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Why are ya’ll obsessed with lowering standards as a mantra?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 02:33 AM

Okay yeah, you don’t know what identification means here. From a writing standpoint point in particular - a protagonist is written as the vessel of the themes of the story, whether the author agrees with those themes or whether you’re meant to agree with them is irrelevant (cause this isn’t always the case). Twilight is written as a fantasy (to be clear fantasy as in the idealized imagination of the person, not the genre) of being someone receiving all this attention from this powerful being - e…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:17 PM

Right, so you took my framing of ‘you’re’ absolutely literally in good faith and have no clue what writing for reader identification is? Sorry for assuming you had a level of media literacy I guess I called your argument bad faith because I assumed you were intelligent enough to know what identifying with a narrative is, but if you simply don’t know what that is then sorry for assuming, your argument was in good faith. Now return to the point at hand cause now you’ve moved us to a tangent
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:11 PM

Damn here I was thinking you were actually coming at me with good faith. Obviously I’m not either of the characters, but in a story, in particular ones based around personal fantasy (like twilight), a huge part of the story is identifying with the protagonist. No, you’re not literally Bella, but you’re reading the story to experience these things through Bella, “you’re” is short hand for the role you play as the reader within the fantasy embodying the role of the protagonist. I’m just saying, I …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:06 PM

Twilight is also relentlessly mocked and made fun of, and fast forward nearly a couple of decades it is enjoyed, but it isn’t taken seriously. Also, in the 2000s critiquing age gap relationships was considered to be a more niche thing, it has only been legit taken seriously the past decade plus I do think there is a world of difference between the story being from the pov of the younger person vs the older person. Like I wonder if stories about a younger man dating a thousands year old being has…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:01 PM

It has to do with social narratives, power and positioning. To be clear, I don’t read dark romance nor am I even a fan (tbh I find myself at this place of indifference towards it) - as are many women (in fact most people critiquing it I’ve seen are women, where as frankly most men I’ve seen respond often don’t criticize the media or the cultural role it players, but rather they try to turn it into a mirror image of the real world - which I guess nearly goes into one of my points which I will get…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 09:45 PM

I never made any of these assertions but if that’s how you wanna take it feel free I guess
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 09:37 PM

I’m into women too (actually I prefer women, but can date men), but with that correction aside - because I would want to enjoy spending time with and connecting with my partner????? What kind of question is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 07:42 PM

And yet, there are bodies and penises (and vaginas) in abundance. Why would I settle for the bare minimum and a feature 50% of the population has? These are the least interesting parts about you tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 07:37 PM

Right, it is a form of porn consumption. I’m not gonna argue that - but also to compare a written novel (even if erotica) to recorded video porn isn’t the same and you know it, tons of data exists on why that’s the case - do some research
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 07:35 PM

In all technicality, yes - but isn’t a fantasy novel just text imagination in that case? Isn’t a comic book just words and drawings?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 07:30 PM

In all fairness, passive people are kinda boring lol Like idk what you want, do nothing get nothing lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 07:28 PM

In all fairness, this perception of women being passive receivers who do nothing isn’t really accurate. But also, literally being able to bond kinda really matters. If she isn’t trying to bond with you or be close to you to really could be as simple as she’s not into you lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 07:25 PM

Can’t bond with someone without there being a someone to bond with. Simple as that
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 07:21 PM

It has to do with social narratives, power and positioning. To be clear, I don’t read dark romance nor am I even a fan (tbh I find myself at this place of indifference towards it) - as are many women (in fact most people critiquing it I’ve seen are women, where as frankly most men I’ve seen respond often don’t criticize the media or the cultural role it players, but rather they try to turn it into a mirror image of the real world - which I guess nearly goes into one of my points which I will get…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 07:20 PM

Since I primarily date women I’ll interject. The same applied to the times that worked pre-transition too, but now it is amplified and more realized. I lean on my strengths, my off-beat humor, showing off my artistic side, being fashionable af and digging into abstract convos when each of us escalate a little bit more each time
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 05:15 PM

Yes, because I agree with you. I do believe that yea, men who act respectfully do in fact exist. This was primarily in context of me giving the previous commenter trauma that yes, I have in fact faced harassment - I didn’t have to include that another guy protected me, but I did
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 03:55 PM

“I even had a dude protect me from another dude who was particularly touch…” I feel like this little bit addresses that
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 03:44 PM

We can go back and forth on this all we want, but fact is - for myself and many trans woman is - since transitioning, especially since occasionally passing at least, gay men stopped being attracted to us and straight men began being attracted to us soooooooooooooooiio And so what….. if I haven’t been sexually harassed since puberty I therefore cannot claim that I know what it’s like? Is all womanhood is to you the extent of your suffering? Are cis women who were not harassed as younger teens the…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:42 PM

And yet, I get cat called, inappropriately touched and hit on by men who are otherwise straight. I get inappropriate messages where I do post pictures of myself and I lost privileges like being able to walk alone at night or not relying on others for protection. I even had a dude protect me from another dude who was particularly touchy on the bus a week ago. Also it isn’t uncommon for straight men to be attracted to trans women cause well… we’re women, difference is the guys who creep on us are …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:29 PM

Oh hi TERF
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:52 PM

Tbh I just don’t see it as big a deal as you do. People fuck, and sometimes whether the fuck was what they were looking for decided the future of their interactions. I don’t see the issue with that tbh What contract? Nobody signed anything, sometimes people just don’t gel in certain ways and that’s fine. This goes for divorce too btw, with these legal processes an out of some kind should (and thankfully does) exist
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 12:22 PM

I mean if you feel like you’re actively owed female attention and constantly want access to our bodies while actively comparing yourself to others who do, simultaneously acting like you’re morally superior (while ironically dismissing consent) I will then kind of have to assume you’re entitled cause this is entitled behavior
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 11:33 AM

I don’t see it that way, sometimes when you see a side of a person you’re just not feeling it. Of course, you shouldn’t rush into things - but I do think it is worth separating between genuinely leading someone on and mistakenly rushing into something
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 11:00 AM

I think I was being very clear. An example of dangling a carrot is actively implying that you want more than sex but all you’re initially interested in is sex, many other things fall into this, but actively leading someone on, giving the implication of deeper intentions and so on are all some forms of dangling a carrot. Of course, you could say “well maybe he realized he wasn’t interested after”, if you said or did things that hinted at, implied at, or showed interest in a future - then communic…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:40 AM

If she has sex with you because you actively dangle a carrot for more, you’re giving the wrong impression. Or if you lie about yourself, you’re giving the wrong impression. Basically if you’re dishonest - especially when you know any details could change her answer - you’re giving the wrong impression
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:36 AM

Some version of that existed for quite some time prior to gender equality in places like Iceland or Scandinavia - while no official unions exist, organizing does happen quite a bit That being said, I am not sure how I feel about actual unions - I don’t mind informal organizing but I also don’t like the idea of an outside body deciding how one raises their kids
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:34 AM

I mean…. A lack of communication and sudden ghosting is indeed being used, and being fed false information or being given a wrong impression so the man can have sex is called lying and could fall into coercion The rest of this is just mental gymnastic nonsense attempting to rationalize your own feelings, like no, not every woman thinks open communication is a backdoor entrance to a relationship and no, we aren’t “slutshaming ourselves” because open communication is expected even if I were to sle…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:32 AM
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Ok well I guess I’m toxic then
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 01:57 PM
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In all fairness though, I really do dislike the reduction of fashion into some aimless vapid thing. Fashion is a ton of fun to talk about and explore, in particularly when you get into color theory, how different materials fit together, the history of fashion and then you get into the DIY side of things and that’s a whole other rabbit hole
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:44 PM
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Idk, does anyone think a conversation about how your favorite sports team lost cause it’s the refs fault as being deep?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:42 PM
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I think you’ve just been called on your shit and are trying to pivot. I talk to many of the women in my life (cis and trans, if that matters) about politics, sociology, philosophy, environmental stuff, exploratory ideas, digging deep into media analysis and so on. So many women are into that stuff. Outside of my best friend, the deepest convo I’ve had with a guy is “so like, did you know you can feel how other people feel?” So is any of this not ‘deep’ enough for you? If that’s the case, please …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:41 PM
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This really feels like an attempt to validate your own sense of maintaining a sense of superiority so you don’t confront your own flaws. I’ve had more engaging social, political and philosophical convos with women than I did with men, and generally speaking female friends have been a lot more helpful and supportive. Hell, even with my transition - guess which of the two genders had left me more because of it? Men, guess who I’ve had a harder time getting help and support from in general? Men. An…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:37 PM
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Like I said, stabilize the economy and solve the climate crisis then we’ll talk about having more babies Actually watch, solve these and I guarantee you people will have more babies by choice. We don’t need to go for routes that benefit men primarily at the cost of everyone else (yeah I know that’s the quiet part and yes, I am saying it out loud for you), and at the cost of the psychological well being of well… everyone who isn’t in a position of power of some kind. I come from the Middle East a…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 06:25 PM
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LOL the victorians are responsible for so much psychological damage and created many of our unhealthy views on sex and gender. And the birth rate talk is more right wing panic than anything. Even in a society where gender identity is a full on choice most people will be straight and cis, as for having kids - maybe improve economic conditions, solve the climate crisis and ensure stability in the future then we’ll talk
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 06:18 PM
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“Stop signs” like how? What are you trying to stop? Also you basically said “it is needed because it is needed” why is it needed?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:53 PM
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I don’t subscribe to scenario 2, so no, I wouldn’t. A big reason is largely because under a society of full customisation we’d have a class who can afford to make these changes and a class of blobs because they can’t afford the commodified physical changes this fluidity would bring
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:19 PM
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I guess cause they might’ve perceived you to come at it from a transphobic pov but I will say, your take is a lot more nuanced and I actually appreciate seeing it. I admit, I might’ve misjudged where you were coming from. There are all valid concerns, that being said, medicine is all about risks v benefits. So much of whether puberty blockers are driven by how bad one’s dysphoria gets and how debilitating the changes of puberty are to the person and how heavy the puberty is expected to be. The v…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 08:38 PM
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This is happening way too often to where I feel a part of it is deliberate. Read OP’s post. He presented 2 separate scenarios on how the term ‘post gender’ is identified. He clearly states that they are different scenarios. How does the first scenario push this meaning? Or did you skim through and confidently type out a question?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 08:24 PM
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You mean the exact same made given to kids who experienced premature puberty for decades? What’s wrong with giving them time to figure it out before difficult to reverse changes start coming in? Even then, it is usually only done after a psychological evaluation and a history of at least social transition so what’s the issue?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 08:22 PM
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If you both consider each other to be friends, then you’re friends
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 08:17 PM
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Exactly, hence why I’m saying “what we describe” - because these traits in themselves would still exist, but they wouldn’t be gendered nor would they be expected towards a specific gender. When I say terms like masculine and feminine with ‘what we describe’, I am basically saying ‘since we have ideas of what this is, it sends a clear image in your head of what I’m saying’ - just cause gender as a social construct no longer exists doesn’t mean that these traits don’t exist, because the traits the…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 05:07 PM
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Except that’s not have it works. The two scenarios mentioned don’t run parallel, they’re different takes on the term and different extremes. I largely stick to the first scenario OP mentions because that’s how I view post gender as a concept applied to a realistic world (and tbh I prefer it), no enforcement of gender roles simply means you figure out what works for you and act on that. The behaviours, mannerisms and so on still exist, they’re simply not tied to gender as a social construct. Like…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 04:34 PM
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“It’s uncomfortable being the odd one out” gee I wonder why lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 04:36 AM
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And yet, people live through roles they actively feel pressured to and aren’t happy in that role every day. The same series of roles that say men won’t be viewed the same way is the same series of roles that say women have to be homemakers (hence why the expectation is frowned upon amongst men. Men view this role as shameful and inferior), why women are expected to maintain unrealistic beauty standards, why men are discouraged from expressing themselves, and that’s why gender non conformity is s…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 04:10 AM
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What can I say we’re a rowdy bunch
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 03:09 AM
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I mean if a man grows up to want to protect and defend then by all means, and the reason why is because you’re enforcing a role on someone that they might not have asked for or wanted. You’re forcing your view onto someone else. I also like that you frame it in a way that benefits you, at the cost of someone else’s autonomy…. Just thought I should bring that up
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:49 AM
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OP mentioned a spectrum of definitions, the second paragraph explains a more extreme take of it first is a more moderate take. Look at the two as separate takes of the phrase, not as the same one. What’s so wrong with the first scenario OP mentions?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:43 AM
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Oh hell yeah the OGs are growing
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:41 AM
2

Who’s playing word games? Its true. Men aren’t lesbians.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:40 AM
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So like, what other disorders do you not believe in?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:37 AM
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Luckily the second one is an extreme take of the term and just a take that falls into the far end of the post gender spectrum. And sure, most would fall into similar roles - though the point is even if most people choose it is they they choose it, right now many people fall into these roles out of reinforcement - not the majority, but a sizeable amount do struggle with these roles and the strict enforcement of these roles is how we get a lot of these inflammatory movements (ex. A lot of the mano…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:35 AM
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Then we’re all in agreement. Men aren’t lesbians. Who thinks men are lesbians?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:32 AM
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….. how so? 5 word answers don’t give me much of anything
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:31 AM
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He offered 2 different scenarios as each is a possible interpretation of the second one. Like many things, the term sits on a spectrum, I would consider myself closer to the first definition as it doesn’t abolish gender, but it does abolish gender roles and with that the need to conform with them. Like if your personality happens to align with what we now consider to be feminine gender roles, and a man the same with what we used to consider masculine gender roles, the characters themselves don’t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:30 AM
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How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:23 AM
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Good news, we all won’t be. “Post gender” doesn’t mean everyone is the same being, it means enforced roles from birth don’t exist. Why does that sound so bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:19 AM
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Aaaaaah, so you don’t believe in gender as a concept?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:17 AM
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So if you’re the leader what does that makes me
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:16 AM
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To be fair what a post gender society is isn’t that everyone is the same ‘agender blob’ (common transphobic strawman, for the record), the idea is gender roles wouldn’t be enforced and people did what felt right for them. This includes cis straight men and women, for the record. Like I’m glad lots of you hardly had to think about gender and all, but sadly the enforcement of your norms primarily make it a whole lot harder for a lot of people, including cis straight people who might not fully conf…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:16 AM
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I’d be open to it. Socially especially I am beginning to see more and more meaninglessness to the role enforcing gender plays, whether it be legally or socially. I truly believe that gendering, as far as socialization goes, does bring a larger harm as far as enforcement (and this applies to everyone. The whole pink = girl, blue = boy enforcement from birth is iffy) and imo we would be better off if everyone was given the space to figure out what gender means to them. Most will remain cis and str…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:08 AM
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Lemme guess, that’s why you aim for those with ‘teen’ still in their age (18, 19)?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 07:25 PM
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Entirely depends on the specific complaint and how its handled
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 03:36 PM

Yeah almost as if 18 year olds being able to go to war is a part of the problem lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 02:00 PM

So maybe don’t aim for barely legal people? (Idk your gender or what you’re into). Lots of attractive people in that 24-28 range if you really want a younger partner lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:47 PM

I mean now that I know OP is 33 this behavior is absolutely predatory
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:46 PM

I’m pickier when it comes to men than women (I find many many more women attractive), but for men a Papa Emeritus-type is a great option for a hookup, and Matt Smith - Matt Smith types remind me that I’m sometimes into non-fictional men
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:45 PM

Hookups: be very hot, have chemistry, be a good lover Relationship: chemistry, compatibility in values, interests, hobbies, be a great lover, and lifestyle. Also be hot. Relationship standards for looks are lower, but I expect a lot more. If we wanna get into specific values, what is hot, what lifestyle stuff and so on we could - but I figured the difference is the point of the post
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:41 PM
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Welp I know what I’m watching when I’m home tonight
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:57 AM
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The confusion is half the fun imo
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:56 AM
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I mean to actively have your eyes on someone pressingly is a choice, it isn’t just ‘moving your eyes’
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:55 AM
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Sure, to look or even glance is entirely fine or normal. Staring is different though. Staring involves active choice
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:54 AM
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Something along the lines of “in the 50s they would’ve put (something, I forget what) up your ass for being trans”
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 06:23 PM
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Sure bud, whatever you say ;) Reddit deleting your last comment is kind of saving your ass
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 05:03 PM
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LOL wtf is your problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 05:01 PM
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I’m not gonna comment on the Native American comparison as it isn’t my place to, but I will say that my experience as a middle easterners worse than my experience as a man. I was more dehumanized for being middle eastern than having been male, and I was very masc presenting. When I began taking estrogen (the pills are blue now, but they used to be red) - the Matrix is a trans allegory (Wichowskis confirmed it) and estrogen pills used to be red, ‘taking the red pill’ was about seeing yourself who…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 04:54 PM
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Way to deflect
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 04:50 PM

If you’re an older person going to a space full of younger people you often stand out in a bad way. The vibe is very “what’s unc doing here” and sure, you might succeed with one woman who’s friends are begging her not to go with you, but it really isn’t a thing an older person should do
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 04:37 PM
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You say that and yet Billie Eilish got a lot of shit from her (majority female) fans for having dating a notably older guy a couple years ago
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 04:35 PM
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Luckily that’s not what the man v bear debate means lol
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 04:29 PM
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I think the real conclusion is this: slut shame no one and respect someone else’s personal space (including them not feeling like they’re being stared at)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 12:46 PM
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Actually…. you are right. I think these instances are usually isolated cases and are not all that common. I’ve been to many gyms in my life, including a lifting gym that does allow people to film and I’ve hardly seen an instance of staring being an issue that was escalated. Its happened, I’ve even been stared at and I don’t dress revealingly (I’m sure many women will say the same) and it IS frustrating, but often the person staring kinda stops when you ignore them. The whole gymfluencers v creep…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 12:44 PM
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Look up ‘consent’
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 12:40 PM

I do find a lot of these ‘women are the least happy they’ve been in the modern day’ studies to be kinda iffy because prior data is skewed primarily by social expectations, some level of a larger societal agenda and so on. It’s hard to actively report that you’re unhappy when you’re taught to think that a restrictive life was your only option. I mean…. I’m sure the housewives downing themselves in pills in the 50s and 60s, and then actively distracting themselves with stuff like MLM schemes in th…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 05:42 AM

Tbh I think the real headline here is outright admitting that the only value you see in a woman is cooking, cleaning, childcare and sex. You done said the quiet part out loud
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 05:39 AM
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It isn’t ‘few delusional incels’ though. This is happening in mainstream platforms. Ffs look at who runs the US
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 12:06 AM
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Funny thing is ‘cancelled’ celebs basically broke more popular than ever. It become frowned upon for a short period but prior to that? The 90s and early/mid 2000s were full of misogyny just being normalized. I l also think there is something to be said about scope. You’re talking about women saying mean things, I’m talking about men casually discussing reducing rights and justifying it via women saying mean things. Do you see where the disconnect is?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 12:00 AM
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Soooo ummmm, is it a threat?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 11:51 PM
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Right, and women have actively ragged on by men for decades as well. Women push back a little bit and suddenly it is a “trend for decades” lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 11:50 PM
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Ooooooo is that a threat? What will the big scary men do?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 11:44 PM
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“Huge trend for decades” explain how lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 11:41 PM
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Mostly to make one’s self look more competent and to defer blame. Which yes, is a sign of an issue - but then again so is actively being late even if you’re honest about it. Again, both end in the same place
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 11:35 PM
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Aaaaaah, so the typical talking points. Literally none of this is misandry. The man v bear analogy is one ya’ll keep actively wilfully misinterpreting, the dating app stuff hold very little bearing in real life, the constantly dunking on short guys is more meme than reality. Keep trying bud
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 11:33 PM
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Idk, I’d imagine a truth that might hurt someone’s feelings is always at some level serious cause you’d be communicating to me that you’re willing to be honest with me out of fear of how I might react. I don’t respect that. It really depends on how often the person is late. If a person is late 5 times cause they say they’re in traffic or if they’re honest that they just got out, they’re still late 5 times. Like the end result is all the same and ultimately the conclusion still is “Welp, plan bet…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 11:04 PM

Whoop got one already, the flair is working
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 10:56 PM
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I mean white lies are ultimately harmless. Also, lying to protect someone from being hurt could potentially be a huge, perspective shifting lie depending on what it is. Idk, I just don’t see technicalities like ‘in traffic’ vs ‘just got out of the house’ to really mean anything. Like they’re gonna be a bit late, big whoop. Obviously if they are frequently late it becomes an issue, but then the issue becomes the lateness, not the white lie. Ultimately, a white lie is meant to be a harmless way to…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 10:55 PM
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I mean…. If it makes you feel better about yourself I guess? There is nothing wrong with high standards, and if you’re not getting anything out of them and you’re okay with that then who cares? This really sound like a philosophical re-writing of “why do I have to try? Just date me!”
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 10:52 PM

Yesaaa it is unfortunate. It isn’t uncommon for right wing movements in general to take bits of an idea and repackage it while entirely missing its actual meaning. Media illiteracy + arrogance are a deadly combo
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 10:50 PM

You just gave me a really good idea and tbh feasting on this miscommunication is the exact kind of comedy gold I will thrive on. Fuck it, I’m reclaiming the the term
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 10:41 PM
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What misandry? Whenever I see a dude talking about it they often reference MeToo (which was absolutely necessary)and twitter threads. Also, RP creators and manosphere creators continually get the most online traction, discussing restricting women’s rights is a normal topic to respond to now and there was quite a strong conservative wave where a very openly misogynistic rapist was elected president soooooooooo
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 10:40 PM

Shhhhhhhhhh don’t be a narc I also might agree with the overall core of it, but I do differ in that emotionally I don’t feel the same way
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 10:31 PM
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It’s complicated and it is worth asking compared to when. If it is compared to 50-60 years ago? Men are absolutely better. If we are talking compared to 10 years ago? They’re worse The good men are better than ever, but the bad men are regressing into “should women be allowed to vote” territory proudly and openly. Misogyny was at least frowned upon publicly 10 years ago, and now we have the same kind of misogyny be fully mainstream so I mean…. It’s a mixed bag
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 10:31 PM

This might be me, but I genuinely don’t feel any sympathy - and I’ve seen both sides of this. He decided to interpret friendship as feelings, he decided to try to win you over with favors, he’s the one who actively invested non stop without a second thought and he’s the one who decided to turn your rejection into a dramatic commentary on his self worth. It kinda makes me annoyed tbh, cause you did all this stuff nobody asked you to, and made it a personal crisis when you didn’t get what you want…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 10:27 PM
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….. why is it not a white lie?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 10:22 PM
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I mean from any potential partner the moment I have lies I deem ‘acceptable’ for either of us to make the relationship is over. Outside of occasional little white lies (ie. “I’m in traffic” when you just got out of the house), literally nothing is acceptable - and yes I hold myself to that same standard
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 05:29 PM
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You know that’s not what I mean. Dont be obtuse
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 03:36 PM
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I’m sorry. I’ll contact the council of women so we can get the hive mind to begin shaming this behavior, I’m sorry our collective opinion isn’t strong enough to sway you, and I will have the council look into this henceforth so the hazing ceremony may begin
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 02:20 PM
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Ngl I’m kinda disappointed, for a second there I assumed your concerns were consent based, instead I get the typical low self esteem stuff presented as fact All I have to say to you is that you’re wrong, and people/feelings are more complex than you give them credit for.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 02:06 PM
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You said if you want no to mean no, we should call out each other more. Many women already do call others out over mixed signals. How much is enough of an effort to satisfy things in accordance to your standards? Also, you don’t know my view. You’re assuming it. I made a comment making my view clear. I won’t repeat it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 01:49 PM
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I mean…. Many women already do call out the ones who say “keep trying”, not sure what else you want lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 01:44 PM
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Why do you think it doesn’t change over time? Why don’t you think it’s okay? And how is this even an oxymoron? You’re giving me very short responses with little to no substance
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 01:39 PM
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To be clear, when I say “sometimes it takes time” what I mean is, sometimes interest builds over time and it’s okay to try again weeks or months later if you feel circumstances have changed. Of course though, take the first rejection as a sign to move on but also, sometimes things build quietly after that is all I’m saying I am not advocating for investing time into asking people out periodically
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 01:21 PM
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Omfg, “hey, this feels kinda really awful and makes many women uncomfortable”, “….. but it works?”
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 09:54 AM
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Jesus, and ya’ll pretend there is no such as a rape culture lolololololol Joking aside though, sometimes it takes time (and that’s entirely fine. Sometimes people just take time to develop feelings), other times (tbh probably more often than not) “wear her down” is a normalized strategy that so many guys employ. The issue with the whole ‘wear her down’ approach is that it is full on coercion, at one point she finally gives in even if she doesn’t fully feel right,but it kinda creates an almost tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 09:52 AM
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I think intent matters most. When done as an attempt of generating reflection, it can be helpful if handled right, if it is done to taunt or shame (which is often when it is said) then it becomes an issue. Like what do you aim to achieve by saying this? How is this info helpful? Is it just one’s attempt at a ‘told you so’ - these are the questions you should be asking
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:51 PM
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Hey man, at least you’re admitting you wanna date someone who’ll replace your mom
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 03:59 PM

How am I refusing? You asked a question and I answered it. All you’ve done was ask questions and then now apparently flip out over my answers instead of explaining why you think I’m wrong or what you think I’m missing
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 11:33 AM

The short answer is people shouldn’t have to change their relationship preferences to fit your worldview. There are plenty of women who outright reject traditional structures, date them Like let’s put it this way - someone desiring traditional dynamics who don’t bring an overall societal harm, and who aren’t actively harming others aren’t really doing anything wrong. Inconveniencing others because their right to their own bodily autonomy (ie. selecting the person who will literally have access t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 11:12 AM

I guess my question is why do you want certain things to be removed? Cause as far as dating dynamics in itself, I don’t see how no longer being attracted to the opposite in yourself (for example) is something that needs to be changed. The reason why maybe reexamining is necessary is to ensure how much of it is real vs how much of it is a result of social reinforcement, but if the conclusion you come to is “nah, this is right for me, I’m glad others are able to do their thing too” then I don’t se…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 10:53 AM
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OP can openly downplay rape, treat it as a natural consequence and say some genuinely insulting stuff but somehow if I say what I’m really thinking about this post the mods would ban for me it lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 10:42 AM
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So to be very very clear - cause I don’t wanna jump to conclusions with this topic - you believe that gang rape to be a direct consequence of women being seen as resources less and less? Cause that’s what it sounds like you’re implying
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 10:40 AM

Its all about choice. If that’s the dynamic someone wants and they aren’t pushing against anyone else’s rights to live through whatever gender dynamics they want, then by all means. If most people choose to live within trad gender norms while also supporting those who live outside of these norms to live their lives, then congrats, that’s one progressive stance out if a possible many you can hold
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 10:30 AM

Its all about choice. If that’s the dynamic someone wants and they aren’t pushing against anyone else’s rights to live through whatever gender dynamics they want, then by all means. If most people choose to live within trad gender norms while also supporting those who live outside of these norms to live their lives, then congrats, that’s one progressive stance out if a possible many you can hold
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 10:30 AM

Oh look, another episode dude fully misunderstands “progressive” and thinks it just means opposite of tradition. Yay.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:25 AM
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Not really , I get a ton of male chasers, not very many female chasers
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 03:05 AM
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Outside of actively observing people and behavior over a period of time across various settings, self reporting is really our best bet for now
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 01:02 AM
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The rate of detrnasirioners is very very low, and sometimes people make decisions and realize it isn’t for them. It is an unfortunate reality. To add to this, a fairly high concentration of detransitioners end up doing so due to societal pressure and end up transitioning again later. And it isn’t treated as a mental illness because the data overwhelmingly suggests that getting on the right hormones is the literal cure here? Event even, the nuance of gender dysphoria is complicated. There are cog…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 01:01 AM
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I can attest to the whole complicated nature of it. I went from bi man to thinking I was a straight girl (that was a weird month), then bi girl and while I still am somewhere on that spectrum I legit won’t be surprised if I go full lesbian soon lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 12:56 AM
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Right, hence why I’m saying speed dating as a measure of attraction is iffy. Its a measure of first impressions under some pressure, but that’s it
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 12:54 AM
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A men dressing up as a woman is called a crossdresser or a femboy, being transgender is the result of endocrine misalignment manifested through gender dysphoria. Trans people take hormones to develop the secondary sex characters of the gender they’re transitioning to (or wishes to but can’t for *inset reason here*), cross dressers ‘dress up’ - hope that clarifies the difference And I mean, most of the world agrees on a lot of objectify abhorrent shit so that’s not much of a strong point
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 12:49 AM
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I mean credit where it’s due, I’ve seen mental gymnastics to justify transphobia before, but never like this. Well done
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 12:43 AM
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No…. Because I am a woman who prefers women? Are lesbians and bi women ‘biologically male’? Even then, is sexuality then inherent to gender? Does this mean men who like men are biologically female?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 12:38 AM
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Very rarely. I am very occasionally into men and even then, they need to have a larger than life quality about them. Like there was one dude who worked at a dispensary who had this jacked hippie vibe to him and ngl, he really caught my attention, but that was 3 weeks ago Though while I do feel attraction towards men, I do prefer women rather strongly, so take with that as you may
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 12:22 AM
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Not exactly, cause attraction is multi dimensional. Like if someone becomes attracted to someone immediately, within hours, weeks, months, etc - it still is attraction. Like I guess if you really wanted to specifically measure the role looks play when one is on the spot then I guess that’s something, but it isn’t really ‘measuring attraction’
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 12:20 AM
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In all fairness that applies to everyone, and speed dating doesn’t exactly provide the best pool of samples. I think to do speed dating you have to be of a very specific mentality, especially considering that it was never one of the more popular ways people dated
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 12:02 AM
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No, it isn’t that liberal men are especially struggling. It’s that you’re coming from a lens of entitlement because you frame yourself as a smart liberal. Sure, you have a lot of sentiments that say you aren’t but your final conclusion and your whole “that’s why men like me who are what liberal women want on paper struggle, I am intelligent and liberal. This means women don’t want liberal intelligent men” really reads like entitlement. Like to put it bluntly, this reads like the exact thing I’d …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 12:00 AM
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I’m pretty sure tons of self-reporting surveys exist already. However, I often notice self reported data also isn’t exactly believed. To put it bluntly I dont think you’re asking “why does this data not exist?” Cause tons already does. You’re asking “why doesn’t the data that shows the conclusions I want exist?”
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:59 PM
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You mean the definition used in 2013 that’s been heavily contested since then? The problem with this definition is that it actually reduces the number of rape victims, not increases them. This definition has been heavily contested by academics throughout, but now especially. Nice try though. And I ever said kissing someone is rape, but the forcible action of forcing yourself onto someone, no matter the sexual action (which includes kissing) falls into the larger umbrella of rape. You’ve spent yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:56 PM
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Ummmm because rape isn’t defined by nonconsentual penetration. Forced oral sex is still rape, forced fondling and kissing is still rape. Idk where you got that from lol And I’m not where you got the 97% of rapists are men part, I never made that claim
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:47 PM
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That’s because I’m not excusing women using nuance as a cop out. What I am saying is the numbers given aren’t adjusted for statistical realities. Men stay with children and are in close approximation to children far less and men are far less likely to be actively involved with the child. This isn’t to excuse the behavior of these abusive women, this is to say that the male side of this data doesn’t have enough data to draw any definitive conclusions about comparison, especially when men heavily …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:36 PM
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……. No, it’s that single parents who live in poverty often have to work multiple full time jobs to accommodate for the child as they do not have the qualifications to make anything past low wages
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 02:01 PM
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Depends, does he have a trusted track record with ‘taking it out in 5 hours’? Cause far more often than not 5 hours later he says ‘sorry I forgot’
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:45 PM
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Bet, men choose to do nothing about improving their situation, men choose to emotionally close themselves off, men choose to police one another over medial shit, men choose not to do anything to make them more desirable. If that’s all agency is and this is the only time we talk about agency, let’s see receipts. (Note: I think things are far more nuanced for everyone, including men. I’m just expanding on OP’s logical standpoint)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:44 PM
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Okay, because single parent households are more likely to be involved with parents who were in a cycle of abuse themselves, single parent households are more likely to be in poverty which means underfunded neighborhoods, worse education, less community support, less public support (I’m just saying recreational activities, civic services, community services, education funding and so on aren’t going to poorer neighbourhoods), poverty means the mom has to work multiple jobs (ie. neglect and stress)…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:41 AM
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Oh boy…. There is a ton wrong here. For one thing this is a blog post with a heavy bias that heavily ignores context such as socioeconomic class, the rate of which men abandon women with kids, and the fact that we are ignoring factors like working multiple jobs, mental illness, access to resources, etc I also never said “women have more children”, I said women are around children more. Not only do more women stay at home with the child, but exponentially more women work in fields that directly i…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:18 AM
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Women are also around children at exponentially higher rates, just sayin
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:09 AM
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Since I’ve transitioned I’ve been cat called, stared at, and touched on my back/shoulder by men. I’ve also had my boundaries disrespected online and offline too. Now I have to be careful walking alone at night, I need to have a friend around in less than ideal parts of town, my friends and I check in on each other once we’re home. Even prior to transitioning, I was SA’d by a man and I had closed my dating apps to men cause I’ve often found men to be too pushy Of course - this doesn’t apply to ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:08 AM
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I am debating you. I am saying you are wrong and explained why I think you’re wrong. This isn’t an attack, this is me saying the views you say closely mirror old sexist stereotypes and manosphere podcasts, all of which are just flat out wrong. I didn’t insult you or attack you, I am calling you wrong. This isn’t an attack But enough of that, notice how you moved a topic away from defending your views to running on accusations. Methinks I hit a very specific nerve
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 11:13 PM
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I know many people in happy relationships, and I tend to keep a social circle with only people I respect (even pre transition) - but, the experiences of so many women, either close to me or not, as well as what the literal data tells us is a lot of what i say is accurate Sorry you live in a coddled fantasy land
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 11:09 PM
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I mean it is more substance than outright saying your opinions are just outright wrong and ending it at that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 11:08 PM
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Do you date men? Or are you close to a large number of people to do? Do you look up any data on what countless women are saying about dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 11:01 PM
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It sounds like your idea of what a woman is is a construct built from the collective gaslighting of podcast bros. You’re either meeting shitty women (which yeah, there are shitty women too - in which case pick better women), or you haven’t interacted with enough women and are relying on old sexist stereotypes to build your worldview for you
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 10:59 PM
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I find this whole thing funny. Like the men accusing western women of being soulless gold diggers turn around and go aboard to find someone who’s actually digging for their resources. Tbh eventual divorce post-Green card is earned
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 10:56 PM
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In South Korea in particular the reason why the focus is on love and romance is cause they hold very patriarchal social structures, and denying men both these things is also denying the infrastructure of their current system
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:42 PM
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Good thing 4B isn’t WGTOW, it is the deliberate and vocal denial of playing into what men want for the sake of political pushback. 4B was never about women turning to their own direction, it is about using denial as political leverage
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:15 PM

Aaaah, so basically your definition of seduction is…. Sticking to vaguely described gender roles?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:36 AM

You didn’t exactly give a clear definition. In your post you describe what’s basically the traditional courting process, not seduction. So I mean, give me a clear definition then we’ll talk
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:35 AM

“Leading in an unspoken agreement” is literally seduction. Flirting, raising the temperature of the room a little bit, teasing, light touching, and so on are all forms of seduction
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:29 AM
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You can’t control how you feel in the moment, and yes, being disappointed that someone doesn’t share feelings and only wants to be friends is 100% valid. I never said it isn’t. That being said, you can control whether you move on, and the friendzone is the internalization of your own perception of what you think are your failures The issue is when you escalate it into this whole friendzone thought processes like God or the universe or whatever is punishing you for not hitting the right combo (an…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:01 AM
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I mean…. If you don’t express interest she won’t think you’re interest. Like idk what else to tell you? This isn’t “pressing inputs”, this is acting in accordance to how you feel and seeing how the person reacts. Do you want her to sit and wait for you to be ready to make a move?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:23 PM

Idk if middle aged is the right word for it, but seduction in itself is a skill, yes. Best get start practicing rather than going “men aren’t supposed to be this way” if you have any interest in being seductive. If you don’t, cool - that’s your personal interest but it isn’t “men aren’t supposed to be seductive”, that’s a you thing
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:17 PM

“Men aren’t supposed to be seductive” Oh I guess that’s why I don’t date men Joking aside though, men absolutely can be seductive. When I am attracted to a man (as occasionally rare as it is *cough* Papa Emeritus III, IV and Papa V Purpetua *cough*), it almost always is because he has a seductive quality to him - and often you’ll find that’s kinda what turns a lot of women on too, men are very much capable of being playful, seductive, flirty, teasing, etc Also the whole thought process of women …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:12 PM
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Okay, obviously there are indicators of attraction and things that can entice these feelings more (I apologize, forgot I had to be hyper literal here), though many friend zone narratives involve it being a place you get into as a result of your behavior. Ie. You hit the wrong inputs - in other words, it no longer is about modes of attraction, it is about hitting the right button combo. And it doesn’t exist because it is entirely a self inflicted form of self pity. Being friendzoned only literall…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:01 PM
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“It can be a let down” is an awfully charitable term for the online rabbit holes dudes go into and tantrums men have over not getting the girl. And yeah, one can’t merely exist and get laid. No shit. Nobody thinks you can just exist and get laid however there is a world of difference between attraction, compatibility (even if just short term sexual compatibility), closeness and the narrative a lot of dudes like to build. That you get into the friendzone because you didn’t press the right buttons…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:56 PM
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When people say “there is no such thing as the friendzone” we are not saying that it is a phrase without a definition. We know it exists as a slang term, we know lots of people use it - but conceptually, it is entirely based on the perception of being friends with someone as something done or you, as a demotion of some kind when it isn’t. For one thing because it assumes that attraction is built around pressing the right buttons and you just hit the wrong input (ie. Robs the other person of thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:20 PM
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That’s just teenage girls, soon as she’s an adult suddenly who she’s attracted to becomes everyone’s business
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:09 PM
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No, men get friendzoned more because they assume every time a woman a nice to them that means there is an opportunity for sex. In truth you didn’t ruin anything, you’re just not what she’s looking for. There is no such thing as the friendzone, it is an entirely made up thing to make one feel in control of the fact that someone simply isn’t into them but likes their company
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:08 PM
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For one thing stop trying to rush into it, grow your social circle, meet people, see who you actually click with and if you feel a spark, escalate and flirt. Like come on lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:04 PM
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Right, but you’re still advocating for covertly making the focus of your presence in a social event of some kind based around your dating prospects. Like we aren’t talking about singles events, clubs or whatever - you’re talking about using settings people primarily use to do an activity they enjoy or make friends as your little secret dating pool. That’s recipe for disappointment cause while people can and do get into relationships through these, it is often through sustained interest via a sha…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:19 PM
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That’s not a strawman - and the entire point of your post is asking why men are discouraged for going to all kinds of organized social stuff to find dates, and then proceed to advise men to hide their intentions when in these places. Sure sounds like you’re advocating for finding dates as a primary objective
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:02 PM
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Then keep doing what you’re doing and stay in this loop of disappointment. It is obvious that hyperfocusing on finding dates as a primary objective is very limiting and makes you lose out on all kinds of connection and community you can have, and yet many men still continue to insist that this is the best path despite also constantly yammering on and on about being lonely. By all means, if you think you’re right in doing all this stuff for the sake of a date, do it - but also the fact you’re stu…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 06:59 PM
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Quite the contrary. Have higher standard, please. Have some dignity and ffs sake stop creeping over women (including when you don’t know anything about them) - I’m sure this made some women more self centered, but more women than not are annoyed by this lack of standards cause then it communicates “oh? You’re into me cuz vagina therefore I am replaceable”
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 12:51 PM
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And lemme guess, women doing the cooking js our own faults cause we understand food better and men don’t get food?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 12:49 PM
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Yeah that’s a trend I’ve noticed as well. From what I’ve seen tend to be less secretive about their ‘online life’ and tend to have similar outlooks both ways. Like a shitty TERF online is likely that way offline too, a full blown misandrist online likely says the same stuff offline too. With men I often find an active effort to hide views and perceptions, like it isn’t uncommon for a dude to pretend he isn’t a conservative at first, for example
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 03:03 AM
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Really sounds like there is a lot you have to unpack with that
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:59 AM
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It’s less ‘resilient and self-reliant’ and more ‘emotionally in touch and searches for more fulfillment’ - statistically more women are likely to be involved in the community, make friends, volunteer in community driven stuff, seek help and so on. Of course there is nuance to this - the community around men genuinely sucks, and imo a large part of that is generally speaking, men either wait for women to solve their problems or dig deeper into the problem. A lot of this stems from taught gender r…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:58 AM
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Does this show that dating in itself is hard for men? Or that dating apps themselves are flawed? Idk, one would think the issue is these apps run by profit driven companies whose profit driven motive id to keep you on the app as much as possible And that’s funny, based on my experience most people figure it out at one point and the only ones who don’t are those who make yammering on about how hard it is to date
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 09:25 PM

So would you be okay with your wife being a completely unattractive person as long as she ‘loves you for you’?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 09:19 PM
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“If women keep sleeping with hot dudes?” So like… if you’re sleeping with hot people and your standards are ‘hot person’, then where are these standards unrealistic?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 12:31 PM
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I…. Don’t see why ‘selling your body’ is inherently unethical. Are you not doing that with every job you’re doing? Or is it the sex part that makes it unethical? Cause if it is, then why is sex inherently unethical? As for Bonnie Blue, the problem with her is the coercion, the grooming, and the sex work as jackass schtick she has going on. She is intentionally inflammatory And do you have any notion of what gets people into sex work? More often than not, people enter from a place of desperation.…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 12:30 PM
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From my experience more men than I would like have tended to ignore boundaries as far as touching and basic requests, they take many leaps on what an interaction is, they tend to be emotionally avoidant, unwilling to listen, have an active streak of comparing genuine systemic issues to dating problems, have actively voted against the interest of others, have a tendency to try to big dick one another, refuse to take constructive feedback and so on and so on Of course, the degree of each varies an…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 04:20 AM
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It isn’t even a ‘bad trend’ that’s how it always was. I mean, in the past people dated/married for things like deals, security, maintaining norms, politics, etc - and people fell in love for various traits. Some like bad people, some are amoral, others are good. Idk, dating in itself has always been amoral because humans are not inherently moral. Of course, if you’re a moral person you’re likely to seek a moral partner, but if you’re primarily driven by the self (which most people have been hist…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 08:24 PM
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So being good to you means not selecting a shitty partner? Is the bar for ‘good’ really this arbitrary for you? Also, more women are stepping away from men largely because of the experiences we had with bad partners and bad men, so idk if all your “wahmen lack self awareness and don’t question yourself” talk even holds
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 08:16 PM
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For starters, because doing the right thing should be its own good reward. If you need affirmation from the opposite gender to not be a pos, to put it bluntly, just be a pos and save us all the trouble and whining. If all you’re motivated by is sex, then be true to yourself and stop trying to justify “but why” cause at least if you’re openly a bad person, myself and many, many, many others will have an easier time not associating with you
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 08:13 PM

This started off somewhere interesting but went off the rails real quick (though my initial critique is none of what you describe mimics ‘nice’) 1) women fake their orgasm usually to protect a man’s ego 2) wtf does this have to do with oppression? 3) dead bedrooms usually happen because the relationship goes stale, not because women who fake couldn’t fake any longer Anyway, imo this post is a poor attempt at connecting multiple unrelated things and somehow both trying to disprove a victim narrat…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:22 PM

Calling it a conspiracy is giving it too much credit…. It’s more a circlejerk
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:17 PM
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Well… no, because misandry is indeed a problem - but it isn’t as immediate an issue as it isnt as prevalent as misogyny and it is far less likely to result in violence. It’s less about excusing misandry and more about prioritizing misogyny because misogyny is the larger, more pressing issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 04:07 AM
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How tf did you get that out of what I said?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:46 AM
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….. what about the women in countries you wish to go to? Or the men in these countries as well? You say this all in a way that frames people across developed countries as beneficiaries but you never bring up or touch on the actual concern we have: that you’re exploiting these women. Then why has been explained so many times in and out of this thread, but the point I want to add still remains: in this argument foreign women are a resource, and foreign men are an afterthought
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 09:43 PM
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I’m not clear on why you want me to read the article?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 04:41 PM
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I didn’t say that but if you wanna put these words in my mouth by all means, validate that study
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 04:34 PM
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Get your shit together, men. Been living as a woman for a few months now and yeah, its hard not to dislike men tbh - if not for the few good men in my life I def would have a less favourable view
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 04:31 PM
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So like….. have you gotten picked yet?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 04:30 PM
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What is this Hunter gatherer LARP
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 04:27 PM
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The first was a study done in 2000 that’s - at this point - been debunked a billion times, and the second one argues that women are just as prone to be aggressive. It argues that we have the same capacity to be aggressive, NOT that we currently are. The study also makes it clear that this is not about physical aggression. Keep trying
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:10 PM
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And yet, twice as many women get drugged by men I don’t mean to compare, but nobody is denying that misandry exists, and nobody denies that women are capable of inflicting violence towards men, but if the context of the convo is comparison (which this very much is - and that’s kinda the issue, men’s issues are only ever brought up to ‘compete’ with woemn…. Ironically by other men), I’ll bring up the difference I also don’t think you’re bringing these up to genuinely draw attention that men suffe…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:05 PM
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And while we’re at it let’s not forget which figures have the largest following online and which co the two translate to actual irl violence ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 01:59 PM
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And the fact that for a while (including now) some of the most popular content creators are misogynistic men making content about hating women
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 01:48 PM
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It’s not about ‘judging demographics’ - it’s about visibly and how some voices are heard more than others Single dads and genuinely good single men do get the brunt of this, but again, this is because the negative side is so loud and present to the point where they’re overbearing and can even get violent
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 01:39 PM
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I love that every example of “pretty common” is the same subreddit every dude here references. It’s almost as if the whole ‘women hate men’ mindset is overblown or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 01:37 PM
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You’re right - and they probably should be, but that’s not gonna happen when incels/RP/MGTOW men spam single male discourse
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 12:57 PM
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Right, and the reason why they’re not talked about is cause most ‘single man’ discourse is infested by incels yelling about it I assure you, nobody hates the single dad doing his best
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 12:36 PM
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The people trying to empower women trying to stay single are often liberal or progressive women. In conservative circles and many male circles, women who choose to be single are actively shamed for it. To add to this, a man choosing to stay single is one thing, a man saying he chooses to stay single while constantly complaining about women and being bitter is another. The latter is far more common.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 10:59 AM

Sure, you’re not wrong. Posts that ask for support that appear like they’re from women do get more attention - That’s cause women support each other more and men put on a face of support as an attempt to get laid or get close to a woman who appears vulnerable That being said, I’m also not sure how the examples you gave read as ‘posts made by women/men’ - they just read as posts that anyone could make. They don’t feel gendered at all
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:53 PM
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….. because sometimes people get married and it doesn’t work out? Like idk what else you wanna hear
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:55 PM
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No, it’s ideology. And I think ideologues would of course act like their stance is observation of reality. Gender roles, across history, have been more varied than these ideol… errr, “observations” have given them credit for. In fact, the only constant seems to be ‘men physically stronger and more aggressive -> men force roles upon women and punish women who don’t comply’ - now, you can believe that none of this is politicos but when we get into discourse about wider social behaviour it is inher…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 05:48 AM
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And social issues brought to a macro scale are political by nature as policy and government decisions are largely influenced by social trends, standings and roles lol An ideology that believes men and women have inherent roles is inherently political because these beliefs also drive belief in how the world should work - ergo, it is political
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 05:36 AM

Really sounds like men should expect more of women cause as far as I’m concerned, men enable the behaviors you criticise
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 04:55 AM
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I feel like my last sentence is a good repose ro this
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:36 AM
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I always do find it funny when people insist the redpill isn’t political when he is heavily dependent on takes that rely on gender’s relationship with the world. Gender - in particular gender roles and what is or constricts gender - is inherently political. We are literally talking about the types of values that decide one’s position towards the right certain groups have. Tbh I think the reason why many in these spaces claim that it isn’t political is because to a lot of them, these roles should…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 10:22 PM
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They already have been so far, men do be creepin
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 10:00 PM

And the men who want this can finally build their own colony and leave the rest of society alone?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 06:35 PM
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“This is just a description of reality” is a soft ‘agree’ in my books because it still prescribes a worldview (and mind you, an untrue one) - the issue is OP paints it all as an advantage while we’re all here like “please stop treating us like resources to be bartered and traded”
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 06:29 PM

Ah yes, the classic “well men built things so you need us” And in that case, move away from this realm cause without a woman you wouldn’t even be born nor would you have survived being a baby or child sooooooooooo
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 06:27 PM
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Less danger, when I lived as a guy dating around I didn’t have to worry about screening whether the person I’m with is trustworthy enough to let my guard down because I had the physical power in that social dynamic Also, women are flat out less pervy to men than men are to women. It ain’t nice being perved at or uncomfortably touched (which does tend to happen with lots of dudes - like it isn’t as egregious as a crotch grab or butt smack or whatever, but the little shoulder and back touches, I m…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 06:22 PM
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I think the whole “let’s just submit to everything the RP/incels are criticizing” mindset is very unhelpful. The whole seeing people through value mindset is harmful because it is inherently dehumanizing, and that’s kinda what a lot of people are criticizing. The reason why this ‘women are more valuable’ mindset even exists is from the basis of women being seen as a resource that needs to be protected and not as autonomous individuals. “Women are more valuable” is exactly how a lot of misogynist…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 06:19 PM
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The issue is you keep getting hung up on the fewer loud women saying this. The issue is you view a certain subset of women as speaking for all women - I also think fear mongering plays a role too, ie. At one point it becomes less women saying “don’t approach us” and more men actively repeating that women think approaching is bad and should be scared. Like this is online content impacting ya’ll in real time
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 02:21 PM

Just sayin’ you’re yet to mention the kind of bar/club you’re a bartender at
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 08:47 PM
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Again, “I’ve also grown to love nightlife for the record”. I drink (and smoke pot) nearly every weekend, but also, I’m self aware enough to know they’re vices, fun vices, but vices none the less. But also - drinking isn’t for everyone. I’m not sure “well people have always been doing it” is a good justification cause lots of things that have happened through history aren’t good for you. Lots of young people as a whole are turning away from intoxication and again, lots of sober daytime settings f…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 08:27 PM

Cause that’s the only way they can pretend to actually have a point. Reminds me a lot of the whole ‘4 foot Indian janitor’ thought exercise these spaces like to bring up, they need to rely on extremes to prove their worldview
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 08:17 PM
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I mean…. Your title says ‘bars/clubs’ and the phrase in dating discussion spaces has certain connotations. You can’t be mad at people for sticking to that connotation. That being said, with your clarified point - you can still meet people doing daytime stuff that don’t involve drinking. All these options are great for meeting people, but they’re all tied to drinking culture and hold a limited view on how to meet people. If your post was just “be more outgoing and socialize” I’d agree, but you di…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 08:00 PM

In all fairness, you were vague in your descriptions as well. When you say a bartender…. Where? A bartender at an alt bar meets and sees very very different people from a pub, whose audience are also very different from the trendy spots, and these audiences are different from those in dive bars and so on and so on
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:50 PM
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I’m gonna disagree here. There are tons of ways to meet people that don’t include bars or clubs. Now, if all you wanna do is hook up, nightlife is your best bet - but also hooking up is primarily driven by a very base form of attraction, not indicators of long term compatibility I’ve also grown to love nightlife, for the record - but also, most of the friends I’ve made aren’t from nightlife, I’d have pleasant convos and interactions with people from nightlife, but they don’t last - not cause any…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:47 PM

Here is the problem: you talk about nightlife only (never elaborating on what specific type of place), use your credential as a bartender as a trump card, then extend it to non-nightlife related places all while acting like the only 2 ways to date are dating apps or cold approaching. You’d make a very strong case…. If you were only talking about the trendy hip downtown bars and clubs (since these spots literally exist with the mantra of seeing and being seen), but these statements you bring up a…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:44 PM
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You didn’t answer my question
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:12 PM
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Do you think Reddit is the only place on the internet?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 06:21 PM
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Quite literally every red pill, incel or manosphere space holds its foundation on men complaining
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:47 PM
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The issue with this mindset is your goal and endgame are entirely dependent on others. Living for romance is flawed because it relies a lot ok living for others - and if begs the question - what happens if you don’t find love?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:45 PM
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I mean, I’ve seen guys not only do this but also bring it up over and over again. If you wanna go by “well I’ve seen this”, then how do we counter each other with purely anecdotal evidence?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 09:58 PM
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I mean even offline, men love throwing hissy fits about what women wear, what guys they’re friends with, whether a woman is or isn’t attracted to them, about their favorite team losing, and I could go on and on Ya’ll don’t let go more, you repress the larger emotional issues and it comes out in weird ways
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 09:55 PM
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Yepp, someone could flat out be a lot more attractive in person whether in mention, whether via their own presentation, their mannerisms, voice or seeing their interests in action could play a big role. Just cause I didn’t like someone’s dating profile doesn’t mean that the person might not be compatible, or just cause they text shitty doesn’t mean they won’t be an interesting person - but when it comes to apps these factors come first so we work within these factors
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 09:53 PM
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Funny you say that cause men complaining is responsible for some of the largest spaces online ranging from incel stuff to RP stuff and a ton of ‘anti woke’ grift content (who’s audience and communities are also majority men)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 09:50 PM
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“They must stay with their toxic partner” Bear IS the toxic partner. Also the reason why the company tells him this is more a way of saying “you can’t undue your wish. You gotta live with it”, this isn’t about Nikki, this is about his wish becoming reality and literally no way to back it up Nikki has no control over how she acts, her actions are not of her own accord. This is what Bear wished for. Even if he didn’t know that the wish was real, the wish itself shows a desire for someone’s love we…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 05:04 PM
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Doesn’t matter, he literally heard the actual pleas of someone clearly under control of something else, and opted to make it about himself. If you proceed to date and sleep with someone who loses their autonomy you’re raping them, and once you know the real person is a passive observer who hates every second of it, you’re raping them intentionally. Bear is a rapist. He’s the perpetrator, not the victim.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 04:55 PM
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Do you also believe that people who rape their partners, abusive partners and so on are “victims of love”? Lmfao And please, when real Nikki manages to be able to speak for a split second and begs Bear to kill her, he responds with ‘what’s so bad about being with me?’ - this immediately kills any narrative lots of dudes try to build that he isn’t a rapist who thinks about himself first
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 04:43 PM
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Too feminine. I’ll name it predictive human behaviour maxxing
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 05:49 AM
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“But then the fire nation came along” ahh post
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 05:43 AM
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Ah yes, the famous history of female cooperation. Laws, social values and plays of power to put down women existing throughout history was entirely theatre and nothing else, I’m sure there is literally no other men. Also cut it out with the “third gender” shit. ‘Low value men’ is not a gender identity as this is not how gender identity works
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 05:42 AM
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I guess I disagree in that fundamentally I don’t view marriage as much of a necessary concept outside of government documentation. But also, living other first is important because you don’t truly know what the other person is like until you live together. Up till then, some extent of performance is involved, you don’t truly know who someone is until the moments in between
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 06:39 PM

Lots of tall women out there, and voice training is a thing. I have broad shoulders as well sooooo Also - what you say is interesting. Are you saying the one thing preventing you is the cost? Or are you entirely thinking about it from a “I want the benefits” sort of thing and don’t really have an interest?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 02:34 AM

I started at 31, and I began as very masc and muscular and I seem to pass half the time now… I’m only 7 months in. Now, I realize this is a bit quick but my point is the 20-30 years of T won’t mess you up for certain and lots of trans women and up fine. Besides, if you’re an ugly guy, how does passing as an ugly woman sound? Cause if you don’t want to pass as an ugly woman, maybe you should rethink your whole view on this whole ideology
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 02:19 AM
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Not really - because I didn’t “choose” to be a woman, I just am. Also, the desire here wasn’t for some unspoken privilege or social benefit. Hell, now I deal with transphobia and misogyny at the same time soooooo
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:51 PM
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Then become a woman and show us all how easy life is for you. I bet a lot of the dudes who bring up “I wish I was born a woman cause life is so easy as a woman” won’t last 6 months with the kind of social expectations, added precautions, as well as perceived social role women get (whether we want them or not)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 03:45 PM

Cause an ugly guy being respectful is still better to me than some boorish chad. Now, I’ll probably end up rejecting both but one I’ll put down respectively and one I’ll be repulsed by. You should know which is which but just for fun I won’t say it. Now, here is the issue with the blackpill, it oversimplifies a universal concept (hot people are hot) and turns into a negative, bitter, overly pathologizing ideology that has one dimension to it. It is no longer “hot people are hot” it is “to be hot…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 10:42 PM
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Imagine thinking all there is to life is people wanting to fuck you Real talk though, if I were to accept your premise for 1 second (which…. There is a lot wrong with it. Including but not limited to your framing of single moms), who’s fault is that? If women can always find a guy and that’s a problem maybe that’s something for men to figure out lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 08:14 PM
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Right, so now we’re talking anecdotal vs anecdotal - but your source was a scene from a sitcom and mine was a survey at the bare minimum. You see where I’m going with this?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:17 PM
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https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/where-do-we-pee-a-yougov-survey-has-the-answers/ I mean…. This study shows twice as many men pee outside then women, and over 5x as many men pee openly on the street. If double the women are using stalls more and use menstrual products, you can see how one can come to this conclusion. That being said, from experiencing both washrooms anecdotally I’ve never once felt the need to move to a different stall due to how dirty the previous one is in the women’s wash…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 06:41 PM
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Weren’t you the person who, earlier today, tried to pass off a snopes statement, a Sienfeld clip and a skit from a musical comedy bit as ‘sources’ in all earnestness while insisting that a woman saying that men pee outside is somehow related to misandry? I mean I’m just saying I get why
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 06:08 PM

They were quite common in rock and hair metal scenes too from what I understand
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 04:12 PM

Yeahhh there is a lot of not caring about fashion which sucks, cause men’s fashion had a lot going on. It feels like since the early 2000s men have kinda defaulted to any kind caring about his own looks as gay
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 04:12 PM

Then jd suggest focusing your attention for those who do if you want to wear em But I will say, it is more women than you think
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 04:11 PM

Wdym, so many women say men should wear more crop tops. The issue is you’re viewing revealing clothing= feminine. Show more skin, let that muscle definition show, show off your thighs. If some people wanna make fun of you let them. “But there are no crop tops for men” - make em, get a T shirt you think might look good cropped and cut it up. You can wear skinny jeans, shorter shorts, etc Genuinely, nobody is stopping you and some women may even enjoy it
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:36 PM

Piss everywhere, toilet paper stuffed to the brim, somehow shit on the seat, I’ve had more experiences in men’s washrooms where I went “yeaaaaaaaaaaa I’m finding a different stall”
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 06:53 AM

Based on my experience the women’s restroom is def cleaner than the men’s. I’m sure some locations might have the opposite case, but I can’t say that I’ve seen this be the case…. And I’ve used a lot of public washrooms even prior to transitioning since I have a tiny bladder
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 06:52 AM
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I’m honestly kinda surprised it took me this long to see a post about this here lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:43 AM
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Obsession is about a guy who robs a woman of her agency, and proceeds to do so even when he learns that’s what he’s doing. This includes having sex with her when she is robbed of her agency. There is a word for this.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:33 AM
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Jesus…. You’re really gonna say all this and not recognize that 50 shades and obsession have different primary demographics. Also, even if you want to bring up dark romance, it is a different fantasy that serves a difference purpose. Now, I will counter your entire wall of text with one statement. Nikki - the real Nikki, not the ‘possessed Nikki (for lack of a better term) - literally begs Bear to kill her when she finally has a moment of lucidity. Bear asks “what’s so wrong about being with a g…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:28 AM
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Tbh I don’t think most people really think about these anymore, especially in places more free flowing like a cafe. I can see how this can be an issue at a restaurant but a more laid back cafe is not a restaurant
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 04:07 PM
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I think what’s ’fair’ is whatever the couple themselves agree on. This includes someone being a SAHD, if this is what they both decide and they’re both happy with it, yell yeah do your thing
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:25 PM
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Why can’t you approach someone at a cafe? If she doesn’t look fully immersed or occupied there is literally nothing wrong with commenting “hey, I really like your Pokémon keychain. Is this your favorite Pokémon?” Or something. Also if it helps don’t see it as cold approaching, see it as approaching someone with genuine interest if this is indeed the case. I think generally approaching is fine long as it is in socially acceptable places to - parks, bars, clubs, hobby groups, cafes, etc, long as t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:16 PM

I didn’t say confidence = bullying. I brought on an example of how one can interpret a trait as virtuous when it isn’t inherently. Confidence can range anywhere from being confident in your own silence and kindness to being a total dick cause you’re fully entitled. It is an amoral trait, as are many of the traits we are attracted to. Whether the person one is attracted to demonstrates these traits in a virtuous way is a truly of the person themselves being attracted to these traits displayed vir…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:07 PM

Yeaaaaa no, I don’t think you’ve seen a girl be into someone. She will literally do everything she can to be close to them and in their space, and if they feel confident enough, they’ll actually say something
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:03 PM

Idk if that translates to virtue though, cause you can be interested in traits that also translate to harm, selfishness, etc - for example, is being into a dude cause he’s confident yet a bully really virtuous? To be clear I don’t think that’s the norm, but I am opposing the whole ‘I don’t care about looks therefore I am more virtuous’ mentality Also let people be shallow, some people look for that and others don’t. Who cares? Also, idk about the ‘more loyal’ bit - men and women cheat at similar…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:00 PM

Okay, so back to the core of your post. Is Lavar’s wife’s actions proof of anything you spoke of?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 04:43 AM

And you’d be surprised - a whole lotta people sadly do that, in particular if they lean more manipulative or if they convince themselves that them loving the person is more important than mutual love And idk, for me to call it cruel I would need context. The reason why I hesitate to call it cruel is cause what do you want/expect, for someone to stay in a relationship they don’t wanna stay in cause someone took care of them prior? In which case, when are they even?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 04:31 AM

Are you owed someone staying with you because they nursed you back to health? Cause if the reason was “I can’t stand being with an amputee” then yes, she is horrible, but if the reason is the marriage was already running on coals and it needed a ‘final push’ then idk, relationships end, that’s life. And even then - if ‘he nursed her back to health’ is enough reason, does that therefore mean a justified motive to nurse someone back is ‘they’ll owe me so they have to stay with me’?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 04:23 AM
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Oh totally, but we all know when OP means boat, he means luxury boats, not a speedboat your average older north Ontarian might have
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:39 AM
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Did I ever say women aren’t into casual sex? Lots of us absolutely are - though the whole “boat + six pack” bit doesn’t represent who most women interact with
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:37 AM
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See, my issue with your post is that it never actually explains why you think women are hypocritical about sex work, you don’t explain how nor do you give examples. You just present the premise and pile on beliefs to it
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:35 AM

Is she leaving him because he lost his foot? Do we know the details of their marriage? What about all the men who left their sick wives?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:30 AM
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Maybe we’re just Beckeys in a world of Stacys
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 07:47 PM
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I kinda felt like I knew where this is going… then you brought up chad with the boat and I knew I was right. Stop engaging with these fictional a scenarios. The vast majority of women don’t know a dude with a boat and a six pack. Most don’t have the idea that they’re gonna meet a guy either both, even lol
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 07:06 PM
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Because when you don’t want to have a kid, being pregnant is a detriment and an immediate source of anxiety that really messes with your body? Like I feel like being pregnant in itself sucks, but lots of women tolerate the experience when they want kids
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 06:04 PM
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Figure out the core of why you feel this way, and begin working against this fear you have. Whether it be via self reflection, meditation or therapy
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 05:29 PM
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In which case, you named the issue. Find the source of it and face your fears!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 05:27 PM
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It really sounds like this thought process is a way of shooting yourself in the leg and denying yourself the chance to even get to know someone. Is this genuine observation or analysis, or justification for avoidance?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 05:08 PM

100% - know yourself and what you want at least to some extent
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:35 AM

I feel like a better way to word it isn’t really ‘most people are NPCs’ - cause tbh from a lot of people’s view, you’re an NPC as well, I also don’t like that phrasing cause it immediately pushes the convo to ‘I’m better than all these people’ which isn’t necessarily true (and I say this cause I used to have this mindset) I think it genuinely is as simple as you and these women, and your girl-friends and these men, simply aren’t compatible and are unable to bring out each other’s quirks. As for …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:30 AM
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The point of your response being?….
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 01:32 AM
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Okay, I’ll operate under your premise as you wrote it. You say confidence is strongly linked to men, and you actively frame that with myself - being a woman - as lesser right off the bat. You don’t regard factors like socialization or why these links might exist, and instead play into this whole thing as a superiority complex. You can argue “um akshuwally, I didn’t talk in absolutes” but the core meaning is still the same. So my response remains the same: what?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 01:20 AM
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Soooo confidence is a trait mainly men possess now? What? Also I kinda have to point this out: you may be a misogynist, but you’re not a transphobe soooo points? I guess?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 12:52 AM
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And I am not asking you to repeat your statements, I am asking you explain why you believe what you believe. Give examples, reasons, pathways…. Anything
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:56 PM
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Literally everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:54 PM
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No, I am saying you’re so wrong that I don’t even know how to respond to you. So explain why you believe what you believe, so I can decide how deep I should go in explaining why you’re wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:52 PM
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LOL excuse me? Didn’t know passive v active mindset was determined by your gender
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:50 PM
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Oh I want to ask “excuse me what?” On each indavidual point so I’m settling on your whole comment… excuse me what?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:43 PM
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Self expression is so much more fun, community is stronger (women are far more supportive of each other), just feeling your emotions more fully is so nice (and tbh just being able to cry is a nice release), and in general you just have more room for emotions, experimentation, etc Of course - there comes the many social expectations, the danger of walking outside in the dark, reproductive issues for cis women primarily, rights are a frequent constant battle and you are more physically vulnerable …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:42 PM
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OH BOI DO I HAVE NEWS FOR YOU Joking aside, as much as I enjoy being a woman now - transitioning was the absolute last resort for me. I had exhausted every other option of just wanting to feel alive before I turned to it
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:38 PM
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I wanted to isolate a single quote but I feel like I’d be undercutting all your other points….. wat?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:37 PM
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It isn’t the inexperience in itself, it is the attitude that often comes with it. An inexperienced guy who’s chill, fun and pleasant is fine. Problem is lots of inexperienced guys are difficult to be around cause they’re either bitter, gloomy or so lacking in self that it kinda is just a bummer to be around
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 03:15 AM
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No….. a man who doesn’t wanna pay for the entire date simply just doesn’t wanna pay the full bill for the date. Ain’t nothing wrong with that. It could be a personal boundary, that he’s financially limited or doesn’t see any reason to. Don’t feet the redpill bs, the dudes on this sub love hearing the opinions of one woman who validate their views and take it as proof that we all think this way lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 07:58 PM
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It’s very interesting that you don’t believe in patriarchy and your interests squarely lie in the interests of housewives. Nothing wrong with housewives to be clear, I just think it is very interesting that you dismiss the existence of all of these systems, insist equality has been achieved and keep repeatedly pushing for what’s best for housewives rather than addressing any other issues
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 07:22 PM
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Thank you for telling me what feminism is, I had no idea. I also like how you sneakily moved the convo from me critiquing choice feminism specifically into making it look like I am critiquing feminism as a whole. Good work. And both are choice feminism because a key aspect of choice feminism is choosing to do something is in itself a feminist act - which imo it isn’t, it’s just a woman doing a thing. Can it be activism? Sure, is it inherently activism? Not really. The issue with choice feminism …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 08:37 PM
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….. of the work and industry itself, which do indeed deserve criticism and scrutiny. I do think the sex work industry in itself has a ton of unethical shit going on, I’m not denying that nor do I support the industry of which sex work takes place in But a common issue I see with SWERFs - and why I tend to have a problem with them - is that I’ve heard quite often SWERFs focusing their criticism on the individual sex workers themselves, and not the circumstances that may have created such an envir…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 08:24 PM
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Until it isn’t - a very common critique of choice feminists by various other feminists groups is the fact that it is broad and it treats literally anything as a form of activism, even if others don’t know it. At best its ineffective, at worst its an easy out to make you feel like you’re making a difference
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 08:12 PM
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I never said we are ‘giving up choice’ as choice is inherent and not to be given up, we absolutly should have the freedom to have self agency and it is absolutely empowering, but also when a movement becomes “this consists of me just existing and calling it activism” it becomes stagnant and kinda turns into a meme. What I mean by straight up advocacy is focused causes and issues to bring awareness to and solve, “I choose therefore I’m doing a feminism” isn’t enough because it isn’t actual activi…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 06:03 PM
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The issue with SWERFs is that they often actively dismiss why women get into sex work and to me, it becomes more about being anti-sex work then looking at why such an industry exists, and what conditions drives one to do sex work. Also, I don’t think it is hypocritical, because choice feminism in itself essentially enables any kind of behavior as resistance so long as it is a behavior a woman is doing, but also undercuts the fact that feminism is more driven by straight up advocacy. It also dete…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 05:37 PM
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Oh absolutely: TERFs are feminists as well, but they’re also shitty people and shitty feminists Choice feminism completely oversimplify how societal systems work and completely denies cause and effect, the belief that every decision you make is inherently feminist is harmful to women’s rights entirely. Girlboss feminism is just patriarchy wearing a dress. Many anti-porn and anti-sex work feminists dismiss why women get into porn and sex work and become hugely lacking in sympathy to social and sy…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 05:27 PM
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“Enough women in the 3d world so supply every man in the first world” ah yes, my favorite resource: women living in poverty I wanna focus on both why you using a hypothetical to try to prove something is in itself a horrible way to do any kind of rhetoric as it relies heavily on your perception of others being a reality. In this instance, your painting of us as villains who just want to hurt the poow widdwe sexwess men But also, your consideration of third world women was economic resources whil…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 05:20 PM
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So your basis of gender essentialism being real is…. A video a dude walking up to women asking if they’d fuck him? Do you consider that more often than not, women might want to bond with a guy first before sex? What this bonding might look like differs greatly, but still. I also don’t think differences between how genders perceive sensations/emotions/etc is ‘gender essentialism’ because gender essentialism primarily focuses on believing that gender roles are biologically inherent, differences in…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 10:42 PM
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It has everything to do with a lack of autonomy because gender essentialism is literally about the belief that we are predisposed to behaviors, habits and so on because of our genders. Gender essentialism is literally actively used by conservative and traditionalist govts to continue seeing women as second class citizens and re-enforce harmful behaviors in men as well. And I mean I do have skin in the game, with my ‘skin’ being that there is no such thing as gender essentialism because humans ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 10:31 PM
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I don’t think ‘genders are meaningful’ are gender essentialist because gender essentialism relies on unchangeable biological traits driving us. The problem with it as an ideology is that it examine behavior and says ‘you behave x way because of your gender’ or ‘you are destined for y because of your gender’ - gender essentialism is the belief in lack of autonomy in the individual and is the belief in pre-selected roles, it is not “gender matters” So I mean…. Still waiting for your gotchya moment
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 10:15 PM
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How is my transition relevant this exactly? Why is this a gotchya?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 10:06 PM
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I mean yeah, women in third world countries are more gender essentialist because these countries actively re-enforce gender essentialist views and gender roles. That’s literally part of the problem lol
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 09:59 PM
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But isn’t god omnipotent, omnipresent and all knowing? In other words, god put the tree there, god knew Eve and Adam would eat from its fruit, and god ‘wrote’ that they would as God created all of them and space and reality and all of us. So either god is larping with himself and we’re all a part of god’s self-larp, or god isn’t as powerful as he’s said to be which crumbles the entire narrative. So if you’re saying ‘god didn’t mean to share’ then you’re saying god is capable of mistakes, which k…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 04:50 AM
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Hazbin Adam was such a spoiled man baby. I loved seeing him on screen lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 04:42 AM
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So funny thing about the bible in itself intently being fiction. The text primarily focuses on lucifer wanting to corrupt humanity and turn them away from God, that doesn’t really mean ‘eradicate humanity’. It isn’t about humanity, it’s about holding a defiance to god… and I mean, god kinda made it a point that Adam’s wife MUST submit to Adam so we can see why Lilith would oppose that and why Eve eventually opposed that. Thing is so much of the bible depends on interpretation and so much of this…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 04:41 AM
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More like… she chose curiosity over authority. Also, with this framing you do frame god as the automatic authority. At the end of the day the whole apple of Eden story amounts to “don’t eat this specific fruit because I said so. Got it?” And what? The only justification is “well god made that rule so I’d better listen”
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 04:37 AM
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This is what porn does to the brain lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 03:12 AM
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I don’t mean to laugh but this expression of frustration is kinda hilarious to me. It isn’t even cause of the average men, but you’re practically yelling “WHY CANT YOU JUST BE INTO ME?!?!?!?”
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:57 AM
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“Yeah so like, if you didn’t make Eve so tempting we wouldn’t be in this mess….. you might wanna patch that up” “…. You know what, I was feeling forgiving but just for that I’ll banish you to mortality.”
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 08:24 PM
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Feminism as a movement quite literally exists to advocate for women’s rights to achieve equality, so if feminism didn’t support women’s rights anymore there would be no feminism lmfao And yeah, I am, and I am right for doing it. I just need to point at what you’re writing to prove my point
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:59 PM
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Well geez thank you for being a decent human being how will I ever repay you?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:58 PM
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Yes, hence why I’m saying the nice guy mask is off. If you need a price to support the rights of others, then you’re a dick - flat out. You have every right to be a dick, and I have every right to hate you for being a dick. Like at that people we are talking about fundamentally clashing value systems between “people deserve equality” and “equality is justified when the dominant group benefits from it”, and I don’t care how brash I’m sounding, one of the two are morally reprehensible. And you hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:52 PM
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Oh it absolutely makes you wrong because you are making the active decision to not support the basic systemic rights of a group unless you benefit, ergo your internal value system is worthy of scrutiny and judgment If that doesn’t matter to you, cool, you do you, but if people end up wanting to distance themselves from you, that’s probably why
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:50 PM
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Right, and you’re saying support for a group’s rights is dependent on if you get a benefit out of that group. Thats what I’m calling out
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:43 PM
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Oh a man is an absolutely free to decide, but also if a person (man or women) doesn’t support systemic equality, I’d consider them an awful person. You have every right to be a dick if that’s what you want, and others have every right to respond accordingly
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:42 PM
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Nobody is entitled to anyone else’s support, however, you are framing advocating for systemic equality as entitlement sooooo
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:31 PM
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Adam was the first nice guy confirmed
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:26 PM
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It’s a turn off for some but not for others idk what to tell you If a woman turned on by nerdy men is turned on by some nerdy men and not others maybe their types of nerdy don’t sync or it is stuff unrelated to him being nerdy
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:25 PM
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And yet, even with that, the framing you give isn’t universal soooooo
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:24 PM
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You can see Eve eating the fruit as her ‘picking the wrong man’, I see it as her choosing curiosity and defiance over confinement. My issue with the bible (and tbh every abrahamic religion, as well as Christian interactions with women in history) is that religion as a whole, but abrahamic religion specifically, relies on “do this cause God says so” - women who asked why; Eve, Hypatia, many women accused of witchcraft and so on questioned that and act in defiance of it. In this story, Lucifer off…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:14 PM
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Is this the ultimate nice guy mask off post? “Oh, I’m not entitled to sex or a relationship. YOU GET NOTHING! NO SUPPORT FOR YOUR CAUSES, NO ADVOCACY, NOTHING!” Tongue in cheek commentary aside, are you seriously running this whole post under the premise that if you’re not entitled to relationships, then therefore women aren’t entitled to systemic equality? Is this seriously your core argument? In the most basic terms, this is a false equivalency. If you wanna go deeper, you’ve shown that you’re…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:09 PM
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“I was born in the darkness, molded by it!” ahh post
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:39 AM
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Okay - there is a difference between active support and a slow changing of standards due to new existing circumstances. Women gained the right to vote because they actively protested and it became disruptive, women joined the workplace because they fought for it and it become disruptive, and so on and so on - in time many of these values had become normalized because future generations saw them as normal, and even then, many men still have an incredible habit of attempting to actively dismiss us…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 04:23 AM
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IRL? No, I haven’t. Because I haven’t seen a drunk man be unable to consent or speak out about it irl, online? I have a few times. Not as often as women, but a few times One thing you need to keep in mind is that men are far more likely to speak out about being SA’d or taken advantage of sexually, as such less attention is given to it because there are less instances out there to talk about
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:20 AM
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I mean…. Hypergamy isn’t really a thing nor do most men support feminism, so I’m not sure how to respond to this post
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:01 AM
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Because men are far more likely to take advantage of a drunk woman than the other way around, it is simple as that. Also, just cause you don’t see feminists talk about it as often (because it happens far less) doesn’t mean it happens less. In the instances where a drunk man is taken advantage of, and he either speaks of it or word gets out, the general consensus amongst feminist is “he was too drunk to consent”, tbh I’ve seen a lot more men go the route of “he had a good time and nobody got hurt…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:00 AM
1

Nobody’s stopping you from putting on makeup bud - not all makeup is colorful or striking, lots exists to even out skin tone, cover up blemishes/acne, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 12:52 AM
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I think it comes from wanting to maintain social victimhood, what they perceive as leverage in discourse and I think a part of it is to admit their standards are higher than they lead on is to also admit that men are heavily influenced by social media and porn. I also think it is a sliding scale, many men have no standards for the kind of women they want to fuck (especially in private), but absolutely do have high standards as far as how they’re perceived by other men. That’s why all kinds of wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 12:50 AM
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I think the issue isn’t necessarily that men are picky, I think the issue is more that many men actively act like they’re these desperate bottom feeders with no standards and are beggars, but not choosers while their perception of what an attractive woman is has entirely been impacted by porn and social media
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 12:46 AM
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So, this has been described to death and this distinction has been talked about non stop. Misogynistic men who succeed do so despite their misogyny, give the same looks and same traits to 2 men, except one is far more misogynistic than the other, guess which one most women will pick? I should also add, mix in very human aspects like lower self esteem, the man’s charm superseding his misogyny, his fun factor being high, and yeaaa… that kind of makes a difference in how one is perceived and even h…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 05:26 PM
1

I’m not even gonna sugar coat this, I’m actually kinda very impressed that you actually believe this
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 03:11 AM
1

So you believe men repressing their feelings is as instinctual, innate and necessary as sleep?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 03:03 AM
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Oh it’s def not written by AI, it is too poorly written and too ‘stream of thought’ to be AI. Its just plain old poor writing and full on historic illiteracy
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 02:54 AM
0

Who’s in the woods crying cause they need to start a fire? How you are coming up with these scenarios? Lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 02:53 AM
0

“This is the norm. Therefore it won’t change and we should not criticize it” dude
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 02:50 AM
-5

How is this even relevant?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 01:19 AM
0

Right but what traits does a desirable woman have. What makes her desirable?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 08:33 PM
2

Define “desirable women”
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 08:32 PM
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Crying in itself isn’t directly solving the problem, sure - though the reason people cry and why it is healthy it to not suppress your feelings is it allows you to release and process your feelings so you may solve it with a clear head. Active repression will eventually catch up with you and it will not be pretty
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 08:11 PM
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No….. patriarchy is based around a long series of behaviours and norms. “I don’t cry, j find solutions. Crying solves nothing. Suppress your emotions” IS partly what patriarchy teaches men because of the belief that emotions are inferior (and you didn’t outright say it but you’re actively implying it
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 08:02 PM
-3

“Most” is doing a whole lotta stretching here
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 08:00 PM
2

Some women certainly do, others don’t. How about y’all stop trying to get the approval of those who do?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 07:40 PM
0

When you’re so engrained in patriarchy as a system you have no idea what you literally describe is how patriarchy works
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 07:25 PM
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Okay… and what do I do with this info?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:56 PM
3

I mean…. To put it bluntly if you’re not supporting the rights of other women or if you actively support politicians who are antagonistic towards women’s rights (ie. Trump, if we wanna keep things contextual to the US as per the post) you kinda are on the wrong side of things and I have no qualms telling you you are in fact kinda ruining things for women as a whole lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:49 PM
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This is funny, cause I agree with you, but from the complete opposite end (ie. Women’s rights are indeed under threat and we should do something about it). The number needs to be closer to 100 than 50, and the number currently is much closer to 50 - so sadly I don’t see much progress until things get worse
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:26 PM
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Indigenous women disappear daily, black women are actively suppressed and even white women are slowly losing their reproductive rights and many changing cultural views are leaning more towards wanting women to be more trad - these are all indeed threats to women’s rights lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:11 PM
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Cuz straight women and gay women want diffent things. Also, different aspects in women are attractive than in men. Also, depends on the kind of person you’re into - like do you lean more masc or femme? Are more attracted to masc or femme women? That kind of tbing Also, “tall, confident, socially skilled, assertive, charismatic…” isn’t even fully agreed upon by straight women sooooo
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:04 PM
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Which kind of is part of the problem, is it not. I mean the majority of white women don’t care for the issues black or indigenous women face as well, as another example. That’s kind of why I bring up intersectionality lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:00 PM
3

We are what?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:58 PM
2

I don’t think you would be mansplaining if you’re mainly just theorizing on what the issues might be tbh, and who knows, you might say something insightful. And that’s kinda the question - do we even want to unify in the grand scheme of things? Because a large part of the tension is how privilege fits into this, and how it being acknowledged and seen as a part of the struggle plays a role. For example, would I actively protest with someone who wound say “I want women’s rights, but trans women ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:57 PM
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I’m not infantilizing, I am mostly saying women aren’t on the same page and we kinda need to be for actual collective uprisings to happen And in all fairness, 46% of Hispanic women, 40% of Asian women and 10% of black women also voted for Trump too - but neither are the majority, that’s key distinction but also worth addressing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:54 PM
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I edited the comment to elaborate on how racism plays a role, and I do think it is not worth dismissing. Here is the core question: if the majority of the largest democratic of women voted for, and right now 30-35% still support him, how can we be on the same page?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:48 PM
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In theory that would’ve been the case, but again, the many white women who ran these movements saw the limitations of and issues of women of color to be secondary. Women of color still worked, though also they had less say about their employment options, pay or employment rights than men of color and were actively physically/mentally/emotionally mistreated at a larger extent (they also faced exponentially higher rates of poverty as well) It does still happen to an extent now - I mean… 40+% of wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:40 PM
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Welp women’s suffrage initially began with primarily married white women upper middle to upper class women who actually had the time to organize and even then, found the issues of women of color to be secondary to their right to vote first
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:31 PM
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For one thing, the collective agreement that our rights are under threat and there is a serious risk of cis women becoming second class citizens in the US again, and trans women could lose their right to the medication they need. Maintaining an intersectional, inclusive approach is key too because racialized and indigenous women still suffer more in the US (and lots of the west) are more impacted than white women in these issues. I think we also flat out just need to be in the same page which ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:26 PM
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You’re actually very wrong about the lesbian. Many straight women (generally speaking) might laugh off the butch lesbian hitting on them aggressively, but they would still be very uncomfortable with it. And in all fairness, if the person hitting on you isn’t someone you’re attracted to, you’re far more likely to perceive it as a threat because flirting in itself inherently breaks some social boundaries, like to hit on someone you have to poke on intimacy slightly so of course if a person is unab…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:20 PM
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And this fundamental truth is?…. So far all you’ve done is asked a hypothetical question and follow up questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:01 AM
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Where are you going with this? What’s your wider intent? And don’t say “just asking” cause you clearly have a larger purpose in mind so skip all the leading questions
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 06:57 AM
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By not having community or a strong social support circle most my life and now by having it while being single? I’ve done the whole ‘relationship with no friends’ thing before and it does not last. Most surveys report similar findings as well as far as the overall need of a community of a kind
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 06:51 AM
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In the grand scheme of things, yes. I think many people will say otherwise because love and infatuation are such strong feelings, but take away one’s own community and you start feeling like you’re in a cage sooner or later. We are social creatures, at the end of the day, and eventually we all need some of kind of wider support net
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 06:43 AM
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The reason why I used the term ‘shit test’ is to say ‘if you wanna call it a shit test I won’t argue with your semantics’ - but I also don’t truly believe shit tests are a thing. It also shows how flexible the definition of the term is, cause tbh I think the only thing making it a shit test is the fact that you see it as one - I personally just see it as a way to test compatibility or if your values align, which is kinda what happens in dating
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 03:41 AM
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So your boundary is… being asked what woman inspires you? You okay?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 03:16 AM
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Here is the kicker though, if you talk about a woman who inspires you genuinely, that is a route towards connecting. I’ll give you a simple very cliche for example, say she asks a dude this question and you say “my mom” - now, if she hears that answer and dismisses you immediately, obviously she’s in the wrong, but if she asks why and you begin talking about how your mom inspires you, this might spark curiosity, bring up stories, she might learn about you and might begin sharing how her parents …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 03:15 AM
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“If she offends me, she is a low value woman” you’re very secure in your masculinity
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 03:01 AM
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Never having a lover but having a career, friends and community. The first option sounds straight up isolating. Having the love of your life all alone sounds great for the first year, but for love to grow and continue you need your own lives, your own friends, community, time away from each other and so on. Would it suck to never be in love? Sure, but imo it would suck a whole lot more to be a homebody with a single lover and nobody else to fall back on
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:53 AM
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Is it a problem behavior if you reacting negatively/walking away/deflecting/ranting about it online is your reaction? Like I happen to view you seeing this question as a shit test worth pointing as a ‘problem behavior’ as part of the problem in itself tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:15 AM
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If that’s how you’re gonna react then whoever asked you the question has truly dodged a bullet and the ‘shit test’ was successful because she learned that either a) you aren’t inspired by any women and chose to react defensively Or b) viewed the question as silly and right there and then showed a clear values mismatch. Either way, nothing gained nothing lost
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:14 AM
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That doesn’t really answer my question
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 12:35 AM
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Do you admire Hitler, Stalin and Mao as well? What about Saddam Hussein, Bashar Al Assad and Netenyahu? To be clear I am not saying that all of these are the same morally, but also if you make a statement that you’ll admire a leader regardless of politics, I wanna know where the line is
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 11:44 PM
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I have a bit of a take about all the “it’s a job interview” question - I think the issue is we’ve learned to answer here questions in a very job interview way. Like sure, there is a way to answer it that is very stale and job interview like, but there is also a way to answer it that shows what you’re passionate about, what you enjoy, what you value. It could even be a gateway to stories about the person. Idk, “it’s just a job interview” to me reads as “I haven’t looked anything up beyond trivia …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 11:14 PM
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I don’t think it is static if you have a genuine real answer. If you’re rattling off names and humoring while going by basically trivia info, of course it feels like a job interview, but if you’re truly inspired by someone then I’d think you’d be happy to talk about them in a very conversational manner
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 11:09 PM
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If you wanna call it a shit test then fine, whatever, it is a shit test but imo your answer to this question is important in the sense that your answer doesn’t matter - not in the sense that which specific women you say matter, but if you can’t think of any and think there is nothing wrong with that, deflect, act defensive, get triggered, etc it kind of is a problem
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 11:06 PM

Why do you not think that? And as far as I’m concerned you’re a stranger on the internet. If I were to get mad, why does it matter to you? (Of course I should say, I do view this as a good faith discussion so with that in mind, I am genuinely curious to read your view. You talked to me me respectfully even if we disagree on something fundamental, and I do think that gives credence to your honesty even if I am to strongly disagree)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 06:13 PM

So I think your core mistake is thinking transness and gayness are intrinsically tied, and the only separator is whether one is attracted to women or not. Drag queens, gender benders and gay men who live as women are not trans women as drag is a form of performance and drag queens are characters, gender benders might play with gender but ultimately still identify with the gender they’re born as and gay men who live as women are ultimately still gay men because that’s how they identify themselves…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 06:08 PM
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I don’t. Idk what else to say here
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 02:57 PM
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It really sounds like you should clean your room more and stop rationalizing why you shouldn’t. Of course wives/gfs are annoyed, there is work to be done in the house and you’re not even offering to help lol
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 02:47 PM
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I am mtf, yes. I am bi, though I do prefer women/non binary people and and am homoromantic so yeah, in a way I am a ‘transbian’
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 03:16 AM
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So here is my issue with your hypothetical: the entire premise behind it is so dependent on generating sympathy and ‘hypothetical’ entitlement. My answer would be “well, let’s see why men can’t get attention and see what they can do to fix it”, which is my same answer as now. You can call me cruel, misandrist, whatever - you’re not entitled to someone else’s attention, and this hypocritical does not change that. If there is a direct link, then it really sounds like men should either a) fully adv…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 01:09 AM
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Because sex is a vulnerable experience for many people and most would like to at least warm up to it, whether it takes hours or days or weeks or months or whatever. Asking it directly right away very much comes off as peering into someone’s personal life without their consent Idc if this happens in some gay male circles, it was still uncomfortable to me before I transitioned, even
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 01:05 AM
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“They” do you not see me as a trans person? And why do you believe this?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 12:14 AM
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Then you do you and embrace it. You took a chance and realized it didn’t work. No shame in that
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 10:57 PM
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Whoa lookout folks the edgelord do be edging
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 10:55 PM
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First of all, no. Second of all, read the question again.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 10:54 PM
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Tbh I would - he took a chance at something, realized it didn’t work for him, figured out what worked and continued on with his life with awareness. I do, in a way, respect detransitoners as long as they don’t use it to push a transphobic agenda. You tried something and it didn’t work for you, I respect that you tried it and I respect that you saw what worked while not holding it against others. So yes, I’d def date the type of man you described assuming we have fun together and click
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 10:53 PM

Such as?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 05:30 AM

Oooo what’s the reason
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 05:26 AM

Ya’ll are happy to fetishize us though ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 05:24 AM
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There is a gross implication here, consent and bonding becomes ‘pre selection’ and fully intellectualized. Idk, something about this framing just feels skin crawl-ee, like you really looked at a concept like consent and said “let’s intellectualize this into our manosphere bs”
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 05:22 AM

Only if my disrespectful, self centered boyfriend demands that of me
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 01:23 AM

The redder his pill the better. I especially like it when they’re bitter and angry
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 01:08 AM

No I didn’t
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 01:08 AM

Is this a serious question?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 12:57 AM

Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 12:50 AM

Oh I’d totally want to be friends, roommate with family with someone who’s unpleasant, self centred and transactional. I love being disrespected, cleaning up after people, not being heard, having my boundaries crossed and who’s inconsiderate. I love feeling like shit every day, lay it all on me
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 12:48 AM
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Then so be it, I am committing a genetic fallacy and I’m totally fine with it. I’d rather be called under some rhetoric fallacy than give credence to an idea that only exists as a form of reactionary politics
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 12:17 AM
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The bad actors are literally the ones pitching the idea, and are doing so with the intention to be reactionary. I am focusing on the bad actors because the idea is inherently tied to the bad actors. Why should I separate the two when the idea is also a dog whistle for conservative values/anti progressive values? An undisclosed number of these people would literally be fine with people like me dying (and have shown to be fine with it), why tf should I take anything they do in good faith?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 10:09 PM
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No, who says it and the context does matter. The nuclear family in itself isn’t as ‘default’ as conservatives paint it as (family structures were far more communal prior to the 1950s), and on top of that, if a bunch of people actively saying the lgbtq+ community are a threat to the family structure suddenly talk about nuclear family month the same time as pride month at a time where the right has been proven to be comically reactionary, how can I read it as anything other than an attack?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 10:05 PM
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?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 09:54 PM
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Here is what men here keep constantly and frequently missing, it is NOT the fact that you’re not getting selected is what makes your behavior immoral, its the fact that you respond to this by being bitter, resentful, and you avoid any kind of feedback or accountability you get. You can be a fully undesirable ugly person who is entirely good and moral, and most people still won’t want you. But, some might. But if you’re a fully ugly undesirable person who’s also unpleasant to be around, yes, near…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 05:32 PM
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Yeahhhh not only are your arguments based on vibes and evo psych bs, you also argue like you don’t know what patriarchy is, while confidently asserting that you know exactly what it is. What you describe are - to an extent - based on biological differences (ex. Men are indeed more visually driven), but everything else you jump off of that is entirely wrong and driven by social constructs. What’s funny is the social assumptions you base your arguments on aren’t even what makes patriarchy patriarc…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 05:31 PM
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For starters, when the people promoting it in June are also the same people spreading anti lgbtq+ rhetoric you kinda have to question the larger motive
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 04:20 AM
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And promoting it in June, at the same time as pride, in a time where right wing anti trans (and increasing anti lgbtq+, as well as anti-women’s rights) sentiment is continuing to rise. Yeah, this is a reactionary stance driven by hate, I don’t even think it truly is about supporting family structures, it is about trying to reclaim narrative dominance
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 04:19 AM

I want some of this unchecked power you speak of did I miss the memo?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 05:26 PM
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For one thing, identifying structural issues =/= victimhood. A victim mentality is more about turning individual faults into entitlements (which is what most of inceldom does) - the pay gap, the issues with the patriarchy, oppression in general are all tangible problems with clear societal roots. That’s the difference
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 05:24 PM
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It is complaining, not a debate. You’ve framed a whole topic around the idea that men have less options, and spend the whole post about how women can afford to be more selective because we are “the selectors” You’re complaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:37 PM
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“The Selectors” has me rolling Real talk though, the active complaining about this is getting circlejerk-ee, what do you want women, or even society, to do about this?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:21 PM
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As a nurse in training, I agree
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 04:28 PM
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Include towards what though? Men who are socially awkward, unattractive, unemployed and lacking in confidence? Ya’ll aren’t in any legal threat, and the only thing stopping you is yourselves. The same men you advocate for actively reject opportunities at integration unless there is a direct dating outcome, and the men you speak of have shown to be not interested in improving these intangible factors. What do you want?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 04:26 PM
0

Okay. How do you do that? Outside of forcing people to be attracted to weak males, how do you increase desirability?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 04:23 PM
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Okay, comical nature of this post aside, I’m curious what support systems we have for dating that themselves aren’t run by other members of the lgbtq+ community? Lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 04:21 PM

Ok. If a man refuses to let you look through his texts, assume he cheated. If that’s how you wanna play things, let’s assume each refusal = cheating and see how quickly things go downhill
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 04:19 PM
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Here is the thing about working on yourself: it increases your chances, but it guarantees nothing. Say you’re a fully butt ugly truly horrid 0/10 slob, working on yourself will move your chances from 0% to 0.1% or something like that - and this is for the absolute worst case scenario. That being said, working on yourself as daring advice gets messy because as dating advice, you’re making a guarantee out of something that isn’t a guarantee. Also, when living for others you’re more likely to burn …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 04:18 PM
0

A key part of the just world falling is a risk/reward promise. That good people eventually get rewarded and bad people get punished. I am doing neither, I’m saying the vast majority of people won’t insist you’re creepy unless you’re actively doing something creepy, whether you realize it or not. Not the same thing
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 04:16 PM

It kinda is targeted at both. Women with riled up feelings of anger will circulate it even if they only find solace in it momentarily, and angry men can’t resist but to watch, circulate and comment on it
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 11:25 PM

Okay, to state the obvious. Such ragebait content is indeed man hating, though I am calling it ragebait here because you’re basing your opinion on content designed to piss you off, not reality
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 10:00 PM

I feel like there is a difference between going for men who initially put up a charming image then flip it on you vs “women in my reels are like this. I hate women!!!!!” Just a thought
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 09:54 PM

Idk what to tell you, find better women…. Or tbh find any woman and stop basing your views on rage bait Which version do you prefer?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 09:46 PM
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I don’t think you know what the term ‘just world fallacy’ means if you think that’s what my statement is
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 09:16 PM
5

There are lots, it really sounds likes a you problem cause myself prior to transforming and many other men don’t run into the same issues you do
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 09:05 PM
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And do the women who say they hate it speak for women as a whole? And I mean…. It is creepy. There is a difference between going to a hobby group, seeing a person you’re attracted to, and talking to them vs going to a hobby group and hitting on every woman you find mildly hot
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 09:04 PM
5

I’m beginning to think my taking of your comment in good faith was against my better judgment. Everything you’re asking is answered in my initial comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 09:00 PM
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And I literally also said you gotta be respectful about it, the other person shouldn’t be busy and just leave when ‘no’ is heard, seems like you’re taking in half the info I give you
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 08:57 PM
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In the off chance you genuinely are talking in good faith, places where socializing is more the norm (bars, coffee shops, clubs, the park, social events, hobby groups, college cafeterias, shared classes *after or before said class, to be clear) are all great places to do assuming the person you’re approaching does not look busy, you’re respectful about it
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 08:55 PM
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It’s been talked about to death, and mentioned over and over and over and over again. Don’t play dumb
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 08:53 PM
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Yeah you’re totally not bitter and resentful. Tbh 99% of what you’ve written is untrue for the majority of men. If you’re actively getting shamed and constantly fear accusations it flat out is because you’ve either done, or know you might doc something creepy. If you’re approaching women in places where it is generally socially acceptable to do so, are respectful about it and leave soon as you get “no” then the most you’ll get is an unpleasant response, and those aren’t akin to being accused of …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 08:45 PM

Funny, cause a few weeks ago I could’ve sworn other men with RP related flairs said that women only have types, but men don’t. Kinda shows how baseless a lot of these claims are tbh Everyone has types, and the types can differ between one’s own individual wants. Your framing of “white, chizzled jaw, muscular, etc” is flawed inherently because some women indeed prefer someone who looks like that, others are indifferent, others hate it. However, men actively just don’t believe us when we say we li…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 08:32 PM
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Not necessarily, I mean jt prob shaves some points off the overall ‘passing score’ (for lack of a better term), but whether you pass or not is dependent on an accumulation of things. I’ve begun passing on occasion recently (and I do wear tank and crop tops), and I think the difference is my softer facial features, hair, makeup, body proportions and the fact that I don’t have lean or ripper muscle, I do have a layer of fat over so it does kinda add to the skin depth/softness. So I mean, as far as…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 07:06 PM
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I think - especially being a trans woman - there is this general expectation to overperform femininity to ‘prove myself’ but it just isn’t me, and I don’t like that because I am a lot more complex than that, but also I don’t like the butch label because I do enjoy femme stuff as well. Like sure, I’d describe my personality as ‘masc in a femme way’, but also, I don’t own any skirts, the only makeup I do is my eyes and foundation, I love getting dirty in hikes, I will touch gross shit, I talk like…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 04:41 PM

This sub has reached a new rock bottom. One person promoting marital rape and calling it something else, and now somebody else promoting literal manipulation tactics to keep his wife “submissive and sexual” while promoting unhealthy dynamics. This is legit getting messed up. Next someone will promote DV calling it physical dominance or some shit
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 05:36 AM
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Okay, so in your mind, if someone is mandated - even if this mandates includes legal force (because that’s what this obligation is),then therefore ethics does not fit into the conversation? Does that mean that every law ever passed has therefore no reason to justify itself ethically? And “made an example” - what does that mean? You want to punish someone for refusing to have sex? Again, do you not see what you are advocating for?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:39 PM
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Let me rephrase my question, and I’ll take you step by step for this. When someone doesn’t want to have sex, but do so anyways because they are told they have to. Does that sound okay or ethical?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:33 PM
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Okay. In this context, the legal advantage is that he gets sex because she is obligated to give him sex by law. When one doesn’t want to have sex, yet they do so because it is the law, what do you call that?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:26 PM
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“To have some legal advantage” do you know what this is called in the context that it is (fully and rightfully) illegal? Why might it be called that?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:23 PM
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“If marital rape was institutionalised and named something else, would you give your right to refuse away?” Wtf is this
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:20 PM
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I also think the discomfort around sex as a concept is what’s driving this for a lot of people. A woman going fully explicit is still somewhat controversial in mainstream settings nowadays
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 07:26 PM
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True, though I’d argue the core basis of that genre is the male v female dynamic so it is a bit of an exception to the statement - and even then if you describe it as “beauty and the beast metal” that kinda does the job real well
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 07:24 PM
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Same, so far OP’s been dodging quite hilariously so he has to run out of excuses eventually
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 05:40 PM
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I didn’t ask you to look up an entire band’s discography, I asked you to google sexual songs from these bands. I’ll even get started for you. Upon googling “sexual songs by Ghost” and you get Mary on a Cross, Jigolo Har Megiddo, Kiss the Go-Goat, Monstrace Clock, Umbra, etc You can google the rest… or look up the lyrics of any of these songs. It ain’t hard
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 05:33 PM
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It really feels like you have a thing against women and black men lol
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 05:26 PM
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No, I think you just don’t understand what lyrics mean. Peach is euphemism for ass, this is basic pop culture. Also you keep referencing Dark Horse. What lyrics are as explicitly sexual on that song to where you’d obviously undeniably see it where Peaches flew over your head?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 05:18 PM
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Famed pop band, Nightwish
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 05:17 PM
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You keep changing the goalposts lmao Look these bands up, google ‘sexual songs by (insert band here)’ and you’ll find stuff
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 05:16 PM
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Fair enough, I guess then we are talking about the nuances on whether sexuality is a part of the narrative of the song or the point of the song. Which yeah, there is a difference for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 05:01 PM
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Again, I commented with modern bands in a different comment where you asked me. And this is to support my claim that it always has been sexual. Learn about the genre you claim to love, please
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:58 PM
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Seeing that your favorite band is rise against, it doesn’t surprise me that you have this opinion (yeah, I’ll judge you for it) - and in another comment I gave you a bunch of examples. Lots of the classics have strong sexual themes too. Rolling Stones, Van Halen, Aerosmith, nearly every hair metal band, Queen, Elvis and many others contain sexual themes in the music and even play into sexuality in their shows
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:57 PM
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Speaking of, I find a very good litmus test is to see if a man thinks “female vocals” is a subgenre of rock/metal
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:53 PM
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Peaches is literally about girls from George with big asses as well
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:52 PM
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You seem heavily focused on singling out black males. And yeah, while not all hip hop is pop - lots of mainstream hip hop fits into modern pop culture and takes from pop elements. Pop is more a blanket term than a true genre as pop in itself has actively adapted and changed with the times
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:51 PM
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Femaninomenon, Red Wine Super Nova, After Midnight, Casual, Hot to Go, Super Graphic Ultra Modern Girl all have sexual themes from the top of my head. The Giver is also the obvious one (funnily enough my favorite Chapelle song) Now, it is true that they’re not sexualized the same way male gaze driven pop music is, but they’re still quite sexualized nonetheless
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:49 PM
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Half of Ghost’s discography, Sleep Token, Deftones, Type O Negative, Creeper, The Struts all off the top of my head. There is a ton more
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:47 PM
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Obviously yummy is about good cooking and peaches is about the fruit, get educated
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:42 PM
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A lot of modern rock is about sex wdym lol
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:40 PM
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That’s another huge factor. A lot of male focused industry written pop music (especially boy band stuff, but also solo stuff) is heavily targeted at teenage girls, not adults
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:38 PM
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Drake is arguably as much pop as he is hip hop lol Most mainstream hip hop does cross over into pop tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:36 PM
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Chapelle’s lyrics can get quite sexual…. Though they’re also very very gay (which I’m all for, just felt like I needed to make this correction)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:35 PM
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This feels heavily cherry picked. Lots of male hip hop and rock music is sexual in nature. Especially hip hop can get extremely graphic at most and lots of desire for ass shacking and the act of sex most commonly. Most music made by men is quite sexual as well. Now, for pop music - a more accurate view of sexuality falls into a few categories. Pure tongue in cheek/humor (Sabrina), sexuality as part of lifestyle (Charli), male gaze driven industry control (Brittany, Ariana, Perry, etc - the major…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:30 PM
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It is especially funny when you say a mundane statement in a suggestive way
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:26 PM
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I don’t consume euphoria and love island, but I’m not exactly innocent as I do love my sexual themes in music and I do love sexually as expression/art. I also think it works really well with humor But that being said, the short answer is because it is intimate, personal and fun. Like if we wanna talk about the ‘main’ mainstream topics, everyone talks about sex a ton - even straight men, but if the alternative is hustle culture, cars, money, etc - that shit bores me to oblivion. I also think it i…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 02:43 PM

Because to many women, what’s physically attractive in the sense of what’s on front of them vs what they get off to in porn tend to differ greatly. Lots of straight porn - to put it bluntly - is boring and is interested in treating women as a thing to be fucked rather than mutual pleasure, for example. Another example, sexuality as far as the physical experience vs the imagination based experience have been shown to differ in multiple ways. For example, some women do have the fantasy of being gr…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 02:01 PM

Here is the thing: you’ve created a logical trap. You’ve essentially either made every mode of attraction gender neutral or have fully invalidated it. Also, ‘femininity’ and ‘masculinity’ are not exclusive to gender. They’re forms of expression, but not gender exclusive. Now, a part of it is physical. But you replied to that with “what about tall athletic women” - In which case, why aren’t most straight men attracted to femboys? And for those in the transphobic persuasion, why are many men - who…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 01:47 PM

No, I’m gonna disagree with this. I’m queer and primarily date women, for the record. Most women are straight and are primarily attracted to men, a lot of is it to with physical features (not necessarily ‘attractive Chad’ but also think things like body hair, thicker skin, the lack of breasts), vocal cues, the presence of certain body parts, and even personality in context to how it ties into all this. The same personality can be perceived very differently with a male v female body, and that’s s…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 01:39 PM
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It genuinely sounds like you’re avoiding giving me a real answer. I’m gonna ask you again, why did you feel the need to actively re-assert that if women aren’t traditional, the same applies to men? help ne understand why you framed it in such a way
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 01:05 AM
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OP is saying the entire idea of American traditionalism is based off fabricated, largely artificial ideals. I also don’t see how “yes, women don’t have to be traditional and men don’t have to. Cool?” As a response process really adds anything. Again, it sounds more like a warning than nothing genuine
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 01:03 AM
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So why actively re-assert it?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 01:00 AM
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I guess what I’m trying to understand is, why are you actively repeating that men don’t have to bread winners like you’re waving a threat or making a warning? Like yes, men absolutely don’t have to be traditional, most people replying to you agree - though the focus isn’t on the point itself its the why. Why do you feel the need to repeat this so astutely like someone is saying men have to be traditional?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 12:48 AM
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I don’t doubt the similarities, but we are talking about a full blown movement impacting tens of millions of young men (and boys) vs someone who was viral for a little bit and has kinda fallen off the radar
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 12:28 AM
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Kinda, but not really - you have to go down a long list to where a million pops up and to add to this, if you’re comparing one person to a whole ass movement that’s full on mainstream, this person that most people replying to this thread have never even heard of kinda draws scrutiny towards the comparison. Also her posts get between 500 and 15k likes for the most part despite the million followers. Engagement just isn’t on her side
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 12:27 AM
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Exactly - even in a good faith context the comparison just doesn’t hold
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 12:05 AM

Not with that attitude
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 11:43 PM
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For one thing this SheraSeven lady is a single content creator whose most popular content is a decade old, and she’s never cracked a million views. In fact she’s only reached over 400k once. TRP is a full blown ideology coupled with a multi-million dollar industry, influencers that can sneak their way into any algorithm and is something most people at least know of
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 11:25 PM

I was absolutely being sarcastic too because I know exactly what you’re talking about and asking, though I was pointing out if that was what you wanted, you would’ve done that Instead you’re using “if I was (insert gender here) life would be easier” and your basis for it is entirely self victimization. Like this is prime woe is me content
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 11:21 PM

So is it about being a woman? Or is it about specifically being an attractive woman int our view? Cause you said only “life as a woman” soooo
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 11:15 PM

As the old saying goes, if you wanna be a girl, you can be a girl. What’s stopping you?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 11:10 PM
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So wait, a dude got up for a woman to sit, and you gave him a whole ass word salad and he agreed?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 07:06 PM
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In all fairness a lot of the popular female dating tactics are pretty awful too. Also, things like female dating strategies and these mind games and so on have become less popular among women over the years - TRP has become a lot more popular to where it is full on mainstream. To add to this, TRP pushed further than psychology and reinforces messy norms, at this point it isn’t just “how to manipulate women” but also the fire they women are inherently manipulable and can be figured out like code.…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 02:16 PM
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Cool. At least you’re consistent. In which case, I still disagree. Because when describing the potential for predatory, sexually imposing or problematic behavior, we aren’t singling out men who have already performed said acts. What is explicitly being said is that literally any random man could sexually harass someone, assault someone or worse. Yes, most men don’t actually commit these acts but nearly every woman has had an experience of at the very least being sexually harassed, and the threat…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 11:48 PM
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I literally explained how. You’re trying to connect ‘men’ to in the same realm as phrases like ‘girls’ or ‘females’ when it felt out isn’t. How do you feel about men who make all kinds of content, and comment on this sub actively talking about women as a single continuous hive mind? AWALT is one part, but also there is a long paper trail of men actively framing women as having no agency and as being slaves to biological instincts only. How is that any different from everything you spoke of?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 11:34 PM
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Is all you have is copy-pasting the same answer? I read your post. It fully relies on false equivalencies. It “blurs the line” the same way men actively generalize women’s behaviour via content (which trends to get extremely viral to the point of being everywhere) that make grandiose claims about how women behave. Again, you’re narrative building on false equivalencies because in all reality, this idea sounded nice in your head but had nothing to actually support it
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 11:22 PM
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I call myself a trans woman, not a trans girl or a trans female. There is a reason for this. To add to this, words do indeed have power - ‘girl’ has historically been tied to infantilising and ‘female’ has historically been tied to dehumanization (in particular that of the incel variety) - and tbh I even think those are contextual. Like there is a difference between ‘girl’ as in ‘girlfriend’, a person (regardless of gender) using it in a light hearted context or a woman calling herself or her fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 11:00 PM

Oh my bad, I meant to say “I’m not saying you’re doing this” - thought I put ‘not’ in. I’ll get it fixed
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 10:00 PM

I will admit, while it is absolutely important to have friends of both genders and to maintain a varied and well rounded world view, I’ve grown more weary of “make more female friends” as dating advice because it very quickly falls into your usual dating scheming and means to an end style thinking. To be clear I’m not saying you’re doing this - I don’t know if you are or aren’t, but I am saying I’ve seen it be used as advice to be a means to an end before and I feel it feeds into the same issue:…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 09:30 PM
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How long ago was the man v bear thing? Lmao I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again: the man v bear debate has done irreparable damage to the psyche of men in this sub That all being said, it’s been explained a thousand times at this point. The point of man v bear is to say that a random man in the woods is more likely to approach you, and even assault you than a bear is likely to attack you. Bears are predictable, and usually a bear wants to be left alone. When bears attack, they feel threa…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 09:26 PM
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And for every person like you, there are many others who got screwed over doing this. Assuming ya’ll stay good in the long run (and I hope you do), you shouldn’t promote your experience as the norm
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 06:21 PM
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I know exactly what you’re saying. That’s what I am specifically responding to
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 06:02 PM
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Yes, and?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 06:02 PM
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Because ‘financially dependent relationships’ are inherently not the most secure, especially if you’re not married. By being a stay at home partner at all times, you’re essentially sacrificing your own future for what is perceived as the present. What happens if the relationship doesn’t work out and your partner is working while you’re not a decade or so later? You’re not independent, you’ve been out of work for so long and tbh you’re making it real easy for someone to be controlling. I think th…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 03:47 PM
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“Why don’t I find that women in the USA automatically give me the strong and powerful treatment I feel entitled to?” Fixed it
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 03:43 PM

It’s an upgrade imo - if your hairline is seriously thinning/receding, embrace the baldness, I do think it is a better look and idk, acceptance of this is attractive Like I prefer my men with hair but also, bald over balding literally any day
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 10:47 AM

By all means, wear lifts or a toupee, but they do just scream ‘I’m very insecure about myself’ once found out and if that’s how people perceive you, then so be it, live with that. I think the difference between them and makeup is that while makeup can be hard to cover up insecurities and act as compensation, that isn’t necessarily the case since 99/100 times you can obviously tell someone has makeup up. Like yes, she doesn’t naturally have red lips or Smokey eye lids. No shits. Of course, some w…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 10:46 AM
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I’m sure this is the case for some people, but it isn’t universal. I guess it can be a generalization in that this is why women with low self esteem want confident men, but also you can’t run with the baked in assumption that only women with low self esteem want confident men therefore it can be a generalization for an entire gender. And no, it isn’t about someone else making the decisions. It is because a confident person is sure of themselves and knows what they want. That’s attractive. People…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 06:19 AM
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You can absolutely see potential personality traits by the way one dresses, but I don’t see how one dresses can tell you about the quality of their character - their core values, their treatment of others, their views on sexuality/gender, what they believe to be right or wrong. How can judge one’s quality of character - not their personality - by their outfit? Of course there are occasional cues. Like if they don’t take care of themselves that’s one thing, but we are talking about the realm of r…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 09:26 PM
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I think they absolutely are because while you owe nobody anything, being decent to one another and just trying to be a good person is a statement of character. How you dress says nothing about the quality of your character, choosing to actively state because there is nothing legally blocking absolutely is. Again, if you wanna be a creep by all means, but also people will distance themselves from you for it
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 09:07 PM
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You’re right, and I’m saying if people find the person staring to be offputting and choose to avoid them or label them as creepy (which yeah - that behavior is uncomfortable and creepy), then others will be bothered, label them as creeps and tell others to steer away. If you wanna stare; that’s your right but it is also everyone else’s right to view you negatively for this or to be made to be uncomfortable around you for this
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 08:59 PM
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And only one mentions ‘ingrained’ - which I think is kinda really very important here because when misogyny is often talked about, it is as much systemic as much as it is personal. A lot of it relies on habits/beliefs/behaviors fully viewed as just normal
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 08:37 PM
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100% - nobody owes you anything. If you want to keep staring, that’s your prerogative, but also you have to be okay with people viewing you as a creep for this behavior as well. If you’re okay with being viewed as a creep who women would rather avoid, that’s entirely your right - but also, don’t complain that others are uncomfortable around you
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 08:29 PM
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So what you’re saying is, how a person dresses would prevent you from treating them just like anyone else? You’re going awfully close to victim blaming towards SA victims here that I have to assume that “what is she wearing” is something you internally ask yourself. It is okay to look at someone and be attracted to them, but if you can’t control yourself, if you can’t stop staring, if you start emotionally attaching it to their character or how they might conduct their relationships then that is…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 08:27 PM
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“Integrated prejudice” is key here. You just glossed over that very casually lol
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 08:22 PM
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No?…… what causes misogyny is the fact that men have felt historically entitled to women’s bodies, reproductive rights and preferences as far as what we want to do with our lives. Yeah, there are women who are indeed awful, and some forms of feminism that are harmful as well , but also misogyny isn’t about women being disliked or hated. You can absolutely love women and still be misogynist and in fact many misogynists do in fact either love women or are indifferent about women and yet are indeed…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 08:20 PM
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Wanna throw in actual examples of what you’re talking about? All you’ve done was throw accusations and statements and then proceed to talk about how men are the victims cause they get their feelings hurt. People can’t respond to your argument if all you’ve got is arguments with no basis
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 06:38 AM
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Oh look, more “hypergamy means whatever I want it to mean” - preferring a slightly more expensive, perhaps richer beer is, in fact, hypergamy as well
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 03:14 AM

….. and in creative/fun dates you get closer, have fun togther and get to know each other. What do you think happens after a date where you genuinely have fun? You start opening up to each other and getting know each other lol To be clear a creative and fun date should NOT be a means to an end, I think that is a good way to set yourself up for failure, but what I am saying is having fun together is a bonding experience and a low stakes way to show your fun/easy going side
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 03:12 AM
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And this fits as a response… how?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 06:04 PM
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“Mostly” is the key term. If you’re a woman travelling alone, the risk of being trafficked does increase quite notably than when you’re with friends or family.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 06:02 PM
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I was a man for 31 years. I was and at dating at first, then I got okay at it, then I got decent at it. I’m not gonna say I was ever “good” at it, but I’ve had some relationships/situations, dated semi frequently and so on. Of course, it took time and lots of trial and error and figuring out what worked As a woman I’ve only just begun dating recently. Although I really stopped dating conventionally - instead of actively seeking it out I kinda run it on vibes and just see what happens. I find tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 05:59 PM
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60-64% of sex trafficking cases happen in Eastern Europe wdym
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 05:54 PM
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Women rely a lot more on community than men, and men often don’t see value in even maintaining active and various friendships. Men have been told to reflect on that but more often than not, it’s been met with denial and deflection. Of course, men absolutely should be more open to community with each other, but that takes a long unlearning process. For women, being friend with/close to other women is about safety in numbers - and in particular in Eastern Europe the sex trafficking concern is real…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 05:53 PM
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I’m gonna be honest, that doesn’t sound like a ‘people’ problem, that sounds like a you problem. I don’t mean to sound mean saying this, cause I do genuinely say it in earnest and in good faith - have you talked to a professional about this?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 03:26 AM
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So do you hang out with no one? Lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 03:25 AM
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Here is the thing, and I’ve noticed this quite frequently: the only people who seem to actively have trouble making friends with those they are attracted to are straight cis men who exclusively spend their time around other straight cis men. Sure, some straight women believe they can’t but I believe they can’t be friends with the opposite gender but they are far less than men. If bisexuals and people attracted to the same sex, as well as most cis straight women can be friends with those they are…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 03:21 AM

Kinda, but not exactly. Historically men have positioned themselves as the ones holding onto and controlling societal resources, which actively prevented women from gaining social and economic independence. As such, women historically had very little choice - either be with a man or live a life that is far more unsustainable. Now, however, this is less so the case - as such men don’t really have to be resource providers to bring companionship, however, fit and chemistry begin to matter a lot mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 06:06 PM
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Luckily that’s not true. That being said, if it were - then I’m glad such a greedy/destructive species would be gone. Luckily Though, most humans (including most men) are not that cruel
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 03:42 PM
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Then it sounds like you have some acceptance and re-evaluation to do cause none of these would happen. I mean going the fascist route is, but most people are kinda against that
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 03:35 PM
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Nevermind the fact that your solution for men are laughably unrealistic too
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 03:27 PM
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So all of which range from straight up taking anti-human rights positions and essentially becoming a fully restrictive borderline fascist state, or a comically unrealistic solution that shows a severe lack of understanding of economics and human psychology?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 03:03 PM
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Soooooo what solutions might be proposed?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 02:43 PM
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“This post is descriptive. Therefore I have absolved myself of all judgement” is not a claim you can make when your entire post relies on judgments… and not even accurate ones. I think what often happens is men hyper fixate on what’s many women’s ideal partner but fail to see that ‘ideal’ in itself isn’t a standard. The vast majoriry of women who date men don’t date men who are rich, tall, on top of the social hierarchy, whatever. That’s really all you can say here cause when you keep insisting …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 12:13 AM
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You’ve missed my point entirely then. I know you didn’t mention violence, but what I am saying is “you want equality? I’ll be mean to you too” is akin to men who say “equality means I can hit women now” - it is the same thought process
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 06:06 PM
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When one says “this has x energy to it” it does not mean you literally said it lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 05:59 PM
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And this is based on what? Dating app data? Who’s “they”? Do you have the study?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 03:19 PM
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And society so happens to run under patriarchal values where men actively police each other. Funny
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 03:18 PM
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Except I didn’t argue that. What I am saying is richer people are more likely to present the image of kindness/respect. “The image of” doesn’t mean “actually are” and a lot of it is external behavior, not internal values. And we already know that people who speak more cleanly, groom well, dress nicely and so on are perceived as better - and this goes beyond gender lines. Rich people happen to be more well spoken and tend to take better care of themselves physically. So again, this doesn’t transl…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 03:16 PM
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I often think there is a disconnect here. You can be masculine and not uphold traditional (ie. Conservative) gender roles at a wider societal levels
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 03:10 PM
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Sooooo correlation = causation now? Are you not factoring in things like presentation? Charisma? How someone might treat the other and how they might perceive that treatment? For example, an ugly woman doing the same behavior as an attractive woman is perceived as much worse. Is this because “all men are shallow and don’t care for character” or is it more complex than that?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 03:09 PM
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Do you think “women are all gold diggers” is the truth?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 03:05 PM
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I guess what I’m trying to understand is, how do women as an entire gender add to this issue? And is the lack of media literacy of RP men reacting to what’s basically reckless unwise young people (cause that’s what TikTok and X discourse is) to blame on women? Or is it to blame on dumb young passionate people being young/dumb/unwise? Like at the end of the day, most RP reactionary content creators are men in their 30s and 40s taking the not the most educated and more emotionally driven content o…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 02:51 PM
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In later comments I made it clear that incidental discomfort is not harassment and OP doubled down on the bad faith bit. Language has impact, his core argument is if you’re gonna make someone uncomfortable anyway then embrace it, and framing it as “he has to harass” is harmful rhetoric in that it loosens what the phrase means and it does reenforce rape culture. I don’t think I’m arguing in bad faith, I am calling out OP’s liberal use of the phrase ‘harassment’
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:54 AM
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I mean you literally explained in other comments how if you’re gonna make women uncomfortable anyway, even if accidentally, then that’s what it is and men should be okay with that. I’m literally telling you that incidental discomfort is not harassment and hardly anyone thinks it is. You’ve also never engaged with why I’m interpreting you incorrectly. All you’ve done is throw accusations and deflections
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:44 AM
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Oh I fully get the meaning of the post, and if it ended at “be confident and assertive. You might accidentally make someone uncomfortable and that’s fine” that’s one thing, but here you are embracing harassment as a phrase because…. What? An internet narrative grifters online formed about “OH well I guess approaching women is harassment now?!?!” I get what you’re doing. You’re doing the same thing the modern right did with “if you’re gonna keep calling me a Nazi, fine I’ll be a Nazi to you” and …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:39 AM
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If your bar for “harassment” is risk of accidentally making someone uncomfortable then you either don’t know what the word means or are equating incidental discomfort with harassment… and somehow have turned it into embracing harassment as a phrase? What?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:32 AM
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Here is the a novel idea: if you’re approaching someone and they’re weary you’re probably doing something wrong. Many healthy relationships and hookups start with mutual interest, or making a respectful approach. If you have to basically approach someone, assert yourself onto them (even if subtly/socially), engage in some coercion then you’re being kinda rapey, and I’m not gonna sugar coat it. Even if you’re saying “you gotta harass” as a simple substitution for being assertive and confident, yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:31 AM
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And yet dudes out here yammering on about “there is no such thing as rape culture” or “women shouldn’t worry about men approaching them” - when harassment is talked about this liberally, and even if just the terminology is used interchangeably - yeah, that kinda calls your character into question and it kinda does give us the right to be skeptical and even uneasy around men. “Not all men, but usually a man” exists for posts like yours
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:23 AM
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This has “oh equality? COOL I CAN HIT WOMEN NOW!” Energy to it How about ya’ll just….. but kinder to each other and not try to actively big dick one another? Just a thought
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 11:16 PM

For me personally? Employed (or on their way to employment), well groomed, not necessarily fit but not out of shape, fashionable/having style is def an important standard as well to me. You can’t just be “generic put together looking person” to me. You have to have some level of individuality and self expression
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 12:40 PM
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That then makes the mechanical act of ejaculation a need, not sex - which is why wet dreams and masturbation exist
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 12:35 PM

Not at all. Because I don’t think the average man is “fit, well groomed and well dressed” - wearing a dress shirt and combing your hair occasionally does not count lol
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 12:33 PM
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I was confused on what you were talking about, and of you’d turn this towards the usual trad stuff. These traits in themselves, when self possessed aren’t bad and are useful. However, the fact that men actively use them to describe “this is how women should be” is when it becomes a problem. This is why having these traits in itself isn’t weakness, but in the cultural context of things it kinda is, because ironically what you describe as strength are exactly what men describe as subservient (errr…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 12:32 PM

Wearing a single dress shirt once in a while, being employed, occasionally being well groomed is not a particularly impressive standard to reach. I’m gonna leave out mentally stable cause most people - including women - are mentally stable. Men are legit falling for the same social media trends they saw teenage girls fall for a decade or so ago. This isn’t to make fun of anyone, but also the defensive denial and insistence that this is how the world works is getting tiring
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 12:26 PM
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True, I mean posts about looks based stuff get deleted all the time despite the most influential manosphere influencer being the literal king of looksmaxxers. I feel like that’s an elephant in the room can’t be discussed cause the mods would rather avoid the topic completely
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 01:21 AM
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The PPD mods showing their biases again. Repetitive posts based on a phrase I won’t say can get intellectualizes to death, but calling it for what it is will get your comment deleted. Post something genuinely compelling, but if it doesn’t nearly fit to a singe flair it gets deleted, or it gets removed cause it is framed as a rant (there are a couple of posts that were posted here which were genuinely contemplative and that could’ve gotten lots of great discussion, but they get removed before I c…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 01:14 AM
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So if a male doesn’t get sex he dies?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 01:07 AM
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I think lots of people’s view on the topic has been made very clear in the many many many many posts discussing this in the past couple of weeks
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 01:05 AM
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Omfg this shit has become a mind virus. For the 90th time now, most women are not secretly queer or deep in the closet, if that were the case, queer women who actually did come out and who were once closeted would be able to more easily infinity with straight women, but alas, the world of straight women is very very diffent from that of queer women, even the closeted ones. At this point such content has to be spam cause every couple of days we see some version of “women are secretly lesbians”
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 01:04 AM
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You mean…. A system (a little word with a P that ya’ll don’t like) that actively encourage men to be stoic and emotionally unmoving cause that’s how ‘men are supposed to be. Men are conquerors and leaders, men must make the hard decisions, men aren’t emotional like women’ Also, I never said men were born this way. However, you are relying heavily on revisionist history
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 11:32 PM
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Tbh I lose respect for anyone who forgives cheating, regardless of gender It also isn’t even about masculinity. It is about you communicating to me that you let your cheating partner walk all over you. It tells me you’re okay with being disrespected. It is very easy to not cheat, and your partner shouldn’t be forgiven for cheating
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 02:00 AM
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Cool. Then open up to each other, please. Most men don’t even open up to other men and excuse it by “that’s just how men are”, and it is men who keep saying being vulnerable to a partner feels better, men keep making their feelings everyone’s problem, and men actively either find ways to externalize, or blame everyone else for their issues. This isn’t some “WoMeN ARe WOnDeRFulL” bs, this is all supported by real data. Men absolutely should open up each other and even mental health professionals …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 01:55 AM
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It was what you framed your post around through. With a title like “women have ruined cold approaching” then you talk about building a connection, you’ve framed cold approaching as connection building
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 04:20 PM
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You called cold approaching ‘building a connection’ - all it is is “this person is attractive. I will talk to them” - jf your primary drive is that they’re hot, while you certainly can and should build a connection with people you talk to, cold approaching - as colloquially understood - is not connection building
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 02:46 PM
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I find your language of “building a connection” incredibly disingenuous. “You’re hot. I will approach you.” Is not connection building, it is being attracted to someone. Also, the majority of women will agree that approaching is fine in appreciate settings, though “the gym or just about anywhere” isn’t unless you’re that good at reading social cues and both of ya’ll are clearly into each other. Like this feels like it should be the least controversial thing ever - and yet, cause you couldn’t act…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 02:09 PM
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Low birth rates are talked about non stop. However, it isn’t as big an issue as conservatives are making it out to be. The world is overpopulated, and the current economic climate (and the literal climate) just aren’t creating friendly conditions towards having families. Lonljness is indeed an issue, though that’s largely related to - once more - our economic climate as well as social media being as huge and isolating as it is. Sexlessness ties into this as less people meeting up = less people f…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 05:41 AM
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And what exactly is the problem? That dating isn’t based around equality? why do you think something based around personal preferences should be build on equality? Or is it that feminists and many others want equal rights in most instances and dating isn’t one of them? In which case do you view dating another person to be similar to rights centred around the individual? Do you view dating similar to a material asset? Do you realize that the hypocrisy you claim to call out is not hypocrisy at all…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 05:31 AM
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Okay. Tell me how we get equality in dating. I know you said “I’m not proposing a solution” but also, if you just hear not presenting any substance other than “here are the problems. I have nothing else to add” it is then a rant, not a debate post. I see this a lot, manosphere dudes asking for equality in dating like dating is a material asset. Dating is inherently discriminatory entirely based on one’s preferences. How do you make it more equal without forcing people to date each other?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 03:33 AM
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This is both the most pro man and anti man post I’ve ever at the same time
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 02:53 AM
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100%, and we do biologically change quite a bit, but also we are basically overriding existing hardware which is still there at the end of the day in some form
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:53 PM
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LOL you know what? I can respect the thought you’ve put into it
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:52 PM
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That wasn’t my question though
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:46 PM
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Yeaaaaa a lot of dating discourse (or frankly trans discourse as a whole) tends to ignore trans men almost entirely, I do think that has a lot to do with viewing trans men as women and the associated psychiatry related thought processes to go with that
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:42 PM
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Did I run away? Or did the comment simply get buried under others or I forgot to reply? If you lead me to it I can prob tell you why I didn’t reply That being said. I’m not “pressing the man for his preference” - I am pressing on his use of straight and how he’s contextualizing it. Believe it or not, you can be a straight man and not attracted to some, or even most women
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:39 PM
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You didn’t answer my question yet You actively dodging it isn’t doing you any favors
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:35 PM
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In all fairness, even though HRT does change your secondary sex hormones and even if you did have bottom surgery, you’re still biologically the sex you’re not as. That being said, that info is really only relevant in a medical setting and dating contexts tbh (like genital preferences, even if the genital is a post-op vs what someone was born with do matter) And you were right in an earlier comment. “Biological sex” is often used as a transphobic dog whistle though I feel the response shouldn’t b…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:34 PM
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Why are you avoiding the question? Answer it. Under that view, a biological women dating a passing, beautiful trans woman who still has her penis is straight and a man dating a passing, burly, hairy muscular trans man who still has his vagina is also straight. Do you think this view accurately represents what straight attraction is?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:27 PM
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Oh to be clear ‘fetishize’ =/= ‘want to date’ - moreso they just wanna fuck and end it at that. Though also often in this discourse people do tend to lump in ‘don’t want to date’ with ‘not attracted to’, so I wanted to make that separation clear
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:22 PM
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I’m just saying… the attention clocky trans women get from straight men (particularly online, but even in person) says otherwise lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:17 PM
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You said “most of us are straight and don’t want to date a biological male” so it absolutely is relevant since you brought it up. Answer the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:14 PM
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So what you’re saying is, if a man is dating a hairy, muscular, burly trans man (ie. born a woman, transitioned into a man) who had top surgery (breast removal) and still has a vagina, that’s straight?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:04 PM
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And yet they’re happy to actively fetishize us Funnily enough I’ve seen trans women who pass report less attention from man then when they didn’t pass… gee, I wonder why
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:03 PM
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No… it is talked about all the time and a huge amount of trans women will speak up if we feel we are discriminated on for being trans. It is true that some cis (particularly straight if we are being honest) women try to dissuade men from dating trans women, but also straight men and their feared perception of being gay (even if that’s wrong) arguably plays a bigger role if not bigger, and that kind of social perception is primarily held by other men - and yes, it is true that both genders enforc…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 03:59 PM
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It is controlling because you are weaponizing intimacy and her feelings for you, like that’s really tall there is to say lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 03:31 AM
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h u n t e r e y e s
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 03:29 AM
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I think you’re almost there. One’s aesthetic matters in that their aesthetic choices can say a decent amount about them, but it isn’t just archetype - it also is about how you personalize that archetype. Like if you wanna go emo as an example, generic store bought emo will just make you look like a poser - to put it bluntly - but creative and personal about it. Take an ‘archetype’ that fits your personality and your interest, and learn how to express it in a way that fits you. That way people wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 02:10 AM
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I mean…. Is it though? Movements that were wholly driven by fighting for women’s rights began with and are still maintained by women supporting each other, and every major stat will tell you women are better at making community with each other than men - and if you want something anecdotal, I can tell you I’ve had a lot more support from women since transition than I did from men when I lived as a man. Men are amazing at circlejerking, like truly - but ya’ll suck at mutual support and spaces tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 09:25 PM
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Yes, we talk about support frequently. And guess what? There is lots of support but also many women who don’t support each other as well…. I mean look at how feminism in itself is perceived differently scored women and how - guess what - more than 1/3 of white women voted for Trump, as an example. But the phrase “sisterhood” is hardly used. And what exactly am I in denial of?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 09:20 PM
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This example feels weirdly disconnected to evening you were just talking about. You start off with “women don’t like sex” then talk about how women compete with each other for men…. It really sounds like both contradict. To add to this, there is a lot more ‘sisterhood’ talk amongst men. I don’t think I’ve heard that phrase used much outside of dude talking how they think women talk. I hang around a lot of activism and feminist spaces as well. “Sisterhood” is rarely used
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 09:15 PM
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So your view is… by relying on such generalizations you’re staying ahead of the curve? And have to form a whole “this is how women keep men completely” conspiracy to rationalize it?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 08:46 PM
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Didn’t know she spoke for all women
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 08:17 PM
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No…. No…. There is so much wrong here For one thing, you are directly feeding into messy gender norms and stereotypes that everyone - including many men - want to distance themselves from to some extent. Sex is not an indicator of the worth of a man. This is the immediate mindset that drives a lot of the redpill bs and I am happy that most women in this thread are disagreeing with you on this cause this is the kind of statement that make men attempt to imitate manipulative men. Also, I wanna pus…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 08:16 PM
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If dating was just raw numbers and the physical need to fuck only then women absolutely have an advantage cause men tend to be horny and have low standards overall. So of course if that’s all how you see dating you will view women as a ‘privileged’ class. This isn’t what people have an issue with when you question the whole ‘privilege’ debate in dating. The issue is this is viewed as all of what dating is to many men despite it being so much more in actuality
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 08:06 PM
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Right…. So how is it killing then? If it is ‘just a fetus’ why go through the whole moral script you just put out?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 07:35 PM
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You said it. “Kill their children” - so in your framework, it is murder. Murder, even if a person doesn’t feel it - is a form of harm, even if fully painless. So once again I ask you, why are you okay with this from of murder? If it is murder is it not about the fetus’s life rather than the mother’s autonomy? Like you view it as wrong and killing, but you’re not okay with other forms of killing. Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 07:31 PM
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So I guess this is where I wanna comment on your disconnect. To be clear I am 1000% pro choice, though I differ from you in that I don’t think being an embryo or a fetus defines life the way we understand it to be. I do hold my views on life from a philosophical lens and when you’re a fetus… your life isn’t really starting. Also growing up where you’re forced to, when you didn’t ask to exist, nor did your parents is a form of cruelty for everyone imo With that out of the way, now I wanna focus o…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 07:24 PM
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Didn’t know one’s experiences describe the species they are
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 07:09 PM
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It’s been spoken of frequently and many women repeatedly say men need emotional outlets and to open up to their friends. That’s why the whole “2 best friends know nothing about each other” meme exists when describing many male friendships
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 07:06 PM
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We fully and completely understand this. This is literally what women have been fighting against for a century lmfao We don’t exist to further your story nor do we exist to just raise the kids. Thats exactly what women have been fighting against (and more women are independent than men now soooo) To add to this, historically things have very different. In many communities the children were raised by the entire community as a whole and maintaining the home was straight up physical labor. Work aro…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 01:59 PM
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Oh I know, I’m not disagreeing with you or anything. I’m just annoyed that the mods don’t have any sense of context and that somehow, words incels use is a problem but actual incel rhetoric isn’t
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 05:13 PM
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So again… when someone is building this whole psychosocial shield to make up for the fact that they themselves aren’t getting sexual attention… is this not what one would describe as you know what? And how is it incel content? And everything in this core post isn’t?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:59 PM
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I’m still bi, albeit less demisexual. I’ve also been hetroromanric as a man and now I’m homoromantic as a woman. So my sexuality in itself hasn’t really changed except for the fact that I’m more comfortable with sex conceptually. So what’s basically changed is how I feel arousal. It used to be more localized, quicker and more visually driven. I am now more into the vibe a person has, I kinda feel it all over my body and things like my erogenous zones have begun changing. For example I used to no…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:34 PM
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LOL okay are you kidding me? Point how how my comment is “cope” when OP’s whole post isn’t cope? I am not coping. I am accusing OP of coping. Big difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:29 PM

Oh, the simple answer is not every feminist movement is radical. And yeah, decentralization has its flaws - but I’ll take these flaws seeing how feminism in itself can also actively evolve into more inclusive spaces as well because of it
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:27 PM
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“Men and women are different” in itself is not a TERF narrative nor do I think she was reducing women to a uterus. Attraction is felt differently between men and women, i mean…. Literally being on estrogen and T blockers I can def tell you that the way I feel attraction has changed in the past few months. I’m not even talking about what I’m intellectually into, I am referring to the physical sensations and feelings involved with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:14 PM

Wdym?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:02 PM

I mean…. TERFs have been socially aligning themselves with conservatives more and more, first wave was far less concerned with Marxism, second wave moreso but was still tired within the capitalist system, girlboss feminism is literally just capitalist feminism, religious feminists and monarchists tend to lean conservative. Now, there is a truth in how most feminist movements do align with the liberal side of things simply due to the default nature of conservatism aiming to preserve either the st…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:01 PM
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We’ve moved from “all women are lesbians” to “hetro and ace women are the same” Incredible
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:55 PM

“Give some of them back” you’re funny
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:44 PM

How can one be neutral on issues involving the rights of others?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:39 PM

With the left wing I’ll agree somewhat, as I don’t think capitalism and feminism are inherently contradictory (I say this as a leftist who leans somewhat anarchist btw), however, I would say if you’re anti lgbtq+, you’re a bad feminist even if you technically are one. Lesbians are valid, trans women are women, and non binary people who might be more femme identifying people all belong in feminist movements. You can disagree with this and be a feminist, but also there is a such a thing as a bigot…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:35 PM

Feminism in itself a big complex world of various decentralized movements who often dislike each other. They all hold the common belief of achieving quality for the sake of liberation but the how, why and reasoning tend to differ greatly. I’ve spoken about this before - but TERFs are a group who I would consider feminists despite them wanting me dead and despite me hating their guts fully. Girlboss feminism is a capitalist take on feminism that’s about empowering (often white) upper class women …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:32 PM

You’d be surprised. There are many pro life feminists, monarchist feminists, I mean even TERFs have right wing social leanings despite being feminists themselves. Feminism isn’t a single coherent movement. It is a group of movements that hold a common core belief, but the differences differ greatly
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:26 PM
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Oh please, guys have types. Your bar is simply largely universal. Which would’ve been fine if not for the whole “women have types. Men don’t” bs, and I’m not even gonna get into your blackpill nonsense bit in the end
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 02:33 PM
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I don’t think people “create” types. Types kinda just…. happen based off your interests, what you might want to see in others, what things you might find appealing, some values you might have, videos you’re driven towards, emotions modes that speak to you and so on. Often they’re subconscious I also say ‘people’ cause I do think gender isn’t very relevant to having a type. Everyone has at least one.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 01:24 PM

If my choices are to be ‘ruthless and despicable’ or sleep with someone who doesn’t bring an exciting and fun experience, then I’d rather be ruthless and despicable lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 08:50 PM

Let’s put it this way: men are more likely to want sex for the sake of just getting off. Women are more likely to want sex as a far more sensory, all around experience. Like let’s put it this way, to many women, the lead up to the sex is a lot more important than it is to men
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 08:47 PM
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For one thing TRP has a history of actively treating women like interchangeable assets without agency. Women act due to ‘female nature’ and not due to individual agency according to TRP. To add to this, TRP teaches men to treat women like objects. “This one is for fun, this one is for baby making. Don’t expect much else” that kind do thought process. And I mean…. There are manipulative aspects, such as dread game, playing hot n cold, negging, using availability as an asset, flaunting and coercio…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 03:22 AM
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That’s a very charitable way of framing men who’ve actively treated women as rewards for good behavior
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 02:24 AM

So I went through it on insta. There are also lots of comments saying the teacher is hot…. Usually by dudes so that’s already a factor. I couldn’t find it on. YouTube though and I don’t have x Funnily enough the first person who I saw call out the SA was a woman. The reason why I bring it up is because this is a weird double standard that ultimately exists that hurts men for sure, but it born of women not being taken seriously to where even threatening women are taken lightly
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 03:36 AM

It certainly wasn’t funny (like it just flat out is just funny) and yes, female teachers assaulting male students does not get the negative response it deserves - but mind you, the cultural norm is “lucky kid” or “I wish she was my teacher”, and while that is becoming less popular, it is still prevalent. That being said, I’m curious where these thousands of comments are? It just feels like you’re making a claim of a recent skit without much bearing. Like thousands you say praise it. Who are thes…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 03:11 AM

The problem is ‘blue pill’ applies to everyone from egalitarian liberals, to TERFs, to leftists, to ‘personality first’ conservatives and so on. The standard for “blue pill” is very low so no, people called “blue pill” are in fact just everyone who aren’t red or black and we tend to disagree on a lot
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 01:35 AM
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I love that your title says “talk to” but the body of your post says “approach” And no, wanting to look good and show it off, nightlife (???????) and dress how how you want isn’t ’advertising’ yourself because - to put it bluntly - there is a ton that women do that isn’t for men’s attention. I do think a lot of this is projection cause many guys do base their entire being around attracting women, therefore women MUST do the same thing… right? But above all. If you want a trad woman, be a trad ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 01:32 AM

Sir you keep promoting your YouTube channel here
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 04:11 PM
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In all fairness when most men talk about traditional gender roles it isn’t in a “you’re allowed to do this” kinda way, it is in a “a woman can work, but her first priority should be the home”
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 04:10 PM
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And that works for you, which is great. Dating is very individualized by nature
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 03:38 PM
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I love that you’re trying to pin this on women cause many men assume any kind of positive attention from women = flirting. Then again, for the longest time men also thought most gay dudes wanted to fuck them by default cause they’re gay. Also, if you’re feeling something is ambiguous or that you’re unsure always stick to the same side. You have every right and reason to expect overt signs of flirting and someone isn’t giving they to you then they’re not going you what you might need. Like that’s…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 02:35 PM
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And yet, feminists are actively telling men to explore their emotions and find healthy outlets for them. Feminists actively tell men to stop centering their lives around dating (or rather, the anger of not dating) and feminists actively argue that men shouldn’t be beholden to rigid gender roles. Funny how that works
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 02:23 PM
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I don’t follow your logic. One person should cook because you might… run out of ingredients? Even though when couples are living together they either largely cook together or one of them cooks for both?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 02:21 PM
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Even within normal consumption though, young women are relying more on thrifting for clothes, buying used appliances, and trying to find budget friendly way to purchase. This habit wasn’t the norm in the past, even when most households were single income. No matter how you slice it, the purchasing power of the dollar got a whole lot weaker over the past few decades, inflation got messy, standards of living have stagnated and the economy is just flat out worse for everyone
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 07:37 PM
2

But even then the deeper context matters. Young women own homes more than young men now, this is true - BUT young people as a whole are owning notably less property than even 20 years ago. So yes, more young women do own homes than young men but a majority (like 75%) still don’t own a home. For context, the home ownership rate for young adults dropped from 45 to 21% between the 90s and now
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 07:32 PM
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Hold on, that’s not true. Most women live with roommates, share houses, sublet, live with with their families and rent in compromising conditions like everyone else On average more young women own homes, sure - but guess what? Most still can’t afford one
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 07:28 PM
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Because they are? Framing MGTOW as just men decentering women is disingenuous as obsessive hate and viewing their decentering as a whole revenge fantasy is kind of their whole schtick
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 07:26 PM
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MGTOW gets hate because their whole identity is “screw these women. I’m going my own way. WOMEN, WATCH ME GO MY OWN WAY!” - MGTOW relies a lot on hating women as a part of its identity As for passport bros, the entire ‘community’ relies on this mix of saviour complex and a reliance on exploitation and stereotypes to form their worldview. Nobody is dogging on men who find love abroad, we’re dogging on men who make a “western woman are awful. Find a real submissive wife here” mentality - which is …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 07:24 PM
2

I have good news for you, hardly anyone is blaming you for this choice. Long as you don’t go the loud MGTOW route and are acting out of a genuine desire to pursue your own interests, then truly nobody (outside of traditionalists) cares
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 07:21 PM
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Historic misogyny is the primary role. Male bodies were seen as the default and female bodies were far less understood and there wasn’t much willingness to understand female bodies. As such, women’s pain and health struggles had become more likely to be ignored and dismissed because of men didn’t feel it too, it therefore wasn’t accurate. Add to that the reputation of emotional/hysterical/emotion seeking - and that creates the perception of “well you’re not really in pain. You’re being hysterica…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 05:30 PM
1

No, the entire Op doesn’t come off as bitter, however, I am fully making a comment on the overall vibe of the post and language. I also don’t even think OP has hidden malice. I even say “I could be getting cynical out of anything I read on this sub” meaning that im not even sure about my own reading. You’re the one who chose to respond like I’m making clear absolute statements.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 05:28 AM
1

“Men not approaching: Why Self-Respect is the Ultimate "Win" In the modern dating landscape, there is a pervasive myth that a man’s success is measured solely by his relationship status. This mindset suggests that if an approach doesn't lead to a phone number or a date, it is a "loss." However, this perspective ignores the most critical element of any human interaction: Self-Respect. True confidence isn't the belief that you will get a "yes"; it is the knowledge that you will be perfectly fine i…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 05:23 AM
1

I take you don’t know what ‘undertones’ means?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 05:19 AM
2

When have I ever used the language of “real man” or “it’s a man’s job to” - wtf are you on about? And no, whah you said is “a man’s SOLE PRIORITY in himself and himself ALONE” - and even then, “IF their loved ones DESERVE their help” - it kinda does imply that everything else is eliminated. And to be clear, I believe the exact same stuff for women. The beliefs I hold apply to humanity as a whole, stuff like girlboss feminism or hyper-individualist modes of thinking for women are just as awful. ‘…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 05:15 AM
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Who tf is shaming men? Is the bar for shaming that low now? And here is the thing: I don’t think anyone’s priority is to themselves and themselves alone. I think a person should put themselves first, but also value their loved ones and community. If one finds self possession in providing for their loved ones, that doesn’t make them ant self possessed. My issue is you’re framing self possession as isolation or even selfishness. That’s the worst version of it imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 03:40 AM
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There is a pretty big difference. Self respect is about valuing the self and knowing who or where to allocate your time. Once you add “by walking away from women” you’re now making a value judgment on those who genuinely enjoy the company of women, or those who actually enjoy something like approaching or even do so from a place of self possession. A man can be self possessed, date, approach women and even be a provider. He can even be self possessed and do none of these things - but I question …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 03:34 AM
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And your basis for saying this is?……. And no, not really. If your post had MGTOW undertones I will absolutely call it out. If OP clarifies and I’m wrong then that’s that - but also tho post is less “men should have self respect and more “men get self respect by walking away from women”… which…. There is a difference Again, don’t center your life around women. Don’t chase. Don’t stay in a bad situation. These are all good things, I just don’t want positive messages to be co-opted into what’s ulti…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 03:27 AM
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I really want to agree with you, cause this is some very solid advice. Yes, self respect is absolutely important, yes, learning to walk away or say no is absolutely necessary, yes, decanter romance and build your own life - BUT - I hate how it is framed. How self respect is written as not approaching women, and how I can’t help but get this ‘revenge fantasy’ vibe from the post. I hate how it talks about relationships as purely resource draining. Like the post has a lot of “bad dynamic” phrasing …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 03:10 AM
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I think both are wrong. The issue is that “you’re great for an X” normalizes low expectations and excuses. Ex. “You’re kind for a guy” comes with the implication that guys aren’t expected to be kind. Which does come with truth, but also, it shouldn’t be a standard we accept. I think where this is coming from is women with low self esteem expecting the bare minimum and guys happily playing into it. It’s wrong when both genders do it. Women are right to be mad when men say this stuff, and tbh men …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 12:19 AM
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Liberal =/= progressive
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 10:21 PM
4

Before I transitioned I was a masc presenting bi man with a wider frame and a more masc build. Things have actually been pretty good with me Like sorry some women were homophobic to you, honestly - and I want to try to not come off as dismissive here but i really can’t say much of anything without any real context. What are your dating methods? Where do you meet women? Who do you actually try to date? Etc Many many many many factors come into play on why you might’ve been meeting homophobic wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 10:17 PM
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I bring up pegging because OP has made it a point to talk about it specifically. I am not boiling down pegging to mean anything relating to masculinity or femininity as believe it or not, lots of masc dudes also enjoy being pegged and it doesn’t take away from their masculinity And I mean…. If you’re a ‘less masculine’ man, odds are your average woman isn’t into that and you might be a better fit for a woman who’s ’more masculine’ or even femme women who are into less masculine men - like idk wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 10:11 PM
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I don’t quite get your comment tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 10:06 PM
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I’m not sure how to respond to this. Like yes, some women (even progressive women) do behave this way, and some men do indeed experience this - but also you’ve said very little that adds to the debate functionally
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 10:04 PM
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I think the core confusion comes from how ‘masculine man’ and ‘feminine men’ are described via the eye of the male gaze. For example, leaner/well dressed/soft spoken men are viewed as feminine because they don’t fit what men consider to be masculine, but also how women view masculine and feminine tend to differ quite a bit. Ultimately if your standard for masculinity is a hairy, muscled up bearded dude who’s all aggression, of course men who don’t fit that begin to be seen as ‘feminine’
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 09:55 PM
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Idk, I don’t see it that way. I think the mistake is many men automatically perceive the phrase “women love x” to mean “women are attracted to x” - which aren’t mutually exclusive. For example, ‘men should wear dresses’ does not mean ‘men absolutely have to wear dresses’ it means ‘if you want to wear a dress, you should feel no shame for it’ - a lot of the language is contextual and spoken casually, if you want more serious evaluations look for more serious forms of phrasing. This also brings a …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 09:51 PM
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Speaking for myself personally - I do think rejecting someone cause they’re trans is 100% a valid reason to reject them. As long as you’re respectful about them and respect their existence/gender identity, then your preferences are completely your own and not transphobic But also bi men are different in that there is functionally and conceptually no difference between a bi and straight man as people. Most times you won’t know someone is bi unless they tell you and even then - what about them has…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 09:43 PM
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First, id push back on is bisexual men only because the perception of bi men is changing and with it, the dating world around bi men is as well. Also the “women expect men to pay for dates” bit is hilariously overplayed and outdated at this stage, so I’m gonna talk about women preferring masc men without assuming “paying for dates” is a part of masculinity because…. Well… it isn’t inherently and the issue is extremely overblown in spaces like this. Also, do women commonly want hyper masc celebs?…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 09:40 PM
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You didn’t answer my question
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 03:15 AM
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What would you like moms to do?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 02:25 AM
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By taxes men pay? Despite the fact that men serve a slightly higher employment rate and the fact on average, both make similar amounts (though men do make a bit more). Men are also more likely to evade taxes than women - but yeah, we are living on the backs of strong hard working men. Sure. “Men built the building you’re in” but also, you’re ignoring how heavily gendered industries tend to create a kind of social segregation and how social expectations create gender roles. I also love your narra…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 01:16 AM
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You assume that any man someone can connect with is a good man. Thats why you see it as a just world fallacy. And this is an error I find so many men on here men. When we talk about how me we connect with matter, it doesn’t mean “we need a good man. Good men will be rewarded” - his moral character will very much also depend on many factors to down it the individual woman. Some woman might be more (or less) morally lenient than others - but what most men most women connect with have in common is …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 01:06 AM
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It really isn’t. Nowadays you don’t have to be this one dimensional provider and many women prefer someone they can actually connect with. Men actively refuse this and are angry that upping their material attributes isn’t translating Of course, this doesn’t apply to all men. There are many wonderful men, though the fact that these pill ideologies are mainstream is a very worrying trend and imo is the reason why men continue to suffer further
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 12:58 AM
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I mean men are astronomically more desperate
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 12:54 AM
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Oh I know exactly what you mean, and that’s what I’m saying. To say “women are literally men” means “women are taking roles that belong to men” - it implies that being a man is inherent to these roles. This is why I have an issue with this phrase
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 11:14 PM
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I’ll give you an even bigger truth bomb. Hoeflation is a made up phrase by men bitter that they have to put actual effort into themselves beyond being a list of attributes. I also hate the whole “women are men now” bs because it assumes the roles described should be inherent to me when it isn’t
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 11:01 PM
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One of the least attractive things a man can be is self pitying. Before you assume this isn’t related to the post, it 100% is - it is a prevailing mindset in a lot of these spaces and you might say “well I don’t act that way in real life” - you’d be surprised how much your internal feelings weigh on you. Like you’re not gonna generate interest from people if your vibe is ‘void of self pity’
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 10:59 PM

It has been explained a billion times why he isn’t
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 10:51 PM

Fair enough, **straight, Demi or ace
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 03:43 PM

Yepp I did as well
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 03:37 PM

“Literally no interest” is the key phrase here lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 03:14 PM

If you watch that and have literally no interest in sleeping with men, then yes, you are straight
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:55 PM

Because your porn consumption habits and real life arousal aren’t always particularly the same. Many of these straight women who watch lesbian porn have no interest in sex with women, and because if they are straight. It really is simple as that
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:50 PM

The amazing part is there is a 50/50 chance of this being serious or sarcastic
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:41 PM

Yeah no, this is spam now
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:40 PM

Do we accept it in non sexual scenarios though? Like we get into different relationships with different dynamics at different times of our lives. Dating someone when you’re young and adventurous will look very different from dating someone you’re seeing long term reliability with and there is nothing wrong with it. If you’re both happy, fulfilled and you both respect and enjoy each other then who cares about the rest? Like you’re basically letting something that isn’t a factor anymore impact you
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 08:55 PM
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“Women, lower your standards and view men as interchangeable. Otherwise I won’t be able to get laid” Real talk - why would we do this? And do you also really think the whole “population will decline” narrative will work when many people are well aware of it and believe it to be a net positive in the long run?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:58 PM
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What you do wear does say how you choose to represent yourself, “what you do in your free time” was literally one example of many, hence the other examples and the “etc” - but I assume you know this already and are intentionally nitpicking phrasing to pretend you have a point. Fashion can, and often is, a form of self representation. If you see fashion as nothing special and default to very safe looks, then you’re presenting as a very safe and generic person, if you go trendy all the time then y…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:27 AM
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Quite the contrary. If intentional, it says a lot - not necessarily about one’s values (although in some subcultures this is the case), but moreso about what you do in your free time, what aesthetics you might lean towards, how you see yourself, etc Fashion, like any art form, can be self expression. You don’t even have to be overly artistic or trendy for this too, the idea is to express yourself through it
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:16 AM
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Fashion/grooming are expressions of who you are as an individual, this will resonate with people who might be compatible with your individual expression “Make a guy more compatible” as a general phrase is wrong. It doesn’t make sense as compatibility isn’t a slider you can increase or decrease, it simply means what you’re giving will resonate with people differently, so use it to express yourself and that will catch the eyes of people who resonate with that
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:11 AM
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Except I don’t want to cut any of these things. In fact, I view universal healthcare as a right. My point with this comment is that eternal growth is fundamentally impossible and the current economic model we have is unsustainable. I also think there is something to be said about a generation (boomers) voting to flip the bill of their spending onto everyone else while at the same time blaming everyone else for the fact that we couldn’t do what they did
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:36 AM
4

I mean…. Based off your post you kinda do
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 02:01 AM
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That men are more likely to either not value the women they’re with or not value themselves. They either view women as interchangeable or themselves as desperate for any female attention as long as sex involved. One is dehumanizing and the other is pitiable, but neither make for viewing a potential partner as a 3 dimensional human being
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 01:58 AM
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Not always, though this isn’t the gotchya you think it is
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 01:47 AM
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It could play a role, but not in the way you’re thinking. Like let’s put it this way - a 6/10 who’s well groomed, has a style that fits what he’s trying to bring out, stands out well and appears confident will go pretty damn far. Of course not everyone will be interested in him, but he will get more interest in spaces where he fits into than the 8/10 who’s just a generic nobody of a man would in these spaces
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 01:30 AM
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4) women are more interested in compatibility than literally everything you just talked about Ya’ll make this way too complicated
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 01:26 AM
2

You’re making a lot of huge leaps and assumptions. I don’t support large scale immigration, in fact the reason why I bring up climate change as a concern is because I previously want to avoid large scale migration. However, if one’s lands become inhabitable due to climate change they will move around whether you like it or not. To add to this, developed countries rely on labor from these countries (and I am referring to the larger global economic system, not just migration. Manufacturing, mining…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 01:10 AM
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Except it isn’t taxation. Older generations literally require younger generations to keep producing into the system (which includes having kids or increasing migration) so their retirements can be paid for. Sure, it is paid through taxes, but you also aren’t paying for services that benefit everyone and even then, current pensions require a certain threshold to be reached to be sustainable which it clearly isn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 01:05 AM
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So because they paid for it they’re therefore entitled to what future generations do?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 01:00 AM
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Why do you think they’re entitled to these pensions when it is a decision future generations never had a say in? We are paying for the retirement of others because they voted for it long before we were born
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 12:58 AM
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So what? Have the rest of the world get worse around you? Do you not think that this will not negatively impact the developed countries as well? Especially since they do rely on the labor of these less developed nations?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 12:37 AM
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I mean…. We have to as well, where do you think people will migrate when their own situations worsen? And to be clear rightfully so on their end, they want a better life for themselves and their families but also, life here isn’t very sustainable already and increasing the population sure as shit won’t help
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 12:25 AM
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Okay, so what happens to people who live in third world countries when overpopulation continues and climate change impacts their lands, making them less habitable?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 12:18 AM
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It is what it is. The system is toppling over itself anyway, I’d rather it happens sooner than later - our lives aren’t so exceptional that this needs to be delayed
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 12:13 AM
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You don’t. We’re already overpopulated as is, and less kids will help things in the long run. The system as is relies on constant growth to sustain itself, which is flat out not sustainable. Add to that the state of the economy, and climate change limiting habitable land in the future and yeah, I think less kids for a coupe of generations is a good thing
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 12:10 AM
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Best part is all these jobs you mention pretty much describe the worst men. Thankfully most men, even most RP men, don’t hold your worldview
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 10:03 PM
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Hol up, lemme conduct with the council of women so we may answer you Joking aside… pretty sure this happens in nearly all cases, you’ll find a man saying the same thing. This is a human tendency, not a ‘women thing’
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 10:02 PM

How plausible with this in accordance to reality though? I mean… the dude was disrespectful af and he barely made a dent in this discourse. A respectful rejection would’ve done less and tbh I’d bet less women would’ve popped their balloons Idk, I really don’t think people operate the way you’re painting them to
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 04:44 PM

I guess my question is… this is a dating show, people will get rejected, even if within the first 10 seconds. It happens. What about her being trans in specific should lead him to talk to the producers about it? Cause to me if he was respectful, even if it was within the first 20 seconds, its a rejection just like any other
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 04:36 PM

What is there to address with the producers though? “Oh I’m not into you, I’m sorry that’s for coming” and that’s literally all it takes. Like what is there to talk about with the producers?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 03:49 PM

At what point do we consider this to be spam?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 03:43 PM

I mean I wouldn’t be on a dating show full of trans woman, even. It’s just not how I date and I have little faith in dating coming out of these shows actually being fruitful. Now, would I be in dating related settings around cis women? Absolutely as I am a woman (I also date women far more often than men, so i do have a bit of a different background from your typical hetro circles) Someone has every right to reject me because I’m trans, I won’t even be mad about it as long as it’s done with resp…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 03:41 PM

In the video, he did it in the most disrespectful way he could. Walked up to her all swagged up, popped the balloon like he’s dunking a basketball while getting in her face and laughed about it. He could’ve as easily said he wasn’t interested and popped the balloon with some sense of respect, instead he treats it like a game of whack a mole
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 03:05 PM
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Tbh the phrase “asshole” in context of men talking about dating stopped mattering to me when i realized ‘asshole’ meant “confident masc man who I envy”
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 03:03 PM
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There aren’t any pill emojis so in case someone couldn’t read they’d know which is which. OP is being inclusive
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 10:13 PM
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Aside from the fact that literally none of what you describe falls into ‘gender’ as a term…. What?…. Like you start off with this whole “men implement all these intricate strategies depending on their pill gender, but women, the woman gender? They’re cooperate sellouts who have everything handed to them” Like none of this is analysis. Say nothing of the fact that manosphere and TRP creators are mainstream as well, and even outside of that men have a series of mainstream figures they follow as we…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 10:07 PM
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Focus on the topic itself (whether you agree or disagree)? You don’t need to defensively clarify that you don’t do this stuff lol - like just don’t make it about how you’re it like other men cause m it isn’t about you individually
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 05:17 PM
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Okay, so one can derail the info without spreading misinfo. In this instance, the man would be making it about himself and how there are good men out there. Which is factually true, there are good men out there but also, its Firreen tot the topic
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 04:32 PM
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I said “derails”, you said “with misinformation”
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 04:26 PM
2

Happy to be one of the first
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 04:06 PM
1

Yes, “us” - get over it
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 04:05 PM
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When most men say “not all men” it is an attempt to claim innocence when he was never accused. It also derails the conversation cause now it isn’t about the issue being talked about, it is about how this man isn’t like other men. When a woman says it, it basically means “sure, most men don’t individually do this, but it could be any random man at any given time” - it means something very very different. The former derails, the latter brings attention to an issue
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 01:44 PM
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They’re attracted to men. There is nothing more to it Porn sits in a weird psychological place that ties into attraction, sure, as well as self perception. Watching lesbian porn and enjoying it doesn’t make a woman any less straight if she’s not actually interested in dating or sleeping with women
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 01:37 PM
1

I will defeat you in every sport known to man just for that comment
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 01:36 PM
3

Yeah, women should’ve had predictive powers and spoken to men before they looked online! Even then, a key factor of TRP is to not take the word of women, so I’m not sure how useful an individual woman ‘getting to him’ first will particularly do anything
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 01:33 PM
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Oh I think myself and many women ‘understand’ where nice guys come from. I just don’t understand what you want us to do with this info
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 11:50 AM
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Women who are attracted to men want to have sex with men? It really isn’t a wild concept
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 11:49 AM
2

Your initial comment was about how men get demonized for their preferences, then when OP shared this vid you framed it as proof that men get demonized for their preferences. Now you’re simultaneously maintaining that view and are saying he acted like a jackass, but are hand waving it away. At least have the integrity to truly support your own stances
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 06:27 AM
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“Dude had a type and owned up to it. You seem to not like that. Looks like you just proved my point.” This was your comment. You absolutely have an opinion and acted like this is totally acceptable behavior. Don’t chicken out
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 05:32 AM
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I made my stance very clear on the preference. I literally said “he can 1000% reject her for being a trans woman” - i think that makes it very clear i am okay with someone being rejected because they’re trans, but to walk up to someone with all the swag in the world, pop the balloon like you’re dunking a basketball and laugh about it, that’s what I’m calling out. He didn’t “have a type and own up to it”, he was being a jackass
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 05:22 AM
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Nope, he popped that balloon like he was doing a winning taunt. It’s one thing to reject her (and again, he can 1000% reject her for being a trans woman) but there was a lot of aggression in that pop. Its disrespectful
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 05:04 AM
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Here is the thing, and so many trans women have clarified this - then again, straight dudes are kinda pros at mistaking being inflammatory for having a preference (I’ll get to trans women in context of everything else) You can reject fat women, but don’t shame her for being fat by calling her a land whale or telling her to put down the spoon It is entirely reasonable to not want to date a trans woman, though viewing her as a man or digging into it being gay is when it becomes a problem And again…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 05:01 AM
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If that’s what you wanna believe and that’s how you wanna conduct every interaction in the future, I won’t stop you
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 12:53 AM
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Yes believe it or not women who are feminists still date and marry men. They might marry men at a lower late, overall singleness might be higher but many, in fact, do marry and many (and this is gonna be a doozy) do also friends who happen to be men
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 12:42 AM
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I mean in all fairness, if you care so little about a woman’s personality you will attract the worst of the bunch. So the whole “we don’t have a type” talk isn’t really a flex nor is it even a ‘biological reality’ - it’s the refusal to address your own flaws (ie. The fact that you see women as interchangeable)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 12:41 AM
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It isn’t idealism, it’s the simple fact that most feminists date and marry men at the end of the day, and blatant truly hateful rhetoric is criticizes by other feminists as well
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 12:39 AM
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Girlboss feminism was a cringy mess, there is no denying that. In fact, if you talk to intersectional and 4th wave feminists in particular (which is growing rapidly), it is a commonly held opinion that 2010s capitalist girlpower feminism was performative af
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 12:35 AM
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And those who say this are entirely wrong and sound like shitty people - and the vast majority of feminists would be disturbed by such a statement, this I can guarantee you
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 12:33 AM
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I mean…. “Types” also apply to looks as well. If all you’re looking for is generically attractive, then congrats, that’s your type
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 12:15 AM
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Why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 11:33 PM
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That’s true! I def should’ve mentioned that as well. Men benefit from feminism by virtue of getting rid of the patriarchy and all the rigid norms it brings with it (as well as the active reinforcement of values that allow capitalism to remain the norm)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 11:21 PM
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I find it very interesting that whenever I do see a “men, don’t support feminism” debate comes in, it is always in a very indirect “remember the good old days when women had less rights, back then, we were in control. Let’s get back to that!” Like here is the thing, people don’t support the rights of other groups because it directly benefits them, they support the rights of other groups because it is the right thing to do, and I know this is hard to believe, but some people actually like living …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 10:28 PM
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Of course, I’m not saying it isn’t. What I am saying is, the initial habit building process is the hardest part of the entire process and when people usually need the most support. Just dropping resources is just as useless as doing nothing. You have to focus on encouraging change and normalizing it, else the person is more likely than not doomed to make the same mistakes and will prob be worse off cause they have more space to make the same mistakes
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 04:17 PM
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It isn’t “the man’s responsibility” it is more “hey. We spent the night together. I’m feeling you’re a little distracted. Is anything okay?” - anyone of any gender can ask this question. Like I’d hope you’d care a little bit about how the person you just slept with might be feeling then next morning The post, however, focuses on the pursuits and actions of men, so we will talk about the pursuits and actions of men. As for women, should a woman who is nervous to being it up be less nervous? Absol…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 03:42 PM
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If you don’t care and she is giving the vibe that she doesn’t care too, then that’s that But I mean… if you’re being intimate with someone I’d hope by the next morning you’d be able to tell if they seem off or nervous and would care enough to check in with them. If all is smiles and one of ya’ll leave without it ever coming up then obviously no one cares. I feel like I’m explaining basic human interaction holy shit
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 03:36 PM
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Ok then. Don’t do it, don’t communicate, just don’t be surprised if people do the same with you lol Imo (and yes, this 1000% applies to every genre), if you lack the emotional forthcomingness to even ask “so am I seeing you again?” At the bare minimum, you flat out should not be sleeping around or dating until you get the courage to ask it. This applies to women as well, I am saying this very clearly cause I know you’ll ask “but what about women?”
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 03:27 PM
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It isn’t a contradiction, because what I am saying is “if nobody else brought it up, why not bring it up?” And this is regardless of gender. If the thought is on your mind, bring it up. I genuinely don’t know what else to tell you. And many women also enjoy hookups, quick sex, casual stuff etc, but once frequency does happen questions arise. Most of these scenarios start with uncertainty - which, once more, is fine - hence why a “will we see each other again?” Is more than enough at a first meet…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 03:18 PM
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I didn’t say it was the responsibility of the man, but also, if she hasn’t brought it up at all, don’t you think the appropriate thing to do is bring it up? Also, women bring it up frequently. Who do you think often starts the “so what are we?” Convo after a long steak of hooking up? Who do you think is the more frequent communicator of what the next step is? Also, men yammer on and on and on and on and on about being leaders with clear minds. If that’s how you see yourself, act like it. Wanna b…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 03:09 PM
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I hate the whole “gatekeepers of sex” bs because it takes 2 to tango, both want things out of it and believe it or not men have the power to attract women or say yes or no to a partner. With that being said, there are a trillion other ways to check outside of “here is this comically very incorrect unrealistic way of stating it” - and it doesn’t even always have to be a question… if you, say, make a remark about what you think is going on then that’s more than enough. And it can always happen aft…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 03:03 PM
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Not knowing is fine. The issue is when you know better and you are leading someone on, the “dangle a carrot” method, or giving the possibility for more when you’re not sure or not truly committed - which is something a lot of guys do. Again, nobody is faulting you for sleeping with someone and not fully understanding your intentions or needing to connect sexually first before committing. This is totally fine, but also, just make sure you’re both on the same page, whether it be “this is just a fu…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 01:25 PM
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Then grow tf up lol You’re clearly self aware enough to make this excuse. So you’re also mature enough to be honest as you clearly know better Now if you’re not sure of what your intentions are or if you get the vibe you’re both on the same page this obviously doesn’t apply - though the text of your post makes it clear the intent is for those who want a relationship sleeping with someone doesn’t
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:20 PM
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It is everyone’s responsibility. Though at the same time, if you hold yourself as a mature, respectable or clear minded person, bring it up. You clearly know what you’re doing and what clarity you’re operating by making this post.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:14 PM
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I mean…. If any information would lead to one revoking consent it absolutely is necessary to tell them. Like if there is clear unsaid mutual understanding that’s one thing, but if you ‘dangle the carrot’ or are actively omitting that’s when it becomes a problem. Ffs you’re getting naked and intimate with someone. Least you can do is be honest with your intentions. You don’t have to “be in a relationship”, but you do have to make sure you’re both on the same page
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:04 PM
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Okay. Act like you have the power then. cause from what I’m seeing most posturing and insecure framing comes from men who want to project power
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 04:20 PM
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I mean the statement itself is true, problem is though this is used as a jumping off point to gender essentialism. Like you (to be clear not you literally, ‘you’ as in the average gender essentialist) will start with a statement like this and then say something like “and therefore this is why hypergamy is real”, “this is why men are disgusted with women with high body counts” or “this is chad succeeds” into far more misogynistic stuff. There are absolutely biological realities, but also they pla…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 04:19 PM
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So my concept of actually helping and supporting the community is harmful because you say it is? Notice what you’ve done. You’ve said “this is bad” then moved to more gender essentialist statements without meaningfully analyzing why the method of support I’ve laid out is harmful, you dig into these professions as inherent to the male sex while never meaningfully digging into these patterns exist out of long-term habit setting or out of anything inherent. Most successful engineers and software de…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:56 PM

LOL dude really thought he was going somewhere and then it backfired
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 07:42 AM

Again, I’m sure most who do know about this case do in fact believe him, however, for many people reading your post, this is the first time they’re hearing about it and you’re putting it in the same framing as attempting to one up an ideological opponent. Do you not see how that can rub people off the wrong way?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 06:51 AM

No no you’re right, the international coalition of feminists should’ve sent out a public apology to Jay Z. Would that have helped your feefees?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 06:49 AM

So the point of this subreddit is to bring up legitimate issues and mangle them to fit one’s ideological game? Buddy…..
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 06:48 AM

I assume you’re referring to a small, quiet minority of feminists at this point? Believe me, the vast majority of feminists have moved on from Jay S It sounds like you read some Reddit comments and are basing your whole view on that tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 06:47 AM

Right, so you admit you’re doing this for an attempt to win an ideological battle. Nevermind that for most people, this is probably the first time they’re hearing of this case - which in itself is an issue, and instead of spreading awareness to it you’re using it for your own attempt at a gotcha.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 06:45 AM

Yeah, MeToo drew attention to the serious issue of men in power abusing their role and sexually taking advantage of subordinates. It was, in fact, necessary and clearly still is. And last I checked, Jay Z seems to still be doing . Now, should the woman have been punished for it? Sure, but also, this is a single claim where the evidence was clearly on his side. We were right to believe her at first, but also she was proven to be lying. None of this removes the need for MeToo as a movement. For ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 06:43 AM

And yet, most of the comments aren’t even talking about the SA, they’re talking about how you severely misunderstood MeToo - and they’re not wrong to because you did, in fact, very severely misunderstand MeToo and are using a misinformed take to try to one up others. Again, I don’t think you care about the actual SA happening. You just care about owning the libs
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 06:36 AM

Like no seriously, this is the beef I have with you. A male SA victim is something you’re using as a chance to one up others. You don’t care about the actual cause you’re talking about
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 06:27 AM

Based on what I know I do believe him, yes, victims of sexual assault/harassment are to be believed and their claims should be taken seriously and seriously investigated. That being said, I kinda really hate the tone of your post. This doesn’t read as solidarity with a victim of SA, this sounds like a “up yours, feminists!” And that’s the exact issue with a lot of MRA stuff. Like if your intent wasn’t to up stand feminists this case would not matter to you, this is about winning a rhetoric game,…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 06:26 AM
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That’s such a hilarious oversimplification of employment and the role it plays. Under that view, working from home is indeed “within the community” because it maintains economic in and out flow. But we both know working a job alone doesn’t describe community involvement as community involvement usually entails helping those around you, doing your part to ensure a safe and collaborative environment, sticking up for those within your community, supporting those in need and allowing for the spread …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 05:29 AM
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And yet, some of the men who reject community the most are the fully bull-driven hyper masculine men. Of course, “no T NEETS living with his mommy” is the other side of the extreme, but also - men who adhere to traditional masculinity (or at least claim to and who actively claim to represent masculinity) actively support hyper individualist movements, are very much rejecting of those who don’t fit their image of how others should act, engage in active shaming of other men and have a “my way or t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 05:17 AM
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You keep returning to exceptions
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:59 AM
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And exponentially more don’t have that opportunity. You’re relying on outliers
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:46 AM
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Do you think getting a job is that easy? Preppy catholic school, well-off and currently in med school. There is serious privilege going on here
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:44 AM
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Med school and law school is also expensive and requires a ton of free time to study. Lots of people don’t have that, especially if they have kids or dependants.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:43 AM
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Neither are. My point is this hope of becoming any of these out of poverty is the myth people need to believe to buy into this system
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:41 AM
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Yeah, you… don’t know what a food desert is. A food desert is not a lack of food, it is a lack of productive nutrition or opportunities for nutrition. Think of it this way, if you can’t afford fresh meat, fruits, veggies, etc and have to rely on dollar store products, cheap seed oils and so on - that’s one thing going against you. If you work long hours, whether it be one or two jobs - you won’t have time for the gym or to cook a nutritious meal. If your only accessible food options are bad food…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:40 AM
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Right. So something like poverty (as well as many issues we face) are generational and cyclical. If that girl you dated didn’t learn these good habits, odds are she’d still be in poverty. If she didn’t have that faith in her to step up, and even the space around someone more stable to explore that, odds are she doesn’t get out it. Lots of poor people have never had and will never have that and in fact have a lot going against them
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:38 AM
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This. The whole “well these poor people became x” argument always has been the system’s way of reinforcing its own existence. Why would one buy into a capitalist economy if they didn’t have the hope that they’d get out of it? “Bill gates dropped out of college and became a billionaire” is the kind of story this system needs to maintain itself cause otherwise people will see it for the bs that jt is
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:36 AM
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Oh boy… let’s dig into the basics. Do you know what a food desert is?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:32 AM
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Right - but if all you’re surrounded by is poverty and living paycheck to paycheck is the norm, and you live in an environment that has no conception of long term thinking. Guess what? Odds are you were raised that way and odds are you don’t know life outside of it. Those who get out of this are the exception, not the norm
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:31 AM
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That’s not my point. It isn’t about handouts or money - at least in itself, fact is if you just give money to someone who’s historically made bad choices, they will keep making bad choices and sometimes it is because that’s all the know. To make better choices, people need to know how to do it, they need to be encouraged to and they need to have that habit reinforced and taught to them. You’re not gonna give someone who doesn’t know how to drive a license and hope they get it, you need to teach …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:23 AM
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People’s choices are often informed by their capacity to make that choice - ie. Their mental habits, patterns formed, their sense of self, the options they believe they have, how they feel others might perceive them, etc Yes, the drive to do better is important and people can reach it themselves, but also providing support to build that initial momentum and expanding one’s choice palette matters just as much, if not more
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 12:04 AM
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“The male loneliness epidemic is self inflicted” go on…. “ANYWAY, here is some boomer ass advice that isn’t helpful” Many lonely men are jacked dudes with stable jobs and who try to socialize. The issue, while self inflicted at a micro level, is far more complex and systemically driven at a macro level. I mean… the type of man you describe can succeed or fail in dating, a less attractive drifter with a more interesting personality could as well. The larger issue is men actively compare themselve…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 11:55 PM

I truly can’t tell if this is just really well written trolling
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 10:44 PM

“Anything and everything” you say? Interesting…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 08:20 PM

Soooo what else can be justified with force? Just curious
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 08:15 PM

Except the Taliban was formed in the early 90s, not long after the US had knowingly funded small insurgency groups to fight the soviet influence in Afghanistan. Afghanistan, like many nations, were in a place where they were roughly in a similar place as far as progress as the Soviet Union (which wasn’t far off the west) and that only began to change when these funded insurgency groups began gaining influence in the 80s and 90s
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 07:55 PM

Ironically most would be peasants trapped in the same mess as the women they want to subjugate
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 07:33 PM

Is your only claim of rights not being inherent an appeal to force as a mechanism? Yes or no?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 07:17 PM

Yep, they know admitting this removes any reasonable doubt that they are, in fact, the villain here. I do get a kick out of them cowering to admit it after they broach the idea though
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 07:16 PM

Once more, it is a yes or no question. Answer it directly. You’re talking in very vague terms now and are avoiding the core philosophical principal.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 07:15 PM

Answer the question directly.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 07:02 PM

“Financial elite facilitated feminism - Financial elite were all aware of Epstein's pedo ring + many many other rings we aren't aware of” - this is literally ideological
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 07:02 PM

You’re saying rights are not inherent, and are saying women’s rights aren’t natural. Your frame of reference is the Taliban and the forced removal of rights. Is your only claim of rights not being inherent an appeal to force as a mechanism?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 07:00 PM

Again, is force your only claim?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 06:53 PM

Right… so then you have absolutely no business lumping them in with feminists. They’re opportunists appealing to what will get them what they want (could be votes, could be financial growth, could be attention) - the ones who ‘facilitated feminism’ also ‘fascinated MAGA’, they also actively ‘facilitated capitalism’ - you made it ideological
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 06:53 PM

And many who stand against feminism are in the same ring as well. How many republicans, conservatives, and right leaning people are on that list as well or have been aware? Cause the number seems to be quite big
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 06:46 PM

This kind of post is, ironically, the exact reason feminism is needed. What makes women’s rights ‘not inherent’? Is force your only claim?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 06:44 PM
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At this point I feel like there are a lot of unresolved feelings you’re ignoring Just be gay. You can do that even with straight women around
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 01:39 PM

And many cis men, AS CIS MEN, would disagree with you. Take that up with your god
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 11:59 PM

Literally the dismissiveness I’m talking about lol Trans people aren’t aliens, so again, idk what you’re on about
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 11:53 PM

This is because community, friendship and a strong support circle are good anchors and good gateways. And say you never get a partner? You’re better off with a supportive community pushing you to your best than you are alone and moping about The issue isn’t the mourning of a lack of romantic options, it is when it becomes bitterness and ironically (since you’re accusing others of being dismissive) - the dismissive nature of centring romance above all else. Get to know people, learn how to connec…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 11:50 PM
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Not really - cause I don’t really date men. Like I am attracted to both genders but I romantically have no interest in men. Dating in queer, and especially more trans friendly circles tend to be more ‘vibes’ based. Like ‘it just happens’ is more of a norm and its far less about gender roles in themselves as everyone’s navigating their own identity, in a way
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 10:43 PM
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Joke’s on you, I am not beholden to cishet dating conventions
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:31 PM

For one thing cause upping your game and improving your situation will always help a lot. If you want to stay insecure that’s on you. Also, people just flat out don’t wanna hurt each other’s feelings. There is also the danger factor of it all - yeah, you’re saying you wanna hear it, but many guys will also react violently to being told “you’re ugly”
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:30 PM
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I feel like we have different views of what positive masculinity is. It isn’t toxic masculinity but spoken more nicely, and it is worth noting that we are usually directing this at people who find masculinity to be important to their identity/ what they might be into. For example, “manage your emotions properly” means find healthy coping mechanisms and process them, and as for the provider aspect - if someone does want to lean into that provider role, doing so without over-exertion and takings d…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:57 PM
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This is a study done in New Zealand, which is a vastly more progressive nation than the US, Canada or UK Also… 10% toxic means you’ll have toxic men in nearly every room you go to. For example, if I’m in a library or lecture hall with 100-150 men, this means any 10 to 15 men are toxic. Thats like saying “oh see? A 10% crime rate is low!”
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:34 PM
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I never asserted ‘only men’ - of course women need to work on a lot. However, what I am responding to OP’s premise of “men don’t need to do better. Women do.” - if his premise was “both genders have stuff they need to work on” my response would’ve been different
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:25 PM
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I think I answered this pretty clearly, it’s cause a lot of guys just flat out suck and are unpleasant to be around
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:08 PM
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Cause a lot of guys flat out suck? Like sorry to be blunt about it… but it just is flat out true. There are amazing guys, to be clear, but I find more men to be unpleasant than not (and I’m sure many women agree) “The bar is hell” is basically a way of saying “its sad that most men can’t achieve the bare minimum” - which is to be respectable adults with an idea for a future (you don’t have to be mr. Big dicked chad, to be clear), an actual sense of personal hygiene and to maybe be something othe…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:00 PM
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Huh, I’m pretty sure my comment was about men crying about it, not about who’s more lonely. Being lonely isn’t the issue here - pathologizing it into an ideology that exists to regress social progress, however, is. More women are likely to seek out coping mechanism, community, etc - in fact, women are more likely to be more content single than men are soooo
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 04:52 PM
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If you want to reject masculinity entirely, you have all the freedom in the world to do that. However, with the existence of toxic masculinity and with how many men embrace it, a positive alternative is necessary as most men will not accept ‘no masculinity’
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 04:41 PM
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And yet, men are the ones crying non stop about being lonely and how women don’t like them. Funny how that works
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 04:39 PM
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You’re literally making stuff up
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 04:37 PM

Please, put more words in my mouth. I’d like nothing more
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 04:25 PM
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It’s about as common for women to cheat as it is for men to cheat, if not slightly less common, I believe. Take with that as you may
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 12:11 PM

Yeah you’re totally “not red pilled” lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 07:25 AM

I mean it literally is… when people feel less coerced/pressured to do something they’ll do it less. Like less women are having sex with men they don’t want to have sex with because now they feel notably safer than before. Seriously what did you expect? “Thanks for not raping me! Now I’ll let you sleep me with me as a reward”?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 07:20 AM

The core issue with this post and tbh with how many young men view dating is the view that women should somehow be your reward for…. Being okay with the liberation of women? Are you serious? Do you honestly believe that when women’s rights are involved, we will sit here and say “you know what? I know you’re making a whole show about how men don’t mind us having rights and are therefore not dependent on them… so as a thank you we’ll return to those men anyway” like come on dude Here is the thing:…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 07:17 AM
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For the teenagers? No, it isn’t For the adult men? It absolutely is
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 07:47 PM
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If that’s what men and boys are doing, then the male sex is fucked beyond recovery Thankfully, that’s not the case outside of maybe teenagers (most of which grow out of these phases) and incel groups. The red pill doesn’t even take him seriously
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 07:40 PM
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Tbh out of every manosphere figure he’s prob the only one I genuinely pity, cause he’s a direct result of all this internet manosphere bs we’ve seen the past decade or so. Hes a direct reflection of these spaces and he’s running himself to an early grave
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 07:24 PM
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And he’s actively made a fool of himself. There is a convo to be had about how the media draws attention to anything for clicks, but Clav is fascinating cause he’s a train wreck you can’t take your eyes of, he isn’t a positive presence for looksmaxxing. The general perception is weirded out fascination or pity
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 07:23 PM
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I think that’s where this hilarious disconnect happens. It is talked about a lot online, but irl unless you’re in middle/high school (and most of which grow out of these things), or unless you’re around lonley men circlejerks, the manosphere is generally seen as a joke
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 07:21 PM
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What you describe has always been there, the difference between TRP and others is TRP makes the most extreme conclusions, actively misinterprets and frames info with the intent to vilify. To add to this, the term ‘hypergamy’ - which was already seen loosely in the first place, has kind of lost all meaning. It went from “women want a man more successful than them” (which to begin with is a snaky premise. But at least there was a premise) to whatever you want it to mean
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 07:20 PM
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Would you expect the same of a man who knows he’s infertile?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 02:45 PM
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Do you think infertile women are also liars? In presented under the conditions presented
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 02:42 PM
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Genuinely, look into the nuances of dysphoria cause it can present itself as subtle indifference as a defense mechanism. You have to be willing to explore that emotion and feeling and really reflect on it
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 02:19 AM
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Often times they don’t go as far as taking hormones in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 01:16 AM
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I feel half responsible for this discourse over a shitpost I made a few days back saying transmaxxing was a good idea (so those of you who saw the troll, good eye) And no, transmaxxing - to put it bluntly - is a delusional circlejerk using passing trans women as scapegoats for their movements, often taking things that are indeed positives and primarily a result of people finally living as their true selves and bringing their best foot forward while ignoring things like the increased harassment, …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 12:28 AM

And yet, the actual words coming out of your mouth is RP rhetoric. This is the exact same thing as the whole “I’m a centrist, now let me actually list only right wing beliefs” bs
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 07:22 PM

Your literal entire post history including this post are full of RP talking points
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 05:34 PM

You’ve been spouting nothing but RP talking points lol
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 05:15 PM

Ngl watching you fall down the redpill rabbithole in real time is really fascinating and a little concerning
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 03:46 PM
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‘Nice’ was never mentioned in these traits lol
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 03:44 PM
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Do you think being nice is the same as being engaging, confident, genuine and warm?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 03:42 PM
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And yet, people who do get get laid are indeed engaging, confident, are perceived authentically even if they’re not, and have moments of warmth or displays of warmth (even if mixed in with messy moments). And here is the thing… the meanest person in town can get laid, if they’re engaging, fun to be around and confident. Like there is a reason the ‘mean people’ people are attracted to are confident and outgoing. Nobody’s into a mean average dude lol Flat out, I really do think people who complain…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 03:37 PM
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Right so…. What does a mother do if the father is neglectful or abusive? (Both to the wife and the child)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 04:56 AM
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And at that point is it then okay for another man to step in and become a step father?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 04:54 AM
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Cool, at what point would you consider a father to be unfit? And when do you consider a mother to be unfit? Be specific for each
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 04:50 AM
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Sooooo what about when you get married and the man is a bad husband? Why leave out this scenario?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 04:44 AM
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Tbh he may aswell have just said “it is bad for society cause I don’t like that women are moving on from shitty men”
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 04:37 AM
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So much of what you say is disconnected. For one thing, people give far less of a shit about “optimal evolutionary strategy” than you let on. Secondly, if the step dad loves the kid and is willing to raise them… who cares? Thirdly, no, the existence of the step dad doesn’t “incentivize” single motherhood - and that’s a very funny way to say “women can leave shitty men now, and I have a problem with that” Lastly, how is it “bad for society”? Ya’ll think single moms are the bane of existence and y…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 04:36 AM
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“Great personality” in the context of dating isn’t ’good person’ - it means a personality that has gravity, generates interest and is memorable Such a person can be morally good, morally bad or anywhere in between. Now, that’s not to say “don’t be a good person” - you should absolutely be a good person, though also stop insisting people keep telling you to “be a good person so you could get laid” - especially cause, if anything, doing so to get laid means you’re not a good person imo
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 03:29 AM
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Ayyyy 4w5… pretty sure that’s what I got years ago too lol
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 03:11 AM
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I think long as it is communicated clearly, consent is respected and it isnt a detriment on your life (ex. Becomes a major time constraint, messes with things like self care, makes you even more stressed, etc) then it can 100% be a healthy outlet
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 03:02 AM
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I mean it’s not that having a great personality doesn’t work - I really do think that a lot of the people complaining about this non stop simply don’t have very good personalities. Flat out.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 03:01 AM
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Do you have a link to the test? I haven’t done one in years and the one I just did just got pay walked so fuck that
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 02:59 AM
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Girl I really hope you get your self esteem up
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 03:38 PM
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And more men perpetuate “a man can’t be raped” than woman do And I am referring to general sexual violence, no matter how broad you wanna describe it. Women are far more likely to be unconsensually touched (and this includes by strangers), cat called, stalked, stared at and so on. Women are told “don’t walk into dark alleyways” or “be careful when out alone at night” more than men for obvious reasons Reality just doesn’t line up with your previous comment, idk what else to tell you
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 02:21 PM
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Funny, cause the behavior towards FULLY CLOTHED men and women says otherwise, “well what was he wearing?” Isn’t a thing, and sexual violence (both by a partner and non partner) is notably more likely to happen to women than men (despite yes, men suffer more violence on average… at the hands of other men)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 02:16 PM
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Have a topless man and a topless woman walk on the street and tell me which of the two are more likely to get groped, cat called and even graped
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 02:10 PM
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It almost sounds like you’re saying the problem is inherent to men being men
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 02:09 PM
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Sexualization and objectification aren’t the same thing. Someone being turned on by you is one thing an in itself 100% fine, someone reducing you to ‘thing that turns me on’ (which is what objectification is) is another
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 02:06 PM
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“Women want to be hit on by people they are attracted to” riveting stuff, truly
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 05:22 PM
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Not a pick me. Divorce is complex and multi layered Not a pick me. Nobody believes false accusers should be punished, though also false accusations are rare and we are playing with fire Not a pick me either. Being a housewife isn’t wrong inherently in itself A pick me is a woman who fully acts for the approval of men, often at the cost of her own well being/ well being of another woman. For example, all of the examples you mentioned in themselves aren’t pick me’s because neither involves putting…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 05:20 PM
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If the most “real” version of me is ooga booga violence then men are indeed the problem. Now, I don’t believe this to be the case with men inherently as the flip side includes farmers, protectors and a non-violent approach to things like hunting across multiple societies. I also think that while testosterone does make you more prone for aggression, that doesn’t mean a propensity to violence. Like you paint this extremely unflattering image of men and the solution…. “Be fake”? I mean what you pit…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 05:13 PM

Oh damn you’re bringing all the MAGA talking points. Gotta love it
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 04:17 AM

I wish I was high, I have to stay home sober cause I’m sick lol
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 02:48 AM

I’m not asking anyone to pretend
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 02:47 AM

No, its not.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 02:42 AM

But I’m not “transing them” - they still have full control over their choices
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 02:42 AM

I mean it kind of is when the condition is sex
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 02:19 AM

Yeah but a lot of the guys on here are very loudly against that
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 02:18 AM

But most of these guys are straight and into women
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 02:15 AM

But none of that is happening
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 02:15 AM

Funny that you mention this, cause I am a satanist
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 02:14 AM

So what… your feelings are hurt = reduce women’s rights?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 02:02 AM

Nope, not at all. I’m saying it is a thing you can do. Whether it ‘belongs’ in transgenerism or not isn’t for me to decide as if a person is taking hormones + is socially transitioning m+ is presenting as a gender from the gender of their birth, are they not trans by default? I mean being trans isn’t an ideology
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 02:00 AM

It’s a real thing. Look it up
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 01:56 AM

Hold on now, the advice isn’t personal cause I’m not a transmaxer. I just flat out have dysphoria. I’m saying if you wanna transmax, there is a route
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 01:55 AM

Yeah like stat sliders in a video game
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 01:53 AM

I am a transgender individual. Why does what I’m saying apply to every single trans person?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 01:47 AM

You’re maxing your transgender stat
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 01:46 AM

So telling others “grow tits” = men should bring back patriarchy?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 01:46 AM

It is advice I’m giving. Idk if I’d call it personal
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 01:41 AM

Think of it as more of a… transition, if you will
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 01:02 AM

But you also avoid the exploitation of women from 3d world countries since you’d basically be dating each other
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 12:57 AM
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Bet
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 12:28 AM

Tbh at this point I’m tempted to just say yes because of how often I see this statement thrown around.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 12:24 AM

It is far too early for schizo hour
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 12:22 AM
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Okay, so if you had to choose - A) transgender man who has a vagina, but had his breasts removed, is burly and muscular with body hair and a beard B) transgender woman with a penis, but due to years of estrogen/anti androgens has feminine body fat redistribution, soft skin with little to no hair, breasts and a feminine face Pick one. A or B? (You can’t say neither)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 08:22 PM
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So what comes first? The pussy or the feminine features?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 07:34 PM
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And yet, closeted gay people have slept with and had kids with partners of the opposite sex despite disliking it. Funny how that works
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 07:21 PM
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And to add to this, you can do all this without literally sacrificing your life and well being for them
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 04:18 PM
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This sounds like sad - and frankly horrible - advice Even if you can’t get casual sex, sacrificing everything for it will lead to many mental and emotional issues down the line
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 03:16 PM
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I’d love to know what you’re basing this on cause this sounds very much untrue. Now, if the question was “if asked at gunpoint, would you sleep with a beautiful girl or an ugly guy?” Like if you literally had no other choice, if one is straight, and they so happen to choose the beautiful girl then that would not change their sexuality as at least the beautiful girl would be pleasant to look at. So if you’re not attracted to both, may aswell go with the more pleasant one. Right? If you wanna take…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 06:42 AM
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What leads you to believe that? Without any real explanation this sounds like an insult
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 03:08 AM
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I mean… if the “consequences” are men being pervy then men need to fix their shit lol Why not argue for the niqab if that’s how you feel?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 11:33 PM
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Imo we should all wear beige rags, and maintain a hairless appearance (and this includes men). That should even the playing field
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 11:32 PM
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Not sure why this is for BP only, but to answer the obvious question: one involves cornering people, invading their space, door to door salesmen like techniques (and imo door to door salesmen as scum), the whole philosophy of treating women like crackable codes, the view that women are interchangeable while makeup/heels/high wasted pants are none of this stuff. Pickup involves a series of actions you do to others. Makeup/heels/etc don’t. Makeup/heels/etc can certainly be a performance for men, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 11:30 PM
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What you describe is a house wife, not a bang maid. Huge difference. A bang maid is far more limited to sex and housework, she is far more limited than a housewife and does not engage in raising children. And “this is what women have done traditionally for years”, even when applied to housewives is awful framing. Historically, while gender roles were indeed still rigid, everyone had to work and the vast majority of times, everyone had to stay within the village or home within some capacity - in …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 08:35 PM
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Men do suck at supporting each other, but your solution is horrid and will make things worse for everyone. Cause what you’re calling for is “men should fight to make women second class citizens again”… which, hey, if you wanna say that do your thing, at least you’re behind honest but also there is really nothing to say other than what you’re saying is abhorrent and if one chooses to physically fight you over it, then so be it
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 08:21 PM
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When I was living as a man, people wouldn’t mess with me. Since I’ve begun presenting more relatively femme 2-3ish weeks ago, I’ve had 3 guys be creepy towards me, each in a different way. To add to this, a friend of mine (alt girl) gets tons of creepy messages on her dating apps, quite a few friends have talked about random men being creeps or an ex crossing a line, many many women complain about things like cat calling, and even stalking and I could go on and on and on
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 08:05 PM

Very nice. Strawmanning AND posturing. Those are some big brain debate tactics. Secondly, I don’t deny the existence of misandrists. Though also, the “femosphere” is small, obscure and is largely debated on if they’re just an obscure reactionary response to the much larger/more influential manosphere, which has been poking and prodding for quite some time before this small/obscure reactionary movement (if even) even was a thing
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 08:02 PM

Bro wtf is the femosphere
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 07:30 PM
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I like that you talk in circles and provide nothing tangible. How does one debate this?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 07:00 PM
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Nah the stat is an actually true - albeit a bit misleading. 70% of market demand for fiction are women, yes, but also women in general are far more likely to read than men
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 07:53 PM
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Please never use the phrase pum pum ever again
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 07:04 PM
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This is literally how slavery was justified and it is literally morally wrong because they are people. What are you on about?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 07:04 PM
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“The side effect” that doesn’t frame you any better if that’s what you’re trying to do
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 06:40 PM
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LOL, I see what you did there. You just couldn’t resist But sure, keep saying that. As far as I’m concerned you prefer women who don’t respect themselves and who will let you walk all over them
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 06:31 PM
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If you like women like this, you like women who are easy to take advantage of. Make with that as you may
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 06:28 PM
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“Men love insecure women eager for their approval, who are willing to throw themselves and others under the bus for male attention. Be more like them” Reason #910847479108372810838078 why women are trusting men less and less
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 06:09 PM
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This is all totally fair and you’re right to call them out, though also manosphere content does have the largest impact on young men looking at the reach of each individually
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 03:56 PM
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I mean… I could recognize that a dude is attractive, and would be a good partner but just isn’t right for me. Do I have to fuck him to be telling the truth?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 03:49 PM
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Of course there are other examples of toxic grifty content. Though in the context of dating, and ease of access the manosphere is kind of the most prevalent. What else did you have in mind?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 03:42 PM

My dude really came in and said “stats mean nothing to me. I will subscribe to my version of reality” And to be clear I have nothing against questioning the validity of studies…. So long as that questioning is rooted in critiquing the methodology and framework. You may as well could’ve said “I disagree. Therefore it is wrong” And to be clear I’m not huge on marriage myself. In fact I’m finding the concept in itself more meaningless. I’m targeting your specific critique rather than your views on …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 06:08 AM
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What do you mean? Also my second point can (and is) fully applied out of the manosphere as well
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 06:04 AM
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For one thing I think more men are starting to put 1 and 2 together and realize TRP is a grift that isn’t helping them
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 05:13 AM
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To put it bluntly, learn some media literacy. Manosphere content is designed to infect your brain and bait you. Stop getting duped by it because it is activly hindering you and your future. Learn that it is okay to take things slow and build a reliable social circle first. Make friends, have fun and live moment to moment - stop worrying about how you’re perceived
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 03:52 AM
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And yet, the more men adopted this serious no fun chaddy chad persona, the lonelier they’ve become. Funny how that works
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 03:03 AM

Birds fly high, weed is legal in some spots. Not a coincidence
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 01:57 AM

Not to brag, but a dog who was scared of men warmed up to me years before my transition
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 12:58 AM
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Why even ‘semi enforce’ it in the first place?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 12:55 AM
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The boring answer: Most people will remain monogamous while some will become polyamorous (not polygamous, to be very very clear). Some will also remain alone. Most people do, in fact, want commitment and I think things will stabilize once this gender war bs stops. Some will realize monogamy doesn’t work and will become polyamorous. And some - whether it be by choice or not - will remain alone. That’s that, it doesn’t take hyper complex red pill theorizing
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 12:53 AM
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So I’ve been thinking about this between RP men’s general ‘serious persona’ and that the more light hearted posts tend to have a higher response rate from women than from men (despite this being a male dominant sub). Like I think it hit me with my ‘hear me out’ posts - I’ve never seen RP men be so quiet. Flat out, these dudes don’t like fun. I’ve gotten that vibe before and I’ve been seeing it more now
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 11:12 PM
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Well you see, the redpill says the bluepill says this so it must be true
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 10:14 PM
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“I don’t agree with the pills” “Anyway, the redpill is extreme. But the blue pill? Well, the blue pill is exactly the boogeyman the redpill says it is” 1) there is no such thing as the blue pill outside of red and black circles 2) I find it funny that your only view of non red (or black) pill viewpoints is a cartoony strawman
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 10:12 PM
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I’m relatively new to being sexually harassed by random people, and yeah, a few people on here have framed it as “at least you’re getting attention” - like sure, I love being stared at, cat called and touched. Also the same men who say this stuff immediacy put the walls up and see it as them being violated when a gay men hits on them
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 04:15 PM

So um… what’s with the uptick of level 1 RP content? Spring got ya’ll thinking bout things?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 05:51 AM
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Oh? Why not say what you’re thinking out loud?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 05:21 AM
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Hey man, if that helps you sleep at night
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 04:34 AM
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I’m moreso shit talking. But fine, I’ll say something else. He thinks the world is flat, so I wouldn’t take his word to heart. Better?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 04:19 AM
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What makes you think this is the case?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 03:59 AM
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It literally is. Sure, a rich famous person might sleep with a person of notably lower income if they met at a random club, but they’d hardly ever date You’re talking vastly different lifestyles, schedule expectations, values, etc - one of the two sides often sees dating the other as difficult because they live entirely different lives. Celebs almost always up with either other celebs, or people within a similar economic bracket. This isn’t new information
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 03:56 AM
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Of course, I’m not saying these women are not of low character. What I’m saying is Paul is a man of low character who flaunts and talks a big game. He will attract materialistic shallow women because he’s presented himself as someone who only has that to offer
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 03:10 AM
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Idk this seemed to have generated quite the counter lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 03:01 AM
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In all fairness, unless you actively watch sports you won’t know who Klay is - especially after 2019. He was never exactly a superstar the same way Steph was, and even when they won their rings Steph, KD and LeBron took all the conversation
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 02:41 AM
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I was being fastidious. Point is, I’m not exactly gonna take the word of a shit talking volatile personality to heart. You attract what you get, he attracts women who are ‘work’ and he, frankly, comes off as a very unpleasant person to be around
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 02:34 AM
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I mean… Paul Pierce also said he was better than D. Wade so I wouldn’t take his word to heart
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 02:29 AM
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You do know that people often date within their economic bracket…. Right?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 02:28 AM
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I mean… if someone kinda knows what they want or end up finding happiness, should they leave that be in favour of experimenting? Experimenting is one way to do it, there are multiple others. I personally am totally okay with people experimenting, but I am putting a spotlight on the “should” framing
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 09:15 PM

You aren’t answering my question
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 07:27 PM

Right, so back to the core question. You self improve, don’t get the girl. Then what?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 07:18 PM

Right. Self improve for the sake of women, and again, if you get nobody. Then what?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 07:09 PM

True, but you gotta
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 07:09 PM

And yet, many men who look like “Chad” still do
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 07:08 PM

You’re right, but that’s exactly what I’m getting at. Do all these things. These are all good things. Though be sure to do them for yourself and your own internal sense of well being and not for the sake of validation
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 06:37 PM

Right soooo.. keep the focus and your entire drive on getting the girl Honestly no wonder dudes get bitter lol
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 06:35 PM

The issue isn’t the act of doing these things, the issue is centring appealing to women as your entire drive. By all means, go to the gym, improve your circumstances - just be sure you’re doing it for yourself and your own satisfaction with your own life. Cause think of it this way - you self improve, don’t get the girl…. Then what?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 06:29 PM
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A lot of guys use “physical touch is my love language” as an attempt to get closer to sex. Of course, there are guys who do truly have physical touch as a love language via playful touching/ hugs/ cuddling/ etc and none of it is sexual, but especially when it comes to allowing others to touch you, you kinda do have to the mental calculus of “is he just saying that it is his love language so can touch me for his own pleasure? Or is physical touch genuinely his love language?”
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 05:07 PM
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‘Get desire’ - as in me feeling desire as an emotion or other people desiring me?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 04:08 PM
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I guess I personally didn’t mind it, even when I was a guy. Like sometimes attraction just takes time. Nothing wrong with that
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 02:05 PM
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I guess I just don’t see how that’s an issue
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 02:00 PM
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No no you’re right I should’ve developed the ability to literally read minds
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 01:57 PM
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Because it isn’t just about sleeping with someone? To use someone means to mislead them or manipulate them to where without such manipulation or coercion m, they would not have given their consent in their first place Also if someone has fully consented, and is afterwords actively dismissed, then they’ve kinda been used excuse they’re fully reduced to an outlet for pleasure. Like even when you’re hooking up with someone, be respectful about it lol
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 01:46 PM
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Imma copy and paste the comment I just wrote cause it does address your question cleanly for the most part (though from what I understand, yes, it is more similar to how cis women feel things) So basically, I would say my attraction to the men I find more attractive has become more visceral and intense, and my attraction to women kinda leveled out to a constant noticeably good. Like I am attracted to more women but when I do become attracted to a man, it hits harder. I also feel it differently, …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 01:43 PM
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So basically, I would say my attraction to the men I find more attractive has become more visceral and intense, and my attraction to women kinda leveled out to a constant noticeably good. Like I am attracted to more women but when I do become attracted to a man, it hits harder. I also feel it differently, like it isn’t this centralized sensation that kinda ends when you ejaculate, it’s more a constant wave that builds with more tension but isn’t all encompassing. Like it can initially exist but …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 01:42 PM
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I think it is more nuanced than that. I think its more that most men don’t garner an instant reaction but could grow on a woman
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 01:35 PM
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I can attest to that. Albeit, I went from bi man to bi woman and yeah, my sense of attraction changed quite a bit. Granted, I’ve always leaned demi, but the way i experienced it has changed. I def feel it more everywhere in my body now and something like how I perceive you might perform aftercare kinds matters a ton to me now
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 10:31 AM
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So there is a lot wrong with how you’re perceiving women experience attention, but imma side step that. Given your flair, are you saying that women are pretty or that guys are ugly? Like why does this post exist?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 10:25 AM

He’s getting a little too confident, best shut it down quick
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 03:04 AM
1

The 03 mustang looks mean… I like it lol
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 03:03 AM
2

Boooring Have fun n with it
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 03:02 AM

Her boyfriend, duh
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 09:19 PM
1

Elsa is literally conventionally attractive though
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 09:02 PM
3

How is Elsa a “hear me out”?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 08:51 PM

You’ve clearly never gotten off on your own imagination and it shows. I’d also love to know where the “faceless” bit came from cause it sounds false Also, idk what women you’re having sex with but man…. It sounds miserable. If she ain’t touching you, having her hands all over your back, touching your chest, caressing your body, etc then she flat out is bored and is waiting for it to end
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 07:15 PM
2

Honestly I totally get it, evil women get me weak lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 05:54 PM
1

Lmfao totally fair, been there
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 05:27 PM
1

Right - so why the dismissiveness in your previous response?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 05:26 PM
3

I’ve actually heard it happen fairly frequently. It isn’t uncommon for dudes to want more and at least perceive it as wanting a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 05:19 PM
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Schrödinger’s ‘modern woman’: both simultaneously getting the attention of the top men and overrating her own value at the same time
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 04:27 PM
1

Him is a great pick, they do have an effect on people
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 03:29 PM
2

It’s like saying Matt Smith is my hear me out… which… he isn’t a hear me out imo, he’s just hot
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 02:24 PM
3

Ngl the Quaker Oats guy has tender soft lover energy
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 02:14 PM
2

I see the vision. I can understand why
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 01:49 PM

Right, except the critique isn’t that you won’t date her. The critique is you’re calling another person “used up”
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 01:17 PM
4

Love the consistency
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 12:39 PM
1

Tbh I don’t think they’re fixations… moreso just “this character is hot” and moving on lol Of course people can 100% fixate and it can become problematic, though I don’t think r thinking a character is hot is that
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 12:38 PM

Here is the thing, nobody has an issue with you dating who you want to date. People have an issue with you villainizing and shaming those who you don’t want to date. If the argument was something like “I don’t date women with high body counts. We have incompatible views towards sex” , sure, you’d piss some people off (which… whenever, you can’t please everyone), but most people would just shrug and move on. Though more often than not, when men bring up the body counts debate it is brought with t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 12:28 PM
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To me it is setting dependent. When one is doing errands, walking down the street, working out and so on. It is prob best not to approach them (though if you’re confident in your ability to read social cues and they seem approachable, do so respectfully). In spots like bars, clubs, cafes, parks, hobby groups, concerts, college (the common areas), and so on… these are spots where socialization is expected so go nuts assuming you’re being respectful and the person doesn’t look occupied. I wouldn’t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 11:29 PM

Once more, there is no such thing as the blue pill, therefore there is no ‘virtues’ to be had. Also, “rejecting the truth of dating” is pure ideologue talk because it subscribes to one truth and rejects the notion that dating is entirely a subjective, personal experience
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 11:26 PM
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It is complex and so much of it is tied to cognitive stuff we don’t understand fully. Though I think that’s what gender is, a perception of cognitive + endocrine factors…. I’ve probably honesty only described like 5% of it, but there is also a ton about the brain we don’t understand yet
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 05:22 PM
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So here is where it gets interesting. I can’t give a concrete answer because I do think gender identity is more about how one exists in the world rather than the role they play. Like let’s put it this way, a butch cis woman is still a woman, and a femme twink, and even a femboy is still a man. Non binary people also exist and they don’t define themselves as “Being a woman” is less about a specific series of characteristics and more about how one cognitively interacts with the world. The range of…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 05:04 PM
1

I can see how you’d see it that way and I agree, this worldview is just as shitty. Though it is not representative of the vast majority of feminist schools of thought
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 04:22 PM
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This is the core disagreement. I think if a series of ideas lead to shitty worldviews, then the series of ideas themselves are shitty. TRP uses truth the same way any cult does. It brings people in with initial truths the fills the person’s mind with harmful stuff. This is how every cult/religious organization has worked. This is how basic ideological coercion works Like idk what you’re asking for me. If you’re asking me to say “working out helps, women like attractive successful guys, there are…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 04:21 PM
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I didn’t choose to be a woman, I kinda just am. Also, I’m about to blow your mind: I’m not very feminine, I lean more butch and sure, I enjoy stuff like fashion and some makeup, I’ve ironically become more comfortable with my masculinity after transitioning and being a masc woman. Being a woman isn’t about feminine and being a man isn’t about being masculine. There are masc and fem women, and vice versa I’m also not against gender roles inherently. I’m against the enforcement and societal expect…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 03:43 PM
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TRP has been argued against at least a thousand times in this sub. When your core ideology relies on “this is female nature. This is just fact” and the vast majority of times leads to justify having an awful worldview - which include stuff like blaming women for your problems or pushing for one sided traditional gender roles - then it point blank is a shitty ideology. It also has a dirty habit of treat pop evopsy as absolute fact and is very selective with data interpretation. And I mean…. If th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 03:41 PM
2

Thank you! Same goes to you
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 03:05 PM
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Right, but when your foundational pieces and core text (The Rational Male) is built on that bitter mindset, as well as the fact that the vast majority of RPers seem to be that way…. Yeah, it becomes a problem with the ideology. It isn’t guilt by association, it’s more like the “good ones” are the exception (which I grasp how many ‘good ones’ there really are, cause tbh if you did have a moral bone in your body you wouldn’t associate yourself with TRP)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 03:05 PM
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I have pointed them out fairly frequently on this sub lol And again, TRP isn’t just “the base observation”, it is a lot more than that. It involves direct character judgments and I really don’t think it is a coincidence that as far as RP speakers, text, content creators and followers that misogyny, bitterness, gender essentialism and so on are the norm, not the exception. So TRP either does a horrible job keeping the shitbags out, or TRP is a shitbag ideology - which at one point they really bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 02:49 PM
4

OP is calling himself a feminist, but frankly what he speaks is just a sugar coated way of saying “I am the dominant protector and me taking the bulk of the work is inevitable” - tbh the things he says are a ‘kind’ version of RP speak
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 02:46 PM
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I guess my primary issue is your argument relies a lot on “this is just how men and women are, and MY ROLE AS A MAN means that I am a protector” - like to put it bluntly, this reads as “I love women, but I don’t view you as an equal”, hence why I flat out wouldn’t call you a feminist. Like at the end of the day, you still hold a very binary/ rigid view of gender and gender roles, and seem to actively exclude those who do int fit into your worldview. Flat out, I’d rather be closer to a man who sp…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 02:43 PM
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I mean… when your whole ideology relies on wide generalizations, misinterpreting studies, character judgements taken as fact, claims of the opposite gender’s nature and a push for said opposite gender to be subservient (ya’ll use different words, but it all routes back to this), then yes, your ideology is controlling and even wrong. TRP pretend to be this big philosophical revelation because it mentions obvious truths, and then builds them to their worst possible logical endpoints. It is a shitt…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 02:35 PM
4

I grew up in Saudi Arabia, especially around a time where gender roles were even more rigid than they are now (still very rigid btw), and even the west was still very gender role driven in the 90s and early/mid 2000s. So I likely would’ve been subject to a lot of the very strict religious stuff in Saudi, may not have been allowed to study aboard, and so on. So a part of it is 1000% a privilege thing I also think because I know what being a man is like, at least as far how men are socialized amon…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 02:27 PM
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I certainly wouldn’t change being a trans woman and tbh I don’t wish I was cis, though it has nothing to do with praise or anything like that and moreso I do think being raised as a boy, and having seen the world form the eyes of a man has contributed to my overall outlook. I love my personality and tbh I don’t think it would be the same if I was born cis Its complicated cause I don’t regret transitioning when I transitioned (ie. 5 months ago I started HRT), but also a part of me truly wishes I …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 02:13 PM
14

Oh boy do I have a funny story for you
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 05:46 AM
0

The phenomenon of women divorcing passport bros soon as they obtain the documents. They need is natural selection at work
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 07:19 PM
1

You do you, and really do what vibes with you. For some it is traditional gender roles, for others it is going the opposite route. As long as you’re not trying to push for a ‘default’ and aren’t trying to push your way onto others, it truly shouldn’t matter beyond one’s own personal dating preferences and how they act on them (even then, don’t use your dating preference as an excuse to be hateful to a group or to shame others… which many sadly do) I mean… I’m a masc trans woman, so I had to deco…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 07:18 PM
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Of course men face problems. Men are, on average, lonelier than women. However, I likely disagree on why (deterioration of social system, broicisim, an overreliance on women for validation, less friends). Men also do tend to get their mental health more neglected though also, I don’t think it is the women (at least directly) neglecting the men health of men. Young men also do struggle more with dating, though I also think these struggles are largely self inflicted and often reinforced by other m…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 07:16 PM
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How is it just a fact, exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 06:14 PM
12

For one thing wildfires are far more complex than needing fire fighters on foot to solve? Like do you not know how wildfires work?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 03:16 PM
10

Have ya’ll never interacted with other human beings recreationally before?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 02:27 PM
11

“What you have to offer” means your values, personality traits, how you present yourself, whether you make her laugh or feel good, and to some extent how you look. I don’t mean actual material value
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 02:21 PM
3

Literally not what I said, and you’re dodging what I am telling you. But if you view it that way, hey, you do you. You’ll keep making the same mistakes over and over again without ever reflecting on why
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 02:18 PM
14

What do you have to offer other than loyalty via technicality due to a lack of options?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 02:16 PM
0

If you give it enough time and you actually develop feelings for one person in a group then another it usually is a non issue. Though also, if you treat a friend group like an open buffet then it becomes a problem
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 02:15 PM
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Is all you have to offer not cheating out of a technicality? How do I know that the awkward man won’t cheat if given the chance?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 02:10 PM
1

I mean…. One would hope the person trying to date you views you as special, or at least interesting enough to maybe be special one day lol It isn’t about being “the second girl” it is about viewing women as interchangeable. A concept you fully glossed over and instead went to “this is why the bluepill sucks”
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 02:09 PM
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Because the choice to be loyal is infinity more valuable than being loyal via a technicality lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 02:03 PM
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I see this mistake made often and it is often at the base level of how one sees women. Why women don’t like it when you approach women in the same group - especially in short succession - is that you’re showing (whether you intend to or not) that your bar for being interested in someone is just “woman” - in other words, she isn’t seen as an individual, she is seen as an interchangeable asset. This is whole core issue with your post as a whole. I like to call it “obtain woman” cause it frames a r…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 01:49 PM
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You’re making the assumption that inability = loyalty, which isn’t inherently true Also, to put it bluntly… if your sales pitch is “loyal due to technicality” that doesn’t exactly inspire confidence in you as a partner
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 01:46 PM
1

Are you so normally and so frequently at the gym at 3:20am? Is this the exception or the norm? And again, this just doesn’t hold up. Parents who travel, work, workout and have social lives who do go to therapy still have an hour every other week, or sometimes even monthly. You’ve yet to show me that “I just don’t have time” isn’t code for “I just really don’t want to”
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 06:26 AM
1

What better more effective things are so important that you absolutly cannot spare an hour once every 2 weeks? I’m not saying you have to go, but I am pushing back at “I don’t have time”. You’re yet to mention an impossibly hard schedule so until the I just have to think that’s code for “I just really don’t want to and am racking up excuses”
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 06:18 AM
1

Imma be honest, I don’t buy the whole “I just don’t have time I am SO busy, you redditors need to get off the couch!” Bit. Idk, it just reads as defensive posturing. I am a nursing student (clinicals, classes, and a whole lotta studying), and I work out multiple times a week for 2 hours each. I see friends on weekends, volunteer weekly, cook my own meals, do improv weekly and despite all that, I see a therapist for an hour once every other week. “I don’t have time” is just code for “I don’t wann…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 06:14 AM
2

How am I lying to people?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 02:38 AM
3

Oh? Obvious how?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 02:37 AM
1

If that’s the reason you’re seeking therapy you’re shit out of luck. Now, if you want to understand your compulsive obsession with dating app matches and explore that further while potentially learning why such validation matters to you while finding ways to improve your life tangibly, then therapy will help
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 02:28 AM
1

Right, and I guess “women who rant loud enough on TikTok loud enough to make your algorithm” is now “women” as an end all?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 11:38 PM
3

You’re the exception, not the norm. Many men who are chronically single don’t have active social lives, and the stats show a heavy correlation between general loneliness and romantic loneliness. Now, why are you chronically single? I don’t know. I don’t know you, I’ve never interacted with you nor do I know what contributing factors might exist in your life. So there is nothing to base any assumptions on in your individual case
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 11:36 PM
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I think the morality would depend on things like whether you intend to for the sake of - let’s say - cultural or legal reasons the divorce rate is low rather than legitimately loving marriages because it could be seen as you looking for someone to ‘trap’ - but even then I feel the whole concept of “I’ll marry someone from here cause the divorce rates are low” in itself falls into iffy territory because you’ve basically shown us that you view the women you’d want to marry as interchangeable and a…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 11:25 PM
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And yet, there has been a serious rise in women lifting statistically, especially as many women have learned that lifting doesn’t inherently translate to big burly muscles. More women lift than you think. And if you want someone who’s direct, is accountability driven, basis their practice on goals/habits and so on, good news, many therapists already do that - in fact this is the direct practice that you will find with lots of therapists, though also a therapist has to verify that you’re actually…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 10:40 PM
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I didn’t say pickleball. You did. Also, many women also lift, therapists make up a % of that, believe it or not. So I’m not sure why you’re saying lifting is a primarily masculine thing. That all being said, there are a few masculine feminists. However, there are far less masc male feminists largely due to the lack of demand by masc men and the general stigmatization therapy had in masculine male spaces. If you want masc male therapists, maybe its time for masc men to reevaluate their relationsh…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 10:29 PM
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I dont go around asking therapists what they do for a living lol Even then, why lifting specifically? What if they play sports, or engage in a generally healthy lifestyle? Why does needing a therapist who lifts and “looks like” they don’t play golf or hang out in coffee shops matter to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 10:12 PM
2

Somewhat. It was certainly the theme of some of my trips though others related to friendships I knew were coming to an end, questioning where I am at life, wondering if I’m being fulfilled and so on
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 10:11 PM
3

That’s just flat out untrue. Many therapists are indeed wrong and if one feels off to you, it is always worth evaluating
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 09:32 PM
0

I’ve had bad trips, but even those came with some pretty strong revelations and reflections. Certainly glad I did these trips when I realized what my brain was trying to tell me
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 09:29 PM
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The unfortunate reality is finding the right therapist is tough. You basically have to find one that best suits your personality and like every healthcare professional, many are just not very good at their jobs
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 09:28 PM
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Yep - although I’d push back very slightly on both on their own as they do need some kind of guided direction, even if indirect I view them as both tools in a larger network than isolated individual forms
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 08:53 PM
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I think there is a general misconception on what therapy actually is and what it actually does. Talking as coping is a form of therapy but there are many types. I think people’s view of therapy is heavily impacted by isolated scenes in media tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 08:46 PM

Approach someone kindly. Say hi, and if they tell you to fuck off move on with your day. You gotta learn how to be okay with rejection, making someone slightly uncomfortable accidentally while you’re being respectful is sometimes unavoidable (of course do so in the appropriate setting and when someone isn’t occupied, to be clear)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 08:44 PM
7

So here is the thing with therapy…. There are multiple different kinds and has different functions. Talking as coping is just one form of therapy, but most forms involve discussing patterns, behaviours, reflections and translating it to something actionable between sessions in your real life. It just so happens that the only way explicitly express cognitive going ons and emotional happenings is through literally talking. The issue with what you’re proposing with “grr this is men’s therapy” is th…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 08:30 PM

No, not really. Now, I’m very selective with my bars/clubs and while I don’t hate them, I am picky. That being said, there are loads of ways to socialize without these things. I met my last situationship via friends of friends whom I initially met in a protest. My social circle now is friends I made volunteering and through improv. Live music (primarily punk and metal shows) is another setting that works for me (especially the smoker’s section). I’m also still introverted - though also I find th…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 06:40 PM
2

It isn’t uncommon for straight dudes to treat trans women as DL only, which is shitty. They’re attracted to us but also are ashamed that they’re attracted to us
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 01:23 AM
2

Tbh I can only speak from the experience of others as I’ve only been transitioning for almost 5 months, but in overall queer friendly spaces talking to people/ getting to know them/ going ‘places’ (so to speak) isn’t that difficult. I’m just very slow by nature lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 10:41 PM
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That’s one podcast host with one opinion. Most straight women would disagree with this, even if they’ve experimented Now, to be clear on where I stand I’m bi and homoromantic, so there is no ‘straightness’ I am trying to prove - but also, straight women exist. Like idk what else to tell
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 10:36 PM
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Does one questing their sexuality automatically mean they’re not straight?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 10:29 PM
9

Of course straight women exist. One could totally question their sexuality, and even exist then say “you know what? The opposite gene isn’t for me”, and some might never question it at all. Why would they not exist?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 10:13 PM
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