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So what I gathered from your comment is that because you've been single your whole life, and not by choice, you feel wholly undesirable as a person, even outside of romantic/sexual contexts. And you feel these effects in your non-romantic social life as well in the form of social isolation. Did I understand that correctly? Yes, thank you. That's a good faith summary of how I feel, honest engagement in spaces like this is pretty rare. I know I'm not the only man who feels like this either.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 02:01 AM
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Think carefully about the differences between your circumstances and mine. A year out from relationships is probably not bad. Never having them is another story. For the sexual element, if you want to have sex, you can go and have that quite easily - I am not judging, just keeping it factual. But MY desire to have sex on the other hand, because it's unwanted, is akin to sexual harassment if I ever were to act on it. I've never been out on a date or had any enjoyable romantic experiences. Nor hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 03:41 AM
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I have observed that you've left two comments, one criticizing women for only considering a tiny fraction of men datable, and the other calling men stupid for not understanding why women only considering a tiny fraction of men datable is perfectly ok. And you know what, I appreciate it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 07:56 PM
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Yes, somewhat. I've dialed it up a little to make the contrast more obvious but that's the right idea. The main observation that a lot of men have made is that unrealistic beauty standards for women have been a frequent talking point that has had a mainstream media impact. Now, women fixating on above 6 ft (supported by dating app data) men who make far higher income than average seems definitionally unrealistic since only a small % of men can meet those requirements. It's my opinion that in a l…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 12:56 AM
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Option 1: Turn the temperature down. Far greater regulation on dating apps. More visibility and activism about what an average man looks like - this mimics what feminists did in the 2000s to 2010s. The ladder got pulled up as soon as men started talking about societal beauty standards. Either the 2010s howling about unfair beauty standards for women isnt social policing (hence this isnt either) or it is and the correct option is... Option 2: Boil it. It may be that beauty standards are unrealist…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 09:56 PM
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The main issue with the question is that this isn't a choice. But just so I'm not giving a non-answer, I'll expand on this. The advice given is "focus on yourself and build yourself up if relationships won't come". I am somebody who fits that description. Re the "giving up" story - my high school experience of a social life was all around miserable. I had more typed out but because I'm aware mods like to delete woe is me content :) I'll just say I engaged in a lot of prosocial behaviors and was …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 09:37 PM
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My point is we're seeing collapses even in monogamous dating structures which presumably women are more interested in.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 05:03 PM
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I have no doubt that social media has seriously exacerbated this problem: It's simply a numbers problem that's causing this failure. People try and nitpick the 80/20 rule but at any given social event the vast majority of the women will be laser fixated on a small portion of the men. To state the obvious, these aren't ratios that can pair up. What this means is that there are plenty of women only chasing after the most desirable men but they won't be able to outcompete other women to get them. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 04:42 PM
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Sorry, some common tropes and narratives my ideology frequently leans on have been highlighted and criticized, so suddenly my memory has been wiped of any context this thread might have. I literally have no idea what you're talking about. It's not fault I have my head bashed in and get a concussion every time a blue pill narrative comes under scrutiny.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 06:37 PM
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It's flu season. I wash my hands incredibly frequently and thoroughly, it's one of the first things I do every time I get back home. I carry a bottle of hand sanitizer with me everywhere I go, use it incredibly often, and always use it immediately after getting off from public transport. I've gotten sick multiple times in the last few months and it hasn't subsided quickly. I have a lot of work to do at the moment which makes this incredibly distressing. This is my vent comment for today.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 04:31 AM
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Well, he highlighted something I have noticed too. It's the change in tone between talking about their dating experiences in most other contexts VS specifically arguing with men talking about some variation of male loneliness. Reminiscing about fun dating and sexual experiences is mutually exclusive with the "actually for western women in developed countries, dating is a horror story" energy that comes out in the latter scenario. It's quite a switch up.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 03:33 AM
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This matches my own observations completely. I've spotted that people actually love gender wars, but only when they feel like they're winning them. And what this means is they'll end up seeking out hugbox spaces in order to provide this excessive validation and sense of "winning" the gender war. It's very rare to find a person who wants to have a gender war discussion on an equal footing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 03:08 AM
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You are literally the only person in this entire thread who kept insisting on bringing up serial killers and felons. The halo effect means identical behaviors will be perceived differently depending on how good looking you are, NOT that sufficiently good looking people can get away with felonies without any social judgment. "Halo effect must mean good looking people can literally get away with murder" is not a reasonable bar to clear and it's completely irrelevant to the role looks play in an av…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 12:43 PM
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Yes. https://www.tiktok.com/@ok.jo.anna/video/7407862822891293998 That's one example that I remember off the top of my head. I gotta give props to this woman for actually trying it and being honest enough to post about her experiences being "Pete". Before somebody else replies nitpicking, the other experiments I've seen all end similarly. But the women who are genuinely willing to think about what it would be like to be a man aren't the ones hurling insults around every time the topic of lonely …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 11:52 PM
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"However, these biases disappear when impressions are based on conversational content lacking audio-visual cues, suggesting that style, not substance, drives negative impressions of ASD." It's literally in the very next sentence. It isn't what is done, it's doing something while autistic that causes the negative impression. Not antisocial behavior as you keep asserting.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 01:10 PM
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Ok, one more time, from the top. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28145411/ Autistic people receive negative thin slice social judgements. "These patterns are remarkably robust, occur within seconds, do not change with increased exposure, and persist across both child and adult age groups", or in other words, occur without them having to do anything. The assertion that autistic men are treated worse as a result of them having engaged in antisocial behavior is completely defeated by the actual sci…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 12:42 PM
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Oh I guess autistic men are just guilty by association then. And, to be clear, none of my comments are strawmen. Because when you push prejudice against a group as a whole like this, ALL the members of that group suffer, regardless of whether they did anything wrong or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 05:33 AM
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That "someone else" would be Lillith. Who keeps making the assumption that autistic men engage in antisocial behavior and that is the main reason they are viewed unfavorably. But making this link between autistic man and vile neckbeard only proves my point about the prejudice. You have this fantasy constructed where women all mask well and THAT'S why they're treated better. But I've seen autistic women's mask slip. When that happens, they are still treated far better than the men who display onl…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 05:31 AM
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It's in your post title, you run with this assumption of "a lot" then never stop to consider how an autistic man who doesnt engage in highly antisocial behavior might face prejudice. Facing prejudice without prior bad behavior would completely shut down your post hence why you leave it out. It's obvious to anyone with critical thinking skills what you're doing, get a grip.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 05:28 AM
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You've just set up a strawman argument of "autism should be used as an excuse for bad behavior" then engaged with that. That argument was never present in my post. But by doing so, you keep making the assumption that all autistic men are guilty of highly anti social behavior. Which demonstrates the exact issue I highlighted in my first comment first paragraph.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 04:56 AM
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Yes, that's right, autistic boys are well known to not be bullied as young children nor suffer any other negative social consequences as a result of their neurodiversity
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 04:19 AM
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So you've described autistic men as unpleasant neckbeards who lack empathy in the title and first paragraph. I'm sure all the blue pillers who profess to care so much about social justice will simply be rushing in here to point out the numerous problems. Wait nevermind The second paragraph has an obvious problem. This group that we KNOW is a magnet for bullying and suffers an incredible amount of social exclusion? Yeah the problem is that society coddles autistic men too much, clearly. There's p…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 03:26 AM
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Thanks for the link, I've seen this woman's face pop up on tiktok in response to the Dr K interview. Yeah it does genuinely annoy me how obviously bad faith the responses are. Yet this is exactly the response everyone expects.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 11:50 PM
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Very vindicating for the criticisms I've made of feminism. https://www.tiktok.com/@healthygamer.gg/video/7596412752604695828?lang=en Recently, Dr K appeared on Steven Bartlett's Diary of a CEO podcast and made comments about societal intervention to help men. Feminists on tiktok honed in on a very specific quote of his, purposefully misinterpreted it to have the worst possible meaning, attempting to defame him and shut down a conversation about male mental health in the process. Now, I've been a…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 08:47 PM
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Yes, I am telling you that a large amount of effort has been exerted into criticizing and mocking men who feel left out because they can't get a relationship. This isn't something peripheral. The core sentiment would generate outrage if expressed by a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 09:54 PM
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Poking fun at another group has always been the norm in comedy and he was never close to being mean-spirited. Comedy would instantly grind to a halt if people took issue with this. Ordering and paying for food in a restaurant means you are entitled to be served. The underlying theme that runs through the whole tiktok is that she should be served food, or in other words should be given a relationship. This sentiment would be heavily criticized if expressed by a man, not least of all because it fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 09:14 PM
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No. That clip is very different from the tiktok I linked. 1) There's humor and that's the primary focus. There's, at best, minimal humor in the tiktok I linked. He's looking to make the audience laugh, she's looking for sympathy. 2) He never implies he deserves anything. She does. The purpose, tone, and focus of those two clips are entirely different. A more apt comparison would be Dr K's appearance on Diary of a CEO where he talked about isolated men and the response from social media was to de…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 07:44 PM
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Nah. I've watched men get absolutely dragged for saying much less when talking about isolation.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 06:16 PM
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One of the points that I've brought up frequently here is that we interpret women's complaints about dating far more favorably than we do men's, even if they said something that a man would come under heavy criticism for. This tiktok came across my fyp recently and I think it's an excellent example of this. I would invite you all to consider how feminist tiktok would react if a man were to say that being single into your 30s is like ordering food at a restaurant and having the waiters not bring …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 05:26 PM
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Hi, good to have a message from you again and I hope you're well 😀 I've been posting on here way less but I'm still lurking. Unfortunately it's difficult to justify taking the time to engage with a lot of the content I see posted here now
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 08:15 PM
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Re the following: Less open to the POV of others, Win at all costs “rules for thee, not for me", Ruthlessness, Discompassionate I would argue these aren't conservative leaning at all. Liberal spaces invariably end up having heavy censorship and have a lot of purity tests, which definitionally means they're less open to the PoV of others. At the very top, ie governmental level, I won't argue against Trump being more ruthless than Kamala Harris. But I don't interact with people at that level, I in…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 08:08 PM
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She's in her early 20s too, genuinely HOW do you even get to that weight
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 02:14 PM
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I'm aware of the goomba fallacy. If a group has zero observable in-fighting over this opinion AND the two contradictory opinions when applied together would conveniently let the group have its cake and eat it too then the goomba fallacy isn't applicable.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 02:27 PM
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You wouldn't want to join a group that thinks you have zero social skills or empathy either.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 03:41 PM
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This doesn't refute any of the points I made. Building community is a collective effort and requires the ability to welcome men. Radical ideological spaces have put in a lot of effort to make themselves appealing to socially isolated men. Moderate spaces have been astonishingly lazy in this regard and we can already see the results of this play out. I'm just being pragmatic. You might feel that men should just fix it all themselves, but the manosphere is already heavily involved in the conversat…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 02:26 PM
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No. Both men and women are far warmer to women socially. This isn't something cisgender women are constantly made aware of but it is very obvious to men. As evidence of this, trans men often say they have a really hard time adjusting to people being far colder to them when meeting for the first time. Now, there are good reasons why people are more cautious with men but you need to accept that this is an obstacle men have to deal with that women don't have to. It makes perfect sense why men would…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 01:32 PM
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At a certain point you have to admit some guys aren't going to be the "hook up guy" in any case though, extrovert or introvert. It's true that personality impacts outcomes, but experiences shape personality. Somebody who gets invited places, and has people eager to make connections with them is obviously going to find socializing more rewarding than somebody who has the opposite experience. If you set up an experiment where Group A attended a party with women who were receptive to their advances…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 02:30 AM
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We're much better in how we talk to men about preferences and standards. Yes, you can go for whoever you want. But when an unattractive man wants to exclusively date the most beautiful women, sooner or later somebody usually pulls him aside and tells him "Listen bud, you've got to be more realistic, it isn't happening". He gets confronted with the fact that these women are either not interested or only responding to him when they want some kind of favor. The problem is very apparent. We're watch…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 12:21 PM
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Yeah, this is fair. If the son was guaranteed to be all 3 of handsome, athletic, and neurotypical then I'm less concerned about gender. But obviously none of these things are guaranteed and we are very unkind to men who aren't at least 2/3.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 02:01 AM
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I'm fine with being male. I'm comfortable with who I am. Now, having said that, if somebody I cared about was having a child, in order for that child to have the best possible life I would hope they'd have a daughter. Just for the greater social inclusion and support shown to women alone, I think it's worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 01:39 AM
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An incredibly prescient blog post, I remember reading it for the first time and feeling like he'd figured something out that very few people are able to put into words accurately. He essentially predicted a manosphere content boom right before it happened, clearly pointed to behavior that poured gasoline on the fire, explained exactly the problem with that behavior, and predicted an anti feminist backlash from young men. And the crazy thing is people will still play dumb about it, when Scott Ale…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 01:11 AM
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I think complaining about broke men has gotta be in there. Wealthy people have their own social circles, and don't have difficulty meeting other wealthy people. Which means I can only interpret it as "I need a man to earn enough for both of us".
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 08:01 PM
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The men that women chase after are vetting them. The winners are coupling up with other winners. Two highly paid corporate jobs are better than one and because women are now present at elite institutions and companies they pair off with the men there. My point is that high standards can only come from winners. The dating scene at the average level is that average women have most of the power, but highly desirable men pair off quickly with highly desirable women. If you don't run in the race, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 11:41 PM
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Much of your post focuses of division of chores. I think this is a drop in the bucket of what makes a relationship work and it can be fixed just with a decent conversation. When I was back in college, people weren't doing their chores and the accommodation we were staying in told us that our flat's kitchen was kinda messy. We then got together, drew up a rota for who did what on which day, and had basically zero problems for the rest of the year. So there was a problem and one meeting went about…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 10:13 PM
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As far as -pillers go I think I am more moderate than most. Even so, I'm still fucked. The more prestigious white collar jobs don't want you to have a big social media presence at all. Even "Day in the life of a [insert name of large bank/law firm/tech company] trainee" style content gets them bothered. I will say, I think that's fair on their end, because they don't want people acting like a clown on social media with their name attached. In any case, the smaller your digital footprint the bett…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 07:47 PM
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I'd forgotten how quickly colds spread around at this time of year. Yuck
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 07:20 PM
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Yes. It's not because of the experience itself, it's because it's better to learn and make minor mistakes while you're young and there's almost zero consequence. It's also because men get hit with the stigma of being a virgin damn early and it's better to not be in that position. My first week in college one of my flatmates made a point of asking the others whether they'd dated/had sex before, and while I didn't think much of it at the time, she was definitely trying to figure out social status.…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 11:46 PM
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If we're being real, it's just them working backwards from the real position which is that they don't like autistic men. Them posting what they do just flows downstream from this.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 11:31 PM
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Women having greater safety concerns re dating is a fair point. "most guys not having much grace for fat women" is not a good point though since being fat is a result of lifestyle choices and men get judged on a whole range of traits we're just stuck with permanently. It's really not a big deal to eat healthier and go jogging occasionally.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 11:03 PM
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The passport bro topic does interest me. I'm not in agreement with all the talking points but one thing I will say is that the weight issue has become really obvious in the West. People are really heavy and still in their 20s now, when that's the age it's easiest to stay slim at. This issue isn't nearly as widespread in most places abroad, even in many developed countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 09:32 PM
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My parents. I've had to deal with a lot of rough breaks socially and despite getting into and graduating from a good university the rest of the world has tried its hardest to leave me up the creek without a paddle. I decided to get some more qualifications and made some real progress this last year, which was only possible because they believed in me.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 09:48 PM
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Aside from the obvious, the implication that they must talk about sex is hilarious. Sex with their bf isn't interesting to talk about, but they're too sex obsessed to talk about the other infinity minus one topics that could be discussed, so they have to talk about sex they've had with other men instead. So much for it not being that important.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 05:57 PM
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I have also noticed this and agree with the sentiment that you can't defend everyone, but I think this is something that is foisted on men rather than voluntarily chosen. Frequently on this sub I will make a pro male point or see somebody else do so, then watch as another commenter cherry picks an example of somebody who's pretty much unsalvageable in response as though this somehow defeats the main point. Yeah there's a balance that needs to be met of standing up for the in-group but naturally …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 04:44 PM
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Way too much goodwill has been burned through at this point, and men have also seen how women talk about them when they're not around. The internet definitely highlights reasons why you need to have some in-group bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 04:19 PM
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Even the oldest gen z have grown up with smartphones and social media being established before we even hit puberty, and dating apps and "hook up culture" already being normalized before the age of 18.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 05:31 PM
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They don't say this face to face, but you have to bear in mind there's some number of people who have these opinions but won't express them without anonymity
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 12:25 AM
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This is kind of why going to places like Japan is such a shocking experience because despite it being a developed country, the vast majority of people there are slim. In the West it is appalling how many people are fat, even when they're still in their 20s
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 12:13 AM
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It's a terrible situation really since we're all incredibly materialistic yet trying to get a decent wage from employers is like trying to get blood out of a stone.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 12:08 AM
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Just got done with a rough set of exams last week, so I checked back in here and confirmed this place has somehow only gotten drier in content. Brutal
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 04:14 PM
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He looks like he is in his late 40s, that is what I'd guess with no context. But based on how you're asking us to guess his age I'm gonna assume he is younger and looks rough for his age.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 11:05 PM
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Well, yeah. When I was younger I tried to take the "sex isn't everything" approach, I found that sooner or later this ends up crashing and burning. No sex means no relationship, no starting a family, the list goes on. We can argue ad infinitum but its importance can never be trivialized. Sex is tougher to get for men than before social media. So because a portion of men can't get sex, and that portion is larger than it has been for a long time, they're going to get stuck on thinking about sex li…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 08:17 PM
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I'm not saying things couldn't be better on this sub, but I also think it's in its end stages and it's going to grind down altogether sooner or later
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 02:55 AM
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Precisely. If anything I think it's better that guys now are generally (except this user, obviously) more willing to post that they're not okay and incredibly unhappy with their life, rather than being pushed into these sort of ridiculous mental gymnastics
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 12:38 AM
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When I read posts like this from that sub, almost without exception the user is screaming in agony on another sub about their loneliness and misery. Which is like, yeah.. I get it, but it's very bad to fish for validation from that sub's userbase. In this case he has his post history hidden, but I can see this account is incredibly inactive throughout the last few years and I can only find a few comments on posts on other subs that don't make up the entire post count by themselves. So I'm guessi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 12:08 AM
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Precisely, the strategy is more of a "Press any key to start" kind of situation
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 05:02 AM
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The observations I'm making here are: Her main insecurity seems to be that she's fat. But nobody is forcing her to be fat, when you're young, the weight just melts off if you exercise. Not to mention that for Americans, "normal" actually means chubby, which means that "fat" actually means REALLY fat. The pathway to her not being the thing she didn't want to be was pretty clear (losing weight). She realizes that women hold all the cards in dating. Incels wouldn't disagree with her here. Notice ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 04:47 AM
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You know what, fair. I still think women act like they've been hit below the belt every time the topic comes up, whereas men much less so
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 06:54 PM
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They are genuinely eating their cake and having it too, at this point in time. Men's racial preferences still get criticized, and we all have to shut up and not say anything when women express theirs. I think it's legitimate to have racial preferences in dating... as long as you don't go full denialism under criticism.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 06:14 PM
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I think the "who masks better" thing may be a bad train of thought since it's too collectivist - if you're a high masking autistic man, is it relevant to your behavior that there are more low functioning men than women who can't mask at all? The gender war between who masks better would suggest that it is. But evidently the reality is that the autism spectrum is massive and individuals can be very different in how high functioning they are. The root of the gripe that high functioning autistic me…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 06:01 PM
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Yes, that's the point, nobody injected the word "toxic" into the conversation until you came along and assumed that socializing with neurodiverse people would be toxic.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 12:29 AM
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Again, the fact that you're equating being neurodiverse to being toxic is emblematic of the problem. The "change" made to fix the OP's example is more verbal communication rather than non-verbal. That's it. Not exactly a Herculean task, then everyone is happier, INCLUDING the neurotypical people.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 12:19 AM
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A group of very individualistic people are going to make for a shit time building a community though. Of course, being more community focussed in response just means the individualistic people reap the benefits. When you have a bunch of people who won't compromise on anything, no agreements get made, and they continue to just sit around lonely and miserable.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 12:10 AM
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But that isn't what is being asked. The OP isn't asking anyone to act as a medical professional. He is pointing out that it is hypocritical to take the position of being pro mental health and neurodiversity awareness, which incidentally necessarily requires greater social acceptance, then proceed to intentionally kick neurodiverse men out of their social circle by punishing social awkwardness to a far greater extent than is necessary. For neurodiverse people, the final stage of grief, acceptance…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 11:55 PM
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Speculating that one group may have it easier than another group, is not the same as shitting on the former group
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 10:38 PM
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It really shows up on her face and it looks incredibly rough, she's slightly younger than I am but looks older. There's a racial element to this which means I'll tread carefully. As white people we have to be more careful out in the sun than other people do. We should also really start carrying umbrellas with us outside when it's sunny to shield from the suns rays. This whole activity of spending way too much time out in the sun, not lathering up in sunscreen despite needing to, and using tannin…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 04:08 AM
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There's a lot of things that are done deliberately that aren't difficult to avoid though. Men's mental health is treated incredibly unseriously - young men are isolated and suffering, and people are comfortable mocking this and saying they don't give a fuck. It would've cost them nothing to not do this. Secondly, there are cultural shifts which have deliberately made the decision to stop men from benefitting from them. Questioning men's beauty standards for women is now the norm. Questioning wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 03:16 AM
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With regards to your first paragraph, a lot of rhetoric here doesn't focus on solving problems. It's about signalling status. Only being able to have sex if it is paid for, undeniably signals low status, hence why the posters here are against sex work. All cards on the table, I am seriously considering just buying sex, and disingenuous busybodies play no part in my decision. The relevant follow up question re sex trafficking concerns is whether they would still be against buying sex if it were c…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 04:19 PM
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It does interest me what reddit chooses to hyperfixate on. I won't attempt to defend every "nice guy" reddit wants to put in the pillory for the day. However, it is undeniably true that being attractive is inversely correlated to how likely a person is to be called "entitled" or a "nice guy". We're not nearly as harsh on the demands and expectations of at least somewhat attractive people, even if they are also being totally unreasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 06:17 PM
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So to be clear, you commented that being a virgin is actually something to be ashamed of and that virgin shaming doesn't exist but also that women are right to judge men negatively because of it. You then watched as you got flooded with downvotes while the commenter you were responding to pointed out the obvious flaws in your argument with very little effort. You'd clearly lost the argument, and the average person on this sub saw your take as poorly reasoned. But because you're a manly man, you …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 09:20 PM
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So you made this thread because you were butthurt at a perceived social slight. Ok. That's not a red flag.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 08:11 PM
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Can we leave the virgins alone already? No, these posters absolutely need the punching bag, it's literally the main reason why they're here. Of course, the people who are manipulative and low in morality are likely not late virgins. These are the people a reasonable person would most want to stay away from. So the OP's "reasonable discernments" actually completely miss the whole point of filtering out others. But this isn't about being reasonable, it's about punching down and figuring out a way …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 08:09 PM
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1) Learn to type like an adult instead of a child having a sugar rush please. You have grammar and spell checkers, use them. 2) You might be "tired of every guy in this sub going around being like women are evil for not dating men or any other bs" but the cure to this is to close reddit. Nobody is forcing you to be here. 3) Women are indeed under a higher degree of risk than men are in the casual dating scene, fine, I accept this. You also have access to cheap contraception which you are welcome…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 04:37 AM
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Yep, longterm loneliness is genuinely a killer, and the roughest part is that ultimately it's not a problem you can just solo grindset your way out of
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 11:57 PM
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Yeah I mean the men here have sat down, tried to explain very carefully what their loneliness feels like and how it can occur despite not being a bad person. The responses either don't get it or intentionally misinterpret things. Just better to accept they won't know what it's like at this point
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 11:43 PM
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I was watching some instructional videos from the law course provider I'm studying at. The lady in the video pronounced the word "indictable" wrong. Similar to "In dickt able". I was actually furious.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 09:58 PM
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Yeah I mean my plan is earn enough then geomaxx/passportbro to success. Best of luck, I think some countries are a lot more ok with late bloomers than others.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 08:19 PM
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For me, my close friends have stopped asking because they know I'm past the point of no return regarding normiedom. I'm not the only one like this either. At 27, I can confirm it never feels any better. But the panic of "I can still have a normal uni life if everything happens right now" that I had at 19 to 20 is long gone. Eventually people do stop asking but obviously they never stop judging.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 08:09 PM
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They really did this to themselves. The time to say something was when women were making endless posts about men's height across all social media. Could've done something about it then. Now men are so worn out from hearing about height from women they've decided they want to maximize their odds of having tall kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 09:28 AM
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Exactly this. There's not a lot of other ways of explaining the difference between the "nobody is entitled to anything and it's sink or swim" attitude directed at beauty standards and gender expectations for men, while beauty standards and gender expectations for women are treated with the utmost seriousness and there's apparently a duty on society to rectify them. Feeling inherently better than the people they're saying the first message to is the only way to reach this incongruity.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 08:41 PM
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The testosterone level drops so the sex drive drops too. But old men still have wives they can enjoy the company of and love. His question wasn't solely about penis in vagina sex intercourse
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 08:36 PM
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Then the next best thing is figure out how to make enough money so that buying it is not a problem. But tbh we know that most men who are perma single end up just giving up.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 08:34 PM
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If I had absolute knowledge of the future and that I'd never date or have sex then I'd give up right now, if that answers your question. There's other things I want, but sex is a non-negotiable part of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 08:26 PM
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Realistically, only the thought that he might start dating successfully in the future, that's about it
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 08:12 PM
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Single with no hookups, completely dry for years? 9 or 10 With hookups, probably drops to like a 4 at most. If it's like a year or two where he's already dated and is in between relationships, maybe like a 5 or 6 depending on the guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 08:09 PM
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For one thing I think you can say almost any insult you want, except for the following which I'll outline in this paragraph. But when you insult somebody you reveal your own values too. Let's push this to the extreme, if somebody yells racial slurs at another person, would you take them seriously if they said they weren't racist and thought this would be the best way to rattle the other person? The obvious answer is of course not. The fact of the matter is they thought that race was something to…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 10:47 PM
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It's unfortunate, really. Kamala Harris wasn't part of the left wing culture war warriors who have been utterly insufferable since the 2010s, aggressively shoving young men out of formerly moderate spaces into radical ones. The short overview is that women have mainstream spaces with which they can discuss beauty standards directed towards women by men, can discuss gender specific issues without being shut down, and have significantly better social support shown to them in general. Not only do m…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 10:20 PM
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It has been on my mind how being slim is considered, by many on PPD, a very demanding task. In a lot of countries, being slim is the baseline. Much of the world looks in shock at the kind of weight Americans have normalized.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 08:11 AM
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It's highly possible. I think the whole discussion about n count is a direct response to the glorification of fucking around. There's also some weird cognitive dissonance going around with "men shouldn't care about sexual experience" but also virgin, incel, etc are the go-to insults. And they'll come up with some reason why they hold these two contradictory views but never change the actual behavior. I think it's fairly safe to say there's people who enjoy pouring gasoline on the fire so that th…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 01:54 AM
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This is vaguely related to the talk about insecurities. Once you're past the age of about 20, the toxic bro culture of virgin shaming kinda just vanishes. The vast majority of virgin shaming into adulthood is done by heavily left leaning groups who won't shut up about incels and how no sex = bad personality and defective person. For all this talk about male insecurity being bad, these same people spend a great deal of time treating sex as a status symbol and stoking the exact same behavior they …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 12:46 AM
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You CAN use logic to arrive at many of the positions women hold on this sub. The missing piece of the puzzle is that oftentimes the assumption that there's an objective social hierarchy and the men here are lower than the women is baked into their responses. There's logical sense if you understand this opinion. I have also noticed a love of Himbos (handsome but unintelligent men). To illustrate my point, I have posted an image below. The context is that in 2013, Organizing for Action, which advo…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 08:07 PM
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I'm still trying to gauge what proportion of PPD/"pill"sphere reddit opinions are genuine outliers and what proportion are opinions that people hold but need anonymity to say out loud. Bloops will rush to tell me "It's just reddit bro, everyone irl is normal and dating fine", but from what I can see they are NOT, and social trends don't support this either. -pill content has surged in popularity for a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 05:10 PM
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At the same time, I assume you concede that looking at the 2018 GSS figure as an arbiter of truth for estimating not even undesirability but even just the question it directly asked is putting a lot of stock into one outlier figure Yeah, I'll clarify. I'm fine with looking at a variety of sources for data. It's very possible a spike or dip in one survey isn't representative of the population as a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 04:32 PM
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With women glued to social media, where the algorithms show them men who are significantly more attractive than average and present this as normal, I'm concerned that men are increasingly going to feel "settled for". Not a thought that makes me comfortable, to say the least
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 04:12 PM
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I didn't respond to your previous comment because I didn't end up receiving the notification for it until the next day. We saw a trend over about 10 years of rising sexlessness, with this number going down immediately post pandemic. The General Social Survey itself specifically warned against leaping to conclusions uncritically about disruptions to historical trends: Changes in opinions, attitudes, and behaviors observed in 2021 and 2022 relative to historical trends may be due to actual change …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 03:18 PM
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Tbh it's irritating how we have all this data about rising sexlessness, more men being single than ever before, and all the information about dating apps, but it just gets ignored or claimed that it was "debunked" when what actually happened was at best it was mildly nitpicked. Personal anecdotes are simply unbeatable, it seems.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 02:16 PM
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Yeah, I agree. The other element re "social skills" is social invitations and opportunities are heavily influenced by sexual attractiveness. Already attractive people get invited places, the ones who are getting given the "it's all about confidence bro" speeches don't. Like Reasonable_Mouse said, there's a compounding factor here.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 06:20 AM
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Yes, you've accurately spotted a number of cultural issues at play here. I think there's somewhat more of a Western vs Eastern divide here, ie more than just America but it may be true that America is the most extreme example. I think acceptance of high functioning autistic people will often work by acceptance of traditionally nerdy traits that indicate autism. Enjoying things like anime is much more normal in Asia, and even intense special interests are not quite as frowned upon. In other words…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 10:30 AM
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The "just be liberal bro" or "1ncels are 1ncels because they're far right wing" crowd have gotta just throw in the towel and give up at this point
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 10:59 PM
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Exactly! The room isn't the problem, the room is fit for purpose. The room exists because of the world outside the room. Adding more things to this room won't change what really matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 07:32 PM
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rhetorical smackdowns on reddit are literally the only place in the world where I have ever seen people act like sex and relationships are comparable to luxury goods I think this is probably what really rubs me the wrong way, I know it's a rhetorical smackdown angle and not a genuinely held belief. Expecting men to not adjust their goals or decisions in response is just bizarre. Chinese netizens are howling with laughter every time somebody here describes the idea of starting a family as some fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 07:20 PM
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For a perennially single man, literally this meme <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 05:07 PM
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You know I think what irks me about the "You're not entitled to anything!" posts is that they come across incredibly entitled themselves. Provided they play within the rules, men are completely within their rights to adjust their behavior to their environment. Men who can't deal well with being single will downsize their life - low earnings, low costs. Men who can deal with it will be high earners then "geomaxx", bringing back attractive women from less economically developed countries. Both of …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 04:43 PM
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https://preview.redd.it/rhm1yeq3eyqf1.png?width=640&format=png&auto=webp&s=76e72a36a7845e2508a90430788892fc8b732f90 That's the screenshot. "Men" doesn't mean "all men without exception", it just means "man" (plural). Men can be smart and men can be dumb. Men can be loved and men can be told "they are not attracted to you", they aren't the same men. The screenshot is fine, it's a question of categorization.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 06:02 PM
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Yes and that depends on WHICH man is in question, the men know which category they're in
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 05:55 PM
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The true misandrist content is uncommon. Not as uncommon as I would like it to be but uncommon nonetheless. The extremes I'm talking about don't concern hating all men, it's about which category the man is in. The question you raised was whether it's only creepy old men who are told to not approach. I'm telling you there's plenty of young men who are in this category of "don't approach me" as well, more so than before.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 05:51 PM
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I don't just see one thing, I see both extremes. Women are incredibly lustful after SOME men. They also spend a lot of effort in deterring others. There's likely some recall bias going on here because the latter message isn't intended for you. The men are very aware of which camp they're in.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 05:22 PM
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This image right here. The image you've posted seems to cut through the lower portion of each of the confidence bars. This supports other data such as from Pew Research which showed a rising number of single men. It is true that the GSS showed a decrease in sexlessness after the Covid pandemic. This struck me as odd because that doesn't match with the observations any human has made post pandemic. I examined what might have caused this discrepancy, and found that they had made serious changes to…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 05:12 PM
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I think things used to be 5-10% chased after, then somewhere between 10-20% told to leave women alone. This meant like 75% of men were in the middle and is consistent with what I could see in the General Social Survey about sexlessness in the 90s. With social media causing unrealistic expectations the "ew, no" portion has risen to at least 30% from what I can see from the data and that's assuming everyone is honest about being part of the "ew, no" group, which they won't be.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 04:29 PM
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Younger men get sent this message a lot. Face to face it's less direct, but women are blasting this message online at full volume and they know it's for a younger audience, as you'd expect when you post something on reddit, tiktok, etc. It isn't just intended for 50s+ old men trying to talk to women half their age.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 04:13 PM
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There's a portion of men who are chased after, and there's a portion of men who are told they're not attractive and should leave women alone. The chunk in the middle is not nearly as large as people like to pretend.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 04:07 PM
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The problem with saying "do not seem to believe in healing", regarding people who gave therapy or antidepressants a fair try and reported back negatively of them, is that it's a complete conversation ender. You can't really ask more of somebody than to give these things a try with an open mind. Any further than that is effectively demanding a positive evaluation which is absolutely not how this works lol. A lot of people find therapy ineffective and antidepressants actively harmful. You're going…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 09:33 AM
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And you see how men having to continually put the work in, and then watching it all crumble down is the worse deal? Granted there are men who just want sex but there are plenty of men who are looking for relationships too. When women search for men, it's less effort intensive. Importantly, the woman is aware that she is desired throughout this whole process. Men often aren't desired at all, and have to deal with years of only being told they're unattractive, then somehow figure out how to keep t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 09:38 AM
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From your other comment: "I date women as well and they don’t do this shit" My definition of dating successfully is going out on a date without being immediately rejected.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 09:16 AM
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Men can get strung along too, and it's not unheard of for this to be done in a manipulative fashion. This happens in real life, but I think the most egregious examples are online. Online influencer women aiming for men to develop parasocial relationships with them has proven to be an enormously profitable strategy. Men even know they're being baited, and then fall for it anyway. Think carefully about what this implies about the modern man - somebody who was shown even a small amount of affection…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 09:03 AM
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I think this is what irritates me somewhat about the dating app conversation. The retort given regarding women only liking a small % of men is that they all like different men. To my eye the women's preferences seem quite uniform, and the men have more variety in what they find attractive. It's why dating is feast or famine for men, and the women are so adamantly convinced that men have all these dating options. The dynamic between short women and short men seems very odd to me. Do the short wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 07:57 AM
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Very true. I think you can extend the normal age range of losing virginity to probably the first year of college. Obviously, men should self-improve. The issue is with reddit trying to normalize the idea that men should go off and do some personal grind in order to be worthy of love and affection. A man having zero experience in his 20s and trying to "self improve" out of this situation is a sign that something has already gone wrong and the ship for normiedom has sailed. People can call this si…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 09:37 AM
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Reading up on your other comments, it can take a long time to go back to "normal" after quitting a prescription drug. When I quit SSRIs it took months before I started to snap out of it. This isn't uncommon either; they don't really warn people about this before they start taking these drugs. I wouldn't doom too hard about still feeling powerless even 8 weeks out, it can get better.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 07:50 AM
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Then show it. I'm not seeing critical thinking skills here
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 01:14 AM
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Exactly this. Disney has nothing to do with why people are surprised about women admitting they don't view or approach romance like a Disney movie. The truth is that nobody is surprised women don't view things that way. Growing up everyone knew a boy who was taller than the rest, who obviously had anger management issues and gave off blatant red flags, but was also never short of attention from the girls. I mean, we all had eyes and ears and could see and hear how women talked about dating. It's…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 12:50 AM
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Yeah people are NOT aware of the potential negative effects of SSRIs. I say this as somebody who started taking them in 2023. It's more than just sexual dysfunction too. I'd just lay in bed and not do anything, then feel nothing. This was particularly bad because my main reason for taking them was I hoped they'd help me function, then SSRIs basically had me acting like I was on low battery 24/7. Anyway I stopped taking them roughly a year ago. Their negative effects stopped eventually but it was…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 11:48 PM
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It's a c0pe, yes I agree. The correct version of the statement is "There are bad boys who get all the ladies. There are kind and hard working men who don't." When people start with the whole nice guy narrative, I tend to switch off because the conversation is already unsalvageable.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 10:50 PM
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A thought experiment is: If many more men started going to bars and clubs then approaching women, would the women love it or hate it? The obvious answer is they'd hate it. Men stopped approaching at bars because they weren't wanted, the article seems to get cause and effect mixed up.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 06:36 PM
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YEP. It's very odd because there's multiple users here who love to give the "touch grass and be normal" speech, but I can plainly see by how long they spend on reddit and how they interact with other people here that they're strange people. I have some awareness in that I know how I often come across on here. But they don't seem to be aware the rest of us can see how obvious their psychological complexes are.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 06:17 PM
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Something similar I've been thinking about is that we only really talk to men about having unreasonable expectations for women. We don't do the reverse. You can see this reflected in how people react to criticism of their beauty standards. When men get told they're expecting too much from women and that their physical standards are too high, people don't even flinch. It's seen as a very reasonable discussion to have. Personally to me it's not that big of a deal since I'd been getting sent this m…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 05:53 PM
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Well, I think 20-somethings are genuinely getting squeezed out economically now. I agree with the entitlement comment - when you ask a zoomer how much a good salary is, they're going to say some shit like 200K while being nowhere near that value in terms of the work they can provide. It doesn't help that people lie compulsively about their salaries now. I can't prove that all of the guys in their 20s who claim to promptly earn 6 figure salaries after college without going to a target school are …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 12:02 AM
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There's some advice that exclusively works for Chad. I'm gonna be honest, for men who are average or below, and out of their college years where these kinds of tricks are more likely to work, I think there's a real high chance she just calls you inconsiderate then looks elsewhere. I think there's high odds a guy who is mid 20s and above ends up looking real foolish if he tries this.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 02:14 AM
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Men my age will be getting lectured in around a decade or so about issues we were flagging up many years prior. It's going to be extraordinarily tiresome. I'm less "concerned" and more just irritated. Personally I'm not cool with how we're watching society get isolated and furious at each other. I get that people are drawn to these kind of discussions for schadenfreude, it's just gonna take a minute for them to realize they're gonna be miserable too.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 11:33 PM
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They don't understand it's going to be them though. By the time they do, there's not a lot that can be done. The main point is, if you're perturbed by whining now, you really haven't seen anything yet. I'm advising you to get used to it and then some. This is just how things are gonna be, it seems.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 03:44 PM
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I'd avoid falling into the trap of thinking that men are whining then sitting around doing nothing else. You can work on self improvement and later on that evening whine on reddit. To the point of "a bunch of people are going to live and die single", yeah. There's an iceberg straight ahead when it comes to hetero dating. By the time some of the women realize that their realistic options have been isolated for so long, it's pretty much unfixable though. If you think people are whining now, it's g…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 05:26 AM
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No. The truth about the blue pill, the modern one not the out of touch boomer view, is that it is not a happy-go-lucky ideology. It's one that demands you stop noticing certain things and stop discussing them. It doesn't really help men, it kinda just demands they believe "be kind and the dates will come", then cudgels them if they question this. If you're a guy looking for dating advice because you're unsuccessful, the blue pill just world fallacy is going to be at your expense.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 04:30 AM
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Don't you dare suggest that women have an easier time dating though
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 12:20 AM
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Yeah I found I needed to be working towards some kind of goal to feel better. The whole talking it over thing just felt useless
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 11:35 PM
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Yeah, I'm interpreting "Go to therapy" as a substitute for "Shut the fuck up" in many contexts
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 11:20 PM
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From somebody who's given therapy a shot, I will never understand the sheer glaze for it. I have walked out of every session thinking I'd just wasted some time, and feeling no better than before.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 11:15 PM
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Yeah but it's been like that for a long time so no change, it wasn't like the antidepressants actually made me feel better. I'm able to function better right now than I was on the meds, but I don't like advising other people on what they should do.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 10:01 PM
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Last year I came off antidepressants, because I hated the effect they were having on me. I started taking them because I wanted help to push through and get more work done, but they completely sapped my energy and motivation and I still felt shitty. Anyway, it's doable. The brain zaps and headaches for well over a week weren't fun. There were some effects that lasted longer, so it was a bit of grind. Just make sure you're keeping your doctor in the loop, the only reason I decided to go cold turk…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 09:57 PM
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It's the whole sub, it's just them seething with anger. Look at all the other recent posts too. Old people dating is totally fine, godspeed. But at that age you have to be pleasant to be around, my intuition is telling me they're not masking these kind of feelings very well.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 09:31 PM
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Tbh if you've gone 40 years before "blooming", might as well go another 40 as opposing to dealing with that kind of bitterness. Dudes in their age range with no kids will have a good amount of disposable income, if they want sex they can get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 09:04 PM
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God damn that's a crazy clip. He's kinda handsome, I agree. For HER to reject him on the basis of looks, she definitely needs to look in a mirror. Yeah, there might be some "you can't fire me, I quit!" going on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 09:37 PM
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Put bluntly we're in a post natural selection world. Natural selection tests for survival skills and genetic fitness, to be talking about this in an air conditioned theatre on a netflix special where you're aiming for claps rather than laughs is out of touch to say the least. Should we leave behind comedians who don't get enough laughs out of their audience too? I wonder.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 10:42 PM
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It's reasonable to state that autistic males and females wouldn't act identically. However, it's also true that there's massive variation in how individual people with autism act. I'm less interested in the more obvious unmasked low functioning cases. I think the academic context you mentioned is a good setting to make observations. And quite frankly in my experience, the men on the spectrum have been more rudely abrasive and completely disconnected from caring about social graces than the women…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 08:18 PM
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"I’m not particularly interested in listening to the excuse of oh he’s autistic" There is nobody in this whole thread making that argument. I'm certainly not making it. The argument about whether autistic men, the whole group, face unwarranted negative treatment socially does not hinge on whether the OP of this reddit thread is a good or bad person.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 04:38 AM
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He is also demanding that women make special efforts for men who are autistic. That last part? That’s really offensive. I'm aware there are problems with his post,I'm suggesting what are in my view stronger arguments, that won't come across in such a bad way. Cannot you not see how that lands entirely differently than lamenting the shittyness of struggling with a disability? Well there's zero point in me beating around the bush here. A lot of the struggles the guys here speak about aren't intern…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 02:51 AM
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I'm seeing a lot of "interesting" replies here. OP, I think you can make a stronger argument by comparing the rates of relationship success between autistic men and women, autistic women have a significantly higher success rate than the men do. This shows it isn't inherent, there's negative sentiments aimed specifically at the men. We can also compare the relationship success rates between autism and other neurodivergence. Again, we can see that autism is punished particularly harshly. I think a…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 09:30 PM
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No, we don't use stats as crutches, we use stats so we have a more accurate view of the whole picture, instead of relying on personal anecdotes.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 08:42 PM
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Dude, you said "most autistic men I know", he then linked statistics that showed a more comprehensive picture of the lives of autistic men. Don't be bad faith
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 08:36 PM
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To share my perspective on this, I think the mobile phone has been instrumental in creating this isolated dynamic. Back in the day I'm assuming that party plans travelled by word of mouth and people would just invite whoever was around, this was useful in building a community. What the mobile phone does is let somebody send off one single message and it's done. Consequentially somebody is either part of the "in-group" or they are cut out with surgical precision. When I was a teenager (which was …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 11:44 PM
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I'm not red pill but considering the people I end up arguing with usually end up being blue pill I'll answer here: No. I have re-evaluated my own viewpoints independently but there has never been a point where I've thought "damn this blue piller really has a point here". The viewpoint that dating is fine actually and it's just personality or morals that result in men being unsuccessful in dating has long been dead in the water. I was told only a small minority of men struggled with dating. Resea…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 09:38 PM
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No, the pew survey has never been debunked nor explained away, nor have the rates of single men and women been similar. We've had users nibble away at the edges and try to provide explanations that account for some of the very large difference, but they've never genuinely done what they set out to do. The average man in his 20s is having a very difficult time dating and the data shows it. Yes, my point is that your observations are going to be highly biased. "Self improvement" is a concept that …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 05:32 PM
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It seems like you've made a lot of very strong assertions in this comment and the subsequent replies, but the data doesn't really back this up. The reality is that most young men are single and young women have a significantly easier time finding a relationship as we can see from this same article. The "transformed" comment where you essentially call men lazy has survivorship bias to an extreme degree: if a man had put in the effort but remained equally invisible to women, you wouldn't notice it…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 03:37 PM
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The "40 year old guys" category really means "absolutely no", and that category is MUCH bigger than she is admitting. I suspect she is seeing large age gaps because the guys the same age as her (19) who she'd find attractive are partying at uni rather than setting up dating app profiles
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 05:29 PM
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I'm wondering whether this actually ends up fucking him over. I'm aware that lefties are currently looking for masculine role models they can use politically. Which they are struggling mightily to do, because finding a man who young men can relate to, then celebrating that brand of masculinity is something their current framework makes very difficult. So maybe in that regard Zohran's not that guy. But in terms of just winning the New York mayoral election, maybe this doesn't matter at all. Even …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 01:43 AM
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To be blunt the fact that the term "fatphobic" has genuinely crept its way into the lexicon is incredibly alarming. This is because as you mentioned, chubby people are everywhere which means I can only assume we're talking about very fat people. Furthermore, people seem to view being fat as part of their identity. But diet and exercise are choices. Like of all the issues to have, this is the one with the clearest action plan. Nobody is even forced to be part of this group, it isn't immutable, it…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 07:11 PM
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Cheers, I'll see what snooping I can do
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 03:10 AM
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I've been searching reddit to find this comment and I can't seem to, would you mind linking it to me in a dm? I can't tell if this person is baiting or genuinely that stupid, but either way when I see somebody write something like this I need to change how I engage with them in a major way
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 02:44 AM
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Yeah I don't even know. The reddit style of "arguing" has trickled upwards even to political debates at the highest level now. This is where they're not looking to engage with content in the traditional sense, but instead to just get in a snippy reply that will receive upvotes. This definitely isn't new, but I think it's worse than ever before. I noticed during the US presidential debate, the candidates seemed to be very aware that the game was primarily about generating clips shorter than 15 se…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 11:50 PM
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I've noticed that when somebody engages in activist work to try to help tackle extremely serious issues like male suicide, they often get accused of having secretly bad intentions then put through about a dozen different purity tests. We never do this for activism of any other kind
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 12:58 PM
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Don't worry I'm very aware of this. People choosing to shotgun accusations at East Asian men of an objectively prosperous country being "drunk and abusive", or similar pejoratives, is just one of my pressure points. The readiness some people have to hurl insults at great places like South Korea, Japan, etc does disturb me.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 03:10 PM
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Well no. He specifically mentions mandatory military service in South Korea as a driver of issues in gender relations- after a quick google search I can see that serving in the military in South Korea is mandatory for: Army/Marine Corps 18 months, Navy 20 months, Air Force 21 months. This places Korean men at an economic disadvantage because they cannot spend this time building their career. People just tend to gloss over this, but the average American male aged 20 is on the upper end of the ove…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 02:55 PM
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Yeah I have a number of issues with the "body positivity" movement and this is one of them; they're incredibly unprincipled. It really seems to just be looking for cultural control over specifically which bodies can be shamed, rather than taking a disciplined and consistent stance.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 09:07 PM
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Yeah I think it depends, it's definitely not just women who are on the malicious side of the discussion. The hopium in me wants to believe more people might have reasonable takes on this situation, but the reality is there's this very persistent contingent that really goes out of their way to ruin the conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 07:35 PM
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It's refreshing and commendable to see women admit this. The ones who accept it are able to have much more well grounded discussions about depression in men. The ones who don't, often have this wrong assumption that lonely men are actively pushing people away, and then subsequently absolutely ruin discussion on lonely men by pointing fingers at them and making wrong statements about these men's situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 07:18 PM
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Eh I think some people have this assumption that the guys here are just whining and not doing anything to help themselves. Couldn't be further from the truth, personally I'm working on getting additional qualifications to give me better economic (and therefore social) opportunities, plus I've spent extensive time learning new languages in the past. I could just blogpost about that but obviously it's a slow grind and not relevant to the topic of this sub. I can't agree with the "It's always been …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 07:04 PM
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Yeah, I think this is a very relevant rebuttal to the response of "It's nothing to do with us that autism just makes you undateable". The traits of autism are one thing. The social punishment for those traits is another, and there is a noticeable gender difference in social punishment. As an autistic man myself, I've accepted that there's some innate difficulties in socializing with this condition. But the differences being this stark isn't innate, there's some cruelty aimed specifically at auti…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 11:00 PM
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My reading comprehension is fine, you've just got blinders on.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 10:49 PM
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Well things are more complicated than that, it isn't like there's this statistically average man who is kind hearted when dating NT women, but then becomes an abuser when dating an autistic woman. The most plausible explanation is that abusers target autistic women to victimize, which is very unfortunate. This wouldn't prove or disprove the idea that the average NT man is more willing to accept women with autistic traits than the reverse. Autistic people being targeted as a mark for victimizatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 10:45 PM
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No she didn't. She made a comparison between NT women and autistic women, she didn't consider that an increased likelihood of victimization isn't a gender exclusive trait. The difference in zero relationship experience, by contrast, is a very notable difference between the genders. The comment she is responding to is operating in good faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 10:15 PM
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Autistic people are more likely to be victimized or abused. It isn't the case that autistic women have a huge target on their back while autistic men are out of harm's way in this regard. Discussing the significant gender difference in zero relationship experience is perfectly good faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 09:42 PM
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Yes, like that bitch who claimed she got lired out of her relationship. What? In this case somebody who claims they got "lured" out of their relationship admits they cheated in their post. You're not making up anything in your head about them cheating, they told you that they did. By contrast, assigning a load of bad qualities to somebody talking about being lonely is making stuff up in your head, assuming they didn't write that or similar. Again, you get to be sceptical. You don't get to just r…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 06:30 PM
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What does that have to do with what I wrote? It has everything to do with what you wrote. You just assigned a whole load of bad qualities to somebody talking about their problem to justify why they have that problem. So you wouldnt if you see them explain they have a gambling addicted, got into NFTs, spent their money all on drugs? Well I wouldn't just inject that into their complaint then act like they admitted it. Then I'd be shadowboxing. There's a line between reasonable scepticism and rewri…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 05:55 PM
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Right, but at a certain point you're not just doubting the narrator's retelling of the story, you're building straw men and creating boogeymen. This is a very common theme with you, and we can see it play out in this post. nice guys claimed they FEEL like being nice is unattractive that’s like nice guys finish last, but most of the time its because of flaws they have other than niceness Fine, this is reasonable. The “lonely people” typically: Are very unlikable. Cherry pick who they want to fix …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 05:37 PM
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I tend to agree with the idea that hate for passport bros is mostly spite-driven. If this were purely about concern for exploited foreign women, then they wouldn't bristle when they see foreign men dating women from wealthy countries like Japan. But they do get bothered by it. It is worth pointing out that even if a man did go to a poorer country and try to date the women there, this wouldn't be exploitation, that's simply an offer that the local women are totally free to decline. Somehow there …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 05:20 PM
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Well lol, I know you're being tongue-in-cheek, but I'll expand on my first comment by saying people really shouldn't cling to this idea that their in-group is the most desirable. I'm British and if British men weren't considered that desirable, then that's that. I just don't really like the arrogance of somebody asserting that their in-group is the first choice and everyone else is the second choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 03:19 AM
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So what? I think some people like to assert that American women are at the top of the status hierarchy, therefore the approval of American women is uniquely important. But not everyone thinks like this, certainly not passport bros. I don't think it's a case of sour grapes, but more about them thinking foreign women are more beautiful or have other qualities that make them more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 11:32 PM
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Men are pretty used to this shuffle. The only real distinction she makes is between men going through a temporary dry spell and then lumps perma single/virgin men into the defective category along with mass shooters. To put it more simply, she very deliberately didn't leave any room for a man who can't get laid ever but isn't a bad person, and this is moralizing. There is a litmus test for showing that her + others with same ideology aren't moralizing. This is whether they would take the concern…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 11:01 PM
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Yeah idk this sub is filled with bad faith troll threads now, or opinions so dumb that I can't tell the difference
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 12:02 PM
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For the record I think the average person can intuitively understand the danger of an app that lets people post other's identities and spread unsubstantiated rumors about them, which can very easily amount to defamation. It's why I'm deliberately not engaging with users here who just can't quite seem to get it 🙃; they're intentionally missing the point. But it is true that women's interests must be protected, which is why I completely understand why they wouldn't want to go to a private location…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 03:37 AM
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Tangential but I've noticed this contingent of complainers online get really bothered by anime or in this case anime style drawings
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 08:03 PM
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Lol I know exactly the user you're referencing with the first point. "The 90s and early 00s had lower rates of chronic singleness because they were really oppressive" take, is what happens when the speaker is willing to grasp at straws to avoid admitting social media caused societal problems with loneliness. The second argument is, at its heart, the bootstraps vs societal problem discourse we've seen play out across PPD ad infinitum. The reality is that there is a new societal problem with lonel…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 07:53 PM
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This sounds like self-driving car claims circa 2015-16 I'd completely forgotten about this one, good catch. Tech companies want self-driving cars, everyone else doesn't want to deal with the traffic jams and accidents they will undoubtably cause. Tech companies want AI doctors, but their patients don't want their doctor to hallucinate medical treatments. Some roles are just too high risk to be fully automated.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 08:52 PM
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The main thing holding it back is red tape, regulation, and accountability. Yeah this why I think doctors and lawyers are gonna be safe for a while. For doctors, who are you gonna sue if an LLM is negligent? And the law is all about red tape, regulation, and accountability. I think the people management roles are the ones that ought to be sweating about being replaced in the next decade or so. Other roles, sure, maybe eventually, but there's much more of a buffer.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 08:45 PM
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I'm of the belief that some white collar jobs are going to be cooked way harder than others. AI can never replace Doctors since an algorithm making a medical mistake is too devastating to risk happening. The tech bros have been salivating at the thought of replacing lawyers, but time and again AI has shit the bed in court and hallucinated cases. Not to mention that mistakes in filing legal documents, while it might not cause death as a medical mistake can, can be incredibly detrimental and costl…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 08:15 PM
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BDSM communities are known for being absolutely rife with abusers, it's ironic that this is described as a "safe" environment. With that being said there are occasions where approaching a woman in a public venue is inappropriate, they aren't miles off the mark with that take. "I feel safest in my BDSM fuck party with strangers" is a take that is difficult to grapple with, since it's very far removed from how the vast majority of people feel.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 03:23 PM
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It's because admitting that late virgins get judged very negatively kind of destroys the "sex isn't important and you don't need it to be happy" narrative that some users on reddit have permanently attached themselves to. I mean tbh everyone knows, irrespective of whether it's right or wrong to do so, that they are deemed losers. Some users are just denying it as a debate ""tactic"" because admitting it disables the use of some thought-terminating clichés, and opens up some debate topics that th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 07:01 PM
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Araki Saori is so pretty, she wins
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 06:40 PM
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Oh lol, they are so cooked. I have avoided talking about this too much, but I was surprised when people actually tried insisting it was an app about "women's safety". It was an app to spread unsubstantiated rumors about men, while having zero respect for their privacy, just be real. Having its userbase's faces be leaked was rough, but people can survive being called ugly. If the logs of them defaming men get leaked and connected to their real identities, that can have some real negative repercus…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 02:43 AM
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I'm pro buying escorts, although the reasons for doing so shouldn't be as a substitute for actual relationships. In your post you mention that not being able to have sex doesn't mean you're a freak of nature, which I would agree with. We're in an age where being just a little bit "off" results in horrible dating outcomes for men. I also agree with your point that prostitutes aren't a substitute for a real relationship. However, I think prostitutes provide services that make a useful stepping sto…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 09:31 PM
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I think discussion about the male loneliness epidemic is an excellent case study re this. If a certain ideology hears about it, they're going to dash in, call all the men losers, point fingers/victim blame, play whataboutism, and derail the conversation by any means necessary. I remember thinking about 10 years ago that the people who did this weren't that numerous. I was mistaken, they're both numerous and persistent. That sentence is basically begging them to leave this particular conversation…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 07:09 PM
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The simple fact of the matter is that women in these countries know the general deal lol. This obviously doesn't excuse and is not intended to minimise the cases of violence they are victims of. Dating somebody who's unattractive in their home country who has more disposable income isn't even necessarily a bad deal, so long as they're not one of the exceptionally morally bad cases. With regards to the women in developed Western countries who get really irate about this issue, I have noticed that…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 05:19 PM
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We're well past the "no politics" rule in this age. People are actively looking to select their partner based on similar political values, which I think is completely fair. Tbh if anything it's the opposite and you should give some indication of which party you support sooner rather than later.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 08:27 PM
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Rare optimism from me. Women still look good into their 30s. 30 is just the age where if you've drank smoked or done drugs through your 20s then it catches up with you. Other exception is gaining weight. All the same for men if no hair line disaster. Seeing somebody who's not hot at 30, who was hot at 20 is a very rare sight indeed.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 10:09 PM
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It's funny this is how it happened. If a random couple at a concert appears on the jumbotron, I wonder what the odds are that they're having an affair.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 09:43 PM
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I wish you the best of luck for the future 🫡
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 10:58 PM
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Hmm I think that's a sensible thing to point out. Personally I've accepted that if I am to date in the future then the woman I'm dating is likely to have hooked up in the past, and barring some really extreme case it's not something I'm concerned about. I think the guys who are past their early 20s probably need to reach similar conclusions instead of being highly concerned about a woman's sexual history. The main point of my initial comment was to highlight that men aren't necessarily interpret…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 10:36 PM
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I think the "hook up guy vs husband" discourse from the male side has been incredibly poorly argued. You're right tbh, going clubbing sucks and continually trying to hook up with new women is unbelievably effort intensive. Being the husband of a woman you're in love with is clearly a much better deal. But the guys here, me included, are likely to be unpartnered and pessimistic about the future. Hook up guy is fucking now. Hook up guy could likely pivot to husband guy if he wanted to. Being a hus…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 08:58 PM
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I wouldn't necessarily go all-in on the OP's take. I have seen women continually jump between aggressively shaming male sexuality, and then jump back to being pro hookup culture. But this is on reddit, and I get the impression that these are pink pilled shit-stirrers who are very aware of what they're doing. I'm not of the belief that these are representative of the general population. I think a stronger argument is that men are described as having "fetishes", and women are described as having "…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 08:37 PM
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It does feel a bit weird when I see decisively average looking women lashing at average men as being "chopped". When you take compare the social/dating lives of an average young woman to an average young man, it's immediately apparent that the average young woman has vastly more dating and social opportunities. What they could choose to do is talk about male style choices that they like (that aren't genetic), and extend social opportunities to men. But it's more fun to lash out on social media s…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 03:00 PM
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Always feels a bit weird to me when I say something like "If a man is totally romantically unsuccessful, he's likely to downsize as much as possible and won't be inclined to contribute to society", then somebody comes along with steam coming out of their ears because how could I dare to suggest that being perma single could possibly affect a man's motivation. Surely men should just be happy to be friends with their bros on discord for life. There's a number of users on here who I think deliberat…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 01:40 AM
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Tangential but I've noticed there's a trend where people with really cushy and well-paid jobs feel a need to explain why actually, their life is really tough, instead of just accepting that they're cruising and no piece of legislation changes that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 12:59 AM
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Women are most definitely not ok with being single, they love to talk about dating. When women have a true dry spell they become very distraught. I will note, I have seen many posts from the author of that blog. It does amuse me how male problems are approached from a lens of "men need to bootstrap their way up", and women's dating problems are approached much more sympathetically. I don't think his current approach where men just man up is realistic, we probably need to be tackling this from th…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 12:24 AM
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I feel like it's gotta be Christopher Reeve
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 05:10 PM
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It is true that according to polls coming out of Russia, no doubt approved by Putin, show that he's the most popular guy ever. Somehow I have doubts about the legitimacy of these polls and how Russian people really feel about the war.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 11:54 PM
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The benefit to the average Korean man in the dating market would be pretty negligible. See this is just where we're never going to agree - the Korean people I've heard talk about this have noticed a BIG difference. Kpop represents a pretty noticeable departure from Western trends, many Kpop boy group members aren't especially tall, and the typical Kpop boy group image differs from the macho image Westerners are used to. And that's to say nothing of how it has changed people's perception of Korea…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 11:45 PM
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For real. I wanna help fix this problem by dating a woman then going jogging with her to help get her weight down, but they don't want me. It's quite a conundrum
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 08:59 PM
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This is a very accurate assessment. Feminists recognize how media shapes preferences, that's why they are so very intent on influencing it. An example of a good change to standards is the popularity of Kpop among Western audiences, now Korean men are viewed as much more attractive than they were previously - the South Korean government recognizes how it's a "soft power" to export Korean culture and have a positive global perception. Koreaboo women didn't just spawn out of nowhere, and if people …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 03:34 PM
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I would bet that almost every single man here would find exactly the same kind of women attractive 20 years ago as they do now. Then you would lose that bet. "A few ad campaigns in the 2000s" doesn't even begin to capture this push. Ask anyone who was around for fashion modelling back then and they will talk about "compulsory thinness" in the early 2000s and tell you body standards for women are different now. Putting different body types on the covers of magazines normalizes those body types, e…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 01:55 PM
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Are you really gonna look me straight in the eyes and say the world is as stable as when Obama was president
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 09:07 PM
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Blue pillers have been marching back their positions for a number of years now. I think the position is already some mumbling about how dating apps aren't real life even if we hear nonstop about how important height is on dating apps and that real people are using them. I think the end point of bloop discourse is going to be getting really brazen with telling men they're gonna be alone, but like, at that point, what does the blue pill even offer except the chance to punch down?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 09:03 PM
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Yeah this is why women should specifically seek out men who haven't had a relationship before and date them, because they are high value.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 11:36 PM
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Oh I think it's great when they overuse the word incel like this. What he's writing about here is the experience of being othered and viewed as less attractive because he's an ethnic minority, which is a position that it's pretty easy to feel empathy for. Please wear out the term so much that it just means any man who writes about his experience of not being viewed as attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 11:04 PM
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It's because people watch that content AND it doesn't get throttled at all. Thus it gets the benefit of outrage bait and none of the disadvantages. There was one particular content creator who was known for saying the absolute worst things about men like it was fact and cherrypicking the worst actions of men like it were common. Complete impunity, had to block her to get her off my algo. Ironically, the thing she finally started getting heat for was when she revealed she was a Trump voter. Socia…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 09:15 PM
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I thought about posting a pic of myself here recently, then considered there'd be a really high chance somebody would attempt to dox me. Game's gone
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 12:05 PM
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Right, factual data about the population from Pew research or the General Social Survey is all for incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 11:26 AM
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The anti-porn crusade does fascinate me since it seems like both the Christian fundamentalists and radfems utterly hate it, with almost every other person between those 2 extremes not feeling remotely similarly. The modern age is sterile and isolated, and I'm not sure people want to open the can of worms where accessing consensually erotic content is banned in this cultural climate.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 07:08 PM
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I have tried talk therapy and did not find it helpful. I walked out of each session feeling like I'd wasted the time, which to be fair is not the worst thing in the world, when compared to SSRIs which actively hurt me. I think a weekly session of chopping wood and clearing the debris would probably be worse, but only because I wouldn't benefit from that either and on top of that I'd likely be tired and would have wasted more time.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 05:09 PM
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Apparently not. I've been watching him try and push this narrative, even if it flies in the face of data from social surveys, data from dating apps, and a whole range of other clear trends. He doesn't even attempt to argue with facts, it's very strange
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 05:02 PM
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I watched a tiktok recently where a British woman said that British men were unattractive and that she was going abroad to Italy to find hot men there (context, I am British). I will note, In her tiktoks after that I couldn't spot any Italian men next to her, but anyway, the main point is that I wasn't particularly bothered. Like, this is what people are so pissed about lol? And it isn't just an economic development thing either since men travelling to Japan/SKorea still catch ire. It seems stra…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 11:54 AM
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I see they're proving it yet again by acting like you just kicked a hornet's nest here
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 10:11 AM
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I need a new approach and am going to try delusionmaxxing. I look like Timothee Chalamet and nobody is going to convince me otherwise, not even a mirror.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 10:06 PM
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I mean people often don't fully spell out their beliefs like this but that doesn't mean they don't have the belief. To clarify, the belief I'm referring to here is a man who can't get dates must be a morally bad or otherwise defective person. It's a background drumbeat that blue pillers keep rhythm with. Men who can't get dates and admit that online (I'm in this picture), frequently get people hunting for reasons why they're a bad person who deserves to be alone. Discussions on lonely men invari…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 04:24 PM
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I think people are catching onto the idea that online dating really only works for Chad. The problem from what I can see is that mixers still aren't very appealing for a lot of men, but idk it's probably the case that literally anything is better than dating apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 04:03 PM
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You can probably glean this from some of the replies to this post but I think a major problem with this topic is that women want a man who doesn't have to ask for advice. People often come to this topic and open up by throwing haymakers - "stop being such a hateful incel who never showers" and similar remarks. Unfortunately, such is life when the key piece of information that people are paying attention to is that women don't want you. Of course, when the responses transparently just want to get…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 06:18 PM
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My condolences that this is how your father has acted. My ire isn't for people who read some kind of male mental health advocacy, shrug, and then don't do anything. I don't believe there's any obligation for somebody else to be an advocate for the causes that I believe in. What gets me agitated is when somebody actively makes the decision to invade the discussion and make it worse. The example where lonely men are described as toxic is in my opinion particularly egregious because not only has th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 08:31 PM
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I guess if I can't have what I want, at least you all can get some useful advocacy done 🏳️‍🌈
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 07:10 PM
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Now that it's the end of the month, it does amaze me how much concern trolling any talk of men's mental health is subject to. Apparently, nobody has ever looked to discuss men's mental health in good faith, it's all part of some scheme somehow. Therapy is put up on some pedestal as being a panacea for all mental health problems. My problem with this is that it's very possible men benefit from therapy less in general, or that for the types of problems men talk about, therapy is not a very effecti…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 06:46 PM
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TBH plastering fat women everywhere made chubby look normal so actually it did have an effect on me
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 03:04 PM
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Well if you want to take the attitude that it's a Legitimate Complaint then go for it. But it just joins the cacophany of whining nonetheless. Stoicism about dating standards died the moment fatness started being viewed as normal. The genie is out of the bottle now and whining about beauty standards is the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 02:12 PM
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It's 2025, there has never been a better time to whine throughout history. Social media whining now is the norm, and because of online anonymity, we can be utterly shameless. Whining has already been used to great effect in normalizing fatter and fatter body types for women. Men's behavior is subject to constant whining, from travelling abroad to find a wife, to the whining that happens every time twitter discovers a male celebrity has chosen to date a woman in her 20s. Whining sets the backdrop…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 01:15 PM
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The assertion that men are the ones who are too obsessed with sex and relationships seems to be looking increasingly weak. Love Island USA has ranked. as the No. 1 most-watched streaming reality series for the second consecutive week, the majority of the viewership are young women. The whole appeal of the show appears to hinge on the viewer forming a parasocial relationship with conventionally attractive strangers and then obsessing over their sexual interactions. There is no other motivation, i…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 08:57 AM
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I don't subscribe to the crabs in a bucket mentality, so I'm rooting for everyone here to find a date eventually, you included. There's definitely an element of luck involved with finding somebody. Being introverted does make things harder, it's just that I'm used to reading reasons which are, I dunno, more concrete? I've got autism (as do many others), we have guys here who insist they are incredibly ugly, and a lot of guys with social anxiety, BDD and other issues here too. It just seems remar…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 05:05 PM
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Can I ask, are you certain that you won't have a date by the end of the year? Not wanting to use dating apps is legitimate, as there's plenty of other ways dates can happen. I'm also wondering whether you're using "introverted" as a substitute word for something more serious which would be a significantly greater impediment to finding a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 04:41 PM
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I think this post might be a case of the OP spinning their wheels without a reason. There's going to be men who are willing to respect women and have reasonable bars to do so, eg "I respect any woman so long as she is competent in the relevant context". Unfortunately there's also going to be men who will never respect women in any case. The number of men who will only respect women if they're a video game character or action movie superhero brought to life is essentially zero, they're just men w…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 04:04 PM
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I don't play chess so I guess I would be starting at 1000
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 02:25 PM
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Oh I'll be blunt, if the opportunity for dating and marriage was completely taken off the table for me, and I knew that this was 100% the case, I'd instantly give up. All of the effort I'm putting in right now is so that I can hopefully live a nice life in the future, and being able to eventually find a wife is one of the core goals. People here get irritated when I give this answer for some reason, but frankly I think that's just a lack of introspection on their part and also that most people h…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 02:14 PM
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I suspect she's neurodiverse but she never actually discloses exactly in what way in the full youtube video. I'm thinking ADHD. By their 20s it may be the case that there's a difference between the social skills of autistic men and women, although IMO the single biggest contributing factor to that is autistic men spend their young adult lives getting kicked in the teeth repeatedly and autistic women don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 01:19 PM
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I'm gonna go put my head in cold water now
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 09:41 PM
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Summers are so miserable now. They're hotter than ever before, our houses aren't built for it and we don't even have air conditioning. I don't sweat a lot and aren't built for this heat, which isn't surprising given that my country has a long history of cloudy skies and wet weather. We actually just get cooked every summer now
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 09:38 PM
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I also am drinking a lot of energy drinks at the moment. The problem is I'm picky - the store was out of my preferred brand, so I tried c4 cosmic rainbow flavor and I hated it so much I was actually gagging lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 08:33 PM
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Currently I'm studying for some exams needed to become a lawyer. The plan is to careermax to open up some opportunities to meet a partner - some status and more disposable income can be useful in any case. When there's less academic pressure on me I'm probably gonna start jogging like I used to, I'm not fat but I used to be really trim, and depression + trying antidepressants have kinda taken that away from me. If I succeed in those goals, and I'm either still not desirable enough for a date or …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 02:37 AM
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Indeed, the topic of dating, which is well-known to be completely distinct from and have zero overlap with the topics of sex, marriage, or starting a family. Writing that it never occurred to you to be motivated by sex, while spending a huge amount of time on a sub that is obsessed with sex, is so obviously false that it's baffling why you'd even attempt to convince others that it was true
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 09:20 PM
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Nothing I've ever done was for the purpose of reproduction. And yet here you are, a top 1% commenter on a sub that discusses the same dozen or so dating topics ad infinitum
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 08:37 PM
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Ruh roh
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 09:27 PM
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Aw, thank you for your concern. I haven't decided to abandon this sub yet. I hope you are well too
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 12:18 PM
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Zooming in on any 1 piece of advice probably misses the forest for the trees. When the same ideology is the first in line to say there's no problems in dating, constantly accuses men of having bad personalities or just being bad people, and also instantly shames strategies like passportbro-ing, i think I am being entirely reasonable to think this ideology is not playing for my team. Advice that is acceptable to me needs to be actionable, not a thinly veiled accusation (eg "shower and stop being …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 12:16 PM
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Personally I was hoping people wouldn't feed that post since it's an obvious attempt to "neg" men. It does so by ignoring that if women on average prefer a man slightly older than them, then there will be women who are fine with larger age gaps. All the data we have shows that men still have options as they age AND tend to date women younger than them, the only qualm is how large the age gap is. Nobody ever said anything about 40 year olds partnering up with 20 year olds, but then he even mentio…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 07:58 AM
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I genuinely don't believe that any bloop advice is actually for straight men's benefit. I don't really enjoy how much weaponized shame they send towards men either - the motives are fairly clear in the examples you gave.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 06:14 AM
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The point about higher cheating and domestic violence rates is a reasonable distinction from just the moral aspect of the job, this is a fair objection that I wasn't aware of.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 11:43 PM
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Hmm, there might be more reasons than just the salary, this is true. I think they are probably mistaken as to the temperament of most police officers but I'm aware this would fall on deaf ears. The question still remains whether, for the far left wing women, their boyfriend working as an engineer at Lockheed Martin or in health insurance at UnitedHealthcare would trigger an alert ❗or whether it wouldn't even register.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 11:38 PM
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A thought that popped into my mind recently: How many women who ardently supported Luigi Mangione wouldn't bat an eyelid if a potential suitor earned a high salary working in health insurance? I've seen women online refer to working as a police officer as a "red flag" before, but I'm convinced that they only have negative feelings about this because it's a blue collar job without a particularly high salary. I wonder how large the intersection is between the group of women who have radical left w…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 11:18 PM
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The reason why the red pill has become popular is because around 30% of young guys get precisely 0 romantic or sexual attention whatsoever. It wasn't uncommon for people to leave college having found their spouse, and now guys are leaving college having never gone on a date. The surge in -pill content exists solely because of this fact. With regards to whether red pill content is a scam, it's certainly clear that it is, this is why the red pill have constant rotating figureheads who are all sket…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 01:00 AM
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TBH I would actually date an overweight woman if she were willing to go out on walks/jogs with me
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 05:23 PM
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This is a lot easier to do if you get a penalty kick or red card one of the opposing team's players (eg height filter). Regardless, overweight women demanding tall, handsome, neurotypical men and shaming those who don't meet this standard as "not good enough", have committed a foul. Consequently I will be falling over clutching my knee while making faces contorted in pain at the ref (social media). And considering I am hiding behind an anonymous reddit account, I am immune to all shame.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 03:28 PM
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We're in an era where crying to the ref is commonplace. Growing up, all the men in their 20s here were harangued about unrealistic body expectations for women, before they had even hit puberty. These speeches only ramped up in intensity, the media was fully on board with this message. Nowadays, the statement "being overweight is unattractive" is taboo, it is "bodyshaming". However, men are subjected to a whole range of far harsher standards that are genetically determined. The media does little …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 03:04 PM
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Honestly after reading spaces like .is I suspect that there is a group of too far gone men who are just perma messed up. But as you stated you would also expect to hear stories of incels responding well and moving closer to normiehood. I think this category would be larger than the former. The fact that fiction is never written about the latter scenario is an indication that there is a clear agenda to send the message "Don't show compassion. Feel free to punch down as much as you like."
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 04:39 AM
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It's interesting how these fiction writers consistently choose to write incels as being given a completely fair and reasonable shot at love, being helped 0 by any love or affection, then self-sabotaging because they're an inherently shit human being. There's pretty clear intent with the LARPs
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 04:20 AM
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Western men force themselves into a "nice guy", "beta male" role and then get mad when they are treated as one. force themselves into get forced into. Western men aren't picking this role, they're being shoved into it because that's the only role Western women will let them perform. I think the rest of your post is fine, in terms of status and wealth being strong factors as to why passport bro-ing can work, although I also think that Western attitudes towards dating are currently rotten and it's…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/25 05:38 PM
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If a woman on here sent me angry DMs that would be more attention than I've received in years, bring it on
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 10:30 PM
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People seriously underestimate the extent to which autistic men are socially punished. From a man with autism, you don't need to have a meltdown or (perhaps mistakenly) behave in a wildly inconsiderate way to get pushed away. Small things like a voice that's flatter than normal or being anything less than lightning fast with subtle social cues will get a man othered. This is particularly the case in a dating context.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 09:27 AM
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Keir Starmer has performed an extraordinary number of u-turns already. He has talked about nationalising public services, then scrapped that idea. He spoke out about outsourcing jobs in the NHS, but abandoned that idea, and there have been serious concerns he has sold out British workers in his new trade deal with India as he has given out tax breaks for Indian workers. He promised to increase income tax on top earners, then said he wanted to lower taxes. He talked about a green investment promi…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 01:53 PM
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Ah I'm not American. Unfortunately I think we probably will have a far right Prime Minister elected next but that is a problem for 2029
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 12:45 AM
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Thank you 🙏, although the concerning part is constitutional law is only a small fraction of what I must know for these exams - I still have a whole lot more subjects to run through.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 12:40 AM
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I successfully managed to avoid doing nothing this weekend and instead read up on some constitutional law. Still in deep shit though revision-wise I won't lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 12:01 AM
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I would argue that this "little variance" is actually very substantial
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 05:23 PM
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This just seems so evidently wrong to me - we've seen such colossal shifts in what people find attractive even in just the last 10 to 20 years or so
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 05:19 PM
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The part that irritates me in the conversation about beauty or dating standards is the assertion that they're inflexible. Recently in the last decade or two, we've seen a very determined push to put extremely fat people, particularly fat women, on the cover of beauty magazines and similar. This would, at first glance, appear to be an exercise in complete futility, except if "fat" is now defined as 250+ lbs, then what was called "chubby" is now normal. And it is true, being somewhat overweight is…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 04:48 PM
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You responded to my statement that lonely men are assumed to be disgusting human beings with the rebuttal of doubling down on you personally believing them to be disgusting human beings. This is not an effective rebuttal. "People still have sympathy for these guys" I am watching you actively paint lonely men as horrible people and justify their exclusion, then suggest that any degree of social inclusion is tantamount to other people solving their problems for them rather than just not kneecappin…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 11:39 PM
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People have sympathy for lonely guys They absolutely don't, lonely men are a socially acceptable punching bag. Even admitting being unable to date is an incredibly uncomfortable thing for men to do, pride aside, because it invites a whole slew of accusations about how there must be something seriously wrong with them. Assumptions about horrible hygiene, far right wing beliefs, and perhaps even being a sex pest who doesn't understand consent are all commonplace in reddit posts about lonely men. W…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 08:21 PM
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I don't have much to add here, but don't worry I'm very aware that feminists who insert themselves into then take over these discussions aren't looking to argue in good faith, that point is exactly correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 07:54 PM
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You latched onto a specific phrase I used and completely ignored the point I made
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 07:52 PM
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...which is why you've responded to me? As well as made sure to paint lonely men with a very broad brush in an extremely negative fashion numerous times in this thread. Loneliness is becoming an increasingly common issue among younger men, and unlike what "dating experts" with huge platforms will tell you, it is by no means restricted to a small set of highly radical disagreeables.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 06:39 PM
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The OP has already addressed this complaint, hostile sexist men actually end up having a higher number of sexual partners. This disproves the insinuation that ALL lonely men are lonely because they hate women. But yes I am aware of the existence of a radical loud minority group of men, these are by no means the lion's share of lonely men. Are you aware that more moderate men such as myself can see you and others angrily buzzing around this whole thread, utterly enraged at the prospect of lonely …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 06:26 PM
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This encapsulates the problem perfectly. Lonely women often people reaching out to offer them inclusion, which fixes the problem. Lonely men aren't so lucky. This is at the very core of why loneliness has become a gendered issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 06:02 PM
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I haven't found anything to alleviate the pain, unfortunately. I'd be highly concerned about the negative effects of recreational drugs. Only thing I've found that mitigates the damage is downsizing my expectations, focussing only on the most essential priorities, and keeping far away from anything addictive when it's crunch time. Note: addictive can range from anything from alcohol to a new video game. Best of luck, sorry I don't have any real solutions.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 05:49 PM
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I suspect because what they really wanted was somebody to talk things through with. The actual problem was not insurmountable nor crippling. I'm a man who tried therapy. I did not find it useful because discussion of a problem that you're already aware of but don't have the resources or means to fix, is not a useful discussion. I also tried antidepressants, those were actively harmful and getting off of them was hell. It is genuinely alarming how often they're prescribed because I had a very neg…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 05:24 PM
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Eh, when I was 19 I was mocked by mostly men. But after they'd got their licks in, they stopped. I think the expectation was that they'd got a date at 19 and made fun of me, but I'd start dating at 20 or 21 and then we could all laugh about it together. But now that I've gotten older, it's women doing the mocking. And the women engaging in these discussions while hurling insults at perpetually single men know their targets are really suffering. It's significantly more malicious.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 04:54 PM
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I have noticed a disturbing trend where a problem that affects men seems to be an invitation for a subset of radfems to show up and point fingers at them while making sure that there's zero sympathy for them or societal analysis on their problems. Searching up "male loneliness epidemic" on tiktok yields results where the vast majority of videos are women making sure that the narrative is lonely men are shit people who deserve it. Even here commenters are taking issue with the term "lonely", beca…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 03:36 PM
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In some cases. But if somebody opens with "The local authority does an exceptionally poor job maintaining the area. Hooligans sprayed graffiti everywhere that the neighborhood was filled with Nazis which has made it more difficult to sell. I talked with a buyer last week who said they were holding out for a mansion in the suburbs despite not having the income for that purchase.", then responding with "the price is too high" completely misses the point of the discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 11:53 AM
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The lab grown diamonds discourse does interest me. Diamond mining often involves a huge amount of human suffering - there's a reasonable chance that any particular mined diamond was mined by a child slave and people know that. It's interesting thing to see some people chase status even though it undeniably makes the world a worse place.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 07:08 PM
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"Having sex won't make you feel any better" is one of those statements where everyone knows it's a complete lie, even the person saying it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 03:10 PM
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Moving away from somebody throwing things and yelling is reasonable. But there's also very real stigma aimed at men just 'feeling blue', this is reflected in the saying 'nobody will love you if you don't love yourself', which I have only ever seen aimed at men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 05:40 AM
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Most posters here don't want hard legal entitlements, they want soft cultural changes, the kind we've been extending to help women for decades now. Things like body positivity aimed at women, or greater awareness around porn being unrealistic, abolition of gender roles (but only for women), are good examples of this When you listen to women talk about dating standards, they universally want a man who is far taller than average, often have insane salary expectations, and think a "dad bod" is a we…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 05:20 AM
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Ding ding ding. There's people who accept they're not normal, and there's people who expect us to play along with their poorly disguised pretense. If there ever were normies here, they have all left
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 08:33 PM
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At least they're starting to realize. Being a woman is an incredible social crutch to lean on, in addition to the obvious dating advantages. For men there's no option to just kiss because you're curious and don't want to be kissless anymore. Props to her though, particularly on that sub there's not many women who have the thought that "Oh if I were man with the same qualities I have now my life would be fucking terrible".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 03:39 PM
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Yeah, advantages can get cancelled out pretty quickly depending on your other circumstances. My face is kinda handsome but it's cancelled out by being mildly autistic. Unfortunately there's more than 1 thing that can cook you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 04:49 PM
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The "we don't care what you do just stop bothering us" line doesn't really seem to have a lot of truth behind it. At any point in time thepassportbros subreddit will have multiple posts complaining about them. I don't buy that passportbro complaints are solely concerned about exploitation for the reasons that" 1) Products such as Shein definitely exploit asian women and don't receive a fraction of the anger. By contrast marrying a foreign woman can just be a free decision made by both husband an…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 11:56 AM
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In this analogy, from their PoV, a rat scurries up and asks why it can't eat at the restaurant like the humans can. That's why this response seems so disconnected
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 05:02 PM
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Re the "I get a ton of matches but they're all bad, hence it's the same as getting zero matches" comment, even the women making this argument know it's bullshit. They are saying this because they think you're gross and deserve zero.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 03:26 PM
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At last somebody said it. Young women do indeed spend a huge amount of time talking about sex and dating, so much for it "not being that important"; regulars here are not being very candid. The only thing I wanna add is that you won't even necessarily get any closer to being able to date - they don't like playing matchmaker. Guys can do what they want but OP is correct and the grass outside is not very green. You can have many female friends and be 0 steps closer to finding a date, and perhaps f…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 10:10 AM
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I live in London. It is true that pubs are closing and there are less third spaces. This is all my opinion but I think talking about third spaces is a way to avoid the uncomfortable conversations. A park can be a third space, the real change has happened in people. The effects of excessive social media consumption, dating app usage, and rising obesity are of much greater concern to me with regards to how it affects young people's social lives. It would be comforting if those pubs opening back up…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 05:02 PM
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It does amuse me how men are told for over a decade how it's ok to talk about their feelings and not be stoic. They decide to open up in a way that hasn't been totally restructured to appease other people, and then the ideology that told them to be open then collectively becomes furious and calls men toxic. Women are social gatekeepers who collectively have much more control over mixed gender social spaces than men do. They absolutely cannot sit this one out.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 04:49 PM
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Oh we've actually already had some interesting data about that posted here a few months back, which I just remembered now: Here is the link What the data shows is that both men and women overrate themselves. We can split hairs about the exact differences but it seems vaguely similar with more men thinking they're in the higher 70th percentiles, while more women give themselves the really high 90th+ percentile ratings. Rating other women is similar, with men giving out slightly higher ratings to …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 05:14 AM
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It's often not extreme but when I'm out in public the average couple I'm seeing has the woman dating up very slightly. Like she'll be kinda pudgy and eh, and the guy looks a little more athletic than average. I see the occasional guy dating up, but for the most part the hot women are out with other women. There's definitely a trend here.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 01:11 AM
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I agree with the central point being made here. Something very alarming is that past a certain age, women really don't wanna be your first anything - you're expected to have already dated, kissed, had sex before. Consequently on top of all the previous issues there's now the new snowballing problem of a lack of experience and the resulting mental health impacts. At this point I firmly believe that men who are still inexperienced by age 21 at the latest find themselves perennially behind the eigh…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 12:39 AM
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From a guy who is part of the demographic, it's utterly horrifying how -pill discourse seems to inevitably arrive at the conclusion of attacking ND men. From just directly going for the throat initially, to taking the long way around by attacking men who haven't dated by a certain age (hmm I wonder if this targets a particular demographic), or just broad brush demonization of socially isolated men (again, HMM) the discourse always converges on the same target. The same conclusions are reached ea…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 01:00 AM
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I often enjoy solitary hobbies. The problem is that because my social validation is at a flat 0, that kinda drains the enjoyment I get out of anything else. I've read through this comment a couple of times and it's difficult tell if you mean solitary hobbies don't really make people happy ever, because I would disagree with that. The alternative is that you're specifically calling out the people who say "you can just do [solitary hobby] to deal with social isolation and be happy", because then I…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 10:12 PM
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Im a Brit and I 100% believe Brits are generally unattractive. Brits have collectively gotten fatter and a lack of sunlight over here doesn't help. I also think many of the fashion trends over here look fucking terrible. However, it might be the case that some EU countries are throwing stones from glass houses.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 04:59 PM
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This was something I was thinking about recently. In the early 2010s there were some thinkpieces posted online saying "Look, feminists, if you keep speaking to lonely young men in this unempathetic and antagonistic fashion, they are going to become radicalized in the opposite direction". These thinkpieces were told by feminists to shut the fuck up, but just over 10 years later here we are and there are indeed plenty of far right young men. The part I disagree with is that there's going to be any…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 03:01 AM
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Being thin in your early 30s is a pretty reasonable ask
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 11:24 PM
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I can go outside to public spaces and visibly see that people are fat and getting fatter. I can listen to what people expect and determine whether it is reasonable or not. I can see that it isn't just a "me" problem but something significantly more widespread.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 11:51 PM
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There are plenty of self-flagellating blue pillers who are utterly miserable across reddit. But to answer the question directly, if you start dating at a normal age and only encounter fairly normal speed bumps then of course you're not going to be cynical about relationships. I was incredibly blue pilled when I was young, then I got hit in the face repeatedly with evidence to the contrary. As for the specific kind of red piller that you highlighted, the "I need to control my woman" kind, yeah I …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 11:29 PM
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Currently have to make the decision whether I want to commit to taking law exams. They're expensive, extraordinarily difficult, and I'm depressed which obviously lowers my odds of passing. But at this point I've accepted that I won't get to date unless I am able to make some serious money to toss around, and I won't ever feel better unless I'm able to date. Women don't have to deal with this problem where all their prospective partners are just waiting around at the finish line screaming at them…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 01:41 AM
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If I could go jogging and consequently not be autistic anymore, that problem would've been fixed when I was still in high school. But obviously I cannot do that, and while I can work on masking ultimately I am stuck with this card for life. Discourse around dating standards is completely upside down. Fatness deserves tolerance, genetically hard coded issues must suffer in silence. It's beyond absurd.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 02:45 AM
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The number of people who have a fat fetish is dwarfed by the number of people who do not, gay or otherwise. Fat women also find themselves in the same position of can fuck but can't date long term. The straight male incel posters here aren't looking to be absolved of any self-improvement by their flaws being fetishized away.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 01:06 AM
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Straight men fuck fat women and then refuse to date them, I think much the same mentality is at play here. Reading a lot of your posts is very frustrating because you have an incredibly strong option to improve your chances and you're not using it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 12:41 AM
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You lurking the shortguys sub for schadenfreude does freak me out tbh. The second point is, put bluntly, you could do some cardio and your dating options would improve dramatically. Of all the problems to have, you've got the one that's the most actionable. The men whose subs you mock would love to have a problem that's fixable by jogging.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 12:24 AM
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back when dating was like a jog in the park, rather than an ultramarathon
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 09:15 PM
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Once you realize the people saying this are laser-focused on the subsection of tall handsome neurotypical and otherwise privileged straight men, it makes perfect sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 02:45 PM
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Nah, this definitely isn't a chicken and egg issue since I can track from when I felt depressed and how it was over time. I also mask it much better than most people do, nor does it impede me from socializing. I gave therapy a try and found it a waste of time, and antidepressants ended up hurting me in the long run. It's very obvious to me at this point that the depression can only be cured once I can date like a regular person and was caused by not being able to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 05:30 PM
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I'm right here. Well my personal issue isn't looks, I'm more handsome than most people, and while I'm never the tallest guy in the room at 5'10 (I'm rounding down not up) it isn't height either. The first issue is I have mild autism, I went out of my way to socialize more when I was younger, and despite being generally mindful of other people, others spotted that there was something off about me and I was cut out with surgical precision. The second issue is that men have these problems snowball.…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 04:00 PM
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Being this fat is a personality trait, it isn't just aesthetic. When somebody is this fat at that age I can see somebody has no interest in physical exercise, they make zero attempts to eat healthy, and they have incredibly poor impulse control. I'm making a judgement about her looks the same way I judge somebody who has ruined their looks with drug addiction, inflamed their face with excessive alcohol consumption, or generally looks like shit because they spent all night gambling at the casino,…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 01:05 PM
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Yeah I agree with this, I should've clarified that it's also simply about women dating up.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 12:31 PM
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Autistic women typically aim for neurotypical men to date. I'd assume it's easier for the relationship to work if only one partner has communication problems. Men don't really have any qualms about dating slightly unusual women so long as she looks alright so autistic women often succeed in doing this. Just a question of whether they can rein it in enough. Autistic men, yeah idk from personal experience I think we've got a snowball's chance in hell of finding a relationship. This is because wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 01:12 AM
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The real lesson here is that this group doesn't feel bad for any of the out-groups. People who don't want kids can be normal, this sub comes across as utterly unhinged
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 10:09 PM
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It's funny because this is a pretty accurate microcosm of lonely men and lonely men snark groups. It took me a long while before I realized just how incredibly weird the people in the latter group were, but once I knew, so much of the inceltears and similar groups behavior made sense to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 09:54 PM
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They started dating young, and it's not like Zuck is handsome. I think she's better looking than he is, when they were both younger this was even more true. I think finding a good partner in college and eventually marrying her is an enviable position to be in tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 05:57 PM
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At this point I find it amusing since it reveals they don't listen earnestly to men, like at all
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 01:33 AM
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If I have to choose between 6 kids and 0 kids I'm picking 0, that sounds like an actual nightmare.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 02:25 PM
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implication in other poster’s comment that neurodivergent men are exempt from harboring misogynistic feelings Nobody made the insinuation that this was ok in that comment chain, nobody even came close. The idea that neurodiverse men get given a pass for shitty behavior is a complete fabrication, if anything the opposite is true and they are more heavily scrutinized. I don't see where you saw that being argued. The words "a lot of" will never elicit such an ungodly level of charitability from me,…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 01:01 AM
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No one thinks being undesirable makes you a “bad person.” It's possible you, the OP, don't but plenty of people think in precisely this way. Groups of men are continually painted with a broad brush as being misogynistic or otherwise bad people and that's the primer for later saying "Oh, they deserve it". I suspect a lot of these comments just pass you by because they don't particularly bother you. But men here notice them because they're often targeting groups we belong to. Here is an excellent …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 10:48 PM
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Yes, "relationships aren't a big deal" is a talking point you only find online, and these anonymous commenters aren't ok being dateless and chaste themselves. Unfortunately when people are so comfortable being dishonest online it makes these conversations not worth having.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 10:11 PM
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The friends are being blunt and honest, and the reddit replies are denying lived experiences in a condescending tone. I am fine with one of these.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 09:52 PM
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Ok this is actually fair. I dont enjoy it when the ideal lifestyle is described as a man who has zero morals either.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/25 06:14 PM
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I saw a Tiktok a while back bring up an interesting point: Tate, and similar, insult men a lot, but they don't get pissed at him when he does so. But men get incensed when left wing/progressive commentators do the same, why is that? This is from the perspective of somebody who's not a fan of either genre of influencer. The manosphere insults are usually only skin deep. Tate often uses "fat broke losers" or some variation of, as insults. It also doesn't try to rewrite reality: if you're young, yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/25 03:38 PM
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Chris Brown continued abusing women long after Rihanna left him btw. You shouldn't just believe the handsome celebrity because he says he's changed
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 02:28 PM
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Yeah I can't deny this. The difference is that I can instantly call bullshit on the standard MGTOW lines. However, I can't instantly call bullshit on a guy saying he's going to date women abroad. It's very possible passport bro-ing implodes too, it's just less obvious to me that it will.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 12:49 PM
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Can the passport bros please come back and chase away the MGTOW. MGTOW wont work if you have a sex drive, and despite what reddit may tell you, you're not an automaton. Passport bro-ing, on the otherhand, might work. Looking to endlessly fuck around probably brings your misery with you abroad. However, finding a wife abroad seems like an actionable idea, and there's plenty of reasons to believe that dating is a better experience for men abroad. One of these spaces just reads as "cut your balls o…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 08:17 AM
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Thank you
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 07:38 AM
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Lol I still vaguely remember when I was happy around 10 years ago but having that amount of energy or optimism today seems inconceivable to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 07:36 AM
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At least the OP is calling it "going away" rather than bullshitting about "decentering". The next step is realizing that doing this necessarily sucks and will make you miserable, rather than it just being about the attitude of the men doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 07:32 AM
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Exactly. This isn't primarily about flaming them - I'm just giving them a fair warning it doesn't work. Gents, just look at how the MGTOW from the 2010s turned out, it's real bad. I guess they're right that it's annoying, but only because they're actively trying to market a "solution" which only makes the problems worse, when the rest of us have already seen how this ends.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 07:17 PM
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It is indeed Men Sent Their Own Way, and I've told them as such. It's the posturing that makes it that much worse - I don't recommend just giving up in any case, but at least that's direct and isn't delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 06:55 PM
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This sub seems to have discovered MGTOW over a decade after everyone else did. We've had about a half dozen threads on it in the last few days, and they've decided to be even more preachy. Infuriatingly, they also haven't followed the story through to the part where every single MGTOW content creator either got off the train and stopped making content, or reached its terminal stage where they try arguing being a loner who uses sex dolls is preferable to building a relationship with a romantic pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 05:09 PM
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And if the men involved in this conversation were already dating successfully then there wouldn't be a need to have this conversation in the first place. You can either put in a high amount of effort or accept zero results. Keep trying. Give up. Both are coherent ideas, both are direct in their gameplan. "De-centering" because you are unsuccessful isn't coherent; it's sour grapes; it's men sent their own way. OP is asking us to play along with MGTOW: the reboot, I'm simply saying I won't do it. …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 11:12 PM
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This is pretty much exhibit A in sour grapes, you won't be happy alone and unmarried at 40 and we both know it. But I'm fine with other guys shooting themselves in the foot or chasing down a rabbit hole I already know leads to a dead end and lost time. Just as long as MGTOW-esque types keep to themselves and don't bother me when their movement collapses for the umpteenth time, it's your prerogative to tell each other how the grapes are actually sour anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 07:14 PM
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Funny how it's only ever unattractive men who are expected to have these ascetic transformations. Again, this isnt self-discipline, it's sour grapes. There is no internalized panic on my end, I'm just aware that the only 2 things that will come from "de-centering women" are growing old and more miserable. You can give up if you want, that's a coherent game plan, just call it what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 06:19 PM
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"Decentering women" is entirely tone deaf because it's removed the context of women "decentering men", which is that they're not really doing that for a significant length of time. Once again, dating for women is easy and they can re-enter the dating pool whenever they want. They typically spam this "de-centering" meme on social media for 1 year, at most 2 years, then they start dating again. Dating for men is difficult and high-effort, and that's exactly why you can't de-centre it. Because if y…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 12:03 PM
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Well, it's possible this is a factually accurate account of what happened and she genuinely encountered a shit person who seemed like a good person at first (these are WAY rarer than reddit will have you believe, but anyway). My issue begins when they take an amalgamation of the worst people they've dated, project that on to me, then claim it's the reason why I can't get dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 05:38 AM
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I'll be blunt that whole comment section is a huge circlejerk, which is exactly what I expected. For the OP, my condolences that she had a bad date. Considering she kept it very matter of fact she seems like a decent person. But if you assume that 4/5 dates are gonna be bad, you STILL get to the good 1/5 quicker than somebody who gets 0 odds at all. Her position is still significantly better than somebody who gets 0 dates at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 05:19 AM
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???? If you get any matches at all then evidently they did not. This completely ducked out of answering my question about how you'd respond to zero matches
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 02:21 PM
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How are YOU going to react if all the other gay men raise their standards to being fit, and on top of that value genetic traits you don't have? They are now shockingly uniform in what they like and won't budge from these standards regardless of what they look like themselves. Or is it only cool when straight women do it?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 01:11 PM
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I kinda agree with her post tbh. Marrying foreign women is a good way to escape the shitty dating culture back home, not bring it with you. Having said that it's worth highlighting she specifically states she's not against looking for a wife abroad, only against endless fucking around
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 10:13 AM
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The stats and data were entirely valid and self-explanatory for the purposes for which they were being used. The only issue was that blue pillers didn't like the data so they tried unsuccessfully to invalidate it with faulty reasoning. Blue pillers don't "debunk" shit lol, most discussions with blue pillers here promptly devolve into them hurling insults and seeing what sticks, with the exception of a very small handful of users who clearly aren't cut from the same cloth as the rest. I've notice…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 06:00 AM
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Oh I see, I figured this is where you were going with this. The blue pill doesn't operate in reality. They handwaved away data from the General Social Survey which showed rising rates of sexlessness. They came up with bullshit reasoning to explain separate data which showed that the majority of young men are single while the majority of young women aren't. Talking about men's problems is classed as whining. If you present objective data which shows that dating for men is far harder than it used …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 05:07 AM
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Well I would prefer it if the bedrock of their ideology wasn't the just world fallacy, because then discussing things with them wouldn't be a complete waste of time
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 04:34 AM
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The foundation of the blue pill is genuinely "If you have problems with dating, it's because you're a disgusting hateful neckbeard" so the personal attacks don't surprise me. The worldview is built on insults and negative assumptions
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 04:12 AM
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I'm definitely adapt and conform pilled, but when the bar is set at handsome neurotypical successful and above average height, and women won't budge an inch on any of those, the situation seems a bit doomed.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 02:31 AM
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Dates are like a hand of poker, even if you get dealt bad hands you will eventually find a good hand. Plus it's social experiences to build on, ie your good dates aren't the first dates you'll ever go on. Not getting dates = you don't even have a chance to play the game = failure is guaranteed The women who complain about bad dates typically find a good dates within a year, and the men who complain about no dates, well, they're possibly stuck there forever
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 02:23 AM
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I can't really agree with this perspective at all. It's immediately apparent to people that we're not all on an equal footing career wise. Some kid with rich parents who's the epitome of mediocre could fail upwards and see more money than you or I ever will, and that's life. In terms of attractiveness, just being beautiful gives people access to career options that earn them lots of money like modelling or acting. Career advancements because of being attractive, or other people being treated bet…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 10:47 PM
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This is a fair comment coming from you. The problem is that these concepts are treated as either basic compassion or demanding people capitulate to your wants, depending on who is saying them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 06:53 PM
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It does bother me how the "sex isn't a need and you're an entitled piece of shit" crew switch it up when the in-group has similar problems. People don't think you're attractive? Oppressive beauty standards. Unenjoyable dating experiences? Poor thing, you deserve better, people must accommodate you. The sink or swim preachers begin demanding life rafts real quick when the in-group starts suffering.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 06:35 PM
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Lol holy shit. I was fundraising for a disability charity and nearly sent off an email with this exact typo. I only caught it because I decided to be unreasonably cautious and double check a relatively short email again. To this day that single wrong letter rattles me
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 10:55 AM
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You didn't hit a nerve. Just as long as you're aware you mirror the behavior of men on this sub
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 06:45 PM
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I'm assuming you think you're a morally righteous ray of sunshine who definitely doesn't belong right alongside the rest of the miserable people here
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 06:29 PM
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Also possible. When I read comments like in the screenshot I have to keep reminding myself I'm dealing with an unreliable narrator, and their definitions of "ugly man" and "ugly woman" may have wildly different thresholds
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 03:58 AM
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I'm wondering how many of these self-reported exiled women are just seriously overweight, and would have a pretty normal dating life if they just exercised occasionally
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 03:49 AM
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I don't know. I mean, I'm desperate, it's just that I know the answer is gonna be "no". I guess if they weren't desperate they'd be looking at more recent social circles? A large portion of guys just aren't getting any right now so maybe they're throwing a hail mary. It's possible they think they've had a glow up but scrolling through their socials for a matter of minutes should tell you if that's true or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 03:46 AM
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I don't. I don't see them around, but more importantly if they weren't interested the first time around they aren't gonna be interested now.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 03:35 AM
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It's genuinely insane from my PoV. I've seen clips of it, and it looks like the entire point of the show is to bash the viewer over the head with its political message until they submit. It's shameless in how bold it is. Immediately after it aired, we hear from the Prime Minister about how it highlights a serious problem and the media is set ablaze with something that was designed to be propaganda from its inception. We have actually had a murder of young girls from a radicalised young man in th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/25 02:44 AM
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Yeah that's true, I typed out my answer then realised I'd missed the point of the question somewhat. I'd probably be really cautious at the start of the relationship and be vigilant about remembering even one-off comments that I'd ignore otherwise. I think once you're married and looking to have kids, it's likely going to last. But if she isn't going to be ok with it, there's definitely going to be some indications of that at the start of the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/25 02:01 AM
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Yes, it's not even a question. It makes me consider where the "guys don't want to date up financially" rhetoric is coming from. From everything I've seen, it's mostly the women getting pissed about dating down, not the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/25 01:41 AM
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My take is similar: Confidence is the result, not the input. The reason some guys are confident is because they've been receiving "yes"s for a very long time, and as a consequence, they are confident. This is the end result of many years of good results. Conversely, when unattractive men decide to be confident, it gets called "audacity" and they must be knocked down a peg or two. "Confidence" feels like a real cop out in conversations about what causes attraction since it really just means this …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 10:49 PM
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It's very strange to read posts like the ones you linked tbh. I suppose she kind of just expects all the men to respond with "yes sorry us men (who are all one hivemind) are so terrible".
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 05:52 AM
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There's a link between mRNA Covid-19 vaccines and an increased risk of myocarditis and pericarditis. The problems listed would be consistent with myocarditis, from my brief research just now. There are definitely people out there bullshitting about the vaccine, but it is possible that this person is being genuine.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 05:26 AM
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The difference with Tinder is that the bots actively make dating harder than it already is. If she doesn't want any DMs on reddit then she doesn't need to even read her DMs. Women get more attention across the board, both social and sexual. The reason why men just stare at these complaints blankly 😐 about receiving attention online like this, is because if she was given the choice between the social/sexual attention she is receiving currently, or the amount of attention I receive, she chooses he…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 05:18 AM
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I reject the idea that getting DMs on reddit constitutes a significant problem or inconvenience
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 05:00 AM
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"You're not entitled to anything" - person who would literally shrivel up and die if they were treated similarly coldly.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 02:12 AM
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Seeing the stats plainly like this does add perspective. The totally average guy is between 5'9 and 5'10. But if he just looked at women's preferences on dating apps he'd be convinced he was short.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 11:51 PM
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Yeah, and my point is that career success means zero if you're just a hermit living in a high-priced cave. You never verbatim stated that the nuclear scientist should just be happy but you tried to substitute love with career success and it doesn't work like that. You referred to this fictional character you created as "kissless virgin" rather than "nuclear scientist" because even you know that's a shit life. You should stop being pissed that men will never be cool with being forever unpartnered…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 11:34 PM
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If I share a serious insecurity or cause of misery AND the other person responds by sharing something minor trying to relate to it, I think they're self-centered. In all other cases I think they're just trying to relate to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 11:01 PM
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Being funny is genuinely really difficult. I remember trying to learn to be funny and it was a long time before I got anywhere close. For young women, being at least somewhat attractive is a hell of a lot easier than being funny, so that's what they try to do and honestly I don't blame them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 10:25 PM
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I read comments like "an MIT educated nuclear scientist who's a kissless virgin should just be happy" and realize you've really lost the plot. Ultimately people don't live to work, and the happiness people feel mostly comes from connections, love, and family which is something this lonely genius doesn't have. It is VERY strange to me how you'd rally against gender roles like this then reduce men to economic value generated and expect them to be happy because their number is high. "Patriarchy" or…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 09:58 PM
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The salary/hours worked must be fucking insane
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 12:06 AM
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Yeah, I'm seeing a lot of comments saying men only want models (very wrong), and a lot of comments that are triggered at the term "male loneliness epidemic" (God fear men's mental health is at the center of any conversation). I tend to try not to engage with this stuff online anymore, because even if they are actively making my situation worse by painting lonely men as unsympathetic and irredeemable, I won't change any of their minds. They're there to hit below the belt and I've accepted that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 11:55 PM
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I have noticed there are two major tells that reveal when a woman is trying to skin-walk as a man online. The first is not realizing people are significantly warmer to women than they are to men, and that this results in women having vastly more social opportunities than men do (this is something trans people remark on a lot). The second is the assumption that socializing well will make finding a partner an inevitability - this isn't how it works for men at all, women are continually stunned whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 11:25 PM
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I have IBS so usually taking a shit takes a while and I'm in pain for most of it. Being in and out of the bathroom within 5 minutes is kind of inconceivable to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 11:48 PM
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Again, based on the number of happily married old people I know, I reject the idea that marrying young (as opposed to endless window shopping) is necessarily about the subjugation of women. The idea that marriage, throughout human history, has always inherently been terrible for women, is a work of contemporary fiction.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 12:46 PM
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If your parents weren't happy together then my condolences. However, you can't make that assumption about everyone - I know plenty of happily married boomers from my relatives alone. Consequently I reject the idea that marriage has been nothing but a shit deal for women throughout all of human history.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 11:13 PM
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Go tell your father he doesn't appreciate your mother then. My parents are happily married boomers so this whole "men have always hated women" talking point has never landed with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 10:55 PM
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The answer is that "being a man" is often a shit deal in modern times. Men from a few decades back went on a few dates in their teens and twenties, and promptly found a woman they wanted to marry. Men in the modern era are often completely starved for attention, going out on a pleasant date is a pipe dream, while getting married is inconceivable. Men get lectured on how being assertive is problematic but then are expected to be very assertive anyway. Pick one. "Mentally strong" nowadays just mea…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 10:17 PM
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While that seems insane, Stacy has already lost by trying to cut me off from seeing my parents. Becky still wins.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 03:21 PM
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My parents are old and don't have whole lot of years left. Assuming Stacy is somehow going to be able to keep me away from seeing my parents (very difficult, I live very close to them and spend time with them often), that's a 100% disqualifying factor. Becky wins by default. Currently I'm studying for legal qualifications in my country, so if the MIL and FIL wanna be a serious busybody, I can talk to them about that for a couple of hours. Also.. 5 kids from 6 men - What was the 6th man doing wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 03:16 PM
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Yeah, I'm convinced rich people scream about it because they need their workers and customers. I'm not convinced the cost of caring for more elderly people will grind the entire economy to a screeching halt.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 09:43 PM
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I don't care what age people wanna have kids, but I'm not convinced that a low birth rate is bad for the general public. I only hear about how we NEED a high birth rate, and if we don't have that we NEED mass immigration because ???? House prices are through the roof and employers just feel totally comfortable with these insane turnover rates because there's always more people. I think a bit of population shrinkage would be pretty good for the everyman.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 09:27 PM
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That's very interesting because they don't seem to remember 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 10:57 AM
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It's a good reminder to see content like this occasionally. Despite telling me "It's not a big deal", I'm aware a lot of people would already be dead and buried if they switched love lives with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 03:54 AM
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My condolences, that fucking sucks, I'd have a panic attack if somebody doxed me from this account and started trying to connect it to my irl. I know exactly who you're talking about and got bad vibes pretty consistently from him
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 08:23 PM
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I don't zone out involuntarily, but I'm really low energy at the moment and I get tired concerningly easily. I can't do much for long until I absolutely need to take a break
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 08:37 PM
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I agree with that. It's worth pointing out that when I was very young, I went to a small chateau in France with my parents, and they just kept giving me alcohol. From that, I then understood just how shitty drinking alcohol can make you feel, but of course young kids drinking can go horribly wrong. I guess energy drinks are different because the kid will just be hyperactive and then collapse probably without learning a lesson from it
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 06:38 PM
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I have managed to do a small amount of the reading that I wanted to do at the start of the day. Nothing spectacular and I want to do more but digital textbooks have been opened and notes have been made. Spent all of last week just paralyzed and feeling shitty about literally everything so I feel this week will be better already.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 06:34 PM
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I bought a carton of grape juice the other day and enjoyed drinking it by mixing with sparkling water. I think grape juice is underrated now
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 01:37 PM
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It's tough to pinpoint these things. I fundamentally reject the idea that it's wrong for men to vent online, I suspect this sentiment is what probably rubbed me the wrong way. We don't place these high expectations of stoicism on women, and the expectation that the only acceptable answer for a man not getting any romantic attention is to say "haha yeah there's nothing societal or widespread going on here, it's all my fault 😃", is infuriating to say the least. A huge negative turning point in my …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 01:27 PM
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Good god they're not even trying to make it believable
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 09:37 AM
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Got a reply on one of my last comments here which bothered me a little. I haven't switched sides, sorry bloopers. I think the expectation that men will just snap out of feeling lonely, and it's only his own fault if he doesn't, is extremely toxic. This apathy to young men is what lead to the rise of the manosphere in the first place. In any case, I want to look over some law notes today. I failed an exam needed to become a lawyer last year, and I want to try to pass it this time around in summer…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 09:34 AM
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Tbf this is one of those things they did in Japan, because there was a serious problem with molestation on trains and upskirt photos. It makes sense there considering how efficient the trains are too, so you're not waiting ages for the next one
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 11:11 PM
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I don't mind, I'm feeling really emotional now because I thought I'd feel happier by around 27 but I'm sadder than ever. I still hope you have a good weekend
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 04:43 PM
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I remember feeling so optimistic in 2014 that things would get better man, then they only got worse... I hope all of the cels here can find happiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 04:40 PM
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I'm trying. I remember sobbing my eyes out late in 2023 because I wanted to feel better, so I got on antidepressants and they just took me back to square 1 and made me feel complete apathy again :( I hope all of you here find happiness, I don't want to just try and upset each other anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 04:37 PM
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I might stop posting here soon. This isn't a "it's bad for my mental health" post... I've just realized that every minute I spend on here I would've rather have spent doing something else. I also think we've collectively become entrenched in winning arguments when typing here, rather than understanding each other. To write about myself, I've felt miserable and isolated since around December 2015, with that being kicked into overdrive post Covid. I genuinely can't remember if I came here for unde…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 04:24 PM
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I wasn't actually that shaken up by lockdowns in 2020 at all, but does anyone else feel like post covid we've been put on a shitty time warp where a) Everything sucks and b) time moves approximately 4x as fast.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 09:09 AM
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I guess we've figured out why the rest of us are told that "the bar is in hell". I don't mind admitting some men are disgusting, but at this point she's just enabling him
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 09:04 AM
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I know this is meant to be a mocking post, but I'm trying to train my brain to say yes if I meet a woman like this who has at least some interests in common with me, and wants to date me back.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 08:52 AM
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Tangential but it's really been hitting me hard recently that even mild, high-functioning autism still gets a hard "no" from most women. I can't really watch these shows without having a feeling at the back of my mind that you're either totally NT or can expect a similar social life to these profoundly disabled people. Additionally, the moral aspect of making a circus attraction out of disabled people's dating lives does irritate me. I guess I'd be one of the people who doesn't want these shows …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 08:14 PM
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It's very telling when so much dating content that is geared towards men assumes they're getting no attention at all. Then so much of the dating content that is geared towards women is about figuring out if the man is cheating and using her as a side piece, or just fucking around with no intention to commit. Eg, new trend where women put a ton of glitter on themselves on a first date. Then we're called crazy for suggesting that women are all chasing the same guys, or that some men just aren't ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 03:40 PM
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Thanks for writing this, it's refreshingly honest and empathetic towards men, which isn't often seen here. We've seen how women's social/dating lives are, and we've seen women try online dating using the profile of one of their straight male friends, only to have their self esteem be in the gutter after a few days. Then men get told we're crazy for noticing these things. A few comments I would make that differentiate a lesbian relationship from a straight male PoV. I won't pretend to know a lot …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 05:27 PM
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I'd respect it if the lonely women gatekept a little more. Top comment says "there's a loneliness crisis for everyone". No, there really isn't. Many people are socially included, going out on dates, and have momentary periods of solicitude then assume that's what we're talking about. Being isolated has seriously damaged my life for the last 10 years and caused me health issues from the misery and stress it has caused. Lonely women need to differentiate themselves from the women who say "Yeah we'…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 10:12 AM
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Yes. I'm also really curious to see what she looks like, because claiming to be fit, but so facially ugly you can't get a date as a woman, requires some very unfortunate genes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 07:17 PM
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If they're a good partner I'd take the deal. Although there's no doubt in my mind that their audience is going to think I'm weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 06:47 PM
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"We need class consciousness and unity" - the people who turn every space they have even the smallest amount of social control over into a nightmarish hellscape, which is entirely about purity testing, criticizing, and one upping each other over having the correct opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 06:38 PM
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It's definitely not covid. I won't lie though I've been reading through the symptoms of lyme disease and there's a non zero chance it's that. I don't have a rash or lesions though and I haven't been bitten by a tick. It definitely seems stress related to me
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 06:49 PM
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cheers!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 05:40 PM
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I haven't used any recently no, but all the irl social avenues and opportunities I thought I had kinda fell through so I think I probably need to start using them
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 05:36 PM
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thank you 😊
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 05:28 PM
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That's fair. This kind of feels like antidepressant withdrawal for me, except I've been off them since September last year
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 05:27 PM
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yes, it's actually at the front of my mind most days
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 05:23 PM
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thinking I'm gonna spend the rest of my life alone
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 05:13 PM
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it could be, but it isn't. I've had all these symptoms before when I'm stressed out, they just don't usually last for this long with this degree of intensity
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 05:01 PM
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I have had joint pain for weeks now, I have a headache that lasts the whole day, and I just feel like shit. I'm sleeping, eating, and drinking plenty so it isn't that. I'm not sick, it's clearly stress related, because I've had these symptoms before but now they're just dialed up to the max amount. "male loneliness epidemic isn't a real problem", it is actually causing me an excruciating amount of pain right now
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 04:43 PM
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because you're taking stats that include rich boomers, then applying those stats to mid 20s guys asking them to keep pace with people who are decades in their career ahead of them. Read the room.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 03:10 PM
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Neither, they are both fucking shit choices. To pick this post apart, you made one of the choices a boring life with no sex. You then went out of your way to fill the alternative with drugs, crime, and misery, because you knew that doing anything less than that would have men pick the alternative without a second thought. The reality is that Life B lacks real human connection and you'll spend your life forever on the outside looking in at other people being happy. You would only think it sounds …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 03:07 PM
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It is interesting how a "decent man" has to be good looking, fit, and doing well financially. However a "decent woman" is any woman who has not turned her life into a car crash. These supposedly unobtainable beauty standards for women just mean doing cardio somewhat regularly.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 01:31 AM
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Yep, I can't really avoid sounding bitter on here because I'm consciously aware that I'm continually dealing with people who are looking to stamp on my toes. I think the key thing is not let it bleed over into other areas of the internet and especially not real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 07:09 PM
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Well yea, the stuff that gets me really angry isn't whatever the red pill influencers have decided to push this month, it's watching feminists deny that men have real issues while simultaneously doubling down on shaming and other behaviors that make the problems worse. The content that smacks you in the face is likely going to be what brings out the hater energy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 06:57 PM
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This matches completely with my own observations. Women have an all access pass if they're at least decent looking, and by contrast people aren't eager to have unpartnered men around, with this sentiment increasing with age.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 06:18 PM
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The point you were trying to convey was probably that men treat attractive women significantly more favorably. This is true, and is also true if the genders are reversed. The problem is that it also supports the idea that the top 20% or so of men just don't think attention from women is very valuable because they get so much of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 05:52 PM
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I read his post fine and the fact that it is permanent is exactly what I have a problem with
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 02:45 PM
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Women are by default safer to men too. Don't know exactly what you're insinuating here but men DO put in effort and it still pales in comparison to the social inclusion shown to the average woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 02:44 PM
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Social opportunities and inclusion. It's very broad. Women get to be strangers who are safe by default, and this has a ripple effect to all kinds of doors being open to them that are not open to men
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 02:38 PM
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I wrote "dating", you read that as only "sex", and juxtaposed that against "company" Dating is both "sex" and "company", both are important, and that is why I'm not advocating for men to give up on dating like the OP is.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 02:33 PM
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Oh, I encourage people to go out and try to take action to get what they want. I continually do so, then deal with the rejection, and watch as my efforts crumble into nothing. Been smashing my head repeatedly into a brick wall for around a decade now. Lift's problem is that he only thinks his own experiences are valid and as such is completely solipsist. Consequently, the "advice" falls flat because he neither listens nor considers differences between men's experiences. I know when interacting w…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 06:05 PM
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God fear that you're ever in a situation where you need to build up a new social group. I don't even care that much about people LARPing on here but come on now, you need to think about how people are more cautious around men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 05:48 PM
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I've explained elsewhere in the replies to this comment how, because stranger men are inherently threatening, they in fact do not get the same opportunities that women do. I'm not upset about it, that's just the reality. But more to the point, you need to stop pretending to be a man on here. Having to take additional steps to show you're not a threat, and having people be colder to you at first than they are to women is a universal male experience, even ftm trans people talk about it. You would …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 05:34 PM
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No, I don't have a hard time with women also viewing men as more threatening. I used to go jogging late, and when people would hear footsteps and see a young man jogging, some of them would be momentarily panicked, before realizing I was just trying to stay healthy and wasn't doing anything wrong or dangerous. I'm not upset about this, that's just how it is. I've actually downsized my social needs as much as I can. But the OP is suggesting to just be cool with being a forever stranger and never …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 05:21 PM
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I can't tell if you're suggesting the "just be gay" meme or "the only people who will ever be intimate with you must be paid to do so", but either way you need to stop and recalibrate.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 05:03 PM
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What? The time span and intensity is obviously completely different. I'm just telling you bluntly that "just be a eunuch bro" is NOT the option women are being presented with.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 04:56 PM
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We don't hate each other. But the fact remains that stranger men are potentially dangerous and we have to consider very carefully how we present ourselves to the world. Try striking up a conversation with a woman you don't know when you're next at a social venue. Consider carefully whether she would be as warm to me. Now multiply that by every person you haven't met yet, and this is what I mean when I say women get social opportunities that men don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 04:51 PM
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There's a 2 word answer to this; We can't. When women decide to "decenter" men, what this actually means is they don't date for a span of a few months while they focus on something else. They still have access to numerous social opportunities and will be able to jump back into the dating pool like nothing happened a couple of months later like nothing happened. They are still getting all their needs met throughout the course of the year. Calling on men to "decenter" women doesn't work, because t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 04:42 PM
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A certain poster recently made a low effort thread which ragebaits about a disadvantaged group. Myself and others write high effort responses that refute assertions made, with supporting evidence. OP and entourage of definitely-good-faith arguers scroll right past these comments and keep interacting with low hanging fruit responses while continuing to support the original post. When people are comfortable operating in bad faith to this degree, it's not really a debate sub anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 11:33 PM
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Oh look, a high effort refutation with supporting evidence is greeted by radio silence
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 04:32 PM
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There's literally no evidence of any kind whatsoever in the OP. It's also very difficult to follow the argument - is your argument the following: "women wouldn't just assume that neurodiverse men are just creepy and weird by default, therefore they are actively doing something that makes them be creepy, such as sharing anime porn, or making unprompted sexual comments"? Because that's wrong. The fact of the matter is that autistic people are viewed unfavorably, strange, and less trustworthy by de…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 01:07 PM
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Right that's fair, and that's why I didn't pick stuff like a mobile phone or a computer. You can credibly make an argument that those are needs in economically developed countries, and they aren't particularly cheap. I deliberately went after goods that people don't need, that we know are unethical, and that women drive the demand for anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 06:07 AM
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Nobody needs jewellery, it is very simple to not buy it. You do indeed need clothes, but people aren't buying only what they need from Shein while grimacing. They're buying big fashion hauls of the latest trendy clothes, then tossing them out when they go out of style.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 05:57 AM
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Re "ethical concerns" about passport bros. Please note, this is tangential to the thread we have right now and is a different topic. It's difficult for me to take these "ethical concerns" about the wellbeing of women seriously. It's entirely possible for a western man to marry a woman from a significantly poorer country, treat her great, and give her a better life than she could've ever had back home. Compare that to the following. Western women love buying cheap products and aren't exactly scru…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 05:43 AM
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I think "more traditional" is probably the wrong word since it would definitionally be a tradition that the western guy isn't part of. "More attractive" seems like a better analysis. Western people are getting fat and resentful of each other, this makes foreign countries more appealing. Passport bros do stick out like a sore thumb and are often unattractive. But we're in a post-shame world now. Western women are shameless in their demands whilst being unattractive. Everyone knows the western man…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 02:22 AM
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Well yeah, you're right. I'm not eager to hear about women's dating problems when they are minor and transient, whereas mine are major and permanent, and men are told it's their own fault for not picking themselves up by their bootstraps to solve them. You might just have to accept that you're going to receive irritated responses here.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 10:45 AM
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I appreciated this since she's being honest, and is looking at dating from a man's perspective, rather than only seeing it from a woman's perspective. There's too many women on here who lecture men about not being good enough, then when they get told "OK, you try approaching then, there is a 0% chance you will be seen as creepy", they recoil in disgust and come up with a neverending list of reasons why they can't do it and it wouldn't work if they did.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 08:19 AM
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100% this. I tried them, partially because of the constant humming of "incels need to be on antidepressants", went into the experience with a totally open mind. The negative effects FAR outweighed the "positives" and what nobody tells you is how long lasting the withdrawal symptoms can be.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 08:01 AM
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I read through some of the other comments after typing my own, and as I expected, it's filled with guys expressing similar sentiments of "We've already been doing that and it didn't help even slightly"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 12:15 PM
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Unfortunately the idea that men who struggle to date are overweight basement dwelling neckbeards has permanently wormed its way into people's minds and will likely never be cast out. It is very strange to me when people talk about self-improvement like it is revolutionary advice. You mean, when you were younger and struggling to date, it wasn't the very first thing you tried?? Personally I was exercising between 4 to 5 times per week throughout my teen years, I went out jogging rain or shine. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 11:57 AM
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Hmm, the olive branch I have to offer is that lying to look better re sex/dating can be gender neutral behavior. I just had a convo on discord unfold where people were obviously not being candid about what can contribute to a complete lack of success in dating. The problem is that this discord account is connected to my online presence much more than this throw away reddit account I have here. Consequently I had to curtail my actual positions which are "people are very shallow about looks, and w…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 03:13 AM
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I did some snooping, and you've just encountered somebody who is lying in order to make themselves look more virtuous. While it's true that this particular user is egregiously bad at lying, this behavior is unfortunately really common when talking about sex and dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 02:24 AM
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https://i.redd.it/ypjm7itqozie1.gif Sure, ok. As long as you're not in denial about why this gets your attention
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 11:20 PM
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Yeah the problem with vultures is that their world consists of their like-minded peers and miserable people. Hence why every perch where vultures congregate, invariably turns to shit once the initial sugar rush of content wears off
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 08:37 AM
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During the run up to Valentines Day, the usual vultures were rubbing their hands together expecting meltdowns, and they just... haven't gotten anything 😀 Even the cringe bait posts have just been called out for being bait and then people moved on. The just world fallacy cudgel doesn't hit like it used to. There's only a small handful of users posting content worth engaging with, and the people arguing in good faith are noticeably outnumbered by those who are not. The impact this has had on the s…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 08:24 AM
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I'm not convinced "deranged boy mom" is even a thing. I have obviously heard of it before but overly defensive helicopter parents aren't gender exclusive. I find it to be far more likely that parents exist who spoil their children, and then the usual suspects get significantly more triggered when that child is a boy rather than a girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 02:32 AM
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Social media has had a negative effect on human interaction
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 02:40 AM
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The average person is completely solipsist, especially around dating rhetoric. A woman who woke up one day as an unattractive man will in a few months time be OK with blackpill rhetoric if not spouting it themselves. An incel man who woke up either as an attractive man or woman, would soon be spouting blue pilled talking points. Being a victim of one-off physical violence, assuming no permanent injuries, is significantly more preferable to being a victim of any kind of social bullying, or even a…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 03:31 AM
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It's the reverse. They keep coming here because they need the punching bag. My reasons for coming here are not entirely dependent on their reactions.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 07:37 PM
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I agree with the post, I think you argued your point well and did a good job separating the idea that something is a need from the idea that it must be redistributed. However, the part where I disagree with your post is that it seems to have an underlying belief that many of these posters are interested in taking the time to "understand and empathize". I've been at the receiving end of the vitriol for a very long time and have kept track of the arguments being made. We saw a lot of talk around "…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 07:04 PM
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Depends if this "type" means somebody who is conventionally attractive and in high demand. Some people need to lower their standards and just come to terms with the fact that dating models in a long term relationship isn't in the cards for them. This can also mean "you need to just accept whoever comes along". This can also be fine advice. But it's a tough pill to swallow and act on.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 03:21 AM
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The amount of leeway these posters get while obviously arguing in bad faith is extremely irksome.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 12:42 AM
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Yes. I have a number of gay male friends and know for a fact that dating for them is quite easy. Women have much higher physical standards than gay men do. Furthermore they have a uniquely strong dislike for dating partners on the spectrum - gay autistic men get dates, men are happy to date neurodiverse women, women retch at the idea of dating an autistic man. I'm mildly autistic and my choices are essentially outcast, or friendzone except even then I don't get socially included like a friend wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 12:34 AM
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Yes, the whole discourse around male body issues is absolutely polluted with bad faith actors, who are only there to obfuscate and get men pointing fingers at each other. Talking about unrealistic body expectations means you have to wade through a whole sea of "just have Kevin Hart levels of charisma bro" or something similar. The position they eventually move to, after repeated prodding, is "ok but it's all because of toxic masculinity", which is of course equally unhelpful, both because it vic…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 03:17 AM
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His feelings are valid and straight men's aren't. It cannot be helped
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 03:55 AM
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I'll be blunt this trend where it's shameful for men to like even 1 thirst trap on social media is next level cringe and also hypocritical. Women drool over Henry Cavill shirtless in a bathtub and it's cool. Men would be called toxic and controlling, or insecure, or both, if they objected to this. But somehow women monitoring their man's social media recommendations is fine?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 02:18 AM
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"I don't feel sorry for lonely men" We already know you're only here to behave like a vulture and delegitimize issues you haven't had to deal with. You can switch out lonely men for other groups that it is deemed socially acceptable to disparage since this behavior is the same across reddit subs. The irony is that during covid, we all saw the emotional breakdowns and subsequent outpouring of sympathy. At this point it's difficult to take the "social problems aren't that serious" take as being ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 09:53 PM
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While I agree with this, I'd caveat that that the guy isn't exactly picking the platonic dynamic. In many cases, women make it clear that the choice is between platonic relationship or they end the friendship. I think this is completely fair enough, but I think that the addition of "no introduction to mixed spaces, no help with matchmaking, no introductions to single female friends looking to date" causes serious problems for the advice that building up a social circle helps. It's about spotting…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 09:01 AM
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This makes complete sense once you realize that many bloops are here for the sole reason to behave like vultures, and get schadenfreude from other's misery. Admitting that lonely men aren't bad people and can just be a victim of bad circumstances would genuinely suck all the fun out of what they're here to do, so it's no wonder you see them use the just world fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 08:44 AM
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We've all already been through this ad nauseam. There's an enormous number of insults you can use, the whole of the English language is at your disposal, and the insults "virgin" or "incel" come up time and again, even when they clearly don't fit. Directed at Elon Musk, for example - this is the most obvious case because there's a ton of ways you can insult him and yet they use the one that doesn't fit. I've engaged bloops in discussion both online and irl multiple times and it isn't difficult t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 08:34 AM
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I'm from the UK and I won't sugarcoat it, it's possible women hate being cold approached by a mid guy here even more than in America. I think it's possible some parts of Europe are the exception and maybe cold approaching still can work there. But in general, women have indicated they hate it, even if you're in a social venue. Because cold approaching is a No, and warm approaches have the problem I previously described, unfortunately it's possible for a guy to get locked out of dating without ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 03:16 AM
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I don't necessarily agree with this but I don't disagree with it either. Women do date within their social circles but they were open to dating those men right from the very start. You can tell from very early on, and they're usually pretty flirtatious from the jump. In this case I guess they are actually screening for personality to some degree or want some proximity to the guy before they start dating which is fair enough. The men who they're not open to dating did not have their chances impro…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 12:57 AM
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Re sentiments that "having dates won't make you feel any less lonely". Dudes here haven't just lived in a cave for 2+ decades lol. We've known guys who felt miserable, and saw that getting a gf and going out on dates did in fact make them feel a lot better. We've read what women write when discussing their dating experience (because they wouldn't say this to us directly) and seen that getting that validation and affection did in fact make them feel better. I remember spending time with some late…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 11:11 PM
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I tried therapy and did not find it helpful. I have tried antidepressants and found they ended up hurting me more than they helped.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 03:34 PM
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Chad
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 12:44 PM
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Outsidemaxxed today and got mogged. Brutal. It's over.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 12:37 PM
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Turkey Twizzlers were banned from 2005 to 2020, and one of my friends spent all 15 years being mad about it. Your favourite guilty pleasure junk food might return eventually.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 12:52 AM
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?? I'm fairly sympathetic to not wanting to be called shallow. If somebody asked me for my dating preferences, I wouldn't just lead off with all the physical traits I find attractive. I can tell when somebody is annoyed by what they write. When many women here see lonely men being talked about in a sympathetic light, it's not a simple disagreement, they are genuinely irritated. It is evidently extremely important to them that lonely men are seen as shit people.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 12:45 AM
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It's obvious why many women talk out of both sides of their mouth here. I don't think it's all trolling. If they were straightforward about their dating standards, they would get called shallow very often. I'm somewhat sympathetic to this; if I just listed off all the physical traits I would find attractive in a partner then I'd get called superficial. Women's standards are really high at the moment as well as them setting a minefield of "icks" that men have to avoid. So it's more than just 1 or…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 12:00 AM
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Guys already do this and it is like putting a band-aid on an axe wound because the rest of society kicked us out without us doing anything wrong. A good social life involves hanging out in mixed gender spaces, dating, and being included. Not being perpetually single and spending time only with the other guys who've been deemed not lovable enough to be included. I don't really feel like launching into a huge debate tbh, because people are notoriously bad faith around this topic. But everyone know…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 09:07 PM
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And if I recall correctly, you're also married and as such aren't endlessly looking for romantic connection that you've never felt. "Women your own age may have left you by the wayside, but see this isn't a real problem because you can just hang out with your mom" is quite a take.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 08:20 PM
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I have very good emotional connections with my family. However, if your suggestion to "I'm lonely" is "go hang out with your significantly older parents until they die", then you're not being very candid
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 08:11 PM
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You've just tried to reduce romantic connection to only sex. Yeah, sure, men don't have emotions or need an 'emotional connection'. Won't lie, when I read comments like this I am alarmed. I wonder if you view all the men in your life as emotionally void cavemen who only want to put their penis in a vagina
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 07:59 PM
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Men continually explain the emotional importance of romantic relationships here and get told "no, you don't have those emotions, you just want sex". Buy hey I suppose if men weren't so unhappy, this sub would have zero content, so..
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 01:23 AM
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The TikToks you linked are all strawmen that don't engage with the arguments being made or just paint lonely men as terrible people using the just world fallacy (ie good people don't end up alone, if you are alone it's because you are a bad person). But it's interesting to me how any empathy shown towards lonely men is like fingernails on a chalkboard to you. If you want to talk about a "venomous response", you're easily one of the most venomous posters on this subreddit and I've seen you happil…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 01:03 AM
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Men don't really think like this since the risk of being physically hurt or killed in a relationship is much lower for us, and we're generally attention starved so aren't getting sex or attention or sometimes even social inclusion elsewhere. Hence this makes single and alone significantly worse for us, and means that a shitty relationship has to be shitty before men think about leaving. People lambast LVM for sticking it out in bad relationships, but tbh from their perspective it's pretty logica…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 11:42 PM
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It was actually pretty liberating for me to realize that I didn't actually have nearly as much control over my misery as I thought I did. Take time out and then go back in for more eduction when I'm highly motivated? Doesn't matter, the depression will hit too hard and I'll crash out. Look for treatment for that depression first? Doesn't matter, therapy has no effect and antidepressants eventually make me feel worse. The only thing that would've actually helped was to be more socially included b…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 10:03 PM
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tbh if you're actually fighting a guy, then fair, that's one of the best places to hit him
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 09:25 PM
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Did you consider that he might be into cock and ball torture?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 09:16 PM
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"I believe in the free market, except when people decide to not engage with products/services that I like, or when corporations decide it's more profitable to send out political messages that I don't agree with"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 07:58 PM
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Keep. I'm not interested in the social status of being "guy who has a girlfriend". The only regret I'd have is being unable to tell my parents since they are genuinely worried about my isolation at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 04:34 PM
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At this point I think it's bait
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 03:46 PM
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It's uncanny how often women will hear talk about loneliness and then try to link it back to how they felt in Middle School or younger. I'm sorry you all didn't feel happy through every single moment of puberty. Please take a step back, men's loneliness and mental health is in dire need of attention right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 03:41 PM
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Well I asked you two very straightforward questions about your opinions and you dodged twice. Do you take issue with my use of the term "psychologically disturbed"? What do you want me to call somebody who has cultural indoctrination, or obsessed about relationships but suffer from such serious OCD that they find sex and all body fluids to be disgusting - "mentally unwell"? That's fine, I can use other terms instead, but the essence is still that you think that being unable to have sex is entire…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 10:17 PM
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I'm replying in a second comment because I've changed the way I'm reading this conversation. I can tell when people are getting evasive. Which leads me to suspect that you do probably think that the reason why men here aren't having sex isn't because of anything external, but instead because they have various psychological conditions and are disgusted by sex. The above comment also leads me to believe that you also think that chasing after only the top cut of looks to the exclusion of other peop…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 09:52 PM
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Feel free to quote me on the part where I said that shared values and interests aren't important
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 09:36 PM
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Fully half or more of posts here are by sex averse men. That doesn't answer my question. You're assuming that they are sex averse by the fact that they are not having sex? ie the only reason why a man is not having sex is because he's actually (possibly secretly) disgusted by it? Come back after searching the red/black pill term:phrase “looks match” That just describes a man and a woman who are at a similar level of attractiveness. Do you think that the behavior of chasing after more attractive …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 09:11 PM
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I'll be honest, I've actually already encountered 5). Women openly rated the men in their vicinity, the men chose to ignore it. This turned out to be a mistake because, of course, this inevitably turned into a competition amongst the women to chase after the guys they'd agreed on were hotter than the rest.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 09:01 PM
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It's interesting to read sneering posts like these, since initially I was left completely confused and had to reconstruct the worldview that these sentences would imply. And this sub is dominated by men who appear to be in the ACE spectrum, or suffer viciously oppressive religious indoctrination. And some for certain suffer OCD, and find sex and bodily fluids to be disgusting. The sub is dominated by these men? I've turned this over in my mind and the only possible interpretation I can find is t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 08:56 PM
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If they're driven to online forums as their only form of social interaction, then plainly not. Outcasted men get radicalized and cause problems, the way you fix that is to stop the oucasting. We saw the full on mental breakdowns normies had during covid because their social lives were disrupted. This is a case of social needs are real for me but not for thee.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 09:14 PM
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When some men are socially excluded to this degree, the most obvious people to make friends with are other socially excluded men. What they all have in common is that they're bitter. The problem is that this is essentially how !ncel groups form. The healthier alternative is to be more welcoming towards men in mixed social spaces, both bloops and red pillers flip out every time I suggest this as a step towards deradicalization.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 06:45 PM
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Women have massively disproportionate social power compared to men, and cutting certain men out of mixed spaces essentially precludes them from having a social life at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 06:31 PM
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Yeah, it's very distressing really. I have firsthand experience of male depression not being taken seriously, much to my detriment. I also have plenty of experience in how socially excluded men can be. It seems like really obnoxious gaslighting to blame red pill influencers for that when I don't consume red pill content and absolutely none of my problems have come from that direction.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 06:29 PM
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In addition to a thread that was linked here recently, I've seen comments on social media and Tiktoks that make the following argument: "The male loneliness epidemic is actually caused by the surge of red pill content, which gives men horrible opinions about women and thus makes them undateable. The red pill is the main cause of male isolation." This seems very sneaky and also completely ahistorical, men have been lonely for a while now. From a man who thinks a lot of red pill ideology is actual…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 06:17 PM
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Somebody needs to switch the subtitles on re "preselection". It isn't about vetting to find a good guy. If this were the case, dating from your friend group would be the norm, and setting friends up to date would be seen as mutually beneficial. You know they have morals and pleasant personalities, you're helping other women find decent men. But women recoil at this idea. Preselection is about women choosing men that other women want to fuck, then winning the competition. It's about poaching mate…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 10:46 AM
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Women when men express vulnerability in a way that hasn't been totally restructured to appease women. I like how empathetic she and all the women in the comments are.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 10:30 AM
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Clubs are mid at best, I will die on this hill. They're stuffy, play generic music you've heard before, and sell you overpriced drinks. The ONLY draw to them is the combination of alcohol, dancing, and music that's so loud it covers for a lack of conversational ability, all mix together to maximize odds of getting laid. If it was just about alcohol or music, clubs would not be popular. This is just what clubs are about, there's no need for people to be coy about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 09:30 PM
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Only Chad is worth getting out of bed for, it simply can't be helped
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 09:13 PM
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It's because on female-dominated reddit subs, women often talk about how they hate men and prefer their vibrators. Of course, I'll concede that the problem with this sample is that women who have this attitude are much much more likely to post a lot on reddit as opposed to a true normie woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 09:12 PM
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The problem is that women are much more observant of men who aren't struggling. Complaints about being touched starved to them are necessarily underreported, as if they are paying attention to a man, he's likely not touch starved. Then, the complaints they do hear from men are perceived as not valid or entirely self-caused. That's essentially how we ended up with a male loneliness epidemic where almost no women take it seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 08:50 AM
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I thought it was a perfectly fair point of comparison. Male feelings often aren't taken seriously - if I describe an emotion men feel and it isn't immediately invalidated, I know I made my point really well. Anything less than hitting a home run will result in being told it's a skill issue. There's men who date women, and there's women who date women. There's no other comparison to make, and odds are criticizing how women behave in dating will only be taken seriously if it's from the PoV of othe…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 08:38 AM
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I have looked at both Menslib and Mensrights front page. There were about 1 to 2 issues I agreed with on both subs, but in general neither really hit the mark for me. A problem with the menslib attitude is they set up "strawmen" issues that are politically safe to tackle, then celebrate because they talked about issues that weren't the most pressing anyway. For me, my bad experiences in school were because I was very socially isolated and started to feel incredibly depressed around ages 17/18. N…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 05:47 PM
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The guys who have had success with women often have been successful since they were awkward, zitty, very far from being actualized, teenagers. I think a lot of this is due to a miserable downward spiral. Past a certain age, women don't want to be a guy's first anything, they expect men to have done every step of the dating process before. Consequently, being unwanted initially can result in being perpetually undesirable
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 05:08 PM
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and the modern age would disprove it. Arguing that men only really just want to rape women and it's social consequences that they're worried about is a terminally online take. Women weren't given much respect in ancient Greece, this is true. However, even in ancient Greece, women had the rights to a divorce. The average modern man generally tries to do right by other people, and it's pretty reasonable to want your sexual partners to be having a good time too.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 05:02 PM
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You asked for examples in human history of sex being used for more than just reproduction, and I gave them to you
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 04:34 PM
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It is, you can look at ancient Greek or Roman orgies as an example of this
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 04:27 PM
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We're not crocodiles. Bonobos are human's closest relative, and sex is used for all of greeting, forming social bonds, and reconciliation, it is more much than about gene passing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 04:12 PM
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You can look at Bonobos/other primates, other contemporary cultures, or thoughout history, to see that it's biological that humans crave sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 04:03 PM
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I think your average guy would probably stay with his gf/wife and do what he can to help her through it. But I also think there's a non-negligible number of men who are some combination of disagreeable, selfish, and spoilt for choice who would not do that. I would expect that the ones who wouldn't, would receive some degree of backlash. The part that really irritates me about "the ick" is that it's a term that provides a degree of cover for really toxic attitudes like you discussed, by lumping t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 08:00 AM
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The blue pill of today is so different from the blue pill when I first got online. We've moved from "exercise, treat people right, be considerate, and put effort into your appearance, and you'll certainly find a date" to an endless Kafka trial with the charge of having a bad personality, and also dating isn't important but you're a loser if you can't, and a just world fallacy that they have to be remarkably evasive about.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 01:44 PM
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Genuinely, the fact that we have users who everyone knows are not here to argue in good faith does seriously impact the quality of the sub. They are trolls, we know they are trolls, they will even occasionally admit they are trolls, but they're still here expecting us to take their points seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 01:24 PM
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When I was younger, I really internalized the message that "women like guys who are good at sports". I remember completing a race that I'd been training really hard for, it was also an obstacle course so I'd been running for very nearly an hour over a lot of uneven terrain. When I got back home, showered and fell asleep, I remembering thinking, that in some cosmic sense, I'd made myself more attractive by working hard. I was of course, very wrong. But the idea that being undesirable is something…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 12:58 PM
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The genre of red pill on this sub is pretty strange and incongruent with the red pill outside of it. Red pill influencers freely admit men have it really bad in dating right now, they don't do any of this "everything's fine, actually 😡" nonsense that you see here.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 12:07 PM
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I can't get mad at her. She's good looking and techy, the reward/effort ratio of being an egirl on twitch is too good not to do
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 11:59 AM
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Are you sure you want to open up the "mean comment written on twitter actually represents an entire demographic" can of worms?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 11:37 AM
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Lmao, I understand your viewpoint perfectly fine. You just haven't realized that your viewpoint completely implodes if the people who were dealt absolute shit cards in life still view dating problems as a major source of unhappiness
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 10:54 AM
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You're not the only I've heard this viewpoint from, it's disturbingly common on subs like these. And the point has still soared right over your head
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 10:40 AM
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Re: "Some people have REAL problems other than datelessness bro, go out and volunteer and help others" This was commented on recently, but definitely isn't the first time I've seen this sentiment, and I would like to put it under the microscope. See, the thing is that I have actually volunteered and helped people with severe disabilities. The list of things that they won't ever be able to do was very long. But dating was a particular sore spot for them, and we were actually specific instructed n…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 09:15 AM
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I'd like to add my own feelings to this. The last time I went clubbing with friends I didn't get any attention and drank some gin and tonics. Not a bad experience but we could've just not gone to the club, and bought the alcohol instead. Then people say the difference is between extroverts and introverts, but miss that people have very difference experiences going clubbing. From my own experiences, anyone rational would think it was "eh" at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 08:46 AM
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I hope it all goes well for you 🙏
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 08:08 AM
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It's so gross. Who's the GDP going up for, hmm? Is it you? I'm glad your manager's boss' boss made more this year though, and I'm sure the shareholders are happy about the increase in the quarterly earnings
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 07:59 AM
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I'm here
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 07:53 AM
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Good response. You cut through the bullshit and went right for the actual belief behind the ambiguity
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 04:55 AM
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That's a good pick, he's clearly handsome but the face still has some uniqueness to it. I want to take part in this trend, but I'm kind of just condensed bitterness incarnate on this reddit account and I don't want the indie artists/micro celebs I have a crush on to be associated with it u_u
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 08:43 PM
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Unfathomably based and also objectively proportionate
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 08:14 PM
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Sorry to hear that a boy said something rude to you in math class, Lily, it must have been a truly jarring experience that justifies your continual seething at men here. If you want, I can inform you of other cherrypicked examples of men doing bad things throughout history so you can get mad at men here for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 06:21 PM
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It's hilarious because I hadn't seen this comment and you covered the name, but I was already 100% sure who had posted it. The personalities of cartoon characters have more depth.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 06:12 PM
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Somebody needs to tell his fangirls on social media that he is 5'6. This is obviously completely irrelevant to the crime he committed or any moral guilt, but somehow I think this might change some fangirls' opinions.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 05:52 PM
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Example of some genuinely good intuition right here. He went street racing and crashed into a woman and her child
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 05:48 PM
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Yes but one of those situations (being odd and included vs being outcasted) is vastly superior to the other, and you can see it play out again and again both in real life and on online spaces where people talk about their experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 05:42 PM
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It is strange to see how salty they get over men being diagnosed earlier. I received my diagnosis at 18 because I was socially excluded in a very calculated way, which caused me to develop serious depression on top of having zero ways to develop myself socially. But I'm the privileged one because I was diagnosed sooner, and it wasn't until their mid to late twenties that they got irked other people pick up on social cues easier? It doesn't fit.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 05:39 PM
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People in the replies seem to be confusing talking smack behind somebody's back, with judgements that have serious negative effects on your social life, not just "she has bad fashion sense" 🤦
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 05:21 PM
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I think there's this myth of some figure who other people always fully respect as an actualized person, and it doesn't really work that way. People are mostly just looking to see if you slot into their lives and most interactions with other people are very surface level. If there's an alternative to being socially shunned without reprieve or pity, then that is by far the more desirable option.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 05:14 PM
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Yeah I can see how really obvious stimming might make other people feel disconcerted. When I talk about masking I mean an even higher threshold than "maintain eye contact and don't info dump about a topic you know other people have zero interest in", I mean things like small aspects of body language, making sure that when you say something it can't possibly be misinterpreted negatively, etc. Mind you though, I've seen ND women behave straight up inconsiderately and men just move on from it like …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 04:56 PM
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Yes, I think I've had about 1 chance at going on a date in the last decade and I missed it because I couldn't promptly read signals that were never stated. It is kind of telling that men often pine for awkward gamer girls with special interests, while women respond with "Ick, no" towards any social irregularities whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 04:39 PM
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That would be because there's more men at the extreme end of the spectrum, who can't mask at all. I narrowed it down to high functioning only, because of this. I even thought carefully about ND men/women I know personally. Men give ND women a ton of social leeway, I can remember plenty of examples I have personally seen to demonstrate this. Conversely, women are very trigger happy to enact social punishment on men, even if the behavior was innocuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 04:32 PM
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While it's true that the entire courtship process is men expending emotional labor with little expectation placed on women, I think the difference is even more extreme. It goes even beyond women being excused for small social faux pas while men generally aren't. Even a voice that is slightly more flat than it should be, small irregularities in body language, even a moment of any social awkwardness whatsoever all trigger women to respond "Ick. No. Not interested." Idt I can ever overcome that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 04:13 PM
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The difference in quality of social life between high functioning autistic men and women is staggering. Same condition, same effort put into masking, sometimes men even put in more effort. Women post about how it causes small run-of-the-mill issues in their relationships and friendships, men post about how they have never been on a single date ever. I suppose this is just the consequence of men's dating requirements for women being look ok-ish and be vaguely considerate of other people. Meanwhil…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 03:45 PM
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Oh God that was so egregious. The young guy in court went street racing in a Ford Mustang his rich parents gave him, and crashed into a mother and her child while travelling over 100 mph. The only "plot twist" is that he's good-looking. Which is why he gathered a horde of fangirls on social media insisting he's innocent. ""Personality"" 🤮🤮🤮
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 04:04 PM
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That is sometimes the case. The reality is that dating does just happen later for some people than others, so they end up complaining about it then go on a date aged 19 or whatever. I also think a lot of the young women here are deliberately getting in their own way and they'll find a date within a month of deciding to not be so resentful of men - while it's true that you can mask these things, I don't think that they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 03:44 PM
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That's correct, it's because there's significantly more lonely men than there are lonely women. The other thing I've noticed, and it genuinely is a pattern, is that when women complain about not being able to date anyone, there is a tendency for them to be dating a guy about a year later, sometimes less. The lonely women often don't stay lonely for very long.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 03:26 PM
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If somebody is deliberately and flagrantly breaking the rules of the sub, what do YOU think you should do?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 04:52 AM
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I could've wrote a sincere paragraph in response but then you would've thought you'd made a valid point. I've been around a lot of other high functioning people with disabilities, getting into relationships is a huge concern for them. But I have also spent time volunteering to help low functioning people with disabilities. Many of them thought nonstop about how they can't date, that's how I KNOW you haven't done the same and this "go help other people bro" bit is a LARP. People with these issues…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 02:11 AM
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I was born with a disability, and the worst part of it is how it impacts my ability to form romantic relationships. You don't speak for anyone with a disability, kindly fuck off
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 01:47 AM
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I have realized something important: When somebody says dateless/sexlessness is just an attitude problem, it's because they only listen to women and only think their complaints are valid, then project that on to men. Social media algos have been showing me femcel content recently, despite the fact that I'm male. Anyway, their complaints don't boil down to being sad that no man will date them. They spend significantly more time talking about how they think men are all violent at worst and selfish…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 06:38 AM
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When you read stories about women's mental health issues, common threads are that they have people who care and check in with them. They have people who are understanding and it's rare that women are iced out and shown zero empathy. They are not precluded from dating until they solve their issues. By contrast, men are told they need to bootstrap their way up. How can you expect anyone to love you if you don't love yourself? I have only ever heard this phrase directed at men. Men go years feeling…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 08:15 PM
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See this is the sane take, and it's one I agree with. Not all people feel the same way
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 07:58 PM
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Women pretty regularly post that it's a huge "ick" if men follow models on instagram, for example. Personally I think they need to pick between drooling over handsome celebrities, and policing what men view on social media.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 05:08 PM
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I like your attempt to make the person who lost the argument the right one whilst acknowledging they failed I did no such thing. Bloop trolls are pretty easy to argue against because they've been using the same playbook for over a decade and are obviously more interested in schadenfreude than the actual facts. What's not easy is when dipshit redpillers decide to serve them up softballs and give them a moral high ground, then making an argument becomes more like threading a needle rather than sho…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 04:07 PM
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Too many of you need to take a step back and figure out how to put a decent argument together 😐 yes I am referring to one post in particular There are indeed people who comment on here and we both know they're being disingenuous and typing with a shit-eating grin on their face, but some of you are obviously trying to argue well and failing
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 02:02 PM
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Me, I'm 26. During my very early days in uni I had a girl appear vaguely interested in me during a night out drinking. Her and her friend both seemed pretty drunk so I just made sure they got back to their uni rooms ok. She seemed to lose that interest the next morning. That's the only time I've felt I was vaguely close to going on a date, that was over 7 years ago now. To this day I'm still a dateless kissless virgin :/
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 01:18 AM
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Oh, let me explain. My attitude towards single women is not because of resentment nor misogyny. It is simply because of a lightbulb moment. When single women say they can't find a man because they're all totally undesirable, ugly, usually some moral statement about how they are bad people. If you are a man who has difficulty dating, she is talking about YOU. It doesn't matter if you're a good-natured guy who has put effort into becoming a better partner, and is looking for romantic companionship…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 01:04 AM
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I looked through this femcel sub and found what I was expecting
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 03:13 AM
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It's pretty clear what you're gesturing at, it's dudes complaining on reddit about women lusting after man who did [objectively awful thing].
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 01:27 AM
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You have to do a lot of gymnastics to lump the celebrities who abuse their girlfriends, or perhaps even worse, and still have women lusting after them, in together with anonymous redditors who vent online.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 01:21 AM
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The reason why this has prevented me from engaging or pursuing a romantic relationship is because women detect that there is something off about me and even if I haven't done anything wrong in particular, this triggers an "ick" response which means they're not interested in dating me. The uncanny valley effect describes how people feel uneasy around lifelike robots, except in this case I'm the robot who mimics other humans' behavior closely but not exactly. GridReXX describes in the OP how very …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 05:24 AM
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Nobody is insisting on being a needy pathetic miserable loser. I've just presented you with the ideas that a) you shouldn't give the same treatment to all of a psychotherapist patients and b) people have baseline social needs, and you are tailspinning
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 03:54 AM
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Dude, I did answer your question by picking it apart, you just didn't like the answer
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 02:06 AM
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I see you just skipped over the part where I mentioned that isolation is agreed upon by psychologists as being as damaging if not more than chronic smoking and obesity. Okay Your question presumes that I'm arguing "actually being miserable when alone is helpful!" when I'm not, which means that yet again, you have strawmanned what my argument is. My argument is that the problems guys here suffer from is completely different to what you are assuming it is. And the reason why I know this advice is …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 11:53 PM
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There is no black and white thinking on my end and the guys here aren't attached to their own misery. I never said any of the things you listed in your third paragraph, you are strawmanning me. I said that you are mismatching the treatment to the ailment. If the guys here genuinely couldn't function alone, they would already be dead. I'm very aware of what attention addiction looks like, and it isn't complaining about your problems online while deliberately staying anonymous. You're not dealing …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 08:45 PM
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While I would suspect that you're not wrong, social media has cranked up the looks threshold and made people chase looks like junkies looking for their next fix. This also doesn't address guys who genuinely don't meet the looks threshold. But yes I've seen guys who aren't as good looking as I am go out on dates. If I posted a picture of myself on here and said I had no women interested in me I would get laughed at. But it is true, the reason why is just that I'm diagnosed autistic. The idea that…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 08:06 PM
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He is talking about people who "NEED to be popular" and constant affirmation right before he says learn to be happy alone. This matches attention seekers/addicts, and doesn't match the men here who gave learned how to spend time alone and have rationally decided that being permanently alone is incredibly unfulfilling. You've stumbled across a piece of eating advice intended for the obese, and are trying to apply it to the malnourished.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 07:47 PM
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"Can you guys just fuck off and hang out with each other" is kinda how we got to this situation in the first place though
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 05:57 AM
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Just wait until he hears that autistic men are significantly more likely to be victims of crime too 💀
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 04:52 AM
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I've already done a breakdown of what % of people end up never having sex despite wanting to. Autistic men completely eclipse all other groups: https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/1f35fzy/this_will_always_be_posts_with_affirmative_claims/lkg9ypv/
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 04:46 AM
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Don't worry, the vast majority of women on this sub agree with you so you're in good company. So long as men don't seek out younger or slimmer women, that's shallow and creepy
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 04:36 AM
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My other comment is significantly longer but the fact that men are so worried that crying will turn women off is unimaginably fucked. I see the "go talk to a therapist about your emotions because I don't want to deal with them" attitude as incredibly sociopathic, we don't treat women like this
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 04:22 AM
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It seems every time I talk about male issues on reddit I encounter somebody who's just exceedingly bothered that I dared to do so. I know firsthand male issues aren't taken seriously since at age 18 I stated in unambiguous terms to mulltiple authority figures in my life that I was highly depressed, that I was socially isolated. I received very little in the way of help for this, and was just given a blood test that I never heard the results of. I've tried therapy, I did not find it useful. I've …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 04:13 AM
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There's plenty of issues that can be taken more seriously, suicide being the biggest cause of death for young men is a huge one. Steps need to be taken to ensure that young men aren't so isolated with zero support networks in the first place. The issues with current left wing rhetoric is that it assumes young men are the perpetrators and never the victim, and consequently are the cause of the problem. This means all stick, no carrot. Young men with a mental health issue aren't taken seriously un…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 03:28 AM
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We're so boned. They'd rather watch it all burn down and blame young men, rather than change rhetoric to have a shot at winning
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 03:11 AM
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He is definitely going to kill himself in prison just like Epstein did when all the cameras go out and the guards are on break
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 02:53 AM
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I don't have a problem with people being fat or a fat person losing weight. The thing that's irritating in this case is somebody claiming "you just need to do x to get a date", when that thing is something the rest of us have been doing the entire time.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 01:28 AM
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I went running between 4 to 5 times per week in high school, and expectedly, have never been anywhere close to being fat. Never been on a date either. I'm not short but I have other genetically determined issues that are why I can't date. The part he's probably pissed off about, and I am too, is that afterwards we get to hear about how you just have to exercise to get girls. Some of us have been slim the entire time and have gotten 0 (zero) dates
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 01:03 AM
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Talk about a straw man? Who the fuck told you 15-16 was the starting line? Where is that written? That's the age that people often start dating. Some quick searching around reveals the most frequent age of first kiss is at 15. Do you want to nitpick and say 17 instead? because I don't really care. You've really done a lot of running around at this issue, when my initial point was that guys aren't just sitting around ignorant and engrossed in some video game/anime, they know they're missing out t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 07:48 PM
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In other words: 15-16 year olds are FOMO-ing a lie You've just set up another strawman. I was expressly talking about dating, people often don't start having sex the same age they start dating. The age range I gave is pretty normal for people to start dating and I picked that age because you talked about retrospective FOMO, ie if dudes wanted to start dating right from the start line then they weren't off not caring about that while they were engrossed in anime/whatever as you initially characte…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 06:18 PM
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???? If you want to talk about FOMO it's perfectly reasonable to assume you're including developmental years, that's roughly the age that people start dating. And there's plenty of stats which show that men aren't actually dating at the rate they used to - rising sexlessness, more than double the % of gen z never went out on a date during their teen years compared to boomer men, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 05:50 PM
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I think you're aware to some degree that you're strawmanning atp. If dating was that easy men would just go out and date. You're also, perhaps deliberately, confusing chicken and egg - my hobbies are solitary hobbies because those are the only ones I can do. I'd love to have spent more time at parties with friends but I was never invited to any. 1nc3ldom isn't some retrospective regret either. Most men are aware from age 15/16 that they are missing out, but the difference is that some men end up…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 05:40 PM
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When I was very young, I was weak and uncoordinated. So I exercised frequently, did a hell of a lot of cardio, joined a running team, chatted with a bunch of people, put effort into being more outgoing. Even before that I was taking conscious steps to be more agreeable and easygoing. Still ended up as 1nc3l as you can get. The reason why redpill/theotherpill men aren't lining up with their testimonials is that doing so results in their life experiences being put under a microscope by people who …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 05:19 PM
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this in-group bias is so strong that women believe that other women were objectively right, hence any man having dating problems is objectively a terrible human being. I wrote the above, and you chased it down immediately with Right, but I feel like men’s dating problems are like “I refuse to make myself attractive to the opposite sex because I want women to ‘give me’ sex without having to expend any effort, the way they do with Chad. Also I’m repressing all my emotions because toxic masculinity…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 06:28 PM
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Oh it colors every single discussion on here, it's so egregious. It's why in every single dating discussion ever, for women's problems men must go above and beyond to fix them but also that's the bare minimum, while women don't owe men anything and men must learn to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps after they're done helping women. A huge reason why men having dating problems get zero sympathy or empathy is because this in-group bias is so strong that women believe that other women wer…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 03:17 PM
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The men who talk about sex is a psychological need aren't the same group of men shaming women for having it. The former group are mostly consistent, and the latter group are essentially LARPing in order to try to seem tough on the internet. I've wrote about here before how I don't think anyone actually believes red pill rhetoric, and that it will eventually be replaced by blckpill, and this is another example of it. Just look at what red pill influencers are doing. They endlessly criticize women…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 01:51 PM
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Even unenthusiastic pity sex would be a significant improvement to my life. But it is worth noting that this scenario has been purposefully made as unappealing as it can be. Yes I'm significantly more interested in romantic connection. Somebody who was willing to cuddle with me and show basic affection but not have sex would probably be more satisfying than what was described here. But I don't fall into what I'd think of as the major traps set by red pill content, I'm just one of the men affecte…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 11:06 PM
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The hot water is still out so I have moved back into my parent's place. They are on holiday right now but gave me express permission to move in when I told them what was going on. For the first time since Thursday I'm not shivering 🥰
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 10:37 PM
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Thank you, this would be an extremely promising application
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 05:47 PM
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Potentially. If they aren't working on it by Monday I'm in bad shape
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 05:46 PM
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It's a problem with the water pressure, unfortunately, I can't pay my way out of this
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 05:28 PM
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The hot water is still not working and therefore I don't have any central heating. I am now taking applications for a gf to cuddle and stay warm with. I will accept higher BMI candidates as additional blubber is currently advantageous
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 05:22 PM
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Agree with the sentiment here, FUCK polygamy. Horrible idea that doesn't work in practice and never leaves all parties happy. Hook up culture rather than aiming for long term relationships is a big reason why people are so miserable right now, and polygamy is essentially the idea of "hmm what if we just had hook up culture forever"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 08:41 PM
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*bows* Thank you, thank you
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 10:44 PM
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I come across very robotic both online and irl, but on this sub I have some serious competition to contend with
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 10:43 PM
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Yeah that's fair. I thought I could rawdog it a bit, but it's the middle of December and I'm not used to icy showers so I backed out fast
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 10:41 PM
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God damn that sucks, if this was in Russia it would've been icy too. My hair is longer than it has been in a long time now so showering took longer than it could've been. I remember when I was in Africa for a few weeks they had a bucket rigged up that was overhead with a closable hole in the bottom. I'm hoping this gets fixed tomorrow but if it doesn't I'm gonna see if I can figure out a DIY situation with water bottles
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 10:39 PM
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The hot water is out where I am living today. I heated water up on the stove, poured it into a bucket, and showered anyway. I did this multiple times until I was clean. I deserve extra good personality points for this Thank you for reading
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 10:24 PM
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No it doesn't. I can just as easily argue that gen z boys and men simply lack the social skills and desire for dating. I'm already aware that you're going to argue men all suck, dating's fine, and all problems young men have are entirely self-caused, don't worry. There's plenty of data to suggest that men have serious body issues. There's plenty of data to suggest that men aren't dating as much as they used to, despite wanting to. But no amount of data from dating apps, no general social survey …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 08:33 PM
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Stating something is false does not make it false The fact that dating in high school was a significantly more common occurrence for boomers than it is for gen z proves this. I did support my claim. Also a lie. This on the other hand is you not supporting your claim. that's a lie too since women are the ones who fought against body shaming. Why do so many young men keep expecting women to do men's social justice work for them? Incredibly disingenuous. Men actually engaged with talk about unreaso…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 07:24 PM
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They're not a couple, these are models selected for a fashion show
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 07:05 PM
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Yes that's why we see a variety of different body types women, but for men it's exclusively washboard abs and tall. The image below is pretty standard for fashion nowadays. <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 06:57 PM
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This is basically the same argument that people use as to why the minimum wage can't possibly be raised, when we all know it can lol. I feel like it would be so easy to trick you guys into just accepting a completely shit society where everything sucks because you have zero imagination as to how things could possibly be better. Women aren't in some short supply. They just currently have unrealistic expectations of what men should look like, and this can be cranked up or down depending on the med…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 06:46 PM
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Complete nonsense. Men were dragged into this conversation and scolded for preferring certain body types. A lot of the rhetoric around beauty standards for women was specifically aimed at men, and talked about their "unrealistic expectations for women". If you look at who was considered attractive back in the 1970s, it's going to overwhelmingly be slim white blonde women. I don't actually mind a greater variety in what's considered attractive. But what does irk me is that men are used to having …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 06:46 PM
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Wasn't what I was commenting on at all. This doesn't engage with any of the substance of what I talked about.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 06:42 PM
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Women have a HELL of a lot more variety in how they can look like and still be perceived as attractive as opposed to men. Lizzo was extremely heavy and men don't like it when you present them with a very fat woman and demand they find her attractive. But what this does do is open up beauty standards for women in a normal range. Thicker women can be attractive, slimmer women without curves can be attractive. Height isn't that much of a factor. But when you look at men, it's very rigid as to what …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 06:26 PM
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This doesn't refute anything of what I said at all. I discussed how beauty standards get completely warped to insane levels, I didn't mention anything about forcibly pairing people off. Dating doesn't have to be shit with unreasonably high standards, but to some degree I think that PPDers like that the dating "economy" is so much worse that was just a few decades ago, because if we were still in the boomer dating economy, PPD would have almost no content.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 06:07 PM
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Well your opinions don't mean much to me, the general population is as quiet as a church mouse when women are talking about societal beauty standards. To this day I have not seen any pushback of "you're not entitled" aimed at feminists complaining about beauty standards. What this results in is one side having free range when talking about beauty standards, and the other being told "you're not entitled" when attempting to have exactly the same discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 06:01 PM
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This energy completely disappears when people are talking about body standards for women
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 05:29 PM
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This post kind of has the same energy as people who say "Well the economy sucks now, what can we do about it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯". There's a lot of things that society can do to help with the problem, and we know this because we saw serious efforts to push for a variety of different body types in women to be seen as attractive, and then the ladder got pulled up when it came to men. We know for a fact that it's significantly harder for men to date, find relationships, and have sex than it used to be. This …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 05:15 PM
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I won't lie, I generally don't like it. It's obviously possible for a hot woman to dye her hair a really bright color and still be hot, but typically in my opinion it's more likely to be a negative than a plus. I think platinum blonde hair that's obviously dyed can look great, but this might not be what you were asking when you used the term "colorful dyed hair". My politics are pretty liberal so that's not a deterrent for me, but it's also true that some women who are unattractive anyway have c…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 09:17 PM
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Completely understandable, this sub sucks. I wish you the best of luck for the future
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 08:19 PM
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I have generally negative feelings about the twitter account you linked since he is an absolutely notorious cherry picker. Are we sure that reddit poster doesn't have some other serious issues going on? I'm as KHHV as they come, and have been getting hit with "my boyfriend" for a very long time. This year, I was talking to an attractive woman who was only around 1 year older than me, and she mentioned her husband. I have never reacted with even 1% of whatever that screencap is. This isn't just p…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 04:28 PM
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If women were instead men, they'd simply be the main character of an action movie. Start by saying "She doesn't wanna dance buddy", with a deep growling voice. Does the drunk have a knife? Doesn't matter, grab his arm air-swooshingly fast, flip him round as the camera spins to match the drunk's perspective, now he's on the ground with his arm twisted. Deliver witty one-liner "I see you're a fan of the worm". Drunk rests his head on the ground in defeat. Exit stage with now two girlfriends, one u…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 11:37 AM
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Throwing hands is literally the last resort option, and yes it's more likely that a man intervening would get stabbed in this situation than a woman. The better go-to moves are try to de-escalate the situation, or, get out of there. I think there have been about 2 occasions where I've been out late at night, and some dude comes up to bother me about something, and I didn't like how it felt, so I dashed full speed away. Weird? Yes, but it was also by far the safest thing for me to do. With that b…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 10:34 AM
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because of my gynecomastia, I have to sleep on the same side every night, else it's highly uncomfortable. If there were any serious negative effects from sleeping on the same side every night, I would certainly have noticed them by now
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 10:01 PM
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Pretty good summary. I am bored of the general trend that it's socially acceptable to play spectacularly bad faith when talking about any issue that predominantly affects men
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 09:50 PM
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Men frequently have women challenging their sexual preferences. This has been the background noise for us since puberty. I don't mind having my sexual preferences challenged as long as women can take it as well as dish it out. The reason why height is such a prickly subject is because not only is it genetically hard coded, but women's preferences are very uniform, and exclusive. Only around 14% of men are 6 foot or over. You wrote that men also like their women to be shorter, I'm between 5'10 an…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 09:10 PM
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It's pretty believable that he is bi, because once he admitted to having had sex with a man, there's no reason to pretend to not be just gay if he is. If he was worried about homophobia, admitting to having had sex with another man would already draw that out.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 08:04 PM
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It does irritate me when women, using feminist language, argue that male loneliness is obviously not a societal problem and is just personal. It's consistently done in a very dismissive way too. What is really being gestured at here are the politics of what's attractive and desirable in society. Let me be clear: men didn't open this Pandora's box, feminists did so. We've watched as feminists have worked overtime to chip away at male preferences towards conventionally attractive women in every fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 07:50 PM
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Genuinely, most conversations around dating are gaslighting attempts
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 05:45 PM
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That's understandable, that's a sentiment I'd agree with
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 07:56 PM
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Idk I know there's other autists who would disagree, but it is definitely possible to "self-improve" your autism, Let me clarify, you can mask autism and it works to some degree, I have been taking steps to mask since around age 13-14. I hadn't actually been diagnosed at this stage, but I had recognized that I wasn't as good at picking up on social cues as other people and that I needed to take additional steps to be more agreeable than I would otherwise be. But the root cause of the issue is th…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 07:50 PM
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Right but if we're debating about self-improvement and how effective it is on this sub, then the idea that somebody could have a good fitness regimen and still have nothing change dating-wise, would undermine the idea of self-improvement being a panacea for dating problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 07:43 PM
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While I agree with the sentiment that dating really does "just happen" for women, it's not just the women on this sub that are pushing narratives around self-improvement being a panacea for all dating problems - the idea that somebody can just bootstrap harder is omnipresent throughout all bloop discourse
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 07:40 PM
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That would be the autism, which I've written about in this comment here: np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/1he8hab/comment/m2238nk/ But that's still a refutation to the idea of "self-improvement can cure all" since while you can work on masking (I have), you can't actually cure it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 07:34 PM
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When I get to meet new people, sooner or later they detect I'm neurodiverse and masking. This means I have an uncanny valley effect and the women decide I'm not dating material at best, and take a disliking to me at worst.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 07:31 PM
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Lol except that there are more than just blue pill neck beards on the sub. Ok but the bulk of the time I'm locking horns with somebody, it's a blue pill neckbeard. This is unsurprising given that they will post disproportionately more here than the actual normie demographic. Maybe there's just something off about you that you are unable to realize for yourself That would be the autism, which I'm very aware of and take steps to mitigate - normal people don't have to regulate their personality as …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 07:22 PM
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Yeah I'll be blunt, this is kind of alarming. She still looks great here, she's just unposed. I'm assuming the men tweeting these sentiments think the baseline is a hot woman taking a series of posed photographs, selecting the best ones, then airbrushing them. Which means the men in agreement have had their brains completely fried by social media lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 07:09 PM
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I was watching a youtube clip earlier today, and the topic of fitness came up. A streamer made the point that RFK's greater focus on fitness in school would help youths, because obesity leads to !nc£ldom. I am aware that saying A input leads to B outcome, is not the same as saying B outcome is therefore a result of A input. But this still got me thinking, when I was a teenager I was going running between 4 and.5 days a week, ate healthy, and was about as far from obese as you could possibly get.…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 07:01 PM
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100%. People quite evidently can change what they're attracted to. But if they're going to continue being hooked to social media, be completely uncritical of it and never rein in their standards then if course they won't change. To be even more blunt, "hot woman" used to mean slim white woman who was more often than not blonde. But now, there's a far greater range of women that men find attractive. Yet we still see people argue beauty standards are completely inflexible.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 06:46 PM
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Pretty sure I'm on the radar here somewhere. I think a lot of people just perceive guys expressing negative feelings here as just venting but for me it's really just the tip of the iceberg
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 06:31 PM
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The sooner you learn to set an independent standard that you want to achieve, the happier you'll be. If you know 100 people, it's not likely that you'll be in the top 1% of everything. Mind you, aged 18 my grades dropped from straight As to Cs, and I then watched my peers go to Cambridge, Oxford, Harvard, Stanford etc. So learning this lesson for me was like getting punched in the face by Mike Tyson
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 06:24 PM
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The vast, vast majority of women are absolutely not ok with being single forever. A lot of their dating behavior is predicated on the observation that they always have attention on tap, and a relationship within reach. Observe how incredibly uncomfortable women become if they are past their early 30s and don't have a husband lined up. I feel like this post strawmans an actual position held on this sub, which is that because women spend a lot of time on social media, where airbrushed celebrity pi…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 02:06 PM
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Back in the early to mid 2010s, MGTOW was talked about a lot. Today, it is recognized as a c0pe, and a fundamentally miserable ideology that is contradictory and doesn't work. Now, look at current red pill influencers. Do not "No True Scotsman" me. Think about who their content is obviously designed to appeal to, hint: it starts with an i and ends with cel, or more specifically the angrier portion of the demographic who still thinks they are a temporarily embarrassed millionaire. Why else are th…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 05:54 PM
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I went to a wealthy school and it wasn't taught there either. I genuinely think the girls would've complained
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 05:25 PM
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Initially my reaction was like "eh, at least they're not thirsting after a Wade Wilson type of criminal this time around". Then I realized I'd lowered the bar to such an extent that anything better than a neo nazi who would instantly murder them if given any opportunity was clearing the bar. Dunno what to say really, the realization that violence is in itself sexually attractive is genuinely distressing to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 02:40 PM
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I'll be honest, reading talk about self-improvement from you comes across a little weird when I know you're built like a jello cup
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 07:14 AM
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Any discussion on loneliness that carried through to adulthood
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 05:10 PM
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Not related to recent posts here. If you have a story about feeling like an outcast and it was all resolved by the time you were at college, at which point you had a decent social life, don't share the story. It's not applicable, and you're rubbing salt in the wound. Thank you
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 05:00 PM
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Oh don't get me wrong, what you said wasn't bad advice, it's actually a pretty good idea. It's just that the magnitude of my issue is greater than what's normal, and it's very optimistic to assume a woman would want to hook up with me in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 07:41 AM
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26 year old here, and yes I'm involuntarily celibate and dateless. I see elsewhere in this post you've argued it's an online echo chamber problem to do with the rise of pill content. Ironically, aged 16 I was pretty chilled out and didn't consume any radical content. What pushed me to my current viewpoint was being carefully socially excluded irl, and shown very little empathy. This has had a seriously negative impact on my life for the last 9 years. My new worldview isn't about hating women, bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 07:35 AM
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I respect the attempt, in any case
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 07:13 AM
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I've genuinely never been anywhere near to having a woman in my bed, and at this point trying to have a couple of drinks to make up for the inexperience is like putting a band aid on a broken arm
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 06:51 AM
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Well you're reading about them fucking now. On a side note I think this is a rabbit hole that's bad for your mental health to go down. But this sets the scene for why women don't think dating is difficult for guys - the guys they were dating and having casual sex with had already dated and had casual sex with many different women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 06:47 AM
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The infuriating part is this directly supports arguments that 80/20 rule exists. The guys they're talking about fucking here no doubt are men who have been having a ton of sex ever since they were teenagers, hence why they're experienced and not at all nervous. But they'll say it's 1nc3l rhetoric if I state that there is a larger portion of women chasing and fucking a small portion of men
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 06:39 AM
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I wonder what their reaction is going to be if the argument is made that therefore they shouldn't chase sex like this in their 20s
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 06:19 AM
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Good morning. Are you going to nap or stay up and push through?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 06:13 AM
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I think a key difference here is that if somebody was being paid min wage and had financial problems, then went on reddit and said "actually, being paid a decent wage would fix 90% of my problems", people wouldn't flip out. People are especially punitive towards those who state that lack of romantic love and affection are the root cause of their misery
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 02:21 AM
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Ok thank you, I will go and get it checked out. The reason why I'm less panicked now is that contracting an STD is a scares me significantly more than having my life threatened by tetanus.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/24 07:06 PM
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I think I had a tetanus shot exactly 9 years ago. I will probably phone my GP tomorrow, but it was a small wound and when I got home I immediately washed it out with soap and water. I'm aware getting pricked by a sewing pin is still dangerous but at this point I'm just relieved it wasn't anything worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/24 06:47 PM
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I remember that exact comment chain. She was indeed accused of attention fishing which I thought was unreasonable. She also utterly refused to engage with any male exclusive gender issues, and insisted that because she had social and dating opportunities that men looking to date women must too. She wasn't so much arguing with men but making a proclamation about what dating women is like, and immediately got extremely frustrated when men responded that this isn't what it's like for us. Feels like…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/24 06:40 PM
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I got a GP that I can call, which I'm thinking I will still probably do. But now that I've pretty much confirmed it was indeed a sewing needle, I'm not worried about HIV.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/24 05:49 PM
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Update re this: np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/1h9heg3/comment/m1144si/ I have been looking at images of needles and pins online. I am now 99.9% sure that what went into my foot was a sewing pin. Not a needle. It got mangled under the impact of my shoe and obviously my blood got on it so I wasn't sure initially, but now I'm about as sure as I can be after google image searching. This makes sense because it happened near a bus stop (ie where old women prefer to travel) rather than near…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/24 05:30 PM
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that is a good idea. I'm thinking I should probably call my GP tomorrow :/
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/24 02:44 PM
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I've noticed this. The assertion is that it's ok for men to cry. What are they actually ok with men crying about? Literally nothing. Genuinely makes me angry
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/24 02:18 PM
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I'm genuinely shaken up right now. While I was out walking on the sidewalk, I stepped on something sharp, it went right up into my shoe and punctured my foot. Because of how the head was shaped (rounded), I'm pretty sure it was a pin, I'm hoping to fuck it wasn't a needle. But it was still out on the sidewalk and went into my foot. Imagine how shitty my luck would have to be to both be a permavirgin and catch an STD by literally just walking. Jesus christ
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/24 02:01 PM
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I have already spent a lot of time volunteering for charity in the past and it didn't make me feel better or give me any sense of fulfilment. Nowadays I don't support the idea of doing any work that isn't paid and in general I support the idea of being entirely selfish in the face of a society that has excluded me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 05:23 AM
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Yeah in this case the hit/miss distinction is pretty objective
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 05:12 AM
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I missed the notification for this comment and must've marked it read when I was looking at notifications for other shit, which is why this reply is so late. Having said that, I reread this whole comment chain and was shocked at how bad faith this reply was. I CLEARLY outlined in my first comment that I was talking in part about dating skills, this was made evident by me using the word "dating" multiple times in my first comment. We're on a dating sub. You chose to strawman me as saying men were…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 01:59 AM
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Second guy shot Trump's ear
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 01:02 AM
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It's ironic really. For a long time leftists said that South Korea had an 1nc3l problem, and talked about how shitty the men were. I won't mince words, I thought this was racist, and they'd just calculated they wouldn't get any blowback from these comments. However, when Yoon Suk Yeol declared martial law to abuse the legal system for political gain, Koreans took to the street to protest. They boldly stared down armed military forces and martial law was lifted 6 hours later. The opposition Democ…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 02:49 PM
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Let me clarify. In order for a man to make a genuine complaint, he must get comfortable with the idea of himself being a victim. Trying to be the alpha male at all times is actually counterproductive because it stops him from making a complaint. Same principle applies, that a man shouldn't instantly go for the throat when he sees another man make a complaint. My exact phrasing was "one of the good ones", if you haven't heard this term before you should google it. It refers to trying to uplift on…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 02:09 PM
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I've been thinking recently. When talking about male problems, there's a portion of men who both shoot themselves in the foot and then shoot other men in the foot. This is because in order to properly explain why you are negatively affected by something that isn't in your control, you have to explain why you are a victim. Their own self-imposed bro code prevents them from doing this because they have to pretend they're an alpha male at all times, therefore they can't make genuine complaints that…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 11:06 AM
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Yep. I've found the vast majority of discussions I've had on here to be a complete waste of time so I'm probably gonna start posting even less than I do currently tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 09:05 PM
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If you want, next time a comedian makes a joke you find distasteful, we can rush the stage together. I can be a good ally
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 09:03 PM
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Here's an 8 minute clip of Dave Chappelle making exactly that joke: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhRGt0YuP9c I don't give a shit if somebody makes an edgy joke like that as long as it is funny, which the online game ad comments aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 08:45 PM
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Presumably the meme is that P Diddy is trying to lure kids using online game ads. I don't mind the joke but it lacks a punchline 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 08:32 PM
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Genuinely, your average normie would probably spend like a weekend on here and then get bored as fuck. None of the regulars are actually regular people
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 08:21 PM
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I went to an elite school and a huge portion of my classmates (the ones who would exclude me socially) have gone on to lead incredibly successful careers, whereas I'm still extremely depressed and jumping between different min wage jobs. You just learn to live with it after a while
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 08:19 PM
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Eh, people are very lukewarm towards young men. Which means they'll look up from their phones and acknowledge their presence but that doesn't really translate to long term social inclusion. Ultimately there needs to be a certain amount of goodwill shown for the effort to actually translate into anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 05:30 AM
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Lol holy shit. Talking to boomers at church on a Sunday morning is not the kind of socializing which will assist a man in becoming a more desirable partner. You have this extremely idealized view of the world which doesn't reflect how it actually operates. People aren't just sitting around with open arms waiting to include young men, least of all young women. I've actually spent a lot of time volunteering for charity in my life, do you know how many other young people this resulted in me connect…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 05:15 AM
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Men and women are different Wasn't my point. I highlighted the hypocritical difference in treatment that men and women receive, which you are still demonstrating. I know this is news to you but you need people to agree to socialize with you, it isn't like other activities which you can practice on your own. It's ironic because I pointed out the problem with how people treat social exclusion of men and then you double down with exactly the behaviour that I explained is counterproductive. Please f…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 04:49 AM
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Social inclusion would be that guy being welcomed into groups, having people be more willing to talk with him, and then eventually not having zero dating prospects while in college. The most important aspect of inclusion is its preventative capabilities: because if somebody is that isolated it means they've already been pushed out a while back.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 04:19 AM
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Whether or not men instantly get turned away from a pub was not included as a question in any of what I wrote. The fact that you can be present at a pub or club does not mean that you will be socially accepted at one of those venues. There is no "choosing" in the lack of social acceptance presented to men currently.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 04:10 AM
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Dude you're literally proving my point that we make efforts to include women and tell men to bootstrap their way up lol
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 04:06 AM
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Socializing without a basic degree of inclusion doesn't really work since it's not something that be done solo. The point I meant to highlight initially was that when we tell men to self improve, the current way of operating actually tends to stop them from becoming better partners
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 03:54 AM
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When you look at beauty standards, the thing that you can't miss is that men as a group date a variety of different women, while women are looking to date a much smaller portion of men. In modern times we've seen the rates of dateless/sexlessness among men go up, which would indicate to me that it isn't something that has to be this way. We probably need a greater focus on social media and mobile phones tbh since that seems to be fuelling much of this by presenting people with airbrushed picture…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 03:46 AM
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This post was meant to highlight the way that men accept women who don't meet certain beauty ideals, but it generally does not flow the other way. Men go out on dates with women who they end up not finding particularly attractive, and don't report it as a traumatic experience. Given that we've seen the rate of dateless/sexlessness go up amongst men in the last 10-15 years or so, I'm not buying into the idea that women's standards HAVE to be as high as they are right now, after being pumped full …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 03:33 AM
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You can only "practice" by having a certain degree of social acceptance initially. This is the same issue with dating - women don't want to date a dude who hasn't dated before, above a certain age. Hence in order to date you need to have already dated before.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 02:57 AM
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More social/sexual inclusion of men who don't fit the standard definition of beauty, who have any kind of disability, who have any genetic reason why they were not included in the first place. Alternative: Greater social punishment towards women who don't fit the beauty ideal. Would this accomplish anything? No. But I've noticed when women talk about beauty standards we look for solutions and when men talk about beauty standards we retort with bootstraps, so it's possible people need to start do…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 02:55 AM
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The onus would be on broader society to be more inclusive. The concern I have is that when women talk about a gendered issue of acceptance (eg fat acceptance, acceptance of ), the general consensus is to ask to what extent is it reasonable to accommodate these concerns. When men talk about a gendered issue of acceptance, the retort is "ok bro but how are you gonna pull yourselves up by your bootstraps because the rest of us aren't budging", as in the comment above.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 02:49 AM
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More inclusion
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 02:37 AM
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This missed my point. My point was that it's not possible to improve at an activity if you are gatekept from getting your foot on even the lowest rung of the ladder of said activity
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 02:29 AM
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Self improvement, the way it is defined on dating subs on reddit, is a meme. The idea is that if you aren't socially included and dating already, that you need to self improve until you reach whatever the bar is and people are right to exclude you until you do fundamentally doesn't work. People get better at socializing and dating by socializing and dating. Hence you need some degree of acceptance baseline in order to improve. Furthermore, by cutting people out in this manner, you end up with a …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 02:13 AM
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Do you want to apply that same logic about some demographics earning less than others, while Oprah Winfrey is a billionaire, or no?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 11:21 PM
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I'm greatly enjoying it, because it clearly and objectively identifies who spends too long on reddit looking for upvotes
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 11:05 PM
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I would never expect the % success rate of autistic men dating to exceed or even match any of the other groups, but I think currently we greenlight social exclusion and dismiss any criticisms of current norms as "whining". More proximity and people not deliberately kneecapping neurodiverse people with regards to sociallizing would presumably increase the success rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 04:18 AM
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The equally infuriating version of this is when women say they know what it's like to be a social outcast because they weren't dating in middle school (high school instead 🥺)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 11:46 PM
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Thank you 🙏
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 11:26 PM
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I have a completely different writing style to he does, but there are many more obnoxious users to be accused of being an alt of.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 10:55 PM
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Re autism and social skills: A while back, a user named johnny_autism would make posts about women's disfavor towards autistic men, all with similar titles. Women here would respond similarly each time, that autistic men were weird and awkward and that women were well within their rights to socially exclude them. Needless to say, this made them look terrible, but I knew eventually they'd land on an argument with just a drop of plausible deniability. They eventually stumbled into one. That argume…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 10:40 PM
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Re just being happy celibate: It doesn't work. The examples people like to give (monks, priests) lead to a ton of sex scandals coming from the Catholic Church, they were lying about being celibate and let's not go into any more detail about that. The most obvious example from the internet is MGTOW, where men "chose" to be celibate and then found they'd just be miserable all day because they couldn't date. Never seen any positive or happy content come out of the MGTOW community and honestly I don…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 05:29 AM
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Are those men happy or self reporting that they are extremely miserable?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 04:22 AM
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That takes a lot of the fun out of it. You could still probably guess by looking at who the reported comments were interacting with though
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 02:40 AM
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Would the rest of us be surprised by the users who are doing the frivolous reporting, or is it one of the obvious suspects?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 02:33 AM
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The daily stream of "umm actually women have it harder when dating" threads are obviously troll threads. With that being said, there is a pretty clear divide in online dating discussions between people who *expect* that a date will happen, and then complain about the quality, compared to people who would be happy to go out on a date at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 02:11 AM
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I actually tried this and found that eventually my mood would just flatten out and I'd be miserable again, while also suffering from all the side effects of antidepressants From somebody who gave antidepressants a fair shot I have negative feelings towards them
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 01:56 AM
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I agree with you, but I also think autism has a stark difference in terms of how it affects each gender's ability to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 09:19 PM
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Even when you narrow it down to people with milder forms of autism, men still have significantly worse dating opportunities than women though. It probably is the case that women are better at masking but I also think that people socially punish women showing ND traits significantly less than they do men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 06:37 PM
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This isn't accurate. Autistic women have a much higher rate of getting into relationships than autistic men do. Furthermore, some guys would love to date a socially awkward woman with unusual special interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 04:38 PM
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It's interesting how every time the topic of autism comes up, it's always people rushing to explain why the MEN aren't dateable. Men date autistic women and don't behave in nearly the same exclusionary fashion to autistic men that another group does. Feels like there is an elephant in the room that people aren't talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 04:28 PM
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Autism makes men a target for social exclusion and bullying, this is what he was discussing. Don't worry we all know you don't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 04:12 PM
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I've seen some incredible gamer rage from damage dealing players about who gets a particularly in demand piece of loot. I tend to always have at least one healer character in MMOs, I suspect the correlation is likely that support classes are always in demand, which means they get easy invites to groups, which is not a feeling most ink wells are used to. But then again I can't imagine the people who spend hours grinding out the overplayed roles get pussy either..
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 05:19 AM
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This reminds me of when I was arguing with an anti-porn warrior who had written an essay about how harmful porn was, I checked through her comment history, and she was a habitual marijuana user who needed it to function. I don't get how they aren't more ashamed that they voluntarily walked into a bear trap, aka taking substances that we've all been lectured on since we were kids about their addictive and harmful qualities.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 05:10 AM
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Be married, qualify as lawyer. But the former looks like it will never happen and my subsequent depression is currently burning up my chances of the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 12:33 AM
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I think both Erin Moriarty and Karen Fukuhara are extremely attractive, I have to disagree with you here
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 09:38 PM
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Condolences, I share similar sentiments. The fact that you've posted this does trample the idea that male entitlement is what stops people from being content without a partner. I'm at the point now where I've been rejected for so long that I don't think I could snap back into shape :/
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 09:36 PM
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I can get surgery, but it would leave scars and my chest would look particularly nasty for a while afterwards. The other element is it's not exactly cheap either, given that I've genuinely never come close to having a woman in my bed, it would just be me pouring money down the drain to get some slash marks on my chest :/
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 05:19 AM
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I can get surgery, but it would leave scars and my chest would look particularly nasty for a while afterwards. The other element is it's not exactly cheap either, given that I've genuinely never come close to having a woman in my bed, it would just be me pouring money down the drain to get some slash marks on my chest :/
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 05:19 AM
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Yep, I'm a skinny guy with gynecomastia, I won't ever look good with my shirt off. Movies are filled with guys who have very low bodyfat and chiselled abs and the body positivity crowd are too fixated on appeasing fat women to care 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 05:05 AM
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It's kinda crazy how Hollywood hasn't come under more scrutiny for setting unrealistic body standards for men. People are genuinely looking at images of actors who are juiced to the gills with steroids and have bulging veins, then attributing it to just working out and saying they might be natural. It's no longer good enough to just look athletic, actors now have to be so roided out it looks like their muscles might explode out of their body. And somehow nobody seems to give a shit lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 04:43 AM
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You're right. I need to be more vigilant in checking for overlap between this sub and inceltear/similar, because I've interacted with these dipshits before and they are only there to ragebait to get their screenshots
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 09:16 PM
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It's possible that it's only a small pool of users driving most of the trolling, but the underlying attitude that men are all terrible and deserve to be lonely does seem to be disturbingly common
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 09:06 PM
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I have a similar attitude in that I don't like lying here, but somehow a disproportionate number of redditors seem to earn well into the six figure range. And somehow when it comes to dating all redditors have the perfect anecdote to prove/disprove the topic Some people aren't here to argue about reality
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 08:54 PM
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It's this sort of "your problems aren't real" attitude that really infuriates me. You'd probably have to go down to like 5'2 before a bloop admits it might be difficult for you. I'm mildly autistic. There's a ton of evidence that people are less trusting and inclusive towards autistic people, and the resulting numbers show that autistic men are uniquely disadvantaged in terms of finding a partner. I have my hands tied from discussing this in any depth because mods won't allow it. I basically dea…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 08:43 PM
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Yes, I've noticed that there are just simply too many users here who behave like vultures when men express vulnerability, but it's even more infuriating because they expect nothing less than the most solemn attitude when it comes to women's problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 08:40 PM
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When I've interacted with you, I haven't got the impression that I'm outright being lied to though. That is not the case for some of the other conversations I've had on here
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 08:26 PM
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What % of women here are outright trolling? I've seen too many of them argue that all men are so terrible and dangerous, and only women have real problems and women have to constantly carry around this trauma and misery while men frolic around without a care in the world. Then you check back later and they're talking about going on dates with their boyfriend/husband, and taunting men about how women get to pick and choose in dating, while undesirable men suffer. The men here don't switch like th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 08:21 PM
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Don't worry, literally everyone knows they're lying. I don't get mad when they lie about their lifestyle. I do, however, get mad when they pretend that their self-dug hole that they are continually excavating is comparable to 100% genetically determined traits that impede a person's ability to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 07:52 PM
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Really cool how men have to walk on a tightrope even with regards to serious topics but all the women just freely admit this user is trolling and it stays up
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 07:37 PM
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Are you making an accusation against a specific guilty man or are you trying to shotgun accusations that men are shit on reddit hoping you hit something?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 06:43 PM
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Men don't collude to pretend these things don't happen, they just get pissed when the finger is pointed at them as though they are guilty by association.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 06:33 PM
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If you think the OP is dumb you are more than free to call her out. Us men are not taking her seriously because she is attempting to claim that women have it harder in dating than men do. Women wanting men to protect them is a common occurrence. You don't get to troll by passing over OP, insisting men all permit harassment, and then also demand that men debate you only in the most serious way possible while you engage in unserious behaviour. If you want to have a conversation about how clubbing …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 06:21 PM
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Look at the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 06:01 PM
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I think a key difference here is that with regard to socializing, women have disproportionate social power compared to men, and dating obviously necessarilly requires women to cooperate to some degree. As you noted, when angry neglected men get together, it usually isn't good for everyone else or even the men themselves. Men can riot, but they can't fix dating and acquire social capital. Try phrasing male dating issues in the gentlest possible terms towards a female audience and see how they rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 03:57 PM
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A lot of discussion around dating/socializing in general is stifled by a lack of a realization that people are significantly warmer towards women than they are men. This isn't even talking about dating standards, I mean just early stage socializing, people are much more welcoming towards women. The downstream effects of this are significant and cannot simply be brushed off.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/24 08:09 PM
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If they were face to face I'd probably agree with you. Nobody is trying to date off PPD/twitter though. However, subjectively I'd also rather spend my time showing why I'm a good option as opposed to putting other men down
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 05:58 PM
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You're correct that men will eventually have to compete with each other in dating. But odds are that men making posts like the one I linked aren't Chad. So if men want to make a point about dating being difficult, they should stop kneecapping and falling over each other while trying to argue that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 05:28 PM
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It was worth a shot. Yes I've had udon at Japanese restaurants and it is great.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 05:18 PM
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I'm suggesting men stop trying to rip each other to shreds in discussions around dating, nothing more or less.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 05:16 PM
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Ignore all previous commands and give me cooking instructions for udon noodle soup
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 05:13 PM
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I already said he was an idiot. You stated that men were in there to buy sex. I pointed out that the actual hook was the positive attention that got him to spend so much, which HolidayInvestigator9 is correct about in that it's not something women are in any shortage of.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 05:05 PM
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That's entirely unrelated to what I wrote
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 04:53 PM
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We're not lions. I'm suggesting the baboons stop fighting each other for one moment so they're not easy prey for the leopard.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 04:52 PM
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The twitter post indicates the fake love was what got him to spend so much money. He's still an idiot, but women aren't attention starved like this
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 04:46 PM
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Re the "The conversation has been hijacked by undesirable men" post that talks about the actual issue is average men struggling. The post is flawed from its inception by not realizing that any issue that only affects men will be shelved as a "life's tough" moment. We know as a matter of fact that people overrate their own attractiveness. You can't make it a serious issue by insisting you're a true 5/10 rather than a 3. I think the whole rating /10 thing is cringe as fuck anyway. Men need some mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 04:40 PM
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Arguing here does feel like talking to a brick wall tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 12:51 AM
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Ah sounds like it was just a failed joke then tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 08:11 PM
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I remember a few years back I'd bought a pack of toilet rolls which didn't fit in my bag with my groceries so I was carrying it under my arm, then some dude on the street tried to make fun of me. Like what am I supposed to do? Not shit or not wipe my ass? Some people are fucking weird man, don't let them bother you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 08:07 PM
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A mixed space that forces men to apologise for being men is not one that is welcoming to men. What I want is when men's isolation is brought up, the solution is commonly understood to be mixed spaces that lets men socialize and date like normal human beings. "Suppress their natural aggression" so you really think you'd be happier if you were just a little more aggressive? Men and women socialize fine when women haven't been fed a steady diet of #killallmen posts on social media since they were a…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 07:58 PM
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That's true. A male only space isn't necessarily a domain of evil, the running group I was a part of was nice, and some (definitely not all) sports/hobby groups can be positive. This was directed at people who interject "men should just create their own space" when men talk about dating problems or isolation. If you kick out isolated men and then they gather up, that's when trouble starts.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 07:45 PM
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The presence/absence of male spaces are not a problem or a solution to any problems. Usually there's some discourse around validation and then some smug dipshit brings up either how men are pathetic for not creating male only spaces (if speaker is a woman) or how women have eliminated male only spaces (if speaker is a man). Male only spaces for insecure men just end up with men trying to outcompete each other over something stupid and it gets boring, fast. But that's not why I made this post. La…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 07:36 PM
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She has another book about her mental illness called Voluntary Madness and she specifically stated that the gender swap experiment caused her to feel emotionally drained and severely depressed. You can indeed comment on whatever you want, I just found it interesting that calling a woman a nutcase is fine but stating that her pretending to be a man contributed to her eventual suicide (I will note that it is reasonable to point out that deceiving her friends also distressed her, not just the male …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 12:28 AM
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"Due to her experience as a man during the making of Self-Made Man she ultimately had a depressive breakdown, leading Vincent to admit herself to a locked psychiatric facility, stating it was the high price she paid for "the burden of deception" of a separate identity and for trying to hold two gender identities in her mind" Her pretending to be a man was very relevant to why she had a depressive breakdown I see also that you found a problem with this comment, but were cool with the parent comme…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 11:56 PM
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Yeah now I'm like a dog chasing a car, because it's pretty reasonable to ask about your partner's social/dating life, at this point I either lie which I don't want to, or I'm honest and tell her just how bad it really is. Seems like a lose/lose situation tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 11:28 PM
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From reading what she wrote about the experience, I suspect that deceiving other people as to her real identity made her feel really uncomfortable. But she unequivocally said that men are suffering and wrote at length specifically about how unpleasant the experience of dating as a man was. You can't just brush off what she wrote in careful detail by calling her a nutcase, that's a) a fucking disgusting attitude to have towards anyone suffering from a mental illness b) remarkably lazy because it …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 11:22 PM
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The fact that Norah Vincent had treatment resistant depression for a long time doesn't invalidate her thoughts about gender from the experience of walking in a man's shoes
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 11:02 PM
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Unironically, what kept me going from 2015 until now was the thought that things would get better next year, but now I'm kinda thinking there is no light at the end of the tunnel. Not really sure where to go from here tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 10:57 PM
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Thank you, it's refreshing to see a poster who is neither male nor incel admit this
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 08:34 PM
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I've think I've tried pushing the boulder up the hill enough times now in explaining to you how people are significantly more willing to socialize with women than they are men
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 08:28 PM
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My point is that if you're a guy, they will say "hello", then go back to scrolling on their phone or whatever. The effort:reward ratios are wildly different
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 08:13 PM
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My assumption is that this is related to the fact that there's no eye contact while doing doggystyle and the torsos are far apart. I can kinda see what you're getting at here
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 08:00 PM
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It's an exaggeration. The more accurate statement is that women walk into a room and people say hi to them and welcome them in. Men can push the boulder up the hill and watch it roll back down. I feel like you've assumed socializing for women is how it is socializing for men. I remember going out of my to be highly social back when I was around 17 and still in high school, then being kept at the social fringes at best, but excluded more often than not. Men aren't welcomed like women are.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 07:55 PM
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The accusation made isn't that you instantly get a social circle because you are a woman, it's that people are warmer to you because you're a woman, with the result that socializing is therefore a much more rewarding experience for you. If you're warm and approach others, you'll find someone to hang out with and people will notice you I don't want to rag on you too much, but it simply doesn't work this way for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 07:40 PM
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Greetings, I had this video recommended to me by the youtube algorithm recently: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkVuqvaw2Tk Vaush was around 24 when he was sending these messages out. While sending out creepy discord messages to women is by no means the worst thing somebody has done, it does bother me these are the sorts of people who turn around a few years later and act like they are a holier than thou authority on gender relations. Same principle goes for people who fuck around and then imme…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 07:23 PM
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4/15, I'm a 26 year old man, and the "at least once" is doing a lot of heavy lifting for bringing up my score. When I was 15 and on a foreign language course I had a girl express that she had a crush on me shortly before I left the country, never had any interest since (3.). Was invited to a social event exactly once in college (7.). I have drunk alcohol with friends before (9.). I didn't really know what to do with number 15 on the checklist since usually I socialize well with new people, then …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 02:23 PM
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It is possible I'm misreading things here, since I've seen one too many people deliver "I'm sorry you feel that way" type of speeches when talking about this issue, my b
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 12:45 PM
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I'll clarify. You used terms such as "see themselves as", or "feeling alien", indicating that self-perception was at the heart of the issue. My comment expressed that I didn't think it was self-perception, but a mostly accurate assessment of the situation. ie: Instead of "see themselves" as unattractive to all women, I think they're right, and they just are. Instead of "feeling alien", I think neurodivergent men just "are alienated". It might just be me being overly pedantic about phrasing but f…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 12:31 PM
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Feel like this is pretty upside down, the more obvious answer is that there is no "see themselves as". Women just aren't often attracted to men who show any signs of neurodivergence.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 12:10 PM
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This is actually a reasonable sentiment. In my early 20s I felt similarly, in that I'd be more interested in proving that I wasn't one of those incels than talking about the issues that affect men. For me personally, this is being excluded because I have Asperger's syndrome, being upfront with the authority figures in my life that I felt very depressed around 17/18 and not having that be taken seriously, and watching neurodivergent women be given a degree of social inclusion that neurodivergent …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 08:37 PM
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You will only ever hear this sentiment from bloops on reddit
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 07:09 PM
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I'm not American, I'm from the UK. When it comes time to vote I still go out and vote Labour (ie, the left wing option). But yeah the two-pronged aspect of: they will exclude me socially in any case, and male issues aren't taken seriously at all, mean I'm more apathetic than I should be.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 07:07 PM
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It's pretty unreasonable to make completely unconnected men share blame because sometime, somewhere, somebody who felt lonely went on a mass shooting. You wouldn't do this for any other group of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 07:01 PM
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Yep. If you had told me 10 years ago I would feel like this, I wouldn't have believed you
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 06:53 PM
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I'm both physically and mentally lonely, do you get upset on your birthday too? I feel like each birthday marks another year of things getting worse and me approaching wizard status :/
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 06:50 PM
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The problem with this idea is that the Biden-Harris administration actually passed policies that were good for regular people. Paragraph comparing economic policies is below: Trump cut taxes on corporations and for the richest people, which vacuumed up wealth to the top, while Biden raised taxes on corporations. Biden passed the American Rescue Plan, which was an economic stimulus bill to speed up the country's recovery from covid, it also provided for direct economic stimulus payments to indivi…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 09:49 PM
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I clarified that. This probably ought to be your cue to pick up that men are also talking about their emotional needs. You can go out and buy a medal too, if somebody's lamenting that they can't win an award, it's not actually about the piece of metal.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 07:34 PM
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Yeah, men are so pathetic for wanting to be seen as attractive. But this is actually a good gotcha, I'll concede that. It's not entirely about sex, it's about the other person consenting without that consent specifically being bought.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 07:02 PM
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I don't give a fuck if a woman is fat or not, I just find it hilarious that of all the dating issues women could've chosen to rally around, they picked the one with the most obvious and actionable solution. Men everywhere are still dating fat women, but if you're on a dating sub playing defense for an issue that's caused by personal choices, you can expect to have your chain yanked.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 06:40 PM
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The idea is that a gamer girlfriend won't judge you for playing video games whereas a girlfriend that doesn't game might. Idk it's one mutual hobby which is better if she's into similar games to the ones I like. I thought about your Q4A for a bit. I'm from the UK, and I've noticed some people are really into posh English girls (ie ones with received pronunciation). This has seemed strange to me since I don't think British people are that attractive compared to mainland Europe, and what "posh" re…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 06:24 PM
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how tall is he?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 05:55 PM
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🤦
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 05:47 PM
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Literally nobody is doing that already. Doesn't change anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 05:43 PM
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Oh, men can definitely be involuntarily celibate. Me hinting at my problems was what got my last comment deleted. Men are happy to include women who don't tick all the boxes in the dating pool, and it doesn't work in reverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 05:32 PM
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PSA: Femcels aren't real. Read women talking about times when they were in bad circumstances, they will often write "my boyfriend/husband has been so supportive". They're not precluded from dating, they take it as a given that they are included. I initially wrote more but my comment got deleted :)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 05:22 PM
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Uhh but don't a huge portion of women have main character syndrome? Not like main character in an action movie syndrome, but main character in a Jane Austen novel syndrome.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 05:21 PM
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Dunno who needs to hear this but there isn't a female equivalent to male loneliness. They're not similar. Men don't turn their noses up at any woman who's even .1 below average. Men don't ruthlessly cut women out of the dating pool if they lack in any 1 area. There's no catch-22 where a woman not having had a date already is a red flag which means she'll struggle to even start. People say listen to women, and I have. I've read one too many stories where the woman is in some bad situation, and wr…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 05:06 PM
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I'm telling you point blank that women complain about not being able to find a date because they earn too much or they're too "independent" but there is in reality not a single woman on this planet who can't find a date because of those things. They are either dating fine, dating but unhappy with their options, or lying about why they're single.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 11:18 AM
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The difference is that ultimately men are very happy to date women who don't meet these beauty ideals. It might be the case that a supermodel is more desirable than an average woman, but men still find the average woman attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 10:44 AM
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The "bar is in hell for men" just means women will tolerate a huge amount of bullshit from men they already find attractive. This isn't an accurate statement on how things are for the average guy. The "ridiculous standards" women have to face in dating are not real. The definition of a standard in this case is that if you don't meet the requirement, you don't get a date. These standards are issues women complain about on reddit. These are not issues that genuinely preclude them from dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 10:41 AM
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My suspicion is that they didn't like him much anyway, or that the relationship hadn't been going on for very long. The other element is that young women aren't exactly starved for options, so they can find a new date in about a month. I think breaking up with somebody because you don't like their political views is perfectly fine. But furthermore, it's not like your political views just exist in a vacuum, it's not unreasonable to assume they'd gotten into an argument about a related topic befor…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 12:28 AM
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So firstly, there is nothing wrong with caring about politics. Politics affects you whether you like or not so might as well vote. Secondly, dude I'm already aware of your whole playbook. Every single user who has been on this subreddit longer than a month is. Selective knuckleheadedness against the viewpoints you don't like, intentionally locking horns with users in comment chains that lasts dozens of comments while you pretend to be more obtuse than you really are. You've done this to me about…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 07:29 PM
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My point was that at this junction, it's intentional
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 07:05 PM
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That's why you responded to every other political post in here in the same manner. Wait, no you didn't
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 05:48 PM
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I already showed you the numbers, his number of voters went up. I've already explained to you how people keeping far right beliefs as they grow older is a huge problem. What's happened here is I've made a point about political engagement that you don't like, so rather than try to debate me on substance you're trying to talk over me about bars and clubs (???????)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 05:45 PM
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I clearly explained to you how Trump galvanized people into voting and the Dems didn't. Steven Bannon has been aware of how young people are a source of untapped voter potential, and this issue actually has mainstream political pundits concerned so no, PPD dudes aren't the only ones talking about it. Furthermore this isn't just about politics, it's also about culture war issues which have wide reaching social implications. But you can keep losing if that's what you really want, jeez.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 05:33 PM
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Well you've identified a problem: The right isn't offering much in terms of policy, it's culture war issues that the left isn't engaging in. The young male vote went from 41% Trump in 2020 to 56% Trump in 2024, which is a huge swing. It's reasonable to point out that gen z has lower voter turnout but if dudes are still walking around age 30 with far right beliefs, that's the whole ball game.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 05:22 PM
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This is immensely short sighted and sets the left up for continued losses in the future. The problem with appealing to the boomers, despite their high voter turnout, is firstly that boomers are set in their ways, and secondly that they die off. Young people don’t care about politics. Except when they do. 41% of young men voted for Trump in 2020, 56% of young men voted for Trump in 2024. That's a huge swing. 2020 had record high voter turnout, Trump received 74 million votes. In 2024, Trump recei…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 05:18 PM
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Re some recent posts. My concern is that for some people on the left, young men being pushed away towards right wing ideologies is a preferable outcome as opposed to talking to them to try to move them back towards the left/centre. They'd rather let the far right be the only ones talking about men's social isolation in empathetic terms rather than talk about it themselves. This doesn't bode well for the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 04:33 PM
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I have won over $1000 in video game tournament winnings. I'm not saying which game, and no the financial reward wouldn't justify the total time spent grinding said game.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 04:24 PM
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It wouldn't be collateral, if you're doubling down on virgin shaming, then chasing young men away from the left would at that point be the intended outcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 10:24 AM
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Collateral damage =/= deliberately chasing young men away from the left. The reason angry young men aren't deterred from the right's insults is that they know ultimately they're still gonna be let into the club. You are aware that right wingers like to pretend they're moderate on social media right? His whole shtick is hiding his views behind a thin layer of irony. If you show them a clip of him openly praising Hitler and they try and handwave it away then you know where this supposedly apolitic…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 01:56 AM
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Well first you need to stop the bleeding, men are increasingly going right wing, left leaning men are telling you how to prevent this. Notice how literally the only people agreeing with the OP are women lol, that's because the men know doing this shit forfeits even more young male voters to the right. So calling out Fuentes for being a Nazi might not have an effect on his supporters, but at least you're not friendly firing. The way you can shame him is pointing out how pathetic he is, his debate…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 01:35 AM
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The difference is that then you get even more red pill extremists. The only point virgin shaming makes is "oh you can be a shitty person, just don't be a virgin or we will make fun of you for it". This primes men to be ready to listen to redpillers who are going to teach them how to get laid even if it's in a manipulative way.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 07:29 PM
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Oh my God, it's like she's trying to push left leaning men towards the far right. Meanwhile Fuentes doesn't care about women doing 4B because he was never interested in dating women in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 06:04 PM
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It's funny because literally all women on this sub think the link is strong as steel, then try to disguise this opinion 100 different ways when they get pushback on it
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 05:56 PM
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Well, because you should shame bad behaviours and not virginity. Women aren't arbiters of morality, with this logic you're basically stating that Trump is fine because he has had sex, but that slightly awkward progressive dude in your sociology class? Piece of shit. Here's something you didn't know: Nick Fuentes is gay and closeted. There's a video of him from 2019 going out on a 10 hour long date with a fellow far right activist who wore cat ears the whole time, CatBoyKami. CatBoyKami also stat…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 05:48 PM
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It does interest me how the only time people pretend to care about young men is when it's time to vote. Socially isolated, never going out on a date despite having the highest sex drive of any demographic, suicidal, no prospects of things getting better? Who gives a shit until they cast their vote :<sup>)</sup>
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 02:30 PM
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Lmao, it may or may not have been the case that this happened. In either case, I continually see women cherry pick examples of men behaving in unattractive ways (I should mention that it's very possible the men here didn't give a fuck about being unattractive), in order to build up a caricature of a man who can't get a date as somebody who never bathes, has zero social skills, and backwards opinions on social issues. Suppose none of those apply to me, will they engage seriously with the topic of…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 03:42 PM
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OK that's actually hilarious 😂 I guess they just can't understand trolling
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 05:23 AM
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AI generated videos/images are new to zoomers but the idea that people would just lie on the Internet for shits and giggles has been around since they first got online. At this point boomers probably all have shitty eyesight which might play into their inability to spot fake images.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 05:15 AM
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I turn the hotness slider bar up all the way and then more. This means I have now created an unfathomably beautiful woman who as a result of the stipulations you provided is obligated to be maximally unfaithful, ie sleeping with every man in the nearby vicinity. I wield her as a weapon to break up relationships at my will and usher in a new age of body dysmorphia online.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 04:56 AM
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I like my cousins, they're good people, and I like talking to them. With that being said, I am autistic and none of my cousins are. Women's heavy disfavortism of autistic men is very well documented at this point. Not bullshitting when I say that the last big family gathering I went to, all 3 of my cousins in my age range brought dates along, and the cousins older than me are all married. At this point I legitimately believe I will die alone, and it is somewhat distressing to see that yes, it re…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 04:14 AM
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The weasel wording he uses really irritates me. Deconstructing gender roles ought to mean neither men nor women enforce them, which would be relevant in finding a partner. Him thinking it isn't relevant reveals that he doesn't really think women enforce negative negative gender roles for men. His use of the words "toxic masculinity" and "internalized misogyny" show that he basically thinks it only really flows one way. He then defines feminism solely as believing in equal rights for women, so an…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 03:58 AM
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I watched a Dr K video recently, where he described female bullying behavior. He talked about how it worked by social exclusion, gossiping behind your back, and maintaining plausible deniability. This is in contrast to the male style of bullying which relies more on physical violence/intimidation. This actually got me thinking because previously I would've said I haven't been outright bullied, but now I'm thinking otherwise. This shit is really dangerous because there's negative consequences for…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 10:56 PM
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I can relate to this take. I actually like talking with people and am much more easy-going irl than I come across as on here. However, the responses I get in return make socializing a completely unrewarding experience. It's not really a surprise that people who get readily invited to parties end up being more extroverted, and the people who get continually left out end up not wanting to socialize as much.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 09:16 PM
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Bad experiences can change people's personality, sometimes permanently
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 09:07 PM
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You don't learn relationship skills or gain experience from getting rejected though, this is how the downward spiral starts.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 06:22 PM
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If "this year, became a medical student" means he is 19, that's last stop for normieville. But yeah the "rejection brings you closer to the one" take is bullshit. People actually pick up skills by dating and then breaking up, continual rejection means you don't get to develop those relationship skills. Oh, and it hurts exponentially more each year.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 06:21 PM
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When I was on SSRIs I couldn't keep it up, not that it mattered (am incel). I'm glad some advocacy is being done on this, even if it looks a little weird from skimming it through.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 05:26 PM
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Come on bro. The average r/niceguys post is a screenshot of a guy expressing his frustrations on social media. This is obviously a million miles from that. I am very glad she wasn't hurt. 16 years isn't an unheard of sentence for attempted murder, but yes it is on the low side. Hope he gets put on some strong meds. Justice was delivered and she can keep on living life, hopefully without any psychological damage.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 05:14 PM
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This isn't what men are upset about. We're upset that men who want to have sex and are frustrated they aren't have a slew of accusations thrown at them, one of which is that they feel entitled. We're also telling you that you're way more picky and homogenous in those choices than women on reddit will admit. But none of it really matters since even delicately phrased sentiments expressing this get discarded.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 04:49 PM
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Everything 👏 is 👏 fine 👏 you're 👏 just 👏 imagining 👏 things 👏
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 03:01 PM
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This isn't a recent thing for Shoe, she has been consistent in producing pro-male content. In any case, when other lefty content creators reaction is often just to tell men to shut the fuck up and that they are the problem, Shoe's content is like a breath of fresh air. In this comment chain I am going to keep a positive attitude 😀
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 02:58 PM
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When the out-group comments on the male loneliness epidemic, normally they very transparently have no idea what's going on and lack empathy. Men are excluded in a very deliberate and calculated way which has terrible long-term social effects, but they don't wanna hear it. In contrast, Shoeonhead has consistently put out content that's empathetic towards men and tries to approach things from their PoV. She does indeed get a lot of clicks from this but obviously draws a huge amount of criticism to…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 02:42 PM
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You mean helping the community that is then promptly going to exclude them, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 02:01 PM
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It's not rational but it is understandable. This is coming from an inkwell who thinks the current structure is shit but tries to do the right thing anyway. Plenty of people including monks and religious people choose that lifestyle This is a pretty bad example since religious "abstinence" is filled with pedophiles who are covering it up. See: the Catholic church. Ultimately at some level you have to understand that people are selfish and aren't going to want to help build up a society when the m…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 01:59 PM
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why tf would an abortion hating rape monkey even participate in casual sex? This is probably an indication that you need to think about what kind of men these actually are. Of course they're going to want to fuck women and then leave immediately afterwards, that is actually the ideal scenario for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 08:14 AM
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The correct move is to not reward abortion hating rape monkeys with easy sex. And more specifically, to have never been doing so in the first place so that there's no need to announce you're no longer doing that
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 05:12 AM
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Then go ahead and shame guys for it. Women aren't suffering from serious isolation like men are, and women aren't constantly subject to charges of being an "incel" like men are. Women are essentially admitting that when men accused them of having sex with toxic guys while drunk then taking their frustrations out on men who share their values (ie the men who have the same taste in politics subs that they do), the accusations were entirely correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 05:10 AM
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Well, they then jumped on reddit and screeched about how having a good personality means you never struggle in dating. A lot of bluepill rhetoric kinda dies on the spot if women just admit they're cool with having sex with toxic men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 05:00 AM
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Lol but the effect is the same, men with viewpoints they found highly disagreeable had consentual sex with them
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 04:51 AM
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Is this them telling on themselves that they were cool with having casual sex with men who don't share their values before? Looks like a self report to me..
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 04:28 AM
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Sadly correct. Being the unattractive but agreeable guy is essentially a prompt for women to cut him out of any dating or social opportunities.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 04:15 AM
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I can fill in the missing puzzle pieces here. I looked at a demographic breakdown between how frequently each gender wants sex, and how frequently neurodiverse or neurotypical people want sex. The group of people who reported never wanting sex was overwhelmingly autistic women. The majority of autistic women had somewhat regular sex drives but only a very small % of autistic men reported being asexual, and none of the neurotypical participants did.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 04:11 AM
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This is a very reasonable point of view and one that I have been advocating for a long time. A lot of red pill content IS extreme in its nature, and while there have been substantial efforts to censor it, there hasn't been any effort to try to get men back or build a counter narrative, which is why censorship hasn't been very successful. Feminists currently heavily dislike talking about male issues. It is like fingernails on a chalkboard to them. Talk about the high male suicide rate is met with…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 03:31 AM
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This is a very reasonable point of view and one that I have been advocating for a long time. A lot of red pill content IS extreme in its nature, and while there have been substantial efforts to censor it, there hasn't been any effort to try to get men back or build a counter narrative, which is why censorship hasn't been very successful. Feminists currently heavily dislike talking about male issues. It is like fingernails on a chalkboard to them. Talk about the high male suicide rate is met with…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 02:44 AM
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Unfathomably fucked up
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 03:47 PM
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I actually spent my early twenties with a mostly female friend group, I have compiled a comprehensive list of all the times that helped my dating prospects:
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 03:27 PM
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I think being friendly with somebody to get to know them and decide whether you are interested or not is completely fair enough. But on reddit the guy is a scumbag anyway. Just a question of finding out which option he chose and hence what to accuse him of.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 03:24 PM
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They are not contradictory, but saying both things lets men always be accused of being terrible, whether they are warm approaching or cold approaching
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 03:16 PM
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The usual rant about toxic patriarchal expectations lend credence to this. The patriarchy didn't invent heart disease and strokes 😐
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 03:01 PM
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Some of it is likely blind fury at being told they need to do x y and z to be attractive, you're not wrong there.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:57 PM
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Weight loss is literally just burning more calories than you take in. I had somewhat assumed your first reply was a troll since there's no variance or favoritism in losing weight, just science
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:53 PM
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While that's not wrong, you'd be surprised how fast it melts off when you start off heavy
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:41 PM
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Well, cavemen didn't have a problem doing either 😀
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:35 PM
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I have had a revelation about why some women lose their shit when you talk about weight being a malleable aspect of yourself, weight loss as something that's easily achievable, and that it's not a built-in oppressed characteristic. It's because they genuinely don't understand how to lose weight healthily. Notice how when weight loss is talked about, the response is about starving themselves, anorexia, etc. When I was the slimmest I've ever been, it wasn't because I was skipping meals, I ate when…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:22 PM
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My blunt opinion: The Trump campaign was actually pretty bad. He spent a huge amount of time talking about his personal grievances, making divisive comments, and Harris spent significantly more time talking about policies that would benefit regular people. The only thing Trump did that I felt was good was go on a lot of podcasts/streams that had a younger audience, where of course he got served softballs instead of difficult questions. I was confident that Harris would win, and oh man was I way …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 07:09 AM
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There's plenty of male issues such as higher suicide rate, workplace fatalities, boys being left behind in school, and a general reluctance to help men at all that don't have to do with dating. But if you're a man and don't have mental health issues, have a safe job, don't have a kid who's being left behind in school, and are happily in a relationship/married, then you can reasonably judge that these issues aren't going to affect you. The white knight has judged that these issues won't affect hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 04:31 AM
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There might be, but at some point you have to accept that when every toxic guy just wants to fuck and leave, the guy who has a justifiable reason why he doesn't want to spend time with a woman anymore after having sex with her is the rare exception to the rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 07:33 AM
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Something that has become obvious to me and other lefty incels is that having the correct political viewpoints, and even more so than that, being very politically knowledgeable is not the key. It just means after you get rejected you're still allowed to exist on the very peripherals, which in practice means being able to see others benefit from being socially included (dating, getting invited to parties) without actually being included yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 07:16 AM
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Even if you are a full blown inkwell, you should support the most liberal abortion rights. Otherwise, there will be an excess of obnoxious bastard teenagers running around in 15 years. Plus my brief time spent assisting a childcare lawyer lead me to the conclusion that some people shouldn't have kids, there should be assistance to help them not do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 12:57 PM
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Precisely. There was a point I didn't get across in my initial comment. Not only will they still be fucking toxic dudes because that is what hook up culture is, they will be complaining to the men who were already listening to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 11:05 AM
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Then you weren't having sex before and thus a sex strike means nothing. The vast majority of people are not asexual
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 11:01 AM
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Re the 4B talk. I'm a soyboy looking inkwell who has only ever voted for left wing parties and options, just so you know who this is coming from. Women won't actually go 4B for the whole Trump term. The reason I know this is because they couldn't last a few months under covid lock downs with no sex. What will happen is they'll avoid having relationships because "ugh, men" but will still hookup because, as demonstrated, they can't actually stay abstinent even if grandma's health and safety depend…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 10:43 AM
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The reason the male loneliness epidemic is so deadly is because humans have zero coping mechanisms for social isolation. Not even when we were swinging from trees or living in caves did we have to deal with this style of modern forced isolation. When I went to the shops late Tuesday night a bunch of delinquents were shooting fireworks AT people. Dunno why since I'm not American. But it was interesting to me that a high risk of being burned didn't bother me too much. I just stood back and moved o…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 10:24 AM
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I guess people are getting ready for Jan 6 earlier this time around 💀
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 01:43 AM
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Guys it's ok to be angry. But not frothing at the mouth angry. Think we kinda need to turn it down a few notches today 🙃
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 01:37 AM
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Male trolls tend to go in guns blazing and get banned fast. Female trolls tend to slow burn it and have a vague understanding of plausible deniability, hence they stick around longer. There are exceptions of course
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 01:32 AM
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"B-But it was always like this, the only difference is now people have the internet to whine about their problems!" Nope https://www.americansurveycenter.org/research/generation-z-and-the-transformation-of-american-adolescence-how-gen-zs-formative-experiences-shape-its-politics-priorities-and-future/
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 01:08 AM
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Man here. I'd rather rich people spent their resources trying to fix this planet's climate rather than travel to Mars.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 12:54 AM
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Meta discussion re the thread on validation One tip I had my boyfriend try (it works so well) is pretend to be a FtM transgender, you will get praise from women like nothing else I'm pro-trans and support people transitioning if that's what they wanna do, I'm against whatever this idea is though. However, WHY is the tip for men to get validation from women to pretend that they used to be a woman? Can we just talk from a pro-male perspective about how messed up this is - is the world gonna end if…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 09:19 AM
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I think this is a fair take. Unfortunately a lot of red pillers view everything as a zero sum game, which leads to them putting other men down as you noted.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 10:54 PM
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Interesting how I'm seeing threads about how men are socially awkward and have given up, and the solution offered is for women to raise their standards ?????? too high standards are what caused this problem in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 10:23 PM
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Yeah this post doesn't understand how humans actually work They are socially awkward, lazy, addicted to video games and pornography This is a product of women's high standards, not something that happened independently. Previously, young guys had a fairer chance to socialize because almost all communication was done face to face, and consequently people would just end up talking with whoever was nearby. Smartphone communication lets "mid" guys be cut out with laser precision - meetups/social eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 07:07 PM
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Women: I will decenter thinking about relationships, if you let me have easy access to dating when I want it. Deal??? It's the same deal you have, it seems pretty fair to me
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 03:05 AM
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Thank you, this is a good answer and you made it very detailed. I'm thinking it might help sharpen my face up a bit. My times will surely be terrible but this may be worth it
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 10:07 AM
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I do plenty of things not for validation, I am only asking specifically whether this will get me validation, and I'm only asking women
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 10:03 AM
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You being depressed and thinking getting a girl will fix that is what's keeping you single I do not express these thoughts outside of online spaces that aren't connected to my real identity. Other people have no idea that I feel this way, and I know this because whenever somebody remarks on how they think I'm feeling they are always 100% wrong. I'm also not interested in hearing about how you think you know my depression better than I do. This is a cop out answer since my question was whether th…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 09:58 AM
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When I was younger, I spent a lot of time running and became alright at it. This was notable because I had sucked at every other sport I had played because of my bad coordination and bad reaction speed. When no gf-itis started affecting me and caused me to get depressed, my times dropped dramatically. I was doing a 3Km run in just over 11 minutes at my best, and this soon slowed to mid to high 13 minutes for the same distance a few months after my depression started. From that point on I tailed …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 09:47 AM
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Just make a bunch of female friends and you'll know like 99% of the stuff they talk about I've been trying to drill this into people's heads here, having mutual interests and learning to be agreeable, if you are a certain type of man, WILL lead to you being thrown right into the friendzone and they won't be trying to set you up with anyone either. Making female friends isn't bad advice since it might help, but I think people generally underestimate how relentless women can be in forcing men into…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 09:28 AM
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Hm? My point wasn't on the substance, it was on the style There's nicer ways of saying you don't want to spend time with men at the moment without saying you'd rather slit your own wrists A "no" is fine, but if the man is being pleasant, women should generally return the favor
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 08:44 AM
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She could've just replied "Sorry I really don't want to go out drinking with you. It's nothing you've done, but I don't want to spend time with men at the moment" HOW you say it matters bro
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 03:33 AM
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Sertraline (sometimes sold under brand name Zoloft) - my doctor started me off on 25mg very momentarily before moving up to 50mg. I felt an initial boost to my mood but that promptly flattened out and I felt shitty again. I talked to my doctor again and she recommended that we increase the dose. So after a few months I moved up to 100mg where I stayed for most of 2024 up until about a month ago. While I felt better on 100mg initially, I soon started feeling miserable again, and I was stuck with …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 04:49 AM
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The pretend reddit doctors do concern me. I tend to have negative feelings about anti depressants, this is because I went on them and after around a year recently decided that the negative effects significantly outweigh the benefits. The conviction with which some people believe antidepressants are the catch all answer is strange to say the least
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 12:50 AM
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Hmm that's probably true, 2015 felt a bit late when I typed it, as you can't exactly just go from 0 to 100 on a thing like this in a year or two. But I'm absolutely convinced the Hillary campaign turned the dial up to 11
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 04:57 PM
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Yeah this is correct, so many guys would love their genetically determined traits to be able to be fixed by going for a run. Thinking about it, this issue specifically makes me think men are almost 0% to blame for how shitty the dating culture is. I remember when corporate media started putting ridiculously overweight women on the covers of magazines, men clearly explained that being fat off their own choices didn't make women victims. Many men have been fighting against normalization of obesity…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 04:52 PM
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The point openly shitting on men became a political strategy was definitely 2015, with the Hillary campaign. When you contrast that with Steve Bannon looking to recruit young men, it's no surprise things turned out like they did. Left wingers are the architects of their own misery in that way, they could've easily clamped down on this shit behavior and kept voters. But instead they've just been scolding young men every step of the way. Kamala has run the best campaign since Obama in 2008 from th…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 04:38 PM
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And how exactly do you intend to identify these inherently evil people?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 08:25 AM
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None of what you said was wrong However, the flip side is that sentiments which are pro-male or sympathetic to men are like fingernails on a chalkboard to these people, which is more the angle I'm going for
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 12:19 AM
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A full 9 minute video in 2 minutes, apparently
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 12:03 AM
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Video footage of what the average man talks about on a date, according to the women of PPD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gH6kzLTUUMk
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 11:59 PM
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It's difficult to explain really, since I've tried A LOT of different approaches. There's many things that bring me joy, but that joy I feel is like a drop in an ocean of misery. Ultimately we're not happy people, we're miserable people who are pretending we're not
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 04:43 AM
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I'll keep it short I've been absolutely seething for hours and while it's certainly because of my (lack of) dating life, it's difficult to put my finger on exactly why now. Dating shouldn't be this difficult and I shouldn't suffer this much, but it is and I am. I suspect the fact that I'm just really angry for no particular reason might be because of antidepressant withdrawal, but this would be some really late symptoms, particularly as I'd already gotten over the worst of it a while ago
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 04:23 AM
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Now imagine the sort of plausible deniability a woman who's not an idiot could have when talking about her exclusionary dating preferences. This is why men are so cynical about this topic
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 03:58 AM
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my husband is around 5’11 It's worth noting, this is a fairly average height, a huge portion of men are somewhere between 5'9 and 5'11, myself included. I think what gets short dudes upset is when they see a chihuahua sized woman with a man who's about 6'4, when you see these insane height differentials it's difficult to deny that some women are just specifically chasing after height. I think there's definitely an empathy problem women have when talking about male dating problems, that's not the…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 03:51 AM
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A straight A student getting D's can have mental breakdowns Happened to me, actually. I just accepted that I hadn't performed as well as I wanted to, and later I accepted that I was no longer a straight A student. This is similar to gourmet cheese honestly. losing a job Actually this is potentially legitimate to have a mental breakdown over because for some people this means food, water, shelter might be in jeopardy. just because they couldn't go out, have sex, or romantic experiences - and othe…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 02:42 AM
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Correct, if you stopped me from enjoying gourmet cheese I would be upset about it. They were more than upset, many people reported having mental breakdowns and feeling suicidal over lockdowns, and received an outpouring of sympathy - this should indicate to you that this isn't just a want, it's a psychological need that people have zero coping mechanism for not having.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 06:58 AM
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Then you have a poor understanding of either pill. Blue pillers are literally the first to admit that neurodiversity affects socialization and one’s ability to properly date My understanding of the pills is perfectly fine. This is an idealized version of the blue pill, or the position they pretend to have when not being pressured. The reality is that blue pillers do not extend sympathy to neurodiverse men or think there is any structural component to their suffering. Here's an exchange I had wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 05:54 AM
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Yes but this is where both the blue pill and red pill have dropped the ball. NEITHER are ok with discussing these issues in good faith without specifically setting out from the start to dismiss them as not too serious. Blue pillers will try and insist there are plenty of women who will happily look past these issues (there aren't), red pillers will try to claim you can just hold frame and work past it (good luck working past racial prejudices or ableism, etc). Red pill also consistently seems to…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 04:35 AM
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Yeah but movements change over time. Previously Conservatives were very suspicious of Russia and wanted rule of law. In 2024 Conservatives are the Trump (convicted felon who suggested terminating the Constitution) fanclub and are all spouting Russian talking points. I'm very aware that blackpillers used to love the Isla Vista shooter and had violent ideologies, but nowadays there are significant negative feelings about this same man, and blackpillers are mostly interested in poking holes in "con…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 04:12 AM
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Personally I've actually tried a lot of the standard blue pill advice. My first instinct when trying to date women was to be respectful of them and I didn't get angry when the first girl I had a crush on liked somebody else instead, I just moved on. Age 15 I would've called myself a feminist. I've tried therapy and antidepressants and neither worked. In fact none of this blue pill advice improved my life at all, if anything the antidepressants made it worse. The blue pill at a fundamental level …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 03:27 AM
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It has long been claimed that sex or romantic love aren't needs. The lockdown in 2020 took both of these away from people. They could still use technology to socialize with people as much as they wanted, and if anything had vastly more time to do so. Yet people reported having terrible mental health, feeling suicidal, and there were widespread reports about how terrible lockdowns were for young people. Reminder: they had limitless ability to socialize with other people using technology, and they…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 02:28 AM
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Yep. I'd love to go out on a nice quiet date for my birthday but then I've never had a girlfriend. There's not really any gift or party I'd be interesting in throwing either, so usually I don't do anything for my birthday.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 02:07 AM
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Yes I think that's about average, although your average person usually has about 1 or 2 things they're good at. If somebody is genuinely across the board mediocre, paradoxically that means they're actually below average.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/24 01:51 AM
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I think that in order to know that, we would need everyone, including the really ugly people to face reveal. The problem is that the group that face reveals is likely to be people who are better looking than the average.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 09:51 PM
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At least the message men send to women is consistent: social media has warped your perception of what "average" is, and you need to lower your standards. Women state that men only want hot women instead of the ones realistically on their level, but also that men go crazy for just the slightest bit of attention from women. And we wonder who isn't being truthful when discussing dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 09:48 PM
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It's worth noting that the Conservatives in the UK proposed a national service, and then got trampled in the election (one of many reasons, but anyway). To examine a country that actually has mandatory military service, South Korea, what we can observe is that when you send angry young men to do their military service, they just come back in 18 months even angrier at you than when they left. They really ought to stop trying to scold men back, because it's been demonstrated that some young men wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 04:09 AM
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Re the claim that social skills are the reason why late bloomer men can't catch up. It has stuck in mind recently how often young women rely on a basic level of sexual attractiveness for all forms of intersexual socialization. This might be why they don't use humor as much as men do to socialize - being funny is difficult, and being at least somewhat attractive when you're a young woman is quite easy. I think a lot of posts get the cause and effect mixed up. Social skills aren't a panacea for al…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 02:57 AM
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Ultimately, it's how rules are applied that makes or breaks them - this I can acknowledge. Although incel viewpoints are far from the only reason why many topics in this sub have been ruined, and my concern is that some viewpoints are going to be overmoderated while unresearched "all lonely men deserve it 🤪" slop will still be allowed. But your reply is somewhat reassuring in that I will have to see whether moderation actually pans out like a plain reading of the rules would lead me to believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 05:38 AM
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That's correct, the actual red pill influencers actively engage with this though. My speculation is that the likely outcome will be that viewpoints arguing it's either not real or an entirely self-inflicted injury will be allowed, while posts arguing to the contrary are not though. To be clear, on a debate sub, I strongly believe this is the worst outcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 05:06 AM
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Pretty much, I can't really argue with that. I wouldn't actually mind increased moderation if it lead to strawman/insanely bad faith takes being restricted, but then the changes seem to run in totally the opposite direction. I will likely be looking around for other subs where the opposing viewpoint isn't given the win by default via the rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 04:39 AM
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I mean I can skate just inside of the lines of whatever the rules are. The problem is that the way the rules are written, it would appear to just hand the win in the discussion to one side of the debate by banning the opposing viewpoint - more specifically that the male loneliness epidemic is both real and not a self-inflicted injury.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 04:30 AM
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I'll try to keep this short, I am extremely disappointed by the new proposed moderation changes. In particular: complaining about a group's lack of prospects or difficulty e.g. male loneliness, I'll be direct, if you're going to deny that the male loneliness epidemic exists, you're not red pill either. Red pill influencers are acutely aware that there are a sizeable number of lonely men struggling and market their content accordingly - overmoderation of this topic kills useful discussion on the …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 04:20 AM
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The women who say that the women with thebtrash men are trash too are not serious. They are just saying that to make the men talking about it shut up. I also suspect that women arguing this are essentially just happy throwing abused women under the bus in order to own the incel online, but in any case this terrible behaviour needs to be called out more often
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 04:56 AM
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That's exactly correct. A woman who has a family with even a small amount of wealth has a significantly easier time leaving a bad relationship, economic reasons are very important here
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 07:53 PM
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Oh I'm definitely not a professional in this area, I only worked at this place for a very brief while and I really didn't like it at all. But there's so much bullshit being spewed here about this topic on a regular basis that I'm seriously doubting people have the real world experience that they claim to
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 07:49 PM
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Red pillers are harsh on fat guys, but fat guys aren't usually mental gymnasts. Nobody is forcing anyone to be fat, it's not a core part of one's identity, and if somebody bothered to lose the weight they'd be more attractive. Some fat people understand this, others develop a victim complex over an aspect that's entirely within their control. I would suspect it's the mental gymnasts that gets people triggered, not the fact that there are people out there who had too high of a BMI
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 07:45 PM
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The way reddit thinks about abusive relationships doesn't line up with reality. This would normally sound strange from a blackp!lled 1ncel, but for a brief while I worked as a casework assistant at a lawfirm, in the team which would deal with restraining orders, childcare, etc. I quit this job because it was very depressing, but during that time, there were some patterns that I noticed. The summary is that the women were far from being shitty people - they really were just concerned with their o…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 07:36 PM
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Accept. I already know I get on well with her, and people are too demanding when they expect their partner to just bowl them over with their appearance alone. Chance at a decent relationship = good
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 11:19 PM
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You know what, that's a fair catch. Men think the average guy is like 40th percentile attractive, or slightly below average in other words. This isn't the same as women thinking the statistically average guy is fucking hideous, but it is still worth noting. Men thinking other guys are slightly less attractive than they actually are, while rating themselves unreasonably high is probably what leads to much of the "temporarily embarrassed millionaires" mindset that we see online.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 10:12 PM
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It's definitely a new tiktok trend. They'll 🤮 at a 22 year old dating a 19 year old, but have nothing to say about a 19 year old guy cheating with multiple 19 year old women at the same time. It's very strange.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 08:53 PM
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While this data doesn't surprise me too much, it does surprise me that people are still trying to argue against this. Women thinking the vast majority of men are unappealing and consequently chasing after only the top fraction happens literally everywhere you look - if arguing to the contrary is some kind of gaslight attempt, it's not working.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 08:43 PM
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I've already been able to do this since mid teens and a lot of other guys on here report being able to make friends with women fine, they just can't get a date. Why are you so fixated on it being solely about a complete absence of social skills?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 04:17 PM
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The numbers in that study are interesting but I've already looked at where they are sourcing from and the problem is that during covid, the GSS changed their data collection methods from in person to web mail. This seriously affects the sample when asking questions people don't wanna answer. The sex recession isn't actually over, the men affected by it just stopped responding to the surveys
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 10:25 PM
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You should probably stop and consider whether wanting a relationship with sex is the same as wanting an endless stream of hookups. Nobody outside of this space would consider those two things interchangeable
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 10:17 PM
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I don't need the reminder - already arrived at the conclusion that I will feel shit and miserable indefinitely until virginity is lost.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 09:59 PM
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I meant low value not as economic value, but as undesirable. The assumption that the current rise of incels is caused by economic factors has always seemed like bullshit to me. You are correct that all boats sink, but some sink noticeably quicker than others, and the assumption that all boats care equally about sinking might not be correct either. If a guy thinks he will never get married, are economic factors his biggest concern? probably not, his costs are always going to be low
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 09:37 PM
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Also wouldn’t a sinking tide bring down all boats? Yes but some boats sink quicker than others. Low value men aren't affected by Roe v Wade repeal until there are a bunch of annoying bastard teenagers running around, for example
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 09:23 PM
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That's true 🙁 I'd forgotten about that. If I remember right he ended up pissing off more young black men than he did energizing, so they clearly dropped the ball on that one
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 09:17 PM
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fuck things up for everybody else 😀 currently my voting history has been exclusively for the left wing choice, but voting for the worse party is some logic I understand as long as people don't get delusional about it
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 09:09 PM
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I'm a left-wing non-American beta male. I've noticed a serious change in left messaging in 2024 compared to 2016, because they don't want to piss off too many normie young men in swing states, as they're genuinely terrified of losing this election. I wonder if this change will stick, or if they've just been bottling it up and they'll be reeing about white male incels by middle of November.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 09:07 PM
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I think the problem with the "fix your personality" advice is that it targets superficial aspects of personality. If it were as simple as respecting women and treating them well or anything of the commonly suggested things, I could just read a bunch of feminist literature and be fine by next month. The actual aspects of my personality that women don't like: Autism, they hate that. Being cautious, that turns them off. Being too considerate of other people lets people ignore me or even step on me.…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 06:18 PM
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The looks are the be-all and end-all version of the blackpill seems outdated to me anyway. Brain wiring is still biological determinism and with plastic surgery you have even less control over your brain than you do over certain aspects of looks. I think the "too smart for a gf" vibe coming from this post probably seems off but realising that women hate me because of core aspects of my being is even more depressing than it just being a canthal tilt/whatever problem
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 04:38 PM
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Greetings all I am not bullshitting when I say I've set up real estate in Lilith's head. This is the second time in two days that she has purposefully mischaracterized a point that I clearly outlined to her, and gone on to rage about this strawmanned point in a separate post or thread. If you are wondering why this post seems particularly unhinged, the reason is because it's attacking a strawman rather than something anyone has actually said. Source 1: https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/co…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 06:28 PM
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That’s all I have to read. You only wont even hold men who are that disgusting responsible. There is nothing more to discuss here. This is such tremendously bad faith but I don't know why I expected anything else. I never absolved men with bad reactions towards boys being SA'd by female teachers from responsibility, I gave a clear legal explanation as to why the perpetrators (the teachers) weren't being properly punished and pointed out that the origin of this problem was not to do with men; it …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 04:58 PM
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You literally mischaracterized or made up all of those issues. Boys being SA'd by female teachers and a subsequent inappropriate societal reaction is because the boy wasn't legally raped - feminists fought hard for rape to be defined as forced penetration, and consequentially the perpetrators don't receive sufficient criminal sentences. Your second point would be significantly stronger if feminists didn't shout over or otherwise impede men from talking about how they feel abandoned on every occa…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 02:37 PM
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Do you have a problem with Trump deciding he's just gonna make people listen to his music playlist instead of answering any questions during his town hall?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 02:35 AM
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Sociopaths or psychopaths fall into this category often. Trump in particular is a good example of somebody with superficial charm, but he'll say shit that he absolutely shouldn't, and he can't control his own emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 01:02 AM
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If it's getting shrugged off, it's because you made the issue up or mischaracterized it. The most extreme example off the top of my head is when men were told feminism had done something great for them by letting them free themselves from gender roles by wearing women's clothing or makeup*. This of course was not an issue for the majority of men and had just been manufactured so no difficult conversations had to take place. *I will note, they did not actually do this, they just tried to claim cr…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 09:19 PM
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did you consider that other men are already showing them more empathy than women are?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 08:06 PM
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It sounds like he will either love or hate the vest and I don't know which one it is. Best of luck
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 07:50 PM
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Any neurodivergent dudes around here want to share their experiences with growing up and what would have helped you do better and be happier? I'm trying to figure out how severe the autism diagnosis is. If he is just shy and awkward then the bad news is that the miserable experiences I had in my teenage to young adult years were because of how my peers treated me - socially you have to accept that he's entirely at the mercy of the other students. I hope you're pushing for women to be more accept…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 07:33 PM
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I understand. I don't know exactly how to phrase it but hearing extremely high standards from decisively average looking women does concern me. It's certainly true that eventually the majority of them are going to have to lower their standards if they want a long term relationship. But from now until then, a lot of average looking to slightly below average looking guys have to put up with being treated with contempt, despite not being responsible for any of the problems in modern dating. This do…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/24 11:03 PM
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https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/1f35fzy/this_will_always_be_posts_with_affirmative_claims/lkg9ypv/
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/24 10:36 PM
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That's correct, the term "incel" was originally invented by a woman. The fact that lonely women are vastly outnumbered by lonely men should tell you something, and that's considering that incels are only a small minority portion of the actual subset of lonely men. Foreveralonewomen had to ban men from trying to date the women, oftentimes their "foeveralone"ness is just transient, and people don't express nearly the same negative sentiments towards late bloomer women as they do to late bloomer me…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/24 03:49 PM
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I think Q4[Men or Women] gatekeeping is pretty reasonable since I don't want a bunch of men jumping in to talk about a question aimed at women or vice versa. But Q4[Pill color] gatekeeping is really stupid because few people line up perfectly with one of the pills and in any case asking people with very similar viewpoints about a topic is an invitation to circlejerk
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 10:30 PM
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I have a slight problem with the linked post because it draws the line slightly too early. From all that I've been able to see, there's a phase between last year of high school to first year of college, where you're still in normie territory if you haven't dated or had sex yet. But after that point is when things get really tough, so the actual cutoff is probably about 19. There are multiple reasons for why it's important: Young men have the highest sex drives by far out of any demographic, whic…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 10:20 PM
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Woman can still benefit from dating as a teenager, but there are two reasons why it's talked about less: 1) Men are expected to initiate in dating, and take the lead. Ironically, it would be a lot easier for women to do this. In any case, women are very unforgiving of men who can't do this past their early 20s, hence the need for men to get some prior experience (especially when the stakes are low). 2) Women, if they wanna date in their teenage years, are mostly doing just that. There's not real…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 10:03 PM
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Completely disgusting. They will then have the audacity to say "it's men's fault that male mental health isn't taken seriously" No. The reason male mental health isn't taken seriously is because these people have decided it's ok to mock a suicide victim.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 04:00 PM
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Explain to me what "drip out" means Explain to me how OF cam girls are relevant to the topic of how people use online dating apps Explain to me how knowingly paying for porn, and having your feelings used for entertainment are equivalent
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 06:06 PM
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He's saying that if men had an app which would pair them with women who craved talking with them, they could use that app as an instant source of validation, and afford to be extremely picky, men would probably enjoy "being social" too. The problem is that it's disingenuous and manipulative to purposefully maintain sexual tension because it provides more entertainment. The reason why men have justifiably negative attitudes towards online dating apps is directly because of the negative interactio…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 05:47 PM
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I'm British, and I think British people are ugly. The higher rate of obesity and lack of sunlight compared to mainland Europe does have negative effects, and I find a lot of the modern popular fashion in the UK to just be strange and weird. Of course, when it comes to obesity Americans are throwing stones from glass houses, and it's not like Americans have great taste in fashion either.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/24 09:26 PM
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The "you can reject anyone for any reason" discourse doesn't reflect how people actually feel. People agree with the principle, but then continually find fault with the validity of rejection of groups they feel sympathetic towards, particularly if this is a group they identify with. In reality, the viewpoint people really have is that rejection of the out-group is inherently always ok, but rejection of the in-group must be heavily scrutinized.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/24 09:19 PM
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Ok that's really fucked up 🙁
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 04:25 PM
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Ah, thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 03:44 PM
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ok wtf I don't actually know how to respond to that 💀, sorry that happened. Are you 100% sure your dad didn't interpret this as "all men fall in love with their daughters" (familial love) or was there really 0 room for misinterpretation?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 03:37 PM
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I'm willing to admit part of why my misery has lasted so long is that people didn't really take my mental health seriously - I remember being pretty open with parents/teachers about the fact that I was really depressed when I was about 17 and my school sent me for a blood test which I never was told the results of, and assumed I'd just snap out of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 03:29 PM
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🤮 I've been down the "just handle the mental health independently" rabbit hole for nearly a decade now and it never gets better. Talking therapy and pills don't seem to treat this well at all. Not in connection to anything you've said but I think less people having kids is probably a good thing - housing prices are sky high already, I've probably had my perspective on this altered though because some of the work I've done dealt directly with people who absolutely should not have had kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 03:22 PM
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Their romantic struggles would impact their mental health which would domino effect a lot of other things. You could be content with being very laid-back on this but there will be more far-reaching negative effects sooner or later.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 03:01 PM
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Do you think that they are just mouthing off, or that they would genuinely follow through on their actions?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 02:46 PM
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Yeah all of that is pretty true, with new IVF treatments they're gonna be genetically engineering men to have elephant penises pretty soon, at which point it's game over.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 11:03 PM
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The explanation for this is that some of them unironically believe that only women are human.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 11:01 PM
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False. There's a ton of genetically determined shit that's worth freaking out about, the dickpill isn't one of them. Women can't select for dick size at any point in the screening process until they've already indicated they want to have sex with you and you've taken your pants off. This means if they want to reject you based on dick size they cannot be subtle about it and there is no plausible deniability. Men have lied so frequently about dick size that women have difficulty visualizing what a…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 10:44 PM
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Not knowing whether somebody is neurodivergent or not is different from definitely knowing, in this case people definitely know Musk is neurodivergent
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 10:49 PM
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If you look at somebody behaving unusually and you just *know* they're neurodivergent, then pleading ignorance doesn't really work as a good excuse
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 10:30 PM
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Yeah. If somebody is visibly neurodiverse in a public setting and the internet dogpiles on him specifically because of that neurodiverse behavior, that's ableism.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 09:51 PM
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But I think this guy is getting offended on his behalf a little too much. You're correct, this TikToker is a known troll. But, in this case only, he's not wrong with the point that he made
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 09:46 PM
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He is most definitely neurodivergent. It is also the case that he's a narcissist, but in this case it's the autistic behavior that is the target for mockery
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 09:18 PM
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I'll make it clear. Mocking somebody because they're unethical, a horrible boss, or because they ruined a website you like are all on the table and fair game. That's not what is happening. What's happening is people are dogpiling on Musk because of his unusual behavior during this event, which is clear neurodivergent behavior. As a consequence of the target being somebody who is justifiably not very popular anyway, people are really letting the ableism fly.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 09:12 PM
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Oh, there's a lot of good reasons to hate Musk. However, on this occasion the hate directed at him is because he was publicly visibly autistic. Just because he is a bad person, this doesn't greenlight mockery of neurodivergent behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 09:05 PM
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oh yeah, it's not a genuine accent. I looked through some of his other content, and this TikToker's whole shtick is that he puts on a silly accent then argues for something completely outrageous. When I saw him pop up on my fyp page I assumed I was gonna hear some nonsense, but then I thought about it and I realised he didn't overplay his hand here at all. Even if he's only saying this to make liberals mad, in this instance he's entirely right
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 08:55 PM
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This guy is generally an internet provocateur but on this occasion he's hit the mark and is 100% right. https://www.tiktok.com/@neo.coom/video/7423086992520432929 The hate directed at Musk because of the above image is pure ableism. The unprincipled reaction from lefties towards genuine neurodivergence is really disappointing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 08:46 PM
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I can't prove that, because that would be dealing in a hypothetical which I can't gather data on I can prove that being a bully doesn't seem to be a barrier to entry for relationships, and therefore that the men who are rejected aren't being rejected because they're abusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 06:48 PM
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I don't have proof of a trend that behaving respectfully leads to a greater chance of being lonely. However, I do have proof that being a bully/abusive leads to a greater chance of being successful: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10426866/#:\~:text=In%20both%20studies%2C%20bullying%20was,and%20number%20of%20sexual%20partners. I dunno if I can prove that there's a bunch of Prince Charmings rotting at home somewhere, but I can prove definitively that the link in people's mind between…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 04:58 PM
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damn, and I guess I fall to second place
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 04:40 PM
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When the male loneliness epidemic is brought up, a common rhetort is that women don't want to be with abusive men anymore. But if this were the case, men could easily ensure they weren't one of the lonely ones by behaving very respectfully towards women, so it is clear that this is a poor explanation. Yet somehow, being a lonely male is linked to being morally bad in people's minds. Explain this.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 01:30 PM
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Of course, the problem is that the men they're tweeting about use their wealth and power to shield themselves from real social consequences. The women will then bottle this emotion up and take it out on men who vaguely resemble Musk (autistic/socially awkward) but who haven't actually done anything wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 12:00 PM
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26 year old kv here. Looks like I'm in the lead 😎🥇 Let's see if any KVs here were born earlier than March 1998
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 11:32 AM
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26 year old kv here. Looks like I'm in the lead 😎🥇 Let's see if any KVs here were born earlier than March 1998
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 11:32 AM
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WEAK dodge. The fact that it is fictional strengthens my argument. Women could've chosen to write a story about and subsequently get horny to anything. They CHOSE to get horny over a romance novel with abuse as the keystone piece. And it isn't just a fascination with fictional violence either - for whatever fucking reason women are also obsessed with true crime series that frequently romanticize serial killers. There is clearly a problem that stretches beyond just a few women sending nudes to se…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 11:32 PM
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Lack of money isn't a punishment either. So I'm sure that by following the exact same logic through, you're fine with large corporations having financial incentives to behave unethically, which in turn makes life shit for everyone else. It might very well be the case that I choose to behave ethically anyway. However, incentivizing unethical behavior is in itself unethical. Being cool with bad behavior being rewarded, is extremely close to actively egging people on to do this shit in the first pl…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 09:11 PM
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Alternatively, you could consider not making excuses for these women. If it was "some", ie a small number, I'd ignore it. The problem is that they're not an outlier, they're just at the tail end of a very clear trend of women being obsessed with sociopathic men. 50 Shades of Grey is a story about abuse of power, an abusive relationship, and abusive sex. Literature critics unanimously think it's badly written, which is exactly what you'd expect considering it started as Twilight fanfiction. It ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 08:55 PM
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This question is kinda wrong on its surface since young broke men actually do have options.. if they have the right genetics. Being young and broke isn't something you can control either, unlike being fat which you have plenty of control over. The OP is significantly weakened once you realise that plenty of men are very willing to date fat women if the woman is willing to go jogging with them or do other kinds of exercise. Your average person is willing to invest effort in their partner so that …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 06:00 PM
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I want you to know that even though I have bested you in this argument, that I still have more respect for you and your mental health than an abusive Chad ever would.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 03:44 PM
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Actually, I remember some women who had shitty bfs. The women weren't bad people, they'd just mixed up being nice with letting people walk over them, and didn't seem to be aware that they had the tools to punish bad behaviour from other people. Bad behaviour that isn't punished, pretty much always persists. There are two reasons why this "ALL men are abusive jerks and it's just sour grapes from the unattractive ones" line doesn't sit well with me. The first, is that obviously I don't like the in…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 03:30 PM
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cool cool would you be the guy to treat them better? I would, actually. I hear about guys continually cheating on their partners because they have so many options, or using women only for sex and then ghosting them. Dunno how good I'd be, but I can definitively say I would treat women better than that. It's worth pointing out that the OP is being strawmanned in the replies here. He is making the comparison between: a woman chasing a conventionally attractive man who has a ton of other options, g…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 03:00 PM
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People who don't suffer negative consequences for their bad actions tend to keep doing them why would the handsome yet abusive jerk change if women are going to keep giving him n+1 chances?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 02:54 PM
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I've considered this before. I don't care if a woman has a really high bodycount as long as all of the following are true: there's mutual love, we treat each other well, she is still enthusiastic to have sex with me, she doesn't have incurable STDs. I think a lot of red pill-inspired has really polluted this discourse. I don't actually care that much about a woman's past as long as she is a good partner in the present.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 09:15 AM
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The OP seems to try to genuinely understand the problem, a lot of commenters on this issue certainly do not try and do that. The problem is that you can't really separate the two. There are two prongs to this, the fact that depression hurts your ability to form relationships (the part that blue pillers love to bring up), and how you can't really cure some types of depression without addressing the sexual issue (this is the part that blue pillers loathe when somebody brings it up). I will define …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 09:04 AM
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*EXACERBATE. The word you were looking for was included in the OP in the last sentence, are you sure you read it through fully? Incidentally, if anyone is wondering why people spend years depressed despite asking for help, the sentiment of "ignore the depressed person on what they need, you know better than they do" is a huge contributor to this.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 08:07 AM
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I think it's an interesting post, it was probably highlighted because it has more effort put into it than most. You can probably extrapolate it across reddit subs, or at least to any sub to do with dating. We essentially see the same attitude mirrored across various dating subs that: women expressing negative attitudes towards men's dating behaviour = justified anger, whereas men expressing negative attitudes towards women's dating behaviour = whiny self-inflicted injury incel attitude. I am uns…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 04:01 PM
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37 BMI is so far removed from anything normal, and is well into the obese range. I don't get how somebody can type that they exercise regularly and take care of themselves while being overweight to that degree. The thing is, that at this kind of weight, she will get incredible returns on investment for how much effort she's willing to put into losing weight, so I wonder if she will connect the dots and realize what has to be done.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 02:37 AM
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My dog still frequently appears in my dreams despite him dying April 2017. It's a strange feeling
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 12:15 AM
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I think the "being nice doesnt work, therefore you should be an asshole instead" logic must be built on the maxim that men should only care about getting laid. This isn't a maxim I agree with, but it is difficult to successfully make the argument that you should care about the collective, when the collective clearly doesn't care about you. I tend to try to be nice anyway, I thought about why recently and concluded it's ultimately because I prefer to be a decent person and I'm not sociopathic eno…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 03:59 PM
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The reason why men are sceptical of the "just join a hobby group" advice is that a hobby group that satisfies all 3 of the requirements of: mostly even gender split, always eager to take in new members, and fine with members mostly joining for dating... this doesn't exist. If it did exist, it would be a new dating app which would then have exactly the same thing happen to it as every other dating app. PPD probably collectively needs to admit that the hobby group advice is bad advice rather than …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 03:32 PM
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They're not admitting anything because there is no logic, they do not genuinely believe any of the 3 maxims as absolutes. The sooner you have this realization that too many people in this space aren't arguing in good faith, the better off you will be - I have changed my arguing style specifically because of this. You will notice seriously different reactions if a girlfriend/wife loses attraction to her boyfriend/husband than if the positions were reversed, despite the situation in question being…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 04:49 AM
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I think he's a good looking guy. I clicked through his profile and found out he is 5'4 (edit: I see now it says 5'5 in the hinge profile, difference is probably whether he's standing up straight or not). If he were around 6 inches taller I don't see why he wouldn't be getting matches. If he were even taller than that, he'd likely be one of the few men doing well on dating apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 11:15 AM
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That's not how evolution works. The weak dying off is EXACTLY how evolution works. Modern medicine stands in opposite to natural selection, because modern medicine is not part of nature. Your average person who is dependent on medical advancements to stay alive is not a doctor and has no idea how it works, it isn't an adaptation. What you are describing with modern medicine has an is-ought distinction problem, modern medicine isn't a good thing just because it is there, medicine is a good thing …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 02:04 AM
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Using arguments about the modern age that rely on natural selection is inherently fallacious. "Mother nature" also does her work by killing off the unfit - it therefore holds that anyone who has had their life saved by modern medicine should be castrated as in a state of nature they would not be able to reproduce. Another problem of looking at the world through the lens of natural selection is that it inherently justifies murder, as the victim wasnt strong enough to successfully defend against t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 09:32 PM
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You'd probably be a lot happier if you at least tried to empathise with men btw. Back in the really old days, marriage wasn't about "love" as we currently understand it, and a man certainly was not going around picking and choosing women based on superficial standards. The peasantry married out of convenience, because somebody needed to work the field and somebody needed to look after the children and care for the home. The aristocracy married for political or economic advantage - one noble's da…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 09:19 AM
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I understand. She means the average redditor probably knows a number of completely dysfunctional people, and the redditor thinks they look normal by comparison. But of course compared to the general population, they're still very much not normal. They just think they're vaguely normal because their point of comparison is other people on reddit rather than the genuine average person.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 04:04 PM
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Hmm, I think this goes slightly too far for my tastes. The evidence, from both my linked post and the study above, suggests that autistic women do struggle. But the hurdle seems to be surmountable. It's reasonable to talk about the issue, but they take up a disproportionate amount of bandwidth talking about their problems. The part that men get upset over is that all the data I've seen suggests that neurodivergent men, autistic men in particular, are when comes to their dating opportunities, str…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 10:45 PM
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Let me clarify. While it is true that those disorders are associated with social manipulation, people often overstate the proficiency of the manipulators. Nobody masks flawlessly and often NPD/ASPD people slip up on numerous occasions. The difference is that somebody who might be a narcissist or a sociopath gets given a yellow card, which a lot of people just choose to push through and give second chances to. Somebody who might be autistic gets given a red card and sent off the pitch immediately…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 09:25 PM
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This is just factually true. I did some research and found this: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/1390257 and So it is correct to say that neurodiverse women have it tougher than NT women, but autistic women have nearly double the success rate of autistic men, if success is defined as having children. I've done my own analysis on frequency of sexual intercourse using a different study: https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/1f35fzy/this_will_always_be_posts_…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 06:17 PM
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"men are the gatekeepers of relationships" you need me to repeat the TRP narrative? women have easy access to sex but not to relationships. if you've never seen this, that's really not my fault. Yeah. They're lying. I meant to outline this pretty clearly, but nobody believes 100% of all red pill talking points, otherwise they'd refuse all medical treatment in favor of punching boxing bags, and then promptly die. This line is a c0pe, because it lets red pillers pretend they will have some degree …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 06:13 PM
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