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Dual-Mating StrategyOver_North8884/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen09/01/22 06:38 AM
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Living in Asia, I can tell you: male homosexuality provides pressure relief. Then there's countries like Laos that are so jealous of being outcompeted by foreign men that they make it a crime to sleep with their women. Of course foreign women can sleep with Laotian men all they want - but that almost never happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 05:11 AM
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It doesn't matter. As a middle-aged guy I'd rather be celebate than date these old pruned out crones.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:15 AM
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Yeah and requires a prescription that is almost impossible to obtain and can induce severe side effects such as acromegaly. Sucks to be tall but ugly. HGH is almost never prescribed just for height alone, there is usually an HGH deficiency.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 11:50 PM
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"focus on increasing their height"? What the hell? The only way is surgery that many regret and makes one look disproportioned.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 02:30 PM
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It's certainly possible. I had a partner on top of me squeezing so hard I got lighheaded while she grunted like a boar. But that was rare and she was otherwise quite traditional.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 09:57 AM
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That's open to interpretation because some view penile penetration as dominant regardless. I think of it more in terms of who controls the pacing. But there's also the element of the woman delivering oral when she'll doesn't really want to which would actually be submissive. Dominance is a multidimensional space without a clear answer in many cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 09:27 AM
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You claim you’re not red pill but you’re parroting its ideology uncritically? I'm not. I'm generally agreeing with one sliver of RP both because I see it in action and because of scholarly empirical evidence supporting it. Most of RP I disagree with. A stopped clock is still correct twice a day. No modern women do not also want their partner’s money. Bull. I'm active on dating apps, I see it constantly. It's not a random sample but you're not seeing the actual behavior of women - even if you dat…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 09:11 AM
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You’re trying to claim women want men to be patriarchal, when clearly women have been fighting for generations to have their independence and empowerment in society. I made no such claim. A lot of women are choosing not to get married and have children rather than “submit” to a man. Yes that's a direct consequence of being unable to find husbands with significantly greater resources. As women achieve financial parity they still demand men with superior resource extraction potential so the pool o…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 08:49 AM
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That's like a Christian nationalist disagreeing that they're a bigot, a child molester saying their victims' experience was beautiful, or a wife beater denying he's abusive. You can deny the fundamental nature of women but it changes nothing. Women are driven by competing reproductive goals, to mate with partners who pass on genes for survival and to have a reliable provider partner who cares for family. Thus the existence of cuckoldry, AF/BB, and dual mating strategy. Men are driven by competin…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 08:29 AM
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Reality doesn't care about your opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 07:59 AM
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I didn't say submission and that was just one example. You're over-interpreting. Boss bitches in their prime are almost always attracted to men bossier than themselves. As they get older the attraction remains but they settle.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 07:49 AM
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There's a difference between what women say they want and what women actually want. What almost always happens is the simp gets cheated on or dumped. Simps stay friendzoned or beta buxxed. They're not targets of female carnality. Activate feminity: imagine a bad boy having a ONS with a good girl. He "activated" her. She may go home to her provider significant other but when she's doling sex to him she'll think about the bad boy making her cum over and over again. What physically arouses women is…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 07:39 AM
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A simp is an indecisive pushover who gives women everything they ask for.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 07:23 AM
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I suspect he's not a real simp.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 07:15 AM
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Because you'll eventually perceive him as a wimpy pushover. Women respond to a certain firmness and resistance to activate their femininity.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 07:13 AM
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Men neg as a last resort strategy. The best personality-based tactics to attract women are through storytelling and humor. If a man has those down then he doesn't need to neg.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 05:14 AM
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Yeah until you get tired of his simping.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 05:09 AM
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Women aren’t out there telling one another to neg men. Because women do it instinctively but it's called shit testing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 05:07 AM
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Women don't require negging advisement. They do it instinctively.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 05:05 AM
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Nah you don't understand male psychology. Men mostly care about loot and slavery because it enhances sexual access. Protecting sexual access is a major motivation for signing up for war. Most men would choose a middle class life with ready sexual access to willing beautiful women over a hyper-wealthy but celibate life.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 07:54 AM
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"Impress" and "impressionable" are being used slightly differently here despite identical word stems. "Impress" is referring to quick reaction like "ohh he's tall, charming, handsome, and rich". "Impressionable" would be, "I'm too in love to adhere to my vow to wait until marriage and he wants me so bad". One is short term and suggestive, the other is long term and coercive. One is a quick emotional response, the other is fluidity in values, boundaries, and sense of self.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 08:16 AM
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It's a logical conclusion if a woman's value is in gestation and suckling as you say.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 03:12 PM
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No doubt
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 03:05 PM
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Roman soldiers could rape women from conquered tribes then take their pick of non-Roman women desperate for citizenship and that steady retirement income support. Same story, different details.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 02:33 PM
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Gender is in three parts: genetic, physical, and
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 07:26 AM
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Well nukes means the US will never be invaded. In a few years human soldiers will be redundant anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 07:22 AM
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So you can be kept in factory baby mills then...
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 07:20 AM
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Well yeah that's the propaganda effect - part of which included going to college on the GI bill, landing a good career, marrying, and living the ultraprocessed American dream - and which commonly occured.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 07:19 AM
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I often hear women screeching about their date prep costs: slathering on fakeup, manicures, pedicures, hair, on and on, as if men cared about that crap.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 05:52 AM
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Good point ☝️
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 07:30 AM
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You're the first woman to agree with me on this topic so that's a relief.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 05:30 AM
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You're further on this continuum than I am haha. I don't equate marriage with sex work but i think a substantial number of marriages involve sex work.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 05:13 AM
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Hookers do, not prostitutes in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 06:42 PM
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Nope exchanging sexual resources for financial resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 01:24 PM
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Hookers charge by unit of time, not prostitutes in general. Hot prostitutes willing to be hookers are financially taken care of. The everyday prostitutes hiding on marriages and relationships are often not.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 01:10 PM
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and has to put up with the man's bullshit for long stretches completely unpaid trusting there's a check at the end. Usually it's not even at the end. Being financially taken care of still contributes. You've just got some darkness in you and you're trying to get it out in all the wrong ways. Nah you're trying to throw back at me that a great number of women are on reality prostitutes. They really hate to think of the reality of their circumstances so they wrap it up in marriage, "standards", and…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 12:58 PM
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No it's still prostitution: exchanging sexual resources for financial resources. There is no requirement of an explicit agreement, a time limit, or other efforts to relabel reality. You're referring to hookers, call girls, etc. a subtype of prostitute. Other types include golddiggers, sugar babies, marrying money, and other tactics without specific names.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 08:48 AM
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If they do that, they're in that role, regardless of partner earnings. I'm not sure what your point is but I feel like you're leading me into a trap.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 08:35 AM
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I'm mostly indifferent to it. I would just assume hire maid service and order out and usually women emotionally dump on me.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 08:16 AM
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Prostitutes leave because they realize they can't extract anything more from their current marks or find a jucier marks, which can be years.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 08:13 AM
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If what doesn't happen?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 08:09 AM
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Depends on motivation. Prostitutes go through the motions without feeling or will leave once they extract enough resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 08:05 AM
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I would say no, at least in the USA, since most American women refuse traditional roles but many prostitutes/maids/chefs/daycare teachers/therapists exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 08:01 AM
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Roles are not mutually exclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 07:54 AM
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Prostitution isn't a product: sexual resources exchanged for financial resources. Deconstruct the ceremony and indirection and the reality of many relationships is ugly indeed.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 06:57 AM
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I have no idea what the percentage is. I've never seen a study about it. But correct, i was not claiming that all relationships are prostitution.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 02:21 AM
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Yes, all on the list. You're equivocating "it's".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 02:16 AM
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Well yes and no. I think of many "everyday relationships" as prostitution. I'm taking a deconstructivist approach to an uncomfortable truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 02:12 AM
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Yes in the context of the list I provided. Notice I didn't include two broke people who are married for 70 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 02:10 AM
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Your OP states that’s the only reason to enter relationships It doesn't say anything of the sort.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 01:58 AM
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Wrong. You specifically wrote that I enter relationships to exchange financial resources for sexual resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 01:55 AM
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Not "every", in fact most, relationships don't involve exchanging sexual resources for financial resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 01:53 AM
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I haven't seen an explanation from you that wasn't problematic.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 01:45 AM
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Uh, that's a personal attack with no basis.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 01:43 AM
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Breaking up over post-layoff behavior is not breaking up over the layoff itself. A 50/50 relationship situation is nuanced. My ex-wife and I had a 50/50 and we both supported each other during extended layoffs (and my extended illness). 50/50s generally assume the situation only holds while both partners can contribute but loss of provider ability doesn't constitute grounds for dissolution.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 01:42 AM
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Wanting a consistent career and breaking up with a dude because of circumstances outside his control are two totally different scenarios. If layoff equals breakup then it's prostitution.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 01:33 AM
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No, only if she's extracting financial resources. In fact it could go the opposite direction if she has significant economic resources and he doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 01:28 AM
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Right, I addressed that in the last paragraph of the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 01:19 AM
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On the contrary, it deconstructs relationships. It sounds more like you want to gussy up prostitution as acceptable by adding indirection and ceremony. Remove the superficialities and what you're left with is a boatload of prostitution.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 01:18 AM
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Would she still have sex without the dinner, flowers, and gifts? If not, prostitute.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 01:14 AM
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Yes a dude who expects a non-working wife is asking for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 01:13 AM
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Yes but not every transaction involves exchanging sexual resources for financial resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 01:12 AM
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Well many of those are still ultimately monetary. Chores would require hiring otherwise, events cost money.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 01:08 AM
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Dumping men who lose their livelihood doesn’t even apply here as it doesn’t prove that she was with him solely for the money he makes. "Solely" is not a requirement. A hooker may occasionally enjoy her work and might even orgasm. That doesn't mean she's not prostituting for that transaction. If sexual resources are exchanged for financial resources it's prostitution. That doesn't mean that there's no other factors involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 01:05 AM
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Nope. It's not either or. Any hope of exchanging sexual resources for financial resources is prostitution. A call girl may offer GFE, a goldigger may enjoy sex. They're both prostitutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 01:00 AM
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No but I've met plenty who are. About 3/4 of women on dating sites are financially motivated but that's over-representative.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 12:58 AM
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I would say yes because that A is indirectly financial. Adding indirection to the chain between financial resources and sexual resources doesn't change the fundamental nature of the transaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 12:48 AM
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I'd have to disagree with you on that one. Prostitution requires extraction of financial resources (AKA "money") not just an exchange. Two people who want to smash are not prostituting with each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 12:10 AM
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Yes it can apply to either gender but that's rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 12:04 AM
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Yes but not every relationship involves one party providing sex and the other providing financial resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 11:57 PM
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Which misses the point. Prostitution is when resource extraction is involved. If I got married and had children again I'd want the mother to have income capability in case I pass away. I'm not extracting resources so I'm not a prostitute.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 11:52 PM
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Yes it is but that's only one category of prostitution. The golddigger who waits for her rich and elderly husband to die is a prostitute but not a hooker. So is the woman who marries into money for a life of luxury or the single mom who fools a beta bux into marrying her and adopting her children then she divorces him and takes his home, car, 401k, child support payments, and alimony. It's a about intent not agreement, ceremony, or indirection.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 11:48 PM
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I screwed it up. It should be "the biggest determinant of one's socioeconomic status is the SES (socioeconomic status) of one's parents."
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 11:41 PM
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I see it another way, women limit the definition to avoid thinking of themselves as prostitutes. The definition you provide is engineered to make the reality of the situation acceptable by adding ceremony and indirection. A hooker who explicitly takes payment for sex and a goldigger who waits for her wealthy older husband to die are fundamentally the same. The golddigger adding lying and playing the long game is mere superficialities.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 11:40 PM
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No; there is no necessity of a guarantee. Gambling on a big payday is still prostitution. It's about intent.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 11:31 PM
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No it's having sex for money, not specifically payment.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 11:28 PM
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prostitution involves a clear exchange No it doesn't. That's the main point of my OP. It's about the reality of the situation rather than adding indirection and ceremony. Hooker -> sex -> payment Golddigger -> sex -> partner dies -> payday They're the same sitaustion, one is just honest about it and plays the short game, the other is lying and playing the long game. Both are prostitutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 11:26 PM
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That attacks the RP/incel position. I'm not RP or incel so I won't defend it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 11:18 PM
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No doubt.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 11:12 PM
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Thanks good to know. His thinking shows signs of illness so I started ignoring him.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 06:39 PM
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Broke is independent of unstable and irrational. I never commented about that but you seem to lump them all together when they're independent (although correlated) variables.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 06:33 PM
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No. No sex (or dangling out the possibility of sex like friendzoners accumulating orbiters), no prostitution.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 06:22 PM
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Ok a similar debate in another thread made me realize an important piece was missing in this example: there must be planned resource extraction so I withdraw my earlier comment you replied to.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 06:20 PM
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Because that implies you only have sex with non-broke people.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 06:16 PM
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It depends on if one person is "liked" because they have financial assets targeted for extraction by the other party.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 06:15 PM
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What you identified wasn't in my list.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 06:12 PM
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Prostitution implies specifically offering sex through payment That's a specific type of prostitution: hookers, call girls, street tramps, etc who specialize in short term transactions.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 06:12 PM
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That's true for actual hookers, call girls, etc., not prostitutes in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 06:08 PM
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It’s not prostitution if I intentionally seek out a partner who wants to have a home and a family and is striving towards having a job that supports those dreams. That one is nuanced but it might or might not be. It’s not prostitution to break up with someone who can’t hold down a job due to their own fault. Well if you have to support them then yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 06:06 PM
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You're attacking a straw man.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 06:02 PM
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If a woman has financial standards for who she sleeps with, she's a gold digger. Fixed it for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 06:01 PM
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but the exchange has to be clear. No it doesn't. Example: younger woman marries older man to seize his fortune when he dies. It's still prostitution. It's about intent and results not explicitness. if either side has any material benefit it is prostitution? It's relative. If a fairly wealthy woman picked someone based on the cars they drive or the houses they own, that would make them a prostitute? They also drive nice cars and have nice houses. Not necessarily if they're not financially gaining…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 05:56 PM
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If you have a different definition we can debate it. I didn't actually invent this one either.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 05:46 PM
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It’s as much as a “dual mating strategy” as you describing men as “they just fuck sluts for fun, but LTR virginal women.” I don't disagree with that although the "mating" in this context refers to long term relationships. At least Beta Bob gets a marriage Yeah so what if he loses everything after the marriage. Sounds like the “sluts” just get used and discarded despite wanting longterm romance too. I'd rather get used up and discarded than that plus lose my 401k, house, and be held responsible f…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 05:44 PM
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It's not, BUT "payment" can be very indirect. A woman can marry a very old wealthy man, wait for him to croak, and take everything. It's still prostitution.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 05:38 PM
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You're referring to alpha fux/beta bux which is an incel concept. I don't think people are confused by it like that so much as warning men of predatory women engaging in dual mating strategy and condemning said women. The difference in alpha fux/beta bux vs. long-term/recreational use only is that RUO women emerge with broken hearts. Beta bux men emerge with loss of home, retirement accounts, and child support for children that aren't theirs.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 05:35 PM
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Yeah I garbled that acronym.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 05:24 PM
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Yeah it depends on how much it's give and take. Obviously we can't in the format of a reddit discussion completely formalize all the nuances and everything. Academics could probably spend careers doing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 05:20 PM
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Like is it prostitution if a check out worker gets paid to ring up my groceries? Is sex involved?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 05:18 PM
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without liking or caring for the other person and the entire interaction being caused by and dependent on a one way exchange for each party I wouldn't consider that part of the definition. It's prostitution if one party hopes to or does obtain financial benefit from having sex. There's no confounding factors.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 05:15 PM
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Short or long term. Some women play the long game.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 05:13 PM
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Prostitution is having sex for money not having sex with someone who has money. If This is technically correct. If you sleep with a rich man and have no hope of financial gain and don't receive any then it's not prostitution.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 05:11 PM
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4 of those dont have a quid pro quo, and are not prostitution. They all had quid pro quo, it was just implicit. One party provides money, the other party provides sex. otherwise all relationships where people have any kind of mutual benefit would be prostitution, which just makes the word meaningless. No because there has to be sex offered on one side and financial gain on the other side to be prostitution.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 05:10 PM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 05:04 PM
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Prostitution is obtaining financial gain through sex. Indirection and ceremony introduced to mask it doesn't change it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 05:03 PM
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I'm not saying you can. Sometimes it's not obvious until after the fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 05:02 PM
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No. Prostitution exists independently of the legal system. Only a subset of prostitution is criminal, just like only a subset of homicide is criminal.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 05:01 PM
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Prostitution is transactional, does not involve romantic feelings, and is inherently temporary intimacy. No. Prostitution occurs when one hopes for financial gain from sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 04:59 PM
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If you wouldn't have sex with them if they were broke then yes, it's prostitution. You hope for financial gain.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 04:58 PM
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I'm not referring to the crime of prostitution, which is a different matter, and it's inconsistently defined among states. What you described are core tenets of American culture. Yes it is. Take that as you will.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 04:55 PM
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You're also presenting this with women as the sole initiators of prostitution. Are men who seek out sexually open and attractive partners guilty of being clients if they buy gifts or try to impress her with his job? You didn't read the entire post.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 04:51 PM
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The selection of men based on gifts or cars or what have you is not exchanging sex for money. It's choosing who you relationship based on their financial capacities. They're the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 04:50 PM
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Because you're still having sex for money, AKA prostitution. What you bring to the table is completely irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 04:49 PM
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It's at the beginning of the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 04:47 PM
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Would he leave you if you lost your breadwinning ability? That's really the acid test.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 04:43 PM
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You've never read the misogynistic writing of far right women apparently. I didn't know her political stance so I was reserving judgment.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 04:37 PM
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I'm not sure where the first part of that came from.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 04:35 PM
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Not through payment but for money. It's an important difference. Perhaps you disagree with the definition of prostitution I provided.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 04:30 PM
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Well i showed exactly what the logical flow was and you never actually directly the addressed it besides saying I was stuck on exactly what you wrote. But, whatever, I'm done with this. Good luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 04:28 PM
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No, you just committed a logical flaw. It's ok, we all do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 04:22 PM
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Uh, ok bud.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 04:20 PM
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Your own inability to provide anyone else. That's not the way it works. You're transferring the burden of proof.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 04:19 PM
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That doesn't mean my statement was assigned to any opponent. You really are confused.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 04:18 PM
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It’s not a logical flaw to say “The most popular” and cite the most popular Which doesn't describe the logical flaw.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 04:17 PM
1

Again where's the evidence that only rps are obsessed with this?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 04:15 PM
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Correct. There was no opponent I was assigning that to.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 04:15 PM
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You provided no evidence that only RPs are "obsessed" with an expanded definition of prostitution. That would be an extremely difficult proposition to prove, requiring a statistical survey of the general population. That is you own misinformed opinion, that's all.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 04:13 PM
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You don't know what a straw man is. There is nothing in that statement that's a straw man.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 04:10 PM
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and then got more evidence AFTER I pointed out the logical flaw.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 04:06 PM
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It's not my burden of proof. You're the claimant.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 04:05 PM
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Only RPs are obsessed with It. False
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 04:03 PM
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That's not something i would either support or object to. I have mixed feelings on prostitution.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 04:02 PM
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No I'm not. You're attackingva straw man.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 04:01 PM
0

Okay see you are being facetious.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 04:00 PM
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I read it several times. I'm still not sure. It's not clear if you're being facetious or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 04:00 PM
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I'm not doubling down on anything. My reply to you was just about the logical fault in your argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 03:59 PM
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I'm not sure what to make that.Ii'm not sure if you're even being serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 03:57 PM
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I was careful to write the OP to not make a value judgment on prostitution. I never said it was good or bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 03:57 PM
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A lot of people who were born into poverty do have ambition, as well, No they don't. That's the BS "American dream" mythology.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 03:55 PM
-1

On other words you're saying his wife should have been a prostitute.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 03:54 PM
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No doubt they do, especially when the woman was only with him for his money at the time anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 03:52 PM
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I neither know nor care. It's not relevant. I was just pointing out RP ideology and you're blowing an anthill into a mountain.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 03:50 PM
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I'm not in disagreement. I'm not defending RP.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 03:49 PM
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No. You're hijacking the topic with the blatant lie that RPers are the only ones who care about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 03:49 PM
1

No need, I just don't date prostitutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 03:47 PM
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It's still not relevant. RPs hate SMs. It doesn't matter how many you demonstrate that's the philosophy. I'm not defending them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 03:47 PM
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I never mentioned RP in my post. You introduced it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 03:45 PM
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Yeah so what? It doesn't change anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 03:44 PM
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That's exactly what I said. ONE.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 03:42 PM
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I can only speak to what the red pillers preach not what they practice.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 03:42 PM
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I'm not sure I'd call it hypocrisy. Their standards are just different for long-term versus recreational use only.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 03:40 PM
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No, the biggest determinant of one's socioeconomic status is the SES of one's parents. The second distant determinant is intelligence. It's about winning the birth lottery.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 03:38 PM
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The point is it's always transactional even if done indirectly and ceremoniously through marriage or whatever. Adding a facade doesn't change the fundamental nature of the arrangement.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 03:36 PM
-5

Important caveat: for STRs, yes. RPs despise SMs.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 03:33 PM
-2

So anyone who is broke is a thug? A man who comes into money should trade up his partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 03:26 PM
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You wrote "the" which implies "one". You move the goalposts.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 03:25 PM
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If the "like" would fail because of financial misfortune then yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 03:23 PM
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It depends on if you consider hiring street walkers a valid form of attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 03:21 PM
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One piller gets busted sugaring (prostituting) ??? Therefore, only pillers sugar. Critical logic failure.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 03:19 PM
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No doubt.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 03:10 PM
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I don't mean opposite sex judging specifically but society in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 03:09 PM
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Because men aren't judged by their skin but their ability to provide which they stress about just like women stress about their looks. Poor men have outcomes similar to ugly women: stress, ridicule, depression. Rich men have outcomes similar to beautiful women: relaxed, halo effect, confidence. Rich men who lose their livelihoods react similarly to poorly aging supermodels.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 02:48 PM
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5 - Guy confesses his feelings and girl completely freaks out and starts a campaign to destroy his life.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 04:24 PM
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There's nothing about the scenario that implies incest but again the topic is how females are reproductive bottlenecks. You are objecting to irrelevancies.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 09:26 AM
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I'm telling you what biologists say about this, similar to stating how climate change, and a round Earth works. OTOH, I could say the about you since you're making scientific claims but they defy the scientific consensus . You're like a flat earther or climate denier.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 09:18 AM
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No, you just don't know what you're talking about. Half siblings mating have a higher incidence of birth defects but that doesn't make the population non-viable. Regardless, A population of 1500 is more viable than a population of 15. You're raising irrelevant objections.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 09:15 AM
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I already showed you how it works biologically. You raised irrelevant objections.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 09:10 AM
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Not by 50 years. In-breeding doesn't work that quickly. Again, it still shows how women are reproductive bottlenecks. You're creating irrelevant objections.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 05:53 AM
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That's not a relevant factor. You specifically asked for biological reasons. You're moving the goalposts.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 05:50 AM
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And I would be right. The sole female island would produce at most 15 offspring in the first generation and likely much fewer. Meanwhile the other island could produce up to 1500 offspring. It's not even a contest.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 03:49 AM
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You're referring to inbreeding. They will not both fail after 50 years. Maybe 200 but not 50. You're raising irrelevant objections to the example. I'm not a scientist yet I'm citing how biologists have explained this. You're like someone claiming the Earth is flat then objecting when a non-scientist disputes with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 07:27 PM
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Yes there is. Women are the reproductive bottleneck and therefore gatekeeper. Illustration: Island A has 1 man and 100 women. Island B has 100 men and 1 woman. Don't nitpick, such as questioning the fertility of the inhabitants Come back in 50 years. Which island is most likely to have a thriving society? There's no point getting depressed about it as your other comment suggested, there was no intelligence behind it. It's just the way humans evolved. Men are nearly always reproductive surplus, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 10:37 AM
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As you wish
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 08:54 AM
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It's studied in basic biology but I'm not hunting citations. If you remain skeptical that's ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 08:12 AM
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Yes biologically because they have few reproductive opportunities compared to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 08:09 AM
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I'm saying exactly that women are selective.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 08:00 AM
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It's exactly why males are pursuers and females the pursued in most of nature. Males want to spread seed far and wide, females want to maximize chances of each offspring surviving.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 07:41 AM
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A single male can father thousands of children. A single female can mother maybe 15 children.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 07:13 AM
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It's biologically designed that way. Women are the reproductive bottlenecks.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 06:07 AM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 03:54 PM
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Women are of reproductive age from age 11 well into their 40s. What’s your point? It seems pretty obvious. Post menopausal women have little excuse to dig gold but they do anyway. And nobody said that the guy doesn’t need other characteristics too. Just that being able to provide is one of them. Go back and look at your phrasing. The RISK of getting pregnant despite not PLANNING or WANTING to have children is always there. Certain BC methods are above 99% effectiveness such as injections and IUD…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 12:01 AM
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No it's based on how good a father their partner can be overall. Being rich has little benefit if he's abusive, neglectful, or psycho. Provider ability is only relevant if the woman is of reproductive age (except adoption) and wants children out of the relationship. Also relevant is the number of children and how much she stays home with them. If the couple has daycare or a nanny then she's not contributing much past pregnancy. Most dating relationships are not with the goal of bearing children.…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 11:26 PM
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It's prostitution. There's nothing willfully ignorant about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 10:24 PM
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I make exception for parenting, which is a different situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 10:23 PM
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I'm not balking at anything. "Most" isn't personalizing. You are in no way using the same logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 05:27 PM
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In another thread I made exception for parenting. I'm not mentioning that because parenting isn't essential to relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 05:18 PM
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You're personalizing. It's a cheap shot to assume that. I could come back and say that you're upset because you're a prostitute but I'm not.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 05:16 PM
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Huh? That's a non-sequitur. Asexual women and provider men are not on a continuum together. It makes no sense whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 05:14 PM
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Prostitute is shaming language True or not, it fits. You're upset because YOU can't. You're personalizing. I'm not clapping back with the obvious. You want to use emotional shaming language when providing has been done by men since prehistory. I agree but it changes nothing. Exchanging sex for food and shelter is still prostitution.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 05:10 PM
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No they're not. Money is irrelevant to a relationship. It only becomes an issue with parenting. prostitute (n) One who has sex for money. The point is made. Most women are prostitutes, even if married.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 02:07 PM
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Interestingly enough there are men here who claim that they get sexual favors in exchange for dinner, or that they want to, and when i call it prostitution they don't like it at all. That's an interesting take and in this case we see eye to eye. So men saying that sex is the only reason for them to be in relationship, and women should just give it for free? Well if she doesn't like sex or me then I wouldn't want to be with her. Many men aren't that way though.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 01:01 PM
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Do you have a source for that first one? Because les than zero is negative and I don't think there's a situation here where negative makes sense I think you misread. As you pointed out, asexuals may seek relationships, so it's not less than zero. Your grandmother was (hopefully) not your partner. When someone loses their spouse. Their girlfriend or boyfriend. Why do they miss them of the main drove for love is sex? It's not like they can have sex with an urn. Emotional bonding. Sex drive doesn't…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 12:58 PM
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Ranking of sex on Maslow's hierarchy of needs differs between individuals. Some individuals like yourself could swear it off for life, others get dangerously depressed. RE "sans our gonads": for example, a castrated male. Castrated men typically lose over 90% of their sex drive and no longer seek romantic relationships. Women who have hysterectomies have similar results (they take hormones to stay in normal range).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 11:58 AM
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Don't reply to this until you're rested. Regarding if sex is truly a need is beside the point. For the vast majority of people, it occupies a position on Maslow's hierarchy of needs. The fundamental issue in my mind is that sans our gonads, we lose almost all interest in both sex and relationships. Sure, a minority of people, such as asexuals or those sworn to celibacy, don't seek sex in relationships. This is not a situation where one or a few counterexamples disproves the point. It's not a bla…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 11:35 AM
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Regarding asexuality, if an asexual's gonads are removed then they lose even more interest in relationships. It's not total because the chemistry is a little more complex than that. If sex is the drive of a relationship, why do people mourn their partners when they're gone? I don't see the connection to be able to answer your question. I didn't have sex with my grandmother but I mourned her passing. sex appeal is the leading drive of lust, lust drives attraction, attraction drives infatuation, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 10:58 AM
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False equivalency. Sex is fundamental to relationships. Money is fundamental to prostitution.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 10:26 AM
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prostitute (n) One who has sex for money.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 10:25 AM
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Well without money it’s a free use. At least she gets something in return It's still prostitution.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 10:24 AM
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I said some men are only in a relationship for the sex. You equated it to women in relationships for material support. It's a false equivalency. Sex is basic to relationships; material support in relationships outside of certain boundaries like providing for the mother caring for one's children is prostitution. I didn't say Celibate. I didn't say you did. I said some men are only in a relationship for the sex. That is true; I would say most, not some, men see relationships as sexual subscription…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 10:21 AM
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but the goal for most people in a relationship is not to get off to eachother, it's the connection and trust and bond The bond requires sex. Sex is behind the entire drive to be in relationships. Have your ovaries removed and you won't care much about relationships. Dead bedrooms spoil relationships. if you can call sex a need Yes, it's a need.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 10:04 AM
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There is no such thing as "using" for consensual sex. Sex is fundamentally part of relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 10:01 AM
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Some men don't actually want a girlfriend or partner or relationship, some want sex and/or a maid and/or a mother. Sex is fundamentally part of a "girlfriend or partner or relationship". Girls who wish to stay celibate are romantic deadweight.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 09:58 AM
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Did the non-working spouse homeschool the children? If not then only time before they were in school counts with maybe a little for the extra time for before and after school - that's all assuming that there was no maid or nanny and the children weren't expected to perform housework as they aged.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 03:30 AM
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Young people are not adopting the ideology of their parents as much anymore. The Internet exposes people to other ideas.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 12:46 AM
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Me being obese isn’t irrelevant to our discussion. I didn't claim otherwise. Your mass, gender, race, and SA survivorship status is irrelevant to me considering your arguments. I’m allowed to want to feel desired and wanted just like you. No doubt. Now I just go for men that have a preference for women who look like me. It’s a much smaller pool. Previously, I thought you were a female incel who felt invisible. I'm glad to know that's not the case. And the things they find beautiful about me used…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 12:17 AM
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I've seen a number of men on conservative forums advocating repeal of the 19th Amendment, barring women from certain professions, a nationwide abortion ban with the death penalty, and very rarely forced impregnation in discussions of declining birthrates. One described women as "our incubators" in the fight against a perceived "demographic suicide". I suspect most far-right politicians think this way they just don't share it out loud. So liberal values include preserving women's political power,…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 11:18 PM
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So do you believe that obese women should just let anybody fuck them because they are only masturbatory aids. That's entirely up to them and their libido. Many obese women prefer fleeting sexual release over celibacy. There's no one size fits all answer. No human value. A walking fleshlight? How are you describing human value? Despite the romantic ceremony to divert from reality, for the vast majority of men, relationships are equivalent to sexual subscriptions. Sans sex most men will live singl…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 11:05 PM
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If obese women are so unattractive and have “zero value” then why would they be good sexually but not romantically? Firstly, at no point did I say "zero value". You're falsely quoting me. I'll be honest with you: obese women are useful to men in lieu of masturbation. However it's just a temporary fix until a more desirable lover is unavailable, not something to subscribe to in the form of a relationship. You don’t want to fuck the fat chick but she’s good at taking care of the home bs. So a dead…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 05:01 PM
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Just be an adult that can pay your bills. I didn't say "can pay your bills" I said broke. You have a standard. The problem is if you have enough to offer to get someone else to agree to it. The value proposition for obese women with any demand is difficult. We are supposed to be so pathetic that we should be used as holes because there’s nothing more to us. Since obesity is a relationship but not sexual deal breaker for so many men then, for relationship purposes, that's fairly accurate although…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 03:42 PM
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OP is not using a woman who is single by conscious choice as his example Because he's demonstrating invisible women. Women single by choice probably aren't invisible.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 02:30 PM
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Being obese isn’t choosing to be single. And yet she is single and doesn't want to be. Why might that be? Irrelevant. It's entirely relevant. She's single, doesn't want to be, it's not a choice. WHY is she single? The answer is almost always, demanding more than something is worth. Market a 1974 Pinto for $10000 -> sits in yard with a tree growing in it Short, broke, obnoxious guy demands a supermodel -> incel An obese woman demands commitment from men with certain height, social proof and incom…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 01:48 PM
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Initiating divorce and being at fault in divorce are independent of each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 01:03 PM
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That just restates the problem. Why didn't she have suitors?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 01:00 PM
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Take a tour of Thailand, Vietnam, and Phillipines. You will have no trouble at all. Just don't give them money except basic support for a live-in gf.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 11:42 AM
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Obese women aren't sexually invisible, they are often slam pigs, but have trouble finding relationships. Broke, short men are sexually and relationally invisible even to obese women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 11:34 AM
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It's called a hypothesis. Do you have a better one?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 11:25 AM
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Virgins almost always hurt regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 03:35 AM
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Yes if they have realistic expectations and willing to lower their standards. Short, ugly, annoying, broke men will wife big women up but such men still remain mostly invisible. This person was an MD and probably had expectations about status and income that her desirability couldn't support.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 03:30 AM
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OP revealed in a comment that she was very obese her whole life. So, she did choose to be single.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 11:13 PM
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I don't. Taking virginity is not a pleasant experience. I'd rather let some other dude deal with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 11:43 PM
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Well if you're aorgasmic or he lacks skill then yeah you wouldn't connect emotionally. I don't know how long you've been married or if your husband is similar but one party not enjoying sex is usually a warning sign of later marital catastrophe.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 11:14 PM
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I think clitoral often feels more pleasurable, but not as relieving if that makes sense. I think you mean it's like eating junk food vs a nutrious meal. PIV is less intense but gives you more thorough satisfaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 11:11 PM
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It was a specific quote that didn't require context. You keep ignoring that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 01:19 AM
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The comments above the screenshot I posted were no longer relevant. CelicinusGhost quoted a part that didn't require context. You misrepresented his position after that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 01:16 AM
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https://preview.redd.it/ldxv11llvt8g1.jpeg?width=660&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eab5c2545129c72f8cde1c2742f19958d93fa904 I think you should. CelicinusGhost specifically referred to the statement "How dicks lower her value" is not homophobic. At that point whatever else the man you spoke to said became irrelevant. Your reply to him implicitly equated dicks lowering value to obsession over and disgust of dicks. At that point you misrepresented his position.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 10:01 PM
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No, again, I wasn't correcting you on what you said about the guy you talked to.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 09:54 PM
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It's quite obvious what CelinusGhost said. He wrote it out (I'm assuming male). I'm not talking about the guy you talked to.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 09:50 PM
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<image> How many men would write a list like this? It may be extreme but still within the mindset of most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 09:43 PM
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Why are you correcting me on repeating something another man said?? Because you're misrepresenting it. So basically a woman is all good an desirable. Then she experiences a dick, and suddenly she loses value. And against and again. Seems like a dick and everything it touches is the common denominator. Not everything it touches, just vaginal penetration. So men are disgusted by dicks so much that they are disgusted with woman by proxy. That's a non-sequitur. It's the promiscuity that's the issue.…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 09:29 PM
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It's disgust by women experiencing lots of dicks in them not by dicks themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 09:01 PM
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But if men fk every girl then there are going to be many whores that are around. The ratio of pure women will be less if men are actually fking around women. ( which we know is not happening) I'm not denying that. It's just another resource dynamic at play. There's a conflict between individual and global optimization. Northern Snakeheads tend to consume all fish then they starve to death. Our male ancestors would invade neighboring tribes for presumed virgins to take as wives. Regardless of the…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 07:14 PM
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I don't know if she is or not until talking to her. If she has a cute pic I'll at least say hi. Also, people lie on their profiles.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 06:55 PM
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Ok that's fair. If a woman has a detailed profile I'm happy to spend time writing a good intro.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 06:51 PM
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You said men swipe right for validation and the comments demonstrate it. The one comment I saw said men match, not swipe right, for validation, and it's only low value men who do it, not men in general as you say. The rest of my comment stands on its own.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 06:48 PM
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Why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 06:44 PM
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I'm not bothering to reply when you just spin narratives and accusations based on your feelies absent of evidence. I will say this much: I get the impression you're a prostitute and you're engaging in mental gymnastics to avoid the term. Answer these questions if you want to continue this discussion: did you ever accept payment for sex? did you date a guy because he was loaded? did you or would you dump a guy who hits long term financial trouble? If you don't answer these questions specifically,…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 06:42 PM
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What difference does it make that they're not exactly the same? It's not even a comparison. I'm not critisizing you for taking safety precautions either. However you can avoid your fears by staying in public. Men can't, we can be minding our business and still get accused. You seem to think that your fear of murder should make men want to risk walking the vicious women minefield. One has nothing to do with the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 06:17 PM
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Most profiles are blank.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 06:10 PM
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No it's men fearing long prison sentences over false allegations, job loss, and ostracism.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 06:03 PM
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The bear thing was a terminally online instance of poor rhetoric that many women didn’t like or agree with, and now we as an entire gender are defined by it because men routinely take the vocal minority and listen to it over the vast majority. It only takes the vicious ultra minority to ruin the experience. If the odds of encountering women that will result in criminal charges, job loss , getting posted on SM, etc. are even .01% (in reality it's far higher) then I'm out. It's not worth it. Maybe…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 03:57 PM
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The first and last one were not my burden of proof. "I use coffee dates only" is a fact. You don't seem to understand basic argumentation.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 03:19 PM
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You definitely need my help, you are beyond help. Seems like something is troubling you and eating you from inside I'm just rationally discussing male strategy on match sites. I never even revealed my strategy. Along the fact that you HATE CELIBATES so much when replying me I hate celibates on dating sites who reveal on the 2nd or 3rd date they never want sex. I waste my time and money. , but in another reply you said that men don't like whores and they will marry angels. God the fantasies you h…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 10:03 AM
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I addressed facts when required. The others weren't my burden of proof.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 09:45 AM
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If that works for you great. I find it isn't worth writing a personalized message until I know some basics about her. It's too time consuming for the quality response rate. I could be writing to a prostitute.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 09:44 AM
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The comment I saw qualified it: "this mostly applies to the really unsuccessful and lonely types" and referred to matches. It didn't address swipe strategy "This thread is about things men can do to encourage more women to use apps" No it's not. "yet here you are just attacking the character of all women." No I'm not.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 09:41 AM
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Bro you get the feeling I don't use dating apps? Not the feeling that MOST women don't use dating apps because there are like 90 percent men and 10 percent women in there and even then there are OF BOTS. OKAYYY One does not imply the other. .> Lol men as a means of entertainment, what a joke. Thanks for entertaining me I guess, maybe I gained or stole some "value" from you Also easy step just send a text, 50/50 on dinner tonight. Doesn't respond then bye No I just meet them for coffee, not dinne…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 09:27 AM
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You do know men also might respond to texts however not really like the person irl? Yes. What is your point? IRL is completely off topic. And why would women spend all of their live wasting on matches are not going to potentially go anywhere? I never said they should. Also crazy how men need to spread their seed so much but hate sluts and what not. That's why women are picky No, women are picky regardless of that. It's just one item on their lists of contradictory and encyclopedic dealbreakers. …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 09:11 AM
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Except women are less likely to. Because 1) they don't gain anything from men these days, they can earn their own money Women still want expensive meals and entertainment out of their means. 2) Prostitutes literally operate in brothels. I get offers of sex for money daily. 3) You think friendzone happens in apps? The hell! Absolutely. "I'm just looking for friends." It happens all the time. 4) Y'all hate celibates but also don't take the girl seriously if she puts out on the first date because t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 09:00 AM
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What's your point? These dealbreakers are almost never divulged in profiles.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 08:33 AM
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That's when there's a full conversation going and isn't really part of the topic. It works both ways. Women can waste men's time in conversations just as easily as men can waste women's time: prostitutes, foodies, golddiggers, friendzoners, scamgirls, friends firsters, celibates, and other dating app excrement.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 07:27 AM
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It doesn't take every single woman, it just takes one, and apps remove the risk almost entirely. And similar did happen to me. Long story short, I went to a Meetup party, spoke to one woman for less than a minute with no sexual suggestion, she suddenly flipped out, she got her buddies who I never spoke to to say I was sexually harassing them, they did a background check on my girlfriend and slandered her online because she had been divorced 3 times, harassed her employer, and harassed myself and…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 06:04 AM
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Because the vast majority of the matches for men are just looking for validation via matches or are prostitutes, foodies, goldiggers, and other time wasters.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 05:47 AM
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Every place men go nowadays where women are present men face risks: accusations of being a creep based on arbitrary standards of icks outing on social media for something arbitrary false rape accusations stealing women's reflected photons There's abundant videos of women recording men for innocuous acts such as looking like a creep but the man was unaware of her existence; he spent a month in jail on a false rape charges sitting on a chair a row away at an airport, facing the opposite direction …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 05:44 AM
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I don't necessarily disagree but network effects and monetization resist replacing with something better. The apps are ad servers, they're designed to get just enough attention to keep interest while keeping users on platform to see ads. Traditional avenues to meet others of the opposite sex have become hostile to men. So, apps it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 05:24 AM
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And women's pickiness discourages men from investing time on filtering. Again, just ignore matches, go by messages. As this other commenter wrote, using the female strategy ensures no matches with reasonable use of time. Women stand a good chance of getting a match on any right swipe. Men don't, but you want men to spend time reading tons of profiles that will never see his profile to match, let alone right swipe him. The male post-match filtering strategy is a natural response to the outweighed…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 05:19 AM
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I already told you: women filter pre-match, men filter post-match. It parallels each gender's natural mating strategy: males seek to impregnate as many females as possible because their reproductive cells are mass produced and require no investment while females only have one reproductive cell available and invest in pregnancy so they seek quality over quantity.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 05:05 AM
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What do you expect men to do? Spend 20x more time per profile for a 1% response rate? It's not worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 04:52 AM
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I'm not sure why it makes a difference to you. Just don't initiate conversation or do a quick hi. BTW it's similar for straight men. Even among those of us who get plenty of matches, only 20% or so reply, even fewer last beyond the first message, and most of those are prostitutes, scammers, gay men, foodies, golddiggers, and other time wasters. Don't blame this on men, the problem is the apps are structured for engagement not results. Apps that allow matchless direct messaging fare better but th…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 04:10 AM
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The OP misunderstands the way most men use these apps. Since the likelihood of getting a match is so low for most men and there's no guarantee profiles are even active it's more efficient for them to do post-match filtering. They swipe right on everyone without looking then unmatch the matches they're not interested in. A second category swipes left or right without reading profiles then does the same, unmatching those they're not interested in after reading profiles. Reading profiles requires w…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 03:53 AM
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When she only wants virtual contact plus absolute loyalty that's way beyond asexuality. Normal asexuals still crave social contact and maybe even physical contact just nothing involving genitals. They are also usually not rigid about it, an asexual female will often allow some penetration to keep their partner happy. Asexual men might try but have erectile problems. Asexuality doesn't imply sexual repulsion. This girl was extreme. No sexual contact, no physical contact, no in-person contact plus…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 03:16 AM
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I didn't fully describe the autistic symptoms. It was like watching an early chatbot maxed for output talking to itself. No self awareness, monotonic speech, incapable of talking about feelings, not picking up on social queues, no body language except repetitive motion. I think she was autistic then a personality disorder layered on top of it to account for her extreme rigidity, not wanting in-person social contact, and complete disregard for what her partner wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 03:06 AM
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I met an autistic woman for coffee once. She was mildly cute but spent 15 minutes talking about minutae of her coffee cup then asked me to be her boyfriend. Turns out, she wants a "boyfriend" who she never meets again in person - only virtually - but he must still not have sex with anyone else. She wanted to die a virgin but still expects sexual loyalty. Needless to say I left her sitting.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 09:08 PM
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Assuming my age and saying my view is based on immaturity is an attack. Spare me the diversion.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 02:41 AM
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If you say so. Your model doesn't work so you attack me personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 11:43 PM
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You changed the topic from sex with each other to loving each other. Regardless, I'm likely older than you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 07:19 PM
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Do I tell them? No. Is it obvious? Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 07:09 PM
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Nah it's still going without.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 12:39 PM
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Read the body: "sexually excites them". Regardless, change to dating vs. no dating, it makes no difference
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 11:52 AM
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Men aren't interested in sex toys much because they produce superficial orgasms with thin, low volume ejaculate. It's like eating potato chips as a meal. Females get more satisfaction from autoeroticism than men because the clitoris is relatively easy to stimulate. No sex toy today provides anywhere near the sensation of real vaginas. That will likely change soon when artificial vaginas can form the perfect shape and consistency and provide a better experience than real vaginas. Sensors can even…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 11:50 AM
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The topic is having sex vs. sex starvation.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 11:38 AM
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Make marriage visas trivial to obtain for reproductive age women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 09:06 AM
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The analogy fails because pizza has high substitutability. It would be more accurate to compare food in general. If the food supply were cut off I have no doubt you'd be rightfully raising hell.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 09:03 AM
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The problem is well over half the population of men and women can't sexually excite anyone except others in the same category who only act in desperation and will be thinking of someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 08:59 AM
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Once robots have realistic vaginas that dynamically adapt to optimize for penis size and shape then it's likely all over.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 04:53 AM
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It is absolutely relevant that their candidate was so weak on economics and immigration, which both affect young men so much (immigrants plus down wages on male-dominated labor jobs like construction). Immigrants are scapegoats that the Republicans use effectively to blame helpless parties for social problems. This argument is asinine. It is truly bizarre you think the actual candidates and their positions don’t matter. Are you supporting Trump? You did, however, make the claim that it’s incels,…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 04:36 AM
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He was mostly elected by old people, actually. And Christians, who somehow love a man who is the least like Jesus of just about anyone. Those were his primary voting block but it was disaffected incels, MGTOWs, etc. that took him over the top. We also might have had a president democrats actually wanted, if Biden hadn’t held out to the last minute then selected a weak candidate instead of letting a democratic process actually select a better candidate. And we also might have had president not-Tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 04:45 AM
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.> You know perfectly well that older men can be drafted (they are the primary ones drafted in Ukraine right now, actually, not young men). No they just don't draft very young men, unlike the USA where past age 26 aren't draftable. .> Donald was not elected because women aren’t offering themselves up as girlfriends to lonely men. Donald Trump was elected because of lonely single men. Without that demographic we would be saying President Harris. Trump only won by 2 points but Harris would probabl…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 12:22 AM
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Gosh, if only they could have prevented this somehow. Yeah but it's immaterial now. .> Give them more porn and videogames. EZ. That's adding fuel to the fire.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 08:16 AM
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You're personalizing this to me. I'm only saying that nations with excess unattached young men become militant and it's a growing problem in the USA. I'm too old to be drafted and I'm not desperate for female companionship. I also didn't say that women need to do anything like give sex. I'm unsure why you're flipping out.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 03:20 AM
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As unsavory as the conclusion is the OP does have a point. Societies with excess young men become militant. It's happening in China right now. Historically the "solution" was to invade neighboring tribes, kill all males and older women, and take the young women. You can say it's anti-values or whatever but the collective testosterone of a growing body of disaffected young men with political power cannot be ignored indefinitely. It's already manifest in the election of Donald Trump. If we don't d…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 02:15 AM
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Yes as long as all the physical and dangerous work gets done... By men...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 11:50 AM
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That goes without saying. Womens' icks are arbitrary and endless so not worth discussion. Enraged older women are another ballgame.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 09:32 PM
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Not necessarily. I'm claiming that men have almost no opportunity to choose better when falsely accused of SA because the false accusations almost never occur with someone they're in relationships with. The boss babe at work resentful she was passed for promotion in favor of a guy, the lady in the parking lot who thought a random dude looked creepy, the schoolgirl who flunked an exam, the rejected girl livid that the object of her affection's new girlfriend is a hottie, the gym gal furious a dud…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 08:40 PM
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Most of the time victims of false rape accusations aren't dating their accusers and may even be strangers. In this example, a man was jailed for a month because the woman, whom he never saw, didn't like how he looked. https://www.buckscounty.gov/CivicAlerts.aspx?AID=1257
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 03:55 AM
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No; the topic was n-count, I replied to a different question there, why n-count matters in response to your diversion.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 07:02 PM
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No, it was the original topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 01:41 AM
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Ok but the issue is n-count.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 10:06 AM
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You nearly contradict yourself: There is, both men and women see sex as dirtying to women and lowering her value. It’s the relationship that counts. You can't have it both ways. Monogamy can still easily explode n-count.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 09:51 PM
1

So if you're monogamous with different dudes a year then you just added 12 to your n-count.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 05:27 PM
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Non-sequitur. Also the point is that monogamy doesn't provide the protection you claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 02:29 PM
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It still racks up your n-count so it makes little difference. Serial monogamy is a gimmick like temporary marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 02:24 PM
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I can't argue that. ;
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 05:43 AM
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It entirely matters. Monogamy doesn't achieve your goal.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 02:32 AM
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Well... some men and women do, I'll grant you that. That said, monogamy is only a certain time period so it makes little difference in the long run. It only means that lovers were not interleaved between dates X and Y but says nothing about N-count.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 11:22 PM
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Yes, a relationship provides the woman a foundation to extract men's resources. There is also no exploitation in most cases of consensual sex if the woman doesn't get pregnant. There's no lasting effect, unlike resource extraction that permanently affects men's wealth.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 10:54 PM
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Something else to think about: male sexual desire is highly dependent on his stored semen supply. The more full it is, the more pressure there is for release and the stronger the sexual desire. Masturbation releases a far lower volume of semen than coitus does so it produces orgasms that feel shallow and unsatisfying. I think, but I don't know, it's because the vagina is designed to maximize penile nerve stimulation. A hand just can't do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 10:49 PM
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No, women use sex to exploit men to extract resources. If you're asexual then only date asexuals. There is no such thing as sexual exploitation between consenting adults.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 10:34 PM
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I mean that the ejaculation and orgasm, together, are both very different between masturbation and coitus, not that they're independent of each other. The male ejaculation and orgasm experience of masturbation is completely different than the coital experience. Masturbation feels shallow and just removes the immediate need. It's partially just pressure relief like urination after holding it in. It's not really satisfying. Actual coitus releases a different semen composition in higher volumes and…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 10:29 PM
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men don't realize they are not sexually attractive to the woman You're referring to women's impossible standards that men complain about. Women complain about men objectifying women when women objectifying men is an order of magnitude worse. she wants to continue to be with you platonically No deal. I won't tolerate friend zoning. Cut off the parasites.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 10:18 PM
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Well without love it won't help to satisfy better anyway to be promiscous pig. Yes it will. Not as much as love usually (because it's mostly about attraction not love) but sex is almost always more satisfying than hands. The exception is if there is a complete lack of attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 09:05 PM
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That is factually not true. The orgasm and ejaculation are completely different. It's like eating poorly flavored junk food vs a proper delicious meal. Hands provide a quick, short-lasting relief but not real satisfaction even compared to emotionless sex. The chemical composition of the ejaculate is even different and far lower volume.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 09:01 PM
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And the biological purpose of gender attraction was achieved. Not so with gender based resource extraction. Consensual sex is always fair game. Resource extraction is just roundabout prostitution.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 08:52 PM
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Yeah nah it doesn't work. Without sex drive there is no relationship. Resource extraction has nothing to do with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 08:49 PM
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The manliest man occupation is being an elite combat soldier, certainly not agriculture.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 08:27 PM
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Men wouldn't be dating if not for their promiscuity. Sex is the ultimate reason most men date and without it dating isn't worthwhile. This isn't necessarily a bad thing. It's necessary to tame testosterone bloodlust. Societies with an excess of males tend to become conservative and go to warm Individual sexless males tend towards rape and violence. Incels are a prime example.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 06:41 PM
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There's nothing exploitative about it. Western men provide a better alternative.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 04:20 PM
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Because, among other reasons, the men raised in that environment treat women terribly so the local women seek foreign men who typically treat them better.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 04:18 PM
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most “passport bros” are the creepy predators that go after children in Thailand That is flat out false
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 04:16 PM
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Women absolutely want sex as much as men. No. Far more women get little or no pleasure from sex than men do. I've seen many women claim to hate sex. I can never recall a man saying that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 10:23 AM
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Until one woman claims victimization. Then you lose the entire social circle.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 12:03 AM
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Actually it's not, only if there is ambiguity by a body not being found. In cases of rape it's often questionable if penetration occured or if consent existed.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 01:24 AM
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I'd say refusing sex for longer than one week, barring physical health related issues, physical separation both parties did not agree to, or involuntary separation such court orders, kidnapping, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 12:59 AM
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ChatGPT explains it: The phrases "could care less" and "could not care less" are often used interchangeably in casual speech, but they technically mean different things. "Could care less": This implies that the person has some level of care, as it suggests that it is possible for them to care less than they currently do. However, in American English, it is often used idiomatically to mean the same thing as "could not care less." "Could not care less": This phrase means that the person has no car…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 09:17 AM
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Maybe you misunderstood. I DON'T CARE if you're creeped out. You don't get to dictate others' behavior. The world doesn't revolve around you and whatever silliness you arbitrarily decide is creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 12:51 AM
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The key is to quit the Western dating market. The Eastern and Latino dating offers far greater prospects. But to answer your question, can you ignore a feeling that simultaneously feels like both starvation and needing to pee? Sex depression is a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 11:32 PM
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Now you're violating the principles of posting a CMV. Get lost.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 10:55 PM
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I could care less if you're creeped out. You don't get to dictate other's actions based on your arbitrary feeling of creepiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 03:45 PM
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Tough cookies. Your creep feeling is irrelevant. If you don't like it then don't make yourself visible from a public area. If someone is in a public area they can look and even record all they want and there's not a damn thing you can do about it except perhaps record them and blast them on social media. They probably won't know or care if they did know.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 02:18 PM
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and not have to experience creeps or harassment No outfit could possibly justify cat-calling or staring If you're in the USA, you're welcome to start a drive for the Constitutional amendment necessary to truly curtail this behavior. The photons that reflect off of you don't belong to you and you are not entitled to control the sound waves that reach you. You are also not entitled to not be approached when you're in public. Harassment is a different issue but is limited mostly to touching, impedi…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 10:32 AM
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Also different from a single mom demanding a high-value provider type.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 12:28 AM
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I just made a comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 06:41 AM
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"Believe women!" "False rape accusations don't happen!" "Testimony is enough for rape conviction!" "A creepy man is guilty for being visible!"
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 06:40 AM
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If this is in the USA then she has no hope. Muslims are less than 1% of the population but Muslim men are extremely intolerant of modernized women.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen18/04/24 08:51 AM
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You're partly there but still miss the point. The higher your perceived self-worth (based on factors which are irrelevant and two are extremely counterproductive to men: gaining weight or having children), the higher your standards subconsciously go. The problem isn't men looking for low quality, it's that 1) you're always seeking a higher quality man than your value dictates and 2) you completely misunderstand what men want. You have a bachelor's degree, you expect a doctorate. You make $50k, y…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen18/04/24 01:53 AM
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It's nowhere near over for you, girl. Fat, bald, broke dudes in their 60s equal to your marriage market value who would happily wife you up are abundant. But, they are as invisible to you now as "boring" guys your own age when you were in your 20s who you treated like cobblestones who were also equal to you in MMV. Instead, you married a man who temporarily equaled your MMV because he hadn't crossed the finish line yet. Now he has and there's an abundance of higher MMV girls waiting at the finis…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen31/03/24 12:02 AM
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Bangalore not Bangkok 🙃
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen30/03/24 12:53 PM
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Seems he is not at all confused but rather doing EXACTLY what he should be doing. If anything he should file a complaint against her for touching his thigh.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen29/03/24 10:02 PM
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But women rejecting men for being short or broke is "standards", not "insecurity".
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen29/03/24 01:24 PM
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It's only a sample of one, but the one woman I met who was almost certainly autistic (she spent 10 minutes obsessing over the lip over her coffee cup) was deathly terrified of physical intimacy and ultimately admitted she wanted a virtual-only boyfriend who still promised to never have sex with anyone else. She was a 33-year-old virgin. She said texting could provide all the emotional connection she requires. I couldn't get out of the coffee shop fast enough and unmatched immediately. She was cu…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 12:34 AM
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Blue pill rejects the friendzone concept.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 05:12 PM
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Are you seriously equating being sexless with being raped? Seriously? No, I'm providing examples where one could say correlation != causation. But, I get it. You special plead for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/24 01:44 AM
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Remember that the next time you read that raped women are at greater risk of suicide, that women make less money than men because of patriarchy, or that men are usually at fault when women seek divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/24 01:19 AM
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No man ever died from a lack of sex. Sexless men are at much greater risk of suicide.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/24 10:25 PM
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Most of that maximum female benefit is resource extraction maximization.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/24 09:09 PM
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FDS is literally about women maximizing resource extraction from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/24 01:29 PM
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Not in the room equals behind their backs. Knowing them personally is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/24 08:18 AM
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Yes, and most women want that, even if they say otherwise. Thus the attraction to dark triad and bad boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/24 07:58 AM
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So it's ok to joke about public figures behind their backs but not to their faces?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/24 07:55 AM
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Actually FDS doesn't work at all. The men who it could work on are judged as low value. High value men cheat on FDS women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/24 06:57 AM
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Female PUA = FDS (although PUA and FDS hate each other) Female simps, cucks, betas = pickmes PUA and FDS are similar in maximizing the strategic sexual interests for their gender but their interests directly conflict. PUA seeks maximum sexual encounters with many high sexual market value females while FDS seeks maximum resource extracation from a single high marriage market value male.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/24 06:46 AM
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Including public figures?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/24 05:01 AM
1

The material purpose of marriage is to commit to someone you love. It implies no financial obligations.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/24 05:03 AM
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What's the purpose of a secret bank account? If the spouse isn't listed on it then they can't access it. The only issue I see is coercion. If nobody knows about the bank account then if the owner dies the assets might eventually end up in a lost fund account and be expropriated by the state. Even if there is a beneficiary listed, the bank may not know the account owner died.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/24 03:46 AM
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The whole purpose of a marriage is financial entanglement and splitting everything 50/50. That's an absurd statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/24 03:40 AM
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They're on dating sites where I meet them... and fuck them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/24 06:44 PM
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You don't make the case for"pathetic" but ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 08:04 AM
3

Winning the genetic lottery isn't work.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 07:10 AM
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I live in SEA almost entirely for women although the low cost of living is a huge bonus. It's the best thing I've ever done.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 05:03 AM
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Why pathetic?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 05:01 AM
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Yes that's the issue. Men don't complain about high standards necessarily but rather standards that lead to problems or are absurdly specific.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 04:47 AM
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The first hurdle is the amount of bullshit, hoops, and resistance before sex. If no sex by the third date she's gone. Prove sexual productivity to know she's not a time-and-money-wasting foodie, friendzoner, gold digger, scam girl, prostitute, or other riff-raff or pond scum.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 04:44 AM
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I bowed out and became a passport bro to be where age is just a number.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 12:27 AM
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In my 20s I was attracted to women in their 40s. In my 40s I lost that attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 12:15 AM
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The good men I know are repelled by women that young. In other words, "the extremely biased sample I used based on arbitrary criteria." Your criteria of a "good man" includes rejecting age gaps.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 09:53 PM
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those ugly men are just as likely to cheat Usually not, if their current partner remains the best option. They do everything they can to keep a woman out of their league. You can infer whatever you wish about my situation, it makes no difference. men just have low quality sperm left in their saggy balls that makes them think they can still complete with virile young men lol Strange, when I date attractive women much younger than me they say it's because younger guys blow too quickly and act like…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 07:14 AM
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That is the difference between a woman's sexual market value and her relationship market value. Guys love to fuck the neurotic and antisocial hot woman but won't wife her up. She's destined to be a bitter cat lady unless she lowers her standards enough. Of course, she won't acknowledge, let alone adjust expectations for, her insanity. She still thinks she deserves a high value man.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 06:19 AM
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I know what 30yo women want. They can have it but with a greater likelihood of infidelity as they prune out. The women thinking they can have it all become whining cat ladies later. Yes, men of all calibers will cheat, IF they're with women of similar MV or less. Since that tends to happen by default eventually, the men explore their options. A man dating a woman out of his league will tend towards steadfastness. In 25 years they usually end up in the same league because of accelerated female de…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 11:31 PM
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No, the reality that men don't depreciate like women do and the more options men have then the more likely they are to cheat.The solution is to consider long term market value. Women who don't think long term tend to be in the first wives club.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 04:02 PM
2

Yes, it was whining about the reality of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 02:01 PM
2

Oh you're right. The commenter who started this thread was whining.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 01:40 PM
1

Spin female deprecation then whine about male loyalty...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 01:16 PM
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Women can get equals at the same age at the risk of lower loyalty. It's a tradeoff.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 12:00 PM
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A 7 30yo M in 25 years will be an 8 to same age women and a 5 to women 25 years younger. A 7 30yo F in 25 years will be a 4 to same age men and a 3 to men 25 years younger. smart way to get unattractive man attractive gfs It's the loyalty tax women pay.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 11:15 AM
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That's the problem in the USA. And why passport bros exist. Asian women are wise.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 05:07 AM
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That's the result of female hypergamy. Men appreciate, women depreciate. If you want loyalty, commit to a man who will have the same SMV as you in 25 years. If you're a 30yo 7, marry a 30yo 4 or a 40yo 5. Unfortunately for women, attraction to a man and long-term loyalty from him are at odds. The more attractive a man is, the more options he has, and the less likely he is to value loyalty.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 01:58 AM
3

I see conservative men complaining far more than liberal women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/24 01:30 AM
0

Driving a Toyota Prius vs a Ford F-250 speaks volumes.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/24 01:20 AM
2

So are you advocating using older women as practice?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/24 09:50 PM
2

Move to Phillipines or Thailand.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/24 04:24 AM
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I see your point.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 08:18 AM
1

A man can generally have immediate sex with women three ranks below himself. 7 men can have immediate sex with 4 women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 05:59 AM
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A man can generally have immediate sex with women three ranks below himself. 7 men can have immediate sex with 4 women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 03:54 AM
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I don't see what the problem is.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 10:35 PM
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you never hear any "bros" talking about India or Africa or China. Actually you do, all the time, if you participate. I can't recite the issues with India and Africa without risking a racism ban (even if I'm just the messenger) but the problem with Chinese women is that they're in such sort supply that their standards are through the stratosohere. They practically demand audited financial statements just to grace a man's presence for a cup of coffee. Passport bros go to Thailand, Vietnam, and the…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 10:28 PM
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You're right. They fuck the guys who refuse to date the massive landwhales with militant personalities and encyclopedic lists of dealbreakers who form the vast majority of so-called "women" back home.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 10:15 PM
3

The reason is that the technology isn't even close to ready. We don't have a material that can pass for human skin.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 05:27 AM
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Women aren't really offering that anymore, so this is an imperfect substitute.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 05:25 AM
3

But you ladies also tell men to just masturbate and leave women alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 05:23 AM
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The typical American rejects content depicting Trump won 2020 (already made and laughed at in 2000 Mules) creationism (already made and laughed at in Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed) climate change is bunk Jan 6 goons were just proud patriots manipulated by the FBI, CIA, BLM, and Antifa other batcrap crazy insane paranoid conspiracy theories Hollywood produces what's in demand. Both in the 1950s and 1980s Hollywood's content was much more conservative.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 11:00 AM
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bitches about age gap relationships bitches about passport bros thinks male standards are misogynistic encyclopedic list of petty dealbreakers "mansplaining!" evidence of silly screening demanding expensive dates "the bar is on the floor!" FDS thinking
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 10:32 AM
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Yes, you upgraded. Again, that changes nothing. You possibly did an alpha fux-beta bux but there's not enough information.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 10:15 AM
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A man with good earning potential lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 10:08 AM
2

Yet you saw the income potential in him.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 10:06 AM
2

Yet the guy that was shitty to you was broke and the guy who treats you well is high income.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 10:02 AM
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Not at all. Your self delusion is quite obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 09:49 AM
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That doesn't change anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 09:42 AM
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Yet the warehouse guy earned far less than the cyber security guy who probably pays for your dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 09:37 AM
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I was on several asking that but I never used a SD site. It's been awhile though so I don't remember which ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 09:34 AM
1

Dating profiles ask for salary ranges on some sites.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 09:32 AM
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Yet the second guy who you are happy with also has a much higher income. The point didn't go over my head but rather you're deluding yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 09:31 AM
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In other words, higher income.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 09:11 AM
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Have a man go one rank down on income in his dating profile and watch how many fewer matches he gets.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 09:09 AM
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They won't come to terms with it, they'll just become belligerent radfems.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 09:07 AM
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Is it really out of the realm of possibility that they fake some or most of these stories? I don't think so. Mostly yes, because news organizations check on themselves and each other. Fact checker organizations also exist. There's strong corrective action at work. Your argument is similar to climate and evolution deniers who ignore the effects of researchers checking on each other and replcating results. If a news outlet publishes a suspicious story, other news organizations investigate. They lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 04:28 PM
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Bad news sells. That's always been true. If there's good news it's usually deemed propaganda by the paranoid. That doesn't mean it's a concerted effort by global elites to sell unhappiness products. Happy people produce and consume more.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 02:45 PM
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Go to Asia
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 02:39 PM
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You're paranoid
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 02:36 PM
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Lol isolate only male height, weight and wealth and compare the dating success of the two groups. There will be enormous difference. You're delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 02:35 PM
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I put up with bullshit from very attractive women I won't tolerate from lesser women. Women below 6 are sexually invisible to me. For me, it works both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 09:00 PM
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Haha
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 07:52 AM
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Sex is no big deal unless you're not having it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 02:20 AM
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For the same reason women who claim to want to be chosen for personality go out dressed like sluts: advertising as a provider is a hook, resorted to because you'll do what is necessary to get needs satisfied. You actually answered your own question: it's an advertisement. Advertisements are designed to show something that satisfies a viewer's need (money, sex) with the advertiser's goal of obtaining something else (money, sex). Women advertise sex to get money, men advertise money to get sex. So…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 10:03 PM
1

Is "BPD" "bi-polar disorder" or "borderline personality disorder"? I think the latter but unsure.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 09:50 PM
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Get a vasectomy
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 05:22 AM
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The place I grew up was similar and in the Bible Belt. My family was not Christian so I had a lonely childhood.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 04:31 AM
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Approached by a guy she's not attracted to = he's a creep, she's a victim.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 04:40 AM
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Even with hobbies, dudes will get accused of doing them just to meet women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 04:31 AM
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No, I'll go on coffee dates. If she wants dinner for a first date then we won't meet.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/24 08:15 AM
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Again, I met the requirement you set.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 02:58 PM
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You asked for a link to prove it. FDS meets your requirement although it goes without needing a link.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 02:25 PM
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I consider radfems the ideological opposites of MRAs. FDS is to RP like clits are to cocks, homologous.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 02:22 PM
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You moved the goalposts.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 02:14 PM
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Lol brilliant
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 01:50 PM
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FDS
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 01:20 PM
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It's coming from a man who's been raped, as a child at that. I'd rather be raped a thousand times than lose custody of my daughter. And no, it's a metaphor, not a descriptor.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 08:05 AM
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Getting financially cleaned out and losing custody of children is worse than rape. Regardless, it's a metaphor, It's not like saying taxation is slavery.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 07:10 AM
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That's no reason to hate them though. They're infected with a mental virus.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 04:32 AM
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All the comments were women saying stuff about how they would never be a forever girlfriend and I only date to marry and shit like that. Yup, required for divorce rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 04:27 AM
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I suspect women cheat more because it's easier for them to cheat. Even ugly, old, obese women can have a guy over in a few minutes with a text message.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 12:45 AM
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You never mentioned your sex life. Men feel valued by their partners wanting sex. Men who feel devalued cheat or break up.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 12:41 AM
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Asking questions like that to find some asinine aspect in the response to twist and call the respondent a creep, abuser, misogynist, etc. Spinning what people say is a favorite feminist tactic.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 12:29 AM
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What about men who do the same? They're gay.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 10:50 PM
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It's the ideology, not the people victimized by it. I don't hate Trump supporters, they're infected by a mental virus similar to modern feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 10:49 PM
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I see. "Anyone can break up with anyone at any time." But, if it's an older man in an AGR and he initiates a breakup, then he's a predator.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 08:18 AM
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telling them as a whole That's called exercising free speech, if I understand what you mean by "as a whole" as mass communication. those who do will generally make it known. You're assuming an opt-in model from the women's perspective. That's not the way it works. It's an opt-out model. Older men have every right to make their wants known to individual women in public. There is no right to not to be approached in public. You apparently want some blanket protection to not be approached by older m…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 08:06 AM
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bUt wOmeN ArE thE TaBLe!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 07:59 AM
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I'm saying nothing of the sort. Your definition of creepy is arbitrarily "whatever you don't like" and you assume that young women automatically want nothing to do romantically with older men. Now, if the older man continues pursuing after the younger woman rejects then that's an issue, but it's not age related. That's true of any age.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 07:50 AM
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Badly? Hardly. Your value judgments are inane and irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 07:24 AM
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Sex once a month is a no-go no matter her other qualities.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 05:27 AM
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I do not agree, for heterosexual relationships where the male is older. Young women are hyper aware of using their sexuality for manipulation. I far more often see older men get cleaned out financially by hot young manipulative vixens than I see vague long term damage from young women dating older men. I'd like to know specifically how you think young women are victimized by older men. Falling in love and getting dumped doesn't count.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 04:37 AM
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You're still competing, just not on a personal basis. Every relationship you're in removes someone from the dating pool and incrementally increases that person's SMV. That's competing. Let's say you're a 7. You have strengthened the case for your partner to pursue 7+ in the future. My first gf was a 9. After her, I only pursued 8+, even if it meant I was alone sometimes. That kept my market value higher as it provided feedback ("price discovery" in market terms). Otherwise i might have underpric…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 04:28 AM
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Well you wouldn't know unless you tried dating SEA men in SEA. I'm just the messenger though, I can't defend it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 04:15 AM
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I'm not interested in any more meta discussion. If you don't want to stay on topic then I'm ignoring further discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 03:55 AM
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Loaded question
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 03:33 AM
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Ok, whatever, if you don't want to participate in the discussion and want to layman psychoanalyze motives for raising the discussion then I'm not bothering.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 03:12 AM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 02:39 AM
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Interesting perspective
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 02:39 AM
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Oh boy, here we go playing "surmise the mindset".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 02:33 AM
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Well I've seen the comments. Granted, I didn't track them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 02:31 AM
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That's true, but what does that have to do with AGRs?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 02:22 AM
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specifically asking how to alter what you provided That's not what you asked. You wanted to limit the audience.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 02:21 AM
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I didn't advocate it. I'm asking if anyone favors it. Many on this sub think AGRs should be illegal.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 02:19 AM
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The point is, this restricts those age gaps more than currently,where an 18yo can consent to an 80yo. It sounds like if you don't get exactly the change you desire you would rather keep the status quo. What I provided was just an example. It sounds like you favor something like this: 18-25 two years 26+ unlimited
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 02:17 AM
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would suggest limiting yourself to asking only people that do actually support that kind of stepped AOC That's like asking Trump supporters if they will vote for Trump. lets slip in some pedo stuff and see if they go along". I changed the minimum age to 18 because of conniptions over a minor detail.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 02:13 AM
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I originally based it on age of consent at 16 in many states and Romeo and Juliette laws but since so many had conniptions over a minor detail I changed it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 02:07 AM
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Oh for goodness sakes that's ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 02:06 AM
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But some have explicitly advocatex outlawing age gaps.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 02:03 AM
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I changed the minimum age to 18.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 02:01 AM
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Most states laws regarding teenage sex are already more restrictive than what you proposed with 15 as the starting point. No they're not. Most states have the age of consent at 16 or 17 with Romeo and Juliet exceptions. But if you object that strongly just change the minimum age to 18 or whatever. It's just a minor adjustment.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 01:59 AM
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Where is the "observable and objective" evidence? All I've seen is anecdotes.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 01:56 AM
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Just to flat out prevent large age-gap relationships? Why? Because so many women on this sub object to large age gaps and think they should be illegal. I'm making their objection concrete.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 01:55 AM
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I'm not. Most US states have an age of consent between 16 and 18 as well as Romeo and Juliet laws. Over the current situation, this proposal would restrict far more than permit. But the formula can be adjusted to start at 18, the point is the stepped AOC rather than the specifics of the calculation.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 01:52 AM
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I'm solely referring to age gap relationships not predatory relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 01:49 AM
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What's gross about it? It restricts age of consent far more than now. I thought this would be anti-gross.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 01:38 AM
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You moved the goalposts. First you wrote "objective and observable", now you write, "not bad every time".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 01:37 AM
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You didn't get this post.. like, at all. This proposal would greatly restrict age gap relationships even with minors compared to the present because of Romeo and Juliet laws and some US states have age of consent as low as 16.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 01:35 AM
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Irrelevant question. There is no observable and objective harm in legal age gap relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 01:30 AM
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It's either legal or it's not. Your personal feelings are irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 01:20 AM
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Then there's nothing to complain about. I have seen arguments for a stepped AOC, like 16yo can pair with 20yos, 18yo can pair with 24yo, 20yo can pair with 28yo. 22-30, etc. I have mixed thoughts about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 12:48 AM
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Wasn't this posted a few months ago?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 12:42 AM
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True, but it's still a market with value since people compete for the similar partner attributes. Very few women seek poor short men and very few men seek obese old women. Obese old women pursue poor short men and vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 12:40 AM
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Value is determined by the quality and quantity of romantic interest one can attract. Simple as that. The highest value women receive marriage proposals from the men that women clamor to marry. The highest value men receive offers of no-strings sex from those women. I know there's a chicken-and-egg problem in there, but it's a complex topic to work out. For women, the primary factors influencing this are Be HOT and don't be a BITCH. For men, it's Be TALL, RICH, CHARMING and don't be a PUSSY.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 12:34 AM
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My second boyfriend was Asian (I'm white) and my last was eastern European. I wouldn't characterize myself as bigoted. You're bigoted about age. Different experiences, racial background, all create interest. Common values, outlook, approach to life, education, and success are useful things in a relationship. It's not necessary to have everything in common, but commonality is helpful. It's good to be in a relationship with someone who has similar attractiveness and similar means as you to avoid i…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 12:18 AM
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Your conception of "gross" is utterly irrelevant. It's either legal or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 12:13 AM
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I'd like to hear female perspective on this.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 11:57 PM
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You're gender reversing a typical female talking point.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 11:54 PM
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Based on what I've heard dating Southeast Asian women who say age is just a number, younger guys are hotter, but younger men when compared to older men orgasm too quickly act childish look less masculine can't afford basic dates give poor advice have no interesting stories to tell spin plates
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 11:51 PM
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In other words, the truth hurts, although the hottest age is a few years after the minimum age.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 11:37 PM
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That puts her above 99% of all chicks.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 11:35 PM
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It's women who refuse to acknowledge that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 11:33 PM
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It's women who refuse to acknowledge that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 11:33 PM
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The post says younger women, not children.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 11:32 PM
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Do you want to raise the age of consent?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 11:31 PM
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Do you want to raise the age of consent?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 11:31 PM
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Just don't get married or have children. Problem solved.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 03:22 PM
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Don't compete for female affection.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 02:05 PM
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An average height white guy is tall to them. Even shorter guts can have success because the average Vietnamese height is about 4" shorter than the average white height.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 02:00 PM
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Sexual desire for men is nakedness, sexual desire for women is emptiness. Orgasm for men is local, orgasm for women is global.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 12:19 PM
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Well that's the way it works. Women get bitter after bad relationships and men don't want responsibility for kids that aren't theirs.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 12:09 PM
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It's perfectly fair to want someone as young, healthy, fit, and successful as you are. I look for partners who are similar to me in life - roughly the same age, same education level, similar finances, similar attractiveness etc. In other words, stay in your lane. No thanks. Of course it's unreasonable for women to ask their man be far richer, or better looking, or successful, than they are. Or be in shape when they are a couch potato. But they do anyway. The problem is with people who think they…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 11:47 AM
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Yes, although the impact is far less than having children.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 11:40 AM
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Yes, I get it. Women have standards, men have misogyny. Men aren't allowed to have standards. Women rejecting men for losing their provider ability, being short, or impotence is not misandry at all; that's just healthy boundaries. Women give each other high fives for that while saying "a man with a healthy mind views all people as souls" and excoriating and guilt tripping men who appreciate youthful beauty. It’s unfortunate that some men can’t find anything to like about a woman their own age an…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 07:17 AM
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You sound like you’ve had redpill conditioning lol. In what society is it the norm to dump a woman once she turns 25? You baselessly label me redpill then assume I would think it's normal to dump a 25yo. test your claim that every 20 year old girl got married off to an old man in the US in the 1800s (pre-feminism). That is NOT my claim. I’d wager most people were dating their peers from grade school and men and women were both marrying at around 16-18 I'd make a similar wager.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 05:13 AM
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False. Age gap revulsion is a modern development. You think otherwise because of Western conditioning. In SEA and many other societies uninfected by feminism age gaps are normal and natural.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 04:37 AM
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Or live in Southeast Asia like I do where age is just a number and feminist thought, including age gap revulsion, has not taken hold.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 04:33 AM
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Which doesn't imply the divorce was her fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 03:40 AM
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Non-sequitur
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 03:08 AM
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Doesn't make sense to buy an old Chevrolet unless you're committed to driving that car until it conks out and shelling out the money to fix the issues it's inevitably going to have. You still need something to drive. And yes, it does make sense to sell it before it conks out, it still has market value. Analogously for relationships, guys still need companionship, even if it's not the quality they hope for.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 11:54 PM
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Which is a reason why I get in serial LTRs. I wouldn't get married anyway because of divorce rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 11:45 PM
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Not quite. I'm not placing a scientific veneer on it. Using your standard, your radfem ideology is pseudoscience as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 11:43 PM
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Yes. Their list is subconscious.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 11:40 PM
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Ah ok we agree
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 11:40 PM
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Whenever women friendzone, they're implementing their encyclopedic list. They just don't admit it. You have one too.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 10:44 PM
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And unfortunately quite numerous, even if not explicit like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 10:26 PM
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Graduated AT LEAST a year ago. She doesn't want a recent graduate. That part is not too unreasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 10:25 PM
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I may want to own a new Ferrari but I'll rent an old Chevrolet until I can buy the Ferrari.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 10:23 PM
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FDS got banned then reborn as a mere automated posting forum, only posting links to the FDS website. I liked the old FDS, it provided endless counter-examples to militant radfems' batshit crazy insane arguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 10:15 PM
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With the exception of esoteric sexual preferences, any relationship involving a middle or lower market value partner involves settling.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 10:12 PM
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You ain't seen nuthin! <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 10:02 PM
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The list is typical. Most women just aren't explicit.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 09:58 PM
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Most women can find attractive men for sex. Committed relationships are another matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 09:47 PM
2

At least you acknowledge the dating market.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 09:44 PM
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In that context, just the fact that a woman is over 30 (post-wall) still makes her much less attractive. Even if she's aging well, for men it's like buying goods just before the expiration date. The available time to enjoy her remaining beauty is short and it's only downhill.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 09:38 PM
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Dude, you're practically next to the best source of quality women in the world, Southeast Asia. Join Pinalove, filter out the numerous fatties, buy a ticket to Manila, and revel in your masculinity. Just don't ever mention or admit you have a menu of options, they hate that. They each must think they're the only girl you're visiting. It's a different dating psychology, based on toxic monogamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 09:32 PM
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failed marriages weren’t their fault. So not all of those women are crazy Even if the divorce wasn't their fault, the divorce still makes them crazy. Frankly, I'd prefer a divorced partner who admits it's their fault, they are humbled by the experience of their bad behavior and choices instead of being bitter and jaded about the bad marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 09:24 PM
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age over 30: less attractive craziness: less attractive widowhood: less attractive advanced education: irrelevant on average health issues: less attractive family baggage: less attractive work addict: less attractive extreme religious beliefs: less attractive pickiness: less attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 09:16 PM
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You are correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 09:08 PM
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Simply put, women have no experience regulating the violent and risk-taking impulses of testosterone. It's as much of a mystery to women as the whole-body, lympahtic-level female orgasm is to men. Young males without older dominant male figures have extended neotenus periods. Women, even boss babe women, don't command the respect necessary for young males to admire and view as role models, nor the wisdom of years of dealing with testosterone imbuement. I wish I could cite it, but I've searched f…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 09:05 PM
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Facial hair appears shortly after reproductive capability commences. Its presence advertises fertility. It's certainly more accurate than rites of passage. Pubic hair is even more accurate. You seem to think I'm comparing facial hair to menarche. I'm not. I'm addressing the commenter's observations about rites of passage being necessary in males but not females.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 08:41 PM
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there are a multitude of reasons a woman can be attractive and single in her 30s You didn't identify a single one.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 08:19 PM
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Say it from the rooftops: BECOME A PASSPORT BRO. I literally, right now, have a beautiful, feminine, sweet, slender, appreciative Vietnamese woman sleeping next to me who fucked me three times yesterday, and twice she initiated. And no I'm NOT paying her. I'm about to wake her up for sex again. I felt like you from my divorce in 2013 until travelling to Vietnam in 2017. Western women are a lost cause, feminism destroyed the dating market. There's vastly superior alternatives to Western women's e…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 08:17 PM
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The ONLY way that happens is for a young male to have a strong, mature, wise male figure in his life who he admires and dominates him. Think about the implications for women having children.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 07:30 PM
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Facial hair provides a marker of fertility in males.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 07:21 PM
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Women don't emotionally mature faster than men. Men tolerate immature behavior in women but not vice-versa. Women also tend to become bitter and jaded with maturity, which is a huge turnoff for men, whereas it's usually the opposite with men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 07:14 PM
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I can't reply specifics to this without risking getting banned for racism even though I'd be citing what Asian women think. So unfortunately this discussion is over.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 07:05 PM
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Generally yes. They don't find Asian men attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 12:50 PM
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Correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 01:57 AM
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A: a few Chads, depending on her SMV. B: taking home ONS: sounds the same as A B: group sex: no straight Chads
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 01:09 AM
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The opposite. Chads will ONS average women, it's effortless and superior to masturbation for a quick nut.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 11:59 PM
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That means she settled for her marriage market value, probably a LVW. Women can always find much higher value men to fuck them than commit to them, and can always find much higher value men to commit to them than to marry them. Male market value is determined by the females they can easily fuck, while female market value is determined by the males they can with difficulty marry.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 11:37 PM
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Presumably he's here for the same reason nasty, misandric, militant radfems are on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 11:25 PM
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Chad gets the option of the non-commit lifestyle. These women are holding the unwashed mases at bay, treating them as undifferentiated commodities and giving excuses, and selecting a few to ward off sexual urges while imagining their temporary sex partner is a Chad. They're waiting for a committal Chad though.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 11:20 PM
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What I'm saying is, the OP receives these excuses because he's not a Chad. Chad receives relationships as desired rather than excuses. Women say "I'm not looking for a relationship right now" to lesser men then a short time later are in a relationship when Chad is ready, willing, and able.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 10:57 PM
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You're saying the OP is a Chad? I don't see that upon re-reading.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 10:45 PM
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women make their own money now so they don't need to go for the bag the way they used to, and don't. Lol the more women make, the exponentially higher their financial demands become.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 09:44 PM
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Southeast Asian women: Thais, Vietnamese, and Filipinos. I routinely date with multi-decade age gaps.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 09:35 PM
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I don't choose them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 09:23 PM
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Women having their own income only makes their financial demands higher.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 09:20 PM
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They're giving you excuses while waiting for Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 09:10 PM
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FDS got shut down a couple years ago. I'll look up Diabla
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 09:32 AM
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And you go tell all the foodies, friendzoners, and other riffraff and pond scum to stop begging for money and attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 09:45 PM
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Correct
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 09:36 PM
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The problem is, below average women compete with masturbation.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 09:31 PM
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(women) They're just looking for an ATM to drain. Any ATM will do, thats’s not a surprise. There’s nothing noble about it, it’s just nasty. Then women have the audacity to act like men should open their wallets for their advances like it’s something to be proud of. A woman wanting to sleep with you for free food is a supreme insult. It’s about as precious as a homeless bum giving you chewed up gum they found off the sidewalk.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 09:22 PM
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Move to the Phillipines. Seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 08:19 AM
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I once had a woman go apeshit on me for daring to talk to her while making rounds at a fucking holiday party.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 08:16 AM
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Yeah go ahead, dodge your contradictions.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 08:02 AM
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Now you contradict yourself AGAIN. You specifically said the "article proves your point". Now you say it was "funsies". OK, so the article is irrelevant now. That means your position is based on nothing but your vapid and bigoted opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 08:21 PM
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You "generalizing" using a study which directly contradicts your position. The difference between 17% and 50% you're pulling from your butt. That's not generalizing, just sloppy thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 07:11 PM
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Your first and last sentences are contradictory.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 06:48 PM
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You didn't prove your point. You contradicted it. "Most" is "over 50%". 1/6 is just around 17%.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 04:38 PM
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It doesn't say "most" men it says one-in-six men. It has a flawbecause the age of consent is 16 but they used the cutoff date of 18. Also, it makes no connection between those 1/6 of men and attraction to young but legal women. That part you're making up.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 02:37 PM
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That's what she gets for chasing men out of her league. Who wants to be with an alpha widow?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 06:24 AM
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That's what she gets for chasing men out of her league. Who wants to be with an alpha widow?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 04:48 AM
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I know what the scientific consensus is. Can I name any professional archaeologists off the top of my head? No, and it's not relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 04:30 AM
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Yeah right. TVs are ever increasing in price, right? Last year I bought a 42" 4K TV for $250. In 1997 the first 42" from Fujitsu cost $15000 and was much thicker, heavier, had a short life (plasma) and only 852x480 resolution. I can buy a cell phone for under $100 now that is superior to the best phones available five years ago. Automobiles have been getting more expensive but that's because they're getting loaded with safety, efficiency, and environmental features that can't drop in price. A ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 04:29 AM
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Competition. But eventually home-based machines will construct robots and anything else desired on demand.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 04:11 AM
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What "risks and consequences"?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 04:07 AM
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Not naivety, just not bitter and jaded.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 04:04 AM
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Mid-20s is between age of majority and menopause. Nothing else is relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 04:03 AM
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You're in the life stage of the age of majority (18 in USA) to menopause (~50). No other factors are particularly relevant, although some may add the wall (~30). There are only four life stages: birth, puberty, majority, and menopause. The rest is fiction.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 04:02 AM
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That's absurd
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 03:55 AM
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That's like asking which professional cosmologists agree with the big bang.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 03:31 AM
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You have got to be joking.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 01:01 AM
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In other words, you think you know better than professional archaeologists.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 01:00 AM
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You're assuming the kids keep their parents' values.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 12:47 AM
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Women in the US and Western Europe have a different psychology. I say that from experience dealing with them and then living in Southeast Asia. Militant feminism is rampant. Non-alpha guys are avoiding women entirely because the accusations flow so easily. But, then they're attacked for that as well, for discrimination. I have no doubt that a post-communist country is as you describe, militant feminism hasn't taken root yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 04:59 PM
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I agree. Unfortunately diluted versions of this are what men must deal with in modern society. Expressing sexual preferences, speaking in public, even looking the wrong way at the gym can land a guy on tiktok with a woman narrating P-R-E-D-A-T-O-R.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 04:43 PM
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Here's another take. https://witchwind.wordpress.com/2013/12/15/piv-is-always-rape-ok/
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 04:18 PM
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Well you said you don't want to villanize, but you first words that started this discussion were "Is it not predatory? In the way the red pill and the dudes here express it, it seems largely predatory." That sounds like villanization. In any case, I prefer tall women so I can't assist you with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 03:58 PM
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And it could be that men prefer small women because of a perceived need for more protection. Small women can also be easier to maneuver during sex. I can't speak knowledgeably because I prefer tall women. One can point to any preference and spin a predatory narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 03:39 PM
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No, the pushback is that 1) Women are blatantly hypocritical. She can diss men for being short, but when she's dissed for being fat her life is "ruined". 2) Women have standards, men have misogyny. The woman who said the guy should feel like a piece of shit didn't say anything about what the OP said. It's ok to blast short men (which men can't control) but how dare a man blast a fat woman (which women can control).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 03:12 PM
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Why do women prefer tall, strong men? Do they have rape fantasies? It's just a preference, don't read much into it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 03:00 PM
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I wouldn't say that not having a beard resembles children. Well it does, since children can't grow beards. Not projecting anything, it's just what it is. Yes, you are projecting. You're assuming the way you think is how others think.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 02:05 PM
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1st it resembles children So does shaving. I can't grow a beard. I guess all my lovers have been pedos. You're essentially saying that small, petite women are unlovable. 2nd most men want that for the same reason I do, i can do whatever I want to them Don't project your predatory behavior on others.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 02:00 PM
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I have no idea how that's "predatory".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 01:41 PM
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<image>
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 12:38 PM
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Which specific male standards are predatory?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 12:37 PM
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<image>
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 12:34 PM
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Not necessarily. We may cure aging.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 11:16 PM
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SCENARIO 1 Men will be happily dating hyper-realistic, superhumanly beautiful and sexually skilled robots that provide peace at home. Some women will be reluctantly dating similar male robots, but since robots don't provide resources to extract, dating will be less fulfilling than for men. SCENARIO 2 There is no dating market because we will either eliminate sex drives as an unnecessary burden (it's like drug addiction in some ways) SCENARIO 3 We will be able to activate the pleasure centers of …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 11:15 PM
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This is like asking, "does a racial bigot make the best friend to the races they despise?" Would a frothing MAGA clown make the best friend to a Muslim, illegal immigrant, atheist, public school teacher, socialist, environmentalist, or Democrat? All are on the verge of being included in some asinine conspiracy theory or death threat.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 10:55 PM
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There is no cruel twist of fate in all of western history where a woman was capable of being a housewife but incapable of being a maid or laundress or seamstress or cook or scullery maid or nanny. Correct, it's a HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION. That concept seems to be lost on you. It's like considering if an unstoppable force pushes an immovable object. It is OP who said being a housewife was “exchanging your body for money”. I don’t share that view, and yet you’re still blathering on about some nonsen…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 10:43 PM
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IF your only option is by a "cruel twist of fate", i.e., in a HYPOTHETICAL scenario. That in no way implies that's the OP's view of housewives. That part you're making up. It's your reading comprehension that's the problem. You read stuff and surmise misogynistic intent without evidence. It's a typical thought pattern of feminist indoctrination.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 03:32 PM
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OK OP, I'll spell it out for you: Vaginal quality differs greatly, as does sexual skill. Although there's outward signs, until a guy has sex with a girl, he can't know her vaginal quality or skill. Fat girls usually have fat in their vaginas and which destroys the sexual experience. Sex with fat girls or those with sub-par weak vaginas is worse than masturbation more often than not. I've had sex with normal weight girls who I couldn't cum inside, no matter how hard I tried, because their vaginal…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 12:16 PM
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It has zero to do with misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 11:53 AM
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t’s very clear he thinks there is only only qualification necessary for being a housewife : having a pussy, and nothing else matters. No, it's not. You're reading into what's not there. Again, feminist indoctrination leads to this style of thinking, always looking for grievances.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 03:46 AM
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I'm not telling myself that. It's a basic principle. Pointing out a flaw in an argument is not equivalent to committing that same flaw. Saying something is a non-sequitur is not itself a non-sequitur.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 03:23 AM
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No, it's not obvious, you're inserting what you want to believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 02:53 AM
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Not, pointing out a cognitive flaw is not committing that same flaw.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 02:52 AM
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Where i suspect your view is from is not the conclusion. I'm only pointing out the pattern but it's mostly irrelevant to the conclusion: you start with the desired conclusion and work backwards.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 02:36 AM
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That's the problem. It's not a basis of comparison. The OP only asked if women could only choose one or the other, which would they choose? Your feminist indoctrination demands you see more there than exists and get all pissed off about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 02:33 AM
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English isn't my first language, and I'm dyslexic so apologies on that front. Understood, thanks for clarifying, I respect your issues. you are still doing what you think I am I'm not doing the same thing. I'm pointing out that you start with a conclusion and create your view to accommodate it. I see it all the time in feminist culture. But somehow, you think that me pointing that out is the same as me doing it. It makes no sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 02:14 AM
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Your first sentence is incoherent. yet your not answering a question where your view and others was invited. Nor was yours invited: the OP did not ask for your opinion about why he asked the question, but you proceeded to provide it anyway. In any event, open debates don't require "invitations". This isn't a safe space, whatever you write can be commented on by anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 02:03 AM
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But it's OK for you to put words in mine, odd that? I did nothing of the sort. I pointed out the cognitive flaw: you start with the premise and find a baseless accusation for it. You were trying to call into question my character. And another typical feminist tactic, when challenged, call it a character attack. It's another common avoidance tactic like claiming "mansplaining". You decided to insert yourself into another debate This is an open debate. There is no segregation like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 01:52 AM
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Why is it projection insecurity when a woman makes a judgment call and not a man? You put words in my mouth. The issue is, feminism has indoctrinated women to twist what men say into an imagined assault on women. You're projecting EXACTLY the foregone conclusion of the constructed reality you wish to be true. It is similar to flat Earthers who think there's a conspiracy when presented with pictures of half-visible distant mountains across the ocean, creationists who think evil atheists conduct s…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 01:38 AM
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Of course. Woman gets married, gets divorced, takes everything, rinse, repeat. Serial SAHW is a highly profitable career.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 11:22 PM
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Non-sequitur
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 10:56 PM
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So yeah, it is indeed OP who thinks stay at home wives don’t bring anything of value to the table except pussy. No. Not one thing supports that statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 10:54 PM
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Of course you think it, it's your indoctrination.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 10:52 PM
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They’re openly saying they consider a housewife and mother to be a sex worker whose contract you can buy. Non-sequitur
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 10:51 PM
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Your projection is the only thing obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 10:50 PM
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As usual, a woman think she's being clever by projecting her insecurities into whatever men say.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 10:50 PM
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For the typical reason: While Theron isn't shying away from dating, she has standards for her suitors. "I feel like I'm in a place in my life where you gotta come with a lot of game. Not the kind of game that we think of, the kind of game that's like, my life is really good, so you better be able to bring that and maybe better," she explained. "'Cause I just won't accept anything less." Theron noted that her standards are so high because of her life with her kids -- Jackson, 8, and August, 5 -- …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 10:22 PM
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Actually no, to keep society going for a couple decades at least the family men in critical industries must feel their children are safe during work hours. During the pandemic people screamed for childcare, which is fulfilled by teachers.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 10:14 PM
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If food is the only reason she's meeting then it's a waste of time. Men have better things to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 08:02 AM
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Traditional men wouldn't tolerate foodie parasites.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 07:53 AM
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Oh she's Ukrainian. An American woman would laugh at a man who did that even while pining about it as a plot element in some vapid romantic comedy.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen28/01/24 02:25 AM
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Why did she pick you?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen28/01/24 01:45 AM
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Hint: if a guy gives you tingles, he is unlikely to be a keeper. The guys that treat you well are mostly invisible to you, and you will lose interest in the rare guy who gives you tingles and treats you well.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen28/01/24 12:50 AM
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Going back to the comment that started this, it only says that children are reminders that a woman was CPed. I guess I see your point. The real issue is that men don't want to support other men's children, not that the mother is, well, a mother, which normally requires a CP.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 08:24 PM
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I'm referring to the situation where one can find a partner with a normal amount of effort. It's like trying to sell something above or buy something below market price: one may be successful but usually with a great amount of effort. Some guys are into obese women, but the number of them are few, and for obese women to land guys significantly above their SMV they must usually exert tremendous effort or be extremely lucky. You can try to complicate the situation all you wish with different taste…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 07:11 PM
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It can't apply to my mother. She's not trying to land a man to support her children.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 05:39 PM
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This is correct. It's called "paternity by estoppel".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 04:29 PM
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I'm not trying to sleep with my mother either. Again, what is your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 04:26 PM
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Your point being what?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 02:41 PM
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Women can always find a higher value men to fuck them than to commit to them. Men generally can't do similar with women. That's the real problem. A SMV 6 girl in her prime can ride a carousel of SMV 9 men but never get the commitment she craves. For commitment she must drop back to SMV 6 men. Unfortunately for her, by the time reality hits her SMV has dropped further and her pickings are slim. Women fall into the trap of thinking their SMV is dictated by the men willing to fuck them. That's not …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 02:32 PM
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Buttpull statistics
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 02:24 PM
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Men are willing to spend $30 but modern women use dates as free food. I have much better results with coffee first dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 02:17 PM
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Being "picky" by attraction to the dark triad is the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 02:14 PM
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Women have standards, men have misogyny. <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 05:41 AM
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No, its only a self-comparison of physical potential over time. The physical potential of that hot 30yo was greater at 20yo than now. Her comparison to any other woman is irrelevant. That hot 30yo possibly being fat at 20yo is also irrelevant. Likewise, personality and style changing over time is again irrelevant. In her late 60s, Christie Brinkley remains hotter than many ugly, obese 20 year olds. That doesn't mean Brinkley remains in her prime. She was far hotter at 20 than now. Even if she ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 07:33 PM
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You are correct but the hot 30 yo still isn't in her prime anymore. That's the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 02:24 PM
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The EU is still Western and overrun by feminists. I was thinking mostly of Southeast Asia, where I am now.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 02:22 PM
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Very few men have careers enabling them to live overseas. Most medical fields for example cannot work remotely.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 05:34 AM
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You're right, but the attractive 30yo still isn't in her prime.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 05:33 AM
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Prime is not relative nor is it about current circumstances; it's about potential. A fat 20 yo who loses weight in her 30s is not in her prime, she just wasted her prime. Early 20s is prime. Period. The fat 20yo was potentially at her most attractive. Nothing changes that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 05:29 AM
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I also live in Phils with a generous income and live-in girlfriend. It's a nice life.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 05:21 AM
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I need to find a venue where it gets more attention. I posted it on PPD and got a week ban for my trouble.
/r/TheRedPill22/01/24 02:56 AM
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Here's a primary example. <image> Women gleefully diss short or poor men but when men say obesity is unacceptable they get called misogynists not accepting body positivity.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 09:00 PM
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Male sex bots are DOA because they don't possess resources to extract.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 06:24 PM
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Consider a skilled trade or 2 year medical technology program rather than academics. Most academic fields may be consumed by AI by the time you graduate anyway. If you move, you'll need to live there for a year before obtaining in-state tuition rates. You're overthinking the nepotism situation. My advice is to get some credential quickly, even a paralegal, nursing assistant, truck driver, law enforcement officer (they'll train you for free), or EMT. Move out of your father's house and maybe swit…
/r/TheRedPill10/01/24 05:06 PM
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I googled that word and only received a few dozen hits, mostly as social media account names. Methinks you concocted it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 07:27 PM
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You call yourself a "radfem", short for "radical feminist". "Toxic masculinity" doesn't refer to being "masculine", it refers to being "masculinist". "Toxic femininity" corresponds to "feminist".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 07:00 PM
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Toxic feminity.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 06:52 PM
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Two primary types of toxic femininity: 1) resource extractors such as FDS 2) misandrists such as radical feminists
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 06:49 PM
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In general, mental instability and promiscuity are positively correlated, especially so after filtering out the FDS types of mentally unstable. So for men, after proper filtering, mentally unstable women are low-investment. The unseen risks however can be quite high after breakup, such as stalking, false rape accusations, social media harassment, and rumor spreading. This is a reason to get confirmation of consent by text message, taking women to hotels so they don't easily know your home addres…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 12:47 PM
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of course no woman wants a man to tell her he thinks her vagina is "weak" That's what I meant.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/24 07:26 PM
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Not "obvious nonsense" you just twist things around to fit your narrative. Canadian Independent: insufficient information, I don't know German Gates of Vienna: non-credible source
/r/TheRedPill11/10/23 09:40 PM
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The word "vaccine" doesn't appear in that article, it claims 20% rather than 1000%, and claims the cause is NHS failings. Do you even cursorily scan this stuff before posting or just blindly copy-paste? It doesn't contradict jack shit.
/r/TheRedPill11/10/23 04:37 PM
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I explain it by stating it didn't happen. You're regurgitating false statistics that I think originally came from an Expose article. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2023/01/23/fact-check-false-claim-covid-19-vaccines-have-caused-118-000-deaths-uk-kids-england-sean-feucht/10997754002/ You seem to be the type that's immune to evidence, so you'll probably pass the link off as part of a government conspiracy.
/r/TheRedPill11/10/23 04:08 PM
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All these sources are non-credible, just typical kooks and crackpots droning on about inane conspiracy theories. The only acceptable evidence is in scientific journals. When you have supporting evidence in The Lancet, Nature, Science, or mainline medical journals then you might have something. Otherwise you're a useful idiot regurgitating propaganda.
/r/TheRedPill11/10/23 11:09 AM
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Unvaxxed pureblood - for ovaries uncorrupted by mRNA Idiot. It's a shame so many redpillers are drawn in by paranoid conspiracy theories.
/r/TheRedPill11/10/23 09:35 AM
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Yup. They make it impossible to meet anyone then say "incel" for not meeting anyone.
/r/TheRedPill11/10/23 09:06 AM
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She's still a sex offender but I wouldn't morally judge her too harshly. I think inebriation should reduce culpability and I say that as a non-drinker.
/r/PussyPassDenied09/10/23 05:00 AM
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She was so drunk she passed out a few minutes later. I'm not sure 'sick predator' is a apt description.
/r/PussyPassDenied09/10/23 02:22 AM
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Thanks for the encouragement. I wasn't prepared for the negative comments, I thought this was a good satire of a position TRP opposes.
/r/TheRedPill08/10/23 11:13 AM
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r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 05:17 PM
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<image> This is typical, not exceptional.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 03:47 PM
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I got a much different impression than you OP. The first half of the video was ok, a little awkward, but not crossing the line. Then, he keeps talking to her. It was more than "apologizes and leaves".That second part was the creep part.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 03:17 PM
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I am not even particularly interested in romantic relationships with men, I solely want a relationship because I want to be a mother So if I understand this in context with your previous comment, you like sex and want to be a mother but only want the relationship part to provide a two-parent household. Then you write If I don’t find someone of a highcalbre to take on that task I have other avenues that I have already accounted for. So your situation is quite unique. Ultimately you only require a…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 02:37 PM
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Yes there is, women want sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 02:20 PM
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Did you know him for years? Are there any men you were in a relationship with you've known for years? Are there other men for you to date if this relationship ends?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 02:17 PM
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This strategy takes too long and smarter women will scoop up the men you're attracted to in the meantime. How old are you, how long have you applied this strategy, and how many relationships have you had as a result of this dtrategy? Dating is a numbers game and the number of men you want to date who are available for years like that is vanishingly small. I suspect you have a low sex drive.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 02:07 PM
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What show?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 01:58 PM
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She's not looking for sex in a relationship... until later she meets a "Greek God of a man." <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 08:15 AM
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Wow you're triggered about something, but I'm not sure what.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 08:04 AM
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That's not what happens. If you fuck a guy and then he doesn't stick around it's because you gave him a sub-par experience. Women don't like to think that, so they start this "he was only looking for sex" stuff. Granted, some RP dudes DO think that way, but you have no defense against that, similarly to men have no defense against FDS manipulators.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 08:02 AM
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That's like telling a poor person sick of eating oatmeal that they should just buy some steaks.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 07:58 AM
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Alpha Fucks/Beta Bucks
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 07:46 AM
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the first date usually occurs at least a month after meeting and getting to know him You've met him but don't count that as a date?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 07:37 AM
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This is The Way
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 07:35 AM
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Relationship guys aren’t being held to a different standard. Women are allowed to Protect their hearts by not jumping in bed with someone they want a relationship with right away Contradiction
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 07:26 AM
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This is absurd. One guy gets the sex, the other doesn't. It's not egocentric or strange, it's reality. Denying sex doesn't "nourish" a LTR, that's delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 07:25 AM
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No it's not. Women will do that then have sex with another guy the next day.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 07:21 AM
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If you're ever a single mother your motivation to AFBB skyrockets.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 05:46 AM
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True, but weight is less of an issue romantically for men than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 01:02 PM
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Blurred lines. Humans will be physically merging with robots and AI anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 05:49 AM
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When a guy can get perfect sex, with a vagina that adapts to optimally shape around his penis, it will be more than entertainment.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 05:17 AM
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If in America, it's real, because American women are fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 10:49 PM
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No, it still happens. Three times in my life I was casually talking to women about something innocuous and they completely flip out on me. One was at a party when I was making the rounds and I was asked never to participate in that group again. I never even hinted at sex. Then there's women like this: https://youtu.be/5MVyQNNFobA?si=Swgwwg7vsgk-xWW5
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 04:43 PM
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I'm aware of that. It makes little difference though.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 04:17 PM
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Right; men do the equivalent by ignoring unattractive women and giving attractive women attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 04:09 PM
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No it's not. She complains to management, your membership gets revoked.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 03:57 PM
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Yes and as a guy old and fat women are sexually invisible to me. What is your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 03:53 PM
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Why would you even date someone who you don't know??? Why don't they just go hiking with this women a few times, then let it escalate? I joined a hiking meetup. Most of the women I wanted to date appeared once and never again. You have to shoot your shot when the opportunity arises.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 03:51 PM
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Works great until it blows up in your face.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 03:48 PM
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Not quite. You don't get kicked off the (public) street for hitting on women, unlike the gym where your membership can be revoked if some crazy woman calls you a "creep".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 03:48 PM
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No, that's not predatory either.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 03:15 PM
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Are you referring to lesbians or is that a mistake?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 03:11 PM
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In other words, it's none of your business. If you don't want to be around them then don't be.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 02:47 PM
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That's ridiculous. That's in no way "predatory". It's just a standard/preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 12:47 PM
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Still not "predatory".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 12:23 PM
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No, just like it's not predatory for men to always want slender women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 12:05 PM
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And the cases it's not are not worth the bother.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 09:20 AM
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I've seen it work.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 09:20 AM
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I said sex is the best indicator of attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 08:25 AM
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No, you're misinterpreting. It means no sex is tantamount to lack of attraction. I'm not wasting time on women who won't demonstrate they're attracted. I don't really care in that case if they're attracted or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 07:54 AM
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Lol I'm laughing at your delusion. Enjoy ruining your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 06:58 AM
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A woman's value never decreases, that's just incel theories. You're a fool if you think that. But go on and persist in your delusion. Many have before you and lived to regret it. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2263518/I-left-love-life-I-thought-I-better-Now-Im-childless-42.html
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 06:40 AM
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If the matchmaking service could scan my brain to profile my ideal partner, then do the same for potential partners to find the best match, and the service was reliable and an auditable history of 90% or more satisfied couples who had been together a couple decades, I might do it. If it's just typical matchmaker bullshit using pseudoscientific personality inventories, not a chance in hell.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 06:21 AM
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If they want foreign guys then for a large percentage the attraction is economic Like I said, about 50%, on par with Western women. I can't state why the other 50% seek Western guys without risking an account ban. Fortunately it's easy to filter out gold diggers of any country, just don't spend money on women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 06:00 AM
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I don't know about "indistinguishable", but good enough to replace 6s and below, in 10 years. This also depends on advances in adaptive artificial vagina technology, where the shape transforms to the ideal shape and position for any given penis, which AFAIK isn't being worked on yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 05:56 AM
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Men fear rejection at best and false rape accusations at worst.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 05:27 AM
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Do you understand the word "tantamount"?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 04:42 AM
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Then they're a waste of time, like the borrower who claims 100k of income but refuses to provide documentation. Refusing sex is tantamount to saying they're not attracted.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 04:32 AM
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Sure, but isn't this still a few decades off? I mean, I'm sure a lot of folks would like a flying car for everyday use but they're still probably a ways off. The problem with flying cars, as well as personal jetpacks and ubiquitous space travel, has always been the lack of a highly power dense, lowly mass dense, inexpensive, mobile power source. The rest of the technology for (robotic, not AI) girlfriends is on an exponential growth curve (intelligence, artificial human tissue) or linear growth …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 04:29 AM
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This isn't actually true. The number of Vietnamese women for example seeking foreign guys vastly exceeds the number of foreign guys available.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 04:22 AM
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It works both ways. I've seen so much abuse of foreigners by Viet girls it's ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 04:20 AM
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You don't know what you're talking about, racist. About half of Vietnamese women date foreign men for financial gain, about the same as Western women. The other half of Vietnamese women date foreign men because they find Vietnamese men unattractive. The last time I repeated what Vietnamese women find unattractive in Vietnamese men I got a temporary ban. White guys get a +3 SMV boost regardless of income. Even the broke backpackers can slay. As well, age is just a number here, so middle aged guys…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 04:18 AM
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It's not. Your market value has decreased, now you're not attracting the same men you used to. This is typical.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 03:49 AM
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Ok, bad boys then. Same story, different labels.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 09:34 PM
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In other words, you rode the alpha cock carousel in your prime and now that you're either approaching, hit, or are past the wall you're being more demanding of Beta Billies since Chads ignore you now. This is a classic red pill scenario. It's entirely about compatibility. If the hotter guys you used to get were still available you'd be dropping your pants in a heartbeat.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 09:25 PM
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Amazing how you twist that into "vulnerability". Women make the insult then blame the man for it. Never responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 08:57 PM
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I guess I'm spoiled living in the Phillipines where, if I have sex with a woman, it's almost always on the first date. But, I don't care about N-counts, I have more fun with experienced girls and would certainly wife the right one up. I've had sex with four virgins and it was never pleasant. or she doesn't want him to think she sleeps with every guy on a first date Then she's insulting every man who doesn't get first date sex with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 08:46 PM
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One of the worst dates I ever had was with a woman I'm fairly certain was autistic. It took her ten seconds to reply to anything, she discussed the most boring things possible (she went at length about the oddity of the rim of her coffee cup) and she wanted me to be her "virtual boyfriend" who would never meet again but talk constantly and exclusively by text message (not even audio or video). Oh, and I couldn't talk with, meet, or fuck other girls. SHE ACTUALLY THOUGHT THIS WAS A GOOD DEAL FOR …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 05:47 PM
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They're not attracted to the toys, are they? So it's not a perfect relationship. It's no relationship at all. Autoeroticism is irrelevant to the discussion. Often having sex just means someone is drunk or horny or whatever and doesn't actually care about the other person at all I'm sorry to say. Ok, I'll grant you that. I knew a religious nutjob girl in high school who got drunk and lost her virginity in a parking lot while dozens of her schoolmates were taking pictures. Needless to say, she alm…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 05:21 PM
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women do it with toys all the time and Because there's no men available they are attracted (or attracted to them). What is your point? many people just aren't comfortable with sex in all situations. Actually caring for someone indicates attraction. Lack of sex doesn't necessarily mean lack of attraction, but having sex almost always means attraction exists. It's like going to get a loan: one person says they make $100k but refuses to provide documentation, another says they make the same income …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 05:01 PM
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Depends on the woman. Some are more financially driven, others are more sexually driven.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 03:55 PM
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Emotional, temporal, and financial extraction. Free meals, compliments, entertainment, gifts, emotional support, and other things desperate betas Billys do to fruitlessly land a bedding. Smart men won't expend resources until a woman proves sexual productivity.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 03:17 PM
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All part of being an organism with social capability.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 01:38 PM
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Why is that a problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 01:37 PM
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Actually men do have relationship power, once a woman is interested. The woman keeps the outer gate and the man keeps the inner gate.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 01:20 PM
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A dead bedroom relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 01:16 PM
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Essex women are right. Female sexual receptivity is the primary determinant of her attraction. Saying "I like (or love) you" is cheap; cumming on a dude's cock almost certainly demonstrates attraction. Deeds, not words. Put your pussy where your mouth is...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 12:58 PM
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That's only true for a man with lower market value than the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 12:53 PM
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No, it's because the demand for women vastly outstrips the supply of women willing to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 12:47 PM
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Marry the highest value man obtainable as soon as possible, and if I want children, have them as soon as possible. I'd have easy sex with only if they respect the "She Comes First" principle.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 12:00 PM
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Maybe snakes should enjoy eating tomatoes...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 11:47 AM
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Would you rather be with the guy that all the women want or be with the guy that no woman wants?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 11:46 AM
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Yes and women lie to get relationships. Both genders lie to get what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 11:46 AM
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Men who get sex easily are the same for us as women who put out are to men — undateable I get first date sex all the time. Telling them relationships take time to build pisses them off and they leave. So much impatience.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 11:45 AM
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I agree, that slight bit was an exaggeration. But the point remains, women will say they're not into sex - until they meet a hot guy and suddenly their vaggies swamp out. <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 11:42 AM
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FDS is perceived as a toxic place. Just like that, wave your hands and pass it off. Men that seem age gaps are GENERALLY predatory. False. That's just a rationalization for standards you maintain. Age gaps are ONLY predatory if a minor is involved. The power imbalance argument is a figment of your imagination misandry leads to a man getting his feelings hurt, misogyny leads to violence, rape, and murder Misandry leads to social ostracism, imprisonment on false rape charges, divorce rape, and job…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 09:21 AM
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Most women quit dating apps because the attractive ones get demands for sex or nudes while the ugly ones get bullied.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 08:34 AM
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When a guy holds off on sex, it's because he fears creeping the girl out. When a girl holds off on sex, it's because he's not attractive enough. Either way, it's about her, not him. There's no inconsistency. If a girl a guy is serious about indicates she wants sex, he'll instantly oblige.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 08:32 AM
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And if you are so out of control that not getting laid on the first date is a problem for you, you need to seek professional help. Another idiot playing psychologist.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 08:21 AM
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it’s cause she was soo instantly attracted him, she couldn’t control herself. When she makes a guy wait, it’s cause she’s not that attracted to him but thinks she can use him for “resources” and maybe occasionally sex And those guys are 100% right. these guys believe if she’s making you wait for sex, she’s either trying to use you or just not really into you Ditto
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 08:20 AM
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Beside the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 07:19 AM
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You may have a point there. "Queer eye for the straight guy".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 07:13 AM
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Yet when women act like "terrible pieces of shit" like Female Dating Strategy, radical feminism, or having ridiculous "standards" and thinking 90% of men are below average, that's completely acceptable to you. It's ok for women to disdain short or poor men, but God help us if men disdain fat women or seek age gaps. Women have standards, men have misogyny. And yes, women DO choose their behavior. Act like a bitch, get treated like a bitch.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 07:09 AM
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In other words, you can't answer the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 06:59 AM
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Nope. I'll take a compliment from an old, fat, ugly woman but from a homosexual man I may think violently. It's completely different.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 06:58 AM
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Provide what though? A lot of achievements can be internal and a lot of motivation can be intrinsic. You should try it sometime. Any intermal achievements ultimately have the purpose of external evhiecement. Social circles don’t have to have anything to do with sex. Please stop befriending people just to fuck them or fuck their friends. It’s okay to just like peoples company and not have ulterior motives. Not directly. But if I befriend my elderly neighbor she may have a hot granddaughter to fuc…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 06:55 AM
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achievements thru adversity: aka ability to provide social circles and the connections they’ve made: aka ability to obtain sex dedication to their hobbies: aka ability to produce (assuming the "hobby" is not consumptive entertainment like video games or movies) being able to have self love despite conventional beauty standards: wishful thinking
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 06:30 AM
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Providing, defending, fucking. You think men "deserve" more than this for self esteem but be specific. I suspect all your answers will be like trying to feed a tomato to a snake.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 06:25 AM
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Ok, so what other sources of male self-esteem would you include?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 06:22 AM
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Ok, so what else would you include for men's happiness?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 06:21 AM
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I don't see the inconsistency.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 06:18 AM
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You're identifying one of the great jokes reality plays on us, but it stands nevertheless. Our self esteem ultimately ties to our ability to reproduce. It's hardwired, there's nothing we can do about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 06:16 AM
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"More than an organism?" What are you talking about? We are organisms, nothing more, nothing less.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 06:12 AM
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Because sex and relationships are what gives men direction. There's a reason societies with surplus men go to war.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 06:10 AM
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It can up to a certain point, but the happiest men are those who can provide for and defend attractive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 06:08 AM
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You don't get it. Male self-esteem ultimately comes from three sources the ability to have sex with attractive women the ability to provide (which vicariously includes creating or building) the ability to defend Male self-esteem simply can't be built up past a certain point with therapeutic approaches.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 06:06 AM
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You're a head case.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 05:55 AM
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Women say crap like that while acknowledging they don't want sex as much as men. If women did then your point would be valid but women bitch about gender roles but still have their "standards" and sexual hesitation.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 05:48 AM
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Women don't like women either. It's part of their harem instinct. They superficially get along and act caring towards each other then backstab each other when the correct circumstances arise, like the ability to produce superior offspring when the right male comes along. Women talk to each other with a smile on their face while holding a knife behind their backs.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 05:41 AM
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It wouldn't make any difference. Except in limited circumstances, such as my work superior discussing my work product, other men are just invisible to me regarding compliments. I'm not sure it's normal, but I commonly perceive this in other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 05:33 AM
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It can be in certain circumstances because it hints that a hotter woman might want them too.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 05:29 AM
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Yes. In general, don't compliment men unless you're DTF. Men are mostly indifferent to platonic compliments anyway. "Oh, you like my shirt (but not my dick)? That's nice - quit wasting sound energy."
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 05:27 AM
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This is true of both sexes. Compliments from women count, compliments from men don't. I guess this is just another way men are invisible to both sexes.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 05:22 AM
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Men thoroughly enjoy unsolicited compliments from other men This man is indifferent in most cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 05:21 AM
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A good job is ok, it feeds the ego on ability to produce.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 05:17 AM
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Correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 05:17 AM
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As a male I couldn't give two shits about compliments from men in most cases. I want compliments from women, the more attractive, the better.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 05:16 AM
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Men generally care little about compliments unless it's from someone who has authority over them, wants to fuck them, or it's somehow tied to their ability to provide (like a sports car, large fancy home, or work product). although it depends on the man's vanity and maturity. Women should avoid complimenting men on appearance unless they're DTF.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 05:14 AM
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Lol seriously? You equate being wanted heterosexually with being wanted homosexually ? You're nuts.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 05:02 AM
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I think it's sarcasm.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 01:48 PM
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That's true until sexbots are better than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 04:07 AM
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AI is first generation.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 08:58 PM
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If I had my pick of 168m American women, there'd be no problem. Unfortunately I compete with approximately 168m American men for the few million desirable American women. Or, I can go to Southeast Asia, where there's about twenty desirable, non-gold-digging, non-prudish women seeking Western men per Western man. It's simple math. I spend a year on four American dating sites for a few dates with LVW per year, or I can spend one day on a SEA site and book dates with a different woman every day for…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 06:15 AM
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It does.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 05:41 AM
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Of course you can. For example, Paris Hilton's mom did so, big time.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 05:38 AM
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Oh there's definitely healthy, sane American women but they have dozens of dudes orbiting them so they have impossibly high standards. It's not a fetish. I simply offer supply where demand exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 05:34 AM
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Those were just examples. The last one took. I'm sure there's other topics women tend to talk about that you can't stand.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 05:24 AM
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Do you care when women drone on about cosmetics, chick flix, or astrology? My reaction is like a cat falling into water.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 05:16 AM
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I went overseas because American women are fat, obnoxious, and abhor age gaps. I could have old, disgusting, American fat-nasties queued up outside my door if I lowered my standards but my hand provides more satisfaction. Instead. I date thin, young, beautiful Asian women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 05:14 AM
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Feminists: "anyone can break up with anyone for any reason". Also feminists: "it's coercive for a man to break up with a woman over lack of sex".
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 01:17 AM
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Whatever two sides existed were debated and decided in professional journals, not by scientific illiterates bamboozled by propaganda. A four-year-old insisting the Moon follows them is not a "side".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 11:45 PM
1

Your second paragraph seems to contradict your first sentence.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 11:07 PM
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Concerning covid, there are no two sides. Just science, and oblivion. Kooks and loons try to create a second side but they're politicizing science. We see similar with evolutionary biology, climatology, cosmology, psychology, and economics.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 11:05 PM
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Yup. That's why I left the USA.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 10:52 PM
2

Yes, that's what I mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 10:42 PM
1

Lol you're joking thirsty beta bux are a dime a dozen to these women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 09:25 PM
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Men willing to financially support them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 06:01 PM
1

No they didn't in that regard.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 05:59 PM
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Lol attractive women can always find hosts.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 05:57 PM
1

No, before the twentieth century it was pretty fixed. Some hunter-gatherer societies were matriarchal but that doesn't mean women pursued men, unless they were Chads.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 05:51 PM
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No, they can find guys willing to support them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 05:47 PM
1

Humans are primates, which are animals. The sexual instinct remains intact. Only in the past century has there been significant disruption to traditional gender roles. I'm not criticizing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 05:42 PM
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A job is the most difficult means to extract resources per unit of effort. Attractive women never need education or work if they don't desire it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 05:39 PM
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Those comments were by dudes dictating what women should want. It's silly.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 05:33 PM
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Biased sample
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 05:30 PM
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He could be getting it from the full text if he has access to it, but the study is 53 years old. I would ignore this citation.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 05:28 PM
1

He could be getting it from the full text if he has access to it, but the study is 53 years old. I would ignore this citation.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 05:28 PM
1

My ex wife was sexually aroused by men giving off that "wise grandpa" aura. She didn't care about obesity or hair loss. I doubt she would have married a much older man but she might have had a fling.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 05:20 PM
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I hope to be banging 20yos when I'm 70.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 05:18 PM
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As a man, I want other men to sell themselves for a discount price. There's less competition for the top women that way. The more gays, MGTOWs, transwomen, BBW lovers, single mom magnets, or asexual men, the better for me. The dating market doesn't quite work the way you're thinking. A man settling for LVW increases my chances of scoring what I seek rather than decreasing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 05:14 PM
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It's not that single mothers are inherently less attractive but rather that pregnancy makes the female body less attractive and the effects after birth are difficult to reverse without intensive exercise and diet regimentation. This applies to all mothers, but non-single mothers are presumably off the dating market.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 05:07 PM
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Why do you think emotional damage would result?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 04:45 PM
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With cheated on or the father died, they chose to have children knowing the father might not be around. Choosing to have children is choosing to be a single mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 04:34 PM
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I think that would be true if the AI provided pushback, like a realistic simulation rather than trying to be the perfect companion. I don't know how true it is, but I've heard heavy porn use makes men unrealistically demanding. AI could do far worse if the porn-causes-unrealistic-expectations phenomenon is real.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 01:51 PM
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It's nature not nurture. Males in an overwhelming proportion of species are pursuers.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 01:00 PM
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You said earlier that you're an undesirable male. I think the real reason you don't have a competitive personality is because you don't have enough to offer to be competitive. If you constantly lose you eventually give up.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 12:54 PM
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That's true, because women can't extract resources or gain status from "an object, computer programme, picture, or anything else".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 12:50 PM
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Well, ok, to put it differently, they won't go Elliot Rodger or Alek Minassian anymore and sexual harassment by them will decline. There's no reason to be told to "stay in your lane" when you don't need to compete.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 12:48 PM
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AI is on an exponential growth curve. If it were linear I would agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 12:33 PM
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Robots will be child caregivers too.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 12:11 PM
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AI boyfriends don't confer status, enable hypergamy, or provide resources to extract.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 12:07 PM
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I doubt it now, but it will become more significant as technology improves. AI partners will mostly appeal to incels and men with unattractive partners until sexbots become reality. Shortly after that, real sex will become history.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 10:57 AM
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Asexual and LGBT couples have nearly 100% planned families. I have no doubt about their quality of parenting but as people enjoy affluence, which will explode with robots, the desire for children diminishes. Few want to bother with the hassles, responsibilities, and legal liabilities of parenting when nearly infinite material pleasures await, including sex with the partner of your dreams on tap. One could even have robotic children to engage the parental instinct.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 10:52 AM
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Different I guess. Nothing I can't blow a load in appeals to me. It's trivial to find flesh-and-blood girls only wanting to endlessly chat, but what's the point?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 09:55 AM
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Indeed, but when robots surpass women in ability to sexually satisfy, it's all over for natural human reproduction. I suspect the population will collapse as parenting becomes increasingly less attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 09:46 AM
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I kinda agree with you. ChatGPT only came online a year ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 08:33 AM
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You're the one that's criticizing others. Do you even think before you write?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 06:44 AM
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Again, beside the point. You're taking the analogy out of bounds. But anyway, people die in prison from violence, inadequate healthcare, and premature aging from stress This is a dumb argument. No analogy is perfect.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 05:23 AM
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Again, beside the point. You're taking the analogy out of bounds. But anyway, people die in prison from violence, inadequate healthcare, and premature aging from stress This is a dumb argument. No analogy is perfect.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 05:22 AM
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Beside the point. And yes, prison does kill people.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 05:13 AM
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No doubt that it's not congenital. It's just that the effects of your abuse translate to something causing an emotional stench in you to women, so they reject you, which causes a feedback loop for you to hate women even more.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 04:17 AM
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The tipping point is when robots provide a pleasurable orgasmic experience. Sans something to cum inside of, it's all just going through motions. When they provide adaptable artificial vaginas that can conform to the optimal shape for a given penis it's all over.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 04:15 AM
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That's my point. You started off hating women from childhood abuse and because of that hate you can't get their approval. It wasn't because of the later disapproval that you hate women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 03:57 AM
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Oh ok another term for universal basic income. Is anti-natalism even a thing? I know some conservatives frothing over declining birth rates (natalists) and I've seen people choosing the child-free lifestyle but I've never seen anyone fuming over others having children, which is what I think anti-natalism would mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 03:31 AM
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spent a lifetime crawling around the feet of women trying to get their approval I really hate them intensely I can't help but think that the cause and effect relationship here may be different than you think. Anyways, it's nice to get the incel perspective on this with one who is actively trying to alleviate their deprivation via sex dolls instead of just bitching on social media. I overall agree with what you're writing although I don't share your plight.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 03:26 AM
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Not so with the clergy... it just got moved to secrecy. Saying prison replaces romantic intimacy is like saying starvation replaces nutrition.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 03:11 AM
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What is BIG? It seems the logic would be of natalists, not anti-natalists, even if there is such a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 03:01 AM
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The technology for convincing human-like robots is on an exponential growth curve and the financial genie is already out of the bottle with the software companions. Artificial organs are already in the labs. Artificial skin and a means to supply it with nutrients is just around the corner. I think it will be ten years, not fifty. Already the most desperate of men are willing to pay thousands of dollars for inanimate sex dolls. This will only permeate more as realism increases.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 02:54 AM
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To be good fathers, AIs must have authority over humans. Even if those humans are not of the age of majority, it could be a problem. However the robots' authority could be seen as an extension of the mother's authority. I don't see how robots could ever be family resource providers as husbands are thought of. They could be servants but anything involving providing labor to others for profit or wages would just be the equivalent of renting the robot out. There likely would be little demand for th…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 02:41 AM
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I agree, but apparently there's a market that will only increase as technology improves.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 02:09 AM
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AIs don't confer status, don't provide resources to extract, or provide a fatherly figure to children.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 02:05 AM
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I don't see AI girlfriends being popular until a convincing robot is invented. Then all hell breaks loose. But you're right, AI removes the undesirable males from the dating market.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 10:24 PM
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Only for apps that can't filter out single parents. I guess that's a minor plus.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 10:20 PM
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I avoided making positive claims to avoid a CMV tag. Here's my views: 1) Age gap relationships are just as popular as ever 2) The expert is a "Stacy" but not publicly perpetuating Stacy views. Her private views are another matter. 3) Gender relationships will become increasingly insignificant as sexbots outcompete humans 4) AIs will have an adverse individual impact until they take convincing physical form, then the opposite will occur 5) The impact on society of people getting every social and …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 10:18 PM
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I've never heard of the willingness for men to date single moms as a "red flag". Where did that come from? Also, a red flag for what context? Men befriending such men or childless women dating such men?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 09:37 PM
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Your statement is contradictory.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 09:32 PM
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Unless she was raped she almost certainly asked.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 09:31 PM
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No one’s fucking you for free. It's not a hard truth; you have no idea what you're talking about. I never pay for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 01:13 PM
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No, only if the women I meet are financially benefitting and they're not. You seem to have a lot of resentment. You sound jealous to be honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 12:31 PM
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One crazy girl makes a false accusation and poof your social circle evaporates.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 05:52 AM
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Correct; it's not synonymous with sexpatting. I've never paid for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 12:53 AM
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Never
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 02:17 PM
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Now your back is against the wall and you're lashing out desperately. Have a good life.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 03:34 PM
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It's not bullshit beliefs. I lived in Vietnam as an English teacher for three years.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 02:54 AM
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Ok whatever
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 08:28 PM
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It takes a man being creepy first for someone to even make a post False; women will claim guys are creepy just for some misperceived slight unrelated to creepiness. At the most extreme, it leads to false rape accusations.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 08:22 PM
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Answered in other thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 04:23 PM
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That second article seems contradictory. I'm going with the second figure of $277/mo which is my understanding of the actual average and roughly what I've seen quoted from multiple sources for five years. The typical Western, native English teacher makes at least $1500/mo (the $1100 is for non-native English teachers). The college-educated teaching assistants I worked with made 6.5m vnd/mo or $266/mo. Typically, working in a language center leaves weekdays free when one can work in public school…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 04:22 PM
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What do you not understand about "5x the local income"?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 03:42 PM
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I said teaching English is not a high paying job by Western standards but it's still 5x more than the locals make for doing far more work. Plus, one can have two jobs. Virtually anyone can teach English in Vietnam, legally with a bachelor's degree in any field and otherwise without.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 02:51 PM
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Where did I say they were getting threatened with their own dominance? You didn't. I was turning your own logic against you. You used the word "submissive". The so called 'threat' here is that western men will abandon western women for foreigners. Yes, I'm aware of that. And Western women call men creeps, predators, and pedos for seeking foreign women. I dont know who West Elm Caleb is and I don't care enough to learn. Of course you don't, you don't want to investigate any contrary evidence to y…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 01:08 PM
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How can anyone threaten you with your own dominance? Ask West Elm Caleb about being threatened by creepiness. It's mostly guilt tripping though.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 11:51 AM
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Actually one can also marry a local.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 08:05 AM
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No. In Vietnam for example passport bros teach English. It's not "high paying" by Western standards but many times the average Vietnamese income. I did that for awhile, but now I have a remote US job.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 08:04 AM
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That's not a passport bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 07:54 AM
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When women get on tik tok and use the ‘creepiness' of men going overseas en masse to try and ‘scare’ western men into ‘staying’ it makes me want to die of cringe. It’s a pathetic attempt at negging and we all know it’s a bluff. Outside of that I don’t care.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 07:52 AM
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This is often true in my personal experience. For example in Vietnam, I dated a girl with downward sloping eyes. She was gorgeous but the local men won't touch her because of physiognomy pseudoscience, which is strongly supported here.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 07:50 AM
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Lop off your balls
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 08:06 AM
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For girls it might be. If you're attractive I suspect that for every guy that landed from your orbit and cummed inside you there's been one or two orders of magnitude more hopefuls stuck in a holding pattern. Some of them are probably invisible to you. For guys the friendzone almost never pays off.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 09:09 PM
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I have no doubt about that. It's a question of when not if. The seeds are already planted in the large SEA cities.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 08:56 PM
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Yes. Chix engage in all sorts of falsification and obfuscation to avoid stalkers, dudes must do similar to avoid false allegations.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 07:27 PM
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Friends first = friends forever
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 06:17 PM
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That's why you only do it with strangers, and either don't give them your social media, keep your social media locked down, or use a fake account. Of course never give them your full real name until much later.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 06:16 PM
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I said older men. I'm referring to 50+.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 06:08 PM
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For sexual purposes, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 05:45 PM
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Which is why I wouldn't say that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 05:31 PM
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That's not my thinking, but ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 05:28 PM
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I don't mean virgin in that sense but rather like "virgin territory" in colonialism or "virgin market" in business. It has nothing to do with having sex the first time. The SEA dating market is full of undesirable local men and Western men who go there get a +3 SMV boost. If the SEA dating market gets swamped with Western men it will no longer be "virgin" and the SMV boost will disappear as female standards get raised.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 05:28 PM
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That's not the situation, but nice bigoted stereotypes you have
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 05:25 PM
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What's your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 05:24 PM
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I'm spreading the word to miserable Western men that there's an alternative.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 02:39 PM
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Well if you want to go abroad and trade your money for a chick who wants a greencard go nuts lol. Leaving the country is not on the mind of most of them. I also block the money grubbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 12:28 PM
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I have.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 12:25 PM
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Not in SEA. But 50yo USA women will readily date 60yo men. I didn't say young women I said same-age women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 10:17 AM
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You should come here and see for yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 09:43 AM
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I'm not sure what you mean by the last sentence.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 07:13 AM
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What's your point? It's like a virgin dating market.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 07:12 AM
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I haven't had any trouble locking men down when I am in my early 20s. Yes, that's entirely expected.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 07:02 AM
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please don’t take advantage of a young woman’s innocence. Precisely how does an older man "take advantage of a young woman’s innocence"?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 06:59 AM
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Oh my you are salty about the reality of the situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 06:33 AM
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In SEA it's easy. Age is just a number here.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 06:31 AM
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Citations needed. Everything I've seen makes fun of said women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 03:11 AM
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Must be betas.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 03:09 AM
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It's not fear. It's laughing at the hypocrisy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 03:04 AM
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Young women have no qualms about taking advantage of their maxxed SMV and are cheered on yet somehow when they blow past the wall it's "sad". Meanwhile, men are told to touch grass when young and called creeps when old.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 03:03 AM
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Same-age women are invisible to older men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 02:55 AM
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I'm not sure. All I know is the number of matches I got after covid was miniscule and others have said the same. In late 2018 I was having sex with 10 new girls a month on VC. I joined again in 2021 and didn't get a single date with my one-year membership.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 02:50 AM
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BuT mE BeINg crEEpeD OuT IS a ReAsOn!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 02:44 AM
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But women your own age won’t take you seriously as a long-term partner. So invisible women won't consider him. Sounds like a win.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 02:41 AM
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Rinse, repeat
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 02:39 AM
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I hope you returned to law school.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 02:38 AM
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Also I get hundreds of matches per week with hot women in asian countries but liek 1-2 with fat or obese women in the USA on tinder. This is exactly why I became a passport bro. I joined VietnamCupid and had far more interest from attractive women in their prime than from fat, ugly, and old women in a year on four American dating sites. Unfortunately VC collapsed during Covid.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 02:33 AM
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Suits me.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 02:24 AM
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White men won't even be desired in a few years in Asia anymore as black men will take their place. It won't happen. Vietnamese HATE dark skin. They're even racist against Cambodians and Filipinos for their darker skin. Although tall, muscular, attractive black guys can still slay in Vietnam, they must be far above average to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 02:16 AM
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SMV is not adjusted for age. It's not a bell curve.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 02:06 AM
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Compare him to the average Vietnamese male who is 5'4", has a 4.5" dick, smokes and and drinks heavily, makes $3k/yr, and has other characteristics I can't identify without violating Reddit's terms of service. A 5 or 6 in the USA, compared to the local selection, he's an 8 or 9.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 01:56 AM
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Correct. The bar for Western women is on the floor.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 09:11 PM
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You're crazy
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 08:50 PM
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Congratulations on discovering the wonders of Vietnamese women my brother, I'm visiting Vietnam now and lived here for three years prior. My observation of Vietnamese women on this topic is that they're just as picky as American women when considering the full population of their options including Vietnamese men with an average height of 5'4", 4.5" dicks, $3k/yr incomes, and excessive smoking and drinking (plus other characteristics that if identified would violate Reddit's Community Standards).…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 08:48 PM
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That girl is not average, especially by American standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 08:36 PM
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Yes, SEA women tend to be mammarily deficient on average but what's there tends to be firm and perky. SEA women have the best asses on the planet but it depends on preferences. They tend to have tight, upside-down-heart shaped asses with amazing waist-to-hip ratios and nice thigh gaps decorated by bikini bridges. They don't have Kim Kardashian asses. I think Vietnamese women have the most beautiful faces on the planet.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 08:26 PM
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The OP asked a "why?" question. I'm merely using an analogy. There's no need to get your panties in a wad. Your arguments can be redirected at the OP: if she's going to do it, why does it matter what men want?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 05:08 PM
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It's the end result of that "varied sex life". They have fun in their twenties then in their 30s seek the beta billies they used to trounce on. Alpha fux, beta bux.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 03:51 PM
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So: a woman who won't give a man the time of day when they're both 25 comes back around depreciated at 35 (and likely with kids in tow) saying, "I always thought you were cute... I'm ready to settle down now." GTFO
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 03:44 PM
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Gaining value and attracting interest is not the same as losing value and thinking you should be treated the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 03:33 PM
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It's comparable to rabid women livid over age gap relationships and passport bros.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 03:18 PM
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Q4M
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 02:53 PM
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That's absurd. She did accuse me of sexual harassment. Again, you're equivocating the word "accused".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 02:08 PM
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I have no idea what you're complaining about in the first paragraph but I suspect you're pedantically equivocating on the term "accusation". I did nothing to her at all. I was making the rounds at the party and she instantly hated me. There was nothing sexual about it. She was just crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 01:59 PM
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Sexual harassment in general means unwanted sexual attention after being told no, being touched without permission in a sexual way, or being exposed to sexual content without permission. The accusations can be made to agents at a workplace, spreading rumors, or a person in authority.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 01:20 PM
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Sexual harassment is a workplace infraction, but sexual harassment isn't limited to the workplace
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 11:27 AM
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My mother was in graduate school for education. She said in most classes there were many single women and around three men. One man would be married, one would be gay, and one would be mobbed.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 09:29 AM
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I tried dance for awhile but it only resulted in me dancing with repulsive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 09:26 AM
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I'm a passport bro in SEA. Here's my reasons. Obviously, I'm not talking in absolutes but I'm not littering my writing with qualifiers. SEA women don't maintain encyclopedic lists of ridiculous and arbitrary deal-breakers; they are tolerant, not looking for "Mr. Perfect". SEA women readily accept large age gaps; "age is just a number". This is unlike the West, where age gaps are considered abusive. The incidence of financial demands is about equal between Asian and Western women, but SEA women d…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 07:13 AM
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Oh it started long before Twitter existed.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 06:37 AM
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Better be careful not to be in a closed office with anyone then, or you get accused of discrimination.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 06:35 AM
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I was falsely accused of sexual harassment at a Meetup party.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 06:15 AM
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Also because IQ is highly positively correlated with delayed gratification ability.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 03:59 PM
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There is in the Philippines which is the topic. There's far more attractive prostitutes offering sex than demand. There's simply no opportunity for ugly girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 02:09 PM
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Seems the latter merely automates the former.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 11:20 AM
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Like I won’t even suggest I’m interested in ever meeting them and it’ll just be boring message after boring message. Maybe that's the problem. They're waiting for you to ask to meet.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 11:13 AM
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I'm not sure I'm reading this right, but 18-24 yo women in college are at higher risk than not in college. https://www.rainn.org/statistics/campus-sexual-violence
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 10:25 AM
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No it wasn't a long time ago, it ended in 2015. The effects will be felt for around seven decades after that. Sure China restricts freedom but how specifically has China violated bodily autonomy besides birth limits (incarcerated people excepted)?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 08:41 PM
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Gold diggers seek long term relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 08:20 PM
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So you're implicitly encouraging guys to lie to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 08:18 PM
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No, China has proven the opposite, by applying birth restrictions on a society that favors males.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 08:15 PM
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The girls that are too ugly for sex work aren't starving.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 07:52 PM
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This is my feeling as well. If I paid for sex, it's all I'd be thinking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 07:51 PM
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As a passport bro in SEA, I don't hire sex workers, but I know many who do, and it boils down to time and money. A dude can spend endless hours on OLD, approaches, and dates, and then spend money on a single date that is more than the cost of a sex worker. The less attractive a dude is, the more beneficial a sex worker is.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 07:48 PM
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Or become passport bros.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 07:36 PM
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Sounds like they got the best of you. Women love to use the momentary power of blocking before they cry in their pillows for months.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 07:36 PM
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Not at all <image> And this is TYPICAL, not exceptional.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 07:32 PM
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Women aren't expected to negotiate attraction, but men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 07:31 PM
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Letting Western men know there's alternatives.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 07:27 PM
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Yes, similar to the bitter lifetime bachelorettes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 07:11 PM
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Well yeah until those women demand commitment then find that men gatekeep relationships. And no, I don't want to deal with them, that's why I moved to Southeast Asia and date beautiful, thin, young women with reasonable expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 07:07 PM
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Or men just say fuck it, become passport bros, and leave crazy Western women to their fates as bitter cat ladies driven to school younger women on age gaps.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 07:04 PM
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Yet those same women raise holy hell when men apply standards to them. WOMAN: "I demand a tall, wealthy man". MAN: "I demand a fit, feminine woman". WOMAN: "HOW DARE YOU!"
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 06:53 PM
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Yeah I'd forgotten the context in between comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 07:37 PM
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Ok well it's beside the point whether it's a person answering a question or an estimate. The important distinction is that anyone who ever monetized sex in their life would be included.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 07:27 PM
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No. The question in the title of this OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 05:59 PM
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That she had monetized sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 05:42 PM
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No doubt
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 10:18 AM
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It's ever, in one's lifetime, not current activity. If a 60yo woman did one trick in her 20s to pay school fees, she'd answer "yes".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 09:57 AM
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So...phonesex is not sexwork? Correct
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 09:55 AM
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Not at all. The number can only go up with age, the same as the number of virgins goes down.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 09:52 AM
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Yes that worked. Thanks.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen16/09/23 12:06 PM
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Yes it's much better thanks.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen16/09/23 12:06 PM
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Why can't posters make screenshots with enough resolution to read? I tried the first sentence and gave up.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen16/09/23 08:07 AM
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No, because it is well documented that societies with surplus males seek war. It has nothing to do with race or terrorism but go ahead and keep flinging out the vapid accusations.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 05:47 PM
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I'm American, I said Chinese would rape, yet I'm somehow threatening rape. Critical logic failure.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 05:43 PM
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I made no threat. I'm referring to what happens due to human nature. Silly argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 05:30 PM
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I've been a passport bro for five years. About a third of the women are that way. The problem is the local women aren't fond of the local men and it has nothing to do with money or status. A 23yo Filipina accountant is asleep in my bed while I write this...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 05:25 PM
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The biological purpose of men is to crave far more sex than is available and, in that drive, kill the males of foreign tribes to acquire their females and prevent inbreeding. This has the secondary benefit of ensuring the survival of their own tribe by eliminating competitors. Without the violence of the past, combined with increasing numbers of women who refuse to partner up, excess males are not killed off and instead become bitter incels. We're civilized now, and the only solution I see is se…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 01:18 PM
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It answers the OP's question in the first sentence of the last paragraph.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 12:49 PM
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This is only true for attractive men. For men who have no chance, the friendzone is orbiting while she leeches time, emotions, and money.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 12:20 PM
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Its not a societal issue, or a cultural issue Correct, it's primarily a genetic issue and secondarily a birth issue. It's almost entirely about how one does in the genetic and birth lotteries. It's almost entirely NOT one's own fault. You assume much more about personal sphere of influence than matches reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 08:58 AM
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making herself available for sex with the man, Women don't just make themselves available for sex with men they love, they actively want it and pursue it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 06:35 AM
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Go to Phillipines, Vietnam, or Thailand.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 06:13 AM
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If you are loyal to a man when he has nothing he will repay that loyalty by cheating and leaving you when he has everything. He settled for you when he had nothing. Don't blame men for female hypergamous behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 06:03 AM
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Oh yes, Western women HATE when Western men seek higher quality.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 09:21 PM
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I won't be cheating my daughter out of her inheritance by getting married.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 09:19 PM
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I never claimed otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 06:53 PM
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The bloated BMI. I refuse to date fat women. If I lowered my standards I could have fatties queued up outside my door but it's pointless because my hand provides more stimulation than those weak vaggies that feel like a bowl of warmed whipped cream. Instead I moved to Southeast Asia where abundant beautiful, trim women roam with vaggies that feel like they're sucking my cum out.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 06:46 PM
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No, it's because men bring height and wealth to the table. Women care less about weight than men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 03:36 PM
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Obviously not
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 03:34 PM
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I never advocate dalliances with minors.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 03:31 PM
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Excessc weight degrades female SMV far more than male SMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 03:26 PM
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Well it means that women are fat. An MRA is Men's Rights Activist. An MRE is Meal Ready to Eat.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 02:55 PM
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About 1/4 of the girls in my friendship group lost their virginity or had their first relationship with an older man. so what Looking back essentially in all of these encounters the older man used the naivety, lack of experience and general inability to stand up for yourself at a young age to their advantage for mostly sexual activities but also a few pushed into isolating them as well. You're looking for what you want to see while ignoring that younger men can do that as well. Some were raped a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 12:55 PM
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Howso?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 10:15 AM
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I don't really consider them intersectional feminists. It's contradictory to intersectional feminism to be misandrist.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 08:27 AM
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BeCauSe OlDeR mEn taKe AdvAntAge of yoUng WomEn's gulLibiliTy!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 07:52 AM
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In Texas they're just MRAs and MGTOWs instead of incels. And lots and lots of men bitter about having to settle for unattractive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 07:39 AM
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You drew the line at professional.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 07:28 AM
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This is nuts. There's only 11,800 professional athletes in the USA. The vast majority of them work for meagre wages. Only those in the top tier (NFL, NBA, NHL, MLB, MLS) get the benefits you describe. Those are probably 2000 at most. Most are in farm teams, minor leagues, arena football, etc. This is out of a population of hundreds of millions. Even most who get a chance at the pros get cut after a season or two. The group who make it big won the genetic lottery. https://www.careerexplorer.com/c…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 07:27 AM
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And once college ends and you're not in the small number of college athletes promoted to professional, you have little left to show for it except maybe a scholarship that's worth less than minimum wage.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 07:16 AM
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Intersectional feminist vs radical feminist
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 06:00 AM
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Bull. Queens would wage war all the time throughout history.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 05:47 AM
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-Men have the urge to sexually corrupt young women. This is complete BS. There is no such thing as "sexual corruption" with consensual sex between adults at or above the age of majority. Young women are naïve and should be exploring their sexuality with someone their age Only because you have a socially instilled aversion to age gaps. and stage in life. Life stages as you think are a fiction perpetuated by bitter women. The only life stages are childhood, pre-wall, post-wall, and post-menopausal…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 05:32 AM
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For young women of healthy weight, yes
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 05:21 AM
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Or do you use some sort of graph curve? It's extremely curved. For every 10 there's 1000 to 10,000 1s. This is mostly due to age and weight. The distribution gets more bell shaped when only considering healthy weight women in their prime but even then problems like birth defects, physical injury, and drug use curve the graph.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 05:12 AM
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You didn't bother looking. https://www.forums.red/p/whereareallthegoodmen/321165/if_u_gonna_be_with_me_u_gonna_help_me_financially_with_my_k https://www.forums.red/p/whereareallthegoodmen/321165/if_u_gonna_be_with_me_u_gonna_help_me_financially_with_my_k https://www.forums.red/p/whereareallthegoodmen/321111/single_mom_is_frustrated_that_no_one_wants_to_commit_to_her
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 07:18 PM
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Women don't want to hear it either.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 05:01 PM
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SMV is not on full display. I've been with several women who were attractive but their lack of vaginal strength made me not want to see them anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 04:01 PM
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Yes it would. Enthusiastic consent or no deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 06:40 AM
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I actually wouldn't care as long as she was willing to do all the sexual activities she has done previously with me also, except perhaps something she tried once and didn't like.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 06:25 AM
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It has plenty of examples of female dating profiles demanding resource extraction with minimal or no sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 06:19 AM
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There's plenty of examples in r/whereareallthegoodmen
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 09:31 PM
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Then in that case it's a matter of if I had done a MFM threesome in the past, not her, assuming she's heterosexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 09:31 PM
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She could, but that's not the point. BetaBUX is a biological ATM machine, nothing more.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 09:13 PM
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Sounds insane
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 09:12 PM
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That was just one example. Anal sex, kinks, odd positions, etc. It can even be cowgirl with Chad, starfish with betabux.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 09:11 PM
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If my girl had done FMF in the past, but was not willing to do that with me, yeah it would bother me. Other examples include kinks, rare sex positions, anal, forbidden locations, etc., not that I want to do all that but just knowing that she was willing to do that with another guy but not me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 09:08 PM
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BetaBUX. She needs his money.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 08:54 PM
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They'll dole out enough resentful sex to keep the betabux from leaving.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 08:41 PM
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Women in general are not sexually attracted to betabux. They'll be greedy about sex with betabux while doing anything Chads want.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 08:38 PM
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I think we've reached mutual agreement.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 07:34 PM
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There is actually a male version of this. Men put forth far more effort for the orgasm of women they're attracted to than disposable slam pigs who are barely better than their hands. On this topic, women gatekeep activities while men gatekeep effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 07:33 PM
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Again, the subject is a man willing to lie. Neither of us are in the domain.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 07:28 PM
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Women might enjoy playing rape fantasies with Chads they won't enjoy with their betabux.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 07:25 PM
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The issue is if you had threesomes in the past but were unwilling with your current partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 07:24 PM
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It's never ok to pressure someone into doing something they're uncomfortable doing Unless it's breaking up. No one is obligated to stay in an unsatisfactory relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 07:20 PM
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You're personalizing this discussion again.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 06:58 PM
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No, she either wants sex or doesn't. In the man's mind that's all that matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 06:51 PM
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No; the other woman DOES want it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 06:47 PM
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But regardless, the other woman actually wants sex, unlike the SW, who just want the money. That difference is fundamental.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 06:43 PM
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The SW genuinely wants and is attracted to you for the recourses you’ve acquired. That's a ludicrous statement. The SW would rather have the money without performing the labor.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 06:28 PM
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It's not the same outcome. Actually being wanted, even if based on false pretenses, is a different experience than a sex actress.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 06:14 PM
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I'm not making either assumption. I'm seeing prostitution from the man's side: if he's not paying her, she wouldn't have sex with him. Her attraction or not is irrelevant. I'm also not assuming only physical attraction. I'm merely referring to non-physical deal-breakers. That doesn't imply that physical attraction exists. Let's say for example what turns a particular woman on is the ability to banter but she's also an ideologue (fire-breathing radical feminist or fire-and-brimstone religious nut…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 06:05 PM
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They're not equal concepts, for reasons similar to why sexual market value and relationship market value are not equal quantities. There is an enormous difference between a woman wanting sex based attraction from a false impression and not being attracted and having sex because they're paid. The only logical fallacy here is you committing a false equivalency.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 05:34 PM
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Which specific logical fallacy are you seeing?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 05:02 PM
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I'm not coping if I'm not practicing. I'm trying to give you insight into the psychology but you keep personalizing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 04:15 PM
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Not quite. The lying would be just to get past the stupid deal-breakers. Her attraction is independent of those deal-breakers.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 04:10 PM
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I'm not practicing this myself. There's a difference between a woman actually wanting sex than doing it for money.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 04:03 PM
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Doesn't work. Not being wanted leaves one lacking.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 03:32 PM
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Well maybe, but the dishonesty can bed more women regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 03:24 PM
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I don't disagree with you. But the fact is, dark triad personality traits slay.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 03:18 PM
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You provided an example of what I was saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 03:16 PM
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I'm not advocating it but in both cases the lying person got a higher SMV partner for a time. When discovered, just move on to the next.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 02:41 PM
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So when you take your girlfriend to go meet your family and they are not what you said, this is going to help you? Say they're dead. When you lie about your career, this is going to help you? Absolutely it will. Employers in the USA can't effectively check employment history anymore. Let's say you have no college degree or relevant experience and lie your way into a middle management position. Even if you're caught a year later, you won. NOTHING will happen to you and you made bank. Check out r/…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 02:21 PM
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Actually it will. Except for extreme cases like West Elm Caleb, there's no permanent record of such activity that has any effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 01:05 PM
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