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OK, my main point is aggressive is not a good quality. And is a quality women avoid. I am not making an argument about the expectations of what being decisive means. I am arguing that aggression is not something women like
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 04:09 PM

A little bit of both. I like learning new things. But I prefer to have more stuff in common with a man than not
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 02:49 PM

I am so ok if a man asks me to pay. If he demands I pay 100% or 50% id pay then block him. This stuff needs to be discussed beforehand. Because a man inviting me to a fancy restaurant or date then demanding I pay for it is hella fucking rude. Id understand if I chose the place and knew I was paying. But id be hella pissed off
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 10:46 PM

Is there a 3rd option. I think most men are normal men. But I think with how they were raised they aren't well adjusted for women being independent from men and not knowing how to cope and self regulate
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 10:06 PM

Funily enough my good girl friend thought like this but in the reverse. Ie, the man needs to like rhe woman more and you, the eoman, should be more attractive than the man so he doesn't leave or cheat. And I had to explain to her how wrong, stupid, and insane that was. Crazy thinking peolle do crazy talking
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 09:12 PM

It doesn't matter. If i don't know something I can't act on it. I am not doing a schroedingers feelings with a guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 04:31 PM

Exactly this. I don't think a lot of NFL players or like actors or rock stars would be good fathers, let alone good partners, just cuz they are rich and or famous
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 11:58 AM

Society was wrongfully built on having a shit ton of kids because women were made to since they weren't allowed education or paying jobs. They were told their only purpose in life is to have kids. Now we have a surplus of people that low key, or a population so large we naturally as sexual animals cannot replace without coercion and or removal of human rights. And instead of make life a better place to have children, most governments opt into taking away the rights of women instead
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 11:57 AM

If 43% if the workers in the public sector are women and 15% are men... who are the other 42% of workers? Dogs? Also 43% is still less than half. Women doing better in school is also not the fault of girls and women. Edit: its 43% of women who work versus 15% of men who work. Which isn't a statistic of who holds more jobs in the public sector. But it could be that those are the jobs that women are better at and or because women are excluded from other types of jobs by men There is also the conce…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 11:50 AM
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It doesn't matter if the strategies are buying her flowers and giving her compliments. If she said no, trying multiple times to get a yes is wrong no matter how nice those individual tactics are Its like the difference between showing interest and stalking. To the stalker he is being nice. Leaving gifts and texting constantly but to everyone else they realize that the pattern is unhealthy even if the individual actions on their own are typically considered nice or harmless. If a man said he did …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 11:45 AM
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Who cares if he secretly is interested. The point is I don't know he is interested so I won't be interested in him or at least choose him. No one wants to be with someone they aren't sure about their feelings. If i can't be sure a guy likes me, I don't wanna date them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 01:34 AM
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And the truth reveals itself. Its almost like she could tell OP wanted just sex and the other guy actually wanted to spend time with her
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 11:58 PM
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Hmm, I guess that may be true for lots of women. Personally I like people watching and prefer when the man talks so I can just listen. Sometimes I emd up talking too much and I get uber insecure about it and have definitely stopped seeing a guy/s cuz I was the one filling the majority of the talking space and he was just receiving it. Felt like talking to a stone wall after awhile.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:54 PM
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How do you try to make her feel relaxed?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:15 PM
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Yeah, that's exactly my point. The stuff yall do is only stuff for women who are already attracted to you. It does nothing for women who don't like you. So, I already know what I want on accepting the date. The date is to asses if I want to actually go for what I want with you. You being a good vibe is yeah, showing me I am making the right choice. And that is it. Nothing the tactics do (unless its manipulative tactics) are things that change my mind from a no to a yes If I decide not to continu…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:14 PM
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The male only draft is a patriarchal concept that believes the women need to stay behind and be protected to eventually repopulate the land. Because before modern, and even still, wars were where the men would go invade. Conquer and kill the men of towns, cities, and villages and take the women. Ie, the women were what men took in a lot of wars. Hence why men were seen as needing to protect "their" woman. Because the soldiers of the other kingdoms and tribes and empires etc would kill him, take …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 09:57 PM
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Yeah, I just hate the idea of a man thinking he "won me over" with game when his "game" was just dust in the wind and immaterial and sometimes simply just got in the way. I'd be like, "oh, let's go on a date" and then he would run and spit game and do or say things and act in a specific way to garner my attraction and I am like. In all of that time it took you to do that, we could have already started. To me though, I think men have to feel like they have seduced you... like when you pretend you…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 09:45 PM
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Exactly. If I like two men about equal and I saw one more than the other. Like a lot more. I'd definitely drop the guy i see less. Because what is even his purpose in my life? If we don't hangout or talk all that mich its like what? A friend? A pen pal? Not even... that. Just a guy who secretly likes it but chooses to spend his free time doing other stuff besides seeing me?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 09:42 PM
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Because most men have a dick. Most men are around the same level of physical attractiveness. The things that set a man apart from other men is their attitude, presence, characteristics, and how he carries himself. Just like almost all women have vaginas and tits. What sets a woman you want to get in a relationship with vs one you Don't want a relationship with if they are both equally attractive and both the same level of libido? One wants to see and hangout woth you somewhat regularly and tje o…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 09:39 PM
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So, what? I am supposed to choose the guy who acts like he may or may not like me vs the guy who is obviously into me?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 07:39 PM
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Yeah. If I don't know if someone likes me, why would i choose that person over the one who makes it obvious they like me
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 07:31 PM
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But that is her consistently being present for you. Which you enjoy. So, again you'd want someone doing X thing daily for you and becoming a daily fixture for you. We naturally emd up caring most about the people in our everyday vicinity vs the people we delegate to once a week or once a month. The more time I spend with a man, the more I care about him. If I only see him like once a month or every few weeks, he is not a man i take seriously as like a boyfriend. Because like I would hope I see m…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 06:26 PM
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Yeah, idk man. I am going to choose the man who chooses me.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 06:24 PM
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I know. I just find it odd, classifying it as a tactic. Its like classifying sex or child rearing as a tactic. Its just part of life and human connection
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 06:21 PM
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But... the aloof and standoffish woman is not there to have sex with you everyday...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 06:20 PM
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Yeah duh... him being there for her showed her who she should choose. If she is equally attracted to two guys, wouldn't she choose the giy who wants to hangout with her more often and is there for her more often?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 06:18 PM
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Is this a serious question? I want a man who is there for me. Because he is reliable and consistent and him showing up for me is proof I can trust him with the love I give him Why would i want to share my heart and soul with a man I can't rely on to not be fully present You know when you show a YouTube video or song you really like to someone in hopes they will also really love it and they act kind of passive and stop watching a quarter way through and change the subject? Why would i tjen share …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 06:15 PM
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My point is, that i want a man who is asking me questions about me because he genuinely wants to get to know me as a person vs just as a tactic to get sex or a relationship I guess if a woman pretends to desire you or care aboit you to get money or even a relationship it'd feel empty, fake, and hollow
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 06:11 PM
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I think my point is that I don't want a man to act like he is interested in who I am as a person as a tactic to get sex or something from me... i would hope he actually is asking me questions about myself because he genuinely wants to know who I am as a person
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 06:10 PM
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I agree. I guess imo, its just weird to see it as like a tactic versus just human connection. You know? Like if i saw asking a guy about his day as a tactic versus actually being curious and interested in him...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 04:50 PM
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How do you buuod rapport? And how is this different than just building a relationship and trust and getting to know each other?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 04:41 PM
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Yeah, I think mentally ill women. I am sure also as long as you aren't over doing it either Cuz I noticed a trend with red pill men to conflate and misinterpret concepts Ie a man realizes a simp is bad and gets him nowhere. So, he grows a backbone and is suddenly liked by women. But he calls this being an "asshole" cuz he isn't a pushover, people pleaser Sometimes yall see holding back self disclosure until the relationship is a little deeper as being mysterious simply because yall aren't over d…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 04:36 PM
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Ohh ok
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 04:29 PM
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Idk, I think its mental illness. I have ADHD and autism and my bff have OCD. It works on us but is super stressful and scary and anxiety inducing. You end up not being able to trust someone because they are shifting sand underneath your feet. And you are trying to get away from them to solid ground, but sand is really hard to run on. I think whenever I have been obsessed with a man, I end up having to detox from them and I end up resenting and hating them. Like when I feel myself getting g that …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 04:29 PM
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I think those are logical things. But as a woman, 90% of the time I have already decided what I want from the man. The dates, talking to them is just me finding if there is anything off that will dissuade me from going for what I am after. I think a strong frame works as long as it is also the frame I want. If i feel like our frames or goals with each other are misaligned, then I would reject the guy eventually. I also sometimes think men take their pace too slowly and I get very impatient. I do…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 04:25 PM
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What
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 04:09 PM
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Hmm, I guess when I have dated men, yes I want them not to have outbursts and be angry. But I also dislike stubborn and obstinate men as well. Because they get annoying. I also think if I end up feeling anxious about a man, ie obsessed. Then I end up trying to figure out where that anxiety comes from and then realize it's from the man. Because I have some obsessive tendencies, I am always wary of men who lack openness. Especially since I am open. And sometimes I feel like men are so closed off I…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 04:08 PM
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Can you describe what you mean by maintain frame and be mysterious? What does that look like and how has that made you more successful?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 04:01 PM
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Yeah, no. Most men don't wanna do that. You're only thinking of the really desperate men and not the average man. My point is fantasy is juat that. It is self contained and you can control the outcome. Real life, the other person controls the outcome and not you
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 04:00 PM
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Yeah, but there is some logic, most sane men wouldn't fuck a person with potential STDs or getting them pregnant etc
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 03:41 PM
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Ok, you don't, but clearly lots of men pay for and watch porn and fantasize ablut what is going on in the porn. It doesn't always mean those men want those fantasies irl
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 03:20 PM
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A lot of that is just fantasy. Yall look at OF and porn star women and fantasize about them, but most of yall wouldn't date or maybe even fuck them because the fantasy doesn't outweigh the reality
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 03:05 PM
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Yeah, but that doesn't mean condoms and birth control fail. I am still being asked, unless I get my tubes tied, to risk pregnancy. Amd the bulk of birth control also takes toll on my body and then lowers my libido as well
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:58 AM
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I still risk getting pregnant when I have sex whether I want kids or not.......
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:20 AM
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So, because it didn't happen to me, means it doesn't happen to the women in the comments? That makes no sense
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:26 PM
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Me none, but i knew friends who were full on abused by their fathers friends and sometimes their own father
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:22 PM
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It isn't though. Its not that common bit it definitely isn't rare. Older men started hitting on me when I was 12
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 09:59 PM
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I am not saying they need to be decisive everyday. But just in general, they know what they desire out of life and where they want to end up. It's abour dating a man who doesn't know what he wants vs a guy who does. It has nothing to do with a man being "aggressive" As most women would say "aggressive" is a negative trait.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 08:17 PM
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I think you're just misunderstanding what dominant vs aggressive means To most people an aggressive person fights, yells, punches walls and tries to fight people. Most people like dominant people or a better word, decisive. Ie knows what they want and attempts to go for it
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 08:01 PM
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This. They really don't understand the difference between having a spine and being an asshole. Being dominant and aggressive are also not the same thing They view not being a simp as being an asshole And think being aggressive is being dominant To me an aggressive man hits walls, squares up with people, tries to fight, and yells
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:39 PM
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Tattoos are ok. As i have them. They are adventurous if done without being like prison Tattoos. And dominant doesn't equal aggressive Like saying "let's go eat at X restaurant at 7:30. I will pick you up at 7" Is dominant Aggressive is "we are going to go to this restaurant. You need to be ready by 7 and you better wear something pretty"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:23 PM
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No its not? Like unknown, mildly adventurous is sexy. But an aggressive man makes me feel unsafe and not excited Its like a roller coaster. It feel dangerous but we know its actually safe. Ie adventurous Dangerous like actually Dangerous ie, aggression is not good and not attractive Its like sky diving vs going on a roller-coaster
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:17 PM
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Aggressive has such a negative connotation. I think decisive is better than Aggressive Most women don't like aggression as it signals "danger danger" to us We do like a man who knows what he wanrs and makes an effort or attempt to get it and who knkws his worth. Ie when to invest more or when to leave. But none of that is aggression
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:53 PM
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Just don't get her pregnant
/r/seduction24/07/26 06:45 PM
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Ok, but then now you're asking for all of the pressure to be on women. For the courting, sex and reproduction and child care. That isn't very fair. Men should put in some effort somewhere
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 04:54 PM
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But then like no man would be approached. Not cuz women don't find men attractive. But because we aren't thinking about sex and romance daily and seeking it out on a regular basis. Like I, and many women are open to romance or sex, but have a very low drive to go put of our way to seek it out. Loke if I am going to get groceries and I see a very handsome man, I may not approach tjem ciz I am not thinking abojt sex or relationships or dating. I am thinking about mayonnaise and wjere the beans are…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 04:30 PM
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The thing is you cannot get rid of the biological reality that I am the one risking pregnancy. Point blank. I cannot "rise above" that. Because I am the one risking that. Not the man. So, no. I will not "be better than my biology" if I cannot control the biological risks that may happen to me. That is kind of a crazy thing to expect women to do. To ignore the risk our bodies can take, and creating a whole new human, just to make it easier for men in the courting phase Men need to work a little h…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 04:22 PM
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I don't know. I don't care enough about flirting, getting sex, or getting into a relationship with a stranger enough to approach anyone. It will also still mean men who find me attractive will still approach me. And again, they are all still strangers so me asking a man out actually is more of an invitation for bad things to happen and for people to excuse it. Because I was the one who initiated. I also still have to vet them by going on a date etc. And there is still tje same chance they aren't…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 04:05 PM
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It shouldn't be. I think its weird if people, anyone purposely goes for such younger people repeatedly
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 03:42 PM

I think normal feminism helps everyone. Or intersectional feminism. I get really annoyed at any of my girl friends if they try to uphold masculinity in men or try to shame guys for not adhering to her personal viewpoint of masculinity At some point we will all be allowed to actually be who we are without designating superfluous things to a specific gender. Like certain colors, or activities, or what have you Feminism shluld be freedom from the gender/heternormative society while allowing straigh…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 01:19 PM

Yeah, and trans women may look and have all surges to be a woman. And women may not want to date bisexual men for their own very specific reasons. I don't necessarily agree with those, but my main point. Is that not being attracted to something doesn't mean you're against that
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 12:55 PM

I guess a similar argument is asking men if they would date trans women and then asking if they view being trans as a negative thing. Someone can decide not to want to daye someone without viewing them in a negative light. I can decide i don't wanna eat cheese but it doesn't mean I think cheese is bad in general or that other people should also stop eating cheese. Men also may not wanna date fat women, but also don't dislike ir view fat people negatively
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 12:05 PM
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I don't think all age gap relationships are bad. But if you constantly go for teenagers at the age of like 30 or 40, it is weird. For a man ir woman
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 12:01 PM
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Yes. So, the same exact amount of men would approach me as they do now, but now I would be expected to go out of my way and lut in effort I don't want to, to talk to a stranger I don't want to just cuz he may be handsome or something? Like no way. I wanna go home and ir keep doing the activities I am doing. Personally. Not approaching men doesn't hinder my ability to get approached plus it doesn't save me from those men being creeps. And it doesn't protect me from the men who will still approach…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 11:19 PM
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Also, if we put ourselves out there, we are seen as easy and they see us as a person that they don't have to put in any effort to get what they want. Ie, you end up doing all the pursuing planning dates and chasing the guy and he will never put in a lick of effort cuz you made it too easy for him. Men genuinely need to work a little bit for it or else they take it for granted
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 11:10 PM
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No, this is true. Some, quite a bit, men will say yes to whatever. Just cuz it came easily amd presented itself in their lap. And because of this, they never treat the person with respect or care because it hopped in their lap and gave the man exactly what he wanted without any effort on his end whatsoever. So, he treats you badly when you pursue him, since he puts in no effort. He A) says yes to easy sex or whatever and this doesn't mean he is attracted to you or likes you B) takes your effort …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 11:08 PM
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But men will still approach me as much as they do if I approach other men. Beaides. All of the men approaching, or the ones i approach, are all unknown variables, so they all have the same chance as being bad people, and me ending up as "prey" Edit: the second part is also not a benefit to me either. I do not go out on my daily life looking for men to ask out. Too much trouble for talking to a stranger who I don't really want to chat up, especially since he would probably expect to have sex vs a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 11:02 PM
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But that there lies the thing. Men will approach me. So, me approaching them does nothing for my dating life. I now have to put in more effort for the same risk, and even more now since there is the risk of rejection. That would mean in the concept of courting and mating, I am now doing the entire song and dance by myself. Might as well be single, cuz the man is not worth that if I get nothing
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 09:51 PM
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But approaching a man vs being approached by a man solves none of my dating issues. So, why would i start?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 07:31 PM
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Yes, but tje complaints aren't about getting dates. We get dates, it is the quality of the dates we may complain about. And us approaching the men instead wouldn't change the quality of those dates... because those men we approach are still an unknown variable until we know them and thus have every chance of being the same type of guy as the ones who approach us
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 07:30 PM
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Women and females in general put in the most risk and effort in the actual process of reproduction so, its only natural to want to be proven to by the men that they are worth that risk. And it is true. We need to be selective or else we might end up pregnant, dead, or fucked over with a kid we don't want/cannot take care of alone
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 07:21 PM
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This is exactly it. We as women bare (bear?) the brunt of risk and effort in reproduction itself. Hence why the men(and males of other species) put in the brunt of the courting effort. The labor males put in to get a woman to have his offspring is meant to show the female expending all the energy to reproduce with him is worth it. Of course as people things are a bit different but again, we deal with the vast majority of the reproductive risk hence why we desire someone to prove they are worth t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 07:19 PM

Oh, you know, everyone who says "choose better men" or "you should have chosen better" As women we are expected to be on the look out for red flags and keeping ourselves safe from manipulative men whereas men often see manipulation they endure from women as something entirely put onto the women even if he has a track record of choosing a specific type of woman, who ends up being manipulative
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:08 PM

Sure, I guess I am seeing the super obvious ones. But men tell me their experiences being manipulated snd its like... duh? How did you not see it? Men and women both get blinded by rose colored glasses sometimes, but if we women are expected to reduce our proximity to red flags, men should be able to do that too Men often see a hot lasy and are often willing to overlook the red flags because she is physically everything he wants then ends up hurt and everyone is like. Yeah, she is a known bitch,…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:43 PM

I mean, I think as women, its really easy for us to spot when women are using a man and the same is true in the reverse for men. Its like screamingly obvious from onlookers that yall are being lead on or used by a woman... So, at a certain point you have to figure out the signs ans take them and go accordingly. People. Men and women. Are manipulative. If its women's responsibility to be super detectives about men to avoid abuse or being played, then men have to do the same imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:33 PM
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Yes, a lot of guys just need to have a job and they think that them not being abusive or being nice is all they need to do. They end up doing the bare minimum in friendships, relationships and parenting and it circles back to them thinking its their job that is this huge sacrifice But they would have the job single or partnered up with someone and the vast majority of women also have jobs and we don't see it as a sacrifice we are soing/making for our husband/boyfriend
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 11:39 AM

So, as i said. Looks get you in the door. But we then keep you or reject you based on your personality. And men do the same
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 10:46 PM

It. Is. But i also desire an attractive partner. An attractive mean person, I wouldn't date. But an attractive nice guy? Absolutely Its really annoying when yall see us as wanting an attractive partner as us saying physical attraction is the most important thing. When the truth is, men maintl care about sex and looks way more in their potential partner
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 07:59 PM

Well, why is it bad that i want an attractive nice man. I shouldn't have to give men i don't find attractive wjen there are plenty of handsome nice men
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:13 PM
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This is true, but that doesn't mean being shamed by said person is fun or something we should always potentially have to deal with on dates cuz some dude is upsettie spaghetti we slept with "too many" men
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 12:22 AM
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It doesn't matter how you look at women. As a woman i have been shamed up and down for showing interest in men and having ex boyfriends or partners. Not that I hang around those people But some women only want to have sex with men they may end up getting married to. And thus acting like you'll be that guy for her, makes her feel violated and used because she would not have consented to the relationship or the sex if she knew it'd be temporary for him
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 08:26 PM
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I mean, i agree, i am just explaining why its still wasting time. Because some women also care about their body counts and only try to have sex with people they intend to get married to. So, for them it matters
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 08:25 PM
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Yeah, no. Says a lot of men. Guys will often pretend to be ok with you sleeping with a guy before them but end up getting retroactive jealousy and try competing with your ex
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 08:23 PM
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Unfortunately it lowers our value in dating because men see our youth and low body count as a plus. So, if we have our time wasted, men see us as used up and or bad people for not noticing that we were being lead on and having our time wasted
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 06:44 PM
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I would say that logic is more than just linear. And thats all men seem to see logic as Like they see computer science as logical and will see a predominantly female lead science like psychology seem like its all "emotional" even though it's a very logic based science
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 01:23 AM
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I think men and women, on average, often approach problems differently. Men tend to favor a more linear style of thinking. They identify the problem, find the most direct solution, and then carry it out. That approach can be very effective when the problem is straightforward, but it can sometimes overlook the larger context surrounding it. Women, on average, often think more systemically. Instead of focusing only on the immediate problem and its solution, they are more likely to consider how the…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 09:11 PM
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It shouldn't be illegal in my opinion. But finding it gross and shameful is also normal. Ie, cheating shouldn't be made illegal but people should be shamed for it
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:36 PM
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But its statistical evidence. Yes there is a wide gap, but you're really trying to devalue the idea that A) there aren't a lot of female murderers and B) potentially a sizeable amount of them are doing it in self defense Men still make up the vast majority of murderers
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:21 PM
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So, if you're about to be killed, or your child, would you not defend yourself as well? Even if that means pointing a gun and potentially ending that other person's life?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:20 PM
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Statistics show that self defense murders are fron 36% to 70% of the cases for murder amongst women. So, you're looking at at least 36% of female murderers are doing it in self defense
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:14 PM
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Because they know more about why its not tje best decision. They are seeking out teenagers due to them know being mentally fully developed and being naive and having no frame of reference for how a healthy relationship looks
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:11 PM
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But you're not factoring the huge chunk of the crimes being self defense. So, a lot less crime would be comitted by women if men weren't committing all that crime against us Ie, no need for deadly self defense if we didn't have to defend ourselves Also, statistically women are just better drivers. Amd yes, there is some bias against men because the stats show if a crime is happening its usually a man. Yeah, its a bias that means some women get away with some crime. But the truth is, the bias exi…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:03 PM
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But the stats that men still commit the most amount of violent crimes is still true if women get lighter sentences for the same crimes For another concept Women who get charged for killing their abuser in self defense face on average 15 years in prison whereas men who abuse their partner only get 2 to 6 years. And 91% of female prisons are women who have been abused/victims of DV. So, you'd have to factor in all of the DV victims who get sentenced for defending themselves from the abusers.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 04:54 PM
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This. When we offer our empathy a lot of times we are met with anger and frustration. It's really annoying
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 04:18 PM
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This exactly Men are more submissive than women and have less ability for leadership roles But because they have the physical strength, they assume they are the ones who should be in charge The "might gives me the right" This also bleeds into many cultures accross history. The idea that if you could conquer your neighbors then you were superior in all aspects. Hence why colonialism and slavery happened. Cultures that had better weapons (might) took over places who weren't expecting invaders and …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 03:59 PM
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Yeah, we all need to learn to be more communicative
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 11:49 AM
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I mean, I think there is a point where they can feel sorry for themselves Its like really wanting to be an Olympic athlete but you're asthmatic. Sure, you may be able to do it. Depending on its severity. But a lot of doors will be closed to you. I think the thing is that sometimes they can act aggressive towards women for wanting an attractive man... Because yes. Personality is the most important thing, but sometimes as women when we express a desire to be with a man we are attracted to and deci…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 11:16 PM
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I never said that... I said that if a man ir women 30 plus regularly chooses people to sleep or date with who are 18 to 23... is just weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 07:16 PM
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Look, yall can do what you want while its legal, but I, and all women... and men too. Understand where we were mentally back when we were 18 to 23 and see how crazy naive we used to be and how much we have grown and what we would not do now that what we did then. Lots of us feel grown at a certain age cuz that's the oldest we have ever been But that doesn't mean we won't continue growing. You're expecting a person in the first 25% of their life to fully understand and know what they sre getting …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 04:52 PM

Right like unless you're rich or a celebrity, it's likely not going to happen
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 04:45 PM
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Not necessarily. Imo anyone without friends is a red flag. And specifically close friendships I don't have a big circle but I have a deep relationship with all the people in my life
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 04:39 PM

Im bipolar and have pmdd. Sometimes I forget to eat. Imagine me forgetting to feed my children I also really dislike babies
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 04:24 PM
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Or just learn communication. Which both parties need to be able to navigate communicating their needs
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 04:10 PM
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Yeah, exactly. Because men would love to be approached by women. But no one really wants to be constantly expected to have polite small talk with strangers all the time And no, men should only approach women in appropriate settings vs everyday places. Like grocery stores, subways, parking lots. Its best to just do it in social places A lot of people are very fatalistic. They see women not wanting to be approached when in specific places and they go "ugh, ok. I guess I jjst won't ever approach an…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 03:48 PM
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Everyone feels this way. This ends up with people who would otherwise like each other end up mirroring or "matching each other's energy" He doesn't put in enough effort, so I am going to give him only what he gives me And then he goes, she isn't giving me any effort. I am only going to give her what she is giving me And that type of bs always ends in a stalemate
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 03:14 PM
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There's a difference between a man making the first move and constantly being talked to by strangers in your daily life. Imagine having to deal with constant bids of small talk that always end up with someone wanting something from you. I really don't think men would be happy with having to constantly entertain small talk with a slew of men all really wanting to fuck them
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 03:03 PM
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That we choose a small portion of men. There's a reason for that. Its not hypergamy, its just that why am I going to match with everyone then have like 100 conversations when 8 is Hinge's max and my personal max, before I get overwhelmed, is 3? We aren't matching with just a few men cuz of any specific hypergamy, its just that we can only deal with a few conversations at a time
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 12:09 PM
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Yeah, it's not new to women. As a feminist what i hear most about is emotionally incestuous relationships between "boy moms" and their sons Women are definitely capable of being psycho and crazy too. The issue is, that men do the vast majority of violent crimes Even in home abuse cases, women make up the majority of neglect cases but men still make up the majority of physical and sexual child crimes Women aren't perfect, but there is not really a system that excuses our bad behavior Just look at…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 01:33 AM

That's because this is the stuff we do for our female friends. We would absolutely dress up as whinnie the pooh ir whatever to cheer our girlfriends up. But men have a drastically different concept of what friends would do fir each other I have guy friends I plan bday parties for. Take them out and have fun without feeling like I wanna date them Women just tend to have friendships a lot closer than men do So sometimes a man thinks he is showing deep romantic love but its what our friends do for …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 11:30 PM

Because a lot of them do. They become friends with you to knowingly eventually try to convince you into a relationship or sex So, its covert. Its lying and its manipulation. It is only ok if the man actually wanted to be friends but feelings developed later on.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 11:26 PM
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Yes. So, they still see a value in women, its jist that that value is sex. Women who say men don't have value include that part as well
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 07:32 PM
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So, you're not lying about being broke. You're just pretending not to be rich
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 07:00 PM
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The women who complain about men's values have stopped dating men though. Men will complain about the value women offer and still pursue women
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 06:25 PM
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Yeah, so, you're rich. To most people tbh. I don't think you have to act broke because its just weird to bring up how broke you are. I personally wouldn't date anyone who schlemps. I would date a broke guy but not one who constantly has to announce it for some odd reason
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 05:50 PM
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Why not just pretend not to be rich vs lying about being broke?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 05:10 PM
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I don't think there are any lies a man should accept from me Personally any lie about who he is. Or any lie that he thinks he needs to say in order to convince me to give him a chance, date him, or have sex with him Because if I would reject him with the truth, then it is borderline evil to think he should be allowed to lie in order to get consent And same goes for a woman. If i may withholding information that may possibly cause a guy to reject me, then i owe him that information
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 05:04 PM
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Not really. Men are out there collecting trophy wives and bodies to impress other men. Men are way more guilty about it. Most women want to love their man and care less about how others perceive him as long as he isn't a loser and embarrassing her (like publicly flirting on other women in front of her friends)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 04:55 PM
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I think its unfair for men to have sex with women for men's benefit then claim they want authentic desire from women when their desire is non existent or not real for us. Why would i wanna deal with men who are pretending to like me cuz if I like him, men see him as cool?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 04:50 PM
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Yeah, but yall want to be wanted and desired by women and make a big deal about making sure the woman is actually attracted to you, yet a good chunk of you are fucking around with women and dating women for other men versus actually wanting or desiring or liking the woman Basically expecting us to show authentic desire for yall when yall are only having swx with us as a game/competition between each other as men vs real desire for us. So, why should we desire you, if sex to you is a game you pla…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 04:27 PM
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This is exactly it and the problem women have. Is sex with us is about proof to other men vs actually wanting us as women A lot of these guys don't like us or even care about sex with us cuz they enjoy it, but as a weird hierarchy thing for other men Like imagine if women slept with men who they don't and never liked or desired just to prove to other women they are better than other women and thus treated men like objects and trophies and didn't care about their pleasure or needs
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 03:11 PM
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Yeah, if a man has a commitment issue, I see it as a him thing. Not a deficiency in me. If he is out having constant casual sex and is never in a relationship I see as him being afraid of commitment and not worth losing sleep over. I don't see him as above me or anything. I see him as below emotional maturity or worthy of love since he actively avoids love. To me his detriment is his own Also, it's very telling if a man sees someone with serious commitment issues who is fucking a bunch of women …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 03:09 PM
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Yes, the amount of me making eye contact is seen as an invitation. Men wouldn't also want men constantly approaching them for banal small talk and chit chat that interrupts your errands and takes time out of your day
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 02:24 PM
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I don't think many people deny that physical attraction has a huge influence on how someone is initially perceived. The disagreement isn't whether looks matter. It's whether they're the only thing that matters. One thing I often hear from red pill men is that women would throw away their morals or standards to sleep with a man if he were attractive enough. Ironically, that's a stereotype that describes male sexuality far more often than female sexuality. A man's appearance doesn't tell me whethe…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 02:19 PM
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But women are attracted to most men. Its just that we are not constantly on the hunt for sex like men are. And just cuz a man i am attracted to asks me out or asks me for sex doesn't mean I want sex or to date at that time frame. I have rejected very attractive men just cuz I low key just wanna be left alone. A man being super attractive doesn't automatically make us horny, since horniness is a little more mental and psychological for us women Whereas for men its mainly physical. I have to be tu…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 02:08 PM
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They want us to admit something that isn't true Men are, as they say, more visual. So, they just find every woman they see out and about as attractive or attractive enough But we have to have some further information to see if the guy is attractive I don't pay attention to men out in public, because they will take mere eye contact as an invitation But when I people watch, I find most men attractive enough and would be fine giving most of them a chance if I was in the mood for being talked to/ask…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 02:05 PM
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I mean, hinge makes it only so I can have like 8 open conversations. And even 8 conversations I have to keep up with is insane and overwhelming. Why wouldn't I on dating apps be selective. Since its really annoying and I can only talk to so many people at once? I am not going to match with everyone then have to pay money to talk to them. So, I am going to match with 3 guys only at a time because that is all I can mentally handle talking to at once vs matching with a ton of guys and ghosting a fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 01:55 PM
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It can also end in a restraining order and not marriage. It works very rarely. Usually the woman will get passed off and annoyed after her no was ignored
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 01:49 PM
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Yeah, as i said, the women who would give them a chance would be worse off for it
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 12:03 PM
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Well, everyone you go on a date with, would or could be a potential boyfriend unless you're dating for casual sex...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 11:36 PM

Sure, but they also found and got the person to agree to a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 08:43 PM
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Because I tried something and realized I didn't like it You can consensually try something and dislike it........
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 08:31 PM

Aren't the people who are successful the ones you want advice from? Yeah, they may have some dated ideas but generally understand better how to be in a relationship better than perpetually single people
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 08:28 PM
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OK. Then good for you
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 08:27 PM
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Yeah, but just leaving someone cuz they didn't articulate to you everything correctly is an issue in it of itself. Like give people a chance. Life happens and not everyone reacts perfectly to it
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 08:08 PM
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Yeah, I agree but. But no one is perfect and sometimes shit just hits hard and wr don't always have the emotional capacity to message everyone in our lives that we are not available at the moment Like I get if you're simply busy, yeah, text them that you're distant cuz of that, but not everyone when going through an emotional thing is always able to think on the logistics of "hey, I need to make sure the people in my life know that my mom just died so they don't leave me cuz I am being distant"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:56 PM
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Yeah, so we need to put out early for you, but not have a lot of experience... that makes 0 sense
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:53 PM
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Because once I was a virgin. I had no idea what I liked or didn't like. So, I tried a bunch of stuff. Found out what I like and don't like. Why would I do something with you I have tried in the past and know I hate it? And why as a good partner would you expect me to do it for you, knowing I tried it and don't like it?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:17 PM
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Not necessarily, unless they present being anorexic looking as a standard that is normal. Which, being unhealthy amd underweight or having surgery isn't average or normal. So, if you expect people to hurt their health or get under a knife to be attractive then that is your attraction having a negative effect on others. If what is found attractive is not found in nature readily, then you cannot say its normal to be attracted to that nor healthy to oush out to women and girls as a "standard"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:04 PM
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No, I have had known many unattractive women tejected and laughed at by men and even outright bullied for having the audacity to think anyone could want them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:02 PM
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Its also known that being single is way easier than being in a relationship and cheaper especially if you're keen on not wanting kids
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:52 PM
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Yes, and the women in media are often stick skinny bordeline dead and ir have plastic surgery and expect all women to conform to being 25 forever and slim thick. To the point beauty products are sold at such high rates And anorexia being such a huge issue for girls and women. Being the deadliest mental health disorder and disproportionately affecting girls and women
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:39 PM
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No one does though? Women understand why a hot woman is liked by men. If women react it is towards the woman as jealousy vs anger towards the man
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:33 PM
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Yeah, we are absolutely expected to live our entire life and save parts of ourselves for a potential future husband. So, I have to forgo enjoying my dating life to its fullest extent so you can be my first of many things while I am not your first for anything whatsoever. What a joy... lmaoooo
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:22 PM
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But what if they are distant because a family member died or something? They aren't "leavimg" the relationship. They're just distant. And usually for a reason
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:21 PM
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I am a woman. And as I just said I talked to the men who have distanced themselves and it turned out they were dealing with problems I helped them out with We have to deal with yall and your bs problems all the time too. Yall aren't the only ones "being there" for your partner/s
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:16 PM
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So, basically don't double check with your partner to see if they are ok? Cuz like thats the main point of having a bf/gf is having someone who will "be there for you" If you're unwilling to be there for someone possibly having a rough time then you should be ok with them not being there for you when you're down on your luck/having issues
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:15 PM
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No. Its be everything the man desires and do everything he desires and give him everything he desires while also making sure you don't live life without your future husband on your mind As women, we are expected to live a life our future husband wouldn't feel bad about. Ie, we can't have sex with the men we may want, cuz our future husband may disagree with that Can't try sexual things with anyone cuz our future husband may expect us to do that with him, even if we didn't like that We have to be…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:13 PM
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Then who is gonna give them the chance?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 04:08 PM
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Absolutely, I have sometimes pulled away cuz the man has. Or because things changed on his end. I usually try to eventually bring it up, but once I notice things have shifted, I mirror it just cuz thats the natural response
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 04:07 PM
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Sure. You could also talk to people. It has saved many relationships of mine. Cuz people were going through mental health issues, family drama, work drama and all sorts of things and me reaching out and talking to them about it, actually relieved some of their stress and made me someone they could rely on. Or, they had a problem they were a little nervous to talk about and prodding them helped them open up and we ended up resolving the problems I would say always communicate first and if nothing…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 04:05 PM
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This. They sre so insecure that you'll leave them they end up basically trying to emotionally manipulate you into staying to the point it ends up pushing you away They often try and tear down your self esteem to "knock you off your pedestal" Ie they try and drag you down to their level vs being good enough to be at your level
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 04:02 PM
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Well, yeah, cuz if I am not goong to get benefits from giving a guy i don't like a chance, why would I? Edit: in fact, if I give the guy a chance and I emd up the worse for wear, then I will be slut shamed for it. I will be blamed for anything bad that happens between us. And I will also have to you know deal with all the societal shame men put on us to not be sluts. And if we give all the below average guys a chance then we'd have hella body counts through the roof So, we'd be giving up our abi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 03:55 PM
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Copy and pasted from another comment Well, as many guys here state, if we don't put out soon enough or do the sex acts they desire they don't want us. We are also unlovable if we are past our "prime" of 25 or 30 years old. If we aren't able to split the bills 50/50 or don't cook or clean or have and raise kids... if we don't take care of our bodies. If we have any sort of past that has some relationship or sexual mistakes we have made... Men don't love us unless we are their ideal perfect sexual…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 03:53 PM
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Well, as many guys here state, if we don't put out soon enough or do the sex acts they desire they don't want us. We are also unlovable if we are past our "prime" of 25 or 30 years old. If we aren't able to split the bills 50/50 or don't cook or clean or have and raise kids... if we don't take care of our bodies. If we have any sort of past that has some relationship or sexual mistakes we have made... Men don't love us unless we are their ideal perfect sexual partner who has done nothing untowar…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 03:53 PM
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I think a lot of women learn this lesson the hard way when we're young. Some men tell us, either directly or indirectly, that if we're sexually available enough, adventurous enough, or willing to sacrifice our own comfort, we'll earn love and commitment. For many of us, that simply isn't true. We do everything they ask, and they still cheat, leave, or treat us badly. I'm sure men experience something similar. A guy might bend over backwards for a woman, spend all his time and money on her, do ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 03:49 PM
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Men absolutely do not love women just as is either... please.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 01:04 PM
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No. I am saying that men are allowed to reject and or not go for women they don't find attractive but women are shamed for it
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 01:00 PM
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2, and 3. Whimpering. Expressing genuine pleasure
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 02:02 AM
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I see cute guys all the time. But to really feel a desire for them I have to see how they carry themselves. How they talk, act and exist
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 12:42 AM
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As a woman this is really sweet Men often have a hard time understanding we are sexual beings too and that it is ok
/r/seduction16/07/26 10:36 PM
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Well, yes. Cuz men won't deal with or talk to women they don't want to have sex with and will outright reject them too. Because men are allowed to not want to give a chance to women they don't want to have sex with and that's seen as normal
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 10:31 PM
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That isn't what I am talking about Im not talking about whether what men or women find as attractive is shamed or not But the fact that men wanting a partner they find as attractive is seen as the norm But we women are shamed if we express desire to have a partner we find attractive We are always told we are shallow if we reject a man cuz we don't find him attractive and its seen as a moral failing if we won't give a man we aren't attracted to a chance
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 09:27 PM
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Ok, then you better do everything for her on the dame exact timeline you did for every woman. Because if you gave another woman a relationship early then you now have to do that for all women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 08:11 PM
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No. People genuinely get disgruntled when a woman desires to have an attractive partner. Whereas a man wanting someone he wants to have sex with is considered very normal We are often expected to look past a man's looks and consider him as a dating prospect even if we can't see ourselves having sex with them
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 08:07 PM
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No, it should be considered normal to want an attractive partner I am not talking about if what we find attractive is or isn't normal I can want a hot meal, but depending on what type of hot meal I like, some people may disagree with me. Ie if I want a plate of escargo, or a plate of beans, or a really fancy fish dish. I am allowed to desire a hot meal, but again, what I desire may be debatable
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 08:00 PM
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Yes. My point is. You wanting someone you find attractive is considered normal. But when women reject someone cuz they're not attracted to them she is seen as shallow or "only caring about looks" When we express a desire for a partner we find physically attractive people jump down our throats
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 07:55 PM
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This. This is the first real generation to ask women what we find sexually attractive. In the past, it just did not matter what we liked
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 07:13 PM
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Those are both surveys and both studies that can be used together or independently of each other, depending on what the hypothesis is.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 07:12 PM
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Yeah, because there is a legitimate tabooness there. Just like someone may be shamed for having a foot fetish. Is it legal. Yeah. But not everyone agrees with it. Its a debatable thing But as I said men are allowed to wand a woman they find attractive (not arguing about what they find attractive is or isn't shamed) But women are told we are shallow for desiring a partner who we find attractive Yall say you want an attractive partner and no one cares... but maybe what you find attractive may rais…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 07:09 PM
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Hormones fluctuate??? Every period, I crave chocolate so I know its coming. Yours fluctuate too but on a 24 hour cycle versus 28 day cycle like womens I am not sure how to explain to you basic human biology. That when hormones change, we change. But we are usually the same each month. I always crave chocolate on my periods. But I don't crave chocolate everyday of my cycle except for that time of my cycle <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:45 PM
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A survey is a type of research study. I graduated in a STEM field, by the way. I also think you're misunderstanding how scientific studies work. Researchers don't start with a conclusion and try to prove it. They formulate a hypothesis and then design a study that attempts to falsify or disprove it. If the evidence consistently fails to disprove the hypothesis, it gains support, but it is never considered absolutely proven. A simple example: imagine a child wonders whether most children like cho…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:41 PM
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Exactly. They want their current partner to conform to them rather than just ending it Like if a man hated lingering me, I'd break up with him vs expecting him to constantly do it. Especially if he refuses to do it
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:30 PM
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Im not sure you knew what I was saying. I love vegetables. Im vegan. Its just on my period, the smell annoys me. And I crave chocolate on my period Not that I love chocolate like a crazy lady my other regular days
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:29 PM
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Yeah, cuz my hormones change a lot. Its also like being on birth control also changes us hormonally Its almost like there's a scientific reason why we crave chocolate on our periods or why pregnant women crave certain foods 😲
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:27 PM
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That's almost like what a study is. It is called a survey. We also have wildly different hormones than men, so studying how that plays a role is also vital. Because I know what I like but my cycle changes things about me. Why do I hate broccoli near my period but crave chocolate? Lots of interesting things out there
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:16 PM
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I mean, they can view you as a jerk if they want. If you're wanting sex earpy on and they think that's asshole behavior then that's their opinion. Of you don't feel like an asshole fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:03 PM
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Oh, the old argument of "this person in this group said X" and another person in the same group says Y... so, therefore the whole group are liars/contradictory. I think the men who talk like you approach dating as a one size should fit all. And don't understand whay that doesn't usually work
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:46 PM
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Or just don't date people you're sexually incompatible with
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:44 PM
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My point is men will say sex is meaningless when it benefits them, but also say its the most important thing/proof of love when it benefits them It can't be super unimportant but also important
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:30 PM
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I think you don't get what I am saying A man may get shamed on what he finds attractive but he isn't shamed for wanting someone he finds attractive A woman is shamed for wanting someone the find attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:29 PM
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Right... like if i hated a guy in particular. I wouldn't date him just to not do a specific sex act I enjoy to spite them. Like there's already an orgasm gap for us. If we enjoy something... we are absolutely gonna keep doing it
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:28 PM
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Exactly... OP was probably starting to pressure her or question why she hasn't started doing X, y, and z with him
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 03:55 PM
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OK, then don't date that woman. Yall have autonomy too. Instead of getting mad at a eoman for not doing things on your timeline, find someone with the same timeline as you
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 03:54 PM
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Exactly this. I think men absolutely don't realize how much judgement they hold Like OP is judging her. He is judging her for what she will or won't do. And that just makes us feel icky Maybe she was going to give OP a blow job then he started nagging her about it and so, she instantly lost the desire to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 03:53 PM
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Idk, the minute I feel caged in, judged, or pressured my libido falls to the floor. I need to feel free and happy and if my own time to be able to explore myself sexually with a new man. And if he is ever at all making it seem like I ought to do something because I did it in the past, that takes something I may have been getting ready to do, to something I absolutely do not wanna do Its like you're about to go do the dishes then your mom comes in and starts railing on you about how you never do …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 03:52 PM
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But sex is something yall says is meaningless or the most meaningful thing depending on what yall want from a woman If its casual and she wants a relationship you will say "its just sex. Its not a big deal" But then within a relationship yall will say "you need to do sex this way and this often because its proof of your love!!!" Its like sex isn't proof of love to us. Cuz yall will use it being "just sex" to convince a woman to keep it casual even if she wants a relationship But then expect us t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 03:48 PM
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But a man is not shamed for wanting an attractive partner. But women are shamed if we reject men if we don't find them attractive A man wanting an attractive partner is seen as normal, but bad and shallow if a woman wants an attractive partner
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 03:18 PM
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Men commit the most sexual and physical abuse against children and women commit the most neglect
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 02:52 AM
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Well, if he treats civilians as he does strippers, what else would he be? Cuz he doesn't care about any of those women thus they get literally notbing from him. So, what else would you call it? Because he is not going after those women cuz he is attracted to any of them, but because he sees them as a means to sex. The only solution to get someone like that out of our dating pool is for him to cut to the chase and pay for sex. He only wants sex and won't give us women what we want. Therefore he s…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 01:18 AM
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My main point Is we don't know who the guy is and why he is failing at attracting women. Without that information all of our advice can't be anytbing but generic Yall need personal advice tailored to your own life
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 01:16 AM
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This is actually really solid. I believe this too. Most of us are speaking about what we would want a man to do. Unless its advice about someone we are close with, ie, I know what would make my BFF really happy, besides that, we are talking about what we want and assume its similar for other people I think when we stick to the core ideas of what people want psychologically, we can then figure out how to make the individual feel like they are getting that Ie, everyone wants to feel desired. Its j…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:38 AM
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Exactly! We give vague advice to strangers, but its still good advice. You should be comfortable with who you are and have basic hygiene. I can't say anything beyond that because I don't knlw the specific situation
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:34 AM
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I hate when men tell me I don't know what I want. I do. It is juat different than what becky and Sarah want. And Becky and Sarah want something different than me as well as Josie and Morgan
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:32 AM
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I mean, we do care about looks. Its just not our driving force. Men also don't give unattractive women a chance. And men call us shallow for doing the same
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 10:10 PM
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Because men are constantly parroting this now. I heard it from my elders and now I hear it from my male peers
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 07:37 PM
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You said its rare. But the whole point OP is making is specifically talking about these men. And they are not as rare as you think. You're not bashing OF women or scantily clad women, so this isn't about you
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 07:19 PM
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So, I believe the animal farming industry is barbaric. I go out and explain to people how harmful it is. And i also criticize the people who work in slaughterhouses Would i not be a raging hypocrite if I bought meat from those places? They are only there because I and everyone keeps buying from them And the workers are usually underpaid and low key just need the money and are selling their own bodies for profit as well So, if I shame them for making the meat, then I buy and eat that meat, then w…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 07:12 PM
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A russian spy... do you think she has much of a choice? Do you think perhaps tje government may idk, harm her if she doesn't do this stuff. And its now seen as yet another thing women are expected to do and labor for their partners with nothing in return. A relationship isn't just women serving men. Nor should it be about a man serving only the woman Yall have this warped view of a woman's job in a relationship She should give and give and give and all the man does for her is have a job. Somethi…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 07:08 PM
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As many people have said. For every bonny blue there are one thousand men One woman, got 1,000 men to fuck her. In like a really short period of time. Do you also want the statistics about the ratio of OF performers to the amount of men who consume the content? Its similar... Way more men consume porn than women who star or make more. Like way more Prostitution and porn wouldn't exist without the people who pay for it. Which is mainly men Edit: its also fine to be outraged at people who are unhe…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 07:04 PM
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So, you're still supporting a company you disagree with? And no one is saying you have to date amazon employees But if you go around calling amazon employees horrible people yet are the only reason they exist, then you're a hypocrite
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 07:01 PM
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I don't think you understanding what I am saying Men wanting an attractive partner who is open and available and willing to have sex is seen as very normal A woman having the standard or desire to also be in a partnership with a man she finds as attractive is seen as hypergamy or something bad. A woman rejecting men she doesn't find attractive and going after men she does find attractive is seen as negative No one sees men liking hot women as bad (And we are not talking about men approaching wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 07:00 PM
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Yup, the manosphere dictates the problem is women dating men we are attracted to and yet never ever says anything about men who lust after and or are attracted to hot women
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 06:54 PM
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Yup! I know men like this. They watch porn have sex. But are also really good friends because they are also friends with women and don't expect sex and are also really ok with their female friends dressing scantily clad without expecting sex from them. They are totally okay with women having sexual autonomy because they as men also enjoy having the same autonomy. And thus are ok with watching OF and porn and being ok with the women who produce that stuff and also beimg ok with women who are dres…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 04:52 PM
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Its a selling point for men for the exact opposite of what you think. I am hot. Conventionally so and when I don't like a man but he won't leave me alone I pretend to have all sorts of red flags and they keep pressing and keep going for it My ex is in prison "oh, that's ok, he doesn't need to know about us" I have 3 baby daddies, but don't worry, all the kids have been adopted out. - oh, well that is ok. We can still see each other And the list goes on and on and on
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 03:14 PM
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But those women swore off dating. Lmao I don't think you're getting it. If a man initiated with a nun, she would reject him The point of 4B is to abstain from men. Its like veganism but with men instead of the meat industry Its a boycott
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 03:12 PM

Ok. Well, maybe you cannot get sex. But tons of women and men with less shame and more options are fine going out and having tons of sex. The vas majority of high libido women again, are not in between relationships without at least one or two men they have on rotation and same with men
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 03:10 PM
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Seems like you only have access to your POV and are deciding not to listen to our POV. So, since you refuse to acknowledge this is my reality, this conversation is over. No matter how much you try to explain to me my reality is false, it doesn't actually change what I experience
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 03:09 PM
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Some people need that. Just like some people like the structure of a religion, some people need the structure of a philosophy
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 03:07 PM
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Yes. Hence why you should only sleep with hookers you paid You're actually doing a good thing Because you don't care about the individual woman. You only care about the sex and getting sex So, its actually best that you're not approaching women you don't like, pretending you like them, to just give them selfish sub par sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 03:06 PM

It is very rare. Most people with a high libido aren't sitting alone at home without having sex in between relationships Unless this person has only had long term relationships then what you say may be true But the vast majority of high libido men and wlmen have higher body counts
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 03:05 PM
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Yall really just live life unaware of the harassment and belittlement women perceived as sluts go through?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 03:04 PM
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If you're not talking to men or going on dates, how will a prince show up? These women are opting out of finding a woman Think of it as almost becoming a nun, but without the religion
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 03:02 PM
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No one's has ever said looks don't matter for women Yall are taking us saying "personality matters the most" to mean we don't care about looks I have been on dates with the HOTTEST men and they don't tip or are rude to wait staff. And I lose my attraction for them And sometimes men i am on the fence with, end up having great chemistry with me and are genuinely good and interesting people and my attraction for them goes way up Looks are influential and important but never the selling point it is …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 03:01 PM
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I don't think people are understanding the point I'm making. There is a difference between a man approaching a woman because he genuinely finds her attractive and wants to get to know her, versus a man whose only goal is to find the easiest possible path to sex. Some men who are primarily looking for casual sex don't actually pursue the women they find most attractive. Instead, they make assumptions about which women they believe will be the easiest to sleep with. They may deliberately target wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:59 PM
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We care most about personality. But looks still matter And we had to say this because men constantly say women only care about looks or how hot a man is. Hence the formation of the concept of chads. Yes, a man who is attractive will have more opportunity with us, but that doesn't mean we don't factor in anything else Men are rhe ones who will sleep with a hot womam even though she has major red flags Women, we take his personality into account as well as our own safety Because we wanna make sure…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:52 PM
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Oh, yes because you and I both represent all men and women You're the type of man I am talking about yet you think I represent all women Please learn to seperate an individual from the entire geoup. Youre the type of guy who cares most about sex thus seek the easiest women most available and willing to have sex vs women you find attractive. Hence why you're doing a favor by buying sex from hookers. Because you want sex and aren't factoring anything else about the woman except for if she will put…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:47 PM

This! If she did something like that in the past then nope, he doesn't wanna try it! But if she tried anal with an ex, ooh now its his turn! They always view sex and relationships with women as "it is my turn now" And its really sexist and rapey
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:40 PM
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You'd be surprised how many men still slut shame women and shame women for sleeping with them
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:39 PM
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Sure, but they shouldn't he complaining. They can swipe left on the women they don't like. It won't hurt them. Instead they lash out and are mean or cruel to those women when they can just ignore them
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:38 PM
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Idk, I think men and women who wanna stop dating each other should
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:35 PM
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No... I mean these guys only want sex. Their only goal is sex. And they never care about us or our pleasure They are seeking sex and not us as women. They are desiring sex and not us Its like a man being horny, then going out to find the easiest woman vs the woman he finds most attractive Verus a man that I make horny. I am the source of his horniness and I make him want to have sex I don't like talking to the men who approached me cuz they want sex vs wanting sex with me
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:34 PM
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Not true! I love a man on his knees. 🤤 At least sexually, its nice when a man shows a bunch of desire and really really wants me and becomes submissive to me to get it :) But in a relationship and in general I prefer more equal things
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:32 PM
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He is
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:30 PM
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No. I wanna see who i am talking to. Physical attraction is important on deciding if I give a person a chance
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:29 PM
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4B are women who do not interact with men unless absolutely necessary No male friendships. No sex And no dating They only talk to men in family and work But they are actually not waiting for a prince charming because they swore off men entirely So, they wouldn't be waiting for a prince charming cuz they quit dating
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:28 PM
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Well, yeah, but irl they avoid men. And even in online sphere they just talk to women. They're not going to male spaces and complaining to men
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:27 PM
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That's good. As long as you pay them enough to deal with you then yall are taking yourselves out from the vicinity on civilian women who now don't have to be harassed by yall
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:26 PM

Exactly. And they want her to break her rules for him and him alone. They wanna be so attractive to her that she just has lots of crazy kinky sex despite having 0 experience. I also find it hilarious when red pill men talk about dry bedrooms Like you're hyper sexual and married a woman with a body count of 3 people at the age of 30. Of course yalls libidos are wildly mismatched Like don't complain about yojr partner having a low libido when that's who you purposefully chose cuz she had fewer bod…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:25 PM
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I think the point is, they look at half naked women all the time. So, they shouldn't be able to pick and choose when to be offended by it Maybe at the very least we should be able to call them hypocrites If you're looking at OF, weird vorderline pornographic video games, etc etc and then get mad at a woman in your vicinity for dressing "slutty" then you're a hypocrite. You regularly consume what you give people shit for Its like me saying Amazon sucks then regularly buying from Amazon
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:23 PM
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Men are only shamed when they announce their preferences when no one asks. Its ok to not want a fat woman. But if you're on ig on a fat woman's account telling her no man wants her then yeah its weird. Even if you tell me, a skinny chick that you would never date a fat chick its weird Men and women should keep their preferences more or less private unless asked. Amd you should frame it as who you'd like versus who you'd never date. But its also just weird to tell a group of women you only date b…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:19 PM
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No, everything you said is a mirror flip of reality. Men are encouraged to seduce and pick up women. And women are encouraged not to talk to men or flirt of have sex and are shamed if we reject men based on their looks
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:16 PM
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Absolutely! We get shamed if we reject a man based on if we find him physically attractive. I told a male friend that my female friend rejected a guy vuz she just couldn't find him attractive and he made it out to seem lkke she was a bitch. I am sure men are called shallow, but they are still Absolutely seen as in their right to reject women or to nkt approach women they find unattractive
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:15 PM
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Yeah, and I feel bad for the men who don't get the human/emotional connection
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:22 AM
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Not really. Men are just attracted to having sex. They definitely don't find most women attractive. Just good enough for sex and that's not actually being attracted to someone
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:14 AM
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I agree. It was definitely older women telling us to be nice to the poor nice little boys who also deserve a chance. But it was also men and as we get older that idea still permeates That men always deserve a chance with us just for being... nice... That because we exist and they do too, to be nice to them, we should give them a chance. And it is really an annoying concept that we are shamed for not wanting to give people a chance to have access to our most vulnerable parts of ourselves just cuz…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:43 AM
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Its not "hos" its women men perceive to be easy. Sometimes men want sex and are on the hunt for the easiest women vs the most attractive woman. They end up in bed with women theyre not really attracted to just cuz she was easier An actual hoe is a woman who is extremely attractive and knows it and uses it to get men to give her things she wants in exchange, usually for a sexual relationship or even a romantic one, all the while not actually being attracted to him or liking him or loving him and …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:30 AM

Right???
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:28 AM
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Yeah, so I guess men and women both should stop complaining about how awful they have it in dating if they keep continually choosing said people they complain about?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:28 AM
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But nor do women. We do like attractive men, but unlike men, it's not the main factor when choosing to be in a relationship Its the first thing we see, but not enough to make us want a relationship or even have sex. Men are primarily driven to choose women for our looks. But women, yes let men get their foot in the door by his looks, but he isn't just allowed access to us like men allow for women
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:27 AM
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But I haven't hooked up with active pieces of shit. I could say tje same thing about men. They complain about hos but I see tons of men hooking up with women who end up hurting them But I understand a lot of the hot women men choose are great and wonderful women. And sometimes though, there are women who manipulate those men And some men don't learn just like some women don't learn Men also seek hot women and ignore the red flags and end up divorced living in a shoebox while his wife has the 1 m…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:16 AM

Right. I love me some men who act sexy and are actively trying to be seductive and actually dress according to what we find attractive vs what they find masculine
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:14 AM

Yeah, cuz he is actively trying to seduce women
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:13 AM

Like god forbid he dresses sexy for the female gaze. Cuz it works for him in this movie He is seductive and he is masculine <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:12 AM

No, I hate birth control. Tried it once. And i am not talking ablut feminine men Too bad I can only post one photo. But, while I prefer his hair in the 3rd movie. I find this outfit of his extremely sexy. And he isn't feminine at all <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:11 AM
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I said some men. But these men specifically want sex and get frustrated at women for not just giving it up. They aren't actually interested in us or even attracted to us. They just are attracted to the concept of having sex with a vagina. Ie they seek sex first and foremost and see attraction to us as women as secondary and see our ease of giving up sex as the most important factor over our attractiveness. So, sometimes men become friends with a woman to get sex and when she is like "no, we are …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:07 AM
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Yeah, a lot of people assume that good looking men who get chosen are always assholes and all the men women reject are the noce guys
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:04 AM

Testosterone boosts energy and lust. It also produces a better ability to gain muscles. So, I don't know why so many high energy muscular men with high libidos wouldn't wanna show off what they got to the people who find those things attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:03 AM

Oh, god. Noooo I love seductive men. Men who are sexy are peak. The most attractive men i know are men who try to be sexy and try to be seductive. They dress nice. They wear clothes for the female gaze. Aren't afraid of wearing jewelry or sometomes even some eye makeup and nail polish. They allow themselves to be sexualized. But some men are afraid of being considered gay by embracing their seductiveness and sexiness because only women and gay men are seen as able to be seductive and or sexy If …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:58 PM
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I think some men just desire sex. They don't desire or are attracted to some of us women. Thus wjen we treat them in the way we desire to be treated, they see it as us being cruel because we are denying the one thing they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:54 PM
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I would hope so! In my days, and I am a millennial. We were absolutely shunned if we rejected boys who weren't conventionally attractive. And we were shamed for accepting tje advances of traditionally hadsome boys and seen as sluts or "asking for it" etc. We were taight to reject hot boys and only date the unattractive but "nice boys" all at tje expense of ourselves. Cuz a boy being unattractive or hot did not determine if he was nice or kind anyway Cuz why shouldn't I be able to reject men with…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:52 PM
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No, it is seen as shallow. When a woman expresses she wants to date a man she also finds attractive she is called shallow. And if she rejects a man for being to unattractive to her, she is seen as shallow and often ridiculed or shamed for this cuz "he may have been a nice guy"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:49 PM
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Sex work would exist without women, cuz men do it, and the majority of male sex work buyers would still be men
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:48 PM
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Exactly! They would never even think abkut talking to or dating a woman they didn't want to have sex with!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:47 PM
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When did i say that? Yeah, if your girl makes comments about how other men are treating their partners then id take it as the same thing as a man calling other women attractive If your female partner is expressing all the amazing and wonderful things all these other men are doing for their girlfriend then that would be way more proof that she would leave you than her simply finding another guy attractive A woman seeing ither men doing things for their partners may make her question her relations…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:45 PM
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Men, family members, our peers, and elders. If we reject a man for being not attractive we are and have been called shallow by our peers and elders. Because the shy boy who is annoying may be nice and even though we have 0 attraction for him, because he asked us out nicely we should say yes to "be nice" And a lot of girls have experienced this that wjen we reject that guy we are shamed and bullied for it cuz "wow. How could you be so cruel. He's a really nice guy you know" So then the next time …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:41 PM
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Girls get that but worse. That's just friendly teasing. Girls get ostracized from groups or crowds for expressing desire for boys and even interacting with them on that level. We are also seen as sluts if we entertain those boys advances. Meaning one boy likes us, we like him. We date him maybe kiss him. And now all tje other boys think we are easy and now they feel like we are obligated to give all of them a chance and kisses and dates. "You dated and entertained Bobby. So, its my turn now cuz …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:37 PM
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OK? But when and where and why are you doing that? Just announcing you don't like fat women is weird. Or even saying you like skinny women is weird But watching TV and going "wow. Megan fox is hot" is like super normal. You also, finding hot chicks hot in porn or calenders or online is seen as super duper normal and ok I think the problem with announcing what your preferences are is that they should be private (And id say this to women to) If you find bob hot but he has brown eyes. No need to te…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:31 PM
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Yeah, but sometimes men aren't picky because what they actually desire is sex. Sometimes men will sleep with a woman just cuz she was easy and willing to put out vs actually desiring her. Which sucks for the woman. Men tend to be horny, and then seek women who seem easy in order to cure the horniness When women want to be the woman who makes that man horny vs being the thing that scratches his itch. And to us, we want a man we can desire and do desire. Where a man doesn't need to desire a woman …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:24 PM
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Im not talking about your sexuality. Your lust is demonized sure. But you finding a hot woman attractive is seen as normal. You wanting to date a hot woman is seen as normal But when women show attraction to hot as fuck men, we are demonized for it. Said to be shallow A man is allowed and encouraged to want an attractive life partner but women are told we are shallow if we include "looks hot" in our standards. You're allowed to want to date a woman cuz she is hot and will put out for you regular…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:20 PM
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But sex work wouldn't exist without men nor would the industrial prison system. Nor would large scale war where men and boys are used as cannon fodder for bullshit and petty arguments between world leaders. We are one species. But men have been treating women like a seperate species since the beginning of civilization.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:18 PM
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How? I think your lust is demonized. But not your attraction for hot women. You finding hot women hot is seen as normal. But if you gooned at women all day then yeah, your lust would come into question
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:15 PM
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Can you give an example of a man going to hit on a hot woman where woman judged him (While he was being respectful and doing it in an appropriate place)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:14 PM
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A lot of women simply desire a man who is genuinely good at showing his desire for us without being rapey or pushy. It's just this is such a mystery for so many men they go online and learn it. But because they learned it via reading amd bad practices it always comes off as inauthentic to the women they try it on. And to a certain point it is A man will often practice on women just to practice vs actually be genuinely attracted to us. Sometimes men are just seeking sex. And will do the hole song…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:13 PM
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Yeah, but the average man does just fine. Statistically the same amount of men and women aren't dating. It's just men don't have friends or family they can rely on as much as women. Because the modern social media obsessed culture is what ruined social interaction. Most men are not virgins and most men have had long term relationships. So, it is actually that only a small % of men are seen as drastically undesired or undateable
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:06 PM
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Height is just an internet obsession. Like how women are freaking out about incels making fun of women for having hip dips Its just really rare but when ylu get the craziest, they are so obsessed with it And most women don't need rich or high status men. Just men in good or neutral standing and not broke.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:03 PM
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Yeah. Cuz those attractive men often have those qualities? You're assuming hot men can't be good and fun people. Attraction matters. We women have never denied that. But it isn't the number one factor to our deciding if we date a man, unlike how it is for men. For men physical attraction and willingness to put out are the most important factors in determining if he dates a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:01 PM
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This isn't exactly what I meant but I'll address this after the copy and pasted segment This is a copied and pasted response to another person I think what I mean, is in terms of dating a man is allowed to follow his sexual desire and attraction but if a woman does, she is seen as shallow. Men usually do not approach women they don't find attractive or don't want to have sex with, but as women if we reject men who we don't see ourselves wanting to have sex with we are judged as shallow. And told…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:59 PM
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I think it's perfectly reasonable to give someone a chance if you genuinely see potential, but sometimes that idea gets taken too far. Women are often encouraged to overlook major dealbreakers because we're told to focus on a man's potential instead of who he is today. "He's 35, broke, and living with his parents? He's building a business. He could be the next Bill Gates." "You're not physically attracted to him? Give him a chance anyway. Maybe he'll be nice." We're expected to ignore our own st…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:45 PM
2

Mwn have never been victims by women for being men They have been victims of being men by other men. Namely war, slavery, forced labor and generally making men do unsafe labor in order to keep the elites hands clean
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:33 PM
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When do you get shamed? Wjen you find a woman attractive are you called shallow for it? Wjen you decide to go for a woman cuz she is really attractive are you told you're mean to ignore the other women who you don't find attractive because "they might be nice"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:32 PM
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Well, girls are absolutely mocked for the things we liked as teenagers. Even as girls, anything we like is seen as a plague to boys and men. And we are treated accordingly Lots of women i talked to went through the same phase I did. Where we become tomboys and shun femininity to fit in with the boys so we can feel accepted only to later realize there is nothing shameful about being a girl and liking girly things. And tbh, I liked both "boy" and "girl" things whereas boys were still unable to fre…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:28 PM
3

Yup, this is how they expect us to be. But if we are actually follow what we want and desire they find a reason to make it morally wrong for not only us but them and society
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:24 PM
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This is a copied and pasted response to another person I think what I mean, is in terms of dating a man is allowed to follow his sexual desire and attraction but if a woman does, she is seen as shallow. Men usually do not approach women they don't find attractive or don't want to have sex with, but as women if we reject men who we don't see ourselves wanting to have sex with we are judged as shallow. And told things like "he might be nice" We are expected to give men we don't find attractive a c…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:24 PM
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I think what I mean, is in terms of dating a man is allowed to follow his sexual desire and attraction but if a woman does, she is seen as shallow. Men usually do not approach women they don't find attractive or don't want to have sex with, but as women if we reject men who we don't see ourselves wanting to have sex with we are judged as shallow. And told things like "he might be nice" We are expected to give men we don't find attractive a chance to build the attraction if he is potentially nice…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:23 PM
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OK? I'm not disagreeing. I am saying that for those who maliciously accuse someone of committing a crime they did not commit should be punished for it. I don't think its wrong to mistakenly accuse someone of paternity fraud, but if they maliciously do it, they deserve punishment for it
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:38 PM
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So, what alive would you give that isn't "go out and meet people or else you won't meet people" Because that is what we are saying more or less. If you're choosing isolated or personal hobbies like the gym or video games, you'll have a hard time meeting other people. And how can ither advice matter if you aren't even meeting women?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:17 PM
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An abusive person may want to discredit their partner or ex partner. And decide it needs to be stated out loud he thinks his partner cheated and or comitted paternity fraud. Most people who are removed a few degrees from those people do not care about truth but more so about the drama itself and will take sides regardless of any truth that comes out and people will and do often dismiss the evidence in front of their eyes
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:15 PM
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Yeah, but if there is a hefty punishment for paternity fraud. Men will use it as a false accusation Just like women use rape as a false accusation Abusive people don't care about the reality as long as they can convince everyone their victims I the bad one
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:13 PM
1

So, your solution is...?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:12 PM
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But paternity fraud is easily dealt with by taking a DNA test. Same as accusing someone of paternity fraud. Both are done via a simple DNA test. But being accused of a crime you did not commit isn't just a matter of doing a simple test. Your reputation may get ruined. Rumors may spread no matter what the DNA test says. And this would be especially true for high status women
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:05 PM
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But being accused of cheating or comitting paternity fraud can damage your reputation and ruin aspects of your life. So, you should have the ability to fight back against men who will accuse women of comitting paternity fraud out of malice or punishment against her
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:03 PM
2

Then you have no room to complain... man or woman, holed up in their home won't find love or friendship
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:00 PM
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Yeaj, bit a lot of these "lonely" men are talking only about sex. A good chunk if them don't care about human connection or love. They just care about sex
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:58 PM
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Yes because love and attraction are tied together Men typically seek only women they find attractive in order to then form a romantic relationship with Ie if you're considered an unattractive woman, men will not see you as an option worthy of love or even respect Men seek romantic partners on the basis of her looks and willingness to provide sex for him And thus, if the first thing is missing (his attraction for a woman) then this women will never be considered for love A man is driven to pursue…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 06:01 PM
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Yeah, and we are taught our entire self worth comes from if we are attractive to men. Men seek partners primarily based on a woman's looks. Hence why some women end up feeling scared at 25 + because we are told if we are older than 25 we aren't attractive thus not worthy of love because our looks is what men care about most Our looks/sex/ability and willingness to jave sex is the primary cause for men to seek love or romance. Hence if we are undesired for sex, we are undesired for love At least …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 05:59 PM
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What? Explaining that people are susceptible to tje psychological effects that happen when the prescribed gender roles we are pushed onto us Men face their own psychological issues with dealing with the gender roles and their self worth and women face their own issues too.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 05:56 PM
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So. If a man has a ho phase in his past or idk, made regretful decisions i should treat him like that version of himself. What if he was 18 years old and cheated on his partner but grew and learned from that experience. I guess I should treat him like he is always a bad guy/cheater. Or if a man got broken up with and slept with a bunch of women really fast but regretted it. Should I treat him like a player/fuckboi for forever even if he regrets it? Are we to hold all people to their pasts and tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 04:55 PM
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No. You said the exact opposite <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 04:51 PM
3

I am just giving a reason as to what women feel. Even if we feel happy alone, its still this overwhelming fear that the only thing we ate valued for in society is slipping away. Men and the patriarchy have made it a point to make women feel like their youth and beauty is their only contribution to society and thus if that ends then we as women are worthless Its not an overnight fix. We cannot just undo this wiring that was done to us
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 04:50 PM
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The majority of professionals in those spheres aka nannies and maids are mostly women. And id assume at home chefs might be a mixed bag. But if you hire a person to cook and clean for you, its probably a woman you'd be hiring
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 03:32 PM
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Because women are constantly told we expire. Wjen we turn 30 we have been told "you're no longer worth love" It is often ingrained in us since we are little that us aging is bad. So, its a natural reaction to people being told 30 years old is the end of our lives basically
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 03:26 PM
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They need to be the victim. As you said if she is dating him, it's because she has settled. But if she is not dating him then her standards are too high. It is why getting in a relationship with men like this isn't worth it. Because they will punish you for being with them because they assume we are settling and thus often have to humble us ot bring us down a notch of knock us off the pedestal they put us on. And it become basically an emotionally abusive relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 03:25 PM
2

Maybe he should choose better women
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 03:42 AM
1

Ok, fair enough
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 12:00 AM
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Ok, fair enough. Would you ever have asked her for a similar favor?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 10:07 PM
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My point is I will get attention grumpy or dressed up. I get the same amount of attention no matter what I wear. So, its not the clothes
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 10:06 PM
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Wait, so someone you were seeing... you told her "I only do this for people close to me" and basically let her know she was not close to you nor did you want her to be or was this just some random woman? Because if i was dating a man and asked for a favor and he said "I only do that for people I care about" or whatever and thus did not do that favor for me, I'd assume I wasn't close to him. Like if my friend said "can you help me move" and I said "no. I only help friends and family move or someo…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 06:38 PM
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I missed that part. But she can still go to the club in a revealing outfit and do everything she did before as long as she doesn't indulge in the attention then
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 04:31 PM
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Ok! I am sure in boy world high body count men are sacred, but they sre the worst at sex. The worst lovers, short and long term. Not good friends and bad romantic partners. So, yall are literally praising men who can't have sex with a woman twice so he has to keep sleeping with new ones. Its like a kid who can't beat a video game and just keeps buying new ones and lo and behold, can't beat those either
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 04:25 PM
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Not shutting it down is different than just her getting attention from men. If you said "she entertains and doesn't shut down flirting from other men" vs "she gets flirted on by other men" then you'd have a leg to stand on
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 04:23 PM

So, basically men and women should ignore each other and go their separate ways? Because if we don't or can't understand each other, there is no point in engaging with one another?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 11:57 AM
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I am wearing what I always wear. I wear frumpy clothes and still get hit on cuz men will hit on whatever is in front of them. They even sometimes fuck dead corpses and animals and fuck fruit and soap. So, my clothes have very little to do with their lust
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 03:19 AM
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So, basically you're not wanting romance with women too much, and basically really only want someone for sex and to hangout with but not really bond on a deep level
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:47 AM
1

Exactly! Worst sexual partners ever! As i said they can get but they don't have the skills to keep!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:46 AM
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You too. If you think most people dress like hookers
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 11:44 PM
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I mean, I thought we were friends. We hung out talked. I helped them with theor life problems and vice versa. But they never meant it, they just were looking for an in, so they were using my emotional labor to get sex from me
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 10:26 PM
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Yes, because you get companionship if the friendship is mutual You can have moochy friends regardless of genders I definitely have had male friends who literally see me as an opportunity for sex and nothing else, and end up cutting them off
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 10:19 PM
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Yeah... and the majority of women who aren't hookers don't dress like that
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 10:18 PM
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Yeah, and there are men out there who's everything you just listed is all about getting women. They are boring and annoying people. Because everything they do is about womem and performative and insincere. And outside of living their whole life for women, they have no life
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 10:13 PM
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Ok, and I am just adding on what I think beyond that. I would surmise men need male friends to have someone to relate to for themselves and female friends so they understand women outside of sex
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 10:03 PM
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Yes, which is why people should have female and male friends Imo, a man with no male friends or female friends is a little bit of a red flag unless they're just generally introverted
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 10:01 PM
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Then why would you want a relationship with a woman? Or even to hangout with one? If you're married, she is going to be who you spend the majority of your non work time... like I would hate to be with a man who'd rather hang with his friends than me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 10:00 PM
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Yeah, clothes aren't an invitation. A smile, a nod, beckoning of a finger all may be. But simply wearing certain clothes means nothing
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 09:58 PM
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To you, a man. For me, a woman looking for a long term partner someone with 0 relationships and 100 plus bodies is an absolute turn off versus a man with like 3 long term relationships and maybe like 5 or 6 bodies. The only purpose of a man with 100 plus bodies is to grow old, and die a "bachelor" they are a waste of emotional space and conversation As they literally have nothing to offer women except for sex and its usually sub par since they can't keep women around
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 09:00 PM
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Cuz like women who get men, they are sluts Men who only care about women and live their ENTIRE lives around women. You think men who get lots of pussy are cool But as a woman they are boring. Annoying. Sex obsessed. And they are only good for us when we are ovulating and we can use them like they are using us. Otherwise as people, they are not guys we see as long term worthy. If a man has multiple women at once and his whole identity is about women, he is a freaking looooser Like all men who hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 08:56 PM
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Ok, and men who are way too focused on getting women are boring men
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 08:47 PM
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We absolutely do care. If you have no life outside of women, you're categorically a loser
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 08:34 PM
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Ok, and men who make getting women their sole life are and will always make the most boring long term partners as they have nothing in common with women and no life to share with the woman, as once he has a girlfriend he gives up his only hobby and replaces it woth his girlfriend but that's super overwhelming for her cuz now she is the center of the guys life and that's annoying.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 07:58 PM
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Idk, I am just saying if your only hobby is seduction or pick up artistry, you become boring to women for long term relationships. Because your literal only hobby is something we can't participate with you and also, a hobby you give up once you're in an exclusive relationship... meaning when you're in the relationship there's literally nothing to you but you going to work and sex. Because that is how you built your entire life. You end up having nothing in common with women who have more going o…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 07:56 PM
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Yeah, and youre entire life will be about getting women for sex. And so you have no other hobbies or things that when looking for love, makes you compatible woth women. Like if in your free time you're doing notning but trying to get with women, you're boring to women for long term cuz when you're exclusive with a woman, you lose literally your only hobby and now have nothing interesting to you. The most boring men are the guys who are sex hounds pounding the pavement constantly Cuz the only thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 07:53 PM
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I am just saying. Men's whose whole live revolves around sex and getting sex and women sre boring people. Because they literally have nothing else going on
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 07:42 PM
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Yeah, I am sure yall do. But I am talking to the men who care about love and aren't just sex obsessed
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 07:11 PM
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Sure. It works to get laid. Because those women want casual sex, so him being boring works or is immaterial. But 🙄 relationship wise he seems super boring and only good for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 07:00 PM
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Idk, to me a man who makes his entire life about dating is super boring. No hobbies... nothing to talk about. No shared or mutual interests. Like what am I supposed to do with a man who's only hobby is talking to women?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 06:57 PM
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It really doesn't matter. Men should understand clothing =/= an invitation
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 06:12 PM
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No it isn't? Some people just like those type of clothes, have always worn them and always will. If nothing changed within the relationship then its not a red flag. If she was conservatively dressed then dressed skimpy once she was in a relationship, that'd be a red flag.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 05:52 PM
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I have an issue with a man giving sexual attention to others if he is dating me. Liking a pic to a friend sure ok. But repeatedly liking bikini photos or only selfies??? That's a major red flag. And is not akin to me posting selfie or a beach photo of me. Because I am not inviting men to flirt with me, but my man would be actively flirting woth others which is inherently bad
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 05:51 PM
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I don't think so? Because I go on beach vacations with my family and post those pictures. In no way shape and form does that mean I am asking men to talk to me. Just like me being at the beach in the same bikini doesn't mean I am inviting men to try and flirt with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 05:27 PM
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Yeah, which is what happens in the majority of the cases. We women can ot stop men from thirsting over us. But men can control themselves from thirsting over us Its not comparable. Even if a woman is trying to dress sexy for men who aren't her problem, that's her still not approaching a man. Is it ok? No. But a man approaching a woman while having a gf is worse
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 05:23 PM

Yup, all the guys who swear they just wanna be friends with you who end up mad you're only friends with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 05:15 PM
2

I think men are being honest to the point they become rude and insensitive. People think honesty is all good. When it isn't. And also, how you present the honesty also matters For instance a woman has spinach on her tooth "Hey. Just FYI, you got something right there" I say quietly to her so she knows Vs "omg! Ewww! You have spinach in your teeth" I say loudly to the whole group. Both are honest. But one is a shitty person being "honest" Its also the same vibe as when men say "im just joking" wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 05:13 PM
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It still isn't the same thing. If I am dressed up to go meet my boyfriend on a date and I get hit on, how is that the same as him waiting for me to arrive and him hitting on another woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 05:08 PM
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Yeah, well, if my boyfriend flirts with a woman at a beach while I am there. Its worse than if we are at a beach and I am flirted on. Regardless if we are in a bikini or not Besides your husband shouldn't be liking other women's bikini outfits but those women should be allowed to wear those bikinis and post their outfits because your husband should be able to control his lust. Those women are not responsible for his actions and decisions based on his lust You have no control over if a man approa…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 05:08 PM
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Exactly. I have to dress and be a certain and constantly conscious of how I present myself because of men's lust that I cannot control... it forgives men while makimg me responsible and bad for them flirting with me
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 05:06 PM
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This just shows that men are the more jealous ones The examples you give are women being jealous because a man deliberately showed sexual attention or desire or intention unto another woman The example you gave for the reverse, is men get jealous when their partner just is out and about and getting flirted on. Ie, the concept that she is rejecting those men hasn't even crossed his mind. He is jealous of the possibility of men flirting with her (which she can't control) this is an idea in his hea…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 04:40 PM
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This is exactly it The woman is not doing the action. But men are doing the looking at her, which she has every right to decline. I cannot help it if a man comes up to me and flirts with me. I can however shut it down Comparing another person's actions upon me to actions someone does themselves is crazy... A man can decide not to flirt with other women I cannot stop a man from approaching me or control his advances. I can only reject them It is annoying to decide that I cannot have freedom becau…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 04:31 PM
2

So, you don't ask people you're in a relationship with or dating about their likes and interests and why they like the things they like and why they are the way they are because you lack confidence?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 04:27 PM
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Lack of genuine care of getting to know who we are. I feel like sometimes when seriously dating men, they only get to know you as deeply as one of their friends... which is to say, it ends up feeling like you're just friends with benefits vs a romantic partner
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 04:20 PM
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That isn't what we are talking about. We are talking about some men's lack of curiosity about us. They don't ask us what we think and why we think the way we do. They lack a care to get to know us as full beings. They have a consistent amount of sex, spend time together where no deep conversations are had and they tell us they love us even though they only know us superficially It's demoralizing as a woman and that isn't a lack of confidence but a lack of care from the man's side to understand u…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 04:14 PM
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I feel this. And they will try to say they love me, and I am like... you don't even know me
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 12:11 PM
8

You sell your bodies. To the military and mines. You, like most people, have a price tag
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 12:04 PM
2

Think venting is fine and so is complaining but there are ways to go about it and ways to not
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 12:01 PM
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Its not that we are sensing the resentment. It's that these men are very bitter and express it Imagine you're on a date with a woman and all she can talk about is all her bad experiences with men and how much she thinks men need to behave better or lower their standards and that even though no one sticks around, its clearly all of the men's fault and not hers... would you feel comfortable staying around to see where that goes? I have been on dates where men use the dates to grandstand about thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 03:43 AM
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I think its cuz the men who have trouble, are usually the same type of man. They would cheat or if not, would make awful partners. Its just they can't hide it due to not being able to fake it. The men who are successful are those same type of men but are able to fake it Hence why so many red pill men and incels are ok and actually seek out manipulation tactics through red pill advice, PUA and seduction communities They are just as bad of people, but they just can't fake the "good" personality li…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 03:39 AM
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Most women work and most women don't want a man to be the full provider
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:02 PM
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Yeah, and your male friends don't treat you like they would a woman they are dating Just like my female friends don't treat me like the men they date. So, my really good female friends may actually be horrible to their partners and the same is true with you
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 09:58 PM
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If 1 or 2 people don't like you, its a coincidence/life if 10, 11, 12, 13 people don't like you, it's you
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 09:38 PM
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Maybe you keep choosing bad partners or the way you get into relationships establishes a shitry baseline and dynamic
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 07:18 PM
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Yeah, but this one was done in bad taste. Just cuz its the truth doesn't make it good or palatable You can tell me you have a foot fetish. I can accept you're being honest but I don't have to like the truth It being true =/= it being ok or good
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 07:08 PM
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Yeah, being direct is fine. Good even. But making an ultimatum alwaaays sucks. I agree, be open and honest and direct. The thing is, sometimes the trash takes themselves out He could have said it in a better way "I am just looking for casual sex, so if we are going to go on a few dates I do want to let you know my intentions upfront" Also, if he is serious about dating and expects sex on the 1st to 3rd dates without teust he is... likely going to be disgusting to the women he dates. Sex is on ou…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 05:04 PM
1

Yeah. See being direct is good. Ultimatum are bad
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 04:34 PM
2

You're still threatening someone with a removal and or action if they don't do what you're proposing
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 04:33 PM
3

Yeah, and giving an ultimatum is a shitty way to ask for something, because you're expressing something bad or negative will happen if the other person doesn't comply
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:04 PM
3

I wish I could ask the same thing about how men view women so negatively as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 12:10 PM
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I absolutely agree. Red pill and PUA and seduction ideas are all ablut getting a woman to like you... but then nothing afterwards. There's no topics about how to have healthy discourse, speak your mind without being accusatory. How to develop systems and dynamics that work for both of you. How to respect each ither when you're upset at each other etc etc
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 12:09 PM
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Lots of men i date are covert. They cannot ask for anything directly thus use covert seduction and PUA tactics. They also often cannot tell people when they want something to end therefore quiet quit instead of being direct and thus the other person gets so fed up they leave They fear beimg the "bad guy" so much they even refuse to bring up problems in the relationship until it reaches a breaking point Men are no angels when it comes to direct communication either
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 12:06 PM
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The voice note thing; he was giving her an ultimatum and not asking for consent. Also, consent shouldn't be asked so far in advanced. Because what if she wanted sex then, then during the date lost her feelings, now she revoked consent and he gets upset. Telling a woman "have sex with me on my terms or else we aren't seeing each other again" is just being an asshole and not asking for consent. He was absolutely stating an ultimatum
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 12:03 PM

They aren't. Hot men are hot. I just don't want a man who is broke.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:50 AM
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Maybe I am interpreting this wrong? But just cuz others do cruelty does not justify ours <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 08:59 PM
1

The "others do bad, so I can too"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 08:55 PM
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That mentality is exactly why we have cruelty. I can steal, cuz others are too.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 08:36 PM
0

So, why isn't the same in the US, if adding more men who are above average to the US, wouldn't that displace the men currently there? Youre adding a ton of men to a country who sre above average to those men and expecting it to benefit those nations?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 07:27 PM
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You're telling people people should be ok with passport bros because to you, it is ethical and beneficial
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 07:11 PM
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So when you go in droves to foreign countries all the poorer average men now become what you were to women in the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 07:11 PM
7

So, you're basically ok with men being incels as long as they are poorer than you?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 07:04 PM
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Just do it. No one has to agree with you. Same thing as veganism. It is statistically better way better for our environment but nobody is going to agree with giving up meat for like, ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:59 PM
1

What about the men in those countries? Do they then have to go to even poorer countries?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:58 PM
2

I know, even though they are the ones trying to kill incles... like whaaat
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 05:22 PM
3

So, just kill men who are incels
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 04:24 PM
3

I am not saying that. I am expressing that everyone gets shit on for being single. But, women have historically and still now, to this day face the majority of that backlash. We are blamed for men being lonely, the low birth rate. Heck China has declared women who are past 27 or something as "leftovers" if they aren't married Like we are literally seen as leftovers in the eyes of our government Also, for wrongful death suits in Florida, if we are older the 25 and single and have no children, we …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:46 PM
2

If men are made to kill and be killed, then the best way they should be is without feelings... it makes no sense to have full human beings who's sole purpose is to die and kill... Might as well just use robots and the like to protect us so men don't have to risk their lives in war etc. This thought process sees men as cannon fodder And by the same logic if men are cannon fodder to protect the women, then they aren't meant to be leaders. They are meant to follow orders and keep the order Thus the…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:40 PM
2

Yeah, they are called incels when they complain about it and make getting women their entire life's focus just like women are called femcels and pick mes
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:38 PM
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Exactly. They see hot and beautiful women as the default and any average woman is "mid" and therefore looked down upon. If men consider Margot Robbie mid then imagine all the actual average women they ignore
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:54 PM
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I mean, its allowed obviously, but so are single men. But they are called bachelors. Women are said to have "hit the wall" and be undateable after loke 30. We are called leftovers told we are worthless blah blah blah. Whereas men are called bachelors and said its cool and normal
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:52 PM
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And men don't understand the emotional labor it takes to deal with their emotions as well. Like their fragile egos and anger. As well as having to over communicate due to the man's upbringing since no one talk him how to regulate their own emotions properly and how to help others with their own emotions A lot of men are emotionally stunted and have lower emotional intelligence due to their upbringing Thus, women tend to also do the bulk of emotional labor in relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 12:02 PM
0

So, maybe she was republican too? They exist
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 11:57 AM
8

This... It is a lot of red pill men telling us how awful and horrible being single is for them... hence why we assume it's bad to be single as a man now. Because men are telling us its the worst thing that's happened to them
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 11:56 AM
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Yeah... no, society calls unwed men bachelors and they call women spinsters. Society is now just allowing women to be single and it being ok
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 11:49 AM
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The danger men face is from other men. And when women go outside they risk being hurt by the men who are strangers but also by their date
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:20 AM
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And... we are talking about in dating. Where women are more victimized. Men don't usually risk their safety to go on a date when women definitely do
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:02 AM
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No, cuz you responded to me I don't care about what someone else is saying Its not like they said something so pressing i just now have to chastise them. If they responded to me, I would have mentioned their anecdotal evidence isn't proof
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 01:19 AM
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That's a comment of someone saying they don't ask how much a man makes? Are you saying that because I never saw that and thus never responded I am being hypocritical for calling you out on using your anecdotal evidence as proof
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 12:31 AM
1

Where? What reaction? Women are having sex with men they don't like or find attractive just to have sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 12:10 AM
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That is you
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 11:54 PM
1

Not really. I only kinda look at IG. And I don't really watch a lot of dating stuff. I watch things I enjoy
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 07:42 PM

How? The type of posts aren't even the same. One is about loneliness and one is about books...... So, there is 0 proof its about gender and more about the context
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 06:16 PM

Yeah, I wouldn't be able to onow someone's post about books is actually a cry for help tbh. Especially through text
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 05:44 PM

Well, I am sorry about that, but being vague will guarantee nobody will actually respond to your covert and hidden needs At least if you are direct yeah, some people, maybe even most people will tell you to deal with it, but you also increase the chances of someone actually listening to you. So, there's that
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 05:07 PM

No... if you want direct results say what you actually mean. People can't read minds. If i tell people I am hungry, it means that. If I tell a person I like pizza with no context. There's no reason for them to assume I am hungry You gotta speak up for what you actually need/want or else its entirely your fault for not getting it
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 04:59 PM

Yeah, so not directly saying what you need is how you won't get it "I like books. Any recommendations?" No one on earth will think "oh, that's a classic call for company, lemme help them" If you say "i like bugs. What's your favorite" on no possible realm can I assume you're talking about or needing anything beyond what you have asked for, which is my favorite bug...
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 04:44 PM

Yeah, I guarantee we women just gets DMs full of dic pics and men who wanna get nudes
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:43 PM

This, like what does books have to do with loneliness...?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:42 PM

And 99% of the time its from men looking to hookup or get nudes
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:31 PM
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Yeah, and men who are single are called bachelors and women are called spinsters. Men are allowed to be single in society and not be seen as bad for it
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:22 PM
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Loads of things. I am ADHD so, I have a tendency to steam roll conversations. Sometimes I speak over people because if I don't say everything then I will forget Sometimes I get suspicious of people for no reason So, I learned to temper how I speak and I also learned to just talk to people about the Insecurities
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:12 PM
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I am sorry, but the term "bachelor" has been used to praise men who are single and live alone like bachelor pad. Etc. It has been traditionally seen as cool and good to be a man who doesn't end up in a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:13 PM
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I see it in men, because I date them But I am specifically talking about incels and red pill men, they tend to be more selfish about love, swx, and relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:10 PM
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Im not saying its wrong. I am just saying men typically only care about the getting, but then often fail at the keeping. Which through trial and error they may be able to figure out.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:09 PM
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Yeah, so a man's entire concept is getting a relationship and a woman's is being "in" the relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:24 AM
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My point as, you should want to be with someone cuz you have love to give and want to love someone. You should only get a dog, because you want to give them a nice and loving home and in return they give you theirs. You do it from a place of a desire to take care of and give love to someone else Some people only desire being wanted or liked or loved and end up being bat ahit crazy about it. They end up manipulating people and being people pleasers etc. And the thing is, they never end up loving …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:21 AM
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Not really. It just means "you're not part of this in group, so you just don't get it" In my opinion, its dismissive at worst. It just means you're unaware of my personal experience because you're not part of the demographic that this happens to. There is no implying the other person has a false consciousness. Like where am I saying "you have a false consciousness" when I say "oh, men just say they wanna be objectified cuz they are men" When what i really mean is "men don't actually understand w…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:32 AM
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Saying that a large number of people are resorting to X and then wording your entire post with a negative view on it. You're not going out beating people with sticks, but you are at large saying that a normal way people speak is negative And I do agree with your sentiment about it, bit I disagree about making a post about it. Because its ridiculously pedantic Because anyone with a brain understands someone when they use "bulverism" But I also disagree with the idea that someone using bulverism m…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:29 AM
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I am not underestimating anyone I am only saying this is not a high brow debate hall. People have to start somewhere and where their interests peak Instead of shaming people, we could try and understand them Because the example you gave is honestly really easily understood if someone says it Just like a hyperbole. It isn't their fault you can't think beyond the literal and exact definition of their words People are gonna be people. They sre gonna speak like people. And giving them some leeway al…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:08 AM
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But they aren't assuming you have a false consciousness. They are simply just expressing you don't have their niche perspective thus you can't understand where they are coming from. Me asserting a man cannot understand period pain isn't me assuming or asserting he lacks a consciousness. I simply just mean the words that came out of my mouth. I understand he has a vast array of things and experiences i don't understand. And expressing that in a layman way isn't always necessarily bad or in a mali…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:04 AM
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I am not saying i disagree with the sentiment that that type of argumentation is the correct way or good way. I am only pointing out that shaming people for not being super debtors vs employing simple logical understanding is beneficial Its like someone saying a hyperbole in a debate. Is it correct debating? No. Obviously not. But most people use hyperboles from time time Especially when conveying more emotional things Going to make a post how incorrect this is and citing a source about what its…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:59 AM
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Ok? And you utilize this sub differently than me then. And that is ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:53 AM
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Why? Why can't people who don't know how to debate be afraid to learn? I would say jump in into the deep end. We can teach you. As long as they are nice and polite, I am not gonna throw a thesaurus or dictionary at their head while they sre drowning This isn't a graded or officiated debate space. Perfect place for people to learn
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:35 AM
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Yeah, but this is a laymans debate forum. Where people who sre average are seeking to debate with the average man and or woman on the red or blue pill side I don't wanna just debate people who are highly educated. And then on top of that, those highly educated in debate. I want to actually figure out what the average person thinks. And they don't always debate the "correct way" but with some questions and poking around, you're able to comprehend what they actually mean And I don't want someone w…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:33 AM
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I am saying that this line of thinking disregards people less... maybe the better word is educated. They may be intelligent Or maybe they are mentally handicapped in someway Most people are not smart enough for high level debates and making up isms for the way normal people speaks means less regular people in these spaces. Which is necessary Gatekeeping spaces from people who are less educated or not educated the same or enough to understand how to articulate themselves in a way people with PHDs…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:29 AM
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Unfortunately that is true. Their concern isn't a healthy relationship. Its about using women to feed their own ego and to fix their problems. They overstep us, go to the manosphere and ask them about why we aren't choosing them. These sort of men want sex, girlfriends, wives and families not because they genuinely want to love someone, but because they want to be loved/liked/desired I think they can only enter in dating by having love they want to give and deciding that's why they want dating V…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:12 AM
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I think you lost the plot Speaking in laymans terms cuz you don't know the technical speak, doesn't mean what's actually being said is invalid When a man tells me "you're saying that cuz you're a woman" to me saying something invalidating to his lived experience is him telling me simply "you haven't lived my experience" But he doesn't know how to formulate that into a better worded and thought out argument. You're expecting us to only side with and discuss and have discourse with people intellec…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:10 AM
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Or, I am a well rounded individual who learns things that I am physically capable of doing because it's necessary for a comfortable life and so does my partner... regardless of gender or sex... Cuz god forbid one of us dies and now the other person is literally unable to continue on.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:21 AM
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What are examples of things you have shared with women who end up sticking around
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:19 AM
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So, men should become the primary caregiver givers to end up not being the primary caregiver? How do we know his mom or sisters are good? What about the mom's mom and sisters Like my dad has the worst mom. And my mom's mom is amazing. She also has a sister. Why not my mom then? Do only men have moms and sisters?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:17 AM
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There are channels like this, but it is typically not watched by men but way more often for women So, OP is wrong. Those channels do just fine with viewership, just more likely to be watched by women. Women tend to watch couple stuff and love and romance advice and on how to be healthy and keep your standards Whereas a good chunk of these men wanna watch "seduction: how to speed run to get her to say yes with minimal effort" "Seduction: how to get lots of women fast and with 0 effort" "Seduction…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:15 AM
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I understand the premise. But it ignores the subtext of what a human mind is saying when they say that The psychology behind that is "you never/rarely experience what I experience all of the time, so, youte saying something against my perspective of daily lived life because you are the opposite of what I am, and therefore have a very different lived experience" Its like if i told men to quit worrying about being drafted and its not a big deal at all. They could say "you're only saying that cuz y…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:13 AM
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Well, I do all of those things. And those are non frequent/everyday tasks You di those things like once a month, once every few months or in a blue moon. I move things. I mow the grass and I can even build furniture. And I don't do it everyday like cooking and cleaning and running/managing a household while also working
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:05 AM
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Do you think women really don't have enough food or money that they have to go on frequent dates to get food cuz they're hungry I would rather stab myself in the eye rather than go out with a man who is a stranger for "free food"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:04 AM
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Yes, we can vet them obviously. But sometimes we don't want a relationship either, but we are at least looking for sex with someone who is actually attracted to us. Men can have casual sex with women and know for sure she finds him attractive. Us women have no idea if a man is attracted to us just cuz we are having sex
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 10:12 PM
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Yeah, I don't. It's just not something you learn about a guy until months in If she is willing to split a bill, you know that within the first date
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 08:23 PM
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Yeah. I know. That's what we do. I'm bot going to sleep with any man until I know he can wait for it cuz he wants to actually build a bond and connection with me
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 07:25 PM
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Obviously its not all men. But as a woman who deals with men, we get the most attention when we dress or act easy and get the least attention if we act less easier and dress a little more modest I can make an AMAZING outfit and do my hair, nails, and look truly 10/10 But if i wear a skimpy outfit. Less makeup. Less attention to how I look, but I act and dress skimpy af, I get waaaaaaay more attention Cuz a lot of guys are looking for sex and not attractive women. They are horny and want sex so, …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 07:15 PM
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That's simply not true
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 06:31 PM
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Most women split the bills with the man and also have a job
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 06:29 PM
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Mmm no, men are told all they need to do is not abuse women and have a job, at least traditionally. And now men are expected to be more than just working/a job and its been tough
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 06:28 PM
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But I split the bills when I date/live with a man. And I am still expected to do a lot more domestic labor. So, if im looking for a 50/50 financial man, he also needs to be 50/50 domestic labor too
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 06:12 PM
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Yeah, because men don't lie. The best way to weed out men, is if they agree with everything you say/say what they think you wanna hear At least to me, that's the main way to weed out who is lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 06:10 PM
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No, a lot of men just want sex and are horny. Thus when they go out, they seek out women who seem the easiest vs the most attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 05:17 PM
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https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2025/01/16/men-women-and-social-connections/
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 05:12 PM
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I agree with this. A man saying yes to us, is just saying yes to an opportunity of easy sex and not because he finds us attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 05:06 PM
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Yeah, but we are talking about in the context of dating. Men are going to be victims of robbery much more by men than women. In the realm of dating, men are way safer than women (in straight dating)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 05:05 PM
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Because usually all a man has to do is go to work then come home. And a woman is expected to go to work, come home. Then clean up, take care of the kids and then cook for everyone Why would i wanna come home after 8 to 10 hours of work to come home to do more work. Then when I am literally too tired for sex, my partner starts to nag me about sex. And then if I ask for some chores to be done, I am the nagging one. I have definitely been in a relationship like this and plenty of guys see a relatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 05:04 PM
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No... I am saying that there's no statical data showing men are more lonely than women. Women are, according to data, just as lonely as men and yet we only focus on how our current society ailments affect men
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 05:00 PM
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The ability to actually know if a woman is interested. Women tend to not lie as much about what they are looking for in a relationship. Yes, there are gold diggers. But just don't spend money or a lot of money in the beginning and they are super easy to avoid Men will sleep with women they don't like and aren't attracted to just because they want sex. So, a man approaching me and even having sex with me is not proof he finds me attractive or likes me At least for when a woman sleeps with a man, …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 04:59 PM
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What? Like the fact men and women are equally lonely but everyone only cares when its men and therefore call it the male loneliness epidemic and any woman here who tries to explain we are often lonely gets shut down cuz we don't know what real loneliness is
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 10:11 PM
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I would surmise its normal to want that, but its kind of absurd for anyone to revolve their literal entire lives around getting married and having kids. Like you still need some form of life for yourself that doesn't involve another person being in your life
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 06:11 PM
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But we do not get sympathy Any "oh, we are so sad for you" men we get tend to only fake sympathy online in order to get nudes and IRL to get sex. Ie preying on our vulnerabilities to use against us We absolutely do not get sympathy from men who are strangers without strings attached
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:48 PM

Consent my dude. Its like the main discernment for a lot of stuff yall see with women A woman who doesn't want you to tell her what to do, will tell you not o do it. When she wants you to take the lead on some decisions, she will tell you. Its a communicated upon agreement between two people. And not everyone wants to do it. And that's fine but some people wanna do it and that's fine too
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 03:02 AM
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This, PPD men are expecting BFF level empathy from women who are strangers. No one who is a stranger shluld be that empathetic and open with you. It'd be weird Basic empathy of like understanding we are all humans with the capability to get hurt? Yeah, normal But I'm not going to act as a BFF or therapist for a stranger
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 10:49 PM
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I guarantee you do this about your own things sometimes too. I think most people do this up until a point they realize they're doing it. I have definitely dated and known a shit ton of men who cannot take accountability and often act like you're starting drama or an argument because you expressed a modicum od displeasure and no matter how kindly you express yourself they fly off the rails and you end up having to apologize and then comfort the man. You can tell him "hey, that joke you said hurt …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 09:22 PM

That's because everyone speaking is trying to speak for everyone assuming their likes and dislikes are rhe norm. Yes. We have an average. Most women polled like X. NOW, this may mean 51% over 49% or 90% over a 10% We are biased. We assume, no fault of pur own, that because we are part of the demographic our own desire is the desire of all like us. I hear it all the time. We all know the average concept of a woman men like. Now this carries on details like skin color, hair shape, race, and many o…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 07:25 PM
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Yeah we did. You can love someone but understand that in a specific part of yalls lives yall are just not compatible
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 06:34 PM
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My relationship ended because I couldn't stand to live with my partner. We loved each other as long as we weren't sharing a home. So, its very necessary to me
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 06:28 PM
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Yes and no. I definitely think about it and it gives me anxiety. But I still deserve to have fun occasionally But the taboo around women having casual sex definitely influences me more than I'd like to admit But I know the right person for me wouldn't care, so I try not to care too
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 04:18 PM
-1

Me and my friends are dating guys slightly shorter than us
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:59 PM
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Men and women both have love to offer if nothing else, and how can that be bad
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 01:12 AM
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Yeah, and passport bros are unattractive men who go to poor countries so their wealth matters more/enough to get a hot chick who normally wouldn't be into them When they themselves would never date their looks match which is men's issue
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 06:25 PM
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Yeah, no. Because we end up ending things with the guys who put us down and neg us Guys have this stupid little binary thing You either treat her like an object via idealization by putting her on a pedestal Women don't like this hyper infatuation. And so, men do this "oh, the slution is to do the exact opposite" So, you'll be doing something at a 120% and then that's too much for women then yall will do -20% and its too shitty for women Yall really need to find the middle grounds and happy mediu…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 06:18 PM
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OK and all of the women I know don't give a flying fuck
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 06:16 PM
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Exactly what you said. Men are rhe ones who care about looks and are shallow and able to overlook nice women in order to date hot bitches who are shit people Whereas women can overlook physical appearances if he has the personality and merit of the man she wants Men are more shallow when it comes to dating because yalls primary goal is looks
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 05:47 PM
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Your one experience with one weird ass chick isn't the standard for anything
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 05:46 PM
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Yeah, don't put me on a pedestal but don't tear me down either and try to erode my confidence and make me feel like I don't deserve any better than you just cuz you're insecure that I could do better than you
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 05:42 PM
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Men choose women on looks way more than women. Women are much more willing to look past looks if he has other qualities A lot of men would date a hot af woman even if she had nothing going on in her life at all. And they usually don't give unattractive women a chance even if she is the whole package otherwise
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 04:31 PM
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Yeah, but the end goal is tje same. You pick a hot chick desperate for an american citizenship amd for her to get out of deep poverty, that she will go with a guy and live in his country And of course lol when they get back she definitely sees he was a big fish in a little pond in her country but in the US he is a little fish in a big pond
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 02:20 PM
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Yes, my friemd went on a few dates with a guy who kept negging her because she was so beautiful and he couldn't believe he got her He, like my ex, felt that he had to pull her off her pedestal and yank her down to his level versus being good enough to her to be able to be on her level Its this "I feel like she is too good for me, so I have to make her feel like sitting ol' me is all she deserves" So, they try to wear down your confidence so you don't feel like you can do better than him. Which i…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 02:17 PM
6

So, it's mail order bride with extra steps?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 02:02 PM
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I guess it would depend on you, and how close you are with fashion. I would say budget some time and a little money into figuring out what type of stuff looks good on you I am personally a suckered for all black. But not everyone wants to wear all black
/r/seduction03/07/26 12:06 PM
12

Idk what Tupac guys are
/r/seduction03/07/26 12:05 PM
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As a woman i like men who dress well and wear masculine jewelry. Men dressing fir the female gaze like modern pirates or like casual Jedis is so much hotter than like a lot of the guys for guys fashion Show off your body. Wear a Poets shirt. Maybe seem like your body is worth sexualizing to me.
/r/seduction03/07/26 05:22 AM

When did i say everything is men's fault
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 12:04 AM

I have a degree in psychology but thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 11:24 PM

You can understand things and or people and not have to accept them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 11:24 PM

Certain republicans are trying to take away free lunches for students... so, that kind of tells you where they are with kids and their futures
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 10:55 PM

Yes, and my friends symptoms of doom and fears often stem from real life events My point is these men probably have some sort of disordered thought pattern which, like other mental illnesses, can be caused and or inflamed by real life experiences Same with schizophrenia. Some people are so sure something may be real when it isn't I am gonna gander a lot of black pill men are undiagnosed something. Because their thought pattern is not healthy even if driven by real world experiences
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 10:31 PM

Yeah, my mom just retired as a teacher. They do not give a fuck about public school. Tell em to not send 300 billion dollars ro Iran and then maybe they'd try and help school kids
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 10:22 PM

Sure, and my OCD friend constantly thinks the world is over. Doesn't mean its actually the truth even if she sometimes has evidence her intrusive thoughts are real. It often ends up becoming self manifestation. Real Greek tragedies
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 09:55 PM

Exactly! You you agree with them, then they will be so mad Do what women have been shamed into, and get plastic surgery BBLs are the deadliest plastic surgery yet women still feel so insecure they feel inclined to do that What's stopping men from getting all the plastic surgery women are expected to get?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 09:51 PM

The government wouldn't do that. Mandated sports is a horror story for many awkward teens Especially if they suck or are like asthmatic etc then they will be bullied And if they are too disabled to do those sports, they become an outsider and are bullied even more
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 09:47 PM

I have had multiple guys voice out literally every thought they have. They will say all of their opinions all of the time. I have had dates who complained about all of their rejections Or guys just going in and saying "I don't date women who are x/y/z or who do x/y/z" wjen it would be much more apt to saying Its like I have been on a date, i am a very fit lady, and th guy kept going on about how he'd never date a fat chick Which is his prerogative. Idc. But its like, I am not telling him who I w…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:34 PM
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So, basically you're saying this is not a gendered problem and that its a problem too horny men and women deal with. Cuz believe me, the average woman is not as swayed by her horniness as the average man. The average woman is not overlooking red flags cuz of a man's physical appearance That's definitely mainly a man thing though But women can be guilty of it
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:10 PM
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Oh, and what. Young boys don't sell their souls for their dream sexy girl? Like men are just as guilty, if not more, about ignoring red flags in a person due to them being attractive enough. Of course when you're young though. In defense of boys and girls. You don't know what red flags to look for As a boy, you know the red flags girls should look out for since you see your male friends in action And the same goes for how we as girls know what type of girl to avoid as a boy, and it seems so obvi…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 04:14 PM
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Mn use money like women often use sex. Often in a naive way. A woman may have sex with a guy she wants a relationship with and hope he will eventually want to be serious with her Men will spend money on a woman, or outright give it to her hoping the same Neither works. Yeah, a man can get a gold digging wife or a "relationship" but she doesn't love him
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:03 PM
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Have you seen the movie obsession?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:01 PM

I feel like its aslo very sex oriented. They feel like we should bond primarily through sex versus like being vulnerable and open with each other via talking and spending time together
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 11:18 PM
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Idk, I wouldn't mind. If you wanna post women online to see if yall are dating the same person so be it. Maybe people shouldn't be dating more than 1 person at a time 🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 09:24 PM
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If i switched now? Yes. If i was born a male and raised from a boy to a man? No.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 07:39 PM
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I could be a different story All I am saying is that I could want 5 kids then die on the first child Dude. You can plan for what you want then get hit by a bus and become permanently disabled Shit happens. You can't live your life expecting everything to go as planned because life doesn't work that way Especially with more variables and wheels and gears moving about
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 08:05 PM
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Absolutely not. Those men will keep their views because they have decided to believe in their opinions in a way where they only seek out studies or stories that confirm their bias A good data analysist will do studies in order to prove their hypothesis wrong and not right They subject their hypothesis to a stress test to see if it lives up to it being hammered. And if it holds up then they can publish things Most people online seek information to confirm their biases correct rather than seeking …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 07:51 PM
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Look She almost died. She was dead on the table for 1 minutes and 12 seconds before they could resuscitate her And having more kids only increases the risk of death from child birth. So, my point is, you may plan on more kids but your wife dies in childbirth. And as the breadwinner. Where does that leave you? And the child? And also, what if she almost dies and the doctors tell you that the risk for death will only increase if she gets pregnant again? My point is, you may plan for something but …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 07:40 PM
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They upheld the arts and clothes and lots of the culture. But the rules and laws and overall power structure has always been created by man. Women didn't get the right to vote until the late 1800s. So men are still way more to be blamed
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 07:36 PM
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Men definitely often seek sex Its like we know a man approaching us may be approaching us cuz he wants sex and any woman who will say yes will do So, he is seeking us for how easy we appear versus being attractive to him Men often seek sex and thus its not even a desire for us or wanting us, its a desire and want for sex and any woman who says yes is who he has sex with A desire for sex =/= a desire for the person.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 07:02 PM
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Ok? And so, what. Should they have chosen you? Just cuz you're not abusive doesn't mean you'd be a good partner Why do guys go "but im not abusive!" Ok, so what. Like 1 woman chose an abusive man over you doesn't mean every woman rejecting you is choosing an abusive man over you
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 06:49 PM
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How often? Once? Also men do it too. Men will absolutely choose the hot bitch cuz the sex is good even though he is being manipulated and is emotionally miserable. I have definitely seen my male friends willingly be abused cuz they enjoyed the toxicity and the sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 06:41 PM

Its ok, I just added the edit yesterday!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 06:40 PM
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I saw today an Australian man killed a 17 year old girl because he invited her over to buy services for $23 Australian Dollars. He killed her because he wanted to only pay her $12 Australian dollars I cannot get behind passport bros because even if they aren't killing girls and women they are facilitating an environment in those countries where girls and children are selling themselves for $20 Irs abhorrent and disgusting. Just cuz they can't afford a prostitute in their country/countries I thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 06:34 PM
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Yes. And yet the richest and most elite people will still be sexust and racist to others because some people crave power no matter what. So even of everyone was equal in finances and class, they'd fine something to create a power imbalance that they can be on top of others with So two men with 1 billion dollars, one is power hungry and so he will assert the ither billionaire is beneath him due to race. Because these people will create power structures even if everyone was liberated financially
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 06:26 PM
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A sexy man chopping wood is sexy cuz it is. Men also like women cooking in her underwear. Men sexualize our utility as well But at least as a man you're seen by what you do and who you are versus just a throwaway person for sex And men don't even have sex with women they like. They will have sex with women they hate or are disgusted with just to get sex. So, a man fucking us isn't even him wanting us It just means he wants sex and we are the means he goes through to get sex Which is why men out …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 05:31 PM
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Care to explain?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 05:26 PM
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And he was a man, who was only persecuted for class and his ethnicity. You cannot argue from a point of saying "its class persecution" when rich black men and women are treated worse than their white and male counterparts In every situation of class. Race and gender and sex is still lesser than the white man within the same class.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 05:25 PM

The way you worded your comment. You said having high standards blah blah blah But within context of OP saying having low sta cards is bad. I am just saying that you still shouldn't have low standards. The main point is low standards are bad, so bringing up high standards isn't necessary as a counter point because neither should be your goal unless your high standards can be met
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 05:19 PM

Yeah, I am just letting you know. Having low standards is a detriment
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 05:10 PM
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Because it really bloody fucking hurts. My brother's wife nearly died giving birth to their first daughter. Asking her again to go through that is super super selfish. They wanted more than one kid but because of how things went, they may not be able to, at least not biologically You have no idea how things will go Also, the US doesn't have mandatory paid maternal leave. So, your breadwinning wife may get fired for having to take time off to give birth and recover and or simply not pay her for t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 05:06 PM
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It is yours as well since you have said women lead numerous times in their own domain
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 05:01 PM
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Give me a concrete example. What is he leading. What does this entail. Like give me examples that aren't vague
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 05:01 PM
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OK. Cool. As long as you don't open up a surveillance on someone new just cuz your ex cheated.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 05:00 PM
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Women upheld all of the culture. Song, music, food, dance, clothing, costumes, religion. Yes. Religion. They were the ones who passed their religion on to the children even if men were the only religious leaders That's why in europe, traditionally the queen's religion was super important because that usually determined her son's religion, aka the future king's There would be no culture if women didn't make art
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 04:59 PM
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Who pushed you away while they were in an abusive relationship? Is this something you regularly experience?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 04:53 PM

Not having low standards doesn't mean you have high standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 04:51 PM
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Not everything is a class struggle. Racism and sexism do exist. Some people genuinely want to enslave minorities
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 04:50 PM

I would assume that a man has a high ego. If he approached me and I said yes, his ego would already be through the roof. Now if I approached him. His ego would also be through the roof But some guys like to hurt end humble us women. So, they find it fun to reject women to have the feeling of "finally the roles are reversed and I rejected you" And 99% of the time the woman is like. Oh, ok. And gets over it within the next 10 minutes. I had a guy who said that exact thing. He liked the strip club …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 04:21 PM
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Low cuz i hate texting. I immediately expect to have a public date as soon as possible but I do ask the basics necessary things. I hate dating apps. I hate texting. I wanna have a face to face conversation
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 04:16 PM
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Yeah, but also, if you talk to gay men they lament about objectification too. Especially when they get hurt from it. And thats the thing. Men are happy to objectify or be objectified until it bites them in the ass then they realize how much it sucks Especially if all you are is objectified Like you wanna be objectified when you want it. But if you were objectified every minute, of everyday of every week of your life since you were 12, you'd end up hating it too Since women are only objectified a…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 04:09 PM
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Yeah, and the best relationships are those where the couple is egalitarian.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 04:06 PM
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Nope. If I got into a relationship and he immediately suspected me of cheating due to past relationship trauma, I am out Don't put your unsealed shit onto people and tell them they are the problem if they can't deal with your trauma You are responsible for your own wounds. No one is there to fix you nor should they have to deal with the symptoms of your unhealed trauma if it hurts them
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 04:01 PM
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So what you're saying is you actually prefer an equal relationship where you equally lead and follow each other where your strengths and weaknesses are?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 03:57 PM
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I am not religious in those spheres. I advocate in my culture and religion of free advocacy for all groups and no one person is the person who makes all of the decisions As no one person can always make the right decision. Hence why the best groups or people are those who learn to work together as equals and communicate well. You'll see it in the military. The best squads aren't the strongest, they are the ones where everyone is equal and listened to and they have their owns strengths and weakne…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 03:46 PM
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Or, you can just not choose cheaters? And if you get in a new relationship with past trauma and bagge that is your responsibility to deal with and not that person's If I get in a relationship with a man who was cheating on and he acts paranoid with me, is accusatory. I'd break up with him Because I have my own relationship trauma and I do not put that on any partner who didn't cause that trauma
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 03:42 PM
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But what if in situations that are not necessarily logical. What if youre at a funeral for a close loved one. And someone is talking to yall and you need to figure out the best way to be there for someone grieving. Like your sisters husband dies, what do you do? Because its a mix of emotional IQ and logical IQ. Not everything in life, actually most things, in life are based from an emotional starting point. Yes. Even a job. Because you react to the stress of an event and thus it causes your proc…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 03:40 PM
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Yeah, so. Both people in the relationship are leading and submissive when their strengths are at the forefront That's a normal healthy relationship Neither person should be able to ignore what the other person says and decide everything on their own And the women should have more agency than just being a counsel. Especially if she has more skill If she knows how to clean better and how to run the house and manage it via chores and cooking and child care. The man should defer to her when talking …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 03:35 PM
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Until it has negative consequences. But they never experienced those negative consequences and thus don't understand why they would be bad
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 03:30 PM
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No, men do. Because they are allowed peace and quiet. Imagine being a woman is like being famous. Only famous men understand how women feel because there are tons of people who assume or think they love the celebrity even though they never met them. The celebrity is constantly observed and judged and never let alone. Their private space is constantly being invaded and questioned. They are not allowed to be at peace because everyone wants a piece of them and many people feel entitled
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 03:30 PM
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My point is, that assuming your partner is cheating without any prior proof or evidence is psychotic behavior. Unless you have a valid reason to assume your partner is cheating, only then should you investigate Investigating a cheating accusation with no probable cause is ridiculous and neurotic
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 03:28 PM
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Idk, I would never seek a relationship where I assume the ither person is cheating. Just get over it and move on. If you wanna treat every single partner like they are a cheater then that's your cross to carry, not theirs
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 03:26 PM
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But a co-opt business often does run smoothly. As well as people sharing power. Tjere are enough companies with co-founders The CEO also have to answer to shareholders and their customers. Without them they have 0 power Besides a relationship is nothing like a corporation. Because the two people actually care about each other If you're worried or desire to have power over your partner then that's an internal problem you should solve I don't desire power over my partner and nore do they desire po…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 03:26 PM
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But a co-opt business often does run smoothly. As well as people sharing power. Tjere are enough companies with co-founders The CEO also have to answer to shareholders and their customers. Without them they have 0 power Besides a relationship is nothing like a corporation. Because the two people actually care about each other If you're worried or desire to have power over your partner then that's an internal problem you should solve I don't desire power over my partner and nore do they desire po…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 03:25 PM
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Exactly. They want blind obedience even when they don't know what they are doing
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 03:23 PM
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Look. You're just generally asking for a lot of odd bits and ends to come together and collide. I would only be ok with being a breadwinner with a guy who wants 3 kids if at least 1 of them was adopted or a surrogate And as a vegan, its already super hard to find someone at least vegetarian. Let alone a guy who is left leaning and also into the same things I am who is also compatible with me Because I may find the person who is on paper everything I want. But then I don't get along with him. And…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 02:53 PM
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Well, because we aren't accusing every man of being dangerous. But men act the same way! If you're going to a country where pickpocketers are rampant, you may clutch your pockets or avoid people while walking even though its not the majority of the locals. You just don't know which local is a pickpocket. But why take the chance? You don't know who is the criminal, and if you're in an area, or place, time of day where criminal activities may occur, why wouldn't you protect yourself? Locking my ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 02:44 PM
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Yeah, the chances of a woman wanting to be the breadwinner and have 3 children and be vegetarian is already a lot. I mean good for you for being the stay at home dad I guess. But objectively life never ever happens how you want it My bff and I were talking about this the other day Before 2020/movie we had all sorts of plans and goals. And all of them feel or exploded or crumbled. But also so many different things blossomed in the corpses of our past dreams. What we learned was that when we plan …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 02:09 AM
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But the man will defer to the woman in things she is better equipped for. Because why should a man always be the leader especially in specific tasks and skills and knowledge i am better at?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 01:58 AM
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But what is she following? Like what example can you give? And are there times you follow her lead, when she knows more about something than you do, say, making appointments and or cooking or budgeting? Because imo to me the leading and following should be equal. Your wife will lead you sometimes when she knows a skill better And vice versa. Should you always be the leader over her even when its something she is better at?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 01:57 AM
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So, basically you want a person who is more of a planner and organizer? I don't think thats leading and being submissive I think that's opposites attract You're the go with the flow, but still desire structure Your man would be someone who always needs a plan to function so he always makes one My dad is like that with vacations. Its nice. We just show up But my mom is that way with household chores. He is a little more go woth the flow and my mom tells him, and everyone else, what to do/she make…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 01:55 AM

:)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 01:51 AM
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But why can't neither of us be domineering? Like why does one or the other have to be on top? Life isn't binary, nor are people.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:40 AM
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Why would you think I wanna go home to a man boss who is so independent and needs to negotiate everything from the position of entitlement
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:39 AM

This is a satirical post based on a now deleted post of a man saying the same thing but about women
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 11:51 PM

This!!! Its not even women doing any psyop its the epstein men...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:07 PM
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I think someone here said, that men basically live as one of many. Or something like that. While women live with a spotlight on them Men may be overlooked but women are constantly observed, constantly having their space invaded, constantly expected to act happy, cheerful, and be pretty while in public areas. Her actions have expectations and everything she is and does is looked at and judged.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:03 PM
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But when are you submitting and to what? Like give men an example of when this happens?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:01 PM

I am not moving goalposts. I am saying women are tired of hearing men say the only hot woman is 18 to 25
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 09:58 PM
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I don't get this obedience or submissive bullshit. Like what are you wanting submission for Like what are you leading women to do? Like what does that entail?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 09:49 PM

I don't think so, I feel like it has been the incels amd red pill men who argue that any woman above 25 is expired that is the issue Women age. And we are still pretty hot for well past 35. So, acting like we expire at 25 and peak at 18 is usually, yes, an indication that that person would go lower if legal. Is it always a sign of pedophilia, no. But the insistence that women look 18 to 25 with absolutely no body hair anywhere and dress in a type of way that young church children would dress in,…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 09:46 PM
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Yeah, I think it can be. We also aren't speaking face to face so tone doesn't get conveyed
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 09:38 PM
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Apparently if every woman has the ability to get a simp for her, a guy to bail her out, or a man she settles for then that means for all these women theres at least what, one dude? Go be that dude
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:47 PM
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Lmao its ok! I don't think i should keep this posted. Might delete. I don't want people to seriously think I think people like being objectified:)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 06:02 PM
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This was a satirical post about a now deleted post with the same title but as "women" I don't think people actually like being objectified and used when they desire to be actually wanted in the way they want. I don't even think men enjoy being objectified if it means the woman doesn't like him in the way he wants her to like him for
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 05:44 PM
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Anyone who truly believes all people of a specific demographic are all the same are people I cannot take seriously But its good to differentiate between when people are talking in a way that it is meant to convey they are generalizing in a conjecture sort of way vs actually stating "all people of this group do this"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 04:35 PM
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I often tell my friends its like micro dosing rage. It feels all adrenaline-y once that slight rage bait feeling is over and also helps stimulate my brain where I feel like I am actually using it Some of us just have those brains that are wired to like debating and talking about things I like consenting to rage bait stuff online as long as no one comes out of the blue to rage bait me Not saying thats what this is. But I feel like here, I am allowed to be a little angry and conjecture and pull th…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 04:30 PM
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I do this for fun after I drink coffee and need a place to focus my mental energies. I find it kind of relaxing. I love debate and I love complex topics. One of the main things about me is I love talking about psychology and sociology and just getting a deeper understanding of things. Some people here use this space to be angry and cruel and negative but a good chunk of us here actually enjoy this place versus seeing it as like a toxic thing. Some people enjoy this.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 04:27 PM

Oh, lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 04:25 PM

Yup, its so sad to see them not be able to embrace their own sexuality and express it as being feminine or gay
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 04:24 PM
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I think normal men and normal women have sympathy for each other. Its fhe incels and females that struggle with empathy
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 04:04 PM
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Exactly this. If you're the one suspecting infidelity that's either real or imagined, that is what the issue of the relationship is and is what will cause it to end If you know your wife cheated and she is pregnant. Then yeah, get one But if you just have a little hunch of paranoia then that's your mental health problem you need checked out
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 04:03 PM
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Imagine if your wife, out of the blue decided to hook you up to a lie detector to just make sure Or decided to test you in various ither ways to ensure you're not a cheater. How would you feel especially if you never even thought about cheating and are morally against it?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:51 PM

This! They see men wearing clothes to be sexy as feminine And thus refuse to try and be sexually appealing because they view it as feminine or gay. So you end up with guys with man haircuts and man clothing that doesn't show off the good parts of his body or face at all. Like my ex had the worst fashion sense and of he had just dressed better he'd have been super sexy to me But he always wore faded and muted colors and like red and blue together and nothing matched.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:49 PM

Yup, men assume the body parts we find attractive are the equivalent to their body parts area. Whereas we find all sorts of things attractive on a man that aren't his pecks or dick
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:47 PM

No, men don't dress sexually or try to dress sexy because they don't understand or know that they can be visually sexy to women in this regard Women like hot men and men being sexy is great but men are detached from being the sexual one being sexualized So, they don't embrace dressing sexy and being the one to try and be sexualized visually by women Some men who are good at fashion know how to embldy and embrace their sexuality and know how to dress to be sexually appealing to women/the women in…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:46 PM

Sure, but red pill men live off of blaming women about their issues with dating just as much as women blame men Its easier to say that for people than to admit maybe they could look inward at why no one likes them Its like. If you come across one asshole, its probably them. But if everyone you come across is an asshole, it might be you who is the asshole. And thats something red pill men can't swallow
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:35 PM

Ooh yes! Makeup on men is sexy af
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:34 PM

And so, I am not really sure what is stopping men from wearing clothes, jewelry or fashion that appeals to women and is still enjoyable for them <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:59 PM

Jewelry on men is sexy imo <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:58 PM

In the 80s men dressed way more slutty. Men were allowed to express them being sexualized Now men who sexualize themselves are seen as gay even if that's not true I love a man dressed a little slutty Its just men don't think we women are visual at all. Which we are. We are just better at controlling our lust. We love men who work out and show their muscles in sexy black turtle necks or dress like modern pirates for the female gaze. Im not sure when we started thinking a person sexualizing themse…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:58 PM

That's anecdotal too. Because all of my friends are fine with their men doing it, especially if it occasionally means she doesn't have to have sex with him when she doesn't want to and he doesn't blow up and get mad about it
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:47 PM

Yes and that's how red pill men see dating. That all of their issues are all caused by women being wrong about what we like
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:46 PM

To me the whole "prize" thing rubs me the wrong way. Neither person is the "prize" You like each other. And decide somewhere along the way you want to build something deeper and more exclusive and thus build the relationship together The relationship is the prize that takes daily work and reflection and dedication and love and trust And the nuclear family is imo the death of the west. Its why no one is happy. You seclude whole families away from each other and say they sre only allowed to depend…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:43 PM

Not particularly. If i am not fucking him that day and he has a boner and releases himself while I am able to like do my own thing. Relax. Go for a run etc. The why would i care? Especially if he is happier and less annoying once he does that. Then I could start my day feeling good about myself and the better I feel about myself the more desire and openness I have towards sex. I think guys don't understand that. They often have sex to feel good whereas us women need to feel good in order to have…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:28 PM
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No it doesn't? I have had sex with my partner from a place of deep love, trust, and desire. You can love, be sexual, be loved and see the other person as sexual at the same time. And i know plenty of men capable of being sexual and sexualizkng me without seeing me as a non human entity
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:22 PM

And what about men's part in it all. They are not guiltless. They also tend to overlook red flags because a woman is hot. They also tend to refuse to end bad relationships cuz a bad relationship is better than no relationship to them
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:56 PM
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My parents are mixed lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:47 AM
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Yeah, look. I'm just not gonna agree with you. Bad sex is bad and unenjoyable
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:47 AM
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The fact that the men who are in our government with trophy wives and are traditionally not handsome and have never been?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:52 AM
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The point is that the "nice" guys tend to be some of the more covert type of rapists and sexists there are. It's about how men hide under their docile and "niceness" as a way to actually enact harm onto others. They believe they are doing the right thing and are justified in their behaviors because they aren't knife wielding lunatics in the alley way grabbing and raping women violently... the believe that they are a good guy/s. When in truth they are more than capable of ignoring a woman's conse…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:51 AM
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Those men started that way due to tje fact they were deemed undesirable without their money and a hint of narcissism. Enough of those unelected men would absolutely enact mass harm and exploitation unto women if given the money and power
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:48 AM
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My point is that there was another post saying women like being objectified when it benefits them, so this is just a satirical post about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:46 AM

Exactly! Like I be doing 2 or 3 times a week and they're like "boooo" and its like ok then bye. And theyre like oh, wait. Nooooo
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:45 AM
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No, when sex is bad not only do i not orgasm I may even be in pain. Then have to worry about STDs or if he actually wore a condom the entire time and even if he did, could some still have leaked out. Maybe I might get pregnant and all that for something that caused me a UTI that lasted 2 weeks. That's bad sex. The worst sex for men, they still orgasm and there's almost 0 risk for them. And tbh not enough of them truly care about sexual health enough. I don't get something from sex if its bad. In…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:40 AM
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Ok? And how is that different than realizing a man doesn't actually like you? Sometimes. We'll, actually quite a bit men will fuck women they don't like and also fuck women they are not attracted to just cuz they want sex It really sucks when you know and or realize the person you thought might like you, or at least deaire you, actually dislikes you
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:34 AM
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Yeah, its almost like this is a facetious post about another post titled the same as mine but with "woman" in front of it
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:32 AM
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Then have you ever talked to women you're around about this who you wanna be friends with without making it sound like its women's fault they are cautious? You sound super accusatory when youre like "why do you treat me differently than your female friends huh?" There are a thousand ways to talk to people without first accusing them of wringing you without any information from their end
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:21 PM
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Ok? Then objectify women and be objectified. Best way to do that is hore hookers and go to a strip club
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:19 PM
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I am not sure? Do you actually wanna be friends with women because you wanna be just friends and nothing more?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:18 PM

Right, they view their sexual needs as the only valid needs. They also, the men, could stay single. Or do what they did when they don't get sex every fucking sexond of the day, and masturbate, like they did when single
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:18 PM
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So, what you're saying is people actually make quick judgements about people based on how they look/qct before getting to know them. That's not objectification. You can make a judgement about a person without reducing them to being an object and not a human
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:16 PM
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So, you're saying that after being taught for thousands and thousands of years to rely on men for money, that it should suddenly just disappear in the first and only 60 years we had financial freedom? That in just 2 generations or so we should be over seeing men as people we begrudgingly have to play nice with in order to get our basic needs met? Yall horded weath for literal thousands of years. That is THOUSANDS of years of teaching young girls who grow into women about how men are for providin…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:15 PM
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I see men as full and complex human beings. I desire to get to know them. Love them. Care for them. I want to knkw them inside out and accept them with flaws and all. Sadly though, some men just kind of want consistent sex and don't care about the emotional aspect of human connections
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:12 PM
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No, but in almost every instance a man has tried to get with me after being a "friend" so, i no longer care to try Once or twice is a coincidence. Almost every single time? No, that's a pattern And after one friend gone cuz they asked you out. Then a second one gone, then a 3rd one and then a 4th one. You kind of get sick of losimg your friends
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:11 PM
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Are you kidding? It all started when men forbade women from making money and owning her own land. Women had to get married men in order to get resources from said men. Its only until recently that women no longer have to rely men on money
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:05 PM
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Exactly! If you're wearing a nice watch, why wouldn't i expect you to pick up the tab for me even if we are strangers. That's what you're advertising!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 10:23 PM
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This! You listen to your male friends about his heartaches and woes and he thinks you wanna fuck him/date him
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 10:21 PM
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Almost every single man i have been friends with eventually hit on me then ended our relationship wjen I rejected them Sometimes they wait yeeears until you break up with someone. And most of the time they become your friend to get sex or a relationship The only men I have as friends are ex casual flings amd even then thats the looses definition of the word
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 10:20 PM
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Why is it normal? And how come we don't see people as people if we desire sex or money from them?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 10:17 PM
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No, cuz as a stripper men love spending money to flex to other men and for the dancers. Its fun for them. They enjoy it
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 10:16 PM
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Oh, fair! Yeah, men almost never face any negative consequences from being objectified since they only benefit from it. Thus being seen as less than a human being doesn't bother them Id assume it only bothers them when they're rejected ir overlooked sexually, they feel dehumanized only then and thus only then can they relate to our issues and feelings as a woman
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 10:09 PM
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So, are you suggesting it is beneficial to objectify a woman because she benefits somehow?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 10:07 PM
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So, you wouldn't mind if a woman only wanted money from you and didn't actually desire you
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 10:05 PM
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But you're only you. If other men go to clubs and the like, then its safe to say men out there like objectification I mean, it's the same when the red pill men here say women like to be objectified
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 10:02 PM

No we aren't but men fear we will opress them like we have been opressed by them
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 09:58 PM
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When do you think it benefits men for women to be gold diggers to them
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 09:58 PM
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Well, they get the benefit of the stripper pretending to like him and the mail order brides pretending to like them. They get to pretend their fantasy women/woman likes them back
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 09:56 PM
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Oh, of course until their Greenland wives leave them and none of the strippers like them. Then they get depressed
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 09:53 PM
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But they are treating you as just a means to money, which is making you into an object that gives money. Like an ATM
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 09:53 PM
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I know lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 09:51 PM

No? It isn't the solution. I am just pointing out how men are super willing to opress us and couldn't fathom the opposite. Despite the opposite making more sense, even if its not moral
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:38 PM
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That unfortunately should be common knowledge. But people get nervous
/r/seduction28/06/26 08:37 PM
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Ok? How would you feel if someone used you for your money and had contempt for you? Would you like that form of objectification. You're still desired
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:08 PM

I wasn't being serious. I was simply makimg the statement that tje men's solution is to always opress the women to make us unable to choose the men we want and force us to be with men we don't wanna be with vs being opressed in a way to force them to be desirable for us
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:02 PM

Either way, the west doesn't see incels favorably like places like Afghanistan does
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 07:15 PM

Yeah, but maybe it should happen to men instead. At least to make the incels get plastic surgery and make them get therapy Make them desirable? Maybe solves the root of the issues. Which is them being undesirable
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 07:11 PM
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No it isn't? Me admiring a person for their sexual appeal doesn't mean i am objectifying them Just like me seeing a person as emo, doesn't mean i can't see or understand they aren't just "emo" Everyone is way more complex than how you view their appearances. And seeing them as 1 thing doesn't mean you're blind to the possibility they are complex human beings
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 07:11 PM

I would assume the majority of people are against terrorism against their family, friends, daughter's, mothers, sisters, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 07:04 PM
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Why can't yall understand the difference between sexualization and objectification
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 07:00 PM
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I wanna be kind to more men, and be friends, its just so many of them do not want friendship or kindness from women unless it comes with access to sex. And I know this isn't everyone, it just happens so so so often
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:59 PM
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Yes bachelors have existed happily for many centuries.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:56 PM

Yeah, and they are seen as extremist losers so sexless they will enact terrorism. That's the cultire climate around how people in the west view incels. As a problem group of people who need to be subdued
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:51 PM

There's a bunch of men here talking about how to properly take away women's rights to assist with an increasing incel problem And my issue is instead of the government enforcing men to become men women would choose, via surgery, vasectomies, therapy, they always try to take away women's ability to choose the men we want/don't want. Which is terrible for our genetics as a species, as the female should be the chooser.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:50 PM

Yeah, and now men in Afghanistan are rebelling against their incel overlords. And rn, they are trying to turn us into Afghanistan but a Christian version. So, we do genuinely have to fight Christian fascism especially with the current climate of right wingers deciding to take away women's rights to appeal the evil incels
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:48 PM
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But what if they sexualize you without objectifying you?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:41 PM
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Right? Its because in these men's heads, when they sexualize they automatically objectify vs being able to sexualize someone without dehumanizing them Its like why can't you see me as a sexy person Versus a sexy object
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:37 PM

Yeah. But tje incels will be the violent ones first. I mean look at Afghanistan. They were the first incels. But from a standpoint of coming into the west, people wouldn't tolerate their family members being the victims of incel terror attacks
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:22 PM

That doesn't mean they aren't married or having sex? What about all the women who are single? Are they not also accommodated for not having good enough men to choose from? What about mandated therapy for men and mandatory vasectomies until they prove they would be a good parent? And then have it reversed? Why is it always the women's rights taken away in these instances and never the men Why can't they get plastic surgery? Why can't they get mandated therapy and the government force them to be m…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:16 PM

The problem is the people woth families have their families to lose, why would they listen to people who do nothing but harm. They'd be seen as akin to terrorists
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:14 PM
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I know, but after repeated exposure to the dame pattern, it makes us women not want to continue If 99% of the time I am friendly with a man, he claims I out him in the friend zone because I won't fuck him, why even try to be friends? I understand there are normal men out there but sadly too many men see kindness as us desiring them
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:07 PM

So, basically use the men as cannon fodder for their wars
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:05 PM

I mean, though low birth rate is good. We cannot keep having more than the population we have rn The baby boom generation was an artificially boosted generation due to war We were never supposed to replace those numbers. Our planet cannot handle so many if us. It's actually better for the individuals. Better planet. Cheaper homes. And also, jobs will be competing for workers versus workers competing for jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 05:46 PM
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Absolutely! I try to listen and have a heart, but its spurned me And IRL, if you give some men an ounce of kindness they mistake it as you being into them. Sadly it sucks cuz you try and be a friend and they reject that unless you're offering sex with that friendship
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 05:44 PM

But considering these violent unselected men would be targeting the men who have wives and children's family. So, the main desire would be to put them down vs placate them If you kill my wife/kids cuz you can't get one yourself, imma stab you idc (I am a woman but from, you kill my loved ones, why would i desire you to be handled like a victim)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 05:34 PM

But 50% of men aren't unelected. You also have to contend with the men who are relatives of these women you want to subjugate. Do you really think the fathers and brothers and family members of 50% of the population will vote for their precious little daughters to be sold in slavery to what? Satisfy a demographic they will die before it comes into fruition? The problem of women not wanting children, is mainly because its so risky and so expensive and the economy is shit Why would i in a red sate…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 05:24 PM

They are simply unelected for mating and marriage. They are still accepted as functioning society members if they are. The more violence happens from that group, it disrupts the lives of the average people who are happy, which will always be larger than the unelected men. Murder and violence is illegal and people will be more likely to defend themselves with violence against violent threats That is nature
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 05:18 PM

Oh, I agree. It's just the grass is greener on the other side Men say they don't get enough attention (in dating) And women say we get too much attention and that its usually the bad kind of attention It would be nice to have a middle ground wouldn't it? To have options, but those options to be kind, respectful and honest and non entitled
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 05:15 PM
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No he doesn't? There is no effort required to be an average person who doesn't purposefully do harm unto others Ie, someone has to do something purposefully negative for me to lose respect. He literally just has to live and not hurt others on purpose
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 03:19 PM
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Poor man award 🏆
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 02:56 PM
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I think they want all women to collectively come together and apologize to men for the suffering our "privileges" in dating causes them
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 02:55 PM
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I think the issue i have with men here, is that when we express solitude in understanding of what its like to be lonely we are told we aren't able to comprehend their loneliness Ie. I am wxpected to have empathy bit when I give it i am told basically to shut it because as a woman, I couldn't possibly understand the pain of no one wanting me. Even though as women, all of us, go through our very own brand of being unwanted by the opposite sex and by society in general. I have talked to men about t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 02:51 PM
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No? Because I start at a neutral amount of respect. I give everyone respect. The homeless man begging for food has my respect because he is a fellow human being. Unless he does something negative will i lose respect for him But he doesn't have to do anything to get my respect. I already give him that for simply existing as a human
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 02:44 PM
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Yea and no. We all like talking about ourselves sure. But eventually it gets annoying when we are also trying to get to know the guy and he keeps deflecting back onto us. Its a give and take
/r/seduction28/06/26 02:42 PM

So, because you're not the peak "masculine" male you aren't seen as worth the same value as other men. Then wouldn't you know you understand how women and gay men are viewed and how that might effect us mentally and emotionally? Especially if, our only value is sexual, or our identity tied to our sexuality/sex lives
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 01:38 PM
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Yes, I think respect can be lost.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 01:36 PM
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Do you not know what I am replying to? Some men here definitely think a woman only desires him enough if she relinquished her boundaries for him Which is part of rape culture as it teaches men to coerce and teaches women "the only way to prove a man you like him, is to ignore your own needs and wants and to give him what he wants even if you don't like it/want to" <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 12:54 PM
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Impress? More like make them feel safe. I have had plenty of rich men try and impress me and none of them are safe people I feel like I should open up to. I don't gice goodness to others because they earned it through working for my validation. I gove it because I enjoy being kind and nice and good to others. The idea that everyone on earth must earn your respect and goodness is such a weird take. Why don't we give out what we would want done unto us?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 12:52 PM

So you want us to what? Declare that we get more options What does that get us? Its not like all men are good. In fact bad men tend to harass whereas good men tend to stay away and allow us our space. So, unfortunately the majority of the ones approaching us are actually usually the bad kind of man. I am supposed to do what with the information? That enough men see that I am hot, never care to get to know me, but declare they love me because they are physically attracted to me? Its a lot of men …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 12:49 PM
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To me this feels akin to "respect must be earned" I actually give basic human respect to everyone. Homeless. Children. Old people. And i only cease the respect if they do something to take away my respect. I don't think people should have to work for the respect I feel all humans are owed And if i operated on the notion people must earn my kindness or good will. Then I'd be very selfish indeed. And I'd go around being selfish making other people more inclined to do so as well Being a selfish ind…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 12:39 PM
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Yeah, no. Some men here definitely only feel desired if a woman breaks her rules for him. Basically they want her to reject all other men. Hold a high standard too high for those men to reach. But then really desire him so much so she breaks her rules and allows him to get away with stuff she would never let other men get away with/do
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 12:36 PM
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No? I wouldn't bend my boundaries for anyone. They are boundaries for a reason. Things I will not do And anyone who expects me to break my boundaries for them is not a person I want to be My "no" should matter to the man who actually loves me Because to me, love from a man means he won't expect me to break my boundaries for him and he accepts my nos as is
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 12:30 PM
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The things I enjoy, why i enjoy them. I like getting to know people and why they are the way they are. I ask about the things they enjoy and usually ask them about why they like those things and if they say something I resonate with, I readily say so and then they can ask me questions back
/r/seduction28/06/26 10:02 AM
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No, they do it because both parties are able to actually realize when its over and actually quit directly.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 09:23 AM
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Uhhh yeah? Why wouldn't i?
/r/seduction28/06/26 09:22 AM
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This, as a woman, if a man never asks me questions about myself, I assume its cuz he has no desire in getting to know me. No desire to get to know me? I feel a lack of an emotional bond and lack of depth from the man. Curiosity is potent af
/r/seduction27/06/26 11:29 PM
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So, they are just mad that women don't want casual sex with him while that's all he wants?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 11:28 PM
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Ok...? And the majority of people don't have to pretend to want a long term relationship in order to get casual sex. Besides, that is immoral and removes all "but I am a nice guy, why won't they choose me" pleas.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 11:15 PM

Sure, its important. But not the only thing. But am I supposed to overlook how attractive a man is in Lou of his ither qualities. And then won't he be upset?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 09:57 PM
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No? I would assert that you cannot tell by a man's facade about whether he is lying or not and you have to test him to see whether or not he speaks the truth. As men are very well known for lying through their teeth to get sex
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 09:56 PM
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Yeah, but you implied it with talking about how there are what? Average men who have to get into a relationship to get access to sex as if that's why men get into a relationship.........
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 09:54 PM
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Well, the only solution is to not give men who only want sex what they want quickly. You have to get to know them. And vice versa. Build a bond and a relationship before you have sex. The more the man invests emotionally the more proof he is actually there for the emotional bond and not just sex The men just in it for sex leave early af and can't keep up the charade for excess amounts of time. It also gives you time to vet them without risking sex
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 09:24 PM
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You do realize a lot of men don't get into comitted relationships just for consistent access to sex. They get in them because they desire love and emotional connection with someone they can't get with platonic friends or family members Not every dude out there is out in a relationship, lying about loving his gf, just to get sex... That's I think. Some internalized misandry imo That all men want is sex and they have no desire for emotional connections or bonds and act like little sex robots devoi…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 09:22 PM
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Most people don't care about if people want casual sex I think the issue women have is that it feels like most men that we come accross only want casual sex. And that even in relationships it feels like sex is the main focus for men. Which circles our minds back into "men only want sex and will fake relationships and love to get access to it" Which is a common fear sadly. Obviously the stereotype is just that, a stereotype. But there is definitely a surplus of men seeking casual sex more than em…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 09:19 PM
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It makes better liars Like how strict parents make their kids great liars. Shitty people will adapt. The only thing that flushes out fakers is time without the thing they are lying to get.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 09:16 PM
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I don't detest men who just want sex, but I will say no to them when I want a relationship Id detest men who go for women who want a relationship knowing they aren't in it for the same reason. You can be a person who only wants casual sex. That's literally never the problem. Its expecting women who are dating intentionally to agree to have a casual relationship and see where things go (ie, it becomes a situationship that only benefits the man) Some men tend to date exclusively in casual relation…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 09:04 PM
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No, people who approach me at a grocery store aren't inherently bad. I am just not there to spcialize and now I have a guy asking me my life story, favorite color and all these personal things when I am mentally shut off. Do you wanna be approached by strangers in public when youre running an errand?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 08:50 PM
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Yeah, but a gym is about being fit and focusing on that. There are plenty of hobbies meant to socialize and engage with other people in the area Join a running or fitness club. Don't jjst flirt with people who go to the same club The issue with gyms, is like grocery stores. We go to what is in our neighborhood and if a guy asks me out, I now have to be afraid that if I say no he will harass me and suddenly my neighborhood gym/store/area is no longer safe for me and I must figure out a new place …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 07:58 PM
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Bars, clubs, hobby places. Mainly anywhere that isn't errand oriented. And if its in a park or such locations, don't talk to me if i am listening to music or engaged in an activity like studying or reading
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 07:54 PM
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Exactly this. We want real nice men. Not guys who fake being nice to get us and or who are people pleasers.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 06:43 PM

A man's chore doing ability and or desire to keep it equal, isn't something you can prove or hold him accountable to until yall are alreasy moved in together. And that's a lot of steps to figure out if a man is able to upkeep his end of things
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 06:17 PM
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Yeah, but the thing is, opening a conversation in public is not strange or unheard of. Its fhe continuation of said conversation that the receiver has made very clear they don't want it to continue that makes those conversations uncomfortable A man trying to have a conversation? Not weord at all. What's uncomfortable? Is when the other person keeps teying to have a conversation I shut down. I don't find a man approaching me creepy. I find him creepy if he keeps asking me or talking to me after I…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 05:56 PM
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Ok, amd in general, women all have a different desire for men. When you embody the masculine man that that niche of women desire, all you will attract are those women and thus assume that is what every woman desires When you are the artsy type, brooding type etc, then you will attract those women who like that. You're purposefully attracting hyper feminine women who like hyper masculine men by pretending to be hyper masculine men, then because all the women you attract like that hyper masculinit…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 05:54 PM
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Unfortunately risk is the only way relationships can happen. Man is vulnerable and risks things. Woman is vulnerable and risks things.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 04:38 PM
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At social places. Places meant for socializing
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 04:35 PM
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Most men don't date intentionally to get a relationship though They date in terms of "i always start off casual so I can at least get sex, amd if I like her amd we get on then we can see if we want a relationship" As a woman that dating strategy sucks for us and makes us feel lonely. So, its best to only date intentional men who date exclusively to find a long term partner who also doesn't want a casual relationship in the meantime. Hence why only men who approach you are this way. You aplroachi…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 04:16 PM
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And fhe only solution on the women's end is to make the man wait for the reward to test if he is actually a good/nice guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 04:14 PM
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https://www.irwinirwin.com/why-do-women-initiate-divorce-more-than-men/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/social-instincts/202506/why-women-are-more-likely-to-initiate-divorces-than-men/amp
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 04:11 PM
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Approach at places meant to socialize. Not places where people are completing a daily errand or goal that is not about socializing. If you see a woman reading ,studying, on a run or a walk. Best to leave her be. If youre out clubbing or at a bar or a social venue and see a woman, its much better and more acceptable to Approach there Like if a man approached you in line at a grocery store to just ask you a bunch of personal questions versus starting a conversation with you at a bar, it'd feel way…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 04:07 PM
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This is exactly it. I don't like the idea of being approached on my everyday path because I knlw the men know I am doing that route daily. They know my grocery store. Must know about where I live/what area. So, if I say no, and they are aggressive they have more means to be stalkers or harass me. Hence why it makes me nervous and uncomfortable But if I am out and about in a social space the whole point is to socialize. I am not sure why the red pill men don't really understand that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 04:05 PM
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Its not tje only factor. But men tend to not file divorce because they're the ones who quiet quit and thus the women is the one forced to file the papers, even if the man initiated the divorce via backing out of it in action and even separation
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 04:01 PM
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Yeah, sure. But as a woman, being with men can be way more lonely and worse than being single For a lot of the lonely women, opting out of dating makes them feel better. Since a lot of men tend to try and stop feeling lonely by having casual sex. So, our desires end up being mismatched. So, just not approaching is the best course of action, since it guarantees less overall loneliness. Because the source tends to be... well, men
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:59 PM
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The thing though, is that a man who does everything in his life to attract women ironically becomes one of the least attractive type of men. As a woman, I see the men who have catered their literal whole lives to be attractive to women. This means they see their mere existence as a huge sacrifice towards you, the woman. Ie, he chose his career based on being attractive to women versus getting a job that brings him joy. So, he sees his career as a thing you should and ought to be thankful for as …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:57 PM
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Of course not. But a good personality doesn't mean "good" like superman. It means socially adept enough for us in terms of we can open up to them emotionally and also enjoy our time talking to that man. If you are unable to carry a conversation with us, then you don't have a "good personality" But that doesn't mean you're a bad person. Just like someone with a bad taste in fashion may be a really great person If you're like the worst conversationalist but the kindness man or woman on planet eart…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:48 PM
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No? I am just saying as women we are always blamed for if the man hurts us. So, why would i risk even more social shame and embarrassment by being the one who approaches as well As the woman we are held responsible 100% of the time if a man does literally anything shitty to us. So, why would we invite more of that in?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:43 PM
3

Exactly. Women file for most of the divorces because the man is incentivized to not file for divorce because he will get more put of it if she files.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:42 PM
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Yeah, and that lonely woman will realize being with men who only want sex makes her loneliness worse and thus prefer to be lonely single than lonely because the person you are with doesn't actually care about you as a whole human being. Women are aware casual sex is the cause of deep seeded psychological loneliness of feeling misunderstood and replaceable. So, we don't feel that inclined to partake
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:39 PM
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That's the issue of men then. I am not out here picking men to reward or grace with my mere presence I want to build a bond with someone where we know and understand each other deeply and moreso than anyone else and love each other. This cannot be done if I am a walking g talkkng reward system. Shit men will pretend to be good to get the reward And thus we end up in a loop where the assholes get rewarded and the honest and direct men don't And that failure lies on the fact that you expect us to …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:36 PM
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But desire only goes so far. Once she desires you and likes you enough to have sex, thats the highest it can get if there's nothing else between the two of you. And there will always be another man she desires equally or more, who is more compatible and emotionally interested in her than you are. Lust gets you in the door, but doesn't make her want to stay Since we have so many options for just sex we don't need any 1 man for good sex with a hot man. There has to be more to make us want somethin…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:30 PM
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But this is the issue. Is it am expected to break my rules for the man i like. When if I refuse to, I don't like him enough. But the rules are there for a reason To me that's such a toxic way to test if someone likes you. "Make yourself uncomfortable to please me" If i expect a man to go broke for me, to prove he liked me, wouldn't that be seen as shallow and manipulative? Oh, you have $600 in your bank account right now, and you have a rule not to spend it all on dating? Well, break that rule a…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:27 PM
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You want to be wanted in the specific ways you wanna be wanted. Some men care most about wanting to be sexually wanted and thus as women, these men are to be avoided in terms of serious dating. As being liked is far mote important for them than them actually seeing if they actually like you Meaning they will do all in their power to be liked by you and then and only then, asses if they like you back, as a person. The healthiest relationships are when both people explore if they like each other o…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:25 PM
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45% physical and 55% other things. Its nearly 50/50 but how he cardies himself is the most important thing to me Good looks may get your foot in the door, but being good at sex, funny, and nice and a good cook will over throw any physical qualities I'm not 100% about
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:22 PM
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The issue is those men may just want sex. And that is never the solution to loneliness. We want men who want to get to know us and bond with us. And that's already rare as it is, and even rarer when we are the ones approaching And if anything goes wrong, I am doubly going to be blamed for it because I am also now the one approaching.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:20 PM
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This sets up the framework that women are rewards for men and their ability to not cause harm Why is it my job to give men who aren't shit people a reward? It makes me feel gross and like a state sanctioned prostitute If you cannot be good without women policing you, youre not and have never been a good person. If you're only kind to me for sex. Then I genuinely hate you as a human being. Its such a turn off and an ick that I would probably freak out if my partner turned out to be this sort of m…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:17 PM
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I think red pill men and the lot can't help but make it into basically a game like fantasy football where the analyze the stats and do things only in hopes of getting something I have dealt with men like this... where every conversation is a tactic and not a genuine bid to bond and form an attachment with each other Its always "what can I say or do that will get her to stay/choose me" vs "oh, I like her. I wanna get to know her and bond with her and hope she wants the same with me" And then as t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:14 PM
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I have the opposite experience with men. They would always love to ghost or "quiet quit" relationships by basically being a bad boyfriend until you decide to end things rather than communicate as things arise and or communicate they want to end things. It gets really annoying because men tend to never wanna be seen as the "bad guy" in every situation so they always force you to have the heavy and risky conversations
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:10 PM

Yeah, its a shit mentality, and I think a subconscious knee jerk reaction from women We are told it so often all the time it has become like a well, ok? I guess that's true enough, and they start spouting it even though they know its a shit idea cuz its like "just be happy" "just don't be lonely" all that type of advice is moot
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 10:13 PM
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Well, yeah... if they can't learn to do basic things by themselves If people need to live with someone else for their basic needs to get met and for the basics of their home to be liveable then none of those people are independent and they are not choosing a partner out of love but are settling due to literally not being able to survive on their own
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 10:12 PM

Yeah, but in reality, you don't have to be with all the women yall complain about. Either way, the whole "choose better" sentiment is just a shit sentiment
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 10:10 PM
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Very few men know how to do that. Especially city slickers. Where i come from, men and women have a pretty good knowledge of home repairs. Its just that A) men tend to not know how to do traditionally feminine chores and B) Some men need to feel needed and so we women are taught to pretend not to knlw how to do shit because these men need to feel like they are contributing to the household Personally, I believe in all men and women having basic living skills. Should we all know landscaping and d…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 09:42 PM

I think women are largely saying that as more of a subconscious backhand to the ever popular "just choose better men" Its the advice we are given like 80% of the time, so I think we have sort of internalized it and are now asking the men who complain about their dating woes, "well, why aren't you choosing better"
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 09:38 PM
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I agree. As an individual though, I am just not into "masculine" type of dudes. I like men I relate too and those hyper masculine men just are not relatable to me. And certain aspects of masculinity and upholding it in almost ritualistic ways and the fear they face in not being perceived as manly... gets on my nerves sometimes. Like my dad refused to drink some drink cuz he thought it was like a gay mans drink (it was hard cider) I love my dad, but imma be real, I am much closer to my mom. And t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 09:31 PM

I guess i meant the general you. As in like, men in general need to get over sex and relationships and pursue and care about it less And they really need to decanter women
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 09:03 PM
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I mean, but how come she can't google it? Every time something is broken with my shit and my bff (who is my roommate) we google it and figure it out. It seems like your gf has a low IQ and doesn't know how to go "this is broken. The next step is to fix it. Let me go figure out how to and if I get stuck as someone who knows, or hire someone" Maybe not a low IQ per se, but definitely hyper dependency that you probably feed into since you never force her to be independent Like what happens if you'r…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 09:02 PM
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I definitely judge men individually and not on the men in the past. But there are enough men who like to uphold the past things when it benefits them Do you think slavery ended? Or did it just migrate to prisons and foreign laborers? Systematic oppression for women has move laterally as well in many aspects while also being improved in lots of places People want cheap and free labor and they need workers. Best way to do this is slavery and having people believe they need to have a ton of kids. P…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:59 PM
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Most men don't have narcissism. Are most narcissistic people men, yes. But most men are just emotionally stunted due to not being raised with enough care for social success
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:40 PM

Yeah, and that's disordered thinking. Maybe not anything specific, but lacking empathy and being overly selfish is definitely part of somr mental or personality disorder
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:39 PM

I think what they are trying to say (they can correct me if I am wrong) that if incels or certain red pill men are so obsessed with sex and relationships then to them its "magical" or whatever Sex and relationships is on such a high pedestal for men imo. And they need to value it less
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:36 PM

Imo, you should just care about sex less. And not put it on a pedestal
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:32 PM

This, we are seen as some gatekeepers of sex, and often times their own feelings of being valued or having status Ie, them getting sex makes them feel desired and like they have "it" (or what makes women like men) and therefore that opens doors with other women and other men So, its also not just gatekeepers of sex, but some weird internal feeli g of self worth So no sex no self worth. And they get angry at the women and act like its selfishness on our part. Like we are all supposed to give our …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:32 PM
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I guess the angry side of me is to say to men what men have always said to women "choose better women" As women, we see the obvious tactics other women use on men and wonder how on earth can that man be so fucking stupid. And that's how men see us. They see us being strung along by a man and see it as obvious Red pill men tend to want to say women like these "bad" guys who string them along and overlook red flags cuz of her attraction for him but men are just as, imo, if not MORE than likely to …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:29 PM

Sounds like you have a personality disorder there
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:22 PM
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Sounds like your gf is kinda immature tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:17 PM
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No, I totally understand. The patriarchy forces men and women out of their human emotions. Its sick
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 04:42 PM
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Nobody said to coddle them. But there is a way to encourage people to be better than just saying they are basically children who need therapy. Would you be responsive if someone said that to you? "You're a child woman who needs therapy cuz of your toxicity" its not helpful. I want men to get help cuz I want them to be happy and free from the patriarchy and not because I think they are dumb little child minded people
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 04:42 PM
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Sure, but women aren't allowed to be emotional either. We are constantly criticized for it and told we aren't able to be leaders or politicians due to us being "emotional" despite that being mainly men. We also suffer from people expecting us to be "hard" but are called emotional anyway and opressed for it
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 04:17 PM
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Well, maybe its cuz of this attitude. I absolutely think lots of men are emotionally stunted and need therapy. We can acknowledge this without calling them names. Men were neglected as children in terms of emotional control and regulation. And need help. But as adults it is their responsibility now and no one else's But actively calling them man children is offensive. Yes, there is toxic masculinity but wanting to adhere to masculinity as a man is not toxic as long as you're not harming yourself…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 04:15 PM
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I don't think i know more than god? Again, its just an analogy. The point of conversation is not employers being perfect at hiring. But the fact they still do have to vet for basic things by doing a background check and figuring out the past to a certain degree of the potential hire. And we women have to do this too. Knowing a person's past is pretty vital. I personally don't mind a man with a past, but if there is a clear pattern in his dating history. That's information I will use on making th…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 03:52 PM
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He could have sure. But its more telling to have a guy with only hookups and flings and a large body count indicates the inability or a lack of desire for a long term relationship Its not the only thing to look at to see if he is abusive or not But its just a way to explain why high bldy count men with 0 relationships is unattractive
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 03:41 PM
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What? Its an anology. Not a direct thing. Of course men are different than us hiring a Canada year for a job. But we have to vet men properly to avoid the risk of being in abusive relationships or getting with a shit man. Because without that process, bad men exist and will take advantage of an oppening
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 03:40 PM
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Think of it as a man on hire for a job. If he has 3 or 4 long term jobs thats a good sign. But if he has 200 or so odd jobs and has never really held down a job? Yeah, bad candidate. Red flag.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 05:01 PM
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No? I mean if I want a nerd, I don't want a guy pretending to be that just cuz he wants me. Of I want a jock, i don't want a guy being that when that's not naturally who he is
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 04:52 PM
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This is a very niche sub reddit Most men aren't like the guys here. Like 99% of men are well adjusted, average, and normal and get laid and have gfs and wives or are happy single. You are asking a bunch of very argumentative people why aren't ppl irl like us Most men I come accross do not dally and partake in the discourse of gender and sex. Its a niche thing Most people aren't really considering in their day to day lives, especially when working or just going on about there everyday bs
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 03:18 PM
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I don't want a man who fights to be the perfect man for me. Or struggles. Or basically pretends to be what he thinks I want That bypasses the whole concept of compatibility I want the perfect man who is naturally that man, but still puts effort in being the best version of that, as much as he can I do not want any man doing the whole "I'll figure out what type of man is your perfect man then be that man until I get tired of pretending" bit I want the man i want who doesn't have to force it
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 03:14 PM
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So, I am shallow if I judge him on looks alone, but if i judge him on his merits and who he is, I am somehow also a problem because I actually care ablut who he is beyond his face and body and may find that attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 08:02 AM
1

Exactly!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 07:56 AM
1

I think casual sex should be avoided tbh. Because for women casual sex is a far worse deal for us than for men
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 01:58 AM
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I have as much sympathy as I get. I try to understand bit sometimes people talk to me as a woman as if I am personally responsible for their problems and life issues and they go on and on abojt women this. Women that. And they even bring up tje government involving itself into men to make dating easier for them. Ie, undermining my right to choose or not choose the men around me via the law. And hearing about men talking about taking away my right to vote. And thats where it ends I understand lon…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 05:54 PM
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Right? Like once they get to the US her man making 40k and she sees the hot men making 100k plus a year who are more socially adept... like ok, goodbye husband
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 04:46 PM
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Im from an area with this type of dynamic. The women get the money, Greenland, children, then just never really interact with the man. Raise the kid basically with 0 input from the father. No one in the family likes the dad. And sometimes those women even just leave. Like not a divorce. But they get a job, save cash. And take the kids and just leave. And the man low key can't really do anything about it, cuz legally she can leave. Only thing he can do is ask for custody, but let's be real, these…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 04:45 PM
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Also, if women were given priority for immigration men would claim "sexism" and fhen try to dismantle the system they tried to build for themselves to get access to these women Like oh, yes. Prioritize women coming over. Oh, shit. Only women are prioritized over men in terms of migration! That's so sexist! This needs to end
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 04:42 PM
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This views women as a resource akin to water and food and shelter and is asking the government to allow regulation of women for men as if they were a resource/good/commodity
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 04:39 PM
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Most men don't like an easy woman, because his thoughts are "if she is so easy for me to get. That means she was this easy for all other men before me and will be this easy for all men" its an insecurity thing. Men dislike thinking their woman can and will easily be swayed or encouraged to leave him for another man
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 04:38 PM
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Do you disbelieve we live in a society and see society as a left wing talking point? This is why people have a hard time with right wing people. They will disagree and ir not understand a concept and declare "its left wi g bullshit" Society has existed since the dawn of time. Animals also have societies. A pride of lions are their own society A culture exists within a society. Culture influences the society and society influences the culture. You deciding that society doesn't exist because its a…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 04:36 PM
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Men treat "easy" women very badly. We get shamed for giving it up too easily. And our consent, if easily given to one man, must mean we are consistently expected to put out easily for all men afterwards. And this gets used in a court of law to defend rapists "she gave Bob sex really easily, but wasn't giving it to me, so I felt like she should have treated me fairly and given me that same access"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 04:32 PM
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Then tell men to see easy women as the preferable norm. Because men treat "easy" women very badly
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 04:31 PM
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But they are getting that far, since they immediately expect sex...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:49 PM
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Yeah, but when they do, they care most about sex and least about emotional connection Cuz for most of these men here, sex trumps relationships and love and companionship
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:42 PM
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You keep speaking about law as if that exists outside of society Society is what we exist in, like it or not, and your "law" only exists inside of this society. So, you can't say anything about the equality of man and women in law without recognizing that that "law" exists within a society. And that the "law" changes depending on the society.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:40 PM
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No, men despise "easy" women The term "easy women" is an insult Because men think women who make it too easy to get are insecure, low effort, and undeserving of love and romance Only the women who expect men to put in effort get that effort. Men disrespect the concept of an easy women cuz they enjoy the ego boost of proving themselves to women and "earning" it
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:39 PM
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But it isn't because we become labeled as being easy. Men like challenging women a d hate easy women
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:37 PM
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But I don't want a man with no boundaries. I want a man who isn't just doing things to impress me/to get me Because once he gets me he will suddenly start having boundaries he didn't have before. He will suddenly stop putting in the same effort, stop buying everything. A man who over does and gives in the beginning means he is allowing himself to give everything up to get me. And that's not a sustainable amount of effort. In 3 months, he won't be able to handle not having or enforcing any bounda…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:36 PM
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This is so bizarre to me as someone who hates texting. I can really like a man, but I fucking hate the shallow check ins like. If I say yes to a date or initiate one, you should know I like you But guys wanna send good mornings/good nights/ how are you doing. That are like so annoying because I end up having to play a game of reassuring the men i like them and am attracted to them in ways I find loathsome But my best friend likes that type of communication But for me, its like small talk. Textin…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:30 PM
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But they don't and they actively seek sex over connection the vast majority of the time
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:23 PM
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But we don't? That's mostly men. Men are tje ones overlooking red flags and sleeping with a bunch of women they hardly know cuz she is hot enough Women face more risks so we are naturally more selective And yall also are mad at women for treating you on a personal level like we don't trust you If you as a man is telling me not to trust men, then its further proof yall as a sex is dangerous and to be avoided until fully approved as non toxic Which means the men who are not skilled will be deemed …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:22 PM
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And why aren't men suited for parenthood? Do you think them less capable of loving and bonding with their children So, you think women are better at being single parents? And if men's only role is providing for the family he is responsible for, what use is he if the woman can provide for everyone and be the parent and care taker of the house? It seems like to you, a man's only pirpose in society is having a job, and yet jobs are not natural What is his natural purpose? For in a family, do you re…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:19 PM
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I am asking outside of god. Do you think men and women are worth the same thing to the law and society?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:15 PM
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But tje red pill guys here want to have sex on the first date and expect sex as proof of desire, before any emotional connection is formed The men here often don't care about the emotional bonds of dating and care most about desire for one another Which is a sure fire way not to find a good long term relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 01:20 PM
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I am asking you this. The definition of equality is whatever you want. Do you think a man and a woman are equal to each other in worth and value and deserve the same rights and social standing/value And if the answer is yes, do you believe women and men are equal, but destined to different roles due to their sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 01:16 PM
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Yeah, and this is why women are stepping out if dating. Its a huge gamble of high risk and little reward
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 01:12 PM
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I am genuinely curious, do you believe men and women are equal? And do you believe men and women have innate roles because of their sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 03:38 AM
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Exactly. The idea of hierarchy is such a hard thing to let go of. You can find yourself benefiting in the middle or lowe rungs, and you might, when in those positions, not desire any more power, but do not want to lose the power, safety and structure, even if holding up the structure, causes others to suffer for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 03:33 AM
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But the solution we are told by a lot of men about the loneliness epidemic is for us to lwoer our standards and to settle and to act liek government issued girlfriends And for the being a victim? Do you think women are treated kindly? Most convicted rapists don't get prison time. You see women get abused, raped or murdered and its always "what did she do to deserve it" "what's his side of the story" "what was she wearing" Our society, in general, hates victims. The only victims people care about…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 03:31 AM
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Feminism is such a broad movement that there are plenty of parts of it I disagree with. For example, I don't agree with trying to rebrand being financially supported by a partner and not working as feminism, nor do I put much stock in the whole "feminine energy vs. masculine energy" framework. I believe in equality, which means men should be liberated from patriarchy too. The problem, in my view, is that many men don't recognize how the system restricts them because the same system also grants t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 03:19 AM
1

Yeah, sure. Lying about your intentions works. And it works with everything and not just dating Just cuz it works doesn't make it ok
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 11:19 PM
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Oh, absolutely, we do want your intentions honestly Because if you express desire for just sex and that's not what i want. It saves all of us time. I can't stand when men can't express what they actually want from me He either doesn't know what he wants, so waste of time Or he knows what he wants and isn't telling me because he is afraid I'll reject that Either way, these men have a huge tendency to be very indirect then complain when women say "i am fine" when she actually isn't fine. They are …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 10:18 PM
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No, he'd be good at spotting danger and red flags, but as a man, much more likely to ignore it for the benefit of sex and attraction of said person. Because he is used to being the physically steonger and more powerful one And he would translate this frame of mind as a woman with the attraction for men, but with the mind and mentality of a man He would assume, overlooking red flags would be just as easy and beneficial as a man ignoring the red flags of a hot woman As a man with a woman with red …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 04:13 PM
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I mean, if that's what you want yeah ok. Just like some women just want walking ATMs As long as the other person is aware and ok with the objectification then imo its not morally wrong What is morally wrong is if men and women who want a bangmaid or ATM trick the people they are dealing with to think they actually love or are attracted to said person when they aren't. If a man is ok with being used for his money and knows she doesn't love him or find him attractive, neither person is immoral If …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 04:07 PM
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My point is OP wouldn't be able to handle the bad men who are attracted to him. As a woman with a high sex drive, he wouldn't be able to handle the type of pain and vigilance it takes to be a woman And thus, like a typical man, will overlook red flags if the person is hot enough and thus he'd end up raped, abused, or killed because he would ignore red flags for sex Because a lot of men do that. But with women its less of an issue since the women with red flags are much less likely to be able to …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 04:03 PM
1

Yeah, but the bad men cut in front of the good men and are aggressive about it Imagine a line for idk, a celebrity amd you want an autograph. 3 dudes cut in front of you, then abuse the celebrity to the point the celebrity stops the autograph signing and all the good guys in line aren't able to participate The celebrity is attracting all those people, but the few bad people ruin it all for everyone because they are much more likely to cut in front and yell and be aggressive and taunt the celebri…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 03:50 PM
1

He would attract everyone, including the worst of the worst who will be aggressive with him and be entitled with him. Confront him on the street and be rude and mean to him just cuz that man is attracted to
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 03:38 PM
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Lying is worse. To me that's taking away my informed consent If I would say no with the truth, then withholding it or lying about it, is not actually me giving consent and in my head, I didn't actually consent At least a woman being paid is consenting to it
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 02:08 AM
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Someone who can honestly and directly tell me their intentions with me, and not lie about it or tell me what they think I want to hear. And someone who isn't afraid to go for what they want, but also knows how to say no to me Basically a guy who isn't trying to do literally everything he can to try and get sex from me. Someone who knows what they want from me, asks me for it, and is ok if I say no.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 02:05 AM
1

It is because in those cultures women are still at the bottom and unable to get as many resources as easily and freely as the men, thus have to depend on the men to get their basic needs met. In places where women are able to equally acquire resources they have less need for men for their basic needs to be met. So, women will believe men are providers because they sre the ones in control of the provisions. Why does a serf follow his landlord, and may even believe the power structure between them…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 02:03 AM
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No, its lying and manipulation you're trying to rebrand as adapting to make it seem less bad "Using men for money isn't manipulative, its adapting"
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 01:53 AM
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If the reason is homophic, yes. The main thing about it being homophic vs just preferences is wjen you announce to others you can't date that sexuality or whatever And my friend says she doesn't wanna date bi guys cuz she thinks "well, he's gay and I am his beard" when that's not true. That's a homophic reason not to wanna date a bi buy
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 01:52 AM
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Yeah, its called homophobia or biphobia As a bi women I face my own brand of this Especially wjen every man assume I want a threesome with a woman, and expect me to ask my best friend for a 3some just cuz I am into women, despite her being very straight The constant expectation from men is that as a bi woman, I shpuld be up for all of the kinks known to mankind. Yet, I hate 3somes
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 03:45 PM
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Yeah, and most women date at their level or higher. But are also ok with, if they are high income earners, dating down. Whereas men seek to consistently date down and below them financially
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 03:42 PM
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Most women don't care about a man earning less than her as long as he isn't broke or a leech Like the vast majority of women with jobs are self reliant, so, having a man who also is self reliant is nice. Because if I am able to afford my lifestyle, I don't want to have to give that up because I am financially compensating two adults now
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 02:54 PM
1

The majority of women in good relationships have partners who are simply kind to them. And it is crazy cuz you'll be talking to your friends and they talk about the things they dislike about their partner Lack of consideration. Lack of care and emotional foresight But then be like "oh, well... at least he is nice to me" Women are definitely settling. And its not about looks. A lot of women have chosen to settle for a partner because he is attractive enough and nice enough, but still fails at act…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 02:53 PM
1

Men definitely care if the woman is earning more than him A lot of issues is that there are men out there who need to date down with women Red pill men constantly talk about hypergamy in women but refuse to acknowledge the reverse. Where there are men who desire their women to be less intelligent, less independent, less capable, less attractive, and less ambitious, and less financially secure than him, so he can maintain leverage in the relationship and be the superior one between the two
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 02:34 PM
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Its crazy you are proudly saying that lying and using manipulation to get sex from women is a male trait. Like, how do you not see why that makes women more annoyed at men, when men themselves act like them being manipulative is a good quality they possess as "men" Its internalized misandry
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 02:32 PM
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Worse. Because if they had the mentality of a straight man, but as a woman who was attracted to men, they would easily ignore red flags due to the man's attractiveness (as they do as straight men, towards women if she is hot enough or if he is horny enough) Plenty of guys will have sex with women they dislike or who are genuinely bad people because she is hot enough, or him horny enough So, if he became a woman, this mentality would get him pregnant, abused, filled with STDs and ultimately fucke…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 02:30 PM

Comparing drinking alcohol to mental cognition and disability is wild But yes, there are some women who are too mentally disabled to consent to sex. Either because they can't communicate clearly and or because they are impaired and don't actually what sex is and what the risks are for it. Its not a black and white thing. Plenty of disable people can consent to sex, but that doesn't mean there aren't disabled people who can't consent either. Disabled and the elderly are some of the most common vi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 02:20 PM
3

Good is overused. The majority of humans are average Not bad. Not good. Just neutral Very few people are actually good or bad
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 02:17 PM
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Idk, id feel pretty insecure if my partmer did not cum and try to make my partner cum as much as i could
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 09:38 PM
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"Meat market app" If that's how yall see being on online dating apps, yall can't really blame us for leaving in large numbers, cuz wtf
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 07:08 PM
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Most average women will date average men. Most women are ok with dating men with less than them as long as they aren't broke The issues arise, because its actually men who feel insecure in relationships where the woman is the breadwinner, when the women don't care at all
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 06:31 PM
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Yeah, and the majority of women aren't making blanket statements for all of womankind. The majority of us preface that we are speaking for ourselves
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 06:30 PM
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Its insane to me that women get better at higher education and have their own financial independence and this is seen us as "surpassing men" Men are graduating the same rate as they have in the past. Their lot hasn't changed. Women just were allowed freedom and we excelled because we were taught we had to be aggressive to exist in a man's world So, we were taught basic work ethic just wasn't enough to cut it. It's really obnoxious for men to feel left behind when women have earned their degrees …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 06:26 PM
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Then don't. Follow the advice you read online by men and good luck
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 06:22 PM
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Yeah, and yet these type of men would be the first ones lined up to say "not all men" to literally everything we say
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 06:20 PM
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Yes, and I could lie and manipulate a man for money and it would work... people are fallible and trusting. Does that make it ok? Should I lie and manipulate men cuz it works and I get what I want from them?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 12:07 PM
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You can just say "the woman i have come across often do -" Or just say "some women-"
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 11:58 AM
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Same. I'd not really care about it. Just live life, have a job. Make money etc. And maybe date if i met someone. If not 🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 04:34 AM
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Yeah, and the majority of us don't do that. Just like the majority of men aren't the ones going around saying "you know, men don't like women who-"
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 04:32 AM
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I mean sure. But this treats all women as if we are all the same. If i ask you for something someone else didn't like... and youre interested in me, listen to me, not your ex. I personally don't like getting gifts. So, if a guy gets them and I kindly express i am not fond of them, and he stops then we are fine Its the guys who, when you express your personal desires and preferences from said man, he acts mad that you don't like something another woman told him she liked A chick can say "i hate e…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 03:05 AM
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Yes, but "many" often just means more than 3 for women. And for men, they are considered normal and healthy for body counts above 20
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 05:45 PM
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I am sure we should inform our kids about all of this But there are no real celebrations people or families do for their daughters first menstruation. They just talk about it and try to mitigate it For boys, there isn't anything really taboo they go through except the possible desire to masturbate or look at porn or something Which isn't necessarily on par with with getting our periods for the first time Since it isn't a moment and not a reoccurring constant moment in their lives that is physica…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 04:30 PM
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Yeah, and what is the male equivalent of a period that needs to be celebrated The only reason women in a family may celebrate their daughters period is to ease the taboo and anxiety and shame we face over having a period. Rather than it actually being celebrated. In the real world we are shamed and embarrassed to have our period, and so some moms try to dispell this for her daughters. In some countries, women who have their periods are exiled from their home until it ends because they are consid…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:41 PM
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No, we are not celebrated by our family. Our mom just has a talk with us. Its very very rare for a family to celebrate a girl's period. As it is very embarrassing for everyone. The mother and daughter and the women and girls may have some form of congratulations... it is mainly to dispel the stigma around periods for young ladies rather than an actual celebration of a reached milestone. As periods are still taboo and hard to talk about and seen as embarrassing by most children and young teens
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:38 PM
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Yeah, cuz you (edit: general you) say men should vote for women to be harmed by other men etc for not having sex with them
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:51 AM
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Exactly! I am supposed to give them all a chance but make sure not to give the bad ones a chance, but if i ignore a guy cuz I think he is the bad one, then I am bad
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:15 AM
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Sure, but that doesn't mean i have to give people i dont want to date a chance. Because then they are going to resent me for having to "try out" and "prove themselves"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 12:14 AM
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Yeah, so I have to go on a date with every single fucking man who is interested in me. And of course, what would those men expect? Oh, right, sex on the first date...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 11:56 PM
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So, what? We give men the attention they want in order to get them to behave? Sounds like toddlers throwing a tantrum so mommy and daddy pay attention to him
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 09:06 PM
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I like men who are needy. I like passion. As long as the man doesn't believe me equal of the same depth of passion he holds because I am a womam
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:59 PM
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Ok, then men can quit complaining about being ignored by women. Since they are speaking online openly about how us treating them like a psychological danger/like they are assholes is giving them the right to be that danger/threat we perceive them to be Thus proving our beliefs right the entire time You are capable of the harm and willing to enflict the harm we believe you capable of
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:58 PM
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If you wanna live in a community you owe to the community. If i give taxes, so do my neighbors If I want to live without the responsibility of living amongst humans, then I better leave and live in the middle of a wild forest all by myself. We don't owe sex or relationships for nothing Meaning if my neighbor is a mooch, I don't owe them. Or just because I am a resident, doesn't mean those who choose how much we pay can demand i pay them an extreme amount of money. With that being said there is a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:57 PM
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Aren't we entitled to ignore men then, because they don't believe they owe anyone safety from themselves?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:47 PM
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Ross honestly has a pretty long list of moments that would be red flags in a real relationship. He was extremely jealous of Mark and repeatedly undermined Rachel's new career because of his own insecurities. Instead of supporting her when she was excited about a demanding new job, he showed up at her workplace uninvited with gifts, interrupted her workday, and made her career struggles about his fear of losing her. He also had a habit of disrespecting boundaries. One of the biggest examples is w…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:35 PM

Idk, I think the whole "male loneliness epidemic" was a bunch of people genuinely concerned with men and their loneliness to the point of shunting women to the side
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:19 AM
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Doing the same thing and expecting different results is the definition of insanity Having casual sex is clearly not validating you but you keep expecting it will one day
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 09:40 PM

Because they see us as being with a man we don't have a deep bond with and being expected to have sub par sex with that man as a logical combatant to loneliness But that's just being in a long term comitted FWB and yall may not even like each other And i am expected to have no one to talk to in this relationship? No one to go to when I am sad or hurt or feeling blue. Because that relationship would be just about sex But studies show casual sex actually increases people's feelings of loneliness B…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 04:22 PM

Right? We are interchangeable and replaceable to these men, tbus we should see them exactly the same way
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 04:17 PM

I have been hit in my lady parts, and it actually gets smoothed against your pelvic bones and has more nerves than the entire dick So, its actually hard to tell if its worse but it hurts so bad you feel it in your entire lower half as well as you're unable to breathe for a few seconds You feel it in your abdomen (but area too) and your lungs/chest But idk really how it feels for men
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 04:14 PM
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I don't think i need new date ideas all the time. I am ok with routine. But relationships are things you have to deal with daily and maintain Just because we went on a date on September 2nd, 2024 doesn't mean anything when its 2026. If you said you loved me 3 years ago, and are not doing anything to show me you still love me, why should I feel secure in the relationship? Just like I'd assume if I stopped having regular sex with you, you'd probably assume I am no longer attracted to you Same goes…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:41 PM

We do though and we actively talk about it and are constantly seeing everyone freak out about the male loneliness epidemic with no one caring about the women in these equations cuz its all about the men, like it always is
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:33 PM

Telling me that I am LARPING loneliness because I can settle for a shitty relationship sounds like you're saying I am not actually able to be lonely
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 12:02 PM
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I disagree. Casual sex is just constantly doing a very intimate act with someone who doesn't know who you are as a person nor cares about that and doesn't care about you. You and your partner are highly replaceable to each other and neither of you sees the other person. It is also statistically true that hookup culture and casual sex leads to higher reports of loneliness
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 11:59 AM

Yall don't believe we women can be lonely and expect us to listen to yall and have empathy. If you're not only refusing to give us empathy, but insist our hurt feelings don't exist, then why am I going to tske an ounce of my life and listen to you about your issues if you refuse openly to listen to mine?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 11:55 AM
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Its a symptom of a crisis, but people are focused on something that low key shouldn't even be happening. You can get teens to have friends without sex being the focus point of it It should be about how to make teens feel less lonely and not about trying to get them to have sex
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 10:33 PM
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But it shouldn't be a crisis that they aren't having sex
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 10:09 PM
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The adolescent female body is at a much higher risk of pregnancy complications cuz their bodies aren't developed enough to actually handle carrying a child to full term So, it shouldn't be happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 09:58 PM
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Well, if a guy is trying to like start and argument then thats rage baiting. I dated a guy who whenever we saw a movie or something, if he knew i liked it he would try and argue with me about why I should hate it. And if I disliked a movie he would argue with me why I should like it. And if I immediately agreed with his take, he got frustrated he didn't get that little argument in. I have dealt with quite a few men who love pushing our buttons as women then being surprised when we get angry at t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 09:57 PM
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I guess i disagree with it being seen as an emergency. Its like the hoopla around the falling birth rates. Its obvious what is causing it. Make things cheaper and more accessible amd people would be having more kids, but they will say and do anything than to solve the core issues causing those symptoms. And the concept of seeing people having less sex as an emergency is the same thing. Its a symptom of society sucking basically. And people will look at everything but the root
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 09:55 PM
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So, besides not standing for any of that, what do you actually stand for?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 09:49 PM
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You can do feet pics now. No one has to know youre a man. You can also use AI for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 05:45 PM
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Exactly! I know they just want sex and that their intentions are usually very shallow. Tbat type of dynamic doesn't make anyone feel less lonely and may amplify it to be honest Amd even in a real long term relationship, a lot of men still just lack depth to them to the point the only real thing they offer women is sex... which is not really enough for us women
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 05:40 PM
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I would say genuine curiosity. I am able to ask questions with my female friends and they answer and reflect and open up And they ask me questions and I am able to look inward, reflect and answer I often ask men a lot of these same probing questions to get to know them more deeply and they tend to gove very stoic answers or things they think I wanna hear vs the truth of who they are And then they tend not to ask these types of questions back. Its the equivalent of asking someone how they are eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 02:30 PM
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Yeah, cuz lingering me is the start. It gets me wet and the penetrative sex from the penis is the .ain't attraction. Women who aren't lesbians tend to want the dick inside of them. Yes, the stuff you listed is 100% important but a lot of that is foreplay and or also stuff you do while pounding the woman. Its obvious that most straight women want the sexual organ of the man to be inside of her sexual organ
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 02:18 PM
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I don't necessarily want a man who will push my boundaries. I want a man who will stand up for his. I also wouldn't want to push his boundaries if he made them clear I want a man able to say no to me when he actually believes in that no. (And not just saying no to act out the idea that he isn't too agreeable) But I do not like men who push my boundaries or try to rage bait me with saying random things to me they know I disagree with just to get me to debate them or something I want a man to resp…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 02:14 PM
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I would prefer relationship B. Since I also want to be able to bring up issues in the relationship I also think its good to learn how to communicate I have definitely dealt with men who feel the need to disagree just cuz they wanna show me they aren't a simp or something versus actually genuinely having a disagreement with me I hate arguing. So, if I feel like a man is trying to rage bait me, I just agree with whatever random thing he is telling me that he thinks will make me join a heated debat…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 02:10 PM
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Aggressiveness always turns me off. And i think some men think its like being dominant or something and it just comes off as aggression
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 02:06 PM
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Yes, and what i am saying is true too. There are men out there who strongly believe that the lack of sex is the root of their loneliness and that having sex or access to sex will cure their loneliness. When sex is just sex and isn't an emotional or emotionally bonding activity unless you make it. It can be a very lonely experience to have sex with someone. You can feel very isolated and depressed and still engage with sex Because you're putting on an act or putting on airs and the person isn't e…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 02:00 PM
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Because I am explaining how a lot of women feel about sex. It's just less important to us while posing such high risks. I think part of the disconnect is that a lot of men and women experience sex very differently. For many women, sex carries significantly higher risks. Pregnancy happens in our bodies, not yours. We also live in a time where abortion access has become more restricted in many places, while women have gained greater financial independence than ever before. Historically, women ofte…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 01:57 PM
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But wjen is the primary time to be socialized? Its as children and teens
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 01:44 PM
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Yes. And your post is about one symptom of it and not the root issue. Why does it matter we are having less sex? It matters that we are more lonely and depressed. If the take away men have from the loneliness and isolation we are facing is the lack of sex, then that's what we see as women and thus feel less inclined to talk to men. Since they can't relate to me about my loneliness. Because the solution to a man I am talkkng to about loneliness to? Is to have sex with them... but then I am still …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 01:40 PM
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Well, slut shaming still exists but our tolerance for it is lower. I don't want to be shamed anymore just for sex... when I don’t get a lot from said sex. Why should I risk getting pregnant, being emotionally put off when a relationship ends or he only wants sex etc when I get shamed for engaging in that sex when I don't get a lot or most of my emotional needs met from sex? I get most of my needs met outside of sex. And those needs are more pressing to me than sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 01:35 PM
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Idk. Seems like right wing ideology is actually being implemented in law. So, tje reality is is that men are still largely in charge and dominant and desiring submissiveness and subjugation of women as home laborers
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 01:33 PM
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So, the issue is people aren't socializing due to being isolated? This isn't about sex then. A lack of sex is just a symptom of the larger issue then
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 01:31 PM
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And both sides, men and women, who want to win over the other, will always be sexist. And sbitty people
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 01:29 PM

Idk, its usually the more attractive people willing to listen to me and hear me out. Especially if they are social men. A lot of them tend to have female friends who they also talk to about their general issues as women. I don't know why I wouldn't be vulnerable with the hot men I am interested in
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 01:24 PM
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Teens shouldn't be having sex imo, so this is actually good. But also, as a woman, talking to younger ladies, they are just expressing way too much risk for no reward especially when they lose respect from their peers if they engage in sex
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 01:19 PM
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Im not hating on men when I go clubbing? I am just not making out with them
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 01:07 PM
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Idk, most women i knkw who made out with women at clubs were gay or bi. Being bi myself i have kissed gay or bi women at the club. But I usually don't with men, since I feel slightly more safe with women at clubs. But none of my straight female friends regularly go out kissing women while on a nights out. Some have kissed a woman while drunk but don't usually do it again
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 12:57 PM
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This, they make themselves out to ne these overly logical emotionless robots... why would I care about the feelings of men who believe they don't have a lot of feelings?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 12:50 PM
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So, yojr only goal with being a conservative is to just stop the progression of leftism. You then have no real goal or ideals. All you have is anti wokeness/anti liberalism. Seems like you are for nothing except to be against others you don't tolerate
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 12:45 PM
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See.... if someone accuses you of being misogynistic, then it would be true. I think you might be accused of such things because you are those things
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 12:43 PM
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They have not. Men have the ability to sue for defamation and allow the court to decide if the accusations were true and to be compensated if the accusations were not true
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 12:41 PM
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He won using male tactics too... he is a narcissist. Which is, fhe tactics he use are things both men and women who are manipulative do Plenty of men also partake in those behaviors Especially since the majority of grandiose personality disorders are diagnosed in men
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 12:39 PM
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Exactly we are constantly made to censor ourselves to make sure men's egos are protected when we ask for equality or when we talk about the issues we face especially with things like our safety Why do I have to edit and censor "sometimes when I am in a public space alone and a man approaches me, I feel fear since he is much stronger than me and I have no idea if he is one of the good ones or if I am going to be a statistic today" The truth is men, and people, are scary when they are strangers an…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 12:33 PM
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So, this is about winning and not actual equality? Maybe this is why people might accuse you of being a misogynist. Are you actually anti abortion or just want to punish women for false rape accusations? There are shit women who will and do accuse men of rape when its not true. Or spread gossip about those men that's not true However, most of us aren't out here being feminists to win over men or against men I just want to be allowed to be an adult woman, able and allowed to live on my own and ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 12:29 PM
1

Most of the straight women I know don't go out and kiss women. Its not a common occurrence
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 12:18 PM
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No, its more like. Hey, going to a poor country on purpose to be the rich western guy is fucked up
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:20 PM
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If i was attracted to them and the sex was good, yeah
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:07 PM
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I mean, myself uncle killed himself, and I attempted multiple times. He had a wife and 4 kids. And I am a woman. We aren't responsible for other people's suicides One of the biggest things that happens when someone kills themselves, is someone else who knew that person also killing themselves especially for feeling guilt about it This expectation and guilt being applied to women for men's mental health would simply pass the baton of who kills themselves more
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:04 PM
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I think this is all valid, except for passport bros. Some of those guys need to be shamed
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:02 PM
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Men are not graduating at lesser rates, its women graduating at higher rates than men. Men are just as successful as before, its just the main jobs being filled are traditionally care taking roles, teachers, nurses etc etc which men don't seek anyway. So, men are still graduating at the same rate as they have always been. And the new jobs are ones they are not interested in They are just freaking out women are now more educated than them, despite nothing actually changing for them on thekr end (…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:57 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:49 PM
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What? I sleep with a suicidal man and he still kills himself due to knowing I don't actually like him... and I am expected to also not kill myself from the guilt? What about the women's mental health in all of this?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:38 PM
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Female suicide would go up if we were expected to take care of lonely men especially with the guilt if we don't do "good enough" they may still kill themselves That's a lot of fucking shame and guilt for us to be expected to carry as a eoman plus being expected to be seen as sex slaves for men to then also have to deal with having to deal with possible pregnancies A lot of guilt and shame for something we shouldn't be shamed for
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:38 PM
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Exactly, we are the same as in we want to be shown we are liked, but that varies between literally all human beings
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:17 PM
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Yeah, I mean straight men are the same way, the more I dislike them, the more they chase after me. If i lose interest, they chase me harder. I think it might be straight people problems
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 06:06 PM
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It is though? If I ask someone for a piece of gum and they deny me theirs, that's not discrimination Nor is me rejecting a man
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 05:53 PM
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Yeaj, cuz yall repeatedly say we don't know what we want and don't listen to the individual woman For example, imma do all tje things I would want, but tweak them to her preferences. Ie, not all women like flowers or gifts. I am not going to keep getting her flowers if she said she prefers good morning texts. Or whatever it is she desires to feel valued by me I have been with men, of whome when I expressed I wasn't into something but preferred something else they got mad at me and said the same …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 05:53 PM
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Its discernment, not discrimination. She isn't literally discriminating against you, she is discerning she doesn't want you
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 05:50 PM
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Hahaha true!!! I have definitely been there, never again lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 05:20 PM
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I mean, this is at least about getting women But divocrce is higher in lesbian and gay women because unlike men, they won't stay in a shitty relationship just to have a relationship. Either way, lesbians and queen women do better at getting women than men because they understand what women want, you know, being one and all. I am bi and tend to just treat them how I'd like to be treated with their own personal styles of things they feel appreciated and valued by Basically treating them how I wann…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 05:19 PM

So, what you're saying is that... women know what women want thus lesbian and bi women do better with women...?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 05:07 PM
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I didn't argue that it was correct at all. I never said modern dating is "good" I just said the mere act of being rejected isn't discrimination or taking away your rights as you have no rights to someone consenting to sex or a relationship with you
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 05:00 PM
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But sex and relationships aren't a right. If no one likes you, they can reject you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 04:37 PM
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But it isn't your rights being taken away. Since sex and relationships aren't a right
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 04:36 PM
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I definitely had to break up with my ex for being red pilled before I knew what red pill was I was 17 when I got in the relationship, he was about 19 He expected me to have a full time job, just like him. Pay 50% of everything but then expected me to do 100% of the chores I was too tired to want to have sex or work on myself and became depressed We started arguing because of the lack of sex He believed because he wasn't the epitome of attraction, so, he believed I was settling for him and thus n…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 04:08 PM
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It isn't discrimination that I reject a man for dating or for sex. It'd discrimination if I refuse to hire him, rent to him, or sell a house etc based on the fact he is a man. Legally there is no discrimination in women choosing the men they want and rejecting the ines they do not In the eyes of morality and the law, no one is being discriminated through sexual/romantic rejection as no one is owed a relationship. Thus being denied one isn't a discriminatory act Just like me not being able to aff…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 03:48 PM

Because like out of every 5 guys, at least 2 or 3 are mean about it or vulgar. Most of the attention I get, if I am not being approached, is actually being yelled at about lewd things. So the majority of the time its a negative experience
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 07:16 PM

We get bombarded with negative attention*** Edit: and some redpill men think this negative attention is better than no attention
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 05:52 PM
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That's what I said We aren't better or innate at any of these roles and the patriarchy pushes us into them anyway and says if you deviate you're not a "man" or a "woman" So, we get stuck not being able to just relax and share the roles between each other due to being afraid of not being seen as the sex/gender we identify as
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 05:50 PM

I mean, men do exactly the same thing. They complain about sluts and whores and hos and those are the women they give all of their time and attention to into getting and having sex with. Everyone says they want one thing mentally but people are attracted to sexually desirable people even if logically those people don't provide the type of stability we desire in our personal lives Dudes out here banging a woman with 4 baby daddies and isn't even remotely thinking about how he might be the next on…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 05:31 PM
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I think the patriarchy serves as seeing our biological differences and asserting rules and roles that have little to do with any of that. Yes, as women we are the ones to give birth. But it shouldn't be our sole purpose and we shouldn't be the only ones parenting the child. In the past, before nuclear families were a thing, more than just the immediate family helped raise the children. It took a village, literally. Yes, men are physically stronger. That doesn't mean they are better leaders. Espe…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 05:27 PM
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But I am asking the men who want tje government to help how they want the government to help Like how is the government going to help Youre basically answering "the government will help by helping"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 05:15 PM
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Idk, i assume he has social issues or is awkward or nervous. As someone who gets anxious, I kind of have more empathy towards that guy An attractive man who has no idea what he is doing but still confident enough to bumble his way through, make assumptions and say ridiculous things... he just seems like an asshole to me
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 05:08 PM

But we aren't consciously choosing manipulators A man will lie about what he wants from us So, that means I have to reject all men until I can vet them properly. I cannot know a man is lying until the truth comes out. By either giving him a chance or having my guard up And us having our guard up is something a lot of men gwt mad at us for But how can I believe you and trust you as a man, when if you lke to me and I believe it, you will blame me for it?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 05:06 PM
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Ok? And what would that look like. What types of policies would you vote for/back?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 04:10 PM

Men are absolutely treated well and better by men when they score. And they get higher pay and more promotions when they are seen as a family man and having a wife and kids. Whereas when women have a family, we are seen as a liability. Men are rewarded financially and socially for being with women, when if we get married we are less likely to get hired or promoted because we "might become pregnant" I knlw some women absolutely do shit on men who are virgins. But men definitely out there encourag…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 03:29 PM

We do. Unfortunately its a societal thing we have to move from. Men and women need to treat men the same whether they are vorgins or not. And people need to stop rewarding men who get women to sleep woth them/marry/have kids woth him
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 03:18 PM
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I mean some will sure. But the main goal of attention whores is to get attention. Sleeping with you will lose that attention. Cuz once you get what you were after (sex) you will stop giving her as much attention which is what she wants
/r/seduction09/06/26 01:25 PM
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Disinterest is Disinterest. Having to get it faked by her cuz she craves male attention and validation will just get you in a situation where she is doing everything to get attention as long as she doesn't have to date you or sleep with you
/r/seduction09/06/26 12:38 PM
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When did i say anything about a g-string? I am only arguing that a modest society ends up making people see no sexual things as sexual since the only time they see those things is during sex. Like in the Victorian age, ankles were considered sexual cuz thats when they were seen
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 07:40 PM
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Modest clothing is usually caused higher sexualization of non sexual body parts The more of a person's body you see only during sex, then the more its sexualized if you see it in a non sexual context. Men are shirtless in public a lot. And most women find men's chest one of the most sexy parts of them. But we are so normalized seeing that outside of it being sexual, we don't immediately associate shirtless men with sex A man running shirtless isn't being sexual A woman running in shorts and a sp…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 06:14 PM
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A woman isn't playing hard to get in this situation. She isn't actually interested in you or attracted to you. She just likes the attention and likes it on her and when you focus it on other women she will do what she can to get that attention back on her. It doesn't actually build attraction since this is all about attention. She would behave the same with every single man. And will hold out on giving sex or going on dates for as long as possible until sje realizes you won't keep giving attenti…
/r/seduction08/06/26 05:48 PM
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Idk, I go on ig and post stories but literally never watch anyone's. I couldn't give a shit. I post something then exit the app
/r/seduction08/06/26 05:39 PM
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Idk, if a man is ugly and is stupid but confident then I kind of just feel bad for him and have sympathy. But when a hot or attractive man has confidence but is stupid, I just see him as having audacity and being overly confident in a bad way
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 04:53 PM

Of course the system is still oppressive. They took our right of abortion away and are discussing ways to discourage us from voting and getting a higher education
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 02:21 PM
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Confidence without competence is just audacity
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 01:59 PM

Right? Like men are believed by default hence why there is a movement about believing women
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 01:58 PM

I can't punish people for their parents sins, correct But we can rebel against a system that oppresses us. People who are the oppressor group, whether actively or not oppressing people, see the rebels as the ones who start the war/s When the oppressed see the oppressors as starting the war with the act that their first move was to be and uphold the oppressive system The patriarchy is a system. Just like the US and Russia are war machines and often causes oppression in their military operations. …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 01:43 PM

There's a lot of peace women are expected to make with men despite us having been the oppressed party for centuries Right now women are more free now than ever and it's been a struggle to be independent and not need men for survival and expecting them to keep up with us. I think its hard as a woman to feel like men want to stop the gender wars and be at peace again. Its like being an empire and asking the rebels to make peace. And sometimes what they mean is for us to go back to the way things w…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 12:36 AM
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I think there's toxic positivity and other like things. But I'd rather be empowered than the opposite even if I don't get married because of it
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:22 PM
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Right, and they sre also only dates you can still go on a date. And reject the guy afterwards and not have sex. Like getting these men's dates wouldn't even assure sex or a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:20 PM
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How would the government help you with dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:17 PM
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But the majority of abuse comes from households
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:13 PM
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Thanks for this, as a woman! Like yall should be going out to have a fun time and meet new people vs having an agenda to fuck When a guy is asking a bunch of women out to try and get sex as his immediate goal, you can sense it. Men just looking to have fun regardless of of they get your number or not often end up with my number the most. Because they talk to my male friends, include other people and are genuinely out living life to live it. Meeting people on the way Im not sure if I explained it…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 11:45 PM

Idk, just seems like there are sluts. Nothing about your stats is about their perceived attractiveness How do we know they are sleeping with strippers or prostitutes
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 08:40 PM

So, this shows the amount of bodies men have... that's more about how men are kimd of lustful. Or a subset of men are crazy lustful
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 08:33 PM

This, if we show the evidence of women marrying a vast array of men with different races and body types and heights etc, then "you're settling for him then" Its like they want us to be severely attracted to all men... but they themselves are not attracted to women who aren't above average/women they wouldn't want to have sex with. We end up loving men who aren't youre stereotypical masculine man and they think we are lying that we aren't attracted to them... But they tell us to date our looks ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 08:22 PM
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I feel like the people telling men to approach and improve their rizz and game are other men like the subreddit of seduction... if you talk to womenz we express yes, confidence, but not to be approached and especially not to be "gamed" Yes we want confidence and flirting but its men telling men to up their game, teaching them the tricks and hacks and its women telling men to stop cold approaching us Edit: you're also blatantly confusing being and expressing attraction as objectification Most of …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 08:17 PM
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For healthy people yes. For insecure people, who feel they need to earn love or validation to feel worthy of it, they have a tendency to chase after people who breadcrumb/pull away a bit
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 06:59 PM
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Both people should. If a man likes me he should show me and if I like him I should show him right back. Because its like a staring contest right now... who breaks first loses and that's a bullshit mentality for dating. Because its about power, leverage and winning over one another versus connecting with them
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 04:45 PM
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Idk, all men i have not been interested in dating seriously. Ie me pulling away, has always caused them to do a bunch of work to try and keep me. I don't do this to elicit that response. I am genuinely not interested in those men anymore and my departure or desire to leave makes them wanna chase/pursue me a lot harder.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 04:44 PM
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I can't be upfront. Or else I am demanding ir naggy. And if i do try and communicate to some men about the things I'd like some dudes see everything as a personal attack. Its like telling a chef "I really like the dish, but I would really like some Chipotle aioli" And the chef going "i am just not good enough! You hate me don't you!!!" And then you have to calm the chef down and then go without the sauce you want until you low key are so put out by the experience you don't feel like coming back …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 04:42 PM
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Yeah, according to all dating advice geared towards men and women, they often say tje same things. Put in the least amount of interest and effort. Make the other person chase you etc blah blah blah Law of leaat effort I see the femcels and the red pill people spew the same bullshit. So, now you have a ton of men and women doing the same "less effort" tactics Which is why everyone is so disillusioned
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 04:32 PM
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Yeah, showing interest usually means putting in effort
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 04:18 PM
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When you act mildly interested in a man, but not really sold on him. They tend to try to win you over because they like the validation of feeling "chosen"
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 03:19 PM
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Same works with men. The less interest you give the more they work and pursue I think red pill men discover human psychology and then attribute some of the lesser qualities of our psyches to "female" psychology.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 01:02 PM
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Not really. Our value as women is about our purity and being desirable for marriage and having kids and being of service to the family. The more we are independent from this and the more men we date the more used and seen as unwanted by men and other people
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:33 PM
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No... I love sex, but once you make something meant for pleasure you do with your partner into a chore or duty or job you do for your partner you end up hating that activity Its like being an artist. And loving art but everyone around you is constantly demanding you draw them vs the art you want. And if you enter a job or contract you're now made to make the art for the people/person vs making the art you enjoy to make
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 07:32 PM
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No, people definitely care about women's pasts. We are held at a much higher standard especially if we make dating mistakes
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 07:26 PM
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Porn is heavily normalized... its taboo in the way sex with your wife is. Its weird to talk about, but everyone assumes you do it
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:27 PM
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I am not excusing anyone? I am philosophizing on why we see things the way we do Red pill, and men in general see women as able to get into relationships really easily if they just lowered their standards. So, of course women using AI boyfriends is seen as her still being able to get men, but choosing not to And men are shamed for being virgins and its stereotyped that men will do anything just to get sex and are super sex oriented. So, a man who could get sex, would exchange that for an AI that…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:25 PM
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Yeah, both sides are guilty of creating this narrative We women are told its so easy to find a guy if we just lowered our standards And men are told they are lovers for being virgins
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:20 PM
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I think the sexism here that hurts men is that women’s value is dependent on how little she interacts with men. We lose value as women tje more men we let into our lives. The only time we don't lose value in society's eyes in regards to men is if we married as a virgin or died before having sex. Otherwise men are seen as valueless until they get women. And the more women they get, the more society deems them as valuable men Both are bullshit ideals and ideas. I don't lose value because I dated m…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:40 PM
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Well yeah, men consume porn to the point we as a collective society assume all men watch porn. Its so normalized that a woman seeking a man who doesn't want porn is often seen as expecting too much and that that standard is unreasonable
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:18 PM
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Music for men talk about sex and ass and tots or hot women. Rap, country etc. Music geared towards women is a lot more romantic. But that doesn't mean its devoid of sexual stuff either
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:16 PM
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But they aren't sexual? A pop song may sing abojt sex, but they are much more likely to sing about love or romance. Makeup isn't sexual. Its just fun and makes us feel better. Its like men at the gym. They are working out to make their physically body look a certain way. That doesn't mean working out is sexually. And they may just enjoy the process of seeing their bodies change and get more muscular and they may enjoy the process of the workout/working out because its fun and fulfilling and not …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 03:03 PM
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Why do women, like men, enjoy sex or relationship related content? Why do men like porn and women like romance novels? Because sex and relationships are an integral part of life Men focus most on sex and women focus on the relationship aspect and thus consume media in accordance to what we desire more Men do desire love and romance but like porn since sex and being horny I usually their first concern Whereas women want to love and be loved a lot more and focused on the emotional aspects of sex a…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 02:56 PM
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Cuz people enjoy sex and relationships and its a fantasy. That doesn't mean women care most about sex. I don't really read smut or romance. But the driving force behind that media is that its a lot more mental and focused on the sexual dynamic between two people. Whereas for men its a lot more just about the sex and they do not give a flying fuck if the man and women have chemistry as long as the porn they are doing makes him cum. Men definitely are sex first connection later And women are a clo…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 02:33 PM

I like the feeling of sex with men. It's less about how he looks and more about how he acts and is that may confirm or hint the sex will be good Yes, there are men who are your pretty boys and good looking and there's all sorts of differences in what women find physically attractive. Like some women thi k Channing Tatum is got, some thing he is ugly and annoying Same thing with Timothy chalamate (or whatever his name is) Same with Cillian Murphy. There's not a one thing that makes a man attracti…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 01:55 PM
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Oh, yeah and the majority of women talk positively of the men in their lives But will still be scared with men who are strangers. Same as the analogy of the dogs. We love and trust ours but when confronted by a stray dog with no leash, we do not take the chance to see if its friendly the majority of the time
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 01:08 PM
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Idk men on every level have just as much of a chance at being shit as hot men
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 11:58 AM
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No. We do. Men don't like women without the preformance
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:20 AM
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Me too. I feel like I have to always be "on" for men
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 12:49 AM
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No? Cuz even the guys who want us still suck as long term partners
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 09:22 PM
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Idk, femcels to me feel loke they want guys but can't get them. 4b women are just, not wanting men but could get them
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 09:22 PM
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No, the women who choose to be celibate are the ones who like don't wanna date. Some women are so happy with being single they also choose not to have casual sex. Because if you don't even wanna date why get even less enjoyment and have casual sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 07:44 PM
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The issue is that men commit the overwhelming majority of these crimes. Saying that isn't the same thing as saying all men are criminals, just like saying dogs bite doesn't mean all dogs bite, or that only dogs bite. It's simply acknowledging a pattern. People still love dogs. Most dogs are perfectly safe. But if you see a large stray dog with no leash running toward you, it's understandable to be cautious because of the potential risk. That caution isn't hatred of dogs. It's a response to reali…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 07:37 PM
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The majority of women are choosing to be single. And a few are not and they are the ones who are femcels. But most women don't care about being Bachelorettes because its easier than the responsibility and work relationships take
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 07:04 PM
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Yeah, femicide happens because people are just... what? They don't hate women where they make it illegal to see the sex of the fetus due to all the abortions when they learn its a girl
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 06:57 PM
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And money isn't an attraction thing. Its a logistics thing that can make some people overlook someone else's attractiveness
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 06:28 PM
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No, he is richer which isn't physical attraction
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 06:10 PM
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Its the main thing or else they wouldn't be getting women in specific countries. Its a out the money and citizenship for a lot of these guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 05:46 PM
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Yeah, so. He isn't more attractive than the local men. He just has the means to take the women out of poverty. That's the only difference Women still find hot men attractive no matter where they are. But women in poverty are willing to settle with unattractive men to get out of poverty
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 05:30 PM
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Yeah, so. He isn't more attractive than the local men. He just has the means to take the women out of poverty. That's the only difference Women still find hot men attractive no matter where they are. But women in poverty are willing to settle with unattractive men to get out of poverty
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 05:29 PM
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I think the sprinkle sprinkle and red pill stuff are the same side of the same coin and teach the same things. Both are inherently bad imo. But red pill isn't the average woman's dating advice Its just women have learned from Red Pill that their tactics work on men as well
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 04:55 PM
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We are told not to put out because it makes us bad or bad people Men are told to act uninterested to make a woman chase him for sex vs the other way around Two very different reasons
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 04:52 PM
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He isn't above average because he is better or better looking. It has everything to do with the power of your passport and money She likes her own men better, but they are just as impoverished as her.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 04:51 PM
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Yeah. I was slapped for saying no once. People saw it and dealt with the guy. I have been yelled at and shouted down. I had a guy for 5 minutes scream at me about how I am controlling men because I am a woman. My friends have faced issues Or the very least you tell a guy no And he is like why not? And then you're like I have a boyfriend And then he is like, well we can still be friends Blah blah blah
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 04:49 PM

I agree. It works on the women you shouldn't want Like as a woman, if I play mind games, why would i want the person so insecure that those games work on them? I would want someone who isn't susceptible to that. And are not so insecure that that bullshit works Ie, they are so desperate for love that they will accept breadcrumbing and shit behavior And the stuff red pill men say gets women, also works on men as well. It's just we knkw those men are insecure and thus don't want those type of guys …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 04:35 PM

I always find them hilarious once you notice them. Because its like a standard Greek tragedy. Their fear of something causes them to do everything to prevent that fear from coming true and in the end what they fear comes true because of them trying to avoid that fate Like so many of the things I end the relationship because they are too nonchalant or doing hot or cold. Or like doing cold reads versus askong me questions. Like a lot of the tricks are like about keeping and maintaining interest so…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 04:28 PM
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Then you're not the typical passport bro
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 01:06 AM
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Ok, but if your mom is dying and you need medicine for her and your sister only eats every other day, you may feel obliged to listen to the western man and his proposition if it saves your family
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 11:48 PM
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Of course. But they like the illusion. They like the idea she likes him for him. But no one will. So, he has to go somewhere he is the richest man in the room
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 11:47 PM
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It only matters if he is knowingly exploiting impoverished women And if it is a marketplace. Youre (while I don't believe women are resources, but since you're treating us like that, I will use it as part of an argument) If women are the resources and men the buyers. You're going to a place with men and now those men who would otherwise be with those women are now... womanless. So, from a man's perspective do you see how you're now becoming the chads yall swear you hate to those men? That's the …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 11:47 PM
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Because they want a wife and children and instead of mail ordering brides they go to the country and go to poor areas and seek that Also, lots of men want to feel desired. And a woman wanting him (even if its just for money) and its not in the context of a brothel he will feel happier than going to a brothel and knowing the woman doesn't actually like him
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 11:44 PM
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Its moder mail order brides
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 11:43 PM
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I mean. One person is impoverished. One person is seeking out impoverished people. Its basically human trafficking. Youre purchasing someone out of poverty in exchange for the service of being a wife for you
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 11:42 PM
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A lot of passport bros are going to poor countries to seek out poor women because his average salary is like being a millionaire compared to tje people in her community. She then is more likely to get in a relationship with said man to escape poverty. And passport bros seek this arraignment out purposefully
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 11:40 PM
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Is he dating her cuz she is broke and would get married in order to get out of poverty?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 11:35 PM
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Women say "why do men-" and yeah, sometimes generalize But as women, when men generalize us, they call us females and lump us all together. And besides... not all men us almost always used when discussing cases of rape and murder to take away from the reality of the victims by saying not all men. When we try to express that almost all perpetrators are men It takes away from the discussion that has to happen Most violence is comitted by men. Trying to ignore that means we can't solve that Its lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 11:34 PM
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I think my question is why did he feel like he had to move to a place less wealthy and try to go for women in significantly much worse positions than him?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 11:30 PM
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Oh, so the men going to basically purchase eastern women cuz they're cheaper than western women are such AMAZING men /s
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 09:45 PM
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It seems like it. It feels like its about the act and preformance of it. Kind of like how some people like small talk and how some people really hate it. And a lot of it is cultural too.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 09:28 PM
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The men who get offended in my experience get offended for 1 of two reasons They think you're assuming they're broke Or because they wanted to use them paying for things as leverage and control into bartering for sex
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 09:27 PM
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This is normal. Not because most men do it. But because the men who do it do it to a ton of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 09:25 PM
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This is true for just western people. When i go to certain non us or British countries, men treat me way better than american men. But, chances are if you're a man moving specifically for dating reasons 99% of the time you're a passport bro. And you're doing it to be a big fish in a small pond
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 09:14 PM
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Well, that's not our fault. Thats the men we have to protect ourselves from since saying "no thanks" doesn't work anymore Saying we have a boyfriend or husband or saying we are lesbian doesn't work anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 07:57 PM
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How? I am telling you we women experience violence from men. Most of us have an experience that starts with us rejecting men in public
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 07:51 PM
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My parents are from different countries. My dad did not marry her because he knew she was cheaper than western women and that he had more money than the average person in her country. She was well off and independent. So, they fell in love because they respected each other Some men with 0 respect for some of these cultures and countries will go to these places with the full intent of choosing poor countries in order to be more impressive financially to those women in that country Men who go to t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 07:20 PM
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I have experienced it enough times to not make eye contact with men when I am out
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 07:18 PM

I am either an object or the average human being we pass everyday on the street with no notice.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 06:59 PM
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Idk, I face a much higher risk of being killed or hurt for saying a polite no. Sometimes we have to be aggressive to avoid violence And some men really do not understand that a polite no is a firm no. And the ones labeled as creepy are typically the guys who decide to ask us out despite saying no at least once
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 06:42 PM

Yeah, it sucks. I think some men wanna be the men we break our boundaries for... thus giving us women the view they don't see us as humans Because so many guys will go "but if she liked me enough, she wouldn't say no or have any boundaries for me. She would let me do whatever I want to/with her" Which is simply not true
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 06:40 PM

No? Cuz if I am ignored. He isn't using my body like a fleshlight. And I am spared the humiliation and degradation of that and the risk of pregnancy. If I am ignored I am how I was yesterday
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 06:39 PM

Yes. Men who want platonic relationship care about talking to me about me and my life and respecting my boundaries Men who want a relationship or sex have a much harder time hearing no. Or dealing with my boundaries or caring about my boundaries because my boundaries may get in the way of what they want from me I tell a man I am friends with I don't want to go on a roller coaster with him. He will be ok with it A guy who wants to fuck me or romantically date me will pressure me on that roller co…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 06:31 PM

Idk, id rather be invisible than treated like an object to be used and thrown out
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 06:18 PM
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No? Its that there are women out there who do want men for their money and the passport bros know this and go to those places. And seek out those women knowing their western wealth will work way more on impoverished women than women who have enough money they don't need a foreign rich guy to take them out of poverty
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 06:14 PM

Yes we do? Or at least used to agree to dates we didn't want to go on because of the peer pressure of not wanting to seem shallow or potentially miss out on a great guy. Turns out we were wrong. Its best to just not go on dates with those men The potential of a man is no longer worth it Because unattractive men have just as much potential as being abusive and shitty as attractive men. But we are expected to seek unattractive men out to give them a chance due to their notion that ugly or unattrac…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 06:13 PM

No, men who treat me like a friend treat me like a person. And the men who want a relationship with me (even if its romantic) just see me way less as a person I even notice it with my male friends. They treat their girlfriends and wives as less people ish than platonic female friends like me Its like their desire turns off their ability to see the woman in front of them as a human being.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 06:10 PM

Idk, men definitely get blinded from their consciousness and ability to see or care to see someone's humanity by their sexual desire. Idk what it is but some guys really struggle. And will either see a woman as human and platonic or an object of his sexual desire Rarely does a man who wants sex with me, not see me as an object And the men who see me as a human do not see me as someone they want sex with I just want to be sexualized by a man without being dehumanized by him
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 05:42 PM
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Yes? We are. Women are shamed for choosing certain men. Women in cultures where western men have come in and colonized or regularly gets mail order brides without respecting the culture... those women are seen as abandoning their ancestors and culture and people for money and or a green card
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 04:17 PM

This! Its like they literally can't see us as human beings if they have attraction for us. Only when in their own heads do they think "no, i do not want to have sex with her" do they see us as human beings Its like there's this switch if they wanna fuck you, they can't see you fully as a human being But if thay desire for sex is off, they can see you as a full human
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 04:13 PM
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Idk, its just the guys who come over and flash their westernism and western wealth in order to attract a woman versus just being normal and trying to date women without making it about the fact he is richer than all of the average non western men in the country. The men who make it about going to a poorer country on purpose vs men who go to a country cuz they like the country
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 04:09 PM
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What? I am just telling you how women from our areas see those men. They are considered pathetic and the women who are low key hookers or prostitutes or the truly desperate would get with. Because those men are for the financially desperate And we look down on them cuz they seek out the desperate women on purpose. Because they are usually not looking for love but subservience only money can buy. (They want power over the woman) and to be depended upon by these women
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 03:52 PM
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Exactly! It's really easy for women to act nice until they get what they want. Same as men acting nice to women until they get what they want from us. But of course they will complain about western women being too transactional then go across the world and impress women they see as "poorer" or "worse off" with their western Money.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 03:50 PM
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As someone from one of these countries. We do not respect men more. We just want their money and to get married so we can have a family. Or just to get your money. Especially with men from abroad. You're seen as... not wanted where the competition is bigger. You move to a small pond. So, if we get with you, we are seen as socially less in our culture. Since we are getting with men who had to move due to women at home finding him bad or not good enough. I would have to be really desperate to get …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 03:39 PM

Then don't go around saying we should be paying attention to unattractive men just cuz they might be nice. Being non abusive is not a reason you should be chosen. And I have to actually get to know you beyond your looks to figure out if youre nice And you don't want me to do that cuz you wouldn't want me to "give you a chance cuz you might be nice"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 02:53 PM

Considering this comment right here proves my point. Men are mad we are ignoring them cuz they are unattractive (but nice) but then are telling us we can't feel guilted by these same men enough to give them a chance just cuz they might be nice <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 02:47 PM

This is my point entirely We women are constantly told to give men we don't find attractive or else we are shamed and called bitches. We don't want to settle. But society constantly says we need to give men we don't find attractive due to the fact they could be nice Men here even say them, and other unattractive men are ignored despite them being nice. So, what? We are supposed to not ignore them? And give them a chance despite finding them unattractive? If we give you a chance we are bad for se…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 02:37 PM

Yeah, that's what I do now. I don't give men a chance "just cuz they might be nice" when that's true for literally every man We need to stop dating men for their potential for goodness and for who they actually are Too many men out there think they are good cuz they aren't abusive. But they are just average men and expect women to drool over them because they are the bare minimum level of harmless to others
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 02:22 PM

Exactly this. We are told to give the unattractive men a chance because they "might be nice" Some of these men's only attribute of being "good" is simply being compared to abusive men and not the fact he is actually good. A lot of these unattractive men are just as bad, if not worse. And we are told to give these men a chance despite initially not wanting to They absolutely rely on the badness of other men to make themselves appear better. But they are just unattractive men who don't physically …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 01:29 PM
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This. A lot of the men who say women are only lookimg for looks are the same men who just want sex and aren't looking for anything in women beyond her looks
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 10:42 PM
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Women are understanding how men operate at younger ages since we have access to online and older women's stories Musicians have been drilled into our heads as the number 1 fuckbois. So, all they offer is sex. Which is what all men offer us.
/r/seduction02/06/26 10:39 PM
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Ok? And is attention bad or is being bothered because someone notices us that is bad. Punks get more attention. A woman dressed in full Mormon gear gets more attention. As long as you don't harass those people
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 10:33 PM
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It dependa on how taboo sex is. People in the Victorian age used to go wild over ankles In places where women are regularly exposed there's a lot less overtime sexualization of her just existing The more covered women are as a society. The more our bodies are only seen in context of sex and porn. So, when those body parts are in pu lock they are sexualized Like ankles in the Victorian age
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 10:06 PM
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The patriarchy is about men wanting to control the resources so women have to choose them and be with them so they can have a family in order to pass along said accumulated wealth But when women are able and allowed to choose based on what we want. Less men are chosen to pass on sperm and wealth so, they feel the need to make themselves the provider of basic necessities in order to get women to comply to their wishes and a society built around wealth gain and management vs children and prosperit…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 09:36 PM
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Sometimes men are sexist about their critique. And I am sure from time to time women are too. I think there's also a nuance of critiquing the system versus the sexes. And understanding we are all players to a game not invented by us as individuals but the patriarchy
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 07:35 PM
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No, I feel like it's cuz there's no point to you beyond sex for most of these women. Like they have you figured out. To them you're another asshole player musician out for groupie sex. To women that is... well. Unappealing. Maybe make it seem like you're more than what they assume you to be.
/r/seduction02/06/26 06:34 PM
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From a woman's perspective. Sounds like you're a guitarist. Nothing good comes from musicians. Just like the clout, don't need sex from the band members anymore. Just need to be seen with them
/r/seduction02/06/26 06:10 PM
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You can talk about your woes of dating as a man without saying women need to lower their standards or to say things like "choose better" when hearing about a case of abuse I talk to plenty of men and women about dating and they're all able to express their issues without being sexist. People have a tendency to be selfish. Men and women. And when you understand this you can sympathize with men easily about dating when they make it about the individuals With dating as women, normal men can underst…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 05:51 PM
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This sounds like "I can't complain about women without being called a misogynist" Sounds like youre probably saying misogynistic things I have normal conversations with men and women about their struggles dating men and women and they are able to vent their frustrations without being sexist
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 05:45 PM
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Yes women tend to choose "prettier" suicides because they are worried about how they are found
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 05:42 PM
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My point is. Men are very much sexual towards women in full burkas. They get just as much attention and glances and they are just as sexualkized. Same as women and virgins who are modest. They are fetishized for their modesty
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 05:21 PM
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Exactly this. I glance at people all the time. Im not staring at them or peering or trying to make them talk to me
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 03:35 PM
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Women will wear full burkas and still be hit on and harassed
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 03:35 PM
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Idk to me sex is sex. It doesn't mean anything coming from a man. Men are attracted to everything so them being attracted to me is just me being a drop of bucket in a water to them. In terms of attraction. Whereas women are more selective. So, when we choose a man for sex. Especially multiple times, it means a lot more to a man that to women Its just we as women are conditioned to care about losing our virginity like we are bad if we do. And thats the main time sex means something Otherwise sex …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 12:56 PM
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Its alright! :)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 12:51 PM
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Did i say that? I said that some people will think they are being rejected for X because of what they stereotype the opposite sex as liking. When they are actually being rejected for Y.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 05:52 AM

This is a people thing. Men do this too. We all do it. Its a very human thing. It shouldn't happen but it does. It takes our experiences as the truth for everything when it isn't
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 12:22 AM
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I dance with my friends and I dance like that when I am alone
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 11:18 PM
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We are interested in men. But when we decide to to do X. That is what we wanna go out and do. Any deviation or expectation from others that we should deviate for our goal to achieve X to give them attention can be annoying Imagine wanting to like idk, play a new video game and every time you try your partner or a hot girl keeps trying to make you give her reassurance about if you like her. It becomes annoying and the one thing you're trying to do for fun keeps getting interrupted because a group…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 08:23 PM
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I am saying some men think its their lack of masculinity or height or whatever (insert "reason") When its actually something like how well they carry themselves or take care of themselves. Its like a woman asking why men keep leaving her going "is it cuz im ugly?" (Shes a 10/10) and the issue is cuz she is low key unhygienic or a bitch or something. We all tend to think our dating troubles boiling down to some form of stereotype of what we think the other sex wants and assuming we aren't enough …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 08:20 PM
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This. So many of these guys will tell people not to generalize men Then go "well, men like women who-" Or "men don't do-" Like... ok there bud
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 07:03 PM
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No, but some men want to be lazy in themselves and expect women to be attracted to them even when they sre run down, wick looking, tired or just not trying When I am at the club I put a lot of effort to look hot as did all the other women. Even the other men. The majority of them put in effort to look good Some dudes wanna put in 0 effort and be considered attractive But if you act like you don't care I'll treat you like that (lack of caring about yourself)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 06:58 PM
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The last paragraph is true. We go out to have fun and men tend to go out to get with women. Our intentions end up then being completely misaligned when we end up in the same locations Im trying to dance and chit chat and have fun, youre trying to have sex with me. And that's just not my goal and if you're ruining my "in the moment" fun with yojr desire for future possible fun I will be annoyed Men are basically looking for a future day of fun and the woman is lookimg to have fun in the now Those…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 06:55 PM
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Idk, every tech and finance bro i have met, I dislike. Same with women in the industry. The women to me are a little more understanding. But generally its like a magnet for socially inept people and finance is for socially un-empathetic Maybe its a stereotype but I avoid people in those industries since I usually never agree with them on politics or morals and we never see eye to eye on anything
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 06:52 PM

Well, he should foster love because he loves me. Not because of wanting sex. If i am too tired and too busy taking care of his needs so I can't feel sexual then that's his fault. He needs ro be flirty and cute and wanna do things that make me feel sexy (not taking me on a date) But my man should seduce me and make me feel sexy. Versus just showing up in sweatpants and a sweaty shirt while im washing dishes after getting off a 10 hour shift and saying "let's have sex"
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 04:45 PM

Hell the fuck no. If i am too burnt out to have any desire for sex the relationship becomes worthless I have a high libido. I love sex and if I am in a relationship where my sex drive is at 0. Then its a shitty relationship. I love sex. So, if my partner is unable to foster that love for sex id dump his ass so fast.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 04:26 PM

What? But I have a full time too? Why am I the one expected to do everything at home after I get home from work?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 03:27 PM

That would help the vast majority of people who could afford that!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 03:26 PM
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I hate being chased. If I say no. And you keep trying. I will feel pressured to say yes even if I don't want to. And then will resent the fuck out of you as a man if I agree to something. Eventually get really pissed and end things in a way that would evaporate the man's ego for a few days
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 03:25 PM
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I just wouldn't date. I would do as I do as a woman. Just experience lofe and explore things. I'd also probably be able to go for a walk without being harassed for sex too
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 03:24 PM

Exactly this. If I am concentrating on dinner, I cannot think of anything else except for dinner in the moment. And then cleaning. Then taking care of kids if there are any. After those back to back to back chores, who wants to now have to shower, shave, get sexy and preform a rigorous activity? No, you wanna relax. Edit: the feeling of sexiness for women can only really be achieved if we are relaxed. So, that's it. Basically. I knkw some men like to have sex when they are stressed but most wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 03:18 PM

No. I am saying that men built a society in which they were the sole owners of land and resources and made women depend on men for basic resources and survival versus want and see and desire men for love or sexual attraction So, ot is a concept started and created by men/the patriarchy
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 11:57 PM

Well if you say "youre not allowed to make your own money to afford water, food, and shelter. Only i am. You have to fuck me and give me kids in order to get access to my shelter, water, and food" Yeah, you're an ass
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 09:14 PM

Well, cuz women weren't allowed to really have her own means to have resources or get money. We couldn't own a lot of necessary things without a man singing off for it for us. Women back then had to get married for the resources because the men set it up that way "We men are tje only ones with the ability to gain or get and have resources. So, you have to marry me to get them" It's the men being shitty fucking assholes for thousands of years
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 07:19 PM

I don't need a man as an individual woman to survive like the 70s and prior. We as a society need men. And its the same reason we need women. To have children Men just made their purpose provision because what they did was hoard the wealth and or ability to generate or own land or have a job to themselves. And women had to go through men to get their basic needs met. (Food, water, shelter) amd in exchange women gave those men sex and children and a maid
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 05:50 PM
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It is relevant because I live here. I cannot support any paper abortion for men unless I know my rights are safe
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 01:00 PM
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The intelligent ones know how to be likeable to their social group They often become public figures known for good. (Teachers, counselors, coaches, priests/pastors) My ex was so kind to everyone. And would treat me differently in front of different people. Around this one guy (who was a rapist himself to his ex gf and really abusive... didn't find out until a few years later) he would try and act dominant to me in front of this guy. And he would be sweet and soft with me in private (when he was …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 02:38 AM
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If you pretended to want sex with me right off the bat low key I wouldn't even entertain a guy like that cuz weird af.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 02:35 AM
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