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43	The Making a Difference Project and the unfortunate fuzziness of rape statistics	Science	TitaniumDragon	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/01/16 12:09 PM

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0	The Making a Difference Project and the unfortunate fuzziness of rape statistics Sure, but there's a difference between hiding something and just not emphasizing it. Moreover, it relies on the assumption that this is a problem to begin with; the justice system works the way that it does for a reason. It is supposed to be difficult to convict people of crimes, and rape is a very unusual crime in that unlike most crimes, it is the intent of the participants which determines whether or not it is criminal behavior in most cases. A lot of other things are just generically illegal…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/01/16 12:51 PM
2	The Making a Difference Project and the unfortunate fuzziness of rape statistics The purpose of a restraining order is to protect you from someone who is a threat to you. If the person really is a threat to you, then you should get a restraining order against them to protect yourself (though, frankly, the protection they lend you is meager, they are useful from a legal standpoint). If they aren't a threat to you, then why are you worried about being around them? If they did rape you, then, why do you care about how shitty it is for them? They're a felon, and one of the worst…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/01/16 10:33 AM
2	The Making a Difference Project and the unfortunate fuzziness of rape statistics There's already a legal remedy for this situation, namely a restraining order.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/01/16 09:44 AM
3	The Making a Difference Project and the unfortunate fuzziness of rape statistics I some of it is backlash against the idea that false reports of rape don't ever happen and that rape victims should be unreservedly believed, which is itself a backlash against people suggesting that women want it and lie about rape all the time. The criminal justice system must operate on the premise of innocent until proven guilty. A lot of people don't seem to understand this principle. It isn't limited to rape; it is a general societal issue. People swallow down all kinds of misleading infor…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/01/16 05:18 AM
3	The Making a Difference Project and the unfortunate fuzziness of rape statistics "People use statistics like drunks use a lamp post - for support, not illumination."	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/01/16 05:10 AM
1	The Making a Difference Project and the unfortunate fuzziness of rape statistics b) the 20% isn't 20% of people that are charged with rape get arrested, it's 20% of reports lead to an arrest (after you take away exceptionally cleared, false, baseless, inactive etc) You're right. I misphrased that. Fixed it by changing it to "less than 2% of all rape reports result in someone being convicted of rape in a court of law". I did in fact make note of the people who plead guilty though, in the very next sentence: Combined with those who plead guilty, we’re left with about 7.8% of r…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/01/16 05:07 AM
2	The Making a Difference Project and the unfortunate fuzziness of rape statistics Wouldn't this mean it is counterprodutive for anti-rape groups to emphasize how rare convictions are, though? I understand that many victims don't want to have to deal with the subsequent investigation, as it is very unpleasant, but the net result is that a lot of rapists are free to victimize others as a result. :\	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/01/16 05:01 AM
5	The Making a Difference Project and the unfortunate fuzziness of rape statistics It is stupid and dangerous. Universities cannot imprison people; they don't have police powers. All they can do is expel someone. If someone is actually a rapist, they need to go to jail so they don't victimize others.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/01/16 04:55 AM
3	The Making a Difference Project and the unfortunate fuzziness of rape statistics For every story about someone who was railroaded by the criminal justice system on an untrue rape charge there is a story of a woman who wasn't initially believed but was eventually vindicated. We really have no idea how common false convictions of rape are, nor how frequently women who are prosecuted for making false accusations are vindicated. Both appear to be fairly rare, but they're the sort of thing which gets touted by the news. "Justice system does its job" isn't really news most of the …	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/01/16 04:54 AM
0	The Making a Difference Project and the unfortunate fuzziness of rape statistics Making a false police report in Massachusetts is a misdemeanor which carries a $100-$500 fine ($100 minimum, $500 maximum) plus up to one year in jail. How hard they come down on you generally depends on whether you're just wasting the time of the police or actively cause harm to people. Note also that if you actually cause damage by filing a false police report, you are financially responsible for all damages as well. So while the "fine" itself may not be that large, you can potentially be out …	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/01/16 04:51 AM
1	The Making a Difference Project and the unfortunate fuzziness of rape statistics I'm kind of curious about this one. "Oh no officer, I wasn't groping her breast, I was pickpocketing her wallet and the bus lurched." is the only scenario that comes to mind. One possibility is that the victim changed their story about what happened (I.e. they initially reported it as a sexual assault, then changed their story to an assault or robbery or kidnapping - according to the standards used in the study, this would not constitute a false report of rape) and/or the investigation found tha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/01/16 04:48 AM
1	The Making a Difference Project and the unfortunate fuzziness of rape statistics What is the Deepthub?	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/01/16 08:42 PM
2	The Making a Difference Project and the unfortunate fuzziness of rape statistics The problem is that, for the majority of cases (almost 60% in the making a difference study), we don't actually know whether the claim was true or false. The false/malicious stats in that study are only for cases where the cops found direct evidence of falsehood, according to the standards used by the study. It wasn't enough for the cops to just believe that the victim was lying, they had to have contradictory evidence. If a victim withdrew from an investigation because their story was falling a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/01/16 08:14 PM
6	The Making a Difference Project and the unfortunate fuzziness of rape statistics People can be (and in fact have been) convicted of making false accusations of rape. The crime is specifically filing a false police report or making false statements to police, and can even involve perjury if you're making a sworn statement. Depending on jurisdiction, this is more or less likely. Some jurisdictions very aggressively go after false reports; others never do. Unfortunately, the anti-rape groups try to discourage police from going after people who make false reports on the premise …	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/01/16 07:53 PM
4	The Making a Difference Project and the unfortunate fuzziness of rape statistics Unfortunately, a lot of people are impressed by "science" and "statistics", and don't understand that a lot of the time, they give you an answer, but then point out that there is a ton of variability around it and it is hard to really draw any firm conclusions due to various caveats and uncertainties. Even if you get good statistics, it may be difficult to generalize them; crime statistics are particularly annoying in this respect because we know that crime rates for some crimes, such as homicid…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/01/16 07:48 PM
1	The Making a Difference Project and the unfortunate fuzziness of rape statistics This is another factor which can cause study-to-study variability. In this case, the police departments in question were, supposedly, trained to the same standard, hopefully leading to consistent reports, but obviously, in other studies, that isn't necessarily the case. Different police departments have different policies as regards classifying cases. For instance, the 1994 Kainen study was interesting because the standard used by the police force was a very high one (the woman who made the accu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/01/16 07:40 PM
3	The Making a Difference Project and the unfortunate fuzziness of rape statistics The 8% figure comes from a miss-attribution to an FBI presentation. In all fairness, some of the studies do give numbers around 8%. Heck, the Making a Difference project does as well (7% and 8% probably aren't meaningfully different in a statistical sense in these studies). The problem is mainly that people think of "true" as the opposite of "false", while in the case of crime statistics, "false" means something where the police can prove their claims to be a lie - there is no real "opposite" of…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/01/16 01:36 PM
8	The Making a Difference Project and the unfortunate fuzziness of rape statistics You're welcome. I really have little understanding of what this sub is (I know vaguely what RedPill and BluePill are) but someone asked me to write about this here and I figured, why not?	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/01/16 01:25 PM
11	The Making a Difference Project and the unfortunate fuzziness of rape statistics In other words: always check their methodology. It's usually really obvious how they're manipulating the data if you do that. Frankly, you should always check the methodology of EVERYTHING. Anything you read, if you actually care about it, you should look at the methodology being used to determine what it really means. If you are relying on it for something important, you should be digging down into it and making sure you fully understand what they were doing and why they were doing it when they…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/01/16 01:21 PM
13	The Making a Difference Project and the unfortunate fuzziness of rape statistics What do you think about stats like the "one in five women will be raped" being leveraged by feminists? Again, this depends on what you're defining as "rape"; as I noted above, different groups define rape differently. Some groups only define vaginal penetration as rape (which also means men can't be raped). Some consider rape to be any form of penetration of any oriface. Some only consider forcible rape. Ect. Some groups also have wrong-headed ideas about what constitutes rape, such as, for inst…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/01/16 01:08 PM