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What’s a piece of advice that you feel like you can give that many men may not know about?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 03:29 PM
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It seems like you just don’t like women then 🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 03:28 PM
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The problem is they often don't like the guy in question they are usually dating. They usually get with said men because they want a family, a relationship, and some stability. Can't say this has been my experience. The vast majority of women I've met/dated have been stable on their own, and prefer to date to have a relationship with someone they like being with.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 08:02 PM
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What are some other good qualities about you?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 05:09 PM
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Men have to stop thinking that when someone says "Being X is attractive" it means "If a man is X then nothing else matters and I will definitely date him because he is X" Compatible partners have many different traits that will align, not just one. Being funny helps you seem more attractive than you would be if you were not funny at all. However, you also still need to have the looks, the charm, among other things for maximum dating success.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 05:08 PM
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I can only speak for myself here, but the men I see being sought after/chased by women I have a hard time believing they'd be in the top 10% of men lookswise. All around me, I see perfectly normal, average man existing with devoted and caring partners. I see men without model tier looks, without six packs, without these stereotypical god-tier looks with perfectly lovely women who fawn over him. Overall though, yes, people want to be in relationships with a person they find attractive. That's pre…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 05:17 PM
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No not because I say so, it's just because you won't. You seem to ask a lot of questions stemming from singular and controversial sources and are confused about how some people might have rare opinions on things. I suspect you do it on purpose, since you almost never take the comments given to you to heart. You're not a genuine person. And it's a shame. Take care!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 10:22 PM
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Meh you won’t learn
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 07:39 PM
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No it is the best therapy way actually. I would strongly disagree based on my experiences. I have let go of my anxieties and intrusive thoughts about dating and relationships, and I still hold onto my desire for validation and reassurance. You can have both. To claim that your intrusive thoughts can't be stopped is unfortunate. There are certainly ways they can be mitigated. I just want to compare and win every comparison. That's all I care about. I guess, enjoy that I guess? Though it doesn't s…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 04:38 PM
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The therapy way is to ignore this need for reassurance. Doesn't sound like a good therapy way, if I'm being honest. You can still have reassurance and the desire for validation without letting self esteem get in the way. These aren't mutually exclusive. The intrusive thoughts are what need to be addressed. Its not a choice It is though. You can seek ways to remove yourself from such comparisons.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 04:30 PM
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Maybe! Maybe not! Doesn't really matter either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 04:22 PM
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Yeah no I can't not think that maybe she is with someone else. And that's not a validation need, that's an anxiety/intrusive thought poison. She very well might not be with someone else, and she is still giving you exactly the validation that she is capable of giving and is deserved for a stranger. Does she feel lust for me stronger than she ever did for any other man? Do I give her the strongest orgasms she has ever had? There is no possible way of knowing this. Ever. Comparison is the thief of…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 04:13 PM
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It doesn't really make sense to include it. It makes your questions not seem genuine.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 04:09 PM
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I don't want to change my need for validation You don't have to change your need for validation though? I don't get why you think that's a requirement. I have a need for validation as well, and suffer(ed) from low self esteem. My 20s and a chunk of my early 30s were a major flux in feeling bad about myself and not getting validation I needed. My therapist told me something similar that yours told you, and what I wanted (and was able to change) was to feel more confident in myself in the present …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 03:58 PM
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Eh, I think many would. The vast majority would not. No way for anyone to know for certain. There is a "let" here. The reason you "let" yourself believe it is because of low self esteem. It feels uncontrollable, which is why you don't think it's a "let," but it is. It's a mental block. It's self sabotage and defeat. It's a shame, and I hate that you and others like you feel that way, but it's 100% a "let" and there are ways to help fix that. Our anxieties and intrusive thoughts are what is in co…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 03:43 PM
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I would say the 55 year old looks better, yes. You then say college aged women look far too young. That’s a morality statement It's not a morality statement, it's a statement of my opinion of looks. In my opinion, college age women look like kids. It is not a shaming comment either. I just said who looks better In general, I think older women look better than younger women. We're talking about in-person interactions right? And we're talking about women we're attracted to right? In general, if I …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 03:38 PM
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Nobody, even the woman, even the man, knows for sure if she would have said yes at the time. I'm currently dating a woman who partied in the past. I'm sure she had hookups in college. She is dating me now and has told me that I'm safe and dependable. Would she have hooked up with me in college? Probably not! I wasn't into the party girls in college, and she might not have been into me! But maybe she would have! Neither of us know. We met in our 30s. However, she chooses to be with me every day. …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 03:12 PM
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Why add the disclaimer when you're only asking about our individual opinions about specific advice that has been given? It's like you're asking a group of people "Hey, do you like fancy restaurants? BY THE WAY NOT ALL WOMEN! NOT ALL MEN!!@"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 03:08 PM
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Well we are on two wavelengths Yes. And a third man is going to be on a third different wavelength. And fourth man is on a fourth. And so on. There are actually many more types of men out there than just two I put a very high value on physical attractiveness, so you'd be wrong in your assertion. I don't date, nor do I sleep with someone, unless I am physically attracted to them. I don't need anyone to mother me or help me either, and similarly, I don't want to be some guide/provider/father figur…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 03:05 PM
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I'm a 35 year old man. Taking two women of equal caliber attractiveness, I'd likely be taking the 55 year old woman over the 21 year old. And I'm bffr. 21 year olds I do not relate to at all. Even in my 20s I was generally going for more attractive women in their 30s over college students. Kids are dumb. I'd like to not date one.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 02:25 PM
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Exactly once when they’re at such a specific age. lol If you want me to take you seriously, give me a serious response. This is a joke
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 12:48 PM
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I’m disagreeing that ~30% of men could never get sex without paying for it. Sex that frequently(once or twice a month) is a pretty big leap from that
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 12:46 PM
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Well I suppose you’re just not good at following logic then you saying it does doesn't make it true. lol I know. I don’t know how many times I have to keep repeating this. Me saying it doesn’t make it true, but the fact that it is true means I’ll say it. Poor lad. Bumped his head or something
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 12:30 PM
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I’ve been logical this whole time my friend. I know my word isn’t proof. I’ve never said it was, Charlie. Try and retain information dear.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 03:55 AM
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I’m not insisting that you do anything. I’m just saying the truth. You can “deem” that I’m lying all you want, but that doesn’t make you correct. Keep up le epic troll I guess my good sir. I tip my fedora to you
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 01:10 PM
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Thanks! There are probably more women around you like that than women who are acting like the way you describe in your OP
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 01:09 PM
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I guess I just don’t meet a lot of women like this, nor care to think much about them. I’ve been called gay for rejecting someone maybe twice in my life? And I don’t care enough about them to know if they were being hypocritical about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 03:26 PM
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Were not comparing who is using it “as much,” so I don’t know which part of my comment you think I was wrong about. You saying you wouldn’t use it on me unless I meet some certain condition is exactly my point. I’m freely offering my service to others. You are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 11:44 PM
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But you don’t use your ability. I am willingly offering the ability to anyone who simply asks, nothing more. I have every intention then to connect with them and facilitate the process as much as possible You do not.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 10:07 PM
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I would use my ability to help others. That’s what you’re still not getting lol. You don’t need to make a website or start a nonprofit in order to be considered helpful. I do offer it, and it does work. I’ve already told you people have taken me up on it. I told you that as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 08:40 PM
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Basically, if you choose not to use your skill to help the masses of people who could use it, then I think you're a piece of garbage That's fine if you think that. It doesn't mean I don't have the skill though. I choose not to start a website because I have other things in my life that I am focused on. However, I will happily provide it for those who need it. I have offered unsolicited to people, I have commented and DM'd people letting them know I'm available for it. Few have taken me up and we…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 06:20 PM
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Why would I need to make a whole webpage and nonprofit organization to prove a skill? I have no interest in running a whole business out of this, I've told you that multiple times. I don't see at all why that's necessary for you. but if I had some health issues that someone could cure me of, I'd probably try more than flippant dismissals to prove my legitimacy The question is why you have to prove your legitimacy in some other skill in order to get the cure to something where the previous requir…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 04:42 PM
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I disagree, but okay
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 04:36 PM
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There are almost certainly things you can do to escape it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 04:09 PM
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you CLEARLY missed the whole part of my post where I said you would have to prove your part FIRST How? You don't need the advice, so how do you expect me to prove it? If you require someone to prove something to you first, then you were dishonest in your earlier insistence that all someone had to do was ask and you would cure them. So now it looks like you've been backed into yet another corner. there are literally men ALL OVER THESE BOARDS THAT YOU COULD OFFER YOUR SERVICES TO) Yup! And I have …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 03:55 PM
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There is advice, but okay. You seem to have accepted your current position, and if that's fine by you then we're all good.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 03:52 PM
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Romantic attraction typically goes beyond physical looks, so that is a tall order. There is most certainly advice that can help you out, of that I am 100% certain.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 03:23 PM
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Okay. cool... so you don't need to zoom or meet ME at all to accomplish that... For you to cure my ailments it certainly would be necessary. I think you're mixing things up. I'll try and explain again to make it more clear. I'm offering that I could easily help any man who feels like they could never get sex without paying for it and find something about them that they could very reasonably improve to up their desirability. For me to be able to give that sort of advice, I'd certainly have to kno…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 03:21 PM
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Mkay. Well I think there's not much I can really glean from this if you insist on giving minimal information. I don't see how getting into more detail about the clothes you wear or how your dating profile is structured will affect other areas of your life, but I won't force you. I'm still going to say that I firmly stand by my original point. From what I know about you, I can offer advice that will surely help, but, as you sort of imply, your real life persona may be quite different than what I …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 03:05 PM
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I know you don't need my help. My advice wouldn't be for you. It'd be for any man who does need my advice. If a man requests it, I'm more than happy to get on a call with him (since obviously I wouldn't be able to get him concrete advice without knowing him well), or even meet in person if that's what he wants. You, in some strange attempt to challenge this, have offered that you can cure anything. I'm doing my best to take you up on that offer, but you're resisting me at every turn. That's the …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 02:47 PM
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You're not being specific enough about what your address is. You're backing out. I don't have any such "magical powers" that let me see where someone lives. You're backing out. You offer help, someone takes you up on it, and you intentionally make it difficult for them to follow through. That's the difference between your scenario and my reality. I'm willing to follow through and put my skills to the test, with a zoom call and an in person visit if desired. You are unwilling to do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 02:20 PM
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I'd put $1000 bucks on the number being much lower If a guy just wants casual sex he can't just get it. He has to pretend to emotionally connect with a women first or place himself around substances that would compromise a women's ability to think clearly. Men like this are scumbags through and through. If you're describing yourself here then...well uh oh.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 01:53 PM
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No offense, I understand you don't really see as much benefit in the conversation as I do, but exchanging comments with you is like pulling teeth. It's really difficult to get you to talk about yourself. Is this how conversation would normally go with you if someone were to ask you questions about, say, your job or what you do in your spare time? I had help on both sides of my profile (wording and photos.) Do you remember what the words said?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 01:51 PM
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I don't know where you live. You'll need to help me out with a numerical address or GPS coordinates. But it seems that you're backing out of discussing your supposed talent further, showing that you're unwilling to actually follow through with your claim. That's where you and I differ. I'm actually willing to follow through, you are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 01:48 PM
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It's not my fault
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 03:53 AM
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That's not an address. You also seem to be ignoring the logical zoom call that should precede this sort of meeting It seems you're unwilling to actually put up the claim that you'll cure any disease. That's where you and I differ.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 03:53 AM
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What is it that’s comfortable for you? What do you normally wear? What were the clothes you wore when you changed? What did your profile look like? Do you remember much about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 10:05 PM
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What’s your address? And when can we schedule the zoom call?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 10:02 PM
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What's your birth defect?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 08:35 PM
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What makes her a hoe? That she slept with a guy who made a move instead of you?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 08:34 PM
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A lot (a LOT) of RP men have fought me on this.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 08:19 PM
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They’ve asked them out and they got told yes. A big part of why though is how they presented themselves, how they carried themselves. It's not just luck of the draw, it requires being the best version of yourself. changed clothing style In what way did you change your clothing style? Are you comfortable in it? signed up for a dating site Can you give an example of the type of messages that you would send to a woman you find on a dating site? Be as specific as you can. Copy and paste a message if…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 08:15 PM
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Great! Where do you live?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 08:10 PM
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If you can, then I've got some ailments that could use curing! I'd love to see what we can do about that, especially since you don't charge. Is there a platform you prefer that we could talk in more detail about this?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 07:52 PM
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Prostitutes wouldn't be a good equivalent to doctors, because what doctors do is find the source of the issue and prescribe medication/surgery/therapy to fix it. Prostitutes directly offer what the buyer (patient) needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 07:15 PM
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What health problems are you talking about? The metaphor doesn't really work here.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 07:04 PM
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I mixed you up with another user in this thread that claimed he was part of this group. My mistake. It's their problem... not mine. Exactly. I'm happy to help if they come to ask. I think the vast majority of these men have very tangible and fixable things in their lives that could make them more desirable. It's easier though to believe in hopelessness and just pay
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 06:50 PM
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...sorry you think not having sex is deadly? Look, you're someone who is part of this group, and you are already averse to taking this advice. Pretty much every man who I've talked to about this claims they "tried everything" despite being in their early 20s. Guys don't want to take the hard looks into their own behavior because it's rough. It's easier, instead, to believe it's impossible than to acknowledge that you're lacking in some regard. But, once you recognize that, overcoming is a much s…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 06:39 PM
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No... no they aren't significantly different. They are. I agree me not saying it's possible doesn't make something true. It's the reverse. It is true, so I say that it's true. I can absolutely do what I say I can do. I also have every willingness to do it. I don't know why you say I "won't do it." What makes you think I won't?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 06:25 PM
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They said asking out multiple women in succession was immoral. Well, yeah kind of? Do you mean going up to a group of women, asking one woman out, and planning to ask the others if the first woman says no? Because if so, I'm not surprised a woman would be upset by that
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 06:19 PM
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I can do it. I'm very positive I can. I could with you, no sweat. It's actually more realistic to a significant degree how I could give concrete advice for a man to get laid vs jumping to the moon. There is absolutely nothing I could do to jump to the moon. For the vast majority of men, there is definitely something they can do to achieve more desirability. I can comprehend your moon jumping thing just find. I'm saying it's a terrible comparison because the degrees of difficulty are significantl…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 06:07 PM
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Okay but you haven't been given very specific advice. That's part of an issue. Friends should be the kinds of people you can get into details with. What sort of things did you try after this advice was given? What sort of help did your therapists offer and what work was done in that time?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 06:04 PM
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Yes I’ve been told advice from friends but those advices just simply don’t work for me. Well you told me you didn't really talk to friiends about it before. What sort of advice did they give you? How long did you see each therapist? What was your longest stretch with one of them?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 03:46 PM
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I understand how it's an embarassing thing to talk about, but it's better than just sitting in fear wondering what if. I, unfortunately, don't really know what you look like. Your friends do. Your friends are the best resource for working for your problems and getting some help. They'lll actually be able to give you concrete advice and an outside perspective of how you look. That's literally what friends are for. I think what helps is having someone in your life, or at least has a better knowled…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 03:08 PM
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I don't think I've ever met a woman like this. How would one be so offended that they aren't the very first person that someone asks out? That's crazy
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 02:50 PM
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Hm...these links seem to be broken for me. All of them lead to a "page not found" error Have you read all of these articles by chance? I will say, judging by the descriptions (This study discusses how economic reasons, including the convenience of transactions, can affect men’s decisions to purchase sex), these are merely talking about the factors that lead to prostitution being a popular business, but doesn't seem to say anything about how such a large subset of men would go their whole lives w…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 02:45 PM
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Because you believe something is easier doesnt mean it true. ...are you challenging the idea that paying for sex is easier than doing the work to improve yourself? If so, then you should be on my side and advocate for improvement if it's easier lol I don't have any "states" (you mean stats?) or studies. I'm only stating what I believe to be true based on my life experience. Do you have any stats or studies that prove that 1/3 of men could never get sex without paying for it? If so, then that wou…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 02:15 PM
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You still ignoring even if they do all of that. They will still not get their needs Mets like they want How do you know that? How does anyone know that? They haven't done the work yet, they haven't improved, so how would they know if it's not going to work out when they've finished it? You're taking on a loser's mindset. "I'm not going to bother with it because it won't work if I try." You're saying to give up before you start. It's silly to think this way. You don’t know how many man need to pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 02:04 PM
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I can understand how these men may feel like they need to pay to get their needs met. However, I am confident that the vast majority of these men could get their needs met without paying for it Yes they probably can get laid without paying but again, that will take a log of improving Yes, this is exactly my point. And after that, they would get their needs met without paying.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 01:55 PM
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I'm sorry, but your comment doesn't make sense grammatically. I can't really understand what you're trying to say. No only the ones that are struggling, I’m only speaking for the man who have to, because they have a need that need meant what women in this stupid market gone do for him? Like...what does this mean? Is it a question? Read it slowly. It makes no sense. I genuinely don't know how to respond.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 01:45 PM
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Nah, I don't count manipulation. That's dirty shit. I'm going to continue doubting that a third of men could never get sex without paying. That's such an unreasonably high number.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 01:44 PM
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Would you say you have his same build? Overweight and all? It’s one of those things where I mentioned about it once or twice but then it got dropped and we moved on to other subjects. Why did it drop? Have you had a conversation with a friend one on one about it? Do you have a therapist?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 01:42 PM
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Well I said before that I have no interest in charging for it. Did you forget? I also said that jumping to the moon is an impossibility in the very comment you replied to. I think I know where I'd start with the advice I give to you. It's called active listening and information retention.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 01:41 PM
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Yeah man... you "believing" that you can give ANY man advice that will get him laid is basically the same as you "believing" that you can give any man advice that will enable him to jump to the moon. It's not, no. Jumping to the moon is an impossibility on all fronts. Any man meeting minimum standards for the average woman is very attainable, outside of major deformities. I can.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 11:04 PM
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But for the guys that are in the bottom 30% in terms of looks they don't even have that option. You want to look me in the eyes and tell me that 30% of the male population could never have sex unless he paid for it? Never ever? No matter what he did? Doubt. Doubt so hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 11:02 PM
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You're saying you can speak for all men?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 07:44 PM
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Because many men still choose to pay because they find it easier. Many men who still get it regularly will still pay because they can have a different experience. Many men are lazy, and don't want to meet minimum standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 07:30 PM
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I know it's not. I'm referring to the comment, not OP's post
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 07:29 PM
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The world is the people in it. Culture happens all around us. Yes, we are part of it, and we can help change it, but mean people exist. Bad people exist. Incompatible people exist. I'm sorry that they do but they do. Yes, I may agree to that, but to get what they want, they will have to pay. We're just back to the start lol For most men, they can get to sex without paying a prostitute for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 06:44 PM
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I don't have interest in charging for it, but I'm happy to offer it. I have to many, none have accepted, but it's no problem for me to offer. And I don't care what denial you throw out in response to suggest that you don't believe that. You absolutely do. And you're absolutely wrong. I'm denying that I believe something, but I absolutely do believe something, and I'm wrong for believing it? I don't know how you got here. I don't even know what the "it" is with this context
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 06:42 PM
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Ah sorry I'm looking back and I misread your earlier comment. I thought you said "even if I didn't look this way women haven't shown interest," and that's why I asked. Are you an active person? What's your normal habit day to day? I mean, if we're looking at Al from toy story, this is a guy who stayed inside and collected toys all day, ate junk and watched movies. They are but it’d be a waste of time to talk about that. Why? It's something you're concerned about, why wouldn't you talk to your fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 06:40 PM
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Not sure what you mean by this or why it's relevant. It doesn't seem to be across the board either. I go based off the conversations and events in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 06:35 PM
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I'm a man and I def agree with the other user. I don't know why a man wouldn't choose an educated woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 06:08 PM
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Not that rare where I'm from.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 06:06 PM
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Nobody here can accurately predict what this man or any man would choose. It completely depends on his personal outlook and priorities. We can only speak for ourselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 06:06 PM
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No I meant what I asked. What time period did you not look this way? Don’t see any reason as to why and ask that. They might not have the same perspective that you do. They're your friends, so they'd be honest with you right?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 06:04 PM
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Glad we've moved away from never at least. Yes, romance is a struggle. Welcome to the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 05:39 PM
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Even if I didn’t think that way, I’ve never had a woman interested in me that way. At what time period did you not look this way? Publicly they haven’t said anything in that way but privately? Maybe Have you asked?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 05:39 PM
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So what? someone who never gets to have sex deserves it? I deserve this? Nope. Nothing I've said should indicate that. I'm saying you likely have fixable things that can improve your standing and make you more desirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 05:38 PM
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It doesn't make you a worse person. Why would you think that?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 05:36 PM
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You want me to act as a moderator or what? I'm condescending to over-dramatics and unrealistic viewpoints, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 05:36 PM
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Well yeah, I'm not saying being fun is all it takes. Being seen as a potential for sex is complex, because relationships are complex. It's rarely just one switch you flip to suddenly be attractive. Yes, for physically attractive people, it's undoubtably easier. However, for an average man, it's not like he's relegated to some fixed category of no sex for life. Most men can easily put forth mild effort to change his standing.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 05:35 PM
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I agreed with you, and you're disagreeing with that? You said my experience would be different. Yes, they were. It's not really proof. You're just sharing your experiences, as am I. Neither are proof of anything. If those men are men you geneuinely believe could never get laid without paying, I'd be interested to talk with them to see if I can determine if that's true or if there's some tangible, fixable element to how they might be approaching the situation. The answer may be different for each…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 05:31 PM
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Exactly... there IS no specific solution... which means that whatever worked for you is not necessarily going to work for all these other guys... I don't see how that negates my point. Yes, what worked for me was different, because growing up my problems were different. For the men I've spoken to and gotten to know well who have lacked success, I've been able to find things they can easily change that actively hurt their chances. it seems odd to nit-pick the difference between haven't and can't …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 04:12 PM
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Fair! I'd say surroundings matter as well. Obviously it's harder for a man who lives in a poorly run society.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 04:08 PM
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Could you cite any of these different surveys?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 04:02 PM
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What about you makes you universally ugly, if you don't mind sharing? Do your friends consider you universally ugly?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 04:02 PM
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Sounds good!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 03:59 PM
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I'll say pretty much all of my personal experience is in the west. I can't speak to the dating culture outside of the US/Canada/Europe
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 03:59 PM
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Guys who have disabilities have to pay Many guys with disabilities don't. I'm not ignoring people on the low end. I don't think that they could never get sex unless they paid for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 03:58 PM
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Okay. I don't believe you, sorry. Would you rate yourself as irredeemably ugly? Do you have any close friendships with people? Would you consider yourself anti-social, or a deadbeat?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 03:45 PM
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"Every survey" meaning only that one?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 03:41 PM
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If a man is being denied sex at every turn, then yes there is likely something that he needs to do to change. Not hard to find reason in that. I don't have a problem at all with you paying for sex. I'm saying though I firmly believe that you can get sex without paying for it. I'm not chad either
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 03:38 PM
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By deserve I meant you can do something to be more desirable. I'm not sure what this means. "Deserve" and "Desire" don't really make sense used in this context. Being more desirable doesn't mean you deserve sex. Because there is always something more to add. Usually, yes. A lot of men think they've "tried it all" when they haven't, or they've never taken earnest approaches. I'm happy to take that bet with you as well. I'd even ensure the payout also covered your expenses. We'd have to get to kno…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 03:35 PM
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Considering I've always lived in places where you can get a degree in software engineering, that's clearly not true. I mean, never is pretty strict and hard to hold That is the claim that was placed that I'm arguing. You absolutely did play a role in that sex taking place. Everything you said and did leading to that event brought you to that point. Unless you're saying you were just pulled into a room, stripped, and had sex with someone each of those times. Also, I don't know what you're quoting…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 03:15 PM
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Our sexual desires are just as important as everyone else’s. I agree You can’t and shouldn’t expect us to be stoic about never having these desires fulfilled. I don't But since there’s nothing we can do to have a woman wanting to be with us in that way This is the part I disagree with. I highly doubt that there is "nothing you can do."
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 03:07 PM
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Well that's a very different scenario. Could never in one year though is still bold.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 03:06 PM
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Well just one of us is on meds it seems, but good luck taking them! One of us likely is right, and the other is wrong. Our observations, however, are no less true. Perhaps you happen to live near a large population of outcasts that could never possibly have sex no matter what they tried. I would be curious myself where that place is. Perhaps this is why you believe it is the majority. I myself have lived in several cities, and in my observations I've found that there are very few men that could …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 02:44 PM
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Yeah you made pretty much the exact same comment last time too. It's not ignorance to recognize the patterns in the real life world around me.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 02:33 PM
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"When they do the one survey" you mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 02:30 PM
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We have talked before. You thought I was actually a grandpa. I'm not. Here's another brain buster for you: I haven't spent all that much time in Dallas either.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 02:29 PM
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I'm a young person who grew up with internet my dude
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 02:16 PM
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Maybe that's what I could have been in another life... I find myself almost taking on some "big brother" role, where I see a lot of 20 year olds in a frenzy and I'm just trying to say that it's not how they think it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 02:15 PM
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What survey? Are these men who haven't had sex? If so, then I believe that. Are these men who can never have sex without paying for it? If so, hard doubt, and I'd be curious as to how they came to those findings in the survey. you could make millions if you actually know what X is... It would very likely be different for each man. There's no singular solution. Young men seem to want a cheat code, left right left right A B A B start, and then you get sex. That's not how interpersonal relationship…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 02:14 PM
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Yes. And? That's obvious. That would be paying for sex in caveman times before currency. I'm saying that the vast majority of man could get sex with a fun demeanor kind behavior and average looks What's your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 02:11 PM
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Another user said this, and I have hard doubts on this figure. A third of men would never have sex unless he paid for it? Not a chance. I'm sure many of those men might feel that way, but I'd put $1000 down that I could point out things he can do to increase his odds with little effort. There is such a thing as "the friendzone" for guys deemed not attractive enough. Yeah, it's called "now you have a friend." That's part of what connections are. You meet people, they like being around you, more p…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 02:09 PM
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I'm so glad I'm in my 30s lol. I missed this wave when I was younger and this sort of thought process sounds exhausting.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 02:06 PM
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What makes you think that?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 02:05 PM
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(X) Doubt You want to look me in the eyes and tell me that 30% of the male population could never have sex unless he paid for it? Never ever? No matter what he did? Doubt. Doubt so hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 02:04 PM
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Thanks for sharing. It seems you as a child were heavily influenced by stories, fairytales, and unrealistic ideas of relationships. These stories are not going to reflect in the real world, especially in the modern era, and are told with a very limited perspective just to bear in mind. Then I grew up qnd at this stage I felt happy that I never had a crush , I was a snob and maybe a bully but I hurt so many people who were in relationship, it wasjt jealousy as at the time I wanted to be an eterna…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 02:03 PM
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Well the thing is that I don't think it's an awful lot of people. I think it's a fair chunk less than 1%. I think the number is a lot less than what you think it is. Being fun to be around doesn't grant the reward of sex. I didn't say it does lol. Words matter, your terminology needs a bit of work I think. Being fun to be around is something that makes people want to spend more time with you. Through that, a man can easily find connections and someone who will want to spend more time with him in…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 01:41 PM
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I'd get to know this average guy more. What is he trying? How is he relating to these women? How is he presenting himself? Odds are, there are fixable things he can change about his approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 01:32 PM
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Another argument to why men need to raise their standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 01:31 PM
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I would hate, as a man, to have such little control that I would lower my standards just for a lay
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 01:30 PM
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Those guys are very few and far between. Never unless it is paid for? Highly doubt that. Most men would be able to get sex without paying by being a fun person to be around
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 01:29 PM
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I don't have sex at my job
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 01:28 PM
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lol but it's not logical. You need there to be logic in order for there to be logical beatings.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 01:17 PM
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Do you know what any of those women do? I'd be surprised if there was more than one.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 01:15 PM
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guys who pay for women they’re not dating (common to have a mixed group go to a bar/club and only the guys pay) Is it? I've been in several mixed group social outings and I've never been in a spot where only the guys paid. I'd be surprised if I've just been that consistently lucky buying women stuff on their Amazon wishlists, superchatting Twitch streamers, etc. This, also, seems uncommon outside of internet tales where, obviously, those internet people reside. but people tend to rate women in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 02:49 AM
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I’m US born and raised and live in the city, so luckily it’s not as limited as you think
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 02:02 AM
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Would you ever date a woman who doesn't have your preferred breast size?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 09:49 PM
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For example the guys cashapp’ing women Is this really all that common? I don't think I've ever met a man IRL who does that, but I know there are some desperate men in the world. I'm not sure I agree so much with your idea of how relationships work. I'd probably qualify myself as a decent looking normie, exclusively date above average women, and never felt like I was paying more than my fair share. I'd hate to lower my standards just to kill time though. More power to your chad friends but that s…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 09:47 PM
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I agree. It doesn't give the right for someone to actively discriminate in their hiring process though.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 08:55 PM
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You must have gotten confused then. I'm talking about before, which is why I wrote it in my comment. Before there were measures in place to encourage parity, there was active discrimination against women in the workplace that was happening. The burden is on you to explain why anyone who doesn't want to deal with other people must be forced to If you don't want to deal with other people don't start a company ig
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 08:44 PM
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What exactly is the opposite of my statement? Besides, forcing companies to hire women is unethical Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 08:25 PM
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I know plenty that would
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 07:55 PM
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Hasn't been my experience in the west. I've found great groups of friends who clearly and demonstratively care about each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 07:03 PM
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Maybe they think it's a funny joke
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 06:59 PM
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The workforce, before, was inflated with men because of active discrimination that was taking place. Measures that are enacted in order to reverse that is not discrimination.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 06:58 PM
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My problem is discrimination. More equality (which would require fewer men to be hired) is not discrimination.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 06:26 PM
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So then that would make complete sense why that person would not be sought after.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 06:25 PM
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I thought ooft-doofy was just like theater kid energy. Tons of chads are oofy doofy
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 06:24 PM
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if you had to spend more than the other guy before sex then that's the distinction. Okay how is that determined? A lot of room for error in this description. So if a woman has ever had a ONS then every man, thereafter, is a beta bux?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 06:24 PM
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What defines a beta buxx specifically? Can we establish that? I've seen several loose definitions. For some, it's a man who pays for everything. For others, it's a man who pays for anything (sometimes I've seen paying for a date would be considered beta buxx). Is this just a guy who uses money as a means to pad his personality? I wouldn't be surprised if women aren't attracted to this. If he needs money to have personality, then he likely is a boring man beyond that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 04:14 PM
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And if businesses, in response, revert back to practices of active discrimination against hiring women, what then?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 01:01 PM
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I wouldn’t say negligible by any stretch. It was a pretty major cultural norm. Why are you suggesting anything about taking men out of industry entirely? That’s not what anyone is trying to do. What leverage would you say should be removed? Do you have anything specific?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 08:40 PM
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I just think it’s fun making pet names is all We already argued about it a bunch of times and you said if a man cant get anything good then he should wait to the work is done. Nope, I didn’t. When would the work be “done”? I don’t have an end date, I don’t think I anyone realistically does, so why would a man go back “after” if the work isn’t never complete? So no, you haven’t understood. Please go back and read to brush up, my gorgeous elderflower. The reason is because you still clearly want t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 05:37 PM
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I clearly needed to because you still don’t understand it. We already have different mindsets in that you feel a man who isn’t model tier deserves a woman who is model tier just because he didn’t date for a while. You’re hellbent on the idea that the work is already finished. I am talking about when it’s not. I’ve been out of my inbox for three days, my love, so I didn’t read your message until today. But I’m glad you checked my profile to see my whereabouts. Love you too. Yeah repeating myself …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 05:33 PM
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Guess you shouldn’t have been acting all goofy then 🤷‍♀️ You’ve misconstrued my position several times. I pointed them out in the comments and spelled things out quite clearly but you still didn’t understand (and I suspect you still don’t). I have no reason to defeat your position lol what are you talking about? Your advuce applies to different people who want to still sleep with women. I already said before: go nuts. If that’s what you want to do, have at it! My advice is for the people that ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 05:23 PM
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You’ll find my level only dropped to yours after I had to explain the same thing to you a dozen times. This is why we’ve met down here.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 05:17 PM
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Fair enough. Call it social regulations. You can’t deny that there was a commonality in workplaces having an active effort to not hire women outside of certain roles. As a whole, I’m sure it can be argued that men are bigger, stronger, more durable. When you hire an individual though, you’re not hiring the gender “in general,” you’re hiring one person of a given gender. If that person is stronger, more durable, complains less, and is overall better suited for the job gender shouldn’t matter. Thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 05:16 PM
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If you're tired of going in circles, then let go of the steering wheel. I tried having the simple discussion before, but you kept negating my points entirely in your responses. You're a lot younger, so you have a lot to learn. When you get older, you'll look back on how silly you were acting and laugh.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 03:17 PM
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I tried to, but it doesn't seem to sink in. That's why I dropped to speak more at your level.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 03:15 PM
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Well that's why I said I was joking when I referred to myself as autistic earlier on. I'm not actually autistic. I've not been diagnosed, nor has there been any need to test me. I just like trains a lot so my friends and I joke that I have a touch of the tism. I get told by others that I'm good at reading people and my reads seem to be accurate so it's a good bet that I've done well there. My friends are also not autistic. I would def notice and care if I've been overworked. I've been overworked…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 03:15 PM
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It's a red flag for me. I the context of the question, though I wouldn't say I agree with the terms that OP used.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 03:00 PM
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No? I don't think this is a result of privilege. Social dynamics are highly variable, and I've been around different cities and different groups on the rare occasions where I have been called out for turning down sex. The few times it happens, the blowback I get is minimal. The "most severe" reaction I got, a girl exploded on me on the sidewalk accusing me of being gay for not wanting to be with her. Several people laughed at her for it. Eventually a guy came to calm her down while some others c…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 02:37 PM
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Red flag. I have no intention or desire to date a "disney adult." I find them to be grating and our interests just, overall, do not align. I'm friends with some, I like them in doses, but when it comes to our overall interests we would not get along. Fanfiction I can accept more easily though. I'm not above that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 02:18 PM
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I don't think I've ever been dogged that hard I guess. From one or two people here and there, maybe, but the dogging lasts for about 30 seconds and then I can move on. I'm more than happy to deny sex when offered by someone I don't want to have sex with. The vast (vast vast) majority of the time, people don't really care that much when I turn down sex. I'm in the US, for the record, if that paints a clearer picture. I'm not saying this is the norm, but it does happen. Well yeah of course it happ…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 02:14 PM
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I don’t think public facilities is the answer. It would need to be something that truly incentives men. And free (or heavily subsidised) [insert here] would do the trick. Maybe. Okay, so...what's better then? I thought public workout facilities was pretty good.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 02:10 PM
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She hasn't. I'm hotter than all of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 02:03 PM
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What serious negative consequences? How many people will know about a simple rejection? As a straight man who has been accused of being gay once when I rejected a woman, everyone who witnessed it only laughed at her, and there was very little/none negative effect on me.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 02:03 PM
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Right which is why your autistic friend and I seem to be quite different. I don't miss those sorts of things. I'm someone who does generally have a good read on people, and will react accordingly to mistreatment and abuse by others. I can say these things about Chicago because I've lived here for a few years and I experienced it. I'm currently in a relationship with someone I met earlier this year, and had been in a few other short/long term relationships in the time I've lived here, with a fair…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 01:58 PM
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Naw not everyone Neat. Nobody said this was for everyone, dumb-dumb. some men dont need too long Neat. Nobody said it has a fixed period of time, dumb-dumb. To not be to desperate for it in the meantime Neat. That's what I'm saying dumb-dumb Because some people cant get anything and some people cant clear their head or upgrade. If they do it will take forever and a day. Neat. And those men will continue to suffer, dumb-dumb. Because i was saying for him to take what he can within reason in the m…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 01:49 PM
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Try reading again, my darling. A metaphor doesn't always have a 1:1 relation with the thing that is being talked about. I understand you're not trying to get anyone back. I'm saying that the attitude of you and the attitude of the character Dwight is similar.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 01:40 PM
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I'm quite sure that I'm not. I don't even have children. I'm curious why you'd expect a woman to pay for everything in a relationship though.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 01:39 PM
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It was like that when I was in my 20s as well, don't worry. It's fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 01:38 PM
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Okay so what cultural changes would those people strive for?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 01:37 PM
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How do we know that men naturally fare better? These regulations were put in place as a response to previous regulations that outright banned women from the workplace.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 01:36 PM
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Yeah well Christianity, in today's society, is a failure to the likes of capitalism.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 01:35 PM
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And in most couples I know (well), the women treat their husbands quite well So it’s not so one sided
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 01:12 PM
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Metaphor, my sweet little peach. Look it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 10:58 PM
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Well, no, that wouldn't be my case. I certainly notice and am affected by bullying. I'm not one for office drama either. I prefer to keep work at work and gossip isn't really something I care much about. It seems you think I'd be the same way as your autistic friend, but clearly not from what you say. I have lived in blue cities as well. Currently I'm in Chicago and just recently got out of the dating scene (seeing someone) so I have a pretty recent and active perspective to it
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 10:57 PM
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Cool. I'm more of a purist. I don't think one dumb spending habit justifies another. If you're suggesting we have better public facilities, then sure! I don't see what would be the option specifically for men
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 10:54 PM
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Get after it
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 10:53 PM
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I already said several times its not desperation Okay so then the advice doesn't apply to you. Maybe read the whole comment before reacting so you can understand what I'm saying better. That's why I wrote "If no, then my advice isn't applying to you." Naw i got my clear head while still in it. I doubt it. For most people, the way to clear their head is to step away. There are very few who will be able to keep a clear head while still chasing a high. No need in opting out all the way until the wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 10:52 PM
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But if they have to pay for everything then they're not going to include you in their life. Shouldn't that be expected? Nobody in a relationship should have to pay for everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 10:04 PM
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Such as?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 10:02 PM
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Okay. I'm curious on your thoughts on the rest of my comment though. Also, where are you from that you experience so many of this type of people that are so miserable with their partners?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 10:02 PM
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Have you ever seen The Office? There's a scene where one character is desperately trying to win back his ex. Another character gives him the advice to set an ultimatum, make her choose, then end it. She chose the other guy, so he had to end pursuing the woman. There's this bit of dialogue though: Dwight: She ignored my ultimatum. Now what? Phyllis: Now you move on. Dwight: Okay fine. I've moved on. Now how do I get her back? You kind of sound like Dwight here, in a way. You: The sexual marketpla…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 08:35 PM
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I don't think it's problematic, but I don't think tax dollars should fund cosmetic treatment
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 08:33 PM
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I'm not saying it isn't a problem. I, personally, don't see or experience the problem in my everyday life, so I don't have any of the required perspective to have a solution for it. That's why I ask what would possibly be able to be done? Racism? You can't complain about racism unless you violate people's free will to think bad things about other races. They can think them all they want. It's racist actions that get called out for violating the freedom of will/movement of others. Sexism? You can…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 08:10 PM
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As some people dont want to wait just like myself and there is nothing wrong with getting some action in the meantime. Do you feel as if the dating market is difficult despite your desperation, or that you're starving? If no, then my advice isn't applying to you. Im just saying to pursue it with a clear head and just get what is reasonable if possible. Yes. I'm giving the step that comes before, in order to get a clear head. Getting a clear head means stepping away from the dating scene. Well fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 08:03 PM
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The second one I think is a pretty good idea. I think also a campaign that being "a man" isn't limited to one thing or one way of doing things as many men seemed to think back in the day.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 07:58 PM
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It was meant as a joke, really. I'm not actually autistic. Everyone's just got spectrum traits. Probably not the best time/place to joke about it though. In all seriousness, no I'm not actually autistic. People (including myself) joke I am because I'm into model trains and good with numbers and like things done a certain way, but by all reasonable metrics I'm not. I'm curious on your thoughts on the rest of my comment though. Also, where are you from that you experience so many of this type of p…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 07:56 PM
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A feeling that the men women want to fuck and date are different and mutually exclusive. Thankfully, they don't seem to be. A woman, in most cases, is going to want to fuck the man she wants to date. That's part of the appeal of dating, is having someone reliable to have sex with. A feeling that if women just want sex, they absolutely can get the hottest top tier dudes physically for that They, in theory, could, maybe. But who's to say that she would?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 07:49 PM
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If they can be, then therein lies the privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 07:45 PM
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Okay so let's focus on dating then. Where did you find the information about how most violence against women in relationships is reciprocal?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 07:45 PM
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Right and im just saying for men its ok to sleep around if that what their heart desires. If a man is doing that, then he's not doing the advice I'm putting out there. Debate isn't saying "I don't want to do this advice, I'd rather do something else." It's actually challenging the viewpoint. Also men mass swipe because its more effective strategy on apps for guys. It's not. It's literally a "strategy" that hurts men by design. It's exactly the opposite and you're trying to put them as cohesive s…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 06:36 PM
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Straight, male, cis, midwestern american, a tasteful autistic in that I love trains and routine but pretty social. That is literally how every single married man describes marriage to their friends. If not in jest, they often do it in literal terms. Yeah, not with most of my friends (some, sure. Most, no). Not my brother. I'm just saying what I've heard when I talk to them. Are you serious? Yes. I'd say most of my female friends are also attractive women that I'm friends with because I enjoy the…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 06:17 PM
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Yeah and I'm saying i want to enjoy myself in the meantime, while waiting for something better. The point of the advice is to learn how to enjoy yourself without requiring a woman of low standards. If you don't like it, you can happily ignore it. I don't know why you're so hellbent on fighting it. Yes do the work and get something better and wait until the work is done to do anything in dating. This isn't hard to understand at all, lol. Then you clearly do not understand my point. This was not i…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 05:55 PM
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...oh so you're fully lost huh
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 05:42 PM
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I am saying that the average modern woman is worse than a sweat shop for a good reason I can't really see how. I've dated modern women. From my understandings of a sweatshop, it's long grueling hours, little to no benefit, shit pay, and a harsh environment. My dating experience has been nothing like that. My friendships with women have been nothing like that. The friends I have are generous and loyal, the relationships I have had have been largely full of mutual benefit and comfort, I don't see …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 05:41 PM
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I find it odd how many men have such vastly different dating experiences, but still think to call this "the norm." Your dating life is equated to working in a sweat shop? Honestly? Simple things like being a bit quieter, being a bit more pleasant, not being so emotional or just letting a guy enjoy his peace could transform any modern woman, yet they refuse. I mean, why would these women want to be "transformed"? Is that going to be a good thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 03:11 PM
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Dang the vast majority of women I've dated don't have this sort of philosophy. Am I really that lucky that I happen to always be meeting this small minority of women who are happy to spend money on me?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 03:06 PM
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I guess what I struggle to understand here is why the things have to be mutually exclusive. Can a person not enjoy parties and also be ethical, just, and moral? I smoked weed this morning, am I a bad person for doing so? Why is partying, in itself, an immoral act? That's why some of the most pro-social people in our society, such as activists, journalists, scientists, academics are so maligned by many in society. Because we do not live in a good society filled with good people, and those people.…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 02:44 PM
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That's why some of the most pro-social people in our society, such as activists, journalists, scientists, academics are so maligned by many in society. Because we do not live in a good society filled with good people, and those people. Like who? And it's not that good people don't do any of that, but they sacrifice a lot more. If you compared my life to the life of other people, you would see a significant amount of sacrifice. After rewatching Star Wars recently, I've realized that I live quite …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 02:42 PM
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Since we live in a globalized world, the exponential decrease in the most valuable resource the west has: human capital, will have drastic competence shortage Aren't there other ways to ensure a wealth in competence? There are many children on track right now to live an adult life of incompetency. Is there benefit in ensuring those children, who are already born and here, have the resources they need before tackling a future problem that we're still decades away from? By giving them the resource…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 02:07 PM
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Women want what they want, but how they engage with what they don't want, how much they punish men who are a mixed bag (they've got some things they like, some things they don't), how much social space is afforded to imperfect but worthwhile people who have strengths worth appreciating, that's a function of culture. In what ways are those men being punished? Is "not dating" being punished? Or rejected? Because, to me, that doesn't feel like it's punishment. It's like saying a company is punishin…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 01:56 PM
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Not from what I've seen lol. You don't think there are men who can be useless?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 01:51 PM
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I guess everywhere? I don't think I've met a woman who does care. I've lived in several areas across the US and Canada, so take your pick.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 01:50 PM
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...in dating or as a whole? I thought we were talking about dating in this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 01:50 PM
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Easy: good people don't support illicit drug dealers or waste their time and money on selfish hedonism like drinking and partying. So yes, someone who abstains from that and uses their life more wisely is morally better. As a whole? There are a lot of ways to judge "goodness." A man can party and also be a good contributing member to his community and neighbors. A man can abstain from all of that and treat others, especially those less than him, with scorn and contempt. It's a narrow metric is a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 01:49 PM
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For you?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 01:45 PM
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"Yes you should quit cigarettes but also smoke cigarettes if need be, nothing wrong with that"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 01:45 PM
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Yes i agree but while doing this a man can enjoy himself with lowered standards in the meantime. "I agree that men should find happiness alone and raise the bar but while doing this he can seek happiness with someone else and lower the bar." Do you understand how this sounds? You're saying you agree with my point, and then say that while doing this he can do the opposite. That negates the action entirely. The point is to live for a period where you don't have to be with a warm body just to enjoy…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 01:44 PM
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Okay cool my comment was asking if I could read the actual post and the comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 01:32 PM
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...what is this?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 08:54 PM
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Is there a place I can read it?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 08:34 PM
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Thank you
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 08:33 PM
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No that means I win
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 08:28 PM
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That's not as funny
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 08:27 PM
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Yes, my computer is wooden
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 08:26 PM
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Was the jetski designed/built/sold by any students that went to the schools that your tax money paid for? Is the beach maintained/organized/managed by city employees that went to schools in your community?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 08:18 PM
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Sounds like photosynthesis only keeps other people alive longer, thus creating competition jobs for me. Also I buy entirely local/handmade. I grow and locally purchase my own produce. I don't use fossil fuels. The government should give me something.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 08:11 PM
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Lot of people are. It's honestly kind of funny. A lot of people I have discourse with love throwing in snide comments about "well you're out of touch things are different now." Tinder came out when I was in college.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 08:07 PM
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Your funding for better educated children helps foster an smarter and more efficient workforce around your community, which you then benefit from. What do I use the ocean for?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 08:06 PM
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Well then to be fair you definitely use school programs and benefits that your tax dollars go to. You might not personally have a child who is part of it but you definitely use them
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 08:03 PM
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I'm 35. Dunno how old that makes me by comparison. Why wouldn't you be comfortable sticking to your own niches? I think those young men have means by which to find communities with kind people, and help perpetuate and cultivate that kindness. That's what I did. I'm sure it would be difficult, but the support is out there. Therapy is also something that worked wonders for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 08:01 PM
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Well your tax money is paying for child services you don't use, so you feel like you should get a jetski. My tax money is going to maintaining a body of water I don't use, so I feel like I should get something.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 07:58 PM
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But I don't travel to the beach, I'm staying at home. So what do I get instead?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 07:52 PM
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Less criticism and hit pieces would be nice (bc really you don't see that?) I mean, no not really. Most of the content I consume (besides here) are nature/conservation related, baseball related, or craft/hobby related. I don't really go seeking out gender studies articles. I have many friends who we pass each other messages of affirmation, and I was able to build that by putting myself out there and meeting the people I love. Nobody is saying there's nothing we can do, people are asking what con…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 07:51 PM
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I can't, I'm not near the beach. So what do I get instead?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 07:49 PM
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Nope. Men should raise their standards, always, and learn how to find happiness in living an independent life. Relying on sex as a means to be happy is not the answer. Don't put the cart before the horse.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 07:42 PM
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So you get to use a jetski while my tax dollars pay for the proper management of the water you use it on? What do I get in return?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 07:41 PM
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Simply less negativity and criticism would go far. In what sense? What sort of negativity and criticism? The intelligent people aren't seeing the problem that you're experiencing, because the itnelligent people realized that its something that you need to work on independently. There's no universal fix all for every man who struggles with dating. Male struggles are harder to market by your inference yes, but no less important. I agree, but what exactly is the support system that's needed?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 07:40 PM
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Naw its high and most men want to fulfill it with sex. Neat. I'm giving the advice that you can suppress those wants for a little bit and learn to fill your life with something else, so that you can lift your standards higher for yourself. The man might not even live the next few days let alone looking towards years down the line. You might get hit by a bus tomorrow so I guess let's just rob a bank today because we might as well enjoy life right? Why go for the pessimistic route? What if tomorro…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 07:36 PM
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Well the struggles for women are violence, so the support program there is easy to market and important. The struggles for men seem to be getting rejected. What sort of awareness campaign do you expect there to be?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 07:15 PM
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I'd buy that
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 07:13 PM
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All you said is you wanted a world where we have monogamy (we do) and where women aren't forced to live that life (we do). These gen Z women are exercising their right to not be monogamous. How many of those women are "complicated" because they're seeing one guy who won't commit? I'm 35.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 07:12 PM
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Thanks! Reading through it now, and this guy is...troubling. A few things to note: He is not someone who participates in the party scene, and gets "flicked at" (not sure what that means) by women on campus. However, it's surprising to me he knew so much about the goings on of women around him. I get that rumors get around, but how is he so in tune with the pulse of campus while also not being part of it? A number of comments kind of point to the kind of man he is... Hot sorority girls flocked to…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 07:10 PM
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It's hard to quantify which gender has it harder, because everyone has it hard for different reasons. Some men have it harder than some women, some women have it harder than some men. Yes, dating is hard. Men, historically, have been problematic, privileged oppressors and there is an open push for men to be even more privileged in terms of socioeconomic status. There is natural resistance against that, and women are looking for empathy, awareness and acknowledgement of that fact. Should there be…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 06:35 PM
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My ideal world is one where we have monogamy, but where women aren't forced to be this way by threat of violence. I don't know if it's possible. That's kind of what we're living in now, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 06:32 PM
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Why would that do anything to change things?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 04:56 PM
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It's actually 10% of women. Find me proof that it's not, please.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 04:55 PM
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Seems pretty damn high honestly. I'd find that pretty unusual, based on how few women that seemed to do that when I was growing up, and how few men I see willing to date women that young.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 04:47 PM
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I don't know if you'll find the answers from those commenters in this thread though. The ones in those comments probably don't need women. The ones here might.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 04:13 PM
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Is this an encouragement for men to approach more?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 04:11 PM
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That's not initiating
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 04:11 PM
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So like social events and the like? That's a good idea. I'd say that if you live in/near a major city there are probably loads of options. Where would you want to go?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 04:09 PM
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It also plays a role if you're in a room alone with her. She'll either choose to stay and talk more with you or leave, and that can vary greatly depending on personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 04:08 PM
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How many women at 14 were dating 20+? Like I knew of one or two, and it was HOT gossip around the parking lot, but the vast majority 14 year olds I knew were dating other high schoolers, 18 dating 18-20, and so on. Dunno where you grew up but in Ohio this was sort of more the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 04:06 PM
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But aspects beyond your looks do matter. Women do care about personality. It's not "wrong" to be offended at the term husband material but a change of perspective can help shape your view a bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 03:51 PM
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I've seen a lot of talk about how it's "unfair," but I want to know what you think would be a concrete action to take that would make it fair, without compromising on the free will of people to choose the partners they'd want to be with. Is there any idea you had in mind?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 03:50 PM
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I clicked the link, the site is locked unless I log in, which I'm not really that interested in doing. Googling "Michael's Story" links to a man named Michael who died at 26 as an electrician with a baby on the way. Don't think it's the same guy Is this a real story or a demonstrative piece? Was Michael an actual man who faced this sort of struggle and wrote about it? I'd be curious about his relationship with the women who tell him this.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 03:46 PM
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It literally does though...
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 02:33 PM
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Same as a good pair of legs, same as a woman who dresses well, same as good lips, pretty eyes, nice hands, same as a woman who knows about baseball. It's attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 02:27 PM
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What a weird dude. My dad and guys at his work parties told me stories like this growing up too. I remember a lot of them. Now that I'm an adult I realize how stupid they were. Why would you marry someone that you consider a 4 in the first place? Genuinely? You don't find her physically attractive but you want to spend the rest of your life with her? This is why men need to raise their standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 02:26 PM
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I can't believe I hadn't thought of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 02:24 PM
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Well the other user said they don't show it in their thoughts and actions, so we've ruled that out. I can't say I know any hung men, or the sizes of any of my friends tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 02:23 PM
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According to what I just looked up, the top searches for PH were for lesbian
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 02:22 PM
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Exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 02:21 PM
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...it does for me?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 02:20 PM
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I'm not familiar with Michael's Story. I'm also asking more on the likes of personal examples from that specific user who talked about it in his life. Personally I don't see marriage material as an insult at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 02:20 PM
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Okay. What sort of suffering or disadvantages has being a good person brought you? Could you give any examples?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 02:16 PM
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Probably not! A 3 is a pretty bad score.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 02:15 PM
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B-L-E-A-K
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 02:15 PM
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Im saying in general most men cant. Based on what? Any man can not chase women for a while. It's very easy. It's the willpower that's difficult, and man is very much in control of his own. To suggest that your sex drive isn't just high, it's insatiable is silly shit. If it's so riled up that you can't just leave dating alone for a year to figure yourself out you've really become a slave to it. Any man is capable of rising above his hormones. It's literally how we evolve. Most of my dating life i…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 02:13 PM
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For me that isn't gonna work Why isn't it going to work for you? Have you spent any significant time single? The men are struggling with getting lower tier so aiming higher isn't gonna work if they cant even get lower tier women. And for these men, I'm suggesting that by raising their standards they will learn to find contentment alone so they don't feel they need to have a lower tier woman they aren't attracted to just to get by. Ok so just go without in the meantime damn. Yes! And that's okay!…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 09:09 PM
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I already told you some men cant get quality. They struggle with getting lower tier women let alone quality ones. The bar needs to be raised. It's been my point from the very first comment that you replied to. Why are they going for low tier women if that's not the type of women they like? A man doesn't need to get a lower tier woman first before he can get a higher tier. I'll happily say that I've never dated a woman who I'd consider lower tier. This has resulted in several stretches of me bein…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 08:25 PM
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So in order for women to stop lying about what they're attracted to will require every single man on Earth to change? Every single man? No probably not. I think the men who react with violence after being told they're not attractive are (I would hope) few and far between, but clearly it's enough to have an impact. I would say in order for us to cultivate a space where women can be more comfortable being honest with men, those men certainly need to change, absolutely. Is it realistic? I hope so! …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 08:03 PM
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What sort of suffering has being a good person brought you? Could you give any examples?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 07:51 PM
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When it comes to similar attraction though, I see being an amazing person get selected way more often. In fact, I often see an amazing person who is pretty good looking get selected over a very good looking shithead.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 07:50 PM
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With actual information. But okay! Good luck out there!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 07:42 PM
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No the can they jsut have to find someone who can do this. The quality might not be the best but they are more then good enough. So they wil lbe a mtch for sure biut just not of great quality. ...are you typing with your fist? lol Why are you so sure that a match wouldn't be a great quality? That's the whole point of raising the bar, to find quality matches... Im speaking about it being a done process though. Cool. I am not. For many men, that process is not done. This is what my comment is abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 07:41 PM
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Dead bedrooms more than often find their root in broader issues beyond sex drive. How can you pinpoint it to be a difference of spontaneity and health in respective sex drives?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 07:25 PM
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They would, but men actually have a healthy, spontaneous sex drive and attraction to women to an extent that most women don’t for most men. How does one determine this?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 07:15 PM
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Seems that would be the case with women, yeah?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 07:15 PM
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So yes i do believe every man is raising their bar like how you are saying they will likely find no one. Cool, so then let's circle back to my question from that. Why are you so sure they would not find anyone? Do you genuinely think that these men are just incapable of being loved? And if so, is it really worth it being in a relationship with someone who is a bad match? Right that would be one step in the process then i agree with that. I think men have no choice but to go though this...Im spea…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 07:14 PM
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Until that stops being the case, I will never believe a word that comes out of a woman's mouth. Then I guess the first step in better communication is for men to learn how to behave and learn to control their emotions. OF creators. ...oh Well, I'll be honest man, what reason do you have to trust them? They're providing a service, it's not meant to placate you or give you actual, real concrete advice. Just like you said, some of them might even be pre-recorded, so it's possible they're barely eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 07:05 PM
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Would you say breast size matters for a man? A lot of data would show that men would prefer larger than average wouldn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 06:59 PM
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Slightly larger than average. Doesn't seem to bad. Is there a study with breast size? I assume most men would prefer slightly larger than average. But would you say that size matters for men? Most would argue no, even if they like bigger.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 06:58 PM
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Yes. The information that I've gathered is very different from the information you've gathered, so it leads me to believe that different women have different preferences. I'm only remarking how odd that there are women who claim that 5 inches is "too small" when for the vast majority of women the A spot is not much deeper than that in their vaginal canal. Perhaps you happen to be meeting women with deeper canals though!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 06:52 PM
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Usually based on what?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 06:40 PM
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Yes, clearly. It's not about disagreeing...it's about acknowledging differences in action and result. All of those things can be true and you'd still be a KHHV. The thing is though that one thing that shouldn't be missed is that dating takes effort, work, and a good presentation of self. Because when women tell men that they aren't attractive, the men get angry. And when men get angry, they often respond with violence. That's something that the men need to work on, and if anything is only suppor…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 06:39 PM
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Sure, and I'm telling you that I'm glad most of the women I meet and associate with are not this way. It's a much more realistic standpoint IMO, so I'm glad these women have a better head on their shoulders than the women you've met.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 06:24 PM
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Your words, copied and pasted verbatim, from exactly two comments ago: Yes but I'm saying some men cant afford to hold high standards if they want a partner. If they pursue cautiously like how you are saying they will not find anyone. The only thing I'll say, is that I never said anything about being cautious, just intentional. Men can always afford to raise the bar. Always. Always always always. 100% of the time. Not being facetious on this one. This whole find your happiness stuff you keep spe…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 06:22 PM
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Kind of odd to claim how women think without being one, but ok. I've spoken to women about the A spot and I'd say at least half remark how that would be too much. I guess it just depends on the women we meet
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 06:06 PM
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Yeah I'd say that's even further away from the life I've lived. Most women I spend time with are pretty up front and honest about what they want, and act consistently with what they say. If they were upfront with men about their preferences, they'd be beaten, raped and killed on a much larger scale than they already are. Why do you think that would happen? Why would men react in this way? But yes, I have had conversations about my size with some women and what they're saying to me doesn't reflec…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 06:03 PM
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5 being too small is surprising discourse to me. Most women are probably naturally built for that size. Are these women you know? Do you express surprise or curiousity at those sorts of conversations?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 05:53 PM
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What excuse am I going to come up with? I would have no idea if you were right or wrong. I haven't lived your life. Obviously I'm right about my own life an observations. I'm surprised though that none of the women you've ever met were like this. Do you talk about penis size with every woman you meet? What's got you to conclude this?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 05:50 PM
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Weird most women I meet IRL don't care. Are you meeting a lot of size queens in your life?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 05:45 PM
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So many more women care, and they don't show these thoughts/actions...so how do you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 05:45 PM
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I doubt it. Once or twice is luck. The fact that it's been pretty consistent over my life across several cities is a pattern.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 05:43 PM
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I meet loads of women who don't act this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 05:37 PM
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Probably not
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 05:35 PM
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You said they wouldn't be able to find anyone. Those were your words. I'm glad you're at least backing that up a little but don't act shocked when I take the very natural meaning of what you say. Yes a man needs to find his peace but he defiantly needs to get out and make something happen. Yes. I agree. I don't know what part of my comment makes you think I'm against this notion lol. Some people aren't looking for relationships. So this advice wouldn't be helpful. Neat. My point is if you're jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 05:33 PM
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Social media is curated. The ones who are thirst commenting on a post about a nude scene are all going to be from women who are htirsting over a nude scene. Think about all the women who see the post and don't comment. Think about all the women who think that it's far too big but don't feel the need to make a big stink about it online. One subset doesn't represent a huge group
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 04:59 PM
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Now based on all the comments on this subreddit claiming that women don't care about size at all, you'd think that the only people who would have a positive reaction to this scene would be gay men. Why would I think that? Plenty of women out there are size queens, just as plenty of them don't care at all. Why is the idea that all women have to care one way or the other? A lot of women don't care about size. A lot of women will go feral if the dick is big. What's not making sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 04:58 PM
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...Yes. That's my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 03:51 PM
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Who said anything about toxic? I'm having a confusing time with this conversation, because in your replies you seem to be talking against points of incels and toxicity but I'm not bringing those things up. I feel like you're really not getting what I'm saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 03:44 PM
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We were speaking in reference to dating. The topic is about women's supposed entitlement in dating. Where you are going to see comments about that is in subreddits about men dating. While you may also see this in general men's advice subreddits, it will almost exclusively come up when the topic is about dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 03:15 PM
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I didn't say incel. I didn't mean to imply incel. You're saying incel, but I certainly am not There are many types of men that aren't sharing their opinions on male-centric subreddits talking about dating and relationships. You're not getting a view of their lives through those male subreddits. You're instead (almost) only getting a picture of the lives from men who are upset.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 02:42 PM
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Gotcha okay. I personally operate quite differently. I suppose if I were in an open relationship I might have a similar way of thinking, but on a whole I have high standards for women I spend my time with because my time is valuable. I can't picture a scenario where I see someone as "so far from a possible gf" but still want to be intimate with her. You do you though
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 02:26 PM
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Male subreddits are a great way to understand men's experiences (specifically of men who struggle with dating and look to a public forum to air their grievances, which is not a large population of men as a whole). I would recommend connecting with people in real life as well and talk with them
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 02:14 PM
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They should. Men should, overall, have higher standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 02:09 PM
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Why are you so sure they would not find anyone? Do you genuinely think that these men are just incapable of being loved? And if so, is it really worth it being in a relationship with someone who is a bad match? There is so much value in being single to center yourself, find happiness in things that doesn't require a relationship (there are many!), and figure out the type of future you want and, subsequently, the type of woman who will fit well with it. Here now, you have a foundation where a rel…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 02:07 PM
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I don't complain to people, so it doesn't happen to me. You said you see it happen. I'm asking for you to share the last time you saw it happen, not necessarily happening to you. I only ask because I see a lot of men talking about this, but the only experiences they really draw is horror stories read online that, for all they know, was written out by AI. I'm making the point that there is a distinct difference in real life vs. what the online world paints real life to be. Because I don't complai…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 02:00 PM
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When you have threesomes, or ongoing FWB, do you have high standards or low standards for those partners?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 01:47 PM
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Women don't pursue men like men pursue women because women have high standards, which is what people should have when looking for a partner. They do pursue men who they are attracted to. Men, on the other hand, pursue anyone they can just in hopes for a night not spent alone. Yes, raising the bar lowers your chances. Instead of lamenting on that, take the time to be alone, live alone, find happiness alone. Then, you won't just be pursuing everyone in sight, you'll learn to pursue the ones with w…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 02:37 AM
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Yes. That's hurting you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 02:33 AM
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It's not a point of fantasy. It's a point of reality. If they are objectively, irredeemably ugly, they can't expect that there would be anything more than a unicorn who will take them. I think it would be less likely because of the vast swath of the population, very very very few men are objectively and irredeemably ugly. It's more likely to expect that a man, while less attractive than the top tier man, is still going to be seen attractive by some subset of the population. Considering the wide …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 09:37 PM
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They aren't what I meant to imply. It's just what casual sex oftentimes is: A person looking for any body they can get. There's no heart to it, no soul, no meaning, no strings. That doesn't mean there's no fun. There's obviously some benefit and some reason a lot of people like doing it, myself included. It's not for everyone, and I'd wager for most people there will be many periods in their life when it's not for them, or, as you ask, bad for them. Is it a bad thing? No. It's a thing. Some like…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 09:30 PM
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No sweat
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 09:22 PM
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Fair call, I was narrow focused on the saying of "stop looking and you will find it" and neglected the actual post title lol. It's kind of why I disagree with the saying as a whole though. In a parent comment I wrote, I read the OP suggestion of "men learning to stop showing interest" as the wrong idea. It's more about not letting yourself be narrowed in on finding a woman (any woman) to be with. Yes flirting and engaging still counts as showing interest, but I was not looking in the sense of be…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 09:21 PM
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Yes. If a woman is looking for just a hookup, any dick will do, that's lust. It's a form of desire, as you say, but there is a distinct difference. Is casual sex bad and dehumanising? Bad in what sense? I wouldn't call it dehumanizing but it certainly can be a somewhat impersonal activity. Doesn't make it bad especially if both people acknowledge what's happening in that sort of relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 09:08 PM
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Right, because if you've been applying to 100% of the jobs you see narrowing that down will obviously improve your odds. Yes. It helps you focus your energy, focus the way you present yourself, make you more active in your choices instead of passive in telling every potential employer "I don't care what I do, as long as you pay me I'll do whatever you want." If you came into a job interview saying that, even for an entry level job, you'd be laughed out of the office. And please let me know where…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 08:35 PM
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What else would you expect? YOu asked what I feel they have to do, not what I encourage. If they want a relationship, that's what they'd have to hope for. Odds are they probably won't get one if they're objectively and irredeemably ugly. I would say that none is less likely than >1. Men who are objectively and irredeemably ugly are few and far between. I hope you don't plan to imply that you are one of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 08:16 PM
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If you're really objectively irredeemably ugly? Yes. I'm guessing you and many others are pretty average looking and have some tangible things that you can improve to better your chances. Do you think it's plausible that there exists a woman who finds a man attractive if no woman before has, and no woman after ever will? No. That'd be pretty unusual for only one woman to find a given man attractive. Odds are there would be many more than just one, unless he is actively making himself look worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 07:52 PM
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In a way, yes. If they don't adapt their resume for the specific job they're applying for, it's going to hurt their chances of finding one that is a more suitable fit. If you have the exact same resume when you apply for a job at McDonald's vs a job to an art museum vs a job as an engineer, you're probably not going to get much other than maybe the McDonald's job. However, if you actually sit down with yourself, think critically about the job you want and what the role would be looking for, you …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 07:50 PM
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We're not talking about showing interest here, so I'm not sure why you bring it up in this context.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 07:47 PM
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Saying men are so gross for wanting sex. Or women saying they get depressed when thinking about how men sexualize them. Even with the way women describe sex. They always describe sex as something men do to women. Not something men and women do together. Don't think I've ever met a woman like this. The vast majority of women enjoy sex, understand that men enjoy sex, like when sex is something two people do together. I think what you're hearing is the depression about how common it is for them to …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 06:56 PM
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At some point we differentiate a romantic, relationship desire with a lustful desire. I don't know what word you'd rather pick. I agree, that it can be a bit confusing, but you have to see a distinction between a desire to be with someone and the desire to be with anyone. A man wanting to be with a specific woman because he loves the way she looks, acts, thinks, and feels is a very different desire from a man wanting to fuck a woman or girl just because she's a woman or girl It's soulless. It's …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 06:40 PM
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Ugly isn't defined by the masses, thankfully. It's defined by the individual. A whole room of people can find you ugly, but you're never going to be in a relationship with a whole room, only one person. Anything you can do can certainly help your chances with a person who doesn't find you ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 06:36 PM
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I don't see where the delusion is here. Yeah if you're not attracted to the person why are you getting romanced by them? What else do you expect? The sort of big desperate gestures as a form of meeting someone are what is often seen as hurting your chances
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 06:24 PM
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Here, if you want an answer: A man sees a woman at the other end of the bar. They're passing glances at one another. He's attracted to her, but he's not sure if she wants him to approach. Eventually, he sees a moment where she is alone, and walks over. (I'm writing this woman as someone who finds him somewhat attractive, single, and is open to a relationship) 1) Desperate (bad): Man: Hi, you look so gorgeous, my name is Connor, I'd love to get your number and take you out to dinner sometime Woma…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 06:19 PM
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Why is that delusional? Attractive men can't be romantic?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 06:08 PM
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Words do have meaning. Read the rest of their comment. Men wanting to put their dicks in women or girls is attraction and desire, yes. That's lust. Desire, in the romantic sense that men often say they don't get enough of, is not that. We're talking about relationships here. The person you replied to never talked about dinner dates or waiting for sex. Stop introducing stupid scenarios and then calling them stupid as if it accomplishes anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 06:06 PM
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I believe in it. The missing piece though is what you do when you're not looking. I still met people, I still flirted from time to time, but because I wasn't so dead set on "finding a partner" I was able to mindfully pick and choose who I engaged with. It doesn't have to mean rejecting all potential prospects, but having other things to focus on.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 05:58 PM
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It's not about "stopping showing interest" like it's some game or strategy, it's actually showing that you have interests beyond "I want to have sex with you." The reason people talk about this sort of thing is when you're not hyper focused on the idea of relationships, and you don't let these feelings of being "touch starved" affect the way you speak to women, is that when you can relax and have objectives in mind that are beyond "sex ASAP" you tend to find more women who are willing to engage …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 05:57 PM
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Yeah most single women I know are spending their free nights doing crafts, hanging out with friends, staying in and watching something new on TV. They're not chasing chads, they're enjoying their alone time until they come across a guy they actually like.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 02:48 PM
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Why not? Have you ever gone to Wrigley and gotten a Chicago dog with grilled onion? Beats the fuck out of just a normal hot dog with a steamed bun. Who on earth would rather cram down 9 plain dogs in a 9-9-9 challenge than enjoy a more luxury experience? Like I understand the challenge aspect, but is it really the more enjoyable scenario? I feel like you'd just get sick.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 02:47 PM
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Okay well I can't take your prediction as gospel. It could easily not happen and the number does not increase.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 02:45 PM
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I don't go to many night clubs, it's not my scene Parties, I see normal men with looksmatch women. That was similar to the wedding I went to. Also similar to bars and outings I go to. Dating apps I see single women, so...can't really make a judgement call there. The hookup scene in general I see normal men with looksmatch women. I see regular guys, some short some tall, all about average height, some bald, some muscular, some skinny...the girls crush on the guys who are charming and fun. I don't…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 02:44 PM
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To what? 0.1% of the world population? Very, very, very few men are living a life where the best version of themselves are still undesirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 02:04 PM
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I'm in a major metro area, and went to college. This is 100% not the case. I see 5'8 men, skinny men, normal looking men with looksmatch women all the time. I just went to a wedding with friends coupled with guys shorter than them, guys who look like everyday joes. Don't exaggerate if you want your point to be taken seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 02:03 PM
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Its coming to a point where a man needs to be a 6'2" well built male model just to be on par with a barely average looking, short, out of shape girl. No it isn't. It really is not. At all. Go anywhere. Walk anywhere. Find average looking dudes in relationships with average looking women. Hell, find average looking dudes with cute women. Look on the street, in the parks, at sporting events. It's everywhere that normal dudes get into relationships with normal women everywhere. Unless you live in s…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 02:01 PM
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So you basically want to tell the undesirables (those who’s improvements will never be enough) These men are very few and far between.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 01:58 PM
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Higher standards mean less sex partners. Why would one do that if one wants to have more sex partners? Do you want more sex partners or more overall sexual satisfaction? Often those two are mutually exclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 01:56 PM
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And who exactly is supposed to increase their standards here with the majority of men already being dateless, sexless, and single already? The man. Who else? The reason these men feel like they are "starving" is because they're lunging at every woman they see, wanting to sleep with anyone and everyone they can because they're desperate for it. By being more thoughtful, taking a break, and understanding themselves better and what they want, they can be more conscious about what they're looking fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 01:54 PM
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Firm agree. Men standards, as a whole, seem to be lower than ever and it gets them into situations that they're unhappy with. I talk with many men on here about being in relationships where she doesn't do any work, she's unsympathetic, they have no sex life, and still he pays all her bills and provides because that's what he's "supposed to do" and/or he'd rather be in a relationship than be single. I have men in my real life who cry about relationships they're in, how she doesn't listen, they do…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 01:52 PM
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A man who was the provider... Sorry, I'm not asking for a hypothetical, I'm asking you to share a time when you last saw something happen in your life where there was a sympathy gap. You say you see it often, so I'm just looking for you to talk about a real time you saw it. Do you have something that you can share?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 01:47 PM
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Not sure where the lie is. They say something, they act in the way that they say they will...is it just a lifelong lie and they're swooning over actual good guys despite not really wanting them deep down?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 01:45 PM
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Mkay well I hope you learn to let go of your way of thinking. It's thankfully far from true in the real world.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 02:53 AM
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Not sure why you said exactly? I wouldn't agree with your statement at all. Women I know measure "good" by how he treats others. It has everything to do with morals and character.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 01:24 AM
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From the women I speak with, no, I don't think their standards are bad. I don't meet many who have unrealistic standards. I can't even say I meet any who say things like "they like handsome, tall guys who are also rich." Most talk about how they want to be treated, not about their bank account. The standards I see are realistic, and firm. I think many men fall below them which can make them seem high
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 08:49 PM
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What happened the last time you saw it? Did I not tell you that people don't always outgrow high school? Did I not tell you for instance that women bully each other in the workplace? You did. Luckily I've not had a job where that happens. Most of my friends, aside from a few horror stories, have been able to dodge that as well. It seems it's not so much the norm. If you read my comment carefully you'd see that I address that there are of course people in the world that don't outgrow high school.…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 07:46 PM
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Well my analogy wasn't about discipline so... Anyway I can't speak to German culture, obviously. I guess I'm just glad the US is different.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 07:42 PM
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Utopia? No. It doesn't have to be so extreme. Obviously there are good and bad experiences. I'm just saying that the bad experiences aren't always the norm. Yes, people having trouble go on forums. It can seem that everyone is having trouble because everyone on the forum is having trouble. Everyone on the forum though isn't everyone. Find me a forum with more than 0.5% of the global population and maybe I'll bite. Dating has become frustrating. Loads of dates feel forced. I know the way a lot of…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 06:31 PM
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And I'm trying to tell you I've seen real life people behave like this Can you share some of those experiences? How often do you see it? Is it the norm? You never attended high school have you? I did, and high school is very different from adult life. Aren't you in your 40s lol Either way, my high school experience was fairly positive. There were a few backstabby personas who never grew up but it was pretty easy to distance myself from them and hang out with better people instead, because overal…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 06:20 PM
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I figured you're talking about real life. I feel like you keep conflating online trolls with people on the street. I'm trying to tell you that, in real life, people don't behave in the way that online personas do. This supposed "sympathy gap" doesn't exist when you have good people around you. My real life experiences is listening to 40 years of gossip and hearing this shit come up about dudes someone is trying to get me to dislike. What sort of dudes are you referring to? Are you meeting people…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 04:29 PM
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Okay well we only have your word for how bad it is. I prefer to take what you say at face value and build from it. If I want to go in doubting your experiences then what's the point of conversation if we can't even trust each other to be honest in what we talk about? I assume you're being honest with me, but if you want to assume doubt in the veracity of my claims then I don't know why you bother to respond at all. If you'd like more proof I'm happy to show you texts, I have the receipts lol, bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 04:18 PM
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Can't say I share that sentiment. I'm approaching 40 as well, and I've sitll had a lot of fun with dating. Lots of fire, spark, fun, and life. It seems you're backing off your original stance at least. Women, even mostly feminists, are acting in ways that are consistent with their ideals, making dating much more egalitarian, fun, and enjoyable.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 03:55 PM
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Yes, those people online who are trolls typically fit in one of two categories: 1) Terminally online, don't venture out much 2) Don't actually think that or say things like that to you in person. They are just antagonists hiding behind anonymity. It's seemingly the norm in most of the western world. The experiences I share with others and the conversations I have seem to support that theory. The only times I see toxicity is online, and whenever I hear people talking about toxicity it's referenci…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 03:48 PM
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Well in the US, at least where I live, it's quite common for women (most of whom in my liberal city are feminist) to offer to pay for at least a portion of the date. Women who have asked me out will even pay for the whole bit
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 03:25 PM
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Are you meeting a lot of people on the street who call you a bitterboy and an incel? The world online and the real world are extremely different, don't make the mistake in thinking that how someone treats you online is going to be the same as real life. I see trolling all the time online that I'll never see in reality. Borat is only one glaring example ...Borat is a movie
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 03:23 PM
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That’s what feminism claims in theory - but that’s not what’s actually happening. It's been what's happening on my dates. Does it not happen on your dates?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 02:32 PM
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Thankfully I don't date people online. IRL, almost every feminist woman I've dated has paid for or split cost on the first date. The two times I got the "look" to pay for the check with no effort came from conservative/right leaning women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 02:31 PM
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I invite you back to my earlier point where people on the street aren't saying things like that. My chats with strangers on the street are brief and cordial. Real life also includes friends, confidants, family, and acquaintances, people who I can easily pick and choose who I spend time with and who gets less of me if they say disagreeable things. If it's all the same to you I'm sticking to one topic. We aren't talking about politics here or who voted for whom, we're talking about this supposed s…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 02:28 PM
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Weird. Everyone I know who says "I just want a good guy" IRL will also act like that in her dating strategy
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 02:18 PM
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If you never heard about it online you certainly didn't hear of it in the outside world Yes. That's exactly my point. People online are not people who know you well. Many online are trolls, people saying antagonistic things for kicks, people who will sometimes show their worst selves. People online are, largely, inconsequential. If you have an issue with online comments about being a bitterboy, that can almost certainly be avoided by no longer going to that website, by finding a better community…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 02:17 PM
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That's not dating, that's having a hot friend. We can be pals, she can be my date to the function, but I'd never be in a relationship with her
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 02:01 PM
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Yes. I think it's pretty easy to tell when a woman isn't interested. There are women who will act disinterested when they actually are, and I take that as disinterest as well for the sake of my own sanity. I'm not interested in games, so I take things at face value. The better answer is that I can definitely tell when she is into me. The behavior tends to be quite clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 01:59 PM
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Literally never heard bitterboy before this comment. Incel/femcel exist largely online. What I'm talking about is mostly referring to the outside world, not the internet
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 01:56 PM
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...neat. What a novel concept /s Why are you responding to me with that lol
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 07:20 PM
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Lot of assumption. Can you illustrate how I, specifically, failed? Or would you like to actually know why relationships ended?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 07:18 PM
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Dislike. I'd be furious if I had to be in a marriage arranged by my parents, because I've seen the type of women they'd want for me and they're duds. I'd much prefer an edgy, artsy type than a rich well behaved tradwife.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 02:40 PM
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How have they treated you poorly?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 02:36 PM
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Neither. My feelings toward women come from meeting them and establishing my feelings based on our interactions. I can't quantify any feeling I have towards women as a whole because that'd be an impossible ask. Yes women get complimented and asked on dates without having to try, but more often by scuzzy dudes that aren't worth it. I don't really get irked by women all that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 02:36 PM
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As a man who has had long periods of being single, I couldn't disagree more. Most dates I've been on there isn't even any ask about my dating experience, or how long I've been single. When there is, every woman who I've spoken to has, if anything, been curious/interested/satisfied that I took time away to be single. To claim that men are viewed as closeted or "pedophile-adject" is absolutely silly
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 02:10 PM
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Okay, so how would that work, exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 02:07 PM
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With regards to dating prospects? No, not at all I would put 80% of women I meet below the threshold of date worthy, which if we're going off of an OkCupid study that's likely how these women were handling the survey as well. Fact is, the methodology of the study is a bit unclear so it's difficult to say exactly what these women were thinking when making selections.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 02:06 PM
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Not from what I've seen, so I can't say I agree with you there.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 05:25 AM
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How would you say that bar get enforced?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 05:23 AM
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Sure. But sometimes they do. We can only encourage so much for two people who aren't a match to not get married and yet sometimes they do anyway. And if they find that it's been a mistake, they should divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 01:20 AM
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In this scenario, that one woman would be less likely to date him. Because of the s-word. You guys know what the s-word is right? The s-word is status. That one woman wouldn't want to date him, because he doesn't have the status of a person who has cured cancer. Where do you meet women like this? Seems a pretty unrealistic scenario for a woman to turn down a clearly brilliant mind (who, I assume, is otherwise also a perfectly suitable partner) just because he lacks status.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 06:56 PM
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I don't see what's so unrealistic about a woman wanting to sleep with 20% of men. On my end, I probably only find about 20% of women attractive, and that figure might be pretty generous. What would you figure is more realistic? To want to sleep with half of women?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 06:53 PM
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And I disagree. I think, overall, men's standards are far too low. So many men will settle with a woman who treats him poorly just in hopes for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 06:52 PM
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Option 2, no problem. Option 1 seems like a great friend, and I'd likely cherish her company, but if we're talking what's essentially a fuckbuddy I'm going option 2 easily
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 03:17 PM
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It's a shame people think that reflects reality, and if it does then it only shows that men need to raise their standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 03:15 PM
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Expectorator? When that happens, those people that are ripping on men who are coming from abusive relationships also get ripped to pieces for it. As they should
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 01:29 PM
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A man never has to put up with being a free therapist. A lot of men feel htey have to because they'd rather be with a toxic person than have a dry spell, and those men need to learn how to be alone for a bit if they need to be so they can find the right person I see those sorts of profiles too when I'm on dating apps. It's very very easy to swipe left
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 10:59 PM
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So you feel you aren't in a safe space with these women you've dated...have you ever tried it out to see if you're right?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 10:56 PM
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As they should
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 10:56 PM
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I chat with her often. I like to send her texts every so often letting her know I'm thinking about her, and I am I make time spent together as enjoyable as possible through shared activity I do little things for her and get her small tokens of appreciation that she enjoys, even when they cost nothing Ultimately I treat her like a best friend. I listen to her, joke with her, spend time with her, help make her life more enjoyable. Plus, sex
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 10:53 PM
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Matches are not equivalent on both sides. Money has a quantifiable value, matches do not. Also, there are more than enough women who don't expect men to provide that it's not really a universal expectation these days You seem to keep dipping into jobs territory instead of talking frankly about the topic at hand, which is relationships/matches. These two things aren't mutually exclusive though. I'm not sure how they contradict at all. I mentioned this earlier about the men vetting women and being…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 10:51 PM
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The reason it's more pointless is that there aren't quantifiable measures, you even say yourself. However wage gap issues can be easily quantified. "Men have it easy cause they don't have to vet like women" in one breath, and then "men being more eager is objectification and no woman likes that" in the next. These two things aren't mutually exclusive though. I'm not sure how they contradict at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 09:34 PM
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It's hard to determine what your stance actually is. You ramble a lot in your comments that I've read around the thread, and you sort of jump from topic to topic. What about my comment do you disagree with? That men and women both have unique challenges when it comes to dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 08:57 PM
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Okay well let's stick to your topic on this thread then, since we're not talking about political things. You seem like you have trouble staying on topic
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 08:45 PM
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Funnier thing, most people don't lash out from a simple rejection
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 08:44 PM
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There is no point in trying to explain to women that men don't have the endless supply of wealth they think... Because that's what the wage gap means, right? No, that's not right.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 08:28 PM
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Both women and men have unique challenges when it comes to dating, especially between individual men/women in different areas, countries, etc. It's kind of pointless to debate who has it harder as a whole, because there are always going to be some men who have it easy, some women who have it easy, some men who have it hard, some women who have it hard, and all for very different reasons that are difficult to quantify against each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 08:27 PM
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Yes you're completely misunderstanding it. It is definitely not about role playing a past experience. It's role playing a scenario, only this time it is with a partner you trust, the consent is there, and you are in control of the situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 02:26 PM
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This is a horrible tactic. Really unreasonable. If a woman blocked me, I'd ditch her. It's a clear sign she doesn't want me. Most normal men would think this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 01:26 PM
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What's this question have to do with gangs?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 01:22 PM
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It's easy then to have conversations with teenage boys and help them understand the difference between fantasy and reality
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 01:22 PM
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I don't think this is the case where someone is thinking of their rapist. I'd be very surprised at this.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 01:20 PM
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It's not if a woman is alone in her room. It's not if a woman is only with her girl friends. I think different women have different ideas of what makes them feel pretty. For some, it's dressing butch. For others, it's makeup and lifted bras.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 01:13 PM
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Less tolerance for bad behavior is a good thing. It's only a bad thing for partners who are demonstrating bad behaviors, in which case I say who cares? Those people aren't treating their partners well, so it's only fair that they are left behind. To say that I must tolerate bad behavior out of fairness to future partners is absolutely stupid. It's not at all fair to me when I'm looking to be with someone who treats me well. I have low tolerance for mistreatment, lower than I did in my youth, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 01:12 PM
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Mmm no thanks. My life has been much better believing what women tell me.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 06:55 PM
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Chicken and egg. A woman dresses to feel pretty and it also happens to draw male attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 06:54 PM
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I know several women who do this.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 06:53 PM
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Unfortunately you don't have a say in the matter of whether or not something will change you. Life changes come for us all, and give new perspective whether you want it or not. To claim when you're only in your mid 30s that you're done changing is silly at best. This does not change the fact that she was more tolerant with previous partners. Okay and? High tolerance for bad behavior can lead to mistreatment, so a person after experiencing that will lower their tolerance in order to protect thems…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 06:52 PM
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Again, if you're fully "done" changing, then I feel sorry for you. Change and adaptation have been some of my favorite elements of life, and it's a pity that you may miss out on them. However, call it a gut feeling, but unless you're up in your 60s+, I'm betting you're very wrong. You're literally not able to take into account unexpected changes. You will (not may, will) react to them in ways that are new and unexpected. Mid 30s, you're not done. Best of luck to you, but the changing isn't over …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 04:09 PM
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To declare that you will not change is a little...short sighted, a bit ignorant, and above all bold. Change comes for all of us. Your life will take drastic turns that will force you to change your outlook to new situations you don't expect. Maybe you're young, and if so in a few years you might look back to a time you said this and laugh, recognizing the change and growth you've experienced since then. But if you're right, and you genuinely don't change at all in 1, 5, 10 years...I'd honestly p…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 03:25 PM
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The future is uncertain. People change. How you expect to react tomorrow may not be the case when tomorrow comes. Different events shape a person and can drastically alter their motives and emotions. Except I don't use learning as an excuse to not do things I did with my previous partner. I don't use learning as an excuse to tolerate less than I did tolerate from previous partners. I don't use learning as an excuse to do less for current partner compared to what I did for previous partner. Okay?…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 02:21 PM
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This is your first relationship, so you don't know that for sure. Does this not work for women? I feel like this is for most people, bringing things they learned from their first relationship into their next one.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 01:52 PM
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But if it fails, your next relationship won't be bringing your best, is that right?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 01:44 PM
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Was your first relationship your best?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 01:16 PM
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I'm not familiar with that meme. I'm more familiar with the memes of men punching walls, screaming in their car, throwing fists when they hit an emotional break. Would you call simple tears "crashing out"? I wouldn't, personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 01:14 PM
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I'll take that over violent crash outs
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 01:11 PM
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This is not a "who mishandles their emotions worse" topic, it's a "who mishandles their emotions more often". Oh...when you wrote Women being better at emotions has the biggest bullshit propaganda push I've seen in the last few years I took the word "better" as an opposite of the word "worse." I didn't know it could mean "less often."
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 11:57 PM
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I mean, I've seen tons of women crying over nothing, but I've also seen tons of men crashing out over nothing. I think while women may tend to feel more, their reactions are typically far more contained.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 11:50 PM
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I commented on what you (supposedly) wrote. If you wrote that, then you should easily have the links to those studies handy. If you don't, then you should easily be able to show where I can read up on them. But it's okay I found it myself. Found this part interesting: In this respect, this study was also based exclusively on the memory of the subjects, since no stimulus material was used. As a result, the subjects had little opportunity to test the consistency of our definition and their idea of…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 11:47 PM
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I commented on what you (supposedly) wrote. If you wrote that, then you should easily have the links to those studies handy. If you don't, then you should easily be able to show where I can read up on them. But it's okay I found it myself. Found this part interesting: In this respect, this study was also based exclusively on the memory of the subjects, since no stimulus material was used. As a result, the subjects had little opportunity to test the consistency of our definition and their idea of…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 10:23 PM
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Do you have links to these studies? Where did you read them? I'd be more than happy to take a look and form a more cohesive argument. I assume since you did read them and were able to readily pull them up (including names and years that the studies took place) that you were on pages for them so it should be easy for you to pull a link. This shouldn't be difficult, I don't know why you're resisting so hard to engage in conversation. You didn't even answer my questions. I have a sneaking suspicion…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 08:18 PM
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It was delicious (and I won, times infinity)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 08:03 PM
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A 2024 study in Frontiers in Psychology So, confidence, charisma, risk-taking, sensation-seeking, and playful. These aren't necessarily characteristics of a convicted felon, which is where we began. A man can easily be all of these things and be a perfectly nice person. To draw a man like this in the same category as a murderer is...a major stretch, wouldn't you think? (I hope you answer the above question) Yes, criminals can also have these traits, but to say a woman is attracted to confidence …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 08:03 PM
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You haven't refuted it yet. Instead, you got into a tizzy about me restating yours for...whatever reason. I'm kind of over this whole process. I'm gonna go eat my cannoli and celebrate my win on this debate. Feel free to speak your peace, my dear.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 07:41 PM
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Why would they lie to me if they want to fuck? Seems like backwards logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 07:35 PM
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Uh huh. Classic move. You can't actually refute the point, so you conjure up some game of "word my argument correctly" and if all else fails say that I'm lying. I'm having a lovely day thank you
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 07:33 PM
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It does matter. If you gave me a study that proves your stance well then what I feel can certainly be moved. I'm not rigid. I have believed and then changed my mind on a number of things in my life. Again, this isn't a you v me scenario. There's no point to whatever gold star you're wanting out of this. My point is that you can take the fact that your perspective is based on feeling rather than facts, and change your attitude about it. It seems that you are the one who has the immovable opinion,…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 07:32 PM
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I didn't make that point, so unfortunately it looks like you've lost the debate. I think we can see here that the best person to state when someone's argument is is the person themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 07:29 PM
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Still avoiding addressing my actual point. Can you even properly state my point? Or is this game only going in one direction? Because if you can't state my position then you're actually the one who lost the debate Hint: it's not that I think men's feelings are invalid, so that's already wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 05:18 PM
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Well if/when there is another person asking me to state your point, I'll happily point them in your direction so you can best state it. I'd hate to misrepresent your stance with imprecise wording. At the moment though, it's just you, in which case I'd, still, say that you're the best person to state your stance as clearly as possible. I do enjoy this fun game that you've conjured up that avoids actually addressing my point though.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 05:08 PM
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Who is "us"? If you wanna be cryptic to avoid actual conversation, I'm happy to play that game, but it's just gonna make you look petty.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 04:49 PM
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At the moment there seems to be...no data at all. I mean you gave the serial killer example, which I refuted with basic numbers. Was there anything else? Did you have some survey available about how women feel about criminals and it would shock me? If you were able to provide something like that, it would absolutely move my opinion. But I guess I was right that you missed the point and are giving up. You admit it yourself here.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 04:47 PM
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I have a feeling you missed the point and are just giving up
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 04:25 PM
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...am I supposed to? I'm stating my position. If you want your position stated then you're the best person to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 04:24 PM
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Look all I'm saying is that to take a rejection as a reflection of worth (ie, not good enough) is doing yourself a disservice. Yes, you can be disappointed that someone you asked out said no, but, like it or not, your stance relies on the man reflecting on the rejection as a position of "worthiness" rather than incompatibility. You said it yourself many times: "That means they were not good enough" It's not about being "good enough," it's about being a match.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 03:51 PM
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Well don't think of it as a me v you thing. You can take this concession and apply it to your life now, where you don't have to worry about women who are infatuated with serial killers, for two reasons: 1) They're few and far between 2) They're not the type of women who are going to build healthy bonds. So, you can move from this with confidence that the vast majority of women are happier with a well-adjusted man than a convicted criminal.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 03:36 PM
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I'm sorry that you feel a rejection defines worth.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 03:34 PM
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But where is the "chronic dissatisfaction"? That's the part that's not linking to your original point.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 03:32 PM
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If it's not affecting their overall worth or their worth for a relationship with a different person, why then is a man "crushed" to hear that this particular person doesn't want a relationship with them then? Seems like these men are being awfully sensitive if just one person saying they're not interested is "crushing."
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 03:24 PM
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It's extremely exaggerated, and not that close. What's the real conversation you mentioned? The dating scene in the US. I already said that earlier. Scroll up a couple comments when you asked that before.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 03:22 PM
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I'm not married. I'm getting this perfectly fine, and I'm pretty sure I understand the point you're trying to make, but if you'd rather ask weird leading questions that don't give you the answer you want instead of speaking plainly I'm happy to play along. Do you want to pretend to be cryptic? Or do you want to actually talk facts? I don't really have any chronic dissatisfaction with my relationships, I think is the part that you aren't getting.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 03:21 PM
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….so long as you’re willing to pay for premium, swipe for weeks without a match, get ghosted left right and center, get sold an OF subscription, drown in bots and fake accounts, get told you’re not good enough because you’re not a 6’5 feet tall communist feminist vegan trillionaire with a 12 inches dick… That part, written by another commenter who you agreed with.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 03:08 PM
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I explained it to you, it seems like.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 03:05 PM
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It doesn't have to mean that. I have several female friends I've rejected a relationship with. That doesn't mean they're not good enough. It means, in several cases, that our personalities/long term goals do not align. They are great women. I adore them. I'd drop anything for them. I do not want a relationship with them
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 03:04 PM
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The dating scene in the US
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 02:59 PM
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It means Long Term Relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 02:58 PM
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I'm someone who is promiscuous, and I haven't felt that effect on my LTRs
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 02:51 PM
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People always resort to hyperbole when they're in a losing position. Who said anything about perfect creatures? Nobody. You only want to attribute a silly argument to me because you don't want to address what I actually said. Tell me, do you know women who are lusting after serial killers, or do you just read about it online?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 02:50 PM
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Not false, but not necessarily correct
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 01:56 PM
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Jack Doherty is just the most extreme outlier. Well then there's your answer. He's an outlier. Most good looking people are perfectly nice people. Maybe they can get away with things, but do they? Is everyone who is attractive acting like a shithead and getting away with it? Probably not.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 01:42 PM
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How many burgers do you think is too restrictive? Are you needing to eat much more than one/two in a day?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 01:30 PM
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Hasn't had the effect on me
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 01:15 PM
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I'd say no. Most of my partners and I had a very quick chemistry before we got intimate.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 01:06 PM
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Thank god my city has much more interesting women than yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 01:05 PM
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It's not. This tired hyperbole is so dramatic. It prevents real conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 01:04 PM
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You didn't really head it off, tbh The counter was that while there are women who will do that, it constitutes a very small percentage of women on the whole. Yes, there are hundreds potentially thousands of women who browse prison sites and write letters to inmates and serial killers professing love. Let's say there are 5,000 women who do this in the US. Killers might get hundreds of letters written to them asking for marriage. It's crazy right? Well, if only there weren't 170 million other wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 12:58 PM
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I love how quick you are to justify these comments that go against your worldview. "He's probably paying for her...well then she's probably ugly...well then they must be..." Does it ever get exhausting, all these mental gymnastics?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 12:54 PM
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You can start to assess that in conversation. That's words, my guy
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 12:49 PM
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Women also do 1 on 1 hangouts with the boys they have a crush on and want to date. Then the guy starts acting whimsical and flirty and she responds to it because she is also being flirty. There is more than one option
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 03:16 PM
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Nope, that's not what I'm saying. Your negative skew of what I'm telling you is in your own mind and that's part of your attitude that needs adjustment. You're seeing the worst in yourself. Your desire is to be attractive to the women you're attracted to, but in general good looking, fit women are going to be more set on dating men who are also fit and good looking. If you want to get their attention, you either need to lose some weight or have something else that's great to offer, but you seem …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/25 03:29 PM
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One time an OK cupid study came out that was never verified and nobody knows the details of so I think that must be a hard truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/25 03:22 PM
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That's literally it happening organically. People don't just fall into dates with one another. It takes one person asking "Hey are you free friday to hit up this bakery I found" I hate "what are we" questions too. Those usually come after a few days of hanging out and flirting, which is why I have a conversation to establish things early.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 02:14 PM
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That's where communication helps, and recognizing how you feel in the situation as well. If a woman puts herself in the proximity of you, well now you know that she wants to be around you more. Is it romantic? Is it platonic? We don't know yet. Okay, next step, get to know her see how you feel. Are you into her in a romantic way? Platonic? You can start to assess that in conversation. You build on knowledge through gathering information in that moment.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 01:52 PM
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I literally gave you specific critiques on your apparel choice, you didn't like it. I specifically told you that losing weight would be a requirement and you didn't like that either. What would you like to be specific about? I'm happy to answer any specific question but sometimes in order to give specific answers I need specific details from you. NO. IT. FUCKING. WON'T. It will. You're shooting yourself down. You call yourself ugly. Nobody wants to be with a person who considers themselves ugly.…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 01:48 PM
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It's a shame when trolls give up like this. Goes to show they never really had any goals to begin with. l8R sk8r
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 01:39 PM
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Use your words, big boy
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 09:37 PM
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What'd you say?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 09:30 PM
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Not enough to satisfy my hunger or make my brain happy. Could you give an amount? And so I guess you just ignored it because it doesn't fit your agenda. Nope. It doesn't matter. Physical attraction is the only thing that matters to me. Okay, but for most others, that's not the case. That's why fixing your attitude could result in a higher success rate. Here's the part I don't get. At the start of this convo, you seemed upset that men like you don't have a chance to get into relationships, but it…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 09:30 PM
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You're saying it's not against the rules to suffocate a baby while napping? Wow
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 09:25 PM
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Because it would be against the rules to suffocate a baby while napping.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 09:21 PM
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What do you consider such small portions? Did you even read the part about the stretch marks and loose skin I'll have when I do lose weight? Yes For most people, physical attraction is not the only thing that matters. That's why I'm saying your attitude could use adjustment
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 09:15 PM
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You're still not allowed to suffocate a baby while napping on your own. It's against the rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 09:13 PM
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It's the same game. You can't suffocate a baby while napping, it is against the rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 08:44 PM
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Nope, you won't. You can still have burgers and fries and cake and still lose weight. Even after I lose weight, I'll still be unattractive. Don't know that for sure unless you try And for what? Even if I somehow got an attractive woman, she won't stay attractive forever. Is physical attraction all that matters to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 08:42 PM
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Literally told you why it has a win/lose scenario and rules and you agreed with me when you said "I've played that game before" Try another
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 08:41 PM
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You don't have to put yourself through insane exercise and a strict diet to lose weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 08:37 PM
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Literally all. You can't name a single thing that isn't
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 08:37 PM
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Not everything, no. But losing weight would certainly help you a lot, and updating your fashion, from what you've described, could go a long way
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 08:24 PM
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You didn't respond to my comment. I wrote that, from your earlier comment, you seem to now understand that everything that you can possibly do in life is a game, no matter what.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 08:24 PM
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I take your silence as understanding that I am correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 08:18 PM
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So physical attraction is important to you, can you understand why it's important to others? Would those women be more attractive if they lost weight? I'm glad you get complimented on the hat, but it's clearly not helping you in the ways of dating. I'm sure there are people who look shitty in fedoras who still get compliments. I'm not a baseball player, redneck, or rapper thug either. I wear baseball hats plenty because they suit me better. I also wear "dad caps" and five panel hats. Casual ones…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 08:17 PM
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You should have none with me was my point "Should" and "do" are unfortunately very different. I unfortunately am not just going to take you at your word, but I appreciate you sharing nonetheless.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 11:45 PM
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I do. Pretty much every man I've had conversations with about not having any way to improve themselves, and who I've been able to know more beyond just text, have always had concrete ways I've been able to find improvements on their appearance. I don't think you're lying, I just think you are lacking a bit of perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 10:02 PM
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Pretty easy to not lose your money if you keep a budget.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 09:47 PM
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Mkay. Well I can't help but doubt what you say, but we can just leave it there.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 09:45 PM
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Well some lessons are learned a bit late. You've still got time at least to change things. Do you genuinely think you've been the best version of yourself before? I'm not gaslighting you, I'm making an educated guess. Gaslighting would mean that I know you're right but I'm trying to convince you otherwise. I have my doubts that what you're saying is true.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 09:17 PM
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I don't know why you expect women to suddenly be interested in you if you've only gotten worse since high school. It seems you've fallen for the idea that you can just do whatever and eventually you'll find someone. Most of us learn that while being yourself is the idea, the key is to be the best version of yourself. You, by your own words, have only gotten worse. Real talk, you probably are average, and there are likely things that you can do to improve your outward appearance, but you just hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 08:49 PM
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So a Chad is just someone who gets girls? Then there's not really any steps to take to be Chad other than "get women to have sex with you." You don't have to be tall, you don't have to be muscular, you don't have to make a lot of money, as long as a girl is interested in you, then suddenly you're Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 07:18 PM
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I'd say, generally, woman's tastes vary quite a bit in the real world when it comes to actually dating. Do women generally find Harry Styles attractive? Sure, absolutely. Do these women generally require men to look like Harry Styles in order to date her? No.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 06:52 PM
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Most of them? No. Why not? What you suggest I wear then Mr. King of fashion?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 06:29 PM
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I got more ugly that I already was. Right so...what would you expect to have changed?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 06:28 PM
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News flash, society has beauty standards for everyone. It's a shitty aspect of commercialism, but that's just what happens. THe nice part is, plenty of individual people don't conform to society's standards of what is attractive, and they still love people with their imperfections all the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 06:28 PM
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Well yeah I think it's a universal truth that people want to be in relationships with people they're attracted to. I understand the things you've done, but what about your outward appearance has changed over time?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 05:08 PM
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Yes. A man I know around 280 (granted, not as heavy as you) just got into a relationship with a good friend of mine. Simply being fun to be around isn't enough for women to be attractive to men Yes, you're absolutely right. That's why people suggest being dynamic in order to secure relationships. Are you not willing to be with an equally fat woman? I wear polos and button down shirts. Usually black or purple in color, often with elaborate patterns. I do not wear T-shirts in public anymore. I wea…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 05:08 PM
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Is this you acknowledging that every single thing you can possibly do in life is a game? And that I'm correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 05:05 PM
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If you nap on top of a sleeping baby and suffocate it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 05:04 PM
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Nope. there are rules, and a win/lose scenario Win/lose: you win by having a good rest, you lose by not falling asleep Rules: You can't kill anybody while you're napping
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 05:00 PM
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We're not talking about Monopoly, an actual game that has printed rules. We're talking about dating. Can you name one thing in life that isn't a game? I'm nearing my last comment here because it's clear you're about to give up.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 04:28 PM
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Cool, we can get into that. First, name one thing at all that you can do that isn't a game. It seems that you're unable to
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 04:23 PM
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Name one single thing in life that isn't a game. Literally everything that you could possibly do is a game.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 04:22 PM
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EVERY SINGLE THING THAT YOU COULD POSSIBLY DO is a game. Can you name one single thing that isn't a game? If so, I'll venmo you $1000
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 04:19 PM
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What have you changed about yourself since high school? What have been your most drastic improvements?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 04:19 PM
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Literally EVERY SINGLE THING is a game by your measure. Read my comment in full. Every single thing you do in your entire life is a game, so everything is on an even playing field. BEYOND THAT, there is no FURTHER game involved in dating/flirting.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 04:17 PM
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Then literally everything is a game. Going to the grocery store is a game. Taking a nap is a game. Reading a book is a game. Doodling on your notepad is a game. If everything is a game, then everything is on an even playing field. So, beyond that, and basic rules of humanity, there is no further game involved in dating/flirting, the way I see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 04:16 PM
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320lbs is pretty hefty! I know men who are that size who are in relationships, but part of the reason they got there is because they are also bright, fun people to be around. Obviously, your chances would increase if you put in a bit of effort. You don't have to give up food that tastes good to get there either, you just have to eat less of it. In what ways do you dress better than 95% of people? Because at 320 lbs, it'd be hard to find clothes that will make you look good. Shape and contour rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 04:14 PM
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for instance in dating rape is not allowed, etc ...what do you think "don't be an asshole" means exactly lol Like that's just common sense to not commit a literal crime. I meant rules beyond that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 04:08 PM
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Your downvotes are fun btw :* What rules are there that I have to follow for flirting and dating that wouldn't be covered by "don't be an asshole"? Could you list a few out to me?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 03:47 PM
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It's actually pretty easy for me to not say yes. I don't know you, so I can't answer for sure. I don't know how fat you are, how ugly you are, how much of it can be improved by good styling or exercise. If you want me to say yes, then I'd have to know a lot more about you. Your attitude certainly isn't helping, that much I know for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 03:46 PM
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I'm not sure you understood what I wrote. I said that women having different tastes does NOT mean that every man will be seen as attractive. The majority of anyone isn't seen as attractive, unless the group is "attractive people"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 03:43 PM
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Well I don't know you, so I can't say whether or not I agree with the notion that you have no chance. I will say that attitude probably doesn't help much
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 02:57 PM
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My bad, daddy
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 02:56 PM
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Nah, it wouldn't. I don't really think there are many rules or win/lose conditions in dating and flirting, aside from "don't be an asshole"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 02:34 PM
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I didn't say "short, fat, ugly" now did I? I also didn't say most of them must have a chance either did I? Do you know why I didn't say that? Because I don't believe it. Don't attribute an easy argument to me just because you don't want to address the more challenging point that you have a harder time disproving.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 02:30 PM
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If everything is game, then nothing is genuine. You're putting everything on the same playing field. I disagree with this pov as well
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 02:28 PM
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Well, then that wouldn't include flirting/dating then would it? Not to me at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 02:26 PM
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If dating isn't a game, why does that limit who can take part?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 02:26 PM
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I find this logic pretty dumb. How am I playing a game if I don't even realize it? I'm being who I am. I act the way I act when I like someone and I want to talk to them. What you think is "playing a game" I just call personality and charm. There's no game to it, that's just how I am. I don't have a reliable laugh joke, the vast majority of the jokes I make are in the moment, and the others are just to make me laugh. I also don't know if I've ever once stared a little longer as some sort of test…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 02:25 PM
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Weird how real life disproves it almost daily
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 02:18 PM
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People said this when I was growing up too (I'm a millennial). Times haven't changed. I know men who are sub 5'8 with good looking wives.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 02:17 PM
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And they're in shape, and they take care of themselves, and they're driven to a career that goes beyond "gerbil cage cleaner," and they have passions, and they have charisma, and they've got a good social network, and they have good fashion sense, and...
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 02:16 PM
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Huh...that's strange. I've had that instant chemistry with women, but I'm not the type of man you describe. Thankfully there are tons of middle men between "6ft+, Muscular and make lots of money" and "Paul the Petco Gerbil Cage Cleaner"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 02:15 PM
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How do you explain this discrepancy if every woman is different and they supposedly have tastes that vary? Every woman being different and having varying tastes does not mean that every man no matter what can be seen as attractive. Some men have mass appeal. Some men have unique appeal. Some men have absolutely no appeal to anyone. The nice part about this is that that appeal can easily change over time. The dorky kid from class can grow up to be a handsome dude, the start quarterback can let hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 02:14 PM
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If you respond to any of my comments ever again, or DM me, or tag me, or contact me in any way, then you are admitting once and for all that I am smarter, better, and by far the superior being, and forever admit that I win at anything times infinity, including from any alts. Any subsequent comments would only be you admitting it more strongly. Good luck!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 08:58 PM
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Damn dude no need to get so angry about it lol. It's just the internet. If you reply to this comment at all you lose and, by proxy, admit that I am of superior intelligence, strength, and kindness.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 08:52 PM
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What triggered you?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 08:47 PM
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Wow, projecting again! Why are you angry?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 08:44 PM
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Projection. You're after your own
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 08:30 PM
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Woooooooooooow just goes to show you how desperate men like this can be.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 08:25 PM
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I did! I'm glad you think I'm handsome
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 08:14 PM
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Fair enough! I guess then if you'd like to call yourself a sexless virgin then that's okay!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 08:13 PM
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Aw more projections! How cute. We already knew that though, that's why you stay far away from women, and that's a GOOD thing. Be proud of your sexless self! (By the way, virgin means sexless, so you don't have to make it redundant. YOu can just say that you're a virgin)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 08:10 PM
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Already covered that! You projected times infinity no take backs
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 08:09 PM
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Thanks for admitting that I am the superior being and always will be
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 08:06 PM
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Aw chin up buddy! It's okay if you're confused. Take a breather and read from the beginning, it'll make more sense
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 08:06 PM
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You tried, but failed. Your projection at the start of this thread is all we need.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 08:01 PM
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You already gave up, so why would I? I've bested you. Face it shortie, you're out of you element with me. I always win :)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 08:01 PM
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Woof, projecting a fedora now? That's rough. You should get better style. Those are very dated.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 07:55 PM
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We established this already. Since you began the conversation with your projection, then based on your reasoning I must assume that you are the violent one here. So your projections of your violent tendencies are all that have happened. I'm simply calling that out.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 07:54 PM
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Yeah, unfortunately there's a lot of less intelligent violent people on here such as yourself and sometimes they've gotta be called out.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 07:51 PM
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It was projection, nothing more. If it were an accurate assessment, you'd actually have concrete reasoning, which you don't. Projection of your own thoughts and behavior is all that you have.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 07:49 PM
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No, that was you when you accused me of beating my wife at the very beginning of the thread. That was you projecting.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 07:46 PM
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Given up huh? Violent people like you tend to realize how much smarter I am.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 07:45 PM
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But that's what you're doing, projecting.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 07:36 PM
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But what you'll really find is your own violent rhetoric being projected onto me, from the very beginning. All I've been doing is calling it out
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 07:36 PM
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Yes. Improving doesn't mean successfully improved. ...I think it should. If someone tells me that something is improved I never expect it to mean, in the end, "I tried but nothing actually improved"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 07:35 PM
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What is?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 07:34 PM
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If you scroll back in the chain, you'll find you were the one who brought in violent rhetoric. I simply called you out for projection.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 07:33 PM
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I have only called out your projection, nothing more.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 07:32 PM
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You were also the first one who projected. I was the first one to call it out when you projected your thoughts onto me.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 07:31 PM
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Yes, that's what I'm saying. You projected more of your dark thoughts onto me. Do you want to actually know the truth, or are you just eager to write fanfiction?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 07:29 PM
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No, my friend, that was you. I merely called you out for your projection when you wrote: "Me too. Same for you to dude I would hate to hear that you beat your wife." You can scroll back in the comments to check
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 07:29 PM
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Yikes my guy. Again projecting your dark thoughts. Do you want to actually know the truth, or are you just eager to write fanfiction? Fine either way, but if it's the latter I'm more than willing to continue my armchair diagnosis :)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 07:25 PM
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Right, so when you accused me of beating my wife/girlfriend that's what you were doing. If you had a girlfriend, you feel that that's something you would do, and you're projecting those thoughts and behaviors onto me. That's something you can get some help with on therapy sessions. Do you have a regular therapist?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 07:24 PM
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Damn dude, those are some nasty thoughts. How a person, let alone a man like you, could let something like that enter their thoughts is beyond me. I certainly hope you follow the advice you've written here and avoid relationships. Thankfully my girlfriend is quite safe with me, but you don't care to know the truth. You just want to imagine violence. It's a shame. Do you have a therapist?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 07:22 PM
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Yes, that's what I'm saying. You're projecting your violent behavior onto me. Do you know what the term means?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 07:20 PM
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I'm just saying, you seem to think that projection is a valid way to determine if someone is an abuser. You were the first one in our exchange to bring up violence, so it only makes sense that you are projecting your own violent tendencies onto me. You're a man, after all, and since men are exceedingly violent then you must fit the mold (based on your logic), so I'm only using your own rules and applying them to you. Maybe you could try working on yourself. Do you have a therapist?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 07:18 PM
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Sure they would! Abusers are known to cover up their lies. In a similar sense, those who don't abuse have no reason to lie and claim that they are abusive. It seems you're continuing to project your bad behavior onto me, but I'm certainly glad that the relationship that I have is extraordinarily positive. It seems you just want to believe that all men are as bad as you are. It's clear that you want to live in your imagination, and don't want to know the truth. Best of luck to you, with your head…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 07:17 PM
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You started it, my friend, so if projection is something that you think is valid, then I have no choice but to believe that you were projecting your own violent tendencies onto me. So, is this something you've dealt with before?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 07:13 PM
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100% agree, it doesn't match my definition either. That's why I said I treat my girlfriend well, because my treatment doesn't include beating anybody Perhaps you're misreading my comments, but I already said that physical violence is not my thing. Perhaps because you feel that this is something you would do that you assume all men would, but thankfully that's not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 07:12 PM
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Is there a reason you feel that you would be violent towards a future partner? Are you someone who is quick to lash out?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 07:10 PM
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Hard to do better than I already am! I treat my girlfriend quite well. It's a shame that you have violent tendencies that you projected onto me (when you suggested that you'd hear about me beating my wife) but thankfully I don't have the violent mindset that you do. Men aren't a monolith. They're not all like you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 07:07 PM
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Uh, I'm sorry when? I mentioned earlier that physical violence has never been my thing, so I thought that made it pretty clear that I don't beat my girlfriend. My comments toward you about your behavior are not in any way abusive toward my girlfriend so thankfully you're wrong on that front :)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 07:03 PM
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What selfish/abusive behavior?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 06:59 PM
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For what?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 06:52 PM
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I'm not married, but I don't think there's anything to pity! We are more than happy together. It's almost sickening how positive we are to one another, it's been great! So you can save your pity for someone else :) I hope you get the help you need for your violence though! I found it's always worth it to be kind.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 06:50 PM
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Oh, well I don't have that same belief system that you do. I'm happily in a relationship and physical violence has never been my thing. But I'm glad that your violent tendencies aren't going to affect women so long as you stay single!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 06:48 PM
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Well I hope you never get into a relationship then. I'd be a shame for you to fuck it all up
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 06:39 PM
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So crime stats make you believe that in 100% of cases where a relationship goes wrong, the man is to blame?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 06:34 PM
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What makes you believe that?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 06:33 PM
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I don't think anyone is saying that. Getting hot does take effort. However, effort doesn't guarantee hotness. Does that make sense? You can put some effort into this or that, but what will be required is an effort in outward appearance in order to be physically more attractive. You say yourself there isn't much difference in your appearance from 10 years ago to now, so naturally there's not gonna be much change in how others perceive you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 06:06 PM
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So then there's your answer
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 03:26 PM
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I don't visit another person's house and move the pictures on the walls around because I don't like how they have them displayed yk. Bad comparison. I'm talking about influencing the social vibe, not rearranging furniture and decorations. No, but I think sometimes they should be less accomodating and more rigid In what way?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 01:31 PM
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I'm proud of my acomplishments, but yes I'm looking at it from result point of view and it's the same. Right. So for those who don't know you, ie women who might be dating prospects, the perception of you has not changed. What do you mean by everything else? 🤔 Same as what you meant when you wrote it in the comment before
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 01:30 PM
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I understand that but I'm saying I think it is more rude to say "your not allowed to come" vs "you can come but I probably won't interact with you much because I'm going to be occupied" Well thank goodness those aren't the only two options! Isn't it nice we live in a world where we don't have to pick between two rude things to say to a partner? He could be a fan of live music but unfamiliar with Taylor Swifts music ...I'm still struggling to imagine a scenario where a man just likes live music i…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 02:53 AM
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You don't have to go? Yes, I'm well aware of that. You'll notice how I specifically said that when I included that I "wouldn't go." You quoted that portion. I'm saying that if you're going to invite your partner, invite them to spend time with you. Invitation under the condition that they won't interact with you is something that I would find strange Because he wanted to listen to taylor swift live? I'm having trouble imagining a scenario where a man would want to listen to taylor swift live, bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 01:51 AM
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What do you think should happen if a person in a relationship wants to do something the other person doesn't like? They should either happily do them, or invite them along without any sort of warning that the partner is going to be ignored. Because the rest of the group does not have much in common with him, he is just there to chaperone them and his girlfriend. Sounds shitty. If it were me I'd either join in the social gathering, or if I truly had nothing in common with them (unusual) I wouldn'…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 11:11 PM
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What a shame
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 11:08 PM
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I get that. It's hard to see fewer rewards from your efforts than you expect, but you should take in to account how you see yourself in this scenario. From what you've written, you should be proud of your accomplishments, but you don't seem it. In a way, you can attribute that to the lack of success change, but it also can show up in how you look at yourself. Your perception of yourself hasn't evolved much, even if your routines have. Because, in reality, everything else makes a huge difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 07:17 PM
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I haven't noticed any improvment over the past 10 years Okay so then I think we're kind of seeing the answer of why you haven't seen much in terms of increased dating success. Aging happens to every man, balding happens to loads. How you carry it can be a major factor in how people perceive you. You and I have a similar face. I've got a big crooked nose, a crooked smile, a goofy chin, receding hairline, one eye higher than the other. However, if you haven't noticed any improvements to yourself, …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 05:24 PM
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It does happen. I've watched it happen. Most men find a sense of humor attractive. The women who find a man's sense of humor attractive is already physically attracted to him, the humor enhances that attraction. Same goes for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 05:14 PM
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Mkay
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 05:12 PM
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I figure replies should at least be relevant to what the previous comment said. If you have your own point to make, go for it, but don't reply to my comment to make it when I'm talking about something else
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 05:06 PM
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It does, and I have seen that scenario a number of times. Again, this conversation isn't about comparing what men want vs what women want so I'm not sure why you're throwing that in the mix.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 05:04 PM
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You said it yourself: I haven't noticed much improvment So are you saying you have noticed improvement over 10 years? How drastic has that improvement been? Also, what is high effort for you? Change-inducing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 05:01 PM
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For most men, women having humor does change attraction We're not comparing what men want vs what women want so I'm not sure why you're throwing that in the mix lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 05:00 PM
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I was just explaining to the perplexed masses ...who? The people who think they want these women presume that it can't be worse than a lifetime of loneliness and lack faith in their ability to attract anyone better. I covered that already by saying that they need to sort out their priorities. What are you even trying to say at this point lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 04:54 PM
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...your point was that men care about humor? Lol okay. I guess pretending that my point was your point works.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 04:52 PM
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Okay so...you're basically saying you've grown a beard and women still aren't interested in you? Seems pretty low effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 04:30 PM
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And that's what I'm here to say for those who don't already know. A woman who is more attracted to a narcissistic person is going to be a poor partner. Hence my original comment: do you want the type of woman who enjoys a narcissist asshole? I'm not sure what you're not understanding here.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 04:28 PM
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No actually you'd be wrong. Yes men care about looks just like women care about looks. Boring asf means exactly what I'm talking about. For men, being funny is going to play a big factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 04:27 PM
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Wdym by how drastic where the changes? I haven't noticed much improvment coz i just didn't look like shit before. I mean when you talk about these changes, and you look at yourself, say, 5 years ago vs now, has there been a major improvement in your eyes?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 04:26 PM
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Then I would say those people need to sort out their priorities. Why have a partner that would be toxic over living a comfortable single life?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 04:24 PM
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Actually, normally, the vast majority of men do care.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 03:19 PM
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He wants a bangmaid, she wants a narcissist. What a horrible couple they'd end up being lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 03:18 PM
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If she's not funny I'd be less into her, so that would be a pretty big change outright. Being funny absolutely affects my attraction to a woman, so no need to attribute what you think to other men
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 03:14 PM
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Personally I'd hate that. Why would I ever want to be with a woman who is into that type of personality? I think it would breed a bit of toxicity in the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 03:13 PM
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An important question to ask yourself if you're a man in this situation: do you want the type of woman who enjoys a narcissist asshole?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 02:43 PM
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Sounds like no marriage I'd want to be a part of personally. That sounds like a really unevenly balance relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 02:22 PM
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I'm not sure, I'd need a lot more specifics. What'd you do for your clothing/style? How is your hairstyle/grooming/skincare routine? What's your gym/diet looking like now in relation to how it was before? How long have these been implemented? How drastic were these changes?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 02:21 PM
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Which tools did you use?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 02:03 PM
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no, women being funny doesnt charm men It works for me just fine. I much prefer a funny woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 02:01 PM
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Yes. I feel like I have a strong sense of humor, and I want a woman who both gets my jokes and can also make me laugh. I met and have dated women who have, in my perspective, kind of a lame/cheesy sense of humor and I don't enjoy it. I'd much rather a woman with sharp wit who can banter with me. I take a more egalitarian approach to relationships. I'm not a provider, and expect a woman to treat me as much as I treat her (financially I can expect some discrepancy, it's more about effort). My curr…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 01:58 PM
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So what you're saying is...that when women choose bad guys, it's not the woman's fault, but the man's fault for lying?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 01:29 PM
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I guess that confirms that it's not just physical looks that are the only metric of attraction
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 01:28 PM
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My point is, how often do women do that? In my observations, frequently enough to say that comparing it to "winning the lottery" is laughable. They want to feel that relationships are a story. They want to feel that it is bigger than something that works. If a relationship is simply utilitarian they won't appreciate it for working well, they want it to validate them as special. ....isn't that everyone? That's what I want my relationship to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 01:26 PM
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It's not "I will not interact with you" it's "I might not interact with you very much". Same answer. I would think that is a weird scenario. Have you ever seen a group of girls go out drinking and one brings their boyfriend along as a designated driver/bodyguard? I would find that exceptionally weird. Why isn't the man being a friend to the rest of the group? Same thing could happen if a dude was having a fantasy football get together or something. He invites his girl even though he knows she do…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 01:25 PM
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Why'd you bring it up if nobody was saying it?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 01:23 PM
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You went from agreeing that men are repulsed and disgusted by women with a sexual past, to "most men don't care about that sort of thing" Lol I'm not sure I ever agreed with the idea that men are repulsed/disgusted by women with a sexual past, so I'm not sure where you got that part. Would you mind sharing the comment that gave you that idea? Borderline impossible You haven't met me yet :) I'd say it's more impossible that a guy she's met before is better than me at all. Being someone's protecto…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 01:22 PM
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Throwing your hands up in the air saying all men are terrible and there's nothing you can do will never help you. Weird to say that when I can easily quote you
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 08:07 PM
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Yes, I do. If I'm inviting someone somewhere, or someone invites me somewhere, I would find it strange if the add-on to the invitation was "by the way I'm not going to interact with you while we're there"
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 08:06 PM
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I was responding to your comment saying that in order for women to avoid bad men they have to look for whether or not they take responsibilities seriously, have good hygiene, and treat women well. I'm countering that by saying that loads of bad men will take responsibilities seriously, have great hygiene, and will treat women well at the start. You made your comment in response to a woman that said, quote: It sounds like you are essentially blaming women for the existence of bad men. Nope. I don…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 06:57 PM
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In what way?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 06:28 PM
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Would you go?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 06:27 PM
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Throwing your hands up in the air saying all men are terrible and there's nothing you can do will never help you. Great. Nobody in this thread was doing that. Why do people add non-sequiturs into threads like this all the time lol
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 06:07 PM
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The men who are cheaters and liars are the ones who don't want long term relationships, it's their choice that the relationship is very short lived. You'd be surprised. These men who lie and cheat are often surprised/disppointed that a woman they like is rejecting them for their behavior. I see it happen constantly.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 06:06 PM
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Do they take their responsibilities seriously. What is their character. What is their hygiene. I know several shitty men who take responsibilities seriously, have great hygeine, and will treat women well at the start. Villains aren't always going to be mustache twirling snidley whiplashes.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 05:17 PM
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ts usually more from dont get desperate and settle for crazy Right, so why would men want to be bad in hopes of settling for some lunatic who wants bad men?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 04:57 PM
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I guess my question is, why would a man want to be bad in order to appease some woman? Is that enjoyable to these men, to be bad? WHy please the whims of some stranger who may or may not sleep with you at the cost of creating a shitty environment to be in?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 04:57 PM
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That men should reject consent? No it's a very bad way to phrase it
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 04:55 PM
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But the chances of winning the lottery are significantly smaller than meeting an attractive man who will be loyal to you, so that's a bad comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 03:33 PM
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What are the chances that she just so happens to meet a loyal Chad and he picks her out of all of his options? Not zero. Who's to say he's in the midst of women at any point in time? Who's to say he's not taking a break from dating? You make it seem like any man who is attractive just has all these options at the ready and is being slammed with texts asking him for a shot.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 02:22 PM
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A horrible, horrible, horrible way to phrase it. Men shouldn't reject consent at all. You can easily be more forward about what you desire without violating a woman's consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 02:10 PM
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I agree! I'm here as a counter to the whole "women are lying" rhetoric.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 02:09 PM
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When was the last time you were too intimidated by a woman's body to approach DISCLAIMER: not all women/men Not all women/men what?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 02:06 PM
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In my experience a strong portion are. These men could maybe stand to get more of a broad opinion than just a handful of women
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 02:03 PM
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For me most women are invisible, so that's not exactly a surprising or unexpected thing. A man can kill ceo...as long as he is attractive plenty women dont hate him Luigi did nothing wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 01:59 PM
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I've met loads of women who aren't shy about details of what they like in a man, so thankfully there are plenty of honest ones out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 01:57 PM
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(this is where shit goes wrong) instead of prioritizing loyalty over looks for her next attempt at dating, she tries to find someone who is both a Chad and loyal, not realizing that loyal Chads are likely to already be off the market. The thing is though, relationships don't always work out. Sometimes the woman isn't loyal and Chad finds himself single again. Sometimes Chad moves to a new city looking for a fresh start. Sometimes Chad and his current partner figure out they just mesh better as f…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 01:56 PM
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If she invited you out with her friends, and told you up front that she's not going to talk or interact with you, how would you take it?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 01:26 PM
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Are you saying that most men in relationships aren't aware of the fact that their gf's had ons with guys who were better than them in every single way? I'd say that most men in relationships don't care about that sort of thing. I'm in a relationship now. Has she ever had a ONS with a guy that was better than me in every single way? 1) I have no idea, I don't care enough to ask about her sexual past 2) Probably not, since I'm pretty great Are you saying that most men in relationships aren't aware…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 01:24 PM
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Not from what I've seen, thankfully! Boundaries have been seen as perfectly acceptable, and calling women out on bad behavior is something that people should do. The women in my life are quick to do that as well when they see a woman doing something shitty. Being a TRUE misogynist would mean they hate ALL women No true scotsman fallacy. With that I can make the argument that slaveowners had slaves that they liked better, ergo no slaveowners were actually racist because being a TRUE racist means …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 01:21 PM
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There are things that these men can do to improve their odds. In 100% of men I've met (or spoken to extensively) I've been able to find specific things they can adjust to be more appealing. The thing that these abusive men tend to have is charm and looks (not strictly genetic either). They know how to look good, and they know what to say to appeal to a woman's interest. I'd be willing to bet any lonely man who complains about this, give them a couple days with me and I'd be able to sort them out…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 06:06 PM
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Well why are you being intentionally hyperbolic? It goes against your goals it seems of being taken seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 03:40 PM
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You've tried not being hyperbolic and people will think that your question is literal? That's...a good thing
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 03:08 PM
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Does someone have to spell it out to you when they're being hyperbolic?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 03:04 PM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 03:03 PM
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It's probably a lot easier to spell it out by actually saying what you mean instead of being hyperbolic in your question
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 03:03 PM
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Yes. I've seen women who don't know these guys well entertain the prospect of a relationship, and when his misogynist behaviors come out the women cut and run. Pretty simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 03:01 PM
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Women as a whole don't do anything. The vast majority of women I've met, though, reject misogynist men quickly and easily. I've known men who are cheaters, liars, and any relationship they have with a woman is very short lived. Most of those men will, in time, complain about how women don't give them enough attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 01:30 PM
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Exactly...disgusted and repulsed Seems like a pretty bad trade off. Not much of a "badge of honor" is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 01:27 PM
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Why ask a question "Where have all the men gone" with a disclaimer "not all men"? If you know that it's not all men, why write it in your question?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 01:24 PM
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Would you tell her outright that you won't interact with her much if she does?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 01:04 PM
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A person can change themselves, that's for certain. I've learned to be more interesting in my recent years, in part order to gain more appeal from women
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 09:13 PM
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Would you invite her, or just have your night without her if it were up to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 08:07 PM
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Yes your persona made this comment seem genuine
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 06:48 PM
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Being rejected on it’s own is not bad what’s horrific is the humiliation from women who find the idea of a man she doesn’t find that attractive repulsive so she goes out of her way to publicly humiliate him as a way to show the other men around her that she isn’t one to be easily attainable I guess maybe I'm in my 30s but I don't think I've ever seen this outside of elementary schools. Women who would act like this would just get laughed at by me. What are they trying to prove? Who cares? Anothe…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 06:29 PM
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Seems...illogical. Any number can "feel" right if you trick your brain into thinking so. The math is questionable at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 06:04 PM
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Why 10%? Why not 15%? More sketchy incidents, why not 30%? What calculations are you using to get to these figures?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 05:52 PM
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At some point the lines blur. How much of it is a joke, and how much is you being serious?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 05:50 PM
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THREE WHOLE WOMEN?!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 05:48 PM
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except men know better but still have to tolerate it because if it doesn't work out with the one girl, he'll have literally no options Why tolerate it? It's much better, IMO, to be single instead of putting up with bad behavior. No options, so what? Less time dedicated to serving a badly-behaved partner means I have more time for my friends, my hobbies, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 05:39 PM
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Oh. Well the sub is a bunch of redditors, many of whom speak pretty bluntly about topics. It's not really that crucial of a stat unless this is your only way of communication with women. I'd be wary you're not seeing one woman's comment, seeing another woman say the opposite, and confuse that for doublespeak. I mean obviously that's not, but it can be easy to fall in that pit.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 05:37 PM
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Being impressed with physique != desire to date I'd react similarly when seeing a specimen like that. Doesn't mean I'm trying to date him.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 05:27 PM
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In my interactions with women in my life. The ones I've grown close with have been pretty direct with me, and consistent in their words and actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 05:26 PM
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Oh that's been proven right for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 05:20 PM
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can you pull an actual quote?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 05:19 PM
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I've been based in Chicago, Atlanta, and Cincinnati, and have done significant traveling in Austin, Vegas, Toronto, and New York. Never seen a club discriminate based on appearance.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 05:17 PM
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Doesn't have to be. I'm friends with a married woman whose husband travels a lot, and she'll go out dancing with us when we do. She dances with us, not random men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 05:15 PM
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Everything's always about you, huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 05:14 PM
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Okay, well I'm happy to open it back up. Can you show me the comments that are advocating for women to verbally abuse men? Don't cop out with a "just look around" or "all of them are," can you pull an actual quote?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 05:11 PM
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I don't know why you're so bent up about me not knowing your exact expectations for your job. I don't know what TFBs Vaf is, so don't act it's some universal standard I'm supposed to already know. Yes, I work in tech sales. I often visit customers on site to talk in detail about our products and to see their application in person. I just told you I was at a show where I met people on the floor. You're an angry little elf, huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 05:08 PM
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I don't know why you're so bent up about me not knowing your exact expectations for your job. I don't know what TFBs Vaf is, so don't act it's some universal standard I'm supposed to already know. Yes, I work in tech sales. I often visit customers on site to talk in detail about our products and to see their application in person. I just told you I was at a show where I met people on the floor. You're an angry little elf, huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 05:07 PM
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Why? Have you factored in her past behavior? Have you factored in her loyalty to her current relationship? Have you factored in her feelings in that moment towards a person messaging her on social media?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 05:05 PM
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Why? Have you factored in her past behavior? Have you factored in her loyalty to her current relationship? Have you factored in her feelings in that moment towards a person messaging her on social media?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 05:04 PM
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People are inherently interesting. Many are not. Many are fickle idiots who just aren't that appealing by nature. I also don't think that being well-rounded is worth aspiring to, morally or practically. Why is aspiring to be well-rounded immoral? I agree you don't need to be fun, but being fun is something that has more likelihood of appeal to people you're wanting to be closer with.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 03:57 PM
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Okay, easy tiger, you work in sales...sounds more like you work in customer service, which is bound to have some irate interactions here and there. Are you working at at T-Mobile store doing customer care? I was waiting for him to hit so I can fight his dumbass Sounds like you've got some pent up aggression of your own. I work in tech sales myself. Last week I was working a trade show where I met dozens of people each day, none of whom I needed to get aggressive with. I don't know why you just a…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 03:54 PM
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Define "suddenly." The girl I'm with currently, for example, has had her own activities since the start. She's currently flown off to Atlanta for a trip part for work part with friends. Should I spend my time worrying, or should I just live my own life where I can do what I please while she's away? My vote is on the latter but I'm happy to hear your input. I don't typically date girls who are club people tbh. I don't know why that's always the stereotype brought up here. It's not like that's the…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 03:28 PM
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You meet 50 people per day or interact with them? If you buy something at a register, do you consider that meeting the cashier? I'm interacting with people fairly regularly as well. Outside. That's why I said I have a pretty active social life. I'm out of the house constantly socializing. I've met angry people here and there, but it's pretty easy to avoid getting into a fight with them. If they're angry, I'm not interested in interacting with them further. The last time you got in a fight, what …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 03:25 PM
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I guess I just don't see the point in being in a relationship if I'm going to question every time she's out of my sight. I think it's far more worth it to just be single than to worry about every evening she's out with the girls or staying at home while I'm out with the guys. I guess, to that, a followup: when you're on these weekends of gaming with friends, are you ever worried about leaving her at home and whether or not she's cheating? If so, why leave to be with your friends at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 02:46 PM
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Neat. I'm glad you abandoned your earlier claim at least lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 02:34 PM
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...it sounds like you, yourself, are a liar and will hide things from a partner, and just expect other people, in turn, to also hide things.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 02:33 PM
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Everyone here is. Nobody here is. Feel free to quote a comment that is saying that, but I haven't seen one. Most people are just talking about someone who is reactionary to the point of violence, which is a bad thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 02:11 PM
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Okay so, you've got your gaming binge weekends. Would you find it reasonable if your girlfriend was suspicious of you in that time, or would you want her to accept that sometimes you just want to spend a weekend with the fellas?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 02:09 PM
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You said the men are cheating on their wives, but the women they're cheating with might be single.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 02:08 PM
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My question; if one can have perfectly good to mind blowing sex with a complete or near stranger, can that sex be ‘good to mind blowing’? If so; how? Yup. Sometimes the chemistry just clicks in that way with a stranger. Don't get me wrong, a lot of my best sex comes with someone I know well, but I've also had very good to mind blowing sex with strangers just because the moods clicked just right. Sure, we may not have the depth, but the chemistry and fun can still make it a very enjoyable experie…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 02:06 PM
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Sure, and also unicorns are very real. I'm pretty good friends with a few unicorns. I guess they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 02:00 PM
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If you were in a relationship, would there ever be a time that you want to hang out with some of your old high school pals without her?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 01:59 PM
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So...it seems you see this behavior happen with men, but not women?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 01:58 PM
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Thankfully not
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 01:57 PM
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Nobody is doing that lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 01:54 PM
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Maybe you need to word your opening paragraphs better.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 01:52 PM
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But what are you wanting to debate? It's as if you started to debate "guns are harmful" Well yes, obviously. We know this. What's your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 01:52 PM
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I'm a pretty socially active person, talk to strangers and have a pretty large network of friends. We get in arguments here and there. Not once in my adult life have I even come close to getting in a fight. Either you're encountering a bunch of crybaby men who can't control their emotions, or you're one of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 01:50 PM
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Damn...you're around some pretty sensitive friends then. They need to be able to control their emotions. My male friends are, thankfully, much more mature.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 01:48 PM
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Or you could just be yourself. If yourself, as you are, is a bitter, jaded, boring person, then I'd def recommend changes to becoming more interesting, fun, and well rounded.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 01:44 PM
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Huh. It did for me. I've always been a pretty nice, soft spoken man. Attending therapy helped me get a lot more comfortable in my skin and process my emotions, and I've been very open about my growth journey. I've found that since then, in my dating life, women have been smitten over this quality about me. The current woman I'm with tells me she is obsessed with hanging out with me because of my positive energy and comfort in my own skin.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 01:44 PM
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What is the part that I am missing? What if you cultivate relationships, and get nothing from them? Then I stop cultivating and move on. Pretty simple. I've been there before, worked towards a friendship/relationship, realized I was putting in more work than they were, so I scrapped it and moved on to meet better people. I have no problem cutting my losses and building anew with someone who treats me better. Failure happens. It's part of life. Sometimes two people just don't get along in the way…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 01:40 PM
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You think a man being able to date multiple women at once is excessive women's rights?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 08:54 PM
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As someone who actually lives in the US, I 100% agree with the other user. The vast majority of successful relationships I see are with normal working men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 08:53 PM
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What if I meet a woman later in life, who didn't know me when she was in her "prime"?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 08:49 PM
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These are pretty antiquated standards. Thankfully it seems that a lot of women I meet these days don't adhere to that sort of practice in modern dating. I've met several women who have initiated, planned, and even paid for dates, and it's not just with me. If men are picking the date location and traveling more...isn't that sort of up to them? Why aren't these men picking something more equidistant? That's what I do when I plan dates... I’m gonna be honest most women refuse to do the bare minimu…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 08:47 PM
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According to OP, the situation I'm in is the exact opposite of what he says will happen, which is the part I'm disagreeing with from the start. If it doesn't provide me any advantage or enjoyment, then they wouldn't be my besties, would they? You're basically suggesting what if they said they were my best friends but didn't act like it. In that case I don't see why I'd get aggressive with them or their friends. We probably wouldn't be hanging out that much anyway. In that case, it seems a waste …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 06:23 PM
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All of those don't seem like platonic gestures. I'm friends with touchy feely women and those gestures would be over the line even for them. This is def more than friendly What makes you think she's not into you?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 02:24 PM
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Thanks! I am :)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 02:06 PM
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I'm glad I'm not one of them, thankfully! I find it much more fulfilling being in more long term relationships anyway, so I'm glad I've known several women who aren't so leechy I would say it's definitively pretty cool.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 01:58 PM
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There's still the rest of the post to consider, which is saying that having this "bestie" title for a number of women is a bad thing, so no we're not saying exactly the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 01:55 PM
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Dang I've found a couple ones in millions in my life. Pretty cool
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 01:48 PM
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"men should just learn to be comfortable with making women uncomfortable."
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 01:44 PM
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The question is why should women be interested? What's in this for them, what are you offering? Good sex and a fun evening.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 01:40 PM
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When I say "more" I mean relative to the normal. For example, if applied to me, I know already that my behavior is going to alienate people. That's pretty much going to be the case no matter what I do. Hell, I'd probably alienate you IRL because I get labeled more "feminine" in how I act. But, that's who I am. I'm okay with it, because plenty of people still love me for me. If I were to follow the advice, it suggests that being "besties" with women is a bad thing, and I should be more aggressive…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 01:37 PM
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Cool, I don't know why you hit the commenter you replied to then with gripes about generalizations in other comments as if it was refuting their point. It wasn't, and it seems like negative comment hunting. I don't pay much mind to people (like you) who use generalizations as an argumentative point, because it's useless conjecture.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 05:06 PM
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In the comment that you replied to (this thread), there was no generalization. You were the one to first bring it up in this thread. It was a non-sequitur to the discussion
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 04:54 PM
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It was a non-sequitur then. Nobody was generalizing in the thread, you came in with a hostile misunderstanding from the jump. Are you just trolling for negative responses or what?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 04:31 PM
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The comment you replied to said "each woman is personally responsible" to communicate, considering the more varied needs of the individual woman. If she does, and the man doesn't listen, then that man is responsible. It's not hard
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 04:15 PM
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The word I was talking about was "hot," in the context of your reply. When you used the word "hot" in that context, did you not mean physical attractiveness? I understand you have a lot of other points you've brought up. I'm addressing the specific comment you made.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 04:04 PM
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I guess I don't understand why you'd use a word that, clearly, common lexicon has it relating to physical attractiveness. You say "they're not hot" but you're kind of backtracking to say something akin to "but I mean hot like his mind is hot" about a normal looking dude. But also, it seems you're agreeing with the other user (or at least not refuting) that these unsuccessful men are misogynist. Doesn't that sort of answer the question?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 03:27 PM
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It's not hard to re-read things.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 02:56 PM
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you're not really at all about what the OP was talking about, are you? Yes, I am. I have the "bestie" label, and I'm still introduced as an option to other women. I'm seen as "feminine," but I am shown that I have a chance with other women still. The reason you think I'm not is because the end result doesn't match the narrative that OP is trying to push. I'm established as a sexual being, while being a feminine oofy-doofy bestie to these women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 02:55 PM
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Well you kind of did, but ok
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 02:53 PM
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Called it. Well, no you didn't. You just asked. Is it? Yes. I quoted the parts that illustrate this. I don't see a lot of use in alienating people on purpose is the thing. For example, I know that I'm not everyone's favorite, and some people might be put off by my personality. That's fine, that's the nature of human response. But why would the solution to that be to be more aggressive and alienate more people? It's counter-intuitive.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 02:52 PM
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I just don't know a lot of exceptionally funny jokes about Italians not being white. There's also not much in the shows I've participated in that's all about straight white men. That's a tired trope. I'm aware of what "safe edgy" is though. The cards against humanity humor is not my style.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 02:50 PM
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Well luckily personality can be adjusted.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 02:48 PM
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Hard to say, since it's not like I was pursuing her for long without response. We both were into each other pretty quickly. My previous serious gf I broke up with her about 2.5 years ago, and in that time I had a few different flings with different women. My current gf and I met in March, started more seriously dating in May. Yes, my name is literally "grandpa." Did you know that on reddit you can make whatever username you want? It doesn't have to be legally binding. I'm 35 and with no kids. I'…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 02:46 PM
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...what jokes would those be?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 02:41 PM
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So...it's about personality?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 02:40 PM
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So the problem with incels and others is not being misogynists and such, but that they are unattractive and therefore do not compensate for their shittiness? Then their main problem is not being misogynists, but that they are not hot Twice you did in response to her quote which said absolutely nothing about physical attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 02:36 PM
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It's nice out here.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 02:30 PM
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You misinterpreted the quote and made it about physical attractiveness, when she said nothing of the sort. So I'm not surprised she was short with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 02:23 PM
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I live in a major US city, and I'm white. I'm 100% in agreement that other men will have different experiences, and that's exactly the point that I'm making. OP's post said, quote: There is nothing wrong with being liked by women platonically, but once you get the "bestie" label it will stick and women will never introduce you to their friends as an option...You are seen as a safe guy for all the wrong reasons. It basically denotes "guy who'd never dare to think he has a chance with us" This pos…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 02:20 PM
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Yeah, you're off. Nobody thinks of me as asexual, that's for sure. I still date, no issue there. But if women want to have me as the "safe bestie," that's all right by me. I've got a girlfriend now, so I don't need anyone else to think of me as anything more than a friend. As the other user said, I get friends, girls, and I get to be my most authentic self. Pretty nice life!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 02:15 PM
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Even if you were right...why would I care? So what? We're friends. I'm not trying to sleep with them. I have other women I'm sleeping with instead. When I was single, they'd wing me at the bars for other women who I'd sleep with. One of them, actually, we did hook up for a while and I cut it off because it was making the friendship too complex, so I'm pretty sure she knows firsthand that I'm not gay. I'm not sure what you think is happening but I'm guessing you're way off lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 02:14 PM
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Of course. All I'm saying is the second path (the one OP is saying leads to being "safe for all the wrong reasons") doesn't have to pan out that way
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 02:08 PM
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Correct. I'm not the gay bestie, because I'm straight. They have each other to talk about makeup/shoes. They come to me when they want to hit up the bar or see a movie or get ice cream.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 03:39 AM
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Guess more men should adopt my principles then. Why get laid with shitty women if it perpetuates a shitty dating market? I stopped doing that looooooong ago and it's worked out great. I see shit tests as nothing and dedicate my time connecting with real women instead of headgame artists. Everyone talks like they're meeting the most immature women possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 03:38 AM
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Okay, so people have two different experiences. So it's silly to say something like "women will never introduce you to their friends as an option," because obviously, it's not never. I've also found it pretty easy to flirt without making a woman uncomfortable. Of course I care if I make a woman uncomfortable. I will notice and adjust my behavior or directly apologize if needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 03:37 AM
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I mean I've experienced many interactions with women who truly desire me, so it seems to work great.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 03:34 AM
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A lot of people also aren't. I'm in a leftist community theater, and you wouldn't believe how edgy it gets. It's very different in that the jokes are from a place of love, rather than punching down as a lot of older humor did.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 03:34 AM
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Yes, it is healthy networking. I think it's fair to say they need to push it in a way that makes them uncomfortable, but I just don't get why you'd want to create an environment where people aren't enjoying themselves?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 03:32 AM
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I have always lived by that and it works great for me. Why would I care about someone who says no but doesn’t mean it? It’s a terrible waste of my brain space. She says no, boundary is set, I keep my distance Oh she didn’t mean no? Okay great I’m already distanced, so no change in behavior needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 11:08 AM
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Well thankfully nobody in this thread is telling anyone that. If that quote is something you’ve heard in your life don’t attribute it to this conversation, because that’s just muddying up the point. I do get above the shitty games by taking things at face value. People do still get offended. It happens, but some people are just crazy, u don’t pay it much mind because I still know that I’m respecting the rules that were laid out to me. I’ve never played the games. Never cared to. If a woman tells…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 10:55 AM
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What I’m saying is it doesn’t “just happen.” It happened because the man pushed further and she was playing some game with him. That to me is two toxic people who deserve each other. For me, a woman who sets a boundary will be met with respect for that boundary. If she was playing a shit test and now wants to make out, all I’m gonna think is she’s either A) a liar B) a cheater And I’ve lost all interest. She’s not getting a piece of me, I’ve already moved on
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 10:47 AM
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If she says “I have a boyfriend” to me there’s zero chance she’s making out with me later that night, so no things like that don’t just “happen” unless you let them. I take things at face value. If it turns out she’s playing a game that’s her problem and I want little to do with it. I always take no as a no and that’s served me extremely well.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 10:41 AM
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This hasn’t been my experience at all I have a few women in my life who were “besties” for me and each of them have been wingwomen for me on different occasions. Even if they didn’t, my friendship with others is not based on whether or not they’ll introduce me to their friends. I’m also a man who has been described as “feminine.” I own it. It’s fine. Is it everyone’s cup of tea? Nope, but it’s the cup of tea for some and that’s fine by me. I like being he safe guy. I don’t need to be Dan Dangero…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 10:36 AM
5

Exactly. That's what you're missing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 06:47 PM
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Likely because you have no idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 06:39 PM
1

What I'm looking for is what specifically in the conversation, aside from someone saying directly "I paid for sex before," tells you that someone has paid for sex before.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 06:34 PM
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A lot of men, I've seen at least, who complain about not having relationships will also say they don't have many close friends. That, inherently, is an issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 05:09 PM
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I don't follow. So if a man speaks well about his sisters/mother, he's never visited a prostitute? Or how does that work out?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 04:59 PM
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Like what sort of conversation? "Have you ever been with a sex worker"?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 06:20 PM
1

Okay what other ways do you use?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 06:10 PM
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likely So, not a very good barometer. I know several men with relationship histories who have paid for sex. Sometimes men will pay for sex for a fun night out. I don't think that's a great way to determine.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 03:09 PM
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I mean the part about assuming whether someone has partaken in sex work Don't mask the specific thing you said with the broader generalization. It's tacky.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 08:23 PM
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This is some pretty loose logic
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 07:22 PM
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Every promiscuous woman I've been in a relationship with included a pretty active sex life
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 07:21 PM
2

Yes. Good boy for summarizing what we all read. And?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 07:20 PM
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Okay then it looks like the other user's point is pretty valid then
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 07:15 PM
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Are you a misogynist? Same rules apply.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 03:41 PM
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all men are liars
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 03:25 PM
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Seems kind of silly on your part to think that, if I'm being honest. Not to victim blame, but you're admitting here that you just chose to believe this without someone telling you.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 03:17 PM
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Weird I have made this comment a lot and you're the first man who hasn't pushed back
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 01:53 PM
1

But will he be content with a 4? a 2? If not, he should preface all his comments about what he's looking for in a woman with "she must be attractive"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 01:46 PM
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If you can easily switch who has power over you, then you're not at the mercy of your employer.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 10:33 PM
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So should men, to be fair. Any time a man expresses an opinion about women they want, they should always preface with "from women I'm attracted to"
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 10:32 PM
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Yes, really.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 03:54 PM
3

Yeah that's why I prefer Hinge in OLD
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 01:22 PM
2

The downside is that I don't want to waste my time sleeping with/spending time with someone whose company I don't enjoy. When I was younger, I was less averse to the risk, but I've learned that it's not worth my time anymore. I'd much rather get to know them in a basic social setting first, especially if I'm going to consider long term. You don't have to have those standards, and that's fine, but it's one that's more for casual flings in the long run.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 10:45 PM
2

Have you gotten some?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 09:55 PM
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I mean that's not really a good qualifier. But a lot of people I know are in relationships that I consider good, which would be ones where the couple are supporting each other, there isn't an uneven distribution of expectation, and have healthy communication.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 09:55 PM
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When men say they like nerdy women, what they mean is they like attractive not fat nerdy women So, then men must preface their comment "I like nerdy women" with that the woman must be attractive. They're not interested in unattractive women, so they should declare it as such, just like women should.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 08:28 PM
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I also have not waited before. I've given up casual sex for far less. But for a long term relationship/dating, I am interested in getting to know the person first before going to bed with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 08:08 PM
4

Maybe it's not
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 07:52 PM
4

I am tall yes. I think I look decent, but not above average.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 07:47 PM
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I'd rather get to know the person I'm hooking up with first to even know if I'll like them. If I want to go long term, I'm even more inclined to want a date first.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 07:45 PM
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I've had that question asked of me, and I have responded with "something casual." We met up at a bar, had one drink, then went back and boned. I was honest, it paid off.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 07:42 PM
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Depends on who you ask. Attraction is relative.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 07:38 PM
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Weird. I've been nothing but friendly to all my partners and they've treated me romantically
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 07:32 PM
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They don't force you to base everything on looks, thankfully
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 07:31 PM
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When men say they like nerdy women, what they mean is they like attractive not fat nerdy women So, then men must preface their comment "I like nerdy women" with that the woman must be attractive. They're not interested in unattractive women, so they should declare it as such, just like women should.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 06:29 PM
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No, it's not true, because the men still want a partner that they find attractive. Therefore, they must preface their statement that the woman has to be attractive. Are you suggesting that men would be idealizing a relationship with an unattractive woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 06:01 PM
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Most men go for women who are attractive period. Exactly. So men should qualify their statements with "a woman must be attractive and..."
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 05:07 PM
2

Yes. And?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 04:41 PM
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...men ask for advice constantly lol
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 04:41 PM
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It's about who men are wanting to date. Most men go for women who are more attractive than less
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 04:40 PM
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It's certainly true about most men
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 04:27 PM
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Why don't you think it's fair? You seem to think women should do this.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 04:06 PM
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Should men, in turn, start qualifying all of their statements about women they like with "also they have to be hot"?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 03:56 PM
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It's not that controversial of a statement to expect people to like attractive people. I don't know why people think it is. Nerdy is a personality type. Most people, at least most women, are going to be driven by personality (as well as looks) when it comes to maintaining a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 03:51 PM
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Wow! That's interesting! So I suppose there are a lot of different types of couples that exist in the world. Some where the men are chad, some where the men are average. That's how the anecdote game works :)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 03:38 PM
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How so? If a woman likes nerdy guys, she likes nerdy guys. That doesn't mean she has to like every single nerd that comes her way
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 03:36 PM
2

Crazy how those aren't the guys I usually see in good relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 03:18 PM
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Good actionable advice is almost never going to come from someone who doesn't know you intimately well. If you want actionable advice from reddit, you're going to really have to put your raw issues out in the open.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 03:16 PM
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Here's some honest, actionable advice: fix y’all beards, dress better, shower and work out.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 03:15 PM
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Getting a passport and travelling overseas is not going to be a feasible option for a lot of men. Improving their normal appearance is objectively good advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 03:14 PM
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Neat!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 01:46 PM
2

You've never seen the gaslighting?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 01:55 AM
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I've experienced that the people I enjoy spending time with the most, and especially the women who I've enjoyed dating the most, have all historically been charming and charismatic.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 09:44 PM
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Not from what I've experienced.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 09:17 PM
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Because I enjoy spending time with a person who is fun to talk with over a person who is a bit more wooden in conversation
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 09:06 PM
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I expect women I date to be socially savvy, charming/charismatic, and take the lead from time to time. Is that also shallow?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 08:45 PM
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Think about it a bit. Really analyze the relationship and ask why she did
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 11:40 AM
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Why did she?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 12:31 AM
2

So? Rhetorical says she can still get Chad. Why would she settle for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 12:20 AM
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Disagree. I have high standards and I like that. I’m not going to make it work with someone just because they’re agreeable. If they’re unattractive and benevolent, I’m not interested because they’re not attractive. I prefer to have longer stretches where I’m single and searching for someone who fits my standards than settle
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 08:01 PM
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Why is your gf with you if you’re ugly and short?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 01:20 PM
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That’s simply because you have great taste
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 01:38 AM
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That’s a shame. I’m glad the real world operates differently
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 01:37 AM
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Cool! Once I saw a black bear in my neighborhood. Looks like we both saw some pretty rare moments.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 07:41 PM
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Crazy that when you look into a lot of these dead bedroom stories (such as his, for example) you’ll see a lot of root causes that are changeable behaviors (mood, attitude, lack of communication). It’s not like dead bedrooms just “happen”
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 06:54 PM
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I love how you add your own details like “dead bedroom” to justify your reasoning. It’s like you’re getting mad at your own imagination
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 06:51 PM
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Let go of the fantasy dude
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 04:36 PM
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If a man is waiting instead of going for other options that's his problem. It's not common for women to think of men in this way, because a normal man woudn't do that
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 04:06 PM
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No, it's not
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 03:55 PM
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Stop looking at tits in conversation my guy
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 03:54 PM
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Seems like a pretty happy story
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 03:52 PM
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This is not "very common."
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 03:51 PM
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In what world does this happen? If a woman rejects me early on, I move on and go after other women instead. I'm not gonna go around following her as she dates other men
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 03:51 PM
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Glad you've come around
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 03:49 PM
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Sure you can. It’s just weird to put that criticism onto all women when only a few do that
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 03:32 PM
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No I don’t. I agree that it’s impossible to offer discretely individual advice, but I don’t think the alternative is inventing generalizations. Instead, acknowledging the need for individual advice, while not immediately helpful, is at least more accurate. I don’t find the generalizations to be true, in my experience. I see exceptions to the rule so often that I find it pretty silly to consider it a rule at all
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 02:47 PM
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I don’t have all the information to give you a confident answer, unfortunately.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 09:19 PM
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lol okay Maybe because you were hostile and I wasn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 09:19 PM
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Okay then there you go!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 07:07 PM
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Personally I think it's very reductive to women as a whole. A lot of RP advice is rooted in these ideas that "women do xyz," and those "xyz's" are rarely complimentary, but rather insulting. It implies a universal appeal that women have, as if they've all come together and agreed on things that they like and things they don't. There seems to be a major crossover of people who subscribe to the red pill and those who are more outwardly misogynistic. With how many men who identify with TRP also ide…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 05:57 PM
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Of course I don't. I'm just saying that speaking to a man, and saying something like "well you're the gender who sexually assaults others" is an ugly way of thinking about people, and a disingenuous way of forming a cohesive argument
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 04:50 PM
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Damn, RP men seem to never be able to say their thoughts directly. They love to play little word games instead, make you guess what they mean instead of just speaking their minds like an adult. I find it kind of an unproductive and immature way to go about conversation, so you can have fun with the last word
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 04:34 PM
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If you're trying to explain where there is an oxymoron in the question, I'm not sure why you're bringing in a completely different topic (the interest level of the woman). Could you try and just state directly where the oxymoron is?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 04:30 PM
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The question isn't about what women are interested in, this is the part that you're not getting. The question is how one would act depending on one's interest level. Does one, the man, act differently if one is picking up a woman to just have sex with vs if one is picking up a woman to try and date long term?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 04:25 PM
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Look, if you can actually explain where you think the oxymoron is, then I'm happy to hear you out.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 04:15 PM
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I love when people don't actually know what they're trying to say, and go with "keep thinking about it" like it makes them seem so smart. I see this sort of thing with flat earthers as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 04:12 PM
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And that's the context you ignored.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 04:11 PM
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I think the reason you're downvoted is that people find that sort of attitude towards dating as unsavory, even though you personally see nothing wrong with it. Women who act that way are shitty, and if you're saying that you would act that way as a woman then you'd also be shitty.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 03:39 PM
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It's ugly, but there's a little grain of truth in that. What a gross way to think about people. I'm sorry you feel that way. Personally, I don't attribute the actions of a few to the rest of the group
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 03:36 PM
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I view casual sex
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 03:33 PM
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I have, don't you worry. The question is about how you, a man, would act depending on how you, the man, feels about the woman you're talking to, not how the woman feels about you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 03:33 PM
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Classic Igor ignoring the rest of the context.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 02:55 PM
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I haven't.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 02:53 PM
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Ya'll are the gender cruising around at 25yo in the passenger seats of a wrinkly-ass 60 year old brain surgeon's sports car. I mean that's a pretty hefty minority of women who are looking for that kind of thing. You're gonna attribute that to an entire gender? Should we attribute sex offenders to all men, because they're the gender doing that?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 02:52 PM
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There's no oxymoron. The question is about how you feel towards the woman. I agree, I think you're misunderstanding the question
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 02:49 PM
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I don't really have lines. The conversation changes depending on the woman I'm speaking with. I go contextually rather than having a preplanned script. To answer your question though, not exactly. To win over someone to date I'm a lot sweeter I think. I will put the vibe out there that I'm looking to hang out beyond sex. If I'm just trying to get laid, I'll probably be a lot more nonchalant.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 02:47 PM
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big time
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 02:34 PM
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lol quitter talk
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 02:28 PM
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There isn’t an answer. You’re laying out a question that has nothing to do with what people are saying
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 01:18 PM
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Damn the more you describe yourself the more I understand why women don’t like you
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 01:17 PM
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This is some daddy shit. First 5 seconds? No way. If what you’re saying is true, then most of the women I’ve been with have been no’s or maybes that have turned into yesses
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 01:14 PM
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lol of course it does
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 01:13 PM
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Not in my experience
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 12:55 PM
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I'm very happy I haven't dated women like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 11:08 PM
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As a man with emotional intelligence, good. Happy to date a woman who is at my level in emotional intelligence.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 11:07 PM
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Damn I've thankfully never had that experience. Maybe you're always dating materialistic women
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 11:05 PM
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It's a good thing the world doesn't work like that where I am, in normalville
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 11:03 PM
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When you introduce yourself to people, do you always start with your flaws?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 11:01 PM
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You think behaving with decency gets you hammered down?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 09:22 PM
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Okay, so then when you see women act this way, you don't think they're doing anything wrong since their behavior is justified? I don't share that sentiment. I put higher expectations on people
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 08:13 PM
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Perhaps you're just the extreme outlier
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 08:12 PM
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Again, I'm asking about your wants, not what other people are doing. Do you feel it's justifiable to act in that way just because you personally benefit from it? I'm asking the same critical questions I'd ask to any woman who might think this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 07:47 PM
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You find that to be a natural/justifiable reason to act in this way?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 07:42 PM
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I'm asking why you want to, not if you believe women are doing it I certainly blame women around me for things they do wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 07:34 PM
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In what sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 07:33 PM
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It's not. This top comment is so frequent and agreed upon by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 05:26 PM
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As a calm, outdoorsy, kind-looking, tall, alternative, nerdy, oofy-doofy type, I've never had much of an issue. I'm a pretty far diversion from the alpha mold. My vibe is supremely oofy doofy on my page too. My third picture is a video of me putting my nose up like a little piggy and pressing it against a restaurant window at some friends outside.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 05:25 PM
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Why would you want to make relationship guys wait? Why wouldn't you want to take accountability?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 05:22 PM
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Sparingly. I'd reject most men and hold out for someone I actually like and am attracted to who isn't a tool. I'd hone skills I'm interested in, say similar to the crafting and plant care that I'm into as a man now. I'd also probably cook and study engineering/design like I am now. I'd eventually date a guy I vibe with who doesn't detract from my current normal life. ...so I guess the exact same method that I use currently.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 05:21 PM
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It's a good thing those aren't the only two options then
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 05:19 PM
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I'd rather be completely invisible, gut reaction reading that. That's an easy decision. I don't need women I don't want to commit to in order to live.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 04:27 PM
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Seems pretty limiting
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 12:41 PM
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Exactly. In most cases I let the drop off of me especially if they’re not expectations I find realistic. Those that hold them I have no concern about. My life isn’t out to please everyone. Unfortunately some people are illogical and will put too much weight on meaningless things. Oh well. Do you want to spend your time trying to change their mind or live your life? I’m glad therapy and the weight loss journey are going well for you! That’s all that matters. Some women will engage for that alone.…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 03:49 AM
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I’m 35
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 03:43 AM
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Oh hay girl The expectations are only placed if you let them be placed. You never have to worry about expectations of a woman that you aren’t dating. I have certainly met women who have expectations of a potential partner, but those aren’t women I’m compatible with. Who cares if she wants me to be “greater” and not “lesser”? Does she like me? Do I like her? If yes, then that’s something to build on. If you think you’re pretty awesome and have a great sense of humor, then you’re pretty awesome wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 02:41 AM
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Seems that there are a lot of different ways things can go.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 02:32 AM
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Aw, I love you too! Thank you for calling me handsome
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 09:33 PM
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Well I read that as you admitting I won, bc the words don't matter
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 09:23 PM
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"What the actual words are is irrelevant to the point" Jesus christ dude lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 09:12 PM
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Interesting. Maybe it's an age/region thing. I'm in my 30s and live in Chicago, and as a whole the AF/BB thing is clearly bullshit. It applies to some women, but largely have been women I have zero interest in anyway, so it has very rarely applied in my dating life. Perhaps you may be focusing on more materialistic women
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 09:00 PM
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I don’t care if it says some fucken lol Okay well then I guess if you want to ignore the actual meaning of words then it can say whatever you want babes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 08:58 PM
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I think there's too much weight on what's "above" or "below." People sometimes are determined to have hardlined scores on things. In some respects, I might be considered below them. In others, weighing all the same categories, I might be considered above. Do you consider yourself a "lesser" man? Why don't you cconsider yourself a catch?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 08:55 PM
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It's not what the comment says. Read it carefully. They are attracted to good looking men, it just happens that some of these good looking men are bad/assholes because they can get away with it And then they say Women being attracted to bad men is a manospher cope It's not difficult to read what they mean. They say it directly. The point is it’s saying women are attracted to good looks and don’t care if he’s a good or bad person That's your point maybe. Doesn't seem to be the point of the commen…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 08:47 PM
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Both. In some cases even, friendly gets my foot in the door, and my continued niceness adds romantic attraction. I've had to turn down friends who catch feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 08:45 PM
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I feel like the more I see who women date and especially stay with long term the less I believe the redpill.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 08:41 PM
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Interesting. In my experience, what women have demanded and expected of me is nothing short of nice behavior. It seems that this is what they're attracted to, not "bad boy" traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 08:39 PM
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Yes, I've read the comment. They're attracted to good looking men, and of those good looking men, some of them are bad/asshole. Ergo, they're not attracted to "Good looking men who are assholes who get away with it." Some certainly are, as evidenced, but it's clearly not of the entire group. It's the looks not the behavior, that they're attracted to. I would fully agree with the actual quote, but I wouldn't agree with yours. They say two different things. You're spoon feeding me carrots and tell…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 08:37 PM
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Oh so you weren't being genuine. Okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 08:32 PM
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No it's not. The direct quote of the comment was this: They are attracted to good looking men, it just happens that some of these good looking men are bad/assholes because they can get away with it and there are always other women who will want them despite being like that. Your quote you may think is "essentially the same thing," but they each carry very different conclusions. Everything is laid out in the comments. So stop twisting the wording around in order to suit your narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 08:23 PM
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She said "men like you" because you made a comment of a man for whom that sort of thing would apply.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 08:20 PM
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So if a nice man racks up enough of a count, he's suddenly now an asshole?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 08:18 PM
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So if they're not acting on it, what's the issue?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 08:16 PM
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I've found the nicer I act the more I attract women's attention
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 08:00 PM
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Yes. Women are attracted to good looking men who are assholes and can get away with it. Lol how did you get here following this thread? Women are attracted to good looking men, yes. Some of those good looking men will be bad men, and women will be attracted to them in spite of these traits, either bc they don't care or because the men will hide these traits. There are enough women that pursue good men who are attractive to negate the blanket statement you propose. You're coming in with a complet…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 07:59 PM
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You're kind of the one saying dumb shit now, though, by adding this unnecessary disclaimer. So I guess I am underestimating you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 07:28 PM
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Kay well have fun with that!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 07:07 PM
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The post isn't about anyone's preferences. This post is an attempt to get men who have a standard to abandon it. It's absolutely not. You're welcome to find any point in the post that makes an assertion about men abandoning preferences or standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 07:07 PM
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Cool, me neither. Thanks for the non-sequitur lol
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 07:05 PM
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This thread isn’t about your preferences. You seem eager to bring it up but it just makes you seem unnecessarily defensive. There is a fact based position, which is that morality (and preferences) are subjective. There’s nothing right or wrong about a high body count. Nobody is saying that you shouldn’t have standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 06:53 PM
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It has been more effort than it’s worth in my experience. Letting go of those statistics has been a very freeing practice I’ve adopted in my recent years. I find significantly more meaning in learning more about the individual Comparison, after all, is the thief of joy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 06:49 PM
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Well since it is subjective, then it’s perfectly right for women to sleep around and have a high body count. And some people can remove moral judgment from the actions. Some people can't. Exactly. The point of the post is to help educate people who can’t
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 06:47 PM
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lol no it isn’t. It’s just to abandon putting labels of “right” or “wrong” onto individual preferences. You can still prefer a woman with a low body count without saying that a woman with a high body count is wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 06:14 PM
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Is it wrong to go skydiving, because of the risk? Is it wrong to go mountain biking? Of course not It’s not wrong for a woman (or a man) to have a high body count or to sleep around. You could argue that it is for them to do so without protection/getting checked, but that’s a different thread entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 06:12 PM
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You can have preferences, that’s fine. To imply that it’s wrong for a woman not to meet those preferences is when there would be a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 06:09 PM
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It’s not a skill issue as much as it’s a complete lack of interest in the topic or faith in results. Of the strong and wonderful relationships I’ve built, I’ve done so with this philosophy in mind of recognizing the individual beyond the statistics. You seek to think I’m ignoring the experiences of the individual which is far from the truth and I question why your logic brought you to that assumption. I still absolutely take into account their experiences, I just don’t assume them with stats bef…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 05:58 PM
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It's been for me. For a while in my younger days I would approach people with statistics in mind (Women will do this, rich people will do this, black people will do this) and altogether I found myself constantly meeting exceptions and, at times, having to go through more statistics and reasonings to try and justify their behavior, only to be met with more exceptions followed by more confusion. It was a shield in order to justify/predict behavior. Letting go of that as I meet and get to know indi…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 05:41 PM
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Nobody is trying to imply that individuals exist in a vacuum, dummy. The point is that treating an individual as a statistic, experience shows, is a fruitless way to go through life. The attempt to smear everyone with broad strokes leads to minimizing the actual individualities in your interactions and prevents making those real connections. Your idea that people can't exist as individuals and must be weighed with the entirety of the human existence is one that, to me, is an exhausting and meani…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 05:29 PM
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I'm saying those tinder stats give a pretty incomplete picture
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 05:23 PM
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Big if
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 04:17 PM
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lol pass on that philosophy. How ridiculous. Yes, people's lives are shaped by those around them, but that doesn't mean that individual interactions don't exist. I find freedom in seeing and treating people as they present themselves to me, not by trying to incorporate the entire world's existence within the space as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 04:16 PM
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Why did they choose Netflix? Why did you for that matter? Because there's a show on there that we both wanted to watch together. If you're going to go all meta and basically say that individuals don't exist because we've been shaped by the world around us, then barf. Fully, barf on that sort of reasoning. This would apply, already, to every single person in existence, so we're right back to an even playing field. We are not interacting with the writers of the netflix show. We are not interacting…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 03:40 PM
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Doesn't really seem to apply in this instance. If you're going to ask something like "why do men do this" then sure, that would make sense. "Hey have you ever rejected someone for being too perfect BTW NOT ALL MEN NOT ALL MEN!!" that sounds a bit insane. The disclaimer doesn't link to the question at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 03:29 PM
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How so? I'll give you an example to get into. My lady came to visit me while I've been out of town and we spent the weekend in my hotel. One evening we just napped, ordered pizza, watched some netflix, and had sex. Who else was involved in that interaction?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 03:22 PM
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Dunno why you put disclaimers when you're asking a question lol But no, I've never done that. That's insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 03:19 PM
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but those situations aren't unpredictable I'm not gonna waste my time trying to predict them though. That's my point. It might not seem freeing to you, but it certainly has been for me. I take things as they come. I don't bother with trying to figure out if the date across from me really means that or if she's lying because statistics say blah blah blah. It's never done good for me. I used to date like that, and it only kept me on edge. Dropping those pretenses I've had a lot more fun, and a lot…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 03:17 PM
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Yes, I realize how ironically that is phrased but absolutely I do. By letting my guard down a bit, I've become a bit more secure in understanding that people are individuals and will act and react in hundreds of different ways depending on the situation. I'm not wasting my energy trying to figure someone out why they said this when the statistics say they're supposed to do this, especially in situations that are, on paper, wholly positive. It's made me less afraid, less paranoid, less wrapped up…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 03:10 PM
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It’s given me a lot of security, actually, because I’m less guarded and more open to who people are as individuals instead of shielding myself with statistics. By understanding that individuals I meet are their own people, I’m more ready and able to connect with them personally instead of taking the initial interaction to analyze stats and what I think might happen, or trying to justify things they say that go against my initial idea. By going in seeing them as a blank slate, we create the inter…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 02:07 PM
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It’s less likely, in my experience. Almost everyone I’ve met in my life have demonstrated some exception to the rules of how people are expected to behave. I choose to be unprepared, because life is chaos. It’s been far more enjoyable for me to live that way. Less stress having to “prepare” myself for predicted outcomes that more than likely won’t happen exactly how I think they will
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 01:55 PM
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Interesting! One of my principles is that if you choose to tune out your partner who is trying to communicate with you then you aren’t a very good partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 03:29 AM
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It wasn’t though. I’m responding to their comment as written
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 01:45 AM
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They’re conditional ifs. The y’all I’m referring to is addressing all women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 01:22 AM
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By not acknowledging that there are ways to command someone that isn’t rude or disrespectful that I explained clearly That’s all I’ll say on the matter. I have a feeling if I continue with you you’re just gonna keep going in circles
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 01:10 AM
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You sure don't act like it. Everyone needs a reminder now and again. Anyway have fun with that
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 11:37 PM
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I'm saying there are ways to command someone that isn't rude or disrespectful, that is something you're able to do and, in several cases, is a perfectly acceptable and appropriate way to speak with another adult. That's what I mean by "can" in that context. Read it a bit more carefully. You seem way too sensitive if you're getting that twisted up over someone respectfully telling you something you need to do. I'm officially siding against the guy who actively tunes people out and the guy who is …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 11:26 PM
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What a sad perspective. I'm glad the world doesn't work like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 11:23 PM
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I go to bars, my local haunts, or social clubs like co-ed sports and local classes like pottery or music. I'll go out with friends and we'll interact with people through there over drinks or whatever. I met a bunch of people (and subsequently women) at one event where everyone jumped in the lake together every week. I didn't marry a high school sweetheart either. I'm in my 30s and just started dating someone who I adore. You're quite young with a lot of world to explore.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 11:23 PM
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Of course it is. You can command someone in a respectful way, especially if a task is important or time sensitive where there is no question of whether it needs to be done. You can also command someone when you've already asked them to do a task, they've agreed, and now you're in need of more urgency. There's certainly rude ways to issue a command, but there are also certainly ways that aren't rude.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 11:20 PM
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Okay neat. I'm addressing the illogical nature it to the user so that they might be able to think twice about what they're saying, and potentially modify their behavior in the future. That's how people learn and evolve.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 11:07 PM
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Telling someone to clean in that way is good you treat a child not an adult. It's a perfectly fine way to treat an adult. I offered the idea that you can explain to them why its important for example To someone, such as the user above, that could be considered nagging.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 11:06 PM
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Saying it would be good if someone did something isn't a command because you're not saying they have to, just it would be good if they did. Well by that logic it isn't even a request. The command you've given as an example seems perfectly appropriate. You seem to imply this would never be acceptable. A command could also be "Please clean up the living room before people arrive." You're gonna tell me that's never acceptable? The other bit i said where you figure out how to communicate more effect…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 10:58 PM
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It's not about morality, it's about logic
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 10:52 PM
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I don't agree I said a command. Okay. But it is a command, by definition. It's a stated instruction to another party, ie a command. Maybe explaining why is important before asking again? We've established the questioning doesn't work. So what is next?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 10:41 PM
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No it's a request. A request is an ask. What you wrote is not an ask. It was a command. I've already said. Figure out how to communicate more effectively and/or reflect on whether the thing is truly important. Let's say the thing is truly important. What is the best way to communicate when asking doesn't work?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 10:19 PM
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Yes, things need to get taken care of. But its not your partners job to take care of it When things need to be taken care of in a home of shared partners, it's both partner's responsibility to take care of it unless explicitly stated otherwise. "it would be great if you could do that since its on your way home" etc. This is a command, and exactly what I'm referring to. A gentle command, but a command nonetheless. This supports me, so thank you. No you don't, you never do. If asking your partner …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 10:13 PM
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There was a time where single women would complain THERE ARE NO GOOD MEN ALL THE GOOD MEN ARE TAKEN I mean, yeah I'm familiar with the trope. It's no different/less dramatic than saying "all women are whores." Nobody actually means it it's just a dumb gripe. Anyone who takes it seriously is being kind of silly. I don't think in any conversations I've had with women who were looking to date I've ever seen evidence of them ignoring or abusing the good men. On the contrary, they'd seek them out. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 09:49 PM
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You don't "tell" your partner anything. ...are you kidding? Of course there are things that you will tell your partner in a relationship. Not everything is going to be a question. "The kids need to be picked up after school." "The repairman is coming by the house to take care of the waterheater this afternoon." "The bills need to be paid by the end of the week." All of these perfectly valid things to say, that come with an expectation. You don't command your partner You do if there is something …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 09:39 PM
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Interesting. My time gathering other people's experiences really goes against this. I see a lot of women who value the kindness their partners and prospective partners show them, and will easily pass over a guy who is attractive if he shows signs of not being a kind/nice person. Of course, social media is a tailored experience, and people will often find the story that they want, so those sorts of things won't always give the full picture. MSM as well I see a lot more validation against red pill…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 09:37 PM
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I didn't see where you disagreed. You said women are neurotic and will find a reason to nag even if everything is perfect, but it's still not established if everything is perfect in this relationship, so it doesn't really apply to the scenario. If it's not perfect, and the listener is not addressing the problems, then repeated fault finding and repeated commands is a necessary communication method. Is it not? Or really pondering on whether the thing is actually important. We still don't know wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 08:30 PM
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We already established a possible need to nag if a person is unresponsive or not addressing problems. A person who isn't getting it the first time will require repeated commands until they learn how to properly take care of things. In a situation like that, nagging is necessary and a person tuning them out instead of directly addressing the problems at hand is in the wrong. So it seems there is no valid reason, at least not one that either of us can come up with, where actively tuning out your p…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 08:14 PM
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Okay, but again we don't know if everything is perfect in this situation or if he is not taking care of basic things that he should be Not sure you answered my question, though. Can you think of an instance where tuning out the other person is a valid form of communication between partners?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 08:04 PM
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Nagging means continuous urging or fault finding. If there are many faults to find without effort being done by the listener to address them or initial urging is unsuccessful, in those cases, then nagging would certainly be valid. That could be the case here, we don’t know. Can you think of an instance where tuning out the other person is a valid form of communication between partners?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 07:54 PM
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We don’t know if she did before. We don’t know if the nagging is valid. But if someone says they actively tune out the other person in conversation, I’m already inclined to side against them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 07:49 PM
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Do your best.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 07:30 PM
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What is the "bad" thing that these attractive guys who effortlessly bag women are doing to deserve justice? Let's already cast aside guys like handsome criminals and objectively evil guys, what other justice is needed?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 07:29 PM
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Damn you're really making it make a lot of sense why she'd nag you 24/7
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 07:27 PM
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I mean, he straight up says he tunes her out, so...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 07:26 PM
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If a woman is nagging you 24/7 then don't be in a relationship with her. That sounds miserable. Be in a relationship with a woman who actually enjoys your company.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 07:26 PM
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You never have to appease "y'all" (women) when seeking a relationship. Stop worrying about that. All that matters, when you meet someone, is what she wants. Does she want you to be emotionally available? Great, then be that kind of person! Is that not what you're comfortable with? Great, then don't be with her and seek someone else Why do people insist on asking "y'all" to make up their minds when the simple answer is that different women want different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 07:25 PM
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I agree that kindness is not confined to sexual relationships, but I don't see how that goes with the point. At the start of this thread you claimed that women vilify nice guys and ascribe evil intent to it, adding further support by implying that a woman wouldn't choose to be a with a man that she considers kind. The data that I was asking on is about exactly that Because women have a narrow definition for what a NICE GUY is because they have painted themselves into a corner on why they are sin…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 07:21 PM
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Do men reward successful men even if they show signs of being abusers?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 04:16 PM
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Is that's what's needed? I figured we were just sharing our observed behaviors. I'll see what I can pull up! If data is what you require though, I'd love to see the studies that show what you were declaring earlier! Could you provide some? (I hope you don't ignore this just because I don't have data at the ready for my own point) Keep in mind, I believe the majority of women are single vs who are married. ...those women aren't with anyone lol. How could they describe someone they're with as kind…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 04:02 PM
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Well the vast majority of women will describe their own partner as one of the kindest they know, so that supporting evidence seems to go directly against your original claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 03:39 PM
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So why ask anyone then if you just think they’re lying by default?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 02:37 PM
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Yup! Dunno why you’re telling me lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 02:36 PM
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Yup! The world sure is a funny place.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 12:25 PM
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I don't deal in your personal social circle Just one comment before this you asked the user to “ask any woman you know.” Who else would they ask aside from their personal social circle?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 10:33 AM
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Because there are enough men who exist that are that it makes up a sample size
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 10:31 AM
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Everyone contributes to statistics, but treating an individual interaction as you would to a statistic are/should be two very different behaviors. Otherwise you’re just gonna be constantly bombarded with the exception that you’re not prepared for
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 06:02 PM
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When im on a date with a person, im never dating a trend or a statistic, im dating an individual. I never have to worry if she’s going to be attractive or if she because I already know that information going in
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 05:09 PM
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The probability discussion just never has applied nor does it matter to me and this MO has served me quite well. I pretty much always do the “I got this you got next” if not go dutch in dates, because I find it to be fair. You’re going to tell me about probabilities? That doesn’t really matter to me because, from the start, I’m already going to be going out with women who are attractive to me. So far, the probability that I’m going out with someone who is attractive is 100% I’d say the vast majo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 03:21 PM
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Worked for me as well
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 02:24 PM
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I do it often with relatively strong success
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 02:24 PM
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The “probabilities” thing is such a silly argument When you’re on a date with a person, the probabilities of what she looks like and how old she is is completely out the window. You now know how hot she is, you now know how young she is. If you don’t like who this person is in front of you, then there’s no need to determine whether or not she’s gonna split the bill.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 02:23 PM
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No matter how many important details you give, there are countless subtle details that play a major part in person to person interaction. Nobody online is ever going to give better advice than a person who k knows you personally
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 05:28 AM
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Gonna pile on. Yes, I’ve met some lesbians who hate men. I’ve also met and been longtime friends with lesbians, despite me being a man. It’s not so one dimensional
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 05:25 AM
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The mainstream narrative was worked pretty well for me 🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 05:15 AM
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What makes you think it’s tremendously less so?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 03:07 PM
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Men can certainly do the same thing here, can they not?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 04:46 AM
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SICK
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 03:16 AM
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I can see, totally, where you come to that conclusion. I do. But it's still a leap to say that she thinks she "deserves" Chad only until you see who she's actually (I mean actually) saying she wants to be with. Not like "Oh Brad Pitt is so hot and David from math class isn't," but actually who she finds herself attracted to. By this metric alone, I can see she's picky (I frankly think all people should be), but not necessarily "I deserve only Chad"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 11:20 PM
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You don’t call out bad behavior?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 08:29 PM
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How do you act in real life?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 08:01 PM
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There's a middle ground between repressing your emotions and taking your emotions out on other people. It's not about your chances
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 08:00 PM
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So give me an example of a woman you know. Shouldn’t be hard
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 06:56 PM
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It's not about repressing your emotions. You're perfectly capable (I hope) of understanding and acknowledging your emotions without taking them out on people who have little to do with how you're currently feeling. It's not your existence. Don't make the mistake of projecting your fears onto how you think I feel
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 06:47 PM
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So why make it harder then? Why give them another reason? Why alienate a woman who potentially doesn't see you the same way?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 06:46 PM
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Can you let me know when I've said that? Or are you just passing off your feeling of others onto me?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 06:40 PM
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So it's not about the bad behavior, it's about your resentment? You need to not be so emotional my guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 06:38 PM
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Earlier you said that calling out bad behavior does absolutely nothing. So why do it here?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 06:35 PM
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In what sense? Can you give an example? One of your friends or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 06:34 PM
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If you want 99% of women to want to date you, why act in ways that is off-putting to them?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 06:33 PM
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You specifically said you don't want to comment about men's bad behavior because you don't want to date them Now you're saying that your comments toward women have no effect on your chances. So if in both situations your dating life is unaffected, why pick and choose whose bad behavior you call out?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 06:33 PM
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But by alienating women acting like a villain, you're going against your desire to have women want to date you
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 06:25 PM
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Genuinely, 99%? Do you have no standards?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 06:22 PM
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Even though it goes against your own interests?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 06:22 PM
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How do you handle it?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 06:21 PM
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So why alienate yourself further?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 05:56 PM
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You’re the one who said you want to date 99% of women
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 05:55 PM
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Why would it separate you from men? Also, if you call out women, does that not also separate you from women?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 05:44 PM
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Either you’re not actually engaging in realistic discussion or you’re fully irrational. Which is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 05:43 PM
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See again this is what I’m saying. You’re talking about “merely having a shower” as if it’s the end all answer to all problems. But to answer your question, loads of men will improve their chances by taking better care of themselves hygeinicslly. This does not mean that taking a shower will make you a millionaire.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 05:15 PM
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So do you just let all bad behavior slip by? You never ever speak out?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 05:12 PM
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You want to date 99% of women?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 05:11 PM
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Do you not believe that calling out bad behavior leads to a more cohesive society?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 05:10 PM
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Odds are you're not dating 99% of the women you interact with either
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 04:12 PM
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Then we should never call out bad behavior? How many instances are required?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 04:12 PM
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Pretty quick turnaround.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 04:11 PM
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How is it going out of your way though? Is it any more or less effort than calling out women's?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 04:04 PM
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You would benefit from a more cohesive society, as all of us would. Is it about the reward or is it about you believing that you get the reward?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 04:04 PM
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Why don't you feel you should call out bs takes?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 03:54 PM
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You would benefit from a more cohesive society, as all of us would. Is it about the reward or is it about you believing that you get the reward?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 03:54 PM
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The argument is that women DO consider Chad as "what they deserve" I think women like this are even less common than the supposed Chad
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 03:51 PM
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I'll tell you right now I've got the full stache and plenty of women dig it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 03:49 PM
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I don't get why men will hear something like "practice good hygiene" and think to themselves "but that's not all you have to do!" Of course it's not all you have to do. However, a lot of men still need to the reminder.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 03:49 PM
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What if the reward is a more cohesive society?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 03:45 PM
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Why should I call out other men's bad actions? We all know this is not going to make me popular with women. Just because it is a right thing to do? Not enough. Do you base all your decisions on how women will feel about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 03:44 PM
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Yeah you seem to be describing a doormat. Like he doesn’t have any capacity to be assertive?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 11:02 PM
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Do you mean nice guy, or do you mean doormat? Because there are certainly nice guys who can be assholes, even if just in jest
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 10:04 PM
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Can be, or is?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 09:27 PM
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Kind of a dick response huh? Do you think she might just be opening up to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 09:23 PM
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I ask if she did it
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 08:38 PM
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It depends on the individual case. I think we can agree though that if your first thought meeting a victim is to determine if they're at fault is a slimy thing to do
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 08:35 PM
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lol what are you gonna do about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 03:30 PM
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And goals?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 03:27 PM
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99% of women reject you If you are unemployed with no goals As they should. You have no direction or drive in life, so why would someone want to love you?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 03:16 PM
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What are you gonna do about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 03:15 PM
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So by "low status" you just mean "lower than that guy over there"?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 03:14 PM
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Not who you asked, but I know loads. Many of my friends are this way. They don't need some grand gestures. For some of them, I've heard them gush about a cute handwritten note that their partner left for them without any added gift.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 02:23 PM
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I miss my teenage relationship where I could write long, sappy love letters without being seen as creepy or desperate, and hold hands in the car or plan a star gazing date that cost me literally zero bucks while still keeping my girl happy and appreciative. I'm in my mid 30s, and am currently seeing a woman who would go nuts for that sort of thing. Just last night we debated driving out to go stargazing and would have if it wasn't so cloudy. I write her little notes and get teeny tiny trinkets f…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 02:22 PM
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He's a 1%er boomer and it shows. He's got his old money friends, his boys clubs, and hates it that my brother and I don't straight razor shave every day. He hates that people wear jeans to work on fridays. He's a jerk when he's drunk, and the next day will take you to Saks to buy you something (but won't actually apologize). We're fine. I don't see him as a "dad" really as much as a provider and peer. We get along enough as adults but there's always a point in the night where I'll find an excuse…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 02:16 PM
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Speaking personally, I would be much happier ditching a girlfriend who wants to go sleeping behind my back. It's faaaaar more preferable being along than being with a woman who doesn't respect me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 08:39 PM
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Lol he's def 45+
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 07:19 PM
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I do the exact same thing when I'm walking by strangers. Some people just don't want to be bothered.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 01:48 PM
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I don't care if another guy wants to date the woman i'm with. In fact, I almost expect it, because obviously the woman I'm with is desirable. Why would it matter what he thinks if she's gonna stay faithful?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 08:34 PM
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I can safely say that of my close female relationships this is not the case, so don't take this rule as a definite.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 08:33 PM
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Aw hey there old buddy! Haven't been back around on here in a while. Guess who's going steady with a desirable woman from online dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 08:31 PM
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I don't base trait usefulness on whether or not a woman sees it. I base it on whether or not it improves my quality of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 08:29 PM
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Okay...so don't? Why does it piss you off if someone else is doing something that doesn't have to do with you? You can still be in a relationship with a woman who's attracted to you even if someone else is in a relationship with a woman who settled.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 08:28 PM
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Because this figure comes from a silly study that people take the wrong ideas from. It’s just something you want to believe. where odds are she threw the first punch These assumptions you make are hilarious, honestly. Anything to justify your imagination. because empathy and human kindness are only for women apparently. Not where I come from. Shame you live in such a shitty place
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 06:34 AM
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Oh yes, this again. How dare men face issues No no I mean the stupid 80/20 stat. That's the "oh this again." It's not 80% of men and you know it. So about 1690 women killed by their intimate partner per year in the USA, versus 38,000 men who died by suicide in the US in 2021. ............................................................................................................................and?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 11:03 PM
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The poor guy is 80% of men. Oh god this again And men have just as many poisoned dishes to deal with as women Just as many? How many men out there are getting killed/raped by their dates/partners?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 08:56 PM
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Nobody is complaining to the poor guy. Women are complaining about the buffet (men) because so many dishes are poisoned many of which it’s not apparent.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 12:44 PM
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But it can also be a great aspect of a quality man.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 02:25 AM
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