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Women don't care. You make them feel bad by merely existing -> you're a mysogynist, harraser, abuser, incel, gropist. It's typical projection of internal aggression onto external object, so that she doesn't have to be angry with herself because she's unhappy.
/r/MensRights09/06/26 02:03 PM
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Men are better than ever in all the things that feminists say matter, yet misandry is that an all-time high. Because men allowed women to wipe the floor with them. What would kids do if they were allowed to do anything without any consequence and responsibility? They would wreak havoc and shit on adults' heads. Because they are driven by emotions and spontaneous urges. Women are like that, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 05:36 PM
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While it's true men and women are different, however, it's also true that majority of men display specific traits that are not prominent among women, and vice versa. After all, we're different on physical level. It would be weird if those physical differences would not reflect on our character and patterns of behavior. Imagine a body optimized for walking on legs equipped with a brain that doesn't have any engrained inclination or preference to walking on two legs. It just doesn't make sense. Me…
/r/MensRights26/05/26 02:11 PM
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I wonder if you asked AI about husband screaming on his wife... would you get the same response... UPD I just did it. Shiiiiiiiit...
/r/MensRights23/05/26 09:15 AM
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Now you're just completely distorting what I said Please read again what I took the time to write and put my effort into educating you. Have some respect to people who do that, otherwise you're the one who will be left miserable and whining.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:34 PM
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I think if they estimated they could realistically get into a committed relationship with a movie star, many would go for it. In any social group, you can clearly see girls are attracted to winners and leaders, and not losers.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:31 PM
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Girls 13-14 can be fully developed and have all attractive features of 20y.old girls. I'm not sure why kids are developing so fast now, could be something with food or hormones. But if you didn't know her age, you would assume she's 18 or 20 even. How are you supposed to know? Especially when they dress and do make up like 20 y.olds (which is becoming increasingly popular - again, I'm not saying it's okay, it's just happening no matter what you or I think about it). Of course it doesn't mean the…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:27 PM
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Because those are the men they believe are the best they can get. Women sleeping with rednecks would only sleep with the most high value high status rednecks they can get their hands on
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:45 PM
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Add Clavicular to the list
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:43 PM
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Women self-report what other women expect them to report. The truth is, for women it's very important to "fit in" and be accepted into the "girldom" herd (it's also evolutionary). Modern women would never publicly admit they're "suffering". As for men, you only hear men who are complaining. Men who do not complain - do not create a lot of noise.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:42 PM
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True. But you can become hotter as you age if you get status, social proof, expertise and respect. Young guys rarely have that because it takes time to build and aquire. Men are not "born" attractive, they have to build their attraction. Some succeed in it, some don't. However, women are born attractive (well, they automatically become attractive as they hit 18, unless they have serious health issues).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:37 PM
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I didn't get the reference.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:33 PM
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Women's arousal is evolutionary programmed to pick the owner of best genes THAT ALSO will maximize the chances of her survival and her offsprings. Carrying a child of a seasoned warlord gives her and her offsprings better chances, than carrying a child of some young hotshot who might not even get far in social hierarchy but happens to be hot. Therefore, looks and youth are less important factors of attraction for women than for men. Women actually feel aroused by signs of high value man. It's ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:38 PM
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There is enough research proving that men of any age find girls 18-24 the most sexually attractive, which totally aligns with evolutionary psychology (young girls are the most fertile). Men can say they prefer women of "appropriate age" as virtue signaling, because they are afraid of getting in trouble if they don't. But facts are facts. What we perceive as attractive is not random, it serves specific purpose of reproduction. Eventually, mating and dating is about reproduction. If reproduction w…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:09 PM
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it's not incels making up statistics, it's people's behavior. Women do find most men "below average" in attractiveness and get "ick" from them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 11:53 AM
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When childless women are asked about the reasons why they don't have kids, the most frequent answer is "didn't find the right partner". Doesn't sound like someone who is happy with their singledom.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 10:40 AM
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That's how power dynamics works. Women are very skilled in covert status games and passive aggression.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 09:34 AM
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You confuse being honest and being direct. When you write BS, I will call out your BS. You can cry and whine and throw a tantrum, but BS is still BS. People see what you're doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 09:31 AM
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If people agree that you're trolling, then you're trolling.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 09:29 AM
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Telling the facts is called "harassing" these days? Just close the thread and nobody will be able to post here. As long as you keep it open - anyone can confront you about your hipocrisy and attempts at trolling.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 09:27 AM
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That's not what you wrote originally though.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 07:06 AM
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Well, if it is based on experiments and the data is replicable (which it is) then by definition it is hard science. You are more than welcome to carry out your own research, prove its conclusions to be wrong, and publish your results in some respected science journal to be scrutinized and discussed. Many tried, but so far no one really succeeded. The main criticism againt EP today is "It is morally wrong to think about people this way".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 08:11 PM
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You realize that calling hard science "cohesive" reeks of your desperation, right? While you're at it, feel free to also call the force of gravity "mysoginistic" and "oppressive".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 06:28 PM
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No it's specifically sexual thing. Read "Evolution of desire" by David Buss, he did some very comprehensive studies on the matter. If you don't know how to read real science that's not my problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:53 PM
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Fair enough. Would you tell the guy on the first date how many kids you want, what you expect your husband to do in marriage, all the ways you expect him to take care of you? How many gifts and acts of services you expect him to provide? Would you also tell him about all your traumas and insecurities and stuff reserved for your psychotherapist? After all, it's important for him to understand upfront what he's signing up for if he decides to date you.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 02:48 PM
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Give your definition of trade, please. Then we'll see if it happens in relationships or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 02:44 PM
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Now you're just trolling.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 02:43 PM
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*some men love novelty There is enough peer reviwed research in the area of evolutionary psychology proving that sexual variety is a very important thing for men. It's a matter of our nature, not choice or social conditioning. We're programmed this way, just like we're programmed to like sugary food. Just like women are programmed to like babies and cute cats and dogs. Imagine someone told you that you should be ashamed of your affection to cute cats and dogs, and if you're a decent lady then yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 02:42 PM
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Rule 1: The guy is always the bad and guilty one. Rule 2: When the guy is not the bad and guilty one - see Rule #1.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 02:37 PM
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You think only hookers do trade? And you're probably not a hooker? Then I guess you are willing to give something valueable in a relationship and not receive anything back? No? Well, if you're only willing to give something when you get something - it's a trade by definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 02:35 PM
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Would you prefer this communicated on the first date? Don't you think it's a bit too much? Don't you want to trust the person first, before you share intimate parts of your personality?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 02:33 PM
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So basically, you say a woman should decide for herself what she wants, and do only what she wants. But a man should do sexual acts with her that she actually likes (I literally quote what you wrote - You should want to do sexual acts with her that she actually likes). Well, what if a man doesn't want to do those acts? Do you really believe men exist to satisfy women the way they want to be satisfied, and what a man wants or doesn't want - is unimportant and irrelevant?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 02:29 PM
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Mike Sartain does this thing on his show where he asks girls if they dated a narcissist. 90% say yes. Then he brings up stats that only a few % of population are narcissists. Either those girls have been dating the same guy, or...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 09:16 AM
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You do know that social skills are a way to make you attractive and someone others want to be around right? Wanting to be around someone is a big difference from desiring them sexually. I want to be around my guy buddies, but I don't want to get naked in bed with them. You're talking about two different things. Because if you aren't aware of that basic idea, you are a blind man proclaiming you can see. Okay, I'm a bad man, toxic abuser and whatever, the question is - if you really believe that, …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 05:34 PM
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Question mostly aimed at attractive, socially successful men: I’ve noticed that a lot of men who openly talk about “spinning plates,” multiple girlfriends, side chicks, etc. also confidently say they’ll be amazing fathers someday. These are often men who are attractive, successful with women, make good money, and care a lot about legacy. I don't think you will find that kind of men in this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 11:11 AM
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Why are you downplaying or ignoring social skills? Because once the woman decides you're not attractive as a man to her (and she does that very quickly based on first impression), it is really hard to change her mind. You have to find valid reasons for being around her and interacting with her, and in those interactions you have to show very high level of "social skills" (storytelling, flirting, joking, showing you understand her feelings, etc.). It's possible but hard to do, because she will pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 08:14 AM
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Well, modern women are increasingly childless and pushing the agenda that motherhood is something unworthy. How can not having kids be better for the species? So, yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 06:43 PM
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You need to understand that high IQ became a factor of success only in the last centuries. Maybe a couple thousand years at best. For evolution, it's like two hours ago. It's nothing. Evolution operates on hundreds of thousands years. It didn't have enough time to catch up with technology and society. We're basically running Windows 11 software on Pentium I hardware (our brains are not much different from our ancestors 50 000 years ago). Upper body strength and height are among top predictors of…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 02:54 PM
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They were not good enough at the time when they were available, and when they became good enough - they got many options and either settle down or just keep playing with no intention to settle down.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 01:36 PM
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You are not wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 01:34 PM
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I agree to a large extent, however I believe it's not just personal experience with players but also Hollywood romcoms that popuralized "drama" relationships (calm stable predictable relationships do not attract a lot of audience) and social media, where women see how other women put their lifestyle (and their boyfriends) on display, and psychotherapists telling them they deserve the very best and should not compromise... So they want that lifestyle for themselves, they want to travel and party …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 01:34 PM
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Women are shamed having allegedly high standards - No, men just explain that when you consider 80%+ of men to be "below average", you basically sign up for trouble. When 4 out of 5 women go after the same man, do you see any happy outcomes for the women in this scenario? If you're okay sharing a guy with other 3 girls, then I have no further questions your honor. At least you're aware of your prospects. If that makes you happy - go for it. There is nothing shameful in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 01:16 PM
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I agree that it is natural selection, but I do not agree that the way women filter men leads to success of human race. Sometimes natural selection actually leads to the death of species. There are a few examples, one notable being some deer whose females preferred males with big horns, so males with bigger horns reproduced and next generations got bigger and bigger horns until it made them easy targets for predators, so they went extinct. People do not always make the best choices when they rely…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 12:45 PM
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So 80% women are "bad" according to your definition. Assuming most men want to mate and date "good" women (which are 20% or less), what are the chances for them to actually succeed?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 12:36 PM
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I told you what kind of woman I want, you call it BS basically denying me my agency. What bit you today, person?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 10:25 AM
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the best version of yourself is usually not the current version. And changing version of yourself is the same as changing yourself. If you buy new version of Iphone, then you have a new version and get rid of the old one. It's just verbal gymnastics.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 10:19 AM
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What is "yourself" though? At school I used to be a thin nerd who could barely do a pull-up, but I started working out and became lean. Those are very different "yourselves". You can't be both. So which one should you be? If someone told me at school "just be yourself and the right person will like you as you are" then I would have little incentive to hit the gym.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 10:17 AM
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80% women go after the same 10-15% of high value dudes. Are they "bad" women or "good" women?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 09:12 AM
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Feminist men are not thriving. Liberal women still desire masculine strong men. It's ultimate female dream to "tame a beast", see "The beauty and the beast" describing it in archetypical form. Women want a beast (bad boy) who will be a prince (nice guy) only to her. Men want a good girl who will be a baddie only to him. Women don't get attracted to labubu men. They treat them as gay friends at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 09:10 AM
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personally I want a woman who knows what she wants and can express it explicitly. As in, with words. Not this subtle hints and mood swings BS.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 08:46 AM
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Maybe they don't want men getting back to parity?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 04:30 PM
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What kind of response are you expecting when you try to bring gender to an issue that has no relation to gender?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 04:27 PM
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I'm just highlighting double standards. If you're arguing against men "hijacking" women complaining about their troubles, but also believe it's okay for women to "hijack" men complaining about their troubles - you're just a hypocrite. And if you're willing to openly admit you're a hypocrite... well, do it. I don't see men hijacking anything, the problems arise when women start comparing themselves with men and saying they have it worse and demand extra privileges.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 02:20 PM
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What are "environments and contexts meant for women" that men "frequently hijack"?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 11:56 AM
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It's a meme when feminists raise their issues men come and demand someone first should solve theirs It's a meme when men raise their issues and women come and demand someone first should solve theirs. Are you planning to do anything about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 11:54 AM
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Having focus on how to get already paired people to make babies doesn't deny the premise that dating crisis is in the spotlight, and people acknowledge it's not simply "men's fault". Just google "dating crisis" and see what kind of sources and people are talking about it. The narrative is changing indeed.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:50 AM
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How many religious people who believe in traditional family and oppose feminism and wokism are there in the USA?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:43 AM
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Yet by pretty much every metric, young men HAVE been significantly better If you look at who women actually sleep with, you will see they are nothing like you described. Liberal women are not attracted to liberal men. They still want a "real man" not the labubu-man who goes to therapy and is emotiuonally available. But they can't admit it openly because other women will hate and ostracize them (women care a lot about fitting in, it's an evolutionary thing). So the only way for them - is to opt-o…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:40 AM
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A need is something that will directly cause death if it's not met. Social ties are a need even though you will not die without them. Social deprivation is considered a form of torture. So, your definition is not accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 08:36 PM
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Men also do not have a need for food variety. But surviving on bread and water is a very sad way to live and will make most men depressed. Women too. Because our bodies are not supposed to live on bread and water. Evolution shaped men to look for reproductive opportunities, because we're descendats of men who succeeded in that race. The genes of men who didn't seek sexual variety or weren't able to achieve it - died away. It's just common sense. That's how natural selection works. Men can suppre…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 08:32 PM
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How you socialize is learned from your environment. Yep. You see a chad approach a pretty girl and yell "You're a hottie, let's have drinks sometime?" and she giggles and gives him her number. You do the same, and the girl shows disgust and complains about harrasment. Way to learn from the environment!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 08:28 PM
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Those things are common sense for everyone who is normally socially adjusted Being socially adjusted, and knowing how to attract a woman - are two different things. There are tons of guys who have a job, go out, see friends and do other "socially adjusted" stuff. But they don't know how to ignite that "spark" in women, because, well, nobody told them how to do it. I know women think it should be "natural", because that's how it is for women. Men are attracted to women, as they are (especially wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 08:24 PM
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I think the shift is because Democrats lost the Presidency. They admitted themselves they lost because of young mens' votes. Kamala blamed it on Andrew Tate and Myron in her memoires. Pandering to women is not cutting it anymore, so they have to start thinking about young men too and talk about their problems. Don't think there is a solution, though. The genie is out of the bottle. You cannot make women like specific men more (they already tried with "Smart is the new sexy", see how that played …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 07:49 PM
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Motivation doesn't matter. It's the POV and admittance of issues in the dating market that does.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 07:42 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZfEvx4-7SE Debrah Soh at Chris Williamson podcast. I'd also add Dr. Dani Sulikowski, her take is more about female tactics of reproductory suppression and evolutionary psychology, but I think it's very relevant to dating market issues. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsy41uI1dmY
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 07:41 PM
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Getting sexual access to someone is a privilege, if you’re not giving the other gender what they want you’ll just be alone. The problem is figuring out what the other gender wants, since what they say they want is often not what they really want.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 02:31 PM
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Maybe try reading some Evolutionary Psychology on mate choice and sexual strategies of men and women? Or even better, listen to Dr Sulikowski explaining the subtle ways women compete with each other and suppress each others reproductive opportunities. It will blow your mind, how far what women say is from what they mean. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsy41uI1dmY
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 10:57 AM
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He's not angry. I will tell you what happened there. You felt angry because Pleasant-Toe exposed the truth about your psyche that you hate to admit. You felt angry because part of you realizes he is correct, but the other part is disgusted that he's correct and you actually are like that. You hate being angry at yourself, so you need to project that anger onto something external, ideally something or someone that triggered that anger. So you project it onto Pleasant-Toe and blame him for being a…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 10:54 AM
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If a woman does not lust over you in long term relationship, then she will lust over someone else. So lust is important as well. It is not the only thing that is important, but if you don't have it - it creates all sorts of risks.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 10:49 AM
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Well, OP was talking about "hyper", which translates into "too much". Which really sounds like addiction. "unable to sit still and constantly having to do something" doesn't sound healthy to me. It's like comparing alcoholic to a casual drinker. They are different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 06:28 PM
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Nope. Most people like certain degree of novelty, but being addicted to it is destructive (that's the very definition of addiction). If you feel bored without constant injection of thrill and novelty - how are you expecting tofulfil your duties at work and at home? Most jobs are series of routine tasks. But such person can't stand routine. They are unreliable and unpredictable, because sticking to plans and routines is "boo-ring!". Do you want to be in a serious relationship with unreliable unpr…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 06:21 PM
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If a person is "addicted" to novel stimulation, how do you estimate their chances to be faithful and honest in committed relationship which mostly consists of routines?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 02:26 PM
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Well, it seems that feminism achieved it's goals, at least society is the closest to feminist ideal in all of history. But women today seem to be the least happy in all of human history. AD consumption is growing every year, as is number of depressed people most of whom are women. Number of women complaining all over internet is also through the roof. It seems as if the more women get of what they ask for, the less happy they become. Then they ask for even more, and when they get it they become …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 02:13 PM
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Well if one side is a fiend then another one is obviously a victim. If no one is a victim, then no one is a fiend.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 11:39 AM
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It's hard for me to imagine a scenario where a man would explicitly lie about this. After all, you can't get in his head and know his true intentions. He could be thinking that it might work out, but then change his mind. He could be figuring things out as they go. It's not like a man has a 10-year roadmap when he approaches a girl or DMs her on Instagram. The typical scenario is that the girl wants to proceed with a relationship and the guy doesn't. So she convinces herself he planned it in adv…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 11:38 AM
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So you basically say "women might find a man showing vulnerability endearing or disgusting, and no one can say how she will react because it depends on so many factors". So you agree it is gambling. Men generally don't want to gamble in their relationships. They want something solid, clear and predictable. Therefore advice to not show vulnerability is relevant, because it lets you avoid gambling.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 10:59 AM
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If both people wanted to have sex, what makes one "a degenerate sex fiend" and the other one a victim?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 10:55 AM
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The same man might want only sex with one woman and serious relationship with another. But he will not know until relationship starts, and relationships start after sex. So committing to a woman before sex is like gambling. You might not like her, but you already signed up for the whole life with her. In reality though people make decisions whether to continue the relationship every day..Both men and women. One day you can just decide to get a divorce after 20 years of marriage. Or you might dec…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 10:52 AM
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It's not men or red pill who treat vulnerabilities as weakness. It's women. How many times woman stopped being attracted to her man after seeing him in the moment of weakness? How many girls ditched their boyfriend after seeing him cry, or complain about some problem he couldn't handle? Red Pill just calls out these things. It is based on facts and statistics and experience. If it is not - them it is something else but not Red Pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 09:02 AM
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How would you prefer dating to happen? like, describe a situation how man and woman meet each other and start dating. Who approaches whom? Who takes initiative? What is considered trying to impress her?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 02:16 PM
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Flirting is an interactive activity. If only one person is “flirting” without reciprocation it is harassment. So when I say to a girl at a coffee shop that she looks very pretty, but she doesn't reciprocate - it is harrassment. Okay, I got it. That's why men no longer compliment random women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 08:15 AM
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You can see them as object and respect them at the same time. Like, I can respect and admire objects of art. But I also see them as objects. And I don't necessarily want to do things to them, other than just admire their beauty.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 08:12 AM
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It's women's rights, not men's rights. They assume men have all the power and privileges, so they don't have any problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 08:10 AM
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People are already creating 'relationships' with AI. When Google changed the 'character' of ChatGPT with one of the updates, there were a lot of complains because people 'befriended' him (as in - they had regular chats about everything like they would with a friend), and then in one moment that 'person' was gone. It was no longer communicating in a recognizeable manner they were used to. And they couldn't take it. Because ChatGPT "got them" better than real people. You need to understand that 'r…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 08:04 AM
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Objectification is more like treating a person like an object. And just assuming they are open to your sexualization just cuz you find them sexy. I think you are describing a mental disability where person is unable to see another person as a living human being with their own feelings and desires. I don't think "objectification" is the right term in this case. It's called sociopathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 07:37 PM
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What do you mean by "see as object"? We all are "objects", as in - physical things existing in objective reality. People are objects (living conscious animate objects). Sexualizing is finding someone sexually attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 07:35 PM
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Objectification is the label women put on sexualization when they don't like it. It's similar to flirting vs harrasment. The same action will be labeled flirting if the woman likes it, or harrassment if she doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 07:32 PM
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Well, if you really think about it then no you can't. You call social skills the ability to say what you actually feel in an inoffensive way, but if your feelings are offensive - then disguising that offensiveness is actually hipocrisy. But that's okay. You just can't have it both ways. Being authentic has its cost, after all. Not being liked is the cost.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 05:40 PM
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You can't say what you really think and also please other people at the same time, if those things are contradictory, though. I might not like some people, but if I have to be around them - I have to hide my actual thoughts and feelings. And that is not being authentic.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 05:35 PM
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You can't decide until you have sex. It's like buying a cat in a sack. How the heck are you expected to decide if you want to pay for it until you examine what you are paying for? It's like buying a used car without a test drive and total examination. No one does that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 04:15 PM
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Well, society kind of puts young men in impossible situation. They are expected to be strong and assertive, but when they try to do it - they are deemed toxic and sexist. It seems like they can't do no right. So, the only way out is to check out.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 04:12 PM
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Well, I can show you and hundred other random people 3 photos, and 95% or more will rank then in terms of attractiveness the same way. If so many people agree on other people's attractiveness, then there is no way they are "in the middle". It's true that among attractive people, like Hollywood stars - different people would pick different ones. There is a degree of subjectivity. However, if you take random Hollywood star and random person from the steet, the Hollywood star would absolutely be mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 04:09 PM
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Very naive belief. Like believing in Santa Claus. No, being attractive by definition is not about "the right people". It's by definition the ability to attract. Many people. Among whom, you might like some. That's how it works in real world. If no one likes you - there is no guarantee that somewhere exists "the right person" who will dig you as you are. It's a fairy tale brainwashed into your mind with romantic movies. And experiences of millions of people prove that every day. Attractive and li…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 11:38 AM
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Same is true for women. Like yourself, for example. The level of bitterness and angst in this thread is over 9000.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 11:33 AM
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People generally pick what is the best for themselves. In current day and age, being in a committed monogamous relationship is just too expensive for both sides (in terms of direct and alternative costs), which is why it becomes a luxury (as described in OP's scenario #4). Women don't need men to provide resources (they earn their own money now), don't need men to provide protection, don't need men for attention and validation (social networks fulfill that need much better). So why would an aver…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 09:17 AM
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Which is most of western civilization.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 08:52 AM
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Violence against women is already at all-history low. Now is the best time in all of human history to be a woman. And yet, women seem to be less and less happy (more depression, more AD consumption). That is saying something. Maybe women just don't know what they really want, and giving them what they say they want makes them less happy?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 08:50 AM
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"In case of emergency - blame TRP"
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 08:48 AM
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The trends and statistics OP mentioned clearly show it's not possible. Unless the tide is reversed. You are basically arguing scenario #4 will be the prevalent one. But it's not where the ship of humanity (at least it's western wing) is headed.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 08:22 AM
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Nice one! Regarding scenario #2 - I believe it's already happening implicitly for a portion of population, be a statistics clearly shows there are more sexless men then women (especially among younger people). It can only be explained with a few man sleeping with multiple women. Keep in mind that modern young men have Internet, online games and pr0n to curb their frustration, so they won't be creating a lot of anarchy like they would in previous ages.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 08:19 AM
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The problem with your approach to attraction is, you reduce it to finding the "right" people. Doesn't matter if you are ugly, obese and have a terrible personality - the "right" person will like you as you are. But it does not work like that. Attraction is a function of your characteristics, not of finding "the right person". If 99% of people don't like you, the remaining 1% will probably not like you too. And the reason is - you're not likeable. But admitting this truth is painful, so people cr…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 07:57 AM
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Depends on your definition of "winning". Enjoying life can be a win of its own.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 03:58 PM
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If the jacket’s sitting in the back room and only the employees see it, of course it’s not getting bought. That doesn’t mean it’s a bad jacket, it means it’s not being put in front of the right people. You operate on the premise that there are "right people" and "wrong people", when in fact there are just... people. People are not that different in what they like and don't like. Sure, in some minor cosmetic stuff they can have different tastes - someone likes blue jacket, someone prefers black. …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 03:56 PM
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What is purple pill exactly? "Blue pill" = "be a nice kind caring guy catering to the girls' needs and they will like you", "Red pill" = "blue pill is a lie", so what is "Purple pill"? "Blue pill is a lie, but also not a lie, pick one dependent on your mood"?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 12:54 PM
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What kind of commitment do you expect before you had sex? Are you willing to commit to the man yourself? What if, for whatever reason, you don't like sex with him? What if you lose attraction to him AFTER sex? How are you planning to respect your commitment?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 07:16 PM
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Are you talking about cases when first date looks more like interrogation? "Are you a virgin? What is your bodycount? Are you looking for a serious relationship? I'm not here for hookups, I need a grown man who will take care of me. What is your profession? How much do you earn? Do you have your own apartment? What car do you drive? Do you want kids? Do you know they are expensive?" Yeah, that sounds veeeeeery healthy and promising. I'd ask how YOU imagine such a date, but I already did it and y…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 07:11 PM
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I think in case of "pills" we're not talking about advice for a specific person in a specific situation, but rather generic advice that can be widely applicable. For example, if you're into gym stuff - there is generic advice proved efficient by thousands of other people. Progressive overload. Surplus of calories. Protein. Creatine. Good sleep and restoration. Splits. Right technique. Et cetera. Doesn't mean there are absolutely no exceptions, but overall it works for the vast majority of guys a…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 07:06 PM
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It's totally possible to have mutually agreed on casual sex For most people not on the spectrum it would kill intrigue and all the fun coming with it. When it comes to romancing and sex, people (especially women, because for women it's more about emotions, while for men it's more physical) crave not knowing and having to be on their toes. The guy who makes it obvious to a girl he's into her and what he wants - loses his charm, like, immediately. Ask any of countless millions of guys who tried th…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 08:00 PM
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Please describe a realistic situation (not some fringe cringe) where an average normal guy would lie to have sex. Like, he hides the fact he's married - it's not technically lying if the girl didn't specifically ask for it, but let's call it "beyond morally ambiguous". But what else? Who in their right mind discuss "serious relationship" before having sex for the first time, except the religious people? Who in their right mind expect commitment before having sex for the first time?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 07:54 PM
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Other people, of course. Or rather your target audience. If you say that a date with you is worth $100k and some man is willing to pay it - then you are worth it. If there is no man willing to pay - you are not worth it. It's the cat who decides which milk is good.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 01:29 PM
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Tell that to an acknowledged researcher in the field of human science, that their field is unnecessary and people need less science, and instead should just "touch grass". Really, let's remove all science and focus on the grass. Great idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 01:27 PM
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Women are generally the ones asking for commitment, because generally women gain more from it and men lose more. The opposite is true for sex, therefore it's men who generally are pursuing sex. Even though there are cases when woman would pursue sex with specific guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 01:24 PM
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It's not about loving the chase. It's about wanting a partner who is "above your level". The one who chases is the one who believes they are getting more out of the relationship. If you consider your partner and your relationship "just meh", you will not chase and will not make a lot of effort. So if a woman chases a man, it means the men is probably "above her level", and if that is true then he probably just wants her for sex until he finds his "true gem". But if the woman wasn't chasing and w…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 01:22 PM
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However, in most cases there is no "lying". People just don't talk about their expectations during early stages of relationship. Sometimes they don't talk about it even at later stages, because they're afraid their partner will go away or they expect the partner to figure out what is expected of them, since it is "obvious". If men told women right away "I want to have sex with you right now and not planning ahead of that", they would never get relationship or sex. Same is true for women. When wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 12:37 PM
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What if the man needs time to decide what he wants from woman? Women like to say they need time to figure out if they like a guy or not. Well, surprise surprise - men also need time before they "sign the contract". BTW it works both ways - if woman expects immediate commitment she should just honestly say that. But women don't do that, because they know doing it before the guy is into her will scare him off.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 11:50 AM
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Yep, you're right. We are hostages of our biology. Perhaps in this context, dropping levels of testosterone in men actually makes sense. Modern world favors women's opinions and benefit. Women don't want sex as much as men, so men should be "shaped" into the image favorable by women which is - less libido, which means less testosterone. Hopefully with the development of AI robo girlfriends, women will finally be released from this sexual oppression and be able to live their dream sexless lives. …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 11:46 AM
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Good for you, I guess. You know what you want from a man. However the point still stands - women have value by default, as-is. Men have to build their value. Men are expected to bring something to "the table" while women believe they are "the table". It is not fair, but it is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 11:21 AM
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Well, first of all - modern women are taught that such acts from a man somehow humiliate them, because it means that a woman cannot take care of themselves. Second - such type of behavior, women appreciate from men whom they already like. If a random dude starts filling up someone's bottles and overcomplimenting, ladies will consider it "unwanted attention" which is equivalent of harassment. But if a woman already likes a guy and wants to be treated like a princess by him, it means she doesn't l…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 10:10 AM
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On the one hand, I tend to agree. On the other, have you ever seen those shows where a lean tan muscle guy goes on stage and takes off his shirt, and all women are immediately crying like little girls. Or how girls react to male strippers. It seems like women are simply conditioned to suppress their sexual desires, but in a safe or appropriate environment they show it quite a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 09:39 AM
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What's funny is that receiving so much more didn't make women happier. Depression is becoming more and more common among women. People who get what they really want and are happy - don't go into depression...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 07:31 AM
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So now it's men's fault that girls bully each other in elementary school. Good job.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 07:29 AM
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But that's what you suggested in the first place, ain't?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 07:28 AM
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It's hard to bring something into a woman's life when women fight to provide everything for themselves. Women are earning as much as men, women outcompete men in education, women have psychotherapists to receive understanding and compassion, women have social media to get attention and validation. Tell me, what can an average dude give to an average lady that she doesn't already have?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 07:27 AM
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So you say that it's men who need sex, company and kids, and women don't need that, therefore men have to pay women for providing that "value". Okay then. I believe you know what is called "exchange sex for money". Let's call spade a spade then and don't pretend otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 07:19 AM
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There is no disbalance… whatever price a woman sets, there’s always gonna be a man desperate or horny enough to pay it. No, because a man might be willing to pay it but he doesn't have the resources. Like, if a woman demands $100 000 of monthly allowance - a desperate and horny man might be willing to give it to her, but he doesn't have that kind of money. Or maybe she demands 6 feet, and no amount of horny-ness will make a man a few inches longer (well, not in the part that matters). Plus the i…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 05:10 PM
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Getting attention and even sex is easy for women. However, getting commitment is very hard. But women trick themselves into believing that they can get commitment from every a man who is willing to sleep with them. Which is very far from the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 05:06 PM
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In a perfect world, everyone would have an "equal" partner. But in reality, some people have abundance of options while other have nothing. This is mostly about men, which is what real data is telling us. This indicates a "broken" market. Imagine a situation where people line up to buy some branded milk available only in one supermarket, and having to fight for it with other customers because there is not enough of that milk for everyone. While other producers of milk can't sell their product an…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 05:03 PM
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I'd argue the disbalance between demand and supply happens because social media, coaches and therapists inflate women value (as in - convince women they are "worth" more that they actually are), and when they can't find anyone willing to pay the price - they convince themselves and others that it's okay to be alone and even something to be proud of, having a boyfriend is "toxic", men are trash, etc. Basically a form of cop... let's call it "accepting reality". Other women watch and listen to the…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 04:52 PM
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AI Bot detected.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 07:32 PM
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If you can't measure it, then you can't say what is "asking for too much".
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 07:31 PM
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While it is publicly accepted and encouraged for men to display weakness, what it brings in reality is denial of opportunities. Women will not openly criticize you, they will just cut you off any romantic prospects because "they don't feel the spark and don't owe you anything". This is why so many young men are confused today. They do as they are told by general public discourse, they avoid masculinity (which is toxic) and display their vulnerabilities, and they end up with nothing. The tragedy …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 01:59 PM
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With health you obviously know when you're feeling well or not. If you had fever yesterday and don't have it today - then whatever your doctor told you to do must be working. Even if you can't feel it, it's usually measurable with objective metrics like temperature, composition of your blood, etc. But with psychotherapy, you can never know if you're good or not, if you're improving or degrading. In fact I argue that majority of psychotherapists do gaslight their clients by denying and twisting t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 01:19 PM
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What is the alternative?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 01:15 PM
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If there were enough women who like emotionally open honest and vulnerable guys, and demstrating those traits would get more men laid - then men would be incentivized to develop and display those traits. Don't forget it's the women who decide what kind of man is attractive and they reward that man with sex and relationships. Men who do not get sex and relationships - look at men who have that and try to become more like them. Basically it's hundreds of years of natural selection driven mostly by…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 11:26 AM
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No it's not. With doctors, you know which result is good and which is bad. With PT you don't. PT can convince you of anything they want. You feel too much - you don't feel enough, you think too much - you don't think enough, you should do more - no you should stop trying and let things go their intended way. There is no truth in PT world, and that means there is no right or wrong, no measure of efficacy. Efficacy is in coaching, like "I want to have more dates" - that's something measurable. You…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 11:05 AM
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Only with doctors, you can clearly see when the doctor is bad (his prescriptions do not make you feel better). However, the 101 of therapy - is, therapist can do no wrong. If the client is not improving - then it's his own fault (not trying hard enough, refuse to admit his problems, rationalizing, simplyfing, overcomplicating, not confiding in therapist enough, etc.). But if the client is making progress - it's certainly due to the therapist. So, you can never tell if the therapist is good or no…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 09:27 PM
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This is how a lot of CBT works though. Having a professional with an educated, outside perspective who can guide you out of maladaptive cognitive and behavioral habits that you keep you stuck in certain patterns. Being depressed or otherwise mentally unwell literally makes you less capable of rational thought. CBT works with patterns, but therapists are not experts in the area where their client has problems. Like, take dating. Maybe the client (man) has some weird patterns, but therapist cannot…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 09:22 PM
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I know it sounds stereotypical, but sitting in a room talking to a stranger is not doing it for alot of men. Especially when you remember that at least 90% therapists - are women, who have a very vague idea of men's issues. Even if they are not feminists who believe men can't have any real problems (because of patriarchy and oppression and toxic masculinity and men having all the power bla bla), they still have little personal experience and therefore understanding of what kind of problems a man…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 09:17 PM
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If you can't see something, maybe you should look better. Or get your eyes checked. Seriously, you're acting childish. I bet you're not even 18 y.o. Send me the number of your parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 01:53 PM
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Maybe. But some are. Maybe it's his money, maybe it's fame, maybe it's looks. Anyway I wouldn't call him Red Pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 01:51 PM
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Incel is not blackpill
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 01:48 PM
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Well then I can claim I'm left-wing, say a bunch of stupid shit to get attention, and then someone from the opposite side will call left-wingers stupid and point at me. That's exactly what you're doing. I wrote exactly what Red Pill is. If you can't read it - maybe you should go to elementary school, since you obviously skipped classes. Illiterate people should not be on Reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 01:45 PM
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Looksmaxing is black Pill. Dude, google it, you don't know the meaning of the words you're throwing around. There is no pill that says your looks cannot be improved at all, but there is hard physical limit to what you can do.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 01:43 PM
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Women are hanging out with those dudes. Actions speak louder than words.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 01:15 PM
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Men will idolize other men who they can relate to, and who have what men want. There is no other "should". You can't force men to idolize someone you like.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 01:14 PM
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If priests would hang out with the hottest girls, I guarantee we would have a surplus of priests in 10 years. Women dictate what men become role models for other men by picking them. So go date a priest or a fire fighter who has no looks and no money. But young hot ladies would never do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 01:12 PM
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All of these guys are handsome, tall, and successful/popular. So you're saying that to become successful with women you need to be handsome, have lots of fame and money? Well, no shit. But this advice is not applicable to majority of men. Everyone cannot be a Hollywood A-star. Take their looks and their fame and money away, and no girl will look their way.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 01:07 PM
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Clavicular is black Pill 😅 You have no idea what actual Red Pill is. Clavicular is not Red Pill. Andrew Tate is not Red Pill. There is no single persona who "represents" Red Pill. Red Pill is practical, empirical approach to relationships cleaned from sentiment and ideology, cleaned from Disney romanticism and naivety. Red Pill tells men "if you act with women like this, than this will happen, because thousands of men did it before you and that's the result they got". Arguing against Red Pill is…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 01:02 PM
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Well, when you go to casino it's also not set in stone that you will lose. It's just a high probability. Some people do win at the casino. But would you consider a person whose investment strategy is built on playing at the casino - to be wise? Now translate the same logic into dating market.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 12:13 PM
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The problem with explaining statistics to women, is they always throw random individual instances against it. They just hate generalizations for some reason, women are highly individualistic and subjective and oppose to any kind of rules and trends, like it limits their freedom somehow.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 11:35 AM
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There are different types of attractive though. There is attractive as in "I want him right now" (9 Chad) versus "He could get something if he plays his cards right" (7 chad-light)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 11:31 AM
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Classic virtue signaling
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 10:27 AM
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It depends on how you identify the 1-10 scale. You could ask 100 000 women to rank 100 male photos 1 to 10. Or just sort into groups "super hot", "somewhat hot", "okay", "meh", "won't touch with a 6ft pole". And then you will have objective (because it is derived from statistically sufficient number of respondents) estimate of male attractiveness. And you can assume with high degree of reliability that if you ask 1000 women not included in this research the same question, they will give similar …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 10:25 AM
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Okay then, why is social deprivation considered a type of torture? I dare you to spend a month locked in your own closet with no interaction with any human being. After a month of solitude, you might consider revisiting your text.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 09:29 AM
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How do you measure efficiency in dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 09:26 AM
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In modern world sex precedes relationship and commitment in most cases (except for religious folks) so having more sexual optionality transfers to more relationship optionality. You can't get into relationship bypassing sex and sexual attraction, it's like putting a carriage in front of a horse.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 09:25 AM
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The problem is, women are much more homogeneous in their preferences opposed to men. Most women want what other women want. This is why fashion mostly exists for women - men just don't care what color is "trendy" this season and what their dudebros are wearing. It's evolutionary thing. Women crave safety, and the safest place is in the middle of the herd.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 09:07 AM
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What is "social skills" though? I bet the guys you're talking about have jobs, they do groceries, maybe even go out with a bunch of friends. All of that requires a certain level of social skills, so they already have it. What exactly is missing? Do you mean some particular social skills only applicable to flirting with women?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 09:04 AM
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Casting a wide net into a small pool makes sense, because every fish has plenty of space to escape and you will not catch anything unless you use a wide net. Casting a narrow net makes sense when the fish has nowhere to go.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 09:02 AM
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So it's "be okay but not great with everyone" or "piss off the majority but perhaps the right person will find it amazing". Considering how many dislikes I'm getting, I guess my strategy is the second one.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 09:00 AM
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The strategy of focusing works for cases when you are awash in optionality and need to filter only the most relevant options. However, if you don't have any options - you would be better off casting the wide net and hoping something gets tangled in it. To understand what type of woman he wants - a man needs to "try" different women, without experience it's just theorizing that will be crushed by reality. But most men don't have that experience, so they don't really know what kind of woman and wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 08:58 AM
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but women say they care about the future of humanity all the time... Oh wait ,so what they really mean is they want to get laid?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 07:22 AM
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Men are not "panicking", it's just more typical for men to be analytical and think about the future. And the trend of declining birthrates creates all sorts of social and economic problems in the long run. But women don't usually think that long ahead, they focus on their feelings in the moment (I'm generalizing of course, since there are women who are also capable of making solid forecast and thinking on advance, such women are usually also concerned about declining birthrates). So it's really …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 07:17 AM
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I think modern crisis will be resolved in a different way (disclaimer: not trying to offend or blame anyone). Women and men will learn to get by without traditional relationships, alternative forms of relationships will be on the rise (like polygamy) and also alternatives to relationships, like VR or AI girlfriends and boyfriends. Marriage and birth rates will continue to go down. Eventually people will discover tech for artificial wombs or some other way to reproduce (I think it's unlikely in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 02:04 PM
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AI provides a summary on your question. If you think it lies, just go to the sources it ALWAYS quotes. If you consider those sources to be lie as well - then you're just in denial of everything that does not fit into your preferred narrative and not open to exploring alternative worldviews. Then you're just here to spread hate. As for asking men - sure, asking a couple of guys who will say what you want them to say because they want you to like them, carries more scientific weight than a massive…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 01:25 PM
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Okay so even asking how women want to be treated gets downvoted. If that is not indicative of a problem in modern women, I don't know what else can be. You guys consider even asking the question of how you would like to be treated - toxic. What else is there to say? Just that I feel sorry for you ladies.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 01:22 PM
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The problem with "manosphere hate" is, critics (mostly women) take the most edge case guys and their provocative quotes usually torn out of context, because they can't be bothered to watch whole video and just scroll Instagram and TikTok, where people are just posting 5 second shorts for rage bait. I argue that most critics have no idea what Red Pill even means and can name at best 2-3 edge guys, who other Red Pill content creators do not even agree with. I bet most of them never heard of Chris …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 01:17 PM
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Actually the most popular is "50 shades" which is also telling.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 11:02 AM
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"Not dating" is experience of itself. If a man made an attempt, tried the apps, tried approaching women, tried DM in social media and wasn't able to get a date - it's also experience. One man's experience is not representative, but I'd thousands of men share the same experience... them we can make some conclusions.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 11:01 AM
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Please stop being toxic to OP, lady. And hiding behind male account is just disgusting.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 10:30 AM
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Men are shamed so much for approaching the wrong way and being unable to "read the room" that many just stopped trying. We are not born with this "gut" telling us how women want to be approached. We are not taught it at school. Any resources where we can learn it are deemed misogynistic and toxic. So we're basically out of options. We're guilty until proven otherwise, which is really frustrating and discourages us to even try.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 10:29 AM
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Well, if she's not the only woman they're sleeping with than obviously they don't want to be seen doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 10:25 AM
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Well yeah, but you're making the fallacy of confusing reason and consequence. Men find women attractive irrespective of how other men find them. If other men stop liking some women, her attractiveness to specific male doesn't change.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 10:24 AM
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There are multiple studies proving my words. Just ask any AI about mate choice copying in humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 10:22 AM
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Uhm, her friends preferences exclude males? Otherwise what the problem with introducing people and let them figure out the rest?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 09:51 AM
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How would you address the issues of woman expressing weaknesses or loneliness, without predating her?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 09:50 AM
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You are right, both types have their own issues. But one gets laid a lot, despite the issues - and the other one never.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 09:49 AM
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She could set him up with some of her single friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 09:47 AM
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Being desired by other women is a huge factor of man's attractiveness it has been experimentally proved hundreds of times. For men it doesn't work like that. "Evolution of desire" by David Buss explains why. It's the difference in male and female mating strategies.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 09:46 AM
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Men don't care what other men think about women. If they're attracted, they're attracted. Other men liking or not liking them will not change that. What you say about "male fantasy" is simply untrue and not supported by any facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 09:23 AM
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I'd be at least open to being friends with her if she's a nice person. Loneliness is not just about physical intimacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 09:21 AM
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Which men are worthy of your compassion? Or maybe none are?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 09:19 AM
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It's not about preferences, it's about having empathy and compassion to another human being.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 09:19 AM
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What about guys being respectful and all but acting like doormats? Like, apologizing every five seconds and not having the balls to escalate and move the interaction forward?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 07:28 AM
1

Have you ever watched HoeMath? Do you think he's an expert in attracting women?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 07:24 AM
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I'm not a party or bar person, I don't drink alcohol, don't like noisy environments and don't goof around with strangers. You could say I'm a silent cautious type. I guess that doesn't really help my case.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 07:23 AM
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So you expect to be engaged and excited during the very first few minutes of meeting completely unknown person, otherwise it's a No. Do you think it's realistic that many people can pull that off? Do you think you could ever pull that off yourself? Doesn't it mean that majority of men will essentially never get a chance, only the ones who are top 10% charismatic and extroverted plus they have to meet a plethora of your other standards?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 07:13 AM
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Expert in what?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 08:07 PM
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Fsair enough, however I guess you do not chat the whole night. with anyone, so there must be some other factors influencing if you even stay the night for the chat to happen. I believe it's the ones you mentioned 1 and 2 ?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 06:48 PM
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So basically it's random (as in influenced by so many factors that tracking them becomes virtually impossible)?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 06:45 PM
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That's why I don't approach unless I see clear signs of interest, but then I'm being told I'm not trying hard enough and I need to open myself to rejection and possibly triggering someone...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 06:43 PM
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Depends how you measure "funny/humorous".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 06:42 PM
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There are some people in this subred that really hate me. I've beaten them in debate a few times and now they hold a grudge and downvote anything I write (I guess they have a bot doing the dirty work).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 06:40 PM
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Yeah, kind of.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 06:38 PM
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Okay, so you're able to measure all of this during a brief interaction that it takes you to decide if you're willing to give him a chance at all (share your contacts, engage in conversation, etc.) ? your grammar, vocabulary… all of it gives a lot of clues as to the kind of life you could lead Uhm... WUT? Vocabulary gives clues as to the kind of life you could lead? How does it even work?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 06:37 PM
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Everybody knows what it means in any given situation or how to read environment and adapt to it. What makes you think you're qualified to assume what "everybody knows"? The level of entitlement in this comment is over the roof. Of course I can't give you clear explanation, nobody can Wise people say - "If you can't explain it to a 12 year old you don't really know it". You only feel like you know, because your brain is wired in a way to make you feel like you know everything and you're doing eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 08:34 AM
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Now you're blaming ME for being unable to explain what YOU mean by using the words YOU choose. Do you see the absurdity? You consider some people socially retarded, but it's other people who had to learn what YOU mean by "socially retarded" when they were kids. Yeah sure, nothing wrong with that. I'll tell you what really happens. You have no idea how to explain it, you realize you don't really get it and you are just throwing around buzzwords, but you don't like being called out about it, so yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 08:17 PM
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I think most men do not hate fat women, just don't find them attractive as women, which those women might perceive as "hate". As in "If you would not date fat women - means you hate them".
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 02:21 PM
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That's really going to depend on the social contract. How important is the preservation of civilization? That's a great question! I'd love for western civilization with all its culture and achievments to be preserved. It's hard for me to imagine NY or LA becoming Islamic or African in its core. But there is no rule saying it's right or wrong to think this way. In the many societies, the preservation of culture and civilization is so important that men can be beaten unconscious in the street, thr…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 05:23 PM
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Would you say that women should have kids even if they don’t want to? I don't like talking in terms of "should". "Should" is anti-science. It's imposing one's beliefs on the world. There is no way to prove it one way or the other, it's the kingdom of opinions, values and ideologies. I prefer more practical approach. What happens if we do this? What happens if we don't? Are we willing to face the consequences of our choices?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 05:19 PM
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Pregnancy and having a baby does limit women’s agency and independence So does building a career. You become dependent on your employer and have to obey their requests, or else you will not get very far. I think giving birth and raising a child is a much bigger achievment than becoming some middle-class manager somewhere in an endless chain of managers in a huge corporation, but I'm a man. I don't know how I'd feel if I was a woman. However, my mom says that I'm the best thing that ever happened…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 05:15 PM
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OP is talking about birth rates. Only women can give birth. 99,99% of fertile women who want to become mothers - have no problem conceiving, be it with a long-term partner, or a random dude, or via artificial conception. Please stop trolling.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 05:09 PM
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It's too expensive because the price of womens' time increased. Getting pregnant means staying out of work which is lost income. Which is net losses.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 05:06 PM
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Most jobs are going to go away in our lifetime. Some will, some will not. Someone will still have to perform surgeries, drive buses and clean the streets. AI is not some magic fairy that will fix everything. It's a tool. Cars made horses obsolete, but someone had to drive them. And fix them. And load them with fuel. And produce that fuel. All in all, industry got bigger not smaller. And bigger industry means more need for working hands. There won't even be enough jobs for most Americans. New job…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 05:01 PM
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However it's western civilization the one having low birth rates, which means it will be replaced by civilizations which multiply faster.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 01:32 PM
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Fast-forward a few decades, imagine yourself being an aged woman and in need of sophisticated medical treatment. Would you go to AI robot or some human bobblehead who knows nothing without AI? Would you trust AI to drive your grandkids to school?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 01:29 PM
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Of course they don't. But nobody except women can do it. And if birth rates don't do up, we face major social and economic crisis, because small number of young working people can't support growing proportion of aging population who need care and welfare and cannot support themselves. And that includes women. It's just math and economics. No need for morals and ethics. When you have not enough young people - it creates all sorts of problems. If women don't mind those problems which will affect t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 01:23 PM
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It is. And women do report lack of "good men" willing to commit. When have you opened TikTok last time? Google women complains about dating and see for yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 11:13 AM
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I don't think so. My opinion is - with crushing marriage and birth rates, western civilization will face a major crisis in a few decades unless something changes dramatically. It may even cease to exist and be consumed by other civilizations, simply because of natural selection. It's the law of history - the culture that doesn't reproduce, goes extinct. We are already seeing the first signs. But if it doesn't bother anyone and we collectively decide it's okay to saw the branch we're sitting on..…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 11:09 AM
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If you can't explain what is socially retarded and how to avoid it, means you don't really understand it. And I don't understand it too. You just repeating buzzwords you heard on YT and TikTok.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 07:20 AM
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What exactly do you mean by that and how is it relevant to my question?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 09:13 PM
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I mean power in everyday dynamics, especially between men and women. And yeah, men as a group still have more of it. Okay, I'll bite. I'm a man. Pray tell, what kind of "power" I have over women in "everyday dynamics"? A lot of guys will say women control everything, but then turn around and expect a partner who works, cooks, cleans, is emotionally supportive, doesn’t challenge them too much, etc. Expecting is not "power". I can expect you to give me a hundred bucks. But that doesn't mean I have…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 07:19 PM
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Only in cases when the woman demands "girlfriend treatment" (comitment, gifts and other investment) while giving herself time to think about it and weigh her options. If she needs more time, that's fine, but she shouldn't expect commitment at this stage. If she's considering her options, the guy should have equal right. That's why I'm against the concept of "courting" - it basically means the man has made his bet and is expected to go all-in and demonstrate what kind of partner he will be in rel…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 07:12 PM
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If you are a regular, the others should know you and know that you didn't intend to be malicious - you were just awkward. Why should they? Being a regular doesn't earn you any trust points. You make a woman uncomfortable - it's your fault, and you face repercussions. That's what women have been fighting for. Now it's part of the system. If you don't want to approach, then don't, but also don't moan if nothing happens. I don't want to face repercussions if the woman doesn't like something about m…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 04:11 PM
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What is the practical meaning of "fits you" though? What I'm talking about is attraction, aka desire to get closer to the person and know then better. I don't know how you define "fits you".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 04:08 PM
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You exist and notice the surroundings, what is happening around you. Stalking is purposefull following the person around even trying to peek in their private stuff. Well, people normally do not revolve around me. To really know what is happening in their lives, to find out how they "tick" I need to follow them and really focus on observing their private stuff. Casual observations while I'm living my life - will not give me remotely enough data points. Staring is looking at them without doing any…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 04:03 PM
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You said introversion is a "skill" while neuroscience proves beyond any doubt it is physiological trait. Then you threw a tantrum because you didn't get your way. Sorry I don't respond to tantrums and don't engage in them. Go to chatGPT and type "Is introversion neurological?" And if you don't want to go and educate yourself... well, sorry but it's not my job to do it. What you say is simply not true, there is proof, you refuse to see the proof. I don't know how else to "engage in debate". You c…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 03:04 PM
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Why what?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 03:00 PM
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Surveys indicate that roughly 50% to 80% of men are afraid to approach women in person, often citing the fear of being seen as "creepy," predatory, or disrespectful. Generational Shift: This is most pronounced in younger men (ages 18–30), with nearly half (45-59%) reporting they have not approached a woman for dating in the past year. The "Minefield" Perception: Many men view modern social interaction as a "minefield" where a lack of clear social cues or a minor misstep could lead to public sham…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 02:24 PM
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Well, women tend to complain about men they are having relationships with. Which proves that women only notice and desire men of the top 10% who have power and control. Average Joes are not "men", they are not even "people". Just decorations. Therefore, all men have power.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 01:53 PM
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Interesting, thanks for sharing. Honestly I've been absorbing "dating rules" through Internet, and I can't pinpoint any specific ones. Because some people say it's normal for a guy to buy a girl a new Iphone after their first date, confess his feelings and wait for years for her to reciprocate, and buying her gifts and driving her and walking her dog all this time. While others hook up in a night club bathroom half an hour after meeting. People are telling stories that could not be more differen…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 01:43 PM
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Without clear rules men will always be called abusers and perverts and socially retarded, because you can bend the rules so that any type of behavior becomes a violation. So as a man I just have to accept I'm a creep and freak no matter what I do?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 12:03 PM
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Unfortunately where I live the gyms that have enough space and all the equipment I need are rare. And anyway I don't want to feel like I'm offending anyone and acting like a creep even if I will never meet the person again.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 11:59 AM
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Right. But if everyone starts being their usual self at the dates, then the one who does more gets advantage and sets the standard higher, so everyone else has to catch up or they will be left out.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 11:56 AM
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I'm not talking about relationships though.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 11:45 AM
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Right, so men are supposed to approach at the risk of offending the person and doing something they believe only a freak would do, and if it happens in a setting where I'm a regular then I risk tainting my reputation.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 11:43 AM
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How is "observations" different from "stalking" and "staring"? Many women say they do not want to be approached by men they don't know in the bus stop, in the street or at the mall. They say it's creepy and scary and completely inappropriate, and only person who has no idea about socializing and boundaries would do that. How long do I have to observe her to understand if she's one of them?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 11:34 AM
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Why would women on dating apps be more selective than in real world though? They are choosing dudes they like in both cases. Do you believe that woman would give more chance to the guy in reality, who didn't impress her at first glance? Why? She can go back to her phone instead of wasting time on someone she doesn't feel attracted to. You say you don't choose a wife based on her elbow, but women actually do reject men based on their appearance and first impression. They do it in real life and on…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 11:16 AM
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Chill dude, no offense but you're demonstrating with this post that you're the last person to talk about social skills. Maybe try practicing what you preach sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 11:12 AM
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How do you become socially skilled if you don't feel the energy nor desire to actively participate in social interactions? For example, I don't get small talk. I memorized a bunch of cookie cutter questions that I can utilize if I find myself in the middle of small talk. But extroverts do it naturally with lots of vigor and enthusiasm. To me it's like pulling the double of my maximum weight. Just can't do. It's not a skill thing. It's a capability thing. Skill is something you can learn through …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 11:00 AM
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Opportunities for knowing people in casual setting are rare these days. If you're not immediately desirable, usually women will not waste time on you unless they have to (as in you're their work colleague). They will just not have any personal conversations with you to reveal how they tick.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 10:53 AM
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First of all, you didn't establish any measurable criteria. What is "physically fit"? What is "earns decent money"? Once you provide measurable criteria - you can look into data how many men have the fit you require, earn the amount you require. Without solid numbers, it's just your opinion not backed by anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 10:48 AM
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I don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 08:33 AM
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Surprise! Different women want different things. Stop treating women like some yes/no, up/down, binary limited thinking. Focus on the woman you're interested in. I won't know if the way I'm thinking to approach a woman would be offensive to her before I approach, and I won't know if I'm interested in her until I approach. As you said, different women want different things AND ALSO find different things offensive. And they expect different things from men. And they expect men to magically know wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 08:23 AM
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The dating culture and expectations where I am, middle class suburban Texas, is completely different from someone who lives in New York, or Los Angeles, or Seattle, in a different income bracket or whatever. Can you share how dating is different in middle class suburban Texas, in NY and Seattle? If you (general) don't interact with your community enough to not know social etiquette and expectations, that's a little on you. How exactly re you supposed to "interact with your community to know soci…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 08:19 AM
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introversion. It's a cop-out Now you're just calling neuroscience a pile of BS.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 08:13 AM
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"Muh introversion" = no social skills or personality Actually, introversion is the wiring of your brain in a way that doesn't reward you for interacting with other people. You can google it and check for yourself. Also, "social skills" are easy for some people and hard for others. Blaming people for it is equal to blaming them for not playing basketball as a pro athlete and judging them for that and cutting them access to basic human needs (like belonging and human contact).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 08:11 AM
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Nice one, thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 08:06 AM
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I just do what I want to do, and if that works for whomever I am with then great. If not then we move on. What if they are offended by what you want to do and consider you a disgusting autist for not knowing the basic rules (whatever they might be)? The problem to me is that men try to impress women instead of just being their best self and finding a woman who likes them for who they are. For many men it just doesn't work. They're going years without any woman liking them for what they are. They…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 08:01 AM
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I don't know such examples in modern world, sorry. 20-30 years ago I would agree with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 07:53 AM
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Weren't "common folks" married by their parents though? Or they were kind of pushed into marriage by the society (if there are 3 young girls and 4 young guys in a village, all the girls will be pressured to pick one of the guys, preferably the richer and more capable one OR coming from a family her parents are friendly with, move out of their parents' homes and start making babies). Am I wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 07:52 AM
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I understand it might look that way to you personally, but it's still true. Google "MeToo" and "cancel culture". Do a thought experiment. Imagine a girl coming to the gym manager saying "That guy is making me uncomfortable, he's been staring at me and making unwanted advances, I don't feel safe when he's around" (now we don't even know if that's true or not, but in vast majority of cases the guy would be either immediately banned from the gym, or have to do some major explaining, and people woul…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 07:46 AM
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Not if the lack of spark is attributable to the man not performing his gender roles enough. Aren't modern men told that performing their traditional gender roles is "toxic masculinity" and "patriarchical oppression" though?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 07:38 AM
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There is this thing called "chatGPT", very enlightening. Highly recommended.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 07:37 AM
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...what about no one controls anyone, and we do what we want?? That's what's been happening largely. And led to 80% of women considering less than 20% of men to be "dating material", which in turn collapsed marriage and birth rates. But hey, I'm not saying it's bad per se.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 07:30 AM
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Men already have power and control though. Minority of men (and women) have power and control. They are irrelevant in this thread, we're not talking about Presidents and Senators and business moguls. I bet dating is the last on their plate of problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 07:28 AM
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Marriage rates are going down because people are choosing to cohabitate rather than marry. It's been happening for decades. Nope. The number of lonely single sexless people is also on the rise, so unless cohabitating people consider themselves "single" I don't see how it is possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 07:24 AM
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so what should women do bro? If you read my starting post till the end, you might discover the part where I address your question. Here I will even make it super easy for you and paste it. I’m not sure there is any practical solution other than being aware how dating works, and why men and women do what they do. It is not solving anything, but at least gives some peace of mind. Before first dates had out a send guidelines of how to create a spark with them? Maybe they could start with figuring o…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 07:13 AM
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You are confusing reason and consequences. The guys who turn to Red Pill - do that because they are not doing well with women, and guys who are popular with women have no reason to go Red Pill. Also what is "doing better"? Being friendzoned while being used for money and services - is seen as "doing better" than having no relationship at all? Also look at Clavicular. He's as Black Pill as humanly possible and I don't see him lacking when it comes to women. Michael Sartain is "Red Pill adjusent" …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 07:04 AM
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Most women are in relationships and are doing fine. You’re focusing on a minority of women who actively use dating apps Statistically most women use dating apps. Ask chatGPT if you don't believe me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 09:58 PM
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If you want to understand the "rules" of dating, you need to understand your local dating culture and be socially adept. Words, words with no actual meaning. All "dating recipes" are like that - just pretty words that sound nice, but you can never guess how to put them to real life, unless you knew before they were said. It's all "be good, don't be bad, be kind, don't be creepy". And different women, or even the same women at different times and with different men - would call the same behavior …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 09:55 PM
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Have any of these happened to you or anyone you know? Luckily they haven't or I wouldn't be talking to you right now. Is the implication here that angsty alt rock lyrics from 2003 prophesised his suicide in 2017? Wow you're actually smart.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 09:54 PM
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Most men develop social skills so they can navigate those social interactions. Some do, some don't. Modern age is called "the age of loneliness" for a reason. And most women dont expect magic but they do want a sense of connection with potential dating partners. And yet there are no clear guidelines what triggers "a sense of connection" for specific woman. I bet the woman herself doesn't understand it. She just expects it to happen. "Real man would know how to do it, and if he doesn't than he's …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 09:47 PM
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Women have so much power over a lot of you and I think its because you let them. I observe this in people I know, this idea that women can rain down hell on them, gossip about you, etc. and its just like man, stand up goddamn. There is really no reason to be that scared of them Did you hear about MeToo?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 09:46 PM
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"Falling for someone" and "marrying someone" are not the same thing. You can not fall for someone but still marry them, because your parents or social network are pushing you, or because you believe "this person is good for you". Although I believe it is becoming less common, which is why marriage rates are going down. So it kinda proves my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 09:42 PM
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There's still clear rules. It's just called, "consent", now. The type of consent where a lady's "No" can have a hundred different meanings depending on her mood and star alignment? Come on, just read dating subreds here with women complaining about directly opposite things. Please approach me - no, never approach me. I want to be treated this way - never treat me like this. Or do treat me like this, but only on Mondays. But not before I had coffee. Unless it was a mocaccino. Seriously, some wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 09:33 PM
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Looks might get attention at first, but what really keeps it is usually something else That's true, but many guys stumble on the "get attention at first" part, and they are advised to develop "something else" like it would compensate for lack of initial attraction.
/r/seduction14/04/26 12:23 PM
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No you can actually friendzone women and have fun with them (in a platonic sense). Men and women can actually have fun together without getting naked.
/r/seduction14/04/26 11:39 AM
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No need to jester-anything. You can do as Michael Sartain - friendzone a bunch of hot women, treat them as your buddies, socialize with them but don't make any moves, and don't show intent before some of them show you compliance first.
/r/seduction14/04/26 10:58 AM
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Because hot girls get invited to VIP venues and events through social media. When your DM is full of invitations to elite closed parties and Dubai resorts, where else would you spend your time? I guess you can also encounter them at some elite gyms, boutiques, jewellery stores or other beauty- and fashion-related places. But it's not very likely there will be alone and open to meeting random people. Overall, hot-crazy matrix has a point, even if somewhat exaggerated for humor.
/r/seduction14/04/26 10:24 AM
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So if I was to summarize, I would say my new strategy is just polarize through authenticity. You want to drive the interaction to a success or failure as quick as is reasonably possible with no ambiguity The problem with this aproach is - sometimes women take more time to figure out if they like a guy or not. I was skeptical about it, but turns out there is enough statistics showing that female attraction works different than male. Women find very small percentage of men immediately attractive. …
/r/seduction14/04/26 09:49 AM
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If it wasn't the same 10% guys, then every guy would have equal amount of female interest. Which is obviously untrue.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 03:07 PM
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Exactly. So it makes no practical sense. It's just meaningless words to make us feel better in a moment,at the price of being disappointed in the long run. Coping as it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 03:06 PM
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How exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 02:07 PM
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that's the very definition of discrimination 😅
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 02:06 PM
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Do opportunities of getting laid count? Or that's something else?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 02:05 PM
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Well, if there are different standards for men and women then no true equality is possible. True equality is when person of any gender is treated the same way, and expectations from them are the same. Obviously this is not true with men vs women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 02:04 PM
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Men are told not to (pursue women in most contexts because it can be perceived as harassment). Decent men actually listen to what they are told.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 02:02 PM
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Same here. Could be just politeness.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 02:00 PM
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How does "placing in their orbit" differ from "we work at the same place / hang out at the same spots, that doesn't mean I'm attracted to him or anything"? If a man shares social circle with other women it doesn't mean all of them are interested in him and waiting for him to escalate. In fact it is often the opposite - they consider those social circles to be safe spaces where they can let their guard down without fearing that some creeps will approach them and they have to invent polite reasons…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 01:20 PM
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Do you have many guy friends?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 01:13 PM
0

What is "give opportunity"? Give how?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 01:12 PM
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What do you mean by "moves"?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 01:11 PM
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What happened to '"everyone deserves to be loved"? What's the point of "deserving" love if there is no mechanism of practicing it? Let's at least admit that not everyone deserves to be loved, to date, to have relationship. To actually deserve it you have to be in the top % of attractive people. Hipocrisy comes from not wanting to admit ugly truths about human nature. And human nature is - we are egoists, we want the best for ourselves, we discriminate based on looks and attraction. Let's call a …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 11:45 AM
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Why do you think it is not allowed?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 10:41 AM
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Depends on how you measure "peak". Normally people mean peak in terms of sexual attractiveness, and that is true as demonstrated by studies. It doesn't mean only girls on their 20s have sex, it just means that if given the choice, most men find girls of this age most sexually attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 10:40 AM
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I heard this cope so many times and did what they said, and didn't get promised results. I have a good job, I spend 14 hours in gym weekly and I go out to meet people. But I'm 5’7" and have feminine face. You sir ignore experience of hundreds of thousands of men. If one man can't offer anything, it's his personal problem. If most men can't offer anything, it can no longer be viewed as personal failure if individual man. It's a system. Something is wrong with society.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 07:27 AM
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You ignored my welfare analogy, therefore you are a troll. You push your message but retreat when you have no arguments to defend your position.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 07:21 AM
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Victim blaming and man blaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 07:20 AM
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Not according to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 07:19 AM
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Nobody is blaming anyone, just stating the facts. If half of men are equal to "dog shit" then we must have a problem. Men didn't turn into shit overnight, so the problem must be on the side perceiving them as dog shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 07:15 AM
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Only people who go outside tell the same story.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 07:13 AM
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Of course if you account for outliers and extreme examples, variations within sex would be higher than difference between averages of each sex. But that doesn't mean anything. Science says women posess specific traits which men do not posess in average. And vice versa. Sex dimorphism is a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 06:52 PM
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Women don't typically share this idea when in comes to practice. You can choose to stay away from such women, but that practically means cutting yourself out of dating pool.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 05:59 PM
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If you are an adult and you have failed to learned a skill that is on you. If you are an adult and you are unemployed, that is on you. There is no unemployment crisis. If you are an adult and you cannot afford your own house, that is on you. There is no house pricing crisis. Let's kill all social welfare. People who demand from the government to fix the economy, lower taxes, make income more evenly distributed - are just sad and pathetic and reek of victimhood. Social darwinism rulez. The strong…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 05:53 PM
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Failure to develop and practice them We're talking about young men who were teenagers a couple of years ago. Do you seriously think they weighed all the pros and cons and made a conscious choice to step out of social life? Or maybe the problem is they weren't introduced to it properly, and treated badly? If a 2nd grade kid can't do math, it's on him. If half of the class can't do math, then something is not right with the teacher or the school. Wouldn't you agree? Men are responsible for their o…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 07:50 AM
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No. Because women are different. It's not the same steps for everyone. Each person is a new adventure. Not according to biology, economics, and evolutionary psychology. There are common patterns of what is "dominant" and what is "extremely rare". What OP mentioned is kind of common. You're suggesting to look for diamonds in a pile of dirt. They do exist, but most people will not find them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 07:46 AM
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I did address that. If you as a man are dealing with a woman who behaves like that then youre better off finding some who can communicate what they want. Good luck finding that AND also having mutual attraction. Women, especially attractive women - don't need to learn to communicate, because they have so many options that they will eventually meet someone who will "get them" on their terms. Why work on yourself when you can just keep browsing?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 07:43 AM
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Well it depends on the women. Some want to be hardcore dominated and some would never. Everyone has their own preferences. Thats why you need to ask and communicate your wants ahead of time. In ideal world, you're right. In reality though, the very act of asking - makes you immediately less attractive and labeled as "autist" (I believe that's what OP tried to convey). Idk where you got this idea because it is actually very good thing to ask for consent, and that what you should be doing everytim…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 07:35 AM
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Is it "people" or "men"? ))
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 07:33 AM
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yes, people want to have sex with who they want to have sex with and they don't want to have with whom they don't' want to have sex with. That's fine. The problems begin when those people expect other people to know what they want specifically from them, and blaming and shaming when those people guess wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 07:32 AM
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So you're saying women would prefer to be left alone, and men should learn to be content with being alone. I guess that's what has been largely happening. Young men rely on pr0n and not that much interested in young girls. And as soon as AI girlfriends hit the mass market, approaches will drop to zero. So... you win. Congrats. I hope you're happy living totally undisturbed lonely sexless life that you have been asking for.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 09:14 PM
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So you aren't factoring the lack of social skills among young men. And what is the reason for this lack of social skills?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 09:10 PM
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You're asking why having unrealistic exaggerated expectations of one sex - is a problem for that sex? It's a problem not because it makes me feel specific way. It's a problem because it leads to specific attitude that hurts people. Now, hurting is indeed a feeling. When someone kicks you, it also hurts. But what you need is not someone to listen how you feel about getting kicked. You need to make sure it doesn't happen again. Talking with your therapist and being told that "It's all right to hur…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 07:49 PM
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Women are weaker than men physically, so evolutionary they leaned on what they're stronger at - emotions. If you really think about it, that's what bratty kids do. "You're grounded because you broke mom's favorite vase while playing football indoors" - "You're so cruel, you always make a big deal out of nothing and look for ways to accuse me!" When boys do it, nobody cares or they are even punished for trying this kind of manipulation, so they learn to drop it over time. Girls... well, you know …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 07:43 PM
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Many therapists would not tell a client something that makes the client unhappy and stop working with them. In what way are problems affecting men? There are enough problems for men. Social expectations (facilitated by women to a large part) are very high of men. You are expected to be smart and funny, successful, dedicated but also relaxed, caring but at the same time stoic, capable in every imaginable way, otherwise you're a "loser" and "not a real man". Women are awesome just the way they are…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 07:04 PM
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You can't just wake up one day and decide to be more attractive and charming. It's a process. You have to start somewhere, do something that you haven't done before, and at first it will be out of your character and feel weird. So you need some guidelines, some framework. You have to do it externally (pretend, follow scripts) before you can internalize it. It's called "fake it till you make it".
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 03:59 PM
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I was paid a dollar less per hour than a man who held the exact same role as me. Are you positive you were exactly equal as the man and doing exactly the same amount and quality of work, and the ONLY difference was gender? You mentioned you were in college, while the man was probably not. So he had more experience. More experienced people get paid more on average. Is that a gender pay gap if male Senior Data Engineer with 10 years of experience has higher salary than female Junior Data Engineer …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 03:51 PM
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You deflect when shown that the arguments you used to support your position - actually prove the opposite. You didn't bother to read the research that you thought proves your point, and turns out it doesn't, so now you say it is "debatable". You reaction is childish. Being adults means admitting when you are wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 03:48 PM
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But women don't want equal. Statistics clearly shows that women are consistently going after men earning significantly more than them, having better education and status, and they would rather stay alone or share a high value man with other women, then settle for their "equal". Why are you ignoring the facts?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 09:01 AM
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One out of necessity and one out of fear of being cheated on. Not the best argument for a relationship Well, the alternative is what we have today with crashing marriage and birth rates. If it goes on like that, natural selection will push this "progressive" model of relationship out of existence simply because it does not reproduce itself. When people have no kids - they're a reproductive failure, they can't pass on their genes and their values, so all of it dies with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 08:59 AM
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Who do those men cheat with, I wonder? Probably other women? Doesn't it prove that women are going after the same minority of men and are willing to share them? If that wasn't true, those men would have no one to cheat with.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 08:56 AM
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A lot of average men have plenty to offer women, and have women who are interested in what they have to offer. A lot of average men get zero interest from women. Now consider that modern women think 80% of men are "below average", and 30-50% of guys under 30 had no sex for a year or longer. That's solid facts and numbers backed up by actual data. What you say is just "there are some men who are liked by women", which has no specifics.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 08:52 AM
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What do women need to offer in return? Or is relationship a one-way street?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 08:49 AM
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More women are taking antidepressants in this generation because depression is more widely recognized, and there are more resources to treat it. Or maybe AD is a very profitable farma industry, and you will get encouraged to take it just because you have a bad mood. When everyone around is taking it, refusing to take it makes you weird and fall out of the herd. Also there is no clinical definition of depression - like, you can't have a blood or urine test or MRI that will show "Oh, you have low …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 08:23 AM
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Well, if you claim to be a protector - go protect against some real oppression. If you can only do that in an environment where you feel safe - it means you NEED to be protected by someone else. And how can you become a protector, when you need to be protected yourself? Protection can only happen when there is real danger. Risking is the very nature of protection. Caring is a different thing than protection.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 05:40 PM
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"But he is forced to," - no, he is choosing to. because protecting is more important than not. You don't know why he is doing it. Maybe it's his cultural programming. Maybe it's fear of shame if he doesn't. Men are expected to meet specific standards, and if they don't, well - society (and women first and foremost) are brutal to them. "You're not a real man, shame on you". "Real men don't do that". It starts in childhood, when teachers and doctors and other women tell you what is expected of you…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 05:36 PM
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Modern feminism is basically a war against men and traditional family, with the goal of limiting mens' rights, opportunities in life, reproductive chances, etc. Turning men into "not-people", same as Nazis turned non-Germans into "not-people".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 05:19 PM
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Women do not start wars. They ask their men to do it. "Oh my dear Vladimir, I'm so concerned for russian speaking people of Donbass, I saw some tweets that they are oppressed, can we just stay silent and let such horrible things happen? Shouldn't you do something?"
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 05:15 PM
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This proves you wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsy41uI1dmY
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 05:13 PM
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You think women are friendly and protecting to each other? Listen to this interview with Dr Dani Sulikowski, who focuses on studying female competition strategies. Your mind will be blown. Although I think you already know half of this stuff from your own experience. Women often disguise their agression and competition as "caring" and "being concerned about others". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsy41uI1dmY
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 05:11 PM
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I dare american women to go to Iran and stand with iranian women to defend their rights. Why is it that american women only fight for their rights where they already have many rights, where they have full power and know there is no risk? But when there is actual power that can hurt them, they suddenly lose any interest in other womens' rights. That's very interesting, isn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 05:09 PM
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sounds like those men are not protectors really. They are forced into this war, it's not their desire to protect. Well, nothing in "protector" says he desires to be a protector. "Protector" is someone who does specific action of protecting. After all, when a guy gets in a fight to protect his girlfriend - he doesn't WANT to get in a fight. But he is forced to, by the circumstances. Sometimes "circumstances" come in a shape of people applying force to you. A protector doing the thing against his …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 05:06 PM
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I am from Ukraine. There is war in my country, and men aged 25 to 65 are forcefully grabbed in the streets right now and sent to war without asking if they want it. In the process they are often beaten and mutilated. While women are safe and can even go to Egypt or Spain on vacation. If you want to know who are "protectors" - visit Ukraine. I promise it will change your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 02:01 PM
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On dating apps, yes (it's kind of the only factor). In real life... no. Appearance works as first filter. If you pass it - you get a ticket to the next round, and maybe some bonus points. But if you have a normie appearance and yet you're somehow surrounded by pretty women (because you know where the best parties are, for example, and can get girls backstage, and know people, etc.) then you will also pass the first filter. So it's hard to say what's really more important. The best approach is to…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 01:27 PM
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Well, it's hard to say what exactly is the most important factor. Women will tell you they look kind or trustworthy or some other bullshit. Listen to Mike Sartain, he teaches how to use preselection to get women and completely ignores dating apps. I honestly don't understand why a grown man over 30 who really has access to pretty women and has active life would ever waste time on dating apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 01:22 PM
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What are you talking about? There is no preselection on dating apps. There are only photos. Photos don't show if the guy is popular with girls or not. Unless he has pictures of himself partying with a bunch of hot girls. But those are more effective on Instagram. The idea of going to dating apps itself means you weren't preselected elsewhere. Preselected guys do not go on apps. They don't need to.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 12:01 PM
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Well, how do you define "primary" ? Preselected man is noticeably more attractive than non-preselected, up to a point where a woman will change her decision to go or not on a date with a guy just because of it. But is it "primary"? There is no "primary factor" when it comes to attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 12:00 PM
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Preselection is a scientifically proved thing. There were experiments when women were asked to rate men's attractiveness by photo, and photos where men were accompanied by pretty women - got higher attractiveness scores. Also when researchers told women that these men were were popular, they got higher scores. In comparison, for men there was no such effect. Men don't care if other dudes find a lady hot or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 09:54 AM
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A guy will get off even if she's absent from bed altogether.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 06:48 AM
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so what we were talking about is when there's a lot of women and only few guys where the women will lower their standard If you manage to get those women off their phones and social media - yes, it's possible. But the premise itself is impossible. Why would a woman reject a Chad in her DMs to go on a date with some average dude?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 08:40 PM
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“Have sex with my body not my brain”??? What does that mean? How does one have sex with a brain? I think there is a term "mindf*ck" which is when someone just drives you crazy (not in a good way).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 07:12 PM
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That's exactly what happens to guys in the top 5%.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 05:52 PM
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But the situation on the apps is not representative of real life dynamics. Why does it have to be representative of anything? It's like money. There is hard cash, and there is "virtual" money on your VISA card. You could say that your VISA is not representative of your cash, but who cares as long as you can use either to buy groceries? In the same manner, women can use apps to go on dates with guys and hook up. Or they can use social circles. Both are just different ways of getting the same thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 05:48 PM
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Apps are real life, because she can write to any guy who liked her "let's grab beer / hook up", and she would get laid that same night. In a very real sense. Apps are just a tool. The people on it are real. Well, except for bots (but most bots are masking as female profiles, so for women it's barely an issue)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 05:03 PM
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Men's advice for women is a) be hot b) have sex with my body not my brain. Which is pretty honest. If a girl fits those two criteria, she can have almost any man she desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 05:00 PM
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People will do what gets them the results they want. It's basic natural selection. If some people do like you say, and it results in losing to other people who don't - then there will be more people not doing it. Imagine playing in a casino, and some people bet on black and others bet on red. Imagine black always wins. Eventually, there will be no people betting on red. No matter how you try to promote red as being a "morally superior" and "right" color and whatever other argument. People bettin…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 01:56 PM
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So true
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 01:55 PM
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No matter how hard you try, the top 10% will still be the top 10%. Everyone cannot be in the top 10%. And they will most likely wipe the floor with you at any age.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 12:14 PM
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Because the men who you don't want approaching you (the creepy stalker type) don't care about the message, don't care what you want. The only ones who will hear the message - are the "nice guys" who do care and who would do their best to approach you in the most comfortable way. What you get by spreading the message is - the second type of guy will not approach you at all, and the first type would approach you the same. And the % of bad experiences will only go up. Oh, well, bet that's not what …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 12:11 PM
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Yeah and that is why 10% dudes on dating apps receive 90% likes. Because all women like different things. You are right: within those 10% hot looking guys, different women would find different guys the most attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 01:52 PM
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Sapiosexual, my ass? You just admitted going to a sporty dude's home who looked "fine" to find that he was eating candy. I wonder which of his traits made you go to his home ,to make that discovery? Probably his "sapio" qualities 😄
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 01:48 PM
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They can as much as fitness trainer can speak "the truth" about building muscles. You don't need to physically go inside the subject to speak about it's behavior. And men observe female behavior, collect statistics, find patterns, and make conclusions about it. You can't argue with facts. To eliminate bias, you just gather a lot of data from different people. Everyone cannot be biased in the same direction, it just doesn't make sense. Believing it is akin to believing global conspiracies aimed d…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 01:37 PM
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What do you mean by "actively dated"? Did you approach random dudes at random places and asked them out? I think most guys are so desperate to find anyone liking them, that they cling onto the first person who shows a modicum of interest and reciprocation, just because the alternative is being alone and miserable.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 11:08 AM
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It's true that your market value is measured by what you can get ("it's up to the cat to decide which milk is good"), but you can't be forced to "sell" at a price that you consider unfair, or date someone you're not attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 10:51 AM
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If a young sporty guy in his 20s is attractive to 40+ y.o. cougars, then they SHOULD be his type?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 10:50 AM
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What do you mean he was emotionally vulnerable from the beginning? Did he approach you with "Oh I hurt my finger, I'm so vulnerable, please make me feel better, mwaaaah" ?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 10:17 AM
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For introverted guys, "being yourself" means never approaching, because it's not in their nature to approach strangers. So they should just stay forever alone, in your opinion?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 10:15 AM
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I find many more women attractive than they do find me attractive. Does it make me more or less picky?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 09:38 AM
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When men talk about wanting a woman who is “physically attractive” that means the exact same thing every time to every person? Actually, it kind of is... A woman attractive to one man is in most cases attractive to every heterosexual man. There are degrees of attractiveness, and they may argue who is the most attractive girl - but one man's 8 cannot be another man's 4.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 07:22 PM
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Their general bar is “the same or less of a body count than me - preferably significantly less” Most men have body count expressed in a single digit, oftentimes below 5. Good luck finding a lady 22y.o. or older with a matching body count.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 12:02 PM
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This both devalues male sexuality and places a premium on female sexuality. Since casual sex reduces a woman's value, she has to be picky about who she has sex with. Men on the other hand, don't have to worry about their value decreasing with each sexual partner. That causes most men to openly and shamelessly pursue sex. Because for most men, getting sex is hard. For most women, it is easy. The "value" of a person doesn't go up when they do something easy, achievable for anyone. But it does go u…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 11:56 AM
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Average men constantly complain that the top men get all the women for casual sex while they get none... ...of the girls willing to give them a chance to establish any kind of relationship. You cut out the second part, which is what made it confusing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 11:54 AM
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Translation: man CAN open up about his feelings, but I decide if he's doing it in correct way, and if I don't like it then I have full authority to laugh at him for being a weakling. There is no way to show vulnerability without showing weakness, my friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 05:56 AM
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On some dating apps, there are way more men than women, so multiple men are “competing” for a single woman. This allows her to be more picky. Works in life, too. Because men are the ones expected to make the first move. So there are more men making the move on women than otherwise, which creates the same imbalance. More men than women are presenting themselves as potential candidates for a romantic relationship. Women on dating apps are forced to be picky because men are not picky enough. Again,…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 09:32 AM
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How does she get validation then? Naah
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 09:22 AM
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Women are not monsters. More like bratty kids. There is a famous saying that power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. The wheels of history led to a place where women have lots of power. It's only natural that they will abuse that power and get corrupted. Men also get corrupted, when they have too much power. It's not like someone's fault. I think hoe_math does a great job of explaining it in his video. youtube.com/watch?v=CN_BDrVjWvU People created a society that thought rules ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 03:03 PM
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and in places like afghanistan, a woman who has premarital sex will get stoned to death but the man she has sex with will only get lashes. Maybe you should ask people from Afghanistan about things happening in Afghanistan? You're asking guys from Miami and Vancouver - to explain what men in Afghanistan are doing. How is that helpful?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 02:56 PM
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Evolutionary biology proves that women get feelings for men they sleep with, and start wanting more. Men are better at compartmentalizing sex and relationships. Not to say that it's a "good" thing to be better at it. It's just nature. Women want to sleep with someone who gives good genes to their baby and also stays around to protect and provide. Men want to spread their genes. Of course biology is not the only thing that dictates our behavior, but it's a powerful influence.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 12:16 PM
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Abundance leads to entitlement and riding standards. The standards for what is "decent food" for rich and poor people - are different. Your logic is like "The idea of having a meal anywhere that is not Michelin 5 star - makes my skin crawl, that's why all the options I have are worthless, therefore people who can only afford McDonald's - shouldn't envy me, we're basically equal".
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 11:16 AM
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If it's making the wife jealous, then it is flirting? Why would she be jealous if it's "jus friends". After all, women should recognize the signs when they are flirting with men?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 10:46 AM
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Aren't women the ones shaping this "society", though? Feminist agenda is among the loudest these days, there is nothing remotely comparable for men. At some point women decided that "liberation" means they must have equal income, which demands equal investment, which makes the cost of bearing a child too high because then you can't invest enough in your career. But it's not men who told women to step up and switch to business lady mode.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 10:43 AM
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Let's assume you're right. It means any girl available for dating has lots of guys who are "somewhat in-between" and "growing on her". Let's also assume she's an honest girl and will eventually get in committed relationship with one of those guys, therefore ditching the rest. So the other guys will have to find someone else to "start growing on her". And keep in mind that "growing on someone" is not cheap. You have to show up for them, be your best around them, show you're interested, show what …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 09:21 AM
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Most women can get sex. Doesn't mean they can get genuine intimate connection. However, if intimate connection was prioritized over desire and lust - than chads would not be awash in sex optionality. Because they are not the kind to produce genuine intimacy and connection. So, one might argue that lust actually tops desire for connection.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 08:57 AM
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I have not seen one man who talks about this unprecedented phenomenon with the passion and concern with which they address the male loneliness epidemic. Hoe_math mentions declining marriage and birth rates pretty often.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 07:21 AM
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No, women are repulsed by promiscuous men If that was true, pre-selection would not be a thing and the effect "I finally got a girlfriend, and suddenly other girls started noticing me too" would not be a thing. It's true women would PREFER to have a high-value men only for themselves, but many would choose to share a high-value man than to have a low-value man all to themselves. Also, women expect a man to be experienced in romantic and sexual stuff, and the only way to get it - is have lots of …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 07:17 AM
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You kidding me?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 04:14 PM
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A minority like Jordan Peterson, and they get so much hate and cancelling for doing that. Speaking for men is an uphill battle these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 08:21 PM
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Proof? Well, try denying them something they want and believe they deserve, and see what happens. Youre talking about them right now. Men never shut up crying and whining about them. I mean serious public discourse. Women's rights are everywhere, in magazines, on TV, in politicians speaking. And who speaks for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 01:24 PM
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However, you can't really pinpoint if specific person wasn't hired because of their gender, race, or lack of skills. You can only make some assumptions, if it becomes a really systemic process in a specific organization. But in the western world, women can play "discrimination" and "toxic masculinity" and "patriarchical oppression" card any time something doesn't go their own way, and they are given what they ask for. So why would they put in the hard work if they can just cry and whine, and get…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 07:45 AM
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Of course. She remembered him as perfect passionate love story, she didn't get a chance to get disappointed in him that usually happens later. Many couples start as "passionate love stories", it's the initial infatuation that makes you blind to the real person's flaws. She remembers the image, the story, and the feelings that story made her feel - not the real person.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 01:07 PM
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You got to balance making her feel valued and loved, with keeping her on her toes and showing you have boundaries and if she crosses them, there will be consequences. You got to be a lion, who can turn into a fluffball in her hands - but sometimes you got to show the lion part as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 02:34 PM
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Sweetheart (I'm using that tone because you're naive like a child, you act like one so I will treat you like one), there is no other option besides transactional or charity. You can either sell/trade something, or give it away for free. No other way to transfer something between people. If you know one - I'm glad to hear it. You're right that transaction is hidden and unspoken, and it is considered rude to talk about it, but that doesn't change the nature of it. If only we called spade a spade, …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 11:41 AM
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It was not true love, it was her way to protest against being married against her will. If they both survived (Leo and Kate characters I mean), I doubt they would live a happy life together. They come from different worlds, have different values and worldview and needs. It was moment of passion that had no future. Ironically, the "no future" part makes women plushy for whatever reason, like it's an excuse to give in to their primal instincts and have fun without thinking about consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 10:35 AM
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True love is unconditional. Find me a woman who will love her man beyong any conditions, whatever he does or does not do, whatever changes he undergoes - she will still love him and do everything for him, no questions asked. I think only parent love is truly unconditional.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 07:20 AM
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That still hurts, esp. if it happens all the time.
/r/seduction14/09/25 07:13 AM
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What is needed is something the other person wants. Could be looks if she's looking for a hot guy. Could be status, if she dreams of banging a celebrity.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 07:04 AM
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You go on a date and you don't know will you like the person after, but you still dress nicely, spend your time and do your effort to attract this person. Leading with "what will i get in return" is just shooting yourself in the leg here. Honey, don't pretend the "what will i get in return" is not running through your head when you go on dates or dress up for them. If you're in the business of charity, go help some people in need. Dating is where people meet other people to have their own needs …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 07:03 AM
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You clearly don't cold approach Oh, but I did. I also meet women without approaching them, and observe and study their body language. I'm confident in myself enough that even if I was recorded and posted online nothing would happen. Well, I'm sure Harvey Weinstein thought the same thing. Let it all spill online, what's the worst could happen? Be wary of your wishes, for they might come true. I can read social cues and calibrate based on that. If someone does not want to talk to me then I leave a…
/r/seduction12/09/25 08:09 PM
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To be honest I think this debate would be much less irritating to everyone if we could move away from the ‘women like hot men! Gotcha!’ line of rhetoric I don't see anyone saying "Gotcha!", but I see lots of women claiming "Oh no, I don't care about looks, all you've got to be is kind and nice and caring, my bar is super low, yet I can't find anyone, where did all the nice men go". That is absolutely not true, and I'm trying to explain it. Hoe_math explains it brilliantly youtube.com/watch?v=PUY…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 07:33 AM
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Do you not know what a normal response is? Your and mine definition of "normal" can be different. Rejection is a normal response, recording someone and calling them a creep is not a normal response. Some girls think that approaching someone in public spaces when they gave you no sign of interest - is harrassment, and they are protecting themselves and other girls from harrsaament by filming it and posting online. One could argue that is normal reaction to harrassment. "Harrassment" itself is a v…
/r/seduction12/09/25 07:28 AM
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Yep, it's rare. I'm sure less than half men under 30 ever experienced that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 06:46 PM
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It's pretty hilarious how you completely misunderstood the crux of what I was getting at. It's even more hilarious how you try to mask your total lack of any solid argument. Man who never struggled with dating, my ass)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 06:45 PM
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Some women, under some circumstances (like when they're drunk and horny and lonely) - can be attracted to almost anyone. There are exceptions to any rule. Heck, even I get likes on Tinder sometimes!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 06:42 PM
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If a dude like Jeremy Allen White wasn’t famous I bet there would still be women finding him attractive I accept your bet. Do we have a way to check it? Attractiveness is a holistic measure. A tall guy can be found unattractive because of a bad face, just like a shorter man can be found attractive because of a good face. No. A tall guy can be found unattractive because of a bad face, and a shorter man with attractive face - will be found unattractive because of height. Ask any short guy with att…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 06:38 PM
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Like every healthy human being, I want social acceptance / validation / attention, especially from opposite gender. Are there subreddits for that? Recently I discovered r/RateMe , and girls there are getting dozens of comments with all kinds of compliments and validation words - while men are lucky if they get a couple. You getting my point now?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 06:36 PM
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Define "normal responses". I'm talking to you right now. Is your response to my question - "normal"? Is that the kind of responses you're getting from others?
/r/seduction11/09/25 06:33 PM
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The problem with your analogy is that used smartphones are objectively worse than brand-new ones Exactly. Tall guys are "better"than short guys, in terms of attraction to women. Guys with "bad boy" vibe (call it confidence, if you like) are "better" in terms of sexual appeal. Guys with high status and 100K followers - are "better" than noname Joe's. But some girls say they prefer "nerds", and suddenly it negates everything else? No way. Tastes - are for icings on a cake, but you got to have the …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 04:40 PM
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Really, you're gonna compare yourself to someone who has years of acting experience and studies mannerisms and facial expressions professionally? Oh, so the "smirk" can in fact look sexy on some males. Who would have thought!
/r/seduction11/09/25 03:41 PM
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If you think a "flirty" smile looks like this -> 😏 You're wrong. That actually gives more of a creepy vibe. It's being too overt, too creepy and too sexually suggestive, especially out on dates. Hm, I guess Ian didn't get the memo. So this is what "creepy" looks like? Okay) https://www.pinterest.com/pin/859202435148607480/
/r/seduction11/09/25 02:58 PM
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Here's a math problem for you. There are 5 smartphones in the shop with identical price. 1 smartphone is brand new, and others are used with signs of use. Jane come to buy a smartphone. Jane won't be attracted to the used smartphones, but someone else might - true or false? And yes, I can compare people and smartphones, because the way people pick dating partners today - is very similar to picking smartphones. We have "red flags" ("10 things to watch out for when picking a phone"), shops (dating…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 02:07 PM
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Dude I'm a woman stating MY experience How can you, as a woman - have any experience to make claims about dating prospects of men? NO ADMIT IT But you admitted yourself I mean yeah.. probably because MOST WOMEN don't want to risk getting pregnant by a stranger ? You admitted it yourself, then started justifying and rationalising it. I don't need your rationalising, admitting is enough. you'll see ugly men with ugly women, ugly women with averager women, ugly men with pretty women, pretty women w…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 01:59 PM
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I'm trying to point out that manosphere belief in 20/80 is an extreme and untrue, and you jumping to another extreme and untrue statement about "then attractiveness shared equally" We will never know exact numbers. It could be 80/20, or 70/30, or 90/10. Nobody will run this kind of statistics in globabl scale. The idea is - that majority of women are attracted to minority of men, and those are the same men enjoying high optionality (because there are many women desiring them), and therefore they…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 01:51 PM
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I mean yeah.. probably because MOST WOMEN don't want to risk getting pregnant by a stranger ? Maybe. We're could argue about the reasons - but first let's agree that OPs starting point is incorrect. Women ARE attracted to the same minority of men. Even if they have valid reasons for that (not that they need, really). You're trying to justify women behaving like that, but nobody is attacking or blaming women. We just want you to admit the truth, that's all. No need to explain WHY you're doing it.…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 01:43 PM
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To a degree. Overall men are less picky than women, when it comes to attraction. Most men would have sex with most women, but most women would NOT have sex with most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 01:00 PM
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Cross-cultural studies. Sexual attraction is strongly correlated to specific anthropometric features. Go read some science journals.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 12:59 PM
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Your starting post: Saying that women are attracted to the same men is just ridiculous and simply untrue You now: There are some who would appeal to majority So which one is it? Appeal to majority - literally means majority of women are attracted to the same men. "Niche appeal" is limited, because if a girl is into punks - you still have to be conventionally attractive AND be a punk, for her to be attracted to you. If you're a punk who is NOT conventionally attractive - she will NOT be attracted…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 12:58 PM
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Women never deny being attracted to attractive men, women just say that what women find attractive varies and different for each women. Don;t you see how flawed is this logic? If "attractive" is different for everyone, then everyone is attractive (to somebody). and that means nobody is attractive. Attraction is comparative - like most other characteristics. Like, if everyone is slim - no one is slim. Slim means "you're slim compared to most people". So, attractive means "you're attractive compar…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 12:22 PM
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Well, I live among people, and I have no influence over the people surrounding me. I can change locations, but if something is trendy in society - then it won't make much of a difference. I guess I could go live in a forest hut, away from any people - but if I'm not that tough and desperate - then I have to adapt to the circumstances. And if society expects men to be tough and cold and keeping it all in - then I have to become more like that, or face the consequences in terms of people avoiding …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 12:14 PM
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It is a choice. Adapting to a bad system instead of trying to buck the system is a choice. How exactly can I "adapt a system" of modern feminism, that brainwashed whole generations into thinking men are "faulty people" and their problems don't matter, and they should just suck it up and try harder to please women?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 11:33 AM
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9s and 10s are not freely available for a lot of approaches, you will not find them in venues for common folks. Like, can you imagine Charlize Theron sitting in a bar sipping beer with some rednecks? You will have to get through her bodyguards to "approach" her. So of course she's not approached much, she doesn't need it.
/r/seduction11/09/25 07:46 AM
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Thats a crazy take. Do you want your future gf to accept anyone and everyone who approaches her? Well, would you prefer your future GF to sleep with anyone who is more skilled at seduction then you, or is more confident, or invests more in her? Trust me, this way you will be cheated on all the time. I think the best solution for everyone - would be, if girls decided who they want near them (since they are the ones choosing anyway), and give clear signals of interest. This way they are not creepe…
/r/seduction11/09/25 07:41 AM
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In my 50ish approaches I have never had a super negative reaction. Just awkwardness. Which is still worth trying for, no regrets. Awkwardness IS negative reaction. It means "I don't want you there, I don't want you near me, get out and leave me the f*** alone you awkward creep". That's where it begins. Now imagine you run into a girl who is in bad mood, who projects her anger at her ex onto other men, wants attention, and add that awkwardness...
/r/seduction11/09/25 07:30 AM
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Lucky you. I'm getting "you're not there" / "get out of my eyesight" cues even when I DO NOT approach / engage, but am just present. Just proves my point that pretty boyz have it very differently.
/r/seduction11/09/25 07:26 AM
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Oh really? What kind of response are you getting, then? Please share.
/r/seduction11/09/25 07:23 AM
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That's your opinion. Reality does not agree with your opinion.
/r/seduction11/09/25 07:23 AM
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Skill issue. Get better at approaching. 1) How do you get better, if you get no feedback of what you've done wrong and there are no guidelines how to do it right? Other guys are doing the same thing - and get different reactions, because they look better and hotter. So how can we "get better"? 2) The cost of mistake can be too high. The fact that women rapidly repel subpar dudes should *encourage* guys trying to improve this part of their life. Why doesn't it work when the roles are reversed, th…
/r/seduction11/09/25 07:21 AM
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If we stick to statistics, then "average american couple" is cheating on each other and divorced.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 07:15 AM
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The one thing I don't see is men being responsible for their own actions and choices. How is responsibility for one's choices - related to the social and evolutionary structure that oppresses compassion in men and punishes them for practicing it? Men didn't choose the social and evolutionary structure they were born into. It's not choice, it's adaptation to the conditions you are living within.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 07:12 AM
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74% of women aged 25 and below want to be approached more ...and yet the moment someone less hot than their ex approaches them - they grab that phone and start making a video of "look how some creep attempted to harass me today and I shoved him off! 1:0 for the girls, yay, here we go!" There is a reason why most men are reluctant to approach, and that reason is the reactions they get. There is no other reason, really. Just google researches done to question men why they don't approach.
/r/seduction10/09/25 09:46 PM
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That's why the streets of USA are filled with average to below-average couples. I don't see that, though. I see great guys paired with all sorts of women, and lots of lonely single dudes, the types that have to go to dating apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 08:13 PM
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The "average woman" is 5'4" and weighs 171 lbs Yep, and median age is 39 yrs, so "average woman" can barely have kids at all. Because when looking for a wife, I'm supposed to consider 20y.o.s to grandma's (that's how they calculate average height and weight).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 08:10 PM
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Wow. Weird, but okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 06:41 PM
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She's closer to average than your headcanon waifu. I'm a gym rat and I see dozens of women monthly in the gym, all of which are so much hotter than your "average woman" on the photo. You telling me all those women are headcanon waifu's ? Whom are they dating then? Headcanon Ken dolls?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 06:39 PM
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50% are very ugly, 51-80% are kinda meh, 81-95% are okay-ish to kinda cute, 96-99.5% are kinda hot, 0.5% are "do with me what you want right here"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 06:36 PM
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Describe what you mean by "feminine man"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 04:24 PM
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Sometimes I see people use these words as a synonym of "attractive to women" and most of the time they can't be more wrong. Even though not all woman want the same things and everyone is attracted to different things there are always things that men do in th name of masculinity that aren't necessarily attractive. Well, it's super-easy to check. See what kind of men, women are obsessing about and gossiping with their girlfriends. See what kind of guys are featured in the movies targeted at women.…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 04:23 PM
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Is it a sexual advancement to maybe talk to someone by the coffee machine a few times and have a laugh with them? Of course! Didn't you read the memo? All men are horny creeps who only think about getting laid. If they seem like they are not, it's just because they are players and learned to mask their intentions! You should know better than that, after all the feminist sisters fought hard for you to have this knowledge and be saved from objectification and oppression! I bet eventually he asked …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 03:35 PM
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Okay so your issue is not every man easily gets tons of women, not most men being single or unwanted. It's not an issue, it is trying to get women to admit the truth about their sexual selection ruled by hypergamy. A man who is not high-value - can only hope to be attractive to a woman who has significantly lower sexual market value. If you're average, the best you can hope for is pick the crumbs after the high-value men had their feast. If you, as an average guy, are attracted to a woman - it's…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 03:30 PM
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Not just me. There are plenty of guys like that in modern world. And nobody cares about their problems, because apparently only women's problems matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 03:24 PM
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What the what? This generation is doomed. That is not toxic masculinity. If you think saying hello to someone is toxic masculinity you really need to get out and touch grass. How exactly do you ever expect to date a woman if you don't talk to her? Trust me, I tried, and was constantly getting weird looks, like I was doing something off the charts. And told to use dating apps, because they were specifically created for this purpose. Public spaces are created for different purposes, I was told. Wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 01:42 PM
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Oh yes, any research shows there are much less lonely women than men, except maybe the aged group because women outlive their male peers. Women are "fine-ish" sharing the same high-value man (it's not perfect, but better share a Ferrari than drive a cheap Chevy), and high-value men are happy to be "shared" and have abundance of sexual options. It's a win-win, except for average and below average dudes, but who cares about them? Comedian Iliza Schlesinger calls it "natural selection". Become high…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 12:35 PM
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I think significant portion are. Like, 20-25% judging from various statistics. Bigger portion of men - have occasional luck, like random drunk hookup, or a single aging mother deciding she needs a provider, and they happened to be the first in line. And minority of men - are enjoying the vast majority of sex, with the most desirable women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 10:55 AM
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I myself met my man at work Why did you not file a harrasment complain? Where was HR looking? Making sexual advancement in the workplace, what a toxic culture!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 08:50 AM
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The man this women marries is likely the same guy she’s been dating since her early/mid 20’s. With clip-thinking and swiping culture, dating someone for years will become less and less common. The temptation to go for something new when you have the first signs of problem - is too high. People don't want to invest into building something, they want instant gratification.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 08:49 AM
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Most average, neurotypical, reasonably well adjusted people will be married or cohabitating at around their 30th birthday after years of dating. Statistical trends do not support that, though. Half of men under 30 are single, as of now. And the trend is upwards.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 08:47 AM
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According to a recent study by Morgan Stanley, it is projected that by 2030, approximately 45% of women between the ages of 25–44 will be childless and single. That number expected to grow even without any apocaliptic scenarios.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 08:45 AM
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Then honestly I think you have found the root of the problem, you need to actually talk to women! Yeah, so you could call it toxic masculinity, because I'm "forcing myself onto women who didn't express any interest, so they just want to be left alone, but just like all men I'm preying on the poor defenseless women, thinking like they owe me something, thus enacting patriarchal oppression"? Nice try. Yes you are going to get shot down, but eventually someone will say yes. "Shut down" can come wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 08:02 AM
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Forego sex? As if someone is offering it to you just like that? Who are you, Dan Bilzerian?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 07:37 PM
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What times and cultures are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 07:35 PM
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None. Unlike the f-boys, I have some respect for women around me and don't want to put them in uncomfortable situations. I actually bothered to hear their opinions on "shooting shot in person", and general consensus is - they are creeped out by it, and consider it a horrible act of violation of their boundaries, and almost an assault on their right to be left alone. I don't want ladies to feel assaulted by me. Just ask them on Reddit, watch endless videos they make, do some googling. They say th…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 07:28 PM
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No offense but are you being serious? How did you meet all of your friends and partners in your life up to this point? Probably not online, right? Who says I have any? Go to parties and talk to people. I hate parties, night clubs and other kind of venues, where people gather to get drunk and make silly moves to match the overbearing music. Ask your friends if they can introduce you. I don't have any friends, and people I know can't "introduce" me to anyone. Anyway that would be weird as hell. Im…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 07:17 PM
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Do these "couples" actually go on dates, see each other or live together or do they just chat through screens? These couples told the people asking questions that they are in committed relationships. If you want to avoid this, meet people in real life When I was learning cold approaches, quite a few ladies asked me "Why are you doing this, don't you have dating apps specifically created for this purpose?". They were looking at me like a was riding a horse in the middle of a highway. people in re…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 04:25 PM
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I don't drive. Next question?
/r/seduction09/09/25 04:22 PM
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It's not about cowardice, it's about self-respect and self-preservations. Maybe if you're a bum living in a cardboard box, you have nothing to lose. But I worked my a$$ off to earn my position in the society and build my social network. I'm not risking everything just because some 304 has a bad day and/or wants to go viral. If you want to fuck that much - go ahead, but don't come crying later.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 04:19 PM
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It’s just a date. It’s supposed to be fun. If a dudes is so afraid to make the wetting moves, he’s not taking the time to enjoy things and make the right ones. It is NOT fun when some lady freaks out and makes a tiktok about you approaching her in "inappropriate manner" (whatever that means, no one can explain the rules of "appropriate" approach so anything can become inappropriate) and goes viral, and all your friends and your boss think you're some creep. It's also NOT fun to get weird reactio…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 03:51 PM
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Marriage is not unnatural Marriage used to be a contract between two people (sometimes as part of larger agreement between their families), with clear defined rules and roles and responsibilities. Nowadays, marriage is whatever you make of it. As Pearl Davis mentioned on her channel - "modern marriage is cosplay". We wear pretty dresses and suits, and give each other rings, and say vows, but that can mean whatever you want - or nothing at all. Interestingly, people are not hardwired for life-lon…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 03:47 PM
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To impress a woman on a date, you need to be confident and know what you're doing, know how to play this game. That is a matter of experience. Most guys will have next to zero experience - which will make them even less intresting in the womens' eyes, which in turn cuts them off experience... It's the same problem that young people face when entering job market. To get a job - experience is required, but how do you get experience, if no one will give you a job until you have some experience?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 03:37 PM
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Abundance of options does not devalue sex, it just rises the bar of what is "good sex". It's like saying having lots of money - devalues money, and it becomes like free labor. Nope. Lots of money means lots of opportunities. But as you get more, you stop valuing them, just like you stop valuing water because there is so much of it. Still, from the POV of someone living in a desert - you're very lucky, even though you don't think so. You're just a spoiled brat who doesn't value what was given to …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 12:43 PM
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True, but lately it has grown out of proportion.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 12:37 PM
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That's exactly what I mean. When people say they like different kind of people, there are implicit unspoken requirements that cut off majority of population. And those implicit requirements are not that different between different women, BTW. With feminism and social networks, the implicit requirements are going up. That's why we have dating crisis and make loneliness epidemic and women dating the same guys meeting all of those implicit requirements, and can't get them to commit. Hopefully it al…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 11:57 AM
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Only parent-child relationships are not transactional, a loving parent will love their child and take care of them no matter what they do. Everything else is conditional and transactional, and there's nothing wrong with it. No one has to love you just because you exist, except your parents if you're lucky. I would not be a friend with someone who uses me and is not there for me when I need their support , but that already makes it conditional... Would you? Demanding sincere regard from them - is…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 11:35 AM
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Okay, then we can argue that women only like extroverted highly communicative funny guys. That's why introverted guys stand no chance, that's why they go to OLD, but they don't possess attractive exterior to get matches... You can't say women like all sorts of guys and then add "but you need to be X and Y, and have Z". Kinda violates the whole point.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 11:32 AM
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At least women have the option of getting attention and validation and men willing to date them by posting sexy pics and going on Tinder. Men don't have this option.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 11:09 AM
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In friendship, the "price" is also implicit. Nobody says "I will not be your friend if you don't bring me any benefit", but if you only take from your friend and don't give back - they will stop being your friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 11:07 AM
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That's akin to thinking "if you haven't seen stones floating in the air instead of falling down, it just means you haven't found one" Totally anti-science.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 11:05 AM
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Well, some people seem to have a problem with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 10:50 AM
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They can post a video of me online, that will go viral. For driving, at least we have rules to follow on the road. For approaching - everyone is shouting different things, so whatever we go with - we will fail someone's expectations. We lose as soon as we start playing this game.
/r/seduction09/09/25 10:49 AM
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We're not fine with being killed, but we're also not fine with women arguing that draft doesn't matter and men and women are in equal situations. They are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 10:46 AM
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How is that opposite to what I argue, though? There are different types among top 20% attractive dudes. I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 10:44 AM
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They are different, but both demonstrate high scores in features attractive to women. Tim fits the "attractive feminine emo type" that younger girls tend to fall for. Henry is the "attractive huge muscle man of steel" niche that is more for elder women's taste (25+). They both have hunter eyes, defined jawbone, symmetric face, sexy body proportions. But above everything, they are rich and famous. High status and fame - allows you a bigger margin of error in your exterior and behavior. You can dr…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 10:40 AM
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They are both extremely famous rich high status well groomed guys with profound artistic talents. They're in different bodyweight categories, but they have more in common than different.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 09:59 AM
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"I prefer a tall guy to a short guy" is pretty universal among women. There are a lot of universal attractive features, and also some unique, which only matter if you also possess the universal ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 09:57 AM
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Sure. There are maybe 10-20% attractive men, and among those men there are different types. Attractive jacked guys, attractive nerds, attractive punks, attractive standup artists... That's exactly my argument. Are you agreeing with it or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 09:55 AM
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I never said they are exactly the same. But there are attractive features, like hip-to-waist ratio for women and shoulder-to-waist ratio for men that make people more attractive to opposite sex. But in the end, it's men complaining that they can't get any girl to go on dates, and women never complain about that. Women complain they can't get the guy to commit. So finding a date is not a problem for women. That doesn't add up with "women like different guys". If women liked different guys, then t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 09:36 AM
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I don't watch TikTok. I watch YT, read Reddit and that gives me the impression. I bet people who git cancelled also thought they were just "being paranoid". Even if it's "only" a 5% chance that someone you approach will have a bad mood and ruin your life, still not worth it.
/r/seduction09/09/25 09:10 AM
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Experience and education. You know what experience is. When the risk is being cancelled and becoming a "hero" of next tiktok video, the price of experimenting gets just too high.
/r/seduction09/09/25 07:49 AM
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People online are not your real friends and they don't actually like you. When they're not online chatting with you, you don't exist. Date IRL. Statistics says most couples meet online these days. So if you can't meet a person interested in you online, you're basically screwed. Even if you meet someone IRL, when they get home they will open their phone and boom - you're competing for her with online dudes, just like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 07:20 AM
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I have a group of friends with 5 women, 3 of whom are overweight and 1 of whom is single and NOT OVERWEIGHT. She has a child and is physically attractive, but she can't seem to find a relationship. A RELATIONSHIP. Not someone to date, not someone willing to give her a chance. But someone to commit (exclusivity and sponsorship for herself and the child). That's exactly what I wrote in starting post. Let's start counting men whom she dismissed because they were not decent / good enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 07:18 AM
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My partner was raised in Ukraine and she told me about a family friend literally being pulled from his home and was killed in battle. Unfortunately, there are too many stories like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 07:14 AM
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Why "transactional" is not "genuine" though? Just because transaction is implicit / hidden?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 07:11 AM
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The draft (which hasn’t been active for 50 years and doesn’t pose a credible threat in the U.S.) I live in a country that's currently in the state of war, and men are "drafted" on the streets by force, which may include chasing, beating and shoving into buses. Last week I talked to a guy who was caught like that, and had to cut his forearms and chest with a piece of broken cup and smear himself in blood, so that he would be sent to the psychic ward and not to the frontlines, where he would proba…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 06:45 PM
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Please provide "raw data" proving you are a) non-top-tier man and b) you are being chased by women. Otherwise we cannot believe you. Sorry, but you chose the rules of this game yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 08:05 PM
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How can f-boyz exist then, if every girl prefers her own type of men (what you claim)? The very idea of f-boy is being highly desirable by a wide group of females, and having a lot of optionality and sex as the result. Which is not possible if what you say is true.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 07:54 PM
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I shouldn't have to Well, that's the only way to get "raw data" that you insist on seeing. Whatever we can provide - was collected and processed by someone else, therefore not "raw".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 07:51 PM
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Sure, probably some. That still doesn't mean women are chasing all the same top tier of men. You're welcome to prove tyour point by providing an example of non-top-tier man that women are chasing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 07:49 PM
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There are many experiments and studies showing that human "beauty" is indeed objective. So yeah, women find the same guys attractive. And men find the same women attractive. But men find more women attractive than the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 07:46 PM
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So when your logic gets applied to a different subject - you find it dumb, oh really? What a surprise.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 07:43 PM
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Then red pillers should stop claiming this data exists. Then people should stop claiming Moon surface exists. Nobody can provide "raw data" proving its existence. Isn't it weird nobody raised this issue before, right? You literally have no idea how many dudes there are, much less why they can't find these things. I have a clear idea based on this subreddit alone. And you haven't even seen incel forums / subreddits. Who are they populated by? Two and a half men?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 07:34 PM
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You're either a liar, or can't read, or can't be bothered to read. He explained he did an experiment using fake profiles, and also interviewed some women. But I will play your game justa little bit more, just to see how you weasel your way out of this one: Tinder doesn't supply any statistics or analytics about member usage so I had to collect this data myself. The most important data I needed was the percent of men that these females tended to “like”. I collected this data by interviewing femal…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 07:21 PM
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I don't think you know what that means. it means Tinder and OKCupid will not give you free access to their database, so you could count every like and measure how many profiles get how many likes. Okay, screw the data. You haven't answered why there are so many dudes who can't get dates, love or sex. According to your theory - everyone should have it. Or perhaps you require the proof of our existence, too?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 07:16 PM
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It's in the sources I posted above. You will not find the "ultimate original super-source" because such data is not available to public. But you are free to create as many fake profiles of men and women as you wish, and make your own research. You will come to the same conclusion. I would direct you to the books on evolutionary psychology, but they do not contain any "raw data" either... It's mostly evolutionary theory applied to mating choice, plus a few experiments. https://medium.com%2F@mediu…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 07:05 PM
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I addressed your concern in my other response. There is no amount of evidence that will convince you, because there is no "raw data" here accessible to anyone. Heck, any data we have about the surface of the Moon - is circumstancial, because only 12 people actually saw it with their own eyes ("raw data"). So why don't you make an argument that Moon surface is fake? At least be consistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 06:57 PM
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I mean, you clearly think all the women who use the Tea app are terrible unlovable people, soooo... 🤷‍♀️ You know not all women are on that app, right? So why do you pay the most attention to the women you hate? First of all, I don't hate women, I just think they bluff too much and abuse mental gymnastics to deny some ugly truths about themselves. That's not hate. It's more like a kid caught on cheating, trying to veasel his way out of a bad grade. I don't hate that kid, but I don't think this k…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 03:19 PM
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Data that is not data (this guy wrote a blog post and said he did a Tinder experiment but also you can't see the data, stop asking) Well, what kind of data do you want? Access to profiles and messages and likes, so you could verify and count them on your own, one by one? No one will give you that kind of access. We're working with pieces of reports that were opened to public (leaked?), we're piecing them together and comparing them to what we observe in real life. With your approach, you can cal…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 03:12 PM
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It doesn't matter whether you see it, it statistically is true. It's statistically true BASED ON YOUR OBSERVATIONS. Based on your VIBE. You didn't offer any solid proof, only that you see different people who find dates and sex and love. I don't see that. Our observations are completely equal. If you don't see something - doesn't mean it doesn't exist. That's why we have statistics and studies and data.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 03:06 PM
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I contend that your risk assessment isn’t fully accurate, and that you aren’t up against random chance here, but have some ability to select and filter out horrible women. If I got a dollar every time a woman who seemed nice and sweet - did something horrible... Don't you know there are no horrible people? Read about "Prison Experiment", and Milgram Experiment, and multiple versions of them re-created over the decades. People who torture prisoners - at the end of their shift, go home and play wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 03:04 PM
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I haven’t done a survey. But I’ve been reading and commenting on the sub for years. It’s a common posting topic and a common comment. Words "selection bias" ring any bell?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 03:00 PM
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It does have to do everything with our nature, and our nature is the thing that sits behind most our decisions. You do realize that human brain hasn't changed over the last few dozen thousand years, right? Or do I need to give you a short summary of evolution theory and natural selection? Sexual preferences and strategies are not product of society or culture. It's called "primal instinct", for F's sake. It's engrained in our biology. Do you ever wonder why people from every part of the world an…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 02:54 PM
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How come every dating app statistics shows that top 5-10-20% man profiles get 80-90% likes? How is it mathematically possible, if every woman swipes right different guys? Why are most guys complaining they can't get 2 likes in a week, while Chads show profiles with hundreds of likes and DMs, where girls literally invite them to come over? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHPFYRfCTLI You do have some idea of how math works, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 02:50 PM
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Well, I don't see that people of all shapes and sizes find dates and love and sex. I see that there are many guys who can't find a GF, while most girls are "already in relationships" (at least that's what hey say when they are approached by said guys). The women who have trouble finding a relationship - are mostly around 40 or older. That's what I see. Perhaps you're only noticing "happy couples" because they fit your narrative so well, and anyway who cares about a bunch of losers, it's their ow…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 02:43 PM
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Just watch this short video by hoe_math and let me know if you still have any questions. https://www.tiktok.com/@hoe_math/video/7341063529723645230
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 02:38 PM
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Try these: https://medium.com/@worstonlinedater/tinder-experiments-ii-guys-unless-you-are-really-hot-you-are-probably-better-off-not-wasting-your-2ddf370a6e9a https://techcrunch.com/2009/11/18/okcupid-inbox-attractive/ But I'll do you better - just go to hoe_math YT channel and watch any video by him. I'd suggest the longer ones where he goes into detail, explaining how modern "dating market" works, in short ones he just briefly mentions those great drawings that have most of the answers. And th…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 02:35 PM
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You think only the "bad girls" and "shallow bitches" use the Tea app and spill sh*t about men who they think offended them somehow, by rejecting them or not wanting a committed relationship with them?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 02:26 PM
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Not all, but hey - even if it was only 1 in 3 or 4, that's still a crazy risk. Imagine that walking in a dark street at night has only a 5% chance of you getting mugged or worse, does it mean dark streets at night are generally safe and people have nothing to worry about?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 02:22 PM
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You really think the statistical majority of relationships end with the woman filing a false allegation of rape, getting cash rewards for it, and being lauded with whatever you think “brave points” are? Well, most marriages end in divorce, and most divorces are initiated by women, and wpmen end up getting custody over children (if any were born in marriage), and also rewarded with significant portion of man's property. Specific proportions vary across countries with different laws and policies, …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 02:17 PM
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There is a genetic study that shows modern people have genes of much smaller selection of males than females, proving that only a small portion of men produced offsprings throughout the largest part of human history.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 11:48 AM
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No we don't. You don't have any proof of that. Marriages are not equal to love and sex. You can have marriage without love and sex. In fact, many people here can confirm that. So we have some people claiming to be happy in marriage while others are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 11:46 AM
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Well, yeah. If a woman sends 99 likes to the top tier men and 1 like to an average dude, then she doesn't only swipe right on the top tier men. However, if he matches with her, she's almost guaranteed to ghost him because he can't compete with top tier men, so if she gets any matches with them she will forget the average dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 11:43 AM
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Can you link this survey? What year is it from?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 11:40 AM
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Just Google "women swiping dating apps" and in 3 minutes you will see enough evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 11:39 AM
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Not as much society, as people controlling and pushing specific narratives into mass culture. Society is not personified, it doesn't have its own will. But specific people and groups do.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 11:15 AM
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Depends on where in India they live, though. I heard there are some very conservative communities in India.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 11:11 AM
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Sure, that makes sense. They marry a nice beta who will take care of them and their child, and find an f-boy lover for fun. She can easily trick the nice guy into believing any reasons for jealousy are coming simply from his insecurities, and rope him into giving her a wide leeway so she can do whatever she wants. You're absolutely right.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 11:09 AM
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It is an EXTREMELY common desire among men on this sub I see you did your homework and counted the statistics, so what % pf men are we talking about? Do you have specific names? Or is it just "I spent 15 minutes in this sub and learned everything about it"
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 07:14 AM
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What specifically is the “juice” you actually want to get? Reciprocation, sigs and actions of her attraction and interest, exclusivity, investing in your relationship... Sex lies under "actions of her attraction and interest", because when you're attracted to a person romantically and sexually - you normally want to have sex with them. Doesn't have to be first or second date, but you need to see you're both headed that way (flirting, touching, vibes...).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 07:11 AM
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it's probably evolutionary adaptation. Children of women who chose to mate with "dangerous" men - must have had higher chance of survival in prehistoric ages.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 12:33 PM
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Actually Chris Williamson had a guy on his podcast talking about this show, and the scenario described in the show is extremely, extremely statistically rare. It's crazy that work of fiction led to parliament hearings, but they completely ignore real violence statistics.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 12:12 PM
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And yes, humans are that complicated: otherwise, there would be an explanation how the human brain works You don't need to understand how some animal "works" on cellular level, to study its patterns of behavior and make predictions that come true. Newton didn't understand relativity, but his theory of gravity described a lot of things with a great precision, for his time. BTW you can make the same argument about physics - "there is no explanation how physics works on quantume level, therefore ph…
/r/ExRedPill04/09/25 07:39 AM
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Perhaps you should ask Amy on a date rather than hoping women in general will change for the sole benefit of men. She's married)) Her husband got a real gem. As for the NYT post it is more than likely just a click bait article designed to make the majority of their customers (which are probably men) happy. If you bothered to read it, you'd see that it doesn't paint men in bright colors. I have noticed an uptick in videos on YouTube as well about this subject and it’s always on YouTube channels t…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 08:57 AM
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If she’s bored in the date you go “well I’m sorry you didn’t have fun but I had a great time” then you never ask her out again. That gives you the freedom to go ask a different girl to that type of event till you find d a person who has a good time too. Only it's hard to have a good time when the person next to you is disappointed. Honestly I think man shouldn't expect much from the first date and should not invest much in the first date. Just grab some coffee and see how you vibe together, unle…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 08:43 PM
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Do not fear,for it's already happening. NYT recently published an article "Men, Where Have You Gone? Please Come Back" https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/20/style/modern-love-men-where-have-you-gone-please-come-back.html Amy Dangerfield made a great video discussing it, I think every woman who has trouble dating - should watch it. Honestly, seeing ladies like her revives my hope that maybe there are still smart girls out there. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otuKYRlHwWU&ab_channel=AmyDangerfield
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 08:35 PM
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Maybe dudes should start making fun dates so they aren’t so bored It takes two to make a fun date. A bored entitled gal - can spoil the funniest date plan ever, and a nice kind smart lady - can turn the most boring date into the best in your life. Unfortunately, it looks like the chance of meeting the first type is disproportionately higher...
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 08:30 PM
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That's the balance of power in dating. Women are gatekeepers of sex, but men are gatekeepers of relationship. Also, high-value men absolutely have all the power over women, being highly desirable as both sex partners and relationship partners. But not the average guy. I think evolutionary psychology does a great job of explaining why it is so. We can't really change it. As a man, you always have the option of going your own way.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 08:28 PM
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Well, unltimately is the woman's choice whether to have a baby or not. After all, it's being created through her body, so she has more control (what goes in it, and stays there). Man has much less say in the matter, and is easily convinced to forego contraception (should a woman have such intention). Also, women are better at dealing with children and caring for others, than men - due to their nervous system differences and hormones (woman can hear baby's cry from further distance, she is better…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 03:05 PM
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Is pre-selection the only thing women are attracted to. No, I never said it is the only one. But it is a very important factor, that can by itself drive you from "Eh? What guy? I don't even remember him" to "Wow, there's something about him". Of course it does not guarantee happy marriage or anything. It's just about initial attraction - you caught her eye, she got interested, now you have something to work with. Pride has a very high overlap with confidence. Possibly. I'm proud of my physique, …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 08:45 PM
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They think if they repeat it enough times, we would believe it, and stop showing them the ugly truth about themselves. Then they can keep riding their moral high horse.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 06:37 PM
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Once I realized this, my self esteem shot through the roof. I had always been told, “not every woman will like you.” Studies and evolutionary psychology show that women want what other women want. Pre-selection is a huge factor of female attractiveness, anyone who ever came to a party with a pretty lady holding their hand (be it their girlfriend or not) - experienced it firsthand. Suddenly other girls start paying attention and wondering, who's that guy. That's why for men, there is no "middle c…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 06:34 PM
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But the 20% I am personally attracted to is somewhat different than the 20% another woman is attracted to. If you take 2 specific women, their preferences might differ a lot. But if you take 200 000 women, you will notice obvious trends. That's what dating apps show us. I mean, look at high school. Jane might be into the tall quarterback, while Jill might be into the tall mysterious rebel. But if we ask all girls in the class, majority of them will be into 2-3 guys only. It's not like every guy …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 06:30 PM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 06:25 PM
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Again, depends on the perspective and how interested you are in this "stranger". Looking at what some girls are posting in their Instagram (and it's becoming increasingly popular), I'd say they are one step away from posting nudes to be seen by all of their subscribers.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 02:12 PM
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Watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHPFYRfCTLI If a woman is sexually attracted to the guy (which is the definition of "hot"), sexual innuendo from him would be taken positively, because that's the direction she wants to pursue. Why would it be a turn-off, if the guy is giving hints to something you are secretly craving?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 12:14 PM
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We're too dependent on corporations and their products, though. Imagine you start swinging torches, and Google and Facebook shut down. Most people would be on their knees in two days, begging to return everything as it used to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 11:08 AM
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I get what you’re saying, but that ‘too many old people, not enough young workers’ problem only exists because the system is designed around endless growth. The system is not "designed" by some mastermind, it's just the only way it can operate in the long-run. You're very welcome to suggest an alternative. Super-complicated automatons can only be constructed in a very big and powerful economy, because it takes a hell lot of investment to research, develop, produce them. And you also need to main…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 10:57 AM
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gut their companies financially ...and then gone are all the jobs they created, and you have more unemployed people you have to support somehow... Really, the Big Soviet experiment didn't teach people anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 10:55 AM
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That's exatly what happens in most government-ruled econimics, where government takes it upon itself to distribute the goods and resources. See USSR economy. Everything is cheap, but you can't buy anything because the stores are empty.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 10:50 AM
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Try doing that when "Bezos" is the one sponsoring the whole charade.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 10:47 AM
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And inmigrants usually have less kids as they establish in a country with lower birth rates. Or they make lots of children and live off child support from the state. I remember a video of some immigrant who boasted buying Lamborgini for the money the state gave him to support his 10 or something kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 10:46 AM
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The only reason declining birth rates are being pushed as a “crisis” is because corporations and politicians are worried about having fewer workers to exploit. Objectively, declining birth rates are a good thing. The planet now has over 8 billion people, just 100 years ago it was around 1.5 billion. We don’t need more people, if anything we need fewer. One question: how are you going to pay retirement funds to aging populations, when 1 young person able to work and create some product - has to c…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 10:44 AM
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Yes, exactly. You see, I don't believe we're absolutely "free" in ouк choices. We're heavily affected by the society, culture, people living around us. Therefore, we can affect people's choices by modifying our culture and society and promoting specific values and norms. That way, we do not force them into anything and do not limit their freedom. They are still free to make their own decisions. But most people will follow the herd - it's just our nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 08:24 AM
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Can you give examples?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 07:58 AM
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The funny part is - a hot guy can DM something like that, and she will laugh and flirt with him. But if a not very hot guy is sending her highly literate romantic poetry glorifying her beauty - best case she replies "Ha-ha))"
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 07:56 AM
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In my experience, men that say shit like this Please say the exact number of times you heard "shit like this" and recall the context in which it was said.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 07:54 AM
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Wait till they are aged and find themselves surrounded by a horde of immigrants, none of which would cover their retirement fund. I bet they wouldn't see how they contributed to the situation, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 07:39 AM
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Have you asked every involuntary celibate? Or at least a majority of them? How exactly did they "hate women"? Give at least 10 examples, if you talked to so many incels then it shouldn't be a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 07:35 AM
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If you're "jacked" most women aren't really into that look outside of women that are into gym culture themselves. Most women tend to prefer athletic physiques over bodybuilder physiques though there is a niche for that as long as it's not too extreme. The problem with the "lean" phisique that girls seem to prefer when looking at shirtless photos - is, when wearing anything other than a super-slim spandex-like top, all the muscle is invisible. Only the neck and hands are visible, if you go sleeve…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 07:31 AM
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Me: asking a question. You: here is my question, oh you haven't answered that, therefore you're not interested in my answer. Dude, everyone sees how you're trying to squeeze yourself out of the dead-end you put yourself into. Your mad dances pretending to be logic - would not save you. You simply have nothing to say and you know it, and everyone knows it. So cut the act.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 07:24 AM
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Because literally one of the key principles in all of this is "be yourself" right? What they actually mean is "be the version of yourself that I will like".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 07:21 AM
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Men should tell men to dress better. Define "dress better". This kind of advice is akin to "you must get a better job", "you must make more money", "you must get better at reading social cues", etc. Well, nobody argues that better and more is... better. But how do we get there? What is "dress better"? "Dress more expensive"? But a lot of expensive outfits look like something right out of the circus. Do you want a party to look like a freakin' circus? You would do better giving specific advice, i…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 07:19 AM
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As someone who invests plenty of time in his body, I'd really appreciate something like "you've got some muscle, are you working out?" from girls. But I only get that from guys...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 05:06 PM
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The thing is most people are in relationships, so female attention is evenly distributed Majority of relationships happen when a man "convinces" a female to "settle" for him, offering resources and opportunities as compensation for lack of her attraction. If relationships were based on genuine attraction - then females would not expect man courting and caring and investing in them. Like they don't expect those things from f-boyz (they WANT these things, but have sex with them even when these thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 02:42 PM
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It is the definition of hateful. You are labeling a bunch of random people, most of whom you never met - with a negative word, that has a shaming and derogating meaning to it. You assumed that men who don't have sex (the definition of involuntary celibate) - hate women, and shamed them for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 02:37 PM
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I suggested a possible context in which Iyour argument would make sense. You can share your own view. But it looks like I caught you off-guard with my question.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 02:35 PM
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Why not, though? For example, I also respect the right of specific woman to be child-free. But if significant proportion of women decide to not give birth, then obviously birth rates decline and society is in trouble, because there will be not enough young people to support the aging population. Also, if this trend stays long-term, then society will simply die out, unless it is compensated by immigrants, which in itself brings whole set of issues and controversies... So it makes sense to conside…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 02:22 PM
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The only information they have is looks so they don't even give the man a chance to show his personality, which means... they don't really care about it. If they did care, they would swipe right much more and give average Joe a chance to show his personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 12:10 PM
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What is "minimum looks threshold", though? I will date him if he takes care of me like a princess, is loyal to me, gives me his undivided attention when I need it, and let's me fool around with other dudes and/or ladies when I feel like it? Yep, most men meet that threshold.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 12:08 PM
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Looks get you through the door, personality/behavior let's you stay in. The better you look - the more mistakes she will tolerate. The worse you look - the more you will need to offer as compensation (it's not just about money BTW).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 12:06 PM
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Calling a bunch of random people misogynists is not hateful?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 09:55 AM
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Sure, make a teenager following the guidelines imposed upon him by the grown-ups promising he won't regret it - responsible for his decisions. One thing you are missing out - is that women's sexual market value peaks at a young age, while for males it happens later in life. So average girl enjoys higher romantic and sexual optionality, than average dude, who wouldn't be able to have much "fun" with opposite sex, unless he's extremely hot and popular (stereotypical quarterback). Boys get this opt…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 09:44 AM
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If you were right and women chose men who are more like them, wouldn't it make sense that female attraction would be evenly distributed among man? Because every man is different, and for every man there would be a subset of women attracted to e the traits that make him special. Yet, in the real world we observe 80/20 rule, majority of women attracted to the minority of men. How do you explain it?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 09:30 AM
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You're making a generalization. How does it make you different from the "incel shit"? Different color, same smell.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 07:28 AM
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How do you define "respect the right to reject"? I consider myself incel-ish, I'm really digging evolutionary psychology and Red Pill stuff that is closer to science (not the Andrew Tate stuff, more like Orion Taraban / Chris Williamson stuff), because it helps make sense of so many things. I think individual women have every right to reject whomever they want, and do hookups if they want, and have OF if they want so. But if we look at these things happening en-masse, it can have detrimental con…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 07:26 AM
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I also think a lot of men and women are choosing to opt out after calculating that there are diminishing returns to the effort. It’s easier to prioritize other things. Your argument is essentially "People want some healthy food, come to a shop, see that the only available foods are all expired or junk, and opt out to look elsewhere. Therefore, they were not hungry in the first place".
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 07:19 AM
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It's rational if you consciously choose to buy IPhone in order to fit it, because Apple is extremely good at indoctrinating their clientele with brilliant marketing. But ask people if they are buying IPhones to fit in - they would get offended, and start rationalizing their choices. When you debunk their arguements - they will attack you personally, that you just too stupid to understand it, or you live in Middle Ages with grandma's phone, or are a loser who can't afford the good stuff, etc. Tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 09:48 AM
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So many men are redpilled, gonna treat you like it's the 1950s Looks like you didn't care to learn what exactly is "red pill", but that is fine. 9 out of 10 women don't. Just so you know, lesbian couples have divorce rate even higher than man-woman couples, so obviously having no men in the alliance is not working well for you. Women dating women - report "Now we understand heterosexual men / red pill" at enormous rate. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4E8qEDi_xg So, as a red-pill guy, I think w…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 07:16 AM
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There are plenty of lovely women who never make it like Taylor Swift made it. Stop dismissing her talent and her business acumen. Well, it's you who brought her into the conversation and started diminishing Trump. And now you're accusing me of misogyny. When you started this whole discourse. How nice. Why are we even discussing her? She's not a dude, so she's out of scope of this topic. It's not about how girls can score a hot guy, it's about what men need to be to attract women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 04:44 PM
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Well, men don't demand you have to agree with them just because they are men. But it seems that many women here expect that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 03:32 PM
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Trump is rich because his daddy made him rich, not because he did anything special. It took him ten more years than Taylor Swift to become a billionaire and she started with nothing, while he started with almost half a billion dollars. If he just put his money in an index fund and never touched it he'd have far more than he has right now. Remind me, how many years it took Taylor Swift to become President of the (arguably) most powerful country in the world? Besides, Taylor Swift has pretty prive…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 02:44 PM
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She's a woman, therefore you have to agree with all of her points. That's the problem with modern women. There is only their truth, and everything else is BS. When anyone calls them out - instead of arguing like a sane educated person, they just make a scene, like a child would when they don't get the toy they wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 02:41 PM
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Except women werent attracted to Andrew Tate and Donald Trump How can you possibly know that?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 02:39 PM
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Humans make irrational decisions all the time. Heck, buying IPhones every year is irrational, but who cares? Everyone does it, so should you, if you don't want to be left behind and labeled a loser.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 12:10 PM
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Charisma is important not because social people are somehow safer than introverts. But because 1) charisma means you can trigger her emotions through conversation, and women like experiencing emotions, like cats like milk. 2) charisma is correlated with confidence, and confidence is a proxy for being successful and having high position in social hierarchy, which makes you a good potential protector and provider. No one messes with the chief's girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 12:07 PM
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Well, check what % of guys on apps are considered "below average" by women. How come more than half of men are Hunchbacks?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 11:33 AM
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Nah. Women are attracted to confidence and alpha behavior/vibe. Assholes are normally very confident and arrogant, and female attraction mechanisms get triggered, assuming "if he can get away with doing that stuff, he must be very powerful and have a high position in hierarchy, therefore he can secure my future and my safety, become my protector and provider". It has been proven that dark triad traits are attractive to women, no matter the money or looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 11:31 AM
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Personally, I'm reading this sub for well-thought comments like this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 10:44 AM
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Well, it depends. In a competitive environment, being overly nice means you will be losing all the time. Sometimes you have to stand your ground, and that means not being nice. Also, "nice guys finish last" didn't come from nowhere. It is based on experience. The guy tried being nice, and it didn't get him anywhere (with women), so he asked himself -WTF? And started learning how the game actually runs. That's how Red Pill was born. When you know what works and what doesn't - if you feel like it,…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 07:31 PM
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No, it's about intimacy. Intimacy is a shared thing. I can't share it with someone who also shares it with millions of viewers. It stops being something special and sacred, that only the two of you share, and it makes your bond stronger and deeper. It turns into... a product, for mass entertainment, and you become "one of the masses who gets a piece of her uncovered beauty and sexuality, to do with it as you please". Personally, I wouldn't be able to have anything serious with a person who makes…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 02:26 PM
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Dependable and responsible and compassionate - are just buzzwords until you explain in practical terms, what they mean specifically for YOU. Dependable - how? As in - you spend time doing nails and making bikini photos for Instagram, while you depend on him to pay for your lifestyle, therefore he is DEPENDABLE? We don't know what those words mean for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 11:02 AM
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if intimacy is a toy to you - then yes, your description is accurate
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 10:25 AM
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Therefore to become more attractive, you shouldn't be nice. Because being nice doesn't make you attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 10:19 AM
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So when you say "I like nice guys", we assume it means "I am attracted to guys when they are nice", but what you mean is "I like when the guy I am attracted to - is nice". You're telling us how you want an attractive guy to treat you, when we're asking what makes you attracted to him in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 10:17 AM
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How do you know whom they date? Maybe there are some sides of their personal lives they don't want visible to public.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 09:55 AM
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I love nice guys. My partner is a nice guy. I'm not interested in men pretending to be nice or my friend with the hopes that I'll have sex with him or something. That's not a nice guy. So how did he get sex from you, if he didn't do anything in the hope to get it? Why did he choose him out of all the nice guys? Maybe he's not jus a nice guy, but a hawt popular respected nice guy with a sexy voice?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 06:57 PM
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That sounds fair. But imagine what happens if "every dating preference is valid" turns into "90% women only consider 10% top men valid enough to date, and they'd rather share those top men or stay single, then give a chance to the remaining 90% men". Can you imagine the consequences? Anyway, it's fair to have preferences, but if those preferences result in you being unhappy, and it is true for a great proportion of people, then we have a social and cultural problem. It is not about "personal pre…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 06:36 PM
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It's not about obligations, it's about understanding the nature of attraction and making women admit they aren't attracted to "nice guys".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 04:48 PM
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What type of modern woman doesn't match that description, though?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 04:47 PM
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When I call it that I am referring to stuff like the Rational Male by Rollo Tomassi and the influence it had. Can you elaborate, what exactly is misogynist about him? I'm not familiar, so educate me. I want to understand your position, where is it coming from. This topic has been discussed to death in this sub I don't care, I don't spend 24/7 reading everything here. This is a conversation between the two of us. You claim some things that are weird to me, so I'm asking you what is your ground fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 08:05 AM
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Saying redpill is misogynist only shows you have no idea what actually is 'redpill'. Let me guess, you also think that Andrew Tate represents the core of redpill? There is little to nothing in actual redpill that is misogynist by itself. Like, saying that majority of women are attracted minority of men - how is that misogyny?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 12:10 PM
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I'm very curious to learn how you measured the damage done by "red pill". What is your methodology?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 12:08 PM
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I'm not saying about you specifically, I'm talking about women in general, from observations and talking to other men who have their obsevations. You could be unique exception, but all "nice guys" can't date you alone. And most girls, based on observations - are what I described. And many other guys can attest to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 07:36 AM
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I think ",women don't know what they want" is based on women saying they want specific things in men, and giving advice based on that, but in practice they prefer guys possessing a different set of traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 12:44 PM
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Wouldn't you agree that if a man followed generic advice (was a good boy, went to gym) and didn't get the promised results, it means the advice wasn't really good? I think it is totally fine to be frustrated, if you wasted a lot of time and resources on a bad advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 09:41 AM
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Don't you notice a flaw on your logic? You say woman loves her man for who he is. And man loves sex. So she loves the man with his craving of sex. But then she judges him for craving sex, and wants him to forsake it. Doesn't it mean she doesn't really love him for who he is? Desire for sex is part of him, so either she loves this part of him too, or she doesn't really love and accept him in his fullness.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 02:19 PM
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They're also invisible to me and probably other guys, how are we supposed to find these great guys if they're always hiding? They are not hiding, but sexual mate identification system does not catch them. They are wallpaper. Like in the joke: Man: - What do you think of that guy? Girl: - Which guy? There is no one behind the postman. Man: - The postman is the guy. Talking about being dressed in nice clothes, not quite a suit but a couple steps below that How do you define "nice clothes"? not ove…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 10:44 AM
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They are not slaves. First - they have lots of other options, but they choose OF because it has the highest reward versus effort ratio. Slaves by definition do not choose, their "choice" is obey your master or suffer / die. OF girls can go get a degree, or work as hostess, or marry a rich simp, their options are endless. None of those options is actual physical suffering. Second - the "pay per minute" part makes them not-slaves by definition. Slaves get absolute necessities as "reward" for their…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 10:34 AM
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Nah good sex isn’t hard to resist. I’m not an animal. I have higher brain functions. Only because you're a woman and can find good sex easily. For now. Wait till you can't anymore, you'll see how it changes your perspective. Why go to a party without my SO? Because they’re busy? Out of town? Not in the mods to party? Life doesn’t stand still because your SO isn’t involved. No, we're talking about scenario where you specifically don't want them to go, even if they expressed interest. You want to …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 04:41 PM
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I was referring to doing the most freaky shi I could think of in secret with robotic/ai assistance as a way to explore erotic fantasies in a safe way Not sure what kind of fantasies you mean, but if we're talking something along BDSM and conensual-non-consensual, then it might be hard to explain to AI what you need from them. There has to be element of danger and losing control, and pretending like it's real (otherwise it won't feel real), but the person in control needs to feel how far to take …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 04:35 PM
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I'm not placing them as equal, I'm saying something is up because I have never seen IRL guys with a good job (average or better income for the area), no criminal record, decently dressed, decent personality, and decently in shape get 0 interest in women. Of course you didn't see them. And do you know why? Because such guys are INVISIBLE to women. Period. Although I guess we don't know what exactly you mean by "decently dressed, decent personality, and decently in shape". Maybe your standard of d…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 03:24 PM
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The guys at Whatever podcast do this test, when they ask girls who claim their male friends are "jus' friends" and don't have any sexual urges toward them - to text those friends something flirty and suggestive. Most girls refuse, because deep down they know "jus' friends" can super easily turn into FWB. Check this one, when one girl agreed to do the "test" and how it played out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb1RRa4nddY It tells you everything you need to know about the subject, really.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 02:55 PM
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That’s a wild comparison lol. Insinuating there’s some sort of addiction component here? Weird as hell Well, humans are addicted to dopamine and oxytocine. And good sex. Very hard to resist. Idk dude maybe because they’re friends?? Maybe there was a party and it’s safer/easier to sleep on a spare room? Maybe the friend lives far away. Okay, why do you specifically want to go to a party without your SO? God forbid you go camping with opposite sex friends too right? If we're going as a couple - no…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 02:50 PM
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Not making space when they enter, and being attracted to someone - are two very different things, I'm not sure why you are placing them as equal. Incels are not some smelly crooked monsters that people run away from. They're more like... average. Dull. Boring. Too normal, too polite. Don't you think when significant portion of people start dating out of their league, it creates problems on societal level? Shouldn't society be worried if such problems appear? Should society just say "Hey, do what…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 12:06 PM
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Oh, so your opinion is based on memes, not actual data. You should have started with it. I'm not interested in conversing with people who have no real argument, just personal attacks. I gave you enough real arguments. If you don't possess mental capacity to collect the pieces together and make conclusions - well, I can only bid you good luck in your Pink Pony Land.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 11:58 AM
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Well, western civilization is already collapsing and being consumed by other civilizations from within. Western people are not procreating, whether by choice or because they couldn't find anyone to mate with. Immigrants and refugees coming from all over the world, bringing their traditions and culture and way of living, that is - surprise - very fat from "progressive". They are successfully procreating and soon they will be the majority. I shouldn't probably tell you how many of them choose to l…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 10:34 AM
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Depends on the country. Where I live, you can barely walk 3 minutes without smelling someone's fumes. Walk by any coffee shop or office building? You will see at least a dozen smokers.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 10:27 AM
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Sounds like you have confirmation bias, my friend. Is there any statistics at all that would ever convince you there is a dating crisis like nothing humanity faced before? Or are you just hiding your head in the sand?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 10:13 AM
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Okay, then how do you explain plenty of guys going to gym, having good jobs but still are not attractive to women? WDYM it's up to them to decide, the whole thread is about settling for a partner in your league. If you're the one deciding what is "your league", that just nullifies OP's message. Everyone can decide to go for the "top league", and you basically say there's nothing wrong with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 10:08 AM
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Do you trust a your brother or father who is ex-alcoholic to go to a liquor store? The real question is - why does he need to go there? Why does your SO need to spent a night at their friend"s house - without you? Does it mean you're not enough for them? Does it mean you can also spend a night at your opposite sex friend's house?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 10:02 AM
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The trick is, most men crave warmth and kindness from a woman, and can't get it. So when some woman is just kind and friendly with them - they risk getting attached and falling for her. I believe intersexual friendship only when both sides have their romantic and sexual needs satisfied elsewhere, and have zero desire for each other. It's also possible between old friends - familiarity has been proven to kill sexual desire. Not sure if you heard, but people who grew up in the same house as kids -…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 09:49 AM
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OF girls are not slaves. If anything, their simps are their slaves.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 09:27 AM
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Don't think so. For women, romance is more of emotional experience happening in their head. Will they be able to have a satisfying experience, when they know it's not real? That remains to be seen.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 09:26 AM
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The average woman is chubby, but so is the average man and both usually have a job. So if the guy is going to the gym and keeping fit and has a good job, does it make him "above average"? Or does his height and face still matter more? What kind of girl would be his fair equivalent? (asking for a friend)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 07:41 AM
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Relationship satisfaction surveys show that most people in them are happy. What surveys? there’s no evidence suggest anything close to a majority of relationships are unhappy. Crazy divorce rates? Cheating statistics? (although the latter is hard to estimate, but even the numbers we have are crazy). Dead bedrooms? Nah, no evidence at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 07:38 AM
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If only "partnered" was another word for "happily engaged to the best person in the world who they're in love with and who love them".
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 07:37 AM
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Stop rejecting the fat girls, you might think their not in your league but I'm sorry to tell you if your not getting matches on line or your getting rejected in person that's probably because your shooting out of your league. Where are those fat girls you're talking about? ...oh, they're standing in line for Chad, waiting to get a piece of him... A piece of Chad >> Full-size normie, even for a "fat girl"
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 07:29 AM
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60% of molecular biologists are women Well, it's really hard to estimate which part of it came from DEI quotas... If you're arguing that women and men have different ways of thinking and relating to their emotions - you need to simply go to a place where men and women socialize, sit in the dark corner, and observe. Sure, there will be some outliers (highly emotional men, and highly logical cold women). But you will have to try really really hard to ignore the overall trend. And it's not like one…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 08:42 AM
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I'm sorry you feel that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 08:35 AM
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And this is what makes approaching women difficult. Women expect men to guess not just their unique set of rules, but also their current mood and which set of rules is activated at this point. Also, women apply different rules to different guys, so they expect you to also guess what category of guys she writes you into. Is there any surprise that the only guys who have measurable and predictable success with women - are the guys fitting the special category "I just want him, screw all the rules"…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 04:56 PM
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The very idea that dating is consuming energy - kind of proves my point, if you think about it. If you truly thought men were not evil, but nice - you would not think of dating as exhausting. To be fair, there are plenty of evil men out there that make dating exhausting. But I think at least part of it is - that communication became too much of a chore, and we have much more rewarding and accessible alternatives.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 04:40 PM
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Sure. But as humans we have advantage of thinking, and if we're on the way to possible collapse, maybe we should do something about it. Talking about it and figuring out solutions - is also sort of adaptation. Currently we observe the "progressive" Western civilization shrinking and being overran by more "traditional" civilizations of the East, with refugees from Middle East and Africa coming to the US and Europe and successfully multiplying in numbers, while western civilization is suffering fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 12:00 PM
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I am telling you that you can't derive success strategy from this story. If anything, the girl liked him so much that she stayed to give him a second chance DESPITE the fact he neglected her. But why did she like him in the first place? That's the question!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 11:35 AM
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Kind of, yes. So we can argue that sexual selection of the hottest - can go against natural selection of the fittest. When it happens - the species risks extinction.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 11:34 AM
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Sure, but if you speak in terms of optimizing for survivability - then peacock feathers are a very very sub-optimal choice. It's like human women would start preferring one-eyed men, because if they were able to survive with just one eye, they must be super survivalist. And in a few generations we have the majority of men missing an eye, because only such men were chosen to mate. There is some species of deer that got extinct mostly because their sexual selection was based on the size of antlers…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 11:30 AM
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Unfortunately I have to agree with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 10:34 AM
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Natural selection is not just about survival of the fittest. It's also about survival of the sexiest, which means most attractive to opposite sex and most likely to find healthy mates and produce a lot of healthy offsprings. Peacocks feathers are stereotypical example: they don't promote survivability and even hurt it, and yet they do exist. Survival is not much of a problem in modern world, so selection is based on sexual preference. Read about the sexy sun hypothesis.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 10:33 AM
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The guy lasts 2 rounds max with this specific woman. Coolidge effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 10:09 AM
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Define human relationships that women presumably want. Then look at what those women are picking in real life, and you'll probably see that they want human relationships only with a man that matches their criteria. Criteria come first. If they're lucky enough to land a man matching them, then ideally they will want a full committed relationship with him. Criteria include but are not limited to: looks, height, money, exclusive access, status, sexual vigor, sense of humor, ability to entertain and…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 10:06 AM
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There are male and female versions of storytelling. Men explain the facts and how they are related to each other, it's A -> ergo B -> ergo C .... Women focus on their emotions about the facts, and the surrounding context. That's why focus on why it fucking matters ergo why do you FEEL it matters. Men are more solution-oriented and action-driven, women are more about descriptions and minor details that create atmosphere. You can see that by checking what kind of books and movies and genres men an…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 07:03 AM
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"the most attractive" and "I wouldn’t date" in a single sentence - is all you need to know to understand that women cannot be understood.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 06:59 AM
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Look at Stephen Colbert’s story of how he met his wife. He saw her at a party. He thought she was beautiful. He talked to her. They chatted for a while and discovered that they really got along. Then he turned to speak to someone else (a man) at the party, giving her the opportunity to get away if she had just been being nice. ...and most women would think the men wasn't interested and is neglecting them and be offended and go away even if they were interested. Let's just admit that women use di…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 06:57 AM
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Dating is also just not a priority for me I think that's the core reason. Women are just opting out of dating, it used to be a necessity - now it is more like entertainment, way to boost their confidence, and there are many other ways to entertainment yourself and boost confidence. Even more, men are nowadays labeled as something enherently evil and flawed, and why would "perfect goddesses" alienate themselves with someone like that?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 06:52 AM
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I would argue the opposite. I can't control WHEN OR WHERE I ovulate. Sure, but ovulation does not make you pregnant. Pregnancy is not something that "jus happens" to your body without you having anything to do with it. Let's compare 2 scenarios. #1. A guy wants a baby with you, but you don't want a baby. What will be the outcome? Let's assume he's not a rapist who will ejaculate into you without any protection against your will. You have a final say whether it happes or not. And you also have co…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 08:06 AM
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Let’s be real for a second - how often do you see a ‘chad’? And I guess to be clear - I’m not saying “attractive successful guys who get lots of women don’t exist” - but what I am saying is that the idealized image of what a chad is is more imagination than reality. Chad is attractive guy who get lots of women. It's his definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 07:02 PM
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Until you understand that sex is not something you give but share you aren't mature enough to have it. I can agree with that. But doesn't it mean that responsibility should be shared, too? However, wouldn't you agree that just out of physiological reasons - women have more control over getting pregnant? Like, two people driving in a car - they are sharing the ride, but one is in control of the car, so they have more responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 07:00 PM
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All men realize that they will end up settling because their desires are inherently unrealistic. Men arent going to end up with the sexy only fans models they follow that are 10yrs younger than them. Sure, whoever has ever watched men and women swipe on dating apps - knows that men only like "sexy only fans models they follow that are 10yrs younger than them", while women swipe right on 2 out of 3 men. True story. This sparks fear in men's mind that perhaps women settle for them too. Maybe women…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 06:51 PM
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However it's not the f-boy giving it away for free. It's the girl. For better or for worse, the sexual marketplace situation is that when it comes to sex, men are pursuing women and not otherwise. So, the girl gave something of value to f-boy for free, but she expects the guy who she sees as husband - to wait and pay more. In plain terms - she is ripping him off. Of course a man would be sad if he found out that you made him overpay x10 times.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 03:23 PM
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Women typically love it when you praise their body and let them know you find them sexy. Of course, if they're not into you, it will not lead to anything. You can be called a creep and accused of harrasment. Maybe even be featured in her tiktok video about toxic males. Presumably if she's already agreed to meet with you, then she's into you on some level. I thought introverted guys have a problem with getting girls to meet them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 02:56 PM
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Being a good conversationalist. Well, if you put it like that - a good conversationalist is what you consider a "good conversationalist". And that can be anything. Complimenting / praising their style, appearance, or other positive attributes Proven by hundreds of thousands of dudes - if she doesn't like you, compliments will not make you more likeable. If she likes you - she already likes you, whether you say compliments or not. Of course she would prefer that you say compliments, but you've al…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 02:46 PM
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What if it's an ugly balding professor with crooked teeth explaining molecular biology? Still the hottest thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 12:38 PM
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Well, since you brought up the issue, maybe you can give some examples of how a reserved introvert can appear charming?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 12:35 PM
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Well, maybe read David Buss and listen to his interviews before making such accusations? Resorting to personal insults just shows the weakness of your argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 12:13 PM
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Any sex is "casual" until you're married. Even in exclusive relationship, you got to start having sex at some point before it becomes exclusive. And while you're doing it, it is casual. Women share the same responsibility, if not more. After all, it's them who can get pregnant. If a guy doesn't want a kid and the girl does - she will find a way to make it happen. A girl should not blame a guy that he "made her pregnant". She was the consenting part of it, she understood the risks.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 12:09 PM
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Men have Coolidge effect which means any girl can get a chance with any dude just because she is new to him. Check out Hugh Grant cheating on Elizabeth Hurley with a hooker. Hurley is probably a 9 or 10 in terms of looks by most men standards. And yet...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 12:07 PM
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Haven't you seen that graph from Washington Post that shows 28% guys under 30 are having no sex? Google "Americans are having less sex".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 11:59 AM
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Good luck trying to court a lady who doesn't find you hot enough. Whatever way to meet them you choose. At some point you will escalate to physical intimacy, and that's where she tells you how she really sees you. But you can still buy her a dinner. Like a true friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 11:54 AM
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If beauty is subjective, why are 90% women only liking the same 5% guys on Tinder? What kind of subjective is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 11:31 AM
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More like society becoming woman-centric and giving women more opportunities and never holding them accountable if those opportunities are abused
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 11:30 AM
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Physical attraction can be measured... physically. It can also be measured by showing photos to random people and summarizing the results (dating apps and social networks are perfect places to gather this data). When it comes to autism, I think a lot of guys would date autistic, narcissistic, bipolar and whatever girl as long as she is hot. Trust me, I've heard stories of girls cutting themselves in front of their boyfriends and talking about killing themselves, and the boyfriends continued to p…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 11:25 AM
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Evolutionary psychology proved again and again that female mating choice is hypergamous. With access to the best guys in the world via online and with growing income and power women have, of course they will find majority of men below their threshold and unattractive. It might be subjective, but 100 girls can subjectively pick the same guy, and it is still their subjective choice. This is why "conventionally attractive" is a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 11:04 AM
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What if I don't like that person, though?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 11:02 AM
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Just block this person, they are obviously rage-baiting you. Your point makes total sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 11:01 AM
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Are you repulsed by anyone you're not attracted to? There is no in-between? Like, I wouldn't f*ck this person, but I can talk to them and hang around without any issue
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 10:49 AM
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There were experiments on toddlers. Their gaze stays at beautiful faces longer. Which proves the idea of beauty is engrained in our DNA. It is not subjective. Heck, how can most women finding 80% of men below average - be subjective? It is quantifiable and repeatable. Subjective means random (I like beards, you don't). If 90% of us prefers beards - it is not subjective anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 10:38 AM
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If you show 1000 guys to 1000 girls, you will not see all of them successfully pairing with no one left alone. Most women will go after the minority of men and only settle for less if they are offered significant compensation (which defies the idea of genuine attraction). Most men will go after the woman they can get.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 10:36 AM
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But people are not numbers, and attraction is not division. Unlike math - there is no rule or argument that says any person should have a "second half" that they will be mutually attracted to. It's just a romantic idea that sells well.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 10:32 AM
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But most marriages fall apart, which means "marriage" of itself is not proof of happy relationship and even less so of genuine attraction. Women get into relationships for a variety of reasons. If a woman has a modicum of brain, she will realize at some point she can't get the relationship she wants with a man that she wants. So she needs to sacrifice something. Statistics and observations show beyond reasonable doubt that more and more guys are less and less attractive to women. And it is harde…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 09:56 AM
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depends on how you define "get" Does it mean genuine attraction? Marriage? Sponsorship? Going on a date?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 09:37 AM
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If kindness and personality is more important to women then looks, why do women use 6ft height filter on dating apps? Is height saying something about personality? Tall guys are kinder? How does it work?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 09:35 AM
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abuse of Tinder height filter proves how important it is to women, so much that they will discard 90% of guys solely because of it
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 09:33 AM
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So you basically agree that men like different women, but women mostly are similar in preferences and go after the same top % men
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 09:17 AM
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Okay, so what should men do if they want to have sex (normal healthy desire BTW), but feel not ready to have kids just now? What can they do, short of having no sex, which is a radical solution like those feminists who think killing all men - is a solution to toxic masculinity. Suppose he wants to use a condom - she says she has allergy to latex and is on birth control anyway. Next steps?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 07:19 AM
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She could refuse to have sex if he didn't wear a condom. I mean, how drunk do you have to be to not notice if a guy is using protection or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 07:16 AM
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But those women did choose to have kids with that guy, at some point. Ultimately, it's woman's decision whether to have a kid or not. She decides if she uses contraception or not, she decides if she has sex with the guy who doesn't want to use a condom, she decides if to terminate her pregnancy or not. Man can't really force her, and if he tries it's basically breaking the law. I doubt the man was a perfect knight in shining armor before the kid, and changed his attitude at 180 degrees immediate…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 04:34 PM
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Again - what is? If you label "red pill" on anything you don't like, and then call it load of crap... You're just being hateful. If you call specific views "load of crap" (like, "female hypergamy is a load of crap") - then you need to provide some arguments or evidence proving your point. Especially since things like female hypergamy have been illustrated and proven thousands of times. Running around screamin' "It's all bullcrap" - is a childish tantrum, nothing more. But hey, maybe you are a ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 02:03 PM
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They really are. I dated couple of them. Highly recommended.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 09:15 AM
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I think it's because you are considering "red pill" lots of men talking about attraction and relationships from different positions. Of course there will be contradictions. But maybe the problem is there is no "true" red pill, so you can call anyone "red pill".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 09:14 AM
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It's not that I know what to do to become a billionaire and I don't do it out of being scared of inexistent consequences. I literally don't know. But you know. Just earn a lot of money. You know how to earn money, right? Start a business. Heck, read a book about starting a business. Go to some classes if you need. Same way as a person who doesn't know how to do backflips - can go to acrobatics classes, or watch some YT, or ask someone who can. But that's essentially the idea of limitations. You …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 01:47 PM
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Read a biography of some billionaire, everything is there. It's easy-cheesy, just like doing a backflip when you are 80 year old grandma. Just have confidence and believe in yourself. The limits of your intellectual and physical abilities - are only in your mind, once you have confidence there are no limits. That's what you were trying to prove, anyway. If you think really hard about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 07:27 AM
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Nah, many people did it so you can too. Intellectually and physically they weren't superior to you. You're just rationalizing your lack of confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 06:39 PM
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So you think everyone can build happy relationship with anyone? How about childfree woman with a man who wants kids? Or a religious woman with some punk? Or a feminist with patriarchical man who wants to dominate in relationship?
/r/seduction12/08/25 06:30 PM
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Most people can be billionaires, the limits are only in your head, and any counter argument is just your rationalization and giving it to your fear. You're not a billionaire? The you're just a weak loser scared of his own shadow. How do you like the taste of your medicine now?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 12:20 PM
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what if they didn't meet the right person?
/r/seduction12/08/25 11:47 AM
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I think younger girls just don't understand themselves very well, their feelings, that's why they are sending mixed signals. Her attitude can change in a minute from "he's hot" to "he's ugly" to "he's scary" to "he's scary hot"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 10:20 AM
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somebody was watching hoe_math 😁
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 10:05 AM
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Generally it's a bad idea, but you can start with discussing transactional nature of relationships and sexual market value. Still a bad idea, though. Maybe send her one of psychacks videos and see how she responds. Although I once had a girl send me hoe_math relationship zones video (just a friend, we weren't romantically involved).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 09:50 AM
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This contradicts the basics of scientific approach. Let's treat every country as unique set of laws of physics, instead of assuming gravity works the same way in Austria and in Australia. Imagine planes falling out of the sky once they cross border of Canada, because aerodynamics doesn't work there. Because every country is individual, and you shouldn't generalize. Well, if every person is so unique then how come we have medicine and universal treatments and pills and also sciences like sociolog…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 11:39 AM
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TRY HARDER!!! sarcasm
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 09:51 AM
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I can tell about myself - I have a senior job in IT, I spend 12-15 hours in gym every week, I visit cosmetologist, I paid a pro stylist to make sense of my clothes and a pro photographer to make quality photos for dating apps. What else am I supposed to do to improve my likeability? I am 5'7" and that basically kills everything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 09:37 AM
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I think it's "low risk - low reward" vs "high risk - high reward" approach. The guy who plays his game via friendlyness and taking things slow - has lower rate or rejetion, because there is nothing to reject. He doesn't request anything from the girl, he's available when she needs him and goes away when she doesn't, he's trying to be convenient. He just tags along, so unless he's doing something creepy - why would she reject him? But low risk leads to low reward - she won't give you what you wan…
/r/seduction28/07/25 03:34 PM
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Andrew Tate even talks about So he's your guru or something? Men show off women to other men all the time and worry if their boys think their woman is hot or not. They can show off whoever they want, but in the end they f*ck whoever they want to f*ck. Doesn't matter what the boys think. I don't need your approval to find some girl I like - hot. I don't even care what you think about her.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 08:19 PM
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She’s been harassed, stalked, groped, stared at, and approached by weirdos her whole life So when you approach, she automatically assumes you are one of those weirdos (unless you are insanely hot) and you have to spend the first interactions literally proving you're not a weirdo. It's presumed guilty unless you can prove otherwise, and proving can be very hard. Slip up once - and weeks of hard labour get flushed to toilet.
/r/seduction27/07/25 08:15 PM
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Already happening https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otuKYRlHwWU
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 08:12 PM
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If women only want to date top 20% of men - then no matter how hard the guys try, 80% would always be left out. You can try to rise in ranks and become one of those 20% - but your win is someone else's loss. So on societal level, men can't really solve this problem by taking responsibility. They are fighting for a scarce resource, there is simply not enough for everyone to go around. But maybe that's how it should be? Survival of the hottest, you know))
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 08:10 PM
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We're shocked not that it is happening, but that women are in denial it is happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 08:04 PM
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Where did I say anything about numbers game? Lady, looks like you're projecting some of your personal issues onto me. I think you should show this thread to your therapist and work through it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 07:45 PM
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Question to you: how does marriage benefit the good men, in your opinion? Traditionally and legally, the idea of marriage is "taking responsibility for the woman". What does a man gain by taking that responsibility?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 04:53 PM
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I was not speaking about that. I spoke about before you even actually interact with someone. I was speaking about every informations an individual carries about themselves that you can see from afar... Like what? Any examples? Imagine a cute guy is walking past in a shopping mall, please describe how you analyze him and make informed judgement of his intelligence based on those 5 seconds you watch him. it's cool we know about the halo effect but let's not pretend it works like that. It deviates …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 11:42 AM
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Yep, halo effect shows we find attractive people smarter. But it's just projection. An illusion. A man thinks a girl is interesting and smart not because he "sees" she is smart, but because she's attractive / cute / sexy, and his brain does a mental trick where she also seem smart. It's his brain's way of telling him "That's some fine reproductive opportunity, don't miss it!"
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 07:57 AM
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But they are sleazy Not all of them. Probably not even the majority. Just the ones you hate the most. Nothing in pickup theory says "you have to be sleazy".
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 07:55 AM
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Pets have personalities Oh dear...
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 07:54 AM
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"Learning more" meaning wanting to know more about who she is and her values and morals and if she is compatible as a partner. Her favorite color and where she got her tank top are, again, just superficial bullshit. There are thousands of women walking around. How do you think men should pick which of them to invest into "learning more"? Moreover, how do they pick, if they know nothing about any of those women, other than what they see as the women are walking around? What picks man's interest, …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 07:53 AM
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And you can fake confidence. And you can fake being more social than you are. Explain it. How can you fake being social? It's like faking you can ride a bicycle. You either get on a bike and can ride it, or you don't. You either excel in socializing, or you don't. There is nothing in it that can be faked, because results speak for themselves, and results cannot be faked. Unless you pay a thousand people to pretend they are your friends, or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 07:47 AM
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Could we also consider than men are pushed out of these teaching and nursing roles in favour of women? Perhaps men in these rolls are looked down upon and denied these stable roles? I've heard a lot more male nurse and pedo teacher comments from both men and women than I have keep women out of stem opinions. There is also a factor that men's brains - due to sexual dimorphism - just better fit for solving analytical kind of problems, working with structures, mechanisms, spatial thinking... while …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 07:42 AM
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Playing devil's advocate here, but what they claim in this particular case is that they can see through fake confidence/social skills. What makes you think they are "fake"? If they were acquired by conscious skills and exercises and mentorship, it doesn't make it "fake" compared to those dudes who got it "naturally". In fact, I might have to ask you to clarify what is "fake social skills" and "fake confidence". Because these terms make no sense to me. How can you fake social skills?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 04:00 PM
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So you can see personality where there is none. It means you are just relating to a construct in your own mind, not "seeing a real person". It's okay for you if the person you're dating builds an image of you that might be very far from reality, and then projects that image onto you?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 03:58 PM
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Initial attraction - You can find a women attractive and want to approach her and still not see her as an object and have the intention of learning more. "Learning more" of what? What is her favorite color? Where she bought her tank top? You really believe men would go through the effort and risk of being rejected out of sheer curiosity? Looks like you have no slightest clue what being a "man" means... Neither of these points negate that the majority of women don't want to be viewed as sex objec…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 03:52 PM
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Pickup is not about "sleazy behavior". It's about seducing a woman, invoking in her attraction and desire. But not every guy who can seduce a woman - is a PUA. And in most cases women can't track they are being seduced (when done properly)... they just feel attraction, that's it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 03:45 PM
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...so women aren't allowed to fuck men they wouldn't bring home to mom, but men can fuck trashy women? I didn't say that. Everyone is allowed to f*ck whomever they want. On the contrary, I firmly believe that women desire men whom they can't show their mom - much more, than the "Bryan from your class is so cute, you would look so good together!" types. The bad boy magic attraction thing. You're going to have to accept the fact that women like sex too. Sure they do, but when we start going deeper…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 03:37 PM
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Maybe not right now, but at some point it could be ex-convict, or some troublemaker at school / college, or a biker, a gang member, some charlatan they met during summer vacation, you get the idea. Someone you find extremely hot, but wouldn't show to your parents. A "bad boy".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 02:23 PM
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No, wrong. Wolf has visible clearly identifiable traits. You don't need intuition to distinguish a wolf from a sheep or a fire-hose. Identifying PUA is about "feeling their true nature and intentions" 9according to women). From the outside, PUA look and behave like any other man. Well, they're better than average at social skills, but not everyone who has good social skills - is a PUA, so it can't be considered a criteria. And it is also not visible, you can't really measure persons "social skil…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 02:19 PM
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You know what action you can take to show you view someone as a person? You talk to them and have a connection beyond the physical and/or financial. People talk to their pets. And sometimes to their things, too. Heck, people talk to chatbots and chatGPT all the time. Does it mean they see "personality" and have a connection with it?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 02:16 PM
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Most women don't have an issue with a man finding them attractive. The issue is when you view them as a sex object and not as a whole ass person. Let's explore this concept a little further. The question is - at what stage is this "objectification" happening? Let's take initial attraction / approach. The man doesn't know anything about the girl and her personality, because she's a stranger to him. He was attracted by her beauty, and of course he's not seeing her as a whole person - because how c…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 02:13 PM
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Oddly, I don't know a single woman in my social circle or beyond who's dated an ex convict. Well, when women do - they not rush to tell the world about it. It's just a secret hot new boyfriend with mysterious past. Similarly, they would not tell about their hookups.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 01:43 PM
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So victim blaming all women is OK because some women date convicts? Why are women victims? They chose to date an ex-convict, we're not talking about scenarios where women were forced into that relationship and held there against their will (THAT would constitute a victim). It was their choice, whether conscious or not. It's like making victims out of people who are eating expired food and then complaining their tummy hurts. Like, read the packaging the next time?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 01:39 PM
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Weird, I hear all the time about it, in conversations about PUA. Presumably PUA are "fake" and "women will see through their games in an instant" (which implies intuition).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 01:36 PM
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I’ve been watching a lot of Red Pill content from guys like Myron Gaines and Andrew Tate Maybe try watching someone else? But every time they make this claim, it’s based on interactions with women in places like Miami, L.A., or Dubai Well, my take on it is - these represent the top tier of women (maximum sexual market value), they are the most desirable and can afford doing what they want (aka what women REALLY want). Women who do not have that optionality - have to make do with what's available…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 01:21 PM
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Because it's a gym and the girl is doing her own routines? Go over reddit - whenever the discussion starts "Is it okay to talk to girls at the gym (or even look at them)?" there are dozens of women claiming it's not a place to socialize and you should give them space.
/r/seduction25/07/25 11:46 AM
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It's the guy's fault because he pretended to be "nice" to screw her over))) Bad, bad guy! Tricked an innocent girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 10:49 AM
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Same as men preferences should not be criticized with morality and shamed for falling for hotness, like it's shallow and wrong. People like what they like, sexiness is not related to morality. It can be, for specific person, but it doesn't have to. In fact, "dark triad" makes men more attractive to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 10:46 AM
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At the end of the day though, I think we're applying way too much scientific thinking to something that at the end of the day is a matter of lived human experience and the individual Lived human experience can be studied in a scientific way. After all, humans are very much similar and share many similar experiences. If you're not happy with your experiences and want to understand why and make them more efficient - your best bet is studying how it actually works "under the hood", watching how oth…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 07:12 AM
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Naw, you just have autism. Did I mention my husband is? There are skills you can learn, I can tell you in all honesty my husband, and multitudes of people on the spectrum have learned it's worth learning, because small talk once you get the hang of it makes you feel secure in any relationship. I CAN do it, I just don't enjoy it and therefore not proficient in it. It's like some people enjoy slasher movies, some don't. Why do you need to assign a medical condition to people who do not share your …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 07:35 PM
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Maybe I'm not a human. I don't feel bonded when engaging in small talk. I feel like I'm playing some Guitar Hero, where I have to push the right buttons and say the right words at the right moment, and if I succeed I might get +5 to relationship with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 05:53 PM
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As a partner this is how you get about the day with each other. "How was Jenny's last night? , I had a blast, sucks that Fred's dad died last week though". Are you going to the store today? Maybe with a partner it's easier, when you know about the interests of each other, what things to say and what to keep to yourself, what makes them excited and what makes them sad. But with strangers, I have no idea how to get past "How was your last night? - Uhm, okay, did you need something?" Or when they s…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 05:51 PM
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I like talking about deeper and more sophisticated stuff, then weather or shopping or sorts of alcohol, or other "small-talk" topics. I was hoiping that relationships are where people talk about deeper and interesting stuff, but perhaps not?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 04:16 PM
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I wonder which part makes me "not cut out for a relationship" - the not-watching-porn part, or hating small-talk?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 04:15 PM
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Birth rates are well below replacement in China, Korea, and Japan. But not in the middle East and Africa. That is why islamic cultures are probably gonna take over the world. Interesting to see you call all these places “the western world” so dismissively. Well, Japan and South Korea share much of the "western" values and trends...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 04:11 PM
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Only in the Western world.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 11:09 AM
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Not species... just Western civilization. Eastern and African and other cultures, where patriarchy is strong and there is no masculinity crisis - will take over, we can already see that happening. They reproduce on a larger scale, they come to Western countries and piece by piece take them over. It's survival of the fittest.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 11:09 AM
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You think. Just yesterday a guy said here "why would I make small talk with women, Chat GP is better". The vast majority of men masturbate to porn. I don't masturbate to porn, but small-talk with women as a normie - should be one of the rings of hell.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 11:06 AM
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"My husband/boyfriend can never be like [*certain fic male*] but that's ok, they don't have to. Its unrealistic and men to have their own need and desires" like they are pitying their partner and consoling them for not being better. They're not consoling their partner, they are consoling themselves and looking for ways to justify their settling for a guy who is less-than-perfect. "Well, you're not as good as ... , but I think you're the best I could get... probably... maybe... hopefully... for n…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 11:05 AM
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Okay, I agree that for religious people dating can be entirely different. I'm speaking about average people.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 08:01 AM
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If these two groups went to war against each other in an environment resembling what early humans dealt with (or really any environment), I'm confident that group B would demolish group A and it really wouldn't even be close. Hard to say. Those artsy types can be very passionate and therefore unpredictable and crazy. Nerds are more timid and calm. In a fight, oftentimes the most unhinged and crazy wins (that's why berserks got so much popularity). You got to have the rage, and lack of fear. One …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 07:52 AM
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There are almost as many women attracted to soft artsy prettyboys as those attracted to alpha jocks so that pokes a bit of a hole in that theory. Those "soft artsy prettyboys" are still in great shape physically, and demonstrate high status. They rule, so to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 05:19 PM
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Dude, Tinder is for hookups, not relationships/marriage. Any relationship starts as "hookup". Nobody in their right mind comes to the first date looking for a life-long partner. People just want to meet somebody cool and spend a nice time together and have fun (and I mean "fun" in general, not strictly sexual). They might hope for it to become something long-term, sure, but it's too early to commit at this stage while you're basically nobody to each other. Unless they're religious or something. …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 05:14 PM
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Oh they do. But only with selected males. I guess you've never seen professional male volleyball team walking out of gym sauna shirtless, while mommies are waiting for their kids to finish training. The reactions are priceless. Also see here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aLbnmjaxQc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irukXRDOZwk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFOIbUz0Rdc
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 02:31 PM
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Fair enough, I'll rephrase again: "What can (any) man do to make women more sexually attracted to him?" Or "What kind of men are women crazy about and want them so much they would initiate first and show their interest?"
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 01:59 PM
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Stopped reading at "1. Show other people like it" - looks like OP missed his Evolutionary Psychology class, that explains how pre-selection is a woman thing and not man. Men do NOT find a woman hotter if other men find her hot. It's just that men are hardwired to find "hot" the same things (related to youth and fertility). But if some deviant finds overweight girls with flat chest and square jawbone attractive - all the more power to him, means we will not be competing for the same girls, so wis…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 01:55 PM
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I'll rephrase: "What do women want to be sexually attracted to me?"
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 12:20 PM
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Google "what Chad can get away with on Tinder", lack of coherent profile description is just one of those things
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 12:18 PM
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it's better to not ask women what makes them swoon, but observe what kind of guy actually makes them swoon. Women oftentimes are really shy and shady about what really turns them on. They have this idea that "fair lady is not supposed to say such things".
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 11:58 AM
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the environment we live in has changed significantly over our history. The most adapted survivalist of stone age would not be very high in the pyramid of modern society, and vise versa. And the traits needed for survival and success are also different. However, we can clearly see that women are attracted to masculine features like leadership and aggression and confidence and dominance. And men possessing these traits enjoy more female optionality, than those possessing more "feminine / nice guy"…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 10:22 AM
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In general, men are more likely than women to cheat: 20% of men and 13% of women reported that they’ve had sex with someone other than their spouse while married Men are more likely to report that they’ve had sex with someone other than their spouse while married, because for men having sex is something to brag about (because it is difficult), and for women it is something to be shamed for (because it is so easy and appealing). Also, check the criticism of this statistics and conclusions derived…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 07:48 AM
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What other methods?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 02:25 PM
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No I didn't get it. Why wouldn't she be sexy if she had responsibilities outside of the home?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 01:59 PM
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Haha, who're you to tell me to GTFO? Maybe I'm not your type? Maybe your type is looking at you in awe, marvelling at anything you say? 😁 It's your modus operandi - lashing out on people when they don't agree with you and attacking them personally. Heck, I start thinking you're probably a woman. Did I guess right? You need to grow up, lady.
/r/seduction20/07/25 11:45 AM
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Why not? There are older parts of the brain containing all that "default" programming. Neo cortex is the newest part that basically makes us humans. We evolved from monkeys which in terms evolved from simpler forms, so naturally we share some pieces of nervous system with them. Makes sense to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 11:42 AM
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Seems like this subreddit is heavily used by self-proclaimed "coaches" for advertising. So frustrating. He should have started with advertising his services, and I wouldn't waste time reading the rest.
/r/seduction20/07/25 11:38 AM
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Same as men Equality, remember? Not asking for anything more.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 09:37 AM
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I thought it was called "lizard brain" 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 09:36 AM
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Sure, women want to be approached and not approach themselves, and would rather complain that men aren't doing that anymore. Or maybe you're suggesting women aren't interested in dating and creating family anymore?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 09:16 AM
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Twice as many women are going to therapy because men try it, see it doesn't work, and go away. Women stay for long. I'm saying that as a man who tried therapy, and more than once.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 07:44 AM
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Genuine interest is approaching because you actually think she’s your type. What if "my type" is fit sexy lady? I'm sexually attracted to the looks, like I'd think every healthy man would be. Band T-shirts and cameras are a nice bonus, that gives me a subject to talk about - but completely optional, in terms of attraction. If guys only dated girls wearing their fav band T-shirts, we would be extinct by now. I think the true mastery of social skills is being able to engage in small-talk with any …
/r/seduction20/07/25 07:41 AM
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What in the what aboutism is this? Men cheat more First of all - cite your source that men cheat more. Second of all - women file for divorce more and take men's peoperty more.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 07:34 AM
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So you report me to Reddit for "sexualizing minors", when I simply repost materials discussing that it is already happening, people are voicing this problem and directing public attention to it, but you would rather shut down everyone who speaks about it, and let's just pretend it does not exist. Great way to solve the problem - let's ban everyone who speaks about it. Way to go, what a brave new world to live in.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 07:31 AM
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No, the key is being taller/broader than your competition so she can feel safe with you around, because in her brain it translates to other guys would prefer to not mess with you. Women like men who have high status, and height is a proxy to high status.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 03:31 PM
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Aha, so it's sexy when a guy making six figures can also hang shelves, but if you do stuff with hands as your profession and not making six figures - it is not sexy anymore. Got you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 03:27 PM
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What is the name of the part of the brain that makes women more attracted to tall and strong guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 03:13 PM
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So you're saying plumbers and carpenters are the sexiest professions?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 03:12 PM
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Wow, you got triggered really badly. Just let it go man, you're preaching to the wrong crowd here.
/r/seduction19/07/25 08:42 AM
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Tbh no one should have to teach you those things. That all came naturally to me in hs. Good for you. Most guys don't get female attention "naturally". So you are in no place to advise them. You never walked in their shoes. Looks like you just got it all handed to you.
/r/seduction19/07/25 08:40 AM
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As I said, your post is full of buzzwords and brags you want to do to feel yourself elite or potray yourself as a seduction Guru stroking your own ego. I totally agree. Another guru "jus' be a good person, go to therapy, be genuine, and love will find you". Never ever works, but gets the clicks every time. People and algorythms luv buzzwords...
/r/seduction19/07/25 08:38 AM
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Don’t approach for numbers. Approach with genuine interest or mind your business. How do you acquire "genuine interest" to someone you see for the first time in your life, though? You need to get to know them before you acquire "genuine interest", and to get to know them you have to approach. Approach precedes "genuine interest". Let her rise to the level of your self esteem by inviting her into your life in ways other men have failed to show her. This sounds patronizing towards women, like a wo…
/r/seduction19/07/25 08:34 AM
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But it's a lot harder to spot the guy who's going to forget your birthday after year two and stops picking up after himself because at this point you are already living together and he thinks you're kind of stuck. Women can do that too, in fact they can do worse - sleep with a fitness-trainer after 7 years of marriage and two kids, then file for divorce, take the kids, trash you in social media, take half of your property and leave your life in pieces. Hence, it's not gender specific and not a v…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 08:27 AM
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i mean, that's just how things are perceived when the norm is for men to be the pursuers. It used to be norm that all that women can hope for was a good marriage and housekeeping "career". Women changed that. They can as well change the norm that only men are allowed to pursue. Like, isn't it kind of patronizing to women? Don't women hate patronizing? It's like women are not good enough to approach first. I say it's not true, and you can prove it today.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 08:24 AM
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Sounds great, however I don't know any therapist who would do that. Most of them even prefer online sessions. It's just talking and talking and talking about feelings and whatnot. At least in my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 08:00 AM
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Well, to be fair it's what our culture is doing. Modern 16 year old girls dress like grown-ups, often have all physical traits of grown ladies, and use make up a lot. Really early girls start taking interest in sex and competing with their peers "have you punched the V card already?", and being pushed to look hot and sexual. Remember "Mean Girls" from 2004, portraying high school girls? And that was 20 years ago. So yes, they are entering sexual market early. I'm not sure it's a good thing, but …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 07:27 PM
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You are forgetting that these girls are underage. When they enter sexual market at the age of 16-20, they will be at their prime, their sexual value skyrockets and all that BS wipes off their brains because they become "the next big thing" that every single guy aged 18-60 actually wants. Most of them will be fine, as long as they don't go chasing Chads. However, Morgan Stanley projections suggest that by 2030, 45% of women 18-44 will be single and with no kids. And it's not because they will be …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 05:25 PM
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If therapy worked for men, they would not be killing themselves. Obviously it is not working for men as good as for women. Which is exactly my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 03:59 PM
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And people around me say I worry too much, I beat myself up, I already do enough and shouldn't stress so much. I wish I could just not stress and let things flow, but I also like to "take action" when I can. Exactly! And from my experience - this kind of mentality is more common among men, then women. Women are like "Why are you always trying to fix the problem, stop that and just listen to me". Apparently, for women, being heard - IS fixing the problem. She vents about the bad day and stupid bo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 01:44 PM
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"Actual therapist" in many cases is just everyday people, it's not like they are some different species, and they talk in exactly the same words as people who just read a few popular books on psychology. Oftentimes people become interested in therapy because of some major problem and looking how to solve it, and then they realize they learned so much about "traumas" and "attachment styles" and "narcissists" that they might as well put that knowledge to good use and earn a few bucks - the demand …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 01:36 PM
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If your girlfriend breaks up with you because she lost feelings for you, you can beat yourself up and say that being more manly would have made her stay. Or you can accept that people and circumstances change and not everything works out. I believe many guys do the latter and it's how they end up in the Manosphere, with a false belief that they can control everything in their life if they just better themselves. But real life doesn't really work that way. Agreed. However, people on reddit (espec…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 01:16 PM
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Compromises are needed when you can't get what you want and can't do without it. If she can get what she wants, why would she have to compromise? It's like telling Apple that their Iphones are overpriced and they should price them lower. Like, dude, you don't like it - you don't buy it. If someone else buys it, they get what they want. It's harsh, but it's how the world works.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 11:21 AM
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Okay, maybe not all men are the same. Personally I'm sick of all this "therapy talk" where they ask you what you're feeling and what kind of support you need. Just sounds so mechanic and formal. When I vent, I truly want to understand what I was doing wrong and how I can make it better next time. Not just someone telling me "Owwwww I'm so sorry" without even meaning it, but just because it is what you are expected to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 11:10 AM
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Well, at least in my experience - people offer generic solutions and don't even care if I say I tried something similar and it didn't work. They just reply I have to work harder and try more of that generic thing, which makes me think they don't really care about helping me - they come to validate their ego, that's it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 10:38 AM
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Good to know)) I heard of "behavioral activation" approach that focuses on helping people do the things they are afraid or can't do for whatever reason. Talking doesn't do much help there. Like, if I have approach anxiety - I won't probably get rid of it by discussing my childhood and learning my attachment style. I just need to go outdoors and do the thing. And maybe a good therapist should go out with me and support me in that. However, I don't know of any therapist who would leave the comfort…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 10:34 AM
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Women already outpace men at education. Childless women are outearning childless men. Yet, women only want men who are better educated and higher earning than them. The math just doesn't add up. Women want to be treated as equals, yet are only attracted to guys "better" (more successful and achieved) than themselves. It is simply not possible, the pool of such guys is shrinking as women are competing for the same success and achievements.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 09:35 AM
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Sure, out of 4 billion women only 3.99 billion are like that. 10 million are not like that. You happy now?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 07:11 AM
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I heard that women go to therapy to talk about their problems, because talking about their problems somehow makes them feel better, feel heard and understood, and it releases some good stuff in their brain. Men, however, when talking about their problems - are mostly looking for actionable solutions, not just venting. That's why hearing stuff like "I hear you, tell me how you feel about this problem, you deserve to be heard, etc." - men feel like it's some kind of a bad joke. Isn't it obvious I …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 07:03 AM
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Use common sense and tact at said places. How do you learn what the girls you approach mean by "common sense and tact"? Because different girls can see it differently. And every girl is convinced that HER sense is the most "common".
/r/seduction16/07/25 06:56 PM
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You're already brushing aside the idea of consent and what women actually want. Really? Care to pinpoint where I did such a thing? You want them to roofie their standards for you and just accept it. So when women tell men to lower their standards, it's a code for "let's go rape men"? I'm not sure I follow your logic, how "reviewing standards" becomes "rape". Also I only mentioned "giving a chance". If giving someone a chance in your mind translates into being raped by them, you need to have a se…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 04:23 PM
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Be being attracted to and feeling safe and secure with the person a woman is having sex with Still could be bad sex, though. Safe and security doesn't translate to arousal and pleasure. On the contrary, many women (per statistics) fantasize about... non-safe stuff, while using "battery operated devices". Feeling helpless and endangered somehow enhances the experience (don't ask me how, I'm not a woman).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 02:50 PM
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Probably because you cannot explain that?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 02:48 PM
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Why? All I'm saying, there must be good sex somewhere (since many women report having it). But how do you find it if you assume every sex is bad and better be as far from it as possible? Maybe you are asexual, that's another story. Just like women tell men to accept rejection as something normal - so women should accept some bad sex, as something normal. And keep trying, like they tell us. Doesn't mean it's not supposed to be consensual, but if you never give anyone and yourself a chance - how t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 01:44 PM
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Then how do you get good sex at all? Or maybe you firmly believe it doesn't exist?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 11:19 AM
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I don't think true red pill guys blame women as a whole for anything. I think the idea of red pill is to explore how things actually work in modern dating, and debunk the myths and "unspoken conventions" that nobody says out loud but assumes everyone gets it anyway. Like men and women are equal, but we don't mean they are equal in dating (men are still expected to approach and court and pay for dates), but you're expected to understand that yourself, because for someone else it is just obvious, …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 09:08 AM
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you don't know it will be shitty until you try 🙂
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 08:47 AM
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I don't know what it's like to be a woman, but as a man I'd very much appreciate ugly women making a move on me. Coming to say "Hi", asking for help, complimenting something in me, etc. But it never happens. Maybe for women who have too much attention - it's different.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 06:51 AM
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No, masculine = what society dictates men should be and should do. Because masculinity is not something given to men by default, they are supposed to achieve that, become that. Otherwise the argument "You're not masculine enough" wouldn't make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 01:56 PM
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Oh, so for you any human is the same as your family and friend (aka your tribe)? If everyone is your friend - no one is your friend, because a friend is someone who I'm closer with than some random dude, they are more important to me, I'm willing to sacrifice more for them, invest in them. When I face a choice to spend time with them and some random dudes - I prefer my friend, and those choices define our relationship. I choose them among everyone, and they choose me. But if you're equally close…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 01:47 PM
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What, being social, going out and meeting new people? You can be social and go out - without any romantic vibes and dates. You have buddies for that, you don't want to kiss and cuddle and have sex with your buddies. But revealing your feelings and sympathies - and being told that you're not good enough, being mocked, being ghosted/ignored... that hurts. Were you hoping a girlfriend would just come knock on your door, have zero needs to get to know you Dating is frustrating not because people wan…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 01:25 PM
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You’re supposed to enjoy dating someone. If you don’t enjoy dating someone, stop dating that person! The process of finding and attracting that person is also "dating", and it is the most annoying part. Not fun at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 12:38 PM
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And overall the market is fair because its based on what people think is worth it Depends on what you think is "fair". For example, germans of 1930s believed some ethnicites are better than others, and wiping some ethnicities off the face of Earth - is fair. People of previous times believed it is fair to "cure" homosexual people because homosexuality was seen as "disease". Et cetera. What people think is fair - changes between cultures, times and societies. There is no "absolute fairness". an a…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 12:28 PM
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I build relationships here and improve my cognitive abilities by reading and trying to figure out what other people say and why they say that
/r/seduction15/07/25 07:41 AM
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Well, if you think dating at 20 and 70 y.o. is the same thing and can be used to calculate "average" - it is just... funny. It's like there is a dead body in a morgue and a person burning of fever on the top floor, and the average patient temperature in the hospital is 36,6 C. When people say "average", they don't mean literal average of every person existing on the planet. They mean "average" of what they interact with. I don't think 20 y.o. guys interact with many grandma's in a romantic way..…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 07:35 AM
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Average does not mean someone within the mean of your personal attractiveness ratings, please use common sense. The literal average woman is 40yo and overweight Basically you are saying that average woman is too old to have kids. How do people procreate then? Remember, the very idea of romance is related to sex, and sex is meant by nature to produce kids. If we didn't need each other to procreate - there would be no romance. men tend to chase younger women regardless of their own age, which mean…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 07:22 AM
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It's exactly because you have a high concentration of famous people, so their high status is not that high in your social context. Status is always relative.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 01:08 PM
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Not famous. Just hot. I don't care who this chick on Playboy cover is, if she is a model earning millions, or a famous actress, or just some random waitress who got drafted for a one-time photoshoot. Heck, ask a man who has Playboy collection to remember the names of those beauties on cover - he'd barely call 10% of them. But if she's hot - she's hot, that's it. Fame and status - are sexual triggers for women, not men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 01:07 PM
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Correct, this video explains exactly the same concept: being a woman today is similar to being famous as a man. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEN6nz1DNg4
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 12:51 PM
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Well, I get your point, but in my opinion you're mixing different things. It's like telling a hungry person The big lie sold by the food industry is that simply eating food will deliver long-term fulfillment. True fulfillment comes from knowing your values, finding your purpose, choosing your mission, and aligning with your masculine core. Well, you're not wrong, but moving to a higher level and doing all the self-development sh*t is good when you have your basic needs met... When you're starvin…
/r/seduction14/07/25 07:53 AM
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"Benefits" how exactly?
/r/seduction14/07/25 07:46 AM
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Nowadays a lot of women complain "where are all the good men", meaning they are not attracted to men who are attracted to them, and can't find men meeting their standards. Also, things like Tinder filters where women cut men off at 6' which means only 15% of male population meets their standards... just speak for themselves. You tell me, if majority of women going after 15% males is realistic standards or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 07:44 AM
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So even if I try to have conversations playing by their rules, shit doesn't make sense!! It's not supposed to make sense, that's why it is faith)) If it made sense, it would be logic or science. Similarly, I have a lot of disagreements with the entire concept of 'sexual marketplace value', it is almost entirely ascientific Well, SMV concept is... a concept, allowing to better understand and explain human behavior. It's not like there is some calculator keeping score of your actual SMV. If anythi…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 07:31 AM
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And when you point out womens' double standards, they call you hateful and cynical, and that is why you are not successful in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 07:29 AM
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Why do you think so? How do you measure "productivity" for everyone?
/r/seduction13/07/25 07:55 PM
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Why not?
/r/seduction13/07/25 07:09 PM
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Well, yeah. But you'd have to define "compatibility", as it is a very broad and unclear concept. How do you know if you're "compatible" with someone or not? And what is "a better match"? Better how?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 07:08 PM
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I’m saying if the guys who had no options had more options they would have less FOMO. Okay, so in order to have less FOMO guys - women just have to give them more optionality. It's totally in the hands of women. Highly desired guys can be kind; highly desired guys can be schmucks. Undesired guys can be kind; undesired guys can be schmucks. Your logic sounds like "In winter we can have cold days, and warm days. In summer you can have cold days, and warm days. Therefore, knowing time of the year d…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 04:09 PM
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Really? How can the girl ditch the first date on the grounds that boy was pushing for sex on the first date, when to be pushed for sex on the first date - she had to go to that date, which she didn't because she ditched it? Like, how did she know she would be pushed for sex without even going on a date? Looks like there is some time travel involved))
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 04:01 PM
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here are you getting the idea that they were all rejected or discarded by the dream tall dark or handsome guy? People can have an ideal formed by media etc and then just .. meet someone they have good chemistry with which overrides that. Chemistry is just another word for attraction. Attraction is largely a physical thing, although not exclusively. Otherwise I would have to assume that you're also saying that because a guy fantasized about say, Sabrina Carpenter (I don't know what female celebri…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 02:45 PM
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I’m definitely speaking in averages. Most people don’t like cynical people. Of course there are exceptions. What happened to "you should not try to change yourself, to make other people like you, you should be confident about what you believe in"? :))))) My life experience taught me to be cynical and wary around people. It doesn't mean I'm shoving my cynicism into their faces every chance I get. I can play the social dance, can be polite and smile and make compliments and say nice things, when t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 02:27 PM
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I’m not saying men who have lots of options value women more. I’m saying men who have no options usually have incredible FOMO when it comes to shit like casual sex, so if they get an opportunity to go out with a woman a lot of times the just want to fuck so they can feel like the “alpha chad” they fantasize about every night. So you say that if these men, who have no options - had more options and opportunities, to satisfy their sexual cravings - they would not have FOMO and would treat women be…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 02:05 PM
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Why? If man knows that one response will make him cancelled and bring a lot of hate and problems, then he will not give this response, whether he shares this opinion or not. Same reason why elections in totalitarian societies are a joke, when voting for any other than current leader - will get you into trouble. Vikings, however, had no such issue, they were not pressured by their society to rape or not rape. So we can study human nature on their example, or similar society where rape was not sha…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 01:49 PM
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Well, saying the gross truth out loud - is gross, but doesn't mean it's not true. Us people do a lot of gross and cruel stuff. Look at all the wars, all the hatred, injustice, corruption. If we pretend it is not there, it won't go anywhere. Sadly, that's just how we are. Admitting it is part of growing up.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 12:10 PM
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that's why they also threw in the werewolf guy, for the likes of you))))
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 12:07 PM
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So you're saying guys who have high optionality with women - value women more? Care to explain how it works in the guys brain? You not seeing rationality doesn't mean people are not acting rational. For example, no person would be in a relationship if the benefits specifically for them outweigh the cost. Everyone wants the best for themselves, at lowest price possible. Just how humans are wired.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 11:42 AM
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What you say is not a rational behavior. It's same as money. Rich people are more likely to waste money on stupid stuff, they don't value every hundred bucks as mother of three living on social welfare. Same with men. You can't afford to waste a date when you have one date per year, you will give it all you've got. But when you have 10 dates per week? You can be an asshole, who cares. What you describe is not a behavior of a guy who has no options. To abuse and cheat on his girlfriend - he needs…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 09:54 AM
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troll
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 09:50 AM
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Try asking vikings 700 years ago)) Modern men are too conditioned by society to give socially expected answers, so you will not get the truth from them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 09:48 AM
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If Edward Cullen wasn't attractive to target audience, the movie would fail miserably. And target audience would not be writing sexy fanfictions about him.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 09:46 AM
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well, if a girl in 100% cases would prefer a tall dark handsome guy to not as tall and not as dark guy, then... as a not very talk and not very dark guy, you will always be left to pick up what the tall dark guy discarded. And if he wants that back, he can easily take it from you. Not a very funny perspective, don't you think?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 09:43 AM
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proof?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 09:41 AM
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Add Damon Salvatore from Vampire Diaries (I think it's a better version of Twilight). Classic story of a girl choosing between the "good" vampire guy and the bad one. Guess which one ends up with the girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 08:56 AM
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There’s no guarantee that less attractive dudes are any better There is no guarantee, but it makes sense that guys with less optionality and attention would be less arrogant and value a girl more. Would you want to go out with someone you weren’t attracted to? If I wasn't attracted to her sexually but she seemed like an overall nice person, yes I would still give this a chance and get to know her and learn something about women. In fact, I actually did that. When you have zero dates, you can't w…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 07:45 AM
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I'll make a mental note that not pushing for sex on a first date - is a surefire way to get the first date. Oh, wait, something does not sound right...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 07:21 AM
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If you're living in a place where primary means of transportation is a horse - then by all meands, seek knowledge in books written a century ago. As for socializing - in most places where they have Internet and mobile phones, socializing changed significantly over the last 20 years. But if you're living in a place where nobody saw those technologies... then sure, seek knowledge in books written before the digital age.
/r/seduction12/07/25 04:48 PM
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I'm simply stating it's well know that more long-term single men are desperate for a relationship to the point they would lower standards to such an unhealthy degree than women. The cause could be testosterone, could be societal, irrelevant - but it does hold. Well, to be honest - men desperate to find a relationship are EXPLICITLY TOLD by women that they should lower their standards... Myself was told it right on this subred, countless times. Also not true. "Overdoing it" doesn't just manifest …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 07:38 AM
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Probably because men are visually stimulated by women, not by their surroundings.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 07:17 AM
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That's an indictment more of men than it is of women. Self-respecting men have higher criteria for women than simply looks. You could be right, although I'd attribute it to nature. But I'm not looking for someone to blame - I'm just stating the facts. It's other men that keeping telling struggling guys to overdo it at the gym, to do steroids, etc. to "appeal to women". It's actually pretty hard to "overdo" it at the gym. Modern standards of male beauty are already very high, not many men are abl…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 06:50 PM
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Because women mostly find the bodybuilder body type unappealing. Showing any type of body will not be enough to gain popularity among women as a man, but would definitely be enough to gain popularity among men as a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 04:39 PM
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You're not picking food to create babies with it, and live happily eating only that food for decades (marriage).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 04:36 PM
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I luv when women talk about nerds being someone's type. What do you mean by "nerd"? Peter Parker aka Spiderman as depicted in Marvel movies? )))
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 04:32 PM
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Let me clarify: multiple girls approached you in discord and expressed interest without even seeing you? Or did they know you at that point? If what you're telling is true, it definitely doesn't look like something average Joe goes through. Average Joe gets not nominated the hottest student of his class. I'm not sure why you are mocking us here, who were not blessed with pretty genetics like you. If anything, your experience proves that girls would throw themselves at top 20% guys like yourself …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 10:41 AM
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You need to make the effort and take the risk during initial approach, though. You cannot feel appreciated before you even started talking to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 08:57 AM
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Describe those approaches, please.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 08:55 AM
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There are literally influencer accounts for teaching people how to do good amateur phone photography, sometimes specifically for social media. And in my experience, it is only women who care to learn about this. Men don’t. At this point is a meme that girlfriends take such beautiful photos of their boyfriends, and boyfriends take photos like a monkey with disposable camera. Well, the difference is that women will get validation just for picturing their pretty sexy body. I'm not saying that maint…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 07:33 AM
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You can take shockingly good photos with a phone if you know how. But only from a limited number of angles, otherwise you need another person who knows what they're doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 06:38 AM
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Rephrasing is also another way of meeting them on the same page about red pill ideas: When you bring the word hypergamy on the table they will object and say it doesn’t exist, but if you say women will date a man at least on their level minimum they will nod along. True. Women are very concerned about the form in which the message is delivered, specifically it needs to be devoid of any provocativeness or offensiveness. It has to do with the indirect style of communication women historically deve…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 01:12 PM
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If you can't enjoy being nice to a stranger and maybe making them smile, then you're probably going to have a rough life. It's hard not to have a rough life, when you make your happiness and enjoyment dependent on other people smiles.
/r/seduction10/07/25 07:41 AM
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i think there are certain truths that do have to be said. bottom line is if you want to increase your chances of attracting a partner, you have to improve yourself. that to me is the full extent of it. General truths are the easiest to agree with, because everyone can interprete them any way he or she likes. What is "improve yourself"? Someone will hear it as "go to the gym", someone else - "earn more money", and someone - "get a tattoo". That is not helpful at all. You need to find a balance be…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 07:28 AM
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You're right that the best advice should be specific and personalized. But when we talk about problems in dating, we can make some generalizations based on collective experience and statistics. Of course it doesn't mean that we should project those generalizations onto everyone. But when statistics shows that for example 1/3 of young men have no sex - don't know about you, but to me it looks like a social problem, that has to have some reasons common for most of those young men. I don't think ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 07:19 AM
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Generalizations are not bad per se. Science is built on generalizations. However, it is important that generalizations are supported by facts and some common sense. Otherwise it's just projecting, you're right. please believe me when i say that women who prefer non-masculine men and men who prefer non-feminine women exist. and they are everywhere if you're in the right place. Another typical problem with advice is - it is too general and not actionable. Like "be in the right place and you will f…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 06:52 AM
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human life is not enough to read even 1% of books... You have to prioritize.
/r/seduction09/07/25 11:34 AM
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How to talk to anyone by Leil Lowndes This book is from 1999, pre-Facebook / Tinder and all the online shit. We live in a different world now. Old rules do not apply. It's like reading a book on horseriding in the era of electromobiles. How to win friends and influence people by Dale Carnegie This one is from 1936, are you joking? Try finding something closer to current date, preferably post-COVID.
/r/seduction09/07/25 11:33 AM
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You didn't get it from my previous message? Oh, I see, a few paragraphs of text cannot fit into your Twitter-conditioned RAM... So I will try to write shorter simpler messages. People watch & like what they agree with. You cannot build a popular long-living channel just by spilling money into ads and buying traffic. Popular long-living channels really reflect what most people are into.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 08:24 AM
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Okay, I'll bite - so people who have many subscribers are not making content that caters to a wide audience, reflecting ideas and wants and values of that audience? Influencers just make random content about whatever, and then buy fake likes and subscribes via advertising. The one who buys more - is a bigger influencer, and screw the content, nobody even watches it really, it's all fake anyway. You could just as well argue that pop-music is not more popular than classical music, because all of i…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 07:12 AM
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Tiktok is not going anywhere, with or without us. People (girls) are still watching it and learning from it. You can't shove this genie back into the bottle.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 07:01 AM
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If you rush blindly into weightlifting and push yourself beyond, you will probably hurt yourself. There are techniqiues, programs, trainers who can guide you through the process if you struggle doing it on your own. But with conversations, you are expected to somehow "get it" all by yourself. Person who is in the gym for the first time and asking for help - is a normal beginner. Person who is not good at small-talk and asking for help - is a weirdo, let's troll him.
/r/seduction09/07/25 06:59 AM
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Similarly there are people who are not obsessed with casual talking to other people. I don't share values and interests of most people, so I don't find casual talking to them interesting.
/r/seduction09/07/25 06:55 AM
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What if I don't? I' m not a socialite and have no intention of becoming one, I know I'm too different from most people and I don't follow trends and am not fun by "common" standards, but I still want intimacy and connection with a tight circle of people who get me and share my values. Grandma's like talking to other grandma's because they share similar experience and troubles and can relate to each other.
/r/seduction09/07/25 06:52 AM
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Oh, that's what you mean by "pushing into a relationship"... You should have started with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 06:31 PM
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You can make assumptions based on number of watches and likes. Influencers are called that for a reason. They - influence. Say we have five similar bloggers and influencers with 100K subscribers each, and every video gets 1M+ watches. And another set of bloggers 10 times smaller. Do you think there is a scenario where more real people are sharing the ideas of the second set of channels, and distribution of subscribers is not indicative of real people preferences?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 05:34 PM
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Shouldn't it be genuine, though? Women like to repeat that when you approach them and start a conversation it has to be genuine. What possible genuine reason can OP have to small-talk grandma's circle?
/r/seduction08/07/25 05:31 PM
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You are absolutely right that Confidence only comes from real life experience However you missed one important detail - it has to be positive real life experience. Like, when you get in fights and turn out victorious almost every time - for sure next time you have to fight someone, you will feel confident. But if 4 out of 5 times you end up coughing blood on the ground - then at some point you will probably develop fear and aversion towards fights. It's like Pavlov's dog - your brain associates …
/r/seduction08/07/25 05:29 PM
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Correction: MANY girls on TikTok say this, and they get a lot of looks and likes and comments "You go girl, show them!", so you conclude MANY girls are like that and approve that behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 04:42 PM
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A shitty offer is someone who is way below your market value for relationships. That's exactly what the guy said Yeah so since women can pick more options because the market allows them to it still means they are very picky. Doesn't change anything Market defines what is reasonable, because market decides what kind of offers you get (and therefore which offers are "reasonable"). Put you in different market situation - and your idea of "reasonable" would change very quickly. Like, when a woman in…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 02:16 PM
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Wouldn't be the first time)))
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 01:58 PM
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What is "shitty" and "reasonable" changes dependent on market situation. For someone who hasn't eaten in 2 days, McBurger is a blessing. For someone eating in Michelin restaurants - it is shit. When you get access to better things, the average one magically turn to shit. Like IPhone from 10 years ago. But in a society where there are no IPhones, any IPhone will be a treasure.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 11:56 AM
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This guy nailed it!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 11:52 AM
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Not to women, apparently. However it will affect them when it affects their sons.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 10:30 AM
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What about woman's feeling versus autonomy of men? What is more important?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 10:29 AM
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If the man wants a job - it's on him to make himself desirable to employers. Who cares if he's on the spectrum or has asthma. Natural selection will solve everything, this is Sparta - let's kill the weak infants because they won't find a partner anyway, why make them suffer?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 10:28 AM
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Okay, I'm in. Push me into a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 10:25 AM
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It is considered impolite if you're attracted to her physically. You're expected to be attracted only to non-visible personality features of her, even when you know her for 2 seconds.
/r/seduction08/07/25 06:58 AM
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Where the mindset kicks in is that you should pursue her, not chase her. If she isn't showing you any interest back, then you back off completely. The idea is that you want to be with someone who's excited to be with you I kind of understand what you mean, but at this initial phase you should pursue someone who is not yet excited about you, or maybe excited less than you are. And how long should this phase last? What if at some point her excitement drops a little - should you check out immediate…
/r/seduction07/07/25 03:39 PM
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It's a typical economic principle "value comes from scarcity". Check out the paradox of water and diamonds - water is more vital than diamonds, but it is cheap because unlike diamonds - there are tons of it. When water becomes scarce, like in a desert or a "Dune" movie - it jumps in price immediately. Women do not want casual sex, because it is not scarce and they can easily get it. However, ask women who have a hard time finding sex when they want it- and they might tell a different story. Casu…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 03:37 PM
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Still, the approach OP suggested (abstain from wanting those who don't want you first) - is a recipe for staying alone.
/r/seduction06/07/25 04:07 PM
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...and this game of chasing looks, money and status never stops... because no matter how high you get, you can always be doing better.
/r/seduction06/07/25 06:04 AM
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But wait, if you only want someone who wants you first - then this person had to break the rule, because they have to want you before you want them. If they don't want you first and you also wait for them to want you before you start wanting them - then you both are stuck.
/r/seduction06/07/25 06:03 AM
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One of the best experts on this topic (in my opinion), Orion Taraban, suggests woman's raw attraction to a male is created by only 3 things: confidence contextual alpha ability to trigger her emotions Other things, like money, career, interesting hobbies, etc. - are attraction proxies. Because having them does not necessarily make YOU more attractive, but dating you becomes a means ("proxy") of getting access to those resources. Woman's desire to have those resources can eventually be associated…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 06:32 AM
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I have a cooler avatar)
/r/seduction04/07/25 01:27 PM
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Here’s the reality - this guy’s not getting results because he’s lazy and inconsistent. He hides behind fear, half-asses his approaches, and never bothers to learn what actually works. So when he fails, he comforts himself by saying, “Oh well, it’s because the game is too crowded now.” Here's the reality - poor people are poor because they are lazy and inconsistent. They hide behind fear, half-ass their interviews, and never bother to learn what actually works. So when they fail, they comfort th…
/r/seduction04/07/25 01:25 PM
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Confrontation is not pleasant. But is essential in some situations. For example, Boss makes u work overtime. Just say "No", state your reasoning, or leave this job. Why argue? Do you think you will convince your boss by shouting or threatening him, or calling him names? No problems are ever solved by arguing. It's just emotional venting. Wife doesn’t allow to have female friends or go out with friends. Just sit and about talk this with her - why she feels insecure about you having female friends…
/r/seduction04/07/25 08:24 AM
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You can’t even stand up for yourself. How should he stand up for himself? Break the cousin's bones? Call him names? Not everyone enjoys that kind of confrontation. Walking away from unpleasant dudes is what civilized people do to stand up for themselves. Playing a game of who's a bigger bully - is not.
/r/seduction04/07/25 07:35 AM
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Well, to be fair, for young girls it kind of is what they consider "strong personality". I know it's shallow and not fair, but that's just how it is. Find some solace in the fact that your dude will probably treat those girls the same way, and eventually break their hearts.
/r/seduction04/07/25 07:33 AM
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Maybe that's why he's more liked by girls. Man's status in hierarchy - is a huge factor of attractiveness for women. He humiliates you (and presumably other men as well) so he looks like an alpha in front of those women.
/r/seduction04/07/25 07:30 AM
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My interest and initiative needs to be reciprocated, if it's not than I conclude you're not interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 06:15 PM
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The manipulaton is not smart. It's ignoring the message and focusing on the form it was conveyed in. It's like if I came to a shop and asked for a white T-shirt, and the person selling them started calling me a racist because I asked specifically white one. "So black T-shirts are not good enough for you, eh? I bet you hate black people too, you freak!" Honestly, you can see an insult in a simple "Good morning " if you really go looking for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 03:49 AM
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Oh my, this is SO true! I notice this not just with women, but some men too. Especially when I'm drawing parallels between relationships/sexual behavior and market strategies, like looking for romantic partner versus looking for a car to buy. People start "You can't compare those things, people are not cars" (just like "people are not chicken" in your example). It seems some people just lack deeper understanding of the idea you try to explain, and focus on the surface level, criticizing the form…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 03:41 AM
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Let her prove it with photos.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 02:28 PM
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There is enough statistics from dating apps that proves MOST (not all but most) men prefer girls in early 20s. Doesn't mean they don't date different ages, it's just what they consider most attractive. For women, preferred partner age - changes as they age themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 02:27 PM
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You invented neg-hits)) Well done! Newsflash: if you aren't hot and attractive to her, she will ghost you after the first neg, so you will gain nothing. Only if you're hot and attractive to her - she will let it slide. Just saying how it is.
/r/seduction02/07/25 05:43 AM
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If a woman found any interest in me here, and I made a comment like that to her, she would respond. It might not go anywhere, but being able to strike up a conversation is a skill and until you stop convincing yourself you can’t do it for whatever reason, you won’t do it. I'm not convincing myself of anything. My conclusions are based on actual experience. I approached random girls during small-talk trainings, I attended multiple speedating events, I tried social gatherings and cuddle parties an…
/r/seduction01/07/25 11:28 AM
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Just say to them, “Everytime I decide I want to try something new I can never decide what to get.” Smile and chuckle at the minor dilemma you are in. Perhaps they will relate to what you said. They will probably say something back either way. In my culture (post-Soviet country) women would give you a weird look and move away if you do something like that)))
/r/seduction01/07/25 06:17 AM
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Cool attire, tats, face whatever it is just say “hey your clothes are cool”, check the vibe If someone dropped “hey your clothes are cool” in passing, it would take me a few seconds to process - that they were saying it to me, wondewr what about my clothes was considered cool, maybe this person wants something..? And as it was done "in passing", by the time I come up with some kind of response - the person would be long gone. The problem with cold approaches is - you put a pressure on a girl to …
/r/seduction01/07/25 05:48 AM
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No hard time. You want Chad - go ahead, try to secure him. But don't go expecting us to take you under the wing when Chad ditches you for a prettier girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 04:43 PM
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Imagine a stranger passing you by says "You look interesting". Wouldn't you be suspicious? Now imagine you're a girl, used to unwanted attention from all kinds of men.
/r/seduction30/06/25 04:38 PM
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You are welcome to think that it won’t work. I had a woman give me her number a couple of days ago at the grocery store after we got to chatting about wine there. I don't know if it's a culture thing or you just look hot, but wherever I see girls, who are not with men - look tense and defensive, and I constantly get the vibe that they would prefer to be left alone. When I did practice cold approaches, I was getting those "WTF do you need dude" looks and attitude all the time. Even though I'm not…
/r/seduction30/06/25 01:52 PM
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I think it’s easier to strike up a conversation in a place that you have both gone to for a reason. Like a store. What kind of excuse can you have to bother people who are busy doing their shopping? Like, you can ask "do you know where the vegetables are", but that's it. Same as you ask a stranger outdoors "do you know where is the nearest bank?". It does not lead anywhere, though.
/r/seduction30/06/25 11:57 AM
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Can you give example of how to have a pleasant conversation with a stranger in the street?
/r/seduction30/06/25 10:49 AM
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Can you give an algorithm of what kind of approach will be "respectful and authentic"? We will test it on multiple girls and tell you about the results. But you have to be very specific, otherwise the experiment won't be proper.
/r/seduction30/06/25 10:48 AM
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Being alive means talking to strangers in the street? And people who do not initiate small talk with strangers - are not alive? Interesting perspective.
/r/seduction30/06/25 10:45 AM
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Men despise not delaying sex, but when woman whom they courted for months, made effort, arranged dates, paid for dinners, bought flowers and gifts - f*cks a bartender or an athlete or a singer she met the same day, just because she "feels like it" and "he's just soooo hot!" As for women who reject any attempts of physical escalation, like touching and hugs - men simply conclude the woman doesn't like them as romantic prospect, and move on. It's not about despising at all. If you don't feel the s…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 07:36 AM
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There is no one study LOL))))) What I say has been proven by many studies, plus there are tons of experiments where people just create fake profile and share the number of likes they got. Just google 'tinder experiments'. Or even better - you can have one yourself. ChatGPT will tell you exactly what you ask it to prove, didn't you know that? It is programmed to support your beliefs whatever they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 02:13 PM
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chatGPT Is not a relevant source
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 02:01 PM
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https://medium.com/@worstonlinedater/tinder-experiments-ii-guys-unless-you-are-really-hot-you-are-probably-better-off-not-wasting-your-2ddf370a6e9a https://techcrunch.com/2009/11/18/okcupid-inbox-attractive/ Also check out this mathematic model explaining why average dude gets almost no likes, while average girl gets tons. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3lypVnJ0HM Also, check out this video to see in realtime how girls actually swipe on dating apps. If that doesn't serve as enough proof - I do…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 02:00 PM
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This is why the bottom two thirds of men chased the top tier of women, while women actually focused the majority of their efforts on men with a mean attractiveness of "average" or lower. Every dating app statistics shows female preferences are more focused on the same top 10-15% men. While men like much more female profiles. Overall, most men would sleep with majority of women, but most women would not sleep with majority of men. That is why women are the gatekeepers of sex, and not the other wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 01:15 PM
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Well formulated. Like Orion Taraban says: "Women want what other women want". They look at the type of men other women want, and are conditioned to pick the same. Herd mentality. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfpqDaZnvYk
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 01:12 PM
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I'm not trying to prove they was some offence, I'm proving that's how women think of men. Even if this specific woman totally made up the whole story - it's her message and attitude that matters. Women expect a man approaching them - has bad intentions and they need to defend against him. Women basically tell us "Stay on your side of the street, don't go near us, leave us alone, you're not wanted". Only if you're a hot guy, then women will give you the "dat ass" kind of looks and smiles and brus…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 05:39 AM
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You totally miss the point. Joey Swolls personality is irrelevant. What is relevant is the TikTok videos he comments on his channel. The sheer number of girls who take offence in men looking their way, calling them "gross" and "feral". Are you suggesting Swoll makes all those videos himself, and in reality girls don't act that way?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 05:35 AM
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Yeah, sure 😁 Whatever you say, oh mighty and all-knowing Hulk)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 07:06 PM
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Okay, I guess you don't want a debate. I give you solid arguments and material, you give me emotions and berating. Enjoy your life Mr. Hulk. I'm out.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 05:48 PM
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The issue is guys are terrified to even argue in their own defense. Arguing in your defense, my ass... you watch too many court dramas and Marvel movies, and imagine you can slam your way through your foes like some Hulk. Go read some: https://www.forbes.com/sites/karlynborysenko/2020/02/12/the-dark-side-of-metoo-what-happens-when-men-are-falsely-accused/
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 05:40 PM
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What you guys sound like when you push this omgggg I'm literally gonna get bashed just trying to talk to a woman! stuff is that you have some sort of severely unresolved issue that is causing an over-abundance of sensitivity to any conflict, and it always sounds like you have no capacity to defend yourselves. There is no conflict. If a girl accuses you of something - everyone comes to her help and you are automatically assumed to be a perpetrator. Just how our culture works. You have no defence …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 05:28 PM
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Wait till he becomes a 'hero' of a viral video. Maybe that will change your mind. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33LYY_cin_Y
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 05:14 PM
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Google 'Joey Swoll Toxic Gym Influencers', you will see a lot of examples where girls rise a lot of noise when dudes are looking in their general direction as they work out. If that is the reaction for simple looks, imagine what gates of hell would open if those guys made moves on them. Also check out this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JXNdVBNF7M
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 05:10 PM
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Watch some TikToks of girls complaining about a guy as much as looked at them in a gym or said Hello in a parking lot. I have a large experience of observing girls in public places. They are so tense and defensive around men, like preparing to be jumped any moment. Many of them actually experienced harassment, so it's like "better safe then sorry". I can understand them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 04:57 PM
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You're right it doesn't happen to women, so you never experienced it. Wait till you have a 20+ year old son.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 04:54 PM
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People around you are acting in specific way. Sure, let's pretend no patterns exist and believe that will lead to happiness. Ignorance is bliss.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 04:52 PM
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Where are you taking this statistics from? I heard much bigger numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 04:48 PM
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'Hitting the wall' does not mean on her 35th birthday she wakes up and suddenly no guy wants her. It's more that the caliber of men pursuing her drops significantly, and she doesn't want any of them (because she's used to better men making advances and giving her attention), and she starts complaining about "where did all the good men go".
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 04:41 PM
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Confidence: the guy does something without hesitation and you like him. Arrogance: the guy you don't like does the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 04:37 PM
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Scenario 3: you approach her with confidence, have a conversation, get accused of harassment and beaten up by her boyfriend, and all of your common friends think you're an a**hole because no woman would ever falsely accuse a guy just because she doesn't like him.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 04:35 PM
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Mating behavior is based on sexual desire. Sexual desire is activated by the same things as 10 000 years ago. Strength, confidence, dominance, high status, popularity, authority, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 12:45 PM
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Then how do you explain that women are sexually attracted to masculine features and behavior that were effective 10 000 years ago, but not in modern age? Basically here you are arguing against scientific proof and saying something like "Einstein was wrong, I don't believe his theories!". How do you expect scientists to react? Believe what you want, dear...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 12:37 PM
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Well, a thousand years to evolution is what a week is to you. Try changing the habits you have since childhood in one week. That's impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 12:28 PM
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isn't it kind of makes all this biology argument false? because higher chances of reproduction for men would be if they already choosing ltr, because give your semen is often not enough (pregnancy not that easy) but also because you need your child to survive which means putting resources. You have to consider that in prehistoric times (where these instinctive patterns of behavior originate from) there was no nuclear family. People lived in groups and raised children collectively, without really…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 10:40 AM
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You think being sexy is about tricks and jawlines? It’s not. It’s about energy they feel before you even speak. Confidence that isn’t loud but undeniable. You can argue whatever you want, but once we go out into the real world - we see which of us is right. Energy is undefinable. You can call whatever you want 'good energy' or 'bad energy'. Like most women, you just expect people to guess and give you what you want, when you yourself don't know what you want, and when they don't know how to do i…
/r/seduction27/06/25 11:08 AM
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I really don't think it's even that close honestly because even though it's exchange you can have seemingly or even exact same thing and have "the value" of it be wildly different dependending on recipient, while generally (mind you, generally) you can only ever sell same toy for close to similar price. Not true, man. You're talking about selling unique things (because humans and human interactions are unique, to a point). See how hotel prices are different? But you can say - it's just accomodat…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 05:42 AM
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Just be yourself’ is great advice—if you’re the kind of guy worth being. Otherwise, upgrade first. You see, half advice is worse than nothing, because it sets you on the wrong path. The part women leave out is "FIRST become attractive to me, THAN just be yourself". Well, of course when I'm attractive, I can just relax and enjoy lots of female attention. Attractive guys do not need the advice to be themselves. It's the guys who are not - looking for ways to become attractive. The truth? Attractio…
/r/seduction27/06/25 05:38 AM
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I'm just saying that the transactionality isn't similar to money which whole your comment seems to agree with. Well, it's kind of similar in core principle, but different in a sense that money is more obvious and quantifiable. Like, you can buy a toy for money, or you can trade a toy for a bucket of apples. The second is not easily quantifiable, but both transactions are very similar in nature. Not every transaction inmvolves money - you are right about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 07:05 PM
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Mate, If she’s in love with you for real, your basement pad and empty pockets won’t faze her. Love’s all about your vibe, your raw honesty and gutsy attitude are already killer. However, some guys get fallen in love with much more often than others. Is that for real or not? And why is that? Do they have a better 'vibe'? Are they more 'real'? Pickup artists are less 'real' than 'nice guys', but pickup artists are more fallen in love with. Which proves - seduction is a skill, it's not about being …
/r/seduction26/06/25 07:02 PM
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But when I don't try and ignore them, they also ignore me. What am I doing wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 04:01 PM
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A broke dude who lives in his parents basement stands firmly on his lifestyle, and is clear about his intentions to f*ck a pretty girl. He doesn't need an audience to do that and is very authentic. Your estimate of his chances to succeed?
/r/seduction26/06/25 03:59 PM
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Not all relationships lead to sex needs being satisfied.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 03:50 PM
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The "economic metaphor" is the fundametal principle "I will give something ONLY IF I get something in return". Relationships are not unconditional - no one will stay in a relationship where their partner does whatever they like, and stay loyal to them and cater to their needs anyway. When you have conditional behavior - we're talkking in market terms. I want this from you, and you want that from me. You give me this - I give you that. Deal? Of course in most relationships it is not discussed ope…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 02:40 PM
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It's not transactional in the same sense money is because it's part of the person Not every transation involves money. Like, I help out a bro - and then he helps me out. If I help him out and he doesn't help me out when I need it - then next time I will be less likely to help him out. There is no money involved, yet isn't it kinda transactional? I think it is. You don't wake up in the morning and think you should give your friend three hugs in exchange for one bowl of pasta, and those are the ea…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 02:16 PM
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Actually, you can. If you believe love and relationships are not transactional - you should stop asking and expecting something from your partner, and be with them no matter what they do and give you or don't. If you are only with them as long as they meet your expectations - then BOOM your relationship is transactional, meaning "I'll give you this if you give me that". Also, you're probably not willing to engage in relationship with just about anyone. You probably have some standards and want s…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 05:01 PM
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Well, no offence but your list is not very useful since you're just naming factors that might affect your attraction, which of itself is not very helpful. I'm sure most people would agree that all of these matter, to a degree, but... so what? Which factors are the most important? What are the tips to develop some of these? Your comment doesn't answer it, it's just like those click-batey articles "10 things to do if you want to get a girlfriend". I doubt anyone here needs to be convinced, that be…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 02:53 PM
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In Islamic cultures I think it is also punished, so you can move there and enjoy the benefits of totally un-free society.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 11:10 AM
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Money won't get you laid, they only give you more options to improve other things that can actually get you laid. If you're sitting in a dark corner of a bar all gloomy and lonely and dressed like a bum - no one will care you have million on your bank account. Even guys who bought expensive sport cars to attract girls - eventually confess it mostly attracts dudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 11:08 AM
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thank you chatGPT!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 11:04 AM
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Extreme focus on appearance is Black Pill. Focus on your social skills and charisma while also investing into better appearance - is Red Pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 11:04 AM
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Well, many people who believed they were not settled for - got cheated on by their partner... So it never hurts to be a little skeptical. After all, it's statistics that proves most relationship don't last forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 10:35 AM
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in what culture was cheating a crime punished by law?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 10:00 AM
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Because as a man you have certain urges. Also you crave affection and intimacy. Even if you don't intend to make this person your lifetime only partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 10:14 AM
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Just like ants 💪
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 09:00 AM
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If women will take the place of men - men will have no choice but to fill the empty niche of women. And roles will be reversed.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 08:59 AM
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Correct. You can't just walk away from a society you are living in. It defines your reality whether you like it or not. "Just ignore" is not an option when you have to face it everywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 04:16 PM
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I get your point, but again from my experience - men and women are so fundametally different, that if men didn't desire women - they would not even talk to them (which is what often happens pre-puberty, when there is no romance/sex involved - boys play with boys and want nothing with girls, and girls stay away from boys, of course there are rare situational exceptions). I doubt a man can truly understand a woman on a deep level (required for "real" friendship) - in a way another woman can. Same …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 04:48 PM
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Go to cuddle parties.
/r/seduction20/05/25 12:36 PM
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Hm, you're kind of right. Nice catch.
/r/seduction20/05/25 12:18 PM
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Great motivational speech, you sold me the idea. But what comes next? What are those skills you mention and how to build them?
/r/seduction20/05/25 12:16 PM
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Practice shows that in most cases such "friendship" means one hopes for more while the other doesn't. But you need to define friendship. Casual friendship, like seeing each other once a week and saying Hello wassup - yes, that one is possible. Regular one-on-one meetups, chatting or talking over phone till 2 AM, having their back no matter what - no, not possible without building sexual tension. If you want to prove me wrong - right now, call your male "friend" and say you're horny and want them…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 11:16 AM
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True, there has been a research that showed male muscle size is correlated to the chance his woman cums in bed.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 10:48 AM
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If you’re attractive, your women friends will set you up with her other friends. They will not. You getting into a relationship means you have less time and attention to give to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 06:57 PM
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Well, if you want a rich man and get into a relationship with someone who is poor, how is that not your own fault? However, if all women start believing they are entitled to 10% top rich men, then it causes male loneliness epidemic, because all men cannot be top 10% by definition. So it becomes a social problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 05:18 PM
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Don't think it will change much, however the guy who suggests that girls and guys switch places - would score some bonus points. And trust me, there will be such guy, so you better beat him to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 11:46 AM
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It's about phrasing your wants in a polite and acceptable way. Being too direct about it, like "I only date men over 6ft" might be considered rude and improper. But "I deserve only the best men" wouldn't. And 6ft man is certainly better than 5'7", by women's standards. So it's the same in practice.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 08:44 AM
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I don't think lonely men think women owe them something but choose to withhold it. But it's also not fair to blame it all on men. Modern society creates conditions where women are inclined to exhibit certain patterns of behavior and thinking, that increase the % of men not interesting and visible to women. Doesn't mean women are bad. Bad or good - are moral judgements. Stating facts and finding connections between cause and effect - is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 07:40 AM
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Hm, where I live speedating looks like this: girls are sitting at their individual tables wearing numbers, every 5 minutes a bell rings and guys get up and move on to the next table in line. So at the end of the event, everyone spent 5 minutes talking to every other participant of the opposite sex. Then girls and guys write down numbers which they liked, and their contacts are sent to people wearing those numbers. So nobody really knows anything, other than who liked them. It's hidden and anonym…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 07:22 PM
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Okay, then no woman will go for it and you will be left alone. Easy-cheesy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 12:28 PM
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If it's the only thing you care about - there are plenty of such guys here and on incel forums.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 12:10 PM
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The trick is - that in order to get one women, you need to adopt skills and qualities that will make you attractive to many women. Because women are very much similar in their wants. There is even a saying "women want what other women want". Like, when picking clothes women consider what other women are wearing. Same goes for choosing occupations. They see pictures of their friends holding a bouquet of flowers - and start nagging their boyfriend that he doesn't bring her flowers. They are simply…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 12:05 PM
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Replace sex with cuddles and intimacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 09:56 AM
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Because sex and intimacy are amazing and among basic human needs, and it can make you really frustrated when you can get it, especially when someone else can get it by snapping their fingers.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 09:55 AM
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It starts with friendship, then friend zone and becoming her driver and "girlfriend with a dick" while she is having fun with a pretty boy. If there is no initial spark (aka "let's be friends"), it is not going to magically appear down the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 09:30 AM
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You avoided the remark about you not being in love with other people posessing the same qualities as your beloved man, which proves you didn't mention the things about him, that ACTUALLY made you in love. And that's totally fine and expected. Most women are unaware of why they really fell in love with specific man. Or if they are aware - they are too embarassed to admit. And comfort and excitement can coexist. That's exactly what I wrote above, and you dare call me a "fucking nihilist". Ha-ha ))…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 03:12 PM
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I love him because he makes me laugh, he's rational, as I said, he cares about me and his family I'm sure there are at least a few other people in your life who match this description, but you don't love them. Which means you are leaving something out, about this specific person whom you do love. Something that makes him stand out. Comfortable isn't a bad thing It is, if there is nothing else but comfort. When comfort is combined with excitement - it is great. But comfort in many cases is antago…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 08:00 AM
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You might like that he is predictable and rational, BUT do you actually love him BECAUSE of it? Or do you love him because he's a great and capable man, achiever, protector, leader, problem-solver, captain to your ship, hero of your wet dreams, white knight to your inner little princess... ...AND it's also nice that he's safe and not making your overly anxious or afraid. He's predictable just enough to make you comfortable, but not so that things stop being exciting. Like, you still want to feel…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 02:26 PM
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How do you know? Did you ever meet one?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 10:30 AM
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Unicorns do exist. That's up to you to find them urself but they exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 07:24 AM
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Find us a woman who is not put away by predictability and rationality.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 12:14 PM
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Average women may settle for average men when they realize they can't get the top guy to commit. But her nature still longs for the top guy, just how our bio-programming works. Same as guy will long for the next pretty fertile girl even if he's happily married. Doesn't mean he will do it, but he will at least entertain the idea before throwing it away.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 10:49 AM
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What you're saying is as much your experience. I doubt you have solid proof.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 10:43 AM
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It's natural order of events. The biggest baddest male makes most females pregnant, so that his strong genes are passed over to the next generation. Of course we have rockets and computers now, but deep in our subconscious we are still monkeys. And for most people, mating strategies are coming from there.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 10:26 AM
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why not? When you're competing for a girl, your competition includes Tinder dudes, Instagram dudes and any other dudes who want a piece of the girl. So it actually kind of has bearing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 10:08 AM
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women can have sex with whoever they want, just don't expect it automatically means commitment
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 10:05 AM
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they want to believe he loves her, just is emotionally unavailable and fears his feelings. But she can cure him, and they will be happy forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 10:04 AM
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It doesn’t matter what babies find soothing. But it does. It proves that what humans find attractive - is programmed at physical level, before any social conditioning can happen. It is biological, not social construct. And in biology there is no "everyone is pretty in their own way". Biology is absolute, not relative. Most adults have a type through experience which is subjective. Oh yeah, a guy can be into goth girls. But when you show him a hot fit chick who is not goth, and a fat chick with b…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 05:48 PM
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A lot of women would rather share a Ferrari, than own a Honda. That's what popular psychology "You are 10/10 and deserve only the best" creates - there is not enough of "the best" for everyone, so you either share or settle for something "second best". Some women prefer "no relationship", but in practical terms it often means they are not in a committed relationship and can sleep around as much as they want. ONS does not count as "relationship". Now, imagine they didn't have that option... Of co…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 05:44 PM
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Weeeeellll, if women are faced with lack of optionality in dating and relationship, maybe they would become more open to average guys trying to get their phone number. Remember the law of economics: scarcity transfers to value. That's why diamonds cost more than water. Make water scarce and see its price skyrocket.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 12:34 PM
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Looks are not very subjective. There were experiments where they showed pictures of attractive and ugly people to babies, and babies who can't talk yet - were focusing on pretty faces for longer periods. So they already have some notion of beauty and are attracted to it. It's not like different babies would focus on different faces.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 11:17 AM
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Interesting, what are women bringing to the table in your opinion that wouldn't be cheaper and easier for men to get elsewhere?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 10:57 AM
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You're right that men are easily replaceable, and understanding that you can be easily replaced - makes men less willing to invest in a particular relationship. Because all that investment can be gone in an instant, just because of a single stupid word or mistake. It's like upgrading a rented car that can be taken from you any moment, who in their right mind would do that?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 04:58 PM
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This and much, much more. ChatGPT is already doing a decent job as therapist.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 08:08 PM
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AI can already chat with you as a buddy, give it another decade and you will not know who you're chatting with - a bot or a person.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 08:07 PM
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Kind of got tired. I'm bad at reading social ques and coming up with friendly ways to approach and flirt, and at this point I don't want to feel uncomfortable and make others uncomfortable. But I wish all the best to the brave souls that are willing to jump into that river and possibly freeze their a$$es off )))
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 06:45 PM
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Putting yourself out there is a good first step, and it can be enough if you're moderately attractive lady or a very attractive guy. But for most guys and a portion of ladies - it will not work. I'm speaking as a "normie" (average guy) who tried all kind of social gatherings. People just chill and do their things, they will not approach you first.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 06:24 PM
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Well, feeling "desired and wanted" is in the head of the man, so I think it's possible to trick yourself into feeling it via something similar to suspension of disbelief, which helps you enjoy movies and video games even though they are showing imaginary things that are impossible in reality. Or tamagochi devices simulating real-life pets. While not a perfect solution, it can be an effective coping mechanism. And probably addictive - like porn, but much worse (because the experience is custom ta…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 06:20 PM
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How many friends do you have? Did you mean tiktok/insta subscribers? Friends are almost obsolete concept nowadays.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 03:13 PM
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Going out is not enough. Men need to actively engage, advertise themselves, fail, face rejection (sometimes rude), try again and again, disappoint enough women, until they finally meet the right person and push the right buttons. Which may happen tomorrow, in a year, or in the next century.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 03:11 PM
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"how do we fix this issue?" Ai-powered sex-dolls :)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 03:08 PM
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No matter how hard you try, there will always be someone who beats you. If not today, then tomorrow. Nobody can be an uncontested champion all of his life.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 03:04 PM
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If men are complaining about the dating scene more than women, it means there are more men who are not happy with their dating prospects then women. It means that either there are more single women who are happy to be single (which is fine), or women are okay sharing the top-guys who "meet their expectations", while normal guys are left with nothing. Anyway, what's the issue? If women are happy as is (since they do not complain about dating scene that much), then there is no problem. Let whining…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 03:01 PM
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How do you define which men are "losers", and do you consider women who meet those criteria to be "losers" too? Cuz if you don't it's sexism.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 02:58 PM
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It's not wrong, but if she goes after the same man whom all her friends want - she needs to understand it will be tough to secure him in a committed relationship. As long as she's realistic about it - I don't see any problem. Women totally have the right to share some top-1% man.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 02:56 PM
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The problem with this approach is - women tell men they want them to do better in specific areas (be a better person, kind, caring, go to therapy, basically become a "nice guy"), but then they ditch and ignore the "nice guy" who became everything they asked for, and date and sleep with a dude who is nothing like that but is 6'+ with a six-pack, nartcissistic and treats everyone like sh*t. If women really picked "nice guys" - there would be so much more nice men, it's just how natural selection w…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 02:51 PM
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It used to be true, however nowadays with social networks and Instagram and TikTok, everyone has access to everyone. Girl with sexy bikini photos can DM some celebrity in a different country and have a good chance he will respond.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 12:28 PM
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you're genuinely retarded if you can call someone genuinely retarded when their views different from yours
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 11:30 AM
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How do you actually achieve that? If you de-value the negative outcome, like it doesn't matter if she rejects you - then you lose motivation to do anything. What's the point, when you don't care either way.
/r/seduction04/05/25 07:47 AM
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And the best for you is totally for you to decide. Who cares what the “perceived best” to anyone else is? If your perceived option is someone else's best option as well, you are now in a race with that person to secure this best option. Which means you have to put more effort, while the "best option" has more power (because he/she has more optionality than you) and doesn't need to put that much effort. They are fine with or without you, while you are not fine without them (you will have to get b…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 05:45 PM
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I feel sorry for you, but let's not mix child abuse and adult assault. Child of any gender has little knowledge of how to protect themselves within the confinement of their own home. My point is, in modern civilized post-"metoo" society, there are not so many scenarios where a grown healthy woman would be in greater danger than a man under the same circumstances, and with no means of protecting herself. If you think I'm wrong, maybe you can educate me and describe some of such scenarios? Oh, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 03:14 PM
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This is literally the first time I hear men expect something special from a woman in bed. Most men are just glad and grateful to be in bed with someone who is a woman. But I guess there is a portion of men who would have unrealistic expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 08:14 AM
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I agree that talking is a great first step, but many women expect man to be capable and tuned to her likings in bed - by default. Like we're born with this knowledge. Nobody wants to teach men basic things - after all, women are in it for fun and excitement, and showing the ropes to a newbie is not fun or exciting. Kudos to women who are willing to do that anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 07:08 AM
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I agree it happens, but if a man tries to tell anyone about it - he will be laughed at. Everyone just assumes there is no "unwanted sexual attention" for men from women, because men are perceived as horny animals who would f*ck anything animate.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 06:58 AM
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So what? How does it invalidate my conclusion that distribution of attractiveness is skewed and "perceived best" partners is the same minority, even if you ask different people?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 06:56 AM
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YOU cannot speak to this with ANY kind of knowledge or experience unless YOU are a fucking woman. Do you have any specific response and argument, aside from personal insults? If no, then I wish you a good day.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 06:53 AM
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Yeah, but you don't know that until you marry them and spend a few years with them, right? And no one will know. So we're left with picking partners based on attraction - how we like them, how they make us feel. And those qualities are pretty universal. Show 100 guys to 100 ladies, ask them who they like, and you will get far from even distribution. Let those 100 ladies talk to 100 guys, ask them again - answers will probably change, but even then you will have very skewed distribution. And that…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 06:45 PM
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Unfortunately, practice shows that if a person is attractive to you/me, there is a high chance they will be attractive to many different people. That's why there are beauty pageants, for example. If you were right - then everyone would be equally beautiful and attractive, and it would be utterly impossible to define who is "the most beautiful" and agree on it. Most people will agree that actors are beautiful and attractive. Sure, there will be arguments of who is "the most attractive", but overa…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 05:56 PM
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In modern day and age, a woman can easily protect herself by screaming and calling the man a perv. Unless she's at some very bad neighborhood in a dark alley at night, which begs the question why did she go there in the first place? Even if the man didn't actually do anything and it's all totally in the ladies imagination, everyone would automatically assume some kind of harassment and violence happening and the man would be considered a perpetrator until proven otherwise. Presumed innocence is …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 11:57 AM
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There is no notion of "unwanted sexual behavior" from woman to a man, though. If a man says he received unwanted sexual behavior from a woman, he will be laughed at. "You got lucky mate, everyone would trade places with you, why are you complaining?"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 11:54 AM
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there are not enough "best" people for everyone, so there is high chance you will have to share
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 11:35 AM
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Of course he wouldn't ACTIVELY chase other women, since women come to him of their own desire. Why would he bother actively doing anything? He just enjoys female attention and optionality - "passively"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 11:33 AM
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You don't say, these poorlings always make new excuses to not be millionaires, it is literally so easy, you got hundreds of online-courses that can make a rich man literally out of everyone, just make a sliver of effort! But no, they just complain, soooo annoying, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 10:54 AM
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Well you can't learn to be great in bed without much in hand experience. And you won't get much experience until you're great in bed. It's the egg-vs-chicken dilemma. The guy needs to learn before he gets any good, but nobody wants to be his learning project.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 09:55 AM
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Because people learn to become kind and emotionally available by facing consequences of being unkind and emotionally unavailable. However, when you're hot and funny - people of the opposite sex will forgive you more. Hence, you don't need to learn anything. This is exactly why many hot women are nuts. Nobody will ever correct them when they are wrong, everyone is just so kind and welcoming, and they think whole world is probably like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 09:33 AM
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Well, then he got very lucky I guess. Ask guys around here if they get much approached by girls. You say this guy is just the same as the other guys who do not get approached in social settings? So what's the difference between us and him?
/r/seduction02/05/25 07:35 AM
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I will let someone else be the judge of whether what you call "not a cold approach" is actually that. To me approaching a girl (or girls) you find attractive and who doesn't know you - is definition of cold approach.
/r/seduction02/05/25 07:32 AM
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This isn’t a cold approach in the sense of approaching a girl with the intention of getting with her. It was a warm approach because the intention was “just chatting”… You could "just chat" with some old lady while helping her cross the street, but instead you chose young pretty girls. To "jus chat". Sure thing, dude, we believe you)) It's a known mind trick you do to diffuse the tension, but make no mistake, it doesn't really change the nature of your interaction - just your perception of it.
/r/seduction01/05/25 07:43 PM
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Well, hate to cut, it but girls never approach a man who is unattractive, so your "far from handsome" just is not true (he might not look handsome to you, but the girls certainly found him handsome enough to shoot their shot) Most dudes have never been approached by a woman in their whole life (unless she was a promoter or doing some kind of prank).
/r/seduction01/05/25 07:38 PM
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I'm not jealous of you, but I know that in the long term what you did is not effective. It’s like a basketball team playing without a strategy; they might score a few times, but winning is unlikely because, in the long run, it’s not effective. I think it's like playing music - you need to learn the basics and the notes, until you're so good that notes and techniques become part of you and you don't think about them at all, you just think of tunes and music in your head - and "magically" it comes…
/r/seduction01/05/25 02:36 PM
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This friend of mine is far from handsome and still got with multiple of these girls. Did they approach him first though? Because that's the idea of "passive attraction". Passive, as in - you just show up and don't do anything intentional.
/r/seduction01/05/25 02:31 PM
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But right next to us was a table full of university girls, like a dozen of them, clearly out celebrating something. Intimidating as hell. My friend went to the restroom. And I don’t know what clicked in me, but I just stood up and went over. Approached the entire table solo. But not in a “gamey” way, just went up to them with the idea of getting to know them. No clever opener, no performance. Just walked up, said hi, and let the vibe build. Well done, but explain to me how is that not a cold app…
/r/seduction01/05/25 02:29 PM
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Oh my, basing your worldview off a video game where a guy just gets into any car he wants and starts driving it like crazy, and machine guns are lying around in every garbage can... That's an amazing idea!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 11:38 AM
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Men with "I'll take what I can get" mentality - are not recognized as men by women, so your post really stuns them. Like M.Sartain said there are 3 human species: female, high-value men, and ordinary men. What woman assume about men - is based on their experience with high-value men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 10:06 AM
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do you have any proof for that claim?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 10:41 AM
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I saw some video about women who had to undergo testosterone therapy, and when their libido went through the roof - they were like "Oh now I understand why men are like that..." And that's when they still have only a small % of what average man has in his system.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 10:20 AM
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The real question is: do guys who get more liked by women - treat women better, or the guys who treat women better - are more liked by women? It's like "people who are paid a lot of money - think better of rich people, who pay them a lot of money". What a surprise.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 07:46 PM
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How is it related to what I wrote? Are you just trying to insult me and the guys here?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 08:43 AM
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I'd argue that. Males "get ripe" later than females, it's scientifically proven. Guys in their 20s may still have acne and other teenage stuff. Many of them lack discipline and knowledge to work on their appearance. Like, working out in a gym, skincare routine, finding their style in clothes (and having enough money to buy it), etc. Also, from female POV, "raw attractiveness" is not just physical parameters. It is also how you carry yourself. You can have body of an athelete, but if you're shy, …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 01:56 PM
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No, because men's SMV tops after 30, it is a normal process - takes time to get everything women are attracted to. Young guys normally don't have enough money, status, knowledge, experience...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 11:53 AM
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but you will not be competing only against guys of your age... you will have to compete against all guys desiring the same woman
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 11:52 AM
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Or they party hard (which is a serious temptation for hot young girls) and waste their health and beauty.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 11:50 AM
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More like much higher. And even people not thinking about cheating - might start thinking under some circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 10:28 AM
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The "best" (most experienced and efficient) cheaters look like they would never cheat. That's one of the reasons why they are so "successful".
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 10:26 AM
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Based on what signs you can identify with high degree of certainty that certain men will cheat or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 10:24 AM
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Do you know that many men that closely that you would bet your yearly savings they would never ever cheat?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 10:22 AM
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Maybe because you're a woman and have no clue how women treat their male partners? It's like "when water was discovered, it was not a fish who did it".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 07:26 PM
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I hope you can say it to the girls - that they're "Fucking delusional and dont know how to grow up". But no, those words are reserved for "f*cking men", ain't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 07:13 PM
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I think most men have been in a situation when you are at some social gathering with your gf and there is some Chad, and suddenly she gets all flirty and laughing at his jokes and staring at him in absolute awe.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 09:16 AM
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But don't women resort to argument "Why can't you be like my ex who did this and this? Oh I shouldn't have left him for such a miserable POS as you"
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 09:13 AM
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No offense, but a woman will never understand it. For man, rejection of a young fertile woman is proclamation that he's not worthy to reproduce. Because it is women deciding who gets to reproduce and who doesn't. Games of our subconscious nature, but it hurts anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 09:12 AM
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Absolutely this!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 09:09 AM
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What if a person's standards are too high and unachievable? Should they lower their standards? But lowering standards = settling 🙂
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 08:57 AM
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The person above just stated men should worry about becoming more "dateable" which means adapting to what ladies want to see in men. How is that not worrying about what others think?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 11:04 AM
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Yes the hippies were mainstream Next time do a basic search before posting BS to rpove your point and embarassing yourself. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_hippie_movement The hippie subculture (also known as the flower people)... It's a subculture, for f's sake. Do I need to explain what is a subculture, too? Like, they are as mainstream as emo or goth. Way to go, professor!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 08:05 PM
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Right in the middle of the hippie movements and free love and the feminist revolution. But hippie weren't mainstream, were they? Like, 90% of women were hippie and could go anywhere they wanted and be approached there by 90% of men who were also hippie? Doesn't look true to me. This is the problem with the red pill. It’s been around for almost 20 years so they’re talking points of “60 years ago“ is now two decades out of date. Red pill came up as response to the rise of social networks (which he…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 02:24 PM
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Let me explain it in very simple terms. Imagine you're sitting across the highway, watching cars passing by, and you're allowed to pick one car among the last 300 to make it yours. Nice, isn't it? Now imagine you're alowed to pick one among the next 300 000. In which case you are more likely to end up with a better car? Now, imagine all those cars WANT to be yours, because you're such a great driver, and actively pursue you. In which case you would feel more "high-value" and entitled? And please…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 02:17 PM
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Men have higher salary overall but childless women actually outearn childless men. Having children influences your career, nothing to do with sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 01:23 PM
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Makes sense. Hard to drive a used old Honda after sitting in a luxury class Mercedes. It's easy to get used to the good stuff especially when society keeps telling you deserve it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 01:20 PM
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Let's go 60-70 years back, was it so common for random guys to approach a girl walking in the street with her friends? I suppose it was not common for women to just go places alone without any escort during those times.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 11:45 AM
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