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Thanks. I don't think they need to know everything a boy would know, but a lot. I want her vulnerability to be a choice as much as possible. I can't trust that someone will stop and help her if she gets a flat tire. If she marries a good man, then by all means, he should do it, and many of the things I'll teach her will go unused. But if she's on the side of a dark road...it's time to roll up your sleeves, sweetheart, and remember what your father taught you.
/r/RedPillWives27/07/17 07:25 PM
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Ha! Gosh, re-reading that I can see how it sounds funny. I meant health, exercise, and nutrition, specifically. Edit: I'm clearly having trouble here. I simply meant those things that we have in common. There is an entire world of stuff in that vein that I would not be the ideal source of information for. As for the other stuff... When I found out I was having a daughter I was thrilled. But talking with my aunt, a retired former police officer, I told her that I felt like having a girl was going…
/r/RedPillWives27/07/17 06:36 PM
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A man knows about as much about teaching a girl to be a woman as a bird knows about teaching a fish to swim. That article, and this thread, are pointing at dad. No one mentioned mom. Who is responsible for the "beta", effeminate men walking around? Is that mom's fault, or is that laid at the father's feet too? My daughter will learn from me how to protect and take care of herself--how to keep and maintain a car, how to keep and maintain her body, how to fix and repair things around the house, ho…
/r/RedPillWives27/07/17 02:29 PM
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To be clear, I wasn't trying to dogpile on you. Real solutions can only be found when we're absolutely honest with ourselves about how we contribute to, if not create, the problems we're trying to solve in the first place. And it sounds like you're doing that. The housework is not near equal and for now, that's actually fine. I'd rather take all the responsibility for that than ask him to do something, him NOT do it, and then be angry about it. Ma'am, I don't have a polite way to put this, so I …
/r/RedPillWomen13/02/17 10:44 PM
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Are my frustrations justified or am I the problem? Your frustrations are absolutely justified. That said, you are at least partly responsible for the situation you've found yourself in. There is a lot of talk about properly vetting a Captain for this very reason. You guys had a goal but not a plan, you dove headfirst into it, and now it's catching up to you. But what's done is done, no sense crying about what's past. Best to focus on the here and now--and in the here and now you've got 3, not 2,…
/r/RedPillWomen11/02/17 03:04 PM
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Free to run for the hills, not entitled. And I didn't say anyone wasn't free to make their own decisions. In fact, I said the opposite. What I also said was that it doesn't make it amoral, and it certainly doesn't make it moral. It's wrong to abandon someone you made a vow to support for better or for worse. I also never said people "just get over rape." I'll even concede that rape can wreck a family. What I won't concede is that the best way to "save the family" is to abandon the woman that mad…
/r/RedPillWomen17/12/16 01:00 AM
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I haven't used a single anecdote to support my case. I could, of course, but I certainly don't need to. The argument stands on its own merit. Go ahead and do a little reading about every major religious marriage ceremony. All of them either have the couple reciting vows of commitment and devotion, or have them agree to such terms recited by another. Even most non-religious ceremonies, which are harder to find solid information about, probably have people reciting vows they've written that speak …
/r/RedPillWomen16/12/16 11:56 PM
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A man can make any choice he likes, of course. But no matter how much he would like to pretend the consequences of that choice don't exist, or don't matter, they most certainly do. No amount of jargon, or dogma, will change the fact that a broken vow is a broken vow, that abandonment is abandonment. Place "cuckoldry" above morality if you like, but trying to pretend like morality doesn't exist, or apply, is willfully ignorant.
/r/RedPillWomen16/12/16 01:33 PM
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A man saying he would leave his wife if she was raped, is saying that because a woman being raped is still a subset of a woman being fucked by another man, and it is natural/normal for men to abandon women who have been mated by other males. It is a shitty situation, but he has no moral duty to be a cuckold and it is wrong for you to suggest he does. Nonsense. Complete nonsense. Look, if TRP wants to argue that it is more utilitarian to abandon a woman that has been raped because dealing with th…
/r/RedPillWomen16/12/16 01:24 PM
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The nickname simply honors my mothers joking nature. That was my mistake. I'm sorry. I talk about situations in wich the man does something that could be detrimental to his own or the families well being. I agree. I think everyone should be open to words of caution when they're about to leap headfirst into unfamiliar water.
/r/RedPillWomen14/12/16 07:31 PM
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I'm not sure if you're a troll or not. Your account is 4 days old, and there was a thread in one of the RPW subreddits literally titled "Don't be Daisy Duck." Regardless, I'm going to offer a reply in good faith. Edit: Sorry, I was wrong. Constant, unnecessary, unsolicited "advice" is not actually advice at all--it's a subtle attempt to control, or manipulate, another person. If a man is folding laundry and his wife offers helpful "advice" about how he should be folding them has she substantiall…
/r/RedPillWomen14/12/16 06:21 PM
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That's your way. To be fair though, there's no reason a beard should be any dirtier than any other part of a man. I am averse to preening, but I'm usually clean and kept. That's as true for my beard as it is for the rest of me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/16 08:50 PM
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Most men's beard hair is already much coarser than the hair on their head. Shampooing dries hair out. Doing it too frequently will cause it to feel even more coarse and be prone to damage. That's why you don't shampoo it every day, and that's why you always condition after.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/16 06:37 PM
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Shower as needed (usually twice a day). Shampoo/condition beard as needed (usually once a week). Trim beard and stache as needed (usually every other week). Quick mirror check for things in nose/beard before leaving the house. Sunblock if I'm going to be outside for a long time, because cancer is a son of a bitch. That's it. Don't be gross. Don't be dirty or smelly except when you're doing dirty smelly work. Cut your hair and/or face hair in the manner that suits you. Have respect for yourself, …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/16 04:26 PM
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Well said.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/16 02:51 AM
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Bad: Video games get me all riled up. I need to be a better team player. womp womp. I sense a story.
/r/RedPillWives21/11/16 02:06 PM
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No. What a depressing thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/16 11:36 AM
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Everyone seems to be agreeing that men and women are different. What are those differences?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/16 05:08 PM
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Timmy/Spike, I guess. Tank. I love being the tank.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/16 03:28 PM
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"...fetters of masculinity." There it is. Being masculine is wrong. I've been trying to figure out what the perceived difference is between masculinity and toxic masculinity, according to people that use that term. I'm starting to think there is no difference to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/16 03:32 PM
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I'm from the city myself. I'd suggest you get some experience before diving in head first. Try to get some work on a farm--even better if you can room and board on a farm for a bit. You'll learn more and you'll get a real look at what it takes to care for animals and land. Some folks think it has a romance to it and I suppose, in a way, it does. But it also has a lot of dirt, and sweat, and crap. Literal crap, and spit, and you name it. If it's fluid in a critter it'll be on you eventually. At t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/16 03:12 AM
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It depends on what you're looking for. I'm on 5 acres, the majority of which is usable pasture. That's about as much as I could expect to find and afford in driving distance to my work, and my commute is still about an hour and half one way in typical traffic. It's just a trade-off we knew we'd have to make to have what we want. 5 acres is still a good bit of land. It's enough to grow a wide variety of vegetables, herbs, fruit, and still have most of the pasture open for a cow or two, chickens, …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/16 08:00 PM
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I don't think there is an objectively perfect wife. There is perfect for me but that's as close as it gets. Honest, loyal, and kind, above all else. For me, being a stay-at-home mother/farmwife is part of it. I work to support the family, she works at home to keep it running. Skills that support that--sewing, cooking, husbandry--are an important part of that role. As for behavior, there isn't really a template. I wouldn't like a wallflower, but a more submissive personality than mine is ideal. G…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/16 05:58 PM
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Ha! Upvote for honesty. I'll go in with you on that and admit my own hypocrisy: I find women that don't shave armpits/legs unattractive. Instant, gut-level reaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/16 02:52 PM
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That's a facile argument. No one forces them to do it--they'll just be held up as objects of ridicule and disgust if they don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/16 02:48 PM
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I'm not sure if you're trolling or not. Let's assume not. If that's how you feel then I feel sorry for you, and I hope that you have the opportunity to learn why. Suppose it is just about physical sensation and climax and need. Taking care of business alone will never be better than being with a lover of even moderate ability. But it is, or can be, much more. In a monogamous relationship it is one of the only things that a couple shares only with one another. It builds and reinforces intimacy, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/16 06:12 PM
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Are you suggesting that sex is only about the physical sensation and climax?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/16 05:55 PM
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If your only concern is maximizing the amount of sex you have with people that are above a certain number of attractiveness on some scale then I guess you're not wrong? I mean, I don't know. There seems to be some confusion about what TRP actually is and espouses. On the other hand, sex can and does continue in happy and healthy monogamous long-term relationships. There is such a thing as a happy and healthy monogamous long-term relationship. If you shift the objective from "get laid" to almost …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/16 05:28 PM
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I don't expect her to make any amount of money, and I don't expect her to do a certain amount of housework. We've had several different forms of mutually agreeable arrangements when it comes to finances and housework, and for the most part we never actually sat down and discussed them. We just fell into patterns that worked based on the circumstances at the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/16 11:31 PM
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I don't think we're talking about the same thing. I completely agree with what you're saying. What I'm saying is that even if you discuss all of the "basic shit" there is a very good chance that there are going to be issues related to raising a child that are both strongly divisive and impossible to anticipate.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 11:31 PM
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What, specifically, should be discussed in advance of having kids with someone? Because it's not possible to discuss all of the myriad possible sources of contention. You can't discuss what you can't foresee. And even if you could foresee all of the possible causes of disagreements you certainly couldn't predict how you might feel about those things. You could try, but I guarantee that how you feel before you have a child and how you feel after you have a child will not always match up.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 11:08 PM
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Thanks for the great reply. Especially: The hardest disagreements we've had have involved one of us severely hurting the other person's feelings. Those don't always stay amicable. We don't yell at each other, but the emotions are so high you can taste them. And they don't taste good. That sounds a lot like us, too. Most of the disagreements we have, and all of the bad ones, fall into that category as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 11:04 PM
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I didn't say young or lucky. I said you're either: Drastic outliers In a relationship that is too new to have been truly tested Whitewashing the reality of conflict in your relationship Unless you live in a colony of Vulcans I just find it very hard to believe that most of the relationships you've encountered have had such a logical and efficient approach to conflict resolution. I consider my marriage to be pretty exceptional, but we disagree and fight and argue. It doesn't happen often but it h…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/16 08:25 PM
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Good examples. It's not realistically possible to discuss all of these things in advance. Some you may not even be aware of until they occur, and even if you were aware of them your feelings might change significantly when the actual situation is upon you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/16 08:13 PM
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I agree that it would be easier. I do think the people in the "premise is faulty" group are in relationships that are drastic outliers, relationships that are too new to have been truly tested, or are whitewashing the reality of conflict in their relationship. I'm going to throw upvotes at everyone though, because I appreciate honest discussion. I'll just be over here absorbing the downvotes for having a different opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/16 04:23 PM
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I don't think people are necessarily saying that the decision to have or not have kids is the issue. Rather, I think people are saying that the parenting of kids can sometimes put a couple at opposite ends of an issue, and that opinions about the right way to parent a child can be pretty firmly entrenched.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/16 04:18 PM
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Likewise. The phrasing probably ruffled some feathers, even after the "fantasizing about Chad's big cock" line was removed. But it's not like some of the RP threads aren't just as skewed. If it's a good discussion, look past the baiting and contribute or read it. If it's not, ignore it and move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/16 12:31 PM
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The premise isn't flawed, it just doesn't apply to you. I don't think it is at all unreasonable to assume that many, if not most, couples will encounter an issue isn't resolved quite that easily.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/16 12:20 AM
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Well relocation sort of I sort of have. Don't leave us hanging, Professor. How did that go down? I agree with your classification of the more intractable issues. I think it is unique to each couple what, exactly, their issues are, but at least some of those would probably be on most lists.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 11:52 PM
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... RP men want to shit on women There's a sub for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 09:01 PM
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But I've seen comments in the manosphere that state women in leadership roles do not dampen, as you say, but that they all become power mad and cannot take their man's wellbeing into consideration. Kinda like a relationship long shit test. Do you think this is true, and if so, why? That'd be a good topic for another thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 08:57 PM
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I don't actually understand why they share a prefix. I'm not being snide, I genuinely don't understand the connection. I don't see what they have in common other than a bewildering glossary of terms.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 08:52 PM
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Oh, I don't know about that. I once got a fruit basket from a silverback at the zoo. Pressed it right up against the glass while looking sidewise at us. I think he got like... +300 dominance points. I know it's not strictly speaking a "dick pic" but in all fairness I think it's the closest he could come.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 08:47 PM
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I laughed enough for both all of us, friendo.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 08:44 PM
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...beat my sense of humour out of me... So you're saying they broke your funny bone? Fractured your humorous?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 08:37 PM
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It was funny, to be fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 08:34 PM
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In the context of most of these discussions I'd say: Dominance is how closely one is able to shape their environment to match their will. In a social context, it's having people defer to you or, even better, want to defer to you. Being domineering would be forcing people to defer to you. They might do it--maybe because they don't want to cause a scene, or because their job is on the line, or any number of reasons--but they do it grudgingly and it almost certainly creates resentment. There's some…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 08:31 PM
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"master of karate" If we're adding that we need to add: Champion of the Sun Master of Friendship (for Everyone) Fighter of the Night-Man
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 06:53 PM
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Great response. This is what I would have said if I had pretty words. I think the best possible relationship would be one that starts young but allows for each person to grow and change as an individual. Have you ever seen a tree that was actually two young trees that grew together to form one bigger, better Voltron style tree? That's how I always think of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 05:23 PM
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Sometimes "I don't know" is a great answer, because at least it is an honest place to start.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 05:12 PM
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Masculinity has to differentiate men from women. Masculinity is courage, fearlessness, aggressiveness, assertiveness, and muscularity. I agree that a definition needs to differentiate. But to play devil's advocate, those traits can be applied to women, too, can't they? So does the definition have to be disjoint, or is it enough to say that there is some overlap but that this trait X is primarily found in women, and this trait Y is primarily found in men?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 05:08 PM
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That's a pretty bleak, skewed view of the world, and it doesn't align very well with reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 04:40 PM
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I don't know if I agree with you, disagree with you, or if I'm allergic to the glossary. Thanks for elaborating, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 03:52 PM
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I misunderstood, thanks for clarifying.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 03:46 PM
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Huh. I'll admit I'm not really up on all the RP/BP jargon, but doesn't "holding frame" boil down to a kind of stoicism?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 03:34 PM
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Take it how you like it and run with that. It's not a loaded question. I specifically asked here, and not AskReddit, because the RP/BP camps seems to have strong opinions on gender and gender roles and I'm curious how those shake out.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 03:32 PM
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PS: Is Supernatural any good? As long as they stick to the monster-of-the-week format, yea. It was fun. Sometimes creepy, sometimes funny. I forget when that kind of trailed off, but if you watch it you'll know. It's safe to ripcord at that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 03:24 PM
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Stoicism ... 'beta' traits How's that?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 03:22 PM
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Gay people don't want marriage or kids?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 01:29 PM
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Well said. Acting like marriage is insignificant is willfully naive. You might think it doesn't matter, but the world you inhabit disagrees. If you don't believe this try visiting an injured or ill boy/girlfriend in the hospital. Try to make medical decisions on their behalf. Try to leave your estate to them. Try to leave your children to them. There are legal ways around most of those obstacles, but marriage is the most expeditious and, quite frankly, simplest route.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 01:28 PM
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I don't agree with most of that, but studies have shown a correlation between the number of fatherless homes and poverty (the precursor to crime), substance abuse, and mental/emotional illness.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 01:21 PM
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Not with that attitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 01:18 PM
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That is not to say the governmental institutions are bad, they do help as parents can free up their time to work, make money and have a more comfortable life. I disagree with the underlying premise here. Money is only worth as much as the quality of life it can provide. As a means of buying freedom, in other words. I'd argue that the overall quality of life has deteriorated as we have shifted from single to dual income homes. I'm not saying that having two incomes is the cause, but the cost of h…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 01:15 PM
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Obsolete? No. Hobbled? I'd argue that it already has been. The "traditional family unit" you described is actually incomplete: the traditional family unit is a tree with roots (grandparents and older relatives), trunk (parents), and branches (children). And the community is, or should be, a forest of those trees. What people don't realize is that these structures aren't just affectations--they serve clear and important functions. The need for childcare will not abruptly vanish just because the "…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 11:37 AM
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I agree. There is a kind of delayed adolescence now where most young people don't really enter adulthood until years after college, if that. To be fair, a rite of passage separates two distinct things. I'm not entirely convinced that we have a very clear definition of what it means to be a child or what it means to be an adult anymore. And if that distinction is blurry then it stands to reason the tradition celebrating the transition from one to the other will fall by the wayside.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 11:16 AM
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Virginity has no value, for either a man or a woman. Not in the typical sense. A woman isn't pure if she's chaste, and she's not sullied if she's promiscuous. Men don't face that stigma, of course, but they're not lessened by a lack of sexual experience or enhanced by a wealth of it. The "optimal conditions" are those that one is comfortable with--or to be clear, that will make you happy. Are you content losing it with some nameless stranger in a public bathroom? That's your choice. I don't thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 11:06 AM
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Easy enough. We've been together for nearly 17 years, married for 9. Our first child is on the way, and as the pregnancy progresses (and the old house sells) she'll be leaving her awful job to stay at home. I'll be supporting the family and the little farm. She has already cranked the domestic up quite a bit, tending the house and making it a sanctuary to come home to. Our intimate life is very healthy. Our relationship is based on trust, communication, and respect. We're not a fairy tale--we di…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 10:52 AM
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