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It's based on sexual contact, other studies go into it better and the rate drops to about 3.5% for pre pubescent children and young pubescent adolescents.
/r/MensRights29/07/26 03:25 PM
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Here's the study: https://www.humanrights.unsw.edu.au/news/study-finds-one-10-men-has-sexually-offended-against-children About 9.4% of Australian men in this survey self-reported at least one form of sexual offending involving a person under 18 during throughout their lifetime The "kids" line is a little misleading to some given the vast majority inevitably pertaind to 16-18 year olds. So legally it may not have even been a crime but it was chocked up to CSA in these stats Sexual offending also …
/r/MensRights29/07/26 03:22 PM
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and you're still sitting around rejecting reality, what's new
/r/MensRights28/07/26 11:39 PM
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They are welcome to them and to discover what some women before them discovered: that the grass is not greener on the other side and comes with consequences they never could have imagined from their protected lives. I imagine some women are rather satisfied with the agency and autonomy working provides them. Couples are increasingly not getting married / marrying later, living alone together, entering dual earner households, or simply focusing on their careers. Is this wrong? A bad thing? I thin…
/r/MensRights28/07/26 05:05 PM
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What, stats? studies? reality? If it was had you'd have some kind of response, you don't because you're wrong and humiliated after talking all this big talk when you're evidently clueless
/r/MensRights28/07/26 12:12 PM
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Latter - A sudden shift. So... that would mean its social / sociological, not evolutionary / biological. But it’s kinda weird to call the old a “regressive gender stereotype” and the new as something else. Ultimately, both old and new were applicable to their times/systems. Regressive to modern standards. I.e. the gendered roles of that time emphasised common problems such as male disposability, tying his entire worth on his ability to provide - and tying a woman's entire worth to her ability to…
/r/MensRights28/07/26 09:31 AM
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Lesbian couples sport much better outcomes when it comes to orgasming. There's not knowing what you're doing, and then theres lazyness / apathy
/r/MensRights28/07/26 09:13 AM
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The focus has shifted from this type of media specifically existing for boys, and now exists to serve boys and girls, it's more balanced. It's selection bias, you see the odd movie with a female lead and you think it's a way bigger deal than it is. This is what happens when you grow up on media which was very much dominated by male protagonists and totally substance less female characters.
/r/MensRights28/07/26 09:05 AM
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I hate when people prove me laughably wrong too champ, best to run away rather than face you don't have a clue what you're on about
/r/MensRights27/07/26 07:29 PM
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you know the very reason they say most women can't come from penetration is because the penetration doesn't last long enough/ the man doesn't know what he's doing angle or rhythm wise...or he's not sizeable enough. Hilariously untrue. Not that it's biologically impossible for most of the population FOH!! Run that through logic first. Sex is an evolutionary incentive for men and women to make babies. If most women literally weren't able to come through vaginal, what would be the incentive for wom…
/r/MensRights27/07/26 07:20 PM
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That’s not the case anymore. Male labor has been thoroughly and systematically subjugated such that men don’t have individual value outside of how tall/handsome they are. Is that evolutionary or a shift from regressive gender stereotypes that have a much more limited applicability to modern life? A man’s labor-value is controlled by giant corporations, he’s underpaid... That's just modern capitalism. Maybe you could apply the prison pops to evolution and risk taking behaviours but those also hav…
/r/MensRights27/07/26 07:14 PM
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Again, can't respond to something with such little substance What you said could just have easily be a sociological statement, concerning gender roles and how women are perceived as the prize. And we can look at how this historically has shifted from trad con dynamics to more modern equal ones. Give something worth responding to. Saying it's biology as a hard truth doesn't prove anything in itself. You've got to do some work to figure out a relationship, and how that relationship explains the ph…
/r/MensRights27/07/26 05:21 PM
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right, bringing us back to the problem where female arousal isn't being considered as much as it needs to be in the ideal of a sexually reciprocal intimate dynamic
/r/MensRights27/07/26 05:17 PM
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But you're misrepresenting this issue as if the issue is men finish too fast That's not relevant and not an issue most men will have when it comes to something as simple as caring about / pleasuring their partner because fingers, toys and mouths don't stop working after a blokes finishes.
/r/MensRights27/07/26 05:11 PM
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And yet men still orgasm, they're still sexually satisfied the vast majority of the time. Some women may be too passive, not confident enough in saying what they like, but equally both should want to put the effort in. Given the state of the the gap, men simply aren't being expected to do enough. You lay it out pretty well by presenting sex from a point of view where women's pleasure isn't being accounted for or emphasised because all you're focusing on is PIV. Things like clitoral stimulation a…
/r/MensRights27/07/26 05:05 PM
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Then: because you consented to sex on the understanding she was using contraception, but they failed to take that contraception or compromised its effectiveness, how is that also not a form of rape? Did I say it wasn't? Do we agree it's rape or not I don't understand. Not necessarily: just like contraception can be deliberately compromised but in a way that may not be discovered easily, so it looks like an accident or can be more readily dismissed as accident, but is still fundamentally a rape b…
/r/MensRights27/07/26 03:33 PM
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You'd have to give something of substance to counter for that to happen All you've done is state evolution means women are the prize, therefore an equality movement focusing on male problems can't exist with substance It's also like, inherently anti what this sub is about, trad con attitudes towards gender and sex are the exact kinds of things feminism and MRA's find issue with
/r/MensRights27/07/26 03:29 PM
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Bit of a bizarre clapback. Most people aren't this jaded and upset over discussions about giving romantic partners a good time in bed. If you've got any experience at all you would be well aware that PIV is a small part of reaching an orgasm for the vast majority of women.
/r/MensRights27/07/26 03:26 PM
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Is it not a generic responsibility to have your partner enjoy sex? Common sense? A super basic standard / expectation? The general point of the orgasm gap discussion is that guys either don't know enough or don't care about their partners pleasure. That there's a mismatch in effort / compassion
/r/MensRights27/07/26 03:23 PM
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Everyone in a relationship should be in expected to put some effort in to get their partner off Is that not insanely obvious?
/r/MensRights27/07/26 02:38 PM
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biological deterministic drivel
/r/MensRights27/07/26 10:12 AM
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There has been a lot of progress but I think this swing the other way notion is overblown. Hell you have numerous people in the comments outright refusing to accept something like stealthing as a form of rape. Like you imply it's a pretty nuanced topic and the dynamic varies massively. It's frustrating ppl on this sub don't seem to recognize how more nuanced and explored approaches to consent help shed some light on victims of SA, especially male victims who may not recognize or feel like victim…
/r/MensRights26/07/26 08:41 PM
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I never understood stealthing. If there's a reason to wear it, many times it's because I don't really know you and you don't really know me... Condoms are also just very basic components in... safe sex. Doesn't really matter the reason why someone wants to wear one, it's a matter of one person wanting it to be on. But slipping off or clown collaring is rare. With the dire state of sex education It's still probably a worry how much it happens. Especially with young people and being irresponsible …
/r/MensRights26/07/26 07:09 PM
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Christ sex ed and comprehension of consent must be appalling if you don't think stealthing is rape
/r/MensRights26/07/26 05:09 PM
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Some basic education is very much needed though, rape culture is still disgustingly prevalent i.e. 10% of US men admitted to stealthing which is a pretty clear example of rape. Many more (40%) either view it as not rape or usually not. People need to understand the nuances of consent and how it applies to different relationship dynamics, as it stands now far too many people are ignorant or maliciously ignorant.
/r/MensRights26/07/26 05:08 PM
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Obviously There is no perfect equivalence because the implications and context of each individual are fundamentally different. Men and women are different, therefore the approach is different. It's painfully surface level, or worse desperate and deliberate ignorance
/r/MensRights26/07/26 03:45 PM
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There is no such thing as "being realistic", while defining a crime. Is there not? In a casual conversation about murder you tend to stick to reality for the basic legal point rather than debate it's foundational definition via Increadingly absurd hypotheticals. It's good to stay grounded in reality, else you end up misapplying points to something like stealthing and making false equivalences as you did. Theft is a different crime from "breaching the contract" — and it is definitely the very dif…
/r/MensRights26/07/26 03:42 PM
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Stealthing is rape, I don't get false equivalency or who they are. It's about what either partner consented to) The debate around a woman's right choose what to do with her pregnancy is an entirely separate conversation.
/r/MensRights26/07/26 03:01 PM
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if a third party tampers with the condom — did that third party rape both? no? that's not how rape is defined What do you mean by "so far disconnected? In what time period the theft must happen to become "a rape"? It was a nice way of saying be realistic. Well, we sure do. For example, one of us is seriously classifying theft as a rape. No, I'm classifying breaching the consensual sexual agreement of a sex worker rape. I'm not engaging with these unserious hypotheticals, keep up with the basic p…
/r/MensRights26/07/26 02:57 PM
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I addressed the questions I thought were serious Is buying a cheap condom, knowing full well that it might break — a rape? It is not "an accident" — you know that it might break. It's a really bizarre scenario but still no. You don't go in with the intention to breach your partners boundaries or what they consented to. losing the condom was not an intentional malicious act to circumvent your partners wishes. If you tampered with the condom though to make sure it breaks then yes. There's always t…
/r/MensRights26/07/26 02:33 PM
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Because you consented to sex with contraception, they removed the condom ignoring what you consented to. How is that not a form of rape? It's like saying after you consent, anything goes regardless of what you initially consented to. Such a gross perspective. A condom breaking is an accident, not rape For sex work, you paid for consent, if you steal that money back you're breaking the terms of consent.
/r/MensRights26/07/26 01:54 PM
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probably on the same line as stealthing
/r/MensRights26/07/26 01:50 PM
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I don't see it as an issue. Oprah basically had a chat with Nelson Mandela, recognized the unique cultural differences and traditions within the country that women experience. And saw an opportunity to fund the support that specific demographic in South Africa to break that specific cycle of poverty. Only issue I can imagine is a generic opposition to single sex schooling but that clearly isn't what op was getting at
/r/MensRights25/07/26 04:55 PM
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There's plenty of all boys scholarship / bursary schools in SA that are pretty equivalent. Just none of this specific nature in terms of being brought into fruition by a single face
/r/MensRights25/07/26 04:10 PM
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Right... rape is hard to prove, not sure what the point is. Not sure this is the right sub to be criticising victims of rape. It's a pretty core issue this sub tends to oppose. If you want a better perspective perhaps the underreporting rate of sexual violence would interest you
/r/MensRights11/07/26 09:10 PM
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Is less policy and law and more cultural issue that ebbs into these others. I.e. the abysmal conviction rate for rapes. There is still, regardless of the progress we've made, an existing rape culture which is what this type of comment is about. Ideas that women ate asking for it for wearing say revealing clothes, not explicitly saying no etc
/r/MensRights10/07/26 06:33 PM
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Sure... and pretty much all these men inherited millions from their families. The biggest predictor of wealth has and always will be starting capital. It simply provides you with the nepotism, connections, social capital and finances to access the millionaire club and access educational opportunities which simply aren't available to poorer people. Also, but it odd to ignore the cultural elements at play which have historically dissuaded women from this type of wealth or careers which would lead …
/r/MensRights06/07/26 06:06 AM
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And a hypothesis needs to be grounded in some degree of rational thought. You've just expressed that the word upsets you in the post and that some people use it to be mean. That's the extent you've gone to so far.
/r/MensRights30/06/26 07:29 PM
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Well no, you've claimed "cis" is a term stolen from real science applied to social science It's not stolen from anything, it's a widespread term applied to modern concepts of gender and sex. You discredit its existence based on nothing as of yet, and seemingly outright reject engaging with scientific study beyond wether or not you personally agree with a single instance of clearly relevant and useful academic terminology. It's so asinine.
/r/MensRights30/06/26 07:27 PM
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So your distrust is based more on vague sentiments and broad criticisms of science, rather than something a little more concrete? I.e. again neuroimaging on trans vs cis people. Is a study suddenly unscientific and discredited as soon as it covers a topic you don't care to understand? Surely it'd be better to engage with the research without this kind of personal bias and approach it with a critical psychological lens via methodological / design / sample oversights rather than dismissing it base…
/r/MensRights30/06/26 07:14 PM
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you should look into things before embarrassing yourself Ah, blocked, guess they finally looked into it :(
/r/MensRights30/06/26 07:11 PM
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Is the stance you're taking that neuroimaging / psychology isn't real when entire fields of research you have personal feelings about don't exist purely due to... utilizing obvious and relevant human signifiers, al just to pander to your personal worldview? Neuroimaging research into the difference between trans ppl brains and cis ppls brains should refer to both via the same exact term? Can you rationalize how that's anything but an emotional stance? It's all a bit tragic no? A fuss over a defi…
/r/MensRights30/06/26 06:49 PM
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right, I'm sure thinking beyond the surface level makes it obvious why "cis" isn't in the same category. Let's not try so hard to feed a complex when the obvious is right there
/r/MensRights30/06/26 06:43 PM
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but does that make "female" a slur?
/r/MensRights30/06/26 06:42 PM
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Yes is does? A researcher would use language that doesnt leave room for misinterpretation. A "cis" label does that job perfectly. That's why the experts do it. It's frequently used in neuroimaging studies. Science helps inform politics
/r/MensRights30/06/26 06:40 PM
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Says who? You versus actual Bio researchers You can whinge all you want it's not particularly convincing when we have decades of research utiliting these useful terms
/r/MensRights30/06/26 06:19 PM
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Cis comes from chemistry describing the orientation of molecules. It's just latin for "on this side of". Been a thing since the early 90's in scientific study Most public health, neurobiology, and endocrinology studies have adopted it by the early 2000's. Reckon you're a bit behind on the times lad.
/r/MensRights30/06/26 06:12 PM
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Is female a slur because some people use it in a degrogatory sense? There's no need to apply victhimhood to every little thing, it's a little pathetic
/r/MensRights30/06/26 06:09 PM
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Nah, similar subs verging closer to aggressive sexism did though, then the stragglers from those crawled over to subs like this
/r/MensRights30/06/26 05:10 PM
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What parallel did you think you drew here?
/r/MensRights30/06/26 04:45 PM
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Because it's a scientific term, "cisgender" I'm sure people in very specific communities have used it in a dismive / insulting context but that doesn't make it a slur. That's being dramatic, it's like calling female a slur because some people use it with derogative / dismissive intentions.
/r/MensRights30/06/26 03:20 PM
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Right. All the more reason to call out op for their disgusting victim blaming attitude, and note how this is an issue men have a unique gender based experience in regarding how society perceives sex and how gender interacts with that perception.
/r/MensRights17/06/26 08:56 PM
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It just feeds off the general fear of false accusations which mixes really poorly with the seemingly widespread lack of foresight to see how damaging it is for a sub supposedly about mens rights to so outwardly slander / attack / attempt to invalidate victims of sexual assault and harassment. Male victimisation in regards to sexual assault etc is a core pillar of this sub, but suddenly the notion of supporting victims stops mattering. "they didn't say no, they liked it at the time, I'm not a min…
/r/MensRights17/06/26 08:53 PM
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Brother... Just because somebody doesn't say no, doesn't mean it's a yes. Really bizarre take on a sub about mens rights. Do you not think male victims, notably those on this sub, would appreciate you slandering them and shite attempt at invalidating their experiences? also, 2 text based sexual harassment claims against you? What innocuous things do you keep saying to women that makes them feel so uncomfortable?
/r/MensRights17/06/26 08:28 PM
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Your original comment was bashing OP for speaking the truth. They said it was gynocentric, we both gave evidence explaining that no, it's nuanced. What you claim is a far cry from the reality. right... laws are still there to read. It is an example of gynocentrism, whether you like to admit or not. A law solely protecting women and leaving ample opportunity for misuse, is textbook example of gynocentrism. But not evidence that India is some sacred female utopia. They presented this incredibly sk…
/r/MensRights13/06/26 09:40 AM
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Oh so now it isn't so black and white. Interesting. Never was? Been saying that from the outset, arguing against the person who presented it as if it was Oh no, the poor women, so poor in fact that the supreme court is repeatedly warning against the misuse of it. In fact recently a judge had to say that you cannot simply just file under section 69 whenever a relationship goes sour. It can be misused, thats why India introduced legal protections for men against such misuse. And why the law itself…
/r/MensRights13/06/26 08:59 AM
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Again it's displaying an example of almost colonial era laws centred around deeply sexist gender roles and expectations and presenting it as if this exemplifies a gynocentric society when obviously, these deeply rigid traditional / religious gender roles harm """""men"""" and """"women"""" in """""different ways"""", disadvantaging men in certain forms of protection, and women in similar ways with the addition of limited - no autonomy It's not black and white, Having sexual intercourse with a wo…
/r/MensRights13/06/26 08:19 AM
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I know how India ranks concerning women's safety, it's not looking too great for this female utopia facade
/r/MensRights13/06/26 08:00 AM
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Marital rape isn't a criminal offence* Rural India especially has deeply entrenched gender roles of extremely limited autonomy Legally progress has obviously been made on major cities but to reject the issues of safety is a bit odd. There are clear systematic problems disproportionately faced by Indian women. It's global security index is one of the worst for women too (131 of 181) https://inc.in/congress-sandesh/others/women-s-safety-and-79-years-of-freedom-are-we-really-independent You're disp…
/r/MensRights13/06/26 07:56 AM
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India? The country where t raping* your wife isn't a criminal offence? India isn't a particularly stellar example to propose as some kind of gynocentric utopia
/r/MensRights13/06/26 07:22 AM
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The answer is no, predicting the guy would make some braindead direct parallel between racial segregation and a women's only bus to stop SK men from harassing women. It's a surface level gotcha, we both know what they were aiming for, anyone with a functioning brain knows they're a moron for attempting as much
/r/MensRights09/06/26 06:35 PM
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right, immutable characteristics which interact very differently with history, policy, biology and behavior. I was giving ppl the benefit of the doubt assuming they'd see how a direct parallel is stupid.
/r/MensRights09/06/26 06:30 PM
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I dismissed it, because it's a surface level gotcha rather than an attempt to understand a topic with any depth I explained as much, surely we're not dim enough to also be conflating to two right?
/r/MensRights09/06/26 06:21 PM
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Was that the best you could do. Just ignore the explanation and babble a bunk point. Silly
/r/MensRights03/06/26 05:03 PM
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lol https://www.researchgate.net/publication/347319866_An_Examination_of_Subway_Sex_Offense_Modus_Operandi_A_Case_of_Seoul_South_Korea Subway sex offenses are a prevalent and serious issue in South Korea. It was also found that situational factors such as passenger density and traffic volume created opportunities for the offenders Furthermore, they could attempt to revive discontinued programs such as women-onlysubway cars after a thorough examination of the demand for it as well as its impact on cr…
/r/MensRights03/06/26 04:59 PM
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Come on, this is low effort stuff. You're clearly conflating two totally different claims: People should take reasonable precautions against risk / People have a responsibility to modify their behavior to avoid provoking criminals. It is therefore unacceptable to further incite arousal of sexual desire in inappropriate places, because it teases men in circumstances they can't avoid. fucking ew. Love how you completely ignored my study explaining the effect clothing has on sexual assault / harass…
/r/MensRights03/06/26 03:40 PM
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Adding women-only buses without ensuring equality of access to men in other ways means introducing inequality and discrimination against men. Again, the problem you're having is assuming the status quo is equal. It is not if one group faces a substantially higher risk of harassment while using that service, equal access on paper doesn't necessarily mean equal access in practice. Improvements to the lives of women are not in dispute here, only when they come at a cost of disadvantage to men. The …
/r/MensRights03/06/26 03:33 PM
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Nah, I think so because Korea has a documented and pervasive issue with women being harassed at disproportionate rates on public transport.
/r/MensRights03/06/26 03:29 PM
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"Actual crime statistics" are incidence rates. That's literally what crime statistics are. The issue and part of what I made note of is whether recorded crime reflects actual victimization. Which is why I said that reporting rates, legal definitions, and enforcement affect crime figures, which is why victimization surveys exist in the first place. To try and get a better picture of actual figures.
/r/MensRights03/06/26 03:28 PM
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if ppl are getting harassed at problematic numbers then probably. I don't see why you wouldn't reform a bit to protect victims blocked me lol https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/rape-statistics-by-country South Korea (SK) has a higher prevalence of workplace and sexual harassment than many other developed nations, with reported rates frequently surpassing 20-50% in domestic surveys. By comparison, global studies estimate that 21% of people worldwide experience workplace violence a…
/r/MensRights02/06/26 08:16 PM
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idk, ask SK policy makers, they deemed the number of reports relevant enough to make a harmless alteration
/r/MensRights02/06/26 08:10 PM
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Great stance if we choose to take info at a surface level
/r/MensRights02/06/26 08:10 PM
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Depends how the laws define it. Better definitions and more progressive attitudes = more reports and better justice system. Even despite this: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/rape-statistics-by-country South Korea (SK) has a higher prevalence of workplace and sexual harassment than many other developed nations, with reported rates frequently surpassing 20-50% in domestic surveys. By comparison, global studies estimate that 21% of people worldwide experience workplace violence …
/r/MensRights02/06/26 08:06 PM
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https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9915142/ They've not got the peachiest of reputations, as well as the culture typically covering that type of thing up, same with Japan. Physical assualts pretty on par with other OECD's.
/r/MensRights02/06/26 05:11 PM
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It's discrimination when a measure to try to alleviate a unique problem specific demographics may disproportionately experience, adversely impacts on other demographics: How does is disadvantage men? The policy addresses harassment, something men don't face as much on public transport. If men had a systematic problem they should receive support for it too. There has to be a need. It would not be discriminatory for Korea to put on more services for women-only if its offset by providing equal men-…
/r/MensRights02/06/26 03:48 PM
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The moment you mentioned “patriarchal norms,” you lost all credibility. I was explaining the concept from a sociological perspective. male dominance was me trying to refer to those hardline rigid traditionalist (often sexist / gender essentialist) gender stereotype which are especially dominant in East Asian cultures. You can't compare a measure to help a disproportionately disadvantaged demographic, like an educational support plan, with a misandrist segregation measure that views men as a thre…
/r/MensRights02/06/26 03:44 PM
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Let's nip this in the bud There is no good evidence that the way someone dresses causes or justifies sexual assault. Sexual assault is primarily driven by offenders' choices, opportunity, power, coercion, and social factors—not by a victim's clothing. However, clothing can affect how observers judge a victim afterward, leading to victim-blaming in some studies https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9914422/ You're pedalling a rape myth, you're slut shaming victims of sexual assault and rationa…
/r/MensRights02/06/26 03:22 PM
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ok. They don't experience menstrual akin stressors whilst working though which is the point
/r/MensRights01/06/26 07:32 PM
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So your next suggestion will be about bringing race segregation too because certain race do too much crimes? Race and gender are two pretty difference constructs. I'm not sure I'm dim enough to pretend like perfect parallels can be drawn between them. Especially when the topic at hand is based around women being disproportionately harassed which from SK's stance seems to be gender based. Why do you think gender based policies inform or can directly correlate with racial segregation?
/r/MensRights01/06/26 06:38 PM
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Should men retire earlier because some women have crippling menstrual cramps and get an extra day off a month? I'm not sure I see the underlying health reason which would warrant earlier retirement.
/r/MensRights01/06/26 05:36 PM
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Why, Men don't have periods, the word of the day should be equity
/r/MensRights01/06/26 05:04 PM
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Upskirting can only be a problem if women's skirts are above the knee ... However, then women would complain they are being directed in what to wear, when they should be allowed to wear whatever they like, even though it makes them more vulnerable to upskirting; so instead they require cameras make a shutter sound. What... This is like saying women and children are asking for it unless they wear long skirts. You're fucking disgusting. People should be able to wear an outfit without being sexuall…
/r/MensRights01/06/26 04:48 PM
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But there is less of a need. It's a question of proportionality. And again it needs to be approached with an understanding of equity. Blind equality isn't useful in the real world where things are slightly more complicated than ppl like op let on South Korean authorities said the service was aimed especially at women working night shifts or returning home after dark, when concerns about harassment, assault, or feeling unsafe on public transportation tend to be higher. https://www.cna.al/english/…
/r/MensRights01/06/26 04:41 PM
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But this is more a discussion about equity. Women are disproportionately harassed, especially on public transport, therefore policies get put forward to try and help try to tackle that specific problem Is it discrimination for children with SEN to get accomodations, funding and additional support whilst not providing the same resources to Gen ed kids? It's it discrimination for policies to target and assist say homeless people getting off the street with welfare benefits and social housing? Is i…
/r/MensRights01/06/26 04:38 PM
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... you would realize that there isn't much difference between exclusive spaces for women and exclusive spaces for whites There's a distinction you're ignoring. Women are simply at higher risk of sexual harassment, this measure was in response to reports of harassment and attempts to remedy that problem by providing a handful of additional busses. The problem is that men are actually a vulnerable group, but for politicians, men are seen as a privileged group. But we're talking specifically about…
/r/MensRights01/06/26 03:59 PM
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I'm sure there are government policies out that that target specific demographics, not sure if call it discrimination though since the areas being targeted are typically something that those certain demographic struggles with disproportionately Single parents get additional benefits, homeless people can get temporary housing etc. Is this discrimination?
/r/MensRights01/06/26 03:46 PM
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These are additional services across a handful of routes to help women avoid sexual harassment It's not taking a service away from men. Ifen in SK were getting harassed at the similar rate by women I'd say men would be entitled to them too
/r/MensRights01/06/26 02:45 PM
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do you always try and conflate racial issues with gender ones? It doesn't make for a very good argument racial supremacy and harassment countermeasures are not as comparable as you're pretending they are. It helps to understand context / rational rather that leaning on some surface level gotcha!
/r/MensRights01/06/26 02:42 PM
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So it's a response to security concerns raised by female commuters and an effort to make nighttime public transport more accessible and secure. Too many women were getting harassed by men in Korea, so some cities launched women-only night bus services on a few selected routes https://www.untvnews.com/news/south-korea-has-launched-a-women-only-night-bus-in-selected-areas Wouldn't have happened if ther wasn't so much harassment
/r/MensRights01/06/26 10:15 AM
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Well yeah, because Japan has a deep and profound culture of molestation, especially on public transport. This is the country that mandated phone cameras to make a shutter noise because too many blokes were upskirting. It's not a surprise.
/r/MensRights01/06/26 10:11 AM
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Watch them find a way to say the same about somewhere like Afghanistan
/r/MensRights25/05/26 04:26 PM
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So what were you implying then? Might just be a bad translation.
/r/MensRights25/05/26 04:01 PM
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Which is why you ignore examples which prove you wrong? And like, common sense. A country that decriminalized Domestic violence isn't going to be a utopia for women now is it lol. It's just this weird obsession with feeling like you must be more oppressed, I don't get it, we don't need the humiliation ritual. It's not difficult to accept that hardline traditionalist gender roles harm men and women in varied / unique ways.
/r/MensRights25/05/26 03:48 PM
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Yes you did You essentially stated it's not a big deal to register 13 year olds as juvenile offenders gor LGBT propaganda because you personally feel that gay people's existence is a threat to masculinity Homophobia is still misandry, your personal emotions concerning gay ppl don't change that.
/r/MensRights25/05/26 10:18 AM
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and we come full circle, you clearly don't know anything about Russia. Plenty of reasons I explained which you're just choosing to ignore at this point.
/r/MensRights25/05/26 07:47 AM
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Is It not controlling and coercive to strictly enforce very specific gender stereotpes rather than letting people explore their identities freely and love who they want to love? Mens rights extends to all men, it makes sense to speak on criticisms of an evidently sexist culture
/r/MensRights24/05/26 07:30 PM
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Yes, same way gay men have a right to exist Do you disagree with gay mens rights? Do you only care about men you personally identify with?
/r/MensRights24/05/26 10:44 AM
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It is wrong when any sort of deviance results in being jailed
/r/MensRights24/05/26 10:38 AM
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why are you in a men's right sub if you oppose mens rights?
/r/MensRights24/05/26 10:37 AM
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Hahahahhahaha It is a female supremacist country Again, you are hilariously clueless about Russia
/r/MensRights24/05/26 08:00 AM
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It's a traditionalist shit hole where backwards gender stereotypes work overtime to oppress women """""and men"""""
/r/MensRights24/05/26 08:00 AM
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The symbol bans and "gay propaganda laws" apply to all LGBT identities And of all the countries to choose to make this point he chose fucking Russia. A country where domestic violence is decriminalized, sexual assault is borderline systematic / insanely difficult to pursue, Stalking isn't punished, where women are forced to get psychological counselling for living child-free lifestyles, where women are banned from having certain jobs. It's a traditionalist shit hole where backwards gender stereo…
/r/MensRights23/05/26 07:26 PM
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Doesn't seem you know much about Russia
/r/MensRights23/05/26 07:32 AM
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The most obvious answer would be to have the child stay with the parent who can afford them. Which would possibly go against not only the desires of the child but also the adult. The children already suffer due to decisions of a parent that's the entire point of the post lol. Yes, you do the best to mitigate that, i.e. child support that goes into supporting basic necessities rather than solely education. Some ppl I'm sure abuse it, same way 40% odd of parents don't fully comply with child suppo…
/r/MensRights15/05/26 04:51 PM
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The average child support payment amount is a little over $400 a month When couples divorce, especially on financially unequal ground, you'd risk the child essentially ending up living in poverty 50% of the time. Parents have a shared responsibility and that extends to their relative financial share. It should be equitable.
/r/MensRights15/05/26 03:48 PM
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Your are never at home taking care of a child full-time for 18 years. There are also tons and tons of work from home jobs now and online education. Not to mention I never said one parent full-time and the other parent 0 parenting time. Sure, it's still a strain for most people. 50/50 care significantly reduces child support payments and payments so this weakness your point. Shifting focus away from the child? By saying the money should be spent soley on them instead of it being wasted? Spending …
/r/MensRights14/05/26 04:45 PM
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If a child was stuck in poverty because one parent can't afford them maybe they are not fit to have them in the first place. So what should happen? Should poorer people not be allowed children? Better yet should the child suffer over the decisions of their parents? If they were stuck in poverty I guess the person that would have received child support would have to put some effort into getting a better job or more education. All of which are tricky when caring for a child. And again, it's punish…
/r/MensRights14/05/26 04:42 PM
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Or it encourages the person who would have got child support to Persue that better job or go back to school. all of which can be rather difficult if you're taking care of a child alone full time. It's simply not the most realistic stance, especially for ppl with less qcademic qualifications Ya know how they don't don't feed while life because they become dependent on it? Yeah. Why would anyone go for the harder thing when they can sit on their ass and have money handed to them. You're shifting f…
/r/MensRights14/05/26 02:56 PM
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Which mainly involved warm interaction, emotional availability, regular shared activities, and time spent alone together. Not something a "shitty father" would provide like you implied. It shows the obvious in that consistent, emotionally engaged caregiving strongly supports empathy development in children. it was very influential and later modern studies have helped establish the general sentiment that the quality of caregivers is the root element in developing empathy, moreso than traditional …
/r/MensRights13/05/26 07:32 PM
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Poverty is a mental state and personality disorder. is it now lol People have had kids long before money existed. sure, 50% died before puberty though, modern society has standards The people consistently voted the happiest on the planet are an Amazonian hunter gatherer tribe. Which by this mental state of "poverty" they are the poorest people on the planet. Do you think this comparison is particularly useful for a discussion surrounding welfare? Using an extremely niche example with no useful p…
/r/MensRights13/05/26 07:22 PM
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Good mention, this also plays into the poverty angle as single parents are much more likely to struggle. doesn't do much to defend ops point tho. Are you suggesting men need to step up more and parent children they may not want?
/r/MensRights13/05/26 07:00 PM
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And the solution would be to punish the child?
/r/MensRights13/05/26 10:35 AM
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This is simply advocating for children to be stuck in poverty. That'll significantly damage their educational outcomes on its own.
/r/MensRights13/05/26 10:30 AM
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The writer getting the stupidest person on the show advocating for something like this isn't the win you think it is
/r/MensRights12/05/26 11:09 AM
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So you just actually don't know what the word means?
/r/MensRights12/05/26 11:07 AM
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It's called accurately quantifying information rather than inflating numbers to fear monger. When you resort to blanket terms without explanation of nuance you get hysteria / over generalisations. There is somwthing beyond feeling. People aren't convicted of rape over feelings, it's a tad more complex than that
/r/MensRights05/05/26 03:19 PM
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Nah, they're 2 different metrics given you didn't quite manage it I'll explain that false accusations for most crimes are very consistently around the 5-10% mark. If we suddenly see proven false rape accusations rise then I'd take your stance seriously. Otherwise it simply boils down to hysteria mixed with general distain of victims and dismissal of coersion as a tool of rapists. It's not a good look, especially on a sub that rightfully has such a focus on male victims of rape / coersive sex.
/r/MensRights04/05/26 12:05 PM
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You should ask OP that, it was their example. It's up to the court to decide. Do you think this provides accusers more tools for false accusations? Would you be able to compare false rape accusations to other similar crimes and then get back to me? It might enlighten you to the reality of crime and the nature of accusations in general
/r/MensRights03/05/26 10:01 PM
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I'm more inclined to believe the FBI's reported statistics over some random guy on Reddit who says they aren't true just because he doesn't like the way it makes him feel. I explained it, still averages around 5% confirmed malicious. Was just a comment given it brings your assumption down from "1 in 10" to 1 in 20. The nuance is important. How can you accurately make claims about the number of unreported sexual assults? You can't, It'll never be 100% accurate given it's not something you can per…
/r/MensRights03/05/26 08:09 PM
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The 8% unfounded stat includes instances where police didn’t find enough evidence to proceed or the case didn’t meet legal criteria. That category can include real assaults that are hard to prove. Then going on and jumping to 15% is just silly. Sexual assault is already one of the most underreported crimes. Many victims fear not being believed or being punished if their case can’t be proven. If the penalty for a report that can’t be substantiated is extremely severe, then victims are even less l…
/r/MensRights03/05/26 04:16 PM
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You said right in the first reply that you don't think it's a great idea, akin to bug bombs Gender was introduced by OP, and fed into by you suggesting the laws essentially don't apply to men because... and that women will abuse it because... You've made half a point and are now just stuck in this subs echo chamber What's the point of replying? The new law protects rape victims and you've spun it into something to feed some victim complex.
/r/MensRights03/05/26 02:08 PM
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Do you simply not think these laws apply to men? Your replies imply you see it as open to abuse by women. Yet this type of law is exactly the thing needed to progress the backwards sexual assault perceptions that hurt men and women. It's criticising something, but In the very next sentence feeding into it. Men should rightfully be believed and acknowledged, but then using that as an excuse to essentially rag on women and devalue rape accusations. Not everything has to be a push and pull, take a …
/r/MensRights03/05/26 01:40 PM
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"regularly" does some heavy lifting here. And the law convicts a tiny fraction of people, a better argument would be how the social power is weaponized. But ultimately what do you propose? Do we go backwards to laws and legalise certain types of rape simply because the odd person makes a false claim? Every single law has the potential to be abused, that doesn't mean we get rid of those laws entirely.
/r/MensRights03/05/26 12:44 PM
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Yes, people can and have made false rape accusations Is that good rationale for taking a step backwards concerning sexual contact as not requiring ongoing consent? What do you propose instead?
/r/MensRights03/05/26 09:39 AM
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All the more reason to support these adaptions to consent laws to properly protect victims no? Clearly more progress needs to be made next towards women abusing the child support system to extort male rape victims.
/r/MensRights03/05/26 09:33 AM
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legal mistakes, same way ppl falsely go to prison for murder Conviction rate for Sa / Rape is also astronomically low, this seems like hysteria bottom line is victims of coercion now have a legal angle to get justice. Opposing it is very simply stripping the rights and protection of SA victims.
/r/MensRights03/05/26 07:54 AM
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coersion isn't just in the head though. OP's quote is a perfect example of an abusive woman coercing a husband into having sex, that's very real and very quantifiable. If it was in the head it wouldn't be prosecutable. And now, under this reevaluation of how SA is perceived, the woman in this scenario is more likely to be punished for her crime. IDK why you're so hell bent on protecting alleged rapists and trying to stop away the legal protections for victims of SA Do you think coercion should b…
/r/MensRights03/05/26 07:52 AM
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Let's take your situation, the man says no. Now what happens? Can the woman file a sexual assault/rape case? Would she? If she did how far do you genuinely think that would go? A situation where clearly the guy is a victim of coercion and the accuser has no evidence. The courts are required to be "sure", to have evidence beyond reasonable doubt of assault. a he said she said isn't enough for a conviction legally speaking As well as the reputational, financial and if they have children the loss o…
/r/MensRights02/05/26 08:58 PM
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No, the article just says there cannot be any coercion Adopt a "Yes means yes” legal standard for consent while recognizing that a “yes” obtained through coercion is not valid.
/r/MensRights02/05/26 01:13 PM
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Surprised this wasn't already the case, I knew rape laws were behind but it's still odd to see. a “yes” obtained through coercion is not valid. I'm not sure what you're trying to convey with that argument op. You'd simply demonstrate that someone was forcing or intimidating another to act against their will through threats of violence, reprisal, or other pressure. Have sex with me or I'll break up with you / have sex or I'll divorce you is textbook coercive control so the married man would be pr…
/r/MensRights02/05/26 01:11 PM
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You'd have to be able to prove without reasonable doubt that a sexual assault took place to though. The law was simply extended to a make sure the “yes” was obtained without coersion.
/r/MensRights02/05/26 01:08 PM
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yup
/r/MensRights23/04/26 08:07 PM
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Duh
/r/MensRights23/04/26 07:54 PM
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As in the contextual nuances are what shapes wider perceptions race mixing used to be frowned upon due to racism, same-sex due to homophobia 60 year olds dating 18 year olds? Doesn't quite have the same baggage. Do you disagree?
/r/MensRights23/04/26 07:54 PM
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Nah I meant where you claimed "it's exactly the same", I fudged up the quote. Because obviously no, it isn't exactly the same. No. It's because people have normalized that its ok to judge age gap couples but not ok to judge black/women couples. Right, what do you think happens historically / contextually that has influenced this shift. Why do you think the rate and wider social perceptions differ depending on race, sexuality, age gaps? What aspects of those relationships is different. I just sho…
/r/MensRights23/04/26 07:51 PM
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A black man/white woman relationship could mean, he doesn't value the woman for the individual he's dating, but more her race. But it isnt. This is such black and white thinking beyond reason. This was supposed to be an "oh right" moment where you realize historical context / implications etc between the two are different. Which explains why the social / cultural perception treats the two dynamics uniquely.
/r/MensRights23/04/26 07:36 PM
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is it? Yes. I'm sure there's plenty of black men/white women and white men/Asian women couple that got together exactly due to the stereotype associated with them. But there's plenty more that didn't So? And IMHO, that's no different than with age gap couples. Why? It's just so surface level, why did I even bother mentioning context etc etc if it's ignored?
/r/MensRights23/04/26 07:30 PM
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It's not ok to bash on men/men or women/women relationships nowadays which is why it DOESN'T happen. It was before. Which is why people used to be more vocal about it then. A really easy way to question these false equivalences is to ask why it is/was viewed negatively, and then to ask what changed. The shift towards accepting interracial couples and same-sex couples is different. They had unique implications, rationales, context, cultural influence and so on. Same way the acceptance towards 18 …
/r/MensRights23/04/26 07:16 PM
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Should've made a better argument than comparing apples to oranges. Then you'd have avoided these oh so painful insults.
/r/MensRights23/04/26 07:11 PM
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Do i agree that it's gross / creepy? Yeah It's kinda a numbers game thing, I'm sure there are examples where true love flourished between a teenager and a 60 year old, but why should I think that's something to expect? Historically / in media I can see how these dynamics are often shallow, transactional, sometimes even predatory. Contextually it's a 60 year old and an 18 year old. That's vast, almost ridiculous. What do really they have in common, what is being valued in the relationship, life e…
/r/MensRights23/04/26 07:09 PM
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Is a black man wanting to date white women the same contextually, implication wise, conceptually, historically, morally? Does that surface level false parallel just fall apart exactly like when op tried to use it? Again, they're allowed to do it, but given the unique dynamic of a 60 x 18 year old, it comes with its own unique outward perceptions.
/r/MensRights23/04/26 07:03 PM
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I don't have time to waste on this Then don't post on reddit complaining that ppl judged you for wanting to date teenagers of all you wanted was blind validation. Shame, I was enjoying laughing at how ridiculous your false equivalences were. For the sake of others I suppose Again. You're avoiding questions that make you uncomfortable and that would change your position. "Those are all different types of preferences with different implications / perceptions etc." this answers the question. Contex…
/r/MensRights23/04/26 07:00 PM
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you can have a great reason, still won't stop people finding it creepy or odd
/r/MensRights23/04/26 06:48 PM
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Tame choices It's an opinion, people are allowed to have opinions about a 60 year old pursuing 18 year olds. If that's a preference someone has they should accept that judgement will come along with it. Because it will appear odd to the majority of people who date people vaguely close to their own age.
/r/MensRights23/04/26 06:47 PM
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Yeah by why, what do they like about each other Sure, but it doesn't make them incorrect either, it's a very expected assumption for people to draw. Why is op shocked or upset that people take that common sense approach to it? If a 18 year olds sees the value a 60 year old has in status and lifestyle then she can go for it, if a 60 year old sees value in having a 18 year old hanging off their arm sure, go ahead. If they both getting value / consensually engaging together they're allowed. It's no…
/r/MensRights23/04/26 06:30 PM
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What about race, or religious affiliation? I brought those up before but you ignored them. I don't get why you're desperate for some kind of parallel, those are all different types of preferences with different implications / perceptions etc. If I have a preference for asian woman, or latina woman, you're saying you have the right to tell my wife that our relationship is invalid? Why are we trying to pull a victim card now? I'm saying people are allowed to judge a 40 year old bloke who has a pre…
/r/MensRights23/04/26 06:28 PM
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Being gay isn't a preference, it's a sexual orientation, so I struggle to take that parralel seriously. It's a poor comparison to an age preference. If they're the same age I don't see a problem The topic is nuanced and again its legal, but regardless that type of preference of a 40 year old pursuing teenagers is still rightfully going to be viewed as creepy. I.e. what are the intentions, whats informing that preference. It's an assumption people make based on perceptions of such an age gap and …
/r/MensRights23/04/26 06:03 PM
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Why does a 40 year old want to date an 18 year old? It's legal, but obviously people will view it as creepy, why do you think this shouldn't be expected? Having a preference doesn't mean you're excused from well-founded judgement
/r/MensRights23/04/26 05:24 PM
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Is it not common sense to understand that men and women have unique positive and negative experiences within society as a result of their gender identity? It's not an oppression Olympics, you don't get to disregard the issues one gender encounters simply because the other gender experiences unique difficulties too.
/r/MensRights22/04/26 03:11 PM
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Their angle usually boils down to immigrants being sex pests and women as the primary helpless victims. They then simultaneously want to strip apart abortion rights and reinforce traditional Christian values so it's all a bit confused
/r/MensRights16/04/26 12:27 PM
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Learn what OCD is please
/r/MensRights14/04/26 10:11 PM
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We'll try again Explain the general behaviors exhibited by those with P-OCD give a specific example
/r/MensRights14/04/26 08:58 PM
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Next step, do the same for the general behaviors exhibited by those with P-OCD, preferably relying on studies to inform it
/r/MensRights14/04/26 08:48 PM
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Okay, now give some examples of these behavioral compulsions in ppl with OCD I'll wait
/r/MensRights14/04/26 08:23 PM
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I'll do it for you I guess The Survival Signal Theory (Hames et al., 2012) https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22119089/#:~:text=An%20urge%20to%20jump%20affirms,of%20the%20high%20place%20phenomenon https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7525079/#:~:text=The%20high%20place%20phenomenon%20was,phenomenon%20in%20the%20patient%20sample. https://science.howstuffworks.com/life/inside-the-mind/human-brain/call-of-the-void.htm#:~:text=of%20such%20actions.-,The%20Science%20Behind%20the%20Call%20of%20the%20V…
/r/MensRights14/04/26 08:02 PM
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No it doesn't? Did you read the study?
/r/MensRights14/04/26 07:59 PM
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"The call of the void" is the general concept, you can go from there
/r/MensRights14/04/26 07:31 PM
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It's amazing how little you understand OCD and how it effects behaviour The more distressed someone is by their compulsive thoughts, the less likely they are to act on them. OCD is rife with avoidant behaviors, yet here you are deluding yourself into thinking OCD compulsions cause these behaviours it's so fantastically illiterate
/r/MensRights14/04/26 07:31 PM
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Let me pop your bubble. Men are just as much raped by women as women by men. The only thing that hides this stats is how rape by women and rape by men are reported in stats. What bubble was popped lol, rape is rampant and chronically underreported. OP implying that half of all rape claims are false is at odds with this. You should be popping his bubble not mine. Most of the major studies on sexual violence are designed to measure female victimization and male perpetration. Male victims and femal…
/r/MensRights08/04/26 12:28 PM
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"Cases ended as FR Non Cognizable" - Confirmed Malicious "Cases ended as Final Report False" - Confirmed Malicious A case ending as final report "non Cognizable* does not mean it was intentionally malicious, you missed this category. And Final Report False does not confirm "malicious" intent from your data set. When you approach "Malicious Intent" at a courts level, you get the 3-8% numbers consistent across the world. You're combining two different legal stages with vastly different validities …
/r/MensRights08/04/26 12:14 PM
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Imma be honest I looked at it late at night and a lot of the points are me getting confused with other replies. I'll try distinguish what I fucked up with and what is the core point which is a valid criticism of op. On a similar note, conviction is not the same as conclusively proven to be true. These follow the principle of "More likely than not". This underestimates how much evidence is required for a rape conviction. "More likely than not" is still very damning evidence. The coin flip is not …
/r/MensRights08/04/26 10:49 AM
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I'll put some more effort into it Your data conflates “false” with “not proven” in order to inflate rates. You didn't choose to clearly define what qualified as a "false case". You left it too ambiguous. This is the main issue, your "proven malicious" part of the pie chart is grossly disingenuous and not properly defined. It includes cases closed due to lack of evidence, cases where the complaint was withdrawn, and cases affected by pressure, settlement, or intimidation. The methodology also rel…
/r/MensRights08/04/26 10:11 AM
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"Proven false" is not the same as cases conclusively proven to be impossible or fabricated. Again, same issue op had, it includes Mistake of fact, Mistake of law, Insufficient evidence at the police stage and Relationship disputes (promise-to-marry cases) Even if we ignore acquittals and pending cases, that doesn’t make them irrelevant, yet op is using them to make much more broad generalisations . Within that slice the numbers look similar but that doesn't imply that false accusations are as co…
/r/MensRights07/04/26 11:45 PM
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A large share stay pending, "False cases” are decided by police during investigation though, convictions happen later in court. saying those two rates are “similar” isn’t an reasonable comparison. And you have the same problem op had, acquittal or pending cases don’t automatically mean the allegation was false (as op decided to suggest in their graph. they just mean it wasn’t proven in court, which can happen for many reasons like lack of evidence or delays. There's a lot of data in limbo or oth…
/r/MensRights07/04/26 11:23 PM
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I'm saying your estimation is false because it's based on an intentionally and misleading interpretation of data rather than being something based on trends / evidence. The NFHS survey's estimate of approx 74% of sexual violence on women being unreported in India is also an estimate based on a sample population that only makes up <1% of female population of India in relevant age groups. Yes, that's a sample of 724,000 women, 115,000 odd for specifically domestic / sexual violence. If you're awar…
/r/MensRights07/04/26 09:27 PM
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I read it, the metholdolgy is bad and deeply unscientific Final Report False: Filed after confirming false report This is the 3-8% you should have framed as red That being said, the 3-8% involves scenarios where the case didn't hold up, not that the case was "proven malicious". So even presenting that as a dark red is grossly disingenuous. Final Report Non-Cognizable: This means a case was filed in the wrong legal section or a minor issue misreported. This doesn't mean anyone lied, or indicates …
/r/MensRights07/04/26 07:14 PM
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You deserved a jab after that original response, let's not pretend either of us have any moral high ground here Oh, they and say I have no evidence... after I link them the evidence multiple times.. provide specific stats explaining that evidence and how it proves them wrong, and then they block me. What a loser lol
/r/MensRights07/04/26 07:02 PM
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It's an consistent estimate across the world, I'm sure it's worse in India https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/natureofsexualassaultbyrapeorpenetrationenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2025 The types of barriers in reporting are pretty well established https://rapecrisis.org.uk/get-informed/statistics-sexual-violence/ 5 in 6 women, 7 in 8 men
/r/MensRights07/04/26 06:26 PM
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oh what, you're doubling down? https://www.ncrb.gov.in/uploads/files/1CrimeinIndia2023PartI1.pdf Quite literally 1 click from the link I sent you under "Reference URL of Resource:" I assumed you'd manage. It's a bit trickier if you don't accept the official government NCBR pdf document but... https://data.gov.in/ Search "Crime in India 2023 NCRB” or whatever year and inform yourself - Volume I --> Crimes Against Women I hate to say it but government data tends to be on pdf's. I'm not sure what y…
/r/MensRights07/04/26 06:16 PM
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It's a government source lol Do a better job fact checking next time, takes minutes to see op is a liar. This kind of willfully ignorance and inability to admit fault / ignorance is lame.
/r/MensRights07/04/26 05:44 PM
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So tell me what it says, then compare it to the data op is supposedly citing https://delhi.data.gov.in/resource/stateut-wise-cases-registered-under-rape-section-wise-during-2023 Then let me know how that helps you in correctly identifying whats wrong with op's pie charts, and why it's silly to fall for it be informed, not blind
/r/MensRights07/04/26 05:35 PM
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moreso believe women 92%+ of the time based on the data. OP's framing is bizarre, don't fall for it. Edit: Bar is on the fucking floor, stop falling for such obviously shitty data, it's such an embarrassment to the sub. https://delhi.data.gov.in/resource/stateut-wise-cases-registered-under-rape-section-wise-during-2023 According to National Crime Records Bureau (NCRB) data, approximately 8% of reported rape cases in India are classified as "false" or "mistaken." "False" cases often include cases…
/r/MensRights07/04/26 03:21 PM
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Christ what disingenuous / straight up false framing from those dogshite pie graphs. you've labelled the entire dark red part as proven malicious when that isn't true The NCRB data (which you've supposedly drawn from) shows that less than 8 percent of rape cases under investigation in 2020 were found to be """false"""". A total of 38,947 rape cases were filed that year. This 3-8% rate is consistent across the years. Something very important you decided to essentially lie about is that this 8% sl…
/r/MensRights07/04/26 03:06 PM
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But it does question whether or not divorce should be legal and whether infidelity should be a crime. Why does someone having sexual agency / respecting consent question wether divorce should be legal or infidelity ctiminalised?
/r/MensRights01/04/26 07:30 PM
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if they don't amend then that's not actually intersectionality
/r/MensRights16/03/26 10:45 PM
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That is not what intersectionality means at all https://www.ncl.ac.uk/research/culture/edi-toolkit/intersectionality/ It's essentially how identity overlaps with unique and distinct disadvantages / advantages within society
/r/MensRights16/03/26 04:17 PM
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The same Steven Bartlett who promotes incel ideology? missed that controvercy, the others then. No they are made up concepts to attack and pathologize one sex. There is nothing factual about them. They're observable behavioural trends. Any time spent in the manosphere spaces demonstrates that clearly. It's a label which is slapped onto traditionally masculine behaviours which don't strike the balance I mentioned in the reply. Do you have anything to say except this feminist drivel that has no fo…
/r/MensRights15/03/26 02:46 PM
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Steven Bartlett, Roman Kemp, Lewis Hamilton, Lebron, David Attenborough, Keanu Reeves When I asked what male behavior has not been made into a pejorative, I.e. a manspreading, mansplaining, manbaby, male fragility, average white man etc I got no response. These are not inherently masculine behaviours, they're examples of emotional immaturity or entitlement that are applied to how people interpret gender stereotype in a way that harms the people around them. So I didn't see the reasons to respond…
/r/MensRights15/03/26 02:19 PM
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Why, it's a shite analysis where you cherry picked the examples just to genuinely criticize one and give a flimsy opinion on the other
/r/MensRights14/03/26 03:09 PM
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What kind of analysis is that? The great thing about role models is you can pick and choose aspects of them to admire, that's why I made a list and not just 2 people Steve Irwin was a conservationist, environmentalist and zookeeper, it's his job to educate and interact with wild animals. He was briefly criticised in 2004 for for doing it.
/r/MensRights14/03/26 11:34 AM
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Lits the ones that are and we can talk about how these manosphere men represent a harmful / bastardised performance of healthy traits Harmful and outdated based on what? Have you seen these manosphere men?
/r/MensRights14/03/26 11:29 AM
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Steven Bartlett, Roman Kemp, Lewis Hamilton, Lebron, David Attenborough, Keanu Reeves They're everywhere, and all examples of Responsibility, Self-discipline, Courage, Protectiveness, Humility, Emotional stability.
/r/MensRights10/03/26 02:30 PM
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What's the problem? These are timeless positive male role models no?
/r/MensRights10/03/26 02:18 PM
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Christ was that also requirement? They asked for some male role models I provided Do you want me to think of some alive real ones? Will that finally be enough for you? Or can we comprehend how the certain traits of these characters are positive examples of the performance that is masculinity compared with say, HStikkytokky
/r/MensRights10/03/26 12:15 PM
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Was I asked to name names? I think Mr Rogers, Steve Irwin, Captain Picard, Aragon, Bob Ross, Robin Williams, Uncle Iroh etc It's really not hard to think of truly positive healthy male role models
/r/MensRights10/03/26 10:13 AM
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What we are seeing is a very common tactic of letting the opposition decide who your frontmen are. I expanded on this But the reason I asked is because with so much of men, masculinity and male behavior being criticized by media and social media in the last few decades there really aren't any left. And then I explained how when the media criticizes them, people start trying to lump harmless / healthy masculinity alongside these types, acting as if by criticizing them, masculinity as a whole is b…
/r/MensRights10/03/26 12:49 AM
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no, it's letting the extremely widespread and dominant social media personalities represent manhood. Yet weirdly I see many people defending these types in the comments which is extremely confusing. All it takes is for men to unite in disregarding these hyper-stereotyped losers yet ppl seem so unwilling to tolerate criticism. It's no wonder they're so popular when even men who supposedly should be against these forms of performative masculinity still try to shut down any sort criticism. If we do…
/r/MensRights10/03/26 12:27 AM
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Then why do they not specifically write about the specific things they preach, why is it always “masculinity”? It's pretty clearly about the manosphere which in of itself is an outdated and shallow perversion of masculinity Like the entire thing is such painful feminist pandering and fear mongering towards young boy, there is no way you can read that and not realize it. Idk, this just comes across as feeding a victim complex. Unless you identify with these losers none of the types of sweeping cr…
/r/MensRights10/03/26 12:16 AM
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After removing things like emotional suppression, dominance, entitlement, aggression, you get left with mentorship and fatherhood roles, protective responsibility, courage, Brotherhood. These obviously aren't biologically limited to men but they're historical archetypes for masculinity, which is generally what cultures base masculinity off of. It's about socialised tendencies and norms. Lord of the rings? Aragorn shows many traits such as humility, courage and service. I see lots of clips of Ted…
/r/MensRights10/03/26 12:09 AM
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I read it, he speaks about how unavoidable these influencers are, and how mainstream this type of manosphere misogyny fuelled content is. It's not that masculinity is bad clearly, it's the type of "masculinity" these creators pursue which is the issue. Idk why this distinction is so tricky to comprehend given you clearly understand it. Those bunch of troglodytes that he will interview have barely any followers compared to wider male population And here, you agree these men are disgusting and don…
/r/MensRights09/03/26 10:10 PM
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As far as I'm aware it's certainly not Harrison Sullivan (aka HSTikkyTokky), Myron Gaines, Nicolas Kenn De Balinthazy (aka Sneako), Justin Waller and Ed Matthews. I think of fathers, teachers, friends, uncles etc. Not ragebait influenecers who feed off of insecurity and anger do you disagree?
/r/MensRights09/03/26 10:00 PM
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However, hating the guy is absolutely necessary. What he is doing is literally textbook feminist behavior, point to fringe or non existent thing and then use it to leverage more discrimination against every men How does criticising the worst most damaging male voices amongst us damage every man? Unless you associate with these types of harmful stereotypes it's not a problem It is extremely apparent he is just going use those handful of stupid dudes online to make very broad statements against me…
/r/MensRights09/03/26 09:01 PM
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no, the comment above is attempting to emasculate Lous Theroux. If you want to defend these manosphere men you're not representing this subs values. What makes Louis feminine here? That he's lanky? That he's criticizing harmful sexist manosphere content? or something else? I don't understand how criticising the personifications of harmful male stereotypes is remotely effeminate
/r/MensRights09/03/26 07:54 PM
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Why is it necessary to try to emasculate men who try and address or confront harmful stereotypes that ppl like these guys perpetuate?
/r/MensRights09/03/26 07:17 PM
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HSTikkyTokky), Myron Gaines, Nicolas Kenn De Balinthazy (aka Sneako), Justin Waller and Ed Matthews. These men are not empowering boys, they are the absolute bane of healthy masculinity
/r/MensRights09/03/26 07:01 PM
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Based on the sample of 135 men and 301 women: Pedophilic arousal involved 3 male participants, and 4 female participants. And for engagement, this involved 1 male, and 2 females The results are utterly useless for what op's trying to suggest, they actually """prove""" them wrong if we play along with percentage ratios
/r/MensRights26/02/26 11:49 AM
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This is a sample of 449 people, it's questionnaire based, it's a study around sexual fantasies. Not a study comparing gender precelance of pedophilic / hebophillic tendencies https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00224499.2024.2319242 The authors make specific note that the differences between men and women weren't statistically significant, why ignore them? You need to be WAY more careful when interpreting these papers the way you are. This study is about 300* women and 135 odd men. The …
/r/MensRights26/02/26 11:44 AM
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I agree to an extent, socially / morally it's clearly rape but to me it seems they make a distinction because the two have different victim variables / effects / implications making a legal distinction helpful in some situations E.g. MTP victims may have greater odds of reporting a wider variety of chronic health conditions Men forced to penetrate women often face unique emotional harm rooted in societal myths about masculinity which this sub is all too as ware of with rapey female teachers. MTP…
/r/MensRights26/02/26 10:58 AM
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Go on Google "CDC", then try your best to find the data on "sexual assault", and then swallow your pride and tell me what you see!
/r/MensRights26/02/26 01:50 AM
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It is an interesting stat and I'd honestly not heard it much before, I'd still be sceptical blurring the line between them given they are categorised differently but it's definitely enlightening I would still say these stats are being generalized based on a niche, and when we look at wider stats by the CDC it tells us the broader reality Women raped: ~19% Men raped (penetrated): ~1–2% Men “made to penetrate”: ~5–6% https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss6308a1.htm We are as you admit pickin…
/r/MensRights26/02/26 01:47 AM
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Really? The CDC says otherwise for rape: https://stacks.cdc.gov/view/cdc/46305 This one found that women are much more likely to be victims of rape Men are more likely than women to experience “made to penetrate For rape of men (penetration of the victim), the perpetrators are mostly male. And for “made to penetrate”, perpetrators are mostly female (about 78.5% female-only perpetrators). It demonstrates that men commit the majority of sexual violence overall (because most victims are women and t…
/r/MensRights25/02/26 10:27 PM
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we already have mountains of data that established men as the primary sex offenders by a vast margin
/r/MensRights25/02/26 09:36 PM
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They've just found stats from an excruciatingly specific niche consisting of a sample which is vastly dominated by women, and then making some confusing generalisation like the one on this posts title
/r/MensRights25/02/26 09:35 PM
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how'd you manage to get that from what I said? It's almost impressive
/r/MensRights25/02/26 09:31 AM
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Yes. And there definitely is a fair division but that is ignored in everyday usage But we're discussing this in this particular context. Meaning a series of abuse awareness videos centered around overly controlling and abusive behaviours. The context wasn't lost on me, maybe it has been on others. I don't see this video and think "man they're calling me abusive because I want a modest woman", I think about it in the appropriate context, i.e. consistent abuse accompanied by demands, jealousy and …
/r/MensRights24/02/26 02:44 PM
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around abuse? And they've come to this conclusion after... belittling financial abuse and downplaying controlling / overly jealous and possessive behaviour? Is this not clearly more an issue of certain people not viewing abusive behaviour as abuse? If this is the kind of distain and disinterst with which they think about female victims, I dread to think how they look down on male victims.
/r/MensRights24/02/26 02:16 PM
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despite reading some of these comments? what point are people attempting to make
/r/MensRights24/02/26 12:30 PM
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Are you sure? Lots of people seem dreadfully confused by this
/r/MensRights24/02/26 12:21 PM
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big difference between expressing an opinion or concerns about an item of clothing, and abusive / controlling / belittling behaviour
/r/MensRights24/02/26 11:26 AM
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Why are we downplaying coercive control?
/r/MensRights24/02/26 11:25 AM
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All concerns or opinions are framed as insecurities and controlling. hardly, there is a pretty fair line between concern or opinion and excessive jealousy or control. It's odd to totally detract the emotional element which plays into it. A partner (hate that word) is not owed sex which is fair enough but brings up the question what is a person in a relationship owed. Not even fair, it's blindingly obvious. We got rid of marital rape yonks ago no need to cling to it. What do you think they're owe…
/r/MensRights24/02/26 11:23 AM
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It's one of many videos focused around controlling and/or abusive behaviours (i.e. excessive jealousy, shaming, excessive possessiveness) https://kidshealth.org/en/teens/abuse.html#:~:text=Abuse%20means%20treating%20someone%20with,could%20be%20all%20of%20these. It should be pretty easy to not oversimplify it and take it the wrong way
/r/MensRights24/02/26 01:45 AM
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but not being trans correct?
/r/MensRights11/02/26 08:14 PM
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Blah blah another g ay did it again 🙄 implying some kind of trend Yes, despite efforts from the mainstream media, people are starting to notice this pattern. you keep ignoring this one
/r/MensRights11/02/26 07:42 PM
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are those harmless acknowledgement, or is it: demeaning / negatively stereotyping / generalizing?
/r/MensRights11/02/26 07:35 PM
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What's the pattern, according to the stats on mass shooters?
/r/MensRights11/02/26 07:20 PM
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Blah blah another g ay did it again 🙄 It was a dude in a dress. Yes, despite efforts from the mainstream media, people are starting to notice this pattern. we must be looking at a different thread
/r/MensRights11/02/26 07:20 PM
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and of the past 4000+ mass shooters 7 have been trans
/r/MensRights11/02/26 07:19 PM
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no people aren't simply acknowledging it, they're using it as rationale for demeaning / generalizing / hating on all trans people. Or dogwhistlig with "usual suspect" stuff as if trans ppl commiting these crimes isnt proportionally notably very low
/r/MensRights11/02/26 06:41 PM
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Always weird to see people use these tragedies as an opportunity to slander trans people. Especially considering how vastly they underrepresent in relative population statistics
/r/MensRights11/02/26 05:19 PM
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https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2018/04/04/social-safety-net-programs-help-millions-escape-poverty-but-coverage-gaps-persist https://www.cbpp.org/research/poverty-and-inequality/economic-security-programs-cut-poverty-nearly-in-half-over-last-50 research pretty widely shows it helps to stabilize incomes in economic recessions too It's also common sense, if a single parent can actually afford childcare they'll have the ability to go out and work It's obviously not foolproof but evi…
/r/MensRights28/01/26 11:15 PM
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so improve those crap outcomes with a more robust welfare system that raises people out of poverty
/r/MensRights28/01/26 11:33 AM
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autonomy concerning parental rights that women currently have Sex is a voluntary act so stop pretending like pregnancy is unavoidable never said it was, but we live in the real world where real people make poor decisions and genuine mistakes happen. Pre sex contracts are not policing sex or bodies, it is to establish legal requirements if a baby is made. Policing people's bodies refers to the informal and formal practices of controlling, regulating, and judging individuals' physical appearances,…
/r/MensRights27/01/26 04:49 PM
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You don't see it because you are basically saying tax us to pay for your baby. No thanks, if you want a baby you pay for them. Ok... but that means men will never get an equivalent option. The solution is only make babies if you can afford it, otherwise use birth control. Not much of a solution is it, kind of like a if you don't want a disease, just don't get ill / interact with anyone type of argument. I am for a breeding license that establishes a legal contract for both men and women before t…
/r/MensRights27/01/26 02:57 PM
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Men and women have power imbalances when it comes to parenthood. Yeah, that's a biological reality ppl need to accept If this was truly a two-way street, shouldn’t a man have the choice to opt out of parenthood after the act of sex, the same way a woman does? Why? When a woman opts out there isn't a child that needs to be taken care of and supported, when a man opts out there is. There can't be a 2 way street because men and women are on different grounds concerning the topic. It's about not und…
/r/MensRights27/01/26 01:46 PM
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This lady wasn't completely unqualified for a brief flight given she's a Bioastronautics research scientist
/r/MensRights30/12/25 10:20 AM
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can you elaborate on the specifics of what you mean? Or how OP's points are incorrect / what you disagree with and why?
/r/MensRights27/12/25 12:10 AM
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Just because you think that way, doesn’t make it the truth…. But it’s funny how the post was removed I perfectly explained why it's a problem. It is a sociological truth. Traditional gender stereotype do objective and tangible harm, that's not a debatable stance that's factual You're the one in support of the original comment stating people with different views aren’t welcome I was excruciatingly clear "those voices should be corrected, Tradcon values are actively hostile to men's rights... we s…
/r/MensRights22/12/25 10:22 PM
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If forcing men to be parents is better for the child then abortion should also be illegal. So should safe haven sites, emergency contraceptives, and adoption. Why? Biology creates the different standard. Restricting women's rights regarding healthcare isn't how you should be approaching the topic. Why would it be a punishment for the child to not be raised by a father who wasn't ready, or didn't want them? Abject poverty? I said this in the reply. Why would this matter? Are women in capable of d…
/r/MensRights22/12/25 09:38 PM
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There are other subs that agree with your ideologies and that no other views are allowed, perhaps that’s more your speed, this is an open sub where everyone is allowed. Everyone is allowed, but views that are harmful to the movement should be addressed and criticized It’s not up to you to decide how others view the situation, we all have different experiences and that what makes this sub so great. They can view it however they want, they should also be informed about how their attitudes contradi…
/r/MensRights22/12/25 08:51 PM
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But that's less about men and more about the child at least from what I can tell for the most part. You simply don't punish the child for the decisions of the parents. In a perfect world welfare and childcare would be affordable enough to support a child but that's not the world we live in. Until then it is the duty of the parents to make sure the child stays out of abject poverty, and child support payments help reduce that risk (although given the rate of poverty among single parents other soc…
/r/MensRights22/12/25 08:43 PM
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how does feminism do that? do you mean Tradcon feminists? It's a pretty diverse ideology
/r/MensRights22/12/25 05:26 PM
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Who said anything about banning them? I'm saying we correct them, educate them on the harm their ideology causes men, and make sure this sub is actually about men's rights and isn't fostering harmful mentalities towards men and women
/r/MensRights22/12/25 04:22 PM
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those voices should be corrected, Tradcon values are actively hostile to men's rights. I don't think it's a massive overstep to point out we shouldn't be welcoming sexist attitudes in a sub based on equality
/r/MensRights22/12/25 03:44 PM
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If this movement wants to gain any sort of respect or legitimacy we shouldn't be encouraging sexist ideologies
/r/MensRights22/12/25 03:43 PM
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We absolutely should call out ideologies which directly contradict the aims and intentions of MRA's It's not a mere disagreement, their ideology is actively hostile to progress.
/r/MensRights22/12/25 03:41 PM
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The traditional gender roles for men as Provider, Protector, and Presider are good for both men and society. They were never the problem. The focus is about gender stereotypes. In isolation these roles are fine, it's when society enforces them, shapes policy round them and social biases form around those stereotypes. Forced military service is not part of those roles, that's the result of tyrannical governments. It's a partial result of gender stereotypes Being Providers and Protectors leans int…
/r/MensRights22/12/25 03:40 PM
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Enemies are people, groups, or forces actively hostile and opposing you, seeking to harm or thwart your goals their ideology actively opposes what this sub should stand for there's disagreement and then there's holding views which directly harm and oppress men / women alike. Let's not water it down
/r/MensRights22/12/25 03:08 PM
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they should because the alternative could be, in sharp cases, homelessness. like you say it's a social contract. If the reason for the contracts creation falls apart and no longer holds any meaning, why on earth would you continue to honour it? It's making people suffer for the sake of an archaic tradition which isn't eternally binding.
/r/MensRights22/12/25 10:11 AM
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Happens all too much, parents in a miserable unfulfilling marriage because shock, people change and are capable of falling out of love / life getting in the way Is that an environment we should be forcing adults and children to live in? Especially given how it can turn toxic so fast? Especially how people can try and find damaging solutions in order to break free. You have to rationalize why they must say, not just state men and women should have 0 agency over their martial status
/r/MensRights21/12/25 01:13 PM
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all the more reason to push for social change towards dual earner families and destigmatize prenups the financial responsibilities you commit to at marriage (assuming no prenups) don't trump the agency men and women should be entitled to concerning divorce. ending no fault divorce really doesn't fix those issues, it just reintroduces more
/r/MensRights21/12/25 10:32 AM
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all the more reason to tackle rigid gender roles and break down this misconception op seems to have that no fault divorce only benefits women. More dual earner households and the property issue loses momentum, reducing the stigma around prenups. You've also got the sentiment of breaking down those traditionally feminine roles such as childcare to make them apply more equally to men and women. Eventually perceptions will shift. As it stands the main reason men get custody less than women is a. be…
/r/MensRights21/12/25 09:47 AM
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how does it make zero sense ppl shouldn't be forced to stay in loveless marriages, do you not see the problems with that?
/r/MensRights21/12/25 09:36 AM
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What's the issue with no fault divorce? Why should people be forced to stay in unhappy marriages?
/r/MensRights21/12/25 09:26 AM
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what a silly idea, why should 1 individual be able to trap their partner in an unhappy marriage? Do you want kids being trapped in a loveless toxic household? How could you possibly come to the conclusion that there are no problems with that?
/r/MensRights21/12/25 09:22 AM
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they grow into the problem if they aren't educated, sexism can very much be generational is your mother sexist too? ppl really can't comprehend sexist stereotypes can they
/r/MensRights18/12/25 10:28 PM
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Rigid gender stereotypes are comfort. They make it easy to find your place in society and give you clear guidelines on what to do with your life and how to interact positively with others. I'd argue they aren't inherently positive. There's an aspect of exaggerated gender stereotypes which act to try to emasculate and ostracize people who act outside of the gender norm. This creates all sorts of issues which this sub chats about daily. I agree there's that easy idea of comfort, identity etc which…
/r/MensRights17/12/25 04:45 PM
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you won't even try to rationalize these obscure opinions?
/r/MensRights17/12/25 03:57 PM
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would this imply pushing an evolved less rigid version of masculinity rather than the outdated stereotypes which negatively effected men in ways in the past and present?
/r/MensRights17/12/25 12:45 PM
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Men want to be women because they cant get a girlfriend but this is just hilariously incorrect and women mutilate their bodies so they dont receive male attention. As is this is a delusional take What a bizarre understanding of gender dysphoria / body dysmorphia. You should chat to a trans person, I've got a few distant trans friends they never struggled to get laid pre/post transition, and they certainly don't know anyone who transitioned just to avoid male attention because you can just dress …
/r/MensRights17/12/25 12:43 PM
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what if men don't want to subscribe into the rigid gender stereotypes of the past?
/r/MensRights17/12/25 12:10 PM
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being trans is anti-male? do you mean in the ways it can sometimes play into exaggerated gender stereotypes?
/r/MensRights17/12/25 12:09 PM
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Not entirely The attacker would be arrested under the label of a sexual offence which could hold similar consequences given the nature of the case (but as we all know, rape prosecutions as a whole are disgustingly low and rapists often get away with slaps on the wrist so who knows how effective it was / will be)
/r/MensRights14/12/25 04:51 PM
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I don't think the systematic rape of men, women and children is quite in the same vein as what is essentially legal semantics. Sexual assault still holds a similar sentence legally, it's just the label which hasn't kept up
/r/MensRights14/12/25 04:37 PM
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1 guy? This is just 1 example https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/03/more-human-can-bear-israels-systematic-use-sexual-reproductive-and-other This countries military force is weaponising rape on a systematic scale If you want to make a distinction between the source and the real world, make sure you're actually acknowledging the real world
/r/MensRights14/12/25 02:20 PM
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the law now refers to “penetration” (חדירה) into the body of a woman or a man, or the insertion of an object or body part, without consent. So it hasn't really made gender neutral rape laws. If a man is forced to penetrate someone else this is classified as sexual assault. That's still a hefty crime and carries similar sentences, but it's not being made completely gender neutral. Also, are we really celebrating anything coming from Israel, the country which tried to legally defend the gang-rape …
/r/MensRights14/12/25 01:02 PM
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Is this the same nation which defends the gang rape / sexual assault of male prisoners? https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/8/9/everything-is-legitimate-israeli-leaders-defend-soldiers-accused-of-rape Then far-right activists and some politicians publicly defended the accused soldiers, called them “heroes,” and even stormed military facilities to protest the arrests. I wouldn't really go around heralding Israel as "based" considering their repeated war crimes against men and women
/r/MensRights14/12/25 12:52 PM
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They aren't new in place rules though The wording comes from "internal risk assessment material', not final passed policy It says that party lawyers warned that a proposed extension of the party’s definition of misogyny might be so broad that “being corrected” could be listed as an example. The general focus of the article seems to be about trans issues and how the party doesn't want to tolerate gender critical views. And in the past faced pushback when gender critical members were dismissed bec…
/r/MensRights14/12/25 12:35 PM
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If you're quoting her you should be understanding her at the very least Her main point in context here is that as long as staying home is treated as the default, women can’t achieve real equality. And that choice” isn’t really free when society pushes women toward a single path. So she's actually arguing against you, you just don't realize because surface level quotes have more impact I guess?
/r/MensRights11/12/25 07:56 PM
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It's promoting the research that suggests women are generally earning less than men due to social stereotypes etc I think a lot of ppl don't actually understand what is meant by the term Wage Gap in modern conversation
/r/MensRights11/12/25 07:26 PM
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and you're saying that proudly on a subreddit dedicated to men's rights? christ
/r/MensRights08/12/25 08:58 PM
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How does this mentality apply to same-sex couples with children? And how does it apply to a subreddit dedicated to critiquing rigid gender expectations
/r/MensRights08/12/25 07:17 PM
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Given he's an "experienced mountaineer" and planned the trip, that places him in a much more experienced position than a "novice"
/r/MensRights06/12/25 05:15 PM
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https://www.newburymountainclub.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Risk-Liability-Clubs-2016.pdf To establish that there has been negligence three factors must exist: (i) a duty of care must be owed in the first place (ii) there must have been a breach of that duty of care (iii) actual damage must have resulted from that breach of duty of care. But in this situation the duty of care applies proportionally and the more experienced persons are expected to act within the context of their own knowled…
/r/MensRights06/12/25 01:48 PM
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https://www.newburymountainclub.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Risk-Liability-Clubs-2016.pdf To establish that there has been negligence three factors must exist: (i) a duty of care must be owed in the first place (ii) there must have been a breach of that duty of care (iii) actual damage must have resulted from that breach of duty of care. But in this situation the duty of care applies proportionally and the more experienced persons are expected to act within the context of their own knowled…
/r/MensRights06/12/25 01:47 PM
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well when you plan a hike, guide them up a mountain when they have very little experience, and refuse to call for emergency help until 3am despite getting stranded at 8:30 then yes, that person who died out of your incompetence and negligence was your responsibility
/r/MensRights06/12/25 09:32 AM
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The article has nothing to do with gender an experienced climber made consistently incompetent and dangerous decisions, failed to act for the safety of their crew, then abandoned their crew without preparing even basic survival equipment for 6 and a half hours which eventually led to their death Tell me where gender factors into this conversation which is wholly about mountaineering experience, and how that experience shapes who is responsible and who has a duty of care? Trying so desperately to…
/r/MensRights06/12/25 09:11 AM
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He responded to emergency calls 7 hours after being stranded and ignoted those calls for those 7 hours even putting his phone on silent He set off too late, he didn't give her appropriate hiking kit, he didn't turn around when conditions got dangerous failing to act for the safety of the hiker you're responsible for leading to her death is obviously negligence
/r/MensRights06/12/25 09:06 AM
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No, the articles say he's the one that planned the trip It also says he failed to inform or encourage her to use appropriate hiking kit. She was a novice, he was an expert, this is negligence then it says since getting stranded at 8:50, he ignored emergency calls until 0:35, at which point he put his phone on silent, only finally contacting emergency services at 3am. Again, this is obviously negligence He made dangerous decisions after dangerous decisions, and his incompetence led to his girlfri…
/r/MensRights06/12/25 09:02 AM
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He was responsible for the hike, he planned it, he was the instigator for every incompetent decision he made throughout the event, and his choices are the reason his girlfriend is dead It's like if a Sherpa made dangerous decisions after every turn and then abandoned his inexperienced crew with insufficient kit for 6 hours leaving them for dead. Obviously there is a degree of accountability for the bloke who organized the trip. You have a duty of care
/r/MensRights06/12/25 08:58 AM
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So... how is it not manslaughter by gross negligence? Since the defendant, unlike his girlfriend, was already very experienced with alpine high-altitude tours and had planned the tour, he was to be considered the responsible guide of the tour. He also knew she had ”totally unsuitable" kit for the high-alpine hike but chose to go anyway, 2 hours later than they should've btw This moron encourages his girlfriend into coming on a hike despite her having extremely limited experience, doesn't take an…
/r/MensRights06/12/25 08:50 AM
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Not her stupidity, her boyfriend's that's why he caught the charge, for his dangerous negligence
/r/MensRights06/12/25 08:46 AM
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There is no proof gender stereotypes affect women negatively. what a delusional take, sexism can positively and negatively impact men and women in numerous ways, it's not as surface level as you're pretending it is In fact the women are wonderful effect suggests that women are on the receiving end of violence LESS rather than more often. yeah, in general, less likely to get involved in gang violence, public scuffles, social fights etc within relationships not so much which is the topic of conver…
/r/MensRights30/11/25 03:54 PM
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not just socialisation, sexist gender stereotypes in general. OP had a good link for it in one of their comments You mention a few relevant factors, but you have failed to establish them as the reason. It's not back and white, these factors are woven into each other
/r/MensRights30/11/25 03:44 PM
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again, what are you and OP finding so difficult? IPV is very much a topic that warrants its own separate and distinct discussion I get you want a surface level answer but sadly this topic is way too complicated for that which I KNOW ppl on this sub will struggle with My point is about IPH, and why women are 6 times more likely than men to be killed by an intimate partner when they are victims of homicide
/r/MensRights30/11/25 03:41 PM
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39% of victims of IPH in the US are men. Are you suggesting they were murdered because of sexist attitudes about femininity and men? No, research suggests there are very different risk patterns for men and women. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31348402/ https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/10887679211047445 This is a really good source because it points to sexist stereotype around male victimhood, how society treats men as the aggressor due to sexist stereotypes around masculinity and domin…
/r/MensRights30/11/25 03:39 PM
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Data were obtained for 66 countries. Overall 13·5% (IQR 9·2-18·2) of homicides were committed by an intimate partner, and this proportion was six times higher for female homicides than for male homicides what are we struggling with? https://researchonline.lshtm.ac.uk/id/eprint/1035360 Breaking it down by victim sex: 38.6% (IQR 30.8-45.3) of female homicides were by intimate partners, compared with 6.3% (IQR 3.1-6.3) of male homicides Of homicide victims, women are 6 times more likely than men to…
/r/MensRights30/11/25 02:54 PM
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https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23791474/ I'm this link it suggests that women are 6 times more likely to be killed by an intimate partner than men are worldwide, around 4 times in Asia and around 2 times in Europe. That's still 100% more likely to die to an intimate partner than men. My pretty basic interpretation of this is that this violence is fuelled sexist attitudes about masculinity and women? I can't really think of any sort of argument which says otherwise. Toxic gender stereotypes and …
/r/MensRights30/11/25 02:48 PM
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Because the topic at hand is misandry and misogyny, not harmful gender stereotypes in how men and women are raised and socialized That's why I stick to the most relevant example of deaths related directly to sexism, because it's as on topic as we can get.Again your being intentionally vague to gloss over the topic being discussed
/r/MensRights29/11/25 04:38 PM
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but this is just a cope and a seethe women being killed by their husbands is directly tied to misogyny, a man being killed due to gang violence, squabbles etc due to toxic stereotypes around masculinity is not misandry You're being vague because when you're specific as I have been the argument crumbles
/r/MensRights29/11/25 02:50 PM
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the ways in which men are killed via homicide isn't misandry to nearly the same degree it is for women it's perpetuated by toxic stereotypes sure, but not fuelled by misandry
/r/MensRights29/11/25 01:26 PM
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https://mankind.org.uk/statistics/statistics-on-male-victims-of-domestic-abuse/#:~:text=The%20ManKind%20Initiative%20estimates%20that,ONS)%202024/25 There is a significant disparity in gender based violence according to the ONS extending to fatal and non-fatal incidents. It is still interesting to see how indirect deaths effect men in the form of suicide though. You can look up the stats on femicide specifically if you want, something like 50k yearly killed by intimate partners globally, one eve…
/r/MensRights29/11/25 12:26 PM
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Stats on femicide pretty easily conflict with this oppression Olympics take of yours rather than indirect social factors caused by outdated toxic gender stereotypes (not necessarily fitting the definition of "misandry", you have people being murdered, raped and assaulted with these being directly tied to misogyny
/r/MensRights29/11/25 10:36 AM
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I am not educated enough on gender-based violence in SA or familiar with the group behind this, but I think it's important that this movement aims to inform people like me in the best possible way. But you're saying it misframes general violence as a gendered issue. But if you look at the cause, say their website, it clearly lays out the aims of the movement. The messaging is very coherent, gender based violence is rampant in South Africa, Femicide is a genuine big issue and it's fuelled by sexi…
/r/MensRights21/11/25 01:59 PM
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It is like you say, Femicide is much more of a motivator for violence than androcide in the context of intimate partner violence and on the topic of rape. Something like 1 woman killed every day by a partner in 2020-2021, a type of violence men aren't so much victims of OP seems to have confused tackling the unique form of violence women face in SA as distracting from the issue of violence as a whole, rather than simply a group tackling a very specific sub-group of violence. They focus on the mi…
/r/MensRights21/11/25 11:01 AM
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I think a distinction is being made between murder and specifically Femicide It's about the high levels of intimate partner violence, as well as the very high rape rate in the country which women are primarily the victims of https://www.samrc.ac.za/policy-briefs/20-years-femicide-research-south-africa?type=policy-briefs&menu=resource-centre&menu-item=policy-briefs Naturally an organisation tackling gender violence would focus specifically on Femicide, especially since androcide isn't nearly as c…
/r/MensRights21/11/25 10:10 AM
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That's still not what polyandry means polyandry is a specific type of polygamy where a woman has multiple husbands You've described 2 separate concepts. You have polyandry, and then you have modern society and the more lax stance on casual sex This modern dynamic applies to both men and women, hence why your point fell flat
/r/MensRights20/11/25 06:07 PM
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you're better off explaining how I'm wrong in any way rather than regurgitation a quote you don't understand
/r/MensRights20/11/25 06:03 PM
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it's just someone explaining they have casual sex, why are ppl getting in a tizzy over it, and why's it getting posted in this sub?
/r/MensRights20/11/25 05:07 PM
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It's precisely the mentality that radical feminists use to claim all men are predators, that men are dangerous, that men aren't in control of their emotions You are really confused if you think a "''deterministic""' POV is giving you a """wide picture""". Instantly you've contradicted yourself which suggests you don't understand the words I'm using at all. look up what biological determinism means, and why it has no place in a subreddit about men's rights given how we can be disadvantaged via se…
/r/MensRights20/11/25 03:21 PM
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What gave that impression? OP is talking about dating and relationship culture. Deterministic stances don't hold a candle to the insane complexities of the topic. They can give useful basic insights, but they require some degree of psychological / sociological input in order to actually apply to modern human society I.E. it may give 1 perspective on the behaviour, but it will fail spectacularly when attempting to figure out the why or the implications, or how to research the phenomena in practic…
/r/MensRights20/11/25 02:21 PM
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But I still don't think you really understand the topic, especially since you cling to this hard science view which obviously cannot explain modern societal phenomena on its own Genetics don't explain modern society, we don't live in caves anymore in little tribes. It's that whole Nature vs Nurture debate. You are vastly underestimating the complexities of modern society so you can get an easy answer when, as I've explained, that isn't appropriate. It can give you insights, it's a perfect stance…
/r/MensRights20/11/25 01:43 PM
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Christ, what an excruciatingly low bar to set What is Social Psychology? https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=what+is+sociology&btnG=#d=gs_qabs&t=1763643826028&u=%23p%3DDNDiHk_mmywJ
/r/MensRights20/11/25 01:03 PM
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not necessarily a problem, it's about 1% more for 18-29 year old women, so despite all these massive advantages, relentless reinforcement and encouragement, it's hardly reflected in the stats Even just this 1 stat doesn't prove op's point at all. He's implying there is some sort of deterministic biological component to "polyandry" (he isn't using this term correctly), despite this supposed widespread force of nature AND dominant societal attitude we still don't see a significant difference betwe…
/r/MensRights20/11/25 12:35 PM
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what?
/r/MensRights20/11/25 10:50 AM
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but you don't know history you ascribe outdated concepts to a modern world and attempt to correlate animal mating psychology to the infinitely more complex and socially diverse dynamics of human psychology, of course with no attempt to establish causation It's just delusional biological determinism, a view that truly does not belong in this sub
/r/MensRights20/11/25 10:25 AM
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They don't make much of a secret of it, either. https://www.azquotes.com/author/31156-Linda_Gordon This quote seems pretty great, we absolutely shouldn't be bound or oppressed by archaic and outdated expectations and "divisions of labour". Sexist gender stereotypes cause all sorts of problems for everyone What is also apparent, if you look at a book such as Esther Perel's 'Breeding In Captivity', is that women seek the security of marriage...then, it bores them. It's almost as though their feeli…
/r/MensRights20/11/25 10:10 AM
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https://www.fivium.co.uk/about-us/blog/international-womens-day-2023-what-does-equity-mean lots of resources on what it might mean, i.e. tackling systemic and ingrained biases such as women being expected to take on more household / childcare responsibilities and working to create a more even playing field is it really a special privilege if historically and systemically women have been disadvantaged? The same type of logic applies to race and sexuality
/r/MensRights16/11/25 11:56 AM
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No it isn't Its a term that acknowledged that humans are different, and as such some humans need special accommodations in order to reach the same privileges other people have. Equity evens the playing field, whereas some surface level take on equality often leaves people disadvantaged i.e. equity for a disabled person is giving them spaces on busses, because if you don't they're disadvantages. In an ever simpler way if you have people with different heights and you want to look over a tall fenc…
/r/MensRights15/11/25 12:21 PM
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This plays off of a specific interpretation of what the patriarchy implies. Most likely taking from the books of radical feminists and other deterministic ideologies, but this isn't really representative of all forms of feminism for Intersectional, patriarchy describes systems and structures that historically gave men collective advantages, it is not an accusation against individual men or commenting on the nature of man your links are hard to evaluate, what were the specific policies presented?…
/r/MensRights10/11/25 10:58 PM
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This is just intersectional feminism btw
/r/MensRights10/11/25 09:03 PM
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You seem to he approaching this with the idea men are predators that need to he exposed - with a corallery of women never stretch the facts to benefit themselves. I'm approaching it with the understanding that if someone is legally found guilty of having sex with someone who didn't consent, that makes them a predator. The lack of consent being proven in court This is a totally gender blind opinion. This does nothing to catch actual predators. it catches ppl who had sex with people who didn't con…
/r/MensRights30/10/25 04:12 PM
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The wording has rape defined as penetrative - this is stating it's not possible for women to be guilty of the act This has pretty much always been the case, what you're looking for is sexual assault, a blanket term which does cover abuse to men without consent. The legal definition and social definition are a little different which leads to confusion The amendment now puts the burden of proof on the man to show he's not a rapist. Is this an honest interpretation in practice though? It defined ra…
/r/MensRights30/10/25 02:07 PM
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surprised this wasn't already the case consent isn't black and white, and now the law is better reflecting the nuances. i.e. You don't have to physically resist in order to be a victim
/r/MensRights30/10/25 10:30 AM
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sexual offences in general are largely experienced by younger women https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/compendium/focusonviolentcrimeandsexualoffences/yearendingmarch2015/experimentalstatistics1newdataonpolicerecordedviolentandsexualoffencesyearendingmarch2015 https://share.google/mNb4cAP35iB9CPLcH 40% just between 10-19 year olds for sexual Offences in general, another 20% for 20-29. Maybe I'm more used to it because I'm in my 20's and have younger friends but I…
/r/MensRights28/10/25 08:54 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apartheid give me some of the direct comparison then which makes this a coherent parallel keep in mind we are basing this entire parallel off of... women being afforded optional and occasional access to women only carriages (as they have been in places like Japan and India to curb sex pests) in order to avoid being sexually harassed / assaulted. Is your best point really that it's some slippery slope? Because that's obviously terrible reasoning They predictably bloc…
/r/MensRights28/10/25 07:47 PM
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But it isn't remotely comparable women having access to a single female only carriage every once in a while during weekdays is not remotely comparable to the systematic and institutionally racist segregation of black people and white people in South Africa Do you really not see how absolutely hysterical you sound making such a profoundly ignorant and moronic parralel?
/r/MensRights28/10/25 06:41 PM
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but literally just ask the women in your life, they can explain it to you a hell of a lot better than I can There is a reason this has been implemented in places like Japan and India with limited problems. I'd take a slightly more crowded carriage every day of the week if it meant women were less likely to be assaulted by degenerates
/r/MensRights28/10/25 04:30 PM
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the topic at hand is sexual violence the feeling of discomfort and what fuels that discomfort for sitting in the same carriages as ppl of different races is obviously very different to the context behind why women face discomfort Stripping the argument down to such a braindead level is so pointless https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women-only_passenger_car Why do you think they exist in places like Japan? and why do you think this is unreasonable
/r/MensRights28/10/25 04:25 PM
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https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/transparency/freedom-of-information/foi-request-detail?referenceId=FOI-4062-2425#:~:text=Since%20the%20launch%20of%20the,to%20a%20rise%20in%20reporting. Between February 2023 and January 2024, there were 2,671 offenses reported to police, with the vast majority of ppl reporting to the BTP being women Offences are chronically underreported so the real stats will be much higher the feeling is informed by the rampant sexual abuse on public transport, something the stats…
/r/MensRights28/10/25 03:27 PM
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the feelings come from the risk of sexual assault / harassment which women typically face at higher rates on public transport It's why in somewhere like Japan it may be more accepted to have separate carriages, because of the systematic and rampant sexual abuse women in that country experience
/r/MensRights28/10/25 03:23 PM
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why wouldn't you support legal gender equality?
/r/MensRights27/10/25 12:02 PM
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it's a common great replacement scare tactic
/r/MensRights27/10/25 12:01 PM
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none of this is coercive abuse at all, this is downplaying genuine abuse behavior it's gross it's all very clearly outlined in the article
/r/MensRights20/09/25 09:21 PM
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Coercive control is an act or a pattern of acts of assault, threats, humiliation and intimidation or other abuse that is used to harm, punish, or frighten their victim. Coercive and controlling behaviour is at the heart of domestic abuse. great news, now we just need the same for men
/r/MensRights20/09/25 11:59 AM
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surely the easy solution to this is to have some self respect and not date these types of women no? what you've implied is it's more expensive to be a man than a women but you've sort of chosen the one relationship dynamic where this would be the case the real answer is it very much depends on what dating intentions you have and the type of relationship you want, it's not that black and white
/r/MensRights12/09/25 11:12 AM
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if you choose this sort of piggybank relationship dynamic sure, but I'm not sure the standard should be to settle for such a skewed dynamic I've been in relationships where it's pretty much 50/50, we both get each other gifts, it's lovely and easy I've also been in relationships where I'm simply earning more money, I'll pay for drinks or the odd deliveroo every now and then when they're struggling, feels like common sense, I can't bring myself to be bothered by it and if I did I wouldn't be ther…
/r/MensRights12/09/25 12:23 AM
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she was drummed into a frenzy by the relentless online immigrant rage-baiting, she's also a well known local troublemaker. She's been failed by her parents and the media Idk, I think ppl act in confusing and odd ways when faced with such an absurd scene as a little kid approaching you with a hatchet. I wouldn't take it seriously either, we can easily say he should've acted more maturely but in reality, the kid is the one with a deadly weapon, this blokes a victim
/r/MensRights03/09/25 09:41 PM
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Because for women there's been this long trend of purity dating back to the early AD's Virginity was a sign of purity. People at the time were well aware of STD's so copping a virgin wife (preferably a child) would protect you from this. It was a safety net. There's also the reality that women were commodities / property. They get married off as kids and they'd have sex after their first period. If a woman has sex prior they quite literally would lose their value, because a virgin wife was more …
/r/MensRights03/09/25 08:54 PM
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some wannabe gangster so what? doesn't make him a rapist / sex offender Why are you even on this sub if you're going to perpetuate stereotypes that men interacting with kids means they're likely a predator reminds me of that Mads Mikkelsen film
/r/MensRights03/09/25 08:46 PM
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not the kid who walks out their home with a hatchet and foot long blade?
/r/MensRights03/09/25 08:44 PM
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'I was going to the shop and she was stopping me going on my way.'If I did hurt the girl, why didn't the police arrest me? 'They have done nothing to me. 'They saw from the CCTV cameras from Farmfoods that she was stopping me go on my way to the shop. 'There was one more person also who told them (the police) she was attacking me and calling me a f***** migrant. The claim he was an illegal immigrant was false The claim he or his sister attacked her is false He filmed the kid because she was hara…
/r/MensRights29/08/25 01:38 PM
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They won't rest until the 'Patriarchy' of the nuclear family has been destroyed, and their litters of mongrel kids don't know the meaning of the word 'father'. The Nuclear Family itself isn't really an issue if the ppl Involved are happy. The issue is when it becomes some kind of social expectation, this demand or implication, there MUST be a male breadwinner and female homemaker. aamd where men are shamed or emasculated for not reaching stereotypical requirements and likewise for women It's als…
/r/MensRights29/08/25 11:32 AM
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All the AI art replies these troglodytes would make, face tuning the 14 year old were so fucking weird
/r/MensRights29/08/25 11:09 AM
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why on earth are ppl dating women they're not attracted to?
/r/MensRights23/08/25 02:06 PM
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One paragraph of deflection and gaslighting because acknowledging male suffering poses a threat to Feminists No, it points out very clearly that these are not really the primary issues men face specifically in relationships relating to ED These are primarily issues men face whilst trying to get Into relationships and another paragraph of pushing an ideological agenda It's explaining a very real phenomena where female sexual pleasure hasn't been historically valued and still isn't valued enough t…
/r/MensRights23/08/25 01:34 PM
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Korean men don't oppose tougher punishments for crimes like spycams and online harassment. true, but the existence of these rampant spy cams in the first place is just more fuel to the fire of a sexist society which dehumanizes and objectifies women Most normal Korean men don't oppose things like sharing childcare responsibilities or demanding harsher punishments for crimes against women. sure, but the gender stereotype are regardless a lot more pronounced in Korea than other developed nations A…
/r/MensRights23/08/25 12:06 PM
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stellar response, any chance you'll address the points or is that too tricky?
/r/MensRights23/08/25 11:33 AM
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to be a little more specific Marxist feminism specifically is about Capitalism It suggests the patriarchy is simply a tool wielded by the capitalist elites to maintain the proletariat's submission and obedience. This has some merit given the types of gender roles set out in more traditional societies which tend to try and frame women as emotionally weak, dependent-on-their-husbands, and tries to push them away from independence, freedom and work. This helps explain your later point of the wage g…
/r/MensRights23/08/25 11:29 AM
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Korea is a sexist dystopia. Don't blame feminism, blame the toxic gender stereotypes You have these archaic gender expectations that in order for men to be men they must be breadwinners, they must lead, they must have a masculine job. These lofty pressures and expectations are unrealistic in modern society, they pin men into roles they don't like, and the incredibly toxic work culture only exaggerated this The same story is true for women young Korean men are also resenting gender-equality polic…
/r/MensRights23/08/25 11:16 AM
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Because guys are desperate but anyway that's not even the part I was responding too. That's a terrible excuse for body shaming or demanding toxic beauty standards / expectations. It's expecting a person to change their identity or aesthetic specifically for you. It comes across as disrespectful and entitled and like you say, desperate Like I said, a lot of men prefer pubic hair, and what's clean shaven? For women it's fine to "expect" her to not have armpit hair, leg hair, and a mustache, some g…
/r/MensRights23/08/25 10:46 AM
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all of those points would make it difficult for men and women to enter relationships with each other, but I struggle to see how any of those apply to men specifically in relationships where misandry, stereotypes, dynamics would all be communicated and resolved (or if not, obviously you'd break up) Men have always had a pressure to perform, i'd argue the only shift recently is a pressure to actually value women's pleasure. And if anything that should take some of the pressure off because you don'…
/r/MensRights23/08/25 10:41 AM
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The truth is, a vast majority of men do not find women with mustaches and armpit hair attractive. which is a totally reasonable preference Regardless… that is not “body shaming”, body shaming is when you dislike something someone cannot control this isn't true - body shaming is the act of making negative comments or criticisms about someone's physical appearance, often focusing on their weight, size, shape, or other body features i.e. hair What “real man” is going to take a woman they deem as un…
/r/MensRights23/08/25 10:38 AM
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hey man, if you don't want to handle a bit of hair that's up to you it's not the cause of mass ED's though, you aren't going for those types of women and therefore wouldn't encounter that issue
/r/MensRights22/08/25 11:47 PM
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but it's not "unmanly" for a guy who doesn't want a woman who has a literal mustache and armpit and leg hair, and no, peach fuz is not the same as those. I totally agree, but why would a guy be getting intimate with someone who they're not even remotely attracted to? You aren't going to have troubles performing because they're not someone you'd be getting intimate in the first place, it's not a scenario which would happen. This is about ED's, not general preferences around facial hair. That pref…
/r/MensRights22/08/25 11:06 PM
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could you elaborate on this?
/r/MensRights22/08/25 10:15 PM
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go for the hot bisexual women then? Plenty out there
/r/MensRights22/08/25 10:15 PM
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young men are struggling to get hard because... women don't shave? Feminist women, who don't fit your personal taste / aren't interested in you anyway, are the reason men can't get hard with partners who they actually align with and are actually interested in and who fit their preferences? What real man is gunna get intimate with someone, be in that intimate situation, and then struggle to perform over a bit of hair? edit - You won't be in that situation in the first place if you have such a str…
/r/MensRights22/08/25 10:12 PM
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Isn't this kinda contradicted by the claims of feminism on the topic of households? Women are being pushed to be independent, not financially tied or dependent on a man the main issue feminism has with dual earned households is that men don't do enough domestic labour. In a sense the housewife role is placed on the women despite them also working a breadwinner / equal financial role in the household. This is also something backed by studies, it gave rise to the term "dual burden", men still stat…
/r/MensRights22/08/25 01:45 PM
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that's how rape accusations go, people have never believed or cared about the victims
/r/MensRights22/08/25 11:37 AM
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they were being harassed, hence why they started recording it
/r/MensRights22/08/25 11:34 AM
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so the Title IX investigation found the boys responsible for sexual harassment and sex-based discrimination of the student, hence why they were suspended There's nothing wrong with being uncomfortable, yet that wasn't the issue here. The boys did more than simply feeling uncomfortable, hence the suspension To add - Loudoun County Public Schools (LCPS) currently permit transgender students to access restrooms and locker rooms that align with their gender identity. It's part of Policy 8040, passed…
/r/MensRights22/08/25 11:31 AM
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men have every right to cheer just as much as women do. It's not purely a woman's sport, everyone is welcome, hell it used to be a male only sport! You're on a mens right subreddit, telling people we should discriminate against men, it's fucking wild There is no physiological reason why men cannot or should not cheer, there's no logical reason. So your dogshit comparison falls woefully short of making a point Your opinion is solely rooted in a deep sense of homophobia and misandry. That is all, …
/r/MensRights21/08/25 11:09 AM
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have you seen cheerleading competitions? It's not much different to professional dance or ballet
/r/MensRights21/08/25 11:01 AM
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So what? Just because some grown men get upset when they see men cheerleading? Is this fragile mentality somehow more important than affording men agency and encouragement for pursuing hobbies or sports which they enjoy and want to do? It boils down to putting down feminine acting men. It's misandry, plain and simple. And given the context I'm willing to assume a lot of this outrage (not necessarily yours, but general outrage) comes from a place of homophobia too.
/r/MensRights20/08/25 04:25 PM
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this was an easy one The Bugis people - general themes of gender fluidity and a meshing of gender roles The Aka People - gender roles in general are highly fluid The Chukchi - Shamans often adopt female roles or appearances Xanith - Men offen assume feminine social roles and attire the Muxe - individuals assigned male at birth who embody feminine traits and roles Sekrata - same theme of individuals assigned male at birth, yet they undertake feminine roles in culture and ceremony the Chibados - m…
/r/MensRights20/08/25 04:19 PM
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so... high testosterone correlates with outfit choices? What an interesting and totally intellectually void observation you've made are men with low testosterone not real men? do you shame men who work in nurseries / primary schools? What about men who do ballet? Your grasp of basic nature is profoundly ignorant, I can guarantee you don't actually have a clue what you're talking about, and you wield this ignorance to bash other men for the sin of living their lives authentically and pursuing the…
/r/MensRights20/08/25 03:18 PM
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it was originally an all male sport, hardly something to be shocked over that some men... choose to cheer God forbid men have hobbies which don't fit some arbitrary norm
/r/MensRights20/08/25 12:45 PM
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what's wrong with men engaging in a traditionally feminine hobby? Should men not be dancers? Fuck should men not do any sort of ballet? ice skating? Do you find that disgusting? Could all do with a watch or Billy Eliot, teaches us a lot about the internalized sexism men experience and the negative impact it has on other men simply trying to live their lives and follow their passions / interests The truly disgusting thing is men attacking other men for being authentic. Shame on you
/r/MensRights20/08/25 11:44 AM
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certainly seems like it given how a lot of the comments are attacking feminine / unconventional / gay men simply pursuing a hobby which brings them joy and fulfillment
/r/MensRights20/08/25 11:40 AM
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God and of course the sexist comment that puts down unconventional men is getting hella upvotes. What's the point of this sub if it's just being used as a place to attack men who don't fit this socially constructed norm that causes lots of the problems people are posting about daily. Maybe they felt called out on their internalised homophobia / sexist attitudes
/r/MensRights20/08/25 11:39 AM
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fantastic, now we're shaming men for acting outside masculine stereotypes how is it unnatural for men to do cheerleading? Is it unnatural for men to be gay? Camp? Act slightly feminine? How about have long hair? use makeup? enjoy pottery? What does any of that have to do with hormones? how fucking tragic, on a men's rights subreddit no less getting upvotes for this utter shite, putting down men who don't act the way society expects them to
/r/MensRights20/08/25 11:34 AM
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There is this weird theme where people seem to be hooked on invalidating or downplaying traditionally feminine sports. Cheerleading is a real sport, similar vein to gymnastics, it can be very physical and rather risky and takes proper training to get tight routines. It's really not up to you to decide what sports are proper, and honestly shame on you for this dismissive and ignorant take
/r/MensRights19/08/25 07:14 PM
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No surprise, people have always been gate-keeping masculinity They can't handle when men act a little authentic, camp, unconventional, outside of the stereotype. It's all just bog standard sexism with a sprinkling of homophobia. What other reason exists to put down and attack these men who are merely following a path that they enjoy and that fulfills them?
/r/MensRights19/08/25 12:16 PM
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let's be honest, it's because the male cheerleaders are acting a bit camp They don't like when men express themselves, live their lives authentically and outside the macho stereotype, pursue unconventional feminine career paths or hobbies. There's no valid reason to oppose men in cheerleading that doesn't come from a place of homophobia or misandry
/r/MensRights19/08/25 12:14 PM
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Here are some links you can ponder on whilst you reconsider your stance https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=catcalling+and+street+harassment&oq=catcalling+and#d=gs_qabs&t=1755603229622&u=%23p%3DbQJOXXp_ASYJ https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=catcalling+and+psychological+impact+&btnG=#d=gs_qabs&t=1755603299484&u=%23p%3Dq-9xy-IadSQJ Impact on mental health https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=catcalling+and+psychological+impact+&btnG=#d=g…
/r/MensRights19/08/25 11:42 AM
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Some links for you https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=catcalling+and+street+harassment&oq=catcalling+and#d=gs_qabs&t=1755603229622&u=%23p%3DbQJOXXp_ASYJ https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=catcalling+and+psychological+impact+&btnG=#d=gs_qabs&t=1755603299484&u=%23p%3Dq-9xy-IadSQJ Impact on mental health https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=catcalling+and+psychological+impact+&btnG=#d=gs_qabs&t=1755603260867&u=%23p%3DsHE447zi0j0J https://…
/r/MensRights19/08/25 11:39 AM
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Leaving people alone *is* anti-social. you're deliberately misinterpreting the meaning of anti-social, I pray you're not this stupid so do yourself a favor and get it right anti-social behaviour, look it up No, it's NOT literally every woman. I recently just watched a woman who said she was complimented by catcalling when she got it in her younger years in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DmpA53ORz0 fascinating, still doesn't justify harassing women It can have positive interactions …
/r/MensRights18/08/25 10:41 PM
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contrary to the laws and customs of society, in a way that causes annoyance and disapproval in others. it's anti-social behaviour Ohh right, there's no issue with catcalling, of course, let's listen to 1 bloke on an MRA subreddit instead of literally every woman you could talk to about the topic. Fantastic Catcalling doesn't have positive intentions, it's the act of making unwelcome sexual remarks or gestures towards someone, often in a public space like a street. It makes people feel uncomforta…
/r/MensRights18/08/25 04:20 PM
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there is a relevant difference between adults catcalling little kids, and pupils at school making sexual and inappropriate comments towards each other given homophobic jeers were factored in its hardly a surprise boys and girls reach similar levels and the rest of the source does still confirm that women experience harassment at statistically significantly higher levels than men, and when men do get harassed a fair amount of time it's by other men. It also implies the frequency of harassment is …
/r/MensRights17/08/25 11:29 AM
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it's not really the sub to be giving stats on is it, Ppl would rather be outraged at women tackling the sexism they face rather than take some sort of intersectional approach
/r/MensRights16/08/25 12:31 PM
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sure, but this conversation is about catcalling, a phenomea women statistically face at much much higher rates https://www.ptsd.va.gov/professional/treat/type/sexual_assault_adult.asp#:~:text=Nearly%2044%25%20of%20women%20in,16%20and%20over%20(15). and even then, the statistics tell us clearly that women are more likely to be victimized
/r/MensRights16/08/25 11:18 AM
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https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/bulletins/perceptionsofpersonalsafetyandexperiencesofharassmentgreatbritain/16februaryto13march2022 wasn't that hard to find Also to note, a lot of catcalling experiences happen with young girls, like secondary school teenagers. This is not something boys are likely to ever experience Personal experience is valid, I've had a few similar experiences, difference for me personally is I've never really been made to feel unsafe and t…
/r/MensRights16/08/25 11:12 AM
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no-one is making it illegal to be an asshole, even the article on this topic states it's not an arrestable offence men having issues doesn't mean society should tolerate harmful and anti-social behaviours. Hold these guys accountable Harassment is genderless, issue is with catcalling it's something men do at staggeringly higher rates than women
/r/MensRights15/08/25 09:28 PM
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right... what does a poor legal system have to do with harassing women being linked to the UK falling?
/r/MensRights15/08/25 09:15 PM
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Can't even harass women no more, UK is fallen!
/r/MensRights15/08/25 09:06 PM
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Where are men going to jail for it? 'These behaviours may not be criminal offences in themselves, but they need to be addressed Very obviously true We have to ask: is that person going to escalate? Are they a sexual offender? We want to manage that risk early. seems reasonable, risk prevention is common sense, tackle sinister behaviour early, make them learn 'Surrey Police said that since they launched the 'Jog On' campaign four weeks ago, 18 arrests have been made for various offences including…
/r/MensRights15/08/25 09:05 PM
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It gets its data from official sources, there are simply vastly more official and verified sources that focus on violence / issues women face than there are for men
/r/MensRights15/08/25 11:59 AM
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Just get to know people before dating them. If you vibe and can be yourself around them and they make you happy great, move on with the relationship, if they don't then stop seeing them. if at some point they start being toxic talk to them about it, if this behaviour doesn't stop them break up with them none of the things op's mentioned in his post indicates he has any experience with relationships, or if it does it indicates he's dated some terrible or totally incompatible woman and seemingly d…
/r/MensRights14/08/25 07:33 PM
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don't have low standards?
/r/MensRights14/08/25 07:16 PM
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"Freedom of Speech", lol wtf does this mean and why is your perception of a girlfriend so fucking tragic, don't date horrible losers and you won't face this problem
/r/MensRights14/08/25 07:11 PM
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they're protecting women from harassment, the definition, not the legal one that we use to prosecute the nature of sexual harassment also muddies the waters since sexual harassment doesn't need to be repeated Protecting women from getting harassed and feeling intimidated for existing in public is not something that comes at the expense of genital mutilation. They're entirely different topics and there's no logic in pitting them against each other as if one needs to be worse than the other or els…
/r/MensRights13/08/25 06:55 PM
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But entrapment in the UK is based on this sense of luring people into committing a crime jogging down the street isn't a lure and why would anyone fight this? Surely they wouldn't have a case. "yes I harassed this women on the street but I didn't know she was a cop!"
/r/MensRights13/08/25 05:58 PM
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By going for a run they are essentially inducing people into harassing them? Christ, no wonder they need this type of initiative
/r/MensRights13/08/25 04:19 PM
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This comes in response to a surge of reports of women being followed, approached, catcalled, or harassed while out running, according to LBC. The operation has so far resulted in 18 arrests for offenses such as harassment, sexual attacks, and theft it can have a huge impact on people’s everyday lives and stops women from doing something as simple as going for a run. This behaviour is either a precursor to something more serious – or it’s ignorance, and it’s fixable. Really don't see a problem wi…
/r/MensRights13/08/25 04:17 PM
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is law enforcement inducing someone to commit a crime they otherwise would not have committed?
/r/MensRights13/08/25 04:13 PM
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??? in safeguarding the same definition is used when talking about radicalization and harmful / dangerous behaviors, it's literally informed by reality, by policy. It's connotations are perfectly accurate You're trying way too hard by comparing grooming, a perfect and accurate descriptor for this type of manipulation of vulnerable age groups, with middle ages alternative definitions of rape. It's coming across as super desperate Maybe you can explain why grooming is an inaccurate descriptor? Say…
/r/MensRights12/08/25 10:41 AM
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holy shit the definition is right there, what are you missing? The connotations are... the definition the connotations are always the same, young people being manipulated into dangerous or harmful behaviour. I'm using the term because by definition it's the best description of what's happening
/r/MensRights12/08/25 09:50 AM
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no, groomed is the appropriate word for being manipulated into ideologies i.e. little kids can get groomed into criminal behaviour you don't know what the word means and how it's applied in safeguarding, that's alright, but it's really embarrassing to act all pretentious when you're totally wrong form a relationship with (a child or young person) with the intention of sexually assaulting them or inducing them to commit an illegal act such as selling drugs or joining a terrorist organization. fuc…
/r/MensRights11/08/25 08:39 AM
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just don't date girls with avoidant attachment issues?
/r/MensRights10/08/25 03:58 PM
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unless you can outline the issues of the policy against radicalization introduced in 2015 and give some examples you're not going to be very convincing Prevent failed to act, it was a systematic failure, they weren't equipped to deal with non-ideologically charged violence. Something like religious extremist, or radical sexism are in a different ballpark
/r/MensRights10/08/25 01:28 PM
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and if that does happen we have a problem, but that isn't what's currently happening. You're fantasizing about made up scenarios to get outraged over I agree it's suboptimal, as you mention it's had its fair share of failures, especially in the vein of disproportionately targeting Muslims. But to make all this other shit up about it is frankly emotional, it's not based on reality, especially given this policy specifically targeting dangerous misogyny has been going on for 10 years You need to be…
/r/MensRights10/08/25 01:26 PM
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anti-terrorism is "radical left"? You should see the issues the policy faces regarding disproportionately targeting Muslims boys, that goes against the grain a tad no? You are making false equivalents because you don't understand the policy. This isn't about tame manosphere rhetoric, this is about dangerous radical far-right groomers preying on little boys
/r/MensRights10/08/25 01:20 PM
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if we're being honest Prevent probably does engage with suicide prevention indirectly, especially where self-harm or suicidal ideation is linked to extremist grooming or personal crisis. It's not about correct thinking either, it's about domestic terrorism. if you want to protect terrorists be my guest but I hardly think you'll get the government on your side. I'm also really not interested in fantasizing about make up scenarios where anti-terrorism becomes a slippery slope for extremely tame ma…
/r/MensRights10/08/25 01:18 PM
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noticing the way society treats the male gender - they are tools, no empathy, "sit down and shut up", "we don't need you", "you are replaceable and expendable", "you are the problem" this is not akin to the type of grooming and radicalization this policy attempts to address imagine hearing that all your life. imagine being sent to some courses designed to force you to accept that. As someone who is aware of what types of things Prevent looks to tackle, you come across as not having a clue about …
/r/MensRights10/08/25 11:58 AM
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young boys thinking seeing and most importantly NOTICING is threatening to the society what do you mean by this, what is being noticed? I think you underestimate the meaning of domestic terrorism It's genuinely beyond insulting to compare generic idk, MRA views to those of domestic terrorists. MRA isn't an immensely radical position, but here you are comparing it with domestic terrorism. Individuals getting groomed by extremist radicals and encouraging tangible harm to women. Not to mention how …
/r/MensRights10/08/25 11:43 AM
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what are these questions lol, focus on the topic at hand
/r/MensRights10/08/25 11:16 AM
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what the fuck are you on about dude, these ramblings have absolutely nothing to do with Prevent
/r/MensRights10/08/25 11:14 AM
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what do you mean by doing the same for women? Prevent is a gender neutral policy, Prevent aims to identify and support individuals vulnerable to radicalization, and It involves working with local authorities, police, charities, and community organizations to address the risks and offer support why are you commenting on Prevent when you seemingly have no clue what it's about?
/r/MensRights10/08/25 11:07 AM
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'Prevent' has been around since 2003 it's an anti-terrorusm measure, it protects kids from being groomed
/r/MensRights10/08/25 10:45 AM
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Prevent is an important and valuable aspect of education policy, it helps save young boys from radicalization be it influenced by religious extremism, sexism or other dangerous ideologies. This policy has been around for many many years, it's not some new thing It's not male hate, it's protecting young vulnerable boys from being groomed into radicalized traps which foster harmful, isolating and potentially dangerous attitudes. I'd argue hating boys would come across better if there were no measu…
/r/MensRights10/08/25 10:07 AM
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well yeah, in Korea women have more legal rights, more cultural freedoms. This same standard isn't afforded to women in 3rd world countries. In Korea having a child isn't financially realistic or desirable. In idk, Saudi Arabia women don't have a choice in the matter
/r/MensRights08/08/25 03:50 PM
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Housing Costs - Job Insecurity - Education expenses less women want to take on an overburdened domestic role, i.e. a dual burden, they don't want the career penalty of having a kid, and the work culture leaves little time for childcare Ppl are getting married later, focusing on independence and personal fulfillment over raising a family Small living spaces and limited community childcare support Loads of reasons, all of which you could literally just Google It's not a feminist narrative it's hav…
/r/MensRights08/08/25 02:02 PM
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wouldn't need the 4B movement if Korean men treated women better they do have a very misogynistic culture, this extreme reaction is an obvious reaction to the intense sexism they experience
/r/MensRights08/08/25 08:29 AM
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I've not moved, they all mean the same thing performative toxic gender stereotypes, often wielded like a shield I'm not making it hard to understand, you're not going to make any progress if you aren't going to argue against the fact that men suffer under toxic gender stereotypes It's pretty misandrist to pretend this isn't an issue men face
/r/MensRights03/08/25 05:35 PM
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never said it wasn't but this discrimination and toxic stereotyping is born from sexist gender norms, and perpetuated by people (especially insecure people) There are toxic interpretations of masculinity that hurt men
/r/MensRights03/08/25 05:15 PM
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no, the comments wouldn't have happened if not for these toxic gender stereotypes. Women never get these kinds of comments for pursuing primary care roles, there is a risk men do. that contrast alone speaks to the existence of people stuck in this outdated concept of strict gender roles which means alternative looks, interests, styles and career paths make you a target. To deny the existence of toxic gender roles literally means to deny the existence of the discrimination men face in regards to …
/r/MensRights02/08/25 09:21 AM
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toxic masculinity just means someone is exhibiting a harmful relationship with gender stereotypes. A man lashing out at non-adherence to these stereotypes is the same as when a woman doing it He would be establishing an unhealthy rule for masculinity She would equally be establishing an unhealthy rule for masculinity a better way to understand it would be to simply call it a toxic gender stereotype that concerns masculinity
/r/MensRights01/08/25 05:39 PM
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yeah, I'm in teaching now, these types of comments would happen before I became a teacher, and occasionally online from again, guys you can get similar opinion from women, I've not had that experience to near the same degree. Women tended to be a lot more positive in my experience growing up, I wouldn't get the same sexist comments guys would give
/r/MensRights01/08/25 02:22 PM
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it's a maturity thing, I'd hear loads of those jokes when I was still in school from classmates. There isn't really any context, it's guys telling ppl they're going into unconventional careers such as working in a primary school, and that's the response you get It doesn't rlly happen with adults other than the occasional terminally online freak but I don't really count them certain types of guys are so hooked into this type of performative masculinity, they're also insecure, and when they see a …
/r/MensRights01/08/25 12:05 PM
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there is a crisis of guys feeling emasculated by doing work that women typically do. I'm in teaching and I've had my fair share of flak from these types of men with their performative macho masculinity. They call you gay, they call you a pedophile, they emasculate you. This type of mentality and behaviour is what's these toxic aspects of insecure masculinity pertains to
/r/MensRights01/08/25 10:15 AM
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target demographic of jaded unstable teenagers j guess
/r/MensRights25/07/25 08:16 AM
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they did, men posted revenge porn of their exes and it got removed
/r/MensRights25/07/25 08:14 AM
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still don't know what it means though?
/r/MensRights24/07/25 10:13 AM
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never heard of the term Intersectionality?
/r/MensRights23/07/25 10:04 PM
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any sort of intersectional feminism
/r/MensRights23/07/25 04:21 PM
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True, it's a female dominated sphere now, but that is at the entry level currently. This is a relatively new trend alongside all those women in STEM initiatives. It's historically been very male dominated, as were most of the sciences and subsequent research. This is a relatively modern shift. It's less about reluctance and more than men were considered the basis for research, women were not asked or expected to participate, they were also viewed as less valuable participants due to sexist stere…
/r/MensRights18/04/25 01:17 PM
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ah no I was wrong, got my timelines mixed up, was thinking about higher education youre right, in the 60's, women were strongly incentivised into primary education due to the caregiver nature of the role. This actually started in the late 1800's and most of the 1900's, exacerbated by improvements to the welfare state. There was the growing social expectation that women suited those roles well (and inversely men were generally incentivised away because societally they were deemed less suited for …
/r/MensRights18/04/25 01:08 PM
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because in the 60's women weren't seen as intelligent enough or capable of teaching. And that more women were stay-at home mums and wouldn't have time to teach it's down now because women have proven themselves capable, but in turn have taken over the care roles since Primary school teaching is considered more nurturing. Women stereotypically take on the nurturing roles, with men stereotypically being pushed away from them. This is obviously not an ideal outlook, it has many problems as seen wit…
/r/MensRights18/04/25 09:23 AM
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just don't be pushy, don't overstay your welcome, don't try and convince them ask them out at an appropriate time, then immediately disengage and accept whatever answer they give, easy if you do that, you won't face any issues. Women have problems when guys hang around and don't take no for an answer, not for merely showing an interest and respecting their decision
/r/MensRights17/04/25 04:52 PM
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I'm actually in teaching, I don't face any of the issues mentioned in the video I've been massively favoured and consistently encouraged on how important it is to get guys in education, pretty much every member of staff saying similar things if it came up in conversation you do need to be extra aware and cautious I'm sure, some parents are mental, and I'm sure in a place like America you might need to take many extra steps to stay safe (but in the UK there isn't as much paranoia on the topic). B…
/r/MensRights17/04/25 04:48 PM
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I'm not sure, in my opinion education as a whole needs a total reform, assessments become more about ones ability to sponge and regurgitate information rather than more practical / applicable skills. Not to mention how poorly exam regurgitation is for SEND students. It's a tricky question and I'll happily say I'm not educated enough on policy / curriculum to make a helpful specific change I struggle to be specific and it's been a while since I learned about this topic but in general increased ro…
/r/MensRights23/10/24 05:04 PM
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I'm not sure about how relevant teacher bias is in this conversation but the feminisation of education is a relatively well established theory in sociology boys and girls' brains are a little different, the classroom environment is generally considered to be harder for boys than it is for girls, there is both biological and socialized influence. curriculum decisions. e.g. the move away from coursework hurt boys a lot more than it did girls. pair this with the severe lack of male role models in s…
/r/MensRights23/10/24 12:21 PM
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objectively better in what ways? of all the subs to be perpetuating stereotypes why pick one that tries to focus on equality
/r/MensRights23/10/24 12:01 PM
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but this is so anti-intellectual what's the point of parroting this psuedo-science if we want to go down the route that women aren't intelligent / don't use their brains (???), what about emotional intelligence? Something women are typically more in time with. It's still a form of intelligence and is fundamental for leadership roles in society. Being able to effectively empathize and co-ordinate and read body language / signals etc etc
/r/MensRights08/09/24 02:16 PM
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well yeah, when they provide no evidence and a majority of modern scientific studies contradict their claim obviously I would ask for some sort of proof. From what I gather they have none other than vague anthropological studies done by men in the 1940's, as if sexist assumptions didn't live and breed in those times.
/r/MensRights08/08/24 03:02 PM
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so... you have no real evidence, it's an assumption. Google scholar took me less than a minute and there were tonnes of articles that tackles this myth https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10306201/ this pretty well cited article was one I found which discussed how around 80% of early human women would hunt, 70% of which would do with intention (i.e. premeditated, planned, going out to get food). You don't need a man's strength when you're hunting with bows and spears i was also addressi…
/r/MensRights08/08/24 03:00 PM
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where is the evidence of this?
/r/MensRights07/08/24 04:57 PM
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this is a myth, all evidence suggests men and women functioned pretty equally in nomadic dynamics. Life wasn't so easy as to allow one half the tribe to simply sit around and do nothing, everyone was relied on to hunt / gather and both sexes did that equally
/r/MensRights07/08/24 03:00 PM
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it's a harmful societal gender norm / stereotype it comes from outdated principles and equally outdated family dynamics pushing a bastardized version of 'stoicism' and the idea that men MUST be sole providers / men leading households etc. The origin being spread from those in charge with the power (which at the time was dudes) spreading this idea that men are the dominant / provider sex, women are reliant and need to depend on men. As such, men needed to be strong and be able to protect this wea…
/r/MensRights07/08/24 02:56 PM
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no... they asked you to demonstrate empathy, and I don't think you managed it
/r/MensRights01/08/24 12:15 PM
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I see lots of people generally agree but it feels like it's only when it's convenient? Yes, in an ideal world men would have some degree of abortive rights, but that isn't the case as of yet, and many of the solutions don't seem realistic given the reality that women can physically abort the child, a man's equivalent still creates a life that you inarguably need to support and prioritize. Until the government comes up with some grand scheme and makes childcare affordable I just don't view it as …
/r/MensRights01/08/24 12:10 PM
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I agree, I just have an issue with how reactionary this sub can be because of the harm those types of shallow posts spread / the 1 deceptive narrative it paints
/r/MensRights01/08/24 12:01 PM
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not a majority of women I'm saying the attitude on this sub is that: a majority of false accusations are presented as coming from women (more specifically in the context of partners, upset exes or just psychotic female friends) it's never being proprotionally framed as if the false accusations come from concerned family members, friends or colleagues
/r/MensRights31/07/24 11:39 AM
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I'm not assuming the worst, I see posts every other day fear-mongering and I don't want the misconception to get out of hand. This isn't a statistic people even talk about on the sub, the discussion is consistently framed as if false accusations solely come from women. I'll gladly wait and ask you to prove me wrong and find a single post that doesn't frame it this way but honestly you'll have your work cut out for you
/r/MensRights31/07/24 11:32 AM
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I refuse to oversimplify abortion to such a degree though I comprehend that pregnancy is different for men than women, Im not interested in insulting women and glossing over the severe health / mental strain a full term pregnancy can bring along with it. I think that is relevant when discussing the topic It's about bodily autonomy, and women's health primarily. I don't believe anyone deserves a say over what another person does with their own body. I don't see any reason why I should be included…
/r/MensRights31/07/24 11:30 AM
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you don't solve this issue by misrepresenting data to claim that a majority of false accusations come from women, when that isn't the reality of the situation. There are much more sensible ways to hold women accountable and to criticize the societal attitudes surrounding the demonisation of men and the over sympathising of women than lying. Criticise performative hyper-macho culture, poke holes at the ideas that women within a family unit should submit / be wholly dependent on men, push the real…
/r/MensRights31/07/24 11:19 AM
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it's absolutely productive when you have swaths of people in this sub worried that there's this epidemic of vengeful women who ruin their ex's lives, when in reality a vast majority don't fit that bill. It's not 'Nitpicking', its correcting people's total misread of statistics. They are failing to comprehend the statistics so I am educating them so people don't form their opinions on ignorance. How are we supposed to tackle the problem of false accusations if a majority of people don't even / re…
/r/MensRights31/07/24 11:13 AM
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I don't understand the logic of a blanket ban, you're totally disregarding the 10% of victims who require it and as we have seen because of these bans women are being left bringing ectopic /unviable pregnancies to term, and being encouraged to progress their pregnancies into dangerous territory in order to get the abortion to fall under health and even if you magically find a way to solve those problems, you will still have women finding illegal and unsafe means of abortions, ultimately killing …
/r/MensRights31/07/24 11:03 AM
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because it's always conveniently left out of conversations on this sub I wanna make the important point that a majority of false accusations come from concerned family members, friends or colleagues. I see a lot of paranoia pedalled on this sub and I think it distracts from the conversation. the idea that women are rampantly falsely accusing exes is a misconception of the statistics. It definitely happens, but it's nowhere near commonplace. Understanding the context better explains why the accus…
/r/MensRights30/07/24 02:31 PM
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I don't think that changes much does it? we're seeing places in the States where women are being refused abortions for eptopic / unviable pregnancies until it starts causing them physical harm the issue simply goes above men's rights, it's about women's health, and there really isn't sufficient justification for an outright ban on the ability for women to have agency over their own bodies
/r/MensRights30/07/24 02:28 PM
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it's always been a fact that sexual crimes go woefully unpunished and this has always been an issue regardless of gender generally speaking it just isn't taken seriously, and often it's hard to prove, meaning rapists and assaulters way way way more often than not simply get off Scott free. Even when there is evidence it's often not enough to lead to a prosecution which is why convictions are so painfully low
/r/MensRights29/07/24 01:21 PM
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the whole point was that the comparisons made was silly. I then explain why it was silly, and how the two boundaries cannot be properly compared I also explain how it's a personal preference, regardless of gender you are allowed to have preferences, I did not introduce gender into the conversation, the reply did. The reply doesn't even defend women, it defends sexual activity. There is nothing in my comment that indicates men and women should be treated differently on the topic, I cannot compreh…
/r/MensRights26/05/24 07:17 PM
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I try to be very clear that gender stereotypes negatively impact both men and women, often in different ways My original comment AND my reply to the overall point was gender neutral, porn addiction is bad regardless of wether you're a man or a women. The reply I got to that comment was someone trying to turn it into an oppression Olympics putting men against women. People make points and I address them. It's not my problem people are refusing to accept the reality that men and women can both be …
/r/MensRights26/05/24 07:08 PM
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these 'tropes' are extensively studies sociological theories you can go onto Google Scholar and search up Gender Stereotypes and you'll be swamped with scientific peer reviewed journals on the subject. That's why I'm saying this is scientific, because discussion on the topic has been studied and vetted through official bodies. It is a very superficial view of the problems men face. it was one simplistic example of a pronounced gender stereotype. Id happily go into more detail but I didn't think …
/r/MensRights26/05/24 07:04 PM
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they are sociological talking points, of course I'm reiterating them I'm actually educated on the topics. I'm approaching it from a theoretical / scientific point of view, you haven't actually given any particularly valid criticism for why any of what is said is incorrect You're talking as if what you're saying is at odds with what I'm saying too which doesn't make sense. I brought up gender stereotypes, how certain norms or expectations placed onto men can be harmful. That extends to concepts l…
/r/MensRights24/05/24 11:06 PM
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I think this slightly misses the mark the blame is not being placed on men, thinking so is misinterpreting what's being said in the video. the blame here is being placed on the harmful norms or expectations placed onto men through sexist stereotypes via socialisation. I.E. attitudes such as 'boys don't cry' being used as a means of shunning and emasculating men when they display emotional vulnerability or vocalise these emotions. Perceiving it as some kind of 'weakness' despite the reality being…
/r/MensRights24/05/24 07:02 PM
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but this is crazy, I don't see one man and think they're all rapists because a couple dudes rape. I don't see one Christian and think they're all murderers because in the early AD's we had the odd Crusade. It's just a genuinely unhinged way of thinking that I can't fathom following it's so anti-intellectual, refusing to look past a surface level into the insightful sociological theory that informs these different schools of thought. if you removed 'Feminist' from 'Intersectionality' would you en…
/r/MensRights21/04/24 03:41 PM
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Intersectionality is merely a sociological framework / lens of sorts, through which you analyze and make sense of social phenomena. It doesn't go much beyond that, it's a way of thinking, it can help inform say policy decisions but the framework itself is not a guide for action. Big words to say it's a useful way of analyzing society, especially so in the context of this sub and the way gender influences the way people are treated
/r/MensRights21/04/24 03:32 PM
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agree with pretty much everything you've said, identity politics is exhausting and often invited unhelpful generalizations. It's useful for organizing / inciting change but on an individual level as you outlined not so much. I was more just trying to move away from labels in favour of the theory itself. Intersectionality as a framework is perfectly valid in its own right, however as soon as a 'feminist' connotation is added suddenly the framework loses all credibility. The justification boils do…
/r/MensRights21/04/24 03:25 PM
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Google Scholar - 'harmful effects of excessive porn consumption' take your pick of the hundreds of results, scientific research can be open to bias but this is so excessively documented I find it hard to believe otherwise. Also, generally good practice to analyze biased research further and figure out what parts of the methodology may be biased. Even biased bodies can provide insightful results assuming their methods are solid and discussions are cited / justified
/r/MensRights21/04/24 03:15 PM
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it's up to the individuals tbh, different people have different standards. women going clubbing isn't really a solid comparison, the two are very different in how limiting they are / the implications that follow each. you're allowed to refuse to let your partner clubbing, but you should also expect pushback and to be asked for valid justification. There also isn't the same kind of valid justification for defending excessive harmful porn consumption than there is with being uncomfortable with a p…
/r/MensRights21/04/24 03:09 PM
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but an anecdote is not convincing, I'm basing judgement on the standards set out by the scientific field if a group doesn't have the funds to appropriately collect data they can adapt, pull a smaller sample size, all number of sample accommodations or methodological tweaks to accommodate a limite budget it's doesn't make sense to me that funded scientific research would get approved if the study's design did not meet the criteria, let along make it past other checks such as peer reviewing. If a …
/r/MensRights21/04/24 02:46 PM
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this is wild lol, a feminism x Nazis parallel is unhinged I beg you educate yourself even slightly on some aspect of feminist theory, hell start small with what an ideology is none of what you said remotely addressed my point about how intersectionality is a useful approach to social issues, you've just made up a delusional parallel in your own head to discredit a point I'm not making. Respond to my comment please, respond to the points I've actually made, stop shadowboxing the made up Nazis in …
/r/MensRights20/04/24 11:20 PM
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It does makes sense, people are increasingly choosing not to identify with feminism because of how the entire ideology is being shoved in 1 box. Especially when people maybe aren't so confident in their stance / identity I just also don't think it makes sense to accommodate people's ignorance. Bottom line, feminism originated as a ideology fighting for equal rights. Intersectionality is a branch of feminism that looks at how gender interacts with society, and someone being an intersectional femi…
/r/MensRights20/04/24 03:46 PM
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were they scientific surveys? because published scientific research goes through multiple layers of scrutiny and classifications that require you establish at least some level of statistical significance with your results. there are measures that sort of act like validity criteria that you have to meet. It's also anecdotal, the scientific field doesn't appear to follow the same rules you did, or at least from what I understand from my educational psychology degree if you want to criticize an int…
/r/MensRights20/04/24 03:33 PM
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if a medical professional makes a video supporting the utilisation of hormone blockers, would that be a problem? Or someone discussing topics of / surrounding gender affirming treatment? What you're saying is also entirely anecdotal and I think intentionally vague, which makes it all remarkably unconvincing
/r/MensRights20/04/24 03:21 PM
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because excessive porn consumption can be harmful, negatively impacting the sex lives of the person addicted and whoever they're getting involved with
/r/MensRights20/04/24 02:47 PM
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I don't think there's anything wrong with someone having a preference / boundary that they don't want their partner being addicted to or watching unhealthy amounts of porn. I wouldn't really label it insecurity the other two points are also perfectly valid, if porn is getting in the way of a healthy sex life then the porn is the problem. porn can demonstrably corrupt people's perception of sex, even if people know it's fake when it's all you're exposed to there will inevitably be people who carr…
/r/MensRights20/04/24 02:43 PM
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but this is like saying any sort of interview based approach to data collection / analysis is completely worthless because people can lie this is a bold statement to make, to outright reject the validity and insights interviews / questionnaires etc can provide, to refuse the idea that this data can demonstrate general statistical trends. People can lie, but people can also tell the truth, it's why interviews and questionnaires are such staples of scientific studies. You need to be much more crit…
/r/MensRights20/04/24 02:32 PM
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You seem to be dismissive of it but is that not a valid point? people forget how diverse of an ideology feminism is, you're guaranteed to find certain subgroup that comment on how men can be disadvantaged in society
/r/MensRights20/04/24 02:21 PM
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yeah, people seem to forget what all the different waves of feminism were about. It started off at a fundamental level which ultimately left out the struggles of e.g. classism, Black women, then there were subsequent waves for lgbt women etc. it's confusing why people still treat feminism as 1 unchanging monolith despite how immensely diverse the ideology is
/r/MensRights20/04/24 09:49 AM
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if anything wouldn't it be worse for trans men? not only do they experience people outright rejecting their existence / challenging their human rights, they ALSO face misandry on top of that given they're a passing trans man . Not that it's the oppression Olympics as people seem to be trying to make it, noone like a victim complex. But just at a basic level wouldn't it be logical to acknowledge that much?
/r/MensRights20/04/24 09:34 AM
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you'd probably be better off debunking existing sources, i.e. criticising sampling methods or what the articles label as sexual harassment since numbers may seem inflated depending on how its being defined. Simply saying 'they're biased' isn't a valid reason to ignore potentially insightful data without proving why they're biased or how they're manipulating statistics etc. that being said, it doesn't seem particularly unfounded that sexual harassment numbers would be so high if we're defining se…
/r/MensRights18/04/24 04:28 PM
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the 'feminisation of education' is a pretty widely acknowledged phenomena within educational sociology. Google Scholar will have loads of articles if you search that buzzwork
/r/MensRights18/04/24 04:18 PM
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There is a general issue (especially in this generally right leaning sub) of grappling with traditional Conservative values, and a wider push for more blanket equality. It boils down to gender stereotypes. They're outdated and don't consistently fit with modern society but people still typically conform to the gender norms, i.e. men as providers, the 'ideal' nuclear family structure. There is acknowledgement that these traditional gender stereotypes can disadvantage men, i.e. men are more likely…
/r/MensRights15/04/24 10:03 AM
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I don't think it makes much sense to make a point against censorship whilst asserting content you don't agree with should be censored. Especially when considering the history of LGBT topics being suppressed and/or misrepresented as sexual, attempts at grooming or inappropriate for children
/r/MensRights15/04/24 09:46 AM
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important to understand that a majority of false accusations come from friends, family and coworkers etc it's a relevant statistics since there's the misconception that a majority of the time false accusations are coming from vengeful ex types
/r/MensRights14/04/24 08:21 PM
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we're talking about gendered expectations within society. the same way men are expected to pay for meals, women are expected to wear makeup as other comments have explained, a lot of trouble comes from the stereotypes that gauges a mans value on his ability to provide / pay for things. flip the coin and the stereotypes that gauges a women's value are based on her sex appeal obviously no one's forcing men or women to do either of these things, but there are an undeniable set of gendered expectati…
/r/MensRights12/04/24 05:29 PM
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Intersectional feminism can address MRA issues pretty well
/r/MensRights12/04/24 04:30 PM
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this is probably negligible if we consider the makeup industry and the amounts women tend to spend on it (assuming we agree with the stereotype that women are expected to wear makeup)
/r/MensRights12/04/24 04:27 PM
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I truly believe some form of therapy would help you process these emotions The horribly negative self-talk, hitting yourself (self-harming) and breaking down, vowing to never open up again is not going to address them If therapy isn't the route you want to go down / aren't ready for yet there are always smaller steps you can take for healthier self-regulation. Strong hobbies, close friendships, self-care such as eating well / taking care of your body. Journaling too can be an immensely useful to…
/r/MensRights12/04/24 01:13 PM
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It’s important to acknowledge that representation isn’t everything. It still leaves room for bias and misrepresentation. Critical Psychology is a good approach for understanding this better i.e. Mainstream Psychology tends to represent males and females in reductionist ways, with each binary pole carrying loaded meanings. Men/Masculinity as superior, representing Strength, Independence, Rational, and Women/Femininity as negative, representing Passivity, Irrationality, Weakness and dependence (Wi…
/r/MensRights12/02/24 07:36 PM
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yeah it’s hard to give any value ‘Tory MP among the 97% of people accused of rape who are not taken to court’
/r/MensRights12/02/24 07:03 PM
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important to note that the majority of false accusations come from friends / family / colleagues rather than solely from beneficial individuals. This helps to explain the huge variety seen in statistics concerning accusations
/r/MensRights31/01/24 01:30 PM
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so… roll over and accept a ‘standard’ that shouldn’t be tolerated? Why? people have free will why is there an expectation that they shouldn’t use it
/r/MensRights31/01/24 12:34 PM
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societal norms are created by those in power and often instilled through things like policy and/or cultural / national attitudes even if we just strip it down to statistics that would mean the societal norms are created by men they can be perpetuated by members of society, people can pass down / inherit stereotypes from society, but i really can’t figure out how you come to the conclusion that ‘most of social norms are created by women’. This doesn’t hold up to general theory about social norms …
/r/MensRights31/01/24 12:33 PM
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that’s great, who would want to be in a relationship with someone who is not there to support you and lacks empathy?
/r/MensRights29/01/24 01:26 PM
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what a weird thing to say gender norms are harmful, they create a lot of the issues men talk about every single day on this sub, yet here you are trying to reinforce them? what’s the rationale? why should men / women feel obligated to live to a stereotype that doesn’t universally fit? or as you imply reap some sort of punishment for not fitting in to your strict gender norm
/r/MensRights29/01/24 01:24 PM
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mindfulness is neither masculine or feminine, self-focus and meditation works great, there’s no need for shoehorning in gendr
/r/MensRights27/01/24 05:47 PM
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love, label, security, certain privileges afforded to married couples in regards to finances as long as people are sensible with prenups and shared accounts
/r/MensRights27/01/24 05:33 PM
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do women not do this so much? or would that be a separate issue of harmful expectations held against men in terms of showing vulnerability
/r/MensRights27/01/24 05:28 PM
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laundry is a domestic chore. It’s a typical action that is consistently repeated alongside cleaning, cooking, groceries. They are predicable, tangible tasks every household completes on a repeated basis. That isn’t the same as… opening a pickle jar (ignoring how nuanced such a thing is, i’m sure women are more than capable of running a jar under hot water)
/r/MensRights27/01/24 05:24 PM
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I agree but i’d say more society in general, it makes sense one group may be more concerned / involved with gender norms if it directly applies to them but men and women are both subject to social expectations around gender and the numerous implications what ‘being a man/woman’ holds You can say the same about men who want to dress like a bum as lawyer, but it's only problem when women want this, beacuse men know that your look it's part of your job but that’s about a job, dress codes are common…
/r/MensRights27/01/24 05:21 PM
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exactly, men and women are both advantaged and disadvantaged in different ways as a result of harmful gender stereotypes as you and i’ve both pointed out it’s all about keeping in mind that certain perceived privileges may not be as they appear. i.e. another commented mentioned sugar daddies, or men paying for their girlfriends cosmetics. This could be a privilege, but equally it could be a source of oppression. i.e. women must wear makeup in order to be valued / desirable in society, whereas me…
/r/MensRights27/01/24 05:14 PM
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i’m sure that’s a factor albeit a fading one in newer generations i’d still argue for the average woman this wouldn’t be the case, and they’re still faced with pressure / criticisms if they don’t pursue the beauty standard for women
/r/MensRights27/01/24 05:08 PM
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it’s pretty widespread Medical research has always centred around this Straight White Western Man blueprint with this only recently being pushed back on. Research historically exclusively tested men, and then has those results generalised to the rest of the population. This of course means women are underrepresented and healthcare is inappropriately applied in some cases. Gender bias is a pretty massive topic within medicine / medical psychology and is an extensively explored field. Google schol…
/r/MensRights23/01/24 05:30 PM
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doesn’t data / research into the emotional burden generally fall on women more of the time? Or are we talking about more general basic relationship stuff like being there for your partner?
/r/MensRights23/01/24 05:22 PM
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opening a pickle jar is truly a trivial contribution in the scope of discussions around domestic / emotional labour. It’s simply not a significant statistic, it’s not worth analysing, it’s not a important variable for scientific research
/r/MensRights23/01/24 05:20 PM
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Intersectional Feminism works pretty well for acknowledging the different ways people can be advantaged / disadvantaged depending on race, gender, class etc
/r/MensRights23/01/24 05:14 PM
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women tend to spend more because a lot of their ‘societal value’ is tied to beauty, there’s more sexualisation. because of this societal expectation, women are more likely to spend money on fashion / makeup, since they’re more likely to receive negative judgements for not meeting their sexualised criteria
/r/MensRights23/01/24 01:49 PM
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but in a the context of social sciences gender is an essential component the reason why you see statistically significant trends of men acting according to these toxic gender stereotypes comes from the performative implications they see that come with ‘being a man’. this behaviour is intrinsically linked to their (toxic / skewed) perception of what masculinity is. That’s why men exhibit this type of extreme stereotypes behaviour so much more than women do, because there’s no gender motivation be…
/r/MensRights03/09/23 08:47 PM
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Isn’t it normal for people in that country to kiss each other all the time from greetings to farewells? maybe with close family? but that would typically be on the cheek, and they tend to be consensual. So this excuse falls woefully short of justifying this dudes behaviour since it’s not a family / close friend dynamic, and it wasn’t consensual Besides how exactly would this constitute a sexual assault by having someone peck another person on the lips, … it’s one of those happy moments for even …
/r/MensRights03/09/23 04:58 PM
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not sure where this interpretation comes from, it doesn’t sound much like the foundational beliefs of inter-sectionalism intersectional feminism would looks at the advantages and disadvantages that come from a persons political and social identities in the case of the working class man, intersectional feminism would acknowledge the various disadvantages he may face as a result of his social / political identities (such as class) it’s not really an ‘oppression olympics’, it’s a way of analysing t…
/r/MensRights02/09/23 02:15 PM
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i want for you to be interested in educating yourself, and to not be held back by intentional ignorance you don’t know what it is, you don’t know what they stand for, so look into it. Figure out what it means before you criticise it this is the issue with such a firm ‘us vs them’ mentality, you end up refusing to cooperate and let uneducated biases get in the way of helpful discussions around gender equality
/r/MensRights02/09/23 02:06 PM
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and it’s important to understand why they are shitty and what motivates it, so we then can nurture overall healthier behaviours and steer people away from toxicity
/r/MensRights02/09/23 01:53 PM
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this type of black and white ‘oppression olympics’ mentality doesn’t really make any sense in todays society, men and women are both advantaged and disadvantaged in similar and differing ways throughout society, structurally and socially. these gender-oriented perks and drawbacks are influenced by variables such as Class, Ethnicity, Culture, Environment, Social Capital etc etc your question is essentially framing it as if ‘men have it worse’, which isn’t helping anything other than feeding into …
/r/MensRights02/09/23 01:21 PM
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you can be sexually assaulted regardless of your sexual orientation. if a straight women slaps a gay man’s ass, is it suddenly no longer sexual harassment? a man, without consent, kissed this woman on the lips. That is not okay, that shouldn’t be okay, the last thing you should be doing is excusing this man’s behaviour she may have tried to laugh it off or didn’t immediately object to it (as many women do) because it’s: an uncomfortable situation, people can freeze up, she didn’t want to make a …
/r/MensRights02/09/23 01:11 PM
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do you know what intersectional feminists generally stand for?
/r/MensRights01/09/23 07:55 PM
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that doesn’t make gender any less integral to the conversation though because it absolutely shapes how the the toxicity and behaviours are are expressed, there are unique interactions that vary immensely depending on gender and context i.e. women don’t typically display the toxic traits of unhealthy ‘stoicism’, there is less shame surrounding expressing emotions and seeking support. Therefore, gender is important in the conversation because it allows us to approach and understand the possible ge…
/r/MensRights01/09/23 07:42 PM
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intersectional feminism tends to actually criticise the types of radical attitudes you’re probably thinking of feminism isn’t some single hive-mind body, it’s an immensely diverse ideology
/r/MensRights01/09/23 04:38 PM
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but it is very much rooted in gender i think ppl struggle with the distinction, these behaviours are not inherent to men or women, but rather they are born out of extreme or misguided interpretations and expectations towards gender expression / stereotypes. Gender is very much an undeniable catalyst for these behaviours
/r/MensRights01/09/23 04:21 PM
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it’s important to recognise the reason why some of these people may exhibit these toxic behaviours, and how it is directly linked to their skewed and extreme interpretations of gender expression / norms. Gender is an important aspect of the conversation, it’s a relevant force, especially when you look at how toxic behaviours can differ depending on gender, and how gender stereotypes play into these phenomena it’s important to understand the link, because otherwise you never address the root caus…
/r/MensRights01/09/23 04:11 PM
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of course it’s not a good reflection of the real world, it’s parody, it’s not supposed to be taken quite as literally as people seem to be taking it just look at how the patriarchy is conveyed in Barbieland, it’s an obvious jab at the ridiculousness of ‘performative masculinity’. Ken with his outrageous outfits, obsession with looking cool, and ofc horses. Other examples of feminist movies could be things like American Psycho. It’s a piece of media that massively exaggerates a phenomena in order…
/r/MensRights01/09/23 03:48 PM
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didn’t they do that in the movie? are the comments here missing something?
/r/MensRights01/09/23 03:24 PM
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if someone’s instant reaction to the movie is to get offended or defensive, some people may interpret that reaction as coming from a place of ignorance or hostility towards women / women’s struggles. Or equally, they may do the whole ‘switch the gender’ trope, which is so tiresome because these guys only care about men’s rights when they can use them to argue against / invalidate women’s rights. Something you’ll see relentlessly when casually browsing this sub so it’s a litmus test because it ca…
/r/MensRights01/09/23 03:22 PM
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They make out that the way “the Ken’s” are treated in Barbieland is the same way women are treated in “the real world”. it’s a parody of the real world. It is a piece of media depicting something with a deeper meaning through the use of hyperbole. it’s not intended to be taken quite so literally, hence the metaphors and intentionally outrageous depictions. Except women make up almost half of SCOTUS, whereas the “more equal Barbieland” refused to have a Ken on their Supreme Court, only having one…
/r/MensRights31/08/23 05:17 PM
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for the most part it is pretty fair A big moment in the movie is Ken learning to exist and be happy his own identity, evolving from his previous identity being centred around Barbie, and the attention he gets from her the movie parodies patriarchy, so the supposed mistreatment of men on the film is actually a critique of the current inequality. (i.e. Ken learning to live a self contained life is a parody of how women tend to be viewed as extensions of men or how they exist to serve men, i.e. Mar…
/r/MensRights31/08/23 01:11 PM
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I think i understand better? The way i see it, most feminist movements don’t agree with the implications that women are any less capable than men rather, they are looking at wider society, and are actively challenging those types of ideas (harmful gender stereotypes) from most feminist perspectives, these harmful gender stereotypes are the cause of women’s oppression (so they reject them, they say they are false), these stereotypes are what creates the inequality e.g for the example of women gen…
/r/MensRights15/07/23 04:51 PM
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would it not be reasonable to suggest this male dominated circle (at least historically) has placed limits on the progress women could make? Setting legal limitations and sewing social sentiments that perhaps dissuade or deter women from reaching the same potential suggesting men simple ‘work harder and learn to understand stuff’ is really unconvincing, especially when we consider gender stereotypes, and how social attitudes towards gender may have limited women in the past
/r/MensRights15/07/23 02:30 PM
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not entirely sure i follow depends which sort of ‘genre’ of feminist we’re talking about if it’s some more ‘biological determinist’ type group (e.g. i think Simone Debouvioir?? i can’t spell), then maybe. Personally i would view that vein of feminism as counterproductive at best. But groups such as ‘Intersectional Feminism’, would point to these strict gender stereotypes as the issue. Men and women both disadvantaged in some areas of society, and advantaged in others. But i’m not entirely sure w…
/r/MensRights15/07/23 02:21 PM
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misogyny isn’t just ‘hatred’, it extends to prejudice too the points i mentioned could be seen as examples of prejudice, wherein women are being labelled / placed in this sort of distinct vulnerable, weak and dependent category separate from men. Men are now ‘protectors’, and women ‘in need of protection’, regardless of how realistic such a dynamic actually is. id argue it’s a tough case to call that a ‘privileged position’ Women haven’t been allowed to work certain careers thinking of combat se…
/r/MensRights15/07/23 02:00 PM
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Bit disheartening to see all these comments rejecting the claim without any sort of tangible justification. I really don’t like the reactionary ideas this sub constantly falls victim to women are a very protected and revered class and are granted all sorts of special privileges there’s the answer, women historically have been placed in these protective bubbles. It may seem a privilege, but the implications of this protection boils down to sexist sentiments that women can’t / shouldn’t be indepen…
/r/MensRights14/07/23 12:37 PM
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it’s sort of a weird reality when gender gets discussed online, especially in opinionated spaces people struggle to cope with someone talking about issues specifically related to one gender, or if they can’t personally relate, attempt to insert their own personal experiences (sometimes inappropriate when considering how individual experience can be influenced by gender) it’s why you see so many ppl in this sub fantasise about double standards, or responding to issues women face with a ‘but if it…
/r/MensRights14/07/23 12:27 PM
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and that’s anecdotal. I explained that the problem isn’t ‘men’ or ‘women’, the problem is a deeper, socially constructed bias. restricting your blame to men or women is getting huffy at the consequences, rather than the root of the issue, which distracting and unhelpful You said how men are emasculated because of jobs they do like healthcare, teacher etc. Which doesn't make sense since OPs post wasn't about that And i said that in response to a comment that was attacking / emasculating men who d…
/r/MensRights13/07/23 10:05 AM
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i’m just pointing out how is choice is unreasonable. He’s allowed to have those ‘boundaries’ but that doesn’t mean he’s beyond criticism being in a relationship and expecting your partner to totally change such a core aspect of their life for you is not respecting them or their autonomy. You need respect and communication / compromise in a relationship, Jonah demonstrated neither
/r/MensRights13/07/23 09:43 AM
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calling it a ‘boundary’ is a bit of a stretch Slamming the professional surfer girlfriend with an ultimatum about essentially give up her professional / social / online autonomy for him when he KNOWS she’s a pro surfer and all of his qualms were clearly something that comes with the package. Jonah if anything else is a fucking idiot for pursuing such an relationship, assuming we don’t dip into the abusive undertones It comes across a lot more like an attempt at controlling her life professionall…
/r/MensRights10/07/23 05:04 PM
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refresher of what a healthy boundary is: a boundary is a healthy limit a person sets for themselves to protect their well-being and integrity it’s a guideline for what an individual seems as acceptable behaviour towards them and how they’ll respond if those limits are pushed Notice how it’s personal and centred around the individual themselves, a personal limit.
/r/MensRights10/07/23 05:01 PM
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You're still trying to debate the definition of a word like it matters at all it’s not a debate though, the term ‘boundary’ is so immensely important to the conversation. I’ve given you the definition, it’s up to you whether or not you accept that definition What Jonah is actually doing is dictating which behaviours and friendships sarah is allowed to have, essentially instructing her on: who she can be friends with +/+ what she can do professionally This is not an example of healthy boundary se…
/r/MensRights10/07/23 04:58 PM
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it’s not semantics Jonah is harmfully misusing the concept of ‘personal boundaries’ in order to exert control over his girlfriend We both know this, it’s super fucking obvious, hence why you have been unable to justify Jonas ‘boundaries’ over i.e. who she can be friends with / surfing with men. Because they are unreasonable and toxic ‘boundaries’. Jonah did not approach the relationship with the other persons autonomy in mind. That’s the problem. Approach these personal insecurities through conv…
/r/MensRights10/07/23 01:44 PM
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Ah so you've taken the Orwellian strategy of playing semantics with the word "boundaries" i explained what a healthy boundary should look like in a relationship Jonah hill’s is an example of ‘Therapyspeak’, or essentially disguising or justifying unreasonable / controlling terms Just like I can say I'm not going to get in a relationship with a woman who fucks other men That’s a reasonable and healthy boundary, let’s not pretend this is ‘just as valid’ as wanting your professional surfer girlfrie…
/r/MensRights10/07/23 11:41 AM
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Not sure why Jonah Hill is being defended here a boundary is a healthy limit a person sets for themselves to protect their well-being and integrity it’s a guideline for what an individual seems as acceptable behaviour towards them and how they’ll respond if those limits are pushed A boundary, is not telling your professional surfer girlfriend that she is not permitted to do her job in the vicinity of any men or dictating who she can and cannot be friends with This is controlling behaviour, not a…
/r/MensRights10/07/23 10:57 AM
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Why leave out the part where Jonah also said that the professional surfer cannot surf with other men, as well as Jonah deciding who she can and cannot be friends with? His behaviour was not respectful and these were not remotely healthy ‘boundaries’.
/r/MensRights10/07/23 10:54 AM
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is that important in this specific convo tho? The issue is there’s a harmful stereotype within society that men and women sometimes express, seen in the original comment i replied to. It doesn’t make much sense to point blame to specific groups when the root problem is systemic
/r/MensRights10/07/23 10:47 AM
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You’re totally right, it’s not getting the whole picture the root of the problem is better explained in sociology, through ‘gender norms’. Society / Culture basically shapes attitudes or opinions surrounding how men and women should stereotypically ‘behave’ or ‘act’ or ‘present’, and the inhabitants of that society generally inherit these norms and values through education, entertainment, media, family etc etc. People then typically act ‘in line’ with this taught social norm, or else risk being …
/r/MensRights09/07/23 03:48 PM
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You ‘proved’ that society would fall without these jobs. You didn’t prove it needed men like, Ofc society would fall if you suddenly jumped in millions of years down the line and sliced the population in half. Humans adapt, if there were suddenly no male firefighters for whatever reason, more women would end up fighting the fires. All you’ve really proven is that gender stereotypes exist and you wanna reinforce them. Can you try answer some of the questions in my comment before
/r/MensRights09/07/23 03:38 PM
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superheroes are superheroes, it has nothing to do with gender All we’re seeing is a historically generally male dominated medium (superhero comics) branch out into a more universal scene. As such, you’re gunna be seeing more female superheroes on the big screen than we did before. also, female superheroes have always existed in the comics, it’s just recently the mainstream has recognised there is a growing film market for female superheroes and it’s filling that space. There’s a demand that is b…
/r/MensRights09/07/23 03:14 PM
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It didn’t work because your reasoning is flawed none of the things you mentioned really demonstrate ‘how men are useful’. You just listed off a couple stereotypically masculine jobs that women are also capable of. what are your implications when saying this? What are you proving? Why are these examples of how useful men are?
/r/MensRights09/07/23 02:54 PM
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isn’t it a little weird to shame people for pursuing careers that align with their own personal interests and strengths? Some guys aren’t suited for hard manual labour, some women are suited for it, people should be able to do what they want without worrying it’s just a pretty boring attitude. It’s why we see a lack of men in primary care and teaching, insecure wierdos feeling the need to emasculate others because they chose a career that isn’t ’masculine enough’
/r/MensRights09/07/23 02:42 PM
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what were you debating? it just looks like a boring childish argument the point that men are ‘needed’ because they can… fight in wars, build houses and fight fires? what a horribly short-sighted and outdated standard for men’s worth, what kinda message do you think it sends?
/r/MensRights09/07/23 02:36 PM
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the only thing to really do is prove them wrong, don’t engage with the hateful narrative and gently educate. It’s a sensitive topic and does need to be approached with a bit more patience than people tend to afford
/r/MensRights09/07/23 02:31 PM
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The internet just acts as an easy outlet / source of community for people who may otherwise may not have access to one. i.e. within their local community, family / friends / peers may not be tolerant, but online they can find groups who are. It’s reinforced the gradual legal and social steps towards tolerance in the West The internet is vast, you’ll find maybe different ‘ideological pockets’, my best guess as to why many may lean left is down to age and how that links with LGBT tolerance. There’…
/r/MensRights09/07/23 02:25 PM
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it’s a life altering commitment though even if it’s not for life, the partners may still make significant financial / educational / professional decisions and/or sacrifices. It still makes sense to me to ensure both partners are able to function post/divorce rather than ripping away rugs and leaving people potentially homeless / impoverish / vulnerable. It’s the better of the two evils and if ppl are really afraid just sign a prenup, have personal bank accounts with a separate shared pool. There…
/r/MensRights06/06/23 02:00 PM
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young people are getting married later and less often than older people are yes But this conversation is around divorce in general, not just divorce in older generations what’s the point in cutting out important data? Ignoring different variables doesn’t achieve anything. 20% odd of young people are getting married, that’s not insignificant, this perspective is undeniably relevant and important to the conversation. it just doesn’t make any sense to cut out young ppl from the conversation of divo…
/r/MensRights06/06/23 01:54 PM
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If you don't want to be responsible for a marriage, then don't get married... The only thing "forcing" someone to take responsibility is the fact that they took the vows. the vows are typically made on the grounds of love, that’s why many people get married but, people can fall out of love. it’s natural, no one’s to blame, it just happens. The reason for the marriage is no longer there, and a ‘loveless marriage’ can easily turn toxic / generally unfulfilling for both individuals marriage as a mo…
/r/MensRights06/06/23 01:47 PM
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Who's forcing people to get married? I'm pretty sure that's illegal most countries, especially in developed nations. I said people shouldn’t be forced to take responsibility for marriage. As in, you can’t force people to stay in a marriage just because they signed some vows in the past. Especially when acknowledging the culture / perception of marriage today. It’s just not universally considered an ‘eternally binding’ obligation The lack of no-fault divorce does not preclude the possibility of d…
/r/MensRights03/06/23 11:59 AM
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i was just outlying the vaguely authoritarian sentiments of your point, didn’t mean to offend ;(
/r/MensRights03/06/23 11:48 AM
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i’m going by the ideological / social science based definition. ‘Marxist Feminists’ are an example i mentioned to display the diversity within feminism i don’t really understand what definition you’re coming from
/r/MensRights03/06/23 11:45 AM
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Trans people account for less than 1% of the US population according to UCLA school of law. Yet measures advocated by the trans lobby at times are aimed to compel authoritarian measures on the other 99%… This isn’t really a morally sound argument to make, it does not matter how small a group within society is they still deserve equal rights. That’s what underpins the trans rights movements, regardless of the spin you try and put on its. The media coverage of the issue is way out of scope to the …
/r/MensRights03/06/23 11:41 AM
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that’s very true and the types to place more emphasis on marriage may typically be more likely to also fit more neatly into the traditional nuclear family. There is a wider cultural shift, marriage rates are declining, and people are getting married later, there’s an increase in couples: cohabiting / ‘Living Apart Together’ etc but i still feel it’s important to acknowledge the changing dynamics. There are still young people who are getting married, they can’t be completely dismissed or ignored …
/r/MensRights02/06/23 11:23 AM
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but that’s a generalisation you’re focusing on a specific niche of gold-diggers, or over exaggerating the relationship dynamics of older generations, in favour of ignoring the often more equally financially distributed dynamics in younger generations that perspective is too narrow
/r/MensRights02/06/23 11:19 AM
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this massively overestimates the significance of marriage in modern society People don’t and shouldn’t be forced to ‘take responsibility’ for something like marriage That type of strict almost binding attitude towards marriage just cultivates such an abusive culture miserable couples enduring a miserable marriage for the sake of… pride? obligation? despite all the serious negative implications / harm doing so can do. Modern Western Secular Marriage is not a solid enough ‘contract’ to justify the…
/r/MensRights02/06/23 11:16 AM
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you’re telling people how to live i’m explaining to you that people should be able to live the way they want, without being judged or shamed i’m criticising your shallow perspective, I’m allowed to do that lol
/r/MensRights02/06/23 11:11 AM
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it’s definitely a topic where generational / cultural differences need to be accounted for. The laws have to try and facilitate everyone as best they can. I.e. Asian countries typically tend to be more ‘dug in’ regarding gender roles when compared to Western Europe Something exaggerated by generational differences (i.e. older generations grew up in a time where the nuclear family was the cultural norm / expectation, when this is not so much the case for younger generations, especially so in the …
/r/MensRights02/06/23 11:09 AM
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a key motivator for this change i think you’re forgetting to label that underpins a lot of the cultural changes you mentioned is due to ‘the Industrial Revolution’ In essence, the ‘value’ of children increased. Western labour sectors have a massive shift, becoming more Secondary / Tertiary. As such, the labour sector required more educated workers Alongside this, we see child labour / protection laws, meaning children were less likely to work through their childhood, and instead needed 13 odd ye…
/r/MensRights02/06/23 10:50 AM
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Misrepresenting ‘Feminism’ as one big monopoly is a bit of a mistake when it’s such an immensely diverse ideology. I’m confident there are some Feminist Ideologies / communities within feminism that share a more egalitarian approach that would align with core MRA aims, you’d just have to look a bit i.e. point to the common enemy of harmful gender stereotyping or a more marxist-esc opposition to capitalism / the elites
/r/MensRights02/06/23 09:32 AM
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but then isn’t that a great way to filter out toxic shitty people in your life? If they don’t care to listen and support you emotionally they clearly aren’t worth it
/r/MensRights02/06/23 09:28 AM
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it benefits both parties if we look at modern trends in family dynamics younger generations are increasingly equal in terms of who earns the money, who holds all the assets. Dual-Earner household are on the rise etc the issue only really exists for relationships with a massive earning disparity, which is more-so present in older generations due to outdated expectations of what gender should be working. Like, this ban on no-reason primarily serves very privileged men, not the average guy. Also, i…
/r/MensRights01/06/23 01:18 PM
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why should people not be allowed to leave a marriage they don’t want to be in anymore? Why should that freedom not be awarded / permitted?
/r/MensRights01/06/23 01:11 PM
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It’s mostly initiated by women, and they still get the lion’s share of the assets. Depends, younger generations show trends of a more equal financial distribution within marriages (i.e. duel earner households), so this isn’t a very reliable criticism to make Once you move to no fault divorce marriage ceases to be a lifelong commitment and simply becomes an indefinite one Eh, marriage has gradually lost its meaning as parts of the west have become more secularised. It’s more just a social / cultu…
/r/MensRights01/06/23 01:09 PM
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you don’t need to agree you just need to show other people some basic level of respect to where they can live their lives without being harassed by your ‘holier than thou’ agenda that’s the whole point, people have different opinions, and those differing opinions should be respected, it’s really silly to act as if EVERYONE should live according to your 1 shallow worldview It might work for the odd fascist dictator but i hate to say it, modern multicultural society doesn’t tolerate such aggressiv…
/r/MensRights01/06/23 12:59 PM
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When it becomes a multinational propoganda campaign, there's more to this than meets the eye. wdym by propaganda? was the civil rights movement ‘propaganda’? This is just another widespread social movement concerned with equal rights for Trans people, the same movements that fought for equal rights for black people, gay people etc etc Yeah, that's basically what I'm talking about but you’ve got it mixed up, the elites aren’t making people trans, that’s not something you can ‘indoctrinate’ people…
/r/MensRights01/06/23 12:56 PM
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I merely stated that the PRIMARY PURPOSE of all life, including humans, is to reproduce itself. sure, but this is biological determinism, this is not an appropriate answer to ‘the meaning / purpose of life’. It applies to biology, but tends to ignore fields such as sociology and psychology. I explained how this approach is much too reductionist to be a particularly insightful model If you speak with old people I think you find they derive the most happiness from having created a happy, loving fa…
/r/MensRights31/05/23 07:42 PM
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i agree, it’s all a matter of personal opinion and freedom, you have the choice to pursue whatever lifestyle you want I just mis-interpreted it as you agreeing with the wider rigid narrative of this lifestyle magazine. The magazine doesn’t at all reflect your self-actualising approach so it confused me I’m just trying to come from the place that there is not ‘correct’ guideline, people do not have a set ‘destiny’ or ‘purpose’, rather it is individually constructed when you said ‘fulfilling the r…
/r/MensRights31/05/23 07:22 PM
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Of course you would discredit it, most people don’t come to lifestyle magazines for scientific truths, you look at peer reviewed thoroughly referenced articles / journals. Other comments have mentioned how this magazine actually misrepresents the data it claims to be ‘sourcing from.’ i can’t begin to understand why this post or your comment got so many upvotes, it’s so painfully reactionary, and above all else really fucking embarrassing. ‘MRA’s’ paying this propaganda any attention at all, and …
/r/MensRights31/05/23 06:33 PM
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doesn’t that sound quite oppressive? You’re placing a expectation or strict guide on how other people should live their own lives this idea of predetermined roles and destiny, where’s the agency? Free will? Acknowledgement of the individual? It doesn’t make much sense to me, it clearly doesn’t suit modern society, much too reductionist
/r/MensRights31/05/23 06:16 PM
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MRA’s should too parroting traditionalist propaganda is the last thing we need in the fight for equality Especially when it is something actively contributing to gender discrimination in both men and women. Just look at common topics such as child custody or gender differences regarding sex and sexual assault. It’s all linked to the social implications this medieval approach to human behaviour peddles
/r/MensRights31/05/23 06:12 PM
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reducing humans to this cave-man era standard is a really weird thing to do the whole point of modern human society is we have surpassed and dominated ‘nature’, we can define our own purposes in life without being slaves to naturalistic nonsense. Of course we are influenced and can take inspiration from nature, but acting as if it is the sole provider for purpose is just so mind numbingly outdated. People have the liberty of free will, agency, they should be able to do what they want. Tradcon nu…
/r/MensRights31/05/23 06:07 PM
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the movement is one thing the reaction people have to it is another
/r/MensRights31/05/23 05:50 PM
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i admit within a genderless message, it is appropriate to understand there are gender differences (and ofc race, culture etc) and that generalising across all characteristics is unhelpful and damaging the message is positive, don’t let people’s reaction to the message ruin it for you
/r/MensRights31/05/23 05:49 PM
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gender impacts how victims are perceived and/or treated, i know looks like Terry Crews referenced that, men are often not seen as victims of sexual assault because of this gender stereotype that they cannot be weak, they’re the head of the house, they’re more dominant and sexually motivated etc etc I don’t see the point on getting so hung up on a buzzword that you overlook the social motivators behind many of these problems men face, unless there’s a different explanation?
/r/MensRights31/05/23 05:45 PM
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ambitious claim, especially when you look at literally any Western countries’s approach to Trans people (i.e. trying to literally erase them) a more realistic take is that the elites tend to pioneer ‘culture wars’, to distract those who don’t know any better from seeing the wider structural / internal issues within bodies of power. It used to be black people, then it was gay people, now we’re working on immigrants and trans people People are less likely to address true inequality if you’ve manag…
/r/MensRights30/05/23 10:09 PM
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i believe Asian countries tend to have lots of problems with holding people accountable for sexual crimes in general, much moreso than the West. They’re already ignoring female victims, male victims are gunna be ridiculed. It’s probably linked to the culture, in general gender norms / stereotypes are a lot more socially relevant than in the West, it’s harder to victimise a man when he’s viewed as the leader within a family unit
/r/MensRights30/05/23 10:04 PM
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and that points to a wider and, i’d argue, separate social issue regarding gender stereotypes and acknowledgement of sexual abuse the double standard is a valid criticism of the movement as a whole, but it doesn’t invalidate the fact that it gave a voice to all victims, including men. Giving a voice to victims is a genderless statement
/r/MensRights30/05/23 09:53 PM
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at its core the movement was about giving a voice to victims of sexual abuse that is not a remotely gendered statement there are gender differences within the topic itself which might be confusing people but shifting goal-posts and misrepresenting motives doesn’t change the core ideas
/r/MensRights30/05/23 09:47 PM
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??? you said the metoo movement doesn’t extend to ‘male victims’, i explained how that was wrong. Bringing up that Kevin Spacey is a man isn’t a response to what i said. The metoo movement is about ‘victims’, speaking up about abuse. The gender of the abuser isn’t particularly important conversations about perpetrators of sexual abuse and correlations with gender need a separate space, otherwise (like you have done) we end up pointlessly discrediting positive movements
/r/MensRights30/05/23 09:37 PM
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Kevin Spacey was a pretty massive figure who got taken down by the MeToo movement, all his victims were all men so… in theory and in practice absolutely yes i know a lot of pushback here against the movement comes from the ideas of false accusations, but it’s important not to discredit an entire movement over it. Or else we risk actually feeding into sexist ideas that men can’t be victims or contributing to negative responses to male victims speaking out
/r/MensRights30/05/23 05:15 PM
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Christian Bale’s a good one especially if you look at his role in American Psycho There’s some video of him breaking down his roles, and he points out the way his character is essentially ridiculing or calling out harmful hyper-masculine stereotypes. Assuming ppl aren’t totally missing the point of the Movie which they do have a tendency to do
/r/MensRights30/05/23 05:09 PM
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men and women both face unique disadvantages as a result of their gender presenting the discussion as a sort of competition doesn’t make sense, the interactions or contexts are often unique to one gender. All this does is ignore or overrule the many real and unique issues men or women face, it isn’t achieving anything other than feeding into a victim complex
/r/MensRights30/05/23 05:04 PM
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i’d say it’s probably more likely that there’s overlap between BPD and issues with gender identity genetically Otherwise it’s like saying neurological deficits like ADHD are driven by external factors when there isn’t much substance. It’s more-so an increased likelihood of genetic vulnerability It also feeds into a unhelpful narrative that gender dysphoria is not innate / inherent which opens the door for transphobia and unwarranted social panic / censorship not to say the external factors don’t…
/r/MensRights30/05/23 04:52 PM
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the metoo movement does extend to male victims
/r/MensRights30/05/23 04:45 PM
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the industry was ‘masculinised’ this means women are typically deterred from pursuing the industry, and in turn tend to receive less attention or validation for their achievements than men do
/r/MensRights21/05/23 04:52 PM
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because historically this medium doesn’t have much strong female representation, or when women were represented (like male superheroes) they were often hyper sexualised, especially in comic books. so the gap is evening as superhero shows become less of a ‘gendered’ genre There are still plenty of shows with male protagonist, this overall positive change is not something to get worried about
/r/MensRights21/05/23 04:43 PM
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ok… but why do you think attitudes towards sex changed? what caused that change? why is it not… secularisation? why is it not… the influencer of feminist movements or even mix of the two. People would not be taking the pill, idealising ‘adulterous’ behaviours or supporting casual sex without first deconstructing the oppressing attitudes presented by the church. it’s a mix of many different factors i don’t really see how what you’ve said really supports your initial point either of… cheaters bein…
/r/MensRights19/05/23 01:11 PM
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i’ll just respond for the sake of other ppl reading i’ll assume you not responding to the points related to the post / comment means you recognise your misinterpretation Men have always been involved in education, just more recently being excluded because of paranoia that all men are pedophiles and rapists. It's not a gendered role which is also something that stems from gender stereotypes / expectations it’s not all from paranoia, it’s a big mix of gendered norms and expectations that express i…
/r/MensRights19/05/23 01:04 PM
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this looks to me like it’s mainly trying to tackle the valid issue of unequal chore distribution in dual-earner households i.e. both members work similar hours, but then a majority of the household chores are done by women the issue is it doesn’t really apply to family dynamics where men are working more, which is still pretty common (but changing for younger generations), with this point not being obviously addressed
/r/MensRights19/05/23 12:46 PM
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Have always been amused by comments that try to portray men as feminine if they emulate something that women do, such as being penetrated. My comment or Media? If it’s my comment the you have misunderstood something and i will try to clarify. I was explaining examples of how common tropes in media use emasculation as a tool for ridicule. It is an active attempt by the film to evoke a certain type of reaction or emotion of e.g. see how ‘pathetic’ the man is. The media presents men crying as a sig…
/r/MensRights18/05/23 02:58 PM
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gay guys are part of the LGBT so It is about the LGBT Think of a Venn Diagram; Mens rights as one circle, LGBT as the other. Then, where the two circles overlap, that little oval, that’s where gay men go. Same way that a post about black men and their unique struggles with race and gender, would still be about Men. There is group overlap
/r/MensRights18/05/23 01:52 PM
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It’s not really due to religion mhmm, i’d still argue it’s pretty brave to overlook the influence religion has. Especially when looking at say, trends of secularisation. so an example in the UK, as religion lost its influence, attitudes towards sex became a lot more progressive. The social norms were rooted in religious norms, but then as people stopped listening to those norms there was no reason left to keep those attitudes around. It’s because a woman knows a child is hers. A man does not. He…
/r/MensRights18/05/23 01:45 PM
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That is absolutely not true. I have read interviews with mothers who wanted their girls circumcised. i’d still argue for the most part, FGM today is more founded in sexual repression and sexism rather than simply aesthetics and health-benefit related propaganda like MGM is. (maybe partially due to gendered attitudes towards sex i.e. slut shaming) If not just also because FGM is so much less common in the West and isn’t widely practiced / even legal i’m agree there will be outliers, ppl following…
/r/MensRights18/05/23 01:21 PM
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the sub is about men’s rights does the certain ‘type’ or characteristics of a man make their rights less welcome / relevant?
/r/MensRights17/05/23 10:35 PM
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should be obvious no? The sub is about Men’s rights, that’s all men, regardless of race / sexual orientation. Not just the types of men you’re personally a fan of
/r/MensRights17/05/23 10:24 PM
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Why would you tear up at recognition of men being good parental figures? Because many media representations of men (especially so in the past) fail to show that type of positive nurturing male representation. It’s in interesting topic to analyse tbh looking at all the gendered movie tropes. e.g. the trope of a man shedding a single tear, especially in those hyper masculine action badass movies, with an emotionless hunky protagonist. and signs of emotional vulnerability are viewed as ‘feminine’, …
/r/MensRights17/05/23 09:58 PM
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looks like people misinterpreted what you meant i totally agree, circumcision is almost entirely ‘cultural’, especially in America. People get it done because of aesthetics, social pressure, everyone else does. A good comparison is with the UK where it’s almost only ever done due to religious tradition or rare medical necessity, and is otherwise considered a cosmetic procedure It stemmed from religion and sexual repression for both men and women. And as time passed that original intention of GM …
/r/MensRights17/05/23 09:36 PM
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mhmmm, i get the sentiment but it doesn’t really translate past GM to wider society Just look at how media like porn and the generic harmful ways they portray sex. And also obviously just… the orgasm gap
/r/MensRights17/05/23 09:26 PM
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It's a shallow and distorted image of an ancient idea (e.g. no use crying over spilt milk) that's used to manipulate boys and men. i’ve always been under the impression that it comes mainly from traditional gender stereotypes, common in the past, born out of idea that men’s role in society is as ‘leaders’, ‘breadwinners’, ‘strong protectors’. This is the general consensus in the study of society. i also wouldn’t necessarily call it ‘ancient’, it’s a specifically gendered stereotype common not 2 …
/r/MensRights17/05/23 09:22 PM
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To me it looks like the article is trying to point out some of the harmful consequences men face as a result of outdated / radical gender stereotypes. The whole ‘Boys don’t cry… Man up’ type of attitude that dissuades emotional vulnerability / development. Can't miss the opportunity to shit on boys/men! This is a real psychological phenomena though. It can definitely be overemphasised / overstressed, and people can misinterpret or overestimate the influence in ‘nature’ and ignore the ‘nurture’, …
/r/MensRights17/05/23 12:16 PM
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i feel like it makes sense if you break it down a bit A majority of pushback to sexually progressive attitudes stems from older generations and religion which emphasised ‘Traditional’ gender stereotypes surrounding sex of the time These outdated stereotypes are figuratively and i guess literally… ‘dying out’ as (western) societies have progressed, and those attitudes have loosened up a bit. Probably in big part due to secularisation (loss of religious influence towards public attitudes and norms…
/r/MensRights17/05/23 11:56 AM
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i reckon at some point it just boils down to how ‘toxic masculinity’ is a more catching buzzword, it fits in an article, it fits the reactionary and sensationalised environment media thrives off it roots in feminist ideologies that typically take a hostile approach towards men, hence the harsh interpretation The stoicism parallel you make is good, because you’re totally right ‘Toxic masculinity’ isn’t masculinity, rather an extremist / radicalised bastardisation of masculinity. i personally view…
/r/MensRights17/04/23 11:27 AM
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idk man, i’d rather be ‘brainwashed’ by scientific research than be brainwashed by conservative media https://www.hcplive.com/view/suicide-risk-reduces-73-transgender-nonbinary-youths-gender-affirming-care There’s more, but gender affirming care is pretty unanimously understood in the study of mental health to lower rates of depression you can google the definition of sex if you want, other ppl will explain it better than me. All i’ll say is it’s socially constructed and let you fill in the gaps
/r/MensRights17/04/23 11:18 AM
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would better phrasing would be that it’s an extremist interpretation of stoicism radicalised through hyper-sexualised gender stereotypes? people take the philosophy and, as you say, bastardise it
/r/MensRights17/04/23 11:12 AM
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i feel it’s kinda a mistake to suggest men can have exactly ‘the same rights’ because the context is different for men and women. The morality / argument / context changes depending on whether you’re talking about men or women Men don’t ‘carry’ the pregnancy, physiologically (and for the most part morally) they don’t get to end the pregnancy, whereas women can regardless, i would agree in an ideal world it would be nice to give men the same opportunity of avoiding unwanted parenthood / financial…
/r/MensRights17/04/23 11:08 AM
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I’m not sure this leaves anyone out though. The context is with doctors making ‘conscience-based objections’ against certain groups of people and obviously this primarily pertains to women with the rights to abortions, as well as Trans people in regards to gender affirming surgery Also, this title technically only misses out cis straight men, probably because this subset of men isn’t disadvantaged in the same way other groups are specifically in the medical field, they are the least likely to fa…
/r/MensRights15/04/23 12:55 PM
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a lot of it is rooted in traditional stereotypes in society. I.e. the ‘Nuclear Family’ being presented as the shining example of adulthood these trends have seen consistent decline though if we look at statistics around families, so things like the age at which people get married, have their first child are all increasing. there’s also a trend of couples ‘cohabiting’, so living together whilst not getting married, as well as simply not having children at all, going childfree
/r/MensRights15/04/23 12:51 PM
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getting physically stronger wouldn’t necessarily solve your deeper insecurities, it’d just be masking them. tying your self worth / confidence / value to being muscular or fitting into a traditional masculine stereotype, the mindset just breeds body dysmorphia and self-hate you gotta learn to love yourself, accept or own your perceived flaws, or ideally try and move away from this damaging mindset. going to the gym should be a means of ‘enrichment’, not a solution Loving yourself and adding / en…
/r/MensRights15/04/23 12:47 PM
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probably more applicable / useful for same-sex couples
/r/MensRights15/04/23 12:38 PM
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giving same-sex couples the opportunity to start families is a positive advancement though
/r/MensRights15/04/23 12:37 PM
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i’m not going to be convinced through anecdotes that i view as informed through bias though. i won’t change my opinions about trans people unless there’s some damning study that demonstrates any of your claims hold a degree of scientific literacy / show some statistical significances, otherwise it’s just an appeal to emotions which we’ve all seen more than enough of in the media
/r/MensRights13/04/23 03:18 PM
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not children? don’t care about little boys? bit harsh
/r/MensRights13/04/23 03:14 PM
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because of the science - the numerous pieces of research that indicate gender is not as binary as we used to think. A simplified example being how the brains of transgender women can be different to cis men, the nuances in hormonal balance, the recent stuff about XYY chromosomes etc as well as the statistics around how mind-blowingly effective gender affirming care is in terms of treating depression / body dysmorphia
/r/MensRights13/04/23 03:13 PM
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gender affirming care is universally considered the most effective treatment for gender dysphoria though gender dysphoria does not go away, it’s in the same vein as gay people x conversion therapy. trans people already go through many layers of counselling / CBT before even being allowed to take any biological steps towards transitioning and the ‘de-transition’ numbers are made up primary of people who de-transitioned as a result of a lack of support / gender affirmation from family etc. ultimat…
/r/MensRights13/04/23 03:10 PM
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but this is anecdotal and if we look at the logic behind your argument about sports, would this mean only trans women are privileged and not trans men? since trans men aren’t at a ‘biological advantage’. Also how does it work with post-op trans people. do you only care if they have physically transitioned? the logic just isn’t at all consistent you’re also not making a scientific argument. you do not measure privilege through anecdotes, you measure it though statical trends / media representatio…
/r/MensRights13/04/23 03:03 PM
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it’s still very much culturally motivated though Christianity still has a firm grasp in regards to the core values people follow but then there’s also more general things like, ppl just do it to conform. Their parents did it, that had it done, so they get it done to their kids, it’s the norm. There’s also stigmas against uncircumcised kids, so like ppl calling it ‘unhygienic’, or ‘gross looking’, partly due to ignorance as well as the negative impact porn has had on perceptions towards bodies / …
/r/MensRights13/04/23 02:40 PM
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its great to keep people more options but ultimately, it’s difficult to apply to the topic of abortion because it still implies women are being forced to carry a pregnancy to term. That’s not giving people agency over their own bodies, not many would be willing to go through the incredibly difficult and psychologically damaging process of an unwanted pregnancy. and also, adoption services (or that area) tend to be historically underfunded, under-supported and full of abuse. It’s not a perfect so…
/r/MensRights13/04/23 02:26 PM
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you’re right about the first point, i get it now but for ‘toxic masculinity’, idk if i explained it very well but i agree none of it is ‘inherently masculine / inherently toxic’ when i’m referring to ‘traditional masculinity’ im looking at the strict social code men were socialised into and expected to follow, or else risk shame and ostracisation from deviating from this ‘social norm’. Again at its roots it’s not necessarily ‘evil or toxic’, but it can become if, when a man deviates from that no…
/r/MensRights13/04/23 02:22 PM
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making it legal for women to divorce their husbands was probably a pretty big part but also entering the workforce and all the equality acts surrounding that shift made independent living a realistic option for women. rather than being trapped in a marriage for survival, women were better able / more socially acceptable for women to live independently, when previously it wasn’t a realistic or encouraged option. in a sense they can better afford to divorce their husbands and survive afterwards
/r/MensRights13/04/23 02:02 PM
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Women are incredibly easy to manipulate. All the owning class has to do is to tell them that doing something is "liberation". is this women specifically? like, are they ‘weaker minded’ or something? is there scientific evidence of this? Women actually fell for the "work will set you free" line. Probably because it did ‘set women free’. a Women’s purpose was no longer be socialised / destined into marrying a rich husband and creating a family. Social trends in the workforce indicate a general shi…
/r/MensRights13/04/23 01:58 PM
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the interviewer was terrible, not hard to dismantle an argument when the interviewer isn’t remotely prepared / doesn’t have the backbone to pressure points it doesn’t make Musk any less of a moron, the whole fiasco of him buying twitter is such an embarrassment
/r/MensRights13/04/23 01:51 PM
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this have other impacts too due to boys being more visibly disadvantaged, they’re also more likely to be identified as having behavioural problems and in turn afforded the appropriate educational support whereas for girls, the symptoms of autism / ADHD can often be less obvious / better masked due to gender stereotypes and classroom environment, so they’re less likely to be supported for their neurological deficit ofc this is subject to the many many variations within ADHD and ASD, but regardles…
/r/MensRights12/04/23 03:09 PM
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the route of ‘personhood’ is a very tricky though, because clearly the definition is incredibly nuanced The most concrete stance is simply that a woman gets to choose what happens to her own body in regards to pregnancy. Nothing more nothing less, leaves much less room for any sort of nuance
/r/MensRights12/04/23 03:03 PM
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would presenting this research in a courtroom be wise? best to follow the advice of a lawyer rather than risk doing something that hurts your chances (i.e. presenting potentially scientifically nuanced information)
/r/MensRights12/04/23 03:00 PM
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it’s a ‘version’ of the stoic philosophy that’s created when you apply it to sociology, where it mixed with traditional gender stereotypes to create varying levels of healthy - extreme behaviours
/r/MensRights12/04/23 02:58 PM
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No it isn't, its foolish even from a stoic perspective. there is a bit of disconnect between the philosophical concept of stoicism and the term that relates to the traditional masculine stereotype. The motivations for example are different, in this context being rooted in trying to ‘appear masculine’, to conform to the stereotype or expectation because that’s viewed as ‘desirable’. and due to the nature of of gender stereotypes, it can breed extreme interpretations like the above comment mention…
/r/MensRights12/04/23 02:52 PM
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it’s a mixed bag tbh because historically sexual assault / harassment just hasn’t been appropriately addressed in society, being overlooked or brushed under the rug / downplayed. It’s a good thing that more people are being held accountable (especially if we want to relate it directly to MRA’s, and how it is helping put men on the ‘map’ in regards to being victims of abuse) Social engagements in this context have historically been skewed towards the abusers for a very long time, even legally spe…
/r/MensRights12/04/23 01:45 PM
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it is ultimately a he-said-she-said situation. but also just to clarify because your response could be misinterpreted and i often see misconceptions here, a lot of false accusation actually come from friends / colleagues / relatives, rather than the presumed victim themselves. It’s important to place this ‘revenge’ genre of accusations, because otherwise we end up mixing issues together making addressing them more difficult
/r/MensRights12/04/23 01:39 PM
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the issue in your search was using ‘traditional’, because that term is typically used when referring to an outdated and strict interpretation of masculinity. Due to this, it generally fails to effectively apply to men in modern society i.e. an implication from ‘traditional masculinity’ could be around gender roles in the workforce, that women shouldn’t work and should be caregivers / carers, and that men have to be the breadwinner. And inversely, that men shouldn’t take caregiver / child-rearing…
/r/MensRights09/04/23 07:30 PM
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No, I should not be supporting you people. but that means you aren’t supporting all men’s rights, which is what this sub is all about. Transgenderism is nonsense which contaminates the minds of children. this is an emotional argument though, you do not have remotely firm standing in any of the broad scientific field, i.e. the biology / psychology / sociology, all of these suggest transgenderism is very much real and very much valid It's highly insulting how you people believe that being a man is…
/r/MensRights09/04/23 07:13 PM
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but as a scientist wouldn’t you also be inclined to question this ‘DNA’ basis for defining people? if anything isn’t science consistently suggesting the topic is a lot more nuanced than you’re saying it is? Other comments have mentioned this social scientists would probably highlight the difference between gender and sex, and how that relates to trans topics then scientists studying advanced biology would bring up studies like how Brain Sex in Transgender Women Is Shifted towards Gender Identity…
/r/MensRights09/04/23 06:56 PM
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Absolutely. But unless a century of psychological research and practice has been wrong (a very real possibility) Dysmorphias and dysphorias cannot be alleviated through direct physical intervention, such as surgery. right, but the symptoms can absolutely be treated. we could start with a byproduct of dysmorphia being depression the way i see it is like any other form of medical treatment for a phenomena i can find the specific study if you want but the data shows that: from a group of trans peop…
/r/MensRights07/04/23 07:36 PM
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i recommend you look into the myth of meritocracy more, and also maybe reread my comment? A lot of the points you’ve made are either sort of irrelevant or already answered by the points i’ve made. a lot of what you’re saying is sort of anecdotal and not really measurable / quantifiable / scientific. and that makes it kinda unhelpful, especially when approaching a topic this complex, you can’t really do it justice with the things you’ve said
/r/MensRights07/04/23 07:22 PM
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See this is the kind of garbage you get when you don't look at people. You see a woman making a choice you don't like and she's suddenly a victim of society. Heaven forbid she exercises her free will as a human being and make the "wrong" choice. what do you think informs the decisions people make? are they perhaps influenced by… their upbringing, what those around them tell them to do, how they are expected to act? because humans are products of our environment, if we grow up and are raised by a…
/r/MensRights07/04/23 07:13 PM
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men don’t menstruate though they aren’t being accommodated for a phenomena they alone experience that also isn’t ‘fair’, it’s getting something for free that other people get because they’re disadvantaged
/r/MensRights07/04/23 07:03 PM
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i don’t really get your point trans people are a subcategory of men and women, they face many unique issues as a result of being trans, ONTOP of their perceived gender. Same way idk, black men face unique issues as a result of their race also, what about trans men? They identify as men, if they pass, they are socially perceived as men so not only would they face the marginalisation of being trans, but ALSO the unique social problems from identifying as men and again, the existence of trans men d…
/r/MensRights07/04/23 06:47 PM
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it’s just like any topic, some people support trans rights, other people don’t. depends where you look / what you’re choosing to ignore (then again, ignoring the current media obsession is probably the smartest thing to do) why do you think people are labelling trans people as brave? what reason would people have to do this? Is it not because of the existence of adversity? Trans rights are a pretty damm hot topic in modern media. Just look at America, bills to remove parental rights of trans par…
/r/MensRights07/04/23 06:38 PM
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Placing gender identity as the central focus of one's existence diminishes all other aspects that make up a person. i sort of agree with the bigger picture of what you’re saying. i personally feel gender / sex as concepts are overemphasised and create their own problems through harmful stereotypes. just express yourself the way you want without being restricted by stereotypes or norms Any societal rejection one may feel is completely avoidable by accepting oneself for who they are, gender identi…
/r/MensRights07/04/23 06:30 PM
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They’re marginalised because they fit the definition of a marginalised group i.e. trans people undeniably experience discrimination and exclusion as a result of their identity do you want me to show you some examples?
/r/MensRights07/04/23 06:04 PM
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some states in the US are actually pushing to remove the taxes on diapers with some already having done so it’s this idea that menstrual products and diapers are somehow ‘luxury’ goods, when in reality they are essential for the average person
/r/MensRights07/04/23 04:39 PM
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what are we waiting for? trans people are already being systematically ‘bullied’ / attacked
/r/MensRights07/04/23 04:32 PM
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because MRA should concern all the different iterations of man not just certain men, why fall into the same hole feminism did with its initial waves? The end goal is equality for everyone, which means we cannot exclude certain minority groups
/r/MensRights07/04/23 04:29 PM
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but that’s anecdotal, I’m sure individuals are ‘cheating the system’ here and there but that’s not a fair or scientific approach to this conversation statistics and data pretty clearly shows how marginalised and vulnerable the trans demographic is (think media discourse, the widespread transphobia and mental health) just look at what parts of America is doing, quite literally refusing / denying trans people bodily autonomy, and stripping rights away from trans people (i.e. banning education, str…
/r/MensRights07/04/23 04:20 PM
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to me i see it as one of the most concrete and important examples of ‘misandry’ Transphobes are unable to view trans women as women, as a direct result of sexist / unreasonably strict stereotypes / classifications towards cis men (and often women too). This is exemplified in a hyper focus on sex characteristics, i.e. sexist attitudes towards how men and women should physically present or sound, generating shame for individuals who refuse to conform to gender stereotypes (i.e. shaming masculine p…
/r/MensRights07/04/23 04:11 PM
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technically this might be true but in reality it’s an extremely ambitious stretch to suggest you truly gain social advantages when also considering the immense marginalisation and discrimination trans people experience i don’t see the point in ignoring the great difficulties trans people experience simply for existing
/r/MensRights07/04/23 03:57 PM
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but toilet paper / soap don’t really link to ‘healthcare’ or inherent biological functions products related to menstruation absolutely do tampons don’t ‘clean’, they tackle menstruation
/r/MensRights07/04/23 03:01 PM
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exactly, these traditional gender norms are at the root of many issues men and women still face today, it pains me to see so many ppl on this sub parrot these sexist stereotypes that actively go against the values of MRA’s The argument for them is poorly justified through traditions and flimsy biological determinism, overly reductionist approaches that simply do not appropriately apply to our modern society Biology is a relevant topic for conversation, but it shouldn’t be the ‘only’ factor consi…
/r/MensRights07/04/23 02:55 PM
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it’s difficult to approach this topic though because we risk falling into the trap of the ‘myth of meritocracy’ or this false notion that everyone in the world has a totally equal chance at success This isn’t really true though, the highest predictor of wealth is still how much money your family makes. This is because of how riche families can afford to create more opportunities, be it through tutoring, location, generational knowledge / connections etc. the nature of society means no one will e…
/r/MensRights07/04/23 02:47 PM
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it’s a cultural thing in the US, very common, they had a bit thing with sexual repression, a guy called Kellog promoting the procedure to hamper sexual pleasure, makes sense considering the strong religious culture in the US 60% odd are circumcised as newborns with numbers rising to 80% past 14. Most ppl doing it because of either lies surrounding cleanliness / health or simply because it’s the norm, passing it down to their kids because they don’t know the harm
/r/MensRights07/04/23 02:09 PM
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Yes I know you view women as mindless cogs in the machine of society. Anything to absolve women of the consequences of their actions I guess. Even if that means denying their humanity. this is just an issue of being uninformed If we are raised in a culture that says for example, ‘boys don’t cry’, boys are likely to shy away from expressing their emotions. For me, i am not going to blame men for not showing their emotions, because i understand the reason why this behaviour is being exhibited, and…
/r/MensRights06/04/23 06:04 PM
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this isn’t something that can be ‘fair’ it’s not ‘fair’ that the average women may work less hours than the average man due to her physiological status getting in the way but equally, it’s not ‘fair’ that women have to go through this physiological process and men don’t. that’s what accommodative policies are for there isn’t a solution, men aren’t being ‘accommodated’ because they don’t experience the symptoms of menstruation, it would be unfair to afford them this because they would be receivin…
/r/MensRights06/04/23 05:35 PM
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being insecure isn’t an excuse to not fix your resentful personality this is projecting your own problems onto other people, blaming them for your own shortcomings being a little short is the least of your worries right now
/r/MensRights06/04/23 05:25 PM
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so you did miss my point then Stereotypes underpin this entire conversation, they are the most important part of the discussion! this whole conversation is rooted in the societal norms and gender stereotypes surrounding sex, and how these inform the behaviours or values you bring up e.g. men’s ‘preference’ for ‘pure virginal’ women can be traced to sexist stereotypes that suggest a woman’s value is tied to her virginity. It’s why we see these ‘lock and key’ analogies that apply to women, but fai…
/r/MensRights06/04/23 05:24 PM
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man, what an embarrassing video Not a single valid / remotely credible link between Feminism and the KKK, no wonder there aren’t any references, it’s all made up and totally misinterpreting the ideological tool of being ‘enlightened’ that White Supremacists use to demonise marginalised groups, as somehow linking to the values of feminism? what total shit
/r/MensRights06/04/23 04:15 PM
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all this analogy does is reflect a sexist and outdated standard that a woman’s value or purity is tied to their virginity, with men not being held to the same standard is this incorrect? what part is incorrect? when i flicked over the other replies i didn’t really see you address these points, or at least you didn’t manage to very well / convincingly i’m happy to explain the basics of gender stereotypes and the relation it has with sex / sexual expression, it’s fun to get specific and educate pp…
/r/MensRights05/04/23 10:12 PM
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oh, did you not understand something i said? i can easily explain it to you, no problemo
/r/MensRights05/04/23 10:05 PM
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and it’s not just about your height bro work on that nasty resentful personality and you might find more people want to connect with you
/r/MensRights05/04/23 10:01 PM
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i’m moreso suggesting it’s an unhelpful model to try and explain complex human behaviour within this context. It’s too simplistic / reductive to be used on its own as the person i replied to was doing and somehow you always have an upvote must be because i make educated and convincing arguments You reek of brigading plant. says who? i have my own opinions and values, that have shaped my views on what types of things are beneficial / harmful to men’s rights. Just because i lean against the gradie…
/r/MensRights05/04/23 09:55 PM
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I’ll try make it simpler, you missed my point i’m explaining how society influences how people act and behave. It’s not ‘men pushing women out of roles’ as the comment I’m replying to says, rather it’s society dissuading women from pursuing certain paths in order to conform and how blaming women for conforming to gender norms is inappropriate, because they are not at fault the problem is not women themselves, it’s society, and as such the solution is not to blame individuals like women, but rath…
/r/MensRights05/04/23 09:39 PM
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the same people who did it before? the women who would use this menstruation leave would not be working anyway, without it they just use sick leave, there are no changes in workload, they just have a more appropriate label for why they’re off work is this just ignorance of how debilitating periods can be for some women? could you explain why the symptoms don’t justify time off?
/r/MensRights05/04/23 09:29 PM
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i say historically because women haven’t always had an equal chance at education Looking at the UK, it took up to the 1950’s for women to be universally awarded degrees, (early as 1878 if we look at the earliest example) and this isn’t touching on the social side if we look at gender stereotypes. Even up until relatively recently higher education was dominated by men, only now are we seeing women outperform men regarding university attendance / achieving degrees (and also in primary education) t…
/r/MensRights05/04/23 09:19 PM
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it is an interesting avenue for a more important and useful discussion tbh i don’t really know much but i’ve heard this idea of ‘productivity’ being thrown around. and how this tradition of working 9-5 isn’t best suited for the average person. people aren’t productive for the entire duration and some sort of work day reform definitely warrants discussion. although on the general point you’ve made, i would say you might be overestimating slightly how much impact this has? Or at least, being a bit…
/r/MensRights05/04/23 08:58 PM
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The Hypergamy point makes sense, i can find pretty solid research supporting this but isn’t what women are attracted to / respond sexually to relatively nuanced (depends on the individual)? sure we have conventional beauty standards, but it’s also very preferential. i don’t think the average guy is in the most qualified position, surely it should be women telling guys what they’re into no? That just makes more sense to me, rather than basing it off assumptions
/r/MensRights05/04/23 08:41 PM
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idk, it’s not my job, i wasn’t offering a rebuttal / solution to the gender wage gap, i fear it’s a bit beyond my scope. i don’t have a great solution for balancing the physiological differences between men and women i’m just explaining how menstrual leave is 100% justified and how the gender wage gap remains the same regardless of whether or not menstrual leave is an option (since women just use sick leave instead)
/r/MensRights05/04/23 08:28 PM
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exactly it’s just showing how unhelpful and overly-simplistic the way these argument are presented is. Like, great! we’ve identified the problem, but why are we blaming the victims for it!!! But I’d say how people raise their kids is the problem or dilemma With the issue itself being the social norms and traditions, due to how these ‘inform’ how the average person raises their child. With implications of how we can go about deconstructing / rejecting these outdated traditions that came before us…
/r/MensRights05/04/23 08:21 PM
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people don’t find entitlement sexy babe your height might be a minor factor, but it definitely isn’t the real reason you can’t get laid, that’s not what needs changing. It’s your personality that’s the problem
/r/MensRights05/04/23 08:11 PM
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that comes with it’s own problems though telling people they ‘should wait’ is not providing them with an unbiased choice, it’s incentivising chastity until you meet ‘the one’ This can be a problem if we look at the social constructs like ‘virginity’ cause, where people (i.e. men) are shamed for being virgins, where sex is highly valued or idealised for guys. Whilst being the opposite for women, i.e. shaming them for ‘losing’ it, losing ‘value’ for having an active sex life etc etc it just needs …
/r/MensRights05/04/23 08:06 PM
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would it make more sense to you if it was rephrased? so like, kids exploring their sexuality is inevitable? it’s going to happen, whether you approve or not, and condemning it evidently does more harm than good (think the high teen pregnancies in places with poor / no sex ed) so… educating and preparing them for sex is the obvious appropriate form of action.
/r/MensRights05/04/23 08:00 PM
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childhood is a social construct, what’s ‘right’ or ‘wrong’ or ‘appropriate’ for children is decided entirely by what society has dictated it to be. Which, historically, is not at all what you’re describing it’s only really post-industrialisation that we’ve seen ‘childhood’ as a stage in development start distinguishing itself, and started valuing and cherishing or even commercialising childhood this being due to a number of reasons: advances in healthcare providing more ‘meaning’ or ‘value’ to a…
/r/MensRights05/04/23 07:47 PM
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focus on yourself, work on your own self esteem and mental health. That probably involves avoiding dating apps, those types of things are total traps for self-loathing and insecurity life is unfair, you aren’t entitled to romantic validation. I think the best thing for you would be to avoid drawing so much validation from the attention women give you, find other ways to satisfy yourself / make you feel good about yourself
/r/MensRights05/04/23 07:09 PM
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exactly, all this analogy does is reflect a sexist and outdated standard that a woman’s value or purity is tied to their virginity, with men not being held to the same standard then presenting this totally fabricated / socially constructed phenomena as ‘true’ or ‘factual’ because they’ve rooted it in the ‘objective’ context of a lock and key
/r/MensRights05/04/23 06:57 PM
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issue is the analogy is overly simple, giving credibility to a sexist stereotype men and women are both very horny, yet these analogies do not comment on that reality. it’s ignoring the social / cultural influence on how people express themselves e.g. men may appear to ‘want sex more’, but this has many different motivators. For example, sexual experiences are idolised in men, socially promoted, having lots of partners is an achievement, it’s a ‘masculine’ trait And on the other side also contri…
/r/MensRights05/04/23 06:32 PM
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oftentimes it oversimplifies the topic, the analogy is only applying to a single biased and rigid standpoint. The point loses its credibility as soon as you take the ‘human’ element out of the conversation like the lock and key ‘argument’: It’s main problem is that it’s presenting ‘value’ as consistent across inanimate objects and human beings, whilst also placing men and women in unequal positions within the analogy A lock loses ‘value’ if it’s super easy to unlock. Then people make the inappro…
/r/MensRights05/04/23 06:04 PM
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what a load of rubbish lol, claims like these at the very least need to be scientific / referenced. None of what’s being said here is remotely academic or credible acting like the historical term ‘female hysteria’ is a real and tangible concept instantly loses you any respect you could’ve had and all this obscure backwards shit about ‘natural culture’? Conveniently ignoring the historical reality of relatively equal gender roles / status if you look at early cultures (i.e. hunter gatherer). it’s…
/r/MensRights05/04/23 05:55 PM
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While this societal phenomenon is often blamed on “toxic masculinity”… men put on an act to impress women that is what toxic masculinity means though. harmful, toxic gender stereotypes or expectations placed on men that encourages / discourages certain gendered behaviours. In this case, the aspect of ‘toxic masculinity’ thats the issue is this stereotype that men HAVE to always be mentally stoic, devoid of weakness, strong etc,. Here, expressing vulnerability to being emotional is being incorrec…
/r/MensRights03/04/23 06:30 PM
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what is ‘female nature’?
/r/MensRights03/04/23 06:21 PM
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wouldn’t it be better to not waste time and energy on the women who use what you tell them against you? rather than leaving it as some sort of gamble
/r/MensRights03/04/23 06:15 PM
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what sort of response did you want to receive? it comes across as you placing an unfair burden on someone who isn’t in a very fair position to receive it this is a person you haven’t spoken to for multiple years, you do not have an especially close relationship. you message her presumably out of the blue and then you’re sort of chucking out a massive trauma-dump on then. this was not an immensely healthy way to express or convey your emotions and frustrations. it wasn’t a conversation, it’s not …
/r/MensRights03/04/23 06:08 PM
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there is an undeniable wage gap, acknowledging this fact is important the issue is in how term is just being understood or rather misunderstood. It’s applied to conversations where women and men work the same jobs, when really it should be being applied to gender norms / roles in wider society. an avenue to discuss and critique these issues, and to pose questions as to why / how these trends are emerging and/or changing
/r/MensRights03/04/23 05:50 PM
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i sort of get a ‘skill gap’ in sports since men will typically have the biological edge, I’d see it as more a physiological gap though But STEM? Is it actually about ‘skill’ / is there evidence referring to performance itself? there’s a gender disparity in STEM because women were historically discouraged from entering those fields, it doesn’t make much sense to say its centred in ‘skill’, especially when looking at current trends in say: university, with women overtaking men in college enrolment…
/r/MensRights03/04/23 05:45 PM
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makes sense tbh period pains / cramps / other can be very significant for some women, time off work is 100% warranted it’s just something that accounts for the unique function + implications of the function that some women go through, when the alternative is using a sick day
/r/MensRights03/04/23 05:39 PM
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can you try and dig a little deeper into the possible motivations behind this? What is informing that attitude / these decisions
/r/MensRights03/04/23 05:34 PM
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a lot of these points seem to be built on a bit of a misconception that everyone has a totally fair and clairvoyant decision making process. you’re pointing to the wrong stage of the issue, in essence blaming the products of the machine rather than the machine itself. People exist within society, it’s disingenuous to ‘take them out’ of it for the sake of a point. Society influences people’s actions and behaviours, a reality your comment doesn’t necessarily give fair consideration to A lot of the…
/r/MensRights03/04/23 05:31 PM
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That explanation doesn’t seem complex enough though What about beauty standards? Could a lot do what guides attraction in modern society be guided by social norms or expectations surrounding beauty? The closer someone fits with beauty stereotypes, the more attractive they will be perceived. Perhaps due to the link between conventional attractiveness and say… social desirability / popularity the media you consume (consciously or subconsciously) would inform your development and understanding of b…
/r/MensRights22/01/23 03:13 PM
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They incentivise everyone to make false accusations tbh that’s why relatives / friends / family / police count for so many instances of these false reports
/r/MensRights22/01/23 02:55 PM
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Personal experience aren’t very convincing though It doesn’t seem reasonable enough to make these pretty radical inferences when the data doesn’t seem to support it (especially when the data in question makes reference to the confounding variables you mention and often accounts for them) It’s sort of risky, this topic needs to be approached sensibly and realistically, there shouldn’t be a floor given to these extreme inferences because it just muddies the scientific truths we have access to
/r/MensRights22/01/23 02:52 PM
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‘Feminine’ men are more likely to align with more liberal ideas, hence the rejection / non-conformity to traditional - or as they see it often harmful - standards of masculinity But you do get what, Menslib or something? approaching Men’s rights from a left wing perspective. Then, the ‘traditionally Masculine’ men who identify more with those older stereotypes of masculinity are then by nature typically more likely to align with more conservative ideas. Both ‘sides’ just approach Mens rights in …
/r/MensRights22/01/23 02:47 PM
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the term is derived from discussion about harmful gender stereotypes it’s a real academic term, it’s just aggressively misused and misinterpreted by people
/r/MensRights22/01/23 02:13 PM
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We already do, harmful gender stereotypes are heavily discussed topics within sociology ‘toxic masculinity’ just gains more traction, perhaps due to unique ways it manifests in society, the more physical / tangible effects (i.e. aggression / dominance etc). Think like, Andrew Tate, he’s a living icon for toxic masculinity. Then think of the lack of immediate alternative for women
/r/MensRights22/01/23 02:04 PM
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Exactly It ties to this sociological concept of ‘Labelling Theory’ that’s applied to education. Where essentially kids places in ‘lower bands’ or ‘bottom set classes’ displayed lower levels of motivation, self-confidence and in turn underachieved academically. Those around them also treated them less favourable (i.e. teachers treat you differently based on prejudices … this same concept links to race / gender stereotypes too) Basically, if you’re told you’re stupid and are associated with poor a…
/r/MensRights22/01/23 01:52 PM
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the issue is (intentional or not) it too easy to misinterpret into conflating toxicity with the entire concept of masculinity, removing the contexts the term makes sense in and many groups probably do incorrectly use it in that way, im sure some radical feminist biological determinists (who say biology firmly guides / controls what actions you take) view male behaviours as inherently harmful etc it’s too easy to twist the meaning to present men as the problem, overlooking the origins of the term…
/r/MensRights22/01/23 01:39 PM
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a lot of it comes down to a misuse and misinterpretation of the term. The way it’s worded isn’t helpful, but i think that almost comes from like, academic gatekeeping, where the term only really makes sense in the specific academic context, provoking shallow / reactionary takes when it’s taken out of that context (i.e. radicals using the term to attack men, rather than using it in the appropriate socio-academic context) A more productive phrasing would be something more general, along the lines …
/r/MensRights22/01/23 01:10 PM
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what’s the actual link between feminine men and weakness, or femininity in general and weakness? if anything wouldn’t a guy outwardly rejecting gender norms be a strength? The self-confidence and security to not conform to social standards and to define their own identity? Someone not scared of how others would react to their self expression, not controlled by expectations? There are guys on both sides who ‘worship’ women, there are also guys who base their personalities or success around their …
/r/MensRights21/01/23 03:51 PM
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eh, it’s a helpful example as to why saying someone did something isn’t as bad as actually doing it for the most part
/r/MensRights21/01/23 12:27 AM
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But it looks like the original comment is overgeneralising they were mistakenly linking the experience of body dysmorphia in cis guys with the experience of body dysmorphia in trans ppl, when it’s not the same. A treatment for one wouldn’t be a treatment for the other the reply wasn’t saying men don’t experience dysmorphia it was saying the dysmorphia is different, and as such pumping urself with T wouldn’t tackle the cause of dysmorphia
/r/MensRights21/01/23 12:18 AM
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it’s terrible advice to… be realistic? to think things through calmly? if you have this anxiety around being falsely accused, it’s bad advice to tell people to have sex with people they trust? sure i get what you tried to do, but the advise is solid, it works, it’s useful. that’s why you couldn’t come up with any criticisms for it
/r/MensRights21/01/23 12:10 AM
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sure, and it deserves its own space to talk about but i was replying to a comment that totally disregarded therapy as an option for men so my response was brief, correcting that and explaining the basic principals of what therapy hopes to achieve. it didn’t warrant a ‘pro’s and cons’, we weren’t evaluating
/r/MensRights21/01/23 12:06 AM
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the person i replied to didn’t present therapy in an unbiased way i was calling out that harmful bias, the competence / incompetence of certain therapists wasn’t the focus of the conversation
/r/MensRights20/01/23 10:54 PM
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feminism would constantly be talking about it though? more progressive facets of feminism would definitely call out more conservative / traditional stances around gender stereotypes. It’s just the parallel for toxic masculinity, i.e. women being shamed from showing aggression (this idea of ‘female rage’ and media depictions are good examples), slut-shaming would be another easy example I think the issue ppl run into is misinterpreting ‘feminism’ as a single entity. it often just buries discussio…
/r/MensRights20/01/23 10:50 PM
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‘gender stereotype’ tends to get the message across without making ppl feel attacked
/r/MensRights20/01/23 10:46 PM
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Just go on google scholar (or ur uni site equivalent), there are lots of scientific / peer reviewed studies in education i.e. lack of male role models in primary education you could also then link to gender differences in education in academic achievement, and the strong links role modelling has to motivation Maybe also extend to media portrayals of gender stereotypes. i.e. the traditionalist nuclear family in TV shows, common tropes of slapstick with men / sexualising women etc etc play around …
/r/MensRights20/01/23 10:32 PM
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so you can improve as a person and nurture a more healthy relationship for you and your partner right? am i missing something? is therapy not all about discovering or acknowledging flaws or problems within ourselves and developing methods and techniques for coping / remedying them? All that attitude seems to do is further push guys from showing vulnerability and seeking help for emotional distress. It’s a very anti-men stance
/r/MensRights20/01/23 10:25 PM
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There is a point to be made somewhere in regards to the lasting impacts of traditional / outdated cultural norms you could look at an example of a date, and how gendered archetypes fit to hurt everyone involved i.e. men having their value tied to aspects like how financially well off they are, coming out in ways like the expectation to pay the bill at the end of the date. and then for women their value is tied to their body and when you combine the two it creates the hostile dynamic of guys payi…
/r/MensRights20/01/23 10:21 PM
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Yh, but what do you do about it it’s the reality of a failing system Dolling out disproportionate punishments isn’t a sensible solution. Someone who accuses another of murder wouldn’t and shouldn’t get the same sentence as the person who killed someone at best you stick to a general deformation / damages lawsuit, because that’s the actual crime they committed.
/r/MensRights20/01/23 06:37 PM
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the reality of being trans makes it near impossible for them to be truly comfortable in their own skin, therapy has proven ineffective it’s gender dysphoria the world has been trying alternatives for years, and what do you know, a compelling number of recent credible scientific study surrounding transitioning demonstrate the absolute best for of treatment is allowing them to transition and accepting their gender identity your ignorance of the science surrounding this topic and personal biases do…
/r/MensRights20/01/23 05:42 PM
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Looks like their 2nd sentence threw you, because they didn’t gatekeep body dysmorphia they just said testosterone use / purpose in trans people is very ‘’’different’’’ to testosterone use / purpose for cis guys with body dysmorphia the context and factors surrounding the body dysmorphia cis guys feel is different. Hence why the testosterone treatment isn’t universal, it doesn’t ‘solve’ the issue for cis guys, whereas for trans people it tackles the gender dysphoria part and then in turn body dys…
/r/MensRights20/01/23 05:30 PM
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Didn’t the many following ‘Waves of feminism’ remedy these problems though? i.e. representing women of colour, LGBTQ women etx
/r/MensRights20/01/23 04:47 PM
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beg we stop fantasising about imaginary double standards this role-play shit just distracts from genuine discourse and devalues genuine double standards
/r/MensRights20/01/23 04:06 PM
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I feel like focusing on gender like this is almost missing the mark in the wider scope of conversation wouldn’t it be more about traditional and oppressing social norms as a whole, historic and outdated values of chastity. In the past women would gain value solely through submission to a man, bargained by their fathers in marriage, with very close ties between ‘chastity’ and their worth. And men through providing / protecting etc Women would therefore be statistically more likely to slut shame e…
/r/MensRights20/01/23 03:45 PM
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God not Jordan Peterson, dude is so embarrasing
/r/MensRights20/01/23 02:44 PM
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my reputation / life wouldn’t get ruined though i get that this sub will only really parrot one side but sexual assault victims very very rarely get any form of justice (important when we’re looking at men and how they’re less likely to be believed) i could sue for deformation but like, what’s the point. just like victims of sexual assault it’s more often than not fruitless and much too difficult to truly pursue and get justice for
/r/MensRights20/01/23 02:11 PM
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the perfect advice is to be realistic, calm down, and have sex with people you trust and to not get too worked up / feed into the anxiety through proposing unhelpful things that essentially contribute to the bastardising what consent means. It’s so silly to just disregard consent’s revocable / fluid nature
/r/MensRights20/01/23 02:06 PM
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sure, and that’s a choice you are entitled to that being said, it seems like a side better expressed in hypotheticals. If you’re with someone and you really really connect, then their bodycount shouldn’t rlly matter, you’re not likely to totally blank them in a real life scenario just because they’ve got more bodies
/r/MensRights20/01/23 02:02 PM
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The family court example isn’t the best to use because it’s not really about ‘legal inequality’ but more-so an issue of toxic stereotypes and gender norms that make men less likely to take an active role in the life of their child When guys actively seek child support there are typically no issues with them receiving 50/50 custody considering how a huge majority of the time, the mother is the primary caregiver So, this points to the actual issue being a wider societal one based around sexist ste…
/r/MensRights20/01/23 01:02 AM
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that wouldn’t do anything other than making you look a little weird ppl can feel coerced / lie, this is a pointless defence.
/r/MensRights20/01/23 12:53 AM
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neither of those come remotely close to demonstrating that ‘nearly all cases are prosecuted’ anomalies aren’t representative, this is a important topic, it’s beyond me why you’d fear-monger / spread blatant unscientific misinformation
/r/MensRights20/01/23 12:51 AM
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murky waters a huge majority of sexual assault / harassement claims never make it to court, it’s very hard to actually prove it someone made a false claim it also further deters victims who already have a mountain to climb as is and tbh if we’re talking about ‘getting the same sentence as the guy’ what are we talking, like a month in jail at best? maybe a year pushing it? if at all
/r/MensRights20/01/23 12:48 AM
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you generally don’t have to worry about being incarcerated, the odds are next to none, especially for the average person. just look at the rate of cases that even make it to court, let alone actually deemed guilty. Sexual assault is immensely hard to prove beyond a reasonable doubt for the most part, if you haven’t done anything, 10/10 there isn’t enough evidence and the case is dropped but, there is more of a foot to stand on regarding damage to your reputation / character, since that’s a more …
/r/MensRights20/01/23 12:45 AM
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Not necessarily If they’re the more sexually progressive type then the types of guys to value ‘purity / chastity’ probably aren’t go-to dating targets. Some guys might like an experienced women They also might not be interested in dating or, equally, not view past sexual experiences as relevant / important when starting a serious relationship with a guy
/r/MensRights19/01/23 09:59 PM
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the problem i see with that is that the definition of ‘patriarchy’ that you’re using is much too rigid and oversimplified. And then you’re using that slightly skewed definition to argue against and in turn inappropriately discredit the ideology as a whole. This definition would typically fit general discourse on the patriarchy much much better: “Patriarchy is a system of relationships, beliefs, and values embedded in political, social, and economic systems that structure gender inequality betwee…
/r/MensRights19/01/23 09:40 PM
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is it about self respect? because from where i am it makes more sense that the person is simply not tying their sexual activity to respect or value having lots / not a lot of sex isn’t relevant to their self-esteem or self-respect. Or even if it has a impact it’s not viewed as significant or defining to their identity
/r/MensRights19/01/23 08:26 PM
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people have a right to a preference others have a right to judge that preference both are perfectly fine, you can’t ‘thought police’ ppl’s judgement of you
/r/MensRights19/01/23 08:22 PM
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or, alternatively a person with a high body count doesn’t correlate the number of sexual partners they’ve had with their value as a person and as such don’t care about the outdated views on ‘chastity’ Unless you’re showing something vaguely scientific, all you can really end up hoping to achieve is low-ball slut shaming
/r/MensRights19/01/23 08:21 PM
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seems like pretty reasonable judgement like ppl are saying, ppl are allowed a preference, but that also means people are allowed to judge them for that preference
/r/MensRights19/01/23 08:10 PM
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isn’t it exactly what you’d expect? men would pay more taxes because men would typically be in more powerful / financially superior positions and due to women’s lower position, they end up being the benefactors of more welfare based support? And like you touch on at the end, women are seen to have these ‘benefits’ due to what is essentially their lower social status. The obligation or expectation to ‘protect’ and ‘guide’ women results in. They receive this treatment as a result of a patriarchal …
/r/MensRights19/01/23 07:39 PM
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not particularly but that’s moreso because i don’t particularly agree with the stereotype of being stoic in the face of heavy expense to yourself i was going through a difficult time a while back and the main thing that helped me was taking, opening up about my feelings, thoughts, frustrations. The best way to tackle this (seemingly toxic in your case) stereotype is by being vulnerable, opening up, or else you‘lol struggle to find relief. If not your partner, immediate family can work, especiall…
/r/MensRights19/01/23 06:36 PM
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regular testing was discontinued because it was unreliable this would relate to instances where a person has say, a semi-active sex life with different people. they may get regularly tested for STI’s because that’s the responsible thing to do so now that it isn’t a thing, on-top of the prevalence of asymptomatic herpes, people may simply be unaware of their status. this puts into question your point about ‘it being obvious’, you being ‘able to see it’. there will be more people who are unaware o…
/r/MensRights16/09/22 11:26 PM
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i never said 70% did and my original replies were about the stigma and inconsistent standard between HSV-1 and HSV-2 forcing that distinction proves that point, acting as if HSV-2 is somehow much much worse or totally changes the nature of the conversation despite… HSV-1 being just as if not more easily transmissible, and something that can cause HSV-2 through oral sex my point doesn’t become any less or any more valid just because you broke Herpes into 2 different areas of infection
/r/MensRights16/09/22 11:16 PM
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‘HSV-1 is mainly transmitted via contact with the virus in sores, — saliva or surfaces in or around the mouth — Less commonly, HSV-1 can be transmitted to the genital area through oral-genital contact to cause genital herpes. It can be transmitted from oral or skin surfaces that appear normal; however, the greatest risk of transmission is when there are active sores. People who already have HSV-1 are not at risk of reinfection, but they are still at risk of acquiring HSV-2’ Link - Under Transmis…
/r/MensRights16/09/22 11:07 PM
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Enlightening links for the uninformed general ideas of how reinforcing this stigma puts more immunocompromised ppl at risk. This type of attitude places blame and shame on people with herpes making them less likely to disclose their status https://www.bannerhealth.com/healthcareblog/teach-me/hsv1-and-hsv2-breaking-the-stigma-of-herpes https://www.verywellhealth.com/addressing-herpes-stigma-3132586 https://herpes.org.uk/how-herpes-got-its-stigma/
/r/MensRights16/09/22 11:02 PM
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sure i understand that it’s a very genuine problem for immunocompromised people however i also understand that there is a strong relatively unsubstantial stigma surrounding the STI i also understand that playing into this stigma is what hurts more people. By shaming people with this STI, you are deterring people from disclosing their status and as a result, inadvertently putting more people at risk some links to explain this: https://www.bannerhealth.com/healthcareblog/teach-me/hsv1-and-hsv2-bre…
/r/MensRights16/09/22 10:59 PM
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And yet you've been vehemently arguing against it for hours so? it’s entertaining to sprinkle in some discussion over background tv. your assumptions aren’t going to get you anywhere There's a lot of other words there but not a single one addressing my point that there is no stigma against genital herpes that’s because you gotta do a bit of looking yourself This link mentions it alongside info you might find helpful i’m sure you could good ‘Herpes Stigma’ and find hundreds of results but since y…
/r/MensRights16/09/22 10:20 PM
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it is based on the suggestion that women were disadvantaged and underrepresented, and as a result women need extra help this is from the impression that women were historically disadvantaged specifically educationally and opportunity wise. i.e. women discouraged from being independent and working, in favour of having children and taking care of them. And as a result, women were socially discouraged or shamed for seeking higher educational and job-based opportunities
/r/MensRights16/09/22 10:14 PM
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do you want an answer / care about it? surely you’d look it up yourself, it’s just a bit lazy link —> maybe in the future idk, comes across as disingenuous to engage without putting in any effort to research yourself. I’m venting, you’re going above and beyond the rest, but literally every person responding knows absolutely fuck all about herpes and hasn’t done any research whatsoever. Like, it just shows a lack of care or genuine interest. But then again, what was i expecting, i know how reacti…
/r/MensRights16/09/22 10:10 PM
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i’m not personally worried about the stigma, it isn’t something that currently effects me in my relationship. i also don’t think people should care because i did my own thinking and didn’t personally agree with the ideas heralded by the negative stigma i’m just parroting general ideas from the comments of the original linked post because of course i will, people are evidently misunderstanding the points made and commenting shit that is already rebutted in the linked posts’ comments regarding the…
/r/MensRights16/09/22 10:01 PM
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I feel like this misunderstands the nature of society though. Having a leader with certain characteristics doesn’t change how society operated, the queen still grew up and was raised in a patriarchal society, she would still subscribe to the patriarchal themes and ideas and if you actually look at elizabethan society you don’t see the average woman holding much social / hierarchal power compared to the average man
/r/MensRights16/09/22 09:59 PM
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v1 is still herpes it’s still just as, if not more contractable if you think of how you’re more likely to kiss someone than shag them 70% of people do have herpes, this is a fact like, they are the same disease lmao, they are both herpes, the core difference is what part of the body they’re cropping up on
/r/MensRights16/09/22 09:50 PM
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were you aware that someone with just ‘cold sores’ can transmit HSV-2 to someone through oral sex? You have herpes, it doesn’t matter where it is on your body it’s still just as likely to give someone herpes aren’t you dismissing the number because you’re subscribing to a stigma? Either you view the two as equally bad or equally common / equally concerning, otherwise you’re a hypocrite
/r/MensRights16/09/22 09:44 PM
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it’s exposing a widespread hypocrisy surrounding herpes my edit explains it a little better
/r/MensRights16/09/22 09:12 PM
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people don’t understand, they’re trying to create this division in HSV-1 and 2 as if it proves my point wrong when really it’s proving me right, both can be interchangeably transferred through oral sex yet here they are, acting as if only genital herpes is an issue
/r/MensRights16/09/22 09:12 PM
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that’s genital herpes not herpes Herpes refers to HSV-1 and HSV-2 And HSV-1 can be transferred from one person to another, through oral sex, into HSV-2
/r/MensRights16/09/22 09:11 PM
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still don’t get why they shouldn’t be treated the same is it really because one is sometimes harder to see? as well as acting as if everyone is as responsible as the people in your personal anecdotes are also… you can be asymptomatic, not show signs of cold sores for years. and regular testing had been discontinued because it’s unreliable unless physical sores are present. AND it’s so common that generally it’s not medically seen as a big problem
/r/MensRights16/09/22 09:09 PM
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70% odd people have some form of herpes 10% odd have genital herpes and all forms of herpes are transmissible. so Oral herpes can be transferred from 1 person into HSV-2 via oral sex why make a distinction? surely people should be disclosing both right? but they don’t, and you’re making excuses for them
/r/MensRights16/09/22 09:05 PM
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I think you missed the point where she didn’t actually inform him until after they had sex meaning he could not give informed consent oh true, i though they mentioned it before The comments here are trying to paint him as a villain and I think it speaks in the fact that mens consent is often over looked. not really, the comments paint him as a villan because of his views regarding herpes He clearly would not have wanted to have sex if he knew. She knew that and decided to not say anything potent…
/r/MensRights16/09/22 09:03 PM
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Herpes infections are very common. Fifty to 80 percent of American adults have oral herpes (HSV-1), which causes cold sores or fever blisters in or around the mouth. Genital herpes, caused by HSV-1 or HSV-2, affects one out of every six people in the U.S. age 14 to 49. Genital herpes infections can be asymptomatic, or can show up as outbreaks of blisters or sores i.e. you can get HSV-2 from someone with HSV-1, through oral sex in you’re average couple, surely they should be treated the same righ…
/r/MensRights16/09/22 08:55 PM
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that’s why i said 70% of people have herpes
/r/MensRights16/09/22 08:54 PM
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what did she do with her ‘’’’power’’’’? the most powerful person on the planet surely made some important decisions right… right?
/r/MensRights16/09/22 08:51 PM
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not really, most people just wear protection, and as some of the comments in the original post state most people really don’t care it’s pretty weird to insist on these assumption despite… the information you have available on the linked post clearly explaining otherwise
/r/MensRights16/09/22 08:45 PM
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the World Health Organisation… most people already have it, and most are equally unaware of having it you can ‘not want it’ whilst also acknowledging the stigma and looking at it rationally i’m not saying you’re not allowed to not want it
/r/MensRights16/09/22 04:40 PM
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then you misunderstood my comment and ran with the assumptions i explained the existence of a stigma, that’s all
/r/MensRights16/09/22 04:24 PM
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herpes is normal 70% of ppl have it, that is quite literally normal lol
/r/MensRights16/09/22 04:16 PM
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why are you placing incel labels in the MRM sub lol do you want me to explain it differently so you understand the point i’m making?
/r/MensRights16/09/22 04:15 PM
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‘equally feared’… suggesting maybe people should be less afraid of Herpes, and not lumping it at the fear-factor of other more serious STD’s as you tried to do look at it rationally, look at the context, look at how immensely common it is and then make a judgement. Rather than basing it off a vague blanket stance towards all STD’s
/r/MensRights16/09/22 04:12 PM
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it’s not just ‘an STD’ that’s deceptive language to unfairly place it in the same league as HIV or other rarer and typically more threatening / concerning diseases it’s Herpes, it needs to be understood in its appropriate individual sphere, not all STD’s are the same or things to be equally feared.
/r/MensRights16/09/22 04:06 PM
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is it really power though? i’d say she was more a symbol of power she did not personally actually have much power or influence over what was happening in the country. Britain is a democracy, most important decisions come from the government, not 1 simple person it also doesn’t disprove the patriarchy
/r/MensRights16/09/22 03:43 PM
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i still don’t see why they shouldn’t be treated the same though, a clear distinction seems unnecessary having cold sores is still herpes, you can still infect someone through receiving oral from someone with cold sores
/r/MensRights16/09/22 03:39 PM
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doubt it 70% of people have some form of herpes, in which case it’s more of an issue surrounding stigmas about the STD rather than anything else edit: do people not realise someone with HSV-1 can transfer it to another person via oral sex? therefore giving the recipient HSV-2? you’re acting as if this shouldn’t be treated the same and really honing in on this distinction when it doesn’t change anything weirdly enough it just acts to further prove my point of an existing stigma against HSV-2 and …
/r/MensRights16/09/22 03:23 PM
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well… yeah you made a silly post, ofc ppl will criticise you when you make a bad point if you didn’t want interaction why respond to criticisms in the first place?
/r/MensRights16/09/22 03:05 PM
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i’m not the one replying to basic criticisms with emotional deflections you can keep trying i guess, won’t invalidate my points though :/
/r/MensRights16/09/22 02:53 PM
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the 2nd slide on this post
/r/MensRights16/09/22 02:45 PM
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odds are you probably have it and are unaware of it. i’d assume like many of the 3.8odd billion people who also have some form of herpes
/r/MensRights16/09/22 02:40 PM
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i just explained out how silly your point was i didn’t realise you’d take it so personally :o
/r/MensRights16/09/22 02:38 PM
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read the top comment from the (linked*) post, it’s explains it all very clearly
/r/MensRights16/09/22 02:30 PM
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it’s a totally unnecessary stretch which ultimately devalues the point it’s trying to make this is a totally separate topic being inappropriately forced into some sort of double standard with no actual evidence. you can easily make the point op is trying to make without applying it to a context it doesn’t belong just look at the top comment, it specifically addresses the stigma against herpes and the inconsistent logic. not a semblance of discussion about the persons gender or any hint that gend…
/r/MensRights16/09/22 02:30 PM
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fitting response tbh it’s like, you don’t really have a valid reply and you sort of know you’ve been proven wrong. so all you can do is cry
/r/MensRights16/09/22 02:28 PM
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it’s not really a fact though is it it’s more just a flimsy observation. It better established a basic misunderstanding of what a patriarchy is or implies, as well as an intentional ignorance of monarchal history.
/r/MensRights16/09/22 02:11 PM
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you mean every person in power just look at like… every politician
/r/MensRights16/09/22 02:07 PM
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couldn’t it instead be that the rules were made with this patriarchal understanding that women were weak and in need of extra protection? men were there to keep them safe because they couldn’t made decisions for themselves the nature of women being advantaged could actually point more in support of some form of patriarchy. its a result of women not being viewed as equals
/r/MensRights16/09/22 02:04 PM
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There are probably better examples to try and make this point than… a queen existing who inherited the throne - as queens typically have done for centuries - alongside her having essentially no real power over decision making And even if to make a point, you falsely claimed she had any real influence over the countries rule. That would still merely make her an exception. it’s not as if women were particularly privileged under Mary I / II or Elizabeth the first
/r/MensRights16/09/22 01:58 PM
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i think you’re missing the point by trying to force this into a discussion about men’s rights / double standards Ppl can have contraceptive preferences, just like how some guys prefer sex without a condom. she’s not done anything wrong really, disclosed her status to him so consent isn’t really the core problem. especially so when you look at how insanely common herpes is. one of the comments sort of hit the nail on the head, 70% of people under 50 have some form of herpes. the main issue here i…
/r/MensRights16/09/22 01:35 PM
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enjoying porn has nothing to do with this watching porn is an action being gay is not an action i think you’ve misunderstood something down the line, jump back to where the convo started one is a choice / an action, the other is neither, that is the answer to the original question, anything past that is distracting or missing the point. or maybe misunderstanding the fundamental difference between the two
/r/MensRights15/09/22 08:49 PM
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you choose to watch porn you don’t choose your sexual orientation it’s doesn’t get any more complicated and doing so is going beyond the scope of the original question
/r/MensRights15/09/22 08:36 PM
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it’s not scapegoating though it’s an issue that sits alongside many others that all contribute to male sexual dissatisfaction. Like it’s relation to say, unhealthy porn consumption, unhealthy masturbation habits, circumcision, attitudes towards sex etc etc. it’s a cog in a bigger machine that absolutely deserves attention it’s very silly to dismiss / ignore it, when taking it seriously can genuinely help improve mens sexual satisfaction.
/r/MensRights15/09/22 08:27 PM
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it’s a spectrum some people are more gay than others in a sense, and some may veer more towards women or men depending on their own personal experiences etc, i.e. bisexual ultimately though, this doesn’t really mean anything. either way there is no ‘choice’, you don’t actively choose to develop an attraction, same-sex or not. that’s why it’s different to watching porn. one is a active decision / action. the other is an innate attraction
/r/MensRights15/09/22 08:23 PM
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it’s not always about attraction a lot of the death grip stuff actually comes from younger guys who are generally more likely to have an unhealthy relationships with porn / masturbation in general and ofc being circumcised is something that just adds to the difficulty as you lose sensation, lose the natural friction, and as a result are more likely to struggle to finish note this is also about finishing, not just getting an erection. many guys could maintain an erection but struggle to finish du…
/r/MensRights15/09/22 08:18 PM
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yes… that would make you gay, you have an attraction to the same sex that’s the definition, there really isn’t anything else to it, you’d just be a celibate gay man / in a sexually unfulfilling relationship if you never pursued the same-sex attraction
/r/MensRights15/09/22 08:05 PM
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it’s victim-blaming when you’re… blaming the victim you can’t ‘blame a victim’ if the person isn’t a victim yet it’s about how someone responds to a situation. telling a woman who gets assaulted that she ‘shouldn’t have been walking alone in dark areas at night’ is victim blaming, plain and simple there’s a difference between that and you cautioning someone
/r/MensRights15/09/22 08:00 PM
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if a representative for a group says something is an issue, generally it’s an issue the people that group represents have. it’s silly to totally dismiss it because a couple strains of feminist discuss it
/r/MensRights15/09/22 07:58 PM
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what makes you think that thiugh
/r/MensRights15/09/22 07:52 PM
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it does though, there’s nothing shameful about stating a fact it’s a genuine problem some men face, something you shouldn’t be rejecting / reducing to ‘shaming’. it’s affecting a couples intimacy / an individuals’ sexual satisfaction but you’re shitting it down as if it doesn’t matter the solutions should be openly talked about rather than shit down and labelled
/r/MensRights15/09/22 07:47 PM
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what does that have to do with anything though
/r/MensRights15/09/22 07:44 PM
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taking unsolicited pictures of coworkers you don’t really know isn’t a spectacular look doesn’t really matter the context, it’s gunna come off as creepy and weird
/r/MensRights14/09/22 04:25 PM
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but that isn’t really what the metoo movement stands for fringe groups of people weaponising the movement shouldn’t totally negate the actual widespread message
/r/MensRights14/09/22 04:13 PM
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you can be afraid to bring it up then you gain support or gain confidence in something being done about it then you report it and i’m not sure what all the ‘is it really sexual assault’ comment was. that’s very out of touch, you’re spending too much time on this sub seeing the absolute fringe radical feminists talking about obviously ridiculous standards for sexual assault i’m not gunna go out of my way to insult possible victims of sexual assault by questioning their metric. and obviously if yo…
/r/MensRights14/09/22 04:11 PM
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that’s people making false accusations that isn’t people being encouraged to speak up about their own stories of assault
/r/MensRights14/09/22 03:34 PM
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what’s the correlation false accusations are an entirely separate sphere. they aren’t related to the movement dedicated to people speaking up about their sexual assault
/r/MensRights14/09/22 03:31 PM
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you can be stoic without it being unhealthy when your mental health and the relationships with the people you love are suffering purely because showing emotions is emasculating to a persob, that’s a problem again i can easily give you more examples of issues men face that stem from traditional stereotypes of the past? (none of this blames men either, it’s pointing out harmful stereotypes that affect men today)
/r/MensRights14/09/22 03:03 PM
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does it? isn’t it just being attracted to the same gender?
/r/MensRights14/09/22 03:01 PM
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there’s nothing wrong with taking unsolicited pictures of ppl?
/r/MensRights14/09/22 01:20 PM
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because sex is an achievement for men whereas sex is shameful for women it’s just rooted in bog standard sexism, think of virginity as a good example. women become less desirable if they have an active sex life, but this same standard doesn’t extend to men. women are called sluts, a male equivalent doesn’t really exist. countless myths about women ‘loosening up’ etc etc, and again no equivalent for men so when a guy has sex in any scenario, it’s an achievement, it’s a good thing, he’s ‘’’lucky’’…
/r/MensRights13/09/22 03:12 PM
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that’s a pretty disingenuous take sexual assault is notoriously underreported with pathetic conviction rates when approached legally not only that, people are afraid of reliving trauma, afraid of potential repercussions from the perpetrator / those around them, don’t recognise it as what it is or even simply don’t believe it would go anywhere. and ofc there’s the shame and anxiety that comes about from recognising your assault and reporting it there are numerous extremely valid reasons why poole…
/r/MensRights13/09/22 03:02 PM
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not a great look to call victims of sexual abuse coming out with their stories ‘’’spoiled children’’’
/r/MensRights13/09/22 02:46 PM
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that has nothing to do with the #MeToo movement though
/r/MensRights13/09/22 02:45 PM
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wearing a dress has no bearing on behaviour it’s an item of clothing, let’s not be dramatic, especially when we look at how flimsy it is as an indicator of ‘’’’masculinity’’’’ historically / culturally (think about kilts, tribal-wear or its historical use from the wealthy elites) being realistic, the real reason for any sort of ‘decline’ is the insanely insecure and fragile standard of ‘masculinity’ that you’re clinging to. if all it takes of a piece of fabric to shatter your masculine identity,…
/r/MensRights12/09/22 07:58 PM
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if you are exclusively sexually attracted to the same sex, that makes you gay idk why you’re saying ‘attracted to something’. this is sexual orientation, it doesn’t have some sort of deeper meaning
/r/MensRights12/09/22 07:26 PM
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wearing a dress? that comes across as extremely fragile, masculinity is obviously a firm enough construct to not totally collapse from wearing dress lmao.
/r/MensRights12/09/22 06:51 PM
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do you need examples of the harms stemming from stereotypes around masculinity? you could say stoicism is an example of traditional masculinity and i would say the toxic form of that is emotionlessness / emotional unavailability. This leads into a number of issues, contributing to relationship breakdowns, poor mental health, anxiety etc do you want me to give more?
/r/MensRights12/09/22 06:48 PM
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good for you but what does that have to do with me telling you men have the capacity for empathy AND assertiveness
/r/MensRights12/09/22 06:45 PM
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not sure i follow Adhd has absolutely nothing to do with aggression, and it’s a bit of a stretch make a direct link with having excess energy / being hyper it doesn’t touch at all on the Attention Deficit side of things, and the hyperactivity disorder sort of leans more into ‘disruptive’ behaviours. this is things like struggling to sit still, shouting out, extreme impulsivity etc. a kid can be hyper without having ADHD / disruptive behaviours. i think you’re just oversimplifying ADHD a little b…
/r/MensRights12/09/22 06:41 PM
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when women do them, they’re still toxic / harmful and separation is important. the socialisation boys face compared with girls is different, it nurtures differing types of toxicity, hence the term ‘toxic masculinity’. it’s stereotypical traits ascribed to men as the outdated ‘ideal traditional masculinity’. it simply doesn’t apply to women in the same way, it doesn’t make sense
/r/MensRights12/09/22 03:04 PM
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when women do them, they’re still toxic / harmful and separation is important. the socialisation boys face compared with girls is different, it nurtures differing types of toxicity, hence the term ‘toxic masculinity’. it’s stereotypical traits ascribed to men as the outdated ‘ideal traditional masculinity’. it simply doesn’t apply to women in the same way, it doesn’t make sense
/r/MensRights12/09/22 03:00 PM
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men shouldn’t have a delicate side? what gives you the impression that people can’t interact with the world differently depending on the situation? if you’re ‘pretty’ why are you incapable of also being a ‘less delicate’ alternative
/r/MensRights12/09/22 02:45 PM
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wdym by add and adhd being bullshit?
/r/MensRights12/09/22 02:40 PM
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i’d say emotional intelligence nourishes society no? these are all traits surrounding self-love, aspirations and social adeptness telling men they shouldn’t be caring / emotional / self-loving / sensitive / arty is basically just misandry against the types of men you don’t personally agree with.
/r/MensRights12/09/22 02:38 PM
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why the /s? do you not want an empathetic calming police officer to help sort out the situation? you realise someone can be gentle and reserved whilst also being brave and assertive right? it’s about catering your behaviour depending on the situation, rather than constantly being aggressive
/r/MensRights12/09/22 02:08 PM
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why are we making up imaginary scenarios though? the reason these bots exist is because there’s a scam market that’s exclusive to guys. this type of this would never have a gender swapped alternative because they wouldn’t scam anyone, there wouldn’t be any point
/r/MensRights12/09/22 01:50 PM
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because Matt Walsh told you to?
/r/MensRights12/09/22 01:38 PM
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what kind of man wouldn’t support other men in expressing themselves in a way that makes them happy?
/r/MensRights12/09/22 01:29 PM
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why not the act?
/r/MensRights12/09/22 01:28 PM
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it’s probably because you’re insecure with a crippling victim complex and women don’t find that attractive
/r/MensRights12/09/22 01:00 PM
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thought we’d be past fantasising about double standards by now
/r/MensRights12/09/22 12:48 PM
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i’m not entirely sure why that’s an indicator of a bad article institutional racism is pretty well studied and significant field and it’s not as if racism isn’t something that interacts uniquely with people depending on certain characteristics such as gender / sexuality / culture etc
/r/MensRights12/09/22 12:18 PM
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You can find a man attractive without finding them sexually attractive, i don’t think i was super clear with what i meant by ‘attraction’ That sexual attraction is what i’m focusing on, the innate sexual arousal that pretty much determines someone’s sexuality. Someone can be gay, they can experience same-sex attraction / arousal without making any sort of active choice or decision that’s what i meant when suggesting one was an active decision or choice, and the other was not. it does sort of dep…
/r/MensRights12/09/22 11:35 AM
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Their rigid reactionary takes sort of apply to both, or at least one leaks into the other people like Ben Shapiro are reducing masculinity to a toxic stereotype: the types to deter men from embracing their emotional sides, taking primary / equal caregiver roles, one that centres a man’s value on their income or ability to provide, and just general sexist stereotypes that harm men and women. and they base these stereotypes on an outdated and unrepresentative idea of biology, explaining and justif…
/r/MensRights12/09/22 11:28 AM
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that makes more sense but i do still believe violence against a marginalised group is generally going to be more noteworthy as the violence all too often is as a result of their underprivileged position in society, when it can’t always be said to the same standard for other groups
/r/MensRights31/08/22 03:06 PM
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if we don’t know, let’s stick to the data we do have, without making up and sticking to big scary numbers build from the facts and proof we do have access to, rather than jumping straight into the deep end with unsubstantiated claims especially because of how such techniques tend to favour shallow and reactionary understandings of the situation, failing to account for say… the number of people who never report the crime
/r/MensRights31/08/22 01:44 PM
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But when it happens to an incredibly marginalised subsection of men it’s more noteworthy he was attacked for being a certain type of man, adding this distinction doesn’t really make sense And let’s not pretend this sub isn’t also filled with posts about men in general being attacked. on the surface level it shouldn’t be judged any differently or have its relevance criticised
/r/MensRights31/08/22 01:42 PM
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a trans man a man, who happens to also be trans it’s a characteristic, same as ethnicity or sexual orientation. it doesn’t make any sense to exclude different variations / minorities of men from the MRM just because they aren’t fitting some: straight / cis / white, standard
/r/MensRights31/08/22 01:32 PM
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you bring up a wikipedia article? not a scientific study? the types that account for this disparity hence why it’s a rough estimate from lows of 2% to highs of 10% do you think 50% is a remotely scientific or appropriate statistic? because as far as i can tell it’s a wholly emotional stance bottom line, we have statistically significant data in the 2-10%, we don’t have any data whatsoever on the ‘50%’, so logically, we don’t make unsubstantiated claims that indirectly cause pointless harm and pa…
/r/MensRights31/08/22 12:26 PM
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because he was attacked based solely for being trans trans men fall under the umbrella of mens rights and as such are entitled to equal discussion
/r/MensRights31/08/22 12:21 PM
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The numbers of false accusations roam around around 2-10% as the scientific data suggests. if you care you’d look into it at all and posing that false accusation point against the underreporting % is just in bad bad faith i’m not making false inflammatory claims to fear-monger. i’m trying to stop people from spreading blatant misinformation that’s harmful to men and women alike. grounding the issue in reality shouldn’t be a bad thing. throw about as many personal anecdotes as you want it doesn’t…
/r/MensRights31/08/22 12:08 PM
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it’s 1 example of many each study ranges from 2-10% of accusations being proved as false the results are consistent with the general scientific consensus all of which consistently demonstrate how embarrassing this ‘50%’ notion is
/r/MensRights31/08/22 11:59 AM
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”behavior exhibiting overwhelming or unmanageable fear or emotional excess political hysteria The plague had caused mass hysteria in the village” but maybe hyperbole’s were a bit too ambitious of me
/r/MensRights31/08/22 11:48 AM
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That’s gunna happen when you don’t look Got one but please also do your own research and stop feeding into this ‘50% of rape accusations are false’ bullshit
/r/MensRights31/08/22 11:46 AM
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that’s a terrible comparison something like 60% of rape cases are never even reported, and of the ones that are, a wide majority never get a conviction. surprise surprise because rape is hard to prove. you’re being incredibly disingenuous if you’re minimising ALL rape stats as a whole, to the very rare case of criminal convictions. and comparing that to the 5% +- 5. stats on false accusations
/r/MensRights31/08/22 11:45 AM
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exactly, an opinion it’s not true, it’s a flimsy bias this study could help clear up some misconceptions if you’re interested enough
/r/MensRights31/08/22 11:38 AM
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FDS? this is basic stuff, like historical common sense, daughters were widely viewed as property and sold off in a marriage, this is an objective fact, that’s not a sexist thing to state.
/r/MensRights31/08/22 11:37 AM
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they mention fear of repercussion and fear of not being believed i assumed you’d be able to connect the dots there
/r/MensRights31/08/22 11:35 AM
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you didn’t see the transcripts? wasn’t it pretty established that they were both abusive?
/r/MensRights31/08/22 11:05 AM
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a complete myth? you’re genuinely trying to argue that these fathers were selling their daughters off to a husband based on… how pretty he was? not… how much money he’d get? or make? you’ve got a very backwards understanding of the past if this is how you’re portraying things
/r/MensRights30/08/22 07:50 PM
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isn’t that misogynistic?
/r/MensRights30/08/22 07:43 PM
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edit: just a bit of thought before saying harmful shit is all i’m asking. not nearly enough ppl are thinking for themselves and doing their own research. it’s such a shame this sub devolves into a circlejerk whenever a topic like this comes up https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21164210/ , but the truth is important. im glad at least someone is thinking a little for themselves in the thread below, like they said let’s not feed into the embarrassing ‘50%’ entirely emotional ‘stat’. dismissing victim…
/r/MensRights30/08/22 07:39 PM
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hormone treatments are only considered after what, 2 odd years + of therapy and counselling beforehand? ignoring anomalies i’m for therapy and then appropriate medical services afterwards. And saying it’s mutilation is a little dramatic, we’re talking mainly about hormone treatment, not bottom / top surgery
/r/MensRights30/08/22 07:35 PM
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true about your first points but is 1 article from the 1980’s really a smart hill to die on? could you possibly find some more up-to-date studies to justify the claim? it’s just not particularly credible evidence after such a long time
/r/MensRights30/08/22 07:33 PM
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Here’s one on the many reasons victims don’t report or in this one here about false accusations as a whole you’ll get the same general message in the conclusion, might be insightful here’s a general one on why victims don’t report. it’s also got some deeper dives in the references which ideally you could look at to get a better picture to avoid defending harmful stances in the future you could also do some work yourself if you’re gunna go to the effort of trying to discredit something in the fir…
/r/MensRights30/08/22 07:16 PM
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i’m glad you’ve personally had a good run of it, but that anecdote means absolutely nothing i’m talking about facts, statistics, the realities of the situation on the general population, not just those fortunate enough to not be affected
/r/MensRights30/08/22 04:13 PM
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this isn’t about engaging with your sexuality though i said that you can’t choose what you’re attracted to. You don’t make the decision to get turned on my men / women, it’s innate You can however choose to watch or to not watch porn one is a choice, one very much isn’t and as such from the churches POV (assumptions it’s vaguely gay-affirming) watching porn is an active choice and a cognitive decision to engage in what they view as a sinful action (lust etc) whereas being gay isn’t an active dec…
/r/MensRights30/08/22 04:11 PM
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and equally validly, i view refusing medical treatments to a vulnerable / marginalised populations as abusive. it takes years of counselling to even get to the point where someone can take steps to physically transition ultimately it’s just a difference in opinion. You really should have just led with that, rather than starting with such a dogwank disingenuous metaphor
/r/MensRights30/08/22 04:02 PM
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wdym citation needed this would be common sense if it wasn’t already demonstrated thorough multiple different studies there’s already enough hostility towards reporting a SA as is, it’s extremely obvious that more people will be deterred if they’re scared of being punished for reporting the crime
/r/MensRights30/08/22 02:46 PM
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it’s not insane though most of the CSA victims would be girls, and you’re most likely to get assaulted by someone you know, i.e. a family member pair that with how most men are straight it makes sense that they would make up the majority demographic of people in the situation to assault a child
/r/MensRights30/08/22 02:43 PM
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nothing changes the social norm is much more tolerant towards girls showing emotions than guys boys are inevitably going to have less emotional intelligence / vulnerability when growing up in a society since those skills aren’t encouraged and you see that in your example, boys didn’t care / didn’t get visibly emotional, girls did it doesn’t really prove anything that some boys cried at the beginning because they were homesick p.s i’m sorry you had a childhood where your emotions were met with vi…
/r/MensRights29/08/22 07:46 PM
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So you're a nurture over nature sort of person i’ll acknowledge both, but most importantly i won’t use one as an excuse to dismiss the other. this push by the Hungarian government does exactly that, gunning for traditionally masculine traits rather than nurturing more productive ones ”It argues that ‘over-representation of women’ in universities weakens gender quality and ‘boyish traits’ are necessary for optimal development of the economy” The words "emotional and social maturity" don't really …
/r/MensRights29/08/22 07:41 PM
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i reckon you’re right i think the lack of real conclusion creates a bit of confusion. It brings up lots of different examples of ‘men’, but then criticising all of these avenues as unobtainable because… women want independence and won’t marry young. it just sort of says all the ‘men’ are gone and plates that up to the fault of women being independent idk, i might be missing something, or the article might just not be very well written. seems like that could be if looking at some of the other com…
/r/MensRights29/08/22 03:32 PM
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You only say it's meaningless because you simply do not care about kids being given chemical castration drugs. i said it’s meaningless because context is important putting a neurotypical kid on amphetamines is totally immoral and harmful putting a kid with ADHD on amphetamines isn’t immoral, and can actively help them treat their disability I'm not the only one who believes that giving kids chemical castration drugs to block their puberty cannot be done in a "safe and appropriate" context it sho…
/r/MensRights29/08/22 03:17 PM
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never heard of the phrase ‘boys don’t cry’? what about ‘man up’ maybe look for easier examples in the media? TV shows? if a man cries over anything outside of an armageddon scenario, it’s always played as a joke? ‘laugh at the funny weak man who can’t control his emotions!’. or even when he does that overplayed ‘single tear’ trope boys are taught in all manner of ways to suppress their emotions, healthily processing or expressing emotions is seen as a ‘weakness’. not acknowledging the reality of…
/r/MensRights29/08/22 03:04 PM
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i’d argue this wiring has little to no power compared to the environment the child grows up in. it’s gotta be one of the worst excuses you can find to justify not encouraging boys to develop their emotional and social maturity. especially when they’ll be infinitely better off of you do encourage it. just think of mens mental health. … It seems likely that it means boys are judged by how well they act like girls not sure that has much to do with my point. i’m criticising the overall misconception…
/r/MensRights29/08/22 03:00 PM
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probably gets them some friends sucks to see you essentially condemning the kid to a lonely and troubled life, pray he develops his own personality and breaks away from the toxic indoctrination
/r/MensRights29/08/22 02:53 PM
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huh? i have looked up ‘the truth’, why are you ignoring the proof just because you don’t like it? why would a real MRM defend such a pillar of toxic and insecure traits?
/r/MensRights29/08/22 02:50 PM
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i’m not sure what this has much to do with the overall point i (and the article itself) made about the overreaction / stereotype of false accusations it just seems like the data is being unfairly dismissed but even then, it doesn’t really matter. this is about false accusations, things people have brought to the police and of which have been thoroughly investigated. this isn’t about someone making a poorly worded comment that could be misinterpreted i still don’t see how the conclusions of me an…
/r/MensRights29/08/22 02:48 PM
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are people not realising the backwards values in this article? It’s very much the opposite of what the MRM should be giving a platform “Women have made the transition to manhood rather nicely, while men are transitioning to womanhood… Women want to be like men, but men don’t want to be like women” it’s reducing manhood to… being financially independent? being in the workforce? what a shallow and sexist standard it’s just signalling at archaic and oppressive gender roles. men work and provide, wo…
/r/MensRights29/08/22 02:31 PM
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never heard of TERFs? or ‘gender critical feminists’? and many people affirm trans people’s existence so the common talking points aren’t important. the identity / bathrooms / titles are all irrelevant because the view is nothings being ‘taken’. it’s just a trans woman correctly identifying themselves, you’re not invading a space if you’re already apart of if
/r/MensRights29/08/22 12:45 PM
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Illustrate an underlying vogue - that a man is a sexual predator unable to control himself around women and children. i agree with all of this what i don’t agree with is the reaction. you can make a valid commentary about wider problems surrounding men and predatory stereotypes, without pushing this idea that every waking moment you spend in the presence of a woman is a ticking time bomb that’s the common interpretation, and ofc it is because it’s the shallow and reactionary take that ppl for th…
/r/MensRights28/08/22 06:48 PM
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Weirdly, every man does face this every time he works with a woman ofc there’s a risk, but it’s about not exaggerating that risk. every single activity someone engages in has risks, but the average person won’t totally derail just to avoid that risk. people still drive cars despite the risks, still drink alcohol, still work with men/women despite the risks of sexual assault you need to place it in a real life situation, that is all, this entirely hypothetical start point for the argument people …
/r/MensRights28/08/22 04:44 PM
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they also indirectly fight against mens rights with things like their ridiculous and unscientific obsession with biological determinism and outdated attitudes towards men and women they’re not good role models, i’d go as far to call them terrible ones.
/r/MensRights28/08/22 02:45 PM
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this isn’t a shift towards equality though this is a push for more gender separation. further reinforcing toxic stereotypes than men can’t / shouldn’t be as emotional or strive for the same social maturity as women as stated in the article. Hungary is a horrible example, its values totally clash with the MRM
/r/MensRights28/08/22 02:11 PM
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edit: what are ppl downvoting? the quote is the exact type of thing the MRM should be firmly rejecting and calling out as misandrist drivel acting as if emotional and social maturity are feminine traits is such a idiotic notion it’s the exact thing that feeds into so many modern problems we face today, easy example being the dating world and a lack of skills possessed by boys to match women point being that these skills are learned, and by no means inherent traits. if boys were taught to cultiva…
/r/MensRights28/08/22 01:25 PM
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ppl like Ben Shapiro and Matt Walsh? the same ppl with these archaic values around what men should be? toxic attitudes that actively oppress men these guys are terrible role models, laughing stocks, they’re literally conservatives, they can’t be progressive which is what the MRM requires
/r/MensRights28/08/22 01:13 PM
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oh yeah that was hilarious, dudes a clown i think the difference is it’s not really a ‘protest’. he isn’t turning up to pro LGBT events to confront people. instead he breaks twitter rules by harassing trans people and throws tantrums
/r/MensRights28/08/22 12:54 PM
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it’s a terrible and meaningless comparison Just look at the world of medicine, you’re argument is a total failure if you look at countless drugs. e.g. Ket is for horses but people can take it medicinally. Taking certian amphetamines can help individuals with ADHD cope with their disability, but for the typical person it’s abusable and can be harmful. Hell, even birth control easily falls into this category the morality or justifiability of drugs obviously depends on whether or not you’re using i…
/r/MensRights28/08/22 12:30 PM
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i asked why you’d go that far
/r/MensRights28/08/22 12:26 PM
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can you find a better argument against hormone therapy? this one’s really boring and obviously deflecting from the point, maybe related to idk, research or acknowledgement surrounding trans people bit creepy to bring sex offenders into it, it’s very disingenuous and undermines your intelligence
/r/MensRights27/08/22 11:08 PM
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I agree that you are right but your attitude is one of "man up” not at all, i’m saying that gender segregation is a terrible solution that doesn’t fix the problem and that instead of running away from uncomfy situations, you address them and look for an actual solution. this isn’t sexist, this isn’t telling anyone to man up, it’s a totally genderless concept that boils down to how to correctly address the issue at hand and to not overreact … sometimes people aren't ready for that and attempting …
/r/MensRights27/08/22 11:05 PM
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not at all i’m placing the issue in the correct context so it can be appropriately addressed i’m not however lying and fear mongering, pretending it’s this immense issue every man will face, should take as gospel and be mortified of any sort of female interaction you can’t productively discuss an issue if you’re incapable of viewing it objectively and within reason. emotional responses give us shit like op’s suggestion, clearly it’s not useful
/r/MensRights27/08/22 10:45 PM
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it probably won’t happen to me and if for whatever reason it did, i’m not naive enough to blow the issue out of proportion. because for the 15th time that does absolutely fuck all in creating remotely productive discourse, as yet again you can see from the original comments’ braindead ‘solution’ i can acknowledge the reality that it’s statistically unlikely to ever happen to me whilst also understanding it’s an issue that some men may face.
/r/MensRights27/08/22 09:34 PM
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…a woman working with you and you did nothing even close to wrong is "blowing it out of proportion" then there's something wrong with you something can be extreme whilst also being massively blown out of proportion I guarantee if women had to live their whole lives walking on eggshells because any given man could take everything from them… this doesn’t really make sense. it’s a paranoid mindset, women could say the same shit about fear of sexual assault. spending their whole lives treading on eg…
/r/MensRights27/08/22 09:04 PM
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fr, its just a way of running away from problems and hiding from uncomfortable situations which, if anything, perpetuates them
/r/MensRights27/08/22 08:00 PM
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that’s what this ban is all about no? stopping inappropriate behaviour
/r/MensRights27/08/22 07:48 PM
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hormone therapy is a form of treatment for the ‘mental illness’
/r/MensRights27/08/22 07:43 PM
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the point is men won’t / people won’t consent to it because it’s not realistic
/r/MensRights27/08/22 07:38 PM
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just sign a prenup, problem solved
/r/MensRights27/08/22 07:03 PM
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i wouldn’t say it’s an extreme problem it’s important not to blow issues out of proportion in order to promote realistic and useful solutions optional segregation isn’t logistically sensible, it would never happen
/r/MensRights27/08/22 06:54 PM
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why go this far out of the way though it’s just very unrealistic
/r/MensRights27/08/22 06:43 PM
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that’s the sad reality of sexual assault no matter the gender, unless you have some sort of ‘proof’ nothing ever really happens
/r/MensRights27/08/22 06:42 PM
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it’s not a solution though you’re hiding from the problem, avoiding it, nothing is fixed
/r/MensRights27/08/22 06:15 PM
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segregation based on gender is going in the incorrect direction
/r/MensRights27/08/22 05:37 PM
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Oh yes, sorry I didn’t read what you said properly I agree, withdrawing consent after previously giving informed consent should be communicated I got confused
/r/MensRights26/08/22 01:04 PM
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I misspoke The comment before sort of implies once a girl goes home with you she’s essentially asking for it, they’re consenting, when they aren’t But that could just be like, the situation is a little nuanced and it’s easy to brush over the specifics
/r/MensRights26/08/22 12:55 PM
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Because the two situations are different One is online, you’re not actually uncomfortable you’re making a point, and if you block me the problem is gone In real life, you can’t block someone, they’ll keep staring Staring at someone is an action, being stared at isn’t, you prioritise the targeted individual in this situation. And it’s not like you’re gaining much from staring at someone to a point where it should overstep someone’s comfort
/r/MensRights26/08/22 12:51 PM
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I do agree, but a club is a private establishment
/r/MensRights26/08/22 12:48 PM
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Thats literally an example of personal bias… And that would be cultural bias The bigger picture being context. The data is applied as a blanket statement and fails to account for context Potentially and potentially not... it would require more information such as age range and region you live but there's probably studies that cover this topic that also addresses your concerns Point being the conclusions drawn are overgeneralisations lacking validity The point about Historical analysis is true, I…
/r/MensRights26/08/22 12:47 PM
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Why would I imagine a scenario which doesn’t exist You’ve obtained informed consent, in order to withdraw that consent you would have to say something. ‘Silent withdrawal’ isn’t a thing This context of this post is in situations where informed consent wasn’t obtained in the first place, not these imaginary hypotheticals
/r/MensRights26/08/22 12:16 PM
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Ok but in a huge majority of situations most people either won’t care in the moment and totally halt any momentum, or won’t consent to being recorded having sex with someone It’s just a take that can only really exist primarily as a hypothetical, there are outliers sure but that doesn’t mean it’s any less unrealistic
/r/MensRights26/08/22 12:12 PM
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You can exit the situation here no problem If you’re in a club it’s obviously not as easy
/r/MensRights26/08/22 11:57 AM
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It also comes form lived experience and the culture I’m from So for my age group, and for my area, for my culture, these types of statistics have less validity. I’m less likely to care or listen to them because they fail to appropriately reflect the society I live in Individualisation has been on a constant rise in younger populations across the years and as such, general statistics that are skewed through differing cultures such as religion, age groups and ethnicities/culture The stats surround…
/r/MensRights26/08/22 11:55 AM
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Edit: misunderstood Not really, the person who’s initiating should be responsible for obtaining informed consent What you’re alluding to is essentially victim blaming and forgives the rapist in instances when the victim freezes up or reluctantly lets it happens
/r/MensRights26/08/22 11:40 AM
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it’s important to know what you’re talking about Or else you’ll give bad / unrealistic advice like the original comment did
/r/MensRights26/08/22 10:18 AM
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It’s a choice to physically ‘transition’ It’s not a choice to be trans, I.e. born with gender dysphoria That’s the point I’ve always been making
/r/MensRights26/08/22 10:16 AM
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It’s a fact, it’s also a fact that has a number of contextual explanations It’s not because black people are Inherently more dangerous due to their skin colour, that’s racist It’s because of e.g. their history as slaves, as 2nd class citizens. These types of things encourage isolationist cultures, lower economic and social opportunities, opposition to authority. Because of all the context, it shows that the skin colour isn’t the reason people are committing crimes, it’s their socioeconomic statu…
/r/MensRights26/08/22 10:00 AM
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Clubbing is a different environment to a restaurant
/r/MensRights26/08/22 09:48 AM
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I’ll keep repeating myself until you either respond or address any of the points I’ve made, or stop responding altogether
/r/MensRights26/08/22 09:47 AM
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It’s about respect
/r/MensRights26/08/22 09:46 AM
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I think people are entitled to a little respect. If you’re making someone uncomfortable you should ideally stop, and the person you’re making uncomfortable is entitled to wanting you to stop, no matter how they’re dressed
/r/MensRights26/08/22 09:45 AM
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You could, it’d still be objectifying and equally moronic though
/r/MensRights26/08/22 09:39 AM
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It’s an overgeneralisation based on tissue paper psychology, aimed at shaming women for having sex Congrats you can twist unreliable data to push an agenda, doesn’t make it a fair or reasonable reflection of real life
/r/MensRights26/08/22 09:39 AM
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I’m saying it’s a waste to reject opportunities provided to you based on generalisations To me it all comes across as much too technical and not very real / Individualistic. It’s just too many preconceptions for me to fully jive with
/r/MensRights26/08/22 09:35 AM
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That’s an element There are people confused with their gender identity, I.e feminine men being pressured into transitioning But for every confused person, there are more confidently trans people, with any regret primarily coming from a lack of support These astronomical rises are what happens when social support rises, think at how many more people started identifying as gay when it became legalised etc. it’s not like suddenly more people have chosen to be gay, it’s just safer and less taboo to …
/r/MensRights26/08/22 09:29 AM
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I’d take the advice of someone who’s experienced it over someone who hasn’t Experience is valuable, insightful and realistic. Ignorance is not, it’s often shallow and unrealistic, based on technicalities and generalisations rather than understanding the individuality and nuances of sex
/r/MensRights26/08/22 09:22 AM
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This is a weird consent trap to fall for Someone can and should be able to withdraw consent at any given time for any given reason. Recording 1 instance of consent does fuck all, if anything pressuring people into sex they’ve changed their mind on
/r/MensRights26/08/22 09:13 AM
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Probably important for this conversation no?
/r/MensRights26/08/22 09:03 AM
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But if she changes her mind in the moment (Edit: and makes that known) and you don’t stop? How would you not be raping her in the instance where consent has been withdrawn?
/r/MensRights26/08/22 09:02 AM
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’Legislation that says consent cannot be assumed by default or silence was drawn up after ‘wolf pack’ case’ Rape is being recognised as rape. That’s the baseline This type of law wouldn’t ‘encourage’ false accusations, people make them regardless of the legal implications on the victim just like they always have It’s just a step forward in protecting people by reinforcing informed consent
/r/MensRights26/08/22 09:00 AM
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Why wouldn’t you, it’s one of those very unnecessary socially constructed preferences that plays into toxic beauty standards Harmful implications with negligible positives, it’s got nothing to do with ‘White-Knighting’ or ‘simping’ lol
/r/MensRights26/08/22 08:52 AM
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You really just need to communicate She’s just as entitled to not having sex with you as you are to wanting that level of intimacy, and this needs to be remembered in order to not forge unnecessary resentment Intimacy is still an important part of a relationship though, sexual compatibility is key and definitely a valid issue to be bringing up, but it’s still important to be able to respect of understand your partners needs and desires. Because from what it seems you don’t entirely know why she …
/r/MensRights26/08/22 08:44 AM
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Says who? Pretty sure the statistics around virginity show similar rates for men and women This sounds a lot like this silly ‘chad’ rhetoric which doesn’t actually reflect reality
/r/MensRights25/08/22 11:50 PM
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It’s the same vein as black people commit more crimes, therefore I don’t trust black people It’s a ‘statement of fact’ It also totally ignored the context, the social / economic / cultural / historical variables that go into that statistic It’s incredibly short sighted, it lacks validity and reliability as I’ve explained, and as such is not very scientific. And when somethings not very scientific… what is it?
/r/MensRights25/08/22 11:47 PM
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It’s inappropriate because it’s an overgeneralisation Overgeneralisations are unscientific, they lack reliability and validity Making a sweeping statement that primarily applies to a minority of people, and applying it to the majority, is silly. I shouldn’t have to explain that it’s silly to you
/r/MensRights25/08/22 11:43 PM
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I explained why it’s inappropriate You’re ignoring variables Like other people are saying, the statistics are objectively skewed by variables such as religion. Christian’s are much more likely to marry full stop, more likely to marry as virgins, as well as much less likely to divorce due to religious taboo I’m not going to insult your intelligence by explaining why that’s an issue of overgeneralising (hint, look at what impacts reliability and validity in a scientific study) Context is still imp…
/r/MensRights25/08/22 11:33 PM
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Sounds like you’ll be lonely if you live exclusively for statistics rather than for the world you’re living in I don’t calculate all the variables in my morning commute and correlate the best course of public transport I need to take to work. I take whatever seems right to me in the moment and don’t bother myself with the fear that one day the train line might possibly break. And even if it does I’ve got good life experience from my trains and can build on with my new bus relationship It’s like …
/r/MensRights25/08/22 11:24 PM
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Shit like this is why it can be misogynistic This is Alpha Male Podcast tier drivel, keep your sexist ideas out of the mens right sub thankyou
/r/MensRights25/08/22 11:18 PM
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It’s an inappropriate conclusion which totally ignores / overlooks relevant variables to present a disingenuous conclusion
/r/MensRights25/08/22 11:15 PM
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Comparing women to cars, classy
/r/MensRights25/08/22 11:14 PM
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Sounds like the victim-blaming mindset
/r/MensRights25/08/22 11:01 PM
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You can find someone sexy without staring so much they get uncomfortable It’s the expectation that people will have basic levels of respect for the individual, take the hint etc
/r/MensRights25/08/22 11:00 PM
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Transitioning is sure you could make that argument Gender dysphoria isn’t
/r/MensRights25/08/22 10:16 PM
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Not sure how that works How would woman have more experience than men, who did they get that experience with?
/r/MensRights25/08/22 10:16 PM
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Do trans people who don’t regret transitioning not count? What about the many who do transition but regret it primarily due to the lack of support or affirmations they receive from friends and family? Bless you tried, but sadly you failed to invalidate trans people. I could point you to some scientific articles if you want but that might be a little ambitious for you
/r/MensRights25/08/22 10:11 PM
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That’s most of the time because the person is anxious or not turned on enough rather than some sort of solid characteristic of virginity. You risk acting as if virginity isn’t entirely socially contracted and is some tangible thing that changes a woman after they ‘lose’ it People don’t loosen up after having sex a lot, they just get more comfortable with it, more knowledgable of their own body and better aware of what works / doesn’t work And hymens break all the time, you can ride your bike and…
/r/MensRights25/08/22 08:53 PM
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That’s just because they’re insecure misogynists, type of shit Andrew Tate says
/r/MensRights25/08/22 08:49 PM
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Not really Contraception is a lot more common than it used to be, and when you pair that with better sex education and sex-positive attitudes making STD checkups more common it’s quite obvious that STD’s are a pretty terrible justification
/r/MensRights25/08/22 08:41 PM
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It can just be a preference, everyone is entitled to what they want to pursue romantically. It only becomes an issue when people take it beyond that, and start judging / criticising others based solely on stereotypes around sexual experience. At which point it’s not merely a preference, it’s a tool to dehumanise or shame women It’s got a very sexist history, Virginity was and for the most part almost still is this ‘sacred’ thing, losing it was a woman ‘losing their innocence’ making them less de…
/r/MensRights25/08/22 08:39 PM
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That’s confusing casual sex with a committed relationship There’s a difference between having a bit of fun and being sexually open, to being in a committed relationship. There’s intimacy which doesn’t exist in the other example And to address some of the points, STD’s aren’t a factor if you’re remotely responsible and just get tested regularly And the one about expectations in bed has a bit of an out of touch example. No one has ever wanted or enjoyed 9 inches, you’re watching way too much porn,…
/r/MensRights25/08/22 08:34 PM
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Contract says “on this day, I ____ agreed to have sexual intercourse with _____”. You couldn’t kill the mood harder if you tried lol
/r/MensRights25/08/22 07:58 PM
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Why women/girls dress up like that when going out, but not when just home alone for the night Because men and women can like to look good for themselves, it can help you feel more confident, show off to friends, you’re dressing for the occasion. That’s ontop of the people who would also do it for attention Dressing up at home isn’t an occasion, it’s not exciting, you aren’t really doing anything. If you’re going out clubbing, you want to look good, you want to dress up in clubbing attire, you wa…
/r/MensRights25/08/22 04:16 PM
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There’s a difference between attention and unwanted attention though, regardless of gender If you’re staring and interacting with someone who does not want to interact with you, you should respect that and leave them alone, it can be unfair and may be based in biases surrounding how someone looks but equally, you aren’t entitled to reciprocated attention. It’s only an issue if despite pushback, the person does not stop which will most likely be the case of we’re actually being realisitc And it’s…
/r/MensRights25/08/22 03:59 PM
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If she’s 15 she can’t legally consent tho right? So it would be assault
/r/MensRights25/08/22 03:50 PM
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I feel like it’s not necessarily a terrible desire for people to want a safe space to enjoy clubbing without being made to feel uncomfortable by others. Ppl are allowed to feel sexy or dress up for a night out, and it’s not an invitation for unwanted attention It just depends how it’s enforced due to the nuance of the situation
/r/MensRights25/08/22 01:24 PM
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Glad you realised your mistake xox
/r/MensRights24/08/22 07:02 PM
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The issue isn’t failing single parents It’s a society failing those single parents Single parents are just the outlet, blaming them isn’t blaming the issue, it’s blaming the product of the issje It’s shallow and the incorrect way to address problems Shouting at a faucet isn’t going to fix the burst pipe up the line
/r/MensRights24/08/22 06:59 PM
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It’s people like Andrew Tate who isolate these guys in the first place
/r/MensRights24/08/22 06:57 PM
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That does make more sense
/r/MensRights24/08/22 04:54 PM
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So men should look up to traits such as Insecurity, misogyny, homophobia? Admire a guy who… beats up women, is a human trafficker, runs a pyramid scenes I’m really not seeing it
/r/MensRights24/08/22 04:53 PM
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Well not really with all the shit you’re polluting the poor guy with
/r/MensRights24/08/22 04:51 PM
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And you think tonally, they’re the same as this tv show?
/r/MensRights24/08/22 04:47 PM
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I’m bringing gender into it because it’s an issue women overwhelmingly face I’m also bringing it up because unwanted compliments are interpreted very differently depending on whether or not you are a man or a woman. For women it is more likely going to make them feel unsafe, something that is valid when you consider the rates of say, sexual assault e.g. groping. As well as how society has socialised people, men as predators and woman as victims. Sure, it won’t stop you going on your day but you’…
/r/MensRights24/08/22 04:46 PM
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It’s Important to remember that statistics can’t exist on their own, or else we draw silly conclusions If you look solely at number then you’re ignoring the context surrounding those numbers or the actual root causes of the problem that those statistics will miss An example could be idk, ethnicity and education. If you look solely at the statistics you’d draw in inappropriate conclusions that fail to account for other variables such as social class, ethic history, prejudice, legal inequality etc…
/r/MensRights24/08/22 04:37 PM
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‘Join’ is acting like its a choice though You have a choice to watch porn or not The element of choice seems like the obvious reason why they’re seen differently
/r/MensRights24/08/22 03:21 PM
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Just like most things it just depends on how healthily you consume it For many young people it isn’t consumed healthily, it creates insecurities and immature understandings about sex, about their own bodies, and how to properly treat a romantic partner. You hear of addiction as well with guys struggling to perform or when they do, not to mention how porn is definitely catered towards men and subsequently male pleasure, something that’s definitely contributing to the orgasm gap. A lot of mainstre…
/r/MensRights24/08/22 02:21 PM
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Could you explain the actual overlap in the context of the church though? Where does opposition to one overlap with opposition to the other? How is affirming peoples natural sexualities related to an individuals active decision to watch porn? It seems like it’s trying too hard to force some sort of double standard at the expense of ‘’’’woke’’’ LGBT ppl. It’s pretty disrespectful
/r/MensRights24/08/22 02:07 PM
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It’s a terrible question because the understanding and overall structure of feminism has evolved
/r/MensRights24/08/22 12:20 PM
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Have you… seen the original hulk movies?
/r/MensRights23/08/22 10:54 PM
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Isn’t storytelling oftentimes rooted in spreading an agenda? E.g, anti-capitalism / critique of fast fashion x consumerism in ‘The Lorax’ The shows just badly written, that still doesn’t mean it should be used as an excuse to invalidate the issues it brings up no matter how good or badly it does it
/r/MensRights23/08/22 02:57 PM
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Did you not watch the whole show? Why are you refusing to look at the context? The show was written to emphasise that one moment, it was written to be impactive The Mindless violence before wasn’t It’s just trying too hard to be offended at something that isn’t offensive Of all the examples you could try and find about it this has gotta be one of the worst
/r/MensRights23/08/22 02:09 PM
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Invalidating peoples issue isn’t a good look Especially when that invalidation is coming from a place of ignorance Just comes across as a little ironic when issues men face aren’t taken seriously, but you think it’s okay to not take issue women face seriously
/r/MensRights23/08/22 02:05 PM
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The show badly representing issues women face isn’t an excuse to invalidate those very real issues though There should be a disconnect between the bad writing and the problems brought up
/r/MensRights23/08/22 01:59 PM
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Well yeah, Two very tonally different shows, if anything you’re helping further prove my point The other Hulk movies took themselves seriously, this tv show clearly doesn’t Instead being a relatively shallow cash-grab Difference is I’m not using it as an excuse to invalidate issue women face, op is if you look at his comments
/r/MensRights23/08/22 01:55 PM
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I’m trying to present this message of a healthy balance It’s the way men typically express their emotions which can lead to this burden, a problem resulting from lack of societal encouragement surrounding men emotionally expressing themselves A related example could be something like solving a personal dispute. The stereotype around guys could be that they get violent, whereas women typically don’t. This is a difference in emotional intelligence. A gap in how people can process and work through …
/r/MensRights23/08/22 01:52 PM
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Tonally, as in tone I didn’t say totally, I said the ‘tone’ was (totally) different They’re related but this one clearly isn’t taking itself nearly as seriously, and as a result the topics covered won’t be a deep
/r/MensRights23/08/22 01:38 PM
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Wdym
/r/MensRights23/08/22 01:38 PM
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Like I said the two shows are tonally different This one clearly doesn’t take itself remotely seriously, and isn’t going to take deep dives into human psychology just to make a point This show tells a surface level message, it’s not that deep
/r/MensRights23/08/22 01:36 PM
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Mens rights It’s a group, that means as a member of that group I can criticise other members for doing things that I know harm the group, or don’t achieve the groups aims
/r/MensRights23/08/22 01:34 PM
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Quite possibly the worst conceivable take you could have Blaming disadvantaged groups of people rather than the actual problem, what a joke How about we encourage healthy male role models rather than sucking up to Andrew fucking Tate of all people. Someone who is quite literally the worst possible role model for young boys to have
/r/MensRights23/08/22 01:31 PM
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You not gunna let your 7 year old think for themselves huh Just set them straight down a lonely toxic path without even giving them a chance
/r/MensRights23/08/22 01:08 PM
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That’s more your personal feelings on the situation though Family structure statistics demonstrate that woman, surprise surprise, want financial independence from their husbands. This is demonstrated through the upward social trend in dual earner families / families where the woman still works part time. It’s also like… common sense. People like to have freedom rather than being solely reliant on another person (their husband) to live Not to mention the later ages for marriage and children (if a…
/r/MensRights23/08/22 01:05 PM
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I’d rather the movement have an incline of respect He the worst possible representation for men
/r/MensRights23/08/22 12:58 PM
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Well you would Children are taking the waffle he says on board, in essence growing a bunch of sexist disrespectful kids who don’t know any better It’s dangerous, he should be taken seriously because he’s creating tangible negative effects
/r/MensRights23/08/22 12:56 PM
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Did you see the post on r/teachers? This is very clearly a big issue, all these children will lock onto is the misogyny, losing respect for female classmates based entirely on their gender or harbouring incredibly sexist stereotypes In full support of calling out antisocial behaviour in children before it grows into something more harmful. The last thing anyone needs is another Andrew Tate
/r/MensRights23/08/22 12:55 PM
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Is the real issue the existence of strong female protagonists? Or is it you that’s the issue? Because a lot of these movies you’re mentioning clearly show some sort of bias against women in any sort of lead role, veiled under the claim that it’s ‘woke’ Does the mens rights movement really need to be wasting time on such surface level bullshit op?
/r/MensRights23/08/22 11:14 AM
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Men in vulnerable positions / men in general can’t or shouldn’t be beaten up by stronger women? Is this really the message you want to be spreading in a mens right subreddit? That men can’t be victims or weak in a situation?
/r/MensRights23/08/22 11:02 AM
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Is this coming from a place of good faith? We’re comparing two tonally totally different shows as an excuse to what? Essentially invalidate an issue women face? And your later comments in this thread about catcalling just sort of demonstrate that you’re coming from a place of apathy and ignorance. There are infinitely better things for us in the mens rights movement to do than invalidate the issues other people face through bullshit surface level comparisons. If not just for the sake of garnerin…
/r/MensRights23/08/22 10:51 AM
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What part of what I said has anything to do with feminists, or hints that I sympathise with whatever part of the ideology you’re referring to? If you’re talking in general that might be why you didn’t understand what I was saying. My point was contextual, directly addressing op, in a situation where I saw slightly unfair conclusions being drawn by op. And then I gave context as to why this might be the case and some advice on how to approach the difficult situation they are in What you’re doing …
/r/MensRights23/08/22 10:41 AM
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Those aren’t the same
/r/MensRights22/08/22 04:04 PM
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Wdym ‘people like you’ I’m explaining how emotional maturity can factor into the response men get from opening up We generally haven’t got the experience or learned how to properly express or communicate our emotions in the same way women do. And because of that it comes out in unhealthy ways such as trauma dumping or treating the spouse like a therapist. And you mention the 2nd paragraph as if it’s some sort of contradiction. Then played pretend with an argument that I didn’t make. Opening up a…
/r/MensRights22/08/22 03:58 PM
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This sub is for anyone and everyone to talk about mens rights That means trans ppl have just as much a voice as transphobes do And again, why are you responding if you can’t answer my simple questions? I can only come out thinking you don’t have a comfortable answer that isn’t essentially deliberate ignorance
/r/MensRights22/08/22 03:34 PM
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I won’t be censored I’m not creating or growing a community that perpetuates a genuinely harmful and hateful message because I’m not an insecure shitty person And it’s not like it’s me deciding or if this is even an opinion based thing. Andrew Tate broke the sites rules bottom line, that’s not really censorship that’s enforcing a site wide rule. It’s really confusing to me why you’d essentially defend the guy with this dramatic ‘slippery slope’ fear mongering attitude A very hateful and deeply s…
/r/MensRights21/08/22 09:46 PM
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But the alternative of young boys getting groomed into terrible people isn’t a pretty alternative. Censorship isn’t a solely negative thing, we censor harmful things so vulnerable people don’t get harmed Same way we censor idk, inappropriate sites from children, they’re too young to fully understand or grasp what they’re viewing and can draw inappropriate conclusions. I think this is also overlooking the important difference between a subreddit on Reddit, versus a misogynist on every social medi…
/r/MensRights21/08/22 09:17 PM
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Would you rather young boys get groomed into terrible people? Censorship isn’t a solely negative thing, we censor harmful things so vulnerable people don’t get harmed Same way we censor idk, inappropriate sites from children, they’re too young to fully understand or grasp what they’re viewing and can draw inappropriate conclusions. I think this is also overlooking the important difference between a subreddit on Reddit, versus a misogynist on every social media platform. The two scenarios are dif…
/r/MensRights21/08/22 09:15 PM
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Totally agree that there is a wider societal taboo around men showing their emotional side (toxic masculinity), but in this instance I think there’s a better approach than the one you’re taking From the sounds of it this is someone trying to help you through the stages of grief, where one of those stages is acceptance / moving on Issue is, not everyone is going to be effective at communicating that message or optimally sympathising with it because they can’t read minds / haven’t experienced it t…
/r/MensRights21/08/22 05:03 PM
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He’s grooming young boys into extremely anti-social and misogynistic spheres. This is not healthy, this should not be tolerated, this does immense harm to men and women alike and hence doesn’t deserve a platform If he’s getting banned from these sites it’s for a very good reason, it’s also why there isn’t a ‘double standard’ here
/r/MensRights21/08/22 04:55 PM
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Everyone is entitled to a voice on this sub, this isn’t a debatable point, you can’t do anything about the importance unique viewpoints from women, gay men, trans men, men of different ethnicities etc have. And if you’re not going to actually listen or respond to my criticisms idk why you’re bothering to respond.
/r/MensRights21/08/22 02:21 PM
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Let’s not scare a child with something so dramatic, it’s not a healthy mindset He got groomed into sending his underage nudes to a scammer, there’s not a universe where he will be in any trouble whatsoever legally
/r/MensRights21/08/22 12:47 PM
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You can find your blocked list in settings You can unblock them and screenshot the evidence incase it’s needed, you’re not legally in trouble but the scammer would be since it’s child porn Then with that you should go to your parents and then explain the situation to them. Kids are stupid they’ll understand and will help you through it better than ppl on the internet can
/r/MensRights21/08/22 12:46 PM
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That’s a terrible response lol
/r/MensRights20/08/22 03:59 PM
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It’s a depressing byproduct from the obsession with false accusations
/r/MensRights20/08/22 12:27 PM
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Is that a criticism against single mothers or is that a criticism of how material and social deprivation can produce dysfunctional adults
/r/MensRights20/08/22 12:25 PM
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I would be interesting in why you disagree / what parts don’t work for you I’m sort of left hanging after pointing out some of the problems with the biological determinism viewpoint you’re coming from (e.g. it’s a easy blanket view that doesn’t appropriately account for / effectively explain modern societal complexity) It still hasn’t really justified this idea of a gynocentric society
/r/MensRights20/08/22 12:18 PM
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You’re trying too hard lol, it’s not a great look
/r/MensRights19/08/22 12:52 PM
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Not really, Racists oversimplify things I’m explaining how you are oversimplifying gender identity, partly due to lack of understanding, at the expense of trans people
/r/MensRights19/08/22 12:46 PM
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No, you’d be ignorant Same notion for this type of transphobia It’s just ignorance and deliberate oversimplifications
/r/MensRights19/08/22 12:40 PM
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But that’s looking at it from an exclusively biological point of view That doesn’t substantially explain the structures I’m seeing in modern society It also still doesn’t really point to any sense of gynocentrism. If you’re reducing women to objects of fertility and placing men as overseers and protectors, society isn’t exclusively concerning itself with women, it’s objectifying them and placing their only worth on their ability to reproduce. Men are being given the power and control Society is …
/r/MensRights19/08/22 12:35 PM
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Is your post any braver than me calling out the transphobic message?
/r/MensRights19/08/22 12:18 PM
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He’s not asserting anything He’s giving a weak personal 7 year old account of someone’s legal story being slightly different to what they were told individually. With No extra details even given about what this change was That’s hardly grounds to tell the dude to bring up or firmly question someone’s trauma 7 YEARS LATER I’ll tell you as many times as you need to hear it, real people in real life have no reason to have this conversation. It is infinitely more harmful and damaging to bring it up …
/r/MensRights19/08/22 12:09 PM
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That doesn’t mean you don’t get to acknowledge them though Your chromosome based definition isn’t a good definition if it… doesn’t appropriately define it
/r/MensRights19/08/22 12:05 PM
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Sneaky Transphobia isn’t much braver tbh
/r/MensRights19/08/22 12:03 PM
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Why do you think that is though Or better, how does that point to a gynocentric society? Considering how the society is reducing women to sex appeal Because to me, it’s pointing to a society that objectifies women and reduced them to sex appeal, which doesn’t sound remotely gynocentric. Your point about women also judging others based on looks isn’t relevant. The reason why some women would subscribe to this behaviour is because they live, grow up and are socialised by this society and as a resu…
/r/MensRights18/08/22 01:50 PM
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Why bring it up, what does it achieve? Is it even really his place to bring it up? He doesn’t have remotely substantial evidence, it happened 7 years ago, having a rape case even get that far in the first place is astronomically low, it’s just not important or at all worth it for anyone involved I mean sure, if he views It as important enough and wants to most likely ruin whatever’s left of the relationship with his sister and most likely also any close relations, sure, go right ahead. But is it…
/r/MensRights18/08/22 01:48 PM
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These trans issues relate to mens rights, I’ve explained why, you’ve failed to address those points Yet again I’m explaining to you that everyone who supports mens rights is welcome to talk and discuss whatever related issues they have You don’t need to agree, you just need to tolerate it. Especially when you’re consistently unable to justify why trans people shouldn’t have a voice against the many points I have made explaining why they do So you can either actually justify the TERF mentality pe…
/r/MensRights18/08/22 01:37 PM
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I mean, the occasional family on benefits may face the same issues, doesn’t necessarily mean they shouldn’t receive support Even if it doesn’t entirely go to the kids, it’s still better than nothing at all I’m just trying to stress how the parents cannot be the focus of this type of conversation when the decisions will be at the expense of the children
/r/MensRights18/08/22 01:11 PM
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I don’t think the Depp situation is a particularly good example since later evidence suggests both of them were abusive At which point it’s basically a blanket loss for equality
/r/MensRights18/08/22 01:02 PM
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I’m not entirely sold on how that points to a gynocentric society Wouldn’t it make more sense that a society that’s emphasising the value of a women being based primarily on their body is catering towards men? At least when considering it in the context op is establishing regarding how popularity’s being linked to sex appeal
/r/MensRights18/08/22 12:58 PM
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That’s a terrible thing to do, especially with such nuanced reasons to be sceptical
/r/MensRights18/08/22 12:39 PM
2

Both of those are mutual decisions made by 2 thinking people What led you to gendering these responsibilities?
/r/MensRights18/08/22 12:38 PM
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Does that mean they therefore don’t count and can’t contradict you’re insufficient definition?
/r/MensRights18/08/22 12:26 PM
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Because it’s a shit question that grossly misunderstands gender identity The questions should be good faith, instead of being essentially a (intentional or not) weak jab at trans people
/r/MensRights18/08/22 12:21 PM
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Not really, it’s still disingenuous There’s less demand for male models, sot hey get paid less
/r/MensRights17/08/22 12:36 PM
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That is how the industry works Straight men do gay sex scenes because it pays better, they just pop viagra etc Same thing happens with women tbh, just a reality of the industry
/r/MensRights17/08/22 12:29 PM
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What specific gender skewed laws are bad enough to consider moving continent?
/r/MensRights17/08/22 12:15 PM
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It makes sense, they were right Men statistically aren’t as involved in their child’s care as women are Courts will favour the primary care giver, and as such a majority of the time it goes to women This is going to be because of sexist gender roles and how it’s impacts family structures, with guys as breadwinners and woman as homemakers, creating this divide between men and their kids. This stereotype also contributes to the decisions made, ie men are less likely to want to pursue custody of th…
/r/MensRights17/08/22 11:49 AM
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Let’s just keep it hypothetical and not entertain it
/r/MensRights17/08/22 11:43 AM
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It just seems very obvious to me that Pushing children into poverty is worse than making someone who conceived that child pay child support The accountability of the mother is beyond irrelevant, because the only thing you should be focusing on is the child in this situation. You can’t keep dismissing or tiptoeing around that reality
/r/MensRights16/08/22 04:18 PM
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Looking past how disingenuous the ‘gotcha’ straw man is of ‘define a woman’, when I asked for the objective definition you said this Yes, it's the one used since it was spelled and pronounced wifman and before the were was dropped from wereman. It is "adult human female" Is that not also circular reasoning ontop of just… not being remotely objective? Like I’ve been saying, definitions change and depend on the context. A medical definition of a woman is different to a chromosomal definition which…
/r/MensRights16/08/22 04:16 PM
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But taking away that child support would make the already bad situation worse though right?
/r/MensRights16/08/22 11:49 AM
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I edited to make it more obvious what my subjective definition in the comment before last And I’m waiting for a response to that interpretation of gender that proves I’m wrong and that there is an objective definition as you say, with an explanations as to how my justifications for defining it as such aren’t valid.
/r/MensRights16/08/22 11:43 AM
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It is an automatic biological process That doesn’t mean a woman doesn’t have the right to choose whether or not to put herself through the 9 month process. passing kidney stones is far more painful than labor pains. (And men have kidney stones more often than women.) But this is about the whole process of pregnancy, not just squeezing it out. I’d assume it’s not an easy 9 month process, growing a life inside you, you could look up some of the many side effect to get a better idea. And you don’t …
/r/MensRights16/08/22 11:42 AM
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Sure, trans men are not cis men But then many go through a process of transition, at which point it’s a more subjective opinion on whether or not someone validated their existence or doesn’t And I’d argue a passing trans man experiences the exact same issues a cis man does, ontop of ofc the difficulties being trans can pose They look the same, are legally treated the same in the eyes of the law and face all the same court biases, will face the same social / work oriented difficulties The only di…
/r/MensRights16/08/22 11:05 AM
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I’m just voicing an opinion about the way the sub handles some of the issues it comes across
/r/MensRights16/08/22 10:47 AM
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Honestly I don’t fully remember what the first comment said. I just assume they made a direct comparison because I responded rather passionately. Engaging on that level was a mistake on my end I just wanna keep a realistic tone. False accusations are an issue, it deserves recognition, but maybe not quite the amount this sub gives it because it does get to a point where it’s harmful where guys are becoming genuinely mortified of female interaction I think that’s also where I got this sense of thi…
/r/MensRights15/08/22 11:59 PM
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Oh no, I misunderstood, think o had a similar conversation with someone else I totally agree with what you’re saying, it’s the same solution I’d ideally look to. I’m just cynical about whether or not the government would actually take on such a burden, childcare services are already underfunded as is The last part was just me venting a bit at the shallow approach other people are using for this topic which ignores finding an alternative / reinterpreting child support
/r/MensRights15/08/22 11:43 PM
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Would women rather get with an emotionally immature hot guy, or an emotionally mature hot guy? If it’s just getting laid, it’s shallow, looks exclusively take the cake But long term? Emotional immaturity / unavailability is definitely a turn off, the type of thing that ends relationships
/r/MensRights15/08/22 11:34 PM
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And time and time again we can see that many parents are irresponsible, that’s just a reality of parents But that’s not an excuse to make the child suffer hnder the brunt of the decision. Until social services get to the level they need to, child support is just the lesser of the two evils
/r/MensRights15/08/22 11:28 PM
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I think the issue is coming from how the original comment was edited I felt the need to establish how one wasn’t as bad as the other because the comment I replied to stated they were ‘identical’ or something along those lines You’re right, it’s not a competition. They are separate crimes, looking at it as a comparison wasn’t really appropriate in the first place, I just got a bit sucked in I just dislike the trend this sub has in downplaying sexual assault and exaggerating false accusations. It’…
/r/MensRights15/08/22 11:26 PM
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Honestly the whole justice system is rocky in this area though In the huge majority of cases sexual assault / rape charges are just thrown out or never make it anywhere The likelihood of going to jail from an accusation is already tiny, paired with the fact that false accusations won’t have substantial evidence against the falsely accused victim and any jail time becomes an extreme outlier And even in instances where someone is found guilty as you can see on the odd post in this sub, the sentenc…
/r/MensRights15/08/22 11:14 PM
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Parents can be irresponsible But what I’m saying is that just because the parent is stupid, it doesn’t mean the child should suffer as a result I feel like you’re overly focusing on all the ’what-ifs’ of the mother, whereas all my focus is on the child. The actions (or lack-of) from either parent aren’t the priority to me
/r/MensRights15/08/22 11:02 PM
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What’s the alternative? I’m just saying you prioritise the kid because they’re the most innocent variable Would you prioritise the father at the expense of the kid? And can you justify that?
/r/MensRights15/08/22 10:56 PM
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I just can’t bring myself to agree until social services are up to the standard they need to be Right now child support seems to be the lesser of the two evils to me when the alternative is a higher likelihood of poverty Not you, but too many guys on this sub are placing way too little emphasis on genuinely productive policy change. It feels like people don’t really care about how to achieve this positive change, they just want to make it a competition
/r/MensRights15/08/22 10:51 PM
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Exactly, I’d be in full support of a financial abortion if the child actually gets the support they need I’m just a bit cynical in my faith towards these social services because I can’t see governments making significant enough changes in making sure these services are appropriately funded Child support seems to me to be the lesser of the two evils as it stands now, and way too many people on this sub look to be missing that point. Ppl seem to be missing how a financial abortion isn’t realistic …
/r/MensRights15/08/22 10:47 PM
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But until adoption / foster services demonstrate they can consistently give a child a good start in life i can’t bring myself to change my mind But as it is now these services are still underfunded and produce lackluster results
/r/MensRights15/08/22 10:40 PM
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And it evidently still isn’t sufficient in creating a particularly good life for the child as demonstrated by the present rates of poverty in single parent households I’d rather guys forced to be payed child support than a child forced to live in poverty. And I assume everyone would agree with me on that
/r/MensRights15/08/22 10:38 PM
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I’m aware What I said was that men don’t grow the life inside them, women do You’re talking about the 1 instance where the life was created I’m talking about the process and context around carrying that life to term
/r/MensRights15/08/22 10:36 PM
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The male alternative to abortion still creates a life that needs support Women can choose because they have the anatomy and bodily autonomy to decide to not to create the life Men in a sense cannot anatomically remove the responsibility of conceiving a child whereas women can. One creates a burden whilst the other doesn’t, hence why the standard is different / a blanket ‘equality’ standard cannot be realistically established
/r/MensRights15/08/22 10:29 PM
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Parents aren’t responsible My point is that the child shouldn’t suffer or face a more difficult life due As it stands, single parents are 50%+ more likely to live in poverty, why make the child’s life even more difficult than it already is, by taking away support, over the decisions of their parent(s)?
/r/MensRights15/08/22 10:26 PM
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It’s misandrist to prioritise the future of the child? You’re joking no?
/r/MensRights15/08/22 10:23 PM
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They have the valid choice to give birth, it’s their body And it doesn’t really matter if we have Social net programmes (however terrible they are) they still often aren’t sufficient (again, look at poverty statistics of single parents) It’s just not justifiable in the current state of childvare. In the choice to punish the child or the father, you’re punishing the child. It doesn’t work
/r/MensRights15/08/22 10:22 PM
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Being emotionally mature definitely gets you laid It shouldn’t be controversial to say that Women don’t want to settle down with a guy who can’t handle his emotions / effectively communicate difficult topics
/r/MensRights15/08/22 10:18 PM
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