Why ranking people 1–10 doesn’t really work.

throwaway164_3 · 2026-04-21T15:48:04+00:00

The reason you’re wrong is because the traits that each sex is attracted to isn’t random but has been shaped by evolutionary biology and sexual selection.

So although there’s no “top trait” the interaction between various factors does lead to a distribution in attractiveness.

Mathematically it’s the central limit theorem. When you have a additive effect of many small factors, the resulting distribution is Gaussian

When you start looking at the preferences of a large sample size of women, it tends to form a well defined distribution.

For example, in a large sample size of women, most will prefer taller men vs shorter men. You’ll have a few outlier individuals who won’t, but the redpill talks about aggregate/median behavior of large groups of people

Most women and men are utterly predictable in who they’re attracted to and sleep with lol

Zabadoodude · 2026-04-21T15:36:34+00:00

Sure, it's not 100% perfect, but it works most of the time.

Whenever I see a couple in real life they are almost always within 2 points of attractiveness of each other. The only exceptions are if the man is rich or they've been together for decades and one of them aged worse than the other.

-Shes-A-Carnival · 2026-04-21T15:15:58+00:00

women only have 3 ratings for men, visibly attractive, invisible (could become attractive or unattractive wihen made visible with interaction) and visibly ugly. attempts to parse it out into numbers is useless autism

k0unitX · 2026-04-21T17:05:34+00:00

People don’t choose partners, friends, or opportunities based on one thing. They look at a mix: personality, confidence, humor, values, how someone makes them feel, and many other factors. There’s no single “top trait” that always wins.

I've banged enough women who don't even speak English to know this really doesn't hold weight. Women will say all of these things matter, but in reality, there is nothing a 5'0 balding Indian guy can do or say or have that will make the average Western woman swoon over them. There is a minimum bar you need to clear, genetics-wise, then the ancillary stuff can start to matter. Good genetics is absolutely the "top trait".

Also, small differences don’t matter as much as people think. Being a bit richer, taller, or better looking doesn’t guarantee better outcomes in life, because timing, social circle, personality, and pure chance also play big roles.

This is objectively false. The great thing about money and height is that they are extremely objective, and have been studied a quite a bit - any peer-reviewed research paper will tell you that height and money do matter. Please find me one that doesn't, with a large, verifiable sample size. I'll wait.

And people change. What someone wants at 20 is not what they want at 30. Opportunities and relationships often depend on the moment, not a fixed ranking of people.

Men, of all ages, statistically, want a woman who physically appears to be 18-27. 'No one' cares about what women want at 30, to be honest, and 'no one' is optimizing for that. In fact, many men find it "embarrassing" that women started approaching them in their 30s, after being rejected during the woman's "prime", because they weren't "good enough" back then, (probably genetically), but are now, since they weren't able to secure their dream partner and are coming to the realization that their dream partner would always go for someone younger than her.

So life is not a simple competition with clear winners and losers. It’s messy, flexible, and depends on many different things at once and not just one score.

Nah - the winners are the ones who got "prime" women back when they're young and still now even though they're old. The "losers" are everyone else.

Muscletov · 2026-04-21T15:32:24+00:00

There are outliers and exceptions everywhere, but overall physical and mental traits can be ranked very easily according to their general attractiveness. And I think it's especially true for male traits because women are less varied in their tastes, contradictory cultural narratives notwithstanding.

Though I agree that distilling it into a definite score is difficult and reductive. It's better to think of it as a matter of probability. The more statistically attractive traits you have, the more romantic and sexual oppurtunities are available to you.

There's also "compounding interest" on traits, both positively and negatively. The most glaring example would be the Halo/Horn effect, i.e. beautiful people are perceived to have better personalities and vice versa.

bzl33 · 2026-04-21T15:59:59+00:00

But in reality, it doesn’t work that way.

except it does work that way. It might not be 1-10, it might be 1-5. It might be 0-1. You are ranked by people and algorithms and this determines a lot in your life.

People push the idea that life is random because they don't want to admit they lack a lot of control over outcome.

AngelEyes_9 · 2026-04-21T16:31:46+00:00

Ranking people 1–10 looks-wise (face, height, body – frame, muscles and body fat) works. The only problem is men believe it's linear (every decile consists of approx. same amount of people) while women rate a guy who is relatively a percentile 70 as a 5/10 and a guy who is a percentile 85 7/10. Men think that a guy who's a percentile 75 is a 7,5/10. That's where all the misunderstanding comes from.

Demasii · 2026-04-21T15:57:06+00:00

Ranking is not suppose to work at the individual level. It's to catagorize individuals into a group to see if there are any overall trend for that group.

ThorLives · 2026-04-21T16:03:52+00:00

I think that the 1-10 scale is somewhat imprecise - it's not an objective measurement like height or weight. However, it has some validity.

In general, you can expect people's "rating" to be plus or minus 2 points, depending on what person is looking at them. A person who might be a "5" could be seen as anywhere from a 3-7, depending on the person. Sure, there's some value in how well you vibe with someone. Also, some traits tend to be perceived as positive or negative, depending on the viewer. Tattoos are a lot like that. Put a person on a dating site with lots of tattoos. Some people will think it's hot. Some people will see it as a total turn-off.

But the fact that people have idiosyncratic preferences doesn't mean the whole scale is wrong in a general way.

Sometimes I think the best relationships are ones where people value each other more than other people value them. If you have two people who are a "5", but they both see each other as a "7", then they both feel like they won, and that can lead to a good relationship.

Most of what I see in the dating world is based on "leagues". That doesn't mean that everyone always dates within their league all the time. But people tend to ignore people who they perceive to be in a "lower league", and try to get the attention of people in a "higher league" (while those people mostly ignore them).

I can tell you for a fact that unattractive women are much more likely to be attracted to me than attractive women are. Why is that - if not for "leagues" or a vague notion of a 1-10 scale? Do you think I somehow "vibe" better with the unattractive women? That simply isn't true. Some unattractive women are attracted to me before they even talk to me. And most attractive women have already decided they aren't attracted to me before I even talk to them.

Feeling_Ad_1034 · 2026-04-21T14:29:06+00:00

“Doesn’t really work” is such a vague low effort point

The reason people rank anything on a scale is because for the particular context, it works.

Typically when guys do it to girls, it’s based on physical attractiveness at that particular point in time.

“She used to be an 8 until 3 years ago” easily accommodates your “people change objection”

Even in popular culture, the “she’s a 9 but she likes pineapple on her pizza” can get humor value by calling to the ranking system that most of society acknowledges exists, even if they have objections to it.

So it really depends on what you mean by “doesn’t really work”. And pointing out exceptions to rules is weak what about-ism.

What is the overall point you are trying to make?

Gravel_Roads · 2026-04-21T15:06:06+00:00

I have to assume this is what happens when you’re raised by video games.

They think of “attractiveness” as though it’s a stat, and as long as they have a high stat, they “win”.

But they seem to think they’ll just… sit there silently across the table from their partner and all they have to is “be attractive” and they assume their girlfriend will just sit there and be happy staring at them silently all night.

It also manifests in how they think about sex and the constant need to “rank top score” for any sexual experience their partner has ever had, because they can’t fathom that people like different kinds of sex depending on how they feel, so there is no “one single great experience, which has to be reproduced identical each time.”

BobtheArcher2018 · 2026-04-21T16:03:43+00:00

The various forms of quantitative ranking work fine if you use them properly. But people do tend to start mistaking the map for the terrain and overinvesting in the ranking systems.

Training-Cook3507 · 2026-04-21T16:08:50+00:00

People think about others differently. They often have some kind of ranking in their minds. A number scale is an analogy for it. That's it. You don't need to think about it as deliberately as you do, and most people don't.

SeemedGood · 2026-04-21T20:20:07+00:00

Bucketing and probabilistic analysis based on it is not about determining certainty of outcome, it’s about estimating probabilistic outcomes.

Outside_Memory5703 · 2026-04-21T20:27:23+00:00

It does, if you’re mainly concerned about sex/looks and little else

And many people are

GroundbreakingAct388 · 2026-04-21T20:45:27+00:00

you might be a 10 in someone eyes and a 0 in other person eyes, but this does NOT mean the scales dont work, it just means everyone has a chance in life, the person who's a 5 will be playing bingo though, while the person who's a 1 will be playing in the lottery

Going by average can result in mistakes yes, but it helps to guess how a random person would perceive you

bluestjuice · 2026-04-21T22:59:51+00:00

I tend to agree with this. I think it might be possible to model this by getting really granular, quantifying everything and weighting it, and then combining everything into one aggregate score? But ultimately there would still be quite a bit of error because different people would have different weighting systems. And all of it might not matter ultimately because there is the human attraction factor. People often fall hard for someone who is a little different from the person they would have crafted as their theoretical perfect match.

I've also theorized that it might be possible to quantify people's desirability on the basis of how many people of their preferred gender are attracted to them -- this would probably have to be more limited in scope, based on video or brief interactions or something, but if you were able to get a large enough sample size of, say, women, and make them rate each man on a binary interested/not interested metric, you could score each man by the percentage of women who rated him a yes, and then probably chart those percentages to see trends. In this model a man who scores a 96.4% would be desired by 96.4% of all the women. I think this would be interesting data to peruse (though the scale you'd need would be large enough to make it probably impractical). I'd be curious to see what sort of distribution turned up.

MissMenace101 · 2026-04-22T03:38:11+00:00

Only people I have seen ranking people is men angry they can’t get laid

Due_Appointment_1188 · 2026-04-22T05:37:40+00:00

Being a bit richer, taller, or better looking doesn’t guarantee better outcomes in life

Correct. And being a bit poorer, shorter, or uglier doesn't guarantee you die alone in a studio flat in Slough.

you've discovered that water is wet and probability isn't destiny. You've just used the most tired rhetorical sleight of hand in the universe: intentionally confusing does not guarantee with does not correlate.

A 195cm investment banker doesn't guarantee he pulls a Victoria's Secret model any more than owning an umbrella guarantees you stay dry. But if it's pissing rain in Manchester, I know who's walking into the pub looking like a drowned rat and who isn't.

So life is not a simple competition with clear winners and losers. It’s messy

Life is a normal distribution. Yes, there are outliers, but if you're building a dating strategy around being the statistical anomaly, you're just buying lottery tickets not being philosophical or intellectual

What someone wants at 20 is not what they want at 30

You're not what she wants at 30, you're what she can get. Grats, you're the compromise.

3stun · 2026-04-22T10:25:41+00:00

It depends on how you identify the 1-10 scale. You could ask 100 000 women to rank 100 male photos 1 to 10. Or just sort into groups "super hot", "somewhat hot", "okay", "meh", "won't touch with a 6ft pole". And then you will have objective (because it is derived from statistically sufficient number of respondents) estimate of male attractiveness. And you can assume with high degree of reliability that if you ask 1000 women not included in this research the same question, they will give similar answers. A man ranked 10 by first group will not be ranked 1 by the second group.

People are not so different as you think. They are somewhat different in their preferences, but there are still objective trends and common ground.

-mixedsignals · 2026-04-21T16:24:13+00:00

Beauty can't be measured objectively, that's lesson 1 when you enter graphic design school.

Math makes the illusion that things are in control, like a scientist doing predictable experiments in controlled environments.

And then when they see that in real life SMV math doesn't add up, they get mad at people, instead of reevaluating the method.

pie-mart · 2026-04-21T17:26:40+00:00

Yeah I agree. Someone who is a 10 for me is an absolute 0 for someone else.

I legit think the men my friend dates are ugly. Not just not for me. But ugly. But hey, she is really attracted to them

I think men really create this narrative of what women find attractive then hang us up for it.

I can also objectively see a man is a "10" but also just not be that into it.

Then another man I see is super attractive but a few other people will be like ewww noooo. So 🤷‍♀️

autistic_cool_kid · 2026-04-21T14:45:47+00:00

People don’t choose partners, friends, or opportunities based on one thing.

Redpillers do. They base the value of a woman almost exclusively on looks, then wonder why they get rejected after chasing women who are clearly incompatible with them.

Or if they actually manage to date them, they wonder why it's going badly.

When you see women as trophies with a number on it, you're not actually interacting with a person, and your relationship can't flourish.

(mandatory "not all redpillers", some get lucky and find girls they actually like sometimes)

jsf_idk · 2026-04-22T00:18:45+00:00

100%. My last bf was way beyond my league, I guess a 9/10 “on paper” (he was tall, ripped, handsome face, great salary, mostly kind towards me) but I never felt in love with him. I wanted so bad to make it work, but I only “liked” him. Had to break up after I realised I just didn’t enjoy being around him that much.

About a year after that relationship, I met a man who made half his income, was not objectively good-looking but more “my type”… We just connected on a different level and I was head over heels. Just really, really in love.

I think our brain picks who we fall in love with based unconscious associations (types of looks, voice, behavior) tied to past positive experiences. On top of that, there is the context of right place, right mood, right life phase. So two objectively “great” people can feel completely different, because attraction isn’t logical… it’s your brain quietly running a compatibility + chemistry equation you don’t fully control.

Axis_Control · 2026-04-21T14:36:52+00:00

Rankings and this idea of "chads" and 20/80 is ridiculous and cringy as far as I'm concerned.

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KayRay1994 · 2026-04-21T14:30:01+00:00

I think to some extent you’re right, and as a concept I do think reducing people to numbers ain’t it as the ‘pills’ do it, I’m gonna push back against “it doesn’t work cause people value different things” because these scales have always been subjective. Sure, some dudes like to act like they’re objective laws but in all reality it’s them who haven’t learned the difference between the 2.

I’ll give you an example, and this might be a bit of a non sequester, but I think you’ll see the connection I’m making. When asking a patient to rank their pain. Usually being “0 is no pain and 10 is worst pain of your life” - the nurse isn’t asking for a real objective scaling on your pain because what “worst pain of my life” to me might mean something entirely different to you. Or even with entertainment review rankings. A 7 to one wrist is very different from a 7 with the other.

My point is, 1-10 works in a casual, fully subjective lens when people who know each tower are shooting the shit and talking. “They’re an 8” means something when I know the person this is coming from - but then when you get to looksmaxxing places, “rate me for real” spots, incel/RP “ObJeCtIvE EvaLuATiOns!!1” and so on, these scales lose all meaning because they’re trying to make a subjective interpretation into objective fact, which not only is reductive but also harmful to the person and who they’re talking about

AreOut · 2026-04-21T14:34:21+00:00

blame Arabs for the decimal system

Title	Why ranking people 1–10 doesn’t really work.
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