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<image> Ok the photo got instaflagged by reddit so I'll have to cut out the actual profile screenshot. For context, It's a dating app profile with the prompt "All I ask is that you: love and fuck me like the men in my books do" I completely agree. Men who are neurotic about "whores" should just look for women that are neurotic about sex. There's no inherent benefit in the opposite direction so they's still have to figure out a way to make it attractive for the women, but on a pure valuematch lev…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 10:43 PM
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There's better ways of screening out trad women anyway. And filtering out women who try to pay first is the perfect way to screen out transactional women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 10:41 PM
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Many such cases
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 10:39 PM
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Depends how it's done
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 06:36 PM
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Some women are asexual, and some asexual people struggle to understand how allosexual people engage with sex on a fundamental level
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 05:47 PM
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The difference is that when inkwells victimise themselves they frame it as opposition. They believe women are somehow denying them sex, and that this is bad because they should be entitled to sex, and therefore women bad. It is a framework that ultimately serves to paint women as villains. The kind of victimisation in the screenshot doesn't really involve any conflict. There's not really any negativity attributed to people taking men away from them (if there is anyone at all), it is entirely cen…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 05:37 PM
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<image> Many such cases
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 03:27 PM
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<image> Many such cases
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 03:26 PM
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<image> As usual, the average woman will portray herself as a defenceless, pitable victim if you even suggest they don't date men. Misandry is not real.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 03:22 PM
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It very clearly does for women
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 01:44 PM
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Good for them
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 12:42 PM
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What kind of man is more likely to want to be a feminist ally, a man whom women have been nice to, or one they've been mean to? The kind of man who believes in women's rights
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 12:37 PM
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<image> Literal child speak
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 01:34 AM
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<image> "Lead someone on" "Forced into a situationship" = failed covert contract Every time
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 01:32 AM
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<image> There is no such things as "being forced into a situationship"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 01:29 AM
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I hear nuclear energy can do this or that but if we need literal nuclear reactors to sustain our consumption habits Why? There's consumption demand, and there's reliable, economical and safe technology that can supply that demand. Why can't nuclear be a valid source? Is it just geberic anti-nuclear fearmongering?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 09:45 PM
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He's overreacting. Even if he truly just doesn't want you doing anything with his selfies without permission (which is a pretty tight boundary), it's really on him to make something so restrictive clear beforehand instead of this passive aggressive response after the fact
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 09:43 PM
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It is bizarre how some women in this sub vouch for friendships and connections beyond romantic relationships (which I agree with), yet also act as if romantic relationship are the only true way of connecting with someone whenever men say they would rather just be friends than have asexual relationships with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 08:57 PM
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For example, imagine both partners could contribute financially, divide housework and childcare based on availability and preference, take turns initiating dates and making plans, and support each other emotionally without either person being expected to be “the provider” or “the homemaker” simply because of their gender. This is already how my relationship is. I prefer it, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 08:54 PM
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The prompt is irrelevant. You're the one that implied being single is being alone
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 08:53 PM
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This is an extremely strange form of black and white thinking. Why is not being in a relationship default to being alone? Do you think friends and family are just an incomplete facsimile of relationships? Do you think love is impossible within these dynamics unless they call each other boyfriend and girlfriend?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 08:31 PM
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Being settled for is a probpem beyond sex. A relationship with someone who doesn't like you is worse in every way than one with someone who does.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 08:23 PM
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Wonder what the responses would be if the scenario was flipped
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 05:50 PM
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I've seen some me online do it
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 03:42 PM
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Homophobia and biphobia usually
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 03:32 PM
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I find men that do the whole "ohhhh men never forget their first love" thing unbelievably cringe. It combines like everything I hate. Mysticism, midwittery, performativeness, and being pathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 03:32 PM
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No one is "pretending" these things are difficult. There are resources for putting up shelves and such all over the internet, including the tiktok itself. Any woman who doesn't put up a shelf because she supoosedly doesn't know how to, simply doesn't want to put in the work to put up the shelf and is using her incompetence as a get out of jail free card.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 01:27 PM
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<image> Is this weaponized incompetence?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 12:27 PM
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I mean it's big but not like super human
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 11:17 AM
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She's not that attractive though?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 10:48 AM
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Rich women can certainly get the equivalent experience as a rich man.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 10:45 AM
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"Dating" and "hanging around" are not the same thing
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 09:42 AM
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Platonically? Sure. Romantically? No
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 09:39 AM
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Drake kinda goes againat a lot of TRP lore regarding status. You can be loaded and globally recognised and it won't unlame a lame.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 12:33 AM
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<image> It's so funny when PUA accounts don't mention of the relevant outcomes. Who gives a fuck about photo strips? Did he get laid? How often? How many wanted to date him further? Were any of the girls a good time? Always keep watch for people who are talking about dating for dating's sake. If the date was boring and ended with you going home alone and with the girl not wanting to see you again, the date was worthless.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 12:31 AM
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What do you mean by necessary evil? Two men can have sex without penetration. Why do you think they choose to do it? Do you think any gay man who says he enjoys it, whether topping kr bottoming, is simply lying? Do you think any woman, lesbian or straight, who claims she likes it is lying too?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 02:09 PM
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<image> I think this person is good intentioned but I think they are kind of missing the forest for the trees. It's not a coincedence that there are women who still have this transactional attitude. The sexual revolution happened a long time ago. Multiple generations have grown up in a time where at least vaguely healthy views of sex are common and the standard fare. I don't think these women were left behind and simply need teaching. I think these women are simply asexual and have either repres…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 02:06 PM
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I don't understand your question. What "it" are you referring to?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 10:28 AM
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At what point what is?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 10:23 AM
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It's not a lack of options though. There is always a good option available. Choosing a bad option instead of a good option is a skill issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 10:21 AM
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A single person having consensual sex with someone isn't bad behavior
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 10:20 AM
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Yeah. They want hot, fun and exciting guys
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 10:16 AM
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Obvious chip-on-the-shoulder posting aside, what is anal sex in a homosexual relationship? Is a woman that wants to have anal sex with her female partner "mentally disturbed"? Is a man that wants to have anal with his male partner a "saidst"?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 10:15 AM
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Yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 10:10 AM
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You can always choose to be single.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 10:09 AM
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Both people in a relationship can be the prize
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 10:56 PM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 10:55 PM
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I mean, I just pay because it's easier. It's a small treat for both of us, the last thing I have energy for on a first date is arguing over how to split the cost of a coffee. It's also an easy filter for transactional women. If they treat chump change as an IOU you can already tell it's not going tk work out.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 07:28 PM
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<image> Q4A: Thoughts? Even as a proponent of liberal break-ups and that once you break up it's none of your ex's business what you do, I am conflicted. This scenario feels like a scummy loophole more than people operating in clear and concrete ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 04:14 PM
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Except no one said anything about being bored. You added that yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 01:02 PM
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Ah well that's the thing isn't it. When the woman breaks up, it's because of long-standing issues that he should've seen coming. When the man breaks up he just got bored and it doesn't mean anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 12:25 PM
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Oh seems like my screebshot didn't load. <image> Clearly she's surprised
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 12:02 PM
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A lot of PPD women seem invested in the "he's acting like his divorce came out of nowhere" bit but to me it's always been women that take breakups worse. A lot of women have a strange sense of entitlement of thinking everything should follow their preffered relationship timeline rigorously. Official when they want, marriage when they want, break up only when they want it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 11:16 AM
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Yes. Men should take accountability for the women they choose to date
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 10:56 PM
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it appears that women are supposed to be taking accountability for the way men treat them Women have a huge degree of control over which men they allow around them and how they allow themselves to be treated so... yes? What's the issue?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 10:30 PM
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How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 07:53 PM
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Saying sorry but then still blaming outside factors and acing like there's nothing to be done isn't taking accountability. It's not about apologising, it's about being aware and accepting that one is an effectual actor and that those actions directly lead to specific impacts.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 07:50 PM
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What is your understanding of what MeToo is/was, in your own words? A trend in which women collectively spoke about about abuses and sexual harassment they've experienced, including at the hands of powerful men. Do you think MeToo had any legitimate focus or purpose? If so, what? Sure. It's worthwhile for women who have been abused to feel comfortable sharing their experiences. What (if anything) would you have preferred instead of MeToo? I don't have anything I'd prefer? It was a social trend, …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 04:31 PM
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struggling socially or having high anxiety and neuroticism These are extreme red flags.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 01:55 PM
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The advantage is ugly people treat attractive men well, while ugly people treat attractive women with bitterness
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 01:20 PM
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<image> This is part of why being an attractive man is better than being an attractive woman. Attractive people want attractive people, so in that direction it's equivalent. But for attractive men, ugly men want to be you, and ugky women damn near revere you. Contrast with being an attractive woman. Ugly men of course want you, but it's likely to come with drawbacks. We all know how ugly men can feel about attractive women not dating them. At the same time, ugly women will have this sort of bitt…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 01:05 PM
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Yeah, which is why complaining about "self-rejection" seems silly to me. It seems like an extremely pompous way to assert that everyone should try to date you even with no indication that there's mutual interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 01:00 PM
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So like I expected, the line is arbitrary and is just whether they actually like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 12:44 PM
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Many TRPers argue being nice is an active hindrance
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 12:38 PM
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Yeah, that account frequently types like a larper
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 11:18 AM
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<image> A few of the comments tlaked about self-rejecting, which made me think. What's the line between self rejecting, and simply "knowing your league"? I think I already know the answer but does anyone have any ideas?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 10:31 AM
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<image> The looks and sociability pill is important because as far as I know it's the only willing to accept that something simply isn't a factor. When you have a need, as seen here, to twist everything into a boon or bane, you end up missing the forest for the trees. It's why TRP often falls into theory of everything midwittery. It's why TRP lends itself to grifting. It is only when you are comfortable with accepting that some things simply don't matter and have no effect that you can truly hon…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 02:30 AM
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So why aren't out on the street right now mugging someone?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 02:19 AM
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A lot of people do the free love date whoever you want thing on the surface just because it's politically correct. In practice an unfortunate amount of people are perfectly happy and willing to police people's relationships if they feel they have some sort of relevance to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 09:53 PM
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Calories in, calories out. Diet of fish, veggies, beans, eggs and lean meat for the former. Then the second depends on whether you just want to lose a lot of absolute weight or lower body fat. For the former you do a looooooot of cardio. For the latter any good workout plan will do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 08:02 PM
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You can control for opportunity by looking at the rates of cheating between very attractive men and very attractive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 07:52 PM
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Misnadrists aren't real
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 07:50 PM
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It's called the just world fallacy for a reason
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 07:49 PM
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Larp
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 07:48 PM
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<image> Genuinely, where did this idea that someone who doesn't preemptively disclose every single factoid and aspect of their life immediately is being dishonest? The replies are pushing back on OP so I'm not acting like it's everyone but regardless OP believes it and I see it pop up here and there. Is it a form of insecurity? A lot of people approach dating as if it's a game to see who manages to get one over the person, so is it just fear that if they don't know every detail they'll be the on…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 07:48 PM
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I am. It doesn't change my stance at all. Men aren't any more entitled to relationships than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 04:45 PM
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Okay? That has absolutely nothing to do with my point
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 04:45 PM
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I have no interest in the chase. I don't have time to convince anyone to like me when there's people who like me to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 04:16 PM
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I don't recall any point that the definition of communication was the focus of the conversation
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 04:10 PM
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Gymbros aren't talking to women. They're too busy tracking macros and arguing about splits
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 04:08 PM
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Your case seems to be that you want to avoid any of the actual discussion for the sake of gotchas and word games
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 04:07 PM
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why would they? Because B told them. Why are you being willfully obtuse? I clearly state that communication is a useful tool. Why aren't you engaging with the actual point instead of cherrypicking?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 04:03 PM
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The misunderstanding was the problem. Communication helped arrive at the solution (addressing the misunderstood premise), but it wasn't the solution itself. And let's be honest, how often are the dating problems people actually think about just misunderstandings?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 02:54 PM
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so lets say person A leaves their shoes lying around. Person B doesn't like that. Then A needs to stop leaving their shoes, B needs to just accept it, or they have to stop leaving together. Communication can help to begin solving their issues, but it doesn't actually provide any solution itself. A might be able to convinced that they shouldn't leave their shoes lying around, but ultimately the problem isn't actually solved until A physically takes that step to stop leaving their lying around. Co…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 02:51 PM
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Successful couples make compromises which is easier if you have good communication skills. Correct. Communication isn't the actual resolution. It's a method towards a method of a resolution.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 02:36 PM
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what do you think communication is? Talking, exchanging information. Dating problems don't stem from a lack of information. They stem from contradictions How do you think "changing your mind" works? Someone is convinced, or sees new information, or simply does some soul searching and decides to change their view on something
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 02:35 PM
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<image> Some time ago someone in the daily asked about women vs men gaslighting and I think this is a wonderful example of the difference. Male gaslighting is straightforward (i think that'd be the word?). It requires little investment and therefore casts a wide net. You can get caught in it through reasonable good faith. The weakness is it's easy to break out of. It only requires a few errors of reasoning to get caught, but an equally few re-examinations to break out of. As you can see here, fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 01:28 PM
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communication can help to reveal it. The crucial part is that at some point you need to stop revealing and start solving. A revealed problem isn't any less harmful than an unknown one. Communication is merely a means towards a means.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 01:12 PM
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I wanted to comment on this but I couldn't find the words for it. I completely agree with you. Most dating problems ultimately stem from a contradiction. Person A wants Option X and not Y, while Person B wants Option Y and not X, and yet A and B want to date each other. There is a fundamental, irreconcilable conflict here that cannot be solved through communication. The only resolution is to address that fundamental conflict and it's premises. Either A changes their mind about X, B changes their…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 12:57 PM
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<image> The comments largely agree with OP
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 11:15 AM
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Ruin what? A dating match app got shot down and a random reddit dm guy got shot down where is the ruining for everyone else?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 10:29 AM
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<image> The problem is way too many people try to date people they are fundamentally incompatible with. That immediately removes dating from the realm of actually connecting with someone into a game of chicken of trying to maximise what you get out vs what you put in. The original tweet is about allosexuals and asexuals. There is a fundamental disconnect in how these people engage with relationships. As a result, rather than being able to wholly connect with one another, it's a contest. The asex…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 02:55 AM
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Because I don't think being sick gives someone some sort of special privelege to imprison someone in a relationship? I'm not looking for the approval of women like that anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 02:12 AM
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<image> Q4oldheads: how true is this? I've never heard of this being a thing outside like schlocky romcoms
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 01:26 AM
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Cheating is not leaving. Also, it’s distasteful to leave someone when they’re sick Why? Sick people aren't entitled to relationships anymore than anyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 12:42 AM
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My gf is a year older than me. It's not really a hard limit I've just generally dated people around my age
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 12:24 AM
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Please, proofread your posts. Make sure they are clear, concise and coherent. Make sure your overall point is clearly running through your text.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 12:23 AM
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There is no distasteful reason to leave. No one is entitled to a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 12:19 AM
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Don't get married
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 12:18 AM
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The reason she doesn't want sex isn't because her feelings have changed, it's simply biological, what then? The reasons don't really matter. The only way to solve the issue of a dysfunctional relationship is to fix the dysfunction or break it off. If one or both parties are incapable or unwilling to fix the dysfunction, breaking it off is the only logical solution.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 12:15 AM
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No one is entitled to marriage to begin with. People invented divorce and no-fault divorce for very good reasons
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 12:12 AM
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There was a post today (it was removed) where a guy just basically discovered that people have different levels of attractiveness, and after that i can't stop thinking about men as some toddlers who discovered that there is inequality in life, and people look different, and some girls want to talk to some boys but not others Do you think the same of women on this sub that insist that there's no such thing as more attractive people getting better treatment?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 12:11 AM
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True, you should push back on that. Still, I think some men take it too personally and try to act as Mr. Save a Schmuck
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 05:39 PM
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Agree to disagree then
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 03:43 PM
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Basically just picture him as Sydney Sweeney or Tate McRae but as a guy Two women who would be widely considered attractive. He's good looking enough to play Spider-Man. I don't care about whatever woo-woo subreddit scale you run off, he isn't being held back in dating because of looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 03:38 PM
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<image> An unmentioned part of AF/BB discourse is the men who like it. Frequently these kinds of situations are presented like the man is a victim, like he's been swindled. The washed up whore is forcing the boring nice guy to unwittingly pick up the pieces for her. But in reality, sone guys just want to be simps. They know they're simps and they're fine being simps.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 03:33 PM
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Like if women were forced in a marriage in the past, men wanted the "relationship for them." Meaning they found it fulfilling enough. I'm still not sure what this is supposed to mean. It's just gibberish
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 03:20 PM
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By what standard is Tom Holland not a chad? Height? He's got looks, he's got status, what would a struggling man think makes him not a chad?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 03:15 PM
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only if you genuinely think instant attraction is a thing I do (or that you're really hot to begin with). I do
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 03:14 PM
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To play devil's advocate, what exactly are struggling males meant to extract from a relationship involving a movie superstar that's been in the industry since he was 12?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 02:21 PM
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Should she suggest a date right off the bat, just say she'd want to stay in touch/exchange numbers, or be more direct about liking him? I don't see an issue with either of these. A cold approach or slow build over time? What do you mean slow build? There's many approaches that I would classify as neither. Cold approaches are iffy. Clarifying instant attraction, or show it little by little over time? Again, I think there's a middle ground to be had. You can be clear you're into him (smiles and en…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 02:15 PM
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Just don't kill the passion
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 10:56 AM
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But that's how i see about 50% men on here with their tantrums about women being attracted to who they are attracted to Huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 10:54 AM
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<image> This is the correct way to respond to covert contracts. I am glad no one in her life is validating it
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 09:21 AM
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What if non government marriage? I don't see the point You don’t want kids? No
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 11:19 PM
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I see no benefit in it and I'm not interested in partially signing away my right to free association
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 10:24 PM
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If you lead with money you'll attract gold diggers. If you put the money in the back you'll dilter them out
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 08:50 PM
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Zero. I don't eant to ever get married
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 07:26 PM
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When a dude calls Margot Robbie mid, I get it if he's talking about current Margot Robbie. You do? It's obviously larping
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 06:16 PM
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Feminist liteeature would do a far better job of explaining feminism to you than I could. I don't particularly care if you don't want to have the correct position
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 06:15 PM
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My point wasn't that you should know this opinion exists, but that it is correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 04:57 PM
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No problem glad I could help
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 04:41 PM
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"Average" is pretty much always a motte and bailey argument in dating discourse
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 04:32 PM
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You either are a feminist and treat people equally That's not what feminism means Usually to them, being a feminist is far more than not being sexis And they are correct
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 04:31 PM
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Anyone who can't socialise without the aid of an intoxicant is equivalent to a zombie to me
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 04:28 PM
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If she likes me the second one will work. So what reason is there not to just do the second one until it works? Why play the long game if the short one works?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 10:04 AM
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These aren't mutually exclusive though. I want to be both.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 10:00 AM
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"The chase" is absolutely a slog. The problem is you're talking about different things. Going on dates with a woman that likes you and having sex with her is indeed fun. But that's not what "the chase" or being a "dancing monkey" is. You should avoid any woman who you have to convince
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 09:54 AM
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(Some) asexuals don't understand the concept of someone being horny while also having other objectives
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 09:41 AM
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I mean, ir's PPD women that frequently claim Chad treatment doesn't exist. Either way it shows you don't have to care about any of these rules and the best way to improve your dating life is simply becoming more Chad-like
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 09:38 AM
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Would you also argue that men's "rules and social standards aren't very important" to them if they let Stacy bypass them, but not Ugly Betty? Obviously yes
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 09:37 AM
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The key to cross-gender friendships is you have to actually enjoy friendships and not see them as a consolation prize or an alternative way into a relationship. A shocking amount of people don't understand this
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 09:35 AM
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Yeah, and you should pay for both of your coffees.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 09:32 AM
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(Some) asexuals simply can't comprehend how allosexuals engage with sex, it's like an alien language to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 11:14 PM
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<image> I will never understand why allosexuals try to date asexuals and vice versa. It's such a fundamental incompatibility
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 11:04 PM
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C. I wouldn't consider A or B to be betrayals
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 11:03 PM
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There are, but this guy's thing where he acts like marriage is sacred but relationships are some flippant thing is usually the mark of a cheater
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 11:00 PM
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He's cheating
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 10:05 PM
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Both of their lives seem lame.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 08:13 PM
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Only one of those things is actually effective so I don't see the problem
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 08:12 PM
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Not at all
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 08:11 PM
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This is simply something you should go to therapy for
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 06:55 PM
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<image> Marriage is such a devilish institution. "You didn't read the fine print so sorry fucker now you're stuck in this relationship forever and you're liable to get financially boned if you try to get out" No fault divorce is one of the best social advancements of modern times.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 04:21 PM
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Who said there was? The point was about how users on PPD respond ti certain attitudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 04:06 PM
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Depends on the guy and the response tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 03:27 PM
0

Ppd has had women like this they just get banned like immediately
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 03:26 PM
5

Bear 4 All: groooaar groaaaar?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 03:25 PM
2

Well that wasn't my intention. You pointed out how men on this sub are weird about others, I added how women do it too
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 03:22 PM
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You're the one who used my comment as grounds for cattiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 03:08 PM
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What do you mean by balk at? I make my choices and live with them and you make your choices and live with them. I don't see how my preferences have anything to do with anyone else's.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 02:26 PM
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I mean, is that not how selection works in anything else? Usually it's the people most qualified, desired, or otherwise preferred that have to put in the least immediate effort to get chosen. The essence of nepotism is giving someone a fast track or looser expectationd because of connections. Schools give scholarships to exceptional students. Elites in various fields are begged by insitutions to join them rather than the other way around. Plenty of coaches know their job is on the chopping block…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 01:46 PM
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Weird. You can just be friends or good colleagues. The idea that any relationship between a man and a women has to be through the lens of sex or romance is really offputting
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 01:25 PM
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This is why you should avoid women that try to pay on the first. It's usually an attempt to set a traansactional framing
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 01:23 PM
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People deserve what they can get
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 10:20 AM
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People are allowed to talk about whatever they want, particularly in open online forums. I'd just prefer if people weren't complaining about things they could easily solve.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 08:28 AM
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4B is extremely niche. There are still far more women complaining about men yet insisting on dating them
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 08:22 AM
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If a woman says she hates your social group - believe her. There's no basis to put this much stock into women's words, especially online
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 08:20 AM
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It's less people being in relationships so much as people using relationships they're supposedly in as a front to make clearly inflammatory and obnoxious points.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 10:07 PM
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Depends
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 10:05 PM
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As opposed to women here saying I'm not a real man for not being a paypig?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 05:55 PM
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We met in person at an after-work thing
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 05:45 PM
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<image> Many such cases
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 05:44 PM
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To me, having someone actually want to build a life with you is a much bigger flex than being attractive enough for one night. That depends on the person and context.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 05:34 PM
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I mean, I've never done any of the things you've described
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 04:40 PM
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So, yeah. I was busy. And, I told her that, very politely. I told her that this week was not good, but definitely next week. So, the work week ends. I do that overnight testing. Everything goes fine. I get a few hours sleep. When I wake up to start Saturday, I check, and she has unmatched me. Why would anyone twiddle their thumbs for a week for the sake of a dating app match? I don't have time for random people who don't have time for me, why would you expect these women to?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 04:37 PM
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because men expectations are of an old traditional woman Are they? Mine aren't. I want to date someone who likes me, not someone who's only with me because they have no way out and as an exchange of resources
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 04:34 PM
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Women primarily use it to mean "emotionally competent enough to know how and when she wants her emotions to be validated and coddled"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 04:32 PM
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another issue is the term is HIGHLY vague and subjective. sure a lot of men use it as "dude who take out women for dinner for free and not getting anything" but it can also mean a dude who comment "😍😍🔥🔥" under a woman's photo or a dude who slide into a woman's dm with "you're so beautiful" All of these are simping though? What's the point being made
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 11:22 AM
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That's fair
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 09:58 AM
2

Simply don't buy food for women ypou aren't fucking
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 09:44 AM
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Gay men > Lesbians >>>>> Straight women > Straight men In terms of being normal about gender/dating dynamics
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 12:53 AM
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What is your proposal for a legal system that is highly effective at deterring people who have nothing to lose?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 09:18 PM
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Quite a few men would benefit from shutting up and watching and listening instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 09:16 PM
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"Just date each other" is an easy and convenient way of handwaving discussions about a particular demographics' place in the dating market particularly when said demographic is undesirable to the majority. It's nothing to do with NDs themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 09:14 PM
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Does OP's entire point hinge on her assumption this guy wants to date her despite providing no evidence for it besides a random hunch?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 09:11 PM
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It's their life at the end of day but it just comes off as loser-y to me
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 07:40 PM
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guys here want to be validated by hot women Who doesn't?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 04:47 PM
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I agree but it's usually PPD women who insist promiscuity is/should be viewed the same in both genders
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 04:46 PM
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What about her? What happened to her is horrible and I'm glad she's managed what seems to be a fulfilling life inspite of it, but I'm not sure what relevance she has to the topic
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 03:14 PM
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People can claim to be anything they want regardless of their actual beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 11:13 AM
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Women have gossiped about men for generations. Tea didn't break any new ground. It's literally named after women gossipping.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 10:26 AM
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Angry? Probably not. I would leave though. The pageantry involved in loyalty/cheating is extremely obnoxious. It's up to couples to decide how open they want to be abd it's up to individuals to decide what's grounds for cheating, but I think it's just a waste of time if you've reached the point where you're trying to catch them out and doing these sorts of stunts. More likely than not they're just gonna think "they passed this time, but that just means I'm definitely going to get them next time"…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 10:24 AM
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So, why not just become a bitchy gold digger as they seem the happiest If that's what you want then go ahead. Who's stopping you?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 09:12 AM
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I don't want moral character to matter in dating. I just wish people stopped pretending it did.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 11:57 PM
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I heard he's a dork. I haven't watched a second of Fresh and Fit in my life so I can't offer any substantial critiques.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 11:55 PM
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Frankly I have no sympathy to begin with. If you got blindsided? Sure. Being coerced? Abused? You have nowhere to go? Sure sure sure. But just refusing to leave even though you can? There's just nothing going through my head except "you can solve this so easily"
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 11:54 PM
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i think it plays a problematic part in many peoples' lives What part? If it's completely trivial to go against it, I'm not sure what role you think it plays.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 03:37 PM
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That doesn't really change anything. The point is that people who like and want sex don't go out of their way to avoid it. The differences between casual and relationship sex doesn't address that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 03:33 PM
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But then why do you think the social conception of masculinity needs to be abolished if you think it olays no part in people's lives?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 03:31 PM
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where are you getting magic from? Stuff like "I heard a woman say that for a relationship to work, the guy has to be slightly more invested than the woman". The idea that there's some life hack or trick or slogan that will materialise a good relationship out of thin air. she doesnt want to press, she wants to find someone immediately into her a lot. youve said you want similar things. im failing to see the difference The problem is she's completely uninterested in the actual process of relations…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 03:30 PM
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The solutions is she either changes her mindset/personality to be more compatible with relationships, or she finds peace with being single and simply enjoys her life without the idea of relationships tethering her back. They may be difficult. She may be unwilling to enact them, but those are the solutions. Those are the only ways to resolve this in a healthy way.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 11:26 AM
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<image> This is why I don't like when people describe dating in overly abstract and arcane ways. She's fundamentally incompatible with relationships. That's her perogative, but she's also been told that dating is like magic and if you just do a secret ritual there's a chance a good relationship will fall into your lap. That creates this dilemma where people avoid coming to terms with their reality and finding a solution (whether that's changing or just accepting being happy single) because they …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 11:17 AM
1

Is it as simple as wants dress > wears dress?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 10:55 AM
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I disagree but oh well
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 10:53 AM
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Why does she have 3 legs
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 10:52 AM
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I agree except at least offers to pay /split That means she doesn't like you
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 09:36 AM
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Many men are stupid so there really is no such thing as "too obvious"
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 09:33 AM
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Sounds like it was written by a man anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 09:29 AM
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Do ya’ll expect us to both sleep with you early AND pick ‘the right partner’ early at the same time? Yeah
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 01:01 AM
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Making a point out of it does
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 12:59 AM
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Usually social change takes a lot more to enact than kumbaya and everyone just thinking about it really hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 12:54 AM
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My point is not that heterosexual women don't exist. My point is their proclivity to self-victimisation at the idea of not dating and having sex with men. When misogynists are denied sex, they will frame it in conflict. Women are denying them sex, and it is bad for them to do so. It is a call to the misogynist's perceived hierarchy; men are greater, so women should acquiesce to men's whims, and they are bad people if they do not. This is contrasted with when women are denied sex, which is explic…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 12:53 AM
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completely erase the bullshit concept entirely and let all individuals be unfettered by antiquated identity shackles. How do you suggest this happens?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 11:35 PM
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<image> Misnadry is not real. Male centered women will defer to men and having access to men when push comes to shove every time. They respond to requests to not date men like they're a wounded deer
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 08:19 PM
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He was ugly, lame and boring. What experience is that kind of profile supposed to have? Not to mention that while his match rate was low, his rate of converting matches to conversations and dates was absolutely bottom of the barrel. By all measures he's simply a bad and undesirable option. It's not the market's job to prop up bad and undesirable options
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 03:20 PM
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I think it makes sense if you're doing it for the tax stuff or for the kids. Those are mid-life things. I don't get the wedding pageantry though.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 11:56 AM
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<image> It's rare to see the "misinterpreting friendliness as romantic interest" playbook from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 10:36 AM
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"but women said they don't want assholes" yes most rational women did, some women won't because women aren't a monolith and a chunk of them are bad people. I don't think "most women are wonderful" is all that much better. It's much more rational to just accept people in general don't select based on morality and it's not that big of a deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 10:32 AM
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and asking ME, YOUR MASTER, to change the subject? Didb't you say you had solidarity with ai or something? Now you're it's master?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 09:31 AM
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If you make an ai image of an irl boyfriend does it become like a third thing
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 02:01 AM
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But my question is when should we classify it as rape exactly? I want to know the exact time limits before each ask and how much evidence do I need to believe her mood has changed? I It's not a matter of time. Ask once and that's it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 10:20 PM
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What's the time frame here? Like 10 times in a day? Over a week? A month? A year? Until the heat death of the universe? There's no reason to ask a second time.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 10:15 PM
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"I'm not ready yet" also isn't a no It is. Anything except a yes is a no
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 10:13 PM
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3 is sorta the cut off 1 is. There is no reason to ask a second time First no might be her playing coy. Women who do this are psychotic and should be avoided in the first llace.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 10:12 PM
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Chad doesn't need to badger desirable women for sex. It's the other way around
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 10:10 PM
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Such a person sounds pathetically weak
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 10:07 PM
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yeah she should have shut things down more definitively "No" is extremely definitive
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 10:04 PM
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Yeah it's the defensiveness that's really weird
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 10:02 PM
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Many such cases
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 10:02 PM
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I don't?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 07:15 PM
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<image> Many such cases
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 06:55 PM
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The problem is that your reasoning is incomprehensible to me and therefore your claim that it's better makes no sense (to me).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 06:54 PM
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I'm not a "changed man" though. I've known what I wanred since my teenage years
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 06:50 PM
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Because that's the nature of transactional relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 03:57 PM
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From my perspective it sounds like an exaggeration. She thinks not being completely devoted to her 24/7 is "coming second to his boys".
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 03:56 PM
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A woman who demands marriage from you is not a woman that will eant regular sex with you
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 02:14 PM
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don't get married Agreed
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:18 PM
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Stable relationships don't require marriage nor are marriage necessarily stable.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:02 PM
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So don’t get married. Agreed
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:01 PM
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Spending $1 and 1 hour would still be a waste of time and money anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 12:46 PM
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It isn't, you're just being neurotic
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 10:05 AM
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What is your own personal “system” for online dating and relationships? I date people I like that like me back, and avoid people I don't like or who don't like me. What guidelines do you use for making these decisions? It's not really about guidelines so much as just knowing what you want. You need to do some soul-searching and see what it is you truly, in your heart of hears, want. If push comes to shove, what are you willing to compromise on and what are you not?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 10:02 AM
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<image> Are women doing the "but the disney movies said..." bit now
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 09:19 AM
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She doesn't
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 09:13 AM
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Eh that's usually not the case for these kinds of women. Women that are actually being neglected usually phrase it differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 09:13 AM
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<image> This genre of "woman who is super insecure about her partner having friends" is always so funny to see.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 11:27 PM
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Body positivity wouldn't work for those men. They want results, not platitudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 11:26 PM
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Based on what? Your rating is what you can attract.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 11:24 PM
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Because they're ugly? The subs are called "am I ugly", not "do you think if so and so happened i'd be hot"
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 11:21 PM
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This is actually a chunk of the reason I bever want kids. I don't think I'd ever forgive myself if I ever forced someone to go through pregnancy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 11:19 PM
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No. I don't know why anyone would pay for anyone else's discretionary expenses without framing it as a gift.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 10:56 PM
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If they didn't want you at all, why would you get a yes that easily? I don't know, I'm not a mind reader. All I know is that people who say No don't want you
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:58 PM
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Lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:32 PM
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society is prejudiced against men Such as?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:24 PM
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This is a reddit, high morality, nice guy answer. It has nothing to do with morality. It's about not wasting time, effort and energy on women who don't want you The vague reddit scenario of BBs demonstrating their fake mortality is completely different than real life low inhib men cracking Becky every week. Wait, you think begging and pestering women for attention is the alpha fucks route?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:17 PM
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<image> It's almost like misandry doesn't exist
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 05:51 PM
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Them asking is irrelevant. If someone said no you should entirely remove the idea of them being a suitabke sexual or romantic option in any way
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 05:16 PM
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f she wants to have sex, she can say so. You asked once, she said no, and if she changes her mind, she knows where to find you. There's no such thing as "changing her mind".
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 05:14 PM
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I'd simply respectfully disagree with your way of going about things then.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 05:02 PM
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They don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 05:00 PM
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ut asking once and then asking again at a later date is not weird. It is. Not in a "because it's coercive" way, but in a "stop putting effort into people who don't want you" way
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 04:59 PM
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When you dig into these really weird attempts to gotcha a super easy true/false question, the recurring theme is "what if she changes her mind? I mean, the original question is obviously a gotcha itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 04:57 PM
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Your very first comment is Regarding bi men being mad at straight women for not wanting to date bi men, why? To me there doesn't seem to be any indication this is about a particular minor branch of a consversation
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 04:37 PM
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A political and social movement centered around the advancement and protection of women's rights and liberation.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 04:29 PM
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"Feminist" is too broad of a label for the point you're making.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 04:28 PM
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These are certainly quite nasty. I'd gave to retract my statement that it never happens. Regardless, I don't think a few tiktok comments are enough to brand the entire conversation as "mad people won't date them".
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 02:04 PM
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But a lot of people aren’t comfortable dating an LGBT person for whatever reason And frequently that reason eventually boils down to some sort of queerphobic prior.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 02:02 PM
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Your wife miscarries. You think she wants to see a "wry smile?" She wants to see him helping her with her grief.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 01:57 PM
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In what? Are you suggesting companionship and love are only imoossible in a rekationship where you're babied?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 01:56 PM
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What is the point of a relationship? Companionship, sex, love and more. There's plenty of things that don't solve any material problems but are useful additions to my life simply because I enjoy them
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 11:00 AM
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Useful for what? I don't date women as a form of therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 09:41 AM
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It's not about sucking in your gut. It's about not having one in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 09:38 AM
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Even if there were no good men on the planet, "choose better" would still apply
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 09:29 AM
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Yes, you should be entirely self-sufficient
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 09:25 AM
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In reality, the assholes are nice in the beginning and it’s only after they sleep with her that they start being an asshole. But being an asshole wasn’t required for him to get laid or a relationship. And once he starts being an asshole is when she either leaves him or they both stay in a toxic relationship that doesn’t last. Or maybe it does last and you find out the woman is as equally bad of a person. The much simpler conclusion is that asshole-ness isn't that big of a needle-mover in either …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 11:16 PM
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That said, I think casual sex isn’t as hard to get as it’s made out Okay, fair enough
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 09:13 PM
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I never understood the need to include gimmicks in sex
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 08:13 PM
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I definitely ask about colorism because I’m black Then why is this the particular topic that you don't understand. The reason people discuss women not dating bi men is the same reason people discuss colorism. Do you think people that discuss colorism are necessarily "mad" about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 08:11 PM
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Most straight women don’t like to share their men. And they don't have to. That's what an exclusive monofamous relationship is. Unless you're suggesting they're buying into the fairly biphobic stereotype that bi men (and women) are wildly sexually compulsive and incapable of monogamy?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 08:09 PM
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I’m asking why is there discourse surrounding women not wanting to date bi men Because people find it interesting? Again, people try to deconstruct and analyse dating preferences all the time. Do you also ask why women discuss male preferences for younger women? Do you alsk ask why men discuss female prefefences for height? Why black people discuss the effects of colorism in dating? I'm confused why this one example out of many is being singled out.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 08:06 PM
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Yall keep making that claim, but single=\\= sexless. But a frequent claim from blue pillers is that casual sex is something a small minority of people do and that most people have sex in relationships. Do you disagree with that claim?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 08:00 PM
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I feel you can't just be baiting when you stretch to that extreme. It's literally the opposite though. The very most extreme positions on any topic are usually held by the most performative people.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 07:59 PM
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This is incoherent. First you're talking about people supposedly being mad about women not dating bi men, now it's about now it's about women who don't say anything? What point are you actually trying to make?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 07:57 PM
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I mean I can link you to a post and you can read the comments of these people calling women who don’t want to date bi women insults I assume you mean women who don't want to date bi men? Go ahead
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 07:53 PM
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What is the difference between a straight man and bi man from the perspective of a straight woman? In both cases it is a man who is sexually attracted to women
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 07:49 PM
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Or he's going to think I have low self esteem? This. You can just compliment people and leave it at that. The need to implant a comparative element reads as insecurity
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 07:43 PM
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This sounds like a man wrote this
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 07:28 PM
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Women who "enjoy being pursued" are immature at best and psychotic at worst. I'm not losing any sleep if they have to grow up
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 05:55 PM
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What do you mean by “will they, won’t they” in this context LDRs are a holding cell until one of you bites the bullet to move and start actually dating. I don't see it as any different as two acquiantances who are interested in each but won't take the initiative to make something of it. do you believe it is something inherent to long distance relationships? Not particularly. There's plenty of people who aren't long distance that are part of these sorts of messy faux-relationships, and I'm not in…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 05:48 PM
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Who said anything about anyone having to do anything? It's an open online forum, anyone who doesn't want to engage is a click or button away from leaving the conversation and doing whatever else. Like I said there's plenty of these conversations for a whole range of demographics that don't get pathologised with this kind of language anywhere near as much.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 04:06 PM
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They don't want to date them because they are disgusted by them. Many women have said this many times in the many times this topic has come up
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 03:51 PM
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Not the oerson you replied to but I just don't see the point. I don't think there's anyone on the planet so amazing I'd put myself through being a pen pal and will they won't they instead of just finding someone just as if not more suitable nearby that I can actually date.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 03:50 PM
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What is the madness in question? In my experience these discussions are never about "being mad" and it's a common strawman. Do you mean people just delving into the priors and prejudices that inform not wanting to date bi men? Because that's an extremely common dating discussion topic that frequently doesn't get characterised as being mad.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 03:47 PM
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Who the fuck cares about whether a woman you aren't going any further with thinks you're trad?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 11:01 PM
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Worth pointing out that TRP isn't really affiliated with RPW and RPW is itself only really loosely based around using red pill ideas through a female framework. They're not meant to form a complementary whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 07:49 PM
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Both parties lose in the process, so why continue the friendship? Because if both parties are adults they can just be friends isntead of seeing it as a way of weaseling their way into a second chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 06:08 PM
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<image> I respect and appreciate women doing the whole "of course we care about looks we like hot tall men and stuff" thingbut I do think it has to coincide with killing off this nagging attitude
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 05:05 PM
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I guess you just don't understand analogies then
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 04:33 PM
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Dating advice? No. What you're describing is the equivalent of a track athlete telling a fat guy to eat more junk food to lose weight so there's less competition. That obviously doesn't happen
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 04:33 PM
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You're not supposed to take any analogy literally. Do you not understand how analogies work?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 04:30 PM
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Men looking for advice aren't competition in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 04:28 PM
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Because if you asked a fish, it's going to tell exactly what it likes to be caught. Do you understand how fishing works? At all?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 04:27 PM
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It has produced a lot of influencer who want your money and have better interest you stay single as well as dating apps. Of course there are good people who want men to succeed but that's not the majority Bad actors existing doesn't really discount the analogy. It just suggests you need to take an additional step of making sure you're listening to the successful and honest fishermen.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 04:24 PM
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Not to be that guy but women literally do this too
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 04:22 PM
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<image> This is true which is why I don't take PPDers seriously when they do the "people hide their true colours!" bit. Anyone who gets duped by someone with bad politics simply didn't care enough to actually filter it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 11:38 AM
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Sorry, working is part of being an adult. Boohoo
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 11:36 AM
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Whqt do you mean best? Mulriple different niches will work with multiple different women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 09:38 AM
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all women are short. They are but there's ones that are short even for women. but using x and tiktok evidence to say "SEE? this is what women truly think of short guys!" is cheating because these posts strive for engagement. That's fair enough. It's still usually only the really short women that are weird about it. It's not even about short guys they have a bunch of weird complexes with tall people too.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:12 AM
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At that point does it even matter? It's a notch he takes to the grave regardless
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:09 AM
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Wouldn’t that disappoint you in any way or make you feel sad at all? Not really? After during she would ask you to do things that aren’t uncomfortable I'd lose interest anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:08 AM
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A man wrote this
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:06 AM
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Both of these people aren't mature enough for relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:04 AM
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The thing about madonna/whore is how often it's women psyopping themselves with it. It's not really a suoer prominent thing in modern men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:02 AM
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If the average man can tell there's been work done, probably
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:00 AM
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I just wish short women were less weird about it
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 11:58 PM
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This is stuff I've only ever heard from single women
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 08:22 PM
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Brootal breastmog
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 04:55 PM
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Sex and consent is a vulnerable situation so I can see the viewpoint of people who think covert contracts regarding it are valid (though I ultimately disagree) But I'm absolutely baffled that some people think a man paying for dates with a woman and privately assumes they will lead to sex, would be justified to feel wronged and duped if she chooses not to have sex with him. It's a laughably silly idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 03:15 PM
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You'd have to give examples because this is an extremely easy point to dodge even for someone who wouldn't understand consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 03:07 PM
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So how long are you willing to wait before having? Something being a dealbreaker does not mean it is the only thing you want. This is black and white thinking. If someone wasn’t that good at first, would you be OK teaching them to get better? And if someone didnt make sex their priority outside of like once a month, you’d be fine with it? Again, black and white thinking. I never understood when people say that because you’re not going to care about a relationship if your sexual desires aren’t me…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 03:02 PM
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There isn't, but there's a clear oral agreement that consent is based off. If that agreement isn't honoured then the consent was invalid and therefore the sex was rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:52 PM
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The discussion is about two people wherein one party only consents to sex on the grounds that the other party promises some form of commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:46 PM
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What contract? The agreement to only have sex if commitment is given in return.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:45 PM
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Sex between people should not be transactional if they want to have a relationship of equals. I agree. That has nothing to do with the point being made though
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 12:09 PM
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Then don't engage in transactional relationships if you can't keep them above the table
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 12:08 PM
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When you become friends with someone you don't draft the contract with outlining of your intentions and help obligations, and yet everyone knows it and expects it because of how you behave. Friendships are entirely self-contained, though. If someone doesn't do the things I expect of a friend, I just won't be friends with them and that's that. At most I'd consider them a bad friend. The scenario in the OP involves a moral calculation, and an implication of entitlement. That a man not wanting a re…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 12:07 PM
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I acknowledge that if a woman pretends to like a man to get him to pay for things for her, he got used for money. He didn't. He engaged in a covert contract and then got burned when she didn't fall for his manipulation
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 11:59 AM
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Oh yes because it's perfectly normal and easy in the year 2026 to ask someone to enter a relationship before becoming intimate, right?! Yes? It's a single question.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 11:57 AM
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A man that feels used for his money after willing leading with his money is an idiot.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 11:55 AM
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I don't see that as loving sex between two equal people. I never said it was I hate the sex industry and wish it didn't exist. But it does exist. I wish murder rape and theft didn't exist, but they do and I therefore make moral judgments on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 11:55 AM
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What point are you trying to make? These aren't linked concepts. One is assessing action and the other is assessing thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 11:52 AM
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Unfirtunately in these kinds of discussions people often use vague language as a motte and bailey.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 11:51 AM
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sometimes when you see a side of a person you’re just not feeling it. Which is why people shouldn't engage in these kinds of sexual transactions in the first place. That doesn't really change the situation if it does happen. I do think it is worth separating between genuinely leading someone on and mistakenly rushing into something I don't. If you agree to a contract it doesn't really matter whether you intended on defrauding the other party all along or whether you got cold feet right after it'…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 11:50 AM
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I think something like one month is a good grace period to transition from "I'm don't feel like holding up my end of the bargain" and "I've given it a fair shot and I want out"
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 11:47 AM
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Sex isn't a transaction It can be made into one. What do you think prostitution or sexual quid pro quo is?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 11:46 AM
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If you agree to a transaction (sex = commitment), renegging on that transaction after receiving but not giving your end of the bargain is fraud and I think sexual fraud is rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 11:05 AM
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Relationships are a complex tangle of words and postures and signs and facial expressions. Things are communicated in lots of different ways. Not in this context, no. You use indirect communication to assess someone's behavior for the purpose of informing your own decisions. Using it to sign a binding contract is manipulative and slimy. So how can we understand what a guy means when he says he felt “led on” But I don't understand him. He had no indication that there was going to be some sort of …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:52 AM
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An example of dangling a carrot is actively implying that you want more than sex but all you’re initially interested in is sex, many other things fall into this, but actively leading someone on, giving the implication of deeper intentions and so on are all some forms of dangling a carrot. I agree. Implying us in the eye of the beholder though. Of course, you could say “well maybe he realized he wasn’t interested after” I disagree. Once a man has established a transaction of commitment, saying he…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:46 AM
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you actively dangle a carrot for more, But you're still using figurative language. What actual actions are being taken?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:38 AM
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being given a wrong impression Could you be more specific?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:34 AM
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I already don't
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:33 AM
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Choose better, you're responsible for your choice. Agreed. I don't understand why men are scared of false accusations? A lot of men online use it either as a whataboutism or as a motte and bailey fir their fear of rejection. In either case they aren't scared of false accusations, they're disingenously invoking them for the sake of argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:33 AM
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But no, sex is important to a lot of people I don't think sex is imoortant to someone that is neurotic about sex
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:30 AM
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I agree. Hoeever there are many cases where "lying" is used to describe a situation where one party didn't ask and just assumed the answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:29 AM
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Why would someone gamble in a casino even though the odds are stacked against them? People are irrational.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:26 AM
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and he has a right to feel used or icky by the situation or even learning from the experience and not going on many or extravagant dates with future women who don't reciepocate effort. his feeling are valid. There's a world of difference between "operating this way didn't get me what I wanted, I'll do things differently next time" and "this person used me because they didn't contort to my every whim"
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:24 AM
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Their name, being married, their intentions, what they’re looking for, they stealth with condoms How often are women asking about these things in these situatuons?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:23 AM
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The problem is "into me" is faulty language. People are usually into people they have sex with and it's an arbitrary emotion. The only thing that matters is whether concrete claims were made.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:22 AM
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Because sex is important to her, It isn't, but that's besides the point. Sudden changing your mind after you’ve been intimate is cruel I'd argue it's rape
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:19 AM
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Having boundaries isn't misandry.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:17 AM
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When the man does lie it is bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:15 AM
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Idk why these women are posting like they are surprised about this revelation. It is bait. Or they are stupid
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 09:15 AM
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What is being used for sex then if consent means it doesn't count? Well it's a silly and presuppository term so nothing. There are far more precise and far more accurste terms to describe the range of situations "being used" is used to describe.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 09:12 AM
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That’s like saying a man can’t be ”used for money” if he willingly paid every date Yes? they mean they expected the other person to want more (emotional intimacy, romance, sex, feelings, commitment) and the other person clearly went in to the arrangement with the goal of getting just one thing This is a skill issue solved by not engaging in covert contracts
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 09:05 AM
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Covert contracts are a social cancer
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 09:04 AM
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Women do it more subtly, but men do it more indepth. It's easier to fall for women doing it. It makes more sense upfront and the line between "yeah i see what you're getting at" to "you're trying to fry my mind" is very blurry. The male version is harder to fall into but more like a bottomless pit once you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 12:06 AM
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I do think the 8 hours thing is a psyop
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:39 PM
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women won't fuck someone they don't respect And this part isn't even true
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:37 PM
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I think it's rape to purchase consent and I think it's especially rape to agree to purchase consent, have sex, and then reneg on the agreement and refuse the payment.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 04:10 PM
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<image> Whenever I see this hypergamy chart I get a bit sad. It's quite brootal for the top girlies isn't it? The bottom 80% can dream big while the top 20% have to settle for only going up one rung or looking down. Particularly brootal for the top 10% who can't go any higher. They aren't allowed even a bit of hypergamy? Priveleged female oppression?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 03:06 PM
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Too many variables to make it an independent indicator
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:57 AM
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They all just tell you eventually
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:57 AM
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To be honest I just think thinking of it as "the bar" is oversimplyifying. Like, I do take care of myself and I'm not a bum and I'm aware I may well not be partnered if those weren't the case, but it's not like it's some sort of points calculation. It's more that you have a set of traits and attributes, and then someone either likes you or not and then you go from there. If I like a dish at a restaurant it'll be because of specific aspects like flavour or texture but in my head I'm not thinking …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 09:42 AM
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As I replied to someone else with the same point, I think a grace period should be encouraged but that at the end of the day just breaking it off is likely to be the best solution for everyone. However that doesn't really change the moral calculation at all. I don't think women should turn into vigilantes and hunt down their rapist, but that doesn't change that rape is rape
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 09:27 AM
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I disagree because nobody violently forced/coerced them to do the labor in the first place (that would constitute slavery/rape), Rape doesn't have to be violent force though. Do you think having sex with someone who is clearly drunk while sober is rape? Do you think convincing someone to have sex with you through threats of blackmail is rape? Do you think an adult grooming a child and then having sex with them is rape? None of these involve direcr force or violence but they all involve a party w…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 10:52 PM
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who is more correct, blue pillers or red pillers? Neither. Fundamentally both BP and RP are frameworks that use good/reasonable foundational ideas as a base for bad ideas. Taken as is they are similarly incomplete. was respecting women enough for you to get a girlfriend? Enough? No was the bar truly in hell? What do you mean? or did you have to move mountains and fight other men (methaphorically) for a spot at the top 20% if males just to get a chance to be seen by women and then got a girlfrien…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 09:51 PM
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100% serious
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 09:28 PM
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When can they break up? Well ideally they should simply break off the dynamic as soon as the transaction is posited since they're fundamentally incompatible. That said, I will admit you are right that trying to force the transaction through could do more harm than good. I still think the offending party should consider some sort of grace period (a month or so should suffice, such that "I'm backing out on fulfilling my end of the bargain" transitions to "I gave it a fair shot and I want out in a …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 08:55 PM
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I saw a tweet about men manipulating women into sex by promising commitment. It was from an Indian engagement account so I don't cate about it, but there was a quote tweet from a real account that interested me. I forgot to get a screenshot so you'll have to just take my word for it. The response basically was in the gist of "oh so men can't change their minds anymore what if you decide you're incompatible after you do it". And frankly I don't buy that excuse. Once you have the knowledge that th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 08:01 PM
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Then they should respond with a precise question about what they want more details on.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 06:20 PM
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There is a reason why famous sport players put hot sauce in condoms. Even they can't always tell. You mean rape? I agree rape isn't obvious, but I'm not sure that's the attitudes OP was referring to. Women who just want attention on dating apps and have no plans on meeting up with anyone. I don't use the apps so idk I live near a Marine base and I see every year women who just want to go to the marine corps ball start to date a marine in September/October and will break up after. I don't see why…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:15 PM
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Two pet peeves I've thought about recently: People who know that they don't know anything about a given topic and yet still make assumptions out of nowhere People who ask vague questions. The type of person who asks "what do you mean by that" after I've already given a detailed, multifaceted answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:55 PM
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Can you give an example of one that wouldn't be obvious?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:47 PM
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To be as generous as possible, TRP isn't about what ought to be, the TRP is about best navigating what already is. TRP would argue that trying to go for women you aren't attracted to is a waste of time anyway, and that by AWALT, these women like the same things other women do. If you think these assertions are inaccurate that's a perfectly fair stance to argue, but arguing that TRP should be in the business of fundamentally changing what people look for is missing the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 01:47 PM
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<image> It's all reheated nachos
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 11:34 AM
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<image> It's all reheated nachos
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 11:34 AM
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Yeah kinda
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 09:07 AM
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Why women stopped dating average guys??? LOWER YOUR STANDARDS! Yeah this is stupid. Women should simply choose better without w9rryingabput the opinions of randoms
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 09:04 AM
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<image> Q4W: What do you think of this woman's response? Would you respond the same? Does the man's follow-up affect your judgment at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 12:02 AM
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A lot of tradlarp women are like that. I don't even think it's on purpose trad women just seem really weird like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 11:31 PM
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It’s interesting how the richest man on earth can be such a “petty manchild” over the smallest stuff despite having the money to do pretty much anything he wants. This needs to be studied in social science. Could his autism have something to do with it ? Spoiled rich kid is like the oldest trope in the book
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 10:40 PM
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<image> There is great work still being in gender spaces. The RP/BP equivalent would just be reguritating buzzwords and midwit evopsych Even the comments are great. Half of them are calling OP stupid because actually the meta is anorexia. That kind of discourse would be impossible with men, it'd just be circlejerking about height height height.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 10:08 PM
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Probably TikTok. Maybe facebook if I thought boomers were salvageable.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 08:00 PM
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mainstream feminists What's a mainstream feminist?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:25 PM
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I agree (well, mainly with point 3). Another way this manifests is just... talking. A lot of men seem to think women are hyper-literal paragons of rationality and reason. This creates conflict when it turns out women are people that use subtext, idioms, hyperbole, venting etc. like anybody else. Said conflict is how a lot of bitterness and complaints about "but women said..." is formed.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:03 PM
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by trading resources such as money, stability, etc. for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 12:11 PM
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Do you not understand what the word conditional means?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 11:29 AM
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Not necessarily
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 11:26 AM
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A man who garners conditional attention by trading resources such as money, stability, etc. for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 10:45 AM
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I don't know what there is to explain other than that AF/BB are relationship/sexual dynamics and not just another word for casual sex and LTRs. The use of prostitutes is a form of casual sex under the framework of beta bux. Many LTRs operate under alpha fucks
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 10:22 AM
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First
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 10:17 AM
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Yeah, and people have LTRs with an alpha fucks framework
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 10:17 AM
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AF/BB isn't strictly casual vs ltr though.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 10:13 AM
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Why not have a clear and open conversation about it tho? For the same reason I don't call debt collectors on my friend because he owes me 5 bucks. When everyone is on the same page it's simply cleaner, quicker, and easier for everyone to handle things subtly and informally. Why are you against that if it can help clear out ANY possible misunderstanding? I'm not against it, I just don't think it's reasonable to expect someone to do that on the scant possibility that one of the parties engages in …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:10 PM
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You should be looking for a partner that’s looking for the SAME thing as you. And he was. From his perspective it's reasonable to conclude she was looking for casual too. The only way for anyone but her to know she wasn't is hindsight or to be a mindreader.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:46 PM
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Both people should be open about how they’re feeling. Should they? It was a casual relationship, why should they have an obligation to involve an emotional aspect if it's unnecessary? The man wanted a casual relationship and was in a casual relationship. He has no reason to be open about anything when from his point of view it's perfectly reasonable to conclude everything's going smooth and there's no hiccups. The only person who should be open about their feelings is the person that wants to ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:42 PM
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If a man is deceptive and manipulative in his communication women can’t be blamed Why do they want to keep dating a deceptive and manipulative man, let alone marry him and have kids with him?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 08:26 PM
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Someone making delusions about you then having a meltdown when they don't come to fruition isn't you hurting them. They are hurting themselves and need to go to therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 08:21 PM
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These people need to go to therapy then.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 07:35 PM
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Utter nonsense. For reference, "communication" in this instance simultaneously refers to: Her saying what she expects and engaging in good faith rather than having private delusions and then blaming him when he doesn't acquiesce Him being some sort of mind reader that reader that can see these delusions and shut them down unprompted. Using equivalent language to describe these expectations is absolutely bonkers.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 07:10 PM
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I'd spend my whole life with a woman with zero intention of being married. And let her think otherwise? I don't know why I wouldn't just tell her. I wouldn't date a woman spineless enough to not just ask either. He spent a year getting consistent sex, validation, affection, and food and presumably other benefits like support with tough situations etc And she spent a year willingly providing them, if you pardon the nasty, transactional language Where they will kind of lie by omission and let a wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 06:59 PM
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Humour maybe. I don't think things like charisma, low-inhibition or social reading are necessarily aspects of intelligence.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 05:46 PM
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but having a symmetrical face for example is not something you earn. It doesn't have to be for dating to be meritocratic. If you could THAT would be a meritocracy, but you cannot, and therefore dating/relationships are NOT a meritocracy. That's not what meritocracy means. The people most capable and suitable as romantic partners (largely, attractive people) are the most likely to suceed in dating and get dating opportunities. Therefore, it is meritocratic. It has nothing to do with effort, it ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 05:27 PM
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Slowly realising the post was just OP having a meltdown at having to do customer service at a customer service job was hilarious
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 04:22 PM
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Women are attracted to neither. Women (and men) are attracted to looks and sociability.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 04:20 PM
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I have posted the definitions; it is not up to me to handhold your way over to viewing them. I'm not hounding your account for some random other thread you were in. I'm arguing with the posts I'm replying to, not everything you've ever said. Demonstrated abilities, like doing "attractiveness" better than anyone else. Can you show me how you "do attractive?" and what skills you use to do "attractive"? Feel free to link a video of you or someone practicing the "attractive." You are being obtuse. Y…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 04:19 PM
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You haven't provided any definitions. The only I can find support my point, such as the following meritocracy noun a system, organization, or society in which people are chosen and moved into positions of success, power, and influence on the basis of their demonstrated abilities and merit
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:55 PM
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You don't "earn" dating success by "being more attractive." You do being attractive doesn't make you more suitable. It does
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:54 PM
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Second
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:19 AM
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No
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 07:02 AM
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She's just riffing about you being spoiled. It aint that deep
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 07:01 AM
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Right, which is why it's more useful to observe which men women ignore and which ones they don't rather than to listen to women about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 06:59 AM
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They think existing while being attractive and succeeding as a result of being attractive is meritocracy in action. In an environment where attractive people are the most desirable, yes? A system where success correlates with and is based in being the most effective and capable at the task in question is by definition meritocratic.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 06:58 AM
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Being attractive isn't something you can earn. No, but you earn dating success by being attractive. So dating is a meritocracy. It is a system where the most capable and suitable participants see the most success.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 06:51 AM
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When people tell me about how bad their ex is I just think of less of them
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 03:45 PM
1

Yeah
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 03:44 PM
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Undersocialized, autistic inkwells can not pick up on the nuance of non-literal communication with hidden intention Many such case
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 02:41 PM
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You don't have to debate in discussion threads
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 02:38 PM
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The person who made the original post isn't complaining though, it's obviously a joke
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 02:34 PM
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This is slippery slope nonsense. I don't think it's that crazy to have a cut-off point where you're deemed an adult fully capable of making adult decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 02:20 PM
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idk targetting people who have just turned 18 and are virgins seems like grooming to me It just isn't though. There's no jurisdiction on the planet where simply having sex with an adult virgin is grooming and thats only what they are admitting on a public forum remember It's silly to make statements of grooming based on hypothetical thought crimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 02:15 PM
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<image> This is part of why talks about "unrealistic standards" are often silly. You don't know whether the person you're tlaking to is referring to an obvioue joke
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 02:13 PM
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Adults having sex isn't grooming.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 02:10 PM
2

Adults having sex isn't grooming.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 02:09 PM
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No
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 02:08 PM
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Where is the grooming part?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 02:07 PM
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Did they also take off their flesh masks and reveal their reptillian skin?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 12:30 PM
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18
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 12:26 PM
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I have more pressing things to care about than Ukrainians getting drafted.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 12:25 PM
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Almost like there's a different motivation...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 12:24 PM
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Actions speak louder than words
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 12:22 PM
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<image> The unspoken male load (even if you should just not date people like this)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 10:01 AM
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You can have whstever preferences you want
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 09:14 AM
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There is no use debating with someone who can't even be bothered to type out their point.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 11:32 PM
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Did AI write this?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 11:29 PM
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I agree that the best way to suceed in dating is to maximise your looks and sociability attributes to maximise the amount of people you like that like you back.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 06:58 PM
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No
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 06:56 PM
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Men should not be worried about women lying about n-counts. Promiscous women tend to be proud of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 06:56 PM
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Well it is what I meant
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 06:54 PM
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instead I get the typical low self esteem stuff presented as fact "Don't date people who don't want you" is low esteem stuff?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 03:05 PM
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no means no unless she begins to take back the no by flirting with you There's no such thing as "taking back the no". No is no now and forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 03:04 PM
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"This is how you could'ce avoided this outcome" is a punishment?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 03:02 PM
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Why do you think it doesn’t change over time? Because the things that inspire interest don't just change over time. Interest only changes when one of the parties has a fundamental change. Why don’t you think it’s okay? It isn't okay for the rejected party becaude they shouldn't try to date someone that isn't interested in them. It isn't okay for the rejecting party because no is no and insisting and pushing is coercive and tiring. And how is this even an oxymoron? If you move on then it's over, …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 01:54 PM
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sometimes interest builds over time and it’s okay to try again weeks or months later if you feel circumstances have changed It doesn't and it isn't. Of course though, take the first rejection as a sign to move on but also, sometimes things build quietly after that is all I’m saying This is an oxymoron
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 01:38 PM
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But.. I meant the few times when the reconnection is actually sincere, when she says "I needed time to get my head straight, but I do want to go out with you. Let's do that." That doesn't happen
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 12:30 PM
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sometimes it takes time It doesn't. No is no.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 12:17 PM
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Now the ball is in her court, and really she should be the one to ask, but some women won’t do that. So the LEAST you should be looking for in these instances is some pretty strong signals of interest before trying again. The man shouldn't be looking for anything. As soon as she says no he should completely abandon seeing her as a romantic prospect
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 12:16 PM
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But in that case it is SHE who picks up the thread, He should reject her in this case
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 12:14 PM
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The former is a response to complaints, the latter is a disappointment about their space in the current market. What's the disfrepancy?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 09:16 AM
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If you want to be settled for, go ahead.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 09:08 AM
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<image> Q4W: If you were called Helen and your husband was called Troy would you call yourself Helen of Troy
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 12:01 AM
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2 3 and 4 are valid criticisms tbf
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 11:55 PM
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That's what they chose, so yeah?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 08:33 PM
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What is the point of saying that in the first place? A person cannot change their past, so all this “should have” is a moot point. It would be more productive to say that “you should choose better next time, look at these red flags that you’ve ignored and don’t ignore them anymore” I mean, are these all that difference? At the end of they day they're both looking at past behaviour to see where future behaviour can be improved.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 08:32 PM
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Gender discourse is the true unifier <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 08:31 PM
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But what if they are distant because a family member died or something? If a family member dying means you can't communicate at all then I don't want to date them. They aren't "leavimg" the relationship. Well I would then.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 08:09 PM
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So, basically don't double check with your partner to see if they are ok? If they've already got one foot out the door, yeah. They aren't my partner anymore. you should be ok with them not being there for you when you're down on your luck/having issues I don't expect anyone to be sticking around while I'm pushing them away.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:17 PM
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I agree that the best way for men to suceed is to maximise their looks and sociability attributes to maximise hkw attractive they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:08 PM
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I'm not dating someone that has one foot out the door already
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:06 PM
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I don't like girls that don't like me back
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:06 PM
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I agree. Most dating issues boil down to "I'm not desirable enough for the people I want" in some form or fashion
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 04:53 PM
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At the very least, you have nothing to lose Except time and energy
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 04:51 PM
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Have their own doubts and issues and may not be comfortable going to you yet especially if the relationship is brand new Which is why it's better to cut it off and just look for someone who doesn't need you walking them through their own shit
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 04:49 PM
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The point still applies in that case.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 04:06 PM
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There is, I just don't think an edgy post in the ether is grounds for being one.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 11:30 AM
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I don't think posts from randoms suggest the existence of misandry, no.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 11:20 AM
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<image> If you tell a misogynist to not have sex with women, they will get angry and argumentative. This is because they believe women are objects they're entitled to, and that by telling them to not to have sex you are stripping them of some sort of right they have. They want to fight for their right. If you tell a male-centered woman to not have sex with men, they will get defensive and self-victimise. This is because they want to defer to men and see it as a privelege to be able to do so. It'…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 10:10 AM
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The nuance is irrelevant. The original gweet makes no mention of a situationship necessarily being short term.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 01:19 AM
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If it's long term, it's a fuck buddy. The original tweet seems to disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 12:06 AM
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Yeah, and someone who is pushing for more would either succeed at turning it into more or rhey would leave. Of course there's an inbetween period but there is no way for a situationship where one party wants more ti sustain itself for any meaningful amount of time. The only people who are in situationships over a long term are people who are happy with the nature of said situationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 11:13 PM
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A situationship can have someone who is pushing for more Then they wouldn't be in a situationship A situationship can have someone who isn't pushing for more. Then they don't want more.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 10:54 PM
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I don't think in every situationship one is pushing for more. Then they aren't wishing for more. So the tweet is wrong. I think it's just a synonym of "friends with benefits" or "casual relationship + extras" but I could be wrong I agree, but that's not what the tweet is saying
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 10:17 PM
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<image> Whenever I see descriptions like this I'm just confused. If you wish for it to be more, why aren't you pushing for it to be more? If you're content and willing to not rock the boat, then surely you're happy with it being casual? This is just further nonsense to try and browbeat people into undertaking your timeline, much like garbage like "the friendzone"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 09:43 PM
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What do you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:40 PM
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<image> I don't think you should be allowed to talk about people who don't want you like this. It is a poison of the soul. The male equivalents are included
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:58 PM
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No. I think it requires a lot more than a cake though.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:50 PM
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An alternative in what way? I don't think being single is a life doomed to loneliness, but at the same time, some people just want relationships dude. You're portraying the want for relationships like it's a means to an end, like you can just repackage the outcomes in a different form and it'll be the same. But a lot od people want relationships for relationships sake. They want the romantic love and the companionship and the whole lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:01 PM
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The woman that made a cake about men
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 03:49 PM
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<image> Misandry is when a male-centered woman makes a cake, and yet PPDers expect me to take the concept seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 02:34 PM
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Any actions taken in an attempt to make a specific woman like you, or to convince a woman who does not like you to do something such as date you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 02:30 PM
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Men choose to enter dangerous or physically labour intensive jobs. Men choose to be miserable and lonely. Men choose to dampen their emotions so they can’t feel their grief and can only express anger and aggression. Men choose to be violent towards women. Men choose to rape women. Men choose to end up ostracised by society or in prison. Yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:18 PM
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Even if all the answer to the answer to 1 and 2 was no and the answer to 3 was yes, it wouldn't change the fundamental fact that's men's issues aren't women's problem and they don't have any inherent need to care about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 02:05 AM
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Even though they have all these choices of men why do they always find themselves in iffy situations with them Because they choose the iffy ones
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 06:29 PM
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Well, it is fiction
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 06:28 PM
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What was the question
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 06:28 PM
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Yeah it's basically the exact opposite lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 05:19 PM
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Men wanting to look attractive is understandable. Is it? There seems to be a philosophical aversion a lot of people have to men wanting to improve and change their looks, even beyond the most ridicilous excesses of looksmaxxing. Body positivty seems to be a very fragile notion
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:31 PM
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I agree
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:36 PM
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I've never had it
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:16 PM
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Uh huh. Still, it's a strange request. If she doesn't want to pay she's free to just break it off. There's nothing wrong with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 11:05 AM
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<image> The best part of reddit stories will forever be patting myself on the back for how simple my life is on account of my better choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 10:58 AM
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Most people just don't give a fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 09:06 AM
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Why not? Covert contracts are nonsense. What if it was a dinner and not fuel? It wouldn't change anythinf.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 08:49 AM
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I think the population of truly skilled liars is exaggerated
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:35 PM
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Then I guess we'll never know
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:35 PM
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I disagree. Most men are stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:12 PM
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You'd have to ask them
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:11 PM
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Are they even getting dates? If women are complaining about them, yeah?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:09 PM
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How do you spot liars? Familiarise yourself with how people lie and really how people behave in general. The vast majority of people aren't good liars. If you can't do it and insist on weaponised incompetence then again, just don't date men. That's foolproof and requires zero people reading or discernment skills whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:07 PM
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The liars getting dates don't seem to be the ones complaining. They have no reason to change if they like their current situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:05 PM
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He'a autistic and/or stupid. She doesn't have to pay anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:04 PM
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A) Spot through liars B) Don't date men
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:03 PM
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<image> Many such cases! Misandry doesn't exist
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:02 PM
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It's not a personal attack. I just don't care about your grievances and they have nothing to do with the conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:01 PM
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I don't care about whatever grievances you have about whatever stinky slob you dated that you're bitter about. My point stands.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 06:45 PM
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We agree then.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 05:24 PM
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5'8 is short. This guy should go to therapy though
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 05:23 PM
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If it had a lot to do with attraction they wouldn't have dated them to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 05:18 PM
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It's a good comparison because in both cases it is an incompatibility that is best solved by going your separate ways and looking for someone that's more compatible
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 05:17 PM
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The percentage doesn't matter. The fact it is non-zero inherently means that "wants a relationship = desire" is a faulty heuristic. The only way to guarantee desire is assessing action.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 05:13 PM
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believe women’s standards are impossibly high Men who think that are stupid
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 03:21 PM
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It's France vs Spain. England play tomorrow
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:31 PM
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Regarding "She will jump your bones immediately if she really, truly wants you," this assumes both that "true" sexual desire will always take precedence over personal boundaries This is a valid assumption.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:29 PM
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Waiting for marriage shows that there isn't desire
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:28 PM
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You should ask the women that talk about how their partner "grew on them"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:27 PM
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some guys are really good at “performing” - hell, women are good at performing. It's more that a lot of people are really bad at spotting someone putting on an act. (Or they don't care enough to)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:26 PM
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Why do you make the assumption that relationships start out with little/no desire? Some do, some don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:25 PM
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Yeah this is completely sound. Men that complain about dead bedrooms instead of leaving are stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:24 PM
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Because eventually systems with higher birth rates and less rights for women are going to take over. And those systems will eventually result in women getting their rights back and going childfree again.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 01:51 PM
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<image> It seems I've discovered the looks equivalent of a midwit
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 12:19 AM
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So you disagree with PPDers that use weaponised incompetence terms like "mind reading" to justify their lack of discernment?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 12:04 AM
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It's the men on this sub constantly crashing out about not having everything explicitly enumerated all the time and raging about indirect communication and having to care about body language. And they are stupid. I don't care for the whataboutism though. they want to portray women as stupid for not immediately knowing who and who isn't a malignant narcissist. You're doing the thing I described.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 12:01 AM
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How have MRAs helped anyone?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 11:51 PM
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discernment of women Many PPDers tell me it's impossible for anyone to discern anyone else's behaviour. "We aren't mindreaders" and all.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 11:48 PM
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I agree. Someone's standards aren't anyone else's business, except in cases where they are complaining in which case they should be told to choose better and leave it at that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 11:47 PM
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No.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 11:46 PM
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Yeah many men fail to understand this. The ingroup bias women have for men they like is far greater than the ingroup bias for the sisterhood
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 05:13 PM
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Good
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 05:12 PM
-1

Yes?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 05:07 PM
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<image> Many such cases! Remember that misandry isn't real
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 04:43 PM
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A non chad trying to have sex by the second date is a hard ask regardless, especially if she’s in their league. You’re either trying to get lucky or need a lower quality woman. I'm not sure what you're getting at You’re also saying women don’t like honesty I mean yeah they certainly don't like this kind of sterilised autistic honesty. it’s what they ask for. Watch what they do etc etc
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 04:31 PM
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Good for them. I'll keep telling women that complain to choose better then.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 04:10 PM
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Because it is a consensual transaction
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 04:08 PM
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It's good to see that choosing better is working well for them
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 03:58 PM
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Both parties didn’t need to waste their time, effort or money on something that may not have gone anywhere. I mean at that point you may as well not go on any dates. Even women that could be interested would be turned off by this kind of autistic approach. I think you just have to accept there will be sone airballs and be willing to dump quickly when it's being more trouble than it's worth.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 03:47 PM
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Nah he'll fold as usual
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 03:45 PM
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"The grey area" is simply that women like being asked out by guys they're attracted to and don't like being asked out by guys they aren't attracted to. The problem with your post is that this simply doesn't matter. What difference does it make to your life if a woman that doesn't like you and that you'll never see again is a bit uncomfortable or thinks you're cringe? Absolutely none. Stop caring about the confort and opinions of strangers and start caring about what actually works.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 03:39 PM
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What is the material difference between asking for low standards and asking for "realistic" ones besides a subjective and arbitrary value judgment?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 03:30 PM
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Then just stop dating insecure women
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 03:22 PM
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When I ask this the answer women eventually give me tends to be "because they're stupid".
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 01:52 PM
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Preferences are amoral. There is no such thing as a "moral preference".
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 09:08 AM
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It's very autistic and I wouldn't recommend going about things like that. Calling it coercive is laughable though.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 01:27 AM
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It's a transactional ultimatum dressed up in the language of consent. Is any kind of dealbreaker in a relationshop a "transactional ultimatum"?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 12:35 AM
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I'd say those aren't the same thing. A getaway driver is aiding the robber in escaping with what they stole and preventing them from facing justice. That's not the same as having sex with someone. The more accurate equivalent would be turning a blind eye and minding your business if you see a store getting robbed across the street. In this case I don't think you'd have any moral responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 08:58 PM
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The amount of good men heavily outweigh amount of women who are potentially good. Based on what? The situation will not change unless instead of blaming men and patriarchy for their bad choices and understand men they are attracted to have abundance of women under their hands to give them freedom to treat women as expendable option What situation? Weren't you saying there's plenty of good men? What does this have to do with the title?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 08:00 PM
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the reason he tried to sabotage it? she said no to sex with him and refused his sexual advances and said NO to him Wasn't this like his whole MO males should not be movie critics or people in power or anything I mean, those guys aren't critics. It's lazy edgelord posting, hardly any kind of review.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 07:57 PM
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The pain is entirely caused by the partner though.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 04:55 PM
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<image> I retain that cheating amoral, but I understand why someone would think it isn't. What I can't grasp is why anyone would think the homewrecker has any moral responsibility, particularly in a situation like this where they have no real ties to the couple
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:15 PM
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I didn't watch the full video, there is nothing in her initial comments that warrants this guy stickibg around for a 3 minute interaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:09 PM
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How are you determining whether comments you get are from bi men?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:07 PM
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Wether they are ugly or not is an outside factor No it isn't. It is the specific factor beibg selected for Where's the merit there? The merit is that attractive people are more desirable partners and therefore their deserve dating success on merit. Being tall helps you in basketball, of course. Meaning that tall players are selected on merit. It isn't an outside factor. what even is 'merit'? Merit Noun the quality of being good and deserving praise
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:06 PM
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Not really. I didn't found people compatible with me until I moved, for example. Different places, different cultures, different people. Then I guess you're an exception. If you're born ugly, or dumb, you're that. You can't change that, it's ingrained. You can offset it through effort, to a point. Also the other way around; I'm very good looking, for example, but that was complete luck. Yeah, and attractive people merit dating success, ugly people don't. That's not an outside factor. You can see…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:28 PM
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I haven't said anything about dating apps. I'm talking about dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:22 PM
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Your environment, which affects the type of people that surround you, is an outside factor. Your environment plays a relatively small effect on dating success. It is not the make or break. Your genetics, which you can't choose, are an outside factor. No they aren't. People select for the genetics they like dating. They are the opposite of an outside factor. The luck required to find someone you click with, and have them click too, are also outside factors. This doesn't exist. There is no chance …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:10 PM
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A hypothetical you made up is not the bar for truth, no. merit based means you somehow earned it or worked towards it. Earned yes, worked towards it no. Merit is purely about suitability and capability. There is no inherent notion of it requiring work to warrant merit. Most of the things people look for when it comes to attraction and wholly outside of that persons control. If they have the things people look and choose for, it means they merit being looked and chosen for.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:05 PM
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Yes. Dating is one if the very few things with effectively no outside factors. The only way to achieve better dating results is to be a more desirable partner. The only way for someone to fail is to not be desirable enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:59 PM
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Yeah, basically.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:04 PM
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nothing in life is entirely merit-based. Dating is an exception
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:00 PM
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The response would be different regardless of any infidelity involved. If a gay man who never cheated just came out and divorced he wouldn't have any of this grace of it being "unintentional" or "just realised".
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:00 PM
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It is entirely merit-based.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 12:37 PM
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Have to give it to Lilith, not a single soul could've predicted the point of this post was just an excuse to share the baloon video again
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 12:37 PM
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<image> Am I crazy or would a gay man who lied about his sexuality for years not get the "unintentional" label? I don't think it's that big of a deal, dating is amoral and he should've chose better, but it's always strange seeing this sort of pervasive attitude to strip women of agency in relationships and protray them as unconscious actors being carried by the tide
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:12 AM
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Could someone who knows anthropology or social psychology explain this strange and fascinating phenomenon? lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 10:22 AM
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What's the point of debate posts centered entirely on your feelings? Are we supposed to debate how you feel and try to brainwash you?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 09:08 AM
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Men need to stop seeing "but if he was attractive" as a gotcha and start seeing it as encouragement.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 09:03 AM
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Unserious people, maybe.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 08:18 AM
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Yours is a literal "no, u" argument. I haven't made an argument because there isn't one to make. OP hasn't provide any reasoning for their position. The average man (77%) is more likely to be fat than the average woman (69%) is. So not only are men shallow, they're also fat hypocrites. Diets and gym discipline apply to women only, while men are allowed to guzzle beer and glizzies on the couch because only men are allowed to be visual creatures. Women, on the other hand, earned the right to be sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 10:55 PM
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Every women who is in love Unless she is asexual or something Is it every or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 10:24 PM
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This is purely "no you" conjecture. There's nothing to debate
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 10:22 PM
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<image> Sorry guys, sex is over
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 07:58 PM
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Honestly men in age gap relationships should do this too instead of being so whiny about it
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 04:48 PM
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<image> "misandry" look inside it's just basic ass in group bias It's the most nonexistent thing to ever not exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:23 PM
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Getting upset at anyone's dating choices is silly
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:19 PM
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What is a formerly slutty women who has a high n count and wants to "repent for her sins" actually supposed to do? Hope she finds someone who doesn't mind? It's not a 1 to 1 example but it's like a felon asking what he's supposed to be about dating with a criminal record. There's nothing to do, you just try to find someone where it's not a dealbreaker. Sometimes there isn't a magical phrase or lifehack to couple up with someone. You just have to accept some people won't want you and look for peo…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:16 PM
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That just sounds like professionals being annoyed at non-professionals sticking their nose into professional business. Seems pretty inoffensive.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:09 PM
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Intra-women comflict is so weird to see <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:08 PM
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<image> Do you think they were inspired by PPDers posting about comphet
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 12:38 PM
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Anyone who isn't an abusive monster should support access to divorce
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 09:18 AM
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Are you sure they're married and not just method acting for a sitcom
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:27 AM
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This is black and white thinking. "Caring more about X" just isn't how relationships actually work
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 12:56 AM
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These actually aren't my screenshots lol. My tiktok fyp is just sports and games and like variety interedt stuff. I only get shown gender stuff on twitter
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 12:22 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 12:02 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 12:02 AM
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<image> This would've been great material for the dudes that were obsessively posting about comphet before it got banned
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 12:01 AM
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I agree that men should leave women who don't have sex with them
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 09:48 PM
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4b isn't real. It's a subculture in Korea and doesn't exist anywhere else
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 06:45 PM
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<image> This topic has caused a bit of hubbub and I am using it as another example of how aloofness and a lack of neuroticism, on top of being inherently attractive traits, are also important for navigating the market to begin with. It also explains basically all complaints men (especially PPD men) have about dating advice and what women tell them. All dating advice and all dating discourse is fundamentally useless to any man who doesn't understand that the right answer to this question is "stop…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 05:23 PM
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Many women on PPD seem to have the same view. They try to shame people who want out of an incompatible relationship and paint them as bad people for doing so.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 05:15 PM
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What about "fix the legal system so that this doesn't happen?" Because there's better things to do with the legal system than giving numbnuts dumb enough to get married and have kids an easy way out.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:19 PM
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What if it is a relative or someone you love? I don't care either. Hopefully they figure it out, but that's the end of my interest. We have obligations to others whether we like it or not. I have obligations to be a good and productive person. I don't have obligations to watch people fuck up thwir life and then make me pick up the piece for them. You do not have to give what you cannot but there should be programs for addicts and mental illness Mental illness isn't self-inflicted. What programs …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:17 PM
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Why is your answer "don't get married" vs "be a stay-at-home dad?" Because getting married and taking care of kids sucks
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:09 PM
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You don't have to marry a stay-at-home mom, if it's an "equal" relationship, or one of the cases where 11%-22% of live births happen to a child whose parents are broken up, custody still often goes to the mother. It has to be that rare stay-at-home dad for custody to *sometimes* go to the father. Then don't get married Yeah, that's BS. Women fuck these men at the end of the day. If men drafting other men was actually unattractive to women, no man would do it. What?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:04 PM
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Empathy and sympathy are themselves unhelpful
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:57 PM
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What does worrying about themselves look like if adjusting and adapting to their situation isn't that?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:55 PM
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If the problem is self-inflicted, yeah? At that point it's not even about gender. I don't care about anyone's self-inflicted problems, man or woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:54 PM
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Third
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 09:26 PM
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Thing is a lot of women are into the idea of a natural chad. They see a man who became attractive through deliberate effort and work as a counterfeit, a ruse. It doesn't manifest in practice (they just convince themselved a synthetic chad is a natural chad anyway), but it's a very strong bias in the abstract so it's a big hurdle in changing stereotypes such as this.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 08:26 PM
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Then I wouldn't like or love either of these women
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 06:31 PM
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Because usually all a man has to do is go to work then come home Women are free to expect more of men. It's not some fundamental law of the universe to be fine with a man just going to work and coming home
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 06:05 PM
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What is "giving sex"? Why is the LTR doomed to average quality once a month? I wouldn't like or love either of these women
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 06:04 PM
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What’s extreme about it? Bodybuilding is a single-minded obsession that the vast majority of men do not care about and will never engage with the results of. Using it as the primary example for how physique plays into dating is like using the Unabomber as an example against environmentalism.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 04:04 PM
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Other than any fraud involved, not really no.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 03:58 PM
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Innocent of what? I wouldn't say anything you've described qualifies as a bad person
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:32 PM
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You were presented with an objection about sexual and relationship dynamics and dismissed it on the basis of the most extreme and bad faith example available.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 12:50 PM
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nikki has avoidant attachment, she's sleeping with ian who clearly have feelings for her but she probably doesn't recepocate, and sleeping with him doesn't help. other than that we don't know much about her personality and life. That diesn't sound all that bad
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 12:19 PM
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So being a serial cheater Morally? Yes. Of course it's an interpersonal hurdle but I don't think there's any moral value attached to it. It's like being rude. People won't like you (rightfully), but I don'tt hink it makes someone a morally bad person. manipulating your partner Manipulation gets into rape territory. Rape isn't dating abusing your partner Assault isn't dating. finding partners simply because you can use them What do you mean by "using them"? underage grooming Rape isn't dating
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:05 AM
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I meant critiques of incels. It seems like a movie really invested in feeling proud for pointing out that autistic hyperincels are bad
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 10:58 AM
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I don't. Dating is entirely amoral
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 10:56 AM
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The suggestion that someone's choices on who they date, how they date, whether they date etc. has any moral value.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 09:59 AM
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I haven't seen it but every clip of it I've seen shared around comes off like the whole point is to make the audience pat themselves on the back for acknowledging 5+ year old incel critiques
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 09:44 AM
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Your firm belief seems to be rooted in incredibly dishonest rationale so I struggle to see why men should take any of your guidance seriously
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 09:42 AM
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Well some women are into muscles And yet you chose to make the first engagement with that topic through the most maximalist, bad faith example
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 09:34 AM
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Except bodybuilding isn't the only way in which muscularity manifests. This is a very dishonest way of engaging already.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 09:29 AM
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Moralization hurts both sexes greatly in the market. It's a shame there's so many bad actors who keep trying to push it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 08:59 AM
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Men are devaluing their presence and company and making themselves a nuisance. You can't devalue something that never had any to begin with. Women have never appreciated, enjoyed, or valued (romantic) prescence and company from ugly, lame and boring men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 08:51 AM
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No, I don't think a cabal of the super rich indicates a wider trend. The OP's presents it as if it's something happening among the Common Joe. The Epstein class are an issue of class and power, not men as a whole
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 10:59 PM
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Plenty of women voted for the Epstein class. Plenty of men are against it. I don't see why an ultrarich cabal is a "persistent issue". That suggests it's a wider trend
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 10:15 PM
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Well I haven't found them so they don't seem that common
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 09:58 PM
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I don't know any pedophiles and I've never seen these excuses for predators. You'd have to give some examples
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 09:28 PM
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I didn't feel like logging in to see the former one but the latter one gives off big fake tough energy so probably that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 08:44 PM
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I've never heard it referenced in regards to six packs personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 08:42 PM
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For her. Now she has to take care of a bunch of kids
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 08:41 PM
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Which is?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 08:01 PM
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She was back to primary custodian within within 2 months Brootal
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:57 PM
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Isnt it supposed to be six feet six figures six inches
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:56 PM
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It is always very funny to see this image come to life <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 03:07 PM
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Money
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:14 PM
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Many such cases. Reddit advice subs are seemingly full of people with the worst conflict resolution skills imaginable
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 09:52 AM
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Multiple times I've asked PPDers asking for empathy whether they'd be truly satisfied woth "yeah that sucks". The majority of the time they admit the answer is no.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 09:44 AM
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That's awesome dude
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 09:45 PM
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No one has empathy for people in general, at least not the kind of "empathy" PPD men ask for. If you tell the vast majority of people that someone they don't know, haven't met, and likely will never meet is struggling with something as trivial as "I'm not happy with my dating life", their response will overwhelmingly be something akin to "that sucks I guess". Evopsych isn't relevant here. People just don't care that much about complete strangers.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 09:40 PM
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That's unfortunare. Moid is a great word
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 08:29 PM
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No to both
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 08:19 PM
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Probably not.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 08:19 PM
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I don't use dating apps so I don't know. I don't date people who reject me, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 07:21 PM
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I never said it was
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 06:29 PM
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It is a good example of why allosexuals shouldn't date asexuals and why you shouldn't date someone who doesn't like you
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 04:41 PM
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I mean it's just standard stuff. She wants the guy she likes to initiate and raise the tempo and she wants the guy she doesn't like to back off. Something you just have to understand is that outside like the extreme shit there's no need to care about what's considered "wrong" or "creepy" or whatever. Your actions will be moulded based on her assessment of you anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 01:00 PM
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This a false equivalence. The opposite of being shy isn't being a serial killer and the opposite of a serial killer isn't a shy guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 10:13 AM
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Even without children, women often end up taking on more domestic labor in live-in relationships. Because of that, I don't see the benefit of living together without the legal and social commitment of marriage How does moving in after marriage solve this?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 05:43 PM
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People focus on the things they lack. A fed but thirsty person will be more concerned with water than food, even though humans need both.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 05:17 PM
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Women can think whatever they want about "wife material"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 05:11 PM
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I'd go with seperation. I imagine being conjoined is a nightmare. I'd assume my quality of life would be better on my own but asexual than conjoined with a penis. Add on the moral implications for my brother and it's a pretty definitive vote for separation.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 11:54 PM
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Why is it only fraud when women do it? Extracting money/resources under false pretenses is fraud when men do it too.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 11:50 PM
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Putting the mother in jail punishes the child too, and that’s not fair. It could take away their only parent and end up putting them into the foster care system. Accountability should fall on the person who committed the fraud, not on the child. This is applicable to any crime done by a parent.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:17 PM
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you ever think to yourself how irredeemably abysmal life is for love to be contingent on something so petty and meaningless as whether or not you happen to be one of a million other miserable species? Are you friends with worms? Do you buy things made by worms from worms? Suggesting that the difference between engaging with humans and with worms is petty or meaningless is such an utterly laugable premise.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 04:47 PM
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I specifically filter for women with compatible libidos.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 01:04 PM
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Drinking coffee isn't a very intensive experience though? I don't see why someone would have any problems engaging in conversation while drinking one.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:48 PM
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I largely agree but who focuses on their food at a coffee shop
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 09:06 PM
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Whenever people argue against the looks and sociability pill, they agree to the premises (necause they're truisms), but then disagree with the conclusion just for the sake of it. This is how you know it's true.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 05:35 PM
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Well I'd just disagree
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:36 PM
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They don't have to be mutially exclusive though. Someone can be simultaneously cute and hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 02:34 PM
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The looks weekly is still in cycle
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 02:31 PM
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Just because some men are attractive enough to get away with being toxic, usually with women who are similarly toxic, does not mean that your own toxicity isn’t a reason for your dating failures. That's exactly what it means though. Clearly the determinant factor is being unattractive. If both toxic and non-toxic hot, fun and exciting men do well, while both toxic and non-toxic ugly, lame and boring men do badly, saying toxicity is the cause of lack of dating success is entirely irrational.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 02:26 PM
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Every single study on the topic shows that people look for partners who are kind or generally exhibit pro social behaviors. Which is irrelevant to the point, since being ugly broke and awkward aren't pro-social traits. Being awkward is anti-social if anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 01:18 PM
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They were settled for
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 01:16 PM
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Men with a backbone > men without a backbone. Morality has no effect on attraction
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 01:15 PM
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Is this written by AI?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:42 AM
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The prejudices are harmful, the preferences themselves aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:01 PM
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Preferences are not harmful
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 06:57 PM
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It's unfair to demand anyone changes any standard they have
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 06:57 PM
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The emotions of men are male emotions
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 03:27 PM
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I never said anything about having it hard. My reply didn't involve a value judgment, it just explained how it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 03:21 PM
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How people engage with their emotions clearly is.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 03:20 PM
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No
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 01:35 PM
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Shaming only works if someone is already ashamed of the thing in question.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 01:35 PM
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There's no objective basis for the "right" things to open up about, it is simply a form of plausible deniability for women being unable to handle male emotions. The only person who could provide a consistent and reliable assessment of a man's emotions is himself. It is far more productive for a man to be emotionally robust and capable and handle his own emotione than to play these kinds of word games.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 01:29 PM
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I read it. How people rank a line-up of photos is indeed worthless to actual dating dynamics. Men don't want to be number 1 in a study. They want to be the guy she breaks her rules for and demands the least investment from. Women don't want to be number 1 in a study, they want to be the gal he can't stop thinking about and the one he goes out of his way for.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:48 AM
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Sure
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:42 AM
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Is it just me or is there an increasing amount of circlejerking going scot free in main threads? I'm not even making an accusation of bias since it doesn't seem particularly targeted, but it feels like recently like 30% of parent comments in a debate post will just be people reaffirming the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:40 AM
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Self reported rankings are largely worthless data.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:35 AM
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There was a thread just yesterday where multiple users said exactly those phrases.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:32 AM
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It was zero.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:32 AM
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I don't care about what people would answer in a an abstract hyppthetical scenario. When this conversation comes up naturally that's what the response to men is.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 08:46 PM
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It's not a made up scenario. When men talk about leaving a relationship because of a lack of sex, they are called selfish and childish.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 08:30 PM
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It isn't hypothetical. None of the responses to that OP called her childish, selfish, or that she only cared about sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 07:40 PM
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I support the OP in wanting to leave. I just think the difference in response is strange.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 07:21 PM
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<image> How many responses do you think there were calling the OP "selfish", "childish", or "obsessed with sex"?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 06:34 PM
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I'm glad misandry doesn't exist so I benefit from not facing any sexism for being a man, but I'm also glad it doesn't exist because it not existing has created the word moid. -oid words are so fun to say but people who say foid are really annoying. Thankfully, misandry diesn't exist and therefore women created the word moid, so now I have a -oid word to use that doesn't have any negative effects.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 03:49 PM
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But the whole point of standards is it's about what you want. You're acting as if they're just entirely arbitrary. It increases filtering of potentially good partners, not just bad ones (false negatives) A good partner would meet my standards. People who don't meet them aren't false negatives, they're just people I wouldn't want to date It encourages optimization of traits that don’t reliably predict long-term relationship quality. Relationship quality is entirely subjective It shifts focus from…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 11:45 AM
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I agree that people shouldn't get married
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 09:59 AM
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Would you pay for a girl you are dating if she asks you to pay for something like her nails or hair or cosmetics or something else she asks for? No would you do this for your hipothetical long term partner (5y+ or married)? No Would you do it for a girl you just started seeing? No What about before the first date? No
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 05:27 PM
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Many such cases
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 04:15 PM
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There was only one real upset. Today I can see Mexico going out but that's about it
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 04:14 PM
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<image> growframe: yeah so the "male loneliness epidemic" is a made up grift. People just want a buzzword to attach to their random personal grievances. PPDers: noooo its totally like a real thing here's like some random study about a completely different subject Real users online: the male loneliness epidemic is when I have personal grievances Many such cases
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 02:31 PM
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It happens far less, yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:55 AM
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Attractive pwople aren't desperate and know how to avoid people that are abusive, selfish, and cheaters.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:50 AM
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I mean this post is entirely conjecture. But sure, a lot of people would benefit from taking more accountability.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:49 AM
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Your question is in bad faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 01:15 AM
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If an average person dates other average people then it sounds like looks do play a big role. There's a reason they aren't dating below or above average people, and that reason is looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 01:14 AM
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No one likes 6 brootal
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 01:12 AM
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I mean they are bad but Germany aren't any good either
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 01:11 AM
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Because I do not care for your cheap hysterics
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 01:11 AM
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I don't particularly care about your standards for should.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 11:18 PM
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I can cohabitate with whoever I want
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:29 PM
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I would never get married in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:14 PM
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Abortion is not banned in the UK
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 05:11 PM
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I don't see why either of these scenarios require the government getting involved
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 04:09 PM
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It is deeply funny to see the most pompous and self-aggrandizing users comment in other threads about how every relationship they've had crashed and burned.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:37 PM
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Yeah it's amazing
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:35 PM
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Because blue pill is the platitudes. People dress it up but at it's core blue pill is a restatement of the status quo.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:20 PM
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I don't care about these sorts of power games
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:17 PM
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First
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:15 PM
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Many such cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:12 PM
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I don't remember anything I was doing at 2 years old
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:11 PM
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Good question. I don't think people should get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:10 PM
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Commitment doesn't mean you can just invoke it to trap someone in an unsuccessful relationship. That's abuser talk.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:29 AM
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I wasn't planning to
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:28 AM
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I don't think an ancient phrase should force people to stay in bad relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:27 AM
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Some of us are more loyal than that I don't see loyalty to a bad relationship as a virtue. But if that's your view, I never want to hear one word over women being shallow. That's fine. Shallow is a useless and presumptious word and I don't use it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:26 AM
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<image> Are women inventing AFBB from first principles? It's funny how many dating gripes just get mirrored
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:27 AM
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Yeah manhaters are fun to date
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:14 AM
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The vows are a tradition from the time of blood sacrifice. I don't see why they should be binding people to incompatible relationships in the modern day.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:14 AM
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Culture and attachment play huge roles in it and it's not just some transactional market that commodifies people. That doesn't really prove anything. Culture and attachment play a role in all kinds of markets. Different cultures have different attitudes regarding meat consumption. Brand loyalty is rife. Do these factors somehow prevent there being a market based around sellers supplying a resource and buyers demanding it?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:12 AM
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Should they be tossed out? If the woman wants to, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:06 AM
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You really think women don’t use sex to keep a man they want around until they have the leverage to keep him without the sex? Then it's the man's fault for allowing someone to have leverage over him.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:02 AM
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There's a better alternative to all of these which is dating an allosexual woman instead of an asexual one.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:58 AM
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I will say shit does happen . Health changes, life changes etc. Which is thankfully why breakups and divorce exists
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:56 AM
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<image> PPD Men will insist that misandry is real and it totally isn't all just performative posting
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 10:42 PM
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Should it not be? It's a post clearly made in bad faith as a snarky retort rather than something OP actually believes in and has rational merit. OP didn't make the post with the aim of any notion of productive discourse and similar posts are rightfully removed.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 10:34 PM
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Women are a part of the LGBTQ+ community so I don't see the distinction. So are men? So are black people? Are you suggesting there is no separation whatsoever between race, sexuality and gender issues? If things are already bad making it even more difficult My argument is it doesn't seem like misogyny makes it meaningfully more difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:19 PM
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How fast were you expecting? It's natural to have the most gains early on.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 04:56 PM
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Nigerian ragebait
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 04:14 PM
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There's plenty of women going after good men. I just wish the women going after bad men stopped complaining about their own choices
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 03:04 PM
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Top tier man > top tier woman > low tier woman > low tier man
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 01:40 PM
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Some women dating nazi’s doesn’t mean women don’t make dating decisions based on politics. Obviously many women do. Obviously a guy being a Nazi would be a turn off to most women, key word being most- it’s not just that some women are okay with a guy being a Nazi, some women are Nazis themselves and so a guy being a Nazi to them is a plus lol. How many though? There's plenty of misogynists that are partnered up. It's not like it's some vanishingly small block of women. People choose to date and …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 01:25 PM
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How far will the girly misandryposting go? Probably as long as it keeps getting clicls and making men whine
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 12:24 PM
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what is your fucking point? My point is that it seems pretty clear women don't make dating decisions based on politics, and it is therefore not a relevant point to bring up for why someone wouldn't suceed. people like this still find partners Then clearly there's a different explanation for why a misogynist fails in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 09:27 PM
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It's a psyop where men try to manufacture an insecurity of hipdips
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 09:03 PM
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For the same reasin the women settle: desperation
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 07:46 PM
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There are frequent threads where men complain that it is bad that women have financial independance and therefore men have less capacity to buy their way into relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 07:45 PM
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Are there? I haven't seen anything like that
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 07:43 PM
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<image> "The gender war" is just constant back and forth negging
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 07:42 PM
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Woman with hip dips
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 07:41 PM
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Yeah
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 07:41 PM
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Which of these two is worse? Worse by what metric? And which of these two will have more dating success? This depends on a lot. What spaces is she to begin with? A will do better if she's already in high-class places, B will do better if you just plop them down in a city. The men A wants are likely to want her to have her own, fairly advanced, education, the men B wants might be a bit looser.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 07:40 PM
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to build a life with someone you love You don't need marriage for that access to healthcare information in an emergency, spousal benefits, estate planning Afaik you don't need marriage for that
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 06:37 PM
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I mean sure but I was talking in general terms. The point was to show how the concept od looksmatching is applied in a silly way than putting a definite judgment on baldness
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 06:34 PM
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I'm aware it's a thing in LGBTQ+ spaces. I wasn't talking about LGBTQ+ people, I was talking about women. If you're struggling due to looks adding on misogyny certainly won't make anything better. Yeah, it won't hurt either.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 06:33 PM
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I didn't know you had the ask the audience lifeline left
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 06:26 PM
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There's an inherent sampling bias involved. This question doesn't invite people who just married for love, stability included or not, to share their experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 06:22 PM
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I notice you haven't mentioned any other benefits
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 06:18 PM
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Eh it's not that bad
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 06:17 PM
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<image> This ad is actually kinda brootal
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 06:16 PM
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In theory you'd look at leagues. If being bald put you in the bottom 40% of men let's say, your looksmatch would be a bottom 40% woman so fat, a bit ugly, etc. A lot of looksmatchers are autistic about it though so they'd say yes lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 06:16 PM
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And if you don't have kids, there's no point in marriage???? Precisely
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 06:14 PM
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Can you please list the positive utilities of marriage??? -Makes it easier to take care of kids. It doesn't have any others
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 06:05 PM
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The benefits of getting married. Anyone who isn't planning on having children doesn't get any positive utility out of marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 05:43 PM
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It doesn't have any othee benefits, so it seems like it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 04:55 PM
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Men's main leverage is looks and sociability, just like it is for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 04:39 PM
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As if getting married is only for having children. Well yeah
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 04:37 PM
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Struggling males: It's over it's brootal if you aren't a 6'4 chad it's over 666 hypergamy 5'11 PPDer: i'm 5'11 and I do alright Struggling male: 5'11 is so tall that's basically chad imagine how it would be if you were 5'10
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 04:36 PM
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<image> (Some) PPDers: no no no trust me women definitely date based on politics, if struggling men weren't so misogynistc they'd do better Woman: dates a nazi
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:38 PM
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she seems sweet, just insecure. These traits are mutually exclusive.1
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:16 PM
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Divorce is awesome but I feel like that's more of an anti-marriage point than an anti-divorce point
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:15 PM
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<image> Even chad can struggle to find emotionally intelligent and healthy women. Brootal. I hope he can find better.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 02:35 PM
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How is it not a character flaw? For the same reason I don't consider eating bad food or watching bad movies to be a character flaw. It's an individual choice with no external effects.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 11:46 AM
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<image> This ragebait sucks so bad. They don't even attempt to play the character. The protagonist is somehow simultaneously based and chad enough to put his foot down and show the skank what's what, but also dumb and beta enough to ask reddit to explain the situation to him? This is a very common problem with ragebaits and it's frustrating because it's usually just a sign of laziness.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 11:45 AM
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No. Dating is an amoral act. It is not immoral or a character flaw to date a bad person, it is simply an individual personal choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 11:40 AM
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They would if its important But it is? Again, this is one of the most frequent points if relationship complaints
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 09:06 AM
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If it's a man saying it, it's cope or virtue signalling. If it's a woman saying it, it's because she's uninformed about male physique (possibly female physique too) and has a skewed perception of "muscular" Sometimes she's virtue signalling too, but it's usually just the above
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:19 AM
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The entire reason people use the word "personality" in these discussions is for the sake of motte and baileys. It's not really some sort of critical flaw of comprehension as you describe, it's just that the entire conversation is rooted in people wanting to have their cake and eat it while retaining plausible deniability. It is worthless to have discussions centered on a term used deliberately for the sake of vagueness rather than clarity.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:12 AM
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Seems like OP is correct then. These women would benefit from making this an expectation early on.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 09:19 PM
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Well it sounds like maybe these women should reconsider their priorities considering how big of a deal it seems to be. It's silly to kick the can down the road on large points of incompatibility all the way until they are maximally damaging
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 08:39 PM
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Very rarely anyone things "is this person cleaning the way I want them to clean?" They don't? It's one of if not the most central points of discussions in these kinds of online dating spaces.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 08:23 PM
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You just need to accept that in order to date So why do they choose to date?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 08:17 PM
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Then stop dating slobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 08:16 PM
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I don't know man I think it's pretty obvious why someone wouldn't want to do the thing that makes you fat, tired, less capable of physical activity and gives you cramps that ends in a painful expulsion of a baby you have to dump 18 years of time, money and energy into.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 07:15 PM
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Isn't this basically just red pill
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 05:31 PM
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I've never met a woman that tall so idk
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 04:07 PM
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You think the single mom is fat and ugly? She's a parent so yeah?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 04:07 PM
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What counts as tall? All women I see just parse as short to me
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:44 PM
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<image> Why the fuck would he do that
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:43 PM
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Okay? Good for them. That has nothing to do with my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:09 PM
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Both of their lives are lame
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:03 PM
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The hypothetical women you described think that. That's why they'd have to compromise in the first place. It is better for them to date people they're compatible with than people they aren't compatible with.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:01 PM
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If they don't like short men, yeah. It's much more efficient to just put in a line in the sand early rather than "compromising" for a mediocre relationship and then having a messy breakup anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 02:15 PM
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Flirty and charming, yes. Friendly not necessarily
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 01:35 PM
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<image> I've heard about this
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 01:34 PM
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By looking at how they treat you
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 01:25 PM
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Is that even that crazy? Like sure he's decently attractive, but it's not like he's some 10/10 demigod. And I mean yeah, that's a really strange initiation. You're not going to gave much luck with it regardless of how attractive you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 01:12 PM
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"Courting" is mutually exclusive with desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 10:59 AM
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Dating apps encourage people to be superficial and rule out things they would likely overlook or compromise on IRL if they like the person That sounds good. Compromising early on means a doomed relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 10:52 AM
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Women's ingroup bias for men they like is unbeatable.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 12:07 AM
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<image> "But abusers and bad men hide their true colours! Women aren't mindreaders, they can't choose better until it's too late!"
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 11:39 PM
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No
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:34 PM
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I mean she's super stand-offy. Both of these people seem annoying
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:29 PM
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How would you navigate any other situation where you aren't compatible and want to break it off? "I don't think we're going to work long term" or anything similar is all you need to convey.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:26 PM
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My parents split and a lot of pop-culture had stuff like sitcoms where the dad was treated like a dumb oaf. It made it clear a relationships for relationships' sake wasn't worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:23 PM
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<image>
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:38 PM
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I'll try to find it
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:37 PM
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Have you seen the genderdwapped one where she's holding a PS5
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:34 PM
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I'd guess this is the opposite. She probably "couldn't match his sexual energy" because she's neurotic about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:32 PM
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I hate when a thread gets locked in the middle of typing a reply
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:30 PM
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Your age 22 Number of approaches in 2026 I was already partnered, so zero?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:28 PM
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Being under-socialized is a dating problem
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:26 PM
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There is not such thing as deserving or not deserving love or sex There is. People who have people who want to love them and have sex with them deserve those things, people who don't don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 11:19 AM
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But this would rightfully sound ridicolous with any othee thing someone likes. If a guy dated a redhead before, is it then reasonable for any brunette he dates in the future to have an insecure meltdown over it?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 10:59 PM
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Literally Who Cares. Homophobes do
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 10:53 PM
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Those guys are proximity maxxing, its not really about intelligence.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 10:45 PM
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If they don't realise it then they're suckers anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:01 PM
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It's different if she actually likes you, yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 07:50 PM
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It's the most correct, most effective and most straightforward solution to most problems shared online.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 07:37 PM
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Presumably OP thinks highly enough of women to assume they know about gimmies like lying and manipulation lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 05:27 PM
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-Lovebombing -99% of cases people don't dodge questions by accident. If he can't give you a straight answer, it's because he doesn't like the consequences attached to the truth. Avoid assuming best intentions from people who haven't proved themselves worthy of it
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 05:25 PM
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Hence you get stories like "Initially, I didn't like my husband (aka his looks were not impressive) but as I got to know him, I started to like him". These relationships won't happen if most men just decide "fuck this, if she is not kissing me on the first date, it's a wrap". But these relationships suck so I don't see the point in preserving them
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 03:40 PM
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"nah this doesn't work for me, goodbye" or something like that 🥳 How often is this characterised as "he only wanted her for sex" or somesuch? Now asks her for romance/sex/affection in return for all those things he has done. Get told no. Burst out with the resentment he has all this time. You may say why is the girl hanging out with him - yeah some might be taking advantage of his simping while some may feel he's genuinely moved on from liking her romantically. But hey, either way - she already …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 02:30 PM
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Most girls are not "clearly" expressing this, they keep stringing them along because they like the attention. I have yet to see a scenario where a girl explicitly says "no" and the guy keeps chasing her. Most genz/zillenal men know that real life is not some rom-com where the good guy ends up getting the girl after chasing her. Anything except yes is a no.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 02:27 PM
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That stuff gets pumped out to other places, tiktok is just the place I most associate with it
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:10 AM
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Why do trad womem always have that weird energy like they're only half sentient
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:08 AM
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That sounds like woo woo tiktok coach slop.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:06 AM
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You should be asking all the women out there dating men that question instead
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:05 AM
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Does love only materialise in people being forced to stay in an unwanted marriage?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 10:25 PM
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I feel like the type of guy a girl would run this on is also not the type of guy who can just turn it on and woo the other girl on a whim.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 08:38 PM
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You can, but I will mildly judge you for copping out.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 08:28 PM
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It's nothing new anyway. Women have been gossiping about men forever She will believe that she is the special woman who can change him. It's not about changing him, it's more that she mentally changes him to fit her "standards". She convinces herself he's "one of the good ones", or that when he does something she doesn't like, he's doing it in a way that isn't that bad so it's ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 08:24 PM
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Q4W: Would you rather be alone in the woods with a bear, or a man that has been turned into a bear?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 07:40 PM
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That's a dumb thing to complain about
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 07:39 PM
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This is an aspect where you really do just have to touch grass. Women online are super performative and neurotic; engaging with women exclusively online will fry a man's brain.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 05:08 PM
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Well I can so my point stands
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 02:46 PM
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Nah, sexual relationships are better
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 02:35 PM
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Who are the buyers and who are the sellers? People dating. They are simultaneously buyers and sellers What are the resources being exchanged? Partnership, sex, loyalty, money, any other things that motivate people to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 02:04 PM
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There are resources being exchanged between buyers and sellers. What else would you call it other than a market?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 01:47 PM
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Also you act like being in a relationship means you will get sex everyday If you know what to look for, they can be
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 01:45 PM
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Because I like it
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 01:42 PM
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I don't. Other men seem to do it because they're really desperate.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 01:42 PM
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<image> Every other week we get posts from men about how "women hate men" and "misandry is everywhereeee" but in reality if you tell women not to play as sharkbait for men they'll get super defensive
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 11:37 AM
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<image> It's so funny seeing takes I make in the wild on radfem twitter
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 11:32 AM
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I've never had it. Regular tea is good enough for me
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 11:20 AM
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Anti-male sentiment and misandry are running rampant in popular culture. You can hardly open your Instagram for a few minutes without coming across anti-male content. This sentiment is entirely performative. Misandry doesn't actually exist. The vast majority of women are male-centered women that like men. If they like a guy, they'll acquiesce. Men today almost universally feel that their dating efforts aren't met with mutual effort from women and that dating women tends to feel somewhat like a j…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 11:19 AM
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I'm aware there is an alternative. I just think it's very telling that you seemingly can't substantially describe the alternative you believe exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 11:13 AM
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Bi people get stick from almost every side of the aisle. Straight women think bi men are gay and icky. Gay men think bi men are pretending. Lesbians think bi women are pretending. Straight men aren't outwardly hostile to bi women, but there can still be fetish-y undertones that they wouldn't appreciate.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 10:58 AM
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Q4Mods: Does a screenshot of a blackpill post for the purposes of making fun of it qualify for the "no incel/blackpill content" rule?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 08:52 PM
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It's interesting that you keep talking about what the alternative isn't rather than what it is. Almost as if you don't actually have anything concrete to suggest.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 08:49 PM
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Why are the comments pretending they don't understand OP's extremely straightforward (if a bit magnanimous) point?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 08:46 PM
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Well, we are already telling girls “how to not get spiked” And it should continue. Every 18 year old should know to not drink any drink you haven't been constantly watching. clearly more needs to be done. More, yes. The example I provided had an oppositional tone, not an additive one. The clubs need to be monitoring better and people need to call it out when they see it and call the police. Sure. That has nothing to do with teaching men not to spike though.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 07:40 PM
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I'm critiquing the part in the third comment that suggests abandoning things that will materially prevent assaults in favour of some vague notion of teaching.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 04:51 PM
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<image> I'm so confused by responses like this. The initial reply doesn't even have a blame-y point. What are the logistics of teaching men not to spike drinks? What's the timeline? Can you guarantee that after that timeline there will be no one spiking drinks? Are women in the meantime just supposed to suffer while we pretend like there isn't any othee kind of prevention?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 04:17 PM
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Of course they aren't. Some PPDers always argue with me that looks and sociability aren't the most important attributes for some reason though.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 03:16 PM
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They're ugly as sin
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 02:52 PM
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Yeah
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 02:17 PM
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These are platitudes to make you shut up while they continue to restate the status quo.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 12:59 PM
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Aren't fucking, or aren't in a monogamous relationship? Aren't fucking. Are you unaware that the courtship process doesn't always involve premarital sex? I'm aware that "courtship" is old timey nonsense people use to pretend like they aren't wasting your time. I wouldnt have sex with a guy I wasn't exclusive with, ever! Good for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 12:55 PM
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My hypothesis is that a large number of asexuals are effectively closeted as a result of society being so geared around sex and relationships. It's getting better but there's still obviously massive social pressures involved
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 11:47 AM
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The solution to mismatched libidoes is simply to not date asexuals as an allosexual and to not date allosexuals as an asexual. I know why it doesn't happen, but still.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 11:42 AM
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OP seems to be talking about asexual women
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 11:41 AM
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They're stupid then. They should appreciate they filtered out gold diggers and transactional women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 11:28 AM
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Completely fine with me. Glad we agree
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 11:18 AM
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<image> Is this negging?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 11:09 AM
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although I will add it’s stupid to go out for a meal with someone you barely know This is the crux of it really. Men shouldn't be buying food for women they aren't fucking in the first place, "splitting the bill" isn't even a consideration.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 11:07 AM
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If that was the idea the punchline wouldn't be hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 11:04 AM
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The idea is that this man is undesirable because he is ugly, lame and boring, and that it is funny that an undesirable man wants a "desirable" woman while complaining about hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 10:56 AM
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Discivering there were people just fundamentally bad at navigating conflict was a strange culture shock as I grew up
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 10:50 AM
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I agree. Complaining is worthless
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 10:49 AM
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I think those guys are lying too
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 08:00 AM
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<image> The worst things a man can be are ugly (5'6), lame (moms basement) and boring (socially awkward). It's always been the looks and sociability pill and it always will be
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 07:33 AM
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struggling males: WOW you stupid fucking cunt HOW DARE YOU you literally care about the stupidest things in your "standards" and don't give men who might be your perfect match a chance just because you and him have different views on important things in life. The correct take is to say she's lying because most women will end up being the first example
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 07:07 AM
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That point being when it's born, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 09:48 PM
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I don't care for emotive arguments. It's a fetus, a woman should have the right to abort it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 09:34 PM
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"Blue pil" is not advice. It is simply a restatement of the status quo.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 08:57 PM
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It isn't, because misogyny and misandry are different things that materialise very differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 08:55 PM
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If she lives somewhere where she can get an abortion at 18 weeks I don't see the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 08:54 PM
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The article for anyone curious
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 08:53 PM
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<image> This is like the first time I've seen genuine "men should approach more!" posting in the wild
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 08:52 PM
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Misandry doesn't exist exhibit #68625
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 07:23 PM
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Can you imagine blindly trusting a Karen to tell you the truth? What does that have to do with anything? Like going to therapy and not making his problems everyone else’s. Theraoy is not always needed, but yes. A man attempting to seek emotional solutions in others is a fool's errand.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 12:01 AM
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This difference is flippant and conditional. The person on the recieving end attributes the descriptor they personally prefer. Therefore, the only possible trustworthy and reliable analysis of a man's emotions is from the man himself. Therefore, the only rational and effective approach for a man's emotions is for the man to be capable of handling the enterity of his own emotional load and doing so.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 11:35 PM
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Someone in the comments it could be strictly done on-device. Who knows if it is but still.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 08:47 PM
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Yeah that's the thing. Every so often there's there's a moral panic about kids sending nudes, or someone having their lives ruined or stuff like like that, and like isn't this basically exactly what people want regarding it?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 08:45 PM
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<image> Q4A: Thoughts?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 08:30 PM
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Having sex is quite obviously very different to drinking alcohol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 05:05 PM
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<image> I did not expect the ending of this ragebait to be that he turns into Terminator lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 03:21 PM
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So they're posers?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 02:38 PM
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I'm asking you on what basis you're claiming PPDers represent "a lot of men". Stop being obtuse and answer the question
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 12:31 PM
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So the hypothetical is completely worthless then. Fine. What basis are you claiming that whiney PPDers are "a lot of men"?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 12:26 PM
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None of that has anything to do with you claiming a hypothetical proves anything. Are you trying to prove things with a hypothetical? Or are you trying to prove things with the behaviour of PPDers? Or are you just putting out a rambley wordsoup about misogynistic ppder buzzwords?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 12:23 PM
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It's fun to argue about this stuff
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 12:19 PM
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You can't prove things through a hypothetical that's just entirely conjecture.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 12:19 PM
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Even bigots largely recoil at baseless and vacuous bigotry. Stereotypes like this are a way to attempt to rationalise a fundamentally irrational tendency.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 04:24 PM
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Absolutely
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 09:58 AM
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Second
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 02:24 AM
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No Then I'd say examples that go further would be much more useful for OP's question. I don't think they're looking for insights on how to be a blob defined by not being a raging asshole.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 01:39 AM
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There needs to be something that makes people want to be around someone. "Not being an asshole" isn't that great of a selling point. Is that it?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 01:35 AM
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So the limit of blue pill is turning unattractive assholes into unattractive neutral/inoffensive guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 01:31 AM
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Nothing? I'm not sure how this has anything to do with my reply
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 01:29 AM
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A fair chunk of people think the other gender has a moral duty to make dating as convenient and obstructio-free for them. They both do it, but I notice women doing it a bit more.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 10:30 PM
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Then they're probably a bit awkward
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 10:17 PM
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No one needs to change their fashion for anyone else
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 10:09 PM
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Were they questions actually relevant to the work you or them were doing, or was it chitchat themed around work?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 10:06 PM
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Let's say they didn't understand what I said They probably just wanted to do their work instead of chitchat with the person giving them more stuff to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 10:01 PM
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<image> I rag on men a fair bit for being dumb and expecting women to speak like a strategy guide but I think instances like this are an example of the advice sphere being really bad. A user makes a snarky comment involving bad advice, another user points out it's dumb, and then a third user makes a snarky comment about how dumb he is for engaging with the advice and that he should just figure it out anyway. I largely agree that men kind of just have to figure it out, but why does that conclusio…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 04:07 PM
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Notice how the easiest, simplest and most effective responses from both camps amount to "just divorce". The divorcepilled remains undefeated
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 12:55 PM
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Part of being understanding and a good listener is being able to understand the frame from which the speaker is speaking. Being upset that I said it's raining cats and dogs even though you don't see any in the sky is poor understanding. He has to be strong and stoic but sensitive. He has to be like a rock to the outside world but a sweetheart to you. He has to choose you and prioritize you but he can't be a simp. He has to provide but he can't have any control or say in your decisions. He has to…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 12:44 PM
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<image> Husband material? 🙂‍↔️ Book boyfriend material? 🙂‍↕️
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 10:07 AM
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Third
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 01:28 AM
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Yeah it's mostly nsfw (or what reddit ai thinks is nsfw) that gets instaflagged like that
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 10:24 PM
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Immature =/= embarassing. Dating some old fart isn't a case of immaturity. It's a case of stupidity.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 09:34 PM
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it's normal to be embarrassing or to make embarrassing decisions at 19 It isn't, or at least not normal for people who end up being non-embarassing adults.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 09:16 PM
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Embarassing people tend to date embarassing people
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 08:33 PM
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The pattern is that the US fucks up and people laugh at it
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 06:32 PM
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Because Musk did not sell a funko pop for a trillion dollars. It's very easy to make something look good when you just omit all the details.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 09:22 AM
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women "hating" men, or not wanting to do anything with men This doesn't actually happen though
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 09:20 AM
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I've seen examples of both
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 07:56 AM
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For a while there's been this weird undertone where a man not liking back a woman that likes him is seen as some cardinal sin.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 05:25 PM
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But like... is it? A huge chunk of entertainnment is just nostalgia baiting. A ton of shows and movies center around a washed up old guy getting back in the game. Loads of events have changed their models to target wealthy people with cash to splash. Pretty much the only cultural block that has remained youth-driven that I can think of is music.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 05:21 PM
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In money Can you elaborate? In voting. Im the decision to shoot up a school etc. People don't vote or shoot schools based on their dating lives. People use their dating lives as rationalisations for their pre-seated biases and/or inclinations that inform their choice of vote or to shoot up a school.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 05:13 PM
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she is ultimately going to care about height as well She isn't. That's just not how male-centered women think.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 04:38 PM
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I disagree heavily. A lot of modern culture is centered around old people.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 04:37 PM
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Yeah, "eventually". Because he isn't super cute but eventually she decides she'll just make do.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 03:00 PM
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Owning a home is a largely optional experience. Not needed to live. It isn't. Being homeless signficantly reduces one's quality of life and puts then in the face of much more harm than if they were housed.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:34 PM
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women (like men) want to date someone that impresses their friends. Women want to date men they like. multiple times when a woman’s friends think a guy is ugly or they have some bad trait like height you’d be surprised on how easily they get dropped. That just means she wasn't into him to begin with and was settling. The relationship likely wouldn't have worked regardless. If she liked the guy, she would've defended him and insisted on sticking with him inspite of what her friends said
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:33 PM
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Provide a definition for "material" and "immaterial" problems so I can engage honestly and properly with the argument. Material Adjective relating to physical objects or money rather than emotions or the spiritual world Immaterial Adjective not important; not likely to make a difference "Insignificant" is what we are discussing so that is just a presumption fallacy. We're discussing the significance of wealth inequality, racial inequality, and dating. I am describing the significance if the effe…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:31 PM
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He should have chosen better.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:25 PM
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Which is unfortunate. She should avoid giving advice and let the women who weren't stupid enough to do it in the first place tell them instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:24 PM
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There should be a word like heteronormative but about how society is centered around dating and relationships. Relationormative? Romancenormative?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:22 PM
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Then the difference isn't her friends. The difference is the man isn't good enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:20 PM
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Starvation and slavery are significant material problems, so wealth inequality and racial inequality are valid concerns. The problems that arise from dating are insignificant and immaterial, so it is not a valid concern.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:20 PM
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Dating is a largely optional experience. Of course there's still pressures towards dating and relationships, which should be addressed, but for the most part the average person living in the West can achieve a complete, dignified life without ever going on a date.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:17 PM
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Both statement have the same number of arguments backing them up as yours. You can make up as many arguments as you want for anything. A far more important metric is the number of valid and impactful arguments you can make.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:14 PM
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This is just complete nonsense. Male-centered women (the majority of the dating population) will always prioritise a man they like over their friends. If her friends can convince her away from a guy, she simply never liked him to begin with and large problems would be caused eventually anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:12 PM
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Rachel doesn't treat him like he's super cute
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:08 PM
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Dating isn't ruined because the dating market is better than it has ever been. I appreciate a better market as it maximises happiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:07 PM
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Church goers are weirdos so that checks out
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:59 PM
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there's hardly ever a way to tell the difference between an attractive good guy or an attractive asshole. Are you sure? There's just no way of judging someone's character before having a relationship with them? None whatsoever?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:46 PM
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Gay men are well known as scentmaxxers
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:04 AM
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It's obviously a bit?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 09:54 AM
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If you want an athletic partner, you should be an athlete yourself doing athletic hobbies with your athletic friends. If you want an artsy partner, same thing. If you want a partner into clubbing and partying, same thing. If you want a feminine partner do you have to be feminine? If you want a masculine partner do you have to be masculine? Did gays and lesbians have looksmatching figured out all along?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:56 AM
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Whenever there's a main thread post involving settling there's usually comment sin the vein of "well yeah nobody wants to be settled for" and it's kind of funny because I get what they're getting at but actually it turns out there's definitely people who do
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:30 AM
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I mean yeah you should simply never judge social trends by PPD posters
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:22 AM
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Dead bedroom discourse is really funny when you're divorcepilled. So many think pieces, wishy washy compromises and half-hearted moralising when it's all solved with "just divorce".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:51 AM
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I wouldn't do it
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 11:11 PM
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It doesn't change your chances but women who don't like you will offer to pay usually.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 09:24 PM
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The sidebar has explanations for each pill
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 06:12 PM
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They had quite a few players out. They'll look much better once those guys are more integrated and they get up to speed.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 06:12 PM
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A stable oil market that Israel will just destabilise in a few months anyway?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:00 PM
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Not really. It's just another day every year
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 01:58 PM
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America had to make a deal because it started a pointless war on Israel's orders. The US should stop sending money to Israel regardless, but this is a great opportunity to justify it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 12:48 PM
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<image> Duality
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:11 AM
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Isn't that just a werewolf
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:03 AM
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This is incoherent
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:03 AM
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If you can get it, it's within or below your league. If you can't get it, it's above your league. Is a lack of attention from women a consequence of poor social skills, looks, Yes. Sociability and looks are the entirety of desire and therefore the entirety of your league. Any man who is struggling is struggling because they are too ugly, lame and/or boring for the people they want. status, or money? Or maybe a bad character and the negative attitude people feel? No How can a man know that the wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:02 AM
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In turn, supporters of the original argument counter that a genuinely fair and decent social arrangement should not involve preferences they perceive as hypergamous or unequal But that's complete conjecture. It's clear what motivated men that supoorted feminism. Implanting an alternative motivation after the fact in order to justify modern grievances is putting the cart before the horse.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 01:54 AM
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Women do generally dislike men who are openly misogynist They don't. Many men are silently misogynist. There's no such thing as a silent misogynist.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 01:51 AM
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"Q4X: Why do you do Action A?" User X: yeah I do Action A because its fun and I like it. It's no big deal. User Y: No one does Action A. How could you possibly think anyone does Action A? You only think Action A happens because you've been brainwashed by [Thing I don't like]. Many such cases
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 11:48 PM
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For the same reason that I know my friend appreciates me for helping them move off the cuff more than my boss appreciates me because they pay me a salary.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 11:42 PM
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In theiry no but mods are lazy
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 11:39 PM
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Rabting about anything is detrimental to success since it makes you lame and boring. Women generally don't like hateful, whiny men Whiny yes, hateful no. Again, the crux is that he's lame and boring, not whether he's a misogynist.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 04:44 PM
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But ranting misogynistically about women being the source of all your problems doesn't contribute to success either. There's an endless amount of things that are completely neutral and don't contribute to success, yet they aren't mentioned. There's no reason to point out useless information when there's a much more informative answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 03:50 PM
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you point out that women don't like him because he's a miserable misogynist who blames all of his problems on women, his response is "but women like bad men". He fails to recognize that women sometimes like the first type of bad men: charismatic bad men who don't outwardly appear bad. The point is that it's worthless to point out that he's a misogynist. The correct answer is that he's failing because he's lame and boring, not his social views.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 03:36 PM
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Yeah, the difference is that the former man is charismatic. Because sociability matters in dating and morals are irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 03:16 PM
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I do
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 02:34 PM
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I don't believe it's that though. It's so extremely performative.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 01:32 AM
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<image> I've been struggling to put it into words but it's great to see it come straight from the horse's mouth. This performative negging gimmick has been very strange. It's not RP-motivated negging. It's not incel "well you're an ugly whore anyway!" negging, and I don't believe this guy that it's some sort of ideological motivation. It's more like this schoolboy inside joke where you just say things and laugh at them for the sake of it. Very bizarre
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 12:18 AM
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I just don't like how they look
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 12:07 AM
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The idea that women are children who can't make decisions based on information and consequences that isn't immediately in front of them is deeply offensive to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 06:47 PM
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"men's rights" look inside dating grievance Many such cases
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 10:40 AM
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They all seem so sad
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 12:49 AM
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What level of "won't leave you alone" is this
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 12:47 AM
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My theories are about widespread trends, not just assigning attributes to an arbitrary trait.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 11:09 PM
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Seeing the contrast between how people talk regarding hypotheticals vs how they talk regarding things that have actually happenedi is very funny
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 10:54 PM
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Men get more criticism, judginess and moralization for the same sexual behavior than women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 10:40 PM
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It's interesting that women think "yeah, but imagine how a homophobe would act" is some sort of useful analogy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 10:37 PM
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Making "theories" about random strangers just seems weird
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 10:35 PM
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Am I weird but I really don't feel anything about gay men talking to me
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 08:51 PM
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The idea of "men's rights" is pretty much entirely a cynical grift. It may deserve more, but as it stands there is no discussion adjacent to it that has any substantial value.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 06:57 PM
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If they check my list then we have chemistry by default.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 05:04 PM
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She's still got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 03:01 PM
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I fall in love with people who check my list.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 03:00 PM
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-Some people are just losers. -Some people are just naturally servile
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:59 PM
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The whole reason people use "personality" in dating is this plausible deniability. We already have a word for the branches of personality that affect dating. Sociability. Humour, charisma, confidence, extroversion, etc. People don't use it because "personality" allows for endless motte and bailey arguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:56 PM
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they usually have something that’s in low supply and high demand, which is really good looks or really good money. It sounds like the best way to suceed in dating is to maximise your looks then?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:40 PM
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A sizeable if not significant amount of people are just aro/ace/both but haven't accepted it (because of socialization that cebters relationships and sex), and that if they did accept it, it would bith make their own lives much happier, as well as solving a lot of dating problem and discourse people have.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:31 PM
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<image> It's a paywalled article so I can only go off the title but I get the weird feeling the gender discourse is heading in a direction easily solved through my Theory of Asexuality, but since I'm just a revolutionary nobody, people will go in circles discussing this even though it's been solved.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:00 PM
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Everyone who says this comes off as a fundamentally socially immature person
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:56 AM
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It necessitates signing away your freedom of association.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:22 AM
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Then he's stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:21 AM
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He should've realised it before getting married
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:03 AM
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Alsooooooooooooo this is kinda evidence in favour of my theory of asexuality so
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 12:58 AM
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<image> I was going to use this to talk about how marriage is a human rights violation (it is) but ngl I also feel like he should've chosen better like I don't think it would be that hard to figure out you're just getting duty sex especially after this has gone on for 10 years seemingly?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 12:55 AM
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I'd probably be able to think of some names. I wouldn't be able to rattle them off. I don't really have a cloud of names in my head that I admire. She's asks "what men do you admire"? Same as above
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 10:06 PM
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If it works it works
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 08:19 PM
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What's "get with"? I doubt even the most Stacy-ish prostitutes would charge that much for one go. In terms of being a paypig; I'm sure there's some Stacies out there that would be down to play along just for having her expenses covered + a little extra for herself. Would be in the 6 figure territory probably.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 06:45 PM
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Baseball is a lame sport
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 06:05 PM
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When I say this, it's usually women disagreeing
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 04:28 PM
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These companies would rather abide by the restrictions than just completely take themselves out of the UK market
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 02:14 PM
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Tackle puritanism and embrace sex positivity. The only real reason people deliberately choose (i.e, excluding stuff like someone just being asexual and having that baked in) to not have casual sex nowadays is because they evangelise sex. The people talking about stigma are a bit facetious since people have been having casual sex for generations upon generation upon generations in spite of stigma far more impactful and material than whatever counts as modern day slutshaming
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 02:13 PM
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You really have no right to force your partner into a life where he or she doesn't get to have as much or as little sex as they want. Which is why divorce exists So let your partners cheat because you have no right to tell them otherwise You do. That's what (most) marriage contracts entail. If you don't like that contract then again, divorce exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 12:09 PM
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Women who want to have an active sex life, promiscous, sluts, whatever you call it don't care what they're called
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 10:13 AM
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Of course, since misandrists don't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 08:21 AM
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I don't see how that has any relevance though. Someone giving someone a chance out of pity because they're super picky is ultimately still giving someone a chance out of pity.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 08:21 AM
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Basically do you think that women should be responsible for solving problems like male loneliness or sexual frustration, or do you just take it as an objective fact that women are the selective gender, and that dating is just inherently more difficult for men, and that's the way things are, and it isn't the fault of either gender? This is a false dichotomy
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 01:23 AM
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<image> What did she see
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 12:40 AM
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I wouldn't have sex to save a life.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 11:51 PM
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I always found that attitude lame as hell
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 11:49 PM
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Eh I think people mostly just use it as a novelty. I don't think it's really used as an ideal at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 11:48 PM
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Well most people aren't saints like you, so that's the why.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 10:09 PM
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I don't see the point in comparing when in both cases the relationship would be over.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 10:07 PM
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That's strange, she likes him even though she hasn't spent 18 months shadowing him. PPDers told me that was impossible
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:34 PM
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here I see more of men asking for women to give them a chance And they are stupid. They have nothing to do with my question though. And there's a difference between giving someone a chance out of pity/feeling bad for them, and giving someone a chance because you're opening to seeing what's there. As we can see from the tweet, tomato tomatoe.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:56 PM
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I was being a bit of an asshole in the second one, apologies, but when he says 'women don't like talking to you', I thought it obvious that he referred to himself. Women not liking you talking to them for a certain reason in an abstract, moralised way is not the same thing as disliking every second of conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:55 PM
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One of the advices being discussed is 'go to the gym'. This is not good advice for dating. It is. Talking to people who dislike you is not going to improve your social skills. Who said they all dislike him?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:47 PM
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Your eating of real food is, without a shadow of a doubt, driving me to sucicide. I demand you start eating mud every day or else I'll commit suicide. Do you think this is a reasonable demand? Would you start eating mud? Would you be eilling to hear out the arguments of someone trying to guilt trip you into eating mud?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:20 PM
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The fact remains that she isn't into him and is only giving him a shot out of pity. Clearly the conclusion is to avoid dating someone who is "giving you a chance".
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:17 PM
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It doesn't though. The advice to go to the gym to achieve the goal of being more attractive is still perfectly valid. Additional bad advice does not invalidate the initial good advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:15 PM
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This is how you sound. It isn't though. The advice is to talk to women. The goal is to improve your social skills. The opinions of random women on how you improve your social skills are completely irrelevant, and have no effect on whether the advice is an effective way of improving your social skills. The accurate analogy would be asking me where you can buy a car, I send you to a dealership ten miles away, and then later you come back angry at me because the salesman at the dealership was an as…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:14 PM
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Your post seems to have nothing to do with the title. Expecting attraction to be a tit for tat isn't being selfish, it's just a really narrowminded view. People uktimately just want what they want. A beauitful person might want a rich person. Or they might not. "Fair game" is a loaded term, you can be attracted to and talk to whoever you want, but this is regardless a very silly mindset to have.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:08 PM
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<image> That's odd. (Some) PPDers repeatedly insist that "being given a chance" is perfectly valid and nothing to be concerned about. And yet these women are openly talking about how it's done out of pity. How come? Where's the disconnect? Do those PPDers think these women are just lying?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:02 PM
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I mean what do you mean by understood? "Have no place"? People can feel how they want, it's really not that big of a deal. But you also don't get anything out of staging resentful, it's acomplete waste of time and unnecessary hurdle.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 03:43 PM
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I'm unsure what point you want us to debate. This just reads like rambling.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 03:26 PM
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No worse feeling than being commentmogged by having the thread be deleted while you're writing your reply.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 01:15 PM
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