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Actually the market is shrinking which in the long run creates a downward pull on effective rates. Good for the man sure but not for the sugar babies.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 08:17 PM
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It drives potential customers out of the market entirely and increases generic suspicion from remaining customers which inevitably falls on them individually. It's the same reason an ethical mechanic might resent unethical mechanics.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 06:54 PM
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Bravo sir. This is the first intelligent post I've seen on this subreddit in God only knows how long.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 11:05 PM
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I can only assume from this comment that you live in a hovel in the wilderness and only ever interact with humans online if you haven't seen people haplessly fufilling social scripts.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 01:57 PM
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Women are soldiers of last resort. There's the issue of comparative value and social opportunity cost before we even begin to talk about the studies which all show women are less effective in combat positions. Small countries draft women because they don't have enough warm bodies with just the men. This is a trend you see throughout history.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:22 AM
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I agree that the idea of male disposability can be a problem. Then we disagree. Male disposability is solution not a problem. It's a foundational cornerstone of society for a reason; a feature not a bug. We need men to make themselves voluntarily disposable. Our incentive structures fail to achieve this today.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:58 AM
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Obviously. When a nautical disaster happens it's straightforwardly the case that the people with the most seamanship are most likely to survive. In fact that reality is why first consideration is given to women and children. If women and children didn't tend to die during disasters nobody would be concerned about the safety of women and children during disasters. If you're attempting to disprove male disposability then this isn't compelling evidence because it only serves to justify the necessit…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:29 AM
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True infertility is possibly one of the only exceptions to the benefits afforded to women on account of childbearing capacity. Though even that being said you still benefit from an assumption which blankets the group of which you're a part. Generally women won't be seen to be as expendable as men until old age removes assumptions of fertility. While society may be wrong in its failure to sort women who don't bear children into the expendable pile it isn't wrong to treat wombs as indisposable and…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:53 PM
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You should be in theory but society doesn't generally view you that way. Put simply you might change your mind. The mere capacity to bear children affords you the benefit of the doubt here.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:32 PM
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I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:36 PM
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Every time you open your mouth you further prove my point. A Sopranos quote for you. (It describes you) "Some people are so far behind in the race that they think they're ahead."
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 07:57 PM
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No you're a woman who is confusing non-gendered traits with gendered traits. Almost everything you listed other than being in tune with your own emotions is not female gendered and some of them are actually male gendered like being organized or a great chef. Talking to you is making me realize you think of gendering through a simplistic good/bad lens where good traits are associated with the "good" gender (women) and bad traits with the "bad" gender (men). That is essentially what I already desc…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 07:50 PM
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Your chief claim is that men don't want that and women do. Everything you said proves my point that women also don't want that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 07:41 PM
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Exactly my point. You simply clailmed that unlike men, who obviously don't really want women to act like men, women do actually want that. Except they don't as revealed by your description of a husband who does normal man things as if being a cooperative partner is a "woman thing" in a species defined by cooperative reproduction or as if rocking the baby to sleep isn't man-like in the species which by far has the highest and most normative rate of paternal care giving. Like I said you're confuse…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 07:18 PM
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In this case you're just confused about what it means to act like the opposite sex which further reinforces my point that women do not actually want men to act like how women act.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 07:06 PM
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You say that but it isn't true. Femininity in a man is absolutely demonstrated to be a negative in dating and mating, and women do not want to be on the hook for the kind of expectations women have of their partners nor do they wish to subjected to female behaviors. Women wish men would be like the way the women idealize themselves. What you are describing isn't a real desire but a fantasy of a fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 05:05 PM
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You mustn't have read the article. The example is absolutely symmetrical. The article describes acts which make a man feel desired not a woman's internal emotional world of desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 05:00 PM
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Dual maying strategy isn't even evo psych its just evolutionary biology. It's not something contested by the relevant scientific community.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 01:53 PM
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Good genes versus resources provisioning is the female dual mating strategy which red pill commonly refers to as af/bb. Male dual mating strategy does not bifurcate this way because resource provisioning is not a trait selected for either short or longterm relationships by men. Men bifurcate with regard to sexual receptivity. Women who are easily available for sex are sorted into the short term camp and women who are not easily available for sex are sorted into the longterm camp. It's a differen…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 01:33 PM
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I never said that. I said that af/bb is not a male dual mating strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 01:16 PM
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Female dual mating strategy bifurcates good genes and resource provisioning. Male dual mating strategy bifurcates based on sexual promiscuity versus sexual chastity.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 01:03 PM
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You're confusing af/bb, a specific dual mating strategy, with dual mating strategy in general. Men have a dual mating strategy but it doesn't bifurcate the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 12:55 PM
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People enjoy things they are good at and disinvest from things which yield no reward. This can be generalized across the mammalian world to any game of which you can think. Whether someone enjoys the chase or not is mediated by how frequently they win. There's a certain threshold of success at which the chase becomes enjoyable and then a level above that where you want the woman to make it harder because it's normally too easy for you. On the other side there's the men for whom the success rate …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 05:52 PM
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It's also not even the most relevant point of discussion for the OP's title. Women don't recieve implicitly derived privileges from society because they're "nice." Women are "nice" in order to derive implicit privileges from society. The reason society offers the privileges is because women perform a number of useful functions some of which are unique to women as a sex. To the extent that the collective female privilege is based on the obligation to perform those functions, the absence of the ob…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 07:01 PM
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Yeah I thought the same. It would certainly have been a more compelling argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 06:54 PM
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There's a good reason why competency isn't measured by educational attainment.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 06:51 PM
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I hate to be the one to say it but considering the birth rate, failure of family formation, and general end of female gender roles, the title of you're post most thoroughly applies to modern women themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 06:49 PM
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Hello there from an almost thirty Gen Z.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 08:06 PM
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Same deal different story for me. The red pill epiphany is when enough observations coalesce into a framework. The observations trave back to childhood.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 08:52 PM
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You couldn't be more incorrect about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 08:43 PM
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Children experience gender dynamics as well, let's be real here. Most boys have discovered something unfair by the time they're eight all without exposure to the online content. You aren't really making a point so much as denying a widely agreed upon experience, stumbled on independently by a plethora of men across time and space. Perhaps you should take aome time and self reflect on your own preconceived notions
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 07:01 PM
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Men don't start out red pilled. It's hard to pursue a confirmation bias when the take away from your personal experiences changes your preconceived notions about women. You're twisting yourself into knots to try and avoid the truth that for men the red pill is an epiphany. It's names that way for a reason and that reason isn't becuase they believed it all along.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 06:53 PM
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It's the women men personally meet, interact with, observe etc who red pill men, not the curated selection of women on the internet. Men know the curated narrative is, well, curated. It so happens to also be a hyper-real reflection of phenomena they've seen or experienced.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 06:45 PM
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If you observed both kinds you'd see a noted difference. In particular the shit testing version happens to someone she already knows and is in at a minimum a situationship with. When shit testing she isn't giving her drink to a trusted friend to watch, she's just making him hold something in a context where it could be set down and watched by any of several other trusted people even including himself. It'll be the kind of thing you see where a husband has to hold the toddler, her purse and the g…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 05:44 PM
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I'd consider warning young people off of something extraordinarily detrimental to their wellbeing for which they have no lived experience to necessitate their involvement in to be an act of kindness.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 03:16 AM
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What? Did you typo meanie? Do you think it's unkind to tell teenagers not to imbibe raw toxicity before they even enter the real world?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 03:09 AM
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On the first point you're just wrong. Most of the DV statistics show that the gendering is relatively similar. The OP described a woman he'd been on a handful of dates with as requesting heavy manual labor from him. I guess you'd have to be a man to understand this but it's not uncommon for women you barely know to use the prospect of romance to try and extract favors, money, experiences etc from you. This woman wasn't his friend or his girlfriend just a potential romantic prospect. It's sensibl…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 05:51 PM
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Yes, it's a textbook example of the ability to reach for a common social narrative which obligates men but not women. The axiomatic assumption in play when they nitpick your example is precisely that it's unreasonable for you to have that boundary and reasonable for a woman to ask that of someone they barely know. Simultaneously they still proclaim to be supporters of boundaries, just not yours thus establishing that boundaries are seen as predominately for women to wield not men. That being sai…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 04:47 PM
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You are literally falling victim to your own taboo. You seem to believe that judging someone for throwing a temper tantrum when met with a boundary is itself judgemnet worthy. If as you put it there is no basis is for judging other's reactions then ipso facto you have no room to judge. This makes you a hypocrite At a deeper level those who proclaim judgement to be wicked and unjustified are normally the kind of people who engage in judgement worthy behaviors, and they simply wish to control how …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 03:00 PM
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"why men don't respect women's boundaries and are scary"? This is a major talking point in our cultural dialogue that gets repeated ad nauseum with a very clear consensus on the issue. OP's point is precisely that no such parallel discussion or conclusion exists. He's pointing at a hypocrisy embedded in a dominant social narrative which women have the ability to reach for at their own convenience.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 02:46 PM
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This notion that people can't judge others for their behaviors and reactions is hogswallop of the highest variety. Anybody proclaiming this is de facto a hypocrite.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 02:41 PM
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Girl, you're sixteen. Get the fuck off the internet gender wars forums and stop poisoning your mind. In twenty years you'll have real experiences to bitch about. Until then you have no business in a space like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 06:23 PM
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If you're feeling excluded then never fear, you would most certainly be among the panoply of morons here
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 02:05 PM
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You are projecting your inability to effectively turn observations on seen data into accurate unseen data predictions onto men smarter than you I don't know what it is about this sub but I consistently notice that it attracts unusually stupid people even by the standards of Reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 01:23 PM
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to babies or old men? What's the difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 06:27 PM
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Someone pointed out the same about how close we are to bananas. Imagine your hypothetical but raising a banana instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 11:27 PM
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They could raise the banana. Under OP's framework it's basically the same as having a child anyway! Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 11:25 PM
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The funny thing about the technical terms is they don't seem to understand the genetics either.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 11:23 PM
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It's not a matter of should but rather can. You said nobody is handing out careers to unlucky women, you didn't add the qualifier that the career must also be a desirable first choice option. Getting married and having life paved for you by someone else is an option only available to a woman whether you find that option to be immensely desirable or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 05:51 PM
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there really isn't a fabled institution that just hands out free careers to unlucky women... It's called marriage. A woman always has the option to set up shop in someone else's life and the state will ensure she is legally entitled to the fruit of her partner's labor.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 04:49 PM
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You have cuase and effect reversed.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 06:35 PM
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Well whether your description is accurate is up for debate, but the issue is that if you want to draw comparisons between masculinity and politics you need to get your technical descriptions correct. If you're using colloquial misconceptions as a baseline for this discussion then your entire point is confused from the ground up. There isn't anything to discuss in your prompt because your theoretical first principles are ontologically confused. If you don't appear to understand the terms you're u…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 09:20 PM
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In fact, the biggest predictor iirc is low openness to experience. If your going off big five its more that high conscientiousness is the biggest predictor of conservatism. Lower openness is associated but more in the sense that openness is the best predictor of left valence politics in WEIRD countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 07:50 PM
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Your conception of what conservatism and liberalism are is poisoned by colloquial useages of these terms in American politics and divorced from their actual meaning. For example you associate liberalism with collectivism and conservatism with individuality when in reality liberalism as a political theory is expressly individualizing and anti-collectivist. American conservatives are liberals. Collectivist views further to the left are illiberal. The mainstream postions across the American politic…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 07:48 PM
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One of my all time pet peeves is any argument which puts the cart before the horse. God there are so many of those floating arpund our society.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 03:34 PM
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The commenter who already responded to you hit the nail on the head. The host asked a loaded question, and then when she didn't hear the answer she wanted she explicitly made the topic about men and women and forced him to explain. There is no way to honestly talk about a woman being the greatest tennis player of all time without inevitably having to reference the men's game to point out that she isn't. There's a reason why sports are sex segregated. This is very much a case of somebody rage bai…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 07:49 PM
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There is really nothing to debate here. In McEnroe's case he was asked if Serena was the greatest tennis player of all time and he responded that she was certainly the greatest woman tennis player of all time. The host then decided to interrogate him as to why he had to bring up the qualifier and couldn't he just admit she was the best regardless of sex. The entire discussion only became about comparing men and women because the stupid woman host intentionally was trying to get McEnroe to say th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 06:02 PM
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You probably don't even know what ontology is. You're out of your depth.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 07:37 PM
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Not in so many words but you did choose to suggest that if I believe this hyperbole to be irrational I must believe other hyperbole to be irrational instead of actually addressing my argument which distinguishes between applicable rational.hyperbole and inapplicable irrational hyperbole. If you don't see the subtext then you don't even understand your own argument nevermind being prepared to actually debate it. You've made a number of ontological errors throughout the course of this debate. Ther…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 07:19 PM
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I didn't claim it was irrational because it was hyperbole; in fact that part is entirely irrelevant to its rationality or lack thereof. You seem to have a unique talent for debating strawmen, and willfully refusing to respond to the actual argument I made. I said two things. Your claim that men misunderstood a poorly constructed rhetorical device is incorrect, and that it was criticized as irrational for the following reason. A random bear alone in the woods with a woman is far more predictable …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 07:05 PM
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What are you talking about? Offensive includes sexist I’ve agreed countless times that it’s offensive, sexist, misandrist, mean, bigoted, and whatever else. Again, not relevant to my argument or the point of your OP. if you think it is, you also likely think “I’d rather die than fuck you” is “stupid, “irrational,” or “hysterical” I've already stated otherwise and explained the distinction. At this point I have to assume you're either too illiterate or too intellectually deficient to address what…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 06:46 PM
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It seems to be you with the comprehension problem. You've suggested that men didn't understand the argument. You've since been hit with what can broaldy be grouped into two responses. "We understand it, but it's sexist," and "We understand it but its stupid." You haven't really demonstrated that considering it to be sexist or stupid is a sign of misunderstanding. You've haven't really engaged any of the arguments at all to be completely honest. I mean, this is par for the course for this sub bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 06:37 PM
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You've continually brought that point up even though I never made it. Either you think I did it or you don't understand that bringing up irrelevant topics doesn't make for good debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 06:06 PM
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My main point is that it was sardonic frustrated venting. I've explicitly indicated that I understood that at every stage of this conversation. You just enjoy tilting windmills and have trouble conceiving that your point could be criticized in the absence of misunderstanding. You've spent this discussion trying to shove square pegs into round holes. I conceded that those men should’ve just said it was offensive. I've never said it was offensive. I said it was stupid. You've been arguing this str…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 05:28 PM
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Considering I've accurately represented the spirit of the quip accurayelt by reference to your own words on the matter it's supposedly elusive nature is a figment of your imagination. I do find it amusing however that in lieu of seriously addressing my argument you've instead resorted to lazy ad hominem while calling my commentary a tantrum. That this irony is lost on you is itself rather ironic.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 04:58 PM
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You've explained nothing. Your argument has largely consisted of throwing around terms for literary devices some of them misused.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 04:41 PM
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And thus, calling it “irrational” is as silly as calling “I’d rather die than fuck you” irrational. I already addressed the difference. See the section on scalability and core sentiment.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 04:30 PM
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I didn't claim it was irrational because it was hyperbole; in fact that part is entirely irrelevant to its rationality or lack thereof. You seem to have a unique talent for debating strawmen, and willfully refusing to respond to the actual argument I made. I said two things. Your claim that men misunderstood a poorly constructed rhetorical device is incorrect, and that it was criticized as irrational for the following reason. A random bear alone in the woods with a woman is far more predictable …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 03:50 PM
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Girl, you don't have a point. You have a haphazard jenga tower which I pulled the foundation out of and watched collapse.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 08:23 PM
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"Evidence to the contrary does not prpve the contrary." Nice argument, "Miss Analysis."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 08:21 PM
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That is not a turn of phrase lmao. We'll add that to the list of misused terms by "Miss Analysis" over here. 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 08:19 PM
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https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9679567/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4062022/
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 08:05 PM
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The man vs bear argument isn't a euphemism. A word to the wise, you don't enhance your credibility by misusing words, something you've now done multiple times.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 08:03 PM
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You really don't have any counterarguments do you lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 07:51 PM
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The data does not show "this" especially since "this" is your previous comment alleging "this." I mean geeze, talk about being unserious.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 07:51 PM
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Whether it's irrational has nothing to do with whether women were being autistically literal or mindfully vindictive. Obviously it was the latter. Believe it or not mindful vindictiveness in order to make a statement still reveals a prioritization, and in this case it reveals a prioritization of feelings of safety. This is the very nature of irrationality.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 07:45 PM
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The broad data does not imply a substantial but rather a modest imbalance in cross-sex violence, but you wouldn't know that because you're too busy doing whatever nonsense you've laughably described as analysis. Men are more violent on average as a consequence od the tail of the curve does not imply that the data can then be generalized to the statement that men are more violent toward women then the reverse. If you'd done any real analysis or frankly had the capacity to do that then you'd have …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 07:38 PM
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It's all of those things. It's also irrational. Nobody misunderstood it. Some men pointed out that it was also irrational and hysterical. If you want to fight strawman, tilt windmills or generally engage in fallacies of composition then go engage in that mastrabatory behavior by yourself. Your core point was that men misunderstood. I responded otherwise. You have confused criticizing irrationality with misunderstanding shoddily deployed rhetorical and literary devices. The former does not imply …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 07:34 PM
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The gender differential in crime committed does not imply anything about cross-sex violence for the purpose of a differential analysis on safety without examing the gender differential in victimization or narrowing down the focus to crimes which frequently cross sex lines. You're proving my point that whatever you're doing isn't analysis.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 07:27 PM
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Trolling, the epitome of high brow thinking, both frequently misunderstood and notable for its intrinsic rationality. If this is the best argument you can come up with it might be time for you to tap out.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 07:25 PM
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You aren't describing a serious methodology of cross-sex crime especially considering most of the victims of male crime are other men. Furthernore extrapolating local data population wide. What you've described is deeply unrigourous. If you described this "methodology" to anyone who does real analysis professionally you'd be laughed out of the room. That being said I'm not surprised you can do this kind of "analysis" in your sleep. I can piss in my bed in my sleep if I want, but you don't see me…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 07:21 PM
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Hyperbole is exaggeration. Allegory is comparison. Neither of those encompass the definition of satire. That aside even if it was satire it's besides the point. If you want to now call it satire let me explain why it doesn't work becuase it is irrational. The core message of the "satire" is that predictable likely violence is preffered over unpredictable unlikely violence to demonstrate the desire for emotional certainty. If it was to work as satire then it's a satire of how women prioritize the…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 07:13 PM
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New reports are not based on crime data. They're based on individual crimes. Data isn't a news story, a specifc incident is. Either way you watching the news isn't analysis. You aren't engaged in analysis because you have no methodology. Your are engaged in heuristics. I ultimately reiterate my point that you either don't really know what differential analysis is or that you have a defintion so loose as to be meaningless.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 07:10 PM
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No, because it's sarcasm. Your contention was not that the bear thing was sarcastic but that it was an analogy to gender based violence differentials and a commentary on predictabilty. It's the commentary on preferred predictabilty which makes it irrational and the lack of understanding of cross-sex violence which makes it nonsensical.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 07:05 PM
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Your haphazard heuristic methodology. Looking at news articles does not amount to analysis anymore than watching fish means I'm engaged in icthyology or digging in my butt for a hemorrhoid means I'm performing internal surgery.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 07:03 PM
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It's not relevant to her main claim one way or another. Her core claim is that men critique the concept because they don't understand it. The relevant counterpoint is that men clearly understand it; that just doesn't make it a rational expression of the core sentiment.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 06:58 PM
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It's irrationality because of the part in italics in your own post emphasizing that it is a commentary on predictability. This is true, it is a commentary on predictability; one which states that predictable likely violence is preferable to unpredictable unlikely violence. It states that emotional certainty is prized over actual safety. That's inherently irrational. That this sentiment is expressed via a poorly constructed hyperbole is irrelevant to the fact that this is by your own argument the…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 06:55 PM
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I never said it was bigotry, misandry or offensive generalizing. It said it was hysterical, emotionally driven and most importantly irrational and inapplicable.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 06:35 PM
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It's definitely allegorical just not to gender differences in cross-sex violence. It does not confrom to the (a) is to (b) as (b) is to (c) framework your trying to shove it into. It's a straight forward allegory between men and predators, and a statement on emotional uncertainty. It's not that deep, and nobody has misunderstood it. It would only be rational hyperbole if it was rendered as a simile. It's the part where it suggests that men are more dangerous than bears which is irrational becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 06:06 PM
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The line between demonstrative hyperbole and excessively emotional hysteria is the applicability of the chosen hyperbole. Media illiteracy isn't a relevant concept here. Applicability is. Your hyperbole must itself be applicable to the thing it's hyperbolizing. As I've layed out in my other responses to you, the hyperbole doesn't really apply here, so I reiterate, come up with better hyperbole. Maybe read some high end rhetoric, literature or propaganda because what is relevant here is literal l…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 06:01 PM
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That's like calling the moment when you look at your turd before flushing it down the toilet a fecal test. It's extraordinarily loose.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 05:54 PM
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A few things. First of all the differential in cross gender violence is actually not that substantial until we select for the absolute tail of the spectrum. In general the average difference is small and similar numbers of each gender report abuse from the opposite sex. So your hyperbole is in fact a hyperbole of a hyperbole. Secondly, if the point of the hyperbole is to demonstrate that bears are as much more unsafe to men as men are to women then the part where you pick the bear over the man m…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 05:52 PM
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If you wanted to say that men are more violent than women on average or more precisely that extremely violent men are more common then extremely violent women then it would make sense to say you're safer around women in the forest than men. Bears are a total non-sequitur. The line between demonstrative hyperbole and excessively emotional hysteria is the applicability of the chosen hyperbole. At no level does the hyperbole here make sense. You're either talking about something not relevant to wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 05:39 PM
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No the third one isn't an insult. It's just empty performative stupidity in the form of a statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 05:34 PM
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You either have an awfully loose defintion of differential analysis or you're just really bad at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 05:33 PM
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The reason men aren't misunderstanding this issue, but merely pointing out it's irrationality is because it involves choosing a likely predictable death over an unlikely unpredictable death or rape. You're essentially saying you'd rather be sure of being eaten alive than unsure if you might be raped or murdered. It's akin to saying you'd rather play Russian roulette with all the chambers full than with only one chamber full because you'd rather the certainty over the uncertainty. We know you mea…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 05:31 PM
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The original comparison was between the violence level of men and bears not men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 05:26 PM
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It's called a metophorical truth. Let me give an example. There is a myth that porcupines can throw their quills. People who believe this are less likely to get quilled by a porcupine because they aren't lulled into an adequate sense of safety to get close to the porcupine. Basically it's rooted in our inability to precisely make risk assessments. The result is that we use heuristic truths to guide our actions and these heuristics sometimes code for more adaptive outcomes when they aren't litera…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 01:00 AM
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It sounds like I got the exact same talk you did. I was told what kind of guy I was supposed to be and what a girl should be able to expect from me in a relationship etc. That many people get no talk aside, it is most likely the case that boys who recieved a talk were given the exact same information as you. It's just that the idea of relationship expectations has always revolved around what women need for which men are responsible so girls hear what's expected of guys and guys hear what's expec…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 08:39 PM
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Okay I'm just going to chime in here about your basic misunderstanding of the natural world. There is no field of natural science in which hierarchy is not the rule. Every facet of biology, chemistry and physics is hierarchical. Take whatever issue you want with red pill ideology, but hierarchy is a natural phenomenon. There is no aspect of nature devoid of hierarchy including biology. Your objection is like complaining that newtonian physics is an excuse to frame gravity as physics.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 04:12 PM
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If markets reflected actual value then water would be worth more than diamonds. You are confusing absolute value with relative and immediate demand. If you don't really understand how markets work then you shouldn't reference them as your lack of understanding undermines your argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 06:13 PM
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Help them? Forget that. I'm talking about being able to read tone and have a civil conversation. That's basic EQ. Now I am aware there could be another motivation which would explain your words. You're a troll. Either way it doesn't come across as very emotionally intelligent or even ordinarily intelligent.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 11:56 PM
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Responding in a hostile fashion with deeply personal insults to an argument about the validity of a psychological theory is not exactly showing the breadth or depth of your alleged emotional intelligence seeing how you've failed to pick up on the tone of the comment. It comes across like you'd struggle to read a room, and that you lack the ability to empathize well enough with someone you might disagree with to have a civil conversation. Considering you have made a number of comments like this t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 11:47 PM
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It's a poorly established theory in a field littered with pseudo scientific nonsense and riddled with replication errors. Psychology is great don't get me wrong, but it's also one of the top fields for charlatans and people who just aren't very good at what they do. Whatever we are calling emotional intelligence probably exists, but psychology cannot and has not adequately defined or measured it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 07:01 PM
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This comment is ironically peak low EQ.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 06:58 PM
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I just think you're stupid and disingenuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 05:05 PM
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Not really. I couldn't care less about this topic, but the rampant stupidity and dishonesty in this sub always astounds me.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 04:40 PM
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Oh I don't. I just recognize bad faith engagement when I see it. Perhaps you noticed the snark in my first comment. Alternatively you might be the type who needs the /s.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 04:28 PM
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Nice strawman. I hope it keeps you entertained.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 04:23 PM
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You must not be familiar with porn if you think it spends time on the subtleties of social interactions.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 04:03 PM
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Sure, with the welfare state it's not as vital as it once was, This is a trick. All the welfare state does is separate men from their money at the point of a gun and transfer it to someone else. It creates a diminishing incentive for achievement that leads to the procurement of investment capital. Essentially the government intermediary obscures the origin of the capital in a way that removes the reason to produce that capital. Welfare programs are dependent on demographic factors and effort on …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 06:20 PM
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Be fair. Most people are more sympathetic to cute animals than other human beings regardless of gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 02:08 PM
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It's symptomatic of a larger problem. Also population decline is inherently unstable. Below replacement level reproduction doesn't automatically become replacement level at a some population number.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 05:42 PM
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Coupling is a central part of a sustainable society as is male social investment. These are integral parts of the human social phenomenon as dictated by biology. Sex is inherently a part of that. You should be concerned about the negative consequences for society at the second, third, fourth order and so on. That being said thinking beyond the immediate is not a strength of humans living in modern liberal paradigms.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 05:29 PM
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Modern women are raised in a cultural environment that tells them how life as a man is like existing with with more privileges and benefits. Naturally if men just have everything better than you then you wouldn't consider any of these factors. It's a paradigm designed to prevent consideration for the opposite sex rather than for the self.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 05:05 PM
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For a relationship. You are confusing a want with a need. If I wanted to ride a motorcycle I could easily find a cheap serviceable motorcycle. I just don't want one. If I seek to purchase a house I can find an affordable one, but I won't purchase it unless it's in a desirable location. In each analogy the serviceable man is the motorcycle I don't want and the liveable house below my expectations respectively. These are wants not needs. Just because a woman cannot find what she ideally wants in a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 04:37 PM
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No shit, and I'm describing how reality is while you go off about how people feel about it. "Whaa whaa men don't feel chosen. Whaa whaa women don't like to settle for boring water." Reality doesn't give a fuck. The water is clean albeit undesirable. If men don't like being undesirable then they can suck it up. If women don't want clean albeit undesirable water then they can suck it up. Either way women aren't in a swamp. Jesus you are dense. Like not only do I have to make my point, but I have t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 04:26 PM
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The issue being discussed is the validity of the "men in deserts, women in swamps" analogy. What is not being discussed is whether men feel desired even if they are recognized as better than brackish water, and whether women are willing to settle for something less than immaculate. It's not relevant to the legitimacy or lack thereof as it pertains to the aforementioned analogy. Remember the topic is the validity of the analogy not whether anyone is more or less content with reality whether the a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 04:17 PM
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That's irrelevant to my point. Women aren't in a swamp full of brackish water. The water is mostly clean enough to be serviceable albeit not inherently desirable beyond it's utility.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 04:00 PM
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It's full of clean water. Not lovely immaculate water, but clean enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 03:50 PM
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Yeah it's possible my point of view is very male brained. At any rate, as someone who's actually quite far along the curve I've long understood intellectual exceptionalism to be an unrealistic standard. However, now that I think about it women have often told me I should look for an intellectual equal which, as stupidly limiting as that advice sounds to me is probabaly a reflection of what they would do in my shoes.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 05:48 PM
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If their intellectual level was high then they would discard that standard anyway because it artificially makes their dating pool virtually nonexistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 04:57 PM
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Yeah, I know some guys all the ladies want and they don't have strongly favorable views of most of those women. I've literally been told that if dating is hard then it's not worth it, and if it's easy it still isn't worth it unless you're just horny. The women who think so well of themselves are in many cases not offering commensurate value.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 08:12 PM
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There's a false sense of safety there. Low male social investment is the bigger issue for a society than young male violence. It just doesn't look as bombastic so our monkey brains are more inclined to gloss over it. All societies have developed outlets and controls for the violence. Societies still come apart at the seems when male disenfranchisment hits a critical mass. At some point we'll get poorer and possibly be outcompeted by a rival outgroup. At that point norms will begins to reset, vio…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 01:55 AM
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Something about these gifting women money conversations reminds me of children. It's like an allowance or something. It seems many women love to be treated like children rather than adults.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 01:27 PM
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Prostitution
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 01:21 PM
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If you think the reason some guys are successful with women and others aren't is the difference between giving monetary handouts upfront in a relationship then you must not have much life experience pertaining to relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 01:19 PM
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My actual answer would be pointless in light of your less than genuine question.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 08:54 PM
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The question isn't genuine because it starts from the assumption that Sharpe actually did do anything wrong. Grade A ragebait.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 07:18 PM
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Then we'll have to disagree. I'm.less concerned with ratings than functional output and efficiency. The Gates Foundation is certainly flashy though.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 03:32 AM
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The Gates foundation offers many fewer tangible services while spending as much money as is documented by the Catholic church. Available figures on the church don't even include local charity work done by local parishes. More work by the Gates Foundation backfires like some of their water irrigation work in Africa for which they are facing legal backlash.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 03:04 AM
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Not even remotely. The Catholic church is the largest non governmental provider of social service in the world when accounting for volume of services as a ratio to spending. Only a few organizations spend comparably, and none offer as many tangible services for their expenditure.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 02:29 AM
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Not at scale with secular NGOs. Like I said the Catholic church is the gold standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 02:02 AM
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Charity needs across the globe depend on large organizations. Not all of those organizations are bad. The Catholic church for example is the gold standard for global non governmental social services running about a quarter of the world's hospitals as just a small part of their outreach. Unfortunately small secular nonprofits provide limited benefit and large ones are borderline scams. Only religious charity effectively scales up as their morals aren't based on ephemeral social mores and the asso…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 01:36 AM
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Sure. At mediocre performance and enormous compensation, particularly for those who run the nonprofits. The percentage of money that actually goes toward services rather than compensation is outrageously low Pretending that a nonprofit career is a huge benefit to society is a peak example of using a career to virtue signal. Nonprofit status is a convenient way to make a good deal of money as an organization without serious tax burdens. The idea that you're doing serious social good goes a long w…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 12:22 AM
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Nonprofits aren't exactly doing a good job of it. Most nonprofit money goes in the pockets of the nonprofit employees. The only thing nonprofit means is that the enterprise spends all its money.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 12:13 AM
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There is no such media consensus. All available evidence from scientific studies to personal anecdotal experience point in the opposite direction. You may confuse a loud minority of hard social constructionists with a consensus, but in that case you're out of touch with what science and/or real people actually believe. The vast majority of people do not buy the idea that women are as libidinous as men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 04:16 PM
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I stopped reading at the prompt. If you think it isn't largely acknowledged that men are more sexually motivated with a higher tolerance for promiscuity than women then you've been living under a rock.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 03:35 PM
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To be frank I'm not sure if you're raising a different point unrelated to what I've said, if you didn't understand that what I said was about how men view women not the other way around or both. I'm not sure that today's women actively mistreat low mate value men. They do passively mistreat them though. Neglect and abuse are the same as it pertains to psychological impact. At any rate I'm not sure what that really has to do with the study.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 03:52 PM
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I meant that each groups view is built on their respective views toward women not women's treatment of them. Incels feel animosity which the study sought to measure (albeit poorly with small sample size). Successful men may view easily accessible women with disrespect and contempt which the study did not seek to measure.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 03:16 PM
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It doesn't even make sense for half the survey sample to be women if you're trying to measure men's attitudes. It's even more of a mess when you utilize women's self report on men's attitudes. Self report is only useful for measuring subjective views of the self in the individuals who make up the group being measured. Even then it has limitations in applicability to behavior. I'd just point out to any woman attempting to extrapolate a conclusion that successful guys are better toward women or le…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 03:07 PM
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To build on your point, the ego fortress incel's view is predicated on animosity which the study sought to measure whereas the extremely successful man's view is built on disrespect, contempt, and devaluation which the study did not seek to measure. The study also explicitly clarifies that the absence of animosity and presence of bias toward women in successful men is not a measurement of sexism or maltreatment.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 03:01 PM
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Unfortunately your joke is commonly believed unironically.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 07:37 PM
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It's not free money. Modern people don't understand that dowry traditions were female inheritance. You aren't being paid to marry her. She's being given resources to make sure her new family life goes smoothly.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 06:37 PM
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I didn't suggest I wanted anyone to be diminished to just their bodies or even that anyone is. I pointed out that statements such as "that's not the only thing that matters," don't mean the reasonable standard on the one thing is lower than most men percieve it so much as that there are just a bunch more high standards about other things too. Women always break out this argument, but it's only demonstrating that women are pickier across a wider variety of traits compared to men. That isn't a gif…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 02:07 PM
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Subjectively it is. Women often view literal average as below average. As an example I'm average height, but women are quick to tell me that I'm short. The lense women apply to the "average to above average" evaluation is a window into their value judgements and subjective standards, not a rational or objective measurement. To take that to penis size, above average is often considered average, big is often considered above average, and average is often considered below average. Anything more or …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 02:01 PM
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Saying trait X isn't the only thing that matters isn't the slam dunk argument you think it is. Yes all of these traits are not the only traits that matter but if a man fails to measure up to just one then it's adequate to disqualify him. You're trying to soften the blow by confusing being shallow and picky about a multitude of factors with having a deep holistic view of men. Every hurdle is a potential disqualifying factor. Having to deal with many hurdles rather than few is not an improvement. …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 01:56 PM
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If ugly men are successful in the sexual marketplace then that means the value of a man is higher than the woman thought ergo her standards may have to change. If ugly men succeed en masse then thay indicates a male leverage market which reduces a woman's shot at dating up. Basically when ugly men succeed average women are threatened with the prospect of possibly ending up with an ugly man.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 01:37 PM
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While this has long been my approach, it isn't mutually exclusive with observing and pointing out hypocrisy. Noticing something and speaking about it does not indicate that someone cares about the judgement being leveled. For example if I brought something like this up and somebody accused me of caring about those judgements I wouldn't care if they though that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 01:28 PM
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At the end of the day the relevant skills are still basic social skills. If you cannot flirt then you have a social deficiency that shows up elsewhere. It may not be as detrimental elsewhere, but it's going to be present. In regards to your personal story I'm just going to roll with a metaphor. Sometimes the butterfly tells the caterpillar that if you just sprouted wings and flew away everything would be better, and if the butterfly was young again with the knowledge they have now they would kno…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 08:42 PM
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Flirting is just banter. You absolutely banter with friends. You live with other people be it roommates or family memebers. Note how much the family background is predictive of future living situations. Dates are just outings where you interact with someone. Every skill you use there exists elsewhere. Sex is the only thing that constitutes something akin to a specific technical skill, but the issue at hand isn't sex but relationships as a whole. Your experience is making you conflate two differe…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 07:54 PM
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The school analogy simply doesn't work because nome of these skills require specialized technical information. If you go to school for something basic and in the same stretch of time I'm in the world doing it I'd wager I'm more "educated" than you. The point is that there is no monopoly on interpersonal social skills by the "institution" of romantic relationships. That means the whole analogy breaks down. Preselction selects for people with a high probability of possessing desirable traits who c…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 06:14 PM
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The point is that relationship skills are not magically confined to relationship experience. Even banter happens in non romantic contexts. Most of these claims simply don't hold up to scrutiny, and the idea that relationships beget relationship skills is belied by the real world evidence. Lots of people go through relationships long and short, many and few without ever developing those skills. Most of these answers really seem to be reaching for straws to avoid confronting preselection bias. We …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 05:58 PM
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Is it? Everything you've listed is a routinely excercised interpersonal skills. In my experience these skills are not even loosely correlated with relationship experience itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 04:57 PM
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Yeah, everything listed here is a normal interpersonal skill. All of them are routinely applicable in life outside of romance. It really suggests to me that the stigma against people who haven't been in relationships is actually the result of an underlying value proposition which most people just don't want to acknowledge or confess to, so they avoid that with justifications which don't hold up to scrutiny.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 04:55 PM
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I'd say it's a fundamental disconnect between men and women. Women lie to men and justify it as being in the man's best interest because they wish to be lied to. Men tell the truth to women and justify it as being in the woman's best interest because they wish to know the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 06:45 PM
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It's expected that men masturbate. It is not socially condoned that they do. It is expected that some people will do just about anything. It is not necessarily socially condoned just because some people do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 07:46 PM
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Find me a community with none of the above and I'll show you a community that is abnormal. Normalcy and acceptability are simply not the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 07:04 PM
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Murder, rape, theft, necrophilia, pedophilia and zoophilia are also expected to the point that a community with none of the above would also be considered weird. Expectation is not the same as social approval.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 06:36 PM
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It's actively expected that people will rape, murder and get fucked up on harcore drugs. Hell, There's an industry that ships fentanyl across the border too, but that doesn't mean anybody is encouraging it. Let's not confuse the presence of a behavior or commercial enterprise with social acceptance of the aforementioned.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 05:40 PM
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Yes, but these scenaros are neither infinite nor inherently equal. Some proposals cannot work. Others can only work if another group of competitors don't come up with a better solution.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 10:47 PM
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Try reading my original comment again. I'm not in the business of explaining what was clearly stated multiple times simply for your amusement.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 10:45 PM
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There will not be over a billion climate refugees and more importantly blaming heterosexuality is like blaming human existence itself. If you really believe that then you may as well support forced mass euthanasia. Congratulations you've discovered that human existence is the core feature of human suffering. Terminating that existence is obviously a solution to this obvious problem, but it's not one worth entertaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 10:44 PM
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The topic of the debate is the sustainability of heterosexuality. That climate change will change the world we live in is not relevant. Whether it's an apocalypse or not is. You’re using the term “evolutionary fitness” to apply it to a social movement. Not consistent to its actual meaning in biology. I take it you have never heard of Dawkins memetics and the substantial body of research in evolutionary biology on the topic. I also see that you are making an arbitrary distinction between the soci…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 10:41 PM
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I didn't say they had no freedom. I said they didn't have freedom from natural selective pressures which modern society has unchained them from. Read more carefully.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 10:36 PM
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So you were discussing a situation which is not the case and never will be. Congratulations, I believe the debate is over now, and I appreciate you conceding the point. This does not reflect the quality parts of the actual climate science so much as a pop culture notion about the topic. There will be over a billion climate change refugees in the decades to come. Heterosexuality is partially the reason for this. This is incorrect, delusional and self defeating.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 10:34 PM
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Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 10:27 PM
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You have a wild imagination.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 10:25 PM
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You would be wrong in this regard.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 10:24 PM
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Absence of adequate numbers of people. Reproductive rates among homosexuals are far too low and there aren't enough of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 10:21 PM
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None of those things are unnatural. Natural is, in this context, defined as evolutionarily fit. Seeing as we continue to exist and have for hundreds of thousands of years with every single thing you listed with the possible exception of organized society assuming you mean civilization then yes it's natural. Were we ever to stray too far from natural for too long we would cease to exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 10:20 PM
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With this dumb idea maybe you too can write a dumb book that will make you a lot of money when it becomes an equally stupid television show.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 10:17 PM
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There aren't enough gay people and lesbians do not reproduce at sustainable rates. There is neither the capability nor desirability for such a system to work. Climate change is not considered to be an impediment to the continuation of civilization. The only people peddling that nonesense are misrepresenting even the worst case predictions. Climate change is not the apocalypse and scientists have not produced data or analysis suggesting that it is. Astrophysicist suggest that a planet has a finit…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 10:15 PM
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You cannot sustain a civilzation level population using sperm donors and lesbians. It doesn't conflict with anti-feminism because feminism is fundamentally unnatural.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 09:52 PM
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First of all, by definition heterosexuality is the only sustainable system. No new people, no future system. Secondly, if you want to appeal to our orignal status in nature then women didn't have the freedom from natural pressures that are enjoyed in modern civilization. They were extremely dependent on a social grouping whose survival was dependent on the men, ergo the men ruled and the women needed to ingratiate themselves in order to maintain the necessary social capital for the survival of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 09:26 PM
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It's a generality. It is generally the case that women are attracted to extroversion and not so much to introversion.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 08:48 PM
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It's a fact that women find extroversion attractive in men and introversion comparatively unattractive. Virginity caused by shyness is a sign of introversion, an unattractive trait. Women find virginity unattractive because it signals unattractive qualities.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 08:09 PM
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Oh you're right. This post is by one of our resident dumbasses who spams stupid questions for which she possesses preconceived answers. I totally didn't read who posted it before responding to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 08:02 PM
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That's nice, but irrelevant to whether shyness factors into lesser attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 08:00 PM
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I can save him the trip. Misogyny and patriarchy are the reasons. If institutions weren't so misogynistically patriarchally sexist they would be studying women and not men. We can concern ourselves with men when everything is fixed for women. Also the work of fixing things for women never ends. Something, something when hell freezes over.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 07:55 PM
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If its preventing them from getting laid then for our purposes it is something wrong with them. Your confusing your own vision of worth with the mundanity of attraction. They are completely unrelated.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 07:50 PM
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You've made the same mistake I pointed to men making by suggesting that struggling men may have nothing wrong with them. They do have something wrong with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 07:45 PM
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Women are attracted to extroversion. If a man is a virgin because he is shy then his virginity suggests a degree of introversion which is perceived as unattractive. I see two major issues for how each sex views sexlessness in men. Women seem to conflate attractiveness with virtue and men seem to not realize that virtue isn't how women measure worth. Your example follows from there. Women will decide the shy man is deplorably defective when reality is they find him mundanely unattractive, and men…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 07:32 PM
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Yes the strange and likely fallacious assumption of congruity between moral virtue and sexual success most certainly exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 07:20 PM
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That's far from the only or even most common driver of pump and dumps and as such there is no reason women should overly focus on that particular issue when seeking to avoid that behavior. If women really wanted to avoid pump and dumps then they wouldn't have sex freely outside of relationships with ironclad commitments. If you suggest that then they complain about being horny so it's a pointless conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 07:17 PM
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It's both. People create a false dichotomy between society and biology. You can't be social to the degree a human is without being biologically designed for it. Clams don't have complex and devloped society because of their biology. Humans do have that because of their biology. The idea that we can separate the two is a false dichotomy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 07:13 PM
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There are way fewer of y'all. In a discussion that necessarily involves generalities your unique perspective is liable to be dismissed not because you're being untruthful but because your truth doesn't really contravene the general rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 07:01 PM
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When discussing social perceptions and their impact on behavior it doesn't really matter whether or not the analogy is true only that many people believe it to be sufficiently true as to act on it. If many women believe an inexperienced man is what he is as product of negative selection ergo a low quality product then they will behave accordingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 06:54 PM
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I think the more important question is what if the monkey is stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 06:42 PM
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Agreed. Weight is not the primary problem for men. It probably matters more for women, but considering the plethora of options it's still not a make or break issue. At best this issue is ancillary.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 03:30 PM
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You sound like a good mother. I wish mine had cared enough to try and keep up with the world instead of raising me to live in the seventies and eighties.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 09:14 PM
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as long as at least one parent is dependable and neither is an actual survival threat (remember, you interpret these things in an purely emotional way when you are preverbal), things should turn out well (or so it goes). Actually evidence suggests that one decent parent does not compensate for a bad one.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 09:11 PM
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Draft dodging is a huge issue precisely for the all important issue of strategy. Ukraine needs more warm bodies which it cannot acquire and which its citizenry will not provide. Any factor which can lose you a war is a huge issue. Proportions are irrelevant, total numbers of troops are relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 02:24 PM
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That's incorrect. Conscription age in Ukraine doesn't even go down that low. Currently it's at 25.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 04:10 PM
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My only point was to correct the notion that Ukraine or even Ukrainian men writ large have stepped up to the plate or are a model for a western society doing such (nevermind that calling them western is a stretch).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 03:09 PM
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The men are stepping up Not enough of them. Draft dodging is a major problem and increasing conscription to cover the ideal demographic of young men is a complete poltical nonstarter. They suffer from the classic western delusion we have fed them. Wars can be fought but the individual won't be the one who has to fight them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 03:02 PM
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They aren't really a good model of that. Draft dodging is a huge issue in Ukraine and the military is suffering a manpower shortage. Anybody who can flee the country has done so including young men of fighting age, and furthermore increased conscription is so unpopular that it's politically unviable. If the Ukrainian government successfully passed new conscription orders to take in the ideal demographic of young men (who are currently exempted under a certain age) then the ruling coalition would…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 03:00 PM
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Yeah, it's some of the dumbest advice I've ever heard. The costs so far outweigh any potential benefits that it's not even worth serious consideration.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 11:05 PM
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This sub is about heterosexual sex and romance not trans gender ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 03:45 PM
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Wrong sub. This is completely off topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 04:08 AM
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Or maybe you have me confused with the OP who is delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 06:24 PM
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What in the world are you talking about dude? It sounds like we have the same point. Men do most of those jobs. You're arguing with the wind here.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 06:24 PM
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https://www.policinginstitute.org/infocus/march-women-in-policing/ https://www.ceacisp.org/news/construction-worker-demographics-us https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/article/3246268/department-of-defense-releases-annual-demographics-report-upward-trend-in-numbe/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_of_Ur-Nammu https://www.iowapbs.org/iowapathways/artifact/1546/role-women-farm-early-20th-century https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_roles_in_agriculture https://msmarketmaker.wordpress.co…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 02:13 AM
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Not housing, or law enforcement they aren't. Not energy production or food they aren't. Not infrastructure they aren't. So basically they are providing none of the practical necessities for you to live in a civilzation where you can go on the internet and act like a complete retard.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 10:05 PM
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If men enforce laws, as most law enforcement officers are men, to benefit the populace, and women, who by and large don't participate in law enforcement, are part of the populace then men (law enforcement) protect women (the non participating populace). If men build houses, construction is overwhelmingly male, and women, who don't participate in construction, are part of the populace living in those houses then men (consteuction workers) provide housing for women (not construction workers). This…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 09:56 PM
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Your premise is blatantly false. Historical records prove it as well as modern statistics which were provided to you by another commenter. If you are going to sit there and argue that the legal system and law enforcement, a field disproportionately occupied by men, do not exist solely for the purpose of protecting the populace by providing safety via order you're delusional. If you are going to sit there and pretend that the production of food, extraction of energy producing materials and constr…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 09:48 PM
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Your OP questioned whether men provide and protect. I provided a list of civilizations features pioneered and maintained overwhelmingly by men which serve the purpose of provisioning and protecting. You proceded to say, "nahuh but women." Women did not and still largely do not contribute what men contribute. Women contribute something else which is not the subject of your OP. If you're going to participate in a debate sub maybe you should understand debate starting with keeping track of your own…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 09:40 PM
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That negates nothing. Women being involved however peripheral in nature that involvement is does not negate men's contributions. This argument of yours is a non sequitur..
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 09:31 PM
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Recorded history is not pre historic by definition. Jesus you are dense. At any rate the development of legal codes, enforcement of law, building of structures, acquisition of raw resources, defense of the state, and development of financial systems that I listed are predominately male dominated in the present day as well..
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 08:55 PM
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You moved the goalposts right from the get go. You said there was no evidence of male provisioning and protection. I offered all of human history and the specific areas men made the most significant bordering on almost exclusive contributions to. You responded with naha women were involved tangentially so it doesn't count. You don’t know what you're talking about or even how to debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 08:49 PM
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Nope, You're unabashedly wrong. Yes it is pointless to debate imbeciles, but I enjoy titling with windmills. Vice versa dumbass.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 08:38 PM
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Yes you are prolific example of Dunning Krueger.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 08:35 PM
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Nope. Enjoy being wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 08:34 PM
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Lmao no it doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 08:33 PM
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Oh I'm hardly engaged in an ass pull. Countless resources including those you've listed above support my broader point.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 08:33 PM
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I did and that evidence does not exist hence your failure to provide it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 08:32 PM
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Interesting, evidence exists, but you cannot provide it. How convenient.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 08:16 PM
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Nope. You won't be able to produce a valid spruce from a qualified expert who has any evidence proving that women invented agriculture because one does not exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 08:14 PM
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Nope.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 08:12 PM
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It does not.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 08:10 PM
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Clearly you've been reading feminist sociology because those are the only "sources" which make such outrageous claims and they are backed by neither the appropriate credentials nor any significant evidence. Maybe try getting your historical views from historians, anthropologists, and archeologists. To base your understanding of anthropology and history on sociology is like basing your understanding of human language on ornothology.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 08:08 PM
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I have. Maybe you should take your own advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 08:02 PM
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The cultivation of land is a male role throughout recorded history. Agriculture is not the same as planting a seed. It's endless toil and selective breeding, as well as husbandry. Those are predominately male labors. At any rate you've been moving the goal posts by suggesting that women's existence alongside men gives them credit for men's labors while illegitimating men's overwhelming contributions. You're obviously poorly educated.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 08:00 PM
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Agriculture was almost certainly not created by women lmao. You're historically and anthropolgically illiterate.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 07:55 PM
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Open a history book and then get back to me. Women had basically no relationship to the development of legal codes, enforcement of law, building of structures, acquisition of raw resources, defense of the state, or development of financial systems. That's all providing and protecting. You said there was no evidence when there is a mountain of it in about 5000 years of recorded history.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 07:51 PM
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Actually more or less they did.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 07:47 PM
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You live in a society with laws, law enforcement, food, shelter and clothing. The entire history of civilzation is evidence. Men did that. You're welcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 07:43 PM
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Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 06:41 PM
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even successful therapists on youtube published videos nicely explaining why it is that way Do you have any links to these videos or search queries? I'd be curious to hear some practitioners discuss there experiences with this issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 06:02 PM
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If you want to follow delusional gender theorists that's your business, but if you want to spread lies about history that's not an opinion, but a distortion of fact. Obviously anyone with a vested interest in good history will take offense to that. Nobody has been erased from history. Important women are studied and remembered. There simply aren't anywhere near as many as there are men. Your argument is an age old conspiracy using classic conspiracy logic. You've essentially argued that the larg…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 01:43 PM
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If I list the men I know from most successful with women to least successful with women and then from most misogynistic to least misogynistic I end up with almost the exact same list.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 01:10 PM
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I'm not even going to address the radfem bullshit here, but leave the woowoo history conspiracies out of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 01:07 PM
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Don't you ever get tired of whining on this sub? Didn't you just do one of these posts in the last couple of days covering the exact same topic? Are you incapable of calming down or do you just have nothing better to do?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 06:30 PM
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Aristocracy still has massive internal class differences. Archduke Franz Ferdinand and his aristocratic wife Sophie were considered too far apart in terms of class for him to be seen in any major public appearance or ceremony with her. Their romance is a literal Cinderella story. You could also look at low level aristocracy in the middle ages. It wasn't exactly uncommon for a free peasant or a town merchant/craftsmen to be wealthier and more important than someone from the lower rungs of the lan…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 03:37 PM
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Yes, I'm sure you're trying to say that, but you didn't and instead made a ridiculous probabilistic assumption about individuals rather than just leading with the group generalization you wanted to advance. You call it semantics, I call it getting you to say what you mean with clarity.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 04:50 PM
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If everything is non zero then that evaluation tells us literally next to nothing about probability. There's also a non zero chance that at some point we genetically engineer a unicorn that can poop rainbows If your point is quite likely I'd disagree. You have absolutely no way of knowing anything about that dude or this woman which is probably why you offered up non zero in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 04:30 PM
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Dude, there's a non zero chance of almost anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 04:21 PM
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Bingo.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 07:13 AM
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Yeah I cannot help but notice that almost every woman who says it doesn't matter goes on to describe their partner as a man with those traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 07:04 AM
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Inductive processes are also covered by logic so for our purposes it is a trivial distinction.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 01:20 PM
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This is irrelevant to the argument. It does not refute any example given by OP as he has made logical deductions from evidence produced by logical deductions and observations. You're engaged in an informal fallacy. As a further point though all conclusions of any study or paper are logical arguments whether good or bad. The data is not logic, but conclusions cannot be drawn from data in the absence of a deductive process which is what logic is. Logic may not become invalid overtime, but it can b…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 08:57 PM
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Logic plays a central role in all mathematics and in the process of empirical study. If those pieces of evidence are wrong it would be because the underlying logic is poor or if the assumed conclusion the studies are being used to support is in fact a poor deduction from the content of the studies. In support of the OP's point I frequently observe that logical arguments advanced by men with underlying evidence are normally dismissed by women without any counterevidence or critical examination th…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 08:44 PM
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Well in that case maybe you don't understand straight men well enough to be offering uninformed opinions about their motives.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 07:57 PM
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Your last paragraph. Maybe you want to fuck her and think she's attractive, but then just be honest that it's your opinion instead of attributing it to others.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 07:28 PM
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Sounds like tbere's a bit of projection going on here so maybe just speak for yourself bud.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 07:15 PM
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It's a rhetorical trap question. Almost every man will answer A on little evidence when it comes to children, but many would answer B on little evidence when it comes to a scenario that involves an adult woman rather than a child. Unfortunately the hypothetical is too vague and sexual relations between adults are vastly different from child predation, but that is undoubtedly the angle OP is going for.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 06:45 PM
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This question is a rhetorical trap first and foremost. You're obviously trying to use an analogy as a commentary on whether we believe rape accusations or not and then suggest that men are hypocritical for picking choice A when it comes to our children and then choice B when it's applied to a pair of adults.There are two reasons this analogy doesn't work. First of all children are different than women, hence the concept of statutory rape. If anything sexual happened to a child it wasn't because …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 06:43 PM
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I'd say it's more like personal advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 06:46 PM
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You need to take a chill pill and get a life. You spend way too much time on this subreddit making unhinged posts.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 04:01 PM
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Absolute biological essentialism.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 05:01 PM
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OP's post argues that men refuse to comply with modern standards. It seems that pointing out that modern standards aren't worth complying to is rather relevant to the debate especially considering that's the overwhelming view of the men OP is talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 04:09 PM
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Modern American women are not that enjoyable. Women don't have to be reduced to pussy and it's absurd to suggest I'm the one doing that, but if they have unappealing personality traits and behaviors then pussy is the floor. If they sit on the floor then I'm uninterested. Some guys desperately need the floor. Other guys are far enough up the hierarchy already that the effort for above par women isn't that much. I'm neither desperate enough to pursue the floor nor am I high enough up to realistica…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 03:03 PM
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Yeah, sorry but the competition for men and women isn't even remotely the same. I have to do way more work than my equivalent woman does in order to be deemed worthy of less than she would. At any rate the 'who has it harder' dick measuring contest is a fruitless conversation so I'll point out the most important part you missed. I'm perfectly okay with myself as is. I'm not looking for a relationship. I'd have to be a certain level of discontent or desperate and have a certain probability of suc…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 02:57 PM
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I'm okay with my shape. I'm okay with my friends. I'm okay with my social media or more accurately absence thereof. I don't care about social media, never did never will. I'm happy with who I know and what my social network looks like. The part missed is that I'm fine with my life. If a woman doesn't add to that, and if attracting women costs me that enjoyment then what I already have is fine or even preferable.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 02:50 PM
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Certainly some number that is significant enough to be felt.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 02:46 PM
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At some point enough men experience the same things that you cannot just pretend they're all the fantasies of a permanent net dweller who dreamed them up via his absence of a life.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 09:49 PM
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Honestly, most of the things which make men dislike women are things they've seen or heard from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 08:03 PM
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It's not worth the effort, time or money. I have to max myself out before I get any attention, so that means years in the wilderness. The reward for that is substandard. Then the odds that the reward walks away on a whim are high, and they get to leave with my money and potentially make any children difficult for me to access. In the meantime they aren't making themselves appealing to me. I'm not enough of a chump who needs pussy so bad that I'll jump through hoops to fuck women I don't even rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 06:34 PM
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Nobody cares what you would do. The point is a general point about how people commonly say whatever they need to get what they want. What is it with you ladies and thinking everything is an absolute statement about you personally even when nobody has implied that? Sheesh.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 04:41 PM
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Regardless, people behave that way and you have your answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 02:39 PM
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I don't personally engage in that behavior, but I know guys who do. I think it's really just about achieving a goal via the path of least resistance. It's not really different than women lying about their sexual past. One person wants something from another and either knows or fears that some particular disclosure will prevent them from receiving that something.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 02:17 PM
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Many men feel that way yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 02:07 PM
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Perhaps and perhaps not. I did preface my comment with the qualifier, "based on this response."
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 06:13 PM
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Prioritizing your child's needs is entirely different from making them the center of the universe. Your children will be special to no one and then released into an uncaring society. It's your job to provide the antidote to that. It sounds like you won't. My mom was horribly unequipped to be a parent. I'm by far the most successful child as someone living an independent and fully employed albeit empty and mediocre life. The rest did not do well for themselves. By all means maintain your current …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 04:56 PM
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If the primary concern you hold as a parent is how your child affects others then your primary concern as a parent isn't your child, it's the others. Those should be secondary or tertiary concerns after the primary needs of your son. Instead you'll be teaching him that a good man's needs are unimportant, that he comes last after literal strangers. The hierarchy of value you've described carries that message implicitly. I was raised the way you're describing. My mother cared more for her moral se…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 03:03 PM
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Based on this response I suspect you're not a very good parent. A parent should look after the needs and concerns of their child not use their child as a vehicle to look after unrelated strangers. Nothing says a mother doesn't give a fuck about her son more than her taking greater interest in the well being of random women she'll never meet than she does in her own child.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 02:47 PM
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Yes, I agree with that premise. I'm not sure where you see a disconnect with my stated view.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 02:16 AM
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Yes but those systems weed themselves out by their own nature. Darwinsim rules the day. Broadly monogmous socities in the west and the East have been the most successful.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 09:53 PM
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Exceptions do not constitute widespread norms, but more importantly you would have to compare the upper classes of socities which allow polgyny and those which don't. Take any stretch fo the medical ages which are absolutely lawless and had massive wealth disparities. You'll find far more mongomously behaving elites than you would in the middle east. Men by and large desire mongomy from women. Men by and large cannot achieve nonmonogomy for themsleves. A society run by men by and large is a soci…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 03:11 PM
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He hasn't had three wives simultaneously. Women were the ones who ushered in the modern divorce system against the wishes of the patriarchal western religions. You are confusing rule breaking with he absence for rules. If I murder someone it doesn't mean we live in a purge style free for all.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 02:49 PM
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Western society is and has been strictly monogomous for over a thousand years. Notice who is in charge of the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 02:36 PM
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Men are generally more helpful to other men than women are. You just don't see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 02:12 PM
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All emotions are punished (and anger severely so). Anger is just the unstoppable emotion you get when other avenues are closed off. Women often and mistakenly conflate the frequency of expression with the level of acceptance that men's emotions recieve when the reality is that the frequency of expression I correlated not with external acceptance but rather internal control and inversely so.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 02:10 PM
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There are no societies which trend toward widespread polygyny. It's not functionally possible because of the expense. Societies that allow it only see it at 5he pinnacle of the social hierarchy and tend to be outcompeted by societies which don't allow it. Notably those societies are more strictly patriarchal than the ones which allow for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 01:54 PM
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Yeah, if you live in the real world where there is always a next, a bigger goal, but the purpose of this hypothetical is just to gage womens' perception of sex appeal in men. Understand that for the purpose of striking up a relationship versus just fucking around sex appeal is a baseline necessity. A man could wield it differently if he wished for one or the other, but at the end of the day sex appeal is sex appeal. It's not different for a relationship or a casual hookup. This thought experimen…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 04:28 AM
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Perhaps and perhaps not. It may also mean bottom of the barrel.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 02:38 AM
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I view lowest common denominator as below average. Maybe that's not what she meant but absent further clarification that's what I made of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 02:23 AM
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I'm not really arguing that there aren't valid strategies where you rack up points with less attractive women, but you probably would lose the competition to a more innovative strategy which opens the door to approaching all kinds of women. Collecting quarters is better than collecting pennies even if it isn't collecting hundred dollar bills. Your idea would also make for an interesting thought experiment.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 11:14 PM
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The goal is to have sex appeal. The hypothetical is a test of that. The desired end result of that sex appeal is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 10:07 PM
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It doesn't matter what the end is. Based on the proposed scenario you wouldn't win the most points by only going for lowest common denominator women because they presumably would be less attractive. The only real point of the hypothetical is to see what women think men should do to raise their sex appeal. That being said If you're concerned about what happens afterwards it's probably worth understanding that there is no downside to heightened sex appeal when it comes to serious relationships or …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 08:53 PM
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I think it's a thought experiment to reveal what sort of things women would have men invest in to maximize those men's sex appeal to women. It's one of those things where you approach the hypothetical literally, but don't take the hypothetical literally.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 08:41 PM
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Yes because the preponderance of human reproduction through the ages isn't a matter of anthropology but rather a covert attempt to get laid. 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 06:02 PM
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If your kids are worse off than kids raised on less than dollar a day then that's a you problem not wealth problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 05:47 PM
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Society very much needs people. Every era of technological development in any field is accompanied by a fantasy of the end of workers. It never comes true. People have raised well adjusted children successfully for several hundred thousand years most of which was done in conditons you and I consider to be abject poverty. Kids today live in comparatively luxurious wealth but are more fucked up than ever. People who think economics is the primary factor in effective child rearing and that modern c…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 04:22 PM
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Historically most people were working class, most working class people were relatively poor and most of the population was produced by most of the already existing population.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 04:05 PM
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That idea is a bit of a meme. Like any kind of work it depends on your level of competence and professional drive. I work in a trade and know other people who do as well. There's considerable variance in earning, hours worked, and financial skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 03:59 PM
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No because society needs people to be worker bees and most of those people were historically produced by the poor and working class. The reproductive rates of the wealthy have always been comparatively low throughout history. The wealthy today aren't reproducing more to compensate that gap even as they become the top reproducing demographic.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 03:55 PM
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Good. Now go back and research the rest of the gobbedly gook in your original comment before spouting off again about something your misinformed about.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 04:03 PM
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Men's sports scholarships are for sports not sex and title IX requires exact sex based equivalence in these areas. If men have it women do too. To top if off the men's programs earrings subsidize the women's programs and scholarships in order to force gender parity. As to the rest, yes you can find social engineering programs which base scholarships on sex when the preferred sex is female, but not any which give men benefits on the basis of being male. That you want to justify it as "evening out…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 04:00 PM
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The point was that your argument is just as absurd. Finding scholarships men can access is different than finding scholarships men can access because they are specifically men and is different than finding that men have as many sex exclusive educational subsidies as women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 03:51 PM
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So if I google medieval queens welding the powers of a head of state and find something historical misogyny is bullshit? Checkmate feminists. 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 03:46 PM
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If men are barred from monetary subsidies that women recieve for the same pursuit then they aren't barred based on money but rather sex. This is explicitly in the requirements. You clearly have swallowed the narrative you repeat without an ounce of critical thought. This example is only the tip of the iceberg. I'm not even holding you to account for being clueless about, for example, the Boko Haram incident and it's broader Nigerian context. Stop spreading propaganda if you won't bother to analy…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 03:13 PM
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You aren't offending me. You're just repeating an inaccurate analysis of society derived of extremely low quality far left academia. Whether you know any of that or not is irrelevant, but I'm tired of writing essays debunking this stuff especially when you repeat things which you would obviously know to be false if you did even a tiny bit of critical thinking. As just a tiny example you said misandry has never had governmental backing. This is blatantly untrue in western countries where governme…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 02:46 PM
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Oh please.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 02:40 PM
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It depends on what you think misandry is. If it's cartoonishly vocal man hating and open hostility no, but then again women aren't known for their straight forward or aggressive nature by and large, and life isn't a bad lifetime movie where people yell slurs at randos on the street. My two common observations are that young women have strong sex based double standards, and that they are over invested in feminist paradigms which prop up a victim mentality at the expense of men where no obvious vi…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 02:34 PM
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Not even remotely is this circular reasoning or begging the question. It's grounded in evolutionary mechanisms that crudely approximate reality, but not always in the most literal material terms. They don't value it because others do. They value it because others devalue the opposite. Others devalue the opposite for the same reason preselection takes place ie the objectice circumstances of survival and reproduction and the indicators of high value in those domains. The fundamental principle here…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 05:12 PM
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I think you've lost the thread of conversation from my original comment. The original question was an inquiry as to why men value promiscuity for themselves when society and women clearly don't praise them for it. The answer was that men self percieve value in promiscuity because it is an externally and internally recognized indicator of the absence of traits for which society and women do actively devalue men. If the goal is to not be devalued than the opposite of the devaluing trait is desirab…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 04:48 PM
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Yes. The original question was answered as the opposite of value (though the original question was about men's perception not objective truth). It's not that fucking around is valued so much as an inability to do so is devalued. This creates a perceptual bias whereby not being devalued is seen as valuable by the person avoiding the devaluing. The objective practical benefits of avoiding social devaluation are obvious. From there someone chimed in that attractiveness is valued not body count and …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 04:36 PM
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Who ever said anything about healthy or unhealthy? A question was asked about what is and why it is. That question was answered.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 04:11 PM
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It's a self perception. A man can proxy his own self conception of attractiveness on the basis of body count. Women will also use the same proxy to a degree as reflected by preselction and mate copying behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 01:21 PM
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Perception of value by proxy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 03:25 AM
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It's less that men achieve some recognition of value for sleeping with many women than it is that men who fail to sleep with women are proactively devalued. By contrast successful promiscuity falls on the opposite end of that spectrum.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 07:54 PM
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There's a distinction between counter culture and mainstream culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 03:21 PM
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Malignant sexism is a form of arbitrary prejudice. Nothing about preventive safety in these circumstances is arbitrary or disproportionate. To think that men owe women career opportunities more than they owe themselves safety is the peak of entitlement. If you think that a refusal to burn oneself to keep you warm is sexist then you're delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 07:24 PM
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I'd put my money on stupidity over LARPing. Dumb people are more common than internet imposters.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 04:48 PM
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Maybe we should do a PPD poll. We can see who thinks she is a malignant troll and who thinks she's a few cards short of a deck.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 03:46 PM
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I give people the benefit of the doubt. Assign not to malice what can be explained by stupidity and whatnot.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 03:42 PM
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I'm beginning to think you're a shitposter or troll of some kind.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 02:43 PM
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Every single one references humans and was conducted on humans. Maybe English isn't your first language or perhaps younstruggle with reading comprehension, but then you probably shouldn't be engaging in serious debates about the validity of scientific theories should you sweetie?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 12:50 AM
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I just have to chuckle at your mental gymnastics. 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 11:28 PM
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https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1090513810000231 That one has eighty-nine citations in other scientific research papers. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40750-018-0099-y https://yorzinskilab.org/mate-choice-copying-in-humans/ Have some more sources. The second one explicitly references the extensive scientific literature which establishes mate copying among human females.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 08:52 PM
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Everything I mentioned is relevant in dating. I said many, not all. Young people have plenty of access to achievable social goals which indicate long term potential fro growth. Women choose young men based on potential and older men based on realized gains.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 08:11 PM
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Yes it is scientific literature, and yes I read it. Did you? It specifically discussed women being more interested in men when those men had female partners the third party woman saw as attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 07:08 PM
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Considering how broad social proof is, yes it's the most important factor. Social proof is everything from whether other women like me to how much money I make, my status in the relevant social hierarchies, to the level of respect I command from the people around me. That list is endless and most men aren't that attractive looking yet many of them still get laid. The panopoly of social proof is discernably the most important.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 07:06 PM
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You've described two factors which improve desirability. Social proof on one hand and physical attraction on the other. So, yes, your argument does boil down to observing that there are more factors than social proof of desirability to the opposite sex. It's rather trite to say that men are more likely to do well when already physically attractive as this will independently help generate social proof. No shit Sherlock. Next you'll be telling us money doesn't accumulate more money because someone…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 06:53 PM
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It's not topical. It is irrelevant. Mate copying is not established on the basis of male observations. Whine about men misinterpreting kindness as sexual interest all you want, but it has nothing to do with the reality of mate copying. Your fun little theory is just an unevidenced rationalization based on perceptions in your head. Mate copying is not exclusively studied in non human animals. There is a substantial body of literature on mate copying in human females. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.g…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 06:31 PM
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The scientific literature on the topic of preselction and mate copying is firmly established. What men percieve has no relationship to what women want. You are conflating two entirely separate phenomenon in order to assign all cause to the man. Men over interpret women's signals. Women desire men who are already desired by other women. These have been observed and established entirely independent of one another. No scientist worth their salt concluded that women engage in mate copying by asking …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 05:47 PM
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Your observation is trite. It boils down to saying that there is more than one factor in attraction. News flash, there is more than one factor in almost everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 05:24 PM
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You're entirely off topic. Men over interpreting signals of sexual and romantic interest has entirely nothing to do with the well established mating proclivities of women unless we make some seriously foolish assumptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 05:22 PM
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If your argument is basically that all women aren't just fucking dudes exclusively because they already have partners then congratulations you are right. What's your next groundbreaking observation? The sky isn't always blue? Not all fish have fins? Birds fly to escape predators, not just to hunt? We await your next post with bated breath Captain Obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 05:03 PM
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So that's why girls keep trying to fuck me when I'm taken? Presumably based on your statement I can conclude that women feel obligated to fuck men who think they're being flirted with. Alternatively you don't know what you're talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 04:54 PM
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Preselection or mate copying is a well established phenomenon in the field of biology. You may call it stupid, but people a lot smarter and better informed than you call it science. Do with that what you will.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 04:52 PM
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I can tell which posts are yours just by reading the title.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 03:53 PM
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Agreed, but it's definitely an issue when even at the highest levels of academic credentials there are people who so badly misunderstanding what empathy is.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 06:02 PM
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Imagine there is a nice painting you want at an auction and I outbid you and buy it. Now at a later point the painting comes into your possession, but only after I've taken a big stinky shit on it, smeared it around and torn it up. Would you be sitting there thinking to yourself that you're so happy to have this painting at last, even more so than if you got it in mint conditon, or would you be thinking about how much better it would have been if you got it during the auction when it was still i…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 07:07 PM
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Particularly considering (a) and (b) are far from guarantees.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 06:54 PM
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By definition nice guys finish last. Basically, now that she's 25 she is ready to settle down By your own accounting of her statement she saved the nice guy for last. Women want to be a man's last. Men want to be a woman's first. To assume the man is winning from your perspective on sex and dating is to ignore the fact that he's a man not a woman. Why would your perspective even matter here? It's as ridiculous as arguing that someone else should like blue cheese because you like blue cheese when…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 06:49 PM
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Hithens razor is a fallacy on its face. Without even going into the issue of epistemology it's self defeating as the razor has been advanced without evidence. There's a reason its not discussed or even acknowledged by philosophers, among whom Christpher Hitchens does not number.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 11:44 PM
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All truth claims, both negative and postive, require evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 07:56 PM
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Thank Jesus. How does OP still not understand this after so many malformed posts of this kind where multiple users explain this shit to her? It boggles my mind
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 04:13 AM
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Cherry pick all you want. The vast majority of the response fit into my characterization. My point stands.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 04:11 AM
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There has been. If you haven't noticed the nature ff the responses either dismissing the validity of the question or ignoring the hard bifurcation in favor of a more realistic interpretation of OP's intended question then you can only be some combination of three things. Willfully ignorant, stupid and/or illiterate. Judging by your inability to actually engage the substance of anything I've said I might be inclined to believe it's all three.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 03:58 AM
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They do. That's what I just told you. Most men in this thread answered one or two on the very assumption that each leads to or already entails the other. At any rate my core point is this. The OP's hypothetical is exactly as dog shit vs pig shit to men as these choices are to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 03:48 AM
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And it's beyond your comprehension that men feel the same? Or is it just unacceptable to you? Besides who said anything about women being picky. Respond to what's said. Shadow fencing with your own expectations only makes you look foolish. At any rate you're trying to have a fight with me over the answer to a question you asked. If you don't want to know the answer then don't ask the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 03:43 AM
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Also it should say ask. I dropped an important word. Whoopsie 😅
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 03:38 AM
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Why do guys get choices where both are appealing? Seems women get more “would you rather date dog shit or date pig shit”. Mem should say men. Typo. Men here constantly say that women get to experience sex and love even if bifurcated and women always complain that the bifurcation is unfair and both choices on their own are shit. Shockingly men say the same when offered the same choices, but you believe those choices are adequate for us even if they are unacceptable for yourself. I hope that adequ…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 03:36 AM
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Sounds desperate to me. Desperation is born of practical necessity. At any rate you've conveniently dodged my point which answered your question about the choices. Men also ask the same question you do all the time and yet you're surprised to get the response women so often give.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 03:31 AM
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I answered your question. I also criticized the premise and offered you some advice on how to refine your questions. That being said, if teenagers' games are your goal you're doing a fantastic job of things.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 03:26 AM
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You'd be hard pressed to show me an enthusiastic rather than calculated or pragmatic choice. Nobody wipes their ass because they're enthusiastic.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 03:24 AM
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I note it's interesting you only wish to engage with simple answers, and not those which involved some real thought. Your version of would you rather is quite frankly boring. That being said I gave you the boring version answer since you've previously gotten upset at me for merely challenging your premise. I figured this time I'd do you the courtesy of both. Maybe I come across as condescending to you but my critique of your hypotheticals is supposed to be constructive criticism since the fundam…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 03:22 AM
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Fun question for you. Would you rather ask questions that genuinely peer into the male psyche, or would you rather play stupid games for teenagers? Remember, they're mutually exclusive and in the case of the questions you ask, realistically so.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 03:11 AM
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Because people try to treat hypotheticals in a realistic fashion and your hypothetical breaks the willing suspension of disbelief that these thought experiments demand by being wildly unbelievable.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 03:08 AM
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To a man neither of these are appealing. When women bifurcate what they offer us we bifurcate what we offer in return. Your options are shit because you get what you pay for (and vice versa). The idea that either of these options are desirable on their own merely reinforces the male notion that women expect everything for whatever garbage they choose to offer.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 03:05 AM
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Understandably this is a thought experiment. At the same time it's very difficult to engage in because it's so unrealistically bifurcated. As many have pointed out, option one very likely means option two is available or even already present within the same relationship. Option two may have the possibility of building to option one, but has no concomitant probabilistic guarantee. In this absurd hypothetical my hypothetical answer would be number two. One is an upper hierarchy need. Two is a lowe…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 03:00 AM
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Obviously. Like you said, realistically men would just be women and women would be men and everything would stay the same. Like I said, it's a thought experiment.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 05:04 PM
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We're already subjected to conscription which is definitionally being told what to do with your body under threat of government reprisal. That hasn't changed and isn't going to change in the near future. The physical consequences of those expectations far outstrip pregnancy. Men may whine and complain but the state will always protect that which is necessary for society when it comes from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 04:26 PM
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Considering that a pro-life position stems from traditionalist expectations that men are still held accountable to and women are not, yes it's quite likely. There is ample evidence that judicial outcomes are substantially mediated by sympathy for the relevant parties which women recieve at much higher rates than men. For women choice for themselves is culturally normative. For men it's duty and obligation to others and society. It is certainly more likely that abortion would be illegal in this t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 04:14 PM
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It would be struck down as illegal on the basis that the baby is a separate person. Whether men would vote for it en masse is a murky assumption but it wouldn't be relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 04:08 PM
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While this is the real answer the thought experiment proposed by OP is interesting if we suspend disbelief in the workings of biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 04:05 PM
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It also doesn't mean she didn't lie. The simple truth about rape statistics is that we know very little. The one thing we do know is that in the vast majority of cases we don't know.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 02:52 PM
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Women love players. Women hate being played.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 05:59 PM
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Yes looks matter. Yes pretty people are treated better and given more opportunities across the board in life. No it's not the end of the world. If these kind of spaces make you feel bad about your body then I'd recommend reducing or eliminating your interaction with them. If you're relatively average then you're fine. Particularly as a woman there is no absolute bifurcation in how you're judged so average is perfectly okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 09:22 PM
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Hmm so you are more black pill than anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 08:00 PM
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By raising a man with agency you take the risk that he rejects your moral lessons and becomes a terrible person. Many western anglophone countries are full of women who would rather raise an agentless miserable man just to be sure he is incapable of being terrible. We are a desperately risk adverse people. Yes, to some degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 07:30 PM
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Regardless Tony is not a normal representation of pathology.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 07:17 PM
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Harm is harm however you want to slice it. If he is depressed by the absence of a woman then no it's probably not the case that he would turn down a woman as long as she isn't uglier than him. Great. You aren't describing Adam anymore. At any rate agency is a product of action. Someone who doesn't do anything is displaying a lack of agency. If Adam is perpetually in this state then one of two things must be true. He is either adequately content with his state of being or he lacks the agency to c…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 06:18 PM
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Yeah, being self centered is a feature of psychopathy and of Tony Soprano and yet pathology exists on a spectrum where few people are as fucked as Tony Soprano. Extreme examples are often used in classroom settings to allow for an obvious illustration of a concept. Nevertheless well educated and competent professionals understand real life nuance.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 06:05 PM
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If you aren't aware of these things then yes I could fool you, but then again tricking the ignorant isn’t much of a feat.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 05:41 PM
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I'd say it's you who lack nuance. Let me fix a few of your statements. People can be good, and not be pushovers. Yes, but only if they have the capacity to be bad. People can study and be kind and not be pushovers. Yes but only if they have the capacity to be lazy assholes. People don't need to manipulate and hurt other people for their own gains to not be pushovers. Yes but only if they have the ability to manipulate and hurt others. The prompt did not say Adam has no spine. If Adam wasn't ugly…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 05:39 PM
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Yes I'm well aware of the literature on narcissism and depression. Unfortunately those stats are massaged. The actual literature is loaded with the depressing reality that "responds well" actually means responds marginally. It also fails to point out the substantial subset for whom treatment makes things worse. It's no coincidence that kids raised in therapy culture have more mental health issues. At any rate responding marginally is also the most common response for more serious pathologies. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 04:46 PM
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The OP's example gives us too many guarantees on outcomes and offers two ultra extreme examples. Nevertheless the idea of these two men hold water so I'm addressing those ideas seriously rather than sticking to the letter of a cartoonish prompt. At any rate all we really can know is the actions of these two archetypal men. Adam doesn't act like an asshole but he also appears like a pushover. A pushover cannot act like an asshole because they aren't psychologically equipped to express whatever is…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 04:33 PM
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The therapy may have been realistic but Tony Soprano as a character is just one of many media depictions of psychopathy which default to the most extreme representation. If you've never been around or worked with people who actually suffer from real pathologies then you wouldn't know that Tony Soprano is the rarest of ultra extreme cases. More simply put don't get your ideas about mental illnesses from TV characters. The therapy process in the show may be accurate but Tony isn't a common person …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 04:21 PM
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Not substantially no. The sample pool is simply much larger. If you take the deep dive into depression treatment you'll find it's mostly treatment resistant like more pathological traits. My ultimate point is this. There are two ways to frame this. Either depression and narcissism are fairly equivalently treatable or they are fairly equivalently untreatable. Whichever framing you choose it undermines the argument that your miserable son can be fixed where your asshole son can't. Either they both…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 04:17 PM
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You've completely glossed over my point. Adam is a feckless loser. He isn't capable of being morally repugnant. If you aren't capable of being morally repugnant then you aren't choosing to be morally upstanding; you're just harmless. Harmlessness carries no moral virtue and furthermore Adam may be truly a twisted hideous person underneath. It's just that he is not capable of acting on those immoral impulses because he is psychologically impotent. Caleb is an empowered man. He behaves as he sees …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 04:10 PM
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Try watching actual depressed people go through treatment in therapy. Neither group has a particularly high success rate. Once could put it two ways. Both groups are relatively equally treatable. Both groups are relatively equally untreatable. Either way it's untenable to argue that one is more desirable than the other based on the ability or inability to treat those conditons because both hypothetical characters have conditons which are equally prone to treatment for better or worse. Edit: Also…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 03:08 PM
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Then you missed my point. If you abdicate before nature you will get raw and unfiltered nature. That selects for twisted psychopaths because those are the men who get laid. I only advocate that people should respond in kind to their environment. I would certainly not be a part of the gene pool in such a "natural" environment. As to what one does, the bar is actually extraordinarily low. I advocate for a civilized society which places desirable prosocial memes (honesty, loyalty, self sacrifice, c…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 03:01 PM
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I don't follow your question. What am I doing about what, to what for what etc?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 02:42 PM
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This doesn't really have much to do with anything I said. At any rate if all you can say is that you throw up your hands and give in to nature then your protestations of sympathy carry no moral weight and you are an entity with no moral agency as it pertains to these issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 02:38 PM
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OP, your hypothetical has too many guarantees to be a useful gauge of the answers you've been given. It strips your hypothetical of nuance as well as prevents you from discerning the common deciding feature for respondents.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 02:30 PM
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The issue isn't the hard facts on the ground so much as that women are all saying they'd rather their male offspring be sacrificed on their altar of the morally ideal man than have those children experience a life worth living. If you have a choice (as in this hypothetical) between your child being a perennial homeless person and a person with a house and you justify making them homeless on the basis that other people deal with it too that's just an excuse to justify choosing your self aggrandiz…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 02:15 PM
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Precisely. Adam's shitty life may actually make him a horrible twisted person deep down, it just won't matter because he's psychologically impotent. People confuse harmlessness with goodness far too often.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 02:04 PM
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Yeah for real. The asshole's psychological issues are every bit as treatable. Depression is not magically less chronic than sociopathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 01:55 PM
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Neither examples' problems are wholly fixable. Adam will never look that good or be able to functionally heal his psychological wounds, only cope. Sociopaths and narcissism are about as treatable. Such people can cope with them well enough to become reasonable members of society.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 01:52 PM
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The issue is that your stance seems to outline your position on risk. Adam can never be a good and desirable man for the same reason he can never be a bad and undesirable man. He's incapable. Caleb could be either, but the fear of him being horrible seems to be motivated by high levels of risk aversion which for whatever reason lead to women choosing to raise sons who are morally and sexually neutered in order that their consequent harmlessness is a guarantee and not a choice. In my extensive ob…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 01:47 PM
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If Adam is incapable of acting poorly then that is a function of incapability in general. Adam is not capable of impacting the world positively nor is he moral, just incompetent and useless. If Caleb is capable of being a monster he is also capable of being an angel becasue that is a general function of his capability. From what I can tell you, women here fear the risk of a monster so much y'all would throw the whole person's life in the trash rather than give them the risky opportunity to be a …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 01:37 PM
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The odds of this guy earning enough is overwhelmingly small. It's like kicking your kid out at eighteen on the premise that they'll be okay cause they might win the lottery. That's a self aggrandizing excuse not a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 01:33 PM
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Adam doesn't have morals in this situation. If you aren't capable of doing bad things then you aren't choosing to be morally upstanding when you don't do those things. Adam isn't moral; he's just pathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 01:31 PM
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Neither is a good choice, but at least one choice gives those people a serious shot at a decent life. In the other there is no life. Sacrificing your child's future well being at the altar of your own idealized man is not a particularly upstanding thing to do. A more honest version of this hypothetical would ask you if you'd try to raise an Adam knowing this will cost him his future happiness or if you would risk the possibility of your child ending up a Caleb in order to leave the door for sati…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 12:36 PM
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Women will say they want Adam as a son, but if their loins chose Caleb as a partner then they ultimately chose little Caleb as a son.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 12:20 PM
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Dahmer was not satisfied with his life. He was a self loathing homosexual who was in some way disgusted by his proclivities and behaviors.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 12:15 PM
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For once your premise isn't mostly inane, and as such I more or less agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 06:19 PM
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I'm not saying you're lying, but you'll have to forgive me for finding that hard to believe 😅
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 03:17 AM
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Are you a woman or is this some sort of cosplay?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 03:00 AM
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Maybe results are relevant then. Seeing as conservatives are generally happier and healthier than progressives maybe it stands to reason that their approach is better at yielding the desired goal. As a side not, no, I don't the large majority of reddit is concerned with other people. Maybe the large majority of average joes sure, but not the people of reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 02:19 AM
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Investments always come with risks. The two aren't cleanly separable.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 09:21 PM
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Women are not men. And men aren't women. If you want to have a solipsistic relationship become a lesbian because if you cannot consider the feelings of the opposite sex you aren't cut out for heterosexual relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 01:19 PM
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Maybe I should clarify. "Those grievances" in my original comment referred to grievances about the horrible things that were said. Go reread it and see if you get my point now.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 07:03 PM
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No. You are one of the the worst users when it come to aggressively misreading. I don't give a shit about the horrible things women say about men. I do notice that women seem to care about the reverse more often and to a greater degree, and that's because you are conditioned by society to expect that your concerns are valid and will be heard to some degree or another. Men don't and won't experience that so instead they develop a thick skin and eventually find themselves wondering why women get s…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 07:01 PM
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If women were as simple as cats I'd be drowning in pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 06:56 PM
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Does it not bother you even a little when shitty women online say horrible things about average men like “men are trash” or “the bar is on the floor” or “kill all men” or “a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle” or whatever? As a woman you are used to being able to air those grievances and even have them taken seriously to some degree without being condemned from every corner of society. As a man the only places these grievance are treated seriously are so socially condmened they taint …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 06:16 PM
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Online gender wars might not be the place for you if needlessly cruel bullying upsets you so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 06:05 PM
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You understand data sets have "noise" in them yes?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 08:42 PM
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pooping my point We know your point has been pooped cause you clearly pulled it out of your ass. 🤣💩💩🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 06:51 PM
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No problem. 😅
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 11:27 PM
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I never said she would have loved what it became. I also never said incel culture created a normal or even healthy support group. Just that it is one. You've inferred all of that from a neutral statement of fact. Your complaint about my comment is the only disingenuous thing going on here as you've so eagerly shoved words in my mouth.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 03:05 PM
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No there is the oft cited and ultimately retracted study claiming that men abandon their wives when sick. That has nothing to do with this and more importantly it was retracted over a data error.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 03:01 PM
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And I'll raise you one. Take a peek in the rooms of the patients who recieve no visitors.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 02:59 PM
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Look at even recent history. There used to be tons of clubs that were male exclusive. Almost all of these are now co-ed. For God's sake the fucking Boy Scouts is co-ed now in spite of the fact that girls have their own sex exclusive organization in kind. These changes aren't organic. Men didn't suddenly one day decide they didn't want these spaces anymore and invite women in. Women's groups protested on feminist lines that "boy's clubs" were the root of all misogyny and oppression. They were "un…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 02:53 PM
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invisible nobodies Considering your recognition of this it should come as no surprise to you that a woman genuinely would not know what being a man is like.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 02:37 PM
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While this may be true you underestimate the length a society goes to in order to prevent men from having social networks through which they might access some of these things without having to go through an intimate romantic relationship. Furthermore this is done in order to increase women's social capital with men. Look at descriptions of pre Christian societies in the Middle East and Mediterranean. In their time men had strongly incentivized male-male bonds. A consequence of this is that women…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 02:23 PM
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Nobody cared so much that you have widely accepted mass socio-poltical movements to deal with those issues. How dastardly. Poor women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 02:15 PM
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Equating a paid job with the fulfillment of freely offered companionship is disingenuous at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 02:06 PM
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If you know about the history of the incel movement it was literally founded to be a support group. Go read about it and the woman who coined the term and created the movement.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 02:00 PM
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Unfortunately this is a lost notion. Our society fears "boy's clubs." In the eyes of a great many feminists allowing men to congregate together in the absence of women prevents the women from exerting control over those men's words, thoughts, and behaviors leading to "toxic masculinity." The notion of boy's anything is generally seen with the greatest degree of suspicion.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 06:15 PM
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Nice comeback 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 05:24 PM
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on the contrary, sexually desirable people have less reasons to lie because people will like them anyway This doesn't even remotely track. People don't calculate their percieved sexual desirability when they lie. People decide to lie based on how much more or less likeable the specific answer may make them appear. Both an attractive and unattractive person seem less likeable when they confess to unwanted sexual advances, touching, or intercourse. Both have motive to lie regardless of one startin…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 05:12 PM
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So your solution for male victims of sexual assault is to focus social concern and resources on the opposite group who's victimization already recieves the vast majority of social concern and resources? 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 04:49 PM
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They aren't. Generally the effects of social desirabiltiy bias are observed to skew toward women which is to say they are more likely to under report bad behavior or over report good behavior. It's a rather consistent finding so if anything social desirability would indicate that the discrepancy is even more skewed toward female perpetrators than the self report data shows.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 04:39 PM
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I assume the commenter is saying that the beta reads this as a green flag because she must be so into him for being wonderful, and then he plays white knight. Presumably an alpha either doesn't care or outright recognizes this as a serious red flag.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 08:58 PM
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Than why such concern with this topic if it isn't even really on your radar.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 07:32 PM
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Actually she can. Variety is more than just different looking bodies.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 07:27 PM
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I think this complaint cuts both ways. At any rate a lot of the men here are also trying to tell her she isn't doomed to be cheated on.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 07:26 PM
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I kind of agree and disagree with you. Most of what Redpill says about human nature is accurate however the conclusions and behaviors that are commonly peddled by people identifying with redpill aren't. For example I can have an inherent drive for sexual novelty without that being my behavioral archetype or concluding that I must unleash that drive. She should vet against the kind of conclusions you described, but human nature is human nature so we'd best understand it to become the best version…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 07:25 PM
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I know some Chads and lemme tell you even Chad is only pursuing a hedonistic lifestyle because he cannot find a woman worthy of his devotion.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 07:18 PM
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This is really the best answer. Avoiding cheating really depends on finding an honorable man who agrees to the relationship terms.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 07:09 PM
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You're too young to tie yourself in knots over this stuff. Go find a good man. Stop propagandizing yourself into believing that you'll inevitably be cheated on. You'll never guarantee that you won't be but there are many things you can do to reduce the risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 07:08 PM
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Monogomy in men is highly correlated with intelligence which itself is correlated more strongly with life success than any other single innate trait.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 07:04 PM
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Loans are given to people and the success of the loan is hardly given over time. In order to repay a loan one has to succeed with the money first. Banks vet for who is likely to successfully make good on the loan (for example loans aren't handed out for ahitty business ideas). You need to vet on who is likely to make good on a promise. Different criteria sure (and certainly not statistical) but the concept is the same. Like I said you want a principled man. Find one and make him understand the t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 06:55 PM
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He's definitely RP. Red pill is a collection of beliefs and assumptions about the fundamental nature of men and women. The conclusions people draw from that will vary. His takeaway from the red pill is about the same as mine. RP is defined by its fundamental assumptions not the conclusions people draw from those assumptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 06:51 PM
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Perhaps you glossed over my bankers analogy. Nothing prevents a man from taking a loan and not paying it back yet banks manage to consistently give out loans to qualified individuals who overwhelmingly pay that loan back. Vet men the way a bank vets loan applications or more simply put find men who keep their word. Once you've established that you get his word that he agrees to the exchange I outlined. It's not as if you aren't giving him what he wants so an honourable man has everything to gain…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 06:45 PM
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That doesn't track biologically. Men want sex because of the reproductive drive. The goal of reproduction is to create as many reproductively viable offspring as possible. The most effective outcomes for children come through monogomous relationships (meaning the greatest number reach reproductive viability). The most effective way to have a lot of viable children is with a young woman. It therefore follows that the most effective reproductive strategy is a monogomous long term relationship with…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 06:40 PM
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Also you're moving the goalposts. You didn't ask how to stop a guy from desiring variety. You asked how to stop him from acting on that by cheating or leaving a woman down the line. I answered that question.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 06:30 PM
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Most normal people have a desire for variety. You're confusing desire with action. Principles curb negative desires in men and prevent action on their basis. You want a man who agrees to the terms of the contract and understands what you are owed down the line. Before you offer that contract you need to find a man with upstanding moral principles. Let your family help you vet guys. As a young woman your apprehension is a much a product of inexperience as anything else. Your family (and close fri…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 06:29 PM
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Your view is too compartmentalized. It's natural to desire another yes. It's also natural to desire your partner's wellbeing and your relationship's stability (particularly if you have children). Society only puts its foot on the scale of biology to incentivize the correct choice. The question isn't whether you can find someone who is perfect. The question is when put to the test what do people stand for.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 06:17 PM
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I think that was his point. Constructing a stable relationship probably means we should understand our own nature and that of the opposite sex, but it doesn't necessarily mean we must be biological determinists.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 06:08 PM
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First of all find a man early who is preferably the same age as you. Secondly make sure he understands the terms and trade offs of the arrangement and that y'all are on the same page. A woman who gives her youth to a young man to build him up has in that moment given something of greater value to someone of lesser value. A man who gives his middle age (and importantly the associated resources and commitment) to a middle aged woman is also giving something of greater value to someone of lesser va…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 06:05 PM
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Those other features threaten the stability of the relationship. Because men and women are assymetrical to begin with they necessarily have assymetrical standards. The man must be in charge of his neurotic emotions because neuroticism is an imposition that destroys relationships. Women are already inherently neurotic to a greater degree than men so a man has little to no room to express his emotions. If he brings the level of negative emotion she does than the relationship will be swept away wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 05:38 PM
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Americans are so far removed from that which is traditional that they don't hate it so much as confuse it with some caricature that feminists draw up to prevent it from being experienced. I've never met a western woman who wouldn't entertain tradition who actually knew what it entailed. The harder their opposition the less they seemed to know about it and the more they thought they knew.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 05:20 PM
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If someone wants to adopt some parts but not all of a traditional lifestyle... so? The problem with the buffet style approach is it's a race to see who can adopt the traditional aspects that benefit them while leaving the sucky ones to the partner. The whole point of the traditional paradigm is to divide relationship responsibilities equally by asymmetric division (because assymetric divisions are more efficient). For example providing requires time outside the home and homemaking requires time …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 05:11 PM
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If you understood the theological differences between competing religious sects you'd understand that they declare each other apostates and heretica over small theological issues because they already agree on the big ones. The first major heresy in the Roman church was over a minor translation issue of the Nicaean Creed between west and east and a trivial question of whether the Son is co-eternal with the Father and the Holy Spirit. It is widely recognized that even most of the clergy at the tim…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 04:59 PM
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yes and the cost of that is men's mental health Not really. The cost on men's mental health is primarily a social malady. At any rate men are mentally healthier than women on average. when they study kids who do well in school vs the kids who do poorly in school, its the kids who are more comfortable that succeed. That's one of the reasons we give kids free school lunch where i come from, if your physical needs are met and you're comfortable, you can focus on learning. conversely when you are st…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 10:20 PM
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That's pretty generous. My observation would make me guess that eight five percent or more is posted in bad faith whether intentional or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 08:25 PM
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I think his question is precisely about the cult definition. I'd say the generic "girl's girl" or "man's man" is just somebody who enjoys their gender's stereotypical activities, possesses their stereotypical mannerisms and tends to have an easier time socializing with their own sex. That doesn't seem to be what the commenter is really asking or more precisely the label attached to the definition is less relevant than the definition itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 08:22 PM
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You've mistaken cost for benefit. By ignoring how something makes one feel we are more open to exploring ideas. It makes for way more intelligent and interesting conversations. Discomfort is at the root of the learning experience after all. What women do feels like babysitting a child by comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 08:12 PM
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Yes that's precisely it. It's this users primary MO.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 07:57 PM
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Easy answer. These are two different men. One who wants to be approached and a separate different one who feels emasculated.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 06:37 PM
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The whole idea of multi-mating strategies is that (take a deep breath folks)... there are multiple strategies one could pursue. I've read a fair bit in this sphere of literature and nobody denies that women are also evolved to select for pair bonding. What nobody in gender debates wants to do is take the literature holistically. Humans can be found engaging in all kinds of mating strategies depending on environmental circumstances (social or physical). We are the most sexually diverse species in…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 04:23 PM
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This is understandable in a young man with few experiences. If he does it more than three times he's either too stupid to see a pattern or unethical.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 04:08 PM
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Considering the real possibility that the Mona Lisa was originally a portrait of a man that was changed later, your attraction to it checks out. It still wasn't painted for that reason though.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 04:04 PM
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It just occured to me that you must be desperately horny.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 03:26 PM
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Pornography means depictions of prostitution. Pornography exists for the explicit sexual gratification of those who watch it in the same way prostitutes exist for that purpose. If you think that has anything to do with the Mona Lisa you are out of your fucking mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 03:25 PM
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Women's romance novels are to women what porn is to men. Neither are that diverse. They both follow a common formula and pick out of a narrow selection of tropes and archetypes. To suggest that such a genre has anywhere near the variance or depth of philosophical or scientific texts is utterly preposterous.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 02:50 PM
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Yeah college was a wake call for me on that front too. For sure educated women are much worse partners. They're less likely to get divorced because they pick from a better pool of men and have a better handle on how to avoid the consequences of their actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 08:02 PM
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Yes actually. Male friendships are defined by being largely devoid of expectation.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 07:29 PM
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I don’t care for this because then it makes me look like the controlling girlfriend, but this is something people of both sexes do because it’s just easier. This. I find people who do this disrespectful to their partners by making them look bad and disrespectful to their friends by being too chicken to just tell the truth. On another note though I see men do this way more often than women and truthfully I've noticed that the appearance of a controlling wife/gf is simply accepted by society in a …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 09:08 PM
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All relationships involve underlying leverage. The difference between a good and a bad one is how the people involved use it. Understanding is rare among people. If it were normal to characterize relationships as based on true understanding then loneliness wouldn't be such a ubiquitous and permanent feature of the human experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 10:16 PM
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Acts like what? I don't believe I described how anybody acts. I merely pointed out that I don't think understanding is reached through cross-sex friendships. Frankly it's to do with leverage. There is no obvious or short term benefit to a woman understanding a man and no real downside to her not understanding a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 08:35 PM
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Having not seen Mad Men (though passingly familiar) and already being a man myself please do spoil the patterns for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 08:17 PM
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To be honest I'm not really convinced that male-female friendships breed understanding of men in the women involved in them. If that were true then romantic relationships should be even more effective at creating this kind of understanding due to the inherent intimacy, but in my observation they don't. Normally the man must understand and the woman must accept for the relationship to work. Rarely do I see s different exchange.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 08:14 PM
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I expect it since given how women don't like analytical/smart guys, There is definitely a cultural component to this in the west. East asian women seem to actually like smart men. Notably their cultures don't have the jock/nerd bifurcation in quite the same way we do.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 05:59 PM
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Something sorely missed about the gender wars is just how much the incel world relies on feminist paradigms to draw its conclusions.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 05:19 PM
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Nah. You're putting words in my mouth when I specifically indicated that I agree rape is wrong, but thanks for reminding me that people here don't understand debate, logical reasoning, or how to read properly.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 07:18 PM
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No, it's not best to replace rape with sex because sex is legal, raping is not. "Forcing their desire to have sex with you" is rape. It is in fact best precisely because the desire to have sex with you doesn't become rape until force is applied ergo every man who wouldn't rape you is acting on your behalf by restraining their desire for your benefit. It's not to their benefit to not commit a crime? Sure, but only because it was to your benefit that such an act be deemed a crime with legal reperc…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 05:16 PM
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Didn't see your reply. My bad. think a guy not harassing me depends on me? No. I think you are the beneficiary though, which is what my statement implies. Whatever his motives are is irrelevant because even if his only interest is avoiding legal trouble it's palpable that society enforces such legal restrictions on your behalf. By transitive property following legal restrictions which benefit a party is acting on behalf of that party via coercion by threat of violence. So if a man is running aro…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 04:44 PM
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Being in a relationship involves actions undertaken on one's behalf by a person external to the self. Being safe from harassment and assault involves actions undertaken on one's behalf by a person external to the self. To expect either is to feel "entitled" to another person. The only difference is what specific part of the person you feel "entitled" to. As you said, in both the case of the relationship and a woman's safety, one's sense of what should be holds no guarantee of what is or will be.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 09:12 PM
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You nailed it dude. Functioning societies are defined by individuals who think along the lines of "what we owe one another" not "what we are owed by another." Duty is essential.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 08:35 PM
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Generally speaking a woman's demand for safety require voluntary cooperation and involvement from other people too. Your question applies equally to OP's point of comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 08:33 PM
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Not a good one though. Let us consider the premise that one should do the greatest amount of good for the greatest number of people. The number of people in one directional abusive relationships is insignificant in the grand scheme of abuse (most relationships are mutually dysfunctional). The number who would fall through the cracks of the system would be still fewer. On the other hand the consequence of widespread broken homes is deleterious for an entire generation and the impact only compound…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 08:51 PM
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No. Restrictions are a necessity for a functioning civilization. Restrictions must either be self imposed or externally imposed. A functioning adult moderates their own behavior. A child must have temperance imposed on them. A government sets itself up according to whether individuals willingly behave with temperance or not. If you are asking my opinion on divorce it should be severely restricted by the government and stigmatized by society, but serious exceptions may still justify it. So long a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 08:23 PM
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Freedom is dependent on the willingness of the collective individual to more or less place limitations on themself. We call this responsibility and it enables freedom. What you are calling freedom is anarchist in nature. At any rate explore the concept of the golden mean. Nothing is an unerring good when taken beyond moderation (which you call oppression), freedom included.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 07:55 PM
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You can live in an orderly stable system with restrictions or live in a disorderly unstable system without restrictions. Empirically the orderly societies outcompete and extinguish the disorderly ones so feel free to select yourself and your culture out of existence.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 07:49 PM
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From Christian Rome til the renaissance divorce more or less didn't exist. That's over a thousand years. Furthermore it was so negatively incentivized it was essentially confined to the wealthy until the last hundred and fifty years. Most of history is characterized by low divorce rates and large chunks by a categorical ban on divorce altogether. If your argument is that divorce is inevitable and therefore not worth creating barriers to then you are demonstrably wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 07:46 PM
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Lmfao 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 07:21 PM
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Agreed. This is absolutely true. The difference however is that traditional women offer something men actually want besides pussy where modern women don't. Basically a man looks at the two as a high end luxury at a high end luxury price and, low end product also at a high end luxury price. Obviously the low quality product is overpriced if it is being sold for the same price as a high quality item. Hence the complaints about modern womens' high standards that you don't see directed at traditiona…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 06:19 PM
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No, I understand the point you were making about the practicality of fighting divorce culture as it pertains to our immediate place in time and space (shithole modern western societies), but her conjecture was that divorce is an inevitable feature of reality when evidence mostly points to the contrary. Anybody who believes that because something that was and is not any longer will never be again has not spent much time with a history book.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 06:02 PM
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You already won. I am the one fighting from the losing position. Enjoy. The right counterargument is that divorce basically didn't exist for most of western history on account of the very systemic features you've argued for. Divorce is ane easier wrong to dispense with broadly than either rape or poverty.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 05:56 PM
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For men marriage is a prison. Even if the contract is dissolved he is still legally obligated to the woman for her contractual benefit even as the contract ceases to (or arguably never) benefits him. Men want women to be in the same boat as them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 05:54 PM
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Number three is actually not very good advice. Often times couple's relationships are not all that once you get to look under the hood. Also people who have the longest successful relationships tend to have paired up early. That means their experience is limited and dated. Unfortunately most people in LTRs don't offer good advice for these reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 06:43 PM
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Oh sure. That's why I asked if it comes from a language heavy in metaphor. Such languages are often considered poetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/24 11:32 PM
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I was thinking machine translated from a Japanese ai porn bot.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/24 08:50 PM
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I have never heard a vagina referred to as "a comfortable vending machine for souls." Did you use a translation machine to get an English version of whatever language you originally wrote this in? Does your native language rely on lots of metaphors? Because that line sounds like poorly translated hentai dialogue.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/24 08:42 PM
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She doesn't have a point just a bundle of anxieties which create tunnel vision that negatively loops back into her anxiety.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/24 12:54 PM
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Well then it's a good thing nobody anywhere has ever interacted with men. You only interact with a man, singular. Your cherry picked collection of uncharitable views from men, and your false equivalency to the kind of complaints men have about women are pretty far detached from a great many individual men. As an example notice how most of the men in this very thread who looked at those photos of women which you insisted they would hate actually said they were good enough looking. You're hurt and…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 09:49 PM
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No, you're repeating what you hear which is not the same as having listened to what was said. Notably you proved my point by honing in on the one thing that confirms your prefab view while ignoring literally everything else I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 06:36 PM
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An answer has more substance than that lest there be nothing to actually debate about it. What you offered lends itself to a no, yes, no, yes exchange which is only a worthy debate for an anemic toddler. And no we aren't debating your answer. We are now debating whether you actually contributed anything useful to this thread. The answer to that is no. Hard and fast. Anyway you've answered all my questions so I think we're done here.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 05:56 PM
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I gotta ask. What is your deal? Do you have bad past experiences with men? Do you identify as a subpar woman? Are you just incredibly anxious from being inundated with all the cruel standards the opposite sex has for you? Like what exactly is it? You aren't really being rational nor are you trying to genuinely debate with an open mind. It seems like you want to shove men into a prefabricated box that you made to fit us, but you didn't get the dimensions quite right. What's something that would m…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 05:44 PM
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If they expect me to be te ever performing slave-clown living a lifestyle I have no interest in just to not be alone then "attractive to me" is not negotiable This is really the big kicker isn't it. Once a guy puts in the work to improve his situation it's unrealistic to expect him to settle for less than average rather than looking for his own value back. Which guys say yes or no to this prompt probably has a tremendous amount to do with where they are at in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 05:37 PM
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That was pretty clear from your original comment. Furthermore while this is indeed a debate sub you offered the OP neither advice nor anything of substance to debate. Many of you ladies here seem to really enjoy outing yourself as schadenfreude seeking trolls.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 05:09 PM
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Is it really that stupid? For some people it is over. It might be useful to know which you are. At any rate if you believe that it's indicative of a mindset problem then talking to people the way you do is not going to help the kind of person who is experiencing that mental struggle.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 05:01 PM
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The people that come to defend the blue pill in moments like this are boomers that married their HS sweethearts back in 1985. Imagine the difficulty of having to be raised as a man by people like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 09:50 PM
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Why exactly is that? Is it because men don't realize the problem early enough to begin asking questions before it's too late?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 09:30 PM
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The debate stems from the premise proposed by the first comment down from your original comment. The premise of debate is whether or not women have diverse or monolithic physical queues for desire. Proof of your claim might include examples with pictures of everyone involved and an accounting of other relevant attraction factors. In other words yes you need to prove that men who aren't conventionally physically attractive are successful with women because those women actually desire them physica…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 10:00 PM
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Pictures of him. Details about his job, lifestyle and personality. Pictures of the women he is or has been with and information about them as well. If you want me to judge your anecdotes then I need all the relevant information to do it. Frankly however I'm not entirely comfortable asking for that information. I'm not so interested in violating people's privacy or even that invested in the core premise of this debate (whether women's physical attraction is monolithic or not). I'm interested in g…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 09:48 PM
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Like I said, I completely understand why women wouldn't want to provide that proof nor am I requesting it, but yes that would constitute real proof. Celebrities do not for obvious reasons, and subjectively related anecdotes don't really hold a lot of water in debate. Basically pictures of all the people involved as well as a verbal portrait of the individuals in question (who they are, what they do, how they met etc.). Again, I'm not asking just pointing out flaws in the line of argumentation. M…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 09:08 PM
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I cannot speak to how often that is or isn't true. I can only say that in the forum of debate nobody wants to produce evidence that can be collectively judged, and one person's subjective opinion that her girlfriends are all hot pieces of ass and their guys are kinda "meh" simply does not constitute anything which a serious argument can base itself upon.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 09:02 PM
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The onus is on you to provide evidence for your claim. The only onus on me is to accept the argument or point out flaws in the argument. If your argument is that those who look like these people but who aren't toting around an abundance of social and financial capital do well with women then that is at least a feasible claim. Unfortunately it is not yet an argument because there is still no proof. The onus to provide that proof remains on whomever makes that claim. Understand that whoever listen…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 08:57 PM
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See that's a more sensible claim. The next part of an actual argument is the proof though. Somebody has to substantiate that men with unconventional looks (and to be fair some of those examples are actually conventional anyway) who also don't have any credible money or status with which to pull women are actually doing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 08:16 PM
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If the argument being made is that women have diverse physical preferences then examples of men who have such an abundance of social value that they can collect women left and right with or without obvious physical attraction don't constitute good proof of women's physical preferences so much as good proof of their social preferences. Either improve the argument or find a new line of attack.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 08:10 PM
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Exactly correct, but you see when you wish to make an argument the onus is on you to bring compelling and accessible proof. Seeing as social status is an immediate qualifier for attracting the sexual attention of women obviously famous men are ruled out as examples in the physical attraction debate. You do understand that no? As for personal examples they are as valid as you are willing to provide proof. I do however completely understand why women don't want to do a whole case report while comp…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 07:52 PM
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What do you actually know about homeless women on crack? You might be surprised to find that they too often have better options than the incels you hear from here.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 07:42 PM
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For obvious reasons no it does not. Women's subjective ratings of themselves and their friends as well as their ratings of the men they are interested in/with are not going to be seen as terribly reliable. Understandably you are going to read this and wonder, "what evidence would be considered valid?" The answer would be verifiable evidence which is hard work to provide. It's understandable that you wouldn't want to bother, and it's understandable that you won't be seen as advancing a compelling…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 07:35 PM
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You missed the other point. Money and Social proof (money is just a form of social proof anyway). Women are very easily influenced by social status queues. Essentially these kind of men are "hot" because they are popular and would cease to be the minute they lose that status. I've heard countless women make the argument you made. Without exception the examples offered are all high status men. Like I said, no man is shocked that women go for high status men. Next you'll be saying Warren Buffet is…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 07:19 PM
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There are so many men that don’t fit that aesthetic that women get obsessed with And notably all of the ones you named were wealthy, status possessing, successful celebrities. Trust me, it's no secret to men that women like money and social cred.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 07:05 PM
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He's trolling you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 10:38 PM
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Google it. You redditors are so lazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 07:17 PM
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Evidence actually suggests the average looking ones are more promiscuous than the highly attractive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 05:39 PM
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What personal attack?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 12:39 PM
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The only unreasonable assumption is to assume that men can be broadly fit into one pattern of behavior. Now don't get me wrong I'm not saying that people are all unique butterflies, but in any group there will be more than one salient subgroup which exemplifies predictable behavioral tropes. Running through women is one of those behavioral tropes belonging to one of those subgroups. Seeking a loving partnership is another. An intelligent person can come up with a multiplicity of possible subgrou…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 09:45 PM
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That's a terrible argument. Some people get defrauded of their retirement savings. It happens to many. If you look at that group in depth though you'll find some got defrauded once by what appeared to be an up and up investor and others got taken by foolish scams (Nigerian prince, indian telemarketer scam, etc) on more than one occasion. The latter cannot argue that they have no personal problem with gullibility on account of being sorted into the box of fraud victims with the former. You should…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 09:36 PM
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a) "A guy" (singular) does not equal "men" (plural). b) That's only the purpose of a slave society. A just society doesn't foist social and material burdens onto parties that aren't responsible for the issue. In a slave society however the elites do as they please and the lower classes clean up the mess. To be clear there are no civilized societies which require men to take responsibility for unrelated children. Ironically to your point about barbarism the only societies which practice forced pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 09:27 PM
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No he is saying that if men in your life have a pattern of leaving you specifically then you have a problem which requires you to engage in introspection about yourself. That's why he prefaced his statement by saying he wasn't trying to be mean. Other womens' experiences have nothing to do with what he said to you. I don't know what the hell is going on in this sub, but you ladies in PPD have some of the worst reading comprehension I have ever seen outside of a poorly funded elementary school.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 08:43 PM
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Some do and some don't. To make a blanket assumption as if a plurality of explanations don't exist is not normally a sign of a serious thinker.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 08:38 PM
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There's a big difference between becoming number two to your own kid and beginning as number two to another man's kid.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 07:56 PM
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Those aren't the same thing. If you think the only use for a man's options is to run them through then you lack imagination.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 07:54 PM
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He meant it's either a pattern or an outlier in your personal life that men run away to be with women who are stereotypically seen as less desirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 07:52 PM
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Men don't hate helping children. They hate it when women try and foist social and material responsibility onto them for children that aren't there own. Women frequently make bad choices which have severely negative future implications for the children they bring into the world and then want to pretend like the man who refuses to bail out the woman with another guy's kid is the bad one who doesn't care about the wellbeing of children. If women care about the wellbeing of their children then they …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 07:48 PM
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Genuine love requires you to know that person because if someone only likes the idea of you they don’t love you. The stark odds against a man ever receiving genuine love from a woman is why many of them settle for the mere pursuit of sex. Men pursue transactional relations not because they don't love themselves, but because women don't and won't (or arguably can't) genuinely love them and yet for the man the practical need for a woman's utility remains.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 05:07 PM
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You asked why a man would want to be with a woman who loves the idea she has of him rather than him as a real person. My point is that women don't fall in love with men only ideas. The option for the man who doesn't want to be loved as an idea is to be alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 10:32 PM
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Yes, I'm well aware what you meant, and my response was written as if that's what you meant. My point still stands
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 10:30 PM
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The last one isn't about an argument where the women has been accused of wrongdoing which she believes to be false. It actually doesn't even need to be about anything she did or was involved in to any degree. The situation is simply one where the man has been negatively impacted by something (anything at all) in a way that makes him feel badly, and when he tries to discuss it the woman makes it about how badly she feels on his behalf. In the end the man ends up comforting the girlfriend/wife ove…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 10:22 PM
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If you were a man who was starkly honest then you would understand from experience that for most women genuine love actually isn't possible for exactly the reason you just stated. Women love the idea they have of a man, not the man himself. At any rate for most your statement is a catch 22. If women never like the content of any reveal than it's merely a matter of the transitive property that they don't like real intimacy or honesty.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 09:28 PM
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Most women fall in love with their fantasy idea of who a man is and not the man himself. Men fall in love with bodies not women and women fall in love with idealization not men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 09:23 PM
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Safety is low on the list of male priorities compared to women. Men make themselves safe. Human's look to recieve from a partner what they which the partner possesses and they don't. Men have safety already and women are unequipped to provide it anyhow. You should try perspective taking if you want to seriously discuss gender dynamics and sex differences because right now you are insisting on applying your own subjective (and sex based) view of relationships to those it isn't relevant to. It mak…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 09:21 PM
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Yes we agree about single mother households. I am adding the point that this extends to dual parent households in which the mother is the primary authority figure while the man abdicates his authority as well as the responsibility to be a masculine role model which that entails. I'd stress that the feature of the dysfunctional mother which is nearly ubiquitous among single mothers could be more broadly seen as the issue which stems from female led households writ large. To be straightforward the…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 07:45 PM
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Only when they choose to step up to the plate. You will find households where the father is present but remains largely uninvolved and shirks his paternal duties. These households spit out only marginally better outcomes than single mother households.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 06:42 PM
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This is an old post at this point, but I have an explanation for this problem. Biologically speaking boys tend to lose respect for female authority figures around age eight in favor of seeking out an older male authority to emulate on the path to manhood (for obvious reasons a boy has no desire to grow into a woman). Around this age mothers will begin to face severe challenges disciplining and controlling the son. The solution the female authority figure tends to settle on in the absence of an i…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 06:40 PM
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I knew some men raised in those circumstances and it didn't work out so well for them. They tended to struggle with both genders socially speaking. Women were polite but unattracted, and they struggled to fit into male dominance hierarchies and gain same sex peer acceptance for reasons I believe had to do with being raised to operate in female ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 06:28 PM
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Honestly nobody would believe her. I'm confident my character speaks for itself and hers for herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 02:01 AM
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I consider myself to be a man of civilization and as such monogomous, non-promiscuous and oriented towards family values. This means I'm more concerned with relationships and their necessary compatibility than just fucking and should a woman fall short I don't even bother pursuing the sex. The idea that it might be a risk never crossed my mind. I was much more concerned with having to speak on a consistent basis to someone who makes me roll my eyes and desire to tear out my hair. To put it simpl…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 01:43 AM
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While this term is controversial today it was not yet co-opted by the political right and at the time was still being self applied as a badge of honor. Classic woke nonesense from a girl who had not even the slightest grasp of scientific concepts, literature, art or philosophy. Essentially ignorance of the greatest kind from a particular perspective. The biggest turnoff was her need to harass people (decent ones who I knew) who had differing beliefs and to vindictively malign them toward others.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 01:27 AM
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I got asked to be the bull in some attractive girl's relationship and gave her the cold shoulder. On another occasion I met a cute younger girl I thought I would like and then she opened her mouth and spewed out some of the most moronic drivel I've ever heard. I stopped talking to her after that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 09:55 PM
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Well you're talking to one. 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 09:52 PM
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Yes I have known men like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 09:48 PM
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Yes, I recognize men see stability and love as the losing equation compared to wild sex and insanity. Do I think these men are smart? No. This is gross hyperbole. Men object to the bifurcation itself and settle for wild sex and insanity in lieu of an available holistic package. Both > Sex > Stability because stabilty can be achieved on one's own without any price. You need a different shorthand not because your identification of stability versus fun is wrong but because the bux component of the …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 07:40 PM
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I'll give you this one. I'm well aware some men do this. Your use of the AF/BB terminology threw me off because it has a specific meaning. Maybe you should come up with a different short hand for it. I would also add that in general it's the woman who is for sex that is seen as the loser in this game which is the reverse of the male bifurcation.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 07:29 PM
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Cause all the men out there wifing up wealthier women to support their lifestyles. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 07:12 PM
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You sound like a resentful sociopath.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 07:05 PM
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I think the problem is assuming that all the men complaining are engaged in a double standard. Some assuredly are, but one should make discerning distinctions and absent the requisite information to do so at least be aware that we cannot all be sorted into the hypocrite category.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 07:02 PM
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For this to be true you would have had to have a point rather than an empty insult.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 08:27 PM
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All exertion of emotional energy is emotional labor by definition. Technical jargon is to be used denotationally rather than connotationally. At any rate if you're hung up on that term then you probably missed the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 08:23 PM
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That's the fruit of the one holistic absolute transaction. Analyze the aspects of true love through the lense of transactionality and you'll find that true love is borne out of mutual "good business ethics." As an aside I said subtext not subject.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 05:54 PM
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That term is definitional. I also find it easy enough to do for people who aren't total pricks. Nevertheless you completely glossed over my core point which is that even kind people will stake out hard rhetorical positions when confronted with transactional entitlement rather than the spirit of reciprocity.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 04:41 PM
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Oh I very much understand what that subreddit is for and why his story elicited such a response and furthermore agree with you about how one should carefully interact with that sub or better yet not interact at all. Nevertheless it's somewhat ironic that I'm the one extending kindness in lieu of condemnatory judgement by suggesting that not every person (especially the kind of insecure people on AITA) is wise enough to write a deposition about a general story they wish to relate for feedback. To…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 04:38 PM
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I'm not convinced all of them are that mean in real life so much as annoyed that people feel entitled to their emotional labor. I'd personally handle this kind of thing with decorum and consideration, but internet strangers pretending that I'm paying some sort of owed debt rather than giving something of myself would piss me off enough to stake out some hard rhetoric on the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 04:31 PM
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she isn’t the AH Does pitching a fit when one doesn't get what they want not make someone an asshole? She did call him names after the rejection.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 04:19 PM
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Sure, but that's the arrangement they made. I don't go to a restaurant and then complain that the friendly wait staff don't want to hang with me outside of the transactional business setting.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 04:17 PM
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I didn't say that's the most optimal way to seek judgement from the internet, or that he was definitely polite. We simply don't know. I'm just suggesting that we aren't necessarily inclined to think about the feelings of internet commenters who want to project onto our situation the same way we might be inclined to consider the feelings of someone right in front of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 04:11 PM
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Off topic but the subtext of the disney romance is he gets all the pussy and she gets all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 04:07 PM
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Perhaps but sometimes we relate stories to unaffected third parties in more blunt terms than we used during the actual interaction. Politeness is wordy, and that's work which is worth putting in for someone whose feelings are on the line. Outside commenters don't qualify.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 04:04 PM
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Yes without a doubt.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 07:24 PM
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I refuse to believe all men are that immoral. Some men don't like hookup culture because it hurts people. There has to be some men who are concerned about this. We exist and we are.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 01:09 AM
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I've been invited to participate in such practices before. I rejected them because I despise hookup culture. I'm a man of civilization and thus monogomous. No offer has ever swayed me otherwise. Square that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 12:54 AM
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If a woman is decent but couldn’t find the one she loves in her college years, then chances are it wasn’t her time and she can still find someone even when she’s older, because guess what, she doesn’t stop being human. Yes that's true, but it can get more difficult for a variety of reasons which extend beyond fertility. Older women are often more bitter. Older women are often in a rush to have a family when a man wants to build a more solid relationship foundation first. Older women have a lower…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 03:32 PM
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You think fertility is what I talk about with women I date? Do you think any guy does that? Let me be clear, we don't. We pick women who seem fertile and talk to them to see if we have any compatibility to form a deeper human connection (or to just fuck if one is a fuckboy). This is a subreddit for discussing gender and sex dynamics. I'd think this is one of the few places we can have "breeding talk" as you put it and discuss that in a mature way. Also I'd be remiss not to add. My interest in ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 04:30 PM
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I'm not trying to argue with you about pareto distributions (though the pareto principle is well established independent of dating). I'm also not arguing on the basis of dating app statistics which should neither be summarily dismissed nor taken at face value. My point is specifically abouy the interaction with men which you complained about. I personally know almost no men successful or otherwise who haven't experienced the issue of not fitting nicely enough into the alpha box. When you show up…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 04:13 PM
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You. It’s one of the most important things you care about. In the wild you'll find more men than not who care. Bear in mind though that I said one of. as long as I’m on the same page with my partner that they too haven’t been promiscuous I agree that double standards are undesirable. As a man I don't partake in the double standard. I don’t need to put them on some purity hierarchy on a strictly numerical status To me n count is a soft measure rather than a hard one. I don't have a specific numbe…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 04:02 PM
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All of this is still incorrect. If you want to believe something which will be rolled back in the ensuing decades as more study of wild bonobos happens (most studies happen in captivity) I'm not gonna convince you otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 10:48 PM
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Wrong. They aren't much more peaceful and they certainly aren't egalitarian. They tend to trade physical violence and dominance displays for sexual ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 10:43 PM
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Much less violence, bigotry and hierarchy. All wrong. Go read a book by an actual expert on bonobos who has studied them in the wild.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 10:40 PM
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Then enjoy the extinction event. Bonobos can only survive in their niche when they don't have to compete with the more advantaged chimps. A giant river makes their existence possible. Also enjoy the rape. Bonobos are rapey as fuck. Human societies that most resemble bonobo socio-sexual hierarchies have limited or no conception of consent. Every fetishization of bonobos is a product of pop primatology/sexology that ignores the actual scientific literature on the topic. Before Jane Goodall people …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 10:31 PM
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Same here. If I listed my friends from most to least misogynistic and then from most to least successful with women they are basically the same list.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 08:36 PM
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Ah yes. We can determine macro trends by just looking at our family and acquaintances. /s You're foolish obstinance and lack of critical thought is tiresome. Good day.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 08:28 PM
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My dad didn’t date my mum because “muh fertility.” He wanted a family. That’s different. Yes and no. Wanting a family inherently ties into fertility so in one sense it's the same. On the other hand a family includes much more than just fertility. Basically the family man and the hypersexual douche are both equally invested in fertility because all men care about that. Maybe spend less time contemplating men's biology and instead seek men who have built some more complex structure and world view …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 06:18 PM
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The question is desirable for what? There are a lot of desires men wish to vent on women which y'all tend not to want.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 06:11 PM
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25-30 year olds who had 1-2 partners in a committed relationship and tried to make but it didn’t work out for a reason or another. I'm pretty sure most guys are much more forgiving of women who've pursued real relationships and simply had them not work out. Obviously if she was the reason they didn't work that's different, but you just described the general context of female sexual behavior which men tend not to be judgmental about.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 06:08 PM
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they get salty and insist that yes yes it’s most women who prefer the clear cut archetypical alpha male It reflects their experiences and observations of women. They get mad because what they hear when women say "not most women," "we're all different," etc is "your life experience and all those experiences of countless men who have commiserated with you are false and therefore less than worthless." That's why men always tell you that your personal example doesn't disprove a broader trend. You di…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 06:05 PM
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Think of men's assumptions like this. You're past sexual behavior is something we can never know for sure even as it is one of the most important things we care about. Combine that with prevalent belief that men have no right to know information they deem important for a relationship (ie women lying about it), and this means we have to use crude heuristics to determine your sexual past. Obviously there are the particular character traits of the woman herself which indicate a likely promiscuous p…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 05:39 PM
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Not sure what you find funny about that word, but hey laughter is medicine for the soul so you're welcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 05:23 PM
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That has nothing to do with superficiality. I don't date solely on skin quality criteria. You however stated that a woman at thirty three looks the same as a woman at twenty seven. I'm telling you that you're wrong. I can almost always guess which women are above or under thirty based on skin. Why do you think skin care products and cosmetics are all the rage with women? It's because it can disguise the first and most obvious sign of age. The thing is that you can't be done up in makeup all the …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 05:16 PM
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You're twenty four. You haven't aged out. You have a lot of time left. Date with a sense of purpose, but understand you have the space to allow a relationship to bloom organically. The purposeful part is for the vetting. Aim high (within reason, in your league), but once you get your foot in the door with a decent man that's when you have to submit to the organic process. If you play your cards right you are at a stage where you can give a man everything he wants. Pick well and you'll never have…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 05:06 PM
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No. Some of us don't. A person is only has a much worth as the worth of their values. My values stand above all else. I cannot be bought.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 05:01 PM
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The skin tells all. I can tell whether most women are over or under thirty based on their skin. It's almost subconscious. It took me years to figure out why the "hot" older woman turned me on less than the "less hot" younger woman. We notice the difference at the most basic level.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 04:59 PM
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The bigger problem with elderly childrearing are the social complications that come with older parents. For brevities sake I won't explain in depth, but there is a lot of psychological literature on how older parents tend to damage their offspring via the parenting mechanisms that "too old" parents tend to gravitate toward. The point to remember is that the biology argument is a distraction. Even if a woman has a healthy kid in her late thirties she is unlikely to raise it well.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 04:52 PM
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Yes, but generally for sexual desirability. I dated one once and it took me only three months to nope the fuck outta there.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 03:39 PM
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This is the most realistic answer here.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 04:28 PM
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If your logic can be reapplied to justify a ridiculous idea then your logic sucks. It's called argumentum ad absurdum. It might behoove you to learn something about rhetoric and formal logic. Until then stay stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 03:54 PM
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Perhaps, but what exactly is wrong with this particular statement? It seems to be a spot on observation about acceptable shaming in modern western societies. One is only wrong on account of the evidence. That they are otherwise deranged has little bearing on the external veracity of any claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 03:22 PM
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So you think a women aging should get a pass because other women age too? That's ridiculous. Next you'll be saying criminals from high crime communities deserve a pass because most of the kids there fall into crime. Clown logic persuades nobody.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 03:19 PM
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This post is so tone deaf and devoid of genuine self awareness that it sounds like you just describing yourself. Maybe there is a reason "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep" speaks to you so much...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 09:36 PM
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It applies to men too actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 06:24 PM
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Studies tend to show that women do generally judge both manwhores and virgins harshly for long term relationships. What you are talking about is already a reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 06:22 PM
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If you say something like "slut is good for sex but nit commitment" you are also slut because you are open to casual sex. It's possible to intuitively understand that there are two lanes and still pick just one for yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 06:20 PM
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What if I told you it is said that Leonardo da Vinci liked and studied astrology along with all the other subjects that interested him? Would that discredit all his work? Astrology is one of many ideas considered scientific in it's time which subsequent knowledge disproves or renders highly unlikely at best. Sir Issac Newton was an alchemist. Aristotle thought the laws of physics could be determine without empirical evidence. Believing one crazy thing doesn't discredit something intelligent or c…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 09:54 PM
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Astrology is kind of dumb on the basis of rational thought. Calling a spade a spade is quite rational. Crying about that spade is not. In fact it only invites further badgering. I personally judge the validity of someone's religion, traditions, or superstitions based on rational criteria. Many religions and cultural traditions pass the bar. Astrology does not unless it's taken very loosely.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 08:57 PM
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You may notice that I'm one of the ones who didn't jump on her. I'm just explaining what the fuck is going on here since she seems befuddled by it. At any rate the way some of y'all get so bent out of shape about something so trivial does amuse me so thanks for the laugh 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 08:07 PM
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You said no one answered your question so here it is. I asked why you’re a f*cking jackass making fun of someone just because you have different opinions Because your batshit opinions do tell us about who you are. In your personal case it includes the other heavily correlated mental conditions and obnoxious interests that stereotypically come with astrology and to a much lesser extent Swift. So, yes your tastes are enough to judge you by, and you've been found wanting. The reason the guy is a ja…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 03:36 PM
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Have you not noticed that the men in question state their desire to avoid girls like that? Your stance sounds like a no win situation. He tells her she's full of shit and he's a loser who cockblocked himself. He tells her what she wants to hear to fuck her and he's a manipulative douchebag. I'll err on the side of authenticity cause I have self respect and am not a desperate simp thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 03:27 PM
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They are actually. They are just clowning her harder because she opened with her vulnerability on her sleeve. That's a shark smells blood moment.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 03:21 PM
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You're asking for it. You made a post about people not responding well to your interests and then listed several stupid interests while screaming to the world how much it bothers you when people tell you those interests are stupid. When dealing with men never reveal your vulnerability and always couch your statements as general concepts and trends to be explored. Men are sharks and you showed up here like a bleeding, thrashing fish. What exactly did you think would happen?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 03:04 PM
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Your post is a few days old, but If you want some more data points for your "mommy issues" theory here's one. I've never been close to my mother. Never once have I ever felt loved by her or love toward her. I believe I was eight when I realized I hated her. Having heard stories of myself as a baby, and knowing what I know about infant attachment I'm pretty sure that bond has been broken from day one. My mother did very little menial labor for me with two exceptions, laundry and driving. She is a…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 09:46 PM
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A lot of psychological data on hierarchies and each genders tendency to be kind and considerate toward those beneath them in the hierarchy shows that on average men become more pro social as they rise and wome become less so. There is a reason it was easy to convince the French peasantry that Marie Antoinette said, "let them eat cake." It's because that is the generic attitude the powerful woman takes toward the weak.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 05:18 PM
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I prefer to treat them like they are just dumb. It's generally polite to give people the benefit of the doubt that they are the less terrible of those two things.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 05:11 PM
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I have a collection of friends which includes the so called normal guys in committed relationships and marriages. Ppor relational harmony and starfish fucking is something I get to hear about quite a bit from these guys. It appears to be more the norm than not.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 03:58 PM
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Saying men were a mover for the sexual revolution because they wanted to reap the sexual reward is like saying big corporations care about providing asylum to migrants when they are just poised to take advantage of a labor source created off the back of someone else's desires. Men are parasites and enablers when it comes to the sexual revolution.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 03:26 PM
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Sounds like someone hit a nerve...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 02:42 PM
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You people always make personal assumptions about the nature of people's conclusions. I've done just fine for myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 06:14 AM
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The concept is male alienation from sexuality. Consider the concept broad with the ability to be dialed up or down in magnitude like the volume of a radio. The guy you were originally talking to was being a drama queen talking about sterilization. Essentially he dialed the idea up to eleven. I'd say your suggestion is about a six for sexual alienation. At any rate you've made a lot of erroneous, hostile and ad hominem assumptions about me. I'm just pointing out that conceptually there's somethin…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 05:38 PM
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The industry is filled with useless and incompetent charlatans. Ironically there are some really good ones too, but finding them is a time consuming and prohibitively expensive process.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 05:00 PM
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The problem is the timeline. Guys who need help, have already passed the deadline to get their shit together in a timely enough fashion to make their goals a reality. It's the right amount of work if you get started early. If you get started early you won't ever register a problem. Alternatively you'll start to work hard later, society will leech off your productivity, and before you know it you'll be over forty and used up with nothing to show for it. If you aren't where you need to be by thirt…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 04:56 PM
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Even better than meta analysis. Umbrella analysis, which is an analysis of a all available meta analyses and individual studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 04:50 PM
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Peer review actually makes it worse. It enables institutional group think, and editors of journals who have conflicts of interest can decide what papers are even allowed to be reviewed. You think the work I spent my career on is bogus and here's why? Fuck that, no publication for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 04:49 PM
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Are you making a Fight Club reference? 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 04:45 PM
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I've had the same problem with the medical system for both mental and physical health. Good professionals are a needle in a haystack, and it's prohibitively expensive to keep searching. I had a medical condition that required early treatment to have any chance of reversal, and none of the doctors I saw in that timeframes would even take me seriously. All I got was a bunch of bills and then had to live with the outcome as if I'd never seen a doctor.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 04:40 PM
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It's an exaggeration, but to be fair it is conceptually similar.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 04:35 PM
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I just want to add that your inability to admit that this looks bad on your part, even if there be no deeper impropriety, adds to the level of concern.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 05:04 AM
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Whether you have or not is irrelevant when you make statements endorsing behavior which is against the rules of the sub. Those with power are held to a higher standard than those without. It's important that those of us you moderate can have faith in your ability to impartially enforce rules. This faith is undermined when you openly endorse the belief that such rules shouldn't apply to certain people you moderate who don't share your beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 05:02 AM
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Unfortunately you've backed yourself into a corner. Stating that the letter of the law forces you to behave according to rules you explicitly disagree with is concerning when you are in a position of power. It's illegal to engage in racially discriminatory policing, yet racist cops still exist. Ones who say it out loud get fired. While a reddit moderator is not at this magnitude it is conceptually the same issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 04:59 AM
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If you don't believe in the rules then the participants here have no reason to believe that you are capable of the kind of impartial enforcement required of your position. If this is your opinion, that's fine, but should have been kept to yourself. Your position here demands greater responsibility than this comment shows, and your credibility as a moderator is now suspect. You aren't just some chump commenting on the rules here you know.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 04:48 AM
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You indicated its acceptability in explicit terms. It's not "immoral" to name call someone who doesn't believe in egalitarianism. Someone is a singular noun. It isn't a plural noun applied to group which is being generalized. You, a moderator on this sub, state here in writing that you find namecalling "someone" (singular) who disagrees with your beliefs to be acceptable. The fact that you haven't personally violated the rules is not relevant considering your position is greater than that of a g…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 04:43 AM
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That quote of you isn't a generalization about a group. It's an endorsement of namecalling an individual who disagrees with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 03:11 AM
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It's not "immoral" to name call someone who doesn't believe in egalitarianism.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 03:11 AM
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Yeah, I mean I even agree with the guy to some extent, and I still have to roll my eyes at the idea that those views amount to hard facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 02:44 AM
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You would have a point if you listed any hard facts in your complaint.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 02:42 AM
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You've just explicitly advocated for namecalling of certain people, a position which violates the moderating policy of this sub. I couldn't care less what your perspective is or what kind of genitals you have. A moderator's job is to uphold the rules as stated, and your role is made inherently suspect by your explicit endorsement of behavior which violates rule number two.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 02:35 AM
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That's not real life. A dude rambling about TRP in the middle of a night club needs to get kicked out if he's causing women to leave. There is such a thing as a correct time and place. We aren't talking about the same thing at all. Nevertheless only the most egregious damage to a business should constute a valid reason to remove someone. Nobody is talking about harassment here. Real life for most part consists of echo chambers there's nothing wrong with that. Echo chambers exist in the broadest …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 01:09 AM
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People shouldn't have to spend their free time listening to things they don't like in settings they choose. This is how echo chambers which ignite our worst tribalist tendencies end up forming. Free speech exists in large part to prevent this. If people don't want to hear stuff they don't like then they shouldn't participate. Echo chambers allow the mass of idiots to control the discourse when a more competitive marketplace of ideas would ideally force them to make better arguments or shut up an…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 12:54 AM
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Free speech as a legal phenomenon that applies to government can only be maintained in a culture that widely upholds the value in generic social settings.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 12:39 AM
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You really shouldn't be a mod here. Also egalitarianism is a stupid belief to pedastalize.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 12:35 AM
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Yes, narcissists are notoriously difficult to treat. As much research as their is on treating them, and as well as we understand the developmental source of their dysfunction there is little evidence that any of the different methods produce substantial change.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 12:01 AM
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Yeah you can find her bitching about it on social media.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 11:38 PM
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The idea behind the name is that the average american Joe is a beer drinker.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 11:33 PM
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If you're having a hard time understanding what I mean maybe you should google some reading comprehension resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 02:36 AM
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That’s where you find resources and phone numbers to call for help. Do And you just made my point. Google helps you find serious resources. The resources have to be there.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 02:23 AM
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It really doesn't. It just requires one to have a moral compass independent of outward accountability. Maybe you don't understand human fallibility as a macro problem. You should read some sociological studies on individual behavior in groups without reward and punishment systems. Then again I don't expect a sophisticated understanding of man and morality from self professed communist.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 02:17 AM
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Maybe women should google their way out of domestic abuse eh? Anymore stupid questions?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 02:14 AM
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Thank you!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 09:55 PM
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Greenberg's work actually supports my point. She describes narcissists as desperately dependent on external emotional validations they are incapable of giving to others. This is the nature of the social strain narcissists experience and why they cannot get their needs met in adulthood (obviously nobody is going to play unconditionally loving mommy to a narcissist). By helping them gain emotional perspective they can turn that gaze outward toward others and have functioning relationships which me…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 08:48 PM
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I have so far read Masterson, Kernberg, Greenberg Then you've failed to understand their work. First of all Kernberg and Greenberg are at some degree of odds seeing as Greenberg is in a number of ways more in line with Kohut who was Kernberg's opposite number on views of narcissism. Masterson manages to straddle both Kernberg's and Kohut's worlds. None of these approaches are focused primarily on developing self-love in the narcissist. Perhaps you misunderstood Kohut influenced literature which …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 08:39 PM
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if it's the fear of hellfire that keeps you from doing evil, then you're not genuinely good at all" This is such a strange perspective because it requires one to believe that they themselves are wholly good to the point of infallibility. Seeing as God is the only part of the religious system defined as wholly good from which no evil can stem there is a great irony that those who throw out this system have in fact elevated themselves to a godly status. I've always said that the fastest way to sin…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 08:16 PM
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Look. I don't argue with modern sociological conditioning. Have a nice day.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 07:34 PM
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Seeing how men in history largely regarded women as inferior, no. Those traits were always regarded as the traits of inferiority. The traits might have been valued somewhat, but were never respected or considered worthy of treating women as equals. Remember, even the wealthiest elites in history valued their lowliest servant’s labor at least a little— but valuing a trait or skill doesn’t mean they ever considered their servants anything other than their absolute inferiors in every way. This is a…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 07:19 PM
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Self love as you describe it does not lead to self acceptance and self empathy. Your views on narcissism simply don't align well with clinical practices. Your description of narcissism is accurate, but your treatment prescription is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 07:02 PM
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That’s the case in sociological contexts, but red pill guys openly claim that a woman dating “up” means she’s looking for a man superior to her in all ways, not just financial. Fair enough. I guess I'm speaking generally rather than from a pure red pill perspective. the features men seem to desire in women are not actually respected or valued or rewarded in broader society very much either I'm not sure about this today, but certainly it was historically valuable. This is a major reason women don…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 06:58 PM
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This is a good point, but it's worth noting that there are few good resources for men to better themselves coming out of a shitty environment. Everyone is happy to say, "better yourself," but nobody wants to help or provide resources that can be used to that end. Society seems to view it as easier to declare the man totalled.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 06:52 PM
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There are good men, but I know what many men are capable of and I choose not to engage, I'm sorry to hear that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 06:48 PM
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It's like people don't understand reward/punishment dynamics when it comes to social behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 06:37 PM
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Actually the clinical treatment for narcissism does not focus on self love. Narcissism is defined by a weak sense of self, and involves a collection of self validation and idealization that unrealistically inflates the sense of self (often at the expense of others). This is essentially self love, but for a narcissist it is a coping mechanism that reinforces narcissistic tendencies. The clinical treatments for narcissism encourage people to look outward. Volunteer. Compliment others. Engage in ph…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 06:26 PM
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I've heard a lot of women with this doctor fantasy. I knew an overweight girl, with few career prospects, and a "charming" personality who would say that if her career didn't work out by thirty she'd just marry a doctor. I didn't care enough to burst her bubble.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 06:01 PM
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I think you are correct about the features men want their women to be better at than them. However, I think the subtext of "dating down" has always carried socioeconomic implications because the "up" or "down" phenomenon refers to our social hierarchies. Women don't move up and down larger social hierarchies based on the features you described, but rather based on the same features that men do. While I agree with you assessment of the traits and the relative equal balance between what each sex c…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 05:54 PM
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Providing and settling down in marriage does not define a beta. A beta can only find use through his provisioning. An alpha controls his destiny. Whether a relationship oriented provider is an alpha or a beta has much more to do with why he's in that relationship as judged by his desirability to women, the characteristics of his female half, and the dynamic of the relationship itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 05:45 PM
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There is an innate biological predisposition toward interests. Porn is "male dominated" as you put it becasue men are generally more interested in that kind of thing and most don't have big enough dicks plus the stamina to perform. Normal health and safety and other employee protection standards are usually missing. Lmao. These claims are so over exaggerated. At any rate I couldn't care less about the people in porn. Sex work is the only vice industry in which we have more sympathy for the peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 10:26 PM
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So then, like STEM, this is a case where gender is irrelevant beyond the innate biological predispositions for different interests. Furthermore your argument as it pertains to actors applies to all the male actors and more broadly to employees everywhere. 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 10:07 PM
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The same.could be said of most STEM fields. Also in what world does a woman's willful participation in the acting side of porn translate to "male dominated" industry? Feminist talking points on porn betray a deep failure to understand the problems with the porn industry and its impact on society, in favor of a gender based "us vs them" analysis which ironically strips women of all agency. I suppose if you think women are mindless NPCs then your perspective makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 09:40 PM
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A high enough portion to dispense with these hogwash myths that men dominate the porn industry and that the women are just helplessly strung along.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 09:34 PM
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There are far more women on the direction side than you think as just an example. In fact anecdotally speaking I've noticed a lot of the absolute filthiest stuff is female directed.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 09:10 PM
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You called? 😏
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 07:35 PM
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That wasn't my point nor does it have anything to do with what I said. Women have chimed in up and down this thread with their story of a later in life start at relationships. The thing is that dating, sex and relationships don't work that way for men. You may be outside the social norm as a woman starting late, but men aren't generally disgusted by a woman's lack of experience, and tend to be more willing to play the teacher role in romantic contexts. Men are not just looked at as odd for start…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 06:44 PM
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Great post, great points.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 06:34 PM
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To your side point you don't understand the porn industry at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 06:32 PM
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Honestly I'm not sure your personal experience as a woman translates to how a man moves through the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 06:19 PM
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Different kind of weird. It's outside the social norm for a woman. It's actively repulsive for a man. One is, "Huh. Weird." The other is, "Eww. Weird."
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 06:12 PM
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That's happened before, but the beneficiary group is likely to be unwed women with or without children. In England during the 18th century there was a low rate of marriage, women were complaining of not being able to find a husband and men wanted to be bachelors instead of settling down with some demanding old hag so the government instated a bachelor tax.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 06:06 PM
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“Years” is now “hundreds of thousands of years”? Hundreds or thousands. I couldn't see your original comment, and I assumed you were talking about the history of gender dynamics. What I wrote is close enough to what you said. Ah so women trying to be treated as equals is “demanding validation”? Got it. That's a strong mischaracterization of what I said. You demand validation for you genders history of ongoing problems with men. Men demand the same. If you don't see this it's because you don't wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 05:28 PM
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The gender discourse extends far beyond this particular space and time. Women have bad experiences for hundreds or thousand of years as you put it and then demand validation and rectification of the problem (does the women's movement ring a bell). Men proceed to invalidate you. Men have bad experiences for hundreds or thousands of years and then demand validation and rectification of the problem. Women invalidate them. Men complain that you are hypocrites for previously demanding what you're now…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 04:58 PM
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Honestly, considering your propensity for disingenuous backpedaling it's hard for me to tell whether you are doing that right now, or if your problem is that you write at the level of a sixth grader so we can't understand your logically inane ramblings.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 04:51 PM
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Absolutely. The man's perspective on this specific gender dynamic would be that y'all are hypocrites for wanting validation and turning around and denying it to others. Your view and mine are both accurate takes about the opposite sex's incongruity when complaining and responding to complaints.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 04:46 PM
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We feel the same about a bunch of your bullshit too.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 04:42 PM
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The pot meets the kettle...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 04:41 PM
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we have r/Niceguys showing how guys react to the friendzone as extremely unhinged. That's a general statement about how guys react to the friendzone. Nowhere did you qualify this take as pertaining only to the perpetually online. If I take you at face value here then you need to learn communication skills, and you could use some classes on writing and formal logic. Alternatively you're full of shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 04:40 PM
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You really need to stop letting the perpetually online shape your view of normal people.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 04:35 PM
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So you want specific examples, but they shouldn't be anecdotal? Think about what might not make sense about that for however long you need... Edit: I forgot to add that your examples are all anecdotes too. Do you know what an anecdote actually is? Because it doesn't seem like you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 04:31 PM
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It's true. You are one of the worst bad faith participants in this thread. I honestly can't tell whether you are disingenuous or just slow
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 04:28 PM
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I would argue they do. Not everyone is following what the latest popular song/artist is. People listen to music that is around them. This means your social circles define your listening tastes in the same way your social circle defines what languages you speak (music is language tangential). Popular music doesn't change rapidly. Actually it does from a stylistic standpoint. The modern ear is desensitized to a wide variety of exotic styles, sound, chords etc. You simply cannot tell what the diffe…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 02:52 PM
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This is the most rotten part of modern gender tribalism. Decent women have been convinced that it's their tribal duty to run cover for trashy women,.and pretend that there are no bad behaviors by women which need policing, only "personal preferences."
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 12:50 PM
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It's an awfully nice idea. Unfortunately it runs up against women's conditioning to "not be his mother." Our modern zeitgeist alienated women from their nurturing side in order to push them into the workforce. That's why men have the same problem historically, and the deficit of emotional skills across the genders is too great to overcome when both sexes are shaped to fit into that role.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 10:13 PM
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idiotmax. I'm adding this to my "new speak" lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 10:09 PM
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If you have the expectation that an adult can be free of social pressures and the population won't then devolve into dysfunction you are naive as it pertains to the darker side of human nature. If you believe women's sexual behavior should be specifically of limits when it comes to social pressure then you are naive as it pertains to the tangential impacts of sexual behavior and it's deleterious effect on social cohesion. The difference between an adult and a child is degree. Your distinction is…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 08:00 PM
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Drawing arbitrary distinctions does not constitute any form of logic nor does it disprove my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 07:27 PM
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What’s your source on that? The history of high level music is littered with folks having this discussion of the common taste versus the expert taste. Schumann writes extensively on this topic in Die Neue Zeitschrift für Musik, an important journal for commentary on new music (19th century). Could it not be the case that most people don’t care about music theory or what’s “objectively good” Of course people don't care about music theory. No person has ever thought that. Music theory isn't what m…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 06:41 PM
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Your point and mine aren't mutually exclusive. Like I said, people date whoever is around. If your whole social environment sucks, and you've not had the opportunity to see new horizons then it makes sense that some will conclude that what they deal with is normal. Your point is relevant for people who date across a variety of social circles, and at different times over the course of their life. There will be young men for whom time has not yet passed, and new circles have not yet been explored.…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 06:26 PM
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Oh believe me I'm not even the slightest bit upset. You're the one who seems to be upset about something here. I'm just pointing out a basic flaw in your highly motivated reasoning. Let's unpack the incongruity of your argument. You made a general proposition about men's dating struggles. Your evidence for this general proposition? A few specific quotes that represent uncommon male opinions on this specific platform, lifted from a subreddit that already deviates heavily from the male norm on the…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 06:16 PM
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If you believe that force is never an acceptable means to motivate desirable behavior and that pressure is no different than force then you have no tools to generate positive behavior other than bribery which is not a long term solution. You would be incapable of raising a child with that attitude just like we will be incapable of maintaining a functioning reproductive system with that attitude. The family is a microcosm for society and all human interactions. It's relevance in this sphere is al…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 06:04 PM
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Let's use deep sea isopods as an example. The males of the species come in several distinct morphological forms which pertain to their mating strategy. Obviously there is the "alpha" bull who is the biggest male and builds harems of isopod females. No secret what his strategy is. More commonly there are "beta" isopods who are smaller than the bulls, and most interestingly a third variation which constutes the sneaky male strategy. This third form looks exactly like a female, and mates by hiding …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 03:03 PM
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Then never have kids. Yours would be a screaming nightmare without discipline who grow into a burden on society.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 12:42 PM
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Try being raised by one. There is no shortage of feminist mothers raising their children with feminist ideas from birth. A friend of mine had a baby, and feminist literature was on the baby shower gift registry. Baby's first feminist book or some shit like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 01:54 AM
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Have we considered that men who are complaining of this may exist in social circles that attract this kind of woman? People date whoever is around. I personally was a musician and went through arts programs. I've seen all sorts of trash, but the arena I'm in attracts people with problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 01:40 AM
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You are making a general point about men's dating issues from what I can tell. You understand that most of the men with dating issue aren't congregating on this subreddit right? As to your second condescending dig, people notice that which triggers negative emotion more so than that which doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 01:32 AM
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How old are you? I get that maybe you'll just dismiss what i'm about to say as general male whinging, but young women today are very into men out of their league. I clean up pretty well, and the only women who are my age that put themselves in my line of sight tend to be vastly less attractive than me on top of not having much else going for them. The others are old enough to be my mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 01:12 AM
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Except I dont Good for you. There are men who will appreciate that if you can open up a little bit to hearing what a man has to say. I even posted an example here and I can even find more. I'm genuinely surprised you found one, but it take all types eh? More seriously I don't believe that most men defend those women. Generally I see men who are pissed off at those women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 01:08 AM
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I literally read them in PPD. Maybe that's your probelm.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 01:05 AM
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Preface: This comment isn't about Eilish's music, but rather your logic. Most people don't know what's good or not, just what's popular. Take it from a classically trained musician that there's a big difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 09:51 PM
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Maybe you're right, but if so it's a bit shocking. Tits are tits, but her face is pretty uninspiring. She looks like a pretty average girl to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 09:46 PM
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Where did you find that graph? I'm curious what the research basis was since it gives no indication.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 09:35 PM
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Women are programmed to find the best suitor and men are programmed to game the system. We evolve side by side as a single species so for whatever instinct a woman has to weed a man out, there will be a man who has a behavioral quirk designed to trick that instinct. In the vast majority of species it's the case that sneaky males are the most common reproductive phenotype. The evolutionary implication is that male gaming of the system works. Furthermore, female selectivity doesn't operate in a va…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 09:28 PM
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Birth rates below replacement in sexually liberalized countries. Excessive immigration is used to compensate economically. Sociocultural upheaval wrought by mass migration of distinct cultural and ethnic groups into countries where they struggle to assimilate quickly leads to conflicts (which we see). In otherword economics 101. Would you like biological, sociological, or historical arguments as well, cause they all point to the same reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 09:09 PM
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Now idk if anything on reddit is that "normal," but people are being ridiculous if they think the internet provides no reflection of reality
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 09:01 PM
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Nobody really thinks that either. Such straw men are just useful ways of playing stupid when one has no better idea for a functioning mating system than the old and restrictive one they don't like.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 08:58 PM
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But yes there are good men who fall into this subset, chances are however they’re already married or taken by the time they reached the level of “financial” stability that most women today expect. Women don't seem to realize that faithful, virtuous "Chad" was snapped up by some commitment oriented woman long before he ever crossed the finish line or received his honorary "Chad" plaque.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 08:45 PM
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No. They are saying that societies that fail at having a high rate of family formation and family stability tend to die out overtime. Those pressures created a functional reproductive system for society. Today the individual is above society and with that goes civilization.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 08:38 PM
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You understand that when I say "men are legally AND socially allowed to feel how they feel" I'm acknowledging the distinction between legal rules and social expectations right? Did you miss that part? Oops. I did gloss over where you said socially. My apologies. That misunderstanding rectified, we disagree on just how socially acceptable men's feelings and desires are. I'm not going to say there is no degree of social acceptance, but it does feel like an animal bring hounded into a corner. There…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 10:27 PM
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Judgemental and intolerant on the basis of promiscuity equals slut shaming. Slut shaming is considered misogynistic. Statements have implications. This is the problem, you keep saying "they don't have values" as if it's not valid to just value people living their lives the way they want to live. It isn't. If one want to rape kids it's not valid. If one wants to torture and debone cats it's not valid. The list of choices people make which are invalid is practically endless. It's also possible to …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 08:55 PM
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You understand the distinction between legal rules and social expectations right? At any rate this is a thread stemming if a conversation I was having with another commenter. The context was how he described the social game. In his description I have to spend a lot of time getting to know a girl before talking about preferences. It seems like I have to have a girlfriend before I find out if we're actually compatible according to what he was saying (which maybe wasn't exactly what he meant). That…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 06:52 PM
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I do not share values with someone who is intolerant, sexually conservative, and judgmental A lot of women disagree with this and do not want to be with a man that believes this. Even the women that prefer not to be promiscuous. That's the point. You asked why those women turn down men that prefer to date non promiscuous women and this is my answer to you: because a lot of those men have different values than them and that makes them incompatible This is mutually contradictory unless you concede…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 05:31 PM
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I think you're conflating "women don't like being asked things like that upfront" with "men should never state their preferences" when the two are completely different statements and nobody has said the latter. The rules create a careful set of implications which suggest that stating such a preference should never happen. Not everyone is going to like everything that you say but that doesn't mean you can't be honest and just say it. Would I be here saying what I'm saying if I didn't know that? I…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 05:01 PM
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MY point was that you seemed to get upset by her making the assumption that you find promiscuity distasteful and im wondering why since her assumption was correct? Her assumption was that I'm a misogynist going around slut shaming promiscuous women, not that I don't like promiscuity. So her assumptions was in fact incorrect. Reality exists in degrees. The specifics matter. On the topic, yes you just reiterated what I said. If you actively dislike promiscuity and value chastity, you aren't compat…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 04:47 PM
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Values determine behavior not thought. I've already addressed this stupid argument, but let me clarify it for you. Both myself and a non promiscuous woman share values that drive our own behavioral proclivities. You might argue that we don't share anti judgement values. My rebuttal would be that I don't waste time going around judging promiscuous women; I just don't like promiscuity. Big difference. Reading carefully matters. Alternatively you are describing a woman who has preferences whereas I…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 04:21 PM
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What can is say. I've never been one to suffer imbeciles.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 03:31 PM
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You have a spurious definition of a ton of time. Are you suggesting that in the roughly hour or two it took to write these replies I could have found a nice wife? Do you think I cannot engage in discussions and move toward my goals? Am I not allowed to ask a woman what presentation of a preference is viewed negatively and which one neutrally? You're not very bright and you bore me. Piss off.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 03:16 PM
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Yeah someone who has values has at least attempted to think about competing conceptions of the good as it pertains to themselves and others, and then tries to live that. Someone with preferences just has a bunch of commodities and experiences they feel entitled to consume for their own personal gratification. If this is broadly the case for young women then that disqualifies most of them in my eyes. I would like a moral equal not a moral midget as my partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 01:59 PM
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I’m curious why you think low-n women would hate this explanation. This is exactly the thought process I was looking for in a guy when I was dating. In my experience low n women make the worst kind of assumptions upon first hearing the preference. Yes I completely understand why y'all don't want the kind of men you talked about, but they are a very loud minority. The traditional double standard is actually quite uncommon (though again they're noisy). I find it difficult to be auto sorted into th…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 01:53 PM
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If you aren’t finding a non promiscuous woman who likes you, it’s probably because you spend too much time online trying to convince people who don’t really give a shit that your preference are right. Talking about something once is too much time online? What are you some sort of teetotaler? Also did you read anything I wrote or are you just retarded? Whose trying to convince anybody my preference is right? I'm trying to discuss why it's automatically assumed to be wrong. Reading comprehension. …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 01:40 PM
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My social circles aren't turning them up I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 01:35 PM
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I have a strong distaste for promiscuity. I don't live my life that way, and I'd like a partner who doesn't and hasn't either. Also a partner I connect with and genuinely like who feels the same about me, but that's not relevant here. I live my life based on my values and my values aren't very favorable to high degrees of promiscuity though I'm not a purist so much as a contextualist in terms of what I consider to be promiscuous. As it pertains to judging others I view people holistically. The p…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 03:03 AM
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Let me be fair. Your reason is valid as it pertains to specific men with double standards complaining about promiscuous women, but that assumption isn't broadly fair as it pertains to preferences for low promiscuity.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 12:08 AM
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And your reason isn't as explained with receipt.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 12:07 AM
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I'm not sure what you intend to prove by pointing out that I complained of an unfair label when expressing my preference, and that you observed a potential reason for that label to be applied to my preference. Considering I addressed the truthfulness of the double standard argument I'm not sure what your point is. I don't do intellectual labor on behalf of other for a reason. People never ask for receipts about things which confirm their beliefs, and people never believe receipts which disprove …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 11:53 PM
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Imagine you have a preference, and when you try to discuss how to meet women who share your preference everybody starts talking about misogynists and double standards. Every time you see anybody bring up the topic somebody attacks them (as another commenter did here to me). I'd just ask you to consider if maybe you'd be a little defensive too. Full honesty I'm too lazy to find you the receipts. Every study I've seen on this issue attempts to measure the frequency of the belief in each gender tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 11:15 PM
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The rules you've laid out are too restrictive and waste time. One can be pleasant, likeable, and respectful while not bearing around the bush. If your advice is be pleasant and likeable I've got that already. It means exactly what it says. I don't particularly like promiscuous women. Nothing more, nothing less. Some people don't like kids. Do we assume that all childfree folks are wishing active harm on children, are unkind to children, avoid children like the plague? I sure hope not, and I don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 11:07 PM
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So this is loaded with assumptions. First of all right of the bat you saw me shame nobody. Secondly every study I've ever seen on promiscuity double standards suggest equivalence across gender. Thirdly women actually select more harshly against promiscuity on average than men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 10:55 PM
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I don't need to pick it apart because it involves bad faith assumptions about me which are patently untrue.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 10:51 PM
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Honestly this discussion with you is entirely pointless, but you've glossed over the reality that your preference indicates your values even if you think other values remain acceptable. You would be best arguing that while I share low promiscuity monogomous values with these women that I don't share anti judgement values with them. My rebuttal would be that nowhere did I indicate exclusionary judgement, but rather a value based preference for my romantic relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 10:50 PM
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It sounds to me like you are the one making it out to be way harder than it is. Who said anything about dislike? I choose my words with intent. I despise promiscuity which is a trait. I don't particularly like promiscuous women. Note I didn't say dislike, hate, treat like shit etc. As a final point I guarantee that anyone who believes that one aspect of a persons life isn't adequate to dislike them is a hypocrite. Think about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 10:47 PM
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Well then it's a good thing nothing you said here applies to me or reflects anything I said above.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 10:44 PM
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Hmm. Interesting. So you're saying young women don't have values just preferences. That's a huge red flag.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 10:42 PM
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Nothing but assumptions here. You are literally who I'm talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 10:41 PM
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I despise promiscuity. I don't particularly like promiscuous women. Big difference. I would argue many do, but similar to the chaste woman offended by anti promiscuity preference I am in fact not a virgin, so it doesn't effect me however stupid I think the judgement is, so I don't flip shit at women who don't want autistic virgins becasue I'm not one of them. Why the need to worry about judgement that doesn't effect you? This seems counterintuitive to matching up with people who share similar va…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 10:31 PM
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I don't see why I have to like promiscuous women. Women are adamant that they don't have to like virgin men, autistic men or any other kind of man who doesn't fit their preferences for a man. In these very same cases I could shriek about how unfair, judgmental, and misandrist these women are on account of dehumanizing people for something one could argue has no relevance to their value as a person. Alternatively I could drop the bullshit pretense that dehumanization is what I care about when it'…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 10:14 PM
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Another person might say the last sentence I wrote is the most important though I don't see in any way how they are mutually incompatible with the rest.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 09:57 PM
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Alright. Question. Were you put off by the way I described my preference? Because the other person who responded to the comment you picked up on views it that way and appears from my perspective to have simply made a bunch of assumptions about how I'm a terrible person. In my observation that's the normative response. I'm talking about crude heuristics to figure out whether she is promiscuous or not without bringing up the topic. How does she dress? Is she enormously invested in women's liberati…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 09:48 PM
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Yes I'm aware. You didn't address the part where I said absent your nonsense qualifiers you would get more good repsonses like that, and the fact that I've been telling you that if you want that, which I know you do as per my very first response to you, then the way you framed the question sows confusion. About a third of the respondents basically said it was a pointless choice. Those people answered the question you literally asked. The respondents that are helpful for what you want to know ans…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 09:42 PM
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I should add that all personal choices are a product of values, but if you want to be obtuse by all means be my guest.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 09:37 PM
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You're a great example of what I'm talking about. Nowhere did you see shit talking, intolerance or heavy judgement. You saw a stated preference and leaped to conclusions. Try talking to the people in front of you instead of the spectres of your own imagination. I'd say that's a pretty key communication skill.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 09:36 PM
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I don't speak to women about these issues. That being said I see low promiscuity women condemning men for looking for low promiscuity women. If the guy is a hypocrite that makes sense, but I see more blanket statements to this effect (commenter who responded above you for example). It appears to me that we would have to discuss sexual values to find compatibility and as far as I can see just stating my preference is an "obsession" as you put it. So I don't state it. I covertly observe and use cr…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 09:34 PM
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They share the value of low promiscuity in terms of how they choose to live their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 09:29 PM
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I don't mean to be rude, but this is obvious. Let me give you an example of the kind of problem I'm describing. I don't particularly like promiscuous women. Women who aren't promiscuous exist. A good match seeing as we have the same values about promiscuity? Apparently not because the modern zeitgeist says men who don't want promiscuous women are horrible misogynists, and for some reason non promiscuous young women think that it makes sense to reject guys who share their values because they shar…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 07:23 PM
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I've not gotten the impression that her trashiness invalidates her experience of abuse. I think to be clear though it isn't adequate to go around talking about how these things should work when there is the reality of how they do. I also believe that her being abused doesn't invalidate a conversation about inappropriate behaviour in public. None of these issues are mutually exclusionary though the abuse crosses a bright red line.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 07:10 PM
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Hey! I agree with you! What a rarity on this platform.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 07:06 PM
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The ex's behavior is exactly what I mean when I talk about men who hide behind a one-sided idea of traditionalism when it's actually all about ego and control. It's a massive red flag and I'm not at all surprised he turned out to be a piece of shit. So how's a guy to avoid that perception? I have a holistic view of traditional norms, but most women I hear from on this issue are way too paranoid to hear my perspective rather than assume my views.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 06:58 PM
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Reread our thread. I stated that men won't find the two equal. You stated that some had. I pointed out that responses stating they were equal boiled down to what you've quoted. You've removed my statement from its full context and compared it to comments that neither of us were originally talking about. Now let's address the comments. Notice how those men explicitly didn't view these women as being on equal ground with equal flags so much as they made their own assumed value judgements based on …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 06:28 PM
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But assumed something that wasn't true. You assumed I made the value judgement - but that wasn't the case. You're confused about intentionality. I'm saying you put parameters on your question that were meant to control for a specific variable, but are in fact covert value judgements. My argument is definitional. You needn't realize they are value judgements for them to be value judgements. If your goal is to measure male value judgements about divorce then let them make assumptions about the wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 05:48 PM
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No misunderstanding on my end so much as yours. I'm saying, "pretend there are two women that YOU feel are fairly equal and YOU didn't find any red flags (however YOU define red flags). Now choose based on this limited info" My point is entirely that men won't find these women equal or without flags in any real situation on account of the feature you are asking them to select for or against. I'm not suggesting that you personally see them equally. I'm suggesting any statement of equal flags and …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 05:20 PM
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You've presented them as facts, but the idea that both these women are identical and without any flags is in essence a value judgement. Consider that anyone would simply (and many men who answered have) put their own value judgements about the actual facts of these women's lives (divorced vs hooking up) above yours. Unfortunately any estimation of flags and relative relationship desirability is a subjective value judgement. You're trying to get men to answer based on your prescribed value judgem…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 04:57 PM
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In my observation women want kids or not in the moment based on selfish convenience. Does she feel overwhelmed right now? No kids ever! Two days later she sees her friends cute newborn? Omg need kids, must receive social validation via baby! While there are childfree women I'd be inclined to treat any woman's protestations against children with serious skepticism considering how whimsical women are.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 04:31 PM
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The problem is her experiment is set up with such a detachment from the real world implications of these behaviors so as to render any answer worthless. Men care about how the feature she is trying to measure impacts results. If both women are otherwise identical and have no red flags then there is no difference in result so there is no reason to favor one or the other at all. Realistically these women would have made different decisions because they are different people with different potential…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 04:25 PM
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You'll note the men with strong preferences ignored the stated identical nature of the women in favor of imposing their assumptions of character on the basis of dating history right? And that the men who took your question at face value refused to pick and called the question stupid? I mean hey if you want to collect meaningless data about a meaningless question and draw some meaningless conclusions from it be my guest, but for anything even approaching academic rigor (lol academic rigor on redd…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 04:24 PM
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The problem is her experiment is set up with such a detachment from the real world implications of these behaviors so as to render any answer worthless. Men care about how the feature she is trying to measure impacts results. If both women are otherwise identical and have no red flags then there is no difference in result so there is no reason to favor one or the other at all. Realistically these women would have made different decisions because they are different people with different potential…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 04:20 PM
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I get what you are trying to control for, but it makes this a completely pointless hypothetical. You think that if you present two almost identical women, one divorced and one never married, that you're getting a man's view on how divorce affects a woman's value, but you really aren't. The problem is that men aren't actually selecting for the divorced or not divorced woman based on any feature intrinsic to divorce itself. Any such judgement would be made based on the signals about the person's c…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 04:11 PM
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That makes this an incredibly stupid hypothetical. At that point it isn't a choice. She may think she is controlling for men's feelings about divorced women, but the thing is that a divorced woman compared to a woman who has never divorced are unlikely to be the same. Divorce sends signals as does the decision to hook up and not to marry. To suggest that the only difference between these women is their relationship status is to play make believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 03:56 PM
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You're older. Younger generations are vastly more neurotic. I was in a group of folks and one dude was talking about how he was playing guitar on his aprtment balcony and some girl and her mother stopped to talk to him and the girl later handwrote him a letter offering a date. The girls in the group all accused her of being creepy (ridiculous I know). Imagine the reaction of those same young women being hit on in public by a man they don't know well if they feel a handwritten note delivered from…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 03:43 PM
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The number of people who see the totality of each gender's failings is vanishingly small. I agree with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 03:34 PM
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I'd say it's a gray area. I knew guys who didn't want kids and were upfront with the women they were with about it and no children was agreed upon. As soon as those women got the marriage they then decided no children was a dealbreaker. She waited until there would be consequences for sticking to his guns so It was a classic bait and switch tactic. I'm not here to tell you this commenter is right about his specific situation, but I've seen women do some sneaky ass shit with this kind of thing so…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 03:28 PM
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Men, if you’re reading this, not all women hate you and I HIGHLY doubt most would agree to your removal from existence. Please stay with us and know you can be loved and cherished and appreciated. message me if you need anything. Look, gendered genocide is so far away it's at best a fun and unlikely hypothetical to contemplate, but I have to address this logic. It doesn't matter if most women wouldn't affirm male removal. Like most genocide it requires only the indifference of the population tow…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 01:03 PM
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That's an incel. Agreed Most guys are not incels. Agreed Most incels are not the most extreme cases. Agreed All incens, by definition, think they are completely doomed to loneliness due to women being too shallow to give them any sort of sexual attention. Yep You're missing the fact that most men who chime in on these issues aren't incels, so your blowhjob offer rebuts only the most laughably extreme neurosis and not even the argument about structural systems.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 12:26 PM
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Actually you brought up absolute declarations of unattractiveness and all that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 04:12 AM
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If most guys you find yourself speaking to are the absolutley desperately alone incel idk what to say, but that isn't most men who deal with dating or sexual struggles. Honestly I'd assume that you select these people to talk to.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 03:55 AM
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It can both be true that they have legitimate problems and are setting themselves up to fail by seeing it as a forgone conclusion. So we now agree on my core point. The most desperately alone incel regardless of other circumstances is mainly held back by their own defeatist view twords sex. This isn't most of the men you'd find yourself speaking to.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 03:34 AM
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This is where we enter murky waters because it's never obvious exactly what someone sorts into the incel category. I'm not sure the belief that sex is disparate in distribution and difficult to obtain for a certain subset of men is incel logic. To that end even one woman offering blowjobs doesn't deconstruct a broader paradigm around sex and dating. That's not quite the same as someone who has absolutely declared that no woman would ever accept him sexually. You are speaking to a particular subs…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 02:03 AM
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Saying the world doesn't exist in absolutes while true doesn't go quite as far as to totally prove your point as you might think.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 01:45 AM
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I think you make a good point, but it's also at a cross purpose to whatever a guy may say about his predicament. Your point being valid needn't necessarily make his wrong. I'd say it isn't necessarily a case of right and wrong. Also have you considered that some men who have problems with the dating market wish to find women who aren't promiscuous to have serious relationships with? I would say that any guy coming from that perspective is certainly not invalidated by means of refusing a blowjob/…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 01:20 AM
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Like not every person on a diet is angry about it. Sometimes it's just a diabetic trying to make choices for their best future. Honestly I want to hear about these angry involuntary dieters. Do they bemoan the rise of health science? Is Big Lettuce trying to force salad values down their throat? Has a fat involuntary dieter ever shot up a salad bar in retribution? These are the questions that keep me up at night.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 01:11 AM
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How are you gonna suck a redditor dick? I get your broader point, but also it seems unreasonable to suggest that you've won an internet argument because you offered to suck a guys dick who may as well be hundreds of miles away, and he refused.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 01:07 AM
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I think a more nuanced point of discussion would be that people tend to throw the term incel at people who don't actually fit into that ideology in order to dismiss them. Anecdotally I've noticed people who bring up views that could be considered somewhat traditionally religous are sometimes compared to the Taliban or ISIS. I'd say the use of the term incel sometime resembles this kind of exaggeration.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 01:00 AM
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Honestly it's hard to say. Every now and then I see something that gives me a sense that a lot of the LTR people regardless of gender have detached from the dating and mating game.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 11:41 PM
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No no not adult industry workers, but sluts definitely. I'm right on the cusp of millenials and gen z and let me tell you that about two years under me the girls are fucking wild. I'd be happy to do the trade thing and not push for sex, but like the above commenter it appears pointless. I'm not going to pretend to treat a girl like a pure virgin when she has a high double digit body count that includes people whose names she doesn't even remember.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 09:58 PM
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I suggest you read actual high quality statistics on this issue collected by professionals and studied at an academic level instead of basing your sense of frequency on sensationalist true crime style documentaries. This conversation is the equivalent of me pointing out that crime is at or near all time historical lows and you rebutting with "but they talk about it so much on the news." There is an entire academic literature on the phenomenon by which people tend to discuss the frequency of some…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 09:42 PM
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Your first statement is an anecdote that operates at a micro level. My statement was a macro statement. Your second statement is more of the same. The crux of your misunderstanding seems to be your assumption that generalities represent black and white absolutes. They do not, and I never said they did. So I'm supposed to feel sorry for women who don't want good men on account of their antipathy toward the belief system that drives their good behavior? Let's put it this way. If one complains abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 09:28 PM
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That as it may be is irrelevant when the question is where to find a good man. If a woman doesn't want a good man because she disagrees with the beliefs that make him good then I don't have much concern for her self made problem. It's not sufficient to just say that everyone everywhere is a "mixed group." Some groups have vastly higher rates of trashiness or virtue. Obviously every individual gets vetted at a micro level, but depending on where you select from at the macro level you have a much …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 08:55 PM
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Religious people who regularly attend church tend to have better mental health, a more diverse moral pallet, are less promiscuous, less likely to engage in adultery, possess community engagement skills, have positive attitudes toward family and children etc. Also for women looking for a good guy, regular church going Christian men have among the lowest rates of domestic violence of any group (on the flip side "Christian identifying" non church goers who never read the bible are among the worst).…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 07:39 PM
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Yeah, church isn't a good answer here. There are enough assholes in church and I'm not religious. Actually it is for a whole host of reasons, but like I said women here won't want to hear it. I'm not sure you can point at a certain subculture or place and say "hey, there are a lot of good partners", it's something you have to vet for. from middle-higher middle social class, educated, generally do not have "messy dating life", they usually have good relationships with their relatives and they hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 07:06 PM
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Well to be fair I do have an answer, but the average secular egalitarian woman that frequents this forum is not going to like hearing "church" as the place to find good men. That being said you were the one who asserted that good women do in fact exist, and I made no such claim about men. It would follow that if you're so sure that good women exist you must know something about them otherwise your assertion is just a god proposition entirely dependent on faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 06:57 PM
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Honestly that depends on what good means to you. I have a feeling that my definition of a good man is probably not quite the same as many women's.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 06:39 PM
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Well that's not specific enough to be helpful. If they aren't practically accessible it's irrelevant whether they exist or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 06:34 PM
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Where the fuck are they then?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 06:31 PM
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Go read her replies. Her argument is carefully constructed to leave women the right to bitch about the same thing she says men can't, and to be fair as much as unconditional love is make believe, men are still going to demand it when they live in a culture that promotes ideas (not realities, that would be impossible) of unconditional love for women
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 04:37 PM
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Yeah for real. Writ large it's hardly the case. She might as well say she's the primary earner in her own household as evidence of such a claim since it would be about as legitimate.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 04:30 PM
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Well she does want open communication. From you. Because it gives her leverage and reduces her anxiety. It's more that the statement is less wholesome than generally presented.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 09:28 PM
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I know how to get fit, thanks, like I said I have already lost 53 pounds and still have more to lose. Congrats! I hope you feel the benefits of losing weight in your life!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 09:22 PM
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Yes that's a great point. Women gain power by saying yes when they are expected to say no. Men gain power by saying no when they are expected to say yes. Men can fundamentally shape a relationship dynamic by being willing to say no and leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 09:11 PM
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I'm gonna bolster OP's point here with an anecdote. I have a married friend who has a problem where his partner eats wherever in the home and then leaves the dirty dishes in that spot. They don't even make it to the sink, nevermind actually getting cleaned. This is just one example among many of her shortcomings in regard to basic adult chores. Nevertheless, she is adamant that he doesn't pull his weight in the household and she uses "you need to meet me halfway and do things 50/50" rhetoric whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 08:52 PM
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Unfortunately that's what the modern "love marriage" paradigm actually promotes. Passion, aka, lust.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 11:36 PM
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The modern man is delusional, rude, and shooting way too high. I chuckled at this. It's true, but hardly gendered.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 11:33 PM
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To be fair it's true for both genders. The only part of a person that ages well are the material assets.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 11:32 PM
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I'm saying that admitting one's morals and sexual desire have no relationship isn't difficult. What people have a hard time with is that a conscious comparison of the two leaves you with an obvious answer to which you should behave by. People intentionally refuse to acknowledge the amoral nature of their sexuality precisely because it would prevent them from expressing that sexuality free of moral considerations. The irony is that the person who refuses to consciously separate the two is the one…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 09:59 PM
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Idk. If I listed my friends from most to least misogynistic and then from most to least successful with women the lists are almost identical.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 06:52 PM
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Not contributing anything of substance in a debate sub is actually worse than contributing something substantially stupid. Food for thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 06:38 PM
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There's an art to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 06:35 PM
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You've overlooked the possibility that many women are just stupid and easy to manipulate. Once you know what buttons to press it's really easy to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 06:28 PM
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It's tough to admit that your sexual preferences are orthogonal to your sense of morality. You know... a lot of people say that, but I just don't get it. I have no problem admitting my sexual urges may be at odds with my morality. Admitting it forces me to choose what's right over what's self serving. In my honest opinion people who refuse to separate the two are just implicitly elevating their sexual desire above any moral code. It's not difficult to admit to such an incongruity so much as it p…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 06:22 PM
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It turns out on closer inspection we agree far more than not. In my observation the orthodox of the great faiths tend to come to many of the same or similar conclusions about the nature of human virtue and prescriptions for human behavior. To me any of these are good choices as they reveal many universals of the human experience, but as someone who grew up in a western society permeated with Christian influences that is the religion whose syntax I have the easiest time broaching. We would genera…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 09:32 PM
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Women make the complaint I originally made as it pertains to there own interests all day and then turn around and tell men they have to play by different rules. An example "Expecting me to be chaste and obedient when you aren't is a double standard. I'm not defined by normative gender roles so you can't judge me that way. You're a misogynist." "How dare you not be stoic and servile. What a pathetic man. If you cannot live up to your role then one can find no use for you." Transparently I agree t…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 07:51 PM
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I'm a dude and honestly think women are way more like overgrown ill disciplined children than men are (and that the commenter you responded to is projecting), but you'd have to be blind to not notice these among other generalizations being stated repeatedly in this sub. A more interesting question I posed to one of the mods is why are women allowed to post CMVs without having to seriously engage with commenters, and why are women allowed to agree with OP's CMV in top level comments rather than u…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 07:28 PM
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The plot twist in the gender debate is that women's secretly held right to intense arousal is at the root of the women's movement. The earliest women's advocates were primarily focused on issues of women's arousal. Try giving a woman today advice about how to avoid fuckboys. The response will invariably be, "I'm not doing that because I'm horny and entitled to hot sex." They're only interested in avoiding fuckboys until they learn they have to close their legs to succeed at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 07:10 PM
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If such views were applied consistently it would be a fair world view. Normally women reserve the protestations of my original comment for themselves while maintaining that men must simply conform. If you accept male double standards about women then I accept yours, but I highly doubt that's the case
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 07:04 PM
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Since you're a mod here I gotta ask. Do the CMV rules just not apply to the women? I've noticed that many women posting CMVs who don't or barely engage with the thread don't have their posts removed, and that nobody seems to be enforcing the rules for top level comments agreeing with the OP. What's up with that?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 07:01 PM
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To be fair men say that about women all day here.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 06:46 PM
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For real. Never once in the entirety of youth was I ever encouraged to approach women. I was repeatedly lectured about not bothering them or making their neurotic selves uncomfortable in any way.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 06:44 PM
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You make a great point. The issue is that women use their "man's life" benefits to compare themselves to those men they could potentially have relationships with; a sort of "must be this tall to ride" kind of thing. This makes it harder for the men to compete for women while not actually benefitting the woman's long term reproductive goals anyway. That being said it's hard to sympathize with women in this situation because they demanded the social environment they find themselves in.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 06:32 PM
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No it comes from male disposability which is a biological practicality and has been practiced for all of human history.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 06:25 PM
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You're right. What you are describing is actually called misandry with a nice helping of double standard. "I don't generally hate sketchy behaviors, but when black people do it then I have problem." That's what you sound like..
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 06:24 PM
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You're still illiterate? Take a look at that twenty three hour time stamp sweetie.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 05:25 PM
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You've confused the kind of complaints with the magnitude of truth. If you aren't among the youth you won't see what I'm talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 01:40 PM
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In this context we are talking about high quality serious relationships and to that extent I would say "chad," whatever advantages he has, does not have anything quite akin to magnetic gloves. That being said if we were talking about sex you would be spot on.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 09:27 PM
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A more interesting point of debate is to what degree do we need to punish people, for how long, and over an offense of what calibre. It seems to me that we punish people severely and perpetually for stuff that is often trivial or poorly established. Now I'm not weighing in on Batali as I know little to nothing about him, but it seems that these might be the terms of a reasonable debate about the kind of issue OP has chosen to use this celbrity chef as a poster boy for.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 07:26 PM
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Today I learned that the expectation of evidence based claims is autistic. Assuming that statement were true I'm pretty sure it makes the ladies around here retarded though. 😂😂😂
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 07:20 PM
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And I'd like to participate in a debate sub that attracts literate users. Alas not everyone can get what they want. 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 05:36 PM
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Except for the part where you didn't understand his explanation, and when I explained it to you (the third time you'd heard it) you proceeded to still insist on your blindingly stupid interpretation. Nice try though. If following the chain of your own conversation is that hard for you then you should improve your reading comprehension before your try and have discussions with real adults about serious topics. If you'd like I could suggest some remedial reading programs that might help you.. if n…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 05:17 PM
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Call it a bureaucratic compulsion, but poor reading comprehension must be corrected whether it be caused by genuine reading deficiency or willful ignorance. What you asked her was as obvious as the pain in your retina when you stare directly into the sun
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 05:08 PM
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Luciansleep asked you to evaluate his picture. You responded to an above commenter asking where his pictures were to be critiqued since he was doing the same to another woman. Luciansleep responded asking if you would do that for him, by which "that" obviously referred to your stated goal of critiquing a picture to find the room for improvement. You acted as if you had been asked for nudes which was not what you were being asked.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 05:06 PM
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Same here.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 05:02 PM
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This is a good point about men in this regard as well as people in general. I really agree that a lot of folks miss that the whining and doing nothing normally comes at the end of the trajectory, almost like the echo of a stone hitting rock bottom of an empty well. The thing is that the stone had to be free falling in relative silence for some time to get there.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 04:20 PM
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There are serious generation gap issues to be contended with. The younger women are more shallow and entitled. The younger men are also less well prepared for that challenge.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 04:11 PM
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I just asked him about it, and he said I was right. Learn to read.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 04:00 PM
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Other people made a point, but this is the one you chose to respond to...
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 03:56 PM
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Are you asking her to evaluate your pictures?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 03:51 PM
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Or that a million people are rummaging through the stack to find those few needles
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 03:30 PM
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He's asking for you to evaluate his pictures.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 03:28 PM
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You missed the point. The pump and dump isn't valuable to most women. We agree on that. The ability or opportunity to be pumped and dumped correlates with the ability to gain male attention though, and somewhere among the men paying attention are guys who want something more genuine than a pump and dump, including mister right. If a woman's ability to leverage sex appeal in this way increases both her opportunities for casual sex (at a large scale and valueless to her) and for meaningful relatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 11:40 PM
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Yes. Women have very strong and specific societal messaging around beauty that has existed for generations. Not only is there more beauty advice out there for women but they are more likely to know an older woman or friend in youth who may transmit some of this wisdom and turn them on to the source. Many men don't have that, and then later in life when they are starting to want to look for a woman they find they don't have a style or that just being "not a blob" doesn't cut it in the physical fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 11:26 PM
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It's intuitive to be clean looking. What degree and kind of styling is expected is not necessarily intuitive in a world where many are told that basic hygiene is a path to success.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 09:44 PM
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Not really, it's all directly from their mouths. Funny because the individual you are speaking to never uttered a word you said. She is consistent. When she wants to fuck you, she'll fuck you (assuming you consent as well). If she fucks one guy fast and makes another wait that is inconsistent behavior toward sex as well as manipulative. Both are red flags. But instead you're demanding that she fuck you as quickly as possible. I never said that. I stated that the woman for me should fuck nobody q…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 08:41 PM
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Idk if you've actually dated much, but you'll find that unless you're some combination of quite unpleasant and quite physically unattractive you have the leverage to avoid any 50/50 split.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 08:26 PM
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I think you're probably right about this. Men could use some help. I think the way they are currently socialized leaves them without an understanding of male beauty expectations until it's too late for many of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 08:24 PM
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You sure have a lot of assumptions about individuals dude. You realize that whatever the "standard narrative" of this sub is it has been collected from hundreds of different commenters each with their own pet issue, and that very few people if any will ever hold all the "standard" beliefs? I mean I knew people don't intuitively understand the relationship between generalities and individuals, but sheesh. Now to answer your questions she should be consistent. If she is easy she shouldn't pretend …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 08:19 PM
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Being a hoe isn't about any specific number. It's a collection of attitudes and practices when it comes to sex. If she's easy she's easy. If one would intentionally hide from a partner a feature about themselves which might lead to rejection then they are indicating a lack of respect for the other party's right to make autonomous decisions on the basis of truth. It reveals a penchant for dishonesty and an entitlement to the other person's time, resources, body etc. Those two things alone are maj…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 08:01 PM
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Men who don't want to date promiscuous women do not wish to be deceived affirmatively or by omission. Sleeping around and then pretending not to be a hoe when you find mister right is manipulative. Be who you are and if it's going to work it will.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 07:53 PM
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Lying about being a hoe is not working within the rules that men desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 07:50 PM
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Unless you're a dude it's women on this sub, but if that was an incorrect assumption my bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 07:46 PM
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Been there too.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 07:39 PM
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And y'all wonder why men don't like you so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 07:37 PM
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Skinny men are viewed as lacking in the masculinity department. Fat women lack in femininity.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 07:05 PM
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Men’s and women’s reproduction works differently so they have different reproductive goals and risks. Women bear the majority of risk and cost of a pregnancy, so getting pregnant (and by extension, having sex) with a man who won’t stick around is a loss. Men now have to worry about paying child support, but this isn’t something ingrained in their minds from an evolutionary perspective, which is quite evident from their behavior. So to them subconsciously, there is no inherent risk in knocking up…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 06:42 PM
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To the extent that attraction extends well beyond the physical (for women especially though men as well) one need only look at the difference between attractive men and unattractive men in reproductive terms and the difference between attractive and unattractive women in reproductive terms to see that men have no built in floor. The gap between men is night and day. Between women it's minimal. When comparing less appealing mates across genders you'll find that mentally ill women reproduce much m…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 06:04 PM
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Women are wrong for being sluts, but also priviliged for having so much opportunity to behave as sluts, and entitled for not appreciating it Hedge fund managers are wrong for embezzling money, but also privileged for being in a position to handle and reap the rewards of all that money, and are entitled if they don't appreciate the benefits of holding that position (even accounting for the burden of responsibility). We do agree that they are not expected to handle the money of any old deadbeat. W…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 05:54 PM
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The two have a relationship though. Women with more legitimate options have more undesirable pump and dump suitors as well. The women with less legitimate options have less pump and dump suitors. Expanding the pool of male interest increases the odds of finding your needle in the haystack ergo there is a correlation to the ability to be pumped and dumped (whether desired or not) and the potential to find a desirable mate.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 05:31 PM
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I've known some really ugly women. They had a rough go of dating, and it took them longer than most, but they did find men whose interest they held.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 05:26 PM
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Even the people that are completely against God, family and tradition are disgruntled and unhappy but they continue blaming stuff that is decades gone like patriarchy as a form of cope even though it’s the weakest it’s ever been For real. I'm tired of stupid secular activist ideologues pretending we live in a mishmash of 1950 and 1850.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 01:09 PM
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I'm not sure we can just lay it at the feet of stupidity. People have a psychological disposition to be self centered and engage in confirmation bias. To the extent that the majority of people are not cognitively challenged, but still display basic shortcomings in critical thinking I'd say the problem likely runs deeper than just idiots (even if this sub disproportionately selects for idiots).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 04:38 PM
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It isn't that hard to learn about the new reality with an open mind and some Internet reading or podcast listening. It may not be hard to learn, but most people of all ages aren't interested in learning through a clash of world views so much as proving their pet view correct (and possibly denigrating others in the process).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 04:25 PM
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You want an honest to god answer? It's because there are no significant social consequences to fucking men over in this sphere. A fatherless child who is inadequately cared for becomes society's problem. A cuck just dies with his genetic line.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 11:37 PM
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You sound like a wonderful friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 11:34 PM
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It's so clearly not what he said. Enjoy your paranoid delusions though.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 08:07 PM
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You consistently engage in bad faith arguments by choosing the most negative possible interpretation of what was said rather than addressing what's actually said. You did it to that guy and every other person you talk to here.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 07:44 PM
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You do this to everyone on here. I've also tried being reasonable with you. You read whatever you expect to hear, and not what anybody actually writes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 05:07 PM
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You've thrown some assumptions in. The emotional satisfaction doesn't come from the woman. Men in relationships are treated as better more valid people across the board compared to men without. Also they are getting laid which has a large impact on the male psyche. The social status and pussy that comes with a relationship does not constitute emotional support on her end anymore than my dick and money constitute provisioning of emotional support on mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 04:56 PM
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This is not really in touch with reality, especially the emotional part. I hate to burst your bubble, but emotional intimacy is to men what sex is to women. Most of the opposite sex are disappointing, but for some reason think they are excelling in that arena.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 04:24 PM
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I figured you weren't. Sixty year old women deal with it. The younger ones worry about it. I said it out of impulse but I don’t actually feel like “fuck men”. It's a common enough sentiment among reproductive aged women these days that I'd expect most guys to take it seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 09:08 PM
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Sad to hear you say that, but I also understand it from the other side.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 07:17 PM
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Yes, but men experience the emotional component of romance the way women experience sexuality. Most women will only ever find a tiny handful of men who sexually satisfy her in spite of the plethora of men who can be sexually aroused by her. Most men will only ever find a tiny handful of women who emotionally satisfy him even if he has a plethora of women who can be emotionally aroused by him. So the answer is yes with the huge caveat that the woman has to be out of this world awesome in his eyes…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 08:51 PM
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Men and women both experience those things. The difference between us is that men actually recognize those as signs of horniness stripped of the romantic mythology women attach to it. From the male perspective becoming aroused is not a reward. It's just a constant irritation in need of urgent resolution, a mundane fact of life. Getting rid of that feeling is the reward.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 06:45 PM
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Because if people decided for themselves in relationship to themselves whether they were privileged or not then nobody anywhere is, would ever be, or ever has been privileged.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 06:33 PM
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Compromise was something you seemed not entirely against. Compromise involves multiple parties making a sacrifice. Giving up literally anything is a sacrifice. If you would give nothing then you can't maintain an honest stance on your willingness to compromise. As to government mandated relationships I don't support them, nevertheless at least be wary that many views which do not constitute government mandated relationships (such as culturally enforced monogomy) tend to be misrepresented by a no…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 08:56 PM
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I'm not even talking about the psychologically healthy ones. I'm not even one of those, but you haven't seen me with the black and white views. I'm saying about half the men here have more complex views than you give them credit for. It's a major barrier to productive or often even interesting discourse
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 08:46 PM
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You are still suggesting that men are largely pinning all their hopes on some mythical woman. I'm suggesting that many of them have a realistic view of what a woman can do for them and what she can't. You seem to see male views in black and white as if they all think pussy is a magic bullet for their problems. Believe you me most all know it's just a salve and more than you think have a reasonable idea of what part is their's to do. Perhaps it because men who have unrealistic notions of sexualit…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 08:40 PM
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Idk what specifically the poster you responded to was advocating for, but the literal statement that being categorically against anything which would make women worse off in any way or to any degree is identical with being categorically against compromise of any kind. The difference between a satisfactory compromise and the open violation of so called human rights is a matter of magnitude rather than a distinction in kind.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 08:35 PM
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Feminism is not egalitarianism. I'm assuming you're confusing the two. Nope. That's just demonstrably false. I can't even imagine where you got that idea. Maybe from some philosophers who've tackled some of the hard realities of human existence. Maybe from a history book that shows egalitarianism to be less than adaptive more often than not. Definitely didn't get it from some pie in sky idealist though. Egalitarianism is at best an aspiration and never at any point is it intrinsically valuable. …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 08:10 PM
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You have an atomic view of these needs. One cannot focus on a single need to the exclusion of the others. A holistic view is required and sex is part of that. simply getting a person to let you put your penis in them doesn't really fix much. If you read carefully you'll find about every other man you see complaining is talking about more than just a hole to put their dick in.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 08:07 PM
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The stereotypes aren't pulled out of peoples buttholes. If anything it's the reverse. So the stereotypes go in people's buttholes? 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 07:39 PM
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I would say the same, but the conversation has hardly been enjoyable enough for the bye to be good.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 07:36 PM
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You are full of assumptions about men, women, and me personally none of which are broadly true.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 07:35 PM
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The same could be said of any thirty plus year old woman who found those men undesirable in youth.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 07:27 PM
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You are confusing an explanation of the massive burden of performance placed on men, and its relationship to women's expectation that men bear the primary burden of responsibility in most spheres with antipathy toward women. If you'd care to draw the causal link for me than please do so because I'm not seeing how observing reality is synonymous with hating women. It strikes me as more likely that you found my observation to be an unflattering one about women and concluded that only a woman hater…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 07:23 PM
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So you're just okay with that? Is it that you don't believe that such an outcome is a realistic possibility? Something else perhaps?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 07:06 PM
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Do I have to spell it out for you? Rape. Subjugation. Authoritarianism. Go read a history book.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 06:58 PM
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I don't know where you got the idea that I or men writ large hate women. Or for that matter the notion that I am obsessing over this. You are just chock full of fallacious assumptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 06:56 PM
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I've done that my whole life out of pure instinct. Women like me fine. The one's I date really fucking like me. My friends who don't do it get cheated on. Just say you don't understand the dynamic of the sexes and move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 06:44 PM
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This doesn't seem like a good faith response to the point. You suggested something good would come of putting his head down through his twenties. Most men don't find what's available down the road to be good or desirable. Complaining really has nothing to do with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 06:41 PM
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You missed my point. When negotiations end is when the war begins and as the say all is fair in love and war.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 06:38 PM
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Egalitarianism is what created this problem in the first place. Nobody is or can actually be an egalitarian. Most are just scumbags demanding equality for themselves and none for others. I've never met more openly selfish, double standard holding, sexist, hypocrites than in a crowd of self proclaimed gender egalitarians.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 06:33 PM
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Circular reasoning. The epitome of an intellectual mind 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 06:19 PM
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It’s your own responsibility to do what’s necessary to get the outcome you want. You won't like what guys are gonna do. This is like when I talk to hardcore gun advocates. I tell them that if they want an amicable agreement on firearms in the United States which is different than what gun control advocates push then they need to come up with some better solutions which they find palatable. The alternative is the eventual demise of their gun rights altogether. In almost all situations you lose mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 06:16 PM
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Men are less interested in forcing their partners to live up to socio cultural prescriptions on average than women are of their partners. If the expectation has little to do with biology men aren't so attached to it and nails fall into that category.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 06:11 PM
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Yeah it's always fun to observe how selfish gendered perspective cause conservative men to become sexual marxists and liberal women to become far right austerity/eugenics supporting radicals when these issues come up. It really shows just how narcissistic and cognitively defective the west has become.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 06:09 PM
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We already opened Pandoras box on this one. Once you hand absolute autonomy to people they rapidly become selfish and petulant children. The one and only way to reset a societies cultural norms involves authoritarian methods in hand with traditional religious values, not unlike the means by which you raise a bratty child into a decent adult. This of course violates the one highest value in our society; the cult of the autonomous individual or more aptly the valorization of the mindset possessed …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 06:04 PM
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This idea is lost to the world of modern parenting. The current trends exist to assuage the parents anxiety and possibly give them a quick dopamine fix (helicopter and lawnmower parenting) rather than to set up the child for a successful future. As a personal example I was allowed to go nowhere, do nothing, experiment with nothing (because my parents were cheap not because they couldn't afford to let me develop a style), take no risks etc. I'm now their only child who is even capable of independ…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 05:55 PM
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Not really. Compromise is the key to a functioning society and it demands sacrifice from all involved. If you are categorically against making any sacrifice then you are categorically against any satisfactory compromise. It's a bit absurd to expect men to compromise for your wellbeing when you so obviously do not reciprocate that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 05:32 PM
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You are confusing fault with responsibility. Responsibility should be distributed within reason, but it doesn't intrinsically belong to any party. Whomever chooses to reject responsibility has left it to the other partner with that partner either picking it up or leaving it themselves. In most situations that involve a man and a woman, the woman looks to the man to pick up the primary burden of responsibility. At a practical level what she said is exactly how it works more often than not. I can'…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 04:47 PM
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That's what she described as her ideal scenario though. The man should carry the primary burden of leadership. What the poster you responded to said is the underlying implication of that desire. As a dude who naturally gravitates into that roll I can tell you it is absolutely way more responsibility and work to lead than follow and women mostly want nothing to do with it. Many young women won't even communicate with you about their expectations. Sex as a man in the style that a woman seeks which…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 12:55 PM
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To be fair, to the degree that a lot of men are easily unmoved by social pressures it's understandable that they would register such an obsession as stupidity and craziness. That being said I agree with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 08:51 PM
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Go look up porn addiction on a porn website, look at what people are watching, how they interact with content and, to the extent that it can be ascertained, what their religois beliefs are. You might be shocked.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 08:47 PM
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One of the key tenets of many strains of marxist feminism is the belief that women can only be emancipated from the patrarchal oppression of men by reforming the family structure to include women and children exclusively. It's why they support welfare programs that allow a woman to become a single mother because otherwise she might feel obligated to find a man to marry.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 08:45 PM
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Standards for men have changed, but only in the sense that they've been added to. As you correctly observed modern ideas of the atomic, autonomous individual have driven women to have the responsibilities of men dropped on them in addition to the ones they already had. Men are actually in the same boat as you in this regard. You have to be as capable as a man while still exuding femininity, and I have to do everything ever expected of a man and be capable of sliding into feminine roles all witho…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 08:34 PM
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It's unflattering. There is a common idea that women are more wholesome and less shallow then men and acknowledging that the halo effect is as prevalent among women as men doesn't uphold our zeitgeist.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 08:13 PM
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Saying they want a bangmaid is really reducing their desires to the most insulting surface level. Thanks for noticing. It feels very dehumanizing to describe in great detail and nuance what you've been seeking and have it reduced to that. Some understanding is most appreciated.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 08:09 PM
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That this call is faint if it exists at all circles back to why men are not as together as women. Very poignant.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 08:05 PM
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I have a dad who was there. My parent's marriage as a successful relationship puts more than nine out of ten marriages to shame. I've seen countless marriages and the outcomes for children involved. I've witnessed my peers engage in relationships with various dynamics. What I just told you is more or less how these relationship dynamics play out as it pertains to the children. Y'all can complain and point fingers or get on board with the solution. The choice is yours, but don't expect a differen…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 08:57 PM
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In many cases these young men have dads who are doormats for the wife. Young men have a goal of becoming reproductively viable adults and a man who is easily walked on by a woman is not a man that any woman will take seriously in the mating market or treat respectfully in a relationship. Obviously one might say how did dad reproduce then? He wasn't like this at first. Many women make men into pygmalion projects and gradually the man stoops to taking the path of least resistance in the relationsh…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 08:32 PM
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Long term reproductive success as a product of raising kids that are actually yours at the expense of your base sexual desires is a prime example of delayed gratification which is a sign of strong evolutionary fitness.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 06:42 AM
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If you didn't understand what I said and are still insisting on interpreting it as based on legal statutes in spite of my clear statements on the matter then you don't want to understand. There was no intentional vagueness on my part, only willful ignorance on yours
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 09:39 PM
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You might say that he is pointing out the reality whereby we fail to actually reward men (and to a lesser extent women) who do responsible things, and simultaneously alleviate the consequences of irresponsible behavior for both genders. The larger social consequence is that the irresponsible are rewarded by default while the responsible are at best ignored if not punished (by having to pick up the burden of the irresponsible for no reward). In the absence of prosocial incentives based on reward …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 01:28 PM
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Enforced monogomy is a practice by which a man can take only one mate. Monogomy is the normative reproductive practice in all societies, but many societies allow wealthy men to create harems. This allows a deleterious effect by which you produce many directionless and consequently dangerous young men with no romantic prospects and enable women to social climb infinitely (after all the top guy is never actually "taken"). What follows is men who become violent and women who can't get baby daddy to…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 01:16 PM
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I'm not sure I would call this a wall, but it's certainly a comparable phenomenon. That being said I don't think guys are falling behind because they waste their time with red pill content so much as their life circumstances and/or choices have caused them to fall behind which draws them to red pill content. Truthfully I believe many guys who have fallen behind have this issue because of stifling family environments. If you are unfortunate enough to be a male growing up in a household environmen…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 07:07 PM
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It isn't sharing. For the numbers to add up virtually every woman would have to be sharing a man. No statistical analysis ever shows everyone doing the same thing. It's more likely that a healthy number of them are lying about being in a relationship, first to themselves and by extension the data collectors.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 06:49 PM
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Women can command as much as they want from men with no self respect. Any self respecting man holds the attitude you responded to. Don't confuse your ability to play simps with being able to command desirable attention in the dating market. It's why so many of y'all get so upset when the men you want don't offer you whatever you're used to getting easily.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 06:32 PM
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Jokes about all types of people can be funny. Why are nun jokes inherently disrespectful? I can respect nuns and still laugh at a good a joke. Nun porn generically appeals to the idea of violation more so than being targeted as anti nun. Also at some more twisted level it taps into notions of spirituality through sexual ecstasy. If you believe in hypersexual esotericism the whore becomes the madonna and is worshipped as a conduit to divinity. No modern orthodoxy of any major religion operates th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 02:24 PM
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Single women live for themselves, and nuns live for others. Selflessness is a virtue and selfishness is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 01:56 PM
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our platonic relationships are very romantic in a way. That's why women like platonic friends and many men don't. Romantic and without sex just don't compute for a dude, and as much as women want to facetiously suggest buttfucking each other, men's sexuality is most commonly non fluid or perhaps more accurately engaging any fluidity often comes with mental and emotional damage.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 01:33 PM
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for example, born again virgins are actually expected to clean up their behavior and mentality going forward* This makes sense. The part where you said there are women who think they get to have a man with very high material and moral value to go with it sounds delusional to me. If they walked the walk they don't deserve trash, but let's be real. High expectations in this scenario are like a reformed convict expecting to become the toast of the town. Good for him but also get over yourself. I gu…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 01:27 PM
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Most redpill takes have a less sociopathic framing. Redpill is a product and edgy is in style.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 01:11 PM
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They have found happiness in their single life, and any potential partner has to compete against said peace and content. This is true for anybody who has spent enough time figuring out how to be single. If I can live the way I do now then why do I need you? I really don't think that's gendered albeit women probably have an easier time answering men to some degree. They are leveraging their social legitimacy value, which actual increase the wilder their past was. Her increased wisdom, maturity, e…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 01:03 PM
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Who said anything personal about seeking women on my own behalf? Where would you ever get the idea that anyone comes to debate subs to get pussy? Who said I was trying to transform women? Some people (however few) wish to use these subs to learn something new and hear other views. I offer views that are thoroughly explained. Also who says I give bad sex? 😏
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 03:00 PM
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Yes actually. If we bring some nuance we might recognize that in both scenarios there are a subset who did intentionally manipulate and take advantage of the other person, but it's deeply immature and reductive to assume that all such situations must have a villain when the reality is that most don't. Now that doesn't mean we can't discuss the macro problems of each genders dating strategies and requirements and what sort of impacts they have on the opposite sex, but these conversations normally…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 12:09 PM
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A great many women need a villain in order to feel like it's acceptable to be upset about something. It's a psychological self defense mechanism that when over indulged turns into malignant selfishness. It's really not that complicated.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 07:38 AM
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We're just fucked no matter what we do according to you. Stop caring what women think dude. The opinion of an irrational, hypocritical person shouldn't be your focus so much as how you are going to get what you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 04:38 PM
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The devil is in the details. People who won't interact with either depth or nuance are generally not very intelligent. My point was as clear as day. It just doesn't fit into your narrow world view, so you can't understand it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 02:42 PM
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I told you the same thing I already told you twice. I just slapped a 'no' in front of the explanation this time. Your response to that makes me think you really have bo understanding of anything I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 02:28 PM
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It's why they are all so upset we don't give out friendship like candy on Halloween 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 12:53 PM
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You are correct that everybody has the right to be disappointed. People's feelings and desires can naturally develop in assymetrical ways whcih prevent the two from adequately meeting each others needs. The problem is as follows. A great many women are of the opinion that these situations must have a victim and a villain, that they are an innocent little angel with nothing but goodness in their heart and the man was an inhuman, despicable, predatory sex beast trying to lasciviously violate her b…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 12:45 PM
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But women feeling entitled to friendship is rarely acknowledged and its been getting worse from what I've seen. For real. There are women who feel entitled to men sticking around and committing because they had sex which is already a bit much if understandable, but this shit is a whole other level when I see them essentially saying that if I bother to talk to them in a friendly fashion I'm now obligated to forver stick around and help with their life. It's like a one sided marriage contract is t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 12:24 PM
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Your question is irrelevant to your point. Your bullets are a line of non sequiturs. You think you're being rhetorically clever, but all you're doing is shoehorning. I did you one better than answering a meaningless question. I explained what was wrong with your entire line of reasoning. Your question is built on a straw man of what I said. If you are only capable of talking to the caricatures in your head and not real people with real views then you aren't ready to actually debate the validity …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 12:08 PM
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I didn't dodge the question. I pointed out that your set of advice is either commonly given by people who aren't women or is wrong. The devil is in the details and I gave you the details. The part you have wrong is men. Where we get our advice and what works. In essence you're asking the wrong question. Women's advice is mostly useless. If you want to proselytize the end of it then by all means. It just won't really change anything for you because you're focused on the wrong things.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 02:32 AM
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Bunch of typos in that response that I just edited if there was any confusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 02:16 AM
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Ok, just so we're clear... in your world the guy who doesn't take advice and is an unhygienic schlub, sneaks up on women wearing earbuds, blocks the exit, and comments on her cleavage while ignoring her body language of discomfort... You've got it completely wrong. This is a straw man. In my world guys who are totally unhygienic schlubs aren't that way because nobody told them hygiene matters. They have a mental illness which degrades their ability to care for themselves. Hygiene simply isn't so…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 02:12 AM
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No. Four is not possible unless "some" means statistical zero (something like 1 in a billion). Groom yourself This is common sense. Guys don't find this advice useful. In fact it's routinely mocked as lazy advice because it's so obvious to everyone. Don't stare too long Also common sense. Even animals know this intuitively. Don't approach from behind This isn't common advice. Also fear is an aphrodisiac and a sign of a dominant man. If you aren't a complete stranger approaching from behind is ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 12:35 AM
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Your core premise relies on the assumption that if women stopped giving advice then the subsets of men who create hurdles for you would drastically decrease in size. That means it isn't enough that point one and two are true unless they are overwhelmingly true for critical mass of men. Furthermore the only group of men under point three who have a high chance of having followed women's advice are incels (this is likely a major reason why they are incels), a group who are falsely labeled as a hur…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 11:25 PM
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Women have not given dating advice online before? Sure, but most guys aren't operating off of your advice nor could I construct a coherent playbook based on the kinds of advice women often give. For example, how do I make a playbook out of "every woman is different?" That advice is inimical to systematizing and actively discourages it in and of itself. Has there ever been any man who has taken dating advice from women ever? Absolutely, but that would hardly be sufficient to prove your point. Let…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 11:10 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/15oauco/a_lot_of_women_are_awfully_entitled_to_male/jvra4o3?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 09:39 PM
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Go read the whole thread and get back to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 09:37 PM
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Also That is such a lie. Wait to turn into the average PPD user going around accusing everyone of lying. If you're a woman just know you are behaving the same way as bad faith black pill and incel types who frequent these spaces.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 09:33 PM
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The question was whether I'd be offended. It was not whether I'd be sad. If you read my whole conversation with that user you'd see that I did say it would be sad, but that I'd rather respect his needs than force him to be something convenient for me at his own expense. If you want to argue with me then by all means do so, but I insist that you actually read what I say before you find yourself fencing against imaginary foes.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 09:32 PM
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This would have been more difficult had we not published the playbook for them to follow in the first place. You didn't publish the playbook. Men who figured it out for themselves published it for other men. Your take is wrong because it has no relationship to how the vast majority of men learn about and approach dating women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 08:18 PM
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act like it's misinformation, and they could never do such a thing. That's a key part of the strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 08:14 PM
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I would like to also point out that this example doesn't accurately map. In this case the woman actually extracted something from the man in return for nothing. In the case women complain about, the guy just wanted something sexual and/or romantic. He didn't take it and then tell her he doesn't want to be her friend. In your example the man lost something he had. In the situation we are really discussing the woman didn't actually lose anything. Your example is best compared to a pump and dump, n…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 06:00 PM
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You literally are describing the reason men walk away from these platonic relationships. You are now making my point for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 05:54 PM
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I think a woman blowing me is a reward too, but she probably doesn't feel the same way about the value being exchanged there. Obviously, as a gentleman I consider what she values rather than fixating on what I think is so fantastic. If you are having problems with friendships then considering the views and feelings of others rather than your own might be helpful for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 05:29 PM
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I get most guys are just going to say no for the sake of it, They are going to say no because that's how they feel. Stop assuming people have ulterior motives.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 05:25 PM
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Are you not disappointed for the now lack of relationships just because he wanted sex from you? Sure I would be sad, but if I truly valued him as a friend I would want him to make a decision that spares him pain and allows him to find what he's seeking Are you not offended that he doesn’t value as anything more than a hole? Who said this situation proves that? He might have valued me tremendously, as more than just a butthole, to the point where he wanted the whole package. Romance, love, gay bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 05:24 PM
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What men get back is a friend. What you don't understand about platonic opposite sex relationships is that they are very frequently one sided. Women have great expectations of friends. Being a man is an experience where everyone expects much from you, so female friendship is often just another person who you have to do labor for, or more simply it isn't really a reward. The beauty of friendships between men is that they are the only place in a man's life where he can be in a social dynamic in wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 05:12 PM
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If I said these women were going nuclear, would you take that just as literally too? I'm picturing a CIA program to infiltrate nuclear women into foreign governments who will go off if they are pushed to certain levels of hysteria lmao 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 04:54 PM
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If your best friend was gay and suddenly ghosted you because you didn’t want to have sex with him would you not feel a bit offended? No. Most guys are going to say no to this question. If he has needs that I cannot or will not meet, and he feels that a lesser relationship without that fulfillment will be more detrimental than beneficial to him then he is being perfectly reasonable and I respect his decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 04:51 PM
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This is a fair and nuanced take. The issue seem to be that when this topic is discussed in the abstract people take completely black and white views of things.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 04:38 PM
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Nope. It's literally just tool for moving goods and distributing services. People with overly individualistic ideas of morality (moral relativism, the individual reigns supreme) use it that way. Go learn about some famous capitalists. You'll see the previous generations gave back and did for the group in spite of their other shortcomings. That's a product of a different morality that no longer exists in the West.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 09:01 PM
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So you don't understand what capitalism even is. That's common among people who want to blame everything on capitalism.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 08:45 PM
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Everyone out for themselves This is actually the logical end point of liberalism, not capitalism or competition. Competition and markets grow out of biological fundaments and exist in every civilization. The cult of the individual does not.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 08:41 PM
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Yeah I'm not even trying to put anybody down. I just honestly have never seen the woman who said she was done with men for whom I found myself thinking, "wow that's so sad, I'd appreciate a gal like her." I do feel bad for a lot of women in that position, but I don't feel like I or anybody else is missing out on anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 07:16 PM
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incompetent, immature and annoying, but it is not a trait of women, it is a trait of current culture I agree with this, but it's worth noting that our culture is characterized by feminine predispositions and norms.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 07:13 PM
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Its capitalism most likely, that does this. It isn't capitalism. It's the morals (or more accurately lack thereof) we use to interact with the capitalist system.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 07:02 PM
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Those of us left who do the things you claim men don't do, you will never find. Because we avoid misandrists. Bingo. I made the choice to be the moral and upstanding man of yesteryear and have been shit all over from every side for it. Anything short of the traditional woman will not repay me the suffering I've dealt with to be the man whose existence they crave and deny. So many misandrist women open their mouths and the stupidity that comes out removes themselves from that type of guy's relati…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 06:35 PM
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When she could have someone like you that would pay for her. A lot of women can't have that. You only get it if men view you as worthy of it. Many of us don't view most modern women as worthy, so we reserve genuinely desirable behavior for genuinely desirable women. Honestly if this is a problem you are encountering in your own life maybe you should consider that you may be the undesirable one in your relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 06:29 PM
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Ikr 😂 These claims have been widely debunked yet for some reason they still make their rounds even in the academy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 06:27 PM
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Compared to what, Ah, one of the most important questions that unfortunately rarely gets asked.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 06:25 PM
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That's the reality of hookup culture. Go take a deep dive. You'll find that sex writ large is common and fairly equitably distributed in monogamy cultures and uncommon and disproportionately distributed in promiscuity culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 06:23 PM
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Honestly the women I've seen saying this are doing guys a favor.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 05:59 PM
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Look I'm done with this topic. I haven't advocated for a test and nobody has taken what I've said in good faith. If you won't respond to what I actually said then there is nothing more to bother with here.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 03:15 AM
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You couldn't be more wrong about me hon 😂 Negging is obviously not a tool in your box.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 09:29 PM
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I didn't open the thread, read through all of the comments and contextualise your comment based on all of that. I got your reply in my inbox, and replied to it. Comments are part of a context but also need to stand alone. Lady you replied to me first. If you want to butt into an already ongoing discussion that's fine, but it's your job to keep up with the context. Ah I understand now. You think the previous status quo where women weren't expected to have autonomy or enjoy sex was preferable. I t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 08:37 PM
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Within the context of this thread, OPs method is a shit test I'm endlessly amazed at how people can read down a thread and respond without following the chain of conversation in the thread. OP's shit test hasn't been the primary topic since my first response to the top level comment. The topic immediately shifted to why men like OP come up with stupid ideas like that, and what women can do about it. If you have constructed an alternative reality that is not based in reality, there's no way I can…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 08:15 PM
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Shit testing is a case of 'play stupid games, win stupid prizes'. Not all methods are shit tests. The most effective indicators men need to look out for are merely observational. Women don't like this either, but they never know so it's irrelevant. I think that this is a phantom. Okay. A claim with neither explanation or evidence. You're free to think whatever you want, but I can't interact with something this thin unless you are looking for an "uh-huh, nuh-uh" kind of conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 08:00 PM
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Well, if you so badly misrepresent my views based on your reading "skills" I don't have high hope for your students. Besides, English professor? That's supposed to make me respect your intellect? Honey, you're a glorified babysitter for overgrown children. The only thing adorable here is that you think you're bragging.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 07:02 PM
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I don't speak irrelevant gibberish. Try again.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 06:28 PM
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A yes. All three women in the universe have spoken. We now know. 🙄 Look lady you are obviously dumb as a brick if you think three people saying something proves anything. I don't enjoy conversations with imbeciles so please stop bothering me.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 06:13 PM
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this isn’t in my best interest. It actually is, but I'm not going to convince you of that. or god forbid, actually having sex with only 1 person in our lives lol). This is why it doesn't benefit you. Because you wanted to be promiscuous. My advice isn't for you because you aren't different from the kind guys try to avoid. What is in my best interest is for the woman’s place in the society to become more elevated than it currently is. Lopsided gender dynamics are not in the best interest of eithe…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 04:53 PM
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Women are valued for a uterus and it's reproductive value yes. It means they have a valuation floor and won't be at major risk of disposal until old age or if they ruin their bodies prematurely. I explicitly said this wasn't glamorous. It is one step above men's floor It is the most painful experience a human can have and, historically speaking, just as deadly as any war. And more frequent. It isn't even close to the most painful. You obviously know nothing about physical violence, torture, or a…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 04:48 PM
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I can't be denying something if it isn't and wasn't ever factually true. Go interact with traditional people from traditional cultures. Your false caricatures are tiresome. Stop bothering me.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 04:44 PM
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If you want to proselytize a religion go somewhere else. Your feminist dogma couldn't be further from the truth and it makes you a complete waste of time to interact with.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 04:39 PM
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Even if we wanted to, women are not a monolith, we can’t collectively decide a certain course of action and force each and every one to follow. I didn't say you could police other women. I said you can differentiate yourself from other women. We wouldn’t keep dating someone who tried to push for sex, especially on the first date Nowhere have you seen me argue in favor of OPs strategy. Talk to the person in front of you about what they actually said. Even if we really wanted to have sex with him …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 04:36 PM
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Women are loved on the condition of providing sex. Not on having a uterus. Because sex and uteri have nothing to do with one another. 🙄 Women were oppressed and kept under control for having a uterus. It’s why they weren’t allowed in public life in the past and still aren’t in many cultures. To ensure their children belong to their husband. This is just feminist claptrap. If you like mythology I recommend Mongolian mythology. It's a much more enjoyable fiction.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 03:07 PM
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Gotta agree with this one. If I made two lists if the men I know, one from most to least misogynistic and one from most to least successful with women they'd be practically identical. What I see a lot of is women being burned by these guys and then using the guys they normally ignore as a punching bag for their frustrations with men. The way we've balkanized sex and gender reminds me of the social dynamic in the antebellum south.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 02:26 PM
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And my point (the one she missed) was for women who are offended by his strategy (which I explicitly did not endorse). If promiscuous and non promiscuous women blend in with each other then men will resort to a variety of measures to tell the two apart, some functional, some not, all offensive to women. Women can avoid dealing with his by clearly delineating the two groups. Ironically it's the chaste women who have been convinced to not differebtiate themselves. The sluts always have and always …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 01:27 PM
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Somehow you can type English, but reading it is still a struggle for you....
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 01:20 PM
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I didn't argue that OP has the best test. I explicitly said otherwise. I argued that if women don't want to be caught up in these stupid tests then they should create clear boundaries between the "sluts" and the "nice girls." Alternatively they can complain about it and do nothing which will lead to them being caught up in men's games.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 01:19 PM
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That's a promiscuous woman. Which as you said is common. My point exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 12:33 PM
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Why don’t you just wait for the pictures to become more clear rather than trying to make a split second judgement? Who said anything about split second judgement? If anything I'm slow to judgement as I confine judgement to the empirical in lieu of vibes. The issue is that the picture is intentionally blurry. When women who would never cheat defend the justifications of cheaters the picture becomes blurry. When women who don't believe in promiscuity defend promiscuity the picture becomes blurry. …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 08:53 PM
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Absolutely. Women are out to selfishly get theirs without admitting to themselves that's what they are doing. The damage they do along the way is just incidental. The Great Gatsby is actually a fantastic book in which this idea features prominently. At any rate the damage that is done is done regardless of intent. Hitting a pedestrian by accident doesn't get you off; it just gets you a manslaughter charge. The big difference between men and women is that men will fuck you over with the knowledge…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 08:22 PM
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you don't need to listen to my argument You didn't make one. some irrelevant red pilled nonsense. Not red pill. Also highly relevant to what you said. I don't care what like you or OP want. I never said anything about who I am or what I want. I don't date people like you You don't know anything about me because I'm not making this whole thing personal, but that being said it's a tad presumptuous of you to assume I'd want someone so obviously dimwitted and emotionally frail. You're projecting her…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 08:11 PM
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You're saying women need to bend over backwards to prove their not whores If you think making who you are apparent to a potential suitor is bending over backward you must be either very lazy or incompetent at small tasks. That's not even what the post is about and it has nothing to do with what I said either. What you said was that you don't want to deal with men who do what OP said he does. I offered you an alternative to clear up confusion on the part of men who themselves are vetting for wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 07:26 PM
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Bingo. We have a winner. Women don't lie to us. They lie to themselves. We are just collateral damage along the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 07:16 PM
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You obviously have a reading comprehension problem if that's what you took away from my comment, but yeah I'm the ignorant dolt here 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 07:04 PM
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You missed the point. You don't like his strategy? Fair enough. If you want to preempt men from pursuing stupid strategies to differentiate between easy women and relationship women then do the differentiating for him. Women today refuse to do this and then complain about guys like OP. My sympathy for y'all disappears when you expect men to tell the difference between two intentionally blurry pictures using only absolutely ethical methods which those pictures are designed to confuse, or as Dave …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 07:00 PM
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You're not making an important distinction here. Women want men who are taller than them. Men tend to not care about height so much at a conscious level, however you try living life as man who isn't absurdly tall and you'll be inundated with messaging (from women) about how important height is. Being taller than her is requirement and less is a dealbreaker. Most men have been told (by women) since they were first a pubescent boy that women have no interest in men shorter than themselves. Just be…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 06:46 PM
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That's fair, but then the onus is on you to be able to show that you aren't/weren't that kind of woman. While the OP's strategy is not one I pursue it does make some sense. Unfortunately we live in a culture that makes it easy for loose women to blend into the crowd, and many of them are perfectly willing to lie to a man about their proclivities if it gets them the relationship they desire. Maybe to say it simply if women want to treated as an individual rather than a collective they must become…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 06:28 PM
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men have only recently started expressing what they actually want from women besides quietness, sex, and housework Try reading some great works of literature. Maybe watch a great old school movie. Maybe read excerpts from a religious text. What men want from women is and has been everywhere. A woman need only be willing to open her eyes. Men haven't just recently started talking. We just recently lived in a society that told men what we want isn't acceptable and for some reason told women that r…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 05:34 PM
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I'm talking about how men talk to each other The things men complain about in public spaces where women can hear have nothing to do with those expectations whatsoever. Bad wife jokes are about annoying nagging that wives do, not about her silence or subservience.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 04:28 PM
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Women are loved conditionally on the basis of having a uterus which they have by default. Men are unique in that we are loved only for something outside of us in its entirety. Maybe being valued as a reproductive vessel isn't glamorous, but it does provide a valuation floor which men don't have. One could say this proverb isn't technically correct about the conditions, but it is correct to draw a unique distinction between how men access love versus the other listed groups
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 02:53 PM
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Where the fuck are you seeing the message of be quiet, subservient, and sexually receptive being pushed in today's society? I've seen nothing but the opposite and to take it a step further when I've been around people from traditional backgrounds their messaging doesn't even reflect this.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 02:08 PM
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You've described the negative feedback loop we find ourselves in. Of course men don't really love women who are there for what they provide. As a PSA to all the ladies if you wait at the finish line like a trophy then you will be traded in for a shinier trophy down the line.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 02:04 PM
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Have we considered that the demise of gender norms is actually a major cause of female pickiness and male failure? If women care so much about a partner fitting into a particular box then it should follow that they'll have a harder time picking without a prescribed box and that men will have a harder time fitting into every woman's specific hyper individualized idea of what that box is.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 01:33 PM
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If you understand the differences between men and women (what one has the other needs) then you'd understand why non romantic/sexual love is so meaningful for women and the exact opposite is the case for men. Your advice is like telling a fish out of water to just get all their oxygen from the air as if it's all the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 01:30 PM
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Men's role hasn't changed, society just added more tasks to the list What's conspicuous about the so called "gender egalitarian movement" is that it's presented to women as a buffet of traditional and non traditional options to be selected at their convenience. In practice this means traditional roles for the man and non traditional roles for the women. Basically you hit the nail on the head. We are how expected to carry a man's burden, and pick up her burden so that she can walk free of inconve…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 01:27 PM
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a life without love isn’t worth living Your post has a nice sentiment, but maybe don't give this advice to people with mental health issues who belive that they will never be loved.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 12:29 PM
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As an attractive 24 year old woman who has never been turned down for sex before, This difference of experience and expectation should clear up any confusion on your part. Many men don't experience casual sex and most (including many successful ones) expect to be turned down more often then not. Because you've experienced and can consistently expect to be offered casual sex , the social validation that comes with sexual attention isn't tied to the sex directly. You know you are socio-sexually va…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 12:05 PM
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Loser guys are desperate for validation that they have social value. They can't get that validation from easy sex so they dismiss it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 11:58 AM
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The only men who enjoy being reduced to utility role and nothing more are mentally ill and have no self respect. Millions of men are indeed spineless, mentally unwell losers not unlike women who stay with guys using them for nothing more than sex. Being a husband isn't a problem. Being viewed as husband material isn't a problem. Being reduced to nothing more than that is a problem, and it's more commom than women in these parts want to acknowledge. Like I've said, some of you may mean all the ot…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 12:30 PM
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How does a woman square her desire to express that she wants him for a lifemate in all respects -- sexual, familial, legal, etc. -- with his way of feeling it? Just listen to what they say they want, figure out what need underlies that desire, and then find a way to fulfill that need as requested or through an alternative method of your proposal which is mutually agreeable to both parties. Frankly the answers to every specific category you listed are all out there for any woman willing to listen…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 09:54 PM
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So let's set straight what a husband is and isn't. A husband isn't a forever partner. A husband is a specific role which ideally lines up with a forever partner (it's own role) . A hole is also for fufilling a specific role (and at some point ideally lines up with a forever partner). If you reduce someone to either role it isn't seeing a person in totality, which feels dehumanizing. I'm not saying that women don't feel love for husbands. I'm saying that if you can't show it to him in a way they …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 09:43 PM
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i think the hangup is that i don’t see relationships or marriage as transactional. relationships should be reciprocal but there shouldn’t be a score keep on who does what and who does this. Reciprocity is inherently transactional in spite of the absence of score keeping. The reciprocity you are describing where the transaction can remain unacknowledged and unaccounted is only possible on a basis of trust that the score won't get out of hand and would add up relatively well if totaled. This trust…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 09:30 PM
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It's a great story because of the lengths he goes to show his love for her. If all he did was just feel love without acting in a way that elicited her desire it wouldn't be much of a story at all. I'm describing reciprocity. Women just saying how they feel about a husband is not the same thing as showing love to that husband and for the practical purposes of a relationship that love has to be shown in a way that he feels it. In the same vein, all women don't necessarily feel loved just because a…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 09:16 PM
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I'd be happy to clear up your confusion, but I'm not sure exactly what you're confused about. Could you be more specific?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 08:29 PM
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It is. For some reason we've allowed the female sex drive to attempt to redefine husband as synonymous with lover, soulmate etc. That's not a husband. It's a broader category under which a husband might fall, but it hardly defines what a husband is.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 08:28 PM
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i think we just see marriage differently. i wouldn’t get married if i saw marriage the way you do. So let me get this straight. You wouldn't get married if you saw the basis of marriage as exchanging what your partner wants for what you want? How do you think it works? You just show up and get yours without consideration for him? The reverse where you give in return for nothing? The issue I'm getting at is that just because a woman puts a husband on a pedestal doesn't mean that the pedestilizati…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 08:26 PM
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The activity is provisioning and protecting. The sex object activity is sex and child birth/rearing. It's the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 07:50 PM
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You've missed the point. Men consider "wow, what a hot piece of ass" to be a big compliment too, but I guarantee that his view of how awesome that compliment was isn't what matters when he goes around applying it to women. Husbanding, is responsibility and hard work. Believe me men don't feel flattered when we are reduced to nothing more than the provisioning of physical and emotional goods to women and their children. Humans love others for what they do for us. We show love by what we do for ot…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 07:49 PM
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If his value is "husband material" that isn't being seen as a whole person unless you think husbanding is all a man is. It's exactly the same as being viewed as a sex object. It's you who evidently doesn't understand, and it's not on us to bend to how you perceive your narrowly focused desires anymore than it's on women to bend to men's narrow sexual desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 07:43 PM
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Oh we are very much on the same page about how men should set boundaries and expectations for a relationship early on, but I was under the impression that this post was about the social double standard and not whether men should or shouldn't cave to that standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 04:45 PM
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Blaming the dudes and criticizing the hypocritical standards aren't mutually exclusive. Like you, I blame the dudes, but I'll be fucked sideways before I let anyone tell me to blame the dudes instead of pointing out that this behavior is normalized for women and stigmatized for men. Both problems deserve acknowledgement and correction.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 04:33 PM
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It amazes me that the women who wait at the finish line handing themselves out like trophies think they'll be treated as anything other than an object.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 02:08 PM
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But there’s something, I don’t know what, that separates late bloomers from femcels. I think we often underestimate how much others affect people's lives. I would venture a guess that late bloomers had someone offer them a hand at some point whether it was a friend who helped them glow up or a member of the opposite sex finally displaying attraction that dispels their misconceptions of self (or even in a tough love sense someone letting them know just how ugly they'll remain unless they fix some…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 05:51 PM
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Gotta love the combination of ego + low iq in this place. I assume in your case it's self love.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 01:13 PM
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I follow some psychology publications, and I can say that the whole field is an incredibly mixed bag. Some stuff is fantastic, some people are great, and others are hacks, con artists, ideologues, and imbeciles. To your point though there is most definitely a wing of psychology poisoned by feminist affirmation and blaming rhetoric. When people in a purportedly scientific field offer up "we know" statements on vague sociological concepts with no supporting data or evidence it's telling.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 04:14 AM
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Moving goalposts? Hardly. Your statement laid a specific behavior at the feet of men when such a behavior was neither confined to gender nor romantic relationships. You're obviously dense, but let me spell it out for you. Gendering non gendered behavior isn't productive discourse. You claimed that their reasoning can amount to nothing, but that makes no sense. If something is an issue, it cannot also amount to nothing. These two statements contradict each other. A little slow are we? No problem.…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 10:21 PM
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I never said that this approach applies only to romantic relationships. You went on a whole rant about how men use this particular strategy in romantic relationships when everyone uses this strategy in all relationships. Your man focused raving in the initial comment was unnecessary. Divorce is a serious matter, and the reasons behind it are hardly ever insignificant, as you suggest. If they were insignificant, it would not be an issue to begin with. If you've never met anyone who blows stuff up…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 12:30 PM
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if you ever hear , "I'm doing it for myself" The one crazy chick I dated said this. We had some dispute, and I told her I appreciated something she was doing on my behalf to curb a particular negative behavior of hers that I had indicated discomfort with. She responded by telling me that she would never do anything for me and that she was "doing it for herself." She was all kinds of toxic. Definitely dark triad.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 12:01 PM
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The one thing I learned from this whole thing is that, apparently, most of the women I've dated are "abusive." For real. I actually don't know a single man who has set these kind of boundaries for his partner, but I know many men whose partners have set these boundaries for them. Nobody speaks up in this scenario. It's generally treated as normal for a man to have to assuage a woman's insecurities.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 11:56 AM
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Once you've fully endorsed feminist rhetoric you realize there are no offenses a woman can commit in this ideology. The world is her oyster and all choices are available to her free of judgement, or so some believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 11:54 AM
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he weaponized therapy language I find this to be an interesting claim. It really comes across to me that a segment of women believe therapy language is exclusively to justify themselves and their own actions. It reads almost as if someone is saying, "how dare you use my weapons against me."
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 11:46 AM
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I'd pump the breaks on that assumption. I've seen that phenomenon cut both ways across the gender divide and women controlling their boyfriends and husbands social lives to that extent is substantially less controversial.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 11:41 AM
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So true. As I've discovered how to actually attract women it's caused me to lose all respect for them. They are so easy to play, and have no interest in the socially desirable qualities they go on about.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 11:47 AM
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It is important to recognize that just because something is considered "common," it does not necessarily mean that it is not problematic. Ignoring or dismissing problems may only serve to temporarily bury them, rather than truly solve the underlying issue. While certain behaviors or actions may be tolerated in one type of relationship or dynamic, they may not be appropriate or effective in another. You missed my point. I'm saying this phenomenon extends way beyond men or romantic relationships. …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 01:47 AM
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why human stagnation took place in the dark ages. When religious powers seized all control in Europe. So if everyone turned to religion and we all placed faith in something someone simply makes up based off nothing. Then well, boy we might be in some trouble especially if we just look at history. Go read some medieval history. This statement is almost entirely incorrect. You are juat propagating a historical myth that makes modern people feel superior to those who came before them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 09:01 PM
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In my experience in all artistic and arts adjacent fields these people are rarely... mentally well individuals, so intelligent or not they partake in vices as you mentioned, and I am all too well aware of.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 08:55 PM
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Maybe I'm just misunderstanding your semantic choices and we are saying the same thing, but it strikes me that people over compute classic BP characteristics in people who fit RP characteristics. I cannot even begin to count all the times I've seen men and women ascribe BP traits to someone who doesn't have them, but exudes obvious RP energy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 08:16 PM
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What you are describing is common in all relationships. For example this is the normal answer given by parents whose children have estranged them. That being said not all reasons are good. We may say that the statement, "for no reason," dismissed the validity of whatever her reason was, but before we even get to that part we have to evaluate the reason first, leaving open the possibility that her reason is sufficiently poor as to amount to nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 08:10 PM
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I'm a professionally trained musician and let me tell you that as many as I have known musicians are generally not very intelligent people. Rather our art is arcane, and demanding of fine skills. To an outsider we seem classy, suave sophisticated, and intelligent. Truthfully the average musician is a boneheaded degenerate on the intellectual level of the average construction worker, but with a nicer vocabulary.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 07:32 PM
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Actually alimony was always for the wealthy. A working class family simply couldn't afford the expense of the divorce. Because neither man nor woman at this economic strata had access to a great education or specialized skills, the woman wasn't giving any opportunity up by being married and in the home. Likewise that man couldn't expect to trade up for a newer better model because he couldn't afford it anyway. Enter rich people. The man can continually trade in for a new wife because he has enou…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 05:05 PM
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The idea that women couldn't do any work is a modern fantasy Well if we tell the truth that highly competent women did many of the things a man did professionally, and that women could legally work non sex related jobs, but didn't whenever they had husbands who could earn for them it kind of destroys the whole "women were historically oppressed and excluded from a patriarchal society," claim that garners so much social capital.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 04:57 PM
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May I ask where you are from? I belive there is a cultural disconnect here.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 12:02 AM
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I more or less agree with everything you said here, but I'm curious about this. i think still says a lot about things like the male gaze and male entitlement I can see the male gaze bit sure, but what does this really say about male entitlement?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 11:32 PM
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If someone genuinely didn't understand that would be one thing, but she knew what I was saying without the explanation.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 09:20 PM
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My main point is that the sexual behavior of both genders needs constraining, always has. And that we probably need more restraint for both genders than we have now. On this we firmly agree. I would not expect our modern moral intuitions to perfectly align with equal morality for the genders, however we defined the terms, just because almost nothing is equal. I would expect that no particular moral facet would be innately equal between the genders even in the absence of social conditioning, but …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 05:37 PM
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Apologies for my insistence, but to the extent that we are socio-biological I still am not sure this direct sexualty vs tangential social dimorphism distinction has practical value. If we know that all social organisms are built on a biological chassis, and that the organims exists to serve the genes rather than the other way around then it seems apparent that social and sexual behavior have a fluid relationship with one another. To be clear it isn't that I don't see the distinctions you are mak…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 04:51 PM
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I actually prefer history books and a solid grasp of language, but Google's cool too.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 04:26 PM
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