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Actual average like 50th percentile or what women consider average so just outside the top 20%?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 02:29 AM
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How did farming go from the majority of the country’s labor to the a tiny minority? Because we automated the repetitive parts. Why is manufacturing a dying industry? It isn't. A lot has left the US because of cheaper labor elsewhere, but there is plenty of manufacturing that still requires a lot of labor. Why is it so hard to talk to a human when calling a company? As I said, computing is better at replacing people sitting in front of a computer. What do you think will happen when self driving c…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 11:50 PM
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If you limit your definition of autism to those who are partially non-verbal, then yes you're right. But you have a bunch of guys who aren't that type of autism who still struggle with dating. On the other hand, "bad social skills" of not reading people well is not a bad thing for guys in terms of dating success so long as they're extroverted and their misreads are assuming there is mutual attraction when the women is not actually showing any signs.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 11:07 PM
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Yes, I have worked with machines and computers that attempt to replace human labor. They do very, very, poorly at any job with many novel tasks or that requires feedback from the surroundings. If you want to make exactly the same weld on exactly the same model car frame a thousand times per day they're great. If you want a robot to help someone get dressed in the morning we are nowhere near that technology. Advances in AI and computing are better suited at replacing jobs that exist purely in fro…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 11:02 PM
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Yes, I'm sure a population with majority seniors will vote to end benefits for seniors... You should read the OP, it goes over a bunch of this stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 10:56 PM
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Very true, but it's not something you can just label as "social skills". There's a subset of people who would get commonly labeled as being on the spectrum who don't really lack "social skills" as far as reading others' behavior, they're just introverted. These men still struggle because, obligatory not all women, most women are very turned off by certain behaviors that are coded as feminine.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 10:55 PM
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Agreeable is not the same as not having opinions or wants, it's more about how comfortable you are causing conflict with someone else. And the distress about things being a certain way is a somewhat different aspect of what we call autism.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 10:51 PM
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Autism is like 3 or 4 different things all lumped together. The most mild version is just men with personalities we stereotype as feminine, being more introverted and more agreeable. That's why there's so much bad data about women being partially on the spectrum: we don't pathologize women acting feminine.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 09:52 PM
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Did you read all of the OP?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 09:49 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 08:31 PM
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Visit any assisted living facility. The societal problem isn't that your children won't visit you, it's that there won't be people to work in the assisted living facilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 08:09 PM
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Lots of responses in this thread from people who didn't read the OP beyond the title...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 08:07 PM
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Are you volunteering to be one of the people killed off at 65 so the overall population is small enough for the amount of labor?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 08:06 PM
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The controlled gender pay gap is $0.99 for every $1 men make, which is still not equal. The controlled pay gap tells us what women earn compared to men when all compensable factors are accounted for — such as job title, education, experience, industry, job level, and hours worked.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 02:49 AM
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Women are still paid less for the same exact job role. Not if you also factor years of experience and hours worked per week. Even less if you account for willingness to change jobs seeking a higher salary.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 12:48 AM
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I think one of the more important but not talked about changes in modern society, at least in the US, is the growing distinction between class in terms of what people own and class in terms of what people do. At the highest and lowest levels not much is different, you have wealth elites at the top who control large sections of the economy's wealth and basically don't have to work, and people at the bottom who work as minimally skilled labor and own basically nothing. It's in the middle that thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 04:29 AM
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So same logic for women and household chores, right? Women are more accustomed to doing them, so they should do more than 50% of them in couples?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 07:34 PM
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The 20% accounts for that. For individual women it's only like 5% of guys that are attractive, but because different women have different tastes 20% of guys will be in that top 5% for at least some of the 80% of women with standards like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 03:46 AM
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Because women have the option to avoid it. Men having "lower rejection sensitivity" is about as sexist as claiming household chores are just more enjoyable / less tedious for women and that's why women should do more of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 10:22 PM
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If the share of women outearning their husbands has decreased over the last 10 years, the trend of more women outearning their husbands has indeed slowed down.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 12:18 AM
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This you? with no signs of it slowing down I'd assume a flip in the direction of the trend over the last 10 years counts as "slowing down"...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 12:16 AM
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Peach fuzz and nose ring, they could be twins...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 05:02 AM
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Strawman harder.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 04:57 AM
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Show Parent Comments. This just shows you don't understand what IQ is. In America, the best gauge of intelligence is your bank account. I'm glad your boyfriend took my side then. Who takes IQ tests anymore? You have to be neurotic to even seek one out. Who says anyone is seeking one out? The discussion is on behavioral research, it's people signing up for the random study and then the researchers give them the IQ test.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 04:56 AM
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It's amazing how you responded exclusively to strawmen you yourself made up and ignored everything I actually said.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 02:23 AM
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Your point is that you cannot make an argument and need me to do the research and make it for you? No thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 02:15 AM
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Btw, The inventor of the IQ test was a eugenicist As was the founder of planned parenthood, that doesn't mean abortion doesn't exist. What is your argument with the link dump? The first one was paywalled and the second just stated that people of both high and low IQ will opt for a simple-but-wrong answer instead of rigorously problem solving. That is an issue with tests, but a good IQ test will not have this as an issue. That's why so many deal with shapes and pattern recognition, to avoid these…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 01:12 AM
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Being a fan and meeting other people due to some sort of fan events are two very different things. A majority of true crime viewers are women, that doesn't mean you'll meet any women by sitting at home watch true crime shows. The crowds at sports bars or random fantasy football leagues are way more male-dominated, especially when limited to single people. It's no wonder red pill influencers do so well when this is what passes for competing advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 12:38 AM
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Lol. California has a calculator, you can put in 50-50 custody split and see it still includes child support payments to the parent with a lower income.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 12:30 AM
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IQ tests only measure mathematical aptitude and verbal recall. Nope, "recall" has no bearing on IQ and honestly any math involved is very rudimentary and necessary for any logic problem. The dictionary definition of "Intelligence" is: "The ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills." Yes, this is what IQ measures. If you fail to apply knowledge in real-life, it becomes useless. There are plenty of high IQ people and savants who are detached from reality, and have trouble functioning in so…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 12:18 AM
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You can change the definition of "intelligent" to mean what you want I guess, but that is meaningless unless you have a reliable test for it. We have huge amounts of data and studies showing IQ is a thing and that it correlates with success in many different measures better than anything else we can reliably measure. Claiming IQ is a bad measure of intelligence is going against established science somewhere between believing climate change is a hoax and believing the earth is flat.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 07:34 PM
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A better gauge of intelligence would be through observing conduct in real-life scenarios. If that's a better gauge then we ought to have a test like that with better predictive power than IQ tests. But we don't. How & where you apply intelligence is more important than how much you retain. Yes, that's the point behind IQ tests, they measure your ability to apply intelligence rather than just what you have retained from previous study.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 06:43 PM
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Who says IQ tests are flawed? They are basically the least flawed of anything we can test.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 05:02 PM
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The difference with IQ is that it is the only aspect of intelligence we can consistently measure. The other things we think might exist as traits, but we have no scientific proof they are anything other than IQ and what a person spends their time practicing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 03:23 PM
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A good IQ test is impossible to study for. IQ is something like "working memory", how well a person can identify patterns, how much new information they can keep in their head at once, how quickly they can process new information. The high IQ people weren't the ones spending all their time studying, they were the ones who didn't need to study, they just listened in class and understood the material.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 03:15 PM
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Women today can produce enough for themselves Student loan debt says otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 08:12 PM
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Suddenly they think all males are dangerous pervs All, or just some so it's good to be careful? I guess women think all women are lying gold-diggers based on the advice they give their sons on what to watch out for.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 07:57 PM
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Exactly. If you start off hugely misogynistic and automatically add in assumptions that make women look bad to whatever those women say, then you don't need the other parts spelled out.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 07:52 PM
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Women have agency How dare you say the most anti-feminist thing imaginable.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 04:15 PM
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The blue pill trolls on here get big mad when they can't get the last word in. Remember, they can tell you you're wrong but it's harassment if you respond.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 07:23 PM
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But it does reduce appetite and we know it has these side effects, which was the original question. Your post wasn't necessarily wrong, just irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 07:23 PM
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Yes medications are complex, but that doesn't mean lowering appetite is a poor characterization of what they do: Semaglutide and other GLP-1 medications mimic the function of a hormone called glucagon-like peptide 1. In response to the rise in blood sugar you experience after eating a meal, GLP-1 receptor agonists like Ozempic help the pancreas produce more insulin to keep blood sugar levels from spiking. There are GLP-1 receptors in the brain that when stimulated result in a decrease in appetit…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 07:15 PM
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I guess body fat estimates and published papers on how measures like waist to height ratio are better than BMI now count as "bro science". The study said higher BMI correlates with more sex for men, I'm not disputing that, just proposing a mechanism for why that might be the case. Also making a fact-based argument to back that up. You're stating a different reason why that is neither backed up in the study nor backed up by any argument you yourself make, it's just an assumption you have to fit a…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 07:04 PM
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So you can point to where in the data it says these overweight men having more sex was independent of body fat levels, and didn't just occur in taller, more muscular men? Or is that just an assumption you made to fit a narrative in your head?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 06:23 PM
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Oh yeah. The current "obesity drugs" just lower appetite. So when people continue to choose foods with high calories relative to essential nutrients, the drugs cause symptoms of malnutrition. So people lose weight but keep relatively high body fat percentages, and keep the long term health risks while gaining better BMI metrics.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 06:16 PM
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Most overweight guys not being fit does not invalidate what I said. The key is whether BMI is wrong about the men having the most sex, which is exactly the group it is most likely to be wrong about in this fashion. The flaws of BMI aren't some magical thing beyond our comprehension, we know what the issues are: It measures weight per height squared but as 3 dimensional object our weight actually varies proportional to height cubed. So BMI is artificially high in tall people and artificially low …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 06:11 PM
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This is just more evidence that BMI overestimates being overweight in men but not in women. For men, being overweight increased sexual activity but being obese lowered chances, and being more active increased chances. So who are those men who are "overweight" according to BMI but not obese and are more active? The men who are taller and more muscular of course, which is exactly who you would predict to have the most sexual activity, especially among single men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 05:59 PM
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I've used Hinge, looking for relationship. I don't use it that much, only send 1-2 likes per day when I'm using it actively and will go months without sending any. Haven't had any success on the likes I send out. However, I have had dates including one woman I dated for about a month from women who sent likes to me. Have a date from the app set up for later this week. Pretty sure my profile is only shown when I'm more active, the likes I receive come after changing a photo or starting to send li…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 04:49 PM
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It's a bunch of young men looking for male role models who are the opposite of their fathers, because they see how their mothers treats their fathers and want exactly the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 03:04 PM
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Depending on where she is in the country it's not that rare. I would say somewhere around a third of the couples I see under 40 have the woman 20-30 pounds heavier, even though the man is taller and therefore ought to weigh more at the same build.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 11:41 PM
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If she was American, part of the issue is that there are more fit men than fit women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 09:44 PM
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I mean, if you count 40% of women as hot and only 10% of men as above average, then of course average men with hot women is common.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 01:24 AM
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I've volunteered at the local food bank, some nights/days are open for anyone to sign up and others they might have a corporate group or church group or other organization volunteer where they are the only people there. So if a women-only professional society signed up that event would be only women. Habitat for Humanity does some days that are specifically "women's builds" where only women can come. I've done both of those organizations as an individual and a bunch of others through a corporate…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 10:22 PM
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Not in my experience, at least not open volunteering events. Maybe there are enough women-only events or women-only groups that volunteer to counteract this.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 03:49 PM
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Again, not as much the case for those who can support a family on a single paycheck.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 11:08 PM
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Most careers that can sustain a family on a single income require well more than 8 hours per day. And again, I doubt the person staying home is truly working "all day every day", it's just that the other spouse isn't there to see them lounging around during the day. Maybe they spend that much time if they are very poorly skilled about raising kids and spend way more time than they need to picking up after them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 10:24 PM
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The problem is the boys see how their mother treats their father. The boys don't want a relationship that looks like their parents' so they aren't going to model themselves after their fathers.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 09:53 PM
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Lol, you think people get paid for their lunch break? I live alone and do all my own chores, I know they are way less work than actually going to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 09:49 PM
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Because men are not as strict in their beauty standards for women as women are for each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 09:46 PM
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People mostly ask as a "gotcha" to convince themselves online dating is their best option. One major problem of online dating is that there are more men than women, so the women can be picky and still have options. Tinder is probably the worst, but even more relationship-focused apps like Hinge are 60% men to 40% women. The trouble for guys is all these great examples of meeting people in person are 3 men for every woman, especially if you filter down to single people. Of course these places wil…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 09:43 PM
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I believe the person doing less total hours of work is more lazy. You need creative accounting of only looking at what gets done when the working spouse is home to counter that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 09:34 PM
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I think Fox News being the largest news station in the US says a lot. It's not. NBC, ABC, and CBS are all way bigger. Fox News is the largest "cable" news network, but even then some of it's size is due to being the only cable network on the right compared to CNN and MSNBC splitting viewers on the left. Hell, I'd bet more people get their "news" from SNL than get it from Fox News.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 09:32 PM
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And I told you why, and you just ignored what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 04:31 PM
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Just look at who buys commercials on each side. The left gets funded by the richest and most powerful companies on the planet, the right gets funded by fruits and veggies in pill form, gold scams, and the pillow guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 04:23 PM
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Well, when you aren't providing any facts or logic for me to argue against, what am I supposed to do?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 04:12 PM
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You think couples do decide this?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 01:44 AM
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You got any stats for that? The issue for men is that they store more fat around their waists than women at the same body fat percentages, but we have data saying despite this women on average have wider waists relative to their heights.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 01:42 AM
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Yes, I don't believe any couple out there says, "you know what would be nice, if one of us worked like 10 fewer hours over the course of the week then blamed the one who worked more for not doing enough chores".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 01:40 AM
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why is it too much to ask that he continues with that level of upkeep? Because he's being asked to feed, clothe, house, and provide for a full other functioning adult. If that single guy was willing to rent out his house for a roommate he could certainly afford a cleaning service to not have to clean his own house. Oh, and you ignored this part: Second, this is where the extreme levels of cleanliness come into play. Thinking that a house with multiple young kids needs to be spotless and not have…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 08:43 PM
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Those women that are living longer were less fat than the men when they were younger. The young women today are fatter than the young men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 08:33 PM
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Strong sign that for a lot of the "high functioning" end of the spectrum it's more a societal taboo than an actual disorder. If you stigmatize being left handed you get a bunch of people who were left handed as kids but "grew out of it" as they learned to adapt to societal expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 02:20 AM
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women store less fat in the belly than men Men average a lower waist-to-height ratio, 0.587 for men vs 0.609 for women. their lower life expectancy Lagging statistic. The excess fat on women currently 25-45 could drop their life expectancy by 5 years but we won't know it for another couple decades. Also, life expectancy in general is more strongly influenced by outliers, so the gap is more due to the fact that men are more likely to die from suicide, addiction, and alcoholism (deaths of despair)…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 02:12 AM
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First off, not all the examples have kids. Second, this is where the extreme levels of cleanliness come into play. Thinking that a house with multiple young kids needs to be spotless and not have mess around is insane. If you're that concerned then you need to keep the kids in a smaller area so it's less to clean, instead of letting their mess go all across the house. For whose benefit is the clean house? So the dad can see fewer toys on the ground when after being gone for likely 10+ hours with…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 01:56 AM
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a person has to be a pro athlete or on steroids to gain so much muscle mass to place them in a high BMI of obesity Who said obesity? The claim I was responding to included people who were just overweight, which is way easier to get to with just height and muscle mass. In fact excess fat on women is less dangerous than for men. Yes, but the percentages are not that different and tend to get dwarfed by higher muscle mass for men. women tend to carry this excess fat in their thighs, hips, and breas…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 01:45 AM
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One of two things happens: One partner actually does spend 8 hours per day cleaning, which is as much an anxiety issue as needing to save money with a $800k income The stay at home partner does not actually clean that much and expects the working partner to spend way more hours per week working between paid work and chores.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 10:02 PM
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Right, it's like if a guy needs to have p*rn on in the background to orgasm when with his partner, no woman would ever feel self-conscious or shame that behavior... /s
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 10:00 PM
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If it's not cleanliness standards then it's resentment from the stay-at-home partner being selfish and lounging around...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 09:56 PM
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Any of the threads where a stay-at-home partner claims they clean and run errands for 8+ hours a day so the working partner needs to take on more chores when they get home. It's cleaning every room in the house every day in a fairly large house to get it to take that much time.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 09:51 PM
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I would agree with you if men weren't similarly shamed for reasonable cleanliness standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 09:42 PM
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You brought up the BMI statistic. Yes, most men are in that 60% of actually overweight. That doesn't mean there are enough fit women out there for all the fit men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 09:41 PM
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If not they'd have to ban half the women on here...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 09:20 PM
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How is "feeling" about spending any different than "feeling" about cleaning? Everyone has a level that is "good enough" for them, but get anxious when the household doesn't match that level. When a man's level of "good enough" for cleaning falls below the woman's level, he needs to spend a bunch of time matching her effort. When a woman's level of "good enough" for saving money falls below the man's standard, he needs to work on his anxiety over spending vs saving money. Women in general are sma…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 09:16 PM
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I ignore these because the cases like it I know of I can look back at their wedding pics from 10+ years ago when they were more matched. The fat women with fit men are the ones still dating and not yet married.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 08:59 PM
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Going by BMI? BMI has a couple issues with it. First, it measures weight per height squared. But since humans are three-dimensional objects our weight is proportional to height cubed given the same body composition. This means a person's BMI will be artificially high if they are taller, and artificially low if they are shorter. Second, it just measures weight and does not distinguish between muscle and fat. This means people with more muscle will have artificially high BMI, and hypothetically pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 08:57 PM
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Most couples are pretty looksmatched A lot of that is looking at couples that formed a long time ago. There are a lot of couples out there with fit, normal dudes and women who are obese enough for it to negatively impact many different areas of their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 04:39 PM
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OP: "Between this one dad bod and five guys on roids which do women find most attractive?" People need to join some sports leagues and see what natural athletic builds really look like.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 03:13 AM
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Doesn't that just make it worse that women will be attracted to men in movies but go months on end without being attracted to someone they meet in real life?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 11:40 PM
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That's the fun part: with modern democrats you end up paying for her bad debt whether you marry her or not!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 02:22 AM
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Well, thanks for answering my first question at least...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 02:53 AM
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Do you honestly not understand the comparison or are you just trolling? Show me where “oh he has a degree = I’m wet” It turns out women care about more than just "what makes them wet" when deciding who to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 02:50 AM
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No my argument is simply: people aren’t math problems. People aren’t all the same. People aren’t logical. People’s moods and feeling change. Which is why “just Math it, bro” doesn’t ever work. Yes, that's a strawman. People are individuals, but if Gen Z women with college degrees want partners who also have college degrees some of them are going to be disappointed since there are just fewer men graduating college. Telling Gen Z women who graduated college that if they cannot find a similarly edu…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 01:49 AM
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Not all polls are prescriptive, some just break down how different segments of the population vote. Which is a better comparison to the men claiming there are societal inefficiencies in dating which you have straw-manned into: “solve the equation” to make a “no” into “I suddenly have the uncontrollable urge to give him a blowjob Your argument is akin to saying, "since the polling predictions were wrong before the 2016 election, you can't say Democrats do better than Republicans with voters under…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 01:35 AM
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Attraction is selling sex for sex instead of for money. I guess by your logic we can't use math for election polling data since votes aren't money...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 01:04 AM
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You can't write an equation and poof the money for a down payment on a house into existence either, you either have it or you don't. That doesn't mean we cannot have statistics on housing prices.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 12:28 AM
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Lots of fat women with fit men out there...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 10:11 PM
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When you stop thinking of this sub as about dating and start thinking about it as a hate sub against men on the spectrum, all the mod behavior starts to make more sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 10:07 PM
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This happens right now. There is a segment of women who are well above average for their age who remain single into their 30s and 40s because there aren't enough men with sufficient income/education/status to meet their standards, and most of these high achieving women are fairing good looking. The men who remain single are more likely below average. That means at the very top people will mostly be rank-matched, but for most of the population the women who do partner up will match with higher ra…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 09:58 PM
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I knew plenty of the former who were in LTR's When did they meet their partners? In my experience being more shy/reserved is a negative in the eyes of most women but not all. The women for whom it is not a deal-breaker tend to enter long-term relationships in their early 20s and the shy/reserved guys who are successful match up with those women. But there are more shy/reserved guys than there are women like this, so the guys who are leftover tend to be single for quite a while.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 04:48 AM
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Good point, just trying to get eugenicists to fully explain the system they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 07:13 PM
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Because reddit's rules are not based on scientific studies. Claiming straight people might not be straight is fine, but claiming gay people might not be 100% gay is homophobic.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 03:51 PM
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I don't know her story but just based on the picture I'd say more likely than not she is chemically enhanced, probably not a realistic model for inspiration unless you also plan on incorporating some, um, needle work into your program. I know women who are great athletes and who would have a serious hit to their goals if they ever had a positive drug test, none of them look like woman A.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 03:57 AM
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I wish I lived in a world that works the way you think this one does.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 02:08 AM
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Sexual past could be one, but I think money could be another for a lot of guys. Now I agree with most on here that guys aren't as concerned with income, but I think many are concerned with debt. If a guy was dating a girl for a while, maybe even thinking about marriage, but then learned she had over $100k in student loans and $50k in other debt, that might be a boundary if he was unwilling to take on such debt himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 01:54 AM
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the average man can't be shamed for having standards, because no one knows your standards untill you tell them. "Tell them" or just "act on them". If a woman breaks up with her boyfriend when he quits his job it's clear "having a job" is a standard for her, even if she's not broadcasting that out to the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 12:19 AM
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Big difference depending on class/income.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 11:47 PM
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I didn't say only normal women were in relationships by 25.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 11:40 PM
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If your hard-core MTGOW, yes you should date other men. Sexuality is fluid. No one is 100% gay or atraight when theyre desperate like these guys are, especially when considering there's 7 billion people out there. Imagine how quick this account would be banned if gay and straight were reversed in this comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 09:23 PM
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There's plenty of normal women out there There are, but dating is so easy for women the normal ones are almost exclusively locked into long term relationships by the time they turn 25.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 09:21 PM
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So from that same biological standpoint we should allow the men who do pass the threshold to have multiple wives, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 09:14 PM
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What's your cutoff for "disabled" in terms of social anxiety? A majority of women have high enough levels of social anxiety that they would be unable to date as men. Should we weed those women out of the gene pool too?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 08:03 PM
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Why sell when you can rent them out for more than your mortgage?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 04:57 PM
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I put the big 5 up there with the mbti, just above astrology, love languages and dnd personality axes, as popular pseudoscience This is just celebrating ignorance. The only part of the Big 5 up for debate is what we call the five factors, the general idea that personality breaks down into five factors is a statistical certainty with as much data behind it as any theory we can collect data on. It's not astrology, it's not even climate science, it's akin to whether you believe the earth is round o…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 02:21 AM
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Barbie movie was basically making fun of feminists, but the feminists didn't realize it and neither did the right wing youtubers who are so against it
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 02:46 AM
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Based comparison since the right tends to "punch up" with boycotts and cancelling while the left tends to "punch down" towards individuals. Leftists really think Big Tech and Big Pharma are funding the resistance against the real capitalist overlords, like the pillow guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 02:40 AM
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Ok, I will agree with you that women's standards for other women are stricter than "just don't be fat".
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 02:27 AM
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im not arguing what men find attractive And yet, your quote was about what men find attractive... there are thin women with thick ones Not in the absolute sense, no. Women won't all be built like a barbie doll (no woman has that extreme of genetics), but every fit woman will have a waist smaller than her hips. Maybe other women have unrealistic beauty standards for women that they will still treat her poorly, but that isn't what your quote was about.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 11:12 PM
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Touch grass in that sense is rather saying that dating in person is easier, because it removes a lot of problems and perceptions that are induced by OLD Right, this is the inaccurate part of your post. Yes, dating apps are stacked against men because of the ratio of users, but so is touching grass and going to any in-person events where you are expected to meet new people. Yes women on dating apps will select for shallow characteristics you have no control over but so will women in person.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 11:08 PM
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Often criteria that the women themselves cannot meet. So a fat woman will only date fit men, or a woman with bad debt will only date men in good financial situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 11:02 PM
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Because raising kids costs money. The older generation pays to raise the younger generation while the older generation works, and in return the younger generation supports the older generation in retirement. Child-free people want to do none of the investment, but then still receive the support when they get older.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 10:49 PM
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Not being fat grants you a good enough whr in terms of what most men find attractive. Some women have the genetics to have an hourglass figure while overweight or obese, and not all fit women will have as pronounced of figures, but every woman in the lows 20s for body fat percentage will have a figure most men find attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 10:44 PM
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Are you unable or just unwilling to read what I wrote and understand it?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 01:03 AM
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There is some incidence of a negative outcome that is different for men and women. While the relative difference is high, the absolute rate of the negative outcome is low. Does the relative difference matter? You said no, I asked if you're consistent for different types of outcomes, and you refuse to give a straight answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 01:43 AM
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Strange how women can ever pick abusive guys then if they can mind read to tell which guys have bad personalities without getting to know them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 01:40 AM
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I meant in the context of: Men recognize that a large percentage of women will filter out all but the most attractive men, but that doesn't mean they think it is the only filter. How do you know they're saying "looks are the only filter" instead of "looks are the first filter"? Because, for some fucking reason, they cannot comprehend personality being a huge factor in some succeeding or failing in dating I mean, the reason isn't all that hard: these men have only ever been rejected for their loo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 02:01 AM
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I'm sorry you cannot engage in good faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 01:26 AM
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Like, if the chance of being killed by a spouse was less than 1% for men and 8% for women, would you say that doesn't matter since the difference is only 8%?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 01:20 AM
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Not shitting myself, just stating the numbers. You made the original claim which was 100% wrong, so I corrected it. Then you've chosen to insult me for being correct? Like, if the chance of being killed by a spouse was less than 1% for men and 8% for women, would you say that doesn't matter since the difference is only 8%?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 01:01 AM
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How am I extrapolating anything? I'm just reporting the numbers. Totally fine looking at other data, but there just aren't other reports like this very often. The idea that a high relative disparity is meaningless so long as the occurrence is small relative to the total population is the laughable claim. For example, by your logic since less than 8% of people become Fortune 500 CEOs there is no issue if 100% of those CEOs are men. Or since the Fortune 500 is only one data set, it is meaningless …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 12:56 AM
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You really don't understand how statistics work, do you?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 12:44 AM
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It's the one linked in this thread: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/02/08/for-valentines-day-5-facts-about-single-americans/ For 30-49 age bracket: 17% of women are single vs 25% of men. 17 is 68% of 25, basically 2/3rds.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 12:27 AM
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The data you are talking about reaches parity. 30+ men and women are in relationships at similar percentages. No, they aren't. In the 30-49 age bracket there are still roughly 3 single men for every 2 single women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 12:21 AM
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Where are the guys claiming women only care about looks? Men recognize that a large percentage of women will filter out all but the most attractive men, but that doesn't mean they think it is the only filter. It might be the filter they are least willing to compromise on, given complaints from the women themselves about what bad personalities their partners have had.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 12:16 AM
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Short, mediocre-looking women get big mad when you suggest they date short, mediocre-looking men...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 02:19 AM
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Women want to be the smaller one in the relationship, but also like the look of fit guys more than fat guys. So as women get fatter they need taller and taller men to still have those men be bigger than them if the men are fit.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 01:30 AM
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do you exercise regularly? have a good diet? a stable income? Lol, as if that's all it took.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 04:02 PM
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Meanwhile, the actual claim you're complaining about: The women I meet are also good people, they just basically all were dating their long term partners by the time they were 25. This is the same thread where your advice is to find a partner 14 years younger that you work with, sorry, but that sounds too creepy for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 03:30 AM
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Lol, the best counter example you can come up with is "meet someone 14 years younger than you, at work"? And how exactly does "if everyone you know is an asshole" apply here? The people I know aren't assholes, they aren't models, but they are good, decent, athletic guys with good jobs and fun hobbies that we share. Is there some insult that I am also that way? The women I meet are also good people, they just basically all were dating their long term partners by the time they were 25. The "proble…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 01:48 AM
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Yes, being in a relationship is work, but that's not a bad thing if both sides are willing to put in that work for each other. I mean, sex is work if the other person just lays there not doing anything. A man or woman not enjoying that kind of sex doesn't mean they hate sex. A man disliking a one-sided relationship doesn't mean he wouldn't like one that is loving and committed on both sides. I'm sorry you felt the need to personally insult me because I have that belief.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 01:36 AM
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The guy is fine doing boyfriend shit, but if the woman isn't meeting him halfway and doing girlfriend shit it feels like he's just paying for a hooker. That's the complaint. I know you'd rather troll than read to understand, but you're arguing against something nobody is saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 11:48 PM
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Thing is... they found someone years ago when they were both young. Women are not a monolith, the ones who are fine dating guys with average genetics, much less ugly guys, are in long term relationships well before they turn 25. I don't know a single average looking guy (just in terms of face, still above average based on being in shape) who "get decent dates" with women 25+.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 11:46 PM
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How could you possibly take that to be the meaning of what I said?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 09:50 PM
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The reason is often genetics. If all it took to have non-shitty options was being in good shape, having good hygiene, dressing well, having a decent job, and being a kind and engaging person to talk with, a lot fewer guys would be complaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 09:46 PM
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If that is all you want hire a professional. That's the complaint: guys put in effort to plan dates, pay for things, drive conversation, take an interest, and women sometimes have sex. Not all women obviously, but dating most women feels like hiring a prostitute with extra steps.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 09:38 PM
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If a woman gets asked out by 50 guys and only says yes to the asshole, she has shitty taste in men. If a man asks out 50 women and the only one who says yes is an asshole, he has shitty options. That's the difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 09:28 PM
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Also PPD men: "What do you mean, I have to actually talk to her and do stuff with her? I'm not a dancing monkey!" Does this mean women who complain about their partners not doing a fair share of the housework are unwilling to do any housework themselves?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 09:22 PM
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Lol, classic woman behavior on this sub: make things personal rather than engage in the debate!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 09:17 PM
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No, things can be similar without being exactly the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 09:15 PM
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Problem is we give the biodegradable straws to the people with good trash disposal and let the areas that dump trash in the ocean keep their cheaper plastic straws.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 05:13 PM
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In my experience social skills are more an issue for women than men, we just have higher expectations of men so they get blamed for failure by either side. For example, I went on a date last year with a woman and as an ice breaker asked what sort of hobbies she had or what she liked to do. Her answer: "oh, I'm just open to anything I guess, just like anything outdoors." Now in her mind this was a great answer, it makes her sound fun and open and active, but this is horrible for conversation. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 05:11 PM
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Yes, like prostitution.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 05:02 PM
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If she's paying with sex that still makes it more like prostitution than two people both putting effort into a committed relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 04:47 PM
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Well, that's the trick with analogies: they are similar but not exactly the same, and it's often up to the listener to understand the ways they are not exactly the same. Not everyone will understand all of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 04:43 PM
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So wouldn’t that be more of an “investment” type of thing? Sure, but how that "investment" is viewed depends on what each person wants out of the relationship. If a guy just wants sex and then to drop the woman I can see him being fine with all the investment coming from his side. But if I'm dating looking for a long term relationship, looking for someone to settle down with for life, I want there to be investment on both sides. Women who want to effectively be prostitutes where the guys put in …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 04:41 PM
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Yes, the point of the analogy is to shame women who "give the milk away for free" because that would be a stupid thing to do and doesn't happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 02:17 PM
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If you think of this sub as not about dating but rather as a hate sub against men on the spectrum, the behavior of the mods, women, and bluepill-ers makes much more sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 05:23 PM
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So you don't believe "the good ones get snatched up quick" because the "average" is like 25? Who says the good ones need to be the average?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 07:33 PM
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In part because she doesn't actually have this higher standard of cleanliness, it is used as an excuse to shame men in cases where they bring in a majority of the income. I've seen the apartments and houses of women who live by themselves, not putting dishes in the dishwasher immediately is not a male-only trait, it's not even a trait more common in men. However, women develop different standards in relationships when she's not just creating work for herself, but can use this as an opportunity t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 07:28 PM
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Is it only men who are fat?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 02:01 PM
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In this thread: women attempt to read the OP and do basic math, challenge level - impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 03:16 AM
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Laundry is like twice a week, dishwasher runs every other day, lawn and groceries are each once a week, then if I could spend 1 hour per day cleaning I could get every room in the house at least once a week. Cooking dinner is like 30 minutes. Cool, 2, maybe 3 hours per day to get all the chores done. Working full time given the commute is like 10-11 hours a day if there's no overtime.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 03:03 AM
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Ignoring what I'm saying and making personal attacks is not a decent counter argument. I guess all my friends who have kids where both parents work should be locked up for child abuse since they don't have someone individually cleaning up after their kid 16 hours a day...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 02:52 AM
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I know a lot of married guys who do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 08:45 PM
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It's because guys judge women's attractiveness based on absolutes, women judge men relative to other men. Men think if all men improve women will be happy, but women just don't work like that. Women think if they make other women look bad men will be more attracted to them, but men just don't work like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 08:42 PM
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Not everything is about you, I am speaking about dating dynamics in general, as is the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 08:38 PM
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Yes, there exists a societal expectation to lie to women about how attractive or unattractive they actually are. Lots of talk about how pretty the women are who are 8 inches shorter and 5 pounds heavier than their boyfriends.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 08:32 PM
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It's not about whether the men are top end guys, it's how the men compare to the women they are or are not committing to. If a man is a 4 but is dating a 2, he might be unwilling to commit.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 08:25 PM
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And yet nobody can provide a decent counter argument...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 08:18 PM
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So when a couple gets married then the woman changes her behavior it is the man's fault for not expecting that change in behavior?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 07:20 PM
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Ah, ok, so if families have one parent working and the other staying at home the working parent only needs to help if they have 3+ kids and multiple of them are infants?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 04:52 PM
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Only ever see it where the man looks better...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 04:28 PM
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Right, a dozen endless chores like what exactly that takes all day? Are they washing clothes by hand? Cleaning the whole house every day? Getting groceries every day? It's amazing I can survive as a single person since apparently normal chores take 8+ hours a day...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 04:25 PM
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I see a lot of fat, ugly women with average looking guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 04:23 PM
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So you agree with me?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 04:22 PM
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and/or autistic There are plenty of guys who are on the high achieving end of the spectrum who do just fine and are in happy marriages with attractive women. The key is these relationships started relatively early in life, usually during college or shortly after. Women aren't a monolith, and it turns out that the women looking for a guy who is: smart, kind, generally good looking from being fit and having decent style and grooming, generally capable as an adult who can keep a job and upkeep his …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 04:41 AM
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Right, so the working parent can't get a break when getting home because the stay at home parent was "on call" during the day when the kids were at school?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 04:22 AM
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Yes, women have other criteria they are picky on, but based on just looks they are significantly more picky than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 04:19 AM
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I really don’t think cooking your family dinner, doing their dishes after dinner, reading bedtime stories to your kids and getting them to sleep are “hobbies”. I didn't say that. I said letting your kids run all over the house and then needing to constantly clean the same rooms over and over to make it look like you don't have kids running everywhere is turning cleaning into a hobby. Much like mowing the lawn is a chore, obsessing over it every day for hours on end is a hobby. Maintaining a car …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 04:19 AM
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This is the main issue with dating and why guys feel "lied to" about standard, blue-pill logic. It's not that they think "looks don't matter to women", it's that they think women are only a little bit more picky in terms of looks than guys, when in fact women in general are way more picky about looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 04:12 AM
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Well if dinner and baths and nighttime routines are all at night what is going on during the day? Are you just cleaning the same rooms every 30 minutes and then letting kids mess them up again? Get your kids a play area and know it will be a little messy, or let that be your house since you have little kids and that's what houses with little kids are like. Like there are required chores and there are extra hobbies, a working parent shouldn't need to go without any sort of rest because the other …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 03:59 AM
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Kids need 24 hour care and supervision until they are 8 or 9 I went to school quite a bit before I was 8 or 9, and neither parent was sitting in class with me. Even when younger or over weekends and summers, my parents were close by but not directly interacting with me every single second. Y'all are giving your kids anxiety being helicopter parents like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 03:51 AM
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What sorts of chores are needed for your house that there would still be any left when you got home? Like I get young kids just need lots of attention regardless of whatever else is going on, but normal household chores don't take more than 3-4 hours per day unless you're trying to keep surfaces surgically clean.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 01:37 AM
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Right, it's like 40 year old overweight guys who only want thin 20 year old women: that's what they're attracted to so it's illogical to criticize them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 12:13 AM
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Men normally phrase it in a way that sounds better, like saying women should not have standards the women themselves cannot meet. For example, fat women shouldn't only date fit men, short women should be open to shorter men, women with average looks should be ok with guys who have average looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 11:46 PM
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Unless parties have been property served This is the key caveat and has not been true in all cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 11:16 PM
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Before any court even has jurisdiction over a child related family law matter parentage must be established. Assuming notice gets to him. If the mother puts his name on the birth certificate but a wrong address so he doesn't know to contest it, boom, parentage established.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 09:38 PM
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Raising is optional for women. There are plenty of older kids in foster care and kids in foster care who are not available to be adopted because the state wants to return them to their parents, but the adoption market for healthy babies has way more willing parents than babies up for adoption.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 09:28 PM
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Dual mating strategy in action. Gotta lock those men away if they don't comply. Also, no consequences for fraud from the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 06:14 PM
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A good example of the average woman in America in 2023. So when ppd women complain men here won't settle for average, this is what they mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 12:07 AM
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The younger couples I see where they aren't both very attractive usually have the men 5 inches taller and the women 10 pounds heavier.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 09:49 PM
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I mean, that's sort of the problem: guys grow up thinking women are only as picky about looks as men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 09:45 PM
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As long as you only look at older couples and couples where both people are very attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 09:44 PM
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If these men are dating up it's just in terms of weight, the women in total have to outweigh the men in total by at least a hundred pounds.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 02:13 AM
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lol again I wasn't even arguing who is more "mature" as that is too subjective and vague but okay. Yes, you weren't seeking to counter the full breadth of my argument or engage in the debate at hand, just picking a tiny piece to be combative. So I responded accordingly. I'm sorry you don't understand the discussion going on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 01:03 AM
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I said what was ideal for men, then you asked if something else was ideal. How should I take that other than you either failed to read what I wrote or chose to ignore it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 12:48 AM
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Correct, I made no general, published study to find that men and women are roughly equal when it comes to being mature adults. And sadly for you I'm not willing to assume the opposite from one or two studies on hand washing.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 11:49 PM
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Then why did you ignore it?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 11:45 PM
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Women must watch way more porn then since women say they are more afraid of approaching...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 02:59 PM
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Was the original statement just one thing? Where is the peer reviewed research on who thinks just tights or sweatpants are appropriate attire for their office jobs? How is the split of massive student loan debt between men and women?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 02:20 PM
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So you didn't read what I wrote?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 02:13 PM
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Not in my experience. I'm sorry my claim that men and women are roughly equal in this regard has gotten you so upset.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 05:42 PM
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If women actually worked the way you think they work there wouldn't be so many men complaining. As I said: Women are just as likely if not more likely to make impulsive, unnecessary purchases, get junk food they don't need, skip good hygiene practices, and wear inappropriate outfits as men are. The difference is women criticizing men as seen as men's fault, men criticizing women is seen as abusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 05:37 PM
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Men want a relationship with sex and where the woman matches his effort. Failing that, they want either similar effort if waiting on sex or easy sex if the woman is putting in no effort to the non-sexual parts of the relationship. It's telling that women are so unwilling to put in romantic effort they think guys only want cheap sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 05:33 PM
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So you've never been lazy or sick or tired after being out partying and gone to bed without brushing your teeth, and neither has your wife? You've never just gone out in an old t-shirt or sweats because it was comfortable, and neither has your wife? Neither of you have ever made a purchase that in retrospect was a bit stupid? Neither of you had junk food that really shouldn't have been part of your diet? Because 100% of the people I know do those things from time to time, both men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 05:20 PM
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I find it kind of fucked up men view being viewed as being someone that a woman wants to spend the rest of her life with and fuck exclusively a bad thing. If this higher level of commitment meant a higher level of effort into the relationship by women I don't think men would complain, but in reality it doesn't. Being viewed as the guy she wants to settle down with means having to wait for sex, but it also means having to take on more of the work planning dates. It means she acts less like someon…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 05:14 PM
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Who says women giving those instructions means men for sure "need" them? Women are just as likely if not more likely to make impulsive, unnecessary purchases, get junk food they don't need, skip good hygiene practices, and wear inappropriate outfits as men are. The difference is women criticizing men as seen as men's fault, men criticizing women is seen as abusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 05:00 PM
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Yes, you two enjoy a more-transactional-than-average relationship. Your post is claiming that everyone ought to want such a relationship or only accept such a relationship, but not everyone wants that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 04:39 AM
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You're making my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 02:59 AM
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Some relationships are more transactional than others, not everyone will want their relationships to be as transactional as yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 02:37 AM
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Usually, I'd walk away eventually. If she's interested in me, she'd leave the conversation and find a chance to talk to me later. The most common mistake of men here who struggle: assuming women are independent adults with agency and control over their own lives. That's only like 10% of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 01:59 AM
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This assumes the guy's standards don't change along with his self-improvement. I think a problem for men is that, in the measures by which they self-improve, women in general are not as objectively as high-achieving as men, so if their standards change to match their own achievement their likelihood of finding a partner goes down, not up. A fat man has better chance with fat women than a fit man does with fit women because a higher percentage of men are fit than women are. A man who is in a bad …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 01:02 AM
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So, not all women are like this, but the woman making the video is significantly more interested in validation than in an actual relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 03:07 AM
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Lots of women walking around with zero chins though...
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 01:07 AM
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Is that not the case? At my work almost all the managers who are under 35 are women. Hiring and promotion quotas are a real thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 02:03 AM
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Of all the overweight guys, only one was with a girl that was normal weight, but she was also not great looking in the face. The rest were with overweight women. But of the overweight women, more than half were with fit/normal weighted men. This is the real root cause of a bunch of men complaining about dating in 2023: there are simply more overweight women than overweight men. BMI hides this a bit because it tends to overestimate obesity in taller and more muscular people, and men tend to be ta…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 03:59 AM
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It doesn't make sense to get mad at women, it makes more sense to get mad at all the blue pill men on here whose advice boils down to "you need the social skills to tell when women are attracted to you, if you don't have success it's because you lack these skills". For 95% of men, women won't show any of these "signs" unless you flirt with her first. Until that point you're just an NPC. The men who think they read these signs are the ones who lack social skills, they're just finding false positi…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 01:08 AM
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You should look up the Overton Window and how it relates to politics and cultural norms. Tying extreme social positions to broadly applicable media is not a new strategy, as much as you would like to act oblivious to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 05:42 PM
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Funny, I'm part of a rec sports league that is mostly mixed but does have a women's only pickup and a men's club team. No men ever show up to the women's pickup, but there are often a couple of the women who come to the men's club team practice. I guess I shouldn't touch grass so much if I want to believe the blue pillers on here...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 09:48 PM
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Next to the Catholic Church, no other organization has spent more time diddling in the assholes of young boys than the Boys Scouts. "Public School Teachers 100 Times More Likely To Abuse Kids Than Catholic Priests" The Catholic Church and Boy Scouts had problems for sure, but the key word is "had" and pedophiles are drawn to any situation they can be in contact with kids, not just one or two groups. Even 20 years ago the church and scouts had very clear policies to prevent adults from being alon…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 09:38 PM
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So women react badly because they don't understand men or just in general don't understand rejection?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 12:53 AM
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To be pedantic, it's not the cows it's the bacteria inside the cows that makes the methane. Why being pedantic matters: the methane is only produced because cows have a fore-stomach that houses bacteria that can break down coarse plant matter, things we humans and other monogastric animals like chickens cannot break down. This course plant material is made as a by-product of human-edible plant material. We eat the corn, but the cobs and husks and stalks and leaves all need to go somewhere. If th…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 04:31 AM
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Well, people presenting as women. I’m convinced the more troll-y women on this sub are just men role-playing.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 02:45 AM
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Lol, you gotta make it personal I guess. Never mind all the women on here talking about “oh, I never really noticed my husband until he started flirting with me.”
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 12:54 AM
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Right, just after the men flirt first.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 12:11 AM
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Men don’t hate sluts, they just don’t want them for long term relationships. I don’t hate my doctor for not being able to fix my air conditioning, I respect them for the choice they made on who to be. But I’m not letting them fix my A/C. Contrary to what feminists will teach you, women are totally capable of making their own choices and dealing with the consequences of those choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 12:04 AM
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Most women tend to have very small social circles. They socialize a lot with their close friends, but don’t really interact with people outside that small group. Pause the app, limit their interactions to work, errands, and hanging out with their besties. If they want to keep doing a hobby with a wider group they just limit their interactions in that hobby group to their closer friends and other women. Fairly easy for women to go 6 months without meeting any new men just to the surface level of …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 11:48 PM
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Actual sexuality isn’t what matters, and I’m not sure there’s actually a difference. Men are taught to only approach women who give social cues of attraction. Most women won’t do this until after the man flirts with her first, since their attraction for most men is “responsive”. Men are more likely to approach women with bipolar traits since those women are more likely to give these cues of attraction with less overt flirting required on his part.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 11:39 PM
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Wouldn’t that be bad for the women? Why would women want a partner who doesn’t share their values and has a clear visual reminder that he settled for her?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 11:33 PM
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Human attractiveness is roughly normally distributed Not at all true, people just repeat this because they don’t understand statistics. Not everything is normally distributed. We know being fat or fit is important for attractiveness, but we also know weight isn’t a normal distribution. There are a lot of people 50 lbs overweight, but anyone 50 lbs underweight is dead. There’s also no guarantee that attractiveness among men and among women has the same distribution.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 07:25 PM
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Just listen to them on this sub. The ones giving advice love to talk about how they’re in their 40s and have been married for decades, but they’re totally sure nothing has changed. Also asked as a Q4A a bit ago when was the last time you asked someone out on a first date? The redpill guys all were within the last couple months, the blue pill trolls who love to say touch grass didn’t want to answer, the women said they basically never ask.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 06:38 PM
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You asked why people don’t take advice, most of the cases where people don’t are because the one giving it hasn’t dated in decades. I’m sorry the answers to your question aren’t the ones you were looking for.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 06:18 PM
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So guys who want partners who are their match in terms of personality are too picky. Got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 06:13 PM
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The people have changed. The same behavioral changes that mean obesity is up (larger increase for women) and medications for mental health issues are up (again, more for women), mean women’s anxiety has changed the dating market.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 05:45 PM
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Like I said, for 99.5% of people being fat is behavioral, a sign of addiction to processed foods and especially processed sugar. Why would men who want a partner with compatible character and values seek out women who clearly have different behaviors and values?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 05:43 PM
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That’s most of the advice from people on here that are coupled.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 04:47 PM
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When the advice is “just do the things you’re already doing, those worked great for me in 2005,” it’s pretty easy to turn down the advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 03:58 PM
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Only so much time in the day, only so much money to go out, only so many years before dating someone close in age means no kids. Also fairly easy to do something hundreds or thousands of times with the same result and assume that result is what will happen in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 03:56 PM
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They go out and socialize, they ask people out, they use apps. How do you think?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 03:34 PM
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So men with almost no options in dating are responsible for their choices because they could just pick one of the other options that they don’t have?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 03:23 PM
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Right, just like you could starve and be homeless rather than working a bad job or having a bad landlord.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 02:53 PM
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There are plenty of men who struggle who aren’t like that. Just because those men won’t open up about their struggles to misandrist women doesn’t mean those men don’t exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 02:51 PM
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Not mentally ill, have decent adult fashion, good hygiene, don’t dress like 10 year olds, good personalities, fun to be around, physically fit, still little to no luck, unless they act as a pick me. Welcome to how modern women act.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 02:31 PM
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No they don’t. If he’s “shit in other ways” it’s not personality, since somebody reject him before getting to know him.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 02:21 PM
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Personality isn’t the issue for the single guys I know, nor is it an issue for the “pick me” guys married to bad partners. Women filter based on looks first, personality second. If a guy is going on multiple first dates every month but can’t seem to get a second, the issue is personality. If he can’t get any dates at all, it’s looks. Long term single men have issues with looks (at least relative to women’s standards), it’s women who get dumped after sex that have issues with personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 02:20 PM
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The guys here who struggle don’t care about “looks”, they basically just care about weight, and for 99.5% of people weight is behavioral. Men who aren’t addicted to processed foods, especially processed sugar, don’t want partners who are addicted. Just like people who don’t smoke generally don’t want partners who smoke. they think having one girl be in love with a guy is a “loss”. No, they correctly recognize that men with no options by definition cannot choose based on character and personality…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 01:40 PM
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But if you marry them after you know them, that’s on you. So people with no choices are responsible for choosing the only option they have? I suppose the same logic applies to shitty employers, no need for labor laws because people chose those jobs! Same thing for shitty landlords, no housing crisis because people chose to live in those apartments with high rent and nothing getting fixed by the absent landlords!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 01:05 PM
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You have formed a significant level of desire...and she hasn't yet. This isn’t true for most men, but men are required to pretend it’s true or women won’t bother.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 02:47 AM
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Humans don’t need to have changed much for the market to change considerably. Why I brought up the housing market as a parallel.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 02:10 AM
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“Saving for a house is better than renting, once you’ve saved up roughly 3 months’ income you should have enough for a 20% down payment.” Advice can become outdated, most of the married people on here haven’t asked someone on a first date in 20 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 01:39 AM
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You were talking about married people not single people Yes, marriage only happens after single people start dating each other? I’m confused what your point here is. Women don’t generally initiate Men certainly ask more, but of my close friends it is slightly more often that the women pursued (or at least the men think the women did). Men certainly cannot wait until they know a woman’s character and values to pursue them. With how rare relationships are for most men, by the time they learn their…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 01:35 AM
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No, they tell me about how they and their wives have different values and goals. I don’t spend hours per day “on the manispere”, I know real people first and base my beliefs off of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 01:29 AM
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The poses hide their weight. When I stand in that pose my rib bones are clearly visible.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 08:24 PM
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Most men aren't choosing because they have no choices, they just accept whatever woman chooses them. A small percentage of men are dating many different women. Men are choosing these somewhat bad relationships because they want families and children, and partially because orgasms are a biological need and they find porn morally reprehensible and masturbation in general depressing.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 08:16 PM
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but not relationships and marriage Most married men I know have not had multiple long term relationships, and did not know their partners well enough to judge if they had compatible personalities before reaching a level of commitment they did not reach in any other short term relationship. For most married men, if you picked out 5 women at random from the population, at least 1 of the 5 would be a better match in terms of personality and character than their current partner. I think a huge reaso…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 08:03 PM
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And it's men and women in equal numbers. I wouldn't be too sure. It's equal numbers if BMI were a perfect measure of fitness, but we know BMI overestimates obesity in taller and more muscular people, and men tend to be taller and more muscular than women. Even with BMI you see disparity at the extremes, with severe obesity being 50% more common in women than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 07:50 PM
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It’s funny how bad the advice of blue pillers on here is, shows they’re mostly just here to troll. “You need social skills bro, don’t approach women unless you get the subtle signs that they’re interested in you.” Meanwhile every woman: “I didn’t really notice him until he started flirting with me.” Guys’ social skills can be perfect, they’ll never have success if they wait for women to show interest before engaging with them, unless they’re gigachads or whatever the term is.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 03:14 AM
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When it comes to attractiveness, men value behaviors, women value genetics.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 03:11 PM
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Whatever you want to call it, confidence or delusion, that's the thing required of men looking to date women. Guys need to approach with the attitude that whatever woman he's approaching is into him and she would be lucky to have him. I certainly agree there is a different sort of confidence where a man approaching might think "well, the chances of success are low but either way I'll be fine as a person." The problem is if he gives off that energy women will find him less attractive and say he "…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 12:58 PM
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If she’s already rejected him it doesn’t really matter if she’s now less attracted to him, what matters is his internal confidence for his next approach with a new woman. Again, most men don’t say these things out loud, but it is beneficial for men to think them when faced with rejection.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 12:26 AM
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Men are required to be confident in their own attractiveness in order to be attractive to women. At the same time, men have real world feedback on their attractiveness based on how women respond to them, with almost all men being rejected almost all the time. If a man wants to keep his confidence in the face of rejection he needs to turn that rejection into either something wrong with the woman or something he doesn’t care about. Some men do this internally, some men lash out. A man putting down…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 11:39 PM
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If you don't want responses you can just stop responding yourself, especially since your responses are more personal attacks than actual arguments. I would imagine breaking the sub's rule on blocking specifically because you want to get the last word in is not a valid reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 02:08 AM
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So would you edit your previous statement that child support for named fathers can only happen in cases where a paternity test is performed? I am sorry you find the situations men can be put in so triggering, I would hope this would help you sympathize with what they're afraid of.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 01:39 AM
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I think you're the one missing the nuance. I said "sometimes X happens", and you responded with a source that said "sometimes Y happens, but if you read closely it lays out how X can also sometimes happen". And I'm sure you've heard from someone claiming to be a lawyer that sometimes Y happens, who never really goes into the other options, and you're trying to make an argument that X cannot happen even though you have zero real evidence. You're asking me to assume you're right because you're una…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 01:33 AM
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Having a boat is a luxury, even if you can barely afford the upkeep on it. Having a large house is a luxury even if you can barely afford your mortgage payment and the cost of upkeep on it. The difference is that taxpayers are absolutely helping cover the cost of those children in most western nations, certainly in the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 07:58 PM
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Yes, having 5 kids is a luxury. It’s like a man complaining the work to upkeep his boat takes up so much of his time he can hardly make it to his vacation home.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 07:39 PM
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Ignore open sources like the one you posted plus documentaries of real situations because some anonymous discord user claims to be a lawyer?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 07:32 PM
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“When you come from a place of privilege, equality feels like oppression.” Women are used to having emotional support from men in relationships while the men are stoic and get no support, so modern pushes for men to show their emotions leave women with a new responsibility to listen to and support their partners. To women this feels oppressive.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 11:56 PM
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So, your source basically agrees with what I said: If the suspected father receives a paternity request from the court, it's critical for him to comply promptly. Failing to reply to the petition could result in the court issuing a "default judgment" against you, meaning the judge decides that you're the biological father without a paternity test. If the alleged father never actually receives the request he can be named the father of children biologically not his. Also says: In most states, the p…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 11:50 PM
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Not a lawyer, but from cases I’ve heard about it is when the mother names a man as the father (usually when applying for government aid) and then the state sends out notices that fail to reach the man. Basically instead of the state needing to prove the man is the father the man would need to prove he isn’t, so if he doesn’t get the notices he is deemed the father, ordered to pay child support, those notices don’t get to him, and then years later he gets arrested after a traffic stop or somethin…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 07:05 PM
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What women consider confidence and are attracted to is not actual confidence, it’s a combination of being extroverted and disagreeable. Bad news is these traits are mostly genetic, you can try to fake them as a guy but can’t change how extroverted or disagreeable you are any more than you can change how tall you are. When men tell women to “choose better”, this is what they mean. Not that women should be more picky, but that they should look for actual confidence instead of these poor markers of…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 06:32 PM
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As a man you don’t even need to be the father to have child support obligations.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 06:28 PM
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Common problem. Democratic politicians would rather lose on legislation to get a 3% boost in reelection chances than pass legislation that 97% of their supporters like but that would hurt them 3% in reelection chances.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 06:24 PM
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If 50% of men were 6 feet tall or taller all the women who only date 6 foot tall guys would only date 6'3" or taller guys. Similar thing (but for a larger percentage of women) with personality. If more men are charming and charismatic her standards for being charming and charismatic enough to date just increase. So self improvement for men helps the individual relative to other men, but does not help men in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 02:29 AM
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Red pill tactics are a zero sum game, since men are judged relative to other men. Even if red pill tactics worked perfectly every success is just one more blue pill failure.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 02:22 AM
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Great guys with good jobs don't have women chasing after them, especially of those guys aren't making the first move and flirting with the women. As I said, most attraction from women is responsive, and if you met a guy who had a great personality but gave only friend vibes I doubt you're going to push for a romantic connection.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 02:20 AM
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If Jane actually likes Jack and thinks something could be there This requires Jack to either be in the top 5% or so of guys in terms of attractiveness Or For Jack to flirt with her so she sees him in that light. Women will be attracted to at some men who are their match, but that attraction is responsive. Basically Jack will friendzone himself before even realizing he likes Jane as more than a friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 08:09 PM
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The cost of children is progressive: the higher your income the larger the percentage of it you spend on children. The richer people are, the less affordable children become.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 03:52 AM
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Why do you think your view is so different from the experts tasked with obtaining this information? I don't buy that those in California have more opportunities for advancement, I would say the homelessness and drug problems in California show just how much more likely poverty there is to prevent people from bettering their own situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 01:08 AM
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Not as a percentage, at least not according to the census bureau. Here's 2020 data, see table 5. Why do you think your view is so different from the experts tasked with obtaining this information?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 12:18 AM
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Women: her friends won't pull her away from you unless she gives them some sign that she isn't interested. Also women: https://www.reddit.com/r/wholesomememes/comments/14iqsf0/more_people_like_this_please/
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 11:17 PM
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When accounting for cost of living California has the highest poverty rate in the US. It’s not on the eve of destruction, it was destroyed years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 09:59 PM
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if it's just a choice and not emotionally fulfilling, then you will end up with a partner you don't really care about and who you will eventually begin to resent Yes, this is the situation most men find themselves in. There’s plenty of criticism from women about how men don’t seem to really care for their wives, this is why. Most men don’t have enough options to be picky about someone they feel a genuine connection with. Not all men of course, but a slight majority. By the way, this is why “redp…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 09:30 PM
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Yet women will date such a man and complain as though there aren't millions of single men out there with their lives together.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 01:30 AM
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Read it again slowly. Women overlook hygiene to date men with other attributes that make them tingle.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 12:37 AM
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Earns "as much" or earns significantly more? The hygiene thing is women telling on themselves that they value tingles more than whether a guy has his life together. I've met women, they in general are just as gross as men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 12:04 AM
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I have a bunch of close friends (6) who are pretty average guys who are married. Each of them has only had a single relationship post high school that lasted over 2 months. Most of them only had that single relationship ever. For men love is something they choose to do, not something they feel. They find someone who has mutual interest and before they really even know the other person's character and personality they enter what will be their only long term relationship. So the next time you see …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 12:02 AM
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Don’t we mock women for complaining about being lonely despite having plenty of options, just because they don’t meet some standards? This is the relevant section, we don't mock women for having standards the women themselves can meet.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 11:34 PM
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The key is whether the individual with the standards can meet their own standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 10:18 PM
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None of what you said is a counter argument to what I said. Plenty of fit, financially stable, socially well-adjusted men whose dating market is women who have none of those traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 09:42 PM
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Self improvement is a trap for men: as a man improves his standards rise faster than the quality of woman he can attract. Getting fit would be fine if there were enough fit women for every fit man, but there aren’t. Being financially stable would be great if there were enough financially stable women for every financially stable man, but there aren’t. Having a wide social network would be great if women had similarly wide social networks, but they don’t. Self improvement for men just breeds rese…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 08:58 PM
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And there’s not many companies with promotion quotas anymore. I would guess over half the S&P 500 have some program in place tying executive compensation to meeting gender promotion quotas. Also it’s not jus wearing a low cut top, it’s who is even hired in the first place. Women have very little understanding of just how pervasive gender bias in hiring is. Most women with full time jobs work for companies who would hire a woman over a man if both had equal qualifications.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 07:22 PM
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But they do get grades. We have data saying attractive women get better grades in high school than they would if appearance was hidden, such as by online learning.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 04:03 AM
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Or that engineer helping to map out the blueprint for a new highway system was only hired because her boss and coworkers wanted to date her? It's not about wanting to date her, it's about wanting DEI numbers they can parade around. I've seen my company post job openings for engineers that were only available to women, it certainly makes you question if the women who get hired get there on merit.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 04:01 AM
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Is it just OF models that get ahead based on sexuality? What about servers and bartenders at restaurants, which can pay very well for very little training and education? What about promotion quotas for women in large companies?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 03:58 AM
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Yep, we pretend the symptoms are the disease.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 03:31 AM
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Men value behaviors, women value genetics. While men and women both value looks 99.5% of women control whether they are fit and in shape or not, 0% of men can naturally make themselves taller.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 03:28 AM
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Remember guys, you can’t wait to hit on women in your extended social group until you know whether or not you’re actually attracted to their personality, it needs to be instant or you’ll be seen as just a friend. Also, why are men so shallow and don’t care about a woman’s personality? Why do men lead women on by flirting with them and then seem to go cold? So mysterious…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 03:08 AM
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I didn’t say that. I agree many actual rapes don’t get reported. What I believe is that of the cases that do get reported, around half of them are false.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 03:03 AM
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BMI also handles height fairly poorly. It measures weight per height squared, but being 3 dimensional objects, humans’ weight actually varies by height cubed.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 02:46 AM
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Yes, I judge based on the information I have instead of guessing at information nobody has. I’m sorry my observations don’t match your guesses.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 02:41 AM
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I’m trying to make sense of why half the rape accusations that get any sort of public traction seem to end up false, and your best argument is to insult me?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 02:08 AM
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So you only get reports from the ones who don’t care about the backlash, but there’s no way that correlates with the ones disturbed enough to make false accusations? You’ve said why it’s hard, but nowhere claimed why it would be harder to make a false accusation. All your arguments agree with my take that the barriers to reporting are more easily overcome by those making false accusations.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 01:21 AM
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That’s why the military looks at a tape test or waist to height ratio rather than BMI.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 01:17 AM
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The difference in essential body fat is far less than the difference in muscle mass and even the higher BMI that comes from being taller. There are better measures of health like waist to height ratio, which even tend to favor women since women store body fat throughout their bodies while men store it more preferentially on their waists. But whenever a measure other than BMI is used the results show the women as more overweight relative to the men compared to BMI alone. Nobody is getting to “sev…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 01:16 AM
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What exactly do you mean then, and why do you think this is more common for women than men? Why ignore that severe obesity is 50% more common in women in the post about “land whales”?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 09:33 PM
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Yes, rape accusations create a circus for both accuser and accused. Why does that mean women with an axe to grind are less likely to sign up for that circus?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 09:06 PM
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And the threshold for having visible abs as a woman is basically unhealthy body fat levels. That’s why I said chemically enhanced.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 09:05 PM
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I know girls who are “overweight” with abs I doubt it unless they are chemically or surgically enhanced.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 08:56 PM
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The obesity rate is only similar due to the shortcomings of BMI. It overestimates obesity in taller people and underestimates it in shorter people, overestimates with more muscle and underestimates with less muscle. Men are taller and more muscular, women shorter and less muscular. What BMI considers to be an overweight man. What BMI considers to be an overweight (but not obese) woman. As far as “land whales”, that’s more likely severe obesity than just normal obesity, and at their level there i…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 08:50 PM
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Why does that mean false accusations are more rare? Actual rape is traumatic, and it makes sense people will try to ignore traumatic experiences and not bring them back up. But false rape accusations don’t have the associated trauma, because there was no actual rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 08:15 PM
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How are you defining “match”? The problem for a lot of guys is that you can define match by sort of where you fit relative to the population, or can define it based on objective traits most people find attractive (are you a healthy weight, do you have a decent job, keep your home clean, have a solid friend group, have a mature and adult style, are able to handle conflict respectfully). Guys look across at their match relative to the population, and see someone fatter, poorer, less social, and le…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 04:19 PM
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Dating apps being bad in general is not the same thing as them being bad compared to other options. Dating apps are male dominated, but so is every in-person venue where people reasonably can go and meet new people. A significant amount of socializing women do is very insulated, even in large events like concerts, where people really only socialize with their own small group.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 03:47 PM
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The misogyny of thinking that ignoring women who flake and play games means guys will have to die alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 03:06 PM
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Lol, you think those two are matched?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 03:59 AM
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Clip seems like the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 02:03 AM
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Women on here be like "I see matched couples all the time" The couples they see...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 12:55 AM
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I just think it would be easier to make the general population of men more desirable Women's taste in men is relative, making all men more desirable doesn't matter because women judge them against other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 02:14 AM
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men aren't judged as harshy on their appearance as women are I'm not sure this is the case, just that age has less of an impact on the ways men are judged. Women who are skinny-fat are still often considered attractive in their 20s as they put on weight every year, until their 30s where they are solidly overweight. Men who are skinny-fat are judged harshly right away. Women will get downgraded in terms of facial attractiveness if they have poor skincare or drink too much and age starts to show i…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 12:13 AM
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Financial situation matters, but income is the wrong thing to measure. My brother's wife makes six figures, and makes more than he does, but combined they have less margin in their monthly budgets than he did years ago living by himself. I don't know if they've made a choice to not have kids, but either way I don't think they can afford to, despite probably making $250k per year between them. In my dating experience there are a lot of women out there with incomes above the nationwide median that…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 12:06 AM
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In your own abilities? Sure. There is some amount of external validation there, but it’s not so much from other people. It’s about setting goals for yourself, attempting them, and hopefully achieving some of them. Even if you only notice the change in your own behaviors it is positive reinforcement that you control your own behaviors. For the second type of confidence, that’s either actual validation from others or delusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 08:47 PM
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I don’t agree with that logic for why abuse happens, I think common decency of most people will be enough to prevent abuse, unless that abuse is societally enforced like how women are expected to demean their husbands in the modern US. I will agree there is little reason for men to be especially supportive towards women who put little to no effort into being good partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 08:23 PM
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If someone works a job making below the median income, did they choose that job because they dislike money? Or was it that half the jobs out there are below median income so not everyone can pick the top ones, even if they want them. Your comments above treat men who settle as if they have the things they settled on as a preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 07:06 PM
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Confidence isn’t just one thing, how you view yourself and how you perceive how others view you are two distinct things. When women say they want confident men, they mean exclusively the latter, which is either the result of actual positive reinforcement or delusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 07:03 PM
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Half of all options are “just someone”? Reasonably half the guys out there aren’t able to auto-exclude half the available women, even if that was their number 1 criteria.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 06:35 PM
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Because that’s like half of the women out there, especially if he wants to date women who are 30+.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 03:52 PM
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Yes, I have a bunch of friends in relationships like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 03:48 PM
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You didn't mean too, but after a few drinks Isn’t that considered rape now? Too drunk to consent?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 02:04 AM
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Reddit is left wing and the left has worked very hard to code Russia as right wing. If it were Iran doing the same exact things Reddit would be all about peace talks because the Iran deal happened under Obama while Russia was propagandized to have been responsible for Trump winning in 2016.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 01:48 PM
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Not saying we can’t have debates, just that pejoratives and slurs meant to insult men on the autism spectrum are not considered violations of this sub’s or Reddit’s rules on hate by the mods of this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 02:48 AM
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Remember everyone, Reddit’s policies on hate don’t apply if your target is neurodivergent men, in that case pejoratives and slurs are perfectly fine. If you stop looking at this sub as being about debating dating issues and instead view it as a hate sub against men on the autism spectrum, all mod behavior starts to make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 01:56 AM
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Yes, financial responsibility and not income is what men look for. I don’t think this responsibility correlates with income, and even the uncertainty with income only happens in some situations at income extremes. It’s just not relevant for most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 01:46 AM
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You said most of them do, but your data to back it up is that most of them did. The thing that’s not checking out is the time scale and dating changing over time.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 09:25 PM
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A high earning woman will be more likely to pay off her own debt and pay some of the bills, while a poor woman at McDonald’s is less likely to be able to contribute as much. At the extremes this is true, but among the middle of college educated women it is less clear. I have met and dated plenty of women who still have significant college loan debt into their 30s. They usually aren’t super high earners but aren’t making McDonald’s wages either, they just have lifestyle expectations that go beyon…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 09:23 PM
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Most people have houses, therefore houses haven’t gotten more expensive in the last 5 years, and there’s no reason people in their 20s can’t save up and buy a house.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 07:31 PM
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For men self improvement is the perfect mix of worthwhile and grift to keep you coming back to redpill content creators. On the plus side, it absolutely is worth it outside of dating for the improvements to your own mental health and confidence. On the negative side, because self-improvement mostly focuses on objective measures where men outperform women, engaging in self-improvement will increase a man's standards more dramatically than it increases his options, actually making finding a partne…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 04:00 AM
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Why would women want men with such a lack of confidence? Those men who don't take no for an answer and assume women are interested even if they've gotten zero signs of interest from the women, those are the men most successful in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 12:03 AM
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So that hinges on whether or not one accepts that the constitution provides a right to privacy. Exactly, there should be no laws against DUI, the government has no right to violate my privacy and know whether I am under the influence or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 05:07 PM
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Toxicity towards men is the byproduct, not the root cause. The root cause is romanticizing and validating all female anxiety. So it’s not that guys can’t open up, it’s that if women have anxiety about needing to be the stoic one in a relationship, even temporarily, then it is abusive/toxic for the man to have put her in that situation. If a woman feels anxiety about her weight it is abusive/toxic for men to have made her feel that way. We as a society are teaching women to be more anxious and to…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 03:21 AM
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Examining domestic violence shelters or emergency rooms may miss many male victims—males tend to underreport their own victimhood—but when surveyed, women generally acknowledge using violence at equal levels with men. Since the 1970s, evidence has demonstrated that domestic violence is perpetrated by females as often as males This is the first link saying rates are equal. As I said, I did not save the link on here showing abuse by women as more common, but it is clear from the variation that vio…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 12:22 AM
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I saw the study on here but didn't save the link. Searching again, here's one saying the rates of physical abuse are equal, while acknowledging that men will under-report. I will also say some of this is anecdotal, physical violence by women is so societally accepted that I have seen many cases of it with friends and family, while never having witnessed cases the other way. Here's another putting the rate at 1 in 4 men experiencing physical abuse at some point in their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 12:09 AM
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women less often resort to physical violence Women are more often physically violent, they’re just physically weaker so there are fewer consequences for them. More wives have hit their husbands than husbands that have hit their wives.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 09:52 PM
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If you want a specific sentence it would be the conclusions from the abstract which I quoted. If you want an in depth analysis of why they got to that conclusion, it won't be a single sentence. I did summarize how they determined causality, which won't be a single sentence since they used multiple methods. You're looking for specific control variables, while ignoring where the researchers state that method is still prone to problems: Until the late 1990s, researchers who were interested in estim…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 04:44 PM
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Good to know if there’s ever any study I don’t like I can just call it “shitty word salad” and ignore the results.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 02:46 PM
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And where does that say fatherlessness is not causal?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 06:50 PM
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Is anyone blaming you for things women do? Saying “most women act like X” does not mean anyone is blaming you individually.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 06:49 PM
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Please read the study. Extremes on the edges don’t impact the median, they impact the average. In the Pew study it is older couples where the woman is more likely to be the breadwinner, suggesting the opposite of what you claim. Women want higher earning men, and it is likely cases of men being disabled or unwilling to work that account for female breadwinners, since those cases increase with older couples. The Pew study shows that more modern couples need multiple incomes, but if anything young…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 06:12 PM
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Got proof of this? Since you ignored the actual study results which say fatherlessness is causal.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 06:06 PM
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The median income gap in marriages is still higher than the overall median gap. In a majority of cases men earn over 60% of the household income, meaning the median couple has a wife earning less than 67% of what her husband makes. For the general population, the median income gap is women earning 83% of what men earn. Also of note from the Pew study, the lowest rate of women breadwinners was among the youngest group surveyed. Male breadwinner rates stayed fairly consistent, but it seems younger…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 06:04 PM
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The study does not say those things don't happen, rather it uses statistical methods to isolate causation. So it's not that poor children do worse, it's that fatherlessness causes children to grow up in poorer circumstances, rather than poorer circumstances leading to higher fatherlessness.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 05:15 PM
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Kelly also pitied herself and saw herself as a victim. Does that excuse her for blaming men for her dating problems? "If we assume you're wrong about everything, then wouldn't you be wrong?"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 05:07 PM
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So the age group most likely to not have kids yet had the lowest rate of female breadwinners because it's hard to work when you have kids? Explain that one.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 05:02 PM
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Correlation does not equal causation. But there is evidence of causation. The literature on father absence is frequently criticized for its use of cross-sectional data and methods that fail to take account of possible omitted variable bias and reverse causality. We review studies that have responded to this critique by employing a variety of innovative research designs to identify the causal effect of father absence, including studies using lagged dependent variable models, growth curve models, …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 04:18 PM
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There it is! A man’s wife contributing 40% of the couple’s income is a big deal and I would hardly call the guy a breadwinner. He’s still heavily relying on her money for their lifestyle. You would say one person having an income 50% higher than the other as being in the same income bracket? If I got a 50% raise I would certain feel like I was in a different income bracket. The median age of new moms is 30. And yet female breadwinners were lowest in the youngest age bracket. Shouldn’t some of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 04:13 PM
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It's also to be expected that the vast majority of women won't appreciate your vague generalizations regarding their innate sexual preferences. Regardless of your statements' accuracy and validity. The problem with modern society. We call the truth misogynistic and pretend misandry is truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 02:53 PM
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This is either talking about radical feminists or women with unresolved problems. Yes, this is not all women, but more than half. I'm gonna make a guess you're not factoring in motherhood. Most marriages have men providing over 60% of combined income, among those with no kids it’s just under half at 48%. Important to note the correlation with age though, women being primary breadwinners increases in older couples, and is lowest among the youngest couples. So either younger women are more focused…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 02:50 PM
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It’s not all women, just like 70-80% of them who would get the ick from a guy not being traditionally masculine. Most guys don’t even need to be vulnerable of their own accord, most women will create their own shit tests to give themselves the ick if their partners fail.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 02:12 PM
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And yet, most of the women I hang out with dont think that way about men,so I definitely dont believe we are talking about women in general. This is either talking about radical feminists or women with unresolved problems. I guess you don’t hang out with average women then, this is most women. But most people date within their income bracket and social class, so Im not seeing why that matters. Only if you have very wide income brackets. We have data that the median gap is the man making 50% more…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 02:00 PM
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I think that’s a mis-characterization of how men here describe average women. I would say the average woman: Believes in societal stereotypes about men being useless. Spends more of her money rather than saving compared to her male counterparts, and expects a more expensive standard of living. Wants a partner who makes significantly more money than her, on average 50% more. Has multiple guy friends in her wider social circle who would ask her out immediately if she obviously flirted with them. H…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 01:17 PM
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So you really didn’t understand my comment?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 12:54 PM
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Women enjoy men like that, but women don’t select for men like that. All those other factors just determine which average narcissists they pick, or which other average guys putting on a narcissist mask.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 04:52 AM
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Cute and smart > hot > cute and dumb. Kindness is also great in all cases of course, but it’s like an add on. Being cute and dumb just destroys the benefit of being cute, cute and smart is better than the sum of the parts.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 04:49 AM
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There aren’t enough fit women for the number of fit men out there. BMI underestimates obesity in women and overestimates obesity in men, because it treats taller and more muscular people as more obese.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 08:45 PM
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"can keep a steady pace up two flights of stairs" In my experience this is enough to disqualify more than 50% of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 08:39 PM
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Bluepillers on here be like: "only autists with no social skills have trouble with women's signals." Meanwhile, the signals...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 01:44 AM
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Lol, so you think "and/or" means only the last option listed?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 01:39 AM
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Ah yes, the common grizzled veteran trope of telling young people they have it worse now...
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 08:58 PM
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Anyone who wants attributes in a partner they don't have themselves is gonna struggle.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 08:49 PM
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Where does it say they're only looking for casual sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 08:22 PM
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Wouldn't that happen for both men and women though? Why do you think only men would build up issues?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 08:21 PM
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Or maybe it didn't used to be this bad, because people who dated 10+ years ago and are also dating now see a difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 08:15 PM
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Men here who have been dating as adults for 10+ years: things have changed. Men here who haven’t dated in the last 5+ years: nothing has changed! Wonder who to believe…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 06:58 PM
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The same survey had single men being significantly more likely to say they were looking for a relationship than the single women.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 06:45 PM
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Certainly not always. I have plenty of friends and family with no kids where the wife is 5-8 inches shorter and the same weight or heavier than the husband.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 06:40 PM
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Oh, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that you would be specific. If you're going to be more vague and talk about multiple factors that just makes it more likely that you're rationalizing why he's struggling rather than actually finding real reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 04:26 PM
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I’m sure you could list out some behaviors, but they would not necessarily be accurate descriptions and would not be dealbreakers if he had pre-selection. Instead of saying “he has problems dating because he behaves like X”, your logic would be “he must behave like X because why else would he have problems dating?”. I’ve known lots of women who were straight up wrong about how guys act because they needed to rationalize his lack of success.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 03:37 PM
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Yes, I think you will often guess they have problems with certain traits that they don’t really, the problem is just pre-selection.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 03:03 PM
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What I’m saying is it’s very rare that I’ve seen a man who is perpetually unable to attract women and has to wonder why other women were turned off. This is the part I disagree with. As I said, pre-selection is more important than traits, 60-40.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 02:16 AM
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And yet as men we know if all that changes is entering a relationship suddenly there is way more interest from women. Maybe you were rationalizing why you weren’t attracted to some of these men rather than actually not being attracted.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 07:39 PM
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It might be more the other way, women will perceive a man as less attractive or somehow lacking in traits if other women don’t seem to be attracted.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 06:36 PM
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Women valuing authentic guys and women being able to identify authentic guys are two very different things. Women’s behavior doesn’t match what they say their values are, but it’s not so much that women are lying about their values as it is they misidentify some characteristics and behaviors in men as being other things. Women say they want confidence but in practice they want disagreeable men, because they perceive disagreeableness as confidence and cannot identify confidence in agreeable but c…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 06:23 PM
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You seem to be posting how women’s attraction ought to work, but in practice men know this isn’t really the case. As you said, you don’t know of anyone with these qualities who struggles, so it’s not like you can tell causation. If the key is traits not pre-selection, but every man you know with the traits also has pre-selection, who says it isn’t the pre-selection? But guys know the change when having no change in traits but having more pre-selection, and what that does to their dating prospect…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 06:16 PM
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Yes, that's the part guys know isn't true, based on how women treat them. Women will avoid men who have all those good qualities if other women aren't interested, and improving those qualities as a guy does not come close to the difference you see from other women when entering a relationship. Good qualities are 40% of the formula, pre-selection is 60%.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 05:08 PM
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Most men celebrate their partners’ accomplishments, even if there’s no benefit to anyone beyond their partners. The exceptions are usually men whose partners have a “your money is our money and my money is my money” attitude. This goes beyond romantic relationships, in business this is referred to as givers, takers, and matchers. There are some men who are takers, but most people are matchers. If everyone a person meets seems like a taker it probably means they are a taker and everyone else is m…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 04:21 PM
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So your OP was that pre-selection isn’t that big of a thing, it’s just that some men are more attractive, but your argument as to why is that pre-selection is definitely a thing but men who are just looking for casual shouldn’t care?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 03:59 PM
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Why would he want a boost if he is already in a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 03:15 PM
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The difference from men’s perspectives is seeing how many women will treat you differently after you enter a relationship or after they find out you’re in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 02:59 PM
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Not all broke women work at Walmart. Plenty have masters degrees and work for nonprofits or government or education and have negative net worths into their mid 30s. I’ve dated multiple women where there was more than a $500k difference between our net worths.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 03:15 AM
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Honestly, I think this is a big reason why “pink collar” jobs exist: women will take lower pay to work a job with good social standing to allow them to date higher earning men. I’ve met plenty of white collar women working for non-profits or government agencies that have masters degrees and negative net worth into their mid 30s but will date men with much higher incomes and much more assets.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 03:13 AM
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Guys get told they need "social skills" and should only approach women who give signs of interest, but they aren't told that most women won't know if they're interested until after guys interact with them, unless the guy is like top 5% most attractive. So guys get this fatalistic notion that unless they're near perfect in every outward measure to be in that top 5% they're creepy if they approach, so being perfect is the only morally correct way to build a relationship (since it's immoral to be c…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 10:58 PM
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Men in the friend zone have way more of a chance. Women rely more on shared decision making than men, so it’s easier for them to change their minds. If men in the friend zone become involved with another woman, it can change her perception of him. Men who fuck zone women are far less likely to change their minds, especially since these men are more likely to not want long term relationships at all, rather than just not with this particular woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 02:59 AM
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It’s women like this that give the other 20% a bad name…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 02:42 AM
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“There are a lot of bad cliches in dating but one I happen to believe in is that anything that isn’t a hard yes is a no, and that successful relationships come when both people are hard yes’s. I hope you find that kind of partner.”
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 02:37 AM
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There’s evidence that weight or BMI are less effective at predicting health than waist to height ratio. Realistically judging attractiveness by whether or not someone has belly fat is as good of a stand in for health as we can reasonably judge from the outside.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 02:11 AM
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Yes, democrats have gerrymandered congressional districts in states they control, but look down at the zip code level. Richer, more productive areas are still red.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 01:36 AM
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The people in the counties and zip codes that drive America’s economy vote Republican. The people in welfare counties and zip codes vote Democrat. The core goal of the Democratic Party is to make sure any redistribution of wealth only goes to some of the poor, not all of the poor.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 08:23 PM
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Only if you believe in larger age gaps among older couples. The gap is smaller, but the data still show roughly 2 single men for every single woman in the 30-49 age group. Add that to the number of these men who must be dating women in their 20s to make the 18-29 numbers work, and you’d need roughly 1/4 partnered women in the 30-49 age group to be dating men 50+. But we have stats on age gaps, and that average gap of 5 years just isn’t realistic, the median is like les than 2 years difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 03:57 AM
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And yet, hasn’t been my experience with friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 02:27 AM
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Fast food = transformers or fast and furious for movies. Marvel movies = pizza as favorite food.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 01:53 AM
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So why wouldn’t that affect the husband just as much?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 01:03 AM
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Yeah, no pregnancy in the case I’m thinking of.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 08:45 PM
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So what’s the equivalent for women gaining 30 lbs in the first two years of marriage while her husband is basically unchanged?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 08:17 PM
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More than half of men likely haven’t had sex outside of a relationship. Of those who have, a lot of the “coercion” is like the song “baby it’s cold outside”. There’s a play at modesty from the woman, but if you have any level of social skill you understand she has agency and is driving this situation as much as the man is. Of course feminists want to cancel the song and view women as having zero agency, because most of those feminists lack any sort of social skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 04:23 PM
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Having close friends and having large social circles are not the same thing. Women tend to have a few very close friends but do not socialize much outside of that small group, men have larger social groups through shared hobbies or interests but don’t have deep connections with many of these friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 02:22 PM
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People on a sub about dating complain about dating rather than issues of survival? Who would’ve thought…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 01:29 PM
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Don’t worry, there is quite a strong push to medicate the “being men” out of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 03:28 AM
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“Misandrist” would be a slightly more accurate term. The men who claim they’re opting out (and then often don’t actually opt out) are frustrated with the dating market, but they still like women or at least the idea of women. The women opting out aren’t really opting out because most of them have partners, they like how the dating market has worked for them, they just dislike men in general. The equivalent for these women aren’t MGTOW guys, it’s the guys who get laid regularly but won’t ever hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 03:27 AM
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BMI is a rather poor predictor of health, especially for women since the initial cutoff points I believe were designed for men and just copied for women with basically no data to back them up. Waist to height ratio below 0.5 is a much better measure, but would put a lot of women with BMIs of 22-25 in the unhealthy group.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 02:48 AM
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We dont know why guys here insist on acting unhinged and entitled about sex. Learn some self-control. Damn. That’s the OP’s point, it’s a hormonal thing. Like, men who claim women should just learn some self control to prevent outbursts and unusual behavior on their periods or while pregnant are rightly regarded as dumb: hormones are strong things and if you’ve never experienced those hormones you can’t speak to how someone else should deal with them. But when it’s women’s turn to shut up about …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 02:36 AM
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It’s certainly not zero men who have this issue, but also not quite even. We call men anxious if they don’t cold approach, and women anxious only if they don’t put themselves in social situations, no warm or cold approaching needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 01:50 AM
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I don’t know about running clubs, but 5k/10k’s are great examples of the social-but-not-actually-social events. I’ve done them before for different charity groups and while people will talk with the friend groups they go with, even getting brunch or drinks or whatever afterwards, the established friend groups don’t really mix.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 08:38 PM
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Yes, most “social events” are not very social at all, people go with an already established group of friends and interact only with that group. Other events that actually encourage meeting new people have way more men than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 07:45 PM
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Confidence is about how people view themselves. Arrogance is about the looking glass self, or how people believe others view them. Specifically, arrogance is when someone assumes others have a higher opinion of them than those others actually do. For dating, women care about a man’s looking glass self, but generally do not care about his own self-image.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 07:16 PM
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More of them are fat, more of them have too much anxiety to meet new people, and more of them have unreasonable student loan debt well into their 30s with no plan to repay it themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 07:07 PM
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Meeting in person is better, but only if you have a time machine and can go back 5+ years. In 2023 women in general are just less healthy than men. More of them are fat, more of them have too much anxiety to meet new people, and more of them have unreasonable student loan debt well into their 30s with no plan to repay it themselves. A “matched” couple that formed years ago would be one where both partners have similar flaws, in 2023 whether they meet in person or online the woman will have more …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 06:18 PM
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How were they calculating messages? If men are the only ones initiating and women only respond to messages then the outcome makes sense: men will message all women they find attractive, women will ignore all but the most attractive men who message her, and will respond only to those men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 01:59 PM
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Meeting in person tends to have the same problem as dating apps: fewer women than men out there looking. Women tend to socialize more with a small group of friends and in activities where they are not expected to interact with strangers, while men have fewer close friends but overall wider social circles.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 02:25 AM
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Did most of those couples meet online? I know plenty of evenly matched couples who met in college, dating apps or even dating in person in 2023 is not the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 02:14 AM
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If you're a guy who's a 5 on that scale and a healthy weight you should get some matches, but only with women 4.0 and below on this scale who are also 20+ lbs overweight. Also assuming the guy is over 6 foot.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 02:04 AM
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There’s like 10 different types of feminism and claiming women have no agency ever is a core tenet of like half of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 01:37 AM
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No, they claim that other markers are superior and that many women with BMI in the healthy range are overweight/obese according to these better measures. The disparity between men and women shows that if we want to use BMI it should not be the same cutoff points. Meanwhile, you continue to be unable to show any data that BMI of 22+ is as healthy as lower BMIs in women, largely because such data does not exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 08:13 PM
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Depends on how old you are. If you’re 50+ then yes, good ‘ol boys clubs have hurt your career advancement and men’s opinions are more respected, but that is not true for younger generations. Millennials have grown up with such a focus on how sexism is rampant everywhere and they always need to be on the lookout most people below 40 will explicitly force them to more respect women than men. The numbers of women vs men under 40 who are promoted to management in my organization being drastically in…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 08:36 PM
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Less pretty privilege. Also they may not qualify for jobs that exclusively interview at women’s-only conferences or corporate quotas to increase the number of women in management.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 07:49 PM
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Women who wear makeup will have some amount of pretty privilege over women who don’t, but that doesn’t mean women who don’t are any worse off than their male coworkers.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 07:39 PM
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You how we have statistics on men cheating more if their wife makes more money than them? They feel threatened so they sabotage the relationship themselves as a sort of power play against their partner. That’s mostly what women like this are doing, and others who create insane chore loads and cleanliness standards that they never held themselves to when single. It’s women who know they bring in less economically and are less fit/attractive physically so they create conflict where the men are the…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 04:58 PM
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That’s why it’s important to consider the other study, which gave more evidence on a general population level that BMI underestimates obesity and the associated health risks in women compared to other measures like waist to height ratio. You’re claiming that absolutely no evidence of your claim is better than incomplete evidence for my claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 01:40 PM
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That’s a great question to ask them. Maybe it’s like the data on men cheating more when their wife makes more money, some kind of defense against an imbalance in the relationship. Women who know they don’t bring equal resources to a relationship want to have something they can hold over their partners. But I’ve seen the apartments of enough single women I’m friends with to know they don’t keep things any cleaner than men when the housework is all on the individual.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 03:04 AM
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Men should do half of a reasonable amount of housework. The trouble is when women in relationships decide the couple needs to do 3x or 4x the amount of housework she was willing to do when living by herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 02:40 AM
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Men like other men more than women like other women, but women hate men way more than men hate women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 02:37 AM
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So you’re just going to ignore the data on the men? The problem with BMI is that men and women should not have the same cutoffs, and historically the cutoffs are more in line with predictions of men’s health, not women’s. I’ve shown data that “healthy” BMI ranges can be unhealthy for women, but you’ve shown absolutely nothing that women in the 22-25 range are as healthy as women in lower ranges. If you have any data to back up your claims I’m all ears, but we both know that you don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 02:34 AM
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They found that 36.5% more adults could be classified as obese using the whole body data rather than the BMI measurements. In the second source you need to look at the table. The number of women classified as obese according to waist to hip ratio is greater than the combined number classified as overweight and obese according to BMI, meaning that some women in the healthy range of BMI are more accurately classified as obese according to waist to hip ratio. For the men this did not occur, the obe…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 09:06 PM
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So you didn’t read the text of either source, nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 10:05 AM
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Belly fat is a better predictor of health than BMI. Body Mass Index (BMI) Underestimates Obesity in Females
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 03:57 AM
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I think most men here would say the 5’5”, 170 woman was average and not realize she was overweight. Modern dating means a lot of fit men are dating women fully in the obese range, which is the experience guys on here complain about.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 03:49 AM
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BMI is a flawed metric that treats taller, more muscular people as fatter than they are and shorter, less muscular people as less fat than they are. Men and women have similar rates of obesity by BMI, but in reality there are more fat women than fat men. You can see this at the extreme, where there are 50% more women than men in the “severe obesity” group. Fit women aren't lining up to date fat men By BMI some of them are. Lena Dunham and Karl Urban are both examples of actors who likely fall in…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 09:02 PM
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It’s not contempt or disgust. Men are taught that it is immoral to give romantic attention to women who don’t reciprocate, and that men need to improve their social skills to recognize these signs. So when shy and awkward women don’t flirt back, guys back off and treat those women as if they’ve rejected the guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 05:30 PM
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Some men want a woman who can be a partner to them, not like a child they need to take care of.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 03:58 PM
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Yes, men are struggling with dating if they can’t find partners who are their match.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 03:27 PM
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Go out and meet some single men, there are plenty who are objectively above average but still struggle. Or at least they objectively have their life together more than the average woman, but still struggle.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 03:16 PM
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It’s not only those average overweight and poor dudes that are struggling.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 02:58 PM
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Where he living? My city, and it’s a plural “they”, not just a single “he”. US coastal city, not super large but not small town either. You are definitely not talking about guys with dating problems and absolutely not about the guys in the manosphere. Not talking about guys in the manosphere, but yes talking about guys with dating struggles. The ones not struggling have settled on some of these criteria, have their wives that are 8 inches shorter but a little heavier than the men (or a lot heavi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 02:57 PM
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The difference is women want a man above their objective traits, men just want someone near their objective traits. I have no problem if women with good jobs and wealth don’t want men with 6 figures of debt. Do you have a problem with those women having that standard?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 02:48 PM
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Well yeah, it turns out men actually like women. If women similarly liked men the dating market would look entirely different.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 02:27 PM
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Men be like: I work out 4-5 days a week and have 14% body fat, I’d like a partner who is fit enough that when she goes to the doctor the doctor doesn’t talk about her weight as a problem. Also men: I make 6 figures, own a home, have a degree and am completing another while working, and have a net worth above half a million in my early 30s, I’d like a partner whose is educated, has a job, and doesn’t have 6 figures of student loan debt. PPD women: Ugh, stop chasing Stacy!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 02:25 PM
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Actually based dating advice for men: enjoy being single until women get their shot together (hint, that’s never going to happen).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 02:14 PM
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The problem is if a guy does these things he’ll want a partner who also has their life together, but there are more men than women who meet these criteria. Self improvement raises a man’s standards more than his pool of options, and makes dating harder.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 01:27 PM
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Dating app companies would love it if there was less disparity on their apps. Right now there's no reason for men to pay to increase how often their profile is shown because women don't need to search, and there's no reason for women to boost because they get so much attention anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 02:09 AM
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If you see the guys getting the most girls are usually confident/charismatic/funny etc And your just a awkward/shy dude then take notice of your surroundings Confident/funny vs awkward are the wrong measures. An extroverted guy that is awkward and has trouble reading social cues, talks over others, etc. will do way better than an introverted guy who reads social cues well and has confidence in his own abilities and intelligence. Women select for genetics, not things you can work on.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 08:06 PM
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Maybe I’m giving other men too much credit, but the differences I see dating are more with wealth than with income. Like the man makes $70k and woman makes $50k, but she went and got a masters before starting her career and has six figures of college loan debt she’s planning on having the government pay off as she works for a non-profit, while he has no debt besides his mortgage.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 04:03 PM
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It’s only misandrist by accident, the root problem is we’ve collectively decided that the proper cure for anxiety is to tell people their anxiety is always 100% justified and anyone who doesn’t have anxiety is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 03:53 PM
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Unemployment only measures those looking for work, men’s labor force participation is far higher.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 02:02 PM
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Women’s social anxiety impacts more than just apps, it’s not like trying to meet people in person is any better for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 08:35 PM
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If the rate is the same the difference is just that men are disappointed for a longer period of time.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 08:23 PM
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Do you think this problem is unique to women? Women’s problem with dating apps is that while they have a lot of options 95% of them are bad personality fits and go nowhere. Men’s problem with dating apps is that they have almost no matches… and 95% of the ones they do have are bad personality fits and go nowhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 08:03 PM
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This was an engineering position.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 07:12 PM
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I’d rather focus on the misandry of creating women-only job openings and promotion quotas for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 07:04 PM
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What if you get fired from your job, can’t work in your industry for a full year, and then are still looking for a job after that year when evidence comes out showing you didn’t do the thing you were accused of? Does that count as being cancelled?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 06:17 PM
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If a man stops being romantic towards his wife after they have kids is she wrong then to ask for a divorce? Seems like a lot to put kids through just because she isn’t getting her candy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 12:54 PM
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Nope. It means if you file for divorce in California the state will force child support, whether the receiving side asks for it or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 11:58 AM
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“Child support is mandatory in divorce.”
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 11:38 AM
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Men look for behaviors, women look for genetics.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 12:06 AM
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It’s the same as thinking his money is their money and her money is her money. Modern women think men and women should split 50-50 the traditional women work, and men should do 100% the traditional men work.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 09:25 PM
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Wouldn't a woman that is somewhat normal in the head want the father to have 50% custody ? Yes, if the world was different then things would be different, 50% is not the norm. How hefty ? And why does he have to pay if he doesn't earn more than the woman ? Go do a calculation. In California, if the couple had 2 kids, the father has 20% custody, and each parent makes $48k per year the father must pay over $800 per month in child support.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 11:36 AM
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No. Obviously depends on what country you're in but in the US the disparity on how custody is awarded makes divorce hugely punitive for men with children. It's somewhat bad for both parties just inherently due to the requirement that the divorced couple now need to live in separate places, almost all couples could not afford to rent out a second house or apartment just for fun so of course a separated couple cannot economically provide the same standard of living for their kids as if they were l…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 03:02 AM
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No, I think there is a disparity in just socializing as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 05:16 PM
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Yes, if men only liked women as much as women like men the dating world would be incredibly different.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 04:04 PM
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The one with the friendly personality will do better with most men, especially as a potential long term partner. Who fuckboys want for cheap sex is not the criteria most men use.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 04:03 PM
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The men women want to lower their physical standards already have personality standards, they just don’t have personality standards for cheap sex. Women forget that “fit, feminine, and friendly” are all in fact behavioral standards, not like the physical ones for height and facial features women have.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 02:14 PM
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But I think men can improve a hell of a lot more than they think they can. I think you have an inaccurate view of which men are struggling, or at least which men are at this particular level where they could find someone but just need to hope her personality is good enough because the guy doesn’t have enough options to be picky on personality. You’re giving advice to the bottom 30% of men, but this problem exists for 60th to 80th percentile men, those already solidly above average.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 12:45 PM
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Women’s pickiness is what causes some men to consider approaching a numbers game. You’re asking why women should address the complaints when women dislike the consequences of not addressing the complaints…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 12:40 PM
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Mid to late 20s. Youngest maybe at 24 or 25, I don’t think any of the oldest hit 30 before marriage but multiple were 29 and in one case the wife was 30 when they married. None wanted to “rack up numbers”.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 12:38 PM
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It would be better to take a few years off the market entirely and improve yourself and come back when you can have options and negotiate from a position of power The problem is that actually achieving this is too rare to be a real option for almost all men. Of my five closest married friends, all are college educated, well above median income, average height or taller, all at a healthy weight, and all take care of their appearance, are hygienic, and have mature, adult styled clothes. Also, only…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 02:34 AM
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Same reason women want abortions to be legal rather than just needing to pay to transfer the unborn to a surrogate.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 10:07 AM
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“People” or “a person”?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 10:05 AM
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When is the last time you asked someone out on a first date? How has dating changed over the past 5 years, 10 years, and 15 years?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 02:52 AM
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I didn’t say no one states it, I said men in general don’t which is true so long as it is generally rare. Even your counter example, as one person saying this, isn’t saying that it happens all the time but just pointing out that it has happened once.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 02:50 AM
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No, I’m pointing out how the different independent pieces of advice don’t work when put together. First advice is many cold approaches, then do warm instead of cold, then don’t do many warm approaches, and sometimes all the way to don’t do any warm approaches unless there is clear interest on her end. Then back to it’s your own fault if you aren’t approaching. The advice is contradictory. Would you agree that "women flirting" might be the most vague, indirect actions a man would have to decipher…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 02:44 AM
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It’s more how you define consent: “no means no” or “yes means yes”? A lot of fantasy for women is “no means no” style consent. She doesn’t say anything or need to be clear on her intentions, but the guy just knows how she’s feeling and acts on it, leading at every step. A lot of the MeToo movement is “yes means yes”, a women is paralyzed or fearful in a situation where the guy advances and while she might not fight back she never explicitly consented so it’s sexual assault. In general either sys…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 02:22 AM
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So you think getting arrested like this is something that happens commonly?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 01:37 AM
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There’s a strange motte and bailey with what type of approaches to do. Men should approach a bunch of women, but should look for those they have something in common with like hobby groups or extended social circles to increase their odds, but shouldn’t ask out a bunch of women in your social groups unless you get indications of interest from them. So men need to put themselves out there more, but also should not make any move unless the woman has already flirted with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 01:36 AM
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Guy said it happened once in this thread. Exactly the same as guys saying it all the time. You’re making my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 01:25 AM
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Men don’t say this. Men say that asking out a high number of women will get you labeled as creepy and desperate, have social consequences, and could get you put on one of those Facebook groups to shame men. The women and blue pillers on here claim that you won’t be arrested, rather than address the actual complaints. It’s a common tactic that their arguments depend on.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 12:53 AM
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Not all, but some would prefer that to their current relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 12:41 AM
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For better or worse, a lot of men will select partners just for the sake of having children. It’s not so much that they don’t want someone valuable as a partner, but they settle because they don’t think they can attract someone with all the characteristics they want. Among my 5 closest friends married friends none have had more than 2 girlfriends in their life, and only 1 of the 5 has had more than 1 long term relationship after high school. Men simply don’t have enough options to select for wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 11:20 PM
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If it’s cold approaches it probably won’t be that big of a deal, if it’s warmer approaches with people you know from shared hobby groups it’s more of a negative. Thus the conflicting advice: approach a bunch of women because it’s a numbers game, and look for people with shared interests so your chances are better, but don’t go around asking everyone in your hobby groups and social groups. Have you tried just being more attractive? That way you can have success without asking out a bunch of women…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 09:55 PM
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That’s sort of how it works, there’s one set of rules for the women with crippling social anxiety and a totally different set of rules for the other 10%.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 07:42 PM
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Most are overweight or obese, but most guys will say a woman who is slightly too moderately overweight is not fat. There was a post maybe last week showing 3 women who were supposedly average, and the first was generally considered above average in the comments despite being overweight.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 05:00 PM
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Like approach in general or cold approach at a club or in the grocery store or something? The problem for guys is when you specify one or the other. For cold approaches I don’t think they work for a majority of guys, and the risks they talk about here are more real. For warm approaches where you have something in common and start just getting to know each other as people, the odds are better but you need women to actually go out to places where this can happen. Outside of school and work modern …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 03:06 AM
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That’s not fair, the women here respond with personal attacks to everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 01:10 AM
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Different people have different standards for what constitutes “clean enough”, and it’s important couples agree to a shared standard and both clean to it. There’s trouble when men have a lower standard and therefore don’t clean unless asked, but also trouble when a woman’s standard changes when in a relationship, or changes as an excuse to chide the man for not doing more housework. I’ve seen what people’s apartments and houses look like as single men and single women, when they’re responsible f…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 08:28 PM
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Girl Scouts doesn't do things some girls are interested in, therefore boys can't have their own spaces? Which is the responsible gender again? Men "lacking social skills" just means being introverted, which is fine for women but seen as problematic for men. Men very much need competition, you're proving my point by treated men as defective women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 05:05 PM
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PPD men are rattling off their personal attributes like their height + income + fitness and therefore they expect to find someone who's at least a 7+ because of that. I think it’s less wanting someone who’s somehow overall 7+ and more thinking “if I’m above average in X, Y, and Z, I can expect a partner who is also above average in those areas. Even if I’m below average in A, B, and C, that just means my potential partner might also be deficient in those areas.” The problem, which we see in how …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 04:03 PM
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Was Boy Scouts about encouraging violence, and that’s why it can no longer be for boys only? teach them hygiene, how to care for themselves, how to build, how to be creative, how to healthily express themselves Yeah, this isn’t what men need, you’re making my point. Men need spaces where others teach them how to be competitive without developing hatred for their opponents. They need to experience others relying on them, the combination of responsibility and trust that comes with that. These are …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 03:53 PM
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You don’t see it because you think if men aren’t helping each other in the way women help each other then it doesn’t count. Women deal with pain by sharing, by feeling heard and loved, men deal with pain by finding a purpose to endure it. You don’t see men helping men because we’ve labeled that as toxic masculinity, it still happens but only hidden away in male only spaces, which continue to be attacked.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 02:53 PM
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Why do you think educated and career women pick abusive men at a higher rate than less educated women?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 01:34 PM
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Being extroverted dwarfs being emotionally intelligent in terms of helping men be successful with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 12:54 PM
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Not in individuals, just observing that in markets people compromising on one key attribute likely means they are compromising on others.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 10:09 PM
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It’s just more evidence that the dating market has more men than women active in it, so men need to date down in terms of attractiveness if they want a partner. Being fit isn’t the only measure of attractiveness, but it’s easily visible and something both men and women almost universally want in a partner. It’s a visible indicator that men are also dating down in terms of financial stability, emotional maturity, kindness, and other traits almost universally considered attractive, but not as easi…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 09:08 PM
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I don’t know of any who have met that way in the past couple years. I know couples who met at school or work, those who met on apps, those who met at groups where getting to know strangers was more common like hobby groups, but there aren’t enough women in those groups for the men in those groups. And for every one of those couples that’s looks matched I see one of those couples with a fit man and a woman overweight to the point where she won’t live to see 80 years old.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 08:56 PM
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That would require women to go out and interact with friends of friends, which doesn’t really happen. And how would you know values and interests if you don’t know each other well?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 08:32 PM
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How do you judge rehabilitation when you’re locking people up for crimes they haven’t committed yet?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 07:45 PM
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That’s basically the problem: for most men such hobbies don’t exist, and if all the men hoping to meet women through shared hobbies moved to hobbies with more women those dances classes would be 75% men. We’ve seen the studies on how men have so much trouble forming close friendships, the other side is that women have more anxiety about meeting new people and therefore in general meet fewer new people.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 07:41 PM
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It might not be exactly right, but warm approach would be any situation where you are somewhat friends first and learn a person’s personality and character before developing any romantic interest. There’s some study about a majority of relationships starting as friends first that blue pillers here like to link, but it ignores how this is heavily dependent on school because of how small the average woman’s social circle is after leaving school.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 07:37 PM
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Nothing destroys the idea that growing your social network can help with dating as a guy like seeing just how rarely most women make new female friends. Outside of work and school, women going out and socializing really just means sticking to their small circle of already close friends, even at packed events they don’t really meet and talk to other women. So “warm approaches” at events like concerts and festivals and hiking and whatever else are all looks-based, just like on a dating app. There …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 07:11 PM
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Self improvement is good for your personal life but I think for guys it has a net negative impact on their dating life. Self improvement tends to look at objective measures, more net worth and muscle/body fat and less subjective ones like charisma. The problem is women in general fall short of men by these objective measures, so men will improve and find they can’t attract a similarly fit or similarly financially stable woman, and it just increases bitterness about the dating market. Self improv…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/23 02:59 AM
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Imagine if guys had those same filters. Looking for “has decent job” and “likes kids” disqualifies like 80% of modern women. Well, I guess you’d need to say “financially stable” instead of “has decent job”. Plenty of women with decent incomes but more than 2X their annual salary in debt they aren’t making payments on.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/23 01:31 AM
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We have plenty of other data to say the average gap is much smaller. Means a lot of the difference is women who say they’re in relationships with men who don’t view themselves as in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/23 01:28 AM
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Are people being insulted for being picky or for choosing the wrong things to be picky about? I’ve seen more the latter: if you want a woman who is kind and works with you as a partner and you go about that by being extra picky about weight you’re gonna have a bad time, and should rightly be mocked.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 11:37 PM
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You’d assume that would be compensated for in the next age bracket, but it’s not. While the overall rate of being single is lower in the 30-49 group, there are still roughly 3 single men for every 2 single women. To account for the disparity with just age gaps you’d need like 1/4 partnered women in the 30-49 group to be dating men 50 or older (and zero 30+ women dating men in their late 20s). I guess red pill guys are right about dating younger if a 5 year age gap isn’t just possible, it’s actua…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 10:09 PM
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if she's loyal, has your back and brings peace to your life I want to say this is more important, but I’ve only met like 5 such women in my life and they’ve all been pretty attractive, so distinguishing between the two hasn’t really come up.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 01:30 AM
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Waist to height ratio has been shown to be a better health indicator than BMI, with a general cutoff that waist circumference should be half a person’s height or less. I don’t think guys can look at someone and judge this exact ratio, but in general can tell how wide they are at their waist compared to how tall they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 02:23 PM
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And extremely agreeable would be never stating an opinion of their own and always going along with whatever you want and being a total doormat. You’re comparing an extreme with a moderate version, not an extreme with an extreme.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 02:18 PM
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to be disagreeable is to be bad tempered, unpleasant to be around No, disagreeable is to what extent you prioritize your own wants/needs, not how you go about trying to achieve them. You can have highly disagreeable people who are respectful and calm but stand firm in arguments and highly agreeable people who are passive aggressive and eventually blow up when they don’t get their way after not fighting for it. At least in terms of Big 5 psychological traits meaning of agreeable and disagreeable.…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 12:47 PM
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Surveys or analysis of who they actually pick? I would agree that going to the extreme in disagreeableness is worse than being in the middle, but extremely disagreeable is still picked more by women than extremely agreeable.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 12:40 PM
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That’s sort of the issue, “caring and respectful” and “doormat” are both accurate descriptions of agreeable men, so to be in the first group but not the latter they need to be disagreeable in some way. This is where shit tests come from.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 03:40 AM
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The women who claim approaching doesn’t work because they tried it like twice and the men who claim approaching doesn’t work because they tried it like twice are equally valid.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 02:59 AM
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The criticism from men is that “being attractive” is dependent on the guy being not nice. What women often call “confident” is really trait disagreeableness, a stronger desire to seek out your own wants and needs with little regard to whether this causes conflict with others. “Nice” guys are more agreeable, they will subvert their own needs if it means avoiding conflict with the group, or in order to achieve a win-win for all parties involved. All else being equal women prefer men who are more d…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 02:54 AM
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Not you. And as I said, linking evidence of mods not following the rules is itself against the rules, so I can’t do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 07:58 PM
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Who said that? Can’t say, that would be witch hunting. If the mods don’t want to deal with insults pointing out the insults gets the mods to come down on you. How are you defining below average? I’m not, just copying the insult. Why would they do that? No idea, just know it explains their behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 07:48 PM
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Despite the rules on civility, mods allow blue pill users to call any guy who struggles a loser who only struggles because he is well below average. Same thing for all his friends if they also struggle. Once you start thinking of this sub as a hate sub against men on the autism spectrum all mod behavior starts to make more sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 07:29 PM
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Like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter if you have better logic they just shit on the board and strut around like they won.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 07:11 PM
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It’s more than 95%, it’s 100%. In 2019 49% of men aged 18-29 were in a relationship. In 3 years you’d expect 25% (3 divided by 12) to age out of that group, so about 25% of those men in relationships have aged out. For the new number in 2022 to be only 37% in relationships that means the 75% of those from 2019 who didn’t age out are still in relationships, but zero of the new 18-21 year olds are and zero of the single men in 2019 entered a relationship. Obviously that’s not quite the case, but i…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 07:10 PM
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Men must be entering long term relationships at a high rate because most of them have had sex at least once in the last year. Also everyone who has had sex at least once in the last year would label themselves as frequently having casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 07:02 PM
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The rate of being single among 18-29 year old men jumping from 51% in 2019 to 63% in 2022 doesn’t show that for you? In 3 years about 25% of that cohort aged into the 30-49 group and the number of men in relationships went down by 24.5%.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 06:41 PM
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It’s kinda sad how terminally online blue pillers on here are. You point out issues you see in real life and they just lob studies that aren’t actually relevant, but they have saved because all their opinions on dating come from online instead of having friends and family in the dating market. Edit: lol, then you link a study that proves your point and they claim the study must be wrong because it doesn’t fit their narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 06:24 PM
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You haven’t shown JACK either relevant to the claim. The difference is I have a real life observation and you just have insults. But keep lobbing those insults if it makes you feel better.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 06:20 PM
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Cool, I’ve observed that dating is way worse the past couple years and there are way more fat women than fat men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 05:55 PM
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I have observed people in my life, and your stats fit with my observations but don’t address the problem I stated. I know plenty of married people who met before the pandemic or even in the early 2010s. I can assume many of the long term single men I know have sex around once per year but wouldn’t say they have casual sex consistently. Why should I assume my observation is wrong when there’s no data to disprove it?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 05:53 PM
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What do you “observe” to know how recently people got together? How am I supposed to know if being coupled is rare or common if I only look at couples?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 05:19 PM
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Yes, that means the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 05:18 PM
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My data objectively shows what average people are doing. Having sex. But not as much casual as people thing. Getting married. Divorce rates dropping. Right, not starting new long term relationships since the pandemic. I’m glad you agree that none of the data you presented addresses my claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 05:17 PM
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There are a lot of people with average jobs who own houses, that doesn’t mean that an average job is all you need to afford a first house as Gen Z. Markets change over time. I know very few couples who are both out of college and met since the pandemic.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 04:46 PM
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Saying something doesn’t matter for attraction doesn’t mean people shouldn’t do it. Learning how to golf is not a hobby that will lead to meeting women for most men, that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t do it. Also, having a career and putting that career above all else are very different things. I am getting a masters and have a good job, but I wouldn’t put my job above my family or friendships.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 04:34 PM
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Objectively that means it’s all below average. But your data doesn’t address it. I said that average and above average guys aren’t starting long term relationships since the pandemic. You’ve said that most have had sex at least once in the past year, and that most aren’t having casual sex regularly, and that people are still getting married. But the people who have had casual sex or sex with someone they’ve dated maybe 3-4 times at least once in the last year but can’t find a long term partner s…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 04:31 PM
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Do you read these sources before posting them? They aren’t mutually exclusive: having sex once in the past year does not mean a person would say they date casually. Plenty of people can be in long term relationships and getting married that began those relationships before the pandemic. Other data you posted was about life on college campuses, which I said seem to be much better dating markets. Again, you seem unwilling to engage with what I actually said because all your rebuttals don’t actuall…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 03:58 PM
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The threshold is different, but it’s not that different, women mostly want the same things in men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 03:34 PM
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Some women want the top 20%, others want the top 22%, it’s different for everyone!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 03:25 PM
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I’d imagine at least a third of all marriages wouldn’t exist if guys didn’t want children.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 03:22 PM
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I’m telling you the problem in real life isn’t a 95 percent issue. You’re telling me casual sex isn’t a 95% issue, or having neither casual sex nor sex from a relationship that began years ago isn’t a 95% problem. I agree. That doesn’t change that finding a long term relationship post covid is a 95% problem, which is the problem I’ve observed and what I brought up. I don’t know why I keep responding when you clearly don’t care to actually read what I write.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 03:20 PM
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Do you think that data is comparable to the situation I described? The key differences are that it includes people who have been in long term relationships for a long time and just looks at sex. For as much as people here talk like casual sex is harder that hasn’t been my experience. I personally didn’t pursue a likely casual encounter because I wasn’t comfortable progressing physically that quickly. This sort of makes sense with women having higher rates: more men than women are looking for cas…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 02:59 PM
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When that “struggling” group is 95% of guys, your comment on “the middle” being about the same doesn’t hold up.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 02:32 PM
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But the vast majority in the middle? Not much changed. This hasn’t been my experience. My friends who are out of school are in good shape, have decent jobs, generally take care of themselves, but someone only 1 in 20-30 has entered a relationship since the pandemic. Maybe some of them use apps but I know them from hobby groups, and doing things like a minor league baseball game tonight. I know there’s a lot of “touch grass” advice on this sub, but it seems to come from people who haven’t been in…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 01:48 PM
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Yes, I also said people still in school are doing fine and others are in relationships that began before the pandemic. We have numbers for things like teenage suicide attempts, it’s not like they’ve leveled off because social media is old hat now.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 01:03 PM
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It’s not just social network size, but the underlying anxiety that causes that problem leading to others. By fit I don’t mean six pack or fitness influencer or whatever, I mean “when I go to the doctor we don’t talk about my weight as a problem”. Like, unless they make so drastic changes my brother is going to outlive his wife by 10-15 years, same thing for my best friend. And like I asked before clubs/bars/dance hall/festivals and events all burn down or something?! Cause “I’mma be at the rooft…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 02:10 AM
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Are the behavior patterns so strict that there is no variation among that group of people? Your astrology example is a good one, because there’s not really a “better” when neither has any predictive power.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 12:27 AM
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It’s been more gradual change. Meeting from friends is still better than any other option, but people just don’t do as many things with extended social networks. The concept of what a person’s “match” is has changed as well, men have more disparity between those who take working out seriously and those who just get fat, while women seem to just get fat. Being fit as a guy doesn’t mean you can expect a fit partner. There are plenty of people on this sub who give advice from back when they and the…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 12:25 AM
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yeah, no. That’s not his it really is was Fixed it for you. As someone who’s been around and is also still dating, a lot of the advice on here would’ve been great in 2010 but not so much now. It was telling how none of the blue pill regulars on here answered my question about when their last first date was.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 09:18 PM
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Are the behavior patterns so strict that there is no variation among that group of people? It seems you’re making an argument that your generalizations are more morally acceptable, not that they are more accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 09:13 PM
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So were you talking about every guy in the manosphere, or just some of them, or just a behavior that is common among most of them? I think it’s reasonable to say “the manosphere does X” when you really mean “a common behavior for most people in the manosphere is to do X”. The latter is overly wordy and reasonable people should assume the former does not necessarily mean “absolutely everyone in the manosphere does X”. My problem is your criticism is that the manosphere uses that shorthand, while …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 06:50 PM
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You’re still denying people can vary. Where did I say that? You might just entertain that 1 out of 100 isn't a monolith, but that’s still unacceptable. Where is your evidence that it’s 99% and not 80% or 51% or a loud 40%?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 05:30 PM
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Is that all manosphere types or just most of them? Or even just your anecdotal observation of most of them?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 04:56 PM
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Behavior of absolutely all of them or just most of them? So if studies and statistics to back up a claim I make would be hard to come by I can make that claim without sourcing it?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 04:55 PM
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Do you have a source on this being true of a majority of the manosphere? You’re committing exactly the same sin as you’re alleging with your initial comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 04:20 PM
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Some of it is conflicting standards: women want men bigger than them, not just taller, but also prefer the look of fit men. So shorter, heavier women will prefer more of a height difference so that her fit partner still weighs more than she does.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 04:18 PM
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Because its dumb to whine about simple facts and he should also know he’s rare amongst men. So fit men shouldn't complain about only having fat women as potential partners because fit men are rare amongst men and therefore they shouldn't have this problem? Or they shouldn't whine because their problem is a fact? I don't understand what you're saying here, it seems like logic that could be used on any case of someone complaining about a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 05:22 PM
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Yes there is variation among women, but the differences in where women store fat also equate to differences in health outcomes. In my experience differences in how fat is stored aren't really noticeable until a person is considerably overweight anyways. So waist-to-height might poorly measure whether someone is severely obese or just normally obese, but is much better at measuring whether they are healthy or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 05:19 PM
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The benefit of BMI is that it has a clear definition for obesity and more readily available data, I think waist to height ratio is the better metric but more people know their weight than their waist circumference. Also, the failing of BMI is that it will underestimate obesity in shorter and less muscular people, actual obesity rates are higher for women than BMI would claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 05:10 PM
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Your concept of obesity might not match the actual cutoffs. Here are some examples of women just into the obese range at 5'3", 5'5", 5'7", and 5'9" for reference (no nudity but some might be borderline nsfw). I have seen plenty of couples where the woman looks like that and the man is fit. I'm sure you have too.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 03:17 PM
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for example, i’ve seen balding skinny-fat men in their 30s dare women in the 5-7 range, or very average, boring looking dudes with no definable build, generic fashion choices and a boring, $10 haircut with moderately attractive women Only if you think obese women are in the 5-7 range. I’ve seen matched couples and couples where the man is more attractive, but basically never the other way.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 01:53 PM
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People arent always able to see someone’s stomache, especially if they tuck their shirt in or wearing a corset. You would certainly be able to before entering a relationship with someone, right? This is part of why men will claim to be catfished by online dating. Who said that? You said: complaining about girls being fat means nothing if you’re talking to an American Why would that be true for fit American men complaining about only fat American woman being interested in them? Shouldn’t the fit …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 01:36 PM
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Turns out just looking at how fat a person’s belly is gives a good estimation of health. Women naturally store more essential body fat but store less of it on their waists than men. Some people store fat in different places but there’s evidence that specifically looking at belly fat is a better predictor of health than overall body fat or BMI. Only 1 in 4 adults in the USA are the recommended weight for their size. How does this mean fit men should expect to have fat women as partners?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 12:57 PM
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Waist to height ratio is easier to calculate and better handles the difference in essential body fat between men and women. I think waist to height > body fat >>> BMI.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 09:53 PM
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Waist to height ratio is the best easy way to do it, both for health and attractiveness. Cutoff for health is circumference of the waist (at the belly button) being over 50% of the person’s height. Even accounts for women having more essential body fat, since women tend to store a lower percentage of their body fat at their waist. It’s also really hard to put on enough muscle that it grows your waist a meaningful percentage, so that isn’t a negative like it is with BMI.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 07:08 PM
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if you are not overweight I see no reason why you should date an overweight woman Depends on how you define overweight. BMI says men and women have roughly equal rates, but BMI is geared to overestimate obesity in tall and muscular people and underestimate it in short and non muscular people. So if you use a better measure, like waist to height ratio, there just aren’t enough fit women for all the fit men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 02:03 PM
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How do you get "aren't worthy" out of that?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 04:31 AM
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tell them they aren’t worthy of someone who treats them well and loves them Where does this happen? Men tell women to pick better because they say they want these characteristics but then don't select for them. Women tell men to pick better because they say they want one thing but then select for other characteristics: It can't be “I have bad taste in women”. No, it has to be “AWALT”.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 04:08 AM
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Who women choose as partners and which men father the most children are not precisely the same thing, women who have more children essentially get more votes on which genes (of the father and the mother) pass on to the next generation. Now this is anecdotal, but I see women having more control over the number of children couples end up having and see the child-free movement being much more common among more intelligent, or at least more educated women. Women are basically choosing to breed (thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 03:45 AM
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If you think of this place as a sub dedicated to hating men on the autism spectrum all the mod behavior starts to make sense…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 02:58 AM
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Define “at least some romantic success”. In my experience there are plenty of guys who meet all of those and don’t get to the point of introducing dates to their friends, if not falling short of early steps in the process. Wasn’t as much the case in college or 5-10 years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 09:15 PM
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Somewhat depends what your goals are, I’ve lost friendships by reading signs wrong and asking.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 08:18 PM
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Have any of the discussions here been about people not knowing the words to say on if others have plans, or are they mostly other issues?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 08:08 PM
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I think there are fewer women in mixed social groups for people out of college, especially fewer single women. Men in particular are more hesitant to ask out women they become friends with, they’ll either use apps or will ask out women they’ve just met at a club or something, but couples forming from hobby groups or friends of friends is not something I’ve seen much of the last couple years, at least among those out of college. Also the idea that couples are mostly matched in terms of weight/fat…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 07:29 PM
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Q4A: when was the last time you went out on a first date with someone? Follow-on: when was the last time you did the asking for a first date? Was it someone in person or online, someone you had known for a while or just met? I feel there’s a lot of discussion on “should you ask the fish or the fisherman” argued by people who have been neither fish nor fishermen in 5+ years…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 06:55 PM
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Oof, what a sad day. I was going to just say no, that you need to be able to argue without getting upset, not just in romantic relationships but in work groups as well. Then thought about how most people can’t do that, and how I’ve never actually worked with a woman who could. I’m sure they exist, I just haven’t met one yet. What a sad realization…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 11:57 PM
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Men actually like other men, that's the difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 10:40 PM
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Like the woman from Roe v Wade? I wonder if they teach that part in schools now when going over the case...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 10:37 PM
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Q4W: Would you accept being in a long term relationship with a man who did not find you intelligent and didn't care about your opinions, if he still went through the motions of listening to you every so often? Furthermore, is expecting a yes or no answer to this question (with context or details of course) expecting women to "obey" me or just the general expectation of good faith debate we should all have on this sub?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 07:00 PM
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Please read the sub rules on trolling.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 06:29 PM
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Who did you last vote for in the FBI election?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 05:35 PM
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Please try to consider the context of the debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 11:15 AM
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So outside of work/school and necessary things like running errands, how many different friends or acquaintances from these activities have you talked with in the past week? The problem with hobbies that are generally done individually isn't that you can never do them in a group, just that they don't often happen in a group and your overall social circle is limited. Hobbies with larger social circles tend to be more male dominated, which means it is far easier for women to add a large number of …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 03:04 AM
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Men dating and marrying women they don't like but want to look at also exists Who says this is ok? Is there any woman on this sub who wants to be in such a relationship with someone who doesn’t like them as a person or respect their opinions? I see plenty of women saying men should settle for women who aren’t attracted to them and it’s not an issue, but none who would accept a partner who doesn’t like and respect them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 12:51 AM
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I wouldn’t be surprised if much of that is people from different generations acting differently. Just because 35 year olds in 2023 have more sex than 25 year olds in 2023, doesn’t mean that 35 year olds in 2033 will have more sex than 25 year olds in 2023.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 12:43 AM
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i embroider, sew, crochet, bake, paint, play piano, roller blade, ice skate, hike, maintain a flower & vegetable garden, take pilates classes, read about history, etc. So… a bunch of hobbies done individually?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 11:36 PM
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Turns out fascists can win elections…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 07:33 PM
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Did you watch the video? I post a link, you ignore it, then ask for a link? Trolling is against the rules of this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 07:32 PM
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Is it just violence? Someone is facing jail time for a meme about being able to vote by text, despite the government having zero proof anyone was actually prevented from voting, and of course having b no consequences for people of other political ideologies posting similar content. These watch lists are looking for an excuse to bend the law to go after people they view as threats to their party winning elections.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 02:57 AM
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Yes, criminalizing any non-approved ideologies is a common occurrence in fascist states.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 08:26 PM
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Based on the spending habits of women in the relationships I’ve seen this is not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 07:59 PM
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Most people marry others with comparable incomes. The median income gap is the man making 50% more than the woman. Imagine if the median age gap in relationships was the man being 50% older, would we call them people of comparable ages?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 07:21 PM
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Imagine being a mod on here and thinking the women who play dumb just to troll really are that dumb and are posting in good faith. I don’t think I could ever hate women that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 07:06 PM
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When did I bring this up? You talked about people YOU found ugly, not that their partners found them ugly. And you still won’t answer the question. Why do you just come here to troll?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 07:04 PM
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I see ugly people in happy relationships. Also, I have seen pretty people in relationships where they were disregarded. Why does this matter in a discussion about having your partner find you attractive? Being aesthetically pleasing and having your opinions valued are not the same thing. That’s not an answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 06:38 PM
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Most people, men and women, want a partner who both finds them attractive and values their opinions. I wanted to see if you're stance that men shouldn't care about one of those things so long as their partner went through the motions also applied to yourself for the other thing. So, what's your answer?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 05:52 PM
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Would you want a partner who thinks you're unintelligent and doesn't value your opinions, but they listen to you out of a sense of duty while dating and slowly decrease that once you get married?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 05:30 PM
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He’s gonna live to see 80 years old, and she’s not.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 02:34 AM
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Half the couples I know look like Kermit and Miss Piggy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 09:02 PM
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Guys can only sell a living relationship if that’s what the woman is looking to buy. But an increasing number of women don’t care about that, they want social status from their relationship the same way they want social status from their filtered photos and boss bitch IG stories and luxury goods bought on credit and curated public-facing lives. Most women aren’t like that, but the women who are like that tend to be the ones still single as they get older, until it seems like they’re a majority o…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 09:00 PM
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Not all women. Some women not wanting to date in their league has the same cause as many of those same women making a bunch of heavily filtered social media posts, taking pictures of their food instead of just being present with their friends, and needing safe spaces in schools away from anyone who disagrees with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 08:45 PM
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What counts as basics? I already don’t butcher the chicken I cooked today, I don’t pick up my own garbage every week from the curb, I can’t fix my air conditioning if it breaks. If fewer people have kids and we have 80% as many people total but only 60% as many to do these jobs, who picks up the slack? Even if I can push my lawnmower around at 80 who is doing the basic work I already outsource in my early 30s?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 08:41 PM
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So? You need someone to do the work, if there are 2 retired people for every working age person that’s not enough workers to support society.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 06:27 PM
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What job do you plan on working when you’re 80?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 03:54 PM
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No, because I don’t see the same discrimination from hiring managers in other fields. We have these survey results showing bias against men in women-dominated fields, but in male-dominated fields like engineering I have seen job openings that specify only interviewing candidates at women’s-only conferences. There is discrimination in favor of women on both ends.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 03:53 PM
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The Democratic Party’s position on naming Biden’s VP and a potential senate appointment in California.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 03:51 PM
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If that's most women so be it. Get ready for a future where 60% of men never get married!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 01:53 PM
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Sure it does, half the country supports quotas for black women for vice president and senator appointments.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 01:45 PM
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Bartenders are about 2/3rds women, 1/3rd men despite being fairly lucrative for the low barrier to entry. From anecdotal evidence the cause is blatant sexism in hiring, and the same is likely true for jobs like childcare. The men who would want those jobs, for whom those jobs would be pay increases, cannot compete with the resumes of the women applying and deal with blatant sexism where women are preferred almost to the point of it being a requirement. Research on men being perceived as less cap…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 01:35 PM
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And women do jobs men don't want either, they just pay less. The men don’t want those jobs because they pay less. Or in some cases like servers or bartenders there are men who would love those jobs but there is a strong preference for women among hiring managers so the men don’t get them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 01:56 AM
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That doesn’t answer the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 01:44 AM
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If we assume women would never lie there’s nothing to fear. Unfortunately, there are many examples of women lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 05:59 PM
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Just like people who ask for std tests before having sex, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 05:57 PM
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The issue is less a moral one and more a practical one. Women tend to look for certain attributes in men, and while all these criteria are reasonable their independence makes the math difficult for most women to find an adequate partner. For example, I would say most women look for men who are: Somewhat tall In reasonable shape Facially attractive and who take care of their appearance Have decent jobs / incomes Have decent social skills / aren't mean Can cook / clean / plan dates / show up to pl…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 03:25 AM
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If we assume I’m right, then aren’t I right?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 06:28 PM
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How do I prove a question? You said not incels, but implied you were talking about people who bitch constantly, wouldn’t incels be the ones bitching constantly?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 12:34 AM
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So your advice is for the men who bitch about not having dates or sex but that do frequently have dates and sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 09:25 PM
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Ah, I should have assumed you were talking about the problems for men who don’t have problems, my bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 09:12 PM
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Except for being ‘loyal and dependable’ and ‘kind and understanding’ incels had lower minimum standards across 15 different mate characteristics. I find it funny how some women here will keep posting the same advice while ignoring studies that show the exact opposite to be true.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 09:03 PM
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It’s not even that, However, the interesting thing was that non-incel men made the exact same errors for every trait we looked at. So the results were that all men, successful or not, felt the traits women valued did not match the traits women said they valued.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 08:47 PM
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Men hit the wall at either 18 or 22, since leaving school is the last time they’ll be in an environment that is at least 50-50.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 02:55 AM
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You: “men here do X” Me: “no, they are mostly like me and do Y” You: “that’s not relevant” Why be here if you’re just going to accuse anyone who disagrees of lying?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 11:10 PM
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What’s the point of saying men have unreasonable standards when you’re just going to accuse men of lying when they state their standards? 80% of PPDs problems would be solved by lowering their standards but nooo they want the OF/IG model bc that's what they think is a normal woman. I’m 6’1” 180 lbs and of the women I’ve dated in the last year more have had bigger waists than me rather than smaller. They were cute, but had real jobs not being IG models. Unfortunately my standards of putting effor…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 11:02 PM
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Who are some examples then? Because if there’s enough fat that you’re noticing how it’s distributed it’s more likely that the person has an unhealthy level of fat, even if their weight is ok. Guys have that same problem, except storing fat on their bellies is the norm rather than the exception. Like who among the US women’s soccer team is invisible to men despite being fit? Which Olympic athletes? Or do those sports somehow select based not on skill but on how attractive to men the athletes are?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 09:58 PM
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But the proportions are less impacted by genetics the more fit a person is.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 09:48 PM
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So you’re just ignoring what I said?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 08:31 PM
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Ass is a muscle and the vast majority of men don’t care that a fit (not underweight, just healthy) woman doesn’t also have huge breasts.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 08:30 PM
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Obviously you don’t get rid of all your fat, that’s not what fit means, it just means being in a healthy range. The lower overall percentage means there’s less impact of genetics for where your body stores excess fat. Women at 40% body fat might have very noticeable differences in where that fat is primarily stored, but those same women at 20% or 15% will look more similar. Butt and hips both include muscle, and hips are more bone structure than anything. Or you are going to tell me that big boo…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 08:28 PM
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Statistically there should be. Not given what we know about BMI. BMI overestimates obesity among taller people and underestimates it among shorter people, as well as assuming very little muscle for both men and women. Those hot guys are almost exclusively overweight according to BMI, despite actually being fit, but the fit women are considered healthy by BMI. So when BMI says 30% of men and 30% of women are in the healthy range, it’s really more like 35% of men and 27% of women. All this red pil…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 07:55 PM
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They think a fit man’s league should be fit women, which is the key part they’re wrong on. That’s why they get so upset they can’t get a woman “in their league” because there just aren’t enough fit women out there for the number of fit men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 07:22 PM
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If a man wants a clean house but only does cleaning when his wife asks him to, isn’t it a chore for her to always do the asking? If a woman hates always having to ask does it mean that they don’t like men or don’t want a clean house?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 07:15 PM
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Right, men on here get upset because they think women are equals so a fit man’s league should be fit women. In reality there are more fit men than fit women, because women aren’t equal to men in terms of impulse control.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 06:56 PM
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“In his league” is code for 5 inches shorter and 15 pounds heavier.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 06:46 PM
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Storing fat in the wrong places only matters if you’re fat. Fit people don’t even know whether they store fat in the “right” or “wrong” places.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 06:31 PM
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Life expectancy is also very much a lagging indicator. Looking at my friends in our low 30s I wouldn't be surprised if men's life expectancy outpaced women's, but that won't happen for 50ish years even if it does.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 03:53 AM
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It has certainly gone up in the last 20 years. But I guess we could just assume all data is invalid and not have any opinions about anything since we have nothing to base them on.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 03:41 AM
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And yet we have more depression and suicide. Somehow modern culture and objectively better lives leave us as a population less happy than traditional culture and objectively worse lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 02:51 AM
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There’s this pervasive myth that defies reality that woman are not going for average men, which isn’t true. Who says it’s not true? We know there are perpetually single women who would like to be in relationships with the right guy, and many of them are above average. They have good jobs, are educated, stay in relatively good shape, take care of their appearance, and are fun and interesting people to be around. On the other hand we say perpetually single men are overweight, live in their parents…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 02:47 AM
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So how many rules need to exist for it to no longer be a free market? Do laws against polygamy or laws around child support and alimony mean today's market is artificially inflated in favor of women?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 03:19 AM
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I think this is only true if you define neurodivergence in the broadest sense, to the point where any man being introverted qualifies as being on the spectrum. In general I think people mix up being socially "skilled" with just being extroverted. It's like playing basketball with no refs where the bigger player might be viewed as "more skilled" but really they just push people around and aren't that good at the game. Extroverts can be very awkward but as long as they're loud people just sort of …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 03:16 AM
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Equalizing social conditions starting in the latter half of the 20th century means that women don't need to pair up at all. This allows them to be much more selective about who they do sleep with, date and marry. Logically, this isn't a market problem, but a market correction. But why does this mean the previous market was inflated for men instead of the previous market being equal and the current market being inflated for women? Social limits on sex outside of marriage, or at least outside of c…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 10:35 PM
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Wanting fit partners is one of the most universal traits men and women look for and one of few traits that is attractive to both men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 10:27 PM
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I hear this a lot but this is so opposite of what my experience is irl. Really? Among couples I know in their late 20s and especially early 30s, the woman is in general the heavier one in the relationship despite being 5-6 inches shorter. Not all couples, but more than half.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 09:41 PM
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the entire market was massively, artificially inflated by the fact that women depended on men for their entire social, economic and political value. That doesn't make sense when the population is still mostly equal, it forces women to pair up faster but with the same number of men and women in the population that behavior by women will force men to pair up sooner and even out the market. Top 10% men still paired with top 10% women, same for middle quintile, same for bottom 20%, it's not like wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 09:29 PM
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Plenty of other analogies as well: if I say marriage is like a journey does that mean I'm saying women are like dirt because hiking a dirt trail is a type of journey? Lots of women on here (or men pretending to be women) like to play dumb and then report people for personal attacks when they get told their takes are dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 05:33 PM
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You would need to make an actual comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 05:30 PM
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The secret is to find a woman who doesn't have unrealistic expectations for your behavior, and is grateful for whatever you contribute. If only that was more than like 10% of women…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 12:49 PM
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How does it not work? Red pill isn’t about changing women or changing how the dating market works, it’s understanding how it works and changing individual behaviors as a guy to get their most optimal outcome. Women might feel shame at the descriptions, but the red pill doesn’t tell all women what they ought to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 12:46 PM
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MacCoby & Mnookin finds that mothers obtained their PREFERRED custodial arrangement twice as often as fathers What do you think it says about the bias of the media that you consume that your guess was so far off?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 02:56 AM
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I’d do a lot more for a good looking woman than a homely looking woman. And women would be well within their rights to judge you for that behavior, or attempt to pick men who didn’t behave like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 08:00 PM
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Why would anyone dobany sacrifice for the team when there is no team ? Given how women treat relationships as transactional you’re getting so close to understanding why men behave the way they do in marriages.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 03:25 PM
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The issue is that these guys here who call themselves 'alpha' have never left their rooms, yet somehow they feel entitled to a young beautiful '10/10' woman. How does the work? That hasn’t been my experience of guys on here who claim to be struggling. Mostly they label others as Chad and use the term only to describe women’s behavior. Also, most aren’t saying they want someone who is 10/10, but lamenting that supposedly “average” women won’t date “average” men like them. You have a small subset …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 02:51 AM
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Impossible challenge: Have a debate of 10 comments back and forth with a woman on here, but you have to stop when they insult you or make things about you personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 06:22 PM
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Why ask for proof if you’re just going to agree? Also, do you have a summary or specific time stamp for the video? I’m not watching a half hour video with no clue what I’m supposed to be looking for. You said: “the job openings at my company that only women were allowed to apply to” which is discrimination Yes, I’m telling you something happened and your response is that it does not happen because it ought not happen? How does that make sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 02:16 PM
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Is criminal behavior not incorrect behavior just because crime is disproportionately committed by men? It’s more that bad behavior by women is much less likely to be considered criminal. There are plenty of laws against physical assault but lying and reputation destruction is less likely to be punished. Other than that, the company would be sued in the USA. There has been men who have won discrimination cases. I’m sure you can find a source then. The fact is companies that set out goals of “havi…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 01:24 PM
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Yes, you can have both situations, times where men and women have different behaviors (not all men vs all women, but most men one way and most women another) where the more woman-like behavior is considered correct and the more man-like behavior is considered incorrect. Also, you can have situations where there is explicit bias, like the job openings at my company that only women were allowed to apply to or having promotion quotas.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 12:39 PM
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It shouldn't be about money but about splitting your time equally so both can rest. That’s why the difference in standards is so important. Imagine instead of just driving a normal car your boyfriend bought a BMW M3 or something, then said you both needed to work 10-20 hours overtime each week to afford it. Even if he was working the overtime too you might be resentful because you don’t value the fancy car as much as all the time spent paying for it, especially if you knew your bf drove just a n…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 09:26 PM
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Weaponized incompetence is men putting the same effort into chores that women put into their careers. Women choosing jobs they view as fun over jobs that make more money but are less fun is responsible for over 100% of the wage gap.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 03:05 AM
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Yes, people have different standards for how clean things should be. The strange part is in my experience when women live alone they tend to have standards closer to men. Somehow the same woman who cleaned the toilet in her apartment once a month needs to clean the toilets in the house her and her husband own twice a week. Now, given married men earn more than single men, wouldn’t it make sense men are doing something similar with work outside the home? Putting in more effort and leaving themsel…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 02:37 AM
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That sounds like the OP’s point you disagreed with.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 06:41 PM
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And it does go both ways. But you just said the opposite, that you don't communicate about it because it's obvious. Pick an argument and stick with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 01:32 PM
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"Communicating" about the obvious with a partner is not going to change their feelings, it's just gonna do damage. I think that mentality is simply not compatible with a mature and loving relationship, and only exists in relationships where the two involved see each other more as adversaries than as partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 03:07 AM
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"Social skills" and extroversion are not the same thing. It's best to have both, but awkward extroverts do better than well adjusted introverts.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 01:15 AM
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Guys, you can't sit there, expect her to initiate, get you hard, then bring you to orgasm. While you're just along for the ride as if you're doing her a favor. We can all agree that's just being lazy. Right? Ladies... WE can't just lay there, expect the guy to initiate, turn us on with foreplay, perform sexually, and bring us to orgasm. While we're just along for the ride as if we're doing them a favor. We can all agree that's just being lazy. Right? Guys & Gals - if you want to get yours, YOU n…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 12:57 AM
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Where is that in OP’s post?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 07:07 PM
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Communication and paying attention goes both ways. That was the OP's point in this thread, yet so many women here are trying to disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 05:07 PM
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So all women are the same in this regard? Learning how we work with each other has been a part of any relationship I’ve ever been in, and it doesn’t happen right away because women don’t all like the same things and men don’t like the same things. Assuming men should just get it right the first time with women having no agency or need to communicate is a fundamental misunderstanding of how sex works.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 03:51 PM
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There’s a rather troubling brand of feminism that assumes women have zero agency and thus cannot be held responsible for what happens in their lives, it is solely the responsibility of those around them. Sex and orgasms are just one example of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 03:13 PM
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How should people learn how to do X if they’ve never practiced it before? Saying “they should do X because it’s important” doesn’t answer the question…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 03:10 PM
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The men who struggle like this aren't the only ones who can't accept their reality, basically all of society can't accept that their situation exists. A man who is overweight and has no job and doesn't have his life together will of course know that his dating prospects are poor, the trouble is for men who seem to be at least decent partners who can't seem to find similarly decent women. So a guy might think that since he's in good physical shape and good financial shape and has hobbies and frie…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 02:19 AM
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What exactly do you think globalism means? Your comment comes across like saying someone can't be fascist because they drive an American-made car.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 11:12 PM
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That doesn’t answer the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 05:02 PM
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The behavior matters more than the results. A wife leaving her husband because he got laid off is kinda shitty for the kids. A wife leaving her husband because he got laid off 2 years ago and now isn’t even bothering to look for a job is much more reasonable. Or would you say a women doesn’t care about their children if she were to leave in the latter case?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 02:56 PM
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Is it so hard to accept that surveys during years where data collection methods needed to be changed would be considered less likely to be accurate?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 02:10 AM
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Are we pretending that’s a future thing and not already the case?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 07:54 PM
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Men choosing to not do those things is viewed as sad. The difference is that men are assumed to have a longer window to achieve those things and are assumed to have less control over whether they achieve those things than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 08:43 PM
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Waist to height ratio above 0.5
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 08:40 PM
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Of the times I've been in a library or bookstore or really any type of store I've basically never had someone who didn't work there come up and start a conversation with me, nor have I done so with anyone else. I also don't know of anyone in my friend group who met a partner in that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 12:25 AM
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Who said superior or that one works better? I said men have more friends in total but women have more close relationships. And when it comes to men's "isolation", it's mostly others saying it for them. The men themselves are perfectly fine saying they're mostly complaining about dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 12:15 AM
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Sure, it's not 100% and 0%, but there's still a huge difference. Guys complaining about isolation is basically just due to relationships, finding friends as a guy is super easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 10:43 PM
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Yes, there is a huge crisis of social anxiety among women. Wanting to put down men with modern feminism comes from the same place as wanting to be special with brightly colored hair.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 10:40 PM
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As I said in another comment, the key with what we think of as women's spaces is whether or not you are expected to socialize with people you weren't friends with before you got there. Plenty of men like to play golf, but it's a poor way to meet people because you mostly just stick with your group. Similar story for all the places you listed, sure you can try to cold approach but the expectation at a library or museum or concert or painting class or farmers market is that you only need to talk w…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 10:34 PM
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It's like claiming millennials who can't buy a house didn't go to college. Obviously having a college degree helps your income, but plenty of people who have them still struggle because of the overall market.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 10:25 PM
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Friendship. Men who struggle with dating obviously have no friends, and especially have no female friends. Except for most of the men here who claim to struggle. They must be having friendships wrong somehow though, it can’t be the system that’s broken.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 09:09 PM
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It’s not that social networks are male dominated it’s that male interests will be male dominated and female interest will be female dominated. Go to a paint and sip venue - packed with women. A man would feel awkward there I’m sure. Spin class, yoga, yumba, boba places, restaurants, go to places that women go to you’ll see women. And what’s the difference between those male dominated spaces and female dominated ones? The spaces women dominate have the expectation of little to no interaction with…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 09:04 PM
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Authoritarianism can be either right or left. It can be left wing like the Soviet Union or right wing like the modern CCP.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 08:24 PM
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You pointed out the real issue - no friends. My point was that this issue of “no friends” is not true for many men, even if those men struggle with dating. The issue OP was talking about, a lack of third spaces, or as you said, a lack of friends, doesn’t explain the issues for men in dating, which is the problem OP is trying to give a cause for. I agree with you that such spaces exist, and disagree that a lack of friends is an issue for men. The root issue with dating for men is that women have …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 08:21 PM
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So when the Democratic Party talks about getting back to 70% marginal income taxes or upholding Roe v Wade or undoing banking changes that happened under Reagan, that means the Democrats are the right wing and Republicans are left wing in the US? A focus on tradition is the hallmark of any political ideology that is in power, whether right or left or anywhere on the spectrum.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 07:46 PM
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You can have friends as a guy and even find third spaces to go to and still not have any luck dating. I went to a rec center to learn pickleball with a guy friend within the last week, while they’re even met new people, but they were all guys. Similar stories with volunteering and professional organizations: either meet new guys or meet couples. There is maybe something to be said about guys having few close friends, people they can count on to pick them up at 2AM if their car breaks down. But i…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 07:24 PM
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I mean, the 10% vs 1% dynamic is of the people still single. Maybe those 10% are only top 30% compared to the full population because most people are coupled up, but the issue still remains.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 03:59 PM
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Yes, those sorts of women were easier for me to date 10+ years ago / in college. Meeting people in person was easier back when women were fine with men who were their relative match. I don’t know whether to blame OLD, other social media, or some other societal factor for this but it sure does suck.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 03:29 PM
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If there were equal relative levels then sure. When women who are top 10% in athleticism only want men who are top 1% you end up with a lot of single people.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 03:02 PM
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Not sure on the millionaires part, but the women in the sports group I’m in who only have eyes for the semi-pro athletes kinda fit this.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 01:13 PM
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The difference is that your study was a meta-analysis of bunch of different studies and the data includes people meting anywhere from 2002-2020 indiscriminately. Not meeting between 2002-2020, the data was collected from 2002-2020. It could very easily contain data from couples who first met in 1990 or 1950 but answered the survey in 2002 or 2020. I also brought up that the data was mostly from people still in college, but got no response on that other than personal insults that I must just hate…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 06:19 PM
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It’s often equity, not equality that feminism pushes for, but only where it benefits women. We need equal numbers of women in management, but ignore that the people who choose to go into my STEM field are mostly men. Also ignore that there’s a huge time delay since plenty of managers have been in management for decades. So at my company/skill code the workers aged 30-40 who might be going into management for the first time are 75% male, but the new managers from that group are 75% women. We call…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 03:29 PM
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It’s amazing how salty the 40 year olds on here get when you point out that they can’t read studies correctly and the data they cite doesn’t actually match their conclusions. “The data is the data”, yeah, but the data doesn’t say what you think it says…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 03:18 PM
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Then I asked how many of the couples in that study met after 2015, and you couldn't answer. You assumed the data was new enough to be relevant, but can't cite that it actually is. In general you have to assume data is not relevant until you can prove it is, you're doing the opposite, assuming it is relevant with no proof then claiming because we have no proof I can't assume it isn't relevant. Show your data that 68% is relevant to dating today.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 10:23 PM
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You have a link that doesn't back up your claim. I quoted your link to make my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 10:15 PM
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The claim was that most people were friends before dating. Don’t want to link to avoid breaking witch hunting rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 10:00 PM
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I’m claiming if we don’t know how many we can’t say the statistic is relevant to dating today. YOU made the claim it was relevant, and now your reasoning is that we don’t know the data so maybe it is?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 09:59 PM
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And yet still no actual debate. What percentage of the data that went into that 68% number came from couples who met after 2015? Of that, how much was people in college versus out of college? How about talking about the data instead of making statements about me personally?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 09:15 PM
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That's not the same statement as was made in the previous post.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 09:13 PM
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It’s amazing how quickly they start to insult you if you say that how dating works has changed in the last 10 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 08:36 PM
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You’ve said in multiple posts now that my objections are due to “not liking the data” while being unable or unwilling to respond to the actual objections I raised. Can’t debate, so you insult.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 08:34 PM
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Published study: “Between 2002 and 2020 we asked people who had been in relationships for an unknown amount of time how they met.” Blue pill logic: “This is data on how couples meet in 2021”.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 08:25 PM
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Can’t defend your conclusion with the data so you just insult me? Please read the rules of this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 08:21 PM
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You may have me confused with another poster who posted another study. I appreciate how you’re insulting me based on your mistake. And from your study: Participants (N = 1,897) took part in seven studies that our labs conducted between 2002 and 2020 for other purposes. In all studies, the data that we report have not been published previously and were collected as part of the demographic survey prior to any experimental manipulations (if present; publications reporting other data from these samp…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 08:03 PM
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Where did I cite anything? Also, you failed to answer the question which is telling. Please read your own study.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 07:32 PM
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How much of that data was from couples who met in 2020? You really should read the study before citing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 06:59 PM
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Date the article was written != date data was collected != date the relationships in question started. Also, a majority of the couples sampled were current students at the time of collection, which the study gives as 2002-2020. So yes, being friends first is a great strategy for college students in 2009. That doesn’t mean it works for single adults in 2023.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 06:19 PM
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Yes, dating today is far different from even as recently as the early 2010s. If you have been married for a while dating was significantly easier for you than it is for men today.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 04:00 PM
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Yes, for most men just getting to the point of getting to know someone is so difficult they don't really have the option to vet based on personality. Forget N count and casual sex, most men my age (35 and under) haven't been "facebook official" where they call themselves boyfriend and girlfriend with 3 different women, even the ones who are married. Do you think they all just got lucky and happened to find out the first and only woman they were exclusive with was an exact perfect personality mat…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 02:21 AM
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The real moment he was talking about
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 09:11 PM
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This is sort of the issue with dating: the problems women face men also face but since men have worse problems they don't complain about them as much. Women have loads of options, but almost all of them aren't the right people they want for long term commitment. Men have very few options, but also almost all of them aren't the right people they want for long term commitment. It's just that since getting a date at all is so hard for most men they don't believe they have the right to vet based on …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 08:31 PM
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If you go by BMI where any guy who's 6' and can bench 200 lbs is at least overweight, the rates are similar. If you want better measures then we don't have data. But if you look at severe obesity, where muscle and height are less likely to have an influence, the rate is 50% higher for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 07:58 PM
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But I've never seen any data that even in terms of fat % over norm, men in America are significantly less obese than women. Because we don't really collect that data. You also haven't seen any data saying that going by body fat percentage or waist to height ratio that men and women have roughly even rates of obesity. What we do know is at the extreme end, when viewing severe obesity where it's harder for muscle or height to have a meaningful impact, the rate for women is 50% higher than the rate…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 07:36 PM
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No. Saying there are cultural differences between countries is not the same as claiming fully grown adults in other countries cannot be trusted to make their own decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 07:02 PM
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They don’t, they claim being fit as a man is not enough to be able to date fit women. Whether this is fit women sharing men or opting out of dating, or that BMI is a bad measure and there really are more fit men than fit women, these men know their dating experiences. It’s the women and 40+ crowd who warp the discussion into men being fat to invalidate and ignore other people’s experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 06:47 PM
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Feminism hasn’t been about equality for a very long time.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 09:35 PM
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Why are you supportive of large real estate investment companies?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 09:33 PM
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At least 60% chance this is made up by a guy as an indirect complaint about how single mothers act in the dating market.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 06:41 PM
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A lot of the guys here suffer with main character syndrome They don’t acknowledge that ugly (even normal/attractive women) don’t want to just get fucked by some stranger and want a relationship instead, to them if you CAN get sex then you have nothing to complain about These aren’t comments about what men think?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 03:40 PM
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You: “men think X” Me: “no, men think Y” You: “why do you have to make it all about men?” You made it about men first.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 03:19 PM
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Why did I bring up how men think I response to a comment on how men think? Is that seriously your question?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 03:02 PM
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Just because it’s harder for women to get a committed relationship than it is for women to get sex doesn’t mean it’s easier for men to get a committed relationship than it is for women to get a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 02:09 PM
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Because it’s like women in rape cases, you know you’re signing up for a drawn out legal battle where your character will be public attacked and you have little chance of winning. The difference is it also costs men a lot of money to try.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 12:16 PM
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Why don’t men bankrupt themselves to build a statistic for a fight most politicians don’t care about? Probably for similar reasons as why women underreport rape and sexual assault. Imagine how low the numbers would be if calling the police cost $10,000.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 11:58 AM
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That’s why it’s relevant that men have very little recourse in modern relationships if their partners are unreasonable. They are less likely to be taken seriously if facing physical abuse and basically never taken seriously in regards to verbal abuse. Divorce courts still rule heavily in women’s favor, especially if kids are involved. Men also have a much harder time getting to the stage in dating where you can learn a potential partner’s personality and ability to communicate, so there’s more t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 04:26 AM
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Are we pretending beard thickness isn’t just as genetic as height?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 02:54 PM
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But surprisingly, you also can be equals and just…talk your issues through. Not all women! Being able to talk through disagreements in a mature manner is something of a skill and not all people have it. Modern relationships give men very little recourse if their partners cannot argue reasonably. You see advice like this for men that is basically survival tips for dealing with an abusive partner because a substantial number of women are verbally abusive partners. Not all women of course, just lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 02:07 PM
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Did I say they weren’t in general? I just see a trend with all my guy friends who have met someone post-covid: settle for someone fatter, with more debt, and fewer hobbies
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 01:51 PM
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And yet most people still end ended up in LTRs in the past. Dating was much better pre 2015 than it is now. If you want an LTR as a guy today it’s either be in the top 10% of guys or settle for someone fatter, with more debt, and fewer hobbies.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 12:35 PM
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For age gaps to be the reason for the difference we’d need the average gap among 30-49 year old women to be 5 years. Given the number of men who must be dating younger to make the 18-29 numbers work out and that 30-49 year old men are more likely single than 30-49 year old women, you need slightly more than 1/4 women in this group to be dating men who are 50+.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 08:03 PM
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I can’t even remember a time where someone on here made an actual counter argument, it’s mostly just stating non sequiturs or insults. Take financial abortions for an example, you might make an argument that they shouldn’t exist. Instead, people on here will say things like “since women have to physically carry children, they should be the ones to choose if the pregnancy is terminated”. None of that is an argument against financial abortions, because you can have financial abortions and still ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 05:57 PM
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Also interesting that all the paired off people were with SO's for at least 15 years. More evidence that when people say couples are looks matched, they mean couples that formed before 2015, not the current dating market.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 05:46 PM
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So you’re either trolling, failed to read my comments, or failed to understand. Which is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 05:41 PM
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You’ve stated that other parts of the system that financial abortions would not change are fair Please do not troll and actually engage with the comments, in accordance with the rules of this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 04:23 PM
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Unless the implication here is Thai women have no agency It’s not a race thing, a core tenet of modern feminism is that all women have no agency, and any poor decisions they might make are only because they are forced into them by outside sources.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 04:11 PM
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Why does a system being known mean it can’t be changed? Two hundred years ago women couldn’t vote and they knew they couldn’t vote. Does that mean it’s wrong for us to have changed the rules and allowed women to vote? The argument for financial abortions is that the system is unfair and should be changed. You’ve stated that other parts of the system that financial abortions would not change are fair, and that the system is known. Neither of those things are arguments against financial abortions.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 04:04 PM
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Outside of the most attractive men, women’s pickiness based on surface level factors prevents men from being able to be picky based on personality. In general you need to date someone to really determine their personality and whether or not they’re a fit with you, but to get to that point you first need to pass the surface level filters. If they do choose women can go on a bunch of dates in a short period of time through apps or by joining various in-person groups, and many have male friends aro…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 03:00 PM
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Because someone else is the one making the choice on those repercussions. A better comparison would be two people go to rob a store, one to go inside and one to drive the getaway car. They don’t mean to hurt anyone, but then the robber who went inside ends up shooting someone. Does the driver get charged with the killing, or just the robbery? Why do you think that your example, when applied consistently with the situation of accidental pregnancy, actually supports allowing financial abortions fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 12:49 PM
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There’s nothing we can do about that But there is something we can do, we can give both partners the right to choose whether to accept financial responsibility without taking away a woman's bodily autonomy. Your arguments don't fit your conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 12:09 PM
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Why should men escape the repercussions of his actions? Because women have that option. Did they not know they didn’t have final say in abortions? Did they not know sex can lead to pregnancy? Why does a system being known mean it can’t be changed?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 11:30 AM
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Financial abortions have zero impact on what another person’s body goes through.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 03:30 AM
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Not all women. It’s not that things always worked like they do today and we just didn’t understand, different strategies actually worked better. When the people on this sub who are 40+ say “dating works like this” they’re half right because it did back when they were dating, it just doesn’t anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 02:56 AM
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Destiny has good social skills? The dude always seemed super awkward around other SC2 players, not exactly the coolest of the cool kids. Good social skills are barely even a requirement, the requirement is to be extroverted. Extroverted and super awkward is way better for guys than introverted but socially well adjusted.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 02:39 AM
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Why does that mean both sides can’t have a choice in the matter? Women can choose to have children with sperm donors even though we don’t demand the man making the donation provides child support. Is that system exploitive of women?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 02:35 AM
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I don’t understand this argument. “We shouldn’t change our systems because people know what those systems are.”
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 11:01 PM
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This is the biggest difference. Obviously for casual sex, but even for committed relationships women just don’t like men as much as men like women, so women are more likely to be fine just opting out of dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 10:23 PM
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Your chances are lower because the upper age range includes too many married people.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 01:10 AM
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I doubt the majority of gen x or millennials want their income taxes doubled. At least of the ones who vote.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 08:42 PM
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Might not fix housing or education, but for the low price of doubling every income rate we could come close to funding M4A.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 04:41 PM
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The social security administration? Only in America can we take a flat 12% tax, let rich people get out of it, and then give retirement returns as if those funds were invested at 1% growth and think “ah yes, what a great program for the poor and middle class”.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 03:56 PM
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Makes sense evolutionarily: pregnancy is tough on women so a woman’s body in poor physical health will seek to prevent getting pregnant.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 03:51 PM
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Straight up cash no, but free labor (especially at work) is pretty common. Women will want to present at conferences but not make the presentation themselves, so they make it a group thing and just expect the men to do all the work on the presentation. “Let’s have a meeting to work on this, but can you drive and share your screen?”
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 07:39 PM
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How it’s reasonable to want equality among good outcomes without just wanting bad outcomes for everyone. I’ve seen multiple comments respond this way to the claim that men are just virtue signaling on equality, no real response from you, but you repeat the virtue signaling accusation. Are you here for debate or just to troll?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 07:29 PM
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All the other replies to your posts.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 06:35 PM
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Why keep repeating this while ignoring all the counter arguments people have given you?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 05:26 PM
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Why would everyone else pay? There’s a shortage of healthy infants available for adoption, if a woman lacks the ability to support the child herself even if she isn’t allowed an abortion she can give the child to a couple who really wants it. After a paper abortion she wouldn’t need to worry about the father seeking custody and needing to pay CP herself. I believe most of these programs even have the adopting family cover medical costs of the pregnancy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 05:17 PM
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So it’s virtue signaling for men to advocate for a system that treats men and women well, over our current system that treats women well and men shitty, because those men also don’t want a system that treats both men and women shitty? How is that a reasonable argument?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 04:29 PM
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It’s a global problem with nations that have developed very quickly: they tend to be much better at memorization and repetition than innovation and problem solving.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 04:08 AM
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I’d say fitness is close to the same, it’s hard to get better numbers than BMI but there are good studies out there showing how BMI overestimates obesity in men relative to women. It kinda makes sense though, because there aren’t that many guys super frustrated with dating. But the guys who are the least attractive among fit men or least attractive among financially stable men, or whatever will be very upset because the women who are their relative match the population just aren’t their objectiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 03:59 AM
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Having men and women as friends, seeing how they spend money, talking to friends and family in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 02:45 AM
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No, we go based on years of experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 02:19 AM
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I'm saying if a fit, financially literate man wants a fit, financially literate woman he's going to have a hard time because there aren't enough of those women for those men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 12:21 AM
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Guys who make $30k but have no concept of how money works can spend the same as a person making $150k who saves money responsibly, the $30k dude will just have a lot of debt. The problem is for the responsible guy making $50-75k, even though he's above average he won't spend as much as guys making less and now has to limit his options away from women who don't know how to save money.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 12:09 AM
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Asked as if 90% of guys in relationships aren’t already doing B, except she is around 2-3/10 instead of 7/10.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 09:27 PM
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Yes, guys who make $30k can get women if they spend as if they’re making $150k. I don’t think this problem is true for all women and certainly not unique to women, but it’s frustrating for guys who struggle when their only criteria is “not fat” to learn that 90% of women are also incompatible due to differences in personality or values.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 09:07 PM
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Who says I ruled them out “from the start”? How many years have you spent flirting with and dating women in their 30s to tell me my years of experience are wrong? This is why men claim women here love to gaslight, because they will invalidate men’s lives experience because it makes women look bad. Imagine if I told women that no men on dating apps send rude messages because as a guy I don’t know any men who do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 04:37 PM
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Not stereotypes from the internet, personal experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 04:24 PM
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How do you know they don’t care about looks? In my experience the women who claim to be in this group “don’t care about looks” so long as their potential partner is fit while she is not, has a mature style and takes care of himself, is taller than she is. Shaming men for not dating down in terms in terms of looks while simultaneously claiming the women don’t care about looks doesn’t make much sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 03:45 PM
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Who says there’s more difference? If I want a partner who’s more mature I’m almost forced to date women under 30. While any individual woman of course gets more mature or stays about the same as she ages, the set of women who remain single into their 30s seems to highly correlate with being immature, at least in terms of dating. I can find a 27 year old who understands that whole plate spinning and keeping people around as backups might feel good in the moment it hurts your ability to actually s…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 03:05 PM
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It becomes a sort of prisoners dilemma. Yes, that's the sign of a bad system. You get movements like “Are We Dating The Same Guy” groups to try and filter out bad actors. This doesn't exactly fix the things breaking the system. Women are unwilling to date men who are their relative match, 50th percentile woman with 50th percentile guy, 70th percentile woman with 70th percentile guy, etc. which is why you have men at the top dating multiple women at once to begin with. The problem with these grou…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 03:12 AM
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Part of the issue is that sort of behavior by men is overall more successful than being more respectful. Not on a per-woman basis of course, but because women in general are not consistent in how they flirt it benefits the guy to assume everyone is flirting with him and escalate. He'll mostly be wrong, but he won't miss out on the women who are interested like a guy who waits for obvious signals will. it’s not solely women’s fault that getting to the stage of determining personality match is dif…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 12:55 AM
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Why do you think single women tend to avoid those areas? I think we have general problems in society that impact both men and women, but the effect they have on men and women differ so we treat them as separate issues. In general, I think people have a perceived lack of status. Some of this is younger people, especially those who went through higher education, being taught how to make decisions and set policy then entering the workforce and being given more grunt work while the more senior peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 12:21 AM
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I’m sure attractive men also have more than 1 option a year. Are you saying in the 1 year of actively trying to meet people you only found 10 guys willing to go on a first date? Every single one of the men I dated in that time have had multiple options themselves. Well for the other 95% of men this isn’t the case. How are women specifically making it too difficult for men to get to the point where you can determine personality match? By avoiding areas where single people might meet each other, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 09:40 PM
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You go out, see if you click. The vast majority of the time you don’t. That’s perfectly ok though. Most people looking for a bf/gf want a relationship that will last. They aren’t looking to just jump into whatever with whoever is willing. This is unfortunately not exactly true for most men. Like, if it took you a year of actively looking and you can find 10 prospects in the time it takes for most men to find 1, it would take that man about 10 years to find as good of a personality match. So as a…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 08:11 PM
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It’s some combination of those and extroversion. Being introverted with poor social skills is the worst, but extroverted with poor social skills can do better than introverted with good social skills. There are a lot of quiet people who are very witty, likeable, and eloquent once you’re close enough friends for them to open up. These people do fine in dating if they’re women but more poorly than awkward extroverts if they’re men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 10:44 PM
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Remember to just report blatant hate and homophobia like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 07:36 PM
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That wouldn’t be civil. Just read the thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 07:06 PM
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It’s amazing how basically anything can be abstracted as ideas.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 07:05 PM
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Obviously not. My argument was that on all those other issues people choose creature comforts over being sure necessities are met, and then criticize the systems that make them choose between the necessities and creature comforts. So if having sex is a creature comfort on par with having a newer phone or a larger apartment or being able to advance in an existing company instead of needing to start your own, the criticisms of the dating market are on par with criticisms of other societal systems.…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 07:03 PM
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PPD women: X is true because of argument Y. PPD men: argument Y is flawed, if it were true then Z would be true because of argument Y. PPD women: men are so stupid, they think Z is true. The lack of understanding is astounding.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 06:47 PM
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Right, we don’t have a problem in the dating market because some of the unsuccessful men deserve it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 06:31 PM
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Thanks for the reminder women on here can’t engage in good faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 06:30 PM
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Literally NOTHING happens if you have to live in an apartment and can’t afford a new iPhone. Literally NOTHING happens if you move to another country. Literally NOTHING happens if you have to go without vacations and eating out to afford medical care when you get older. Literally NOTHING happens if you have to start your own company. They just aren’t serious issues, sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 06:08 PM
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Yes, fit men complain when women here say they should date fat women. Also those same women say fit men dating fat women doesn’t happen because couples are matched and more men than women are fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 06:03 PM
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being totally overdramatic about the literal end of human species just because some people are refusing the options they are dealt. So the same thing as all the antiwork/work reform crowd, same as people wanting to end racism rather than move countries, same as wanting M4A instead of just living more frugally to afford healthcare, same as promoting DEI councils to get women into management instead of just starting new companies, same as, same as, same as. Any broken system has ways to avoid the …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 05:37 PM
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PPD women: people end up with their match. Also PPD women: more men than women are fat. Also PPD women: fit men should date fat women. Make it make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 04:54 PM
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And if I didn’t want to do it but did anyways because I didn’t think I’d win in court, my manager can now go to jail for asking?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 04:02 PM
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So if I have a job that didn’t list making sales in the job description and my manager tells me they need me to make sales calls, they aren’t allowed to fire me if I refuse?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 03:37 PM
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You’re pretty smart for a woman, I bet you can figure it out /s. I don’t think anyone likes being “complimented” when the compliment includes a put-down of some demographic group they’re a part of.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 03:16 PM
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are you really trying to use a freakishly rare situation as justification to make sweeping changes for the whole population? That’s how the abortion debate works. If rape was a valid reason to avoid child support you’d see way more men come forward with rape accusations for women who lie about using birth control, suddenly it would no longer be “freakishly rare”.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 03:14 PM
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Unless he was forced into having sex there's no moral standing here for him to avoid his responsibilities Men who are rape victims and men who are not the biological fathers of children can still be responsible for child support. Not having sex isn’t enough for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 02:43 PM
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As a man, somewhere between 1/4 and 1/3 are women. Work is heavily male, and while hobbies are mixed there are just more men involved with a bunch of different hobbies.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 03:07 AM
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You don’t grow conspiracy theories with evidence of the theory, you grow them with evidence of the conspiracy. We have a class problem in America, and not the upper/middle/lower classes that people talk about, but rather having an administrative class that work in media and government and HR and academia who believe it is their place to set rules for everyone else, and that it’s ok to lie to and manipulate people in order to get the right outcomes. The conspiracy is real, so grifters can sell wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 11:22 PM
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Women outlive their husbands Have so far, not necessarily guaranteed that this trend will continue. There’s research showing that measures like BMI that have men and women fairly similar tend to underestimate negative effects of obesity on women. Life expectancy is also tricky, we treat it as a measure of health in older people but it can be impacted greatly by causes of death at younger ages. There is certainly a disparity between men and women in “deaths of despair”, from suicide, alcoholism, …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 05:15 AM
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What's the difference? The difference is having extra to share with someone else. From men this is expected, but for women the idea of having less to spend on herself in order to be in a relationship is beyond the pale. Even friends I know where the woman makes more the spending is unequal in order to make up for it (she'll have a nicer car, more to spend on her hobbies, etc.).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 04:20 AM
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Most women don’t view sex as transactional, but viewing it as such is sort of a requirement to buy in to the sex strike movement.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 05:42 AM
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Seek out situations conducive to meeting and interacting with new people in a less formal setting. I mean, this is sort of the larger issue for men with dating in 2023: the gender ratio in any such setting is so skewed about half of the men there have basically zero options. For all the doom about how dating apps are 2-1 men to women in even the best case, that's kind of everywhere for men. You can try sports leagues or trivia nights or volunteer organizations or professional societies, the best…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 01:23 AM
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It's a good example of how privileged women are in dating, that we treat problems men and women face equally as women's problems because men have other problems only they face. Unless you're fully bought into the idea that one gender is way more wonderful than the other, it makes sense that for both men and women the hardest part of dating would be finding someone with the right personality and values among the larger pool of people with whom there is mutual surface-level attraction. But we trea…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 11:58 PM
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How can someone know they'd even want to hang out/hook up with me without some casual interaction first? Unless you’re looking to date guys you’ve been platonic friends with for a significant amount of time, going on dates is how guys make this determination. Whether through online dating or through in person social groups most women do very little to show any sort of personality other than attempting to be unobjectionable. Guys just know that when you ask someone on a first date there’s a serio…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 09:39 PM
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So if these men had the bar of “just don’t be fat”, how easily do you think they could find someone to at least go on a first date with? Obviously after that personality comes more into play, but just based on the initial physical threshold.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 09:14 PM
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Exactly, every possible issue is so nuanced that there’s absolutely no way we can talk about so men should just shut up about their problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 08:54 PM
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Yes, I think “these women” are mostly in the maybe 80% of women who will earn less because most women are in that majority 80% rather than the minority 20%. And if they are, how can they complain since some men do most of the childcare? If a minority existing means we can’t judge by majority behavior then that goes for the men as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 08:50 PM
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Yes, someone posted a study recently that found the median gap was men earning 50% more than their partners. Some women earn more, and some men do more of the childcare. But the likelihood of either of those is probably about the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 03:14 PM
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Define “good money”. Someone had posted a study a while back showing that for couples the median income split was the man earning 50% more than the woman. With how many households are living paycheck to paycheck, if the man’s income fell to even with the woman’s in order to take on equal childcare responsibilities the couple would be unable to pay their bills. And that’s ignoring how societal biases make it easier for women to take time for childcare and maintain careers. Sure, a woman who takes…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 02:39 PM
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Yes, the dating market today is very different from 2010 or earlier when most of those average people paired up.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 05:19 AM
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When posters here say “most people”, they neglect to mention that “most people” aren’t in the dating market now, haven’t been since covid started, and honestly haven’t been single at all in the last 5 years. It’s like people who bought houses before 2015 telling you there’s nothing wrong with the housing market, how most average people they know own homes they can afford.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 05:14 AM
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The point was that insurance generally doesn't cover the cost of these lootings, and the stores that are victims end of bearing the cost. Blaming victims happens everywhere in society, but we only treat it like a tragedy when women are the victims.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 03:52 AM
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Unless you own a store in any large city in the west coast of the US. In that case any theft you lose money to is your own fault for not having insurance. Kinda misses the race part since “Antifa” doing most of the looting are UMC white kids living off their parents, but point still stands.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 03:17 AM
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So well documented you can’t come up with any examples? It’s like asking someone who only watches Fox News to explain why Democrats are communist. They know it for sure but can’t back it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 03:09 AM
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It's really funny as a guy in his 30s, listening to the Gen X-ers and 30-somethings who met their partner in college talk about how easy dating is. Yeah, it was easy for me too in the early 2010s.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 01:51 AM
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Telling that you can't just name something. I told you all the issues they haven't moved on.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 12:55 AM
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Where have the republicans moved right? They want low taxes, same as 30+ years ago. They want religious freedoms and freedom of speech, same as 30+ years ago. They want an end to abortions, same as 30+ years ago. They want to enforce the immigration laws we have on the books, same as 30+ years ago. The only change in policy over the last 30 years is they are more protectionist and less willing to engage in foreign wars. What Democrat in the 1980s was calling for free healthcare for illegal immig…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 11:45 PM
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Having female friends who are already in relationships is the biggest red pill. For all the talk of how guys who have trouble dating must be misogynistic, boring, and have no social skills for some reason women already in relationships don’t care and enjoy saying hi and catching up. Or maybe the social skills aren’t the problem…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 02:57 AM
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So if someone who isn’t fat filtered out fat people based on looks, they should expect to not find anyone interesting?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 02:51 AM
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You could always Google for yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 01:03 AM
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There is no rule prohibiting women from playing in the NFL. So yes, women can play in the NFL.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 12:53 AM
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It would grant proportional influence to the people who live in cities. Only in terms of party. Since the majority of Democratic voters live in cities the Democratic representatives would cater to their interests, even if proportionally some were meant to represent rural Democratic voters. Having distinct districts is how the US approximates 3rd party representation, as rural, suburban, and urban districts will have different representatives even if they technically belong to the same party. How…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 12:51 AM
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Nope, women could try out for teams or enter the NFL draft if they so chose.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 12:34 AM
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On the other hand, if put in a male role, I think they may learn quickly. There’s nothing stopping them from taking the “male role” today if they wanted to. It’s like claiming women would be better athletes if they were allowed in the NFL, while ignoring that there’s no rule against women playing in the NFL today.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 11:21 PM
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Representation is about more than just party, your method would grant cities outsized influence even relative to their population. The problem for Democrats is a lack of diversity in the districts they do well in.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 11:17 PM
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even though the state is split roughly 50/50 Republicans won 59% of the house popular vote in Florida. That’s more lopsided than any presidential election since Nixon in 1972.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 06:20 PM
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When was the last time house control didn’t go to the party that won the overall popular vote across all house seat elections? Even the 2016 presidential election with Clinton gaining more votes than Trump was more about the relative popularity of right wing 3rd parties, republicans won the house popular vote that year.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 02:34 PM
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Would you consider a 5 year age gap small? That would need to be the average gap for the Pew data to be just due to age gaps like the women on here claim. If half the women dating in the 18-29 group are dating men 30+ and a quarter of the women dating in the 30-49 group are dating men 50+, need to average a 5 year gap.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 04:22 PM
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PPD men are the worst. I mean, not all of them, or even most of them, just the ones who create new accounts to LARP as women and say the stupidest shit while breaking sub rules to troll men before their new account gets banned. Those PPD men are the worst.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 01:41 AM
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I looked more at the 21-59 year old age bracket in table 4, felt it was more relevant to dating markets. Also will agree that men 60+ are much less likely to have enough muscle to be in the wrong category. So a very similar amount of men and women in Singapore are overweight or obese according to body fat. Yes, but based on BMI you'd expect men to be significantly worse. So in the west where by BMI you'd expect men and women to be similar, by body fat that should mean more fat women than fat men…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 12:30 AM
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The math doesn't work based on what we know about average age gaps. If the gap in 18-29 year olds is from older men dating down, you'd need to account for those men in the older groups. So 30% of 18-29 year old women are dating older, assume that means 15% of 30-49 year old men date younger (since the age range is roughly twice as big). So for men 30-49 15% are dating younger and 25% are single, leaving 60% to date within the age group. But 83% of those women are dating, so 23% must be dating ol…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 12:10 AM
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According to your own links, a similar percentage of men and women are overweight and obese according to body fat percentage. Women have a slightly higher percentage via body fat, almost negligible. For the population studied, where by BMI men were 12 percentage points higher in being overweight and 6 percentage points higher in being obese. So in western countries where the BMI rates are more similar, you'd have a disparity. It's not a quote, it's the results tables. Like I said, most men who a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 11:56 PM
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Juggling is easy if you never have to meet or talk to the women, they just wait around not dating anyone hoping you'll change.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 11:51 PM
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If that was the case there wouldn't be enough men in the 30-49 age group not dating younger women to date the 30-49 women, so the rate for men would be lower. But instead the opposite is true.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 11:51 PM
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So when you say "hypergamous with youth", you mean how men would prefer to date women younger than their own grandmothers?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 11:46 PM
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What are they doing? Just gonna wait around their whole lives for the top 20% ? Are you friends with any single women? Especially single women 30 or older? In my experience this is exactly what they're going to do. The reality is that "not all women are like this", but the ones who aren't, even if they're a large portion of the population, pair up earlier in life and make up a relatively small portion of the dating pool the older you get.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 11:44 PM
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Men weren’t much more likely to be single It showed 3 single men for every 2 single women in the 30-49 age group. 50% more isn't "much more likely"? Imagine if the wage gap was such that men made 50% more on average, and guys came out and said "that's basically equal".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 11:37 PM
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Who says muscular is the only surface level criteria women can use?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 11:34 PM
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The overall claim at the start of the thread was: Men are as fat as women, statistically I disagree with that, and agree with the following comment: No, men lift, gain muscle and screw up the outdated BMI . Not that zero men are fat, but that BMI will skew the numbers of men relative to women, and that a larger percentage of women are fat than men that are fat. You disagreed with the above with this comment: Nah, most of them are just fat. Go to any public place and look around. Specifically on …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 11:17 PM
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Women typically reject based off availability and perceived character. Men reject based off pure physical looks. No, this is wrong. If this was true women would agree to first dates with any guy who asked them, since you can't judge character and personality without getting to know someone. On the other hand, if men reject off pure looks then they would never break up with any woman who they went on a date with after seeing in person, because they can judge looks before getting to know them. Ins…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 11:04 PM
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So you agree with what I said about the population-level statistics? Or you disagree, but can't make an argument against it, so you state non-sequiturs?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 08:36 PM
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Men are far less superficial, they just aren't zero percent superficial. Everyone has some percentage of the opposite sex they'd reject, and that can be split into two groups: those you would reject superficially before a first date and those you'd reject based on personality after a couple dates of getting to know them. Women will have a relatively larger percentage of the men they'd reject fall in the former category, while men would have a relatively larger portion fall in the latter category…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 08:23 PM
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But you've been disagreeing with my statements that if men and women have similar BMI distributions that actually means women are more unhealthy in terms of actual body fat. If the 80% vs 83% was from groups with similar BMI it would be one thing, but by BMI the men should have been way fatter. They were 12 percentage points higher in being overweight and 6 percentage points higher in being obese. So in the US where BMIs are similar for men and women, sure, most are still fat, but there are sign…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 08:19 PM
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Face 4/10, no insults but have a crooked nose after getting it broken in college. Height is 6'1". Maybe thinner shoulders, generally good with medium shirts as long as they're long enough. Hair is usually too short to style, between 3/4" and about 2.5". Facial hair isn't thick enough to do much with, shave about every other day so I'll have stubble but that's it. Style is largely repurposed golf stuff, polos and quarter-zips, see Jordan Spieth, minus the hat, except for dressing in context (wear…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 08:14 PM
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Misquoting the percentages doesn't change the outcome, and certainly doesn't change the fact that BMI overestimates obesity in men relative to women. See the other study which found that even where men are 12 percentage points higher in being overweight and 6 percentage points higher in being obese according to BMI (21-59 age group), when going by WHO recommendations for body fat or waist circumference it is women who fall more into the obese category. But hey, I'm sure you know better than publ…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 07:10 PM
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Yes, but the difference is more than made up for with differences in muscle. The WHO defines obesity based on body fat percentage at 25% for men and 30% for women. When going by these cutoffs women are more likely than men to be obese.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 02:11 PM
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Did you read the links? The cutoff they use is not the same percentage, and is based on recommendations from the WHO.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 02:07 PM
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That's why I put dad bod in quotes. It's the sort of leanest possible definition, a guy with 13-14% body fat, just enough to not have visible abs, but he would still be considered "overweight" according to BMI.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 05:30 AM
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Women naturally have more body fat than muscle so measuring obesity by body fat isn't completely accurate. There are different cutoffs for men and women, set by WHO, they're listed in the articles. Women tend to have wider hips that give them an hourglass figure so waist circumference measures work against them as well. Waist not hips. Again, not directly in those articles but I believe they link to other studies comparing waist circumference to health outcomes and why the health organizations h…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 05:28 AM
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From other comments of mine: If you look at body fat percentage, the rate of obesity goes up for both men and women, but goes up significantly more for women. Similarly, this study found a population where being overweight or obese was significantly more likely in men when measured by BMI to switch and be slightly more likely in women when measuring by body fat percentage or waist circumference.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 04:21 AM
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I'm sure it wasn't intentional, but use of the word "laymen" in this context is just brilliant satire of modern science.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 04:02 AM
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Welcome to 2023, where "asking questions like 'I wonder'" is firmly anti-science.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 03:59 AM
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You're about where I'm aiming for. By tape method I've cut from about 17% to about 14% this month, starting a slow bulk again next week. Goal for end of the year is adding muscle to 190 while staying at or below 15% BF. Hopefully a couple more cycles will get me there.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 03:49 AM
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They literally say they have a higher BMI. If you measure whether a person is healthy/obese in terms of body fat, the results change. If you look at body fat percentage, the rate of obesity goes up for both men and women, but goes up significantly more for women. Similarly, this study found a population where being overweight or obese was significantly more likely in men when measured by BMI to switch and be slightly more likely in women when measuring by body fat percentage or waist circumferen…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 03:39 AM
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This is only when using BMI. If you look at body fat percentage, which has a better correlation with negative health effects, the rate of obesity goes up for both men and women, but goes up significantly more for women. Similarly, this study found a population where being overweight or obese was significantly more likely in men when measured by BMI to switch and be slightly more likely in women when measuring by body fat percentage or waist circumference.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 03:35 AM
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Sacrifice the forehead to keep the cleavage in frame, lol. The problem is more a symptom of "not all women are like this". Women have a bunch of different attributes they look for in a partner, and while none of them are necessarily unreasonable, the number of them and how independent they are makes it wildly unlikely a woman finds a guy who is even above average in all of them. If you have 6 different attributes, the chances a guy will be top 20% in all of them is only 1 in 15,000, the chances …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 12:54 AM
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I doubt that. BMI measures weight per height squared, but being three dimensional objects actual humans' weight grows with height cubed. BMI will overestimate obesity in taller people and underestimate it in shorter people. It's also far less likely for women to have enough muscle to put them in the wrong category. Almost all the women who are overweight according to BMI will also be overweight according to body fat percentage. Maybe some of them got lucky genetics with where they store it so th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 12:43 AM
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How many men in public are shouting out their BMI? You don't notice the fit looking men who are technically overweight because they just look fit. Like Paul Rudd is right on the cusp, and because of how poorly BMI deals with height his build would be overweight on a 6' guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 12:19 AM
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BMI obese but body fat percentage fit is rare, BMI overweight but body fat percentage fit is relatively common, especially among taller guys. It's not 50% of men, but I'd bet 10% of men are overweight/obese according to BMI but fit according to body fat percentage. Meanwhile that's only like 2% of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 12:14 AM
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I’ve seen it more often where the person giving the generic advice gets mad. Especially the “go outside and talk to people” crowd. Can’t imagine that guys can be fit, have decent jobs, and be social and still struggle, so if you claim to do all that you must be lying. They know because when they were single 15+ years ago it worked for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 11:44 PM
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If you look at the difference in single men between age 18-29 and 30-49 from Pew, it goes from 63% to 25%! So, one possible theory is that a lot of women are dating older men. It's only a theory if you can't do math. If the gap among 18-29 year olds is because something like 30% of women in their 20s are dating men 30+, we'd expect to see that reflected in the older age groups. But even though the percentage of single men goes down, the percentage of single women is even lower. So if 30% of wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 10:53 PM
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You have it backwards, fat is less dense so you need way more volume of it to be higher BMI than muscle. If a woman can get perfectly lucky with genetics and only store fat in her butt and boobs, sure, she can look fine overweight. That’s less common than the guys who have visible six packs and are technically obese due to muscle mass. And the issue for BMI is also how it relates to height, you don’t need to be super muscular to be “overweight” as a guy if you’re taller. Here’s Juju Smith Schust…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 09:43 PM
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In terms of health and fitness it’s not “way more”, it’s like 7% body fat more. Only about enough to cover the excess muscle that even men who don’t regularly lift will have. Most of those “bad bitches” that have enough fat to be overweight are only attractive to a minority of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 09:01 PM
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Women’s preferences are different than men’s? I just know introverted guys who make an effort to socialize, so they’re out meeting people but still more quiet and reserved, and they don’t really have any dating success. Introverted women on the other hand do fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 08:24 PM
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About as heavy yes, but equally fit? Not so much. We know that based on BMI the rates of being overweight and obese are similar, but the limits of BMI mean it will overestimate obesity in men and underestimate it in women. BMI measures weight per height squared, but since humans are three dimensional our weight in reality scales by height cubed. So BMI will measure taller people as being more obese and shorter people as being less obese than they really are. It also fails to differentiate betwee…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 07:58 PM
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Sorry, I should have clarified: it is enough for women, not for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 07:49 PM
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Socializing and being extroverted are two very different things. Being introverted and just forcing yourself to socialize isn’t good enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 07:31 PM
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I do mask 24/7, at least whenever I’m with other people. I’m sorry you don’t recognize the people in your life that have to do this, but we do exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 07:26 PM
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So if every man wanted a submissive woman, same thing for every employer, you’d be fine having all women mask to appear that way?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 06:38 PM
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Yes, introverted men will be offended at being told to mask as extroverted constantly just like women who don’t fit traditional stereotypes of femininity would be offended at being asked to mask as stereotypically feminine all the time. You’re making the same argument as the guys who say all women should act submissive all the time, just with a different personality trait.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 05:52 PM
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You’ll have as much luck trying to change his eye color by having him stare at blue things. Social skills and extroversion are different things. I did all the rec sports and clubs growing up, still do and even captain as an adult, it doesn’t make me extroverted. Women don’t care about social skills, they care about extroversion. If he truly is on the spectrum someday your son is going to have to make a choice, either to be true to himself or make the mask constant so he can get what he wants out…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 05:35 PM
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Having social skills and being extroverted are not the same thing. A person can work on social skills, it’s like building muscle, but extroversion is just something you’re born with, like height. The distinction is important because many on this sub will make it seem like the personality issue for men is something they can fix, rather than something they’re born with.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 05:26 PM
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So for the women in my social circle, it’s not special nor difficult to find a six figure man. But that’s only half the equation, it also depends on how many women those men have to interact with. Average guys can follow IG models, so for them it’s “not difficult to find” someone very physically attractive, but those women have huge numbers of men following them. Same thing with those high earning, tall, handsome men: with dating apps they aren’t limited to just dating their social circle. Once …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 04:13 PM
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One of the biggest issues with OLD is that it’s like 65% men, It’s not just the apps, it’s anywhere you go to meet people after college. We have the numbers from the survey, more men are single and a higher percentage of single men are actively looking. I don’t think the fix for that is “find a partner at work”. Why would you want to date someone that objectively awful anyway? I wouldn’t, but their existence means there aren’t enough reasonable women to go around. It’s a numbers game.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 12:07 PM
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There are way more behaviors than just career choice. There's how much time is taken off for child care, how many hours are worked in general since working more means not just overtime in fields that have it but also increased opportunities in fields that don't. Also how willing people are to change jobs or actively negotiate for higher salaries. Male Uber drivers earn more by driving faster and at times when the pay is higher. From your source: Previous research has found that women physicians …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 04:57 AM
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So same thing as women in STEM, or the wage gap? Never mind how having almost exclusively female teachers and learning environments geared towards women might impact how men make that decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 04:02 AM
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Look at new enrollment, not total that counts people who got their degrees 60 years ago. Women outnumbered men in 4 year college enrollment starting around 1980, and have outpaced men for the last 40 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 03:16 AM
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I think the difference is that feminism attempts to change society at large and male behaviors, the various men's movements today attempt to change... men's behavior. Men's rights movements are significantly smaller than things like redpill. It sorta gets brought up here but the gender gap in college education is as bad today as when Title IX got passed, but there's no real political movement out there to change it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 02:12 AM
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I don't think there's anything stopping it from inverting at some point The way society treats women differently than men is the reason it won't invert. I think men and women suffer from similar societal problems, but because men and women are different the impacts of these problems show up differently. So in the face of perceived societal stagnation and a lack of power and control over their own lives, men retreat to videogames and getting high, while women retreat to small friend circles and p…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 12:38 AM
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This misses a good portion of why women prefer taller guys. Women care more about a guy being bigger than them rather than just being tall, tall is just more often seen as the preference because women separately like thin, fit guys. Wearing lifts doesn’t really help make you seem bigger, so you’ll still induce anxiety in shorter but slightly overweight women. On the other hand, thinner women will have more options so to her you’ll just look like you have narrower shoulders for a guy your height.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 09:10 PM
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Until you see the stats for the 30-49 year olds. If 30% of women in their 20s are dating men 30+, you’d expect roughly 15% of men in the 30-49 age group to be dating these younger women (since the age range is roughly twice as large). But single men outnumber single women in the 30-49 age group, at 25% of men and 17% of women. That means you have 60% of men aged 30-49 dating women in that age group, but 83% of women in that age group dating in general, so 23% of women aged 30-49 would be dating …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 07:07 PM
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There are about 2 single men for every 1 single women in that age range. "That age range" is broader than you think. In the 30-49 age bracket there were 3 single men for every 2 single women, but the survey in general found men were more willing to be looking for a relationship than women, 50% of men vs 35% of women. That would mean even in the 30-49 age bracket there are 2 single men actively looking for every single woman actively looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 12:49 AM
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regular people dating regular people Lotta couples looking like kermit and miss piggy. Among my friends there are 2 groups: couples where both are in the top maybe 20% of people in terms of attractiveness, and those where the woman is 5+ inches shorter but 10+ lbs heavier than the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 09:37 PM
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I know, right? So a guy says he likes thin women, why do so many people need to get mad and come after him?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 06:24 PM
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That might mean it gets better for older guys, but might just mean it was better in the past than it is now. Dating in 2005 for 25 year olds being better than dating in 2023 for 25 year olds doesn't mean dating in 2040 for 42 year olds will be any good. Lots of blue pill gen X guys on this sub assuming what worked for them 20 years ago still works fine today.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 05:49 PM
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In the 50 years since Title IX was passed, women have outnumbered men in 4 year colleges for roughly 40 years. To put that in context, there was only 52 years between women’s right to vote and Title IX being passed.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 05:34 PM
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Wouldn’t supporting a popular policy be what’s best for them? We’ve had massive shifts for both parties supporting more protectionist trade policy just within the last couple years. Trump ran as more protectionist than Clinton but Biden ran as more protectionist than Trump. The easy explanation is that there just isn’t popular support for helping men like there is for helping women. Otherwise politicians would support it, just for their own gain.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 04:50 PM
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The gap in college education for men didn’t happen overnight. Obviously things take time but you’d assume a similarly sized gap would beget similar legislation. Yet legislation to help men is lagging. Maybe it would have popular support but every politician is too stupid to understand that. Or maybe it wouldn’t have as much support as women’s issues did…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 04:46 PM
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I mean, it’s a tough case of chicken/egg for whether politicians support something. Is it because the politicians themselves don’t care or because they’ve done polling and the public doesn’t care. I’m less inclined to believe that there’s popular support for helping men in education but every politician is too stupid to push it and gain that public support.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 04:42 PM
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Exactly, men need to stop using feminism’s definition of empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 03:49 PM
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So a couple articles equals massive federal legislation? Where is the equivalent of Title IX being passed to deal with men’s issues in education?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 03:46 PM
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Compared to those actual issues, a man's dry dick seems even smaller than usual. What about education? The gender gap in education is as large today as when Title IX was passed, yet outside of a few men’s rights activists you don’t hear anything about trying to change it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 03:31 PM
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https://www.mindpumpmedia.com/maps-performance Currently on the last week of phase 2, so doing full body high rep work with 60s between sets, 20-24 sets depending on the day.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 03:19 PM
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Why would all hope be lost? Dating for women is harder in college then easier after if you show up to any mixed gender group/activity. For men it’s easier in college then way harder afterwards because every mixed gender group/activity has more men than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 04:33 AM
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So if Russia drops nukes on Warsaw and Berlin, China allies with them and invades Taiwan, nukes Seoul, plus claims they will attack any southeast Asian country that engages in trade with the US, should the US join the war?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 03:09 AM
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Yes, it’s very different while in college due to how women outnumber men in colleges. If dating out of college was like dating in college there wouldn’t be a problem for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 02:58 AM
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I think a comparison to legal but morally bad behavior is a poor argument for making the similar case illegal.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 02:53 AM
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I don't think we have any laws against it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 12:52 AM
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To not serve them more drinks that could be dangerous, sure. But no bar is getting in trouble because a drunk person ordered nachos.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/23 11:53 PM
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1 in 4 is “such a low percentage”? Especially since that includes all men 30-49, I’d expect early to mid 30s to be closer to the 60% single of men in their 20s. I think there’s a huge assumption that people will settle down more as they get older but the proof is that people settled down more when the dating market had different rules and norms from 2000-2010. Plenty of users on here will claim there’s no issue because when they were in college in 2004 dating was fine and they met their partner.…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/23 09:44 PM
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The argument is they didn’t think it was a crime at the time, and in fact were enthusiastic participants. Just like the person buying things while drunk might complain the purchases were theft because they were too drunk to understand how much money they were spending.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/23 08:11 PM
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What does that have to do with what I said?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/23 08:01 PM
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What does that have to do with anything I said? Do women appreciate it if a guy says the reason the most women are unattractive is because they’ve been with hundreds of different partners? Of course not, because women know that criticism cannot be broadly applied to women since it’s true for very few women. Women also know that the few women who have had hundreds of partners aren’t necessarily the ones struggling. The women know the guy complaining is either lying or mistaken, so they don’t appr…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/23 06:52 PM
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Sure, a male 4 will hit on a female 4 but he’s not going to be enthusiastic about it. That's just because 50% of guys are 4 or below while only like 20% of women are, at least according to women. These same women claim single women are mostly beautiful, successful, interesting people with vibrant lives while most single men are fat lazy neckbeards who live in their parents' basements, but couples are mostly "matched".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/23 06:13 PM
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Yes, the woman complaining will pretend this is an issue with all men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/23 05:32 PM
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Men will complain about women’s standards, but as you said it’s not that all women have these standards, just one specific type of woman. Women will complain about the men they’re dating being low effort or not cleaning their ass, but it’s not like all men have this issue. So men tell these women to pick better. If “pick better” really means “pick me” when men say it to women, shouldn’t it also be the case when women say it to men?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/23 05:06 PM
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Women also virtue signal about how men need to pick better them
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/23 03:34 PM
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Only six days, skipped Tuesday.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/23 02:23 AM
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Dads that want custody will be more likely to stay with women they don't necessarily want to marry because it's an easier path to custody than fighting in court. I think that's relevant in a thread about staying in relationships due to baby trapping. Of course, could happen with women as well if she wants to avoid a situation with only partial custody, but it's slightly less of an issue since custody favors women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/23 12:57 AM
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It happens to men more often because even when the mother has a history of mental illness and drug abuse courts tend to grant women custody.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 11:16 PM
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What? There are laws that say men need to take care of children they don't want, unless they are ok with also taking care of women they don't want.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 10:58 PM
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The OP used neutral language and specifically pointed out how both men and women could be victims of baby trapping when talking about the general issue. Then talked about men for the specific cases that are much more of an issue for men than for women. How is that lame? Are we not allowed to talk about women's issues if any men might experience the same thing, even if the magnitude of the issue isn't the same for the men? Of course not.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 10:15 PM
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Rape. Same as a guy claiming to be wearing a condom when he isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 09:01 PM
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Multiple things can be true. Both men and women can be baby trapped. Women have more options to avoid being trapped because abortions are legal in most places. Child support is not as bad as forced pregnancy but is bad enough that men would rather be married to a person they aren't sure they like that much rather than need to pay child support. Like, the fundamental problem with child support is that 95% of the population isn't bringing in enough income as parents to support owning/renting two r…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 09:00 PM
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Ah yes, not including variants that became dominant in late 2022 definitely means that public health officials didn’t lie in 2021 and early 2022. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 07:58 PM
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This was so obviously the case from the start. Like, there's an argument for vaccination anyways to get tracking of who is protected, but our public health officials didn't make that argument, they just lied. At some point when they keep lying for short term gain people stop listening.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 12:04 AM
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Some of the problem is how getting older will change which subset of all women are still single. It’s not even that women who are still single at 30 or 35 or 40 are less attractive than average for women of their age, it has to do with expectations. Most women understand if they have 6 different attributes they want a guy to be top half in, that’s 0.5 to the 6th power and only like 1.5% of men. So they go for guys who fit most, but maybe not all. A minority of women hold out for that 1.5% and fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 04:39 PM
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Yes, it is far easier with men. If a guy and I only talk when I initiate I’ll assume he doesn’t like me that much and we’ll stop talking. If I hold women to the same standard they get mad that I’m avoiding them. Not like super angry, we’ll just talk at some point later and they’ll say something like “I feel like we haven’t talked in a while, what happened?” What happened was I was initiating 100% of the conversations, so I stopped.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 04:16 PM
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Only after women on here shit on men for saying they’d prefer a partner who doesn’t already have kids and doesn’t have the drama of a baby daddy to deal with.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 04:07 PM
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“Vet better” is almost exclusively a response to hateful language about all men. If a woman complains that men get violent when angry and don’t know how to wipe their ass, yet I know plenty of men who don’t have those problems, I’m going to call out which men she chooses. Welcome to 2023, where calling out misandry is toxic virtue signaling.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 02:24 PM
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Yeah, red pill’s AWALT might not like this but it turns out most women are reasonable. The trouble is maybe 1/4 or 1/3 are not and fit more of this zero percent rule. Or they have 6 different attributes they want a guy to be top half in, and it feels like half the guys should qualify but in reality 50% to the 6th power is only like 1.5%. As you get older more of the reasonable women pair up, so if you’re a guy who’s 30 dating other 30 year olds like half of them have unreasonable standards that …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 04:31 AM
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It’s pretty easy math. 50% are below 5’9”. 50% are married. 1/3 either aren’t working or make very little and are below $30k, so 67% fit that metric. 0.5 x 0.5 x 0.67 = 0.17
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 03:55 AM
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When the answer is “I only come across like 2 men per year I actually find attractive” it sort of doesn’t matter. Could be out of all men, could be out of men the same age, either way the number’s basically zero.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 03:33 AM
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If I could read it so can you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 04:53 AM
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Go test put the formula with some actual salaries. The formulas list “discretionary income”, but it’s not, it’s basically all after tax income. Kids might make having a life hard but so does needing to have roommates in your 30s and 40s since you can’t afford to rent your own place.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 04:20 AM
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And I’ve never seen any data ever that concludes men get zero custody 50% of the time when they request it. That doesn’t seem accurate. Read the published research linked in the post.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 04:13 AM
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Check the link in my other post, it goes into numbers from a couple different studies. The basic idea is that even if you limit to men who push for custody, they only get at least partial custody 50% of the time. So they aren't averaging 50% custody, half the time they get absolutely nothing, even if only looking at the men who fought for it, and when they get greater than zero it's often split. Hurray equality!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 02:47 AM
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Based on the post yesterday? a couple days ago? about how child support is calculated I would push for as much custody as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 02:42 AM
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Exploring current societal norms of post-divorce fatherhood, she concludes that the law's and society's treatment and expectations of divorced fathers may be facilitating their disengagement. Academic articles linked in post. Now, do you have a source for your claim besides "trust me bro"? Or like this article says, is it when fathers seek custody, they get full or joint 50% of the time, while women get full custody 50% of those times?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 12:49 AM
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I'm in Europe but the last statistic I saw said that when men actually asked or wanted custody, they had it almost 50% of the times if the child was of school age Asked and wanted are not the same thing. Men are discouraged to seek custody because of the legal expense and unlikelihood of winning, so they only seek it in cases where they have the best shot of winning.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 11:42 PM
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Quite a bit of our current healthcare costs would be eliminated by reducing administrative overhead and spending more thoughtfully What would that cost savings be, exactly? The numbers I’ve read out the saving of M4A at about 5%. Now, that 5% is still multiple trillions over 10 years, but it’s also 5%, it’s not like we can just spend the same amount the government already does. The efficiency savings are probably better than 5%, since the first goal of M4A would be getting more people access to …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 10:35 PM
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Like what? I figured income taxes would be best since they’re progressive, I guess if you wanted a more regressive way you could increase payroll taxes instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 06:37 PM
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Personal insults everywhere All reported, mods don’t care. Same thing with the “parasites” post. Please update the sidebar so the rules match the enforcement.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 05:36 PM
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You can’t just multiply them. The average premium for single coverage in 2022 is $7,911 per year. The average premium for family coverage is $22,463 per year And yes, M4A costs less in total. It also requires doubling all income and capital gains taxes, plus a little more to get to the extra $2-3T per year needed to fund it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 05:24 PM
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Mods when someone calls people on the spectrum “parasites” who need to be eradicated: totally fine. Mods when you tell someone the dating market is different today than it was 10 years ago: Be civil. Can we get a sidebar change noting that the rules on civility don’t apply when making fun of people on the spectrum?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 05:16 PM
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Right, it would reduce costs for everyone in total, and also cost the federal government an extra $2-3T per year. Income and capital gains taxes right now bring in $2T per year. So you’d need to double all those rates plus find some extra revenue sources.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 05:05 PM
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Spoken like someone who hasn’t been on the dating market in 10+ years.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 04:25 PM
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So after we double all income tax rates to pay for M4A, where do we find the additional taxes to pay for this?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 04:24 PM
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Yes, as a guy who’s fit, has a good job with no debt outside my mortgage, and has interesting hobbies beyond sitting on my couch watching Netflix, I would rather be single than have a partner who is none of those things. If that’s somehow unreasonable to expect a partner who is roughly my match, I’m going to assume it’s because women in general just aren’t as good at life as men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 04:18 PM
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Lol, you think women get more fit when in relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 04:02 PM
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Do I need to find a specific study that women and men are generally as smart as each other? If men and women are equally smart and capable, but hiding infidelity is way harder than discovering infidelity, infidelity being common must have a cause other than it being hidden so well women couldn’t find it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 03:38 PM
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Which is a great argument for willful ignorance. It’s not like men are genetically master manipulators while women are genetically bad at observing the world around them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 03:13 PM
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Blue pill advice: be happy about failure.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 02:59 PM
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Yes, if the rule is just do what you want every single person in history has always been consistent 100% of the time, so why ask the question?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 02:58 PM
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Do you think only friendless shut ins struggle?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 02:17 PM
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Why would it? The guy isn’t being mean or looking for revenge or something, he’s setting a boundary for his romantic involvement, which would still be crossed in this case. Maybe now the gf is more consistent, but she wasn’t really being penalized for not being consistent before.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 02:15 PM
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Different definitions of rape. You have a radical wing of feminism that would like to define spoilers Spider-Man: Far From Home, but only PG-13 scene as rape, well, at least if the genders were reversed. Most men would behave like the character in this scene, but I don’t think that makes them rapists.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 04:38 AM
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"you don't expect anal from your last partner but you will expect it from this one" But that's not the rule, that's the outcome. In your example the ex-gf was consistent in both rule and outcome: rule was no anal, outcome was no anal, rule did not change with different partners. The bf had a consistent rule, but different outcomes: rule is respecting the boundary, but leaving the relationship if he was given different rules than previous partners. By your own wording the bf was fine with the bou…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 03:48 AM
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Go on r/askaliberal, set flair to "liberal" and then just spout off the policy positions of Obama or Biden, they'll call you a mis-flaired right wing troll.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 02:11 AM
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The wall for men exists, it just happens at 18 or 22, whenever they leave school and thus will never again enter a dating market that has as many single women as single men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 01:59 AM
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It's a rather difficult secret to keep and unlike what some feminists will tell you women are in general pretty intelligent creatures with agency and control over their own lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 01:57 AM
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she only does X when she enjoys it This can be any behavior at all though. Like if the guy was faithful with his ex but cheats on her it's fine because he only cheated when he would enjoy it? If the "rule" is "I do whatever I want" then of course you're always consistent in following the rule, but it's worthless to discuss.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 01:42 AM
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Her rule was the same for her ex as for me? That’s not what you said…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 11:34 PM
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It's the same rule, just reacting to different inputs.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 11:11 PM
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the manosphere acts very similar to Radical Feminists It's because they both believe women are essentially children with zero agency or control over their own lives or actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 10:56 PM
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So they should treat what's said here like advice even though it isn't because this isn't an advice sub?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 10:09 PM
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You hold her to different expectations than your ex How? In both cases you wanted your partner to be consistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 10:08 PM
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How are expectations different? In this example I’d expect my ex to have the same rules for me as she has for everyone else. I would expect the same from my gf.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 09:32 PM
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The problem is that the advice isn’t really advice. Like you can tell someone there’s nuance to situations but can’t teach them how to understand that nuance without being in the situation to take in everything that’s going on. I can tell someone to look for IOIs but can’t say exactly what they are and how you need to ignore like 25% of women because they also aren’t neurotypical so don’t know the right way to send IOIs like other women, but that’s not useful advice. Pointing out a problem with …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 09:13 PM
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What standard is so difficult?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 06:52 PM
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I don’t know if any woman who struggles if her standards are just things she herself meets.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 06:35 PM
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How does talking to people on here mean you know their weight?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 05:13 PM
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If age gaps were the reason, shouldn’t that show up in the statistics for older people? There were more single men than women in their 20s but there were also more single men than women in the 30-49 age group. If men in their 30s are taking up women in their 20s, shouldn’t the numbers even out in higher age groups? If the average age gap in marriages is only like 2.5 years I don’t see how a quarter of women aged 30-49 are dating guys who are 50+ to make the math work out.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 04:56 PM
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Do you think that’s realistic, or should that be a struggle for them?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 04:39 PM
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How do you know? Have you seen them?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 03:48 PM
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PPD guys have such unrealistic standards, thinking they should have a fit partner just because they’re fit themselves. Thinking they should date someone without kids just because they don’t have kids themselves. Thinking they should date someone 2-4 years younger since that’s the average for relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 03:37 PM
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I said my own experience and from talking with my male friends, that’s other people. You said: the ones who are involuntarily celibate are socially inept AND MORBIDLY OBESE. Where’s the 50% in that statement?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 02:02 PM
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I looked at other peoples experiences, looked at my own experiences Same as me. and referenced a statistic that showed that 50% of young single men are single by choice. But you didn’t argue 50%. You argued 100% of the ones who aren’t morbidly obese.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 01:55 PM
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So when you did the same thing, what was it called then?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 11:00 PM
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What's a good term for when things happen regularly in my life but all the women on here claim they never happen like that, or if they do only extremely rarely?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 09:55 PM
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Because that's the best data I have to go on.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 09:41 PM
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Guy jokes about someone eating steak with ketchup, girl claps back at him, guy basically laughs at how good the clapback was but he says a naughty word so now the girl is upset.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 09:40 PM
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Being excluded from your friend group because someone else won't show up if you're there. Within the last week I've had to convince a friend to not kick a guy off their rec team because of a joke I've heard him make multiple times before, because a woman on the team was upset at his language.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 09:25 PM
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Because I have male friends and I talk to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 09:20 PM
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Who are you to say otherwise? You’re just assuming. Because I have male friends and I talk to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 09:20 PM
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Remember, all incels complain about women and dating all the time in real life, because if a guy doesn't complain all the time it must mean he's fine being single. I wonder why guys feel like they can't open up about how they feel?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 08:38 PM
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I'm saying they aren't fine being single, you just assume they are because they don't come complaining to you. If it's just guys who are morbidly obese how come any of those cases of incel violence are from guys who aren't morbidly obese?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 08:36 PM
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The truth is the red pill doesn't work, they only like it because the blue pill also doesn't work and they've spent much longer as blue pilled so they know better that it doesn't work.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 08:33 PM
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So all incels complain because the ones who don't complain "are fine being single and have better things to do than worry about a relationship." How do you go and prove my point in your comment then tell me I'm wrong? Like, do you personally have any male friends? Or at least any that are willing to have honest conversations with you?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 08:25 PM
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"Being judged" is a great way to downplay what actually happens, and if you think the difference between men and women in this regard is "not much if at all" I can't help you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 08:21 PM
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Amazing how well I predicted this with my other comment. Like yeah, some of these guys exist. BUT... If you have any male friends you know of the other sorts of guys who are incels, you just don't think of them that way. Like if you've known a guy at work or at a hobby group or something for 2 years, and in all that time he's never had a girlfriend but also isn't sharing stories about going to some bar and hooking up with someone casually, guess what, he's an incel. You just don't think to label…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 07:58 PM
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That's circular logic, they've built up a definition for incel behavior in their mind so only guys who act like that qualify as incels. For every man like that there are 10 others frustrated with dating who don't have any of those problems, but because they don't fit your definition they don't count.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 07:40 PM
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Is it ok to change your behavior around members of a gender to avoid behavior that only a minority of that gender engages in? It seems when women do it it's fine, when men do it they hate women. Why the double standard?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 07:36 PM
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Is it ok to change your behavior around members of a gender to avoid behavior that only a minority of that gender engages in? It seems when women do it it's fine, when men do it they hate women. Why the double standard?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 07:34 PM
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Most men aren't rapists. Does that mean any woman who is scared of walking alone at night is a misandrist?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 07:22 PM
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So for the men who haven't sexually harassed people, pepper sprayed anyone at a game store, or bullied a 10 year old, what is the blue pill advice for them?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 07:19 PM
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Yes. Why are you unable to answer my questions on what personality and mental health is being advocated for?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 05:14 PM
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Smart and accomplished are not exactly the same thing. I think many guys want a woman who is smart, but they don’t care if she is accomplished, or even if she has ambitions to be accomplished later.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 04:12 PM
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Work on your personality to be what, exactly? Fix what issue with mental health, exactly? These are great examples of the problem with blue pill, guys will have the personality and mental health that is being advocated for, then not have success for years on end. The “ looks don’t matter” is a straw man, the real blue pill argument is that people end up with their match. But the guys red pill sucks in are those who are fit but whose “match” always seems to be overweight.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 04:09 PM
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What’s an example of “solid” blue pill advice?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 04:02 PM
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Ugly woman. Men treat ugly men better than women treat ugly women. You're mostly invisible to the opposite sex either way, might as well go for the option that has an easier time making friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 04:19 AM
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The problem with most male role models is the same problem with bluepill advice: for men who are unhappy with their outcomes in dating the advice boils down to "change nothing and maybe something different will happen." There are a lot of good arguments against redpill, especially Tate's version of it, but so long as the alternative is "change nothing and hope" guys will seek out other ideas. OR If guys truly believe bluepill is the best strategy and it doesn't work for them, where else can they…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 02:50 AM
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Isn’t liberal commie an oxymoron?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 11:23 PM
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2 to 1 is better than most in person avenues of meeting people. Go to a trivia night, or volunteer event, or rec sports league, or any professional society that isn't specifically for women, it's at least 2 men for every woman. Even bars that turn men away to keep the ratios even have the same problem if you limit to just the single people. Women will go out with their girlfriends when half of the group is in a relationship. Guys in relationships will go out with their guy friends too, but not t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 08:43 PM
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Fit women tend to have fit husbands, but plenty of fit husbands do not have fit wives. My brother and his wife have been married about two years, she’s up 30ish pounds and he’s the same. The guy I work most closely with is probably 70 lbs lighter than his wife. My friend from the rec league I play in travels with a city-wide team out to various tournaments, wife is obese.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 02:38 PM
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I agree on women with kids and fat women, not as much on over 40. I think some of this is Reddit bias, the idea of not wanting kids is way more common here than in real life. I won’t go as far as some here thinking women at 30 basically can’t have kids anymore, but at 40 I don’t think it’s in the cards anymore. At that point it’s a different market and such a small piece of it the default is to not include it. It would be like talking about the housing market and including people who buy full ap…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 04:26 AM
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If they’re tall plenty of elite athletes straddle the line between overweight and obese. TJ Watt, who plays linebacker, is technically obese. Jalen Ramsey, who plays corner, is technically overweight. Your aver gym bro at Ramsay’s height of 6’1” with 30 lbs less muscle and an extra 10 lbs of body fat, is also technically overweight. Muscular enough to be overweight, at least at 6’ foot tall, doesn’t mean you look like Thor, it means you look like Ant Man.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 04:19 AM
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It’s bad for both, but the gap in body fat based obesity is higher than the bmi gap. Bmi overestimates obesity in taller people and those with any significant amount of muscle, which turns out to be mostly men. So the general numbers are like 40% obese, 30% overweight, 30% fit for both, but in reality men are probably more like 35% obese, 25% overweight , 40% fit. Makes sense because when you look at severe obesity it’s 11% of women and 7% of men, so 50% more common in women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 10:32 PM
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If you think understanding terms within the context of a conversation is “regressing”, I guess go ahead. I’m going to keep following the context of conversations just like I do everywhere else in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 10:28 PM
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So when I quoted you talking about “their older, married mother”, you took that to mean I’m talking about single mothers? Explain that to me. Better, explain how I should to the behavior of women who have tossed one marriage aside already if I want a relationship that lasts, but if I avoid those women obviously I just want casual sex. Further, why should women of different generations behave the same?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 08:57 PM
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I wonder what word the use to describe the gender of their older, married, mother who birthed them. Not necessarily a different word, they just wouldn’t talk about her in the context of discussions around dating. If I go to a sub that talks about careers, when I say “men” I’m not including my retired father. It’s not that I don’t think he’s a man, but I know his behavior isn’t relevant to current career markets because he’s not in them. So if I’m talking about the dating market, when I say “wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 08:17 PM
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They are roughly equally dangerous.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 06:18 PM
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Dental surgeons are pretty much on par with hospitals, turns out general anesthesia is kinda a big deal and affects your whole body, requires heavy monitoring, etc. But nobody asks you whether you’re currently under general anesthesia when you walk into a doctor’s office.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 04:53 PM
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Easily. Given my age and not having kids I could expect to be wealthier, have better educational outcomes, and be more likely to be promoted if I was a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 04:31 PM
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Sounds like the stats for having wisdom teeth removed.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 04:27 PM
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Of every 50 times someone asks out someone else and is rejected, 49 of those it is a man doing the asking.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 04:24 PM
You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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