeat dads consented to fatherhood, so this is an irrelevant point to the issue, as allowing this would not prevent the issue being discussed, as there are many who leave once the baby is born, and these kids are still subjected to worse outcomes	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/01/25 02:32 PM
3	Single parenthood is bad for the kids. I did read the whole conversation here where you inserted your pet point about consent to parenthood. The topic was single moms and deadbeat dads, and you’re claiming we can’t say anything about the latter without talking about consent to parenthood, as if most deadbeat fathers are forced to having a kid they don’t want, as if there aren’t tons of deadbeat dads who want to and consent to being a dad before dipping later.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/01/25 02:18 PM
3	Single parenthood is bad for the kids. Do you think all deadbeat dads are forced to parenthood? There are many who leave after the kid is born, a divorce, etc.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/01/25 02:11 PM
8	To be an exception, you have to actually be exceptional. This is the best take imo for men and women imo. People are entitled to high standards - doesn’t mean they’ll find that person but if they prefer being alone to settling, then there’s nothing wrong with that at all.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/01/25 01:58 PM
1	We need to bring back witches and sirens and other evil female archetypes to teach young men A24 is one of the only studios that seems to still be putting out consistently interesting stuff! I haven’t been keeping up with my movies lately but every time I do see a trailer that seems good it is them. I also loved Get Out!	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/01/25 03:27 AM
3	We need to bring back witches and sirens and other evil female archetypes to teach young men Yeah it’s like every new movie is a remake or a Disney/Marvel movie. The last good Hollywood movie I can remember seeing is Vice, and that’s like 5 years old now? 7?	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/01/25 01:22 AM
3	We need to bring back witches and sirens and other evil female archetypes to teach young men I haven’t seen it! Some of my examples are sympathetic too (promising young woman especially) but yeah, still a woman luring men to his demise	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/01/25 01:09 AM
7	We need to bring back witches and sirens and other evil female archetypes to teach young men Did these movies stop existing or something? They’re still there to watch. You were acting as though there haven’t been any of these stories since the days of witches and sirens, they were making these movies in the 2010s. I mean in general the last 10 years just doesn’t have great movies imo, so I’m pretty light on new examples.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/01/25 01:08 AM
15	We need to bring back witches and sirens and other evil female archetypes to teach young men Misery is older, but 30 years is still modern enough compared to siren and witches tales of yore; you haven’t seen 3 of them so that shows there may be plenty you haven’t seen bc I haven’t seen all of them either I’m sure; orphan absolutely does have that archetype because she’s actually 30 years old and pretending to be a little girl to lure the family; Jennifer’s Body same deal as Misery, 15 years is not that long ago when you were talking about olden stories and wondering where they went; Car…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/01/25 01:00 AM
33	We need to bring back witches and sirens and other evil female archetypes to teach young men Misery, X, Promising Young Woman, Antichrist, Get Out, The Orphan, (actually lots of horror movies still have this premise now that I’m thinking about it) ETA: Jennifer’s Body, Carrie… there are quite a few movies like this	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/01/25 12:42 AM
25	We need to bring back witches and sirens and other evil female archetypes to teach young men Gone Girl came out in 2014	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/01/25 12:31 AM
4	How should child support work? Yes if dad has enough money that he has a private jet and a mansion, it makes sense to try and keep the kid from being in a mansion half the time and an apartment and a city bus the other half. It is about the needs of the child, bc going back and forth between those environments is likely to cause alienation against the poor parent for no reason other than that they are poor. Nobody making enough money that they would receive a CS ruling like this is going to jail for not paying. They have the …	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/25 08:26 PM
6	How should child support work? It’s not across the board, it’s literally the exception. It’s specifically done in the cases where there is shared custody and a large disparity of income that makes it so there is a markedly different quality of life between homes, so that this difference does not lead to parental alienation. Most people marry within their own socioeconomic milieu so this almost never happens	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/25 06:40 PM
2	How should child support work? Yes, we were talking about instances with shared custody where child support is still awarded. That only happens if there is a large enough income disparity to cause a difference in quality of life between the homes of the parents sharing custody	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/25 04:37 PM
8	How should child support work? Most of the time there wouldn’t be which is why most of the time in 50/50 there is no cs. There is only cs for 50/50 if one parent has significantly more income to the point that quality of life would be reduced at the other parent’s house. It’s to prevent alienation	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/25 03:16 PM
19	How should child support work? Unfortunately not surprising, many people here view children as punishment in general, a burden foisted on men and a consequence for women who have sex. They don’t consider children as people with needs to be fulfilled	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/25 02:47 PM
3	How should child support work? In child support cases it’s not being taken for nothing, it’s being taken for the child since you have (in most cases) decided not to physically be there. That’s your choice, in the vast majority of cases men choose to have less parenting time. if you parent half the time you won’t have CS.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/25 02:32 PM
3	How should child support work? What do you think primary custody means?	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/25 02:24 PM
4	How should child support work? If you only see your dad on the weekends, your mom is considered to have primary custody, not shared or joint custody.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/25 02:09 PM
8	How should child support work? The vast majority of men who fight for 50/50 get it, it is the default arrangement in most jurisdictions	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/25 02:03 PM
2	How should child support work? Yeah I’m sure the government doesn’t stiff you ever. But still, the owner loses their right to sell when they want, the state makes you whether you want to or not.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/25 02:00 PM
4	How should child support work? Every other weekend is not considered shared custody, shared custody presumes similar time is spent with the child	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/25 01:59 PM
4	How should child support work? Most men are choosing less than 50/50 time, the vast majority of men do not fight for joint custody	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/25 01:54 PM
9	How should child support work? 30% of awarded child support is entirely unpaid, and most of those men are not in jail. Mothers only even seek child support half the time so that means the minority of men are making full child support payments. The idea that tons of men are thrown in jail for this is really not how it works in reality. The norm is to not pay anything	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/25 01:51 PM
2	How should child support work? The state can do this. It’s called eminent domain	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/25 01:45 PM
16	How should child support work? The idea is a child shouldn’t have to have reduced quality of life half the time just because their parents couldn’t make their relationship work	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/25 01:44 PM
1	When You’re On a Date with a Woman, She Usually Has 3 Other Guys Already This makes even less sense than assuming all women are sleeping with one top 20% guy. 50% of people under 35 are in committed relationships. This is just mathematically impossible if women only sleep with the top 20%	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/25 01:42 PM
-1	When You’re On a Date with a Woman, She Usually Has 3 Other Guys Already Sure, but this doesn’t somehow mean women have harems of at least 4 men all fitting different descriptors as described by OP. If a woman is running a roster, they will all be guys she finds attractive off the apps or something. What you are saying is not the same as the list of men OP describes	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/25 11:25 PM
1	When You’re On a Date with a Woman, She Usually Has 3 Other Guys Already But even if the first two guys were lonely they wouldn’t be lonely guys complaining about not getting laid, according to the op they are getting laid, just not commitment. And most girls with the situationship you describe don’t have a roster, they are dumping commitment on the guy hoping he will do the same. Nothing about this checks out. If a girl does keep a roster, which most don’t, it will be mostly of type 4 guys, maybe some type 3s	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/25 09:47 PM
0	When You’re On a Date with a Woman, She Usually Has 3 Other Guys Already I see, well you do have a more nuanced take than most which is why my responses are stilted that way. Most people do take the people who date around as representative for most people around these parts.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/25 08:01 PM
1	When You’re On a Date with a Woman, She Usually Has 3 Other Guys Already Yeah this doesn’t even make sense when you assume each woman is just looking for 1 top 5% man (since half of under 35s are in a committed relationship, so clearly women are dating outside the top 5%, or how could 50% be in a relationship). It makes no sense at all when you assume she now also has 4 of them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/25 07:18 PM
4	When You’re On a Date with a Woman, She Usually Has 3 Other Guys Already So now women aren’t each sharing the one guy they’re with, who is Chad and doesn’t have to commit, they’re sharing 4 guys each? Only one of whom is the Chad who won’t commit to her? Yeah the math doesn’t make sense here at all.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/25 07:08 PM
3	When You’re On a Date with a Woman, She Usually Has 3 Other Guys Already Yeah and that list is the part you’re most incorrect about. Most of the time it’s all guy number 4.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/25 05:31 PM
4	When You’re On a Date with a Woman, She Usually Has 3 Other Guys Already Okay then I don’t understand why you’re acting like you’re dropping some big secret truth. Yes people who are casually dating are not exclusively dating, that’s definitional.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/25 05:29 PM
9	When You’re On a Date with a Woman, She Usually Has 3 Other Guys Already Yeah if you’re casually dating off the app, most women (and men) are talking to multiple people - talking, not necessarily sleeping with. And those other people they are talking to are usually other people off the app, all guy number 4s, maybe potentially some guy number 3s mixed in if she is also sleeping around, but the other options you listed are exceptions. That’s what makes casual dating different from exclusive dating. I really don’t see the issue. Is your expectation that women be talkin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/25 05:08 PM
16	When You’re On a Date with a Woman, She Usually Has 3 Other Guys Already Women don’t typically have harems. There are some women who cheat, and some women who play the field before becoming exclusive - which I would not really call a harem either, for either gender. If women drop all the other men when you ask to be exclusive, then it’s clear she wasn’t really juggling those men as options was she? She was just getting off while she was single.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/25 04:45 PM
11	When You’re On a Date with a Woman, She Usually Has 3 Other Guys Already Like you always tell women, choose better	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/25 04:41 PM
35	When You’re On a Date with a Woman, She Usually Has 3 Other Guys Already If even 20% of women had a harem like this there wouldn’t be enough lonely men to complain about how they never get laid	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/25 04:39 PM
1	Young chronically single men thanks to their mothers And if you don’t make sure to choose not to cum in a woman, you are still responsible for the consequences of that choice if the woman then decides not to abort. Just like it isn’t up to a woman if a guy decides to cum in her after allowing sex without a condom - it’s not up to a man of a woman decides not to abort after he cums in her. Men can choose better just like women can	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/25 11:08 AM
1	Young chronically single men thanks to their mothers Okay, so? Those men still get to choose to cum inside her or not after being chosen. They can choose not to do that	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/25 11:06 AM
4	Young chronically single men thanks to their mothers I mean it is, how could it not be? You’re the one doing it. Assuming she lets you have unprotected sex with her, it is still your choice to cum inside her, pull out, or say no to sex without a condom. There is an exception for baby trapping, like if she pokes holes in your condoms or something. But in most situations of accidental pregnancy the woman is on the pill or claiming to be, and the man is choosing to cum inside her	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/01/25 07:09 PM
7	Young chronically single men thanks to their mothers And men choose who gets to be a mom. Like you know how sex works? Men choose to do the only thing that makes a baby possible	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/01/25 06:55 PM
4	Young chronically single men thanks to their mothers There is a father, and he is failing even harder at parenting than the mother who stayed	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/01/25 06:50 PM
4	Young chronically single men thanks to their mothers And he chose to nut in her, that’s only up to him, what is your point? Don’t nut in women you don’t want to have kids with	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/01/25 06:48 PM
17	Young chronically single men thanks to their mothers Not all deadbeat dads are like that. My mom met mine when they were working at a daycare together. When she got pregnant, the fact that he worked well with kids and knew how to handle them seemed like a strong reason to keep the pregnancy and try to stay together (they were youngish, 18 and 20). I haven’t seen him since I was 1 and a half - he sent me a fb friend request (no message) when I was 18 and that was the extent of his attempts to contact me. What I found out from scanning his profile i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/01/25 05:01 PM
0	Women do actually hate the idea of sex robots despite saying otherwise. I think comparing sex robots to vibrators is kind of crazy. Sex robots seem to be designed to replace the whole woman - they are supposed to provide companionship and be loving and be realistic and ideal romantic mates. Vibrators are only meant to replace the sex part, and tbh they’re not even like penises at all. If I actually want a penis, a vibrator isn’t like that and won’t fulfill that. You can also break out the vibe with a partner and use it together (recommend). I don’t have anything to …	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/01/25 11:39 AM
5	why won't women engage with men? Lmao are they? Bc I see a million trillion posts of men whining about how lonely they are and how they can’t get a date and that’s all they want. Meanwhile I see women bowing out and getting cats or whatever	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/25 01:35 AM
8	why won't women engage with men? “I’ve tried nothing and I’m all out of ideas!!” Whatever it takes to justify being someone with no agency or accountability. Couldn’t be me.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/25 12:02 AM
8	why won't women engage with men? I mean okay so continue to do nothing and get no dates while you wait for the perfect woman to fall out of the sky and approach you. Sounds like a foolproof plan	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/25 11:44 PM
12	why won't women engage with men? lol, you don’t actually know until you ask them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/25 11:33 PM
4	why won't women engage with men? I mean clearly there is something wrong with it, or they may be engaging in things that destroy the chance of your profile being seen, like suicide swiping. Even still, 60% of couples still meet offline. It’s not like your only option is to sit and wait until a girl matches you, and if that’s what they are doing they are exactly the same as those men I was talking about who have never asked anyone out. Waiting for a match is not asking someone out	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/25 11:25 PM
5	why won't women engage with men? I was adding to your point about self-defeatism. I would wager most of the dating problems across the board are self imposed. The women you mentioned, the men I mentioned, I mean it just seems like mostly people getting in their own way imo.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/25 11:21 PM
9	why won't women engage with men? yes. When you call them on it they will say “you aren’t allowed to approach women”.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/25 11:14 PM
15	why won't women engage with men? And then there are tons of gen z boys complaining that they’ve never had a date when like 40% of them admit they’ve never asked anyone out. People are hypocrites, especially bitter people	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/25 11:09 PM
2	Marriage is unattractive for higher earners or providers because of outdated legal elements that aren’t compatible with social norms. Well as the zoomer women start to outearn zoomer men I’m sure they will be convinced. I’m a woman and I see why they are smart. I also see why most people don’t get them, as even aside from stigma around them the 50/50 arrangement really does just work for most - most people marry from within their own socioeconomic class so it’s just fine for most. Most people don’t pay alimony for a reason	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/25 01:26 AM
2	Marriage is unattractive for higher earners or providers because of outdated legal elements that aren’t compatible with social norms. Mere love is not enough to live on, we live in a world with financial requirements. If you are going to financially entangle yourself with another person through buying a home together or having children together, it’s honestly stupid to not form a financial contract with them that outlines what should happen if you suddenly want deentangled. That’s what marriage does. Now if you keep all accounts separate and always rent and never have kids? Sure there’s no real benefit (other than the tax brea…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 06:55 PM
5	Marriage is unattractive for higher earners or providers because of outdated legal elements that aren’t compatible with social norms. Prenups should just be normalized. People, especially in this sub, have the idea that if you get married you are just doomed to give up half your stuff. That’s only true if you don’t have a prenup. Marriage is a contract, and primarily a financial one (you can just live and love someone forever without getting married) that provides tax breaks and a financial agreement should you split up. If you don’t have a prenup, the state defaults to 50/50 (plus whatever CS payments/arrangements may arise i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/25 05:30 PM
23	CMV: Most people are boring and things like hobbies doesn't matter when it comes to dating Hobbies are a proxy for competence and drive. You don’t need to have them, but they can be a bonus. Women (usually) want a well rounded man that displays competence in and out of the workplace. If you work an entry level job and come home and watch tv then that just reads as someone with no drive or ambition. Disclaimer - I do know there are lots of women who this description as well, but A. That’s never been me so I can’t speak for them and B. Men seem to care a little less about women being co…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/25 09:15 PM
4	Women try to dismiss their delusional entitlement by saying “women should be able to date who they want” despite the obvious fact that literally no one is suggesting otherwise But dating should be about having your cake and eating it too. You should hold out for someone who treats you well, who you have fun with and who you find attractive. You shouldn’t have to settle on these qualities. I would say women who date toxic men have standards that are too low, personally. You should hold a higher standard for how people treat you	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 03:08 PM
2	Women try to dismiss their delusional entitlement by saying “women should be able to date who they want” despite the obvious fact that literally no one is suggesting otherwise And I mean if she decides to do that, I would hope that man would be like “what the fuck you psycho” and avoid that woman. Being a person who turns your choices on others also has consequences, generally not good ones. Maladaptive behaviors lead to poor outcomes, that is the consequence.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 02:00 PM
2	Women try to dismiss their delusional entitlement by saying “women should be able to date who they want” despite the obvious fact that literally no one is suggesting otherwise The latter may be rarer but I wouldn’t say these women who don’t reflect get off free and clear as is implied. They are being held to account, but whether they decide to take that is a different story. But thank you, I’m in a much better place now	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 01:56 PM
10	Women try to dismiss their delusional entitlement by saying “women should be able to date who they want” despite the obvious fact that literally no one is suggesting otherwise I mean immature and irresponsible people will always be looking for an out but I think that’s irrespective of gender I dated the wrong guy and he kept me down, fucked up a lot of my interpersonal relationships for a while, ruined a lot of major events - he was a black hole type personality. But I actively chose to stay there, everyone I knew told me to get out, early on. I ignored them and that’s on me and I did face consequences for those choices. I feel like women who make bad choices do face …	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 12:46 PM
3	Women try to dismiss their delusional entitlement by saying “women should be able to date who they want” despite the obvious fact that literally no one is suggesting otherwise I feel like this still happens. I received a lot of criticism from friends and family while I was dating the wrong man. It annoyed me at the time but that was one of the fallouts I was speaking of, and it is those things that accumulate and make you rectify your choices.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 12:39 PM
23	Women try to dismiss their delusional entitlement by saying “women should be able to date who they want” despite the obvious fact that literally no one is suggesting otherwise But so what? If you’re fine taking the bus until that day that’s your right, and if you prefer taking the bus to having a car with lower specs than you expect, who loses here? Car salesman?	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 11:28 AM
19	Women try to dismiss their delusional entitlement by saying “women should be able to date who they want” despite the obvious fact that literally no one is suggesting otherwise “In reality humans have autonomy and must be held accountable” What does accountability look like for choosing to date the “wrong” men? What consequences are you imagining? To me the consequences of dating someone are that you have to date that person. If women choose to date a toxic man bc he’s handsome and rich or something, the consequences will be that she’s dating a toxic man and will deal with all the fallout that comes from doing so. There’s no escaping those consequences. What other cons…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 11:25 AM
3	Why do we as a society make up these random fallacies about women? That is true about women, but the data comes from dating apps where you generally can’t glean information like personality. It gives you only looks. Which they are pickier about, precisely bc they have less visual appetite; just like people who don’t have much appetite for food are pickier We know this is true bc adding a net worth below a man changes how women rate them, while the inverse isn’t true. This is bc men really value looks while women will consider factors like being provided for	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/25 01:24 AM
3	Why do we as a society make up these random fallacies about women? I’ve already explained my reasoning and you’ve presented nothing to disprove me. That means your explanation fails, by definition. A thirsty person will drink contaminated water, a satiated person will expect clean water; a starving person will eat bugs, a satiated person will only eat more if it’s their favorite; an exhausted person will sleep on a city bus, a person who is fully rested will have trouble sleeping in even the most comfortable bed. Similarly, a person with large visual appetite w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 08:40 PM
3	Why do we as a society make up these random fallacies about women? You’ve explained why and your explanation fails. A woman being more sensitive to looks is a product of them being less visually inclined, just like a person being more sensitive to unappealing tastes and textures is a product of them being less hungry. You’ve done nothing to make me disbelieve this, and your explanation really only serves to prove my point bc it relies on the man and woman being equally motivated to date (eat), when my whole argument is that they are not	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 08:26 PM
3	Why do we as a society make up these random fallacies about women? My analogy works perfectly, bc women are less motivated to look for a sexual partner, as evidenced by the fact that there are less of them on dating apps, and when more of them are single (as was the case during the pandemic) they report not having one for voluntary reasons while men report not having one due to not being able to. When they’re in relationships they initiate sex less and are less likely to report dissatisfaction with the frequency of sex. I don’t think there’s anything to support…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 08:12 PM
3	Why do we as a society make up these random fallacies about women? lol I think you are the one who needs to brush up on their reading because this is only one of the explanations they give, and they give a mix of factors, including crime dropping Today, the central question is rather that of what might explain the substantial crime drop witnessed in the western world over recent decades (see e.g. van Dijk et al. 2012). Lauritsen et al. (2009) assertion that research has ignored the possibility that the declining gender gap might just as easily be due to a decli…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 08:07 PM
3	Why do we as a society make up these random fallacies about women? I respect the honesty and wish you good luck in your horniness	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 07:31 PM
5	Why do we as a society make up these random fallacies about women? lol, no, one of OP’s main supports of his 3rd point was this study, and that the gap between men and women re:crime conviction was closing. I pointed out that in his source they say most of this was due to less convictions for men, which could be because they’re doing less crime or could be because they are being convicted less due to changes in the criminal justice system; since we don’t know and it could be the latter, this closing gap does not support his 3rd point as strongly as he presented…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 07:27 PM
5	Why do we as a society make up these random fallacies about women? I did, my counter to his point 3 literally came from reading OP’s own source. Lmao, you sure are hostile for me giving my opinion on a thread where OP specifically asked for our opinions. Do you have any positive claims to make on the topic since you “know” so much about it, or are you just here to be rude?	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 07:09 PM
3	Why do we as a society make up these random fallacies about women? No, it wouldn’t. Using another example, someone who is hungrier than another person needs less appetitive stimulus to eat something. If you’re hungry, you’ll eat all kinds of things, if you’re hungry enough you will eat bugs and other things normally seen as unappetizing. But if you’re really full, something would have to be incredibly appetizing for you to decide to eat it. Only finding some things very appetizing does not mean that you are hungrier than someone who finds many things appetizing…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 07:05 PM
6	Why do we as a society make up these random fallacies about women? OP literally asked what we think. There’s no hard or settled science on any of this shit, and anyone here who actually thinks they know any of this are suffering from severe Dunning-Kruger	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 07:01 PM
6	Why do we as a society make up these random fallacies about women? There is a sexual component, there’s sexual components to many jokes? but women do not go to strip clubs at the frequency that men do anyway	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 06:59 PM
8	Why do we as a society make up these random fallacies about women? What is the attendance rate at male strip clubs vs. females? Women do go to strip clubs but it’s more often as a gag, bachelorette parties and the like where they also buy the bride dick lollipops and stuff. I feel like women are less likely to go there to get aroused. I also think women finding less men attractive would be evidence of them being less visual and needing very strong visual markers for attraction Petty theft is not violent but you addressed this - your own source says the largest …	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/25 05:51 PM
–	Women are less of liers than expected but still have a long way to go. Only 45% of PPD women lie about loving their partners. Yeah there could definitely be a mix but considering that OP is taking poll results from women on the internet (who have time to think about it as you said), I definitely don’t think this is proof that 40% of PPD women are lying about loving their partners as he claimed - I would refuse one and my partner would not ask for one bc we both know they suck as far as veracity goes. Plus it seems like OP is one of the people who doesn’t know they are bunk science, I could be wrong, but considering he …	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/01/25 06:34 AM
–	Women are less of liers than expected but still have a long way to go. Only 45% of PPD women lie about loving their partners. Idk, I know it from listening to true crime, which seems to be pretty popular among women as a genre	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/01/25 06:26 AM
–	Women are less of liers than expected but still have a long way to go. Only 45% of PPD women lie about loving their partners. True, but wouldn’t this only work if people don’t know that they are pretty bunk? Which granted may be a lot of people, I mean it worked on Chris Watts to get him to confess to murdering his family but he wasn’t the sharpest knife in the drawer, I’m hoping most people are smarter than that	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/01/25 06:24 AM
–	Women are less of liers than expected but still have a long way to go. Only 45% of PPD women lie about loving their partners. Except the chance of a false positive on a lie detector test is 20-50%, they are notoriously unreliable which is why they are generally inadmissible in court. Compared to a paternity test, which has a false positive rate of like .1% They’re completely incomparable, it makes total sense to refuse a test with a 1 in 5 chance of showing you are lying when you are not.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/01/25 06:18 AM
1	The promotion of gender wage parity should have been followed by a campaign to upend the importance of the primary male breadwinner role I was making a point relevant to the OP. The point the OP was making was that as women earn more, more of them should be bread winners. I argued this is happening, because it is. You are horrible at following arguments pal	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/01/25 01:26 AM
1	The promotion of gender wage parity should have been followed by a campaign to upend the importance of the primary male breadwinner role No, you are reading into what I said, and assuming I meant more than the words that I wrote which were: as women earn more there are more women breadwinners. Which is true. The number of female breadwinners has tripled since the 70s. I know you are reading into what I am saying and assuming things bc you brought up the wage gap and its causes when I never mentioned it in the comment you replied to and also agree about the causes. You just want to argue with the feminist ghosts that haunt you, bu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/25 10:40 PM
1	The promotion of gender wage parity should have been followed by a campaign to upend the importance of the primary male breadwinner role Those women would be complaining for no reason if their husband did 40% of the chores (which is where they start defining egalitarian - 40-60% of the income), but according to my stats in these same egalitarian relationships, men only do 30% of the chores until they have children - then they start pulling equal weight (40% or more) Don’t care about your second point, I never claimed any cause for this, and you’re cherry picking; people with a 4 year college degree, especially women, are likely t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/25 09:35 PM
1	The promotion of gender wage parity should have been followed by a campaign to upend the importance of the primary male breadwinner role What does that have to do with the men who call these guys simps and losers?	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/25 12:51 AM
–	The promotion of gender wage parity should have been followed by a campaign to upend the importance of the primary male breadwinner role Yes, this is definitely true. Most of these men complaining would not be satisfied if they did get in a relationship with a breadwinning woman, bc they see a woman earning more than them as emasculating and they know that woman is less easy to control, less likely to put up with bad behavior. This is clear when you look at social media reflecting relationships where women are the breadwinners - I remember seeing a TikTok of one such relationship and the comments and replies shaming and ridiculin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 06:10 PM
–	The promotion of gender wage parity should have been followed by a campaign to upend the importance of the primary male breadwinner role It always is whining that women are independent from men at the base of it	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 05:57 PM
2	The promotion of gender wage parity should have been followed by a campaign to upend the importance of the primary male breadwinner role Well nearly all the women I know picked their careers for the benefits related to children, and I work in a woman dominated field that is slightly higher paying than the norm (autism care), so something tells me I interface with more women than you do. I picked the field myself bc it has generous maternity leave and benefits, and you can flex your schedule which will make it easier when I start having children. My dad also works in education and chose it so he can have summers off with his sons.…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 05:13 PM
2	The promotion of gender wage parity should have been followed by a campaign to upend the importance of the primary male breadwinner role Women have only started out earning men in some metropolitan areas as of 2022 (so actually 3 years ago): https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/03/28/young-women-are-out-earning-young-men-in-several-u-s-cities/ It helps when you have actual stats instead of just vague notions that women are “overtaking the workforce” Yes. Equality was achieved only 5 years ago (and I mean, I’m being generous bc if you don’t live in a metropolitan area there still isn’t wage parity, and as I said it was act…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 05:03 PM
1	The promotion of gender wage parity should have been followed by a campaign to upend the importance of the primary male breadwinner role No	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 04:48 PM
2	The promotion of gender wage parity should have been followed by a campaign to upend the importance of the primary male breadwinner role lol women only achieved wage parity 5 years ago, so about 30-40 years after the big push for women in the work force. If the trends continue as they are, there will be an equal number of men and women bread winners in about the same number of years from when parity was achieved. The progress is happening at the same pace from what I can see, but with a lag on it, as I said in my initial comment. I wasn’t invalidating OP, just claiming the changes he wants to happen are in the process of happenin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 04:47 PM
5	The promotion of gender wage parity should have been followed by a campaign to upend the importance of the primary male breadwinner role Maybe women could hypothetically earn the same in a vacuum where women and men had the exact same social expectations for decades, but due to pressures primarily from pregnancy and child rearing, women had to consider different choices in job selection - that’s why we only actually achieved wage parity like 5 years ago. So no, I would expect there to be a lag, and we can see this lag in action when we look at black women who achieved parity earlier with the men of their own race and are now brea…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 04:40 PM
9	The promotion of gender wage parity should have been followed by a campaign to upend the importance of the primary male breadwinner role Some women do, but more women than used to are choosing to date men that earn the same or less, and there is no reason to think this trend would just stop. Also, my source doesn’t even go into this, who is to say that the women choosing higher earning men don’t work in lower paying fields? One of the biggest employers for women is education, specifically ECE, which is not known for its high wages. Women pick this career for the other benefits, which are usually tangential to being the ones who g…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 04:26 PM
5	The promotion of gender wage parity should have been followed by a campaign to upend the importance of the primary male breadwinner role The OP said more women should be okay with it - more women are okay with it. I never claimed 50% of relationships have a female breadwinners and that was never my point. My point is the trend is heading the way the OP wants it to. 16% is not equal yet, but there’s nothing to suggest these trends are stopping. And I don’t agree it’s nothing - the number of female breadwinners has tripled. The starting point was just so low bc when we started women did not have the earning power men did. I also al…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 04:16 PM
20	The promotion of gender wage parity should have been followed by a campaign to upend the importance of the primary male breadwinner role What? By definition if a woman is a sole or primary breadwinner she is earning more than the man she married. According to my source that is now 16% of marriages, which is a huge increase from the 70s where it was only 5% of marriages. In black couples, 1 in 4 women outearn their husband My source shows exactly what I said. More women are breadwinners as they earn more.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 04:02 PM
13	The promotion of gender wage parity should have been followed by a campaign to upend the importance of the primary male breadwinner role But more and more women do date men who earn less than them, there are more female breadwinners than there used to be - this is actually most prevalent in the black community, where black women are way over educated compared to black men; black women are also the least likely to date outside their race. I’ve also seen tons of TikTok’s about being a “house husband”, and when you see the comments it’s generally men calling him a simp and a loser for letting a woman “lead the household” We just rea…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/01/25 03:29 PM
–	Both men and women who want to be strict about condoms are kind of screwed in the dating world. Most offices have switched to nitrile gloves actually! But I do still tell them, bc yeah, when I wore latex ones during science lab on accident my hands were on fire	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/01/25 02:52 PM
-2	Men are 7x more likely to be victimized by a stranger Tons of people are born into poverty that do not turn to crime to make money. I actually find it a little insulting to suggest that you think because someone is born into a bad situation they are destined to make bad choices. You can have a genetic condition that makes it hard to lose weight. That doesn’t change the fact that being overweight puts you at higher risk for heart disease. If someone is overweight from one of these conditions, it would still reduce their personal risk of heart diseas…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/01/25 02:45 AM
4	Men are 7x more likely to be victimized by a stranger Yes I think you have a choice to not do this. Do you think everyone born into poverty turns to crime? Strippers and sex workers are more likely to be raped. If I heard a woman was assaulted and had one of those professions, I’d advise they find a new way to make money, to protect themselves	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/01/25 01:35 AM
9	Men are 7x more likely to be victimized by a stranger If they’re engaging in crime, which is not an insignificant contributor to these stats, they should stop doing that	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/01/25 01:32 AM
5	A large portion of women are hypocrites when it comes to their dating preferences Men seem more likely to be wrong about what they don’t like. Like you bring up men not wanting overweight women, but truthfully overweight women are fine as long as they still have a nice waist to hip ratio. Another one is men will say they don’t like old women, and place “old” as 30, but plenty of men are seeking 30 year old women	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/01/25 02:17 PM
–	Is the ability of a man being able to fall in love with a woman based on her youth and beauty? It is not inevitable - men always want women. Them pretending all women become hags at 30 is a huge cope/revenge fantasy, bc they want women who rejected them in their 20s to be miserable. There is a larger proportion of older single women, but this starts once you hit like 45+, not 30	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/01/25 02:08 PM
3	Both men and women who want to be strict about condoms are kind of screwed in the dating world. Hey! I also have a latex allergy and have pretty much the same condom policy. I’ve only ever been sleeping with one man at a time so it’s been easy enough to get tested and make sure everything is clean and good. I’m on the pill and have been lucky enough to not get pregnant in the 12 years I’ve been doing this so yeah, like you said, it feels low risk	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/24 10:42 PM
1	Paternity fraud is DV and women who oppose paternity tests are abusers. I’ve read feminists, believe it or not, not all feminists believe everything bell hooks wrote. Feminism is not one unified branch of thought, which just tells me you’ve only read one feminist. Dworkin would say the opposite. Second, your explanation doesn’t explain why the first insult lobbed at these unmarried candidates is that they were gay? Absolutely nobody thought Corey Booker or Tim Scott were dangerous. They questioned if they were gay, the implication being they are less masculine bc th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/12/24 02:35 PM
3	Paternity fraud is DV and women who oppose paternity tests are abusers. Of course it’s unfair, but women take on tons of risks men don’t in pregnancy - the main one being the risk of death, but there’s also interpersonal risk that the man abandons you with a child, for instance. Pregnancy is an unfair biological fact because nature distributed the roles unevenly here. For me, as a woman, it would take immense trust in a man for me to ever have child with him, and it seems like a slap in the face to hear that trust is not reciprocated - which is what it would feel li…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/12/24 08:00 PM
-2	Paternity fraud is DV and women who oppose paternity tests are abusers. It does, though the gap is closing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/12/24 05:11 PM
3	Paternity fraud is DV and women who oppose paternity tests are abusers. Again, it is normal to feel doubts and insecure in your relationship when the person you’ve built it with suggests you’ve betrayed them in such a harsh way. When you feel doubts and insecurity in a relationship, break ups are more common. That’s just common sense. And no, committing paternity fraud is not something normal people do. The thing about effective sociopaths is they look like normal people, so maybe that’s why you’re saying that, but if you accuse your wife of committing paternity fra…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/12/24 05:10 PM
1	Paternity fraud is DV and women who oppose paternity tests are abusers. It is not just a woman thing to be offended when the person you have chosen to build a life with, marry, and have children with, implies - based on nothing you’ve done - that you are a cold sociopath that would purposefully betray them and ruin their life. It is normal to be upset that you are seen that way by your partner, and it’s honestly ridiculous cope to pretend otherwise Absolutely men get offended by go bags and the DV standard that implies men are abusers. I’ve seen critiques of the Dul…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/12/24 04:49 PM
1	How have women evolved with hypergamous selection if they haven’t had a choice in their mate until modern era? Oh yeah, it wasn’t like the parents wanted ugly men for their daughters, sorry if that was implied. You’re absolutely right	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/12/24 04:44 PM
4	Paternity fraud is DV and women who oppose paternity tests are abusers. And you’d have absolutely no problem that she thinks you’re the type of person that would cheat and cover it up? Most people aren’t like that, you have to know that	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/12/24 02:36 PM
6	Paternity fraud is DV and women who oppose paternity tests are abusers. Women do confer status to a man, just it’s based on her looks and ability to bear his children, not her material wealth. Men who go for younger, hotter women are just as hypergamous as women who go for richer and higher status men. We know women confer status on a man, just look how male presidential candidates are treated when they are unmarried	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/12/24 01:46 PM
3	Paternity fraud is DV and women who oppose paternity tests are abusers. lol is this the same sub that constantly complains women initiate divorce more? Clearly men aren’t just leaving for younger women en masse	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/12/24 01:44 PM
8	Paternity fraud is DV and women who oppose paternity tests are abusers. I see, so only men should have their fears and anxieties assuaged in relationships; women on the other hand should be compelled by fear and anxiety to maintain their relationships. Very neat	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/12/24 01:42 PM
0	Paternity fraud is DV and women who oppose paternity tests are abusers. Oh come on. If you go to your wife and say this, you are telling her you don’t trust her. It may be bc of societal reasons, but the actual conversation where you tell your wife that you want a paternity test, she will understand that as “I think you may have cheated on me” and over and beyond that “I think you may be a despicable enough person to try and entrap me into raising another man’s kids” Obviously, this will make the woman less secure in the relationship. Not a perfect parallel, bc men …	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/12/24 01:40 PM
5	Paternity fraud is DV and women who oppose paternity tests are abusers. Only 6 states have coercive control laws. I can see paternity fraud being considered coercive control, but that would only make it DV if you were in CA, MA, HI, CO, CT or WA	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/12/24 01:30 PM
1	Paternity fraud is DV and women who oppose paternity tests are abusers. Only 6 states in the US have coercive control laws and they were all added after 2020. The UK has had them longer, but still not that long. Domestic violence did not include coercive control until very recently, and still mostly does not	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/12/24 01:28 PM
2	How have women evolved with hypergamous selection if they haven’t had a choice in their mate until modern era? Yeah there was this study comparing arranged marriages to chosen ones, and surprise surprise, parents care much more about wealth and profession than their daughters, who care more about looks and shared interests	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/12/24 12:38 PM
1	Men who say they don't care They’re supposed to show interest in the things that matter to me, as I would for the things that matter to them. What people choose to do for half their life is a huge factor in their personality, so idk why you’re acting like they’re mutually exclusive. My partner works in the state department and often talks about his work and what he does. It would be incredibly disrespectful of me to be like “yeah but I don’t care about any of that, all that matters is who you are”. He spent the better part…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 07:33 PM
–	What's wrong with being misogynistic? Why SHOULDN'T men become misogynists? This is absolutely true. Feminism is reactionary. If women had ever been respected for feminine roles, feminism wouldn’t be appealing; it would have no leverage over happy stay at home moms	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 02:55 PM
–	What's wrong with being misogynistic? Why SHOULDN'T men become misogynists? Over half of white women voted for trump, so on that point alone your description of women is inaccurate - tons of women are conservative and would not cut off friends or family or a potential partner for this.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 02:48 PM
1	TRP is basically mainstream and most men are waking up to reality, despite women claiming it is still some fringe minority of embittered rejects Again, I’m not a democrat, I don’t vote, which is why I know both political parties are full of shit. You’re taunting a ghost	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 02:32 PM
2	TRP is basically mainstream and most men are waking up to reality, despite women claiming it is still some fringe minority of embittered rejects It’s absolutely fact that around the world incumbents lost their elections, but yeah sure, continue to believe that the entire electorate is focused on what bothers you personally. Like bro even Japan lost and they basically had a uniparty before covid Also, I’m a nonvoter, I hated Kamala as well. Idc that Trump won, but you’re delusional if you think it’s bc of the redpill	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 08:31 AM
3	TRP is basically mainstream and most men are waking up to reality, despite women claiming it is still some fringe minority of embittered rejects Did you miss the part where I described my partner having to explain the concepts to his friends? Women weren’t there. Most men are not like you, which is probably why those men have sexual and romantic success.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 08:21 AM
3	TRP is basically mainstream and most men are waking up to reality, despite women claiming it is still some fringe minority of embittered rejects No, the argument made by the OP is it is obvious based on social media that men are waking up. The men I meet outside of the internet generally do not believe this, not my gen z brothers, not any of my older male relatives, none of my partners friends have even heard of it until like 2 nights ago when he made a joke about “chads” and had to explain what he meant. So who are these men off Reddit you’re speaking of? I’ve met like one irl, but guess what? He was heavily online	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 08:15 AM
3	TRP is basically mainstream and most men are waking up to reality, despite women claiming it is still some fringe minority of embittered rejects I can agree that blue pill narratives are decreasing but I wouldn’t say the redpill is replacing them. I think a lot of guys are just doing their own thing But I hope so too! It does do me good after being online and seeing how doomed everyone thinks everyone is to then see kids doing alright.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 08:03 AM
2	TRP is basically mainstream and most men are waking up to reality, despite women claiming it is still some fringe minority of embittered rejects No, because again that’s not why people voted this election. They voted by and large on the post-Covid economy which is why incumbents lost across the globe, regardless of party or political slant	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 08:00 AM
3	TRP is basically mainstream and most men are waking up to reality, despite women claiming it is still some fringe minority of embittered rejects Like 20, they play rugby. Idk, what makes the sample of dudes who whine all day on Reddit representative of gen Z men as a whole?	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 07:59 AM
1	TRP is basically mainstream and most men are waking up to reality, despite women claiming it is still some fringe minority of embittered rejects I don’t think that either, most people voted on the post-Covid economy which is why incumbents lost worldwide But your last point I’m in total agreement on	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 07:55 AM
1	TRP is basically mainstream and most men are waking up to reality, despite women claiming it is still some fringe minority of embittered rejects lol, telling on yourself. My brothers are gen z, their friends are gen z, and they are normal right-of-center dudes who have girlfriends and think redpill influencers are cringe losers. I know you don’t talk to people off of Reddit, but if you tried it you’d see tons of young men like this	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 06:53 AM
3	TRP is basically mainstream and most men are waking up to reality, despite women claiming it is still some fringe minority of embittered rejects It may shock you, but people vote based on other things than their dating frustrations.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 06:50 AM
7	TRP is basically mainstream and most men are waking up to reality, despite women claiming it is still some fringe minority of embittered rejects And a lot of men are stupid if that’s true	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 06:45 AM
8	TRP is basically mainstream and most men are waking up to reality, despite women claiming it is still some fringe minority of embittered rejects Ngl bro, you’ve surrounded yourself with promiscuous women if you think this is normal female behavior	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 06:44 AM
-4	TRP is basically mainstream and most men are waking up to reality, despite women claiming it is still some fringe minority of embittered rejects What do you mean?	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 05:50 AM
2	TRP is basically mainstream and most men are waking up to reality, despite women claiming it is still some fringe minority of embittered rejects Most normal men don’t spend all day griping on social media, bc you know, they’re busy enjoying time with their wives and girlfriends	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/12/24 05:30 AM
1	Men who say they don't care I feel like it is normal to not care about what your cousins or your old friends do for work, but your partner? This is someone you are specifically choosing to spend and share your life with, and like half of your life is spent at work, it feels like that’s part of the sharing. I don’t mean care in like a “wow you don’t earn enough, you’re such a loser”, I mean care in a “this is the profession you have chosen, it is important to you and part of who you are” I work with autistic kids, I spent 3…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/24 10:57 PM
5	Men who say they don't care But the stat I’m referencing isn’t based on the woman’s IQ, but her education level. Yes educated women are less likely to marry, but once married, their marriages are less likely to end in divorce, so your idea that higher education leads to a higher divorce rate makes no sense. May lead to a lower marriage rate, but it doesn’t account for the failure rate of marriages Edit: I was wrong, educated women are more likely to marry, so even more of an argument that education hasn’t ruined marriage a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/24 10:18 PM
4	Men who say they don't care Educated women are less likely to get divorced though	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/24 10:12 PM
-1	The end of Roe v Wade has been a disaster for men, women and dating That’s actually not what you said. If you had said that I wouldn’t have commented. What you said was “[we] burned up our *good will at a time [we] really need it, well done”, which is absolutely a veiled threat denoting the glee you will feel when women’s rights are taken away. You can play dumb all you want but it’s incredibly obvious, bc if you really meant just what you said, you would’ve said that. You wanted to be intimidating so you used intimidating rhetoric. And if that’s truly not what …	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/24 06:35 AM
-1	The end of Roe v Wade has been a disaster for men, women and dating Lmao I love how comments like this always end up turning into veiled threats about how women better be sorry or we deserve to lose rights and freedoms as vengeance for bitter men	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/24 06:06 AM
8	Why do you think women initiate divorce more, and lesbian divorce rates are higher compared to gay divorce rates? I think this is a great answer, it’s almost never mentioned that there’s almost no gender disparity just in breakups when compared to marriage	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/24 01:53 AM
4	Why do you think women initiate divorce more, and lesbian divorce rates are higher compared to gay divorce rates? It’s not the same at all. If they divorce more than gay men just by number, that means almost nothing without knowing the rate. For an alternate example, look at common arguments against the wage gap - the main one being sure men make more, but they work more. We would expect them to make more given that they work more. The frequency of pay, the raw amount, tells you nearly nothing alone; you need the rate of pay. Idk why you’re trying to backpedal and justify your mistake as not being that far …	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/24 01:50 AM
3	Why do you think women initiate divorce more, and lesbian divorce rates are higher compared to gay divorce rates? They are different though - if the majority of gay marriages were also lesbian, we would expect the majority of gay divorces to be lesbian. Rate is a different thing than frequency. Your grasp on basic statistical analysis is pretty poor, you should work on that before using statistics to argue a claim	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/24 01:38 AM
7	Why do you think women initiate divorce more, and lesbian divorce rates are higher compared to gay divorce rates? It’s only the same thing if the percentage of gay marriages in general is about 50/50 for gay and lesbian relationships. If, for example, it turned out that of all gay marriages, 72% of them were lesbians, then the actual rate of divorce would be even between gays and lesbians. I don’t know that’s the case and it may not be, but just to explain why they aren’t the same	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/24 01:17 AM
-1	Expecting the man to pay is abusing outdated gender norms They aren’t the same. The pressure from society is not the same as the pressure from an individual person - that’s why coercion and duress is a crime in many situations but peer pressure is not. It’s a poor challenge bc the situations aren’t equivalent at all. A similar situation would be a woman coercing a man to pay. But you acknowledge this - I would say the similar pressure for women is to perform femininity. To shave, wear makeup, keep their hair neat and styled etc. Many men will reject yo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/24 01:04 AM
6	It’s unhealthy for someone to never having someone else be romantically interested in them. Most American women are overweight and I think like a 3rd are obese, I’m pretty sure that is a representation of a random woman, not a bottom of the barrel woman.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/24 12:40 AM
3	It’s unhealthy for someone to never having someone else be romantically interested in them. The fat woman still has perfect proportions btw, she’s just bigger	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/12/24 12:32 AM
8	It’s unhealthy for someone to never having someone else be romantically interested in them. And thems are the breaks, real talk	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/24 11:57 PM
-1	Expecting the man to pay is abusing outdated gender norms Except these are entirely different circumstances? The men offered to pay. If the check comes and the guy drops his card without me saying anything, that’s the equivalent of a girl saying “hey do you want to come in for a drink?” when they get to the door. In both these situations it would be absolutely ridiculous to claim the party offering to do something for the other person is being manipulated	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/24 09:20 PM
4	Expecting the man to pay is abusing outdated gender norms Why are men entitled to a beautiful woman?	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/24 09:02 PM
0	Expecting the man to pay is abusing outdated gender norms No, they just know their value and don’t have to accept less. Men will line up to pay so why wouldn’t they accept that? Tbh it’d be dumb not to	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/24 09:01 PM
3	Men are having bad sex, and it is not talked about. I mean I’m sure some women realize they are the ones getting fucked hahaha 😂 Wasn’t it Aristotle who said men and women are mostly the same except it’s the female’s nature to be mounted? That sounds pretty good to me, as a woman	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/12/24 09:57 PM
5	Men are having bad sex, and it is not talked about. Exactly. My current partner is the only one I’ve been with who knows how to give head, and he does, enthusiastically and with gusto. He can’t keep me off him, and why wouldn’t I be all over him, knowing that if we get going I will have the best time?	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/12/24 09:47 PM
19	"Husband" is a compliment. "Material" is objectification Idk, I see people saying this but in my experience women get much more upset over the opposite - she’s not wife material, she’s for “recreational use only”. I feel like it’s a compliment. I’m pretty feminist but my boyfriend told me I’m going to be a great wife after I made him soup one day - it was 100% a compliment in that instance and I feel like it would be unhinged if I took it any other way	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/12/24 02:11 PM
5	Men and women are not the same that is okay. I didn’t mean to put how men treat women in a negative connotation. I agree that women don’t want to be treated the way men treat each other. I question that men actually like being treated the way men treat each other because - as you said - it is very hard for them to find solace in other men, which seems like it would be good for them? But I’m not a man so it doesn’t affect me, it’s just an observation	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/12/24 07:52 PM
14	Men and women are not the same that is okay. I agree that women wouldn’t want to be treated the way men treat each other. But I have to wonder if men would want to be treated by other men the way they treat women? Men have less close friends, they report sharing less with the friends they do have, they lament that never receive compliments - it does make me think maybe men would feel less lonely and more assured if they had relationships with each other the way women do. But idk, not my monkeys really. Just a thought	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/12/24 07:32 PM
1	Society cannot make any given individual attracted to another individual enough to create more long lasting relationships. It’s all down to you to become attractive. I was saying men find hourglass figures attractive bc I was arguing the point that all those HAES models did not change what men are attracted to. That was my whole argument. You cannot change what people are attracted to. People took me saying men prefer hourglass figures and instead of arguing my point - that you cannot force people to be attracted to things they aren’t attracted to - they kept arguing that actually women are way pickier than men and men aren’t that picky and men like fat girl…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/12/24 03:06 PM
1	The delusion and ignorance of red/black pillers who compare women role in the gender hierarchy to the capitalist class Yeah I’m not sure wrt the actual red pill viewers how many believe this. I know it was an extremely popular line on the podcast circuit for a while though, Ben Shapiro did a little segment shitting on the idea and then all the daily wire guys started going on Whatever - it was a moment and maybe it’s faded or it changed people’s view in the RP as a whole, but it was a debate at least. Well the only thing is I think that counter only works on like, surface level praise and shame arguments - like …	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/12/24 04:53 PM
5	The delusion and ignorance of red/black pillers who compare women role in the gender hierarchy to the capitalist class No, if the available men didn’t match women’s standards they would choose to be single. We see more and more women making that choice already. Besides, what government intervention could there be? There isn’t one for men and there wouldn’t be one for women	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/12/24 04:08 PM
7	The delusion and ignorance of red/black pillers who compare women role in the gender hierarchy to the capitalist class Sometimes yes and sometimes no - more tradcon men would agree with you, but more on the red pill you have guys say that men need to have high n-counts to have a chance at understanding female nature, but women with high n-counts are for the street; these are the guys who fall back on “well being a promiscuous man is harder than a promiscuous woman so thats why it is valuable”	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/12/24 04:06 PM
1	Society cannot make any given individual attracted to another individual enough to create more long lasting relationships. It’s all down to you to become attractive. No, the median is 4.3.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/12/24 10:39 AM
–	Feminists are only interested in the idea of choice when it comes to women It’s not that this will happen in every situation, but it is factually the case that a proportion of single moms will seek welfare from the state. In most (if not all?) states, you are required to seek child support before welfare, essentially to keep from burdening the taxpayer Only half of custodial parents seek child support. I’m assuming the ones that don’t, don’t need support. Some of the ones that do may not need support, but some of the ones that do are compelled to before they can get we…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/12/24 04:30 AM
–	Feminists are only interested in the idea of choice when it comes to women If you want the real answer it’s bc if they aren’t that responsibility will likely be deferred to taxpayers, and people think it would be better to assign it to the guy who actually played a part	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/12/24 03:44 AM
1	Society cannot make any given individual attracted to another individual enough to create more long lasting relationships. It’s all down to you to become attractive. I don’t judge men for not being into fat girls, btw, I can see why it seems like that based on my argument. I think it’s absolutely fine, in fact preferable, to not date someone who is incompatible with you attraction wise or lifestyle wise. I’m only arguing against the idea that men’s attraction is super flexible and fluid while women’s is super rigid. Both genders have trends as to what they like, both have exceptions to these trends; but trying to shame men into liking fat girls or women into…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/12/24 07:18 PM
1	Society cannot make any given individual attracted to another individual enough to create more long lasting relationships. It’s all down to you to become attractive. The average number of sexual partners for women is less than 5.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/12/24 02:14 PM
–	Society cannot fix dating. Any fix massively impedes the human right to not be touched by somebody you don’t want touching you intimately. Yeah I graduated high school in 2014, college in 2018, and it sort of feels like I caught the last boat out on this stuff. The pandemic felt like the dying blow to teen socialization, so if your school life was disrupted by these it seems to have a huge impact on the ability to form connections for a long time.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/12/24 12:41 PM
–	Society cannot fix dating. Any fix massively impedes the human right to not be touched by somebody you don’t want touching you intimately. It might sound boomer and dumb to say, but I really feel like it’s technology. Someone said this in a thread yesterday, there used to be nothing to do at home. Tv had like 10 channels, and there was one tv in the living room so you couldn’t always watch what you wanted; there was no internet, or later, there was internet but not social media or YouTube, and again the computer was in a designated room the family shared; phones were landlines that you also needed to share and sometimes were attach…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/12/24 11:41 AM
1	Society cannot make any given individual attracted to another individual enough to create more long lasting relationships. It’s all down to you to become attractive. Most men get married. Women clearly aren’t that picky	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/12/24 10:22 AM
4	Society cannot make any given individual attracted to another individual enough to create more long lasting relationships. It’s all down to you to become attractive. And I see so many short men do well with women as long as they have a good attitude and charisma and know how to dress. I work with parents every single day and not a single one of the married dads I see is tall, or makes six figures, or is fit. Either your anecdotes disprove men’s general standards (and so mine disprove women’s) or, as people claim all the time on this sub, the fact that people outside the standard can succeed doesn’t mean the standards stop existing Bryce Dallas Howard also ha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/12/24 02:40 AM
5	Society cannot make any given individual attracted to another individual enough to create more long lasting relationships. It’s all down to you to become attractive. Yes, Donald Trump undoubtedly has a great personality. He’s infectious, he monopolizes the media, people can’t take their eyes off of him, that’s the power of Trump’s personality. A good personality does not mean you are a good person	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/12/24 01:52 AM
3	Society cannot make any given individual attracted to another individual enough to create more long lasting relationships. It’s all down to you to become attractive. lol how long did it take you to learn to type one handed like this?	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/12/24 01:41 AM
3	Society cannot make any given individual attracted to another individual enough to create more long lasting relationships. It’s all down to you to become attractive. Oh I see, so raising the next generation of workers is not producing anything of value? I better not hear anyone whine about birth rates ever again. If it weren’t for women’s production you wouldn’t be here to type so much nonsense	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/12/24 01:36 AM
2	Society cannot make any given individual attracted to another individual enough to create more long lasting relationships. It’s all down to you to become attractive. “A variety of different body types” Shows a woman with a very clear hourglass figure but a larger BMI Every single time!	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/12/24 01:34 AM
7	Society cannot make any given individual attracted to another individual enough to create more long lasting relationships. It’s all down to you to become attractive. Seriously, teens today also smoke and drink less, go to parties less, they even masturbate less because there’s a nonstop stream of content blasting on their phone that is perfectly tuned to release as much dopamine as possible. It’s easy and reliable to get dopamine this way, and dating is messy and subtle and hard. People do what is easy	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/12/24 01:27 AM
5	Society cannot make any given individual attracted to another individual enough to create more long lasting relationships. It’s all down to you to become attractive. Right - the hourglass or pear might be bigger or smaller, but that’s not really a different body type	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/12/24 01:21 AM
5	Society cannot make any given individual attracted to another individual enough to create more long lasting relationships. It’s all down to you to become attractive. Women pushed for body acceptance - not for fat girls to be considered attractive by men. It’s pointless to push for a body type to be seen as attractive by other people. It doesn’t work. Everything else you said is irrelevant to my point, and really is based on nothing. If you’re going by media standards, the standards on women and men are both very tight.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/12/24 12:52 AM
10	Society cannot make any given individual attracted to another individual enough to create more long lasting relationships. It’s all down to you to become attractive. Oh I know, but apparently because some guys also jack off to BBWs this never happens and only women judge men for how they look	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/12/24 12:47 AM
6	Society cannot make any given individual attracted to another individual enough to create more long lasting relationships. It’s all down to you to become attractive. Lmao no, I said men freaked out about the sports illustrated model bc the person I responded to was talking about how we pushed for body acceptance for women and making those women attractive to men - that was the most poignant example in mind of that obviously not being the case. They put the bigger model on SI and men were very upset that a woman they didn’t find attractive was on their magazine. My only point was that you cannot force people to find different things attractive, but y’all can’…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/12/24 12:07 AM
9	Society cannot make any given individual attracted to another individual enough to create more long lasting relationships. It’s all down to you to become attractive. Those men still want a woman with a smaller waist to their hips. That is what the hourglass figure means. Know what all thiqqq queens who actually get called that instead of fat have in common? They still have hourglass proportions. And then outside of bodies, men want women to look younger, and so prefer features that look younger, big eyes and big lips. Idk show me a woman that men laud as beautiful that actually looks different than other beautiful women. The fact this guy picked out Kim Kard…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/12/24 11:58 PM
10	Society cannot make any given individual attracted to another individual enough to create more long lasting relationships. It’s all down to you to become attractive. Thick =/= fat, saying thick thighs save lives doesn’t mean you’re okay with a girl whose belly is larger than her hips, which does happen, and is generally when men stop talking about how thick you are and start talking about how fat you are I didn’t say anything about being blonde so idk what you’re saying. Sure men, all like different ethnicities and hair and clothing aesthetics - on a girl with a nice hip to waist ratio, with youthful facial features like large eyes and lips.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/12/24 11:54 PM
2	Society cannot make any given individual attracted to another individual enough to create more long lasting relationships. It’s all down to you to become attractive. I mean, I’m not saying it’s a bad thing that it happened, and I’m not saying it would be a bad thing for it to happen to men. All I’m saying it does actually zero to impact what the opposite sex finds attractive	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/12/24 09:42 PM
14	Society cannot make any given individual attracted to another individual enough to create more long lasting relationships. It’s all down to you to become attractive. I am actually underweight, so no I don’t think I’m projecting here. I would argue BBW chasers aren’t proof men want fat women as a whole any more than tall girls dating short kings disproves that trend.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/12/24 09:41 PM
14	Society cannot make any given individual attracted to another individual enough to create more long lasting relationships. It’s all down to you to become attractive. Kim Kardashian is not a fat woman. She has a big ass, and one of the smallest waist to ass ratios I’ve ever seen. Men are not “pretty diverse” really; men want an hourglass figure. The size of the hourglass may vary, and boob size seems to vary relative to hip to waist ratio, but telling me men want a variety of women bc they like big asses is just silly	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/12/24 09:39 PM
5	Society cannot make any given individual attracted to another individual enough to create more long lasting relationships. It’s all down to you to become attractive. I know this, but I am trying to use their own language to tell them their points are dumb bc they probably won’t listen anyway, but they definitely won’t listen if I talk about body positivity and its purpose	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/12/24 07:10 PM
25	Society cannot make any given individual attracted to another individual enough to create more long lasting relationships. It’s all down to you to become attractive. The sports illustrated swimsuit model was way thinner than lizzo, men still called her ugly. I doubt your statistics. Who are you using as male stereotypes of attractiveness? Tons of hollywood actors women swoon over are sub 6 foot, to start with. Outside of ethnicity/skin tone, and a slight variation in weight overall, men really want the same thing too. They want a woman with a thin waist and bigger hips, they like bigger eyes and lips, they like youth. I don’t think men are really that differ…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/12/24 06:34 PM
9	Society cannot make any given individual attracted to another individual enough to create more long lasting relationships. It’s all down to you to become attractive. I agree, and I’m not saying these are bad things that they happened. I’m pointing out this push he is talking about literally did nothing to what men find attractive, bc he brought it up as if to say “we made men find fat women attractive but now that women think men are ugly we are on are own” There’s no point in even arguing with someone like that about the virtues and values of representation of different bodies for women - they’re too far gone. So I’m sticking to the main point - this did no…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/12/24 06:28 PM
24	Society cannot make any given individual attracted to another individual enough to create more long lasting relationships. It’s all down to you to become attractive. But… a variety of different body types weren’t really seen as attractive for women were they? Sure people pushed for it, but did men actually find Lizzo attractive? she’s currently lost over 100 pounds and is on ozempic. Did men like it when sports illustrated had that plus size swimsuit model? Because I remember them loudly saying that woman wasn’t attractive to them. I’m gonna guess that the push to change what people find attractive didn’t really work that much, despite tons of effort, which …	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/12/24 06:13 PM
1	Women see men as a kind of machine. And unfortunately the main thing most men bring to the table is financial provision, if the woman wants more than that good luck to her	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/12/24 10:53 AM
–	Do women actually care if a guy is under 6 feet? Is it under 6 feet, the thing OP asked about? I said I don’t think guys look short til under 5’8” so I agree	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/12/24 10:19 AM
–	Do women actually care if a guy is under 6 feet? My partner is 5’9”, 5’10” ish. I don’t think it’s an issue at all, he’s super attractive and exudes confidence. He’s also not that short, really, I don’t really clock guys as short until they’re under 5’8” though (I am 5’5” for reference). Idk if my standards are super different or if the stigma is overblown (I assume the latter, I tend to assume my preferences are average), but for me most guys seem pretty tall, I’m not that tall.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/12/24 04:46 AM
1	A woman with a promiscuous past or present who treats you like a king is 100x better than a rigid, traditional prude who treats you like you're average If they did, I would tell them that’s just as ridiculous bc your skill at sex isn’t an inherent inborne quality. You can get better at sex. I mean there’s a stereotype fat girls are better at giving head, why would that be true, bc fatness is genetically linked to good blowjobs? Nah it’s bc fat girls put more effort in and care more to try and please a man (likely bc they are insecure about how they look being enough). Anyone can learn to be better at sex and it is straight up weird to be like “…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/12/24 11:22 AM
-1	A woman with a promiscuous past or present who treats you like a king is 100x better than a rigid, traditional prude who treats you like you're average Both partners should be working to do this yes? What would make you think differently? But it’s not women saying they hope they have a virgin man bc they’re worried they won’t compete with Stacy, if it were, I’d tell her the same	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/12/24 10:09 AM
–	Society has given women a free pass for their standards while condemning men for theirs Most parents would still be uncomfortable with their adult daughter dating someone 15 years older, unless she’s in her 30s	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/12/24 08:08 PM
–	Society has given women a free pass for their standards while condemning men for theirs Of course not, but no one is trying to tell me that’s the way things should be and it’s science that it should be that way	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/12/24 08:06 PM
–	Society has given women a free pass for their standards while condemning men for theirs Answer mine first - do you want your daughter doing it?	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/12/24 07:35 PM
–	Society has given women a free pass for their standards while condemning men for theirs Would you want your 18 year old daughter to marry a 40 year old? Most parents, including fathers, are super against this. Why, if it’s so normal?	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/12/24 06:21 PM
2	Why does the perception that "most men are physically unattractive or below average" exist among women? I mean there are some truly ugly people out there and even in this group of the truly ugly women are more likely to modify themselves with plastic surgery and fillers/enhancements. But most guys are not ugly, just poorly styled. Sorry if that’s not your situation, bc that is tougher than the case for the majority	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/12/24 05:02 PM
1	Why does the perception that "most men are physically unattractive or below average" exist among women? Man, that’s actually not too surprising but still funny to hear about a guy who is kind of a sex symbol (if washed up now)	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/12/24 01:58 PM
0	Why does the perception that "most men are physically unattractive or below average" exist among women? Oh I definitely agree - like maybe not Brad Pitt but any of the more unconventional looking guys like Adam Driver or Chalamet? I think those guys are leaning a lot on style (and status, which does count for something for sure)	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/12/24 01:40 PM
1	Why does the perception that "most men are physically unattractive or below average" exist among women? This, I feel like most of the reason women have a more “normal” distribution in attractiveness studies is bc they are conditioned - especially if they don’t look conventionally attractive - to wear and style themselves in a way that maximizes their attractiveness. A woman with red and splotchy skin with a unibrow will probably wear makeup and groom her brows, if she’s overweight she’s probably figured out what hairstyles make her face look fat (my mom talks about this all the time), she’ll know …	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/12/24 01:24 PM
–	Mainstream feminism is a hate movement - if you identify as a feminist and don't hate men, you are the fringe. I challenge you: Find me a single notable feminist who condemns feminist man-hating Yeah this is why I mentioned her - Gilligan takes a similar vein as well in “why the patriarchy persists” but she’s a little gentler on everyone and takes more of a societal approach, but I think Hooks actually does call out specific things each group does to uphold these problems. She doesn’t call out specific feminists but at the same time idk, in academia it is pretty normal to talk down another academic’s points without actually naming them, I wouldn’t say this is specific to feminism	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/12/24 11:22 AM
0	A woman with a promiscuous past or present who treats you like a king is 100x better than a rigid, traditional prude who treats you like you're average I don’t think it’s like that at all and I don’t think it’s outrageous to find it weird that men seem to want women who will just put up with worse sex. Would men be happy and satisfied with a woman who couldn’t make him cum, who never or rarely gives head but expects it, who gets herself off and is like “well I’m sure that was subpar sex but luckily that’s all he needs?” Nah, if a woman came in here and said that, men here would be talking about how she wasn’t really attracted to her man and is …	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/12/24 11:19 AM
-1	A woman with a promiscuous past or present who treats you like a king is 100x better than a rigid, traditional prude who treats you like you're average Not really. Every woman likes different things so if you take time to learn with her you will eventually be an expert. They say it takes 10,000 hours to become an expert in something, so idk get to studying.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/12/24 02:31 AM
-6	A woman with a promiscuous past or present who treats you like a king is 100x better than a rigid, traditional prude who treats you like you're average Most people are average, but that doesn’t mean above average is unachievable by any metric. Most women are overweight, but I bet no one in here would be offended by the suggestion that any overweight woman could improve her weight if she tried and therefore be better than average (by most men’s dating standards). Similarly a lot of men just do not try that hard in bed. A lot of men do not like giving oral and do not reciprocate, or do so with little enthusiasm. If you just do those things you’ll…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/12/24 02:29 AM
-1	A woman with a promiscuous past or present who treats you like a king is 100x better than a rigid, traditional prude who treats you like you're average I get the idea from the fact that you said you’re happy your wife has less experience because it makes her happier with less basically. I do think that every guy that tries really hard can be better than sub par, most guys do not try hard at all once they have you in bed	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/12/24 02:25 AM
-3	A woman with a promiscuous past or present who treats you like a king is 100x better than a rigid, traditional prude who treats you like you're average It’s honestly just sad. My body count is higher than average but my current partner is the best and he knows it. I honestly thought I didn’t like receiving head before him, that’s how trash most men are at it. I never think about previous experiences, except to laugh at myself for accepting such bad behavior. It’s like. You can learn. You can be that guy, why don’t you want to be that guy? Why don’t you want your wife to shake with anticipation when you touch her? Idk it’s very strange to me you…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/12/24 12:51 AM
2	Is “the wall” different for a female late bloomer? If you’re a woman in her 30s who never married, isn’t overweight and doesn’t have kids, you shouldn’t be worried at all. Even if you do have these things, you’re honestly probably fine. There is a “wall” for women where they start to lead in the singleness gap and that’s usually over 45, but even that is mostly women who married and divorced, so again? If you’ve never done that you have a leg up, and that’s assuming that some all of the singleness gap is involuntary - tons of older women don’t s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/12/24 12:43 AM
-1	A woman with a promiscuous past or present who treats you like a king is 100x better than a rigid, traditional prude who treats you like you're average I mean at least you’re admitting this is because you lack sexual prowess relative to other people. You could be the guy that makes her see stars and the earth shake; personally I’m sorry for your wife if you aren’t doing that and are relying on her lack of experience that she stays satisfied with what you describe as a subpar lover?	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/12/24 12:29 AM
2	q4w: Being that women in the west fertility (number of babies born) has been declining, what solutions do you all propose to increase the fertility rate? I think S. Korea, their tfr is less than 1 I believe	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/12/24 08:43 PM
11	q4w: Being that women in the west fertility (number of babies born) has been declining, what solutions do you all propose to increase the fertility rate? This, in agrarian societies children are a labor force and a social safety net for parents. When nations develop and children become liabilities instead of assets, and governmental social safety nets increase, people have less kids bc they don’t “need to” - in fact, it will disadvantage them in many ways	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/12/24 08:43 PM
2	Even college is not that great of a way for men and women to meet, due to male variability Almost every male school teacher I had was married; the only one that wasn’t was openly gay	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/12/24 07:56 PM
1	Even college is not that great of a way for men and women to meet, due to male variability True, communications and business is what you study when you aren’t there to study. When you aren’t there to study, you get laid all the time	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/12/24 07:55 PM
2	Mainstream feminism is a hate movement - if you identify as a feminist and don't hate men, you are the fringe. I challenge you: Find me a single notable feminist who condemns feminist man-hating https://np.reddit.com/r/MensLib/s/xKZLFAEbQi I think this does call out women, though it is specifically about women not wanting men to open up but telling them to, and not condemning feminist leaders so idk if this is what you are looking for	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/12/24 05:43 PM
1	Mainstream feminism is a hate movement - if you identify as a feminist and don't hate men, you are the fringe. I challenge you: Find me a single notable feminist who condemns feminist man-hating Bell hooks? Caroline Gilligan? Both of these authors wrote about male pain and the things they are denied and have to sacrifice in our current system, and both are very much feminists	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/12/24 05:06 PM
2	Modern Dating Truths: Why Men Should Reconsider Loyalty and Investment in One Woman My point is those women aren’t nice women, nice women do not consider the possibility of cheating and do not hang out in groups where cheating or being the side piece is common. The men may be attractive, but would have a reputation for rejecting any advances from married women	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/24 12:17 PM
3	Modern Dating Truths: Why Men Should Reconsider Loyalty and Investment in One Woman Do you think people can only know other people if they are influencers? This guy said “the nicest women at my school” - they’re already all in the same social circle. People talk, if he did this with multiple women I’m sure he has a reputation	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/24 11:56 AM
3	Modern Dating Truths: Why Men Should Reconsider Loyalty and Investment in One Woman Nice women generally hang out with men who could help women cheat if he wanted to, but chooses not to do so, bc he has morals and standards and isn’t so desperate for sex to impede on others marriage	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/24 11:54 AM
12	Modern Dating Truths: Why Men Should Reconsider Loyalty and Investment in One Woman If you’re the guy people go to cheat on their husbands with, chances are you aren’t the guy nice women surround themselves with	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/24 01:21 AM
–	Feminist women are much better to date than trad women Expecting the man to pay does reinforce gender norms, but in my experience, if the man really likes you he will insist on paying - you won’t even know there was a bill sometimes. In that sense I do find there to be an expectation in the sense that if he doesn’t offer to pay I assume I’m not a top pick (when I was dating). I would offer to pick up the second tab though so they knew I wasn’t just looking for free dinner haha	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/24 04:52 AM
7	Men are the biggest hypocrites when it comes to women’s dating choices. It’s not, but men bitch about child support too, which is specific to the man who birthed the child. If men weren’t ever in self-deluded positions with women there would be no men here complaining about divorce rape or getting betabuxed - they should know what they are getting into so what is there to complain about? But men complain all the time. So either they also end up in situations they weren’t prepared for or they were prepared but they don’t like the outcome and want to complain anyway. …	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/12/24 04:48 AM
–	Young men are turning to right wing and manosphere ideologies due to being shut down and treated terrible in mainstream/progressive spaces, not from being brainwashed by "Redpill gurus" or "right-wing media". “Patriarchy’s fault” =/= “men’s fault collectively” so that might be the first place there’s miscommunication	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/12/24 12:48 PM
5	Women had nearly flawless PR until social media which has inadvently led to the Redpill “Women are suited for matters of children bc their minds are like that of a child” - On Women “Women are taken to be deep - why? Because with them you never get to the bottom of things. Women are not even shallow” - Twilight of the Idols (not beyond good and evil like I remembered) Again, just admit you do not read	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/12/24 12:28 PM
8	Women had nearly flawless PR until social media which has inadvently led to the Redpill Why do you think you are sharing new information to me lmao? Like I said, this is very normal and average behavior you’re displaying. But good luck with all that unbridled rage and everything	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/24 09:24 PM
8	Women had nearly flawless PR until social media which has inadvently led to the Redpill Okay, he said this as a response to me calling eve the OG. I did not do any of that shit. Also he said he gets off on it, so maybe stop batting for him so hard lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/24 08:43 PM
9	Women had nearly flawless PR until social media which has inadvently led to the Redpill Deal with a man being a sexual sadist and abuser? Don’t worry, that’s pretty average behavior	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/24 08:41 PM
13	Women had nearly flawless PR until social media which has inadvently led to the Redpill This person said he beats up women for using slang, there was no indication these women were violent. Like literally this guy responds to me calling eve “the og” by saying “oh I beat women up for saying stuff like that?” and your conclusion is the women must be unhinged? Edit: he literally replied to me saying he gets off on beating women, so yeah, looks like you were projecting here	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/24 08:39 PM
14	Women had nearly flawless PR until social media which has inadvently led to the Redpill I’ll ask, have you ever read On Women? Or Beyond Good and Evil? Both of those works are from the 1800s and painted women as a class as being either immature, ugly, defective men (on women) or as being manipulative liars (beyond good and evil - given the rest of the work this is potentially a compliment, but still this is the characterization) If you truly think women were not critiqued until the last ten years then I just assume the only media you consume is the internet, bc across religion, phi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/24 08:29 PM
11	Women had nearly flawless PR until social media which has inadvently led to the Redpill Okay, congrats on being able to beat up people smaller and weaker than you. Does that make you feel like a powerful man?	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/24 08:24 PM
21	Women had nearly flawless PR until social media which has inadvently led to the Redpill Hahah how could I forget the OG?	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/24 04:40 PM
44	Women had nearly flawless PR until social media which has inadvently led to the Redpill Women have always had a flawless reputation? Have you read On Women, Beyond Good and Evil? Have you heard the old classic Runaround Sue? What about Bitches Ain’t Shit? Have you seen any sitcom about a married couple which, yes, shows the men usually as dumb, but equally shows the wives as nagging and irrational? More recent and kid oriented, there’s John Greene novels, like paper towns which was all about deconstructing the women-are-wonderful MPDG thing. There’s media (usually that caters to wo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/24 01:11 PM
4	Women had nearly flawless PR until social media which has inadvently led to the Redpill Have you considered maybe the women who find that boring are immature and toxic, and maybe you should not be partnering with women who get the ick from good behavior?	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/24 01:01 PM
9	There’s a relationship drought for dating age people but half of us are in denial about it and don’t think there’s a problem You’re completely right but it will never be acknowledged. When the GSS stats reversed in 2021 so that women were having less sex (probably due to Covid) and when they reversed again in 2023 to show that actually sexlessness rates are back to where they were around 2014, nobody cares. They just keep quoting the 2018 numbers forever bc that’s what fits their agenda	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/24 12:50 PM
2	There’s a relationship drought for dating age people but half of us are in denial about it and don’t think there’s a problem Idk, I have two zoomer brothers and would not consider either of them to be “chad” and they’ve both had girlfriends their entire stint in high school, their friends also have girlfriends - the older one did miss prom bc of COVID but otherwise they had and are having pretty much the same highschool experience I did 15-10 years ago.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/12/24 12:45 PM
14	What do ladies mean when they say men are bad at sex? Yes!! Many men are so quiet. And I’m sure they’ve been conditioned to be - having to be quiet when masturbating at home for years+stigma against it (I’m sure it’s given some girls the ick before) - but like, it’s so awkward for me! Like am I doing a good job? Are you having fun? I want to know haha.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/24 07:15 PM
–	Me Too Has Been a Disaster for Feminism and Society lol, you aren’t using the metric the same as me. I brought it up bc the comment I replied to (which has conveniently been deleted) said that sticking to feminism is why we keep losing. We’ve lost one time, actually, this is the first time. And it happens to be a year where EVERY SINGLE incumbent lost regardless of party or campaign. So yeah, pretending that feminism is suddenly massively unpopular bc a party lost by 3 percent for the first time in 20 years is still entirely ridiculous, even if t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/24 06:56 PM
–	Me Too Has Been a Disaster for Feminism and Society True!	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/24 06:35 PM
–	Me Too Has Been a Disaster for Feminism and Society Yes exactly, it is a motivating issue for tons of people, more than just people personally affected, that is my point.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/24 06:22 PM
–	Me Too Has Been a Disaster for Feminism and Society Where are you getting these numbers? The election results? People vote for more than just one issue, so the fact the party swung doesn’t necessarily mean they have gone against feminism, other things may seem more pressing. If they like trumps economic policy more, or more likely, if they felt like they’ve faced economic loss under Biden that may outweigh the need to vote for a woman or for abortion rights, especially for people who live in blue states where abortion rights are actually safer po…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/24 06:13 PM
–	Me Too Has Been a Disaster for Feminism and Society Abortion rights won on every ballot measure this election, and in Florida, one of the most anti choice states, they couldn’t expand restrictions bc they voted against that ballot measure. Abortion rights are actually winning where they are being voted on. Its also kind of hilarious to see republicans get this cocky about how dems will never win again when this is the first popular vote they’ve won in decades	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/24 06:00 PM
–	Me Too Has Been a Disaster for Feminism and Society I think this a weird thing to draw a comparison to bc people literally donate millions to cancer research every year, I’m pretty sure that means it is somewhat motivating	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/24 05:57 PM
–	Me Too Has Been a Disaster for Feminism and Society So men’s rights activists should not spend time talking about male suicide rates, male college attendance rates, custody and child support discrepancies? Bc that is true about all of these things.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/24 05:39 PM
–	Me Too Has Been a Disaster for Feminism and Society It’s meaningless in everything except as a reflection of how popular the ideas are. The fact that she won the popular vote means her platform was, in fact, more popular with voters. So it’s ridiculous when people say on the right “feminism is unpopular and people will never vote for it, people will never vote for a woman leader!” (likewise it’s just as ridiculous when people on the left say we are too misogynistic and sexist to vote for a woman or pro choice policies) - we did, more people did v…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/24 05:36 PM
–	Me Too Has Been a Disaster for Feminism and Society Also true, and incumbents lost every election they ran in world wide I’m pretty sure.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/24 05:25 PM
–	Me Too Has Been a Disaster for Feminism and Society Why wouldn’t you make the physical risks and harms women face the center of the movement? Movements exist to solve problems, I’d expect a male rights movement to focus on improving the male suicide rate even though most men don’t kill themselves	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/24 05:20 PM
–	Me Too Has Been a Disaster for Feminism and Society What? 2024 is the first real loss among the populace - Hillary won the popular vote, and her electoral loss led to a lot of establishment losses, but the idea that feminism and the left are massively unpopular or that they “always lose” doesn’t really ring true when the republicans only won the popular vote for the first time in 20 years	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/24 05:18 PM
55	What do ladies mean when they say men are bad at sex? That they’re selfish usually, a lack of reciprocity. Lots of guys expect head but won’t give it, or if they do you can tell they just want to hurry through it and get to PIV. Also, for me at least, a lack of passion. Lots of men will be stone silent as they get head, have sex, idk, it’s awkward for me. My current partner is the best I ever had and it’s honestly bc he is so into giving head. He’s the first guy I’ve been with who gives it to me more than the reverse, and not coincidentally at all,…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/24 05:02 PM
12	women dont love the man, they love themselves throught their man Okay idk why you’d even bother to reply if that’s what you were going to say	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/24 01:47 AM
8	women dont love the man, they love themselves throught their man So do most men, there are not a lot of high quality people for relationships of either gender	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/24 01:23 AM
10	women dont love the man, they love themselves throught their man Bc value for men and value for women is different. As red pillers will readily remind you, men don’t care if a woman is broke or uneducated, they care that they are attractive and feminine. A broke but feminine and submissive beautiful woman is a high value woman, and men seek her for the same reason women would seek a high value man - to provide things he cannot provide himself in the relationship (but for men those things are different, namely men want emotional support, or “bringing peace”) Y…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/24 01:06 AM
21	women dont love the man, they love themselves throught their man “Love is when someone settles for you”	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/24 01:03 AM
17	women dont love the man, they love themselves throught their man And you think this is men actually loving women and not just loving themselves through a woman? Just picking the best option available to them is exactly what you’re saying women are doing	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/24 01:02 AM
14	women dont love the man, they love themselves throught their man So it sounds like men do require reciprocity just like women, if they are only willing to provide if certain reasons apply (which you did not expand on what the reason was that doesn’t exist anymore so idk what you are referring to), and otherwise will abstain bc it’s not worth it	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/24 01:00 AM
0	Women don’t actually want to be invisible, they just want selective attention. I’m not single, so yes, bc the risk comes from rejection+the ability of the other person to harm you. Since I have a boyfriend, and would say no, yes I would rather be hit on by the smaller man. If I were single maybe I wouldn’t be rejecting the 6’ hot guy, so yeah he may be preferable. But I’d rather reject a 5 foot ugly guy than a 6 foot ugly guy, or a 5 foot hot guy than a 6 foot ugly guy, and I’d rather reject a woman than a man every day of the week, so really, I want women to hit on me the…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/12/24 11:31 PM
2	Women don’t actually want to be invisible, they just want selective attention. Yes, and to many people that’s a worse assumption about themselves than being sexually available. That doesn’t mean they wouldn’t rather be invisible than either attractive or extremely unattractive. Extremely unattractive people are categorically not invisible. People who are invisible are normal enough to slip under the radar	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/12/24 11:12 PM
2	Women don’t actually want to be invisible, they just want selective attention. I mean like I said, it still misses the mark and that’s a lot of why because men aren’t weaker than other men the way women are weaker than men. But it misses the mark just as much I think as just reversing the genders, just for different reasons	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/12/24 11:10 PM
2	Women don’t actually want to be invisible, they just want selective attention. Lmao what? You are not going to end up with sympathy if you are an otherwise able bodied and healthy young person who shits their pants in public. Do you think street homeless get good treatment from others? They aren’t even invisible to people, people are actively disgusted by them	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/12/24 11:08 PM
3	Women don’t actually want to be invisible, they just want selective attention. I’m telling you for a fact that is why, because if the point being made was just about attraction they would say ugly woman. They don’t. They say gay man, because being approached by a man is the integral difference. I’ve seen the comparison many times and physical threat of being approached by a man vs a woman is often even explicitly mentioned. All you are saying by saying men get so little interest is that all attention from women is wanted. That’s fine, I don’t think anyone is even arguing t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/12/24 10:26 PM
0	Women don’t actually want to be invisible, they just want selective attention. I mean maybe so but if your goal is to avoid negative attention or harassment, shitting your pants is trading one kind of undesirable attention for another	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/12/24 10:23 PM
4	Women don’t actually want to be invisible, they just want selective attention. No, bc if that was their point they would just say “ugly women”. I promise you the point women are trying to make is that it is more intimidating to be approached by a man than a woman	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/12/24 10:21 PM
3	Women don’t actually want to be invisible, they just want selective attention. Because it’s also not the same to equate a woman hitting on a man to a man hitting on a woman - women who use the gay man comparison are trying to signal to straight men what it is like to be hit on by someone who can easily cause you physical harm. It misses the mark, but so does just reversing the genders	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/12/24 10:19 PM
1	Women don’t actually want to be invisible, they just want selective attention. You think shitting your pants as an adult makes you less visible to those around you?	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/12/24 10:17 PM