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Women: would you date men
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 05:36 AM
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Probably a trans, bi, or other queer man. I don't think there's any universe where I'd want a cishet man. Child-free. I wouldn't care about what career he has as long as he's working- I'd be fine with it if I made more than him too. I would want equitable domestic labor and he needs to be emotionally intelligent, expressive, and empathetic. Feminist too
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 09:57 AM
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Why are we making this about my personal sex life?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 05:47 AM
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Imagine being so judgmental of what two consenting people enjoy that does no harm to anyone else. Like what? Why? Also, like, women who've received anal have reported it being pleasurable before... not in the same way as stimulating a prostate I imagine, but it's not like it's unpleasurable to those women who do like it. And there's absolutely nothing that inherently makes it gay for men. People made that up; and even if it is objectively gay(it's not), there's nothing wrong with being gay. If a…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 05:40 AM
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Yeah, I view men as my enemy too, so fair. I'm lesbian tho so doesn't matter lol But alright, it's mutual good byes
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 05:16 AM
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It's 2026 bro... women are working, in fact more gen z women are working than gen z men. Working gen z women are also out-earning working gen z men. It's actually you who would be expecting a woman to work for a soul-crushing thankless faceless corporation to just come home and do all the cleaning and cooking for a male NEET that plays video games and gets high all day. This is the current dating market. Okay, so you have those friends who say that. I am a lesbian super involved in my local lesb…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 04:34 AM
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All real words were made up. No known language has existed without humanity making it up. Just because your vocabulary is limited to roughly 40k words, it doesn't mean the other million+ English words aren't real. (Not a jab at you btw. Average person only knows ~40k words. I probably don't know a lot more than that myself. But there are over a million English words. I don't go around calling ones I haven't heard of before "made up.") They're called instincts and biological imperatives but ok...…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 04:17 AM
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Nope. I was saying the gender roles that are often expected in hetero dating is a problem. There are some straight people who don't push those roles on each other though
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 03:57 AM
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Yeah, that's not what I'm suggesting but it's interesting you jumped to a creepy and predatory misinterpretation of my post. I wasn't suggesting to date the same gender; if you take a look at all the discussions that have been going on, no one else interpreted it this way, since I didn't say that, but they understood I was talking about the gender roles that exist in hetero dating. You should ask yourself why you took it that way. Might need to leave your lesbophobic prejudices at the door next …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 03:47 AM
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Still, there's not really a good reason to rely on this study to definitively conclude this about lesbian relationships as a whole with the multiple issues with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 11:31 PM
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Divorce rate =/= relationship satisfaction and happiness. Women are more likely to initiate divorce. We do not tolerate relationship dissatisfaction as much(which, imo is a good thing.) When you measure specifically relationship satisfaction, lesbians do not have lower rates of that compared to straight and gay male couples. To me, this suggests that lesbians are most likely to leave when there is dissatisfaction while the other two groups are more likely to stay in an unsatisfying relationship.…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 11:23 PM
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So, I decided to combine both of my now-deleted comments and also adjust one to look at the study more in-depth. Here's where to download the study as a pdf since where you linked was behind a paywall. First, assuming(big assumption) it's true that woman-woman relationships have more IPV, they have two forms of minority stress: homphobia and misogyny. Gay men do not deal with the latter and get to have the benefits of being men under patriarchy. Secondly, that study has a very small sample of se…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 11:02 PM
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Interestingly, I've run into more lesbians that seem to want to use me for sex than enter a relationship quickly. But I think that's where my being a trans woman complicates things. People usually see us as sex objects significantly more than most other groups and don't see us as relationship material. They want to fuck the tr*nny in private but don't want to be seen dating us. But yeah, you're right we tend to into relationships quickly. Removing being trans out of the equation, where two of my…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 10:28 PM
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You know, funny enough, that study you linked proves what I was saying. Look at what I said in number 2 of my original comment with you. Then look at the framework it's using to analyze why it found higher IPV rates amongst wlw couples. (it's minority stress) That is something that doesn't say there's something inherently wrong with lesbian relationships, but that the problem is society's lesbophobia which adds to our stress, and stressed people are more likely to be short-tempered and lash out
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 10:16 PM
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Sigh. People really don't use critical thinking and will believe what they want to believe about outgroups. Look at those IPV studies with critical thinking. If it's the one I'm thinking of you've seen, it's looking at lifetime prevalence of IPV from any partner, including ones of any gender. So the "lesbian" ipv rate is simply when a lesbian has experienced IPV, not when it's woman-on-woman. So if you subtract the men who have commited IPV against a lesbian in their entire lifetime, it amounts …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 09:55 PM
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That does suck... yeah they should honestly believe you when you tell them you don't have these expectations. I believe you that dating must be hell in your circumstances
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 09:46 PM
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I think something like this takes a lot of time to overcome. Evolution is a slow process, so I wouldn't say that only 60 years of trying, and it not being fully overcome, is failing. One interesting field within genetics is epigenetics. Behavior and environment can shape how your genes or descendent's genes express themselves or if they activate or not if they were dormant. Stuff is not strictly hard-wired. Your genes, themselves, change expression even in your own lifetime.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 09:37 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 09:32 PM
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Sure, sure, we do have our own issues, though I think most of which boil down to one or more of a few things. Women who are brand new to dating women and haven't done the work to undo a heteronormative mindest - or even those who've been lifelong lesbians who somehow internalized messaging so they adopted heteronorms into homonorms (i.e expecting the masc lesbian to take on the roles of a man and the femme the roles of a woman) We have increased minority stress that occurs from lesbophobia. This…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 09:30 PM
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We have tried that. When?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 09:26 PM
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Probably between the two of us, I know more lesbians lol and I think I'm in a better position to speak about the lesbian community as a lesbian and studier of queer studies.. also presumably you've not dated any and I doubt you're trying to be active within lesbian spaces irl (those two things are true of me though).. though if you are in lesbian spaces, you should really stop. Men shouldn't be there and it's kinda creepy if you are. At any rate, you are free to check out online lesbian spaces o…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 09:17 PM
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I'll take that $20 since he won't 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 08:28 PM
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Yeah, those people can def feel that way. Like, the "do what you want to vet people for the partner you want" mentality applies to both OP and the people who think the men aren't really interested if they don't pay. Both are valid to vet for their own reasons lol And thanks!! Hehe
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 08:21 PM
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It's not exactly a choice, but you're also not exactly born that way. I've talked about it before . One might say estrogen turned me from a bi man into a lesbian for example
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 08:01 PM
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I don't get why this is a debate. Is there really anyone here who'd be like "no, you must always pay" instead of telling you that you should do what you want to vet who you want as a partner? Like, we all are supposed to being doing stuff that vets for the type of partner we want. That's the whole point of the dating and getting to know each other process
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 07:49 PM
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What men do makes no difference to me as long as they leave me alone. I'm not dating them anyways nor are they meaningfully part of my life at all. What you mentioned in number 1 about initiating dates or approaching sounds amazing though. Yes please. Let other women be the only ones that approach me instead. Well, if I was single anyway. Also, I think maybe you're conflating women with feminism. Feminists are a minority of women. Yes, feminists would actually like most of what you're suggesting…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 04:23 PM
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Hey! Just because I'm more feminine than my gf and am lesbian doesn't mean I'm hypergamous and she makes more than me! I mean, she does make more than me... but not because I'm lesbian, more feminine, and hypergamous!! <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 04:11 PM
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I don't see how the two positions are logically inconsistent at all. Why wouldn't someone who was hoping for deeper connection, who got led on to believe that was possible, but then is used for sex feel grossed out or upset about it? It's also not uncommon for rape survivors to feel disgusted with themselves but that doesn't suddenly mean it's their fault or anything. Sometimes people victim-blame themselves, and a woman who got selfishly used by a man internalized messaging y'all feed women tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 11:02 AM
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Thanks 😊
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 12:32 AM
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Lol thanks!!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 12:00 AM
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Nope, but I also kinda changed my flair too recently 😅
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 11:55 PM
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Haven't seen a poor women desperate enough to clean clogged gutters. Regardless of if that's true, it would mean there's less supply of workers for that job. Either women would step up for it, or a way of automating it so people don't have to do it would be invented. Pretty easy to say that women would rather sell themselves instead of earning a respectable living and even in that scenario they would blame the men for having lust lol. There's demand for it(men) and women are often discriminated …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 07:00 PM
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but whatever BS you think would work is basically no bread for anyone. That's baseless conjecture about a system that hasn't existed yet. most jobs held by women can be done by men far easily than the opposite. I don't think there are any jobs either gender can do that the other can't. This is just misogyny, plain and simply. Anyways, you didn't respond to the vast majority of my comment, so I can only assume you've conceded those points
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 06:46 PM
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Feminism [capitalism] is basically reducing most men [and women] to their labour output Fixed it for you. Though, liberal feminism would be doing this since it upholds capitalism. But not feminism as a whole as radical, socialist, anarcha, and more feminisms are opposed to capitalism. where most social programs are funded by men's money So, I think stepping back a bit is important here. Women's works is undervalued, as evident by the devaluation and feminization effect, where careers that were m…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 06:31 PM
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I don't have time to retype what I've typed up before but the "born this way" narrative is rejected in the academic field of Queer studies and I go over a buncha reasons why here.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 08:25 AM
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Okay, I could see why the latter part might come off that way. I should probably see if any evidence exists for the the part about straight women wishing they were gay - but I brought that up because I frequently see that expressed. Maybe it's my algorithms though 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 08:23 AM
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Thanks for the kind support! I did read your entire comment and you rose a ton of good points that I would like to respond more thoughtfully but cant at the moment as I should sleep soon. But I do agree with a number of your points and might have a little bit to challenge you on once I come back to this
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 08:20 AM
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Yes, but the trend is that it's rising. It may be lagging behind for various reasons, such as that it's a lot easier for straight couples to have children. But how far will the trend go is the question? And that lag may not exist anymore once those technologies I talked about developed and more widespread Eta: and the trend is more pronounced for female same-sex households to add further to what I'm saying in the OP
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 08:16 AM
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Explain. How is this fetishy?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 08:13 AM
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I don't think you read my post. We can get those relationships with women. We don't need to with men
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 08:09 AM
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Well, I have a little something to share with you. I figure I'd link to where I've talked about it previously, but I'll quickly summarize it. The "born this way" narrative isn't entirely true but is rejected in queer studies due to sexual fluidity and recognition that it was a homonorm, that is a heteronorm(in this case bioessentialism) adopted for the advancement of queer rights. I'll highlight the biggest pieces of evidence. In epigenetics, behaviors and environmental factors play a role in th…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 08:05 AM
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Young men's singlehood is rising though while women's is not so much
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 07:50 AM
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Yes, it's largely driven by bi women. But again, why would they want to date a man given everything else I pointed out? Right now it's a bit desired mostly because straight relationships are more accepted and easier to get into. But if that changes... Regarding the biology: um, as I pointed out, in vitro gametogenesis is actually around the corner. It's already been successfully tested in animals. We just gotta start doing clinical trials in people. Probably the manipulation of the sexuality pol…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 07:46 AM
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Yep. And since men don't pull their weight with domestic labor, give orgasms less to women compared to women giving orgasms to women, have a higher rate of dark triad traits, more likely to hold regressive and misogynistic views, more likely to commit rape and intimate partner homicide... men have competition that just blows them out of the water tbh. There's no reason women need men for anything other than maybe a sperm donor if she wants kids. Though, us trans women could play that part grante…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 07:03 AM
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Okay, yeah, that assessment of me I would say is true. I'm a good active listener, warm-hearted and all that, as I have the career goal of being a therapist and you know, those are the skills and qualities therapists have. And I work as a behavior technician too, so already implement ABA therapy
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 06:52 AM
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I'm trying to remember what AI tool that rates your looks is common amongst the manosphere, but I used it out of curiosity at one point and it put me as a 4/8, so literally I'm mid. I'm also socially anxious and timid asf and have shut-in tendencies(though, I can't anymore be a shut-in since I'm finally not unemployed after 6 years of being unemployed/a NEET, and I'm also in school finally now.) Pretty much all the usual common qualities incels have, only I'm not an incel
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 06:43 AM
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Oh I'm not red pill in terms of what this sub means actually. "OG" is doing a lot of lifting there, but I mean the original meaning behind TRP that the Wachowski sisters intended in the Matrix. Which is waking up to the reality of one's transness and to transition. Estrogen used to be a red pill in the 90s when the Matrix was written... though is interestingly now a blue pill in the highest dosage and a purple pill in the lower dose.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 06:37 AM
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You should be asking why I'm an outlier. I think it's because I'm focused on commitment personally
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 06:36 AM
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Wtf... how is that relevant here?? You're obviously not reading what I write so idk that there's any purpose to continue debating with you if you're just gonna ignore what's said and talk over it
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 06:31 AM
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Dude... you clearly didn't read beyond the title. Here's a paragraph from the article: Our research found that, across 15 years, young women have steadily become less likely to report being exclusively attracted to the other sex. In 2011, about 22% of female students reported attraction that was not exclusively to men; by 2026, that had increased to close to 50%. Similar movement appeared across sexual behavior and identity: The share of women who reported not having exclusively male sexual part…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 06:24 AM
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Either I'm an anomaly or like there's some truth to what I'm saying. Not only am I trans but also a level 2 autist. Look up how single autistic people(in particular autistic men) are. And again, even when living as a man, I was never single for a long time.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 06:19 AM
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You're saying queer women have less sex than incels?? How is it possible to have less sex than no sex? lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 06:13 AM
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It’s not like those women are dating each other. Actually...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 06:09 AM
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No. Men have a harder time getting access to casual dating and sex. Women have a harder time with finding a committed, long-term partner. More men want the former than women do. More women want the latter than men. Since men are on dating apps to just casual date many women, while women are on them for finding commitment, it means that men stay on them longer because they aren't settling down. The women are settling down so they delete the apps once they have(or they give up once they realize ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 06:05 AM
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That's you. Other women can feel differently and I don't think it's okay to say they must agree with that premise because they made a different choice than you
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 02:16 PM
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Sure, yeah, that works if you met online or through a dating app. It's not the only place you might meet a date though, which if it's not, and it's through a common place you go to (i.e work, school, the gym etc) then it means you're gonna be forced to interact and it's not as easy as just pressing a button to end the interaction
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 02:10 PM
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Yeah, I'm not saying you need to do this. I'm only going through what's the likely thought process behind paying half - it's not because of what OP suggested that we agree with the man's premise nor is it giving credence to it
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 02:01 PM
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Okay, but it's also emotional labor to set the boundary and stand your ground. So say we do allow the man to pay for the date and now he feels entitled. Now what? Don't we have to tell him to fuck off? That itself is emotional labor too since we are telling him he's wrong to feel that way. It's still trying to force him to manage his expectations. It's a no-win situation regardless of what you do, at least in terms of avoiding having to do emotional labor
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 01:54 PM
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I don't think it means the woman is agreeing with the man's premise but rather she wants to avoid evoking entitlement in the man. She can disagree with the idea the man deserves her body if he paid for it fully, but simply be paying half to avoid him feeling entitled. If I had some behavior that made men feel entitled to me, and I choose to change my behavior, I'm not necessarily saying I agree with the conclusion the man came to that he deserves my body. I am simply doing it to avoid him feelin…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 01:48 PM
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That wording is so confusing. So then your position in the title would be more like: "If you pay for half to avoid men feeling entitled to your body, then you agree with the man that they would be entitled when he pays for it by himself." Because, I mean, there are other reasons to pay half so your position would be specifically if you do it to avoid him feeling entitled
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 01:39 PM
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Haiii :3 so u/AverageTDude and I created this gang where we reclaim the red pill to the original meaning that the Wachowski sisters intended. You should join us!!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 01:31 PM
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Oh hai!! So u/AverageTGuy and I created this little gang where we reclaim the red pill to the original meaning the Wachowski sisters intended. You should join us 😊
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 01:30 PM
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*reads the title* That's bait *reads the rest* Ohh OP forgot a "not" before "agreeing"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 01:14 PM
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I'm also autistic but I don't have an issue with dating women? I was also celibate a good long while. During that while I dated other asexual women. I also tend to attract other autistic women. But I suspect maybe you're not interested in dating the women who fall under your demographic because you don't see them as attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 02:01 AM
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Oh, I missed that sentence. Yeah, that's fucked up then. If you only view women attractive for their reproductive role, then you're misogynistic af. That adds another reason you're not doing well with dating
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 01:56 AM
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Bro, early 20s women aren't dating 40+ yo men. The reason you're struggling is because women do on average date 3-5 years older than them. Which means the women girls who are interested in you are minors, which obviously they wouldn't be doing because that's illegal. The women your age are dating 21-23 yo old men. So it's not uncommon for 18-21 yo men to overwhelmingly be single because of that. Then, add in this fact that more gen z women are gay than gen z men and you're not only competeing wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 01:53 AM
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Thank you 🫶
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 07:35 AM
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Hehe maybe! 🤭 Well, first, the ace microlabel I was was caedsexual which that trauma I'd say contributed also a lot to antisex views and sex-repulsion. I've been in therapy a lot for the trauma so it seems like maybe my sexual attractions came back from healing from it. Two exes ago, we were ace4ace and, well with her I started to develop sexual feelings again near the end and was going back on things like if maybe I was demisexual but then I also was getting sexual attraction to other women aft…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 07:30 AM
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Haha thanks 🤭 and oh I am not so ace anymore tbh. Kinda had been questioning things and I figured out I'm not ace anymore (very recent development, like a week ago I was certain of it.)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 07:21 AM
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Yeah you might be right on that. I do have like 10 cis lesbians in my dms on Taimi rn and I just created it a couple days ago 😅 so it probably is more in reality. And a lot more bi/pan woman swiped right on me(could probably have tens more women in my dms if I swipe right on those bi/pan women) I haven't created profiles elsewhere yet because I wanna take more pics worthy of dating apps. Though, maybe I don't need to if this is how it is with what I already have up 🙃 Eta: also this is a vastly d…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 07:16 AM
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Not generally, no. I feel like far more aren't open to it, and a study on that found it to be the case, like 85% of lesbians wouldn't date a trans woman(and weirdly, slightly more would date a trans man), but despite that I surprisingly have been having some good luck attracting some cis lesbians! I don't know how I am doing it though. Like it's a huge, but pleasant, surprise
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 07:02 AM
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Ah, yeah, I prefer dating lesbians over bi women tbh(for unconventional reasons). I lean a bit les4les, but if a bi woman approaches me and there's attraction, I won't say no. I don't like to seek them out specifically though. There's a certain type of gender euphoria(I'm trans) that comes from being with another lesbian that I don't get from a bi woman. So my most recent ex is lesbian and a lesbian woman I'm currently seeing/talking with seems promising it's going somewhere! But yeah, as you ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 08:11 PM
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Yep. It's why a woman isn't respected if she has a high body count, and if it's women-on-women most men don't mind it at all and might not see it as real sex(hence some men are okay with their gf playing around with other women, but not with another man.) Fucking men apparently makes you lose value lol which imo says a lot more about how society sees men as corrupting or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 07:30 PM
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Yeah I was gonna say, the OP as it's written is fairly out of touch with how men are. It's not common to find a man who wants all what feminists want. They don't want to practice emotional intelligence or have an equal relationship(as you said they want to dominate a woman.) I'm glad I'm lesbian because well, wlw are much more likely to be feminist so I'll be able to find another feminist, and yeah don't have to deal with men who wanna treat me so poorly
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 02:29 PM
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My standards for men are so high they'd have to become women to meet them tbh. So sure, please avoid unless you're willing to do that. You have to go so far as to undo your male socialization that taught you to see women as bangmaids, the male entitlement, get rid of your testosterone, take the og red pill (estrogen which nowadays is actually a blue pill at the 2mg dose but meh you know what I mean), and chop off your dick and all that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 02:46 AM
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Well, the reason I think it's shallow is most of them are entirely focused on selfies and allow maybe like 500 characters between a summary or the prompts it has. You can't really get much from that about other people and you can't make it unshallow from that because that's the design of them. They force shallowness There are some apps and online dating that go beyond that, might be focused on things like a match percentage and allowing longer bios and things, but they're kinda the exception and…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 12:12 AM
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That's so true. God I hate how prevalent rape culture is. I'm tired, sis
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 01:25 PM
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Do you think the researchers would be that incompetent to leave it open ended to interpreting it as neutral? It's said they "sexually aggressed" so do you think they'd use that phrasing if the woman simply started out as neutral and the guy was just trying to get her in the mood or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 11:59 AM
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You shouldn't have to be given an explicit no. People communicate a no in many ways. I've had some people look visibly uncomfortable when just having a friendly conversation and I picked up on that and I say goodbye and leave them alone. It's just the courteous thing to do to respect ones right to associate or disassociate with someone. And with sex it's so much more important.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 11:54 AM
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I think the most telling thing here is this: This research was designed to focus on men who admit to having intentionally and knowingly sexually aggressed against a woman who they knew did not want sex nor consented to it, including strategies to overcome her reluctance, circumstances, motivations, and positive and negative outcomes. So some of the methods sound harmless to you but they're being used when the woman had already expressed not wanting to. It doesn't really matter what the method is…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 11:42 AM
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Regarding genders hating each other: I'd wonder how much of that is down to women being more honest on a self-report or more self-aware. I mean, I'm self-aware of my disdain for men but I get the vibe most men claim to like women but then treat us like shit. My experience suggests a lot sexualize me. Some don't - like my close friend since middle school doesn't, my gay roommate doesn't(though he does conveniently leave almost everything for me to clean 🙄 so treats me poorly in that way.) but yea…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 09:56 AM
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It'll be great for the environment in the long term. Every human has an unprecedented environmental footprint in modern society - so fewer of us would be good
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 08:32 AM
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Have you ever considered different women feel differently and that perhaps the women you see who dread a friend developing feelings aren't the same ones who say friends first? I am totally cool with a girl friend developing feelings for me and if she wants to change our status from girl friends to girlfriends - it won't bother me even if I don't reciprocate those feelings. Though, I do have a problem if a guy friend confesses feelings for me because any friend I have will know I'm lesbian so a g…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 08:23 AM
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To the best of my knowledge
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 08:11 AM
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I'm not the same woman you had responded to at the top of this comment thread But I would say that your OP is misrepresenting the why women complain about being used. There might be some who were wrong about it, but I think most of the time when women complain about being used, it's because they were made to believe a relationship was the man's intent
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 07:51 AM
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https://preview.redd.it/ln1f1nhxybfh1.jpeg?width=499&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ae27ff4291ca62b9a97fa717ad751e250fbe3d9a
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 07:45 AM
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How can you argue it's not using someone if you're leading them on and lying to them in order to get sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 07:36 AM
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Yes! And we are growing :D
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 06:43 PM
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If you don't know what averagetdude is referring to, it's about reclaiming it to be about what the Wachowski sisters meant it to mean 🤭
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 06:33 PM
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I don't really get what you're saying in the first half, but for the second half, I don't see how it's applicable. How is this demanding inequality when you have more but equality when you have less?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 08:21 AM
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I.. what? A red piller giving good advice? I was reclaiming TRP for the og Matrix definition of it, but this is awkward
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 08:11 AM
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I think the real problem is when people are viewing relationships as transactional instead of as... idk, a partnership based on love?? I guess that's a radical idea though. But I mean, if you love someone you'd be interested in working on something together rather than just being like "it's all on you to figure it out, babe"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 08:07 AM
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Ah, well patriarchy isn't universal amongst all the primates though. Bonobos are matriarchal for example. Other primates are egalitarian. So I don't think it's an impossibility that, as another primate, paleolithic humans couldn't be egalitarian. Hell, developing a matriarchy could have been a possibility if bonobos are any indication.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 05:01 AM
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I tried looking up what chinos were and all I got were pants lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 04:49 AM
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A postgender society? Not to my knowledge. It's hard to say how we were in the paleotlithic era. I don't think we know exactly how paleolithic societies conceptualized gender or if they did. Though, anthropologists generally agree that they were gender egalitarian. But since the bodily reality part still existed, I would have to imagine they still saw people with those differences and categorized them differently. They just didn't treat them differently in a meaningful way (that is, gender as a …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 04:24 AM
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Omg XD I love it!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 03:53 AM
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Assuming you mean on my head, I mostly don't lol That's just a character from one of my favorite games: of the Devil. Her name is Evangeline Morgan, though she goes by just Morgan. I kinda like the idea of dying my hair red though. That said, I do have natural red hair for a beard/mustache, but that's almost entirely removed at this point (electrolysis). I do have auburn hair on my head during some seasons. But yeah, I have heterocrhomia of both my hair and my eyes interestingly enough :) I don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 03:49 AM
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Well, except I'm not unattractive to the opposite sex. We'll go based on what you likely mean by opposite sex. Lesbian and bi women are attracted to me. Straight and bi men are attracted to me. I've had people within all four of those groups express attraction to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 03:03 AM
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So I recognize that we live in a gendered society right now. It's why I still place myself in with womahood(you see it in my flair for example.) I often break down my understanding of gender into several definitions, if we go off just what the common definitions of woman/man and gender are in society. So, we have: Gender as identity or one's personal psychological gender. Under that, I'm agender. I don't "feel" like any gender or whatever. Gender as a class. This is who gets targeted under patri…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:58 AM
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It also sucks what the manosphere did with Alana's coining of incel. Men always seem to love stealing the ideas of women
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:44 AM
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I mean, we don't have to argue semantics. We could just go by how it is in reality. So, people who are attracted solely to men(straight women and gay men) are not attracted to me(never met any who are). If I was a man... certainly there would be some who are, no? People who are attracted to both women and men as well as people attracted to only women(i.e straight men, lesbians), have been attracted to me though. Each of my exes fell into those groups. What does that tell you my gender is?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:38 AM
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Ayyyy welcome to the club fam 😄
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:32 AM
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Lol we mean red pill as in what the Wachowski sisters meant by it when they wrote the Matrix
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:28 AM
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Yes, men aren't lesbians. And trans women aren't men
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:16 AM
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https://www.them.us/story/boston-liberty-hotel-cis-lesbian-bathroom-ansley-baker-liz-victor-settlement There's also been a lot more historical exclusion of lesbians too ETA: Also, I wish non-lesbians would stop gatekeeping who belongs in the lesbian community lmao. Like if you look at data of lesbians, they view trans women attracted to other women as part of lesbianism. Pretty sure it should be the collective in-group who decides who falls within the ingroup. (and yes, I know some lesbians diss…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 01:59 AM
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You can't separate sexuality from gender. They can be analyzed separately, but in society/reality they're intertwined. People often see a gay man as less of a man. People see lesbians and want to keep them out of women's spaces. The whole concepts of straight, lesbian, gay, are gender-specific in and of themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 01:53 AM
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That's a fair point; it would suck to create a world like the J'Naii made
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 01:36 AM
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Yes :) Hiii Also, don't forget to join us in the reclaiming of red pill!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 01:09 AM
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I'm a postgenderist so ofc lol. I feel like gender has historically been a reason to oppress people; specifically those who aren't endocishet men. True gender equality would only happen if we can achieve a society like that, imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 12:58 AM
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I mean, I imagine sexuality would evolve in such a world to where everyone could be attracted to agender people. It would kinda have to. Those who aren't would probably just not pass their genes on either I presume so evolution would eventually make it happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 12:56 AM
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So far enjoying that video. What she said so far about the manosphere being repressed queer people is so true. Like, I was a far right Mormon growing up and sorta manosphere... now I'm a trans woman and a "radical leftist" and feminist 😂 def was suppressing my transness though for a long while. Stayed bluepilled until my adulthood ETA: also thanks for this rec! Subscribing to her now
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 11:45 PM
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Also u/AverageTDude, you also should join us!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 11:11 PM
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Oh yeah, I don't doubt a lot of TRP men would want to be with a trans woman. I'm not like that though - I'm kinda going for an androgynous presentation(so I don't do makeup and stuff and wear clothes that could kinda work for any gender), but people overwhelmingly gender me a woman still, probably because of my boobs lol I think it works out that way because like even the transphobes might be thinking I'm an afab nonbinary person so they probably think gendering me a woman is misgendering XD And…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 11:04 PM
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Also, a bit unrelated but something cool about HRT that idk if you knew, but a significant amount of trans people even undergo a sexuality change after hrt
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 07:50 PM
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I mean, yeah, I think there is a bit of innate behavior for men. Many feminists, self-included, recognize that a lot of male behaviors are reinforced due to the male socialization within patriarchy. But this raises the question: why did patriarchy get started by men to begin with? Patriarchy wouldn't be the answer since, you know, it wasn't around yet. Generally, it's agreed patriarchy began around the advent of agriculture because it then became possible to collect resources staticly from the l…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 01:33 PM
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Also, this is so weird that this is your first submission ever lol
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 01:05 PM
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Oh I mean the original meaning behind the red pill! Hehe. You know, the one the Wachowski sisters intended before the manosphere appropriated the term
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 01:00 PM
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I skipped over it since the gender of the perpetrator wasn't what the original topic was about but was rather which gender makes up majority of rape victims
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 03:55 AM
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I don't know that I have the time to engage in-depth with the content of your post - I would prefer to read each of those sources. But, for now, I will point out that I don't think any woman thinks women are incapable of doing wrong or antisocial behaviors towards men so it's as though you are fighting a strawman. For those specific examples, though, I would encourage you to step back a bit. This is reading a lot like someone who came into this with a premise and engaged only in studies and rese…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 02:03 AM
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Also, on another note, fuck the manosphere for appropriating terms. Like they did it to red pill and also incel. Like, what Alana intended it to be is just not where they appropriated it to. Leave it to men to always steal and pervert what women come up with...🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 10:46 PM
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I'll join you!!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 10:44 PM
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Ahh okay, that's fair. Off-topic, but like you I'm red-pilled...well in the original meaning of what the Wachowski sisters intended for in the Matrix. Kinda sucks the manosphere co-opted the red pill allegory totally wrong lmao Edit: hmm, maybe I could make a flair to that effect🤔 something like "original red pill" or idk. I'm not sure how I'd do it without it coming across as manosphere red pill. "Matrix red-pilled woman?" Maybe that would communicate it
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 10:37 PM
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Wait, you're largely agreeing with OP right?(some parts of your comment is confusing me) Technically it should be under the automod comment if you're agreeing. Replies are supposed to challenge op
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 10:30 PM
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So glad I don't deal with this. I refuse to be friends with anyone who was male-socialized unless they have proven that they've done the work to undo all the toxic parts of male socialization(so that means almost none of my friends are guys anyhow, except one I've known since middle school and he's a good guy.) They also gotta respect that I'm a lesbian. If any man I was friends with even hints at that he's trying to date me, that's an immediate friend breakup(not even gonna "friendzone" tbh) be…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 10:22 PM
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Yeah, did you look at the two data points harvested? Admittedly no lol I didn't read the article itself you linked and went straight to the studies that were linked, and I didn't look carefully at the graph in the study going over the different types of SA. That was my bad. Regardless though, this is still only applicable to that specific northeastern university. You can't really generalize it to all women and men. Yes, so now you're applying the opposite sctandard to the first study on this pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 07:08 PM
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People can't really respond when they're asleep. Most of the time that passed I was sleeping. For the time I wasn't, I wanted to wait until I felt like reading it and responding with a quality comment by addressing everything he said. I also have a life outside Reddit so it'll be awhile longer before I get to it as I have something important to get ready for and go do
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 04:49 PM
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The premise that women are naturally hypergamous is false. 1) For income hypergamy, that was only true for most of modern history because women weren't allowed to go into most fields of paid work. Now that we can, income hypogamy and income equality are on the rise for the partners women choose. While it's still true most women are currently hypergamous in that regard(it's important to note that share is declining), I think it's mostly because of two things. 1) Older women are more likely to hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 02:16 AM
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I'll go ahead and look at each of those studies... which I'm pretty sure is only 4 if I'm not mistaken? I don't see the fifth you claimed was there. 1 This one sampled 1,916 students! (Excellent sample size!) but they're all from a "small northeastern university" so only applicable to whichever university it is. It found: Women (6.6%) were significantly more likely to be sexually assaulted than men (3.2%) So, 1, it's about SA rather than rape. SA is more broadly defined, but it also found twice …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 01:56 AM
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That is not the best sample size and it's only one study. Things like this need to be replicable across many studies to really conclude anything definitively. Not to mention, it's also behind a paywall so we can't look at the methodology and results in more detail. We have only the abstract. men are the majority of [rape] victims That'll need a citation. But also, yeah, going into a conversation where the topic at hand is rape of women and bringing up men is kinda irrelevant and seems like an at…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 01:03 AM
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Ah! Yeah, I'm not the best to ask for that. I hear from other trans women online about their chaser situations, and it is most often men yeah, but for me, I haven't really dealt with chasers, aside from when I sought some female chasers out.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 04:06 AM
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Um. I'm not sure. I've had quite a bit of interest in me from men, but I didn't let those interactions go far enough to figure out if the interest was out of a fetish for trans women
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 03:59 AM
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Huh, it's like we swapped sexualities with each other!!! Gonna be trading sexualities around now like pokemon cards /j
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 03:35 AM
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Not really no. Sometimes I specifically search for some on my own because I was kinda attention-craving - but that's just online. I'd never intentionally meet up with a chaser and I've never otherwise met one irl yet. I don't think any random chasing woman approached me first either, online or otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 03:33 AM
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Noise-cancelling, because it won't be me having sex but probably a neighbor or roommate presumably
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 02:05 AM
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....that's how language works... like every word is made up to describe something. Those 6 words you just used had to be made up at one point
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 01:29 AM
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Well, I'm a bambi lesbian specifically, so it doesn't happen with random women either. It can happen with a girlfriend though
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 01:08 AM
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Sexuality is really much more complicated than most want to admit. I made a comment going into advanced sexuality (most people only know about basic sexuality... if that, since a lot of people haven't had sex ed or anything, nor are most people studying queer studies like I am.). The thing is though, that viewpoint is probably gonna piss off almost everyone from both the homophobes to LGBTQIA+ laypeople since I'm refuting the "being gay is a choice" simultaneously with "I was born this way" mant…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 12:51 AM
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Nope. As far as I can tell, it seems like most sapphic women don't ever complain about dating women as a whole. We have individual women we have issues with or exes we did, but we aren't here complaining about having to date women. And, like other lesbians, I do have complaints about individual women I dated, but also lots of exes I still think fondly of. The experience of dating women in general is a positive one for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 12:13 AM
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Nah, I just noticed that a lot of straight people complain about dating the other gender. If you're that unhappy with it, it could be a good idea to explore other avenues is all. If someone is straight and happy that's awesome! I mean, there are happy straight people out there too and I'm happy for them
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 10:57 PM
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Conversion therapy is problematic due to that it is working from the false premise that being gay/bi/not straight is wrong and thus should be changed. It is trying to change someone against their will away from something that is not immoral. A reverse conversion therapy would be problematic for the same reason of it's assuming that being straight is wrong and someone else tries to force the change upon that person. These are the things that make conversion therapy wrong, it is not the assumption…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 09:18 PM
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Ah yeah, you're not debating in good faith 🙄 well good day to you then
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 08:10 PM
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I'll copy and paste what I wrote to the other guy People have a real knack for oversimplifying shit: both sides too. No, it's not a choice. But also, no, we weren't born that way. Generally, in queer studies, the idea of being born with your sexuality is rejected because it simply doesn't have enough scientific evidence for it, and has evidence against it actually. I feel like the identical twin studies should be well-known by now, but let me know if you're unaware of them and I can dig them up.…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 07:30 PM
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People have a real knack for oversimplifying shit: both sides too. No, it's not a choice. But also, no, we weren't born that way. Generally, in queer studies, the idea of being born with your sexuality is rejected because it simply doesn't have enough scientific evidence for it, and has evidence against it actually. I feel like the identical twin studies should be well-known by now, but let me know if you're unaware of them and I can dig them up. But identical twin studies consistently come up w…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 07:07 PM
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So as a lesbian you might not exper[ience] the issues men and women have when dating each other. Even then, I lived a good portion of my life as a man. As averagetdude mentioned, I'm one of the few trans women in this sub. When I was dating as a man I didn't experience these issues either. I'm positive I wasn't a Chad or whatever either lol though, weirdly I did notice something in hindsight which is pretty much all my exes were queer of some sort. To my recollection, I never attracted a straigh…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:50 PM
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Have you men ever considered... dating other men?? I totally don't relate to this disillusionment of women men supposedly have. None of that social shaming, taking my money, etc happens. I love dating my gender. Maybe you'd also love dating your own gender. The gender wars pretty much shows how much women and men hate each other - you can't really love someone of a gender you hate right? So, you know, maybe consider exploring your orientation a little. All the complaints about not getting likes …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 01:53 AM
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I don't really get at all what men hate about dating women. I love dating other women personally. I have no complaints about my gender, whether my gf is in a stage of life where's she's struggling more, has crap together as much as I do, or if she has more of her crap together than I do; even in the latter case there hasn't really been resentment over that. And I've dated women within each of those categories - 12 exes now 😅 Maybe y'all would be happier dating other men like how I'm happier dati…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 01:40 AM
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Differences in surveys can also be dependent on methodology and the wording of the questions
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 09:45 PM
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You know, claiming your feelings are reality doesn't make them so lol. It's so fascinating how much more authoritative men try to be about what's obviously just their opinions. I was being honest that it's my opinion/anecdote/feelings. But since you want to discuss reality, let's look at the stats then, rather than just your unsubstantiated claim about what reality is... <image> Source: https://www.kcl.ac.uk/giwl/assets/iwd-2025-survey.pdf
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 07:58 PM
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This is one of the forums for pinkpillers: https://thepinkpill.co/ This academic article discusses the femosphere which is cloesly related to the pink pill, because the pink pill falls under it. There are trends within the pink pill and femosphere I disagree with though, such as gender bioessentialism is somewhat common. Well I should clarify that extreme gender bioessentialism is what I disagree with and I'm a bit more nuanced. Like most things about humans, I view gender and gender behaviors a…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 07:43 PM
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Idk, I feel like radical feminism has been growing in popularity tbh; especially among gen Z women(which I think is a contrubuting factor to why Gen Z is having much less sex than previous generations at their age.) Maybe it'll be the mainstream feminism in a couple of decades
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 06:11 PM
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I've never heard of those people, except Clavicular, but I would only be able to give like a 1-2 sentence summary of who he is. Anyway, you should be specific when referring to feminism. Plenty of feminists are anti-sex industry and antikink. There are subreddits devoted to that in fact(i.e antipornography and the antikink one had to rebrand though because butthurt pornbrained people got the original taken down, but it's now antikinkkink, since Reddit protects kinks so we had to turn antikink in…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 06:05 PM
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Maybe you could ask them about it now? It seems unfair to me they'd enforce it differently than how it's written in the rules, and that it happened to you but not me
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 04:50 PM
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Well, that's weird. So I presume you told the mods if wasn't during a debate with them and they still required you to unblock?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 04:41 PM
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You can block users. You just can't do it to get the last word mid-debate. So let them have the final comment then block, or block someone with whom you're not debating. I've done both in this sub with no problems
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 04:25 PM
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This feels like making up a scenario and getting mad about it. What women are acting like it's men's fault that we have to work? What working women are hoping to have a "provider" man?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 08:00 AM
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Sure. Red pill is a very manosphere pov of dating while pink pill is woman-centered. Red pill believes women only go for top x% of men and that men need to self-improve to become part of that percent. It also often involves manipulation tactics. Pink pill is more about how women can stay safe from men in dating and/or focuses on women's dating strategy such as to find the worthwhile and/or safe men, or it could be to forego dating altogether, or even explore your orientation to not include men a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:48 AM
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Oh! It's bigdonut. I knew I recognized the unique style of schizoposting
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:28 AM
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And it's all built on the goomba fallacy too. OP is assuming the same women who complain about a male partner for not pulling his weight in demestic labor are the same ones who pay for a man to do these things.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:26 AM
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Not even. I'll read longer if it's something I consider worth my time. OP wasn't worth my time
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 04:30 PM
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The studies controlled for that. All the faces were makeupless, and some also were in said countries you're speaking of
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 08:04 AM
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Well, that's convenient isn't it. Even with looks, I think women are hypogamous too. There's a gender attractiveness gap, where across dozens of studies, dozens of cultures, across the genders, women are seen as more attractive than men. Even other women rate women higher than they rate men. So, about as objective as possible for what is attractive(yes, I know it's subjective but all beauty standards are, so looking at society as a whole is the best measure.) So, the way I see it, "Stacy" is a 1…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:47 AM
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This is also very counter to the mainstream male/red pill narrative that women are hypergamous. More women go for college degrees than men do, so if uneducated men are the ones having more sex... that suggests women are hypogamous, which does seem to be the case too at least as found in this study
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:28 AM
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Yep, I've always put effort into it when I date and never had anything to complain about. It's pretty easy for me to get back into a relationship when I want to
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 06:36 AM
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Yes, freedom to choose is important. But that means the ability to make choices that disempower women
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 04:24 AM
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Well, there's a lot of different types of feminism. Those of the radical variety will not promote this as empowering. But choice feminism does. It pretty much just believes that any choice a woman makes is inherently feminist/empowering to women, including if she chooses casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 04:15 AM
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I think it's because of choice and liberal feminism promoting the idea that hooking up and whatnot is empowering to women, so a lot of women think they want to do casual due to that messaging... then they catch feelings and are left in the dust (so much for empowering them...)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 04:04 AM
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You claimed blue pill men only listen to what a woman says while red pill men look at her behavior too. I think that framing is inaccurate and giving too much credit to red pill men. Red pill men have preconceived notions about female behavior(to repeat what I said) and will use that lens as to how to (mis)interpret and incorrectly assign meanings to women's behavior. Behavioral analysis is not something laypeople should be engaging in. You need to talk with each other to find out about preferen…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 03:16 AM
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It's so weird that people here treat each other as the representatives of their gender. Women didn't vote for me for that position lmao nor would I want that position
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 03:09 AM
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Non-red/black pillers aren't the ones who treat women as a monolith. We tend recognize that preferences depend on the woman. Those women you see on tiktok are some women who want the man to take initiative on everything and control her. Most other women do not want that though. Everyone else understands that to understand a woman you have to get to know her and communicate with her. It's the red/black pillers who think there's some female nature that applies to all women that overrides what she …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 03:04 AM
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Women are people. I didn't say all people could do it
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 03:00 AM
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Y'all have a serious victim complex. Literally comparing women's choices in who they date to eugenics... lmao wtf. You wanna know what was real eugenics? The Tuskegee syphilis experiment and the Mississippi Appendectomies
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 09:47 AM
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Well, the topic was about women
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 07:55 AM
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I don't get why you're conflating making porn and whatnot with hypersexuality. They're not the same thing. Maybe you should look into what the term means before speaking about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 06:03 AM
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Nope. Some porn actresses are coerced to be there, some view it just as a job and pretend to get pleasure from it. People can fake orgasms, arousal, and all that. They're actors dude. That's literally their job to fake that shit. They aren't usually genuinely hypersexual
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 05:59 AM
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Maybe you should think about how those are influencers and porn actresses. Neither really mean they're hypersexual necessarily, nor represent how hypersexual women in the real world work. Please come back to meatspace
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 05:56 AM
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Ah... so you already had a preconceived opinion on this and weren't asking in good faith about my own opinion..
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 05:52 AM
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I mean they don't have as many of requirements or conditions needed for it. Like, they just want to fuck... not many requirements for it. It's just kinda how it is for hypersexual people - esp when it's during a manic episode. Like, you're more risk-taking and impulsive during those
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 05:42 AM
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Um, they seem more indiscriminate than other women lol had a fellow bipolar woman who wanted to fuck me in a psych hospital with, obviously, a cold approach to give you an idea. She was just so straight up about it too
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 05:37 AM
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It's pretty well-studied, and men have higher sex drives, on average. That said, hypersexuality can be a thing in sexual trauma survivors and those with bipolar. I have both sexual trauma and am bipolar so I'm pretty familiar with how it is in both communities as I often am in support groups for them(and I also study psychology). Do either categories apply to those three women you dated?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 03:54 AM
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I said sexual assault specifically
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 11:48 AM
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Noting the problem behaviors of a privileged or oppressive group is hardly discrimination. If I said capitalists/rich people are spoiled, greedy, and exploitative, it's not discriminatory. They hold power in society and subjugate the rest of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:22 AM
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Idk about programmed as much as people just have observed which gender makes up the vast majority of sexual assaulters, murderers, and other violent criminals. And which gender dominates careers where caring for other people is part of it(nursing, therapy, daycare, teachers, etc). Statistics don't lie
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:14 AM
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So... you only believe this because of a handful of people upvoted that comment and some downvoted yours? Sir, this is Reddit. It isn't reflective of how society actually is in real life. Please do try to get out more and interact with people face-to-face and express that you're wanting a 50/50 state with them. I don't think it'll end up similarly at all
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:07 AM
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Nope. I just expect people regardless of gender to do the morally right thing when someone is in need of it. I've had women abide by girl code and helped me in situations like that and I don't think it should be gendered. Every person should strive to be good and help each other out. It doesn't mean I think someone is entitled to it. If someone was in cardiac arrest I'd expect someone to perform CPR. That doesn't mean they're entitled to that persons body but it is the morally right thing to do.…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 01:17 AM
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Totally agree - a lot of men are def high in dark triad traits(studies usually show on average they're higher than women score), hence the manipulation. And generally more often a harm to women in relationships than a loving and equitable partner. I think stuff like AWDSTG is something women benefit a lot from to navigate who the manipulaters and abusers and we need more tools like that to keep women safe from those types. Aside from that, I would generally caution against even dating men still …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 06:50 AM
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Pink pill man? Huh. That's as interesting as when I saw a black pill woman on this sub. You're both gender traitors it sounds like lol. But I'd love to hear what you believe as part of being pink pilled and how you arrived there as a man (for the record I also would describe my views as pink pilled!)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 06:36 AM
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We have stronger immune systems. With that means sometimes the immune systems are more likely to overcompensate and misfire, which is what autoimmunity is. On the flip side, since men have weaker immune systems, they're more susceptible to immunodeficiency
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:09 PM
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so we have backup against some disorders like asthma. Interestingly, testosterone also protects against asthma, moreso than two x chromosomes. So once everyone is post-pubescent, asthma rates reverse amongst the genders, so women have higher rates of asthma than men, but prepubesent boys have higher rates than prepubescent girls. I had childhood asthma that went away from my natal puberty. It came back with my second puberty though 🙃 If I were to guess, post-transition trans men probably have th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:48 PM
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The other 80 are misogynists, looking for a mom to take care of them instead of a partner, red or black pilled, are high in dark triad traits, or reclusive(so don't have opportunity to be seen/noticed by women.) Trying to weed those men out is very stressful, and many women are sadly not successful with doing that so dealing with a misogynist as a partner adds to stress. Dealing with a manchild is stressful etc. After all, more than just 20% of men are partnered, so some women are suffering in a…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:30 PM
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Something isn't so scientific if it has biases, poor methods, and such. The whole point of peer-review is for finding issues in methodology. Many clinical trials and studies were done only on men for example, which is a methodology issue. It took feminist researchers to point out those issues because antifeminist researchers were conveniently blind to that problem. That's just one common issue; there are more of course
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:20 PM
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Of course. On the flip side, men are more susceptible to immunodeficiency. Women have stronger immune systems, that are more likely to overcompensate(autoimmunity) and men have weaker immune systems, making them more susceptible to immunodeficiency
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:17 PM
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I agree we are more susceptible to immune disorders and we have more stress/have it worse, but I don't think the latter is the only reason for the former. Estrogen plays a role in immune responses and I think it's a combination of stress plus estrogen that makes it more likely
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:07 PM
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Um, I'm not sure if we are using the same definition of catcall here. Like, compliments are very different. If that's what we are counting, then I've defintitely had way more women do it, and yeah, that feels nice. But fr, it's not what women are complaining about. It's like objectifying comments that are meant to evoke a fear response.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 05:41 AM
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I've only been catcalled by straight men and I hate it but I do wonder how I'd feel if it came from a woman
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 05:36 AM
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Yep. Every trans person can confirm lmao Men don't cleanup after themselves as much as women do
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:15 AM
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Yeah, it's a weird thing to push in a sub that's mostly supposed to be about dating dynamics between the genders. Just feels like grasping at finding new ways to hate women
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:08 AM
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Gurrl same. I've heard it from trans men too when they switched to men's rooms and that's one thing they hate about them and miss about the women's rooms being cleaner lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 06:56 AM
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Well, okay, maybe it's because the women's restrooms I tend to use have separate waste cans/slots inside every stall for menstrual products. So perhaps restrooms without that are different idk. But like people peeing standing up are bound to have more misfires than like those who sit. And it seemed like men's rooms I grew up with were more likely to have piss everywhere
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 06:50 AM
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Trans woman here, so I have firsthand experience with both restrooms... I feel like the presumption you have is wrong, women's are definitely cleaner in my experience
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 06:45 AM
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Well, he's doing a poor job of making it appeal to BP lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:30 AM
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It isn't legally the case. But we could certainly decide to include it as rape. So at that point it means there isn't a big difference between the genders of rapists(so I agree with you there), but there still is for sexual abusers at large. The latter is over 90% of men
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:07 PM
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Why would you compare it to the number of women who are raped? You're wanting to include a separate category(men who were made to penetrate) which is adding a new category besides rape. So why should, when analyzing sexual violence against women, we include only rape if another category is included for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:01 PM
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Ah, yeah, that's my mistake as I was thinking it was grouping all rapes together there and not separating made to penetrate from that. Though, we should compare that 7.1% number to the percent of women who are sexually assaulted. About half of women are compared to 1 in 6 men. That would still place men as the majority of sexual assaulters since they are for those who are women, who make up the vast majority of people who were SA'd.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 10:53 PM
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Most of the rapes men go through isn't to be made to penetrate, but rather they are penetrated... and so when you look at the gender of those who make them penetrate, they're a small percentage of the overall people who rape men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 10:40 PM
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So, I'm not sure if you read that article, but that's about sexual victimization: meaning this is studying the gender of people who have been SA'd. It's saying it's more even for who the victims of rape and sexual assault are. It's not about the perpetrators' gender(what my claim was about.) Much of that study discusses how to arrive at a number of male SA victims it included inmates... with which gender are male SA survivors housed with? What does that say about the gender of the perp? But here…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 10:27 PM
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Oh, I don't treat men differently for those reasons. That's some gender bioessentialist bullshit. I treat trans women the same I do with cis women for example, and they were born with dick and balls and a y chromosome. Plus I was too lol. I just treat people who identify with the privileged gender under patriachy differently because they're more likely to be objectifying me or a threat in general(most of them are stronger than me since I got weaker on HRT and, well, I have a bit too much of a se…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 10:03 PM
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Not really no. Most sexual abusers(over 90%) are men; that's why it's gendered
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 09:55 PM
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Also, why do all my posts in this sub require moderator approval? It seems like there are posts out there that don't; unless I'm missing something but I've seen posts that were posted right away
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 09:53 PM
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I don't know if you noticed, but this whole thread is gendering behaviors... but you selectively reacted to the comment that probably struck a chord with you. I gendered it because OP is a man and doesn't seem to understand consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 09:49 PM
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Are you getting coffee at cafes on beaches or something? Where are you getting coffee from where there are women walking around in bikinis?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:17 PM
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Oh I thought your flair said black pill and I was gonna be like... wtf this is an actual reasonable, empathizing-with-women, take from a black pilled person. It was making me feel like Dwight here at first lmao <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:12 PM
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Yeah, he might need to consider black pill
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:10 PM
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A lot of men find it difficult to understand the concept of consent. Remember, some are rapists and many more perpetuate rape culture
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:07 PM
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Fr. I love when women do it to me. Hate when men do. One is consensual, the other is not since I'm lesbian
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:06 PM
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Hey, don't insult us autistic people by comparing us to whatever the hell sort of "analysis" those guys do
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:48 AM
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A restorative system might actually see more confessions tbh. Why would a rapist confess in a system that would result in many years of their life stripped away from them?(basically, the punitive system discourages confession.) Being treated as a human in the process very well could encourage them to confess. For those who still don't, yeah, there would still need to be some sort of method of establishing guilt. But even before that, society should believe the victim from the standpoint of givin…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 07:49 AM
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I am a woman who was a victim of SA/rape. Please don't speak for SA survivors. It doesn't help me to have my rapist locked up and the prospect of going through police, prosecutors, the defense cross-examining me, etc just sounds absolutely horrific and would probably re-traumatize me(not to mention, there's always a chance you'll get treated like Amber Heard was by the public, so why would I want to subject myself to that?) I think a lot of SA survivors shy away from it because of how that syste…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:47 AM
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I'm not unfortunately! At least not a natural ginger
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 05:53 AM
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Well ofc, it would be between people who are willing to do it, so someone like you who is unwilling wouldn't have to - and ofc, there'd be other positions within that defense/deescalation group - deescalators don't need to be armed for example and could be a position someone like me is suited for as I study psychology and looking to be a therapist. When it looks like a situation is heating up, someone like me could step in as a mediator and use aggression prevention techniques. And the differenc…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 05:45 AM
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Wait... you're a trekkie too?! wtf. It's like you're a cis version of me. Your name is even Amanda I'm guessing?? Amy can be short for that too XD (although not in my case, but still that's a pretty cool coincidence too)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 05:28 AM
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Oh hi! It's so rare to see another anarcha-fem in the wild outside of our spaces haha
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 05:14 AM
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Well, I think the term you're looking for is consequence rather than punishments. Punishments are inherently punitive lol. But with a rehabiliative and transformative justice system, it would mean looking at how a victim was harmed and looking for solutions to heal or undo the harm. Let's take rape as an example. Under our current system, victims are retraumatized with being forced to appear in court, testify about the gritty details and relive that trauma, questioned by police and prosecutors, …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 05:02 AM
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I mean, there are cis women who agree with me... like literally the theorists of anarcha-femininsm, and adjacent ideologies, like Emma Goldman and Lucy Parsons would have a lot they agree with me on. And there are also current cis women who are like me too. We are all a minority though. Anarcha-feminists are a minority amongst both trans and cis women Edit: though, yeah, you are right that most cis women aren't like me. Most trans women aren't either though is my point, and I'm not like this bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 04:34 AM
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I'm a woman. I don't have what I want here lmao I still live under a capitalistic, statist, patriarchal society... literally none of this is what I want. You seem to still be speaking of women as a monolith like we all got we wanted or something. And some men also got what they wanted. Like we all have different things we want and different ideologies. Some men share the same ideology as the established/dominant one so they got what they wanted too
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 04:24 AM
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Oh, so men's reactions are women's fault again... Much of what you gave as examples are things I'm opposed to too as an anarcha-feminist but you don't see me radicalizing to the right* to make life miserable for everyone and as some sort of "owning the libs" response. I want to abolish conscription, make rape gender neutral, even get rid of the punitive prison system (so those feminists who want death penalty or life imprisonment for rapists I'm actually opposed to since that's punitive rather t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 04:15 AM
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Dude, have you looked up the average age women get married worldwide? Or in your country? Pretty much everywhere is before 32. Most women are married before the point you claim they stop living by having only sex. Most women also have sex only within a relationship, or at least what they think is a relationship(might be a situationship sadly.) Have you also looked up what percent of women report having had casual sex in the past year? It's really low, again, because most women have sex within wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 03:06 AM
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I mean, it's because of the gender attractiveness gap. Women are just more attractive than men(even straight women and gay men rate women as more attractive than men; every demographic across dozens of cultures consider women more attractive.) A Chad is like an 8/10 compared to Stacy who is 10/10. So, with that looks difference, OP is actually right that women date down. The 10/10 woman is forced to date a 8/10 man, because that's what men are capped at pretty much. That's like at least 2-3 stan…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 12:19 AM
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"One is not born, but rather becomes, a woman." -Radical feminist theorist, Simone De Beauvoir Womanhood isn't something you're born into but more of a category created by society that enforces norms and expectations based on being perceived as a woman. Thus anyone who others perceive is a woman gets treated as such. You don't have to be born a female human(the sex) to be a woman. That said, if I could have chosen to be born a female human, I would have done so. It'd save me a lot of expensive h…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:58 PM
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Most trads, in my experience, only put up a facade and platitudes and are doing most of what you said
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 06:03 AM
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I assume every man to be not one of the good ones by default... since on of the good ones is like 5% of men
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 05:34 AM
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If that's the case, why are most red pillers right wing or tradcon? To be status-seeking and elevate yoursef as a man, it works even better by keeping your girlfriend/wife subservient. You don't become the high-status man that supposedly all women throw themselves at by being a man with equal status to women. TRP advocates for men becoming higher status does it not? Improve their "sexual market value" and whatnot? Being seen as an equal to women doesn't do that. So it means naturally that those …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 05:27 AM
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I love dating women; I'm mostly here to call men and the manosphere out. If I was straight though I think I'd have given up on dating lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 08:35 PM
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Okay. It was always an option to not go on a date with someone who expects you to pay you know. If you think a behavior is bad or entitlement, don't reward it
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 01:04 AM
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I mean, you could have said "women are attracted to men who share same/similar interests and who apply it to their lives." No short novel needed for that. I think that would have communicated what you wanted better. You chose the more polarizing term of power for some reason when it causes a lot of miscommunication.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 10:21 PM
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Power: I don't think that word means what you think it means. All you've described here from a bookworm/nerd/geeky woman is that she'd be interested in a man who matches that energy (true, we tend to like people who share similar interests and styles.) and applies the knowledge from those interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 10:11 PM
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The species is fucked at that point either way though. Scientists generally accept that a minimum of 50-100 individuals are needed for the continuance of a species(that's the bare minimum.. ideally you'd have more.) Inbreeding depression is inevitable with only 20 people. After about 4-5 generations, everyone will be related to the original 20, making everyone related as 3rd or 4th cousins. People have to have 16 unique great-great grandparents... Meaning everyone in the fourth generation is rel…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 03:28 PM
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Well, this isn't what-if for me. I'm a trans woman, so was born male. I aimed for a long-term partnership and didn't really have any pills I subscribed to, but if I were to describe how I went about stuff I guess it was blue-pilled. I don't think I am conventionally attractive but maybe I am since I never really had problems finding someone interested in dating in me. I grew up Mormon though, and was that until like 21ish. So to break down my teens, I refrained from dating until 16, because that…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 04:41 AM
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Not really. Men are constantly reminded that most women do not orgasm from penetration alone. Exactly - it's why the orgasm gap exists and it narrows when it's two women instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 11:56 PM
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I'm a lesbian
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 04:21 AM
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There's another category for holding them down and forcing them, actually. Sexual coercion is just the broadest one, so yeah, it includes acts that are not as bad, or are lesser evils. The category of that one, though, would be rape. Rape is a type of sexual coercion, but yeah, there are a lot less egregious things part of it too (though, are still morally wrong). You should look into how sexual coercion is different from sexual assault which is different from rape. But each one does get more sp…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:52 AM
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The study specifies that these tactics were used after the woman said no upfront, so each was used to manipulate, so yeah, even having a female friend around to convince her is still manipulating in that case. Just accept the no. That's all it takes to not be sexually coercive, but 95% of men don't take the no. If you do anything to manipulate someone from a no to a yes, that's sexually coercive honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:12 AM
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are 95% of men really that bad? Actually, yes but not in the way you're thinking. Also, no, women aren't chasing the same 5% of men. Maybe go see how it is in reality instead of consuming manosphere shit
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 11:51 PM
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In honesty, I don't think I have. But I'm an asexual lesbian so there's no sexual attraction for me to lose and since my attraction is purely romantic, nudity and bodies don't affect that
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 03:39 AM
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So... the alternatives are avoiding women entirely(kinda impossible unless you become a hermit) or acting unsafe. Kinda a dick move to act unsafe to people. I wouldn't do that to anyone. We kinda all have a responsibility to not be a dick. Anyway, please do stop interacting with me irl. I have no reason to interact with men except when forced to for work, school, or when they force it by approaching/catcalling/harassing me
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 06:57 PM
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We are more likely to challenge heteronorms. The things you're describing for what women look for in men are pretty heteronormative. While some wlw adopt those beliefs too, it's called homonorms when they do, like sometimes femmes and mascs want that dynamic where the former takes on female gender roles/traits and the latter male, but yeah we are still more likely to be critical of the trends among straight couples
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 04:59 PM
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Do you think Valerie Solanas wasn't a true feminist then? I have to agree with what someone else said. Feminism is broader, meaning it's advocating for minimally women to have equality, but it can go further and still fall under a sub-ideology of feminism. All the folks(except the creepy males who joined because they have a femdom fetish.. idk if the sub still has that issue) over in the seriousgynarchy subreddit generally agree with feminism. They have a lot in common, just they want to take it…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 05:28 AM
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I guess I'll stop existing
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 05:26 AM
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If they're like me, they like the idea of women's empowerment consciously, try to do what they can, but ultimately subconsciously/reactively act with a fawning response or people-pleasing behavior. It's a mindfuck because I don't want to be like that but I find myself impulsively reacting with friendliness and accommodating (though still soft rejecting) when being catcalled, hit on, or approached by men. I'd rather just be telling that guy to F off.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 02:24 AM
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I think some women successfully fight against their socialization. Maybe you've been running into only those women, but trust me, we are socialized to fawn for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 02:16 AM
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Most women have been trained/socialized to fawn for y'all. Hell, I do that in real life (I only appear like a misandrist online.) so we are literally already bending over backwards for you... of course, what you really mean by women should not be close minded, apathetic, and uncaring is revealed in your last sentence that you just need women to fuck you... apparently a "no" to sex is close-minded now 🫩
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 01:52 AM
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Most in the manosphere are misogynists, so yeah, they'll expect the woman to cater to them and fix their problems so they don't have to put in any effort or acknowledge responsibility for their shitty behavior
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 01:26 AM
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I don't really get even how other autistic people don't understand this(maybe they haven't had it spelled out to them in a clear way idk.) I'm level 2 diagnosed but like, I get the rules behind when it's okay and when not. You're right that most people want connection first. There are a few situations where that lack of connection is okay(sometimes people do want to just hookup) but those are very limited contexts like some people on dating/hookup apps, maybe bars and nightclubs. Outside those f…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:34 PM
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You mentioning that she might report him to "whoever runs the place they're in" suggests to me the context might be a coworker, colleague, or fellow classmate and she feels it was inappropriate. I mean, yeah, those are inappropriate places to do that.. It's sexual harassment. In those environments, she has to repeatedly interact with you and it can create a hostile environment. If you're asking at a bar, nightclub or another place where hooking up is often expected, that's fine
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:40 PM
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You probably didn't even read into it and already have an opinion on what you didn't read
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 04:15 AM
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What makes you think the unchosen men would be any better? They could be even worse and that's why they got filtered since it was even more obvious they were unsafe
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 10:39 PM
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Actually, now that I thought about it... maybe unironically you're onto something, specifically for hormonal birth control at least. A good amount of transgender people report sexuality changes post-HRT. I mean, I'm taking estrogen and progesterone, which is what makes up hormonal birth control, but for my gender-affirming HRT. And I went from being bisexual to asexual lesromantic. The sexuality polygenes we don't really understand much about. We do know that hormones change genetic expression, …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 01:06 AM
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They're appropriating a legitimate lesbian feminist critique of society(Adrienne Rich came up with it.) It's really weird. It certainly wasn't meant to be mixed with black pill ideology lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 12:37 AM
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lol wtf. This is the first time I've heard anyone ever give that kind of take. It's giving: <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 12:35 AM
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That's a very grey area. I could see it going either way, but either way it's up to her how to identify. She is 100% heteromantic, but her sexuality is what could be argued to be bi(split attraction model!). Some people do have a strict definition of straight and gay being 100%, so under that framing she's bisexual(with a heavy preference for men), heteromantic
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 12:13 AM
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It used to be a crime to be gay(it still is in like a third of the countries worldwide actually.) And there's still societal stigma and homophobic bullying in a lot of places, at the very least from particular religious groups. There are a lot of ways in which people aren't "allowed" to explore their sexuality, so people assume they're straight when in reality they aren't and would realize that if they were open to or allowed to explore their sexuality
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 12:06 AM
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Yeah, it seems like such a weird mixing of a queer feminist take with blackpill ideology. Like, comphet is a legit thing throughout the entirety of society, but there's still gonna be straight women even if it was no longer a force. How many truly straight women there are is debateable though, as each generation(especially of women) are identifying as LGBQTIA+ more each generation and idk if we hit a ceiling on that yet.* But there are certainly at least some genuinely straight women *and, to be…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 11:59 PM
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Yeah, I didn't say those resulted in long-term relationships. If anything this shows that women don't choose the guys the manosphere says they do
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 10:02 PM
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I date women too. I'm lesbian
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 09:45 AM
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And why would a man's perspective of women be right? Nope, I don't view women that way. I don't generalize women
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 09:17 AM
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oooh so do I and they're not like that. I guess we are at an impasse
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 09:04 AM
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Why did you delete this? I'm rather curious what you were gonna say
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:17 AM
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Layperson would be someone without a background in a relevant field, like psychology or gender studies, for making comments about women's behaviors. And sure, this would apply to OP too. I just was more interested in the comments than the OP though
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:15 AM
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Did you read the study I provided? Sorry if it doesn't make sense. It does take postsecondary literacy, which odds are you don't have, to make sense of.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 05:27 AM
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There are no men which are 9-10 because women are more attractive than men. Chads are 8s and Stacys are 10s. The Gender attractiveness gap has been very well studied, enough to have meta-analyses on it like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 05:23 AM
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Oh, that's what you mean. What you were saying wasn't very clear, but you're referring to the below <image> This isn't 43% of women who helped the men but rather 43% of men had a woman help them. That's different, as it could be an overlap where some of the same women helped those men. I.e it could be 10% of women have helped 43% of men... we don't know though. It's also just weird to focus on that in particular when the bigger elephant in the room is the percent of men who used any of these tac…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 05:10 AM
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You could read about that in the study... they do control for as much as they can, like making sure the faces are without makeup and whatnot <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 05:00 AM
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No, I was saying the study was only done on men... as in it only surveyed men
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:52 AM
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I read through the whole study. It was only done on men, and that's talked about in the methodology (pictured below) Though, if you're talking about a different study, that does still mean men are more than twice as likely to sexually coerce <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:48 AM
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Women actually have to date below their level if they date only men, usually. Women are more attractive than men on average. So, with the bell curve of a 0-10 attractiveness scale, there are pretty much no 9-10s who are men, but there are women at that level. Stacy is a 10, Chad is a 8. So if you see any Stacy who is partnered, she's dating someone below her attractiveness level. And the average woman also has to do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:43 AM
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Why do laypeople think they can make sweeping generalizations regarding the behavioral patterns of women? You should try to unlearn your misogynistic biases and unsubstantiated beliefs
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:38 AM
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I'm happy for you!! And yeah, I think even amongst older generations, more are also exploring that too ^-^ they're just late bloomers haha
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 09:13 PM
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That's what I was wondering lmao like what is he even talking about
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 08:57 PM
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More women are single, hypogamous, or dating each other than at any point in history though. So those men who think women would just do the same of dating for survival are not looking at the facts. Also, women had to rely on men in the past. It was literally written into law at one point: look into the laws of coverture. When marriage was the only way a woman could legally survive, yeah, obviously there would be a lot of women who didn't marry out of love but did so literally for survival. The d…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 08:43 PM
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What rights are men deprived of from a gender discrimination pov?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 07:59 PM
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Did you read those studies on lesbian DV rates? Edit: because unironically, men are involved in the lifetime prevalence of DV against lesbians. When subtracting them, their lifetime DV prevalence is lower than for straight women
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 12:36 PM
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That's good on you that you correct men. That statement was an if statement so I wasn't saying you don't do it. Now, this is a debate sub. So yes, my post will be written with a persuasive tone just as I expect others in the comments to do the same. Use of persuasive language doesn't mean I'm not open to seeing where I'm wrong. Why would I be in a debate sub, specifically getting other people's pov to discuss this with, if I wasn't open to changing my mind? Sure, I get some people just bury thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 12:35 PM
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Idk what you mean. I love dating women, personally. If you go into women-loving women spaces I think you'll get very similar sentiment. It's mostly men who have complaints about women in dating. Women don't usually. We might have a complaint of an individual woman we dated but many don't of women as a whole
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 12:21 PM
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No, it's no bending; it's just providing some context from my pov. You could ask her yourself if you want to get a self-report of if she used any similar tactic discussed in the study, but from where I stand, she didn't. (Her username is in my about me) And, come to think of it, it would be useful to get a comparable study of women on whether they experienced any of those behaviors from men. It could shed further light on this issue because I do think that's important to get both sides of the st…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 12:18 PM
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We are both sex-repulsed asexuals, so neither of us are ever sexually coercing the other as we have a sex-free relationship. If you're suggesting coercion to date, she actually approached me and I would not consider it coercive
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 12:10 PM
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I did read it, and I don't deny that I have a bias. Everyone does. It's likely that bias made me not really absorb those details at first. People with a bias against believing this sort of thing would be more adept at absorbing information that would put the study to question. So it's why I posted here(and another sub that would be critical) to get other perspectives in case I missed something. Peer review is important for arriving to a truth And don't tell me to not post something without under…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 11:59 AM
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You are misrepresenting what I said. The original post I was acknowledging that 4.9% of men weren't like this. Though, over time and with discussing with others in the comments, I realized it was a larger percent because some of the methods are grey areas and also the fact that this was of recently sexually active men. So yeah, there's a few things here which would make the 95% smaller in reality. But either way, this was never a claim of "all men are evil."
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 11:29 AM
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Yeah, I was in error on claiming that. Thank you for pointing that out to me
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 11:02 AM
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I am actually. I have a girlfriend
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 10:29 AM
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Or, looking at it another way, the ones who don't have sex wouldn't have opportunity to use sexual coercion. We don't know if they would if given the opportunity.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 10:23 AM
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I suppose they might have needed to narrow that down because men who are virgins or something would skew it, since they may not have had opportunity to sexually coerce, but they may if given the opportunity. However, yeah, we can't say it would be at the same rate as the sexually active men. So good eye on spotting that. I suppose it's one way a study like this is limited
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 10:22 AM
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Can you quote the exact part that specifies only recently sexually active men were surveyed? I do not see it
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 10:19 AM
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Yeah, that's lying/deceit. Someone can't properly consent when they're lied to about the scenario around what they're agreeing to
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 10:04 AM
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It's probably news to you if you've never taken a statistics course. It's basic statistics bro
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 10:03 AM
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Dude, 2,689 is statistically significant lmao. I don't think you know what sample sizes are considered large enough. Check out the minimum sample size for it to be statistically significant for 4 billion people(roughly how many men there are in the world) https://www.surveymonkey.com/learn/research-and-analysis/sample-size-calculator/
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 09:56 AM
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I don't think it's cool to say that. Trauma victims often develop fear of or hatred of the gender that perpetrated against them, not because they're dumb but that's just oftentimes how human psychology works. Many women who are SA survivors develop androphobia from it. They're not dumb. It's a mechanism that the brain does to assure your safety
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 02:26 AM
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This feels more like a debate post than a question post tbh. But anyhow, no one is responsible for men turning extreme than men themselves. It doesn't matter that there are extreme views women express or what we are doing. While some of the men who went extreme and how some men act is why I became misandrist, no one else is responsible for my response than myself. I could have just as easily realized that there are plenty of men who don't act that way and it doesn't mean they deserve less rights…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 02:47 PM
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Um, actually Equity programs helped men, esp white men, get into colleges. now that they've been gutted, fewer white men are being admitted . When race and gender were allowed to be taken into account in order to get a more representative student body it helped men out... now that it can't be taken into account, it's simply test scores and GPA that matters which men score lower on than average. So the very thing feminists were in favor of, which for some reason the far right and MRA hates, was a…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 09:10 AM
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Agreed. As long as there are reproductive differences, it isn't fair to treat topics related to that equally between women and men. Generally, equity is better than equality
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 08:58 AM
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Goddess, what is with these piss-poor takes from men on this sub. Do any of you men believe this kinda shit that harassing women is what will get you a girlfriend? As someone who's had plenty of success with finding women interested in dating me*, it didn't come from harassing them at all. It was warm approaches or online dating. Drop with the creepy cold approaches in places people are just going about their own business and please note where most women find their boyfriends from(it's usually f…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:51 AM
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So, I don't really disagree with you in the way you are asking people to. I more disagree with the implicit argument that women overall seek high status people. I do wonder how many women specifically exclude upper class or higher status men: most I know do. Personally, I exclude upper class people from my dating life. In part because I'm a leftist(many women are) and almost all the rich people got that way by exploiting labor. So I want no part in that. And partly because I am aware dark triad …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 12:59 AM
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No. I'm a psychology major, but I'm minoring in a subspecialty of gender studies: queer studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 08:47 PM
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You were suggesting inflicting emotional pain - that was what I responding to
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 08:43 PM
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The replication crisis exists across most sciences actually, including even what people misnomer "hard sciences" like biology and medical science(for example, early studies that purported sexual dimorphism of human brains are not replicable, and this was something feminist scholars had to point out since chauvinists put much emphasis on those studies) Getting correct results is not what defines science, and you should know that. It's about using scientifically sound methodology. Previous work fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 08:30 PM
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Black pill just feels like a microlabel within the red pill umbrella tbh. The core beliefs about gender and dating are the same, they're just gloomier, more nihilistic, and don't think they can improve on an individual level. But ultimately y'all have extremely similar beliefs about male and female nature
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 08:23 PM
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You've really lost the debate if you have to resort to personal attacks
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 08:20 PM
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Spoken like someone who's never done any research into that field. The scientific method is applied to it - peer-reviewed, correlational studies, experimental studies, observational ones, each contribute to the field. Though, so do historical accounts of course. It's interdisciplinary since it borrows from psychology, sociology, history, law and ethics.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 08:16 PM
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Well, if he convinces more to be like that
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 08:07 PM
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I think you're projecting here. There's no academic field in which MRA's/manosphere exist, but there is women's/feminist studies. Feminists engage in intellectual discussion all the time and the manosphere engages primarily with angry podcasters Edit: and that's wild that you said what you did in your first paragraph but later say "Winning is important, ideas, discourse are not"; you're contradicting yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 08:06 PM
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Nah, I was totally wrong. I'm changing my ways and now I'm a men's-rights activist /j
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 08:02 PM
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Seriously. Like, this will just result in them looking so immature in the public eyes -which they already do since this is basically what they already do
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 07:59 PM
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You're really not helping MRAs with their optics here lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 07:58 PM
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cope with the tens of thousands who are regularly on the sub 4bmovement
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 07:22 AM
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Please don't listen to men on what women want, esp not men suggesting this kinda nonsense to be selfish
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 06:01 AM
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I think you might be doing goomba fallacy. Have you seen the same woman who talk about men hiding their true colors also tout women's intuition is a thing or are you treating women as a monolith again and what one woman thinks all women must think?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 03:37 AM
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I almost choked on my water lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 01:48 AM
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Idk man, I think you and I must be like unlucky. I'm a lesbian wondering where all the lesbians are lmao I almost only run into straight women
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 01:47 AM
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Not when looking at trends lol Like if you want to see changes over time... you have to look at old data for a starting point. Like to claim that singleness among woman has remained steady, that requires looking at the singleness of the past and compare it to now
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 09:41 PM
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It's almost as though... idk feminists and bluepillers are a diverse group of people and different individuals within each can hold views that contradict with one another. Goomba fallacy strikes again
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 06:09 AM
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when most men are naturally domineering I am not sure you really meant domineering, but if so, that's wild you'd speak so ill of your own gender like that, especially since you're supposedly MRA. And y'all try to say us radfems are misandrist lol <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 02:01 PM
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Love your flair btw! I'm also a postgenderist
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 01:59 PM
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No one said anything about a matriarchy. Would you say the same thing about two consenting adults if, in this society, it were primarily men submitting?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 01:51 PM
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Do you view this as a good thing that some "capable" men make women submit?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 01:30 PM
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Why'd you specify most men? Are you suggesting that some men do deserve a submissive woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 01:24 PM
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This idea of women's intuition I don't think is true. But maybe it's because I'm an autistic woman so my ability to read social cures is impaired. Still there are various reasons not all women have that level of intuition. Also, romantic feelings for someone can definitely cause people to interpret red flags with a benefit of the doubt. It's just crazy to blame someone for being abused and whatnot. Just stop
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 10:11 AM
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I think anyone can see the problem with this is you didn't look at older data and compare it to now, or projections for what it'll be. You also didn't even provide the year for this data you did show
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 08:20 PM
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The rate of singleness amongst women has been rising. Whether or not they identify with 4B they're basically doing it by choosing to be single
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 10:56 AM
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Anything other than admit there's a problem with your gender ig
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 10:53 AM
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Yes. Many women are going 4B, or exploring with their orientation, for the exact reason they realize it's hopeless to find an equitable partner amongst men
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 10:51 AM
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So, you're assuming the currently unselected men are going to be any better. Why do you think so? Anyways, stop trying to victim-blame. Narcissists, abusers, terrible partners, and all that frequently do not show their true colors until you're very deep into the relationship. Men don't become better partners, they only get better at hiding who they truly are.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 10:48 AM
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By therapist I mean a one-way relationship. Both people relying emotionally on each other isn't how a therapist-client relationship works, and if both do, that is a healthy relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 06:42 AM
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Most men don't desire women romantically. They just desire them sexually. So most women will be rejected romantically, it's just that that rejection will not look the same way the women reject men for sex. Usually it's a manipulative rejection where men put up a facade of romance and women will be girlfriend/wife in title, when in reality they reject her as a romantic partner/equal and just want to use her as a body-sized fleshlight, mother/maid, and/or a therapist.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 06:25 AM
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No. I don't view people as market products
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 02:16 AM
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I mean, there's a difference between stating upfront you're polyamorous and pretending you're monogamous. You know what you're getting into with the former
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 02:03 AM
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Red pill advice essentially tells men to work on themselves signal that they have options, act unbothered, don't be too available, project confidence. Be a man who prioritizes his own interest before another No, most of that you'll hear from just about anyone tbh. Red pill is more than just that. It includes looking at dating as some market, commodifying relationships instead of looking at it through a prosocial lens. They make generalizing statements about women, such as that we are hypergamous…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 01:59 AM
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I don't know very many people who deny that there are patterns in how women versus men have been socialized or that individual socialization varies between people. What are the contexts you see people responding with both are human? Is it when people treat women with less respect? Is it when people treat women on a pedestal? Is it when people are colder to men opening up about emotions? Like I feel like we need more context
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 12:06 AM
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Largely, the people who needed a more convenient access to dating are men. We get approached irl far more than men do so most women weren't really demanding a convenient dating tool. And, I think, due to the perceived distance/relative safety of talking to someone behind a screen, it emboldens men to be more sexual upfront which obviously turns most of us away(so another reason for us to not care for using dating apps.) I hate using them myself. I'm a timid person though and generally do prefer …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 02:05 AM
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Oh hey I just realized it's you. This time I remember you lol Honestly, I think as long as there are gender differences, there will be a large amount of people who want to hate them. A postgender society I think would be the only way to totally liberate people. I don't think we can ever totally get rid of people hating others for being different than them, so we should get rid of the differences to reach equality
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 12:22 AM
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People would be justified in hating their oppressors. Afaik, women don't vote for candidates that want to rollback men's rights to some earlier date and it's not as though we live in a matriarchy or something. But, for example, most men voted in such a way that a lot of women lost their reproductive rights in the US and there are many other ways we live in a patriarchy, like somehow a man found liable for SA can be president with no consequences and most rapists get to go free. Men are still tak…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 12:14 AM
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Here, did the labor of finding the obviously-placed pickle jar in the fridge you couldn't find
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 04:51 PM
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Well, with it being equal, then that still suggests men don't go on dates less consistently than women, which was OP's claim
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 04:48 PM
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OP, did you even look into data about this? You claim men cannot get dates consistently(I assume compared to women.) Stats don't support that. The average man goes on 48% more dates than the average woman. I think what's going on is that women are foregoing dating more and more, due to pessimism over there being too many low-key or high-key misogynistic men(which, apparently you don't think is a "dating issue" since you say we don't have them.) However, this seems to go against the narrative tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 04:02 PM
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Yeah, I think the better measure would be observational studies of behavior men have towards women and women have towards men. I think a lot of women probably hold negative views of men, but we are conditioned to treat them kindly and with respect. Men probably have the inverse where they think they hold positive views of women, but then treat them disrespectfully. We just all have a lot of cognitive dissonance or will have it if we introspect about how our beliefs don't match up how we treat th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 09:45 PM
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I'm pretty sure that like a huge majority of approaches, from any gender, gets rejected. That's what I've observed amongst people anyways. It's also been my reality; I do a lot of approaching and rejection is more common than being told yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 07:28 PM
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But these people who genuinely have no options for romance are outliers and tend to have some sort of immutable trait like being VERY ND or VERY unattractive. I'm autistic and conventionally unattractive and when I was living life as a man(trans woman here) I had absolutely no issues getting into a relationship. The vast majority of guys I've known had no issues whatsoever. The only guy I know who does is on the extreme side of timidity - like he doesn't do any approaching because of it. Regardi…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 04:36 AM
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Some women prefer being tradwives than an equal partner though. That's why that rule doesn't work for all women either
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 06:59 AM
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I'm not totally sure what you mean by preselection. I've heard that in certain contexts but I don't think you mean what I think it means lol And thanks! Morgan is awesome :D Not very often you get to be a serial killing woman. We are severely underrepresented amongst serial killers. Edit: also this seems to be the duality of Amy(me). In one comment I claim to be a nice woman and then here I talk about how cool it is to be a serial killing woman lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 06:50 AM
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What if they're calling themselves nice because others called them nice though? I suppose I might have called myself nice a few times before(mostly because others called me that first.) though, you're right in my case that I wasn't a nice guy because I turned out to be a nice woman instead XD But either way, yeah, I'd be careful with a guy who calls himself nice I suppose. There are some who end up being total douchebags
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 06:42 AM
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You know, if you took every single woman's preferences as what you should be doing, then you would never meet it. It's almost like.. idk we are individuals and all have different preferences so you should treat each woman differently depending on what she prefers rather than figuring out a rule on how to treat all women?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 06:40 AM
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AI will expose what you want it to. It's the ultimate confirmation bias tool
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 07:27 AM
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Man, I'm getting good at spotting AI writing
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 07:14 AM
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Literally every woman I've spoken to is not like that. Cool story bro
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 01:18 AM
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Hmm, well I'm not like your friend. Pre-transition, I still mostly had this pattern of re-entering a relationship within a few months of the previous. I'm also only attracted to women, or other non-men. I also got married pre-transition when I was 22. I didn't transition to have an easier time dating - which sounds like your friend did. That's known as transmaxxing. I find that really silly since stats show a huge amount of people wouldn't date us but whatever. I also didn't experience an easier…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 09:59 PM
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Hey, don't knock it. Good advice can come from anywhere. And idk, yeah, there are gonna be struggles I go through you wouldnt have had and struggles you go through I haven't had. But I think everyone can find common ground. Both of us have a bias against us in dating due to an innate trait we had no control over. Also! I'm short for average male height - 30th percentile iirc but I'm in an awkward spot where it's also the 90th percentile for women. So, I'd be short for a man and tall for a woman …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 09:32 PM
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I mean, yeah, probably it plays a role for a lot of people who rejected me. I still don't let that be a reason to be hostile to anyone or go woe is me or anything. And, tbf, I think I've rejected people at about the same rate who approach me. It's just how it is. Most people aren't going to be compatible with another person or attractive or whatever
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 09:13 PM
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I'm pretty sure everyone but chad or Stacy get rejected by the majority of people they ask out. I know I was rejected by easily 4/5 of people I've asked out. I don't go and assume it's because of something I can't control and take it out on them. Even though, statistically ~90% of people reject my demographic just for a trait we didn't choose. I could very well use this as justification for being a dick to people who reject me, but I don't. You should ask yourself why you do
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 09:08 PM
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The problem is he's assuming the rejection is because he's short. Also the conclusion from the reasoning you're giving is that the only way a woman can not be a jerk to short men is to always say yes to dating them. Wtf man. No, the problem is assuming it's always because he's short. I also said nothing about him being a dick for asking a woman out. I was saying he is one if he starts calling her ugly and becomes verbally aggressive from a polite or neutral rejection. If it's an aggressive rejec…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 09:01 PM
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How is reacting with rage, hostility, insults, or verbal aggression, the same energy as a polite or neutral rejection? If the rejection was unnecessarily hostile, then sure, that could provoke a worse response. Anyway, he should care about being nice if he wants to avoid getting the same energy back. Be a dick to her, don't expect her to not height-shame you or do something else back. You kinda ask for it if you're a dick first.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 08:50 PM
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How would I know unless I ask those women? Either way, it doesn't matter. It's valid for people to reject another for any or no reason
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 08:47 PM
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I've never heard of/seen it happening unprovoked. I think I've seen it happen if the man is being aggressive or started calling her ugly first because he couldn't take no for an answer though.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 08:28 PM
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We probably don't call out misandry for the same reason why poc don't call out anti-white racism. It's not a systemic/structural/real issue and was always brought up to diminish the issues of the actually marginalized. For height shaming, I have literally only ever seen men do that to each other and I do call that shit out because it's fucked up. Unless you mean a woman stating a dating preference for a taller man is "height shaming" to you. Yeah, I won't call that out because it's just a dating…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 08:14 PM
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And are only women doing that? In my experience, it seems like a few people of either gender are always there to defend a criminal. Can you name a criminal where only women defended them and no man did?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 08:02 PM
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Men, why do you look at the behaviors of a few women and think all women are like that?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 08:00 PM
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Part of it is also the dark triad traits are less common among women, so fewer women to complain about compared to the number of narcissistic men
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 05:10 AM
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Yeah, I feel like laypeople of any gender can't tell. This is more of a psychology/behavioral expert versus layperson thing
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 05:07 AM
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This would account for some of it, it's more in conjunction with my other points that it would add up This is fairly well-reported on, 30% of Gen Z women are LGBTQIA+ The 60-30 one you quoted came from a survey too, a pew survey. All of these stats generally come from polls about what percent of men or women in relationships is asking them to report if they are. So if you're going to dismiss what polling I brought up, you should also dismiss the one you did
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 11:12 PM
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That theory is so easily disproved though. Like just look up what percent of men are partnered. But I am gonna guess the 80/20 rule is claiming it's about casual fucking and not relationships since sex is what you men care more about... even then that's not true if you look up the percent of women who have had a casual sex experience in the past year(it's below 15% iirc) compared to the percent of men who have being like a quarter. So it's more like 15/25 dude. Most people aren't fucking around …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 10:38 PM
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Seriously like, where do they get this stuff?? I feel like these must be terminally-online men with no experience with what dating is like
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 10:21 PM
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Exactly - the whole framing of the survey, and what the survey is looking at, all seem to be informed by far right talking points
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 01:27 AM
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Someone else in this thread posted the archived article, which makes it free: They have pretty charts and numbers they put in, but no mention of how this was gathered aside from it came from a survey by Merlin Strategy, which has accusations against them that they primarily attract clients that pay for their polling which have far right leanings
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 01:10 AM
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Looks like The New Statesmen pulled those statistics out of their asses. No methodology. And also they're very biased with their framing it as "angry young women", I wouldn't trust this at all. Seems very unscientific
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:56 AM
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Because you pulled those statistics out of your ass
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:19 AM
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Srsly, like if you're gonna make a claim like that it needs to be supported
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:19 AM
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Oh hey! I'm also AuDHD and ace; nice :) I didn't really accept the asexuality of myself until I started transitioning though. I like to think higher and more consistent libido with testosterone made me conflate that with sexual attraction(and I wonder if that's what happens to a lot of men, because polls consistently show there are more aces who are women than men, including more trans women than trans men.), but once that higher libido disappeared it was a lot clearer to me that I wasn't sexual…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 08:55 PM
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Umm, I guess I probably have? I'm not totally sure what you mean though tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 03:46 PM
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Probably! Some of them deny the existence of sex-based discrimination and think it's all down to gender only.. which ignores problems like female infanticide, self-selective abortions against female fetuses(happens in a lot of parts of the world because they value having a son over a daughter.), female genital mutilation, among other issues that are undeniably based on sex at birth or the sex discovered in utero in the case of selective abortions against female fetuses. A lot of things were disc…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 03:36 PM
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Hmm, maybe the phrasing you used in radicalfeminism caused an auto-deletion. They've been making a lot of strides in getting rid of TERFs in the radical feminism sub so if you're not careful how you talk about the biological differences, it might get auto-removed. And yeah, um, I feel like the mainstream trans subs are, well, overzealous with removing stuff about biological differences, to put it mildly. I definitely wouldn't go in those to discuss this unfortunately. I have my own gripes too wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 03:23 PM
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Hmm, I might guess that you think this doesn't occur because a lot of leftists support trans rights so you think they deny any biological realities? I'm otherwise not sure why you think feminists and leftists don't already discuss this. We definitely do. It was the topic of my feminist political theory class and other classes I've had. Also, if that is your assumption that the support of trans rights makes you think they don't discuss this, well, I probably confuse you I guess since I'm a trans …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 03:09 PM
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If you haven't found it yet, you could ask it in r/askfeminists; I'm there and contribute with answers at times. Or you could also go to subreddits dedicated to specific sub-ideologies of feminism, such as r/radicalfeminism if you want a perspective from specific feminists. I'm also in that one lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 02:43 PM
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Oh damn, looks like OP deleted his account out of shame
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 07:25 AM
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Did you watch the whole trial or the edited and out-of-context clips that were spread?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 06:56 AM
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Don't assume you know anything about me. I hold solidarity with all victims of SA and I do think male victims of SA deserve to be believed because I was one. I'm a trans woman but was sexually abused/coerced twice before transitioning(one of which was by a girl btw when I was 16) People didn't believe me, bullied for it, told me because I was a "guy" that I would have wanted it and couldn't be SA'd etc. One thing that I think current feminism has failed in is expanding SA support to men. Once I …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 06:45 AM
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I'm going to guess you fell for all the rumors the bots spread about her
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 06:35 AM
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Yeah, it's super fucked up to use a SA victim as some sort of ideological gotcha. OP doesn't care about Rana at all - just wants to use him to jerk himself off for OwNiNg tHe LiBs
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 06:29 AM
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Ahh, okay, I can see why you're not pink pill then with viewing female privilege as a thing 😅 Well thanks for clearing this up!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 07:38 PM
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I was always of the impression black pill focuses on men: the men who view themselves as never going to be happy or date because of their looks and they believe women only want Chad and stuff. When the perspective is about women being reduced to looks, I thought it was part of pink pill
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 06:58 PM
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Ahh I see yeah I guess it's a definition thing! You are probably right then that there would be some man who'd have sex. Huh I couldn't dm you either 🤔 that's odd! But I totally support cis women's choice to get plastic surgery. It's the societal pressures that exist for women's beauty standards that I hate and I can understand when anyone chooses it
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 05:18 AM
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I am pretty sure she doesn't. We're both asexual so I find it unlikely she would. But I suppose I could ask her
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 05:13 AM
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There's actually a lot of common ground between us. I agree with like 80% of what you said here. Where we diverge is I would think there is still the possibility for a woman to be involuntarily celibate because, say, for example, she is strucken with mental illnesses(which you believe is genetic). These mental illnesses can be so extreme that she stays entirely at home and never goes out, perhaps agoraphobia. Perhaps she also get panics when socializing with others. These things can absolutely p…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 03:09 AM
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That's... weird. The original incel, the one who coined the term, was a woman named Alana. Idk why you'd think women can only be volcel. That's like a misogynstic incel assumption and ignores that history altogether. You're also just dismissing the experiences of femcels. They usually claim it's involuntarily, so you must think they're liars then or something. Hmm, I never really saw any of those ideas as solely blackpill though. Like, does anyone deny the existence of pretty privilege which is …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 02:32 AM
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You're blackpilled? I don't get why any woman would be blackpilled. I'm very curious about it if you don't mind sharing. If it's because you're a femcel, I always thought they fell under the pink pill umbrella(they seem to be with us radfems in pinkpill spaces)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 02:14 AM
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Men being themselves upfront is definitely a good idea - then less women will get roped into the facade of men that suddenly disappears once women are too deep into the relationship. We will get to see upfront how porn-brained you are, how much of a slob you are, how much you need someone to be a mommy to you, etc and never fall in love with your type again. So yeah, please be yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 02:11 AM
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Women score higher in cognitive empathy than men on average and studies usually consistently find we're more interested in people than things. It is heavily debated on why this is the case - maybe it's socialization but there is also evidence to suggest a biological cause. There are also studies which indicate prenatal testosterone exposure influences one's interests they develop in childhood and later in life. Then higher circulating testosterone in an individual causes status-seeking and compe…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 09:46 PM
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Well, when I tell them I'm lesbian it pretty much implies I find all men unattractive
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:48 PM
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Because a lot of women chose to not work. More women are stay-at-home partners than men. Though, that trend is reversing among Gen Z. Gen Z women are rejecting the "traditional" lifestyle more than previous generations of women. And it shows with gen Z men having higher unemployment rates than Gen Z women
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:33 PM
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Yeah, they are still men? I didn't say they weren't. I'm just saying that their experience overlaps more with women too than cis men because both trans men and women are sexualized and objectified. For trans men, it's their trans status that does it though
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:26 PM
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I didn't realize that making stuff illegal means it never again happens. Pack it up y'all, looks like murderers and rapists are a thing of the past no one ever deals with
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:24 PM
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They're also trans which means they deal with fetishization and sexualization in dating that cis men don't deal with. The trans man experience is not the same as cis men
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:23 PM
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Yep. They're still sexualized and fetished in dating which cis men largely aren't. Trans people of any gender and cis women are the primary targets of that sexualization and cis men would never understand it
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:21 PM
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You can edit for a custom flair, like I did
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:54 PM
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The first thing that clued me in were the key terms in this subreddit. It says: Pink pill beliefs generally believe in gender differences similar to The Red Pill, however, there is a larger focus on male nature, and the potential issues it can cause for women and how to deal with these issues. Pink pillers also tend to align with or be radical feminists, and tend to disagree with liberal feminism. Since I'm a radical feminist I figured that pink pill made most sense to describe me and I do view …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:46 PM
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My academic background is in psychology and queer studies - both of which dive quite a bit into gender, with the latter especially doing so, being a specialization in women's, gender, and sexuality studies. There are other studies which confirm that testosterone increases status-seeking behavior though - I've read a few of them. For example, this one I read some time ago confirms testosterone causes those behaviors as well, but also notes that cortisol plays a role in men's desires to compete ag…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:52 AM
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There's a reason why patriarchy got started - men started it. What drove them to do so before it existed? But for that matter, I do include trans men with how I view men. I think testosterone is a key biological reason for men's behavior, so once a trans man is on T, it absolutely includes him. But yes, now I think patriarchy also encourages and exacerbates the behavior, but men got motivated to create patriarchy from somewhere. Testosterone causes status-seeking and competitive behaviors, so I …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:21 AM
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Asexual lesbian trans woman here. I never understood men's issues tbh and still don't. Even before I transitioned and I presented as one, men's issues were foreign to me and I always vibed more with women's issues. Never had problems finding a relationship with a woman. Which is why I suspect the complaints from men are all about sex in reality(especially when I grew up in their spaces and witnessed literal "locker room talk", I know what kinda shit y'all say about women when you think no woman …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 04:15 AM
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Don't you see a difference between the pills? You're literally flaired blue pill. So why do you see yourself as blue pill instead of, like, idk "no pill" like others in this thread under the automod have if you really think there's no difference between pills? If you think there's no difference between them, it makes no sense to label yourself blue pill
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 03:31 AM
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What do you see as culty in the pink pill?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 03:10 AM
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Yeah, we'd fall under that I suppose, but like the overlap isn't 1:1. I don't think pink pill is as superficial as much of what is in FDS types. At least my interpretation of pink pill is dating strategies on how women can protect themselves from men. But FDS is broader and also includes superficial stuff like how to score a rich man
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 03:02 AM
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That's what I thought! Though, I guess I'll wait to see to hear from more blue pillers about this before deciding to turn my flair back to include both haha
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 02:58 AM
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No. We aren't like the red pill at all. Generally our emphasis is recognizing the harm men are to women and how to go about dating to protect yourself from men's tendencies. That's very opposed to the red pill which emphasizes male dating strategy with misogynistic overgeneralizations and pseudo-psychoanalyses of women in order to manipulate us into dating them
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 02:53 AM
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Agreed with you except the last paragraph saying that those are red pill talking points (I agree with the points themselves though lol) Isn't what you said in your last paragraph pink pill, not red pill? This is why I have myself flagged as pink pilled personally, and well, because I'm a radical feminist and the sub's key terms said usually we are under the pink pill umbrella which I agreed with based on my understanding of pink pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 02:01 AM
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Oh cool! And thanks. I wish I could return the compliment, but I don't remember where we chatted before 🤔 was it this sub? And idk about attraction and porn meaning they'd date trans people. Like you pointed out, queerphobia is ingrained in masculinity. Watching porn and being attracted to someone in secret is totally different than dating someone since it's a lot more likely to be public or found out about. Maybe there are more people willing to date trans people if either their relationship or…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 06:59 PM
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We've met before? Yeah I don't often reveal I'm trans I suppose! Well, idk why anyone would feel a need to hide it in an anonymous survey though but maybe you're right
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 05:12 PM
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No. I don't think we can take anecdotes as being evidence of that(though, if you want to listen to anecdote, I'll share my experience as a trans woman too below.) But the actual studies on this topic prove otherwise, such as this one indicating 87.5% of people would never date a trans person(with it even higher for transfem people; as it notes, there's a masc priviliging where even lesbians would prefer dating trans men over a trans woman for instance.) Also, why would you only listen to transma…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 04:41 AM
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Your source is a blog post which cites inaccessible data, doesn't talk about methodology, and you claim that gaming and social networks are negatively correlated with anti-feminist views, but the blog posts' graphs don't show that: just that the decreased feminist views of boys were not as pronounced among gamers and boys with social networks (the decline in feminist views still happened to an extent), if we take the graphs at face value, but anyone can create a graph (we still need access to th…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 06:49 AM
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I mean, neither do I 🤷‍♀️ I'm a sex-averse lesbian or a bambi lesbian. Wanting sex with women isn't the requirement to being a lesbian (or bi if you're actually bi)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 09:31 PM
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Yeah, fr. When I hear them complaining about mixed signals, they clearly have never talked to any wlw. It's on a whole other level
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 06:49 AM
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This is so true and it makes it so difficult for us sapphics to figure out if your bestie is platonically flirting with you or legit flirting with you. I speak from experience. I think it's why there's a running joke in the lesbian community that we don't do anything to make a move no matter how seemingly obvious it seems like another woman is into us because women can get so seriously homoerotic with their playful flirting with no actual romantic intent. Like, another woman could straight up ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 06:12 AM
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Just wait until you see /womenarenotintomen
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 06:08 AM
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Believe me, as a lesbian, most women aren't into women. There have been far more malfunctioning gaydar moments* for me where another woman I was interested in tells me they're straight than otherwise *because so many traditionally lesbian fashion styles and mannerisms became mainstream 😭
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 05:57 AM
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Yeah, back in the day, I confused a lot of dog owners who warned me their dogs hate men but didn't seem to hate me lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 01:00 AM
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It's also so fascinating to me that this happens for trans women too. Dogs almost always warm up to trans women quicker than men
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 11:44 PM
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Also, studies on dogs and cats usually show them warming up to women more quickly than men. So who knows. I also don't see how the behavior of animals towards the genders translate to dating at all
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 11:43 PM
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Idk, personally I don't frame it as trying to control women as much as it's just misogynistic to overgeneralize women. It's also just wrong. Like, you can see plenty of men who are partnered that don't fit the high status, tall, etc narrative. It's like less than 1% of dudes who fit that and half of men are partnered. You could say that women prefer those things, but not choose them because they do ultimately choose other men. You might describe it as settling, but also, like let me pose a quest…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 01:23 AM
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Yeah. I wish more people knew the enneagram is pseudoscience. The five factor model is what's more scientific
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 10:59 PM
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Thank you. To add, while there were a ton of barriers for women to enter these fields, it is also important to note most people who enter and are even interested in politics and business are men as well. And government and capitalism, two systems that reward people who dominate others, with hegemonic masculinity promoting domination, were created because of patriarchy. The male-dominated fields are ones that pay more and are detached from working with people or if they do, it's in positions to d…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 10:33 PM
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Most 3s are men though, which makes sense since testosterone causes status-seeking behaviors
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 10:09 PM
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As a transgender woman, I have a unique experience of being able to chime in on this from both sides. Pretty privilege Well, tbh men have this too, though I would call it attractive privilege. Plenty of studies in social psychology suggest those who are attractive have an easier time getting promoted, have easier time dating, and a lot of things in life. There are men who have this so idk why they think it's uniquely a woman's experience Men are less agreeable... While true, I've consistently sc…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 06:57 PM
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Personally, I am modifying my body for female attention(and to feel good about myself) rather than male attention. It just comes with unfortunate side effect of getting (mostly) male attention. Anyhow, be careful of goomba fallacy. Are the women who say to stop objectifying them really the same ones who objectify themselves? Just do the modified golden rule: treat others how they wish to be treated. If someone enjoys the attention that objectifying them gives, then it's okay. If someone doesn't,…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 10:56 PM
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Yes. Though, the actual percent might be in question(probably lower than what the total reported right now is), considering the percent of women who identify as LGBTQIA+ rises each generation, with it at around 30% for gen z women, mostly driven by bisexual women. I think the percent of women who experience same-gender attraction is higher than the total reported amongst all ages, but it's just that a lot of the older generations wouldn't have considered identifying differently. I can't state ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 10:18 PM
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Usually queer circles, so that would probably be why
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 05:40 AM
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As someone doing it, I do. I've never been flirted with by a non-romantically involved woman before transition, but it happens fairly often after now.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 05:29 AM
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You'd be surprised at how much modern medical techniques for liposcupturing can do. For those born with wider shoulders, there is clavicle shortening surgery. It actually isn't something I need since I was one of the lucky few to have been born with narrower shoulders for someone who was amab.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 05:23 AM
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Nah. Depending on where you're at, you could get a lot of stuff for gender-affirming care. Like facial feminization surgeries, body contouring, and so much stuff that the average woman wouldn't have access to for improving her looks. It's all part of transmaxing
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 05:12 AM
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Ah, that makes sense you like being male then
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 05:07 AM
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Your loss 🤷‍♀️ the future is female, so it's only going to get harder for you
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 05:03 AM
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Exactly. And Gen Z is showing many women are queerer than ever. There's a huge disparity between how many Gen Z women are partnered versus Gen Z men, and the former are gayer than ever, so put two and two together for how the disparity exists
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 04:59 AM
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The best way for people born male to looksmax is actually to transmax because women are seen as more attractive than men, according to the gender attractiveness gap. Even women rate women more attractive than they rate men, consistrntly across dozens and dozens of cultures. A "Chad" is at best a 7-8 while only Stacy's are at 10. Many trans women report getting a ton more compliments after transition too that they never got when presenting male. Many also get hit on more by men(and sometimes more…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 04:17 AM
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So you start off with a fearmongering claim. Most Muslims don't want to bring sharia law into where they emigrate to. But I guess you're going to parrot whatever propaganda you took in on that. Anyhow, most men are like what you described too. It's pretty well studied in social psychology that we all want to fit in and be accepted by the groups we are part of. Almost everyone tones down their real opinions to be accepted. Just take a look at how people are online, where they have relative anonym…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 04:05 AM
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Um, not sure who you're quoting but it's not me
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 09:14 PM
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Actually engaging in casual sex is different than wanting it. You subtly moved the goalposts here. I also am not sure casual sex is more common now than the past. In the past, it's likely people had to hide it more. Did they engage less in it? Idk. I mean, during prohibition, alcohol consumption went up, it just went underground. I don't see why casual sex wouldn't have had a similar effect when viewed as a taboo. Men usually get off on what is taboo. Edit: It seems to support this, btw, that we…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 10:02 PM
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Have you ever looked at what studies show about this? You're objectively wrong about that. I think there's also a reason why there's such a huge disparity among asexuals too%2C%20compared%20with%2014%25%20who%20were%20assigned%20male%20at%20birth), the overwhelming majority were female at birth. Testosterone really does a lot here, I think, to make you want casual sex and viewing others through a sexual lens.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 09:53 PM
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You must be choosing women who are like that or something. The relationships I know tend to be pretty equitable where both parties get each other gifts and provide for each other- after all most women work now so there's no reason why they'd be seeking a man to provide for them since they can provide for themselves. Really, the only women looking for a man to provide are tradwives. Many of them also seem to think femininity is all about using men as tools, getting them to do things for them, wea…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 05:45 AM
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I mean, I can Google, sure, which you can too. From googling "psychology of sexuality YouTube channels", Dr. Bev Knox is another one and then Dr. Lori Beth Bisby. So just to put them all in one place: 1) Psychology with Dr. Ana 2) Dr. Bev Knox 3) Dr. Lori Beth Bisby
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 06:59 PM
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Well, I edited in a couple places. One of which is a YouTuber. Why do you require YouTubers specifically though?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 06:55 PM
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Have you seen any dating advice that doesn't promote RP beliefs? If so, that's BP. BP is just everything in dating that isn't red-pilled. I'm sure you've seen female dating strategy websites and the subreddit. That falls under BP, as does every other non-rp dating advice. It's just not usually gonna be labeled as blue pill. Edit: Since you want three, I'll count female dating strategy as one. Another one is the YouTuber Psychology with Dr. Ana, which I love. She gives quite a bit of dating advic…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 06:50 PM
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Sure, but the actual ideology of radical feminism, contributed to by women like Catharine MacKinnon and Andrea Dworkin, is overwhelmingly supportive of trans people's rights. Radical feminists that are trans-exclusionary are fairly rare, and seem to mostly be in the UK for some reason. I would say even here on Reddit trans-inclusive radical feminists(TIRFs) are more common than TERFs. It just seems like the latter is because it's become a bit of a buzzword in the sense that way too many trans pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 06:28 PM
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No need to be patronizing. I've been here for years now, so I know what the sub is about. I was simply chiming in on a comment that brought this point up, which, btw, the OP commented back on this acknowledging he also didn't think about there being female red pillers in response to my above comment. So, maybe don't speak for OP when you're wrong based on how OP replied? And honestly, there's no reason the pills must be only about straight dating and plenty of topics just relating to gender come…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 03:43 AM
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Some of it is. Most radfems I would say aren't though. If you check out the radicalfeminism subreddit, they have rules against terfs
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 12:16 AM
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Um, Zillennial 🤷‍♀️ Different sources put my birth year as millennial, others as Gen Z so I just identify with both sorta lol but either way I'm a cusper
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 12:03 AM
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If that 80/20 thing is true, I actually explained it as women going for their looksmatch (or in the case of Stacy, having to date hypogamously) in this comment . Women are seen as more attractive than men, by both women and men in what's been dubbed the gender attractiveness gap. So a Stacy, who's a 10/10, would have to settle for Chad who's 7-8/10(there's like no men who are 9 or 10 since men are less attractive than women, thus Chad is less attractive than Stacy) The average woman is 2-3 numbe…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 03:47 PM
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Yeah, OP didn't exactly think that through. Ace lesbian radical feminist here 👋
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 03:43 PM
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Well, not too difficult once you know where to look. There are various asexual spaces, most online, and that's where I've found other aces to date. I did the math once and aces are about 1% of the population and then like 1/2 of that would be a demographic I'm capable of being attracted to who are also capable of being attracted to women(most aces aren't men and then like a majority are bi or lesromantic interestingly enough - most aces are not heteromantic). Of that there's probably about 1/3 w…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 03:32 PM
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You might need to revisit what I said. I didn't claim it is an objective fact, but that's it's as close as one can get. Of course, beauty is subjective, but taking the ratings of many cultures and peoples around the world is as good as it gets. While you could only point to one ancient culture for male beauty(more of an outlier tbh), the study looks at dozens of cultures and finds this trend to be true across the board. Basically, even if this study is true, all it does is indicate that women ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 04:23 AM
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With your edit added, there's no downside to this at all. Like, it's non-negotiable for any partner I have for the relationship to be sex-free since I'm a sex-averse asexual lesbian lol it's also what my gf and I are already doing. So it'd be like what I already have just we'd be more compatible and probably not broke
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 03:36 AM
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The studies were done without cosmetics obviously, but you didn't take a look at the studies' methodologies and reflexively responded with irrelevence
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 03:10 AM
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Women are also considered more attractive across many cultures and by both women and men in what's known as the gender attractiveness gap. Interestingly, women even rated other women higher than men rated women on average. It's about as objective as one can get that women are just more attractive than men on average. So, most women do end up having to settle for a man that is uglier than her. Even "Chad", as you can see on your scale, would be like a 7 or 8 at best compared to a Stacy who's a 10…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 05:56 PM
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You can't just say "data shows" without showing that data lol. Do you care to cite that data?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 06:45 AM
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The top 10% basically have women throwing themselves at them Isn't this true for women too? Like, the top 10% of women would have people throwing themselves at them too. It's called pretty/handsome privilege. Top 10% of people of any gender always has it easier in dating(and other areas of life since they also get promoted easier and other benefits that come with attractive privilege.) So what exactly is your point? Then, the other 90% of men gets to convince the leftover women that they are wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 06:37 AM
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Not exactly. Toxic masculinity does enforce heterosexual norms, but compulsory heterosexuality isn't really identifiable until someone realizes they really weren't straight and that society pushed them to deny their authentic sexuality. Women are more likely to realize and accept they aren't straight(you have like a third of gen z women who are queer versus less than 10% of men who are identifying as such), so compulsory heterosexuality is something they can talk about because their authentic se…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 04:31 AM
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Goomba fallacy strikes again
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 11:50 AM
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Oh yeah, absolutely. Most single women are not femcels or forever alone. But both are on the rise as OP noted
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 12:46 PM
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There are r/foreveralonewomen though, and femcel subreddits, like r/femcelgrippysockjail, and remember the original incel who coined the term was a woman, Alana was her name I believe. Though, yeah, eventually that evolved into calling women and men different terms, femcel and incel respectively, since the latter evolved into being associated with misogyny
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 12:42 PM
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Do any of the women you know suffer from any mental illnesses, have low self-esteem, are neurodiverse, or excessively shy/timid?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 12:24 PM
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While I agree more women are voluntarily single, it also is true more are lonely than ever too and having difficulty dating. While it's often characterized as a "male" loneliness epidemic, it is more accurately a general one(and, as usual, men are being centered at it at the expense of women.) Women, on average, are more lonely than ever before too. Here's a good article about this I recommend perusing: https://now.org/blog/a-new-era-of-dating-what-the-male-loneliness-epidemic-discourse-signals-…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 12:14 PM
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My best guess is a couple things: overly relying on technology at the expense of in-person interactions; people are having to work more hours and be career-focused if they wanna have the same opportunities as parents did. This means sacrificing interpersonal relationships too. I get plenty of men hitting on me or asking for my number for some reason, even though I'm a 4 on the PSL scale. And it's to my own dismay since I'm a partnered asexual lesbian. If I could, I'd send those men their way but…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 12:13 PM
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The two are not comparable. That said, I want non-life-saving circumcision banned and all genital surgeries on kids and infants. Certain people enforce a binary gender ideology on intersex kids with a "conforming" genital surgey for example. If a surgery isn't life-saving, I don't think it should be done on any infant due to lack of consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 09:59 AM
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Do you have any empirical evidence for anything you just said? The only thing you said that I do accept is that more Gen Z women are partnered than Gen Z men, but one thing that's interesting to note is that far more Gen Z women are also queer now. It's like 1/3 of young women now versus, I think less than 10% of gen z men who are queer. So I'd be curious to know what percent of the partnered women are partnered to other women versus gen z men who are partnered to men. I'm sure some of the reaso…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 06:57 AM
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You are painting feminism very broadly here and more of as caricature of what you think it is. There are numerous sub-ideologies within feminism. For example, I'll replace the quotes you gave with what I see men doing and what I would say as a radical anarcha-feminist (one of the many sub-ideologies of feminism.) A man says: "There's too many poor people, we should do something about it avoid being poor ourselves and maybe find a way to exploit those poor."(hence men gave us capitalism, colonial…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 06:25 AM
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There are plenty of happily partnered blue pilled men; some are even in this subreddit; why don't you make a post asking about them? You can direct it to blue pill and then ask the men there how their dating life is. People have a tendency to only take note of what's extraordinary though rather than what is usual. Stop blaming women for the (faulty) conclusions men come to because of their frequency illusions. No one is forcing you to believe one way or another about women's dating behaviors. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 07:19 PM
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I don't. I'm a queer woman, so amongst my demographic gender non-conformance is quite common. I don't expect any partner I have to adhere to female gender roles just because she's a woman. If I were bi or straight, I can say I wouldn't expect a boyfriend to adhere to male gender roles either.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 07:17 AM
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Honestly, this is kind of silly. I'm a radfem(have also studied feminist theory in several academic classes), but I mean, what are you going to do to enforce this? You're not a mod. Even if you were, I would think it's futile to gatekeep the word. Every discussion often has to be repeated. Debates get repeated a lot: you'd be hard-pressed to find a completely original argument in any debate space; they're the exception rather than the norm. Does it make debate worthless? I don't think so. I don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 07:15 AM
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Assuming those feminists are genuinely hypocritical, it has no bearing on the merits of feminism itself. Every movement has hypocrites and non-hypocrites
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 07:11 AM
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Yeah, hypomania can be especially difficult to catch. I wouldn't expect a layperson to do so. I've experienced it and study psychology(especially clinical and abnormal psychology as I'm looking to become a therapist), and an unusual amount of my friends or former friends also have bipolar(I guess us bipolar folks know how to find each other lol) so I know what to look for, but probably most people don't unless it's straight up, full-blown mania and obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 07:58 PM
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mania Yep, that's very true. It can make people hypersexual. I remember one woman who just straight up propositioned me for sex in a psychiatric hospital (before I transitioned.)* I think since I'm ace though, I lucked out with a type of bipolar 1 that doesn't cause hypersexuality. I have had mania where I was like craving romance more though and being kinda impulsive and stupid with it, so maybe I was like, hyperromantic if that's a thing. Anyhow, I would caution against accepting any advances …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 07:35 PM
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I expect men to not date me. No exceptions
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 07:27 PM
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Average marrying age for women is under 30, so most women settle down in their 20s. Thus none of these memes would be representative of most women
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 08:39 PM
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Yes and I don't like being friends with anyone who lacks empathy for any other marginalized group too
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 10:06 AM
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Most women aren't victims of SA. I believe the latest stat was 1 in 4 have been. Most autistic women have been though. Idk what the rate is for us to choose to stop dating men though
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 10:23 AM
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Some women do 4B. So, yeah, some do give up on dating because of how dangerous it is. Technically I am doing that since I only date other women now. Never going back to men, or any amab nonbinary people. At this point I don't find any attractive anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 10:09 AM
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Or that we think finding a loving partner is better than either the options of being abused or being alone?? I don't see why it means what you said it does.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 09:58 AM
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Yes, I did see one and I've seen other autistic men think similarly. But yeah, I get what you're saying. It's probably still a minority who think this way and most men, even most autistic men probably don't think this way
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 09:56 AM
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Thank you. That's what I'm trying to say here since a lot of autistic men have this problem of trying to out-oppression Olympics autistic women and diminishing our struggles. You can see that already with one autistic man who commented he'd rather deal with additional abuse and have a partner than be alone and basically considers the abuse a smaller problem
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 09:46 AM
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Well, the topic of my post was what I replied to your comment with(I was pointing out autistic women have the dating struggle of higher rates of sexual abuse). So if you weren't implying that, then you were ignoring the point of my post
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 09:42 AM
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Why are you putting autism aside? That's kind of the main topic of my post here. And I suspect you didn't really read what I talked about. I acknowledge that autistic men have a harder time with finding dates or getting laid than autistic women would. I'm bringing attention to a separate issue of likelihood of being sexually abused. 9 out of 10 autistic women have been and 7 out of 10 have been more than once.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 09:41 AM
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So you think not getting a date is worse than being abused? Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 09:35 AM
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Yep. Which, don't get me wrong - I'm not trying to out oppression Olympics autistic men. I'm just trying to shed light on what autistic women deal with too since we've been outright dismissed a lot of times here and autistic men claim to have it worse than us. Let's just stop trying to say who has it worse and maybe extend some compassion instead and recognize we each have our own struggles?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 09:33 AM
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I probably would be too, but that's not what I was arguing against. I agree autistic men have a harder time finding a date. What my issue was with is viewing this as worse than the issues autistic women deal with - like our insanely high SA rate and thus often suffering with PTSD because of it. Would you rather be a forever virgin or afflicted with PTSD due to repeated sexual trauma from exes?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 09:23 AM
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It sounded like OP said the self mods banned the entire topic of dating - it wasn't only banned for men
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 09:36 PM
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That isn't contradictory. I'm not saying it's a tenet of the blue pill, just that's it's a fairly common belief of bp'ers. Bp'ers can still have any belief, and advocating self-improvement isn't something that is unique to trp
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 07:19 AM
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It doesn't reject that. They definitely believe some guys can become Chad through self-improvement. They simply believe that for oneself it's pointless because they see themselves as too chopped. So, they overall believe self-improvement is possible for most guys, just not themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 08:56 PM
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I feel like black pill and red pill ultimately argue the same things about "women's nature", the reality of dating etc. I'm under the impression that black pill is basically under the redpill umbrella but they specifically are nihilistic, feeling hopeless about dating, and are basically incell-y. TRP believes women all go for Chad, which blackpillers also believe. While there are a lot of redpillers who believe in self-improvement, I'm not sure that's a defining aspect of the red pill because pl…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 08:49 PM
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That's a tenet of the red pill? I've not seen any rp'ers here express that before, and it isn't mentioned in the key terms here. But I could be mistaken then
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 08:47 AM
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Nah, the "black pill" (what incels are) I think is best described as a sub-category of the red pill. If I'm not mistaken, the black pill believes everything red pillers do, but also view themselves as fucked over, dating is hopeless, are nihilistic, etc. None of that is incompatible with the red pill afaik, and thus blackpillers also believe everything else that red pillers do.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 04:22 AM
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Definitions are never really objective tbh. They just are what they are because society says so. Within the confines of this subreddit, it's the definition to be used in this sub and is the one I go with. It's why I identify with the blue pill myself since I'm not a red piller. What common talking points are you taking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 04:19 AM
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Have you looked up what the blue pill means in this subreddit? I'll copy and paste it here from the basic terms page: To BPers, "blue pill" is basically disagreeing with TRP, usually with it's stance on women, relationships, and/or science. Generally by agreeing with societies mainstream view of these matters (hence, the blue pill). There's no set philosophy or goal other than disagreeing with RPers, so TheRedPill and TheBluePill shouldn't be seen as two contrasting ideologies so much as one str…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 10:35 PM
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Have you looked up what the blue pill means in this subreddit? I'll copy and paste it here from the basic terms page: To BPers, "blue pill" is basically disagreeing with TRP, usually with it's stance on women, relationships, and/or science. Generally by agreeing with societies mainstream view of these matters (hence, the blue pill). There's no set philosophy or goal other than disagreeing with RPers, so /r/TheRedPill and /r/TheBluePill shouldn't be seen as two contrasting ideologies so much as o…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 10:34 PM
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Idk what to tell ya man - if my point isn't coming across I suppose there's no other point to this discussion. I'll try one more time to articulate what I'm saying. I personally do see trans women as female/women. I also think it's possible for someone else to support the rights of trans women while also not thinking of them as women(people have rights regardless of their gender after all.) What I, personally, view trans women as is a separate issue from whether I think someone supporting trans …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 12:40 PM
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I do believe trans women are women? All I'm saying is for others who don't but otherwise support their rights, that doesn't make them pathetic. It makes their view nuanced
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 12:33 PM
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"often", "core tenet of transgender advocacy and gender affirmation," not specifically rights. a woman trying to convince me that trans support doesn't involve seeing trans women as women Nah, that's not what I'm doing. I do think seeing trans women as women is a part of trans support. I just think it's different from a human rights issue - making others label you as you want in their heads isn't recognized as a human right anywhere I know of. Bodily autonomy, privacy, and such often are though …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 12:27 PM
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Those are two different things though. Supporting trans rights isn't the same as seeing trans women as female. Though, you'd think they go hand-in-hand, but it's not necessarily the case. You can support trans people doing what they want their own bodies while personally an opinion they aren't the sex that they transition to. And, if I were to guess, they probably want trans women in women's restrooms because the alternative would mean trans men would be in them if they wanted restrooms to be ba…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 12:12 PM
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I'm a bit confused. You say you're not into women in one sentence and would rather watch trans porn (implying trans women aren't women) but then you do say they are real women
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 11:48 AM
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I don't think you'd see as much pro-trans stuff if the anti-trans crowd didn't start a culture war against them. A lot of the pro-trans stuff comes from people who believe in body autonomy responding to the uptick of people wanting to ban and regulate what trans people do with their own bodies. If those people just left them alone, you probably wouldn't see as much about trans people in general, including pro-trans. It doesn't surprise me, though, that you'd characterize a lot of women as intell…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 11:44 AM
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I don't think it says anything about a shift in sexuality as much as it suggests increased curiosity about and sexualization of transgender bodies
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 11:34 AM
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There are tax benefits, reduced insurance rates, social security benefits(a spouse can get social security evaluated based on the other spouse's income if it's higher)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 02:36 PM
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I think you're way overestimating that. Trans (women) porn is one of the top categories amongst straight men(that is, men who identify as straight). Meaning those men are attracted to women as a whole. Are you suggesting that because they're into women with dicks that makes them bi in reality then? It's an odd distinction because those men are pretty decidedly not attracted to men - just cis and trans women which, since they're not into cisgender men, it means genitalia isn't the focus or what m…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 09:11 PM
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Transphobes are pretty messed up - reducing people's genders down to genitals and sexuality to what genitals you like is so fucking reductionist
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 09:07 PM
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Well, it kinda does contradict it. The last part is offering a few different points of view for dating, saying a blue piller could have any three of those views, which is what I'm saying that BP'ers could have any set of beliefs, as long as they just reject the red pill beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 02:00 PM
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But yeah, using a Google AI search again, I asked if this is true that it uses an algorithm which caters to you personally: https://preview.redd.it/u13qto2astng1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=ad88eabe44659c6c2bfcca4fce41a1cabf9c8f3f
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 01:44 PM
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But yeah, using a Google AI search again, I asked if this is true that it uses an algorithm which causes to you personally: https://preview.redd.it/l38ahdt3stng1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=9e8e03343a70f199a7255e079dd4207145fd96ed
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 01:43 PM
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The funny thing about Google results is they'll be based on algorithmic matches to what you're interested in, what you already believe in, of how you frame the question, and whatnot. As you can see, I got a very different result from Google's AI. It's why I wouldn't put much weight on what your Google search results show https://preview.redd.it/vnp5awfkqtng1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=c7cf46a13cfbfc5d894c1f5e22d8ad09b02b5d0d
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 01:34 PM
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You're in PPD - so PPD's definition, what I quoted above, should be what's accepted here, not google's
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 01:17 PM
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I think you misunderstand what the blue pill is. While those are some pieces of advice that some blue pillers might give, those aren't tenants of the blue pill or something. The BP is simply a rejection of the red pill. What tenets it has beyond that are open for any blue piller to decide.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 01:10 PM
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Yeah, it's why I didn't make this a direct comment to OOP. It's under the automated comment saying to put irrelevant comments under it for a reason. The other person is directly responding to me though, so a tangent is an issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 12:59 PM
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Yeah, it's ineffective long-term, definitely. Usually helping people develop empathy for the marginalized is what would allow for long-term change. But, that's the thing: that route is ineffective for short-term change. Shame is very effective for short-term change, ineffective for long-term change though. So progress would kinda need both an effective short-term change tactic(especially one is crucial when the prejudice against a particular group is boiling over, risking genocide, like with tra…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 05:17 AM
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Well, my intention is I'm not totally convinced all shaming is necessarily bad. I do think bigots should be shamed
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 05:09 AM
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Okay, so, let's suppose that the dating preference is entirely because of that transphobic reason. He thinks it would make him gay - and he would otherwise not have the preference if he didn't think that way. Is it acceptable to shame him for that preference?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 05:05 AM
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So, with recognizing that in reality, it's usually the opposite of what I'm about to bring up; usually it's the case men would shame other men for dating someone trans, I want to ask if specific types of shaming would be okay by you? For instance, if a man were to shame another straight man for the dating preference of "no trans women", calling him transphobic - is that acceptable shaming? Or perhaps shaming someone for other bigoted dating preferences (i.e excluding an entire race). Basically, …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 04:52 AM
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I haven't shamed anyone though. The difference here is that women have historically been oppressed when they have had many sexual partners. It's rooted in misogyny and likely that "preference" is too. Men with such a preference should ask why they have that preference? And your example about short men - that's rooted in heightism, another historical oppression. Anyone with that preference should also ask themselves why they have it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 04:09 AM
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Lmao, imagine twisting this around as a shame against men when women are simply asking to not be judged or shamed for the high body counts. Like, what you're seeing is a reaction to the men policing women on high body counts. You have it very backwards. Somehow women fighting against that policing of their sexual behavior is actually policing men 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 03:55 AM
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Yeah, they also police women's sexual tastes and dating choices. Men just love to coerce everyone into being and doing what they want in both areas
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 03:39 AM
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The gender attractiveness gap shows that the average woman is more attractive than the average man. Probability-wise, this means women dating men are more likely to date a guy below a looksmatch. A "Stacy" dating a "Chad" is dating below her league. So "an average looking dude" is less attractive than "an average looking woman." And that attractiveness gap is observed across all cultures, every gender, pretty much everywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 12:17 AM
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Again, empirical study > anecdote
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 12:04 AM
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My claim wasn't that women are attractive, but that they're more attractive than men. That's a comparative argument. If it is the case that the women and men are both ugly in your area, the women would be less so on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 11:59 PM
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Empirical study > personal anecdote
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 11:52 PM
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I provided evidence for my claims - quite literally the opposite of a delusion(a belief in something despite being shown overwhelming evidence disproving it.) You, on the other hand, might be experiencing a delusion of grandeur since you view yourself as better than most people
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 11:48 PM
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A number of factors. Divorce rates have gone up, more people getting pregnant outside of marriage than in the past, and women having the highest economic status they've had in history means they can afford to provide for children on their own
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 11:45 PM
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Chad is the looksmatch for a lot of women(and for Stacy's, Chad is well below their league). Since women are more attractive on average than men, most end up having to settle for hypogamy in the end, being with someone below their league. And for gen Z women the pay gap has reversed too and more women own homes than men. More women are getting higher education than men too. So, yeah, a lot of gen z women are going to be hypogamous now when they marry, or else stay single, or look into dating oth…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 11:38 PM
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Yep. I started getting carded again after hrt even though I wasn't before it
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 11:35 PM
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Even without makeup and stuff, the gender attractiveness gap is a well-observed fact where women are rated more attractive than men across all genders, all cultures, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 11:34 PM
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I don't really get why you have this framing that there are "blue pill studies" and "red pill studies." Like, blue pill and red pill are basically interpretations or beliefs about stuff going on in dating. Since they're interpretative, neither would be supported by studies(other than perhaps in the discussion section of studies, which are the least scientific part of them ofc since that's just the opinions of the researchers)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 01:07 AM
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You'll have to be more specific. I haven't really seen any studies that provide evidence for the red pill tenets. I've seen red pill interpretations of studies, but that's not empirical and there can be non-red pill interpretations of those same studies too.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 12:58 AM
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I'm trans though and I didn't have issues prior to my transition either. But I suppose I have to concede I have no clue how to attract straight women though and I wouldn't ever learn that lol. Even back then before accepting myself as trans all the women who were interested in me enough for a relationship were bi and weirdly one lesbian, but I think that one was because she was looking for a lavender relationship due to us both being in a very homophobic religion at the time(we were Mormons) whi…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 03:59 PM
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It works pretty well for me. I have never gone a long period of time without a girlfriend
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 03:56 PM
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Re: mansplaining: I don't think you really read what OP was saying about mansplaining. Responding badly to criticism has nothing to do with someone having a tendency to assume women don't know what they're doing. Mansplaining isn't when you notice someone is doing something wrong and then explaining how to do it; it's when you just make the assumption they don't know. Re: Victim Blaming: The situation someone put themselves in is irrelevant for who to blame. Unequivocally, the person committing …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 09:50 AM
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Re: mansplaining: I don't think you really read what OP was saying about mansplaining. Responding badly to criticism has nothing to do with someone having a tendency to assume women don't know what they're doing. Mansplaining isn't when you notice someone is doing something wrong and then explaining how to do it; it's when you just make the assumption they don't know. Re: Victim Blaming: The situation someone put themselves in is irrelevant for who to blame. Unequivocally, the person committing …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 09:49 AM
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Yeah, it's weird they think they're immune to ingroup biases. Just shows how men seem to think of themselves as better than anyone else when they mistakenly think that men wouldn't be subject to social psychology principles and cognitive biases that all of us are. Any group a person has identity in, they'll typically favor them and judge outgroups more disfavorably. That is usually the default unless you try hard to really self-reflect about your behaviors and preferences and try to change them …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 09:32 AM
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Well, that's the thing is I didn't always have to be the one to make the approach(so the hetero expectations weren't always true for me). There's been a few women who have (though more women [and men] nowadays than in the past, but I've had some women who did so when I was male-presenting). One who became a girlfriend is apparently a lesbian. She came out after we were together for a few months which I was confused by at the time lol but my best guess is that at the time both of us were Mormon -…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 02:00 AM
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Dating is fundamentally: Looks → Exposure → Social Skill / Escalation I think luck is also a big factor. You could forego all those traits and max out your luck skill instead at character creation. It worked for me. I'm definitely conventionally unattractive(so first one isn't hitting a bare minimum for most people), I'm a homebody(so don't get much exposure to people), and I'm autistic and socially anxious af(so social skills also don't meet most people's minimums.) Now, before someone says "oh…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 01:36 AM
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And what's the rate of singlehood for those men? Usually, also, in those cultures women are forced to be with those men. If the women there had the option to not be with them, they probably would be more likely to hide their abusive nature too
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 01:32 AM
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Yeah, I addressed status in my next comment. It's irrelevant considering no women wants an attractive man who belongs to the 40% of men who thinks it's ok to beat them. Yes, but obviously abusive men won't be advertising they are abusive. You don't know you're with an abuser until they show their true colors later in the relationship, often when it's more difficult to get away from them because your lives are so intermingled. So attractiveness is still more relevant here for when someone chooses…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 01:28 AM
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A person's attractiveness is always down to opinion. There's nothing factual about attractiveness so the closest you can get is looking at an aggregate of people and society for what they rate as attractive. Might I ask how you're measuring attractiveness to conclude that women are dating above their league?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 01:21 AM
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Well, gender pay gap reversal and the fact women own more homes than men would suggest at least gen z women are likely to be dating below their league in terms of income/status too. Men are going into a future where they'll face both a gender attractiveness gap and a gender wage gap if the gen Z trend of women out-earning men continues into next generations. Also, it's as objective as you can get. What I linked to was a meta-analysis of many studies looking at how people rate others. It's consis…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 01:19 AM
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Nah, the gender attractiveness gap suggests the average woman is above the average man's league. Most women would end up dating someone below their league since men are less attractive overall. It's the exception for a woman to date a looksmatch or someone above her league
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 01:11 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 01:09 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 01:08 AM
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I think most people mean well but at the same time, based on polling and statistics regarding different moral values I have, the vast majority don't hold the same values as I do (so from my subjective pov they would be "bad." But I likely would be "bad" from their subjective pov.) So anyways, this whole thing is subjective but ultimately I think most people mean well but ultimately most do moral wrongs, thus placing most people as morally grey. There would be very few people I'd reserve an absol…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 10:16 AM
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It being appealing isn't the same as it being true. Banning something doesn't mean it's true and it's fallacious to suggest that like OP did. For something to be true there has to be replicable empirical observation of the phenomena, as is the case for any fact we have derived from the sciences.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 04:59 AM
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That's a silly argument. I guess post-war Germany banning the Nazi party and censoring ideologies like it makes Nazism true then? Hateful ideologies tend to get censored, for good reason. TRP is misogynistic asf, so yeah, people are going to censor it. Case in point: the disaster that is the current dating market, even attractive men are experiencing unprecedented levels of difficulty in getting laid and finding romantic success. How does that prove TRP? There can be many different explanations …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 12:23 AM
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Feeling called out as a homebody woman XD everyone thinks I'm weird for having no social media presence aside from Reddit but yeah, this makes a ton of sense. The people to actively post on social media a lot about their lives are less likely introverts/homebodies, so OP is likely experiencing a selection bias
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 07:13 AM
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I don't. I'm a homebody and usually stay in with my partner. Sometimes it's nice to go out, but it's not my cup of tea to do that frequently.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 07:11 AM
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Why do you think someone whose experiences are being dismissed or downplayed would be hurt? What kind of question is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 01:55 AM
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Anyhow, I don't disagree that it would be nice to study the women child sex offenders in this way. Maybe we need people to look into Ghislaine Maxwell and others like her
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 10:58 AM
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The number of women who are child sex offenders or otherwise have pedophilia is extremely low. So yeah, it's difficult to study that
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 10:51 AM
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Sure, here are a couple pieces of literature on the matter https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33468446/ https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-540-79288-8_12
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 10:48 AM
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Sure. There is another clue though. A common treatment for pedophilia are anti-androgens (sometimes referred to as chemical castration.) If reducing a person's testosterone is effective for reducing pedophilic urges, which it does appear to be, it stands to reason the gender that has more testosterone would be more prone to it
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 10:41 AM
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They're still the best we have for a guesstimate. Both women and men are shamed for coming forward. Of those that do, however, it's mostly regarding male sex offenders
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 10:35 AM
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Do you think that's a problem unique to men? Women cite numerous reasons for lack of reporting to police, including shame...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 10:32 AM
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Might I ask what percent of child sex abuse offenders are men? It's not most "people", more like "most men."
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 10:28 AM
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Ah yes, I had a feeling someone would be like "ackchually, it's hebephilia, not pedophilia." I'm not sure that it matters to make that distinction from an ethical point of view. Hebephilia is still fucked up so I don't really get the need to separate the two
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 10:21 AM
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Yeah, no one chooses who they're attracted to. Though, I do wonder if sex hormones affect the transcription factors and expression of the sexual attraction polygenes(we are aware they effect the expression of other genes already.) A number of trans people report sexuality changes after starting HRT. Chemical castration is often used as treatment for pedophilia, which often causes those people to no longer be attracted to children
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 10:09 AM
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Correct me if the information I found is incorrect, but that seems to be the age of consent only if both partners are under 18? If so, then that's the reason why they wouldn't admit to it probably.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 09:48 AM
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There are some places where 17, 16, or younger are actually age of consent and the men in those areas will admit to attraction to them because it is legal. It really is just they won't admit it if it's illegal, but most absolutely have pedophilic tendencies, I'm sure. They just know it's stigmatized heavily and/or illegal so won't state their preference for younger: opting instead for "barely legal" girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 09:37 AM
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When it comes to the systems of government that were put in place by men, intertwined with patriarchy, women are likely to feel a need to go further than men with things in order to prove they're strong leaders - since that's what the system built by patriarchy values. I'm not foolish enough to think things would be better by just keeping the current system and merely making CEO's and those at the top of government hierarchies as women. Those systems need to be done away with entirely as they en…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 09:12 AM
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I'm just the messenger of what peer-reviewed research(that I linked above) suggests. But, sure, peer-reviewed science is dumb shit I guess lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 09:04 AM
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"open pickle jars", reminded me of this XD Thanks for the laugh!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 08:59 AM
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Why would we want to have men shirk responsibilities and put it all on women? Obviously that sounds nice to any man if all the women did all the work and you got to do whatever the hell you wanted. The point is for there to be no more men: not for women to take all the responsibilities with men as leeches. Edit: I also don't really know how you'd go about forcing a same sex attraction. This borders too close to being gay is a choice for me. I wasn't suggesting to force it or that it's a choice. …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 08:50 AM
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As if men are oppressed by women 🤦‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 08:34 AM
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It's not uncommon to come across news about men getting beaten up by women Could have fooled me. Maybe the algorithms are giving what you engage with rather than it being a more common issue? Or news companies are choosing what is news-worthy. People don't consider it as news-worthy for women to be a victim of domestic violence since it's so prevalent. News media tends to focus on what is abnormal. If I were you, I'd look at statistics rather than individual news stories Women are also stealing …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 05:21 AM
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Chromosomes and anatomy don't matter to me, personally (equipment doesn't matter and I think for most women on the left they should feel the same way. Considering quite a few cisgender women are comfortable with me and are friends and they know I'm trans, so aside from the secondary sex characteristic changes I've had from HRT, I have the same "equipment" as a cis man.) Quite a few of my friends have XY chromosomes, but they're not men; they're various types of transfeminine people just like I'm…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 08:34 AM
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Oh I absolutely call out terfs, but not radfems as a whole because I am also a radfem: one who is also transgender(so a TIRF) hence why I am very opposed to terfs
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 08:21 AM
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Isn’t it ok to choose being a trad wife? Not anymore than it was okay for people to choose to be indentured servants(that "choice" is illegal now for a reason.) Like indentured servants, a trad wife is giving unpaid labor in exchange for a living that is controlled by the other party. But the bigger issue is that the system exists at all. Being 100% reliant on someone for your own livelihood gives them a lot of power over you and it frequently comes with domestic abuse that the wife has to live …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 02:47 PM
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Some women are groomed into the role of being the primary domestic laborer and see no issue with it: they've internalized misogyny and just accept their worse off condition. Some women might think this is the best they can do, considering how prevalent the issue is among men. So they feel they have to settle if they don't want to be single. Some women are in too deep before the man shows his true colors. Maybe not until marriage do the patterns emerge and then it's messy to break up Some women a…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 02:24 PM
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It's really presumptuous of you to think women aren't talking about it with their partners. Also, why is it a partner selection thing? You didn't really offer any evidence for it being that rather than a gendered issue. Research on this matter has been done and pretty extensively too. It very much is gendered in the sense that men just don't do as much domestic labor, and Covid highlighted that more than ever before. As that study I linked to discusses, men also just don't perceive when a chore …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 02:21 PM
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Well, non-incels in the sub incelexit are trying to help incels
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 07:56 AM
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Couple of issues, brain scans show consistent differences in men vs women. Source? That goes against the preponderance of evidence from a comprehensive synthesis of a collection of brain scan studies which finds less than a 1% difference in female and male brains(aside from size of brain, but that doesn't mean more intelligent: bigger bodies need bigger brains. Brain-to-body ratio isn't different between women and men, which that ratio is what matters for intelligence) Those few differences are …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 09:56 PM
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For me, I find all the men my friends are with unattractive because I'm lesbian lol but it definitely isn't the case that *all* my bi and straight friends see *all* their friends' boyfriends as unattractive. Where are you seeing this anyway?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 02:49 AM
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So I am guessing you think women are lying when they also complain about dating apps? Maybe try to see things from other people's perspectives and that something can suck for for someone for different reasons than yours
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 01:43 AM
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every app gives the option of making a lengthy bio if you want Which ones? Almost each one I've used limits them severely or has prompts with even shorter answers. The only exception was OKCupid which allows really long bios and still sorta has the match percentage basis of older dating sites. But they've slowly been shifting over to the more shallow design too. It also doesn't just limit you to people you've got high match percentages with - so, a lot of choices are still present. Nonetheless, …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 11:37 PM
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The apps do. Dating sites and apps were never this bad many years ago when they were actually designed for the purpose of helping you find a partner. The days are gone when people had to fill out a questionnaire that would prioritize putting people first in your search with who it determined were most compatible based on those answers. Now they're just shallow and superficial, based on pictures and a 250 word bio
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 11:11 PM
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I think dating app dating is hell on earth for everyone tbh, so yeah, that includes men. My experience dating online in places not strictly advertising or meant for dating is so much better than dating apps. The apps are designed to keep you on there for a long time. Men have to send endless messages to finally and eventually meet someone. Women have to sift through a high volume of low quality messages to find someone genuinely interested and not just shotgunning(which, tbf to men, the apps enc…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 08:54 PM
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The key term to debate on here is "most attractive." Conventionally attractive? No. Different women have different tastes in what they find attractive. Will they pair up with who they subjectively find most attractive? Yes. Everyone does that, usually, unless you're desperate and decide to settle or something
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 08:37 PM
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What exactly was the strawman I made? If you're saying you weren't arguing that it's female nature(thus not something intrinsic to all women) then say so, and in that case, I misrepresented what your position was. I extrapolated that was your position since you argued with what I said(that it's not female nature but a misogynistic assumption about women). If your position is that this isn't female nature as well, then we aren't in disagreement so I don't get the point of why you brought up what …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 09:04 AM
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This is a debate sub, sir
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 09:00 AM
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Ah, so your anecdotes prove all women are like that? I know plenty who didn't do this, but I guess you will choose only to believe what you have noticed (which, btw, humans have a tendency to disregard/forget information in conflict with preconceived beliefs. I'm sure you knew quite a few women who didn't do what you said, but you've forgotten them because it's unremarkable or doesn't confirm your preconceived view)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 08:50 AM
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They make assumptions that there is a female nature with specific unsubstantiated beliefs about it, like that women are inherently hypergamous, for instance and all pine for only the top x% of men(depending on the week and feelings of red pillers, x changes.) So yeah, it's misogynistic in the sense it's making up prejudiced assumptions about women as a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 08:36 AM
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Men showing they can't go three seconds without insulting a woman's intelligence
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 08:14 AM
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Yes, but OP didn't do so. Which means either being straight is false or which bodies that woman is attracted to is false. We don't know which is false, so the post could be about a genuinely straight woman if the latter is false
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 12:45 PM
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It is a common complaint within women's spaces. My being lesbian doesn't mean I'm not educated on what issues women at large deal with in relationships. And if I shouldn't speak on the issue of what straight women are attracted to because I'm not a straight woman, why wouldn't that also apply to a man(OP) doing so when he's not a straight woman either? If someone has to be of the demographic being discussed to engage in the topic, this whole sub shouldn't exist and the men should stop making cla…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 12:34 PM
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So, I do think the number of women who are straight is less than who currently identify as such and more are basically bisexual. Each generation, it is true that the number of bi women sorta skyrockets(likely due to increased acceptance of the LGBTQIA+ community generally, so people feel safe to explore their sexuality outside the confines of a heterornormative society). So, I don't completely doubt the idea that many "straight" women are actually aroused by both women and men, suggesting that t…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 11:50 AM
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Bruh, this isn't the 1950s. Most women are working too now and handle bills on their own. If all the man is doing is working, that's simply not enough for it to be equitable. Women and men share in paid labor now - it's time the men got with the times and shared in domestic and emotional labor.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 11:07 AM
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I really have to wonder where this narrative comes from. I feel like it comes from guys who've often been rejected, or maybe they try to shoot their shot with women way above their league, so ofc they often get rejected. Most women absolutely find men attractive. 98% are either straight or bi. It feels like some coping mechanism to shift the blame to women's preferences, like "oh is it an issue with me? No, clearly women are the issue and are not attracted to men" There is a large and growing su…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 10:43 AM
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I don't think the woman exists that OP is "quoting;" the whole quote is contradictory since she's supposedly a straight woman and a woman who finds men unattractive and women attractive. Either she's the former or the latter, but not both.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 06:09 AM
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OP didn't even say anything about lesbians
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 05:46 AM
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Yep, it would definitely be an area that would be useful to integrate AI into
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 10:26 PM
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I'd make some kind of filter that doesn't allow basic-ass, no effort dm's(get rid of the low quality shotgunning men are too often all about). I'd probably also expand its role to not only be a dating app, but a little bit of social media too. It'd be a better gauge of how someone is like if you can see the priorities of what they post about and whatnot, rather than just relying on short answers to prompts, or 250 character-limited bios that everyone is trying to polish and only showcase the bes…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 10:23 PM
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Yeah - I must say it's a lot easier for me to find a partner online - specifically Reddit for whatever reason(current partner and three exes came from reddit) than doing so in person. I think most are generally offput by my neurodivergence and conventionally unattractiveness. But those I meet online get to see my thoughts and how I am first by reading all the things I write in comments and posts before seeing any pictures of me or seeing how much my nd negatively impacts my irl people skills
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 11:12 AM
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Also, dark triad people are not really easy to spot from the get-go. They usually come off charming (who wouldn't like that?) and it's not until you're in deep that they show who they really are. Their charmingness is what attracts people and why they would have more "success" dating and whatnot: it's not because people seek dark triad traits, but they like charmingness. Which, unfortunately, just so happens to be something dark triad people have(though, also other people do! So being charming i…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 03:16 AM
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So, do you deny the existence of a gender pay gap(for the same career), motherhood penalty, burdened with more unpaid domestic labor, recently having bodily autonomy rights being setback, gaslit by medical professionals, the disproportionate sexual assault rates, seen as and depicted as sexual objects for male pleasure, and are held back from leadership positions?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 01:15 PM
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And who is "they" that you're referring to?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 12:59 PM
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Exactly. Literally the definition of oppressed means poor treatment Oppressed: to be subjected to cruel or unjust treatment, control, or authority, often involving systematic harm, lack of freedom, and the abusive use of power by a dominant group over another, Like, bruh... OP is literally saying that those subjected to cruel and unjust treatment have better treatment 🤣 makes absolutely no sense
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 12:54 PM
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being oppressed or minority gives benefits, better treatment, even helps with education and employment prospects Where the hell are you getting this from? By virtue of being oppressed, that is not better treatment. It's wild to suggest facing oppression is better treatment than not facing oppression. People who are marginalized generally have worse employment outcomes as many employers choose to not hire them. While some employers have DEI initiatives, those are pretty much the exception to the …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 12:35 PM
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It wouldn't actually be brief incest. People would be pretty closely related to each other for generations and actually get more closely related each generation. In the first generation, everyone will be at least half-siblings(they all share the same father) or full siblings in the case of if that father had more than one child with a woman. Second generation, people would have to reproduce with either half-siblings, siblings, or their father. Two half-siblings mating together produces offspring…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 01:17 AM
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The population would actually go extinct in both of those conditions. There isn't enough genetic diversity in the second scenario to meet a minimum viable population. Also, it's why for most modern feminists, it's shifted to being about equity rather than equality. There are always considerations based on biology or a person's circumstance that need to be taken into account. There's no reason for doctors to test for pregnancy in anyone biologically incapable of it, for instance. Equality would b…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 01:13 AM
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I mean, I don't think most people have read those books or know much about the left-wing sub-ideologies of feminism. So it's a worthwhile discussion to be had since liberal feminism is, atm, the poster girl of feminism in most people's minds sadly
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 10:28 AM
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Oh it's not just guys. You should go into radical feminist and socialist feminist spaces. We very much disown the liberal "feminists."
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 10:01 AM
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Yeah, many of us more radical feminists, socialist feminists, anarcha-feminists, queer feminists, often don't really consider liberal feminists(those mainstream ones you talk about) to be any meaningful type of feminist tbh. All they want to do is take the structure of patriarchy and put women in charge of it: ultimately, everyone else still ends up subservient to a few elite, the type of governance men set up.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 09:47 AM
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For lesbians' repulsion towards men, some sociologists have suggested it's a response to compulsory heterosexuality(comphet) - we feel pressure to be straight and it's the assumed default. Adrienne Rich, a lesbian herself, wrote a lot about this that for lesbians, we have a strong rejection towards comphet and patriarchy, so the "repulsion" possibly comes from that. Lesbians are more likely to be more feminist and more radical in those views too. I'm radfem myself. Also, there is more fluidity t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 04:37 AM
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this is the key factor that leads to men being overrepresented at both extremes of the normal distribution.... Lol, of a group of humans obviously. My god. You misunderstood what I was asking. I'll rephrase: what is being measured? Are you saying intelligence? Artistic talent? In every variable? If the latter, that requires a huge burden of proof. Please back up your claim with research on the matter. There was no restriction WHATSOEVER on her (or other women) competing against male chess player…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 07:51 PM
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You don't seem to know what you're talking about at all. While the y chromosome triggers more frequent mutations, you conveniently leave out the fact that they are deleterious, harmful mutations contributing to a lot of medical issues for men, such as the male infertility epidemic. The Y chromosome has been degenerating, and, in fact, men in old age completely lose their Y chromosomes, due to the natural instability of the Y chromosome from it's palindromic sequencing. Eventually, our species(if…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 10:29 AM
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I don't think you realize that is totally irrelevant to what they commented that women are better suited for space travel. What do marathons have to do with that exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 09:45 AM
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You didn't really argue your title in this at all. In fact, you gave reason for masculinity to be celebrated, rather than arguing how the title is true and just expect us to take it as a given or something But, anyway. I'll debate with the more substantive parts of what you wrote in the text. they can't compete with us physically "Physically" can include a lot of things. In terms of strength, sure, that's true on average. But expand to other physical things like flexibility, age of mortality, su…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 04:19 AM
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Well, your flair checks out lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 12:29 AM
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No worries! I didn't start transitioning until I was 27(I'm now 30), and my first girlfriend I had at 16 - so 11 years
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 12:20 AM
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Indeed - I'm a trans woman, so I do know what it's like dating as a guy since that's how I presented a good chunk of my adult life
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 12:16 AM
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I mean I didn't have problems finding girlfriends and my ex-wife, and I was pretty ordinary. Some might actually say less so since I don't think I was particularly conventionally attractive, I certainly didn't have money, am not 6 foot or taller, am socially anxious af, or anything really that red and black pillers say women prefer. I have always treated women as people though - and well, realized I was one myself lol but I think a lot of women can tell I empathize with a lot of the same struggl…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 12:13 AM
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And why shouldn't women be picky given the rates of sexual harassments and assault we go through? Or how too often are left with domestic labor that the boyfriend/husband is unwilling to do even when both work. Or having to do the bulk of the emotional labor too. As you pointed out, you're everything the red and black pills claim a woman would throw herself at, basically the chad. You're over 6 feet and handsome apparently, doing well financially, etc. That suggests that women, at least the ones…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 05:08 AM
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I'm just glad I don't have to deal with these hetero dating scripts
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 06:48 PM
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I don't think this is a serious problem enough to make a post about, or if it even exists. I and other aces are painfully aware of how much sexualization there is in society by allosexuals and that they thrive with that kinda thing and lusting after people. We know that's the default, including of most women. What ace women are saying all women are like them? Looking over the women who've commented, it seems like they've never encountered this issue either. But, you are a man who seems to think …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 04:12 AM
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I don't think you know how to debate. There's nothing of substance here to debate with really since you didn't even provide any rationale for the claim in the title. You spent most of it explaining what survivorship bias is and then ended with a hypothetical
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 02:53 PM
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Hmm, unfortunately the OP was removed before I got to this, so I don't know the context behind why he said that
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 06:11 PM
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Oh yeah, definitely. Compulsory heterosexuality is a factor too: everyone "should" be straight according to that societal expectation
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 05:28 PM
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I think there's more to it besides biology tbh. Psychology and socialization likely play roles. Male socialization often includes pressures to be sexual; it's part of what society considers masculine to desire sex a lot and have sex. Then a lot of transgender women(self-included) usually report that they hated having that type of socialization put on them because it just wasn't how they work. Which suggests a third role besides biology or socialization: psychology. If a person's psychology more …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 05:06 PM
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-Cited a study about how women in politics are more likely to be in favor of status quo when accountability is high and women on average being more risk-averse in financial decisions -Thinks that's saying everyday women don't admit fault when wrong -Cites a single story of a woman saying she didn't want to admit boyfriend was right -"WTF why are all women like this!?"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 06:25 AM
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There are a lot of things people find attractive or unattractive that they wouldn't otherwise unless they knew about it. If men, for example, never wore a particular hairstyle, someone can't know whether or not they find it attractive, but they still would once they do learn about that hairstyle and see it on men. Someone can't be attracted to the social constructs of masculinity and feminity unless they knew about those concepts and see them in society. I don't see why finding beneficiaries of …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 04:21 AM
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There's a bit of contradiction in your argument: you say there are things I'd like about women over men on an innate level in their behaviors(and physically, but I'll focus on behavior for this), but then you recognize in the next sentence that people try to conform to the desired gender roles their potential partners have for them. If they're trying to conform, that makes the behavior not innate. Aside from physical aspects and traits associated with an estrogenic sex hormone profile, I primari…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 04:05 AM
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If Your a woman with an attraction to men Ah, I'll stop you right there and give you time to look at the heart in my pfp - and also to re-read my original comment where I mentioned having a girlfriend lol Retreating immediately to your gender just means you're afraid to have your ideas challenged. I think you know full well there's a difference between debating ideals and claiming someone is lying about having the ideals they claimed to have. Most reasonable people do not do the latter unless th…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 03:25 AM
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Okay, what response could I have possibly given for you to not think I'm lying? I don't think going "nuh-uh, I really do believe this." and giving another view of mine in line with that would have done anything to change your mind. And what else would it be but misogyny if your first response is to accuse women of lying when talking about their own views/opinions on things? If I went around calling men liars when expressing their own views and values, I'm pretty sure you'd think I'm a misandrist…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 03:12 AM
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A lot of men have only one thing on their minds. They don't grasp the idea of doing things to help keep your partner safe just because you love them. It always has to come back around to sex appeal
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 02:41 AM
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It's wild to me how quick some men are to just claim a woman they know nothing about is lying. Almost like you just hate women so assume all must be liars when one says something going against your prejudiced assumptions about how all women must work
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 02:38 AM
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But should he have directly confronted the robbers himself? If you note, I just said "help" in my original comment. The best option wouldn't be to directly get involved(until trying to get help), but, imo, it is better than just running and leaving her behind. Once they obtain it, why would they continue the assault? That makes no sense. Muggers aren't really known to be rational. Anything could get them angrier, like struggling to give the items or whatever
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 02:00 AM
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He didn't need to know for sure if someone would intervene. Instead of running and that's all he did, he could have went to bystanders for help. Helping your partner doesn't necessarily mean you have to just go right to fighting, but you could certainly be smart about it in some way. I was saying she was justified(since you said it was dumb) to resist and defend herself because of there not being a guarantee the muggers would desist after being given what they demand. For that same reason, he sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 01:56 AM
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Outnumbering someone increases your odds. Whereas running away just shows you're a selfish asshole who's willing to let whatever awful outcome happen to the one you claim to love. There's no guarantee that mugger wouldn't hurt your partner anyways even if they got what they want. They've already shown they're a violent person by threatening violence to get what they want, so you have every rationale to defend yourself in that situation. Why do you think the mugger would stop after getting cash o…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 01:36 AM
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He absolutely should be shamed. Just not for the reasons you argued against or the manner in which you stated. I expect any partner to protect their partner in instances like this - gender doesn't matter. If they don't, they're pretty shitty. People should protect the ones they love. If I was being mugged, I'd fully expect my girlfriend to help me just as I'd help them. Oh, and absolutely fuck the hell out of your last paragraph. Wtf is wrong with you to imply people can just replace their partn…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 01:30 AM
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So, you're saying people prefer others who aren't people pleasers basically and is willing to put forward their own wants/needs/standards? I'd still say that's not entirely true. Narcissists would want people pleasers, people who are desperate to take anything, etc. I'd say that's why my brother usually ends up with narcissists for example. He's pretty much what you described.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 02:48 AM
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people never want what they can get and only want what they can’t get. That would be true for some people. In terms of going for a Chad or a Stacy though, you'd think everyone would prefer that right? Because for many they can't get that? Well, I do not want a Stacy as a gf tbh. She'd make me incredibly self-conscious about myself because I'd be nowhere near where she's at. So, I naturally want my looksmatch because of that. And I know quite a few people who work similarly to this. They don't ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 02:41 AM
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I agree with the title but the rest of your post is too much of an overgeneralization. Human psychology differs greatly between people so some things will be attractive to certain women while they won't be for other women. Also, this kind of thing even differs amongst cats. In my apartment, my roommate has a cat who definitely acts more like what you described a dog would. He even excessively licks me like a dog would, he pretty much is always down to be petted, etc which is wild. And he's not t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 02:28 AM
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Yeah, I certainly don't miss it! (Trans woman here so I was living like a straight cis guy much of my life) But even back then, weirdly it was only queer women who were interested in me enough to enter a relationship with me. I don't think I've ever dated a straight woman before. The freakiest one I had pre-transition was an ex of mine who came out as a lesbian to me mid-way into our relationship, and I was like huh??? What are you doing with me then? XD It's like she pre-ordered me I guess beca…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 03:21 AM
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That makes sense. Queer women are definitely more likely to approach than straight women I think since we are more used to living outside the heterosexual scripts for dating
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 03:08 AM
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I've also approached other women myself quite a few times ofc. But yeah, that's what I'd think is more common too since being straight is more common, but it's hard to say because of that straight expectation that men are supposed to approach. I also feel out of place being approached by women more than almost all the men I know 😅
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 03:00 AM
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It's some people's "preferences" to not bake cakes for gay people
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 09:58 AM
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I mean, I think the one about a specific sexuality needs clarification. As a woman, I'd never date a gay man or a straight woman. So, no androsexuals, and that's kind of normal and not bigoted. So that should have an exception of if you're not the gender that those people are attracted to. Also, as an asexual(though a lesbian romantically) I'm rather wary about dating allosexuals in general. They too often want sex when I don't, so it's likely to create a dynamic where I'm pressured for unwanted…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 09:47 AM
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Eh, I doubt most red pillers know progressive women well enough to determine if they're hypocritical. You're assuming they're intimately familiar with their lives to figure out those individual women have contradictory views about wanting a feminist future but are prejudiced against bi men and trans people. I'm not convinced most red pillers are actually that close enough to women to know lol especially because I don't think red pillers and feminists would even befriend each other(I know I would…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 01:00 AM
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I mean, considering you seem to ignore all evidence that points otherwise to what you believe while not providing any evidence of your own. And calling it absurd that women can like gaming. You're either really disconnected from reality or you're trolling
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 08:18 PM
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That sucks - yeah, I think during the time of the PS1, video games were far more male-centric
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 08:17 PM
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Women make up more than half of PC gamers, specifically, including making up a majority of RPG gamers. I'm a PC gamer, my girlfriend is, and my previous two exes were too
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 07:47 PM
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Women make up more than half of PC gamers, specifically. I'm a PC gamer, my girlfriend is, and my previous 5 exes were too
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 07:46 PM
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I mean, many do. Women make up like half of all gamers now lol I'm one 🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 07:39 PM
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That doesn't contradict anything I said. Most are disinterested in casual sex. There are other types than casual
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 11:14 PM
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Maybe you are mistaken with the assumptions you have about regarding what women are attracted to? At least among the women I know, most are repulsed by frat boy types. They tend to be misogynistic as fuck and are the ones most likely to SA you at college. I think a lot of women are aware of that. Many prefer being with a guy they'd feel safe with. Edit: also, it's generally often understood that a lot of "dating" apps are really hookup apps. It's probably why men hugely outnumber women on there.…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 08:54 PM
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Why do you believe women are just as interested in casual sex as men are when statistics show otherwise? Edit: to address the reason you kinda gave in your OP for believing that: you having success with getting casual sex doesn't prove most women are interested in it. It just means among the minority of women who are interested in it, you're doing well with attracting them
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 08:36 PM
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It’s because women aren’t as interested in ONS as men. Yep, exactly. There are fewer women than men who are interested in casual sex. So that means it's easier for them to get casual sex since there's a larger "supply" they're working with than what men are working with.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 08:33 PM
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That's a different situation than the OP? OP was policing what's okay for guys to do by saying the guy is stupid if he doesn't end the friendship. If the guy, instead, requests space that's totally different than flat out ending the friendship - and yeah that should be respected by the friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 04:20 AM
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You seem unhealthily obsessed with this and are unjustifiably generalizing. Most women are not into masochism
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 11:03 AM
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I'm curious why you just decided to chop out one portion of my comment to reply to and then reply with something that isn't even relevant? Why would the reading choices of women or their fantasies mean anything for the need to be cautious to weed out potential abusers? Also, your unjustified condescension is showing. Imagine being the guy who cites absolutely nothing to support what they claim but then telling someone who cites peer-reviewed articles to use google 😂 hon, I think you're the one w…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 05:14 AM
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You claim this isn't intended to diminish the struggles of autistic women, but you quite literally are doing so by saying autistic men have it worse. You're also downplaying certain things. You claimed autistic men are more likely to commit suicide, when there is not statistical significance between the suicide rates of autistic women and men, but both, ofc, have far greater rates than the general population. You claim autistic women would have more safety nets, including social programs, but th…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 04:53 AM
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I think you're interpreting an attack or critique of men where I wasn't giving one. I was not saying that because it didn't bother some of the men in my life, that it means it would (or should) bother no man. I was saying that as a way to point out that men are diverse. Some men will handle rejection like it's nothing(I've known some who did), some will be uncomfortable with keeping the friendship(I've also known some that this was the case), some will be devastated and it would seriously harm t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 03:37 AM
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I quite literally have been emphasizing that there can be different responses the whole time - not making claims about the whole gender. OP is the one who is advocating for one-size-fits-all response. He called it a "stupid thing" for a man to remain friends, essentially shaming men who do so. I'm suggesting it's not necessarily the answer and that it's okay for men to remain friends with a woman who rejected him. For some men, checking out of the friendship is a good idea, such as those with RS…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 03:19 AM
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I don't think my experiences represent others. Just speaking from the men I've known - which is probably what everyone here is doing. OP is probably just speaking from his own experiences and other men he knows. I'm doing the same. My experiences have told me quite a few men in my life are able to recover from a rejection fairly well - exceptions being those who probably have rejection sensitive dysphoria.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 03:14 AM
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The loss of a friendship you valued is always painful
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 03:10 AM
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I've been on both sides
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 02:38 AM
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I feel like more men are able to recover more quickly from rejection than you might think. It's not as though most men have rejection sensitive dysphoria or something. For those who do, though, it's probably for the best to end the friendship. But I feel like a lot of guys are able to handle rejection
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 11:15 PM
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I'm bored. Also, I felt like butting into a place that's not exactly about me. Men often do that to women's subs where their experiences aren't relevant at all to the woman-centered topics. So, figured I'd do it back to a guy in a straight sub. Also, my experiences from like 5+ years ago are relevant to heterosexual dynamics though, since I'm a trans woman and back then I'd have been living life as a guy. So in other posts that's pretty relevant and I have the unique experience of experiencing i…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 10:23 AM
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I'm a lesbian so the typical heterosexual scripts are out the window. I've approached some women and some women have approached me. I'm super timid nowadays though, so all my approaches for the past like 5 years or so have been online. These would have been "cold" approaches but done in the context of spaces meant for dating, so that's one of the few places cold approaches are pretty much always acceptable. But my partner and previous three exes approached me first. I feel like the times I've ap…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 09:57 AM
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And the porn actors lecturing at Harvard
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 04:06 AM
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It is when the man doesn't clean according to the standard they agreed upon as a couple
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 06:19 PM
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Okay, and does that logic not also apply to the man's chosen job as much as the woman's chosen job? Chores are expected of people. You're supposed to clean up after yourself and that doesn't stop just because you live with a partner now: unless otherwise agreed upon between you two(usually it's the case that your partner takes on all the chores if they're stay-at-home, or if you're both slobs, then no one cleans I guess). Though, ideally, there'd be a universal basic income, one because people d…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 06:13 PM
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The couple
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 06:07 PM
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What exactly are you calling bullshit? That those jobs are emotional labor demanding or that emotional labor is exhausting?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 05:53 PM
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Hmm 🤔 I don't think I ever said such a thing. But carry on fighting that strawman while hurling ad hominem arguments
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 05:50 PM
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Physical labor isn't the only type of labor that burns people out or exhausts them. Emotional labor does too. The jobs predominantly dominated by women tend to be emotional labor-demanding: nursing, therapists, teachers, childcare workers, social workers, etc. If you ever were to try those jobs, I'm sure you'd get exhausted too. Some of those jobs, like teaching, are also intellectual labor-demanding. Which, still, is exhausting.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 10:17 AM
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Ahh, yes, disingenuity. Pretend to be confused about what I'm referring to 🙄 The one who can't relax in their own homes is the woman who is expected to work full-time while doing all the domestic labor.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 09:40 AM
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There are some women who have a stay-at-home partner. I don't think it will be more commonplace though unless men prove they're actually going to clean. Which, with how many already don't clean up after themselves in households where both work, there's not really any reason to believe they'd start cleaning up after themselves and their girlfriend/wife if she's the only one working.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 06:52 AM
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I think you win gold in mental gymnastics. Imagine blaming slobs' behavior on anything or anyone else but those slobs. Seems like you just want to justify being a slob and making working women clean up after the slob. The men clearly aren't lonely enough
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 06:36 AM
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Some women have internalized misogyny and think misogynistic behaviors are what they deserve or they otherwise see it differently. They might be blind to it. For Chris Brown, he's famous, and, often with fame, comes belief that they're a good person(Halo Effect cognitive bias) and would never do anything bad(even with convictions. I mean, just look at how many maga women like Donald Trump despite so many convictions. For famous people with cult followings, they can literally do anything and ther…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 02:48 AM
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It's interesting you didn't even address the rest and then just claim that women are choosing more in favor of dark triad traits without any evidence
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 09:58 PM
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Not really. It wasn't until recent history that women had much of a choice of who to be with. And assuming women were ending up with dark triad men disproportionately, then those traits should be passed onto both the sons and daughters: so it should even itself out over time. Unless you're suggesting the Y chromosome specifically has some connection to dark triad. But in reality, there's more to it than just genetics. How someone is socialized and raised are factors into personality as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 09:21 PM
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I can see why he has "bad faith arguer" in his flair. It's silly to compare the standards a debate sub should have to a sub just about women sharing stuff relevant to their own lives or women as a whole
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 07:04 AM
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That certainly is a huge text wall of unsubstantiated claims. Rather than vague generalities and anecdotes like you provided, let's look at empirical data. But first, let's define what "bad" means. In this case, I'll use the dark triad traits as what bad behavior would be - so psychopathy, machiavellianism, and narcissism, as each are defined typically in academic psychology - if that is acceptable to you. This meta-analysis, on page 189, right hand column, found men score significantly higher o…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 06:45 AM
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From my reddit wrapped, do I seem like the typical PPD woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 05:30 AM
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You were responding to a strawman. If you re-read my comment, I never said there's never any backsliding. I called it a world-wide trend. That doesn't mean no countries go backwards, but that overall societies are moving forward. Just as there are outliers in statistical correlations that don't have r=±1, so too are there societies that can go against the trend.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 12:47 AM
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It's such a breath of fresh air in sapphic spaces at least though. While men tend to say older women are ugly, past their prime, and other shit, sapphics be out there specifically desiring older women often times lol it's interesting seeing so many 20 something year old women really looking up to and/or wanting to date older women
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 11:51 PM
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Seriously, seeing misogynistic ageism so common and normalized is exhausting
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 11:21 PM
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Where do you get that idea from? Modern historical trends have been showing patriarchal societies are deteriorating and slowly replaced with more egalitarian ones. Go back 200 years and everything was uber patriarchal compared to now where feminism exists and has been making successes in a lot of countries. We currently are seeing several uber patriarchal societies be taken down in real time, like Saudi Arabia which is exciting because 15 years ago they'd have been one of the last countries I'd …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 07:54 PM
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Whenever homophobes say stuff like our "lifestyle" will corrupt them, it sounds like they're closeted to me. Like, wdym it would corrupt you?? How is dating a woman as a woman tempting to you unless you deep down are attracted to women too but are just trying to suppress it lol like unless that's true, there's no way sapphics could influence you that way 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 01:10 PM
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I'm going to take a guess here that those women take issue when a man only shows interest purely for sexual reasons and you're misinterpreting it as a blanket demonization of male sexuality. Unless you're saying male sexuality is inherently about sexualizing women like that?? Which, I mean, yeah I am inclined to agree with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 01:03 PM
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Which is wild they react that way, like I'm in no way attracted to any woman who still centers men. The vast majority of straight (and many bi) women do, so like, get off your high horse Janet and check your ego. Why do you think sapphics would be into you?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 12:56 PM
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Yeah, OP needs to provide the link to the post
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 12:44 PM
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There isn’t anything misogynistic about men teaching other men about dating. I said the myth that women lie about what they want is misogynistic. And why are you going on about some woman named Pearl? Having to get rejected 17 times in order to possibly get one date with a woman— and I’m being generous. I think it's just pretty typical to have more rejections than relationships tbh. I certainly have more rejections from other women than I have exes. The difference between you and I is I don't le…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 10:32 AM
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Half of that doesn't even relate to what you said about the 23 yo woman being interested in you lol wtf. Also, it doesn't surprise me you'd trust a man on what woman's nature is lmao. Seems like so many here believe in that misogynistic myth that women lie about what we're interested in and men must be the experts on what women want 🙄 I'd recommend instead to take an academic class on the psychology of women - I did that as an elective within my major(psychology.) And I probably could date a wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 10:03 AM
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I was answering hypothetically if I was straight tbh(edited my comment to reflect that more clearly). I'd date a 40 yo woman (or nonbinary person) though. I'm in a talking stage with a 44 year old even currently(Open relationship with my girlfriend, so we can date others.) I wouldn't trust a man that much older for looking to date so much younger. If I was straight, I'd date within 5 years of my age probably.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 09:44 AM
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Most people date ± a few years of their own age. So, the percent is probably low for anyone but the 35 yo. I can say if I was straight I wouldn't date an athletic 40 yo - I'm 30 myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 09:42 AM
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but using an anecdote against well established statistical fact is just pure stupidity. Your example isn't a well-established statistical fact. It is a statistical fact that only 5% of men worldwide are 6 feet or taller. It's also a statistical fact that well over 50% of men are partnered. Given that disparity, it means a ton of men shorter than 6 feet were chosen. They live in a world where dating apps wasn't a major thing and women weren't as much hypergamous like before. Hypergamy would have …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 07:14 AM
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Probably for those who don't have that anxiety, that's true. I, personally, tend to fall for timid and socially anxious people, because, well, I'm also that lol and it's pretty often for people with similar personalities to like each other! My partner and I both are really not socially gifted. But I like that about her because I wasn't intimidated as much as I would be with extroverts. Plus extroverts wear me out a ton... I'm already pretty exhausted on the daily and I've no idea how I wouldn't …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 11:34 AM
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I think some people can excuse some red flag behaviors when they're attracted to another or in love with them. They're more susceptible to the pollyanna principle when attracted/in love. Men are suceptible to that too when attracted to someone. But not all people end up doing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 10:21 AM
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It shouldn't really be a revelation that sociable and extroverted people have an easier time dating than those who are "socially awkward and timid." People with NPD, AsPD or otherwise dark triad traits, tend to be sociable, extroverted, and charming. So they have a relatively easy time wooing others, especially moreso than a socially awkward and timid person. It isn't until you're pretty deep into a relationship that a person with dark triad traits reveals who they really are. In the early stage…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 10:03 AM
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That sounds exaggerated tbh. What's your source that an unfit man is stronger than the majority of women? Let's take some man that's in the bottom 20% of strength testing, for example. You're suggesting that's still stronger than majority of women? I am pretty sure there's more overlap between the bell curves than that. You're supposed to pick men who aren't going to rape you That's not something someone can know will happen beforehand. Rapists don't advertise who they are and afaik, there is no…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 06:12 AM
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I'm not sure where you're getting that view of feminists from. Usually, we are all aware that the one's most likely to rape you are someone you know, especially including your significant other. So, it doesn't make any sense to really seek for some muscular guy as a partner because, statistically, he's going to be the one more likely to be your rapist, not some random strange man that your partner would protect you from. So, if I was straight, I'd actually look for dating men I could overpower m…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 05:49 AM
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Online spaces are actually highly susceptible to survivorship biases. For example, Reddit has sitewide rules against hate towards marginalized identities and then also rules against harassment. So, the more overtly negative and hateful comments will typically get removed. Though, there are still subtle ways such sentiments get communicated to women that stay up which may go under the radar for men. You also don't get to see what a woman experiences in her DMs. I recommend moderating a somewhat l…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 03:04 AM
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I understood what your point was. I'm not sure you understood mine. Where are you getting that this is the typical woman's online experience? It seems like you're just making assumptions rather than going to the source and asking women what their experiences have been like. Would that not be the way to find out?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 02:54 AM
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I get the very strong impression you haven't asked very many women what their experiences have been like online. There's a reason many of us gravitate towards online spaces made to be safe for women. Most subreddits are male-dominated, and if you're a woman your opinions and experiences are frequently disregarded; you deal with the emotional whiplash of being called ugly if you don't give a man attention while also dealing with creeps that sexualize you. But idk, you'll probably do what most do …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 02:42 AM
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It's a broader term for any woman attracted to women, whether or not exclusively - so it includes lesbians and bi women for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 09:13 PM
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I can't say I've met a political lesbian before, no. And, I mean, it is possible for lesbians to have patriarchal dynamics so like, on face value I'd agree it would make sense that lesbians should work on getting rid of those within their romantic and sexual relationships, just as, like, everyone should. But political lesbians shouldn't be the primary voices on calling that out - it's not really their place to. It should come internally to correct that problem. And I am open to things possibly b…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 09:12 PM
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Honestly, I don't have issues with political lesbians if they're not homophobic to actual sapphic women. I'm even fine with them being in queer spaces because they're arguably seeking at least a queerplatonic relationship with women, so arguably might be a little queer from that perspective. I'd just expect them to be forthcoming about who they are and not lead sapphic women on making us think they're innately lesbian or something. But I might be a minority amongst innate lesbians who would be c…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 08:35 PM
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It's easy to do since every transphobe seems to get called a TERF nowadays, whether or not they're actually feminist and more often they're conservative and anti-feminist. So, the number of TERFs seems higher than it actually is. But yeah, actual radical feminists that are trans-exclusionary are such a small minority
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 08:08 PM
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I'm one of those "extremists" you speak of, as a matriarchist.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 01:39 AM
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Hmm, I get the feeling you probably don't listen to the women who call it misogyny or about control. In most cases, those men would have lots of casual sex if they could(or they have done so) but they require their partner to not have it. Or some will say a woman with a high body count is "used up", or otherwise shame them for their choices. If the preference is coming from legitimate reasons, there's no issue. For instance, if, as a man, you view sex as a deeply intimate thing that should only …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 08:44 AM
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I don't see why that changes what I said. Yes, assuming monogamy is the typical standard, then on average men will be on dating apps longer simply because of the numbers again. In order for that not to happen, every woman on dating apps would have to take on having three partners. For every one man chosen, that leaves two who were not because men outnumber women like 3:1 on the apps. It would be expected that, on average, men would wait 3 times as long as women do to find a partner on dating app…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 10:12 PM
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I'm just a lesbian, so yeah, obviously I don't want to be approached by men. That doesn't mean I hate men - just not attracted to them or interested in them. And nah, I wouldn't want to be approached by a femboy: that's still a man. As for trans women, it depends on how much female socialization they've gotten and if they've been actively undoing past male socialization. If they're early in transition, then I wouldn't be interested because they wouldn't have been living life as a woman for long …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 09:59 PM
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Thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 12:30 PM
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Yes, I do. People generally see me as a woman. Strangers gender me as such pretty much 100% of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 12:27 PM
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Technically, but only in the sense that my gender is different from the sex I was assigned at birth. So I meet the definitional aspect, but I wouldn't say belong with the cultural aspect. There are a lot of things I personally take issue with within the transgender community itself so I don't really identify with the community as a whole. The dominant ideology within it I disagree with(i.e the dominant trans ideology generally hates radical feminists, of which I consider myself one.) and general…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 11:29 AM
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"Opposite sex" doesn't exactly make sense in my case for attracting straight guys. My sex would be... altersex I guess? I have a mixture of male and female sex characteristics due to acquiring female sex characteristics through medical choices. It would make more sense to base it off of my performative gender and gender identity: woman. Those men don't know my sex - only my performed gender
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 11:00 AM
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It's almost as if [straight and bi] men are attracted to the opposite sex other gender in their natural form. Fify
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 10:35 AM
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Yep! I see these types of videos the most too. I, nor my girlfriend, want to be approached by men but we both still somehow keep getting approached, despite putting literally minimal effort into our appearances compared to most other women...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 09:18 AM
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Yeah, they really need to figure out the appropriate times and places to cold approach. I've had it happen too many times in psych hospitals - though it surprisingly wasn't only men. I guess I can at least sorta understand because manic people tend to deal with hypersexuality but still... I'd never approach someone in a psych ward and I've got bipolar so idk what's with them
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 09:02 AM
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What is with this belief women go for chads on dating apps? Most women don't even use dating apps to find a partner lmao hence why like, there are so few women compared to men on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 08:54 AM
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I wish unattractive men weren't approaching in my life - or the attractive ones for that matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 08:50 AM
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What in the goomba fallacy is this? So you're implying women are hypocrites here but the only women who would be are rapist women who expect men to not be rapists. The vast majority of women aren't rapists, so there's no hypocrisy for them to expect men to not be rapists. Also, like, any decent person would expect people to not be rapists? I expect people, regardless of gender, to not rape. Plenty of men would too I imagine.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 06:47 AM
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in which every single woman says no. Why would we need to go by a standard the threads you linked to don't even live up to? https://np.reddit.com/r/AskMen/s/2Q5fCymaYz https://np.reddit.com/r/AskMen/s/UBzXWlF9a9 https://np.reddit.com/r/AskMen/s/Cmsk1uRbBb In general, it would be a lot better if everyone valued consent more though.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 06:19 AM
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Honestly, I have no idea. If I knew, I would stop having whatever qualities that lead to them approaching me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 03:40 AM
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Eh, it just has different struggles - not really a privilege. For example, bi people are victims of intimate partner violence much more often than straight, gay, or lesbian people. You also are much more likely to be assumed to be a cheater or your partner will always have suspicions you wanna leave them for the other gender etc. People do also discriminate against bi people - i.e they'd never even consider them as part of their dating pool. But you're right that gays and lesbians have a much sm…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 11:39 PM
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If you want to say something, just say it
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 08:12 AM
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I'm not a liberal. Just a person who empathizes with people that society hates and discriminates against. If I were to describe my political views, it would primarily be about what ideologies I oppose. I'm anti-liberal, anti-conservative, anti-fascist, anti-capitalist, anti-patriarchal, anti-marxist, anti-statist.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 05:50 AM
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I don't tolerate any hateful rhetoric towards marginalized groups. Blackpillers are typically misogynistic(minimally), and often also racist and other forms of bigoted - so it doesn't matter to me that we share half our genes, you're not family if you allow yourself to be hateful like that. I can always have a chosen family instead
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 05:43 AM
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What does everyone think of the gender attractiveness gap? The GAG is an observed phenomenon where, regardless of gender and country, women's faces are consistently ranked more attractive than men's faces. You can read about it here: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2025.05.21.655261v1.full.pdf Do you think this would mean the average woman is above the average man's league? Is it more to do with societal expectations, perceptions, or stereotypes on women and men? I'm interested in hearin…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 04:59 AM
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I've disowned one of my brothers(lifelong pattern of abuse from him). The other and I are cordial to each other, even though he's getting kinda blackpilled 😮‍💨 I still have hope I can save him I guess lol
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 04:58 AM
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Versus the several millenia of recorded human history that universally rejected it as obscene. Obscenity actually catered to what men craved. They like what is considered naughty and taboo - it makes it more enticing. A proper anti-porn argument can be seen in Catharine Mackinnon's "Not a moral issue", where she simultaneously criticizes the liberalization of pornography as free speech and the obscenity laws that existed in societies long before that. I highly recommend reading it, which you can…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 03:16 AM
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I don't think society pushed hypersexuality onto men. Testosterone did that. All society did was respond to the limitless libido that so many men have. There was a demand for erotic content because of their libido. There was a demand for sex work because of their limitless libido. It could be said that, perhaps, more sex-obsessed men got created once this stuff became mainstream and boys get exposed to it early, but this stuff came about to begin with because of the overall pattern of men cravin…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 03:00 AM
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Based deterministic take
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 02:47 AM
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Idk man, like, I was definitely genetically disadvantaged but didn't have issues finding girls/women to date growing up. Which, I'm a trans woman so I was living "as a guy" at the time since I didn't transition until 27. But anyways, I didn't have chad-like features or especially masculine features(probably why I pass as a cis woman today), and despite that the longest I've ever gone single was like 4 months(out of choice because I needed time healing from a previous relationship, and this was a…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 01:18 AM
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Nah, I appreciate the joke at least lol. Feminism and gender were arguably a special interest for me for some time XD (Trans woman here)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 12:57 AM
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What exactly do you mean by "treated men better"?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 12:50 AM
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Getting ready to type a rebuttal, but then realizing trans women and autism tends to hand in hand and that you're not wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 12:47 AM
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Terminally online freak here 👋 I've definitely have said some very misandristic stuff(including in this sub) that got me a warning and then a three day ban from the reddit admins for breaking Reddit's rule 1. I don't even say such things irl but something about being online just makes me so pissed at men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 12:40 AM
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Stats about what?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 09:57 AM
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He's an incel and obviously misogynistic to reduce women to just reproductive capabilities, so...pretty much nothing
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 09:43 AM
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I notice you self-id as an incel and claim incels aren't inherently misogynistic, kinda implying you aren't but clearly your OP here wreaks of misogyny since you're literally reducing women's worth down to just reproduction. You know, people seek relationships because they want companionship - someone to spend intimate time with, to be understood on an intimate level and love and be loved. Women can and do provide that in a relationship. My girlfriend does, I like to think I do the same for her,…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 09:30 AM
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-Child-free -Wants a sex-free relationship (preferably she'd also be asexual like I am) -Have a secure attachment or anxious attachment style (I am okay with the latter because I know how to work with that. The other attachment styles I would have difficulty with) -Kind -Communicative -Prioritizes spending quality time together (my biggest love language) -Left-wing -Feminist -Irreligious And I'm fortunate to have all that in my current partner!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 11:36 PM
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What do you think about your probabilities for being so low yet you find a girlfriend. Idk, that's why I said I'm lucky lol like despite the odds stacked against me I found someone I love. What instances do you think made you click with her We just spend tons of quality time together. It's both of ours biggest love language. If she doesn't satisfy your standards would you stay or leave? Um, I'd probably stay for a while to see if anything changes. I tend to be very patient. At some point I would…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 08:33 PM
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My probability is really low. I'm an ace lesbian who would only date other ace woman-loving-women. Asexuals are like 1% of the population, and then wlw aces would probably put that number to like 0.25%-0.33%.* So my dating pool is tiny. And that's before accounting for personality traits I'm looking for in a partner. I'm lucky to have found a girlfriend that meets what I was looking for though *It's only that high because most aces are women, and we have higher instances of being homoromantic or…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 08:17 PM
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Men would use common sense about when it's an appropriate place and time to cold approach/flirt. I still can't believe I've had it happen in psychiatric hospitals. Pretty crazy (pun intended) Both women and men would be gayer too. And especially more ace lesbians. There aren't enough of us. I'd make men a lot less horny too, never send unsolicited dick pics, or non-consensually make conversations sexual. I'd have women be more likely to approach and initiate things. Get rid of all risk for sexua…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 08:18 AM
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I don't see why someone couldn't validate the feelings and also resolve the problem. Like, in your example, the other could be like "I can see why you feel ignored and disrespected. I'm sorry I did that. I'll take the trash out now and work on doing it in the future before being asked" That validates and takes care of the problem. People can walk and chew gum at the same time
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 03:01 AM
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Ah, yeah, my bad, not sure why I thought it was in a year. But nonetheless, I don't see how you conclude it means men who do it, do it more often. If only a few men were having sex, that percentage should be much lower than the percent of women who do. Your edit: oh, it was because I added a reddit link without a np at the beginning. Forgot that rule. Not sure if it'll come back if I edit the link? Edit 2: I made it a non-participation link. Is it still deleted? It shows up when I look, but it d…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 09:39 AM
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in this case the belief would be that they probably don't see these guys as someone they would have had casual sex with The issue with that belief is it assumes women even do much casual sex. They don't. It's only ~1 in 5 young women who've engaged in casual sex in any given year, and slightly more men than that who have, about 1 in 4. Which would mean the women who end up having casual sex do so with a broader range of men compared to the percentage they make up. They don't go for chads, where …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 09:01 AM
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I mean, I just don't get the preoccupation with placing blame on women for wanting who is most attractive to them, "chad" or whatever. Like, don't men do the same thing with Stacy's and they also "settle" for women who aren't a Stacy? I feel like it's typical for everyone to prefer someone they would personally rate a 10/10, but yeah, most people will not realistically be able to do that since there are only so many of said people, so everyone "settles" except the few who end up with a Chad or a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 08:39 AM
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It's a thing that happens for quite a few trans women(you'll see it's a pretty common discussion in trans subreddits even.) Of course, skeletal height won't change, but the skeleton isn't the only thing that contributes to height. Soft tissues like muscle mass in the torso shrink due to being on estrogen(well, and muscle mass everywhere, but it's mostly the torso muscles that contribute to height). Ligaments in the feet with estrogen receptors become softer/more flexible, also contributing a lit…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 07:53 AM
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Hmm, yeah, that does seem true based on what I just looked up. I guess that could be a factor in why I never had problems finding a girlfriend idk I lived a good chunk of my adult life as a guy. Used to be right at 6 foot but shrunk down to 5'8 after testosterone suppression and estrogen replacement therapy. But yeah, like half of my total 12 past partners were before transition. Though, I also don't seem to have a problem finding a girlfriend now either after living as a woman lol which has bee…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 06:17 AM
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Yeah. I mean, I know women who deal with being approached, flirted with, hit on, from men etc like on the daily. For me, it happens maybe a few times a year(and once in a blue moon from women). Which, I'm fine with the infrequency from men since I'm lesbian and prefer men didn't approach me. But while it doesn't happen as much for me as other women who get approached by men, it does happen in the worst places: like two different dudes thought an involuntary stay at a psychiatric hospital was the…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 05:50 AM
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I feel like it's not us who have a problem with statistics. It's the people who keep spreading the lies that women only go for those specific men, when over half of the men in the US are partnered(so, clearly women partnered up with men who do not fit those demographics you listed). But somehow redpillers and blackpillers think women only go for the top x% of men, where x hilariously changes from 1, 5, 20, to 30 depending on the week in this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 05:27 AM
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Chopped man epidemic They think most women are inherently more beautiful than men even if they are not I mean, how would you measure beauty? If it's in the eye of the beholder, then how people rate women and men overall would be a pretty good indicator. There's a well-studied phenomenon known as the gender attractiveness gap, where women's faces are consistently ranked more attractive across genders and across many countries. So, seems like there's some truth to it tbh. And given that for millen…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 11:20 PM
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you don't see women lining up to fuck losers who spend all day in there Mom's basement. 1) in general, women don't line up to fuck anyone. A minority of women engage in casual sex in any given year. ~1 in 5 young women do. 2) also, such a guy who spends all day in their Mom's basement would not be interacting with women. Less interactions mean less opportunity for finding a woman down for casual sex. 3) Most likely that guy relies heavily on dating apps for finding women, since they don't go out…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 06:42 PM
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They know there's no proof and that they pull most of this shit out of their asses. They just like hearing themselves rant and complain about stuff to feel better about themselves and blaming women's choices, rather than introspecting on what they might be doing wrong or not doing, for their lack of sex or companionship - it helps maintain their egos. It's just hilarious to me too that, in this sub, they can't even agree on what percent of men women go for. One week, it's the top 30%, another it…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 06:27 PM
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Wow. So you don't think someone's favorite color could be important to know? Like, you could get her a gift of some sort that integrates her favorite color. Again, that would show you cared and listened when she said what her favorite color is. "Not caring" about your partner when expressing themself just makes you a bad partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 05:23 PM
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I mean, literally telling someone you don't care is going beyond nonchalant - it's showing you aren't supportive and comes off cold. I'm tempted to say everyone, but I guess just in case I'll say "nearly everyone" if not everyone, likes when their loved one is supportive. Your post has a black and white cognitive bias in it in that you think the only options are to be controlling or to be uncaring. Nah dude, you could be supportive of your partner for doing what makes her happy and being herself…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 05:11 PM
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Right? It would totally make them rethink the redpill lmao that point of view just is born out of total ignorance of what it's like for women who don't meet conventional beauty standards
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 05:36 AM
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I'm, uh, not sure what this question would mean for me. I'm a transgender woman, so from one perspective I already became the opposite gender (from what I was assigned with at birth). Though, if it would mean I'd magically get every other female sex characteristic that medical science isn't currently able to give me, then hell yeah that would be awesome. But anyways, if looking at it from the perspective I already became the opposite gender from my agab, well I can say it motivated me to get my …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 05:26 AM
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You'd have to deny the scientific research on this matter to believe that. As this study confirms, due to women's higher emotional intelligence, they make more effective leaders than men. And then there is this oft-cited meta-analysis. Now, to explain what you're apparently observing: you may not understand how averages and bell curves work. There will be men who are more emotionally intelligent than the average woman. All it is, is that the average woman is more emotionally intelligent than the…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 05:03 AM
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I like them all except I don't really care for gifts that much, unless it's extraordinarily thoughtful and they didn't need me to come up with the gift ideas/a gift list(it always stresses me out because I can't figure out stuff I want most of the time.) The most important to me are quality time and acts of service though
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 07:10 PM
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I don't date men because of other reasons, but yeah, I tend to limit my interactions with men as much as possible due to their misogyny. I feel I can vibe better with queer men since they're dealing with the same cisheteropatriarchy women are, so it seems like they get it more often. Though, there are definitely still enough who are misogynistic so I'm not completely naive to automatically trust any queer man I run into. As for which issues, all of the above.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 08:03 AM
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Now this👆this is true. If I wasn't celibate due to sex-repulsion, I'd probably have a high body count of other women. That said though, I have a pretty large amount of current or past wlw relationships for my age.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 03:24 AM
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Perhaps one of the most grounded takes from a man in this sub
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 03:19 AM
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This reads a lot less like a question and more like a tirade of whining and validation-seeking
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 03:06 AM
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That I don't empathize with the argument? That's obvious. Not sure what you want me to say if I agree that I don't empathize with people attached to sex
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 06:58 AM
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It's both
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 06:57 AM
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Water is a need for survival. Sex isn't; so it's not a good analogy. Because of the fact no one owes anyone else sex, it's a healthier mindset that if you're not getting casual sex that you devalue it and focus on other things. Otherwise you'll become self-loathing or hate the people(women) you think are withholding something you feel entitled to. Neither are healthy My genuine view is sex is using another person, among other things. It's not a dishonest take - it's my legit view as someone celi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 06:47 AM
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Most of the women here I know are either partnered(and only having sex within that relationship) are single and looking to have sex within only a ltr, or single and not looking for anything but focused on their studies. Few actually go to parties like that and most don't do casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 06:08 AM
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Calling it a fact doesn't make it a fact lol facts have scientific evidence for them
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 05:23 AM
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Did you ever consider that maybe you hear this so much because they're telling the truth and it's actually the case most women don't have casual sex regularly? You'd expect to hear it a lot if most women don't do it. Considering the orgasm gap, the risk of getting pregnant, getting a sti, meeting up with a guy who could very well do harm to you, etc there are a lot of risks to doing casual sex for women with little to no benefit since most guys don't know how to pleasure women(orgasm gap). So it…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 05:14 AM
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I currently do and am a uni student, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 05:03 AM
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Sounds like you just want to believe what you want to no matter what evidence suggests otherwise 🤷‍♀️ Among my girl friend group of like 7(including me), there's only one of us who casually has sex regularly. None of us are the type to slut-shame at all so there's no reason for anyone to hide it between us. Most of us are either partnered(so only having sex with their partner, or in my case am celibate) or single and waiting to have sex only with a partner, aside from the one who has casual sex
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 05:03 AM
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By learning to not put so much importance on casual sex. I don't see why it would be such a good thing to be seen as only deserving of having your body used with no emotional connection rather than someone finding you worthwhile for connection and who genuinely enjoys your company, perspectives, personality, etc. Also, I think there's far fewer women than you think who engage in regular casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 04:57 AM
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Approximately 24% of men and 17% of women reported having engaged in casual sex in the past year Most women don't do much casual sex
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 04:50 AM
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I'm a lesbian, so I do actually not want to date men nor am I attracted to the male body. Most women are straight or bi though, so they are actually attracted to the male body. Idk where you get this idea most women aren't
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 11:17 PM
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Imagine thinking a society where the majority of politicians are men(many of which, including POTUS, are rapists that got away with it) and the vast majority of CEOs and billionaires are men is somehow a gynocracy 🙄 Also, no one is saying what women and men go through is the same. It doesn't mean women don't also suffer with loneliness. It's ignorant to think they don't know what loneliness is.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 12:26 AM
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Indeed. I don't expect oppressors to empathize with the oppressed. If they did, they probably would not be oppressors to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 08:11 AM
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I will never empathize with the group that sexualizes/objectifies women or blames women for their inability to get sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 07:30 AM
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I mean, I know that? It's weird to have that explained to me when I am both ace and anti-sex, so like, I know what both are about. I should add I'm not interested in controlling people's behaviors but certainly would prefer if more people were celibate
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 06:41 AM
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I mean, there's a motive if you're trying to look smart in a debate. Like, women who reduce it to supply and demand? I don't recall ever encountering any woman who did such a thing, but should I in the future, then yes, I'd tell her the same thing I'm telling you now about it being dehumanizing.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 05:32 AM
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We can literally see what you were saying(prior to your dirty edit). Attempting to gaslight someone with a background in psychology isn't a good strategy lmao Anyways, reducing human interactions and sexual relationships down to an economics term for products is incredibly dehumanizing. I feel sad for you that you'd even compare it to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 05:23 AM
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Oh wow, look at you trying to justify dishonesty, manipulation, and blaming men's lack of sexual activity on women again 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 05:09 AM
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You can get sex easily by going on Grindr. Also, I'm allowed to find sex and people desiring it disgusting. You're basically saying it's invalid for someone to find it disgusting. Why? Why are you allowed to dictate my feelings on a matter? Most people get that men are sex-obsessed and slaves to their animalistic and carnal instincts. It's not the fact that you are that's a problem to most people but when you try to get unconsenting people involved in sexual discussions or seek it in someone who…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 04:46 AM
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Also ace. Quite a few folks in that sub are too
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 04:42 AM
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Ooh I love seeing fellow celibate people in the wild! By any chance do you also like r/antisex?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 04:41 AM
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I don't know any woman who would be happy to describe their involvement with someone as a situationship. Like, a situationship is literally defined as one party hoping or acting like they're in a committed relationship while the other doesn't see it that way. So, if a woman wants a relationship, why would she be happy to describe it as a situationship? It implies she's aware she's being used for sex on its own. I don't think it has any positive connotation like you're implying. I've only ever he…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 09:00 PM
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I think they put far too much importance on it
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 10:21 PM
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As a conventionally unattractive, fat woman who puts little effort into her appearance, I still manage to get men's attention(to my lesbian dismay), I can tell you they don't have standards. They will literally fuck anyone. Hell, they'll even fuck corpses and animals(probably how HIV got into the human population. Some horny-ass man fucked a monkey)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 04:16 AM
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Dating is difficult, but I'm not interested in men (ace lesbian here). I get occasional catcalls and been approached by men a few times, including two totally clueless men who thought a psychiatric hospital was an appropriate place to do that 🙄 I've been approached by men a few times, as I said. I imagine that number would be higher if I was living my whole adult life as a woman (trans woman here, it was only after transition I started getting men to approach me ofc) and once approached by anoth…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 03:48 AM
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No, but friendships would be what I focus more of my energy around if I seriously struggled to find a partner. It's a means of shifting your energy from "woe is me" to doing something that helps produce oxytocin and helps you feel connected.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 12:30 AM
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Grown men can deal with their libidos on their own and you're not owed a romantic relationship, so if you're not finding one then try to handle it on your own. Whether it's pleasuring yourself or taking something that reduces libido. Nonetheless, women are still having to question their looks all the time, hence many spend so much time trying to improve their looks. But yes, I agree many women would still attract men even without beauty products. To my lesbian dismay, I still do and I have a ver…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 12:21 AM
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I am celibate, actually. As for relationships/dating, I do recognize that having social support is a human need, but it doesn't have to come from only a romantic relationship. Which, I think a huge problem men have is they only rely on a girlfriend or wife for providing emotional intimacy, when they could instead form intimate friendships with people, but they don't usually do that, at least not the way women do. So, I would say an intimate interpersonal "relationship"(not necessarily a romantic…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 05:06 AM
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It would help prevent misunderstanding if you used proper grammar
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 04:50 AM
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What happened to reading comprehension? I said social work is AI-resistant, but go off I guess
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 03:03 PM
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I think you're referring to my bio? First, my major is psychology. And then my minor is in queer studies, not gender studies(though, queer studies is under the women's, gender and sexuality studies dept of my uni) My education isn't going to stop there but I'll be working on a Master's in social work to become a LCSW. There's good outlook for that career as more and more people are needing social support and/or therapy. It's also AI-resistant(unlike STEM careers which are susceptible to being au…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 08:16 AM
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Yes - that's why the future is female. More are going to transition to women
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 07:56 AM
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I'm not a feminist. They want equality - I'm a misandrist and want a matriarchy. If they're upset at feminists for this, they're targeting the wrong movement.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 07:41 AM
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What I'm talking about is reality. Unless you have a source looking at just DV done against women by women - do you? You are the one who claimed the DV rates are such, so what's your source?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 07:37 AM
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looks at lesbian DV and divorce rates DV rates are not what they look like. The studies I've seen on it(which there are so few to begin with to even be able to make a conclusion from), usually look at total lifetime DV rate that lesbian and/or bi women go through from either gender, so it includes the DV they go through from men too. You'd have to isolate just the DV against women by women to conclude this, which those studies don't do to my knowledge. As for divorce rates, that also doesn't hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 07:34 AM
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What...? That doesn't follow at all from what I said
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 07:25 AM
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It makes sense to me that most women are above most men's leagues. To have a truly equal partner, more women need to date each other but sadly most are straight though. But some good news is that more and more are identifying as LGBTQIA+ each generation. Women are identifying as such at much quicker rates than men too. So there are more women attracted to women than there are men attracted to men - ergo women are just more attractive than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 07:03 AM
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I don't see why I wouldn't
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 05:35 AM
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Would you...date a guy No. I'm a lesbian
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 04:45 AM
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It's why we should have our separate societies, honestly! An all-women society would be such a breath of fresh air to me
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 04:43 AM
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At risk of sounding like a "I'm not like other girls", I don't focus on my looks at all. Mostly because as an asexual lesbian, I'm trying to not get any attention from men. But it still somehow happens to my dismay 😮‍💨
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 04:40 AM
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That's not what research on this topic suggests makes men red-pilled https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/09589236.2023.2260318#abstract https://www.researchgate.net/publication/316845210_Alphas_Betas_and_Incels_Theorizing_the_Masculinities_of_the_Manosphere
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 04:33 AM
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Honestly, lesbian separatism has a much more compelling argument for it. It should definitely not be compared to what OP is suggesting. There's no reason for men to form their own society when they still hold disproportionate power in society. Plus, lesbians have a double marginalized status as both women and being same-gender attracted.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 04:26 AM
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It's insane to me that you guys keep changing the percentage around lmao like one week it's top 20%. Then top 30%. I saw one post say top 1%. Now top 5%?? It's like you're pulling numbers out of your ass
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 03:58 AM
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if you do get to know some women and hang out with them in non-sexual contexts, you will get a much better idea of what they are like and learn much more than you will from engaging in online red pill blue pill discourse. But that would require them to actually care about the perspectives of women and treating us as having worth beyond just sex or relationships. Average red and black piller would never do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 03:57 AM
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Lmao okay buddy. My answer wasn't bullshit - it's still the same. It's not my fault you chose to make an assumption rather than asking why I choose neither 🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 08:24 PM
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I mean, the reason I'd rather be with neither is because I'm lesbian(see my pfp?), but go on with your assumptions I guess. Both of the scenarios described being with a man. I'm fine with loving a woman who is poor and I currently have that with my girlfriend. We both are below or near the poverty line, so I do value love more than wealth. If the question was between being a queen's side piece or married to a poor peasant woman, I'd choose the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 08:06 PM
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I'd rather be with neither.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 04:57 AM
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I mean, I am acknowledging my potential for bias. I've had years of training in therapy myself - particularly cognitive behavioral therapy where I've learned how to make it so my thoughts and feelings do not influence my behavior. So, while I may have thoughts of "women are better suited for leadership than men", I wouldn't allow that thought to mean I'd then discourage a male client from pursuing a leadership position if he expresses anxiety to me over going for it. I would do what I can to hel…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 03:41 AM
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I guess I must be living in your head for you to be following me around reddit. Anyways, I'm really good at compartmentalizing. While on Reddit I may express female supremacist views, this doesn't influence the way I treat men in my life. I often play the role of a "therapist friend" without any judgment and with empathy to any person I'm friends with regardless of their gender. A lot of women are good at compartmentalizing because of having higher emotional intelligence than men. Which is why a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 01:35 AM
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Well, I'd more than likely encourage going on antidepressants if it's to the point that he's depressed from being single. Those have a common side effect of decreasing libido, so hopefully that would kill his primal urges too, and then the problem is solved. But that would also only be after I try other methods I'd learn about while being a therapist(that's my goal career)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 06:04 AM
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I mean, the alternative is he doesn't have any means of coping with and handling being single. I think it's a healthy thing to do with everyone: teach how to make yourself happy and maintain habits that help that, because ultimately there's no guarantee you'll find someone to be with. But believe me, I know what testosterone is like as a woman who used to have that as my primary, endogenous sex hormone but am now estrogenized. The horniness is precisely why I don't trust anyone with T as their m…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 06:02 AM
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If I were to ever have a son(I don't want kids) then I'd teach him how to be happy single. A big problem is that a lot of men feel like they need a woman to be happy so I think it'd be best to prepare men to be happy single and sex-free.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 12:35 AM
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Yes, every individual can have different responses. I know. But there are also patterns where one gender is more likely to do one response over another. That doesn't mean they don't ever do the other responses.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 11:53 PM
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Oh I see you decided to look through my post history! Anyway, I never did say it was dictated by gender assigned at birth. If I were to guess, I'd guess trans women are likely to react to stress with a fawn response as well. They're a particularly vulnerable population, moreso than cis women, and as such have to navigate a world where they're more likely to be victims of violence. Afaik, trans women are not likely to be violent offenders, but more likely to be victims. So this suggests they don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 11:32 PM
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It doesn't matter whether a majority supported it. Being well-organized, protesting, civil disobedience, direct action - these things can affect change. That's why minority groups gain rights recognitions too. The LGBT community is a small minority, but its organizing and political action lead to them gaining rights too. Why is it so hard to believe that organizing can lead to change? And stop with the reductionist rhetoric of "a few thousand women standing outside with signs." There were decade…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 08:59 AM
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That's because those careers have high physical demands, which would require a woman to do much more training for meeting the standardized tests those careers have than men would have to do. Shooting a gun, by itself, isn't physically demanding. You just need hand-eye coordination and practice
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 07:59 AM
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The Suffragettes and equivalents in America were a tiny, elite movement that could easily be ignored. Wrong, the Women's Social and Political Union (WSPU) and the National Union of Women's Suffrage Societies (NUWSS) had hundreds of thousands of members from various class backgrounds. The 1911 "Women's Coronation Procession" in London had 40,000 participants. In the U.S., the National American Woman Suffrage Association (NAWSA) had over two million members by 1920. These were not "tiny" movements…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 07:45 AM
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Why do you think people in government began supporting women's rights? You really think that one day they just decided to out of the goodness of their hearts and not because of the organized resistance?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 07:12 AM
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The most famous example of militant women's rights activists would have been the Suffragettes, or members of the Women's Social and Political Union, in the UK. They frequently utilized tactics like property destruction, vandalism, and public bombings. They weren't really organized like a military, so no military campaigns or formal battles
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 07:06 AM
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Since you asked in your OP what women could possibly do against it if all men became violent against them in order to treat them like objects, well guns create a more even playing field. I'm all for women arming themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 06:58 AM
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I'm confused, women didn't really play a role in politics so what pressure did they have I think you probably have a narrow view on what counts as politics. To the feminist, the personal is political. And that rings true for much of feminist history where women would do small acts of protest in their daily lives that built up to creating pressure in their families to surrender their war on women. It also extends to the organizations women formed to put civil pressure on governments. I highly dou…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 06:57 AM
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Oh please go on about how the women's groups had nothing to do with feminism 🙄 Just because feminist movements had "allies" from evangelicals for the single issue of women voting, doesn't erase feminism from that history at all. That's just more revisionism. Also, I don't even know why you tunnel-visioned in on the right to vote(note how my comment didn't specify that right). There were many other women's rights advancements that didn't have evangelicals involved, such as the end of coverture la…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 06:43 AM
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That's totally ignorant of how women's rights progressed and revisionist history. Men didn't just benevolently "allow" rights to women, but rather it was a surrender to immense political pressure and a metaphorical war spanning decades that women's organizations placed on governments. Women formed institutions for the advancement of women's rights, they organized, picketed, civilly disobeyed, started lawsuits, even some rare instances of militancy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 06:27 AM
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61% of US women identify with being feminist mostly or somewhat, which means 39% don't consider themselves feminist. I'd fall under that 39% since I want a matriarchy which isn't feminism's goal, but I suspect probably very few women want a matriarchy. Let's guess that makes the 61% go to 70% if we include feminists and matriarchal woman. That means at least 30% of women are probably unaware of toxic masculinity or consciously reward that behavior. And that doesn't get into the fact liberal femi…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 05:23 AM
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Then they say Just because I don’t find you attractive doesn’t mean another woman won’t. But in reality almost every women has the same band of tastes I don't think that's true. Every man was born to two people with each having half of the same genetic makeup as them, which means they have similar looks to their parents. Yet, their mother chose to be with their father. So this suggests there is a woman out there who'd find that man attractive considering there was a woman who found his father at…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 06:00 AM
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Hmm, I might need to fix my connection to the female hivemind because I'm not getting a good answer for why those women would do that
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 12:13 AM
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Creating a program like that doesn't oppress us
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 05:30 AM
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I mean, it's just a matter of time. The y chromosome is degenerating
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 05:14 AM
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For real, like... what? Even if it's true that women are calling it misogyny(probably not), why do they let that stop them from creating the programs they want for boys and men?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 04:42 AM
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I think it'd be better to prepare men for their roles in a female future instead
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 04:02 AM
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Re-read the OP. Reciprocated effort for those scenarios would mean the woman doesn't pay any attention to you or give any effort, since in the OP scenarios the guy isn't doing any effort
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 07:25 PM
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It's male entitlement
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 07:18 PM
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I don't see why any woman would want a relationship with a man tbh. So, I kinda agree with you. For those of us who are wlw though, that's a different story.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 04:35 AM
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I mean, it is small and pathetic and is degenerating
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 02:16 AM
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Exactly. I've suffered with a number of mental health conditions my entire adult life, so a lot of times I just looked visibly depressed and isolating. So naturally I didn't tend to make friends or anyone interested in me. It wasn't until I learned to be friendly and smile more at people and express interest in them before I got people interested in talking with me or approaching me
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 12:30 AM
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You know what they say about assumptions
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 12:23 AM
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And suggesting anything else is just speculation
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 12:21 AM
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Women who aren't attractive to me, I don't say are actually attractive. What I find attractive is not necessarily by convention either. If asked, I'm not gonna be a jerk and call her ugly though. Also I'm gonna care a lot more about her personality. My attraction to women changes based on that too.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 08:48 PM
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Femcels are literally not choosing to be alone. You just don't want to acknowledge that there are women who get no attention from the other gender either.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 08:39 PM
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This kind of thing also happens to quite a few women too, it's not just men. Idk if you've ever looked into femcel communities or looked into incel history, but also the original incel was a woman named Alana - she coined the term involuntary celibacy. It's just evolved to calling woman incels femcels since misogynistic men took over the incel label at one point. But yeah, it's not a problem unique to those men. And when you also look into loneliness rates, women and men report loneliness at aro…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 08:29 PM
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Even STD rates wouldn't reflect it entirely. Women are biologically more vulnerable to STI infection than men. So the higher rate of STI's amongst women doesn't necessarily mean they're having more sex than men as a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 06:03 AM
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If it was true that those women view it as a relationship while he doesn't, more women would report having partners than men, but women are more likely than men to be unpartnered (44% vs. 40%)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 05:55 AM
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No, that's false that only imminent harmful threats trigger fight-or-flight. The studies also affirm that it's stress in general that does. It's why when people experience anxiety, their heart rate goes up, they get more energy, BP goes up, irritability and aggression go up, etc. I'm quite literally taking a psychology of stress class this semester and this was taught that fight or flight can be triggered from any stressor - not just imminent threats.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 05:44 AM
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You only said "Cause women try to hide their numbers." You said nothing about men until now. Anyways, anonymous surveys reduce the liklihood of lying. And again, I provided a very reasonable reason why fewer women would have casual sex than men. Can you tell me why more women would choose to have casual sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 05:11 AM
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Wow 😂 So your misogynistic ass is insinuating that women are inherently liars. There's literally no reason to lie in an anonymous survey. Also, women have far more risks with casual sex than men do. STI's are more easily passed to the vagina; pregnancy is something the woman would deal with; women have to be concerned with if their partner is going to be violent or SA her... etc. Why is it so hard to believe that due to those things, that fewer women would have casual sex than men?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 05:05 AM
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Prove that
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 04:51 AM
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I mean, OP didn't even cite anything. What else do we have to figure out the rate at which women and men have casual sex? Do you have anything better? And no, I reject that it's "common knowledge." You'll need something more than that to prove that happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 04:48 AM
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Except for the fact it's only a small percent of women who even do casual sex and more men do than women...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 04:40 AM
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His last sentence says: The top man was more likely to settle down before, now with smart phones having harems of girls is easier than ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 04:21 AM
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Yet another post parroting the obviously false "women go for the top 20% of men, resulting in them having harems" claim. If this was true, there would be far more women hooking up than men, but 17% of women in the last year had casual sex versus 24% of men. Then on dating apps specifically, 15% of straight men report hooking up in a month compared to 3% of straight women. If the top 20% of men had harems like you claim, these numbers would be reversed where there would be far more women hooking …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 04:10 AM
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Yeah, I'd agree that small stressors are not likely to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 03:08 AM
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I think it's important to measure the severity of the physical assault. How much damage does it do to the person? Why is it being done? When you look at crime victim surveys, police reports, hospital emergency room data, and domestic abuse shelters, it paints a very different story than the ones that self-report surveys on family life do. So, sure, you might see women physically striking men, but how often is it actually injurious compared to men doing it to women? Also, the "they know men can't…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 03:07 AM
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How is looking at the gender of the perpetrators against Lesbian and Bi women corrupting the numbers?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 02:47 AM
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I think it's reasonable to want to know what explanation there is that women are more likely to be both the perpetrators and victims. That's the main thing I'm wondering about
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 02:43 AM
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I don't think you read my post(not the OP of this thread, but the one I linked to). Those numbers you're citing don't take into account the gender of the perpetrator. Some of those 43.8% and 61.1% are from men. So when you subtract men from it, lesbians and bi women have lower IPV than straight women. This isn't "manipulating" stats, it's correctly interpreting them for the purpose of finding out which gender perpetrates IPV more.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 02:39 AM
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The issue with the studies often cited is that they look at lifetime prevalence of IPV against lesbians and bi women without taking into account the gender of the perpetrator. Lesbians and bi women are more likely to suffer IPV than straight women, but when subtracting male perpetrators from that percentage, then it becomes lower than straight women. https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/1n3q4z3/womanlovingwoman_relationships_do_not_have_more/
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 02:37 AM
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lesbian relationships have the highest levels of domestic violence That's not true, actually
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 02:25 AM
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Re: IPV Your source says for victimization: Lifetime rates higher among women than men Which makes it a little fishy that it found women to be more likely the perpetrators if women are also more likely the victims. Digging around a little, and that website admits here that: Rates of physical IPV perpetration ranged widely across studies for both men (1.0% to 61.6%) and women (2.4% to 68.9%) That's such a huge range, and the actual rate of perpetration could be lower for women than men. So if tho…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 02:24 AM
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It's stress in general - the biological mechanisms within the body don't differentiate much between the type of stress. It's why it's often talked about that the "fight or flight" response is outdated for modern day stressors. In caveman times, most of their stress came from survival in the wild and having to deal with potential animal predators. So fight-or-flight made sense. But humans, especially men, still have that built into them despite it not really being appropriate for most modern day …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 01:49 AM
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That'd be so funny to run into a bear doing yoga in the wild
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 01:40 AM
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To survive - not to buy expensive stuff(what OP said in the hypothetical)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 08:03 PM
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Because they're exploiting the fact that so many women don't have other options but to do sex work. It's a cornerstone of patriarchy: taking advantage of women and girls in poor situations by commodifying their bodies for man's own selfish pleasure. Women who are sex workers also experience incredibly high rates of physical and sexual assault. So in general the type to go buy sex are shitty human beings.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 01:25 AM
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I'm not even sex positive and I'm still friends with a sex worker. Most, like my friend, do it because they don't have other options. So I sympathize with that. I take issue with the people buying sex rather than sex workers.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 01:14 AM
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I'm already friends with someone who does occasional sex work, actually. She doesn't do it for the reason you posed though. I wouldn't be able to relate with someone who cares that much about money to get expensive things so probably wouldn't be friends with the hypothetical person you described.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 01:05 AM
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I'll add to the other people who've said they're ugly and/or fat. I am both too.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 08:26 AM
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Why don't men want women to enjoy sex too? Because they're selfish and don't listen to their partner on how to pleasure them. Why do men always feel they are the best at everything? They have a lot of misogyny to unpack. They look down on us and think we should be submissive to them. Now, I don't know why a god is being brought into this, but I don't really have anything to say to those parts of your comment as I don't wish to attack your faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 07:41 AM
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I mean, when testosterone was my main sex hormone I was definitely way hornier than now with estrogen as my main one. And lowered sex drive was something I was informed on could likely happen when I made that choice to change my sex hormones - it also tends to happen for others like me.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 07:28 AM
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Don't fewer men than women pursue careers in nursing and related jobs?
/r/MensRights03/09/25 05:56 AM
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I don't see what there is to debate on this? Like, it's common knowledge testosterone makes you a slave to horniness and likely to sexualize and objectify women. I guess one thing I'm debating you on is that you claimed "all" women would argue otherwise. You have me and a few other women who commented agreeing with the premise that men are more sexual though, so you're wrong that all women would disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 04:51 AM
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I have ideas on what you might mean, but I'm not sure which. There's some who believe real trans people will medically transition (transmedicalists) for example. So who exactly do you mean are real trans people?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 12:58 AM
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Yeah, the 1% you heard is accurate, at least according to this study: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8099405/
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 12:53 AM
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Who are real trans people to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 12:43 AM
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Well, there's no point in arguing with someone who will just dismiss everything I point out only on the basis of being trans, so good bye to you. I hope you can get past your prejudices against trans people one day because it isn't healthy to hold so much hate towards people
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 12:40 AM
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Lol just a comment ago you were using the "I know trans people" card to justify your argument and now you suddenly dismiss it when someone else is trans who disagrees with you. You clearly are just wanting to peddle your own prejudices without considering any facts on the matter, which I cited stats on the matter
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 12:18 AM
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Why? Because I'm a trans woman. I'll stuck with listening to him and his trans friend who know way more trans people and shit about trans online spaces then a person like you It's funny you're so quick to think I don't know how these spaces are or think I don't know a lot of trans people. Maybe what I said above would help you realize why I do Exactly, you do not even care about the children or what malign influences they are being exposed to, you have no horse in the race. I do. It effected my …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 12:05 AM
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but they don't like men who act like women or who act "soft". Who's saying they don't? not going to college actually helps your finances if you have a good steady job already. And the vast majority of young dudes are working, are they not? Unemployment and non-participation in the labor force are both higher in Gen Z men than Gen Z women. But yeah, I think a majority do have jobs. Question is if those jobs are are better than minimum wage or service jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 05:37 AM
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They tell any questioning person that they are an egg. Most avoid doing that. I'm in a lot of trans spaces, and generally there's an unwritten rule to not do this kind of thing. They come with feelings like "I don't feeeel like a guy" and tell them they sound like they were trans. To be fair, that is a strong indicator. But it should come along with a strong desire to be a different gender than one's assigned gender at birth as well as distress for not being a different gender. You just fking to…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 04:24 AM
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That's definitely loaded language and an extremely biased take. To brainwash means to "make (someone) adopt radically different beliefs by using systematic and often forcible pressure." Reddit isn't using systematic pressure or using force to make people trans, so no brainwashing. Maybe you should talk with more trans people, look into the science behind it, and not read any right-wing propaganda that has a reason to be demonizing trans people.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 02:47 AM
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For bi women, which gender they go with is a choice since they're attracted to both women and men. Bi women are driving the increased LGBTQIA+ identification. So I'm thinking they're choosing women over men
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 02:31 AM
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I think women getting together with each other is the largest contributor to the gap in relationships, and that's due to many factors like gen z men getting radicalized by the manosphere, them not getting their shit together(not going to college, not working, etc). Maybe some young women get with older men but I don't get the impression that's common at all. I don't know a single woman that this applies to
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 02:29 AM
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Data is more reliable than anecdotal evidence, and this study suggests that 2.5% of youth who transitioned revert back to their gender at birth, but it's important to recognize the reasons for it. Which the most common one is because of the social backlash/bullying they received, and not because they aren't actually trans.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 02:26 AM
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I don't think that they are. Look here for how I address this
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 02:19 AM
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It isn't a choice. Heterosexism was more prominent in the past and persecution against queer people was too. As heteronorms deteriorate, it allows for more people to introspect and accept who it is they are instead of suppressing it due to societal pressures. So, there's very likely more LGBTQIA+ people amongst older generations too, they just have it suppressed or never consider it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 02:17 AM
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This directly leads to relationships.... talking about "marriage" and "being single" without talking about sex and who is fucking who is meaningless. And don't people have sex with more people than they partner up with long-term? The criteria for who becomes a partner versus just a fuckboy/fuck buddy is what I'm suggesting in my post: women want a more equitable long-term partner. Its a fad. Just like being a genderqueer and pansexual. Just because you say it is? There's growing evidence to sugg…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 02:09 AM
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where was all this equality talk while men were making more and more educated? It was there amongst feminist movements. That's why they fought for women to be in the workforce so that way women wouldn't have to be dependent on men. They fought for equality. As soon as women start making more money than the man it starts mattering. Yes, because we live in a world where both women and men are expected to make a living.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 01:56 AM
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I guess you could put it that way 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 01:49 AM
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Women don't fuck men based on I wasn't talking about fucking. I'm talking about long-term relationships throughout my post. Hooking up and casual relationships are a whole other story. There are vanishingly few lesbians compared to gay men. Uhh, the sources I provided contradict that claim, at least among Gen Z. That said, I acknowledge the biggest increase in LGBTQIA+ identification over the generations is bisexuals. Bi people are leading that, so there are way more bi women and a small increas…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 01:47 AM
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I don't think that fully accounts for the gap between Gen z women's and Gen Z men's singleness though. The gap between 65+ women's and 65+ men's singleness is 14% whereas for Gen Z women and men it's 29%. Also some of the 65+ gender gap would be explained by women outliving their male partners and men generally.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 01:34 AM
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Considering this wasn't comparing female and male victims, that wouldn't be relevant. The point was to compare female victims in straight and lesbian relationships. So why would I talk about that men are less likely to report when I wasn't even comparing male victims and female victims?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 08:03 PM
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You're trying really hard to twist the situation into something it wasn't. Guy wants movie A She wants movie B Rather than insisting on her first choice, she's willing to forego it, offers an alternative movie, C. He insists on movie A and doesn't offer an alternative of his own in an attempt to reach a compromise. Thus he isn't even trying to compromise whereas she was attempting to.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 02:57 AM
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How in the world is suggesting an alternative movie bullying?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 02:43 AM
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That's not a compromise. That leads to one person getting exactly what they wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 02:41 AM
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What would be a compromise in your mind exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 02:36 AM
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She did compromise. She offered an alternative movie. Compromising is a two-way street. It takes both to decide on something neither wanted at first, but that guy insisted on the first movie he wanted without taking into account her desires at all, meanwhile she was willing to forego the first movie she preferred but he wasn't
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 02:28 AM
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also most bi women are the kind who like find some other women hot but wouldn't date them. I wouldn't be so confident to conclude that. It sounds like it could be just made up. If you were right and women were such amazing and superior partners why is the lesbian divorce rate so high? It's complicated. In straight relationships, it's more common for a woman to be a SAHM than in lesbian marriages, and so she would be less able to leave the marriage because she's dependent on the husband's income.…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 01:23 AM
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Yeah there's likely other factors going on. I think one of the larger ones would be women dating each other more; another one would be younger women dating older men. The single gap reverses when you look at older people. More old women are single than old men. And perhaps some of it is a woman thinking she's in a relationship while the man doesn't see it as one.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 01:12 AM
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If that's true, why do so many still struggle with coming out? You can go to any LGBT space and see people talking about being afraid to come out to people. I don't think this true at all that it's seen as cool over all among Gen Z to be LGBTQIA+. It might be among other people who identify as such: so other LGBTQIA+ people are likely to find camaraderie with you. Since more of Gen Z is queer, then that's why there would be that camaraderie. How would you measure someone else's sexual attraction…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 01:04 AM
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I don't know where you're getting those numbers from, but you're likely not looking at just Gen Z. Close to three in 10 Gen Z women, 28.5%, identify as LGBTQ+, compared with 10.6% of Gen Z men. Source: https://news.gallup.com/poll/611864/lgbtq-identification.aspx This idea that people can become gay is dangerous, as it heavily implies that people can become straight. And we've all seen were that leads. I never suggested that's what's going on. More people are identifying as LGBTQIA+ with each ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 12:41 AM
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It means bi women would more likely choose to be with women, and bi women are who are primarily driving the increased LGBTQIA+ identification
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 12:35 AM
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No, most are bi. You can be bi but decide to date only one gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 12:34 AM
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It's not a small increase. It's gone from single digits among boomers to nearly 1/3 of gen z women being LGBTQIA+
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 12:33 AM
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then applying that statistic to say thats the whole reason why gen z men are more single. I think they're single because men are more likely to be terrible partners. They don't provide equitable domestic labor, are more than 90% of rapists, perpetrators of misogyny, and more. So, since more gen z women are discovering themselves to be LGBTQIA+(bi women are leading that btw) they'd naturally be with the gender more likely to provide an equitable relationship. Which just isn't the true and feeds i…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 12:30 AM
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And how exactly is one supposed to be able to predict which men are going to leave? It's not like they're going to tell you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 10:02 PM
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What you're suggesting implies there aren't women who are doing the same thing to some men. I'm sure there are women who have multiple situationships with men who believe it's something more. Do you have anything more concrete to suggest women are the ones more likely to view situationships as a relationship than men are? And that more men than women have these "harems" as you put it?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 09:35 PM
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I'd stick to data rather than anecdotal observations. What you're suggesting would mean Gen Z men cheat more than previous generations, which data on the matter does not support. Gen Z men are less likely to cheat than previous generations, in fact. So the "are we dating the same guy" groups are primarily complaining about a problem that is less common than in the past. It still sucks it happens when it does, but anyways, because cheating is less likely nowadays, your explanation doesn't hold up…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 09:13 PM
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There's a stat saying that only 36% of Gen Z males are in a relationship while over 61% of Gen Z females are. Some of that discrepancy could also be more gen z women are foregoing dating men entirely and are in relationships with each other. LGBTQIA+ identification is highest among Gen Z women
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 08:45 PM
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I'm technically a femcel: I'm celibate(by choice) anyway, often described as a misandrist, and I hang out in femcel spaces(shouldn't take long to see a comment of mine in r/femcelgrippysockjail). I've never seen this said.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 08:32 AM
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They would have to date more men than hetero women for this to happen. They don't. That's what's nonsensical. That's not how this works. Only one partner would need to have done IPV against the bi woman for that woman to be part of the 61.1%. So the idea that straight women date more men is irrelevant. All it takes is one man to do it and that woman would have been part of the bi women who suffered IPV from men. Which is why I said this, 'What that means is, either these women aren't actually le…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 08:06 AM
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It's not irrelevant. The implication in your post is that women have unrealistic standards. She's arguing it's actually men who need to get standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 07:54 AM
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Wonderful clap-back
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 07:46 AM
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Hetero women date men at a higher rate than Bi women, given that Bi women are also into women, so they have less time getting involved with men, than Hetero women. Yet they experience almost double % of IPV That's nonsensical. The numbers and logic don't add up. Have you never heard of biphobia? Bi people, like other LGBTQIA+ people, face violence at higher rates than others. So, it makes perfect sense why bi women would face higher rates of intimate partner violence from men than straight women…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 07:23 AM
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Lmao, do explain how this is forcing lesbianism on anyone
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 06:26 AM
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I've found a few, but the issue with them, such as you'll see in the one below, is that they don't specify the gender of the perpetrator. I suspect if you narrow it down to specifically a woman doing IPV against another woman, these rates will be lower than when women experience IPV from a man. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8371930/#:\~:text=For%20psychological%20aggression%20victimization%2C%2048,et%20al.%2C%202013).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 04:39 AM
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I'd be for it, sure!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 04:04 AM
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Admittedly not, but you make a good point that perhaps I should start calling it that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 03:53 AM
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Hmm, I have to wonder why you still chose to not cite a source on this. I'd love to see if that source specifies the gender of the perpetrator of emotional abuse. What you're saying is that lesbians are more likely to experience emotional abuse: but I want to know from who? I'll try to look around for any source that claims this 54% number and edit this comment with it, since it seems you're not willing to do the labor to back up your own claims so I guess a woman has to do it 🙄 Edit: After a fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 03:50 AM
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Yes, your definitions are the correct ones for determining what rape and sexual assault means according to the law. The one I provided is a more common one for what sexual coercion means to laypeople. I never said all sexual coercion would go through court. Most wouldn't. My goal was simply to explain to you why those women aren't lying, not to argue that all sexual coercion is illegal. the vast majority of men are not violent towards women. Enough are for women to be concerned about the possibl…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 03:44 AM
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It's a more inclusive term that includes bisexual women. So lesbian and bi women are both women-loving-women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 03:37 AM
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Pressure can mean manipulation such as continual pestering after a no or multiple nos, threatening to break up if they don't get sex, giving a silent treatment, etc pretty much anything that would give social pressure on the partner to change their mind to a yes. As for that friend, I can't speak for her on why she'd be willing to give in when not actually wanting it. I can speculate, though, such as perhaps she was worried what you'd do if she flat out said no.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 03:23 AM
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IPV is just a newer term for domestic abuse/violence. Basically, it's meant to be more inclusive for partners that don't live together since "domestic" implies that. But anyways, could you cite where you're getting these stats from please?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 03:20 AM
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The issue is you're looking up the term "coercion" rather than "sexual coercion." Perhaps try the latter. Sexual coercion is a different type of coercion than general coercion. Also, regardless of whether you agree with the definition, it's still the case that if a woman is going off the definition I provided, they're not lying. They just have a different definition of sexual coercion than you do and what they experienced falls under it. Edit: Also, please note I've not claimed it's equivalent t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 03:09 AM
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That's interesting information and expected. Yeah, marginalized populations are more vulnerable to violence - they will have worse outcomes from it because the status of being marginalized leaves one feeling alone. And once you're a victim of IPV when already part of a group that is viewed with disdain, it seems reasonable that it would result in worse mental health outcomes. Thanks for providing this info
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 03:00 AM
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It's why it's important to look at the survey with critical thinking(don't just accept what the person claims the survey says). Most I've seen go off of lifetime prevalence of IPV. Some don't specify the gender of the perpetrator. Some do. The ones that do end up finding that lesbians and bi women are less likely to be victims of IPV from a female partner than a woman is to be a victim of IPV from a male partner. And I encourage you to look at such surveys and verify yourself if what I'm saying …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 02:46 AM
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Sexual coercion is often defined as: unwanted sexual activity that happens when you are pressured, tricked, threatened, or forced in a nonphysical way Source: https://womenshealth.gov/relationships-and-safety/other-types/sexual-coercion So, yes it is coercion to be pressured into sex. We could debate the level of harm between physical violence, or threats thereof, being used to get sex versus nonphysical pressure, but either one still falls under sexual coercion. But since it's a pretty well-acc…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 02:43 AM
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That answers it, yeah, thank you for sharing 😊
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 05:03 AM
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Thanks. And I'm on all sorts of meds that seem to be helping! Therapy too
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 03:56 AM
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No. Like I said in my post, I'm lesbian
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 01:41 AM
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I'm curious what other women like about men. I want to see if there would be an answer that might make me think differently about men. I'm open to changing my view of them
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 01:24 AM
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You're definitely not the first bi woman to tell me she'd date women if you broke up with your current male partner! I feel like wlw relationships are just going to be more equitable usually.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 01:12 AM
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Do you feel it's mostly neurotypicals that are annoying?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 01:06 AM
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I might just not have ever had great men in my life I guess 🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 01:03 AM
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I never said they should improve anything for me. Also, they don't have to like me. I'm fine with men disliking me. If anything, I want that because I'd rather not get hit on by them. But that happens now and then
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 12:57 AM
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Is it my job to improve stuff for them?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 12:46 AM
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Well, that's more intended to go with the rainbow flag to represent queer studies(one of the subjects I study) rather than representing myself. But I guess I can kinda see how that might give it away too
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 12:38 AM
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Yeah. I've been in and out of them so many times in the past 12 years I've lost count. Being bipolar with psychotic features, PTSD, generalized anxiety, and ADHD is a shitty hand to be dealt.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 12:37 AM
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Yeah, I might have a problem with focusing too much on my identities at times. I'm trying to cut back on it though.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 12:34 AM
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Oh I know, I do have activity for specific subs hidden. Though, I think it would have taken some searching to find I'm trans since trans subs are the ones I have hidden(or they should be anyway)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 12:26 AM
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Well, someone did their research on my profile it seems...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 12:19 AM
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It might be worth noting that the only "intimate" male friends I have are gay or transgender. Actually, yeah, the only close guy friend I had was trans. I guess if I want more guy friends I might look for more trans men but I'm not particularly invested in looking for guys to befriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 12:13 AM
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Good thing I'm not doing that
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 03:41 PM
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I don't think it's by choice. What I think is that there are way more bi people than we currently have(and perhaps more lesbians since that also has seen a modest rise). LGBTQ identification has been going up with each new generation, with bisexual people leading the pack, and I don't think it's because people are choosing it so much as society has been changing. It's no longer as homophobic as it was in the past. Heteronorms are starting to crumble, and so people feel less pressure to identify …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 05:06 AM
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Oh I'm aware women find sex fun. Many are socialized to find no issue with being put in objectifying positions
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 04:42 AM
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What in the femcel? I am not a femcel 😤.... Okay maybe I am technically since I am celibate and so is my gf, but that's because we are r/antisex and sex-repulsed. But in relation to the rest of your comment, I feel like you're arguing against a straw man. I'm not saying all men are bad but that male sexuality has inherent issues in it
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 04:37 AM
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I don't think any study suggests that. Of the ones I've seen, they indicate bi women are most likely to suffer domestic violence, most of which from a man. Lesbians have a slightly higher rate of being domestically abused than straight women, but that's lifetime and when subtracting the men who did it to the lesbian, it comes out to a lower domestic violence rate from what I've seen. So the actual rates of domestic violence between a woman/woman couple is lower. The reason people think otherwise…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 04:15 AM
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Or just find one of the many good men out there. She'll probably end up looking her whole life lol There are plenty of shitty women who bring men to ruin, but I didn't use that as an excuse to give up on women The difference here is I'm talking about power imbalances that male sexuality currently hinges upon. I'm not saying "some men have done terrible things so I'm giving up on all men" but rather that there's a pervasive pattern of power imbalance innate to heterosexual relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 04:04 AM
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Not a joke. I sympathize a lot with the idea of lesbian/feminist separatism and think it's very much needed for women to be liberated from the patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 03:56 AM
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In what ways do you argue such children are at a disadvantage?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 03:53 AM
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What are you going on about? I haven't indicated any group is superior to another
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 03:11 AM
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Re-read my post. I said either decenter men or enter relationships with other women. Those who are truly straight could decenter men
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 03:04 AM
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That's not a problem that modern science can't solve. Plenty of babies are born without sex happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 03:02 AM
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Lesbians have the highest rate of domestic violence. Fact. No, that isn't true. Bi women, not lesbians, were found to have the highest rate of intimate partner violence, 90% of which from men. https://archive.cdc.gov/www_cdc_gov/media/releases/2013/p0125_NISVS.html The data presented in this report do not indicate whether violence occurs more often in same-sex or opposite sex couples. Rather, the data show the prevalence of lifetime victimization of intimate partner violence, sexual violence and…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 03:00 AM
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There's no number that would overcome "physical issues." All men are unattractive and no amount of money would change my mind
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 01:52 AM
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Shows most Bi people are either gay or straight That doesn't show that. It shows that most bi people swipe right on just one gender. There could be quite a few reasons for that besides what you're concluding, such as if that person has never dated x gender before, then perhaps they're looking to do so, so they swipe left on the gender they already have dated previously. Or, in the case of bi women choosing to only swipe right on men, that could be because it's the more acceptable relationship in…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 09:28 AM
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The article linked points to the rise in id with LGBT+ being largely due to bisexual people, especially bi women. Bi women aren't straight or lesbian.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 09:14 AM
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Women are hand held to the point where they get a majority of scholarships When you make up majority of the student body, then yes, it makes sense to have majority of scholarships. a majority of college acceptance When you make up the majority of college applicants, yes it makes sense you get majority college acceptance. Men are just choosing to not apply to colleges. a majority of degrees Again, makes sense when you're the majority of the student body due to more choosing to go to college. majo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 09:09 AM
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We don't know for sure, because unfortunately studies don't exist(to my knowledge) that look at the percentage of women and men who are in same-gender relationships. Which is surprising. So I'm making an educated guess this is the case, but I think it's a more reasonable explanation than the one claiming a lot more women are in situationships with the same x% of men. That claim is also speculative
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 08:05 AM
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Queer is just a broader term that encompasses all non-heterosexual sexualities or non-cis genders. So, it's still likely they'd be attracted to other women if they choose to identify with queer as opposed to the L or B.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 08:01 AM
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I think there could be some differences in viewing it as a relationship versus not between women and men. So yes, some of it could be situationships where the woman considers it a relationship and the man doesn't. With it being a smaller discrepancy though, I don't think it would mean the same x% of men are having multiple situationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 07:56 AM
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It's mostly bi women that make up that percentage of LGBTQIA+ women. So, they could be interested in men but more are choosing to be with women than ever before
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 07:42 AM
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I'd love to see those studies. Nonetheless, you need only an increase of bi women who end up with women than how it was previously, and that can explain why more women are in relationships than men. For instance, let's say 30% of bi women end up with women, and given the increase of women who identify as bi, that still yields the result of more women being with each other than previously and can explain the discrepancy between men being single and women being single.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 07:35 AM
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Do you have citation for lesbian couples' divorce rate? According to this study , same sex couples dissolution rate per year is 1.1% versus heterosexual couples at 1.6% Edit: even granting that lesbians divorce more often, I don't see how it's relevant to the topic of which gender women are choosing to date at which percentages.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 07:33 AM
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Nah, we use dating apps too. Just not the typical ones because those are built for straight people. We'd use ones like HER(a sapphic dating app), Taimi, or Lex
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 07:20 AM
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Yeah, some people claim that women report being in a relationship when the man doesn't see it that way(situationship). I don't believe that's the reason why more young women report being in relationships than young men though
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 07:17 AM
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How can women be rewarding behavior that hasn't happened yet? Most abusive relationships don't start out that way but happen over time. So a woman would have chosen to be with a man before even knowing he'd be abusive. A reward comes after the behavior, not before.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 04:26 AM
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You see, you think you're nice, but blaming the victim of abusive behavior is certainly not nice behavior. Maybe it's all men in reality. Why are we to believe you or your friends would actually be any better once you're with a woman? Sounds like you'd probably carry on your victim-blaming mentality and use that as justification for why your bad behavior isn't actually that bad
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 03:20 AM
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Yeah, lesbian here. And yes, it's a debate sub. I didn't feel like debating this though so I commented here since top level comments are supposed to debate with you
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 12:05 AM
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Thanks for reminding me why I'm so glad I am not attracted to men 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 11:58 PM
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Yup!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 04:53 AM
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No way. I would never even be an actress - I'm much too introverted and dislike attention. I also would never have a boyfriend or husband.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 03:51 AM
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Are persons not part of a group of people? Applying it to a specific person of the particular group would be a natural extension of what I did say. At this point I feel like you're just arguing to argue... the point still stands that the other redditor improperly reversed my argument. Also I thought I'd point out they first changed it to "someone" from my "group of people."
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 06:27 AM
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I didn't say that was the case. You reversed the actual argument I was making, which is if someone is disgusted by another person then they are not attracted to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 06:23 AM
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I think it's not that simple. Presumably, if someone has a disgust response to a specific group of people, let's say of a specific race, then they wouldn't be attracted to them. But disgust responses based on race are rooted in racism. And it's very possible to stop being racist. If that person did, then it's very possible they may find people of that race attractive if they no longer have that disgust response. In effect, working on your own prejudices could open up more people to whom you're a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 05:51 AM
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Do you think this is true also of marginalized identities?(i.e not dating someone due to race, disability, or other marginalized status) Or could prejudice be involved and make it less valid?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 05:44 AM
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Very much so overlooked. When I see the fact that more young women are in relationships than young men, my first thought was "Oh, the women are dating each other" whereas for OP and probably other redpillers, they think "women are dating/in situationships with the same top 10% of men." Or whatever percentage they spew. Heteronormativity strikes again. It doesn't occur to them that maybe women would date each other lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 02:43 PM
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As a lesbian, I thought I'd point out another possibility: maybe there's more women in relationships with each other. Gen Z women are more queer than any other group 31% of Gen Z women versus 12% of Gen Z men [are queer] Source: https://news.gallup.com/poll/656708/lgbtq-identification-rises.aspx So whether because they're choosing to be single or dating each other, women are increasingly choosing not to date men Edit: this could also explain why the more straight-oriented dating apps like tinder…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 09:07 AM
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What are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 05:44 PM
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This is an insane take. That's not what taxes pay for. You get government services in exchange for taxes and you work because otherwise you wouldn't make a living to survive.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 04:15 PM
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You say all this like it's a bad thing but all you've actually done is just lay out what feminists like me are doing rather than explain why it's bad, except I guess kinda (weakly) in the last paragraph. Oh no, so all the traditional ways men sexually exploited women are gone and now you have to figure out a different way to have sexual outlets. What ever shall we do? Y'all have hands and imagination, do you not?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 05:00 AM
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She's not ace but she's respectful of my need for a nearly sex-free relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 12:19 AM
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Hey fellow ace here
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 08:18 PM
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Probably an unpopular opinion for this sub but, can we like stop overgeneralizing? I think we should. There are women who will approach men. There are also women who approach women, like me. There are those who wait for either to approach them. There are those who neither approach nor want to be approached. People are all different.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 10:34 PM
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That's a lot of assumptions. Also I mean, I'm asexual and lesromantic. So I'm only attracted to women romantically. Maybe don't paint people with a broad brush?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 07:01 PM
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I define it as little to no sexual attraction towards others. So it doesn't include romantic attraction - for example I have a different romantic orientation. While I'm asexual I'm a lesbian romantically or I call it lesromantic. Some aces do still have sex btw, I'm just one of them who prefer not to.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 06:56 PM
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I'm probably the one you meant to ask that towards. I don't have sexual partners, no, and at the moment I have one romantic partner but I've been looking for more.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 05:34 PM
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I try to seek out other asexual partners though my current partner isn't but we are polyamorous
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 02:02 PM
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Apologies, since most of your post focused on the idea of postponing sex, and you ended it with a question of being in a bad relationship if the sex was fantastic, I assumed you meant compatible as in able to please me/give good sex or something. In that case, yeah, I wouldn't be with someone who expects sex, or otherwise they gotta be okay with it that we don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 04:00 AM
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Personally, I am celibate(even while partnered) so it doesn't matter to me whether my partner is good at sex because we aren't having any anyways
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 03:45 AM
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No. As a lesbian, they're all just the first category
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 02:27 AM
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At the time, I didn't really accept myself as a woman nor would anyone else have. I'd have been viewed as a guy
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 02:06 AM
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I'm a trans woman
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 01:43 AM
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It certainly seems that way. I definitely had accusations of whiteknighting against me in my past. Part of patriarchy has this built into it to make men completely unsympathetic towards women's issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 01:23 AM
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I never have and I've never known any other woman who has. But I also tend to be very picky with the company I keep. In general, I keep only kind people in my life as friends and no one I know has ever mocked someone else for any reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 12:40 AM
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I identify as a feminist, specifically of the radical variety
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 09:49 PM
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Very true. It absolutely explains OP's possible dating troubles
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 12:41 AM
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Imagine being this capitalist-brained you view sex as a marketplace and describe it all in terms of that rather than framing it around human connection
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 12:35 AM
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I've seen both red and blue pill content here. There's not really any pink pill content and then black pill is rightfully banned
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 04:28 AM
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Bingo
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 02:16 AM
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Something I learned early on in my life is to not apply my own life to everyone else. Just because this happened for you doesn't mean what you experienced from women is true of all or even most women. Recognizing this, I'll bring up my own experience as an example. I'm a trans woman, but for the first 25 years of my life I didn't live as one but more or less lived it as a cis guy. I've always been more attuned to women's issues as I'm very feminist-minded, so you could say I was one of those "go…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 02:07 AM
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