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You don't know me. I'm so excited to hear how your arguments are different from every other MRA/red pill argument about the draft since you are already repeating the same tired, bad faith arguments they make.1 And no, saying "feminists support abolishing the draft" doesn't magically settle the issue Actually it does, because if it doesn't, then I can just as easily argue "well there are MRAs/red pillers who want to murder all women." The bigger issue is that you're trying to turn this into a par…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 03:48 AM
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Quite the contrary, I'm trying to figure out how these things are misandric.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 09:29 PM
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Like what?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 08:53 PM
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1) What is your understanding of what MeToo is/was, in your own words? Identifying the prevalence of predatory men in every aspect of society and the frequency with which women are harassed and abused by such men. 2) Do you think MeToo had any legitimate focus or purpose? If so, what? Basically same thing I said above. 3) What (if anything) would you have preferred instead of MeToo? Nothing comes to mind. 4) Do you think people shouldn't be able to publicly talk about sexual assault and/or haras…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 08:31 PM
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You don't give a shit about the draft. Feminists support abolishing the draft altogether. Progressive politicians in the US support adding women to the draft. Conservative politicians continue to ensure it is male only and are, at this moment, to make sure the military in general is men only as much as possible, ensuring that only men (and overwhelmingly poor men) put their lives at risk. And yet the manosphere despises progressives and supports conservatives. Stop pretending you care about the …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 08:18 PM
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And yet it happens anyway. That's what the phrase "a rising tide lifts all boats" means. Feminism has done more for men accidentally than the manosphere has ever done on purpose.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 08:14 PM
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What do women need to apologize for?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 08:11 PM
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Of course you don't get a check, and you're completely misrepresenting the issue. Women are talking about that even when they work the same number of hours as their partners, they still do more housework. And it's not exactly a surprise, dudes on here are constantly arguing that if they make more money, their girlfriend/wife should have to do more housework, regardless of how many hours each of them work.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 08:09 PM
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Like what?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 08:01 PM
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I always ask accountability for what, to whom, and in what way, and I don't think I've ever gotten a complete answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 08:00 PM
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(like chivalry and feeling protected) What do you think is chivalry and who do women needed protected from?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 04:20 AM
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Engineer, my wife is a physician. She makes a good bit more than me
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 07:12 PM
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Because that's a fucking open and closed case with no nuance. So you're saying if someone is committing a mass shooting it's not ok to run them over? Badgering =/= non consensual So then your answer is yes. Not sure why you needed additional information then. If being annoying was coercive Yeah, see, harassment isn't just annoying, it's coercive.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 05:00 PM
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Sure, because that's totally not a false equivelance to the question It's no different. There are scenarios where it's absolutely acceptable to run over a person with your car. And yet when asked the question, you immediately understood what was being asked and what the correct answer is without any further information. Somehow, badgering a woman into sex doesn't evoke that same response, and that is apparently true of many men on this sub. Neither did you provide any Yes, that is the hypothetic…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 02:59 PM
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Because it's not a straightforward question Women overwhelmingly disagree. Why do you think that is? Who gives a shit? Me, that's why I asked the question. May as well be an appeal to authority fallac No, it's not, because that's not what the appeal to authority fallacy is.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 01:36 PM
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Entirely depends why she said yes on the 10th time "Is it wrong to run people over with your car?" "My answer entirely depends on whether the person being run over is a murderer" You don't have that information. She said no nine times, and on the tenth time she finally says yes. That is the information you have. This information is enough for the vast majority of women, but men on this sub are pathologically incapable of answering it as presented, instead preferring to invent alternate scenarios…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 01:34 PM
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No, because you're trying to change the question from what was asked. I presented a hypothetical and your response was "well in this completely different hypothetical, this is what I would say" and I even identified this exact response in the OP because virtually every single man on this sub does this same thing. Yet when reversed and presented to women, they are overwhelmingly able to answer no without any further information. It's also very weird to accuse me of one sentence replies when the c…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 12:54 PM
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No, that is total nonsense. "Any variation of creativity?" Are these men married to the priest from Footloose? Why are y'all scraping this bad to make a "misandry" mountain out of a staged Tiktok molehill? Is this legitimately the only evidence you can find?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 03:21 AM
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I saw this video and wondered how long it would take before someone posted it here complaining about misandry. Setting aside the fact that these are staged, even within the staging, they are clearly not legitimately angry or upset and there's absolutely no reason you would think so. Guys have been making jokes about the radical change in appearance when shaving beards (almost always for the worst), I'm hard pressed to find it misandric to let women in on the joke too.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 03:19 AM
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If she changes her mind, she knows where to find you.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 08:16 PM
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Like I've said elsewhere, when I reverse the genders and ask women, the vast majority are able to answer no immediately. But men on this sub are completely incapable of answering it as presented and insist on trying to game the question. Why do you think women are able to answer it but dudes on this sub can't?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 01:30 PM
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The consent comes from the other party, not the one doing the coercion. The way coercion works is that it's done to another person. Then are you not also more guarded? Many people are, which is why she said no nine times. There is. But there isn't. This thread is full of people such as yourself saying the consent is completely valid. He bears no responsibility for refusing to take no for an answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 01:28 PM
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Do yall really not hold the doors for men or give your seat up for disabled or elderly men?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 01:23 PM
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Funny, confident, self assured, ambitious, someone I don't ever have to worry about needing me.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 12:52 AM
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Believe me, I would love to hear how dating was destroyed for men by autocorrect, but you don't have any explanation to back it up because it's a ludicrous claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 08:36 PM
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My guy, you are trying to claim the downfall of men in dating was caused by autocorrect. Perhaps you shouldn't be lecturing anyone on ridiculous, immature, and uneducated perspectives.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 08:21 PM
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Nah, I get it. It's the same shit dudes were saying back then. You want to pretend it's different this time but it's not, hence your claim that I couldn't understand it because I remember texting before autocorrect.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 08:17 PM
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If every friend group is eventually rejecting you, it has nothing to do with whether you've published a book.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 08:10 PM
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Bahaha yes that's the downfall of men in dating, autocorrect. What an absolutely ludicrous claim. you have no idea what dating has become Oh, honey, did you think I stopped dating when the iPhone came out? No, I was still dating on apps well into 2018. But can't wait to hear how the goalposts will move now!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 07:04 PM
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Your proof that women aren't oppressed is that they get dates easily. If not getting dates is not oppression, then how can easily getting dates cancel out oppression?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 06:11 PM
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My guy, we were texting each other well before the existence of the iPhone and before texting, we had instant messaging. It was ubiquitous long before then. You can't, because you're wrong. Again, just assuming nothing has changed with absolutely no evidence or data to back that up. You didn't notice that the proof red pillers use for the 80/20 rule comes from 2009? Did you think they only first noticed that a few years ago?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 06:01 PM
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I'm not sure trying to insist to people that the explosion of dating apps, texting, social media, and instant messaging has no effect on dating whatsoever is convincing strategy When exactly do you think dating apps, texting, and social media began? Most people as they age just assume everything works as it did for them I don't assume that. However I can tell you with 100% certainty that same complaints and bullshit red pill rhetoric that has invaded every dating discussion, whether you personal…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 03:05 PM
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That's why I said "red pillers et al." It's a latin phrase meaning "and others" as in "those similar to red pill or red pill adjacent." This shit is not new and men online were raving about the same thing back then and almost certainly before then too.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 01:12 PM
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Bro, they're saying the same exact shit red pillers et al said when I was in my 20s. And I can certainly understand the loneliness and isolation, but assuming that is unique to men because women can easily find a guy who is willing to stick his dick in her without any regard to whether she enjoys it is absolutely bonkers.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 01:05 PM
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Yes, if you ignore the ways women are oppressed, it is easy to say women aren't oppressed. Women have it better than men by orders of magnitudes A) the goal of dating is not to get a date with anybody possible B) not getting dates is not oppression
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 12:41 PM
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Yes, because it always stops and men simply being physically attracted and never goes any further.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 12:39 PM
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Here's my question though, who are the female red pill-esque grifters? Like you can trace the lineage of red pill grifters and proto red pill grifters back for decades, I'm struggling to think of a single female equivalent.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 04:18 AM
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This is an excellent example of low EQ. Nobody said empathy shouldn't go both ways yet you still felt the need to derail the discussion with "but men too!"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 06:43 PM
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The fit and style of the shorts matter much more than shorts vs. no shorts.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 12:26 AM
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I believe there is probably more overlap than disparity. I also think that there is a bad habit in these conversations to treat male type sexuality, arousal, and response as the default sex drive.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 03:47 PM
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Not really.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 02:22 AM
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He's the one who was in the Louis Theroux documentary right? Where every woman kept revealing that he was full of shit and then Myron made them stop talking to Louis?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 12:07 AM
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How does harassment not count as coercion?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 07:36 PM
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Based on what? Like I'm trying to imagine someone explaining to HR that asking their coworker for sex nine times isn't sexual harassment because they didn't ask enough times for it to count.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 06:53 PM
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No, that's clearly not correct, because you have discussions about initiating and consent with your partner. That wasn't in the hypothetical.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 03:27 PM
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They are definitely not OK with that, the coercion of interrogations leading to false confessions is a huge issue that is frequently discussed.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 02:46 PM
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Why do women view it as rapey but not men?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 02:29 PM
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It isn't, for the reasons I've already explained. I don't need good faith interpretation Great, then we don't have anything else to discuss.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 02:27 PM
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Asking someone for sex nine times seems pretty significant.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 02:27 PM
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You are not following because you are not reading, son. If you are not reading then how am I supposed to explain anything to you? I guess I should have explained better. I think you should, because I don't see how "men are more likely to die than women" refutes "women are far more likely to be murdered by their partner." You'll have to walk me through the logic on this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 05:27 AM
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Yeah, very shocking headline right? Well thats because a headline is all it is, because the statistic comes from a 2021 study that looked at the percentage of all deaths for men and women. And guess what? Men die around 5x that of women, meaning that the actual numerical difference between men and women is actually very close. Only around 10% if I recall correctly. This doesn't refute the headline. Feminism has convinced women that they are in a perpetual state of victimhood I'm not following. W…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 05:00 AM
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Sorry, you don't get to ignore my question and then ask me to answer yours. Why are women able to answer the gender reversed question immediately but men on this sub are incapable of answering it without trying to game the question?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 04:58 AM
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Oh for sure, can you please share what is being misinterpreted and for what benefit?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 01:27 AM
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I specifically asked what statistics they were misinterpreting and for what benefit.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 12:53 AM
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My point stands then. That which is presented without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. guess actually being party to Federal Conteacting and Grant Writing doesn't count for anything with you No, your unverifiable anecdotes don't count. Yup, its more of a grift now. You should see some of the stuff people have been digging up on their tax filings. Your basis for claiming that academia kowtows to the gynocentric whims of feminists is Charlie Kirk's grift organization's tax filings.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 12:26 AM
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Ok, so your comment wasn't relevant to the discussion and I repeat that I'm not sure why you made it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 12:23 AM
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You don't have that information. I've reversed the genders and asked this question to women, and they overwhelmingly were able to answer "no" without any further information. So why were they able to answer it immediately, but men on this sub are pathologically incapable of doing so?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 12:23 AM
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but I don't think most guys understand that's what you're supposed to do that. Well shit, I think we've hit upon the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 12:20 AM
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Coercion is the act of forcing someone to do something against their free will by using threats, intimidation, or pressure. Repeatedly asking someone is pressuring them. Again, this isn't up for debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 12:19 AM
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Yes it was. Can you answer the question or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 12:17 AM
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Or you can find evidence to try and debunk them? Nope, that's not how debate works. The burden of proof is on you. Also TP USA has some interesting filings Sorry, Turning Point USA? The Charlie Kirk grift?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 12:16 AM
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Because we're talking about something specific. If your comment doesn't apply to that, then I'm not sure why you made it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 12:14 AM
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What interpretation and what benefit?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 09:43 PM
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No, it's not my job to go find evidence for your claims. My criticism is you have not connected your unsupported claims to the OP claim that studies and statistics are not reliable.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 09:42 PM
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Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 08:22 PM
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And the result was...you didn't have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 08:21 PM
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You don't even have to take my word for it. Women in this thread are telling you it's coercive.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 08:20 PM
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So it's wrong of him to pressure, but wrong of her for being pressured? If that's the case, why is he wrong? Part of the thing is not all men understand the subtle queues that women give, and whenever a women says no, she doesn't always really mean no. Or whenever she says yes, She was very clear and not subtle at all. 9 times in fact. Like there is no other word that could have been clearer.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 08:19 PM
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If potentially coercing a woman into sex doesn't convince you, then I'm afraid we live on different planets and there's no common ground to be had.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 07:28 PM
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Because you might get what you want if you don't give up after first no. Then you don't have sex. That's the outcome. You don't get to have sex with her, which is a totally acceptable solution, especially when the alternative is potentially coercing her into sex she doesn't want to have. Also addressed in the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 05:58 PM
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Not really, no. Coercing someone into consenting isn't actually consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 05:57 PM
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And claiming someone women want to be badgered into sex does not preclude women finding it coercive. Erring on the side of caution means, worst case, you don't have sex. Erring on the side of recklessness means, worst case, you're coercing someone into sex. The former is acceptable, the latter is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 05:56 PM
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Why can't any person accept no for any answer? What's the harm in pursing someone potentially coercing her into sex she doesn't want to have. Addressed in the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 05:51 PM
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Men need to learn to respect people’s boundaries. Apparently not. She asserted her boundaries nine times yet you're still putting the onus on her to stop it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 05:49 PM
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You can't actually decide what your argument is. I thought that it was you decided I'm not allowed to talk about ethics because of reasons, now you're claiming I'm wrong about laws because of reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 05:48 PM
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If a guy has been harrassing her and trying to coerce her, saying "yes" is still consent. Coercion is not consent. Like that part isn't even up for debate, ethically or legally. Now obviously giving someone a ride and having sex are not directly comparable, but that is besides the point. No, actually that is entirely the point. This is about personal responsibility Why is there no personal responsibility for the man refusing to take no for an answer?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 05:40 PM
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It's not my argument, and no good faith interpretation of it could have possibly led you to that conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 03:13 PM
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Because she exists in the same city, job, gym, social group, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 02:07 PM
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No, that's just being pedantic to avoid addressing the actual argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:20 PM
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Lots of women find being asked repeatedly for sex to be coercive. You can find them saying so in this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:18 PM
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And yet I was able to give you an answer to your first question immediately, and it's not an answer that anybody misunderstands.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:16 PM
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It's not the incorrect answer. No means no. Is killing people wrong? What if the person you are killing was fatally attacking you or your family? These are two different questions. The answer to the first is yes, the answer to the second is no.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:01 PM
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That's why no should mean no and yes should mean yes "Any yes counts regardless of circumstances other men will rape women." As always, red pillers manage to be far more misandric than feminists could ever hope to be. But back in reality, that is a false dichotomy because, again, you are comparing not having sex with rape. The former is acceptable, the latter is not. And then she said yes, presumably after saying no. Sorry, why weren't the first nine nos sufficient? How should he interpret this?…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 12:56 PM
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Where did I say nobody should ever ask for sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 12:47 PM
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Women can answer no but that's not the complete answer Yes it is. "No." is a complete sentence.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 12:46 PM
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Uhhh how she feels about it is literally the only relevant factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 11:49 AM
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He asks: 'do you want to have sex my princess?', she says 'no', but he proceeds to fuck her, *rape her but that's what you get when introducing these dynamics. That men will rape women on the off chance that maybe she secretly wants it? This is the argument you want to make? He wants sexs She doesn't. That's why she said no. Nine times. Like I don't even know how to explain this. It's common sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 11:43 AM
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You can only control your responses and reactions to them. And her response was no. Her enforcement of her boundary was to say no. And he violated that boundary repeatedly, so there is no way it could be clear, freely given consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 11:37 AM
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but I don't know how much that is Then I think you have a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 11:35 AM
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Ok, you don't have to ask for sex at all. Again, what's the difference between one "No" and 2x"No" if "Women can tell you when they want sex"? Answered above.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 11:34 AM
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Who said she didn't?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 11:33 AM
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What comparison? then he isn't really doing anything wrong Yes he is. He isn't taking no for an answer. That's the part that's wrong. Without more context Nope, that's all you get. When I reverse the genders and ask women, the vast majority do not require any further context to answer no. So why do men on this sub?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 11:33 AM
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I'm not restricted to whatever is convenient for your argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 11:29 AM
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If she changes her mind, she can come find you. Why can't you accept no for an answer?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 11:28 AM
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Firstly, I implied that asking someone for sex multiple times is not "ok" in the sense of being socially acceptable, but it is "ok" in the sense of being consensual. "It's not technically rape" But asking someone for sex multiple times does not also violate spirit of the law (or social convention) of consent. What do you think the socially conventional phrase "no means no" means?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 05:53 AM
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I did ask, that's what the OP is about. Men on this sub believe not taking no for an answer is acceptable because the alternative is missing out on sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 05:51 AM
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Call me crazy, but I think the bar for consent should be higher than "not technically rape."
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 05:50 AM
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So is respecting boundaries. Period.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 05:48 AM
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Yes, I addressed the fact that men on this sub can rarely give a straight answer to this very simple question in the OP (although some do say yes immediately). What's interesting is I reversed the genders and asked it to women, and the overwhelming majority were able to immediately answer "no" without any further clarification needed. You guys talk a lot about what women "should think and do" on here. I don't recall saying anything about what women should think or do.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 05:48 AM
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Stay where?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 05:45 AM
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I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 05:45 AM
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Because badgering someone into saying yes isn't really consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 05:44 AM
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If "it's technically legal" is the only requirement you have for sex, boy howdy. Also my words.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 05:44 AM
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clear and concise language and communication is needed The woman in this scenario did use clear and consie language. Nine times, in fact. If a guy asks a girl for sex more than once, like over a period of several days or weeks or so between asks, and she says yes, she has given consent. So then the problem is not feminists or failing to use clear and concise language, it's the man failing to take no for an answer. Like, I understand the definition of what is considered rape needs to be expanded,…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 05:42 AM
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Except you're not respecting their autonomy. They already told you no. But you believe they are incapable of informing you if they've changed their mind, and therefore justify being a sex pest.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 05:38 AM
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No, it's actually nothing like that. Literally the only argument you can give for why it's ok to keep pestering a woman for sex is because it's not technically rape if she eventually says yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 05:35 AM
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And you can also wait for them to come and tell you, thus respecting their autonomy and not being a sex pest.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 05:31 AM
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So you don't believe women, you don't believe studies, you don't believe statistics. Maybe the problem isn't women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 04:28 AM
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I directly answered your question and even quoted it on my reply.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:36 AM
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Most rational, ethical people agree that nine nos and one yes is not really a yes. But a lot of men on this sub do not agree and want to find a reason why they can say yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:30 AM
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No, sorry. You don't get to ignore my question and then ask me to answer yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:27 AM
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I also spoke of ethics.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:25 AM
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Because without nuances you can say asking your girlfriend if she wants to have sex 2 weeks after you asked her before is coercion. Which everyone can agree is ridiculous That doesn't answer the question. Women overwhelmingly are able to answer immediately and say no. Why can't men on this sub?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:24 AM
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But she doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:10 AM
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What makes you focus on this question out of everything in the world.. is this really what is on your mind? Considering the disastrous effects red pill brain rot has had on young men, yep. Id peace out after the first no Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:07 AM
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Not all women are the same. Plenty are happy to communicate enthusiasm, some are too shy to ask, and others feel like they are a prize and shouldn't have to show enthusiasm. So your answer is "it's ok to keep asking in case she secretly wants it?" Perhaps their was a "yes" before the 9 rejections. Or perhaps the other person wants to wait for marriage and the other person is just checking if that is still the case every few months. Or maybe one person just isn't comfortable with sex until they r…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 12:54 AM
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would say it depends on nuances not elaborated here. Fun fact, I've reversed the genders and asked this of women, and the vast majority didn't require any additional nuances, they were able to say "no" right away. So why does virtually every man on this sub require additional nuances (or else they say "yes" right away)? If a guy was married and he asked his wife if she was interested in sex every night and she said yes on night 10 then yeah she clearly consented. Why? Marriage does not supersede…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 12:50 AM
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Why did he not accept the first no?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 12:44 AM
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You did though. I even quoted it in my other reply to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 12:44 AM
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It's really not. That's the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 12:33 AM
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Do you need me to elaborate? Your point was that because not having sex won't kill you, it is an acceptable outcome. So your argument is that because something doesn't kill you, it's fine. The British Empire didn't kill subjects of its American colonies, therefore they were fine (according to your argument). Therefore, they were not justified in revolution (Because their situation prior to revolution was "acceptable"). Is that not what you're arguing? Here's another example. Should homeless peop…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 12:32 AM
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That seems like a question you should already have an answer for.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 12:31 AM
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The legality of it is also not in the question. You don't get to narrow the scope to whatever is convenient for your agenda.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 12:30 AM
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why does he ask 10 times? That's probably the question you should sit on, but you don't seem very interested in doing so. If you wanna deny this, you should also accept that no can mean something else Ok, and? Like let's play this ridiculous game. So what if no means something else? That woman should've said 'no' if she doesn't want sex with him. She did. Nine times, in fact. If he annoyed her, maybe call police, her ex who will come and beat the shit out of him, or do something else Why does he…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 12:29 AM
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That doesn't really answer the question of why you're asking again if she already said no, not even getting into all the ways you're wrong about coercion.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 12:26 AM
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You did refuse to answer as that is not what I asked Did you reply to the wrong thread? I asked the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 12:03 AM
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Just spit balling here, but maybe the standard of consent should be higher than "not technically rape"?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 12:02 AM
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Yep. And when they change their mind, they can come tell you. So you have no reason to ask them again.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 11:17 PM
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No, that's not how consent works.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 10:28 PM
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See, that's the thing, it's not "quite obviously"
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 10:26 PM
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They should probably reflect on why that is.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 10:26 PM
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Yep. And the vast majority of women answered no. So much for "but women" deflection.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 10:03 PM
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and be a bit pushy at times. No, this isn't actually an expectation of men. so at times this ends up being a shit test where the women expects the dynamic just out the bases of how there attraction works and at other times. Yet at other times she doesn't want you near her at all. No, consent is not a "shit test," which is just a bullshit phrase that has come to be an excuse to ignore what a woman actually says. And, even if it was, so what? The result is you don't have sex, which is an acceptabl…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 09:22 PM
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Not really. When I reverse genders and ask the question, the vast majority of women are able to say "no" without any further clarification. It's really just men on this sub that seem to have a problem answering a question. To see if she changed her mind. She can come tell him if she did.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 09:18 PM
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Nobody said anything about criminal charges. Once again, why is it so hard for guys on this sub to just answer the question as presented? Like, if you say "no" from the outset, it's not going to get branded on your forehead or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 09:16 PM
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If "it's technically legal" is the only requirement you have for sex, boy howdy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 09:09 PM
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Yes, assertive and confident does not mean pestering someone for sex, I have no idea why you would try to conflate the two.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 09:08 PM
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These don't occur during solitary confinement. So? Even for regular prison sentences, they are rare. Sex with other inmates occurs too. How would you meet new people while in prison/solitary confinement? Imma stop you right here, what does this have to do with the OP?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 09:05 PM
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Actually is the rest of society's problem, hence why we've written laws regarding it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 09:02 PM
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Problem is if she doesn’t initiate Then you don't have sex, which is an acceptable outcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 07:00 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conjugal_visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexuality_and_disability https://nypost.com/2026/06/17/health/worlds-ugliest-man-has-disease-that-turns-muscles-into-bone/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_on_the_Spectrum_(American_TV_series) Subjects of the Thirteen Colonies were not dying in the 1770s, so according to you, their situation was acceptable. Therefore, they should not have revolted against the British Empire, and the United States should not have been bor…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:58 PM
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Her saying no is what invalidates asking repeatedly.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:51 PM
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Then why is he trying to give them something they don't want? Giving them nothing wouldn't be the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:48 PM
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I think you responded to the wrong thread, we aren't discussing sex work.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:46 PM
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Then you don't have sex. That's the outcome. You don't get to have sex with her, which is a totally acceptable solution, especially when the alternative is potentially coercing her into sex she doesn't want to have.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:44 PM
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to behave in an annoying manner toward someone by doing or asking for something repeatedly: And Because he wanted to have sex with her She doesn't want to have sex with him. That's why she said no. So why is he asking her again?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:43 PM
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Sorry, you don't get to ignore my question and ask me to answer yours. If she changes her mind, why can't she just come tell you?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:39 PM
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No, it would be closer to harassment and the line between civil and criminal would depend on the circumstances. If scammers constantly call me asking for my SSN and I eventually give it to them to stop the calls, was I victimized? Yes? Is this a serious question?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:38 PM
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And “asking for sex was becoming coercive” how many times did you ask before you felt that way? The second time. and I answered that they don’t know anything else. That’s the answer imo. A) they absolutely know women enthusiastically consent to sex even if they haven't experienced it themselves B) it is disturbing that they see women reluctantly or begrudgingly consenting to sex as acceptable because they got laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:33 PM
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I think the problem here is that at some point she will want to have sex. Then she can tell you. The question is how much time needs to pass before she wants to have sex? She could change her mind 5 seconds later. She knows where to find you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:29 PM
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People in all those situations routinely have sex. Even if they didn't you still do not die without sex, ergo not having sex is an acceptable outcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:28 PM
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Nobody, I'm explaining why the metaphor is bad. You have to feed a dog because you've removed its ability to feed itself. You have to feed a dog because it dies an agonizing death without food. Neither of these things are true for sex. It is a bad metaphor.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:26 PM
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That enthusiasm is a two-way street. I completely agree. So why do these alternate scenarios assume women are incapable of communicating their enthusiasm without repeated questioning? but over two years, perhaps not. Who is being rejected 9 times for sex and still trying after two years?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:24 PM
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Why did he keep asking after the first time? Oops, you ignored the rest of my comment that was inconvenient to your agenda.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:21 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooling-off_period_(consumer_rights) This has been a thing since at least the 1960s because people completely understand that badgering someone has a coercive effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:19 PM
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I said "women" and was very careful to phrase it that way, and yes, who wouldn't want a woman who is enthusiastic about fucking you?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:17 PM
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However, I refuse to be romantically involved in an asexual relationship Nobody said you had to. I left a relationship with a low libido/asexual women specifically because I felt like asking for sex was becoming coercive and I have no desire for that at all. Loneliness, and feeling like you will never get this treatment in your life. This seems like a much bigger problem to address than the exact circumstances of the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:17 PM
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Incorrect, pestering someone is absolutely coercive and this isn't even controversial.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:13 PM
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It's an extremely simple question. I've reversed the genders and asked women, and the vast majority had no problem evaluating it all. So how is it possible that women are able to easily process this "vague" question, but men on this sub are incapable?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:12 PM
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Who has confined you to a location and made it so you die without sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:10 PM
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relatively new idea Cooling off period laws have been around since at least the 1960s, so no, badgering someone as a form of coercion is not a "relatively new idea." I think it's an active effort to expand the scope of "rape", personally. That's why you see people describing pretty common negative interpersonal dynamics as "sexual coercion". It's sound a lot more serious and alarming than saying oh they pestered me for sex or they said they loved me but they didn't. Why do you think so many men …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:09 PM
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I have often been expected to ask, and even though sometimes the answer is no, I am still expected to ask each time and I can't just wait for the other person to ask. Why? Like, why would you be with someone who isn't enthusiastically coming after your dick? Asking 10 times over two years is much different than asking 10 times over one weekend. Why is it so impossible to answer this question without trying to game the scenario?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:06 PM
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Because when you ask twice, she's already told you no. I'm not sure why this needs to be explained.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:05 PM
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Sorry, you don't get to ignore my question and ask me to answer yours. If she changes her mind, why can't she just come tell you?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:04 PM
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Yes, to men as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:00 PM
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Sorry, you don't get to ignore my question and ask me to answer yours. Why did he keep asking after the first time?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 05:59 PM
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Oh, does that mean we get to draw similar conclusions about the stories I can find about men?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 05:58 PM
2

Same number as your "lots."
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 05:58 PM
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I didn't say anything about jail. As for reputation, if he doesn't want to be known as a sex pest, then he shouldn't pester women for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 05:57 PM
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Correct, not having sex is an acceptable outcome. If she doesn't want to have sex with you, then you can move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 05:56 PM
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The idea is that "coercing a woman into sex" should be an intolerable potential outcome for anyone, while "not having sex" is a perfectly acceptable potential outcome for anyone. And just on a personal level, I am utterly baffled by men who would want anything other than a woman who tells you when she wants to fuck. Like who sees a woman shove her tits in your face and tell you how much she wants your dick and ever wants anything other than that?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 05:45 PM
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Why can't men accept the first no?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 05:24 PM
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If you believe women to intelligent, educated, informed, autonomous, empowered beings, why are you incapable of her telling you if she's changed her mind?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 05:23 PM
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The women who have wanted to fuck me.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 05:19 PM
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Because pestering a woman for sex is coercive. Why did he keep asking after the first time?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 05:19 PM
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"Women are just liars bro" is not a compelling argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 05:18 PM
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I'm not trying to solve any social problem. It's a simple question that illustrates that many men on this sub consider "technically yes" to be sufficient.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 05:15 PM
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Sorry, are you trying to say you must have sex in a given encounter?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 05:14 PM
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Women can tell you when they want sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 05:13 PM
1

If your partner doesn't find you desirable, why are you with them?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 05:12 PM
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Someone made a comparison to a sleazy salesman in another thread. "I got laid, don't really care about anything else."
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 05:12 PM
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Great, so then you have no reason not simply allow women to tell you that they've changed their mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 05:10 PM
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I mean that's the point. It's clearly coercive, but lots of guys here want to find excuses why they it should be OK to keep asking.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 05:09 PM
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I never said "all women." Lots of women find men repeatedly asking for sex to be coercive. We can keep playing these games all day.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 05:07 PM
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Lots of women want to have sex and do not make a single movement in that direction, because it is 'men's work.' Right back atcha.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 05:00 PM
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Why does your lifestyle preclude women telling you when they want sex? That is...weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 04:59 PM
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Lots of women want to have sex and do not make a single movement in that direction, because it is 'men's work.' When women want to fuck you, they're not shy about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 04:56 PM
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So she can come tell you that she changed her mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 04:55 PM
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What is the time between those asks? Why are you asking more than once? She said no. You know what's funny, though? I reversed the genders and asked this to women, and the vast majority were able to give an immediate answer without any additional information or hypothetical tangents, and the vast majority answered the same way. So why are so many women able to understand the question immediately, but men on this sub are utterly baffled by it? Perhaps she wants it at that point, and the previous …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 04:54 PM
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That's what most normal people do.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 04:48 PM
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And if she says no, why are you asking again?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 04:47 PM
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Red pill is strikingly similar to what "science" as like before the implementation of the scientific method. All vibes and correlation without causation.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 04:42 PM
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You do understand that a salesman coming to you and repeatedly asking you for a sale was such a common tactic that we actually created laws for people to get out of these sales?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 01:48 PM
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If that's what you need to believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 12:47 PM
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No, because pestering her for sex is not the only way to express sexual desire. So if weeks go by and she doesn't initiate, should I just kinda accept the relationship is over Uh, you should probably talk to her about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 05:19 AM
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Ok, so do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 05:18 AM
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No, this isn't remotely accurate and reeks of what people with no relationship experience think.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 01:58 AM
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You did try, and she said no. If she changes her mind, she can tell you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 01:48 AM
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You didn't explain why you can't wait for her to ask.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 01:34 AM
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Because women are less likely to initiate and even sometimes interpret you not initiating as an implication that you're not interested. Ok? And...you don't have sex. That's all.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 01:28 AM
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and sex might still happen if the foreplay ends up changing her mind And she is perfectly capable of letting you know she's changed her mind. Why do you need to ask again?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 12:58 AM
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Presumably my wife is in love with me, as were several of my previous girlfriends. Not sure what that has to do with you telling me where to find these women pestering me for my company and presence.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 12:37 AM
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Nope, no black pill discussion necessary. Where are women pestering me for my company and presence?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 12:35 AM
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Where can I find these women pestering me for my presence and company?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 12:31 AM
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It's not a "single ridiculous scenario" it's "the most common scenario in which these happen Golly, men pestering women for sex is a common scenario? Everyone on here doesn't talk the way they behave, especially not blue pillers. That is a meaningless statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 12:24 AM
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And I give you a simple perspective for why your question is odd It's actually a really straightforward question that requires no additional hypotheticals to answer. It's fucking baffling to me that one thinks you can answer such a question in a vaccuum. Why do think that if you can construct a single ridiculous scenario, it invalidates what the question is asking? Do you want to guess how many of these "women" you asked that to are sexists and misandrists on top of hypocrites who are probably g…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 12:19 AM
3

What mixed signal is there about saying no to sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 11:25 PM
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Both. In both cases it's an opportunity to learn new things and honestly it's just cool to watch people do things they're really good at.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 01:16 PM
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I didn't try and load anything at all. I asked a simple question (that I've asked multiple times before with similar results) and all I get are replies of dudes trying to figure exact, specific scenarios where they can claim it's not coercion, which means they know it's coercion but still want to say yes anyway without seeming like a creep. It is fucking baffling to me. What's really interesting is I've reversed the genders and asked women, and the vast majority are able to answer immediately an…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 01:07 PM
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Once again, dudes on this sub can never answer this question without trying to game it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 12:31 PM
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I think it's a great quote that dudes on Reddit only read the first half of because the second half is a rebuke of the patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 03:05 AM
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BPers conceded the gym/physique point because it was too undeniable. No, that's simply bullshit. Nobody has ever seriously tried to argue appearance doesn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 09:58 PM
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No, you can leave them alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 08:37 PM
3

Then they can come and find you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 06:19 PM
1

Then there's no longer answer. Your response to "if a woman says no 9 times and then finally says yes on the 10th time" is "yes, she has consented."
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 06:16 PM
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Yes, and you wanted to start dissecting it, so here we are.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 06:04 PM
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I'm looking at the situation from outside Why is anyone asking after the first no?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 05:58 PM
2

Except why not accept the first no?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 05:57 PM
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Except none of what you said was smart, so I'm not surprised you went after spelling I went after your arguments first, I just thought it was amusing you tried to be so smug with a glaring typo. And maybe later you will also learn respecting women's "yes" IS respecting women's choice And perhaps you will learn that consent is a two way street and I'm not required to have sex with a woman just because she says yes. for treating women like children Once again, respecting consent is not treating wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 05:57 PM
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when they don't have anything smart to say, s Except it was preceded by multiple explanations as to why you're wrong :) It's wild to me so many of you don't respect women's choice TIL respecting when a woman says no is "not respecting a woman's choice" attempts to paint men as rapist The arrogance of red pill and red pill adjacent dudes on this sub that their world view is the world view of all men never ceases to amaze me. A man took first no and moved on, but a woman then decided she actually …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 02:27 PM
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Why are you asking her at all after the first no?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 01:58 PM
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So you take one, totally hypothetical situation (OP's post) as a moral superiority You'll have to point out where I said anything about moral superiority. but other hypothetical (mine question) as something that would never happen. ...you are welcome to say "no" to my hypothetical. I'll even give you a freebie: "no" is actually the right answer. It is absolutely wild it never occurred to you that you could just answer no without trying to fabricate a situation where you would hypothetically be o…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 01:57 PM
1

Except the burden is on you to accept the first no. You dodged mine. Because that wasn't the question. My answer is no because I wouldn't have asked her after the first time. If she wants to fuck me, she knows where to find me. I think you are able to scroll down or up and look for the yourself. It's not some study to link it There are 175 comments in this thread and you have your comment history hidden. I don't see the comments you're referring to.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 01:48 PM
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She could say "no" tenth time also And you could accept "no" the first time. If she said "no" 9 times, and then said "hell yeah, let's do it!" is she consenting or not? That wasn't the question. The question was 9 nos followed by 1 yes. In comments under this post. Can you link them?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 01:29 PM
1

Yeah, that's what I thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:45 PM
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There's really not. It's a simple yes or no answer. Is your answer yes or no?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:40 PM
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No is no, yes is yes So if you ask a woman 9 times and she says no, and on the tenth time she finally says yes, you believe she is consenting? So far I asked this question bunch of times Where?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:40 PM
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I don't think you have understood the point of the question. Like every dude who answers this any time I ask it, there's always a hundred hypothetical to try and game the question. When you reverse the genders and ask wome, they almost never require any clarification. Why is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:38 PM
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I mean, the answer is pretty clear to me; no, she is not really consenting. And if you reverse the genders, women generally do not require any clarification and overwhelmingly answer the same way. I'm curious why that's not the case for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:35 PM
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because y'all ain't trying to murk concept of consent to play some gotcha game, right? No, it's actually very straightforward. See, if you reverse the genders and ask women, they overwhelmingly give the same answer without needing any further clarification. So why do dudes on the sub always try to find a way around it?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:31 PM
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Ok, let's try it a different way. If you ask a woman ten times to have sex, and she says no 9 times before finally saying yes, has she consented?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:26 PM
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I don't think I do. I find it fascinating that I've asked this question on multiple occasions and dudes here always try to game the question like it's some kind of gotcha.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 07:18 PM
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No, I think my question is quite clear, and the fact that so many guys on this sub always try to game the question really is the answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 06:44 PM
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Yeah I don't think you understood the point of the exercise.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 06:39 PM
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You asked for sex nine times and she was busy every single time and never once said "let's fuck at this time instead?"
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 06:39 PM
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Well being present is literally one of the most basic requirements for any relationship, but I would suggest that your assessment of the other guy and of what women, especially this woman, wants in a relationship needs recalibration.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 06:12 PM
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Because my entire point is that the ideology that is truly red pill are the misogynistic conspiracy theories. Saying "well I don't believe that part" means you have rejected red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 05:49 PM
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Again, none of what you're describing requires red pill at all. This is literally most basic advice possible. and stop being a lazy bum blaming the world for all your problems. Red pillers routinely bitch about how society tells men if they aren't successful with women it's their fault. So why would anyone want to be bluepill? Because they aren't misogynistic conspiracy theorists, mainly.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 05:18 PM
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Red pill did not come up with the idea of "leagues." What does blue pill offer thats not just anti-redpill? Nothing. Blue pill isn't an ideology, it's a rejection of red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 05:14 PM
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Ok, then what is red pill offering if not conspiracy theories and misogyny?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 05:09 PM
-1

The term is from The Matrix (and the irony of red pillers choosing that term is unending). The ideology is an offshoot of the PUA community, from a subset of pick up dudes who believed the alpha male strategy was the most effective. This is also where the term "mogging" comes from, it's originally a pick up term AMOG (alpha male of the group) that, if not coined, was popularized by a PUA dipshit who called himself Tyler Durden (again without any understanding of irony). I would call him the most…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 04:57 PM
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A) Red pill is directly descended from PUA B) I said that even PUA dudes who claimed to have found success still hung around to give advice to other men. I'm not talking about the PUA grifters, lord knows there are plenty of red pill grifters too. I'm talking just the regular discussions.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 03:08 PM
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I'm clearly making the point that red pill had no hand in them finding a girlfriend, that's why they leave it behind. Like, I struggled with dating before finding success, and I've been in a relationship and married for a long time now. I still try and help men with what worked for me. PUA artists who claimed to have found success still hung around and offered help to other men. But the vast majority of red pill men abandon red pill as soon as they get in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:49 PM
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Except red pill has quite a lot to say about how men are supposed to act in relationships as well. And even in the PUA community, the guys who claimed to be successful (press X to doubt) still hung around to help the unsuccessful guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:27 PM
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To which you said "yeah going to the gym will help, thats not redpill advice No, I said that in reply to "well red pill advice must have worked."
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:26 PM
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A really good question for red pill and red pill adjacent men on this sub: If you ask a woman for sex 10 times and she gives you 9 nos and then 1 yes, did she consent?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:24 PM
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It started as a subgroup of PUA subculture. By my estimation, it started with a PUA doofus who called himself Tyler Durden, but somebody may be able to trace it further back than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:20 PM
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And yet the number of men in happy relationships coming back to tell other red pillers it works and to encourage them to stick with it is incredibly small compared to the number of red pillers who are trying to find dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:18 PM
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I did read it and I explained why I disagreed. That's how debate works.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:15 PM
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How does one "complete" a relationship other than breaking up or one of them dying? I'm saying these men succeeded in spite of red pill, not because of it. The reality is they were struggling with dating, which is a nearly universal experience, and then they met someone and realized everything red pill told them about dating and relationships was bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:41 PM
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Like yeah, going to the gym will help. That's not red pill advice. Everyone already knew that. Haven't you noticed how there are very few red pillers with girlfriends and even fewer who are married? Doesn't it seem strange that all these red pillers abandon this ideology the moment they get an actual relationship and not the hypothetical relationship red pill told them it would be?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:21 PM
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What are the consequences men face for their poor dating decisions?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 12:53 PM
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If og red pillers to be believed then Red Pill was a movement that focused on how men can get their shit together, and increase their changes of attracting women. It was personal responsibility movement, something that gave men assertiveness and guided them to improvement. Well at least it was supposed to be it. This is historical revisionism. I was reading red pill shit before it was even called red pill. It was always misogynistic woe is me garbage. It was always about hating women under a ven…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 12:51 PM
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Which are?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 12:46 PM
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What consequences do you think she should face?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 12:14 PM
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There are men with whom women will sleep on a first date, and then there are men who women consider a red flag for expecting a peck on the cheek after a third. The fallacy is believe that women uniformly treat these men the same way. These are the sorts of comments that make it clear to other people that red pillers et al literally have no idea how dating works. and there are virgins who get accused of feeling entitled to women bodies for wanting to try it out once. Wanting to have sex is normal…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 11:57 AM
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Guys can get violent when a woman rejects him approaching. How much worse is it going to be if a woman approaches him and then rejects him?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 04:09 PM
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That is a meaningless statement that in no way relates to the discussion at hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:59 AM
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they're kinda regurgitating the same logic lookism types have been saying all along: people over 30 are past-their-prime ghouls and people in their 20s would be wasting their "prime" if they dated them - its just camouflaged in concern trolling around safety and maturity. No, this is a flagrant lie. The issue is and always has been the significantly increased risk of manipulation and abuse due to their difference in experience and maturity.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:54 AM
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Oh yeah, red pillers are embarrassment to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 07:39 PM
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This is just "if a woman cares at all about the finances of her partner, she's a gold digger." No, caring about the finances of your partner is a very rational, reasonable thing to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 05:37 PM
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not the whiny bitches calling themselves redpilled today I've been listening to red pillers since before they were called red pillers. They've always been this whiny.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 01:00 PM
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And the directive is "this is your head count to complete these jobs." Also, when y'all blather on about "high status men" getting all the women, you're talking about middle managers?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 10:15 AM
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With the exception of small companies, the owner generally does not decide who gets hired. I've worked for several companies and the only time the CEO or owner had any input on me getting hired was a company that had less than 50 people.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 10:00 AM
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when really it's a problem with the ruling class. Like who?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 09:54 AM
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But the issue here is that every one of these points can be applied to how many men (especially men on this sub) view women on dating apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 12:22 AM
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Absolutely, but she's very rightly pointing out that men on this sub routinely accept tiktoks and blog posts about Tinder "experiments" as evidence for how hard it is for men. So either it's all OK or none of it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 12:11 AM
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Ok, that's fine, but let's cut the horseshit of "women can get attention from a guy any time so therefore they shouldn't complain"? Like that's the real issue here.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 12:07 AM
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A SAHM is well compensated for her role, she is given free housing, free healthcare, free food etc etc etc. It's not unpaid labour What do you think it costs to hire a chef, housekeeper, and nanny for a year?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:22 PM
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That's why I said "red pill narrative."
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:47 PM
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I thought the red pill narrative was that even "land whales" can easily get top 20% men. Is that no longer the case?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:37 PM
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That people are already doing exactly what you are saying in the OP
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:46 PM
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Should that mean we should send who potentially falsely accused someone to jail without due process or evidence? You are saying this like this is not constantly what men online advocate for. Any time a man is found not guilty of sex crimes, men immediately begin demanding that she should be jailed for false accusations even though she hasn't been convicted of anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:35 PM
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Ok but like how? What examples do you have?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 12:58 PM
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Because you're just saying words and pretending like it's irrefutable truth. You have to explain how those things create a power dynamic.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 12:57 PM
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A man in Canada tried starting a men’s shelter after he was denied help as a male domestic abuse victim. Feminists relentlessly harassed him and lobbied the local government to deny him any funding. I completely forgot to call out this garbage. This is a total lie, Earl Silverman was never "relentlessly harassed" by feminists, his shelter was ignored by the mostly male government, and he explicitly named them in his suicide note, no mention of feminists. But that's inconvenient to the manosphere…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 12:56 PM
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Men have been bullied into silence by feminists who insist that any acknowledgment of men’s issues is misogyny Not only is that total bullshit, but even if it was true (it's not), so what? Some feminists get mad and you just give up? Why did you think social change would just be handed to you when every other group in history has had to fight for it?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 12:27 PM
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Because men have to actually care about men's issues. The problem right now is the biggest voice for men's issues is the manosphere and related groups, and they don't actually care about men's issues, they only care about attacking women and feminists. They will actively argue against solutions if it means they can keep bashing women and feminists. I've suggested that men who are sincerely interested in change check out groups like r/MensLib, but you'll inevitably see the responses to that here …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 12:24 PM
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That's meaningless. How are those things used to manipulate someone who doesn't have dating experience?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:37 AM
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The fact such women could easily manipulate a man with less romantic experience than an average teenager was a non-issue Manipulate how?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:32 AM
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It's a terrible analogy. "Why do you need to see the paperwork? I didn't steal the car!" Yes, if you show up at my door demanding to see my car's paperwork, I am going to assume you're checking to see if I stole it. When a cop is pulls you over and asks to see your registration, he's checking if you're driving a stolen car. If I ask it of a person I'm buying from, it's because I need to paperwork to prove I didn't steal the car. Like what are you even talking about
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 11:57 PM
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We're not talking about buying a car, we're talking about getting a paternity test. "I want a paternity test." "Why? I didn't cheat." What's your response to justify a paternity test without accusing her of cheating?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 11:09 PM
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Nope, just pointing out the cognitive dissonance among red pillers. even if it's a pathetically biased study Exhibit A
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 05:02 PM
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If you understand the problem with making such generalizations from a survey, then you understand the problem with the OP, and you understand why I posted those links. If you don't understand, then you're just mad I'm pushing back against the prevailing red pill narratives that flood this sub. Unfortunately, a lot of red pillers and red pill adjacent men are so incredibly arrogant that they think they represent all men's views and anyone pushing back must be guilty of misandry.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 03:51 PM
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No, you just don't like that I call out the rampant red pill bullshit on this sub. I hear day in and day out about how I supposedly hate men so much but when it comes time to actually point out where this is supposedly happening, it's crickets. Hell I had a guy yesterday tell me that since I hadn't recently complimented a man on Reddit, I must hate men. It's ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 03:33 PM
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And I'm point out the issues of using a survey to estimate what attitudes are towards male rape victims.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 03:08 PM
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I think the bigger question is why do you recognize the problem when I do it but not when OP does it? But I get the feeling you will never reflect on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 03:06 PM
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You can toss whatever you want. I'm just pointing out the extremely common tactic of red pillers et al suddenly turning into academic researchers and coming up with excuses to dismiss a study when they don't like what it says and blindly swallowing it when they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 04:21 AM
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I'm simply pointing out that if people are going to pick apart any study they don't agree with and dismiss it out of hand, then I'm going to do the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 04:17 AM
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It's still insufficient sampling, and undergrads enrolled in the course have a large self selection bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 02:15 AM
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https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34978934/ The link above only has 372 from the 2019 sample and 172 from the 1984 sample. No questions were provided to check for biasing in the data collection nor does it give any parameters for the sampling selection.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 01:13 AM
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Yup. Dudes here have argued on multiple occasions that a woman who dates a man who is taller than her is hypergamous.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 01:08 AM
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95% of men between 18-34 admitting to using sexual coercion as long as you don't call it sexual coercion. 32% of college age men say they would rape someone as long as you don't call it rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 12:53 AM
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If that's what you need to win.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 10:04 PM
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But you did, and I directly quoted it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 10:00 PM
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You did move the goalposts. I even quoted it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 09:55 PM
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No, they don't really want that either. I remember a woman posting that she was frustrated that she was looking for something casual and guys literally could not stop sending her sexually explicit messages and photos the moment they matched. She said if any of those guys had even taken the effort to talk to her like a human she would have hooked up with them. The comments were full of dudes mocking her for expecting guys to bother getting to know her before demanding sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 09:54 PM
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With all due respect you have no clue. In your “hay day” the newest piece of technology was a blackberry. Bahahahaha sorry bud, I was using dating apps well after BlackBerries went under. But it's cute that you think it's SO different now when, in reality, red pill has been saying this same exact shit since before it was even called red pill. Hey if it's so old and out of touch, why do red pillers use a survey from 2009 to prove the 80/20 rule?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 09:46 PM
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To be fair, it's contemporary claims about gender are also wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 09:36 PM
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No, because I didn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 09:34 PM
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You have never said anything positive about men Except I have and even gave you an example. My life is not limited to what you personally decide counts.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 09:05 PM
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I don't care what you decided your question was about later. That's what you said, and I gave an example. If you want to throw a hissy fit because it doesn't fit the narrative you created in your head, that's not my problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 09:03 PM
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Lets start small, can you provide one example of you saying something nice about or to a man? I fulfilled this. Now you claim it doesn't count. Because you were never asking in good faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 08:54 PM
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Nope, sorry, you don't get to move the goalposts again.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 08:50 PM
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I already gave one example. And you did exactly what I knew you'd do and demand another.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:55 PM
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No, I don't think I will. I already gave an example.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:54 PM
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Sorry I didn't record my conversation for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:36 PM
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Nope, you just moved the goalposts. You have never said anything positive about men If you're asking when I've said something positive about any man, I complimented my friend just an hour ago about his demo tracks.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:31 PM
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Except I don't, not only for the reason I explained, but because you can't even explain it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 04:19 PM
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people have been talking constant shit about men as far back as I can remember. So we're just going off what we've heard some people saying? Because I can find some real stimulating comments from conservative voters if that's our sole basis for what each party believes.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 03:14 PM
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Sure, just like I see how silly it is to argue a billionaire businessman who comes from generational wealth is "anti establishment."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 03:15 AM
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He's still establishment through and through, especially for jaded voters who believe the government is run by business interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 03:03 AM
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I didn't and explained why. Sorry if that's inconvenient to your narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 01:15 AM
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You didn't prove anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 01:11 AM
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Oh I have no idea. I don't keep an encyclopedia of my posts. I also couldn't find you a comment of me praising all women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 12:27 AM
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No, you just arrogantly assume that criticism of men who subscribe to red pill brain rot must apply to all men. I'm sorry to tell you, red pill does not represent all men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 11:43 PM
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I'm asking a super simple question and you are apparently completely incapable of answering it. When did Biden attempt to overthrow the government?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 07:32 PM
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That's not the question I asked. What is your source for your claim?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 07:21 PM
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You did ignore it and then went on to make completely baseless claims. When did Biden try to overthrow the government?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 07:21 PM
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Sorry, you don't get to ignore my question and then ask me to answer yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 07:12 PM
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I sure was. Can you show me when Biden tried to overthrow the government?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 07:10 PM
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Trump is a rich boy who bought his way into the White House. How is that not "establishment?"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:58 PM
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This is such whitewashing bullshit. No, the flagrant corruption and shitting on Americans being dealt with now is not "both sides."
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:57 PM
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Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:55 PM
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"I want a paternity test." "Why? I didn't cheat on you." Please give me your full explanation to satisfy this question that does not require asserting wrongdoing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:19 PM
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To some, the reality hasn't really matched that expectation, putting housing and wages aside (which are another disappointment...), dating and family formation probably became less attainable than they expected I agree, I think this is a huge factor. What doesn't make sense is how that equates to going right. That's why I think some of these people become more receptive to political movements that promise a different explanation or different solutions. But that's the thing, they don't promise an…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:17 PM
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Because women are not a hivemind. This is really a failure of red pillers et al to understand statistical data vs individual data points. A woman who goes against the "trend" is not a liar.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:08 PM
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I think it's interesting to explore exactly why there is this divide. When you talk to young women, they very often run down a list of policies and reasons why they support the left. When you ask young men why they lean right, it's usually some variation of "the left hates men." The only policy I've ever heard anyone specifically supporting is "Trump got rid of DEI," and they ignore that men continue to lag behind in employment and college enrollment (because DEI was never actually a problem). I…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:01 PM
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Yes, dudes here do all sorts of mental gymnastics to explain it away, that doesn't make it true. It's an accusation of paternity fraud, plain and simple. If it's not, then there's no reason to get a test.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 01:18 PM
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Oh ok, then the false paternity fraud accusation also causes emotional distress, hence why it should be punished.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 01:16 PM
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I don't think I've seen many progressives be outraged by Bonnie Blue. Clavicular has nothing to do with sex positivity or sexual autonomy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 06:09 PM
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And demanding a paternity test is accusing your partner of having unprotected sex with another person, leading to her getting pregnant.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 05:35 PM
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Sure, it's the same idea here though. They want the demure virginal woman as their partner but they want her to act like the sexually promiscuous women they claim to hate. When she doesn't, then they lose desire for her (love but does not desire). And you can read these men gleefully crowing about pumping and dumping the promiscuous women (desire but does not love)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 03:45 PM
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Can't say for sure, but I've seen a hell of lot more complaints from men about 4B than I've heard from 4B women themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 03:39 PM
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Nope. Context clearly reveals "they" are the red pillers described in the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 03:36 PM
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No, this is a common sentiment among red pillers, but at no point did I suggest men are a monolith. It is interesting that you make this argument that men are not a monolith yet assume any criticism of specific red pillers must apply to all men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 03:05 PM
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I didn't say men are a monolith, I specifically referred to the red pillers as described in the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:55 PM
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It's just like how the "if she did it for an ex, she should do it for me" rule vanishes the moment it comes fucking him in the ass with a strap on. She needs to be kinky and open minded, but only the way he wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:37 PM
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It's called the Madonna-whore complex. They want this mythical hypersexual freak who is only a hypersexual freak for them. Women (in their view) should be good little church girls until the alpha red piller comes along to unlock their sexuality, but only for him and only in the way he wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:12 PM
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That wasn't the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:03 PM
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Then you'd be fine simply testing the mother's DNA against the baby's.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:39 PM
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But that's only if they make it public, right? The hospital isn't telling anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:38 PM
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Oh ok, a rape accusation is simply acknowledging that there is a possibility of rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 11:49 AM
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Fraud does not only occur with legal obligations and I'm not aware of any court that recognizes this as an actual crime, is there?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 11:48 AM
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It's not a possibility. When she asks why you're getting a paternity test, that possibility vanishes.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 05:54 AM
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This red pill nonsense rambling doesn't really answer the question though. If a destroyed relationship is enough for a woman falsely accused, why isn't enough for a man who is a victim of paternity fraud?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 05:07 AM
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I mean is that acceptable for women who commit paternity fraud? A destroyed relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 04:37 AM
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But why not get the cheap test first to even see if this is an issue? Why are we pretending like this is in anyway relevant to the endless discussions of paternity fraud?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 03:26 AM
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If you buy meals and clothes for your niece and it later turns out your niece isn't biologically related, have you been defrauded?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 03:23 AM
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Why would you get a court admissible parentage test just to see if there was a hospital swap?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 03:21 AM
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So then you are okay with false accusations of rape as long as it's not in court?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 03:20 AM
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So you're cool with any false accusations of rape as long as it's not in court?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 03:19 AM
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If he was concerned for a hospital swap then he could have just tested the mother's DNA. And the damage is clearly injury to her reputation and emotional suffering.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 03:11 AM
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Then "deception via adultery" is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:59 AM
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So you're still accusing her of paternity fraud. There's literally no other reason for him to seek a paternity test.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:16 AM
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...in the context of violating a legal contract or document. This is you, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:00 AM
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I didn't make any "analogy." Rape is not the only thing you can falsely accuse someone of.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:59 AM
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Also I forgot to reply to this: Only a complete simp cuck could believe they are comparable in any shape or form. You apparently don't know what any of those words mean
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:59 AM
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Adultery is not a crime. It's not impossible but it is incredibly difficult to prove fraud without a paper trail.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:57 AM
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Again, having doubts that the child is your and having a test to get rid of those doubts is in no way comparable to lying about rape. I didn't say it was, I said it was a false accusation. Rape is not the only thing you can falsely accuse someone of.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:55 AM
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A birth certificate isn't a contract, it's a record.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:50 AM
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Marriage is a legal contract, is it not?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:41 AM
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A woman could accuse her husband of rape in a heated argument, no? Only person who'd know is whoever does the test which will revel the truth. And every person who wonders why they're no longer together.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:41 AM
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Then wouldn't paternity testing fall under these definitions? You concealed the relevant information that you were going to demand a paternity test? You made an assertion of paternity fraud reckless to the statement truth?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:37 AM
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What deception? If you got her to freely sign a document saying she absolutely 100% guarantees you are the father, you're going to have a hell of a time proving deception.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:33 AM
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I mean it's the same idea as a false rape accusation, right? No problem as long as they keep it to themselves?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:29 AM
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That's still giving someone else the money. Your money is going to the child. There's no misapprehension about where it's going or what it's for.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:28 AM
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But what's the actual damage suffered? He willingly gave money to a child and fostered a loving relationship with them?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:21 AM
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You're slandering their reputation.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:19 AM
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No, because I didn't willingly give that money. Unless you are accusing the child of robbing you, you willingly gave the money.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:18 AM
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You're not "voicing your concerns" by getting a test. You're accusing her of paternity fraud and if it turns out you are the father, then you have falsely accused her.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:16 AM
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You don't get to create a separate fraud definition just for your personal pet issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:15 AM
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Pay back for what? What damages has he suffered?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:14 AM
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I know my dad is 100 percent my dad but I still got a DNA test out of interest. So you suspected your mom of cheating. That's literally the only reason to get a paternity test. Saying it has to be "publicized" for it to damage her reputation is like saying a false rape accusation only damages his reputation if it gets reported.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:13 AM
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Nope, you would need to prove she knew that the putative father was not the father. "Uncertainty" is not enough for fraud.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:04 AM
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I didn't say it was the same the same as accusing of adultery. But it is a very serious false accusation.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:54 AM
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So now she needs to suffer living with her false accuser to protect her reputation?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:52 AM
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Accusing someone of paternity fraud absolutely damages their reputation.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:50 AM
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But not all adultery leads to paternity fraud.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:38 AM
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Asking for a paternity test is fabricating a specific incident. You're baselessly accusing someone of paternity fraud.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:36 AM
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You have to explain what damage you've suffered. You've paid to raise a loving child? What damage?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:13 AM
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Asking thr question is not the same as definitive proof.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:16 PM
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That's not the standard of fraud at all. She has to know that he's not the father.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:15 PM
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That's not the standard of fraud.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:23 PM
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Would you feel the same way about false accusations that are never reported to the police?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:51 PM
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You seem to just falsely accuse anyone who disagrees with you of being a 1%er. Well, I'm cool with standardizing genetic testing that includes paternity for all children. That wasn't the question?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:50 PM
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A loving child vs. having your reputation slandered and subjecting a child to an invasive medical procedure under false pretenses; which do you think ought to carry a codified punishment?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:47 PM
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People aren't going to wonder why they suddenly aren't living together?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:44 PM
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No, that's patently ridiculous. If you are insecure enough to demand a paternity test, you can accept the consequences. Other men should not have to give plausible deniability to your paranoia.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:40 PM
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You're conflating adultery with paternity fraud.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:39 PM
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Why? I didn't say they were equal severity.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:38 PM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:37 PM
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Is it really "good faith" though? Like look how discussions of paternity testing go, dudes here routinely argue it should be mandatory based on nothing at all, and openly admit the only thing stopping them from demanding it from a future partner is that she'll get mad and leave him. They have no reason to believe they aren't the father in their own hypotheticals, so how is it good faith to ask for a paternity test?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:36 PM
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Yep. She can be quite certain it is his.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:34 PM
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The woman. Having her reputation slandered by false accusations.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:33 PM
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Sure but that's true of any false accusation.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:31 PM
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I generally agree but I don't think that fits with many of this crowd who suggested pretty severe punishments for women who committed paternity fraud.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:45 PM
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What punishment is done to a man who has been the "victim" of paternity fraud? He helped raise a child who loves him?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:44 PM
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The legal system generally doesn't punish honest mistakes, This has never been a standard for paternity fraud discussions, no matter how many times I've brought it up. It feels very odd to say it's ok now.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:43 PM
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I mean, we can just handle it the way we've always handled it. But if we're gonna start doling out punishments for "paternity fraud," then we must also punish false accusers.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:42 PM
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It isn't the best interest of the child to be around a false accuser either, is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:40 PM
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*Falsely accusing someone of fraud And isn't that the most common suggestion for false accusers? That they should have to face whatever punishment someone actually convicted of the crime would face?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:40 PM
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I didn't. I compared a false accusation of paternity fraud to paternity fraud.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:12 PM
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That seems pretty lenient considering the punishments people were suggesting for paternity fraud.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:09 PM
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I'm fascinated by these Schrodinger's women who will dump men on a whim because his eyebrows are too close together yet endure years or decades with men they're apparently not even attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 05:31 PM
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It depends. It's not an automatic dealbreaker by any means, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 01:18 AM
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And I know tons of average guys who get dates, sex, marriage etc. All this really proves is "Be attractive, don't be unattractive" is bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 11:08 PM
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It very much is not. Not every trans person is affected by the trans pay gap. Not every black person is affected by the black pay gap. This is a requirement you invented to invalidate women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 06:51 PM
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You have yet to explain why it shouldn't be covered under gender pay gap other than it doesn't affect all women, which was never a requirement.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 06:34 PM
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I see guys talk about shit testing all the time like it's a regular thing but nobody can ever explain to me exactly what it is or what makes it a shit test.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 06:31 PM
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I gave no indication that it did. I simply said their respective pay gaps cover the reasons for which they are paid less. Your desperation to invalidate women being paid less is really something to behold.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 06:21 PM
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How does antagonizing someone (which every single human being has done) relate to consent?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 02:35 PM
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Because they're covered under the trans pay gap.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 01:20 PM
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No, I understand it pretty clearly, hence my previous response.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 04:50 AM
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Because most men aren't in a red pill cult that tells them they have no hope if they aren't a top 20% man.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 04:23 AM
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Why would a trans pay gap not cover a pay gap experienced by trans people?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 04:03 AM
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They sure can, would you like to discuss the trans pay gap as well as the gender pay gap?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 03:50 AM
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So dude asked for sex on the second date before the second date even happened, she said "not sure about that" and he sent her a voice message saying again that he wants sex on the second date. And the woman is wrong here? Gotta explain that one to me. And if we’re going for upfront consent, women’s feelings are going to have to get tossed out here Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 01:29 AM
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Except he met his wife before he was a celebrity.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 12:56 AM
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Nope. Even when accounting for education, industry, job title, hours worked, etc, women still consistently earn less.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 12:40 AM
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I didn't say it affects every woman. I said it only affects women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:50 PM
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Nope, I read the whole thing. I felt it necessary to repeat it because you were making the bizarre argument that things he did after he met his wife are why he met his wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 10:38 PM
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Yep, I did. His breakout role (critically, it was an indie film nobody saw) was The Station Agent and he had a small role in Elf. Both were in 2003, after he had met his wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 10:18 PM
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For starters, you haven't provided any statistics. You provided an article that says the opposite of what you claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 09:44 PM
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Where did I deny the existence of the trans pay gap? What a pathetic "gotcha"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 09:43 PM
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Why not? It's a pay gap that only affects women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 09:42 PM
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They met in 2002, before anybody knew who he is. Any other ideas?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 09:40 PM
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They met in 2002, before anybody knew who he was. So much for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 09:39 PM
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They met in 2002, before anybody knew who he was. So much for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 09:39 PM
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Ok the same applies to Graham Platner.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 09:31 PM
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Peter Dinklage proves height doesn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 07:12 PM
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You don't seem clear on what you're saying at all, which is why you linked me a 12 year old AARP article that says the opposite of what you claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 07:04 PM
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Gender pay gap works just fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 07:01 PM
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It literally does. It unambiguously debunks what you are saying. People overwhelmingly end up with their looks match, their income level match, and their education match. End of story.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 07:01 PM
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But they are penalized for having children. And only women. Ergo, it is a gender pay gap.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 07:00 PM
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Lolololololol And y'all wonder why the birth rate is declining. Hey if there's no obligation, why aren't men penalized?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 04:26 PM
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Because it affects one gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 04:25 PM
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Except these "consequences" only exist for women despite the fact both men and women make the same decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:54 PM
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No. I did Then you would know that the maternity penalty has always been part of the gender pay gap discussion. There's a reason he won the Nobel She, and there sure is. Because of her extensive research into the gender pay gap.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:21 PM
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Ohhh so you never actually bothered to read anything about the pay gap. Like anything. At all.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:48 PM
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A pay gap that affects 60% of women is still a gender pay gap.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:47 PM
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proving that the so-called "gender pay gap" is de facto a parenthood pay gap. Childless men and women have a very similar income, but the arrival of children brings a “sharp and persistent drop” in women’s earnings while having little effect on men How is this not a gender pay gap again?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:33 PM
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Not that anyone reads fucking profiles anyway. Actually they do but the fact that so many struggling men buy this bullshit is yet another brick in the "why am I still single' wall.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:22 PM
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Because it's a ridiculous argument. The entire point is that it's based in sexism. The same reason they don't pay women the same is the same reason they don't hire all women. Sexism.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:01 PM
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r/agedlikemilk
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:54 PM
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So...the pay gap exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:54 PM
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I'm simply refusing to allow red pillers to assert an alternate reality that suits their narrative. Your link irrefutably debunks your claim and I even quoted it for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:53 PM
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And as we know, if something is illegal, it never happens again.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 12:34 PM
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Your link does not say that. Sorry if that's inconvenient to your conspiracy theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 12:13 PM
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This is what I mean when I say red pill has no basis in reality. You provide a link that unambiguously says people are overwhelmingly attracted to people of similar education, income, and attractiveness, and you claim women are banging all the hot guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:53 AM
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I quoted it. From your own link. That directly, irrefutably, debunks your claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:42 AM
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And your claim is refuted by your own link.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:36 AM
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I'm saying your own link refutes your claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:32 AM
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You didn't even read your own link. The strongest force by far in partner selection is similarity—in education, race, religion and physical attractiveness," That is, definitively, not hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:24 AM
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They ignore the misogynists and assholes who don't get laid, just like they ignore the short men who do. If it doesn't fit the conspiracy theory, it doesn't count.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:23 AM
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Red pill is not remotely based on reality. 80/20, hypergamy, cock carousel, alpha widow, beta bucks, it's all looney tunes nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:14 AM
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But it's not how things play out. That's the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:01 AM
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Women don't earn the same as men. Like anyway you want to slice it, we consistently see that same pattern over and over again.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:01 AM
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If you all stopped having sex with misogynists, you'd solve a lot of your own issues. Many women did stop having sex with misogynists, and those men adopted red pill conspiracy theories and overwhelmingly voted for Trump. So much for that idea. So why would he ever thinks he has to change? To be a good person.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 10:56 AM
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It's not a sudden revelation. There's a difference between not wanting kids and a family and not wanting kids and a family right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 09:47 PM
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Are you literally trying to argue this study is unreliable except for the part you like?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 08:21 PM
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You're cherry picking the survey, the second two show attractive men are less likely than average men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 07:50 PM
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I literally said there's basically no difference between attractive men and average men. That dispels the whole belief on Chads. Secondly, it shows the the difference between average men and ugly men to be small.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 07:39 PM
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This isn't the interpretation since the average looking men also suffered a reduced likelihood of entering a relationship compared to attractive men except in one model which didn't control for educational level, social origin and age Nope. The percent increase of very attractive is pretty much the same as average (it's actually lower in a few instances). but they might have to date down in terms of looks and/or suffer some occasional disrespect from the woman. You've provided nothing to back th…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:50 PM
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What discussion is there? It all falls apart the moment you point out the alternative was Donald Trump. That's literally the only argument you need. Whatever legitimate concerns any voter may have had with Harris, it was worse with Trump. But hey, at least men don't have to fall in behind women, whatever the fuck that means.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:34 PM
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Which, of course, is nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:31 PM
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7-10% less likely. That means in a group do 100 ugly men and 100 average men, ~92 ugly men will have a partner for ever 100 average partnered men. This also shows that there's not really a significant difference between average and very attractive men, which also dispels the who Chad idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:29 PM
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To be fair, it also ignores actual reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:12 PM
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This means short/unattractive men can have a opportunity at a beautiful woman. So the problem isn't that short/unattractive men can't get dates at home, it's that they can't get the level of women they want. Basically the same thing they accuse women of when they complain about dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:07 PM
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You certainly are, and I certainly did.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 05:48 PM
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You are welcome to ignore my comments, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 05:40 PM
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That was probably a question to ask before you started insulting me.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 05:29 PM
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Yep, and then you deliberately ignored the nuance that I was very careful to include in my statement, specifically because of how red pillers love to pretend that only the most literal interpretations of words count (but only when it's an argument they don't like).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 05:16 PM
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Actually I didn't say any of that. I very deliberately included nuance in my choice of words, which you've chosen to ignore to strawman what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 05:00 PM
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No, and no good faith interpretation of my comment could have possibly led you to that conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 04:33 PM
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Because red pill has no legitimacy as an authority or governing body.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:56 PM
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No.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:34 PM
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No, sorry. This is yet another manosphere conspiracy theory that has no bearing on reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:33 PM
1

No, that is not accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 01:37 PM
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Because women have historically relied on men for economic survival. Now that they are increasingly not required to, many women support other women who choose to exercise the freedom to stay single. It is not viewed as empowering for men because men do not view it that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 12:36 PM
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now if you're just going to lie like this It's not a lie. It's actually an easily observed phenomenon and I've written several OPs with examples. MRAs were originally feminists, No, we're not going to play this game where you pretend that modern day MRAs have any connection with the pro-feminist MRAs in the 60s. nd only became anti-feminist after feminists opposed MRAs and kicked MRAs out of their movement for supporting gender equality No, this is a lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 05:13 AM
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Where did I say anything about black men?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 12:30 AM
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She did address their current issues as I already pointed out. I will also point out for the billionth time that Trump did not address any of their issues. But nobody ever wants to respond to that one.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 12:30 AM
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Insults aren't arguments, no matter how much you want them to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 11:43 PM
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You mean the one describing Project 2025? Do you think it's a coincidence that 25 states have passed ID laws for porn sites? Aren't people having less sex than ever? Hmmm
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 11:41 PM
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Sure, but it's not a political issue. And we can dispense with "red pill is only about dating," because it's not. when you know literally nothing about any of this? I dunno how old you are, but I was reading red pill shit before it was called red pill. I promise I'm very well informed.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 10:42 PM
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you're just too blue pilled to see what lies aren't working And they're apparently so devious that you are incapable of identifying a single one. Good thing nobody on the left is saying that Trump is Hitler or that Republicans are Nazis. Which candidate called Trump Hitler? Besides JD Vance, I mean. Are you too young to remember before the modern Red Pill shit when a lot of young men were just MRAs who wanted equality? I was reading red pill shit before it was even called red pill. And MRAs have…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 10:41 PM
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70 interested women seems promising to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 10:30 PM
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See, you don't want people to sympathize with you. You want people to tell you you're so much worse off than everyone else so you can tell them whose fault it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 10:08 PM
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Oh for sure, dating is hard. Hard is not the same as "exclusively impossible for average men who don't get the rate of matches they think they should"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 09:51 PM
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Is it only black boys that are falling behind in school? Nope. That's why it said "students" and not "only black male students and nobody else." The issue is that Harris didn't have a single reform plan that was directed at men as a group. And nobody can tell me what reform wasn't covered by her existing plan. Also nobody can tell me what reform Trump offered since he didn't mention men at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 09:48 PM
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No, I'm not. I'm just performing basic math and pointing the ridiculous logic of dudes who think match rate is the only metric of success.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 08:50 PM
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Once again a strawman.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 07:37 PM
0

What exactly is the "bad position" and why is it bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 07:24 PM
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Lazy comments will claim that progressives blame men, but a quick look at the people who could even possibly be considered progressive idealogues like Bernie, AOC, and Jon Stewart, and you really have to herniate yourself to make it seem like they're blaming men, which is why they overwhelmingly rely on random Tiktoks and tweets to back up their claims, just like conservatives rely on isolated immigrant crime or a single trans swimmer winning one college event to blame. Already addressed this ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 06:10 PM
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It is about Trump. Men are outraged when Clinton or Harris or AOC makes a moderately thoughtless comment and claim it's justification for not voting for them. Men don't care when Trump (and other conservatives) make absolutely horrendous comments and apparently is not even a reason to pause when voting for Trump. Your only explanation is "hurr durr well the left hates men because they made these dumb comments"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 05:52 PM
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Sorry, you don't get to ignore my question and then ask me to answer yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 05:40 PM
1

As Hillary said: worst victims of war is women Man, can I call it or what? You don't care when Trump mocked a gold star family, insulted POWs, and called the hundreds of thousands of dead men "suckers and losers," but you sure as shit remember the time Clinton made a tone deaf comment about women being victims of war. Once again, just rationalizing voting for Trump.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 05:38 PM
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Women get support largely from other women. Men largely do not support other men. Be the change you want to see. r/GuyCry is full of guys who need support.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:52 PM
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It's absolutely a moral issue. Being a beta cuck is disgusting to them. Why do you think they use it so often as an insult?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:41 PM
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No, I said they baselessly believe the left hates men to rationalize voting for Trump over Harris or Clinton. Left tells that people who don't vote for dems are evil, maga or want to take womens rights. If you vote for MAGA, I'm struggling to see why you would be upset as being labeled MAGA. If you vote for taking away women's rights, I'm struggling to see why you would be upset at being told you voted to take away women's rights. And you can spare me the "evil" pearl clutching. Dems lost becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:40 PM
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Recognized by whom? Doctors, researchers, specialists, and other medical professionals who have far more knowledge and insight than you do. I’m not even sure that everyone who calls themselves a therapist is properly licensed in some way. So go see a licensed therapist. I'm not sure why that needed to be stated. A lot of men already do think that therapy is basically a “grift” since it is feminist-centric. Yep, because manosphere grifting only works when you can blame women and feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:21 PM
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I never said i am not. And i don't accociate myself with manosphere. Sure. Seems ineffective Yeah, it's hard to enact change when you don't have control of the government. because they are stupid Nope, you made that up to deflect from what I actually said.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:05 PM
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Because you got your dick chopped Glad to see that manosphere misandry. Skyrocketing suicide rates, school programms, DEI stupidity? Mental health and education are both major left wing issues. DEI is a pathetic boogeyman. Trump axed all DEI (the only thing anyone can ever tell me that he did for men), and men are still lagging behind in unemployment and college enrollment. He did dismantle the department of education though. I'm sure that will be great for boys. Trying to interact with a lot of…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:36 PM
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So she excluded men but "just happened" to include men. And you don't understand why I say these men were just looking for an excuse to vote right. Are men issues ever raised by lefts What men's issues are ignored by the left? More importantly, what men's issues are ignored by the left and addressed by the right? You need to be sorry for something, blame them for something and so on No, this is a lie. I'm a white man who spends all their time in progressive circles. I've never been told I need t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:12 PM
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Then why do they hate them?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:53 PM
1

This doesn't actually refute what I said. You're just explaining the emotion, you're not explaining how it's disconnected from moral judgment, especially in this context.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:48 PM
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As is yours. I've read red pillers demonizing mental health treatment for years.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:43 PM
1

Once again, you would benefit from reading the thread your replying to before jumping in.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:35 PM
1

It absolutely is.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:32 PM
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Or working men or student men/boys or men affected or needing medical treatment. What issues facing men aren't covered by those categories? You didn't address this deficiency in Trump in your previous comment either.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:32 PM
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The dude in this thread literally called therapy a blue pill grift. Maybe you should try reading what's been said before jumping in with your two cents.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:22 PM
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I read it all the time, that's how I know they demonize it. They shit on therapy and dismiss people who take meds like antidepressants.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:10 PM
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Great, then it can't be based off Elon Musk either.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:08 PM
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And if we were in pre school, the "I didn't say those exact words" argument might be valid. But we're not, so it isn't. Red pill does not promote any form of mental health treatment and actually demonizes it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:02 PM
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Nope, you ignored what I actually said once again.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:01 PM
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Ok, so it's a moral judgment.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:00 PM
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So that all you got from my text. Welp You intentionally ignored the categories I mentioned to try and falsely claim Harris excluded most men. You believe there is not truth in it, millions men who voted did. That doesn't make it true. You are welcome to make the argument that the perception is what matters, which is absolutely true, I'm just pointing out the perception is a self imposed fantasy with no basis in reality (and the irony that "red pillers" do this is not lost on me). men are evil M…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:00 PM
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They take whatever method is available Right here.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:53 PM
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Yep. Because you're deflecting from what I actually said because you have no response to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:53 PM
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So they hate other men for not getting sex? Huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:52 PM
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That's not an actual argument. That's "I'm just going to say you're wrong without ever explaining why."
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:51 PM
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Then short men who aren't successful aren't failing because they're short. This logic goes both ways. ‘just treat women like humans and you’ll easily find someome bro No one has ever told you the only thing you need to do to be successful is treat women like humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:50 PM
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Nah, it's not, and you know it's not.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:47 PM
1

And the goalposts move again.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:47 PM
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"Figure it out" is not mental health treatment.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:46 PM
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No, workers and students are actually the vast majority of the population. What issue do men want addressed they doesn't fall into the listed categories? Trump didn't have a category for men either, why isn't that a problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:45 PM
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Oh I don't care about that. If the manosphere wants to keep sticking their dick in an electrical socket to own the libs, it's not my job to stop them. "well the other side did exactly the same and no one said anything!" No, I actually said the other side does far far worse on nearly a daily basis, but men don't care because it's not a woman saying it. You did the exact same thing literally the comment after I pointed it out. I have never pretended the Democratic party is flawless. I just said "t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:41 PM
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Workers and students and people who need medical treatment are not minorities. A lot of left believe that the reason why they lost it's because men are bad, I didn't say anything about voters being "good" or "bad." I said this very specific subset of men made a false claim and created a double standard where they can feel persecuted by the left. There's no truth to it, it's just a bullshit rationalization.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:34 PM
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I literally just pointed out she didn't ignore men at all. Trump did ignored men and continues to ignore men, yet dudes here act like he's just the default choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:31 PM
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Didn't have to Google. You aren't the first person to try and challenge me on this. And you ignored why I brought it up in the first place, which is why you keep moving the goalposts.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:24 PM
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And how do they propose people struggling with addiction quit? "Just stop" isn't mental health treatment.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:22 PM
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2014 Isla Vista Shooting 2015 Umpqua Community College shooting 2018 Tallahassee shooting 2019 Dallas shooting 2021 Denver shooting 2021 Atlanta shooting 2023 Allen shooting Oh and we can add the 2026 Montreal shooting to that too. The world's richest red pill man is even more rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:15 PM
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I don't think I've ever heard red pillers propose any mental health treatment. They just moan about men's mental health and then tell men not to go to therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:14 PM
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Please give me the red pill mental health treatment plan then.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:13 PM
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Except it's not a few sample sizes. It's millions (billions?) or women. Do red pillers just lack common sense or what
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:12 PM
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It's pretty clearly saying one way is right and one way is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 07:12 AM
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That's just splitting hairs. There's no way you can see the reaction to supposed "simp beta cucks" and claim there is no moral judgment.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 07:09 AM
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How is that not moralizing?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 06:41 AM
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That's total nonsense. Red pillers et al clearly consider it a bad thing to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 06:40 AM
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Actually what I said was: Boys and men harass, insult, use slurs, assault, and even murder boys/men who don't conform to traditional masculinity. Try to address the argument I actually made and not the one you wish I made.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 06:36 AM
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No, that definitely ignores the context and connotation of those words. It is not simply that a "simp" is pursuing an unsuccessful strategy, otherwise there'd be no need to call him a beta cuck as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 06:28 AM
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Why is calling a man "misogynistic" for failing to date unacceptable moralizing, but calling him a "beta simp cuck" isnt? Because one of these is definitely red pill coded, yet I never see it brought up in discussion of how unfairly unsuccessful men are supposedly treated.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 06:20 AM
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This is the same bullshit I heard during the election when Harris supposedly "excluded" men from her website, until I pointed out that her website included men in several categories, such as LGBTQ, people of color, worker's rights, students, and healthcare. Then the goalpost shifted that she didn't have a category just labeled men and I pointed out neither did Trump and I got told "this is why Trump won" and blocked. The left never discarded men. You were just looking for an excuse to vote right…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 06:11 AM
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I was very familiar with Charlie Kirk before he died.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 06:10 AM
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Women being attracted to a small percentage of men != Women being attracted to the same small percentage of men
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 04:10 AM
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100% agree. Fear, uncertainty, doubt, and anger grab you immediately. Nuanced reasoning about your preconceived notions of the world so not.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:41 AM
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Therapy is an actual recognized mental health treatment. Looksmaxxing is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:39 AM
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This is the same bullshit I heard during the election when Harris supposedly "excluded" men from her website, until I pointed out that her website included men in several categories, such as LGBTQ, people of color, worker's rights, students, and healthcare. Then the goalpost shifted that she didn't have a category just labeled men and I pointed out neither did Trump and I got told "this is why Trump won" and blocked. AOC unironically uses short man energy And this is exactly the double standard …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:37 AM
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This is just red pill confirmation bias. They ignore the assholes who aren't successful, just like they ignore the short guys who are. And let's be clear, nobody ever told them "all you have to do is be nice and be yourself." They heard "be yourself" (which means don't try to be someone you aren't) and decided that was all they needed. I get told at least once a week that I give such advice despite the fact I have never once said it. These guys are hearing what they want to hear. The right may l…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:31 AM
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You said "severe" behavioral problems. Not every child who insults another child has a severe behavioral problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:21 AM
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I've rarely heard men blame billionaires for not being rich. I've frequently heard men blame billionaires for buying politicians who favor the wealthy and corporations over average people.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:20 AM
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I think that is still confirmation bias, though. Why is "you're misogynistic" intolerable moralizing but "you're a simp beta cuck" isn't? The only time I've heard people point out lack of effort is when they literally haven't tried anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:19 AM
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Ok, and what about the boys who don't have severe behavioral problems and do these things?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:32 AM
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Grifting?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:31 AM
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Are you basing an entire movement off one person? Does that mean I can do the same with the multiple mass shooters red pill has produced?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:07 AM
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Lazy comments will claim that progressives blame men, but a quick look at the people who could even possibly be considered progressive idealogues like Bernie, AOC, and Jon Stewart, and you really have to herniate yourself to make it seem like they're blaming men, which is why they overwhelmingly rely on random Tiktoks and tweets to back up their claims, just like conservatives rely on isolated immigrant crime or a single trans swimmer winning one college event to blame. I addressed that in the O…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:05 AM
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but they’re more likely to admit the blame isn’t solely on you. I agree with you, they overwhelmingly blame women, but this illustrates the problem with cognitive dissonance. Men claim they like red pill because it's "tough love" and tells men to take responsibility for themselves with "actionable" advice, but at the same time criticize progressives because it tells men their dating issues are their dating issues. You can't win. and most normal people aren’t always upfront that dating advice doe…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:02 AM
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sky high rates of singlehood, declining job prospects, dating app discrepancies, hypergamy, 80/20 Progressives have repeatedly addressed declining job prospects, the rest are not really political issues and some of them aren't even real (80/20 first and foremost). That's because those lies don't work in a progressive framework. is to point at the most successful men on earth and say "do these guys actually look happy to you?" Do red pillers look like the most successful men on earth to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:57 PM
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I think most normal people are very transparent that there is no advice that guarantees success. This is a very specific red pill claim and you can see the expectation from men who refute "blue pill" advice; it doesn't guarantee success so therefore it's worthless. And if you think any manosphere influencer is "unideological," that is pure delusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:47 PM
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You didn't provide a single example.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:24 PM
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Yes, I am going to argue against the words you used. If you have a problem with that, you may be on the wrong sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:23 PM
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I wasn't saying those were manosphere influencers, I was just illustrating a comparable gap in political media personalities.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:22 PM
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I wouldn't say progressives/blue pillers are impervious to grifters, it's just that it's hard to get people to empty their pockets when you blame billionaires and systemic dysfunction. It's just not as lucrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 10:46 PM
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Yep, I got the right one. https://preview.redd.it/psd4gu7p23ch1.png?width=1068&format=png&auto=webp&s=4cc302efabbb88026e4225781ec3065596a056b7
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 10:38 PM
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I didn't say Trump was the sole example, I actually made it quite clear that non traditional values are quite common in Republicans..Trump is simply the most prominent. And the Catholic Church's track record on child rape is 100% an argument when they try to place themselves as a moral authority.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 10:27 PM
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Ok, and what about the boys from perfectly nice homes that do these things?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 10:22 PM
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But this is again mixing "what they say" with "what they do." Conservatives can talk about being the party of traditional family values all they want, we know they fuck just like everyone else. They literally elected a president who paid a porn star for sex while his wife was recovering from child birth.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 10:04 PM
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Sorry, you don't get to ignore my question and then ask me to answer yours. I asked for some examples.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 09:25 PM
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Oh are we basing how all men feel based on how anything has happened at any time in any place?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 08:26 PM
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So you don't have any examples, got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 07:57 PM
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Sure, I'm asking for examples.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 07:18 PM
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Where are women murdering men for not being masculine enough I was pretty specific based on the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 07:10 PM
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Really? Where? Where are women murdering men for not being masculine enough, for instance?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 07:05 PM
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Ok. What's the question?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 05:44 PM
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I've read this three times and it sounds like you're arguing with three different people and pretending they're the same one? Slut shaming is in fact a reason some women don't do hook ups. There are other reasons as well. Some women do hook up despite these concerns. Women are not a monolith. I have no idea what you're talking about with the boyfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 05:34 PM
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No, I'm pushing back against this nonsense where "technically I didn't say the exact words that women should have to do anything so it doesn't count" I hear all day about how delusional and out of control women's standards are. See, when I say someone is acting delusional and out of control, I'm saying they should stop. That's really how most people operate.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 04:34 PM
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So they just want to blame women and nothing to change? Like I can clearly outline what I want men to do differently. Why can't you do the same for women when they bear so much blame?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 02:38 PM
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That's not the question I asked. What is it that men here actually want from women in terms of supposedly enforcing traditional masculinity? Because they don't seem terribly concerned with the verbal, emotional, and physical abuse they receive from other men for not conforming to traditional masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 02:29 PM
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Women need to acknowledge that men are sad that some women aren't attracted to them which enforces traditional masculinity?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 02:25 PM
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Is that not what's being said? The claim is traditional masculinity is bad for men and women are responsible for enforcing traditional masculinity and should change, right? How is that not what's being said?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 02:17 PM
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No, I don't think there's any meaningful conversation to be had about dictating to women who they're allowed to be attracted to, not to mention the extent to which it occurs is hugely exaggerated and, finally, the refusal to distinguish between masculine and traditionally masculine.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:30 PM
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There is absolutely femdom erotica.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:11 PM
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however, that standard of masculinity is also thorughly enforced by women through sexual selection. This is not taking accountability. This is placing blame on women. Traditional masculinity is overwhelmingly enforced by men. Like it's not even close.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:10 PM
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It doesn't exclusively focus on the traditional option. There are so many bizarre variations like shape shifters, dragon riders, werewolves, ghosts, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 12:11 PM
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Boys and men harass, insult, use slurs, assault, and even murder boys/men who don't conform to traditional masculinity. Women just don't date them (this is a lie, but we can roll with it). And you think women take the share of blame here? Why can't men take accountability?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 12:08 PM
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It's funny because for awhile red pillers were screaming that women were going en masse to places like Jamaica to sexually exploit male escorts, but now it's never happened in history.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:46 PM
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If they want to remain single rather than compromise their standards, more power to them. Then quit demonizing women for complaining about the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:27 PM
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Ugly, short, poor men still get dates. Even today. Expressing reality is not gaslighting. Hope this helps.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 11:54 AM
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IQ and social skills do not correlate. The fact that you have to resort to disabled level IQs to make that argument proves that. You're also doing exactly what every single red piller does and believing that only quantity measures success. People with college degrees are more likely to be married and have a stable relationship. Your second link is about high schoolers and it goes on to describe that as a positive thing; it literally says lower IQs are a "risk factor." It never occurred to you th…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 11:53 AM
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No, I'm simply asserting the existence of the number line.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:18 AM
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I hear day in and day out how there men are average men. It can't go both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 12:26 AM
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I think this sub thoroughly debunks the "men complain less" belief.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 11:36 PM
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Charisma is arguably the most powerful and influential trait someone can have. Good looks can get someone to sleep with you. Charisma can get a whole country to go to war for you. There is no cheat code that will allow you to get any woman on demand, even being hot. But charisma can absolutely pull partners who are way out of your league. Most guys with a sufficiently large friend group know at least one guy who is able to punch way above his weight class. Also I cannot possibly imagine being in…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 10:37 PM
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I didn't say a peer reviewed source. I just said I'm not taking your word for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 08:26 PM
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I don’t need numbers here Actually you do. "Trust me bro" is not a valid source.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 08:05 PM
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That's literally what dudes here are saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 07:51 PM
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Women make those arguments all the time when they talk about how dating is hard for women. And red pillers et al love to demonize them for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 07:51 PM
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No, just evidence to back up your claim. But no worries, we both know you just made it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 07:40 PM
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Sure, let's see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 07:35 PM
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Great, then the same logic applies to women when red pillers bitch about how easy it is to get matches.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 07:34 PM
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Lol classic based on what?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 07:18 PM
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The problem with this is, when men do the same and say things like "I'm actually attracted to women who don't wear makeup", women feel the need to tell men what they actually like No, it's almost always pointing out that men are typically clueless when it comes to identifying whether women are wearing makeup or not. Men frequently point out "naturally" beautiful women to show they don't like makeup, completely oblivious that those women are wearing makeup.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 07:17 PM
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You have no numbers to back that up.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 07:12 PM
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Nope, they don't. I'm happy to accept that men with lots of likes don't have that many options just as I'm happy to accept that women with lots of likes don't have that many options. Are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 07:11 PM
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I do and I have already linked it in this thread. And I can link it again if you ask nicely because you've been rather rude for no reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 10:59 AM
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Sure, if you want to see them and are too lazy to find the link I've posted multiple times, you can ask me nicely since you're being rather rude for no reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 02:15 AM
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I don't think you read my post. This is not a man who had success. He in fact said "there's no point" and men in that thread and this one agreed, even though he had 70 women interested in him.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 12:59 AM
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I mean, if you want to argue he made it up, then that just reinforces my argument anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 12:56 AM
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post stats that you can get from Bumble
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 12:52 AM
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I didn't say they had 69 wives, I said they have options.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 12:51 AM
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Yes, you're making the same arguments women make when they refute that women have it so easy. If you accept those same arguments from women, great! If you don't, then you've got a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 12:51 AM
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Yes, this is very clearly red pill and I'm not going to be pulled into a tedious debate about what "real" red pill is when red pillers are in here day in, day out saying this shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 12:11 AM
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*Bumble
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 12:10 AM
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Except the narrative is that Chads are already pumping and dumping the hottest women. Why would they pass up these top women for "land whales" who are so "disgusting" that men who have never even kissed a woman don't want them?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 12:09 AM
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It's a common feature of conspiracy theory. Obvious contradictions and cognitive dissonance are always integrated into conspiracy theories. Remember, these men who cry about how they need sex and are so lonely and have no hope will go on long winded rants about how disgusting they find "land whales", yet also claim that Chads who can fuck gorgeous women day in and day out also bang these disgusting land whales too, so these women have inflated egos. It's clown logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 09:21 PM
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So like every other red pill term, it's so broad that it's just used to mean whatever you want it to mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 09:16 PM
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You should think about the fact that saying "the rate at which you match with women isn't not a measure of success" enrages you. You won't, but you should.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 06:21 PM
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You're once again doing exactly what I said, where you act like the match rate is the only metric of success.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 06:16 PM
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70 women is not "extremely slim."
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 06:11 PM
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The options are either he did actually email bumble and those are his stats Or He made up stats to be a sad sack where he still has 70 women interested in him. You can pick either one. They both prove my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 06:10 PM
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You're once again doing exactly what I said, where you act like the match rate is the only metric of success.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 06:08 PM
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TIL believing women and men is being a "white knight."
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 06:01 PM
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I mean you can actually email bumble for your stats. If you want to argue he made them up, then that's even stronger for what I'm saying. That means in his fantasy "men have no hope" scenario, he still gets 70 likes from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 06:00 PM
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Sure. https://np.reddit.com/r/Bumble/s/m5GAnK15Lt This guy who declares there's no point because he's 5'7" and Asian and only a 1% like rate from women. 70 likes from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 06:00 PM
1

Except women say that's not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 05:12 PM
1

They do. That's literally the entire point.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 05:08 PM
2

I mean if you want to argue he made it up, then that really only proves my point further.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 05:06 PM
2

And why are those valid excuses for men but not women?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 05:00 PM
2

It's not an anecdote. It's from Bumble, which is why it can actually be trusted. And you're doing exactly what I said, believing the only metric of success is match rate, even when you have dozens or hundreds of women interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 04:56 PM
1

Did you read the link and the OP?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 04:50 PM
1

These are the same things that women say when men are screaming about how easy women have it, and women are constantly demonized for saying these things.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 04:49 PM
2

this is an established truth That you can't provide any evidence for 🤣😂
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 04:27 PM
1

Oh now it's only hundreds of times. We keep inching closer to reality!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 04:25 PM
2

Aww how sad that the best you can do is accuse people of dating fat women 🤣😂
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 04:23 PM
1

Prove what?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 01:18 PM
1

No, it's from Bumble.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 01:10 PM
2

No source, just vibes. Oh, honey.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 12:51 PM
2

Yep, very sure :) Good to see that red pill homophobia again though!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 12:49 PM
1

99% of men dont get matches Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 12:43 PM
1

They're still options.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 12:43 PM
2

But you don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 12:41 PM
2

Yes, I already addressed the goalpost moving in the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 12:41 PM
1

It actually does mean shit, it means it's an option.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 12:39 PM
1

TIL pointing out that red pill bullshit is "disgusting and hate[ful]"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 12:34 PM
2

Oh, honey. Did you really think you were gonna rattle me by insinuating my wife is fat and old? 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 12:28 PM
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Any man who is seriously considering a long term relationship with a woman in all seriousness is most definitely going to be very concerned about any potential wifey's body count Nah. Past your early 20s, pretty much everyone stops caring because you realize it doesn't mean shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 06:42 AM
2

The odds of winning the lottery are 1 in 300 million. It's not anything like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 06:06 AM
1

The metrics are showing the opposite. That's the point of the thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 05:09 AM
2

Well no, you didn't give two examples of thresholds, you just said they were different. I didn't ask you 20 tedious questions, I asked you one very simple question that you are struggling mightily to answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 03:00 AM
2

Sure, you can give me all those numbers and your justification for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 01:57 AM
-5

I did post a link elsewhere in the thread. If you'd like me link you to it directly rather than tracking it down yourself, you can ask nicely.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 01:54 AM
3

Oh how many likes does someone have to have before they're not allowed to complain anymore? What's your justification for this threshold?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 01:34 AM
2

Oh boy. You really missed the point huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 01:24 AM
2

That women are constantly demonized for ever complaining about dating because they have "options" even when they're options they aren't attracted to. Turns out men have options too.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 01:07 AM
2

Anyone can fuck a short guy. Not everyone WANTS to fuck a short guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 12:55 AM
2

And the excuses continue. Y'all act like if it's not a model walking into your house and shoving her tits in your face, it doesn't count.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 12:18 AM
3

These are the same argument women use when they get demonized for having "options", and are roundly ridiculed for it. Why is it ok now?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 12:07 AM
2

That's just moving the goalposts for what success is. would you really correct them when they said they had no options? No. I would agree they don't have the options they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 11:23 PM
2

Not really But, one again, we see how deluded men are here that they think getting a girlfriend is winning the lottery.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 11:17 PM
3

69 women is still quite a few options.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 11:16 PM
1

Nah, here's the thing. Red pill incessantly claims they have mountains of data to back up their beliefs, and then it never materializes. It's not my job to track it down.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 11:15 PM
3

You have no numbers of the quantity of bots these guys have.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 11:14 PM
0

I'm aware of what he meant. I'm saying sub 1% is not possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 11:12 PM
1

70 seems like quite a few to me. How about "men don't have the options they want?"
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 10:26 PM
0

Yeah, that's also how you can tell it's bullshit because 1% of 70 is 0.7 people. So how the hell can he have a "sub 1%" response rate?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:56 PM
1

Because that's how data collection works?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:49 PM
1

Nope, not what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:44 PM
-7

That depends on the circumstances. What scenario are we talking about here?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:39 PM
1

Sure, and as soon as he posts those screenshots, we can discuss it further.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:37 PM
0

You have no numbers on these.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:33 PM
3

No, my argument relies on numbers. 0 != 2
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:21 PM
3

That's self reported from the same guy claiming only having 70 women to choose from is "no point." He said two comments earlier he deleted his profile, but he knows his exact reply rate?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:21 PM
2

Nah, it's not my job to prove red pill claims.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:18 PM
3

I have no idea what their order in line has to do with that though.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:17 PM
2

Ok, you still don't have numbers on those.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:15 PM
3

It isn't. This is not even up for dispute. But it is so telling that men on this sub are trying to argue that 2 equals 0.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:13 PM
3

Ok, what if?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:12 PM
2

He does not give any numbers on how many were bots.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:11 PM
1

1 or 2% is objectively zero It is objectively, mathematically, numerically not.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:05 PM
3

That's because the goal is to find the right person, not just any person. But so many guys on Reddit think success only counts if you are universally attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:04 PM
0

And as soon as you have numbers on those, we can have that discussion. But I'm not going to debate these hypotheticals that are not only treated as irrefutable, but always seem to support the prevailing red pill narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:00 PM
1

What nuance is missing? Is this not what men on this sub say almost every day? There's even dudes in the threads showing men have options claiming men have no options.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:56 PM
0

I've literally created multiple threads asking for this dating app data dudes on Reddit claim to exist and have never once produced.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:47 PM
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It is a larger sample size of data than anything red pill has provided. If you want to dismiss it, fine, but that means you have to dismiss pretty much every single red pill claim and other associated "men griping on Reddit about how dating is impossible" complaint.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:31 PM
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You'd think they'd be happy to finally have evidence that dating isn't impossible for average or even below average men, that even those men can find women who are at least interested. But they aren't. They're mad that this exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:09 PM
2

What thread? I have dozens of replies to go through, sometimes I miss things.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:06 PM
2

But these aren't whales. According to the men on Reddit, these are prime examples of how cooked men are in dating today. And they have dozens or hundreds of women who are interested in them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:06 PM
2

Sorry, you don't get to ignore my question and ask me to answer yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:39 PM
1

That logic applies to any number of likes.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:38 PM
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No, I don't have my bumble account any more, so I don't have hard numbers. But I did a number of dating apps for awhile without much success, like maybe one or two dates over the course of a year and change. But I kept tweaking and editing my profile and pictures until I found a combo that worked, and my matches exploded.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:38 PM
0

low like counts Nope. All or nothing. Options are still options even if you wish you had more.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:36 PM
3

This is literally what women say about their dating experience and yet are relentlessly demonized for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:35 PM
3

I met my wife on Bumble :)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:34 PM
2

Then maybe "match rate" is a stupid metric of success.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:33 PM
2

I mean, 70 women is quite a few women. But the rhetoric has always been "men have no options" not "men don't have as many options as they would like." If that's what you're going for...well yeah, everyone would like more and better options.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:32 PM
3

Then that logic applies to women too. If you do, great!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:26 PM
3

But you're already moving the goalposts. I didn't say anything about successful relationships, I said "options." If we're saying only successful relationships count, then women are in the same boat in terms of not having any options.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:25 PM
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You still have options. 10 women counts as options. Shit, this dude is only 5'7" and Asian (which according to him is a dating death sentence) and a like rate even lower than yours, and he has 70 likes. https://np.reddit.com/r/Bumble/s/m5GAnK15Lt
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:24 PM
2

An option is an option if you think you are entitled to more.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:22 PM
-2

That's all red pill is based on. Why is it valid for them but not for me?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:21 PM
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Sure. https://np.reddit.com/r/Bumble/s/m5GAnK15Lt This guy who declares there's no point because he's 5'7" and Asian and only a 1% like rate from women. 70 likes from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:20 PM
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No, not really. Believe it or not, women generally don't sit around endlessly seething about men. Red pillers on the other hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:32 PM
-2

And as soon as you have numbers on those, we can have that discussion. But your conjecture does not refute my evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:30 PM
2

Useless fat asses are not options for the same reason gay men and inanimate objects like watermelons are not options. How is this different from women not wanting to date all their "options" then?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:30 PM
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I’d like to believe that but tbh mate, it doesn’t sound super convincing I mean it's already more evidence than red pill has ever provided. And yet these men are bemoaning how they have no options while literally showing evidence they have options, using the same exact rhetoric men on this sub use.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:29 PM
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Nope, but I also haven't constructed an ideology dedicated to demonizing and attacking women who dare to point out that dating is difficult for women too. You don't get it both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:28 PM
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If that’s what you mean by options, 1-2% of women Yes. Options are options even if you think you are entitled to more. We haven’t even made it past the initial text, first date, second date, relationship. Just because those 1-2% of women swiped right, doesn’t mean it will materialize into anything. And would you look at that, you're making the same arguments that women make when they refute the red pill belief that dating is so easy for women. Word for word.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:27 PM
0

It is exactly what women do and men online can't stop bitching about it. All the mental gymnastics in the world won't change that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:23 PM
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Lol red pill relies exclusively on what men claim online. There is no research or evidence to back it up. These men are parroting the same red pill bullshit on posts that literally prove it wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:22 PM
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I consider dozens and hundreds of women to be options. Once you filter through the bots, the ones trying to get more Insta followers And once you provide any statistics on those we can have that discussion. I'm not accepting vibe numbers of how 90% of these likes must be somehow fake just because it's inconvenient to the red pill narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:21 PM
-2

It's on the Bumble subreddit, they post the screenshots of their swipe right/left numbers. There is no reputable research that supports red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:11 PM
2

Thank you for proving my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:09 PM
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Where is your source on this The bumble subreddit. Are we controlling for useless fat asses Why aren't these options?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:08 PM
2

They're literally complaining they have no options while providing proof they have options.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:07 PM
2

Ok, let's see your data.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 04:21 PM
0

It's not coherent. It's actually highly irrational and contradictory, as most conspiracy theories are. But, like most conspiracy theories, it's self-sealing, and every problem is answered by blaming women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 04:20 PM
2

And there's no point debating with someone who can't even answer simple questions about their own argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 04:18 PM
3

Based on what?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 04:17 PM
2

Sorry, that doesn't answer my question. Why would I believe a man's belief about day to day life as a woman over a woman's actual experience of day to day life as a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 04:17 PM
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No response, got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 02:51 PM
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"Women are just liars bro" isn't really a compelling argument. You haven't explained why I should believe OP over actual women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 02:14 PM
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Simply declaring something to be "practical facts" doesn't make it true and also doesn't answer my question.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 01:59 PM
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I didn't get personal. I asked a simple question. It's very interesting you find people challenging your viewpoint as "getting personal" though.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 01:58 PM
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So rather than listen to women about what life as a woman is like, you created an alternate reality and asserted it as true. Why should I believe your version of what it's like to be a woman over what actual women say?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 01:55 PM
0

Can we see this link?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:52 PM
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It's pretty basic. The "job" is getting a girlfriend. The "interview" is the dating process. The "racist remarks" are all the shit that red pillers et al do that turns women off but they say doesn't matter. Not being racist in a job interview (misogynistic in dating) will not guarantee you a job (date), but being racist will make it so much harder, and pointing to racist people who did get jobs really just makes it sound like you want an excuse to be racist (misogynistic).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:49 PM
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. I do remain curious on why you think that RP was able to package these generic advices into an appealing thing for people who struggle in dating Because it blames women with a pseudo intellectual veneer.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:46 PM
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And "go to the gym because physical fitness will make you more attractive" isn't sufficient because? Like why do they need to be told about 80/20 hypergamous alpha widow cock carousel women who won't look at them until she hits the wall and then beta bucks him to raise Chad's baby in order for "go to the gym and act confident" to make sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:44 PM
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The whole chads are hogging all their women, fucking 3s and making all these women 3’s only want Chad is such a bullshit incel narrative This might be my favorite part of cognitive dissonance among red pillers. They believe Chad is out fucking all these unattractive women yet will readily tell you themselves how disgusting they find these same women, while also complaining how they have no options. It's total lunacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:40 PM
0

The three pieces of advice OP listed are the most general advice possible. Like they're the first things someone will tell you if you ask for dating advice. So clearly the advice is not what attracts people to red pill. However, the misogynistic conspiracy theories that blame all their dating woes on women are not only incredibly popular, but they're completely unique to red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:33 PM
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You actually haven't identified any misandry on my part. You're just using it as a deflection to avoid responding to what I said. I simply said you are a big part of the reason nobody takes men's issues seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:24 AM
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I did look deeper into by looking at the fucking url
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 04:46 AM
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I didn't say it was, I said you are part of the reason nobody takes men's issues seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 04:46 AM
–

Thank you for continuing to demonstrate exactly why no one takes men's rights seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 04:44 AM
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This is also not a legitimate news site. It literally ends in .news
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 04:43 AM
-3

Why do you need a "model" to go to the gym and work on yourself?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 07:39 PM
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improve your fitness, go to gym improve your social skills be more confident and take more initiative This among the most generic advice you can give and, with the exception of "go to the gym," red pillers endlessly whine how useless and non-actionable this advice is. I will acknowledge that some of the appeal is red pill promises to improve your dating, but the real draw is that when that promise fails, it blames women. The "advice" might draw them in, but the misogyny is what keeps them there.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 07:34 PM
0

and then your friend goes in, makes a very racist remark, and still gets hired Yep, there are racist bosses that would absolutely respond to that. Does that mean it's worthless advice? Is that even a job you want? And if someone spent all their time telling you it doesn't matter if you make racist remarks in an interview because it's worked for other people, when do you finally acknowledge that they just want to make racist remarks? you go in, do everything right in an interview, and you still d…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 02:54 PM
0

Not really, no. Funnily enough, though, that's how Gamergate got started.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 01:42 PM
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Oh, did you think that was the only part of red pill that was made up bullshit? Allow me to enlighten you further. MYTH: Women only want the top 20% of men! TRUTH: Debunked by the OKCupid survey that, ironically, is where the 80/20 rule came from. The survey found 80% of messages were sent to men who were "average" or lower, while 66% of messages from men were to the top 1/3 of women. Basically the exact opposite of what red pill claims. MYTH: Women only swipe right x% of the time, that proves t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 01:37 PM
0

Why do guys here think you can never combine advice? Yes, you can continue to improve yourself AND try to meet women in real life. Attracting women on apps is a completely different skill set than approaching women in real life. I suck at approaching women in real life but I did pretty well on apps. My buddy, on the other hand, got like one date from an app but could clean up meeting women at bars, parties, etc. If apps aren't working for you, trying something different.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 12:25 PM
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women hate the red pill theory Not just women. Rational, clear thinking men hate it too. do not engage in good faith with dating issues. No, this is bullshit. It is not good faith to demand that women defend men's indiscriminate swiping while simultaneously demonozing them for being selective. Red pill is a conspiracy theory that exists to shit on women because many men just assumed they would get a girlfriend by virtue of existing and not being overtly abusive, and they need retroactively justi…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 12:17 PM
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Because we want to be fucking accepted member of society? Then act like it. We want to feel useful and loved be useful and loved by women Being an accepted member of society != "I get a girlfriend" It is literally the primary transaction in And that's why men here don't have girlfriends. the hunter gatherer model Men provide women resources and protection, women provide men sex The red pill view of history is so comically warped. If "men provided the resources" then who did the gathering? Oh, ri…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:56 AM
0

I mean we can play "what if' games all day. The fact is most of the men whining about women not registering for the draft live under the largest and most technologically advanced military alliance staffed entirely by volunteers.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 01:17 AM
2

And what are considered "negative traits" by the people using this phrase is so broad and nebulous as to be meaningless.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 06:58 PM
2

Then saying "women like bad boys" is still meaningless because it changes depending on who is using the word.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 06:36 PM
2

Much like virtually every phrase red pillers co opt, "bad boy" has become so broad as to be meaningless. It's easy to point out that, no, most women do not prefer abusive cheaters, but then "bad boy" is expanded to mean literally anything that isn't the person using the word.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 04:23 PM
0

None of those would even be in my top 5 (perfect knowledge, flight, telekinesis, teleportation, animal morphing). attracting a woman usually requires effort. Of course, just like a woman attracting a man requires effort. I'm not really following the point of your post. That men don't get to sleep with every woman they want to? Ok, and?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 11:25 AM
1

100% agreed
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 01:43 AM
1

I'm saying red pillers continually make political beliefs and positions part of their ideology. Whether it's formally noted somewhere or not is irrelevant, the red pillers themselves have made it so.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 01:27 AM
0

Whether a specific progressive view is a core belief of feminism doesn't change that feminism is highly overlapped with progressive politics. The same applies to red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 01:13 AM
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that's great! Feminists do as well, you should ally with them. But red pill men overwhelmingly do not share your view.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:50 AM
2

I think many feminists would disagree with you. Women's access to healthcare is absolutely a core tenet of feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:44 AM
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But they're not against having to register and in fact mock feminists for wanting to abolish the draft altogether. They're mad that women don't have to register. But they don't actually want it solved because that would also put them in line with progressive politicians. So instead, they invent the problem, block the solution, and blame everyone else. What is more conservative than that?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:40 AM
0

I have no idea how you could not consider feminism to be a progressive political ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:34 AM
2

You can believe what you want about what its core ideology is, the simple fact is that red pillers overwhelmingly incorporate politics into their ideology, whether it's formally written down or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:14 AM
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People in a community can discuss politics without the community's central framework being political. I didn't say the central framework is political, but politics is clearly part of the ideology. Stuff can be more than one thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:02 AM
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Good thing OP didn't say that. Red Pill ideology-and the broader conservative politics that increasingly overlap with it RP isn't a political ideology So when red pillers bitch incessantly on this sub about how only men have to register for the draft, that's because they want to get better with women?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 11:04 PM
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I have literally never heard anyone discuss this app before this moment.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 04:14 AM
8

There ya go. Why are you saying women wouldn't tolerate it?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 04:08 AM
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Women can't stop a male version. There's no male version because most men don't care about red pill shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 04:06 AM
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Nah, I'm not watching some half hour YouTube video. Just link the data.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 03:59 AM
1

I did see it. It clearly does not say "The UK trial refutes the US trial" or anything that could reasonably be construed as that. The UK trial clearly says Depp is an abuser and validated her claims, something you've tried 5 or 6 different ways to ignore.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:19 PM
1

first it was the UK trial refutes the US trial I never said this.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:13 PM
2

You're saying that the UK trial exonerates Amber as a false accuser. I said the UK trial proves Depp is abuser.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 09:24 PM
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They're different cases Yes, I'm aware. So why are you acting like one refutes the other?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 08:37 PM
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How could Depp sue Heard in the US over statements made in the UK? You're on like your fifth different explanation as to why the UK trial shouldn't count.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 07:48 PM
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The outcome of the trial wasn't that Johnny was an abuser It explicitly was. This is unambiguously stated in the ruling.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 06:51 PM
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You keep trying to come up with new hoops as to why the UK trial doesn't count and the US trial does because you don't have an actual explanation why the UK trial doesn't count.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 06:31 PM
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I'm good with just shaming them. Plus, if even 1 in 100 of the men who evangelize passport broism actually do it, I would be stunned.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 05:57 PM
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You did make it clear. You had no clue what the ruling said while you were confidently telling me the UK trial didn't actually say Depp abused her (it explicitly did). You keep trying to come up with new hoops as to why the UK trial doesn't count and the US trial does because you don't have an actual explanation why the UK trial doesn't count.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 05:35 PM
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I wasn't disputing the US ruling, you were disputing the UK ruling, and now you've made it clear you don't even know what the ruling said right after lecturing me on the evidentiary standards and what exactly the case was about. Moving the goalposts again doesn't bolster your argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 05:25 PM
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because women are politically inert and just sort of support existing systems as they are, You literally just described conservatism.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 04:46 PM
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Do you not know the details of the case? You just smugly condescended to me for not being fully versed in the case, and yet you are completely ignorant as to what the actual ruling said?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 04:42 PM
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I mean you clearly didn't know the details either since you were completely unaware of what the judge said. I'm not sure why your ignorance supersedes the actual judge's knowledge.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 04:40 PM
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You will have to review the case files.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 04:11 PM
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The UK trial explicitly found the accusations of abuse to be substantially true. Anything else?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 04:04 PM
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Many men online treat dating like it's a video game. "Do these steps and you complete the quest" and "here are my character stats, I should be able to get this level difficulty woman."
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 03:55 PM
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Men online already have a serious problem with treating dating like a video game, I don't see how trying to gamify it even further will be beneficial. If someone isn't holding a conversation with you, then unmatch.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 03:52 PM
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I'm saying women are swiping left on attractive men with shit personalities.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 03:49 PM
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I've been accused of being both and yet I'm not lying down to be fucked over by women, becoming their slaves, etc. Calling men simps and white knights is a very red pill behavior and red pill unfortunately has the astounding arrogance to believe their viewpoint represents all men, so any man who disagrees must be betraying their gender and attacking men as a whole. This is, of course, bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 02:56 PM
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That's the exact opposite of what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 01:35 PM
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Incel/red pill is an ideology. You're trying to pretend like people brand any person who is struggling with dating, which is clearly a lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 01:14 PM
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The mental gymnastics here are unreal. Like you legitimately can't admit he abused her too. You're doing exactly what you're bitching about "bad" feminists doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 01:07 PM
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I like how I presented three different arguments, you failed to refute any of them and declared yourself the winner.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 01:04 PM
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No, I'm not. Both Depp and Heard had civil trials. The standard of evidence is the same in both. You want to pretend like it's different because it's inconvenient to your narrative. Facts don't work like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 01:03 PM
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A) Even when controlling for education, job title, experience, hours worked, etc, there is still a wage gap. Maybe my reading comprehension isn't the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:57 PM
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Lie. The claimant [Depp] has not succeeded in his action for libel … The defendants [the Sun and News Group Newspapers] have shown that what they published in the meaning which I have held the words to bear was substantially true. The judge added: “I have found that the great majority of alleged assaults of Ms Heard by Mr Depp have been proved to the civil standard Glad to see misogyny is alive and well.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:55 PM
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The "preponderance of evidence" standard is in both the US and UK civil trials.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:53 PM
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I didn't, those were your words.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:48 PM
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🤷‍♂️ Facts don't care about your feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:48 PM
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That's not what a strawman is.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:47 PM
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It's exactly what you said.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:46 PM
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No, sorry, you don't get rewrite history.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:46 PM
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I've actually always thought red pillers would be happy in religious communities with all those low/no body count trad wives. The only thing they have to do is fake religion, which, considering how often they advocate faking entire personalities, seems much easier. It has everything they want, but they'll never actually do it because the goal is bitch about women and feminists, not actually solve any problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:45 PM
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Oh shit a woman makes more money than men therefore the entire wage gap is a lie? Crazy!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:33 PM
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They both lost their abuse trials, my guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:32 PM
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And they often mean "additional punishment," like when they talk about abused women not taking "accountability." Apparently the abuse wasn't punishment enough for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:20 PM
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Refusal of support and association.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:18 PM
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They don't want jobs that are risky, negatively impacting work life balance 40% of doctors are women, and everyone knows what a low stress, low hour job that is oh wait
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:16 PM
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through different career parts due to different choices regarding sphere of work and maternity. A) Even when controlling for education, job title, experience, hours worked, etc, there is still a wage gap. B) the fact that women are penalized for having children while men are not is, in fact, sexism. C) I like how these discussions always pretend "well yeah women just mysteriously don't want all these lucrative high paying jobs in male dominated fields I guess there's no possible reason for it"
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:12 PM
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But it wasn't a false accusation. They had a trial for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:10 PM
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The UK trial where all they had to prove was "more probable than not" Yes, that is the standard for civil trials.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:03 PM
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When they're ostracized for trying to burn society down.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:53 AM
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Except she wasn't a false accuser. They had another trial for that, remember?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:50 AM
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The wage gap is well documented, and if the starkest example of being "anti misandry" is supporting Johnny Depp...alright then.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:41 AM
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And you don't get your foot in the door if you don't pass the personality threshold.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:35 AM
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Society didn't already reject them. Not getting a girlfriend after swiping on an app isn't society rejecting them. This is how deluded these men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:33 AM
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That is utter garbage easily debunked by red pillers posting here every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:01 AM
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This absolutely red pill. Women with machiavellian schemes to put down "average" men whom they have no sympathy for? That's red pill "everything behaves according to strict evolution" brainrot.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 11:47 PM
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I'm not avoiding anything. I'm explicitly saying your "point" is invalid. let’s say he can’t get anything no matter what he’s tried I would suggest reflecting on what he's actually tried and what he hasn't, and why what he has tried has failed. That seems much easier than moving across the planet. He shouldn’t go to an environment where he is much more desired? He certainly can, and I can certainly have an opinion on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 11:25 PM
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I've seen shorter, fatter, uglier, poorer men get girlfriends, sex, and marriage. Why would I assume either way?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 11:14 PM
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desirable women That's an incredibly loaded phrase. Desirable by what standards? Let’s say we’re talking about a true incel who can’t attract any woman, outside of homeless crazy* ones. Then he should reflect on exactly why that is. If he lands on red pill bullshit about how women only want top 20% men and personality doesn't matter and he has no hope because he's 5'6", then that's exactly why he's a passport bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:52 PM
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He can date in his own city, state, and country?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:35 PM
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He can do whatever he wants and people are allowed to have an opinion on it. In my experience, passport bros very quickly identify why they are passport bros.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:31 PM
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I didn't say it didn't happen more than the reverse, I said it's uncommon.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:22 PM
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I didn't say it never happened, I said it isn't common.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:14 PM
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When they grew up they saw women dating older men and were frustrated by it, so not it is "their turn" Except it's not really that common. The vast majority of people date within a few years of their age.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 09:56 PM
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I think the worst part of the claim that “smooth, flawless skin without wrinkles is pedophilia” Is this another "I saw someone on Tiktok say this and now I'm going to act like it represents a mainstream opinion?"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 09:53 PM
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The part where you tried to rank them. It's ridiculous. Which one matters more depends on so many factors that it would be nonsense to definitively say one matters more than the other. They both matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 04:58 PM
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Then they can't be surprised when society rejects them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 04:26 PM
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They both matter. Nobody told you differently. The expectation you had is one you created.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:34 PM
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Men wear short sleeve and sleeveless shirts all the time. Men wear athletic fit shirts and sweatpants and shorts all the time. The problem is assuming that the areas of the body that men find attractive are the only things that can be considered attractive. Off topic, but I've never heard anyone use the word "psyop" that didn't go on to say something completely bonkers.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:01 PM
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Yeah see, the thing is people didn't tell you those things (or at least most of those things). Nobody ever told you looks don't matter. Nobody ever said all you had to was be kind of confident or just be yourself and you would be guaranteed a girlfriend. You invented that. You made up that promise and now you're mad nobody else kept it. Christ I get accused at least once a week of saying looks don't matter despite the fact I have never said that and have repeatedly said that looks don't matter. …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 11:54 AM
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Yet another fantastic example of why men on this sub need to touch grass. This is moon man talk.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:41 AM
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you’ll see women speak of incels as if they’re cave dwelling Taliban And you realize those women are the minority of women? That the vast majority of women, even if they recognize the term incel and red pill, don't know the rhetoric? near-zero "Near" is doing a lot of heavy lifting, isn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:14 AM
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The amount of time women actually spend thinking about "unselected men" is basically nil, especially compared to the amount of time "unselected men" spend bitching about it. This is a fantastic example of why red pillers et al need to touch grass. When you get out in the real world, 90% of the shit that men on this sub say sounds like a foreign language.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:35 AM
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I think many men misattribute the reason for lack of libido. Among married friends with kids, the guys who complain about lack of sex (even in jest) are the ones where the wife does the most work.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:57 PM
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This might be a you thing my guy. I've never had an issue with emotional closeness with female friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 10:22 PM
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And red piller discovers consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 07:40 PM
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What do you think the Russians were doing in Syria in the 2010s? They were raiding and pillaging? You want to model civilization after international pariahs? Even in American movies You may be shocked to learn movies aren't real life. And I do think one of the reasons why American men are single is the fact that the middle class is being eaten away and that’s causing huge issue with the being able to get started gaining enough economic wealth to attract women and get married. Nope. You're not go…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 04:01 PM
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That’s just the social contracts that’s been signed since the dawn of civilization. I'm not sure what civilization you've been living in, but it has been quite some time since raiding and pillaging villages has been a thing. That's also not what the social contract is.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 02:26 PM
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they make up about half of them Like what? You thinking that literally NONE of anything like that applies to women is the problem itself. Except the only thing men here seem to care about women "doing better" is letting men date them, but only the men guys here approve of.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 01:16 PM
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I believe that we just treat everyone that isn’t “the one” like shit until we bump into someone that makes us “shape up” This is very much a you thing. Most people are polite and pleasant to people even if they don't want to date them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 01:10 PM
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progressivism is to the benefit of most women, Most people. Someone else, in a different conversation, said something that OP never said and so now OP has to answer for it. ??? Like you know you're a bad faith actor when you make these ridiculous fallacies. Screaming "BAD FAITH" and "FALLACIES" isn't actually an argument. Youre not reading what people are writing lol you're arguing in your own head against no one. No, I'm arguing against you, among others.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 12:30 PM
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Lol heirless? Are you trying to pass on a fortune or something? Also you don't get to pick and choose when the "natural selection" argument applies, bud.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 12:27 PM
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And what did you do that believed guaranteed you a girlfriend and who told you?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 12:25 PM
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I've had many male friends, it's all worthless compared to the satisfaction of love with a woman I'm sure your friends would love to hear that. "Male friends" mainly just revolve around banter and trying to impress each other. It's not remotely comparable. Men simply don't like men that much for it to replace a relationship with a woman. You don't like men that much and your friends only revolve around banter and trying to impress each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 12:19 PM
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If that's how you want to see it
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 05:03 AM
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See, I don't believe that because, just yesterday, I had to explain to a bunch of guys here that having a bad personality isn't the same as being a bad person, and there are apparently quite a few dudes who cannot grasp that. It's like how guys here are always claiming that people say looks don't matter. I get accused of that about once a week despite the fact I have never said it and repeatedly say the opposite. Like I'm sure if you search it out, you can find someone saying that because it's t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 04:36 AM
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But your hypothetical fails because it's ridiculous. "What if it was beneficial to society to eat babies?"
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 03:44 AM
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Robin Williams, if memory serves, was diagnosed with an incurable, degenerative disease. I do not think Robin Williams would have become a radical conservative as a result of his diagnosis. Nobody is denying the fulfillment of romantic relationships. They are denying that they are the sole source of socialization and happiness, nor are they a basis for radical conservatism.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 11:57 PM
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What do you think Robin Williams was missing?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 11:29 PM
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Sorry, you're going to have to connect Robin Williams' death to men being radicalized by the manosphere for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 10:45 PM
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So you have friends, family, a good life, but you don't have a girlfriend and therefore are willing to burn it all down? Have I got that right?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 10:19 PM
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No, your hypothetical is ridiculous. It fails specifically because it does NOT make society better.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 10:13 PM
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No, that's not what I said and, even if I did, that's not what your comment represents me saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 08:37 PM
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Nope, that's a lazy strawman.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 08:31 PM
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You keep acting like its either or. The fact that you have friends and family connections is what helps with loneliness. If you're expecting a girlfriend to be your entire social life, well no wonder you're single.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 08:28 PM
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I'm a man 🤣 Also what is this argument even saying? "You consent to sex with this man so therefore I should also get sex?"
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 08:26 PM
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Nope, that's just lazy gaslighting. I never said anything even close to resembling that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 08:25 PM
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If you go looking for it, sure, you can find someone who hates anything. In terms of just day to day interactions, not really.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 08:22 PM
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it's clearly because you're a bad person This is the part you're making up. Nobody is saying "any man who can't get a girlfriend is a bad person." You are inflicting that on yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 08:21 PM
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Men can get love from friends and family.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 08:19 PM
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Sure does. So are these men finding social outlets through other means, fostering connections, developing their interests and themselves while they take a break from dating? Because according to the men here, the answer is no.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 08:17 PM
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Your social life is more than dating, which is what I've repeatedly said. Dudes here expect women to fix all their social problems because these men don't want to take accountability for their own choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 08:15 PM
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They don't. Nobody is forcing you to "provide."
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 08:14 PM
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Nope, you ignored what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 08:13 PM
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Yes they are choosing it. They are actively choosing delusional conspiracy theories like red pill that tell them they have no hope over reality. That is a choice, so they need to take accountability for that choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 08:12 PM
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The only benefit men are interested in is access to women's bodies as you put it. No, because A) it's not a benefit or something that was ever promised to men and B) most men are able to have lives beyond getting laid. Would women choose society over their own interests Yes, they do all the time. Every person does. That's actually the only way society functions.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 08:11 PM
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I hope you realize an inability to fix these issues preventing social connection isn't the same thing as choosing to have no friends. No, but choosing not to go to therapy and get treatment for them is. Repeated rejection and exclusion leads to self isolation and hesitation to form new connections. There's a direct cause and effect there. So in other words, exclusion and rejection earlier in life prevent future connections. Then are they in therapy for that? Coronavirus Pandemic Covid ended four…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 07:54 PM
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Nope, that's not what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 05:10 PM
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You are choosing to believe it's false hope. Take accountability for that choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 05:09 PM
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"I'm going to keep harming myself and others if you don't do what I want" is terrorist logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 05:08 PM
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"Society should foster boys and men to be able to have full social lives" and the great news is, they're already doing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 05:07 PM
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I didn't say it wasn't happening, I said it's not a good argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 05:06 PM
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No, and you can climb down off the cross. When my toddler throws a tantrum, I don't tell her "you're right, your potatoes should never touch your carrots and society should bend to your will because that is what you believe you are entitled to." I explain to her that she can either fix the problem herself or learn to live with it. If she continues to throw a tantrum, I don't engage, and certainly not if she tells me "if my carrots keep touching my potatoes, I'm going to burn the house down." Dud…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 05:05 PM
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Depression, anxiety, Have they sought treatment for these? neurodivergence ND people can still join hobbies and have friends and interests. lack of opportunity Where are they living that other people don't exist? lack of financial freedom Many hobbies and activities are low/no cost lack of independence from parents Children still have hobbies and interests. exclusion by peers, rejection, These men have been excluded and rejected by every single person and social group? Every single one? social i…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 04:58 PM
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How does someone not choose to not have hobbies, friends, or interests?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 04:36 PM
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People forced them to have no friends, no hobbies, no interests?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 04:16 PM
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I agree there is something wrong. We disagree on what is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:55 PM
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Because that is how trade works. That's not the trade. The trade is you work for society because you benefit from society. That is a reflection of what women want No, that's just misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 02:31 PM
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Correct. It's not "the child who stands outside the village demanding a girlfriend will burn it down to feel its warmth." These men choose to have no connections, no investment, no interest in society beyond getting a girlfriend. That is their choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:53 PM
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Sorry, what is your actual argument here? Men consume lolicon shit so therefore they will only work for society if they can get laid?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:52 PM
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That depends on what they agree on. I have a friend who just quit his job to be a stay at home dad because his wife is a dentist. I personally wouldn't want to be married to someone who wants to be a stay at home mom. That's a ton of pressure on me and significantly reduces our lifestyle. You're also misunderstanding what maternity and paternity leave is for.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:28 PM
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It is explicitly being pinned on women, that's not even up for debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:18 PM
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You’re delusional if you think the vast majority of people are not selfish. Society actually doesn't function if everyone is selfish. And these radicalized young men are in for a rude awakening if they don't realize that. But if I had nothing, Let us be abundantly clear. These men choose to have nothing. Absolutely nobody is forcing them to have no friends, no family connections, no hobbies, no interests. They are choosing not to have those things and then blaming women for not dating them. It's…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:13 PM
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It is my point. Somehow men being radicalized is being pinned on women while ignoring that everything else that is absent in these men's lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:09 PM
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For themselves No, that's not how progressivism works. No one asked you to feel sympathy Dudes here are constantly complaining that nobody feels sympathy for mens loneliness. Had I å wife and children, society would be working for me Society never entitled you to a wife and children. The fact that you think it did is your problem, not everyone else's.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:08 PM
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People routinely consume fiction with kids having sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:06 PM
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Of course it feels pointless, they have nothing in their lives. The problem is thinking that women are going solve that. Like do you realize that the vast vast vast majority of men who are in relationships still have friends and hobbies and interests that exist outside of the relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:05 PM
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Let's see if you can spot the difference between fiction and real life. Look at that, I just did it for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:03 PM
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If I have no children, why should I care what happens to society after my death? Because society is more than you and your children. but ultimately selfish instincts drive almost everyone. Actually they don't. That is the entire point. The most rational thing for me myself and I is to just chill, travel, and have fun until I’m in an old person hospital. That doesn't require burning down society in the process.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:02 PM
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And I'm saying your facts are bullshit misandry. No one ever said men had to be happy alone. They said don't make your entire life hinge on whether you have a girlfriend. You even say it yourself; these men don't even have hobbies and, by their own admission, many of these men don't even have friends. Why aren't they trying to fix that problem instead of demanding women give them sex or else they're voting for Trump.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:39 PM
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Why is men working for the good of society contingent on having access to women's bodies? Women get radicalized from things like abuse, sexual violence, discrimination, harassment, etc. And yet these women overwhelmingly become progressive to improve society, and the manosphere says I should hate them. But apparently men get radicalized from not having a girlfrien drives them to burn it all down, and the manosphere says I should feel sympathy for them. How does this make any goddamn sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:34 PM
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Well, you're not talking about "we" here. You're talking about women. Because doing things for the good of collective wouldn't be "I'm going to vote for trump if I can't get a girlfriend." There's no expectation for men to change for the good of the collective, you want women to do that and make men's behavior contingent on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:27 PM
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Men aren't taking anything from women by force.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:24 PM
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I don't find "if I can't get a girlfriend, I'm going to keep sticking my dick in this electrical socket" to be a very compelling argument, yet that is exactly what many young men are doing. But the reality is the only people telling you that you have no hope (and comparing it to terminal cancer, Jesus Christ) are the ones who want to radicalize you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:13 PM
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Because your entire premise is that his wife is divorcing him and women are incapable of love. If you don't know why they're getting divorced, then your argument is meaningless.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 05:04 AM
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Ok, but you're literally just making stuff up to suit your narrative like the OP. There's no evidence of any of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 02:59 AM
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I'm confused what your comment is trying to say?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 02:33 AM
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Please, give me your exact reason for why you think his wife left him, then.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 02:19 AM
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Yes I did. You made up another accusation that you have no evidence for and I called it out lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 02:05 AM
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You also made that up. He never said anything about it being because he's wheelchair bound.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 02:03 AM
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It's not messed up though. You completely made up that she's divorcing him because of his foot.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:58 AM
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Ball himself doesn't even say it's because of his foot. OP is just making shit up.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:57 AM
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OP is also making up that she divorced him because he lost his foot. There's nothing to back up that assertion.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:56 AM
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What is the basis of the claim that his wife is leaving him because he lost a foot?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:52 AM
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I don't think many of the men who post here are confused at all. They motte and bailey the definitions because that's the only way the ideology works. Like just today someone posted that when women say men have a bad personality they must mean he's terrible and evil. It's ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:35 AM
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People were more open about it, but it has always been happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 11:59 PM
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You're interpreting bad to mean morally bad instead of just bad for dating. A guy who is intensely boring has a bad personality, he's not a bad person.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 09:04 PM
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Casual sex has been going on for all of human history. That is not something new generations invented. If anything, statistics have found the younger generations are having less sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 08:19 PM
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Amazingly, I don't think I've ever heard a woman say women should have paper abortions. Like ever. That doesn't seem to be something they're interested in.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 02:56 PM
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My profile and pictures. I spent a year tweaking it and trying different pictures and arrangements until I found one that worked, and my matches immediately exploded.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 02:26 PM
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Amazingly, I don't think I've ever heard a woman say women should have paper abortions. Like ever. That doesn't seem to be something they're interested in.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 02:24 PM
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No, I think abortion access should be expanded.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 11:53 AM
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I mean I do. I went about a year or more with basically no matches before I got the hang of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 11:52 AM
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You mean the military industrial complex that spent about 75 of those 100 years fielding a volunteer only military? Is that the one you're talking about? And you can save the "they're just lying" bullshit. The manosphere has blamed progressives for years for not having equality in the draft despite the fact it's actually conservatives who want it to be male only. But shhhh because if they admit that, then how are they going to blame feminists??
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 05:19 AM
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I don't think I am.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 01:18 AM
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Yeah it's just bad faith bullshit. Once you realize that the manosphere doesn't actually care about men's issues, they just want to bash women and feminists, you will see it all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 01:11 AM
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Your edit doesn't make sense to me? I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 12:30 AM
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Then why should men get special privileges like paper abortions?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 11:26 PM
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They don't want to abolish Selective Service because that would mean they agree with feminists. Not even joking, they insist the draft is necessary and women should join it because they think it will upset feminists more.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 11:10 PM
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It's not the same exact logic at all. You're imposing a non existent restriction on women and trying to compare it to existing equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 11:09 PM
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Dating apps are a different skill set than approaching women in real life. I was (and am) terrible at approaching women in real life, but I did pretty well on dating apps. If you're struggling with dating apps, then try a different approach. But I do not understand the mentality of "it doesn't work for me so it can't work for anyone."
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:50 PM
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Of course not, just like I do not favor red pill's "paper abortion" proposal to create non neutrality. This is a really terrible gotcha you're trying.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:16 PM
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Abortion access already is gender neutral, as are parental abandonment laws. Selective service is not gender neutral because conservatives have prevented it from becoming so.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:03 PM
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As always, men who get pregnant have the same exact options as women. Women who do not gestate their child have same exaction options as men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 06:36 PM
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I can understand that, but when they keep telling people that all the actionable advice being offered is useless because it doesn't guarantee success, then they need to learn to be happy single. Either change what they're doing or accept the results.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:37 PM
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You're arguing for those red pill and red pill adjacent men right now, they're getting told to be happy single.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:32 PM
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It's exactly the point. You're complaining it's not useful advice and I'm pointing out that all the useful advice gets disregarded, so what else do you expect? And that also meant to read "red pill and red pill adjacent men".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:01 PM
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I mean, what exactly do you want? People give actionable advice day in, day out about things they can do to try and improve their chances of finding a partner, and the red pill and red pill adjacent men piss and moan about how none of it guarantees success so therefore it's worthless. All right, if you don't want advice and are unwilling to change, then learn to be happy single. Seems to pretty straightforward, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 11:56 AM
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Many men here definitely seem to think it makes them more virtuous. How women don't experience "real" loneliness like men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:39 AM
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Dudes here talk all the time how they don't care about a woman's career, education, income, hobbies, tastes, ambitions, or even personality beyond being "agreeable." They literally say all she has to do is not be fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:38 AM
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I mean I don't think most men have low standards, but many men on this sub proudly talk about how they only thing they care about is if she's attractive. Also, if somebody is willing to remain single rather than compromise their standards, then their standards aren't too high.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:36 AM
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Let's see some examples then.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:37 PM
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It's not "mean/evil" to refuse to date someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:13 PM
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How exactly are you being punished though? I'm willing to bet I spend more time in feminist spaces than a lot of guys on this sub, and I have no idea where or whom this punishment is supposed to be coming from.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 05:23 PM
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Sure, it's not exclusive to men. But it is definitely dominated by men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 04:32 PM
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Wait are you saying women are transphobic or men are? Because in terms of "trans women are really men pretending to be women" transphobia, that is overwhelmingly dominated by men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 03:27 PM
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Nope, he was already a multimillionaire the first time she went back to him and didn't find out she had HIV until after they got back together.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 02:58 PM
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What exactly are you defining as "dominated?"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 01:41 AM
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The part where you went off on some bizarre tangent about women's sexual selection and also lions.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 08:40 PM
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This is true It is absolutely true. Nobody ever said it was fear of being raped (since that would be a defense on its own). thus, straight men view LGBTQ and particularly gay men as an agent opposing the structure, and of making their contributions “to the collective” worthless. No, that is utter nonsense. Being gay is antithetical to traditional masculinity. Traditional masculinity is incredibly fragile. The risk of being labeled as gay by proxy is an existential threat to one's traditional mas…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 06:50 PM
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What do you mean? I mean that "she's divorcing you because you're not a provider and the courts will automatically give her custody" is red pill nonsense. Because it's that this was a feminist arguing how family court should work, not how it does. Link for this? my evil patriarchal stay-at-home mom ??? I am willing to do that too, and let her decide. What is the question then?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 03:38 PM
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It's actually not hard to find women who want to split dates. I never had a problem with paying for the first date and it still was not hard to find women who wanted to split. The men here act like it's seeing a rare spotted owl which suggests their preferred woman does not want to split or, more likely, most men here don't actually have any dating experience and are just parroting red pill talking points from other men who don't really have any dating experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 02:31 PM
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One of the first people I spoke to on Reddit told me that if I were a stay-at-home dad and my wife leaves me, she's leaving me because I'm not financially providing, so I should lose custody of my children and pay child support. ??? Are you suggesting this is blue pill advice? Because that sounds red pill as fuck. when I say I want alimony to compensate for a lack of male DV shelters, which was bad faith Not only does this not answer the question, but it's absolutely bonkers reasoning. because t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 06:54 AM
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What is it with you blue pillers and responding to strawmen My guy, you are the one inventing a narrative where she's doing all this crazy experimentation with other guys and won't do it with him because she's not as attracted. It's just a common experience gap couples are having more and more these days There is nothing to back that up. and the answer is usually not as black & white as "let's break up, babe, so I can go find someone who still wants to experiment" I mean, it really is. She doesn…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 01:52 AM
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That doesn't require her to let him to experiment on her. If he wants to experiment more, he can find someone who wants to do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 01:31 AM
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Absolutely. I hooked up with a 40-something woman I met at a part when I was in my early 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 02:26 PM
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We were talking about feminists Fair point, you made up a claim and demanded to know why feminists (and only feminists) don't bend to your perception of reality. What part do you disagree with? The part where you made shit up
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 11:15 PM
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You said: then she only comes back because she has HIV Which is clearly not true because she doesn't find out until after they get back together. They get back together because she wants him to meet his son.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 10:25 PM
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No, it's not silly. Demanding universal compatibility from women is what's silly. You are not required to be in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 10:12 PM
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No, it doesn't. You've made up a claim and then demanded to know why women (and only women) don't bend to your perception of reality. The answer is that you have nothing to back up your perception of reality and you in fact openly ignore reality, particularly when it's inconvenient to your agenda.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 10:10 PM
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She didn't know she had HIV, and it is entirely relevant that it is his child. It is the single most relevant part.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 10:08 PM
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When the harm done is equal A claim for which you've provided no evidence. It hasn't been the topic of discussion. And now I'm making it one. What is the basis for this claim? Because without it, your argument falls apart it. This doesn't change the fact that women do half the work of upholding society and maintaining the culture, including patriarchal norms. That doesn't answer my question.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 08:31 PM
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Proportionate is not the same as "equal." While ignoring the "more than women" I didn't ignore it, I just didn't assume you were making the ridiculous stance that criticism only counts if it's equal (and we're gonna make that argument look real silly in a minute). Blame women equally. No? You've provided nothing to back up that assertion. And if this is the logic you're using, then clearly I would see you flailing your arms in discussions about violence by women against men because, in any categ…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 08:05 PM
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Yes, and? You feel men are being disproportionately blamed for something both men and women do. I said feminists routinely discuss the fact that women also reinforce the patriarchy, and then you moved the goalposts where it only counts if they blame women more.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 07:56 PM
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Yep you did. You went from "feminists don't acknowledge that women reinforce social norms too" to "feminists don't acknowledge that women reinforce social norms as much as men."
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 07:47 PM
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Now you're moving the goalposts.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 07:38 PM
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She is diagnosed after she gets together with Forrest. She doesn't "leave" Forrest with a child, that's Forrest's child.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 07:35 PM
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Jenny never had to lead Forrest on. Forrest would have given Jenny everything he had without a second thought. Jenny pushed Forrest away because she never felt like she deserved his love.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 05:00 PM
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There's a different between excusing and understanding. Even Jenny never asked Forrest to excuse her acts.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 04:58 PM
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The analysis isn't supposed to stop at whether Jenny is likeable or not. That's the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 01:06 PM
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Forrest Gump is such a fascinating examination of media literacy. I think the movie is a story that can easily be gender swapped. A woman simply would not be allowed to rise to the same heights as Forrest (especially during this time period), and it's unlikely a man would be sexually exploited to the same extent that Jenny was her entire life. I think there are some scenes that would be viewed more darkly, but the story overall is hard to easily swap.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 01:05 PM
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So Jenny led him on but also she should have left him alone? Because having seen so many of these discussions, the former is what people complain about. Also, the entire point of the movie is that Forrest isn't actually intellectually disabled. He repeatedly shows that he is incredibly capable, his competency just doesn't match what society thinks of as smart.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 12:59 PM
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Ok, so I'm gonna guess you've never actually read what feminists say because not only have feminists long acknowledged that women support the patriarchy and push harmful rhetoric as well, they even have a name for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 12:39 PM
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All the misandristic and man hating rhetoric has consumed most of the current feminist trends Like what?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 06:01 AM
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No one actually thinks that "personality" is important in dating Yes they do. f they did, they'd be utterly baffled by the existence of abusive male partners. No, this is just an incredibly lazy, bad faith argument that red pillers et al use which ignores the reality of abuse cycles and is also just terrible logic. This same reasoning would mean that height has no impact because short men get dates all the time. It's also incredibly strange that you used an example of a woman leaving a man with …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 05:28 AM
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No, most people who have been in relationships recognize a bad relationship is worse than no relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 01:06 AM
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How do you think I found out women wanted to split?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 12:59 AM
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You aren't required to date someone. A bad relationship is worse than no relationship. Anybody with experience knows that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 12:58 AM
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Not really. I never gave a shit about paying for first dates and it still wasn't hard to find women who wanted to split.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 12:57 AM
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Nobody told you "all you have to do is be yourself and focus on yourself and you'll get dates." They're telling you that you are so far off the rails that you are lacking even the most basic foundation for a relationship, much less trying to attract women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 12:36 AM
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I'm pointing out that your two different statements are completely at odds with each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 07:16 PM
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So men are jealous of fake sex that's against human nature?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 06:33 PM
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there is no reason for women to take offense to men finding them sexy. no reason to dislike being hit on. the suggestion of having sex with men should not cause such hysterics Fun fact, straight men find homosexuality so repulsive that it used to be a legal defense for murder. So if we're talking about repulsion, let's give it some context here. Secondly, no, women are not required to accept sexual attention from everyone (or anyone) in order to prove they aren't repulsed by male sexuality. Wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 01:49 PM
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You ignored what I said. I am calling out your hypocrisy because a) you've already acknowledged you don't actually care about the biphobia, you just want to attack women and b) you not only ignore, but actually align yourself with far worse biphobia and homophobia. The fact that you and others like you continually use my sexuality as an excuse to shit on women is far more offensive than the few women who have said they didn't want to date me.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 01:09 AM
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What exactly are you defining as "traditional gender dynamics?" But generally, yes, there's nothing wrong with choosing traditional gender roles and relationships for yourself. That doesn't place it above scrutiny, but it's a free choice. And it has been long noted among feminists that choosing a traditional life for yourself is completely compatible with feminism as long as it is actually freely chosen.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 12:45 AM
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That's not what tokenism is.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 12:43 AM
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Because men being homophobic is already seen as the default. That's a much bigger problem. While women are assumed to be perfect angles who can't be homophobic. They aren't, but thank you for confirming, once again, that you don't actually give a shit about biphobia or homophobia. You only care about bashing women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 12:42 AM
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I didn't say anything about misogyny. And I'm calling out the hypocrisy of men on this sub perfomatively clutching their pearls at the "hypocrisy" of women while ignoring and even frequently aligning themselves with much more virulent homophobia.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 12:36 AM
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Fetishizing someone's sexuality is not really any better than not dating them. And of the many reactions people have had to my bisexuality, men have had, by far, the worst and most violent reactions. It was actually really common for red pillers to hurl slurs at me for a long time, and then they discovered they could use bi men to attack women, so now they bring it up incessantly. The worst a woman has done is say she doesn't want to date me (and it's not nearly as common as dudes on this sub wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 06:00 PM
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It's really not. The fact that it's so easy to find similarities is why they are grouped together. The Venn diagram is nearly a circle. Look how many dudes here complain about paternity testing or conscription.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:31 PM
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for some reason includes MRA and they concentrate on totally different issues Ok, we can add paternity fraud to the list. It's still not first-hand experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 11:55 AM
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No it's not. I'm simply illustrating the difference in the experiences. I didn't say whether anyone is "correct."
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 05:51 AM
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viral online posts are broadly representative of how women feel, when there've been several threads in the last few days centered around the OP's failure to understand that women are not a monolith Is not the same as: interpreting online posts Immediately narrowing it to "viral online posts" is clearly a bad faith attempt to cherry pick examples that fit your narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:57 AM
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I think it's kinda funny that you think viral online posts are broadly representative of how women feel And this is called "moving the goalposts."
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:47 AM
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then we should expect that a man, given a female body (I say this instead of "a woman's body" because that implies that he has swapped with or stolen the body of another conscious being), would fail just as hard. Like if we seriously think that the quality of someone's photography is a problem, then surely a dateless 27 year old man would utterly fail if magically given a 27 year old woman's body. Based on what?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:45 AM
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I didn't say whether anyone was correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:38 AM
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Feminists share their stories because they all have them. A woman sharing her frustrations about being harassed gets a ton of women supporting her because they've overwhelmingly experienced harassment too. The only common story among manosphere men is how women won't date them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 11:50 PM
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And yet red pillers continually align themselves with these guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 05:33 PM
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That's based entirely your vibes. Red pill overwhelmingly exaggerates the prevalence of such women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 02:09 AM
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So....you don't even know where this is supposedly practiced today?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 02:08 AM
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Are you talking about quinceñeras?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 02:07 AM
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And why doesn’t it matter as much as dudes think it does? Anatomy, mainly. penetrative experience. Well, for starters, sex is more than penetration. I’ll find a few comments suggesting to find asexual women and the like. Please do.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 12:01 AM
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Does it matter? Yes. Does it matter nearly as much as dudes think it does? No. Unless you're packing an anaconda or a micropenis, it's not really an issue. For example, “get good with your hands” is often tossed around as advice, which is valid, but it’s only ever really targeted to men with smaller penises. Not really. Men are constantly reminded that most women do not orgasm from penetration alone. “Just find someone who doesn’t care about sex that much” or “find someone asexual”, another thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 11:43 PM
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I have evidence and I clearly explained my claims. Your reply was to lie and claim I said something I not only didn't say, but explicitly refuted. This is quite typical of red pill. You can have the last word if you need it so badly.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 03:14 AM
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My claims aren't deceitful at all. My claims are backed by actual data. Your claims are quite deceitful. So why did you lie?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:47 AM
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This doesn't say anything about average men being Chads. I even go on to clarify that any way you want to adjust the attractiveness ratings, it still does not add up to the large majority of women going after the same small percentage of top men. So why did you lie?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:19 AM
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I didn't ask for what you wish I said. I asked for you to point out where I said: you've now made you own argument mute as "average" really just means average Chad Please quote the words I wrote that mean this.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:02 AM
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Well then congrats you've played yourself as you've now made you own argument mute as "average" really just means average Chad, Point out where I said this. I'll wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:37 AM
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I asked two questions and you answered neither.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:44 AM
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First off, women are not required to rate men along a bell curve. Second, any way you want adjust the attractiveness ratings, the data irrefutably debunks the claim of "the vast majority of women are going after the same small percentage of top men."
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:43 AM
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And now you're hurling insults instead of answering simple questions. Always a sign of good faith discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:38 AM
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That's not what you said. They said "at least one" and you immediately moved the goalposts to "only one" with no qualification. So why did you misrepresent what they said? And why are you acting like sex is the only form of attention a man can receive from a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:33 AM
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They said at least one, and you lied and said "only one." Why did you blatantly misrepresent what they said? Secondly, why are you acting like sex is the only form of "attention" a man can receive from a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:21 AM
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Red pill has no source LOL Also how do you explain the fact an overwhelming majority of men get zero attention Speaking of having no source.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:19 AM
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I didn't say anything about "selective," I said there's no dating app data to show a large majority of women are going after the same small percentage of top men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:18 AM
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