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| 1 | Actual evidence that women are treated better than men overall ?The pay gap that frustrates me is the owe where men and women have the same qualifications, work the same hours in the same position at the same job, but one gets paid less. .... That kind of gap seems to be small and shrinking. ( https://www.payscale.com/research-and-insights/gender-pay-gap/ ) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/03/23 05:30 PM |
| 1 | Actual evidence that women are treated better than men overall ?Not sure that’s evidence that women’s yet treated better. Probably more that women take less risky jobs and are more careful on the jobs they do take How do you feel about the pay gap them? Is that evidence that men are treated better, or is it probably more that men take jobs compensated with higher compensation and spend more time at the jobs that they do take? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/03/23 04:46 PM |
| 1 | Why isn't the plight of unattractive women ever talked about?It seems like there was a good bit of stuff about how fat women are treated poorly by society for a while. Does that qualify? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/03/23 01:41 PM |
| 3 | Actual evidence that women are treated better than men overall ?... favored in education ... Girls get better grades, especially in English classes. There are endless studies about it. For example: https://cepa.stanford.edu/content/gender-achievement-gaps-us-school-districts | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/03/23 02:57 PM |
| -2 | Do women choose partners based on sexual satisfaction more compared to men?... Lesbians don't have any advantage, the same tongue and fingers as straight men do, they just care more about their partner's enjoyment. Or could it be that "just close your eyes and think of England" isn't really much of an option for lesbians? Human sexuality is a complex thing, and there's certainly more to it than "men don't care about women's orgasms." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/22 04:57 PM |
| 3 | How shaken up would relationships be when decline in males born gets critical?Could just do both in series. Marry up when young, and down when old. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/22 04:31 PM |
| 1 | “Women make their own money now”... Hmm, it's almost like raising children has a disproportionate effect on the mom's finances. ... Or maybe finances inform men and women's decisions about children differently. Correlation doth not causation make. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/09/22 01:29 PM |
| 0 | Porn is actually the best way for men to learn to have sex with womenDo you think that conventional porn is an accurate guide to the kinds of looks or personality traits that men like in women in real life? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/09/22 01:20 PM |
| 0 | Porn is actually the best way for men to learn to have sex with women... it would probably be better to watch media made by women for general female gaze That's seems like some kind of feminist fantasy to me. Does anyone really think that reading "50 Shades of Grey" is going to help people have healthy or satisfying sex lives? Are the images on the covers of or the scenarios inside romance novels any more realistic than those in conventional porn? If we compare the sort of advice that Masters and Johnson would give people (or even women in particular) for sex wit… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/09/22 01:07 PM |
| 3 | Porn is actually the best way for men to learn to have sex with womenDo you think that action movies are the best way for people to learn how to fight? How about movies about racing and learning how to drive race cars? Movies about computer hacking and learning how to program? Iron Chef and learning how to cook? Entertainment programming and educational programming are different things. People who are in the porn business are trying to sell porn or advertising, they're not trying to show people how to have satisfying sex. Porn is a product made to have appealing … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/09/22 12:48 PM |
| 2 | With all of the back and forth and speculation here, at the end of the day the overwhelming majority of the dating difficulties men experience and conflicts between the genders are due to one simple fact - men are way hornier than women.. Evidence ... Doesn't the article that this is linking to claim that women might have more a sex drive than men? This seems like confirmation bias. How do you know that it's only one thing and not more than one? There are things like racial preferences that aren't readily explained by "horniness mismatch" narratives. "Dating" is a figment of our culture - other cultures have different structures for establishing romantic or reproductive relationships. Couldn't we just as easily say that all th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/09/22 05:26 PM |
| – | “Why are men in Crisis?” discussed on Bill Maher... What are your thoughts on the clip? ... It seems like one more example of the sort of pandering and pearl-clutching that people turn into Maher's show for. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/09/22 06:05 PM |
| 1 | Why is it when men don't go down on a woman, they're unacceptably selfish lovers, but when women don't go down, it's an acceptable choice for something she doesn't enjoy doing?An noteworthy aspect of this kind of discussion is that we're talking about a cooperative activity involving two people, but there's a tendency to pick one or the other to blame. Life is complex, but people want to make sense of it in simple ways. ... But why the double standard on this one? It seems a little weird to pick out a particular scenario and ask that when there's a generic double standard in our society where people tend assume that men have agency and are driving things while women a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/22 03:02 PM |
| 1 | Roe v. Wade Mega-Thread... As pro choice, you must believe that women have full autonomy over her body. ... So, do you think that the people who are pro-choice but also in favor of vaccine mandates are hypocrites? ... I just think either the baby has the right to life, or the mother has the right to chose. ... It seems like abortion is a topic where a lot of people are confused about what's a slogan and what they actually want or how they want society to work. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/22 01:48 PM |
| 2 | Roe v. Wade Mega-Thread... It's about facts, not feelings ... It's a little ironic to see that kind of comment in response to biological facts. Maybe I don't understand what you mean. Please explain what you mean by "conception" in "human life begins at conception" in factual (i.e. objective) terms. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/22 03:56 PM |
| 3 | Roe v. Wade Mega-ThreadWith identical twins there are two people, but one fertilization. For what it's worth, roughly half of all fertilized eggs never implant, and people don't make a huge fuss about those either. The "life begins at conception" stuff is an anti-abortion slogan and taking it literally doesn't match up with people's attitudes or beliefs. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/22 01:58 PM |
| 1 | The bluepill "communication solves everything" meme sounds good, but it turns you into a dog with all bark and no biteOP is jousting with straw men, but this seems inaccurate to me: Communication ... [is] about ... following through. ... That's usually not covered in what people think of as "communication." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/22 02:08 PM |
| 7 | how confident are you with your body? does it affect your sex life?That's not how it works. Your own opinion is always going to be the one that matters most. (Do women stop having issues with their bodies as long as other people want to be with them?) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/06/22 03:29 PM |
| 1 | Gender Roles are UnnecessaryThere are lots of societies that do just fine without the English language. That's evidence that English is unnecessary. Are there any societies without gender roles that do just fine? Of course, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. So let's suppose - for the sake of discussion - that gender roles are 'unnecessary.' Is that really enough for us to spend the time and effort that would be involved in removing them from our social norms? Should we get rid of English because it's unnecess… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/04/22 02:02 PM |
| 6 | Parental DNA test for all newly born childrenMen can DNA test the kid at any time without the mother's knowledge or permission. ... That depends on where they are: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_paternity_testing#Legal_issues | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/22 06:19 PM |
| – | Do Successful Men Gain Anything From Marrying In Their 20's?OK, then the economics are pretty simple: Every year that you don't get married is one less year of getting the extra relationship stability (if there is any) that marriage provides. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/22 05:53 PM |
| – | Do Successful Men Gain Anything From Marrying In Their 20's?Something to think about is if you want to have children, and if you do, how you want your children's lives to line up with yours. If you marry and have children in your mid-30s, you will be in your early or mid-50s when they turn 18, and in your mid to late 50s when those children finish a 4-year school. You can generalize the thought too: It makes sense to think about what your motivations for getting married are, check to see whether getting married is actually going to get you those things, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/22 05:42 PM |
| 3 | Dudes don’t actually care if you have a high n-count, they just have to pretend they do for respect from other menMen tend to have low confidence that women who have high n-counts will be exclusive. So men who are looking for exclusivity in relationship will prefer lower n-counts. Moreover, we live in a society with normalized monogamy. So the majority of men will be looking for exclusivity in their relationships. Narratives about how n-count is "a social construct" or how preference for lower n-counts might a learned thing rather than an innate thing doesn't change the practical reality that men who are lo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/01/22 01:54 PM |
| 8 | Are women more entitled than men when it come to dating?... It seems to me women nowadays aren’t just looking for a man but THE man. ... I don't want to put too much emphasis on 'biotruth' narratives, but that does plausibly line up with the differences in reproductive situation: Biologically, females have fewer opportunities and more cost to reproduce than males, so they've going to have a different reproductive strategy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/11/21 06:29 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Men don't actually slut shame in real life. This is entirely a female construct that they direct at men to blame for their internalized guilt... Men don't actually slut shame in real life. ... Women are sensitive about being called sluts, so it's an easy button to push when someone is looking to be hurtful or denigrating. I've certainly seen comments like that about ex-girlfriends. I haven't seen any "calling a woman a slut after being rejected," but that kinds of defensiveness seems somewhat plausible to me. There are also some men who have taken it upon themselves to be some kind of morality police. There used to be an old man that… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/11/21 04:09 PM |
| 1 | “I can’t be open because they will use it against me” is a common thing I hear men say, but not women as much — why?It's less about "accountability" and more about the nature of insecurity or sensitivity. It seems like there's a sort of gender-reversed "it's not about the nail" thing in the scenario that's being described. Ostensibly the guy has emotional baggage about getting fired, while the woman is focused on the lateness as a problem to be solved. The fact that there's some practical issue doesn't change that there are also emotions involved. (If you haven't seen it, this is the "it's not about the nail"… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/21 02:55 PM |
| 2 | “I can’t be open because they will use it against me” is a common thing I hear men say, but not women as much — why?There are issues with this kind of "why?" question: An explanation for "why" something happens goes from the way that someone imagines the world works to some observation about what's happening, but if people have some crazy ideas about how the world works, then that might never connect to the things that are actually happening. (Even more fundamentally, it's not up to the world to make sense to us, instead, it's up to us to make sense of the world.) So, people who want to think about the world … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/21 02:13 PM |
| 1 | The "Red Pill" is just "Women like sleeping with men they find attractive.""Women like sleeping with men they find attractive." is a bit imprecise, it would be more accurate to say something like "women want to sleep with men they find attractive." (TRP doesn't spend a lot of time on the "women like sleeping with men who are good in bed" side of things.) Of course "find attractive" is going to be defined in terms of sexual interest so that's a pretty uninteresting tautology. The thing is, there's a bunch of other stuff in TRP. For example, the there's a lot of social c… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/21 01:15 PM |
| 1 | Both genders want traditionalism when it benefits them, but also modernity when it benefits them as well. This is the reason for trouble in the dating market today. Both sides have unrealistic expectations of both traditionalism and modernity for the opposite gender.People have always wanted more, and particularly more for themselves. This is true of men and women, of beggars and of kings. Since that's nothing new, it can't be a modern problem. It is possible that people's expectations or their senses of entitlement have changed, but that's not really the same as "wanting." In the hypothetical, it's not that the guy who sleeps his way through half the town wants a virgin, but rather that he refuses to settle for or with a more promiscuous partner. In the hu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/21 03:51 PM |
| 1 | There really is just one kind of relationship that works out well on the long term, and that is egalitarian.The way that relationships work (or ought to work) is that people in them are putting things that they consider relatively unimportant or unvaluable, and are getting out things that they consider important or valuable. That can only be true for both people if they account for the value of things differently. But, if both people in the relationship are valuing thing differently, then how are we even supposed to make an accounting for what 50% is? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/08/21 08:34 PM |
| 1 | There really is just one kind of relationship that works out well on the long term, and that is egalitarian.Back in my college class they said that relationships are long term sustainable when each person in the relationship is getting roughly five times as much out as they're putting in. To me, it makes a lot more sense to think that people want to stay in relationships when the good outweighs the bad, than to think that people are spending their time measuring to make sure that everyone's doing "equal effort" are. This talk about equality somehow being the answer always seems like some kind of just … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/08/21 04:39 PM |
| 2 | NPR - From Housework To Sex, Here's How Relationship Contracts Can Help Couples... So, ever heard of a relationship contract? Ever drawn one up or agreed to one? ... Marriage contracts have been around for a while. E.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketubah | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/21 07:14 PM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadI don't understand why you're talking about "can't obtain men" if she's consistently meeting men. I'm not sure about FDS, but it certainly makes sense for someone who wants a relationship to go looking for a relationship, rather than just looking for men. If she's freely making choices and repeatedly getting into situations where she feels unhappy about "getting used" then she's being foolish, she's in denial about something, or both. That observation by itself isn't actionable advice, but it le… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/21 07:32 PM |
| 0 | Q4Men: what percentage of men do you think have “anger or addiction issues” (excluding porn)?There's no real way to guess what your expectations about that stuff are, and I have no experience with or expertise about being in romantic relationships with men anyway. (If you want to have a heart to heart about the travails of relationships with men with men, it would make sense to seek out gay or bi men to talk to.) To me, this seems a lot like the kind of talk that happens when people want to blame others for their own unhappiness. There's nothing wrong with wanting things to be better, b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/21 07:16 PM |
| 0 | Q4Men: what percentage of men do you think have “anger or addiction issues” (excluding porn)?... they have caused more than one woman to reject/breakup with/divorce ... By that standard, is it the men's issue, or the women's? To me, it seems like some of this is people making up narratives to justify their own behavior. The vast majority of men consume porn and it's an easy thing to blame. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/21 05:54 PM |
| 1 | Kathy Griffin whines about her fee for hosting NYE telecast on CNN, tries to claim gender pay gap, is firmly slapped down..... the Men are taking time away from their professional teams/contracts to play on the national team .... The USWNT pay lawsuit doesn't seem like it has much merit, but that argument really doesn't hold much water. Suppose that one of the players has the opportunity to make lots of money as a banker of some kind. Should US soccer negotiate pay with that player separately because participating on the national team is "taking time away" from something else? | /r/PussyPassDenied | 22/06/21 01:46 PM |
| 2 | Is there a shortage of "quality" marriage material men out there?The second one should be "why can't I get laid?" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/12/20 05:51 PM |
| 1 | What makes submissive women attractive?It definitely shows up now and then in fiction about "fantasy partners" like Westworld or Total Recall. It's also used as a term to describe BDSM roles. So, whether people believe it's some kind of general gender preference or not, there are individual people who are into that, and it is present as a cultural trope outside of reddit. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/20 12:52 PM |
| 11 | What makes submissive women attractive?Do men really generally like submissive women or is it possible that people have decided to call compliance with gender roles "submissiveness?" The nature of social norms is that a lot of stuff is set up with implicit assumptions that people will comply with those norms, and dealing with or being abnormal is more of a challenge. When gender roles for women tend to be more passive than they are for men, there's a lot of stuff that could either be seen as "staying within the bounds of social norms… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/10/20 06:45 PM |
| 3 | Women not having to register for the draft but are allow to vote? A pussy pass that no one is ready to talk about.The movie and the book are a bit different from each other. | /r/PussyPassDenied | 26/03/20 12:28 PM |
| 2 | Is “man up” and “grow the fuck up” the same? If so, how?They may overlap, but they certainly aren't the same. You might tell someone to "grow the fuck up" to stop them from taunting other people or indulging in some other juvenile behavior. Meanwhile "man up" typically comes up when people are expected to assume some risk, accept a loss, or take up a task. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/03/20 02:40 PM |
| 1 | If each gender temporarily became the opposite one, they would no longer have problems with one another.... Because if they could somehow place themselves into the other' shoes, the problems would no longer even exist. ... Sensitivity doesn't change the fact that different people want different things, and it won't change that people are operating in a social and economic context that they have very little control over. If the issues were as simple as gender sensitivity, then we wouldn't see women jealous of each other, would we? It's also worth pointing out that people's gender identities don't s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/03/20 06:20 PM |
| -21 | Pussy pass deniedWanting something doesn't make it okay to do it. For example, how stupid does "I wanted that money, so it was ok for me to take it" seem? | /r/PussyPassDenied | 08/03/20 03:57 PM |
| 2 | Question for Men: how do you feel about marriage?It seems like marriage makes sense if you want to assume liability for children or maybe for super-wealthy people who want to co-mingle assets. It's not a compelling choice for people who don't want kids and who aren't super-wealthy. ... What character traits would you want in a wife? ... What kind of character traits would you want in someone that you're giving authorization to manage your assets and make your medical decisions to, and whom you're expected to share a living space with? It seems… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/03/20 01:50 PM |
| 2 | Women do not have it easyIt seems a bit odd to call something "very false" and then call it a truth in the next sentence. Sure, people often do a bad job about separating subjective and objective truths from each other, but subjective truths are still truths. A better approach doesn't immediately come to mind, but I don't think that we should be telling other people that, say, whether they like something or not, is "false" either. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/02/20 02:01 PM |
| 0 | Women do not have it easy... And women suffer much longer after breakup than men. ... How do you know? Men and women certainly "have it different," but, while it's easy to demonstrate that things are different, it's much harder to make a credible case that one has it better than the other. Specifically in the context of dealing with break-up forums, it's worth pointing out that we live in a society that (at least in relative terms) encourages men to shut up about their feelings and encourages women to express theirs. Th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/02/20 01:55 PM |
| 3 | The so-called "traditional" model serves for average men being able to control womenI'm not sure how economically viable SAHM (or SAHD) is for most people these days. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/02/20 01:30 PM |
| 1 | Do women hate sluts because they’re a competition?Fundamentally, the way that explanations work is that they start from something that's a figment of human imagination (i.e. a theory) and they end up with some phenomenon that's assumed to be true. So when someone says "X because of Y" that's a reflection of how that person thinks about the word, and might not have anything to do with reality. I've certainly met women who express their relationship insecurities as jealousy and envy, and who are all too ready to blame the other woman while exoner… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/20 04:48 PM |
| 1 | Men slut shame women more than woman slut shame each other.What does "slut shaming" even mean? It seems a lot like the talk about "slut shaming" is about psychological projection of insecurities. And, if slut shaming is primarily a figment of the psyche, then it doesn't really make sense to talk about "who slut shames." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/20 03:02 PM |
| 1 | How has your fitness changed your relationship with other people?I lost a bunch of weight, and really didn't notice that much of a difference. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/02/20 03:49 PM |
| 4 | Q4All - What common views expressed by your gender on PPD do you disagree with?The general themes of "all men want X, all women want Y" and "womens' experience is like X, men's experience is like Y" are rather reductionist. On a good day I have some sense about what my own preferences are, but that's not going to give me an accurate sense what things are like in general. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/02/20 03:39 PM |
| 1 | Why is the relationship between men and women so frayed?I'm not familiar with that, but I remember reading Medea in high school, and there's lots of stuff about fraught relationships in Shakespeare. It really seems like the broad strokes of our gender dynamics issues have been around for a while. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/02/20 03:49 PM |
| 1 | Why is the relationship between men and women so frayed?So are all the stories about frayed relationships between men and women in historical literature supposed to be exceptional cases? Or is it that women were emancipated since the time of Eve? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/02/20 03:21 PM |
| 1 | How would you feel if you were objectified and sexualised by homosexual men constantly?Maybe they do. I don't particularly care. To me, it also seems like this question is a bit misguided. Does Pamela Anderson really care whether someone masturbates while looking at pictures of her or not? I'm not certain how much it happens in practice, but there are also lots of social tropes about men being objectified and exploited by women as sources of money. Isn't that a parallel? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/02/20 02:58 PM |
| 1 | CMV: How people find sluts as being disgusting parallels how people find creeps as being disgusting. And neither party should be shamed for their disgust.If people really thought that promiscuous women were disgusting, would the word be posted all over every porn site? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/20 02:50 PM |
| 2 | Why shouldn’t women choose attractive men if they can get them?Which is why virtually every major religion ever developed preached monogamy. ... Hmm... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygyny#Religion | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/20 02:46 PM |
| 3 | Why do so many women complain about their husbands/BFs going to strip clubs?... Why aren’t more women secure enough in their relationships? ... It could be more about how money is being spent, or about cultural norms than about fidelity issues. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/20 04:41 PM |
| 1 | What would you objectively rate yourself?Can't objectively rate myself. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/01/20 06:43 PM |
| 2 | If you are fat and there is nothing stopping you, why aren't you losing the weight?I'm happy for you, but that doesn't change my experience. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/01/20 04:15 PM |
| 3 | Is misogyny just nature?... most woman are not Misandristic.. Heh... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/01/20 03:18 PM |
| 3 | If you are fat and there is nothing stopping you, why aren't you losing the weight?... If nothing is blocking you and you are able to move forward then staying where you are becomes a choice. So you're choosing not to be rich(er)? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/01/20 03:10 PM |
| 16 | If you are fat and there is nothing stopping you, why aren't you losing the weight?If you're stupid, and there's nothing stopping you, why aren't you smart? If you're poor, and there's nothing stopping you, why aren't you rich? If you're an asshat and there's nothing stopping you, why aren't you nicer? In order for a question like this to make sense, we have to assume that people have realized agency in ways that they often do not, and that things don't exist unless someone can put a name to them. (Don't know what's stopping you? Guess there can't be anything then.) ... more a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/01/20 02:58 PM |
| 1 | Stop Getting Caught Up in What's "Fair"As far as I can tell, people talk often talk about "fair" and "equal" when the denotation of "just" (in the sense of justice) seems to be closer to what they're thinking. Rhetorically, there's a lot of "women are victims of injustice" talk from BP types, and, pretentions of enlightenment notwithstanding, there's also a lot of "men are victims of injustice" talk from RP types. ... frankly, anti RP (or anti truth) ... Something that you might want to look at is how much of the "RP" stuff is truth,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/01/20 02:08 PM |
| 4 | What type of demographic is most over represented in these types of communities?It's certainly more complex than that. I'm not sure about recent data, but the historical pattern is that black women have a strong preference for black men. In most of the country that means that they're targeting a small part of the population. At the same time, black men don't have a strong preference for black women. (Though it seems like women's preferences are the ones that get expressed in racial pairings in romantic partnerships so ...) https://theblog.okcupid.com/race-and-attraction-200… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/01/20 06:53 PM |
| 1 | What’s the point of wanting marriage if all the guy wants is sex?There are a bunch of different societies with different ideas about marriage. In our society, it seems like marriage was recently mostly a trade off where men get reproductive exclusivity from women in exchange for assuming certain kinds of liability for the woman and her offspring. It's also used to normalize monogamy. Marriage has also been used as a way to transfer assets or as a proxy for other kinds of contracts. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/20 08:54 PM |
| 1 | Weekly Community Chat Megathread (19 January 2020)People can argue that the Moon is made of green cheese too. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/20 05:42 PM |
| 1 | [Q4ALL] Is personal experience a good falsifier to RP theories?... So to restate the question, Can you use anecdotes and what you see in your life to prove/disprove something like TRP? That seems like a silly question. People can certainly make up their own minds about TRP, and the conclusions that they come to will be informed by their experiences. In a rhetorical sense, I'm not sure that personal anecdotes are all that persuasive compared to the narratives that they come with. (Edit: On reflection, they can certainly leverage the listeners preconceptions … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/01/20 06:14 PM |
| 15 | How can women fuck you within 3 dates or on the first date even and also get a relationship/avoid getting pumped and dumped?So y’all don’t want sluts. But you also want women to fuck you in three dates or less. ... Different men want different things. Even stereotypically, men like promiscuous women just fine, it's just not something they look for in long term partners. To have a stable relationship, people typically need to feel like the "good" in the relationship is at least about five times as big as the "bad" in the relationship. Sex is certainly a big thing to put in the "good" column, but there are a lot of oth… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/01/20 03:12 PM |
| 2 | Gender roles... Why would you want to take more from your partner than you give back? ... I'd really like to be in a situation where from my partner's perspective she's giving more than she's getting, and, from my perspective I'm getting more than I'm giving. (Studies indicate that people need to feel like the benefits are about five times the drawbacks, or more, for relationships to be stable.) Mutual benefit and equality are different things. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/01/20 02:45 PM |
| 2 | Why do guys not want relationships as much as women?The only difference is that guys are hornier? ... There's some debate about what the details are, but it's pretty clear that men and women have different gender roles. So unless you really think that people expect men and women to fulfill the same kinds of roles in relationships, there's more to it than "men are hornier." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/01/20 01:52 PM |
| 3 | Anti-pornography and anti-prostitution are anti-male pushbacks.... anti-male ... What does "anti-male" mean here? Men are more likely to speed than women. Does that meant that enforcing speeding laws is "anti-male" since it impacts men more than it impacts women? That might seem like a straw man, but it seems like all the stuff about "anti-pornography" also applies to a bunch of other stuff. So what's the difference between speeding laws and decency laws that makes one of them "anti-male" and the other not "anti-male"? ... Just this time, its men on the lin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/01/20 06:34 PM |
| 4 | Anti-pornography and anti-prostitution are anti-male pushbacks.The title of the post here includes the word "pushbacks." That implies that the people who are acting against pornography and prostitution are pushing back against something, but there's not mention of that in the body. What is "anti-pornography" pushing back against? ... Why is this anti-male? Because men are the majority of porn consumers and the biggest prostitution clientele, the removal of these sexual outlets would primarily have a negative impact on men's sexual needs. ... The phrase "ant… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/01/20 05:48 PM |
| 2 | Power Lies Where it Naturally FallsLet's pretend, for a moment, that this is correct and that the social status quo is "natural." Does that tell us anything useful about whether we want to keep it the way that it is or not? I doubt that flying in airplanes lines up with anyone's idea about what's natural, so should we give credence to the "if god nature had meant men to fly it would have given them wings" crowd? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/01/20 01:59 PM |
| 6 | Women find negative feminine traits unattractive.I'm not disputing that it happens, but I'm not sure I've ever seen a "deadbeat felon boyfriend" scenario in person. Each person's experience is only a small part of any accruate big picture. "Snide" is about being underhanded or nasty. It's been a long time since I've looked at an "Adam Ruins Everything," but in my memory he's more of a self-righteous know-it-all than snide or condescending. If we can, let's try this from a different direction: The CMV is clearly about women's preferences in men… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/01/20 05:50 PM |
| 6 | Women find negative feminine traits unattractive.Aren't there are also plenty of women who are involved with whiny or entitled men? (Catty is a bit of a gendered term - I imagine behaviors that are called catty in women would often be called snide or condescending in men.) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/01/20 05:01 PM |
| 20 | Women find negative feminine traits unattractive.... you’ll find more women who put up with a douche more than a little bitch ... OK, so it seems like the view that you want to talk about something like "women have more tolerance for stereotypically masculine negative traits than stereotypically feminine negative traits in partner selection." There's no doubt in my mind that there's going to be a pattern like that, but there's also a lot of fuzziness about what kinds of traits are masculine, feminine, or neither. For example, women typically h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/01/20 03:43 PM |
| 39 | Women find negative feminine traits unattractive.... Women generally find NEGATIVE feminine traits bad. ... Could that have more to do with the "NEGATIVE" part than the "feminine" part? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/01/20 03:01 PM |
| 1 | The social narrative around "he took advantage of her"... All it underlines is the assumption that women refuse to have sex on mutual, equal grounds, with men. ... Do you think that men and women are the same (or that the differences between men and women aren't relevant in romantic contexts)? And, if the differences between men and women are relevant when it comes to having sex, then how is it possible for men and women to have sex on "equal grounds"? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/20 08:22 PM |
| 6 | Women-only STEM college programs under attack for male discriminationIt certainly was. Remember that, not so long ago, "separate but equal" was a thing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historically_black_colleges_and_universities | /r/PussyPassDenied | 20/08/19 08:28 PM |
| 16 | Why Do So Many Men Ignore Women's Roles?I think that, in the rhetoric, people are typically conflating "equality" and "justice." In other words, they say "inequality" but want people to think "injustice." This is convenient because it's much easier to show that there's inequality than it is to show that there's injustice. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/03/19 05:48 PM |
| 2 | What advice would you give a low status/value male in his mid20's who's behind in most aspects of life?Ok, this is all about where you are, but where do you want to get to? (Yes, I know that's a harder question to answer, but it's an important one. ) FWIW, for most guys SMV will increase until the mid-30s, so you've probably still got time to figure that stuff out. If it doesn't bother your that you don't have a lot of friends, then it's not a problem. I have 1 day a week off from work or school to do something and it's on a Friday ... It's clear that you've made school a priority in your life. O… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/01/19 06:53 PM |
| 3 | So, women now have literal privilege in the law. This is beyond crazy.This sounds incredibly unconstitutional. What part of the US Constitution does it violate? It's probably prohibited by Title VII of the Civil Rights act of 1964. | /r/MensRights | 11/10/18 02:50 PM |
| 6 | Woman lives as a man for 18 months. Concludes "men are suffering," "don't have it better," and that being a woman is "a privilege"... If anything, it's the culture surrounding women that's changed, not men. ... It's (basically) everyone. Lots of variants of the "were the populous fighting the elite status quo" Occupy Wall Street, the Tea Party, Black Lives Matter, and this round of SJWs are all on the same theme. | /r/MensRights | 16/03/18 06:23 PM |
| 4 | We at MensRights would like to celebrate international womens day because in contrary to popular belief we're not anti women!"... be happy that it doesn't last all year" --Tom Lehrer | /r/MensRights | 08/03/18 04:26 PM |
| 3 | UK: Innocent student wrongly accused of rape calls for anonymity for sex assault defendants until they are found guilty.Yeah. As a society, we're really not well equipped to deal with the uncertainty that unverified accusations represent. Legitimate accusations can prevent harm while things are being investigated, but we're not really finding a good balance. | /r/MensRights | 18/12/17 07:17 PM |
| 4 | Good God, we've jumped the shark: Arizona Rep. Franks quits Congress after 2 female staffer report "feeling uncomfortable" after discussion about surrogacyThis is the guy who used $84k of taxpayer money to pay a settlement. Maybe there's a little more going on than he's willing to talk about. | /r/MensRights | 08/12/17 10:01 AM |
| 27 | Women at Google were so upset over memo citing biological differences that they skipped work, ironically confirming the stereotype by getting super-emotional and calling in sick over a man saying something they didn't like. 🤦🤦 🤷¯\_(ツ)_/¯🤷On reddit, Feminism is about no true Scotsman fallacies. | /r/MensRights | 09/08/17 03:58 PM |
| 3 | YesAllWomenYep. Every political movement pretends to represent as many people as possible. | /r/MensRights | 23/06/17 12:59 AM |
| 6 | More men are taking sexual assault accusers to court.It's certainly common. | /r/PussyPassDenied | 10/06/17 03:20 PM |
| 6 | Group of women strip naked to protest violence against women. If a group of Men stripped naked in public to protest Men's Rights they'd be labeled sex offenders.By default public nudity is legal in the US and in California, though there can be more local laws about it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Martinez "... The county prosecutor refused to prosecute, concluding that nudity without lewd behavior was not illegal. ... The city adopted an anti-nudity ordinance in July 1993. ..." | /r/MensRights | 07/06/17 02:56 PM |
| 17 | A little good news, for once: A woman who got pregnant after having sex with a male escort in a German hotel has failed in a legal battle to find out his name. The man's right to privacy outweighed the woman's claim for child support payments from him, the ruling said.Prostitution is legal in Germany. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Germany | /r/MensRights | 02/05/17 06:09 PM |
| 1 | Apparently, It's Never the Man's FaultIt comes down to how people think about the relationship. If you think that the economics of the relationship are typically based on an exchange of reproductive exclusivity from the woman for material support from the man, that's going to color your perspective one way. If you think that relationships are about 'sharing your lives together' (whatever that means) that's going to lead to a different kind of thinking. Of course relationships aren't all the same, but if the relationship is asymmetri… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/03/17 08:53 PM |
| 2 | What are some everyday common examples that disprove TRP?TRP is a bunch of narratives, and not a falsifiable hypothesis. A bunch of the assertions in TRP are also pretty uncontroversial. Suppose someone asked you, "What are some common examples that disprove Shintoism?" Could you come up with persuasive ones? (Or, if you prefer, plug in some other religion or sect that you don't subscribe to, but are more familiar with.) Really, for this kind of question to make sense as a debate topic, you would want to pick a specific assertion in TRP that is both c… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/03/17 04:02 PM |
| 20 | Male Privilege...How many women do you see who work those kinds of jobs? Lots of women working cleaning up hotel rooms. Men tend to have more of the outdoor cleaning jobs though. | /r/MGTOW | 23/01/17 09:06 PM |
| 1 | Do Feminists Shut Down Debate and Discussion?That's not true. Sorry, can you be more specific? What assertion is not true? ... Typically, in order to get people to buy into your agenda, you have to be able to debate and discuss it diligently and persuasively. ... So Trump (and his surrogates) got him elected with "diligent discussion"? In this country, we have a persuasion industry - advertising and public relations. This industry has studied and refined persuasion for centuries. How much of the advertising you see every day is in the form… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/01/17 05:29 PM |
| 1 | Do Feminists Shut Down Debate and Discussion?Do Feminists Shut Down Debate and Discussion? Of course they do. The goal of any movement is to promote an agenda. Debate and discussion gets in the way of that. That's not really different than anyone else who is trying to promote an agenda: by definition, their goal is not to get people to make up their own minds, but rather to get people to agree with the agenda. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/01/17 04:18 PM |
| 2 | [Meta] Why are bad faith arguments allowed?... Someone making a bad argument at least responds to the other person's points and considers the evidence they provide. ... Ignorance is comfortable. People don't always respond, and are really only rarely open to new evidence. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/16 06:29 PM |
| 2 | Do you believe that men and women are different?... Personally I say individual freedom > all else ... That's not a particularly sensible way to deal with situations where there are two (or more) people, and people's interests conflict. For example, they say that democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner. How does "individual freedom > all else" apply to that kind of metaphorical situation? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/16 05:33 PM |
| 5 | Man Legally Forced to Pay Child Support Even After DNA Test Proves He’s Not DadThe reasoning is that it is better to have someone paying than no one ... Strangely that reasoning never seems to extend to putting liability on the judges. /s | /r/MensRights | 26/10/16 01:01 PM |
| 17 | Total Biscuit has absolutely no chill for white knight SJW!... I'm handicapped by the need for things to make sense. It all makes sense as soon as you realize that the talk about equality is, at best, aspirational. | /r/PussyPassDenied | 01/09/16 05:41 PM |
| 8 | Review of the new Ghostbusters: "In the original, the bad guys weren’t actually the ghosts; the bad guys were the gov't bureaucrats, who set off a supernatural crisis through bumbling. In this film, by contrast, the enemy is all men. Every man in the movie is a combination of malevolent & moronic."... complete with ill-fitting and stained clothing ... They wear coveralls (which is as blue collar as clothing can get.) | /r/MensRights | 19/07/16 05:45 PM |
| 4 | Would you support giving people a *unilateral* opt-out from paying child support if *every* person (*including every* child) will have a sufficiently large unconditional basic income?So women who put children up for adoption should be liable for child support? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/05/16 04:51 PM |
| 1 | What do you think of FA/FU/incel/KV men harassing so-called FA wome... lack of oxycotin ... You mean oxytocin and not oxycontin, right? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/05/16 05:23 PM |
| 1 | If male and female brains are different, doesn't that prove transgenders are right?... The reason I know I'm a man is because I can look in the mirror and at my body. There certainly seems to be much more to it than that. For example, people who had gender assignment surgery as infants may still identify as the other gender. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/05/16 04:40 PM |
| 1 | Would written, notarized contracts for consent solve all these grey areas around rape?It's not practical (consider what's involved in actually getting a credible notarized contract), and it doesn't really help because people legitimately change their minds. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/05/16 04:31 PM |
| 1 | If Gender Roles are Natural to Everyone, why do people have to learn them or fight to follow them?To be sure, there are biological (and neurological) differences between men and women, but that hormone stuff is, at best, an oversimplification. Because we see testosterone and estrogen as 'gendered', it's easy to project social gender norms onto them, and "that's what testosterone does" is often just "that's what men do" dressed up with some pseudo-scientific pretense. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/16 04:13 PM |
| 1 | Does posting a nude selfie on Instagram liberate or empower a woman?If it has any sensible meaning at all, the notion of empowerment is one of facilitation or creating autonomy. More plainly, "empowering" someone is changing things so they can do something for themselves or control some aspect of their own lives. There's no intrinsic empowerment in posting selfies, rather, it's contextual. When someone posts progress pics in /r/loseit, that's way more in line with empowerment than the latest self-promotion from media whores. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/03/16 04:35 PM |
| 3 | Does the critique of feminist theory, in Institutions of Higher Indoctrination, satisfy the need for a Masculine Studies discipline?"Feminist Theory" is pretentious bullshit. Chomsky describes it reasonably well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjNJX64cBOE | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/03/16 04:40 AM |
| 1 | [CMV] Not being honest to get sex is bad, but, only if you're a man.Among other things, the OP claims that others say that deception about penis size prior to sex justifies rape accusations. ... This is a straw man matryoshka - straw man example in the op, and straw man accusations in the thread to defend it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/16 07:50 PM |
| 1 | [CMV] Not being honest to get sex is bad, but, only if you're a man.I didn't say that directly. From the OP: It's been said a number of times that a man that lies about something to get sex ... his penis size ... is bad. Sex by deception, I've heard it called by some BPers. Edit: Forgot the next line: I've even seen someone claim that when found out, post coitus, the women has every right to claim rape ... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/16 02:35 PM |
| 3 | Study: Men think their male classmates are smarter, even when they're notCan we get links to the 'not clickbait' version? http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0148405 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/16 06:05 PM |
| 1 | CMV: The BBC study results showing women writing better code make sense....treat this study as comparison between the Average Female Programmer vs. the Average Male Programmer ... Considering that github is a self-selected sample, it's a bit of a reach to claim that what happens on public projects on github is representative of the tech industry as a whole. ... lack of levity in discussion ... Does that word mean something different than I think it does, or are you asking us to make jokes about the article? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/02/16 02:36 PM |
| 3 | Q4Men: Are you okay with women using toys during or after sex?Pulling out a vibe isn't exactly normative, so reactions are unpredictable. (I've never been in the situation where a woman pulls out a vibe, so I'm not that sure how I'd react.) At the same time, there are women who are reluctant to try masturbating at all. I imagine openly using a vibe is a pretty big hurdle for them. You mentioned concern about the man feeling emasculated, and possibly uncomfortable conversations about performance are reasonably likely. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/01/16 05:16 PM |
| 6 | Q4Men: Are you okay with women using toys during or after sex?There's all kinds of communication and trust issues associated with pulling the vibe out secretly after the fact. That kind of deception is quite disturbing. It's going to leave the guy wondering. Ideally it would be something that can happen openly (and maybe during), but there's all kinds of sensitivities involved. Failing that, something like a massaging shower head that offers better deniability would be a more tactful option. It's never come up, but there's a suprisingly large boundary in m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/01/16 04:56 PM |
| 1 | Enforcing Quality in the Manosphere... what are good mechanisms for enforcing quality in the manosphere? As reluctant as I am to make things personal, as a first step, you could stop being so entitled. "The manosphere" doesn't just exist so that you can feel good about yourself or it. Projecting your aspirations onto other people and asking the world to change just so you can feel good is the sort of thing that SJWs are rightly criticized for. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/01/16 04:03 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Blue pill types are contemptuous towards men who won't eat pussy, yet love defending the right of women to not do anal/oral/etc.FWIW, bonobos do anal and oral, but don't AFAIK don't watch porn. Obviously humans aren't bonobos, but they are pretty close. So to make these claims of "it's unnatural" credible, please back them up with stronger evidence. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/01/16 03:43 AM |
| 5 | Women, entitlement in relationships, and how this relates to nice guys.... I think women enjoy being the victim so much that they will stay in an 'one-sided' relationship just so they can continue being a victim. And you think men don't? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/01/16 08:53 PM |
| 1 | what does equal mean to you?[Equality] depends on the context. Workplace equality is different from legal equality, which is different from social equality, which is different from relationship equality ... That's a tacit admission that equality is a fundamentally subjective notion. In other words, if equality is contextual, people won't agree about what 'equal' means, and the phrase "I want things to be equal" just means "I want things to be [the way I want]". Of course, there's nothing wrong with wanting social change (o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/01/16 02:00 PM |
| 1 | what does equal mean to you?"In its magnificent equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets, and steal loaves of bread." -- Anatole France To be sure, egalitarianism is a noble ideal. However, this notion of "equality of process" that we have is so manifestly unjust that we have to carve out many exceptions to it in order to make it acceptable. For example, the justice system treats children very differently than it treats adults. ... equal obligations under the law, such as tax… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/01/16 01:45 PM |
| 1 | Askmen poster makes a fantastic post about why men aren't into fictional romances like women are.Not sure what this has to do with the orgasm differential? "One is never served so well as by oneself." -- Charles-Guillaume Etienne I won't speculate about causation, but there's a documented correlation that women who are more proactive during sex have more orgasms. Arguably this trend holds for homosexual and autosexual activity. It's ostensibly part of a larger pattern where men are seen as having more agency and liability than they really do, and women are seen has having less. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/01/16 06:32 PM |
| 1 | Idea: find an accredited evolutionary physiologist and have him do an AMA hereI looked at an Evo Psych paper, where they ran some experiment on college students (which I expect was on the up and up) and then postulated something about the "evolutionary function of humor." When sociologists can't separate culture from biology today, it's hard to give credence about claims regarding the function of things in contexts they can't directly observe. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/16 07:50 PM |
| 3 | Why does everything have to be a competition?Welcome to the wonderful world of scarcity. When resources - like how many shits I have to give - are finite, then there will be competition for those resources. I find [...] frustrating. I hear a lot of their points and I think they are valid and totally worth being recognized, the problem is their need to compare. ... Many people feel that way about feminists any time "we're just asking for equality" comes up. Is it possible to make your point that there needs to be less of a mental health sti… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/01/16 09:26 PM |
| 3 | Movements can only be defined by their actions, not their goals.Equality is not a moral standard. It's a good standard for legal practice. Everyone should be equal under the law. ... "In its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets, and steal loaves of bread." -- Anatole France Egalitarians promote "equality before the law", but 'equality' is a rather vague notion: Is heterosexual marriage equal to homosexual marriage? Are parents equal to their children? Are men equal to women? Are corporations equal … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/01/16 05:54 PM |
| 1 | Does the feminine imperative determine which issues of men's rights are worth discussing and which are hilarious non-issues?There's a law suit for a female draft happening in the US right now. Of course selective service registration has a limited connection to actually getting drafted. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/01/16 05:46 PM |
| 2 | If life gets better for men as they age, why is the highest rate of suicide in men aged 40 to 44?Men don't go up in SMV forever - the male equivalent of the wall hits in the late 30s or early 40s. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/16 06:30 PM |
| 3 | Hey men. Regardless of career. Let's just say you have your dream job. If you have lots of random sex with super hot chicks would it make you happy forever?It's highly unlikely - the hedonic treadmill is real. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/16 01:55 PM |
| 1 | Testosterone will make you red pillYou might want to read up on how men's testosterone levels change on a daily basis, and how they change in response to masturbation. (There might be something hormonal, but unlikely to be testosterone.) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/01/16 08:56 PM |
| 7 | CMV: Feminism is simply female supremacists' way to fly under the radarThey are subjected to abuse now and expected to just deal with it. They weren't then. Can you provide an example? As far as I can tell western society is as sensitive as any in history, and things that we consider abuse today were commonplace not so long ago, and are still widespread in the world. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/01/16 06:00 PM |
| 4 | CMV: Feminism is simply female supremacists' way to fly under the radarThe whole "argument from ignorance" thing notwithstanding, this is garbage in - garbage out thinking. "Feminism" isn't a single monolithic movement with any sort of monolithic motivation or agenda, and pretending that it is will inevitably lead to silly thinking. Really, it seems like feminism has become a word without meaning. People acting and speaking under feminist banners are clearly acting in their own self-interest. What's unclear is whether their motivations are more ulterior and cynical… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/01/16 05:37 PM |
| 15 | CMV: Feminism is simply female supremacists' way to fly under the radar... Feminism was obviously at first about equality, because there was so much equalizing to be done. ... Does "equality" have any objective meaning in that sentence? Typically appeals to equality are appeals to fairness, but calling things unfair is transparently subjective. ... beaten and cheated on and just had to deal with it. ... Right, that's so unfair ... er unequal ... because men are never cheated on or beaten and expected to just deal with it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/01/16 05:00 PM |
| 1 | CMV: False rape accusations make up a great (20-90%) percentage of rape allegations made.But better argue over silly semantics since you can't dispute the actual argument. The argument - such as it is - is a straw man. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man If you honestly believe that what the media choses to cover and that you remember is a reasonable standard for evidence, then you've got serious problems. If you would like to name some you think I've missed, go on Well, there's the whole Bill Cosby thing - how many women was that? Do you think that the 50 women who accused him … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/15 02:01 PM |
| 1 | CMV: False rape accusations make up a great (20-90%) percentage of rape allegations made.I also listed that every rape case to hit the media ... I don't believe it. Can you briefly describe how you did a comprehensive search like that, and what makes you think that it came up with "every rape case to hit the media"? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/15 01:15 PM |
| 3 | Regarding accusations of "misogyny" and appeals to emotion... hasty generalization fallacy using unsubstantiated beliefs to denigrate an entire gender (AWALT). Is AWALT a hasty generalization fallacy, or is it a pragmatic reminder about risks and costs? If you see it one way, then TRP is full of distrust and contempt (in other words misogynist), but from viewed the other perspective, TRP is merely pragmatic. “I'm selfish, impatient and a little insecure. I make mistakes, I am out of control and at times hard to handle. But if you can't handle me at my … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/12/15 06:14 PM |
| 1 | Regarding accusations of "misogyny" and appeals to emotionMisogyny is certainly a term that's thrown around with an intent to make inappropriate emotional appeals. That said TRP advocates limited trust and a certain disregard for requests from women. People who believe that that distrust and disregard is inappropriate will see TRP as advocating contempt toward women - which is also a definition of misogyny. So those people would rightly be calling TRP mysogynist, but, because it's subjective, it's not very persuasive. Basically, it amounts name-calling… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/12/15 05:53 PM |
| 3 | Why is it you almost never see stories like this but with the genders reversed?That's the food chain though: Men defend women defend children. ... Men are ... far more aggressive [than women]. ... Are men really "far more aggressive" than women, or are they provoked more often and more effective at violence? I'm not sure that's even a sensibly testable hypothesis. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/12/15 08:47 PM |
| 2 | Why is it that TRP has a double standard with sex?... why it is okay for red pill men to sleep around and not okay for women to. ... TRP doesn't have an issues with promiscuous women per se. It just doesn't consider them LTR material. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/12/15 08:15 PM |
| 2 | Why is it that TRP has a double standard with sex?Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi. If you can accept that men and women have different sexual and reproductive roles, then it would be very strange indeed not to have different expectations for men and women in that context. Thus a double standard is justified. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/12/15 03:48 PM |
| 4 | Is it misogynist for men to want to give women sexual pleasure?First off, I think it's important to note that the article doesn't say "misogynist," it says "sexist." The words aren't interchangeable ... I agree, but that sort of conflation is a popular rhetorical ploy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/12/15 03:28 PM |
| 1 | A debate on equality... do you think that there is an inequality between Pablo and Manuel? Of course Pablo and Manuels positions aren't equal. This is prima facie true: If they were equal, then we wouldn't have different names and different rules for the positions. Nobody in the story pretends otherwise. Whether Pablo and Manuel are "effectively equal" is subjective. Some people might think that Pablo has it easier - the goalie doesn't have to run as much during the game - and he's riding on Manuel's coattails. Of … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/15 03:00 PM |
| 5 | Should women be aware of implied consent?If the guy sees the toys come out, and doesn't say anything, it's (at least partially) on him. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/15 09:06 PM |
| -1 | Should women be aware of implied consent?.. But she can retract that consent whenever she wants .. You do realize that "whenever she wants" includes after the fact, right? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/15 09:02 PM |
| 6 | Today's Women Have a Higher Average Partner Count than Men right?Gay men much more frequently than gay women though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/15 05:54 PM |
| 6 | Women, what are some female specific issues you'd like society to be aware of?... It's SO annoying, so uncomfortable and just unnecessary. ... is something so easily solved so why not just stop?! You might not be aware of this, but women also catcall men, so catcalling per se is not really a 'female specific' issue. (I imagine homosexual catcalling happens as well.) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/15 11:56 PM |
| 1 | Men, what are some male specific issues you'd like society to be aware of?.. The male equivalent of a cougar is what... a creeper? .. A man. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/15 06:40 PM |
| 1 | Has feminism failed women?Feminism is what made that two income trap possible, though. ... What does the word "feminism" mean, as you used it in that sentence? Does that kind of feminism have a deliberate purpose or agenda? If so, what is that purpose or agenda, and if not, how does it make sense to talk about "feminism" failing? I'll reiterate: People - in particular TRP advocates - talk about "feminism" as if that word means something specific and consistent but without context the term is so vague that it's basically … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/15 01:29 PM |
| 1 | Discussion: Importance of Makeup on AttractivenessI see what I want to see. For most people it's easy to focus on the things I like, or the things you don't to support whatever bias I started with. When I'm having a bad day, everyone is hideous, and on a good day the world is full of beauty and charm. That said, once, the local boxing gym I was going to had a 'dressy' event and the female regulars showed up in dresses and make up. They drew much more of my attention when they were working the jump rope or the bags. Squats and dead lifts can be … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/15 04:45 PM |
| 1 | Has feminism failed women?People love to pretend that feminism is a clear specific term, that feminists are a monolithic and organized group, and that various aspects of modern society are exclusively consequences of that movement as if this mythical group can simply pull magic levers to cause change. There is a lot of supposition here: What is 'feminism'? Are the modern social ills a consequence of feminism? What is the standard of success or failure for 'feminism'? If you look at - say - Elizabeth Warren's discussion o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/15 04:34 PM |
| 6 | Scenario for discussion regarding unwanted/ unplanned pregnancy... These laws were put into place to try and stop the wave of single mothers getting left in the lurch to raise children all on their own with no help from deadbeat dads. ... When did this 'wave of single mothers' take place, and what laws were passed in response? My impression is that, rather than being a response to a crisis, the practice of assigning paternal liability is part of English common law that was brought to the US. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knobstick_wedding ) You want all me… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/12/15 06:59 PM |
| 12 | Scenario for discussion regarding unwanted/ unplanned pregnancyCurrently, in the US, the woman gets to do whatever she wants 100%, and the man is liable if she keeps the baby. Does that seem any more just to you? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/12/15 04:59 PM |
| 3 | CMV: AWALT is sexistIf you don't think someone is suitable for a job, you don't hire them. That seems like a sensible decision to me. People get hired (or not) based on all kinds of subjective judgements all the time. FWIW, that's not an example of an ethical judgement. The ethical judgement happens when someone decides that the hiring manager's policy is "right" or "wrong". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/15 05:25 PM |
| 2 | Swallowing the feminine imperativeWhat you're proposing is nonsense: For example, these two don't go together: ... respect every woman in your life ... never judge [a woman's] past ... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/15 03:38 PM |
| 1 | Power corrupts?... I wouldn't say that power corrupts with high probability there, at all. Hmm.. Never run into spoiled children, have you? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/15 03:06 PM |
| 3 | CMV: AWALT is sexist... It's when value judgements are made using these stereotypes designed to insult and denigrate, that's where the sexism part comes in. ... This is more of the same semantic game or confusion. People keep writing a bunch of different versions of "AWALT attitudes are (ethically) wrong" and expect it to be persuasive, but ethics are subjective, and the stock TRP response is "so what? In my experience, all people are somewhat venal and capricious, and men have the same sorts of AWALT foibles that … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/15 02:49 PM |
| 1 | Double standards regarding looksIt's not a double standard about looks. Rather, it's a double standard about mockery: There are few topics where it's more acceptable to mock women than men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/12/15 04:37 PM |
| 1 | Why do some feminists and BPers react negatively to the idea that men are expendable?Does this undermine the idea that genders are equal? Even worse, it undermines the narrative that men are recipients of pure privilege and that men enjoy infinite agency. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/12/15 04:29 PM |
| 2 | Do you think the dating market for college educated folk, is altered in any significant way from men giving up on relationships? (NOT MGTOW!)I realize. I'm just saying it could be the norm in the future. That's profoundly unlikely. Education is one of the things that gets people lock into the 'two income trap.' Without heavy structural change only very wealthy single income families will be able to afford high quality education. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/12/15 04:21 PM |
| 1 | Wasn't women working the inevitable outcome because of how our society is?The question is a bit circular: "[Is our society the way it is] because of how our society is the way it is?" There's a decent range of female labor force participation rates in western countries ranging from 40% in Italy to 62% in Switzerland and Canada. So there's clearly some kind of flexibility within the social structure. ... There is no chance they would just accept to raise the wages if women stopped working. ... The extra income from working women has been more than offset by increases i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/12/15 04:11 PM |
| 1 | Is the Redpill linked to Anglosaxon / American culture?What we call a gym in the US would be a Sporthalle or a Fitnesszentrum in Germany. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/15 04:27 PM |
| 2 | Is the Redpill linked to Anglosaxon / American culture?In the US families are basically having problems with costs for health care, education, housing, and transportation. (There's also child care and retirement.) For various reasons, those are all much easier to deal with in Germany. A lot of the issues that we perceive as gender issues can be seen as consequences of an economic failure - that the resources for having a stable family are becoming much more scarce. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/15 03:23 PM |
| 1 | Comparison of Ancient Roman law vs Modern American Laws for Gender Relations: Did ancient Rome hold TRP view (as did every other powerful empire in recorded history) ?"Clamo ergo sum" - I cry, therefore I am Please. Feminists are always crying. That's hardly evidence of anything beyond the existence of feminists and their ability to cry. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/15 01:54 PM |
| 1 | CMV: TRP justifications for their hypocrisy has no bearing in real lifeThat being said, I notice that this definition of a "slut" has very little to do with a woman's sexual history/partner count and more to do with her personality traits. ... This is written with the pretense that "personality trait" and "behaviour" are disperate things. A very realistic example would be something like a date with a genuinely nice, good looking, and funny girl will most likely be romantically ruined for TRP men once they discover that she had sex with 30 people in college, or some… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/15 01:39 PM |
| 2 | "...If you think you're going to be happy without any women in your life, chances are you won't be - at least not if you're family orientated. Love 'em or hate 'em, ya need 'em - and they need you even more."... a fundamental distrust and anxiety when it comes to women that doesn't really exist in the typical male's mind ... Can you explain what you mean by "typical male"? There's a long history and large body of cultural work about men not trusting women, and women abusing men's trust. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/11/15 04:26 PM |
| 1 | The Myth of Biology driving unfair laws towards men in the Western world: TRP vs BP thoughts on this issue!"Lying" implies deliberate deception. Many people who swallow the cool-aid really believe what they write or say. How does the "Effects of Humor... " paper speak to human evolution? It tests the relationship between humor and mate selection on a narrow sample of present day people and then assumes - without justification - that humor has had similar impact on mate selection in all of humanity for a long time. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/15 03:58 PM |
| 1 | The Myth of Biology driving unfair laws towards men in the Western world: TRP vs BP thoughts on this issue!... the law of the land should be fair and equitable. That's a phrase that feels good to say or read, but doesn't really mean anything: often people go to court precisely because they don't agree about what is "fair and equitable." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/15 03:12 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Everything anyone ever does, ever, serves their survival or reproductive instinctsDrug use is pretty clearly tied to social, survival and reproductive drives. It's one of many examples where an external force is 'hacking' the instinctual mechanisms. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/15 03:06 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Everything anyone ever does, ever, serves their survival or reproductive instinctsYour argument applies to all organisms, not just humans. So let's start with a counterexample: Are you familiar with the zombie fungus? ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ophiocordyceps_unilateralis ) Here's an unjustified leap in your argument: Let's stipulate for a moment survival and reproductive instincts inform all of our thoughts and actions. That doesn't necessarily mean that all of our thoughts and actions serve our survival and reproductive instincts. There are further leaps to get to the … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/15 03:00 PM |
| 1 | Realtalk time: Give up pornWhat's the old saying about love and war? If being around women is just going to make someone angry and frustrated, without any tangible benefit then it makes sense to avoid them. By all means, pretend that mate selection is purely cooperative, and see how far that gets you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/11/15 04:10 PM |
| 1 | Realtalk time: Give up porn"If your enemy is secure at all points, be prepared for him. If he is in superior strength, evade him. If your opponent is temperamental, seek to irritate him. Pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant. If he is taking his ease, give him no rest. If his forces are united, separate them. Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected." -- Sun Tzu | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/11/15 03:20 PM |
| 3 | Visceral reaction to Obamacare BoyGuy seems pretty average. Kind of a strange pose. "Talk about getting health insurance" is kind of a pathetic message. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/11/15 03:12 PM |
| 4 | CMV: The tone present on TRP DOES matter as criticism since it represents emotions that influence ideas"... how do I know you're not biased?" Life experience is inherently subjective, so everyone is biased. Moreover, the nature of communication requires value judgements, which are also manifestly biased. If you really believe that mere bias is sufficient to discount an opinion, you're going to have a rough time. I couldn't care less about "fair" but ad hominem can be a valid criticism when the speaker has some kind of personal involvement and is speaking to matters of fact or observation. However… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/11/15 07:26 PM |
| 1 | Which kind of an anti-feminist are you?The cartoon is missing a "straw man anti-feminist". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man "... The so-called typical "attacking a straw man" argument creates the illusion of having completely refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition by covertly replacing it with a different proposition (i.e., "stand up a straw man") and then to refute or defeat that false argument ("knock down a straw man") instead of the original proposition ..." Mostly, my problems with feminism are that the "equality j… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/11/15 04:11 PM |
| 1 | TRP victim blames men.I see that post as someone complaining about the lack of blame that happens in /r/TRP. So, u/IllimitableMan cares about blame, but he's complaining because (according to him) /r/TRP is too venal and shallow to engage in the higher pursuit of blaming people: Their opinions on life and women are basically some retarded flow chart: Do you lift brah? (Yes/No) No? - If not go lift brah Do you get laid brah? (Yes/No?) - If not go tinder brah. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/15 02:01 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Sexual Market Value is not very useful metric, and Relationship Market Value would be better for most circumstancesThat depends on what the aspirations are, doesn't it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/11/15 04:12 PM |
| 2 | TRP victim blames men."Good? Bad? I'm the guy with the gun!" - Ash, Army of Darkness TRP doesn't care about blame. Pointing fingers is anathema to the sort of pragmatism and agency that TRP espouses. When someone writes "TRP blames [whatever] " that's a conflation of moral or ethical judgement with TRP's amorality. Blame is the same sort of fairy tale as moral wrong. An ill-defined notion convenient for social leverage or avoiding more nuanced or pragmatic ideas. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/11/15 03:56 PM |
| 3 | Slut-shaming is regulationWe're talking about religions like Christianity, not what some backwards society considered adultery. Judaism's definition of adultery is still indifferent to the marital status of the man, or maybe you'd prefer Islam where all extramarital sex is adultery. The notion of adultery is varied and nuanced. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/15 05:04 PM |
| 2 | Slut-shaming is regulationAdultery is not a well-defined term. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adultery " ...In the early Roman Law, the jus tori belonged to the husband. It was therefore not a crime against the wife for a husband to have sex with a slave or an unmarried woman. ..." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/15 04:23 PM |
| 1 | Free Speech Dying due to Political CorrectnessDo you think that the 'freedom of speech' includes a right to publication and dissemination? Sure, this guy is entitled to his opinion, but does the BBC have an obligation to broadcast it across the world? What about every other fuckwit? Are you going to require the BBC to broadcast messages from every global warming denier, anti-vaxer, and seventh-day-adventist too? This question might not be so easy as it seems when you consider that the government issues broadcast monopoly licenses (and that … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/15 03:31 PM |
| 1 | Free Speech Dying due to Political CorrectnessAlmost did a 'spit take' on that too. Though, in context it does seem reasonably clear that he meant public breastfeeding, and that claim isn't quite as absurd. (Mostly because the modern notion of 'public' is, in itself, unnatural.) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/15 03:14 PM |
| 1 | Why should "respect for women" and "fairness to women" matter in TRP? *repost*That's a rather insensitive perspective. Are you ready to claim that every social advantage that men experience is "male privilege" while every one that women get is "benevolent sexism?" It is surely the case that men often have more agency than women in our society, but men also have more liability to go with that agency. Even the interpretation of the claims is biased. It's like you think that the expectations for men are convenient and easy to meet, and that only the standards for women are u… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/15 02:56 PM |
| 1 | Are women the 'gatekeepers' of sex, and can have sex whenever they want?I don't know about 20 % of men having 80 % of the sex, but genetic research suggests that people today have about twice as many different female ancestors as male ancestors. ( Genetic evidence for unequal effective population sizes of human females and males.” Molecular Biology and Evolution 21: 2047-2057 ) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/15 01:42 PM |
| 1 | When Is It OK To Be Alone With Another Person's Spouse: Thoughts on this article?... I think it's pretty obvious if your partner is cheating on you. Humans are especially adapted to confuse each other about that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_ovulation | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/11/15 03:14 PM |
| 1 | Q4TRP: How can I get men to see me as an equal?TRP is opposed to it, but men in general. There's an old bumper sticker: "Will work for food. Will beg for sex." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/11/15 02:49 PM |
| 2 | Q4TRP: How can I get men to see me as an equal?TL;DR: I don't want to be a target of "game" or unwanted sexual advances. What should I do? The other day, while I was walking down the street, a beggar asked me for money. I don't like it when beggars ask me for money, what should I do? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/11/15 02:30 PM |
| 2 | What would it take for men to value commitment on the same level women do?What changes could be made to "cure" men's commitment issues? It seems like an attitude adjustment could help : Why is it that if a woman is unhappy with how the relationship is going, it's the guy that has issues? If friend of mine wants his girlfriend to be more open to, say, oral sex, I don't say that she's got oral sex issues. It would, of course, help a lot if there were clarity and openness about relationship roles and expectations, but requires confidence and self-awareness that people ge… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/11/15 08:40 PM |
| 1 | CMV:Women are responsible for most slut shaming... Women often use sex as a bargaining tool for commitment, which is why the slut threatens them. She devalues the value of pussy. I think it's actually the other way around: The woman doing the "slut shaming" is committing a slander of sorts to reduce the SMV of the purported slut. That "Slut shaming" is not about stopping the slut, but rather about keeping men (or a specific man) away from the purported slut, and, more importantly, to keep the men from investing resources in her. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/11/15 04:00 PM |
| 1 | What are your thoughts on men's ability as shown below to fuck over women's lives so easily? How would you avoid such a situation?... men are much more likely to commit violent crimes. That's probably true, but society has a different standard of criminality for men and women, and male violence is more likely to have dire consequences. From Wikipedia. " ... The study suggests that while women are far more prone to be the sole offender, reciprocal violence where both partners use violence has higher frequency of serious injuries, and that these injuries more often have female victims than male." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/11/15 02:49 PM |
| 5 | What's your opinion on The Safe Campus Act?... does it seem like there's so much push back from this because ... assume guilt when someone reports sexual assault? .... The level of push back seems commensurate with the scope of the issue, and the issue is legitimate. The courts are there to handle situations where other resolution methods have proven unsatisfactory. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/11/15 06:21 PM |
| 1 | Rating thread #83172: Average-looking (yes, seriously) folksThe asymmetry of the eyes freaks me out in that picture too. Basically, it seems like a deformity to me, so I would say that most of the women at my local pubs have more attractive faces than her. For what it's worth, it's common for people to react very differently to unusual facial features like that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/11/15 05:15 PM |
| 3 | Is life really rough for women? If so, is it a lot rougher than a man's life?I think it's more accurate to say that women have it different. If we stipulate for a moment that men and women are different, then it could easily be the case that male social roles are easier for men, and female social roles are easier for women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/11/15 04:59 PM |
| 1 | Rating thread #83172: Average-looking (yes, seriously) folksI understand that tastes vary, but I look at that picture and I get a little queasy: Look at how differently each of her eyes and her mouth are sloped relative to her nose. That really clashes with how symmetric her cheekbones, brow and jawline are. Depending on the shot, models tend to look like freakish space aliens or like beautiful women to me. This one is more on the space alien side. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/11/15 04:29 PM |
| 2 | I'm a bonafide misogynist. AMAHow do you feel about all the abuse of the term 'misogynist' in rhetoric? Also, what are your bona fides? This is the internets - you might be secretly be Simone de Bouvoir trolling us from the grave. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/15 06:56 PM |
| 1 | I support feminism. AMA.You've said in other comments that you're understanding is that feminism is a movement revolving around equality for women. In general, people say that they're for "equality for women", but they also don't expect everyone to be bisexual. How do you distinguish between settings where "equal treatment" is called for, and settings where it's not? How do you decide whether some change would make things more "equal for women" or less "equal for women"? What benefits do you predict from making things … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/15 06:50 PM |
| 5 | What does one of the top upvoted posts on TRP right now have to do with theory, self improvement, or getting women?"That word. I don not think it means what you think it means." -- Inigo Mantoya, The Princess Bride Could you provide the definition of 'male chauvinism' that you're using, and then explain how you think the post qualifies as an example of it? Sure, the post could be seen as a straw man argument against feminism, but there are certainly self-identified feminists who are also hypocritical in the way that the post describes. For that matter, why do you automatically assume that the purported faceb… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/15 03:17 PM |
| 2 | Young women receive more pay, degrees, and scholarships than men. What is society doing to correct this inequality?The whole practice of combining semi professional sports teams and post-secondary education is absurd. Probably not quite as bad as employer-controlled retirement and health care plans, but close. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/15 12:34 PM |
| 1 | Do you think that intentionally giving false hopes to someone about a relationship is a horrible thing to do?Horrible or not, it seems to be human nature: Humans are one of a relatively small number of mammal species with hidden ovulation. We actually have special adaptations that help us be deceptive in relationships. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/09/15 12:23 PM |
| 1 | Is the difference between "pedestalizing" a woman and making her feel special the level of attraction of the men doing this behavior?"Putting someone on a pedestal" refers to how some person feels about a third party. Making someone feel special refers to how a person feels about themselves. They are fundamentally different notions. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/15 04:09 PM |
| 1 | Why are men these days obsessed with anal sex? Do they even like women?I've been told that gay men tend to do other stuff like oral and intercrural sex more often. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/15 08:30 PM |
| 1 | Discuss: Is it abuse for a man to threaten divorce over no sex?If you are not happy you are entitled to end the marriage. Sure, but when there is a civil contract, you can sue for breach of contract, and there is a wide variety in levels of breach. There are minor, material, and fundamental breaches, each with their own remedies and recourses. When someone unilaterally repudiates a contract, that's very different than dissolving a contract in response to a fundamental breach in terms of liability and recourse. Similarly if marriage is a contract, then we ca… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/15 03:51 PM |
| 1 | Discuss: Is it abuse for a man to threaten divorce over no sex?It is part of the contract of marriage. ... Is it really? That's not really an idle question: the institution of marriage in larger society - at least in the US - doesn't really provide clarity on what marital obligations are. For example, we could say that the contract of marriage is an exchange of reproductive exclusivity against material support. (This might be a cynical view, but doesn't seem prima facie outrageous.) From that perspective, the husband is not entitled to sex with the wife, bu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/15 02:31 PM |
| 4 | Discuss: Is it abuse for a man to threaten divorce over no sex?It's really not just 'blue', but human nature. If you look around, it's very easy to see all kinds of structural iniquity, but the things that people get upset about are often relatively insubstantial. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/15 02:03 PM |
| 1 | This place is just one big ad hominem/guilt by association fest.Ad hominem is definitely a thing, there are RPillers that say that women shouldn't be talking about these issues because they can't be honest about them. In general, TRP claims that women aren't telling the truth about 'factual' things - like motivation and behavior, and in that context ad hominem can be logically sound. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem "... Ad hominem reasoning is not always fallacious, for example, when it relates to the credibility of statements of fact or when used i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/09/15 03:33 PM |
| 1 | Why do people have impractical and irrational standards?"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." -- George Bernard Shaw Honestly, people want what they want, and are frequently confused or lying to themselves. For example fashion goods are deliberately designed to be a money sink - so having them makes a pretty good proxy for material wealth. And, as the Dutchess of Windsor said, "You can never be too rich or too ski… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/09/15 02:48 PM |
| 3 | If women are as sexual and rational as men, why can't you ask them for sex directly?Men can and do directly ask women for sex. The question is - ostensibly - really something more like "why is it socially unacceptable for men to directly ask women for sex?" Historically procreation is a much bigger commitment for the woman than it is for the man. Things are, of course, much more complex, and sex doesn't directly mean procreation, but how would you feel if someone walked up to you and asked you to give up half your income for the next year? How does that compare to the cost of r… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/09/15 01:40 PM |
| 1 | Any history-making women?Hanna Reitsch, Emmy Noether, Lise Meitner, Rosalind Franklin, Irene Curie ... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/09/15 08:15 PM |
| 2 | TRPers, sorry if I am misunderstanding you, but do some of you think there is a moral difference between genders?Typically, TRP sees itself as amoral - there is no interest in morality and there are no moral judgement. From the TRP perspective debating about moral differences is a bit like debating whether Santa Claus shows up before or after midnight. ... deserve the same amount of respect and dignity? ... What units are respect and dignity measured in, or, if you can't measure it outside of a specific context how do you test the respect or dignity of two people against each other to see which one has mor… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/09/15 01:43 PM |
| 1 | Feminist/SJW double standards: analysis and examples.This is getting circular. That said, the irony is delicious. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/09/15 03:57 PM |
| 1 | Feminist/SJW double standards: analysis and examples.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/09/15 02:24 PM |
| 2 | Feminist/SJW double standards: analysis and examples.You know that SJWs aren't a real group right? ... Yes, it would probably be more accurate to describe SJW as a rhetorical tactic. (I'm not sure if there's a more specific term than 'red herring' to describe it. It's certainly a tried and true tactic.) Basically, the SJW gambit is to present something emotionally upsetting, and then demand that said emotional upset be ameliorated by following the writer's (or speaker's) agenda. SJWs distinguish themselves from other groups that use this tactic by… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/09/15 02:23 PM |
| 2 | Feminist/SJW double standards: analysis and examples.In common usage, the phrase 'double standard' implies hypocrisy or injustice, but having different standards or expectations for men and women is consistent with the belief that men and women have different courtship goals and strategies, and the notion of justice is subjective. So, yes, TRP has double standards for men and women, but so what. N.B.: This is an open forum. Anyone who wants to see a thread on a particular topic can make one. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/09/15 01:26 PM |
| 2 | What is "Romance?"If that was strictly true, then you could just give a girl a check and have her on retainer, like a lawyer. lol. Nope, they want access to any future revenue streams as well. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/09/15 07:56 PM |
| 2 | Why do white men have to let it be known they don't find black women attractiveI'm too lazy to look up the studies, but it's typically the women who are less willing to cross racial boundaries. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv6vdOcehgc&2m48s | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/09/15 05:33 PM |
| 3 | Do incels really exist?The typical notion of incel refers to people who can't get laid as a practical matter. "One woman in the world" typically won't be enough to make that happen. It seems like this is a rhetorical game: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persuasive_definition | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/09/15 05:21 PM |
| 2 | Feminist/SJW double standards: analysis and examples.Indeed. That seems an inherent problem with discussions of morality though, they tend to boil down to axioms. ... Sure, but if you take the moral relativist position, and want to stay self-consistent, then you basically have to agree to disagree with the SJWs about their views on morality, and discuss more pragmatic and practical things. To make a persuasive argument you have to do better than "because I said so" - argue based on pragmatic motivation, logic, or based on facts. For what it's wort… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/09/15 05:02 PM |
| 16 | Feminist/SJW double standards: analysis and examples.... Here's the thing. I was taught that double standards were wrong. I do not like them, at a gut, instinctive level. ... Most likely, that's backwards: Typically, the phrase "double standard" is only applied to things that are perceived as unjust. Do you expect children and adults to behave differently? That's a double standard too. Of course, because (most of the time) adults and children are clearly different, nobody has any problem applying the same standards to them. ... I will give some ex… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/09/15 03:48 PM |
| 5 | Do incels really exist?Do you really think that everyone on /r/foreveralone is there voluntarily? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/09/15 02:22 PM |
| 2 | Hypocrisy of Opposition to Legalized ProstitutionThat description doesn't really line up with the facts. Prostitution is legal in Germany, and has been for a long time. (It was illegal in East Germany.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Germany | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/09/15 05:11 PM |
| 1 | Can an alpha male actually change like we see in the movies?It's pretty obvious that "the media" mess with everyone. Most modern mass media content is advertising or advertising driven; thus created with the open and deliberate intent to manipulate people, and a lot of it explicitly targets women. A much tougher question is how much unrealistic aspirations drive media, and how much the media drives unrealistic aspirations. Consider, for example that, '50 Shades' became a best seller by appealing to something that was already in the population, rather tha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/09/15 02:20 PM |
| 1 | Why are men less upset?Hmm, I guess I know which one of those is less upsetting to everyone else. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/09/15 07:33 PM |
| 4 | Why are men less upset?Yeah, I should probably pick some lighter examples. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/09/15 04:25 PM |
| 6 | Why are men less upset?is that because men are in reality less upset or because they have been socialised ... That's a false dichotomy. For example, people who have developed effective coping mechanisms in response to social stimulus will be less upset. The notion of "less upset" is also terribly imprecise. When I was young, my sister killed my pet hamster by putting it in a sock and slamming it on the floor, and a few years ago I say a guy on a razor scooter get killed in a collision with a car. Both were profoundly … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/09/15 04:13 PM |
| 3 | If sex is a mutual act, how can women be "used for sex"?This one is usually called Hanlon's Razor. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/09/15 04:04 PM |
| 3 | If sex is a mutual act, how can women be "used for sex"?It doesn't seem that crazy if you think of it as symmetric as women using men for money. I.e. he just wants her body, and she just wants his money. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/09/15 02:26 PM |
| 3 | If sex is a mutual act, how can women be "used for sex"?It may well be ignorance, rather than dishonesty. (That certainly lines up with youth and inexperience.) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/09/15 02:19 PM |
| 3 | Shouldn't transgender mean someone who moved past with trying to identify with either gender norm rather than someone actively persuing the identy gender opposite their born sex?Welcome to the world of rhetoric. Playing games with definitions is a popular pass time here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stipulative_definition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persuasive_definition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman The trans- prefix comes from the latin for "on the other side". So 'trans-' terms typically deal with a clear separation between two things. "Transcend" is a bit of an exception by being meta - going from a state where there are divisions to one where th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/09/15 02:13 PM |
| 1 | Deregulated SMP and the Economic ConsequencesEmergency Room Care is, by definition, not a market ... Most of the people who end up at the ER, are in fact conscious, chose to go there, and even end up signing consent forms. Moreover, more evidence that going the ER is a market transaction is that, at least in the US, the ER is a service that charges you. Especially in the context of an argument by analogy, it's preposterous to appeal to some definition that hasn't been agreed upon, or even clearly stated. In fact, that smacks of a 'no true … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/09/15 01:00 PM |
| 3 | Are men biologically less sexist than women?Except for XXY men. Those are more sexist since they only have XX, but two XYs'. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/15 06:30 PM |
| 2 | What are some non-physical qualities a woman can do to make herself seem sexually desirable? [self.purplepilldebate]Is the issue here that the man thinks you're boring, or that you think you're boring? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/15 04:03 PM |
| 4 | Unattractive males make average-looking males look more attractive... More data points make a spectrum less confusing, not more. That's not at all true: people will can readily be swayed or confused if we add 'bad' data to a sample of 'good' data. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/15 01:36 PM |
| 1 | Deregulated SMP and the Economic Consequences... Markets are ALWAYS better for pretty much all actors (except the super wealthy) when they are deregulated, and deregulation is awesome: after a period of instability, there's a correction, then everyone ends up happier and more even and more stable. ... That's a right-libertarian fantasy: deregulating markets can easily make things worse for actors with low leverage or low information. Let's suppose, for example, that we deregulate our market for emergency room care. Do we really think that … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/15 01:25 PM |
| 4 | Deregulated SMP and the Economic ConsequencesPlummeting population growth and an aging population puts all kinds of nasty pressure on the economy. For example, it's the single largest factor in 'insolvency' of social security. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/08/15 07:51 PM |
| 1 | Redpillers: do you dislike overly confident women?Do people ever get tired of these rhetorical games? Conflating the "overly confident" in the headline with the "confident and sure" in the body of the text makes me think OP has an agenda. Generally, "overly confident" refers to people who are socially presumptuous. That can be very unattractive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/08/15 12:44 PM |
| 3 | Why do terpers take such an issue with 'supposed female hypergamy'?It's very difficult for people to be objective about themselves. Meanwhile the the 1-10 beauty scale and the notion of intelligence are both somewhat subjective and ill-defined. Claims like that aren't necessarily false, but they're not particularly credible. "In god we trust. Everyone else has to bring data." -- Edward Demming | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/15 08:06 PM |
| 1 | If gender roles are bad, is culture also bad? Why or why not?The feminist case here is an obvious straw man. Inferring causation from simple correlation is a post hoc fallacy. There's a bit of ipse dixit: brazenly asserting that girls and women are not encouraged to participate in math or the sciences. The jump to oppression at the end is a complete non sequitor. There is compelling evidence that sex or gender linked behavior is both congenital and learned. If sexual identity is purely learned, then what kind of stimulus causes people to be transsexual (o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/15 07:50 PM |
| 3 | If gender roles are bad, is culture also bad? Why or why not?I think /u/bluehorseinvincible is trying to illustrate the hipocrisy of people who assert that sex roles are purely social constructs and also that transexualism and homosexuality are congenital. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/15 06:45 PM |
| 2 | How to fix low-effort postingIf the system is deliberately set up to give minority or controversial opinions a stronger voice, then suggestion #1 goes against that idea. It's just as likely that we'll see "ankle-deep" confirmation bias in the discussion of the week thread as elsewhere. It's probably not practical and it has drawbacks, but if I wanted to encourage people to take more care with their posts and comments, I would make them more scarce or valuable, for example by adding a cool-off period after each post or comme… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/15 06:34 PM |
| 2 | If women like dangerous bad boys and don't care about reliability or class, then why don't women love catcalls?... If women like dominant assholes, why don't we swoon over guys being like "Lemme fuck that ass!" from their car window? Does anyone really think that some guy leaning out of a car window shouting, and running is 'being dominant'? TRP plays fast and loose with definitions, but the 'call and run' scenario you describe is not what people would normally consider a dominant or assertive behavior. Consider, for example, what 'dominant body language' typically means, and how that lines up with the p… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/15 01:35 PM |
| 1 | flair:'Science' NSFW: I've formed a "theory" about female sexuality and sexual orientation, and would love to have your opinions.Maybe the "science" flair should be replaced with something like "real data." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/15 05:10 PM |
| 3 | With all the knowledge they have, why can't TRP actually give good advice on how to live the bachelor/player lifestyle that involves sleeping with attractive women? Why no information on there about it?Two players, so you need to include "select start" ;) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/15 04:56 PM |
| 1 | Why do TRPillers blame the beta behaviors of some people on culture ?The 'biotroofs' narrative is that current western gender relations are some kind of abberation, and that men who are dissatisfied with the way things are going can be happier by appealing to more primal factors. The suggestion that there is more to mating strategy than 'alphaness' runs counter to that narrative so it's not mentioned so often. At least nominally, TRPers do acknowledge that male reproductive strategy has some kind of mixed equilibrium optimum and that other approaches will become … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/15 03:32 PM |
| 0 | Is it okay to be hypocritical when looking for a relationship?When aren't people allowed to be hypocritical? For what it's worth "hypocrisy" is really more about saying one thing and doing another, or unrealistic self-image, than about double standards. It's a term that's seen its share of abuse in the interest of ad hominem rhetoric. (There's an argument that being anti-LTR and also having prescriptions for LTRs is somewhat hypocritical, but it's very weak, and I don't think that that's what this is about.) As for the notion of 'double standards' in relat… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/15 03:00 PM |
| 1 | Slightly offtopic: Which pill do you think downvotes posts moreIt seems strange to me that people are willing to make the effort to downvote a cogent comment, but can't be bothered to respond to the same comment. I suppose that makes sense if it's a defense mechanism or something. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/15 03:52 PM |
| 1 | Slightly offtopic: Which pill do you think downvotes posts moreDunno. I often can't be assed to post a response. Of course, I can't be assed to downvote either. <Shrug> | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/15 02:22 PM |
| 3 | How does a woman determine her SMV?... Men value commitment the way women value sex. Conversely, men may fake commitment availability the same way that women fake sexual availability. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/15 01:15 PM |
| 3 | What is your alternative to evo psych for explaining patterns of human behavior?In general TRP's appeals to evolutionary theory are arguments from ignorance. Basically they're the mirror image of "everything is a social construct" approach. Just as it's clear that some things are biological, there are things - like language - that are clearly social. Without evidence, it's premature to assume that it's one or the other. Moreover, an explanation for a phenomenon isn't evidence that it exists. (Dirac explained magnetic monopoles with great precision 70 years ago, and we're st… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/15 05:49 PM |
| 1 | Devil's advocate for feminismAny discussion that relies on ill-defined labels is going to be rife with fallacies tied to definitions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persuasive_definition | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/08/15 10:06 PM |
| 4 | Why do you think women say they want "nice guys" ?I think that women talk about "nice guys" because they have little concrete insight into what they actually want, and "nice" is a conveniently vague term. Do you want to eat nice meals, drive a nice car, work a nice job, and live in a nice house? Of course. But that doesn't actually tell you anything about what the meals, car, job or house are like, or if those expectations are sensible or reasonable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/15 07:31 PM |
| 2 | There's a lot of talk about men opting out of marriage/MGTOW but it looks like South Korea has WGTOWI don't know anything about Korea in particular, but I think it's largely a symptom of a culture where the expected standard of living is out of line with what's sustainable or sensible on a large scale. As people are encouraged to work longer and longer hours and carry more and more debt in the interest of 'economic growth', other aspects of their lives and society suffer. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/15 07:13 PM |
| 2 | If black women are so undesirable, then why am I here, why do I exist?FWIW it seems that men care less about the race of their partners than women do: http://faculty.chicagobooth.edu/emir.kamenica/documents/racialPreferences.pdf Attitudes about interracial relationships in the US are also still shifting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Public_opinion_of_interracial_marriage_in_the_United_States.png It's pretty apparent that gender roles vary a bit in the various sub-cultures, and TRP, in particular, has idealized norms that are probably less compatible with the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/15 01:51 PM |
| 2 | Can TRP admit that masculinist societies are hell on earth?FWIW Spartan women were quite liberated by the standards of the time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_ancient_Sparta | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/08/15 02:25 AM |
| 1 | TRP: Are biotruths applicable to issues faced by men?These issues are all about the interaction of men with society. Isolating either social structure or male behavior is nonsensical. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/15 04:29 PM |
| 3 | How can women claim to be capable of love for their partner??Boobs are nice, but they're really for children. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/15 04:20 PM |
| 5 | Feminist against ending violence against everyoneSo is remembering the Holocaust racist against non-Jews? In 1994, "Holocaust Rememberance Week" coincided with the Rwandan Genocide. At my university, as part of the festivities, "Never Again!" banners were hung on the walls, registers of names were read, and the happenings in Africa were ignored. You can draw your own conclusions. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/15 12:52 AM |
| 1 | It's Not Misogyny or Smelly, Disheveled Male Nerds Keeping Women Out of STEM [The Register]Simon Baron-Cohen has some interesting theories on the topic. As usual, you should bring your own salt. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/08/15 11:35 PM |
| 4 | It's Not Misogyny or Smelly, Disheveled Male Nerds Keeping Women Out of STEM [The Register]It was probably Tim Hunt - a recent Nobel Laureate, and he was apparently quoted out of context. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/08/15 11:30 PM |
| 1 | BP, is it internalized sexism when women always want the man to be taller than them?... such as placing shorter men in leading romantic roles in movies ... As far as I'm aware male leads in Hollywood have a relatively typical height range. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/08/15 04:07 PM |
| 1 | BP, is it internalized sexism when women always want the man to be taller than them?The part that most short guys take offense to is the fact that you literally cannot do anything to change your height. There is no exercise or medical procedure to alter height. FWIW, that's not entirely accurate. Cosmetic limb lengthening is a thing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/15 08:00 PM |
| 7 | Why is it that, the most 'Red Pilled' people are often the most successful?It's easy to get laid if you're rich and famous. Why should we believe 'red pill' notions have anything to do with it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/15 06:04 AM |
| 1 | Does the game really get easier for guys in America as they get older? Explain college!Typically, a man reaches peak attractiveness in his mid-30s. We can speculate about why it's true, but it's generally accepted as truth. (http://socionist.blogspot.com/2011/11/male-attractiveness-over-time.html) Women peak earlier, so it's a bit strange to experience the shift in the "balance of attractiveness." College guys have - by default - a higher contact rate, but that's something that can be managed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/15 05:57 AM |
| 2 | Female strategic response to TRP & PUA... Could take up to 3 months to find the right guy. If she knows what she wants, she should be willing to wait for it, right? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/15 01:38 AM |
| 3 | Is it possible that some of what gets called misogyny/sexism is actually equal treatment and women aren't used to that?Equality under law and equality of opportunity is important. Equality can't exist between classes that are fundamentally different: In a bee hive, do the queen, workers, and drones have 'equality of opportunity'? Appealing to equality is intellectually convenient, but, at least in some contexts, the notion of equality between the sexes is clearly unrealistic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFBOQzSk14c Contexts where the sexes aren't manifestly unequal are often informed by situations that are. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/15 01:33 PM |
| 7 | Is it possible that some of what gets called misogyny/sexism is actually equal treatment and women aren't used to that?I'm not sure equal treatment is possible. The ever-popular quote from Brown v Board of Education is "Separate but equal is inherently unequal." If we accept the hypothesis that men and women have fundamentally different life experiences (and there is some good evidence that that's true independent of social norms) then it really doesn't make sense to talk about 'equal treatment'. This view makes things complicated because it means that an (effectively arbitrary) value system has to be invoked to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/08/15 09:03 PM |
| 1 | CMV: The definition of the alpha maleIn the context of TRP, the "alpha" thing is basically circular: "Alphas" get into relationships with particular gender dynamics, and behaviors that lead to those gender dynamics are called 'alpha'. Unless you hope to have conjugal relations with a gorilla these appeals to (non-human) primate anthropology are largely inappropriate for your personal life. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/08/15 02:56 PM |
| 4 | Can you put a positive spin on RP Tactics?Interpersonal power is a zero sum game. If it's really true that "many red pill tactics simply are destructive" what are say, three, of those tactics, and what kind of destruction do they wreak? Politically, we're taught to chase agency, but decision making is strenuous. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decision_fatigue ) You don't have to be a pushover to be sensitive and considerate in your decision making - you just have to be aware of the other person's wants and needs. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/08/15 02:30 PM |
| 3 | The Blue Pillers don't attack TRP because they don't want men to escape the "feminine imperative" and stop being disposableMost people who "attack" TRP because it makes them uncomfortable in some way or because it's a convenient place to unload some baggage - just like any other sort of attack, the primary motivation is more emotional than intellectual. (This is human nature.) There are, to be sure, valid critiques of TRP, but most of the people who argue (on all sides) are more wrapped up in how they feel than anything else. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/15 03:16 PM |
| 2 | Men - are you circumcised or not? Happy or unhappy that you were or weren't circumcised?The topic has some pretty hefty cultural baggage. ... I wonder how hospital staff or society in general would react to a parent that requested , say, a penis ring piercing on an infant boy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/15 02:30 PM |
| 2 | What is the difference between sexism and misogyny?The connotations of words are often vague and ephermal. That makes precise and reliable distinctions difficult at best. A primary difference between misogyny and sexism is intent. So the phrase "benevolent misogyny" is self-contradictory in a way that "benevolent sexism" is not. Although the term misogyny makes a sexual distinction, the practice of misogyny is not intrinsically sexist since someone who practices symmetric misandry and misogyny is not discriminating sexually. Sometimes people use… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/15 01:46 PM |
| 3 | Have you ever seen or witnessed a male being sexually harassed by a female?Women regularly make unwanted advances on men. Genders and gender roles are not symmetric. There are a lot of reasons it's less of an issue for men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/07/15 04:31 PM |
| 1 | Why exactly can't "equal" relationships work ?A relationship where one person act in an executive capacity, and the other in an advisory one isn't a relationship of equals. Arguments and questions like this that are couched in some non-standard notion of 'equal' really only confuse the issue. It's rather reminiscent of Orwell's "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." Different is inherently unequal, and testing whether an unequal relationship is equitable requires subjective value judgements. So a relationship … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/07/15 12:52 PM |
| 1 | Study showing same behaviour more likely to be seen as psychologically abusive if done by a man than if done by a woman. Implications? Interpretations?Anyone want to argue whether there's an evolutionary factor in the dichotomy? There's been some recent claims that men are better adapted to taking physical abuse. http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-27720617 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/07/15 08:17 PM |
| 1 | Men who play video games, does being good at them have anything to do with your SMV?It seems really strange to have all of this speculation about 'social dominance' and 'gender roles' in an article about a single gender-driven behavior change. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/15 03:52 PM |
| 1 | Feminists: what do you think about male disposability?Calling it "inescapable biological reality" is a bit of a strawman. Do you think that it's an intrinsic aspect of our society? Or, here's a specific example: Let's suppose the police come to a domestic disturbance complaint and find a man and a woman fighting. Are they ever going to be as likely to believe that the woman instigated the physical violence as the man? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/15 03:41 PM |
| 1 | Why does TRP often seem deliberately spiteful of women?You really think that anything self-organized on the internet will evolve toward a more nuanced mentality? Maybe we can grind up and snort that kind of innocence. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/15 03:15 PM |
| 1 | Interesting study finds more skilled male gamers are more positive towards women, less skilled male gamers are more negative towards women... continue to be losers in life ... Are they really? Plenty of games that I know seem to be doing fine. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/15 03:02 PM |
| 1 | How bad do Asian/Indian men have it in the United States?... marriage being treated more as a transaction rather than an act of love. There are certainly issues with the ambiguous nature of the institution. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 08:30 PM |
| 1 | Do you wish that you could be a different race?It would be illuminating to change race just to experience the difference. (i.e. something like 'Black Like Me' or 'Self Made Man'.) They tell me that white males are at the top of the food chain so permanent switches are probably not that advisable. (Can I use the ethnic change to get rid of baldness?) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 08:23 PM |
| 4 | How bad do Asian/Indian men have it in the United States?If you follow the 'sexual marketplace' metaphor, then an arranged marriage is a brokered transaction. Doesn't really seem like 'throwing in the towel' to me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 08:10 PM |
| 3 | does anyone believe that beauty standards can be 100% subjective?it might be some kind of dowry Sure, it might be. It might also be that what we consider to be obese is considered to be 'good health' there. I don't want to read too much into it, but it seems like the original post here is some kind of reverse fat logic. Specifically an attempt to justify not finding very fat women attractive by appealing to some kind of nebulous human universality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 03:42 PM |
| 1 | does anyone believe that beauty standards can be 100% subjective?A cursory google search didn't turn up anything about how the mask was produced or tested. Do you have any citations to back up that claim? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 03:09 PM |
| 2 | does anyone believe that beauty standards can be 100% subjective?In the context of this discussion about relative beauty standards it's very different to claim that facial beauty is determined by some ratios that are 'mathematically absolute' rather than ratios that might be culturally determined. There's a decent consensus that some aspects of beauty or attractiveness are captured by proportionality. For example the waist to hip ratio of women. However, even that seems to be somewhat culturally subjective: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waist%E2%80%93hip_rati… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 02:50 PM |
| 2 | does anyone believe that beauty standards can be 100% subjective?I think that the variance is again limited to what is considered healthy: a slightly overweight woman can be attractive in certain places but not a fat or obese one, because obesity is not perceived as indicative of good health. There are definitely societies like Mauritius that prize obesity in women. The central claim that there are 'universally attractive features' is plausible, but claiming some particular feature is one of them without justification is a bit of sophistry. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 02:28 PM |
| 2 | does anyone believe that beauty standards can be 100% subjective?Beauty is a set of proportions based on the golden ratio. Every presentation of that claim I've ever seen has been numerology. https://plus.maths.org/content/os/issue22/features/golden/index "... I would like to point out, however, that the human face provides us with hundreds of lengths to choose from. If you have the patience to juggle and manipulate the numbers in various ways, you are bound to come up with some ratios that are equal to the Golden Ratio. ..." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/15 02:27 PM |
| 1 | What is the feminine/feminist narrative? What are it's flaws? Does it benefit society? What "narrative" would you prefer for society?There is no real consensus about what 'feminism' is. With the understanding that you asked for criticisms, and that these aren't universal: A common theme is to dogmatically assume that women are systematically and perpetually oppressed while men have superior agency and capability without evidence, and sometimes even in the face of evidence to the contrary. Sometimes interpretations made based on this a priori assumption are then used to circularly reinforce it. Feminism seems to struggle with … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 07:52 PM |
| 3 | are BPers, feminists and SJWs mostly humanities majors?How do you distinguish between an ideology that's "full of bullshit" and one that you simply "take issue with?" ... I don't know Roku2021's position, but I think it basically comes down to understanding the difference between subjective and objective truths - that is to say, the difference between 'feels' and 'reals'. Ideologies that are 'full of shit' are ones that equivocate subjective truth with objective truth. There are lots of claims in TRP that are objectively true - for example, people w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 04:52 PM |
| 3 | are BPers, feminists and SJWs mostly humanities majors?Drok007 wrote "discipline", and not "science". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/15 03:03 PM |
| 1 | Is there any famous bachelors who were MGTOW?For whatever reason the last years of his life - where he slept during the day and worked at night - featured more largely in my mind than they probably should have. Maybe he's not a good example. | /r/MGTOW | 17/07/15 01:36 PM |
| 2 | Is the TRP community becoming misogynistic?To be clear, TRP does not advocate "stripping the other person from all power in the relationship," but rather being open, honest, consistent, and clear about the relationship structure. Everybody leverages their relationships. Even if the TRP program is particularly sophisticated or successful, that's selfishness, and not misandry. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 03:27 PM |
| -2 | Is the TRP community becoming misogynistic?So TRP is amoral, but that doesn't mean the community can't become evil. ... In order for something to be 'evil' you have to make some kind of moral judgement. Aren't we all a bit too old for imaginary friends and moral absolutes? We can consider a convenient example, there's the ever popular golden rule: "One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself." Since TRP advocates dimorphism in gender roles, it clearly goes against that notion of 'right'. (Admittedly, moral notions a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 01:40 PM |
| 1 | Has TBP actually read the ENTIRE sidebar on TRP?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 12:48 PM |
| 1 | Has TBP actually read the ENTIRE sidebar on TRP?This is a pretty shitty argument or even prostelytizing. Just saying something doesn't make it true. Maybe this mad libs edit will illustrate that: Your hatred against us heroin abuse has no merit if you haven't done your homework tried it. Have you? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 05:48 AM |
| 1 | What do you think about the LSM theory ?Because people communicate by posture, I doubt it's possible to separate looks from status. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/15 05:20 AM |
| 1 | Is there any famous bachelors who were MGTOW?Marcel Proust | /r/MGTOW | 15/07/15 08:19 PM |
| 2 | question to the blue pill, do women find intelligent men attractive?Well , men don't find intelligent women attractive either. I suspect that "intelligence" is a bit like height - in general, more is better, but default relationship roles call for a gender specific asymmetry in the relationship. That is to say, just as men are taller, and expected to be the taller partner, they are also more factually oriented, and expected to be the more factually oriented partner. P.S. Nice to know that you don't want to "generalize for all women" but have no problem doing the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 03:41 PM |
| 1 | question to the blue pill, do women find intelligent men attractive?I'll be straight up honest and say I truly feel intelligence has absolutely NOTHING to do with attraction. not a single thing. This looks like a rather narrow perspective that ignores secondary factors. Shouldn't intelligence make people better at deception, and more readily sophisticated in the 'sexual market place'? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/15 02:55 PM |
| 1 | The top female model made $42 million last year while the top male model only made $1.5 million. Its time to close this wage gap! /sarcasmDunno. I think Canada came in ahead of Brazil on the split. | /r/MensRights | 08/07/15 07:55 PM |
| 1 | Are women aware of males that are attracted to them if nothing is spoken?Do you regularly take them out to coffee/food? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/15 08:14 PM |
| 2 | Discussion: Women have a right to ....?If I was in OP's situations, I would only consider telling her after 5 years of happy marriage. In some places hiding assets before the marriage is illegal and can have undesirable legal consequences. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/15 05:48 PM |
| 4 | Discussion: Women have a right to ....?Dunno, I believe that someone could act hurt in cynical self-interest. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/15 05:47 PM |
| 1 | Given that makeup can drastically (temporarily) change a woman's SMV...do you think men will ever wear it?"All's fair in love and war" They say that when you go out and date people, you don't meet them, but only their representatives. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/15 05:45 PM |
| 1 | BP: Should a man take a direct, or indirect approach when meeting a woman he is attracted to?If a guy has clear intent, then it's basically a balancing act between making that intent clear and not making the woman uncomfortable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/15 03:00 PM |
| 1 | Does the Black-White-Asian sex hierarchy objectively prove the Red Pill?The answer to questions of the form: "Does X objectively prove the Red Pill?" where X is any particular single phenomenon is categorically no. TRP makes a bunch of claims, each of would have to be individually tested. TRP also does a bunch of interpretive stuff which is probably untestable. Stretching the metaphor a little - one grain of sugar doesn't make the whole pill safe to swallow. For exmaple, the argument presented here is crap: Let's suppose for a moment that mate selection is market-li… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/15 02:38 PM |
| 7 | Gay Marriage Legalisation: More Food For The Divorce Sharks... something tells me the courts will be much more fair when its 2 women or 2 men. Alas, even with that opportunity, I doubt that the legal system will use those as a control to monitor gender bias in family law. | /r/MGTOW | 29/06/15 02:24 PM |
| 1 | Another reason to go MGTOW: Invasion of the Land Whaleshttp://www.cockeyed.com/photos/bodies/heightweight.html | /r/MGTOW | 17/06/15 12:54 PM |
| 2 | Another reason to go MGTOW: Invasion of the Land Whales... most people don't find overweight people attractive. It's an overt signal of poor discipline, poor health, and a don't give a shit attitude. ... Don't forget low socio-economic status. In times and places where only the well-off can afford to be fat, it's considered more attractive. | /r/MGTOW | 17/06/15 12:52 PM |
| 2 | Manospherians, I give you the answer to a curiosity I've had for years: Does Game work? Also, general discussion of Game and PUA's welcome.The article is an example of crapulence on the internet: Build a giant strawman about "seduction myth" and then tip it over. Surely, there's some woo in the PUA cabinet, but most of it is prima facie true: More attempts lead to more successes. Presentation matters. Confidence matters. Women have sex drive. Effective social interaction is a skill that can be learned. People are controlled by their context in subtle and powerful ways. I recall reading the PUA stuff a few years ago expecting some d… | /r/MGTOW | 16/06/15 03:49 PM |
| 1 | [1 valid point, the rest is painful to watch] Should the First Mars Mission Be All Women? | PBS Digital StudiosThe obvious argument in favor of having a crew of women is actually that women are smaller than men. If you can scale the spacecraft to 90 lb people instead of 180 lb people, you can basically cut the launch mass in half. I'd never heard that calorie claim before. I'm curious how well it stands up to simple scrutiny like controlling for space suit and body mass, and body composition changes. | /r/MGTOW | 13/06/15 02:49 PM |
| 1 | [1 valid point, the rest is painful to watch] Should the First Mars Mission Be All Women? | PBS Digital StudiosThey could run a test on the ground first. | /r/MGTOW | 13/06/15 02:36 PM |
| 2 | What men bring into relationships with women?That seems like a really silly question for a guy to be asking. Are you trying to make a 'sales brochure' to convince someone to get into a LTR with you? The TRP guys would probably describe it as some kind of Beta or Convert Contract shit. Feel free to keep sucking up to her, and see how much respect that gets you. | /r/MGTOW | 10/06/15 08:21 PM |
| -1 | Women are now getting their own blood injected into their vaginas to tighten them.Surgery for that does get advertised. | /r/MGTOW | 09/06/15 04:49 PM |
| 3 | Slut-shaming holds MGTOW backAFAICT The problem here is gynocentrism, not slut shaming. "Men going their own way" seems to be "men complaining about women." | /r/MGTOW | 07/06/15 03:00 PM |
| 5 | It's the men's fault again!Nope, needs more Portuguese accent. | /r/MGTOW | 05/06/15 10:40 PM |
| 0 | ever heard of /r/nofap?Is the pun with Performance Enhancing Drugs intentional? | /r/MGTOW | 04/06/15 05:14 PM |
| 2 | MGTOW reading list?Alone in the Wilderness (the film) Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance | /r/MGTOW | 04/06/15 05:13 PM |
| 2 | Tradcon laments the decline of marriage.... idea of an economic recovery involves everyone going neck deep into debt. That's actually an orthodox view. As far as economists are concerned debt=growth. | /r/MGTOW | 02/06/15 01:39 PM |
| 4 | Zooey Deschanel is annoying and someone finally made a video about itThe gentleman doth protest too much, methinks. Unless you're dealing with her IRL, all you have to do is turn it off. | /r/MGTOW | 02/06/15 12:23 PM |
| 3 | Germany passes Japan to have world's lowest birth rate - studyGermany is an expensive place to operate businesses, which - more or less - means that producing low end goods doesn't make much sense. The difference is less in design and engineering, and more in production value. For example: There's really no design difference between a Zeiss lens from Germany and some no-name lens made in China, but the German lens is probably ground by an operator with more training, on more expensive equipment in a cleaner factory, quality controlled more fastidiously, an… | /r/MGTOW | 01/06/15 05:17 PM |
| 1 | Not even sure how to word this question. Was thinking about my sister and mother. I guess I want to know how you all's family fits into "going your own way"?I'd like to be able to explain myself without sounding cynical ... "That word, I do not think it means what you think it means." -- Inigo Matoya, The Princess Bride From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynicism_%28contemporary%29 "... Modern cynicism has been defined as an attitude of distrust toward claimed ethical and social values and a rejection of the need to be socially involved. ..." | /r/MGTOW | 01/06/15 04:22 PM |
| 1 | Meditations On MakeUpSure, humans are all treacherous lying monkeys. Our ancestors got through life by being better at lying, stealing, and cheating than the ones that didn't make it. If you take a look at the market place metaphor, recall that a 'market place' is an intrinsically adversarial setting - everyone wants to buy cheap and sell dear. Ostensibly, the primal notion is that the man provides safety and stability in exchange for the woman's reproductive capacity. And there's certainly plenty of deception about… | /r/MGTOW | 01/06/15 05:30 AM |
| 1 | If you won the lottery would you still be a MGTOW?More money isn't likely to bring out better behavior in people around me. I'd like to think that winning the lottery wouldn't change my attitude about things much. | /r/MGTOW | 31/05/15 04:06 PM |
| 1 | Why is TRP so gynocentric?I don't see obfuscation over there - it's pretty clear they're all about sex management. | /r/MGTOW | 31/05/15 04:02 PM |
| 3 | Germany passes Japan to have world's lowest birth rate - studyThere are many parallels between Germany and Japan. I wonder whether that's a structural consequence of pro-export policies and mindsets, it's the other way around, or the two are largely unrelated. | /r/MGTOW | 31/05/15 01:55 AM |
| 2 | Lifting question from a skinnyfat teen.I'm just plain fat, and was at a different point in my life than your are now. That said, the book "Mass Made Simple" by Dan John was instrumental for me getting stronger. | /r/MGTOW | 31/05/15 01:43 AM |
| 1 | Your MGTOW model?The "O" stands for own, right? | /r/MGTOW | 28/05/15 07:04 PM |
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