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The fact that you've gone out if your way to call random dudes ugly tells me all I need to know about you. But he could never fuck her himself even when she did that. It still made her more obtainable to him because she stopped thinking about what real men might want So in your mind, "real men" want women to cover their faces in makeup instead of just being natural? 😂😂 That's so ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 10:00 AM
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That's just how people look. That's just not true. Most don't normally have dark circles around their eyes and uneven skin unless they're sick, didn't sleep for a while or something. Most guys faces don't even look like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 09:03 AM
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What men really mean when they say that is they hate that they know women are dressing up to look submissive for better, younger, more dominant men than them No, that perspective has more to do with your own psychological baggage. The post is about genuine women, not women playing roles by dressing a certain way to attract dumb men. I'm not into those women, so 🤷
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 04:27 AM
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Well, good thing there's atleast a couple of women in this thread who aren't attached to makeup and they see what I'm saying. You are still caring way too much for my tastes about what women are doing with their own face. Not really. Saying women look better when they're natural isn't "caring way too much" about what women do with their faces. The fact that you said that tells me that you're way too attached to makeup and are inauthentic, so naturally, a man saying he prefers authentic women who…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 02:12 AM
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Sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 01:58 AM
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Having imperfections is a result of being human. Yes, but constantly having "baggy eyes and uneven skin" is a sign that maybe something isn't right because skin shouldn't look like that naturally on a healthy person. And women who wear makeup to hide it aren't really doing themselves any favours because they're not addressing the real issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 01:26 AM
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I know what a woman without makeup looks like. I live with women. or a woman with under eye circles, dull skin, acne scars and sun spots? Is this really what your skin normally looks like without products from the store? If true, that sounds more like you need to take care of your skin in other ways because the makeup isn't going to help you much. It just hides the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 01:18 AM
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I think the “no-makeup, makeup look” is fooling y’all No, I know what the 'no makeup' look looks like. It's weird how the women commenting keep saying this.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 01:16 AM
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That's because they're used to seeing you with makeup and so when they see you without it, they naturally notice the difference. It's like if I wore fake muscles or something under my clothes every day, and then one day I don't. People will obviously notice the difference, so it would be much better to just be real from the beginning.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 01:13 AM
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It is probably a very unpopular view Yeah, unfortunately. but to me women without makeup often look friendlier and I feel on average more comfortable with women who don't wear makeup. Exactly. Women without makeup look much more real and down to earth too. some encourage or teach their daughters to wear makeup even before they are teenagers. Yeah, it's sad. You would think if they genuinely loved their daughters, they would teach them that they're beautiful the way they are naturally, without ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 01:10 AM
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Maybe your "natural" baggy eyes and uneven skin are the result of the chemicals called makeup up you constantly put on your face.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 06:36 PM
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Sometimes mods just remove stuff because they don't like it and then they come up with an excuse. It's actually happened to me a few times.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 05:52 PM
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You mean they look better with "no-makeup makeup" No, if that's what I meant, I would've said so. It's strange how women commenting assume they know what I mean and proceed to tell me, even though in the post I literally say what I mean. I refuse to believe you prefer uneven skin, bags under eyes and spots. So without some product you buy from the store, your skin is naturally uneven, and you have spots and bags under your eyes? How come only women's skin is like this? I literally never have bag…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 05:36 PM
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If more men wore eyeliner and some concealer and foundation women would be more attracted to them. No thanks. I prefer attracting women while looking and being natural. And if I needed to wear eye liner and concealer to attract them, I would choose to be singe forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 05:32 PM
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but it just hides what they really look like. Exactly. So it doesn't actually make them look better, unless you just go along with the illusion in your own mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 05:31 PM
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Why do you need there to be a "benefit" to being natural and authentic? It seems you wear makeup because you benefit from the attention you get from men. Sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 05:29 PM
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Says who and why?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 05:27 PM
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Do you normally have dark circles and blemishes? I don't wear makeup and I don't. Neither do women around me.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 03:22 PM
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Lack of makeup isn't some cheat code for which women are authentic. What? Its a sign that the woman is potentially authentic, whereas if she's wearing makeup I know she's not that awake and authentic. Men who insult and care so much about appearance.. blech and ick. And yet women cater to them by wearing makeup, fake eye lashes and so on 🤷‍♂️. Who do you think would be into that, except men who care too much about women's appearance??
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 02:29 PM
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Not really. Either you agree that authenticity is better or you don't. Me showing you pictures of random women won't change that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 02:26 PM
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Lest than 5%, unfortunately.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 02:25 PM
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Do you think the majority of men would prefer if no women ever wore makeup starting tomorrow? The authentic ones, yes. And also, that doesn't even matter. You should go natural because you're authentic. Not because men like it. because a lot of men want women to look a certain way. And women wear makeup to appeal to them, which encourages those men even more🤦
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 02:13 PM
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I am going to let you in on a little secret most women you think are not wearing makeup are wearing makeup. What's up with women assuming that I don't know what women without makeup look like? And they say it as if their inauthenticity is a "gotcha" too. Weird. If I couldn't tell, I wouldn't have made the post. I have sisters, I have seen them countless times with and without makeup. And I've been with women I've seen before and after applying makeup within an hour. So I know the difference. Mak…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 02:08 PM
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although most tend to go for the "natural"/no makeup look. And my point t is I can see through the "natural" look and prefer genuine authenticity, not the appearance of it. They all need to be told that she's perfectly healthy...just not made up today. This is more on women who wear makeup than the men who can't tell. I was in a psych class once with a girl who wore a tonne of makeup, and one day she didn't wear it. When the lecturer was taking the roll, she almost missed her because she literal…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 02:05 PM
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I've only worn makeup once in my entire life. My friend kept nagging me about how I should try it out, I would like it, blah blah. So I went to the mall and got it done at one of those makeup counters. I felt like I had a concrete mask on my face. It was so uncomfortable. Never again Good for you. It's encouraging to see a woman who can see through the trap of makeup. Unfortunately, out of many comments from women, you're the only one so far who can see what I'm saying. Most are basically attach…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 01:51 PM
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For someone who doesn’t mind, you seem to mind a lot. Okay, if you say so.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 01:46 PM
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the vast majority of men, both online and in real life, have no idea what makeup actually is Well, I do. Hence the post. I'm into natural and authentic women, not women creating a look that appears natural because I can see through the inauthenticity (here comes the downvotes).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 01:40 PM
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How do you know what I mean? Makeup looks even worse on older women because i can see through it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 01:38 PM
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By showing you pictures of random women online who I don't even know, even though I've told you that I've literally seen women with and without makeup after showering together? Like I said, free to just not believe me, I don't mind. And feel free to downvote my comments, as if that means anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 01:37 PM
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I’m cursed because I’m a face man first and an ass man second. There are way more women with nice asses and bodies in general than with nice faces. Hahah fair enough, man.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 01:30 PM
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Well, atleast you're honest. But doesn't seeing through the makeup ruin it for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 01:25 PM
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No. I'm not going to prove to you that I know what a woman who isn't wearing makeup looks like. That's silly. Feel free to just not believe me, I don't mind 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 01:24 PM
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they don't know how much makeup the average woman is wearing. Well, I do. In fact, I was just with some women who looked like they weren't wearing makeup and I thought that was great, but then I remembered that they might be wearing "natural"-looking makeup. Which is unfortunate because even when it seems like a woman is authentic, I still have to consider that she may not actually be. It's more attractive to seem "natural No, to authentic men (which aren't very many) it's more attractive for a …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 01:22 PM
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The title of the post says: Women look better in minimal makeup, and they look even better with no makeup. So obviously, I know what minimal makeup looks like.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 01:18 PM
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I think you don’t know what a woman wearing ‘little to no makeup looks like.’ I do. You just make me not take you seriously by assuming I don't. I have sisters, I have seen them for years with and with no makeup. And I've also been with women I've seen with and without makeup, I know because we've taken showers together and I've seen them putting it on at the start of the day. The rest of your comment is based on a false assumption.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 01:08 PM
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I know it does. But if you were actually an authentic person you would know that beyond the "natural look", there's also the authenticity of not wearing makeup and just being real. It's funny how you think you're actually making a good point.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 01:07 PM
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Yeah, obviously. That's why I said this is just my perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 01:03 PM
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Like I said, this is just my perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 01:02 PM
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But that's not true either. The mind is actually the source of misery and when it slows down, this is what people experience as happiness. But happiness itself isn't in the mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 12:54 PM
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They're only "happy" relative to the misery they live in. So its not really happiness, it's just less misery.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 12:50 PM
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anyway happiness lies in the head..... Not for Hefner it didn't, or most people for that matter, hence an unhappy world.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 12:30 PM
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Why not? He achieved what 99.99% of this planet male species is unable to accomplished ROFL.. You should probably do a quick google search on him to see the true reality. He was so bored with sex with women that he started paying them to have sex with animals while he watched, atleast according to his ex in a documentary about what he used to do. So no, he wasn't happy because sex isn't the key to happiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 12:19 PM
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example those old rich men getting hotties half their age while the rest of the poor old men with their old sagging walrus Yeah, but so what? I mean look at someone like Hugh Hefner, do you think he was actually happy?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 12:06 PM
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No, I mean what? What you're saying makes no sense. Men don't know how to give women? Wtf
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 03:07 AM
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Modern men have no clue how to give to a woman, What??
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 03:00 AM
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You can be intelligent all you want, So you don't have enough intelligence to not be controlled by your biological urges?? I don't see why society should ignore the biological realities that loneliness in men is a killer Loneliness is not biological, it's psychological.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 12:15 AM
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Has little to do with male standards Yes, it does. Women don't exist in a vacuum where it's just them. planning and approach are on the guys shoulders. They don't have to be. Men allow it, when they don't even need to approach women in the first place. All that does is stroke random women's egos just for existing, which is part of the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 12:12 AM
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"she was right". Why would I quote her if I thought she was wrong? Are you even thinking through what you're typing? Obviously I was referencing your original position on women being forced into corruption. It's the position of a woman I was quoting. Maybe your problem is with her. And judging by how triggered you are and all the name calling, she was right, but unfortunately you don't seem to know what a hyperbole is.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 10:02 AM
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and yet biology doesn't give a damn about intelligence. Good thing you have intelligence (hopefully) to not be controlled by your biological urges.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 06:28 AM
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Well, good luck with that then. I'm sure people who've started families with this mentality have found happiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 04:06 AM
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loneliness kills faster than cigarettes Being alone doesn't mean loneliness. You only feel lonely when you're alone and are trying to escape from it. It's alot worse to be lonely in a relationship, which many people are.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 03:46 AM
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Like a said, any man who's starting a family with women with your mentality has to be an idiot.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 03:41 AM
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It doesn't. It's just that women think it does because they're programmed to think that. A man might make money from sex trafficking, and ofcourse women will think he's attractive because he has money and they don't care how he got it. But is he actually attractive? No he's a garbage person who trafficks people, but women don't really care. They just see money.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 03:39 AM
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by backing away from arguing that women are "forced" into being "corrupt" That's a quote from Esther Vilar, not me 🤷‍♂️. Also, I know you know that she was being hyperbolic as a literary device, unless you've just never read a book before, which is possible. argue for your original position rather than shamelessly changing your position I didn't change my position, and you even said you agree with it. You're choosing to focus on the quote by Esther Vilar for some weird reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 03:31 AM
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No I read it. That's why I said maybe you read it, but you didn't understand what you read. If you did, you wouldn't have made the comment you did.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 01:38 PM
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Maybe you read the post, but it seems you didn’t understand what you read.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 01:35 PM
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The fact that there's no incentive to not be "corrupt" (which isn't even true) doesn't mean that there are any penalties for not being corrupt There are social penalties. Your point is dumb and you should just take the L Ofcourse you have to say that considering what the post is about.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 01:29 PM
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You didn't actually read the full post, did you?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 01:26 PM
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but it’s not like these guys are saying “hey I don’t really like you but let’s get married.” Yeah, but they reveal that they're not actually into her as a person in many ways. What happens is they pay for meals and other stuff, so women over look this fact because they think money means love.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 01:25 PM
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Assuming this is a real quote I was paraphrasing which is why it wasn't in direct quotes. I don't think Esther knows what the word "forces" means. She obviously didn't mean it in a physical way. But I see you have no counterpoints coz she was right.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 01:23 PM
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Being a provider isn’t being an ATM. It is though. A "provider" has to be an atm. Ofcourse at this point any man getting a woman pregnant so he can provide for her has to be some kind of idiot.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 01:18 PM
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Also, why is financially providing for your family considered being used as an ATM? Dating a woman with no children isn't providing for a family. Why is being a kind, considerate, and respectful person being labeled as “catering to them”? Because you as a woman aren't "kind" enough to do the same for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 01:08 PM
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Jesus Christ Im wasting my time. You really are, because everything you're saying is nonsense. For example: If they had the same standards no ones gonna meet those standards just like many men I never said men should have the same standards. Thats you saying that. There's no such things as alignment. This is a dumb thing to say. the fertility rate is the lowest. Yeah, but not for the reasons you think.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 01:05 PM
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This isnt about me or you. This is about masses behaviour. Yeah, which is why the post refers to "most men". I didnt even mention myself so how can I be trying to portray myself in anyway? I get you wanna portrait yourself as an high value male, I really don't, which is why the post isn't about me.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 01:01 PM
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you lack basic biology knowledge. Biology doesn't turn men into simps with no standards. If everybody has the same standard as the average woman humanity will go exctint. This is a dumb thing to say. If most men had standards, most women would have to be in alignment with those standards since they're also programmed to be attracted to men (atleast the straight ones).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 12:57 PM
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Some women end up married to and having kids with these guys This is on them though. As a woman, you should be able to tell if a guy is into you enough to have kids with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 12:53 PM
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yeah, men need women Good luck with that mentality. I'm sure women won't take advantage of it. Everybody wants a partner Again, the key word is wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 12:49 PM
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Im not talking about my experience nor about me. Everyone is programmed. So when I say you're programmed to say what you said, I don't just mean you. I mean anyone with that mentality. Its basically impossible to escape social programming so its not just you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 12:46 PM
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and hes gonna be alone forever This isn't even true. You're just programmed to think this. Even if you're right, basic Intelligence should tell you that its better to be alone than to be with someone you don't genuinely like.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 12:30 PM
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Unfortunately many men actually defend and justify their own lack of standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 11:28 AM
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by your logic, most women don’t have real standards either. Well, their standards are usually materialistic. They don't care what kind of person a man is, they mostly only care about his income/money and his ability to stroke their egos. Cue the downvotes.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 11:20 AM
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We, since this is your perspective, sounds like you think that people like rapists have no choice but to rape, because there is no free will after all, according to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 11:17 AM
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The average man can't have "real standards" He can, he just chooses not to. He just wants somebody. Want is the key word. Edit: The men downvotting this are basically insisting that they need women and can't have real standards. Interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 10:54 AM
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No, its reciprocation. Those are 2 different words with different meanings.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 02:18 PM
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If a man loves a woman, he doesn't try to get sex from her when she's not interested. He can get sex elsewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 11:21 AM
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If you think that someone shouldn't judge you based on how much money you have, just because you think it's just piece of paper, then you are really delusional, and trying to cope for your lack of money. Did I say any of this? I don't care if anyone judges me. there's nothing wrong with it. Reread my post. I clearly said there's nothing wrong with a relationship being transactional, but the fact is it won't be based on love. Your feelings about this don’t change the fact that its true. Ignoring …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 09:35 AM
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Money is one of the things that tell about who someone is. This is just a silly thing to say. So no, someone making money by child-traficking is not the same as someone making money by spending years learning the useful skills I didn't say they were the same. Reread my comment. Money is not just a paper, lol...!! It literally is. Banks print it out of thin air. We just project value onto it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 08:17 AM
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the money that they have is a reflection of who they are. That's just silly. Money is just paper and numbers on a screen. It means nothing about who someone is, otherwise what does the lack of money say about poor people in third world countries? And what about people who make lots of money from child trafficking and other horrible stuff?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 07:40 AM
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Nothing, never mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 06:39 AM
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my point is different things are important to different people in romantic relationships. Yeah, but if money and material things are what's important then the relationship is not based on love, that's the point. It's strange that many people in here don't understand this simple truth. like to feel taken care of in a relationship, Everyone does. Women aren't special because they want this. If someone requires sex out of a relationship, it's transactional in the sense of your OP, and thus not trul…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 01:57 AM
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I'm pretty sure you know what I mean since asexuality isnt the norm, but okay 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 01:49 AM
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Never said it was. I said sex is part of a romantic relationship, and I know you know it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 01:42 AM
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🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 01:41 AM
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Dating a guy for his money and material things is clear not based on love.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 01:39 AM
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What are your thoughts I don't really care what an entitled princess thinks. I'd have to be an idiot to care.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 01:38 AM
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It’s not clear there’s “no love involved if it’s transactional.” To me it is. Love doesn’t help if you’re starving or sexless or miserable. Real love does. If you have love within yourself, you're not going to be miserable. Being sexless isn't a big deal, monks are celibate and they're happier than most people. If you want proof, date a girl (because you think she’s pretty, smart, etc) then have her stop taking care of herself, depend on you for everything, gain 200lbs, never do a thing around t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 01:21 AM
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Real love comes with intelligence and wisdom, therefore someone who actually loves their partner will know to leave when it's necessary. Real love is unconditional but that doesn't mean putting up with abuse because real love also includes loving yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 01:17 AM
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You aren’t the dictator of love . No, but if for example a guy is in a relationship with a woman he abuses, I can point out that he doesn't love her, which would be true.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 01:11 AM
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The word has multiple meanings to it. The meaning I'm talking about is described in the post in a couple of paragraphs.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 01:09 AM
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Hahaha okay 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 01:08 AM
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Then be humble instead of expecting men to spend money on you. Thats way more attractive. Many of them also don't have much money, you're not unique in that sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 01:07 AM
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Your idea of love is extremely limited.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 01:06 AM
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Okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 01:05 AM
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I'm not really concerned about how I come accross to npcs, sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 01:05 AM
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Stop trying to sound smart. I can't not sound smart if I am smart 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 01:04 AM
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Do you agree with the above statement? Sex is part of a romantic relationship. Leeching money and material things off your partner isn't. Well, it actually is for most relationships, but these a fake relationships not based on love.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 01:01 AM
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she respects you for being a man with the drive and work ethic to be able to provide and having the natural desire to protect the people you love. Good luck with that. This all sounds like a bunch of cope to cover for the fact that you can’t provide. I'm not interested in providing for another adult. That sounds like a job for you. Enjoy it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 12:47 AM
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Because their relationships are transactional and focused on getting what they want for themselves. I didn't say there is no way to tell.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 11:06 PM
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Then everyone loves random people on the street, and all humans Nope, most don't even love each other in their personal relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 11:03 PM
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There's no "how" to it. It just is.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 10:58 PM
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Transactional is also not inherently bad. Like I already said in the post, it's fine if people want their relationships to be transactional. But they should atleast stop pretending to love each other because that is not love.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 10:48 PM
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Tiktok is not a source. I don't have tiktok 🤷‍♂️ I don’t think That much is clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 10:45 PM
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Most don't, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 10:38 PM
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You’re making generalizations. Yes, that's how talking about large groups of people works. We’d like to believe that we are all loved exclusively for who we are, but the truth is that a relationship, any relationship, is about the value you bring to each others lives. If you're not loved for who you are then it's clearly not real love. When a man provides for his wife and family the dynamic shifts because she sees tangible reasons why he is deserving and worthy of her respect. That's not real re…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 10:37 PM
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That's not really true either. Even mothers' love for their children is usually conditional, and therefore not really love. It's just a biological thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 10:26 PM
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so for the relationship to work there is an expectation for mutual feelings. No, there is reciprocation of feelings. Expectations have nothing to do with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 10:25 PM
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Than no relationship can be based on love. Well, most aren't. As long as there are any conditions, requirements or standards of any sort, currently or in the beginning, it is transactional. I think you should look up what transactional means.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 10:22 PM
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If you feel like sex is something that women give to men that benefits men and diminishes women, it doesn’t surprise me that you have bad experiences with dating. Did I say this?? That doesn't even make sense. most women don’t see men as a source of money and status. Many unfortunately do. This is nothing like my experience with relationships, I know, that's a why I said in the post that most relationships are transactional and not based on love.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 10:18 PM
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Okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 10:15 PM
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Are you malfunctioning or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 10:14 PM
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So, do you love random people on the street? Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 10:12 PM
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Love is conditional Its actually the opposite of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 03:00 PM
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Reality, and its not an assumption.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 02:27 PM
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That's great, if true. But this doesn't necessarily mean that there is any real love there.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 02:27 PM
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there is no such thing as a true love. In your experience, sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 02:26 PM
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If you’re in a relationship with someone obviously you expect them to also be in love I don't expect anything. Either they love me back or they don't. If they don't, there's no relationship in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 02:25 PM
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I would never date a man that didn't make 6 figures. No surprise there. Its actually the norm for women to be this entitled and superficial, but the truth is there will be no love in that relationship. Not because I want his money. Yeah, right.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 02:22 PM
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Yes I'd expect them to pay more because it's a courtship. This is a parasitic mentality. Very self centered and unattractive. But in a relationship it can be split or 1 of us pay or we take turns. If from the first date you're self centered and entitled, this won't change once you're in a relationship because it's a reflection of your parasitic mentality. You're not suddenly gonna become less egoic in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 02:19 PM
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Then it isn't love.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 02:16 PM
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I'm not sure you read or understood what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 02:16 PM
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kiss your partner and they kiss you back, you can call it a transaction. Okay, let's agree to disagree. You confuse transactions with calculating "what you owe me for doing so and so". This is what transactional means, but never mind, I see you're not getting it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 02:14 PM
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but some are based on love, too. Not if they're transactional.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 02:12 PM
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I don't doubt that most relationships are transactional, that's what the post is about. The point is that it's not love.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 01:19 PM
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Did you copy someone else's comment? Because I literally just read this exact comment from someone else just now. NPCs are malfunctioning these days it seems. Wow.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 01:13 PM
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Yes?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 12:29 PM
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You can purposely misunderstand what I'm saying all you like, but the truth remains that if a woman loves a man, she's not concerned about his money and isn't trying to extract it from him in one way or another. Rent and bills are a different thing, and you know that. If you don't then something is clearly lacking in you psychologically.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 12:28 PM
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No one ever loved someone without getting something out of it - money, affection, mere attention Then it's not really love, that's the point. You’ve been sold a fairy tale. Okay, by who??
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 11:52 AM
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Well yeah, a transaction involves 2 people.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 10:38 AM
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You’re getting those downvotes because you’re simply not realizing that what you’re saying is actually not the truth dude… It is. You’ve provided no explanation for why love isn’t transactional. Isn't it obvious? If you for example get a woman a gift while expecting one in return, the gift you gave wasn't out of love. It was for your own self interest, which isnt love.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 10:36 AM
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If a man genuinely loves a guy, he is not going to be concerned by her body count, or be jealous of her male best friend as long as she assures him and doesn't play games, or whether she has a kid from previous marriage. I think you meant girl not guy but yes, you're correct. And women end up allowing themselves to be used like a sex doll. In exchange for money and free food. It's just a transaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 10:34 AM
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If by your definition, love doesn't have any conditions, then everyone should be able to love everyone equally, Well, they can't because they lack love.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 10:30 AM
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OP must be 12 years old. Totally.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 10:29 AM
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Yes it is love. Objectively speaking, it isn't. All love is transactional… Nope. Then it isn't love. Where are you getting this ridiculous idea that love isn’t transactional? Its not an idea, it's the truth. People's feelings and downvotes don't change the truth. We love people/things based on the joy or pleasure those people/thing give us. Then it's not love. I'm inviting downvotes by saying this but again, it's the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 10:28 AM
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Wow.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 10:25 AM
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No, because that's not love.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 10:24 AM
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This is just some incel doomer nonsense. Right. Saying love isn't transactional is what incels say. Sure. I didn't even bother reading the rest of your comment. What a dumb way to begin a response.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 10:23 AM
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You can love someone based on what they do for you. Yes, but that's not love. Love isn't just chemicals in the brain. It's way beyond that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 09:55 AM
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I’m doing them because I love you. Not because I want you to do it back to me. . Yeah, exactly. Once the expectation to have done back to you comes in, it's no longer love. It's like giving your partner a gift expecting to get one in return. That just turns it into a transaction. And with love also comes wisdom so you'll be able to tell if you're just being used. You wrote a lot in your response, and I agree with most of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 09:39 AM
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Transactional means doing something for someone while expecting something in return. This includes money, but it also goes beyond that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 09:12 AM
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many people define "love" as performing tasks without expecting anything in return. How people define love doesn't mean that's what it actually is. "Performing tasks without expecting anything in return" is an expression of love, but its not love itself. Are you saying the only way a relationship is "real love" in your opinion is if both parties perform tasks they dont want to do for one another, emotionlessly, due solely to obligation? Again, love isn't about performing tasks for someone. It's …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 09:05 AM
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But everyone is loved based under certain conditions. If it's conditional, its not love. If my kids went out to torture animals, steal and bully people, I don't think i'd be able to love them anymore. Then you don't love them in the first place. Love doesn't mean you just let them do whatever they want including harming others. Love, when it comes to children also means holding them responsible for their actions if they harm others. So i guess even a mother's love is transactional if you look at…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 08:56 AM
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The problem is you're approaching this from a very limited perspective. You're still in a transactional mentality. If you stop giving someone what they need The only things people "need" are food, clothes and shelter.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 08:53 AM
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For most people, yes. Not because it doesn't actually exist but because they lack it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 08:41 AM
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Never said any of that. If its actually based on love "cheating" won't happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 08:03 AM
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relationships are always transactional/conditional, no matter how much love exists. If it's conditional and transactional then it isn't love.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 07:59 AM
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What I said applies no matter your definition of love. No, it doesn't because things have an objective meaning. Making up your own doesn't change their real meaning. but anyone who's not a literal teenager and who's not a loner virgin will immediately know that what I said is true. Wow.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 07:41 AM
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It doesn’t make one’s love any less real though. If it's transactional, it's not love. Transactional means expecting something in return, which isnt love.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 07:40 AM
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Every relationship is transactional. I know. That's what I'm saying in the post. The point is such relationships are not based on love.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 07:38 AM
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Things can never be truly equal I know. That's why the post isn't about things being equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 07:37 AM
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"Love" however you define it, Well, no. A sociopath will define it as control and manipulation. That doesn't mean that's what love actually is. Even those who are not concerned with money will still treat the relationship transactionally. I know. That's why I said most relationships are transactional.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 07:36 AM
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Wow. Okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 07:34 AM
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Is that really the point of the whole post, you think? You skipped all the other paragraphs.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 07:27 AM
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No, because that's not love.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 07:10 AM
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Women literally sell themselves in exchange for money and free food.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 05:05 AM
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You said "It's just evolutionary biology, pure and simple. Without it, none of us would be here." So how is it that you yourself don't seek approval from women, if it's just "evolutionary biology"? Saying that implies that you're also a part of it since you're a man influenced by "evolutionary biology". Unless ofcourse you're so much different from other men. It seems like you didn't think your responses through. Hence: Dear Lord. I'm out. Nobody invited you in.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 12:53 PM
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I don't seek approval, So what are you going on about??
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 12:28 PM
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Okay. Have fun seeking approval from women then. I'm sure that they'll definitely respect you for doing so.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 12:10 PM
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Very much yes, that is exactly what I said Well, that's just absurd. I don't seek approval from women and I hook up with them just fine. Even if I didn't, who cares? There's more to life than sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 12:01 PM
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So, in your mind, this is actually a good comparison?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 05:49 AM
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I explained that desperation is what makes men act like simps, they would degrade themselves to get the chance of having sex or a relationship. But this doesn't change anything said in the post.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 05:48 AM
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Should of clarified men have higher levels of testosterone so the dynamic of wanting sex is not equal Testosterone doesn't make men act like simps and seek approval from women. Otherwise celibate monks wouldn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 04:24 AM
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Wow.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 12:58 AM
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Well men are built to procreate And women aren't??
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 12:57 AM
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Yea, that's clearly what happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 12:56 AM
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Seeking approval from women is not a biological need. How do you not see how ridiculous that is??
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 12:55 AM
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but it's also a useless and pointless thing to say. This is a pointless and useless thing to say since it adds nothing to the debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 12:51 PM
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Men dont care about womens approval. Yes, they do. To even fuck or date a woman, a man needs her approval in some way.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 12:50 PM
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Without seeking approval from women humanity wouldn't exist? Did you even read your own comment while typing it? It's so absurd.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 12:05 PM
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You seem to think that to have sex you need to seek women's approval.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 03:09 AM
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No one cares. So why even mention it??
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 03:08 AM
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Who cares?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 03:06 AM
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Males want females to approve them No shit. That's what the post is about. The ones that don’t do that eventually die out. This is a dumb take. Men who don't chase women's approval eventually die out? How do you not see how absurd that is? You don't have chase women's approval to have kids. Also, even if they die out, who gives a shit?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 03:03 AM
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That's so dumb. All species don't survive because men want women's approval. That's so silly.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 02:57 AM
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she can consent to fucking you but still feel unsure of you as a person. classic example, fucking a guy in hopes that he’d stay (he won’t). She still has to approve of him to fuck him, otherwise she wouldn't. It's so obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 02:57 AM
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I’d argue that consent isn’t the same as approval. I didn't say they were the same. No woman willingly has sex with a man she doesn't approve of in some way, unless they're prostitutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 02:47 AM
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That's great, but I never said that YOU had to do any of that. I was addressing someone else, clearly.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 02:44 AM
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Again, if the sex is consensual you still need the woman to approve of you in some way, which is why you stroke their egos so you can get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 02:43 AM
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Do you want me to name a specific guy or something? Wtf, you wouldn't even know anyone I name. This is so dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 02:16 AM
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Why not? It’s an accepted way to externalize control over your own life. What?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 02:10 AM
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Social constructs are part of nature. That's just silly.You need to look up what the word "construct" means.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 02:10 AM
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men are born wanting to simp unless taught otherwise The opposite is actually true. Simping is learned behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 02:01 AM
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No, they put sex on a pedestal. And who do straight men want to have sex with? You can't put pussy on a pedestal without also putting a woman on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 01:59 AM
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I just don't buy this at all. You don't have to buy it for it to be true. It's the same in every culture. That's not true. There are some cultures where things like money and status dont matter when dating. Where do you think people get their ideas of "high value qualities" from?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 01:58 AM
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Keep worshipping women then.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 01:55 AM
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That’s not conditioning. It actually is. That’s lack of thirst at the level men have Multiple things can play a role in something.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 01:25 AM
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what if in my case it involves money ? What if what involves money?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 01:20 AM
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It’s not being a Leech It is. Ofcourse you can't see that because you have that mentality. but if YOU TAKE ME out … you pay ! You brought me here, you invited me There's nothing feminine about this. Adults who accept invites to go out should be okay with paying for their own food. I've had women ask me out, and I still expected to pay for myself because I'm not a parasite.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 01:18 AM
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Your whole post is basically portraying femininity is being a leech. You literally said you pay so that your date can feel like a soft woman and feminine. It's sad that we live in a world where most women don't even know what femininity actually means. It's has nothing to do with men spending money on you. If anything, a truly feminine woman cares enough to at the very least offer to pay for herself. Not expect to be paid for. There's no femininity in that. It's just a gross mentality.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 01:16 AM
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(even tho if you don’t pay for the dates you can’t be my bf💀) This is called being a leech. And its exactly why I split the bill, to weed out the women with a parasitic mentality. Its extremely unattractive no matter how hot a woman is.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 01:03 AM
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Isn’t Femininity and masculinity based on being opposite ? No. Femininity means being open and caring, not being a leech who expects to be paid for just for having boobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 12:57 AM
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That doesn't make it less true.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 04:47 PM
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This is basically what some men are saying in the comments, unironically.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 04:46 PM
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Have you ever met a man in your life? Imagine the first guy that comes into your mind. He's my example.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 04:26 PM
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because I strongly feel like protecting, providing for, and being a strong and wise role model for a woman is a meaningful way to express love, even if she's safe and can make her own money. This just infantalises women. If you're so keen on protecting people, then protect children. According to the FBI, one child goes missing every minute. These are the people that actually need your protection. Not fully grown women who can protect and provide for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 04:25 PM
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which means that the origin of them is likely biological. That's just not true. People can literally be conditioned into being attracted to certain things, which is what has actually happened to women, which is why they seem to be attracted to a small percentage of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 04:22 PM
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Exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 04:16 PM
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Well, have fun basing your sense of self on sex and women's approval. I'm sure that will lead you to happiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 04:15 PM
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Most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 04:14 PM
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But I don't think that can change Ofcourse it can. Status is a social construct. Not something that exists in nature. Men who can attract women obviously have more abilities than men who cannot That's not really true. Attraction doesn't necessarily have anything to do with ability.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 04:13 PM
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its only a means to the end of getting laid. Exactly. So you need it, if you're trying to get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 04:09 PM
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Sex Is a need as a man. That's an absurd thing to say. If it was a need, you would literally die without it. I can't imagine giving away my power by believing that I need physical contact from another human being. It's no wonder why women manipulate men so easily. It's actually sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 04:08 PM
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The guys who get sex without female approval No straight man gets sex without a woman's approval, unless it's rape. Just like no woman gets sex from a guy without some kind of approval from him. The person you have sex with has to approve of you in some way. men want sex. So do women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 04:03 PM
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Sex actually isn't a "need". You're putting yourself at the mercy of women by believing that nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 03:51 PM
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Success with women is a huge status marker for men among other men. Yeah, and that's the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 03:49 PM
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I agree. I've literally heard men say they would rather be with a woman who they know is using them than be single.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 02:08 PM
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Right...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 01:21 PM
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Except it isn't. You only say that coz you're probably who the post is about.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 12:37 PM
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This is the topic you chose to talk about. Not if you actually read the full post.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 12:21 PM
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Do you just ASSUME all women are wearing make-up Most women do. Saying otherwise is beyond ridiculous because even women themselves know that most women wear makeup. And yet here you are, a man claiming most women don't wear something they clearly do. Amazing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 12:16 PM
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Sure you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 12:08 PM
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I'm pretty sure you know what I meant, but now you suddenly you feel like you have to do this for some reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 12:04 PM
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The point you're focusing on takes a few lines out of a post with 3 paragraphs...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 12:01 PM
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Yep. And they don't care. And yet you're here defending such women? You're who the post is about.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 11:55 AM
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30% of the women at the store were wearing visible make-up. Just because its not visible to you doesn't mean they aren't wearing it. Even women in this sub talk about how men always compliment them about how they look great without makeup, while they're actually wearing it. They wash it off when they're home alone with you. No shit. they're wearing it because they either like it, or because they think it's easier to navigate society. You're extremely naive. the Professional World that says women…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 11:53 AM
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women already know this. And they don't care?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 11:36 AM
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You sound like that horrible man on Love is Blind who criticized his fiancé for wearing makeup. I don't know what you're referring to so it means nothing to me. I'm still right about makeup.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 11:33 AM
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And MANY women don't wear make-up. This is a blatant lie. Not sure why you'd even say that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 11:32 AM
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But I didn't?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 08:21 AM
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I don't think that most men care about animal testing That's not the point though, is it? Whether men care or not, the fact still remains that animals are used for testing makeup. To most people, normal everyday makeup doesn't look like "a mask" It does. Only the degree ti which it looks like a mask differs. Really light makeup won't look like a mask but I can still see you're wearing it which to me is a sign of inauthenticity, not that women care about being authentic. Men generally choose wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 06:54 AM
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but it would still be irrational to handicap youself to that extent because of it. You're not handicapping yourself by not catering to women and stroking their egos.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 05:42 AM
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mostly because they have resources You're attracted to their resources, not them. All that stuff about taking care of a family is just the ego justifying being superficial. Lots of women have that self-centered mentality.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 04:31 AM
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l'm not simping Chasing is a form of simping.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 11:41 AM
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But you're saying you don't care about self improvement and will continue simping, so why even comment? Why not just focus on simping?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 11:35 AM
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I'm gonna do what l want which is chase Good for you, I guess. Your opinion doesn't change anything Im not sure what you were hoping to accomplish by commenting in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 11:02 AM
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Lust isn't love.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 09:16 AM
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It's really not that deep It is. You just don't have enough awareness to see it. I don't care about self-improvement Exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 08:07 AM

One would think people who blindly defend each other's shitty behaviours actually like each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 04:53 PM
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Do it 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 04:07 PM
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Looking up what that word means will show you that there are no positive connotations because it's essentially manipulation. Ofcourse it's beneficial for women coz they only care about themselves, but objectively, it's not positive. Luring is essentially bait. Baiting a human being is trash behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 11:16 AM
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There are no good connotations to luring other human beings.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 04:27 AM
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Why do you think that is?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 03:28 AM
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And yet in 2024 when some women even make more money than men they still expect men to pay. It's like no psychological evolution has taken place.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 01:45 AM
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It doesn't really make much sense when you replace the word "women" with "men" because many men care about women as human beings which is what makes it easy for women to manipulate them. For example, no man shows up to a date expecting a woman to pay for him, yet women do that all the time, because they dont care about men they just want to be catered to.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 01:43 AM
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It kinda is true though. Now downvote me.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 01:05 PM
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men prefer women to look good. You don't think women prefer men to look good as well? What planet do you live on?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 12:58 PM
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we don't chase, we lure. You're right. But you should look up what the word "lure" actually means. You spoke more truth than you realise and are willing to acknowledge.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 12:34 PM
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What is this equal rights? 😂 The world doesn't work on paper based rules... Rights aren't paper based rules. Do you think a woman can protect you as much as you can protect her? I don't really care. I don't need protection from women, so why should I care? Or can you look after the child, educate, be patient and caring in the same way as a "woman" who is like that in "nature"? Yes. I can do that better than most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 12:31 PM
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If I only cared about what women can do for me, I would be content with them just being npcs who don't think for themselves because that would make it easier for me to get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 12:29 PM
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The problem is that men and women are not the same... Both should be able to pay for their own meals, otherwise what's the point of equal rights?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 12:24 PM
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Accuse you of doing exactly what he's doing. So you think I'm going on dates expecting women to pay for my meals? That's literally what women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 12:21 PM
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More men than women think men should pay for the first date Which is why Esther Vilar wrote the book 'The Manipulated Man'. Because men have been manipulated to behave like that by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 12:17 PM
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🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 12:16 PM
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But as you interpret it = "I ask a woman out on a date and expect her to pay her share because she's an adult. " O.O I've had women ask me out and I had no problem with paying for my own food. But somehow women do, because they're so "caring".
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 12:15 PM
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It's a "social" thing, you know? So what? That doesn't make it less superficial. Adults should be okay with paying for things they eat.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 12:02 PM
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don’t spend hours thinking and debating about it.. So why bother commenting at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 11:56 AM
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Exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 11:55 AM
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so why should the woman pay? Because they're an adult, supposedly. Imagine for a second that someone invites you to lunch or dinner and expects "you" to pay for the food. How would you feel? I've had women ask to hang out with me, and I paid for myself and had no problem with it because I'm the one who accepted to hang out with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 11:54 AM
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There opinions don’t really matter And yours does?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 11:35 AM
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Women have agency, meaning they can go against the norm if they choose to, and they do when it doesn't benefit them to go along with it
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 11:31 AM
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If a guy was poor and he expected women to pay for him, what would you think of him?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 11:30 AM
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expect a man to pay but I still care about them. If you actually cared about them, you would just pay for yourself and not expect them to pay for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 11:16 AM
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damn do you just mean in this context or in general, that’s a rough generalization either way lol and false if you’re saying that describes 99-100% of men. Most people aren't altruistic, which means most women aren't either, which is evident in their expectations. namely referring to men who feel slightly emasculated by women splitting or paying when said men think they’re not doing what they were born to do These are called idiots.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 10:44 AM
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Men aren't altruistic. So obviously if they prefer to pay for something, it's because they think they'll get something in return for it. Or they're just traditional men, who are just simps.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 10:32 AM
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There's nothing "up" with someone who is expecting a social norm to be followed. There definitely is. Especially if that norm requires them to expect strangers to put them on a pedestal.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 09:27 AM
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Your basis for this is a first date? That was an example, which is also very revealing because if a woman has a problem with paying for her own meal, there's clearly something up with her. Couples who have known each other for a while are more likely to alternate or split. Because the woman knows she gets more in the long run.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 09:15 AM
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Like I said, you can tell yourself whatever you like. But that doesn't change the reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 08:51 AM
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Well, you can tell yourself what you like, but that's exactly what it is. Most men only find that out when they get divorced.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 08:40 AM
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A woman in love will go to Hell and back for you. Its not really love. It just means she's emotionally attached to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 08:27 AM
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You're not disproving the point of the post.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 08:06 AM
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Okay, thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 07:56 AM
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If you are honest with yourself this is about you being rejected by some woman you felt entitled to. It always is. I'm sure that makes you feel better, but its not true. Not that you care. And if you aren’t bothering with women you do not have access to these insights based on observation anyway. Just because I don't chase women doesn't mean I don't talk and hang out with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 07:48 AM
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It applies to most women. You wanted a woman way outside your league and you got rejected or used. It ALWAYS goes back to that. Not really. I don't bother with women anymore, but I still see what's going on in the world and I understand how they think.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 07:44 AM
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Try reading the post again. It's not about "Stacy", it's about women in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 07:39 AM
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Men pay up front to get sex. Then if they don’t get sex they are angry they paid. And yet women allow them to pay for dates knowing this?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 07:37 AM
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If you don't like each other, you won't go on a date, if you are afraid to lose money, don't go on a date. Easy enough. Shouldn't this apply to women who expect men to pay? Or does being a woman exempt them from that? she probably wants to be a stay-at-home-mother Yeah, which is all about her being provided for. The children are just the excuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 07:36 AM
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But i might be manipulated into believing it isn't kind because i was raised without gender roles. No, expecting someone else to spend money on you is never kind, regardless of manipulation. it can feel offensive if a guy wants to pay for the whole date because he might expect sex immediately. That's understandable. But if these women were truly kind, they would be against it not because of the expectation of sex, but because expecting men to spend money on you is trashy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 07:20 AM
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This is how one talks when you're trying to frame yourself as some rational, detached observer when you're actually making an emotionally charged indictment of 50% of the population. Well, whether you like it or not, social programming is very real and it affects almost 99% of people. And there is actually a form of social programming directed at women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 07:17 AM
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Same what you said is is comments under bear posts. I don't think you'll agree that it makes "men are rapists" correct. I'm not sure what you're referring to.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 07:15 AM
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he feels that women in my country are manipulated by our equalitarian culture when he sees them carrying heavy groceries with their boyfriend walking next to him I rest my case. Both men and women seem to be raised to be kind and caring to the other gender Is it really kind and caring to expect someone to spend money on you just because they have a penis?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 07:14 AM
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Also it assumes all/absolute majority have the same worldview that makes them compatable with "not caring about men" nurture. The majority do have the same mentality. If they didn't, many other men wouldn't be able to relate to this post.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 07:06 AM
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Well, he explained to me that in Italy that is called a true masculine man, and that men who cannot or do not want to pay for a date are deemed losers in his country. That's what is meant by "manipulation". So, Ester Vilar is a feminist, right? I have read the book, felt like she kinda hated herself The book isn't about her, so why would it mean she hates herself? She was just sick of women exploiting men while acting like they're victims.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 07:03 AM
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He said that as a man he should be able to pay for dates, that is how to show a woman he is interested in that he might be worth her time. By suggesting to pay half it made him feel like a lesser man. Because he is what Esther Vilar called "a manipulated man". A real man won't feel like less of a man simply because he allowed another adult to pay for their own food, obviously.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 06:57 AM
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Sounds just like another misogynistic post. I must be terrible at being misogynistic since I'm saying it's nurture rather than nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 06:51 AM
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Actually splitting the bill is a good test. I agree. But why do you think most men dont do this? Because they know this limits the amount of women they have a chance with. This is the unfortunate reality we live in.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 06:39 AM
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Yeah, but when it comes to intimate relationships as a man, you would expect that not to be the case, hence the post.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 06:25 AM
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how are you gonna get a girl without dating ffs I'm not interested in getting a girl, that's the point. How did you miss it if you actually read the post?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 11:43 PM
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Sounds like someone has been burned recently and has a broken heart…so he’s making generalizations about all women. So what's your explanation for the quote by Esther Vilar, if im only saying what's in the post because of what you say? Did she also have a broken heart??
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 02:25 PM
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About 70% of women prefer a men with more financial resources, that means some women don't prefer that. Who cares? I couldn't care less what women prefer. I guarantee you they don't care what you prefer either.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 01:25 AM
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Ladies expect the man to be a man (a provider). Being a man has nothing to do with providing for another adult. You've been manipulated, and apparently, your wife doesn't even value you as a human being. She requires payment, according to your own words. Thats not a real partner, thats a leech.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 01:20 AM
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Okay, thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 11:58 PM
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Being alone is only a problem if you're dependent on other people to make you happy. Which will make you very easy to manipulate and control.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 11:35 PM
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Your mistake is assuming my opinion is based on tik tok, which I don't even have. Making your whole comment meaningless.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 11:32 PM
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That says alot about how she sees you. Thats sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 11:30 PM
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Plenty of people with jobs don't make enough money. Doesn't mean you'll be better off living under a bridge. Really? Only force the woman to pay for the meal if you want to shoot yourself in the foot. It's very odd that you see letting an adult pay for food that's going into her own mouth as forcing her. Well, keep simping in the hopes of getting sex and validation. Good luck. I guess that's what being a "redpill man" means these days. You should read the book 'The Manipulated Man' by Esther Vil…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 11:23 PM
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Tell that to men who pay for dates and expect sex in return. I don't do either of those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 05:22 PM
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You should read the post again. But read to understand what is being said, not just to respond.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 05:21 PM
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like you’re telling us what women do. Yeah, and I'm saying men shouldn't cater to women or base their behaviour off what women say and do. The same applies to women. Men whine about paying IF they don’t end up getting laid. Since its become a transaction, ofcourse when a man pays he's gonna expect to get something in return. It's basic psychology.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 05:20 PM
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Then why are you whining about entitled women who won’t fuck you? I'm not.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 05:17 PM
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Why would you listen to idiots? When you hang out with your friends and pay for your own food, is that masculine? Masculinity and femininity have nothing to do with paying for food going into your own mouth.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 05:10 PM
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I don't 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 05:07 PM
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I'm not. Read the post, or even just the title.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 05:06 PM
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Already most women will be put off by this Who cares? you are a staunch atheist No, im not.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 04:44 PM
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Well, keep jumping through hoops and playing that game then.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 04:08 PM
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It's like saying "one of the best thing workers can do for their sanity is to walk away from work" No, it isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 03:53 PM

Are you describing yourself? Is that what this is about?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 03:52 PM
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You’re the one who admits he only wants the top 5-10% of women. When did I say this?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 02:45 PM
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I'm not sure why you ask disingenuous questions. Like I said, downvote and move on if you don't understand what to debate. Besides, you already you agree with the post so...🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 02:37 PM
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That's the utterly confusing part here. This is a debate sub. It's the place to discuss these ideas. If you're not interested, downvote and move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 02:30 PM
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Okay, whatever you say 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 02:29 PM
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I didn’t downvote. Screenshot I didn't say you did. I said I wonder which genius did. In fact, you likely downvoted me. I've literally never downvoted a post or a comment since I've been on reddit. I don't see the point. Attractive women are premium. This is a strange way to view human beings. Meat is premium, not people.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 02:27 PM
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Like I said before, thanks for proving my point. Walking away from people with this weird mentality is the best thing men can do. If you want someone young, hot, and fit, prepare to pay a premium. No thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 02:23 PM
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Your 2 paragraphs can’t hand wave away the root of behaviors and thoughts Which is what? I think you're confused and probably didn't understand what you read.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 02:22 PM
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I don't really understand what point you're making. I was just pointing out that my opinion isn't based on tik tok videos like you were implying 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 02:20 PM
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without this co-dependency our world would end. That's not even true.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 02:11 PM
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Sure, okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 02:11 PM
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(Though I don't base my opinions on vapid TikTok videos.) Neither do I. It was an example to illustrate a point.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 02:09 PM
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Why would anyone date someone they find unattractive? Just think about it for a second. Edit: I wonder which genius downvoted this comment, and yet didn't answer the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 02:00 PM
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This is why I asked if you read the whole post. The last 2 paragraphs address this.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 01:47 PM
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This has nothing to do with meditation You said to look within. That's what meditation is.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 01:43 PM
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And what you forget is i can make observations about women too Then do it. but I know lots of women and they aren't like what you described. Sure they aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 01:41 PM
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Then why don’t you date them? Because I'm not attracted to them. That doesn't mean there's anything wrong with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 01:40 PM
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And you decided to ignore the thing that causes the entire situation, Which is what?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 01:38 PM
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Proving what point? Read the post and find out. What’s wrong with middle aged, unattractive, perimenopausal women? Nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 01:37 PM
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You obviously think very little of women No, I'm just making observations of their behaviour and mentality. It's not my fault if their behaviour and mentality tends to be on the negative side.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 01:36 PM
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Thank you for proving the point of my post.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 01:30 PM
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Did you read the whole post?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 01:24 PM
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Good one.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 01:23 PM
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Your choice of women, sure. No, women in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 01:23 PM
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This is just narcissism. they are paying for our time Why do you need to be paid for your time in interpersonal relationships? Might as well become a prostitute. We are giving them a portion of our youth, beauty, and fertility. No you're not. This is just absurd. It just further proves the point of my post. No sane man wants to date a woman who requires payment because she's "giving" him her youth. That's nonsense. Its like you didn't even read the post because your comment is just encouragement…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 01:20 PM
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If that's what you think you need to look within. It has nothing to do with looking within. I meditate very often. Obviously if a relationship is transactional and there's entitlement, nothing good will come out of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 01:16 PM
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Men and women are better together. Not when one party is entitled and uses the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 01:07 PM
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If you really feel like dating women is drama, It actually is for many men and also many women actually are parasitic. I even linked a video as an example. Also, some women even get bored without drama in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 01:04 PM
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Men in relationships report being more calm and relaxed and they live longer. Sure they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 12:53 PM
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This is not the path to happiness. And chasing women is? You must be joking. The MGTOW approach greatly empowers women. Suddenly they can take your resources and never have to deal with you. This makes no sense if you actually know what MGTOW is.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 12:52 PM

It seems like you've never heard of punctuation.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 12:48 PM
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Dating? Sorry, but that's a difficulty that men need to learn to engage with. Nobody "needs" to engage with dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 12:40 PM
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Simps are gonna simp. It's the way of the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 12:31 PM
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I’m not “dependent” on anyone, If you think life without women/sex isn't worth living, then you're clearly dependent on women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 12:30 PM
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Sounds like you're dependent on women. This makes it easy for them to manipulate you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 12:24 PM
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Okay, thanks for the advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 12:22 PM
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Sure, okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 11:35 AM
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I like how you ignored everything else in the post and only addressed one sentence out of 3 paragraphs.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 11:32 AM
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Okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 11:31 AM
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What attitude? Not wanting to be used by entitled women and catering to them?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 11:30 AM
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But also, they don't wear makeup for men, but you must pay for it anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 11:21 AM

Hahahah wow. You didn't even finish your sentence.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 11:17 AM
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If you want a healthy mind you need your own family. This is not true. Many married people with families are unhappy. The man should always pay for dates. No, he shouldn't. A woman should be an adult and pay for her own food. It's no wonder women can manipulate men so easily. If you believe you must pay for a woman's food, you're a simp and are setting yourself up to be used.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 11:16 AM
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I think one of the best things men can do for their sanity is to delete TikTok so they stop getting all their shitty ideas from the app. Women in real life actually have that mentality. I don't even have TikTok; I just came across this video on reddit and it lined up with my experience. Also, the people on TikTok exist in real life. You're just letting yourself be brainwashed by internet rage bait. No, I've met women who actually have this mentality. But ofcourse you have to defend women you don…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 11:10 AM

Your comment reminds me of a book someone recommended to me the other day called 'Woman's Inhumanity To Woman' by Phylis Chesler. And its amazing how the women commenting are acting like the idea of women wanting to be led by men is unheard of, and they don't even address the other points raised in the post.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 10:36 AM

And also the no-trad ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 09:04 AM

A bit of a difference but hardly a master/slave dynamic. Obviously it goes beyond paying for dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 08:49 AM

It's not a small minority and the being led part isn't even the main point of the post.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 08:42 AM

I have never heard an actual woman say they want to be lead, That doesn't mean they don't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 08:37 AM

Also, what's this weird obsession with men "leading"? Thats a question you should ask women, especially the "traditional" type, which is alot of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 08:31 AM

I don't know any women like this. That must mean they don't exist, and yet Esther Vilar wrote about them in the 70s and men talk about them today, which is way many are walking away from dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 08:05 AM

From women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 07:52 AM

I guess we can pretend they don't exist, if you like.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 07:52 AM

I'm an atheist so anything religious doesn't appeal to me. That doesn't mean many women aren't religious. And even those who aren't still want a man to lead and provide and take responsibility for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 07:51 AM

Well, they exist. Many of them are the "traditional" and religious type. But some of those who aren't still want the man to lead and therefore take responsibility for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 07:49 AM

I'm not sure why you're acting like you've never heard the idea that some women want to be led by men. Even religious books talk about this, and that's where the idea actually comes from and many women have bought into it. Pretending otherwise is just disingenuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 07:45 AM

How? Just do a simple google search and you'll come across them. It's disingenuous to pretend like such women don't exist, many of them are the "traditional" type.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 07:42 AM

Men can’t and aren’t protecting women from anything. And yet many women still say a man's role is to protect them 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 07:39 AM
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I am a biologist with a PhD from research on evolutionary adaptations to urban environments Oh okay, I guess that means you understand what Darwin (who was a rascist) meant by the word 'race'.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 09:53 AM
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So what's your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 09:49 AM
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How tf are you so wrong about nearly everything you talk about on here? Maybe I'm not and you're just ignorant 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 06:07 PM
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Again, race is not used and understood in the sense we use it today. How do you know what he meant by "race"? Have you actually read any of his books?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 04:08 PM
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The term "race" in the title does not refer to human races as we understand them today, but rather to variations within species. And you know this because he told told you? Instead of defending a racist, you might wanna learn more about him and his views: https://evolutionnews.org/2022/02/the-racism-of-darwin-and-darwinism/ Here's a quote from one of his books 'The Descent of Man' (1871), where he claimed, “At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 03:42 PM
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maybe start with Darwin, The full title of Darwin's book is 'On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life.' That's not a guy you wanna base your perspective on, unless you wanna go down the same rascist path he was on.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 02:35 PM
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Who people are attracted to has nothing to do with evolution.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 02:32 PM
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course some disabled men reproduce, Exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 02:31 PM
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Remember each man can impregnate many women and any given woman can only be pregnant with at most 2 children at once and only one pregnancy per 12 months (plus 5 months to even get pregnant). So even if womens' collective goal was to maximise reproduction, only a very small ratio of men to women would be needed. None of this has any bearing on reality. It's basically just nonsense. I don't think we understand nature well enough to ascribe a main concern or teleology to it, I don't disagree that …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 01:17 PM
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Yes they do. I believe you. Which is why I now have philosophical discussions with animals. Wow, just because we found a way to prevent having kids on the last 100 years, Why would we do that? People only have sex to have kids, remember? So what's the need for condoms and birth control?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 12:17 PM
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They totally do. Animals have reason and logic? Sure, okay. Yes they do. You're right. It's not like condoms exist or anything. People only have sex to reproduce. Totally.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 12:09 PM
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Is that not what you said? Re-read the comment you're referring to to see what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 07:14 AM
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According to you, sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 06:51 AM
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to support my claim that everything is social conditioning i'll only cite the guy chiefly known for claiming that everything is social conditoning Okay?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 04:12 AM
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"this general tendency in behavior isnt real because sometimes there are exceptions" These are your words, not mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 04:12 AM
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That's your opinion, chief.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 02:38 AM
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And no, it’s not basic biology that our personality is shaped completely by nurture… I said it's basic psychology... I’m not going to keep arguing with someone clinging to one irrelevant quote from a guy that isn’t even an authority figure on the subjects of evolution, human mating or biology. Then don't. It's not like I asked you to engage with my post 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 02:34 AM
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Most of our behavior is not due to “nuture”. It actually is. This is basic psychology. you aren’t as knowledgeable on these subjects as you seem to think you are. I studied both psychology and counselling and I've read alot about about this topic. Here's a quote from 'the father of PR' who created propaganda that got women to start smoking: “We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of.” - Edward Bernays What do you think "o…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 02:07 AM
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That's dumb. Human behaviour is mostly due to nurture (conditioning), not nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 01:58 AM
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and are simply struggling to cope with the harsher realities of the mating game for men. If this were the case I would be complaining about how women are only attracted to a small amount of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 01:55 AM
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All sex and relationships across all animal kingdoms have to do with what's evolutionary beneficial, that's just part of the natural selection. That's ridiculous, especially considering people don't just have sex to have kids. For example, male birds with lots of colors are attractive to female birds, because they obviously display healthy gene attributes. Animals also don't have the ability to use reason and logic, so everything they do doesn't reflect on humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 01:43 AM
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Your only argument is basically just “na ah. I don’t like that theory so it’s nonsense🤮”. You didn't actually read the post. Also, it's called a theory for a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 01:41 AM
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I'm not sure how you can say this when women on this sub will openly say that they are attracted to a very small number of men when they are asked Again, I discussed this in the post. "We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, and our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of…. It is they who pull the wires that control the public mind." - Edward Bernays, who most definitely knew what he was talking about. Look him up.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 01:26 AM
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Well, it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 01:17 AM
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so I'm not sure how it could be considered "nonsense". Did you read the post or just the title? I explain in the post what I mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 01:13 AM
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You should read the post, I explained why that is.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 01:12 AM
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so I don’t see any “points”. You might be blind then.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 12:59 AM
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They do. All of them?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 12:59 AM
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they can pick the men the reproduce with. This doesn't change any of the points made.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 12:57 AM
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It's called sarcasm.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 12:56 AM
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You weren't kidding.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 12:44 AM
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Not all of them, all the time. And even when they do, I can guarantee you that they're not doing it for evolutionary benefits or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 12:43 AM
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Okay, good debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 12:36 AM
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Yes. Most women and people in general know nothing about themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 12:30 AM
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No, I don't put faith into any academics. Nobody I quoted is an academic.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 12:20 AM
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Academic studies aren't the best source of information about women's sex drives.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 12:19 AM
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they should also understand that the weak don’t get to reproduce This isn't even remotely true. Society is full of weak people.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 12:18 AM
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They rationally analyse empirical studies This doesn't mean they understand sex or women. It just means they're nerds.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 12:15 AM
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Guess the academics can pack up and go home. Academics know nothing about sex and women, which is why they're academics.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 12:08 AM
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Because they don't. Nobody hooks up with someone while thinking about what's beneficial to evolution, that's nonsensical.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 12:04 AM
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Relationships and sex have nothing to do with what's "evolutionary benefitial."
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 12:02 AM
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Nature doesn't give a fuck about less or more reproduction Ofcourse it does. That's the whole point of it, hence the animal kingdom.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 12:01 AM
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They need to be attracted to the fittest, strongest men with the best genes. This is all evolutionary nonsense. If it were true, disabled men would never have partners or get married, and yet they do. And many marry women who aren't disabled.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 11:59 PM
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Not really Well, whether you wanna acknowledge it or not, that's the reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 02:10 PM
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When I see a woman genuinely trying to put in effort during our interactions and make sure we both have a good time it makes me want to pay regardless. Maybe so. But on some level you also know that if you don't pay you might not get a second date.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 11:19 AM
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. I believe you and you've totally changed my mind I don't need you to believe me and I wasn't trying to change your mind. I only responded to you because you commented on my post.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 04:57 AM
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these are all ways to get her into bed. Yeah, and they're also ways to show interest. It's up to you to use your intuition to see what the guy's intentions are. But thinking payment means he likes you is just laughably stupid. women equally can show this interest during the duration of the dinner so she can get free dinner. Which is why intelligent men split the bill. It's an easy way to weed out the prostitutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 04:52 AM
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then what are ways men show they like a girl on a date? Paying attention to her, asking her about herself, being present and so on. Same way women show interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 04:47 AM
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shows you really like her No it doesn't. Men pay just to increase their chances of getting laid, but most women are so dumb that they think a man paying means he likes them. if you wanna call it prostitution go for it. It literally is prostitution. Whether I call it that or not won't change the fact that that's what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 04:41 AM
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They get laid because they pay for it. If they understood women, they wouldn't be traditional men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 04:29 AM
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No it isn't. Many women have babies with trashy men just to get alimony or a provider, which also makes them trashy people.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 03:56 AM
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Women act entitled to have their date paid for the same way men act entitled to fucking on the first date. Yeah, because they paid. Like I said in the post, if you expect payment, you're no different than a prostitute. if sex is the main goal, you better pay, especially if you're not Chad. This is literally what prostitution is. There's nothing wrong with being a prostitute, but atleast be honest about it and don't pretend to be a respectable and authentic woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 03:53 AM
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If being a stay at home parent was hard, women wouldn't choose to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 02:50 AM
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You’re mad because you can’t get it easy and for free Sex between two people who love each other is free and easy. Your comment just reveals that you're no different to a prostitute since you think men should pay you for sex. Gross. Atleast be an honest prostitute and accept what you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 02:48 AM
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It's not me saying so. That's literally what prostitution is 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 02:38 AM
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If she uses you, she obviously doesn't love you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 02:03 AM
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But enough men are still likely going to pay because men are that desperate. Okay, but this doesn't answer my question. How is a woman not stingy for expecting random men to pay for her meal? So, in your mind, unemployed women shouldn't date until they find jobs? Whatever applies to unemployed men applies to unemployed women. I told you why the behavior exists in nature. Nature didn't make women incapable of paying for their own meals and being independent. In fact, there is nowhere in nature wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 11:30 PM
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What you're describing is called prostitution.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 11:07 PM
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I'd certainly be more likely to show my appreciation for a generous man than one who seems stingy. If a man splitting the bill makes him stingy, what is a woman who expects random men to pay for her food? Does that make her generous? This is why men who are hoping for affection from women continue to pay This is called prostitution. when everyone knows that men and women are not the same and therefore things are not going to be fair. Because men allow them to not be fair. I mean just look at you…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 10:27 PM
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he would be a woman who wants a real man. Being a real man has nothing to do with money and paying for dates. Wake up. Traditional men are such simps it's pathetic. You define your masculinity by spending money on women, thats why its so easy for women to manipulate you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 10:20 PM
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It’s always the guys with nothing to offer who are so terrified of being “used.” That's so dumb. Nobody with self respect likes being used. But ofcourse a traditional man doesn't mind being used because such men are simps and understand very little about how women think.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 10:19 PM
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You are denying science and reality That's so dumb. Science has nothing to do with who pays on a date. In some countries this isn't even an issue because it's the norm for women to pay for themselves. It is usually men who want sex with women more than the other way around. This says more about you than anything else. If I were a woman and a man made me split a date that he asked me out on, that would be the last date and there would not be sex. Then you would be a vapid and basic bitch.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 03:16 PM
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He shouldn't be asking out women for dates if he can't pay. And she shouldn't be accepting date invitations if she can't pay for herself. You sound like the kind of men this post is about.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 03:10 PM
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What does 80% have to do with anything here? It has to do with the word "most" and "many" being interchangeable. Are you even aware of what post you're responding to? The gorup you are talking about in your OP is definetly not a majority I disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 03:08 PM
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Okay, who cares? I can see that what I'm saying in the post is actually true, otherwise semantics wouldn't come into it. If 80%+ of people in a particular group engage in a particular behaviour to me the words "most" and the word "many" can be used to describe them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 03:00 PM
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Oh I see you're a "traditional man", makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 02:56 PM
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According to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 02:44 PM
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How is a woman being used for sex if she gets free food out of a date?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 02:17 PM
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Okay?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 12:53 PM
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Most, many, same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 12:24 PM
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I don't think that these women should be expected to split a date. That is so dumb. So if a man makes less than a woman he should expect her to pay?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 12:23 PM
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What are you talking about? I'm talking about how many women expect men to pay for dates and provide for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 12:21 PM
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Yea most of the women that you keep picking No, most women in the world in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 10:12 AM
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You have no idea how a vastbmajority of the female population behaves. I do though. Most of them behave the same. Those girls are gonna what they wanna do Obviously. I'm just pointing out that many women are like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 10:11 AM
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Well the more you affirm it, the more the universe will deliver that to you. The sad truth is most women are as described in the post. And many men know this. Every negative belief you have about women Its not my belief that some women use men for resources. Its a reality and has been the case for hundreds of years
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 10:03 AM
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But women in general aren't all like how you're generalizing. In my experience(and in the experience of many men) they are. Other ladies are more down to earth. Find them Well, my whole point is it's rare to come across women like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 09:49 AM
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If you read the first paragraph of the post you'll see that I've already mentioned this.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 09:17 AM
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when your experience is every man you’ve dated has always offered to pay, it can feel like someone isn’t really interested in you if they don’t. The thing is most men only offer to pay because they know not paying lowers their chances of getting a second date or even getting laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 08:44 AM
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Validation is cheap and women don’t need to seek it The post is about men seeking validation, not women. You should reread it. and sex with a man she doesn’t care about is likely to be terrible and not with the risks associated with sex. Again, the post is about men seeking sex from women, not the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 08:42 AM
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If you are going after top % women who have tons of choices, obviously they will be entitled. The post is about women in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 07:13 AM
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Most men allow themselves to be used by women HOPING to get sex and validation in return. Good point.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 06:26 AM
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Why? So she can use him for it. That's the reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 03:43 PM
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And courtship is a back and forth. So you chase her, and she let's you catch her? Thats your back and forth?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 06:41 PM
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It’s how humans work. No, it isn't. Not all men need to chase women to get their attention. Grown adults with self respect don't chase other human beings because they understand that women are just human beings, no need to chase them like they're some prize.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 02:49 AM
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Besides, it’s fun when you chase her - and she lets you catch her If you're still children, sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 01:22 AM
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Your entire comment is basically saying "it's not women's fault, they're not responsible for their actions". The industry creates insecurities in women so that they can be exploited for financial gain. Yeah, it's all the industry's fault. Essentially the villain here is capitalism. Yeah, it's all capitalism's fault. Its like you can't acknowledge that women aren't perfect angels or something, so you have to work overtime to defend their image.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 01:16 AM
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Agreed
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 05:37 PM
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Why would anyone, regardless of gender marry someone they're not even attracted to enough to have sex with them? Can you answer that?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 05:37 PM
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That's silly.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 05:36 PM
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Yeah, but if you're not as described in the post, what's there to debate? You can say other women aren't like that, but if you don't date women, how would you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 03:21 PM
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I actually didn't. Because you're obviously a Chad with better stuff to do, so go do it. You don't need to waste your time here.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 02:37 PM
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What?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 10:53 AM
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If those women are telling the truth, then this post isn't about them, so what's the issue?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 10:52 AM
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I never said they couldn't. You should read the post again. When they get older, pure attraction based on who the man is goes to the back seat and resources and being provided for come to the front.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 10:05 AM
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You were just talking out your butt, weren't you?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 03:29 AM
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Human beings have skills that are valuable and take time Like wearing make up and doing your hair? Women value men who value us. And you think men are any different? Money is just one of many different ways of expressing that. It's the main way for women, as evidenced by your comment. Because women can get dinner themselves more cost effectively than that. And yet they choose to beggars on dates. go for something lower in quality. So if a man doesn't want to buy you food, he should go for "somet…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 03:26 AM
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How? Please explain.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 03:04 AM
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and can pay for my own dinner But you choose not to when a man is involved, proving Esther Vilar right.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 03:01 AM
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Was Esther Vilar money coping when she wrote those quotes?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 03:00 AM
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That’s like saying “well I didn’t tell you to spend time and do quality work when installing my bathroom shower, why are you charging more than an apprentice?” Are you an object or a human being? It's odd that you want compensation for taking care of yourself. If you had self awareness and if you had actually read the post you're responding to, you'd realise that you're basically proving that Esther Vilar was right about you. You don't value men, you value extracting things from them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 02:59 AM
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It can also refer to time and effort Yeah, but money comes first. Be honest. That's all you care about.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 02:56 AM
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They kinda are. It's very rare to come across a unique woman who thinks outside the box.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 02:52 AM
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So why expect compensation for something you're not being forced to do? You choose to wear makeup and spend ages getting ready, and you want men to pay because it took you ages to get ready. That's absurd.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 02:48 AM
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In other words, Esther Vilar was right about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 02:44 AM
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Your entire premise is based on discussions had in dating forums dominated by single men No, its based on what another woman wrote in a book and my own experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 02:39 AM
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You're really working over time to be a white knight.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 02:38 AM
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I've never even hugged a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 02:37 AM
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It’s not about money It clearly is. You even said it's about financial investment in one of your comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 02:36 AM
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You realise that the post isn't about you specifically, right? If it's not describing you and your behaviour, what's the problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 02:27 AM
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They expect men to do it because women invest more time and energy in getting ready for the date. Who is forcing them to do this?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 02:24 AM
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In other words, Esther Vilar was right. Thanks for proving my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 02:23 AM
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I'm not sure what planet you live on. But on earth that's literally what happens. It's just that two men do it indirectly. Getting straight cash would make it too obvious that they're prostitutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 02:23 AM
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The time when nobody has any money of their own, There's your answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 02:19 AM
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Women kind of are though.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 02:17 AM
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That's for you to figure out.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 02:16 AM
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That sucks. It sounds like you might be better off being single.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 02:11 AM
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You should read the post again.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 02:10 AM
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Even women who out earn men still expect men to pay for their stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 02:09 AM
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Women can buy their own dinner though And yet they still expect men to do it. That's how amazing and generous they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 02:08 AM
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This is a long-winded way of saying Esther Vilar was right.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 02:08 AM
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If women care about men courting or even be a provider by paying for dates, it doesn’t mean she only cares about using him. It kinda does.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 02:06 AM
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That's a terrible comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 02:05 AM
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Thanks for sharing your opinion. I didnt ask for it, but still, thanks for sharing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 02:04 AM
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money is like plan Z More like plan A,B and C for most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 02:04 AM
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I think you should read your comment again and see if it makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 02:03 AM
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In other words, Esther Vilar was right.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 02:01 AM
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There are loads of women on this thread, giving details about how they earn more in relationships and pay for more, yet you ignore them. There is a reason why men into the whole redpill thing say "watch what she does not what she says". Women will say anything to make themselves look good.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 01:34 AM
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Read the post again and you'll see that you're only proving it right. May as well just leave a comment saying "Esther Vilar was right about women".
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 01:31 AM
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Chasing and trying to impress women are what men have been doing for as long as we’ve been human So what? Men are suckers. It's no wonder how women can use you and manipulate you so easily. You're so eager to put women on a pedestal.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 03:12 PM
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Makeup doing ur hair and perfume arent hygiene So you want compensation for it? no one wants to go on a date w someone who looks like they just woke up So do you compensate the men you go on dates with for not looking like they just woke up? Your comment is more proof of how right Esther Vilar was about women. Truly amazing, with no hint of self awareness.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 03:08 PM
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Men are suckers.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 01:41 PM
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Some do Okay, as long we've established that theres atleast some truth to what Esther Vilar wrote.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 01:15 PM
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they don’t actually need men to “provide” Many women still want a provider. I hope the emojis made you feel better.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 01:11 PM
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expect the man to pay for me after i took so much time to look good for him hair makeup perfume etc r expensive This is pretty silly. Just don't go on the date if you expect to be compensated for being hygienic and taking care of yourself. Nobody even asks you to wear makeup.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 12:28 PM
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'The Manipulated Man'.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 12:01 PM
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You seem strangely invested in the life of this woman Because I mentioned she received death threats? Okay...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 12:01 PM
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You sound like the women who sent her death threats after she wrote her book.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 11:19 AM
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You only call her a sociopath coz she triggers you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 11:13 AM
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And yet you're the one commenting on my post. Why waste your time on it?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 11:06 AM
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You just discovered that obscure book No, I discovered it a while ago. Now what?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 11:05 AM
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Do you think it's possible that my view is based on my own experience and I resonate with what she wrote because of that?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 11:00 AM
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I'm pretty sure she never gassed millions of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 10:53 AM
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Thanks for proving the point of my post.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 07:33 AM
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What does expecting a man to pay for your food say about your generosity and ability to give?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 07:27 AM
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Not any woman I know Do you date women?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 07:20 AM
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I expect the guy to pay for dates initially when we aren't in a relationship yet. Exactly. If it were genuine and not about using the man as a means to an end, you wouldn't expect him to pay for you. You'd be fine paying for your own food because you'd be interested in him, not free food.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 07:19 AM

Maybe to you those things are secondary No. To most women they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 07:11 AM
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The truth is the opposite, it's women who act as leeches, which is why they expect men to pay for dates and so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 07:10 AM
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I literally quoted a woman saying the same thing in the post, and she wrote that before I was even born, but sure, okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 07:09 AM
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This is BS most women work now. And yet they still want a provider...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 07:05 AM
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Projection. What?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 07:02 AM

All those things are secondary to money. Remove the money and women couldn't care less about a man's intelligence, humour and whatever else you mentioned.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 07:01 AM

Who would collect this data and how?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 07:00 AM

You hear anecdotes It's more than just anecdotes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 06:42 AM
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No, using people is what makes someone a bad person. It's not arrogant for me to tell you that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/24 03:42 AM
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Women just don’t want to waste their time Which us why they show up to the date? but at least u can make a man pay for date…Use them before they use you This makes you a bad person.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/24 03:31 AM
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LOL not even once jabbed. Atleast you have a functioning brain. Can you even figure out what side you're on? I don't even know what this means.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/24 03:26 AM
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What do men bring to the table besides their dicks? At the least, they bring money to pay for their own food, unlike most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/24 03:24 AM
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Says the one who's probably triple jabbed.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/24 03:24 AM
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What? Are you one of the idiots?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 10:39 PM
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Do you think upvotes don't indicate that atleast some people want hear what I'm saying? Use your brain a bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 10:04 PM
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All relationships are built on compromise and tradeoffs: I cook, you do the dishes. I had to work overtime tonight, you pick up the kids from school. I have a high stress, high paying job that supports us, you handle the home. So your relationships are transactions? Whether the above can be described as a transaction I'm not sure without looking up the definition You should probably look up the definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 03:24 PM
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Are your relationships a transaction?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 03:17 PM
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Do you not see how your hatred of stay at home moms only reflects what you want? The problem is people who have kids don't actually consider what kind of world they're bringing kids in. Did you know that according to the FBI, there's a child that goes missing every 45 seconds? What sane person would bring a child into a world like that? You have no choice but to pay taxes to a government that uses your money to bomb innocent kids in Gaza, and yet you wanna bring children into a world like that. …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 01:18 PM
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Do you date women? If not, it makes sense why your experience doesn't match them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 01:02 PM
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You have a grudge against women. I actually don't. The thing is I know what women could actually be if they were independent and not concerned about extracting resources from men. I know their potential, and I know what the narcissism is leading them into. I want a man who can and will provide and values what a homemaker does. If I have kids, I want to have the option to stay at home and a husband who respects and admirers the role of a SAHM. Do you see how all of this is about you and what you …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 12:52 PM
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Do you believe homemakers are leeches? Yes. Because their home-making is a way of finding a provider. Read how angry you are about paying for the first few dates. Look Calling women who use men for free food leeches doesn't mean I'm angry. It's just the truth. If they can’t afford meals Like someone who expects others to pay for their meal? Clearly, I am right that men who have issues with paying for the first few dates have a grudge against women. You're just proving the point of the post. Its …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 12:37 PM
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It’s not being a leech to have a guy pay for a $40 meal. It is. A leech takes without giving anything back. If he offers that's a different issue. But to expect him to pay and having your feelings about him be dependent on payment makes you a leech. Do you believe homemakers are leeches? This has no bearing on going on a date with a guy. As an adult, you should be able and okay with paying for your own food. I don't see how women aren't embarrassed about depending on random men for food. Maybe t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 12:24 PM
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Do women bring more to the table besides sex? If so, what? Also, the post is about women, not men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 10:57 AM
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What you mean by "chivalry" is a man paying for stuff and basically putting you on a pedestal. This is a self centred and egoic desire. You may be able to like the man, but you won't be able to love because love has nothing to do with what you want from another person. Love gives, it doesn't insist on taking. If you loved someone, you wouldn't be so concerned about yourself and what you want from them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 08:28 AM
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I couldn't care less if you think I'm a bad person. I don't expect you to, and it's not an opinion. The post already mentions that people who do what you do are not good people. So it's not a personal insult; I mentioned it in the post before you even left a comment. So it's not personal, it's just the truth. I'm here for a debate Yet you're not able to address anything in the post. All your response does is prove the post correct. You even start off your comment by saying you're special. And th…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 08:10 AM
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Still doesn't address any of the points I made in response to your comment. Because you know I'm right. Using men for free food on dates makes you a bad person.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 07:53 AM
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It's so sad that I live in your head like this. I responded to a comment you made on a post I made. What are you on about? Why comment on it if you don't expect me to respond?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 07:50 AM
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AKA women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 07:45 AM
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And yet women in this thread are literally proving the post right by calling themselves special and saying a man who doesn't pay for them is broke...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 07:44 AM
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I could also argue that women who are lovable don't attract abusive partners... Do you agree with that? It seems you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 07:42 AM
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I am special and should be treated as such. What makes you special? I'm perfectly capable of paying for my own food but I expect men to pay on the first date because chivalry is attractive. You're literally proving the point of the post. Being this kind of leech actually makes you a bad person. You can genuinely care about a man Not if you're using him for free food and ego strokes. You don't actually care about men you date. You just use them. You care about them in the way a parasite cares abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 07:38 AM
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The comments and upvotes beg to differ. Even you gave your attention to the post and left a comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 07:30 AM
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You don't have to agree with something for it to be true. Just read the comments by women in this thread, they're disagreeing with the post while saying how a man who doesn't pay for their food is broke and hates women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 07:30 AM
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Sounds like you're projecting.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 07:29 AM
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You're literally who the post is about. You say men who don't pay for you are broke and yet you're the leech who expects them to pay for you. This makes you a bad person like the post says. You have no self-awareness. Read the post again, it describes you perfectly.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 07:19 AM
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It’s a natural assumption Not really. There's nothing natural about assuming someone is a man just because they are against using men for free food. It's actually pretty odd and very revealing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/24 02:38 AM
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I was making 6 figures when I started dating my husband. And yet you expected him to buy you food. Strange. I actually made about 20% more than my hubs the first 5 years of our relationship. Again, you made more than him, and yet still used him for his money. That's called greed. We were madly in love within a month. Which wouldn't have happened without him paying. It's not really love, it's a transaction. and wanting someone to be an equal partner You're not an equal partner if you expect a man…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/24 02:35 AM
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it's the principal. This has no meaning and just a way to justify your greed. When you hang out with your friends, do you expect them to pay because of "the principal"? you think you can tell me what I think You yourself told me what you think. I'm happily married to a man who actually put effort into couring me. That's great. Who wouldn't be happy using men for resources? It's all about you, princess.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 12:05 PM
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There are better ways to weed out leeches. Not even bothering to pay for a $15 meal isn't it lol. It clearly is, based on your own comment. If a man doesn't pay, he won't get a second date, you said. That's literally the point I'm making in the post, and you just proved it without even knowing it. Not paying makes the parasites reveal themselves since they're that vain and superficial. Better to just see a prostitute, they're more honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 11:55 AM
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To me that shows low effort What are you talking about? You don't even want to pay for your own food. Thats beyond low effort, that's just straight up greed and is unattractive, no matter how hot a woman is. Personally if a man doesn't pay for the first date he won't get a second one. You would actually be doing him a favour. The point of not paying is to weed out the leeches.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 11:45 AM
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No, I'm just honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 04:50 AM
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Most women love conversations, are willing to split bills or pay things for their partners This isn't really the truth. They love superficial conversations. Talk about anything of substance and you lose them. They may not mind paying for things once a man has already invested alot of money in them, if the man is lucky. But many men aren't even that lucky, they just get used. If you haven’t met that type of woman just say that instead of stereotyping all women. Stereotypes exist for a reason. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 03:00 AM
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And how are men so different from one another? I didn't say men are different. But If we're honest, men are more interesting and generous than women since men have to carry the conversation during dates, and they willingly pay for women and provide for them and protect them, while women have a problem with even paying for their own food and doing selfless things for men. Imagine being that kind of person, while still being insanely entitled with no self awareness.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 02:47 AM
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There are women out there that are educated, have hobbies, don’t wear makeup or just stick to the minimum. Where? Women aren’t monolith and all have different values, personalities, and interests. Not really. Most women are the same and want the same things, like a man to provide for them and cater to them. They might differ on their favourite pop singer but they're pretty much the same where it matters. This is why pick-up artist exist, because women are essentially the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 02:38 AM
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Part of the issue is that it can come across and not caring and only wanting sex. When you hang out with your friends, do they come across as not caring when they let you pay for your own food? If you wait a bit to have sec and prove that you aren’t broke in other ways it should be fine What? When men date, do you think they care whether a woman is broke or not? No, yet women are so concerned about money. This shows how inauthentic and fake most women are. You can't even form a genuine relations…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 02:33 AM
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if you’re dating a more traditional woman Modern women and traditional women are the same. It's all just brainless people who don't think for themselves. Most men’s entire motivation behind pursuing a woman is based on her looks yet women are superficial. This is because most women don't bring much else to the table, unfortunately. They spend more time on their appearance than they do developing themselves as human beings. And yet they're entitled to a man spending money on them just because the…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 02:29 AM
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The term "traditional woman" is basically meaningless. Modern women are npcs and traditional women are npcs. There's no real difference. Neither of them can think for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 02:24 AM
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If a woman has such a problem paying for her own food, she can just decline. If not getting free food is a deal breaker for her, who needs a leech like that in their life?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 02:22 AM
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It's interesting how you just assumed a woman who doesn't use men for free meals is a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 02:15 AM
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If you are not willing to show investment from the get go there will likely be no get go. I keep being amazed at how much many women lack self awareness. You don't want to pay for your own food on a date but expect a man to show investment. Only a being with no self awareness can be this blind. You've reduced yourself to being a sex worker. Women are biologically wired to look for investment. Women aren't special, they're just people. You don't need to be treated differently just because you cla…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 02:08 AM
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No, it’s about being provided for. Exactly. It's not actually about you. You're just a way for her to be provided for. Of course it’s transactional. If its transactional then it's not based on love. Atleast be honest with yourself. than something arbitrary and ephemeral like my looks or that we share the same music tastes. You mean like loving them for their "feminine energy and companionship"?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 01:50 AM
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Protecting and “bringing home the bacon” is what men have done since time immemorial. Dude, it's 2024 and women are capable of doing that themselves. I'm not sure why you insist on treating them like children. I simply choose to trust the wisdom of the ages The wisdom of the ages said women should be quiet in church, not be allowed to work and obey men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 01:48 AM
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Why do you think she couldn’t care less about me? If you stopped providing, what would happen? that does not preclude her from genuinely liking the man who provides. This means nothing because her genuinely liking you is based on money, which isnt even real if you understand how it's created. So her feelings for you are dependent on something fake, just paper to buy material things with, which are also fake. She can like that I provide for her and also like being with me. As long as her liking b…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 05:37 PM
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If she’s an adult, then she is absolutely subjected to it. Like every ither adult? Her companionship. Her feminine presence and energy These are all vague things with no meaning. Don't you also provide companionship, masculine presence and energy? Do you think she values you for any of that? in order to bring themselves closer to the divine. Which means catering to women does what? it brings you further from the divine. The vast majority of men have no desire to live the monastic life either. If…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 05:30 PM
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Why would I want to subject a woman I care about to that kind of life? Buddy, she's an adult. No one "subjects" her to anything. And in exchange, she does the same for me. In what way? She cooks and cleans? And is therefore you as long as there's payment? This is undeniable. Tell that to monks who wouldn't even allow women into their monasteries. I’m not sure how needing a woman in my life makes me any less of a man. Because you depend on women to feel good about yourself and to feel like a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 04:52 PM
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of course she’s going to think less of me. Meaning she couldn't care less about you. You're just a means to an end. And that end is free food and attention. I’m not sure what you think you’re proving here. I'm proving that you actually agree with my post. You're just too dependent on female approval to not allow yourself to be used. then I need something to offer. So you offer money like every other guy. Genius. This is how it works You're describing sex with sex workers. that I value and apprec…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 04:46 PM
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Men were providers and protectors long before organized religion. We're in 2024. Women are allowed to work now. They're adult human beings who should be able to look after themselves, just like you. for some weird reason seem to want men to be women and women to be men. A woman providing for herself doesn't make her a man. And a man treating women like adults doesn't make him a woman. Are you even aware of what you're typing? I don’t think women were oppressed throughout history Then you don't k…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 04:35 PM
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Well, by doing that, they actually just encourage women to be more entitled and unrealistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 04:22 PM
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Why does this upset you so much? I'm just calling it what it is. If it wasn't fake and superficial, this post wouldn't have got people's attention. It did because there's truth in it, and if you're honest with yourself, one of the reasons you would never split the bill is you're afraid that women will think less of you and won't want to see you again.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 04:17 PM
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The problem with men is they're so afraid to be alone that they'd rather partner up with a leech that couldn't care less about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 04:12 PM
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The only social programming going on are posts like this telling men that they shouldn’t be providers. Men were providers and protectors throughout 99% of human history. Do you think it's be a coincidence that women have also been oppressed for most of human history? Religions that say men should be providers for women also say men are superior to women because God made them smarter. Wake up. That’s literally our only purpose. If you believe your purpose on earth is to provide for other adults, …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 04:05 PM
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If having her attention requires me to pay, I'd rather not have her in my life. The same applies to men. Women are just people, and most people don't even know who they are. What kind of idiot would I be to chase and try to impress women who don't even know themselves? And all for what? Sex? Fake relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 03:58 PM
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You didn't answer the question. What is she actually gonna add to my life? Why should I care? What makes her different from other women?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 03:41 PM
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Which one do you think she's gonna take? Who cares? What is she actually gonna add to my life, if you remove sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 03:37 PM
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This is why women are entitled and why its so easy for them to use and manipulate men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 02:42 PM
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Yes, for kids. It's not really for the kids, let's be honest. Women do it for their own satisfaction. Kids are just the excuse. Women use them just like they use men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 02:41 PM
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Because men care about sex more than people. And what do women care about? Extracting resources from men?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 02:37 PM
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one caveat - that you pick the date together and make sure it fits both of your budgets. Well, ofcourse. There's 2 people involved so the location has to have input from both people.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 02:32 PM
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But why do they run? If most women were fun and interesting, would men run?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 02:30 PM
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Almost every guy I have ever dated has paid for the first date Yeah, but you don't actually know why. You were just programmed to think that's men's role in your life. Unless these guys are stupid, they know that not paying lowers their chances of getting a second date or getting laid. It's just a business transaction. I am at a point where, due to reading Reddit, jf a guy has issues with paying, I will assume he is either poor, is constantly worried about being used for his money and has a gene…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 01:33 PM
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Most men do not have this much demand from women, though. But the whole point is it doesn't matter. If the only way to get women's attention is to chase them and cater to them by playing the role they expect you to play, is their attention really worth it? If so, why? What can they actually add to your life, if you have to chase them to get their interest, along with spending money on them, while knowing that they'd lose interest in you if you stopped paying?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 12:52 PM
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Women are more in demand by men Because most men are simps. Women are just people, there's no need for them to be " in demand". It becomes even more absurd when you actually know what women are like. It's like the difference between what you think about a celebrity and who they actually are as a person.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 12:27 PM
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Then the guy shows that he’s at least generous, Isn't it interesting how the woman doesn't have to be generous, or even oay for her own food? Asking for separate orders just seems really petty to me When you hang out with your friends and you each pay for your own food, do you find that petty? and likely shows a bad personality trait to the woman. Do you think an adult woman depeding on random men for food is a good personality trait? Is that what a generous person does? Why the double standards…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 12:16 PM
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No, superficial is being so selfish and narcissistic that paying for food that's going into your own mouth is a problem for you. This is objectively true. No sane person with self respect depends on strangers for food.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 12:04 PM
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Expecting a stranger to pay for your meal is what, then? Is it something a respectable woman does?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 11:58 AM
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think men and women are different Obviously. Is one of the differences that women are incapable of paying for their own food on dates? I'm not looking for a girl-boss 3000 who pays for everything A woman providing for herself and paying for herself on a date isn't being a girl boss, it's being an independent adult. I'm looking for a wife and mother of my children, How is a woman who doesn't want to provide for herself going to provide all the non material things a child needs? At best she can gi…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 10:29 AM
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Sure, and many decent women also like traditional dating practices as they find it fun, charming, and attractive. I think our definition of decent is very different. I wouldn't call a guy who expects me to pay for him when we hang out decent, same applies to women. They're just people. and assume they all see relationships like a business transaction. If a woman's interest in a man depends on him paying, how is that not transactional? fucking stop assuming all women are like that and expecting s…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 10:13 AM
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I'm just saying you're cutting out a lot of quality decent people, especially if you're looking for more traditional women, Decent women have no problem paying for food that's going into their own mouths. This seems obvious to me. especially if you're looking for more traditional women, Traditional women aren't different from modern women. They're both entitled and see relationships as transactions. Plus traditional women tend to believe in braindead religions like Christianity. It's a sign of s…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 09:40 AM
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But it's still a social norm. It's called culture. Doesn't make it less superficial. You're not required to follow social norms, it's a choice you make, and that choice makes someone superficial. or bad people. It does if they're just blindly following them. But you're likely going to be missing out on some quality women, Quality women don't require payment for us to hang out, prostitutes do.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 09:25 AM
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Even the most social progressive women like the idea of men paying. No shit women like men spending money on them. They're not special for liking it. It makes them feel special and like the prize. Again, everyone likes feeling special, not just women. You don't think a man would feel special if a woman paid for his food as well? In fact, all a woman has to do is be fine paying for her own food for a man to feel special. Enjoying this isn't a character trait, and expecting to be paid for is a sig…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 09:00 AM
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What you listed is too much effort to find out something simple. Whereas one simple act shows you the mentality of who you're on a date with, before you even spend any money.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 08:43 AM
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Who said it was new?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 08:24 AM
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This is so low on the list of ways to separate the good from the bad. Not really. It actually reveals alot about a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 08:18 AM
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Hahah good one.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 08:05 AM
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Go halves and the 😻 dries up real quick 🤷. Sounds like dealing with a prostitute. No thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 07:58 AM
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I wonder why that is...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 06:27 AM
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It does mean they're superficial. It's literally putting money before a human being. from finding a good partner A good partner wouldn't expect men to spend money on her, especially when they don't even know each other. Better to be single than with someone like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 06:25 AM
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Right, I was just answering your question.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 06:10 AM
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It wasn’t their idea so logically speaking if someone wants you in their wedding or wants you to travel for their wedding they should be the one to pay for it right? But don't you see how you're complicating something as simple as connecting with another human being by bring payment into it? Its like dealing with a sex worker, which also requires some form of payment. Except in this case, a man is guaranteed to get laid. Where did the girl not wanting to go out come from? If her paying for her o…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 06:08 AM
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Wait, are you saying it’s not really fair because it takes courage It's not fair to expect men to pay just because they asked you out. If you don't want to go out, just say no, rather than expecting a man who took a chance to ask you out to spend money on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 05:59 AM
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if someone HAD to be the one to pay for all of it, it should be the one that asks the other out True, but its usually men who always ask, which takes courage so it's not really fair. It's better for both people to just not mind paying for their own food since it's about getting to know each other, not payment.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 05:51 AM
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These men never want children or deep conversations and intuitive insights What does this have to do with payment?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 05:34 AM
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Women love scorekeepers, beancounters Women are "scorekeepers, beancounters", and they've made dating transactional.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 05:25 AM
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The names and pejoratives you just can't seem to help yourself from using about them says otherwise. I'm just calling a spade a spade. Somebody has to be honest about women using men, and since you seem to be one of those women, its only natural that you'll respond this way. Yes, to us it is. To them it's not. So is it right for adult men to marry 6 year olds? Is it less weird because pedos in Afghanistan are fine with it? Just like in America, it's not weird and abnormal for a guy to pay on the…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 05:07 AM
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Poor fellows. I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 04:42 AM
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so I won't address yours. It was rhetorical. Obviously it's not polite to expect strangers to pay for your food. It's selfish and greedy. Okay, so you have sex with your buddies? Interaction means talking to people and relating with them. It doesn't mean sex. It means I treat everyone the same. It doesn't matter what you call them or how much you hate them, they don't care and neither do the guys who want them. I don't hate them, I feel sorry for them. It's not "weird," because "weird" implies a…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 04:40 AM
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Yup, I have a very opinion of myself. Exactly. And I'd expect any man who wants to date to me have a very high opinion of me too. Yeah, coz it's all about you. got more than free food. I got relationships. Relationships based on payment are not real relationships. It's just a transaction. All in all, ended up happily ever. I'm sure you did. Not so sure about the poor guys you use.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 04:35 AM
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Reread the post.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 04:33 AM
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I'm happy to pay for my own food when I'm not on a date. This is what I meant when I said women who have a problem with paying for their own food have a very high opinion of themselves. Thankfully, I date men who happily paid and stated it up front when making plans. Yeah, you're very lucky. Unfortunately for them, they are dating someone who doesn't really value them as people, which is why payment is required for them to date you. But hey, atleast you get free food.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 04:32 AM
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And the easiest way to weed out these superficial women does not work for you What?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 04:26 AM
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I'm not gonna call men who don't pay for dates cheap Having a problem with paying for your own food is cheap. Be honest with yourself atleast.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 04:24 AM
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Is a stranger the same as your good buddies? Is it polite to expect strangers to spend money on you just because they asked if you wanted to hang out? Do you interact the same way with a stranger as you do your good buddies? I interact with everyone in the same way. and women who want to be paid for. Yeah, the fake and vapid ones mentioned in the title of the post. As if making a point of asking for separate checks on a date isn't weird. You don't think expectating random men to pay for your foo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 04:24 AM
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Same with women who weed out men who don't pay for a date. Those are the superficial women mentioned in the title of the post.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 04:21 AM
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Is paying for a first date really that big of deal? If a woman doesn't want a second date with you because you didn't pay, do you think she sees paying for a first date as a big deal? He taught me that it’s just the right thing to do cause we make money. Any adult with a job makes money, including the women you'd be on a date with. Your comment explains why it's so easy for women to use men for money and resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 04:19 AM
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That's not really the point. I don't want to hang out with someone who I have to discuss payment with before doing so. If that's what I wanted, I would just see a prostitute.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 04:16 AM
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Talking about payment is gross, that's what I said. Also, read the rest of my comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 04:12 AM
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I mean... Not as much time, money, and energy as making this clear before going on the date, but sure... I guess... Talking about who's going to pay before you hang out with someone is weird and actually kinda gross. If a woman has such a problem with paying for her own food, she should just decline the invitation. The same applies to when I hang out with guys, we don't talk about who's gonna pay for each other's food because we are all adults and expect to pay for ourselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 04:09 AM
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Lumping women in with pets and children is a way of infantalizing women Many women want to be led and provided for by men so they basically infantalise themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/24 02:13 PM

Based upon my experience in the world and the experience of other people, including women who have even written books about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 01:19 AM

When children are that young, their brain is extremely malleable to influences. So don't you think it's a good idea to emphasise to them that who they are and their personality is more important than how they look? Therefore, to decondition a gender expression, one needs to be in the same state of consciousness in which it was conditioned in the first place - aka malleable childhood consciousness. Not necessarily. Otherwise nobody would ever grow or change as a human being. They would stay exact…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 01:17 AM

Attractive people utilize their looks for leverage in most aspects. They can't use their looks for leverage if the observer doesn't care about that stuff. That's the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 01:15 AM

As women, a good stock of our social currency is how we look and how fit we are. It's up to you to care about that stuff. Caring about "social currency" is a choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 01:14 AM

I am not convinced a philosopher from 2000 years ago has much insight into what women are doing today. They're doing the same things, otherwise the quote wouldn't be relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 01:13 AM

Do you need evidence to see that many women spend alot of time working on their physical appearance and less on their personalities? Really? This is so prevalent that a philosopher from 100AD wrote about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 12:58 AM

and it wouldn't matter for dating if men don't find you fuckable at first glance Why do you want men to find you fuckable?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 12:44 AM

We are animals, No, we aren't. Or rather maybe you are, but I am not. so the primary purpose of relationships is to make babies. No, it isn't. Maybe if you had said sex, but even then, most people don't have sex just to have kids. In fact, most times people have sex its not to have babies.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 12:43 AM

You can’t undo neurological conditioning with theoretical idea… What do you mean by this?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 12:31 AM

Why? Because there's more to life as a woman than attracting men. Why? Because there's more to life as a man than attracting women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 12:29 AM

so why is it women being part of the problem? Just because men don't seem to care about personality doesn't mean women shouldn't work on their personalities. Just like how women liking men who simp doesn't mean men should behave like simps just to get women to like them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 12:27 AM

Unfortunately women are part of the problem because they spend more time working on their looks than on other aspects of themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 12:17 AM

If men had high standards for women personality the entire human race would be extinct by now. Well, that's just not true. They're going to be shit people because society allow it, "Society" in this instance is made up of men with low standards. So its men allowing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 11:56 PM
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All of the issues men and women have are often the result of the same things, and we should work together to address them. I agree with you there.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 10:35 AM
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You're doing exactly what the post is saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 10:03 AM
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But there are such people. What do you think government is?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/24 12:45 AM
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These terms already have definitions. I can redefine them according to my liking, and people will still be able to understand what I'm saying, as evidenced by this post and the engagement on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 08:27 AM
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Your post is a bunch of pseudo science. Only if you don't understand it. I mean it’s not good or respectable but I’m not sure if I call it toxic. If it's not good or respectable, then what is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 01:51 AM
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What does being feminine mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 01:25 PM
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Yeah, you're right. There are literally no people who are behind things that happen in the world. It all just happens randomly. All religions just randomly happen to suppress women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 11:55 AM
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You chose terms that already have well-known meanings. I didn't deny that. The point is I defined what I mean by them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 11:21 AM
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Why did you use terms that are already in use? Because that's how people understand what you're saying?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 10:50 AM
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All I'm saying is just because a word or phrase is popular doesn't make it truly meaningful. Which is why I provided the definition for what I mean by these terms in the post.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 10:27 AM
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My main point was that neither toxic femininity or toxic masculinity exist. In the way that I defined them in the post they definitely do. Also it’s insane you think being passive is the same as being toxic. Passivity can be toxic. It often is. For example, there are many cases, especially in Muslim countries where the father is abusing the daughter, and the mother is so passive that she does nothing to stop it because of her religion.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 10:26 AM
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You think men are never manipulative or controlling without being aggressive? Try and read the whole post again very carefully.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 10:12 AM
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It's a bad idea to assume labels necessarily have anything to do with reality. Labels are used to describe aspects of reality and human behaviour. That's why they exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 09:56 AM
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Women showing emotion and not dating you is not toxic femininity. This is just an unpleasant way of you saying you didn't read or understand the post. At no point did I even bring up my own dating life because the post isn't about me or any specific woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 09:42 AM
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I see these terms thrown around all the time but I'm yet to meet a person in real life that has the traits to fit in either category The traits I mentioned in the post definitely exist. However, my definition of those terms are different to most people's.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 09:36 AM
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I put it on debate because whenever I make a post and put a "discussion" flair on it, it gets removed because apparently, no non- neutral discussion posts are allowed by the mods. So its just so that the post doesn't get removed.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 09:35 AM
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I argued that misandry is way worse than passivity, yet you chose to discuss passivity. Because passivity is one of the points the post is talking about, and like I said, it's not a competition so it's not about what's worse. It's about "toxic" behaviour. Judging by these traits alone, toxic masculinity is worse than toxic femininity. You're not really getting the point. I'm not comparing shitty behaviours, I'm just explaining the different forms they take and why they exist in the first place. …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 08:59 AM
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I have a problem with the terms toxic masculinity/femininity mostly because I feel they are too vague to really mean anything. I agree. But we can use the words to point to certain problematic behaviours if we can define what we mean by them, like I did in the post. I’m assuming when you talk about manipulative crying your meaning when the emotion isn’t genuine Yes, but also, the programming is so deep that even when some women are expressing genuine emotions, they can still unconsciously use th…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 08:49 AM
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If you said toxic femininity comes in the form of misandry, i would have agreed with you. You don't need to agree with it for it to be true. Also, I didn't say toxic femininity was limited to what's in the post. Its a reddit post, so I can't go into all the aspects of toxic femininity because no one would even read everything I could write about it. Agression is always worse than passivity. It's not a competition. The point is they're both a result of social programming. a person is being beated…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 08:37 AM
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countless of studies have determined that male sex drive is higher than women's In the real world this doesn't actually matter. It also doesn't mean that men have to be thirsty. and from the dating dynamics of today , where women have more leverage than men, Yeah, because men are too thirsty. Women can't have more leverage if men don't give it to them. since in the end she has to go trough the painful process of giving birth and risking to get sick. Do you think most women who have sex do it to …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 03:50 AM
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it's much more ingrained in men. According to who? men desire women more thatn women desire men, How would that make sense from the perspective of nature, which is only interested in reproduction?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 11:25 PM
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Okay, thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 11:26 AM
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"Work on yourself" isn't even real advice, it's just a badly hidden attempt to be condescending. It actually is good advice. Work on yourself so you aren't thirsty and dependent on women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 10:52 AM
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If you see yourself in relation to women as a man wandering in the desert, then you should probably work on yourself. Being thirsty isn't gonna help you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 09:20 AM
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we are biologically ingrained to desire women You don't think women are also ingrained to desire men?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 12:44 AM
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I have those standards. I don't want to be with a shitty person. and I have held onto that standard. Would you rather lower your standards so that you're not alone?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 01:33 PM
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That some people here would be fine with an abusive girlfriend. And when you tell them that it's better to be single than to be with someone like that, you get downvoted to hell.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 11:57 AM
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When it’s drilled into your head by popular media since childhood that a man is only truly a winner when he gets the girl - an attractive one, too - it’s no surprise that you’d do everything in your power to attract and keep a girl if that kind. This is true. But it also implies that there's an effort being made to keep men in a state where they are thirsty and easy to manipulate, which is also true.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 11:19 AM
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Looks like someone hasn't seen hunger. Hunger and a lack of sex aren't the same thing. You can die from one, but not the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 11:04 AM
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Every man is incentivised to act thirsty to get laid as much as they can, leading to a shit situation for everyone. Exactly. And this doesn't just affect men, it also affects women because they start to expect men to act thirsty to get their attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 11:02 AM
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You forgot about one factor, the loneliness in the dating world. Why don't women have that? Women also experience loneliness. Women friendships are more intimate while men's are casual so their intimacy somehow is fulfilled but not for men. Yeah, but this is because of men and how they view each other. Also, society expects men to be more hardworkers compared to women. What is society, though? Isn't it just people relating and communicating with each other? Who in society expects men to be more …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 10:57 AM
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this might correct in time. Only if men stop being thirsty. Otherwise how would it correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 10:40 AM
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Women are programmed to be attracted to assertive socially competent men. In the real world, this actually doesn't matter that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 10:30 AM
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We're a sexually reproducing species. Yeah, including women. Someone has to initiate. Initiating doesn't mean you have to be thirsty. In fact, you don't even have to initiate. Society deems this our role. Society is the relationship between you and everyone around you, so it's up to you. Society doesn't make you do anything. Women typically aren't going to dot it for you The main reason why women don't initiate is because there are too many simps throwing themselves at their feet. If men didn't …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 10:23 AM
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It doesn't matter what they want. It's not men's job to cater to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 12:50 AM
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Sure, okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 12:48 AM
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No truly masculine man chases women and puts them on a pedestal. However, to you and other women, a masculine man is one who strokes your ego and caters to you, so your idea of masculine means nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 05:06 AM
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Then why commen on a post about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 02:52 AM
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How is not catering to other people toxic? Do you think women not catering to men is toxic?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 01:07 AM
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Telling men to stop putting women on a pedastal and catering to them isn't toxic. Wanting men to behave that way is what's toxic.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/23 03:14 PM
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It's possible for two people to use and exploit each other. This is what most relationships actually are.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/23 11:35 AM

According to evolutionary phycology and studies This is nonsense. If you have the ability to provide for yourself, this means you've evolved to be able to provide for yourself. Expecting a man to do it for you because of "evolutionary psychology" is just an excuse to be lazy and use men for resources. BUT attraction is bone deep, and you can’t ignore how evolution have shaped our preferences for partners. Evolution has nothing to do with who and what you're attracted to. Social conditioning does…
/r/RedPillWomen30/12/23 11:32 AM
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It is a natural wish from women and a natural responsibility men feel. According to who? Providing is the same as protecting, (protecting from hunger and cold). Adults protect and provide for themselves. If you as an adult can't even protect and provide for yourself, how are you going to be able to raise a child when you still think and behave like one?? . To inspire protectiveness from a man you have to seem like you need it. This is just manipulation, which you don't do if you love someone. It…
/r/RedPillWomen30/12/23 07:07 AM
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And yet you keep spending your time commenting on my posts...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/23 01:44 AM
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Why don't you?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/23 12:26 AM
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other men NEVER LET US PAY FOR OUR DINNERS! Okay? They show they are good providers on first impressions. Good for them for being used. I love him Yeah, because he pays. That "love" disappears without payment.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 04:14 PM
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If you see communicating and engaging with women as a competition then you got some issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 03:57 PM
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Thinking women are selfish probably doesn’t help Yeah, I've never heard of women being selfish. All women are selfless angels.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 03:26 PM
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You’re not competitive in the field so you think everyone else should stop playing. Yeah, I don't need to compete to get women. I have self respect. For example, I didnt even ask anyone to my highschool ball and yet 2 girls from different schools asked me to go with them, and I did. One asked me to go with her to mine, the other asked to go with her to hers. Things like this have happened to me throughout my life that chasing women isnt necessary for me. Its not necessary for other men either, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 03:05 PM
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We know you can’t get the attention you want from the women you want. Yeah, that's definitely it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 02:56 PM
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Men having to cope with the fact that they aren’t entitled to women’s attention isn’t putting anyone on a pedestal. My post is literally telling men to stop trying to get women's attention. Calling my reply to your multiple posts that are literally just whining that you can’t compete with men who treat women well “emotional” is such a disconnect from reality lol Right...okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 02:49 PM
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Okay, if you say so.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 02:47 PM
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Abs then waiting for the world to change” probably is taking a lot longer than the young buck who keep doing it expected, I bet. I don't know what this means but okay. You're free to think whatever you like, no matter how little sense it makes.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 02:32 PM
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If you were pulling you wouldn’t care what others are doing you’d be too busy doing what works. Right... because making a reddit post takes a long time.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 02:26 PM
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If a dude needs all other guys to change, then maybe he’s just not datable/fuckable in the first place. That makes no sense. Saying men should stop simping doesn't mean someone isn't dateable. That's absurd.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 02:13 PM
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Some do, they just get used by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 02:11 PM
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Sounds like you didn't read or understand the post. This is just an emotional response from you. No sane person would have a problem with somebody suggesting that men should stop being so thirsty and putting women on a pedestal.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 01:24 PM
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What exactly is simp behaviour? Being used for free food by paying for dates, putting women on a pedestal, flattering them in order to get them to like you and so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 01:17 PM
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Did you read the post? The answer is in there.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 12:59 PM
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Because that's simp behaviour. Women don't even respect men who throw away self respect for validation from women. But they'll definitely use them though, and because these men have no self respect, they'll actually enjoy being used, which is even more sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 12:40 PM
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Is that really what I said? Show me a quote from the post where I said that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 12:30 PM
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aren’t you posting this because you don’t want women to feel good? The post is about men, so I don't know what you're on about.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 12:20 PM
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Are you really asking me why a man losing his self respect to get validation from women is bad? Is it not obvious?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 11:50 AM
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Self respect is something i am willing to throw out the window, to get my ego stroked. That's just sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 11:38 AM
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The title of the post and its content.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 11:18 AM
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You don't need to simp to go on a date, mate.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 11:16 AM
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Whatever makes you feel good about yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 11:12 AM
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are you willing to sign something that says you will leave women alone? That's so stupid. I already leave them alone, and they come to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 11:08 AM
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Why do you care?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 11:06 AM
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Simps are one true enemy of all malekind and should be persecuted brutally and harshly when found. Unfortunately most men have simp qualities, if they're not all the way simps.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 10:56 AM
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The other men will have to level up or date women who aren’t as physically attractive and desirable. Or they can just do their own thing and stop bothering about women. And women will end up coming to them, I know coz that's what I do.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 10:55 AM
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Okay, thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 10:48 AM
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It's not about getting laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 10:47 AM
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Okay?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 10:43 AM
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so why bother posting this and tagging it as a debate post if there is nothing to debate? Because if I don't the mods remove the post.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 10:39 AM
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Why do I need to achieve anything with a reddit post?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 10:34 AM
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Any man could decide to do this at any point in time so why push men to start now? Because they haven't been doing it, obviously.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 10:31 AM
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Or men just need to get some self respect and stop behaving this way just for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 10:28 AM
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If a guy say he won't do XYZ, there is another guy willing to do XYZ and score with the girl. That's my whole point, which is why I'm saying men need to stop doing this.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 10:23 AM
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Exactly. Ironically, doing this makes them come to you. But even if they don't it doesn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 10:22 AM
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Biology doesn't make you chase women or behave like a simp. That's a choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 03:57 AM
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Don't blame biology for your desire to chase women. Take some responsibility for your actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 03:18 AM
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All this effort for what?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 12:26 AM
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It sounds like you didn't really read the post you're responding to.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 06:48 AM
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I'm sure this is why it has over 100 upvotes.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 05:51 AM
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Because it strokes your ego. The irony is after all that chasing, there's no real value once they "catch" you because there isn't much substance to you, which is why you want to be chased like a child.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 05:32 AM
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I love women. Sexual attraction isn't love. Literally every straight man thinks he loves women. So its a pretty meaningless statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 05:29 AM
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Cant be self actualized without validation from others Well, that's just ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 05:21 AM
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She ain't losing no sleep over your ass!! Who cares? You better pursue her and stay at the front of her mind if you want to keep her interested lmao Yeah, I'm sure chasing her is gonna make her value you because it's not like a bunch of other guys are doing the exact same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 05:20 AM
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You're missing the point. It doesn't matter what women want. Stop catering to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 05:18 AM
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Okay, if you say so.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 03:42 AM
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you guys already tried that MGTOW shit and it just backfired in your faces because now you’re complaining about the “male loneliness” epidemic 🤣😂 Obviously the people complaining about "male loneliness" aren't the same as the men going their own way. There is no "you guys", there's only individuals. I'm not sure how MGTOW back fired, that doesn't even make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 02:04 AM
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Okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 12:03 AM
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Why would you chase someone who's already into you?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 11:48 PM
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Even if you get one.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 11:46 PM
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Okay, sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 11:45 PM
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I am calm. I'm just telling you the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 04:01 PM
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Literally the only way to get me (31F) is to chase me lol. Good thing there's plenty of fish in the sea. My ex of almost thirteen years kept me for so long bc he would basically grovel at my feet to get me back after a fight. Because he had no self respect. Chasing is super masculine, and as a feminine woman, that’s what I require of a man You don't really know what masculinity or femininity is. Your idea of masculinity is a man grovelling at your feet.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 03:31 PM
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Millionaires still kill themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 02:22 PM
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Because I'm sure for example DiCaprio "chases" women he likes on his environment. The times I've been most "successful" with women was when I wasn't chasing and let them come onto me, I don't see why It would be different for someone in a much better position in life than I am. MGTOW is a cope for average men. Average men chase women, they don't go their own way.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 02:20 PM
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Chasing is actually necessary in the process of courtship. It really isn't. If you have to chase, she's not really into you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 01:31 PM
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A man leads (naturally) and a woman follows. Only sheep who can't think for themselves follow. Who said any man is CHASING women? Many men chase women. You’ve made alot of bad faith assumptions here because you obviously don’t have any (or many) women in your life and haven’t historically: This makes no sense, its just a pathetic attempt at gaslightighing. A man with historically no women in his life would want to chase them, so they can be in his life. And yet you claim that I'm making assumpti…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 01:28 PM
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Because I didn't say I don't need it to buy things like food. I said it doesn't bring happiness, which is obviously true.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 12:35 PM
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This whole post has millionaire telling you that money didn't bring happiness vibes Well, it's true that money doesn't bring happiness, regardless of who's saying it. Just like sex isn't the be all and end all of life, regardless of who's saying it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 12:27 PM
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Sounds good on paper but in the end is a cope. How?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 12:26 PM
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Okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 07:28 AM
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Is there a question in there somewhere? Who told you that a debate post has to have a question? So all I have to say is “women appreciate a man who plans things and remembers to call on birthdays and anniversaries but most men never do” You're proving my point by making this post about what women want.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 06:47 AM
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I bet it felt good for you to type that. Even though women commenting are even agreeing with the post.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 05:20 AM
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No.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 01:35 AM
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women use it as a way to weed out men though. A good way for men to weed out these vapid women is to split the bill. a woman pays for a guy, she has no clue if the guy likes her or is just stringing her along probably to just get sex because alot of men out there are desperate for sex. And the same doesn't apply for men somehow? Some women actually use men for free food. They acknowledge if a man cannot handle paying for a few dates he probably wont be a decent husband You're proving the point o…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 11:56 PM
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Yeah you said that already. When?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 11:51 PM
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Men have no issues paying for women they are genuinely interested in. If women were genuinely interested in men, why would they have a problem paying for their own food? All of my female friends discuss this regularly. Do they ever consider men's perspective?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 06:10 PM
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I kinda agree with you, except maybe the last part. But on a different note, do you happen to be Jamaican? Your comments sounds Jamaican in my head when I read it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 05:22 PM
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Well, at least you're living up to your flair.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 05:16 PM
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According to men who only value how a woman looks, not her character or personality. Do you think that could be partially because most women mostly work on their looks and nothing else? I, for example, am interested in women beyond sex, and yet when I try to date, I end up having to choose between just hanging out with them for sex or breaking things off because that's all there is to most of them. I can't really talk about anything of substance with most of them because they're mostly intereste…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 03:47 PM
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I never said it was for saying "I love you.". I asked: How would you expect a man to show he cares about your feelings?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 03:43 PM
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According to who??
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 03:29 PM
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How can the woman show she cares about his feelings (mind you, this could very well be a first date) How would you expect a man to show he cares about your feelings? Whatever your answer is, the same applies to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 03:28 PM
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Didn't I already say: By showing genuine interest in a man and actually caring about his feelings, and not just expecting him to pay for dates. ?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 03:06 PM
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I'm a high moral woman What's a high moral woman? Like, what does it look like in practice?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 02:50 PM
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Then why is it that it's men who are generally expected to pay?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 02:30 PM
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For both men and women?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 02:03 PM
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It's not just about dates. The dynamic between men and women when it comes to dating (like the man being expected to pay and initiate stuff) is just a symptom of women's general lack of appreciation of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 01:30 PM
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If women did this you would call it a woman punching above her league. How do you know what I would say?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 01:25 PM
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You asked how she can show appreciation, and I answered.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 12:54 PM
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By showing genuine interest in a man and actually caring about his feelings, and not just expecting him to pay for dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 12:42 PM
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I started it by giving her my number. I don't give it to everyone, after all. So if she really wants to hang out, she'll call or text me. By giving her my number without asking for hers, there's less pressure on her part to reject me or feel like she has to give me the wrong number. Plus, giving her my number makes it much simpler to know if she's into me.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 08:29 AM
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The fun starts when she ends up texting me.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 11:31 PM
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who cares what he wants Wow. Definitely not you. This is why he'd be better off giving you his number, this way you won't text him with that toxic attitude. Also, men being the pursuers and women being the pursued are roles that only Unintelligent people go by. Real people are genuine with each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 04:40 PM
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If you think reciprocating interest and texting someone is throwing yourself at them then I don't know what to even say to you. I only want to date a man who at least indicates he really wants me You don't think he also wants you to do the same? But ofourse you don't care what he wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 04:15 PM
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there is no man worth texting first You sound like you don't even like men that much. So I'm not sure why you'd want them to pursue you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 04:12 PM
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I don't wait. I give them my number and then forget about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 04:11 PM
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So it's thoughtful but probably not at all effective It's definitely effective if the guy makes a good impression through his presence.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 09:39 AM
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Dating is a game. That's what makes it fun. As long as the game isn't about drama and trying to control each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 08:28 AM
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I don't give out my number often, but every time I've given my number to a woman, she ended up texting me. Ofcourse this doesn't mean it worked out with all of them every time though.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 07:49 AM
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How about you just swap them? Yeah, that's fine as well. But I prefer giving my number to put the ball in her court. If we exchange numbers, she'll more than likely expect me to text first.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 07:35 AM
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he's just as free to not make it and not feel attracted to or by it. Sure. But there's a psychological reason why he's not attracted by it, whether he's aware of it or not. And the reason is his ego, which is the same in your case.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 07:27 AM
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Which part of it's not attractive to me to make the first move and I'm not attracted by it to be put in that position, don't you understand? Imagine if a man were to say "it's not attractive to me to make the first move and I'm not attracted by it".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 07:07 AM
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I'm just not attracted to doing that, because I'm generally attracted to a man who takes the initiative by making the first move. Because it boosts your ego. It's not wrong or right. It's just the reality. Making the first move would mean you have to risk being rejected, which you're afraid of.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 06:48 AM
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You're painting approaching and complimenting women as a bad thing which is where I see it as toxic. If it were a good thing, you would do it. I'd either not give a damn and live on my own cause I'm fine with that. Exactly. Coz you know approaching is beneath you, unlike the men who approach you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 06:25 AM
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If she says no or ends up giving you a fake number then consider it a bullet dodged. If I give her my number and that kills the attraction for her, that's a bullet dodged. I advise doing what works for you, though dropping the poor justifications and toxic under tones. There's nothing toxic about saying approaching women and complementing the boosts their ego's. It's the truth. There is a reason why you said you're not attracted to making the first move. You're not attracted to taking the initia…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 06:03 AM
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Do you really think this is the average woman's experience? Its not in the slightest. That's why I said "just imagine...". I was illustrating a point.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 04:40 AM
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I think it was more ADD related. Okay, fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 04:32 AM
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I locked eyes with this late 20s Latin mama with her mama, and I saw that her mama was looking That's too many 'mamas' in one sentence.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 04:27 AM
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Then he can't have been that worthwhile for you. There's no way you'd forget to call or text a guy who makes a really good impression on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 04:26 AM
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Why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 04:17 AM
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Well, this approach has worked for me, hence the post. It would make no sense for me to say its the best approach when I haven't tried it myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 03:47 AM
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Okay, why would that be the case?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 03:42 AM
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I don't know what that means.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 03:39 AM
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you want me to read your post back to you so that you can understand the context of my direct reply to the thing you typed out? Well all you said was "do they now?". How am I supposed to know what you're referring to? Do you have the authority to speak for most men and women on either of these assumptions? Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 03:27 AM
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Does who what?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 03:24 AM
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Generally speaking most men want to be independent and have their own money. Most men would feel ashamed to depend on their partner for money. For women though, it's totally different, many actually prefer depending on a man for money, or atleast using him for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 03:18 AM
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Would you sacrifice genuine love for financial security and a rich lifestyle?" This is a question most women would say yes to.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 03:14 AM
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That's not the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 11:57 PM
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You said men value money more than they value your time. Why did you say that then?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 11:54 PM

Yes...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 03:26 PM
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I've already covered the type of women who have this mentality in my post. The title alone addresses this.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 03:20 PM
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Nobody said it was?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 03:13 PM
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Proving what point? The point made in the title of this post.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 02:26 PM
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Social media is NOT representative of the population. If you read my post you'll see that I've already addressed this. (and in my experience most women I see go 50/50, so I could say majority aren’t like that and my claim would be just as valid as yours Do you date women? And I definitely wouldn’t rely on the videos an algorithm is feeding me Again, I've already addressed this.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 02:10 PM
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You sound so sad and bitter and you’re obviously projecting. Maybe you're the one projecting. Just because the only thing on your mind is getting your dick wet, If that was the only thing on my mind I'd have no problem paying just to get my dick wet. but some men want to do something nice for a woman they’re interested in! Interestingly women don't seem to want to do that. They don't even wanna pay for their own food when with a man they're interested in.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 02:00 PM
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Endless videos of women saying they are like that (i even linked one of them in the post), plus my own experience and the experience of many other men. Plus the fact that books have been written about this, some even by women. What source can you provide that concludes that the majority aren't like that?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 01:55 PM
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Again, you're not disproving my post. You're actually proving it but just saying chubby women aren't like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 01:53 PM
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everyone is aware that they should walk away from anything that does not serve them . Except when it comes to women, most of them are the type to walk away from. That's the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 12:58 PM
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Just because you don’t feel the need to provide for a woman and you don’t value that dynamic, doesn’t mean everyone feels the same way. The point is women who expect to be provided for are conceited and self centred. Whether their partner likes to do it or not doesn't make them any less shallow and vapid.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 12:46 PM
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Could be. Beats me. It’s just natures way. Men pay to increase their chances of getting laid. That's it. Women's personality (or lack of) has nothing to do with it. It's just like how a man pays when dealing with a prostitute. Depends on the relationship, doesn’t it? Nothing is the answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 12:28 PM
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You may want to get this checked out by a doctor. Thanks for being concerned about my boner. It's a bit weird but thanks anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 12:26 PM
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I have heard that some women will treat men that they're dating though from time to time. Rarely. Perhaps it's just because it's a nice thing to do? To expect people to pay for your meal? It feels good to be treated No shit. Everyone likes getting free stuff. It's not a personality trait.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 12:25 PM
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You know from back when women were forced to be financially dependent on men? So women insist on a tradition from they had less rights? Why? Such as taking your husband's name. That's still a thing even though we don't need it. If women had a problem with this, they would question it and stop getting married.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 12:12 PM
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and take pride in being able to provide for a woman. I'm sure it's because women are so awesome and amazing. Males are out there giving gifts, drawing elaborate pictures, dancing, killing, and singing to attract females.. And what are women doing?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 12:07 PM
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She can literally get her own food, you know that right? Then why doesn't she? If she wants to be paid for and you don't, she likely thinks you don't care enough. So she wants payment? How is that not a prostitute? Because it's seen as a gentlemanly thing to do. Hence Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 11:43 AM
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It’s actually a minority. Do you date women? If not then how would you actually know? in a sick attempt to get them to change their minds I dont care if they don't change their minds. In fact, they wont because they don't care. The point is to alert men so they can walk away.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 11:40 AM
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influencers on TikTok likely had more delusional mindsets from being over-sexualized and non-influencer type women are less likely to have that type of experience. Most women saying this stuff aren't necessarily influencers. Even when they are, the "non influencer" type women in the comments agree with what they say, and many women in real life also behave in a similar. In fact, they idolise the influencers. This is so pervasive that back in 1971 when women were just getting the same rights as m…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 11:38 AM
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but TikTok influencers are not accurate representations of women in real life. Which is why in the post it says I've also had personal experiences like that. Women don't like admitting that more women are more shallow than they want to believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 11:13 AM
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will never understand why men will spend day and night worried about the ones who do not want what they want . Maybe because the majority are like the post says?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 11:11 AM
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In what way?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 10:00 AM
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Women are not going to sleep with you in exchange for free food Most women will refuse a second date with a man who doesn't pay, which eliminates sex. It's the same mentality.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 09:26 AM
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So than what’s there to cry about? There's nobody crying. I'm just telling the truth to other men so they stay away from these kind of women, which is many of them. stand by your values I do. I'm just helping other men to realise the reality of most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 09:25 AM
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It doesn't matter. The point is it's still relevant today.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 09:20 AM
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You seem to pay, because otherwise the women (you don’t want) don’t go on a second date with you I actually don't pay, to weed out the vapid women. why not ATMs by your value? I don't understand what this means.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 09:19 AM
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May the reason be that she was a very privileged woman Probably not. Also, I wouldn't count getting death threats as being privileged.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 09:17 AM
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What do you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 09:16 AM
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There are plenty of mid weird chubby feminist women out there who would split the bill with you. You're not disproving my point. You're basically saying for a woman to pay for her own food on a date, she has to be a "mid weird chubby feminist".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 09:15 AM
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Someone getting you a meal once doesn't make you a princess or a prostitute. The mentality behind expecting it does.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 09:08 AM
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Read it if you really want to find out. She got death threats after writing it for a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 09:07 AM
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unless you believe you know what all men in the world think Generalisations tend to work for a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 09:06 AM
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I need to know what exactly is it that women should bring to the table? At the the least they need to bring money to pay for their own food, like an adult. What do you want out of women you date? Intelligence, interesting conversation, self awareness and not narcissism and selfishness.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 09:05 AM
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That’s not a reason It is but okay, I don't really care. I’ll just assume you got your feelings hurt by a woman you bought dinner for. I don't buy dinner for women. I get separate orders to weed out the vapid women, which is many of them, that's how I know about them. Majority of men insist on paying. Surely it can't be because women are so shallow that they'll refuse a second date with men who don't pay, can it?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 07:14 AM
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She wouldn't have gotten death threats if there was no truth in it, and it is still relevant today, that's the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 07:12 AM
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So you think you know my exes’ inner thoughts better than I do. 😂 Love that for you! I'm just telling you how men, especially when they pay for dates think. What you make of it is up to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 07:10 AM
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So basically, in your perspective, guys are going to pay because it’s what they have to do So me do it partially because they want to, but this is because they're conditioned to do it. Don't you ever ask yourself why it is that men are the ones expected to pay? Do you think this just happened naturally? and women should feel guilty about it? Women can do whatever they want. This post is just speaking the truth about most women's conceited mentality and more men are starting to go their own way. …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 06:54 AM
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Why are we talking about this? Because I can? Are all women like this? The vast majority are, that's the point, which you'd understand if you actually read the post. Then who cares? You do, that's why you're commenting.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 06:47 AM
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So you're going to waste your time hanging out with men who don't value your time just because they're paying??
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 06:39 AM
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I didn't say you weren't. If the post isn't describing you and your behaviour then it shouldn't matter to you. You should be able to admit that atleast some women are like that and it makes dating less enjoyable for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 06:38 AM
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My point is that it’s not the majority And I'm saying it's most women, so we disagree. adjust your perspective so you see the women who think in the same way you do. There aren't many who do. That's the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 06:25 AM
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I have at times asked/offered to pay but generally from basically every man I have dated Because they know that many women offer as a test. So it's just safe to pay and make them happy with free food since it's mostly what they care about, like they're homeless something. The reality is, if a guy didn’t offer to pay, he’d be in a small subset of the men I date Which is why they pay. How do you not see that? and by comparison less generous. Unlike you who is so generous that you don't even pay fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 06:20 AM
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No, but I can point out that it's conceited and narcissistic. It's the mentality of a parasite.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 06:17 AM
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Is a real thought process that most pre-pubescent female children go through? Like... for real? The writer of the quote was being hyperbolic to point to a deeper truth. For example, it's unfortunately true that most women have : planned a future for themselves which consists of choosing a man and letting him do all the work. In return for his support, they are prepared to let him make use of their vaginas at certain given moments. This is why women want a "provider" and a man who pays for stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 06:16 AM
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How is it shallow to want a man who takes you seriously? How does expecting a man to spend money on you mean he's taking you seriously? Not bring anything to the table but sex isn't wanting to be taken seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 06:13 AM
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I'm just making observations about gender, isn't what this sub is about?? Focus on those who share your values rather than fixating on those who don’t. The point is the vast majority of women have that conceited mentality, hence the post.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 06:11 AM
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How is what other people do or don't want in a partner any concern of yours? It isn't but if a group of people is only interested in using people and being put on a pedestal, I can say something about that disgusting mentality, just like I can say something about insecure men who want submissive and braindead women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 05:55 AM
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Yeah, so anecdotal that a woman even wrote about it in a book called 'The Manipulated Man' in 1971 and received death threats from women for saying it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 05:52 AM
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but it seems like it can all be summarized with women are manipulative and men are gullible, no? It's more complex than that. You should actually read it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 05:41 AM
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They're hot and they know it, so they play into it to get what they want. Those were just examples, and like I said in the post, I've experienced this with average women. But it's videos right? You'll only understand this once you date women as a straight guy. Most women have that mentality, especially "traditional" ones, but even modern women think like that. Theres nothing authentic about any of this. That's because there's nothing authentic about most women, unfortunately,
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 05:40 AM
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You act as if women on tik tok aren't just regular women on tik tok.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 05:33 AM
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it seems that she sees men as quite stupid and easily manipulated. Well, most are easily manipulated by women, so they can't be that bright. let me know if i’m misinterpreting her work You're only focusing on the parts you want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 05:32 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 05:31 AM
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Wanna establish an official quota or something for people who are allowed to exist who aren't what we want? Well, I'm allowed to have an opinion about conceited people and to share it. Using your words to filter out incompatible women is like bartering with prostitutes? Discussing payment when it comes to hanging out with someone on a personal level is. I don't know why you think the words of some random woman mean anything to me. It doesn't have to mean anything to you. It just proves my point,…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 05:22 AM

Oh no, you won't get another date with a ::checks notes:: ... Shallow, selfish, and conceited woman? The point is there are too many women with that mentality. You can use your words to communicate your expectations for payment. This should only apply when dealing with prostitutes. Interestingly, Esther Vilar once wrote, "By the age of 12 at the latest, most women have decided to become prostitutes. Or, to put it another way, they have planned a future for themselves which consists of choosing a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 05:02 AM

or get to know the woman before going on a date with her. ' Depending on where you meet someone, it's not always possible to know them on a deeper level. That's supposed to be why people go on dates. Also, none of this changes the fact that there are way too many women who have this mentality. Unless a man decides to be single for the most part, he'll end up mostly dealing with these kinds of women,
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 04:35 AM

except this is a symptom of men not vetting the women they go on dates with. One of the main ways to vet women on dates is to get separate orders. Many women are so shallow that this is a turn of for them and there probably won't be a second date. I wonder, have you ever judged someone who experienced consequences directly related to their deliberate actions? There's no way of knowing if a woman expects men to pay for dates and to be put on a pedestal until you go on a date with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 04:06 AM

The upside to the internet is women are now exposing themselves and how they view men. The sane men will walk away and go their own way.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 03:38 AM
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It generates discussion All it generated for her was death threats. If you can't see how stupid that sounds, maybe you are the one who hasn't had much original thought since you were 5. She's being hyperbolic to make a valid point. If there was no truth in her book, both men and women wouldn't have sent her death threats. “It is quite incredible that men, whose desire for knowledge is unbounded in every other field, are really totally blind to these facts, that they are incapable of seeing women…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 12:10 AM
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They still have an option to not be with a man. Unless they're literally a slave.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 11:56 PM
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Not necessarily.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 11:50 PM
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So why do you think she'd write rage bait just to sell books when most people won't buy it coz they get so offended like you?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 11:48 PM
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which is why many women who have the option to not partner with men don't do it. Which women in the west don't have that option?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 11:37 PM
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Accusations are not evidence I'm not accusing you. I'm telling you to atleast address the points made in the post. How is that an accusation? and apparently it’s not only false, but offensive Too bad she's dead so you can't send her death threats like other women did.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 11:14 PM
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It also completely contradicts the other stereotype around here That's because those posts are made by different people with different ideas.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 11:10 PM
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As an example, boys were often substantially removed from women’s influence at 8-9 to either go into trade From 0-7 years old is when children are the most susceptible to social conditioning. Even Hitler said if you give me a child before the age of 7, I'll give you the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 11:09 PM
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Does that quote make you wanna buy the book?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 11:06 PM
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I’m not going to buy her book. You don't need to. Just google a pdf version or look up some quotes from it. There's a reason women sent her death threats for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 03:04 PM

You could atleast try to address something i wrote in the post. It's not like its literally gibberish. Surely you understand something in the post, even if you disagree. I even gave you examples of how women manipulate men in my comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 03:02 PM
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Receipts please Since you kind of sound like one of the people who sent Esther vilar death threats, I recommend you read 'The Manipulated Man'. Just look up some quotes first or something. I think you'll love it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 02:46 PM
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Just because someone says something doesn’t make it real or true Well it does in this case, because it actually is.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 02:34 PM
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could you please answer my other questions? Okay. What specific ways are women manipulating men, that you are finding so offensive? I don't find it offensive. I'm just making an observation about the world. Women manipulate men through doing things like setting standards of behaviour which benefit women, and they've also been conditioned to use sex to get what they want from men. This is all manipulation. In what specific ways are mothers manipulating their sons, that fathers are not? Well, moth…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 02:26 PM
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Esther vilar doesn’t define or create reality, Youre right. She just describes it accurately. even though you really need her to to support your worldview. Its not my fault an intelligent woman also sees things the way i do and describes it well.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 01:53 PM
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Honor is defined by and enforced by men, not women Not according to my research and what I've heard from women like Esther Vilar.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 01:20 PM
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Plus men had a head start in controlling women On one level, yes. But also, every man who grew up to oppress women was once a little child mostly nurtured by his mother. So the mother had to have played a role, that's what being a nurturer is.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 01:03 PM
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Why did you label this as a debate when you added no position about which we could do so? I didn't. The mods did. What's your point? My point is men have been manipulated by women. Also, when I mentioned teachers I meant kindergarten and preschool teachers, which are mostly women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 12:59 PM

It doesn’t, that’s why I’m asking you to explain it What exactly are you confused about? If want to post on a debate form, at least actually answer comments with evidence or reason The evidence is in the post and in having a look at reality. The quote about honour by Esther Vilar is a great example. I'm even using words from a woman as evidence. But the thing is you're triggered by the post so you ask questions which you know the answer to. You know how women manipulate men, especially if you're…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 12:57 PM

This is why Esther Vilar wrote 'The Manipulated Man' and this is basically what she says.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 11:50 AM

They're not all broke. Most of them see themselves as "traditional" women who need a man to pay to prove he'll be able to provide, even though thats ridiculous. The others are just conceited, so they think that a man should pay to spend time with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 11:49 AM

You sound like the people who sent her death threats after she wrote it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 11:47 AM

Just for the record Esther Vilar's book was written as a joke. Do you have some evidence to support this statement?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 11:39 AM

If someone is really into you them having to pay for themselves isn’t a turn off. Exactly. That's the point. The fact that some women see it as a turn off means they're not really into their dates. All my other OLD experiences were forgettable and boring. What's OLD?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 10:31 AM

“if you want equality pay for your meal.” I guess they don't want equality. Hopefully they enjoy being less equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 10:19 AM

I know it makes you feel better to think that but it's just not true. Even asking the average woman will show you that they expect men to pay.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 10:18 AM

do you think women caring about money is bad? When it comes to dating, yes. Because they end up using men for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 10:04 AM

This sounds made up to be honest Oh yeah. Women expecting men to pay on dates is totally made up...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 09:52 AM

no one wants to date a leech Tell that to women who expect men to pay for dates and to provide for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 09:39 AM

And most men would break up with their gf if she got fat or aged badly. Notice how you're not disagreeing with the post.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 08:45 AM
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But your comment said they were?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 11:26 PM
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The guys that are jealous are right and I affirm their feelings because despite all of that I wouldn't take any of it back. You need to get some self respect man. Crazy abusive relationships are basically the height of romantic passion. For the mentally ill.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 11:46 AM
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You really need to change your mentality.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 11:44 AM
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Leaders and protectors of who? And why??
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 11:43 AM
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Because you also wear makeup, you can't accept the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 10:11 AM
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You literally asked that question.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 07:21 AM
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Okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 07:20 AM
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What?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 07:12 AM
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It's almost like saying wearing shoes is a sign of being soft and weak b/c people aren't able to tough it out. It really isn't like saying that. Shoes protect your feet, makeup is just for vanity and the stage.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 05:43 AM
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It doesn’t make you better than anyone else. Ofcourse not. Insecurity and immaturity don't make anyone less than anyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 02:03 AM
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I don't. And I can still make observations about psychological children who do.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 02:02 AM
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Yeah, because they're psychological children. Downvotes don't change this.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 02:00 AM
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Yeah, because they're insecure. That's the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 01:49 AM
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We're told to be feminine By who? And why do you let other people tell you how to be?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 01:48 AM
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Yeah, you were, which is why you asked "do you think women wear makeup 24/7?".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 01:47 AM
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And so they basically wear it 24/7, to answer your dumb question.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 01:46 AM
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you're full of it. Youre claiming make up doesn't make people look different and yet other people are full of it? Zero self awareness.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 01:45 AM
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Youre lying and you know it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 01:44 AM
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Can you read??
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 01:44 AM
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Are women Christmas trees?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 01:42 AM
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It’s a creative outlet, Yeah, for children.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 01:41 AM
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This may surprise you but social media is toxic. So anything anyone does on there means nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 01:40 AM
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I don't know any intelligent person who equates showering with makeup. Thats so dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 01:39 AM
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Do women not have free will?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 01:38 AM
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So it wearing nice clothes and nice shoes, getting haircuts, and skincare. Makeup and clothes are 2 different things. Its unintelligent to say they're the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 01:38 AM
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If its true its true.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 01:37 AM
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maybe you should try doing your makeup since you’re so pressed about other people wearing it. I prefer the way i look naturally.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 01:36 AM
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So you'd rather approach random women and inflate their egos than be single?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 11:29 PM
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There is no proof people behaved solely based on their environment. That's not what I said but okay. I’ll keep critisizing any of your comments Have fun. and you’re butthurt that IQ’s are lower for your own peopl Okay?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 01:32 AM

Also interests of men are more focused on the world rather then on themselves (why - IDK). Because they're less self-centered.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 12:33 AM

because the man is supposed to be a partial parent figure for her, not the other way around. Why? Why does an adult woman need a partial parent figure? men are expected to be the protectors and providers, It's 2023. If you're a woman and can't provide and protect yourself and need a man for that, you're a psychological child. Masculine and responsible men who can look after their women are highly respected. Are women children or something that need looking after?? Also, you do realise that all t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 12:26 AM
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humans behave in consistant patterns because we were born that way Again, people's behaviour is largely based on the way their minds have been conditioned. Could you provide sources and links for those sources to support your assertion that the ”vast majority of human behaviour is due to condutioning”, as you stated. No, I don't really care to prove it to you that much. But I bet you if you google it and do some research, you'll see that I'm right. For example: https://richwoman.co/how-social-co…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 09:45 PM
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Not really. I'm not suggesting men wait for anyone or anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 12:41 PM
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Very few things about female behaviour (or male behaviour) are due to conditioning. The vast majority of human behaviour is due to conditioning. This is basic psychology. You sound like a weird left-wing activist. Okay? Why would approaching a woman have any relation to needing a womans approval? Why would you approach a woman if you don't want her to like you or to get her approval? How many women have you cold approached in real life in the past 12 months. None. Because I don't need to do that…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 12:35 PM
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Are you still getting laid? Is this what life is all about to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 12:12 PM
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Your comment just tells me you didn't actually read the post. Women really don’t want men to know how passive they are, so they do things here and there to obscure this. So what? Men NOT approaching women just simply wouldn’t work due to women’s Biologically in-built Passivity. This only matters to you if you still need women's approval. Also, the passivity is due to conditioning, not biology. Then they spend hours upond hours moaning and complaining every week Which part of my post is moaning a…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 12:09 PM
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ofc you could be offended and bitter about others treating you the same way you treat others.. You don't know me so you don't really know how I treat others.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 10:35 AM
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we went on a date and they immediately expected sex or texted “come over” at 2 AM They can't all have done that. I don’t really want to boost anyone else’s ego lol Exactly. Which is why it's a good idea for men to stop as well since women constantly get their egos boosted by men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 04:14 AM
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I would never open up a serious talk about substance use with a roundabout line like that. Maybe that's why you're not giving substance use talks.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 02:16 AM
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Did anyone else thing that yours rant about self-respect counts as "dating advice?" "Learn to write more clearly". Especially when you start out by assuming dating is something NO man should do? I didn't say dating. I said approaching and chasing. There's a difference. I have some drug tips, don't do them." That's a pretty good tip.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 02:09 AM
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Learn to write more clearly. It's clear enough for everyone else who read it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 01:59 AM
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Yeah babe, surely the women you have been asking out will suddenly be asking YOU out if you just stop. Is that what the post is saying? Read the first paragraph of the post.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 01:51 AM
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As a 25 year old woman who is conventionally attractive, I quite literally have not been approached or asked on a date in months and months. Well, you can always be the one to take the initiative.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 01:31 AM
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I don't see any sources for "men care about women as people but women don't care about men as people" I'm pretty sure I only said women don't really care about men as people. YOUR entire post are assumptions that aren't even true. Like what?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 12:50 AM
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Yes because mostmodern relationships aren't real relationships So why should men bother? what would actually be beneficial is if men grew a pair and stopped throwing attention at anything with tits or ass. What would be beneficial is to stop approaching and chasing women in general. I personally wouldn't because I believe in traditional gender roles. This is why men should stop.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 12:37 AM
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Do a tiny bit of research and you'll reliase just how important relationships are in human life. Okay, but so what? Most people in relationships are unhappy. normal straight men are attracted to and want a good women to spend their life with. They're not gonna find one by chasing and approaching women. All this does is inflate women's egos, which is why many think they're better than men. If you have such a problem with men not chasing and approaching women then you should start chasing and appr…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 12:26 AM
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men and women need each others in relationships For what? Stop trying to push this agenda of men not needing women Its not an agenda. Men actually don't need women. I just think this type of advice is stupid and fueling the loneliness epidemic The "loneliness epidemic" is happening because men are trying to escape from being alone, rather than facing it and realising that a woman can't make them happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 12:17 AM
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do you think they'll just fly into your laps? Even if they don't, it doesn't matter. That's the point. I don't have to "care" about something to point out it's idiocy, it's just terrible advice Ofcourse you think this. If men stopped approaching that means you stop getting attention and your ego stroked.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 12:12 AM
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"If you want to be rich just stop working" I didn't say "if you want a girlfriend just stop chasing women". So this doesn't work. stupidest advice I've ever heard. Why do you care if men stop approaching women?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 11:42 PM
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Well, I guess you can call it what you like.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 11:34 PM
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Your entire response is just assumptions that aren't even true.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 11:32 PM
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You're not going to be more likely to get anything if you just give up. It's not about giving up. It's about realising that women don't really care about men, generally speaking. Once a self-respecting man realises this, he naturally stops chasing and approaching women or caring about relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 04:35 PM
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An individual doing it would solely make his own life worse. Men who have done it don't regret doing it, myself included. Why would it make life worse?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 04:32 PM
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Please reread the post so you can understand what you're responding to.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 01:16 AM

Why does the idea of not approaching women bother you so much?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 12:48 AM
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So you just assumed alot of stuff that's not even remotely true.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 07:25 PM

The point is men should stop approaching women. Whether you end up approaching men or not doesn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 07:16 PM
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Telling of what? Telling as in revealing. Coercing someone to do something isnt right.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 02:51 PM
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If your friend coerces you into helping him move without paying you, is it slavery? It's very telling that you used the word 'coerces'.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 02:40 PM
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Perhaps it's an American thing? Maybe, but I live in Australia and I've had that experience. Even when asked many women say they don't like it when a man splits the bill.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 01:45 PM
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Who are these women who don't go Dutch? Some of them are probably the women downvoting this post. I was paying my share of dates when I was single and that was 15 years ago! Well, times have changed I guess because many women actually don't like paying their share.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 01:12 PM
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You should read your comment while looking in the mirror so you can see how absurd what you said is.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 12:49 PM
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what you get in return is her time, attention, vulnerability, and a chance to get to know another human. This is what she also gets from me. if you want a transactional relationship, don't date. If a woman cares about who pays on a date then she's the one making it transactional.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 12:48 PM
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all I can offer is that this kind of reactionary thinking is not going to work well for you. It actually works out well. I easily weed out the superficial women by splitting the bill.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 12:46 PM
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Hahahaha that's ridiculous. If that's the case then your mere presence should be enough compensation for her as well. Otherwise you have no self respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 12:25 PM
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who cares if she's interested? You do, that's why you'd be on a date with her. What matters is if you are interested in her. You shouldn't be interested in her if how she feels about the date depends on whether or not you pay. Unless you get off on being used by women ofcourse.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 12:24 PM
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Womens psychology like mens is intrinsically linked to their physiology and sexual niche. It's all just social programming. Nobody is born entitled. Women are intrinsically valued for their ability to procreate and other epiphenomenon like the urges and expectations to provide for them are just post hoc rationalizations stemming from that. Yeah, because people like you just go along with the nonsense and don't even question it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 11:48 AM
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Not really. You don't seem to understand the fact that if how the woman you're on a date with feels about you is dependent on you paying, this means she isn't genuinely interested in you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 11:42 AM
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You as a male have 0 intrinsic worth. Speak for yourself. If you believe you have no intrinsic worth then that's just sad. Women are human beings men are human doings and all that jazz. No. Both are human beings, and they both also do stuff. You will never convince women to give up their expectations that are biologically wired This just tells me you don't understand basic psychology. Nobody is "wired" to be entitled to having strangers spend money on them. It's called conditioning.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 10:55 AM
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Its a joke you idiot. It's pretty hilarious. You pay because it makes the date more enjoyable for the person you are on a date with. So if you don't pay she enjoys herself less? Why? Is she there for you or the free food? it reflects well on you to not be such a selfish fuck you won't pay for a meal What does it say about your date that she expects you to pay and if you don't she has less fun? Isn't a person who expects people to spend money on them entitled and selfish? What does it say about h…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 09:10 AM
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This has been a thing even before the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 07:53 AM
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Good.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 06:57 AM
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Surely you see the difference between a man being impressed by how a woman looks and who she is as a person.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 06:55 AM
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We already impressed the guy. No, your physical appearance did.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 06:53 AM
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The point is the payment, not the amount.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 06:33 AM
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Are you now saying she owes you for saying yes to a date with you? Please reread the post.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 06:31 AM
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no, that's what the money is for Exactly. Which is why they pay for dates as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 06:30 AM
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if he doesn't want to pay i will just pay for myself. So why not just pay for yourself to begin with rather than behaving like a beggar?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 06:29 AM
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but given present reality it's not wrong to want men to give in the only way they are comfy. Then they will expect something in return. This is basic psychology money is the only way most men in our culture feel comfortable showing love. Men also spend money on prostitutes, do you think they love them?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 06:23 AM
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Okay, that doesn't change the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 06:22 AM
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lmfao we are talking about $20 And yet you depend on strangers for it...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 06:21 AM
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then he shouldn't ask me out. You can just say "no" to the date... yes and i want men who aren't impressed by me to not ask me out. Amazing. i don't feel that way at all. Ofcourse not. There isn't enough awareness in you to see it. You're too focused on getting free food. Parasites don't feel like they're parasites.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 06:12 AM
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It kinda does, since she's behaving like an escort by requiring payment.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 06:10 AM
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i have no idea if i like him And he has no idea if he likes you either. You're in the same position, except you expect him to spend money on you. men from apps who i have never met before ( So you expect strangers to buy you food on dates? if he doesn't like me he wouldn't ask me out. If you didn't like him, you wouldn't say yes. Unless ofcourse you're just using him for free food, which seems like the case. i'm aware i don't impress men and those men don't pursue me. And yet you expect men to i…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 06:07 AM
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many people are able to find joy and fulfillment in giving something without needing the same thing given in return. Yeah, but the problem is women expecting it. It's interesting how women don't seem to find joy in giving through paying for dates, instead they expect men to give, and they just take. Also, a man who goes on dates often doesn't pay for dates for all those women because he finds joy in it. The reality is he does it to increase his chances of getting laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 06:02 AM
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A date is not an appointment with an escort. Which is why it's strange that some women expect some form of payment for going on a date.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 05:27 AM
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However you should never expect sex just because you paid for dinner. Understanding how the human mind works will show you that if someone spends money, they will naturally expect something in return. This is just how humans work. f you want to date someone, get this weird transactional mindset out of your head. I'm not sure you read and understood my post. You are giving a gift It's not a gift if a woman expects it and how she feels about a man depends on whether he pays or not. gift is given f…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 05:18 AM
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I just don't think a man is taking the date seriously if he doesn't want to take me to dinner. Why do you need to be "taken" to dinner? If you genuinely like a guy, why do you have a problem with paying your own share? I know that if I was a woman he wanted to impress, What are you doing to impress him? You want to be impressed, but do nothing to impress. The cost of going out and meeting a man is very high for me personally Then just don't date, rather than expecting strangers to spend money on…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 05:14 AM
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and two people can move toward a shared vision without a leader. Unfortunately many women want men to lead and take charge, because the dont want to take responsibility. So ultimately, women play themselves. I've had women tell me I'm not a real man because I don't want to lead them, or any woman for that matter. These are usually "traditional" women. As long as most women think like this and expect a man to provide and always take the initiative, obviously men are gonna want something in return…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 04:45 AM
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I'm not a dermatologist but it seems to me like it would be better to just not put artificial chemicals on your face, especially when you have acne. There's actually some harmful chemicals in many of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 04:43 PM
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Says you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 02:46 PM
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Let that acne come thruuu The makeup probably doesn't make the acne any better.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 02:45 PM
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Says the woman claiming makeup makes no difference. That's so absurd it's laughable.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 03:31 AM
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It obviously does. Lying about it is just absurd. Women wouldn't wear makeup if it didn't have any impact on how they look. Denying this just makes me not take you seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 02:32 AM
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Yeah, because it makes you look different.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 11:57 PM
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The authenticity shines through. It shines through even better when she's natural.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 03:18 PM
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Which means he was attracted to how you look naturally, not with makeup on.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 02:58 PM
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Yes I do Why? How do you have such beef with an inanimate object is your burden alone. Pointing out that makeup is fake isn't having beef with it. It's just an observation.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 02:20 PM
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You attract men who are into inauthentic women who wear masks basically.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 02:18 PM
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No, you don't. The fact is make up enhances your appearance and makes you appear more attractive than you really are. Thats why you wear it and are so attached to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 02:14 PM
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Because it makes no difference. Why spend money on something that makes no difference? That's clearly ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 02:12 PM
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Nah, men are the oldest children in the house, and they have to take care of women, according to women and society.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 02:12 PM
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Ofcourse. People are free to keep being fake if they like, all that ends up happening is they attract other fake people.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 02:11 PM
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I'm sure you know that makeup and clothes aren't the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 02:10 PM
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You think I’m going to face clients with blemishes? I don't think wear makeup and rarely ever have blemishes.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 02:09 PM
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it's a form of expression. That doesn't make it not fake or a pretence. Its essentially a mask.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 02:08 PM
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That doesn't make it not fake or a pretence.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 02:07 PM
0

What’s wrong with that? You were trying to actile women do t wear makeup often.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 02:06 PM
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So then by implication many women are essentially children mentally Yes, many are.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 02:05 PM
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Makeup is fake, just face it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 02:05 PM
1

None of that changes the way I look. So why waste your time and money on it?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 02:04 PM
1

The desire to achieve social status is out of insecurity and vanity.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 02:04 PM
1

Why should it be free with all the risk women take on Why would any woman go on date when she feels there's a risk? Is that what you do? And is that why you expect payment for your time?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 04:35 AM
1

Which makes you a Jon. You want payment for your time, which makes you a sex worker basically.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 04:34 AM
1

Based on your comments, how are you any different from a sex worker? You both want payment for your time, so what's the difference, apart from the sex worker being more honest and self aware?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 04:24 AM
1

The sad thing about you is you equate worth with money, which is an indication that you feel empty inside.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 04:23 AM
1

I can buy my own silly Then why don't you?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 04:22 AM
1

When you’re truly self sufficient validation comes from within. How are you self sufficient when you depend on men to pay for your food?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 04:21 AM
1

Grown men offer. And what do grown women do?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 04:19 AM
1

You’re clearly used to erm…low class women. In your attempt to insult him, you just insulted all the women who are independent and prefer paying their own way by calling them low class. On one hand you say men are pathetic and yet you depend on them to pay for you. No self awareness at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 04:12 AM
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