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Fat, mean single mothers looking for tall, handsome, successful men with great personalities. Good luck.
/r/MGTOW24/06/17 06:20 PM
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Weeks in some cases.
/r/MGTOW24/06/17 06:14 PM
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Yup. We've done this in endless countries. So have many other countries. If each time this happened it resulted in war, the entire world would constantly be at war.
/r/MGTOW14/05/17 03:29 AM
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If you're in the top 5-10% of men in SMV, that is how it works. You can be the bull and let someone else raise your kids for you. For the rest of us we will never be the bull, and we have no desire to be the cuck. So we are dropping out.
/r/MGTOW14/05/17 03:12 AM
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Want to hear something funny? Women who get bariatric surgery get divorced within 2 year in about 80-85% of cases. The reason is that once a woman loses weight, her SMV increases and she feels she deserves better than the man who stuck with her when she was fat. it is no different than men who abandon their wives after landing a 6 figure job. They know they now deserve better. Sexual strategy is fundamentally selfish, and once you think you deserve better, you start branch swinging. For women th…
/r/MGTOW14/05/17 03:06 AM
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Are you familiar with the term 'alpha widow'? You are alpha widowizing these women, you are the best they can do so they are incentivized to be on their best behavior with you. How do these women treat ugly men? How do they treat men who are even uglier than them? If they treat men who are uglier than them with the same respect, then that is their true character. If they treat men who are ugly like dirt but treat you like gold, then once these women have a lock on you they will treat you like di…
/r/MGTOW14/05/17 02:58 AM
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Whats sad is that $37,000 isn't even a ton of money.
/r/MGTOW14/05/17 02:49 AM
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I've thought about it, but a lot of the money you spend on a house is lost too. Interest, insurance, upkeep and maintenance, etc. Those are dollars you'll never see again, the only money you keep is principal. In that regards, get a 15 year mortgage. They are much better than a 30 year.
/r/MGTOW14/05/17 02:47 AM
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It depends on environment too. Based on what women are lacking in situation X determines what traits they are attracted to. In environments where parasites are rampant, women are more attracted to good looking men (good looks are a proxy for health and a strong immune system). In environments where poverty is rampant women want guys with money. Naturally, in a post WW2 environment where security and wealth are rare, women were attracted to security and wealth. Now that they are common, women don…
/r/MGTOW14/05/17 02:38 AM
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Based on the extant studies of genetic cuckoldry, only a small minority of women actually sire children with men other than their regular mates—perhaps 10 - 12% (see Baker and Bellis, 1995; Cerda-Flores, Barton, Marty-Gonzalez, Rivas, and Chakraborty, 1999). Assuming that these figures approximate those of ancestral environments, this means that the majority of women, perhaps 88 - 90%, in fact obtain genes, investment, parenting, and partnership from the same man. However their defintion of bein…
/r/TheRedPill09/05/17 04:02 AM
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not since FDR
/r/MGTOW05/05/17 09:11 PM
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He already married a woman who spends his money, disrespects him and doesn't do anything around the house.
/r/MGTOW05/05/17 09:05 PM
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DOES DAD KNOW?
/r/MGTOW05/05/17 09:04 PM
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I'm not as good looking as I used to be, but I used to be more athletic when I was younger. I'm also naturally tall so being tall with a V shaped torso got positive responses. However women have short term & long term mating strategies. Short term is find the tall, athletic, confident guy to fuck, long term is find the stable provider. AF/BB. Anyway, when I was younger I could get more attention from women but like OP says, most were in long term relationships if not married. It wasn't that grea…
/r/MGTOW25/12/16 05:12 AM
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Even if you are in the 5% of men who are 'good enough' for these women, these women will never respect you. They will nag and use you, and the second you stop being in the top 5% (you gain weight, your face falls apart with age, you lose your job, etc) they will abandon you and take you for everything they can. It is lose/lose. Either you aren't good enough, or you are good enough to use and nag.
/r/MGTOW24/12/16 08:56 PM
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When obese women lose weight, it isn't uncommon for their marriages to break up. This is a major unspoken issue in the bariatric surgery community, the fact that lots of women will abandon their husbands when their options get better. About 80% of bariatric surgeries are performed on women, so the stats are mostly for what will happen with women. http://www.mybariatriclife.org/divorce-after-weight-loss-surgery-heres-why/ According to BariatricTV, 80-85% of patients who were obese prior to or at …
/r/MGTOW24/12/16 08:52 PM
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Yup. Men in Japan don't want to work 80-90 hours a week to raise a family. Even if they did, those jobs don't exist like they used to.
/r/MGTOW24/12/16 08:47 PM
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that sucks
/r/MGTOW20/12/16 09:40 PM
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Parents, siblings, nieces, nephews.
/r/MGTOW20/12/16 08:49 PM
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Beautiful, sane & single mother at the same time? Unless her husband was killed, you won't find those 3 at the same time in a woman.
/r/MGTOW20/12/16 08:48 PM
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I'm glad you found out. Always check up on what she is really like with her friends and family. Preferably the ones who have no incentive to lie to you. Ask her male friends about her when she isn't around to eavesdrop. Ask the husbands and boyfriends of her sisters what they think of her. If she never lets you meet her friends and family, that is a giant red flag.
/r/MGTOW20/12/16 08:46 PM
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This is why they push so hard for marriage (and to a degree, having kids), because it shifts the power to them.
/r/MGTOW20/12/16 08:42 PM
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lol
/r/MGTOW20/12/16 08:40 PM
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He lost at minimum $25 million when divorcing Ivana (probably 30-40 million total lost in his divorces) You could get a different $500 hooker every night for 140 years for 25 million.
/r/MGTOW20/12/16 03:46 AM
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Yup. TRP is a good service for this. People who know the game and want to play are red pill, people who know the game and aren't interested are MGTOW. But what is important is both groups know the game and know what is actually happening.
/r/MGTOW20/12/16 03:40 AM
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That poor SOB. She will hen peck and nag him until he is a broken shell, then she will cheat and take his money.
/r/MGTOW20/12/16 03:38 AM
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Even if you are a chad or a beta bux, they will only stick around as long as you have those things. If you are Chad and get into a car accident or develop a medical problem that causes you to lose your looks, the women will disappear. If you are beta bux and you lose your job, the women will disappear. People act like being AF or BB is inheriently desirable, but the women will abandon you once they can't use you as genetic material or resources anymore.
/r/MGTOW20/12/16 03:37 AM
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It beats the 'it takes a real man to raise another man's kids' meme they push.
/r/MGTOW20/12/16 12:08 AM
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Just say 'no one wants to date me' and then start sobbing.
/r/MGTOW20/12/16 12:06 AM
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Humans are social animals, and the animal that rises to the top of the social pyramid will have better resources, protection and mating options than those at the bottom. So this is a natural side effect of this. The best thing to do is try to channel those urges for status into something productive. In China they seem to channel it into academic success, which is something. But Chinese are even more materialistic than the west.
/r/MGTOW20/12/16 12:04 AM
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Video games require cognitive, emotional and financial investment, and they provide reward for that investment. They are competition for women
/r/MGTOW20/12/16 12:01 AM
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Wonderful.
/r/MGTOW19/12/16 10:17 PM
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I have several friends. The guy who works 90 hours a week as a businessman, whose wife works 40 in a medical office. However the housework has to be split 50/50 because to her that is 'fair'. So after working 50 hours a week more than her, he has to do half the housework and childcare too. She sometimes is asleep on the couch when he gets home from work at 9pm after she spent several hours watching TV after work. The guy tearing his body apart supporting two families (his ex and their family, hi…
/r/MGTOW19/12/16 10:13 PM
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Are you sure? You don't want a woman past her prime who resents you because she thinks she deserves better while she lumps endless demands on you to take care of her and Chad's kids? Isn't that the american dream? Right up there with working a job you hate to pay the mortgage on a house you can't afford.
/r/MGTOW17/12/16 01:59 PM
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Pretty much this, female hypergamy has made the situation undesirable for 80-90% of men. They are either left in the cold or told to be grateful for scraps.
/r/MGTOW16/12/16 01:25 PM
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Yup. Women know all about male sexual strategy, men are never taught anything about female sexual strategy. I would sadly make a good BB also. I'm not good looking enough to be AF (genetic material) but I'm educated, employed and good with kids (provider material). Had I not learned about TRP I probably would be being exploited by some single mother right now.
/r/MGTOW15/12/16 02:26 AM
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Pretty much, a guy who fawns over her is a subconscious sign that she is the best he can hope to do.
/r/MGTOW15/12/16 02:23 AM
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It is darkly ironic how self contradictory female sexual strategy is. Among other things, they deeply crave commitment but once they get it they lose sexual interest.
/r/MGTOW15/12/16 02:05 AM
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This. How can he pay her bills and raise her kids if he is busy spending all his time and money on his own kids?
/r/MGTOW13/12/16 12:10 AM
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If the most desirable 0.001% of men aren't safe, none of us are safe.
/r/MGTOW10/12/16 06:29 PM
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Women's nature is what it is, but women are individuals and some engage in the worst aspects of their programming, and some suppress their more destructive urges. I was told that women in asia and latin america may seem more ideal, but they are actually more open about hypergamy, greed and materialism. Which I guess is good in a way, because the guy knows what he is getting into. In the west, women want to be greedy and hypergamous, but also be disrespectful and cunty to men at the same time.
/r/MGTOW09/12/16 03:08 AM
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Kids don't cost a lot if you spend money on the right things Maybe not in england, but in the US you have daycare and health insurance, which costs a ton. I don't know if daycare is subsidized in the UK though.
/r/MGTOW09/12/16 01:33 AM
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It is a mix of evolution and culture. Sadly, the veneer of civilization is thin. We are pro-social monkeys that evolved from socipathically selfish solitary individuals. Men use women and women use men. Men use women for sex, women use men for resources, security and good genes. Men are dishonest, unfaithful, manipulative and liars too sadly. That is the way we are created by evolution. We have pro social tendencies, but those are iffy. As to why women seem to do it more? A big part is there is …
/r/MGTOW09/12/16 01:18 AM
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They found 60% of 30-year-old women wanted sex "often" at the beginning of a relationship, but within four years of the relationship this figure fell to under 50%, and after 20 years it dropped to about 20%. In contrast, they found the proportion of men wanting regular sex remained at between 60-80%, regardless of how long they had been in a relationship. But women, he said, have evolved to have a high sex drive when they are initially in a relationship in order to form a "pair bond" with their …
/r/MGTOW09/12/16 01:10 AM
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Yup. The more transparent they get the better. Men are utilities. We provide good genes, resources, security, protection, child care, and in this case free household labor.
/r/MGTOW08/12/16 11:41 PM
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If she can't use them for their good genes, she will use them for free labor. Those guys are sad. An asian massage starts at $40.
/r/MGTOW08/12/16 11:40 PM
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Why are some of the commenters upset about that? That is 100% accurate.
/r/MGTOW08/12/16 11:34 PM
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Same. I earn less than the guys with families, but I'm less stressed about money.
/r/MGTOW08/12/16 11:16 PM
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inse and repeat. Completely baffles me why some guys keep doing it. Society shames unmarried men. That is a big part of it, there is no cultural acceptance for the fact that some men have better lives by being unmarried or not in LTRs. Lots of guys internalize this and feel like failures unless they marry.
/r/MGTOW08/11/16 03:02 AM
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The difference between ugly and average guys wasn't big. Above average guys (7s) were also pretty much invisible.
/r/MGTOW08/11/16 02:29 AM
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One thing I'm noticing is they are trying to one up each other with virtue signaling. Did they always do that and I just didn't notice it, or is that a new thing? Hinting at how much more moral and upstanding they are than everyone else. Maybe that is how broke women one up each other. If you can't seduce Chad or show off expensive things, virtue signal to show why you are superior.
/r/MGTOW07/11/16 11:34 PM
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Income is largely meaningless in online dating. Set up 2 fake profiles, one of a guy in the most attractive 5% and one of a guy in the richest 5% (which is about 150k a year in income). Guy 1 gets tons of attention, guy 2 (the guy with money) gets none. Guy 2 may get a few used up single mothers in their 30s and 40s, but that is about it.
/r/MGTOW07/11/16 11:10 PM
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Yup. If I wanted to I could have a better dating life. I could improve my appearance, put myself out there more, approach more women, etc. I wouldn't do great because I do not have the genetics (bone structure, etc) to be ultra attractive. But I'd do better. However I've met enough women to know the rewards do not justify the investment. At the end of the day, women are either looking for a source of high quality genetics or a plowhorse.
/r/MGTOW07/11/16 11:08 PM
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I think a study found for hot guys, you swipe right 3-4 times to get a match. For every other guy (above average, average, below average, ugly) it was 120 times.
/r/MGTOW07/11/16 11:06 PM
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If you are in the most attractive 5-10% of men, yes this is how Tinder works. However 90-95% of us are not in that minority. And there is nothing wrong with it. The unspoken (and sometimes spoken) agenda that a man can't be MGTOW unless he is also in the most desirable 5-10% of male SMV is absurd. The vast majority of men are not in that minority. You have to be tall, handsome and fit without any other major blemishes (skin diseases, terrible teeth, bald, etc) to be in that minority. The vast ma…
/r/MGTOW07/11/16 11:05 PM
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1375720/What-women-really-want--money-Research-finds-women-look-paid-job-partner.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1561991/Men-seek-beauty-women-want-wealth.html
/r/MGTOW07/11/16 05:58 AM
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I'm not sure if this is the right forum. If it helps, visualize her in compromosing situations. Visualize her being made fun of and being too timid to fight back. Visualize her being pathetic and terrified of being ridiculed. Visualize her standing in front of a mirror and bullying herself for all her physical flaws. Doing that will help reduce some of the intimidation you feel. But you are both 21, I can assure you she is not 'the one'. You are a young kid who is being ruled by his hormones and…
/r/MGTOW07/11/16 05:48 AM
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She has her own money, so she doesn't need BB.
/r/MGTOW07/11/16 05:45 AM
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Guys never realize this. Articles like this are directed at the top 10% of men in SMV. The most attractive and richest. Women want their cake and to eat it too (they want an elite man with tons of options who will also commit to them and them alone), but Chad can replace her in 5 minutes so there is no incentive for him to commit. And the beat goes on. Women chase Chad, Chad has no incentive to commit, women get angry that they have to date on Chad's terms (one night stands with no commitment or…
/r/MGTOW07/11/16 04:09 AM
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They think the grass is greener, and go out trying to find a higher SMV/RMV male, and when they fail they realize the guy they dumped was probably the best they could do. Sometimes it takes 2 years.
/r/MGTOW06/11/16 11:32 PM
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East Asian women are more honest about their materialistic demands, while western women lie about them. In a way I prefer the East Asian method of just being honest. It beats the west where women pretend that sense of humor and character matter, then devote all their time to chasing hot guys and rich guys.
/r/MGTOW06/11/16 07:26 PM
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I was under the impression that Tesla offered to replace the battery pack at the 8 year mark. Other cars like the Nissan Leaf I believe said their batteries will still be at 80-90% capacity at 100k miles. https://electrek.co/2016/06/06/tesla-model-s-battery-pack-data-degradation/ Data shows that the Model S’ battery pack generally only loses about 5% of its capacity within the first 50,000 miles and then the degradation significantly slows down with higher mileage. Plug-in America’s data shows s…
/r/MGTOW04/11/16 04:05 AM
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I don't know. Bernie was a fringe candidate who managed to do pretty well. Among people under age 40, I think he won something like 65-80% of the vote. So Bernie is the future of the democratic party, which is good. The dems have tried too long to be republican-lite and it hasn't worked. I think young people, and people in general, are still going to be upset about our shit health care system, income inequality, plutocracy, etc. which are things Bernie talked about and tried to address. They wil…
/r/MGTOW04/11/16 04:01 AM
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Those of us who are MGTOW and progressive do understand it. Also which progressives are supporting a 50% income tax for anyone but the richest minority of people? Most people are not in that group. You can be politically progressive and be MGTOW. Just because I voted for Bernie Sanders doesn't mean I can't recognize that low quality women with insane demands and a misandrist legal system is a bad investment.
/r/MGTOW03/11/16 11:58 PM
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The skillset necessary to succeed is not necessarily the same, but I have no idea if they are inversely correlated. If you are lucky in business, you attract low quality women (materialistic gold diggers) so that could be part of the problem.
/r/MGTOW03/11/16 11:56 PM
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The new tesla is $35,000.
/r/MGTOW03/11/16 11:45 PM
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Free food and endless validation.
/r/MGTOW03/11/16 11:38 PM
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Asian massage parlors start at $40 where I live.
/r/MGTOW03/11/16 11:38 PM
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I'm all for Hillary.
/r/MGTOW03/11/16 02:20 AM
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I have to add this, women have a higher obesity rate than men. Zimbardo implies obesity is a male only problem. He fractures his credibility with that, blaming men for obesity and neglecting to mention women have an even worse rate. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/women-overtake-men-in-u-s-obesity-rates/ The report, based primarily on a survey conducted in 2013-14, also found a tipping of the scales toward women. Obesity rates for men and women had been roughly the same for about a decade. But in th…
/r/MGTOW02/11/16 10:08 PM
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The top comment on youtube lays it all out, they just refuse to hear it. The old social contract is gone. Men are asked to fight harder and harder for lower quality rewards. And people can't figure out why men drop out. If a guy is expected to be a successful, good looking, financially stable guy and his reward is a mean, used up, slutty single mother who can take his house, kids and retirement accounts because she got bored and had an affair, what intelligent and self respecting guy signs up fo…
/r/MGTOW02/11/16 04:07 AM
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For me, it is the following reasons: Women's demands and standards keep going up, but what they bring to the table does not. The market is full of women with caviar taste and a beer budget (fat, mean, dumb single mothers holding out for a male model with a 6 figure income). Trying to date in that market is a waste of time. No matter the outcome, if you are a man you lose. The legal system is heavily misandrist. The men I know in relationships have a lot of negatives. Women who nag them to become…
/r/MGTOW02/11/16 04:00 AM
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She is testing if she is still desirable enough to get another guy.
/r/MGTOW01/11/16 11:49 PM
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Porn is free Porn doesn't lie to the police and claim you raped it Porn doesn't have STDs Porn doesn't get pregnant Porn will perform any sexual act you want Porn is full of the most attractive 1% of women Porn doesn't nag Porn doesn't become violent Porn doesn't take your kids away You can switch off porn when you are done Porn doesn't cheat Having said that porn can't give you everything. It can't give you companionship and social interaction. That is what pets, friends and volunteer work is f…
/r/MGTOW01/11/16 02:01 AM
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Will watch later.
/r/MGTOW01/11/16 01:59 AM
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Sub Saharan Africa will see their population quadruple from 1 billion to 4 billion by 2100. Meanwhile Japan's population may be cut in half to 65 million. Japan contributes far more to science and technology than all of Sub Saharan Africa. That is why it matters. If you want to see medical devices, communications, energy tech, etc continue to advance it is important to keep nations like Japan going.
/r/MGTOW27/10/16 03:49 AM
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This sucks because Japan is a functional country. They contribute to science, math, medicine, sustainable energy, etc. The world needs more Japanese people, not less. The world has a lot of problems that it needs educated, intelligent people to help solve. A big part is the culture. Over there, unless you are a man willing to work 80-100 hours a week at a job, women don't think you are marriage material. So a lot of guys drop out. The same thing is happening in the west, women think if you aren'…
/r/MGTOW27/10/16 03:47 AM
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I make less than half of the cutoff for 6 figures, but I still save 30% of my income. I shoot for 45% on expenses, 25% in taxes, 30% in savings. You don't need 6 figures if you live alone and do not live in a large city on the coasts.
/r/MGTOW27/10/16 03:43 AM
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Some guys have those things, admitting to them isn't wrong.
/r/MGTOW27/10/16 03:42 AM
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I read an article where his wife would stay at home all day, ordering stuff online with his money and then yell at Bill when he asked her to cook and clean by saying 'I'm a feminist, I don't need to do that stuff'. Poor Bill. I think Burr just likes being miserable. Being with a decent woman or no woman would've been too low drama for him.
/r/MGTOW26/10/16 04:35 AM
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Good men too. I've met handsome, reasonably fit men with good jobs in marriages with obese single moms with bad personalities. The thirst is real.
/r/MGTOW26/10/16 04:31 AM
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Someone needs to do an 'this is what the average man does for a living' article that is full of guys making $9/hr at walmart. See how women respond to that when we demand they still find guys like that attractive.
/r/MGTOW26/10/16 04:30 AM
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Shaming and terrorizing men who are honest about the fact that they are turned off by old, fat, out of shape women.
/r/MGTOW26/10/16 03:01 AM
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The whole thing is just an effort to shame men who use the competition (porn, prostitutes, sex toys, etc).
/r/MGTOW26/10/16 02:59 AM
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Because in human history, live was very fragile and women were dependent on men for resources and protection. So women always kept their exes as backup plans in case their current guy didn't work out. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2769593/HALF-women-fall-partner-standby-fancied-case-current-relationship-turns-sour.html
/r/MGTOW24/10/16 10:33 PM
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At first, yes. But what about when that real woman turns out to be mean, or crazy, or demanding, or constantly expecting you to buy her things, or wants you to raise another man's kids, or does nothing to help around the house. I think porn makes men realize that a bad women isn't worth the sex.
/r/MGTOW23/10/16 05:06 PM
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Seeing how most other western nations have already legalized it, The US will porbably legalize it sometime in the 2040s. Being a country with a strong religious tradition sucks in many ways. At the very least, one of my neighboring states needs to legalize prostitution. I know where to find black market prostitutes already, that isn't the problem. But I prefer legal ones because they are healthier, higher quality, lower cost and there is no risk of arrest.
/r/MGTOW23/10/16 04:15 AM
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LMAO. Number 1 is be rich, but don't be a douchebag about it.
/r/MGTOW23/10/16 02:35 AM
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Yup. A generation of medium and low SMV women who have been deluded that they are high SMV due to social media, combined with a biased legal system, is what mostly drives men into MGTOW.
/r/MGTOW23/10/16 02:32 AM
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I liked this article, it was honest. Women can't compete with porn, so lets get rid of porn. Marketing 101. That is why drug dealers kill each other, if the drug dealer down the block offers crack at a cheaper price, your customers go to him instead. So get rid of him. With porn this means a mixture of shaming men who use porn, idealizing religious communities where porn is outlawed combined with attempts at legal prohibition. Also Wolf's article is from 2002. I remember 2002. Porn was still kin…
/r/MGTOW23/10/16 02:19 AM
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When women have unrealistic standards and men can't compete, men are losers. When men have unrealistic standards and women can't compete, men are mean and demanding. Gynocentrism is absurd. But what is to be expected.
/r/MGTOW23/10/16 02:15 AM
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Yup. Women are all chasing a tiny minority of handsome, athletic rich men and can't figure out why those men aren't interested in them, or dump their wives for women 30 years younger.
/r/MGTOW22/10/16 08:07 PM
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I'm reading this article, I'm really bothered by the fact that 50% of Russian men are dead by 65, and nobody cares. The only reason anybody cares is that this means there are fewer men for women to mine for resources. WTF. In America and other western nations, about 80% of men survive to be 65 years of age.
/r/MGTOW22/10/16 08:01 PM
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I love this show.
/r/MGTOW22/10/16 02:37 PM
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I own hundreds of video games, but I still love a nice game of Civ II. I own Civ III, IV and I think Civ V. But they take so long to learn, I just stay with Civ 2. On that note, has anyone beaten the Nazis while playing as Franco in Civ2? That is fun.
/r/MGTOW22/10/16 02:27 PM
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I'm honestly not comfortable going over there, it is so full of delusional people spouting lies and wishful thinking to virtue signal. Being honest and popping that bubble isn't worth it. But yes, women become less attractive with age. That is why high SMV men usually date women younger.
/r/MGTOW22/10/16 02:24 PM
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Where are the comments in that article? I don't see the big deal. I get the jist the reason they are against it is because you do not get alimony if a man divorces you in that way. Welcome to being a man in the west. Always terrified a woman will divorce you and leave you penniless.
/r/MGTOW21/10/16 02:50 AM
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We are and die, but our fertility is not affected by age nearly as much as a woman's fertility is.
/r/MGTOW18/10/16 01:29 PM
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Lots of us do not want a life of self sacrifice that is fundamentally not going to achieve anything. The people in nations we were at war with though they were fighting to defend their families and homeland too. What was the end result? A bunch of teenagers and guys in their 20s fighting and dying (or if they survived, having permanent physical and psychological wounds) to fulfill the political ambitions of people thousands of miles away from the front lines. Religion and military are not desira…
/r/MGTOW18/10/16 03:50 AM
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That guy sounds very blue pill. Men = bad, women = good is at the heart of blue pill mythos. Stopping rape is a laudible goal, but only a tiny fraction of men will ever commit a rape. All he is doing is guilting the 95% of men who'd never commit a rape anyway while having zero impact on the 5% of men who do rape.
/r/MGTOW18/10/16 03:46 AM
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The only reason a woman hits 'the wall' is because female age is tied to fertility. https://ongettingpregnant.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/female-fertility-chart.gif Men don't have this issue.
/r/MGTOW18/10/16 03:42 AM
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Rollo Tomassi said the end goal of feminism is to remove all constraints from female sexuality while shackling male sexuality. Basically, alter the legal and social system to empower female sexual strategy and punish/limit male sexual strategy. So women being able to shame men for having standards, while the women themselves have insane standards is typical. What bothers me is the shaming of men who refuse to raise another man's kids. That is bothersome.
/r/MGTOW18/10/16 03:36 AM
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He looks like Bob odenkirk if he had downs syndrome.
/r/MGTOW17/10/16 02:59 PM
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Dating has gone to hell, women keep dropping in quality but their demands keep going up. I agree, it wasn't like this even ten years ago. That is probably a major reason so many men go mgtow. They either can't get women or the women they can get demand so much but offer so little to not be worth it.
/r/MGTOW17/10/16 02:45 PM
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The vast majority of biracial children have mothers who end up on welfare http://www.city-data.com/forum/politics-other-controversies/2406597-new-study-biracial-children-black-fathers.html Also at the risk of sounding like a dick, of all the white women I know who were drawn to black guys, all were fucked up. Drug and alcohol problems, dead end careers, chronic unemployment and money problems, welfare, criminal records, mental illness. It isn't pc to say, but white women who love black men tend …
/r/MGTOW17/10/16 02:37 PM
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Yes, this. Take away a man's ability to have a family of his own and he has less incentive to direct his energies into productive activities. If anything his energies go to trying to get laid, which you do via destructive activities like trying to topple the alpha and take his throne. Lots of other men just half check out, they work the minimum of hours and do not contribute to the social organism. Not saying they should be forced to, but there are consequences of our new mating system. I don't …
/r/MGTOW17/10/16 02:29 PM
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Honest women like this are always appreciated. I like how she is even honest about sexual harassment laws, how they are only designed to keep low and medium SMV men terrified and out of sight, those rules do not apply to high SMV men.
/r/MGTOW17/10/16 02:59 AM
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No, in nations with legal prostitution there are still issues with men being thirsty, desperate manginas and women being entitled hard to deal with cunts. It won't make a difference, not nearly as much as you think.
/r/MGTOW16/10/16 02:23 PM
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TL;DR - don't be a shitty person (selfish, insecure, entitled, mean, dishonest, slutty, shallow) and men with decent characters will be more inclined to want to be with you.
/r/MGTOW16/10/16 02:21 PM
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Yup. And if you were dumb enough to marry her, she now gets your house and life savings after she cheats on you.
/r/MGTOW16/10/16 04:23 AM
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Fully agree. The fact that so many women are hypergamous today is a major reason to go MGTOW. There is no unicorn with a great personality looking to date in her league. The market is full of 5s and 6s who want to marry 8s and 9s. Also SMV follows a bell curve distribution. There are 10-20 female 5s and 6s for every male 9 or 10. There aren't enough high SMV men for all the average SMV women who think they deserve one. It is musical chairs, 20 contestants and one chair. And that assumes that a h…
/r/MGTOW16/10/16 04:18 AM
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You got voted 'Best guy to pay my bills and raise Chad's kids after my looks fade' Hurrah.
/r/MGTOW15/10/16 03:10 PM
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Assuming that conversation is real, he is the backup guy while she looks for her dream man. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2769593/HALF-women-fall-partner-standby-fancied-case-current-relationship-turns-sour.html
/r/MGTOW15/10/16 03:08 PM
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I think a lot of what people say they want they say because they are afraid of losing face for being honest. We are just monkeys trying to get each other pregnant. But we have to pretend that sense of humor, intelligence, smile, etc are the biggest factors in attraction to avoid coming across as douchebags.
/r/MGTOW15/10/16 02:54 PM
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I agree. The more MGTOW I go the less time I spend on MGTOW content. Instead I focus on my hobbies. This handle is just for MGTOW though.
/r/MGTOW15/10/16 02:51 PM
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I drink at home. I pay $9 for a 1.75L of vodka and $14 for a 1.75L of whiskey. I'm a happy camper.
/r/MGTOW15/10/16 02:49 PM
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I'm nowhere near good looking enough to be Chad, even at my genetic peak I'd barely crack the 80% mark. But I've talked to a few Chads. What they say is that women respond more positively, but the women view you as an object or status symbol. They are very transparent about it, and a lot of htem know the women wouldn't give them the time of day if they weren't beautiful. Some say it is offensive and alienating. It isn't like 'I'm a beautiful male, I can use this to get women to get to know my pe…
/r/MGTOW15/10/16 02:45 PM
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Confidence is social proof. Every morning I put on my shoes with confidence, because I have successfully done so thousands of times. If a man is confident around women, that is taken as a sign that he has a positive track record of women responding positively to him and he has options so he can afford to lose the girl he is talking to. A guy who sputters and appears insecure is taken as a sign that he has been rejected many times and doesn't have other options. Its just social proof (confident =…
/r/MGTOW15/10/16 02:41 PM
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Men are waking up, there are some really wise red pill responses there. No wonder women hate mgtow and red pill, men who swallow the pill see though the woman's strategy and reject it. Women need clueless white Knights to exploit. She sounds like a stereotypical Epiphany phase woman as Rollo would say.
/r/MGTOW13/10/16 02:22 AM
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Tell it to the guys on the Duke Lacrosse team.
/r/MGTOW12/10/16 01:59 AM
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Women provide companionship, sex, children and household care. Guys are finding ways to do that themselves or find platonic ways to achieve them.
/r/MGTOW11/10/16 10:32 PM
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Trump has committed many crimes. https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughTrumpSpam/comments/4sv46y/a_final_response_to_the_tell_me_why_trump_is_a/ The fact that Trump is a narcissist matters because people with NPD are very easy to manipulate, they are delusional, they have no empathy for others, they refuse to take advice, etc. Hillary probably has a huge ego, but she isn't delusional like Trump. Trump is genuinely mentally ill with Narcissistic Personality Disorder. If you think a hatred of women doesn…
/r/MGTOW11/10/16 10:23 PM
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Not all of us hate women so much we want a delusional autocratic narcissist like Trump in charge just so long as he has the right set of genitals.
/r/MGTOW11/10/16 09:40 PM
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Yup, I'm voting for her. She is superior to Trump, who is too emotionally unstable and mentally limited to be president. Trump reminds me of a grown up Eric Cartman. I don't want him as president.
/r/MGTOW11/10/16 03:09 AM
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Yeah but they can't get what they really want. They want high SMV men to fight to commit to and invest in them. That is something they can't get online.
/r/MGTOW11/10/16 03:05 AM
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Here is a thought experiment. Create three profiles. Extremely high SMV man (10/10). Average SMV man (5/10) Bottom of the barrel SMV man (1/10). The 1/10 guy could be obese with bad skin, unemployed, openly talk about his various illnesses and health problems, etc. Use each to insult women, see what the results are. I'd be interested. How do women respond when a 10/10 male insults them vs a 1/10? I'd bet they go into a rage when the 1/10 insults them. People are fun.
/r/MGTOW11/10/16 03:03 AM
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Online dating inflates female SMV and deflates male SMV. It is best to avoid it all together if you are a male. It makes women egotistical and men desperate.
/r/MGTOW11/10/16 03:01 AM
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Like sending an email that says only "Hi". Yup. Women do the following if you are a hot man. Sending messages with zero content other than 'hi' or 'hello' Getting angry when they get rejected and insulting you Making sexual comments in their first message Claiming everyone else on the site is a loser but you Women do so much of that shit, way worse than men because the women don't have to work for it and do not experience negative repercussions for acting that way.
/r/MGTOW11/10/16 02:52 AM
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I'm not sure how. But a lot of guys here have stories of shacking up with women who were borderlines, narcissists, histrionics, sociopathic, etc. There are a lot of bad things women can do, but when a guy says AWALT and has an example of a horrible woman, the woman many times sounds like she has something on the cluster B spectrum. But most women are not diagnosed cluster B, only about 10% are. But they seem to come up a whooooole lot in MGTOW and TRP. But if you date 5 women, there is a 50% cha…
/r/MGTOW10/10/16 02:47 AM
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Cluster B women are like the wrong way sign that lead men to MGTOW.
/r/MGTOW09/10/16 09:33 PM
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Evolution may not give a shit, but I do. Intelligent people are necessary to have science and technology. Without those things we go back to living in caves and being subsistence farmers.
/r/MGTOW09/10/16 08:27 PM
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What we want our normal girls who date normal men and put in equally to the relationship and cannot take more then their fair share if it ends. Women want disney princes to sweep them off their feet and despite those princes having extremely high SMV and endless options, only wanting her and her alone. Point being, its a fantasy. And the real world isn't as safe or fulfilling as the fantasy we were fed when we were young. One way to think about it is how environment can change rapidly and genes …
/r/MGTOW09/10/16 12:30 PM
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Good article, but it impies that being a man women want necessarily means you are a productive or useful man. That isn't true. While some men that women chase after are 'good' (extremely attractive men whose physical attractiveness is a sign of good genes, men who have lots of power and resources) women also go for dysfunctional bad boys. Which means that the DNA of dysfunctional criminals is spreading in society too. But yeah, it sucks. Most men aren't in the top 5-20%. And human capital that c…
/r/MGTOW09/10/16 12:26 PM
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Neither. Trump is a narcissistic imbecile. Pitt is a damaged pretty boy.
/r/MGTOW09/10/16 04:02 AM
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Women in NYC engage in hypergamy on steroids.
/r/MGTOW09/10/16 04:01 AM
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There sadly is some truth to this. The argument is that women are more likely to have social networks outside of their dating relationships. They have a bigger social network with stronger social bonds outside of their mating lives. That is actually true, and toxic masculinity plays a role in this because men aren't allowed to ask for help. FWIW, this seems to be the article they are talking about. It is all just one woman's testimonial, no evidence of her views. Also there is an obivious misand…
/r/MGTOW08/10/16 10:19 PM
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I think what passes for romance is at its core an attempt to assuage our deepest seated fears about interacting with the opposite gender. What do women fear? Being abandoned by their men, not scoring a high enough SMV man. A man who uses her for sex and abandons her. What do men fear? A woman who views him as a utility rather than a person, who branch swings at the first sign of trouble and who has no loyalty other than what he can do for her. Being invisible and unwanted. If you look at what pa…
/r/MGTOW08/10/16 10:12 PM
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I think lots of guys go through the motions of PUA to TRP to MGTOW. Learning about female mating and what it actually entails is very demoralizing. they are far more calculating than men could ever be about mating. But yeah, having to accept that the comforting delusions you had aren't true can be hard.
/r/MGTOW08/10/16 10:09 PM
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There are no numbers in that post. Here is a post with some numbers. Jude Law (like Brad Pitt, Johnny Depp, etc) is extremely high SMV. Didn't protect him from a crazy, abusive woman with the power of the state behind her. http://forums.thefashionspot.com/f63/jude-pays-sadie-18-million-9355.html The Sky Captain And The World Of Tomorrow actor will give his 37- year-old ex-wife the $9 million London house they bought together, as well as pay for their three children's educations, the costs of the…
/r/MGTOW08/10/16 08:39 PM
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Marriage rates have been declining. http://www.stateofourunions.org/2011/images/fig-si-02.png However I don't know if LTRs out of wedlock have been increasing at the same time.
/r/MGTOW08/10/16 05:29 AM
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Society will continue to divide into MGTOW men and manginas. Most men who aren't in the most desirable top percent will have that choice, either go MGTOW or become a supplicating beta who gets used and tossed aside.
/r/MGTOW08/10/16 05:01 AM
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A metaphor I've heard is would you hire an employee who could quit at any time, but demand you keep paying them a salary.
/r/MGTOW07/10/16 11:58 PM
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It is a lopsided contract. That is the problem. If we had a system where assets were not divided, and where children were evenly split it wouldn't be so bad. The only situation where it works is if the woman earns an equal or extra money than the husband. At least in that situation, some of the gender biases in the courts are counterbalanced.
/r/MGTOW07/10/16 11:57 PM
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I think Burr is addicted to drama. He is too smart to get sucked into this. I think on some level Burr likes being angry and living a dramatic life just based on how his personality works in his specials. A low maintenance life wouldn't suit him, no matter how many red pills he swallowed.
/r/MGTOW07/10/16 11:56 PM
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People say it is exaggerated, but this is the end goal of third wave feminism. An environment where spineless men pay for women and their children while the women have with other men. Just wait. They are going to push more and more to shame men who refuse to participate in these kinds of relationships.
/r/MGTOW07/10/16 11:46 PM
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Read up on some David Buss, he is excellent for this info.
/r/MGTOW07/10/16 04:31 AM
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80% of people never reach the 20%. It is really more the 95/5 rule, being in the top 20% just gets your foot in the door. When you factor in the emotional and financial costs of chasing women, renting is cheaper and easier.
/r/MGTOW07/10/16 04:27 AM
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I'm a beta, I don't mind. My point is that betas are getting screwed badly in the mating market. Women ignore them while they chase Chad, and then after the woman's looks have faded, her mind is bitter and resentful, she has a kid, and Chad doesn't want her then all of a sudden Billy Beta is good enough (or more honestly, his surplus money and time is good enough to siphon off). Lots of betas know on some level that they are getting screwed, but until they discovered MGTOW or TRP they can't real…
/r/MGTOW07/10/16 04:26 AM
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I consider myself a red pill aware beta. Beta in the sense that I'm a second tier male. Not on the first teir with the guys women actually want, I'm on the second teir of the guys they want after their looks fade and they need someone to clean up the mess. Ugh. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of MGTOWers are guys who are basically just red pill aware 'betas' (men in the 50-80% of SMV)
/r/MGTOW07/10/16 01:36 AM
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She is trying to set you up as a backup. Women need a backup male.
/r/MGTOW07/10/16 01:31 AM
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This subreddit isn't so much for tips on sexual strategy, red pill is more for that. Having said that, people want someone who can produce the most kids, and the highest quality kids, who survive to adulthood and reproduce themselves. All the traits we look for as both men and women fundamentally come back to that. Once you understand that you can (for the most part because people are complex) use deductive reasoning to figure out everything else.
/r/MGTOW07/10/16 01:28 AM
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I made a post there, just got banned too. Reading some of the threads, the most upvoted comments are ones that reinforce 'conventional wisdom', which means there isn't much as far as novel info to gain. I wonder what all subs I am banned from.
/r/MGTOW06/10/16 02:05 AM
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Have you been tested for depression? I felt the same way when suffering from sub-clinical depression but those feelings of boredom lifted after I got treated for my depression.
/r/MGTOW06/10/16 02:03 AM
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Men may have low standards for one night stands, but we have high standards for relationships (if we are wise). Not wanting to wife up a slut is a very good idea for many reasons. It isn't just the higher divorce rate (I've seen the same stats) is it that she is more likely to be alpha widowed, more likely to cheat, more likely to cuckold, etc.
/r/MGTOW05/10/16 10:50 PM
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Plenty of whales
/r/MGTOW05/10/16 10:48 PM
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I did that for fun once, created a profile of a 10/10 male and when women wrote I explained they were too old since I wanted to start a family. Some got real pissed. Women like to say men do not handle rejection well, but women have never had to even learn how. When they do finally get rejected, they don't take it well (especially on an online dating site where endless guys are begging them for a conversation).
/r/MGTOW05/10/16 10:46 PM
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Why would you quit mental health programs and psych meds? If they are improving your quality of life, stick with them. Are they not helping? I've had very good luck with depression, PTSD and anxiety with therapy and meds.
/r/MGTOW05/10/16 10:36 PM
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The Punisher. The Dolph Lundgren version from 89.
/r/MGTOW05/10/16 10:34 PM
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Women have a wall becasue female fertility is tied to age. https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-8e31f1d9cd5e7e0b7e4812fddcb7ffa2?convert_to_webp=true Men do not have the same thing. Our SMV is based on a wider range of things.
/r/MGTOW05/10/16 10:28 PM
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The problem is due to women's ego inflation on those sites, women who are over 30 who wear a size 16 dress think that guy is their equal (handsome, fit, tall, educated, six figure income). He punctured that delusion and it fills the women with rage. I think that is why women reacted badly, he didn't feed their delusions about those women's inflated smv. He called a spade a spade and said they weren't good enough for him. Also women have a shit load of checklists on those sites. Not sure why they…
/r/MGTOW05/10/16 07:44 PM
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Yup.
/r/MGTOW05/10/16 07:40 PM
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Do you take this out in the forests? What I'd love to do is go dirt bike camping. Carry all my camping stuff on a dirt bike and camp out there.
/r/MGTOW05/10/16 07:36 PM
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I'm surprised so many people are aware Pitt and Depp are victims of cluster B women. They tried to pretend to be victims, but many people are seeing through it. There are white knights obviously, but just glancing at the comment sections on news articles, most people know the guys are getting fucked. I guess that is good.
/r/MGTOW05/10/16 12:51 AM
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I admire the honesty of this graph because it shows a womans physical peak it in her early 20s. That is also when her fertility is at its highest (it starts to decline at 24 and ends around age 50).
/r/MGTOW05/10/16 12:45 AM
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My comment was sarcastic, Pitt is in the top 0.01% of male SMV. There really isn't much he can do to improve. Rich, famous, respected, extremely handsome, athletic. Unless he got surgery to make himself 6'2", there isn't much he can do.
/r/MGTOW04/10/16 10:05 PM
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An accusation is all it takes anymore.
/r/MGTOW04/10/16 10:03 PM
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Improve your SMV, that'll keep women in line.
/r/MGTOW04/10/16 09:57 PM
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Yup. That and Johnny Depp (who married an abusive sociopath who set him up). Two of the highest SMV men out there were set up by cluster B women. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cluster_B_personality_disorders
/r/MGTOW04/10/16 03:08 AM
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I'm sure that is when you hear the stories that she is a self made woman, how her ex husband abused and abandoned her, how men are pigs who only want sex.
/r/MGTOW04/10/16 03:07 AM
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I've seen this script too. Once the kids are grown up a bit, she divorces him and uses lawyers to get his wealth. Then back on the CC she goes.
/r/MGTOW04/10/16 02:46 AM
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The bottom 80% will focus on video games, porn and masturbation. If they are 'lucky' some woman who wasted her best years chasing Chad will settle for him after she hits the wall.
/r/MGTOW04/10/16 02:35 AM
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Women 'love' you as long as you are a good return on her investment and her best realistic option.
/r/MGTOW04/10/16 02:34 AM
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Friends, family, volunteer work, pets. If you want a woman, that is fine. You can get a girlfriend without marriage.
/r/MGTOW04/10/16 02:32 AM
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That video is fucking stupid: "What if your guest is drunk but wants tea. Do you serve them? What if they keep asking for tea? What if you are both drunk and both want tea?" "What if they ask for tea, then two years later decide they didn't want it"? "What if they ask for tea with sugar, but you put sweet n low in it instead"? "What if they are on a diet and not supposed to drink tea, but ask for some anyway. And when they get caught cheating on their diet, pretend you forced them to drink it"? …
/r/MGTOW04/10/16 02:27 AM
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Women are not wired the way we are. A man can be content with friends and FWBs or hookers. A woman needs to use her feminine wiles to seduce a man and convince that man to commit to her and invest in her and their offspring. Because of that women can't go their own way the way we can, at least not as easily.
/r/MGTOW04/10/16 02:24 AM
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I'm sure a doctor is going to want to keep a 40 year old nurse as a LTR too. Don't be surprised if her soulmate runs out on her, and she has a crisis when she realizes what she threw away. It seems to be a pattern: Woman is unfulfilled Woman chases guy out of her league Woman gives up husband and family for new guy Guy out of her league dumps her She has crisis, wants to get family back together Generally when a monkey branch swings, they make sure they can still grab the old branch in case the …
/r/MGTOW03/10/16 10:02 PM
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That site is slow as hell. Here is the list: Orgasms Emotional tampon Fix her car and home Pay all her bills Pay for her meals out Her backup date Raise Chad's kids Running errands Being a chauffeur
/r/MGTOW03/10/16 09:59 PM
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"I got fucked at a drunken party with a guy I barely knew, neither of us used birth control and the guy has no interest in raising his kid. So you and my parents can raise him, I want to go back to partying"
/r/MGTOW03/10/16 09:52 PM
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They do that stuff because they know people will fix their lives when they fuck up. Parents, white knights, the government, etc will all step in to clean up the mess they make.
/r/MGTOW03/10/16 09:51 PM
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I enjoy my privacy and autonomy.
/r/MGTOW03/10/16 09:48 PM
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Sex and food. I'm starting to think the bible was onto something with its 7 deadly sins. Envy, greed, gluttony, sloth, pride, anger, lust.
/r/MGTOW03/10/16 09:47 PM
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https://manboobz.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/slide12.jpg Yup, the top man is too busy with a harem of 6s, 7s and 8s to commit to a woman. Besides a 10/10 woman wants an 11/10 man. Red pill once posted a scientific article about how men who become physcians see an increase in their mating lives, women see a decrease. Men develop status and income after becoming a doctor, all women do is find themselves aged 30+ on a market where only 1-2% of men are good enough for them (have equal or higher SES)…
/r/MGTOW03/10/16 09:32 PM
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About 10% of women look good in those costumes.
/r/MGTOW03/10/16 02:35 AM
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This also why you should lift and take good care of yourself - not for women, but men respect you more and that makes a lot of things much easier. Valid points. The more value you have the more deferential and respectful other people are even when it isn't sexual in nature. My problem is I am an intellectual (in the sense that I prefer to live inside my own head). I am the kind of person that'd be happy to spend 3 days reading and debating, and not comb my hair the entire time. It is hard for me…
/r/MGTOW03/10/16 02:09 AM
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Only mildly. It goes up about $500 per inch, so a man who is 6'2" earns on average $2500 a year more than a guy who is 5'9". That isn't a ton of money, that is like an extra $1.25 an hour in salary.
/r/MGTOW03/10/16 02:08 AM
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Camper vans are a lot cheaper than that. I've seen used class B & C motor homes for under 10k. Supposedly you can make a go of it for $500-1000 a month in a motor home. Sounds like a decent life, but I'd rather try it out first to see I don't get bored.
/r/MGTOW02/10/16 09:46 PM
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I thought about that too. But I think i'd prefer a camper van. My concerns are electricity, water and security (criminals, cops). I know there are subreddits devoted to this subject, but I'm not sure how people figured out all 3 and still manage to be mobile. Solar panels and batteries for electricity. Being frugal with water and having a large water tank for the water issue. But security seems tough. Being hassled by cops or having people break in sucks.
/r/MGTOW02/10/16 08:58 PM
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To an entitled cunt no less. There was an article about her, she would stay at home all day and spend his money, but when he wanted her to cook and clean she'd yell at him and say 'I"m a feminist, I don't have to do that'. Also he married her because he felt shame about calling her 'his girlfriend'. He felt unmarried men are shameful. He discussed this in his latest comedy special. I love Bill Burr's comedy, but he really fucked up on this issue.
/r/MGTOW02/10/16 08:56 PM
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I didn't watch the trailer yet, is it just a feminist hit piece deriding TRP and MGTOW as losers, rapists, misogynists, etc?
/r/MGTOW02/10/16 08:54 PM
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What price victory, Madam Feminist? Don't worry, they'll find a way to blame men when they have tens of millions of angry, bitter unmarried women roaming around in a decade. It was porns fault. It was video games fault. They'll never accept the blame that they priced themselves out of the market for quality relationships (ie anything other than a pump n dump).
/r/MGTOW02/10/16 06:38 PM
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Possibly. As a man if your SMV goes up enough, you have a stronger incentive to keep it going up. So i'd assume high SMV men are also more likely to do things ilke work out and take care of their clothes and faces. But again, even if it is 1 in 200 men, is she the most desirable woman out of 200? Not even close.
/r/MGTOW02/10/16 05:56 PM
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I agree. This is not a fair line of reasoning the school has come up with. Men = bad, women = good is their line of reasoning. but both toxic masculinity and toxic feminity are major issues. When a woman abuses a man, knowing he can't fight back because the police and white knights will terrorize him that is toxic feminity. Women do not have any outlets for people to call them out on their toxic feminity other than the manosphere.
/r/MGTOW02/10/16 05:42 PM
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I'm actually in favor of this if it is voluntary. Toxic masculinity is a problem. The issue is they need one for women too to discuss toxic feminity. The entitlement, abusing the biases in the legal system, the back stabbing, unable to hold together genuine friendships, hypergamy that leaves a woman empty handed, viewing men as objects to use for validation and money, etc. These are all signs of toxic feminity and they should be addressed.
/r/MGTOW02/10/16 05:05 PM
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I love this line of questioning. What I like to do (at least online, I haven't met women in person who let me do this) is construct a drake equation for the man they want. Example: She says she wants a man who is tall, good income, handsome, good personality. Fine and good. 20% of men are tall, 20% have a good income, 20% are handsome, 30% have a good personality. 0.2x0.2x0.2x0.3= 1 in 416 men hit all 4 criteria. She is asking for the most desirable man in a group of 400. What does she bring to …
/r/MGTOW02/10/16 04:41 PM
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I really think it was just the money. Courtney killed him because he wanted a divorce and he wanted to cut her out of his will. Now Courtney is worth half a billion dollars. Had Kurt not 'killed himself', Courtney Love would be living in a trailer park somewhere.
/r/MGTOW02/10/16 03:04 PM
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A nuclear plant and global warming will not destroy the human race. You'd need to kill all 7 billion people for that. Global warming will cause problems, but it will not end the human race. Neither will a failed nuclear plant.
/r/MGTOW02/10/16 02:17 PM
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To a degree, I think you are right. There is a term, MSTOW. Men Sent Their Own Way. Basically men who got rejected from the dating market and are bitter. There are also a lot of men here who got burnt really bad and are very angry because of it (an ex who lied to the police, a bad divorce, cheated on when in love, etc). Personally I can get women, but it is a lot of work. Even when I do get them, I can't get the kinds of relationships I want with the kinds of women I want. However, that describe…
/r/MGTOW02/10/16 04:23 AM
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We are reaching a point where nothing can drive us extinct. We will advance to the point where we can travel outside this universe and roam the multiverse probably in a century or two. The universe doesn't 'need' us, but look at all the diversity there is on earth in biology and machines (all the media we create with our machines). Imagine a universe with quintillions of times more diversity than what it has now. That is what the universe will look like in the future.
/r/MGTOW02/10/16 04:21 AM
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I love humanity, or really I love human capital. I love talented humans. Intelligent, ambitious, funny, creative, etc. It follows a power law distribution. Most people are unremarkable. Some are reasonably talented at something valuable. A smaller % are really talented. An even smaller % are hyper talented. An even smaller % are game changing talented. I don't hate humanity, I think humanity will use biotechnology and machine technology to transcend these limited biological bodies we have. That'…
/r/MGTOW02/10/16 03:02 AM
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There are different kinds of MGTOWs. Some people ridicule MGTOW for having levels, but in a way there are levels. Married men who went MGTOW after the marriage but can't escape Men in LTRs but who do not marry Men who date and plate, but do not want LTRs. Men who only get sexual interaction with escorts. Men who shun female friends and coworkers Men who shun society at large etc I don't hate women. Some guys here do, some do not. Women have been some of my best friends over the years. My social …
/r/MGTOW02/10/16 02:24 AM
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Yup. Society is better off when men invest their time, money and energy into raising children than a society where they invest time, money and energy in trying to be the most attractive 5% of men so they can get laid in nightclubs.
/r/MGTOW02/10/16 02:07 AM
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You probably need monogamy to keep a society functioning. One where most men are locked out of the mating market is one where men will become unstable. Plus men locked out will devote their energies to trying to become one of the top 20% of men (which is a losing proposition, since no matter how much you improve, only 20% of men can be in the top 20%), energies that in other cultures they would devote to supporting a family. I don't think feminism and the sexual revolution will destroy society. …
/r/MGTOW02/10/16 01:49 AM
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Some poor bastard signed a legally binding contract (marriage) with that woman.
/r/MGTOW02/10/16 01:40 AM
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I've been told by women that I have a very large dick. Some have a large one, some a small. The fact that critics have nothing but body shaming to intimidate MGTOW men is very telling. Also, lots of these same people whine and complain if anyone body shames them.
/r/MGTOW02/10/16 01:37 AM
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Pretty much. I understand sexual strategy, but that doesn't mean I like it. More importantly, I have no desire to clean up a woman's mess of her life when she is in her 30s (which is what most women who try to snag a guy out of their league end up with: hurt feelings, kids and a giant mess).
/r/MGTOW02/10/16 01:36 AM
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Ok. Are you willing to stop blaming 65 year old men who want to fuck 16 year old girls? Because that is an evolved instinct too.
/r/MGTOW02/10/16 01:34 AM
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Look at me, Im pretty But don't you dare mention this fact. I can do anything in my power to draw attention to my body, but nobody is allowed to mention this. Except the top 5% of men. They can. Ah feminism. removing responsibility from women's bad decisions for decades.
/r/MGTOW02/10/16 01:27 AM
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I have a blue pill friend. I talk to him about marriage (he wants to get married again. First one and the 50k she took didn't wake him up). He knows marriage is a bad deal for men, but he believes a man isn't really a 'man' unless he is married. So I guess he will marry another crazy chick who will take him for 50k like the last one. Blue Pill men, when you talk to them, know the legal system is stacked against them and that the female narrative (women are deeply evolved creatures who only care …
/r/MGTOW02/10/16 01:24 AM
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I don't have a hatred for women. I think they've priced themselves out of the dating market, and I think the level of dysfunction they bring to the table (entitlement, rudeness, flakiness, neuroticism, tediousness, etc) makes them a bad idea for serious romantic relationships much of the time. But I don't hate them for it. I have female friends and female coworkers like most people. I'm really just not good with women. People are good and bad at different things. There are things I'm great at, a…
/r/MGTOW02/10/16 01:14 AM
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A lot of men, sadly, believe that unless a man marries he is a failure. MGTOW hopefully encourages men to believe that you can go your whole life unmarried and still be a success and complete as a man. It is a stigma, a stigma that ruins mens lives, that they 'need' to be married and 'need' to be in a long term relationship to qualify as a man and quality as an adult.
/r/MGTOW01/10/16 07:14 PM
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Congrats for standing up for yourself. A lot of guys would've paid her $400 just so she would pretend to want to have sex with them.
/r/MGTOW01/10/16 07:11 PM
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Sorry, edited my post.
/r/MGTOW01/10/16 06:49 PM
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not true
/r/MGTOW01/10/16 02:34 PM
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There has to be more to sexual attraction than just SMV. I know studies have found that people can smell how compatible your immune system is based on your sweat. So people look for mates whose immune systems are compatible so their children are healthy. People can even tell if your political beliefs are compatible based on smelling your sweat and people prefer those with similar beliefs since this will reduce conflict. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_odour_and_sexual_attraction http://www.me…
/r/MGTOW01/10/16 12:34 PM
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This is for a lower end club. The Caligula is an 'all you can fuck' brothel where for $100 or so you get all the food, alcohol and sex you want for a set time period (I forget how many hours). So the escorts there aren't as good obviously, but they are still 6s and 7s. NSFW LINKS BELOW. http://www.caligula-berlin.de/bordell.html I'm trying to find a better brothel, one where the escorts are all 18-25 year old eastern european girls. I've seen photo gallerys of them before, the women are higher q…
/r/MGTOW01/10/16 12:25 PM
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Pics of German prostitutes?
/r/MGTOW01/10/16 01:48 AM
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How did you rid yourself of it? I still find myself wanting it.
/r/MGTOW01/10/16 01:46 AM
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Women barter their sexuality for things of value that men possess. Good genes. Resources. Security. Protection. All men pay in one form or another in the sense that they must offer something of value to access a woman's sexuality. Prostitution is just the most straightforward way to pay. It is also arguably cheaper.
/r/MGTOW01/10/16 01:33 AM
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Want to know the real reason so 'many' guys have one night stands? Because the 5-10% of high SMV men you are willing to have one night stands with can replace you. He is a 9, you are a 6. He can get another 6 in ten minutes. The unwritten implication of this article is that the man and woman are 'equals'. they are not. The man is probably way out of the woman's league. Women are pissed that men out of their league won't commit. Which is stupid, but what is expected. He won't commit to anything b…
/r/MGTOW01/10/16 12:41 AM
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I'm the opposite of you. Women never came easy for me when I want them. Even if and when I improve my smv, they never came easy. That is one reason I go mgtow. I know tons about game, tons about sexual strategy, but I'm not good at attracting women. Never was. My fear is I will get desperate and settle for some poorly educated, abusive gold digger because I'm afraid that is all I can get. So I'd rather go my own way. Very few modern women are LTR material, and I do not have faith in my ability t…
/r/MGTOW30/09/16 07:55 PM
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eh. None of that stuff fixes an existential crisis.
/r/MGTOW30/09/16 05:47 PM
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I've met guys in their 50s who think like this. I find it sad.
/r/MGTOW30/09/16 05:45 PM
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At the end of the day, guys who chase pussy aren't actually after pussy. They are after female validation. A prostitute offers pussy w/o validation.
/r/MGTOW30/09/16 05:44 PM
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There are 4 kinds of men who get lots of pussy IMO. High SMV men (the vast majority of us are not and never will be high SMV). Men in commited relationships with high libido women (lots of pussy, but the same pussy). Men who make getting pussy their driving ambition in life. They devote endless thousands of dollars and hours to it. Guys who hit on 5,000 women a year. Guys that rent. Of the 4 options, number 4 seems like the most realistic and least hassle if the urge comes up.
/r/MGTOW30/09/16 05:44 PM
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Seriously tho, it's not rocket science.. Ethier be rich or ripped.. True, but since the vast majority of men are neither rich/famous or extremely good looking, they have to sell the delusion of 'game' to make the other 90% of men think game it all it takes to get a woman. Nope. Game alone will (temporarily) get the small minority of women with low self esteem who crave validation but that is it. Women like SMV. Women like her and other PUA coaches sell desperate people the delusion that game mak…
/r/MGTOW30/09/16 05:35 PM
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No seriously. Kurt Cobain was worth 100 million plus at the time, and was planning to divorce Courtney and change his will to leave her nothing. Then a few days later he shoots up 3 times the lethal dose of heroin and shoots himself in the head with a gun that ejects the bullet in the opposite direction of the angle of the gun. Plus his suicide note contained writing that matches a practice sheet Courtney love had where she was trying to duplicate his handwriting. The ex chief of seattle PD said…
/r/MGTOW30/09/16 05:29 PM
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Links are dead.
/r/MGTOW30/09/16 01:15 AM
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Supporting 1 person is much easier than supporting 4.
/r/MGTOW30/09/16 01:07 AM
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"Why are the plowhorses lounging by the lake rather than toiling on the fields"
/r/MGTOW30/09/16 01:07 AM
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What a shame he blew his brains out his wife hired someone to blow his brains out before he could finalize the divorce and change his will at 27.
/r/MGTOW30/09/16 01:04 AM
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I have been relistening to Utero and Unplugged a lot recently. Sad we missed so much more music he could've made.
/r/MGTOW30/09/16 01:03 AM
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Things like this are what will end divorce rape. Once women start feeling the pain, the laws will change. It sucks, but its true.
/r/MGTOW30/09/16 01:03 AM
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Here in the US it can cost a lot for health insurance. $1000 a month for a high deductible plan for someone in their 50s is not unheard of.
/r/MGTOW29/09/16 03:07 AM
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It depends on the MGTOWer. It really does. For me, I have female friends. However marriage is a losing proposition for men in today's legal climate, and today's social climate rewards women for being low quality mates with endless validation no matter how little they bring to the table. So I wouldn't say no woman is worth my time, but as far as dating its really not worth the effort. It is more of a sifting issue like you say. There are good women and bad women in society. But society doesn't pe…
/r/MGTOW29/09/16 02:38 AM
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It depends on how much health care costs. Also whether I'd be willing to live with roommates. If I lived alone, I could probably get by for a little over a grand a month (excluding health care) if I owned a home outright.
/r/MGTOW29/09/16 02:36 AM
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They think it will get them laid.
/r/MGTOW28/09/16 03:19 AM
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I'd let a dog fuck me for a million dollars. I'd never have to work again, and I could easily pay for my therapy with my investment income.
/r/MGTOW28/09/16 12:32 AM
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About 10-15% of marriages are mutually happy. The rest end in divorce, cheating, apathy, hate for each other, etc.
/r/MGTOW28/09/16 12:30 AM
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I can think of only 2 situations where a man should marry. If his wife has far more income and wealth than him. If his wife lives in a country that is more developed than his own and he can get citizenship (a guy from India marrying a woman from Germany for example, then him moving to Germany). Other than that, no. Marriage is a losing proposition for men in other situations.
/r/MGTOW28/09/16 12:27 AM
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The situation isn't as dire as red pill would have you believe. Something like 80% of men get married. Lots of betas have kids, nothing wrong with that. Part of what motivates guys in MGTOW (among other reasons) is the idea of having to invest large amounts of time, money and energy in a woman when our reward is Chad's sloppy seconds and to get to raise his kids for him is repulsive.
/r/MGTOW28/09/16 12:25 AM
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Lots of men are varying shades of MGTOW without knowing it. In today's climate with the biased legal system and women who exaggerate how desirable they are as mates, most rational men are starting to lean MGTOW even if they've never heard of the term.
/r/MGTOW27/09/16 11:11 PM
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Yup. Not only are you taking away the power she has, you are looking at women far younger and hotter than her who have forms of sex she'd never agree to and who do not make any demands of the men.
/r/MGTOW27/09/16 10:54 PM
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12-14% is gross on a woman, she looks like a guy with A cups at that point. 20-25% is ideal. Even the woman at 30% looked good in this photo. http://www.builtlean.com/2012/09/24/body-fat-percentage-men-women/
/r/MGTOW27/09/16 10:47 PM
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Its the wall. Once she hits 30 she starts thinking the following about her husband or LTR 'is this the best I can do, because my SMV is going to start falling off a cliff soon. If I didn't get the best deal I could I'm going to regret it the rest of my life'.
/r/MGTOW27/09/16 10:44 PM
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Men don't want to get married in the first place, women don't want to stay married after the wedding. I predict this will end well.
/r/MGTOW27/09/16 10:42 PM
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Yup, forgot. Watching third wave feminists try to figure out what they were supposed to say and whose side to take when muslim men were sexually assaulting white women in europe was interesting.
/r/MGTOW27/09/16 09:57 PM
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Is this the Rollo Tomassi? If so, nice. I bought a few of your books. I think you were what brought me into the manosphere a year ago. Having said that, I read your article. Something as simple as reducing/eliminating welfare, not splitting assets in a divorce (so the husband's assets remain his) and ending/limiting financial support from the man after a divorce (alimony, mandatory child support) would go a very long way to bringing hypergamy back under control. Since modern women know that they…
/r/MGTOW26/09/16 04:47 AM
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As was I
/r/MGTOW26/09/16 03:16 AM
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As a guy who has never been married, if anyone asks 'why do MGTOWers talk about women so much' it is because of this. Because for guys like me who have never been married, reading these horror stories helps me realize I made the right choice.
/r/MGTOW26/09/16 02:48 AM
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The problem is that when people actually want to learn about interesting hobbies or life plans, we go to other subreddits for that. This one is mostly for discussing why we went MGTOW in the first place. If I want to discuss my cars, I'll go to the car subreddit.
/r/MGTOW26/09/16 02:46 AM
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You have to understand that for those of us who are MGTOW, 99% of our lives are actually spent going MGTOW. I go to work, I save money, I have my luxury items, I have my entertainment and hobbies, I have friends and meaningful relationships with people, etc. Only a small fraction of my life is actually spent talking about this stuff. Places like this are just where I go to get camaraderie and vent. Also, MGTOWers who actually go MGTOW don't go here to post that. We go to subreddits like personal…
/r/MGTOW26/09/16 02:40 AM
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Nope, just women when they abuse men. Get with the times. http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ronda-rousey--admits-beating-up-her-ex--so-should-we-be-outraged-201418914.html Ronda Rousey wrote in "My Fight, Your Fight" that she slapped her boyfriend across the face "so hard my hand hurt," "punched him in the face with a straight right, then a left hook," and then "grabbed him by the neck of his hoodie, kneed him in the face" and threw him onto the kitchen floor............."I'm not comfortable with her…
/r/MGTOW26/09/16 02:36 AM
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I know, but it still says a lot where she is in charge of domestic violence. It shows how little concern people like this have for concepts of domestic violence and the victims of it when it doesn't fit into their social narrative (men bad, women good)
/r/MGTOW25/09/16 08:21 PM
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All leverage a man has disappears when you marry. That is why women push for marriage so hard.
/r/MGTOW25/09/16 07:48 PM
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I agree like I said I really doubt I will be able to find that exceptional girl. I have found a couple girls so far who I think would qualify....but as expected, I was too ugly to get them interested, clean cut rejections. They were exceptional on numerous levels. Equal earners, smart, attractive, quiet/shy, neither had ever dated, not feminists, etc... They don't come across my radar but very rarely. There are decent women out there. The problem is that they are extremely rare, and in today's m…
/r/MGTOW25/09/16 04:58 PM
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Because of the 80/20 rule (more like the 95/5 rule) lots of guys are being pushed further and further into incel territory. Its nothing to be ashamed of. A small minority of elite men monopolize the female attention, and most other men end up living on the edges picking up stragglers, getting the crumbs, getting the leftovers, having long dry spells, etc. Men like that are the majority by far. The shitty part is like you said, if you are not in the top 5-20% of looks but you have money, women wi…
/r/MGTOW25/09/16 04:50 PM
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Of course not. That is the problem. To blue pill white knight manginas, domestic violence only counts when men do it to women. Women beating up men = meh Lesbians beating up each other = meh Gay men beating up each other = meh Men beating up women = horrifying and evil
/r/MGTOW25/09/16 04:08 PM
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How did you earn a doctorate at 25? Most people are 27 or older when they get one? If you really are going to start making 150k a year, your SMV will increase. So get ready for that. However those women couldn't give a shit about you, just your money. Always try to keep that in mind. If women really did ignore you the first 25 years of your life, but start coming easy after you make 6 figures, it is all about your money. Never forget that. Beware of parasites who pretend to be unicorns, especial…
/r/MGTOW25/09/16 04:03 PM
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I live in an area with cheap real estate. Condos start at 50k. I have thought of buying one outright (or getting a 15 year mortgage, and paying it off in 2-3 years), and bringing in a roommate. If I do that, I can cut my living expenses down to about $900/month. I could cut even more if I wanted to (not eating out, cutting some luxuries) and I could get my living expenses down to $400-600/month by doing that. Problem is I don't want to be tied down to a condo.
/r/MGTOW25/09/16 03:24 PM
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When the social, financial and legal incentives reward shitty behavior, you get more shitty behavior.
/r/MGTOW24/09/16 09:58 PM
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I don't normally read celebrity gossip, but I recall seeing a few blurbs about how long before this, Pitt was totally beaten down by Jolie, this is based on various friends who witnessed him with her or on the phone with her. I'm surprised Pitt's friends aren't celebrating his divorce.
/r/MGTOW24/09/16 09:57 PM
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In my experience, you can get a used car for 5-8k that, if you shop around, will serve you well for at minimum 5 years. Then you can resell it for 2-3k or so.
/r/MGTOW24/09/16 09:55 PM
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How did you change your lifestyle to make it more cost effective? Did you get a smaller home, get a roommate, not spend tons of money on dates and items for women, or a combination?
/r/MGTOW24/09/16 09:54 PM
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Inner peace Meaningful friendships Good health Financial independence Those things are important. Sex can be rented, female validation is pleasurable but doesn't bring happiness.
/r/MGTOW24/09/16 09:52 PM
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Plus you have fewer rights to privacy in a vehicle than you do in a home. Police can harass you more.
/r/MGTOW24/09/16 09:09 PM
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Garrett Lisi (physicist) lived in a van. He is a pretty MGTOW guy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antony_Garrett_Lisi Got a PhD in physics from UCSD. Decided to live in his van so he could surf all day after finishing school. Came up with a theory for quantum physics which may explain missing subatomic particles. To my knowledge, no wife. That guy is a pretty good example of a MGTOW. Also, it costs more than $60/month. You still have upkeep on the van, food, medical care, gas, etc. However living…
/r/MGTOW24/09/16 09:08 PM
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Those sites are a giant waste of time for men. They really overvalue women, to the point where a 3 on there acts like a 7. Unless you are comfortable throwing yourself at women who are inferior to the kinds of women you can meet in real life, I'd avise you to give it up. Internet dating sucks and lots of the women there are just there to get an ego boost. Even the crap women get 50 messages a month.
/r/MGTOW24/09/16 03:44 AM
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This really isn't the subreddit, redpill might be better. Why are you shy? What are you afraid will happen or go wrong? Maybe work on your anxiety either via psychotherapy or via medication.
/r/MGTOW24/09/16 03:23 AM
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Women exchange access to their sexuality for access to male resources, security and protection. Other women are the competition. That is what is happening in a nutshell. The hot slut can poach your man and get him to devote his time/energy/resources to her instead of you. She can also decrease the market value of sex by offering it outside of a committed relationship where the man invests time/money/energy in his mate. Why offer a woman money, protection and security in exchange for sex if the h…
/r/MGTOW24/09/16 03:19 AM
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I'm going hiking. I love fall weather, and I love getting out to see the leaves change.
/r/MGTOW24/09/16 03:13 AM
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Turd flinging monkey had a good video about that, how women feel threatened by porn. In the end he says if men prefer porn to real women, maybe the problem isn't porn, it is the women. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STh5ydOFn2g
/r/MGTOW24/09/16 01:12 AM
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I've heard from male escorts most of their female clients are either unattractive or have some major social/cognitive deficit. seeing how easy it is for women to get laid, I'm guessing that is true.
/r/MGTOW24/09/16 01:10 AM
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Yeah but sadly most of what they sell are clothes. That has been my experience. Decent electronics are not easy to find at a thrift store.
/r/MGTOW24/09/16 01:08 AM
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library genesis
/r/MGTOW24/09/16 01:08 AM
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That is a good red pill primer of the reality of mating and how it works. How does MGTOW works? I guess a metaphor for MGTOW is people who choose to eat healthy. In our evolutionary history, famine was our biggest threat. People didn't live long enough to get vascular disease or diabetes, on average. By the time you were old enough to get those, you were probably going to die from something else anyway. So our bodies evolved us to crave anti-famine foods. Easily digested foods high in carbs and …
/r/MGTOW23/09/16 03:24 AM
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In Japan, a lot of women don't think you are good enough unless you are a salaryman. Which means working 12-16 hour days 5-7 days a week. A lot of Japanese guys do not want that life. If they have to give up women, so be it.
/r/MGTOW23/09/16 01:44 AM
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God damn. That poor bastard. I am 100% certain she is telling her new guy how abusive and neglectful her ex was. Just as she will tell the next guy after him how abusive and neglectful he was.
/r/MGTOW22/09/16 11:14 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vs41JrnGaxc
/r/MGTOW22/09/16 11:02 PM
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God Damn, what a low quality woman. I wouldn't even fuck that.
/r/MGTOW22/09/16 10:58 PM
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Thank you for posting this. People who claim asian women make good wives, I don't know. I've always figured any southeast or south asian woman would likely just be a gold digger who would turn western once she had her legal claws in you (ie marriage in the west).
/r/MGTOW22/09/16 10:55 PM
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Keep in mind Angelina Jolie was supposedly diagnosed with being a psychopath as a teenager. Her high school counselor said 'Angelina Voight is unrestrained, inclined to antisocial psychopathy'. I feel sorry for Brad Pitt. Jolie has probably been planning this for years, and just found a perfect time to fuck him. Ugh, the idea that this weird looking psychopath is considered a sex symbol is disturbing.
/r/MGTOW22/09/16 10:46 PM
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Good metaphor.
/r/MGTOW22/09/16 02:29 AM
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internet dating is a losing proposition for men, you have to lower your standards there. Pick women in real life if you can.
/r/MGTOW22/09/16 02:26 AM
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Surrogates and nannys. That is about it. But that is expensive. If you aren't a well off man (6 figures minimum) you probably need a woman in your life to have kids.
/r/MGTOW21/09/16 09:33 PM
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In situations like yours, marriage may be a net benefit. If marriage means you have access to a wealthier country with better paying jobs, better health care, better education, better infrastructure, better government, etc. then marriage is probably in your interest. I know that isn't a popular opinion on this subreddit, but in some situations marriage does benefit the man. If you find a western woman with a good personality, and marrying her lets you pursue a higher standard of living, I say go…
/r/MGTOW20/09/16 12:21 AM
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What kind of experiments? This sounds interesting. Do you try to seduce them, then try to push them away?
/r/MGTOW19/09/16 10:31 PM
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Short term monogamy is human nature, but I don't think long term is. Either way, the natural order of things is for a small minority of men to monopolize all the women, which is what we have been moving towards the last few decades.
/r/MGTOW19/09/16 10:26 PM
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I'm just glad in today's overly litigious society the guy wasn't charged with kidnapping or something stupid for not turning the boat around to bring her back to shore when she started complaining. Yeah, she tried to get a guy with resources but couldn't handle the fact that he is a player with more/better options than her.
/r/MGTOW19/09/16 10:24 PM
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There are situations where a man would benefit from marriage. If the woman has (way) more money than the man, and his standard of living goes up is one. He will not lose any money in the divorce in that situation. If the woman lives in a country that has a higher standard of living (better jobs, better health care, better infrastructure) and he moves to her country. Those are the only 2 situations where marriage pays off for a man. That makes up 5-10% of marriages I'd wager. u/ConfusedGuyNoMore,…
/r/MGTOW19/09/16 10:01 PM
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There are lots of other porn sites out there. Plus you can use servers located in foreign countries to browse to get around that stuff. Plus, I wonder if there'd be an increase in file sharing. Not just P2P, but also people sharing hard drives to swap files the same way people swap hard drives of music and video.
/r/MGTOW19/09/16 09:59 PM
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It is hard. What hurt me was learning that men are fundamentally just expendable utilities to women. We are like cars, objects to get them from point A to point B. We provide them with good genetics, resources, security, protection, entertainment, etc. and the whole time they just keep demanding more, offering little in return and contemplating if branch swinging to another utility-man is a better idea. It sucks. But sexual strategy is amoral.
/r/MGTOW19/09/16 03:37 AM
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It might vary by country, in the US it is blocked.
/r/MGTOW19/09/16 02:15 AM
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Getting fucked by other Chads
/r/MGTOW19/09/16 02:11 AM
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Lots of women, if they find a good beta (a guy with a good income and a stable job) will get pregnant fast so that they always have that one kid as emotional, legal and financial leverage. This ensures they will always have access to BB's resources.
/r/MGTOW19/09/16 02:11 AM
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I don't really want a wife and kids myself, but I can see the appeal. Some families do work out. But a lot do not sadly. They are a lot of work, and you'd have to find an educated, emotionally stable partner who is a good communicator who felt they had an obligation to pull their own weight financially, emotionally, timewise, etc. to keep the partnership going and in both parties interests. In the age of tinder where even low quality women expect to be entertained by men and to replace those men…
/r/MGTOW19/09/16 02:05 AM
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The movie is lost highway and it is blocked.
/r/MGTOW19/09/16 02:02 AM
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There are various degrees of MGTOW. Some guys cohabitate, but do not marry Some guys date, but do not cohabitate Some guys have FWB, but do not date Some guys have female friends and coworkers, but do not fuck women (except escorts) Some guys cut women off entirely romantically, platonically and professionally Some guys avoid society entirely and live off the grid Fundamentally MGTOW is the following: Men who feel that their quality of life is higher by placing an upper limit on how emotionally,…
/r/MGTOW19/09/16 01:57 AM
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It is a big reason, but just one of many. The fact that women's demands keep going up while what they offer keep going down is a huge part. But so is the biased legal system where a man's kids and life savings can be taken away because his wife had an affair. Also lots of guys realize they do not want to work like a plow animal to support other people their whole life (which is what being 'a man' really entails. A life of toil to support others). There are lots of reasons to go MGTOW.
/r/MGTOW19/09/16 01:44 AM
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An oldie but a goodie.
/r/MGTOW18/09/16 06:10 PM
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a workaholic husband who rarely lent a hand Sigh. He lent a hand by paying for everything. Your shelter, your health care, your cars, your jewelry, your clothes, your food, your vacations, your expensive luxury items. That goes for you and the 3 kids. I wouldn't be surprised if the guy who 'rarely lent a hand' also paid for meals out, a maid, a nanny, etc. so she wouldn't have to work as much. If he did, the dinners, cleaners and nannys probably saved the wife several dozen hours of labor a week…
/r/MGTOW18/09/16 06:02 PM
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How much do you earn? How old are you, how many inches is your waist, what is your bodyfat percentage, and what does your mother look like? (Lots of women end up looking like their mothers, in case anyone wonders what that last question was about).
/r/MGTOW18/09/16 06:00 PM
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Things like this are a big part of what drives a lot of men MGTOW. Women's quality keeps declining while their demands and standards go up. After a while you realize there is no way you can possibly win, and quit trying. Hang out at choosingbeggars sometime.
/r/MGTOW18/09/16 05:56 PM
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This. When you take away the legal and social repercussions of bad behavior, you get more of it. If a woman is abusive and people's response is to blame her victim for provoking her, or arrest her victim, then you will get more female abuse (verbal, emotional, psychological, physical, financial).
/r/MGTOW18/09/16 05:54 PM
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Yup, alpha widows.
/r/MGTOW18/09/16 04:24 PM
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I notice a lot of women today feel insecure about porn, but I think that is just projection. Men know porn isn't real life, but I think women let fantasy and reality get intertwined more and as a result they project that mentality onto men. Point being, a man can watch porn full of beautiful, nubile, flexible women performing an endless number of sex acts and realize that it is just fantasy. But women can read a book or see a movie where a dumpy middle age woman gets pursued by a variety rich, h…
/r/MGTOW18/09/16 03:05 PM
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Yeah, this movie has come up several times here. It is basically female porn. Totally unrealistic fantasy. In real life a couple of extremely attractive, rich men are not going to fight for a 47 year old single mother. But its fantasy for women. In real life, handsome men and billionaires can have orgies with hot girls in their 20s if they want them. They aren't fighting to marry a single mom pushing 50 who has commitment issues and miles of cock run through her.
/r/MGTOW18/09/16 01:59 PM
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I've heard multiple stories where the women that cheat and branch swing, then have the new relationship fail, then try to go back to the original guy. Those stories are sad, I feel bad for the men they left originally. The women are basically saying 'let me see what else is out there' and when they realize it isn't that great, they want back with the original guy. This really puts the original guy in a bad spot. Doubly so if they have kids together.
/r/MGTOW18/09/16 12:12 PM
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I never dated a ton, but for me after a few dates how hot she is stopped being important. All that really mattered is her personality. I think Chris Rock said relationships are mostly just eating together, talking and watching TV together. Even the sex drops off to once a week or less for most couples. Lots of couples, after being together for a while, have sex once a month or so. Really a lot of a relationship is do you enjoy the other person's company. The sex and how hot they are stop being i…
/r/MGTOW18/09/16 02:11 AM
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Women's ratings basically go like this. 80% of men - invisible 81-95% of men - meh. if they work at it I'll give them a chance 96-100% of men - hot Really, due to simple concepts like 'math' 95% of us can never be in the top 5%. It is what it is. The system is broken.
/r/MGTOW18/09/16 02:10 AM
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Peter Griffin: I say, Quagmire, it seems to me we've each made another $500 million dollars. Quagmire: Good thing we swore off women so we wouldn't be distracted and unable to accumulate this vast amount of wealth. Peter Griffin: Yes. You watch the ticker. I'm gonna microwave a bagel and have sex with it. Quagmire: Butter's in the fridge!
/r/MGTOW18/09/16 02:03 AM
5

Congrats. Did you get a license independent of college that you self studied for?
/r/MGTOW18/09/16 02:03 AM
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Internet dating destroyed dating in general. Women are trying to date up, which means men have to date down. In ye old days a woman and a man who were both 7s may date. Now the female 4s are trying to get with the male 7s. The female 7s have no interest in the male 7s, they want the male 9s and 10s. Internet dating has caused women's demands, standards and options to skyrocket, but the value they bring to the market hasn't changed. Lots of guys are dropping out because of this (among many other …
/r/MGTOW18/09/16 01:46 AM
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Women love men the way children love parents. Very selfishly and greedily. Yet another reason to go MGTOW.
/r/MGTOW18/09/16 01:42 AM
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2769593/HALF-women-fall-partner-standby-fancied-case-current-relationship-turns-sour.html They were never going to fuck you, not unless their marriage fell apart for reasons unrelated to you. They were just keeping you as a backup.
/r/MGTOW18/09/16 01:38 AM
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That guy was athletic and hard working, both of which are traits that women have evolved to look for. The fact that he is more competent at survivalism than 99% of people probably also triggers some deep response inside women.
/r/MGTOW18/09/16 01:35 AM
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I have enough to buy a cheap condo, but even with that I think my living expenses would be 1k a month. If I brought in a roommate I coudl cut them though. However, I think it'll be my 40s before I can retire.
/r/MGTOW17/09/16 06:45 PM
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I never made enough or lived frugally enough to achieve that.
/r/MGTOW17/09/16 05:29 PM
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It has gotten so much worse since internet dating, smartphones and tinder hit the market. Even the crap women think they are entitled to an all expense paid party. Not worth it.
/r/MGTOW17/09/16 03:25 PM
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How many hookers can you rent for the price of that stuff? At least a dozen. All (assuming you live in a country with legalized hookers) will be hotter and better at sex than this girl.
/r/MGTOW17/09/16 03:18 PM
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Every man should do the math on his time and money for escorts vs. chasing women. How much time and money does it take to chase women? How much time and money does it take to hire an escort? Do the math. If you live in a country with legalized prostitution, a good hooker may only be $60. How much time and money do you spend courting women? It could be 50 hours and hundreds of dollars to get sex once. You could spend 1 hour and $60 to get that from an escort.
/r/MGTOW17/09/16 03:17 PM
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Poor guy, wish I could save him but he's following the life script. I think this is a big part of the MGTOW movement, letting guys know it is ok to go off script. It is ok to not devote your life to supporting a wife and kids. It is ok to investing your money and working part time while playing XBOX with all your free time. Just because you have surplus time and money doesn't mean you are required to spend it on women and children. My goal is to be set up enough that I can start working part tim…
/r/MGTOW17/09/16 03:12 PM
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Feminists there are already trying to ban it by pretending they care about the well being of the prositutes (obvious real reason is they do not like the men having access to competition).
/r/MGTOW17/09/16 01:20 PM
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and the entitlement of having 3s 4s and 5s check me out like I'm on their level Yup, this. Women have no sense of leagues anymore, the low quality women think high quality men are in their league. Wait until they realize there is nothing they can offer a man that he can't rent. Hopefully that'll bring some sanity back to the market.
/r/MGTOW17/09/16 02:20 AM
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Good for you. Sadly for those of us who live where prostitutes are illegal (the US), the prices are higher, the quality is lower, and the risks are more. you'd probably have to spend $200 to get a comparable escort here in the US, the hookers that are $40-60 are generally STD riddled and bad looking. I wish we legalized it here. The US is very backwards socially and morally. If I lived in Germany, I'd visit the brothels once or twice a month.
/r/MGTOW17/09/16 02:19 AM
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Why won't he pay for my families home and medical care the way he pays for mine?
/r/MGTOW17/09/16 02:17 AM
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The guy should've found some woman who possessed some high SMV trait that his girlfriend lacks (younger, thinner, bigger boobs, nicer face) and done the same with her. Gone up to the girl, walked around the girl with his girlfriend and told his girlfriend 'I'd love to be with a woman with a body/face like that'
/r/MGTOW17/09/16 02:14 AM
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That seems like a minor issue to cut a family member off for.
/r/MGTOW17/09/16 01:14 AM
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Neither is being treated like a creep, threat or pervert for having normal human urges. Neither is a marketplace filled with female 3s who think they are 7s. Neither is losing your kids, home and retirement accounts because your wife got 'bored'.
/r/MGTOW17/09/16 01:12 AM
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Ugh. Two sentences in she says this It’s more difficult when you’re a woman who is difficult to love. Translation: I am emotionally unstable, abusive, tempermental, addicted to drama and unreliable. Jesus. The whole article is about how she deserves someone who puts up with her insanity. Imagine a man writing an article like this. "I'm crazy, abusive, unstable and addicted to drama. I deserve a woman who puts up with all of it without complaining". No wonder men are going MGTOW. EDIT: She isn't …
/r/MGTOW17/09/16 01:04 AM
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I think you should try relationships to see if you enjoy them or not. If you feel they cost more than they add to your life, you are welcome back to the MGTOW group.
/r/MGTOW17/09/16 01:01 AM
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This is interesting, are there cites for women earning 38.5% of earnings but making up 75% of spending? No wonder so many of us in the MGTOW movement are planning on retiring early with the extra money. Lots of guys who are MGTOW either have expensive hobbies, or want to retire early, or something like that because they have surplus money.
/r/MGTOW17/09/16 12:27 AM
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http://www.johndclare.net/Weimar6_Geary.htm Until 1930 women remained unlikely to vote for the Nazi Party. Moreover, in the presidential election of 1932 a clear majority of women preferred Hindenburg to Hitler. However, the early 1930s did see a narrowing of the gap between male and female voting patterns, especially in Protestant areas. Indeed, in some of these by July 1932 the NSDAP was winning a higher percentage of the female to male vote. In that month some 6.5 million women voted Nazi, ma…
/r/MGTOW16/09/16 12:44 AM
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Holy shit, that third woman is 27. She looks 50. Jesus. Angry, abusive and prematurely aged. What a prize.
/r/MGTOW16/09/16 12:39 AM
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Women dug their own graves with hypergamy and delusion. Let them live with it.
/r/MGTOW16/09/16 12:26 AM
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A major tactic they use is getting pregnant with the new guy fast. That locks his resources down.
/r/MGTOW15/09/16 11:58 PM
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Oral is a better sensation than vaginal when done to a man. However a fleshlight is pretty good and almost as good as a woman. Really, if you want to know what a halfway decent woman feels like, buy a fleshlight. Having said that, I'm at the point where I enjoy knowing a woman finds me attractive enough to want to sleep with me more than the sex. Sex is full of complicated emotions, pregnancy scares, STDs, false rape accusations, people's mercurial wants and needs, etc. that it isn't that fun fo…
/r/MGTOW15/09/16 11:53 PM
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I think thinking-ape and turd flinging monkey are good too. There are some others who are really good social commentators, but I can't remember their youtube handles.
/r/MGTOW15/09/16 11:51 PM
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I'm really disapointed in Elon. He has so much to offer the world, but he makes such terrible decisions with his dick that he is going to jeopardize all of it.
/r/MGTOW15/09/16 11:49 PM
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Its all about self improvement, bro. All about self improvement* *Just so long as that self improvement is designed to make women find you attractive.
/r/MGTOW15/09/16 02:13 AM
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A lot of it is just culture. Nobody speaks out when women are abusive, materialistic or selfish. People just take it as par for the course and stop noticing it as a bad thing and unnecessary.
/r/MGTOW14/09/16 10:15 PM
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progressive left on economics, health care, and a few other issues.
/r/MGTOW14/09/16 09:52 PM
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How do you fit 50 pounds of meat into one of those handheld baskets? I've seen how large those 6 lb boxes of hamburgers are, that is is a lot of meat. She yanked the basket out of your hand? What a cunt.
/r/MGTOW14/09/16 09:51 PM
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I haven't looked at them all, but they aren't bad. I'd rather fuck a bunch of 7s than one 8-9 personally.
/r/MGTOW14/09/16 12:15 PM
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They do. They think of anyone who isn't high quality as low quality. Hence why a lot of guys are dropping out. The market is filled with low quality women who think they should be with high quality men, and that any man who isn't high quality is low quality. Most men aren't going to fight for low quality women, especially not ones with the egos and demands of high quality women. That is like expecting people to work at jobs that have the responsibility and stress of a high paying job, but none o…
/r/MGTOW14/09/16 12:11 PM
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You can hate women all you want. I personally don't. It isn't to pretend to be a good person either, it isn't like the only options are either to hate women or to pretend to be a good person. Some of my best friends and best coworkers have been women. I think the modern legal and social system, when it comes to dating/mating, has become dysfunctional. Women are rewarded for bad behavior and protected from the negative consequences of bad behavior, to the point where it isn't worth trying anymore…
/r/MGTOW14/09/16 01:15 AM
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I think part of it is that the sane women get plucked off the market, and women who are 4s who think they are 8s do not. As time passes, the % of women with giant egos, insane demands and little to offer grows as a % of single women because of this.
/r/MGTOW13/09/16 11:24 PM
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A woman had better hope she is a great conversationalist, cook, homemaker, grandmother, etc. when she is 50 because that is all she has left for her SMV. Men generally don't want to fuck menopausal women. I'm noticing only slight differences between women in their 20s and 30s. If anything, the women in their 30s are more demanding despite having less to offer.
/r/MGTOW13/09/16 10:44 PM
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LOL @ justneckbeardthings Yeah, the stereotype of MGTOW is men who nobody wants. What is the MGTOW movement based on? A lot of it is men who feel the legal system is too biased. Civil court and criminal court are biased against men, and a lot of men feel the risks are getting too severe to enter legally binding contracts with women. So marriage is off the table. Another issue is that in the age of internet dating, women's egos have exploded to the point where they aren't worth it. Low quality wo…
/r/MGTOW13/09/16 10:34 PM
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I disagre with his distribution for women. I think women are at peak basically from age 17-23, and then I think it is a diagnoal line from 23 until 50. Rollo feels women drop in SMV rapidly after their early 20s. Maybe in the past, but in the modern age of internet dating where thirsty men keep low SMV women's heads inflated, I don't see it.
/r/MGTOW13/09/16 10:23 PM
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There are also 'all you can fuck' brothels which are exactly what they sound like. You pay a set fee at the door and you can have as much sex (and alcohol and food) as you want. I think this one is 89 euros. http://www.caligula-berlin.de/bordell-videos/brothel-berlin-germany.html The idea of paying an entitled single mother to have dinner with you loses appeal when you realize things like this are an option.
/r/MGTOW13/09/16 10:16 PM
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Most couples see their sex drop after the first few months or maybe year or two. Also, 3500 euro a month is a lot, that works out to 40k a year. But some guys easily lose 6 figures in a divorce. If you visit a hooker once a week, that is 5k a year. Considering that many guys lose tens and possibly hundreds of thousands in a divorce, spending 5000 a year on hookers is a pretty cheap (and worthy) investment.
/r/MGTOW13/09/16 10:14 PM
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It could be because STDs are only transmitted occasionally during sex, and a prostitute has multiple customers (many of whom do not have STDs) while a LTR is repetitive sex with someone who does have STDs.
/r/MGTOW13/09/16 10:12 PM
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Pretty much. TL;DR - feminists have made the legal and social system so hostile towards men that many men aren't willing to wife up a single mother. So speak out against feminism, just long enough to get the ring and gain access to a mans assets with the power of the state behind you.
/r/MGTOW13/09/16 03:07 AM
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He fell in love with Courtney Love, which is really bad. That woman is a walking hurricane. The fact that she may have had him killed to get his money shows he had terrible taste. A guy with Kurt's SMV could've gotten a beautiful woman with a good personality, and he married Courtney Love instead. Kurt was a talented guy, but honestly if he hadn't died he would have just been another 90s musician IMO. Dave Grohl is more talented at music, and he is less famous. I think the best song he did about…
/r/MGTOW13/09/16 02:51 AM
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Nobody has a sense of humor. I was trolling the troll.
/r/MGTOW13/09/16 02:28 AM
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She made an effort to support our movement, why the hostility? Do some women pretend to hate feminism because they want to appear to be unicorns? Yes. But some women really do realize the entitlement and hostility in modern feminism is hurting people and oppose it for that. Less than 1/5 of women identify as feminist for a reason.
/r/MGTOW13/09/16 01:42 AM
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Check on how she is doing in 10 years. Women like that (arrogant, rude, bridge burning, dependent on men, cheaters with no loyalty) tend to not end up well. Not all of them, some of them get their cake and eat it too. But a lot of them are just delusional about their SMV, and dont' realize it until they can't get anything but low SMV men.
/r/MGTOW13/09/16 01:40 AM
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I'm going to let you in on a little secret. There is no MGTOW movement. The reality is all of us would gladly marry the first rude, gold digging, obese woman who gives up 5 seconds of attention. We are thirsty as hell here. Veganism? What is that? Will that make women like us? That is all that matters deep down inside.
/r/MGTOW13/09/16 01:38 AM
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Nice and all, but unless high SMV men start saying this, women couldn't give a shit. Let a wealthy, handsome male celebrity write this. Then watch the fallout. This is not going to have any influence. Damn, reading the article and it wasn't even controversial. He said a lot of the stuff third wave feminists promote isn't true, and that he'd prefer not to date one. People acted like he burned a puppy alive and fucked the corpse.
/r/MGTOW12/09/16 10:35 PM
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I don't know. One problem some women are realizing is that third wave feminism has created a very hostile environment for men. Men are very vulnerable legally, financially and socially to the whims of women now. A man can lose his house, his reputation, his kids, his life savings, his freedoms, etc. for making a woman unhappy or if she is angry at him. She can label him a creep or loser and destroy his reputation, she can take his assets and kids in a divorce, she can make a false accusation tha…
/r/MGTOW12/09/16 10:31 PM
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To people who hate the entire manosphere, we are all interchangeable. MGTOW, mens rights activists, PUAs, red pillers, etc.
/r/MGTOW12/09/16 10:28 PM
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I agree with you about third wave feminism. A lot of third wave feminism is women wanting all the benefits of being both a man and a woman, none of the drawbacks, and calling it equality. That bothers me. Women have a lot of advantages too, just as men have advantages. Having said that, no offense, but one strategy of modern women in the market is to speak out against feminism because a lot of women realize feminists have created a very socially and legally hostile environment for men which caus…
/r/MGTOW12/09/16 09:38 PM
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Comparing women in the dating marketplace to parasites is a valid comparison. They look for a healthy host, and then they suck nutrition out of it. But for women, their nutrition is resources, security, protection, etc. That is what guys do when they brag about their wealth, but expensive cars, flash money around, etc. They are advertising how they would make a great host to a parasite.
/r/MGTOW12/09/16 03:20 AM
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The gender ratios are 1:1 in the real world. Are there lots of lonely guys who feel left out of the modern dating climate? Yes. This is a fairly accurate description of dating in modern society. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-wk0vJV6OqeQ/TjujkDkBmnI/AAAAAAAABO4/PditaoNOHVE/s320/AfterSR.jpg But I don't know if there are enough men to clean up after these women. A lot of men are going MGTOW in between feeling left out by women's hypergamy and the misandrist legal system. I'm sorry if you couldn't get t…
/r/MGTOW12/09/16 03:17 AM
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I can't even get a functionally illiterate obese single mom with kids from three different men to reply to me on OkCupid Neither can I. Neither can 80% of men. But that ties into my point. Large swaths of women think they deserve the best men, but the best men either have no interest in them at all, or they only use them for sex w/o offering any kind of emotional or financial investment. These women will pursue hypergamy until even they have to admit it doesn't work, then they will look for the …
/r/MGTOW12/09/16 03:14 AM
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I'd wager 10-20% of marriages are truly happy. The rest are unhappy on some level. One or both parties is unhappy or unfulfilled, someone cheats, divorce happens. I think MGTOW does a disservice (no insult intended) by saying no marriages ever work out. I don't agree with that, and I think that mentality causes people to look at the small minority that do work and say 'MGTOW is wrong, look at these happy marriages'. However the vast majority of marriages do not work and end up unhappy or as ruts…
/r/MGTOW12/09/16 02:49 AM
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A woman can find a dick, but due to evolution a woman isn't happy unless a (relatively) high SMV man is willing to emotionally and financially commit to and invest in her. Men can be happy with just sexual access to the opposite gender, women cannot. Women need more than that. Women today cannot find that. The small % of truly high SMV men can get sex w/o having to offer financial or emotional commitment or investment, and the rest of men are invisible to her. Modern women have created their own…
/r/MGTOW12/09/16 02:38 AM
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This is so accurate. Both statements. This is porn for older women (an unrealistic fantasy of a man way out of their league offering them things he never would). The difference between this and a guy jerking off to porn is that the guy jerking off to porn knows it is a fantasy. The women who watch this stuff believe the hype and think a male 11/10 is going to come and sweep their 3, 4 and 5 asses into fantasyland. I love this subreddit. So much wisdom.
/r/MGTOW12/09/16 02:27 AM
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It is like trainwreck, a movie about a post wall woman who doesn't have a lot to offer being the target of an obsessed high SMV man. A famous doctor, a billionaire, a handsome playboy. Guys like that do not form committed, monogamous relationships with middle aged single mothers thrown off the CC. But women like the fantasy, so they keep coming. The problem is women can't tell the difference between fantasy and reality anymore. Social media, online dating, etc. has got them believing the myth of…
/r/MGTOW12/09/16 02:24 AM
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I give up my seat for the elderly, injured and for pregnant women. I've never even considered giving my seat up for an able bodied woman.
/r/MGTOW12/09/16 02:19 AM
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You might as well ask a tapeworm if it feels upset that the host whose intestines it is latched onto is eating a diet full of big macs and pepsi. Does the tapeworm care that the host will have a life full of disease and early death? Hell no, all the tapeworm cares about is the extra calories it will be able to extract from its host. This woman knows by the time her S.O. is sick and dying from his job, she will have branch swung to some other guy. Never marry.
/r/MGTOW12/09/16 02:15 AM
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Yes they have. However I have known a small % of happily married people too. But most guys I know either say it is a net loss, or the benefits and drawbacks neutralize each other. The handful of men who do recommend I marry tend to be very bluepill (the kinds who believe a person is a failure unless they marry, who think a man is a failure unless he is sacrificing for a wife and kids). Al Bundy was telling me not to marry before I even knew I liked girls. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fu0qKm-3…
/r/MGTOW12/09/16 02:06 AM
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Good points. The narrative they give men and their own narrative are not the same.
/r/MGTOW12/09/16 02:05 AM
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This. Sadly I bet a lot of those guys would want to get married, but 80% of men are invisible to 80% of women. The real question is, when these women's hypergamy leaves them empty handed, will the guys they ignored have the dignity to say no to being these women's backup plan. IMO it isn't even the 80/20 rule, it is the 95/5 rule.
/r/MGTOW12/09/16 02:02 AM
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I think they'll push for legal sanctions against men. Probably more that than acting out in individual acts of violence.
/r/MGTOW07/09/16 11:12 AM
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I'm all for equality for women, and letting women pursue their dreams whevever those dreams take them. What I'm opposed to is how third wave feminists try to pass of female priviledge as equality. Example: Women earn less than men. Yep they do. That is because they work shorter hours at easier, safer jobs. Nobody forces them to do that. If the women want to earn the same as men, let them work longer hours at more dangerous jobs. All the talk about the wage gap is just feminists wanting to be pai…
/r/MGTOW07/09/16 03:34 AM
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Society has survived far worse than a dysfunctional mating system.
/r/MGTOW07/09/16 03:29 AM
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I don't know if they'll learn anything. I predict a ton of articles and news stories demanding that men 'man up' and marry these used up, entitled women who wouldn't give the men that they now want to pay their bills and raise someone else's kids the time of day when the women were in their 20s. Society gets mad when men do not mindlessly march headfirst into a losing proposition (look at the shame directed at draft dodgers who do not want to fight in pointless wars). Society expects obedient sa…
/r/MGTOW07/09/16 03:18 AM
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Really, he has to learn from experience. He has to find out for himself what a lot of women nowadays are like in the age of social media and a legal system designed to protect them from the consequences of their own bad decisions. Insecure, nagging, selfish, materialistic, etc. Let him experience it, get burnt out and then think about MGTOW. When he is a couple years older, give him some of Rollo Tomassi's work to read like the rational male.
/r/MGTOW07/09/16 12:04 AM
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What % of men are tall, handsome, athletic and make good money? If you want all 4, it is a fraction of 1% who have all 4 traits (this doesn't even include all the other traits women demand, all the weird personality quirks they want and physical oddities they are into). What % of women on the marketplace think they deserve a man like that? Way, way more than 1%. It is like 30%. Good luck getting 30% of women to share 1% of men.
/r/MGTOW06/09/16 11:57 PM
7

The problem is no matter how little a woman brings to the table (ugly, bad hygiene, kids with multiple dads, tons of debt, materialism, narcissism, old, obese, etc) she is guaranteed a line of thirsty men begging her for a conversation or a date. Imagine if the roles were reversed. Imagine if no matter how ugly, broke, short, mean, stupid, rude, selfish, etc. you were you still had dozens of women beg you to talk to them. You'd turn into a piece of shit with a giant ego too. The problem is these…
/r/MGTOW06/09/16 11:55 PM
6

Here is what it means: As a woman in the 40th percentile in SMV, I will not settle for a man lower than the 90th percentile. Goooooooooood luck with that.
/r/MGTOW06/09/16 11:54 PM
14

Going MGTOW would not have happened with this subreddit I assume you meant without this subreddit. Good for you. I know we get a lot of ridicule for obsessing over women here, but there are a lot of valid benefits of going MGTOW. More money, more free time, more control of your own life, more respect, better boundaries, and ironically for a lot of people a more active social life. Good job mate. We need more posts like this.
/r/MGTOW06/09/16 11:49 PM
5

I swear, this whole mindset that men should date their own age is bonkers. Look at who benefits from that advice, and look at who gives it. Most of the time, it is women in their 30s and 40s who know they are less desirable as women in their late teens and early 20s. So they shame and terrorize men into picking them instead of the younger girls. That is all it is. Middle aged women using shame to force men to lower their standards.
/r/MGTOW06/09/16 11:47 PM
3

Creep, rapist, abuser. Those words are becoming very vague and just used as catch all terms whenever a woman is unhappy about something a man did.
/r/MGTOW06/09/16 11:45 PM
42

MGTOW, to me, is a mix of three major factors. this is just my opinion. Men realizing (after swallowing the red pill) how amoral and based on exploitation sexual strategy is. Men may use women as wet holes attached to a uterus, but women use men as wallets and sources of high quality genetic material. It gets demoralizing. As a man, the best you can hope for is to be a strong and healthy host for a female parasite to latch onto. When you think of guys in their expensive clothes, expensive cars, …
/r/MGTOW06/09/16 10:45 PM
1

No, look around you. There are a lot of dysfunctional women having kids, and they are not having them with boring betas who went to college and work boring jobs. They are fucking drug dealers and musicians. People act like 'Chad' is something to aspire to. It isn't. Even if a woman likes something, the fact that she is an imbecile doesn't make her judgement valuable. Will becoming a white rapper or drug dealer get you laid by women too dumb to use birth control? Yes. Does that help the human rac…
/r/MGTOW05/09/16 09:25 PM
2

Supposedly the evolution of bonobos occurred because they were cut off from gorillas. As a result they did not have to compete for resources. This evolution took a million years or so. Modern humans, for the most part, do not have to compete for resources either. Food is all but guaranteed. But we still compete for sexual access.
/r/MGTOW05/09/16 04:39 PM
2

A negative aspect is stupid women procreate more. Women who are too dumb to use contraceptives have more kids than educated women who understand how birth control and concepts like consequences work. This will not result in selections for betas. Betas are not the ones procreating, they are the ones paying for Chads kids and raising them w/o their own genes being passed on. There are multiple charts that all show the same thing, but here is one. The more eduation a woman has, the fewer kids she h…
/r/MGTOW05/09/16 04:35 PM
3

I got this message, it felt like there was something wrong with it. Also the person who sent the message had 0 post history.
/r/MGTOW05/09/16 04:28 PM
0

They appear demonic because someone didn't act/talk the way they think they should. Trump is not a feminist, he is on the opposite end of the spectrum.
/r/MGTOW05/09/16 02:07 AM
3

They are nice as long as your behaviors are in line with their philosophy. But break any of their rules, and the claws come out. As a hispanic man, you are probably considered a protected minority to them.
/r/MGTOW05/09/16 01:06 AM
2

I don't know much either, but look into getting a 3D printer you can attach to a computer that has design software on it. Those are not that expensive now, less than a grand I believe.
/r/MGTOW05/09/16 01:05 AM
2

Hello. I can't speak for everyone. I'm more of a moderate MGTOW, so my opinions are just my own. No. I think people in general can suck, but I think the current legal and social climate either excuses or rewards bad behavior among women. As a result, you get more of it. Example: A man abuses his wife, he goes to jail. A woman abuses her husband, he goes to jail. He has an affair, he loses his kids and house. She has an affair, she gets the kids and the house. He cheats, he is a piece of shit. Sh…
/r/MGTOW04/09/16 09:01 PM
2

I knew by the third paragraph how this would work out. I knew she'd feel insulted about something and go ballistic before you even started talking about it. This woman is deeply insecure. Deeply insecure people act like wounded animals when their vulnerabilities are tripped. Be glad you learned that early about her. Some women can hide the crazy for months. Some women hide how crazy they are until marriage. Be glad she didn't know how to do that.
/r/MGTOW04/09/16 04:28 PM
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Shes a basket case, not a gold digger. I hired a maid to clean my apartment last year. She kept asking me questions like 'how much is the rent here' 'which car is yours' 'did your girlfriend make you hire a maid' etc. She was a single mother looking for a BB. People assume gold diggers only go after rich guys. Nope. There are a lot of middle class gold diggers out there. Mostly they are working class single mothers looking for college educated single guys with middle class and upper middle class…
/r/MGTOW04/09/16 04:23 PM
11

It still won't work. For one thing, women really only desire 5% of men. Even if all those men picked 4 wives, that means only 20% of women end up with the top 5% of men. But many of those top men do not want 4 wives. Plus many women do not want to share a top man. Also this site seems to be women sharing beta bucks, not sharing Chad. I don't think a lot of betas are going to want to financially support 4 women. Its not going to solve it. Whats still going to happen is a bunch of egotistical wome…
/r/MGTOW04/09/16 04:15 PM
13

Some of the most alone people I've met are people in long term relationships or marriages.
/r/MGTOW04/09/16 04:11 PM
13

eh, a bit. A woman can get welfare and child support. But a lot of them want a beta bucks too. A good BB can provide al ifestyle that welfare and child support cannot.
/r/MGTOW04/09/16 01:31 AM
5

I'm offended that they would call that theory controversial. It is only controversial because women intentionally put on an act of pretending to be more evolved and mature than they really are to keep men ignorant. It'd be like if men pretended to be these evolved, mature, emotionally complex creatures who are oppressed by crude, simple minded women. And now we got offended when research scientists say we want to fuck an endless string of teenage girls. We aren't offended because it isn't true (…
/r/MGTOW04/09/16 01:21 AM
6

Not only that, but then multiple men will question if they are the father or not, which ideally (ideally at least) means multiple men will offer resources, security and protection to the woman to raise what could be their kid. I cannot recall the name of this particular mating strategy women have (women have multiple mating strategies obviously, not just one), but it is a strategy seen in some primates and other life forms. The female will copulate with multiple males in a very short time frame,…
/r/MGTOW04/09/16 01:15 AM
21

Riding the cock carousel in your 20s isn't as fun if you aren't guaranteed some desperate beta to pay your bills and raise Chad's kids for him when you hit your 30s.
/r/MGTOW03/09/16 11:35 PM
10

Some guys on TRP hate MGTOW because MGTOW does not seek validation from female approval or demand masculinity from men. Some women hate MGTOW because there is some genuine hatred for women here (I see lots of posts saying women shouldn't be allowed to have jobs or vote, etc). Some other women hate MGTOW because those women want some spineless beta buck to pay their bills after they get thrown off the cock carousel. Men who go MGTOW have no interest in being BB to some used up woman pushing 40. I…
/r/MGTOW03/09/16 11:34 PM
12

Work on my emotional health and well being. Since I live inside my brain 24/7 I'd like to keep it running in good condition. Also, if possible, participate in the machine intelligence and AI revolution that is occuring this century.
/r/MGTOW03/09/16 11:32 PM
2

Divorce law needs to be changed yet again regarding spousal support. And there should be no expectation of maintaining an identical quality of life. There is a theory that as women earn more money in the economy, and as a result end up losing money and paying alimony in divorce to their husbands, that this may be the fulcrum that leads to changing the laws to prohibit excess divorce awards. Basically, as long as men are suffering nobody cares since men are expendable. But now that women are star…
/r/MGTOW03/09/16 11:30 PM
2

marrage [for men] is for suckers, avoid at all cost. Fixed it for you. For women marriage is still a good deal.
/r/MGTOW03/09/16 11:29 PM
1

I created a fake profile of a Chad in his 30s. What I got were a bunch of mediocre single moms with entitlement issues who thought they were in the same league as him. Meh.
/r/MGTOW03/09/16 11:19 PM
8

In theory, as birth rates fall hopefully the legal and social system will change to make having kids more appealing. Right now it is not. The legal, economic and social system make having kids a very risky move for a lot of people nowadays.
/r/MGTOW03/09/16 11:18 PM
9

Other men do what they say, and they've seen men in relationships with other women be obedient to carrots and sticks.
/r/MGTOW03/09/16 11:16 PM
11

Not to generalize, but you're trying to attract a man with things that women are attracted to; rarely will a man become more attracted to a woman because of how well off that she is. It's a good thing to have, and it isn't a direct negative, but it's not going to earn you any brownie points either. It is projection, and both genders do it (but I think women are worse about it). People assume what they find attractive is the same thing that hte opposite gender finds attractive. So women think hav…
/r/MGTOW03/09/16 11:15 PM
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It is the same story over and over and over with modern women. And they never figure it out. The men who are 'good enough' for her exist, but they can do better than her. The men these women want are elite SMV who have access to younger, nicer, prettier women so they pick those women instead. I can't figure out why this goes over their head. It is like a guy who is broke, ugly, short and fat not able to figure out why female models aren't lining up at his door. The ansewr is that because even th…
/r/MGTOW03/09/16 11:10 PM
5

If you mean that women think men who are 10/10 are actually just 7/10, I'd agree. The modern age has caused women to inflate their desirablity and deflate mens. So a male 9 and a female 6 are, in the minds of modern women, both 7s and in the same league.
/r/MGTOW01/09/16 11:17 AM
24

Is someone just down voting posts? I upvoted yours to get it back to 1. Who knows. Some white knight or angry woman brigade must be lurking. I see support for MGTOW on red pill. My impression is MGTOWers are basically guys in their 30s and 40s, red pill is more guys in their 20s. Due to hormones, in your 20s you are still impressed (and terrified) by women. As you get older, that desire and fear subsides. I love my lowering sex drive as I get older. I think in today's dysfunctional situation a l…
/r/MGTOW01/09/16 01:56 AM
1

Men are also more likely to have neurological illnesses that make them devoid of empathy like anti-social personality disorder or narcissistic personality disorder.
/r/TheRedPill01/09/16 01:23 AM
1

I'm not disagreeing. Women are generally the more prosocial gender. However I do not know if that is due to biology or sociology (women and men are constrained into certain gender roles. Women as caretaker, men as machismo). https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/sexual-personalities/201603/are-men-more-helpful-altruistic-or-chivalrous-women Conclusion Overall, then, it appears women are more prosocial, are more empathetic and emotionally intelligent, value helping more, enter helping professions …
/r/TheRedPill01/09/16 01:18 AM
5

Just think of them as thick magazines.
/r/MGTOW01/09/16 12:54 AM
51

Terrible job market Unfair family court system Women's hypergamy means many men are either empty handed for forced to date down (fewer men have access to quality women for LTRs)
/r/MGTOW01/09/16 12:52 AM
17

Look at our evolutionary history. Women, because they invest more in child care, evolved to be dependent on men. They are dependent on men to provide for them, protect them, offer them resources (food, shelter, etc). Men evolved to invest in women because women selected men who invested. Both genders evolved to invest in children. Women look for men to invest in them, men look for women who are a good investment. Romantic gestures are a way for a man to signify his willingness and ability to inv…
/r/MGTOW31/08/16 10:48 PM
1

The older you get, the more single mothers that will try to use you as a wallet. I'm impressed at saving 34% of your gross though. I only save about 25% of my gross myself.
/r/MGTOW31/08/16 10:41 PM
3

Lots of us are not in the elite 5-20%. That is obvious, because 80-95% of men cannot be in the elite 5-20%. However I've known several guys here who were in the elite 5-20%. Guys who never had a problem with women. I've seen several guys here who were really good looking, who had tons of status, who had a lot of money in the bank, etc. If anything, I think MGTOW is full of reformed beta males and disgusted alpha males. There are omegas here obviously and they are as welcome as anyone. But in my …
/r/MGTOW31/08/16 02:08 AM
1

They want betas as back up men in case the alphas fall through. Ideally they can fuck an endless string of alphas, and then there are a bunch of submissive, financially successful, devoted and loyal beta males to pick from in case they get ejected from the cc. After they get kicked off the cc, then the betas are allowed to hit on them. Not before, if the do it before they are creeps and harassers. Omegas are never permitted to hit on women in the eyes of feminists. Alphas are never not permitted…
/r/MGTOW31/08/16 02:05 AM
4

Yup. They want elite men to hit on them, they want beta men to patiently wait in the wings with their paychecks in one hand and a heart full of devotion in the other to clean up the mess these women have made when they are ejected from the cock carousel in their 30s, and they want omega men to never make any sexual advances under any circumstances. That is what they really mean.
/r/MGTOW31/08/16 02:02 AM
2

Here are several reasons why men aren't bothering in case she cares. Due to apps like Tinder, POF, etc. women's egos and demands have skyrocketed to the point where most men do not see the point in trying. A woman who is a 4 who thinks she deserves a man who is an 8 isn't worth fighting for. The only men who would bother with a woman like that are men who are 8-10 who want a cheap lay, no other man thinks she is worth the effort. That describes a lot of women nowadays. As you get older, you don'…
/r/MGTOW31/08/16 01:59 AM
1

I can write a check for 27K. What do you think a female would have done if she knew I was saving so much or had that much cash on hand? I don't flash my savings, but women still seem to pick up on it. Do you get debt ridden, used up single mothers in their 30s and 40s trying to seduce you too? I get that sometimes.
/r/MGTOW31/08/16 01:57 AM
2

Congrats. I'm hoping to pay off a house before I turn 40.
/r/MGTOW31/08/16 01:56 AM
2

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_R-WhB9g9eYk/TJDSr8V_ShI/AAAAAAAAAOg/VmMGTymAVcI/s1600/teachman
/r/MGTOW31/08/16 01:52 AM
1

Because a lot of MGTOW men are hovering on the line, constantly switching back and forth between dating and MGTOW. Articles like this help remind us of the surplus of entitled, low quality women out there and how society empowers their hypocrisy and bad decision making. It helps remind us that MGTOW is the smart choice.
/r/MGTOW31/08/16 01:50 AM
4

He wasn't intimidated, he was disappointed
/r/MGTOW31/08/16 01:49 AM
3

Honestly, I agree. To want all the benefits of being a man and few of the responsibilities, to always be able to blame others when things go wrong, to get to openly engage in double standards. Sounds nice in a way.
/r/MGTOW31/08/16 01:47 AM
6

Intimidated? You mean repelled. Guys do not want to wife up a slut. It doesn't work out, and guys are right to check into a woman's history. Marriage is a losing proposition for men, so if they are going to invest time and money in a woman, they had better make sure she isn't some flaky serial monogamist who cheats and they end up raising someone else's kid. Female worship has gotten so far that guys doing basic common sense methods of determining 'is this girl good LTR material' is now shamed. …
/r/MGTOW31/08/16 01:45 AM
8

It might get him off the hook, but no, she won't get any penalties for lying to the police.
/r/MGTOW31/08/16 01:37 AM
2

Early feminists fought to give women the right to vote, to end marital rape, to combat domestic violence, to give women reproductive rights, to give women representation in courts, to let women pursue whatever careers they wanted, etc etc. Society functions better when everyone regardless of gender, ethnicity, race, religion, belief system, etc. is allowed to contribute. A society where only a tiny fraction of people are allowed to contribute to science, politics, civics, humanitarian goals, phi…
/r/MGTOW28/08/16 06:00 PM
1

Same here. I don't hate women. I am disappointed sometime that the market has become dysfunctional, and I resent the way some women pass off entitlement as equality but I am not mad at women in general. To the OP: If you want to eschew relationships, go for it. There are guys here who have girlfriends, but who never marry. There are guys here who have FWBs but never get a girlfriend. There are guys here who don't even want a FWB. Whatever you want to do is fine. For a lot of us, we just looked a…
/r/MGTOW28/08/16 02:39 PM
2

Social intelligence The moral animal
/r/MGTOW28/08/16 02:36 PM
2

There is a reason these women are single into their 40s. Because any guy who is 'good enough' for her can do way, way better than an entitled, selfish woman in her 40s. The men who are 'good enough' for narcissistic, saggy single mothers in their 30s and 40s are busy dating kind, compassionate, childless, attractive wome in their 20s. Have you ever seen the movie Christmas Vacation, and Clark is upset that cousin Eddie couldn't find a job in 9 years, then it turns out Eddie was holding out for a…
/r/MGTOW28/08/16 02:27 PM
13

Men need to stop being so thirsty and lacking in self respect. The reason these low quality women are so rude and demanding is because thirsty men worship the ground they walk on.
/r/MGTOW28/08/16 02:25 PM
1

This should be a sticky
/r/MGTOW28/08/16 01:08 AM
1

Men are expendable. That is why we get sent to die in wars. We are easier to replace so society doesn't care about our well being the way it cares about children and (pre-menopausal) women. HR tends to be run by women.
/r/MGTOW28/08/16 01:03 AM
0

I disagree. First and second wave feminist were fine because they were about equality. Third wave feminism is about priviledge. Women wanting to get paid the same for working fewer hours at safer jobs. Women wanting their word to be unquestioned in the courts (wanting a female accusation to be the same thing as a conviction even with 0 evidence other than her words). Even police officers testifying in court have to deal with being cross examined and having their backgrounds dug into. Third wave …
/r/MGTOW27/08/16 10:27 PM
1

A woman who cannot commit, who just uses men for validation and once she achieves it she disappears. Basically someone with commitment issues who leads people on.
/r/MGTOW27/08/16 08:42 PM
1

It is much worse now than even 10 years ago in my experience.
/r/MGTOW27/08/16 08:30 PM
1

It depends. Men can have multiple sexual strategies. IMO, men can pursue either than r or K sexual strategy. r - sleep with a bunch of women, have a bunch of kids, and have 0 paternal involvement with them K - sleep with one woman, have a handful of kids, and have a large amount of paternal investment in them (time, money, attention, etc) Successful men pursue both strategies. they have their main wife and their main kids. But they also have an endless string of prostitutes, mistresses, etc. on …
/r/TheRedPill27/08/16 07:52 PM
2

Speaking of status symbols - just as men compete athletically, physically, intellectually, and economically; so too do women. And the biggest prize of all is to sucker a man into marriage. To get a smart wealthy good-looking man to sign that beastly contract is the ultimate status symbol. It says "I am so amazing and beautiful that I convinced this powerful amazing man to throw his whole life away for me" Now THAT is power. For women this is the equivalent of what screwing the hot virgin is for…
/r/TheRedPill27/08/16 07:48 PM
2

In many species, the new alpha male will kill the female's old children before he mates with her. humans do this too in war (kill the children, rape the women). This isn't good for biology because it just leaves an endless line of dead children. Being pregnant is very hard on a woman physically, so in a lot of ways having a few children with a mediocre man who protects them is better than having a bunch of children with a string of alpha males, where each alpha male kills the previous alpha male…
/r/TheRedPill27/08/16 07:43 PM
2

If you live frugally it can be. If you buy a small home in a cheap part of the country, invest part of your money in real estate, etc. you can get by for life on a million dollars. Assuming you do not run into some major health issue that your insurance refuses to cover. Aside from health care, you can live the rest of your life on a million dollars if you do it right.
/r/TheRedPill27/08/16 07:40 PM
1

Women engage in mate switching. Men on the other hand want to fuck and endless cycle of fertile women. Both genders are primed to cheat, but they do it differently. Men want a main woman and family (who they can be devoted to) while they have an endless cycle of one night stands, prostitutes and mistresses on the side Women want one man to commit to them while they have an endless pool of beta orbiters who can provide them with security, resources and protection if their main man disappears.
/r/TheRedPill27/08/16 06:57 PM
2

Looking for a man who loves to travel = looking for a man who is healthy with disposable income and a good job This site is full of losers = men out of my league have no interest in me Men only want sex = men out of my league don't call me after fucking me I hate drama = I cause drama wherever I go and it always catches up to me Looking for a man, not a boy = I fucked up my life and need someone more mature and responsible than me to fix the mess Must be able to hold a conversation = I'm boring …
/r/MGTOW27/08/16 06:16 PM
36

A lot of the women who are over 30 and still on the market have something really wrong with them. I say this as a man who is in his 30s and tried dating, and eventually went MGTOW. Here is what makes up the majority of single women in their 30s: Crazies Abusers Flakes Entitled princesses Single mothers looking for a wallet and free babysitter General fuckups (addicts, criminals, etc) Women who are 5s who think they are 7s, and think they deserve a man who is an 8-10. The perpetually miserable an…
/r/MGTOW27/08/16 06:13 PM
58

This is a major tactic of third wave feminists. "Anything a woman doesn't like on a moment to moment basis is sexism or due to men's failings" So if a woman wants one night stands but can't get them (or can't get them without shame)? Sexism! If a woman wants a relationship but can only get one night stands? Sexism! If a woman gets hit on and doesn't like it? Sexism! If a woman wants men to approach her but they don't? Men are gutless! Woman wants to dress sexy and slutty but society opposes it? …
/r/MGTOW27/08/16 05:59 PM
10

There is a theory that guys who are desperate for female validation (like pick up artists and other men who cannot feel complete and whole unless random women are offering them validation and approval by having sex with them) had mothers who neglected their emotional needs as children. So I would not be surprised in the slightest if red pill is filled with guys who have selfish mothers who neglected them, and now as adults they are desperate to find ways to obtain approval and validation from wo…
/r/MGTOW27/08/16 05:47 PM
13

Third wave feminism has told women that whatever they want, they deserve. The end result is a bunch of mediocre women in their 30s who all think they deserve monogamy with the most desirable 5% of men. A woman can still hold herself together in her 30s. Not as well as her 20s, and it takes work, but there are still some decent looking women in their 30s. However by their 40s? Forget it. Unless you have amazing genetics and/or a lot of time for beauty routines, exercise, surgery, etc. most women …
/r/MGTOW27/08/16 05:37 PM
15

A woman can easily get several hundred thousands of dollars worth of shelter, transportation, health care, food, entertainment, etc. just by marrying a middle class guy. A woman who marries a guy who makes six figures can easily get millions worth of those things. So many of them abuse (verbally and emotionally) and nag the men they are with, and sadly society tells men to think that this is a great trade.
/r/MGTOW27/08/16 05:27 PM
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