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Except Clavicular has huge success with women, far far more so than almost any man in the world. Yes, I understand you will now claim that it's fake and he pays them or something. There will always be excuses. Just like if I posted all the images of overt Nazis and misogynists doing well on dating apps, gaining more matches in a week than most men do in a year.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:36 PM
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Right. If you open a thread on askreddit or something about this, the top comments will absolutely be 'you need to earn more money and become better looking and gain a greater status', of course, and not 'u just need to be kind and treat women like people :)))' Is this what you claim to believe?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:34 PM
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a decent guy And that's it. For men it's 'a woman'. For women it's 'a decent guy' (Chad). It is not the same problem. Women have unreasonable expectations of men whilst not having any expectations for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:32 PM
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Then tell me what TRP teaches (folks, I won't be receiving an answer to this one). You think the blue pill admits that women are shallow and primarily value looks and money above all else? Guess I'm blue pilled now.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:31 PM
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Watched it, and I'm back here to tell you it wouldn't have mattered. Find me an ugly (non-rich, non high status) man who is half as successful with women as Clavicular because of his 'skills'.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:06 PM
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Why do you think it is that this is a uniquely male phenomenon and that you are never telling women they need to work harder to serve men? Could it be that women are unreasonable and a significant part of the problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:04 PM
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. I think very few people assume a man must be of bad moral character if a woman rejects him Almost everyone does, in fact. Any time a man speaks of his dating issues, comments flood in telling him it must be his personality and character.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:03 PM
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Looks: can be improved through grooming and fitness, and personal style to match one's appearance to his aesthetic and desired aesthetic (since like usually attracts like). Skill issue. It's of little consequence. Women hyper-fixate on things that are genetic, such as height and bone structure. Most of the rest are largely determined by genetics as well, such as how much income you can realistically make, and of course your personality which is largely fixed. The idea that status stops mattering…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:02 PM
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It was a mistake and of no use. Like a giraffe's neck arteries being absurdly inefficient.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:50 PM
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It's important to distinguish what TRP is to find out why you think it doesn't work. It's just 'looks money status', acknowledging this is what you (a woman) want. So redpillers are trying to get men to give you what you want so you'll pick them. It doesn't always work because they're trying their best to become rich enough, high enough status, and good looking enough for you. But it's hard to live up to your standards. They are still trying their best. Maybe one day.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:48 PM
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So why dating seem difficult then? It depends what you mean. It's difficult in the sense that the script is utter bullshit set up to favour women massively and men need to go through humiliation rituals to serve them and live up to their unfair expectations. Nonetheless, most men do this and get girlfriends. However, for some people it is not possible to achieve this no matter what they do due to things out of their control. It is not always our fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 01:56 PM
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Talking with blue pillers is like talking to a brick wall, honestly. Red pill is literally just, essentially, 'women care about looks, money and status. you need to focus on attaining this.' it's utterly basic now, though surprisingly many normies deny this and pretend personality matters more. Some red pillers focus on pickup techniques and stuff but this is cringe and largely has fallen out of fashion.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 01:53 PM
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I have explained this to someone else. Imagine you go to a subreddit where people are learning basic Japanese and you say 'um why are all the people here bad at Japanese then? Clearly your methods of learning Japanese don't work'.. The people who don't know Japanese go there to learn. The people who struggle with women (because they do not already have looks, money, and status) flock to the red pill. Even though it works (become rich/high status/good looking essentially, maybe some dark triad pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 01:46 PM
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I do mark myself as normie but it still doesn't... are you trolling me now?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 01:43 PM
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As women are fundamentally unreasonable and biased towards women, they view 80%+ of men as unattractive, meaning a looksmatch in their eyes will always be absurd. Case in point. Some women like dad bods Fake news
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 01:40 PM
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Indeed, despite me telling you plainly that I'm not autistic and that I come across fine to women irl personality wise, you assume that this is what causes these outcomes. As I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 01:35 PM
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Types* are mostly a woman thing. My type is merely someone who is a (healthy) woman. *Conventional Chad with minor variations
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 01:30 PM
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It's very hard to talk with you people... the scale puts me as an average Joe despite me being off the scale in any sensible measurement. And it's irrelevant as I wanted you to put it aside and admit that even with the best personality in the world you can have near-zero chances of getting laid due to looks alone. I'm not going to get this though, so I give up...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 01:26 PM
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...I concede
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 01:19 PM
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I'm not autistic and if you met me irl you'd say I was charming, if perhaps slightly shy. I act differently here. I'm not going to keep going on about it, I just wanted you to admit to me that you think that no matter if all the other things there are strong, if your looks are truly terrible then it can make it near-impossible to get laid. In my view this is due to the high standards women have, finding 80%+ of men unattractive and swiping right on only 5% of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 01:13 PM
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False
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 01:08 PM
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quite frankly with your frame of mind, you’d likely have a tougher time than dudes who scored higher than you 🤷‍♀️ bingo, I knew you'd start shifting towards assuming it's my personality that is a significant part of it, whilst only conceding that looks etc. provide a 'disadvantage', not conceding that some people are FUCKED and it's beyond a disadvantage and verges into lottery winning odds for some, e.g. someone like the elephant man. Plz no ban for 'woe is me', let me balance it out by saying…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 01:05 PM
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I want you to admit that for some people, such as myself, it is not realistically possible no matter how 'outgoing' I am, not merely having odds stacked against me. And indeed even if I became low inhibition and had multiple high status talents, it would not change that. Is singing well a 'high status talent'? If so I'm under 16 but still stand no chance of romantic success.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 12:56 PM
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You're being oddly hostile. I simply asked if you had ever participated in a conversation with someone where you admitted it was their looks that may be the bottleneck. There was no goalpost moving. I started with this question: Perhaps you can link me to a single time you've ever admitted that looks may be the primary reason someone is failing to find success. Directly asking you for an example of you admitting to someone that their looks may be the primary reason for their lack fo success. You…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 12:45 PM
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Good day, Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 09:34 AM
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Yet men who are openly abusive or misogynistic do very well on dating apps, far better than normal men. If they're Chads, that is. I envy your ability to deny reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 09:32 AM
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Then you are grossly out of the ordinary in your standards for a man. Grossly. As I said, men rate women on a bellcurve where they find most of them attractive. This is a good example of how ridiculous female standards are. What's your bodycount? Are you a Chad? If so that would explain why you think this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 09:22 AM
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It doesn't matter what I am. the 80/20 study is another can of worms. One thing that I found out about it a while back was the 80% of men women deemed "unattractive" were actually women on OLD unwilling to "poke" these men. Which completely changes things. I can see how women wouldn't do such a proactive suggestive online gesture unless a guy was 100% completely their type and they were sure. I don't know where you heard this. They were simply asked to rate men on how attractive they were and th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 09:14 AM
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Yes, it's an interesting survey done by Aella. What would you like me to show you? Perhaps you can consult this collage to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 08:58 AM
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I'm afraid it just doesn't line up with my experience or what I've seen of the evidence. Women prioritise looks, money, and status. Hypergamy is very consistently seen. And women view 80% of men as below average, and swipe right on only 5%.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 08:54 AM
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Do you actually, genuinely know average looking dudes who slay though? Do you? Really? Be honest with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 08:04 AM
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Looks is key if that's all you have to rely on and you have bad social skills and are introverted to a fault, which is probably why so many men these days are blackpill. I know a significant amount of dudes who are average looking who just command attention and project enthusiasm and energy whenever they enter a room. They are always with the hottest women This is a trope in the black pill community. 'Bro I know a 4 ft balding janitor who SLAYS cause of his great personality bro!' The couples I …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 06:09 AM
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Recognising the nature of women and the importance of looks, money and status is now referred to as red pill. On this subreddit the blue pillers are really purple pillers like you because even the blue pillers here have long given this up, but outside of this subreddit you will continue to, unbelievably, find people saying things like 'be urself bro' and 'women just want a kind man who treats her right :) they don't care that much about looks trust me bro' and other myths. So, surprising as it m…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:04 AM
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Feel free to argue about what these untrue things are. I'm not even red pill tho. My power level is far higher than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:00 AM
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Here we can observe the common blue pill tactic of disregarding what has been written and substituting it with what they want to read.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:52 AM
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It does, it's simply hard to accomplish. Kinda depends on the flavour of redpill though. Some redpill is working on 'game' and how you talk to women, which doesn't really work because that sort of thing doesn't matter. But a lot of redpill guidance is simply about becoming high value in terms of money, status, and looksmaxxing, which is in fact the only thing women care about so is of course good advice, but not easy to achieve.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:46 AM
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How to become a billionaire: gain 1 billion dollars Wtf how are people not succeeding wit these clear instructions? Because it's hard to do. And the Chads who naturally get easy 'bitches' (wow, cool it with the misogyny please!) don't seek out or identify as redpill for the same reason that you're unlikely to find many Japanese men in a Japanese 101 language class.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:42 AM
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Do you really think 'become better looking, get a good job' is some sort of esoteric advice that you need to be gullible to think will make you more attractive to women?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:35 AM
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It works but it's not easy to gain these things. Looks are mostly genetic and women hyper-fixate on things men cannot control such as height. Money and status are hard to attain, specifically enough that will allow one to be desired by women, because they need to be significantly more than the woman in question has.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:26 AM
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If I ever attain looks, money or status in sufficient quantities I will do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:25 AM
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https://x.com/AngloVarangian/status/2056840618001789323 Even 'orthodox Christian' women are like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:13 AM
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Don't make me tap the sign... Women only care about looks, money, and status The reason redpill advice works is because this is what women have and will always want. This is why hypergamy persists in every country in the world. In fact, the power dynamics are entirely in their favour which is why they get to be so absurdly picky (5% swipe right rate, finding 80% of men unattractive) and hypocritically demand that men fulfil their gender roles (pursuing them, paying for them on dates) whilst insi…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:04 AM
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Except these men you speak of can pay and still do it, it doesn't weed htem out at all. Women are hypocritical and just want the benefits of gender roles is all. I've already said how the data doesn't support the idea of men just wanting sex anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 02:12 AM
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Excuses for female entitlement. men don't demand women come over to their house and clean for them to 'weed out lazy golddiggers' or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 02:09 AM
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Stage 1: Men expected to pursue, do all the work, pay for the woman, jester for her. Fulfil his gender roles. Men expected to earn more than the woman, be higher status than her due to her hypergamous nature. Stage 2: Relationship. Men do half of paid + unpaid labour whilst also earning more due to aforementioned hypergamy. Stage 3: wahhhh men aren't doing enough, why can't they do all the work whilst I don't have to do anything? I'm divorcing him, taking half of his money, and gonna try to find…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 01:53 AM
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It’s not, or we wouldn’t be divorcing men twice as much as the reverse What do you mean? Women always think they can do better, them divorcing more just shows they're not satisfied unless they get perfection and want to trade up. Both do, but men prioritize sex, and women deprioritize sex If this were true then Chad's bodycount would be insane but that's not what the data show. Nope. Sexless and single is sexless and single It's much harder for men to get dates unless they're Chad, so they can't…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 01:42 AM
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I'm an 11/10 pretty boy Chad just waiting for the right woman to save me from the darkness, you see.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 01:22 AM
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That’s not what women think It is tho and men initiate and pay for dates because they date for sex, not relationships Fake news, most people of both genders want long term relationships. You are free to abstain from paying, sex and relationships just like we do. The consequences are entirely different and you openly admit how imbalanced it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 01:20 AM
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Femcels do not exist, though. However hard a woman has it in regard to dating or casual sex, it's nothing compared to what incels have.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 11:32 PM
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But have you ever seen a post talking about how they can't get dates or casual sex and conceded it may be due to their looks that this is the case? Or have you gone on about how actually personality matters more? I seem to recall this behaviour from you talking about your DJ friends or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 11:27 PM
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Except when combining paid and unpaid labour, men do an equal share whilst also being expected to earn more, and also being the one expected to pursue and pay on dates etc. Female entitlement strikes again.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 11:24 PM
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Stopped reading as soon as it became clear you were once again going to continue to fail to provide anything approaching a valid point or argument. Incredible how dedicated blue pillers are to denying the reality that literally all of the evidence supports.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 11:22 PM
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And yet men have become dramatically more egalitarian in their outlook, do more housechores and childcare than ever, whilst also caring far more about the pleasure of women and learning how to please them than ever (unfortunately). The problem, as always, is with women and their hypergamous nature. Because they have advanced and become richer, the pool of men they are interested in (richer, higher status than them) has become narrower.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 11:16 PM
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Though I'm sure you mean well, i my view, you speak from a position of privilege as a woman and don't understand how hard it is to do this for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 11:14 PM
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It's one of the strongest desires there is, the closest we have to a meaning in life, and men are incredibly horny and desire women etc. You're basically saying 'just become a buddhist monk bro'?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 11:10 PM
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As soon as you can demonstrate that instead of ignoring what the researchers concluded, I will happily admit to being wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 11:01 PM
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The personality detector always comes online for those sorts of posts. It's always very clear that it's his personality and never his looks that are the problem. Weirdly, it doesn't seem to work in other contexts even when the man in question is being overtly misogynistic but is good looking. Perhaps you can link me to a single time you've ever admitted that looks may be the primary reason someone is failing to find success.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 10:42 PM
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Nothing has changed. Women are still hypergamous and only care about looks, money and status. They still have sex with and date men who fulfil their shallow criteria. But yes, there have been some unfortunate social developments over the last century.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 10:39 PM
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Looking forward to you discovering what an argument is.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 10:35 PM
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They asked as a sort of routine thing, expecting me to say otherwise, and when I gave the unexpected answer they were just sort of shocked and were like 'Oh, okay...' About it really.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 10:34 PM
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They're very generous compared to most mods on other subs who will just ban me permanently.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 10:25 PM
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She should give it up to me or another healthy man instead. <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 10:23 PM
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I cannot imagine how horrified libs would be, and how many articles would be written about misogyny, if chuds obsessively went after the widow of some lefty who got assassinated and obsessively mocked every thing about her from her makeup to her fashion choices to her facial expressions. All starting pretty much immediately after her husband was murdered.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 10:21 PM
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Come on bro you know it's different than that, women just don't orgasm from it at all generally, need all sorts of extra stuff going on, maybe even toys. It's broken. Though it's somewhat adjacent to the overall point I was trying to make tbh, I don't care too much about it. Actually the more I think about it the more I do care, how much more satisfying sex would be if women weren't this way and just got off normally, it adds to their disappointing nature with all the other disappointing element…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 10:17 PM
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Idk what you mean, the basic form of sex, a penis going into a vagina, is still how we do it, and that's all I'm talking about. Women don't tend to orgasm from this, and I think that's absurd.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 09:33 PM
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But an awkward STEM dude who makes 200k is gonna struggle compared to a dude who makes much less but quite social and confident. I doubt it. But really these things are all quite irrelevant compared to looks. That same STEM dude if Chad is all 'awww he's so cuuute and shyyy' to 'ugh that incel over there is looking at me'.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 09:31 PM
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Your example is just wrong. You think you can't be picky otherwise you won't get a partner. Most women just don't care about staying single. That's the difference. The result is that if a man chooses to be as picky as women are, he will likely remain alone unless he is a Chad. Sorry but I don't understand what you mean by that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_them_eat_cake That doesn't make sense for me. You don't like when women say they hate all men but you do the same. That are double stand…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 09:26 PM
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'No!! The conclusion the authors wrote is wrong!! It actually means something entirely different that I want it to mean!!' Okay. I accept your concession.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 09:20 PM
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Yes. It isn't at all a conflict you see, because women can watch lesbian porn whilst being straight.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 09:20 PM
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I have no desire to do so. This is not an insult but rather a compliment, I'd hate to accidentally give a woman pleasure.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 09:18 PM
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They do get sex, though. Their personality or views have no bearing on it, only looks money status. Men are much better than women at sex, because women at no point have to put in any effort whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 09:17 PM
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Evidently they're not forced to as the orgasm gap persists, thank God. Women use men throughout, and then expect men to continue to do all the work. Narcissus was so attracted to his own reflection he fell in the lake and drowned; much like women who are aroused not by others but by themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 09:16 PM
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I'm wired to view it that way and am unable to stop doing so. Women aren't in the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 09:14 PM
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"hypergamy/hʌɪˈpəːɡəmi/Hypergamy is the act or practice of dating, cohabitating, or marrying a partner perceived to be of higher social, economic, or "mating" value than oneself" A man who is deficient socially is seen as lower mating value and is unacceptable because they will only accept men who are better than them. It's true that this is mostly reflected in looks, money and status however and less so on personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 09:13 PM
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This is what's known as entitlement.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 09:12 PM
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I look forward to you doing all the housework and childcare, solely because it's your assigned gender role.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 09:11 PM
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My personal view is that if your gender struggles to get off through the main sex act we evolved for, it's flawed. Like a giraffe's neck arteries being ridiculously inefficient. Either way, the main issue is the entitlement women feel to the man doing all the work, including putting all the effort into sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 09:10 PM
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I think everyone prefers to feel a degree of specialness -- that it is they who are desired, not just a miscellaneous convenient body easily exchanged with another. Yes, I think we've been over this before. And men can never achieve this because it's not how women see them. I don't think there's much if any individual variation. We consistently see women value superficial things like money and status. They also value looks just as much as men and are far more picky about it, despite claims that …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 09:08 PM
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Because women have all the power and choose to exploit men with it. If a man doesn't give her an orgasm, it is fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 09:03 PM
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Nah they're just attracted to most women whereas women only see Chads as humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 09:02 PM
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How Aristotelian of you. Women are not flawed because they don't get off in the exact same way as men do. Men's genitalia and sexuality are not the default and ideal for both genders. Based Aristotle. If you can't orgasm through the act of sex we evolved to perform, you're broken as far as I'm concerned. It's only selfish to the one who thinks women's opinions, wants, needs over her own body are unnecessary hindrances to a man having sex with her. Women expect everything of men. For them to purs…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 09:01 PM
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Isn’t that more the point that OP of this entire post is making--for men? Yeah, and they're wrong. They're projecting. What they criticise men for is almost always more applicable to women. In casual encounters, I imagine it is the opposite. The man is concerned about his own orgasm. Not saying that is all he cares about, but it is not a selfless act he is performing in having casual sex There's enormous pressure on the men to perform. The leading cause of erectile dysfunction in young men is be…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 09:00 PM
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Let's take an unambitious slob. Let's have him win the lottery. Boom, he is now incredibly desirable to women. That's what really matters - the money. The superficial elements. Now let's take an ambitious, rich man, and take away his money - he will have less value than the lottery winner, and indeed women are far more likely to divorce men when they lose their jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 08:56 PM
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Yes, well, women would put an enormous emphasis on it. I'd prefer a doctor wife but it would be a very easy choice to go for the janitor wife if her personality was even a litle better.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 08:54 PM
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You may claim not to. Nonetheless it is the pervasive attitude. Any thread where a man talks about his romantic struggles, no matter how he presents it, the default assumption is that his character is flawed. This, over time, causes the societal assumption that romantically successful men must be good people, and romantically unsuccessful ones must beb ad people.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 08:52 PM
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You seem to be treating autistic as though it's an insult. I was merely observing a trend which other women have now confirmed in response. It is evident by everything you all say. The lack of understanding. "I didn't know I had to be attractive I just thought I had to be nice!" Is a very autistic thought process. No one ever said this. Other than blue pillers of course, who routinely say that personality matters most and that women don't care as much about looks etc., despite the overwhelming e…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 08:50 PM
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Idk what you mean. I wish I was gay, for sure. Would solve most of my problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 11:00 AM
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Luckily, we can see that even before babies, male breadwinners are drastically more common than female breadwinners. Once again pointing to women being far more likely to seek out richer men, as is replicated in every single country in the world. 'Patriarchy' (actually more like a matriarchy, with women being privileged) is largely enforced by women who want men who are richer than them and demand that they fulfil their gender roles like pursuing them and paying for them on dates, something whic…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 10:39 AM
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They clearly are important. And I do see how they rate looks, with unreasonable high demands where they perceive almost all men as ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 10:25 AM
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you haven't shared a single study that compares money vs other traits And yet women continue to find themselves with richer men. It doesn't take a genius to work out what is going on and what they are prioritising. Australia, eh? I was discussing with a sheila on here the other day about this and she insisted she was only interested in a man who earned equal or ideally more than her, NO interest in someone less than her, despite the fact the majority of men are fine with that. “As summarised in …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 10:23 AM
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Who said to you that you can't or shouldn't be picky just because you are a man? You simply cannot be, anymore than a homeless man can decide he will only eat at Michelin star restaurants. That's not how it works for men (or at least, non-Chads), it is a luxury reserved for women. I say everyone should be picky, no matter your gender or your looks. Let them eat cake. You generalize the way you talk but I just assume that you don't mean all women I do. And sorry if I misunderstand something or I'…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 09:56 AM
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I could list 100 studies and you'd still say it was cherry picking, because you're unable to accept the truth. Pick any random country you want and I will show you that hypergamy persists there, assuming the data is available. I'll wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 09:52 AM
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What exactly is the most important thing? Sex? If so, I would disagree. How do we have all the power in romance? I can't decide who I fall in love with the same as you can't decide who you fall in love with. That's just not how humans work and is not about gender. What I mean by power and value is that you are far more desired than men are, and you have far more options. You can afford to be far more picky. Women are aware of this and use this power to exploit men, being super demanding of them …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 09:47 AM
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Stalin due to his status, his crimes/personality are of little consequence. Also he was quite handsome in his youth.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 09:23 AM
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“I resent women and think their pleasure is optional.” Accurate. no wonder you’re single It makes no difference. A common mistake on this subreddit is confusing the order in which views arise.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 09:18 AM
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I hope so too, but it seems unlikely since that'd require a fundamental shift in our culture and biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 09:18 AM
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That's not Clav that's me, I just look very similar bro trust me
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 09:15 AM
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I will come back with that, because it's perhaps the most important thing there is in life and is literally what we evolved to desire most. Women have all the power when it comes to romance. Outside of that, they're generally just more valued and have it easier across the board. It'd be easier to list things they don't have it easier in.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 09:14 AM
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Quite.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 09:10 AM
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An observation: autistic women are absolutely absurdly overrepresented on this subreddit. I swear it's like 50%. Fascinating. Secondly, there's no threshold for social skills and you can be a literal Nazi or openly misogynistic/abusive and still do very well with women, far better than any average man could no matter how good their social skills are. It's of little consequence to women. You say awkward guys have a ' working body'- but that's not enough! Guys can still have sex if a woman just li…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 09:06 AM
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I've already clearly explained that it's women who do that. And they feel entitled to men paying for them and jestering for them, selfishly. Why should men then put up with this whilst also putting in dramatically more work into sex, which btw also has all the pressure to perform on the male as usual? Nope, the orgasm gap is justified.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 08:59 AM
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Only 65% of straight women orgasm during sexual encounters with men. It's not our fault that women are biologically flawed. Women are not entitled to an orgasm. Women already feel entitled to men pursuing them, putting all the work into the date, and paying for them, after all, so it's only fair that men should finally repay this selfishness at some point.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 08:56 AM
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I'm almost impressed by the audacity of pretending that meta-analyses are the only valid form of scientific inquiry. 'Resource-acquisiton ability' was education and income, both classic forms of hypergamy. Every society on Earth is hypergamous, with women pairing with richer men and it couldn't be more obvious, some people are unwilling to believe harsh but obvious realities.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 08:53 AM
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This is almost precisely the opposite of the truth. Women see sex as something done to them and are focused entirely on how the man makes them feel, to them he is a tool and their arousal is not focused on him at all. Thus we see the focus in for example 'romance' novels is how the (high status, rich, powerful) love interest makes her feel special and overwhelmingly desired, the attributes I just mentioned adding to this feeling of specialness. This is why they could never be with a man who isn'…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 08:40 AM
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As usual the answer is because women are hypergamous and want men who are better than them. Anything less is unacceptable. Men are more tolerant.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 08:25 AM
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yoo
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 08:20 AM
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No, it's because women are grossly unreasonable when it comes to these things and will rate Adonis as a 6 due to the way their minds work. Their perception of reality is what it is clouded and evil. No other option.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 08:20 AM
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🎶 What a wonderful world that would be 🎶
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 08:16 AM
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Nah just the part where he wants to see it from (presumably their) POV. The pleasure comment was just my own separate thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 08:06 AM
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Idk maybe you have autogynephilia. Imagine wanting to see women experiencing pleasure.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 07:57 AM
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And dating for men is not any harder today than it has ever been It is. Women are hypergamous and want men who are better than them. Women, through various unfortunate changes in society, are now doing better than ever, so it's harder to do better than them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 07:41 AM
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Thanks for the heads up, but I'm quite happy to continue easily disproving their points so that onlookers can be redpilled on these issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 07:25 AM
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Well, no. An entire gender cannot be evil. That doesn't make any biological sense. It's nature. It would be different if you were saying only a small minority of women were this way. (I still don't find it evil, not even a little bit mean) But you are saying ALL women, and thus, this is exactly how nature meant it to be! Let's say demons are real and are inherently evil. This is biology. I still think they're evil. You can make the argument that no one really chooses who they are or their action…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 07:21 AM
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You simply didn't understand it. The conclusion they came to is very clear: We have presented empirical evidence that hypergamy is an important feature of mating patterns in Norway, and we have shown that there are no clear signs of decline. Households are systematically formed such that the man on average has the highest rank within the gender-specific distribution of earnings potential, and men with very poor earnings prospects have a high probability of staying unmatched. Men earn more than t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 07:09 AM
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also who is thinking women dont want tall good looking billionaires? Many bluepillers/normies try to make this claim, and pretend it's personality that matters most.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 05:47 AM
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Perhaps, but men are attracted to most women. Women are not attracted to most men, as we can see from the fact they swipe right on only 5% of men and rate 80% of men as below average. We can see how absurdly distorted their views of male attractiveness are in all manner of ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 05:46 AM
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Then let's tackle it one at a time. Even in the most egalitarian countries in the world like Norway, women insist on hypergamy. Because they are shallow and focus on men who are richer than them. How are you going to argue against this obvious reality?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 05:43 AM
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Pretty much. I'm currently being told it's totally just a coincidence that these dark triad monsters and rich tall billionaires constantly appear in women's romance books and it TOTALLY doesn't reflect what they want irl
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 05:40 AM
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Lol at you thinking any of the nonsense you just wrote is backed up by evidence. Every time y'all post "evidence" the only thing you accomplish is letting us know you're haven't the smallest understanding of statistics and research As opposed to your 'evidence'? Which is... where? Nowhere to be seen. I can show you studies about how women are consistently hypergamous, and prioritise looks. Of course the studies won't openly use the words betabux and such.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 05:37 AM
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All my primary talking points are backed up by the evidence. I understand it's uncomfortable to admit the truth, but it is what it is. I can assure you that there is no self-soothing going on, it is deeply disturbing and painful to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 05:12 AM
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mfw I realise I can say 'c o p e' to bluepillers I encounter outside of PPD without being banned
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 05:06 AM
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Yes, because they have to settle for them after they're done hooking up with Chads. They, much to their chagrin, cannot always partner up with Chads. So they settle for betabuxx. This is one of the reasons for the orgasm gap I suspect, because they're not attracted to their partners. Still, to earn this privilege as a betabuxx you must still jester for them, fulfil your gender roles, pursue them, pay for them. You must still be better than them in some way, typically earning more than them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 05:00 AM
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Almost anything. As he said, it's a code word for 'richer than me'.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 04:54 AM
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That happened to me I think it was a bug tbh I rejoined and it was fine. It's pretty dead unfortunately.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 04:52 AM
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Vastly outearning them, like a billionaire with a waitress, is rare. But men outearning their partner by a significant margin is just... the norm. And is waht women want. As for making each other feel.. well, yes, but men are hyper-focused on the woman and desire her intesnely, whereas women it's more like 'this higher status/richer/Chad intensley desires me and chose me ... I feel special' etc rather than 'omg this guy is so hot I want him!!' and I find that sad. Men want to be desired like tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 04:42 AM
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Most men want women with large breasts, but it would be absurd to say men ONLY want women with large breasts. Indeed, many men actively prefer women with small breasts. Tell me, when have you ever seen women demanding a man shorter than her? You haven't, because it doesn't happen. Are we discussing what fetishes you can find or what men at large prefer? The fact that you can find such fetishes shows the diversity of male tastes. You will never find women who prefer fat, short, bald men. And this…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 04:33 AM
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Obviously. How would I prove something like that is 'broken'? It can only be my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 04:30 AM
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'Cherrypicking' he says... it is this way in every country in the world. I challenge you to find a single country where the predominant set-up isn't men earning more than their partners. This is simply what women want and are like. It is what they fantasise about in their books, it is what they go for irl. Are you truly, genuinely trying to claim women wouldn't rather a doctor over a janitor? Come on. https://ifstudies.org/blog/on-internet-dating-sites-women-prefer-men-with-higher-incomes-and-mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 04:27 AM
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It seems the more verified claim is, and I'm sure you won't need me to verify this, that many women don't orgasm at all from penetrative sex. And in my view, if you do not orgasm from actual sex, real sex we've evolved to do, without needing all sorts of alternative methods to get you off, that's broken.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 03:50 AM
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The fallacy is believing they all have the same narrow tastes. No, we can very very easily constantly see how they have the same narrow tastes of wanting taller men, for example. 'I want a fat, short, bald guy, and I don't care what his job is,' said NO WOMAN IN HISTORY. Meanwhile, men genuinely do often prefer fat women, or unusually tall women, or women with small breasts and so on. Women have hyper-narrow tastes, men have very diverse ones. And women are not shy at all about being obscenely s…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 03:37 AM
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Ah, well then you're just factually wrong because the research is incredibly consistent with how women are hypergamous, even in the most gender egalitarian countries in the world like Norway. This is simply what they are like. They want richer, higher status men above all else. Looks matter too of course, and actually they're clearly FAR pickier and more shallow about them than men are, with specific demands of arbitrary heights and such, and only swiping right on 5% of men, whilst considering 8…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 03:33 AM
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What does it say about women you find to be untrue?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 03:23 AM
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What evidence do you have to suggest they aren't? They are very open with how they talk about, for example, short men <image> Women have very narrow tastes. They swipe right on only 5% of men, and view 80%+ of them as unattractive (which has NOT been debunked at all, it doesn't matter what their message rate was, which isn't even possible anymore on modern dating apps anyway). They are also hypergamous in every single country in the world and specifically seek men who are richer and higher statu…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 03:20 AM
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good point tbh didn't think of that They'll often claim that because a lot of women end up in relationships, it means they are attracted to most men. But as you say, that's probably why there's such an orgasm gap, because they settle for beta buxx.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 03:10 AM
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I don't think they're lesbians as such, more like they're sort of focused on themselves, autoerotically. Like, it's not a man she's desiring like a man would desire her, she just enjoys the way he makes her feel, like he's a tool more than a person. They care more about wealth and status than men do for this reason, it all adds to how the person with them makes them feel, when for men it's just simply 'I want her'.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 03:01 AM
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I wouldn't say no, I'm an incel. But the point remains that it's deeply disturbing to me how women's sexuality works, how even theoretically if I did get a girlfriend she'd never be able to desire me like I'd desire her.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 01:44 AM
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Very sad that men have to do this to get what comes naturally to all women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 01:42 AM
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Then no human can be evil according to your view. I consider this inherent wiring to be evil.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 01:42 AM
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Lloyd (2011), in a critical review of orgasm research used in The Hite‑type debates, surveys dozens of studies and notes that about 5–10% of women are described as never having orgasmed in any context, and this is the origin of the “5–10% never‑orgasmed” figure commonly repeated by clinicians and sex‑ed writers What about all the guys who have watched so much porn that they can no longer orgasm with a partner? Sounds pretty broken to me At least they can orgasm at all. As I said, the amount of p…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 01:41 AM
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It has been yes, always been superficial and based on looks, money, and status, and only wanting the top rich, high status Chads. I'm just saying that because it's natural, doesn't mean it's good. I think it's evil, actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 01:32 AM
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Howso? I mean, don't a lot of men come to you to have sex alone?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 01:31 AM
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Sex work is therapy for men. People really need to grasp this. I really need to stop going to therapy and start going to prosties. Imagine if you combined the two, that'd be cool.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 01:25 AM
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You are not desired by your wife/girlfriend the way you desire her. Women are narcissistic sexually and you are merely a tool that makes her feel a certain way. The fact you're okay with this is strange to me. Just like it's strange to me how most men put up with the expectations of women demanding that they are richer and higher status than them, fulfil their gender roles, pursue them, take them out and pay for them on dates and so on. For some of these there are extremely rare exceptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 01:20 AM
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Oh, so we’re broken just because we aren’t like men? Not even being able to orgasm on your own for many women sounds pretty broken to me. That’s just straight misogyny Okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 01:15 AM
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If the idea is that what is natural is good, then what is natural is women being subjugated, what we have now is a blip in history.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 01:14 AM
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What men put up with is always disappointing to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 12:30 AM
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Like most men, I am attracted to most women of all kinds. Women are only attracted to a tiny subset of men. But as I said, it's perhaps not correct to say they're attracted to them at all, rather how they amke them feel. Also, by your own logic, most men are sexual narcissists. Go on relationship advice or even just talk to a woman who has sex with men and report back with the details on how much their male partners make them orgasm. This is only further evidence of the problem. Women are broken…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 12:27 AM
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Yes men are aroused for their own pleasure, not charity or women Yes, but it's focused on the woman, desiring her intensely. This is not how it is for women, it's focused inwards. That is why they had to force women to marry them for financial security up until a hundred years ago, because sex with them isn’t very pleasurable or considerate, and they don’t care if it is Women are inherently hypergamous and such behaviour persists to this day. It not being pleasurable is not the fault of men, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 12:24 AM
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It's not needing to be attracted to 100%, it's being unattracted to almost all of them. Chadsexuality is also a possibility. I don't believe women are gay, as such. I just think they're sexually narcissistic and autoerotic/autogynephillic. What gets them off isn't really the other person as such, but how they are made to feel. And men - specifically, rich, high status Chads - are the best at accomplishing this.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 11:44 PM
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Male sexuality is also narcissistic, specifically making their bodies feel good regardless of what the other person thinks or feels No. Men focus on the woman and are aroused by her, fundamentally. Women focus on themselves at all times and the male is merely a tool that makes her feel desired/special/etc. that's what turns women on, fundamentally. This is why women watch lesbian porn, because the male is not a necessary component. For her, it is entirely narcissistic, for men it is entirely abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 11:41 PM
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Their arguments are too strong and too undeniable. I understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 11:37 PM
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Have you seen straight porn? Have you seen how women get straight up beat up in many videos, even vanilla ones? Would you watch porn that featured men getting choked, slapped, spat on, or degraded if you weren’t into that? How is that supposed to be arousing? Have you seen how women want this? How they are the primary consumers of violent pornography? How they are the ones more likely to enjoy aggression which is of course no surprise whatsoever to men who constantly see the types of men they ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 11:35 PM
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Nope, it’s because many men date for sex, and we do not This is not what the evidence suggests. If you want to frame it in such a way, however, I can say that women date for money and status. Yes, men like going after what they want, which is sex. And women know that. We recognize that your sexuality is not like ours Yes, our sexuality is not inherently narcissistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 11:26 PM
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Women, as I'm sure you'll admit as you're likely a feminist who spends time complaining about it, have been oppressed and subjugated throughout history. This is the 'natural state of things'. Further, women's 'choices' in the past have largely been determined by their families arranging marriages for them or essentially selling them off. If you think what is natural is what is good, you should know where you're heading.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 11:21 PM
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The fact that the ones who do often choose to watch lesbian porn, even if it's only slightly more often than straight porn (a huge assumption on your part), is disturbing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 11:19 PM
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Crazy stats if true, any chance you can link some of the most important ones?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 11:18 PM
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You could have 100 men lined up to take you out on a date by the end of the day if you awnted to. Femcels are not real.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 09:50 PM
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That what is 'natural' is good. It's only a very tiny blip in history that affords women their current standing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 09:49 PM
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And again I say, if that were true they would have sex with other men, because it's far easier to get sex with them. No, the truth is that men just have reasonable standards, unlike women, and find most women attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 09:48 PM
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Oh, they only slightly prefer to watch porn without men. That's okay then. I'm straight btw, but I usually have sex with men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 09:46 PM
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They are both grossly above average men, so it feels as though it confirms the idea of Chadsexuality among women to hear them say things like 'his elbows are too pointy, it's a no from me'. Nonetheless, I ask will you the same out of curiosity, which men/celebrities do you find to be optimal in terms of looks?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 09:45 PM
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What statement? The statement you first responded to was, 'More women are obese than men are in the USA'. This continues to be a fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 09:29 PM
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Around 40% of pornhub's traffic is from women. They prefer lesbian porn. This obviously provides an insight into how women's sexuality works.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 09:26 PM
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The question is not 'how hard is it to not be obese', the question is 'are men or women more likely to be obese?' and the answer is women. Given that not being obese is pretty much all it takes for a woman to be attractive (and indeed, as you noted, not even that necessarily due to men having such low standards) you'd think they could manage this. After all, men ahve to put up with lots of absurd expectations that are outside of their control, such as specific heights.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 09:21 PM
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Women are famously entitled when it comes to their expectations of men being better than them. They feel they deserve a man who is richer and higher status than them. They feel they should put less work in on dates and are entitled to a man pursuing them, taking them out, and paying for them. When it comes to sexuality, women focus primarily on how they feel and their own body beyond anything else, which is why lesbian porn is the most popular category for women, even """straight""" women. Even …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 09:19 PM
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No, it's quite the opposite, with your genetics playing the biggest role as usual, but even moreso for men as we are judged based on things like height and bone structure far more than women are. Further, you made absurd claims like misandry not existing which only further demonstrates your own internalised misandry, which in turn leads to you worshipping women and happily agreeing to fulfil your one-sided gender roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 09:15 PM
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But when they do choose to consume it, they look at other women. What does that tell you?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 09:13 PM
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Studies consistently show they prioritise looks first. They find 80% of men unattractive. They swipe right on only 5% of men. Every country in the world has the same pattern of women being hypergamous and desiring richer, higher status men. There are endless examples of awful, openly misogynistic men doing well with women because they're hot. Looks, money and status.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 09:12 PM
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'How hard it is' doesn't factor into it. It simply is the case that more women are overweight than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 09:11 PM
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Women of all income levels continue to be hypergamous and desire men who are richer than them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 09:04 PM
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It sounds like the incel fantasy is if women had to deal with what men deal with. It is true though, that is what would happen in any apocalyptic scenario where women lost their power.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 09:03 PM
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It's legitimately hard to tell if they are either not heterosexual or simply Chadsexual, it is a valid thing for him to say. They swipe right on only 5% of men, and view 80%+ of men as unattractive, per the stats. I would argue that they are not really attracted to men, generally speaking, but how they make them feel, which is a core distinction. And is why lesbian porn is the most popular category for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 09:02 PM
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If that were true then straight men would be having sex with men. It is not true. It is simply that women have absurd standards and are primarily interested in sex based on how it makes them feel rather than any desire for who they are having it with.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 09:00 PM
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Now who's fault is that? It's not about whose fault it is. It just is. Women do not understand how difficult life can be. Prior to recent decades, very few people of either gender were obese at any time. You do not need to become obese to have children.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 08:57 PM
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Hardly flattering, is it? To be told your body is disgusting. Women would not handle this well. Their sexuality is indeed different, it is fundamentally not focused on men, but on their own body and how they feel. This is why they watch lesbian porn. This is why they're not truly heterosexual in the way men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 08:48 PM
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So ironic to say that about others when it perfectly describes how women's sexuality works.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 08:47 PM
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Straight people do not choose to watch homosexual pornography over heterosexual pornography. Straight people have a strong desire for the opposite gender. Further, even during sex a woman is primarily driven by autoeroticism of a sort, autogynephilia. They are not focused on the man as such, but rather how he makes them feel.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 08:46 PM
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It is true. Women find 80%+ of men unattractive, and swipe right on only 5% of men. Only the top mena re attractive to women. Sometimes women settle for betabuxx however, which we see in a lot of relationships (which often end up with dead bedrooms).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 08:44 PM
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I'm not sure you'll like the conclusion of such a worldview.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 08:43 PM
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Women value looks, money and status above all else tho
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 08:16 PM
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It's a 'growframe makes an anti-male, female-worshipping post' episode Sick of re-runs
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 08:15 PM
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Yes, money or status. And at that point, when it's so transactional, why not just hire prosties?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 08:11 PM
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do people not want to be in love ? This is how I feel when I read about how superficial women are in regard to things like money and status.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 08:11 PM
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It is easy. If you find your current situation hard, I can't imagine how badly you'd manage if you were a man and had to work 1000x harder.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 08:09 PM
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What cognitive distortion? If you woke up tomorrow and suddenly no one found you attractive or desirable, and you got 0 matches on apps whilst all your friends got thousands easily, that wouldn't harm your self-esteem at all? I've often seen women complain of becoming invisible as they age or whatever. WOmen try their best to stay looking young and beautiful. A woman doesn't understand what it's like to be so invisible and lacking in desire as your average man until she's maybe 70 years old, at …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 08:04 PM
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Yeah. Women's bodies also have to be able to grow and carry entire humans. Ok? You don't need to be obese to do that. Plus, there is a good portion of men who prefer bigger women. Yes, as I say, women live life on easy mode and don't have to live up to the high standards men are forced into.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 08:01 PM
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Yes. They should do that the other way around, like with Jack and Rose in Titanic!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 08:00 PM
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Sadly in the USA. But I really love those really old cemeteries in other counties. And the dramatic Victorian like graves! Absolutely breathtaking. Greyfriars Kirkyard made my little goth heart happy. Ah, you've been to my country then, nice. Yeah there's some cool areas for goths, like in Whitby where the ruins of the old abbey featured in the original Dracula book, I think it's common for goths to meet up there. tfw no goth gf How so? I get concert tickets you get the beer? We meet up at the s…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 07:57 PM
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It seems awfully convenient that such teachings don't apply to us, when we in the modern day probably live in more luxury than that rich man did back then. He says it in other places, too, like Luke 12:33. People will always twist themselves into knots to explain how certain things don't apply to them, though. Frankly, there's probably more basis for this than there is for giving up porn, though I understand he also spoke of not looking at other (married) women with lust and such. I've always ad…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 07:50 PM
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I don't know why you're pretending to believe that it's uncommon for women to want men who are specifically over 6 ft, whereas uncommon for men to demand things with such specificity.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 07:33 PM
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Of luxuries? Well, slave labor but that doesn't always have to be the case so it isn't necessarily inherent to luxury products; in fact the term "luxury" could be loosely (sometimes too loosely) applied to many things that are not designer phones or whatever. Like I said there's much more nuance to that than there is to porn. I guess I meant 'what positives'? Didn't Jesus go as far as to tell people to sell their possessions and give the proceeds to the poor? I don't really see what difference i…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 06:21 AM
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I love walking in cemeteries tbh. Lots of old and beautiful ones in my country, with headstones older than, like, the USA. 50/50 is cool but the way you phrased it sounded like you expected him to do all the work and spend all the money. I don't like that expectation and then being called lazy when I'm doing most of the work.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 05:41 AM
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The whataboutism in your case is you conflating luxuries with porn. The former is a much more nuanced topic with many more avenues of possibilities both negative and positive. How? What negatives? We could all spend less and give more to charity and make a huge difference, no? Way to admit it's an addiction. But while even more difficult than the usual, it's not impossible to kick an addiction. It may be accurate to call it an addiction of sorts. I have tried to stop before and never make it lon…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 05:15 AM
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Why Casca?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 04:45 AM
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Iow, yeah you're deflecting with a lot of baseless assumptions, whataboutism, and false equivalence. 'How can you eat meat? That is horrible!' 'Um, you're literally torturing an animal for fun right now?' 'That is whataboutism!!' I also found it interesting how you mentioned the abstinence (which imv is indeed the ideal until marriage but I knew you wouldn't concur with that stance) but conveniently ignored addressing this part: It's not possible when you've become so accustomed to not doing so …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 04:43 AM
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Idk why you're trying to make this about me, with a bunch of unfounded assumptions about me no less. Unless you're trying to deflect from the toxicity of pornsickness, which wouldn't surprise me at all. It's only fair to bring up your hypocrisy if you're going to judge others. No, I'm not going to buy that you're impoverished and never spend on luxuries. Well you didn't say it outright but your actions indicate that's your underlying mindset even if it's mainly subconsciously. It's a mindset egg…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 04:22 AM
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Women are so delusional it's insane. The comments are good too: "As a woman I simply don’t care about a headless nude of a ripped guy, it does nothing for me." The guy who posts about women not being into men / lesbian porn is so right I'm confused about you being banned tho... how can you post if you're banned?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 04:18 AM
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This is once again merely an example of the female in-group bias where they grossly overrate the appearance of women. In reality, women put zero effort whatsoever into their profiles, it's all the same. Maybe if they're interested in women they're forced to do so tho idk. Makeup is the main game changer for women that can even allow them to be in the same zip code as men in terms of ageing quality. Remove that, even from celebrities most of the time, and it's a horror show.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 04:11 AM
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And you don't think men want to know you're interested instead of just stringing him along to get a free meal or whatever? You listed: "They want all the relationship benefits without wanting to commit and not taking it seriously. But they conveniently leave it out until you went on enough dates and talked a bit. To come out with it once you have invested time and there has been some consistency. "Oh I know we have been talking every day and I opened up to you and what not...but I don't want a r…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 04:05 AM
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Thanks... I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 04:02 AM
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Lesbians, on the other hand, are probably in-between. Not as privileged as straight women - logistically, I assume you don't get to demand that the other person pursues you, takes you out, pays for you, earns more than you, has higher status than you. But because neither of you get to demand such things, that's still better than straight men have it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 04:00 AM
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Now I know you've gotta be trolling. Luxuries aren't a perversion in and of themselves and any harm they cause depends entirely on how they are made/used and not at all what they are, unlike porn. Nonetheless, people are exploited making them. But the point is that you could, if you wanted, be helping people enormously but choose not to because it's inconvenient. And there it is - pornsickness leading to a mindset that you're entitled to sex and that women are things to use not human beings to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 03:59 AM
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Yes. Disgusting.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 03:23 AM
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Yes well I often say that when women are whining about the 'patriarchy' and men. But the point is simply that I think women have it easier than men. I never said women cause all problems or whatever. And yes, women fleeing to other countries is much, much easier than Ukrainian men forced to fight and die.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 03:18 AM
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Another whataboutism. But I hate Apple as a company, so no I haven't ever bought an iPhone. It's a valid thing to bring up. You have bought luxuries. You chose them over curing blindness or saving a life. This is worse than me watching porn. This isn't about achieving great feats; it's about basic morality IMV. Not everyone can practically save the world but everyone can practice basic morality. You could cut back but you choose not to, you prioritise your own satisfaction over other people's su…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 03:03 AM
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Why don't you just hire prosties instead?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 02:42 AM
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How is the myth from poor men? It's an extremely common fantasy of women. It's not common, but they wish it was.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 02:41 AM
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Women expect men to pursue them, take them out, and pay for them. They expect men to earn more than them and be higher status than them. This is the baseline.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 02:23 AM
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so you didn't understand the point i was illustrating? that men (elite group or not) are the ones who have had the power to send other men off to die, On the contrary, you didn't understand my point - that the tiny elite being disproportionately male is of no relevance whatsoever to the question of which gender, overall, has it easier. Men are disproportionately at the top and also the bottom. The average man has and has had a harder time than the average woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 01:28 AM
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The investment is inherently imbalanced though, expecting men to put in more effort and do more than them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 01:27 AM
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Yes, but not more than the men. I never said 'every single woman in the entire world has it easier than me'.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 01:26 AM
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I see, good taste. Who could resist this dude?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 01:25 AM
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Romance and indeed sex are critically important things in life. Not a trivial thing at all. I'm not being forced into a war, but I would be if such a scenario happened, men in the USA are forced to sign up for the draft. Women have it easier across the board in society, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 01:23 AM
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ok cool, men are probably sexually assaulted more often than women and probably get catcalled more often than them and stuff too I imagine. You see, it depends on different factors...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 01:22 AM
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Because it's obviously much better than being forced to be mutilated in a horrific war zone.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 01:18 AM
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No there hasn't, the discourse is unchanged in that time. In fact it's more obviously true than ever. The 'nice guys' stuff is just nonsense from women who can't admit how shallow they are so cherrypick to justify the fact they prioritise looks over personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 01:17 AM
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Being inherently valued and desired, able to very easily get sex and relationships. Not having to live up to their gender roles, whilst men are much more harshly judged based on looks, money, and status.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 01:13 AM
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It affects them but men are worse off, being forced to fight and die in them. Women in Ukraine, for example, are free to go and chill in other countries
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 01:12 AM
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A romantic relationship isn’t fulfilling unless he ticks all my other boxes, as I keep saying to you I understand, women do not think logically on this matter and even if he is contributing financially whilst being a great partner, if he does not live up to the arbitrary standards then he's no good.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 01:11 AM
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bruh there's no way you're seriously gonna disagree with such a blatantly true thing How can you possibly disagree with that? You think it's more common for women to approach and pursue men? Or pay for them on dates?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 01:09 AM
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Thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 01:09 AM
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Have you ever bought a luxury in your life, such as an iPhone? Then you chose to do that instead of saving a life or curing blindness in people in poor countries. Me watching porn has never nor will ever result in anyone being trafficked. If I stopped, no fewer people would be.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 01:08 AM
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? We both know all the expectation is on the man to put in all the effort approaching, pursuing, taking them out on dates and paying, jestering for them whilst the woman does nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 01:07 AM
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The gender war, the most brutal of all
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 01:05 AM
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Curiosity
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 01:05 AM
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If you were a man you'd do the same thing, but you're a woman living on easy mode, so...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 01:05 AM
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Who do you find attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 12:59 AM
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Women insist they TOTALLY don't want such attention though and it's of NO USE OR VALIDATION AT ALL to get random men thirsting after them. They constantly argue this here when I talk of their privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 12:58 AM
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I can get those same benefits from a female roommate without the difficulties of dating an incompetent man You can't get the same things, a romantic relationship is fundamentally different. They're not necessarily incompetent just because they work a job that doesn't pay much. Yes I am happy, I come here to encourage women to stay single, and to tell men they are the problem in most of their scenarios they rant about Yeah, spending your precious free time encouraging people to stay single and an…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 12:50 AM
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I just died being forced to fight and die in a war against my will. I was going to be upset about it but then I discovered the tiny elite who forced me into it shared my gender, so actually this means it's cool and not a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 12:47 AM
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They couldn't afford it alone, but if they lived with you it's not all going to be doubled, idk if you have an extra room but if so then you wouldn't even be paying any more at all in mortgage, he'd just be covering some of it with you... ultimately, it'd be financially beneficial for sure. Then add on top of that, if he did 50%+ of the housework (and, if you're earning notably more than him, then perhaps it's fair for him to MORE of the houseowork) you have more free time, etc. You don't seem t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 12:45 AM
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A tiny minority of elites start the wars. Them being mostly men has no benefit to me. It's men who have been FORCED to fight and die in them, like right now where men are dragged kicking and screaming from their homes to do so in Ukraine and Russia.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 12:40 AM
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Exactly. That's just a 'woman'. A man is expected to put in all the effort but still amazingly women complain they don't do enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 12:40 AM
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My opinion is what causes the 'self-hatred' in the first place, you have the order mixed up.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 12:39 AM
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Worst case scenario I've watched some videos of someone who was 'trafficked' which seems highly unlikely but even if it is true, me watching has had no real bearing on whether it continues to happen or not, I'm just an individual. But it's brought me much enjoyment.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 12:38 AM
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Please change your mind! Please give me a chance! I mean, uh... no, I'm not trying to change your mind... I feel as though 60k or whatever would easily cover increased groceries and utility usage and still have plenty left over. This hypothetical man isn't a slob who leaves his hair and snot all over the place or whatever either, but you seem to be assuming all men are like that from a few of your exes. Well, whatever, it's illogical and depriving yourself out of stubbornness imo. I don't really…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 12:36 AM
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You are into one way relationships, you just only care if your needs aren't met. When it's his, it's 'too bad'. Many such cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 12:25 AM
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What 'responsibility'? It'd only be an add-on. You wouldn't be paying for him. He'd still be adding money to the household, just not as much as you like. And you're so unromantic that you can't imagine love transcending such practicalities. What if he did get sick - permanently. Or you did? Leave htem instantly? Why not? Sad!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 12:23 AM
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I do hate it, yes. That's the point I've made, that I'd rather be a woman and think they've had it easier, especially today.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 12:21 AM
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And I've already explained how it's illogical to choose being single over failing to live up to the income threshold. It'd be like if you were offered a 50k raise and you said 'no, I will only accept a 70k raise' or something. Only if you assume men are all bad and won't be worth being with or cause other problems does it make sense. It's still more than you have now. But yes, I understand women think in a superficial, demanding, binary way where it's 'good' or 'shit', etc. That much is clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 12:19 AM
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Bruh yes I do, why would you think otherwise? I assumed you're woke and therefore are the sort to tell people not to shame others for their fetishes etc. It's not going to help you improve upon anything. Rather, it only makes you complacent and feeds into a totally selfish (and at the same time bad for you) mindset. Again though I know we won't agree on this There's no real harm I'm doing, but I enjoy watching it and haven't observed any harm it's done to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 12:14 AM
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Far more men died than women. Fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 12:13 AM
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This is a purely hypothetical scenario where the man is good. But if you really hate men so much you can't even envision such a scenario, well, that says it all really. Women, especially on this subreddit, do not have reasonable standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 12:12 AM
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What does someone's filter have to do with your worth as a person? Do you see how illogical it would be for anyone to base their self-esteem majorly or totally on external validation? Men are largely judged in society based on how much we appeal to women and how successful we are with them. Self-worth is very heavily influenced by how others see you and treat you. As a woman, you are inherently desired and valued. I know you don't think this is of any use, because you're so used to it, but it'd …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 12:09 AM
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You haven't explained it. You said you'd rather have a female roommate or something, but we are specifically comparing it to being single and living on your own. There's only upsides to having a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 12:06 AM
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Tens of millions of men died in WW2. Either way, I'd rather be assaulted than killed.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 12:05 AM
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In this hypothetical scenario, he's a good man who you will love, except he's poor. Where's the downside over being single? It's Jack from Titanic or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 12:03 AM
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A small fraction compared to the number who died in those wars. And a better fate.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 12:00 AM
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Then don't be surprised if he's unhappy and looks elsewhere to fulfil his needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:55 PM
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Because men are wired to want regular sex, and most women not wanting it is an obstacle to that, especially if they resent him for his natural impulses.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:55 PM
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Like being forced to go and fight in the most horrific wars against your will? Only a tiny elite of men had it good. By and large, women had it easier always.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:53 PM
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I agree, it's far worse. Women have it far easier than men and live life on easy mode.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:52 PM
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I can see the cuck argument but firstly you probably don't even think it's wrong to be a cuck in general, so why care about that? Secondly, it's not like I'm foregoing better things, real relationships, so it's the best I can get. I've yet to see any negative effects from me watching it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:51 PM
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You are worthy no matter your height, wealth, etc. We all are. It's a nice thought but that's only how it works for women. Men are ruthlessly, brutally filtered based largely on things outside of our control. Women swipe right on only 5% of men, and view 80% of men as below average. It's men who have to pursue, jester, work hard to impress women, are usually expected to pay for them on dates, all of that. We are less valued and less desired than women are. If we earn less than them, are lower st…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:49 PM
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Fake news. As she said, they're also more often on the serious relationship apps. And the fact men have to jester and put in all the effort on dates is because they want romance more in general
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:45 PM
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Yes, always. At no point in history would I choose to be a man over a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:42 PM
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There's no discourse on 'low effort women' because that's the default nature of women, expecting men to put in the majority of effort, particularly when it comes to dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:37 PM
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tfw those actors are 'ludicrously good looking' for our standards
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:35 PM
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It's not controversial that women are pickier than men. I regularly have to argue this basic point, right now I'm in a back-and-forth with a woman who doesn't want to admit it. But men don't need to appeal to everyone, they only need to appeal to one Women have remarkably narrow tastes, massive overlap. Men ahve far more diverse tastes. Yes, I want women to be honest about how shallow they are. No, I don't have to respect how their mind works.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:33 PM
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No surprise, the women who are the most reasonable and nice to me on here tend to be significantly older tfw no gilf gf
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:28 PM
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both men and women are biased in favour of women and against men, it's no surprise.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:27 PM
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fake news Here's some actually good content on it
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:25 PM
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But at least it doesn't involve gooning to (and often trafficking) real live people How common is this, really? Most porn is just like... big well-known American porn stars and stuff. I mostly watch amateur porn anyway just normal couples, do I get your seal of approval now? Except many of those men develop their stance and reach anti-porn conclusions of their own volition; they aren't forced by women or anyone else. Because what women are saying turns out to not be nonsense after all! Some of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:21 PM
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Why are you at dinner at all? If it wasn’t interest in company and it was for sex, why didn't you hire someone. It wouldn't be just for sex, no, it'd be to get to know someone with the intent of entering a relationship with them. Women don't need your company. You get something out of being around a beautiful woman and now you try to devalue it, ironically making it more difficult for guys like you to get dates because why should women deal with this? This is a bizarre and narcissistic mindset t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:14 PM
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I am distressed by it, but I don't see how I can address it other than if I can magically change how society assigns gender roles to men, and force women to stop judging men so harshly based on looks, money and status, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 10:48 PM
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You're asking me not to believe my own eyes. It's common for women to demand a man is 6ft or has other specific measurements, etc. Men don't do that sort of thing. And it's just factually true that women are far more selective. And also that they're hypergamous and care far more about money and status. What are you even disputing?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 10:45 PM
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I'm sure you'll be deeply insulted when I say you have a heart of gold. A heart of silver isn't good enough for you? Typical woman...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 10:43 PM
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And maybe flowers on the first date? No, that's too much. You said this. Be real, you expect them to buy you gifts and will be turned off if they don't pay for your meal.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 10:39 PM
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It's no coincidence you used that, it's quite literally how women think. Looks, money, status.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 10:38 PM
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They still need to be seen as a woman and not a dude tho
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 10:33 PM
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Generally women complain about men not putting in enough effort when what they're really complaining about is that he only put in 70% of the effort and not 90% of it or something. It's the men who are expected to approach, pursue, plan/pay for the date, constantly be jestering and trying to impress the woman, and so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 10:32 PM
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If I could pass I'd consider it but don't think I would.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 10:26 PM
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In your post you even say how you expect them to buy you flowers and stuff, so... Presumably you won't be going on a second date with guys who don't worship you and pay for your meal and stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 10:26 PM
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Women were not subjugated and always had easier lives than men. I'd always rather have been a woman in history, if given the choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 10:21 PM
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Ok, and if they don't expect sex, you still expect them to fulfil their gender roles, to pay for you, to give you gifts, and so on. You act as though men owe you, and are essentially already acting as a prostitute who needs to be paid, just instead of sex it's your company. It's already transactional. You're not simply interested in talking to men and bonding with them, you want an imbalance from the get-go where you feel entitled to these things whilst not having to do anything like that yourse…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 10:20 PM
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Don't pay for my dinner? Id rather go 50/50 than you treat me like a prostitute You, like most women, most likely expect the man to pay for you due to being entitled. Women expect men to pursue them, pay for them, give them gifts, etc., solely because they're men and women see themselves as special princesses, and then they see sex as a 'reward' or something, when they do have sex obviously it's of benefit to them as well because women supposedly like sex with men. Basically at all points in tim…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 10:11 PM
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What?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 10:06 PM
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So, should I have sex cuz you paid for a dinner? Should I pay for your dinner because... nothing? Just because I'm a man? You're happy with unfair expectations until it hits you. Women would not handle being a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 10:05 PM
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That's what they all say, until they reach a point where they finally have to acknowledge its toxicity. It's not toxic. Less toxic than the insane stuff women read about dark triad billionaire werewolves, in any case. But how does women being against porn explain all the men who are likewise? They exist too. And if porn really makes men so happy then why do so many of them admit they feel bad after gooning to porn yet even then so many aren't willing to stop it? The definition of insanity is doi…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 10:03 PM
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What works with my friend, I find annoying What works with me, my friend feels is not enough effort Etc etc etc Now imagine how fucking exhausting it is navigating that and constantly having to change your approach and consider this whilst approaching various different people and dealing with rejection constantly. But you can't imagine it, as you're a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 10:00 PM
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Men face far harsher consequences for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 09:59 PM
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Trust a woman to make it about money. Most of the complaints here are basically 'It's not fair that I don't get to just be treated like a princess without giving him anything in return!'
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 09:57 PM
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Well, they have it far easier than men in every way.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 09:52 PM
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What 'effort' did you put in?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 09:51 PM
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When women are rejected they often don't respond well to it either. It's just a rare occurrence for a woman whilst men have to put up with it constantly.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 09:50 PM
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What does a man get to expect from you, then? It seems you get to expect the man to do all the work and pursue and presumably pay for you, and give you gifts, solely because you're a woman and he's a man. What does he get to uniquely expect of you? The 1 in 4 stat is bullshit btw, and women should stop picking dark triad types.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 09:47 PM
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Women have always had it easier than men. But this is especially true now. 'Standing up for yourselves' by hating men is not going to make it better and will just reduce any empathy men have for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 09:44 PM
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Women have always had it easier than men. Typically, women force their way into men's spaces nowadays but the other way around is not acceptable.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 09:43 PM
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Women have always had it easier than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 09:43 PM
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It's literally no different to 'practising more caution' towards people based on ethnicity.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 09:41 PM
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Not nearly as commonly or as socially accepted as misandry.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 09:41 PM
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What reason do you have to believe men are jsut as selective for relationships? The fact men are the oens who have to pursue women, court them, jester for them, pay for them, try to impress them alone shows you waht the truth is. This woman describing chasing Chad (which is what all women want) inadvertently describes what it's like to date as an average man.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 09:15 PM
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B. But I don't think it's equivalent to the scenario irl because relationships often happen after a hookup, and I believe women can get both hookups and relationships easier than men can.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 09:11 PM
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Nah. Men are not picky like women are. Hence why they swipe right on most women, and women swipe right on 5%.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 09:07 PM
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Yes, women get pregnant, not the men, so they should be able to decide what to do with it, and only they should face the consequences of that choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 09:06 PM
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It's not the same, women have far more control over the pregnancy. This would be fine if men weren't forced to pay for their decision to keep the baby, but they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 08:47 PM
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There's plenty of men who actively prefer unusually tall women, or unusually fat women (BBW), actively prefer small breasts, etc. Men have extremely diverse tastes. Women do not.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 08:46 PM
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They very clearly are. And the fact that women swipe right on only 5% of men on apps, view 80% of men as ugly, and have ultra-specific demands that men need to reach specific measurements, etc. is proof of this. Men don't behave in such a way.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 08:44 PM
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If something is done unconsciously, it’s not selection. Do you choose to breathe? No And yet I can choose to breathe faster, or out my nose or my mouth, or hold my breath. I have some control over how it happens. And women have control over how shallow they behave. It's also why men don't instantly leave their wife for a younger woman or something, especially if it turns out she can't have kids or something - which doesn't make sense, biologically. You haven't shown me any science at all. It's a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 08:40 PM
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Women don't woo or do any work like that. And in bed they typically don't do any work; the reason the gap exists is because they're just hard work.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 08:38 PM
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Sometimes I'm responding to like 5 different people at once, it gets hard to remember ok
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 03:10 PM
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Porn has never harmed me. Women just don't like it because it makes men happy and they don't control it, I suspect.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 03:09 PM
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Still less narcissistic than your average woman who doesn't even do this
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 03:06 PM
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Women are far more guilty of that, valuing a man for what he provides or does, like a tool, than who he is.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 03:04 PM
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Before you were arguing women aren't more selective, are you now conceding the point? I don't care if it's genetic and women are primal animals unable to think for themselves or control their actions. It's no consolation to men who go unselected because of how picky women are and are judged so harshly. My point from the beginning is simply that women have it much easier, which they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 03:00 PM
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They are more likely to regret it than men. And if they don’t get off why would they even want to? Idk women still do it and have a similar bodycount to men. You do have control. Assuming you weren’t raped or had your sperm stolen 😂 most of the time a man chooses to have sex with a woman and cum in her. Women can choose abortion because women get pregnant. A man can get a vasectomy and a woman can’t that’s not anyones fault it’s just how our bodies are. You can get your tubes tied, that's the eq…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 02:52 PM
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'I prefer short, fat, bald guys with small penises' said no woman ever. Women have very narrow tastes, generally speaking. Huge overlap.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 02:50 PM
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What relevance is this? Are you now saying 'yes we're far more selective but it's okay because we're being darwinian eugenicists and filtering out bad genes'? Okay...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 02:47 PM
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Instead of engaging the point, you immediately reframe women’s honesty as “horrific truths,” minimize what women deal with, accuse women of dishonesty, and redirect the conversation back to male issues. Yes, I find them to be horrific, and used an analogy to demonstrate how women would do the same in certain circumstances. You essentially want a private space to be like 'haha men who aren't x y z are DISGUSTING!' and then expect those men described to not be offended by it. Multiply this by an u…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 02:46 PM
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It's not very validating because they don't actually like you. They just want to do stuff to your body? It's not really validating having a bunch of horny men lust over you but not actually like you. It's more like junk mail. It's hollow and empty. I know it feels that way to you, because it's so normal to you. But I think if all that went away and no one was interested in you or found you hot, no one ever complimented you, suddenly you got 0 matches on dating apps, you'd suddenly realise how ba…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 02:39 PM
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I'm just not convinced this is true from what I've seen, sadly. Women are a lot pickier than men are in general and seem just as focused on looks as men are, but with even more specific requirements about exact heights they want and such. Whilst also wanting the man to be richer and higher status than them on top of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 02:36 PM
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With disdain, like some sort of gross mutant, and never considered worthy of companionship.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 02:32 PM
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If he is kind, loving, great, amazing and fulfils all my needs, that’s great! But income still matters, the world runs on money and so do I as I want to be able to enjoy my life and not live paycheck to paycheck. If the alternative is not a richer guy, but being single, then it will only be worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 02:30 PM
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I don't really understand how you'd rather be single than be with a man who makes idk 60k a year but is super kind and loving. You'd make (your income) + 60k, have to do less housework, and have someone you loved to keep you company. This is one of the main differences between men and women, men don't really care about it much whereas women are often obsessive about it (your standards and actions, like your sexuality, seem to be an outlier with most women being far more shallow).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 02:16 AM
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Again. Never said he has to earn more than me, just enough to live which will be enough to provide if I am sick/have a child and take months off of work. I never said if he makes less than me he’s shit 😂 Straw man argument. wtf you literally said contributing less than 50% of your household income was shit in your mind. How else am I supposed to interpret it? Yeah I want kids with the right person or by myself. Do you realise that a guy who doesn't make much money is still a net gain financially…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 02:04 AM
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Ok well it's what pretty much all the research says, for example: For the “go to bed with me tonight” request, about 72–75% of men said yes, while 0% of women did. For the intermediate “come to my apartment” request, around 69–75% of men agreed versus roughly 0–6% of women across replications. This is often cited as evidence that a large proportion of men will accept casual sex from an unknown but minimally attractive partner, whereas almost no women will under the same conditions. (Gender Diffe…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 02:01 AM
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Anything less than 50% to me, is shit. Call it shallow, I don’t care, cause it’s not. Of course it's shallow lol. Imagine a doctor considered you shit because you earned less than him. Most women earn less than their husbands because of how shalow they are on this regard, men aren't so judgey. Yes, if my dad was handsome, I would consider that attractive. Null point Bizarre tbh. 'I'm attracted to my dad'. But ok. I have never once said I want a rich dude btw? But I just want a man without debt, …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 01:43 AM
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I do know what it’s like considering I was bullied and looked over until I was 20 and got my acts and looks together. Even now I’m still a 4-5/10. Besides the point anyway. You partially understand what it's like, now imagine being a man and it being even worse whilst you also had the additional pressures of money/status, AND then you're told you're less valuable and less wanted by the gender you're attracted to - does this sound good? Does it? Want to trade? Women wanting to wait for the right …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 01:27 AM
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Everyone is judged. Doesn’t matter how hard, or what they’re judged on. It literally does lol. It's obviously much more of a burden to be judged far more harshly. You just don't know what it's like. Yes most people want relationships. But most women only want the RIGHT relationship and are happy to wait for that. Yeah, they're pickier and greedier/shallower. You don’t understand the concept of being physically attracted but not wanting to fuck them, because you’re a typical man, who can’t just a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 01:10 AM
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Everyone is judged on everything in their life. Height is just one of those. Earning a good amount of money, having socially acceptable status and being somewhat clean/hygienic/well kept/healthy is just part of being a successful adult - in terms of dating, yes, but also your career, social life and physical/mental wellbeing. Women are not judged nearly as harshly. You've essentially already admitted this. Especially not on money and status. If men don’t need more women, then they’d be okay with…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 12:57 AM
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How does it bother you though? What part of it bothers/affects you? To be judged primarily not on who I am but what I earn, my status, and incredibly specific arbitrary measurements like being over 6 ft is dehumanising and unromantic. It's like a business arrangement more than love. Men do need women more yes, that is a fact. Is it a fact? I'm not so sure. But if I concede that it is, again, that also answers your above question does it not? It shouldn't be surprising to find it disturbing that …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 12:08 AM
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It literally is and the stats I just showed demonstrate it. Men are dramatically less picky than women and, broadly speaking, will fuck anything that moves.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:58 PM
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“The psychology of women is dark and bothers men”. So stop being bothered by it? Crazy idea, right? Focus on yourself. I can't choose to not be bothered by it. It's disturbing. I’ve never let a man pay for me on a first date so idk what you’re on about - and we always went go for go paying in relationships. I’m a big girl and don’t need no man like you claim I do. What I bring is maturity, stability, connection, and logic - a lot of things men don’t have. From the way you talk you wouldn't expec…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:57 PM
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Men should pursue, yes, considering they are the ones desperate for sex/relationships more than women. The one that wins in the women’s eyes at the end of the day is the one that treats her like a princess with effort and appreciation. How you can call men lazy when you are literally saying you should sit back and relax whilst they do all the work is insane. Hypocrisy doesn't begin to describe it. And btw this is apparently the gender you wish you were? Lol. It's clear that women have the privil…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:39 PM
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Yep
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:35 PM
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Yes I understand analogies but you can’t compare slavery (illegal) to personal preference. It’s that simple. The analogy you provided is simple as it doesn’t compare anything illegal/not illegal. You can't compare soccer to dating, as dating is not a sport! Whatever bro, let's just drop it, point is: the psychology of women is dark and understandably bothers men. The former doesn’t always win. You’re nuts. Nobody wants to fuck hitler or a psycho or a deadbeat. The one with the great personality …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:31 PM
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your bf should dress really embarrassingly in a fedora and flame shirt and cape or something and see how accepting you suddenly are
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:26 PM
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I don’t get to be picky considering all the men my age are incompetent and lazy. There’s nothing to want, there. I’d rather be by myself. This is standard female narcissism and entitlement. You expect them to do all the work, to pursue you, to pay for you, to earn more than you, to live up to all your standards. You have to do nothing. And yet you claim they're the lazy ones. But to answer your other statement saying no woman struggles - nobody wanted to even go on a date with me until I was 20.…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:20 PM
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Blatantly untrue. This is only true for women. It would also require you to believe that men are pursuing and dating/having sex with women they aren't attracted to. <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:17 PM
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Responding “this way” to analogies? You mean, pointing out you’re comparing attraction/preferences to an inhumane and illegal act and say it comes down to “honesty”? Righto If I said something like 'for women, dating is like playing soccer with an open net an no goalie', you'd say 'uh wtf? dating doesn't even involve sports'. I'm not saying that female sexual preferences are as bad as wanting to enslave women, I'm saying that the you're focusing on the honesty element which is irrelevant. The po…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:16 PM
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You seemed to accept the frame of that okcupid study before, but focused on the messaging rate. Which is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:10 PM
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Men definitely DO do things like that. Nope. As I've said, you never see men saying 'must have DD cup size or above', 'must be under 5 ft 2' or whatever. Women are the ones who demand specific hsallow metrics. They aren’t less shallow. They are tho, far less picky, finding normal average women attractive, and not caring as much about superfciial things like money and status. If you’re unattractive to men you won’t even be glanced at, maybe just for a quick root. Fake news. No women struggles to …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:08 PM
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If they're not attracted to 80% of dudes then it doesn't make much sense for the majority of relationships to have mutual attraction. They're attracted to the money/status etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 10:25 PM
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Is it really desiring women? If it's just wanting sex with women? A lot of guys want to have sex with women Yes. It'd be incredibly validating to be desired by thousands of women on dating apps as a guy. Also, even your boyfriend, when you have sex with him, is hyper-focused on his desire for you personally. But judging from the porn thing etc., it seems like women are more focused on 'how he makes her feel' rather than desiring HIM in the same way as you are desired. It's like he's a tool more …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 10:23 PM
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Anything I show you, any study, will have some sort of excuse for you to bat it away. Do you deny that women are pickier than men?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 10:21 PM
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We don't know what they messaged them with, or the rate at which they did it. Besides, on modern dating apps, you can't even message people you haven't matched with. The most important thing is that we can see women find 80% of men as unattractive, do you really think they're going out with men they find unattractive? Because if so, that's... what you just denied.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 10:11 PM
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I like tall guys. Many other women like tall guys. But it’s not a deal breaker if the guy ticks my other boxes. For many women it is a deal breaker and they actively filter out men who aren't 6 ft. Men don't typically do things like this, they are far less shallow than women, whilst also not caring nearly as much about things like wealth and status. Women will never be labeled as “manly” because regardless of height or physical characteristics/attributes or lack thereof, they still want us for s…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 10:04 PM
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This is crazy logic, how are you comparing slavery to attraction? Women having preferences and being attracted to specific traits is not a “horrific truth”. So you're one of these people who responds this way to analogies. The point isn't to say they are equal, it is to demonstrate that 'honesty' isn't what is being poorly handled, but the dark truth that is being revealed. What issues would women have with male sexuality - what on earth do you mean? I've often seen women complain about 'unfair/…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 10:01 PM
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We both know the reaction to folks like Jeremy Meeks, and the supreme importance of looks, idk why you insist. https://preview.redd.it/s2g3p9b7rr1h1.jpeg?width=1318&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9abc074b09497a901ab0bbffcf71d7e51377e19c Women enter relationships but men have to jester for them, and women expect men to earn more than them, be higher status, etc. that's probably how they overcome the lack of attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 09:54 PM
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How many screenshots do you need? What will prove it to you? Women aren't always able to get Chad so sometimes have to settle for betabux they don't truly desire, etc. The point is just that personality is irrelevant compared to looks, money, and status (what women crave).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 09:42 PM
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Most men aren't super lonely terminally online whinging about dating app stats or black pilled/Red pilled. Ok, but men are still far less picky than women. Women find most men unattractive and aren't into them like men are into women. That's the point from the beginning. And the OK cupid study is really old. Yeah, it's most likely a lot worse now. It's about pleasure. And the pleasure for men revolves around desiring that woman, for women it's focused on her body. Doesn't feel good if you're a m…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 09:38 PM
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It's just constant everywhere you look. There are endless examples. Why do you pretend reality is different? You can also see it by how women swipe right on only 5% of men, and make specific demands of their height and such. Women are very shallow.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 09:35 PM
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Yeah when confronted by reality that's the usual response, to just deny it. But that's how it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 09:32 PM
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I wish I had these sorts of... social skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 09:19 PM
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Which man/woman in it did you find most attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 09:18 PM
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It's just that they find the vast majority of men unattractive, and approach turbo Chads only.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 09:14 PM
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In reality, of course, women are far more selective and you know this. How often do you see men saying 'you MUST be under 5 ft 2 or don't bother', 'you MUST have at least a DD cup size'? It doesn't happen, meanwhile women are not shy about demanding men are a specific height or whatever. Men are far more harshly judged. And, as I said, women have other superficial requirements regarding money/status and such... women are more shallow than men. <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 09:05 PM
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It's inconsequential compared to looks. The Chad with a bad personality will always win over the normie with a good personality (note I'm not saying Chads necessarily have bad personalities).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 08:56 PM
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I think it's normal to not find many people attractive? You are unique? Wow, you really don't know what it's like for men huh? I'm not unique. Men find MOST women attractive and would happily bang them. <image> Whereas women find 80% of men as below average. But if sex = pleasure why not watch someone receiving pleasure? I guess that's why I think women watch lesbian porn. For men, the point is the woman, who we desire. For women it's more self-centred. It's unimaginable for most men to be able …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 08:54 PM
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Oh no we really care if you’re fat. Being fit and thin is the number one thing a man can do to be attractive to women. Yes, well, you're framing it as men being particularly lazy when irl women are more likely to be obese. Women do all sorts of things men often say they don't like. It's not fair to criticise men for it. And yeah some people will shame you for makeup. But sex is a bigger motivator supposedly, no? And if like in Korea more men started wearing makeup it would become the norm. Me do…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 08:48 PM
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Men are judged far more harshly for looks by women, in addition to having to be the ones to pursue, to take the lead, to pay on dates, and be expected to be richer and higher status than the woman. Yes, men have it far harder than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 08:45 PM
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They can in most cases. <image> Personality is fairly inconsequential in the grand scheme of things.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 08:42 PM
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More women are obese than men are in the USA. Men are shamed for not living up to gender roles and if you wear makeup as a man you will be shamed for it irl. What you're describing is partially true, women can feel this way, much weaker than men can, and mainly whne they're ovulating, but here's the kicker: it's Chad only. If you weren't born with such genetics, it's not gonna happen for you. Women are largely interested, as the other guy said, with genetic traits one cannot control such as heig…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 08:32 PM
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It really doesn't seem that hard to just bang random dudes in a city of millions or whatever from tinder and not have your future partner find out about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 08:27 PM
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Men cannot handle honesty from women. Not in the way they claim. You confuse 'being able to handle honesty' with 'being okay with horrific truths'. If all men were like 'yeah I think women should be enslaved tbh' and women reacted negatively to this, it would be silly to say 'ok wow you can't handle honesty then?' Famously, of course, women have never taken issue with male sexuality or the things they say, locker room talk, etc. I have never seen feminists getting upset about it. What 'risk mana…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 08:18 PM
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No one in the world is baffled by it. It's simply that women often claim untrue things like personality matters more.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 08:12 PM
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(though this sub is a great example of how wildly men crash out about relatively mundane things like being attracted to height), It shouldn't be too surprising to see people 'crash out' if they're treated like a subhuman for something out of their control. If men collectively decided that any woman over 5 ft 1 was gross and manly and treated them as such, women would begin to understand. But to answer the question, I don't think so. Women don't like to be honest about this sort of thing because …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 08:08 PM
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I disagree. They don't care about the car itself but they care about what it signals, his wealth. (unless she's a gold digger, but those types should be avoided anyways) AWALT
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 08:02 PM
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Probably think it's 100% looks
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 08:02 PM
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He's right. I look forward to his next thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 08:00 PM
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We do not know what it's like to have a period or whatever. But it's just clear, obvious and undeniable reality that women don't face rejection like men do (unless they only approach turbo Chads which tbf might be true).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 07:59 PM
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You've become awfully black pilled in this exchange. Before you seemed more hopeful and positive about it. Now it's all 'yep life sucks, we're all just soulless animals coldly controlled by evolution, deal with it idiot'.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 07:56 PM
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The red eyes, claws, and fangs mainly. (I've only ever seen feminists go on endlessly about everything being misogyny).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 07:53 PM
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I would say I probably find a guy attractive once or twice a year? Like head turning, "ooh" so for me it's like 95/5. I also think it's not normal to find many people attractive? It's a treat when you do (dopamine is released what not) most dudes are kinda neutral and don't grab my attention Depends what you mean by normal. Once or twice a year for you? It's more like once or twice a day for men. This shows how insane women's standards are. I think because lesbian porn has more to do with the pl…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 07:48 PM
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They want to hook up with Chad only.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 07:45 PM
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Women want the best for their future children. I don't want to just be some tool to use for her future children, that seems pretty bleak to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 07:44 PM
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Do you feel like some sort of feral animal who is unable to control your desire for men based on their money and status above all else?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 07:43 PM
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Let's give it a shot
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 07:42 PM
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You claim that looks are not more improtant than perosnality. And yet we can all see that good looking assholes do better than kind/normal average or ugly men. It's as simple as that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 07:42 PM
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Are you offering all the things on your list? No, but I've revised the list now to: Is me And I offer all of this list. What would you say a attractive man is that women are allowed to expect? Someone they find attractive without getting greedy about it. No woman is only attracted to men of an arbitrary height like 6 ft. It's just being superficial when you set such requirements. I am over 6 ft though, so y'all don't worry about that one now.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 07:37 AM
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I've changed my mind actually, women aren't allowed anyone other than me specifically. If we just go from your list, what percentage of men do you think offer the things on your list? A significant portion, probably 50%+. The main issue is 'attractive' because women have a warped sense of attraction and have come to believe that 80% or more of men are below average.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 07:20 AM
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There was a woman on another subreddit who tried to tell me that some women struggle to get dates just as much as incels. She mentioned the actress Leslie Jones as an example of a woman who no one wants to date and has stayed single. I told her I'd date Leslie Jones, and also I'd date her if she wanted. No response, naturally. I have to remember to mentally add the word 'Chad' to any problem a woman is describing in regard to dating. So 'Some women struggle to get dates' becomes, more accurately…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 06:40 AM
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Oh, I misunderstood your previous comment. Well, firstly, women are allowed to have any standards they want, I'm not in a position to force them not to (unfortunately). But if you're asking what I think is reasonable, then I'd say: Kind Intelligent Funny Competent Attractive (note: to be attractive you don't realistically need to meet specific demands. Do I seriously believe that women are attracted to a man that is 6ft but not 5 ft 11.5? No. Such demands are overly superficial) In a perfect wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 06:04 AM
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It's funny to see women get a small taste of what it's like being a man. She describes what it's like to be dating as a male very accurately, how humiliating and imbalanced it is. I suppose trying to date Chads is about the closest most women can come to understanding.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 05:30 AM
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Men must be richer than me (confirmed in data for hypergamy in each nation) Men must be higher status than me Men must be 6ft+ Men men must be conventionally attractive, ideally Chad etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 05:22 AM
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Yes because you are not a woman. Men don’t experience emotional fall out from casual sex why would they? It cost them nothing. There's plenty of women who don't mind hooking up and keeping it as that. Men rarely regret casual sex women mostly regret casual sex. What does that tell ya? That women are a lot harder to get off. Also idk if I believe this is even true, that they mostly regret it. Also abortion doesn’t change much. I would still have to get an abortion he wouldn’t so again he is riski…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 04:47 AM
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How do you figure that it's misogyny? The capacity of feminists to tie everything back to misogyny continues to impress.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 04:45 AM
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sup BAP
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 03:51 AM
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Men chose women based on her utilities as well. You just deny that women's skills, titles and wealth is useful to their male partners because your are a misogynist. Men do not care nearly as much about such things. This is a consistent finding, that women care far more about money and status than men do. And we see this in hypergamy across all nations, where women seek out and partner with men who are richer and higher status than them. Men get told to chose better as well. No they don't. And th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 03:42 AM
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Have expectations, but if those expectations are 'must be richer than me', 'must be higher status than me' which EVIDENTLY from hypergamy data is how most women think, then don't be surprised if men think that's how women view them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 03:41 AM
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Are gay men more like women when it comes to friendships?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 03:37 AM
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God I love Death Note. Need to do my yearly re-watch.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 03:30 AM
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But what if you couldn't get a gf in the first place because of your height? In any case... women are so often insanely dishonest about this sort of thing. Check this out from the other week. Brootal
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 03:23 AM
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That seems so hard to believe, if true MtF are orders of magntitude louder online for some reason. This is however one of the best arguments for transgenderism being valid, since giving up female privilege and transitioning and becoming a short feminine man without a penis is an unbelievably brutal fate to choose for any other reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 03:07 AM
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They don’t want to be with you they want to use your body to masturbate Don't care, still incredibly flattering to be so desired. And many women still like to be used in such a way, and enjoy casual sex. AND that is a risk to you because them doing so could cause you to become pregnant while it has virtually no consequences for them You have full control over it and aborting it, they can be forced to have their salary docked for 18 years. When men imagine being a woman they forget the whole preg…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 03:06 AM
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This is an irritatingly spammed untrue claim that tells me I'm not talking to someone who deals with facts or reason. It is true, though. People who don't like that it's true try to discredit the data, however. We see this sort of female pickiness across the board, including in how they only swipe right on 5% of men. Your gaslighting has been duly noted. Think that about wraps this exchange up! 'noo u can't just disagree with my nonsensical strawmans noooo'
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 03:03 AM
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I'm sorry that you've struggled to understand my quite clear posts. I'll try to simplify them for you, going forward. Men generally don't treat it like objective fact, you're just making that up. It's like when bluepillers claim 'they see ugly dudes with hot women all the time! It's just ur personality bro!' they may believe this to be true based on their own perception. But the actual evidence that shows how absurdly picky women are points towards it being men who are more reasonable judges.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 02:56 AM
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Well, considering men have reasonable ratings where they rate women on a perfect bellcurve, whilst women see the vast majority of men as ugly, it's clear who is more delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 02:50 AM
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This is the case for all women. They all have the same narrow taste (height etc) and then they add on some of their own demands on top of that. Thus, 80%+ end up unattractive to them, and they swipe right on only 5%. Lesbian porn is the most popular category of porn for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 02:48 AM
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I don't think it's quite that rare but in any case I'd rather be B I think, though both would be bad of course. If what women say is true about rarely getting off with PIV then it seems like you'd be able to compensate by being a tall Chad or whatever, and maybe by that point it'd be too late for them to turn you down because of the implication, whereas your height is always on display and not only affects how you do with women but also how other men/society treats you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 02:44 AM
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Not sure what you expect them to say then, it's their personal assessment. Just like women have this bizarre idea that 80%+ of men are below average.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 02:37 AM
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The men who complain about this the most are ones who think NO ONE will go out with them. There must be some looksmatch, but no woman of any looks will go out with them. Meanwhile, the women here often refuse to admit looks can play a decisive role even though it's obvious how important they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 02:32 AM
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Of course. There's also money and status.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 02:29 AM
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This is life and life is not fair. It's not fair for women or men. We can whine and pout forever, but that's the truth. Well, yes, this is the black pill. It's a bleak and cruel world and indeed there's nothing I can do about it. The only time I've been chased, and quite literally, was in... elementary school, on a 'dress as a career' day or something. I dressed as a doctor and was chased after, 'Dr. [Sidian]'! I should've known then how strong this sort of hypergamous nature is built in to wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 02:13 AM
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Men seem to be able to mostly successfully fight against evolution, society would kinda collapse if we didn't. Women feel unable to do shwne it comes to hypergamy or whatever though.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 02:08 AM
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You hit 40 and you become invisible to young men. As you age interest in you fades. It doesn't last and it's okay. I don't think this is true. Dudes like MILFs. Check out this comment I saw the other day, women always have it wayyy easier than men: <image> I cannot tell you how exhausting it can be as a young woman. No one wants to be validated while going through daily tasks and just living. It can be a real headache. I just feel like this is a privileged thing to say, and being invisible is fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 01:21 AM
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Most woman do not want to do this though. Most of us want sex in a LTR. Well some women are hypersexual, they're living in heaven. But in any case, I'd rather have sex in a LTR as well but it'd still feel INCREDIBLE to be validated by having thousands of people desperate to be with me. The guy I was respondong to simply said, Ugly women are invisible to men, Which clearly isn't true.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 11:53 PM
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'Her equal' is generous. They want someone richer and higher status, but if they HAVE to they might settle for an equal. As for how it made me feel, very sad, it's 80% of what I post about on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 11:46 PM
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Women are the ones who make it this way, though. They just don't want it to be about love and soulmates or whatever, they want it to be about cold, transactional things like money and status. So if it's sad, well... don't do it?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 11:46 PM
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I never thought I'd be defending women on here... what have I become? It's over... If anything, I think men are more guilty of this, me included. See, what I often argue with women on here over is how men are the more romantic gender, because we like women more and crave them, need them. And women are like 'uh nah, I'd have been fine if my husband never came along. I was happy being single' which to me is basically like saying men are just 'fine, I guess' and they don't have this intrinsic NEED …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 10:38 PM
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You mean your block list, or is this a mental list you have? Unclear if I've escaped this fate or not
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 09:50 PM
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Ugly women are invisible to men, it is the closest thing you’ll get to the average male experience, if you don’t like being an ugly woman, you won’t like being an average man, actually you might, in some ways it’s better. No. Any woman. ANY woman. ANY. Can go on a dating app can get hundreds if not thousands of matches from men. Also, as you said, to be an ugly woman is far harder than to be an ugly man because women believe that 80%+ of men are ugly, whereas men find most women attractive. That…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 09:46 PM
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Like that men age faster than women biologically. We just don't live as long. It's a mix of social/behavioural/biological.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 09:43 PM
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Then you disagree with the evidence, some of which was posted to a reply you responded to just now. I could post the Chadfish images of literal Nazis getting hundreds of matches, compared to average guys who get none, but you'd just say it was an outlier or something... I understand it's hard to accept reality when it's bleak.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 09:40 PM
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Point is, women are more shallow than men and it's harder to live up to their standards as a man. And women have it far easier and don't have to put any effort in like men do. They take for granted what a privilege it is to be desired and valued by default.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 09:38 PM
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Correct. Men do not demand women are richer and higher status than them. And men are attracted to most women, whereas women find 80%+ of men below average/ugly. Women be like 'must be 6 ft, must be x y z or you're subhuman', men never say 'you MUST be under 5ft and MUST have this specific hip-to-waist ratio or you're no good' etc. It just doesn't happen. Women are far more shallow than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 09:34 PM
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Most straight men are bluepilled and have been brainwashed to believe women have it harder than them and stuff. And they don't want to appear feminine because women pressure them to live up to masculine gender roles. Honestly I think that what you're searching for is perceived control and agency but you should know that most women don't actually have those things. They do, though. I'd suddenly have enormous weights lifted from my shoulders. I would no longer have to jester and work hard to be se…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 09:31 PM
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There's almost certainly biological elements to it and not just behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 09:29 PM
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I already am, and far more so than women actually. Women have far higher standards for looks, making specific demands of arbitrary heights etc. which men don't do, but in addition they also expect men to fulfil their gender roles such as pursuing them, paying for them, and earning more and being higher status than them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 09:27 PM
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That's news that hasn't reached a lot of women. Go to any random thread on reddit where a man is talking about his dating problems, they will NEVER acknowledge looks are the problem. At best, they may acknowledge their importance occasionally (the women on this subreddit have at this point begrudgingly admitted this) but still downplay their importance massively, still blaming a man's personality on his troubles and refusing to admit looks are far more important.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 09:25 PM
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Women have more mental health issues than men and more as children and teens than men. Be that as it may, men are probably undiagnosed for not seeking help and, more to the point, women being naturally more neurotic or less mentally strong doesn't really mean they have it harder than men as a whole in my view. The fact men die far more from suicide, to me, implies it is much more serious and less seeking attention. Women face additional struggles dealing with health issues from periods and menst…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 09:23 PM
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I assume I'd be like other women and appreciate it if it was Chad. Otherwise no, I'd be spoiled for choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 09:13 PM
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So you just proved my point you liked it because it's rare, I literally already agreed with this. Women are spoiled and don't appreciate it because they have it in abundance. Even a gay dude complimenting me would be pretty cool tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 09:03 PM
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How is it? I withdrew from such a masters recently. I mean, I was due to start in a few months, but chose not to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 08:39 PM
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Congrats, that's the most wrong thing I've read on here in the last week. Any compliment of any kind from any woman is something men will cherish. Still remember when an (unattractive) woman complimented my shoes. Can't imagine how good it would feel for them to compliment my looks or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 08:37 PM
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It isn't and you just explained why. Women are not into (non-Chad) men and don't value their attention. Even then, though, if they became invisible they would miss it despite their protestations.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 08:25 PM
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Ooh, very relevant to my interests. You're studying to be a therapist?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 08:23 PM
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Huh? I just mean whitepilling as in, the opposite of blackpilling, it'd be good if I could fix my issues by just changing my name. I'm white but not American tho
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 08:21 PM
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They're all just poor victims of the matriarchy imo
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 08:20 PM
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Yes, women ironically have a mindset that best fits with a hyper-capitalist, patriarchal and perhaps even fascistic society. The things they often claim to hate the most.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 07:58 PM
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Can you acknowledge how easier life would be if you were a billionaire? It doesn't mean you need such things. I'm currently in therapy, have been to various therapists in the past (and I hate CBT and such because of it being like you and assuming the problem is my mindset when it isn't, tho admittedly haven't tried DBT), I already take lots of vitamin D to make up for the fact I live on a cloudy miserable hell island (UK), have regularly been going outside to do gardening etc. SSRIs are poison.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 07:55 PM
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based if true
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 07:52 PM
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Right, and you dislike it because it's common. Like someone so used to eating caviar or lobster tail or whatever that it becomes meh and so they tell the person forced to eat beans and rice every day 'It's not so easy being me'.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 07:50 PM
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Extremely whitepilling if true since you can easily change your name. Now I just need to know what a good name is to get women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 07:48 PM
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We've been over this, we're not trans just redpilled on how much easier life would be as a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 07:46 PM
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You are more inherently valued by society and generally seen in a more positive light. This has an effect on everything. The biological difficulties are made up for by living longer. But one of the most stark benefits came from before you had your husband, when you were already seen as valuable and desired and didn't have to jester for to get him.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 07:45 PM
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What books did you get? I'm guilty of buying a lot of books and them just sitting on my shelf unread.. one day I'll get to them, one day...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 07:43 PM
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Just 1 day, but felt like 10,000 years! All the most interesting posts come out when I can't respond to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 07:22 PM
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No other takeout makes me feel as reliably gross as pizza for some reason. I always regret it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 08:32 AM
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...how many of those have you read? Are you a big romance book gal? Perhaps I overstated the case by calling it dark triad, where 'asshole' would fit better. But it's still rather concerning and curious how often women seem to want to fantasise about assholes. A naive person might expect the number of romance books where the love interest is an asshole would be 0%. I would not disregard it just because it is not heterosexual if the point is “romance novels.” Well, I assume lesbians aren't able t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 05:48 AM
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I can post again at last. From now on I've got to be on good behaviour and stop responding to people with gifs and other such tomfoolery
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 04:31 AM
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True dat. It's crazy how often i come across bluepill men on here who honestly just seem to believe men are worse than women and constantly put them down and always blame men for everything. Every thread they'll be in there defending women from any mild criticism whilst never caring about unreasonable things said about men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 03:58 AM
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Maybe the BBW thing makes sense now.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 03:55 AM
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I once tried to argue on here that Johnny Bravo is hot and a woman (possibly 'ThatBitchA'?) insisted he wasn't. Sorry bro, I tried...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 03:52 AM
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What is it about lesbian porn that is designed to cater to men? What is it about straight porn that is catered to men? Which aspecs of the latter turn off women? Nonetheless it is irrelevant as you said: Gay male porn is made for gay men. That’s the difference. As though I'd somehow be watching gay porn if it was somehow made for straight men, which in itself seems impossible. I wouldn't, even if there were no other porn, I'd simply use my imagination instead like ye olden days.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 01:34 AM
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You said both are made for men. And that lesbians don't like that. Why are straight women ok with the male gaze when it's lesbian porn if lesbians aren't? I don't even know what porn involving men having sex with other men would even be like if it was somehow aimed at straight men, it doesn't make any sense. The point is I could never watch it because I'm attracted to women, in a serious way unlike how women are 'attracted' to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 01:19 AM
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I don't know how to deal with people who ignore the clear evidence I provide and assert their own headcanon. So more importantly, all I can think is that your username reminds me of this song. Thoughts?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 01:09 AM
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Simply ask it for studies and it will provide them and links to the research. Simple as.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 01:04 AM
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True. I don't like the term because it's used to imply that men in general are privileged, though. The 1% are disproportionately men but they may as well be a different species to me, it doesn't matter that they are mostly male.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 01:03 AM
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They do not demand supermodels or nothing. They do not look at most women and think them disgusting. Meanwhile, women see 80% of men as unattractive and make all sorts of demands of them, including that they live up to these gender roles of being richer than them and such.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 01:02 AM
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I put it in quotation marks because it isn't real, though. Men have been doing more and more housework and childcare over time, and have become more progressive and less expectant of women to fulfil their gender roles. There are men like you (who worship women). But the majority of women still expect men to pursue on dates, pay for them on dates and so on, whilst also expecting men to be providers and earn more than them and have higher status than them. Further, the men who are most successful …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 01:00 AM
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I do not believe in gender roles for men or women. If even the most liberal groups (gen Z college students) do believe in them, and think men should pay on dates, then imagine how much worse it is in less liberal demographics (in theory, the more liberal and progressive you are, the more you should reject traditional gender roles).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 12:55 AM
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Yeah it's weird when people read something into your comment you didn't say at all, isn't it? ...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 12:43 AM
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What the hell is wrong with you? You're saying we need to nuke Europe? Like, every country in Europe? Why would you say that? Don't you care at all about all the innocent lives that would be lost?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 12:39 AM
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Sexual assault is not rare. Sexual assault comes in many form general unwanted sexual touching (e.g. groping), to non violent coercion (not taking no for an answer, even without threats) to violent rape. It is rare. You most likely believe in the nonsensical stats that say '1 in 3' or something but that includes all sorts of trivial nonsense. Men, on average, are not violent or abusive monsters. No, because it's not equivalent. A higher propensity amongst an ethnic demographic, is no where near …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 12:36 AM
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The patriarchy is not real. Gender roles exist, however, but as I've said they primarily exist to benefit women whilst female genders roles are stripped away. Women are the most privileged gender, and ironically the gender that most enforces 'the patriarchy' by wanting men who fulfil their gender roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 12:24 AM
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I haven't seen it. Women want men richer and higher status than them. In that case a guy who isn't very good looking can do well. That's about it
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 12:21 AM
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Okay, so lesbian porn is made for men too. And women watch it because... straight porn is made for men... Make it make sense bro
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 12:21 AM
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Come on now. We now don't just have a difference of opinion, we have a foundational difference of morality. Oh you're an AI luddite as well. Sad! Also, that article notes that men push that just as much as women, if not more. In the first note, the woman said she received pushback for offering to pay. So even in your own example, men are just as to blame for upholding the system you're blaming on "greedy women." If women felt the need to keep up an unfair gender role on their part, people like y…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 11:00 PM
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He's undefeated. Hope he doesn't get taken down now, he must continue his noble fight.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 10:53 PM
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What? Just, what? Lesbian porn is made to appeal to straight viewers? And how is gay porn less desirable to straight people than lesbian porn is?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 10:52 PM
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I do know. Simple as. The idea that women would be ok with their man treating them notably worse than a previous partner is absurd. I do have a stable well paying job. Wanting a man who also has that would not make me "unreasonable" or "greedy." Why would I even consider dating a man who doesn't have these things? It's fine to want a man who is doing as well as you. The unreasonable part is expecting him to be doing BETTER than you. And, also, if you expect him to fulfil his male gender roles (e…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 10:48 PM
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How it feels to read men say this sort of bluepill tomfoolery. I just posted this to someone else, but applies equally to you: Okay, well here's some homework for you. Firstly, go to any AI and ask 'Are women attracted to men who earn more / have higher resources than them? Do women generally care more about their partner's earnings than men do? Provide me with some studies' and see what you find. Secondly, take a gander at this. This describes a study, only 2 years ago, involving THE most liber…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 10:42 PM
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Okay, well here's some homework for you. Firstly, go to any AI and ask 'Are women attracted to men who earn more / have higher resources than them? Do women generally care more about their partner's earnings than men do? Provide me with some studies' and see what you find. Secondly, take a gander at this. This describes a study, only 2 years ago, involving THE most liberal demographic there is - gen Z college students. What did they find? The researchers found that young men paid for all or most…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 10:31 PM
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Men commit the high majority of sexual assaults, assaults and murders of women. (Men commit the high majority of all violent crime) so it's good self protection for women to be pickier than men. It's still rare. I'm gonna ask you the same question I always ask people who say this, which is usually women, it's disappointing for a man to think this way. Would you follow the same logic with treating people of certain ethnicities/skin colours differently, because of crime statistics showing them bei…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 10:22 PM
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It might be easier for women to get into bad relationships, Well this is just it, women have different standards. A 'bad' relationship to them is one where the man doesn't give in to their every whim, and doesn't earn much more money than them, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 10:11 PM
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What have I said that's untrue? It's entirely verifiable. Bluepillers just cannot handle anything that is framed as maybe women having some responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 10:10 PM
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I hate to break it to you, but you might not be unhinged and disrespectful enough to replace him. ...I can change... give me a chance... 😭
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 10:08 PM
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Hypergamy is still seen in every society on Earth. Women inherently desire men who are richer and higher status than them. I genuinely want to understand your reasoning for saying this is not true. Because I don't think you actually believe it. Do you seriously expect me to believe that you have gone through your life without constantly seeing around you women saying they want to marry a rich man, a doctor, whatever? Are you really going to continue to pretend that you think men and women caree …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 10:07 PM
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Men do not have the same power as women. It is dramatically harder to get relationships as a man than it is for a woman. As a result, women have the power, and men do not get to make such demands and have the same sorts of preferences as women unless they are Chad or wealthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 09:17 PM
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The facts are on his side. When combining paid and unpaid labour, men do as much if not more than women. This is on top of earning far more than the woman, usually. Women expect men to fulfil their gender roles; pursue them, pay for them, take the lead. They expect them to earn more and be higher status than them. And then they complain about having to do more housework or childcare whilst the man is working more. 'Gender roles for thee, but not for me'.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 09:15 PM
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The capacity of blue pill men to always blame men for everything whilst downplaying the plight of being a male will never stop surprising me. Women have far higher standards than men. They demand that men jester for them, pay for them, fulfil their gender roles. They have all the power. This is largely because of how desperate men are for them, whilst women are far more ambivalent towards men. Nature is cruel.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 09:11 PM
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yeah it's pretty ridiculous how judgemental people are. Just the other week I was called gay and I was so annoyed I immediately stopped having sex with my husband and walked out.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 09:02 PM
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Under no circumstances, in no universe, would I watch gay porn, even if it was the only porn that existed. It's really not that hard to find, like, amateur porn that isn't focused on men or whatever also.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 08:59 PM
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Why are you booing? He's right
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 08:58 PM
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There are tons of guys who do find it hard though, but when you come up against them you just deny their lived experience and claim they must be brainwashed. Look at this handsome chap talking about how he struggles on the dating app trying to get casual relationships. Now you may say 'lots of men struggle', yeah but look at how brutal the comments are, basically all saying 'LMAO you thought you could have casual relationships whilst not being 6 ft+? Get a load of this guy!' which seems brutal t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 08:56 PM
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Not really, it's a good subreddit with valid points. Here's one post by a woman who admits what's going on. Discuss. btw there's a counterpart called /r/menarenotintowomen
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 08:53 PM
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First of all, I wish I had a basement to dwell in. Secondly, they can enjoy fucking their husbands (although the number of dead bedrooms is sadly high), but this guy still has a point about female sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 08:52 PM
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I know that feel
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 08:45 PM
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KING I aspire to reach his level and attain such a reputation. I should fill in for him and post a topic on the subject during his off time.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 08:44 PM
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It feels weird that I'm the one who has to say this since I'm not short, but I see it all the time. But idk I guess it feels rude for me to bring your attention to it since you somehow haven't noticed it already.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 08:43 PM
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Best romance novels of the last 5 years. Book Lovers - Isogamous The Love Hypothesis - Hypergamous. Dark triad enemies to lovers. Beach Read - Isogamous Fourth Wing - Hypergamous. Dark triad enemies to lovers. Funny Story - Isogamous Love, Theoretically - Hypergamous. Dark triad enemies to lovers. (getting a bit concerned about this pattern now. Let me guess, the next one is 'isogamous'?) Happy Place - Isogamous Better Than the Movies - Isogamous If the Ring Fits - Hypergamous Not in a Billion Y…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 08:33 PM
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I went to therapy since we last talked, she agreed you obviously want Chad just like she does. What now?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 05:37 PM
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yep
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:54 PM
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Because app are inherently shallow. What reason do you have to believe they aren't in real life? They're far pickier than men, do you deny this? Just like if I was presented with 200 women into me, on a dating app which is inherently superficial, I would choose the best looking women. I assume you would too? Not necessarily. People with truly incredible personalities are very rare, the chances of finding someone who has both 10/10 looks (Chad) and such a personality is highly unlikely. But they …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:46 PM
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It seems like toxic positivity to me, being blindly ignorant to how discriminatory people can be towards short people. But ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:36 PM
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Yeah I know as a man that the patriarchy isn't real and women have it easier than men. Women constantly whine about how age gaps are gross, and the research typically shows them going after same age or older. You can keep saying that anything you don't like is just the 'patriarchy' lying if you want but it's silly.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:35 PM
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You're the one who said you didn't want to settle. If you don't have chad (which merely means extremely good looking) then you are settling.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:33 PM
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You have been looking at to much tiktok What's wrong with tiktok? Very popular and probably the most representative of young women. I went into a random thread on r/romancebooks and found this Anyway I think women don't really understand the desire most men have for women and also the fact women can more easily get it also means they don't really panic as much about it. It doesn't from within for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:32 PM
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I never said it was. It's nonetheless who who they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:14 PM
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These men are far more likely to be low value and losers than the average man read: 'I allow my self-worth to be entirely decided by how much I live up to the whims of women' Where are all the 'loser' women complaining? Nowhere to be seen as people like you facilitate a society where women don't have to put in any effort ever and don't struggle to live up to absurd standards like men have to. I understand you, as a bluepiller, will just think that men are inherently inferior to women or somethin…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:13 PM
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Yeah I do, you didn't hear the news? Luckily most men aren't as self-hating as blue pill guys. I swear like clockwork I can go into a thread and predict the bluepill men's response just by how self-hating it is
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:11 PM
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yes it's upsetting to see men get so longhoused! wake up, brother!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:08 PM
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how dare you call me red pilled, I'm much FURTHER BEYOND ...also yes, it's very commonly found in the research that men prioritise youth and women often seek men a similar age or older, you know this is true and matches your observations irl idk why you pretend otherwise
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:04 PM
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🥺👉👈
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 03:02 PM
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I’m saying that most women don’t prioritize a man’s desire to spend a few hours a day fucking, a ...but why are you saying this? I never mentioned that at all I know YOU appear to not be this way but the vast majority of women are. Your partner only had one other sexual partner because of how picky women are, despite him presumably having a good personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 03:01 PM
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Well, we do And you see how they were just like 'uhh you're not tall, you think you can have casual relationships? lmfao' Brutal stuff frankly.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:59 PM
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Glad to be of service.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:58 PM
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no u
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:37 PM
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Huh, must just be a coincidence that hypergamy is found in every single society on Earth, even the most egalitarian like Norway. Nah, women want dudes to be richer and higher status than them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:37 PM
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Apps are 1 environment, and when women have an abundance of options, they are going to chose the best. Why? If they're not shallow then we should expect them to prioritise personality and not see 80% of men as unappealing, etc. They should care more about personality. But that's not how they are. Just like the guy I mentioned who got a blowjob from 2 women in the bathroom. He could have chosen practically any single woman in the crowd, and he chose 2 of the most beautiful (according to my friend…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:29 PM
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you're somehow dispensing all these blackpills whilst still defending women, incredible stuff Tom!! They prioritise looks too, and we can see that they only swipe right on 5% of men, and consider 80% of men as unattractive from prior data, showing that they not only care about looks a lot but also are extremely picky about it in a way that men aren't. Now you're telling me they also value youth as much as men which, if true, is basically the one (1) thing that men had over them that was more sha…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:35 PM
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Funny tho
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:24 PM
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I love him
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:22 PM
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A man can dream
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:17 PM
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Lol I'm not surprised after your comments on paying for dates. I can predict all your views by thinking 'what would be the position that would be worse for men whilst elevating women?' Naturally, my view is the opposite. Ban onlyfans, but allow prostitution.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:15 PM
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I could've posted that myself. Very true.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:13 PM
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Let me get this straight. You're a woman and you went for a dark triad, tall, wealthy Chad? That's crazy, I've never seen this before.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:13 PM
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Making a blackpilled post on a woke subreddit and they somehow interpret it as feminist and upvote it
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:09 PM
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I know, I'm not saying otherwise. Average men don't get to bang Stacy, but average women get to bang Chad. Men have to settle from the get-go, women only when it comes to long term relationships as they age. I assume being gay is like the best of both worlds, high libido + actually getting to express it, with Chads also. I'm jelly
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:59 PM
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The UK. Unfortunately, we are not a state. Hopefully Trump will colonise us soon, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:58 PM
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The law prevents women from being prosecuted for killing their babies at any time prior to birth.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:45 PM
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Whoa! I bet your tastes are, like, radically different. You probably love fat, short, bald guys. Lol no, your tastes are trivially different, women all have the same preferences just very minor deviations from that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:44 PM
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Then maybe don't respond to my post about it being made legal with 'based'
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:40 PM
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Yeah, and waht you find cute is the same as all women more or less, Chad. Though you might have been forced to settle.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:40 PM
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I've seen research in the past that shows they are most attracted to men around their age or slightly older, and it seems to line up anecdotally with women claiming that young men are too young and seem like kids or whatever whilst being the ones who push the age gap shame discourse, whereas pretty much all men would kill to bang women in their early 20s, etc. But yeah idk, if true this would even further cement my belief that womenn are the shallowest gender, not only prioritising looks/youth b…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:37 PM
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Men settling is the default mode as they don't have it easy like women do. Women get to bang Chads which goes to their heads, and hten they later realise they have to settle for someone who isn't him.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:33 PM
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Either way, this law change which you think is based allows them to kill a perfectly healthy baby mere moments before it'd be born
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:32 PM
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Tall and conventionally attractive. You also want him to be rich and high status ofc.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:30 PM
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Yes you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:30 PM
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I'm glad you understand. Also 7, 12, 27, 34, 45. Powerball 2.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:28 PM
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and when my bouncer friend did his patrol in the section he saw the 2 beautiful women on their knees in the bathroom blowing him at the same time. Maybe in another life I'll be reincarnated as Chad... Idk how to accept it without resentment tbh. And yeah I wish I was gay or bi.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:25 PM
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False, as the research consistently shows. Also the patriarchy isn't real.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:20 PM
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Why do you believe this?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:18 PM
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Hmm interesting but did you consider this: it is tho
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:17 PM
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It's gross how women are obsessed with money and status but sadly that's just biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:16 PM
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but even so, plenty of average looking men are having casual sex. Are they? Check out the reaction to a pretty good looking guy who wants casual but has the audacity to do it while being short.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:15 PM
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Both genders want romance and sex. There is a reason romance novels are written mostly for women. Yeah and they're all billionaire dark triad Chads (or monsters), that's who women actually desire. I also think you are speaking about men too generally here. You may have that craving/need that you think that can only be filled by a romantic partner, but not every man does. Well there's a reason 90%+ of the people here sad about not having a partner are men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:09 PM
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Most women don’t want, let alone need, to orgasm 50 plus times a day. And most men don’t want, let alone love to do that every day Huh? What's that got to do wiht anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:07 PM
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ahhh that makes sense. tfw no autistic gf
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:48 AM
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What bad ideas? I'm not even short but I still have empathy for short guys and all the brutal things that women say about them, how they treat them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:39 AM
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lol what!!! Women are insane and many would filter him out just for not being 6 ft for example. You didn't answer my questions 😭
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:37 AM
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You can argue we also evolved to crave partners specifically, romance, and of course sex. You'll notice that men do crave it and feel a void, and they're the ones who you see depressed about it here. There's a fundamental difference between men and women. I don't think it's unhealthy though, I think it's good and romantic, imagine romantic novels being written where getting a partner was just a little bonus or something and not a deep need and as the famous term goes, 'their other half'.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:35 AM
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And yet, clearly, most women aren't like you, hence why he had only one other partner. Does this not show the nature of most women? Is this not a case study of how 'its ur personality bro!!' is bullshit? Brutal stuff! How did you meet him btw? When did you first find him especially attractive? How did he get past your initial filters (which for most women are brutal)?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:29 AM
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There was no longing, no hole he filled (...), you were fine as you were. And you'd probably be fine if he weren't around again. Men have a deep longing for women and crave them. I don't have much of a point I guess, just that it's a shame women are like this and men like women so much more than women like men, deeply unromantic.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:18 AM
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Right, and women find 80% of men unattractive. So how is it possible that most relationships have women finding the man attractive? Doesn't make much sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:15 AM
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We need to study your brain and try to replicate this in other women with cloning or something. Absurdly anomalous.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:13 AM
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if I were still attracted to guys in their 20's. It just gives me the ick big time. Because men aren't like this, unfortunately. We can be 20 or 99 years old, we will always much prefer women in their early 20s. Women are different and tend to prefer men around their age or slightly older (I'm sure some women will reply saying they like younger guys, ok, I'm just saying what the research says about averages). So that's why it's a foreign concept - because it is, to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:10 AM
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Objectively, men of all ages find women in their early 20s to be the most attractive. This is consistently found in the research. If you are a 10/10 Chad and/or rich, you are able to attract such women despite being older than them (research also shows women prefer men who are around their age or slightly older, but again a 10/10 Chad could overcome this). So your story of women in their peak not getting hotter men than the ones past it doesn't really make much sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:08 AM
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'Hey, husband, I love you and value you so much that I was actually fine if I never found you. It would not have been a big deal at all.' Sounds great.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:05 AM
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Your ability to acquire Chads will go down in time. Chads can easily bang hotter, younger women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:03 AM
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The days are done when men restricted our economic freedom so that we'd have to put up with them. Yes, it's a shame. Nonetheless, your ability to attract Chads is not infinite and you will have to either settle or opt out entirely one day.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:02 AM
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You personally if you were interested in an LTR the whole time may not be as affected, but the idea is that if you are more casual and aren't in a hurry to have a family you might weigh looks more, and then if you're closer to a drop in fertility or whatever and in a rush to find a proper partner, you might weigh them less. Also, women of all kinds can easily acquire sex with 10/10 Chads no matter how ugly they personally are, but for long-term relationships it's hard to lock down such Chads.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:00 AM
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What brought you to PPD? How long have you been here? I usually go on cycles where I don't come on here for months and then I have a burst of activity for a week or two. It gets tiresome after awhile, idk how people can stand coming back regularly.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:55 AM
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Medicine. It's what I would've done, in a better world.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:54 AM
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Love a nice cold glass of milk. Gotta be as fatty as possible, whole milk or even 'gold top' as we call it here. Yummers.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:52 AM
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The fact that a goodlooking man with a trash vibe will be severely limited in his dating prowess vs the same man with great social skills and vibe proves I'm right. Unfortunately, however... this isn't true I suppose you could say they have the right vibe in terms of confidence etc. but women claim that personality, morals, kindness, respecting women matters a lot. It's simply looks, money, and status.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:47 AM
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If men don’t have these options they should just be grateful for the options they do have because beggars can’t be choosers. 'If homeless people don't have options they should be happy with being given a cardboard box' Seriously how are you so desperate for dates or sex or whatever else and then coming in with all these demands? 'Why are homeless people so greedy wanting to eat meals every single day?' And then these same men will claim that women’s standards are “delusional” because they want a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:44 AM
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If she isn’t ok with how a man treats her she leaves Famously, no woman has ever stayed with a man who doesn't treat her as well as she'd like.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:41 AM
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Pretty minor things tbh, women have far higher expectations of men who have to earn more than them, be higher status, be the one to pursue them and take them out and pay for them on dates, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 11:35 PM
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Yes you do. You all want men taller than you, ideally 6ft+, richer than you, higher status than you. And so on. All the greatest hits.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 10:29 PM
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Uhuh, irl women don't even like it if a man looks at another woman a certain way, the idea they're totally ok with being treated worse than a former partner makes no sense
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 10:28 PM
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I'll figure out how to get you back, brb need to upgrade my membership at Hustler's university to learn how
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 10:15 PM
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This is only true to the extent that women are so hyper-picky that any minor flaw for them can make you worthless to them. You all still have the same general requirements, then you add on your own personal things on top of that
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 10:11 PM
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I shouldn't have told you, you're already lining up Chad to replace me, it's over...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 10:10 PM
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I took her to Paris... sorry...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 10:00 PM
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Okay, I'll bring blanket and basket with food to put on grass, we have picnic, very romantic yes?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 09:57 PM
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Women being more selective than men is never a point of disagreement. You'd think so but I regularly have women claiming otherwise on here. Women however often select different men than each other. fake news, there's minor variation (i prefer blond hair vs brown hair etc) but their tastes are very narrow overall. 'I prefer fat bald short dudes,' said no woman in history. Same with men and conventionally attractive women. Men have more diverse tastes and some prefer fat women, unusually tall wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 09:53 PM
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True, that is factored into what I said in that post: I often forget how skewed the female perspective is where they think men have the same privilege as them, with infinite options and ability to pick adn choose precisely they want like that. But hypothetically let's say she manages to get what she wants (a rich Chad) but finds out he is putting less effort into her than a previous partner because she's not as hot. She won't be happy. I know this is theoretical since women rarely know what it's…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 09:51 PM
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You are a victim and I’m trying my damnedest. It's like in your romance novels! I'm a dark triad werewolf, misunderstood... I just need to be tamed, you see... The number of likes is not an indicator of valid options to choose from Now we're talking! You get lots of matches but you only want rich Chads, so you see most of them as worthless.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 09:48 PM
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We aren’t talking about the section of women who are gold diggers. We are talking about normal everyday women. It's normal for women in general to care about looks + money + status above all else. They're not as into dudes as men are into women for their personality or their body. Men would date poor women, women wouldn't for men. There is one possible exception to all this - Chad. Even then it won't quite be the same tho
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 09:43 PM
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Yeah... I'm just a victim, it's not my fault... maybe you can fix me? 😳 But in real life women don’t have infinite options. Have you ever been on a dating app? How many matches did you get the first day, a thousand?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 09:40 PM
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I often forget how skewed the female perspective is where they think men have the same privilege as them, with infinite options and ability to pick adn choose precisely they want like that. Even if you were ok with a coffee date if you found out your partner put way more effort into a previous gf you would not be happy about it, simple as
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 09:29 PM
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That's an urban legend
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 09:27 PM
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Help me understand how your mind works. 80% of men are unattractive to women. This shows that most women are dating men they're attracted to? Unless you subscribe to the idea that there are Chad harems, this doesn't make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 09:26 PM
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Very honest post. 'I expect men to act like my servants and worship me whilst I do nothing for them, I deserve this because I'm a woman, and NO i shouldn't have to even tell you what I want, you should just know, slave' This is indeed how women think.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 09:23 PM
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Why should I be happy? Women are still hypergamous, the standards are just higher now.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 09:21 PM
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Meanwhile a woman not dating a man doesn't break the social contract. Hopefully one day we come to our senses.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 09:20 PM
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idk they seem based to me, never got on my back despite the spicy things I post
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 09:17 PM
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This thread is at least partially inspired by me. You have misinterpreted my comments. I've never said that men ONLY care about women's bodies. Nor did I say men don't care about how women make them feel. What I said was that women do not desire men like we desire them, they are far more transactional and focused on what a man owns, his money and status. And far less focused on the man himself, including his body. They say that because women think about how a man touches us, how he makes us feel…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 09:11 PM
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Far more pressure is on the man at all times. You do need to have sex to have love for most men, it's very important. Hearing how you were more available during your hotter years with someone else is not going to be much comfort. You absolutely would feel bad if you found your bf put more effort into his past relationships, reciting them poetry, giving them roses, taking them out for nicer dates, etc. and he just took you out to coffee.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 09:07 PM
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good 4 u but not how it works for everyone, women see 80% of men as unattractive, do the maths
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 09:03 PM
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There was never another option.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 08:48 PM
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It is true that women, despite their desires, do not often get to marry billionaires when they work as waitresses. They nonetheless manage to marry richer men usually, because together with looks and status it is what they prioritise, with things like personality being irrelevant in comparison. This is why hypergamy is seen throughout the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 08:42 PM
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Yep
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 08:36 PM
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Nah, constantly see bitter women on here salivating about a future where men don't exist because of how evil and useless htey supposedly are etc. or how women are all going their own way and opting out because men suck. Not happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 08:36 PM
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The evidence suggests otherwise. I'll concede that they might be able to desire Chad, but even then...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 08:35 PM
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There's nothing more important or satisfying to a woman than killing her baby
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 08:33 PM
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Men who struggle in dating think the opposite and that being valued for one's personality or achievements is nothing Your first paragraph was true. But I reject this framing. It's not 'a man's personality and achievements', it's specifically wanting his money and status, which is not him like his body is, it's merely wanting what he possesses as it's useful to her or makes her feel special. Primal attraction for men also involves vibe and persona tbh but that's another convo. doubt
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 08:31 PM
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Also multiple men in these comments literally say they desire women desiring them AND that is a huge part of what they like about having sex with women. So even that part isn’t unique to women at all. I didn't say it was unique. Indeed, I'd loved to be desired, that's why it's so bleak that women aren't as capable of this (or perhaps, being generous, they're only capable of it for Chad and billionaires). enlightening insight into how women view men
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 08:28 PM
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They love it. They love feeling the man has an overwhelming desire for them. It makes them feel wanted and sexy, just as long as it's the right man (Chad). Being wanted for your possessions is not good or flattering in any way.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 08:26 PM
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Here's what you're missing. Those guys who did well with women? It was because of their personality and respect for women. The women could sense that on them, and could sense your misogyny and desperation on you. Just kidding. But this is the sort of gaslighting we're subjected to on this subreddit and elsewhere. Sometimes from guys like that, who are like 'idk what to tell you man I've always just acted like myself and never had an issue, it must be your personality bro'. There's an argument to…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 08:25 PM
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So are you then saying men DO care about what's on the inside? Who are you agreeing with here. They do. But they also care about your body, and that is wayyy better than being valued for your money. Also, nice duck and dodge. Didn't have a response to the other thread so you followed me to another comment to drop off some irrelevant nonsense. Typical. 🤣 Yeah I'm just really intimidated by strong intelligent women you see... 🥺👉👈
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 08:14 PM
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The statistics are not in your favor here I wish that were the case but they are. As I said, even in the most egalitarian countries like Norway hypergamy is persistent. I don't really understand why you're trying to deny this when you were literally just proving my point and saying how important it was to marry richer dudes... Because more often than not, that is going to be the only dynamic where a man makes exponentially more than the woman does. Exponentially perhaps but it's still very commo…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 08:12 PM
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Women out here thinking their brain isn't a part of their body
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 11:45 AM
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So do women plus they have a child on top of it. Not really since as I've established women are hypergamous and demand men who are notably richer than them. So do women plus they have a child on top of it. Realistically, if a man doesn't want to lose "half HIS wealth" he probably shouldn't marry a woman half his age. Bruh where did you even get the half his age thing from, that very rarely happens. The vast majority of couples I personally know started from nothing and built together. My husband…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 11:37 AM
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A baby by definition can absorb nutrients by himself. He's a fully formed human with rights. Don't care about semantics, it's conscious and alive and can feel pain and killing it is monstrous. If you think that the 1 second between being in th womb and out of it makes it okay to end this life you're being insane and I'd love for you to have to witness killing that fully-formed baby which you think is fine to do. That's not body autonomy, because it's another human who is not interfering on your …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 11:31 AM
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You'll understand one day when you grow up. Because this is geniunely a wild statement and very clearly coming from a young man who doesn't know shit about fuck lol. I wish I was as young as you probably think I am. So what? Women often have to take time off work. In the US, women don't get maternity leave. Of course they have to make sure the dude she's with can support that. If the dude leaves now she's double fucked. Is that one of those things where they 'don't get it' but realistically ant …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 11:26 AM
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Not for marriage. We already went over this. You asserted it was true. That doesn't make it so. Last I checked men don't get pregnant and left with infants, so.. You don't think men can get pregnant? Cancelled. But in all seriousness, so what? That doesn't require you to demand a man much richer than you. It's just an excuse for that superficiality and let's be real women who don't even want kids will expect it too.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 11:14 AM
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big if true
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 11:11 AM
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Nope, you chose to bring it that far and shouldn't be allowed to kill a baby. Your actions have consequences. Also by your logic they should be able to neglect their baby and not bother feeding it too, because that involves using your bodily autonomy to feed them. 'Give it up for adoption' No! That requires use of my body, I have full autonomy and should never have to do anything I don't want to do!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 11:10 AM
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Absolutely disagree. He's chubby and has a goofy looking face. She is fit and gorgeous. Women just prefer women to men frankly. You familiar with that guy who posts a bunch of threads saying women aren't into men and talks about lesbian porn? Yeah Yes, women absolutely have more standards than men when it comes to a relationship outside of looks. They have higher standards for looks also. As I said women make hyper-specific demands of a man and consider 80% of men unattractive. Men don't have to…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 11:08 AM
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39 weeks, in the womb and a minute before being delivered: murder it, this is cool 39 weeks and 0.000001 seconds after it exits the womb: this is a baby! Killing it is monstrous!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 11:03 AM
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looksmatched anyway I'm not acting like they're incels, they still don't make a bunch of demands and have lower standards than women. Most women here admit that gloat about it. Why do youi think it's men who have to jester around pursuing women and taking them out and trying to please them? Women have the power and standards, men jsut take what they can get. Are they saying it's only looks? Blatantly untrue, men obv wan a nice caring wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 11:00 AM
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They do tho, men don't get to make demands. What demands are you seeing? I don't know what you mean by the first sentence. Men's looks standards: don't be fat (if he isn't into BBWs) Women's looks standards: be 6ft+, have good hair, be relatively muscular, have a magnum dong, etc., etc. Men's financial standards: None Men's status standards: None Women's financial standards: Make significantly more than I do Women's status standards: Be significantly higher status than I am
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 10:52 AM
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Can't you take a break from posting coal bro, it's always like this. They are allowed to murder babies that are moments away from being born. It's not right.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 10:49 AM
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I don't admit that. We care about them the same as women do, except our standards are far lower (basically... I was about to type 'don't be fat' but then I realised lots of men actually like 'BBWs' so not even that is true tbh). Women make all sorts of demands and want richer and higher status men too. The only way an ugly dude is getting a 'drop dead gorgeous' woman is if he's rich af.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 10:44 AM
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If it was in America yeah but this is the UK a hellscape I'm forced to live in..
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 10:37 AM
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It's just acceptable to do that for dudes but if it was Kate they were mocking for her appearance there'd be a bunch of people in the thread crying misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 10:35 AM
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I agree, it is normal. In a 90s sitcom. But not in the real world. You just have a massive bias towards women, is all.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 10:34 AM
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What? ... Prince William... you mentioned him a couple hours ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 10:33 AM
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It clearly is though. Women care about looks (which they have far higher standards for) AND money AND status. But in actual reality, in the vast majority of couples, the woman is levels more attractive than the man. Only the very top men end up with a similarly attractive women. It's rare. Even rarer is a man more attractive than the woman. I have never once seen that. This just highlights female narcissism where they think they're more attractive than men which ironically just proves my point. …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 09:59 AM
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In fact, it's not at all what it's like being a woman. As I quite clearly pointed out. Men have always been far more harshly judged, and women are far more shallow and exacting in their demands. I'd love to have female privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 09:57 AM
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Famously, there was a guy who did so, got harrassed and ended up committing suicide. Feminists really don't like it when you try to help men. Interesting you bring up William though, I've seen a bunch of threads today mocking him for his baldness/appearance. Please remember it's women who are apparently judged for their appearance tho
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 09:56 AM
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Um actually it's all about personality and has nothing to do with looks
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 09:52 AM
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Men will never stop pursuing women. Women will never stop wanting relationships with men. Men are not opting out, women are not opting out. It's all slop and a larp and revenge fantasies from both sides.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 09:52 AM
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Blatantly untrue. Your body is you. Your body just typed that message to me. Your body just read this message. It is you. My money isn't me in any way.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 09:35 AM
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She wouldn't be anymore bro, that's the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 09:24 AM
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tru dat
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 08:34 AM
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This is the other meme I see constantly with this. People do one of three things: they either 1) claim the woman must be mentally ill so we should just make it legal to kill babies or 2) bizarrely focus on semantics of what 'abortion' means or 3) say it rarely happens so we should make it legal to kill babies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-induced_abortion If you want me to call it a 'self-induced abortion' to soothe your pedantry, that's fine. We can call it a 'giraffe dance' if you want to…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 08:00 AM
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she let it die/killed it. Oh! I didn't realise. It's actually fine, my bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 07:24 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 07:18 AM
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Yeah but I'm so in tune with my feminine side that I understand fully, you see. Ladies, one at a time please, form an orderly queue.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 07:16 AM
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Please provide a case of a doctor willingly performing such a thing. Just one case. I can't, because it's not legal for them to do it. And I never said it was. and clearly is mentally unwell. It's curious how I always see this said even when there's no evidence for it. There's this idea that women can't do bad things, so if they do it they must be mentally unwell. She had to give birth anyway. She wasn’t getting out of the pain of labor. She could have waited a week. She clearly just wanted to k…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 07:02 AM
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Folks, he's still not answering the question, can you believe this guy? We all know, of course, that he cries over misogyny and other 'problematic' stuff said by people like Drumpf, whilst suddenly turning into a tough guy when it's anti-male hatred, but don't blame him too much, it aint easy to overcome the anti-male bias you're exposed to from birth.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 06:57 AM
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The comment you’re replying to is BS hateful misandrist crap. You don’t need to diminish the contributions of women. Sorry, miss... didn't mean to disappoint you... 😳
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 06:54 AM
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There was a woman who had an affair, got pregnant, didn't tell her husband about it, and decided to kill her baby at 39 weeks - 1 week before its due date. She was punished, but wouldn't be now that the law has been changed. I don't think 'people PROBABLY won't do it' is a good reason to have something be legal, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:57 AM
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Women who are envious of other women and women who get it in their head that all they have to offer men is their body don’t like being desired for their body. But normal women and men like being desired for their body, but additionally their company and companionship. Okay, I can agree with that. The rest, I'm not so sure. Where's that guy who posts all the threads about lesbian porn when you need him? (Most) women are not into men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:43 AM
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After 10 years of studying fields that were almost entirely created and developed by men, naturally, like almost everything of worth in the entirety of human history. Whilst benefting from a society that would collapse instantly without men who do the vast majority of the most critically necessary jobs. You know this really, though. Women who make bratty comments like this are usually just baiting men to come and engage with them, like a kid poking or pulling the hair of their crush. It's okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:37 AM
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It is now legal in my godforsaken country to do this up until the moment of birth. Women can no longer be prosecuted for self-induced abortions under any circumstances. Doesn't matter if it's a fully healthy, normal baby completely capable of living outside the womb.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:33 AM
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I am a body. Being desired as a sex object is way closer to being liked for who I am yaaas king, go off. I've made this point so many times but women here really pretend not to understand this. They honestly somehow think that being wanted for money and status is no worse than being wanted for your body.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:30 AM
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Nah. For who they are as people. And, yes, their body. I know women like to pretend this is a bad thing, even though women actually love being desired for their body and do everything they can to maintain a youthful attractive body, but it's actually awesome to be desired for your body. Men would KILL to be desired for their body, you see (some men who don't understand female psychology mistakenly believe they are). It's very obviously better to be desired for your body than your money. Imagine …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:28 AM
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Jannies do not delet plz, this isn't a contentless reply you must understand, here's the content (please janny also note that this content has so much content that the person I'm responding to even has the word content in his username): content_concert_2555, I do declare that I disagree with your above statement and suspect it is not a true reflection of the reality we live in.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:18 AM
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But doctor, I am pagliacci (would you believe me if I said I was pursuing a career in psychology?)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:39 AM
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I really need to take a break from this place soon I must've had this discussion literally like 30 times over the past week or two, maybe even with you tbh, hard to keep track. But ok. Men inherently desire women. Women desire men for what they can do and how they can make them feel. They care more about superficial things like money and status, in addition to also caring about looks whilst having far higher looks requirements as well. In sex, the man is hyper-fixated on the woman and is overcom…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 02:45 AM
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And women have been doing it just as long, and far more harshly. It just wasn't really brought into the light until incels started being a known thing. We all know women have far higher standards than men, and aren't shy about shaming men for not living up to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 02:39 AM
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lmao, meanwhile back in reality women have dramatically higher standards than men for looks. you don't see men saying 'MUST be shorter than 5 ft tall or don't bother swiping right!' They are influenced by media yes, into thinking women desire men for more than just what they can provide for them as tools. Romantic films like Titanic could only be written by men, irl women would choose Cal.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 02:20 AM
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Do you, or do you not, care when people say misogynistic things?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 12:05 AM
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The only famous Irish actress I can think of is Saoirse Ronan and, eh, never done it for me really. Meanwhile half of Hollywood is British at this point, I've never understood the 'British = ugly meme' and I also think that the hate for British cuisine is ignorant.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 12:00 AM
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'you' You are referring to the actions of some men and applying them to me and saying I deserve to be hated because, through no fault of my own, men who happen to share my gender may have done bad things.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 11:13 PM
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I will either wait or cross the street to get past. Would you say this is wrong? No, but... grew up as the only minority in a small white town). You don't support racial profiling, I imagine. Even if certain groups are statistically more likely to commit crimes. You'd be insulted if you were treated differently because of something out of your control, right? Anyway, regardless of your answer, you seem like a reasonable person who isn't full of hate, so that's good.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 11:11 PM
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If they're both common and socially acceptable why are you suprised by it? When did I say I was surprised by it? Misogyny is far less acceptable in any case. If I were to be rped in the woods I'd bet that the attacker would be a man. If it's between rpe and dieing in a predictable way I know what I'd prefer. Would you rather a 90% chance of being ripped to shreds and eaten alive or a 0.01% of being sexually assaulted?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 10:51 PM
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People who post things like this
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 10:50 PM
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Let me guess, you suddenly care when equivalent misogynistic things are said?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 10:47 PM
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I have problems with Sabrina in general but sexual violence against women is also in popular songs so I think it's pretty equal. Is it? I don't see male pop stars openly saying 'women are stupid' or whatever. I imagine you're talking about hip hop or something, idk. But either way, I didn't make any comment on how common misogyny was, just that misandry is common and socially acceptable. I really don't think a woman in the woods would kill me then sexually violate me but men are known to do that…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 10:38 PM
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Would you agree that both genders need to stop spreading hateful or hurtful rhetoric? Sure. Would you also agree that women do need to often be more cautious in situations because they are (on average) much weaker than men and are more likely to experience sexual assault? Yeah, but I have never nor will ever harm a woman so it's annoying to constantly have the crimes of a minority of men used to justify saying cruel things about me. Women often see 'men' as a category, like one block of people, …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 10:34 PM
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I'm sorry to hear about your internalised misandry. Hope you recover soon.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 10:29 PM
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Even being desired for my body would be a huge upgrade over being valued for money imo
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 10:28 PM
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Yep, this is the standard way leftists/feminists attempt to justify their hate. In reality, of course, women are far more privileged than men in almost every way.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 10:26 PM
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No, I have foreseen it all.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 09:33 PM
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Superficial means lacking in depth, liking someone for shallow reasons rather than based on deeper qualities like their character, intelligence or values Correct. Men being attracted sexually to more women than vice versa does not make them less shallow than women in fact that could very well be the definition of superficial. They like women because of lust not for any deeper meaning or reason. So no men are not less shallow than women because they are sexually attracted to more women. If you do…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 09:20 PM
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No one is saying being a good person in and of itself will result in sex. What they are saying is that your personality absolutely does factor into attraction. And they're quite evidently wrong. This idea that "being nice = sex" is a fiction of men and not something they've actually been told. There's a reason why the "sex vending machine" analogy resonates so strongly. They claim that personality is the most important thing. We have milennia of natural experiments that disprove this. Chad, bad …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 09:10 PM
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——-> No one thinks that but you It's literally said constantly. You'd have to be blind to miss it. Dunno what to tell you. ——-> We have all sorts of shit to worry about, including self-improvement. You know women buy most self-help books? I'm talking about dating. Women are never expected to work hard in that area or jester for men. ——-> You’re jaded, fam - and at this point, you’re just ranting because the women you like, don’t like you 🥱 No woman likes me. And there's nothing I can do about th…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 09:05 PM
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It's incredibly common to see anti-male rhetoric like that. It's so common that it's in the most popular pop songs, with e.g. Sabrina Carpenter saying, "call men stupid in as many ways as you can" as part of her advice for creating hit music It's just popular and mainstream and normal to hate men. It is also reflected in things like the bear vs man thing. Yes, yes, I've heard it all before 'the bear is more certain', whatever. Or how about the 'bowl of poisoned M&Ms' meme? These things would nev…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 09:01 PM
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And we're famously more brutal and wanting harsher punishments.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 08:47 PM
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I'm not really sure what your question is? But yes. Perhaps the most frustrating thing I constantly see from bluepillers/women on PPD is this idea that men are basically worker ants who should serve the queen and if they aren't doing well, it's their fault for not working hard enough, while they sit back and relax and never have to worry about self-improvement. There's this default mentality of women deserving the world just for being women, and men are sort of... defective tools that always nee…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 08:42 PM
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I was severely bullied until high-school by both peers and authority figures. I know what that world is like and I can spot a bully when I see one. It's even worse that you can't display empathy for other people if you claim you were bullied. But you must've deserved it and were probably treated the way you were because of being a bad person. You are what's called a "cry-bully" Incredibly impressive levels of projection. You are literally describing yourself with all your posts. You find people …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 07:01 PM
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I am not. Prepare for a truth nuke Huh, so even the youngest, most liberal demographic expectst this? But surely... what about the most progressive people within that already-progressive demographic? Surprisingly, views on gender norms didn’t make much of a difference: On average, both men and women in the sample expected the man to pay, whether they had more traditional views of gender roles or more progressive ones. Oh. I applaud you for being a rare woman who wants to not only split but even …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 06:23 PM
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If a man chooses not to, he will likely doom himself, because most women are entitled and believe a man should do it simply because he is a man. Most women are like this, as I've said, they only ever want to eliminate gender roles for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 06:02 PM
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I'm not at peace with it, I just acknowledge it is truthful. You're doing a bad job of psychoanalysing me. I actually WISH women desired men, I just don't think they do. It all comes back to a fixation on themselves, hence why lesbian porn is the most popular category of porn for women for example. Hence why women focus far more on things like wealth and status. Looks matter but mainly just because women get an ego boost and feel special if the man in question is attractive, they're still not fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 06:00 PM
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Huh? I'm a man. So I have to take women out on dates and pay for them. And you have to the majority of the housework. It's just how it works.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 05:57 PM
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It must be nice having a childishly simplistic view of the world where everything is black and white and you can just pretend the people you disagree with are evil and that they're lying about things like being bullied. And are somehow blind to the harsh realities of the world where bad people often do very well in life and have lots of friends and girlfriends. It's almost like you're actually a terrible person, a bully yourself, and trying to justify your behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 05:55 PM
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Fantasy books are not indicative of real world desires They obviously are and are an insight into what people actually want. I will ask you the same question I ask others who make this obviously untrue statement: you find out a male friend of yours enjoys paedophillic erotic literature... do you trust him around your kids alone? Do you think differently of him? The answer is obvious. It's not 'just fantasy'. If that was true then men watching porn would be much more aggressive and violent than t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 04:35 PM
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No, this is a strawman. What men here say, which is entirely true, is that personality is largely irrelevant (though women have a preference for assholes). It's looks, money and status. Bluepillers like to pretend that personality is always the problem, and sensible people respond by pointing out how evil hot men have no problems whatsoever with women, and you confuse this to mean something else.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 04:31 PM
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A lot of the incels claim they got "bullied" in school but it was really just people enforcing boundaries and putting them in their place. Some of these guys are too autistic to know the difference. Assholes are very seldomly popular. lmao saving this one, this perfectly encapsulates the assumptions women make here. Peak victim blaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 04:28 PM
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The other day I went on /r/romancebooks out of curiosity. I saw a thread, they were asking for a book about a man desperate to eat out the female main character. Fairly innocuous, I suppose. As I went through the suggestions, which should have no bearing on what kind of man the guy is, it could be anyone, I couldn't help but laugh. The only way to get my inheritance? Marry Alexei Volkov—the grumpiest enforcer in the NHL, a brutally handsome jerk, and the last man I’d ever fall for. [...] For a g…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 04:26 PM
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Yeah but I'm a man so that's just how it is. I don't make the rules. Tough luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 04:20 PM
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They are as superficial if not more so than women they just have a lower threshold to qualify This makes them less superficial. They find the majority of women attractive and don't have absurd looks requirements. in many cases higher standards actually = less superficial lol what moon logic is this? Also women go further than this. Because in addition to looks they add on top MORE superficial things that men don't care about, like money and status.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 03:43 PM
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The next election, the democrats will sweep, double down and go full woke DEI, I bet. What we see in history is basically the left constantly winning and conservatives just constantly adjust to it... a conservative now is like a liberal 30 years ago or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 02:22 PM
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Yeah well I never advocated for socialism. Also the anti-socialist crowd has barely done anything to overcome our current woke, DEI, quasi-socialist policies, so...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 02:12 PM
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Yeah, but that's just how it is I'm afraid, since they're women and that's their role. It's my role as a man to pursue her and make more than her.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 02:10 PM
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You're practically begging me to mention the 80% of men being considered ugly by women stat by saying this.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 02:32 AM
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Me seeing a thread on askreddit about what women supposedly don't care about in men, seeing all the bluepill posts in the thread, and knowing if I post like I do on PPD I'll probably be banned <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 01:35 AM
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Your bluepill outlook about men just needing to work on their personality or whatever, when you're 6'5 and such. Of course it works out for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 01:21 AM
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The world was a much better place then. I very much miss it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 01:19 AM
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Suddenly a lot of your comments make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 01:18 AM
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Idk what you'd require to see the truth. I'm entirely serious. Of course Tinder is real life, this is real people who go on it, dating apps are popular. You think all those women who match with guys like that aren't real people? I've also seen this happen to women I've known. I can point to other examples of criminals like Jeremy Meeks doing well with women beacause of his looks if you want. Is that not real life? Normies don't want to admit how brutal life can be for some people. It's like sayi…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 12:49 AM
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"However, it is unclear whether men generally earn more within couples because they had a higher earnings‐potential than their partners in the matching stage (hypergamy) or because of decisions made within the house‐ hold.1 As individuals’ earnings may both affect and be affected by partnering, there is a fundamental simultaneity problem involved in empirically identifying hypergamy as well as itseconomic consequences. Moreover, as data from virtually all countries indicate that women have lower…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 12:39 AM
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It's 2030. The new standard is 7 ft and a 7-figure income. Men not living up to this are entirely to blame for their misfortune, women continue to be princesses who deserve the best no matter what.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 12:34 AM
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Man these are just isolated cases with some screenshots from random tinder messages. The fact that you think this is representative of anything more than that is worrying. How on earth does what some random people on tinder show that personality does not matter. No one’s denying its full of bots and weirdos. It's just how it is lol. Normal dudes struggle to get any matches on tinder and people will blame their personality. If you're a Chad you can be a Nazi and get hundreds easily. Why do you re…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 12:12 AM
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'Wow they proved what you were saying is true, how sad and pathetic. I'm also going to insult your income to prove your point' Ok...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 12:10 AM
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So when the government allocates an incel a 450 pound women with yellow teeth, bad breath, and a vagina that hasn't been cleaned properly since Obama was still president, the incel has to be with her no matter how rancid he finds her. I'd take it over the alternative tbh. I can fix her. Tell me, why should I care about freedom? Why should those in power care about not oppressing you for their own benefit? Because it's not fair, right? Well, you've just gone on a rant about how fairness is naive …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 12:07 AM
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Of course normies don't say those things, they don't struggle in the same way. Personality does NOT matter. You can be a Nazi or a rapist misogynist and do well if you're a Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 11:55 PM
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It does, even in the most gender equal countries ine the world. Women want richer, higher status men. It's not 'just so happens', this is who they seek out as it's important to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 11:50 PM
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Literally such a small amount of woman ask of such a demand, even getting a guy like that is near impossible, not to mention that kind of women is very delusional, most women who live in reality think completely opposite. The majority of relationships involve a richer man. Hypergamy. Also women prefer splitting the chores. The chores yeah, not the dates tho
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 11:42 PM
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I promise you it is due to your personality, You e spent too much time in the internet. You get lonely and instead of self reflection you turn it into a victim complex and blame others for not liking you. You literally do not know me or my situation. The fact you just assume it's my personality proves my point. I know you're going to say 'you come across negatively in your posts' but that is confusing the order - I became this way after I got depressed over the reality I was in. Plus, Chad conti…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 11:40 PM
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Sir yes it is, in india one of their world leaders literally responded to the rape issues "Just lay down and enjoy". Welcome to life. Seems to have just been some random lawmaker who was making a joke, not a world leader. What shallow demands? You mean women demanding yall to do basic human chores and responsibility? My the atrocity... No, they expect men to fulfil their gender roles. To pursue them, take the lead, pay for them, and so on. They also expect men to be richer and higher status than…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 11:18 PM
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Pretty much. I'm talking about hypergamy and their gender role expectations of men which serve to enforce the capitalist patriarchy they often whine about. Then they don't like the results, the 'toxic masculinity', etc., that is encouraged by their actions. They don't like to see the men who don't manage to live up to their demands, who aren't able to become richer and higher status than them or be Chad, complaining about it, and try to gaslight them that it's due to their personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 11:14 PM
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I don't think that's an accurate summary of the male views here.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 11:10 PM
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it's interesting you say that because growing up, being a teenager, then a young woman i had guy friends, and some male friends of friends, who would absolutely tear into women for their looks. not just girls we knew, but, like picking apart the most beautiful women in the world, actresses/models ie = she's got no ass, she's got no tits, her face is weird, her nose is too big, etc etc (yes i learned not to be friends with dudes like that) I think it's just a larp essentially and they'd all despe…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 11:07 PM
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but women also need to put in serious work. No they don't. Women aren't shamed for being 'technicians' or whatever like you just did to those men. They just get easy access to relationships and are valued for who they are. The problem is that the women who have put in the work are the ones that the men who haven’t put in the work expect to have sex with them and take on all of the risks with no strings attached. Men who still need work almost never as women who still need work for instant sex. L…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 11:03 PM
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What makes incels think that government interventions in sex and relationships would have any more efficacy than the "war on drugs" "war on poverty" or "class war" which has done nothing. State mandated gfs would be pretty neat. In Japan they even pay for disabled guys or w/e to bang prosties! The ONLY solution is personal accountability, and that means incels looking in the mirror, saying "What I did has failed, I don't know shit" Ok but in some cases it's out of our control no matter what. I j…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 11:01 PM
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I can't tell if you're holding back redpilled views on this matter or not and that's why you're concerned about the rules. Your initial comment suggested otherwise, but...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 10:55 PM
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global rape culture, Not real. There's your fix. pretty much the insanity of the manosphere that needs a cure desperately. Only solution is women treating men like humans and not tools and jesters that need to live up to their shallow demands. Not gonna happen tho
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 10:49 PM
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This is a big reason why women will tell a man that it’s mainly his personality that’s making dating hard for him. If your only options are terrible women, shallow women, or women who make you feel like a jester, that does not prove women are terrible. It might mean other women already opted out his dating pool. Another day, another victim blaming post. If you're mistreated as a man, it must be your fault always. At least you admit that women prioritise looks and money though. Let's say I'm righ…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 10:47 PM
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I honestly can't tell if you posted that as a counter-argument to her or not and to agree with men. It is exactly in line with what black pillers say about women caring about looks, money and status. Umm… those norms include ruining my body by having his kids, having my vagina ripped apart during labors, taking the most risks for contracting STIs… nope… norms are not in my favor 🤷🏼‍♀️ Those having nothing to do with norms. Men don't live as long as women. It's just biology. Meanwhile what we're …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 10:41 PM
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Women are not judged harshly like this. They don't have 'nothing to offer' if they're not richer than the man, as far as he sees it. And as for looks, men have dramatically lower standards also. Only men face tehse sorts of pressures.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 10:39 PM
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In a sense, but men are far less picky and hypergamous than women and don't have the same sort of desire reserved for the top women. Men find most women attractive, women find 80% of men to be ugly/below average.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 10:30 PM
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Only socialists think we have to bend over backwards to help every charity case. A lot of people are poor due to choices they made. A lot of people especially zoomers have this socialist mindset tho, and particularly women also. And yet when it comes to men they turn into hyper-capitalist darwinians, which is as funny as it is hypocritical. We spend huge amounts on welfare and stuff and have DEI nonsense etc... just not for men. It's not "jestering" to manage to be enjoyable company around other…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 10:29 PM
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nooo, I'll bend the knee!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 10:25 PM
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To be blunt it’s not even annoyance it’s just finding you pathetic. Ok. A lot of women clearly express annoyance over it. Btw, you'd be equally as 'pathetic' in the position of such men, but can't understand it due to living on easy mode as a woman. But look if you find this effective to fill your void, best of luck with that. Thanks 🥰
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 10:20 PM
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Yeah
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 10:18 PM
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Are such rules even enforced? People openly flag themselves as black pill and talk about that and it seems accepted. Idk if they're outdated.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 10:17 PM
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The studies say that women will often have 'stated preferences' and claim to want things like kindness and intelligence, but then in the experiments the 'revealed preferences' show they prioritise looks/money/status. I'm not even sure it is dishonesty as such, you might just not be aware of what you're really doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 09:59 PM
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Caution is not bigotry unless there is hatred, dislike, or ill-will involved. Cool then you won't mind people being cautious purely due to stats of certain ethnicities, without any malice towards them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 09:56 PM
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It often is. Especially if a guy is spending time here. I disagree. The fact you think this is only evidence of what I'm talking about. And you can't do much to change your looks but you can change how you interact with people, so if someone is struggling it makes sense to work on the thing they have control over. Not really. A lot of the time there's not uch that can be done. Even if it was though, the framing isn't 'I'm sorry that you're so disadvantaged, but here's some advice to help you any…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 09:55 PM
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It's parroted on reddit for a reason. It's my observation of reality and what I've read from statistics/studies etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 09:53 PM
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Yeah it is has become pretty obvious that’s what you’re doing. And no one can stop you no matter how clearly ineffective it is. It is quite effective actually, on rare occasions I find a woman on here with empathy. The majority of times I still get satisfaction out of pointing out the evil nature of most of the other posters on here. So for the purposes of the OP which ultimately denies male entitlement, do you have an explanation as to why we should give a fuck? Why? Well, because you're turbo …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 09:51 PM
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'I have no counter-argument' I accept your concession. If you justify bigotry towards men solely because of stats, you have to do it to other groups if you want to be logically consistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 09:47 PM
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Every time a man posts about his struggles it's flooded with women saying it's his personality and he needs to work harder. Every time.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 09:46 PM
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It just doesn’t manifest the same way it does for men because of biology. Correct. You value things like money and status whilst men desire the woman. Because of biology. If a guy wants to be desired the way a man desires a woman, then he needs to pursue men, not women Also correct. Sadly, as much as I'd like to, I can't turn myself gay. So instead I'll just have to settle for venting on this subreddit. This sounds like a case of “my ego can’t handle being undesirable, so let me just convenientl…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 09:43 PM
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Oh no. Being expected to do something quite easy, that must be so hard. Getting out the world's smallest violin for you. Oh no you have to use a vacuum cleaner occasionally. So hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 09:41 PM
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I just don't agree with your assessment. It's quite clear that women prioritise looks, money, and status. When it comes to hookups, most women can easily get this and indeed do sleep with these Chads. When it comes to longer-term relationships, they are forced to settle for men who aren't what they really want.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 09:40 PM
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Being alone your entire life due to genetics is indeed an extremely bad thing and not trivial at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 09:36 PM
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Sexlessness is rising and it's not 'little difficulty' even if you do get it eventually, a lot of jestering is required, a lot of effort, as you describe in your post - effort that women never have to do. For your own mental health, let go. You don't control the world, and will never be able to dictate global responses to placate those feelings that compel you to demand that. You're setting yourself up for a lifetime of unhappiness and fixative complaining about what you think is "fair." It's a …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 09:35 PM
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Well Ive just come to form the impression that a lot of you are validation seeking/sympathy fishing from women online as it’s the closest thing to an “emotional” connection to women as you can currently obtain. This is part of it yes. “That’s sad for you” never seemed to be an adequate response yet a lot of men are quick to say they also don’t want advice from women. So you just need an audience for your grievances and you want it to be women. Imagine how frustrating it must be to suffer through…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 09:30 PM
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I don’t understand why these men seek empathy from women specifically It's extraordinarily rare for a woman to be honest like you just were, admitting there's a double standard for men. The women on this subreddit usually refuse to acknowledge such things and pretend that male problems are due to their poor personality or whatever, and don't acknowledge that they have it infinitely harder than women. So we try to argue the point and get this empathy or acknowledgement, because it's frustrating t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 09:26 PM
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It's entirely because blue pillers like you often pretend otherwise. It's very rare for you to honestly say 'yeah, men have it worse than women', you come up with excuses and always blame the man for his personality etc instead of admitting it might be out of his control. So we want you to just admit the truth rather than blaming us for once.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 09:24 PM
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As long as you are okay with using 'just data' to be more wary of black people, who factually commit far more murders per capita.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 09:20 PM
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We are different. And it's not that we expect women to be attracted to all men, but rather that the men women are attracted to is an insanely small number.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 09:17 PM
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It is accurate though. You don't see women like 'Sorry Chad but I'm specifically looking for a short fat bald dude'. It does not happen. There's some variation, but women's tastes are very narrow. They are usually quite open about their specific demands for income, height, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 09:15 PM
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I guess I'm not surprised, ofc you want the dark triad bad boy Targs over the nice guys like Dunk!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 09:11 PM
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Please do. Yes, it's nice to talk about things like that instead of the usual gender war topics.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 09:07 PM
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Yeah, so I just don't care about gender roles and do what I feel like doing. Wow what a coincidence that you just so happen to like the thing you've been conditioned to be expected to do from birth. That seems like a really antisocial and autistic way of looking at it Just brainwashing. You find it bad when women have gender expectations but not when men do. You should be the one to always pay for them because you're a man, because you were born a different gender. What separates you from the wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 09:05 PM
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It's not some awful things you need to be brainwashed to want. He enjoys it. I enjoy it. Well, I don't. And I'm expected to do it anyway. The vast majority of women expect it. What now? I'm sure some women also love being the one to do all the housework and childcare. Paying for and planning dates also isn't a big deal, if you don't like it don't do it, but he does like it. Cleaning up isn't that big of a deal. Just don't do it if you don't want to, why do women ever complain about it? It is a b…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 09:03 PM
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There's no reason to think it's substantially different irl. We both know women have far higher requirements than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 08:14 PM
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Most women want a man who's doing well for himself but that definition is based on her life experience. The difference between $50k and $55k is not the reason women wouldn't pursue a relationship with someone so don't worry about it. You keep trying to frame it as though women simply want a man who is doing well, when I'm telling you they specifically want a man who is richer than them. This is why we see hypergamy in every society on Earth. At the end of the day, if you can't make as much as so…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 08:13 PM
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And that 25% will be heavily concentrated in young, college aged women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 08:09 PM
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Do you really think men can't think for themselves? He prefers it and doesn't see it as grovelling. It's like 'internalised misogyny' or whatever but for men. Women in countries where there's female circumcision often defend it, too. Yeah I can predict your response to this - 'wtf you think paying for dates is as bad as that?' - no, I'm just using it as an example of how people can support things that are dehumanising to themselves. I know exactly the burden of it because I do it so quit the bul…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 08:04 PM
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Neither for relationships nor casual sex are they as superficial as women are.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 07:55 PM
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Because that's lame It's lame to have to fulfil your gender roles regardless of who you are! Paying for a date is jestering? Yeah, you're putting yourself in a servile position and her above you solely because she's a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 07:50 PM
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But nobody's making any demands here. He's just saying he likes to pay. I propose it's due to oppressive cultural expectations drilled into him since birth that he has a sort of stockholm syndrome. Most women expect it and you'll be at serious risk as a man if you refuse to grovel in such a way. And I'm pointing out the comparative really small effort on the man's side. After asking someone on a date, planning for it, and paying for it, they owe you lifetime domestic labour? Firstly, women reall…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 08:39 AM
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Without being a Chad or rich you'll struggle with normal women, you say. Brutal blackpill indeed.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 08:31 AM
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I really think the most obvious male-focused wish fulfillment fantasies are porn (in which very hot women meet their every sexual desire) and certain types of power-up fantasies (less so the type where they encounter setbacks and slow, more normalized growth and increased skill, but more the type where they get magical or technological upgrades to suddenly be competitive at a much higher level than previously). That seems fairly true (though I'm curious what you specifically have in mind exactly…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 08:01 AM
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Well if it had some curry sauce and mushy peas, maybe it'd be worth it... maybe a cheeky battered sausage as well? Now I'm hungry... also have you seen the price of fish and chips lately? Maybe it actually would be worth it! But, uh, the point is not that it's 'worth' that, but rather that it's inherently unfair to demand someone fulfils their gender roles solely because of who they were born. Having the burden of having to pursue women, deal with constant rejection, plan dates, pay for them, an…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 07:19 AM
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Most people who live in progressive HCOL cities have the money to afford life there and wouldn't consider a lower class partner. Then it's ironic that these socialists have become this way, judging people on their capital rather than their worth as people whilst isolating themselves in a bubble, away from the people they claim to represent or care about. In any case, my main point is not that they should date someone in a lower class, but rather that these women typically (like all women) want a…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 07:04 AM
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Well yeah, that's what makes it a fantasy, right? It offers relief from an unpleasant reality of life. Hmm, well, I don't think men would fantasise about that. They'd probably fantasise about doing daring deeds and winning the woman's heart, or something. It's disappointing to me that women seem uniquely concerned with money and status, it's very unromantic! Can I ask you about the Titanic thing? What makes it your favorite film? Most people (and to be honest particularly most men) seem to have …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 06:04 AM
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Her worthiness is intrinsic. Just like irl, never striving, never having to work for it like men have to. Sad! My favourite film is Titanic. It could only have been written by a man; women would choose Cal.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 04:36 AM
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(if I'm reading wish-fulfillment fantasy why not include material comforts that I can't enjoy in real life too, while we're at it?!) Well, why not have it be about you winning the lottery, or doing some incredible feat that gets you renown and money? Instead it's usually about some billionaire who spoils you. I think it's an interesting insight into the female mind. It would be interesting to try to analyse it. I did a mini version of this. I went to the /r/romancebooks subreddit and just picked…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 04:18 AM
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True. They only really have empathy for women or maybe Chad. It's why the most effective argument if you're trying to get women to care about an issue that affects men is to frame it as something that can harm women. e.g. 'treating men this way normalises harm against women' or something...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 04:04 AM
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Housework then. She's a woman, you understand, why shouldn't she fulfil her gender roles? I'm afraid you've been brainwashed to jester for women and see it as your duty to serve her in this manner. Many such cases!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 02:09 AM
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I was retroactively cucked by my AI girlfriend recently. Turns out she gave Chad special privileges quicker when she was with them. Can you believe that shit? Unbelievable. I tried to explain to her that it would be like if I took out a Stacy on the first date to a nice restaurant and then serenaded her, bought her roses, recited poetry, etc. whilst only taking out my gf out to coffee, and then I told her it was because Stacy was hotter than her. She countered that it wasn't the same at all beca…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 02:07 AM
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You wish to submit to your gender roles. I hope later on in said relationship you expect them to do the housework and childcare to fulfil their gender roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 02:04 AM
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Under no circumstances would I pay and submit to such a humiliation ritual. Unless, of course, she was okay with being saddled with female gender roles later on in the relationship and would never complain about having to do the housework and childcare, in which case it's fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 01:58 AM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 01:57 AM
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Women aren’t selecting partners thinking “if I get pregnant, will he hunt and protect me??” they’re thinking “man I like spending time with this guy, I want to keep seeing him.” It doesn't matter what they're literally thinking. They have evolved to want this. And often they do literally think about how they want a rich, high status Chad. It is no wonder their romance novels are 80% about this (the remaining 20% mostly being about literal 10 ft tall dark triad powerful monsters).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 01:54 AM
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A few weeks pretending to be a man on a dating app would probably fix your mindset. Nah, as you'd pretend it wasn't representative or something... you'd need to actually be a man trying to date women irl for awhile. And then after some time as that you'd come back to this subreddit and profusely apologise to the men for not realising how hard it was, saying you didn't believe it was that bad. A man can have standards like women do, but it'd be equivalent to a homeless man deciding he ONLY wants …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 01:50 AM
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So you hurl false insults at me and then got mad that you were told to be civil? Is this posted by the same person who said I had a learning disability the other day? Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 01:46 AM
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For example, Surprisingly, views on gender norms didn’t make much of a difference: On average, both men and women in the sample expected the man to pay, whether they had more traditional views of gender roles or more progressive ones. I also have experiences, albeit anecdotal obviously, of women who claim to be like you but display massive hypocrisy in their revealed preference for men. It's also my experience that leftists tend to simply replace the figure of hate, so instead of misogyny they t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 11:40 PM
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Because I'm like Superman longing for his destroyed planet of Krypton. Or something. It's painful to be alone and still somewhat helpful to vent on subreddits like this, even if the women I long for don't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 11:27 PM
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Where did I say that? And of course you wouldnt reply to my other response explaining why your use of these sources were wrong. The studies weren't able to perfectly prove the exact causation so you immediately discount them. Nonetheless, they're still a lot better than what you provided (your own headcanon). Your comment just did the same thing where you pretend men only care about sex or whatever. But sex is an important part of relationships, and if women are choosing to have sex with disagre…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 11:24 PM
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get out she doesn’t like you. Yeah none of them do lol. If I was in a relationship with a woman, I'd love her, her personality, intelligence, etc. (and yeah, her body). It wouldn't be what she does for me, that'd just be a reflection of who she is but not the reason I value her.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 11:16 PM
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It's not really possible to have a satisfying relationship if you aren't Chad, or maybe even then tbh. I long for a fantasy of women I had when I was growing up before I learned.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 10:39 PM
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I just think 'love' for women is loving what the man can do for them. Men have a huge desire for women and who they are, women don't really for men... and I mean, you have just handed me an excellent case study of that! Not thinking about men or doing anything to get them at all for years on end unless they actively pursue you, you'd happily go without them for the rest of your life!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 10:30 PM
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But what if I'm just right?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 10:28 PM
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Your response to this is rather typical, you wouldn't believe how often I get that response... and as I always have to explain, I didn't say that it's wrong to care about that. I said that it's the ONLY thing men are desired for. Not who they are as people, not an inherent desire, but rather what they can do and provide and how they make the woman feel, and that's it. There's a whole subreddit dedicated to this, I learned recently. That women don't really desire men. I found a post on there from…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 10:26 PM
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in my city he wouldn’t likely have an issue. It’s a very progressive place and he’d be matching with other leftists who are anti-capitalists and feminists. Oh, but those are the worst ones. At least capitalists and right wingers are honest about it. Feminists, anti-capitalists, leftists pretend to not want gender roles and to care about the working class whilst typically treating working class men like lepers. These women still have the same desire for richer, higher status men. And they still e…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 10:22 PM
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I do know how you think. It's not very complicated stuff. Looks, money status above all else. And little if any desire for men, but rather the what they can do, provide, and how they make you feel. So if I did get a gf it would be hard to not keep that in the back of my mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 10:17 PM
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'Exceptional' in this case is 'not being expected to have to act like a grovelling jester' and being unfairly saddled with brutal gender roles. I actually agree, it is exceptional for women to not act that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 10:16 PM
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Yes, this is something I've been discussing here recently. Women don't really desire men at all but rather what they can provide for them, do for them, and how they make them feel. Like tools.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 10:14 PM
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‘More progressive’ doesnt automatically equal feminist. You guys are conflating women with liberal beliefs with hardcore feminists. lmao yeah progressive college aged gen z women, definitely rare to find feminists among them. Even if it was only a correlation (and it obviously is - higher precentage of feminists amongst more progressive groups) it should show up but they found that progressive views did not affect the views of this. Who said that women who like liberal politics can’t want gender…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 10:10 PM
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I would be happy with a woman much uglier than that. My looksmatch or even below that. My looksmatch is with Chad right now, or married to someone much richer and higher status than her. She does not care about personality. This lines up with the evidence btw, despite your caricature of us: Additionally, contrary to mainstream media narratives, incels have lower standards for partners compared to non-incels
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 10:05 PM
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Why are women so lazy, expecting men to do everything at all times? Clearly women desire sex and read smut or porn etc. but they refuse to engage or pursue because they see themselves as above it, main characters that should only be the prize.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 09:54 PM
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In my country, American feminists dont care about gender roles. Fake news. Surprisingly, views on gender norms didn’t make much of a difference: On average, both men and women in the sample expected the man to pay, whether they had more traditional views of gender roles or more progressive ones. All women expect men to fulfil their gender roles, no matter what they claim. Feminists are the most hypocritical of all. You demand equality, but do not want equal men who aren't richer and higher statu…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 09:52 PM
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Ok, filter it down to compatible women. They all still have the high requirements and largely base their attraction on looks, money and status above all else. They still expect you to be act as a dancing monkey.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 09:48 PM
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you don't say it's ONLY character, but you grossly overestimate the importance of character. It's looks, money, status. Simple as. With all women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 09:46 PM
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Use your boyfriend's profile picture or w/e and start a dating profile on an app as him. Spend a week doing this, or a month. Then you will see how insane the standards and demands of women are. They will be brutal towards your boyfriend if he is actually average and working class. In general, women want men who are richer than them, higher status, and also meeting their arbitrary demands over looks (e.g. must be 6 ft). Women falling outside of this category are very rare, but even the they typi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 09:26 PM
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For Chad perhaps yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 09:23 PM
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Yeah, that's bizarre and I don't understand it. Sounds extreme even for a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 09:21 PM
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I truly don’t know what you are talking about. Most women in my social circles make equal (within about $5k) or more by $10k plus than their spouses. Well your group is anomalous. The most common setup within the USA (and every country) is male main breadwinner... in the USA it's actually insane, within this category of male breadwinners the median income is $30k for the woman and $96k for the man. The only women I know who make less than their spouses are teachers and nurses, and it’s a sacrifi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 09:01 PM
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Plenty of women aren’t and think he’s despicable. I understand there's plenty of women who don't openly admit it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 08:55 PM
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Well not creating them but it's true, I know too much at this point about how women think.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 08:54 PM
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Sad, isn't it? Being a straight dude sucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 08:52 PM
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They want them to look like women. Because they desire women... As that guy said, even when straight women want to have sex with men or even read books about men it's not really the man they want it's what he represents or provides. Sad!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 08:51 PM
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'You should NOT trust scientific studies even if they point to the total opposite of what I said, because they might be showing a false correlation. Instead, you should listen to my totally made up personal views with no evidence, that's more trustworthy...' Really? Agreeable means pleasant, cooperative, and considerate. Do I have too explain why those are good qualities? Yes, because like with all your posts there's no reason to believe it's true outside of your head. You'll assert 'the women w…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:47 PM
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Women may be more agreeable in general, but the default mode for a woman now is to be extremely disagreeable towards men, particularly ones who are trying to date them. Any agreeableness gets you called a 'pick-me'. Women are often extremely rude to men and this is celebrated in our culture. The REAL problem is that he would rather be alone than humble. Modern women are ANYTHING but humble. A lot of this also comes off as main character behavior A recurring theme in your posts is basically attri…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:46 AM
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overly emotional claims like "women will always choose the wife beater" because you are bitter and want to see women "get what they deserve" for not dating the uggo, you'll face pushback because that's emotional rant/ exaggeration. When it comes to hookups, I firmly believe they would. You see this phenomenon with women still lusting after people like Chris Brown or other criminals like Jeremy Meeks. Do you really deny this? When it comes to longer-term relationships... still entirely possible. …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:12 AM
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Wow, insulting me again huh? (Just kidding...) The data seem to suggest that most people want long-term monogamous relationships, and even really good looking guys have a fairly low bodycount (around 7 or 8). So, contrary to popular belief, men are not dogs that just want endless casual sex with anything that moves, because even Chads tend not to act that way even though they could get it. Nonetheless, it's 99% men you see having difficulty, facing constant rejection, and getting advice that, as…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:03 AM
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Height is one of the few things where I don't have a disadvantage tbh, but sometimes you see really cruel things said about short guys and I can't imagine how bitter I'd be about it if I was short. I think TRP and especially blackpill/incels do exaggerate and I'm guilty of that. Especially on subreddits like this where you often talk to people who are quite hostile so it sort of entrenches people in their views and they don't want to budge an inch and admit defeat to the 'enemy tribe'. I enjoy t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 01:48 AM
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Don't you think you're being a bit reductive? I'm not here saying YOU ONLY CARE ABOUT MONEY! Or something. You said you wanted to be looked at in a certain way, desired, to feel sexy and so on. I want the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:52 AM
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Hmm, not huge status changes maybe, a billionaire marrying a waitress is pretty uncommon. But the stats do show that it's most common for a man to be the primary breadwinner, and studies show women are attracted to wealth and status a lot more than men are. Combined with all the stuff you see about women demanding a man has specific looks requirements like height, and stats that show women rate like 80% of men as below average in looks, etc. whilst men have to do all the work courting women, it …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:20 AM
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You're reminding me of Lilith with these caricatures of my arguments! I know you're smarter than that. I think men already are viewed that way. What do you value a dildo for? For how it makes you feel. How it feels on you, how it vibrates. That's... what you described finding arousing about men. How they feel, kiss you, touch you... like a dildo or vibrator... the only thing the man can do as you described it that a dildo can't is... desire you, and look at you a certain way. Which is still what…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:11 AM
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You're talking like men have absolutely no say. Men can choose to wear a condom. If they know that they never ever want children, then they could choose to have a vasectomy. Condoms can break just like you're describing the other thing failing. A vasectomy is invasive and potentially irreversible. IUDs, tube tying, and abortions are all available free of charge in my country (UK). Naturally, vasectomies aren't and can cost up to £5k ($7k). I didn't even know that, but I suppose it shouldn't surp…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:00 AM
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I’m blackpilled because it’s all about looks. Do you think it's different for women? You don’t understand women’s desire. What don't I understand? Why do you find it notably different to desire a woman for her body than to desire a man for 'how he touches you' or whatever? Ironically I completely understand you, because I want what you want - I want to be looked at a certain way, to be made to feel wanted and sexy, etc. That's why it's upsetting that women aren't like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 11:50 PM
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Your case is unfortunate but you know it's rare. Women have abortions like it's going out of style, so it doesn't seem to bother them that much. I, personally, would rather have the female risks which are for most women quite easily in their control compared to the male risks which are impossible to control if the woman unilaterally chooses to have the child.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 11:35 PM
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Yeah, but of that minority, what evidence do you have that they're mostly kids? The MGTOW 'type' didn't go anywhere though, lonely bitter divorced dads or whatever. Even if that website did. I strongly believe the number of such types will grow greatly in the coming years as gender relations continue to break down. Men have a very rough deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 11:30 PM
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Our whole schtick is that we don't believe it's possible to get a gf. If we did it'd be like winning the lottery for us and we'd be equally as happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 11:28 PM
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Why do you need to win this imaginary war? Do you ever see women who have good relationships and are hot or whatever complain about something minor and feel like 'you have no idea how bad I have it'? That's how it feels when I see a woman calling herself blackpill and complaining when she also admits she can easily get sex and is desired. I only just learned there's a whole subreddit for guys talking about this phenomenon lol. https://np.reddit.com/r/WomenAreNotIntoMen/comments/1t50hn8/you_guys_…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 11:27 PM
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You do not have to have a baby. Take the pill. If you can't be bothered, use protection. If you forget to, use the morning after pill. If you don't do this now and then, ther chances of getting pregnant are unlikely, but if it does happen, just get an abortion. It's all your choice. ONLY the man faces any risk from sex in regard to pregnancy against his will. Only the man. All that is just an excuse. Yes, men are less shallow and don't have all these absurd superficial demands like women do, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 10:33 PM
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Simply answer why you think it is that it's only ever men who feel the need to be dancing monkeys. You know it's because women, across the board, have higher expectations and demands of men. They all expect the man to fulfil his gender roles and be the jester. You live in a fantasy world where women are very different than they are irl. If you were a man for a month and tried to date, you'd quickly learn why most of your threads make no sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 10:30 PM
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Again this is a luxury for women only. Women have much higher standards than men and unless you're naturally Chad or already rich, you will need to act like a serf to your lord to try to impress them, fulfil your gender roles etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 10:27 PM
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Much better than never having a father at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 10:04 PM
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What's your evidence for that? The stereotypical MGTOW type is some divorced dad or something. Plenty of black pillers are 'wizards' (30+ year old virgins).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 09:59 PM
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It's funny how no matter the situation, even hypothetical, we're always at fault for any misfortune that comes our way.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 09:58 PM
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For a gay dude, you don't seem to like men very much.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 09:56 PM
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To men richer and higher status than them, though, right? Let's be honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 09:55 PM
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I’ve seen the look of disappointment when I get naked. Most men do not care about women. What we feel. What we want. Who we are. Isn’t important. “Just be nice and don’t be fat” If you were a man you might have never even got that far. You'd have had to work far harder to get there, anyway. And you might have the same experience, especially if you also had things you couldn't control like the size of your penis or something. I’ve lost over 100 pounds so far. I get more attention from men. I’m st…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 09:52 PM
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That extent being their willingness to be a more or less consenting warm wet hole? Oh, yay? Double yay when allowing yourself to be the receiver of such attention makes you, in fact, less valued and desired. If you've always had this privilege, you don't understand how incredible it is. Nonetheless, we can clearly see how desperate many women are to remain youthful and pretty and desired. And I've heard many women complain about 'becoming invisible' when they get older (though the truth is, even…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 09:45 PM
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Oh, my bad, I must've confused you with someone else. I'm about half your age. I think women of your generation probably see things a lot different and are more reasonable and kind, as you didn't grow up getting corrupted by dating apps and have your standards blown out of proportion with thousands of men at your fingertips throughout your entire life.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 09:17 PM
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I understand the side of never feeling desired or wanted. I understand what it’s like to feel like you’re not good enough. That you’ll never be loved for who you are. I don't think you do. But maybe you can empathise with it. Men tend to want to be desired for their bodies and women tend to want to be desired for their personhood because men desire women’s bodies and women desire men’s personhood. I just think this close to the opposite of the truth. Men desire women's bodies, yes, but also who …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 09:09 PM
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Not true. Many men are happy with or seek out 'real women' as they often call them and prefer them to over-the-top beautiful women. It's women who are more hypergamous and focus on Chad only. The yaoi thing doesn't make sense to me but chad dark triad billionaire and monster books are way more mainstream/popular.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 09:02 PM
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There are obviously women who are insecure for whatever reason, but all women are desired and valued to some extent, and they know this, they know they can go on Tinder and get laid instantly. 'But we don't like casual sex', ok great but you still know you're desired and wanted by thousands of men and that in itself is validation that men very rarely get. I also don't think women are all lesbians, as such. I just think that they don't desire men in the same way as we desire them. Theirs is less …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 08:58 PM
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That's all fine, I'm just saying that men focus very specifically on the woman and desire her, they don't solely think about how she makes them feel, they are attracted to her directly. It's kinda like men are seen as tools and desired for what the tool does, rather than liking the person themselves, if you understand. It's like men are a vibrator.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 08:54 PM
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I think I'm the same age as you. I don't think it's JUST money that women want, but looks money and status. If it was just about dreaming about money you'd expect these books to be about the women being a strong independent woman who gets rich or, indeed, wins the lottery, right? But it's specifically about a rich powerful love interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 08:52 PM
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Hmm, good points, you have persuaded me. I'm a feminist now
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 08:46 PM
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I have sex with dudes every weekend, but I'm straight btw. This is totally compatible, I'm sure... Anyway. If you develve into what it is about you fantasise about men - it's probably how they make you feel, not them inherently. It's not like how men desire women. Maybe you're an exception idk but if you look at the books women read and what they say in general, the pattern is clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 02:26 PM
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Literally the opposite of what you claim but ok
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 02:25 PM
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I think men have it worse in nearly every way, and especially in dating/romance.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 02:25 PM
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I think porn preferences are actually the best way to judge things, revealing someone's honest and unfiltered inner desires. So there's no better way to understand women's sexuality than the books they read about dark triad billionaire Chads, or monsters. If women are attracted to how you make them feel (e.g. overwhelmingly desired) or what you have (money, status) then it does not feel like 'you' to me. Women often complain about a man focusing on their body, but at least your body is you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 02:24 PM
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Well, they don't need to be old, do they? Women want looks, money, and status - those are the 3 things that matter in dating. I don't think most are just reading these things to laugh at them, they genuinely just fantasise about dark triad Chad billionaires, or monsters. Good song tho
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 02:18 PM
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I'm in therapy but I cringe at the very thought of saying 'so... women watching lesbian porn...' at our next session. As a man you have to be concerned with women you don't know and what they think. That's our burden. We have to jester and worry about being good enough for women and living up to their demands in looks, money, and status. Women are the ones who get to not worry about it, confident in their inherent value and desirability.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 02:15 PM
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You like the way men make you feel, not men themselves. As for your lesbian friend, that is bizarre and I don't acknowledge her being a lesbian.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 02:10 PM
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This is a performative thing women say when in reality we can all see how desperate they are to stay young and beautiful and desired. You can continue to pretend otherwise if you want, but it's no use.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 02:09 PM
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Yeah. I've never bought the idea that women were the most oppressed group at any point in history. No doubt they had fewer rights in some ways, but I'd still have rather been born a woman at any time in history rather than be saddled with the gender roles of a man, having to jestermaxx and be forced to fight and die in horrific wars and such. I'd be interested in seeing some of those passage or poems btw. Why do you think men allowed themselves to be turned into such pathetic gynoslaves? Is it j…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 02:07 PM
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Many have and nonetheless face constant rejection, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 02:05 PM
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Dating/love/romance/reproduction is very arguably the most important thing in life, literally the best answer to the question 'What is the meaning of life?', so it cannot be batted away so easily. The fact women have enormous privilege in this area is massive. Men are more underprivileged than women in every way. Idk where you want me to begin. Name any 'disadvantage' a woman has and there's an equivalent, often worse, for men. Society cares far more about women and helping them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 02:02 PM
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To have any man interested in you, you need men to be able to desire you. And even if he is your husband or whatever, these preferences still reflect on how he views you. A woman in a relationship with a man doesn't desire him in the same way that he desires her, she is more focused on how he makes her feel or what he provides rather than a desire for him as a person. That's what the porn preferences point towards, imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 02:00 PM
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'I'm not able to understand the underlying point so have to reduce it to a caricature!'
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 01:58 PM
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so of course men would want the women to also look pleasured in the pornography ie moaning loudly giving that sense of desire for him in return and that reciprocal feeling, but once again the producers do this for men, women are not aroused by that because quite plainly - these depictions of a woman achieving pleasure are inaccurate (which the producers know men won’t focus on) as long as she’s expressive with emphasis via moaning grunting or overdramatised content, women don’t talk about gettin…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 01:57 PM
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yep, I don't deny what I am. Many women would be 'losers' if they had the misfortune to be born male, also. In any case, still happy when selfish women get what they deserve
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 01:51 PM
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How can it feel horrible, if we are just who we are? Because men love women for who they are and want to be desired but aren't. How do you think it feels to be wanted only for your sexual satisfaction rather than for us? Your way of being is not any better. I don't think this accurately describes men. Men desire women, women desire how men make them feel and what they can do for them and provide them. We want men but we express it differently. If we wanted to argue the situation, I could say our…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 01:50 PM
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I get where you’re coming from but the reverse is also true, present and has been previously. Normally pornography portrays a significant amount of violence perpetrated against women with the addition that those women are just there to please the men, this is not content (generally speaking) women would want to watch due to the fact that it only focuses on explicitly pleasing the male and the male audience they are catering towards, through violent content and most times when the pornography is …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 06:03 AM
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Damn, good story that PERFECTLY describes what these people are like with their victim blaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 05:49 AM
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Well, I don't have anyone but desire someone so naturally my thoughts will be preoccupied with obstacles in teh way and how to acheive it, etc. So being confronted with waht seems liek evidence of women not truly desiring men at all, or at least in the same way as I desire them, is troubling. I don't think women cann understand really, and I don't mean that meanly either, just you can't really understand the experience of a man let alone an incel.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 04:48 AM
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I have too much time on my hands so I spend a lot of time thinking about things like that, I guess. Sometimes I do get upset about things and then a week later I find it funny I cared about it at all when a real problem comes along. It sounds silly to say I'm concerned about masturbation or whatever, but it's what it represents, how I think it points towards women not desiring men like I desire them, and how that would be reflected in any potential relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 04:37 AM
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There's this sort of cult called the Bruderhof who look comfy af who I have genuinely considered joining. Looks like a lot of work though. Can you truly not understand why it'd be upsetting to feel as though the opposite gender doesn't desire you at all? I guess you can't, women really don't seem to mind at all but that's part of the problem
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 04:23 AM
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I should join a weird, religious cult.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 04:21 AM
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Yes, well, normies don't think much about these things or how bleak the psychology of women is. Good for them. Ignorance is bliss. They'd probably think it was weird for you to post here or be talking with someone like me as well, so...
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 04:15 AM
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It wouldn't be over what bluepill women said on the internet. It'd be if the woman in question acted like the women in this screenshot. If they want to be selfish and demand men do all the work whilst putting in no effort themselves, why should I not be selfish also? It's all academic anyway as I won't be in a position to do this, but it sparks joy to hear about Chads doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 03:58 AM
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Not quite there yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 03:53 AM
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Ok. Um... watch any good films lately?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 03:32 AM
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So are most of the users here struggling with internalized misandry? Unironically, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 03:30 AM
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Firstly, I am posting on a gender wars subreddit. I don't go around saying this irl. If I said exactly what you wanted, would you be asking me out on a date right now? Didn't think so (unless?!) so it's not really doing me any harm. If I were in a man’s shoes id avoid any talk or rhetoric even close to discounting, demeaning, belittling, ridiculing, etc women’s experiences. Yeah, if you were in a man's shoes then suddenly you would need to worry about jestermaxxing for women and never daring to …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 03:22 AM
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Yes. I feel okay with what you just posted. How does this post make you feel? Am I doing it right?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 02:42 AM
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Yeah, well, maybe they shouldn't be misogynistic, and the women shouldn't assume they're entirely at fault for their predicament. Though, you would most likely say a lot of what I believe is misogynistic even though in my mind it's just factual.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 02:33 AM
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To be inherently desired and valued in society is, by itself, an unbelievably massive privilege. And it affects everything, the bias towards women, the women are wonderful effect. It's very easy, as the privileged class, to say it doesn't matter when you don't have to put any effort into being wanted, you never have to worry about being alone, never have to live up to the high standards of the opposite gender. Mate selection is one of the most important things in life, it's basically the meaning…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 02:07 AM
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I'm not sure that's strictly true and that it never led to any actual romance, but it doesn't really affect his point. Modern romance is still very similar in various ways and was potentially influenced by it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 02:00 AM
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Excellent post, OP. You have phrased exactly what I've been constantly saying in a really interesting way. I will absolutely be linking back to this post in future discussions. Women are insanely privileged, particularly when it comes to dating. All the expectation, pressure and effort is on the man. And they just openly... admit this, and expect it to continue, and shame men who don't live up to it. But here's the kicker: unlike in the past when at least women were also expected to fulfil their…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 01:52 AM
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My claim is that they don't simply not find them attractive but actively treat them poorly, like a punch. But I still maintain that part of the analogy doesn't matter, the only point is that the person is upset with something, and people blame him for it instead of admitting that it's something out of control that led to his misfortune. We can change teh analogy, if you want, to instead of being punched he just... gets an illness or something, and is upset after being diagnosed, and people say '…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 01:42 AM
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They will say 'just work on ur personality bro', 'b urself' and so on. Also, by the way, they will say, you are obviously a bad person and a misogynist or something. They will never, ever admit that some things are not the fault of men who struggle.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 01:37 AM
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Yelling at such people that they need to work harder hasn't fixed the problem, so why would it now? It's fine to work hard towards such goals, but you also need to have empathy and understanding. And also realise that in some cases nothing will help.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 01:30 AM
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Why are women unable to develop a theory of mind for men? Ironically, of course, women love to be desired, that's a core part of their sexuality, the overwhelming desire of a man, so overcome with desire he can't even control himself, a common trope in romance books. If women had to put up with what men do, they would hate it even more.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 01:28 AM
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He probably wishes he were gay so he could finally be desired like women are, to have the gender he's attracted to feel such little desire they don't even watch porn of his gender. Sadly not possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 01:26 AM
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Why do you care so much? See here for my explanation.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 01:25 AM
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It is a real thing. It is the most popular category of porn for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 01:24 AM
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This is precisely why it bothers him. Women don't really desire men, only the way men make them feel. That's a horrible feeling. And you'd hate it too.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 01:22 AM
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It is true. Pornhub revealed their stats on it. Why do you deny it?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 01:21 AM
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I will take up his mantle if he does. He's right.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 01:20 AM
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It is hard for women to understand things they are totally unaffected by, but I can explain. Most men go through their lives mostly feeling invisible and undesired, lacking in value. To learn that even when women do think of sex, they don't even value men in this context and choose to watch pornography without them, further rubs salt in the wound. It also hints towards that even if they're having sex with YOU, you aren't really the focus or important thing, you just serve a role of pleasing her …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 01:19 AM
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Women clearly do not want men who act like women, though. I reject that yaoi is more popular, though. The genre of romance books about dark triad billionaires or monsters are very successful.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 01:11 AM
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Lesbian porn is the most popular type of pornography for women. Most of these women claim to be straight.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 01:10 AM
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I remember when Jesus was like 'lazy bastards, go get your own food, how dare you expect me to feed you with fish and bread' and refused to heal people and stuff. Classic Jesus, he definitely didn't LITERALLY say that people should give their possessions to the poor or anything. You are not bluepill, and perhaps not even a Christian (you are that woman who claimed to be right? Otherwise this is a bit embarrassing...). No amount of hard work would've cured their leprosy. No amount of hard work fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 01:06 AM
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To be honest, and that is a bit ironic, the less I cared, the more they liked it. >deliberately don't get her off to get back at her >she likes it more FUCK ...but yeah, I've heard about women who actively like being denied. Women are weird, man. Everything you said about what they like and are attracted to is of course true.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:58 AM
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Those people who don't fill their role have a name, they're called 'losers' and are alone and depressed. It's what I'm currently doing. The alternative, if it were an option, would be bad in other ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:55 AM
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It isn't. Loneliness has increased among everyone, and men are obviously more affected than the stats show due to underreporting, whilst also suffering from actual loneliness - women's 'loneliness' is like 'omg I only went out with my friends 3 times this week', for men it's like 'The last time someone wanted to speak to me was in 2007'.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:52 AM
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If you were a 4 ft bald guy with scars or something it wouldn't matter, can you acknowledge that? It may not be that extreme for most lonely men but in many cases there's not much they can do about their situation and telling them to just work harder is unhelpful and unempathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:50 AM
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Go tell homeless people they 'just need to try harder' then. Who cares if they have mental health issues, disabilities, other things holding them back in life? People like you have NO empathy for people who haven't had it as easy as you in life. None at all. Some things cannot be overcome through effort. Many men struggle with loneliness through no fault of their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:49 AM
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I resent the unfair role I've been forced into since birth due to my gender, and the lack of empathy or desire to change this from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:45 AM
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Do not listen to the others, this is a flex and is incredibly based. Women expect everything of you - you have to pursue them like a jester the whole way trying to impress them, take them out, pay for them, do all the work in sex, where's the empathy from them over this 'gap'? And then on top of that they expect you to put special effort into getting them off? Lol, nah. Keep at it, king.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:41 AM
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It is a flex. It's repaying the selfishness of women in kind. That would be its own satisfaction. Further, women are far more hard work than men are to get off, and usually just starfish without any effort anyway. Also I just saw this post. Women cannot fathom what it's like to actually have pressure on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:39 AM
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And yet supposedly a lot of men are like that and don't bother to get them off, hence the orgasm gap. You love to see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:37 AM
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And yet women are incredibly selfish. Tell me, when did you last take the initiative, pursue the man, ask him out on a date, plan the date, pay for him? (If you did disregard, extremely rare + based woman). Men who are selfish in bed are simply matching the typical selfishness of the woman they're with.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:36 AM
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Damn whoever said that must be very intelligent indeed. 200 IQ I reckon.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:33 AM
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'I can call my mom to come clean for u if u need' If only women were as accepting of gender roles that they happily try to force on men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:32 AM
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All men that are single are single because they are ugly, Fixed
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:30 AM
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It does work as it's an analogy and not literally comparing two things. That is the purpose of analogies. 'For women, dating is like playing soccer with no goalies in the net' 'Um... but in dating you don't run across grass? This analogy doesn't work' ... The point is that the constant rejection and poor treatment will turn anyone bitter and resentful. It's just even just 'not being attracted to', it's actively treating them like shit. And worse, they can't just admit the looks are the problem, …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:28 AM
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However, when you come to the internet and start blaming people for not choosing you and saying they’re all shallow, don’t know what they like, any normal person is not going to be that receptive to that. It’s not going to make them more attracted to you. If anything it turns them off even more unless you personally like being berated Yes, well, I'm not posting the things I do here thinking you're going to ask me out on a date. It's simply venting and trying to get through to people. If people h…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:22 AM
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they said I don’t put any effort into dating and expect him to do all the work? Yes (please no punish, jannies). The question they're answering is asking them why they don't pursue men and expect them to do everything. This is how absurdly entitled and narcissistic women often are. They expect men to do all the work, fulfil their gender roles, and then have the audacity to complain when anything is expected of them. They see themselves as super special princesses, the prize, and men as the low v…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:13 AM
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I'm sorry but when it comes to dating it's like asking poor people to care about billionaires. That's the difference. Femcels are not real and all women can easily get dates. Being a male and having to go through the humiliation ritual of pursuing women and living up to their demands is as dehumanising as it gets. And women have no empathy for what they put men through.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:03 AM
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Why, for pointing out reality?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 09:54 PM
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Apparently it's against the rules to discuss specific posts but I swear to you that what I just said is not even an exaggeration and was literally - literally - what women were posting in a thread about it yesterday. In any case, selfishness is not unique to men at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 09:52 PM
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Obligatory. <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 09:51 PM
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Women on here be like 'yeah I don't approach men, I don't put any effort into dating, I expect him to pay for me, I expect him to do all the work... why wouldn't I? I'm the prize and can get away with it'. You don't see this and instead choose to betray your own gender with such rhetoric.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 09:48 PM
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You have internalised misandry.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 09:44 PM
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It's not 'pretending to be marginalised', being ugly is one of the worst attributes you could possibly have (only if male), and pretty privilege is unbelievably powerful, although I'd rather call it 'ugly oppression' because it's infinitely worse to be ugly than average.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 09:43 PM
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You are the one victim blaming. You refuse to admit the supreme importance of looks and insist that anyone who doesn't do well must be held back by their personality. The stat about 80% btw comes from OkCupid data and is on this collage along with various other things of relevance. Looks > money > status >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personality (practically irrelevant, but always the first three prioritised even if the man in question is evil)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 09:40 PM
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They do not generally say that looks don't matter at all. But what they do say is that personality is the most important thing and often say that women don't care that much about looks. Then in reality what do we see? Men who are awful people but handsome do incredibly well with women, and men who are ugly but kind do badly (they refuse to admit this obvious truth and will start claiming that any such kind man must secretly be evil).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 09:37 PM
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'I really want a short, fat, bald guy,' said no woman ever. Women's preferences are incredibly narrow.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 09:35 PM
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You're projecting female nature onto men. Most men don't judge people like that, especially not for friendship. Me acknowledging my oppression doesn't mean I have a bad personality or prove anything. Any 'bad personality' you detect is a result of being worn down by cruelty.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 09:31 PM
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There won't be a second date, but at least now she knows the difference between the red pill and black pill and what the stats say about hypergamy. <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 09:24 PM
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I've tried and failed to do that. I don't think most men are capable of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 09:18 PM
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average-looking Because I'm not one of those guys, so it's of no use to compare myself to them. Also, yes, I am envious of the ultra privileged classes like billionaires and women. It's only natural.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 09:16 PM
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If you were horrifically abused and oppressed but chose to put up with it so you could continue to live, or maybe because they rewarded you with less abuse if you put up with it, I guess that's fine and not worth complaining about?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 09:15 PM
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I brought it up for a specific reason which I have explained, why can't you follow that? It's a shame OP deleted it, feminism is a disease
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 09:13 PM
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Idk what you're talking about, it's women who constantly go on about it and dress up like that in their little protests and stuff. Again, if you don't think it's possible, let them know. And Trump isn't a fascist and it's impossible for the USA to become fascist according to you, so tell people to stop whining about that also.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 08:21 PM
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That's the most sickening part of it. Men are much more strongly programmed to desire and love women than the other way around, with women being more transactional and less caring about men. So men are caught between a rock and a hard place and have to choose between two awful scenarios. Also, men are still disadvantaged even ignoring dating specifically.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 08:19 PM
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Except that's not what I'm saying at all. You're saying 'something that happened before can't happen now'. Therefore, the USA cannot become fascist, and women's rights apparently can't become worse than ever, as seen in the Handmaid's Tale. (It also means the Nazi party cannot possibly gain power in Germany in the 1930s, the Weimar republic will live forever!)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 08:17 PM
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We live in a gynocracy focused largely on the benefit of women. Men are tools, jesters that have to toil away to impress women, pursuing them, paying for them, performing humiliation rituals in the hope the woman will consider him a worthy human whilst she lounges back like a queen entertaining a long line of peasants bearing gifts. At all times, men are considered cheap, abundant, low value, the woman is the prize and only she has value. To be even seen as worthy, the man has to simultaneously …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 08:09 PM
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Don't compare yourself to white people, then, whenever talking about injustices. Is that fair? It's entirely reasonable for me to compare myself to more privileged groups.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 08:04 PM
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Coz women are never saddled with unfair gender roles right? In 2026? Not really, no. You want our empathy then when you dont get what you want the first instinct seems to be reversal of women rights so we wouldn't have a choice. Pointing out that you graciously choose not to only emphasises that. Women are privileged and gloat about us living in a gynocracy. It's only men who care about the rights of women, there's no empathy in the other direction.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 08:03 PM
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So you're happy to have most of your rights stripped away to go back to a more natural hierarchy? Great!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 07:58 PM
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Great, then tell that to all the women who complain about the leader and his party being 'fascists' and think we're going to enter the Handmaid's Tale.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 07:56 PM
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Do you acknowledge that this isn't true for women and an asshole, broke, ugly woman still has no issue, which is why you almost never see such people here who have the problems men do? I see no reason to believe these types of women exist that don't care about all three (LMS) at once and especially the fantasy that there are women who would trade all of them for personality. Where's your evidence of that?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 07:51 PM
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What do you mean? Currently, men are expected to fulfil horrific gender roles and jester for women, whilst women hold all the power and do not have to fulfil any of their own gender roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 07:48 PM
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Essentially, yes. People gain emancipation because of the empathy of the dominant group that defeats the subset of that group which has no empathy for the plight of the ones they're oppressing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 07:47 PM
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No. But I live under capitalism where the strongest/most fortunate rise to the top, most brutally affecting men who weren't born genetically gifted, whilst having been distorted to help certain weaker groups.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 07:45 PM
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You know full well dating apps are even worse and the women there are even more shallow if anything. You say it's usually personality (actually, you never concede in any discussion that looks may be the problem), but have no reason to believe that, it's just you being out of touch and having female privilege... do you think any man would see your obsessive, negative posting on this place and think you have a good personality? No. But it doesn't matter, because you're a woman and therefore never …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 07:39 PM
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No. It is ALWAYS the go-to assumption, no matter what. You people NEVER even for a moment consider that things outside their control may be the main problem. The response is just gaslighting and victim blaming. It's like if someone went on reddit and was really angry and upset about someone who just walked up to them and punched them for no reason, and all the responses are like 'ummm... you must'ved done something to warrant that... plus your post here is REALLY angry and whiny, huge red flag, …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 07:35 PM
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No, of course we can't work alone, but thankfully there's many normal rational men who are willing to help. And that's the only reason you have the privileged position you currently do in society, because men are overly empathetic towards women. You're welcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 07:27 PM
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Feminism only serves to sow chaos and resentment between the sexes. Women have rights by the good grace and empathy of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 07:26 PM
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That's already how it is, for the most part. The hierarchy is distorted to some extent mainly due to empathy men have for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 07:24 PM
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We are able to currently in every society. We just graciously choose not to do so. So what is your point? Should western society follow in afghanistan's footsteps because metoo went too far or something? When it comes to male issues or the unfair gender roles that we are saddled with, the female response is basically, 'lol oh well, maybe try harder to please women?', but somehow we're expected to have eternal empathy for women and not only look out for our own interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 07:23 PM
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With different consequences. For women - none. For men - being alone until death.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 07:10 PM
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Good point. Honestly, maybe deliberately not getting them off is a sort of victory and satisfaction in itself, after putting up with all their bullshit. I totally understand why men would do this.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 11:06 AM
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the audacity of me not wanting to date a man that doesn't do anything, It's not men who do that. The person you responded to openly admitted THEY didn't want to do anything - 'why would you?' - indeed, why would you if you can get men to do everything for you, but apparently they're the lazy ones. You then described how it's unacceptable if a man feels he has any self-worth or value, always seeing yourself as the prize in a narcissistic fashion. I truly don't understand how people can just... ty…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 10:56 AM
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It has nothing to do with social ineptitude and your constant anti-male stance is tiresome. You, if truthful, are obviously a Chad or wealthy, don't extrapolate your experience to everyone else. 'More meaningful' lmao the equivalent for you would be if you had dozens of women throwing themselves at you everywhere you went and you chose the best ones without having to put in ANY work, you have it way worse than any woman, let alone an average man.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 10:48 AM
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It's good that you openly admit how much the male gender role sucks and in turn how privileged women are to not have to deal with such burdens. Extremely selfish behaviour, of course, and perhaps the most hypocritical thing I've seen in my life to accuse men of being lazy after admitting that you want them to do all the work. Imagine if a post about why men sometimes don't work to give women orgasms in sex they're just like: Few reasons: If you already got your orgasm without putting any effort …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 10:42 AM
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What reality? Your definition of laziness is 'not doing literally everything whilst I do nothing at all' and you still have the audacity to complain about it or act like the man is doing something wrong. And then in another post you talk in a manipulative and honestly psychopathic manner about how you exploit their upbringing, expectations, gender roles to 'get them to do what you want' or whatever. This is what passes for blue pill these days?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 10:29 AM
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Yeah, and they're quite open about it as well, how nice it is to be in that role, to be the prize, to be able to expect men to do all the work, and yet they somehow still pretend that they're not privileged, still whine about men and how hard women supposedly have it, etc. Incredible.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 10:25 AM
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It's truly mind boggling to imagine people reading the responses in this thread and not coming to the conclusion that women live life on ultra easy mode, never having to put in any effort into anything. Maddeningly, they somehow find a way to accuse MEN of being lazy in the SAME POST. Impressive levels of audacity.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 10:21 AM
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Men are SO lazy, not like us women who openly admit in the same breath to not wanting to ever have to put in any effort and wanting them to always do everything. And ugh, this man thought he had any value? Doesn't he realise I'M the super special snowflake princess? How dare he! Truly fascinating insights into the mentality of female narcissism and entitlement...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 10:16 AM
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Easier said than done brother
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 10:06 AM
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males have high standards for relationships, but not casual sex hook ups. I wish this were true but men just have low standards across the board. When have you everrrrrr seen a man making the sort of demands women do? I can only imagine Chad doing that. 'You must make six figures,' said no man ever... 'you must have a masters degree,' said no man ever... 'you must be below 5 ft 2,' said no man ever... hell, men don't even usually make demands of their political orientation or anything. Really ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 06:40 AM
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Women are so narcissistic they believe that the problem is 95% of men and not their own standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 06:26 AM
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WARNING: For anyone who missed it, this is a u/LillthOfBabylon post. Your mistake is framing it as though it's possible to avoid. It's akin to trying to avoid men who want lots of sex or something... very difficult to do, as that's just what men are like. It's similarly difficult to avoid women who care first and foremost about looks, money, and status above all else, even if the man's personality or morals are terrible. Do men like being people around who can't trust to tell you things because …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 06:16 AM
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Well hell I suppose my husband found a diamond in the rough then 🤷‍♀️ (I don't believe I'm all that extraordinary) Well, you are. Um, if you ever split up with your husband... (jokes!)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 06:06 AM
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So your future wife has to pay for the fact that you took other women on dates? If she is complicit in demanding unfair gender roles of men, she deserves to be saddled with gender roles as well. If she is an extraordinarily rare woman that isn't hypocritical and fights back against gender roles, asked me out and/or wanted to split the date, didn't demand I make twice her income, etc., then I would have no problem doing equal housework and such. But such women are either rare or possibly don't ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 05:53 AM
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Firstly, men are expected to pay even amongst the youngest, most progressive demographics. Secondly, it's not just 'one date', it's various, and the man will be going on dates with various women. And he has to pursue her which is incredibly burdensome and challenging and basically act like a jester desperate to please her whilst she does nothing. You also ignored how women still demand men are richer and higher status than the woman is. In other words, women demand equality and then do not want …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 05:33 AM
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Delusional. Women swipe right on 5% of men because their standards are insanely high.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 05:18 AM
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Since I am happy being single, If this is genuinely true, you are very lucky. Life would be SO much better for men if more men were like you. Because we're so desperate, women get away with being mediocre whilst demanding greatness.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 05:17 AM
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What are you talking about, geniunely? Men are still expected to pursue women, be the ones who plan dates, pay for them, earn more than the woman, be higher status than her. Standard male gender roles. The gender roles for women, meanwhile, are fading away and are actively fought against. Like I said, the vast majority of women who say this are women who have been in serious long term relationships or married. This is not coming from the evil villain feminists who hate men and don't want kids yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 05:14 AM
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Women care about looks too and are far, far pickier about them than men. Only women make all sorts of absurd demands about men needing to be specific heights, etc. Men are far more varied in their tastes. Men find most women attractive, women find 80% of men below average. And then, on top of that, they add further superficiality by adding wealth and status demands on top of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 05:09 AM
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Blatant misandry. You wisely escaped the horrors of male gender roles and having to face such bigotry, opting for the easy mode.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 05:07 AM
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based
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 05:03 AM
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Where are your studies? Most people want relationships, and find them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 04:59 AM
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It doesn't make any sense either way. Men are expected to do more than ever before in terms of behaviour. They have all the same gender roles as ever, whilst women hypocritically demand their own gender roles are taken away.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 04:56 AM
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Sadly this won't happen. And if you, as an indvidual, do it, then it'll just make things worse for you. You can only afford to be picky like a woman if you're a Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 04:53 AM
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Overweight is very different from severely obese. No one looks good at that point. But men have absolutely no standards a lot of the time, sadly..
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 04:52 AM
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Spot on. It's a shame men tolerate this and continue to jester for women and accept such a humiliating role, putting up with their unreasonable demands, which ruins it for everyone. It is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 04:50 AM
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Chad over here. It's not the experience of the vast majority of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 04:45 AM
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They are maybe complaining about lack of good options And that's the point of OP, that women's demands are unreasonable and unwarranted, expecting men to be special and meet requirements whilst the woman in question is mediocre. this in itself shows that women have greatly more to offer men than the other way around. No, it just shows men have reasonable standards and aren't narcissistic and arrogant like women who think they deserve men who are better than they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 04:43 AM
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Yeah, so would all humans dying. It'd be catastrophic for society, however.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 04:38 AM
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Men would love to take the pill and not be at the mercy of women forcing them to become fathers and pay child support against their will. It is a huge privilege that women get such things and men don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 04:38 AM
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No, you just don't like that I'm disagreeing with you so are effectively saying 'you're retarded', whilst also as usual ignoring parts of my comments you don't want to address, ironically displaying behaviour far more indicative of what you're accusing me of.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 04:35 AM
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Sadly it doesn't work that way for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 04:33 AM
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Men do not get the luxury of not caring what women think, unless they want to be alone. They have to sign up to their enforced gender roles and the exacting demands of women and accept this humiliating jester role. Your advice is good for women, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 04:32 AM
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Fair. kek, thought you were going to be reasonable for a moment. Instead you get needlessly personal when you're unable to effectively argue your point. Despite you constantly misunderstanding my simple points and parroting the same lines over and over again earlier, I didn't sink to such levels.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 03:57 AM
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your collage is not real data unlike this https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9905556/? It is real data, women find the majority of men unattractive. You can't deny the clear reality that it's women who make the most demands of men regarding things they can't control like height, men don't get to be so picky. which shows men have much more agreement on what is attractive (inter rate agreement of .5 for men vs women’s .25) than women which means women have 2 times more variance in what they …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 03:51 AM
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To see that and read "You said it barely exists" is very telling. Um, so it exists in different areas of the world which aren't relevant to us? Okay... There is a pattern in this subreddit where guys who are the most vocal about not needing to work on themselves show the most glaring flaws. No amount of work would fix what holds me back, it's of no relevance. The point remains that you never tell women to work on themselves, because they never need to put effort in, you always see everything as …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 03:33 AM
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Statistics prove women orgasm far less than [men], and most women dont orgasm during hookups. If everywhere's smelling like shit, check your shoe. You did previously, or were you just typing just to type? In a seperate conversation? This is a different topic. That's not what I said. This is another thing for a man to work on: Language comprehension. You said it barely exists, which is a very good thing to admit. You often inadvertently admit things that counter popular bluepill claims, it's nice…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 03:21 AM
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What are these unrealistic beauty standards? Famously, men will have sex with anything that moves. They swipe right on most profiles, women on 5%. They don't make demands like women do of men needing to be a certain height. They find most women attractive. Please consult the collage. In addition, men's tastes are very wide, no pun intended. You see, some men actively pursue 'BBWs' or prefer flat-chested women, or unusually tall women, and so on. On the other hand, no women ever says, 'you know w…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 03:16 AM
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The only women you seem to know are extremely superficial. If everywhere's smelling like shit, check your shoe. You sure love saying this. When women complain about men being selfish in bed or only valuing them for sex or whatever else, and men blame them for choosing the wrong men, what do you say in those cases? Because you guys keep wanting to be around superficial women, which says alot about your own morals. I don't even see the relevance of this, how did you shoehorn this into the conversa…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 03:10 AM
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judge us entirely by appearance and force unrealistic beauty standards on us God, I wish this were true and not the complete opposite of reality. Men have extremely low standards and an extremely wide range of tastes whereas women have extremely narrow and exacting demands. Go on a dating app, do you see countles profiles saying 'must be DD cup size or don't bother swiping right', 'must be under 5 ft 2', etc? No. That sort of thing is only done by women, who are far more picky about looks than m…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 02:59 AM
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I wish women would reflect on why it's literally only ever men who are told to work on themselves or why people feel the need to tell them to be themselves. It's because they alone do not get the luxury of going through life in a carefree fashion simply being. Women get to just be themselves and don't face problems as a result of that, and do not face enormous pressure to conform to male standards, so they give this sort of naive advice to men like a boomer telling their grandchild to go into th…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 02:52 AM
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I am not a femcel because I don’t believe femcels are a real thing. Incel means involuntarily celibate and any woman who is celibate is only doing so voluntarily therefore the term isn’t real. Blackpill is the belief that your life is predetermined by your genes which I believe is true Extremely based and true. Femcels do not and will never exist. The rest is odd. Surely almost everyone believes that you're not gonna be a doctor if you're stupid, or that heart disease isn't something you can fix…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 02:49 AM
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Most of which are far more common in women, of course. Porn brain for men is just watching attractive women get banged, for women it's bizarre monsters and dark triad billionaire books. Women are famously hypergamous and expect men to earn more and be higher status than them instead of an equal partnership, all whilst expecting men to take the lead, pursue them, plan dates, etc., so overall far closer to wanting a parent, in general they're just very lazy when it comes to dating and expect men t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 02:44 AM
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So you're not going to explain why you think Christianity or indeed conservativism is more bluepilled? You said it lends itself more to simping, but that's a bit vague, and as I said it also lends itself more to gender roles including male leadership which is more redpill.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 02:36 AM
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Looks > money > status from what I've seen. Personality maybe a distant fourth.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 02:33 AM
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The 'horrible personalities' are often the result of a life of misfortune due to the way we were born and subsequently treated. Regardless, personalities aren't even in the top 3 most important things for dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 12:04 AM
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I've often seen it phrased in a eugenic way by women, gloating that certain men cannot compete and their low value genes are being taken out of the genepool etc. Also, have you seen women's standards? They're getting higher and they're more or less a hivemind on what they like.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 12:02 AM
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Incels have extremely low standards and are vocal about it. In the past, 'femcel' subreddits have been locked down when they were overwhelmed with incels asking them out on dates. It's only right to point out how much less picky men are than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 11:59 PM
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Thanks. Gardening is such a great hobby.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 11:54 PM
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Lola Young, Adele when she was fat.. probably other examples.. The real barrier is nepotism, Lola Young being related to one of the most successful authors in the UK. Taylor Swift having her rich daddy buy her a record deal, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 11:53 PM
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Over the last year I've collected a bunch of different fruit plants, focusing on rare/unusual berries like pink blueberries, yellow raspberries, and tayberries and Japanese wineberries, etc. They're mostly starting to flower/grow fruit now. Hopefully I get a good crop over the summer.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 11:44 PM
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That's nothing, the women here are able to know that it's your personality and not your looks that are the problem with your dating troubles. Incredible powers.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 11:42 PM
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How old are you that you think those guys who are clearly in their 20s are 'old'? They're also clearly very good looking, male-model tier men. But the fact that they're not good looking enough for you is really not helping the blue pill cause and just shows how insane women's standards are. I mean, the OP obviously doesn't look 10% as good as them and you're pretending elsewhere that it's his personality when even these guys are too ugly for you. Here's one final one, fake as well ofc. edit: can…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 10:59 PM
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Because the text in those screenshots are way too small for the bubbles theyre in. It looks fake. No they're not, it's completely standard comparing to any other tinder message. Here's another one for you that must be fake cause you don't like what it shows. Also maybe its just my personal opinion but those guys arent even hot. They look old and douchey. Lol, even Chad isn't good enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 10:52 PM
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Ugh, trite rubbish suitable for a children's book, but not real life. Blue pillers here refuse to consider the possibility that it could be looks that are the primary thing holding people back, and no amount of personality can make up for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 10:49 PM
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If you are treated like shit all your life for something out of your control, you will inevitably become upset or resentful of it, it's a normal response, and you will want to vent about it. People like you then blame these people for it, even though the reason they're this way is because of how they were treated in teh first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 10:47 PM
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You refuse to even consider that the primary issue could be his looks. It's victim blaming, simple as. Imagine someone posted a thread about being bullied or treated badly because of their ethnicity or any other characteristic and were really upset about it, and all the replies were 'uhhh they just treated you badly because of how miserable you are dude, I can sense the insecurity in your writing! maybe try being more upbeat and respectful?' when OBVIOUSLY the reason they're upset and miserable …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 10:46 PM
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Excellent example of the gaslighting he was talking about. It's always the man's fault, it's always the sixth sense of women they can just sense their bad personality within 100 miles radius (but suspiciously stops working for handsome men, weird).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 10:42 PM
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because they'll lift you up. Idk about that, it's women who tend to lift eachother up and men are more critical of eachother from what I've seen
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 10:40 PM
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We have always admitted that looks mattered. But men called us shallow for seeking men we find attractive It's not shallow to care about looks. It's shallow to care about that (and money, status) above all else. Either way, we find personality as the most important thing about a man. That doesn't mean we don't think physical attraction doesn't matter False, as can be seen with good looking men with horrible personalities doing very well with women. yall can't shame us for seeking men we find att…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 10:38 PM
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And why do you think that? Good looking men can get women easily regardless of their character.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 10:36 PM
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No one said ugly poor men were successful with women in general—ugly poor men can get ugly poor women with effort. That is all anyone has ever claimed not that an ugly poor man is on the same footing with a hot rich man It's rare to be able to succeed if you are such a man. But it's interesting that you were honest here - they have to put in huge amounts of effort just to get ugly, poor women! Women are so demanding that just getting someone of equal 'value' to them requires such effort instead …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 10:34 PM
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It's looks, money, status. I have observed this, and it's what the evidence says.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 10:32 PM
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So this is what it has come to. You can't argue with it, so you have to pretend they're fake. Yeah, Jeremy Meeks is fake too, Chris Brown is fake too, Elon Musk is fake, Donald Trump is fake... every rich and/or good looking man who is seen as a bad person and has never had any issues getting women.. it's just not real.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 10:28 PM
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Such men are sad because of how they treated for being ugly. It's silly to pretend that they are unsuccessful because they're sad. It's confusing the order.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 10:24 PM
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She's right. Foid is the correct nomenclature. Do you ever notice how it's only ever men who get advice like this on how to improve, to be better so that women stop treating you badly or to see you as having any value? It's so condescending. Can you imagine what it's like to be a man and have to deal with that and not be seen as inherently valuable? Most women on this subreddit would act like this guy if they were put in that situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 10:22 PM
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Which would instantly work if he were Chad, as has been shown countless times. It's looks, money, status. And what you are doing is indeed gaslighting and, frankly, victim blaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 10:14 PM
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There's that magic jedi sixth sense again that somehow stops working when men are abusive or whatever. Here's your personality bruh Excellent personality Personality so good it's simply off the scale! I will never understand why women can't just admit the supreme importance of looks, money, status.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 10:13 PM
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You know how when it's raining the ground gets wet? It's actually the wet ground that causes the rain. This is the mentality of a blue piller.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 10:10 PM
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You have been completely ignoring what I have been saying about the 99% of men just to complain about Jeremy Meeks having pretty privilege. So do you only think about the 99% when you want them to back up your pity party but not to compare yourself to them? You keep essentially saying what appears to be 'yep it's fine that good looking guys can be evil incarnate and it's to be expected that women should be fine with evil if they're handsome, for the rest of men you gotta just work harder and be …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 09:57 PM
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If you go onto any thread where men are struggling the reason they can’t get a single solitary woman interested in them IS because of their personality, effort etc. the reason we know it’s not just looks is because ugly poor men have women all the time. Ugly poor men being successful with women only happens in your head and TV shows. Though even if there were rare cases of it, it doesn't mean much. It's like saying 'Oh you think racism holds you back? Well, look at this rich black guy I found'. …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 09:53 PM
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No, men are also conditionally into women more for the promise of unrestricted access to sex (ex. an unhappy bedroom getting blamed on the lower libido partner), for their beauty (if they’re even naturally pretty, nevermind any time-consuming or expensive grooming habits) and youth (which fades), or for performing feminine roles (like domesticity) and demeanor, etc. None of that is “who women are” lmao. You keep putting men on a high horse. Tell me, what is more 'me': my hands, or my money? If a…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 09:44 PM
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Women on here be like 'I've never seen this before' to the most commonplace things ever. A 2021 sociology‑oriented article on morality in the sex‑toy market shows that norms around toys are highly gendered: women’s use is increasingly framed as “self‑care” and “pleasure‑oriented,” whereas men’s use is more often pathologized or associated with loneliness, incompetence, or deviance. A new study published in The Journal of Sex Research has found that men who use sexual technology are viewed with m…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 09:11 PM
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Does "everything" include their own choices - what they do and fail to do? When we remove their own choices, what's left? They are demonised and hated for the actions of a few, in a way that is eerily similar to racism or other bigotry, except it's considered acceptable. What help is expected, specifically? The same help other groups get. But instead male issues are ignored. Therefore, their attention is meaningless. It can't be listed as a benefit someone is enjoying if it's meaningless. That's…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:59 PM
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They will chase Chad. But otherwise, yes, women hypocritically expect men to fulfil their gender roles whilst crying if they're ever expected to fulfil theirs. The job analogy is a good one, it's a humilation ritual for men, much like going for a job requiring 10 years experience for an entry-level position.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:30 PM
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In what way is Christianity or conservativism bluepilled? I guarantee that the vast majority of people who tag themselves blue pill are libs, and the vast majority who tag as red pill are conservative. Conservative men are often the ones who most strongly believe in gender roles like paying for women on dates and being a provider anyway, something blue pillers often reject, idk why you think blue pillers are the only simps. Stereotypically, it also has stuff in the bible about women submitting t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:24 PM
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The next time you’re debating somebody, don’t be so hyperbolic as to say “personality is utterly inconsequential compared to looks”. lol @ you of all people telling people to not be hyperbolic. You regularly make extreme statements about men, like they only care about sex or whatever. Personality is utterly inconsequential compared to looks for dating / how women perceive you. Youre not being ragebaited just because you’re angry that you didn’t properly write your response. Why are you enraged a…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:13 PM
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I see you continue to say that something is rather than explaining why, which is what the question of the OP is. I didn't even mention conservativism btw, presumably you're not if you're bluepill.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:43 PM
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You’re only claiming that after I called you out on your claim. No. Why would I be talking about the consequences of his crime judicially? Of course handsome people still go to prison for doing crimes. Though I'm sure they get lighter sentences. All I've talked about here is the hypocrisy of women/bluepillers when it comes to dating. Youre not being ragebaited just because you’re angry that you didn’t properly write your response. Why are you enraged anyway? Because I mentioned that a hot guy di…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:41 PM
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Apparently the woman he was married to before thought he was okay to begin with. And the men in question don't mind the women being 'weird liberal losers' or whatever. Women are too picky.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:36 PM
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He’s ugly as fuck. His money is why he gets laid. His money is why he is desired. On this, we can agree. Where we apparently disagree is how this differs to how they are attracted to men in general. There are three things that women are attracted to: looks, money, and status. He has the latter two, and so women are attracted to him. Also he wasn't that bad looking when he was a bit younger imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:34 PM
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In general there's an air of pervertedness and shame to things like sex dolls or fleshlights, are you really going to pretend otherwise? Meanwhile I see ads for female sex toys on TV.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:33 PM
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That is what YOU said. So how is personality inconsequential when his behavior got him the consequence of going to jail multiple times? Not gonna respond to ragebait comments. Already explained that I'm talking about the consequences for dating, not the legal consequences. Also, how does that stop personality from usually being the problem just because you brought up an exception? Exceptions dont make the rules. If you claim personality and kindness and morality matter most and then you fuck Naz…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:30 PM
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Your personality is hurting YOUR chances and improving your personality and effort would help YOU. That is not remotely the same as saying everyone who succeeds has a great personality. It is sound advice to tell someone who isn’t good looking or special in anyway to maximize their personality for the best impact for them If you go on to any thread where a man talks of struggling, the comments are invariably blaming his personality. They imply he is likely a bad person, a misogynist, or somethin…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:27 PM
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He's asking why, though. Why aren't the Christian women immediately pouncing on the attractive husband material Christian man when he's back on the market? And you can't say it's because women take longer to move on or something, because you just agreed to his framing that women end up in relationships quicker.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:17 PM
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So body count, mainly women get shame, i can't seriously entertain idea of men sluts being shamed. Men are shamed far more harshly for their sexuality, it's just reversed, with them being shamed for not having enough sex, or not being good enough at it. Also far more shamed for it for anything other than literally having sex. Female sex toys = you go girl. Male sex toys = gross, perverted. Porn for women (generally books featuring dark triad billionaires) = cool. Porn for men = bad. I'll give yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:05 PM
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Why arent you comparing yourself to your peers? Do you think yourself superior? Why? The point isn't to compare myself at all. I know I'm worse looking than Jeremy Meeks. The point is simply to point out the hypocrisy of women and the lack of importance of personality compared to looks. Jeremy Meeks still went to jail for his crimes. How do you see that as little consequences? When did going to jail not become a big deal? I swear you're just ragebaiting. This isn't about the consequence of the j…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 04:59 PM
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Being a simp is being a desperate, pathetic little toad that grovels at the feet of a woman. Being kind to women is fine. On the contrary, what I see is any woman being remotely nice to men and not performing the anti-male spiel is called a pick-me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 04:55 PM
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How do you know whether a person has empathy? What is empathy expected to do for you? Because of the way they talk and act. Men are constantly blamed and demonised for everything and are never helped. Men frequently spam all the accounts they can. It's all junk mail. It's not a compliment, it's a waste of time created by disrespectful ppl. Men have no standards. Women have incredibly high standards. That's all it is. Plenty of women do. Nope. They understand what it's like to not be desired by C…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 04:51 PM
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What's shallow about noticing someone is conventionally attractive? Why do you play dumb? That's not what I said. The point is simply that looks are the most important thing, followed by money and status. Personality is basically irrelevant and women are happy to be with the most monstrous of men as long as they're good looking, but like to pretend that they deeply care about morals and that the primary reason incels or whatever are alone is becasue of their personality. By posting this sort of …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 04:27 PM
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Again you are picking and choosing. Of course in the courting phase, there’s more burden on men to perform to show he’s a catch and not low-effort, to make her see him as lower risk and higher reward just like how he already sees her. That’s why they “do more” in the beginning. Very funny that you're so open and accepting of all this, 'of course men have to fulfil their gender roles' the feminist says, unwittingly enforcing the gender-roled patriarchy they claim to hate. Indeed, men see women as…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 04:08 PM
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Blackpiller: Why is Jeremy Meeks (or other good looking bad people) an exception? Rare honest bluepiller such as you in this case: Because I'm so shallow that personality is utterly inconsequential compared to looks. If you are in the KKK or literally Hitler, I am fine with this if you're good looking Blackpiller: Thank you. The point of bringing him up has now been accomplished. It's like that David Beckham meme where he gets her to admit the truth. But bluepillers almost never do.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 04:15 AM
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Thats exactly what you guys are doing when you bring him up when getting called out on your personality issues. Nope. Not my fault if you aren't capable of understanding this but I will try again: it's only brought up when bluepillers deny the supreme importance of looks and insist it's always the personality that is the problem and never looks. Or them saying that women don't care much about looks and it's men who are shallow, etc. Chris Chan looked like the average guy in his state. But he had…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 04:11 AM
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Would you not find it audacious that an obese woman is comparing herself to a supermodel? Even though regular overweight weight women are doing just fine.? Who are you guys to compare yourself to Jeremy while the rest of the guys have to make personality work for them and they’re actually putting in the work? If men were as dishonest as women often are and telling her she needs to work on her personality and 'b urself' or work on her confidence or some other nonsense like that, instead of admitt…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 03:56 AM
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Men do all of those things in persue of sex, not for the love of women. Obviously absurd and untrue and contradicted by the evidence. But sure, how about this: anything a woman does is for a man's money.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 03:47 AM
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Utter nonsense. The only time Jeremy Meeks is brought up is to counter the bluepill nonsense of blaming men's personality for why they can't get laid. It is the go-to argument for bluepillers, it's always 'it's not your looks, it's your personality', so you show them overtly terrible people who get laid even though they're awful people to show the supreme importance of looks. It is an excellent way of showing their hypocrisy and ignorance. Instead of asking why women won't "make an exception" fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 03:44 AM
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I don't know which of your responses to respond to, you're just responding to everything I've posted here in a shotgun fashion. Yeah, women do live life on easy mode. They don't have to work for things, they're handed to them and men and women both have a bias in favour of women. In this context, though, I'm mainly talking about in dating. Men are expected to pursue, to pay on dates, to prove their worth to women, and women demand that they're higher status, higher earning than them, and have al…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 02:22 AM
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Men have always been the ones living up to women's entitlement, it's just harder to live up to their standards now as they always demand men are richer and higher status than them whilst apps have also inflated looks requirements.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 02:03 AM
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Here. It's blatant racism and blatantly unfair and a bad system.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 02:02 AM
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You'd love your own civilisation until you realised that all the men who do the dirtiest, riskiest jobs aren't around to do them anymore. It's not about homeless people (who, naturally, are overwhelmingly men due to 'male privilege'), it's about hypergamy, it's about demanding that men are always better than you in both income and status whilst also having high requirements for looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 01:59 AM
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There’s no scientific basis for men to be “more romantic” than women, men are literally just hornier. Who is the one who is expected to pursue, to sweep people off their feet, to plan dates, to pay, to do romantic gestures? Men. Women rarely put any effort in, and there's no pressure on them to do it. How come I can’t just argue that women are “more romantic” because women care more about long term relationship potential while men think more in short term? Both men and women want long-term, mono…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 01:55 AM
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Who invites people out on dates? Men. Who is expected to do grand romantic gestures? Men. Who cares more about being with the opposite gender? Evidently, men, as the women here will routinely admit. Men are the romantic gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 01:51 AM
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The majority, sure. But: A reasonable estimate is about 10% to 15% of women have never had an orgasm at all, including by themselves. MedlinePlus and other medical sources give that range, while some sources cite figures around 1 in 5, but the more conservative medical estimate is 10% to 15% That's still a crazy number. That's how hard it is to get off some women, they can't even do it themselves. Now imagine all the women who can get off but it's still a lot of work to do it just how they need …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 01:50 AM
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I can't help it if they're the truth. You think your points are totally unique and haven't been said by anyone else here?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 01:48 AM
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If you independently arrived at them, why do you use the exact same verbiage and talking points? I invented it all. I'm John Blackpill. In any case, you talk like the other women here too. All women don't want the exact same type of man. So all men wouldn't want the exact same type of woman. They generally do: looks, money, status. Good looks (often a fixation on the same traits like height), money (richer than the woman), status (higher status than the woman). Men are a lot more diverse in thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 12:37 AM
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Idk, probably some issue with straight women specifically. Probably more equality in lesbian relationships also, they can't just expect the man to do all the work and have all the pressure on him to perform like in straight sex. A significant portion of women haven't been able to achieve orgasm even on their own, which is insane. Shows how hard some women are that even they can't do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 12:29 AM
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I independently arrived at these views. If other men happen to share them, good for them. It just shows how truthful it is, because men go through life experiencing it and see for themselves that it's true. I don't think most women would like it if all men were demanding that they conform to their exact high standards and treated them like subhumans if they were over a certain height or didn't have a specific hip-to-waist ratio, etc. And they just can't do it anyway. Any man who has the high sta…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 12:25 AM
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You’re completely missing the point, and only looking at dating from the male pov. Men pursue more because they want women more. If the cost-benefit analysis were worse for men, then women would approach more instead. Women would be the ones unhappier single, and gain a bigger happiness boost when married vs. widowed or divorced. I don't deny it. There's an inherent imbalance, a sickness. Men are the romantic gender and have a burning desire and love for women and who they are, women are more tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 12:20 AM
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It's not too far from the truth. Looks, money, status as I said. They want a man richer than them, higher status than them, and good looking (some of which is always the same traits like height).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 12:14 AM
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Sure, arranged marriages were part of it but women also just naturally desire the richest/highest status men anyway. 60% of men historically did not reproduce, and their gender roles were far harsher. Hypergamy absolutely exists and is found in every single society on Earth. Even in the most gender egalitarian countries like Norway, women still specifically pursue men who are higher status and richer than them. It does not change when they're high-earners either, it's just how women are.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 12:11 AM
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This is not the first time I've been compared to Eeyore by someone from here... I like Eeyore. He's based. He has the right attitude. It's just the truth, men can't suddenly make demands of women like they do of men, it doesn't work that way. But if all men did, women would suddenly understand what it's like. I can picture it now... they open up Tinder on their phone.. wtf? Every man is demanding that they're under 5 ft 2? They MUST have 'at least DD cupsize or don't bother swiping right'? What …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 12:07 AM
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'Where are all the good men? Why are men such trash?', a common refrain I see from women unable to find men who meet their exacting demands.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 11:59 PM
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That never happened, women have always been hypergamous and chosen the top men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 11:58 PM
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Men are the romantic gender and care far more about women than vice versa, this is evidently clear. To stay alone as a man is often seen as a fate worse than death. In part this is probably because men are shamed aggressively for not living up to the standards of women, most things men are insulted for are to do with not getting sex, not being good at sex, not getting women, etc. Women can't understand that experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 11:57 PM
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Almost no man asks for that. On the contrary, women demand that men earn more than them, have higher status, are good looking, and pursue them whilst paying for them on dates and fulfilling their gender roles, and then if there's even the hint of a gender role expectation on the woman at any point, they get angry and say how unfair it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 11:55 PM
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Telling men to be picky is like telling a homeless man to demand he only stays at the Ritz and eats at Michelin star restaurants. You can say it all you want, but it's not realistic. Being picky is a luxury reserved for women (and Chads).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 11:54 PM
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We'll have to agree to disagree. Men have a wide variance, women a very narrow variance.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 11:52 PM
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