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Debate12throw1234away34/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 08:07 PM
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Debate12throw1234away34/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 05:20 PM
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Debate12throw1234away34/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 05:20 PM
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I look at the underlying message, which is: men enjoy sex more than women because men have a biological imperative to try to mate with as many women as possible. The crude coating of degeneracy and stretches to say it means cheating etc are just noise to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 07:45 PM
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Don’t want to be too specific: but it’s in the realm of big law / tech / medicine / etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 07:38 PM
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Men are far more driven and incentivized by achieving success and power than women are because women reward them for that. Women are also biologically at a disadvantage in terms of having to bear children and take time off. So, naturally, men will continue to eke out a workplace advantage while they work and the mothers take months off for childbirth. And lastly, this goes back to my first sentence: I think men are more able to tolerate the bullshit and stress of corporate politics and stress. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 06:35 PM
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I disagree and think even in the domain of air conditioned office jobs, men will still outcompete women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 06:16 PM
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Explain?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 06:00 PM
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The patriarchy is a byproduct of hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 05:40 PM
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Agree with you, esp if the man is not appealing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 05:39 PM
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Agree on everything you say. I think where this dynamic won’t change, though, is with the apex members of society: the most beautiful, sought out women in the world and the most powerful, wealthy, and influential men of the world. And that relationship will hold true as you go down that ladder. I think what you’re describing is much more prevalent with the more normal members of society.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 05:39 PM
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We do live in a gynocentric time period, but gynocentrism is still a byproduct of the patriarchy. The patriarchy supersedes the gynocentric structure.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 05:31 PM
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Men are more attracted to beauty than women are. That’s why the wealthiest men in the world invariably have beautiful spouses, even if the men themselves are butt fucking ugly or physically unappealing. Saying that men are horny animals that want to spread their seed is not misandrist at all (at least not to me). I think it’s crude, yes, but ultimately true.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 05:29 PM
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A society and culture where men predominantly wield the most influence and power.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 05:27 PM
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Again, I’m not talking about unappealing men who also happen to make no money. I’m saying a woman who makes $100k should not disqualify a man who makes $80k if she’s otherwise attracted to him physically and emotionally. I myself am a high earner making half a million dollars in a major city. I routinely date lawyers, dentists, doctors etc that make 200k-300k and these women scoff at men who make $150k. These women tend to be perpetually single because they are so above the median in wages, they…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 05:18 PM
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You didn’t read my comment where I stated I’m talking about young people in major cities. It says young women in nyc and dc make 102% of what young men make.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 05:15 PM
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https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/03/28/young-women-are-out-earning-young-men-in-several-u-s-cities/ I need to caveat that my viewpoints are meant to apply to people like me and my peers: men and women in major cities who are in their prime years for dating and marriage: those between their 20s to 40s. Also I did not say women need to date poor men. My assertion is a woman who makes $100k shouldn’t rule out an otherwise appealing man from dating if he “only” makes $85k or something cl…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 04:48 PM
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As did I. I’m tall, fit, and a multimillionaire. That doesn’t mean I don’t see the hypocrisy and BS standards in modern women though.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 04:34 PM
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Fair. I agree that one’s wealth needs to take outlandish forms (multiple millions) in order to outweigh looks. A chad making $150k will almost always beat out an average looking man making $300k.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 03:48 PM
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They have more and more power is the point. Society complains about income inequality in our modern, capitalistic culture where the rich get even richer. The same effect is playing out in intersexual dynamics.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 03:45 PM
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This isn’t a post to elicit sympathy for incels. It’s a post to squash sympathy for perpetually single women who set their standards too high because they uphold their hypergamous tendencies for more and more wealth.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 03:43 PM
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My nuanced take is that the wealthiest men fuck the hottest women. You can be ugly as fuck as a man, but if you have a billion dollars and are willing to spend it on women, you absolutely will have beautiful women lining up to be your wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 03:40 PM
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So then they should stop complaining about the patriarchy that they uphold and incentivize.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 03:14 PM
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I didn’t say lower all your standards unilaterally. I said lower your standards for only wanting men who make more money than you. The way that women lose out long term is they delude themselves into thinking they’re better off being single with their standards that are higher than necessary. Let me put it this way: as long as a woman is physically and emotionally attracted to a given man, as long as she makes enough money to sustain them both and he also makes decent money (but less than her), …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 03:13 PM
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And that’s exactly my point: by upholding their hypergamous standards for men who make more money than them, they continue to perpetuate the patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 03:09 PM
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It’s not about physical attraction. Women can be as picky as they want when it comes to looks. But if she makes multiple six figures and chooses to be single because men don’t make as much as her, then I have zero sympathy for her. I know women who make $400k who refuse to date men who “only” make $200k. Assume the man is attractive and emotionally intelligent. Since these empowered women no longer need to depend on men for money, shouldn’t this man be considered a very suitable partner? I say t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 03:03 PM
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If it happens once or twice, sure. But it’s happening to them consistently. Each top tier guy is absolutely running through and cleaning up. So it’s NORMAL for decent looking women to get a ton of experience sleeping with men above their league. They think, eventually, one will stick around. They won’t. Why would he? He has much more attractive women to choose from when he wants to settle down. She was just a casual drunk lay at 3 am on a Friday when he was bored and knew she’d come through like…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 11:59 PM
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This is an insane take. You’re saying most men defend convicted rapists? Wow. Don’t you know rapists are famous for getting beat to shit in prison?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 10:53 PM
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Bullying is one thing. I agree men are more susceptible to doing that vs women. But I think men are also more likely to be brutally honest to their friends about how they’re fucking up (and not in a bullying way but in a tough love way) compared to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 10:24 PM
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Both. When I see women on social media talking about leeching men for money, all the comments are other women gassing each other up. When I see men on social media talking about toxic manipulation strategies to get women, I always see a couple dissenter men who call it out and call it pathetic, stupid, immature, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 10:22 PM
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Agree that below average men shoot up as well. But the top tier men can sleep with hundreds and hundreds of women. I know a guy with a 600 body count at 29. He sleeps with 4-5 women a week if he wants to. He’s classically tall and handsome and routinely goes for women that are at least 6s and above to my eye. I’d say he’s more like an 8 though. All those 6s he sleeps with? Especially if he sleeps with them more than once? They become obsessed even when he’s clear it’s casual only. I’ve seen some…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 10:20 PM
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It’s a problem because they aren’t able to reframe their reality and actually feel good about their circumstances. That 6 woman will believe she’s settling for a 7 man and not be as content as she “should” be. She’s less likely to want to treat her partner like the catch he is for HER. I genuinely believe this results in women ending up single longer than they should be and unhappier longer term in their relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 09:35 PM
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I actually agree with everything you wrote. I should be clearer in asserting that my post is geared towards desirable women strictly from a looks perspective, which is typically women who are above average or at least a 5.5 or above, strictly speaking. I’ve also found that women who are below average in looks tend to be overwhelmingly accurate and realistic in how they self assess their looks. That’s why in my post I went to lengths to specify that I think it’s women who are 6s and 7s who are mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 09:05 PM
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Of course men do it too. But my assertion is that MORE women do it to much greater magnitude. Gossip for instance is clearly a strongly gendered pastime for women. I see countless subs dedicated to women snarking on and shitting on female influencers and celebrities. They’ll take pictures of their outfits, make up, etc and nit pick how they got plastic surgery, how their bf doesn’t make as much money as she conveys, etc. All forms of character assassination. I don’t see any subreddits populated …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 08:51 PM
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Who is more likely to tell their obese friend in clear, no uncertain terms without sugarcoating that they need to lose weight to be healthier and have better dating outcomes? A man or a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 08:47 PM
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I agree that’s a top form as well. Men get the spotlight around bad behavior because it’s typically observable and measurable in non-abstract terms by way of overt violence: murder, violence, etc. it can be easily classified and quantified. But for women, to your point, they conduct more abstract forms of violence, like gossip and character assassination, emotional abuse, leading men on for resources (yes, some men do this too with sex, but not many can get away with it to the extent women can),…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 08:44 PM
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Women not in their social circle? Yes. There is intrasexual competition. Women inside their social circle? That’s where the sugarcoating thrives.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 08:24 PM
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The man wants a nut and the woman has no value to him outside of that. The functional equivalent here is the stripper giving a man a lap dance in exchange for money. If the stripper slept with him, I’d agree with you. That’s beyond the norm of what a stripper would provide to you. But while it’s the literal equivalent of the man sleeping with a woman, it’s not the functional equivalent. I think the functional equivalent for the man sleeping with the woman is if he love bombs her and/or indicates…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 06:52 PM
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Oh ok
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 06:40 PM
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That’s noble of you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 06:31 PM
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Different times. Dating dynamics from the 90s are not at all similar to modern dating in 2024.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 06:30 PM
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You missed my point. But I also didn’t state it as clearly as I should’ve. My point is that when a woman who’s a 6 sleeps with an 8 or 9 man who just wanted to get a nut, she confuses that for romantic intention. And she then starts to believe her league is 8+ men. It’s not. She’s then doomed to fail in romance because she won’t be satisfied with a 6.5 or 7 man because in her eyes, she deserves better. That dynamic is akin to a man paying for a lap dance with a stunning stripper and then believi…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 06:27 PM
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That’s what I wrote in my post: that only 8+ women are getting attention from elite men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 06:19 PM
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Can you copy paste verbatim from my post where I wrote that regular women are getting pursued by elite men?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 06:18 PM
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You agreed with me without realizing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 06:17 PM
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Are they aware that the man out of her league is spamming other women too? I’m sure some do. But I’ve also noticed some women have a tendency to delude themselves into a fairytale and think that that man actually likes them ESPECIALLY when they have sex. Getting spammed as an okay looking woman in the DMs for sex is NOT remotely close to the emotional impact she would feel after actually having sex with a very attractive man.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 06:15 PM
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I see the study that shows men over rate their attractiveness and I acknowledge and believe it. But let’s add some nuance: my assertion is what happens is a 4 or 5 man will think he’s 1-2 points hotter than he is. But for slightly above average women like 5.5s to 7s, not only do they buck the trend of underrating themselves, they overrate themselves even MORE than men do. So a 6 will think she’s an 8.5 or 9 and so forth. So my assertion is young, modern women are actually more delusional than me…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 06:13 PM
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Exactly. I used to get frustrated when I’d get replies like the guy here. But now I just chuckle at their false indignation generated from their confidently incorrect understanding. It’s really funny and amusing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 06:09 PM
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Morality is not being discussed here. Hence why I said the functional equivalent. Not the moral equivalent. Classic mistake I see people make here all the time when they don’t understand the analogy. And yes, most women do not get chased by elite men. But you can bet your ass that solid 8s and above so, consistently, in the DMs. They probably represent 5% of the female population.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 06:06 PM
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It was a mixer dinner from a lowkey social club I’m in. I had never met these women before.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 02:19 AM
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Another gem of an exchange from my dinner where there were six women. They asked me about one of my main issues with dating and I mentioned the inconsistencies of modern women: how they simultaneously demand the traditional aspects of chivalry (pay for everything, lead all the planning, etc) while still maintaining their empowered Feminist selves. When I mentioned an example of a friend who is a successful, liberal attorney who said unironically “I want to date a liberal feminist man who pays fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 01:33 AM
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Exactly. That’s the other level of delusion they have. What makes them think that they’re SO special that this ultra desirable man will settle down with her? As much as I lambast women for this delusion, I can’t fault them. It’s part of evolutionary biology. They have to believe they have a chance getting knocked up by the most attractive man they see in order to actually have a shot at making it happen. Sort of like getting an offer for a super prestigious job. You have 0% chance of landing it …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 01:27 AM
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Slightly desirable women are the most delusional. I was at a dinner with 6 women the other night. All in their early 30s. All relatively successful career wise. All decently attractive as robust 6s in the looks department. Well dressed, well spoken, and all around decent women. All single. The dinner quickly spiraled into dating woes. And how men have so many problems. When it got to the topic of dating apps and hinge specifically, they all complained about how hinge hides their “most compatible…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 01:17 AM
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So all women who expect to have men pay for their dates are essentially Sugar Babies Lite.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 01:49 PM
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This is where I stop replying to you because you’re arguing an inane point. Thanks for helping me wake up and realize we are indeed not animals in a cage. Thought I was in the matrix or sth!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 06:29 PM
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Nothing about that statement implies compulsory. What it does recognize is the biological drive/imperative to reproduce. Two different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 06:24 PM
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A significant chunk of men historically fail to reproduce (I think around 30% or so of men). But today with technology, social media, and dating apps, these very men who would have failed to reproduce in the past anyway feel even worse about their circumstances because they get the false illusion they have a chance. Sorry, but they never had a chance to begin with. The net result is more simp-age and desperation that further fuel women’s egos. It’s a self perpetuating feedback loop.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 05:22 PM
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Modern women famously are allergic to accountability because the modern, gynocentric discourse constantly paints them as helpless victims of the patriarchy. Nothing is ever their fault. It’s always men’s fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 04:23 PM
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It’s the ONE double standard that benefits men. Every other gender based double standard benefits women. Women: why can’t I have ALL the double standards?!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 01:25 PM
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Man finds out his fiancée had a gang bang in the past. Calls off the wedding. Fiancée posts about the situation. Women in the thread moaning about how men can’t accept women’s pasts. The top most comments are more balanced and reasonable. But as you scroll down further, you start seeing the comments from women who are pissed they can’t be wild sluts and not have it matter in the future. https://www.reddit.com/r/sex/comments/14fkiyh/my_fianc%C3%A9_is_calling_off_our_wedding_because_of/?utm_source…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 11:48 AM
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Get in the car
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 11:22 PM
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Nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 11:13 PM
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My portfolio is up several 5 figures today. Nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 09:50 PM
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Their opinions only matter to the men trying to date and sleep with them aka not me.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 04:03 PM
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I’ve noticed the 4.5s and 5s tend to be the most deluded into thinking they’re 6s. 3s and below know they’re doomed. Then the 6s think they’re 8s. The women who are most realistic with their looks are the 7s and above.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 03:38 PM
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Correct
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 03:16 PM
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If you’re a woman and you’re not a solid 6 at a minimum, do your dating thoughts and opinions even matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 03:07 PM
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Nothing like starting off her Sunday morning with nutting and a cream pie.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 02:33 PM
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Opened the windows to freshen the air. Two flies came in. Slaughtered both of them with my electric fly swatter. The crackle pop sound of their bodies exploding due to the electrical surge running through their putrid bodies gives me great joy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 06:51 PM
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Yep. That and the color/glow of their skin. Older women’s skin looks duller and darker. Hard to explain. Also, the top of their hands. The veins tend to be way more pronounced and protruding.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 03:26 PM
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You just need to look at the skin surrounding a woman’s eyes to tell if they’re older or younger than 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 03:19 PM
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I think there are a handful who don’t get any at all. The rest probably don’t get laid by the men they want either.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 02:34 PM
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Decorative fireplaces fucking suck. If you have one, you’re a goof.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 02:30 PM
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Some of the women here need to get laid and it shows.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 02:30 PM
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Shoulda put it away in your belly.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 03:17 PM
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Equinox released an April fools joke trailer for a dating app. I actually wish it were real. I’d love to seriously date a fellow equinox going baddie.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 03:13 PM
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This sounds bomb. Gonna get high and get one later today.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 03:10 PM
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I also know that having more melanin in your skin makes you wrinkle less, which is why black folks tend to age remarkably well.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 01:47 AM
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Bc she looked old af lol
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 01:21 AM
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Also true. Doctors I’ve noticed tend to look old. Probably the hours, stress, and lack of sleep and poor nutrition / lack of exercise.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 01:10 AM
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I think most of them tend to be successful women with great careers. Maybe they’re spending a ton on skincare.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 01:02 AM
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I have my bumble set to up to 40 in age and there are some absolutely stunning women in their mid to late 30s. They’ve clearly taken care of themselves but more importantly, I think it’s genetics.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 01:00 AM
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It’s interesting how some women age horribly compared to others. I know lifestyle factors like too much sun exposure, alcohol, drugs, lack of sleep, stress, etc can accelerate aging. But damn. I’ll run into a profile on the apps where the woman looks like someone in her mid 30s and she’s actually 27. I remember many years ago I was at a bar and the bartender asked me how old I thought she was. Truthfully said I thought she was in her early 30s. She was actually 26. She legit got super upset at m…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 11:54 PM
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On my third date. She’s in the bathroom. I can’t deal with this anymore. I need to let her go.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 01:57 AM
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Modern women have latent beliefs that men are bad, oppressive enablers of the patriarchy. So anything they do in service to men is seen as shameful. I think it’s a form of cognitive dissonance that gets expressed as hate towards men. Why else do TikTok thots go to the gym in scantily clad clothing showing their asses and cameltoes so they can film themselves doing hip thrusts with poor form for hundreds of thousands of men to lust after behind their screens while trying to catch men at the gym g…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 05:37 AM
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So the majority of men throughout history were literal incels (using the broad assumption that being unable to procreate loosely means they also couldn’t have sex, even casually)?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 03:58 AM
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I’m not sure how true this stat is, but apparently 80% of women and 60% of men to-date have reproduced. I wonder if what we’re seeing today in terms of dating woes is the vocalization and expectation from these 40% of men to be able to reproduce, too. Maybe in the past before we had the internet, social media, and dating apps, these men just silently suffered. And they accepted their place in the world. But today, everyone thinks they deserve someone, especially with dating apps. And everyone ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 03:45 AM
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Most women on this sub aren’t going to be the Staceys and Beckys that we all find attractive. There will be a disproportionate amount of average to below average looking women with poor(er) social skills, shyness/introversion/aloofness, etc. And same can be said for the men, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 03:35 AM
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Exact same rule here, too. And overweight/obese women simply do not do it for me. Even if one was DTF and I was super horny, I’d rather just jerk off.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 01:00 AM
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I can’t even imagine being so desperate and horny for sex that you sleep with unattractive women. I could never get aroused enough to sleep with an overweight/obese woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 06:15 PM
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Interesting. I only send likes to women who have good pics. Blurry, shitty pics are an instant X.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 03:21 AM
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I can’t recall ever being pleasantly surprised by a woman looking better than her pics.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 03:13 AM
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She doesn’t seem so antagonistic in her tone imo. Perhaps a bit misguided bc I agree with your logic for going younger. But she doesn’t come across as being militant about shaming age preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 03:10 AM
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If you hit the g spot and give her clit enough stimulation she can cum.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 02:51 AM
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Yes, I know women can do kegels to exercise more control over that. But I don’t think it’s true women can’t ever cum from PIV. And this isn’t some ploy to preserve my ego. I don’t put a lot of emphasis on sex and my sexual prowess, so it’s not that. But I do agree the vast majority of women cannot cum from PIV.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 02:49 AM
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Are you saying it’s literally impossible for 100% of women to cum from piv? I had one ex where I’d feel her vaginal walls contracting when she’d “supposedly” cum from piv, which is consistent with how women’s bodies react when cumming. I could feel her gripping my dick more tightly too. Maybe it was fake. But I’m inclined to believe it was real.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 02:42 AM
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For me, this would be a dealbreaker. I’m a pretty shallow guy though. And I like slim, toned women with tight bodies.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 02:37 AM
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On average, agree. I’ve only had two exes that came easily from PIV. The rest cum more easily with fingering. The one ex who came rather easily was super down for me. So I think there’s a mental aspect as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 02:34 AM
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Gents, when you’re evaluating a woman’s dating profile, she will look at best as good as her worst pic. I hear from my female friends that for men it’s the opposite: they’ll look even better than their best pic.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 02:26 AM
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I work in stem and make half a mil, roughly. I want my partner to have little to no debt, be smart, have a college degree, relatively ambitious, and making six figures. Tryna build an empire here together. No broke women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 10:28 PM
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How tf did the courts award her money when she’s wealthier?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 03:01 AM
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Cool, makes sense. Bc I was gonna clown you if it wasn’t something tied to weight loss. You’re either born good looking or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 02:12 AM
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How did you go from bad looking to good looking?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 02:08 AM
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Agree. That’s why men send dick pics because they want to see full nudity pics from women. And that’s why women tend to send more suggestive pics instead of full nudity of their clam shells because they prefer the more mentally stimulating visuals. And that’s why women prefer “nudes” from men that show a bulge under his boxer briefs vs a straight up dick pic. That’s why women sell themselves as smart, ambitious, and successful - because that’s what they want. They’ll tout how they have advanced …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 01:38 PM
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Not really. Any guy working at a major tech company or high powered finance job can clear 300k by their late 20s and early 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 04:00 AM
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If you live in a major city like NYC, DC, LA, SF, these men are way more common.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 03:53 AM
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Indeed. One repeat hookup I had would proudly tell me stories of how she’d get really drunk (she used to bartend) and hook up and be “very reckless.” She used to party and drink a lot and do drugs like shrooms and blow, etc. I remember we were exchanging embarrassing stories from our pasts and she proudly told me of how she got so shit faced drunk once when she was 21 or so and she shit herself at a party with friends in a desert. Lmao. She was great and enthusiastic in bed though and I really e…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 08:32 PM
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This is a great analogy. And it sounds like you’re enjoying your used car because it’s been reliable and a solid performer with no major electrical or mechanical issues. Maybe the paint is in decent condition, too. And it was within your budget. But sometimes you don’t get so lucky with the used cars unless you know what to look out for. Sometimes they have the CEL on but you didn’t notice it at first because they cleared the lights as a temporary “fix” before the sale. Sometimes it breaks down …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 08:26 PM
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Yep. Anecdotal, but I’ve never run into an issue with a woman getting mad or annoyed that I ask for her number. Hell, I’ve had many women willingly give me their numbers first because they want to text off of the app. You have to read the room and gauge her interest levels and text tonality. People are easy to read. Maybe these guys are asking too soon without building rapport. Too many men are socially inept and can’t read the room.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 06:10 PM
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Feminine, attractive women are eager to give out their numbers to men they like being pursued by. I see a lot of desirable women on the apps complaining how guys DONT ask for numbers to move plans forward.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 05:53 PM
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I’m introverted at my core but I can turn on the extroverted sociability knob way high esp when I’m surrounded by other introverts who are shy. But when there are tons of other, more gregarious extroverted people, I blend in more subtly. No one would ever mistake me for a super outgoing extrovert extreme, but I’ve definitely surprised some people (mostly coworkers) by saying I’m an introvert by nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 04:00 PM
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Gross. I feel bad for her. Dude also lowkey looks like jack nicholson
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 03:53 PM
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You’re having an emotional reaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 11:35 AM
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Now this is a more level headed response I’m happy to respond to in earnest. Which point did you want me to address? The part where you said we shouldn’t judge people for what they do in their free time? It wasn’t clear to me what your specific argument was.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 11:21 PM
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You’re too young to be actively involved in this subreddit. You literally still take the school bus to go to school. Why are you on here?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 10:15 PM
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Yeah, I actually agree this is the more apt analogy. That’s why women tend to get hurt more by their partner having an emotional affair vs a one time sexual affair whereas for men it’s the opposite. I think this is also why women have their guards up when their partner has a female best friend he confides in deeply and emotionally with. Makes them very, very insecure.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 10:05 PM
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accuses others of armchair psychology and does it herself by calling others depressed Nah, I just scrolled through your comment history and deduced you’re a raging feminist with an axe to grind against men. You’re basically a rusty hammer in search of a nail to smash at every opportunity. I’d be more impressed and inclined to debate with you if you demonstrated more emotional maturity and logical reasoning skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 09:59 PM
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These replies are so funny. Boils down to “well akshually, I don’t personally do this therefore no one else in the world does it either.” And no one is claiming 100% of women are like this. No one can claim 100% of women do anything except maybe drink water and breathe oxygen.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 09:55 PM
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Sooooooo jealous
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 09:41 PM
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Saying they derive their self esteem from online attention is not the same thing as saying they have boring lives doing nothing all day.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 08:54 PM
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This is the type of woman I want to date and marry as well. I don’t want to bother with the headache and entitlement of a smoke show.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 08:07 PM
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Yeah, a random bikini pic here and there from a beach trip with friends or family is fine. She’s clearly just expressing her lifestyle in an earnest, authentic way. But there are tons of gorgeous, young women who are straight up intoxicated with the positive validation they get by posting thirst traps. Their egos are entirely built on a weak, fleeting foundation of a) digital attention from strangers and b) her looks, which will fade as she ages. I worry for these women as they age out of the be…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 05:10 PM
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Agreed. Unfortunately, too many men are shamed for expressing discomfort at their partners posting blatant thirst traps on social media. They’re called insecure and controlling. I don’t think any man can force his partner to do anything outside of her will. But if he expresses a boundary about this, she chooses to continue, and he dumps her, I bet dollars to donuts she’d tell her friends that she dumped HIM for being “insecure” and “controlling.”
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 05:02 PM
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Yep, this works for you because you are in full control. If he all of a sudden changed his pw and denied you this ability without really rationalizing it other than “you’re being insecure; let me live my life. Trust me.” How would you react and feel?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 04:45 PM
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Right. Because women know men don’t get nearly the same amount of inbound, overt and explicit pleas for partnership that women do. But if she knew that gorgeous, single women were hitting him up CONSTANTLY, she’d try to lock his behavior down stat.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 02:48 PM
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Yes, this exactly, too. This desire to always be ostensibly available is mostly concentrated within the most attractive women who do have a semblance of being able to attract a lot of men, inclusive of some very high value men. An average, mid looking woman won’t bother. Because deep down she knows she won’t catch a Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 02:27 PM
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Agreed. People focus too much on the “what” of the action instead of the “outcome” of said action. It doesn’t matter what the behavior or action is: if it’s eliciting a response in the other gender that ostensibly poses a threat to your relationship, it’s reasonable to have an uncomfortable reaction to it. Imagine a woman dating a man who is interested in rock music. He forms a band and is the lead vocalist. They’re unknown for months. But all of a sudden he goes viral on TikTok after playing a …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 02:04 PM
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If you’re going to make a post to honey pot posters to call them the p-word, at least use the correct word. Being attracted to 18 year olds is not the same as being a pedo. Being a pedo means you are attracted to literal children that have child like features. The word you’re looking for is ephebophilia, which is the attraction to late adolescents (canonically accepted as mid to late teens).
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 01:41 PM
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You’re conflating economic output value with relationship/sexual value.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 01:35 PM
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This shit is always so tricky because women get so much plausible deniability with this type of content. And there’s no close male equivalent that would make them understand. But imagine if we asked in the abstract if women would be comfortable with their men posting content that is visually or emotionally stimulating to single women who are enthusiastically trying to sleep with or partner up with said men. It doesn’t really matter what the content is: it could be pictures of him with puppies. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 01:31 PM
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I’m 6’2” and I’ve noticed that the matches who tend to be the most enthusiastic in their convos with me are taller women. And more specifically women who are 5’10”. Short matches have an abundance of options since most men are taller than them and don’t necessarily feel “relieved” to match with someone taller. But tall women have slim pickings, especially if they also want someone taller than them. I think this is why I like dating women who are between 5’7 and 5’10”. Even mechanically things ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 02:02 AM
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It’s all fake virtue signaling. They’re all talk and no walk.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 01:52 AM
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The woke mob is insufferable. I have a minority female friend who joined it and on her TikTok she routinely shits on white men and calls them racial slurs with impunity. I don’t hang out with her anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 01:05 AM
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That’s why they say that new pussy is the best pussy. Which is a crude way of explaining the male biological urge to spread their seed.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 12:48 AM
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For women, I love UX designers or researchers. They tend to be feminine and empathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 08:23 PM
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Co-sign. There is a negative correlation between sexual enthusiasm/freakiness (lmao this originally autocorrected to creaminess) and attractiveness. The best sex I had was with an ex who was a 6. Man she was wild. I miss the sex we had. My last ex was a 7.5 and 8 on a great day. She was still good and vocal. But def less eager to please.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 08:18 PM
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This is so true. I had to cancel a date on Friday for a legitimate reason/emergency. She never responded. I told her yesterday more details about it and then she believed me. She then came over and we hooked up (we’ve been sleeping together for a month or so). Afterwards she told me that on Friday when she got my text, she didn’t know what to make of it and asked her friends. They all said I was a lying sack of shit and that she should go out with them to party, get drunk, and meet guys. The sis…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 09:42 PM
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CMV: people who believe in astrology and make life decisions (like who to date) based on them are idiots and lack critical reasoning skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 07:05 PM
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Fair enough. I’m trying to figure out where you draw the line.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 02:36 PM
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Ok, so now I think you’re back pedaling because previously, you established a choice is a choice regardless of how or why one arrived at said choice. So then if a man is not able to have sex due to social anxiety, it’s not a choice per your redefined logic?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 02:26 PM
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Gotcha, so you’re just defining the literal definition of making a choice, agnostic of whatever factors went into making said choice. Fair enough. I can give you that. A choice is a choice. So if a woman is chronically single because she has paralyzing social anxiety and never leaves her house, we can simply say her being single is her choice? Fwiw, if someone is asexual bc they have no sex drive, I think that’s totally valid to say it’s due to choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 02:09 PM
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Inaction due to fear is not really the same because it implies they otherwise would’ve taken action if not for said fear. Example: not reporting a sexual assault to the police out of fear. I don’t think we’d tell those women they were making an empowered choice. And if a man were to casually shrug off the validity / seriousness of an SA accusation by saying the victim in question didn’t file a police report as “she made her choice not to,” there would be huge moral outrage.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 12:17 PM
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The market has spoken, you’re right. And I think most people on the apps on balance are unhappy with how dating plays out in this day and age. That’s a problem. I think my proposal is a potential solution. Whether people will want to invest 30 minutes to answer some dating preference questions is a different story.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 01:21 AM
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I think my meta point (which I didn’t articulate at all) is I wish we could reduce this information asymmetry as much as possible by putting some of these preferences out there more publicly. It’d save a lot of people a lot of time and wasted effort. I remember OkCupid back in the day had a ton of questions you could answer, ranging from your views on sex, marriage, kids, politics, gender/dating norms, etc that would allow you to really get a decent sense of who someone was off rip. Now it’s all…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 01:15 AM
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What percentage of female celebrities marry normies and what percentage of male celebrities marry normies? And by normies, I presume we mean people with no meaningful social status. So that should exclude IG models, people with blue check marks, and so forth. I also expect more male celebrities to marry normies than woman. Way more. And on its face, I’ll agree with you that desiring something highly unattainable is not delusional so long as you have zero shred of expectation that you should be a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 01:03 AM
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Yes. And we’re not talking about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 12:44 AM
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I agree with this. What you’re basically saying is that when someone likes you enough and is SUPER interested, barring doing or saying something fucked up, you’ll get a ton of leeway and benefit of the doubt. The challenge with modern dating and online apps is that it’s quite rare to get THAT excited and interested in your matches off rip. Many people start off lukewarm and hit it off after the fact and end up having amazing relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 12:34 AM
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It is reasonable to consider his standards delusional because an implied component of your standards is this belief and hope that said person will want you back. Why would the model want him? It’s delusional just like it’s delusional for me to want to marry a celebrity woman. Why would she want me?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 12:13 AM
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I wasn’t being literal with the income. My point is that sometimes people (men and women) can have standards that are not realistic for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 11:56 PM
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For sure, that’s a good point. They just shouldn’t bemoan the lack of $500,000 jobs that don’t employ them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 11:38 PM
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No one should be forced to settle, you’re right. But if you keep failing to attain what you want, that’s a clear sign you’re not able to command it. You can want a $500,000 job all day long and keep applying. But if you never get called for interviews or even get offers, that should tell you something. But yeah, don’t settle, Queen.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 11:34 PM
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If you are able to get married to the man/woman who meets your standards, by definition you are not delusional because you were able to attain said standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 11:29 PM
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One of the most challenging aspects of navigating online dating as a man is the sheer heterogeneity in courtship preferences women have. One woman may prefer to message back and forth and make small talk for a week or two in order to build comfort before agreeing to a date. Another woman would fucking hate that and get bored after 3-5 messages and dip. For first dates, one woman may prefer fancy, “high investment” dates like nice dinners or cooking classes. And asking her out to coffee or ice cr…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 11:26 PM
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I think 10 years ago, I would’ve disagreed with you. But in 2023, 100000000000%.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 11:09 PM
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Wtf, this is a thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 11:05 PM
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Gotcha. As long as you find them attractive, makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 10:59 PM
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When a broke, overweight, jobless man who lives on unemployment says he doesn’t want to date anyone except a Victoria’s Secret model because only that will make him happy, we tell him he’s delusional for the most part. Now, as long as he doesn’t complain about how said women don’t want him back, then sure. Set your standards however you want under the name of “that’s what’ll make me happy.” But the moment you complain you’re not attaining said standards in partners and you start blaming society …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 10:56 PM
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Does it feel good to get attention from average guys even when you know you’d never be interested in them? When average girls give me attention, it does absolutely nothing for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 10:50 PM
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The downvote bridge from said women has commenced on my comment. Guess I struck a nerve in some folks.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 10:36 PM
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Cool, happy for you
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 09:08 PM
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Good on you. I’m 34 and my dating apps are flooded by likes by women in their 30s. Problem is, they look noticeably old and I don’t find them appealing as the women in their mid to late 20s. I also lowkey have some very minor resentment towards not being good enough for them when I was in my 20s, so there’s definitely a sense of “why should I settle for you when you didn’t want to settle for me during your peak.”
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 08:41 PM
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I was not as successful romantically as I am now when I was in my mid 20s. It’ll get better as you become more confident, refined in your looks, and make more money.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 08:28 PM
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Never said it was universal. Merely suggested it was common enough to be noticeable.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 08:27 PM
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Yes, I do too. And they tend to be the most chronically single, jaded, unhappy women. Because what they demand they cannot command. So they grow very bitter and hate men for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 08:27 PM
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I think it’s a stretch to call them narcissists. It is light manipulation, yes. But that’s what I don’t get - what are they getting out of it? Attention from someone they don’t want doesn’t seem very fulfilling. I’m obviously projecting my own interpretation of how I perceive similar attention I get. It does nothing for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 08:24 PM
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Pretty girls in their early 20s are at their literal peak in terms of sexual / dating value. It makes sense they’d be super selective and demand everything to be in their terms. It’s no different than a Chad being able to get things on his terms. If one girl doesn’t want it, he can next her in an instant and line another one up in a jiffy. TLDR: people with power behave accordingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 08:07 PM
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No, I’m not talking about friends. I’m talking about guys she knows are into them (come on, women are smart and especially socially smart; they can tell when a guy likes them).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 08:04 PM
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It’s a common belief and saying that women love attention, even from men they don’t necessarily desire romantically. I don’t understand this. When women I’m not interested in give me attention, I don’t want it at all. The only attention I want is from women I want. Yet it seems some women are content to hang out and talk with guys they have no romantic interest in. They’ll text the guy when they’re bored, etc. Really odd to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 07:52 PM
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Post nut clarity is a real thing. I’m a relatively LL guy so I’m not very sex hungry. But when I’m dating someone new, if we have sex before I develop an emotional connection (most often the case), it more than often jeopardizes the relationship because there’s a dissonance in my brain of “wait we’re having lots of intimate sex, but I don’t feel anything for her emotionally” and then I tend to withdraw.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 07:09 PM
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I think this mindset is only common amongst younger 20s girls who are objectively attractive and get a ton of attention. If they don’t find a perfect guy by their late 20s, they’ll change their tune and “settle.”
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 07:07 PM
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Hmm, it’s hard to tell where this will go long term based on all this. It sounds like you guys have had sex maybe more than once? Or has it just been once? At this point, you just need to monitor his behavior and communication. The key point is consistency. If he’s no longer consistent with how frequently he texts, sets up plans, the level of investment, etc, then that’s your sign that he’s not seeing you more than a casual thing. TLDR: look for consistency. Good luck!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 06:44 PM
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These people need to be called out at large when they misbehave. Shaming has its place in society, esp when these people are behaving in dangerous ways or promoting very dangerous rhetoric.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 06:41 PM
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Most Americans are fat, regardless of sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 06:36 PM
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Some of the bad faith, inflammatory takes I see here are mind boggling. To think that these people genuinely believe they’re promoting and suggesting reasonable, realistic, logical takes just blows my mind. How does one’s mind become so warped? It’s frightening.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 06:35 PM
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Gotcha. Going back to your story, I don’t understand the chain of events. You told him the “I take sex seriously” line before sex? How long before sex? Need more context. If you give a more detailed play by play and how this guy is behaving now I can give you a really good insight into how he might be thinking as a straight guy in a major city who dates around.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 06:16 PM
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Idk if I’m confusing you with someone else but are you the person who posted about a guy inviting you to his place for a second date because the weather was bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 06:09 PM
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But not everyone needs to live in order for humankind to keep existing, right? I’m using the argument you keep using. Not everyone needs to procreate for humankind to persist. Not everyone needs to eat for humankind to exist. You saying that’s me saying I’m promoting mass genocide and eugenics is hysterical.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 05:20 PM
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That’s fucked. Why is that? Is there nuanced, well thought out legal reasoning that justifies why this is the case? Or is this one of those “it just is” double standards men face in the law?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 04:54 PM
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It’s definitely prevalent amongst the younger generation.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 04:52 PM
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We need to be more nuanced. Sex at the societal and humankind level is a need for the species to persist. Sex at the individual level is not a need if we define need as something required for survival. You won’t die from not having sex. But if we define need in terms of Maslow’s hierarchy of needs, for instance, sex can be considered one of the base level needs in order to have a fulfilling, self actualized life. Having a rich, socially fulfilling social network is not a need for life. But it’s …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 04:49 PM
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My take on this is that because way more men are actual rapists than women who make false claims, it’s reasonable as to why society and the law tend to err on the side of believing the woman to start. That’s what makes this crime so difficult because absent any indisputable evidence, like camera footage, it’s so hard to prove. It’s a he said she said game. That’s a very dangerous setup.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 04:45 PM
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Do women get the equivalent harshness in punishment for false rape/SA accusations as men who are actually convicted of said crimes? If not, they should.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 04:43 PM
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The only prevalent double standard men somewhat have is with casual sex. People don’t shame and or silently judge men for being promiscuous at nearly the same rate and intensity as they do for women. But this is slowly turning with the popular adoption of negative slang like fuck boi.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 04:38 PM
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This is spot on. I routinely go on dates with objectively attractive women, and yeah they’re nice to look at and sleep with, but if I don’t like their personalities, I don’t see them as anything more than casual hookups. Id much rather date seriously a cute, but fits-my-personality/character-preferences girl because I can form an emotional attachment with them. Obviously the holy grail is someone who is attractive and “cool,” but the more attractive they are, the more entitled and narcissistic t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 04:25 PM
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Everything comes down to supply and demand.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 02:11 PM
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Figure out your goals and priorities. If it’s to look most physically attractive to women and date more successfully, the shredded 150 is the way to go.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 10:54 PM
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20% bf is a lot for a man. Ideally you want to be in the lower teens to be decently cut. That’s when you start to lose facial fat. Facial fat tends to be the last to go.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 10:44 PM
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How tall are you and how much do you weigh? Edit: you look overweight. I can see all the excess fat in your cheeks. Lose weight. I’m not trying to be a dick. I’m giving you the most brutal advice you need to hear to get results.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 10:40 PM
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You’re telling me there are no communities of autistic people that come together to mingle?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 10:38 PM
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In that case I encourage you to date autistic women. Do you know of any communities near you where autistic people mingle?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 10:37 PM
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Bro I am sorry but I’m going to be blunt and give you the harsh reality. Facially, you’re maybe a 4-5 out of 10 because it’s chubby. If you lose weight, I could see you turning into a solid 5.5 facially. Youre still average looking enough that you could attract some women with a killer personality. But I mean a killer one that’s oozing with charisma, confidence, and easy goingnesss. You have to radiate positivity, fun, and a “I don’t care what people think about me” attitude but without being co…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 10:36 PM
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The moment she transitioned to a man, he started oppressing women via the patriarchy. So his account is null and void.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 09:43 PM
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This is great. I remember watching this a while back. I like Anna Akana. She has good, balanced takes. And I like how she doesn’t shy away from calling out her own gender’s flaws. I think one of the most toxic traits of modern women is their reluctance to call each other out. The sisterhood trumps all.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 09:42 PM
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What if poopy
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 09:34 PM
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Did you know that humans don’t need to eat food to survive? Food is not a need, so we can stop working to solve world hunger. Because as long as some people have food and survive, humanity will continue.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 09:30 PM
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I’m not surprised. They’re selfish fucks who couldn’t care less about how their nasty habit impacts those around them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 08:42 PM
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I fucking hate cigarette smokers who smoke while walking on a sidewalk, making us all inhale their shitty second hand smoke. Selfish fucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 08:33 PM
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Yeah. If you don’t care about height it stands to reason you won’t notice it. As an analogy, I don’t give a shit about designer handbags so I won’t notice what fancy shit women are carrying.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 08:29 PM
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I’m 6’2” and if a 5’8” guy told me with a straight face he was 6’ I’d laugh at him and ask to pull out the measuring tape. How tall are you? I’ve noticed this height blindness tends to concentrate amongst really short women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 08:26 PM
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A 5’8” dude saying he’s 6’ is a joke. That’s noticeable to anyone. The most you could lie by is maybe one inch.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 08:21 PM
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You’re right. Sex is not a need. Because we can just stick needles in men’s testes, extract the sperm, and jab it into women’s fallopian tubes so they can conceive. I forgot that that was the easiest, best way for humans to survive on a mass scale. Your pedantry is not impressive. You thought you ate. You didn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 08:14 PM
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Sex is pleasurable precisely because it incentivizes us to seek it out so we can reproduce. Another form of pedantry that doesn’t even hold up to basic logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 08:11 PM
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I feel bad for these men. How could you possibly think no one would notice you’re lying about your height when you exaggerate by that much. That’d be like me saying I’m 6’6” and hoping no one notices. Idiots. They make it worse for all men. You should ask them to participate in a height measuring exercise. See what stupid excuses they come up with.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 08:09 PM
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Sex is a need for the human species to continue. Sex is a means to an end: reproduction. That’s not the same as saying every man needs to have sex to survive themselves as if if they don’t have sex, their dicks will shrivel off and they’ll spontaneously combust and die. Again, weak minded. Because you are a rusty broken hammer constantly trying to smash out nails that look like men begging for sex. And in said pursuit, you won’t accept basic biological truisms and instead choose to be pedantic a…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 08:05 PM
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I do agree with that. As long as the rate of reproduction exceeds the rate of death, humanity will survive. But that’s not the point. The point is that we all have DNA that hardwires us to want to procreate. Sure, some are relentlessly childfree for their own reasons. But by and large, the average man and average woman has DNA that makes them do things to result in procreation. You can’t accept that and go on stupid, irrelevant, pointless tangents like “hurr durr only some people need to procrea…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 07:58 PM
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Yep. Confirming I’m sporting a micropenis and I’m riddled with insecurity. How did they know?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 07:53 PM
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Feminine. I like girly girl women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 07:47 PM
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Interesting. I wonder how women who get hit on and cat called often, to the point of vocalizing their annoyance and rage about it, feel when it stops happening because they’ve aged out of their youth and beauty. I’ve read a handful of articles by women who say it’s jarring when they get old and notice that no men approach them anymore. They don’t buy them drinks. They don’t hold the door open for them anymore. They don’t flirt with them anymore. They stop getting attention. And for once, they fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 07:46 PM
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Thanks, I’ll check out her channel. What was her TLDR answer to that?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 07:41 PM
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Yep. The only caveat would be that trans men and trans women often face discrimination that makes their struggles wholly unique, too. The best would be those who transitioned and experienced relatively little discrimination post transition and thus widely accepted for who they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 07:39 PM
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It certainly has. Humans are so selfish. And our education system is trash tier in the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 07:38 PM
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Add on resource extracting to that for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 07:33 PM
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I wish we could assemble a panel of trans men and trans women who have undergone hormone therapy to hear them swap stories of what surprised them most about their transitioned gender’s unique struggles. It would engender a lot of empathy for each gender’s problems, IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 07:32 PM
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I sometimes wonder how some of y’all function successfully in society and maintain healthy relationships with other humans. The most sobering thing about this sub is how it reinforces how dumb and confidently incorrect the average person is.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 07:23 PM
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This same entity said the existence of IVF is proof that human DNA does not hard wire us to seek sex. Make it make sense. Something’s not right in their brain.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 07:06 PM
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I am content re: my libido. I’m very successful in life largely because I set goals and achieve them without distraction. It must suck to be sex crazed. Most women are largely a distraction and a net negative to my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 07:02 PM
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I do do squats 1-2x a week and weightlift in total 3x a week or so. Have done so for years. I have an athletic slender build as an ectomorph. I got my test tested twice already and it comes out to 500 (whatever units it is), so in the middle-ish of the reference range. I’m just not naturally a horny dude. I do notice a temporary bump in horniness when I hit legs after a month long break or so. But then it reverts back to baseline.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 06:59 PM
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Low libido
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 06:54 PM
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Me, a relatively LL man: our DNA hardwires men and women to seek out sex so they can reproduce and extend the human race. It’s basic evolution. Literally every species on earth tries to reproduce so it can continue existing. Women who see the word sex and can’t distinguish it from reproduction: NO DONT SAY THAT BECAUSE YOURE GONNA GIVE SEX PESTS AN EXCUSE FOR THEIR BEHAVIOR Me: So we should reject basic biological truisms? Same women: YES Okay, so facts don’t matter anymore as long as it gives t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 06:49 PM
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No.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 06:31 PM
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Ok
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 06:06 PM
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You’re assuming things about me. I’m not red pill. I don’t think women owe men sex. And I think a lot of men here are moronic pieces of shit who are trying to find excuses to dominate women. And in my eyes, you are. Because you just demonstrated your bias by self admitting to seeing my comment as some ploy by a conniving sex starved man to try to rationalize sex craving pestilence. I debate here in search of the objective truth. And I often use analogies to convey complex topics. I get frustrate…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 06:02 PM
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Your last statement is such a reach and you’re ascribing malicious intentions to an innocuous analogy. You’re ironically demonstrating a flavor of the behavior I referenced in my original comment. Analogies are inherently meant to be neutral value judgments. They’re used to convey a feeling or principle. They aren’t used to excuse bad behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 05:46 PM
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It’s an analogy that is directionally accurate. No one said it was the best analogy. But it’s a valid one. What’s a better analogy in your mind?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 05:34 PM
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No. That’s why people masturbate. Because it’s easy and accessible. But all else being equal, men, at least, prefer the real thing. It simply feels so much better. Technology helps alleviate that with the advent of fleshlights, sex toys, blow up dolls, etc. But sex with an attractive (to the man) woman will always be the Platonic ideal.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 05:28 PM
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Why do people use analogies? To give people who don’t understand something a more relatable frame of reference so they can better understand it. It’s not to say that the concepts/objects/people/etc used in the analogy are equal to each other. It’s to demonstrate an underlying idea or principle. The objects/things used in the analogy are not the point and should not be what people focus on. I see this time and time again where people use analogies in the way they’re intended to be used and then m…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 05:20 PM
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It explains their behavior but it doesn’t excuse it. You can’t make a broad claim that sex is not a need for the survival of human beings by pointing to the existence of IVF technology so you can narrowly deny some men the ability to explain why theyre so sex crazed. Explaining their behavior to understand why they behave the way they do is not the same thing as excusing and condoning it. This is why I think you’re a dishonest debater. You’d rather reject universal truths in order to spite speci…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 05:03 PM
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Another example of someone getting lost in the details instead of thinking about the bigger picture. My point is that both genders do things to each other that both genders do not like. And I don’t think one gender is inherently worse or more evil. I can’t prove that claim, nor can anyone prove the other claim. It’s too complex a question to objectively answer. My point is no one can say men are worse or women are worse as an indisputable fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 04:55 PM
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A colony of bacteria in a Petri dish will keep expanding and growing until it eventually runs out of nutrients and the whole colony dies. Why? Because the bacteria’s DNA doesn’t have self awareness that it’s in a Petri dish with limited resources. It just primitively keeps reproducing because that’s what it’s programmed to do. Humans obviously have brains and self awareness and can modulate their behavior based on such knowledge. But it requires overriding our basal biological instincts. And her…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 04:51 PM
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You’re talking about edge cases. IVF is not an option for the vast majority of people due to the cost. And it’s typically used for couples who can’t conceive through traditional methods (ie sex). And yes, overpopulation for instance can lead to the long term downfall of human beings. But our DNA doesn’t have those concepts built in. Our DNA primitively instructs us to do things to survive and reproduce. This isn’t a groundbreaking or controversial claim. I know the reason you’re fighting so hard…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 04:44 PM
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Sex is a need for the survival of the human species. Just like food is. It’s just that food is a need for individual survival whereas sex is not. But both are needed for the human species to not go extinct. And that’s why humans tend to behave in ways that are conducive to the survival of the species.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 04:28 PM
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No one did.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 03:51 PM
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I agree with this analogy. In b4 women come in saying “I’m not a piece of steak; don’t objectify me” because they get lost in the examples used in analogies to conveniently shut down the conversation without providing any logical counterpoints that aren’t based on invalid hysteria.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 03:10 PM
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Another theory I have for why men are so much easier to shit on is because our bad actions are much worse in magnitude and noticeable. Think of rape and murder. Or less damaging things like using women for sex. It’s often a very very very small minority of men who do these things. But when they do it, EVERYONE notices. It’s hard to miss. Women OTOH inflict the same total damage to men in society, but in much more subtle innocuous ways. Think of it as women giving men small paper cuts here and th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 01:41 PM
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Nah she’ll birth the child. And she’ll pay for our lifestyle. I’ll stay home and raise the kids and play with the toys she buys me.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 10:48 PM
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Like I said, I’d be happy for my wife to take the reigns and carry on her name through our kids if she also plays the provider role and pays for my lifestyle.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 10:35 PM
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I’d be happy to let her give her name if she also works full time while I stay home and raise the kids. I expect her to pay for my lifestyle, too. I want to live in a nice house and drive fancy cars. And I wasn’t aware women were forced under the gun to have sex and have kids. I guess they didn’t realize they’d have to carry a baby.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 10:11 PM
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This is true. They hold all the leverage unless you’re better than them
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 09:08 PM
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Women throw around the misogynist label too loosely.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 08:02 PM
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But she has to spend so much money maintaining her beauty routine and look. Think about all that money spent on hair, nails, makeup, skincare products, and the gym. Men need to pay for the first date to compensate women for all that. Even though none of that is done for men. They do it for themselves, remember? But we should still pay. /s In b4 the patriarchy forces them to do it, so it’s still men’s fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 07:56 PM
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I’m in a major city and this sadly describes the majority of decently attractive women. Some won’t outright reject you for it but they sure as hell will grumble internally about it at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 07:53 PM
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Agnostic of how many you go on, a dinner first date is a bad idea for any man IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 07:00 PM
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A desirable man in a major city who invests decent time into the apps. I could and have in the past. But it’s exhausting so now I try to only go on 1 a week max.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 06:58 PM
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Yep, which I agreed with. My meta point is that it sounds good in theory, but in practice, it’s hard to find that balance where both parties agree. It’s my own personal theory for why a lot of modern relationships either fail to take off or become laden with simmering resentments and misunderstandings as they progress. Re last names, that is lame. I’ve also been curious what happens when people with hyphenated last names marry each other. Does it become A + B + C + D? Combining two together make…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 05:28 PM
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Totally. If both parties are clear on what each other wants and aligned, and it works, great. But in practice, I think both genders are finding themselves incompatible when they cherry pick like this. As an example, my last ex was a blend of modern and traditional. She didn’t want to take a man’s last name in marriage which im totally cool with. She can do whatever the fuck she wants with her last name. Idgaf about her taking mine. She said it was an outdated norm from the patriarchy. I agreed. …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 05:22 PM
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Yes, and this is why so many relationships fail. Because everyone wants to have their cake and eat it too. Both genders, equally. The most successful couples I’ve seen are the ones where both parties lean into one side or the other with consistency.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 05:14 PM
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The problem is both genders who try to balance both just end up rejecting the aspects that don’t benefit them and only wanting the ones that do benefit them. For men, this could look like wanting to go 50/50 on finances but latently expecting/hoping his gf will do more household duties still. He might want to still go out and party with the boys but not want his gf to go to the club and post thirst traps. For women, this could look like wanting her partner to cover most of the finances, but want…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 05:13 PM
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It absolutely is stifling IMO because the convos are harder to have when you’re shoving food in your mouth. This isn’t even my preference based on the manosphere. I simply think drinks are the best, logistically. No one will ever change my mind that dinner is the optimal move for a first date. Dinner isn’t even all that special, either.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 04:30 PM
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That is a good thing. I’m happy to do dinner dates for second dates. But you’re missing the point. the point is for first dates, they are a horrible move due to the mechanics of dinner stifling the ability to have seamless convo.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 03:43 PM
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Who said it was a universal rule? I simply shared a single anecdote of my experience running into what I sensed to be a foodie call situation. Plain and simple. Also she’s fine to want more, but ask for it with your chest. Don’t passive aggressively inject “and food” like a child. Say “hey I prefer to get to know people who I think will show more effort; would you be open to dinner?” I’d still say no and move on. But don’t be passive aggressive.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 03:40 PM
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Agreed. Though I’m curious why you’re bringing this up? Are you suggesting that it’s appropriate to want these higher end dates because it signals your ability to provide / live well in said cities? Modern women do this too. Most people do it. Dating one person at a time is a losing strategy unless the other person is also dating one person at a time. And that’s not information you have off rip. It sucks though because I’d prefer to date one person at a time. But like I said, it’s a losing strat…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 03:17 PM
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Even if the cost was the same, I HATE dinner dates. Conversation gets stifled because you’re shoving food in your mouth, chewing, you get the awkward pauses where they’ve asked you a question and you can’t answer because your mouth is full. They’re just bad bad bad from a mechanical standpoint. And the only women who tend to be hell bent on getting dinner dates are the more entitled ones IME. Entitlement is a huge turn off. Probably is how women feel when a guy feels entitled to sex just because…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 03:09 PM
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Possibly. But improbable imo. Here’s why: I’m 34 and she was 24. Right off the bat the huge age gap was going to be an issue for an LTR (for me at least). Her bio said something to the effect of “looking for fun and people to eat and drink with” And my job is a dead giveaway that I’m a high earner. Young women are smart: they know older men like me want them physically, so I think she saw me as a guy to exploit for a foodie call with no intention of doing anything beyond that. She wasn’t investe…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 03:06 PM
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I always do drinks first. Reminds me of a match I had. Kinda got vibes she was just dating around to pass time and/or get free meals. Hard to explain but trust me on this. But she was cute, so I figured why not and told her I’d love to take her out for drinks (to see if it could turn into a casual thing at a minimum). She responded “I’d love to get some drinks and food” Instant turn off with how she passive aggressively injected the food “suggestion.” Unmatched with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 01:43 PM
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Fortunately never been in that situation before. But if I found myself in that situation, I think I’d politely say “hey I feel misled with how you portrayed yourself online. I don’t see this going anywhere, take care” and I’d leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 01:38 PM
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I’d love to do coffee or ice cream for the reasons you stated. Unfortunately, the caliber of woman I date tends to not like these. They are somewhat more expecting of at least something more upscale, ie drinks at a nice cocktail lounge. It’s the bed I have to lie on due to the women I choose to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 01:30 PM
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I want to start doing this. I go on a lot of first dates from the apps. 75% of them don’t go anywhere because I don’t want to see them again. I want to ask to split when I think the woman acts in a way that really turns me off, but it’s kind of unfair IMO bc I’m the one who picked the venue. I don’t really pick expensive spots, but I also don’t pick cheap dive bars either. So it might be a dick move for me to ask to split. That said, the women I tend to go on dates with are professional women wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 01:14 PM
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This is my preferred style in a woman. I’ll ask, plan, and pay for the first 3 dates or so. I’ll insist on paying too. But I do watch for signs of contribution. If she INSISTS on paying for a second or third date dinner, I’ll let her and note her down in my brain as potential GF material. But that’s very rare. Only a handful of women have done that. The next best is when they insist on covering a small ticket item, like a round of drinks at the bar. Or the Uber we take somewhere. I just want to …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 01:05 PM
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Lol if you live in a major city like LA or NYC, an average restaurant bill where you both get two drinks each, two apps, and an entree? With tax and tip, that’ll set you back $150-200 easy. And if you’re going on 1-3 dates a week, that quickly adds up. I make a high enough income that I can easily absorb this. But the ROI on this is HORRIBLE. So I never, ever go on dinner first dates. Not only do I think they’re horrible at fostering conversation and chemistry, but they’re not worth it to the ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 12:58 PM
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Yeah, it wouldn’t work so well for men because men compete with each other. Women have a sisterhood they use to protect each other. A good deal of men would be looking to sabotage each other. Maybe they’d spread false lies about a woman they’re dating to turn off other men from pursuing her. It wouldn’t be the same. Or maybe it would since men are getting sick of the power imbalance in dating? Who knows.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 02:57 AM
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Why they succeed or fail in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 03:35 PM
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I wish we could see everyone’s faces, bodies, bank accounts, and demeanors here. It would explain a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 03:24 PM
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You missed the point. But I admittedly didn’t set up my comment well, either, so it’s understandable.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 02:59 PM
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LOL I clicked on your link and was NOT surprised who it was. I went through it with her yesterday, too. She kept nitpicking me on a phrase I used and said I was using it incorrectly when that wasn’t even the point of my comment. I finally asked her to define what it meant and she just cut and run and ignored me. She’s weak. People like her who are so confidently incorrect are destined to fail in life. They’ll never reach their max potential.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 02:54 PM
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Imagine a society where you got paid money based on how much weight you could bench press. Men would be flush with cash and flexing hard, literally and figuratively. Women would roll their eyes at said men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 02:47 PM
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Yep. People have too much pride. They see being wrong as weak. Since when is acknowledging and embracing the objective truth a weakness? It’s why ironically they will continue to be weak and unsuccessful in life. Because they don’t know how to learn, adapt, and evolve.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 02:38 PM
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I wrote a post about the state of this sub btw: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/11azi3m/meta_commentary_this_sub_is_mostly_ineffective_in/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 02:37 PM
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Like I said, as long as she’s not unhappy with her setup, ain’t nothing wrong with what she’s doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 02:35 PM
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Weak minded people don’t change their minds. Because they’re weak and think changing your mind in the face of data is a sign of weakness. It’s like a CEO that doubles down on a losing strategy instead of admitting they’re wrong and salvaging the business with a new approach. See: BlackBerry.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 02:33 PM
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Yep. It makes sense, too. Navigating relationships is hard and evokes a lot of emotions. The most unsuccessful posters are the most emotional. It’s a forum full of hammers that see everything as a nail to smash.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 02:32 PM
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People don’t come here to debate with intellectual honesty and analytical rigor. They come here to validate their pre conceived notions and cherry pick data that validate their beliefs while rejecting the ones that challenge them. Buncha weak minded men and women here.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 02:24 PM
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Prolly all the skeletons in your closet they see on full display.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 02:20 PM
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Yes, maybe. But if that’s not what they want and they want LTRs with these men, aren’t getting them consistently for months/years, and complain about it, then it’s open field for her to get told what she may be doing wrong. Maybe her standards are too high. Maybe she’s a raging bitch. Maybe she’s too entitled. Maybe she’s too sweet and a doormat.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 02:04 PM
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These women don’t understand that there are legions of attractive women out there who are failing to secure LTRs with the men they desire. These women routinely get led on and used for sex. As long as those women are okay with getting used, no problem. But if she’s been complaining about this for years and years, then she deserves to be told that her standards clearly are too high if she’s not being successful in getting what she wants. A broke man who’s balding can have his standards set for a …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 12:23 PM
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I think the hottest is when you’re doing foreplay with a girl and she just gasps, please fuck me I need your cock inside me. That’s an ego boost.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 12:14 PM
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Different strokes for different folks. I’d hear “you’re fuckable” as you just pass the threshold of being fuckable (like you barely made the cut). I wouldn’t find that flattering at all. Keep it simple, “I really want to fuck you” or “I really want you to fuck me.” “You’re fuckable” doesn’t sound like a good line to use on either sex, IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 12:11 PM
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The point is he could’ve gotten his message across better. But he didn’t. And it revealed their personality incompatibilities. The irony is she sounds like the type of woman he’d actually like, physically. And he’d probably have seen that feminine side of her if he kept seeing her. But he aggressively confronted her about her attire and turned her off. If he didn’t cancel, I’m sure she would have as well. As for her, she probably does feel some sort of sting being rejected FIRST. Women can be fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 12:06 PM
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Dude’s problem was airing out his displeasure with her dress in such a petulant way to his date. If it was such a big deal for him, he could’ve simply ghosted her or declined a second date or not ask for one. OR he could’ve brought it up in a much more flirty manner down the line once he got to know her better, either directly or indirectly. He could hint how he loves it when women dress in such a way. Or if they have great rapport and comfort, he could tell her how much he liked her look in a c…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 11:36 AM
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That makes sense. And it still explains why older women are more willing to relax their standards on looks and maintain them for wealth. Because that’s what is more important to raising a family.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 02:11 AM
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I don’t think it’s racist but I think a lot of minority races are not seen as broadly appealing because they are minorities and therefore most people don’t spend a lot of time around time. Simply being exposed to them in media is not enough. I’m talking about spending time with them in person. I remember I used to not be attracted to Indian women. But when I went to college and made some Indian friends and became exposed to a lot more Indian women, I found myself being attracted to them. Now I r…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 12:19 AM
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Can you link me to said comment? I’d like to see the word choice, context, and framing myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 12:11 AM
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I think her believing western women don’t know how to be women is simply a belief. But it’s not a belief she acts upon. She’s not actively challenging these women (like you are to her) regarding their lifestyles. I therefore see no hypocrisy coming from her end. You acknowledge a core tenet of modern feminism is basically to let women pick and choose how they want to live, right? So why are you shaming her so much for how she chooses to live? It seems like the hypocrisy is really coming from you…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 11:42 PM
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I don’t think we should apply such rigid rules to dating. Just go with the flow and read her vibe and body language. Trying to force fit every date into such a narrow framework will not work.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 07:26 PM
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It’s implied he wants to have sex with her. That’s why he’s dating her. But the dude just invited her over to his place on a second date. Now it’s much more real. It’s reasonable for her to be hesitant about going if she’s not ready to have sex yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 07:21 PM
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Oh boy, don’t even get me started on financial abortions. I’ve debated this endlessly with people here and the argument for them simply boils down to “women carry the personal cost of literally carrying a baby and that’s inherently unfair, so to make up for this inequality, men have to pay for whatever the woman decides.”
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 07:07 PM
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Right. Which is why I don’t spend much time with her or date her seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 05:56 PM
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Yeah, exactly. She’s very attractive and fits my type physically but she’s also very solipsistic and boring to converse with as a result. My ideal situation is she just comes over, we hang out for a bit, fuck, and then she leaves.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 05:35 PM
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Yes. He’s older and married with kids now. But he’s very charming and charismatic. Complete narcissist. And insanely wealthy. Facially handsome, average height. His charisma is what draws people in though. He’s the most charismatic person I’ve met in my entire life.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 05:32 PM
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TwoX women are straight up misandrists for the most part. FDS women are women who hate all men except the top 1% of them. They’ll bend over backwards to snag one.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 05:24 PM
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Two weeks for me. Was gonna have sex with my FWB on Saturday but I woke up with a migraine. She also wanted to go to an art exhibit beforehand. So I just canceled instead. Life of a lowish libido man.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 05:23 PM
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I think it’s simply wishful thinking and a slight tinge of naivety (hope?) that maybe this guy is not like the rest. That’s why I never invite women back to my place until it’s been 3-5 dates, we’ve made out plenty and heavily already, AND I can tell she’s down for me, OR she invites me back to her place first. Long story short, I only invite them back when I have near certainty she’s down for whatever happens. Women are not hard to read at all. Men continuously stub themselves in the foot by es…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 05:13 PM
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Q4All: when was the last time you changed your mind or stance on something while discussing something in this sub OR admitted you were wrong? It could be as innocuous and small as “oh I used the wrong phrase” to “my entire beliefs about X are now different.” I’ll start first: I thought the female delusion calculator had a faulty method of calculating its numbers (specifically using the wrong denominator). I wrote a comment on a post about it stating as such. The comment got a lot of upvotes. Som…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 05:11 PM
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Any decent man who isn’t sex crazed will be okay with rescheduling and taking it slower per your pace.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 05:04 PM
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Yes. Assume any man inviting you back to his place is also secretly hoping it leads to sex. Don’t even bother texting him you don’t want any sexual stuff to take place. Just say we should reschedule and see how he reacts.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 05:02 PM
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Weak people don’t change their minds in the presence of data and facts because in their (weak) minds, changing their minds is a sign of weakness. So they remain weak and never reach their max potential.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 05:00 PM
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Why do pretty women think wealthy men should be grateful for their company? You know pretty women are in excess abundance compared to wealthy men, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 04:58 PM
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Yup. Just had this exact experience. It’s so refreshing when I get to debate with someone who isn’t a complete idiot.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 04:50 PM
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Agreed
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 04:40 PM
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And the other 137% don’t know how to take these stats as euphemisms and not literal, absolute truths.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 04:28 PM
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Only 10% or so of the posters here know how to debate earnestly with logic and linear reasoning.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 04:25 PM
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Make up is temporary. Filters… really? Let me photoshop my bank account and add a couple zeroes. Plastic surgery won’t turn an unattractive woman into a super model.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 10:57 AM
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Yes, but her look with makeup is not permanent. At night she reverts back to her real self.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 10:00 PM
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I agree with everything you said, but we’re not debating how many more men or women are attractive/unattractive. We’re narrowly debating which gender has greater access to becoming attractive to the other gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 07:10 PM
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Have you spent time in the TwoX subreddit? It’s full of women complaining about male behavior and depravity. They point out examples of men calling out oppression against men and then ridicule them by stating how men commit all these horrible crimes, etc. It seems like no reasonable discourse can take place because emotions supersede logic and the two sides just talk past each other, digging in deeper and deeper into their own beliefs. It’s such a mess.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 07:04 PM
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Yeah, it’s a more extreme version of porn consumption. I think it will reduce the number of men who seek long term partners for sure. But what I don’t know is to what extent. 1%? 5%?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 06:58 PM
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Easier said than done, but those people could in theory learn a new craft or start their own business and strike it big. A hideous woman will never become a supermodel, however.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 06:45 PM
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Do you think on balance, women do more damage to men than women do to men? I think what you’re saying is women behave poorly more often but in a less damaging way, whereas men behave catastrophically damagingly, but exceedingly rarely?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 06:38 PM
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I don’t think any well adjusted man could find sex with a sex robot gratifying. I bet after each and every nut, he’ll feel disgusted with himself. That said I could see it reducing overall male thirst and rates of simping. So it could actually become more difficult for women to get cheap and easy attention. Personally, I wish I could invest in the sex toy industry. I think it will grow like gangbusters.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 06:34 PM
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This is an interesting thought exercise, but if we tried to quantify how bad each gender is in terms of damage done to each other and society, what would you say? Eg murder is worth 1000 points of badness. Cheating is maybe 50 points of badness. Lying is .2 points of badness etc. If you tallied it all up and summed it up for each gender, which gender would have the most points (the higher the number, the worse it is)?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 06:32 PM
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Good points. So how do we engage in productive dialogue about gender issues when women can always point out how much more oppressed they are in specific areas, like rape and murder? Call them out for dishonest debate?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 06:27 PM
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Depends on how you define malfeasance. I think it’s indisputable that men commit more horrible crimes, like murder and rape, than women do. Women’s crimes tend to be less violent.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 06:25 PM
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This.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 05:58 PM
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I’m a man and I disagree. Just like how a short man is fucked because of genetics, women who aren’t born with good looks to begin with are kind of screwed, too. But I think almost anyone has the capacity to become financially successful. The world’s information is at our fingertips. Anyone can become successful. Not anyone can become physically attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 05:57 PM
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The problem is when men raise societal issues against them, productive convo can’t be had because women can simply point to the worse crimes they face, like fucking death and rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 05:46 PM
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I’m convinced the women who post on FDS, vindicta, and diabla are seriously damaged individuals. Just like you said, they exhibit the same behavioral traits and rage towards the opposite sex as incels do. They so desperately want the other, but because they can’t get it, they turn to hatred and contempt.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 05:29 PM
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Honestly, idk what the solution is.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 05:25 PM
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As much as I question modern feminism, women will always have the upper hand in winning the oppression Olympics. Men really need to stop being sex pests. Fucking stop harassing women, stop raping women, stop assaulting women, stop spiking their drinks, stop sending unwanted dick pics, stop lashing out at women for rejecting your advances. Yes, women do horrible shit to men, too. But arguably at a much lower rate than men do to women. It’s because of piece of shit men like this that better men ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 05:23 PM
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This is shallow of me but she’s not attractive enough to be so entitled like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 02:38 PM
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It’s not so much that these women have sex with a chad millionaire once and they become delusional. They get continual attention and access to sex with men that are arguably out of their league. And they keep getting used by men who never have any intention of dating them. This is how they become stubborn in their standards that have no basis in reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 04:38 AM
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I think you’re right that a ton of men are delusional too and think they’re better than they really are. But you’re also delusional if you think there aren’t women out there who get strung along and used by men they’re not used to getting attention from and setting him as their standard moving forward. Sure, you can call that “don’t settle for someone you’re not attracted to” but one could say the same to a loser man who wants to only date models.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 04:12 AM
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Did you see that screenshot of a profile I ran into? What’s your take on that woman’s dating philosophy?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 03:57 AM
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Not high standards. Hypocritical standards. I’ll concede that I am conflating too much with feminism itself. I should separate out the political elements of feminism from the dating / social norm aspects of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 03:37 AM
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That’s certainly better, esp if she’s modestly dressed. And by that I mean it’s totally fine to wear dresses and the occasional beach pic for travel. But you know what I mean when I say there are women who post pics of themselves where it’s CLEARLY for attention from men. I’d still kiiinda question why most of her pics are of her. But if it’s because she posts maybe once a couple months, that seems fair. It’s when she’s posting pics of herself (tasteful or not) every couple days where I wonder i…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 03:14 AM
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I’ve never explicitly looked for signs of this tbh. I just get to know the woman and get context clues from how she carries herself. If she has an IG full of thirst traps I’d be wary though. Screams of narcissism and an ego and self worth that are built on online attention from men. I fear those women will grow up to have shallow personalities and fragile egos that will wither away as she ages and loses her looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 02:31 AM
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Yes, the critical error so many women make is conflating the caliber of men they can sleep with as the caliber of men they can get into relationships with. Men and women both tend to date and marry at their level or above. And when it comes to sex, women similarly only fuck at their level or above. But only men are happy to fuck down. Thus you have a bunch of 6s and 7s who think they deserve an 8, 9, 10 guy. That’s the real tragedy: thinking they can’t be happy with an equivalent or slightly “be…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 09:52 PM
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One issue I take with your comment here is that you unilaterally reject the assertion without even explaining how or why your rejection of said assertion is true by using vague statements that give you too much plausible deniability. You say a woman who dated a 6’6” athlete with the face of a model isn’t attracted to you because “she simply isn’t really all that into you.” What does that even mean? Why is she not into the guy? You didn’t explore that at all. You just said it was incorrect and us…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 07:16 PM
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I painted with too broad a set of strokes, so I’ll accept this criticism for my assertions. Let me be hyper specific: the women I run into in my day to day life (at work, my friends, etc) and the women I date tend to exhibit these traits I mentioned. I live in a major metropolitan city that’s very liberal. And I am liberal, too. I think too many men are sex pests, treat women like shit, use their bodies as fleshlights, harass them, and come across as entitled to their attention and or bodies. So…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 07:04 PM
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I think a lot of modern adult women love to reject old double standards and outdated ideals that disadvantage them, cherry pick new ideals that would benefit them and fight for them, while happily accepting the old double standards that continue to benefit them. I’m a modern, independent woman who doesn’t need a man, but a man needs to approach me 100% of the time and pay for all the dates. I’m a strong, powerful woman who deserves to have a seat at the Fortune 500 board room table, but I don’t …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 05:57 PM
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I’ve seen a couple relationship advice posts where basically a man finds out that the love of his life is actually alpha widowed. They’ve been happily married (or so he thought) for years. And then he overhears his wife drunkenly confiding to her BFF that she “loves husband but he just doesn’t do it for me the way Chad did in the past.” Soul crushing. All the “I love you” and happy moments they’ve had together suddenly are casted into doubt. I would go crazy if that ever happened to me, wonderin…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 05:50 PM
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Yes. It just shows they’re shitty people. My point is you can’t fight against Bad Thing that men do and then turn right around and do same Bad Thing against men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 05:36 PM
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This is a perfect example of how using analogies can cause people to talk past each other. I think OP’s example was not the best one, but I still understood his point. There’s no point in trying to compare the literal examples in the analogy. That’s not the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 05:34 PM
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For sure. And using her was not the best example because she’s a kid basically and Tate is a grown ass man. But my point still stands for older, more mature women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 05:31 PM
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It was effective in achieving her desired goals: to hurt his ego, get her clap back, and get online clout in the process. But if she ever starts fighting against body shaming against women, I would never take her seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 05:21 PM
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Modern / liberal feminists who use body shaming, sex shaming, etc insults against men are full of shit. Eg: even though I think Andrew Tate is a piece of shit, Greta Thunberg saying “small dick energy” against him erodes her cause. She stooped down to his level.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 05:05 PM
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I think the question basically boils down to: when you start attaining a certain level of something, does it become harder to accept something lesser? And the answer, most likely, is yes. If you used to earn $50k and thought that was your ceiling, but somehow got a $100k job, all of a sudden that $50k you used to be satisfied with becomes less compelling. So yes, it’s reasonable to assume that BOTH genders will have their expectations raised when they start fucking with “higher level” people. Us…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 05:02 PM
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Another poster pointed out I was wrong. The calculator does include only the selected age range in the denominator. And you’re right. I thought about it after and the denominator could arguably only include men of that specific race, or income, etc. I stand corrected.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 04:49 PM
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0.3% for me
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 04:06 PM
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I just found out I’m wrong. It actually does use your selected age range as the denominator. Wow.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 03:18 PM
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Oh wow, you’re right! Holy shit. I stand corrected.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 03:17 PM
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Is that true? Can you share how you know this to be true? I’m open to being wrong and would love to know if I’m actually wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 03:00 PM
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Correct. The amount of unfounded indignation this stupid calculator engenders in men is through the roof. It’s really dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 02:10 PM
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Y’all, I wrote a post about this. THE CALCULATOR IS FLAWED. The data inputs it is derived from are accurate. But the denominator the creator uses is WRONG. What this calculator does is tell you what percentage of ALL men in the US your parameters make him out to be. And the critical fucking flaw is that it compares against men of ALL ages. That’s not right. Women aren’t trying to date babies aged 0-18 or grandpas aged 50-80. So it’s not correct to include them in the math as potential suitors. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 01:51 PM
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I’m the same height and I prefer taller women but only up to 5’9” or so. Any taller and my brain starts seeing them in a more masculine light.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 09:44 PM
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Agreed. Her flair gives it away. She hates men but wants plausible deniability by saying “friendly” aka she won’t be outright malicious and mean about how she frames things, but still clearly harbors contempt for men at large. It’s actually scarier on a psychological level because it shows extreme calculation on her end. For the idiot men who are misogynists and end up saying females, it’s out of ignorance and being an inadvertent dumb fuck. So the fact that she’d weaponize that for herself and …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 05:37 PM
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The way she deliberately writes males for men and women for women makes me laugh.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 05:23 PM
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Yep, 100%. I have attachment issues and don’t like opening up and being vulnerable. So I like sex in that regard (even tho I’m relatively low libido) because it’s one of the “safer” ways to feel vulnerable and connected. But sex with a girl you’re bonded with emotionally >>>>>>>>>>> unemotional sex with a girl, no matter how hot she is. If I’m not into her on an emotional level, once I nut, I don’t really feel anything for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 03:42 PM
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Thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 02:59 PM
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She’s the one who got away, sexually. But I don’t miss her in a romantic sense and would not date her again even if I could unless it was strictly FWB
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 02:52 PM
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I never liked her as much as she liked me. The sex was amazing but beyond that I was never able to develop a deep emotional connection with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 02:51 PM
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Yeah, she had a high libido too. She was one of the few exes I’ve had who was DOWN for me. Like a complete simp for me. Would want to buy me dinners (even tho I made many many many multiples more than her), would send me chocolates and delivery cookies throughout the day, would cry after sex bc I was going to be moving to a new state for work (she wanted long distance; I didn’t). She was such a sweet girl. I broke up with her and never regretted it but damn I do still miss and think about all th…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 02:15 PM
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I don’t see an issue with what she wrote. It’s true that some men are complete animals overridden by their sex drive.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 02:11 PM
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I can validate this from the male experience. One of my exes was big into consensual non consent. Sort of like free use. I could just fuck her wherever, whenever. Even during sleep, unless she had a hair band on her nightstand. We had a safe word as well The first time I did it was in bed at 4 am. We had sex earlier so were sleeping naked anyway. I woke up horny again and just fucked her from behind and pushed her on her stomach and pounded her prone bone style with her face smothered in the pil…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 02:05 PM
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Can you elaborate? What was the gendered term he removed? Edit: oh wait nvm. Re read the op. He selectively discarded the group of plate spinning men. I forgot that was one of the identifying labels one could provide in this survey. Yeah in that case, this becomes more of a philosophical question: should these men count in this study? I think yes, when calculating averages. In short, we should keep all data. But we need to look at the means and the medians because they tell very different storie…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 08:52 PM
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She should determine whether she can afford to have the kid. If she can’t, she should abort. And because abortion is a scary, risky procedure, the man should financially contribute to offset the cost and emotional harm.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 06:48 PM
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But what you can’t do is ascribe malicious intent to his statistical analysis methodology when what he did was proper, standard procedure when it comes to statistical analysis. Removing extreme outliers is what you’re SUPPOSED to do. Your username implies you’re an engineer. Did you take any math or statistics classes in college? Asking for real. No snark. Do you know that this is the proper methodology?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 06:45 PM
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Same exact experience. When I’m dating a baddie, we fuck like rabbits. To start at least lol. And then it tapers off.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 05:40 PM
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I’m stopping here because I think you’re not able to grasp what I’m clearly articulating. That’s on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 04:45 PM
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This feels like belief rape. You’re putting beliefs I don’t have on me.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 04:34 PM
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Because the employer knew the employee could get hurt (pregnant) and knew they didn’t have the funds (not ready to be a father) to support the employee.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 04:27 PM
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Man wears a condom. Condom fails. Woman gets pregnant. Guy doesn’t want a kid. Guess that guy is a deadbeat too. Woman steals man’s sperm from discarded condom. Gets pregnant. Guy doesn’t want a kid. Guess that guy is a deadbeat too. Stop using reckless actual deadbeats. No one here is an actual deadbeat. You’re being unreasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 04:20 PM
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You keep screeching that men should go to pro life states as if that’s what we want. We unilaterally reject that because we don’t believe in pro life arguments. We believe in pro choice arguments for both.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 04:16 PM
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This is too reductive and devoid of any nuance.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 04:13 PM
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….. no unknown risks ie women KNOW they can get pregnant.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 04:12 PM
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Not raped. Raped would be if the employee stole a set of keys that were protected from theft to do something risky, got injured, and sued the employer. My analogy in the comment is for women finding out they’re pregnant, the man saying please let’s not have a kid because we can’t afford it, and the woman proceeding anyway and getting bailed out.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 04:10 PM
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Yes, we want abortions. For both men and women. What are you arguing?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 04:08 PM
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This is all in the context of an accidental pregnancy where contraceptives fail. And you’re adding loaded baggage by saying the man bails like he’s a degenerate sex pest deadbeat piece of shit. We’re talking about good people who got unlucky.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 04:06 PM
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To take it even further, the employee here can steal the keys to work a risky job, take it, get injured, and still make the employer pay.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 04:06 PM
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Women know sex makes babies and babies need to be paid for too.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 04:03 PM
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Man and woman have sex. Both don’t want kids. Woman gets pregnant. Man still doesn’t want it. Woman now does. Woman gets to make him become a father. Man has no choice. Give him a choice to opt out. Woman can then decide if she still wants said kid. She’s an adult.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 03:02 PM
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Ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 02:59 PM
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The pushback was that the places where abortion is banned are fucked up and that they shouldn’t be banned. And by moving there, we’re enabling a system we don’t agree with. You’re putting bad faith takes in our mouths that we explicitly and specifically do not want. I already caught you in a gotcha moment yesterday. I love catching you in another one.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 02:58 PM
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Did you really think I was trying to assert this is exactly how construction jobs work in reality in this analogy I wrote?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 02:55 PM
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You say nonsense like this as if we’re trying to go around cumming in women and bail. Wtf? Literally who said they want to do that? Every man who’s been responding to your troll bait has been for elevating both genders so both genders have equal rights and say. And the specific problems we’re trying to prevent are men getting raped, baby trapped, and forced into unwanted pregnancies. Eagerly awaiting the whataboutisms you’re gonna say next.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 02:53 PM
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Educate me please daddy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 02:50 PM
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You’re masking the prima facie error that the child exists and is born. No. We’re talking about what to do once both parties find out conception has occurred. Women choose to keep it or not. Men have no say in this, rightfully so. So they should have the choice to opt out of fatherhood. And the woman can decide if she still wants to proceed after that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 02:44 PM
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A construction company is about to hire a worker. The company tells the worker that there are risks to some of the jobs, but not all of them. The employee can choose which ones to take and they will get paid more for the riskier ones to offset said risk when both employer and employee agree the riskier jobs are suitable and needed/wanted from both parties. In addition, if the employee gets injured on those riskier jobs, the employer will compensate them because the government mandates such prote…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 02:42 PM
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You wrote “It proves how many men don't actually give a fuck about children when it has a chance of putting them at a disadvantage as the result of their own choices.” Key words: as a result of their own choices. Pregnancy is a result of your own choices: to have sex. The implication being you shouldn’t have had sex if you didn’t want a child. Of course you’re not going to agree with that talking point because that’s the talking point pro choice women get from pro life people. And yet here you a…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 02:26 PM
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I’m not making myself clear enough because this is very nuanced. I’m actually in agreement with you in specific circumstances. If a man and woman jointly agree to wanting a child and then the man says he doesn’t want to help support it while maintaining all parental privileges and rights? Fucking full of shit and that man should be dragged. If a man and woman jointly agree to not wanting a child, no issues to resolve. If a man wants a woman to have a child and she doesn’t, well tough luck to him…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 02:20 PM
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No, they don’t. Women biologically carry so they have unique risks men don’t. But we’re talking about the choice to maintain pregnancy and go on with birth. Women should choose. They choose first. Great. Then let men choose if they want to ride along for the journey. Especially for an unwanted child. All I want is equal choice. Both parties have different risks and costs. But that doesn’t mean both parties shouldn’t have equal choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 02:06 PM
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I actually don’t. But I’m just using pro life talking points on you because you use them on men. In other words, use better logic and arguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 01:53 PM
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Outliers are outliers and routinely discarded from analysis because they skew the mean results. One perhaps better way to look at n counts is to look at medians and not means. In fact that’s what I’d propose. Alternatively, discarding outliers multiple standard deviations outside the mean is proper. If you had two groups of 50 people each and we were trying to determine who to give more money to based on average income, but one group had a billionaire in it, we’d discard the billionaire because …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 01:44 PM
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Thanks for sharing. I just joined after reading the first post. It succinctly captures my sentiments as of late. I love it when feminists define feminism as equality for men and women yet only focus on equality for women. Just call it what it is instead of virtue signaling that they’re fighting for everyone. They’re not. I just want consistency. That is all.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 01:39 PM
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I’m still a liberal dude who is for abortion rights, social equality, etc. but I will never ever befriend or date radical feminists. I now equate rad fems with misandry. They repulse me to my core now. I have a female friend who became intensely political and radical in her feminist ideologies and I no longer hang out with her. It’s all virtue signaling to get more Twitter followers, TikTok followers, views, and “AMEN SISTA” comments so they can feel good about themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 01:33 PM
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You don’t give a fuck about children when you abort them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 01:30 PM
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You’re not wrong in bringing up the practicalities of how to enable this and the very real world outcomes. But can we put that aside for one second and examine the merits of the argument at hand? Do we fundamentally agree that from a moral, philosophical, and principled standpoint that the current setup is unilaterally disadvantaged for men? If so, we can then proceed to figure out how to enable this in practicality. You’re resisting this idea because of the practical aspects. That’s reasonable.…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 01:28 PM
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This comment thread shows a self proclaimed rad fem playing this out EXACTLY how I framed it above. You cannot make this shit up. I’m right there with you. It honestly makes me feel less supportive of their cause tbh. I don’t want it to but it’s so hard to take them seriously when there’s this huge empathy gap from people who are supposed to be in theory the most empathetic. Feminism is at its core about equality for the sexes. And these supposed rad fems are not for that in this circumstance. B…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 01:17 PM
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Dude didn’t make or say any of those value judgments you’re accusing him of. Pure projection on your part. I totally understand why you’re reacting the way you are because a lot of dumb ass dipshit men will interpret it the way you think they will. But on an individual level, nothing what OP did was improper from a statistical methodology perspective, nor did he imply or state any of the assertions you made.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 12:46 PM
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I think the surprising finding that taller men have lower n counts is simply due to self selection bias. I’ll break this down linearly. From the male side, this sub is more likely to attract men who struggle with dating and sex Taller men are much rarer relatively Ergo, the few tall men who are here are likely to skew the results disproportionately because it will be very noisy and sensitive due to the small sample of tall men
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 12:44 PM
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I mean, you’re not wrong. But you’re not wrong for the wrong reasons. I want both sexes to have the same privileges. Not both sexes to not have the same privileges.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 12:17 PM
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Conservative pro lifer to pro choice women: keep your legs closed if you don’t want to deal with the consequences of sex. Pro choice women: no 2 second later. Pro choice women to pro choice men who also want paper abortions as an option: keep your dick in your pants if you don’t want to deal with the consequences of sex. MAKE IT MAKE SENSE (without regurgitating how it’s because women are the ones who have to go through pregnancy and birth; this is about PRINCIPLES).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 12:11 PM
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You sound like a pro lifer. checks flair The f?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 12:06 PM
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No. She’s morbidly obese.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 12:05 PM
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It isn’t fair. Roe v wade getting overturned is fucked up. However, some women still have some latitude here in that each state can decide. No where in the US does a single man have an exit path away from fatherhood like a woman (who lives in an abortion state) does, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 12:03 PM
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Which is disturbing. That’s maladjusted behavior. “Hurt people looking to hurt someone else” is not benign.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 12:00 PM
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It blows my mind when pro choice women use the “keep your dick in your pants” line against men. They’ll fight against pro-life people who use that same line to women who say pregnancy is just a consequence of your actions (sex), so if you don’t want to deal with it, keep your legs closed. And then 2 seconds later turn around and use that same line against men. Makes me shake my head so hard. Jfc.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 11:57 AM
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Yeah even here I so so many men who say shit that make me face palm. So it’s not unique to one gender only.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 11:53 AM
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I’m not even really thinking about you in this case. It’s the ones who hate the entire gender. People who proudly proclaim to be misogynists or misandrists in their flair. People who refer to their own gender as men/women and intentionally refer to the other as male/female almost as if to intentionally dehumanize them. I’d be so curious to meet them IRL to see what they’re like. Are they actually well adjusted “normal” people on the surface who harbor these views secretly, internally? Or are the…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 11:52 AM
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That’s fair. I do the same with this throwaway. But even then with those people using alt accounts, they’re still so full of hate. It’s disturbing, man. It’s the online version of “give a person a mask to see who they truly are.”
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 04:52 AM
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Red pill men and feminist women whose entire Reddit handles are dedicated to bashing the other sex (eg exclusively posting on TwoX to complain about men only) are highly disturbing IMO. It’s like they’re SO frustrated and annoyed with the other sex that it consumes their entire online persona. That can’t be healthy. It can’t be healthy to be so hateful and spend so much time spewing hate. It’s like a breeding ground for extremist views. Makes you wonder what personal experiences they’ve had to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 04:44 AM
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There’s no hidden agenda, truly. I simply find it really interesting when women of different views clash online because in my experience, women tend not to criticize each other so overtly and explicitly (as admitted to me to by a small sample size of hyper progressive, liberal feminist female friends I have, which they consider a toxic feminine trait). My hunch is you feel a mixture of frustration and mild disgust with a tinge of thinking they’re mildly pathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 04:40 AM
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No it doesn’t. Curious why you’d prefer not to answer though?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 04:35 AM
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Do you look down on them with disgust, frustration, sadness, pity, something else? Combos of the aforementioned descriptors?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 04:31 AM
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Jesus. How did she bring race into it? One of her worst lines here was after we described her as being mad. And she says “what am I mad about? Paper abortion? How can I be mad about something that doesn’t exist” …….. We’re here arguing to establish paper abortions. Because they doesn’t exist. No duh. So why would she think we would think she’s mad about something that doesn’t exist? That’s how you know her brain is not firing any logical cylinders and is powered by an unsophisticated steam engin…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 04:26 AM
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Is there no objective masculinity, too?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 04:12 AM
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Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I’d love to explore this further if you’re game. I can see where you’re coming from. I don’t think though that he was being intentionally malicious with his insults. I don’t think he even meant them as insults. So, I almost see it potentially as unintentional ignorance that is woven with latent, internalized sexism. If you accept that premise, do you see his comment as more problematic vs if he were intentionally trying to insult women? And then for the women th…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 03:24 AM
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Interesting how you interpreted this in this way and other women appreciated it. How do you view the women who appreciate this perspective? Do you look down on them?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 01:19 AM
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Mine is somewhat low. It benefits me because I’m not thirsty and lowering my standards to get a nut. It’s benefitted me in that all the women I’ve dated and fucked have been attractive, objectively. I can also go months without dating and sex and not really care.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 01:13 AM
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Which is why I don’t date them or seek them out.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 04:10 PM
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TRT is a double edged sword. Once you go on it you need to stay on it for life. Lifetime injections. No thanks ( for me).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 03:52 PM
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Fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 03:38 PM
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I genuinely don’t know how I would feel about a child that was conceived from my sperm but with the egg of a woman who committed a crime against me. I’d hate her so much for it. Would I be able to look past that and still love the child? I truly don’t know. Sort of like a woman who becomes pregnant from rape. Could she easily still learn to love it?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 03:37 PM
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I agree that the manosphere doesn’t claim it’s easy. They say you have to be an elite man. And they acknowledge it’s hard. But where I take issue is with the posts here from men who post revenge porn fantasies of dunking on these women when it’s likely they’re never going to become that elite, older man. They make it seem like it’s so easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 03:33 PM
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Wow. While I applaud you for your generous empathy, you’re quite literally rewarding that baby trapping woman for committing a crime.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 03:30 PM
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Agreed. My dating app inbound likes are 80% from women 30+ because to them, I am the catch they so desperately want: 34, high income, tall, fit, handsome, full head of hair, single, no kids, never married etc. Problem is I don’t really want them. I want the younger women. Because I can get them. As I get older I’ll lose this leverage.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 03:28 PM
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What im getting at is that it’s not that easy to be that appealing 35+ year old dude. And it’s actually much harder for the older guy because he has to still look good for his age and make way more money to compensate for it all. A better analogy is that a 20 year old will likely want to date a 24 year old who makes $75k and is 6 ft and handsome vs a 38 year old who makes 150k and is 6 ft and handsome. The vacuum scenario was to establish the relationship between the variables.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 03:25 PM
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That is true. I am that guy and am living that life. But an equivalent guy to me who is closer to her age will likely be more appealing to her. Is that younger guy more common? Probably not because I’ll run laps around him with income because I have more work experience. But if he does exist in her life, I don’t stand a chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 02:58 PM
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Yeah, it’s just pure delusion to self soothe. It’s human nature. Women do it too when they tell themselves they’re more physically attractive when they’re 30+. We all know the uncomfortable truths about life and in an effort to avoid the discomfort of accepting them, we cherry pick data to believe a false narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 02:49 PM
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She’s super pressed rn lol. She came back this morning to reply to my comments and continues to flounder in a sea of cognitive dissonance and illogical, emotional viewpoints. Feels good to see how I can press her emotions with logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 02:45 PM
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Yep, I agree. Bodily autonomy matters. And I am staunchly pro choice. So women should have the exit path option to abort a baby they don’t want. Similarly, men should have the exit path option to financially abort a baby they don’t want to support.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 02:44 PM
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I believe you about the witch hunting part. I believe that you’ve seen more men espousing looks etc. Can you answer my last question in my previous comment? You don’t think other, average non-PPD men also care about looks?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 02:28 PM
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I also don’t understand why manosphere men are SO CONVINCED that women in their 20s are physically and viscerally MORE attracted to men who are 35+. Have y’all not seen the average man who’s 35+ compared to a young 20 something? The man looks way fucking older. Because HE IS. Young women are more PHYSICALLY attracted to men around their age or up to 5 years older, on average. If you presented 25 yo women two men who are identical in height, income, personality, confidence, charisma, and relative…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 02:26 PM
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Ok, so men should entirely abstain from sex to prevent getting baby trapped? Should women be told to hide in their houses to avoid getting sexually assaulted and/or raped? Sounds like victim blaming to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 02:19 PM
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Imagine you have a son. He’s decently successful and has a good head on his shoulders. He has aspirations of starting a business and is working hard towards that. Unfortunately, he gets baby trapped because a random casual encounter stole the condom they used and inseminated herself. She’s now suing him for paternity and 18 years of child support via 25% of his income. He no longer can afford to save any money towards his business because his income has been reduced by a quarter. He now has to e…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 02:15 PM
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I’m a 34 yo man who only dates women 25 and up (preferably 27 and up). Women younger than that are insufferable. Nothing to relate to. Are there exceptions? Sure. But I like the more mature women, more. I think younger women are more attractive, but that’s outweighed by the maturity and life stages gap. So it’s all about priorities. Men who want to date much younger just need to own that it’s because they prioritize looks above all else. And I respect that choice. But I’d be damned if I said tho…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 02:08 PM
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No. She decided to keep the baby after both parties consented to sex and she got pregnant. And the man had no control (and shouldn’t) on whether she can or can’t keep it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 02:01 PM
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Excellent response. Eagerly awaiting her to address the double standard you pointed out in your last paragraph. I bet she won’t. 🍿
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 01:54 PM
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And yes. I agree that once the baby exists in the world, the equation changes. But how did that baby come to exist? Because the woman and only the woman unilaterally decided to make it exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 01:40 PM
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Ok let me just ask you this: when you see other rad fems, progressive liberals, and egalitarian societies in Europe proposing and advocating for men to have the right to financially abort, what goes through your mind? Do you think they’re completely misguided? That they’re making a huge mistake? What is your reaction? I’m actually really really curious.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 01:34 PM
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For a smaller population like this subreddit, the sample size needed to make statistically significant inferences would actually be much much smaller smaller. By virtue of the fact that the population here is smaller compared to the total US population. Thus, wouldn’t it be easier to get a big enough sample size here? Because you need to sample fewer men? And in your personal life, you don’t think average men at large care about women’s looks? You think only men on this sub Reddit do? if God app…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 01:30 PM
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I’m not appealing to a dictionary to make my case for financial abortion. I’m appealing to a dictionary to make my case that I used the word semantics correctly in this brief exchange.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 01:16 PM
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Ok fine. I’ll give you that to stand on. Let’s take it a step further and continue using your belief that one shouldn’t make broad claims without facts and data. That’s just one guy in this sub reddit who said what he said. And then you went on to say “you guys” ie all the men in this sub Reddit. Based on one guy. Where is your study? Did you ask every man on this sub Reddit?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 01:11 PM
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Semantics again. I never said a baby is semantics. I never said it wasn’t a literal person Look up the definition of semantics and how it’s used colloquially in debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 01:09 PM
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You yesterday, quote: “I think people who make bold claims about 50% of the population and treating it as fact is a sign stupidity and pseudo-intellectualism.”
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 01:07 PM
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Men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 01:05 PM
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Men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 01:05 PM
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Your quote: “That you guys are immediately just looking at the looks part really proves my point.” “You guys” here presumably meaning men in general, or 50% of the population. Right?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 01:04 PM
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No. Part of the conditions of financial abortion are that you can not play a father’s role. You can never see the kids ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 01:03 PM
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This is one man. Now he speaks for all of us?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 12:59 PM
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This is one man. Now he speaks for all of us?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 12:59 PM
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Couple things. I’ve read the comment chain. You made a comment alluding to a belief you have that men only care about looks. Weren’t you and I yesterday just talking about how you don’t like to paint broad strokes about 50% of the population based on their genitalia without studies and objective data to indisputably prove said broad strokes? Yet you’re doing it here right now. You don’t have any studies claiming that men only care about looks. And on that note, let me do what you’re doing right …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 12:57 PM
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It blows my mind when radfems like you use pro life talking points for men and conveniently reject them for yourself. Rules for thee and none for me. Such blatant hypocrisy. I am staunchly pro choice for women. I want men to have their choice, too. Why is that so unfair in your eyes? There will never be an equivalent choice for men in that they can’t and shouldn’t force a woman to carry. So let’s compromise a bit and give me financial autonomy and the choice to opt out of being a father. He can’…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 12:41 PM
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True. So both parties consented to parenthood the moment they had sex? If so, why do women get the choice of keeping the child? Because bodily autonomy. I agree. That’s fair. We shouldn’t tell women what to do with their bodies. Give men a choice, too, with their financial autonomy. We shouldn’t tell men what to do with their wallets.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 12:32 PM
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You’re interpreting the data incorrectly. This doesn’t mean these women are dating older men. It means multiple women are dating the same man, presumably in her age bracket. This stat is more likely portraying hypergamy in action and the phenomenon that a woman would rather (unknowingly) share a top tier (in her eyes) guy with other women. Also it’s likely due to women overinflating how serious their “relationships” are. Young women are likely to report a situationship or casual sex or “seeing s…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 12:22 PM
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Semantics. The child exists in the first place only because the woman decided for both parties it should exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 11:59 AM
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Lol this didnt go unnoticed to me too when I first saw their channel.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 05:58 AM
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It honestly blows my mind how they say this seriously. Sometimes I think they’re gaslighting us.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 05:53 AM
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Exactly. Yet many liberal feminists abound (here) who still like to cling onto the antiquated notion that men are the providers of society.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 05:52 AM
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The Young Turks, a hyper progressive liberal news channel supporting financial/paper abortion for men. Some of the most egalitarian societies in the world are trying to introduce this right for men. And even the hyper progressive, female co host changed her mind. https://youtu.be/n-YXWKvZRUs Feminists in PPD: we don’t need men for anything… oh wait! except for their wallets when we decide for them that they will sponsor the children that only we get to decide to keep or not because when THEY had…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 05:36 AM
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Not even ironically. Unironically. And that’s the tragedy of the hypocrisy of these people. Pro choice women: if I want to become a mom and have this baby, you have to become the father and financially sponsor my decision. Ok fine. Pro life man (not me): if I want to become a father, you have to have our baby. No?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 05:32 AM
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Whenever a pro choice woman unironically drops this line to reject paper abortion and you call her out on it, she’ll divert and deflect. Case in point here. She says “we can talk about abortion blah blah” while ignoring the fact that we already are. And then she’ll disappear because she won’t admit she was wrong. All a bunch of 🤡
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 05:14 AM
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Abstinence? Sounds like you’re pro life too, right? Because that’s what pro life people tell women who want to get an abortion. Oh wait. Abstinence is only for men? Women can continue having sex and getting abortions if they don’t want the consequences of their actions?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 05:07 AM
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That is not the proposed solution. At least not from pro choice men like me. Rather it’s the logical equivalent pro choice women make against men fighting for paper abortion. So when you flip the logic on them, they mentally combust because they have no counter. She’ll happily tell men the pro life line of “you had sex, own the consequences” and reserve the pro choice line for herself. They’re all full of shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 05:03 AM
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Lol I’ve been arguing this person on this topic all day and once you use that specific line of reasoning on her, she just disappears because she has no logical counter to it. If you keep pressing her on it, she’ll get mad and call you names. She’s a pro choice woman who uses pro life arguments for men. 🤡
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 05:00 AM
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Why do you say this?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 03:09 AM
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Having high birth rates is not the same thing as having high unwanted births. What makes you say those births are unwanted? Why are you making the leap that high birth rates cause poverty? Lots of logical fallacies you’re making.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 01:54 AM
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That’s on the women then. If you told a reckless driver to stop driving recklessly because they’d be punished to death if caught next time, and the reckless driver continued driving recklessly and got caught and sentenced to death, that’s their fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 01:53 AM
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You’re making an incorrect prima facie assertion (and assumption) that a baby would be born. We’re not talking about a man’s ability to walk away from a child after it’s born. No, we’re talking about the ability of men to walk away from parenthood before it’s born. And ideally, before sex even happens. Yes, let men opt out of parenthood before sex and have him discuss it with his partner. And she can decide whether she wants to have sex with him still or not. And in fact, you or someone else eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 01:49 AM
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Like I keep saying, the fact that women bear the physical toll and risk of pregnancy and birth is irrelevant to whether men should have the right to financial abortion. The specific right we’re talking about is the right to becoming a parent. You’re arguing the right to bodily autonomy. They are linked, yes, in that the bodily function (pregnancy) enables the ability to become a parent. But the right to bodily autonomy =/= the right to choose to become a parent. Please stop conflating the two.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 01:44 AM
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I don’t understand why you’re describing what happens now under the current set of laws when I’m describing what I think will happen under a new set of laws. What currently happens is a good reference point to anchor against how it could change. But just simply stating what currently happens is… an incomplete argument. Feels like you’re just trying to say something to stir up moral outrage at men’s current behavior to negate the merits of how men’s behavior COULD change if we changed the rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 01:40 AM
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You’re arguing the wrong point. No one here is arguing against whether women should be able to abort. That’s your body and your choice. Similarly, men should have a choice, TOO, on whether they want to become parents. But because we cannot force women to bear children (not that I’m advocating for this), men should at a bare minimum be able to relinquish their parental rights, and thus, their financial obligations.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 01:33 AM
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For the record, my rationale to allow financial abortions isn’t so men can just go around impregnating women and not wear condoms with impunity. Not only is it fair and logical from a philosophical POV, it also eradicates baby trapping risk. Giving men this right would have less downside to women than they think because they’d seek out partners who agree to parenthood. And it gives men an exit path to not get fucked by malicious actors. And the net badness to society would be LOWER because there…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 01:30 AM
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No. I believe taxpayers will pay LESS because there would be fewer unwanted pregnancies. You really think if men could financially abort and women knew this, that women would still have sex at the same rate with the same men? NO. The incentives/laws changed, so behavior would change too. If we allowed murder, there’d be MORE murders. If we allowed financial abortion, there’d be LESS SEX with deadbeats and FEWER unwanted pregnancies.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 01:26 AM
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I’m convinced that modern women are so used to pointing out how they’re oppressed and society is unfair to them (and they’re right for the most part), that they CANNOT concede that men ALSO face double standards that are worth addressing, TOO. It’s quite literally “men are bad and deserve no more rights.” It’s like a Black Lives Matter advocate refusing to acknowledge that other races also face injustices. “No I have more and WORSE injustices, so yours DONT COUNT.”
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 01:21 AM
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There wouldn’t be an abortion to go through with if the woman decided not to sleep with a man who opted out from parental and financial liability. Everyone keeps claiming how this would increase unwanted children and taxes would have to go up. How could you say that with confidence when we’re proposing a change in laws. THUS, people’s behaviors would adjust and women would become much more discerning in who they sleep with. Newsflash: when you chance the incentive system and incentives, PEOPLES …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 01:08 AM
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Tbh as cruel as it sounds, who gets pregnant is a red herring. We’re talking about the autonomy to decide if you want to become a parent. If men gave birth, it’d be the same argument. If both men and women created a combined body to give birth, it’d be the same argument. Both parties should have equal say in whether they become parents. HOW they become parents is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 01:04 AM
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I’ve been going back and forth on this with a woman on my original thread about this. Once I brought up this point she broke down into hysterics and accused me of weird claims, said I was gaslighting her, called me a deadbeat dad enabler, etc. Once you show these hypocrites this logic, their brains self-destruct and they resort to ad hominems instead of debating the logic at hand. They just don’t ever want to be wrong. Ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 12:04 AM
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[If] women’s partial responsibility for pregnancy does not obligate them to support a fetus, then men’s partial responsibility for pregnancy does not obligate them to support a resulting child. — Elizabeth Brake in the Journal of Applied Philosophy, 2005
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 11:56 PM
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The only way this can work is if men can opt out of parental and financial obligations BEFORE two people decide to have sex. Then the woman can decide if she still wants to have sex with him or not. Separately, this thread is and will be filled with women and men who say: “Men consent to parenthood the moment they have sex. They should keep their dicks in their pants if they don’t want to have kids and be responsible for them. ” But if you flip that logic and use it against women who want to abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 08:28 PM
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I agree that the younger generation is starting to like more feminine men. Timothee chalamet is the perfect example. Millennials and older probably still have a preference for more masculine men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 06:17 PM
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Looool. Is he physically attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 03:57 PM
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Agree with all of this and this has been my experience as well. As arrogant as it is, I know I’m a catch to a lot of women (looks, finances, social skills, etc). A lot of the attractive women who really like me tend to want to show me off to their friends fairly quickly in the early stages of dating. Things like inviting me to weddings as their +1 even though we’ve only been on 3-5 dates, inviting me on trips, etc. I always smirk when that happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 03:35 PM
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This I imagine is the most common POV for women I think are above average in attractiveness who know they’re attractive. Social proof comes into play where like you said, a man surrounded by hot women will beget more hot women. For men it’s the opposite: seeing a hot woman surrounded by men would be a turn off. Thus, the most intoxicating woman to a man is a gorgeous woman who is modest and not attention seeking. I was on a date with a pretty girl the other weekend and I asked her how she would …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 03:19 PM
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You just moved the goal posts. We’re not talking about what we should do after outlawing abortion and the subsequent consequences of more, unwanted births. I’m not even advocating for outlawing abortion… This is simply an analogy to point out the logical inconsistency in feminist women arguing against financial abortion while using the same reasoning pro life people make against actual abortion. If you are actually pro life, then this hypocrisy doesn’t fall on you. This is only targeted to pro c…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 10:32 AM
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You’re making an invalid comparison. The risk we’re talking about here is solely the risk of getting pregnant. Ofc the abortion procedure itself is way riskier in terms of health complications vs signing a piece of paper. But again that’s not the risk at hand here. And rape isn’t the topic at hand either. My point is simple. Women cannot use the line of reasoning against men that if men didn’t want to become fathers, then they shouldn’t have had sex. Because that is quite literally the same argu…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 09:53 AM
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Cool to see this topic be debated near identically six years ago lol. The two options for women are: abstain from sex and get an abortion. The one option for men is abstain from sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 04:34 AM
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There’s a reason no matriarchy has stood the test of time to become the dominant power structure worldwide: men have bigger guns (biceps).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 04:27 AM
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Interesting. Just read the Wikipedia article for this. I wonder if it applies to physical aspects too.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 04:15 AM
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Is this true? Never heard of this phenomenon.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 04:09 AM
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That’s what I meant by physically capable: the same strength, same dexterity, same hand eye coordination, same proclivity to violence if deemed “necessary”
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 04:08 AM
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50/50 representation in all aspects of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 04:05 AM
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Are you referring to the male tendency for violence?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 04:04 AM
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CMV: the reason we live in a patriarchy and why men will always “rule” in one way, shape, or another is simply because we’re physically stronger. If women were as physically capable as us, we’d live in an egalitarian society.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 03:59 AM
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Fair and balanced take. I agree with you. It’s not a gender thing. It’s a human thing. Humans are inherently selfish and seek to optimize for what’s best for them. So as long as you agree women are just as self serving as men, I have no qualms. But I will eternally roll my eyes at a self righteous and indignant feminist who proclaims she wants equality EVERYWHERE.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 03:52 AM
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Not only that, but he’s financially liable for the kid too.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 03:47 AM
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Q4W: if the patriarchy is inherently bad because it oppresses women, would a matriarchy be inherently bad too because it would oppress men?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 03:45 AM
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Your take is too broad in terms of the demographic in question. My take narrows down a subset of women: feminists. What’s the analogous group in your example for men? Is it just modern men?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 03:40 AM
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Yep. They couldn’t give two fewer shits about minority women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 03:35 AM
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CMV: modern feminists only complain about inequality and lack of representation in the glamorous domains that they compete against men with. They want a seat at the table in the Fortune 500 board rooms. But they couldn’t give fuck all about having a seat in the bed of a garbage truck.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 03:20 AM
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Feminists who argue against men’s right to financial abortion are simultaneously arguing against their right to actual abortion. You can’t make this shit up. Gotta love the double standards and cherry picking the ones that benefit them and rejecting the ones that don’t. Rules for thee but none for me. Just like the republicans and conservatives they hate.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 03:16 AM
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Ah I misunderstood. I don’t think the state should be responsible actually. Kill that social safety net. If women want to have a baby while knowing her partner is no longer financially responsible for it, it’s up to her to figure out how to make it work.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 03:10 AM
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Not what I’m arguing. This seems like an irrelevant point.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 03:06 AM
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I’ve been debating this topic all day and I love your response the most. No snark. Your suggestion is fucking brilliant and I’m all for it. Let men sign away their rights before sex. Problem solved. Truly simple and effective. I love it. I wish I thought of this sooner vs trying to figure out all the other edge cases of post-sex financial abortion.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 03:05 AM
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Feminists: the only way for men to relinquish their financial responsibilities for an unwanted child is to not have sex to begin with. When you have sex, you accept the risks and associated responsibilities of a potential pregnancy. Keep your dick in your pants. Men: ok fine. Abortion should be illegal too then, using that same logic. When you have sex, you accept the risks and associated responsibilities of a potential pregnancy. Keep your legs closed. Feminists: &$¥£#]~€{*~€,!{,!~£!!!!!!!!!!!!…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 02:55 AM
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You’re a dude lol. I somewhat can respect the hustle and intent behind your actions but this is just funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 02:49 AM
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The woman gets to abandon her child under safe haven laws or give it up for adoption after birth. No matter what the woman wants, she’s in full control. And men have zero rights. It’s ludicrous that we’re having this debate tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 02:16 AM
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Women today already have the right to relinquish parental responsibility after birth via adoption and safe haven laws.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 01:53 AM
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In your scenario does the woman still have a right to abort?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 01:12 AM
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You’re right she does have more contraceptive methods but she has two distinct choices in terms of avoiding sex or aborting. Men can only avoid sex. Both can use contraceptives.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 01:00 AM
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If two parties decide to enter a sexual relationship, yes. Paternity testing should be split equally between both parties. Or if entering a contract is too onerous, there can be a law that stipulates a woman should make reasonable efforts to determine pregnancy status after engaging in sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 12:45 AM
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On second thought we should normalize drafting contracts between parties before marriage to discuss these scenarios and what each party wants to do so there are clear outcomes to expect for a given scenario. So each couple can choose in this case.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 12:44 AM
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Yes, that’s a very reasonable requirement. If you’re married or common law married, any child conceived during said relationship is by definition the financial responsibility of both parents with zero ability for the man to opt out.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 12:22 AM
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Probably some number tied to the federal minimum wage multiplied by the average number of working hours missed due to pregnancy and recovery.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 12:17 AM
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Conservative women tend to not have risky, casual sex to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 12:15 AM
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Really good point. When a man and woman have sex, they should enter an explicit contract to have her get a pregnancy (and if pregnant, a paternity) test within a 1-3 months. Re: abortion costs, if the man wants to keep the child and she doesn’t, she gets nothing. If they both want to abort, then he should cover 75% of the cost and procedure.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 12:15 AM
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There should be a universal minimum and then a limitless maximum depending on the woman’s and man’s financial circumstances. Can you imagine how much more seriously both parties would take sex? Sex is quite literally the most consequential act we can partake in as Homo sapiens. We should take it more seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 12:00 AM
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One potential solution is to compensate the woman for her suffering for birthing the child as a one time payment. But no 18 years of child support from the man if he doesn’t want her to have the child to begin with. And since the burden of pregnancy is so great, women would exercise more restraint when it comes to casual sex. So we’d have fewer unwanted pregnancies too.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 11:55 PM
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Giving men the option to financially abort and forfeit their rights to parenthood once the woman a) becomes aware of her pregnancy and b) decides that she wants to keep the child. If she still wants to keep the kid knowing she’ll get no help, that’s on her to figure it out. No government bailouts either. After all, women are beginning to out earn men and become more economically self sufficient. They should actually want this IMO. It’s a move towards greater independence. I think society would b…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 11:49 PM
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Those dipshit men would cease to get sex because with women knowing how much more is at stake with pregnancy (since the men can’t be forced to pay child support), they’d become super selective in who they have sex with: trusted men. Or, we’d all become much better at practicing safe sex. No more pulling out. No more stealthing. More research into safer and less annoying birth control methods for both sexes, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 11:44 PM
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There is such a clear (to me) double standard and inequity between both sexes when it comes to the right to parenthood (in women’s favor) that I’m aghast at how supposedly liberal, feminist women don’t see it. I acknowledge that women have the additional, heavy burden of carrying and birthing the child. But she gets two chances to avoid parenthood whereas men only get one. And truthfully I think the burden of having to birth the child is a red herring. The core issue at hand is whether both part…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 11:38 PM
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I agree that we shouldn’t tell women what to do with their bodies. Similarly don’t tell me what to do with my money. If I don’t think I can afford raising a child with a woman but the woman wants one anyway, I effectively enter indentured servitude. And if I don’t have decent options for income, I’m fucked and all parties are fucked.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 09:32 PM
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Yes, I’d be all for that. Someone mentioned a good idea - have a organ donor like designation on your drivers license except for whether you want to have kids or not. We need to raise the fucking bar for fucking. Women would be a lot pickier and safer and not get played. Fewer unwanted pregnancies. And men would have to step the fuck up and be better.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 07:33 PM
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Yet it’s okay to give women more leeway and options to absolve their decision making accountability simply because they face the biological burden of having to carry the baby? Is that what it simply boils down to for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 06:45 PM
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So in your example of the man raping a religious woman, what would you propose happen? I concede it’s an extreme example, but if the “right thing to do” is clear in this topic at large, why can’t we discuss how the various situations should be handled?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 06:39 PM
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Actually on second thought, the equivalent example of male on female rape is just the opposite: female on male rape. My example of people taking precautions and getting unlucky is more in the middle. I’m still strong in my conviction as a result that men unfairly have less control here and it needs to be addressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 06:35 PM
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I think the two extreme examples make it clear what’s fair to all parties involved in either extreme. What makes it hard is that obviously the vast majority of the cases fall in the middle. So how do we balance that, if at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 06:32 PM
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Fine. The woman also made a choice to potentially become a parent by having sex. So if she changes her mind and doesn’t want to have a kid, the man should be able to enforce her having the kid because she had sex with him and tacitly agreed to having a kid.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 06:10 PM
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So then in my extreme example too, you acknowledge the man should be able to financially forfeit, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 06:08 PM
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No, if a man rapes a woman and impregnates her and she has to carry the child for whatever reasons, he must be be held liable financially for it (on top of legally for committing a horrible crime).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 04:40 PM
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So then she made her choice too by having sex with him. So if she gets pregnant, he should have a say in whether the baby ends up being born. No?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 04:18 PM
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Yes I prefer mid to late twenties women for a serious LTR. I don’t even consider early 20s women for serious LTRs. It won’t be compatible.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 03:50 PM
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He can’t change his mind later. Once he accepts the responsibilities of being a father, from there on out he should be held liable and it should be enforced via wage garnishment if he fails to voluntarily uphold his duties.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 03:00 PM
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He has the right to walk away once the woman finds out she’s pregnant and notifies the man that she intends to keep it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 02:57 PM
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Yes. The woman should ask the man if he wants to raise the child with her. He should have the right to say yes or no. Then she should make the choice to keep the baby or not. It’s that simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 02:42 PM
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Right and I agree with you. It’s her body, her choice. Now that she’s made her choice, the man should have a choice too whether he has to be responsible for her choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 02:35 PM
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Yeah I admitted I was wrong. Nbd.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 02:33 PM
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Thanks for letting me win the debate. Have a good day.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 02:30 PM
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Your pov comes from a position of privilege where women are more freely able to engage in sex without repercussions because they always have a safety net. I only have financial obligations because you forced them upon me. Why can you force me to pay for a child I don’t want when you can choose to walk away from the child if you want? You have more rights and choices than I do, plain and simple. And that’s not fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 02:27 PM
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Why should the government be responsible for my personal choices? The government providing guaranteed child support is akin to the government providing federally guaranteed student loans. It incentivizes bad choices because now people go to college to get useless degrees that are extraordinarily expensive because people cannot default on their student loans. Make people accountable for their personal decisions. If a woman wants to have a child in this day and age, she should be ready to be able …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 02:21 PM
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Agreed on the parental responsibilities part. That obviously cannot be enforced legally in a reasonable manner. But I disagree on the financial responsibility. If we have sex and you don’t want to have the kid, I can’t force you to. So you can’t force me to pay for the kid either if you choose to have it. Why can women have unilateral decision making here? Both parties need to have a say.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 02:07 PM
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You raise valid points. The whole system needs to be overhauled. No more state sponsored childcare. It’s all up to you as individuals. The social safety net incentivizes bad decisions. Let both parties sign a contract and decide if they want to be parents or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 02:04 PM
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Great. Men should have the right to walk away from parenthood too. Just like I can’t force you to become a mom to a child I created with you, you can’t force me to become a dad to a child I created with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 02:03 PM
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Exactly. And I’m saying it should be.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:58 PM
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Same for women. If you don’t want to worry about unwanted pregnancy, get a hysterectomy. Problem solved.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:58 PM
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So since both parties choose to become parents when they have unprotected sex, if the woman changes her mind and doesn’t want the kid, can the man force her to have it? After all, she agreed to it when they had sex right?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:57 PM
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Yes I agree lots of men engage in risky sex. And so do women. Both parties are equally liable for an unwanted pregnancy. This is what I propose and it’s simple: Let both parties decide if they want to be parents. There are no other conditions to be met. It’s two people deciding. If both decide they want the kid, great, both are now liable. If the woman wants the kid but the man doesn’t, he should be able to walk away. And she should then decide if she should still have a kid. And this is where I…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:55 PM
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Cool, idc if you don’t believe me or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:48 PM
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Same goes for the woman. Don’t have sex if you don’t want to have a kid.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:44 PM
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Oh I see. Ok I fucked up there for real. Point taken. Carry on.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:44 PM
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And this is why I’m proposing the system should change because women have more rights here than men. And it incentivizes women to make suboptimal decisions by having babies with the assumption she’ll have financial support, either from the government or the man. Strip away both of those support systems and there’d be fewer unwanted babies.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:42 PM
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Sure. But their right to choose to be a parent or not is threatened. Bodily autonomy and right to parenthood are two separate things. If you stole my sperm and impregnated yourself, I should not be responsible for the parental and financial obligations of being that kids father.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:40 PM
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In your example you’re the match that chose to set the gasoline on fire. You’re just as liable as the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:38 PM
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And so do the women in real life. They had the means to prevent pregnancy and chose not to.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:37 PM
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My views are simple. Both parents should have the right to accept or reject parenthood. If a woman becomes pregnant, both parties need to discuss their options and proceed from there. If the terms don’t work, they should both have options to walk away without impediment to their own personal lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:36 PM
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If you’ve accepted the responsibility of parenthood as a father, then yes, you should be held liable for being a deadbeat dad after the fact and have your wages garnished.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:33 PM
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My argument is simple. Both parties should have the right to parenthood. The man can’t force a woman to have a child. And ergo a woman can’t force a man to be the parent if he doesn’t want to be one.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:32 PM
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And they both did. But the woman changed her mind. Now the man has to bear the consequences of her decision?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:30 PM
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Your analogy doesn’t work at all because it doesn’t include the man trying to prevent the fire from happening but having to suffer it because the woman decided to light the house on fire anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:29 PM
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And so do women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:24 PM
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To all the hysterical people complaining about dead beat dads, you know how we could solve that problem? By letting women choose to have a baby or not. Her deadbeat partner doesn’t want to have the kid? Cool. She should decide if she can raise it by herself. If she doesn’t think she can’t? Cool. Get an abortion.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:22 PM
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Jesus you edited your comment to add more vitriol and accuse me of being trash and ugly and average. The arguments of someone who has no points to make. Also, I’m 6’2”, attractive, and have a 7 figure net worth. Nice try.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:17 PM
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Cool. I missed a hyphen. OMG.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:15 PM
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Because I believe both parties should have a right to choose to be a parent or not. Woman wants a child and man doesn’t? Cool. He can walk away and she can then decide if she’s equipped to raise a child. If she doesn’t think so, then she should be able to get an abortion.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:14 PM
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You thought you ate.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:12 PM
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No, because she made her decision when she decided to have the child.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:10 PM
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Literally added zero rationale behind your ad homs. Lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:09 PM
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Being aborted and killed isn’t fair to the kid either. So women shouldn’t have the right to choose?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:06 PM
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Society shouldn’t bear the burden of the child either imo. If the woman still decides to keep the baby and knows the man nor the government will provide support, it is on her to find the means to support it. Otherwise she can decide to simply abort the baby if she doesn’t think she can reasonably raise it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:05 PM
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Lol literally every comment is attacking the odds because the principle itself cannot be argued against. It’s damn near improbable to get murdered. Therefore we should all strip our rights to live and not be killed. That’s what you’re saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:01 PM
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You’ve added literally nothing substantive to the debate except unproductive, mild hysteria.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:00 PM
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It’s bodily autonomy and the right to parenthood. I can’t force you to keep a child just because I want to be a father. Because you should absolutely have bodily autonomy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 12:59 PM
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Another comment attacking the odds vs the principle. Since I used an extreme situation, can you show me an equally extreme situation on the other end that dispels my example? Let’s say the same couple in my example has the roles reversed where she gets pregnant and doesn’t want to keep the baby. But the man does. Can he make her keep the baby? NO. And he shouldn’t be able to.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 12:58 PM
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Yes, thank you. I don’t understand how this cannot be any clearer to a reasonable person. Edit: I also edited my OP to say the man even gets a vasectomy to make it even clearer that he did everything responsible that he could.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 12:47 PM
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Lol you cannot make this up. The literal first comment is doing what I asked not to do. The extreme example is not the point. The extreme example is to PAINT IN CRYSTAL CLEAR TERMS how the current laws are not fair at all for men. I think every man should have this right. If women should have the right to accept or reject parenthood, so too should men. IT’S ABOUT PRINCIPLES. Otherwise what you’re doing is no different than someone saying we shouldn’t have laws against murder because on a percent…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 12:43 PM
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Making six figures isn’t enough. And to be more specific, it’s no longer incredibly impressive to make $150k or whatever esp if you live in a major city and are surrounded by professionals who make that (think LA, NYC, DC etc). I think you need to make around $400k min now for people to start thinking ok yeah this guy makes decent money. And even then, most women won’t really know you’re making that kind of money unless you tell them, which is douchey and a turn off. When people say money attrac…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 04:26 AM
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I’m 6’2” and decided I won’t marry a short chick. Bedsides I find taller chicks more attractive anyway. I like when they’re around 5’6” to 5’8”. Makes everything easier, physically, too. This video cracked me up though. Men who are 5’9” to 5’11” really do need to stop lying and saying they’re 6’, esp the guys who are 5’9 and 5’10.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 03:33 AM
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I don’t know. I’d love to find out via some survey data that can speak to broad population level trends.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:14 AM
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Yep you’re right. I was being hyperbolic. What I meant is that chads are the ones getting most of what they want compared to everyone else from both genders. And I guess attractive women are winning large too due to the advent of simp culture and only fans.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:07 AM
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I’m commenting on how generally speaking most people seem to be unhappy with the state of dating. And it’s because we’re all a collection of unique individuals trying to do what we want and what we believe is best for us. Yet it somehow isn’t working and a lot more people seem dissatisfied with their outcomes. I’m now less concerned about the why. It doesn’t really matter. Believing that does not mean relationships (the right ones) and reproduction (between people who want it) are not yielding p…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:03 AM
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And then I changed my mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 12:31 AM
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Lol trust me you don’t need to tell me that white women (and men) age horribly compared to the other races. I looked it up and it’s rooted in biology too: where people produce the least amount of collagen in their skins. So they’re way more susceptible to the effects of visible aging.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 12:28 AM
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Not at all my point. Kinda disappointed how reductive you were.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 12:24 AM
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The more I spend time here the more I realize there is no absolute right or wrong. No right or wrong blue pill or red pill. Whatever gender dynamics we have today is the result of both genders trying to hyper optimize for what they want in their dating and mating strategies. And in the process, we’re all fucking ourselves over in a race to the bottom. Trying to blame one gender or the other is pointless. Humans suck at optimizing for our collective happiness. I’ve changed my mind. I should chang…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 12:04 AM
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Fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 12:00 AM
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This is an interesting angle. Should women be held to a higher standard given they’re the more vulnerable sex, esp when in the presence of a Chad?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 11:59 PM
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Fair and balanced take. In other words, take accountability and own the consequences of your actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 11:55 PM
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This gets to the heart of what I’m trying to explore. If a woman experiences a string of being led on by men for sex and is unhappy with how men behave, I think she tends to direct her frustrations towards men. She won’t bemoan how things came to be (ie that these men do this because they can and have learned that they can because other women will easily sleep with them). I really don’t know who’s to blame or who should be blamed now that I think about it. When guys bemoan lack of sex or access …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 11:53 PM
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I see where this is going. It quickly becomes a circular argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 11:48 PM
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I don’t think the men partaking in hookup culture are complaining at all. They’re having a field day.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 11:44 PM
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I think for the average man it is given that men tend to prefer having a variety of sexual partners if they could.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 11:41 PM
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Having casual sex outside the confines of a committed / exclusive relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 11:36 PM
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Yeah, I agree that sexlessness will continue to rise and more men are going to turn to AR and sex toys. I predict this will become mainstream in about 10-15 years when AR products become more advanced and cheap enough for mass adoption. I think Japan is a pretty good forecast for what will happen to the US. We’re all increasingly spending time online. Gen z has huge spikes in mood disorders and social anxiety. It’s already happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 11:34 PM
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Yeah I’m aware of those. I’m on the league too and was one of the first to use it when it launched in 2015 or so. It’s mostly a waste of time for me too. Don’t pay for it though. I’m surprised it still exists given how little it’s done to add features or improve the experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 11:24 PM
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Do the women here agree that hookup culture is enabled by women first and men second? The premise being that women control access to sex. Even tho men obviously play an active role in it, women are the ones who allow it in the first place. Yay or nay? I wonder if there are any groups of women who blame other women for being too easy and ruining it for the rest of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 11:21 PM
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Wasn’t me. I just tried googling this and there doesn’t seem to be a breakout of gender ratios within the US only for the top apps. I’m most curious about Hinge as that’s my go-to.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 11:07 PM
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I recall a study showing that men tend to inflate their looks more than women. This kind of flies in the face of what I see publicly though where many younger women say they’re 10s bc confidence, but I’ll need to dig it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 10:58 PM
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I don’t think most women on dating apps are seeking casual sex. I’d say most men are though.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 10:54 PM
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I’ll give you that: don’t fucking lie about your height. It’s a 100% losing strategy. My point was separate to that though which is that a lot of shorter women like yourself (not saying you specifically though) have what I think is an unreasonable standard of wanting WAY taller men. If a woman who is 5’10” wants a 6 ft plus man, I understand why. What I don’t understand is why a lot of short women also have that same height requirement. I for one at 6’2” have started becoming less attracted to s…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 10:52 PM
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For all the theory I spout here with made up numbers, in my actual dating life, I don’t fixate on body count at all. I just evaluate each woman on a case by case basis what her character traits are, her values, morals, etc. I’ve never asked a woman I’ve dated what her body count is.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 10:49 PM
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Fair point. I wish I could create an exclusive, high end dating app that gatekeeps out low quality men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 10:38 PM
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Food for thought: we know dating apps are around 70% men and 30% women. If the populations were 50/50, how much less picky would women be? There’s the common saying that women go for the top 20% on dating apps. But that makes some sense since there are SO MANY MORE MEN. Once you equalize the numbers, I bet we’d see women swipe right on the top 40-50% of men. Maybe I’m being delusional. But I think the over abundance of men on the apps has way more impact on driving female pickiness than we give …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 10:31 PM
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Having a low-ish sex drive has been beneficial for me. I could never get my dick hard for an ugly girl, no matter how horny I got. I don’t understand how some men can stoop that low.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 10:25 PM
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Some short women are absolute height queens and kind of toxic about it too. I went on a date with a 30 year old chick who was around 5’. She was all about social justice, treating marginalized groups well, racial equity, etc. I’m cool with all that as a liberal dude. It told me she was likely someone who scored high on conscientiousness and not being toxic. We got to talking about Zendaya for some reason and she referenced “the infant she’s dating” and I asked “you mean Tom Holland? Why is he an…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 09:59 PM
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Yep, at 18 you’re still likely going to have that teenager look to an extent. I think early 20s is when women are the most universally attractive to most adult men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 02:18 PM
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He’s definitely the lightning rod of this topic for sure, which is going to invite louder and more critical voices. I wish we had a counterfactual example for the gold digger example. Like if some famous, “gold digger” woman repeatedly married rich men and divorced them for their money, would the collective discourse and volume of the criticism she’d get match that of what Leo receives? I truly don’t know. I’d be super curious to know though from a theoretical POV.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 02:15 PM
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Yeah I agree with you. If you’re a 30 year old man, wanting to date an 18 year old is really really really weird to me. Like I get that she’s gonna be the hottest I guess. But the emotional immaturity she’d have would be a huge repellant.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 02:09 PM
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Yeah, so we agree about the age gap thing. We just didn’t know what each other meant by “age gap” till explicitly defining it. I agree in the past society didn’t shame men for age gaps. But now MSM does - look at how much hate Leo gets for his age gap relationships. The overall MSM sentiment score on it is quite negative. So society is morphing to take on views that are more aligned with how you and others like you think. No value judgments there. Just what it is. As for MSM, I go off of what ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 01:56 PM
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I’ll concede that tons of men shit on women for anything and everything when it comes to online communities, especially, when people take their masks off. But when it comes to mainstream media and society, the zeitgeist for women right now is near unilateral empowerment in all regards. Women aren’t really being shamed for anything right now when it comes to their preferences. MSM won’t criticize how some women have really strict height or income standards. So I put less emphasis on what men onli…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 01:32 PM
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Agreed.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 01:26 PM
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I’m an older man in his early 30s and think your take is reasonable, healthy, and well adjusted. I find younger women attractive physically, but could never take them seriously for a long term relationship. They’re just too immature and we’re in such different life stages. I’d never be able to relate to them on a meaningful level, and that’s critical for me to develop an emotional bond with a woman I want to be with long term. Will I sleep with one casually if given the opportunity? Sure. But I’…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 01:24 PM
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I’m a man I’m not sure I agree that the average 24 year old is secretly fantasizing about a much older guy. Can you specify how much older? Someone 10, 15, 20, 30+ years older? I’d most confidently assert she most likely fantasizes about men way closer to her age. The ones who do fantasize about way older men likely have some fetish or internalized daddy issues they’re unaware of.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 01:18 PM
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You’re right that men aren’t actually disallowed from doing what they want. There are no rules and laws preventing men from exercising their sexuality (save for the deviant ones obviously). But what he’s saying is that if feminism is basically for letting women choose how they want to live without shame or judgment, then that courtesy should really be applied to anyone and everyone of all races, creeds, ages, genders, religions, etc. Let people do what they want. Ie the shaming that men get when…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 01:13 PM
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This sums it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 01:07 PM
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I never made this connection. You’re so right lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 01:06 PM
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I’m a man and I agree with this. When it comes to initial and instant physical attraction, most women will likely be more attracted to men in her immediate age range. Say, plus/minus a couple years. Older men can become more holistically appealing (not necessarily physically attractive) as life partners to women but only if the other factors, like resources, clout, etc are higher to compensate for the guy’s older age. But I think this question boils down to simply asking: if a young woman lines …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 12:54 PM
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Sure. We’re talking in generalities here. So all I do is vet each woman on an individual basis and make a judgment call with the information I have.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 02:18 AM
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Sorry dude my advice won’t be useful to you since we have different values and are looking for different things. I actually prefer my partner to have some experience so she knows what she wants and doesn’t want. I just don’t want someone who’s promiscuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 01:36 AM
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Ah if you’re looking for a virgin, my answer won’t help you. Id also encourage you to lift the virgin requirement. Not only is it incredibly unrealistic (unless you run in devout, evangelical Christian or Mormon circles), it’s also not the silver bullet most men think it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 12:39 AM
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I’d have to write a novel to give justice to an answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 12:00 AM
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Thanks for linking. Just reinforces you gotta be the complete package. A super hot guy will still struggle to find women if he’s not putting himself out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 11:03 PM
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Can you link the thread? Very curious to see.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 10:49 PM
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I think what you wrote actually validates OP’s premise.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 10:43 PM
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Makes sense. Can you comment on how your wanting to be the more masculine / leading role shaped your experiences in your original comment? For instance, do the more feminine / following lesbians also experience what you wrote?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 10:41 PM
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Thanks for sharing your pov as a lesbian woman. I’ve often seen in lesbian pairings a more masculine presenting partner balanced by a more feminine presenting partner. Would you say that describes you and your partner? If so, my hypothesis is your experience is coming from the masculine end? I might be wrong. Said differently, I wonder if your partner has the same experience as you.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 10:29 PM
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+1. Having a rich and diverse social circle where you’re meeting a lot of other men and women is probably the number 1 way to meet a partner you vibe with.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 09:28 PM
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It’s not meant to be literal. The whole part about spending time with a loved one until you’re on your death bed is implied. It’s just a euphemism.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 09:26 PM
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Ah you married a woman from overseas? What ethnicity?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 08:44 PM
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Wow, a 17 year old age gap is pretty big. I’m in my early 30s and couldn’t date a woman in her early 20s. The maturity levels and life stages are just too different. Good for you if you found a unicorn though.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 08:28 PM
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Yep. She was very insecure and had an anxious attachment style. Scary you said the me too stuff bc I was freaked out at one point she’d do the same when I ended things with her. She was very vindictive when I ended things politely. She lashed out and said “I never liked you anyway” lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 08:04 PM
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I could see this being the case too. We’ll never know unless you know the individual at hand. But the one fatal flaw I see with this strategy is that it also makes him look bad because he’s explicitly telegraphing: I can’t lock down a relationship. Reasonable women would hear this and wonder “why isn’t this guy able to lock down someone if he’s so desirable?”
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 07:30 PM
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This.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 07:17 PM
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This should be fun 🍿
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 07:12 PM
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You’re not wrong (about her at least). She’d constantly make off hand comments alluding to that when we began dating. When I first brought her back to my place and we were walking through my building’s lobby, she said “ha so this is where you bring all your bumble dates” When we were making out in my apartment, she said “im not sleeping with you that easily; I’m not like your other girls” lmao. She asked me on our second date when the last time I had sex was, and so on so forth.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 07:10 PM
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Gotcha. I didn’t interpret her comment as if she was saying it’s illogical for men to care about body count. I actually interpreted it as her acknowledging why men care as being logical (being measured against past partners that you may not live up to).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 07:07 PM
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Nuanced Nancy ready to report; Yes, I don’t even want a virgin or ultra low body count woman either. Because I’m insecure that she’ll wonder what else is out there. On the other extreme, I don’t want a woman with a very high body count because odds are is she’s been with a super appealing man that she really lusts and pines after for a very long time. I’d rather find someone in the sweet spot: someone who’s slept with enough partners to not be curious about getting so much more experience, but a…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 06:51 PM
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I think caring about body count is in fact a sexual insecurity. And given my beliefs about what it means to be insecure, my point still stands. A high body count makes men feel insecure (rightfully so) that this woman may make questionable choices with you. That unease is insecurity. It’s not bad. It just is. Just like how most women prefer a man taller than her. Because a shorter man makes her feel insecure that he might not be able to protect her. Insecurity is a neutral thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 06:47 PM
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Yes I criticize women for using it because they use it with the malicious intent to shame men. It’s like shaming someone who’s hungry because they haven’t had a meal in 12 hours. Being hungry in that circumstance is just an objective state of being. There’s no shame that should be attached to it. You’re not landing the point you think you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 06:35 PM
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Just because it’s rooted in some evidence doesn’t mean it’s not an insecurity. Most men viscerally react to being called insecure bc it’s used as shaming language by women trying to cut down men for having standards they don’t like or don’t meet. But all objective measures point to it being an insecurity. Insecurity is not a bad thing. It’s just human nature. My being worried that my woman could cheat on me because she’s cheated before in the past is the definition of feeling insecure. But it’s …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 06:14 PM
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That jumped out at me too. Either a lot of them are a) lying, b) incorrect (bc they can’t do basic conversion math), or c) there’s a self-selection bias where taller men are more eager to report (like me at 6’2”). My guess is it’s mostly b and c.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 05:37 PM
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Fair and factual take. I’ll be more precise: I prefer women like me who can exercise extreme restraint wrt sex and only have sex with committed/exclusive partners or only dabble here and there (like casual sex with one or two partners a year while temporarily single, assuming she’s mostly been in relationships the vast majority of the time and therefore hasn’t had too many time periods of being single). I can go months without sex because I have a lower sex drive. And I don’t care much for casua…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 05:26 PM
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Depends on age as someone else said. But for my target age range (mid to late 20s), 20+ bodies puts me off. I’m a bit more liberal in this regard bc I think it’s reasonable to have casual sex here and there. But if you’re having casual sex with a new partner every other week or month, our values are not aligned.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 04:25 PM
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Yep, precisely. It’s why I don’t stress about the body count thing too much. Just move on to the next one when your spidey senses go off. There are plenty of “good girls” (I don’t like using that phrase, but it gets the point across) out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 04:15 PM
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I agree it’s more than the physical and encompasses the emotional as well. It’s not so much the mechanical act as it is how the man makes her feel, both physically and emotionally. Having sex with someone you’re bonded with is much much much more fulfilling than casual sex with a stranger.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 02:47 PM
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No. I would never ask directly. I don’t care about the exact number as much as I care about her attitude towards sex. If she asks me mine and then divulges hers, that’s fine. But I’ll never ask her first. With my last ex, she made me get an STD test before she’d have sex with me. I saw that as a huge green flag for relationship material. Edit: there is a number tho at the extremes that become problematic for me personally. And that number depends on your age for the most part. For instance if my…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 02:15 PM
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It’s not irrelevant. If there’s, say, a 5% chance that any given man will rock her world, a woman who’s slept with 50 men means she’s had her world rocked by 2.5 men. A woman who’s slept with 10 men has not been rocked by any man. So you’re more likely to be the first guy (if you’re good at sex) to get her off first and make a lasting impression IF she’s the woman you want to wife up.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 02:03 PM
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I knew this argument was going to come out eventually: “we’re not cavemen and cavewomen anymore.” So why do women still fixate on height and wealth and status? We still have lizard brains that operate in the background and guide our subconscious behaviors and desires. But yes, we SHOULD be more evolved and be able to override them. Yet somehow we don’t. Homo sapiens have only existed for 300,000 years. Modern society has been around for maybe 50 years (modern as defined as the time period most r…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 02:00 PM
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Not sure what you’re arguing. I’m literally agreeing with you. Most men fucking suck at sex. Because most men are fucking lazy and just want to cum without really thinking about the woman’s pleasure.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 01:56 PM
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Yes it is. It’s reasonable to conclude that out of 50 men, at least 1 or 2 of them rocked her world. I’m actually literally acknowledging the fact that the VAST VAST MAJORITY (ie 95% plus) of men do not get women off sexually to the point where she’s pining for more.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 01:51 PM
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Spot on. This is my exact experience too. It’s not really natural for a woman to want to have loads and loads of casual sex with random men. That’s not their biological imperative. Evolutionarily speaking it’s also very risky and dangerous for her to do so. For men, it’s the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 01:28 PM
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This is spot on. I know a lot of women like to call it insecurity with the malicious intent of shaming men to feel bad. But it really is an insecurity at the end of the day. And you explained it perfectly. If a woman slept with 50 men, it’s reasonable to conclude at least some of those men REALLY rocked her world. And we know a lot of women tend to overly fixate on those few, highly memorable experiences. In the RP community, that’s called being Alpha widowed (which I think is a stupid term but …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 01:22 PM
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It’s not that men are being super calculated as if they have this voice in the back of their head at 40% volume at all times analyzing every single move they make. It’s still largely a somewhat passive process insofar you learn from trial and error until your behavior becomes natural and a part of who you are. A charismatic player type isn’t calculating everything he says and does. He just says and does things NATURALLY because he’s learned over time what works.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 01:10 PM
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Can you help me reconcile your being an FDS advocate (which inherently is about attracting and securing what you guys consider a HVM) while simultaneously saying “leave us alone?” I’m really asking genuinely. These two are in direct conflict with each other. You do see that, right? My best guess is what you’re covertly saying is, “99% of men are trash to us and we don’t want you, so, you trash men, leave us alone. But the 1% man I want, do please sweep me off my feet.” Is that a fair characteriz…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 01:07 PM
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Great comment. Fully agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 12:50 PM
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While in those specific instances, yes, you know you aren’t being seen by others, the overarching point still holds. It’s because you know you WOULD look nice to others if you did go out. So it feels good to do it. I will concede people who don’t go out much do to WFH or whatever are more prone to doing this because it can pull them out of a funk of wearing basics all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 12:40 PM
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This times a million. And it goes for both genders, though the most common angle here discussed is makeup. I go to the gym to lift weights and look good. Yes, I do like the side benefits with regards to health, especially as I get older. But I do it primarily to look good to women and be more attractive. And it feels good because I look good and get more positive attention. It’s inherently rooted in an outward-response eliciting and seeking goal. I think men are more willing to admit this becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 12:28 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/ask/comments/11hhmup/do_women_really_only_wear_make_up_strictly_for/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf Why do men and women insist on saying they don’t enhance their looks for others? The amount of mental gymnastics I saw in that thread made me think I was watching the Olympics. “I do it for myself because when I look attractive, I feel better about myself.” Attractive to who?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 03:11 AM
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Yeah this guy isn’t as attractive as he thinks he is. Facially he’s like a 5.5. He’s not ugly, but he’s not good looking either. No woman is doing a double take when they see him. And I only literally watched maybe 5 seconds of him talking and you can tell he’s not very charismatic.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 02:52 AM
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I’m like this too. I’m early 30s and while my dating apps are set to 25-32, I almost never take my matches who are 30+ seriously for LTR consideration. Most of them look noticeably older with wrinkles and skinny fat builds, etc. some do look fantastic for their age and I’d gladly sleep with them. But at the same time, they tend to be razor sharp around not wasting time with non-potentials like me. Also I would rather date someone for a couple years before getting married and having kids, so anyo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 02:19 AM
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Sorry Rich, but you’re in the wrong here.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 07:17 PM
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I can co sign some of this. A lot of women complain about how men just talk on and on and on during dates. And never ask about them. I have the exact opposite experience. Granted, I’m an excellent, active listener and am good at making people feel at ease. But it’s astonishing how self-centered a lot of women I date are in convo. The good ones are the ones who catch themselves “oh my goodness I’ve been talking about myself too much” and then reciprocate. A girl I’m sleeping with right now I won’…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 12:30 AM
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I was watching some Matthew Hussey videos and he gives great advice to women on how to date and lock down men. Spot on advice. All the “tips and tricks” he mentioned would work on me 100%.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 12:05 AM
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I think men who did yoga years ago had that stigma to contend with. But now it’s widely accepted and there are tons of men in yoga classes. I’ve been to a couple (with an ex) and there were like 30-40% men. All respectful. No judgment. Yoga is a spiritually judgment free zone too, so you shouldn’t really have to worry about sticking out and being judged.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 12:02 AM
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It’s so common amongst straight women though. And these straight women are tolerant and happy to have gay friends. Is it really homophobia? I don’t think men are NOT homophobic for being much more amenable to their romantic partner being bi. It’s a really weird phenomenon.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 08:05 PM
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This is why if I get married, I want to marry a woman who is a) highly educated, b) professionally successful, and c) makes a high income (at least six figures). I’m not like most men in that I do care about and value a woman’s financial success. I find them very appealing.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 03:01 PM
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Try classes like cooking classes or yoga.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 04:42 AM
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Monkey branching gone wrong lol
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 04:11 AM
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Yep, upfront disclosure is the optimal way to pre filter yourself and her from wasted time.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 03:32 AM
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While you sharing that was indeed being vulnerable, I’m 99% certain the reason she lost interest is because most women are straight up not attracted to bi men. There’s something in her brain that imagines her man having sex with another man that repulses her. Men are different in that imagining her woman with another woman is at worst neutral and at best hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 03:20 AM
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Context? Why is he considered a nice guy now?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 01:56 AM
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Jfc. If a woman can’t handle a man being emotional and vulnerable about a death in the family, she’s a cold hearted bitch.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 01:54 AM
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You’re right.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 11:44 PM
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You thought you ate lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 11:22 PM
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This is borderline toxic but you have to make it covertly clear to her that a) you have other options and b) that you are always willing to walk away if things aren’t right.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 11:10 PM
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Agreed. I’m in my early 30s and have no trouble attracting women in their 20s. I take care of myself and look younger for my age. I often see other men who are younger than me in age but look way older. A lot of it is genetics, and a lot of it is your lifestyle.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 04:33 PM
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I meant for men only. A (bald) man wearing a wig will be perceived much differently than a man wearing makeup. Edit: on second read, sounds like you’re actually talking about men too. But in your example, concealer is a specific type of make up. And concealer is very subtle for the most part. But when I say makeup, I’m referring to more overt alterations, like a man wearing eye shadow or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 03:33 PM
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On average, at best they would feel neutral about it and at worst they would be slightly to moderately repulsed. Society is still conditioned to see male make up as feminine. This is changing though slowly with the younger generation of men increasingly embracing nail polish, for instance. And to have a productive conversation on this topic, we can’t lump the male enhancements into one broad category. Wearing a wig for baldness is leagues different than wearing makeup for instance.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 02:39 PM
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You’re making a critical error in not taking into account that old school game was predicated on in person live interactions. Today, most romantic interactions start online with profiles and photos. When you normalize the conditions to be the same, having game IRL still helps a ton. Are people on average today more looks obssesed compared to 15 years ago? YES. But talking to and meeting women IRL will STILL yield you exponentially higher success than sticking to online. Don’t foolishly discount …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 02:19 PM
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Not to mention how insufferably immature they would be. I could never date one seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 12:08 PM
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Not really the right type of content to make that cliche phrase to. It’s too played out now by people trying to come across as unbothered.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 05:28 AM
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Sorry to hear. What happened?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 05:20 AM
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Glad we’re on the same page. I kept forcing the point because my original comment was stating the same premise.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 04:06 AM
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I don’t disagree with you at all. But let me posit a ridiculous hypothetical to you. God shows up in front of you. He knows of all young women in America aged 18-25 or so, exactly how many are most physically attracted to men closer to their age vs men in their 30s. He asks you to guess whether more than half or less than half of those young women prefer men closer to their age. If you get it wrong, you’ll never be able to have sex with women again and your dick will become inverted so every tim…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 03:59 AM
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I’m sure you do and I believe you. I know a couple myself. And yes, there are some young women who do actively seek out and prefer older men. It’s kind of a kink for them. But that’s the exception to the norm. The vast majority of young women prefer dating and fucking young men closer to their age.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 03:46 AM
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Whoops, yeah I had a double negative there.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 03:41 AM
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My last sentence is. But the rest isn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 03:38 AM
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This is a reach.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 03:14 AM
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I think her point is still mostly that she’d rather fuck a 21 year old guy than be an older man’s sugar baby. ie even if he weren’t her bf her point would still stand. And I don’t understand how that’s hard to believe. Younger women are not physically attracted to middle aged men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 03:13 AM
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This. I’m a man in my 30s and it is simply not true that the average, young 20 year old is PHYSICALLY attracted to the average man in his 30s or 40s. They want guys their age for the most part. I see a lot of men who think they just need to make six figures by their 40s and they’ll be able to date hot 20 year olds. Not happening. For you to date a hot 20 year old when you’re twice her age, you need to be making SERIOUS money. Six figures isn’t worth shit. And at that point, it’s about the money …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 02:20 AM
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Tucker Carlson is just dumb. I don’t rage over him. He’s just hard to take seriously. Walsh I can take seriously. Even Steven crowder I can take somewhat seriously esp with his change my view segments. Both are intellectually honest for the most part. Tucker Carlson is not. He’s just an entertainment provocateur.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 02:05 AM
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The answer is yes. I’m in my early 30s and routinely match with and date attractive women in their mid 20s. But I have looks and money going for me, not status. Now securing one for a LTR where we’re insanely compatible? Completely different story. I imagine as I get deeper into my 30s, it will only get harder. I don’t think most women in their 20s want to date men in their late 30s unless the guy is exceptionally good looking, fit, and wealthy. I’ve seen what other men in their early to mid 30s…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 01:48 AM
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I’m more liberal but think Walsh makes arguments that are hard to disprove. Tucker Carlson is an idiot who has no real values or views other than parroting what his overlords tell him to say. Tate isn’t even a political commentator so he doesn’t really count imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 01:27 AM
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That all makes sense. Re: your partner, Isn’t it reasonable to think then that your partner is equally as committed to you as you are to her? Curious why you think she is susceptible to monkey branching.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 12:53 AM
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So I meant more so does the lesbian community acknowledge that women tend to monkey branch? Or is that seen more within heterosexual women? Secondly, isn’t it possible (perhaps unlikely tho) that you could meet someone who somehow rocks your socks more than your current partner? Ie someone who meets ALL your desired attributes/character traits?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 12:44 AM
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Ah missed your flair, my bad. Is it generally accepted within the lesbian community that monkey branching is a thing as well? Do you see yourself being prone to that tendency too?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 10:50 PM
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Does your girl know your pov on that (the whole monkey branching concept)? Asking genuinely. I think most women would take offense to hear their man think that about them because women can’t fathom that part of their nature being true.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 08:02 PM
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I would be thrilled to go Dutch on all dates and have equal back and forth planning stuff. But I don’t. Because I know it’ll get me rejected more often than not. So it’s a horrible risk to gamble on. We all know that for the majority of women who reach for their purse when the check comes, it’s a fake gesture. And if you let them split with you, they’ll write you off and never go out with you again. *this doesn’t apply to women who are genuine and earnest in their desire to split. But in my own …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 02:22 AM
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What are the core tenets of WGTOW? Is it like MGTOW such that women are opting out of romance and partnership entirely?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 05:42 PM
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Interesting. So you’re a red pilled woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 05:33 PM
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This is a good take.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 04:45 PM
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Fine, I’ll give you that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 02:45 PM
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I actually agree with your views here. But the nuance you’re not considering is that my relationship ideals are blue pilled. What I believe to be human nature (both male and female) is mostly purple. Those are two very distinct concepts as the pills have sub sections in terms of how they think humans behave in terms of mate choice and attraction vs how you should behave once in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 02:43 PM
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Yep, the information asymmetry in this specific matter of commitment heavily favors the woman. How in the hell are you supposed to know what she really was like in her younger years (unless her friends tell you)? And she may not be fully telling the truth in terms of what she says or thinks she wants when she’s older. A lot of people are not self aware enough to know and understand their desires and behaviors. So yep, on balance it’s safer to be risk averse.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 02:37 PM
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I think you need to assess on an individual by individual basis. But I agree with imperfect data, it’s reasonable to be risk averse and take your stance.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 02:16 PM
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You’re making it too binary. Would you want to date and sleep with the literal hottest woman in the world? I’m sure you would. What about the second most beautiful woman? I’m sure you would and STILL be happy with her. Most women aren’t so obsessed to the point of not being able to appreciate and admire someone who’s at the top but not literal top.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 02:08 PM
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I work in this sector so I am way more qualified to speak to it than you. 1) yes there are many layoffs happening, but the depth of the cuts (ie % of employees getting laid off) varies widely by company. Meta was way worse hit by Apple’s ATT so they had to cut more: 12%. Google OTOH only cut 6%. Some struggling companies are cutting 20-30% but those are the smaller tech companies that by definition aren’t stable. The FAANG companies are way more stable. 2) The only people making high six figures…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 02:04 PM
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They are not options. They are RSUs. Huge difference. But yes, it is more equity weighted as you go up. Yes, meta is going through a rough patch right now due to Apple’s app tracking transparency initiative wrecking their ability to track conversions. But this is a fluke and the new hires who join right now get these comp packages with the RSU granted at whatever share price the stock is at. So the only people who got creamed are the ones who joined Facebook when their stock was at an all time h…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 01:54 PM
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I disagree. If we’re talking about real confidence where the guy still has self esteem and high self worth while not being arrogant, then this should elevate him. Will it make him sexually appealing? Depends. Probably not. But it will lure people in if only due to intrigue. Confidence ALWAYS helps ANYONE seem more appealing. I think what the chain of comments here are alluding to is more the creepy label unattractive guys get hit with when they hit on or approach a woman. That’s a very different…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 01:48 PM
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Lol you clearly have no clue how much tech jobs pay. The top tier companies like Meta pay well into the six figures and low 7 figures once you hit Director. Edit: https://www.levels.fyi/companies/facebook/salaries/software-engineer
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 01:33 PM
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No, I don’t watch porn. I don’t sub to any only fans. I don’t go on social media to look at women. I don’t follow random ig models. I don’t really use social media at all. I’m not a horn dog though and tend to have a lower sex drive than the average male. So that probably explains my lack of consumption.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 04:42 AM
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You and the other person are the two sole people in this post harping about my financial situation. Calling me a “fucking nerd” makes it sound like you’re trying to put me down to soothe some sort of inferiority complex you have. It’s kinda weird lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 04:18 AM
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Lol just seeing this. I think you’re just jealous.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 02:19 AM
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I think it’s fine if and only if her priorities have indeed shifted and she no longer secretly pines for the sexy bad boy archetype. If she still wants that, knows she can’t get it, and “settles” (in her mind) for a chump, I pity the fool. But I know some women can and do grow out of that phase and genuinely want a more emotionally rounded, stable partner. If that’s the case, that’s a-okay in my books.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 02:13 AM
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It’d be interesting to look at this by age. I think a lot of young women in their early to mid 20s are driven mostly by looks and raw physical attraction. They also care more about having fun and excitement. And then as they get older and start wanting to think about having a family, they start seeking more stable partners that can provide. Looks become a lower priority. “Boring” becomes better.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 01:59 AM
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I get what you’re saying but I’m not aiming for women that I think other people or men will approve of. I’m aiming for women I personally find attractive that I think are in my league. And you are absolutely right that I have resentment issues. I definitely do and I’m not ashamed to admit it. I resent that a lot of women I want to date still hold out for better. I’m not saying that I think I deserve every woman’s attention or affection. No one owes me anything. But what I am saying is I think I’…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 01:54 AM
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Most women I go on dates with have no clue I’m a millionaire bc I don’t telegraph it or mention it. Only the women I end up dating seriously find out (if I trust them to handle it without treating me like an ATM after).
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 01:50 AM
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This. If you have a string of failed situationships that last weeks/months, get led on by men for sex consistently, can’t get in long term relationships with the men you want, etc then that’s a clear cut sign you’re shooting above your league.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 01:36 AM
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Sure, but it’s still indirectly pointing back to yourself: “someone like me” And then you went on to describe yourself and how you personally have life experiences that speak otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 12:38 AM
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I literally wrote as my last sentence that none of what i wrote was meant to describe you because I don’t know anything about who you are…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 12:36 AM
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Women on average are attracted to men with status, yes. It’s not so extreme to mean that you have to be the absolute top dog to get women. It’s a spectrum, not binary.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 12:24 AM
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This will be controversial but I think it really boils down to above average women occupying a very unique position in the dating market place. I’m not talking about the super models and women who are drop dead gorgeous and get invited to party with celebrities and athletes, to be clear. I’m more so talking about the type of woman who is very clearly pretty and attractive, but is still seen as somewhat approachable. The girl next door type. I think these women get a good amount of sexual attenti…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 12:21 AM
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I think more women have a tendency to overinflate how attractive they are and what they deserve in a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 09:58 PM
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I think it’s very human, yes, but I think more women do it and to a much larger degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 09:51 PM
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I think most women would pick Sam. And I don’t think that’s controversial at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 07:38 PM
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Yes… I agree….. which is why I previously acknowledged that “needs” was a suboptimal word to use and why I said “value” instead. You’re arguing an irrelevant semantic point. Are you trying to catch me in a gotcha moment to say that I’m lying about my wealth? I don’t understand what your motives are right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 07:36 PM
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Not sure what you’re trying to argue here, but okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 07:34 PM
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You sound just like me. Everything you wrote resonates. Big +1.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 07:30 PM
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I’d encourage you to re-read what I wrote. I didn’t contradict myself. What one “needs” is subjective. I don’t feel the “need” to have a house cleaner. But I feel the “need” to have the latest tech gadgets. I feel the “need” to eat out all my meals because I don’t like to cook. I probably shouldn’t have used the word “need” because most people will assume that means actual life essentials, like shelter, food, and clothing. That’s why I later said I spend money on things I “value”
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 07:27 PM
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Yeah, this is my experience too. I only try to seriously date women who are 6s and 7s because I think I’m solidly at that level all around (financially, physically, emotionally, etc). But these women tend to want even more, which is in-line with hypergamy. And while I don’t fault them for it (it’s natural for humans to want more), I do think more often than not, they’re truly being delusional in thinking the 8 or 9 guys is going to want them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 07:24 PM
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Just because I am a millionaire doesn’t mean I would spend my money on these things, especially if I don’t value them. Besides, I didn’t get to this point in my life by spending money on things I don’t think I need. I spend my money based on what I value. I spend a lot of money on food and gadgets, but zero money on hiring a house cleaner. I just clean my house myself. It doesn’t bother me, I find it therapeutic to an extent, and I don’t need to do it very often. So spending the money for a hous…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 07:19 PM
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My income and net worth put me in the top 1% of my age cohort, so it’s reasonable for you to assume I’m lying. I probably would be skeptical too if the shoe were on the other foot. But I’m not here to convince you specifically whether I’m lying or not. Feel free to believe whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 07:16 PM
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Ok yeah, there you go.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 07:11 PM
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Nuance: they ofc exist, but I think they’re more rare than common. This also depends on your social circle: are you an evangelical Christian who lives in rural Missouri? Your experience is definitely going to be radically different than a liberal, atheist cohort of people who live in NYC.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 07:00 PM
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I agree with all the beliefs you stated about most women. I have a nuanced take on your last point though about how rare it is to find someone who’s not like this. This will sound shallow, but my belief is that it depends on the level you’re batting at. I think the higher up you go with women in terms of attractiveness, the more likely they are to exhibit these red pill characteristics and vice versa. I know so many women who I think would make excellent partners, but sadly, all or most of them …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 06:26 PM
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Yeah I think you’re exactly right in that what I want in a relationship is solidly blue pill. My red pill beliefs mostly take form in what I believe about female nature - not what I want in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 06:04 PM
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I actually agree with all your points. I don’t think most men, on average, should be sharing all or most of their struggles with their partner. But sporadically it’s fine like you said, if not actually beneficial. I agree every woman has a very different tolerance level, which is why you should always err on the side of less vs more and gauge her reaction. If you vulnerably share that you’re worried about XYZ but that you’re confident it’ll work itself out in the end and then she pulls back? Yea…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 06:01 PM
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Agreed. Hence the last paragraph in my post.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 05:56 PM
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My last ex was all of this except for point 3 re: finances. So, to answer your question, zero given that I’m not in a LTR with anyone who does.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 05:50 PM
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I think you’re referring to being emotionally vulnerable with your partner. I have a nuanced take here: I think you should be emotionally vulnerable but you need to do it correctly. Let’s say you’re scared about some thing, like losing a job or whatever. I think you should share that vulnerably with your partner BUT also pair it with how you’re going to figure it out or that things will still be fine. So you need to be solution oriented and display a self reassured sense of fuck I’m scared about…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 05:38 PM
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Bro you cannot be real. You clearly articulating the evidence behind your statement that I’m looking for a bangmaid isn’t helping ME. It’s helping YOU. You’re so stubborn holy shit. Like you just cannot take the L and take accountability for your miss.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 05:34 PM
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I’m assuming this was a mistake and it’s a nit that doesn’t contribute to your actual topic: but “female women” cracked me up lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 05:29 PM
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Bruh….. Are you going to tell me how I’m looking for a bang maid? Why can’t you back up your claims? Why do you keep evading this question? I’m gobsmacked at how dense you’re being rn. Holyyyyy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 05:28 PM
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Yes, I am trying to shame and embarrass you because you are acting a fool rn. You don’t realize that you just keep digging a deeper hole with every comment you leave. I wouldn’t have taken this tact if you started off with a more level headed comment. But you started off antagonistic. So I’m simply returning the favor.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 05:18 PM
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Re-read my last paragraph.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 05:10 PM
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Criticism taken. You’re right.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 04:58 PM
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Sounds like you have a keeper! Wishing you both a very happy and successful marriage. And +1 to your last paragraph.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 04:46 PM
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Honestly, it’s been tough to find someone who fits these standards. I really don’t think they’re unreasonable at all, but like I allude to in my last paragraph, I think there are a lot of modern women who simply cannot meet these standards. That, or they don’t even look my way because they’re holding out for an even “better” man. I forgot to mention that I also objectively meet the criteria for an attractive man, physically speaking: tall at 6’2”, good looking face, toned and athletic body from …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 04:44 PM
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Ok buddy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 04:39 PM
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I respect your values and standards and you should stick to them because that’s who you are. No shame in that. I will say though that I think you’re going to have a lot of trouble finding this (and I’m sure you agree with me). Especially the virgin requirement. I’d invite you to reassess just how important it is for a woman to be a virgin.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 04:38 PM
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I set goals for myself and financial milestones I wanted to hit by certain ages. And from there I worked backwards. Constantly ask yourself, “for a given goal I have, what is the best way to achieve that with my skills?” Uplevel the skills you don’t have. Move cities and change jobs often in your 20s to move up higher and faster. The first $100k in net worth takes the longest. After that, it’s a snowball effect and you gain wealth much faster.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 04:36 PM
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That’s awesome man. I remember being in college, feels just like yesterday 🥲 Work hard on developing your ability to delay gratification and you’ll become successful. Trust. Invest for the future and long term; not the now and short term.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 04:30 PM
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Sorry, but it’s hard to take this comment seriously because your grammar is off and I fundamentally disagree with your “issue” with labeling because I think you’re complaining about a non-issue. People label things because it’s an easy way to provide an identity so people can have a sense of who you are and what you stand for.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 04:23 PM
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Spot on: these dudes who snipe others cannot handle getting sniped back. It’s pathetic. Fragile egos.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 11:31 PM
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I think the point you’re missing here is you are getting your needs met. You’re not frustrated. Yes sex is typically the outcome most simps want and fail to obtain. But by your own admission you even enjoy just buying women dinner and spending time with them. If that’s so, you’re getting what you want from the transaction so you’re not a simp.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 11:18 PM
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No, you’re not a simp. You’re a sugar daddy. A simp is a guy who continually messages a girl “you’re beautiful” blah blah blah and gets nothing in return but STILL CONTINUES to shower her with compliments and desperation for a date / sex that will never happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 11:12 PM
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That’s the definition of a simp. You by definition aren’t simping if you’re getting what you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 11:03 PM
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I co-sign this. Most men in the manosphere end up there after experiencing dating rejection. They’re frustrated with women. Then they learn about the RP and how there are some very probable, real delusions that some women have. Then the manosphere states you need to be the best version of yourself possible: get your career straight, take care of your health, become well rounded and interesting, and be confident in who you are as a person. But most men are fucking lazy and don’t want to put in th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 10:53 PM
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Excellent list of new points. Agree with all of them. I’m guilty of the second half of your first point in that I feel immense pride when I’m dating a really attractive woman and we’re out in public. That’s pretty shallow of me.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 09:43 PM
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Don’t men do this too? See an attractive woman and sure, maybe the first thought is wow she’s really pretty and I’d love to sleep with her, but deep down we have subconscious beliefs about what she might be like in terms of character and personality. I think most men just don’t realize that because our lizard brains are so attuned to listening to the sexual urges.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 09:41 PM
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👏🏼
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 09:40 PM
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I feel this a lot. My best friend all but disappeared when he got his first gf. Then when I started dating around and spending time with girls, “hey man how come we don’t hang out anymore?” Miss me with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 09:38 PM
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Agree on toxic friendships. I used to work with two guys who would constantly “make jokes” that were meant to belittle you. Like they’d lob deep, personal things that would really hurt. But it’s all jokes bro! Lmao gtfo. The jokes I make to my friends where we give each other shit is over harmless, obviously untrue things.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 09:07 PM
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I disagree with your premise. I think all humans make snap judgments about others based on looks alone. And I think both genders do it to similar degrees and frequencies. It’s a human instinct that’s not gendered to make conclusions after extrapolating from limited data. Obviously the more data and signal you have, the more likely your conclusions will be at least a little more accurate and vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 08:44 PM
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This makes sense. I also wonder if social conditioning encourages women to not be super direct with what they’re saying. They tend to be a bit more passive and indirect in how they frame things to each other. I think this goes back to how often women don’t necessarily take issue with what other people say, but HOW they say it. For instance: Bad: “you’re not pulling your weight when it comes to XYZ and it’s really bothering me” Good: “I feel taken for granted when you don’t do XYZ and it makes me…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 07:54 PM
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This is a thorough list, thanks for contributing! I have a separate but related question and I’m curious how other women would answer this too: are women socialized to not criticize each other and not call each others’ flaws out? I think in general, men are more comfortable giving each other constructive criticism. But I don’t tend to see that happen with women as often. What do you think?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 05:48 PM
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I think simping is ineffective and when men keep doing it, it inflates women’s egos unnecessarily and also makes them more able to take advantage of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 05:24 PM
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Right, it’s just hormones/biology. Nothing to be ashamed about. Just like how I as a man am not ashamed about desiring sex. It’s hormonal and built into my DNA.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 02:35 PM
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I think people are discussing this incorrectly. I don’t think men are referring to asshole personality traits per se when they say this. They’re more so saying that good looking men are more likely to break women’s hearts, primarily because they tend to not offer the commitment that a lot of women tend to want. And the other side of the premise being that less appealing men are more likely to commit because they inherently have fewer options and are thus way less picky about their partner. Ergo,…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 06:03 AM
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I’m using that example to state that for roughly 12 weeks out of the year, women are likely to be in irritable moods or at the very least, prone to being irritable. So on average, it’s reasonable to think that more men will experience more moodiness from more women more often than the other way around. And it’s not a character attack or denigration of women. It just is what it is. Just like how I can accept that more men are more violent more often than women, because of poor social conditioning…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 03:36 AM
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You’re basically referring to a form of Dunning-Kruger effect going on and I def agree a lot of that IS going on with a lot of men. But I gotta be honest with my views. I truly do think that men on average are more stoic than women. Idk about logical because that’s hard to really measure objectively. And I do think women on average are more prone to experiencing mood swings throughout the day or days. You may not see it outwardly because a lot of women are socially calibrated and can wear a conv…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 02:35 AM
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While I tend to agree with you, how can we explain this with biology? I’m not sure all or most of this is social conditioning. It seems to be innate. Do our brains have different wiring? It’s all fascinating and I want to learn the WHY behind all this.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 11:13 PM
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I wasn’t aware that testosterone helps with mood regulation. If that’s true, that helps explain the stoicism that men tend to more easily adopt. I wonder, do women take offense to the rest? Do they find it problematic for people to see them as emotional beings with volatile mood swings?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 11:09 PM
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Sure thing, good luck. And also make sure to offer her a chance to explain why all this makes you uncomfortable (for the record as a guy, I’m with you). A lot of women don’t understand just how persistent and nefarious men can be in their pursuit to get sex. And they take offense to the idea that you’re even concerned she might cheat because ofc no one wants to consider the possibility they’re a cheater. And most aren’t, which is good. But let’s use this analogy. It’s stupid but bear with me: le…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 11:05 PM
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Exactly, though you are ideally enforcing them, just not in such a brutish manner. And it’s exactly how I would go about it too. Sit her down and calmly and non-reactively tell her “Hey I understand you have an online presence and are likely talking to strangers or acquaintances. It makes me uncomfortable to know that is happening because I worry that it could put our relationship in jeopardy. While I trust that you won’t do anything nefarious behind my back, I’d feel a lot more at ease if you d…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 10:58 PM
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That’s valid. Dismissing someone with that phrase is not okay especially if you’re not making a concerted effort to truly understand what she’s saying and feeling and why she’s saying/feeling those things. So yes, we shouldn’t just knee jerk label things as “you’re being emotional” and then shut down the conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 10:50 PM
2

Fair point. I event felt I wasn’t being super coherent in my post as I was writing it. We’re talking about the different emotions exhibited by the two genders. But by and large I think what I’m trying to convey is that men tend to be more stoic and are seen as more logical in how they view and process things, whereas women tend to be more moody and prone to having her feelings fluctuate somewhat moderately throughout the day or days.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 10:41 PM
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I think her comment is the perfect example of how a lot of women overindex on the “how” you convey your boundaries than the boundaries themselves. All throughout your post, I see women coming in calling you controlling, abusive, and insecure. These are common shaming tactics and language they use against men. But it’s based on the “how” you set your boundaries. They’re envisioning an overbearing, tense man sternly telling his gf “you CANNOT have social media and chat casually online with strange…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 10:37 PM
3

Ok, so you just agreed then that love is conditional for both genders. That’s what the topic is at hand. Whose love is MORE or LESS conditional is a different point entirely. But there I do agree women’s love tends to be more conditional given they tend to have more requirements in a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 06:48 PM
2

See, this is where the tool is flawed too and I forgot to mention this in my original post. It’s saying that out of ALL men in the US, your parameters only fit 2% of men. But that’s not the “real stat” because you’re not going for ALL men in the us. You’re going for men who are 20-35. So the tool needs to only calculate the number of men IN YOUR DESIRED AGE RANGE that fit the other parameters you set. When you isolate the numbers that way, you get the more real number which I venture to guess is…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 05:57 PM
1

Yeah, the descriptors (cat lady) and score out of 5 they give is just a stupid filter that the tool’s creator set based on his beliefs. What was the percentage score you got though?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 05:49 PM
7

Okay but if your wife became morbidly obese, started nagging you 24/7, physically abused you, called you names, belittled you, and was outright a horrible human being, would you still love her?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 05:47 PM
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Your treatment of your wife is a function of your love for her. Would you treat your wife well if you didn’t love her? Not that you’d treat her poorly per se, but we men treat women we love way differently than women we don’t love.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 05:33 PM
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We’re not debating the degree of conditionality or who has more conditions. We’re debating whether men and women love conditionally at all. So the number of conditions set by the genders is irrelevant. BUT I will say I agree with you that women have more conditions. And I think that also helps explain why women are more likely to leave, because they’re more likely to be dissatisfied in a relationship due to the increased number of conditions she has.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 04:58 PM
1

I def agree men do it too, but I think women do it more often at a much larger scale.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 04:48 PM
1

Eh, I don’t need to convince you personally so that’s fine if you don’t believe me. And my 7 rating for myself encompasses all those factors that you mentioned, not just looks. Physically, I’m a solid 6-7 on a good day as I’m tall at 6’2” and have an athletic physique (go to the gym 2-3x a week for 8+ years) and have an attractive face. Where I lose a lot of universal appeal though is I’m not white. So for the women who prefer my race, dating is like shooting fish in a barrel. But for women who …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 04:33 PM
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They are more likely to leave when you look at the data: 80% of divorces are initiated by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 04:24 PM
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I didn’t read your entire post (sorry) but to answer your title, both genders love conditionally for the most part. I think where the genders differ is that women are more likely to leave a relationship when those conditions are no longer met. Men are more likely to stay in the relationship but be very unfulfilled and likely not treat his partner with the same love and affection he first did. So while you could technically say the man is being unconditional in his love if your primary metric of …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 04:20 PM
1

Whoa whoa whoa pump the brakes. I’m not demanding anything. What I do know is I’m incredibly self aware and realistic in how I perceive myself. I’m not going to qualify myself with my stats but trust me when I say I have the dating experience to back up that I’m batting within my league. Also im not walking around and dating women on my level and giving off those vibes you described. I’m a regular dude who treats the women I date normally and with respect. I’m well adjusted, have a very good job…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 04:11 PM
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Lol this. When I visited Texas I was gobsmacked at all the beautiful women dating completely plain looking men. They might have other characteristics that make them appealing but purely from a looks pov the women were way above them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 03:37 PM
1

No, I never said I expect all women on my level should be open to dating me. What I do lament is I think MORE women on my level should be open to dating me. I’m still attractive enough to have options (good ones, too) for dating. But I’m not attractive enough to be swimming in absolute abundance like the top 5% of men. I think for me personally it’s because the women I want to date are in that sweet spot of being attractive enough to have a lot of “better than them” sexual options but not for lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 03:32 PM
0

You should feel proud of your accomplishments at that level, yes, because statistically you’ve proven that you are above the average when comparing against your local population. Where my feedback is narrowly pointed towards is this minority of extreme RP men who think that they are god’s gift to all women because they make $100k and are maybe 5’11”. You’re not all THAT special.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 03:14 PM
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Agree with all this. And what makes dating such a hell scape right now is a lot of people are failing to calibrate these two specific parameters: How likely is it for ME to meet the man/woman I want And How likely is it for THEM (them being your ideal type) to want to commit to you long term This is all under the assumption that most people are trying to pair up for the long term. This doesn’t cover casual sex situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 03:11 PM
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Eh I think that comes down to individual preferences and your tolerance threshold to work with someone less than your ideal. I for one could never seriously date a butterface. I’d sleep with her, sure, maybe if I was down bad. I do agree men are more likely to sleep with women well below their ideal beauty standards though.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 03:08 PM
1

Yep, agreed. I can want an IG model but I know she won’t want me. Thus I don’t feel butt hurt that i don’t date them. Where I do get butt hurt is when I think I’m on a woman’s level and she won’t look my way lol. I think that’s where a lot of men struggle and feel frustrated.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 02:43 PM
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Yeah, this is a good point. I think most of us have a series of standards and preferences that narrow down our “chances” of finding someone (at the total population level) to something very low anyway, like 2-20% like you said. That’s why dating is so hard and most people are not easily / quickly pairing up.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 02:36 PM
0

I agree. I never said the data is flawed. What I said is flawed is how you interpret the data. Even though these HVM are more common in the major cities, on average, they still are rare, yes, relative to that city’s total population. And yes, there are more women who want these HVM than there are HVM in these cities. This is why I think women who are above average in attractiveness but not model caliber are really set up for failure. They’re attractive enough to be able to mingle with, sleep wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 02:21 PM
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I agree it’s still rare but you have to look at everyone’s individual situation. I’m surrounded by people who make six figures. So for the women in my social circle, it’s not special nor difficult to find a six figure man. If you’re a woman who works minimum wage and have no advanced degrees or high income job prospects, you’re likely also surrounded by low income men. So then yeah, aiming for a six figure man for that woman is much more difficult unless she’s exceptionally attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 02:14 PM
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My experience is not the opposite. It’s almost always a woman who is way more attractive than the man. It makes sense too. Women are much more flexible in what they want physically because men can make up for a lack of physical attractiveness by being exceptionally charming, funny, rich, etc. But men value looks above all else for the most part, so if a woman isn’t attractive to him, she won’t even register on his radar, let alone become his GF.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 02:01 PM
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I don’t think this is a groundbreaking claim. What it boils down to is: if what originally attracted you to your partner (no matter what it is, looks, money, etc) no longer exists after a certain amount of time, then yes, it’s reasonable to assume they won’t be as attracted anymore. If a woman values ambition in a man and starts dating him, but he starts smoking weed everyday and becomes a lazy bum, it’s reasonable to assume she’ll lose attraction for him. Same exact scenario that you’re paintin…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 01:55 PM
1

I agree with this wholeheartedly though I think you’re bringing up a separate point, which is: what you want in a partner is not necessarily what you can attract.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 01:46 PM
2

Ofc money matters a good amount. But having money isn’t the end all be all. Those women who wouldn’t date you bc you can’t afford a car still wouldn’t date you if you could afford a BMW but treated her like absolute shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 12:54 PM
2

Yes, I quite literally acknowledge that explicitly. Context matters in the sense of where you live. If I made this income in rural Kansas, I’d have way more pull from my wealth alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 12:39 PM
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I’m a high income and high net worth man and I agree with OP. I’m also conventionally attractive (tall, handsome, fit). Even though the women I date know money will never be an issue for me, it doesn’t mean they cling onto me like glue. And that’s because I live in a major city (LA) where men like me are common-ish enough to not be an impossible to find commodity. You need to be the full package. Money always helps, but it’s not the end all be all. I think money only really becomes a force to be…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 12:33 PM
2

Look at TwoX for the female version bemoaning men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 12:03 PM
1

Gotcha. Putting everything together I’d say the odds of her having had a wild hoe phase are maybe 20-30%. Some women are INCREDIBLY good at concealing their past. I actually think if a woman harps a lot about maintaining a certain image and being hyper aware about the stigma of being promiscuous, paired with her being socially savvy in general, it’s actually more likely she has some past she’s not proud of.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 09:27 PM
1

If you’ve been with enough women, you can tell which ones are DOWN for you and others who are simply happy to go along for the ride. Most women fall into the latter camp. Can you tell which one she falls into? If the former, it could just be her giving into her carnal desires for you because she finds you incredibly appealing.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 09:22 PM
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Gotcha. Having sex on the second date in and of itself isn’t a sign that she takes sex lightly. But it also doesn’t affirm that she takes it seriously either. You’ll need to look out for other signals.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 09:11 PM
1

Before you guys had sex, did she push for you to share your latest STD test results? That’s always a good sign that she doesn’t take sex lightly.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 09:05 PM
7

From what you wrote, she seems pretty wholesome. Girls who had wild hoe phases have a habit of telling on themselves in obvious ways. Your gf doesn’t sound like it so far.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 09:03 PM
1

K
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 08:57 PM
3

Yeah, you’re the type of woman that I think men like me want to find. Smart, accomplished, but still a little nurturing and showing you’re thinking about your partner with thoughtful gestures. All while not being a passive doormat.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 05:43 PM
3

You raise valid points and they apply to the Uber wealthy. I’m not Uber wealth but I am upper middle class. So I still am constrained by a lot of the costs associated with childcare that average Americans face - just to a lesser degree and in a less burdensome fashion. But I’m not fuck you rich.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 04:55 PM
1

Makes sense. I agree with literally everything you say as long as we’re making the distinction between casual vs serious dating. Also agree that women shitting on Leo for being a groomer who can’t date women his own age is pure cope.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 04:20 PM
1

Y’all need to stop engaging with her. She’s a misandrist. Just look at her comment history shitting on men everywhere on TwoX and here. She’s a lost cause who blames men for everything and anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 04:02 PM
2

Because what if she has no shared values, interests, or personality that you enjoy? Would you seriously date a broke, insufferable woman just because you’re rich and she’s hot? I don’t understand this mentality at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 03:48 PM
1

Agreed on your last point. I’m in my mid 30s and find women in their early 20s the most physically attractive. But I could never date or marry one because we just aren’t compatible in terms of goals, lifestyle, shared cultural experiences, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 03:35 PM
4

I’ll give you points that yes, I wish I and other men could look past looks. But I can’t. I can’t help but not be attracted to an ugly woman even if she’s the most kind, caring, compassionate, well rounded, interesting person in the world. Also, no where in my post did I lament the lack of attractive and well rounded women in my own personal life lmao. This is where you lost me and you came across as a bitter femcel with an axe to grind against men. I took a look at your post and comment history…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 03:21 PM
3

Yeah my wording is not quite conveying what I meant. I’ve seen a lot of fresh n fit podcasts where the hosts will constantly bang the drum of “I’m a multi millionaire blah blah and other rich men like us don’t care about your money or personality etc as long as you’re feminine, agreeable, and attractive.” And that’s where I’m like that’s a crock load of shit. Dating a drop dead gorgeous bimbo who can’t engage in meaningful convos with you and is uninteresting sounds dreadful and unfulfilling.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 03:12 PM
3

I mean pooling money as in you’ll split big ticket items together. It also plays out in terms of going 50/50 on stuff when dating, assuming similar income brackets. I for one refuse to date women who expect me to pay for everything, ESPECIALLY if she has a good job too. Always happy to chip in more when dating someone who makes way less money than me.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 02:34 PM
3

100000% agree with everything you said. This is why my post is hyper targeted to RP men who only care about looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 02:32 PM
2

I’m in my mid 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 02:29 PM
4

Eh I could post pics of myself, screenshots of my dating apps, and my brokerage accounts, but not worth trying to prove you, a random person, wrong. Carry on. I will agree with you on the casual sex part. I do sleep with attractive women who have no potential to become wifey on the reg because sex is sex. I generally have a lower libido though so sometimes I don’t even bother to put in the effort to court girls for casual sex unless she makes it super easy and is willing to come over with no eff…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 02:28 PM
2

Eh while I agree that women tend to view their money as theirs, INITIALLY, I do know there is a population of women who would gladly pool resources together when married. I’m looking for that kind of partnership where we both contribute and live a certain lifestyle. I think a lot more women would be open to this arrangement than you’d think.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 02:26 PM
3

This is a good take, I hadn’t considered the SAHM angle. I didn’t touch upon the latter part of partnership which is marriage and kids, to your point. My pov there is that the woman should decide if she wants to keep working full time, part time, or not at all. I’d support her in any choice she makes. Since we’d be high income together, we’d be able to afford a nanny who could babysit full time. I will say though anecdotally that around half the women I know who are career women ended up quittin…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 02:21 PM
4

Yes, it is. I even acknowledge that in my post re: how doctors tend to marry doctors etc. My post is to go beyond that and specify within RP men that they need to focus more beyond just looks and looks alone. I pity the man who tries to date an attractive woman he can’t even have pleasant, stimulating conversations with. What’s the joy in partnering with someone like that?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 02:17 PM
6

My ENTIRE post is around how men need to have higher standards beyond just looks. Yet you honed in on the one blurb that calls out how men are perpetuating a system in which women overemphasize their own looks above all else. I’m actually calling out my gender here but you’re too blinded by your own misandrist rage to see that. You’re no different than a bitter, red pill incel lmao. Sad. This is why we can’t have good, honest debates because too many idiotic men and women come in guns ablazing a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 02:06 PM
6

Yeah, it really does come down to trying to mingle with people in the same socioeconomic class. It just so happens that people in the shared class tend to have similar values and attainment when it comes to education, ambition, finances, intellect, etc. And yep, step 0 for beauty is right. That’s why your high class friend still won’t attract men because men do care about looks first and foremost. But I think once that bar has been passed, men need to have more requirements to meet, just like wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 02:03 PM
4

I glanced through your comment history and it’s clear you have an axe to grind against men and are probably a minor to moderate misandrist. Because of that I already know I need to discount pretty much everything you say because you’re not debating with intellectual honesty. Can you clearly articulate the so-called projection you cited? I’m not convinced you understood my point at all and are just trying to passive aggressively point out red herrings that are irrelevant to the topic at hand. I’l…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 01:58 PM
1

I hear you. I’m also a minority race and not white. I still struggle quite a bit in dating in that I haven’t been able to lock down a woman I want. But I’m fortunate enough to be considered good looking by most, so I can date within my race with EXTREME ease and outside my race with moderate ease. I still get ghosted and taken for granted though left and right. And I do think if I were white I’d have a much easier time, too. But it’s all relative as I know I’m outperforming most average white me…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 01:54 PM
6

Those two statements you call out as hypocrisy from my end are trying to convey two entirely different messages. The first one around women is to call out that women need to develop more beyond their looks. The second one around my superficial traits is to give context to what my viewpoints are coming from because we all know most women are attracted to these traits I possess. In other words, you missed the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 01:47 PM
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I re-read my post and I mischaracterized my point. I think ALL men need to have higher standards for women. We all pedestalize too much just to get easy access to sex. But if we held women to the same standards as they do to us, it would equalize the playing field. We men need to stop simping so easily and be much more selective in who we give attention to.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 01:35 PM
5

This. I’m a tall, classically handsome guy with a job that signals high, high income (multiple multiple six figures). I’m also in my mid 30s with my age range set to 25-35. 90% of my inbound likes are from women in their 30s. The data don’t lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 12:40 PM
1

Nah this person I could tell is a dude by the way he writes. Checking his comment history confirmed it. I will acknowledge I got heated and let my emotions get the best of me by swearing, etc. it’s pent up frustration at how incapable we all are (men and women) at having productive conversations because most people simply are not logical or analytical to the degree warranted for these very nuanced, complex topics. Men are JUST as guilty of this, if not more sometimes. It’s why I don’t really par…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/23 05:26 PM
0

My reply was to you to agree with you. I’m criticizing the person you were replying to. You got your wires crossed.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/23 03:39 PM
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You can’t make this shit up. In a comment chain around how we don’t literally mean ALL, this dunce comes in making the same tired point again. Is this real life?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/23 03:19 PM
0

Harping on because you made an irrelevant and pointless point about marketing after I brought it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/23 03:17 PM
0

You’re right, and that’s why marketing copy IS heavily vetted from legal. It’s why marketing copy NEVER states absolutes unless absolutely true. It’s always “UP TO X% off” or has some asterisk to denote the gotchas. You’re demonstrating a lack of intellect here because you’re harping on the comparison to marketing in a literal way to make another irrelevant point: that marketing can’t make false claims, DUH.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/23 02:58 PM
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The sad thing is in a way, they’re winning by causing such redirection. We’re no longer discussing the points at hand and are instead arguing over inane, bullshit semantics. Whether intentional or not on their end, they are master manipulators. Kudos to them I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/23 02:48 PM
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Once again demonstrating the inability to think critically and have a nuanced point of view. Calling it “all” is simply marketing. It’s more attention grabbing and punchy to phrase it this way. But it doesn’t mean every single woman on earth from every country from every dimension in time from inception of humanity to now follows a very specific set of behavioral traits. Just like when some dumb bimbo on TikTok bemoans how “all men are trash” i don’t interpret that to mean she thinks LITERALLY 1…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/23 02:46 PM
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I laughed watching this comment chain unravel as I expected it to. No one’s ever arguing that literally 100% or EVERY SINGLE WOMAN ON EARTH is a certain type of way. It’s like unless you explicitly say “most” they use this tired rebuke to invalidate whatever comes next. So frustrating.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/23 02:21 PM
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