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I'm not disagreeing with that at all. I'm simply saying that the expectation that women remain attractive is highly overstated in society and doesn't exist at the level many people claim it as.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 08:57 PM
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The way women are objectified is that there is a constant demand that they remain attractive. This is not a demand that women face. Have you been to your local super market recently?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 02:47 PM
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but deep down, we are disgusted by any ever-complaining woman. The same goes for men. I disagree. I think the woman who is upset that she has no past experience is in a far better position than a man who is the same, and is forgiven more for her insecurities.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 02:46 PM
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It's harder for all non-masculine men. Women have benefitted from a loosening of gender roles. Men haven't. That's the core of any good movement for Men's Rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 02:49 AM
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Do women even want a guy who is more relationship-focused than sex-focused?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 02:47 AM
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Do you seriously not see the difference between cheating and having sex before you meet a future partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 02:46 AM
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You seem to ignore my point where I say that less masculine men are not sought after by masculine women either. Even women who are high earners and natural leaders don't like to date less masculine men. It's because women's idea of a man's masculinity is intrinsically tied to their judgement of his worth as a partner, regardless of her personality. Whilst men are far more liberal when it comes to gender roles. It is by definition a social punishment for not adhering to gender roles. Being asexua…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 02:42 AM
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Because masculine women don't want more feminine men either. It's because women care far more about traditional gender roles for their partner than men do. Women socially punish men for not being masculine because they don't want to date a less masculine man, regardless of whether or not she's masculine or feminine herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 02:20 AM
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So I'm straight as a dude if I'm attracted to the person in that picture? Yes or no.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 02:18 AM
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So if I find this person attractive I'm straight? https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/EJbU7Y47aEiHaoBQ0UhTrEJpogE=/0x0:1000x563/1200x800/filters:focal(420x202:580x362)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/66962519/patricio_manuek.0.jpg
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 02:08 AM
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Most men can do that yet many struggle in the dating marketplace because they aren't traditionally masculine. They may have different body language, be more emotive and sensitive/share their emotions with their partners, not be the leader in the relationship, be quieter and be the supportive member of their friend group, have a more high-pitched voice and have different mannerisms, etc. Women punish men for not being masculine whereas men are much less expectant of women fulfilling traditional g…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 02:03 AM
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Yes, but a lot of women would accept men like that as long as they're masculine and otherwise have high status.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 01:45 AM
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Maybe you should try and marry a comma or an apostrophe.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 01:43 AM
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I think it's more that who you're attracted to is a reflection of yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 01:42 AM
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Would be easier if women's expectations for men were not through the roof when it comes to them fulfilling certain gender roles. Women don't see men who are less masculine as worthy partners even if they are great people.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 01:40 AM
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I guess it would depend on the person. As long as she doesn't expect me to be as experienced as her and views sex and intimacy in a similar way as I do, I wouldn't inherently be against it. If she is actively working in sex work, however, I would not be comfortable in that relationship as exclusivity is important to me, passionate sex or not, no matter how great her personality or looks are.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 12:06 PM
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Most men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 01:17 AM
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Men paying child support are more likely to require government assistance anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 12:42 AM
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He shouldn't, we're talking about places were abortion is legal.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 12:41 AM
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Why is he a wuss?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 12:35 AM
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Depends on what she did on OF. Personally I don't have issues with people doing stuff like that as long as it's consensual, my main issue would be that we would value sex and intimacy completely differently which may develop issues in the relationship. Fresh and Fit are morons who constantly get called out for getting basic facts wrong, I wouldn't expect them to have the emotional intelligence to be capable of relating to somebody who isn't them. Anybody who watches that show for any other reaso…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 12:10 AM
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Why are so many people against free healthcare who are dying of curable diseases in a trailer park in some bum fuck town? People are morons. Simple answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 03:20 PM
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Well, it kind of destroys your point anyway because it does exist and offers a way for gay couples to have biological children. That's like saying you can't jump over a fence unless you have legs, it's a meaningless point. Not that there's a reasonable moral contract to produce children in the first place, as proved by the rest of my comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 10:15 AM
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No parent is entitled to their children's procreation. There's no contractual or moral agreement between a baby that didn't choose to be born and an adult. The term indebted means owing favour and gratitude, it does not mean some hyper-specific agreement to have kids. If your parents raised you right and supported you, I might argue that you are responsible for showing gratitude and helping them to a degree in return. However, there's no world where a permissible moral agreement between two peop…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 10:07 AM
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The point was that women find men with makeup unattractive, or at the very least they are not attracted to normal guys using makeup. This is obviously a general statement. There are some women who find obese men attractive, doesn't mean that women in general do. Exceptions never disprove generalities because we accept that not everything has to be 100% before we accept that as a general assessment of something.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 09:47 AM
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Can't see the comment that linked it directly anymore but the list in the appendix listed a series of activities such as "watching TV" and "having lunch with friends" for example, rather than just having them decide what is and what isn't lesiure time. I mean, it's pew research, I'm pretty sure they wouldn't allow those polled to decide what each category means at that goes against statistics 101.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 12:25 AM
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I'm pretty sure that the study asked people to log hours against specific categories rather than choose themselves what is leisure and what isn't, so I doubt it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 12:19 AM
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Women complain about this all the time yet go for the guys who pull these asshole moves. You only have yourselves to blame.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 12:14 AM
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Or perhaps his parents supported him through college whilst OP had to work and couldn't go to college. Success doesn't equal hard work and vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 12:12 AM
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Perhaps it's because women sleep longer than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 12:09 AM
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A woman alone with a guy has to risk an angry outburst or guilt tripping if she says no to sex... If women said no when they didn't want sex, they would be less likely to be raped, not more. This is a statistical fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 12:05 AM
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Then why are you so sure that everything that can be compensated for when it comes to appearances if you don't know?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 11:56 PM
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When you have to travel back in time to prove your point, you lost.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 11:54 PM
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And women typically need both unless the man is really successful, which is rare even in older man. A younger man is more likely to be moderately attractive and successful than an old man because so few old men are attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 07:51 PM
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And older men are less likely to be physically attractive to women. What's your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 07:49 PM
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Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 07:43 PM
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Men who have similar income levels and social status to their wives are more likely to divorce, and these divorces are initiated 70% by women: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fc7v8DtWAAMphrt?format=png&name=900x900 Interpreted another way, women select men who earn more than them and are of higher social status for more lasting relationships, and men who are of higher income and higher social status are seen as more worthy people by women in relationships. The same does not occur in the way men view…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 01:00 PM
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Not you personally, I'm analysing general trends with women in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 12:44 PM
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And how did your own rational mind come to the conclusions that it has?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 12:14 AM
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A man who uses quotes he found written with cool fonts on google images will fall for any old bullshit he reads online.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 11:13 PM
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You're stabbing yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 11:01 PM
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That's objective fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 06:49 PM
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I'm not causing myself untold damage, I'm 6'0, my dating woes are for reasons other than my looks. I just don't think it's wise to lie to guys about statistical realities. But hey, glad that you feel so strongly in your gut feeling that it matters more than statistical reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 06:49 PM
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It's not bullshit it's statistical fact. Women are highly judgemental of men's height when it comes to dating, being most satisfied with a partner when they are 8-10 inches shorter than them on average. Just as they prefer a more masculine, dominant man, even if this comes with an increased likelihood of domestic abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 05:54 PM
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Loneliness that has an easy solution is not the same as loneliness with no solution. If she is attractive, there is no possible way that she will be obstructed from entering a relationship with an average normal guy at the minimum. It's like starving to death in a super market, it isn't possible statistically.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 05:50 PM
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A stupid one.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 05:48 PM
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This is an example of how men are expected to be the arbiters of both their and the woman's feelings in relationships between both sexes. If a man is "friend-zoned", then it's his fault for assuming wrongly about the relationship, that he should've known she only saw him as a friend, and that he's a bad person for assuming anything. There is no expectation for the woman in the relationship to check in on her friend to assess his feelings on their relationship and to make sure she isn't taking ad…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 05:46 PM
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But in a sense it is self-imposed. 50% of men on dating websites are looking for LTRs. If she's attractive as you say, she can match with a majority of these men. What I'm saying is that there are options open for her that men don't have access to. As such, her loneliness is not the same as that of a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 02:06 PM
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The disgust a Nazi would feel towards a Jewish person is equal to that a modern American would feel towards a murderer. This doesn't mean that both are equally acceptable and should be treated equally. Women's expectations are far more irrational, yet they are the only ones with access to their equals. Again, there are no practical options for these men. Many men are doomed to loneliness. There are options for women, however, which makes their loneliness far more artificial and self-imposed. We …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 02:04 PM
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In that case, she is an extreme exception.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 01:54 PM
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The difference is in what men and women are attracted to. The baseline expectation for somebody to alleviate your loneliness is somebody that meets or comes close to meeting your own worth. The difference between men and women is that women have access to plenty of men that are equally passive, earn the same amount, are the same height and have the same social status etc. As such, they have options that, rationally, could alleviate their loneliness. Many men do not. As such, only women have mean…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 01:53 PM
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Fair enough, gotta play the hand you got I guess. Personally, I would rather be alone than date somebody I have to pay, but we're all different at the end of the day and some of us are more affected by loneliness.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 01:45 PM
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That simply isn't an option to avert loneliness. If a man's only option is to date down, he doesn't have ANY options to alleviate his loneliness. Mutual attraction is important to a good relationship. I think the true controversial opinion is that many men simply do not have a way out. They have a hand of cards that it is impossible to not lose using. It would be impossible for them to be happy and content because of the way the world is. The same is not true for most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 01:43 PM
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I disagree somewhat with your comment on fat women being fine with it. They have a higher rate of depression and mental illness, after all. Most women want LTR's, I think where my contention lies is the idea that people do what is good for them. People are self-destructive and illogical and often go against good advice that would make them happier or more fulfilled (losing weight, learning hobbies, etc). I think fat women are the same, they would be happier and much more fulfilled at an healthy …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 01:40 PM
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She's never had an average guy (5'9, average BMI, average income) who isn't mentally ill or an addict approach her? Then again, if she's an art ho, maybe it's the communities she hangs about in.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 01:37 PM
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Not being judgemental or saying your have a bad personality, you do you, but many women get the ick when it comes to certain personality types, even if those types aren't objectively bad. My personality type is more feminine and passive, for example, which is the primary reason I struggle in relationships, especially as some women have found me cute before but are turned off by my personality. I'm tall, slim, with an average face, so it's certainly not looks holding me back. Why are you matching…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 01:36 PM
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Women are less attracted to more submissive, passive men as opposed to domineering men. It's their own fault that the men they choose turn out the way they do, they are looking for features that they find attractive that are more likely to lead to men being bad long-term boyfriends.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 01:32 PM
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The only men who approach her are not eligible for serious relationships. To her, this could be 80% of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 01:30 PM
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50% of men using online dating do so because they are looking for LTR. If women are only interested in the 50% of men who are looking for casual sex, that's their own fault, not men's.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 01:27 PM
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Partially the fault of men's low standards. If men stopped fucking everything that moves, fat women would have to complete the same obstacles.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 01:26 PM
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Men's problem is not that they don't have a shot, it's that they don't have a shot with somebody who is their equal in terms of looks, personality, income, social status, etc. Women expect their partners to exceed them in every aspect of their lives except perhaps looks. Men, by and large, would date a female version of themselves in a heartbeat. Women wouldn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 01:23 PM
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Source needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 01:21 PM
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Women should be upfront with men that they are not looking at them in a romantic way too. Many women do things with men that usually boyfriends and girlfriends do together and are surprised when the guy catches feelings. In that sense, it does exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 01:20 PM
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But 50% of men on dating websites are looking for a LTR. If you're only matching with fuck bois, perhaps stop swiping on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 01:18 PM
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You do realize women can be sad too, right? Even if we accept that women's external circumstances are, on average, better than men's, often brain chemistry is a fucked up thing that doesn't always correlate with the person's external existence. People who should by all assumptions be happy can kill themselves too.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 01:16 PM
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Younger women are starting to out-earn younger men in many fields. Throughout most of the western world it's estimated that, in our lifetimes, the wage gap could become inverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 01:14 PM
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Because women say "it's not because of your height and looks" and then reject them based on those attributes. Sometimes, the truth is simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 01:12 PM
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Half of men on dating websites are looking for long-term relationships. The idea that a majority of men are just looking for somebody to throw their dick at is a lie. You're either lying or are doing something to only match with fuck bois. You're more than likely only swiping on men who are more likely to be interested in casual sex, because they are more likely to have traits you find sexually attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 01:11 PM
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Perhaps it's because you have the type of personality that would drive you to pay younger women to spend time with you that others have been somewhat averse to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 01:05 PM
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I'm talking hypothetically. If a man did have easy access to women without having to put in the effort, would he be a slut? Vice versa, if a woman is born ugly but puts in a large amount of effort to overcome that, would she be a playgirl?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 12:58 PM
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Nothing you say has conflicted with my claim. Women like men who are well-liked by women but who choose to not have a large number of casual partners. Being a man slut is indicative of an increased likelihood of the man exhibiting anti-social behaviour and women are inherently biased against such behaviour, especially when it comes to long-term relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 07:00 PM
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Men who DO have easy access to women, are they sluts if they engage in casual sex? After all, they meet the same parameters as women.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 06:58 PM
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Not every woman has two eyes, yet I can infer from the significant likelihood of humans having two eyes that a woman I haven't met likely does have two eyes. An exception doesn't prove a rule doesn't exist, in fact it goes some way to confirm the existence of the rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 06:57 PM
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Prove it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 06:55 PM
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I mean, revealed preferences have pretty much-confirmed women don't like male sluts. I'm just following the evidence, I have no idea what you're following.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 06:54 PM
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I literally cannot downvote in this sub...
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 06:52 PM
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Is a man who has easy access to sex and has a lot of casual sex a slut? It's not a hard question to answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 06:51 PM
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It was a joke.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 12:19 AM
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I'll take them in the divorce and sell them to get the money to purchase a medium-sized reliable car that doesn't look like it was stretched out in Microsoft Paint.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 11:38 PM
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Why don't you try reading for once in your life rather than dismiss everything that sounds like it goes against your ill-thought-out worldview? You are asking questions that you can easily find yourself in the data that directly references the information you spend your time arguing about. Also, love how you're using anecdotal data to argue against carefully researched scientific data. They say men the rational sex, but you seem to disprove them directly by engaging in literal anti-intellectuali…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 11:26 PM
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Because they both offer simplistic solutions to complicated answers. They both attract non-thinkers.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 11:11 PM
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Do you not understand the term "revealed preferences" when it comes to statistics? You're talking purely about "stated preferences", which is different. Funnily enough studies when it comes to dating shows that stated and revealed preferences are highly similar, showing how even if we were to only rely on stated preferences they would offer a high degree of accuracy. Thankfully, we don't have to anyway. I like how you ignore the fact that you failed to read my previous comment when you compared …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 11:03 PM
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It is true. There's no questioning about it. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17886495/ https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fkw2JDdXgAI8mBK?format=jpg&name=medium https://www.psychologytoday.com/ie/blog/darwin-does-dating/202112/how-many-previous-sex-partners-is-too-many Most data seems to indicate that sexually promiscuous men are judged more harshly by women than socially promiscuous women are by men, in fact. Also, did you not read my comment at all? I said that women like men who can get sex but don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 10:45 PM
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Well her fears are unwarranted, most men, conservative or not, aren't against women being sexually open with them. That's not how the term "slut" is used. Maybe if they're deeply conservative, but people who are deeply conservative are also deeply stupid, so it means little when it comes to general trends.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 10:40 PM
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Sports cars are cringe.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 10:35 PM
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You're not a woman either.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 10:35 PM
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Women did the world a disservice then.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 07:23 PM
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Why would a woman who cares about terms like "slut shaming" date a conservative man?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 07:23 PM
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You sure do!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 07:03 PM
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Most men don't consider a woman a slut for being sexually open with them, even those who slut shame. In fact, quite the opposite, men would LOVE it if women were more open. Just look at all the fun gay men have with more open partners. Slut shamers target women who have a high number of sex partners, not those who are open with a single partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 07:01 PM
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It would have to. Any other way would be chaos.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 06:59 PM
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When it comes to dating, having more than (I believe) 4 sexual partners throughout your life lowers your value when it comes to long-term relationships for both men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 06:57 PM
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It can read but it can't explain, it seems.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 06:56 PM
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Both of them are literally models. Or, at least, the girl is.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 06:54 PM
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I think the answer to that is self-evident.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 06:52 PM
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It's clear that you don't have a masters, that's for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 06:51 PM
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I'm surprised you managed to read my comment. Do you use audio-assisted reading software?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 06:49 PM
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Women prefer men who can get sex but don't choose to have a high amount of partners. That's a turn-off.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 06:46 PM
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You're presenting a false dichotomy. Women like men who can get sex, yes, but they still don't like men who do have lots of sex with different women. That's a statistical fact. They prefer men with a decent but small amount of sexual partners, as do men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 06:45 PM
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Women don't want a ho either, their attraction drops off similarly to a man after a certain amount of partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 06:42 PM
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So are gay men who fuck a lot of sluts, because it's very easy for them to have sex, but a bi-sexual man would be half stud half slut?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 06:41 PM
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I know what you're saying, it's just irrelevant to the point he's making. Women expect a LOT of men when it comes to being sexual but rarely ever do they match the energy they wish their partner to exhibit. That's what he's discussing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 06:35 PM
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Men are highly emotional too. They are just less likely to see their outbursts as "emotional".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 06:33 PM
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I've never seen a goat fly.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 06:30 PM
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It isn't women buying sports cars they can't afford to show off en masse.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 06:29 PM
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Men love drama.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 06:28 PM
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He's not talking about that. He's talking about the common tendency of women to lose interest in a man for being too sexually passive, even if she herself is equally or even more sexually passive than him.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 06:26 PM
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You just outed yourself as illiterate on a public forum.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 06:23 PM
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It's called being a human being.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 08:27 PM
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What, you're against the concept of truth now?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 08:27 PM
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Many of us a partner to love and be loved by, to share our lives with happily. Not "blow jobs".
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 06:34 PM
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Exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 06:33 PM
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Source for interests? Everything I find tells me you're making shit up.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 06:33 PM
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As opposed to discussing the pre-historic dating scene? Lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 06:32 PM
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Yes, everyone loves a good laugh.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 12:06 AM
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Inaccurate nonsense. Most men didn't die in wars throughout recorded history, a vast majority of people were almost exclusively part of a subservient labour force of farmers or similar professions and didn't die on the battlefield.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 12:05 AM
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He's a sex symbol because he's a world-famous rich sports star. Morrisey was a sex symbol in the 80s and he's a miserable, rude, unbearable man who is most likely asexual. Fame and status elevates people to high sex status.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 11:58 PM
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He didn't say qualities, he said interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 11:54 PM
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Were you the person she spoke too?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 11:50 PM
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Most men don't just want blow jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 11:39 PM
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I am not speaking for my own independent sake, I am speaking generally for all men. My argument is that men HAVE changed to accommodate more fluid and open gender roles for women and that women have to catch up. I'm not saying all women are like that, I'm saying that generally, it is a problem with that demographic. I'm not going to start ranting about women's views of men whilst on a personal date.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 06:51 PM
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In that case, why wouldn't you deride a homeless man for being envious of people's homes? Using your logic, he should be grateful for what he has and not focus on the wants that someone else might be getting.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 06:40 PM
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But as we discussed a perception of loneliness, which in men can very much be borne from a lack of romantic success, kills more people indirectly than a lack of shelter indirectly kills homeless people. So why can you be envious about one thing but not another when both can indirectly kill?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 06:36 PM
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So you don't disagree that women are the ones that need to primarily change?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 06:27 PM
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Would you then deride a homeless person for being envious of people with a house because he's not lonely?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 06:25 PM
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Yet some people without a home aren't lonely, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 05:52 PM
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Thousands of lonely people die from suicide and the increased likelihood of heart disease in somebody who perceives themselves as having insufficient social relationships, including a partner, means that much more people die indirectly from not having their social needs met than people die indirectly from lack of shelter.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 05:08 PM
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Why is it? You don't directly die from lack of shelter.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 04:57 PM
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But a homeless man can get his needs met. "Needs" is such a low bar for quality of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 04:53 PM
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And women are the ones who need to primarily change their views when it comes to traditional gender roles. At least when it comes to intimate relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 04:23 PM
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No, food is a need.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 04:22 PM
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That's not what most men want from a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 04:22 PM
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I think that women are the ones more entrenched in traditionalism, at least in regard to what they expect from partners. Women's view of a partners worth is still highly based on their view of his masculinity. This is the case for men but not nearly as much. If a woman is more stoic and masculine men typically don't care as long as she's attractive, but if a man is more passive and less traditionally masculine then he's punished socially by women to a much greater extent, at least when it comes …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 04:21 PM
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They get less than what would be expected per proportion of men to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 04:18 PM
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They are losers if they act as arrogant as they do and are incapable of maintaining deeper relationships. It's more the way they act that makes them losers as opposed to their inability to maintain deeper relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 04:17 PM
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Not many women are, unfortunately. Yet they themselves are passive sexually by large. They want what they don't have, and unfortunately their hypocrisy is rewarded.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 04:15 PM
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I learned it when I was young, I just never learned to accept it. It's one of if not my biggest flaws.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 12:58 AM
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Part of the reason why men bottle up emotions is because women socially punish men who are viewed as "feminine" when it comes to being sensitive, and susceptible to certain emotions By this, I mean that men who show certain emotions or express emotions in some ways are socially punished due to the perception of them expressing those emotions in the ways that they do being non-masculine. Not all emotions entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 12:48 AM
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That's the difficulty in life, knowing if you truly are a good person or not. I like to think I am but I don't see myself the way other people do.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 12:44 AM
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That's literally my point. People are envious of people having what they want. It's natural, fighting against it isn't going to stop you from feeling that way. I wouldn't argue that starving people should not be envious of people who are not starving.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 12:43 AM
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I never said having emotions is feminine, but there are ways of expressing emotions and sensitivity that are considered feminine that women can socially punish men for (as can other men). You're pointing out the socialisation that men face that warps the way they express emotions and friendship but you're not seeing the root causes. Yes, men are more likely to bottle up emotions. Why? Because men and women socially punish them for doing so. There's a reason the stoic masculine archetype is the m…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 12:41 AM
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Because I think I am a good guy and I'm single.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 12:28 AM
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And he can't make friends due to his autism/social background.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 12:27 AM
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If I was a starving African, I would envy those who have food. Your point isn't as good as you think it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 12:25 AM
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But men get less than 20% of total matches on Tinder.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 12:25 AM
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I don't think being able to bench heavy weights is the same as physical, sexual, and romantic intimacy. That's like comparing financial security to a toy you got at Christmas.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 12:22 AM
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Because we want intimacy and we would get intimacy much easier if we were women. Therefor, we get envious of them. At least, some of us do.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 12:21 AM
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Over 50% of men on dating websites want a partner, not casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 12:20 AM
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It bothers me that people can get what I want and I can't.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 12:18 AM
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His inability to make friends is a symptom of his autism and/or social background, highly dependent on his experiences and how he was raised. Not sure where sex came from.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 12:17 AM
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I don't think that this fully explains everything because there are plenty of women that want sexual and romantic intimacy despite having lots of friends. Yet they still don't pursue as men are expected to despite this feeling of absence in their lives, they still expect men to do the chasing. You don't get the same thing you get out of a relationship that you do with a friendship. Otherwise, nobody with a good circle of friends would care about a relationship. Physical, romantic, and sexual int…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 12:12 AM
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I never said it was tricking, I said that was the perception of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 12:00 AM
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You seemed to say that good men are scarce before clarifying that good available men are scarce. I was just curious how many available men you think are "good men" and how many married people you think are "good men".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 11:59 PM
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Those are symptoms, not the cause.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 11:57 PM
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As a guy, I don't think there's anything that I like about specifically being a man, although I'm not a masculine person. I literally can't think of a single thing good about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 11:49 PM
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So you think that men who struggle with dating just don't put in enough effort? Has it ever crossed your mind that many people will put in loads of effort and still not succeed?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 11:42 PM
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If that's the case then why aren't women putting equal effort into chasing and dating men than the other way around?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 11:36 PM
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The hate against Red Pill is because of the way that sex is obtained, not the actual sex itself. There's a perception, rightly or wrongly, that red pill/PUA uses manipulative tactics in order to trick a woman to have sex with you. Not saying that's true, but it's the tactics themselves that people point out problems with, not the intention to have casual sex. If a guy is at a bar simply being charming and a woman decides "let's go home together", a vast majority of men and women aren't going to …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 11:25 PM
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Are you scared to touch him too? Flirting goes both ways, you know.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 11:19 PM
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Most guys would want to settle before their mid to late 30's. I don't think the population of women telling guys to not have casual sex is very high at all. It's much more likely to be the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 11:08 PM
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They are his problems through.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 11:05 PM
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He's not a loser for having casual sex, he's a loser if he's incapable of maintaining a deeper relationship. Most guys would like sex with attractive women, but most also want to settle down with a deeper relationship at some point.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 11:01 PM
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I'm just curious what you mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 10:35 PM
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So married men are more likely to be better men than non-married men? What proportion of married men and non-married men would you say are good?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 08:31 PM
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So only 30% of men exhibit traits that make them not good men? So why did you say good men are scarce, when 70% of men are good by that logic?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 08:20 PM
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I'm talking as a proportion of all men generally.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 06:57 PM
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So most men are bad communicators, lack empathy, and don't know or care about their partner's goals and ambitions?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 11:41 PM
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How many matches were you getting?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 11:40 PM
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Men are socialised to put in all the effort during the dating process, while women are socialised to allow the man to pursue. This includes being the provider during this process. It wasn't refusal which changed the social landscape, it was a huge societal push from both men and women to change the strictness of gender roles that women were expected to abide by. The same hasn't been done for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 11:39 PM
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You can survive without shelter.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 11:35 PM
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What did he have that the other matches didn't?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 06:26 PM
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Ok, I will raise it at the Council of Men. We all meet Thursday afternoon at 18:00.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 06:25 PM
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What do you call making somebody do something they wouldn't otherwise do if they knew your intentions?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 06:25 PM
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Where and how did you meet?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 04:29 PM
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I gathered from the context provided by the OP that he was discussing dishonesty in dating because he referenced women deviating from the expectation of dating for their own means and didn't mention how they would clarify they were doing so prior to engaging a man in this manner. I don't think there's only a single purpose to dating, however I do believe that dating has expectations grounded in reality regarding sex and romance. An analogy would be advertising your sofa on a online marketplace w…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 04:27 PM
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You could easily go online and find a partner as a average, boring, introverted women. As a man? Good luck with that. Yes, women have it far easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 04:18 PM
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Dishonesty is the entire point of this post. Dating is an attempt to find a partner yet the scenario posed by OP suggests women doing so for purposes other than the cultural and societal expectation of dating. As such, dishonesty on some level must inherently be involved. Just to get things straight, you don't think that a man convincing a woman that he loves her and wants a LTR just to have sex with her and then ghost her is abusive or coercive? If that's true, then we simply disagree on what t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 04:15 PM
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So what? Not all humans are meant to live in houses, you're not owed shelter despite what the media has convinced you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 04:11 PM
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That's because sex to most men is near enough to a need without it being able to directly kill you (although being sexless can certainly indirectly kill you, just as not having shelter can).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 04:09 PM
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Yes, let me just take this consideration to the Council of Men. Could you give me their address?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 04:07 PM
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Societal features that men contribute to equally. Either way, it's definetly men's fault too.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 04:06 PM
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What would you consider a good man?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 04:04 PM
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Because men have less standards than women. It's why I equally put blame on men for the state of the dating marketplace. They really need to start increasing their standards and stop dating shit women just because their penis tells them too.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 04:04 PM
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So women get paid less because of personal choices they make? That's like saying there's a wage gap between part-time work and full-time work. Of course there is, but both should still be asked to contribute equally. Also, in many countries the younger generation of women are out earning their male counterparts on average, so I think this will change in years to come. Will women still expect men to contribute more to courting despite this? I expect so.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 04:01 PM
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The choice isn't free, it's socialized into us from childhood.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 03:58 PM
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This isn't the 70's anymore. Nerdom IS mainstream. The biggest movies are heavily cemented in geek culture, as are the biggest books and media in general. It makes sense that liking mainstream aspects of the culture will widen the field of those who share those interests. And shared interests are important to most people in long-term relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 03:51 PM
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That's like saying only sex where the woman explicitly says "no" is rape. Coercive sex isn't rape because the woman "willingly" engaged in the interaction by not outwardly refusing to have sex. If you accept your logic, that is.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 03:35 PM
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Your comment is meaningless as you're relying on anecdotal evidence to purport your world view. Statistically, there's a worrying trend of increasing loneliness in men, particularly the young and the old. This is a worsening situation, and pretending it doesn't exist or matter just because you don't personally know anybody suffering in that way is akin to a rich person saying that poor people aren't a problem because they don't know any poor people, or they only know poor people who are happy in…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 03:33 PM
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This is only true if both parties are open and honest with their intentions. Being dishonest with how you view somebody whilst dating them is a form of emotional abuse in the same sense that lying about liking somebody romantically to have sex with them is. Even if it isn't abuse, it is still coercive behaviour that should be shamed. Both of them use deceit in order to extract something from somebody, whether that be more dates or sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 03:28 PM
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I know many. I work primarily with them and most of my work friends are women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 07:08 PM
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Sexlessness is also on the rise, as is adult virginity. The average man only has six sexual partners throughout his entire life, most aren't spending those years between 16-30 having frequent sex. Men who are entirely sexless are around 1 in 3, and those who are single and have sex but not frequently are higher. Most people, men and women, only have frequent sex with their romantic partners, FWBs are not statistically common for the average man. So yes, it does mean they aren't frequently dating…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 12:38 AM
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Not for long, if current trends are correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 08:55 PM
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sexually and romantically Read my comment please.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 07:54 PM
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Because the trends that will develop in the future tend to occur in the younger generations rather than the older generations. Besides, the vast majority of the older single women demographic are 65+. They are more likely to be widowed as women live longer than men on average. Older women are also more likely to not want to date and purposefully take themselves out of the dating market. This is not the same as younger people who are single. Also, trust me, I would definitely have relationships w…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 07:53 PM
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Why do you think that? Because it's far easier for women to have sex. Why do you think they are lying? Many admit that they voluntarily remove themselves from the dating market. Also, it seems that many still have high standards when compared to men who have similar struggles. Why is it so unbelievable to you that not all women have it easy getting sex and relationships? I never said that ALL women have it easy. In fact, the first word in my comment was "most".
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 07:46 PM
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Most of the western world isn't the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 07:43 PM
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Which is irrelevant as I'm talking about trends.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 01:35 AM
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What an embarrassing human being you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 01:34 AM
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Not true, at least amongst the younger generations where the trends are being set. Men are less likely to be romantically and sexually successful than women. https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2020/08/20/a-profile-of-single-americans/
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 01:31 AM
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Most aren't real.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 01:27 AM
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I like how all the people who say "there's more to life than sex and intimacy" are the ones benefitting from sex and relationships. Of course, intimacy is important. It's high on the hierarchy of needs. Why do you need friendships, hobbies, and appreciation for the world, but not intimacy? Romantic and sexual intimacy is just as important if not more important than those facets of life, the fact that you decided it isn't is just arbitrary.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 01:24 AM
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Not throughout the majority of the western world it isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 01:18 AM
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Less and less people, especially men, are doing well sexually and romantically. Why won't this increase when it has been increasing for years?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 01:16 AM
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