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No different than incels with their online echo chambers
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/26 02:07 AM
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Gotta look harder. You think the TwoX types are in happy relationships and surrounded by tons of friends?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 08:00 PM
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People who need to "vent" constantly are unpleasant, un-fun, and generally bring others down into their misery. Most people won't make space for people like that. The only thing these people are doing with their constant need to "vent" and be negative is ensuring that they end up completely alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 03:47 PM
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Nah thats an internet thing. Easy to get the point across IRL in fewer words. Internet the fewer words the more likely someone misunderstands, assumes, or twists the meaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 07:15 AM
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Well since you said "taking the piss out", I'll say I've never really understood British humor. We give each other shit but usually implying something very straight is "gay" doesnt make the cut cuz it makes the person telling the "joke" look dumb or sexually stunted, at least where I'm from. We usually gave each other shit for dumb things while drinking. Always gave one of my buddies shit cuz he was into economics, would talk girls' ears off at the bar about it, and never realized the fact she w…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 02:50 AM
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Married men also have more disposable income due to economies of scale. Living space for 2 people is < 2x living space for 1. Phone plans for 2 < 2 individual plans. Food costs for 2 < 2x food costs for 1. Internet, Netflix, cable for 2 = same for 1. Bundled car insurance. All economies of scale.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 11:44 PM
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LMAO so it's gay to go on vacations with your bros, rent a lake house, party a lot, and hit up locsl spots to maybe meet women to party with? Hell, one of the easiest hookups I ever had was going to a bar in Nantucket while vacationing with my buddy and this VERY well off girl came over, talked to me, and asked how long we were there. It was our last night. She wanted a summer bf because she was stuck with her family all summer. When I told her, her reply was "too bad". I said, "I know...but I'm…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 11:41 PM
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Normal single dudes also spend money. Like you never went on a vacation with your buddies? Rented a lake cabin and a boat and partied for a few days? You never had buddies over to sit around a fire, shoot the shit, then stay up all night watching bro movies on Netflix like Rounders, Fight Club, etc. only to hit up a local 24h diner at 4am before finally crashing? You never hosted friends at your place and picked up a bunch of snacks, drinks, and pizzas for everyone? Normal single guys also pay f…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 09:26 PM
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Disagree with this. Guys who are "happy living very cheaply" are ususlly low ambition types who are content living in relative squalor and gaming all day. I've been on a very limited budget, driven cheap vehicles, had to rely on public transit, and had to live very cheaply when I was young...and its not very fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 08:36 PM
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Islam explicitly allows for the existence of other religions. White Christian nationalism doesn't, because these are fundamentally different political projects. Even in a caliphate, where the caliph holds both political and religious authority, non-Muslim communities are explicitly recognized as existing under that government. Islam is privileged, absolutely, but the goal isn't that everyone becomes Muslim. And yet in practice, other religions are routinely persecuted in places that practice Isl…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 02:44 PM
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People who are far left or far right always consider me "entirely biased towards the other end", so I guess that must make me a moderate. Look up the role that socialists played in the 1979 Iranian Revolution, and what happened when they had to collectively decide the future direction of Iran after the shah's departure alongside their Islamist allies who were looking to being establishing the global caliphate with the new Iranian government, that of course became "The Islamic Republic."
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 02:30 PM
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How have NYers been "regaining the capability to live their lives?" Average rents just hit yet another high. The public transit service is as bad as its ever been, run by incompetent fools who continue to waste taxpayer resources on overtime because they continue to use paper controls that they were using almost 100 years ago and operate under antiquated work rules and with antiquated systems. Companies are pulling back investment from NYC, pausing or cancelling real estate projects, which is on…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 02:29 PM
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White Christian nationalism isn't simply using Christianity as a convenient way to maintain social cohesion. The religious end is the political project. The goal is the Kingdom of God on Earth: political power is the mechanism through which they intend to create God's intended order, with God ultimately ruling mankind. That's fundamentally different from a government using Islam as a framework for maintaining political and social order. That is exactly what "Islamism" is. There is no functional …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 02:16 PM
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I did not say you support Iran. Obviously as a gay and trans person, if you did that would be completely asinine. However, if you support the red-green alliance, you are supporting the same kind of political alliances among groups that are extremely similar to the groups that came together to support the 1979 Iranian Revolution. So you have a history book showing you that if the red-green alliance comes to power in the US, especially if it does so with the full backing and legitimacy of the Demo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 02:11 PM
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Setting the stage for NYC's future default and bankruptcy, and then strong arming the impotent Kathy Hochul into the state bailing out the city when the state itself is also facing a financial cliff is not "benefitting NYC." He hasn't done a thing to "benefit NYC." If socialism has a track record of "totalitarians taking it over" then it is a deeply flawed system. The point of representative government is making it hard for extremists to take over, which is why parliamentary systems, or systems …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 02:08 PM
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...Or we could talk about Iran, and how the socialist-Islamist alliance that is currently being pushed in America was the root cause of what is arguably one of the most repressive regimes on the planet along with China, Russia, North Korea, Cuba, and Afghanistan and, you know, not repeat the same mistake. Socialists still hold the record for the most democides in the last 200 years, and in case you missed it, Iran has been killing off as many protesters in the last year as Israel has Palestinian…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 01:58 PM
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Mamdani, like those college professors, is also a champagne socialist. You really think that guy gives a fuck about anything other than his own political aspirations? He's already trying to get the taxpayers to basically finance his re-election campaign. Classic socialism. Capitalism may be a "corrosive system" but any student of history knows that socialism is far worse. And no, the Scandinavian countries aren't "socialist" - they're market economies that actually score higher on economic freed…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 01:53 PM
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And what does Hamas do to gay people and trans people such as yourself? Do you consider your fellow leftists who DO support Hamas to be "allies"?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 01:51 PM
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Hypocrisy is not disqualifying. Did you miss all the college professors living in America with ties to the Iranian regime? None of them wore hijab either. Tons of socialists perfectly happy to benefit from capitalism while espousing their degenerate worldviews. Tons of "conservatives" preaching about morality while trying to brag about how many women they allegedly bang. Like I said, it's a study in sociopaths. Fortunately we've seen the "radical leftism" and "far right" movie before throughout …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 01:29 PM
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Islamist is a political term. We are talking about politics. Islamic is a religious term. We are not talking about religion. Ironic that you are trying to "educate me" yet you clearly can't distinguish Christian Nationalism (politics) from Christianity (religion). You really think people who openly support Hamas, such as Mamdani and is wife, are mere regular Muslims? You really think non-Islamist Muslims support groups like Hamas, or the Iranian mullahs? Come back when you can differentiate poli…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 01:25 PM
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Islamist and Islamic are two very different things. Read about it. I don't support Christian Nationalists. Extremists calls a moderate an extremist. That tracks.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 01:18 PM
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FWIW, I think career ambition is overrated. A lot of people are looking for careers to validate what interpersonal relationships don't, and in many cases, that results in a job becoming an identity which IMO is unhealthy. Getting laid off can then become a psychological event. And any interpersonal connections you do make are tied to the job, so when you lose the job you lose them, and your social circle will have a higher rate of attrition than most since most people job hop a lot more (network…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 01:13 PM
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Egg freezing is also a win for men. Like the dude a woman dates at 40, when she doesn't already have another man's kids, actually gets to try for a biological kid with her instead of either raising someone else's kids, or having to accept the fact he's never gonna have kids with her (or having to use donor eggs which is even MORE expensive than egg freezing, and she may not even be okay with).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 01:06 PM
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It's a much more reliable procedure than finally meeting a partner at 41, marrying at 43, and trying to conceive naturally at 44.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 01:02 PM
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The biggest drivers of declining birth rates is hyper-urbanization, the costs of real estate (largely due to allowing institutional investors to buy single family homes and foreign nationals to buy real estate at all), the costs of higher education (often due to administrative bloat in colleges that go beyond core faculty and instructional/educational costs), and the cost of specialized programs for children that make child-rearing much more expensive than it used to be in order to give kids a g…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 12:58 PM
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They're sexual socialists on the Communism spectrum. Just like socialists want to sit in the seat of judgment and allocate resources to everyone (and determine how those people should spend their government-approved redistributed wealth), sexual socialists want to sit in the seat of judgment and determine who should fuck whom and when, and what the products of those relationships should be (# of children, frequency of sex, etc.) It's fucking weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 12:55 PM
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The left has stupidly chose to open its doors to Islamists like Mamdani (who support groups like Hamas, which is hardly "LGBTQ+ tolerant) so expect more of the same in the coming years. The most interesting - from a future-historical perspective, because it sucks to live it due to the polarizing extreme candidates it produces, none of which are actually desirable to most of the electorate - thing about the current period in politics is the inherent contradictions in the extremists' views. Leftis…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 12:46 PM
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You need to go outside. Some of the young people hooking up and having the most sex and relationships are living paycheck to paycheck.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 12:39 PM
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Women have not given a fuck about "provider men" for going on 50 years now. However, women are not willing to subsidize a deadbeat, even if he's hot. She might fuck him on birth control if she's inclined to have casual sex, but that's not most women. She works in a white collar field with nights and weekends off and makes 85K, and wants a family someday. Therefore, she will expect her boyfriends to work in a field that makes close to 85K with nights and weekends off and have some plan for the fu…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 12:38 PM
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Also a really good contribution to this thread. Take my upvote.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 12:27 PM
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And Adam is not "ONLY" attracted to people who look like Sally. So because couples spend time and talk, Sally isn't really interested in being with someone who at some point is likely going to express appreciation for men, regardless of whether or not he acts on it. Sally would also be well within her rights to reject a guy who is into feet, regardless of whether or not he ever asks her to indulge his fetish, well within her rights to reject a guy who is into scat porn regardless of whether he e…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 11:35 AM
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Because they're not, everyone knows this, and if it wasn't for leftist lunatics harrassing every JK Rowling, Riley Gaines, Sophie Cunningham, Lamoreaux Twins, or anyone else who states the obvious society wouldve moved on from this insanity already. We'd let people do what they want with their own bodies but just because someone self identifies in some way doesnt mean others have to see them that way. Consider a similar example with cisgender people: Chud: "I'm a 10/10 hot, desirable breadwinnin…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 11:21 PM
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Key word in your definition: "ONLY"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 11:04 PM
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The point of this advice is to avoid coming off as a tryhard, which makes you look both desperate and unattractive at the same time. Which is why it's actually good advice. Ever worked in sales? Pushy sellers don't sell well.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 10:24 PM
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The incompatibility is coming from the same place that it comes from when I say I don't want to date a woman who is into anime, or TMZ, or who sells feet pics on OnlyFans. Whether or not she does it around me, or I see it, is irrelevant. You are scriptwriting a narrative into a rejection where none is being stated to suit your aims.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 04:27 PM
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Lol...WHY isnt she interested?? That's where the homophobia is bruh🤣🤣 this conversation will keep going in circles because you keep on leaving out the crucial details. At some point im gonna think you're doing it intentionally. A phobia is an irrational fear. Not wanting to fuck someone is not being irrationally afraid of them. Can you please stop doing this thing where you act like ANYONES dating preferences are being dictated for them in this conversation?like seriously it's just disingenuous.…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 04:24 PM
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So you've lost the plot, and now you're going to dig you heels in on arguing a distinction that is functionally meaningless to most people. Got it 👍 Let's try another "feeling vs. behavior" - should men who get settled for by women who preferred her ex stay in the relationship when they find that out? What if she prefers him, but wants him to use toys because "her ex was bigger and felt better?"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 04:18 PM
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Got it. So you're using words that don't mean what you say they mean, to argue a point that those words don't actually mean. Holy fuck, dude. Nobody is saying "they all have STDs." Being repulsed by gay sex is not a phobia of it. Do you find scat porn repulsive? What about cock and ball torture? What about the sick fucks that get off to animal "crush" videos? Those revulsions are equally valid when it comes to someone determining their own sexual preferences and what sexual attractions they deem…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 02:43 PM
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False. Free speech is not unlimited. Threats are not protected speech. Doxxing is not protected speech. Yelling FIRE in a crowded theater is not protected free speech. The problem people like you seem to have with rights is that you don't understand that you do not have the right to do whatever you want. You have the right to do whatever you want so long as it does not encroach on the right of another to do what they want. Your rights end at your neighbor. Your "rights" cannot coerce or imperil …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 02:41 PM
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Why? Because she loses attraction. I know this is really hard to comprehend on a sub that thinks they can argue and cite peer reviewed studies into other people being attracted to them, but that's kinda how it works. Ok, so in this case, she doesn't like dudes who like anime. What does she not like in dudes who are bi? The fact that they are not only attracted to women like herself. Great. So she doesn't like dudes who are into redpill. What does she not like in dudes who are bi? The fact that t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 02:39 PM
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She is disqualifying him for his preference. Sally likes men. Sally likes submissive men. Adam is a man and likes women. Adam likes to be a dominant man. Sally finds out Adam is attractive, and no longer wants to be with him. Adam is upset and offers to be submissive. Sally still isn't interested. This is the same kind of incompatibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 02:35 PM
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So should Sally be forced to date a lesbian woman? Because by your logic she'd be homophobic if she refuses. Oh, that's right. Sally is a straight woman, attracted to straight men. Well, Adam isn't a straight man. That's it. Sally is allowed to have that preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 02:32 PM
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But the point is not whether or not it's morally acceptable or not. The point is whether or not someone should be shamed for refusing to date someone with a preference who has not actually done anything illegal - just as the pedophile who hasn't acted...no matter how much they fucking suck and many people* feel they'd be better off in a woodchipper...has not actually done anything "morally wrong" in a legal sense. The point is whether it's valid to lose attraction to someone for same. \not speci…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 02:29 PM
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It's not the act itself...it's the REASON behind the act, if a store owner refused black customers solely on the basis that he/she doesnt want his stuff being stolen or vandalized, then that would be racist because it stems from harmful ideas about black people being violent thieves. Yes because that is an irrational fear of something while the specific black person being denied service has not done any of those things. Same applies to straight women, if their "preference" is rooted in their dis…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 02:22 PM
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Again, not wanting to fuck someone is not a phobia.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 11:26 AM
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I haven't pushed you into a corner. I've given you a parallel. Bisexuality is a sexual preference that is illegal in some jurisdictions (see sharia law), pedophilia is a sexual preference that is illegal in some jurisdictions (but ironically not in the places with sharia law). Both carry some degree of societal stigma, others are more accepting of them. Neither requires a person to act on them sexually for the person who has that particular inclination to experience attraction. There is little f…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 10:18 AM
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$150K USD IS upper middle class in most of the US and Canada, and is two $75K a year USD incomes. Median household income in Nassau County, NY, which is one of the wealthiest suburbs in the country, is a little below $150K. A couple where both of them have been NYC Sanitation Workers for 5 years exceeds $150K. That absolutely is upper middle class, and doesn't even require a college degree to obtain.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 10:07 AM
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Not dating someone isn't not respecting them. If they voice those stereotypes when explaining why they don't want you around and spreading unfounded rumors about you, or they refuse to hire you because they think you're going to turn the company into a giant orgy, that's very different (and unacceptable) vs. just not dating you, and citing the reason only if you ask them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 09:54 AM
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But such a distinction is meaningless because "promiscuous" has no single definition. To the Islamist men screeching about virgins, a woman with an n count of 1 is "damaged goods." To a normal, moderate man, a woman with an n count of 5 who has only been in committed relationships is totally dateable. To a guy of 30 who fooled around a little in college, dated seriously in his 20s, and hasn't found his person yet, a woman with an n count of 12 is a viable partner as long as she's stayed out of g…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 09:51 AM
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Yes, but in exercising your freedoms you can still be discriminatory. Why are you only attributing discrimination to things that would be illegal? Because it is one of several definitions of the word, and arguably the one with the most important and far reaching consequences. Discrimination has 3 definitions, and I am talking about the last one. The first two (the ones you're using) is literally "telling things apart from one another" and is so broad as to be meaningless when talking about datin…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 09:47 AM
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There is a massive difference between refusing to provide goods or service to customers in a business at prices where currency is exchanged versus consenting to grant someone access to your body or a life with you where no currency is exchanged. What a ridiculous comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 09:29 AM
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Attraction IS a behavior. I KNOW you're not suggesting that pedophilia is okay as long as "they don't act on it", right? In your world: Is it valid for a young looking 18 year old woman to reject a guy she finds out is into underage girls, even though he's never actually sexually pursued one since he turned 18, and she herself is 18?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 09:28 AM
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A phobia is an irrational fear of something, not a refusal to engage with it sexually
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 12:06 AM
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Yes they do. Attraction to both men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 12:05 AM
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Hell, the entire Manosphere has been nonstop bitching about women not fucking average men And I push back on that as well. For the exact same reason. If merit is tied to a class, yeah that’s discrimination. The same can be applied to socializing, friendships, and any social interaction at all. "Merit" as in compatibility. You can turn anything into a class if you want to. Hell, "red pillers" could complain they're being "discriminated" against by women who won't date them with what you're saying…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 10:00 PM
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You do not have to allow anyone to touch you that you don't want.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 09:57 PM
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Yes, it's not racist. Thank you. You're so close. Now - What is a "potential behavior" of a bi man?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 09:56 PM
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You can leave the pedo if you want, no one is shaming you for that. That is morally wrong. He didn't act on it. Is it still morally wrong to you? I know my answer, but I'm not the one arguing that women should stay in relationships with bi men they lose attraction to for the same reason. What is morally wrong about having been with a man? To someone who holds religious beliefs that homosexuality is a sin, a lot. To someone who doesn't, it doesn't have to be morally wrong to still be unattractive…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 09:54 PM
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Sure, but again I’m not talking about legal requirements. If you cross the street because the person is black it is still racist. The legal sense is the only sense that matters, though. People have the right to do whatever they want. A black person is just as justified in crossing the street to avoid a white person if they feel threatened. Nobody is obligated to risk their safety or sacrifice consent to placate the feelings of someone else. Nothing is being denied the person not crossing the str…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 09:52 PM
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"Not fucking someone" is never a type of "discrimination" (in that broadest-possible-first-definition-meaning) that should be frowned upon or shamed or criticized. In practice it falls under "individual merit" in #2 because each individual reserves the right to select what merit constitutes in dating when choosing a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 09:36 PM
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Never said they weren't over their ex. Just said the baby daddy was still in the picture as a coparent. Why did you just discriminate against single moms by stereotyping them? Now go have your struggle session and examine your bigotry. You really think all single moms aren't over their ex? See how that works? Shitty. Nobody thinks bi men are "tainted" by gay sex they just aren't into them. Women are equally valid to reject a bi guy who didn't ever be with another man. You didn't answer the pedof…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 09:30 PM
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OK. I don't feel shame for rejecting anyone for any reason. That's not the point. The point is that you are attempting to weaponize societal level shaming - which often comes with encroachments to people's privacy or quality of life if they are deemed "bigoted" in the context of their career - to "course correct" their preferences to be in line with what you want. And that invariably leads to witch hunts, particularly when "advocates" look to codify such discrimination as "against the law" which…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 09:27 PM
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"Not fucking someone" is not and has ever been discrimination in a legal sense. By the overly broad definition you are using (see #1 below), it's "discrimination" to choose between two people for any reason, because that's the most all-encompassing meaning of the term. That same definition says you're discriminating against hamburgers if you prefer cheeseburgers and is so broad as to be ridiculous in the context of a debate about personal preferences in dating. noun The ability or power to see o…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 09:23 PM
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Who said i dont for the first, and for reasons on the second. I dont want to get involved in someone elses mess, call ot whatever you want but atleast i have a reason and can admit it instead of hiding behind "its just a preference, i dont owe you an explaintion". Why though? You want kids, they have kids. You're attracted to them, they're attracted to you. Why aren't you fucking and dating them? If i stopped dating someone when i found out their ex was a different race, would you think I'm raci…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 09:20 PM
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Is it "discrimination" if a young woman who just turned 18, but "looks young" suddenly loses attraction for her boyfriend after 2 dates because she finds out he's expressed a sexual preference for minors even though "he's never acted on it?"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 09:18 PM
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Is it wrong for women to have sex with their boyfriends before being married? Then why do millions of Muslim women grow up feeling that way? Why are they legally penalized and disowned if they do? Because "they think it's wrong" too? Ignorant L take.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 09:17 PM
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Can't help you understand history if you don't know it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 09:16 PM
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Sure, redefine something as "discrimination" in a place where there are laws against discrimination. What could go wrong? And people wonder why Marxist struggle sessions always devolve into genocides and totalitarian police states.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 09:07 PM
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No, you're just saying they should be harrassed and accosted unless they change those preferences to include you. They don't owe you an explanation. Nobody does. They're not interested. Period, full stop. Why don't you want to date high n count women and women with kids and a baby daddy in the picture?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 09:05 PM
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Should they be charged with a hate crime for it? Because that's where this leads.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 09:04 PM
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The purpose of societal shaming is always to ensure favored behavior. That's exactly what you're doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 09:03 PM
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If someone crosses the street at night when they see only dark skinned people, this would be racist, but it is not the sort of thing that would get you arrested or fired. especially because it does not impact the affected person’s rights.people are not entitled to have you walk down the same lane as them. And if the person felt that other person was a threat, regardless of their race, they would be wise to cross the street...whether due to their gait, them mumbling under their breath, or whateve…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 09:02 PM
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So young women should be screamed at as "ageist" for a preference, arguing that they're violating federal anti-discrimination laws, and doxxed by leftist lunatics because they won't date old men? Holy fuck. You people are insane. Nobody is obligated to date anyone they don't want to. And using the threat of Marxist "equity" lynch mobs while claiming "it's just free speech" is some fucking totalitarian bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 08:54 PM
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Holy fuck. Read the subreddit's Rule #5 already.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 08:51 PM
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I'd give this comment an award, but I refuse to pay for Reddit. 🏆
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 08:48 PM
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Most liberal women aren't leftist and have more in common with mainstream (non-MAGA) conservatives than leftists once you factor out abortion, which conservatives have stupidly clung to, which is the single biggest reason many younger women stay to the left as the Overton window has shifted in the US since 2014-15 or so. It's leftists that are pushing this "you must fuck everyone or you're a bigot" insanity. And there are more incels on the left than on the right (and this has been studied).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 08:46 PM
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Which is also fucking insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 08:43 PM
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100%. Trying to force someone to change their dating preferences to accommodate you is incel behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 08:43 PM
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Just because someone is willing to fuck you, and you are willing to fuck someone who is kinda sort like them, but different in a specific way, does not make you compatible with them nor obligated to fuck or date them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 08:41 PM
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So is she a "bigot" and should she be required to either date a bunch of old dudes to prove she's overcome her bigotry in whatever struggle session? Or should she be forced to write a 500 word essay on Reddit affirming her mistake and vowing to consider old men in the future? Or none of the above? Because that's what these witch hunts are leading to. Several of the responses in this thread from "bi men" are insane. Literal proof right there of why a woman would rather tell him "ok" for a date an…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 08:34 PM
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It's valid to refuse to date either person for either reason. That reason also does not be provided. "No" is a complete sentence, and the people crashing out over rejections are THE problem, and a major reason why so many women would rather postpone and cancel a guy to death than tell him they are not and will never be attracted to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 08:29 PM
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Erroneously labeling someone as "racist" "sexist" "homophobic" etc. which carries severe repercussions in the workforce and to their personal safety in the era of doxxing is ABSOLUTELY dangerous over what is, at the end of the day, personal preference. Free speech does not include things that in modern life severely impact people's lives. It's not free speech to yell FIRE in a movie theater and it's not free speech to falsely scream BIGOT in public forums at a private individual who doesn't want…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 08:22 PM
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Again: It's not racist to not be attracted to specific traits and behaviors. Behavior can be discriminatory if it victimizes someone. Not dating or fucking someone isn't discriminatory. It's not victimizing them. You are letting them live their life, you are just not providing, or revoking your revocable consent within the confines of sex/romance which is deeply individual and personal anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 07:54 PM
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And you're trying to draw a distinction where none exists. Doesn't matter. If any trait causes someone to lose interest to someone sexually, they are not required to date or fuck them. Period. That doesn't make them "racist" "sexist" "homophobic" etc. Are straight people who refuse to fuck or date gay men homophobic too? What about people who want biological kids who aren't attracted to trans people, or better yet are attracted and immediately lose all attraction when they find out they're trans…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 07:52 PM
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Discrimination: Treatment or consideration based on class or category, such as race or gender, rather than individual merit; partiality or prejudice. Everybody gets to decide in dating what "individual merit" means.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 07:48 PM
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So then are women discriminating against incels when they do not want to date them? Are women discriminating against old men when they won't entertain creepy flirting from guys old enough to be their grandfather? Come on now. Wild that this sub is now arguing against consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 07:47 PM
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Holy shit, dude...because she isn't into him when she finds that out. It's no different than if she found out he likes anime and she doesn't want to date a dude who likes anime. Or if he's into red pill content, and she doesn't want to date a guy who likes red pill content regardless of how he treats her. Or if she says she wants a "kind" man but after him doing favors for her for weeks, she decides he's too spineless and people pleasing for her. She. Lost. Interest. That's it. That's her right.…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 07:31 PM
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Because the woman does not want a heterosexual relationship with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 07:24 PM
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Who cares if he's crusty or not? Should young, attractive, 18 year old men be required to give equal consideration to 65 year old grandmothers who hit on them? Is it "discrimination" if they don't? People are not required to fuck people they don't want to fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 07:24 PM
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Not wanting to let somebody sit on a bus seat is also not discrimination. But the fact that it happened to Rosa Parks because she was black was discrimination. If you can't understand the difference between granting someone access to your body, being naked with them, fucking them, and possibly even reproducing with them...with sitting next to someone on the bus, possibly even being separated by several seats, then you are incapable. Not wanting to bake a cake for a customer is not discrimination…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 07:21 PM
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Exactly. That's a perfectly normal and approach to have. If someone isn't into bi men, you're not compatible with each other. The only course of action at that point is to move onto someone else, unlike the people in this thread trying to shame and coerce the women who wouldn't date you over that into dating you anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 07:16 PM
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Is it "discrimination" when 18 year old women don't want to fuck crusty old men?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 07:15 PM
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And bi men are not only attracted to women like her.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 07:14 PM
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"Stop there. This is what being bi means." You said getting aroused. That means there is a physiological response. An erection. A surge of testosterone. It's reasonable for someone not to want to date a bi man because of that. "Getting aroused" is a descriptor, but there is still an act. You keep pushing this action that has consequences. Being bi is not an action. Having relations with men is. If women says they do not want to date someone who has had sexual relations with men, that's different…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 06:33 PM
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Yes they do. She is only attracted to men. He is not only attracted to women, and may have even been with men in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 06:30 PM
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Terrible, terrible example. Sneezing is much more comparable to an erection than trying to provide proof of accidental damage. Accidental != Involuntary. Cool, you sneezed and dropped your phone, and now your phone doesn't work. Is the replacement free? If you sneeze and drop a glass, do you have to replace that at your own cost? Still an action. you dropped the items. Is there a reason you think I'm bisexual? Royal you, not you personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 06:29 PM
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You have misread my comment I am saying just because somebody is a bit biphobic does not mean they should be ostracised. People are a bit racist. People are a bit sexist. Doesn’t mean they are malicious. In other words, there is a debate to be had as to what is a tolerable level of discrimination. Not wanting to fuck someone is not discrimination.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 06:27 PM
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Communism is having a moment right now, unfortunately. People need to read up on their history because if this goes too much further, it never ends the way the Communists promise it's gonna end. Literally 200 years of history proves it, and no, the Scandinavian countries aren't "socialist." And I DGAF about the distinction between Communism and socialism because they all lead to the same place, in the political DSM-5 might as well just refer to all those idiots as "on the Communism spectrum" sin…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 05:59 PM
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That's really a wild take. If an 18 year old woman refuses to date a crusty old man, is that age discrimination? Age is, after all, a federally protected characteristic too. This is a deeply flawed argument against preferences, and using shaming language to try and coerce others against their preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 05:56 PM
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All of your examples are things that are done to another person. Being bi requires no action! If my girl is into pegging and I say "I'm not interested" and she respects that, why should that inform me of anything? Even then, your examples still need action to be taken and for past actions to have happened. You still don't need to fuck a dude to be bi So bi men should suppress their sexuality to appease partners who lose attraction to them when they find out they're bi? I need to do whatever yoga…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 05:54 PM
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It's not "ostracizing someone from society" to refuse to fuck them. People are not entitled to sex from anyone else. There is a WIDE difference between "yeah, gay people can marry, I don't harrass them in public, don't treat them with hostility, am not denying them the right to be married, am not killing them like in Islamist countries, and if I'm a hiring manager I grant them the same fair shot as any other candidate" and "if I'm not willing to fuck at least one of their kind, I'm being discrim…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 05:51 PM
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So is it age discrimination for an 18 year old woman not to want to fuck a crusty old man? Age is, after all, a federally protected characteristic, is it not?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 05:46 PM
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The word you're looking for is bodily consent. "Not discriminating against people" doesn't mean letting them touch your body, have sex with you, etc. This is fucking wild. Holy fucking Reddit moment that this needs to be explained to people. Is it age discrimination for 18 year old women not to want to fuck old men?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 05:45 PM
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No, it's not. Are you choosing to be aroused every time you are? Yes it is. It's an action, because action is taken. Simple question: Is it kink shaming for a man to refuse to date a woman who is into cock and ball torture? Or is it a sexual preference? She can't help it, she just gets turned on by it, right? What if she's into pegging, and she has a dildo that you know has been in another man's ass? "But it's clean now, she washed it, and she wants you to use it on her. Wait, why are you comple…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 05:42 PM
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I mean, probably not, but if I met her family and they were traditional Asian, I would be out. I also think I'd recognize if someone was 1/4 Asian, but if I'd still found them (and was actually single, see flair) I'd at least consider it. But also there's no such thing as being 1/4 bi. There are 3 types of people in the world: those who are attracted only to the opposite sex, those who are attracted to the same sex but have never acted on it, and those who are attracted to the same sex and have …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 05:40 PM
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Yup. LGBTQ+ cozying up to radical Islam that beheads gay people and throws them off buildings. Women who fought for decades to get women's sports advocating for biological men who benefitted from male puberty to take those scholarships, opportunities, and roster spots. People who fought against gender stereotypes suggesting that young boys who like playing with dolls and wearing makeup might actually be women and tomboys might actually be men. People who said "love is love, and you can't control…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 05:37 PM
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Finally a sane comment in this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 05:34 PM
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Cool, and there are some women are more into bi men than straight men. Date among those who want to date you and stop trying to shame or coerce people who don't want to fuck you, to fuck you. Everything I listed is a sexual preference that enough people have for it to be considered a mainstream kink.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 05:28 PM
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Funny you mention that: "Men getting aroused by dick" is also an action. So by that logic women could dealbreak them for that, and it's not discrimination. I also wouldn't have dated a woman who came from a stereotypically Asian family and all the cultural expectations that entailed, even if I found her attractive. Because I desired to live a Western lifestyle, and overbearing Eastern parents and extended family won't allow you to do that. Also not discrimination. So those two things effectively…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 05:20 PM
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A straight woman says she isn't attracted to men who get turned on by dick. It's that simple. It's no different than a man losing attraction to a woman because she's into cock and ball torture and he's not, or she's into threesomes and he's not, or one of them is into cucking or ENM and the other is not, or women who get turned off by dudes with foot fetishes. It's literally a sexual preference. No other "reason" is necessary.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 05:17 PM
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Those people would still be wrong though. The bar for racism is not actually discriminating against them. Not dating someone or wanting to fuck them isn't discriminating against them. It falls outside of discrimination. Do you really want to open the door to all the bitter incels who will claim you're "discriminating" against them for being losers? Because that's exactly what the point you're trying to argue is doing. There is a MASSIVE difference between allowing somebody to live their life and…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 05:02 PM
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I specifically didn't give a number because upper middle class varies regionally, and Canadians and western Europeans date by the same general cultural values as Americans, but have different currencies. But most college grads who have their shit together want to have an upper middle class lifestyle which is entirely possible on two above average incomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 04:58 PM
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Welcome to leftist insanity. Somehow we went from live and let live, which is an entirely reasonable way to live life, to "if you don't date trans people, you're transphobic, and if you don't want your partners to be attracted to same sex too, you're homophobic." This is the slippery slope of leftism. Most of us stopped at live and let live. Gay and bi and trans adults can all do their own thing...nobody is obligated to give them anything more than they personally want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 04:56 PM
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Exactly, it's not. I love big, beautiful eyes. I can count on one hand the number of Asian women in my life I've ever found physically attractive. Some features and behavior just aren't attractive to different people. TONS of dudes pedestalize and fetishize Asian women it's such a common preference, but it never was for me. I was never into girl gamers or women who liked anime. It's as reasonable to lose attraction when a woman says "I'm into anime" as it is for a woman to lose attraction when a…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 04:54 PM
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100% this. I literally made under 60K a year for every woman I actually dated. Yeah, I'm "six figures" now but that was AFTER I met and was dating my wife. Hell, when I met her I was working part time waiting for a job to start that paid me under 50K before overtime. Most women were content on the "career" front as long as you had a plan that would get to upper middle class by 30 or 35, and that only came up after you were already vibing with them. None of which is unreasonable among college edu…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 03:16 PM
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As far as appearance: A woman who wears dress slacks and a suit all the time, wears wristwatches with the big face (not the woman-sized smallface watches), wears loafers, has a deep voice, is "jacked", has an extremely pronounced jawline, has a little hair on her upper lip, has a masculine haircut... A man who wears dresses or skirts, wears wristwatches with the small face, wears heels, has a very high pitched or squeaky voice, is extremely petite with little muscle, has extremely soft features,…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 08:45 AM
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It's really not that difficult - just join activities at school or outside of school that are conducive to that. It doesn't look suspicious from the outside in if he focuses on making the friendship first, and doesn't worry about asking for advice till later. The biggest thing holding guys back socially during the high school years is doing nothing at school except going to class, then going home and retreating to their rooms alone and being on the internet all the time. And failing that, colleg…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 11:41 PM
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The best place to look is friend groups. Make friends with sexually and romantically successful men, pick their brains, socialize in groups with them, watch what they do, get introduced to women by them, and then start building from there. But to do that, a guy has to first have the social skills to make friends, and has to leave bubbles of sexually unsuccessful men, which is usually where the types of guys that have this problem are starting from (because guys with romantically successful frien…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 11:22 PM
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I honestly think that sometimes the guys who struggle with basic flirting and touch are so inhibited and nervous that when they "objectify" women they actually return to a normal place of banter and flirting and not putting them on a pedestal. But in their own minds, they're "being an asshole" or a "fuckboy." Not pretending to know what the poster you're replying to here is like or doing, but I have seen this in the past where someone in the larger friend group suddenly figured out that being a …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 11:20 PM
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Maybe so, but if he needs a coach, a stranger on the Internet is a terrible place to look in the first place. A boy trying to get better at sports also wouldn't be wise to look to Reddit for a personalized training plan in, say, baseball either.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 11:15 PM
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Not necessarily. Guys here get told all the time that most women aren't into skinny milquetoasts or fat tubs of lard. They get told, if they fall into either of those categories, to get into the gym. That's one piece of advice to help him. Yet it spawns gymcels who get into the gym, go on gear to the point they become caricatures of masculinity, and still can't get girlfriends. Only now, his dick doesn't work properly, he shortened his life expectancy, and now he has anger issues. That's where t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 11:08 PM
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This video game mindset is completely counterproductive. There are certain behaviors at large scale that are attractive: confidence, competence, humor (the exact nature of which varies from person to person), general lifestyle. Everything else is just noise, or so highly individualized that it's not actionable in the aggregate. Even asking "how do I appeal to [specific woman's] friend group?" is going to be a loaded question. One girl might like rugged country types. One girl might like skinny a…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 10:58 PM
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100% and same. I suspect this is how most modern relationships are in practice, at least in the West.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 10:50 PM
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Couple that with Internet "argument fouls" that they regurgitate while not understanding, such as strawman, ad hominem, etc. and you have a perfect storm of the dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 10:44 PM
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Dress isn't behavior? That's a conscious choice. What about? In terms of personality, isn't an expressive communicator, fairly literal, doesn't smile or laugh easily ("resting bitch face"), aggressive, rarely displays big emotions aside from anger every once in a while, keeps things to herself, is competitive in most areas of her life even where things should be collaborative, can be argumentative, can get physically aggressive / fight especially when challenged, gets inconsolably angry when "di…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 07:19 PM
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I'm engaging with the OP. What other "feminine behaviors" does the OP explicitly refer to in the OP besides "being bisexual"? confident, independent, emotionally stable, assertive, sexually forward, competent, capable of standing up for himself All of these traits aren't gendered. Tons of women have them too.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 07:16 PM
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Weaponized incompetence and unattractive AF
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 07:15 PM
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Sure we are. Anything else falls under competence. Competence isn't gendered. A dude wearing skirts isn't masculine. A dude liking gardening who otherwise presents and acts like a man is just a competent man who likes to garden...nothing feminine about him. Someone being bisexual is something else entirely, and a lot of heterosexual people don't want to date non-heterosexual people of the opposite sex. It's really not that deep lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 06:59 PM
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Wears dress slacks and a suit all the time, wears wristwatches with the big face (not the woman-sized smallface watches), wears loafers, has a deep voice, is "jacked", has an extremely pronounced jawline, sharp angled facial features, thick neck, has a little hair on her upper lip, has a masculine haircut, distinctly un-feminine gait / aggressive walker... In terms of personality, isn't an expressive communicator, fairly literal, doesn't smile or laugh easily ("resting bitch face"), aggressive, …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 06:54 PM
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Not necessarily. Tomboys have masculine interests, and usually dress unisex...that's all. Most guys love it when women are into sports, racing cars, etc. That's different than a woman who wears dress slacks and a suit all the time, wears wristwatches with the big face (not the woman-sized smallface watches), wears loafers, has a deep voice, is "jacked", has an extremely pronounced jawline, has a little hair on her upper lip, has a masculine haircut... ...or in the case of lesbian signaling, wear…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 06:51 PM
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I think what's actually more important to a lot of women than Being Masculine is Not Being Feminine. I mean, generally heterosexual people prefer their partners to not resemble their same biological sex, so that seems reasonable, no? Straight guys also don't like masculine women. That doesn't mean women need to be dainty and feminine - they can be tomboys and for some men that's hot as hell...they just can't be masculine. Most heterosexual people who want heterosexual partners also don't find ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 06:33 PM
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Dinner dates are usually horrifically cringe for first dates. Unless both people are foodies, it's a horrible way to build connection: Sitting across from one another in rigid positions with a table between you, obstructing most of the person's body language, while you spend the first 5-10 minutes getting interrupted being served water, asked if you know what you want to drink, handed a menu that immediately demands attention and interrupts any ongoing conversation, asked for your order, given b…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 01:40 PM
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Yup, that's Islam for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 01:48 AM
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The Muslims in the manosphere 😂😂 The incel paradox: "I want casual sex" but "casual sex is disgusting"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 01:16 AM
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100%. Nowhere else besides Reddit have I seen a cluster of people that "hate parties" Sex likely falls in the same category. Lots of people here seem to view sex as for validation, or as something women "give" men out of duty. No, it's fun, and most of us do it for love of the game.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 12:39 AM
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Usually it's about gay or gay adjacent behavior. Most of us aren't into women who display lesbian adjacent behavior either.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 03:14 PM
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100%. Nothing killed interest to me faster than an annoying laugh. She could be a total bombshell. But if I tell a joke and she laughs like a horse, thats a wrap 🎬 I'm not listening to that laugh every time I tell a joke, and I'm not foregoing being funny to not have to hear it. Doesn't mean she's a bad person, but at that point I was out like Shark Tank 🦈 There were other things that killed it for me (acting ditzy, etc.) but that was the biggest. And lets be real video games are more than an ic…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 03:11 PM
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And yet most of us don't date transexuals or overweight women, and the morality police have yet to lock us up for it 🤷‍♂️.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 02:52 PM
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I have a strong idea in a broad sense. However, what women want is highly individual and varied. What women don't want is also highly varied and individual, but there are some commonalities that are near-unanimously unattractive that men should seek to avoid at all costs.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 03:04 AM
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"People imply" - usually incels say that kind of stuff. Plenty of 5'7" dudes pull. The main things that help them are: Not getting a complex because of what other "people imply" Doing the stuff I said in previous post that lets them meet lots of women and be fun to be around. Having a personal style that signals, and is consistent with, who he is, and being reasonably in shape and groomed. Knowing when a woman is into him and being capable of releasing the tension flirting builds up.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 03:00 AM
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Emotional intelligence is something else entirely, and you completely rewrote the post after I replied to it. I can't debate with a moving target if you're going to substantially alter the content of your posts after I reply to them. Emotional intelligence still requires you to get to know him first, which requires proximity and for you to find him physically attractive and fun to be around, and not find his mannerisms offputting. The guys who get zero interest don't benefit from "down the line"…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 01:10 AM
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That's simping. Acts of service is something you do within an established relationship. It's lowkey pathetic to be doing that for someone you just met. You should be getting to know them, not doing their laundry. Women also find it weird and offputting when a guy magically has no schedule whatsoever, is completely available for her, and wants to do all her chores. Like what is he, offering to do her laundry because he's a panty sniffer? A guy with such low self worth he has no plans of his own a…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 01:05 AM
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The biggest problem with dating in the West is too many people approach it all ham-fisted and serious. There is nothing wrong with asking a coworker out, just accept her decision either way, and if it's a nope leave her alone. Nobody gets reported to HR or fired over that. Likewise, too many people carry way too much baggage around basic social interactions: fear of rejection, fear of making a move...when you literally have nothing to lose. You aren't dating these people, there's nothing "risked…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 12:59 AM
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There is a difference between a dealbreaker vs. something that actually makes someone attractive. Being better at chores is not going to make men more attractive. It'll stop him from getting dealbroken if he's a total slob, but also he should be capable of taking care of his own space because it's unhygienic not to. It's not a strategy for pulling. If he's a dud, he'll still be a dud. If he's a scrawny milquetoast that women see as weak, he'll still be that. If he's a fat slob, he'll just be a f…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 12:50 AM
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Chores and money are not drivers of attraction. They are things that can be dealbreakers after someone is already interested. But they do not cultivate attraction in a stranger, they do not signal that a stranger is safe, they do not make a stranger fun to be around. The most important things for attraction are looks, mannerisms, and personality (and personality = fun here, not "nice"). The reason crossdressers inspire disgust is their presentation falls under mannerisms, and most straight women…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 07:25 AM
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The other thing is that activities in school center around your immediate circle, and everyone is the same age thereabouts. Grade school: You go to school, you have 1-3 dozen classmates, you're all studying the same things, and there are group projects. You get lunch, recess, and gym class. There are extracurriculars after school. Outside of school, you can still get enrolled in programs in your neighborhood/town where all of the kids will be local. You get access to multiple friend groups. High…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 07:23 AM
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That "study" is misleading AF though, and pushing an agenda: <image> So 73% of people don't meet through dating apps. "Friends in common" + "Social setting" + "since childhood" + "social networks" = 34% "At school" + "High school sweethearts" = 23% "Through work" = 10% "Religious institutions" = 3% "Other" = 3% The way these groups are segmented almost seems like it's trying to split the results to make "dating app" look more popular than it actually is.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 07:04 AM
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Every time this topic comes up, I say the same thing because it bears repeating: Throughout history, competent traits came to be associated with masculinity, and servile traits came to be associated with femininity. In reality, competence nor servility is gendered. There is a conflation that occurs in these spaces where visual presentation is conflated with gendered traits. Very few women are going to find a man who wears a makeup, dress, heels, paints his nails, etc. attractive. Not only becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 06:59 AM
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A "confession" isnt an adult conversation. It's an emotionally stunted child dumping his "feelings" in her lap and demanding absolution in the form of a date. It's wayyy too heavy and pressured in comparison to expressing interest or introducing flirting which are far better ways to test the waters.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 11:54 PM
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Fortunately for you, most people are lazy. If you improve, you have a massive leg up on most people. And the ratios aren't 90/10. Most people have sex and relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 10:52 PM
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"Declaring interest" isn't 0 to 100. It's, "Hey, I'm kind of enjoying this. Next time we hang, I'd be up for trying it as a date if you are. But no pressure if not." It's not, "so, um, I have a confession...I have these crazy feelings for you, and I don't know what to do about it, and um, maybe we could go out, because I think we're perfect together" like wtf is that? Fellow Men: Stop. With. This. Confessing. Shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 10:50 PM
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Confessing is unattractive. That's not adult behavior. That's the pitiful behavior of a child keeping a secret that weighs on him so he can't keep it anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 10:48 PM
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That still implies improvement is possible since most attributes of a person can be bettered.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 01:00 PM
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They dont hate soft launching flirting...they just wont reciprocate if not interested. They DO hate confessing as its an emotionally heavy, high pressure, immature way of making his feelings her problem, and often lowkey guilting her if she rejects him...so stop "confessing". Confessors also try to go from 0 (we're friends) to 100 (im in love with you) which is a horrible and for lack of a better term asymmetrical way to try and date someone. Confessing is an inherently repulsive way of interact…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 12:58 PM
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You ask a few more detailed questions so this reply will be longer. Only reason I made accusations about you is that you seem to not like relaxing alone. I mean, usually if I'm that tired that I need to relax, I usually find I need sleep more than anything else. And if I need to relax without being tired, then I can just do a relaxing activity and whether I'm alone or not doesn't matter. I enjoy watching a hockey game on TV about equally alone as I would with my wife or a group of friends, so if…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 08:06 PM
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Clearly we don't. I don't find flirting to be fake or performative, I find it fun. I guess we do have not playing video games in common, which is something. And no, I'm not looking to "exchange lives" with you, just looking to point out how the same mindset you've already applied to other aspects of Regardless, the arguments that you're making for how I'm spending my time could just as easy be turned against you. Do you work out because you enjoy working out and feeling strong and healthy? Or be…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 06:45 PM
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I'm indifferent because society is indifferent. My sympathy, empathy, or apathy doesn't change anything for those people, so therefore it's a pointless emotion to have, and I'd rather save bandwidth for something that actually matters to someone. Someone saying "there, there, I sympathize with you that you don't like flirting" isn't going to make a woman give him a chance, and isn't going to drop society's expectation that a man know how to flirt if he wants sex/romance.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 05:50 PM
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You keep trying to psychoanalyze me while completely missing the point. You're not getting it. Having fun and making connections isn't a distraction. It's literally the point. You are on this earth for anywhere between a few minutes and 120 years. Why you would want to waste time "processing" shit in your downtime is beyond me. Make more memories. Do more fun stuff. Self-improve. Learn new skills. Doesn't matter whether you do those things in a group or alone. Your brain already does the process…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 05:44 PM
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You sure seem ready to race to all kinds of assumptions about me. If you want to sit and ruminate, that's on you. But a lot of people don't find that fun, and a lot of us have busy lives and would have to sacrifice things we actually want to do to make time for that. I don't show anything I paint to anyone besides my wife, and half of what I'm "building" while I'm woodworking is just experimenting with different joints to learn how to build them...they don't even become finished products half th…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 05:22 PM
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Why would I want to sit on the couch and think about nothing? There's nothing to think about that requires me to stop life. Are you capable of walking and chewing gum at the same time? You don't think you can have thoughts while you're doing a relaxing activity like creating art or woodworking?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 05:04 PM
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That doesn't happen because there are hundreds of millions of people in my country who speak my language. Boredom is a byproduct of being boring. If I get that "bored," I'll just go watch something, read a book, learn something. Being extroverted doesn't mean I can't lose an afternoon building something in a woodshop by myself, take in an album on the home theater, or try my hand at creating art...voila, not bored anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 04:56 PM
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You don't know what motivates me, so you cling to your delusions in the face of overwhelming evidence against them. I enjoy higher energy interactions. Sitting around in a dead room talking in a monotone bores the fuck out of me, but I can still do it if I really want to connect with someone who doesn't like larger groups or public settings. It's literally growth to be more well rounded. I don't care about being liked. I care about having a mutually supportive social circle, an amazing wife, spe…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 04:32 PM
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It's not a performance. It's growth. You can learn to like it, particularly once you get past inhibition and fear. I don't give a fuck about validation. It's more fun to laugh than not to laugh. And some people just aren't funny, or are shy. So if I'm the confident funny one, and it gets them out of their shells, *I* have a better time. Same with flirting. (In the context of my previous singleness) it introduces a dynamic I find fun. Talking about boring topics is boring. Asking each other gener…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 03:50 PM
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Women don't "reward" you with sex. They have it with you because you signal openness to it, confidence, safety, and are fun and physically attractive to them. All social interactions work this way. People don't just befriend people because their stats are good on paper. Friends choose each other because they enjoy each others' company, can laugh together, etc. The flirting is an added necessity for romantic relationships/sex, because when a guy does it, it signals openness to more than just frie…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 03:37 PM
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Except you're missing my point: It doesn't matter. Society doesn't care. It's socially accepted, you either learn to like it and do it, and increase your odds of getting what you want...or you fight the way that hundreds of millions of people do something and end up bitter and angry, probably alone, or with someone who isn't going to show affection back which will lead to a dead bedroom over time. I know which one I'd choose if I were them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 03:33 PM
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You're blackpilled, no? Isn't that a fundamental tenet of the Blackpill? If it's not your looks, then what is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 03:32 PM
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Okay, well it seems to me you have two choices here: Work really hard at it, embrace the struggle, and gradually get better. Likely (but not guaranteed) get something good out of it, but it won't be easy. Give up. Get nothing. Understand and accept that complaining about it won't change anything. Hope a manic pixie dream girl falls from the sky and is eternally patient with you while showing you the ropes. If I was in your shoes, I know which one I'd choose, and it isn't #2.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 03:05 PM
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The world doesn't care about how they feel about it. It's a social way of doing something, expressing interest, etc. Them demanding friends from "society" without being willing to hang out or socialize in groups because they "hate that" would be met with equal indifference. Flirting is something that most people want in their relationship. Hell, many of the men here constantly complain about dead marriages or dead relationships "like roommates" because their wives/gfs don't touch them, don't try…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 03:03 PM
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Are you disabled, as in non-ambulatory? Are you a burn victim or have a severely disfigured face? Are you extremely underweight or extremely overweight? Since you've met "thousands" of women in your life, were at least 100 of those women single, from your same race, and +/- 5 years of your age? Because if so, then maybe the problem isn't your looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 03:00 PM
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That's a weird take. You meet a gorgeous woman, she already has a boyfriend, but wants to be friends. She probably knows tons of attractive women. You blow her off because she's not interested in you? You meet a woman with a great personality who is single, but you're not interested in her. You blow her off because she's not sexually attractive to you? Sounds like you're just limiting your options.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 02:00 PM
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It doesn't lessen the attraction, but it makes it not at all a priority. Once your shot has been shot, and you've been rejected, the ball is in her court. If the relationship is undefined, and she wants a friendship, it's reasonable to not invest time into a friendship that hasn't been built yet. If the friendship was built already, you played yourself by waiting to long to make your move. The keys (for men) are: #1 not treating a woman you don't know with special treatment. You can have good co…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 01:58 PM
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I have no idea of half of what you just said, but anyone using an avatar to "represent" themselves can be any gender, regardless of what they're "supposed" to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 01:46 PM
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Do you smile at women (with your whole face, not just a forced smirk) while talking to them? Do you get to know them slowly and over time, instead of trying to push the conversation towards a phone number or a date early on? Sometimes socially, people project. Are you sure they're giving nervous, and not just picking up on your own nervous energy and mirroring it back to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 01:45 PM
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Sure it does. The more women you meet, the more dating prospects you will have. Unless you're a celebrity, most women in the world have no idea you even exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 01:43 PM
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Fun factor goes up when you enjoy the activity, even more so when you enjoy the woman you're dating. "Not liking flirting" = "not like the socially accepted way of working towards attaining something" What does the world think of business people in the West who don't like shaking hands, or business people Asia who don't like to bow? What does the world to say to an aspiring account manager who hates concerts, golf, professional sports, and horse racing? How about to someone who wants more friend…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 01:42 PM
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Depends on how the dating phase goes, for many of us. I never cared for stiff, awkward formal dates. Loved casual, lowkey dates where you agree on one laid back, open-ended activity like a walk, a picnic, a specific thing you wanted to see, and then budget lots of time after so if it goes well you can call an audible and extend the date, and you have a few fun things in mind in the area so you can go with what seems to be the best fit. You don't break the bank, gold diggers nope out of those kin…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 01:36 PM
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Yes, talking to attractive women is fun. This can and does happen all the time. Hell, about a year before I met my wife, I had casual with a coworker I'd known for over 18 months before we started spending more time together. Friends first, but always from a place of mutual respect for each other's sexuality (meaning that we both viewed each other as viable partners sexually), and it wasn't uncommon for us to compare notes on our weekends. Also not uncommon for us to banter together, when we wer…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 08:06 AM
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You talk to them and get to know them. You introduce banter early on, then see if they reciprocate. You watch their body language. If their body language suggests interest and they reciprocate flirting, you try some light flirting. You see if she reciprocates. Non-reciprocation means you stop. If you need to stop, you just act apologetic, declare purity of intention, and then go on with your day. Did you read the comments I linked?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 07:57 AM
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It's a social skill, you have to learn it. https://np.reddit.com/r/AskMen/comments/1tpz0yo/comment/oof2eed/?context=3 Older but still descriptive: https://np.reddit.com/r/AskMen/comments/1gpoiex/comment/lwruj8q/?context=3 https://np.reddit.com/r/AskMen/comments/1fxn62c/comment/lqnwaud/?context=3
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 07:50 AM
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I mean you certainly made a lot of assumptions about what I choose to talk about on a date. I have had successful dates before. I’ve also had relationships lol. But just saying dating app culture is fucked up. Girls have put on their jacket after 10 minutes signaling they want to dip, and I was just warming up. And yes, they still wanted me to pay. They have zero patience for a spark to ignite. It needs to be instantaneous. The more I act like an f boy, being flirty and touchy right away, the mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 06:23 AM
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Part of enjoying the vibe is banter and flirting, for most women. If you aren't doing that, that's a major reason a woman who wants that in a relationship would only see you as a potential friend, and not consider you for anything more. That doesn't mean it's the only reason, but it's a pretty big one, and you'll never know your true "options" until you move past that issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 06:12 AM
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Sounds like they just have been running in the same circles as those guys, and those guys aren't making it creepy/awkward/desperate so now they consider them part of their social circle.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 06:10 AM
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I'm good. Never had these issues, and never had to resort on trying to hit on strangers to find dates. I've never had a shortage of women in my life. And therein lies the problem - the dudes who have to resort to hitting on strangers don't have women in their lives, so they are always starting from zero.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 06:09 AM
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This. It's more about timing than his qualities. Theres also a good chance "Pookie" or "Tyrone" have either known her for a while or are long term friends with one of her friends and come pre-vetted. They're not total strangers. If you want better odds of casual, know lots of women. If you don't know any women, then you need to stop being desperate and repelling them, and that means building rapport and even friendships with them, even if you're not into them, because they have friends, and you …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 02:04 AM
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I really think videogames have fucked people up. They really think "do these 10 things, and you're guaranteed a girlfriend" and tgey are really out here looking for "cheat codes" which is why dumb shit like "pickup lines" get such undue focus. Maybe the cure is to make videogames have a real, unpredictable amount of randomness. That no one way of doing things is guaranteed to win. Then maybe these chronic gamers can try applying THAT to life.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 01:59 AM
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If he wasn't desperate, he wouldn't need to resort to hitting on strangers to get a date
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 01:55 AM
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Confident, funny, extroversion capable, a little sarcastic. Introverted enough to have a rich inner life. Natural curiosity about life and new things, openminded in the right areas, someone who is always learning and growing. Kind with a partnership "us against the world" mindset. NOT a pushover though...stands up for herself and calls me out when I need that. Someone with opinions on things that matter to her who defends them, without being someone argumentative who has an opinion on everything…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 01:13 AM
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Let's assume I accept your premise. So then, why can't men who claim to have no dating prospects brave approaching and talking to women IRL - and flirting on dates - without exclusively relying on throwing Hail Marys through online dating, in order to have dating prospects? Seems to me risking "rape, pregnancy, STDs, abuse, trauma, violence, and harrassment" in order to have a sex life is a far bigger risk than risking "hurt feelings and low-self esteem if she rejects me" or "feeling out of my c…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 10:32 PM
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They want to be in a co-ed space where there is potential to meet someone. Most people who go out go back with the people they came with, most of the time. As someone who existed in hookup culture and had a few, they don't happen as often as "struggling men" here seem to think. And that was before Gen Z, who has less casual sex than Millennials. So yeah, that doesn't mean they're going out specifically to hook up. Desperate men could learn something from that attitude and just go drink with thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 10:28 PM
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So you think the only way for women to have fun is for men to be very intentional about using a tactic that makes them want to have sex with them? A "tactic?" You make it sound like some manipulative mind trick. It's called flirting, yes. And it's a widely accepted social skill. Men are generally expected to make the first move in dating. So banter, and see if she reciprocates. If that goes well, flirt and see if she reciprocates. If she doesn't, you're justified in moving on. IMO, I think women…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 10:24 PM
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No idea. Those guys are idiots if they think that. Maybe obese people go out to clubs less because dance is exercise and obese people usually dont exercise but beyond that, theres no truth to the assumption
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 04:40 PM
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They get interest that doesn't last from desperate guys who then go on to complain on Reddit about the standoffish date who "didn't make an effort to get to know him" who they don't go out with again
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 04:10 PM
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No they dont. Women who are dry and nonexpressive, or confrontational, give noninterest or "bitchy" all the time and kill any interest guys could have.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 03:51 PM
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In other news: yes, some less attractive people also like to socialize in groups and dance to loud music on a professional quality sound system while surrounded by cool visusl effects.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 03:50 PM
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You're justified in not wanting to pursue a woman who isn't fun. That isn't the point of this line of discussion though. The point is the guys who can't be fun complaining about "not being given a chance" after they have boring, serious, heavy first dates. If you are fun on the date and she isn't walk away. The job interview date was an automatic nope to a 2nd date for me, no matter what she looked like
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 03:48 PM
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They hate clubs parties and socializing in groups and so theyre trying to "recruit" others to be more like them. They hate the idea that if they meet an attractive woman, she'll likely want to go to a club with him at some point. They project their need for validation onto women. Most women go to the club to dance with their friend or bf, not fish for compliments from random dudes. If you hit it off with a stranger, great, but this is why its super common for girls to hang in groups at clubs. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 02:27 PM
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A man who is not enjoyable to be around is ALSO not a good long term partner for a woman. It's just a hell of a lot easier for them to suss that out early on.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 02:18 PM
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That, and if the sex is good, why be one and done? Even if it's going nowhere, hit an encore until one of you gets a bf or gf.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 05:59 AM
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They want to have fun. Serious job interview style questions aren't fun. Comparing pasts, talking about exes, defining parameters for a relationship that hasn't even launched yet...not fun. Even if you want long term, you have to be able to spend years of your life with this person, sitting on the couch bored, tired, exhausted, going through medical procedures, deaths in families, possibly screaming/crying babies and children, and a whole lot more. If you can't have fun, banter, and flirt with t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 05:57 AM
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Jeez you guys make this way more complicated than it has to be. In order to date, women and men have to be able to have fun together, with attraction present, and lack of social inhibition where both are comfortable signaling interest in socially accepted ways. Men who lead with their wallets are boring and kinda pathetic. Women who have nothing more than chores to offer are one dimensional housemaids. Standards have raised since the times of arranged marriages and parents picking dating prospec…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 05:19 PM
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A mix. Most get their news from multiple sources. Common ones I hear them mentioning are NY Times, CNN, AP, NPR, The Guardian, and Axios. One's been listening to Pod Save America for a while now.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 04:51 AM
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Don't forget he's Muslim, which often (but not always*) goes along with "misogyny, antisemitism" etc. \ = (must qualify, lest I run afoul of Reddit)*
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 04:40 AM
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That means 2/3 aren't. So you're already talking outside the demographic. You are clearly having trouble with reading comprehension. Let's try this again: "Dating" = no kids, not married. "Engaged" = no kids, not married. "Married" = maybe kids, married. That's how these specific young liberal women are classified. As I said, 2 out of the 3 possible classifications of "dating, engaged, or married" are not married, and 3/3 do not have kids. Hell, one of the ones that's married and is an avowed an…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 09:42 PM
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Most young people are unmarried and childless, especially liberal women. "Dating, engaged to, or married" doesn't imply thry have children and only 1/3 are "married". Most young passionately liberal women would just call that bigotry. Nope. But most leftists do! Most young liberal passionate women hate ICE and are trying to dox agents over them deporting and killing nonviolent people. ICE was even harming Americans and tried lying about it. I have yet to meet a young passionately liberal woman t…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 07:24 PM
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No, you're redefining "liberal". I personally know several women who meet all 4 criteria who are dating, engaged to, or married to men who self-define as moderate, or don't self define, who spport gay marriage and are pro choice, but oppose most of the modern DSA platform, want to keep bio men out of women's bathrooms and sports, oppose drag queen story hour/gender unicorn/pronoun pins/transition of minors/transition by schools without parental consent, support deporting illegals who commit crim…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 05:41 PM
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So now you're saying non-leftist liberal women aren't passionate about their politics? Man, you just keep getting further and further from reality. Do you think my wife would've married and had a child with me if I believed, in opposition to the overwhelming majority of liberals and a significant plurality of conservatives, that gay people shouldn't be allowed to legally marry in the eyes of the State? It's leftists that are the ones subjecting everyone to ideoligical purity tests for their unpo…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 04:24 PM
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Except the data doesn't prove that out. Otherwise leftist men (who aren't "conservative") wouldn't be incels at high rates. The entire argument you and OP are making, against the available data, is "LA LA LA those leftist men are secretly nonreligious conservative" which is agenda pushing, not analysis of reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 12:06 AM
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If they’re not voting Democrat, it doesn’t matter. Not a valid argument. Just more binary thinking. If you're not going to engage meaningfully with the debate, then don't bother. You are agenda pushing, not debating. They still go to church. Irrelevant to either their conservatism, their relative success or failure with women, or an overall assessment of their values. If that’s how you feel about liberal women, you can’t date liberal women. You can’t date liberal women who are passionate about t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 02:49 PM
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Of, relating to, supporting, or advocating communism
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 02:32 PM
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That doesn’t work when they vote conservative, especially if they support Trump and/or live in the south. Trump is responsible for overturning Roe v. Wade and its mainly the south that banned abortion. Also, as I said before, there are other social and economic policies that conservatives promote that would make “being a hoe hard”. There are lots of "conservatives" who don't support Trump, and didn't vote for him. There are also lots of "conservatives" who practice pre-marital sex. Not all polit…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 02:31 PM
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By that logic there are tons of "conservative" men who are pro women's equality, aren't anti-abortion, and their "conservatism" is based around support for gun rights and low taxes, keeping women's sports for biological women with two x chromosomes, anti-"gender affirming care" and "drag queen story hour" around the youth, keeping leftist political ideology out of classrooms, anti wealth-redistribution, a desire to meet the threat posed by Red China, and opposition to centralizing control of maj…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 11:11 AM
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Mamdani is not popular. He is a Communist mayor who was elected by a leftist minority in a one-party city where the vast majority don't vote, and where feckless sexual harrasser Andrew Cuomo split the anti-Communist vote by insisting on running after losing his primary despite his own party rebuking him multiple times. His policies are already wreaking havoc on NYC and will likely take a decade or more to fix, especially his complete mismanagement of the city's budget.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 01:15 AM
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That's Islam, not MAGA
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 01:12 AM
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Because this is Reddit, there is always a push to dunk on "conservatives". In reality, political extremism is unpopular on both sides, and incels skew left leaning (this was surveyed). I suspect political extremists do worst of all, which would actually suggest leftist men are more of incels than far right men, but it's kind of splitting hairs at that point. If 15% of incels are far right and 17% are far left, that's really not any kind of flex for the idiots at either extreme trying to "own" th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 01:11 AM
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Because you can bro out in mixed gender spaces too...and usually in all male spaces theres some douche nozzle who'll behave like a total ass either because he's "competing" with the other dudes there (in his own mind, because these are usually friendly hobby spaces), who has a dumbass temper he can't control...and then he'll crash out or rage in the "safety" of an all male group thinking the other guys wont say shit, when he'd never do that in a mixed space because even the women would think he'…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 01:04 AM
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Most average women aren't "progressive." "Progressive" is usually just a leftist rebrand of leftist political ideology - ideas that are generally so unpopular that less than 10% of people support them (which is similar to the rate of alt-right people in this country, generally). Leftists are hypocrites - they support ideologies (like Piker does) like socialism, but if you put them in charge of the redistribution, they'll pay themselves the most. The double standards of their ideology are common,…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:31 PM
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We share expenses and contribute to things jointly (and buy each other things) all the time, but generally have separate finances, and this is a big reason why. However, neither of us would ever change our appearance without running it by the other since we both like each other as we are, and changing that affects both of us. If she wanted Botox down the road, I'd be open to it if it's completely safe and the dosing is reasonable to avoid "Botox face", she does her own nails, and we usually talk…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 10:00 PM
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Most adults are not accepting of weakness in other adults. I mean, how would you feel if a woman claimed that she had major daddy issues, she needed the validation of other men, and if you didn't let her peg you (even though you don't want to be pegged) you couldn't possibly really love her? Or that she had to go out with her band of single friends, had to dress promiscuously to fit in, and that she would let guys buy her drinks on those nights out because she needed to feel validated, even if y…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 09:53 PM
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It's not about not displaying "a chink in the armor." It's about not showing that the armor is fake. It's the difference between "my mother was a narcissistic manipulator growing up, and that's why I have to have healthy boundaries with her as an adult...and here are several specific things she did and how they affected me and my Dad, as well as what those boundaries are, and the traps I tend to fall into when dealing with her" vs. "my mother is a narcissistic manipulator who never loved me prop…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 09:46 PM
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If he is working more hours to pay for their combined lifestyle and taking on her expenses, then yes he is contributing labor to the household. If he was a single man, she were a single women, and they had shared custody of their child, he would not be paying for her food, her electricity use, her utilities, her clothing, or her incidentals. He would only pay his own and that of their child when their child is in his custody, and the two of them would split any educational or daycare costs 50/50…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 05:32 PM
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Not if he's making "the bulk of the money." Majority of households are two-earner. It's still a traditional arrangement if the income is 80/20 and the household labor is 20/80 and follows conventional gender norms...and it's not inherently unfair because what's unbalanced in one is unbalanced fairly and opposite in the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 04:30 PM
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The "angle" here is that it's valid to refuse to date people for incompatible cultures, and it's not "racist" as Reddit often seems to suggest. Would you date a Muslim man whose family expected you to change your religion to Islam, wear hijab, keep birthing babies until he had a son, name that son Mohammed because it runs in the family, and raise any of your daughters to wear hijab? That's an incompatibility. It's not "racist" to optimize your dating preferences to avoid that. It's only racist i…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 04:27 PM
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Multiculturalism is literally "many cultures" not many races. He also referenced age, which is part of that. When I was in my 20s and living in a city, massive difference in socialization between living in buildings full of young 20s professionals, and living in buildings full of Boomers. That's one of the reasons so many young people were willing to overpay on rents in the trendy areas - to be around that young, doing things all the time vibe, which is also a form of culture. Race really wasn't…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 04:11 PM
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a person who grew up in Nashville; a person who grew up Salt Lake City; and a person who grew up in Fairbanks, AK would all have the same culture. Right? Not necessarily. With some immigrants in particular, the ancestral culture is very important, as well as the subculture. A Mormon from Salt Lake City and a Mormon from Fairbanks, AK are more likely to have the same culture than a Mormon from Salt Lake City, and an atheist from Salt Lake City, or a first generation Muslim-American in Nashville v…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 03:48 PM
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Easy. She works part time, the man makes the bulk of the money and does the handy work, while she does the cooking, cleaning, and childcare. Happens a lot in the hood, as one example.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 02:56 PM
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No, culture matters. Dating people from other cultures often comes with expectations that you, as your partner's partner, will conform to those cultural norms. Your partner will often face familial ostracizing if she does not go along with those cultural expectations. So if you grow up as a "White guy in big cities" with Western values, and you want to date someone from a different culture, your partner is either going to have to be willing to stand up to their family, have a family that's much …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 01:52 PM
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Considering a good deal of socializing can flow from studying in school, that actually makes things easier. Far easier to become friends with someone when you're already talking to work on a group project or get the homework done, than with someone you're not. And it's MUCH harder to keep in touch with friends going to other schools because that takes a lot more work when you no longer know the same people or have the same topics of conversations from being in the same place. A lot of kids aren'…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 01:48 PM
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Cities are much less friendly in general. Where community exists in a city, it tends to be much more spread out, which adds significantly to geographic distance. I have multiple neighbors I like within 5 minutes of me in the suburbs, out of maybe a dozen houses. In the city, I've lived in 80 unit apartment buildings for multiple years and had no friends because there are a ton of people in the city who never socialize in the building, vastly different stages of life, and no activities to bring p…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 01:44 PM
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I think there's a happy middle of suburban neighborhoods with large enough school districts that there is plenty of people to associate with, but not so many as a city...while not inviting in the crime elements that plague most major cities and cause kids to be more sheltered. Plus the density of most urban environments is prohibitive to socializing, when very few spaces or open for pure socialization, and when social activities are overwhelmingly monetized. It's common in my suburban community …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 01:42 PM
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The mistake that most of the specific men who have trouble with this specific issue make, is not understanding the difference between being vulnerable, and being weak. Vulnerability is temporary, encased in a shell of competence, where the competence is real, and the vulnerability is either a healed trauma or an ongoing battle with a clear plan of management, even if it's not always perfect. Weakness is revealing that the outward appearance of competence is actually a facade, and that the weakne…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 09:20 AM
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Not closed forever, just much, much harder 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 08:55 AM
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IMO urbanization exacerbates all of that. There is more space to socialize in suburbs...space that doesn't require monetization to access. Plus crime is more of a risk in cities, which contributes to overparenting. Tons of free suburban festivals and concerts up this way (not a city), and it's super common for parents to drop off kids, let them hang out for a few hours with their friends, and say meet back at the car after. Plus unsupervized time with their friends at each other's houses which c…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 07:43 AM
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Ah, yes...the classic "every incel is just a level 3 autistic weirdo so women should pity fuck him" argument again. Really? Do better. Majority of incels are perfectly normal looking, not autistic AF, and if they'd shut off social media ragebait and their video games and other addiction-adjacent habits that suck up all their free time and nerve endings, they might actually have a shot at socializing because they don't have some debilitating disability.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 02:13 PM
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Both. I care that they're good at things I esteem, even if I myself am not good at those things. I have a great ear for music but I can't really play, I appreciate musical skill (and really all classic artistic ability). I'm a hockey player who's not very good at basketball, who was born with tight hamstrings, and can't do a lot of gymnastics adjacent stuff...nonetheless I value all forms of athleticism, so I'd still be impressed by athletic ability. OTOH I give exactly zero fucks about competit…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 02:11 PM
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Some people have developmental disabilities that limit their ability and speed of growth in certain fields. It's not always a matter of choice. There are late bloomers, socializing is not easy-peasy past education. The majority of incels do not. This is a strawman. We are not talking about people with legit genetic/birth defects and major disabilities. We are talking about the average socially stunted chud who complains about "struggling". They likely knew they were struggling in middle school, …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 08:36 PM
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It does not take months and months to realize there might be something more there, and to actually make a move. If a guy is having that problem, sounds like a skill/confidence issue. You're usually still "getting to know" people for several months after you first meet them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 08:32 PM
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100% this. Stop "confessing"...just say you're enjoying getting to know her and open to seeing if there's something more there, and that she doesn't need to decide right away. Make it fun and exploratory not serious and pressured.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 05:46 PM
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Biggest thing that helped me when I was a clueless teen: STOP TRYING to "get" a woman. I did this intuitively at times when I was younger...middle school, I never really tried to "get" anyone (wasn't really attracted to most of the girls in my school, until like 8th grade when I got interested in a couple), and when I was attracted, I'd just spend time around them, tease them, joke around a lot...it worked well. I put my best foot forward, bantered, flirted, and girls liked me. In high school, I…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 03:43 AM
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It used to be about understanding attraction so that AFCs who wanted hookups could learn how to socialize in the spaces hookups happened, or AFCs who wanted relationships to understand why being nice and offering to help women they wanted to date with errands and homework and spending hours on the phone as her listening ear bestie when they first met wasn't ever gonna get her attracted to him, particularly if his self-esteem was low and he never bantered or flirted, and only came clean with his …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 03:08 PM
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I don't have much idea about specifics of video game culture as I simply do not GAF but there is strong evidence to suggest that many Vtuber "women" are actually men appealing to other men by using an avatar. And to suggest that the ones that are women are just doing it to take advantage of desperate paypig types, which is why they go to such great lengths to hide their identity. Most women aren't doing any of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:14 PM
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Yes, because pretty sure they knew they were missing the boat in their teens and 20s and they still chose to not fix it. I mean, what would the world say to a 45 year old who had never played sports AT ALL who decided he wanted to become a high school college or pro athlete at 45?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:12 PM
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Well said.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 04:11 AM
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The wild thing about the "bad boy" narrative is how much it's pushed by socially stunted weirdos: Has a social life where he jokes around occasionally about doing something well, even if it's ironically = "he's cocky" Has no problem introducing himself or talking to women = "he's a player" Flirts with women, smiles and laughs with them, touches them with consent = "he's pushy and manipulative" Despite treating his friends and women well, he's curt or terse with the inhibited weirdos when he meet…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 02:43 PM
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So, logically, from that it follows that women should be the ones choosing and approaching the man. If the choice of the man is so important to get right, shouldn't they take a more active approach? No, because some men will take anything without genuine interest in her because sex is harder for them to obtain so when handed a golden opportunity, they'll take it even if they're not enthused about it. And extremely passive men often make poor partners. They don't go out and form friendships, they…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 02:34 PM
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This is the crux of most struggling guys' confidence issues on here. A rejection isn't a referendum on your sexuality. Onto the next one. Similarly, when they view dating as some moral competition where women should do no wrong and ought to choose only the most virtuous suitors, they also come to see rejections as moral failings, and it becomes self-soothing to view her rejections of others in a similar light so that, having "not tried" he hasn't been rejected in that way and can self-soothe wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 02:15 PM
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Good women bring: beauty, energy, flirtatiousness, good company, diverse perspectives, exposure to new interests/hobbies, social networks, contributions to combined income, contributions to the household, economies of scale, a teammate to work towards common goals with, the ability to gestate life when coupled with a man, friendship, and great sex. Not all women offer each of these though. 2) what do you wish women start to bring to the table I wish that the women who offered less than the full …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 10:09 PM
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Why does one side get to sit back, do zero initiation, filter through a pile of options they didn't work for, and still get framed as the selective ones? And the side doing all the approaching, all the risk taking, all the emotional labor of rejection after rejection is told that if they're struggling it's a them problem? Because biologically there are higher costs to women of reproduction with the wrong man. Because socially, men are less selective with female partners than women are with male …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 09:55 PM
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Nobody shows up to a first date and says "Hello what are you looking for?" Nowhere did I say that. You are just making shit up at this point. Everything you describe reeks of someone who only meets total strangers online for dates, anyway. A woman who shows up to a date like it's a job interview and she's in the interviewer role can ask him her questions. The guy might play it off polite and answer them, but he will not call her back or ask for a 2nd date in this situation if what he wants is so…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 09:48 PM
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The good news is that you've acknowledged the pattern, and that's the first step towards consciously moving past that sort of outlook...even though it will undoubtedly take work.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 08:09 PM
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If you're going to continue to make up strawmen and misrepresent my arguments, I'm not going to bother continuing. The fact you have to misrepresent what I'm saying to make your "counterpoints" is telling. Literally nobody does what you said on dates. It's weird. Only autistics seem to think it's normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 08:05 PM
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I'm out of the game. I'm not trying to coerce anyone into anything. NOTHING I said has ANYTHING to do with whether or not two people have sex. It has to do with how the relationship progresses and what the general dynamic between two people is. People like you are so broken by your purity culture mindset of sex that all you hear when I say "get to know each other" is "he expects her to fuck" which is NEVER a thing I said. Men are people. We are not unemployed pieces of shit begging for an "audit…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:20 PM
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It really is something else. OP, effectively: "They should be like incels" ☑️Incels don't have male friends, because other men can't stand their whining, doomerism, and constant need to either put down other men, pedestalize celebrity or criminal men, or complain about not being able to get a woman. ☑️Incels don't have female friends, for obvious reasons. ☑️Incels often hate kids and don't actually want anything to do with them. ☑️Incels hate pets because they consider them inanimate objects tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:09 PM
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Not RP so answering under automod: One thing I've never understood is this: if you believe average men are being excluded from dating because a small number of high-status men get all the women, why don't Red Pill influencers spend more time asking why so many of their followers aren't attracted to women who are also routinely excluded from conventional dating standards? Because RP believes that attraction isn't negotiable. It's not something you can pivot towards people you aren't attracted to,…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:57 PM
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IMO most "struggles" guys have boil down to one of a few categories: -Extremely unattractive. Can be fixed through gym, grooming, and personal style to at least get to a benchmark of average (unless they have genetic/birth defects/severe disability). The goal is to get to a healthy weight and reasonable strength, not to become a body builder. -Don't meet enough women. Fixed through building and maintaining a social circle, getting out of the house more, diversifying hobbies away from predominant…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:37 PM
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No one is "auditioning" on a date. That entire approach is repulsive AF. Automatic nope. And I'm not the only one who would say that. Only the desperate would stick around for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:30 PM
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That's an extremely neuroduvergent or religious approach to dating and A LOT of good men who are not dating religiously will walk away from that. There is a reason that women who date that way often end up with liars and manipulators...because those are the types of guys who will go along with that approach. I am married over a decade to my attractive, fun, best friend... have always treated my exes before her well, and only had casual fun outside of expectations for a relationship and never by …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 01:41 PM
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Most 18-21 year old women don't have boob jobs and lip filler. And most men aren't chasing plastics. A lot of guys go for the girl next door who uses makeup subtly but still looks hot AF without it. And she doesn't need to post thirst traps to look amazing. She just needs to have a fun, flirty energy about her and dress in ways that highlight the best parts of her physique, and guys will all fawn over her. "Hotness" may correlate with fame for women, but there are tons of gorgeous women who neve…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 11:01 PM
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I would like to live in a world that acknowledges the reality and permanence of biological sex, and lets people pursue whatever interests and "roles" (within reason) they want without gendering behaviors, while providing equivalent opportunities in each arena to both men and women. Because Tomboys are still women and girls at the end of the day. Such a world would still have to acknowledge that certain traits stemming from sexual dimorphism predispose one biological sex to be better at some thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 10:50 PM
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Some men are obsessed with validation from other men, usually because they have very rigid hierarchical views of human interactions, and are dead set on being validated in a strong position in that hierarchy. Usually these guys are tryhards, however, and rarely have actual power. So much of their behavior comes off as posturing. Picture every low-level middle manager who bullies the people who work for him (women can fall into these traps too, in hierarchical structures), but immediately softens…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 10:48 PM
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That's not an early relationship question though. Attraction was a prerequisite for a first date. Enjoying her company and the sexual/romantic energy was a prerequisite to be exclusive. Trusting her was a prerequisite for sex. Being able to spend long periods of time together in mutual enjoyment, and having similar values around home life, was a prerequisite to living together. Wanting the same things out of life, compatible enough families and values, and believing we had a reasonable plan to g…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 09:59 PM
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Except that's not how most people work. I was looking for a wife "someday." That would evolve over time after spending time with a woman. It's not something I say up front, because the reality is I wasn't looking for "a wife" I was looking to get to know a woman and deepen that relationship gradually, and I would consider marriage only after several other things had been met. Saying "I want a wife" early on implies, "I want you to be my wife" at a point when I hadn't made that determination. Mos…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:53 PM
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100% this. Idiots come in all genders and ages, and I don't want to tie my fortunes to their decisions or whims. Judge everyone as an individual and react accordingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:33 PM
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I'm disagreeing that #2 maturity = AF/BB. Those are 2 separate things. I also don't think these ideas are borne of putting women on a pedestal necessarily, more the mental gymnastics of undesirables in trying to explain away their undesirability and reframe it as a different paradigm that "should" exist that would result in women choosing them because the default paradigm "rewards" attractive and fun men with women's attention more than asocial loners.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:23 PM
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Can we use HGTV as a realistic barometer for the housing market? "I'm a kindergarten teacher, and my wife sells homemade friendship bracelets on Etsy." (dramatic pause) "The budget is 4.6 million." ???
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:19 PM
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"ER" also taught me that the most dangerous part of being a surgeon is...helicopters. So, yeah, ladies. That's (the only reason) why I never became a doctor. I mean, have you seen Black Hawk Down? No thanks. also /s
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:18 PM
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They are for some reason venomous when women are not mind readers and have bad experience with men. They bitterly say that women supposed to have intuition and x-ray vision to see who is good who is bad. The other option is that we're all liars who promised good prizes women but in reality it's damaged goods. It's impossible to make a point that this "intuition" it's just emotional intelligence with pattern recognition, that women need experience, but still they are not completely brind. The men…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:13 PM
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I don't have firsthand experience of Western culture, but there is an entire industry built around it, from pickup artists to shows like Friends, How I Met Your Mother, and Sex and the City, all of which either portray or comment on this dating culture. ...You do realize that all of those shows are supposed to be comedies, right? The irony is that most struggling types will focus on all the comedy while ignoring the fact that Ted comes off weird and creepy in HIMYM all the time, and that Barney'…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 01:45 PM
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This. For most of us, we agree to date because we like each other, and want to see where things go. I cannot for the life of me imagine trying to agree on the end point, then agreeing to date someone solely because we have common aims. That doesn't mean we're compatible, won't guarantee we like each other, and it's skipping several steps in the relationship to declare that the end. Most of us like/liked (in my case, since I'm out of the game now) to take things one step at a time.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:21 AM
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And how many people know this? More importantly how much women are applying this more compared to men? I'd say a fair amount. Women do tend to drive more "practical" cars than guys, on average, however. <image> That's what hobbies are for, you don't do hobbies to be productive (that's what jobs are for) A hobby is not supposed to replace core aspects of a functional human experience like socialization.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:41 PM
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This is Reddit. Everything needs a definition sourced by at least 3 peer reviewed studies that have colons in the title and a minimum of one (1) random Youtube video to prove that the conclusions are relatable in a pop-culture adjacent way.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:36 PM
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A leased car is the worst decision since you own nothing at the end of it, which is why dealers promote leases...they sell you 60% of a car, get a whole car back in 3 years, and then turn around and sell the whole car "used" at 2/3 of original value financed at favorable terms with the interest rate marked up to a buyer. Seeing as fewer women tend to live at home than men at, say, 24 years old, and more women are getting college educations these days (and student loans factor into "debt") - both…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 07:22 PM
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Nowhere did I say any of this applies to me. Reading comprehension is not most Redditors strong suits, clearly. I've been having enjoyable sex with women for a long time, and have never had issues with not being able to "last." My wife was the one I wanted to build a life with. I don't know why you can't take a comment about the OP's personal circumstance and not attempt to make it into some sort of personal statement (people can discuss issues without needing firsthand experience with that spec…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 04:22 PM
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Not necessarily in my experience. The women usually have cars, can get around, have jobs, own equipment (I play hockey). Some of the younger guys have to borrow equipment, need rides, and don't really have jobs, and some game a lot in their spare time. The women don't really play video games and have a stated preference to not date gamers because of everything that comes along with that. The women are also generally much more knowledgeable about life and how things work. Everything from credit, …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 03:54 PM
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Actually the best method of creating offspring is mutual climax. The vagina becomes more receptive to sperm with orgasm. If you're going to make this argument, you need to make it correctly. Some guy spurting because he can't contain himself in a barely expanded vagina isn't "optimal procreation." Besides, unless you're a religious fundy, sex is also for pleasure.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:24 PM
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Outercourse is non penetrative. Fingering is penetrative. Do I seriously have to explain this to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:22 PM
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Literally just fingering her well, bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 12:56 PM
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IDK, usually it's easy to make a woman cum first...especially with great foreplay. Them being able to have multiple orgasms usually solves being premature if my fingers do the job before my dick even goes in. Unless you're literally cumming from foreplay? Save for a couple times when I was young, my partner always cums first. And then we go again. If I came first, I finish the job with my hands or we wait maybe 20 mins and go again. Opposite situation: a woman was sore, so we stopped before I ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:06 AM
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Your orgasm is your responsibility but your consenting partner is obligated to help. "Inability to perform" = your problem if its your problem, their problem if its their problem. "Premature" = you are reasonably obligated to help your partner reach theirs, and if you don't make a serious attempt with an appropriate skill, you're a bad lover. The best sex follows a simple rule: we are not done until we are both done. Anyone who can't do that whether it's selfishness or their own performance issu…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 08:11 AM
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Good men's value has not decreased. Good men remain in strong demand and dating has never been easier in that respect FOR THEM. The problem is largely threefold, because there are fewer of "them" these days due to: 1-"Masculinity" influencers continue to peddle unrealistic, stereotypical versions of masculinity as THE ONE AND ONLY WAY TO ACQUIRE A WOMAN, which imbues inexperienced and struggling men with inferiority complexes which are woman-repellent, AND causes them to either give up or waste …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 07:44 AM
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"Free play" doesn't happen with parents controlling everything. Children in daycare learn how to form their own friendships, see the same kids, navigate social dynamics, deal with social consequences, and recover from mistakes in situations where other kids owe them nothing. They don't get that playing with their parents or with family friends who they are forced to socialize with on terms dictated by parents. "Education" is multifactorial and not just lessons. Proprioceptive input from games, e…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 10:44 AM
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"Oh well, her loss" -Should be your mindset.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 04:00 AM
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It's slso good for kids' social development, esp in a world where tons of parents don't even have friends with kids for their kids to play with.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 12:48 PM
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He wants a servant to replace Mommy so he can move into his gf's basement
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 12:34 PM
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Other kids' parties are important bc that's your kid's life and social circle. Both parents should be invested in it because they want their kid to grow up socially skilled and, especially if they have a son, not turn into an incel chud who expects women to manage his social calendar because Mommy did it growing up. Eventually you hand that off to your kid when they become a teen while still offering support if they get in over their head and screening the parties for reasonableness so your kid …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 12:26 PM
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Women select off a mix of ATTRACTION and PERSONALITY, and - for long term - DESIRED LIFESTYLE and FEASIBILITY OF GETTING IT TOGETHER. Where "nice guys" loudly and incessantly get it wrong is thinking "personality" = "people pleasing niceness and simping" and "verbally stated willingness to do chores or work super duper extra hard to 'provide'" where it really just means be fun to be around and flirty with her. NOTHING matters if you are boring or an insecure bundle of nerves; you are undateable …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 12:20 PM
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The short answer is because losers are gonna loser, and winners are gonna adapt and overcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 08:15 PM
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Women who behave like this on dates ALSO repel good men. There's a reason the "job interview" date is a hated trope. Leaving only desperate men who will partake in her "interview process" and causing the femcel "there are no good men" narrative when her approach screens out the good ones. The only difference is there are fewer desperate women than desperate men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 03:29 PM
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Also a lot of millenials have single friends they still go out with, including women, so we know what's up. Some people do and some people don't. And some of us still get interest when we go out even if we don't act on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 09:20 PM
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Humans have evolved out of cavemen and hunter gatherer days. Women are not looking for "big strong man to subdue wild boars and big tall men to pick high berries." They are looking for someone they enjoy looking at, enjoy spending time with, who wants the same things out of a relationship and lifestyle that they do, and has a reasonable path to get it. There is scientifically much more data that shows greater "variability" in men to obtain those things - hence higher rates of homelessness and ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 05:17 PM
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Your argument is that there is more variability in men than in women. And while that may be true from a data point, the point isn't the data, but what men who find themselves as outliers do with the data. My comment is regarding what men do with this analysis, not about the analysis itself. Analysis without action is ultimately academic drudgery.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 05:05 PM
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That is sexual socialism and inhibits freedom. People will never go for it en masse for the same reasons they oppose it economically. Hence it requires force to implement, hence such threats will always be perceived as violent, and people will fight to the death to avoid such a "system." Fuck socialism.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 05:03 PM
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The problem with analyzing "data" is that women are humans with individual preferences. Lonely guys attempt to appeal to everyone, and accordingly appeal to no one, because "everyone" is not a real person. And the attributes that have some correlation with "everyone" - like being capable of a certain lifestyle - will get him targeted by gold diggers because "resource," in the absence of anything else, will ONLY attract gold diggers. The other things that would help him - such as improving his lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 05:00 PM
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The way that incels and extreme pill poppers here talk should be proof positive of that. Scorekeeping spending and activities during dates. Making demands. Whining jealously about her exes after questioning her incessantly to "screen" her. Do you think most normal people think those are fun activities? Normal guys go out, don't really give a shit about $30 on food on a night out because they'd probably spend just as much hanging with their buddies if they didn't have a date, try to have a good t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 04:54 PM
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You honestly don't even need to say all that to refute the OP's silly point. The simplest counterpoint is there are plenty of awkward weirdos who are into gaming and anime to the exclusion of all else who manage to convince a woman to go out with them when she's young and inexperienced, have a relationship that lasts a few months, until she gets tired of his shtick and then they break up. That guy then goes on to struggle to date mightily, often for many years. Tons of Reddit posts in the dating…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 04:48 PM
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It has nothing to do with lack of experience, otherwise, attractive/socially competent sixth and seventh graders would struggle mightily to be wanted by the girls in their class...but we know that isn't the case since little girls develop crushes, date boys, etc. This is yet another "give undesirable guys a chance please" post that somehow claims that guys who - not just some women - but most women overlook, are some hidden gem just because they self define as "nice." The baseline attraction com…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 04:43 PM
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It's not that women can't love, it's that women can't love them, so they assume their experiences are universal. All this when they can't manage the baseline behavior they erroneously assume is the exclusive domain of "Chads" of being openminded, fun, positive, and enjoyable to be around.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 03:44 PM
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Most people's politics can't easily be boiled down into "conservative" and "liberal" and those who make politics their whole identity while attempting to do so often repel people from their lives, and end up in bad partnerships because someone's national politics tell very little about how they'd actually behave in a relationship or how they treat partners. There are a lot of "politically left" people with some very backwards attitudes that leftists would call "conservatives" (including leftists…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:16 PM
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Most young PEOPLE are more "progressive" but become more conservative as they age. Political preferences and "hot button" issues often have little relevance in most people's day to day lives, and most people grow up and eventually realize that 1)making politics your whole personality annoys the fuck out of people and will leave you alone or surrounded only by those who also behave in cult-like ways about politics. 2)the system (in the West) may not be perfect but you can do quite well for yourse…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:56 PM
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Friendships can cure general loneliness...but if someone envisions having a family, that's never going to approximate it. The problem is that people who lack both often attempt to find the second without having the first, which makes them undesirable (and severely limits their ability to find a partner)...and also puts undue pressure on anyone willing to consider them as a partner because they often tend to realize once they get a romantic partner that they also need friends, and then they tend …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:49 PM
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While I disagree with the OP's premise, I also disagree with your framing of her unwillingness to do sexual things with him. As someone who's been in relationships, had hookups, and is now married to an amazing woman for the past decade, I can say that unequivocally, a fun, healthy sex life was absolutely a huge part of that. Openmindedness and being willing to try things was a huge part of that. Viewing sex as all four of: pleasure, a way to get away from stress of the rest of life with someone…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 02:27 PM
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So then you explain how that's shitty, and they either stop bringing it up or you break up w them. If they're not getting it, and youve had wild experiences of your own, you could start doing it to them to try and make them understand how it feels, but the relationship sounds like it's dying anyway so I wouldn't expect them to have a lightbulb moment and suddenly stop. Granted, this is also something I've only read about online and has happened in exactly 0 scenarios I or my friends have been in…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 02:06 PM
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This mindset is depressing and explains why people who struggle to have sex have such trouble getting others to want sex when this is how they view it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 02:05 PM
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Also different people have different dynamics. The person neurotically questioning her and comparing himself to his perception of the ghosts of her exes inherently gives off less sexy energy than the guy who has fun and flirts with her, even teases her sexually (this is a touch based non verbal thing) and leaves her wanting more each time...while behaving openmindedly and nonjudgmentally, giving her room to both feel attraction and let go of any hangups. Very different energy in those dynamics.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 01:34 PM
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You (also a random Redditor): "I'm just playing devil's advocate, hurr durr, I'm so edgy, but I don't actually have anything to contribute to the conversation, I just think this guy's a dick because he doesn't beat around the bush with this stuff, and I don't actually have anything to contribute to the conversation" I don't give a fuck if he doesn't listen to me at the end of the day. I'm trying to help him see the fallacy in his thinking. You just want to enable him. If he doesn't want to liste…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 02:00 PM
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If he "can" and chooses not to, then there are only two possible explanations: 1-he lied about being able to, and he can't 2-he's not interested Do you lie awake in bed and wait for your dream job to call you out of the blue? Jesus, you people are so angry. Yet none of that ever spurs you to do anything but COMPLAIN
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 12:52 PM
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"My best guy friend in high school and college who always had a gf and never went more than a year without having women interested" "My Dad who was a role model of healthy masculinity, didn't struggle with women, and somehow got my Mom and the two of them were great together" "My sister, cousin, or best friend who was the best wingwoman I ever had and helped me immensely with tangible results as I branched out and started dating/meeting/attracting women" All of those would've been acceptable. Yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 12:50 PM
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Omg yeah, you're totally right. He should value the opinions of bitter incels instead! That'll get him where he wants to be for sure! /s
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 12:45 PM
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And there it is, the fragile insecurity...the desire to put down another man who's explaining it to you, to feel better about yourself and soothe that nagging rage and insecurity. Guess what? That urge? That's why you didn't grow and learn like your peers. Because instead of watching your peers who got girlfriends, and picking their brains or befriending them...you got angry at them. Blamed their success and your failures on parenting, friends, women...everything but taking accountability and re…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 02:11 AM
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Children don't learn everything from adults. They learn by trying and doing and failing and getting back up again and succeeding. Only a coward sits around waiting to be told how to live life...which is why most children figure this stuff out without relying on parents and teachers to explain to them how to get laid as an adult.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:53 AM
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Flirting with a woman and being charismatic doesn't make a guy a piece of shit. This is something that every "nice guy" fundamentally doesn't understand. They just assume everyone is as inhibited and neurotic as he is, and when they see someone who isn't, he must be a "pushy asshole" because he's being more forward.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 10:26 PM
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What I'm suggesting is literally how children grow. Mollycoddling them doesn't work. The fact that you're making the very point you're making to me is proof positive of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 10:24 PM
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Bro why are you being such an asshole right now? Its really weird behavior It's not "being an asshole" to call out the fallacies in your logic. Is your goal to move past childish thought patterns or to perpetuate them? Ok go tell that to the educators and "teach boys not to rape" activists. I don't need to tell them, and I don't write the curriculum. But there are tons of examples of this in life. A "trusted" coach, teacher, imam, priest, moderator of an extracurricular activity tells a young bo…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 10:21 PM
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Yes I agree. You need to tell this to the sex educators that are teaching that flirting is sexual harassment Sex education exists to inform people about things like STD risk, pregnancy risk, and biological processes. It is not a "how to pick up women" class and should be viewed through that lens. No but would you be stupid if you listened to the advice of the trusted adults in your life? Depends. I grew up playing baseball and hockey. My parents had no knowledge of hockey whatsoever, my Dad peak…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:57 PM
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Is that what you observed other people doing? How many rom-coms did you watch where the man says, "I'd like to kiss you" and the woman says, "Okay, you can kiss me." ? How many guys got girlfriends by doing this? Where is the evidence supporting this? Or did you blindly accept it because a "teacher" told you? That sort of uncritical acceptance is what I'm talking about. What happens when a guy approaches you in the street and tells you he wants to sell you a series of supplements that will compl…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:54 PM
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I hear what you’re saying and of course I speed and jay walk but that doesn’t feel like I’m hurting anyone. Good, finally got you to acknowledge there's a line where nobody is getting hurt. And to acknowledge that line is not always at the line between "the rules say you can" and "the rules say you shouldn't." Great. Step 2: Figure out where that line actually is. if you have been told that it’s 100% not okay to touch a woman without her explicit consent It is not okay to touch a woman without c…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:48 PM
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Even if those women were friends, the validation of friends is still not necessary though. Especially because you are already receiving feedback from the women you're actually talking to in that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:44 PM
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In reality, your competition in nightlife venues is often greater than on the apps. The guys getting even mild success going out are often taller, confident, socially experienced, and they're usually chasing the exact same goal with their friends: trying to hook up with hot chicks (or even ugly ifnthey grt desperate enough). Ive seen lately an influx of lower tier guys getting plastered and then spamming women with approaches at the bar thoughout the night too. Nightlife is naturally competitive…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:39 PM
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There is a giant difference between "don't flirt with women" and "don't rape women." Teachers also give tons of dogshit advice. I hate math. A 9th grade teacher put me in Advanced Math where I struggled so much I dropped back to regular math. A college academic adviser wanted me to take calculus/analytical geometry instead of regular calculus, and that very nearly conspired with sociology to torpedo my scholarship. Should I have continued to take math classes, rather than majoring in a business …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:29 PM
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There are "no pants subway rides" in multiple major cities every year where nobody gets arrested. "Well technically jaywalking is illegal" - okay, and so is going 56 in a 55. But who the fuck cares? The most real punishment for jaywalking is risking getting hit by a car, not worrying about some cop with nothing better to do giving you a ticket at 2AM when the roads are empty. There is a reason people who completely avoid all risks, and are "goody two shoes" are seen is dull, nervous, neurotic, s…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:25 PM
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Women in my life Do you always listen to random people though? This is people pleasing behavior, which is why it comes off spineless. Who gives a fuck what those people think? They are not dating you, you are not using that line on them, so what they think is irrelevant. I’ve shared this story already but I was once criticized harshly by a group of female friends for using this pick up line “do I know you from somewhere” as if it is some crass inappropriate line. I mean it's really more cringe t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:23 PM
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By who?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:08 PM
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That makes you sound boring and lame though. Do you not jaywalk in the middle of the night at an intersection when there are no cars for miles? Do you always do under the speed limit, no matter what? Have you never ever run a red light, and never entered an intersection before the light turns yellow? When you're late at the airport, do you calmly walk to the gate and miss your flight because a sign in the airport says "No Running?" Do you chastise others who engage in these completely normal and…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:08 PM
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I was 100% discouraged from doing certain normal courtship behaviors. BY WHO???
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:05 PM
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Cool, now do flirting and banter. Because the lengths to which I've seen so-called "intelligent" Redditors proudly bloviate about not knowing how to flirt while complaining that it's some sort of secret language normies and dumb people use to fuck, is off the charts.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:04 PM
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Being a goody two shoes is boring and not a good thing. It's someone who's not curious, not interesting, often doesn't take initiative, doesn't stand up for himself/herself, constantly tries to please others, overly cautious, and lacks any identity other than following someone else's rules. And it's usually someone who's a total fucking doormat.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:29 PM
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To tell boys that it’s basically never okay to express romantic or sexual desire NOBODY is telling them this. There is nothing wrong with expressing interest, talking to pretty women, being fun, dancing at a club, being silly in public, singing karaoke, telling jokes, pulling a woman who seems to vibing with you aside from the group and talking to her 1 on 1, etc. Society tells them that it's not okay to sperg out random horny musings at women, because that's fucking cringe. All of the other ind…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:26 PM
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100% this. I like using baseball as an analogy for this a lot of times. You got some dumb motherfuckers that can mash holy hell out of a baseball who literally go up there and think "see ball, hit ball". And you've got some smart guys who go on to become MLB executives, architects of teams, who go up there and overthink themselves into knots until they're taking called strike 3 down the middle because they've calculated that 41% of his 0-2 pitches are curveballs in the dirt, and with arm-side ru…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:22 PM
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And yet ironically the kids who raise themselves because they have an overworking single parent and thus get raised by pop culture...seem to do a better job at this than the kids who have two strict parents who care very much about them but have no clue how to teach their kid to be, for lack of a better term, not a total nerd when it comes to social skills. The solution is taking agency over one's own upbringing and results and not outsourcing that to parents or anyone else. At the end of the da…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:13 PM
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Have you ever had sex with a virgin? It can be fucking awkward. You might have to constantly reassure them. Everything might have to be super gentle. Sometimes they think they want it, and then they don't, or they aren't sure and they have to stop and figure it out again, or you have to resettle them and make them comfortable and "try again" because she panics, tells you to wait, so you stop, and then it's "no I really do want this, please continue". It's like fits and starts sometimes. Especial…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:50 AM
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#1 needs to adjust for age factors. When comparing people with no degree (which can easily include high schoolers) to people with post doctorate degrees who in some cases are more than 25 and looking at their most recent year, there are social differences in that age. The dataset didn't make this distinction (if it was considered at all) clear. Of course an 18 year old college freshman who would check "high school" as his highest level of education is going to be more likely to have 4 sexual par…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:26 AM
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I preferred people I met IRL to online (which wasn't many anyway). But it was super common for people online to seem dry AF, and also for the people who were fun to message with online to be dry IRL when I actually met them. If they were fun IRL that bypasses all that. Besides, algorithms don't mean "didn't match" means she wasn't interested...her inbox could've got blown up and she never saw my message, she could've never seen my profile, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 08:23 PM
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Porn is fake anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 03:00 PM
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Remember: to the average socially stunted chud on Reddit, a skinnyfat 5/10 middle class media associate who can throw a bbq and successfully fill it with 20 friends is a Chad. None of OP's points track. I've yet to see anyone benefit from "status". It continues to be this nebulous concept that men who are hyperfixated on competing with other men pontificate about, but ultimately is always a different attribute.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 02:47 PM
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In fairness, a career is external and should never be valued by anyone beyond as a means to an end. I would never value any woman (not even my wife) for her career. But what I would value is her ambition, drive to succeed, competence, etc. The things that are unique to her, and not simply the external manifestation of it. Most jobs would replace you in no time if you left or if they were forced by external factors to downsize. Too many people (especially in their 20s) spend time chasing validati…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 02:48 AM
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No. However, men who've never experienced desirability tend to pedestalize it. It's the mindset of someone who's never won the lottery pedestalizing the joy of having the first number called match his ticket, because he's never even gotten that far. Even though you need way more than the first number to match to actually win anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 02:37 AM
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LMAO. Using a video game as some sort of obscure pop culture reference. That's definitely the most Reddit brained thing I've seen today.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 02:24 AM
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There is a metric fuckton of Iranian propaganda on Reddit, FWIW. Fuck sharia law, Islamist values (remember, I said Islamist and not Islamic, there's a very big difference!), and the global caliphate. Yet Reddit openly has tons of posters glorifying these things and trying to sell them to Westerners.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 02:22 AM
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Nothing. But if someone shows up to a hobby space and that's his whole reason for being there, it's desperate and it will be obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 12:55 AM
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It's not an insult to point out that you clearly aren't following the point and, rather than accepting reality, are choosing to get angry at the messenger. Find a woman who claims desperation is attractive. I'll wait. It isn't. You can either accept that and grow, or you can keep whining. But frankly, the whining is getting pathetic, you're not saying anything new or making any counterpoints (basically just a big, whiny "buttt whyyyyy?" every time), so I'm losing interest in this repetition.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 12:49 AM
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I'm not being "ridiculous". You're either being dense, or the spectrum point you mentioned is personal and you're failing to comprehend my argument because the subtle social cue changes don't process for you. Desperation is unattractive, and guys who behave desperately are unattractive. You (individual you, not royal you) can't separate behavior from intentions and that's why you still aren't getting this.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 03:59 PM
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No, it is. It changes everything about how he interacts in those spaces from his body language to how hard he tries, and it's offputting. Think of it like sales. People hate pushy salesmen. But the company rep who patiently answers all your questions, is funny and affable, knowledgeable about the product line, and doesn't push you to buy from him? You want to buy from him, not the annoying persistent guy who keeps pressuring you.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 03:42 PM
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It's more about that desperation is unattractive in any social context. The kids that show up to school desperate to make new friends usually don't either. The vibe you generally want is "open to" a relationship "if the vibe hits right" not "I want a gf soooo bad"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 03:28 PM
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I do remember reading at one point about something in Japan - sex workers who bordered on healthcare who would go around giving handjobs and the like to very disabled Japanese men (wheelchair-bound, etc.) It's definitely interesting to think about...but the key is, of course, consent. The thing that incels and some pillers here often overlook when they tell struggling men here to "just pay for it" - a sex worker operating under a safe paradigm still reserves the right to reject his money and say…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 03:03 PM
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Sex when sold by a prostitute is a service. There are all kinds of services as well - fake friendships, etc. However, just because the experience can be bought and sold for a price does not mean that it is only a service, however. Many people choose to do these things in life for free - I'd drive my buddy to the airport or help him move, but a taxi or moving company would charge him for that. Similarly, a woman will gladly have sex with her boyfriend...but a prostitute would charge him, if the b…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 03:11 AM
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I skate with four different hockey clubs on the regular. Two of them, I started skating with last year and knew absolutely nobody. I have friends in all four. One of them, I've been skating in for three years and as it's grown, it developed a structure...there was a need for people who knew what they are doing, so I basically run the group with two other people. I regularly meet new people through it because we recruit to the club (and I am the primary recruiter). Every other piece of advice I'v…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 03:03 AM
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Then join a men's league sports team. Most guys aren't interested in "wingmanning" for new people. That's usually something you'd only do for your bros you have a real rapport with and it takes time to get to that level of male friendship. I'm not wingmanning for someone till I know they'll behave appropriately around women. I'm not gonna be known as the guy that helped her end up with a creep because I didn't realize he was a creep. Wingmanning is also generally a mutual thing where you both ag…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 02:45 AM
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It means literally what it says. Yes, cooking classes are extremely small. That means good odds you end up talking to someone at it. Alternatives (besides the other things I already listed) - Go to a food tasting, wine tasting, wine pairing, cheese tasting, etc...something slightly girl-coded but still with co-ed appeal. Women also love museums, history, culture, and local hotspots. Go on walking food tours. Go on a walking tour of a neighborhood. These are all spaces where participants often go…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 02:44 AM
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Going out to bars as a single guy is weird. Because most people go to bars with friends to hang out and drink, not to hit on random women. But going out to cultural events as a single guy is not weird. Go to hobby spaces. Take a cooking class. Pick up a new sport. Join a meetup of foodies that tries new restaurants. Try Crossfit (much more social than regular gym). Events at museums. Those are the kinds of places where a guy showing up on his own can get traction...as long as you're there for th…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 02:35 AM
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okay that makes sense now
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:12 PM
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I had a blast in college, not sure what you're referring to. I assume you meant this reply for the poster I replied to as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 01:22 PM
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Same. Hell, I was mid-career switch when I met my wife just shy of 25, was still living at home for a couple more months to save on rent, and didn't have much money at all. But I had a plan (which changed, of course, but kept up the desired way of life), I had goals, I was fun to be around, and I did interesting shit all the time. College, I got interest just for being in the room and being reasonably sociable on more than one occasion. After college, similar. Worked in a field with lots of youn…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:30 PM
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Yup, a lot are. Not a ton of personality. The younger women I talk to through hobbies, etc. all seem to have way more going on in their lives vs. the men. There's a big dropoff between the 25+ year old guys and the guys that are 18-22, on average. There are some guys who are VERY social in those ages, but most are either video game addicted, or way too nonchalant (and women hate this)...it's like stoner vibes, but these dudes don't even smoke. They just...work, and stay home. Dating 18-22 year o…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:22 PM
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🤓Nerd alert🤓 It's way easier to advance in your career in your 30s than in your 20s anyway. Most people switch careers at some point anyway, so all that grinding in your 20s just leaves you with FOMO when you miss all the trips with friends, the nights out, the crazy stories, and the solidifying of key friendships for the rest of your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:17 PM
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100% this. It's weird to be with someone when you're that age who just puts you into the person shaped hole in your life, and that's nongendered. Felt way too much like those foreign born or foreign valued women whose families dictated their mating preferences, and you could tell that regardless of her career, she was just looking for a husband of such and such race to make Mommy and Daddy happy and you weren't gonna build shit. As a mutt, that was always a fucking hard nope from me. Way better …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:15 PM
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Also "the gym" for personality is socializing...and the neurotic weirdos today are so afraid of things not going well they don't try. They're the equivalent of the 110 pound milquetoast bitching about people thinking he's weak, but he's afraid to go to the gym because "what if he tries to pick a weight off the rack to use and can't and everyone else in the gym sees him fail?"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 07:53 PM
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The grievance part used to get men laughed out of redpill spaces until they moved onto the improvement phase. Hence the F in "AFC" among other things. OG redpillers even used to say the anger phase was completely stupid and unproductive, though they acknowledged some men "needed" to go through it as some form of catharsis. OG redpill had its flaws but it wasn't this whiny new breed of lame asocial guys demanding women love them as they are in their non-improved state.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 07:50 PM
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Yet most other men see ppb'd and dudes with mail order brides as equally pathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:36 PM
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Tell me, would you still be happy at this moment if you never met your wife? Of course I would. Life would've just gone differently and I would've not known what would've happened with my wife so I wouldn't have "missed" it, I just would've found a similar happiness that would've looked different...though I would've still gone after the high priority stuff like a house and property, sexual compatibility. I've absolutely had "opportunities" since meeting my wife, I just never acted on them becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:32 PM
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It's not even masculinity. These dweebs don't talk to women or leave the house except for work an errands. They don't banter or flirt. They hate parties. They don't socialize in groups. They have no friends, online friends only, or friends just like them who also only hang around with other men. Rather than talk to women or do interesting things where they will meet women, they whip themselves into a frenzy "studying" women, and become bitter and angry at the world for not being "fair" just beca…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 02:35 PM
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They care about their "masculinity" so much because they don't perceive themselves as having much, so it's an insecurity for them. Men at peace with their masculinity aren't calling themselves "unmasculine" for being shy, and while they may be introverted, they are at least capable of extroversion, talking to new people, going to parties or other group social settings, and flirting/ bantering. They want to be bitter and fatalistic because most of them are autistic and don't understand how you ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 02:25 PM
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Exactly, it's more about your risk aversion than about efficacy. Thank you for proving my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 01:49 PM
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Hence the importance of not being a pussy seeking penis missile when you're there, which was part of my comment. Funny, I still have no problems interacting with women in mixed gender spaces, and that's before they find out I'm married. Obviously, I'm not looking for anything at this point but it's really interesting that all the Gen Z women in particular are sick of stoner faced socially stunted chuds with the thousand yard stare, or weirdos desperate to impress them, which seems to be most men…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 09:47 AM
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...And yet the expected return on lottery tickets is shit (maybe 50% of your "investment" lost, lifetime) vs. Index funds (3-6% annual return on average, in perpetuity). The math ain't mathin. For lotto tickets or dating apps, which is why people are leaving both, and only people who suck at math (or irl communications, or both) are staying.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 08:30 AM
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It's a second tier strategy for most of them. Roses and superlikes don't mean anything. A lot of women get them for free from the apps to keep them happy enough, and given what we know about stuff like the Ashley Madison scam profiles (for examlle), it wouldn't surprise me if the apps had staffers posing as single women on the apps to drive engagement. IRL banter with a woman > a superlike. A kiss at the end of the night > a match, or even an accepted first date offer that still might turn into …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 08:26 AM
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AI also constantly conflates "online" with shitty dating apps. Most people meeting "online" are meeting through online communities or through friends they both slready know IRL.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 08:13 AM
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That's a combination of risk aversion and low investment more than efficacy. It's buying lottery tickets and penny stocks when buying an index fund and holding for 30 years is the better ROI
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 08:05 AM
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"Online" =/= shitty dating apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 08:01 AM
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It's not a tangent at all. Your claim is that talk to women IRL is bad advice. I gave specific reasons it's good advice for the men who aren't doing it. The "ROI" will always be shit on apps. The ratio of men to women is enormous, some of the "women" are OnlyFans spammers, or men "studying female dating app behaviors", and the app gives 0 fucks if anyone pairs off as long as it can frustrate men just enough to keep paying money for more likes, more swipes, priority in her inbox, etc. You get lit…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 08:00 AM
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They aren't necessarily going to bars, but they are going out. And the highest quality women aren't getting smashed and hooking up with rando's anyway. But they are meeting guys IRL. Hell, college is literally easy mode for dating. And you'll get further in college with the best girls by being involved in campus life sober and making friends in your dorms, and having a social network, and talking to the women in your class / taking good notes / working with them on group projects and carrying yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 07:46 AM
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The purpose of socializing IRL is exercise. Socialization is like a muscle...if you don't use it, it atrophies. People who are chronically online or staring at computer screens usually suck at socialization in comparison to their more well socialized peers. "Talking to women in person" is about building those skills, often by interacting with women in low pressure situations where the goal isn't "get a date" but just "be comfortable in your own skin, not wanting anything from women, and ultimate…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 07:38 AM
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...And yet more incels self report as politically left than right. I'd also love to see a more nuanced study done than the one I'm refereing to that separates leftists and alt-right out from basic left and right as I'd posit political extremism bears significant correlation with inceldom. More sports isn't a bad thing, but the classic leftist ideas wouldn't do anything except give government more power and taxing authority and leave people poorer in the aggregate.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 09:33 PM
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Same. Eventually you just start avoiding people like that because it's easier and nobody wants to put up with their whining and guilt trips for not always focusing on their "problems" and not pushing other people aside to focus them...and then their crashouts when they get called out. Fucking exhausting.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 06:39 PM
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This. And men also don't also want to play therapist for women, and most of us aren't desperate to put up with that just to get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 06:26 PM
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This is true. The solution is control of your own thought patterns to not fall into doomerism and anger. This is why people rarely want to be around negative people who trauma dump on them. Interestingly, a study came out recently (on my phone so dont have a link but it can be googled) showing that mental health is somewhat correlated with mental health of your teen peers when you are an adolescent. So hanging with negative, depressed, toxic, or anxious people will make you more likely to be tho…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 04:54 PM
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Both the man and the woman in this story sound pathetic. Her for the obvious of being a cheating lowlife when she should've just broken up with the guy. Him for being a doofus sycophant who pedestalized and smothered his gf rather than being a real person and just going and having fun with her. Stop treating girlfriends like idols where you're her biggest fan and constantly trying to impress her. That shit is annoying and unattractive. That a shitty woman would leave a guy like that is only comm…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 04:39 PM
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The solution to that is to socially marginalize the individual assholes who do this, not to create systemic legislation to solve what is ultimately an issue with one individual. This is invariably where collectivist logic goes horribly off the rails. To put it another way: A person points out that there is a law treating two people differently based on protected characteristics (eg "married women can't open bank accounts without their husband" in 1950, or "black people can't buy or rent in this …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 08:19 PM
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Of course. I'm not making the point to call you out specifically. But there are a lot of people who misguidedly think that "equality" means treating inferior cultures and value systems as equal to Western ones, which will actively impede creating greater equality globally since those systems are naturally oppressive. The fact that the very same people who think that are often the same ones professing to be advocating for equality (again, not saying you, just saying in general) is therefore very …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 08:09 PM
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Unfortunately the only way to actually promulgate global equality would be to be honest that not all cultures are created equal. Some cultures intentionally keep people poor and dependent on the government, or rely on exploitative labor and undercutting developed countries in terms of unit cost, and those value systems gotta go in order for there to be actual freedom or even a loose sense of equality globally. This is the inconvenient truth that people (not necessarily you) overlook whenever equ…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 06:02 PM
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Marxists attempt to create struggle hierarchies because it's foundational to how they understand society, and the constant division keeps people bitter, jealous, and angry, which is the only way an ideology as fucked as Marxism could ever make inroads in an otherwise successful society. The solution is always to treat people as individuals and to call out individual racists/sexists/etc. when they show their true colors. Not to push collectivist narratives, which don't really help anything. Addre…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 05:29 PM
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To Marxists, it is. This is why they attempt to co-opt equality movements and ultimately drive them towards Marxist ends, and why movements like feminism have veered so far off course that they now align with interests that actually hurt women (similar to how LGBTQ is increasingly marginalizing gays to placate transgender interests) and how racial equality has devolved into reverse racism, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 05:19 PM
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This likely wouldn't work as most people would probably just use it as a stand in for the overall package. Also, some people are terrible conversationalists and would likely vote others terrible for not being able to carry conversation, so I don't think this would have any real value for this 2nd reason either. As a married guy, I'm not on dating apps (and only briefly dabbled in them when I was single), but I have no idea how people would rate me. I'd imagine interesting people would say I'm in…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 05:12 PM
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Simps and white knights tend to not get any, so I don't understand this question. Women don't get attracted to guys who do "favors" for her, and whiteknighting is unnecessary - women can defend themselves verbally, they don't need men to do it, and in cases of actual violent threats, defending a woman from assault is not considered whiteknighting (and usually falls on paid employees like security, police, etc. anyway, or a woman's actual boyfriend or husband...not some stranger) In this sub, som…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 02:56 PM
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People who constantly obsess over power are insufferable and usually don't have any. Talking to a woman you're physically attracted to because you want to get to know her a little and see if she's possibly also interested in you - and worth your time and effort to spend time with - is hardly conceding any "power" at all. You CAN walk away at any time, you know.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 02:39 PM
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Leftism lost the last election for the left. Taking scholarships away from women to benefit athletes who went through some portion of male puberty, decriminalizing offenses that put the mentally ill and drug traffickers away before they can collectively directly or indirectly harm victims (usually women or the elderly), removing pretrial bail for violent criminals allowing them to reoffend, open borders and no vetting of third world aliens who come here illegally with misogynistic cultures and r…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 02:03 AM
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IMO there's more layers to it. Being: Chad>Stacy>Becky>Good guy Greg>Karen>Broomhilda>basic Bob>Mortimer the incel
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:24 PM
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😂😂😂 The New Balance sneakers. ⚰ But yeah some guys really do be looking like that
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:28 PM
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Nah, it's too entertaining. Plus sometimes some legitimately clueless guys come here and actually take good advice from the posters who give it, and it keeps them out of the incel/grifter bandwagon, which is a win for society.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 04:51 PM
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There a lot of people in the comments and the OP who don't seem to understand the difference between "offers" and "insists"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:03 PM
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While I do generally agree with that, it has to be tempered by the reality of expectations. There are a lot of guys who fundamentally don't know themselves who fell into video games and other BS "habits" out of boredom/a lack of options, and claiming that they should "love themself as they are" without making efforts to diversify interests or go out of their comfort zone is going to be actively counterproductive for them. Otherwise, that's generally part of competence and confidence which falls …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 10:53 PM
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I tell Marxists to go fuck themselves all the time. Feminism is irrelevant to socialism's proven track record of failure. Losers can either adapt or get left behind. No one should give up rights to placate the unmet wants of failures, regardless of if the realm is sex/relationships, or economics. And if you're advocating "redistributing" sex and relationships, then you're the Marxist clown.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 05:24 PM
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I'm telling loser men to step their game up and stop whining, because whining won't get them what they want. Maybe switch off the videogames, anime, Reddit, ragebait, and the same failing Match Group apps that 2/3 of women (arguably the better 2/3) aren't on... and go do interesting things and cultivate social skills including banter and flirting. Seems like a better start than complaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 04:47 PM
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See also: socialists. Ironically the same types on Reddit screeching about threatening to co opt struggling men into an incel revolution often miss how DSA types are doing the same thing to them with leftist politics that trend towards authoritarianism. A LOT of leftist incels, too...and their support for leftist causes ends at feminism in many cases. A lot of conservatives and moderates OTOH show less misogyny towards women than these guys, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 04:45 PM
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I want to emphasize that either all types of sexual desires are reasonable or none, and that all of this is massively one-sided. This kind of binary thinking is actively hurting you. "Either all 5'8" women with <25 BMI between 18 and 30 are attractive or none" (including single moms, burn victims, women with chlymidia/gonorrhea/herpes, golddiggers, Islamist Muslims who believe in sharia law, Christian prudes, promiscuous women, sex workers, formerly fat women with excess skin, asexuals, bi women…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 02:54 PM
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The issue with "loser men" is that they do not offer what women want. What do women want? Some measure of physical attraction, which is highly subjective, but men can meet one to a few of several different aesthetic archetypes to have some appeal to at least some women. "Alternative twink", "athletic", "teddy bear", "musician/artistic", "intellectual", "professional", to name a few. The basic level of confidence and competence to go after what he wants in all matters that do not involve other pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:58 AM
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Most people young don't have confidence to go after what they want. Step 1 is fixing that then. That's something most boys are working on in middle and high school...not in their mid 20s and 30s or beyond. Men realize that carrying around crushes and pedestalizing people and experiences is a fucking waste of time, so the optimal strategy is to put your best foot forward, shoot your shot, and accept the result even if you don't get what you want because that frees you up to move onto the next thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:27 AM
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Do you live in a major city? You can literally "travel" by exploring your own city. Know where the good places to eat are. Have a menu of cuisines available, and a list of places under each category. Know where the cool free things to do are. Know where the good spots to go out are, know the ones with gimmicks that are kinda fun and have them as a selling point. Know about culture...pick any 1-2 genres that interest you - art exhibits, dance performances, concerts, movies/plays - and know what's…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:25 AM
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I don’t have to join book clubs, sewing meetups, or other things I don’t enjoy to find women if I can meet them in more ordinary places like work, school, friend groups, etc. The point of joining activities - and they don't have to be exclusively primarily feminine ones like the ones you listed - is that they make you infinitely more interesting to the women you meet at work, school, or through friend groups when you actually have a conversation with her than sitting around all day gaming on Dis…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:18 AM
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All good advice. Nice guys are boring so they either end up with boring women or they end up settled for by women who've exhausted all other options but still want a relationship. The solution to being a nice guy is to stop being a boring doormat pushover and claiming it as virtue. Figure out what you want in life and make a realistic plan to get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:11 AM
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Go anywhere on her or any dating related debate. Women’s arguments often boil down to, “you just want sex and that’s why you get rejected”. Because this approach oozes desperation, because desperation is pathetic, and relationship-minded women don't want to date pathetic men, and casual-sex-minded women don't want to fuck pathetic men. They often complain about commitment and emotional unavailability, while hooking up with a guy and having basically no real relationship outside of that. Most cas…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:07 AM
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This subreddit popped up on my feed and was interesting. There seems to be six different kinds of posters here: Confused men who struggle and don't really "get" women. Hardened incels and/or manospherians who want to recruit other men to their cause cuz...solidarity or something. Guys who either pulled or figured out how to pull while still young enough to experience lots of different things and who have a good handle on how attraction and compatibility work. Women in happy relationships or dati…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 10:41 AM
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Right? These guys just tell on themselves daily. Women's lust is specific and contextual. It isn't scattershot or haphazard. It requires a specific man, not just a specific looking man. Most men are similar in their sexual values around women. Losers ooze desperation, however, and claim to be willing to stick their dicks in any woman which implies an unholy mix of desperation and low standards, not any reflection of "male nature" in the population of men who aren't desperate or with low standard…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:53 PM
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Reading body language and understanding social norms is table stakes in life. Either deal with it, or accept always being seen as the weirdo.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:43 PM
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Because it IS untrue. Get off Reddit and go outside. Attractive single women are everywhere. They aren't waiting around in some Fortnite lobby or some gambling forum. Hell, all those Insta-baddies that Hoover up all the likes on Instagram who are so "addicted to their phones" - where the hell do you think their "thirst trap" photos are coming from? Hint: if a bunch of them are at the beach, it means she goes to the beach. Also, fun fact: pointing out the obvious isn't "simping". You know what is…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:40 PM
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☝️ he's right you know
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 09:55 AM
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Stop im fucking dying 😂😂😂😂 As if these nerds would even get this far. No sexual socialist revolution required. Hell, an insta baddie could go so far as to tell these chuds "Let's fuck" and they wouldn't know what to do. Make kiss me eyes at some dork while he asks her what her favorite video game or anime is. They'd fumble on the 1 yard line and they're mad about kickoffs. These guys are scared of "assholes" in social settings but somehow would fight to the death for government rationed pussy. S…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 09:44 AM
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It's sexual socialism. And just like economic socialism, would just make everyone miserable, so people actively fight it. Free people will fight and kill if needed to avoid it. Especially because the OP's premises are wildly inaccurate. 80% of men are not incel permavirgins, or oofy-doofy married men with body counts of 1 whose wives hate their guts and never have sex with them anymore. Most first marriages in the West work, especially once you factor out grey divorce and Boomers who were marryi…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 09:30 AM
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Boring and shy is a "bad personality." You're literally uninteresting and afraid of basic socialization.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 08:52 PM
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Save this post as quick reference for all the doofuses that swear they want passive, agreeable women. This is Exhibit A of why I didn't tend to go for those types of women: you never knew where you stood, and if everything was "okay" nothing was ever "good" or "great" or "awesome". A lot of shy women aren't people pleasing and spineless though, and this is where compatibility comes in. This is the equivalent of the lame-duck guy who asks a woman out and she says "what did you have in mind?" and …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 04:08 PM
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The average man is a guy with friends and a job, a social life, extroversion capability (even if he's more of an introvert), and social hobbies that he spends time on that don't involve screens. Not some allergic to sunlight Redditor screeching about "but um ackshually" on threads and writing whole ass screeds about "females" like he works for Discovery Channel as a scriptwriter.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:54 PM
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This literally almost never happens. Women almost never explicitly say "no", they soft reject them putting into the friendzone, giving them a sliver of hope just so that she can use them in the future in case her main options aren't available and she needs an emotional tampon. No, this is the bullshit lie that "nice guys" tell themselves to justify being pathetically persistent because it's psychologically comfortable for them versus acceptance that they've been rejected. Women do this to be pol…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:03 AM
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Very underrated comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 02:57 AM
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Holy shit. Some of you guys really have no idea what you're talking about. Literally no woman is "friendzoning" a guy because he takes a little bit of time to have a few conversations with her, banters and flirts, before trying to make plans with her. They're not even friends at that point, they just know each other more than in passing, and it isn't some pathetic hamfisted elevator pitch "cold approach." Guys only put themselves in the friendzone when they spend months orbiting women WITHOUT ba…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 02:54 AM
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Read all of them. Yeah, there are a very small number that worked out, but a bunch of them are literal nightmare fuel: https://www.boredpanda.com/girls-gave-nice-guy-chance-reddit/ https://www.buzzfeed.com/shelbyheinrich/nice-guys-chance-stories https://np.reddit.com/r/AskWomen/comments/a2cjc2/women_who_gave_nice_guys_a_chance_how_did_it_work/?solution=a18d74086c8936a0a18d74086c8936a0&js_challenge=1&token=7afd7253fec22262ff1c52b1703fe9ecf9d0be2e0dc99aeaff3e0785606d7adb&jsc_orig_r= https://np.red…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 10:30 AM
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That doesn't track with women's lived experiences at all, sorry. Seen it w my own eyes too. The guys that are as spineless as you say arent even talking to women, let alone asking them out.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 12:16 AM
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I didn't prove you "right." I clarified the difference between "complementary" partners (what you were arguing) and "compatible" partners. You were still arguing that compatibility doesn't matter and that people should be complementary. I provided examples that showed complementary people aren't necessarily compatible, proving that those are, in fact, two different things. Hence "compatibility" is still a valid ask within a realtionship, and doesn't mean two people are identical to one another, …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:29 PM
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Not just a spelling error but you're literally using the word "compatibility" wrong too. Refer to my comment 2 (of my) comments ago. And yes, on a debate sub, language matters if you're trying to make your point.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:24 PM
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Yes, which is the correct usage. There is no "complimentary" in relationships other than "compliments" people give one another: complimentary adjective a: expressing praise or admiration : expressing or containing a compliment b: FAVORABLE c: given free or as a courtesy or favor None of that has to do with, as you put it in your previous post, "being two parts which improve the other." That would be complementary, which is what I said in my previous comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:17 PM
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You're right, most don't shoot up a school. They just crash out and argue with a woman about her reasons for rejection, then make her explain every one while trying to disprove her "logic." In what universe does that make a woman reconsider a man? There are literally thousands, probably millions of examples of this behavior: documented video interactions, internet stories, "tell me about the time a nice guy asked you out" threads on Reddit, etc. That IS harmful. Most people don't want to sit aro…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:12 PM
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It's readily apparent that "nice" language is no more effective at getting "nice guys" to drop their performative people pleasing either, though. But hey, maybe if they can learn to stand up to another man on the Internet calling them a submissive doormat, maybe they can learn to say "actually, as a date" when a woman asks him "as friends?" when he tries to ask her out. Better than continuing what's gotten him nowhere so far, and the mollycoddling that hasn't incentivized him to change.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:09 PM
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"Complimentary" means free. Or literally "of or pertaining to a compliment." Complementary is about strengths that neutralize weaknesses. Compatibility isn't about that. Two people can both suck ass at gardening and at house maintenance, vow to live in a city apartment their whole lives, and not be complementary in either respect while still being compatible. Two people who both suck ass at gardening and house maintenance, one of whom wants to live in a suburban house, and the other who wants to…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:06 PM
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They're meant to be illustrative, to break flawed thinking. Associate the unfavorable behavior with pejorative phrasing, and it becomes disfavored. Associate the favorable behavior with positive phrasing, and it becomes favored. Basically the opposite of what "nice guys" do. They legitimately tell themselves that unattractive behaviors are good, and so they reinforce that psychologically, keep repeating them, and results don't matter...even as it would stand to reason that rejection after reject…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 05:54 PM
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Disagree. This is where social cues, body language, etc. come in. Most people are really fucking easy to read.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 05:47 PM
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No, that's compatibility. Complementary is "My wife hates financial planning and I hate doing taxes, but she is okay with doing taxes and I'm okay with doing financial planning, so we divide those tasks in the way that is best for us, and that covers all the bases."
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 05:46 PM
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They are the same people. And the fact these nice guys constantly go writing screeds on the internet after they get rejected whining about other people's selection criteria is proof positive they aren't as "nice" as they seem. Some women felt bad for those guys - "oh he always gets rejected, I guess I'll give him a shot even if he's a little bit boring" and then it turns into a bubbling cauldron of insecurity and progressively more insane demands until she ends it and swears off nice guys foreve…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 05:43 PM
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Kind people can accept that gracefully and go on their merry way if they have to. Performatively "nice" people will lash out, argue, etc. while claiming to "just be asking a question". Meanwhile their pores ooze entitlement.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 05:40 PM
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Compatibility doesn't mean identical. Compatibility means: My interests likely overlap at least somewhat with her interests. My values strongly overlap with her values. My interests that she does not share are not dealbreakers for her, or she is interested in learning about them. Her interests that I do not share with her are not dealbreakers for me, or I am interested in learning about them. There is sexual compatibility in terms of libido, anatomy, and sexual preferences in bed. Our personalit…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 05:38 PM
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It's duplicitous because if he asks her out, she might say "as friends?" and then how does he respond? "No, as a date," - great. Then it's either a date, or she says no. No bullshit accusations of the "friendzone". "Oh, I don't know" when he knows he wants to date her? Mealy-mouthed bullshit. "Sure, yeah, as friends" when he knows he wants to date her? Duplicitous. It's not hard to communicate directly with a woman so there's no doubt as to his intentions while still taking time to build a basic…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 05:31 PM
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Or just get out of your feelings, recognize every person is a new opportunity/fresh start, and stop carrying all this baggage around with you for no reason. Y'all make every rejection a referendum on your sexuality, and then expect adding that weight to every interaction with women and expect that it won't cloud your body language and behavior as you pile on yourselves over a lifetime. It's not that serious. Millions of women. All it takes is one good one. Get out of your head and go find her. A…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 05:25 PM
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It's actually pretty simple, and it doesn't need to be "convincing" it just needs to be true. Let's ask another way: You think women are attracted to spineless people pleasing pushovers with no standards?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 05:21 PM
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Most people are polite, and then situationally kind. The test of how kind someone is, is how they react to bad news that must be delivered, or being told no where the consent of another is required for a yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 05:20 PM
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That's actually not true at all, and you should see all the horror stories from women who "gave the 'nice guy' a chance."
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 05:17 PM
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Correct, most good people are kind, not nice. Nice is usually spineless people pleasing, aka "I have no identity, so my identity is serving you, Dear Woman, to impress you...so please tell me what you want/need and I will do it because I want you to like me." That kind of energy is unattractive AF.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 01:53 PM
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No response is a response. Getting cancelled on at the last minute repeatedly with no plans or intent to reschedule is effectively a no. "Yeah definitely, let me get back to you to confirm though" with no follow up when specific dates are proposed is effectively a no. Her finally giving in and agreeing to a work lunch with a guy who has badgering her where she immediately goes back to the office after exactly 30 minutes is not "stringing him along," it's throwing him a bone to behave in socially…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 01:52 PM
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They need to grow up. Pining after something you don't put your hat in the ring for, not getting it, and then throwing a temper tantrum is pathetic behavior. You don't do the same thing with jobs, with money, with friendships, with seats in a firstyear college class, or with tickets to a concert or sporting event...or literally anything else in life. Build a rapport, get to know her a little, don't call it a "friendship" and then ask her out. If she says no, walk away with your pride and dignity…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 01:46 PM
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What I take issue with is the notion that this concern is some silly thing only a socially stunted autist incel would dream up. Most men are enjoying the company of their wives on a day to day basis, not daydreaming "what if" scenarios for 15, 20, 25+ years from now.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 11:29 PM
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I'm kinda fine with it. I view this sub as largely to debate Western paradigms in dating, and fewer weird foreign perspective posts ("hurr durr money status resources" kinda claptrap) wouldn't be a bad thing IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 09:34 PM
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Okay, and? How many of those women have you dated through those ages. If you're in your 20s still, of course women in their 40s aren't going to be attractive to you. That changes when you have a great relationship and great sex with a woman multiple times per week, see her every day, and then eventually wake up and realize both of you are late 30s while continuing all of that. That doesn't just happen because you "get a girlfriend" and start imagining the future. It happens because you see each …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 08:54 PM
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This has not been true for me. To use just one example, I was in a relationship for over a decade. The sex got pretty boring towards the end. It was no one's fault. It's the norm with the passage of time. We're still close friends. Sounds like you stopped trying or doing new things. That doesn't have to do with looks then. A good sex life is something both people have to commit to in order to keep things interesting. Any sex will get boring if it becomes rote or repetitive, or if either partner …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 08:33 PM
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Do what? Wax nostalgic about when they were both younger? That's totally normal. Most people aren't looking forward to being 80 and decrepit and not being able to do things. Most people wax nostalgic about their own looks and abilities when they get older, too. That doesn't mean a guy is literally comparing his wife to other 18 year olds, and if he is, he's an asshole, and not the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 04:01 PM
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In a healthy sense, there aren't. Job interviews are about performing, answering questions, and a lot of talking. Dating is about seeing if you can have a good time together, with romantic undertones. Talking is part of that, but if it's the whole thing, you're doing it wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 03:36 PM
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Literally the Movember foundation. How much have you donated or fundraised for them?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 03:34 PM
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Yes I get that. But these guys also claim that they’re the nice ones who women overlook due to women being too cruel and superficial to appreciate them. Yes, they're "nice guys" (with quotes). Everyone knows that, and everyone knows that's not a good thing. They're sitting on the sidelines playing make believe while purporting to speak for the men who are and have been meeting women, getting into relationships, having sex, getting married, having families, and aging. It's clear from their postin…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 02:55 PM
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Most guys who can't do it online have: The same 3 indoor prisoner-of-war style pics on their profile: bathroom mirror selfie, work selfie, and then one of gym selfie or home at his computer selfie. In none of the three pics is he smiling. In none of the three pics is there a warm or a bright color. Just whites, greys, blacks, and the same dull neutral expression or scowl in each. No sunlight to be found. Screams "no friends" and "I needed a pic for a dating app so I just took one with my phone r…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 02:03 PM
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A bunch of incels who sit around all day hypothesizing about what they'd think of their imaginary wives in 20-40 years if they could actually find a partner is hardly representative of "men."
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 01:51 PM
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FWIW these guys' opinions don't generally mirror that of people who are actually partnered. They tend to just be chronically single guys or incels hypothetically talking about their future fantasy wives and how they'd see them in 20 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 01:50 PM
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fr, these guys pedestalize everything about sex and attractive women. I swear sometimes this sub is just a forum for their FOMO. They want "validation" and to believe "no man got better than they did in life" more than they want "hot women" or "sex."
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 01:47 PM
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The funny thing about looks is that when you see someone every day, they still look the same as the day you met in many respects. Hell, look in the mirror. You probably still see yourself as a teenager or 20 something year old in some respects. Unless someone massively puts on weight, suffers through some kind of severe injury, or something crazy, they tend to mostly look the same over time. Plus facial features don't really change all that much, and when you actually find your person, that conn…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 01:44 PM
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They turn to the manosphere because overwork culture, ghetto hood/trailer park culture, third world "male provider" culture, and fatherlessness have distorted norms around what masculinity is...and leftist progressive bullshit is throwing around stupidity like "femboys can be masculine too" which is simply weird and wrong when attempting to normalize childish behaviors in Marxist attempts to undermine nuclear family structure. The unique confluence of these factors, coupled with society's inabil…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 10:15 PM
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It's really not that hard. You don't have "a few hours" you have some amount of time. You should keep it casual and light (but not nonchalant, cuz that's just lame), and not label things. You're not "friends." You're just acquaintances. Introduce banter and flirting if you're interested, see if there's reciprocation. If you like her, ask her out (after you've built that rapport and gotten to know her a little). No "friendship" to sabotage. She says no? Pull back, unless you want a friendship. Pl…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 04:01 AM
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They are getting dates, but they have internalized narratives from porn and manospherians re: "Chad and casual sex" to such a wild degree that - even in the not-as-common-as-the-manosphere-would-have-you-believe instances that do occur - they fail to see how a drunk 18 year old co-ed at a rager hooking up with a random guy in college she thinks is hot when she's still self-discovering and rebelling from 17 years living under strict parents...and the same version of that girl they are dating at 2…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 03:52 AM
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The bulk of that is far too cerebal and academic to be functional in the practical arena where political theory inevitably must be deployed. You cannot decouple Marxism from Marxist rhetoric designed to promote Marxism when discussing policy since one necessarily follows from the other since the former is used by Marxist sympathetic parties to promote Marxist ideology. What you dismiss as "populism" is the salient practical application of theory, and extremely relevant to discussing the merits o…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 03:41 AM
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But as a critique, it exists to make Marxist "solutions" more palatable among the general public, and thus the critique should be judged as insidiously as the ideology it upholds as its end. Of course free markets have flaws. No system is perfect.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 03:09 PM
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And an obsession with anime. It's like an inc, er, "struggling man" Triple Crown.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 03:00 PM
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To the guys who obsess over "hierarchical power", anybody who has employees who reports to them might as well be Emperor.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:58 PM
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Critical theory is not "sound". It was a post-Marxist rebranding of class struggle into immutable characteristic struggle because the upward mobility of workers in the West prevented socialism from ever gaining a real foothold. Hence the choice by Marxist and post-Marxist "scholars" (read: academic activists) to choose to root oppressor/oppressed frameworks in more permanent characteristics that carry "struggle" that can't be alleviated with promotion or savings. To make struggle such an identit…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:35 PM
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"Based on a preponderance of the evidence" is the standard in civil matters. In other words, where evidence meets a judge's reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:19 PM
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That can easily be fixed through normalizing parental leave for parents and preventing discrimination based on parental status. Men want paternity leave too. No radical socialism needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:17 PM
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The hypocrisy of socialism is that it purports to be godless, but it's really just anti-God (capital G) Under socialism, the State is the god and socialists exist to serve it. Hence, whoever control the State is, effectively, god. They'll ree and screech and claim that "that's ackshually communism, ackshually" to anyone who dares to point that out, despite 200 years of proof across numerous societies that it's absolute truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:15 PM
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And relativist morals create the most anarchy, which is why civilized society agrees on laws.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 10:05 PM
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The anarchy that results from laws without any enforcement mechanism would be far less civilized.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 06:58 PM
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Hurricane Katrina occurred in inner city areas which extensively import third world culture. Point still stands. There weren't roving gangs of loser men raping and pillaging in lower Manhattan after 9/11, nor in the Pacific Palisades after the fire, nor in hundreds of other examples of non-third-world culture in recent memory.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 04:36 PM
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There are a lot of ideas being conflated here, each of which needs individual addressing: I see women online always saying stuff like "I just want a man who gives the bare minimum!" which on paper consists of generally just being kind, respectful, loyal, and maybe a few other preferences physical or personality. but seems pretty reasonable right? but the truth is that a woman's definition of a bare minimum, ends up being an impossible demand of 100 traits and features a man must have or hes deem…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 04:29 PM
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While this raises very important points, I think the deeper conversation here is on culture (not necessarilt "men"), and that despite all the leftist kumbaya propaganda, not all cultures are created equal. Third world cultures have shit values and it's not racist to point that out. In those kinds of scenarios, I'd be the guy armed to the teeth gathering like minded citizens to work together and protect our women (and men) from what are, effectively, barbarian hordes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 04:09 PM
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This is why every civilized society uses the threat of violence or restricting freedoms to uphold the socially agreed upon order. And it's why leftist daydreams of a police-and-prison-and-military free world will never come to fruition.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 04:03 PM
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Developing humor is not "changing" your personality unless you are a soulless, joyless, miserable person who is incapable of finding humor in anything. Developing extroversion and charisma is not "changing" your personality unless you are asocial or antisocial. Developing confidence is largely a byproduct of actually liking yourself, which is the reward when you put work into yourself and like the finished product. Both of these should be enhancements to a personality, not a "change".
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 06:01 AM
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Single payer will not reduce costs. The solution is decoupling it from employment entirely, requiring employers to compensate employees the cost of the employer's share of premiums, and having an individual mandate that allows people to buy coverage from any insurer they like, by state. Subsidize those who are means tested and can't afford it. All single payer will do is clog the system, delay care due to a dearth of providers, and support bloared administrations that have no incentive to run le…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 05:45 PM
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Bernie is a fucking geriatric Marxist communist who calls his brand of leftism "Democratic Socialism" (same thing hardcore Communists were calling themselves in the 60s), and has been enriching himself off public life for decases like any good socialist/Communist. The world will be a better place when he finally kicks the bucket. Current leftism rooted in Marxism is terminal. Alt right is similar. Normalize marginalizing extremists again.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 05:35 PM
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Because, unfortunately, there are. I don't push the idea, they do a damn good job of that themselves. These guys usually don't have friends, are socially inept, have niche interests that they bloviate on about in ridiculous detail to people who aren't interested, and are as offputting to other men as they are too women. But they seem to be all over the internet complaining about everything all the time and spewing desperation anywhere they go. They'd be worth at least trying to help if they coul…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 06:08 AM
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...Who's gonna tell him...?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 05:39 AM
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Planning dates is actually a huge advantage as a guy. When I was single, I could pick fun shit to do that was different and that I actually wanted to do. And women loved it. In many ways, it must suck ass being an attractive woman with a lot of interests and wanting to do fun shit, liking a guy who asks you out, and then having to suffer through the same boring ass sushi date because you like him and don't want to reject his idea since he took the initiative to propose it, but you've literally b…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 05:36 AM
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no idea, but it certainly isn't the english language lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 05:34 AM
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A simple maxim is a woman has to be able to visualize what being with you is like...how it feels. Vivid descriptions in the profile, passionate writing, bright colorful pics that read as snippets of his life as opposed to POW style mugshots to analyze his face and bodyfat% (which women aren't doing). Woman friends can't always articulate it, and as many as 2/3 of single women aren't on the apps anyway. Most guys are clueless. They don't realize how cookie cutter most guys' profiles are. Hell, th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 03:23 AM
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They constantly complain about not getting matches when their profile is "up for anything, looking to meet people and see where it goes" and about generic interests as a list with no details...and they have the same 3 profile pics that scream no friends: home bathroom mirror selfie, work selfie, gym mirror selfie or home-at-computer selfie (depending)...and in 0/3 pics is he smiling. And then they wonder why women arent sliding into their DMs unless theyre trying to sell him onlyfans Ive helped …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:43 AM
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Some women do lust after "average men." The catch is that those "average men" are fun to be around. For that, incels call them simps. And asocial gamers who hate parties and obsess over male hierarchies in their own minds are not "average men" they are bottom feeders.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:55 AM
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Then they need therapy or introspection, not casual sex. Cuz casual sex wont fix that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 09:18 PM
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Guys like that pedestalize it because they haven't had it...and sex isn't the only area of their life they're behind...so they view it as a panacea to fix their broken lives. It's a completely fucked up weird viewpoint. Even if these guys could get laid, it wouldn't change the rest of their life. They'd cling to that one accomplishment ("I got laid once") and go right back to their misery when it fails to impress anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 09:17 PM
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Most 6'4 guys aren't in the NBA so odds are a shorter guy saying he'd be in the NBA if he was 6'4 is more likely to be an unathletic spaz that an NBA player.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 09:13 PM
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Buying a car is a good example. You won't sell someone on a car when they arent looking for a car. But you will if you're a dealership when they happen to be looking. Guys who never socialize are way less likely to be at the right time and place than guys who do.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 09:10 PM
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It's kinda hilarious watching these guys sperg out about not getting casual sex. So you tell them to: -go to parties -drink -take up hobbies -banter/flirt -have a sense of humor -have diverse interests to start better conversations -not take themselves soooo seriously And all you get is a litany of screeching and reasons they "can't" but they still want casual sex. LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 09:08 PM
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Meanwhile they lose their ever loving minds if you tell them "be confident". QED "Confidence" is not genetically predetermined. This is loser thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 08:56 PM
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Meanwhile they lose their ever loving minds if you tell them "be confident". QED
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 08:55 PM
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These myths persist because low self esteem men come up with "reasons" why women won't fuck them and project their self esteem issues and inferiority complex onto these fake phd dissertations. Meanwhile they lose their ever loving minds if you tell them "be confident". Theyre so obsessed with what everyone else is doing, meanwhile learning basic communication, banter, and flirting is so repulsive to them, they block it out and assume "hot men" just go up to women in the street and say "wanna fuc…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 07:22 PM
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It's mainly lack of binge drinking. Young people today drink socially, they don't "get wasted".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 02:55 PM
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The hate on Graham Platner is ALSO because he is a leftist Nazi sympathizer who also made fun of Redditors contemplating self deletion. Yet he claims to be "fighting fascism". ...in other words, a typical Reddit leftist. The "mean to his girlfriends" thing is like fifth on the list of that trainwreck.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 02:25 PM
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Andrew Tate literally has not been mentioned in this branch of this thread until right now. You were talking about Trump and politics. Tate isn't relevant politically as he isn't a political figure like Fuentes is. And incels exist on the far left, too. As a matter of fact, inceldom does have some correlation to political extremism in general. It isn't a one sided issue politically, as much as leftists want it to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 12:22 AM
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Incels aren't "red pill". Actual red pillers would have laughed them out of the redpill for being whiny losers. A lot of redpill is PUA gimmickry and BS ("negging" and "spinning plates") but some is legit self improvement and learning to be more fun socially. Those guys had no interest in listening to autistic nerds screeching about being rude to women on purpose or their pathetic fantasies of r@pe or murder.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 07:16 PM
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Those types of guys and their bloodlines will die off in a generation, so as long as incel behaviors are universally mocked, it won't be societally acceptable for others to pick up their torch, and it will stymie their recruiting efforts online.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 06:43 PM
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Cool now write one about banter and flirting then.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 05:58 PM
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Trump's wins have more to do with leftist insanity on things like k-12 curriculum, women's sports, parents rights, soft on crime (which women should want predominantly male violent criminals harshly penalized), soft on unchecked illegal migration and providing illegals with free benefits from tapped budgets, their support for failed economic systems like socialism, no voter ID, and more...than they do any sort of popularity of incel beliefs (though the far left will hype the influence of groyper…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 05:57 PM
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That's just the femcel version of an incel's fantasy. The truth is much more unexciting: most people won't be affected, won't buy into gender wars, and will continue to date, fuck, relationship, marry, and start families based on their individual goals and those of compatible partners, and the angry/bitter types on both sides will either let it go and quietly go away and live lives of alternative meaning that can be of distinction and rewarding...or they will continue to cling to their genderwar…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 05:04 PM
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It's cope by men who likely never had an attractive phase who think gold diggers wanting to spend time around them because they have money constitutes a prime. I'm in my 30s, and I still get attention from women...the youngest probably being 18-20 or so and the oldest probably being in her late 40s (at least in terms of recent), but being married I dont entertain it. But also most people think I'm 7-8 years younger than I am (same for my wife) cuz we take care of ourselves. There's NO way I'm go…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 04:54 PM
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It's a revenge fantasy. Just like socialists, they always shitpost hoping that others will do the work. They're too busy gooning and gaming to do anything about it and lack the charisma to get anyone on their side or lead. Every now and then some lunatic goes Eliot Rodger but that's no different than some leftist nutjob like Luigi Mangione...they're unhinged solo actors and should be punished harshly decisively and permanently by the law (you can read between the lines on that one) to discourage…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 02:43 PM
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Men don't want to be stoic providers who never see our families and don't get satisfaction from paying for everything and watching from a distance. "Nice guys" are lame AF, we don't like or respect them, and we clock that shit when we're with or pursuing a woman and they're orbiting her. It's met with indifference because that's the best reaction and we know treating the nice guy like he doesn't exist will make him out himself to her and kill all friendship vibes she feels towards him. Guys who …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:35 PM
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Having had my wife be pregnant, pregnancy is a valid reason to give up a seat on the bus if you're still relying on such a miserable way of getting around. If there is one seat, I'm giving it to my wife. But if I'm on my own, I'm taking it, and not giving it up for a random able bodied non-pregnant woman, nor would I when I was single.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:17 PM
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It isn't, these guys are just trying to create academic dissertations to try and convince women to give them a chance. Funny, because I found writing research papers to be one of the worst parts of being in higher ed (and this helped push me towards a business field of study). These guys hold that view about actually attractive behaviors like extroverted socializing, banter, and flirting...they'd rather do this. Unfortunately for them, just as if I'd pursued a PhD I wouldn't have enjoyed doing t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 06:53 PM
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You just described socialism. Forced "equity" and mandated reduced happiness across the board to appease the jealousness of losers under an existing system that largely works. Remove the incentive structure by rewarding those who haven't earned something, making the pie smaller for everyone. And just like socialism this won't work. Women who like casual sex don't want to fuck nerds who fantasize in pseudo-intellectual terms about hypothetical future dystopias where women fuck weirdos who can't f…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 06:50 PM
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Anything else?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:30 PM
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Sure you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 12:52 PM
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Laughable take and further proving my point. I have zero skin in the game at this point so at this point my presence on this sub is strictly to help struggling young men and ridicule the "opinions" of nerds like you into irrelevance in their eyes. Nothing more pathetic than an incel trying to recruit others to the cause, but just like the socialists and groypers, a dying cult that can't reproduce has to try and brainwash others to survive.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 10:26 AM
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You: "Gaming is hugely social and there are televised events" This is my counterpoint to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 09:12 AM
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Blah blah blah. Yes she got back to an elite level of sport where people pay to watch her play. Considering her sport is literally "women's ice hockey" (coincidentally, what the Olympics calls it, too), yes, she got there. Incels routinely belittle women's sports because they aren't men's sports, which is a valid point to address. I don't really care about the rest of the pseudo-intellectual claptrap in the first part of your post as it's the typical Reddit screeching when one loses the argument…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 09:10 AM
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Being an Olympic gold medalist and consistently being an Olympian for a decade plus doesnt require a caveat. How many sports have you played beyond middle school gym class? Congratulations, your comment is exactly the kind of Reddit neckbeard shit that women hate, and something no elite athlete (man or women) or anyone in the greater athletics community takes seriously. This is also why "play coed softball" never works as "meet women" advice for guys who think and act like you. Y'all spend more …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 08:11 AM
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Gaming is boring AF for most non gamers and even many gamers dont really care to talk about other gamers. Its well established on this sub I'm not a gamer. But the only thing more boring than someone blathering on about gaming is someone blathering on about themselves watching other people play video games. And most women (and men) are not gonna care. If there's a hell, it's a gaming twitch stream.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 09:54 PM
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A woman I admire: Kendall Coyne Schofield. Literally got a woman's league started by reaching out to Billie Jean King and being persistent throughout a huge process. Had a baby and got back to an elite level of sport in under a year, and is a Mom and wife while playing at the highest level of her sport. A man I admire: Aaron Judge. Perfect teammate and leader, scandal free, gives to charity, elite skills, and completely humble about all of it. On dates I preferred to ask frivolous low stakes que…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 09:48 PM
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The irony that the politically minded refuse to see is that leftist economic policy is effectively the same bullshit as incel sexual policy. Forced redistribution by an all powerful government that shapes individual behavior through collective action. We have 250+ fucking years of evidence that this Marxist bullshit doesn't work economically, despite propaganda attemping to paint "fee for use" subsidized services like "the post office," "the library," and "Amtrak" as socialism, and despite the f…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:53 PM
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The OP's greeting and signoff was also a tell of where those "beliefs" may have come from.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 11:52 PM
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Miss me with the BS notion that men need to be "stoic providers" who never say no to night shift, weekends, overtime, or raises and promotions because the only thing that matters to us is being absentee parents who can sometimes show up to a birthday or graduation. Also hate the stereotype of us being overcompetitive assholes and I instantly dislike any dude who shows up and inmediately starts trying to flex/act important because deep down thats nothing more than a really annoying form of insecu…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 06:57 PM
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Those must be the infamous "we hate parties" Redditors we hear so much about on this sub
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 12:28 PM
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Right? This is some asocial weirdo being described. Average guys go to parties, make friends, interact with/date/befriend/girlfriend/hook up with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 09:14 PM
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I think, though, most people reach a point of contentment where they don't want to dedicate so much energy to improving themselves; they'd rather reap the rewards of hard work and turn their focus to the relationships and community they have, the hobbies they enjoy, and the work involved in maintaining those things (keeping the same job rather than aiming for a big promotion, for example). The key factor here, though, is that what you describe in that paragraph isn't boring. Spending time with f…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 05:01 AM
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So don't be boring.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 04:56 AM
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IMO depends why they do it. If their culture is repressive and they want to experience those things, power to them. If they're just a LBH trying to leverage exchange rates to sugar date someone in the third world, that's loser behavior and we'll never not call those guys LBH's.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 03:58 PM
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No, actually, it's not. It's pretty foundational to anyone who understands how attraction works. I also missed the part where a woman's enthusiasm in bed, extroversion, social skills, and her ability to earn and contribute to a functioning, egalitarian household - all things mentioned in my original comment - are "physical characteristics" Boring, lazy, no ambition men are the equivalent of the 400 pound lazy woman with no personality. But, hey, go off. Either improve or stay single.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 01:49 PM
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Most men are repulsed by the idea of sleeping with some 400 pound uggo with horrible hygiene and no personality. That says more about the desperation of losers than it does about anything else. The "boring guy" can probably go find some crackwhore willing to sleep with him if he's willing to be her financing for her fix, doesn't make that a desirable option. Either get better at the game or don't play. Nobody's going to be over the moon for 400 pound asocial pillow princesses with awful skin and…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 01:26 PM
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This is just giving revenge of the nerds but instead of nerds it's losers. Being a low effort NEET with no personality is never going to be attractive. Might as well ask what would it be like "if fat women with acne and horrible fashion sense who can't socialize, cook, and are complete lazy pillow princesses in bed and don't work but would be terrible parents and like to eat Cheetos all day were universally attractive to men, and athletic extroverted baddies with social skills who like to do fun…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 01:06 PM
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Those men would struggle less if they had more active social lives and met more women. And it's not like they have to fake an interest in crochet to do it, either. Hell, playing ice hockey is one of the top ways I've come across women of late - including Gen Z women - and I'm not even trying to meet women...I'm just trying to play hockey. Get off the apps and go lead an interesting life. Women are literally everywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 12:30 PM
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You are fundamentally approaching the date from the vantage point of a simp. The purpose of the date is to have fun and get to know the other person, not to "impress" her. Dinner is also a very awkward first date. You're going to spend the first few minutes getting interrupted constantly by wait staff and having to decide on drinks, appetizers, and food. If you're trying to vibe with someone, dinner usually ain't it. Once you've gotten to know each other better and built up some rapport, then ye…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 12:26 PM
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A date can be creative and different without breaking the bank. Dinner is boring for most people. Mix it up. Go to a carnival, walk by the riverfront, sightsee on a bridge, go to a free art museum, free outdoor concert, go watch a sunset, if she's athletic have a catch or toss a football, or go to a zoo an aquarium or a nature preserve. Not every creative date has to be expensive. You start there and if it goes well can add on fun ideas based on the things you talk about that seem like a good fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 02:20 AM
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Im in my 30s and have several gen z friends including women. Just typical asocial takes on here though, most young men arent struggling virgins even in 2026 but you run with that narrative...classic Reddit
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 11:29 PM
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Reposting this here since it'll probably get buried by Reddit algorithms elsewhere in the thread otherwise: It's directed to the OP, but putting it under your post because you mention the hostels, too: Why would the man avoid the hostel? Hostels are fun as shit when you don't have any serious responsibilities in life. You'll meet a bunch of age appropriate peers, can make a bunch of temporary friends (and every once in a while might keep in touch longer term), and the staff always have tons of r…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 09:57 PM
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The worst is: "Men have to sit through boring dates where they get interrogated on their finances and jobs because if they don't, they get disqualified." "Men have to pay because otherwise women wouldn't go out with them." Like, no. Some of us just literally went on dates to have fun and good conversation, and work and income were the last things on our minds. And I always offered to pay if I asked a woman out, and if she let me, trust I wasn't losing any sleep over some first date bill which wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 09:56 PM
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Why would the man avoid the hostel? Hostels are fun as shit when you don't have any serious responsibilities in life. You'll meet a bunch of age appropriate peers, can make a bunch of temporary friends (and every once in a while might keep in touch longer term), and the staff always have tons of recommendations for cool things to do that locals actually like. Plus some hostels even serve alcohol, and since everything is 18+ in most countries, you sometimes have built in drinking companions. Plus…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 09:51 PM
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Because they're scared of rejection. There's no cost to asking out a random "hot" girl to them (aka a cold approach) because they don't have any feelings for her other than blind lust. If they actually talk to her, and like her, then if they ask her out, they lose something. So they sit and wait and friendzone themselves by not making a move, only to guarantee their failure when they "confess" - which is arguably the worst thing anyone can do since it's wildly disproportional, emotionally heavy,…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 08:24 PM
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Gen Z is just bipolar with socializing. Half are amazing at it (they just don't drink as much as millenials did), and half are completely, totally incompetent at it. Also, second the advice to host with roommates. This was always a great way to get mixed people together. And if you live in an apartment building, you can literally run into women in the hallway, mention you and your friends are having a get together, and that "we're neighbors" and invite them. Even if they don't come, nothing vent…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 08:20 PM
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Pick different hobbies that target younger people. Intramural sports are a really good one for getting 20 somethings. Pick coed sports, not all guys teams, even if it means playing at a lower level of competition. Softball, soccer, kickball, hockey, you name it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 08:16 PM
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This is generally really good advice. And yes, you want that core group that gets together. You can build that at work. There's a big difference in how most people (who tend to be followers) react when asked "Hey, do you want to get a drink after work?" vs. how they react when asked "Hey, a bunch of us are gonna grab drinks after work, you wanna come?" Build a core group, be the leader, make the plans. Don't just look around for others to invite you. Also, ironically, that will make you more not…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 08:15 PM
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You don't ask them if they have single friends. You just go to the hobby space, enjoy the hobby space, and then make plans after. Basically, mentally friendzone the women (and this is great advice for guys, because a lot of guys tend to "chase" women when they get set on liking them, which is usually offputting to the women). Over time, you may notice some of the single ones seem to warm up to you, want to spend more time with you, banter and joke and even flirt with you. Then you can ask them i…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 08:13 PM
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The thing I'd be most interested to see is if women having to initiate would make them more competitive with each other over men, and if that would gradually lead to some of the man-man issues in dating around guys "competing" for women's attention and hating each other sometimes (which we all know is usually because somebody gets jealous a guy is getting more attention than him, not because both men are inherently "competing"). And what impact, if any, being expected to approach has on the qual…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 04:10 PM
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Dude, it's not that serious. Just build a basic rapport with her, have a few low stakes/high energy fun conversations, and at the end of one ask her out. You're not labeling it "friendship" and you're certainly not "friendzoned." You can do it within a relatively short timeframe of talking to one another. Nobody's getting "friendzoned" because of 1-2 solid conversations, or sitting next to each other in class or being in the same hobby and eventually having a good convo. Guys who get "friendzone…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 04:07 PM
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All true but they can't take notice of every man's movement, smells speech etc etc. That requires paying attention to him. They pay attention to the tall attractive man, they evaluate the tall attractive man. They aren't doing that for anyone else, you can be ugly and have immaculate movement, speech smell, etc, but none of it can be seen because your looks stop anyone from observing that in you. Which is why they notice social men. Social men are out more and are much more noticeable. Women are…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 04:01 PM
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Because "bro," I made a good, clear point, and every single one of your replies in this thread has been, "um, but ACKSHUALLY" So like I said, my point stands...your insufferable attempts to try to "correct" it notwithstanding. Basic friendship does not need to be explained 500 times, dictionary definitions do not need to be added for terms in common use that are unnecessary because the point was made without them, etc. A good friend is not a sycophant who blindly "supports" their friend no matte…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 08:50 AM
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Yeah, they do. And they're just a degenerate as men about it. The idea that women have exclusively responsive desire is easily disproved when you observe how women act with the attractive men they desire. It's pretty damn spontaneous. This demonstrates a fundamental lack of understanding of how women's attraction works. For most women, mannerisms and how a man moves, speaks, smells, etc. is part of attraction. They don't just jump straight to eyefucking a man, then straight into wanting to fuck …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 08:45 AM
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That is such a Reddit reply. My point stands.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 08:32 AM
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If your friend is being an asshole, you have a duty to call it out. Thats not "berating him" its just a reality check. You do that BECAUSE theyre your friend and they need a wakeup call. I dont know why Redditors insist on making these basic and human interactions more complicated than what they are. This is friendship 101.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 12:30 AM
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Validating stupid feelings is why the manosphere and redpill spaces are full of incels seeking validation from other men about their skewed and unrealistic understandings of how women work. A good friend would call that shit out not "support" it
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 11:10 PM
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A lot of women love sports and would love to date a guy who takes her playing sports, or her opinions on sports, seriously. Dont give af about video games, but some women do I hear.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 11:02 PM
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This. People whose work is their whole personality are boring af
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 11:00 PM
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Boooring Good investing is just buying index funds and etfs anyway. Nothing exciting there.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 10:59 PM
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When your "feelings" are preventing you from taking the next logical step, then that's actually a good thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 04:59 AM
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So where should the line be drawn? Is it reasonable for a man to seek advice on becoming more attractive, confident, or desirable as a romantic partner? Yes. Is there anything inherently wrong with wanting to improve one's chances of finding love? No. Or does that pursuit risk treating women as a monolith with a single formula for attraction? Depends on how he goes about it. If he's looking for "cheat codes" to become universally attractive to women, or achieve some mythical Chad-status that rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 05:22 PM
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People inherently don't know what they want when they're young. They form preferences based on their socialization and lived experiences. Those preferences can often be incorrect, but sometimes are correct. Part of growing up is experimenting, learning, and testing previously held assumptions. Sometimes that results in doubling down on the original assumption/preference, and we call that conviction, and sometimes it results in throwing out the original assumption/preference as it's deemed to be …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 05:14 PM
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Again, not if youre a man. Then you are a manipulative sex addict monster. Women love sex. This is a weird take. They just find it weird AF when they barely know a guy and he can't keep it in his pants or not lead with lust. It's well known that humans like to fuck, and if things go well, they'll get there. It's weird when they aren't that far along and the guy needs to express that as if she doesn't know that contextually from the fact they're either already dating or already talking with the p…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 04:29 PM
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A revolution foments more hate than anything else. Every socialist revolution leads to famine, poverty, cultural decay, authoritarianism, and mass death.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 08:07 AM
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Doesn't matter, she's an adult and immaturity isn't an excuse or an explanation. It's only an excuse and an explanation for children. If she's never been in a relationship, then her being an adult doesn't matter. Her preferences aren't crystalized at 18 just because she has a birthday. Hell, her "preference" for tall men could be her friend group saying "they're so dreamy" and then when she finally dates one it's awkward so she decides to date shorter. This is literally why people date...to lear…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 08:05 AM
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IMO, time and place. I don't mind a little swearing, and I don't really have filters on any words at all. All fair game. It's only when they curse all the time, like every other word, that it's too much. Lord knows I do my fair share... If you're gonna curse a lot you'd better be really funny. Otherwise it just sounds angry, and...no thanks. Same thing with dudes as friends, too. Like, chill. Dane Cook was lame. Too much swearing is too. But when I was single, my biggest dating ick was an annoyi…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 07:40 AM
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Having conditions for dating consideration is dehumanizing doncha know. You should treat all men as equal options, interchangeable with each other and have zero personal preferences or deal-breakers. That's the only way to not objectify or dehumanize men ...which is weird because that literally would be objectification. AKA "he has a penis, he'll do" mindset. Also laughable that these guys in this sub continue to obsess over "money" and "status," which do not drive attraction. College men do gen…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 07:35 AM
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FFS, it's not "courting" her. 1960 called, they want their jargon back. It's literally just asking a woman out, but so many guys have become such neurotic nerds they don't have the balls to do that... but they spend hours tryna write phd level dissertations on Reddit about why women don't want to fuck them cuz of some obscure bs with his facial structure that I guarantee no woman has ever actually thought about. And men here routinely say that they'd have sex with women they aren't that into jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 02:18 AM
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I'm way more in touch with the current dating market than you are. Hell, a good friend of mine is 18. She's conventionally attractive, plays sports (we became friends through hockey), and she is getting ready to go to college. Had dinner with her recently because she's getting ready to move and we've fallen into almost a sister/brother dynamic. She's an awesome human being. Right now, she works in fast food. And despite that, she bought me a gift for my daughter for when she's older, and when th…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 07:16 PM
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Don't be "friends." Just get to know them, relationship undefined, and then ask them out if you feel attraction starting BEFORE you commit to a whole ass friendship. And whatever you do, don't "confess." Confessing is pathetic, disproportional behavior that signals poor emotional regulation. You are INTERESTED IN DATING HER, if she's open to it. You are NOT in love. You are NOT certain she's the one for you. You are NOT struggling to deal with your feelings because they're so overwhelming. And i…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 07:00 PM
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Not only are you confusing cause and effect, this "blame the videogames" trope has run its course. Young men are 3x more likely to be addicted to video games as women. (~33% to ~11%) 3x more likely than the overall population to be addicted to gambling. (~5% to less than ~2%) 4x more likely than women to be addicted to porn. (~12% to ~3%) So no, this trope has not "run its course" when close to half of young men have an untreated addiction and refuse to admit that it's a problem. Complete made u…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 06:58 PM
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"Becoming best friends" isn't going to build attraction. Literally just interact with them and don't be boring. Be fun and interesting, banter and flirt a little. It's really not that deep. Y'all spend more time thinking about other men than anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 06:46 PM
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The sexlessness of most young men is a huge result of the greater numbers of them - compared to previous generations - who suck at socialization and are addicted to gaming and/or gambling. Most casual sex was happening at parties, and most younger people are not getting blackout drunk like previous generations. And Gen Z may not be having ragers, but they are still getting together in groups and doing things, and they're still drinking just in more moderation. So there is a greater emphasis on r…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 05:59 PM
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Of course not, but I can't control what she feels. I can only make sure to shit her out and never let her back in if this is something she's curious about. For the best for both of us. This way she gets the shove out to justify her sleeping with the tall men it turns out she always wanted to....This wouldn't be right either, that's just a description of her downgrading. In order to tether that relationship I will have had to compensate her to overcome her dislike of my height, an immutable chara…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 05:54 PM
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You said a 5ft woman wouldn't date a 6ft tall man because if makes hugging/kissing/sex awkard. Not from conjecture, she knows that's the case. She can only know if she's explored a prior preference for 6ft tall men. Okay, and? It's 2026. Most people don't marry their "first," and if they do there's a natural tendency to be curious about others. Would you rather he date the 5'6" guy, marry him, and then wonder about taller guys once one of her friends suddenly mentions that she likes her partner'…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 05:20 PM
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So what is flirting then? You keep saying flirting is so easy and obvious men who can't do it are degenerate incels, and yet you can't even describe it yourself. I have a whole other comment on the AskMen sub about it and have posted it numerous times here. It's too long to fit into a comment replying to your comment, as it will go over the character limit when I have to respond to multiple lines of discussion within the same comment. There are also dozens of guides on the topic, not all of whic…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 05:00 PM
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Except she's still not going to talk to you if you don't pay her. The fact that there are so many men paying sex workers for "companionship" - everything from pretending to be their gf at family functions, to doing activities with him, is proof of this. It's not new, either. Hell, it was memorialized in The Catcher in the Rye in the prostitute scene by author J.D. Salinger (which he has stated was based on a fictional adaptation/depiction of himself) and that book turns 75 years old today. Try n…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:53 PM
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You literally would not be talking to the sex worker if she wasn't willing to fuck you for money. She literally would not be talking to you if you weren't willing to pay her for sex. So, yes, that's objectification.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:42 PM
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Finding them attractive is a precursor to talking to them and getting to know them. If you are literally shortcutting all that because you don't care to know them but you want to fuck them / want their money, that's when it's objectification. AKA the infamous and oft-repeated "I don't care what she does, blah blah blah, she's hot, I just want to bang her." or the "I don't care what a man looks like or thinks, as long as he's willing to spend money on me and has plans for _____ lifestyle/income"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:41 PM
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Turning this around, then a man who is sensitive that a particular woman is smart has accomplishments and goals, yet still stares at her ass would not be objectifying her. I'd agree with this, if he knows her and knows those accomplishments and goals specifically. I mean, this is literally what being a relationship is like. If I squeeze my wife's butt in the kitchen, or she grinds up against my junk when she's bending over to grab a pot from the bottom cabinet, neither of us are objectifying eac…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:36 PM
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You genuinely think all men can do when they talk to women is just endless compliment them, like verbal fellatio? Really? Most men treat women as people. Ie at work talk about work. Outside leave them alone unless you have a reason to talk to them. If friends banter with them. None of those are brain-dead compliments regurgitated at women...If banter is flirting, then the women have to banter back right? Do they? Only to attractive men. Looks are the key to making women want to notice your manne…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:32 PM
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Yup. The sports example is also a really good one. A lot of guys also just assume women don't know shit about sports, but there are some really knowledgeable sports fans out there, and if you treat women who claim to like sports as spies until they "demonstrate" knowledge to you, that's an offputting attitude. Even more extroverted guys can make that mistake and end up putting off women who they have things in common with. And that in and of itself is a failure of a social skill by a guy who oth…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:19 PM
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This should be the top comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:15 PM
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That type of objectification does happen with men, but it's usually in seeing them as free labor, paid labor, a boundless wellspring of willingness to work overtime for a bag, a meal ticket, or "useful" in the sense that they can retrieve tall/heavy objects, do handy/dangerous work, etc. Someone who is sensitive to a man's goals and other attributes besides those aimed at utility would not be objectifying him.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:13 PM
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What's weird is these constant attempts to make this about politics. Even most conservative couples are closer to 50/50 earnings and 50/50 chores than 100/0 earnings and 0/100 chores. Most couples have been two working parents in the United States for over 50 years. Meanwhile, the subset of younger men that are truly lost are literally taking dating advice from failed 50 year olds who never found a partner and are clinging to paradigms that at best are from the Boomers, and at worst are from the…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 03:50 PM
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Generally agree. They also come off as nonchalant because they think it's attractive to women or will make them chase, but in reality it's woman-repellent. I'm friends with several Gen Z women despite being a millennial myself, and they all HATE it. It's giving low ambition/low energy for life. Plus lots of women read, and these guys would rather watch a two hour movie and sixteen hours of "fan content" about their favorite stories than read books. And when they do read books, it's exclusively n…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 03:40 PM
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Thank you. Incels are so obsessed with this completely delulu notion that women decide to date/fuck/relationship/marry guys based off pictures alone, and it's so wildly off base.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 03:32 PM
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Are you going to respond to the point that flirting is a mutual activity? You are shitting on men for being bad at flirting, but they can't flirt at women who don't want to flirt with them. Its the fact that women aren't open to flirting with them that stops flirting from happening...If what you are saying is true most men, including average men would be walking Casanova's who go out and flirt with multiple women a night, every night. Does that happen? Does it fuck...So go on then. How does an a…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 03:31 PM
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What is flirting then? As far as I'm back tell.its just having a normal conversation with a woman with mutual escalation and pushing of boundaries. Again, this means that you can't flirt as an ugly man because firstly, women won't be open to you flirting with them, and secondly, women won't respond in kind and flirt back. And flirting is like conversing, dating, having sex, or having a relationship. They can only be done with someone who responds in kind. If you're ugly, you can't flirt, obvious…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:53 PM
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If you cannot grasp the very simple concepts I'm explaining because you want to cling to some near autistic level of expounding on a simple point that both I and the previous poster agreed with long ago, then you can continue to do so in an echo chamber. Three simple facts remain: Having good parents is not a deterministic predictor of success in adulthood, or non-inceldom. Having bad parents is not a deterministic predictor of failure in adulthood, or inceldom. Children have little to no contro…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:27 PM
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So women can fall back on their attractiveness I their youth and know they have something to offer, whilst can fall back on the complete graveyard of their youth when they're at their best and conclude correctly that they're fucked. Men routinely tell women here that attractiveness isn't enough to secure a relationship. Ask men who dated hot/crazy if t was worth committing. So no, attraction isn't (and never was) enough. She's going to feel better and more comfortable with the the attractive man…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:22 PM
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How is that "traditional masculinity?" Guys who want to be nurses or veterinarians were widely considered closeted until a few years ago ("why don't you want to be a doctor?"). And such behaviors are still seen as "gay" or "women's work" in some places. And insecure dudes worry about being seen as predators or "gay' when they engage in nursing/caring behaviors as those are typically associated with femininity. These just read as people with weird gendered notions of competence and confidence. Co…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:08 PM
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Legit. Unfortunately the rising prevalence of video game addiction...particularly in young men who are 3 times as likely to be video game addicted as young women...means more and more boys and young men are falling into that 2nd category, and they react like toddlers if you suggest doing anything with their free time other than gaming. Especially on a place like Reddit. Meanwhile, that's a whole full-time job's worth of hours every week (often more) that they're pouring into not meeting any wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 12:57 PM
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Yup. Classic RP used to view guys that chronically complained as sub-humans, and used to ridicule them endlessly to try and snap them out of it. It understood that complaining isn't attractive, as it either elicits pity (which is exclusive to any kind of sexual response in anyone who isn't a predator) or disinterest.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 12:52 PM
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id like to give men a bit more credit here. i dont think men think for sure, TRP is going to just have women jumping at them, its cartoonish. and id say asmall group of them, like shes responsible for her own pleasure. I disagree with this take, though. If these men were truly "red pill", then they wouldn't sperg out so hard when confronted with basic principles of RP like "learning how to talk to women" (because it's different than how men talk to each other), or the constant rage and screechin…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 12:51 PM
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Feminine men are hated because the people who use these "gendered traits" language associate femininity with incompetence, weakness, and helplessness and masculinity with competence, capability, and strength. However competence, capability, and strength are not gendered. The men who are derided for being "feminine" (or, more accurately, "soft") fail at competence, capability, and strength. It's 2026. Women can be athletic, strong, and capable...and men can be loving, nurturing, and conscientious…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 09:14 PM
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You can interact with women fine knowing there's no potential for attraction. Being sociable doesn't mean you're attractive. Being attractive just means women want to socialise with not as friends. And that does happen unconsciously within a second. This discounts the role of mannerisms, socialism, and how a man makes a woman feel in driving women's attraction. Women's attraction is by and large not the same as men's. They don't look at a man and decide they want to fuck him, and then do everyth…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 08:27 PM
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Nobody here is talking about making friends, of course you talk to people you get on with. But as soon as you are on a bout a sexual encounter or a relationship, value judgements happen. This isn't about making friends at all. This is about getting to know each other, which generally precedes attraction for most women since most aren't visual only. This is literally one of the biggest reasons some guys are falling behind here. "Chads" understand they need to interact with women to elicit attract…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 07:30 PM
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This I believe, but they're only actively looking amongst a subset of men. If you are not amongst the subset of men, nothing you can do is of value to them. If nothing you do is of value, why bother entertaining them? Theyd be as nonchalant as the men they are moaning about (which is a common theme, decrying actions only when its men doing it) Most women just interact normally with men, unless those men are strangers, and then they treat them identical to how people treat panhandlers. They aren'…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 06:29 PM
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And you believe them when they say that? How gullible do you need to be? If one of them said they found you attractive would you also believe that? That would be weird seeing as they all know I'm married. These are friends and have no incentive to lie to me. Many of them are actively looking for boyfriends and tired of dealing with nonchalant slackers who smoke weed and game all day. You should try speaking to women, or even reading what they have to say and that's never actually the case. No wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 05:40 PM
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That doesn't mean the wealth is the cause of that. It's well known that poor people don't take care of their health. A poor person is far more likely to be overweight/obese, have missing/removed teeth, haggard skin, or to behave in ways that are socially unattractive to, say, middle class women who represent the majority. Correlation is not causation. Also, including Chinese populations in a dataset with Western populations is...a choice. There are very different factors at play there, including…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 05:21 PM
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Nah, that's actually not true at all. Tons of attractive young women who haven't been on a date or had sex in a year or more. It's kind of sad how socially stunted most young men are these days. It's apparent the more I talk to friends and the like, or see how those generations interact that dating today would absolutely be easy mode compared to previous gens. I mean, I'm not even that far out of it (and I'm still helping friends with it), and there are beautiful women just begging to be asked o…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 05:10 PM
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The difference is that women's attraction is deeply subjective and more contextual than visual. Most women can think a guy is attractive, but it isn't actionable until she gets to know him at least a little bit, where his mannerisms and personality will either supercharge that attraction or kill it. This is yet another reason why dating apps are complete shit. Because many women literally won't know if they find a guy attractive from pics, coupled with the fact that most guys take horrible pics,…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:53 PM
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Lose weight is good advice for overweight dudes. Just like scrawny dudes could stand to add a little muscle. But career doesn't arouse women. It's all about how he makes her feel which is a combination of looks, mannerisms, and personality - which is best described as a mix of fun, conversational compatibility, compatible humor, and openness to the right kinds of new experiences as willingness to share ones of his own that interest her. It is NOT how nice he is, money, or his job.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:49 PM
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Women also have to convey interest, even if they don't make the first move. Nonchalant women also get left behind.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:45 PM
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Yup and most younger women hate the nonchalant thing. Most of them want guys to ask them out and be generally socially aware...they just don't want to be pedestalized or built up into some manic pixie dream girl fantasy. And if their answer is no because they're not into him, they want him to accept it gracefully and move on, and stop trying to "impress" her to change her mind. The nonchalant thing is giving disinterest, not calm/laidbackness, and that's why it's just those men shooting themselv…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:44 PM
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IDK, I love women and have never seen straight men IRL think about other men as much as incels and dudes in this sub. Literally give 0 fucks about male celebrities, only care about athletes inasmuch as I follow sports and since I follow both men's and women's sports, I follow the careers of both. It's lowkey weird. However, unless these dudes are getting aroused by other men and not telling anyone, I suspect it's more pedestalizing the attributes of desirable men and wishing they could be them m…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:01 PM
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You are arguing for a 1:1 causation/correlation. That's simply not the case. And at this point you're just repeating yourself, not adding any new points. What you are presenting is a very black and white understanding of things that fails to consider the complexity of human behavior. The presence of weak children from loving homes is proof that your assumption is incorrect. It is up to the individual to make the most of the circumstances of their childhood. There can be correlation without direc…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:58 PM
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Again, people's outcomes are not predetermined. There are very clear reasons why an 18 year old who withstands abuse grows up strong anyway. There are also very clear reasons why an 18 year old with ineffective but well meaning and non-abusive parents can grow up either weak or strong, and very clear reasons why an 18 year old with terrible abusive parents ends up as a complete failure of an adult. The point is those things are factors that individuals can control through mindset. The abuse isn'…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 01:30 PM
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This shit reminds me of when I was getting my graduate certificate in an engineering school, and like half of the people in the program had no social skills and every single individual project for them was a study in "but, robots..." to solve modern problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 09:52 AM
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Other than that, you are correct, good parents (I have no idea why you are using parentheses like that; are you trying to imply that they aren't actually good parents, or you don't know how to use parentheses correctly?) don't guarantee someone won't be weak, but they increase the odds off that immensly and bad parents don't guarantee someone will be helpless but they increase the odds of that immensly. Those are quotes, not parentheses. There are plenty of perfectly decent parents who do not gi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 09:29 AM
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You are literally arguing about a supposed past in this entire thread. So yes, arguing that one set of circumstances suggests a specific outcome is limiting (I assume that's what you meant since lamenting appears to be misused in your post) personal agency. The point is that shitty parents don't predetermine one to a bad outcome. The outcome is up to the INDIVIDUAL. You're arguing a point that literally doesn't matter. "Good parents" don't guarantee someone won't be weak. "Bad parents" don't gua…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 09:58 PM
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The point is that women enjoy sex. And if you think they don't, that reflects on you. Been there done that with the party lifestyle when I was younger. Fun for the most part, but after a while you're ready for something more. I'm married to a woman who loves sex with me. I don't need to be trolling clubs to get what I already have at home. And checking Reddit while I'm multitasking at work is hardly taking away from the quality of my life considering that there's really not a whole lot else to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 04:23 PM
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Telling on yourself bro
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 03:39 PM
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Assuming I was still single: No. #4. If she "hates capitalism" she's not "left leaning" she's a leftist, and probably a fucking socialist, which is an absolute dealbreaker for me. #1 I prefer an above average face (or better) and above average/athletic physique, and nothing about her personality says that this would be less important given her lifestyle (see 7 below). #7 I also like an active lifestyle and while I can appreciate art, culture, and history, the lack of any physically active hobbie…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 03:36 PM
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I'm not romanticizing shit. If you understood anything about life, you'd understand that children don't control their surroundings. You have two options as an adult: own your life and take control, or blame others. You can't go back and "undo" your toxic upbringing. So you either fix it, or you give people that failed you power over the rest of your life... ...or you blame them for every single failure that only YOU (and not them) will have to personally live out and experience while they ambiva…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 03:31 PM
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Funny, once I was old enough to have sex...women wanted to have sex with me WITHOUT me whipping my dick out and begging for attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 03:27 PM
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Bro... No they most certainly do not.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 01:58 PM
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Responding to this because the other poster didn't (and seems to have disappeared), and because I also hated being asked about career/income kinds of questions on first dates directly, or early on in a conversation. I usually preferred low stakes stuff that could showcase a personality and lighten the mood early on. "Vanilla or chocolate ice cream?" "Beach, lake, mountain, or city vacation?" "Would you rather pick up a new sport, learn a musical instrument, write a book, or dance in front of 500…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 01:56 PM
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That's an extremely literal (and possibly neurodivergent) take on something that is ultimately about free will. I mean, is a child - the most unconditional human relationship that can exist - transactional because the parents exchange resources and care for the experience of raising a child and possible eldercare, and the child exchanges loyalty for 18 years of mostly free living? Guarantee no child or parent actually thinks that way. What distinguishes transacational relationships from...relati…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 01:33 PM
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funnel their earnings to a random psychologist to solve their unresolved issues stemming from parental abuse. Actually the people who do that are far more likely to grow from it and succeed in spite of their upbringing, which is kind of the point here in preaching "not being a victim of circumstances you can't control and allowing them to hold power over you for your entire life." The ones who "fail" are often the ones complaining on the internet about how everything is so hard to total stranger…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 01:25 PM
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Sounds like those guys are just trying to buy the attention of women who really aren't into them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 10:19 PM
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Funny. Women always took turns paying on dates with me, have bought me things in relationships or done me favors, and my wife still buys me gifts and takes turns taking me out too. 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 09:24 PM
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More leftist propaganda on Reddit. Data shows that political extremism of all kinds is tied to struggles with dating. But go off...
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 08:44 PM
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They don't affect everyone. And even if I grant you the premise that this is some widespread problem, you're not going to affect societal level change by screaming into internet voids. Just reject the paradigm. Reject transactional relationships. Eventually transactional daters will give up when being repeatedly shot down, or they'll change their approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 08:17 PM
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Observation, talking to both men and women in trusted spaces, stress testing assertions vs. observations, the filter of my own experiences and trying different things, and maintaining an open and intellectually/emotionally curious demeanor even as I have things apparently "figured out" to always look for ways to expand my understanding or adapt to changes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 08:11 PM
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Have you ever considered the possibility why, in a world teeming with male desire, those women are at single events instead of already on dates with guys? Now apply the same logic to men who exclusively try to "meet" women online. Far better to have an active lifestyle complete with social life, which will naturally put you across the paths of many (more desirable) women that you can interact with organically and ask out after you get to know them a little once you both confirm the vibe is right…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 07:30 PM
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The presence of progressive parents doesn't negate my points. It's 2026. Most relationships across the political spectrum are not transactional, and it's only a very loud, very online, very vocal minority of bitter and jaded people who advocate for transactional relationships. And there is no clear poltical leaning to the people advocating for these toxic relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 07:13 PM
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No, lots of conservatives meet off personality and looks...and most conservative relationships feature two working adults raising children together with a partnership dynamic. Your post just sounds like someone who wants to push a political agenda under the guise of dating "advice" or someone who hasn't updated the paradigm of what "conservative" means since 1960.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 07:08 PM
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Nah this isn't about politics at all. This is usually about hurt people who don't have much to offer so they try to treat the one thing they kinda sorta have a little of as a commodity that they can barter and exchange for a different perceived "commodity." It's probably more common in foreign cultures that encourage "practical" relationships with no attraction or compatibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 07:02 PM
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Struggle is good and necessary. But the parents don't need to be the reason for the struggle to exist in the first place, and in fact it's often better for the kids if the parents aren't the reason for the struggle's existence. Signed, I didn't have the best parents but figured it out anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 06:38 PM
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It's easier to just not date people who think of sex or money as a reward or as gold stars to exchange for the reward.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 06:36 PM
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You are talking about exceptions to the rule. In general, women ARE more attracted to men who either currently have money or have "ambition" or some other code word that equates to 'will have money later' No, they're not. Money is not the driver of attraction. Looks (in a general sense that includes mannerisms) and personality are. Shared goals is a compatibility screen for longer term commitment, and money fits into that inasmuch as it supports the desired lifestyle under shared goals (which is…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 06:05 PM
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And I never said there was. But there is a difference between a generally supportive home that doesn't give the kids tools for confidence or handling bullies, and one that teaches the very important life lessons that I talked about in my comments. One is ineffective but well intentioned. The other is effective and well intentioned. But also, there are more than two options here. Abusive parents can either produce really self-reliant kids with scars, or hapless failed adults. Helicopter parents s…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 05:58 PM
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The issue is that we had that system in America, predicated by being the world's exporter in the wake of WW2's devastation, but then we sold out because we allowed special interests to lust after 1 billion Chinese people* willing to work for cheap and a hostile government that the globalists thought would open up when granted access to free markets, and we sold out the golden goose in the name of cheap plastic crap to a government that hates us and wants to replace us while simultaneously allowi…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 05:29 PM
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Children can learn to handle adversity in controlled environments that still teach the same life lessons but with less debilitating challenges. A child on a sports team can learn how to deal with a difficult teammate or coach, for example, to compartmentalize from their love of the sport, and to establish a camaraderie among the team to get through it until the next year when the coach changes or that teammate will no longer be there. They will encounter their own physical and mental limits and …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 05:18 PM
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I assumed the OP was talking about men she recently met, since she didn't say anything about having a partner. However, even within a relationship, there should be reciprocation. My wife buys me stuff from time to time, but it's stuff I want (or it's something I'm contempating buying for myself and she says "let me get this for you"). And I do the same for her. I'm not just giving gifts randomly that are things I like to her. And there's a balance to it. I think if the gifts aren't things that t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 04:57 PM
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Let's start by addressing your clear attempt to shame men by implying every guy could be attractive but isn't putting in the work to become attractive (their "skill issue"). A core manosphere axiom is that women are born with their value (youth beauty, etc) while men have to earn their value (money, status, etc). This "axiom" is bullshit though. Money doesn't make women attracted to a guy. It makes gold diggers fake-attracted to a guy. I don't accept the above as a premise, and therefore it's ir…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 04:10 PM
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Women really see "cold approachers" as panhandlers. That's really the closest comparison. Who you are more likely to give $5 to? A panhandler that sees you and gives you a generic compliment, then immediately asks for $5? Someone you get to know mutually who never asks you for anything, then one day finds themselves $5 short and sheepishly asks if you have $5 after you've spent countless hours talking, hanging out, and having a good time? It's the same thing with dating. Women are way more likel…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 03:43 PM
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Yeah, usually you just ask them out and if the answer isn't an enthusiastic yes, you just move on. Asked out multiple coworkers when I was single, never really had an issue. And clearly it's still being done...hell a buddy I play hockey with brought four women from his job with him to watch him play and hung out with them all after (3 were her friends and one is the one he's talking to) and they all showed up and had a good time and even joked around with the rest of us too, though the two of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 03:39 PM
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I'm talking about the men who buy into the cope that the "reason" they're "more attractive" in their 30s is wealth and income. It isn't. If you're responding to a different point, that's not what I'm talking about at all. Men aren't better looking on the wrong side of 35, and aren't more attractive. Money doesn't make pussies wet. And if a guy spends his 20s chasing a bag and missing out on a fun, independent decade because he's working, he's never going to get that back with his peers, and peop…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 03:31 PM
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Gifts are nice if they are thoughtful and personal, and somehow situationally appropriate. "Showering" with gifts, however? Seems a little too much.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 02:52 PM
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There's no useful "feedback." Feedback is for when there's a way forward or out of a situation. Like I said, loser's mindset. There is ALWAYS a way forward or out of a situation that doesn't involve self-harm. There's nothing to be learned from someone having a target drawn upon them, where they are simply 'the loser' , or the universally agreed upon punching bag to all and sundry in a situation for 6-8 hours a day where there's no escape. Sure there is. Growing stronger, being firmer with bound…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 02:51 PM
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Celebrities are an outlier, and if it wasn't for corporate hero worship, TMZ culture, etc. I think few would really care about how they do. The thing you realize is that most celebrities are just connected through family, etc. and there is little in looks to distinguish a famous Hollyweird actress from an insanely attractive ordinary woman who works a regular job. Money really isn't the flex guys think it is. I've seen trust fund, prep school kids with no social skills fumbling women in bars lef…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 02:14 PM
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Younger people in general tend to have clearer/smoother skin and better/thicker hair. There are generally exceptions but this is why the stereotype persists. Also, statistically, while many younger people can be overweight/obese, more older people will be overweight/obese. All of this holds true for both women and men and is why younger people are generally considered more attractive. Looks do change and ultimately fade for everyone (at different rates), but it's less noticeable when you see som…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 01:59 PM
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Not really. You learn that the only reward for good work is more work. Yeah, you might get more pay, but after a while the money doesn't really mean much. Once you have enough to live comfortably, more doesn't matter. Especially if you work in a job where you don't have control of your own schedule. Most people end up looking for work-life balance and flexibility in middle age and later years, which is why remote work remains all the rage and companies pushing high control return to work are str…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 01:44 PM
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The issue with this take is that it's way too simplistic. Teenage years are also messy. Kids are discovering who they are, sometimes have to be mean to learn to enforce boundaries or figure out where they fit in things, but it's not always mean, targeted, and sustained. Plus it's common for kids to tease or make fun of each other, and it even goes on among the popular kids. Most teenagers would probably say they've been "picked on" at some point, or had some kind of falling out or drama with a f…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 01:38 PM
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Yup, legit. Plus a lot of younger guys don't really know what they're looking for and sometimes they're just horny. "Post nut clarity" is a thing unfortunately and sometimes you can just realize you never really liked someone all that much, but still acknowledge that something that started as a hookup was fun, but you don't really want to do it again. I think a general sense of trust and safety and liking the other person outside of the bedroom is actually the best environment for good sex, and …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 09:20 AM
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The topic sounds good, but the body of the text is horrible and all over the place. If you wanted to fix this post and have it read as a truism, this would have been the body of your post: "Men want attention. Women have attention, and don't want it." With a little life experience, you'll see it this way. Men: Imagine that from the moment you turn 12 and the first signs of puberty appear on you - a fledgling beard or mustache, leg hair, etc. you are given female attention every time you leave th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 09:10 AM
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There is equality in dating. Both men and women have equal rights and OPPORTUNITY in dating. You're asking for equity: equality of results. This is essentially sexual socialism and by nature would inhibit choice, because people are already choosing freely since men and women have the same rights in dating. People not having kids is largely about access to single family homes. Most people don't envision raising kids in a shitty urban school district that buses in people from bad socioeconomic nei…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 08:44 AM
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It's basically a women's version of the manosphere. And I'm not saying that your post falls under it...it actually doesn't. For example, FDS explicitly advises women to make sure men spend money on her, etc. all while withholding sex for a predetermined amount of time in order for him to "prove" he's serious about her. It's terrible advice for building a real connection, and in fact will only ensure that bad men who are truly desperate stick around. And your post actually hits on some of the rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 08:40 AM
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Most of us don't want women's "submission." Someone who submits is weak. I don't want to raise kids with someone weak. I want a Mama Bear who will kill to protect them if she has to when I'm not around, who will model fierce independence and self-reliance, and teach them to make her way in the world confidently. I want someone who carries her weight, so that I don't have another dependent in the person who is supposed to help me with the dependents. Someone who is a force multiplier for my own w…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 08:37 AM
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Ironically, the radicalization will create a Taliban like policing of women's sexuality which will mean more men will struggle to get laid, and beautiful women will not be able to showcase their beauty. These "radicalized" men are more about denying other men the experiences that come with women's liberation than they are about bettering themselves. It's like socialists. They'd rather make everyone else poor to support a state with no rich people (except, of course, the government and favored en…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 08:28 AM
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100%. I really think the lie that men gain attractiveness on the wrong side of the 30 is really just propaganda to get frustrated men slaving away for their employers with the misguided thinking that their wallets will someday attract women when money has literally never made a vagina wet ever. It's just a formula to be used by a gold digger, or to piss away what's left of his prime focusing on all the wrong things, and not the reasons he's unattractive which often go beyond just looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 08:22 AM
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Usually one of several reasons: Over reliance on dating apps. They don't meet a lot of women IRL. They don't do interesting things with their life, so they have nothing to connect with high quality women over. No interests or conversation topics, no good stories, no good places to go, no interesting foods to eat, no interesting books they've read or podcasts they've listened to, no music/movie/exhibit recommendations, no pre-existing hobbies to invite her to try, etc. They don't communicate well…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 08:18 AM
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The far-left have destroyed many things, but dating isn't one of them. That was largely done by the Match Group. Politics and dating really aren't as closely related as Reddit ideologues want it to be, but that's just because they're trying to use dating struggles to drum up support for their "side" of a larger political debate that has already grown too big for its britches.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 08:03 AM
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"Female Dating Strategy" aka "Red Pill" but targeted towards women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 06:43 AM
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Also ghosting needs to be one sided. If two people go on a date and neither communicates that's not a ghost. It only becomes ghosting when one person sends that next message and the other never replies. In that situation, the person who's worried about being "ghosted" should just send the next message, and it only becomes ghosting if the other person ignores it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 12:52 AM
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IMO it's not ghosting if you've rejected someone multiple times and they continue to argue about it. Ghosting is only when you stop communicating without ever telling the other person you're not interested in continuing. You also don't owe the other person an explanation. "After careful thought, I don't want us to continue to see each other" is more than enough to end something. If they demand and explanation and you don't reply, that's not ghosting. Situations where ghosting is justified: You h…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 12:34 AM
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"Loose lips sink glass houses."
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 11:54 PM
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Excellent post and should required reading for anyone who ascribes to FDS.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 10:58 PM
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Enjoying attention from people outside of the marriage is fine. It's validating. And most people are going to encounter this at some point, particularly if they're good looking. Actively pursuing it, encouraging it once it's been identified, or actually cheating is not. As for reactions to it, I agree with the other poster who said that a little jealousy can often be a sign of a healthy relationship (because you care), but that boundaries are important and disrespect of the marriage or the partn…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 07:09 AM
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I reflected on this at some point in my early 20s shortly before I'd met my wife when I'd started to notice a pattern among women I tended to end up in relationships with. I've always had a few "types" that ran closely together. Shorter, cute-faced, brunette or dirty blonde, big-eyed, athletic Caucasian women who would often appear shy at first but who had a quiet confidence, a rich inner world, were great conversationalists, loved to try new things, and usually had a fairly all-encompassing cur…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 07:02 AM
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They tried to give you a 2nd chance to see if there was something there and when the 2nd date had the same vibe as the first, confirmed "no spark" because they still weren't having fun
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 01:25 AM
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No its that paying for one apartment and phone/internet bill on two incomes is a higher savings rate than paying for 2 apartments and 2 internet/phone bills, among other economies of scale.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 01:21 AM
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Sex is a fun activity two people do when they're attracted to and trust each other or (in some cases) when the attraction overrides the need for trust. It's not that serious. By making it into something so much bigger than it is, you are pedestalizing it. It's no wonder incels get so in their heads about literally just having a conversation with a woman or asking her out when every single word out of her mouth is treated as a universal and objectively factual referendum on his global sexuality b…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 01:42 PM
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It's not "different for men". It's different for men who commit to women they don't actually like for access to sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 01:38 PM
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With the right woman, a relationship does not mean loss of money. It means economies of scale that reduce expenses for both partners. Granted, that's not a reason to enter a relationship with someone who isn't a good fit, but it's a benefit of entering into one with someone who is. Married men usually have higher wealth than single men, in fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 01:36 PM
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They did not have fun. They were being polite.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 06:19 AM
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Many-party systems in the EU also suck. I'd probably prefer to see the abolition of political parties altogether and candidates have to individually stand on their own positions and policy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 01:38 PM
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I'm not threatening anyone with anything. You're missing the point that your outcomes in dating are ultimately your own, and I don't actually care about the outcome. Believe me, I have better things to do than "coerce" you into sleeping with some loser. I don't care to help some manipulator get his dick wet, and I have no vested interest in you remaining single and frustrated. It is simply a cause and effect statement: Every year millions of men and women get into happy, healthy, relationships. …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 01:37 PM
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Yes, some inexperienced women can get deceived by love bombing. Most women get deceived once, then never again. People learn and they grow. Your point is? You think if she likes the fake act and falls for you, you're gonna be able to sustain it for 50 years? You just gonna pretend to be really into crochet for the rest of your life because she said she likes it? You think that's gonna be a real relationship where the guy ever feels the "peace" most guys want in a relationship? Two things are gon…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 01:30 PM
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"No spark" Is about not being able to flirt, or engaging in male-male communication patterns on dates which women perceive as disinterest. It's not about "performing." It's about going on a date, acknowledging it's a date and the tension in the room, and then not sitting there and talking about your job for 2 hours or "what you're looking for" for two hours. Spark is about having fun together and laughing, with tension in the background. Flirting is a social skill and the "struggling" guys here …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 01:24 PM
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Because a job interview isn't dating, because we need money to live, and a job is paying me to work for them. Furthermore, I work FOR an employer, but in all my relationships I work WITH my partner. And for those of us who value commitment, I'd drop an employer at the drop of a hat if the workplace culture turned toxic or inhibited the rest of my life, whereas with a partner you at least make a commitment to make a serious effort to work through almost all issues except for major ones like infid…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 01:22 PM
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Again, read a history book. The exact shit in your previous post is used to drive ideological compliance with agendas that often have unpopular components to them, including ones that violate individual rights and lead to mass-scale atrocities, on the premise of "if you're not with us, you're against us" and is and has been used historically within party structures to enforce ideological compliance across entire platforms on the basis of one issue. That's not how politics or individuals should w…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 04:59 PM
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I have never had to coerce anyone to have sex. The fact that you view sex as a degrading act means you have an unhealthy relationship with it. That alone disqualifies you from relationships with good men. Clearly, you've been hurt. But rather than heal, your tendency to feed into "femcel narratives" will only hold you back. And just like incels who buy into their incel crap, it will keep you frustrated bitter and coming back for more, which will come in the validation from your gender agreeing w…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 04:52 PM
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No, that's extremist rhetoric, and how you get some of the worst atrocities in human history. Read a history book.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 04:46 PM
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Ironically when you drop the attitude that you have to "perform" around women, you'll be more relaxed around them, more secure, more confident, and often more attractive. So, no, you don't have to "perform" around women. You just have to be decent company. Women can tell when a guy tenses up, puts on his game face, and starts chasing. It repels them. They can see the nervous, angry, jealous, possessive glances when another guy talks to a woman he's crushing on. They can see the way he seems to s…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 04:45 PM
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I mean, Roe v Wade being overturned was a major setback to women's perceptions of their own rights, even if they live in a state where nothing changed for them. It stands to reason that takes a pre-eminent place in the minds of most women voters since it's a more pressing issue than many of the other things that are commonly debated. However, on this, the polling is pretty clear. Leftism isn't nearly as popular when actual policy is discussed as Reddit would have people think. And "abortion righ…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 04:36 PM
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I disagree with this because most people's politics are not binary. Most people hold a mix of liberal and conservative viewpoints. Most people are against gender ideology in schools and allowing biological males to compete in women's sports, but support state and federally recognized gay marriage and allowing adults to do what they want with their own bodies (including being generally pro-choice except in late-term situations where a fetus is viable and neither the mother nor the pregnancy are a…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 04:21 PM
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That transactional quid pro quo attitude is completely offputting to men. I've been in mediocre relationships, great relationships, and have a marriage that is over 10 years now and still going strong where we're still as into each other as we were in the beginning. I can guarantee a "quid pro quo" attitude towards sex that views it as a reward would be offputting not just to me but to any good man who has a healthy relationship with his own sexuality and is looking to connect with a woman. And …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 02:50 PM
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Sex is not a "reward" for men. That attitude repels good men or anyone who has a healthy relationship with their own sexuality. Are more thoughtful dates a "reward" for women? This is what I mean about making relationships transactional. And it's not just about sex, it's about everything. I've been in good relationships and mediocre relationships over the years, and my marriage is still going strong after over a decade. Guaranteed anything that felt transactional or quid pro quo was an automatic…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 02:44 PM
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It tells women to make relationships transactional to weed out "bad" men when all that does is weed out the good ones. It tells women to withhold sex not to see who pressures them (which would be a valid strategy to out fuckboys or guys there for the hookup), but rather to enforce arbitrary timelines and quid pro quo dating dynamics that turn sex into a reward for being a "good boy" which inherently devalues sex as "something women give men" rather than something two people enjoy together. Most …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 01:26 PM
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These blackpilled takes are so weird. They can all be boiled down to "hot people can do whatever tf they want and women will still want them and enjoy it" and "ugly people can't do anything without women hating it and it being a turnoff." That really isn't how people work. That's usually just how shallow dudes interact with women (shutting out the fat one), and most women clock it immediately and reject those dudes because women are looking for how men treat people who aren't in a position to of…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 01:21 PM
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While I generally agree with this, humor can be attractive. But only certain types of humor. Witty one liners are funny, as long as they're delivered organically and not excessively. Being able to identify and laugh at the absurd is a skill and can signal social awareness, intelligence, and quick thinking. Even puns and cringe jokes can be endearing if delivered with a healthy dose of irony/sarcasm. That said, yes, a guy constantly telling jokes looking for the woman's approval will come off as …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 08:55 AM
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And that makes FDS just as wrong as the redpillers bleating on about "hurr durr women only want men for their money" who can't figure out why dressing like an intern with their six figure CS jobs isn't getting them laid when their only avenue for meeting women is online dating, their only hobbies are gaming and gym, they lack social skills, and they have the personality of a block of concrete. FDS is effectively Good Man Repellent.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 08:22 AM
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As one of the posters who OP is likely referring to in the OP (since a lot of men's unattractiveness IS a skill issue) I fully agree w/this. You live and you learn and grow. Women's attractiveness is also a skill issue and many overlooked women can benefit from a glow up or working on social skills, too. ..or they can turn to FDS brainrot and become transactional and finance obsessed and wonder why all the "good men" seem to have left their dating pool. 🤷‍♂️ all of it is a skill issue IMO. We ea…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 05:29 AM
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But when you're in a relationship with someone you like, you're still getting something out of that time together even when you're not "getting pussy." Sex just becomes one of many activities you enjoy together, but the time together is still valuable/enjoyable without sex. "Have to spend a lot of time with" a woman you like is a weird way of phrasing something that should still be enjoyable even when sex isn't happening at that exact moment. Guys who have zero relationship experience mostly jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 10:38 PM
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Flirting IS an expression of interest. It's a socially accepted way of expressing interest. You don't flirt with people you aren't interested in. You grey rock them. Just because a dude is bad at it, or thinks it's stupid, doesn't negate the fact that it's the way most people signal interest to one another. Intentionally omitting it in favor of explicit declarations of interest comes off robotic, socially stunted, and awkward...and most people don't like it, even if it's less lewd than the examp…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 10:33 PM
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IMO, YMMV with this. Befriending women is absolutely helpful, but the behaviors that cause a guy to get "friendzoned" are usually specific unattractive things that men are doing, so men shouldn't practice them. What they should do is drop the expectation that they're out to get a girlfriend and just socialize with women. Leave the nature of the connection undefined. Don't rush to label it friendship, just be in the moment. Sometimes doing that will lead to women being more forward or expressing …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 09:46 PM
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That's a lot of words to claim that men are helpless passengers in life who are beholden completely and irretrievably to the genetic circumstances of their birth and nothing else. What a bleak outlook...a world with no free will. I feel very sad for you and the mental gymnastics you've come up with to justify such a depressing worldview.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 09:37 PM
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You keep expanding “skill issue” until it basically means everything in life. If everything from money to geography to mental health is just “skill,” then the word loses any actual meaning and just becomes a label for outcomes you don’t like. ...Or, alternatively, men actually have the power to upgrade their station in life. And aren't helpless victims. “No women interested” gets treated like direct proof of personal failure, instead of considering filtering, visibility, or the fact that attract…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 08:16 PM
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lol ok...I have no idea what the previous poster thinks that has to do with dating though!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 08:08 PM
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By not attaching importance to the outcome. These guys need to stop going out with the goal of "get a girlfriend." Go out with the goal of "have a good time with my buddies at the bar, talk to a few women, and have at least one decent conversation with a group of them where I elicit a laugh, even if nothing happens." Start from there until conversation with women is easy. Then switch up the goal to introduce banter or flirting. Make "practice" exercises around things that are failure points from…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 08:06 PM
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There's no muddying of anything. Tell a woman who's flirting with you "I think you're hot, you have nice tits, and I want to put my penis in you and ejaculate" and watch her run for the hills. Flirting builds sexual tension that then wants to be released. What you're advocating for beats it back out of the room with the ugly stick and kills it forever. And I'm using "autistic level take" because if a guy isn't neurodivergent and actually thinks this, he needs a fucking reality check and there's …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 07:03 PM
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Ouch. Doesn't mean it isn't a thing, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 06:56 PM
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Grooming and fitness improve presentation, not baseline facial structure, height, bone structure, or aging trajectory. Again, nobody is thinking about that except plastic surgeons and incels. There are millions of women, some attractive, some average, some quite ugly. If a guy literally can't get ANY women interested in him, that is not a "ceiling." That is a skill issue. Income being “simple tasks done well” is just not how economies or upward mobility work in real life. If it were that easy, i…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 06:53 PM
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Nah they simply can't wrap their brain around women being attracted to men, because they are miserable company and have nothing going for them...and rather than fix that, they make it about everything else. They rage about women's obsession with "Chad" believing everything attractive about Chad to be looks, genetics, etc. but ignore the role of personality entirely. Then they write this whole creative narrative around Chad that he's rich, has high status, etc. and then write stupid crap like "wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:38 PM
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i don't even know what the fuck this means. dragon balls? is that supposed to mean something? the position of the moon? Literally just exist in the world and meet women. Stop expecting them to fall in love with you because you have a picture on a dating app, and this will magically all make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:34 PM
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Autistic level take. Direct statements of desire for an outcome isn't flirting. It comes off exactly as I said two comments ago. Flirting is suggestive and builds tension, and an interested women will reciprocate. Still a skill issue if a guy doesn't get this and thinks leading with unconstrained lust will do anything, it'll just get him rejected for being a creep. 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:32 PM
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The fact that you think this means you fundamentally don't understand what flirting is.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:18 PM
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It's of little consequence. Women hyper-fixate on things that are genetic, such as height and bone structure. "Face" in general is really important. And if you look at the men who are partnered off, there are no universal rules. Plenty of doughy, Teddy-bear types who get girlfriends. Plenty of skinny bony guys. Plenty of short and average men in relationships (usually to short women, which, since women are shorter than men, makes sense). Nobody besides plastic surgeons and incels are analyzing "…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:17 PM
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So then why are you talking about pictures of men? You realize that women who are highly sexual are turned on by male bodies in motion, right? And not pictures of men? This is one of the reasons that physical attraction for women (and many men, too) requires meeting in person, because mannerisms, how he moves, seeing him in 3D and in motion, is actually a huge driver of straight women's attraction to men. And they're not going to get turned on to the point of making attraction actionable by look…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:10 PM
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"Being sexually direct" isn't a good move. It's usually a sign of desperation, lack of social skill, pornbrained tendencies, or actual predatory creepiness. Flirting. The word you're looking for is flirting.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:05 PM
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I mean, perhaps, but I'm talking about the fact that in 2026 so many guys are unwilling to even do anything to meet women other than swipe on the same shitty Match group apps that everyone has been complaining about for a decade. At any given time, 2/3 of single women aren't even on them, ffs, and these guys are acting like it's the only way to meet women. And FWIW, I do agree about the pics. There's so many "how come I get no likes" posts from guys who literally have 4 pics with the same scowli…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:04 PM
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This is some weird ass shit. Sounds like you've just never met a woman who enjoys sex. It's pretty awesome, you should try it sometime. Although you might want to try and lose the attitudes, it's pretty much a buzzkill to any woman who does enjoy sex, ijs.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:58 PM
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Looks, height, income, status, social circles, timing, geography, culture, mental health, luck, and dating app algorithms all heavily affect outcomes. Looks: can be improved through grooming and fitness, and personal style to match one's appearance to his aesthetic and desired aesthetic (since like usually attracts like). Skill issue. Height: luck Income: Not really relevant to attraction, but absolutely a skill issue. You can make lots of money doing some very simple tasks really well. Status: …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:46 PM
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That's always what these arguments boil down to. And in Western societies built around individual rights, we widely and wisely acknowledge that your rights stop at the point you begin to coerce someone else. ...Which is why a Christian baker can't refuse to sell a premade wedding cake to a gay customer, but that same gay customer also can't coerce the Christian baker into making a wedding cake that specifically features two men on it because he doesn't like the one in the display case. Your righ…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 01:11 PM
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No one should fear losing their partner like that. Yall should feel confident together that yall wont bail on each other Once the relationship is established, agreed - this should be the norm. The good redpill "advice" is mostly about things to do to better yourself pre-meeting somebody, and how to conduct oneself during the early stages of getting to know someone, where this is no commitment. It misses the mark on a lot of the "building connection" stuff, but there is value in a guy seeing hims…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:29 AM
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Arguing that "we do not live in the jungle" in the same breath as "mating choices are based on biology" is...a choice. The economic parallels and the soft Trojan horse into favorable treatment of socialism (a disgusting concept, to be sure) stand out. How ironic that the sexual variant of an economic ideology that has a demonstrated 200 year history of being able to only provide "the bare minimum" to people (which includes food/shelter/water), and sometimes not even that, is somehow pitched as t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:08 AM
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It is intentional, but it's not coming from the "status quo." It's usually because leftist-Marxist forces attach themselves to a cause and attempt to manipulate it to their preferred ends... ...while religious fundamentalist forces attach themselves to opposite causes and attempt to manipulate it to their preferred ends. It's why feminism is increasingly teetering on the edge of socialist policy (even when it comes to policies that harm women), and why "redpill" is flirting with Islamist-adjacen…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 06:26 PM
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This is actually an interesting point, and one that probably deserves more attention than being buried here in this sub conversation within a sub-conversation. I think the issue with that is two-fold. First, it falls on the guy to communicate his needs. Since women are stereotypically more passive (or seen as more passive) in relationships when it comes to "pursuit", this means that she will expect the man to communicate his needs. However, from his point of view, if he has to tell her to do som…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 06:19 PM
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I think it has to be clarified. Someone maintaining a youthful optimism and curiosity towards the world - and wanting to have fun like a high school or college girlfriend would - is endearing. People who approach dating like a business deal are...offputting, to say the least. However, the vaguely pedophilic or predatory "no-boundary-seeking" aspects of "innocence" being glorified in some circles is absolutely disgusting. I also think (and this is true of women's preferences for men also, as many…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 05:59 PM
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But again , as i said , i was talking about why young men stopped approaching. It's not entirely about the media but for sure one of the important reasons , women and feminists said men, please stop approaching women now , just completely , they called men are creeps , men are r@pists, etc etc, it's shown all over media and promoted in the social circles proudly, yeah it's not some men , it's men , what are young men supposed to do especially who didn't get to interact with women that much in mi…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 05:22 PM
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The craziest thing about this meme is that it was so good I saved it on my computer... ...Over a decade ago. So yeah, "guy A" isn't anything new. Guys have been doing this for over a generation now, didn't work then, and it STILL doesn't work lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 05:13 PM
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I don't really think women are sharing "unfiltered truth" to you rather than just gaining sympathy from you saying how shit these men are and how low their standards are but you didn't really explain how you get that information so maybe you and the women you meet are the exception. They're close friends. Probably one or two would have wanted to date me if I weren't already married, for all I know...but the fact that I'm "off-market" allows us to discuss things openly as friends like what their …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 05:12 PM
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I was a single guy at one time. And at 18, I was an idiot...a freshman in college trying to hook up with all the women I should've been dating, and trying to date all the women I should've hooked up with and just called it a day (and those specific women were fully down for that, btw). Despite that, I still experienced "success" but I wasn't getting what I wanted: I let one of the most fun hookups from orientation fizzle instead of locking in a relationship when I wanted that because I "didn't w…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 05:00 PM
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I have never thought that either, but I've definitely been around some "straight" friends who've made some questionable statements when drunk. Most of them are happily married to women, though. 🤷‍♂️ I don't read much into it. Like, if a woman kissed a friend when she was 13 at a slumber party because they were all trying to learn how to kiss because she had a crush on some guy, I didn't really care when I met her in college or my 20s. And a lot of women never do that kind of stuff. It's just not…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 04:46 PM
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I and the few other young men I have spoken with on this question represent a small enough data set that I can't assume it to be in any way representative, but the answer appears to be "yes, they do have issues". I received no advice from men in my immediate or extended family, at all, beyond "You should date, you need to get that experience.". Plenty of pressure was placed on me but exactly 0 material advice, of any kind, was ever offered. Neither did I. My dad was largely useless on this and t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 04:41 PM
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I mean, obviously it would be vetted? And any skillset that is important to society functioning is one that should be taught. The nuclear family is a crux of individual rights in society and outsourcing proper parenting and mentorship to "the state" is how we got here in the first place. "The government" is not going to effectively teach male students how to pick up female students. There are so many different cultures and subcultures within a pluralistic society that parents will become apoplep…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 07:22 PM
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100%. It's a sycophant that does what you tell it to and tells you what you want to hear, even when the truth is the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 05:59 PM
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While there are some individual decent points in here, this post is also all over the place. So men should focus on status and resources to attract women, but status and resources are no longer required? Confusing. The truth is resources ("status" is nebulous bullshit after high school) should be pursued to a degree a man utilizes them to fund the rest of his desired lifestyle independent of a woman. They should not be pursued to attract women, nor are they a prerequisite to meet a woman and hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 05:41 PM
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This is and has always been the duty of fathers, older brothers, older male cousins, etc. It is not the responsibility of "society" because that's just weird, and most parents don't want strangers talking to their teenage boys about topics related to sexuality unless the curriculum is vetted. It's reasonable that these skills would fall off in a world where over 40% of children are born out of wedlock, however. But they're only getting worse in a world where men are increasingly turning to (pred…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 04:41 PM
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Collectivist narratives are often bullshit, though. Women might "say" that in a group but the reality is often quite different. For starters, when they answer questions like that, they're not picturing a guy they've been talking to and enjoying the conversation. They're picturing a stranger. Second of all, 80% of what? 80% of single women definitely are not unwilling to be asked out on dates, I'll tell you that. Yes, women with boyfriends and who are married don't want to be asked out. And most …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 03:15 PM
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They really haven't. In fact, my interactions with single women as a married guy who can get the unfiltered truth about things since I no longer have a horse in the race...have only confirmed that finding a girlfriend would be even easier in 2026 than when I was last single. Being reasonably attractive (or at least, not unattractive), socially competent, and able to communicate directly and playfully is more than enough to go on dates with attractive women in 2026.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 03:07 PM
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Correct, I haven't been, but I have lots of single friends, and I have eyes and talk to them and see what they're doing, and I see what's working and what's not. Those of you who boil attractions down to merely some objective standard of looks, as if people don't have individual preferences, come across as bitter and socially stunted. And those who go through life afraid of "offending" some imaginary Fuck-You-Cabal of internet feminists as they purport to interact with real women in daily life c…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 03:05 PM
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And I can tell that you probably spend entirely too much time at the computer fantasizing if you think that sort of behavior is in anyway normal. Most people want a connection and a general sense of safety (physical, financial, sexual, etc.) for sex, not to be so turned on by looking at a dating app profile they have to start talking about their dick to someone they've never even met IRL.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 10:05 AM
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asexuals can be hypersexual too. WHAT? smh some of you people are so weird. imagine you message a girl and the first thing she asks is how much money you're gonna spend on her. IDK but you, but when I was single, that shit would kill any attraction I thought I felt. Do you not understand that women getting unsolicited dick pics aren't "evaluating the male body negatively" when that's done but realizing that a guy is a fucking pornbrained loser, and THAT'S why they're losing any interest they tho…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 09:56 AM
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Because there is no in person humiliation to a rejection online, so risk averse men prefer it. Because women's experiences on dating apps almost always are guaranteed to include one of: (1) a creepy, thirsty, porn brained guy in her inbox lusting grotesquely after her, and the experience is negative enough to make her not want to do it again... or (2) a metric fuckton of likes and message requests that she can't possibly respond to all in time, and guys crashing out that she's "ghosting" them. S…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 09:52 AM
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My data is comprising evrything, the 2023 paper in Norway is talking about economic hypergamy right now The 2016 paper of heavy attraction of dark triad traits of young women actually while older women actually were less attracted to it Those papers are analyzing data that is, in some cases, 50 years old. You are aware that much of research actually doesn't collect new data, right? It simply looks at old data and attempts to synthesize it to evaluate a different premise than the researchers who …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 09:44 AM
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No, they don't. People have been trying to inject Marxist talking points into society for over 100 years. People inherently value freedom in the West more than they value some contrived notion of equality that ensures equal outputs regardless of inputs. What we've done is inject Marxist policy into a formerly more capitalist system that simply needed enforcement of guardrails, and all of the most Marxist-influenced areas are the areas that are causing the greatest issues. Federal funding of stud…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 09:38 AM
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Your results in dating do not depend on how "women" think. They depend on what the woman standing in front of you thinks. This is the mistake men make. Collectivism isn't a natural state of existence. You aren't dating a tribunal of women. You are dating an individual woman who has her own unique thoughts and feelings on the matter in question, and if she feels comfortable with you, generally safe, physically benevolent to attracted, curious, and is having a good time, she's going to be much mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 09:31 AM
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This is a really good, balanced take and generally accurate to my own life experiences. Also, most women don't want to be asked out, out of the blue. Have a conversation, build rapport, then before you're about to go your separate ways forever, ask if there's a way to stay in touch and go from there. It's weird to just go up to strangers and ask them out, and most women aren't interested in that. It's also weird to be so inhibited that you're afraid to have random conversations with people, or a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 09:28 AM
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Leftist (read: not liberal) policy is fundamentally not about helping anyone. It's about creating and exacerbating factional differences within society to maximize the amount of societal grievance and distrust. Then, to mark enough "disadvantaged" groups as oppressed that, collectively, they become the majority and can vote in sweeping major reforms that are detrimental for freedom, and have been tried unsuccessfully at great global cost to the populations forced to endure those "solutions" for …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 09:26 PM
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While I generally agree with the premise, I do not agree with the soft insertions of Marxist rhetoric throughout. This has come about because of failures caused through socialist adjacent policy that result in 45% of men being born without ever-present fathers, declining standards for what masculine behaviors are that tolerate bullshit like "rape jokes" etc., and a tendency to project the moral failures of Hollyweird perverts onto normal men in the wake of scandals like Harvey Weinstein and even…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 09:09 PM
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...what in the Islam???
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 09:02 PM
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They really don't. Manospherians and FDSers are trying to keep it going, because there's a lot of money to be made by grifter men off frustrated men who struggle and work hard so they only have money and nothing else. They're willing to take those man flailing about for a lifeline and monetize it under the false flag of "compassion." FDSers are perfectly happy to exploit men for resources even though they don't need men to have resources, and the grifters in that space are perfectly happy to sim…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 08:58 PM
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FWIW good men also avoid women who make dating transactional. Strongly believe that the women who approach dating like an employer on a job interview end up just as frustrated (and picking from amongst the scrap heap) as the horny losers who make women's entire existence about his dick. No/low pressure meets ups first are best. Show me you can make a legitimate effort to build a connection without any up front demands, and that you're fun and a good conversationalist. Mutual attraction is presup…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 08:54 PM
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The majority of the data used in the studies you are citing is ancient because it studies Boomers. Just because a paper was released in 2023 does not make it relevant or contextual today. The willingness of Boomer women to date Boomer men (including as one subset, people "born between 1952 and 1975" is largely irrelevant to the millennial and Gen Z dating patterns of today. Furthermore, a woman's willingness to give her number to someone has little to do with her actual state of arousal. Money. …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 07:46 PM
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You are trying to compare women and men constantly by painting men as these poor victims. Yes a bus driver has a different job than an office worker. And a office worker has a much more chill job than a emergency nurse. No, you're dismissing the valid complaints about men's lived experiences because you want to whine that women have it worse and use it as justification for shitty behavior that men despise on dates. Society doesn't give a fuck about anyone. Men being seen as an endless, boundless…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 07:40 PM
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You are not discussing this in good faith, nor listening to anything I'm saying. You're just trying to win the victim Olympics. This original comment thread isn't the most upvoted on this subject for no reason. A lot of women understand this about men's lived experience, too. Do you think a man who drives a bus in crowded big city traffic for 8 hours and endures an hour and a half commute in traffic every day of his life, who has to work with the exhausting people of the inner city on a daily ba…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 05:39 PM
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Because the way men and women are treated at work is vastly different. Because there are still enormous double standards and barriers that hold back men who want to bond with their children. Because there are still vast discrepancies in the danger and the nature of the work between women and men. The hours men are expected to work vs. women. The amount of travel men are expected to put up with vs. women. The amount of "on call" jobs men are expected to do vs. women. The amount of jobs that requi…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 05:25 PM
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I would also not risk my life to benefit someone who sees my one and only life as a means to an end, yet women constantly have to hear how lonely men are, how ungrateful they are, how its their fault society is dying because of declining birthrates. And those arguments are as irrelevant and unwilling to sway the behavior of individuals as the women shrieking on social media that a man didn't step in and risk his own safety to stop the violent assault of a stranger in progress. We don't have "all…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 05:11 PM
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Money has made exactly 0 vaginas wet and aroused in human history. Most women aren't gold diggers. The mistake socially inexperienced men make is assuming that every man doing interesting things who's attractive is "rich." The only thing that's changed with the older generations and today is that performative bullshit like courtship doesn't work anymore, and women won't be tempted to marry men they're not attracted to for "resources" because they can earn their own. That benefits men with person…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 04:44 PM
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Men are the ones constantly going on about being providers and protectors. No, "we" really don't. Most men are just trying to get by economically and get to a place where we can have a nice life and still look forward to retiring on time someday. "Provider" is just bullshit cope that men with jobs who have nothing else going for themselves run with as a narrative to try and convince women to give him a chance when there is nothing redeeming about his personality, lifestyle, or sex appeal. Most m…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 04:39 PM
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Unfortunately younger women don't find most men attractive They don't find older men attractive, and they don't find younger men attractive without context. This is a point lost on most pillheads. Most guys are just decent looking. They're not models, they're not bad looking, and the potential exists for attraction if there's a connection and he has a couple features that she tends to like. Women do not look at men and decide in two seconds if he's fuckable or unfuckable like men do to women. Mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 03:46 PM
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He said that people are moving everything online, and the trend of meeting people online is growing. He is completely correct about that, you can't really deny it. He was referring to dating apps, which are less and less popular every year. Nor does it speak for your case either. You have no idea how big that "some" is, and you have no idea how big a chunk of that "some" are the ones that just gave it a go and stopped using it instantly. 12/12 is actually a pretty strong indicator. Small sample …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 03:43 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 03:13 PM
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And men are aware that all of society wants to use us as pack mules, extract our labor, ignore us, and then withdraw any modicum of care or concern the second we stop being "useful." The entire planet never shuts the fuck up about how we're supposed to work and earn and "provide" and do dangerous jobs because "someone's got to do it". Even those of us that take the deal and do it, do it to build a better life for ourselves. And we are not going to share that better life we are building with some…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 03:13 PM
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A single woman who enjoys a guy's company and finds him physically attractive will very much enjoy the prospect of being asked out by him. You people fixate so much on rules that you ignore that. But that rapport is important. Too many guys just go "if he's hot enough she'll be open to it" and too many guys just go "she'll never be open to it because it's a hobby space." Neither are correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 03:02 PM
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This is not about ego, but connection. You also say you want upfront honesty. Yet when men tell you they want to fuck frequently in a relationship, ask about your exes, and list specific sex acts they require, women are repulsed - even sex-positive women with healthy sexuality. And nobody bats an eye, because that's fucking weird behavior by those men. It's no different than gold-digger adjacent behavior by women. Reduce human relationships to business negotations, and the only people who will s…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 12:55 PM
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Both of you aren't right. Women just don't want to be asked out, out of the blue. Build a damn rapport first, and the "rules" she has towards strangers won't apply. Act like a stranger, and the "rules" will apply. Women do not want to be asked out by random thirsty men who she knows nothing of other than "he thinks she's hot" in a general sense. SOME might be open to that at a bar or other social setting. Most women want a connection first, then to be asked out, and the where isn't a big deal as…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 12:49 PM
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What isn't really true? That online dating is the primary or preferred way to meet people. The fact that some women have dating apps they rarely use, or tried it once and didn't like it, doesn't negate that. Somewhere between 30-50% of new couples formed are formed on OLD. This statistic is as wrong as that 80/20 OKCupid study yet continues to misquoted by clueless guys on here who pedestalize online dating apps and can't figure out why apps decide to predatorily monetize their desperation aren'…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 12:31 PM
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Men being willing to bend over backwards for her isn't really attractive behavior for most women. That's the domain of simps, and most women don't actually like simps. Most women realize that these efforts are performative and unsustainable, or those efforts are so all-defining for the man that she has no idea who he is beyond the favors and performative bullshit, so that prevents any kind of real connection. Some inexperienced women will be wowed by it temporarily, but that usually has a shelf …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 05:23 AM
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This really isn't true. There are a couple Gen Z women who play hockey in the various groups I play hockey with. Some have become good friends. These are fit, active, socially competent women who are (or plan to become) college educated. Most (to my knowledge) come from good homes. They're not drunk sorority girls. Of the ones I've had casual conversations as friends with about dating, NONE of them have an OLD profile, or if they do, they check it sparingly and don't pay that much attention to i…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 05:11 AM
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Most women are not focused on "just looks" and a lot of good women are waiting to be asked out, but they want to be asked out the right way by someone who's attractive enough and engages in certain behaviors that make her see him as a possibility. Flirting is absolutely one of those behaviors.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 05:06 AM
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Why? Why is women having goals and timeliness being important to her a reason to end up only with shitty men? Everyone has goals and timelines. It's about the approach. Nearly everyone wants to have sex in a relationship, right? What would you tell the man that opens the first date by openly stating his desire for sex, and specific sexual acts? Is that a good first move by him? Now take that same advice, and instead of making it about goals for a man's future sex life, make it about a woman's go…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 04:55 AM
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If someone can't flirt without being explicit, that person doesn't understand flirting. Flirting is not about being lewd. It's about being suggestive and playful while leaving enough reasonable doubt that there's inherent tension. AKA she's not 100% sure he's definitely interested, only that he seems willing to take the next step closer to the deep end. It leaves her simutaneously feeling like things are moving, wanting more (assuming she wants him in the first place), certain of his interest, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 03:04 PM
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Not knowing what you want is an issue though. There is a difference between not knowing what you want and having it all figured out. And there is also a difference between knowing what you want and expecting your partner to make it happen vs. assessing for compatibility in what you want. Also "knowing what you want" doesn't need to mean "has the exact plan figured out to get there, and is unwilling to deviate from the plan, even though there's more than one way to get there." Subtle, but importa…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 02:58 PM
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None of this is about "trad wives." Most men in modern society expect to both do chores alongside their partner and earn money alongside each other as most families have been two income for going on 50+ years at this point. This is about the initial connection that must exist at the start of dating for a "Good Man With Standards" to consider a woman to be worth partnering with. And if this means you have to meet IRL or have a longer talking stage ahead of time, so be it. Both men and women would…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 01:01 PM
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The best way I can explain this, since my other reply came across a bit more generic than I want: FIRST POINT When you partner with someone, you never know how life is going to go. For richer or poorer, in sickness and in health. Men want to know that women see him as the investment, not just the house. Furthermore, people change. When I was in my 20s, I thought I wanted to live in a city forever. I did know I wanted to drive a car to work and own property (because renting is one of the worst fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 12:45 PM
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Is it all about being political correct and not giving clear expectations? A woman saying "someday I'd like to live in a house in the suburbs" will get you as an answer "yeah, that sounds great" from a man. Not from a guy who wants to live in a city, or in a rural area. He might say that to be polite, but if he's screening for compatibility, he might have realized she soft disqualified herself. Or, if he wants to see about a connection, he'll counter with..."what about a more rural area, if ever…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 12:35 PM
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Women are evaluated on personality, too, by men with standards. Even the men willing to engage solely based on interaction create categories like "for casual only" that basically signal to a woman that looks alone really aren't enough, unless her goal is casual sex...and most women want more than that out of life. Men also are not evaluated only on social skills, but social skills are a critical metric of adult competence since they pretty much shape a person's life trajectory since they are in …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 12:18 PM
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Exactly. One conveys uniqueness, the other disparages a group but then exempts the person hearing it from the disparaging remark despite the fact they belong to those group. That's why they're taken differently. A lot of women react positively to "you're different than a lot of other girls" too. People want to feel unique, and phrasing that makes them sound unique is validating. People don't want to feel like you want to go scorched earth on their entire gender and then happen to remember to add…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 12:05 PM
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Okay, the longer explanation: No. Women don't convey how they see men through their expectations. This is one of those "sex isn't something men give to women" level of fundamental views of how something needs to be seen for there to be any hope of compatibility. The way you prove to a man you value him isn't in what you expect from him, but how you treat him. How do you treat a man who hasn't proven he has anything to offer you yet. Are you decent to him? Are you friendly? Are you interested in …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 12:01 PM
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Yes, this is generally true. I think the people that go into these interactions wanting to dissect a person's current income, future earning potential, and lifestyle based off job titles or other superficial metrics that don't involve getting to know them are, at a minimum, trying to ensure the person is the same SES as them. I think that in a sense of building genuine connection, however, this is best assessed in terms of desired future lifestyle and what is the plan to get there (and having so…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:46 AM
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Agreed. The male friendships is an entirely separate issue, and often has to do with how men treat other men. I have a good number of male friends, and I feel it too. I get that it's worse for other men who don't have this. Case in point: our hockey group chat has been dead for a week. I texted it yesterday morning because one of our teams (not even my team) needs a goalie for tomorrow night and wanted to make sure everyone noticed that. That sparked an hour of intense texting, memeing, and joke…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:37 AM
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This. We don't want to be pedestalized for money attributes either. Women saying "he's a doctor" or "well, he works in finance" to each other as some kind of good first date impression makes us as nauseous as women feel when they find out some dude she went on a first date with was locker room talking her body in front of his bros.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:29 AM
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I'd agree with this. Boring men with indistinguishable looks from other men who "have a job" are getting left behind. So too are women with no useful skills who "are willing to be a housewife" and depend entirely on a man's salary to sustain her life and that of any future kids. Most people don't want dependent live-in roommates with little to no likable personality/attraction aspects. But that said, there are women who date like I described in my original comment. And when I was single, I may h…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:28 AM
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Most people don't find talking about work interesting because most jobs are so highly specialized that you won't be able to explain them easily to some stranger. Furthermore, it might be something that's interesting, it might not be. In a lot of cases, it's just something tolerable that someone does to make a living to finance the rest of their lives. As the saying goes, nobody grows up wanting to be a marketing director, lawyer, accountant, or analyst. And most entry level jobs (which tends to …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:25 AM
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In short, no. But Im out at the moment but will respond to this more thoughtfully when I get home.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 04:28 PM
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It's meant to describe the way man experience other people in the world, which goes beyond nice guy tropes and extends to nearly every relationship in their lives. Even in a healthy sense: We do not want to give one sided utility to people who don't offer us something we're looking for in return. We will give utility to people who offer us what we want in a transactional sense, but those relationships are surface level and we enter into them with low expectations and often no desire for more (ie…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 01:56 PM
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This is a nuanced take that I'm willing to engage with because it goes beyond the stereotypical BS of "women like assholes, waah I'm so nice, why is that such a turnoff? The world needs to change for me, and it's all wimmen's fault" ranting. So, here it is: The reality is that for most of our adult lives, men are only valued for our UTILITY. Not because of our "friendship." You know who values you for your utility? A fucking employer. A fucking employer that will sing your praises, then replace …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 01:11 PM
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First of all, none of this is about YOU so don't make it be. But you're still missing the point: "Straight behaviors" and "masculine behaviors" are not the same thing. Straight people are repulsed by gay behaviors, even in bi people. That's actually healthy. Gay behavior SHOULD be a turn off for straight people. Saves a lot of wasted time. Meanwhile, women absolutely lose their shit when they see a guy petting a dog, playing with his young cousins/nieces/nephews, or taking care of small/wounded …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 12:56 PM
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Most women still prefer masculine traits in men. Confidence, strength, assertiveness, leadership, emotional stability, physical dominance. There are degrees to this. A few points, first: These are (in a good sense) traits of competence, not masculinity. A man who is prepared to meet the challenges of the world. Women can also have these traits. All of these traits can be overdone, which is repellent to women. Women do not like cocky braggarts, do not go for roided up freakshows (unless they're a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 12:53 AM
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Same, that's a good bedroom policy and it's worked out great for us too
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 05:52 PM
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The best comments are circumstancial. If they're there because they potentially are looking for something from you, they might be interested in learning about you. But far more commonly, you ask them about themselves. A couple feeler questions to get a feel for who they are and find some common ground. A common question for a volunteer (using the example from my previous post) would be "Hey, I've seen you around here a few times, and just wanted to introduce myself. I'm TopShelfSnipes. What's yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 05:45 PM
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The bottom line is that any social gathering can have people who stand out. Even nerds who are social go to parties and drink, they just aren't getting on the bar and doing body shots off girls while singing along and dancing to loud music. A wallflower will never stand out, no matter how conventionally "cool" a group is. You can be "the life of the party" if you volunteer regularly at the same place, and you're the guy who knows and interacts with everyone. And that'll afford you infinitely mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 03:50 PM
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Then that sounds like "life of the party" is more about surrounding yourself with people who share your interests - which is a social skill - than it is about some performative acting routine. Which is exactly what I said about becoming socially competent in my last post, in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 03:39 PM
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There is no such thing as personality "coming naturally" to people. Most people who are socially competent practice it and get good at it over time. Most teenagers are awkward AF and most outgrow it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 01:47 PM
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This isn't necessarily because of "entrepreneurialness" but you do hit on it it a little bit when you talk about nice guys. It's really just a marketing/branding issue. Guys who get girlfriends are giving them an experience. "He makes her feel like nobody else does". Nice guys purport to treat girlfriends "well." It's the difference between a sales pitch for a product that can make your dreams come true, and signal to the rest of the world who you are in a powerful and unique way... ...and a pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 01:46 PM
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"Nice guys" are just boring or pushovers 99% of the time. If you don't want to be a "nice guy", be neither of those things. There are some ugly ass dudes that can be the life of the party. Be like them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 07:21 AM
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I think it's also cope. A dude who skipped working out, missed out on all the social markers, lived an inhibited period of life in his 20s or 30s, gave his whole life to his job/career, and now has nothing to show for it except money needs to come to terms with the fact that he blew his sexual prime, so once he has a respectable amount of money, can convince himself he "made it" and is now more attractive that at any previous point, which, if it's in his mid to late 30s, most people start social…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:28 PM
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These takes are honestly very weird. Like, women only want to fuck Chad and be feral and have his babies, and they don't care how broke or criminal Chad is... ...but then they want to use sex with omega losers to trap them as providers to pay for her under the guise of paying for the kids that she never wanted to have with him because she already has Chad's kids... it's just so fucking weird. I really wonder how many married couples, couples that are in good/passionate relationships, or parents …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:21 PM
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100% this. It's only ghetto thots and trailer park types that are looking to do the hobosexual thing...and they're usually mooching off almost-as-broke-as-them types. Most women just expect a guy who's going to be a force multiplier to her own standard of living - he won't mooch off her, he'll be fun, he's fiscally responsible enough to save towards goals like homeownership and retirement, and he's competent enough at work that she has faith he's not going to come home out of nowhere fired or ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:06 PM
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Nah, I'm grounded in reality. You work to live, you don't live to work. But go ahead, make a career your whole identity, and then when your job that doesn't give a fuck about you lays you off, or sidelines you with 2 years to go till retirement to make you quit, or you get a shitty boss who undoes a decades worth of accomplishments in 2 months...and then you get to be the guy having an identity crisis because you dedicated all your time to work, your family doesn't know you anymore, and the only…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:57 AM
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IDK, odd, can't relate. But I probably wouldn't have entered into a relationship with someone like that in the first place because those people just sound not fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:54 AM
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a single health scare will blow up your savings ...So then you probably shouldn't be stressing yourself out for no reason to give yourself hypertension, cortisol overload, etc., yeah?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 11:56 PM
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My mother is a narcissist and completely clueless about all of this stuff. Our relationship is distant but friendly, a little bit strained, and I have to constantly set and reinforce boundaries. I agree with her about some things, but she has some very out of date views about a lot of other things. And she's never approved of my preferences in women, which was kinda a good thing. She gets along decent enough with my wife, but there's a distance there (which my wife also wants). Growing up, I nev…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 11:45 PM
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Sure you do. Just do your job and stop stressing about it. Stress isn't necessary to complete tasks at work. If the company sucks, apply for the same job at competitors. You'll probably even get a raise for making the jump.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 11:40 PM
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Have two parents but they weren't great role models and their marriage (despite the fact they're still together) is far from exemplary. In a lot of cases, watching them taught me what I didn't want to do with my own life, and I had to find other role models probably from adolescence.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 11:33 PM
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One of the best part of sex is the woman's reaction - especially the orgasm - that give the ultimate feeling of "I did that to her." Her moans, the eye contact, the things she says, the dirty talk, the ideas she contributes, the way her body quivers around me when she goes over the edge. So no, fucking an unconscious corpse, beyond the predatory aspects, holds absolutely no appeal to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 11:31 PM
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Nah that's some incel shit. If someone's that ugly you just wouldn't want to fuck them at all, not "do some things and not others" that's just weird shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 11:28 PM
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Let's put it this way: Your ex gives you blowjobs. But not just any blowjobs, fucking amazing blowjobs. Butttt you break up with each other. Now you get a new GF. New GF has never given a blowjob before but wants to try. What do you tell her? NO? I'd bet my house that no guy who enjoys blowjobs is going to say no. So, you're not going to gatekeep that from her. So you let her give you a blowjob. And it's horrible. She uses her teeth, doesn't get you off, has to stop every 10 seconds because her …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 11:21 PM
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I choose to live my life stress free, yeah. Stress literally kills you bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 11:17 PM
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Yup, and for men it's largely about work, politics, or "remember when" conversations - especially about sports. The single guys will complain about dating, the married guys will fluctuate between making self-deprecating humor about being whipped (which is lame AF), and a handful of people with very niche hobbies will go into super detailed convos about them that make outsiders' and casuals' eyes glaze over. They stop talking about people, new experiences, things we like, things we want to try, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 10:53 PM
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I'm not FIRE, but I do live well below my means, and I made sure my means was sufficient to sustain my lifestyle because I worked hard in my 20s and made good choices with money but I didn't let work define me like a lot of people did/do. Kids actually help keep you young because they communicate like kids, so being dry and boring is a horrible way to parent. It's also a major factor in raising socially stunted kids, for those who do it that way. Dads should run around with their kids, make joke…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 10:46 PM
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An interesting POV. I take a slightly different interpretation though: most people are followers, and will mirror those around them. Surround them with fun people, and they'll be fun. Surround them with boring, dry, career-climbers, and they'll write those lame Linkedin posts, talk about work at the bar, and ruminate about their career trajectory unironically as if anyone else actually cares. When we're in our 20s, most people hang out with peers and prioritize socialization. Work and family pre…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 10:40 PM
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But if it "hurt" with the others, she didn't only do it with him. She still tried it with them and didn't like it, so they weren't "missing out" (which is how it's always framed on these boards by the dudes complaining about it: "she did xyz with him but won't do xyz with me even though I just want to try that with her"). It's not her "refusing to try" if she tried it with her current partner and decided he's just bad at it. And she'd probably try to help him be better at it rather than taking s…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 10:34 PM
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Yeah, this doesn't make sense to me either. Only thing I could see maybe falling into #2 would be someone might like a certain sex act with an ex better, but the only way you'd know that is to do it with your current partner, so you wouldn't be gatekeeping it from them while pining for the activity with your ex. And you'd probably do it repeatedly while trying to get them to get better at it before you just decided to not want the particular sex act anymore. So the current partner wouldn't be ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 10:32 PM
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That's really not what sex therapy is. It's usually highly tailored to people with issues around intimacy where the sex therapist works to build trust with a patient first. Sex is only introduced if it makes sense, and is usually within the confines of getting a person past unhealthy sexual limits/fixations (such as never nudes, for one), and the therapist takes precautions around it. If you ever watch the show "Virgin Island" (highly entertaining btw, even if it's quite cringe) that kind of sum…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:45 AM
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I'd agree with this too. In my 30s, and "middle age malaise" is a thing. A lot of dudes stop having fun. The interesting thing about social media is that it's a time capsule. You can go back and find wild posts from your early 20s full of humor, banter, and "that was awesome!" energy, and then you'll find the same dudes on LinkedIn 15 years later writing those horrendous AI style posts with some "lesson" about business they've learned with a million two sentence paragraphs, culminating in some "…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:32 AM
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Interesting take, I kind of like it. Biggest argument for manosphere as a pyramid scheme is the desire of those who ascribe to various pill ideologies to seemingly recruit other men into the cult ideology, and the proselytization pushed by those who stand to make the most money at the heart of the ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:23 AM
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Because most of the good older men are married or in LTRs. The guys still hitting on young girls in their late 30s are usually some combination of inexperienced, weird, pushy, and/or abusive. And some are borderline pedofiles. Most guys don't generally want to date someone who's young enough to be their daughter, also. Totally different stages of life. I suppose if maybe a good dude got recently divorced, and a young attractive woman was looking for "experience" and was sick of dudes her age fum…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:20 AM
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Answer from a guy: Build more single family homes, since it's a lifestyle more conducive to what most people imagine when they imagine having a family. Most first time homebuyers being 40 isn't a recipe for having kids. Stop pushing highrise construction and shoebox living, which only benefits developers and isn't conducive to families or to not straining infrastructure in ways that diminish quality of life. Better public schools. Stop focusing on equity and ideological content, and focus on lea…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:12 AM
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This. For some of us it was literally part of growing up. I live far more authentically now than I did at 25 (when I met my wife), and I lived far more authentically at 25 than I did at 18 when I was still figuring shit out, and I lived far more authentically at 18 than I did at 14 when I was still self-inhibiting due to living with annoying/interfering parents and being concerned with what others thought about me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 08:44 PM
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Actually DEI is being rolled back all across corporate America and has been for some time. Because it exacerbates racism, it doesn't contribute at all to solving it, and now the data exists. So a lot of Marxists and Marxist nonprofits that provide DEI trainings are going to be looking for new work (and many are already). This is a good thing. Right now, both parties refuse to cut spending, so quasi-socialist policies continue to be funded to some degree. But the bill is coming, and when the shit…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 02:19 PM
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Half the people thinking guys are being "assholes" are often using that term to describe perfectly normal behaviors like making jokes, flirting, light touching with consent, drinking together, or just keeping the women they're spending time with away from these creepy wallflowers who behave jealously and possessively towards women they haven't even really interacted with. This point is not really debatable unless it's clarified what kinds of "assholes" are being discussed - the guys who are "ass…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 02:05 PM
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There is no "right." That's the biggest thing holding you back, is that rigid thinking, that there is one way to be attractive. This is why men who like alternative music and prefer to dress casually, who have a naturally lean physique, end up performatively buying suits that they hate, that don't look good on him, pursuing a shitty "status-y" job that treats him like a wage slave to make money he doesn't need because he was doing perfectly fine at 80K and doesn't need 150K at the cost of his me…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 01:23 PM
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Men do not get socially punished for saying things are not going well in private circles. EVERYONE gets punished for sperging out to the internet, complaining, being negative, and expecting total strangers to drop everything and feel sorry for you. That's not adult behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 01:13 PM
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Yeah, it really is. There are 8 billion people in the world, and if you live in the West and speak English, almost a billion are culturally compatible with you. Half of those will be women, and about 10% of those will be appropriately aged ranged for you. If only 10% are single, that's 5 million people to choose from. If you're not able to attract a single person out of 5 million, there are clear problems and clear steps to fix that in all but the most extreme examples (extreme disability, disfi…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 01:10 PM
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I'd take it over the alternative tbh. I can fix her. Tell me, why should I care about freedom? Why should those in power care about not oppressing you for their own benefit? Because it's not fair, right? Well, you've just gone on a rant about how fairness is naive and life isn't fair. This is the logical end result of your ideals, might makes right. In a world where "might makes right," socialists are despised, and people will kill or be killed to avoid it. And the anti-socialism crowd is better…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 01:05 PM
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State mandated gfs would be pretty neat. In Japan they even pay for disabled guys or w/e to bang prosties! Except that "state mandated gfs" inhibit freedom. So, like all socialist things, those who control the socialist government would allocate the hottest women for themselves and the military/favored party allies, and let everyone else get the leftovers. And the women being allocated wouldn't have a choice, and neither would the men. So when the government allocates an incel a 450 pound women …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 11:56 PM
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A lot of people especially zoomers have this socialist mindset tho, and particularly women also. And yet when it comes to men they turn into hyper-capitalist darwinians, which is as funny as it is hypocritical. We spend huge amounts on welfare and stuff and have DEI nonsense etc... just not for men. ...And none of it has "fixed" poverty. Per capita spending on education by state does not correlate to educational outcomes. DEI has actually been studied and shown to increase racism and self-segreg…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 10:41 PM
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It's a shame that people ONLY ever apply this to groups like men. Whenever it's another group who is disadvantaged, we must bend over backwards to feel sorry for and help them. For men, though, it's 'pull yourselves up by your bootstraps'. No, we really don't. Only socialists think we have to bend over backwards to help every charity case. A lot of people are poor due to choices they made. Sexlessness is rising and it's not 'little difficulty' even if you do get it eventually, a lot of jestering…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 10:18 PM
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I mean, I always label incel arguments in favor of compelling women to date them as advocacy for sexual socialism since that's basically what it is. Even socialism has (some) valid critiques of free markets, but the solution they prescribe isn't a solution at all, and would actually make things far worse (while destroying freedom and inherently creating an oppressive state), which is exactly what would happen if "government looksmaxxing" and all the more dystopian ideas incels have were tried. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 05:38 PM
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IDK, in college, probably about 1 in 5 women were overweight if I had to guess. It really wasn't much. And living in a major city afterwards, that was probably slightly higher among the middle class/upper middle class socioeconomic strata I was in. Maybe 1 in 4, or 1 in 3? So to me that always felt more like top 20%, not top 5%. Maybe it was top 5%, since I wasn't counting people with vastly different lifestyles or socioeconomic classes, IDK. But even in those subsets of people, I still didn't f…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 04:50 PM
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IDK, that was just generally who I dated. But I didn't really treat them differently than each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 04:37 PM
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For a bro I know, if he's seeking a solution, I'll work through it with him and discuss it, be a sounding board, come up with a plan. If he's just whining though? FOH, let's talk about something else.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 04:32 PM
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...and none of that has made men more attracted to fat women. None of that has made heart disease look at a fat woman and say, "You know what? I'll spare her from coronary artery disease, she's just being herself." None of that has made men who wouldn't be nice to fat women before be nice to fat women now. None of that makes men at speed dating events who want an attractive partner "give a chance" to the fattest women there when his visceral reaction at the sight of her is disgust. So how "effec…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 04:31 PM
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Incels are a minority. Most men in Western countries have little difficulty getting laid or getting girlfriends.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 04:27 PM
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The short answer for why there's defeatism is that the brain is wired to protect psychological safety, particularly that of someone in a frail mental state. Which is why the solution is often challenge. If you create a sense of loss tied to not trying, then the brain will want to try. If you don't try, you can't truly fail. So if you can convince yourself that something is a lost cause, you can protect that last shred of psychological safety that suggests "well, I could do it if I really wanted …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 04:22 PM
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While I'm not redpill, I will say that some of the things the redpill has to say helped me make sense out of confusing adolescent interactions when I was younger - like why more girls that I was most uninhibited around always seemed to like me, and why if I caught a crush and started "liking" a girl and got serious around her and trying to impress her, that tended to fade. I learned some silly verbal tricks - which also work in friendships and in negotiation more generally - like how to label in…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 04:03 PM
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I'd generally agree with this, and it's a major reason why I stay purplepilled. Classic redpill always had too much of a focus on stupid gimmicky shit like pickup lines, cold approaches, and shitty-salesman-elevator-pitches, which is why I've never ascribed to it...but there were always some good nuggets in there about not pedestalizing the women as well as how to banter and flirt, how to actively listen and communicate with women (and break male-male communication patterns that are often deeply…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 03:53 PM
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A woman should have an expectation for how she wants to be treated and reject anyone who doesn't measure up to that. She should also be continually re-evaluating that standard for whether or not it's realistic, and can adjust it over time. As for me, if a woman was interesting to me, I just went off and had fun with her. I didn't pedestalize her, and I didn't catch feelings beyond initial butterflies until we were already dating, in which case I went at a pace that felt comfortable based on the …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 03:38 PM
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Random women on the internet aren't going to give that to you, nor do they care. Collectivist problems are unsolvable. Welcome to why socialism always fails. Economic socialism, and now what you're advocating for, which is basically sexual socialism - redistributive struggle sessions. 4 billion women are not going to come to you and apologize for their "privilege." For your own mental health, let go. You don't control the world, and will never be able to dictate global responses to placate those…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 03:27 PM
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You asked for an example, I gave you one. I also said in the last paragraph: He wasn't the only one Do I need to write out every last example of every guy I've ever known who's fit that mold? Cuz there's quite a few. Hell, there's quite a few "confused" guys on Reddit in the advice and datingadvice subs trying to figure out why they can't pull despite being 6'+ and "conventionally attractive" but they don't understand why women don't go for them. Behavior and mannerisms are extremely important i…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 03:22 PM
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The solution is what it always has been. But first... Men also hate women whining - why do you think "where have all the good men gone" triggers such incel rage? And us married guys certainly don't really GAF when we hear it either... NOBODY wants to hear adults bitching, and you realize as adults that most people's mental health is kinda hanging on by a thread, so they avoid negative people and negative experiences to safeguard it. So what's the solution? Grab life by the balls and fix your shi…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 03:12 PM
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I mean, it's just a suggestion. There's a reason "Reddit mod" is a negative stereotype (and no disrespect to the mods here who seem to allow a lot more discussion than most).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 03:01 PM
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Exactly. The way some dudes talk about bodybuilding as adults (especially here) is shit we'd have definitely called out as gay when we were all teens. Dudes here writing whole ass dissertations on male jaw structures. FOH
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 02:58 PM
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What I’ve learned though is a lot of people like the idea of romantic gestures more than the actual emotional stability attached to them. Those gestures create pressure, not emotional stability. They're way too much, too soon, and they create a sense that things are escalating while they are still getting to know someone. So yes, they're corny AF. This shouldn't need explanations from women to validate, I'm saying it here as a dude with plenty of dating experience (and I'm certainly not 18, alth…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 02:51 PM
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r slash incelexit is probably one of the better ones online, as long as they're looking to get past the anger and do something productive.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 02:44 PM
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This is the correct answer as to why some dudes talk like this. "Getting a woman to have sex with you" is seen as an accomplishment in all-male spaces, so the language those guys will use reflects that. Also, not to be discounted - a lot of guys lie about this stuff, too. "Yeah I banged her" is an easy thing for a guy to say to lie about something he hasn't done if he doesn't want his friends to know he's still a virgin, and isn't going to invite scrutiny or questions that would expose the lie. …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 02:41 PM
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Because we don't want to hear it either.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 02:34 PM
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I feel like anyone who doesn't understand this argument has never actually worked or travelled in the hood or in bad neighborhoods late at night. The difference is that there's often a behavior component - the dude tweaking out and mumbling to himself, or the scowling guy who's walking down the street extremely aggressively like he's angry about something... and even men know to cross the street, to put their hand in their pocket on the knife they're carrying, to be ready to unholster their CCW …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 02:25 PM
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Flowers and "romantic gestures" are corny AF especially when you're still in early stages. Just go have fun with them, man. Never said you were spineless...said that's how performative chivalry comes off.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 02:08 PM
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At least try to make it somewhat believable. I would really like to know where you live to be surrounded by so many tall, attractive, socially retarded men who somehow fail regardless of how they look :/ When I worked in finance, for one. A friend, 6'2" from a wealthy reformed Jewish family in the suburbs, went to a party school, knew a fair amount of women. nothing facially weird about him and not balding, dressed well, and had a good job and an apartment in Manhattan with roommates. You know, …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 02:00 PM
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Nah it's not that deep. Women just don't want to be pedestalized or feeling like they're dating a servant. Also, these guys usually lead with their generally nice, often spineless, and pedestalizing behavior. There's nothing for her to go off other than his "niceness" which feels fake and performative, so there's no connection or attraction, and she's left wondering why he appears to be holding himself back or otherwise uncomfortable with being a more normal/human version of himself, so with not…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 01:47 PM
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I responded to Zabadoodude. Nowhere did I say that. Nowhere did he say that (and I agreed with his comment). You then replied to me arguing about faked interests. You replied to me before I replied to you. I'm not sure why you're arguing a point neither one of us made.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 09:04 PM
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Nowhere have I suggested people do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 08:44 PM
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Interests can absolutely be artificially limited by upbringing. I know quite a few guys who were forced into bad habits like gaming because they were over-parented by poor parents who "had no money" for sports, made to study or stay in their rooms, and gravitated towards gaming and television since those were the only hobbies they were allowed to have except 1-2 they hated that parents forced (like "debate team" or band playing a classical instrument in a genre of music they didnt like). They we…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 03:22 PM
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I understand fine, and it's worked out well for me. Clearly you're the only one struggling with English so badly as to not get my original comment. Oh well, your loss. 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 03:16 PM
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Clearly you are the one struggling with language then. Do better. You are so out of touch and angry I'm not sure whether it's hilarious or pathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:06 PM
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There is a middle ground between pedestalizing and people-pleasing for a woman because you're desperate to get with her, and being an over-the-top exaggerated scowling asshole because you think it's attractive to women. Be fun, be someone people want to be around, disagree respectfully when you need to and agree when you agree, and banter and flirt around women generally. See who flirts back. If you're not interested in one who flirts back, stop flirting with her specifically, but be polite. If …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:21 AM
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"Sexually compatible" covers 90% of the stuff men here pedestalize to the omission of anything else on the list. The other stuff is simply having standards. When you pedestalize sex, you sell yourself short in other areas. Surely, if you understand the English language as a primary speaker (since you say "my language" but don't specify which one, I won't assume), you understand the meaning of "sexually compatible," no? Maybe think about the omission of the things that I say make a woman wife mat…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:01 AM
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Yup. Incels use the internet to "recruit" others to agree with them because misery loves company. Before online spaces proliferated, nobody heard from incels so there really wasn't much "recruiting" for them to do. Now, their bullshit needs to be pushed back on. And a good amount is likely foreign propaganda designed to destabilize gender relations in the Western countries, which countries that view Western countries as "competition" directly stand to benefit from economically, diplomatically, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 01:50 AM
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A lot of that writing is nerds who grew up to work in entertainment who continue to push the narrative of "hot guys are always jerks, but this nice, oofy-doofy, bumbling, incompetent fool can get a wife who stands by him through thick and thin because he's just so lovable beneath all the unattractive crap." These tropes are so played out, but you have to remember that Hollyweird is full of nerds and pedofiles.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 01:46 AM
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fr, men on this sub talk about 4b more than women do. Fun fact, most women are heterosexual and aren't going to resign themselves to spending their one and only life chaste and romantically alone for internet political points.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 01:19 PM
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Social cues and body language.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 01:17 PM
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If women spammed these same kind of arguments we'd be laughed off this sub. "No men, I promise you, feminine women are actually bad for you!" "Don't choose the busty women, they'll cheat." "Choosing older women is good for you because younger women don't know what they want!" Men would see right through that, and yet they think we're too dumb to see them doing the same thing. Ironically a lot of incel men do spam that in places like ppd tho. They call sex positive women "304s," as if women can't…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 01:09 PM
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This is such a bad take. One of the things you realize with a little more life experience is how broken everyone actually is, and exactly how much mental illness exists in the world, even among normies. Hooking up, in many cases, is about the woman...not the guy. If it was about the guy, she'd probably want more than a one night stand - if the sex was good, she'd want casual to keep it going...and if the sex and personality was there, she'd want FWB or maybe even a relationship. It's not about y…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:59 PM
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Your argument makes no sense though. Staying home by yourself is not a way to meet people, so there's no way "society" would ever expect people to stay at home, study alone, play video games, or go to bed early and expect to get relationships. Lots of guys meet girlfriends by studying in college...for an introvert, that's valid. But you still have to meet women to study with somewhere, and you still have to convey romantic interest if you want to date her, not just be passive and claim to be her…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:45 PM
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Also, I posted this elsewhere (I created it to explain relationships to ND's), but it summarizes what's necessary to fit into different boxes. Wife material is all four being mutual. Relationship Type Personality Sex/Attraction Loyalty Shared Goals Good Marriage X X X X Failed Marriage X X X Toxic Marriage X X X DeadBR Marriage X X X LTR/Amicable Divorce X X X FWB X X Fling/STR X one of these one of these ONS X Friend X X Colleague one/both of these one/both of these Minion X optional Incompatib…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:38 PM
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This. Also a lot of younger guys honestly have no idea who they are. They're who their parents shaped/forced them to be, which, in the case of bad parents, can be vastly different from who they want to be. They have to learn how to become who they want to be. "Be Yourself" tells those men to stay in their lane, stick to what's familiar and safe, not take risks, and not grow. It's arguably the worst thing you could tell those guys for their desired outcomes in dating, their own mental health, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:07 PM
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People will ignore shortcomings in one of three cases: The benefits outweigh the costs Fear Sunk cost factor Abusers weaponize 2 and 3, and some women were never taught to stand up for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:04 PM
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...And then they're surprised when 2 years into the relationship, they end up in a dead bedroom and she's "let herself go".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 11:56 AM
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It's actually highkey hilarious. I'll get accused by incels here of being Chad, a betabux loser whose wife is going to leave imminently, an uggo who skates by on his personality because I'm either ENTP or ENTJ depending on who you ask, a guy who thinks he has personality but really doesn't because I'm just good looking and benefited from halo effect my whole life, a bully who punches down, a clueless bluepiller who never had to learn this stuff because I got lucky, or a redpill adjacent jerk who…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 11:52 AM
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Nah some of us just want women that can keep up with us. We don't need to date down to maintain "power" in our own relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 11:48 AM
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So your "advice" is completely useless for men who are average and below average. No, my advice is the one thing that will help men who are average stand out, and can help men who are below average have redeeming qualities that might make them a prospective partner for someone who values connection over looks. Below average guys who don't develop a fun personality have to rely exclusively on looks, which dooms them. Average guys who don't develop a fun personality are utterly unremarkable, and w…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 11:46 AM
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Jesus, you people lead with such envy all the time. I've seen plenty of tall, conventionally attractive friends fail because they lack social skills. It's not that hard. Just go somewhere and have fun. That "initial spark" that people like you pedestalizes disappears in about 3 seconds if a guy sucks at socializing. Y'all do it to yourselves. By the time you interact with anyone, you've self-flagellated for so long that you have no confidence and that comes across. It makes you awkward, inhibite…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 11:42 AM
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Socializing is fun. If being around other people isn't fun, then maaaybe dating isn't for you since it, you know, involves other people. If you want to be alone, you can't blame others when they leave you...alone. And "go to church" is a social activity for many people, and how many religious dudes meet girlfriends. Asocial recluses get left behind.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 11:38 AM
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I have no idea what you're talking about. I consider myself above average and have never had problems attracting women. "Like a foot" - how old are you? Is that some kind of Boomer slang? Are you trying to ask me how tall I am?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 02:47 PM
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The physical: Extremely attractive, sexually compatible, healthy/fit, no disqualifying disabilities The personality: Easy conversation, compatible demeanor, compatible intelligence levels and communication styles, supportive, kind, loving, fun, funny, brings her own ideas to the relationship, loyal, willing to work through problems, can argue without turning toxic or abusive and remain focused on solving the disagreement, stands up for herself/you/any future children if the couple wants kids. Ro…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 02:42 PM
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Basic taking care of oneself and cultivating a self-identity that you're actually proud of isn't that hard. Building rapport and having fun with people isn't hard. Not racing to duplicitously label that building rapport "friendship" in an attempt to hide your intentions because you're secretly scared of rejection isn't hard. Start there.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 12:03 PM
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What? This isn't about looks. This is about how any average guy can meet and build rapport with women very easily, and the previous poster (who apparently either blocked me, got banned, or deleted his account) seems to be completely befuddled by normal rapport building. "Average guys" aren't struggling. Guys with 0 social skills are. And I've seen some dudes who should do well fail miserably because they lack social skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 12:00 PM
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I'm not "mad" about anything. I'm debating you, and you seem willing to discuss "male" behavior all day in the OP, yet when given a clear rebuttal, you have no argument to back up your claim except "I don't like that" and a never ending stream of gaslighting about being misunderstood. And, now that both have been thoroughly debunked, an appeal to emotion by claiming that I'm getting "mad" when you simply don't have an answer to a valid counterpoint. Since you're very clearly not "debating" in go…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 11:56 AM
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And yet again I see 0 advice coming from the bluepill about flirting, only your own personal hatred of it because you're asexual aromantic - and things like flirting that help build tension and attraction for most people when done by others they find attractive and fun, continue to be dismissed out of pocket by you despite the fact most single people enjoy them and consider them important within dating/relationships/hookups. The only misunderstanding here is that you seem to think that your own …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 09:46 PM
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And yet instead of making anything remotely resembling a cogent argument, or giving the men here who need it advice about flirting, you continue to accuse everyone else of misunderstanding you while you daily post threads denouncing sex and romantic/relationship intimacy of any kind while never talking about flirting at all - the good, the bad, etc. I don't need to ask for advice on flirting - I'm good, got it down, found my person, and we flirt with each other daily. This isn't about me. This i…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 09:41 PM
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Laughable take. I'm literally multitasking while at work. The "chronically online" are the ones who don't know how to socialize with women but somehow are resistant to advice and think they have it all figured out...this is all shit we figured out in middle school bro. Keep telling on yourself, its highkey hilarity. No wonder you can't figure it out, though - too busy stewing in your pwecious widdle anger to do anything else. Oh, right, let me guess...I'm an "asshole" because I'm telling the tru…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 09:38 PM
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Aww, does it feel good to get all that incel rage out? Let it all out buddy, it's okay
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:09 PM
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100%.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:05 PM
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YOU were the one befuddled by basic social interactions. L take. If you don't want to take the advice, then please, by all means...continue to struggle and be confused by basic interactions with women. Guarantee no one besides you is losing sleep over it. And that will be my last reply in this line of discussion, since clearly you just want to rant at men who aren't struggling like you. Not exactly winning behavior, but you do you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:04 PM
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This one. It's the pedestalizing of women that's a turn off. When I was dating, I got called "different" a lot as a compliment. Some guys are good at being fun, flirting, the game, until the woman is interested back. Then it becomes spineless people pleasing behavior, checking in on her constantly, suffocating levels of communication (often generic) and the opposite of how he behaved to get that far, and she loses interest. My advice to other men on this who struggle with it: give fewer fucks. J…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:02 PM
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Fun fact: most criminals are incels, unless you count dropping the soap. Despite all the hype they get in blackpill circles, it's kinda hard to pull in an all-male prison. These edgelord takes are really cringe, do better.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 07:38 PM
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The answer was in my first reply to you. Spend time with them, get to know them gradually, make plans for outside of the activity you got to know them from. Introduce banter, if that's received well progress to flirting, if that's received well ask her out. Of course that's going to look different for different women. They're all different people. What, like, you think you can magically take every woman to the same restaurant after discussing the same 4 topics with them, and they'll all just dro…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 07:37 PM
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When I was young I thought if I’m nice maybe I get a chance - so I didn’t join the other gang members rapin and SA women. This is kind of a wild take. "Having a chance" shouldn't be the only reason not to do these things. Fucking someone who doesn't want to fuck you isn't a flex...it's pathetic. The greatest joy in a relationship is being chosen, not in getting sex by any means necessary. Being a feminist isn't going to help you. What's going to help you is having a strong sense of identity and …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 07:34 PM
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I'm not sure if that was addressed to me, seeing as it didn't address any of the points in my comment, when what I'm giving is a clear reason why women don't go for the "nice guy." Besides, plenty of women have given "the nice guy" a chance and came to realize he wasn't nearly as nice as he pretended to be. Not every attractive guy with a personality is an "asshole" - that's just the projection of inhibited incels who hate that some men can be more carefree around women in ways they won't allow …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 07:30 PM
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Is WHO asked about it? You yourself dismissed flirting as "fake", not exactly a ringing endorsement of the blue pill supposedly giving great advice. There's a reason I stay purple pilled. Yet, the truth remains - most women want to be flirted with by men once mutual attraction has been established. Flirting makes attraction actionable. Blue pill has nothing to say on the matter. And I'm not going to continue to go back and forth with an asexual aromantic who posts variations of the same thread e…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 07:28 PM
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You: I still don’t know what they find as an appealing night out. There’s never a straight answer and I cannot read their mind to know everything that needs to be said and done on a night out. Doesn't sound like you know how they operate if you're saying that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 07:25 PM
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Most women, from talking to them, see it as an annoyance. It's like if every time you left your house, a homeless guy asked you for money. Eventually you'd get sick of it, and would just stop responding to it altogether, no matter how homeless or hungry the guy looks because it's just "here we go again." Sometimes women just want to get their groceries/do their laundry/commute and go home without being bothered. Cold approachers are basically panhandlers to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 07:24 PM
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Good comment. Hopefully the guys spamming "hey you're beautiful, can I have your number?" at random women walking the opposite direction on the sidewalk actually read it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 07:22 PM
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Online also has talking stages. I don't know why these guys think that talking to a complete stranger and asking for her number is some great strategy. Sure, someone might say yes once in a while, but you'll get far better yield by building a basic rapport with women first which, if you lead an interesting life, is super easy to do. Like, a cold approach literally knows nothing about the guy other than "he thinks she's hot enough, I guess...and he can maybe give her the most generic compliment e…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 07:21 PM
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And they're going to do the same thing by flirting with socialism. Sure, let radical Islamists who hate Western society, don't believe in Western freedoms, and reject Western women's freedoms into the country en masse. Appease a Chinese dictatorship built on a surveillance state hell-bent on dominating world economics and supplanting the US as the premier superpower. While we're at it, decriminalize everything, let violent criminals out, spend public funds we don't have on programs that have zer…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 07:18 PM
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If a nice guy is boring, he's still a boring guy. Most people don't want to enter in relationships with people they find boring. Imagine you had a woman who didn't flirt with you, didn't make you feel sexy, but was always doing you favors. She didn't tell interesting stories, wasn't funny, had no sexual experience, and struggled with her confidence. But she was "nice." If you have standards, you wouldn't enter into a relationship with her. "Nice guys" fundamentally don't understand this. And wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 07:09 PM
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You've already established that you're an outlier (asexual aromantic) so the rule holds. BP doesn't have answers about flirting/banter. Falls under "be yourself" which for many people (especially young people) who haven't finished the self-discovery process and are very much socially inhibited because of unresolved paranoia level fears of social settings/outcomes, is dogshit advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:54 PM
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I said being able to interact socially with women has nothing to do with looks. Most incels are completely average looking anyway. They aren't some 400 pound ogre with mantits who smells like Cheetos and hasn't been able to properly wipe his ass since the Obama administration. Being able to interact socially with women is a precursor to drawing interest. Women don't just decide they want to fuck, relationship, or marry a guy based off how he looks...and in the spaces where that kind of thing can…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:50 PM
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Biologically, there are more young men than women, so with simple math of a 48/52 population split between women and men in their 20s, assuming a strong general preference towards monogamy, and assuming equal rates of homosexuality and polyamory in the population, ~8% of men literally won't have a woman existing to offset their own existence and be a potential match. Also men who "take what they can get" relinquish any power they'd have to choose their own partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:45 PM
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You know it takes 2 to tango so it doesn’t make sense to demand purity from women while allowing men to openly lust after women That's radical Islamism for you. Homosexuals get stoned to death, women have no rights and have to cover up, but pedofile clerics can do sick shit like bacha bazi and have 15 wives, and that's fine. Even the "traditional" cultures have their BS, they just weaponize it to keep other men down so the ones in power can break the very rules they hold others to.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:43 PM
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The irony is that these dudes' low standards don't actually help women either. The men with low standards fuck things up for everyone. They simp for women, which normalizes that societally - even though it's not what women want (which can be confusing for "average men") They also annoy the shit out of all women because they spray desperation everywhere, which makes women much more wary of - and hostile to - interactions with all stranger men. There are ways past this for the socially adept, but …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:40 PM
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100% this. BP also completely overlooks flirting, mannerisms, and fun as important factors in attraction. We live in a world where we are naturally suspicious of strangers because they usually want something, or may be dangerous in a world where we often no longer lock up violent criminals. Just being nice was never enough. That used to be circumvented through arranged marriages or close knit friend groups where people were pre-selected (though even that didn't eliminate abuse). Now that people …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:31 PM
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It's really all about how it's framed. It's only online that this narrative of everyone knowing your body count is a thing. Most people just move through the world in relative silence and only their friends know what's up. Fun, flirty people tend to do well and get more attention in the marketplace. No one is being shamed for that. Women still get shamed for being seen as "easy," and guys get shamed for being pushy, desperate, or tryhards...but not for being easy, charismatic flirts who do well …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:10 PM
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Lots of things are expensive. But that's still about desired lifestyle. There's a bar that has to be met - and for most middle class women, that bar is middle class. Marrying up is often overrated anyway, if it comes with baggage like having to put with heirs, relatives looking down or weaponizing money to control people, etc. And even middle class people aren't immune from that, which is often why you date someone. Someone with a toxic family who won't stand up to their family can and should be…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:05 PM
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It's really not that hard. Just go hang out and do things that appeal to both sexes, eventually there will be women there, hang out with them, and don't make it weird. Has nothing to do with looks. Go volunteer at a museum where mostly women work, where the work the museum does is interesting to you. Then just talk to them like normal people without hitting on them at first sight, be around when people start to make plans, and eventually you'll get invited too. Then just go out and have a good t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:56 PM
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Even better when they continue to cite that old ass 15 year old OKcupid survey with terrible design that didn't even score responses correctly as some sort of incontrovertible "proof" of 20/80 or whatever other BS they're on about.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:12 AM
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Money was defining back when women didn't have choice, sure, but it hasn't been relevant in the West for over 50 years. It exists as a dealbreaker only if someone's lifestyle potential simply doesn't measure up to what the prospective partner desireis. It does not - and has never - inspired actual attraction, and in fact attraction can supersede lack of money quite easily for short-term or if someone is willing to take that on for the right person.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:11 AM
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The men working to improve themselves are working on the wrong things. If you're already fit, going to the gym doesn't help you. If you're already nonexpressive and bad at body language, trying to become a hyper-scowling caricature of masculinity isn't going to help you. If you're already the class clown, and struggle to identify, hold, and ultimately release sexual tension in healthy ways, getting funnier isn't going to help you. If you have a decent face, but don't meet a lot of women, plastic…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:08 AM
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This, very true. To add onto that: Also, you don't control who you meet and when...there are lots of good partners out there, and you might meet one early and not be ready for something serious, or fumble, or get pulled apart because of education, geography, or early career jobs. So much of dating/relationships is timing. But generally, attractive people are able to have good options and maintain high standards so they're not wasting time dating undesirables, which also makes it more likely they…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:03 AM
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losing weight and getting in shape Bare minimum. It will prevent him from not getting noticed. It won't get him noticed. going to speed dating and therapy "going" doesn't mean changing his behavior. anyone can force themselves to go to something and be miserable. can they be active participants? are they social at the activity? in therapy are they actually doing the work, or are they just ranting and justifying their unhelpful views? going to book clubs and other hobby activities again, "going".…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 07:26 AM
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I think anyone would "assume" you're struggling with it yourself because you're making the claim that suggests these things - that many people try that do work - don't work. Otherwise, you're just likely online a lot and arguing someone else's viewpoint for them based on their own self-reporting that you've uncritically accepted as truth, which - in reality - may or may not be accurate. I mean, specific actions they took: "Improve social skills" - does that mean learning social cues, more expres…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 08:54 PM
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Everyone goes through failure. How you respond to failure demonstrates character. Most of them aren't doing much to meet women IRL, aren't cultivating social circles, haven't learned how to flirt, and almost exclusively resort to online dating... ...while they spend months consuming manosphere content. Those are choices that demonstrate character (or lack thereof). In any case, it's abundantly clear that in many cases, looks are not the culprit.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 05:05 PM
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Yes. Although the implications of an infertile (read: not sterile) man would be far less significant, as less expensive treatments such as IUI are clinically indicated for male factor infertility that isn't severe, so it isn't as likely to be as much of a dealbreaker...but should still be disclosed and doubly so if it's severe and would require the more expensive interventions. And again, most heterosexual men won't know they're infertile until they try to conceive and nothing happens so both pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 03:01 PM
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If they know they are infertile and they don't disclose that to a partner, yes. However, most infertile women don't know they are infertile until they try to conceive and nothing happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 02:44 PM
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For sure. I mean, if someone can't even sustain friendships, that's usually a pretty good tell that they aren't good company. And if they don't know how to flirt, that's a double whammy. Interesting thing is most incels, when they post pics of themselves, are just average looking. They'd do fine if they had a better personality (read: "fun" not "nice") and could flirt, but they get so hung up on jaw lines, looks, and analyzing women to a degree that couldn't possibly be fun that they become tota…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 02:30 PM
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Exactly. I say this all the time, it's video game mindset. They're looking for the "up down up down AB AB left right C" of women. It doesn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 02:05 PM
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...and that's just as sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 02:00 PM
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No, because fictional characters don't handle situations. They're one dimensional characters written to advance a plot. I literally don't care about fictional characters beyond whatever entertainment they provide; they're not real.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 05:20 AM
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That's just weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 05:13 AM
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Disagree. Fictional characters are a desperate, incomplete, last resort of dudes who've failed to identify any IRL male role models. Most people will find a bad IRL role model - an Andrew Tate, or someone else like that - before they look up to a fictional character.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 05:08 AM
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The problem isn't the absence of male role models. The problem is the divergence between families with positive male role models and families without one, and that society increasingly glorifies men who exemplify all the wrong attributes. Rappers, celebrities, shock influencers and pranksters, street fights, incels, manospherians, pedofile politicians (both parties - I'm an equal opportunity hater of political scum), etc. While there are MANY positive role models in society - including some infl…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 04:59 AM
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It's not that they're demisexual, they just don't know how to nurture attraction, build tension, and ultimately release tension because they lack social cues, nonverbal communication skills, and social skills. Also, overly analytical communication styles do not leave room for feelings to develop unless someone is deeply sapiosexual, but then there also has to be a curiosity for new knowledge present that many autists either lack or struggle to convey in ordinary conversation. Hookup culture is u…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 04:12 AM
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Hard disagree on this. So you think they should just lie to their partners, lead them on when their partners want biological kids with their partners and - surprise! - time for you to pay up for IVF, egg donors, and a surrogate! This is sick.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 04:09 AM
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Disagree. Everyone is a work in progress. Believing in someone's potential is not a literal thing you say to someone. It's as simple as a thoughtful comment when they say they want to try something that "Oh, that's awesome - you'd probably be great at that in no time because you're a quick learner and you've already good at [XYZ foundational skills]" It's not as heavy a conversation as you're making it out to be. Big difference between that kind of energy and the kind of guy saying shit like "wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 05:06 PM
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As a guy, this is valid. When I've given women compliments, I usually go for something specific, or something hypothetical that demonstrates I believe in her potential. Much better, and they're genuine. "Beautiful" is about as lazy, generic, and low effort as it gets. I also found that when I was dating, being upfront about looking to meet people and see where it goes while being open to long term if there was a connection worked. Most marriage-minded men feel that way, and you just establish op…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 04:52 PM
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Well, yeah, someone who tries more things is going to be more interesting to women since they'll naturally have more things to talk about, more experiences to share, and more opportunities to meet them by trying things. Someone who only has one hobby is going to be one-dimensional, and if that one hobby is predominantly male and they don't have anything else going on, they're cooked on personality most likely unless they're attractive and extremely open minded and socially gifted.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 01:54 PM
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I mean, there are a lot of contradictions in pill spaces, but the majority of the men here are outliers so it doesn't make sense to extrapolate their behaviors to the general population. And yes, incels (not men) are full of contradictions which is why they struggle to get any results romantically/sexually. The only IRL incel I know is a friend from HS. He was the first among us to have a long-term GF (in college, they were together two years), whereas mine were always short lived to that point.…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 01:35 PM
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Let's look at this in a middle school context, since that is when it starts: I don't think women complain about it in dating, but there is such a thing as a guy being too passive, which often comes off as nonchalance. "Quotes" are used for any term used ironically, to reframe pill narratives around male archetypes as they are commonly used, not because I necessarily ascribe to thinking of people that way. Never mind the BS in how boys socialize with other boys, that guys who spend more time with…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 01:20 PM
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If I say “men do X,” the response is “not all men.” If I say “some men” or “many men,” then I’m accused of secretly meaning “all men” anyway. It starts to feel like unless I name specific individuals, I’m not allowed to talk about patterns at all, and if i do, then it's anecdotal, and no point in talking about specific men. Which makes any kind of discussion about behavior basically impossible. Because such narratives are collectivist in nature and serve no meaningful basis for analysis. The "me…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 12:55 PM
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Women do not "give" men sex, FFS it's not a cookie the teacher doles at 2:59pm for being a good boy in class all day. Sex is something that occurs naturally when non-asexual people get together, flirt, enjoy each other, and give into wanting with each other. It is not a reward system. Men who autistically condition themselves to view sex as a reward will inherently waste time and energy doing things while not setting the proper mood, leading themselves on to a lifetime of frustration and impoten…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 12:38 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 11:14 PM
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Because the men who say shit like that have such a warped understanding of humanity they actually think that shit like chatgpt and character dot ai actually mimics humans when all it is, is ai sycophancy with a tailored "picture" added to the text.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 04:38 PM
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LOL the lengths to which posters will go to defend "gamers." "Politics" cannot be easily measured by arguments that break things down into binary "leftist vs rightist" narratives. Most people don't care all that much about politics and care more what someone thinks about individual voters. A liberal woman will date a conservative man who supports her right to choose. A conservative woman will date a liberal man as long as he supports controlling migration and penalizing criminals, particuarly vi…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 04:36 PM
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Its not that difficult. Spend time with women, have fun, and nurture the sexual undertones when you first meet. If there are no undertones or it isn't fun, then get out. Over time, discover whether you want similar lifestyles. If not, break up and start over. You're not gonna get anywhere if either person is autistically comparing the other to a spreadsheet.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 12:55 PM
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Nothing triggers incel rage on this sub more than "stop wasting time on video games, learn how to socialize, build a social circle, and learn how to banter/flirt" These guys bitch about not getting to hook up, then proceed to treat bars, clubs, parties, drinking, dancing, karaoke, and spending time with women like kryptonite
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 12:44 PM
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what in dating isn't low ROI? people out there can go on 100s of dates for years (from w.e. source you want - social circles w.e.) without finding their one. That's a lot of investment with no return. The return is going to be the experiences. They don't need to find "their one" - relationships and flings can still be enjoyable and not last. he will get better with practice. anything can be learned yes. So then he should focus on getting better at the things that are higher ROI instead of cold c…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 11:05 PM
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are you saying cold approach is more comfortable? lol it's the least comfortable thing to do. requires most courage and skill to do well. LOL No it doesn't. It requires you to talk to a stranger for at most a couple of minutes, and if they reject you, you never see them again, they have no idea who you are or where you work, don't know anybody you know, and that's that. then it's an argument in favour of cold approach as it takes least time to execute. there are people there with busy lives you …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 05:38 PM
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There is too much violence in the world for "men" to help everyone. If they were ever in danger, I'd kill for my wife and daughter to keep them safe. But I'm also not going to risk my own safety - when they need me to come home - to "protect" strangers. I'll help others if it doesn't risk my safety though.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 08:18 PM
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I always use the "subway train ride through the bad neighborhood" analogy here. When you're on the train in a major Western city (think NYC, Chicago, etc.), you'll notice the increased antisocial behavior in the bad neighborhoods - someone playing loud music, aggressively panhandling, two people almost (or actually) getting into a fight, that one deranged dude mumbling to himself and pacing... It's natural to conclude that the whole neighborhood itself is unsafe. Yet, lost in that, is that the m…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 06:30 PM
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This sub is certainly not representative of men. I'm only here to help dispel BS manosphere narratives (as a few others are, too) because this gender war nonsense hurts Western societies. IRL there are a lot more men who think like I do than think like these guys do. Hell, growing up in our 20s, "wife material" was very much a thing for guys...with the understanding that if you were with someone like that, you locked it down. Wife material = the total package. Nobody whose girlfriend was "wife m…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 06:12 PM
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Incels are not representative of "men." Attractive / reasonably attractive men already understand this. Everyone knows that if men were to be objectified, it's going to be overweight or chopped women hitting on them, not gorgeous cheerleaders, college co-eds, Instagram models, former college athletes, etc. Attractive people don't have to desperately bother strangers for attention, so they often don't. The incels who dream of being objectified dream that "Stacy" is going to be doing it. No, that'…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 05:58 PM
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Also, men still need those exciting traits to attract women for a LTR. A man struggling with that is going to struggle finding a woman to sleep with him even in a relationship. Extremely true. A lot of the dudes here simply do not understand this simple truth: You need to be her boyfriend before you can be her husband. The guys who try to skip the boyfriend part are always the ones who end up in dead bedrooms.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 05:42 PM
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Someone who wants to be with a different woman every week is likely inexperienced. Once you've dated or been around enough to know your own preferences...and you find a hot, fun, woman who's good to be around and actually likes you / wants to fuck you / wants what you want out of life, you really don't want that level of variety anymore because odds are the variety you get will be worse most of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 05:36 PM
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The problem with this is that it isn't all the attractive men doing this. Lots of unattractive and asocial people end up with partners. Read stories about women who "gave the nice guy a chance" - some of those are way more abusive. If you get your understanding of the world from online, don't be surprised when you read mostly unhappy stories - because happy people aren't spewing posts all over the Internet about how perfect everything is, and they aren't becoming influencers by posting 3x a day …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 05:20 PM
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You communicate about these things beforehand, establish that it's important to both of you, and then it won't be a problem. You don't coast through life. "Yeah, after we have kids, I'm not really gonna wanna fuck you anymore. We're probably done." -pretty much no woman ever who's actually attracted to her husband. You do realize many seniors are still having active sex lives, right? You don't just stop wanting it because you had kids. Dead bedrooms are very much the exception.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 12:25 PM
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Congrats on being in the top 5%! But no, most people on-average are having sex about once a week. The second largest stat after that is once a month. In fact, about 30% of couples on-average are having sex once a month or less, so that's almost 1 out of every 3 couples. Are you adjusting for age? Lots of married couples in their 60s and 70s who I'd imagine bring that average way down. As to your last point, yes, sex goes down when you have kids. But a lot of that isn't about "desire" it's about …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 11:48 AM
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I don't know why you're making this an either-or situation. Because most people's time is limited, and the people resorting to cold approaches almost never have a social circle or anything else going on...so they're prioritizing comfort over results.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 11:43 AM
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Because women cannot model to men to be better men, and there is a crisis of good men right now because there is a fatherhood crisis. Lots of Dads are getting it right, and their kids are off doing things and not bitching to the Internet about not being able to attract women / "good men" while spending 15 hours a day staring at screens. Kids often follow what is modeled (so if their parents are bad role models they need other role models), not what they are "taught"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 11:40 AM
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50% of couples meet online, not through dating apps. "Online" = online communities, social media, playing the same games, etc. My advice is not simply "stop doing X" - my advice is opportunity cost. Someone who needs to improve social skills is going to get far better returns by investing time and energy into building a social life for themselves and practicing socialization in mixed settings than they are by approaching strangers with a 15 second elevator pitch. If someone wants to get better a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 09:44 PM
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This is generally true for both men and women. You don't need a set amount of experiences, but the right amount, and enough breadth of experience around people to know what you do and don't like, and what you can/will and can't/won't tolerate. For most people, this will involve dating a bunch of people, a few serious LTRs, maybe some casual flings in between, and that's enough. It doesn't mean everyone needs to rack up a specific "body count" or have a set number of relationships before deciding…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 09:15 PM
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Can't relate, but that's not really true in my experience. Most couples with kids still have sex. Most people that have genuine attraction fuck like rabbits in the beginning and then eventually it slows down a little as you see each other more often, but you're still having sex multiple times a week. That's been my experience, but I never really dated low libido types. That said, living together is a great way to screen for this, since for most people that's when the amount of sex drops, but not…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 08:16 PM
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Even with people who are actively sexual, it doesn't always have to lead somewhere. It really depends. There's also a big difference between me draping my leg over my wife's on the couch, or playfully squeezing her butt when I walk past her, and her fondling my crotch or me playing with her breasts. One says snuggles, the other suggests sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 07:27 PM
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Sounds like those people are just asexual then. However, one does not require the other. You can still have an active, healthy, fun, raunchy sex life and still make time for snuggling without it necessarily needing to lead to sex every time. Physical touch as a love language may correlate with libido, but libido and physical touch as a love language are essentially two different things. People should aim to be matched on both, IMO, among other things.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 07:25 PM
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People don't say this because it's un-noble. They say this because it pedestalizes women and turns confidence into external validation, which is exactly the mindset that causes lack of confident/self-esteem issues, and unattractive levels of desperation, which are like repellent to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 07:22 PM
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Women do love physical touch. Pretty much every woman I've been with has absolutely adored it. There's a difference between "physical touch" and "sex" however. Don't get me wrong - sex is great, but sometimes you're both tired, or you've gone 2-3 rounds already and you still want touch. Physical touch is about everything from holding hands, to snuggling on the couch, to spooning each other, to backrubs, foot massages, bellyrubs, neckrubs, nuzzling, guiding her by the small of her back when you'r…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 05:03 PM
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Add shared life goals to this, and it's pretty accurate. Successful LTRs/marriages require 4 things: Mutual attraction Mutual enjoyment of personality/friendship Mutual shared goals for way of life and future way of life Trust/safety (can be classed as "minimal drama") There is no such thing as no drama. You are going to have disagreement, arguments, and points of conflict with anyone you live in close proximity to, even roommates. What matters in a gf/wife is how the two of you push past that -…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 04:33 PM
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It really doesn't matter all that much, unless she's a gold digger (which is a minority of women). Project thots and trailer parks need not apply. Always dated UMC and middle class women. Never had issues around paying on dates (or splitting). Women would almost always offer to pay for things naturally without me prodding, whether it was splitting or taking turns.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 04:31 PM
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It's not American at all. It's a gamer thing, and an ND (classify, sort, reorder) thing. The gamers think life is create-a-player mode and if you get certain stats you can get your "looksmatch" who also has similar stats. The NDs need to have that rigid understanding of the world and then invariably end up trying to compare and contrast men to women to see if they can unlock a rigid repeatable formula for what works with "women" while ignoring individuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 04:03 PM
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The thing that's weird is the same people who make arguments like that "the sex was bad so he left her" also argue that experienced women should "teach" virgins. I have my own views on the topic which are quite different from OP, but in general I think "using" somebody for sex is generally when they don't experience pleasure but you do, which is shitty in general. If they both consented and orgasmed, nobody was used, regardless of what happens (or doesn't) the next day.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 03:22 PM
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It's proven by the fact cold approaching is always one of the least cited reasons for couples partnering. Yes, I do know better than someone who is literally complaining because they aren't getting what they want. "Cold Approaching" isn't a social skill. It's just a lazy low effort solution peddled to struggling men - that doesn't carry much of a perceived cost to try - by people who are selling something. And then when socially awkward guys try it and suck at it, here come the grifters with the…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 11:03 PM
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Okay, well those can continue to not get results and stay frustrated then. The difference between me and you is that I'm giving that something that has better likelihood to work, and you're selling them on convenience and luck while affirming whatever they think, which, let's be real, if their intuition was that good, they wouldn't be struggling so hard. 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 08:32 PM
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Because it is readily available: Nobody pretends that being nice compensates for not being attractive. Even the very worst form of bluepilled advice from mothers and grandmothers says to unattractive asocial men "be kind to women, and get a nice job, and someday you'll meet a nice girl who'll appreciate you". At no point in that (still horrendous) advice, did they say some beautiful, popular, badass, confident, athletic, creative, socially skilled, motivated woman will choose him. Anyone can loo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 03:14 PM
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"It only takes 30 seconds to pay for a QuickPick and probably lose money, so that's more productive than setting up a whole ass E-Trade account, connecting it to my bank, and trying to figure out which index fund to buy"
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 01:51 PM
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Which is why they're undateable. That's pathetic. Who wants to marry that? Who wants to have kids with that? What if she gets sick? "Oh, my husband isn't going to get pussy if I drop dead, so I'm totally cool with the fact he'll be a fat lazy slob who won't parent our kids, and will probably leave them orphaned after he gorges on video games and fast food, loses the house, and dies young, because I wasn't there to give him pussy" - what woman is going to say that? These are basic hallmarks of ad…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 01:23 PM
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This is a stupid argument. Poor people are the people who can least afford to play the lottery; they should learn basic budgeting and investment skills first, as that will deliver better results. Likewise, incels who can't get dates should avoid cold approaching and instead focus on improvement (including in the social realm) coupled with higher probability methods of success. You are telling poor people to buy lottery tickets. The grifters are doing the same thing. And profiting from it. While …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 01:20 PM
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Because grifters on the internet tell them to. And just like lottery tickets, once in a blue moon it works for somebody. Lots of people play the Lottery, too, even though it's a tax on stupid people by the state and the expected payouts are negative.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 10:08 AM
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Therapy often fails for men because like male friendships tend to be rooted around activities, male corrective measures need to be rooted around improvement, not introspection. The introspection can accompany that improvement, but the improvement must come first or simultaneous to the introspection. It's a major difference that affects how most men are socialized to interact in the world, and if you want to reach them, it has to be in that manner. The problem is, you can only help those who want…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 10:02 AM
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Asking a woman about her body count and sperging insecurity and FOMO isn't a dating strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 09:50 AM
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You determine your worth as a human being, not the dating market. So if you see yourself as "worthless", that's a you problem. True confidence comes from internal awareness rooted in objective reality. It does not come from others. External validation is temporary anyway, why would you choose to rely on it?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 07:29 AM
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...and then they think they can turn that off when they meet women. It always comes out sooner or later. You can't have that level of self-loathing and be "confident" and confidence absolutely matters. Naturally blackpillers dismiss it as halo effect even though unconfident guys with looks struggle too.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 07:26 AM
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People assume that the attitudes expressed here are what guys are bringing with them onto dates. It's so stupid. They certainly are if young women are increasingly reporting getting asked about their body counts, exes, or things they did with exes.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 07:24 AM
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It means not using condoms, presumably.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 07:23 AM
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There is a massive difference between "women generally prefer more attractive men" and "if you're not naturally 6'4 with a square jawline, ripped abs that just happened, perfect genetics (which of course also includes social skills), you're cooked bro" There's also a difference between things mattering and being deterministic, but the socially inept men who are gravitating towards today's redpill don't understand that. They're looking for video game cheat codes, mathematical formulas, and spread…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 07:18 AM
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Reminder: incels often don't see themselves as "masculine", or very good at being "masculine" so they often assume that's the differentiator. If they're ND, they also struggle with labels. That's why there's such an obsession in incel spaces with being "dominant" "masculine" "status" etc. These are all just labels they put on normal human behaviors that they struggle with because they are often pushovers in person with unhealed childhood traumas, and have deep seated insecurities about their bod…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 05:10 AM
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i’m not sure if we’ll ever see a return back to the market favoring in person experiences as heavily. Socialization is dropping . With homeschooling on the rise, remote schooling on the rise, remote jobs, work from home jobs, food delivery, curbside etc. I do think online dating will increase, but dating apps will get better. People in society will become more isolated just by default. They would have to specifically and purposely create and seek in person experiences. As that won’t be the path …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 04:59 AM
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A cold approach signals desperation. Approaching a total stranger, with nothing in common, to give them some generic compliment and ask them for a date or phone number is just cringe. If you're doing something that's vaguely social, or you have something nonsexual to talk about to initiate a conversation, maybe some women will be open to it. But telling a woman she's beautiful, like she hasn't heard that a million times and knows it to mean "I'd have sex with you" and then asking for a number or…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 04:46 AM
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I can hold my own doors (though she holds them for me when I'm carrying stuff), we take turns on meals, and we both initiate sex. So it really doesn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 07:43 PM
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This, too. It's cringeworthy that (some) pediatricians still give dogshit advice like "make the son look like the father" at prenatal classes about this. Only serves to perpetuate the mutilation.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 06:51 PM
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The thing these people (incels and femcels) don't get is that popular people are popular because they are charismatic. The popular ones are usually not making fun of the unpopular ones, outside of movies. They're usually just hanging out with other popular people. It's usually the insecure, middle-tier kids who have some extroversion capable traits and desperately want to "impress" the popular ones who turn to cruelty to ingratiate themselves. And sometimes the popular people will laugh to be ag…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 05:58 PM
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Based on the following: Is she physically attracted to him? Does he take the initiative and clearly communicate his intentions/feelings for her? Is he too agreeable, or does he stand up for himself and disagree with her, indicating a greater deal of transparency/truthfulness? How does he treat those who he doesn't want anything from, who don't matter? His doorman, service workers, security guards at his work, strangers? What are his friends like? If they aren't always great, does he acknowledge …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 05:46 PM
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My answer is going to be a bit more complex. In the US, I agree with you that singleness rates will rise, but the rate of increase will slow. There will be more dating eventually, in time, as the market adjusts to favor in-person experiences again over digital/screen connection. Dating will be more about presence than about performative "impressing" the other person, and with it will die expectations of large financial investment in early dates (largely due to economics). Early sex will be less …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 04:40 PM
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Agreed - "Liberal" has become so overused that it ceased to mean anything. Depending on who you ask, it ranges from "leftist" to libertarian (which is generally considered a more conservative position), which is why I don't really like using it (and put it in quotes, as colloquially it means anyone slightly left-leaning, which also isn't a useful distinction as people in that camp have a wide range of views on different topics). However, DSA is a specific political organization with memberships …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 03:44 PM
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This honestly reads more as you pedestalize women rather than anything resembling feminist beliefs. As somebody who supports women's rights and equality but doesn't self-name as a feminist because of some of the things that fall under the broader umbrella of feminism that either actively harm men or push harmful political ideologies, by your own argument, I'd be a better "feminist" than you would. Also, a lot of the "provide and protect" narrative of men isn't rooted in real action. If someone t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 03:39 PM
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You've proven nothing. Every attemp to claim "status" is just slapping that label on separate behaviors and skills. Y'all talk about status here daily, and y'all can't even agree on a meaning. You're claiming social skills are status, another guy is claiming visibilty is, others daily argue it's money, homeownership, or career...and most of you are spending more time thinking about other men than about women. It's a made up construct ND's use to try and simplify understanding the world. It doesn…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 11:59 AM
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No, visibility is visibility. Now you're just making shit up.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 11:54 AM
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Democratic socialists of America (aka far leftists) Women of Child Bearing Potential (medical term)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 04:36 PM
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lib women *leftist Most women despise rapists, don't want illegal aliens in the country, and want sex offenders harshly punished. It's only the DSA wackjobs destroying the country who seem to be pushing this pro-criminal agenda. Problem is, most view abortion as an important right for young women (or themselves if they are still WOCBP), so unless conservatives moderate on abortion, they aren't really going to listen to anything they have to say on the other policies, and will hold their nose for…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 01:51 PM
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Because men are not taught how to be men when they are boys. They are alternatingly mollycoddled by some mothers, and there is a dearth of positive male role models especially in a world where so many children are born to single mothers, which becomes a vicious cycle. Part of becoming a man is taking agency over your life, not caring what others think, and ultimately pursuing and obtaining what you want, and putting in the work necessary to get it where you fall short. To learn from mistakes. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 01:44 PM
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The point is that shy awkward weirdos of either gender are unattractive, and the shy awkward men claiming that shy awkward women have it better come off delusional and pathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 12:38 PM
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All these mental gymnastics to justify rigid hierarchical thinking. Within a group, women pursue who they are attracted to and connect with. The only ones bleating about dominance and hierarchy are weird insecure nerds. Yes, women don't go for losers with no friends. That's not "status" that's social skill. Within any social group, 1-2 people will take on more of a leadership role naturally...they are no more or less likely to pull than anyone else in the group. This is pretty much understood am…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 12:36 PM
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That's visibility, not status. People notice the performer because...they're the performer. They know the venue owner because the owner makes rounds or they interact with him to get in...if he sits in the back office putting receipts into quickbooks noone cares. Hell, bartenders and security - far from status-y positions - get noticed as well. You people are really grasping at straws here.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 12:32 PM
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Wtf do femboys have to do with anything? Dudes who like to present as women are gonna be weird AF to women. Controversial, I know, but hetero women want the men they like to present as, well, men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 02:12 AM
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Now do socially awkward and socially inept men. Why should hot women who like socializing and prefer to have fun "give them a chance" just because he claims to be "safe" and "loyal" when he has no relationship history and no options to back up either of those claims?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 01:49 AM
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Most people like to have fun before being "emotionally vulnerable". A lot of 'nice guys' miss that. If she can't have fun w/you, why even bother? The "deeper connection" isn't worth investigating if the cursory stuff isn't there and you're asking for emotional work for her to be vulnerable herself and manage a guy's emotions who she isn't enjoying spending time with. Stop making initial interactions so heavy/serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 01:40 AM
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The thing that's hilarious is how they think women in the west are more masculine. I've been called masculine when I debate online by total idiots because I am "argumentative" (aka they're stupid on the same frequency as flat earthers so of course I'm not gonna accept that and push back) with them but anyone who knew me irl knows I'm the softest spoken, girly, on average non-confrontational person ever. In fact most of my family, friends, colleagues are on average smarter and more competent than…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 10:12 PM
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None of that is status, that's social skills. Besides, we both know what men here often mean when they status is "older, has his own place, has money" because they fight like hell resisting any instructions or advice to improve socially with the fire of a thousand suns, mysteriously citing levels of neurodivergence that are so severe as to be crippling in all aspects of life despite the statistical improability of all those people gathering in one subreddit on one site yet somehow purport to be …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 10:05 PM
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None of that has to do with "status." That's an artificial construct. It sounds like people just enjoyed socializing with you, and if you ran in promiscuous circles then women who had a good experience will sometimes share that with friends if they're not actively pursuing things with him, which will make other promiscuous girls curious or want to try it for themselves. That's not "status" that's being good in bed and giving women orgasms. You think some 35 year old virgin software engineer with…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 06:46 PM
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Exactly, a joke isn't risky. So what if a joke misses. Laugh at yourself, and keep the conversation moving. "No? No? Well, alrighty then" and onto the next thing. These guys make talking to women, making a joke - all these basic aspects of human interaction - sound like they require summoning the courage to try out the flying trapeze or skydiving or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 06:14 PM
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And I come from shitty narcissistic parents - a mother who was lazy and thought 10-hour screaming matches and physical abuse were normal, who weaponized the fact that my father was clueless about money to hold power over him, and a detached father who gave me next to no useful advice about meeting women (or anything else for that matter) and had a temper that could go from 0-to-100 somewhere between the 3rd and the 4th hour of screaming matches, but was otherwise utterly detached, and preferred …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 04:16 PM
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The only person my lack of understanding has hurt is myself. Exactly. So own it, move forward, and get better results for yourself. Stop worrying about "society", it's not going to change for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 04:07 PM
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And you are effectively playing Russian roulette every time you do that. I'd rather stay live and not allow myself to be victimized, just to prove some point to a society that doesn't care about that point, and isn't going to mimic your behavior. And if I was in your shoes when you where younger, I'd rather learn the social cues involved with women than dismiss their viewpoints because of some odd fixative idealization of how I "think" other people should behave.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 04:04 PM
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It's not about "will," it's about probability. People don't take risks with their personal safety, and it's reasonable to not expect them too. There are hundreds if not thousands of examples of women being assaulted for rejecting men. And men with a clue understand this...this is why fathers take their daughters shooting at the gun range, encourage them to carry small knives or pepper spray, and to remain aware of surroundings at all times. Some gangbanger-looking guy approaches you in the middl…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 03:57 PM
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It's the answer to "why can't women just be honest when they aren't interested in you?"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 03:51 PM
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When women who tell men they aren't interested get their heads stomped on, no, they don't owe random men honesty. You, and everyone else, can do basic Google instead. Particularly if it's a recurring pattern.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 03:48 PM
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Then why did it take you so long to figure out what a soft rejection is? Why don't you use this knowledge to do better for yourself, instead of trying to dictate how other humans should behave? Part of taking accountability is understanding your own sphere of control and your own sphere of influence, and sticking to that. And in that respect, you're way out off the reservation with this one, soldier.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 03:44 PM
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And you would rather make up excuses than own up to your inability to use Google. So, no, I don't feel sympathy for people who willingly stick their head in the sand and pretend to not be competent. Take accountability for the outcome of your life and start fixing it, instead of blaming strangers on the Internet for not holding your hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 03:36 PM
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Yes, they are. BUT, let's look at the causes: You have a bunch of non-Western cultures pushing outdated, fake, performative versions of masculinity on men, thanks to the globalism provided by the Internet. Being masculine is about deciding who you are, making your own decisions, and being confident about it. Little boys seek approval and consensus before acting. Grown men do not. Little boys whine about not getting their way. Grown men figure out what it takes to get what they want (legally) and…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 03:32 PM
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This has nothing to do with economics or community. This is about basic interactions between two people. This is learning how to read body language, and possessing the ability to fucking Google something if it still doesn't make sense. Go to Google and type (without quotes): "woman repeatedly answers that she wants to make plans later but doesn't know when she's free is she interested" and tell me what comes up?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 03:21 PM
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Exactly. Looksism is blackpill. Redpill used to be about helping inhibited guys with overbearing learn how to flirt and be fun and social - to "have game." Sure, there were toxic parts, but there was a lot of good advice in there too. Today redpill a bunch of insecure, hamfisted, weirdo, asocial nerds bitching about their looks, their height, their dick sizes, and engaging in starry-eye male fantasies about becoming Chad because it's more about the validation of other men than it is actually get…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 03:16 PM
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This is just "losers," not "men." A lot of men aren't like this in the West. A lot of these guys are foreign, or Western incels. Most of the good men who aren't like this, unless they're trying to help younger people figure out life, aren't going to posting on the internet all the time. They're bitching because in the West, their high control culture shit and slut shaming doesn't fly, and rather than fix all their insecurities and actually be decent to be around, they'd rather try and shame wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 03:14 PM
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This is a ridiculous point on its face. If they possess even basic Google, they'd know that this is classic noninterest. "If they wanted to, they would." There is no excuse for someone to go through 20, 25, 30, 40 years of life and not figure this out. This is expecting society to hold his hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 02:03 PM
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Status isn't relevant to how he makes her feel. There are plenty of men that don't engage in the typical "competition with other men" behavior in their teens and 20s who generate plenty of attraction in women. And there are plenty of men in their 20s who aren't the leader of their social circle, who aren't 6'3", who aren't junior executives, CEOs or managers, and who aren't inherited millionaires doing just fine with women because they're fun, reasonably attractive, put themselves in situations …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 01:43 PM
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Women do not care about these things. They care about a guy's trajectory inasmuch as it is complementary to her own lifestyle goals if she is considering him long term. Is he attractive to her? AKA will she enjoy sex with him, does she enjoy the thought of him kissing her or touching her? Are his mannerisms attractive? Is his voice attractive to her? Does he smell nice? Does she enjoy his personality outside of the bedroom? AKA can they go on dates and ultimately live together, can they enjoy ti…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 01:33 PM
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Because they're insecure losers who know they're settling for Temu girlfriends, and they'd rather chain migrate a bunch of a woman's weird family members and their weird third world cultures and attitudes rather than admit a very uncomfortable truth: that money doesn't pull anymore, that they don't have that much of it, and so they need to arbitrage the value of their first world country's currency to try and fix that, desperately convincing themselves and the wider Internet that it's some great…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 01:18 PM
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Nobody talks about "status" as much as the nerds trying to analyze the shit out of every basic human interaction. I've literally never heard a woman even cite "status" as reason for preferring a guy...not even secondhand. 99% of the time it's about how he makes her feel. Jesters/class clowns don't pull because they don't know when to get serious. Hard to build up (or hold onto) sexual tension that needs release when you're constantly using humor to relieve the tension instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 06:22 AM
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Strawmen aside, willingly being used for money because you cant get a desirable partner IS pathetic. Since we're apparently just making up strawmen at this point, next thing, you're gonna tell me is someone paying people to hang out as friends is a "good choice." smh
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 01:05 AM
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Same.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 11:20 PM
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He also needs to eat lots of carbs, or else his workouts will burn the protein to make his energy (rather than building muscle), and he won't see the same results as if he goes heavy on both.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 11:18 PM
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great, so that's an argument to look for single people in the 20s bracket then. glad we're in agreement. Men and women are roughly equally partnered in their 30s. Those older guys should stick to their cohort and stop trying to pretend to be Chads when all they can do is simp with money. It's honestly pathetic, and the good women in their 20s don't go for it. Great formula to get used by a gold digger who'll likely string him along while entertaining other men on the side though. "old handsome f…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 11:14 PM
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Are you also eating 2500-3000 calories a day of primarily protein and carbs?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 10:03 PM
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See the top comment. He has the body type of a 14 year old boy. OP needs to get in the gym and start eating a 2500-3000 calorie a day diet with protein and carbs in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 09:59 PM
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The friendzone is an awkward place that (usually) a man forces an unattracted woman to put him when he's polite enough that harshly rejecting him would be seen as unnecessarily cruel, but when she needs to exercise her agency and doesn't want to date him...and he either refuses to accept that (and duplicitously reframes himself as her "friend") or when he lacks the spine to make a move so she puts him there as a default. Men 100% have the ability to avoid it, by exercising agency. You're well wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 09:04 PM
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Everything in this line of discussion is straight facts. It's also why I stay purple pilled. There are elements of bluepill and OG redpill that are spot on. These nerds calling themselves "nu-redpill" today are just anxious, insecure weirdos who are simultaneously afraid to make a move and angry that those who do get better results than them. They also spend far more time analyzing men than women, which is just fucking weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 08:57 PM
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I don't know why this point goes over so many guys' heads here. You build a rapport. You become acquaintances. You DON'T become her bestie. You DON'T hang out with her one on one without it being a date. You just do the activity, get to know each other, gradually introduce banter/flirting while maintaining plausible deniability, and if she reciprocates, you ask her out. You don't invest months into friendship, hang out one on one, then try to switch up way later. ...And you certainly don't show …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 08:54 PM
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Some of us do sympathize with women on the issue of harrassment and sexual assault. Hell, some of us* celebrate the alternative uses of woodchippers, when sex abusers and/or pedofiles in prison get Epstein'd and nobody knows anything, or when victims or their loved ones avenge them. You'd think incels who are constantly complaining about "criminals" getting women would also do same rather than trying to justify it...after all, more sex offenders disappearing means less competition for the incel,…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 05:41 PM
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Same, other than the "making more than every person I've ever dated" part since I improved in job/career in my 20s and was never really swimming in it before that. People who aren't interested, who just want an ATM, will absolutely reach out and ask for stuff early on, but they're easy to separate from people you're actually seriously dating. This used to be the common trope of women asking guys to buy them drinks at the bar...they just weren't interested. Easy way to reply to something like tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 05:27 PM
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not interested in "plenty". interested in age group of "most". 20s has the "most" club goers here. if you want to increase chances of finding a club goer, matching with 20s is most consistent with that strategy. Well yeah cuz most 30+ are partnered/married already and not looking to meet new people to date. I'm striking all of this out. you are making it gendered again. you're not responding to OP - you're responding to me. my comment wasn't gendered. either respond with non gendered rebuttal or…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 03:52 PM
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Right, so then as long as you agree that boring people aren't good partners for people desiring a relationship, then we're all good.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 01:35 PM
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It's directly responding to this: If the claim is many men arnt super interesting then yes I agree. Therefore, if you "agree" then it follows why those men would be terrible partners for most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 01:32 PM
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No. <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 01:31 PM
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Because someone who isn't interesting is boring. Why would you sign up to date someone boring if you have interests and hobbies of your own? Why would a woman sign up to date someone, if part of the appeal of being in a relationship is being able to do things as a couple, and the guy doesn't want to do anything except stay in and play video games? Or if him "being nice" is just him holding his nose and going along with it, while never suggesting plans of his own? That makes him a sycophant tradi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 01:24 PM
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This. Also cultural expectations (and even subcultural expectations) are absolutely huge in dating. Most people say they want to date someone rich, but someone whose life is an endless array of performative and opulent social gatherings would likely be exhausting for someone to date who isn't into putting on airs. Same goes for major lifestyle incompatibilities like different religions if people are devout. The expectations of extended family can be toxic AF in those arenas, and a lot of people …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 01:17 PM
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The average 20 something is not overweight. It's probably 1 in 5 or so. Obesity is mostly a middle aged and older problem. Most people start packing on their pounds in their late 20s or early 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 01:11 PM
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