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In America, Asian means East Asian. In the UK, Asian means Pakistani.
/r/BlackPillScience02/03/26 06:59 AM
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You used a lot of buzzwords here without explaining yourself. What is the "neural crest hypothesis"? Obviously, I could google that myself but why should I? You've provided no hook for me to do so. Ultimately, men have to be sexually attractive to women in order to reproduce. What does a fox becoming more domesticated have to do with that? Also, bonobos and chimpanzees are not humans. One can only draw limited inferences from different species.
/r/BlackPillScience02/03/26 06:58 AM
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Height is one reason, but if you want to know the main reason -- and it's definitely a black pill -- it's buried at the end of this paper: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3276508/ This gist is that in regions where food is more plentiful, the competition for women becomes more intense (perhaps a bit counterintuitive) -- this results in the faces of both the men and women evolving via sexual selection to become more masculine. In places where food is scarce, it's the opposite. Both men a…
/r/BlackPillScience02/03/26 06:16 AM
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Heck, not to humble brag, but blue eyed blonde all-American types end up chasing me I don't believe you.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen07/08/25 06:18 PM
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Cool.. that’s what’s known as anecdotal evidence.
/r/BlackPillScience02/03/25 07:59 AM
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that’s not what the link says.. it says chest hair is more attractive than no chest hair. bodybuilding is still gay.
/r/BlackPillScience27/11/24 01:14 PM
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It's the yin and yang of life. Women have it easier in the beginning but their poor choices have bigger consequences.. or, at least they used to before the welfare state and hoeflation.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen09/10/24 02:36 AM
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Interested to learn more about this DIY option. Do you have any links / additional info you can share?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/09/24 07:39 PM
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Non-invasive, easily reversible vasectomy is coming in 2026. Can't get here soon enough.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/09/24 05:09 AM
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wat
/r/BlackPillScience31/08/24 01:55 AM
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hmm tried to find more info on this but there’s not much.. maybe it also reduces wrinkling? East Asian women get wrinkles in their faces 10 years later than white women. There’s other traits in East Asians that may not be related to this gene: shorter limbs, less muscular development, less body hair. All of these things are neotenous and make the women more attractive and then men slightly less attractive (the effect on SMV is more pronounced for women wrt neoteny).
/r/BlackPillScience31/08/24 12:09 AM
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Not true, East Asian women get the most interest on dating apps.
/r/BlackPillScience30/08/24 10:24 PM
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eyelid surgery increases neoteny. men all over the world prefer fairer skinned women, even before they made contact with the West (e.g. feudal Japan). check the science.
/r/BlackPillScience30/08/24 10:24 PM
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This is black pill science reddit. The reason is higher neoteny in Asians (highly attractive in women, unattractive in men) and the corresponding EDAR gene mutation in East Asians. It’s not racism.
/r/BlackPillScience30/08/24 10:22 PM
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Borderline Personality Disorder. She wants to find a man with BPD because she has BPD. The majority of sex workers (as high as 95% according to some studies) have BPD, NPD or another personality disorder. Avoid women with BPD at all costs — I can’t emphasize this enough.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen12/07/24 08:40 PM
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I love cooking, cleaning, walking, shopping, smoking blunts. Notice how they always list these things in reverse order of frequency.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen12/07/24 06:16 PM
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Testosterone boosts libido in women just like men.
/r/BlackPillScience10/07/24 05:09 PM
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"behaviour" -- the spelling of that word is all you need to indicate that you're probably dealing with a radical feminist.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen27/06/24 06:39 PM
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lol
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen08/06/24 06:38 AM
23

Really fascinating how they always describe the predictable result of regular unprotected sex with no birth control (even pulling out) in the most passive language imaginable. They "found out" that they were pregnant.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen07/06/24 07:31 PM
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If you’re interested, shoot me a DM and I’ll send you my Montreal guide. I probably spent 20+ hours making it 😅
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen29/05/24 05:07 AM
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If you’re interested, shoot me a DM and I’ll send you my Montreal guide. I probably spent 20+ hours making it 😅
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen29/05/24 05:07 AM
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It's the best destination for a bachelor party in North America so nice work on that.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen29/05/24 03:22 AM
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Women from UK are more woke than American women
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/05/24 05:49 PM
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Great dating scene for men. Relatively inexpensive for a bigger city. Different culture than America.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen14/05/24 01:02 AM
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Try Montreal.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen13/05/24 03:25 AM
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You might need to hop on an airplane
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen13/05/24 01:52 AM
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Avoid women with tattoos.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen13/05/24 12:53 AM
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Ok
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen05/05/24 06:01 AM
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I would never date someone with a height requirement even though I got the height. Yes you would if she were hot enough. Stop the cap 😂
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen04/05/24 09:22 PM
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And she still has a height requirement of 6'. You can't make this stuff up 😂
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen02/05/24 08:27 PM
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A 260lb, 39 year-old woman is still looking for a physically fit man who "makes a good living" 😂. You can't make this stuff up. Women are so hardwired on this stuff I don't think they can unlearn the programming. It has to be beaten (metaphorically) out of them by society from a young age for most women to have any hope of making prudent mating choices it seems.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen19/04/24 09:28 PM
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lol @ "miraculously younger". she could just say "younger". that would have been sufficient. nothing miraculous about it.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen18/04/24 01:41 AM
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Actually, the term is "ghost hunter" haha.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 09:59 PM
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I agree that it doesn’t necessarily mean that but it’s certainly plausible.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 10:22 AM
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Because younger guys will eventually ditch them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 08:16 AM
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Baby boy monkeys pick up toy trucks and baby girl monkeys pick up toy dolls -- and monkeys can't read magazines or watch tiktok. There's a lot more nature going on than a lot of people seem to realize.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 08:14 AM
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Just like Scrooge is the hero in A Christmas Carol: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL8zVgd2lXI
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 08:09 AM
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True. I think a lot of people on here are kinda crazy anyway. I'm not necessarily excluding myself from that group either.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 08:07 AM
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Are you saying that brain structure doesn't determine likes and interests? What else would?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 08:07 AM
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Agree with you except that taming the bad boy stuff in women is biological. I'm sure you could find many other examples from other cultures and languages. After writing the above, I asked ChatGPT and yes there are tons: "Beauty and the Beast" is a classic tale that has parallels in various cultures worldwide, featuring themes of transformation and the redemptive power of love. Here are some examples of similar stories from different cultures: "East of the Sun and West of the Moon" (Norwegian Fol…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 08:04 AM
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Women are more similar to each other than men are to other men, though. See: the variability hypothesis.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 07:41 AM
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Sure there is! After you wreck her until she's sore the next day you can pull it off an ejaculate on her face. Sounds like a good time to me! Also, why does it automatically make you inferior to use a sex toy? I think that's in your head. I do agree that size matters but if you really feel that bad about your size, there's surgeries and other stuff you can do in the modern age.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 09:03 AM
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This is not a "debate" post but an obviously true statement. Most of the men and women on this sub probably aren't very attractive anyway -- do you seriously think there are 9s and 10s posting on PPD? They're on tiktok or some dude's yacht. So, even if you could change the minds of women here, what would it matter anyway? Maybe a few more 4s in the world will see your point of view? Go on a date with you? Who cares?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 08:59 AM
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Don't be so serious. I have a huge dick and I still kinda want to try a dick sleeve just to do extra damage. Just have fun out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 08:56 AM
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You can just wear a dick sleeve. Or go to the Philippines.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 08:21 AM
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Agree with your take -- although self-esteem and sexual desperation are not quite the same thing. In my view, and as a man, all men would become pathetic and desperate creatures given the right circumstances. All of the celebrities in Hollywood like Leonardo DiCaprio would be having sex with watermelons or getting bjs from guys in the Navy on a long deployment at sea just like many other men do. It's their status and situation that gives them extremely easy access to women that make them seem di…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 06:57 AM
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It's a bit of a paradox. Everyone knows that women are repulsed by desperation. The corollary of this is that women are attracted to indifference.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 10:58 PM
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Of course they are. Just not strongly enough to approach men. Their sex drive and desire for sexual novelty is much lower than men's.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 09:44 PM
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I'm not joking.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 08:30 PM
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I think you might be missing my point. Women will never approach men because men don't have anything that women have a strong biological desire for.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 12:42 AM
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Once you find a country where the men get pregnant instead of the women, then you'll be in the place where women do the approaching.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 09:50 PM
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Try GHB at the bars/clubs. A lot of bodybuilders use it as an alcohol alternative to avoid calories. It’s safe if you have a reliable source, measure the dose and never mix it with alcohol.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/23 02:54 AM
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A woman coined the term: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/BBW
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 07:44 AM
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incorrect, coined by a woman: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/BBW
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 07:43 AM
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There are new grads at Meta making 500k in SF
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 11:31 AM
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High status men not sleeping with women wouldn't make those women begin sleeping with low status men. They sleep with them because they're high status not because they're uncontrollably horny.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 07:51 PM
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There are documented cases of transmaxxing on the incel wiki.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 07:49 PM
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This can’t be real. It’s a troll right?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen13/12/23 01:47 AM
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transmaxxing or seamaxxing are the only ways forward
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 07:53 PM
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The entire world is obsessed with young women. Ever seen a magazine cover? Many of those “women” are 15 or 16.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 12:29 AM
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Not hornier than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 07:48 PM
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Women are not hornier than men. Not even close. Everybody (who isn't lying to themselves) knows this.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 08:04 AM
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except they don't want to see dick pics. they want to read harlequin novels and watch Friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 08:03 AM
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they're not
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 08:03 AM
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No, it’s evolved psychology due to paternal parental uncertainty and differential parental investment.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 03:07 AM
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Many women (especially younger ones) are attention whores and drama queens. If you're wanting that to stop, you're going to be waiting a very long time indeed.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 08:38 PM
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there is also no capitalism. anything that is not centrally controlled by a politburo is capitalism. a subsistence farmer is capitalism.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 02:00 AM
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Of the 90% with no alimony, how many of those avoided official alimony through an equalization payment that still factored in what alimony would have been awarded had the case gone to trial? Nobody seems to have the answer to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 07:58 PM
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The number of sex partners for women hasn't changed but the number of sex partners for the top 5% of men has increased by over 20% in 10 years. Also, more men at the bottom are being shut out. Fewer and fewer men are having more sex and with more individual women. It's more or less still exactly the thrust of what I was saying while I agree with you that the 5% stat isn't what I originally claimed.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 07:56 PM
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That was why enforced monogamy became a thing ... to create a stable social structure Yes but those times are over along with people believing in an all-powerful man in the sky. Adapt or die.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 09:16 AM
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Alimony happens anytime one person is earning a lot more than the other and can happen even in short term marriages when the other spouse has not been out of the workforce. I suspect a lot of the statistics about alimony are skewed since oftentimes it's officially avoided through an "equalization payment" which factors in the alimony that would have been received had the case gone to trial.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 06:44 AM
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How is alimony so "easily preventable" exactly? A prenup? Those can be challenged.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 06:14 AM
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So true. There are most definitely some gigachads that hate women too (a la American Psycho) but they are too busy getting laid to post on redpill forums.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 05:53 AM
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The distribution of sexual partners for women isn’t changing, only for men. That is, fewer and fewer men are composing the 6-8 men (or whatever) that the average woman has slept with. Reference: https://imgur.com/a/dO9zeZu
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 04:55 AM
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Everyone is free to not get married if they don’t want to. But if they do get married, they are legally joining together as one financial unit. Agree with you, my contention is that the joint assets thing is fundamentally unfair -- not that it isn't what's legally defined. Every situation is different and if the woman earned or invested 90% of the money into the assets that existed at the time of divorce, I don't think the deadbeat guy should be able to steal that money from her either. Sometime…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 03:46 AM
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Insurance companies will write custom policies for almost anything. In this case, it would probably be so expensive for a successful man as to not be worth it -- or make him rightly think twice about getting married in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 03:17 AM
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Yes and the "joint assets" are usually the man's assets being legally stolen from him. Call it whatever you want.. when 90% of the assets came from one person's work and not the other's, it's "joint" only in some abstract, legal sense. Under current law, it's a terrible idea to marry anybody (man or woman) who you expect to earn less than you over their lifetime -- which can be pretty difficult to predict. I agree with you on the child support, depending on the local laws. I disagree with the in…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 03:15 AM
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Well said. Also, for some reason this post reminded me of a recent study I saw claiming that 5% of men are now responsible for more penile-vaginal sex acts than the bottom 50% of men combined. The dating market is extremely (and increasingly) skewed in favor of women and a tiny percentage of men. Stuff like PUA and red pill came about to take back some small modicum of power and autonomy for the average man. Women still hold almost all of the power and always will.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 02:38 AM
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"Negging is very similar to the covert put-down or backhanded compliment used by narcissists. A neg is a comment meant to undermine a persons self-confidence so that they are more vulnerable to advances from the perpetrator." That's not the purpose of negging. It's a playful insult meant to disarm the woman. It's a way of explicitly telegraphing "I am not trying to have sex with you" so that you can take the conversation in a more casual direction and build report. This article misrepresents PUA…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 02:24 AM
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Good response. It reminds me of the criticisms of GTA and how you can kill prostitutes, the game is misogynistic, etc. The developers responded by saying that you can also drive an ambulance and save peoples lives in the game and there are no actual game missions that encourage the player to kill prostitutes. The players are just choosing to do that. It says more about human nature than the game itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 02:15 AM
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Of course it's not exactly the same thing. But the two things you seem to object to with PUA methods ("triggers primal desire", is not a 100% authentic representation of oneself) is shared in common with wearing makeup. My contention is neither is inherently more manipulative than the other -- or necessarily manipulative at all. Are there PUA-type guys who are sociopaths? Yes. Are there beautiful women who are sociopaths and misuse their sexual power? Also yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 02:07 AM
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lol.. you win this thread
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 01:56 AM
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Because you say so? Both of them "trigger primal desire" as you say. Both things involve altering yourself in a way that is not 100% authentic.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 01:54 AM
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How is that any different than women wearing makeup which triggers a primal desire in men? I feel like the word manipulation gets thrown around way too often in the current day. Not everything one does to make themselves more attractive to or to influence/persuade the opposite sex is automatically manipulation.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 01:48 AM
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How exactly are they vulnerable and how are they being manipulated? A lot of PUA stuff is just parlor tricks. Even the often maligned "negging" -- the original purpose is just to disarm the woman by joking around so she doesn't think you're only out for sex and not to make her feel bad about herself. I'm not a PUA but the tactics are just about leveling the playing field a bit. Women hold all of the power when it comes to sex and always will. They're not vulnerable or being manipulated. They're …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 01:31 AM
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Women want committed, monogamous relationships way more than men, in general. This is just a dance of the sexes thing and not manipulation. Sure, many women would like a sexual encounter to guarantee a relationship. Many men would like the woman to silently disappear and never call him again. Not everybody gets what they want all of the time. If women really cared about that, they would take a while to have sex (always, no FWBs on the side), get to know the guy for a while, etc. Basically, just …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 01:15 AM
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Women know on some level that youth and beauty is the most important thing to men -- just look at how much they spend on age preventing beauty products. They constantly gaslight themselves and each other about this fact because it's psychologically uncomfortable to confront the reality that your looks peak at age 18 and then go down from there.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 08:40 PM
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Correct and they are. Since women have no option to resolve conflict through violence, they are evolved to be better at manipulation, reputation destruction, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 08:58 PM
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So if women aren't out with "chad" and they are also single, are they celibate then? Having sex with other women? Are you personally asexual?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 08:20 PM
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30-40: puma 40-50: cougar 50+: jaguar
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 08:15 PM
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People hate dating. That much is clear. It's awful, you have to sort through a lot of folks and it rarely works out. Men especially hate being sexless. I think you're kinda hinting at something deeper here. Women don't like sifting through tons of dudes that mostly don't give them the tingles without also having red flags and then, still, potentially getting pumped and dumped anyway. Men hate not getting any sex. I don't think men that can relatively easily get dates and sex with multiple women …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 06:13 AM
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All of them
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 06:11 PM
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Same goes for starting a band lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 06:09 PM
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Of course there are long waitlists for county and government programs, the price is free or highly subsidized. If these programs were able to raise the price due to demand, the workers would also be paid more and attract more workers until the demand was met. But there is no profit motive and no ability to charge higher prices so it doesn’t happen. Demand is also naturally higher for free, government services than it would be otherwise which further distorts the market. A lot of private schools …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 06:39 AM
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It’s definitely garbage time but you could still learn a thing or two.. it’s no substitute for unpaid sex because the pros are going to blow smoke up your ass — even literally if you pay for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 04:27 AM
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They absolutely would be paid more if there was more demand. These waitlists you’re talking about are because they are public sector employees? Teachers at private schools get paid more.. much more in some cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 04:23 AM
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Being alone Chad's sidepiece is better than being unhappy an LTR with a beta Fixed 🫡
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 12:46 AM
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Yes, they will eventually become a Beta Bob (provided they can provide beta bux).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 11:30 PM
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It's an old expression.. don't hear it used very much in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 10:30 PM
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I mean sure.. I suppose that could be interpreted as a disparagement but it's not a misogynistic one. Men can also be referred to as loose.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 10:24 PM
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That's not what the expression means. It refers to "loose morals".
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 10:23 PM
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Incel isn't the same thing as a virgin. But that's beside the point.. "loose" doesn't refer to anatomy. Men used to be called loose too. It refers to loose morals. Maybe it's just an older expression that younger people don't understand?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 10:00 PM
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Loose is just slang for promiscuous. Why is that so bad to say? I genuinely don't understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 09:19 PM
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Loose just means promiscuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 09:18 PM
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What did he say that was so bad exactly? Loose just means promiscuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 09:17 PM
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Sure but that's still part of market dynamics -- you can negotiate harder if your position is in demand. You can't negotiate jack if you're applying to Walmart.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 09:13 PM
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Not "considered less important" -- jobs that are lower paying due to supply and demand. Female fashion models earn more than their male counterparts. There's more demand. Nobody is paid based on how important someone thinks their job is. They're paid the least amount possible given the specific market dynamics. Sometimes that's not very much (fast food workers) and sometimes that's a lot (professional athletes).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 07:17 PM
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It's not always the case but it certainly can be the case that the sellers of sex exploit the buyers financially and the buyers exploit the sellers sexually. Explicitly monetizing sexuality can definitely bring out the worst elements of humanity.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 09:47 PM
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Chad still needs social skills and charm. A really good looking autistic guy is still not going to be slaying poon non-stop.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 07:53 PM
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Spoken like a man that hasn't banged very many hot women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 07:51 PM
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Correct but the advent of birth control won't change the hardwired psychology of women similar to how men have more sexual jealousy than women due to paternal parental uncertainty even though there are DNA tests now. It's the same reason why people are more afraid of snakes and spiders than they are of riding a motorcycle. Our society is modern but our brains are the same as they were in the Stone Age. Women with 30+ body counts generally have more psychological issues than less promiscuous wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 10:26 PM
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Some women are just as vicious.. in different ways. Paternity fraud, manipulating divorce laws to their maximum advantage, etc. These forums you describe would be fine if everyone had good intentions but that’s not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 08:31 AM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 02:01 AM
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The same way that women would vet men before doxing forums on the Internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 12:14 AM
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It's definitely unethical because it's not possible to ensure that this information isn't misused or falsified. Want to know if a man has been arrested for domestic violence? Do a criminal background check. Want to avoid STDs? Insist on seeing recent tests before you have sex. Want to avoid cheaters? Vet the man as best as you can and look for red flags. Don't go for guys out of your league or with dark triad personality traits. Sometimes people (men and women) cheat. That's just a part of life …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 11:54 PM
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The idea is mainly to help women avoid serial cheaters and domestic abusers dox men. Fixed it for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 11:44 PM
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$$$
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 11:41 PM
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Except that it does and data backs it up. I'm a high n-count man and I've dated high and low n-count women. In my own personal experience and in the data, less promiscuous women have less mental health issues and psychological problems. That's only correlation not causation but there's definitely something going on. It's not in women's nature to be highly promiscuous -- a little promiscuous, sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 08:07 AM
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No it's not hypocritical. Women say they want a man that's 6 feet tall but almost none of them are 6 feet tall. Men and women are attracted to and value different things. There's essentially almost no women that value virginity in men but most men would at least have respect for an attractive woman that doesn't sleep around.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 08:01 AM
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I don't know that many men would say with a straight face that there aren't 30 year old women that look just as good as early 20s women. The issue is their accelerated timeline for making a relationship super serious and getting married/pregnant that is a big turnoff. Plus the 23 year old will still be and look young in 5 years. The 30 year old woman might or might not.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 07:25 AM
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I think a lot of the women on PPD and elsewhere that say they're not attracted to older men, etc. are usually very young.. like 23 or under. Once women get to the age of like 25 or 26, it's super common to see them dating men 5-10 years older.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 07:22 AM
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Not all his, just majority his. Usually the man makes more income.. sometimes significantly more. But really this applies to the higher earning spouse not men specifically.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 11:10 PM
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Agree. It's just scaling up a typical example to make the problems with the current status quo more obvious. Similar to how having 1000 doors in the Monty Hall Problem makes the solution more intuitive than only 3 doors.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 10:52 PM
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Haha maybe my comment was a bit aggressive but it gets frustrating reading the same, tired, nonsensical responses here. I guess I should go touch grass. "He's not losing half his assets because only the marital assets are divided." Yes -- the "marital assets" which would mostly be "his assets" without the marriage contract. Using the contract itself to argue that the contract is fair. Of course "marital assets" being divided "equitably" is fair if you agree to all of those definitions in the str…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 10:46 PM
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Are you talking about rom-coms? The media targeted at men is porn and video games.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 10:39 PM
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That's not really the argument though. The issue is about the fairness of divorce law to higher earning spouses. The extreme examples prove, to me and many others, that the laws are not fair or reasonable. If anything, less wealthy men should be more careful because they'll feel the financial hit much harder even if the overall dollar amount is smaller.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 09:22 PM
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If anything, this post proves that women will cling to whatever nonsense information they can find on the Internet and twist it into some seemingly convincing argument in order to keep the marriage and child support grift alive. Stay safe out there men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 09:07 PM
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Pre-nups don't cover child support. His children are not going to live in poverty regardless of court involvement -- that is just hyperbole. He earned the $400 million and his ex didn't earn jack squat. It doesn't matter what the average man earns.. he can still take a significant hit in the US family court system. The extreme examples prove how outrageous the laws are.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 09:02 PM
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Why should the kids quality of life suffer? There's no kid that is going to "suffer" with 50-100k/yr of support versus 1M+/yr. If the dad still wants to buy his kids first class airfare, he can do that at his own discretion. The issue men have with these court ordered payments is not about money being spent on the kids. The issue is that the money is likely not being spent only on the kids and is funding the unemployed mother's lavish lifestyle especially as the amount of money involved goes up.…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 08:55 PM
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https://youtu.be/c0UEM5wHie4?t=135 Private investigator here says "you better know exactly what you're doing, the big game now is to see who can bust the prenup". From 2013 Forbes article about busting prenups: Until recently, prenups were considered difficult to void. Implying that now they are not considered difficult to void. Reference: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jefflanders/2013/04/02/five-reasons-your-prenup-might-be-invalid/
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 08:51 PM
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Correct. Prenups are contracts, and contracts can be challenged and thrown out. This is nothing new. I'm aware that it's "nothing new". You're arguing against yourself though. You said previously to "get a prenup" if you don't like the rules and now you say "oh yeah, those can be thrown out. this is nothing new". So, which one is it? It's not really an argument to "just get a prenup" if you can't trust that it will be upheld. One is gambling at that point with potentially very high stakes. So...…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 08:43 PM
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Yes it does. It debunks the red pill claim that divorce is financially advantageous for women. Not it doesn't. It only shows that women who get divorced would be better off financially if they had stayed married. If anything, this stat implies the opposite of what you think it does: that women significantly upgrade their standard of living by getting married and the gravy train just slows down a bit when they get divorced. Where would these women be, all else equal, if there was no "community pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 08:32 PM
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Or get a prenup. You want that tradcon life, then you take the good with the bad. Prenups can be challenged and thrown out. It's becoming more common. Yeah, except child support is based on your income. So if you're being ordered to pay a million, that means you're making well more than a million. And we contend that this is stupid and unfair. When these insanely high "child support" payments are granted, they are obviously going to fund the ex-spouse's lavish lifestyle and not for basic needs o…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 08:23 PM
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This is all casuistry. Child support is not awarded based on how much it costs to raise a child, it's based on the income of the higher earning spouse (depending on the state). This can result in ridiculously high payments in some cases. See: Kevin Costner paying $130,000 per month in child support. It's an extreme example but it proves that there is significant risk for the higher earning spouse. I addressed this previously but the stat that women end up financially worse off after divorce prov…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 08:14 PM
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Not that I think this lady is a pillar of the community but welfare is a tiny percentage of our taxes. Most of our taxes are going to pay for old people and the Pentagon buying $10,000 toilet seats.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen18/09/23 08:21 PM
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This mainly applies to large urban areas where the majority of ambitious, big-dicked men live.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 08:11 AM
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There are three types of lies: lies, damn lies and statistics.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 08:08 AM
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You're not supposed to say the black pill stuff out loud, bro. Can confirm that if you are a good looking guy with a big dick in your 30s or 40s, you can definitely acquire a harem if that's your thing -- and some of them will be down for threesomes. Not all of the women are going to be attractive 20s women but some will be. A full roster of only hot, early 20s women is some gigachad shit. Edit: I just realized OP's post is anti self-improvement. I disagree with this mindset. If you get in shape…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 07:54 AM
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Correct. So what culture is going to replace our current one then? The only place left in the world that still has truly high birth rates is Sub-Saharan Africa.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 07:41 AM
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It's a conflict between their rational mind thinking "if men asked for explicit consent then women would be safer" and their instinctual mind that drives sexual attraction and is turned off by awkward, vibe-killing sexual questions. I don't think it's hypocrisy because the vast majority of women are probably not even aware of this contradiction or the full nature of what drives their sexual attraction. Same thing goes for men too. A lot of guys will probably think to themselves "I should avoid o…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 07:30 AM
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Because asking for explicit consent shows a lack of social skills. If you have good social skills, you can read the room. One of the biggest turn offs for women is poor social skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 07:09 AM
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True, it may be maladaptive but it's also not going away. We now have anti-venoms to treat any kind of snake bite but people are generally much more afraid of snakes than they are of riding motorcycles (even though riding a motorcycle is vastly more dangerous).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 05:44 PM
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Agree with everything you're saying here. I think there's still a difference between incrementally increasing your attractiveness and aiming for a watershed increase in status where you end up with 10 or 100 times more options than the average man. Two different strategies I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 11:16 PM
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Playing an instrument (to a high degree of mastery) Yoga teacher (Bikram said women would pay him a million dollars for a single sperm and he was in his 70s) Being a top chef (Bourdain said chefs were notorious sluts in his first book) Dance instructor Fashion designer Visual artist Novelist (successful male writers have tons of groupies) Stand-up comedian (groupies) Religious scholar (again, groupies) Basically, anything that isn't almost exclusively something that men are interested in and eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 11:12 PM
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Obviously skills that are more valued by society will get you further in life than niche skills. Bruce Lee did pretty well for himself with nun-chuck skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 11:04 PM
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Maybe not if they already have a full roster of more attractive women but it's a pretty common phenomenon for men to engage in casual sex with women less attractive than they are since it requires less effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 11:02 PM
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This isnt possible for most people That's precisely why it confers status. Status is a zero-sum game and status is definitely attractive to women. Most people, if they really spend the effort, can reach mastery of a skill or subject. It's more possible than becoming taller or wealthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 10:22 PM
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You'd definitely be able to bang women that are interested in basket weaving (or arts and crafts in general) if you were truly one of the best in the world. This is not a serious response. And a PhD in Mayan Civilization would definitely open doors as well. College profs often have more sexual access to young women than the average man.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 10:18 PM
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That's not true re: gaming or chess. I'm sure there are some groupies for you there too once you reach the top of the game.. just maybe not as many as some other areas of life. Agree that you need passion to get there. Find something you're passionate about and go all-in.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 09:59 PM
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I'm not disagreeing just adding to this. It's a dual-mating strategy for men (just as women have their own dual-mating strategy which they can optionally employ). Promiscuous women are simultaneously more attractive for short-term mating (less effort) and less attractive for long-term mating (paternal parental uncertainty). Promiscuity in women can be adaptive, just in a different way. It's a fast genes vs. slow genes thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 09:53 PM
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Correct and male sexual jealousy is also an evolved trait that is adaptive for procreation. The men who didn't care about being cucked would have been less likely to pass on their genes than the men who did which is why modern men care about promiscuity in women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 09:48 PM
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Pick a skill to acquire and become one of the best people in the world at it. Expertise in a domain confers status which is one of the primary qualities that women are attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 09:31 PM
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True but Chad is still going over to their apartment at midnight to turn them out. This is one reason why dating apps have been such a game changer. In Steven Pinker's book How the Mind works, he details a tribal society where the least attractive women were banished to a separate island from the rest of the tribe. These women still got pregnant and it was attributed to black magic. The reality was that men were simply taking boats to the other island in the dead of night and having sex with the…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 08:51 PM
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In general, doing things that are difficult are often viewed as accomplishments. For a man, having sex with many attractive women is difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 07:41 PM
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Male validation for women that didn't get that from their fathers.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 09:34 PM
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Preselection only applies to men. When men hit on married women, it’s probably because they think she’s easy and/or don’t have to worry about her wanting an LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 09:05 PM
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agree
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 08:36 PM
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They don’t have to make that choice, it’s just a choice that’s available to them. Not all women are into casual sex. I think a lot of the time they are not very realistic about casual sex leading to a relationship and end up regretting it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 08:17 PM
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Yes and the opposite is true for men. A young woman could have sex with a celebrity or athlete but they won’t get commitment. For a man, showing his willingness to commit can get a more attractive woman than he generally can for casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 08:14 PM
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Being in an LTR reduces testosterone in men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 03:51 PM
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I found this video by Dr. Grande to be illuminating on the subject: https://youtu.be/M1R_pRxj9Zg When viewed from the perspective of "Sexual Economics Theory", female sexuality is "valuable" and male sexuality is "worthless". There is indirect evidence that men and women subconsciously think this way which he covers in the video (men paying for dates, men paying for sex and women being more harshly judged for adultery across cultures are three examples but there are many more). From this perspec…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 03:11 PM
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Yes and no. Only women are getting flown to other countries on the basis of a DM conversation. Also, the only women sleeping with thousands of men are sex workers. It’s not exactly the same thing although there are some similarities I agree with you on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 07:35 PM
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The difference now, in addition to women earning more and only wanting men that earn more than them, is that men today must not only compete against other men at the bar, social group, etc. They must also compete against all the other men in the whole city (dating apps) and potentially the entire world (DMs on social media). It’s definitely a bit different now than in the pre-Internet world.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 07:25 PM
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I don’t have a dog in this race but in most stable relationships, the woman is generally at least somewhat more attractive than the man. Women going after men that are more attractive than them is not going to lead to a stable LTR most of the time which is usually what women are seeking.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 06:21 PM
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If you ask enough people for their opinion, you'll simply get the full range of possible opinions about something. Getting advice from someone you trust to give good advice is the important thing here not their age.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 06:06 PM
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It’s actually not a contradiction once you dig a bit deeper. It’s an example of a phenomenon in biology called Zahavian signaling or sending a costly signal of fitness. Just as the male peacock telegraphs to the female that “I’m so healthy, I can grow these useless feathers that slow me down and still escape predators” so does the human male who buys an expensive sports car telegraph “I have so many resources, I can afford to throw a bunch of them away.” The entire point is to set money on fire …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 06:57 AM
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You can think whatever you want, just trying to help you out brother as I’ve probably been in the game a bit longer. You’ll shoot yourself in the foot in the long run trying to attract women with money. You need to offer more than that to find a woman that actually cares about you. Or, if you really don’t care about any of that, just get a sugar baby. Probably cheaper than buying a car and expensive dates and all that stuff anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 04:25 AM
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Making a lot of money doesn’t make you high value. Having status makes you high value and high status men typically, but not always, have plenty of money. Having money itself will not automatically make women attracted to you. This is a pretty common mistake that men make, I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 04:11 AM
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Surprised more women aren’t saying bartender. Look out for those, ladies.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 10:28 PM
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Maybe it will help your perspective to imagine yourself getting the same level of attention as her but it’s also from men and they only want to rail you in the butt. Not as appealing, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 10:18 PM
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Because all those men know that women want them and have unlimited options. They have women throwing themselves at them non-stop. It’s actually probably a really weird experience to have that happen all the time as a man. It would be really hard not to see people as expendable after a while.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 08:36 PM
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I don’t think young women being less entitled necessarily means it’s easier to actually get a relationship with them. They have the most options relative to other women. Older women are easier to get dates with but they still have high or sometimes higher expectations than when they were younger. This is the paradox of dating older women. Not all of them though — some bring a peacefulness that comes with age and maturity that young women couldn’t match.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 08:29 PM
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What about SEAmaxxing?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 04:31 PM
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They got roped in and maybe don't understand their true value. Or they are fully committed to their wives (nothing wrong with that). A lot of the popular messaging you hear growing up will make you think that men and women peak around the same age (maybe a few years difference) and that a 35 year-old man is already "getting older". A 40 year-old man dating younger women is having a "midlife crisis". From dating app data, we now know that women peak at 18 and men peak as late as 50 (and certainly…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 08:17 AM
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Are older guys really scoring with these 9/10 40s women that often? At least, that was the hypothetical scenario you set up. I imagine that either having sex with a 5/10 early 20s woman or a 9/10 40s woman is pretty difficult, if not impossible, for most older men who don't have game, wealth, looks, etc. There could be other factors at play too. Dating really young women is going to be a bigger hassle. Same thing with highly attractive older women to be honest. Not all older men prioritize getti…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 08:09 AM
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Yeah, I think that's correct. Being in your 20s (and especially early 20s) as a woman somewhat equalizes your attractiveness with older, more beautiful women. It's probably easier to obtain the younger, average woman too as her expectations have not been inflated by a lifetime of hot girl treatment.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 08:00 AM
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They're only relatively rare because of the small pool of single, high status and good looking men who can pull it off. Leonardo Dicaprio could essentially have any woman on Earth and the women who say otherwise are capping as they're not beautiful or young enough to have that opportunity in the first place. The fact that some women in their 30s might think they don't have enough time to waste on such a dalliance with a top 1% older man is not a valid counter-argument. These same women would mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 07:56 AM
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Youth has inherent value which somewhat compensates for reduced attractiveness at a given age. A women in her 40s can only be a 9/10 for her age and could never hold a candle to her same self in her early 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 07:50 AM
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Right but your original point was, if I'm paraphrasing correctly, that most women get married at some point and that must necessarily be to a man and that some guys "struggle with the math" on this -- the implication being that the dating market is actually fair or relatively even (i.e. a bell curve) for men and women. Again, if I'm understanding correctly. Please correct me if I'm not. My contention is that this is not the "math" that is truly the issue at hand when talks of female hypergamy co…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 07:19 AM
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Not saying they weren't in the dating pool if it results in an LTR. I'm saying that once someone enters a monogamous LTR, they're out of the dating market and shouldn't be counted as being a part of it. Another valid way to conceptualize this is to look at the lifetime distribution of sexual partners for men and women. If 80% of all women's sexual partners over their entire lifetime are with 20% of all men, then the marketplace is still a skewed Pareto distribution and not a bell curve with fema…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 07:02 AM
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These are all just personal anecdotes and prove nothing. As much as I hate to say it, the fact that your friends were both in college and in frats means they were likely above average men to begin with. Also, there's a bit of a dichotomy between relationships that begin so early in life and later relationships. Most of these young love relationships (especially when the man is in his early to mid 20s) aren't likely to stand the test of time.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 06:41 AM
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I wrote an entire post about this that is waiting to be approved by the mods but, essentially, I think this perspective obscures the reality of the sexual marketplace by miscounting people who are not participating in the marketplace. If a woman marries Beta Bob at age 30 and had many chads as sexual partners when she was younger, that does not mean that Beta Bob was not left out of the dating pool up until the point that he got married nor does it mean that female hypergamy does not result in a…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 06:21 AM
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Blackpill wouldn't say that women should date 4/10 men. Blackpill would say that 4/10 men will be invisible forever unless they can rise above 4/10 through leg extension surgery, gymmaxxing, moneymaxxing, SEAmaxxing or some other method. Is there an equivalent blackpill for 4/10 women? I feel like you'd need to be more like a 1/10 or 2/10 before taking such a stark outlook as a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 05:47 AM
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They're still vetting, just for different things (short-term vs. long-term mating).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 05:36 AM
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I think the primary issue that some men have with hypergamy is that it necessarily leaves a lot of men out of the dating pool -- especially as the status of women rises in society. Hypergamy in women is both for better looking men than themselves (for short-term mating) and higher status men than themselves (for long-term mating). To be clear, I don't think there's anything wrong with any of this but I say that as a man who can successfully compete in the marketplace. For the men who can't compe…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 04:24 AM
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They are the equivalent in the sense that, either way, you are no longer participating in the heterosexual marketplace if that makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 04:00 AM
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You opted out of pursuing any relationship with a man though, correct? Your standards would only be subject to the criticism of being "too high" if your end goal was to secure a relationship with a man. Since that's no longer your goal, your standards are not relevant because you're not evaluating anybody against them. If your goal were to obtain marriage to a man and your high standards were the reason why you were unable to do that, then it would potentially be a fair criticism to say that per…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 02:36 AM
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Seriously, no judgement from me. I think that's a valid choice to make. I was just making the point that if a woman chooses to opt-out of the heterosexual dating market entirely (through remaining celibate indefinitely, having homosexual relationships, etc.) then it's no longer a conversation about having standards that are "too high" or "too low". You don't need any standards whatsoever regarding men if you're no longer seeking to date them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 02:22 AM
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You are entirely correct. We are currently in the societal process of reversion towards the polygynous, long-term genetic mean for human reproduction which is two women successfully reproducing for every man (and during some relatively brief periods of genetic history, as many as seventeen women for every man). Women have historically mated primarily with high status males and we're quickly headed back to that kind of society from a sexual perspective. In the future, women will more frequently s…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 01:46 AM
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I agree with you but doing things like marrying a woman or having a child through a sperm clinic or being celibate for the rest of your life is just opting out, right? Honestly, no shade against people who do these things but that's not really commentary about the dynamics between men and women at that point (what this sub is supposedly about, I think?).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 01:32 AM
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They browbeat them about it, which is what OP is posting about: men supposedly browbeating women into "lowering their standards".
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 01:28 AM
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Appreciate your perspective but that's not my take on it. I found this video by Dr. Grande to be illuminating on the subject: Sexual Economics Theory vs. Feminist Theory | MGTOW, INCEL, & Science When viewed from the perspective of "Sexual Economics Theory", female sexuality is "valuable" and male sexuality is "worthless". There is indirect evidence that men and women subconsciously think this way which he covers in the video (men paying for dates, men paying for sex and women being more harshly…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 10:47 PM
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Nobody gave a crap that Genghis Khan had a gut and a receding hairline lol. But Helen of Troy wouldn't have launched a thousand ships if she looked like Susan Boyle... You win this thread. Well played, sir.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 08:59 PM
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According to reality (I'm in my 40s and should probably be doing something more productive with my time than going on reddit but I digress). I don't doubt that plenty of men are interested in having sex with you. I'm saying that the chances of these same men proposing to you are lower now than they would have been when you were younger, all else being equal. Even men that do not wish to have children are still subconsciously attracted to fertility. It's in our DNA. The challenge for a woman is t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 08:54 PM
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Agree with this take. It's very useful to look at gay male relationships in comparison to straight relationships to see how women change the dynamic. For instance, based on some data I've seen, the average gay man has had at least ten times more lifetime sexual partners than the average straight man. It often seems like women are pretty in the dark as to men's true nature and only demonize men when they don't act like women rather than attempt to seek any real understanding or acceptance.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 08:46 PM
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Your sex appeal hasn't declined but your commitment/marriage appeal has definitely declined. Not all men can father children in their 80s but some can. I'm guessing that most men can easily father children into their 40s and 50s which is not true for women. It all comes down to biology. I definitely agree with you that "intelligent women generally prefer men closer to their age". However, their chances of actually locking that down for the long-term starts to drop pretty fast after age 30. At le…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 08:32 PM
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The thing is, it doesn't really matter if a given woman "looks better" at 32 than she did at 21. Being younger still has inherent value and men subconsciously factor that in. There's plenty of very attractive women in their 30s and 40s. Their SMV is still lower than it was in their 20s. Men are not constrained by biology in this way as they can father children indefinitely. Thus, a man in his 40s can (*can*, not will) have higher SMV than he did in his 20s. That's simply not possible for a woman…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 08:17 PM
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Japanese comedian Meshida has a video where he analyzes why marriage collapsed in Japan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ksgtVyvsqw He ends up with an unintentional red-pilled (I doubt he even knows what red pill is) take: Young women chase after rich Chads Once they hit the wall, they try to get Billy Beta to wife them up Billy Beta declines because he wants to marry a younger woman
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 09:41 PM
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A prenup does not fully negate the risk of a divorce. That's simply incorrect.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 10:44 PM
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this kind of stuff doesn't show up in google. you need to use legal search engines to find public records for cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 10:43 PM
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California is one. Florida was another until very recently. In any case, per OP's question "why should men get married?" -- it doesn't matter if the risk is relatively small for something like lifetime alimony. There is no commensurate benefit to offset this risk which makes it a bad deal for men. Unless your wife will earn more money than you. Then, by all means, go for it. This is the very easy and self-beneficial decision that most women are making.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 10:33 PM
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Yes I know. That's not what this post is about though. It's titled "why should men get married?"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 10:30 PM
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And if she was to lie, you could divorce her then. Yes, of course. And potentially lose assets and pay alimony (possibly for life). The question is, why should anyone take that risk? Re: permanent alimony. There's a group of permanent alimony recipients in Florida that lobbied against the new law. They're called the First Wives Advocacy Group. You could look into their stories and background if you're genuinely interested in finding some real-world examples: https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/fl…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 10:22 PM
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So it’s absolutely certain there’s no upside to marriage, like it’s absolutely certain the earth is round? Be reasonable. If there's so many obvious upsides for higher-earning men, then you should have no problem naming some. What are they? All you see in this thread are nebulous things like "forming a family" (can be done without marriage), having children (can be done without marriage) and legal protections (there is some merit to this but this mainly relates to stuff like end-of-life medical …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 10:20 PM
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Casual sex doesn't make women happy though. It makes them miserable.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 10:15 PM
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Cognitive dissonance. They're lying to themselves (in addition to other people). "I'm happier single" = "I'm in charge and doing great in life." "I get used for sex and can't find a man I want to commit." = "I'm a failure at relationships and picking men and it's mostly my fault." There's a powerful force in our minds to gravitate towards explanations that don't harm our self-image.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 10:13 PM
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A properly drawn up prenuptial contract can be successfully challenged on the basis of "duress" at the time of signing. What constitutes duress is not totally objective and can be litigated -- sometimes for years and at great expense.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 10:08 PM
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Many such cases in California and Florida. Not sure about other states. Florida recently passed a law eliminating lifetime alimony presumably because it was so unfair to some of the men involved. As for "rationally and intentionally" -- people change and people lie. Just because your girlfriend tells you that she wants to work after she gets married and the kids are old enough, it doesn't mean she actually will once she has plenty of financial incentive not to.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 09:51 PM
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It may not be a big deal for him but the fact that his wife could potentially be paid $43,000/hr for every hour they were married when they had a valid prenup in place is just one example of the absurdity of our legal system and how it can't be trusted enough to risk your financial future on. Even a small chance (unclear how big the risk actually is and depends on a lot of factors) is too big of a risk to take when it comes to your life savings -- especially when there's no upside.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 09:49 PM
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Because you can rationally and intentionally decide to do that if you want to. Also, the total cost is known to you upfront. Not the case when a judge decides to grant your ex-wife lifetime alimony.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 09:32 PM
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And what savvy man wants to wife-up a lower-earning woman who can take his kids and assets away at any moment and for any reason? Maybe they're equally bad arrangements for the other party (although at least with the forever girlfriend, everyone involved is intentionally carrying on the arrangement and there are no courts and lawyers involved). One arrangement is normalized and encouraged by society while the other isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 09:25 PM
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Divorce is beneficial to women if compared to what assets and income they would have had if they entered into and exited an identical romantic relationship without a marriage contract in place. OP's question is why should men get married at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 09:13 PM
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You are not betting that you won’t make a lot of money……but if you build a life with a stay at home spouse or a person that forfeits career development in favor of your development, then you have to pay for that in case of divorce. Yes, you have to pay for that in case of divorce. OP's question is, why should a higher-earning man (or woman) sign up for this? It's a bad deal. ​ I have no idea who Sergey Brith is but for prenups is valid what for all kinds of contracts is valid, do it along the li…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 09:08 PM
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Men work more, while women do more chores and child care. Sure, if you don't want to consider your property as "community property", you shouldn't get married, I wouldn't argue with it. In agreement with you here. I would recommend unmarried women in this case to seek a cohabitation agreement where she would be financially compensated for lost wages while she's staying home with children -- I don't see anything wrong with that. As far as marriage being financially beneficial for women or not, it…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 09:00 PM
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Let's say you earn 500k/yr as a man and your wife earns 50k/yr. Do you think you're going to be combining forces on all of your vacations and eating out or do you think the man is going to be paying for two people most of the time? It's a rhetorical question.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 08:54 PM
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"Half of both of your stuff" is because of "community property" and the marriage contract. The question is, why should a higher earning man agree to this? Maybe not a problem for most men but the more money you make, the bigger a problem it becomes. As a man, I'm basically betting that I won't make a lot of money in the future so don't worry about it? Why do that at all? Maybe not easily but it's possible. See: Sergey Brin. Why take the risk? What's the upside here? There's only downside. This i…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 08:45 PM
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Why does it matter how many prenups are successfully challenged? The fact that it's possible means you can't completely trust the court system as a high-earning man and that's potentially an unacceptable risk to take. The Sergey Brin case is not finished yet. He's currently litigating it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 08:32 PM
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So, a career professional in divorce law is biased in terms of his assessment of financial risks for men but you're certain that you're not?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 08:14 PM
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Based option is to have children via an egg donor and surrogate (use a surrogate in Eastern Europe or elsewhere to reduce the cost) and then live with your girlfriend. Nobody can take your kid away then.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 08:11 PM
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Even if they're done properly they can still be challenged. Look at what's happening with Sergey Brin right now and his wife asking for one billion dollars. She's also a lawyer which should, in theory, make it extremely difficult for her to say she didn't understand the contract. I think it's a safe assumption that he did the prenup "properly" given his resources and he still might get taken for a ride. She's claiming she was under duress because she was pregnant at the time the prenup was signe…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 08:01 PM
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Interesting point on women earning more money divorcing more frequently but there might be more to the story. For the lesser-earning spouse, there is a financial incentive to stay married (since you're vesting that sweet "community property" and years of alimony). For the higher-earning spouse, there's a financial incentive to divorce as soon as possible to limit the financial downside. Even if a woman cynically agrees to marriage for the sole purpose of obtaining assets, there may still be a st…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 07:56 PM
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Being a single parent doesn't have anything to do with marriage though. That also happens if you're never married and split (so does child support). "Community property gets divided 50/50" is an obscurantist statement. Most of the time the man is earning more money going into that community property pool -- sometimes way more. The only reason why it's "community property" is because of the marriage contract. The question is.. why is it worth it for a man who earns more to agree to "community pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 07:47 PM
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Why do people think reading my history on other reddits is a slam dunk? You know nothing about me. And yes, having a SAHM for kids that aren't yours is a super simp. She should be working.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 06:28 PM
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takes care of her 2 kids (previous marriage) So dude is a simp then.. wouldn't read too much into "what men want" based on this relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 11:16 PM
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Only solution is to become a billionaire first and then pretend to be a janitor at McDonald's like in Coming to America.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 05:58 PM
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This same erroneous reasoning has been applied to other "cultural beauty standards" such as men's preference for women with fairer skin. Even though there are examples of other cultures that had this preference before any contact with Europe (Japan is one example but there are others). The simple fact is that women all over the world prefer men that are significantly taller than the average for their country.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 07:10 PM
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Ever been to Northern Europe? There are some built-in limits that have prevented all humans from being 8 feet tall: 1) extremely tall women are less attractive to men and 2) extremely tall people have more back problems and (I think) a shorter lifespan on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 07:00 PM
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It's projection. They don't exercise enough self-restraint when it comes to sex (and possibly feel bad about themselves because of it) so they assume other people have the same problem. Also, assuming they do feel about themselves, redirecting those negative feelings onto someone else can provide some (unhealthy) psychological relief.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 06:12 PM
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It's almost as if taking advice on dating and men from obese, man-hating lesbians (many of the intellectuals behind modern feminist thinking fall into this category) is not the best recipe for success.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 07:26 PM
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Belief in astrology is positively correlated with narcissism: The main result showed that the higher the narcissism, perhaps surprisingly, the higher the belief in astrology. The positive association is possibly due to the self-centered worldview uniting them, though this must be examined in further research. Furthermore, cultural aspects of millennials may emphasize the uniqueness of individuals which might lead to a more egocentric view of the world, and thus relate to narcissistic traits. Bel…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 07:18 PM
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you'll be back
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 06:47 AM
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Well, by definition, they are going hog wild. They wouldn't have STDs otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 06:45 AM
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True.. higher status/more attractive men would have been a better description.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 10:00 PM
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Women can get casual sex from higher value men (athletes, celebrities) than they can get commitment from. Conversely, it's the opposite for men. The phrase is accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 07:43 PM
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A wise man once told me, "It's painful not to be known."
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 05:07 PM
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Because a man's standards for a casual partner are lower than for an LTR (he can also get a better partner for LTR with the additional value of a commitment). For women, it's the opposite. A woman could have a casual relationship with a famous athlete or musician but never an LTR. Sometimes everything still lines up for a hookup to turn into an LTR but it's the exception to the rule. As an aside, good sex and "vibe" is a female-centric perspective on why to enter an LTR. For men, there are other…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 04:43 PM
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That's incorrect. Short men don't date tall women because the tall women don't want them. Statistically the two traits women find most attractive in men is height and income. For men it's youth and beauty.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 05:46 PM
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Women don't enjoy getting pumped and dumped for the most part though. Sure, some young women may engage in a lot of casual sex but most pretty quickly figure out that it only makes them unhappy in the end.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 10:46 PM
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fyi, penultimate doesn't mean "super ultimate"
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 09:31 PM
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Yes, that's why humans are so intelligent. Most physical and psychological traits present in humans today were subject to sexual selection at some point in the past -- primarily by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 12:32 AM
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True free will, yes. Metaphorical free will or our human experience of free will is very real. It's the basis of the justice system. People do have a choice in the conscious sense even if their conscious choice is not technically causal in the scientific sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 06:50 AM
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they are damaged though
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 05:17 AM
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you are correct. it's probably closer to 1,000 than it is to 100.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 05:14 AM
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based on my experience, whatever she says multiply it by 5
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 06:32 PM
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yoga classes. especially the early morning ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 07:03 AM
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