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Feel like I've spoken to waaay more strangers in parks than at coffee shops and bowling alleys etc. Bars are the obvious exception, but they aren't for everyone and are, as you point out, wicked expensive. Local charities and activist groups aren't bad, and usually are inexpensive/free to get involved with. I think most partners are attracted to passion, generosity, get-shit-donedness.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 02:32 AM
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They've got theses things called parks. Ladies love a picnic basket. It's long been known that you can fascinate a woman with a piece of cheese.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 01:00 AM
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Definitely all the weirdness abiut sex has always existed. And I'd want to say that sexuality is more objectively politicized than in the past, but it's hard to say if that's really true. As and old dude, I'll say that this political moment is different than what I grew up with and my elders agree. People in their 40s did not get more consetvative as they aged. The kids did, tho, especially young men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 09:59 AM
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That's usually on the first or second date. Sometimes the third. If there's no physical connection by the second or third date, I'd assume they are throughly uninterested.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 02:03 PM
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If they're willing to date and things go well, usually in the first few weeks, yes. (Covid was the only real exception)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 01:56 PM
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Good luck with that. Even outside the usual, "oh you don't actually seem to like women; just jerk off," advice: From a purely logistical standpoint, you must understand why this would be the case, right? Like in evolution or memetics, success is often based more on oppurtunity than merit. Being present means more oppurtunity. And familiarity doesn't actually breed contempt, unless you're contemptible. BTW, if you want to hear from both men and women, don't make it a 'questions for women' post, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 01:54 PM
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I'm kinda glad I've never dated these prudish women I keep reading about on the internet. At least not as an adult. Seriously, how regional is this problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 11:34 AM
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Big fan of Lindsay Ellis discussing the Male Gaze un the Bay Transformers movies, and how the way he films men is also pretty fucked up.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 11:29 AM
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There are people who buy instruments, vehicles, tools, games, books, records, etc to use them and collectors who treat them as investments and create scarcity without value. I would suggest that the former make better lovers, but I'm biased. It doesn't break down by gender at all, as per usual.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 11:30 AM
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I think the real conceit is that people in their early 20s are a godawful mess and anyone 30+ who would date someone in that age bracket has failed to come into their prime. Like being 23 and a mess is not a fault. It's fun and hot and exciting. But it's still kinda cooking. And I'm not saying you magically become a real adult towards the end of your 20s. But it is VERY common and easy to recognize the same old dynamic when an emotionally/executively stunted 30something dates someone in their ea…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:18 AM
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I can't tell how serious this is. Sex? Kisses? OP seems content and well-adjusted, just probably aromantic. Ain't nothing wrong with that, but probably not full of helpful perspective for most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 08:33 PM
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Sexual violence affects institutionalized men a good deal more than women. 90% of incarcerated people are men. Not arguing. As to your other points: https://www.humboldt.edu/supporting-survivors/educational-resources/statistics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_by_gender https://www.cdc.gov/sexual-violence/about/index.html So, no. And OP said rape and common definitions of rape don't reflect what you're saying. Sexual victimization is not something to be taken lightly, but it is a very broad te…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 04:27 AM
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The second example is really weird. Where are you getting that men are more likely to be raped? At least in the US, it's 10 to 1 in the other direction. Even then, the only thing close to a "whataboutism" when it comes to male rape victims is that the assailants in all rape cases are always overwhelmingly male. "An estimated 91% of victims of rape & sexual assault are female and 9% male. Nearly 99% of perpetrators are male," is the common stat, though obviously men self-report at much lower rate…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 01:12 AM
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Are you suggesting they always have been? Or that it's just that conservatives are loud? Or some other thing? /nonrhetorical
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 10:54 PM
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Oh. The democrats suck, for sure. But that's more of an entrenched old rich corrupt fuckers thing. I just don't associate this misandry with the left. I associate it with loud assholes all over.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 11:43 PM
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Does it? Mine just makes me involved in community and reminds me other demographics aren't to blame for my problems. My life is good because I was convinced to get help when I needed it and give back when I can.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 11:34 PM
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The fact that young men are becoming more conservative is pretty much bad for everyone. It's not hard to understand why and how, hut ut is sad to see zero-sum thinking getting the upper hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:04 PM
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I've mostly had to live with roommates when not in a long term relationship. Partially because I live in an expensive part of the country and partly because I come from a big family, and it's a bit more comfortable. Getting my last roommate (great, truly impressively competent dude with some self esteem issues) into a healthy relationship became a bit of an ongoing thing for my friend group. Now he's been woth a woman he met at my bro's wedding for a while. The negatives of having roommates late…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:48 PM
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When the advice is more broad about being confortable with yourself first and knowing what YOU want. Being open-minded and curious. Gaining experience of all kinds to build character and personality...folks here will say, "You bluepillers are all about vibes like that means something." But that's actually the only advice worth giving to strangers on the internet. Unless you're selling something, which is why redpill exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 11:30 PM
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Yes...feminism broke things by checks notes allowing for everyone to express their gender ina less rigid and more natural way that makes OP uncomfortable. Why would anyone want to have options? Makes it WAY harder to market to people. Men being seductive totally negates the ability or drive for women to be seductive. Women, gaining more options and access, never turn around and act magnaimously to men in a way that is analagous to whatever OP thinks chivalry is. This is all true.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:26 PM
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I think the issue is using the phrase 'men' as if all or most men feel that way. It's frustratingly prevalent, but I've got to think it's trending away. The manosphere is the backlash to the waning cultural dominance of misogyny. But yeah, the answer to OP's question is open misogynists.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 09:15 PM
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What the hell is mew? It was pretty important to me early on to figure out how to make a woman come. Took some doing. Some online stuff was a bit useful, but a lot of it is terrible advice. That said, I remember reading some of my mom's COSMOs and they had plenty of silly and bad advice, too. Experience and a GGG partner is the best teacher. Speaking of GGG, the sex/dating advice column Savage Love was full of EXCELLENT advice and that was written by a gay guy with an open relationship. Good adv…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 12:42 AM
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Top 5 were all ling term relationships of a year to like 5 years. Sex didn't drop off much. Both parties initiating. Somewhat different from relationship to relationship, but generally 2-5 days a week (depending if we lived together). Often 2-3 times in a day, esp with a day off or if we weren't able to see each other much lately. Some quickies, mostly not, tho. In shorter term relationships, we would usually have sex whenever we saw each other. Here I'm talking about interactions where one or m…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 04:54 PM
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I know you're trying to clarify, but I'm not getting what you mean by like/love. And when you say more, more than what? Do you mean what makes me like a woman sexually more, or what makes one like a strictly sexual relationship more than a sexless romantic relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:04 AM
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So, why can't we choose the women who love us AND have a healthy sex drive. Once a month? That's dead bedroom. That's red flags unless you're in the middle of raising very young children. And why label sexually adventurous and sex-positive women 'sluts?' I suppose to your question I was always looking for a long term relationship more than hookups, but I know that's a personal preference and folks go through phases. For me, a series of one night stands or flings was just what happened when I was…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 08:43 PM
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I explicitly noted 'poor' in the financial sense. And that in the middle of a pretty long screed about how of course we need laws, but currently the US legal system is largely just a tool for people of means to exploit people without. So any new punative law just looks like a potential cudgel much more than an instrument of justice, regardless if its strict etchical merit. Because that's not really what laws do here.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 10:11 AM
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Getting propositioned crudely by people you're not interested isn't validating to most healthy people. That's nothing to prove women don't get validation from sex (often seeking it out when they're depressed). I'm not suggesting the playing field is level, just that women very obviously get validation from sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 10:01 PM
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sorry, this seems to have been misplaced. I probably wrote it in the wrong field or just a glitch. it was meant to be in response to someone down thread helping me find and access ansource they were quoting.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 09:57 PM
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If the man sucks in bed, sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 09:54 PM
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Right. It's a social construct rather than a biological truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 09:53 PM
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sex is not as inaccessible as this sub makes out. And I mean to imply that the 'damage' you're talking about is commonplace. Most people seek outside validation. If you don't think women feeling valudation from sex is normal, I'd suggest you talk to more women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 04:00 PM
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This does look interesting. Do you feel that the book has a lot to say about men in general, or more about how some men are inclined/encouraged to fascism?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 03:58 PM
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men too, huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 03:42 PM
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nah...the idea was that men were reasonable and godly and caught the sexies from ladies. It's all silly, really. Men and women be horny. Pubescent boys especially. Women in their mid 30s to 40s especially. But pretty broadly.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 03:42 PM
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Do you have a link that isn't a direct pdf? I don't really want to download a random file OR google Male Fantasies.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 02:29 PM
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I've known MANY MANY women who aeek validation theough sex. Really either gender can start putting the cart before the horse. Or just not really end up caring about the horse that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 02:27 PM
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Not when the goal becomes to gain approval from other men. And the homoertoic stuff isn't always part of it, of course. But it's definitely in there. Looks-maxing and body building have these elements.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 02:24 PM
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This was also a core Christian belief for most of AD history. Women were simple, amerous creatures leading men into sin. This changed a bit in the US with revivalism and then especially with the Southern Strategy. [Men and women are both equally capable of rampant horniness, to answer the question. It does affect them at somewhat different ages, noticiably but not drastically]
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 11:04 AM
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like, you want me to go back through old threads and drum up specific examples to quote?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 01:40 AM
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Oh sweet summer child. Good luck. It is very good advice to see if you can share a residence BEFORE getting married or having a kid. Yes, there is a possibility they may be abusive, but would you rather find that out before or after you got married. I was engaged to one, and glad I realized that before we got hitched. So that asside, it is also good to know how they live and spend their days when they aren't at their best. Seriously, 75-90% of marriage is hanging out while not being at your best…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 01:25 AM
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Yeah, I'm realizing I should have put that phrase in quotes. I don't think there is a 'kind of healthy relationship everyone wants.' There are lots of different types of healthy relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 03:32 PM
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Well, this is ostensibly a sub about dating advice. But I know what you mean. A lot of men here seem more interested in the social credit of being attractive and 'getting' women than they are in actual women. This is a major hallmark of a lot of the more misogynistic dating advice social media space. Comes in a bunch of flavors, some actually pretty homo-erotic. Women as status symbols and sex as about gratification rather than intimacy (the latter you see come out a lot in the folks who say the…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 02:47 PM
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Does anybody say 'he's giving me sex?' 'He took my sex?' Beyond that, the term 'having' here isn't materialistic. I can have food or fun with a person, but that is different than giving them food, and giving or taking fun doesn't traditionally make sense. You can say I took lunch at the cafe. You wouldn't say the cafe gave me lunch. You can say I took lunch with Rachel. It was good but a little gross. So, I think it's useful to use language to investigate the way we categorize and organize conce…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 12:24 PM
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This is nurture, not nature. Read letters from civil war heroes. From the Greeks or Romans the manosphere loves so much. Masculinity looked very different at different times, often much more effusively emotional. And like, there's no shortage of men who are like that in western culture today.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 10:16 PM
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Treat it like regular fraud. Sentences and fines are different considering the factors. Misdemeanor or felony depending on the amount of money/time/work/property stolen. Cases where the victim is considered vulnerable are treated more harshly (thinking of the old Was Forest REALLY Jenny's kid's father?). Potential change to immigration status (I can imagine that one being a whole bunch of nitemare stories for everyone involved). Loss of professional licensure in some cases. Now, I'm suggesting t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 10:04 PM
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I think that it is a matter of 'thou doth protest too much," now that you mention it. For the hundreth time: 'incel' is a term coined by a self-identifying woman. Men are encouraged to embrace stoicism and independence. Even if they don't like it, they aren't traditionally shamed for it. Sometimes lionized for it. Traditionally, the opposite is true for women. I'd say the discourse right now is a sign of leveling. Women are saying fuck you to the stereotypes of 'old maid' and 'witch' and 'cat la…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 04:09 PM
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No. Tall man privilege is baked into every facet of society. In the case of professional perks it is almost 90% coming from men and was 100% for the boomers. I don't know how you'd debate that. Tall men are perceived as being harder working, more productive, and more competent by other men regardless of ability or intelligence, and this access to opportunity is a self-fulfilling prophecy. There's certainly a positive feedback loop between professional and romantic success and how a man is percei…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:53 PM
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The old Kundera gambit. "If you oppose unearned power everywhere, must you abhor beauty?" Actually an interesting question. I don't think it follows from what OP said, which seems to me to be more about gender. Also, tall men get a lot of non-romantic perks. It is impossible not to notice that tall men are put in leadership roles and treated as more adult by just about everyone regardless of merit. I do it, too. It's engrained in culture, psychology, and biology. And that IS horse shit, but like…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:36 AM
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as a weak, shy guy drowning in pussy, nah. As someone who was in highschool at the height of emo, also nah. Different women like different stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:24 AM
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no. Weird thing to assume. Are there many white-worshipping asian females?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:20 AM
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I mean, if you want to fight for the approach, go for it. Hope it works for you. Sounds hellish. Also, don't dodge the question. How many batteries?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 07:33 PM
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I like my job and employer well enough, but comparing my SO to them makes my dick retract.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 08:37 AM
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publc school teachers. shortish. white. happy with my dating life. how many siblings do you have? circumcized? how many batteries have you swallowed in your life? this is fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 08:35 AM
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God this is a depressing way to view yourself and others. Getting and having employment is a disgusting process that robs the joy and dignity from work. Why shove romance and sex into the same shitty box? And to consider the relationship between women and men as employer to employee. Jesus. Nothing about this portrayal sounds like you like the opposite sex. Can't there be one friggin thing that isn't filtered through the lens of consumerism and career?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 01:14 AM
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Feminism is a very broad church. The vast majority of feminists doing stuff where I am (New England, US) are egalitarians. And my country is currently run by backwards misogynists, so feminism is clearly still necessary. There isn't an ism that has a perfect track record or isn't fractured. But
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 09:38 AM
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I support feminism, but that policy is clearly hot trash. And the Australian Institute of Family Studies sounds like ass. Bad science and disregarding domestic abuse commited by women isn't good for anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:39 AM
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Well, after a decade of this madness, many of us have less than zero faith in a huge swath of our countrymen. At some point, you stop trying to appeal to them. But perhaps we're talking past each other, in that I have assumed the wrong things about what you meant by tradional gender dynamics. Nothing wrong with a stay at home parent, obviously.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 10:47 PM
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You can respect someone's rights and dignity in their pursuit of happiness while still thinking they are silly and misguided. That's the American way (please excuse my centrism on this, but I'm talking about my own backyard). As I say, I fully expect and accept that folks are going to think I'm silly and misguided. Make jokes about it! Movies and stand up comedies. That's fine. I'm just concerned that Roe v Wade was overturned by the same people walking around saying maybe women shouldn't vote, …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:38 AM
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I agree with your perspective on dominance and healthy boundaries and communication and all that, but I never got the sense that people here were conflating that with 'bad boys.' I think they're more talking about skeezy guys with violence/financial/drugfidelity style problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 02:56 AM
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some men. I really have a hard time wanting to fuck women I don't like.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 02:51 AM
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I like this answer. I always thought breaking people down to components missed the point. Even just focussing on physical, I remember women in my life comparing certain parts of their bodies to other women, but they were hot because of how everything worked together. And a person's energy and voice and movement really comes into this.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 02:50 AM
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Yeah! My brother just did 2 months of paternity leave at the beginning of the year. after his wife did 3. Gave him lots of time to connect with the bebe, who I have to say is one of the smiliest bundle of healthy attachment style I've ever seen (and I have a lot of nieces and nephews). He said he saw more stay-at-home-dads in the parks and stuff than he expected. So depending on where you are, this is already being normalized.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 12:26 AM
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Redpillers drastically underestimate how much real love and affection makes a woman more attractive, to say nothing of personality. Like, sometimes I catcha glimpse of my SO and I realize that she's not obviously pretty. But I think of her as beautiful and hot. I think of 1000 little features and the way she looks and smiles or noises she makes when she's excited. And she's just a badass get-shit-doner and a fucking ray of sunshine when we go out for a walk. Big heart, big brain, big curves, big…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:06 AM
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I have legit been 3-day banned from this sub for agreeing with the OP in a debate thread. Didn't know there was a rule. Never thought before to check if it was a debate thread
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:39 AM
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Absolutely this. The 'men always' posts are as bad as the 'women always' posts.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:37 AM
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I see some reasonable folks poking around here, and some generally searching young people who the internet has scared. More realistically, I'm here because I have a lot of nieces and nephews and I want to know what the climate is like in case they get redpilled or whathaveyou. This is a good place to see the talking points and playtest your responses. Occassionally makes me reexamine some biases and kneejerk reactions I have, so that's always good
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 11:11 AM
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This was my response, too. I think it comes down to what is sometimes defined as 'class values.' Depending on how you were socialized you may respect or gravitate more to the status of a celebrity, doctor, artist, scholar, philanthropist, soldier, preacher, entrepreneur, hell: drug dealer, etc. From a perspective that highly values someof these and doesn't value others, it can be easy to make sweeping gerneralizations like the OP's which sound absolutely insane, but are in fact true for a large …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 05:42 AM
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Well, some of us are here to try and give good, reasonable dating advice and take the air out of all the hystrionic hot takes. Because we like dating but get why it can be frustrating.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 04:30 AM
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But people self-identify as liberal (and conservative). But you're right that the opposing side then tends to apply the term blindly to most things they don't like.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 04:22 AM
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hell, I thought blue pill kinda just meant 'other.' Like heathen, gentile, infidel. It's an exclusionary term used by the ingroup (redpill in this case). It's more about egalitariana and communication compared to redpill because most views are. I've never talked to anyone who self-identifies as bluepill except with a good amount of irony.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 04:13 AM
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This is the answer. But I'd argue in the side of OP that anxious attatchment is more likely to evolve into secure than a avoidant is, as they're more likely to sabotage the relationship at some point.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 12:59 AM
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there must be some concrete statements that can be made about relationships. And I suppose your implication is that there are people on this sub that reject this bending of boundaries in relationships outright. And that's probably right.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 12:43 AM
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I'll never stop being surprised at the latest pointlessly gendered post here. People do thi in relationships. Men and women. It sucks, but it's not a fucking gender issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 12:06 AM
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This is almost vague to the point of not meaning much. This broad aspect of relationships can be good, bad, or ok, depending. Yes...true.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 11:51 PM
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You haven't given any evidence that connects agreeableness or selflessness or even generosity to not going dutch on a first date. Plenty of generous, selfless men are also egalitarians, feminists, and progressives. Offering to take someone out for a first date is of course a nice thing, but assuming a man is selfish and disagreeable if that's not his norm says more about you than them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 01:43 PM
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Selfishness doesn't enter into it. Are you trying to be a romantic partner or a dependent?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 01:29 PM
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bean soup?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 09:59 PM
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again, I guess I should amend that. You can get a one night stand by completely changing yourself and/or outright lying to women. Again, just seems like it feels really bad. But it's more fun and gratifying to do it while being yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 12:09 PM
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(cough)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 12:01 PM
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Oh, one night stands are way easier to get if you have a proper sense of yourself. I think redpillers would agree a bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 11:41 AM
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there's always an audience. Most comedians will yell you they spend their first years bombing terribly. But connection is awesome when it happens and you chase it and eventually, you fucking kill.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 11:35 AM
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filling out the ol' okcupid questionnaire again and this time, I paused when I got to, "Are you smarter than the average person." I used to say no as a matter of course, but the state of the US reeeeally shook my faith in whatever the "average person" is fucking thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 03:00 AM
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It's still good advice for most men to fuck more. There's a line of thought among comedians and writers that your first biggest hurdle is finding your voice, and the only way to do throw what you have against the wall and see what the audience responds to. It may surprise you and challenge how you think of yourself, but it will make you more successful. This applies perfectly to dating. Or you can go the redpill route which is pretty much like being a hack comedian. You may have some success, bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:39 AM
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blind date with a chancer / we had oysters and dry lancers / and the check, when it arrived / we went dutch dutch dutch -traditional children's poem from the late 90s
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:25 AM
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For example, the removal of Roe vs Wade and the resulting laws are clearly, ever so clearly about restricting women's rights to make them second class citizens. The logistics and outcomes have nothing to do with minimizing abortion. I'm not talking about the legallity of traditional marriage. I'm talking about households where the husband has control over the wife's finances and general activity. We have people in the states trying to revoke womens sufferage, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 03:33 PM
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Not enforce it legally. Not base employment options and benefits around it. Not using public education to instruct that it is the default or the ideal. That type of thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 03:17 PM
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well that's why the rest of it think it's creepy and backwards. Just as you say, they insist a woman stay in a very confined role while devaluing that role. And certainly devaluing women who DO work outside the home. So it's just not great for women, except that some women prefer to be dominated or kept.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 03:39 AM
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no one cares if you date someone from another country.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 03:34 AM
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Oh, we'll still make fun of you. I certainly would hate being in that kind of relationship with a woman. It seems a little creepy and backwards, but there are plenty of different relationship dynamics that aren't for me, To each their own with consenting adults. And plenty of folks think more modern, more equitable relationships are a little creepy and transgressive. I just can't imagine being happy in a relationship with a big power imbalance. The passport thing is a little different because it…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 02:08 AM
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Of course. The idea should be more freedom of choice and expression in the way you perform gender. Especially when there's so much great romantic media and culture and tradition based on those roles, of course it's going to be popular. Just don't act like it's the default or the ideal and don't force it on anyone. Y'all wanna cosplay the Cleavers, do it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 12:37 AM
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I've suspected and sometimes accused men on this sub of this. They honestly DO NOT seem like they actually like sex with women. Porn etc might actually be more gratifying. I think sex IS really special if you have a good partner and you really like it. But the things that make it special are, as you say, hard to understand from outside.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 10:12 PM
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In proper mature relationships, the hypotheticals you bring up can be taken on a case by case basis. Relationships are different. Worrying about your girlfriend's male friend may be reasonable or silly, depending on their friendship, and most women would understand if you expressed some concern. Caring about your SO's financial stability is appropriate, but you don't get a say in it, unless you're cohabitating or otherwise sharing financial stuff. There's no solid 'line,' but navigating complica…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 01:14 AM
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He's telling us he has a wife and daughter but still thinks that they are so different from men that no real communication can happen. Simply different species.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 10:49 PM
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I've found that (most) people get more honest in dating as they go. Especially after some major relationships fail/divorce, you just realize what bullshit isn't worth it. Easier to break through to real connection. Easier to be straight about what you like and what you want and who you are. Easier to walk away amicably if it doesn't look like a good match.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 02:09 AM
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I can kinda understand it from the point of view of, "She should be with someone better. And most people are better. I am better." That's at least a normal, if jealous response. What I don't understand is how the conversation typicaly goes here. "Women are not allowed to complain about the dangers or difficulties of dating men because sometimes some of them choose to to date clearly bad men."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 10:57 PM
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But like, plenty of women aren't hypergamous. Women investing time and resources and affection in unambitious men is a common story. And talented women increasingly are ok with dating and marrying men who make less than them, especially progressive women who are more likely to be high-achieving. So the changing demographics are actually leading to less frustration, at least among people who aren't shallow, backwards fuckwads.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 10:24 AM
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They were clearly attracted to those women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 09:57 AM
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yeah. They do. I have been pursued. Often a good thing. I have sometimes been put in uncomfortable positions. I've been sexually harassed verbally and physically by strangers and coworkers. This is just a thing that happens because women are people. Looks rating is way more subjective than redpill can stand to deal with. You guys really just make shit up and claim it's 100% true all the time, huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 09:56 AM
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I'm also trying to understand where he is coming from. I am an average man, like deeply mid. I have been lusted after by several women. It was usually ok to great. Sometimes it wasn't. But I will say that I have lusted after below average (lookswise) women. Because lady parts are sexy. I have to assume some women feel the same way about men. I meet men every day who I think are less attractive than me who have had success with ladies, and I assume some horniness on the lady's part was involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:25 AM
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and yet they look like an MLM from the outside ;) And in general, a leadership position is your community/workplace/whatever signalling that you have merit. Even if you don't and you're being propped up for bullshit reasons or because you're acunning, underhanded bastard etc, being in leadership engenders deference in 1000 ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 12:00 AM
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Well I do, too. Why is it dofficult for you to believe that society cares about them?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:57 PM
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Being in a leadership position is about more than just money. And whether women care as much, more, or less about money than men, they still care about it. And money affects things like health, education, oppurtunity, access, etc. All of those things are or lead to things that make you more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:36 PM
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Do you care about them?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:33 PM
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Society is built around it for one. Our media is chocked full of romance. Despite feminist influence, women approaching their 30s still feel huge pressure to marry. Men are still making more money and are way more likely to be put inleadership positions. And half the reason we're all here talking about this is because issues for men and boys HAVE been a major topic of discussion in media and academia for decade.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:53 PM
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Unselected men is such a silly term. Honestly and truly, society is doing tons to help men get mates. You're just blind to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 06:41 PM
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with you on the positive submission thing. I just think it looks more like thoughtfully capitulating in a disagreement to make the other person happy or comfortable. And/or sex stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 05:55 AM
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There's something to add here, which I'd call doting. It can be done by any gender. It can be done in entirely non-romantic ways, as you might with a child or elder or a friend in need. It isn't really submissive. It is definitely affectionate. It absolutely CAN be romantic or even sexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 05:43 AM
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I'm 5'7," very average build ranging from skinny to having a little belly, but not unhealthy. I get mistaken for other people of every ethnicity. I live in the Boston area and people often ask me if I speak Turkish, Spanish, Russian, Italian, Polish, if I'm Jewish, etc. Always had strong friendships with women, some slightly one-sided romantic (from either side) but not all. My oldest/best friend is a woman I've known since middle school. She set me up with my first live-in girlfriend. I'm a sol…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 11:47 PM
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It's demonized because a lot of men who want to help other men also find redpill and manosphere stuff creepy, mean, and reductive. Essentially counterproductive, trying to dismantle the master's house with the master's tools stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 05:12 PM
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Being regularly successful as a man means learning that second part. Viewing sex as a conversation. Ideally, you'll have enough experience to have a few different ideas of what might work, you'll respond to the woman, the woman will actually know what she wants (not always true) and she's willing to find ways to communicate that. This is why I always say dating is best in late 20s to 30s. Experience and self-knowledge is good for everyone. But the most important thing that it always shocks me to…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 12:02 AM
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squirrely dan here, just popping in to say that some attentenions to hand stuff should be a parts of this conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 11:55 PM
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Oh, woman with self esteem issues are definitely more likely to cheat. That kinda goes for men, too. This is also why jealous SO's tend to end up cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 10:27 PM
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I'm not uncomfortable with the issue. It just has never affected me hardly at all. I've made less than or the same as every woman I've dated since my 20s. Almost AlWAYS less than. And I'm just some 5'7'' dude with kinda a big nose and an unimpressive physique. Are women who buy into the patriarchy both offputting and numerous? Sure. Not nearly as offputting and/or numerous as men who do. But in the real, not-chronically-online world, this just isn't some crippling issue. It's justone of the less…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 10:08 AM
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If what you took from this is that women don't like intimacy and sex with men, you have severely misread the room.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 07:48 PM
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My friend, you are being rediculous, even if you are not trying. What can possibly be gained from this conversation? Do you think men with a lack of self worth would really feel that much better if they were swimming in rueful, empty pity sex? What do you make of men that have sex and are still suicidal? Your question doesn't reveal anything useful. People will never and should never respond positively to being obliged to engage in sexual activity.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:29 PM
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I'm sorry. I wasn't trying imply that it was.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 06:48 PM
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I dislike it when dudes say something along the lines of 'ladies are crazy, right?' And then I'm expected to show solidarity in some kind of weird boys vs girls middle school conflict. And of course I hate it that it's 100% more acceptable for me to say hi to a random child or dog in public when I'm walking with a woman. I've talked to my male friends who are teachers and there's just a bunch of extra care they have to take. Being a man means folks will randomly just assume the absolute worst of…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 05:16 PM
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If some women say a, why do so many other women b?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 03:19 PM
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I think chimps and bonobos are good as far as showing a range of behaviour in primates. Humans are several orders of magnitude more complex and varried in our behaviours. Animalistic analogies are good for shorthand, but people put way to much stock in that kinda 'it's natural' kind of explanation. Evopsych is only useful if you include the mountain if cultural complexity that comes from the memetics side. And I think leader women are super attractive. Like I said, humans are ultra-variable. Fol…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 03:13 PM
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there's broadness in it, that gets lost by people who couch it in such naturalistic language. A strong stoic leader, a charismatic communicator, a deeply insecure man who nonetheless controls those around himself with violence and delegated violence. You might call all of thse alpha even if they couldn't be more different from one another. And the shorthand tricks a lot of people into thinking a certain situation is part of a biological inevitability.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 11:45 PM
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We are just as closely genetically related to bonobos, who peacefully organize around dominant females who engage in pansexualism to promote group cohesion. Does that count as a baddie study?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 11:40 PM
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My friends, we are officially in the weeds.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 01:43 AM
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Nothing you just said bares the slightest resemblance to reality. Each point, obviously wrong in every professional setting I've ever seen from retail to office to government to social work.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 06:29 AM
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And increasingly, some men are hypergamous. Or are after aspects of a partner that aren't as clear from the outside.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 01:04 AM
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oh that's not what I think. I think that everyone compares themselves to influencers and feels bad about themselves. So much of it is making you feel lesser so they can sell you shit or just keep your attention. Both men and women feeling it. I don't think women en masse overvalue themselves. I think men increasingly undervalue themselves and pedestalize women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 09:01 PM
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I got you. Like 'keeping up with the Jonses' has always been a thing, but social media has supercharged it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 09:26 AM
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Proper evopsych also acknowledges memetics, fully accounting for both recent and traditional sociological factors. Then it explores the relationships bxetween evolved neurological and hormonal responses and various social stimulation, trying to pin down why certain ideas and learned behaviors are stickier than others. So yes, you can Occam's razor away the 90s era pop-psych stuff that still gets trotted out occasionally. But evopsych is broad enough to encapsulate both 'recent trends in dating' …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 09:57 PM
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I don't follow the 80%, 5% thing. That do you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 11:16 AM
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are you high? Society is equal nowhere and within the various class systems, each has idiosyncratic codes and imballances between genders. Getting all up in arms about a non-obligatory aspect of dating traditions is the kind of issue that proves you aren't feeling any real pressure in society. Or have accepted a completely fucked perspective from the people who are actually screwing you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 10:41 AM
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yeah, the whole paper abortion argument is utterly pointless in the US since Roe v Wade was overturned. Until thru-2nd- trimester abortion, birth control, and options like morning after pills are 100% legal everywhere, paper abortions aren't worth considering.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 10:57 PM
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Actually, this is often true and it's exhausting. Starting to change a bit such that it's not the only or main mode of discourse. But a lot of male only/dominated spaces are just endlessly obnoxious. That said, I'm sure you could say the same for certain women only/ dominated spaces. OP is pretty in the right for a lot if this. And hell if I haven't had men and women 'mansplain' things to me. It's just one of those things that hits different based on gender dynamics. The victim blaming thing is …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 11:58 PM
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also, isn't the point here that those women don't have any non-shit choices?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 10:52 PM
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never-was's?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 10:50 PM
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"you're preemptively shooting yourself in the foot by trying to use statistics and online vibes to gauge and judge the individuals that you're looking to date." Are you new here? ;p
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 07:50 PM
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But you're suggesting we pathologize not wanting to have kids. Which, ironically, I think is pretty insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 10:45 PM
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It's just not that hard. The grasp is too firm.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 09:59 AM
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This sub is often just a fight between the folks who want nuance and romance and the folks who want to date by statistics and minmax strategy like a video game.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 08:27 PM
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'Naturally' is doing a lot of heavy lifting here.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 01:39 PM
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No. Women and men are both capable of being assholes as individuals and also capable of forming and getting wrapped up in sexist subcultures, or even sexist dominant cultures. Women kill people they are attracted to romantically less and rape way less. So there's that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 11:35 AM
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Anyone who doesn't bristle at being called femosphere or manosphere is going to be gendering stuff. It's the whole game. The more pointless and inflammatory, the more engagement.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 09:02 PM
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Don't dodge the trolly problem, OP. You know full well that, forced to choose, it's the friggin baby. Or any other alive person. Hell, I'd save a cat or dog first, but that's just me.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 01:47 PM
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You're kinda proving your own point. You're treating women as if they don't have anything in common with you when it comes to trying to attract people they like. You're talking about 'investment' as if you're working on a degree instead of spending time with a person. And the scenarios that you're suggesting are men-only/gross to average women are the basis for countless romantic comedies and romance novels. Mountains of ink and celluloid spent on women who are shy or embarrassed around men, pin…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 01:44 PM
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My tastes have certainly changed a lot over the years. I think having good experiences with people makes them hotter.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 01:30 PM
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Sounds like you've been having bad sex. I've been with a few women who treated sex as a reward. Horrible relationships. I've been with more women who liked sex. Some even wanted to have sex when they were mad at me, but that's obviously not the best case scenario. I'm very sorry that sex is a reward in your life. Not great for the giver or the reciever.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 01:25 PM
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feotuses aren't children. Thought experiement: You're in a burning building and there is a refrigerated box with 10 viable embrios and there's also a baby. Which do you save? There's absolutely no question. No one is killing kids for funsies. That's a simply depraved thing to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 01:19 PM
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All heathens are the same!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 02:14 AM
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jinx
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 01:57 AM
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You honestly don't think women think about how to talk to men they like? You think there aren't women who get flustered talking around men in general? Not one? After going out of your way to point out that they're just people? Surely, you'd expect that they'd have the full range of confidence or lack there of that men experience, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 01:57 AM
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Some thru work and friend groups. Reconnected with some women I knew in highschool. A solid half thru okcupid (being literate helps there). Never had any luck with tinder.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 04:15 PM
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you can date women who, get this, don't treat relationships like transactions
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 02:17 PM
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Since my late 20s, I've always been slightly or significantly less well off than my female partners. And I'm short and C/C+ in the looks department. I've occasionally spent a little bit out of my means to do something special for a lady, but not crazily, and never debilitaingly. Most men in my peer group do better than me financially. I havn't been single for more than a couple seasons since I was 18. So in general I feel like you don't have to put up with dating being transactional if you don't…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 01:58 PM
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When women say they love openess but run a blackmailing operation that targets vulnerable men. When men say they want a low N-count but have skrewed their way through 3 trailer parks. When women say they value diplomacy but own a 24-pack of kamikaze drones and 7 are suspiciously missing. When men say they they just want a hug but are actually mighty Zues in the form of a sexy swan and Hera sees everything! I love "when pointlessly gendered assholes are hypocritical in their sexual politics" post…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 10:20 AM
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A mountain of money has been poured into making people think young is the only thing sexy, and as a teenager of course it naturally is. But of course that changes with age. Especially for women, the emphasis on neotony doesn't get a second thought: be hairless, naive, and take up very little space. There's plenty of reasons for this, but some of it is that stunted, dirty old men with money and people selling beauty products have been dictating culture for a while. So titilating images of women w…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 11:12 AM
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I'd agree with this as a mindset thhing, but it don't change the fact that I'm tired and on amlodipine.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 10:59 AM
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I guess so is the carcinization of narrow minded dudes to Calvinism. I sometimes don't know how you people breath trying to force everything into the most symplistic of numbers games.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 10:56 AM
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The 80-20 dating Pareto thing is not reality. It has been so thoroughly debunked. It is amazing that it never goes away here.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:06 AM
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Medicaid and medicare for some has been particularly awful for anyone not on it. The entire medical industry caters to offer the most care (by no means the best nor most necessary care) to that demographic. Making it universal is really the only sensible thing. As it exists now, it just rewards waste while leaving un and underinsured people completely fucked. Social security is admittedly a mess, because it IS predicated on endless wealth and population growth.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:55 AM
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Terp?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 02:50 AM
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My experience is that women peak in their 30s. I kinda think men do, too, but I'd ask a lady. Generalizing from experience: Single women in their 30s are beautiful, mature, interesting, practical, highly sexual. They know what they want and they know how to get it. They've experienced enough to cut out the bullshit. They've seen some shit. They've got stories. They still very much want to make new ones. In my early 40s now, and I'd say both men and women my age are still good, but the more inevi…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 02:48 AM
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Yeah. Both men and women confuse arrogance with confidence sometimes. But when you recognize it, you immediately reverse your appraisal of a person's confidence. Assholes are mostly insecure, though not harmless, people. Being capable, confident, and having the capacity for vulnerability is attractive to a lot of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 12:49 AM
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We have enough money, labor, and resources in the US to be fine with a moderately declining population. It's just an allocation problem. Things will be tricky and rich people will fight ut, but not apocalyptic as folks think if we stick around slightly less than replacement rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 12:42 AM
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making money is not
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 09:47 AM
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No one without a degree who's making money off of gender politics is really to be trusted. And more than a few with degrees are also not to be trusted.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 12:40 AM
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It's not clear what issues you're talking about here. Most feminism is just treating women like people. Certainly feels less unpleasant and shrill than most right wing posturing these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 10:46 PM
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yeah. That is all true and it sucks. But it's not by any means impossible to move past. There's always been room for men to be touchy feely in every era. Fuck the haters. Find reasonable people. Talk to girls like they're people. There's a lot of guys who end up not liking real sex that much, not liking women beyond validation, the type who call falling in love with a woman gey. Fuck em. They aren't having much fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 03:48 AM
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Remember that 'blue pill' is a catch all for everything that isn't redpill, not an actual ideology. Just a category of 'most people.'
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 08:21 PM
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And there's also, y'know, sharing intimacy with another human. That's also missing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 05:39 PM
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definitely agree. A lit of men here see women as a mass. Hell, a lot of them see men as a mass. That's why I was asking if women often feel the same way in their social circles. And you seem to be saying, fof course some do. I live in an area where I can choose the people I want to be around, but in a lot of places, you just have to choose your battles
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 11:35 AM
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yeah..I guess it'a not often immediate. I distance myself from certain folks, but in large social settings there's always a bit of "Aw man, who invited Jeff to the party?" Or, "I'm getting a little worried about Angie. She's been saying some stuff since she broke up with that dude. Have you talked to her?" You kinda want to give folks the benefit of the doubt unless they're being overtly terrible. Especially when you're young and involved in large parties/music and art scenes/sports teams/church…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 10:54 AM
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Can be. School and work and social circles force you to be around crappy people sometimes. I know men are socialized pretty heavily to put up with assholes in the ranks, reinforced with ideas of gender solidarity or even admire them. I assume it often feels that way being a woman. Certainly toxic feminity exists. In general, human interaction and experience is a good deal more unique than people here like to admit.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 11:05 PM
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To be clear, we're talking about very young men, here. 8th-10nth graders. I would call a lot of those boys. And that's always been the case: boys who don't respect women are more likely to hit on their classmates. That certainly sounds like middle and high school as I remember it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 08:58 PM
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Woof. If you're that much of a robot, go ahead and marry your robot friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 04:39 AM
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Except it can't. It cannot and does not have feelings. It is not love. You can love it. That is real. And, as you say. Better than nothing. However, I think this will be a growingly apparent divide between people. Do you care? Similar (tho not exactly like this*) is the question: do you value a song or story less if it is written by AI, even if you can't tell the difference without being told? I understand that some people say no. I feel a real revulsion to finding out something is made with AI …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 04:31 AM
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As my brother would say, these aren't tree tops we're standing on. But I would say that everything has degrees. Social media is only so healthy. Video games are only so healthy. Books and TV are only so healthy. Doordash and Amazon are only so healthy. Amd all of these things are being overused and making us pretty miserable. In the same way, porn is only so healthy. And robotsex slaves are pretty much the epitome, the last bastion of ultra porn. Probably fun. I'd try it out if it was affordable…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 02:17 AM
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Dude, no. The comparison is completely off. You're only upset that you can't use financial pressure on women to same degree as men used to. And I'm still very much of the opinion that the majority of human endeavor is social. Cooperating and competing and collaborating and consoling and copulating and commiserating is most of what makes people genuinely happy. It's what turns a simple positive experience or stimulus into a compellingly human one. We share. It's how we're wired and it's why we're…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 12:50 AM
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Increasingly. But don't lie and say it's still not a problem. Presidents on hot mics, and all. And I'll admit I've been silent when coworkers have said some heinious shit. When I was younger, I made some heinous 'jokes' to fit in with male friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 12:41 AM
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Up until now, the nature of female sexuality is the only thing making genuine sexual relationships (with women) possible at all. And boy is it great when it works! Really. Five stars. Will come again. I'm not convinced the tech will fill the void in a healthy way, so the nature of female sexuality may yet be the only game in town. With access to only Twinkies, I would survive on Twinkies. But I would be miserable and sick. I'm pretty sure finding a better food source would still be a chief prior…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 12:38 AM
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I disagree. Needing other people to fulfill one's needs is the himan condition. We are, perhaps, the most thoroughly social animals to ever evolve. In the last paragraph, you're conflating the ability to act as an equal agent in a social construct with the right to get exactly what you want out of that construct. Women absolutely HAD to be part of the economy, but were restricted in their agency. Now they are active participants in the economy and have the same agency once only afforded men. Fai…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 12:31 AM
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Oh, the nature of female sexuality is fantastic. Anything that replaces positive human interaction comes at a price. We have a ton of convenience at the cost of increasing isolation. Replacing romantic and platonuc affection is the final nail in the coffin.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 12:18 AM
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I'm usually surprised how many men I meet who actually say this. But I guess it makes sense. We're REALLY good at bonding with not-alive things that have faces. Human nature. Sexual compulsion will definitely help that along. Porn works. Younger people are increasingly ok with minimal actual human interaction of any kind. So, I'm not sure this is how it will go, but if it does I predict: 1) It won't take off fully until college aged men can afford them. 2) Sex workers will probably work with the…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 10:55 PM
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Real feels the same for men and women. My lady friends and men friends are the same type of honest with me. Coworkers are the same honest with me. The ways they perform certain social niceties or exagerate about themselves or manipulate is where the the gender comes out. Different strategies are social acceptable. And obviously, this is all completely different with an SO. Being in a relationship requires a mountain of honesties and white lies and performances that are way deeper than most other…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 07:32 PM
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I'm saying there is no problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 07:21 PM
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some thoughts: Most men and boys like to play at violence. We don't actually like real violence. Modern military training is ALL about breaking down our natural human aversion to violence to ourselves and others. Of course there are tons of exceptions, but usually people who are drawn to real violence (not forced into it) are abuse victims or otherwise unwell. You point out that women are drawn to 'social games.' That's them not being real. In a lot of cases it is not just advantagous, but neces…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 05:11 PM
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pretty sure that was a joke, but it's had to tell given the post
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 07:41 AM
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oh sure. I guess I meant that constraining things was silly.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 02:24 AM
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Despite what folks think, sex really cause any lasting "use state." Babies, on the other hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 01:55 AM
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I mean, women would like it if men didn't normalize sexual assault and violence amongst each other. And that's something that men have traditionally done a bunch. It's changed a lot, but 'locker room talk' (as the president likes to call it when he's bragging about sexually assaulting women) is still a thing. Increasingly, most men would also like it if that wasn't normalized. It's fucking gross to hear coworkers spontaneously try to rope you into their weird sexual conspiracies or offer up thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 01:08 AM
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Women all tend to come different. I'd say a hand is the most reliable, but there's certainly no reason to pigeon hole. There's not that much damage you can do to a vagina (or a penis for that matter) during sex that won't be fine in a day or so. Know what would probably be the best policy? Finding out what the woman you're with likes.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 01:01 AM
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I feel like you're conflating a bunch of different expressed grievances here. That's not to say shitty, sexist women don't exist. But it's some tabloid-minded people who are trying to compare their dating life to sports and pop stars. And going by his responses, this doesn't seem to be what OP is talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 09:15 PM
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yeah...that would surprise me. Tho, if it was true at all, probably would have been removed by the mods.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 09:11 PM
3

so...how is this a debate post? who is hypothetically arguing against what you said?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 12:25 PM
2

so what's the point of the post, tho?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 12:23 PM
9

ok. Has this been a big problem for you? Unless you engage with the culture or passively benefit from it, I don't feel like anyone sane is coming after you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 10:57 AM
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Are you talking about assault and abuse? Because that would be a normal thing for everyone to want to oppose. You'd only have to feel guilt if you encouraged that behaviour or saw it happening and did nothing. It'a kinda unclear what you're riled up about.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 10:32 AM
2

sounds like you're dealing in hypotheticals, huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 02:21 AM
2

I don't know. What happens when you find a woman you like more? Is it inevitable?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 01:30 AM
4

Now women can look for men they actually like. That makes them less interchangeable.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 08:55 PM
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Yeah. This is such common knowledge, I don't know how we ended up with this talking point. People have been talking about crazy/toxic boyfriends and girlfriends forever. One of a thousand things pointlessly gendered on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 12:19 AM
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You haven't even considered trying to be good in bed, have you?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 10:45 AM
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This is so obviously dumb. The argument you're making is pretty much, "Men without partners don't abuse their partners. Only men with partners do that!" You see the problem there, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 10:47 PM
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It really strangles the romance out of things to the point where I don't know why anyone would bother at that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 09:17 PM
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Of course not. Similarly, I like to suggest people find hobby groups and do some volunteering. Even if you're just trying to meet women, the worst case scenario is you make friends or do some good. And it improves your character and mental health, which ladies also find desirable. Working on a lucrative career and a gym body are just as win/win.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 09:08 PM
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Hmmm. I have cheated once. I have been cheated on twice. I have been the other man. Does it mean anything that I was cheated on long before I ever cheated on someone else? Does the time I spent with a married woman (who was quite intent on breaking up her marriage) does that count as me cheating? From my experience the answer seems to be that a lot of people cheat, and gender is no impediment.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 12:04 AM
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It's almost like gender is a performative social construct or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 06:19 AM
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I think the manosphere stuff will jave gone into a steep decline by the mid 30s. Probably a resurgance starting to creep back up in the 40s. These things are cyclical, but they're bending consistently towards egalitarianism in the long run. Technology makes stark gender divisions rediculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 04:43 AM
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yeah. nah. women can absolutely grow on a guy in that way. Do you just think men are incapable of feeling that way? Or do you not ever experience it, so you're assuming men don't?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 04:38 AM
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Assuming I'd be a lesbian, yes. I like liking women. Women are given more leeway in how they perform gender in my country. I don't dislike being a man, certainly not so much that I'd want to deal with transitioning and deal with bigots. But women in comfortable clothes who like rockshows and nerd shit are my type, so I have more than a few times hit on lesbians at bars and parties. I'm fairly proud of my state for being a good place to be a woman and/or queer. And I think I'd enjoy exploring pre…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 04:10 AM
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And that's where I say you should be blaming the dudes, not the ladies. Because, if anything, the women are demonstrably not crying wolf. That is, those men you feel for are being victimized by other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 01:27 AM
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But that doesn't hold up logically. Violence needs means and oppurtunity. You don't get bit by the dogs you don't let in because they did not have the oppurtunity to bite you. That some dogs get let in and still bite their people is inevitblable, because no one's a perfect judge of character and dogs have teeth. So the majority of the dogs who bite must have been let in. (The use of dogs in this analogy makes it sound ruder to men than I intended. Women are just as likely (actually slightly more…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 12:16 AM
7

That is some remarkably proactive victim blaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 10:54 PM
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Depends. Some could definitely be called a diatribe. I think you see repeating users because it takes a certain mindset to repeatedly post in this way. Also, I think the mods tend to take down posts like this they disagree with, calling them "low effort." Has certainly happened to me a few times. So now I just pick fovhts in the comment sections, like a healthy person :]
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 12:25 PM
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No, seriously. I'd hazzard a slight majority of non-redpill people (for that is all 'blue bill' means) think the world is trash. We just still think it's miserable to act like a selfish cunt as as a response.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 12:08 PM
2

Once again, blue pill isn't 'just world.' Blue pill is 'don't be such an asshole.'
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 12:30 AM
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So that's when we got a behaviourist marriage conselour. Turns out I've been unknowingly using ABA on her and her studiously sporadic libido is actually an intuitive form of the skinner box technique. But we both feel much better now that we don't try so hard to legitimize our diverging theories of mind. Love is a verb.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 10:08 PM
1

the reason that you're wrong is that individuals aren't that simple. Two is an above average number of limbs to have.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 11:10 AM
1

What's the other way to go about this?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 11:05 AM
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I guess it depends on why the divorce rate is low. Are the people there healthy, happy, and secure, leading to lower divorce rates and strong families? Or are the women there treated as second class citizens and bullied into staying in bad marriages, leading to lower divorce rates and shitty families? I'm not sure most things in life come down to numbers, but certainly complicated things like marriage contain multitudes of variables. But on its face, of course it is not immoral to move to a coun…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 12:56 AM
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Don't worry OP, someday you'll get to know a woman long enough to grow out of this ridiculous idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 10:50 AM
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I think of this whenever I see people on this sub talk about peeking in the early 20s. I always assume it's got to be someone young saying that. Anyone who stops improving at that age is...whoof. My SO and I lived near each other in college and she sometimes says she wished we'd met then. I am glad we did not.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 12:09 AM
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Really wondering how old you are. I would find dating a 18-25 yaer old fucking mind numbing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 03:30 AM
2

This is the answer. You either have a full draft or no draft.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 10:23 PM
1

They have the bit on the first night where the guy sends his teenage boy to the older woman (who seems to be some type of fertility priestess) to lose his virginity. It cuts back and forth to a guy singing a ballad to the folks at the inn/pub. (found it: https://youtu.be/1FbVrWerjCM?si=kwjS8Z6VDDiHIvZ3 . some of it is cut, but yeah)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 05:50 PM
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Yeah. Women are complaining about dating. Like a lot a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 11:33 AM
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I know, I know. I was being facetious. Mostly I just want life to be like the Wicker Man. Sex positivity and folk music all day.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 12:49 AM
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Yeah. I've really never understood that. It was like the most intimidating part of the whole shebang and therefore seemed so urgent when I was young. And it's kinda the only reason to have sex for more than 5-10 minutes. Your post has that bit of truth in that SOME men seem to think they want sex when they don't actually care for it that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 12:30 AM
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If we wanted a logical solution, we could match women in their late 30s (crazy horny) up with young men (crazy horny) for lessons in how to give women orgasms. Actually, I think that was part of the deal in the original Wicker Man film.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 11:59 PM
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I certainly think I would have a very depressing existence without it. And thinking of 'status among men' is about the unsexiest thing in the world. And I think most women with access to good sex feel the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 11:48 PM
5

Both Volcel and Intenticel sound like subsets of Decepticons. Like a bunch of robots that change into vibrators and you connect them all together to form Sybian-tron.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 02:36 PM
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cuz we...enjoy ourselves and the company of women?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 02:25 PM
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there IS a ton of that here, sure. But that's also where the rest of us come in to poke holes and offer suggestions, right? And there's such a thin line between rage bait and what folks actually think, these days. I increasingly feel like I'm not credulous enough for this world.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 02:18 PM
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dude, just use your hands and mouth. This is a solved problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 01:38 PM
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But wouldn't it make sense for them to be here as part of the conversation? Aren't they the people more likely to be looking for some kinda insight into what's going on? Incels because they have untested ideas and questions. Intentionally celibate folks (intenticels?) to figure out what the hell is going on with the opposite gender that's made dating feel so unappealing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 01:36 PM
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Sure. People who have friends like that must die alone. OR kill their friend, obviously. Of course it's not a problem. My oldest friend is like a sister to me. I've lived with her like 3 non-consecutive times and we have never had a drop of romance between us. This in no way interferes with my SO. It has never interfered with any of my past SOs, because I couldn't be with someone that jealous. As you say, it's hard to trust a person who can't be just friends with the opposite gender. I'm not say…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 05:27 AM
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Yeah, I think OP is onto something, but the real answer is people want different things and traditional gender roles are increasingly arbitrary. Like, all gender is performative (not in the way usually used on this sub), and there's nothing wrong about being turned on by certain presentations of gender. It's just bad if you come out saying "I like my ladies X, so all ladies should be X."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 08:48 PM
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My little bro took is wife's name. She didn't have any brothers or male cousins and didn't know anyone else with the name. It's from the same language as our last name. And there's a metric ton of men and boys in my family (literally more than a metric ton). I thought that that was cool of him. I have a lady friend who married and they picked a new surname, largely because the husband's parents were abusive pricks. She still goes by it. When I got divorced, my ex actually asked if it would be we…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 06:13 PM
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Do a lot of women say, "Are you intimidated?" Also, what's the 'risk' OP is talking about? I seriously don't know but it DOES sound like he thinks men are intimidated by something.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 03:54 PM
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While it's different, the urge to care is similar. For those of us who have worked or volunteered or helped because family, we can tell you that affection is a HUGE part of it. And morals don't come from outside of humanity (sorry if you're religious). We take care of the infirm because it feels right and good to do so, because we are programmed biologically and culturally to care about people and have a sense of justice. So your point that it's easier for most to get pleasure and comfort from t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 03:38 PM
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Have you never heard the phrase "a face only a mother could love?" More seriously, men and women take care of folks like your hypothetical man, too. It's one of the defining aspects of humanity. The fossil records show that we've always cared for the infirm or afflicted. It's part of human nature. Not everybody has it in them, but plenty do and it is laudable. It's why so many of us are disgusted by the eugenics apologists and looks-maxers who think human worth begins and ends with the physical …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 02:12 PM
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I'm in America, too. This type of woman exists, but they're dodged bullets. I mean, I guess the nice part is that you don't have to dodge them?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 02:04 PM
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Women don't mind if you're fair to middling in some of those areas if they like you. They aren't looking for maxed out status sliders. They are looking for a person.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 11:05 AM
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That's the case here, maybe? There's certainly a lot of blaming the patriarchy in public spaces. Men who dislike the patriarchy are sometimes dismissed or denigrated by other men, but mostly we just say fuck'em. There's a plenty of quiet resentment of women. Most men I've met who voted for Trump don't even acknowledge that Harris was running. They say "at least he was a better choice than Biden." You could say that this has to do with Harris not doing enough to distance herself from Biden or not…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 06:01 PM
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Being a brute is learned asshole behaviour. Wanting to have sex is inate to the vast majority of the population.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 05:56 PM
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By a very small margin, 2-3%. Crazy how consistent it is tho!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 05:55 PM
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Yeah. It's pretty insulting to be told over and over that you're not supposed to have standards
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 04:59 PM
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No. We just think you're wrong because several other studies have proven it, you're basing this belief entirely on dating site stats, and the real world doesn't resemble what you say in any actual, meaningful, or actionable way. We think of you more like infomercials that are selling a solution to a non-existent problem. Also, the solution is antisocial and ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 12:04 PM
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Also a bit of man bites dog? You notice 100% of the assholes.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 11:54 AM
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it is buckwild that there is push back against this. Who doesn't have hobbies. What kinda robots are you folks out there?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 08:50 PM
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i don't consider tattooing mutialation
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 10:42 PM
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i don't think you know one
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 10:20 PM
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I would be hard pressed to think of a scenario that wouldn't be worse. I'm not entirely sure I care to delve into this too much, but I can't think of anything you could remove from a vagina that wouldn't be severe and/or dangerous.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 07:24 PM
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oh it's virtually nil for circumcision. A little worse for ultra-orthodox. But it's not a risky procedure. I understand folks who are against it, but it really isn't comparable to anything done to female babies.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 07:21 PM
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I think most people have heard of traditional FGM, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 07:14 PM
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I know. I think I'm being misunderstood. I mean the post. As in OP. The take of this post is the type of ignorant and uniquely manosphere butthurt that it's an emblem of this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 12:16 PM
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This post is perfect. You could show this post to a layperson and they'd immediately understand why this sub exists. [edit: folks, I'm agreeing with the response and criticizing the post. sorry it was unclear. clearly the post is a special kind of assinine]
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 11:36 AM
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True enough. It's super embarrassing that we still have folks who are sex positive, but only for themselves or a certain gender, and obviously that gender is always male because 'men are dogs, amiright.' The whole thing is exhausting and childish. And that's really the issue with the red side of this debate. It wants sex but is screaming like a jealous child about n-counts or some shit. Does this generation have a Chasing Amy? Someone needs to teach young men to both not be a scumbag and also no…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 02:37 PM
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That's not a man. That's a manchild.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 12:30 PM
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I thought dating in my 30s was super easy and less stressful
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 11:37 PM
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we've been talking about this down thread. I'm with you on fossil fuels being the main issue here. I just believe that we can easily take care of elder care with proper resource allocation. But we won't as you point out, because our economies are not based around creating actual value or supplying for human needs. No profit in it. Increasing the population does nothing to prevent upheaval, maybe kicks the can down the road.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 04:11 PM
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I don't say immigration needs to be lowered. We have plenty of human capital currently being used on bullshit. This is a resource allocation problem and we're allocating that resource almost as wastefully as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 02:26 PM
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Since you're brilliant, elaborate. [edit: I'm being bitchy. But really, do]
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 02:17 PM
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Like the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis and Darwin's theory of evolution, Malthus was on to something but didn't fully understand the parameters. Until we switch to entirely renewable energy, overpopulation is a fucking problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 02:14 PM
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It's all silliness. Depopulation is not a problem worldwide. Not the problem with the economy in the west. Does not result from people not coupling. Every part of the argument is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 12:55 PM
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Woman aren't all the same person and it pisses me off, because I don't see them as real people!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 09:10 AM
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Declining population is a necessity, not a crisis. Overpopulation is an actual issue. We have enough people. I'm not saying there won't be global economic upheaval, but that's inevitable. Any system that is based on the human population always needing to grow is unsustainable. This was common consensus only 2 decades ago. The recent panic is steeped in accelerationalism and racism.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 09:04 AM
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It's a long time before holding hands, tho! (and for me, a month is kinda a long time before sex).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 08:54 PM
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We kinda do. Example: I dated my SO for a month during Covid before we became physical (remember bubbles?). And I was honestly 50/50 in whether she thought of me romantically. We were going on two dates a week. Talking to each other all the time. But my dumb ass didn't have a model of 'she's into me' that didn't involve physical signals. She still thinks this is fucking hilarious. I'm usually on here arguing against gender differences, but this is a pretty common one. There are a lot of reasons …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 02:00 PM
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Nah he's right. It is fun. I'm here because I think young men are getting a ton of bad advice that is making dating harder and more miserable than it already is. Of course, you really can't put too much hope in really reaching anyone through the internet. But engaging in this sub DOES prepare me to talk to young men in my life, recognize talking points and common arguments, and forces me to examine my own beliefs and knee-jerk prejudices. There are a lot of smart people on this sub who I disagre…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 12:06 AM
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Exactly, this is core redpill shit. The reason I find this stuff so abhorrent is that it's fully misanthropic. Insists on shoving men and women into narrow roles with measurable stats. It doesn't work because it's reductionist, but it also sucks when it does work. Takes all the messy humanity out of things. Economic theory applied to dating is just a miserable exercise, like using AI to write a song.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 12:55 PM
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I am. Thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 02:51 AM
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Hmmm. I would really expect that some of your lady friends would have tried to set you up with someone. Are you comfortable enough with your female friends that you can ask them for honest advice? Like, possibly brutal advice?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 02:46 AM
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As someone who has struggled with alcoholism, hell yeah! it's good that women have been free to not put up with my bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 02:41 AM
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Not really blame. This is simply the outcome of societal imbalance. Heck, there's plenty of anachronistic patriarchal gender bullshit some women cling to, which men are putting up with less and less. This isn't the result of a just world so much as western society clumsily slouching in the direction of egalitarianism. Definitely not a cosmic or metaphysical justice. You could certainly argue that some of the impetus for that direction comes from a sense of justice, but justice as a natural, anim…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 02:37 AM
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I'm not sure if I'm following. Which part is the just world?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 02:09 AM
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Right, but we're ostensibly here to discuss the merits of redpill/manosphere stuff. So who's here? Redpill men and men and women who disagree with redpill men on some level. The redpill woman flair is a tiny minority. So outside of redpill guys, most folks are here to criticize the behavior and beliefs of redpill men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 06:33 PM
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Because this is a subreddit discussing redpill and other manosphere culture. Constructively criticizing it is the only reason most people come here, and redpill is a culture 99% by and for a subset of men. And at least half of the posts I see on this page seem to start with a phrase like, Women should, women are, women must, women always... So your 120% seems a tad high.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 06:22 PM
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I'm not as sure that's it. It could be that women were putting up with a bunch of bullshit out of necessity and now men are clinging to a bunch of toxic patriarchal stuff that's not working as often. Women still largely want men, just not as much the lazy version of masculinity that used to be tolerated.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 06:02 PM
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I'm a little confused at the thread that has spawned from my comment. We're all answering OP with 'We don't believe in a just world.' The redpill response here has been, 'Gotchya! There IS no just world.' 🤨
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 05:52 PM
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That seems like a non-sequitor. Men can fail at dating for many reasons or just dumb luck. That has nothing to do with a just world fallacy. Most of the women I've enjoyed dating haven't liked bullies. But some ladies do, often the ones that are also bullies.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 05:44 PM
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Humanist value, not inherent. As with the feathers and the assholery, they show viability. Peacock feathers are beautiful to peahens. I don't mean the muscles and the coordination and the brains. I mean the silly funzo stuff we do to show them off without actually providing food or children. Fisharian runaway refers to ostentatious, expesnive adaptations that don't directly improve genetic viability.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 05:35 PM
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Oh, most of us don't believe in a just world. Don't think so, anyway. I meet way more traditionalists and christians who do. Speaking for myself, I believe that the world is a chaotic place. Not being a bully just makes the world better for everyone. Trying to make things better for the people around me makes me happier than being selfish. And I find that the people who want to hang out with me and have sex with me are much more enjoyable and beneficial to know. Clearly Trump, Hitler, and Caligu…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 04:42 PM
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Right, but being an artist or athlete or philanthropist are also like peacock feathers. They also show that you have more intelligence and physical prowess and resources than you need AND you're not being an asshole. Fisherian runaway as it applies to culture is a many-splendered thing. Being an asshole generally attracts other assholes.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 04:19 PM
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For some things. My lady is pretty good, too. We tend to fill in each other's gaps. We both like to spoil each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 02:14 PM
1

Are you a good provider?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 02:11 PM
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just another day on ppd; folks telling me I'm the luckiest son of a bitch in America.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 06:08 PM
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yes. they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 04:59 PM
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hehe. My tinder name was manic pixie dreamboat
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 02:14 PM
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Yeah. Obviously to each their own. I'm not pressuring Amish folks to buy Teslas, and it's fine if you want find someone to pretend it's the 50s with. But I'll still think you're a bit silly.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 05:53 PM
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I can't think of a charitable way to read this. Any and all? Boys should have the same need for male validation as female validation except when it comes to sex and romantic love (if they're straight). Then it would be prudent to teach them to have a healthy sense of self. There's nothing wrong with romantic validation being important. I don't really believe people who say they don't need any type of validation.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 04:43 PM
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Do you date men you find online?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 10:48 PM
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Really. Non-rhetorical: Where do they ban it?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 05:40 PM
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What the horse considers play, monkeys consider business. is great. Shop class for all. Economic/media literacy for all. Make the kids watch bitchesgetriches
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 05:07 PM
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Peer review quality and consistency is shitty across disciplines. It's a major problem. This is also a money problem. There's simply no clout or money in testing UNLESS you mean yo refute something. And plenty of papers don't get refuted because no one feels the need to. Why would you need to retest a stupid study that isn't influential? This does cause a problem, as you point out, because you end up with a residue of stupid studies largely done for political reasons which, when taken together, …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 03:45 PM
4

That's...wow.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 07:43 PM
1

That's crappy. Sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 12:04 PM
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It could get a bit dicey with how young the audience is. But plenty are adults. And they also wouldn't have had any problem finding X-manosphere men to explain what the appeal was. Hell, there's a ton of guys like that with popular youtube channels. Get FD Signifier up there.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 01:49 AM
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Sorry that's been your experience. I guess it depends on what you mean by effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 01:20 AM
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You're one of those house cats who thinks he's a tiger, ain't ya.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 12:08 AM
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BF Skinner has entered the conversation
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 04:01 PM
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I think it REALLY failed by not interviewing the people who are the target audience. Of course interview the influencers, but showing the influenced would be SO much more powerful. And more fair, really. This seems like such a glaring oversight.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 02:47 PM
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I like to think of it like gentile, infidel, heathen, goy. An in group describes a very broad and varied out group.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 02:43 PM
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nah. it's alright. 'Postnut clarity' comes when you fucked someone you shouldn't have. Certainly learn from that. Post nut euphoria also exists. As does, whoops we had sex all morning and we really have to get up and do chores. C'mon. I'll make waffles.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 11:34 AM
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There's a difference between something being your fault and something being your responsibility or your cross to bear.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 09:04 PM
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By this definition, everyone is hypergamous.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 06:10 PM
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Testing the fences like the velociraptors in Jurassic Park. I understand that it's deeply infuriating for younger men on here to hear folks say "you just kinda read the signs." But I don't think there's a better way to say it. And obviously, if she pushes back you fucking stop.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 02:17 AM
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Condoms DO suck. That's why we need to normalize vasectomies. And STD testing, obviously. But I'll admit that I was not as careful as I could have been.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 02:10 AM
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This becomes super apparent if you've ever seen a celebrity live in person when they 'turn it on.' Saw Bryan Cranston at a book signing and he was just insanely likable. Colin Hay told ling-ass stories in between songs and absolutely no one minded because he's so funny and engaging. I saw Cosby when I was young at the theater in the round and he played 360° of audience like he was conducting an orchestra. Some politicians have this, too. I'm in MA. Ayanna Pressly has it. I love Elizabeth Warren,…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 02:05 AM
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Oh, I'm not entirely sure what the OP is trying to say exactly. I just think that women who offer to go dutch on the first date are not expressing disinterest. 30 days is a pretty reasonable time to start having sex if it's going to happen. And having sex be one of the priorities in dating doesn't preclude being serious about other aspects of the relationship. My dating life was in Greater Boston, MA and North Shore, CA.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 08:48 PM
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Where do you live? I disagree with just about everything you said here, but we might be dealing with different pools.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 06:40 PM
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I grew up on 90s hack comedians who all had this same schtick. It was bullshit then, too. Crowd pleaser, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 12:31 PM
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Not the trad stuff, necessarily. That was just examples for that particular style.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 07:24 PM
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From what I've seen, nah. This sub tends to make me wonder if I'm just the luckiest 5'7" underachiever in the world to have lucked into meeting all these great, sex-positive, non-shitty women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 05:02 PM
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I didn't say shit about giving birth. I said people who make sex into a joyless, transactional bid to manipulate other people isn't gendered. You can believe it is, if you want. The rest of us will be over here having a good time and not intentionally fucking each other over. (Edit: Vilar explicitly says that this is what she is like. She fails to imagine women who aren't. Or she does and is just cynically spouting bullshit for fame and fortune)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 04:51 PM
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didn't translate. Just ungendered. Vilar is a manipulative asshole who made her name insisting that other women were all like her. Simply bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 04:38 PM
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She was cooking some hot trash. I have seen plenty of grotesque examples of men controlling women with sex and the women just refusing to learn, too. So here's what we got: A man who wants to gain power over a woman must follow the example of women and condition his sex drive. A man who wants to be a manipulative asshole to sexual partners can do so by learning from other manipulative assholes and using sex as a prize. If he succeeds in becoming as cold as she, she can no longer bait him with se…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 10:53 AM
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I'm not suggesting it's especially dignified.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 04:37 PM
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I know you like to line dance / where everything's so democratic and cool / but darling, there's no guidance when random rules
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 04:25 PM
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You too, bud!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 03:37 PM
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dude, she is specifically saying that it was not romantic, so it ended. All gender roles are performative. We's all just dancing like hypnotized chickens out here.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 03:29 PM
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Huh. I'll admit I'm generally ignorant of politics and social leanings in India. I'm in the states and I know a lot of Indian emigrants and 1st-2nd generation Indian-Americans, but I still get confused sometimes watching Indian media. As a few folks here have pointed out, conservative, moderate, liberal, right, left: all mean different, complicated things in different countries. So, thanks for the links!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 11:56 AM
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One, you're talking about liberals, not leftists. Two, you're talking about asshole, hypocritical liberals. Which, yeah. Agree. Those guys suck. Your last paragraph sounds pretty bleak. What country are you in? The rape stuff sounds crazy. But liberals and lefties are generally against ANY draft.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 11:10 AM
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This is ideally reciprocal. Even in the tradiest of trad relationships, ladies cook and sew and dote, a continuation of the courting process. Gifts and romantic gestures between lovers is just an ongoing thing for most. Hopefully, you can see instances of her doing thoughtful things for you, too. If she's just expecting everything to be one way, maybe she's not for you. A hallmark of a loveless relationship is that these things stop or become one-sided. Obviously, life and kids and stress get in…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 09:17 AM
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I lived with a woman who worked in forensic psychology focussing on sex offenders for about 3-4 years. One thing that I learned was that the population is VERY diverse when it came to demographics. Some more common modes: People who'd grown up with abuse. This leads to trauma, fixation, obsession. Controlling the sexual violence often gives them a sense of personal safety/gratification. This can be instilled pretty late in life. Hazing can affect this, for instance. People with developmental dis…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 08:50 AM
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Drinks calm nerves (dating is always a little intimidating). Bars can be classy and romantic. And drinking is fun for most people, so it's kind of like adding a glaze. You'll have fun and you'll remember you had fun with me. And like coffee, it's low stakes. Easier for either party to politely excuse themselves if they aren't feeling it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 10:14 PM
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Well of course they do, because they're wrong. But one-size-fits all is easier to sell.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 04:32 PM
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If it makes you feel any better, they insist that all men are the same deep down, too. It's a reductive and that's the point of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 12:58 PM
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The materialism, misogyny, and misanthropy bum me right out. I didn't mean for those all to start with M's. For instance: attracting women by flashing wealth and then denigrating women because 'they're all golddiggers who really just want a man to control them.' Like, you got the type of women you were angling for.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 02:07 AM
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So far I've been confused by what folks are saying in this thread. Who says it will happen without work. We're just saying that redpill tactics are scumbaggy and often don't work.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 01:44 AM
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Oh yeah. I definitely don't believe that. I'm not sure I've heard a lot of people say that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 01:41 AM
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I'm so sick of this talking point. Most men stop feeling like this. As you age, you start feeling paternal/avuncular to women 10+ years younger than you. Certainly not every man. Certainly not Leo, but child stardom and arrested development go hand in hand. And certainly not the shitty old men in the Epstein files. But it's not every grown man's fantasy to rob the cradle.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 12:15 AM
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You're definitely right. The best experience comes from longer relationships. But that experience translates into better casual sex later. I know it's hardly an ideal folks will hold up, but I think a very common experience is to be a serial monogamist in your teens to twenties, maybe marrying at some point and then divorcing, and then enter a more casual period in late 20s early 30s where you get to swap experience with other folks, and then usually find someone you connect to with deep, earned…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 11:27 AM
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Yar. There's certainly a lot of men in this space who seem to think they want sex but they want validation or gratification or affection. All of those things can come with sex, but they aren't guaranteed, especially if you have a bunch of negative feelings about women. I'm not sure if I've noticed a lot of anti-sex stuff outside of judging women by N-count, but I also don't hang out with many religiously conservative folks anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 04:52 AM
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Yeah, I think we're in agreement on the second one. But I totally believe that some people have a lot of sex and they're still bad at it. I had one SO who was very sex positive and had dated a man in an open marriage for a while. She told me she never came with him, but he was pretty and nice and sex is still exciting. But I was just flabbergasted that a man in a poly relationship was bad at sex. The orgasm gap is really the only 'settling' I believe almost all women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 03:56 AM
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I just don't believe that I've won the lottery with several women. I do believe that I pay attention learned a lot from the women I've been with. It's not just trial and error. You get a lot from sighs, moans, and movement, etc. But I also find that more worldly women are usually comfortable asking for certain things. And it in no way breaks the mood. Again, my middle-of-the-road sample size, but it's what I've experienced: as me and my partners have gotten older, the ladies are more talky. As f…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 03:49 AM
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Both of those things sound at least somewhat correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 02:25 AM
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I mean, I can only speak from experience. And if you learn nothing, you're incurious and bad at sex. I didn't say they teach*, I said they communicate. Verbally or physically or both. And while I stand by the idea that each woman has somewhat individual needs you get to discover, YOUR sexual experience does carry over as an asset. Unless you're incurious; then you stay bad at sex. *some are actually QUITE explicit and happy to teach.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 02:12 AM
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But there's obviously a correlation between 'likes sex' and 'has had a lot of sex.' And generally, sexually experienced women are more likely to know what they want. You're totally correct that you might not know to satisfy a woman when you start sleeping together, because women are absolutely more unique in that regard. But an experienced woman is also more likely to be communicative in bed. You get to learn something. Win, win, win.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 01:37 AM
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i guess that's what I meant by 'mature.' Adult men should know that sex means more than penetration.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 06:41 PM
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I understand what you're saying and I am every day more grateful for my vasectomy. Certainly health issues can stop sex and they compound with age. But plenty of people continue being sexual into their dotage (I've worked at old-folks homes. Can confirm). And I agree that I wouldn't marry someone without considering the eventuality of slowing or cessation of sexual interaction. But treating it as inevitable it as bad as treating it as unlikely. And I believe mature people actually in love will f…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 03:52 PM
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That would be a healthy reason, yeah. But that's a pause, not a stop.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 11:50 AM
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I'm pretty much with except... Why do you say "when the sex stops?" There area few healthy reasons for sex to stop, but usually it's a bad sign in a relationship. There's no reason sex stopping should be considered inevitable.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 11:39 AM
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It's such a bummer to see Esther Vilar get popular with young men. She's a joyless, sexless jerk who assumes that all other women are, too. She made her career telling misogynists what they want to hear.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 12:43 PM
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I respect that you are correctly flaired
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 03:39 PM
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I have been helped by a lot of men and women in my life, but probably more women. Honestly, you need to get out more. There's just no reality to what you're saying. [edit: I have been harmed WAY more by men. hands down. Not close.]
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 12:48 PM
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good luck with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 12:46 PM
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it's not a war.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 12:42 PM
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again, a perfectly reasonable and poetic thing to say...while high . ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 11:55 AM
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Women as a diaspora? Are you high?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 01:03 AM
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Your approach to people seems to be that it's a chore. Just hang out with folks you like. Entertain women you like because it's fun to do. Or don't if you don't like being social, don't. Other than that, the advice is sound.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 01:36 PM
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this is, in fact the blue pill approach. engage people as individuals and situations as unique.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 03:25 PM
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This is some of the most straightforward good advice I've ever seen in a post. Of course it's getting downvoted. "Your boos mean nothing. I've seen what you cheer."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 11:36 AM
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preach
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 12:08 AM
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There are plenty of male versions of this. How many male sci and fantasy save the world by sacrificing themselves for their one true special lady (Matrix, Disney Hercules, Constantine, etc)? Then there's cat girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 12:48 PM
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It's not worth much. The studio forced them to change the character Switch, who was going to be a different gender inside and outside the Matrix. And the major theme with the pills is about transcending traditional societal roles and boundaries. This goes on and on. It's not hard to draw the line from the folks who made Matrix to the folks who made Sense8. Death of the author and all, but geez.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 11:57 AM
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%100 Yes. Dated Patriarchal misandry. I mean the ladies. Saving the children is still a good idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 01:16 AM
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It continues being hilarious that Redpill takes its central metaphor from a movie made by two trans women in order to...insist on gender essentialism?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 06:07 PM
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that's what you're supposed to learn, I think. Just like men, you have to meet women where they are. There's no magic no-fail strategy. I find men just as weird and inconsistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 01:49 PM
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Honestly, this is mostly just something I've heard all my life. Googling "men with sisters" will bring up a ton of articles that agree, but I'll admit I don't see a lot of data. "Women with brothers" pulls up similar articles about benefits, but not as limited to dating. So it might just be pop psych stuff, tho it makes a lot of sense. More perspective is better. But I can't point to anything that doesn't seem collective/anecdotal. I certainly feel like it's helped me.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 01:08 PM
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disagreeing with 'consistent.' I would say that men are (still) more likely to be bullied and shamed into accepting a narrow field of 'acceptable.' That's where this 'critical' thing comes in. But critical doesn't necessarily mean good or constructive. Often, man to man dating advice is more about enforcing expectations than anything else. Of course, you can get good or bad advice from anyone. But there's a reason men with sisters or close female friends growing up do better with dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 12:22 PM
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So you've got the shitty talk shows with comments of disapproval in the comments from women. You've got r/everydaymisandry, with posts and comments from men and women who are calling this behavior out. You mention r/2xchromosomes (which is often pretty shitty, but does have plenty of men and women in the comments pushing pack on mean spirited posts.) r/witchesvsthepstriarchy isn't really misandrist. The Duluth method that advocates for a nuanced, compassionate, inclusive approach to ending domes…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 09:57 PM
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I did. Women call out other women fairly regularly. What makes you say they don't?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 05:41 PM
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that's the first thing I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 11:35 AM
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Not that uncommon. And I specifically said no one can force you to do this. Can't force you to be nice to waitstaff or help your friends move or refrain from farting in crowded elevators. Don't know why OP is spending this much time and effort insisting they have the right to opt out of being a good influence on their peers.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 04:07 AM
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You don't have to do anything for anyone. That's a whole lot of digital ink to spill to say you don't intend to be helpful and you don't care about other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 01:16 AM
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🤷I guess I'm just irresistible
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 07:31 PM
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I hear you on the not reading bit. I'd still suggest that this sub is a magnet for men who have low standards or are incels and think they have low standards. Redpill men tend to assume that all men feel the same deep down. It's as misanthropic as it is misogynist.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 05:27 PM
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the men with no standards aren't really the norm, either, is my point. And kinda goes to your point, too? I'm not really disagreeing with you much.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 05:20 PM
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Men with lower sex drives aren't screaming into the void of reddit about it here.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 05:06 PM
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I've never known women to have lacking libido. There are lots of men who have high standards, they just usually aren't loud about it. And I've known plenty of women with practically no standards. And in any case, women over 30 put men to shame.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 05:04 PM
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Another famous Indian was Crazy Horse. In conclusion, Libia is a nation of contrasts. Seriously, I'm not understanding how the first two instances are analogous. Adding another example that is entirely outside isn't clearing the waters.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 12:33 PM
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I don't understand why you're using statuary rape as a source of guiding principle here.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 12:21 PM
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you're full of shit. YOUR version of love is like that. Do you have any sisters or female friends?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 03:26 PM
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So blue pill is like heathen. It just describes what something isn't. Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Wiccans, Atheists, all heathens, because 'not christian.'
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 02:00 PM
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Not for nothing, this is definitely a mother's answer. But that's fine. My parents had the same ideas about "the best women." But it comes from a place of love and wanting things to be simple and set for ones kids. Nothing wrong with that. Still, dating in my late 20s and thru my 30s was MUCH better for me. Most of my friends got married in their early-mid 30s. I was the outlier and getting married at 25 is probably what doomed the relationship. I think we would have had more of a chance if we w…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 01:13 PM
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woof. That's the most pillheaded shit I've ever heard and I've been to rehab.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 01:00 PM
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Being a good sibling means calling them on their bullshit. Sure, you give them the benefit of the doubt more than others, but you don't let someone you love act like an asshole and hurt other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 12:54 PM
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Most men have no desire to use their bodies to soothe the egos of insecure women. Yeah, this is pointlessly gendered.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 05:44 PM
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howso?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 02:11 AM
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I think this falls under C. Almost everyone says they value dependability + integrity, and most may mean it. But not everyone really does.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 06:13 PM
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It goes beyond cars for starters. Far more likely to be stopped in any public space for any reason. Far more likely to be assumed to have a weapon or drugs. Far more likely to be reported or accused of something by a civilian for simply being in a public space. Far more likely to be dealt with physically, more often excessively. More likely to be taken in, charged, and pushed for a shifty plea deal, esp if you're ESL. And of course, now we have the masked papers-please brigade. Don't get me wron…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 01:30 PM
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I see what you mean, but no. They are different talks.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 12:56 PM
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heh...I feel like you just described the soul of this sub!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 04:32 AM
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heh. I use facebook to keep up with my extended family and such. My picture is me in safety goggles pulling a face and covered in sawdust. My mom keeps telling me potential employers might search for my name and see it. This is a major concern of hers. In this way, I have brought shame to my family.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 04:29 AM
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I think this is somewhat similar to "the talk" that black kids (and increasingly latino kids) get from adults. Their appearance means that police and other authority figures will treat them differently, possibly in horrifically dangerous ways. As with the "you shouldas," this type of warning should always come with the explicit expression that it is not the victims fault and society should not be this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 08:29 PM
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She is a cold, sexless woman who manipulates men in her life for comfort and materialist gains. She believes all women are like this. Classic misogyny agrees. Nevermind all the women who enjoy sex and have ambitions beyond being taken care of. Most women aren't weaponizing sex. That's just what redpillers say to cope when women don't want to sleep with them. If you choose to be in a relationship with a woman who does treat sex as part of a transaction, you get what you get.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 06:33 PM
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This is where I think it's funny. I've almost exclusively dated women who are more successful than me. I have a bunch of friends and family who are in relationships where the woman is more successful than the man. Hypergamy only exists as much as you invest in rigid gender essentialism. You're making your own chains and complaining that your wrists hurt. Dating is hard enough already without making it bits vs girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 04:59 PM
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This whole 'hypergamy' thing is funny as hell to me. Especially because the same men who are bent out of shape about it will usually say they are uncomfortable dating or marrying women who make more than them. What exactly are you looking for?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 03:42 PM
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Sweet christ, sometimes this is just like watching a cat fight itself in a wet sack. Living in this headspace of tight gender essentialism must be painful and exhausting. Thank God for people like Esther Vilas. Someone has to throw these folks a bone sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 12:45 PM
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clits and tits. duh. what was second of all on this one?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 12:29 PM
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The halo effect is totally a factor. I'm not arguing against the many forms of pretty privilege. "Some vague ideas in their head" That's a hell of a way to describe values, intelligence, personality. Again, Melania. I find her very physically attractive. Any time I spent with her would make me less attracted to her, more ashamed of and grossed out by any physical intimacy we shared. [obviously, I'm going by what I know about her; but think that covers your hypothetical] My SO is more attractive …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 05:32 AM
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Bananapants 1) because spending time with a pretty person you don't like gets old really fast. My favorite example is how shitty it would be to date Melania Trump. and 2) Looks are honestly more subjective than people insist. There are entire genres of models and sex-symbols that I just do not find attractive, even if I can understand why another man might. Hybristiphilia has a fancy name BECAUSE it is unusual. But it also proves that women can find factors other than looks sexually and romantic…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 05:02 AM
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So, as you point out, female pleasure or even consent are in no way necessary for impregnation. So the female orgasm may have developed more in tandem with our pro-social traits. Why not evolve a useful thing like necessary mutual orgasms? Because it didn't happen.* Having an extra two arms or moving the waste organs away from the sex organs would also be beneficial from an evolutionary standpoint, but they just didn't happen. Evolution is pretty good at figuring out why we got certain advantage…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 04:16 AM
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Evolution makes a lot of junk, so it very well might not be an aspect of the female human experience that evolved for anything, BUT... Humans are evolved for social cohesion and raising human children takes an ungodly amount of time and effort. So, it would make sense that the female orgasm evolved to favor men who were smarter, more dexterous, and more committed to their partner. So women don't just want the biggest, healthiest man with the most pleasing secondary sexual features; they get extr…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 03:49 AM
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Almost all my long term SOs have made more than me. It really wasn't an issue. And of course you are right that it is very hard for most couples to live well, let alone start a family, on one income.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 02:27 AM
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The 'message success' graphs tell the story really well. Not a huge difference. Some mild differences that might help men who are strategy-minded, but mostly the issue is more men on dating sites than women. And I wonder why women don't like to be on dating sites. [I really wish they'd made the scale on these graphs the same]
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 01:38 PM
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Remember, all the 'pills' come from Redpill. That is, we're ALL no pill until we're trying to explain ourselves in relation to and in the context of redpill/manosphere stuff. So it's kinda like how a Hindu person might condescend to identify as a heathen or a gentile or an infidel. Or a USian might call themselves a gringo. It's done mostly unseriously and only when in the context of [Christians/Jews/Muslims/Mexicans]. I would never introduce myself as a bluepill gringo gentile unless I was joki…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 01:58 PM
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Two things OP and some folks here are missing: 1) These strategies aren't just about meeting potential mates, but also practicing social skills and developing your personality. These things make you more attractive to everyone. Even women who want a loner want an interesting, charming loner. 2) Worst case is you have a good time.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 12:53 AM
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This is a weird thought experiment and I don't see how it's useful. The economics stuff is particularly nonsensical. Honestly, after the first section you lost the plot hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 04:42 PM
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Yeah. It's a sad state of affairs. But this is actually a great forum for the discussion. Redpill thrives on insecurity and meeting ignorance with misinformation. That's why I'm saying we need to be active in giving young men actual good sex advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 04:38 PM
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Course we can; it just takes effort and enthusiasm. It is genuinely intimidating when you're inexperienced! All the nervousness and crazy emotional earthquakes of attraction and love and lust going off while trying to learn how to communicate with someone in a way that's a bit like the deaf talking to the blind. And sure there's the easily bruised ego to consider, but having sexual prowess is a big deal (i think regardless of gender), and men are physically at a disadvantage, here. We all know h…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 12:45 PM
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To be honest, they used to be better. Certainly OKcupid used to be really useful. It still offers a lot as far as allowing for better dating profiles (which I can promise REALLY helps if you're just regular looking) but a lot of functions are paywalled. Pity.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 02:32 AM
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Curiosity, compassion, and creativity. I should probably learn to value independence more, but I tend to form pretty tight romantic bonds. Gotta be smart and playful.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 05:11 AM
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my arm is not long enough for the jerkoff motion in my soul
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 04:00 PM
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Maxwell is in jail and only alive because she won't talk. That Epstein was protected as long as he was when EVERYONE has known about him for decades (see also: Prince Andrew), and that virtually none of his accomplices and fellow sex criminals are seeing justice, esp in the US, is the thing. Folks like Weinstein, Elizabeth Holmes, Cosby, Martha Stewart are rare exceptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 03:46 PM
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Because she's <<rich and well connected>>. You're tilting at a windmill while there's a real war on.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 03:31 PM
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r/nothowgirlswork
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 03:04 PM
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The gender specific part is the orgasm disparity. That's what I'm talking about in the second bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 01:49 PM
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I think it's boasted about because it's a nice, somewhat rare come up for women. Like winning $1000 on a slot machine. For a lot of reasons, men are the house and the house always wins. Most women come when they get the right mixture of excitement and physical competency, which is tough on a single encounter, but by no means impossible. I've found that it's also VERY important for most women to feel fully un-anxious. This is even harder to achieve with a fleeting encounter, but the inherent exci…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 12:46 PM
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It reads like feminism because it is. And OP didn't advocate for celibacy in any way. It's not clear what you think you read. I'd go into how silly professed worry about population decline is, but I don't want to feed the derail. Speaking of derails and lack of reading comprehension: Bushnell is a VERY weird choice to bring up here. She... also did not pursue celibacy. She's pretty much the poster child for the cynical side of pop-sex positivity. She monetized a bunch of sexual drama in her life…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 12:27 PM
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depends what age, I guess. I feel like it's normal for people to hit their all around peak (sexually, emotionally, healthwise, intelligence, curiosity, open-mindedness) between 29 and 40. I mean all of those things in balance. It's women, not men who get a libido boost during these years.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 12:24 PM
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good. I was worried I was supposed to know who the people in the links are. no one brought them up at the meeting this week.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 12:14 PM
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where are these bloops you speak of?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 08:18 PM
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All men find markers of fertility attractive. Most men find women +/- 10 years their own age more attractive, due to all sorts of psychological reasons. I certainly found women in their 30s more attractive as I approached 30. I think spaces like this are majority young men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 12:42 PM
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OKcupid used to be pretty good for this. Plenty of space to write. Lots of interesting viewable questions. Went on a ton of dates, and even with the ones that weren't emotionally successful the conversation was good.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 03:42 PM
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Hell, this view strips men of agency. People who view the world as this divided along gender lines are horrifyingly childish. I don't believe the OP really does.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 01:00 AM
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Ok. But plenty of men won't have sex with 'anything.' I'd say the majority. And some women will have sex with anything. And some men and women prefer husky partners or are turned on by sex with people BECAUSE they find them unappealing. I don't think it's as gendered as the OP or you would suggest.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 09:48 PM
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I'm sure fatdoods are in the same boat.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 06:16 PM
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People desire different things. Some people are genuinely attracted to obese people. Some people scratch their kink itch by having sex with obese people. People are more likely to pay for sex (or have one night stands) with sexual partners that they wouldn't actually want a relationship with. Not too complicated.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 03:53 PM
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I think they're gaining ground in younger generations. Certainly seems to be the case for young men and boys, so it would follow for young women and girls. This would make sense in a lot of countries because virtually EVERYONE is chronically online and younger generations never weren't. So that's a bummer. Still plenty of not fucked up people out there, but boy are the dumb ones loud. Honestly for people 35 and older, this shit is pretty easy to avoid and ignore.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 12:27 PM
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I actually find myself walking on eggshells more around men I'm casually friends with. Like work friends or dog park friends. Way more likely to hear casual racism and sexism and just general aggressive asshole shit from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 03:48 AM
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Luckily, there are a lot of real flesh and blood women who don't actually think like that at all. So fuck the noise.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 03:43 PM
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I think it's personal. It's pretty damn important to me, but I've been interested in romantic stuff from a young age. Sex followed naturally from that. And the ladies I've been with seemed to be of the same opinion. Probably heavily affected by culture as you say, but there are definitely biological predispositions, and I don't think they necessarily break down easily across sexual lines.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 03:05 PM
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Sounds like you've met a lot of boring women. Or you just don't care to get to know them. I've had so much fun playing music with women. I live in a town where women make up about 75-80% of the leadership roles in our Mutual Aid, food bank, ANTI-ICE, and community organizing groups. Issues that affect everyone. Cooking is fun as Hell. It sounds like you don't think of women as whole-ass people and have very narrow ideas about what being a whole-ass man can be. So yeah, you'll probably have a har…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 06:37 PM
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You must live a pretty boring life. You don't have any passions like music, activism, video games, nature, cooking etc that you think you could share with a female friend?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 05:43 PM
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Redpill fellow above.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 06:02 PM
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Well, good luck with your unsatisfied lovers! I promise I'll be nice to them when they start cheating on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 05:41 PM
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Disagree. Most women seem to want an average sized dick for a long term relationship, and are way more interested in how you use your hands and mouth and how you respond to their bodies. I'm not saying size queens don't exist and the novelty isn't a turn on, but size is the only part of your body you can't control and it seems to matter the least to women in the long run.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 05:31 PM
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totally fair. take care of your dang self!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 11:22 PM
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everybody wants to be a slut/ because a slut's the only slut who knows what is what/every guy is picking up on the joie de vivre/and every gal got an IUD I've heard some horny birds that want to swing / but a slut's the only slut who gets to be king / no time for taking pills or fucked up shit like that / cuz good giving game is where it's at and everyone born with a horn should go get a vasectomy/ [rinky tinky tinky] I dig what you said. is your flair taken from from XKCD? [buddah num bum budum…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 11:20 PM
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This is not a bad debate. A little bit like watching leopard bate faces. But I really like to see it play out. Hits on both sides. But it's a solved problem. Let's leave our fathers fighting in their sacs, et al.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 05:53 PM
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The world needs more experienced women. And men! This sub seems to exist for men who want to be sluts to dunk on men who would marry one.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 02:57 PM
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I heard that black folks got radicalized in the US, once. Some say there are still emergent properties from this event. Huge socio-economic shift, almost like it's some type of complex multi-generational process. Why would anyone ever wish to upset the status quo?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 04:01 PM
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I've never met a feminist who honestly thinks equality isn't the end game. Like progressivism, the term kinda means: look at all this fucking work. And it might not end.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 06:40 PM
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fully agreed. This sub seems like a bunch of people playing spy games, thinking the other sex has a playbook or battleplan. It would be much better if we were taught from a young age that we're all just people. And that the very real biological differences between the sexes do not dehumanize anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 06:17 PM
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totally. I've been with many women who have a fraught relationship with birth control of all types. This is why I hazard to talk about it as if I actually had to deal with it personally. But from Pills to patches to IUDs, there's a quiet mental health crisis going on. The psych difference when changing or forgoing birth control is wild and I can tell you as a bystander that it isn't taken seriously. Half of my SOs have simply not had periods for years, and while that's not necessarily a problem,…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 05:45 PM
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Man anti-MAGA here to say same. And to the point of the OP, it's MUCH more the manosphere and patriarchy that cause men to hate men. But sure as shit ain't no one has a monopoly on misanthropy. And conflating sex with read political alignment is a great way to have a bad conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 03:18 PM
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I can't think of a way to yes/and this without sounding creepy or offering purely second-hand experience. But I think that this sub is better when we acknowledge genuine differences between the sexes, and this is a big one. It can be expressed entirely differently from woman to woman, but I think part of being a good male partner is becoming attuned to this.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 02:17 PM
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I like the bot body type. Y'know. Where I look like a string of characters that no human would ever write into paragraphs. Ladies love this. A projection of strength that can never let them down. Trapazoidal?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 11:57 AM
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Religion is just social tech. It isn't actually divinely granted. Shhhhh. Don't tell anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 09:54 AM
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Yup. She was my first. She cheated on me while on a semester abroad. Took her back. She cheated on me two years later. Then she acted confused when I broke up with her. I didn't do her or myself any favors. Early life lessons. I generally believe it's good to go out and get your heart broke, but even I'll admit that this was an unforced error.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 01:53 PM
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It's also not all about what you can do for them or they can do for you. My SO is super active in her community and helps people all the time and I genuinely admire her. She tells me all the time that she loves me because I tend to give everyone the benefit of the doubt. Those fall under the category of conditions for our love for each other, but they aren't transactional.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 01:21 PM
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I'm pretty much settled down now, but it varied throughout my life and I think that's normal. As a teen and young adult, I wanted to find someone I was really in love with, and turned down a lot of chances at casual hookups because they weren't my first choice. Had a few long-term girlfriends. Got married at 25. Divorced at 27. Started dating openly and didn't mind a hookup or even just a good conversation, but was still always looking for a real connection that would lead to a relationship. All…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 01:13 PM
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Fuuuuuck anyone who thinks you need religion to incentivize good. Humans evolved to work together. The fossil record proves that we've always taken care of our sick and infirm and old and tried to rehabilitate our wounded. And if you REALLY need a cookie as an incentive, this strategy leads to better outcomes over all. Lone wolves aren't special boys. They're sad, desperate creatures who don't have a pack.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 12:14 PM
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No. I care to provide the opposite of that. The purpose of humanity is human connection.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 07:19 PM
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Just as good idea as AI art and music! Just as appealing. Just as good a solution to our growing sense of isolation and dehumanization as tech billionaires have taken over the world. Humanity sucked anyway! Let's go!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 11:43 AM
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I'm saying that this isn't an issue that affects one gender more than the other in a simple way. Jealousy is a reasonable human experience until it is not. Until it is expressed abusively. Both men and women are equally capable of being the aggressor, here. Both men and women are eqally capable of buying into the abuse of a controlling partner. I would concede that the way this abuse and violence is expressed has gender-specific aspects, when taken statistically. But that has more to do with the…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 03:04 PM
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it is simply disingenuous to pretend that women aren't demonized for this. the normal take is this, and it applies to PPD in a way I've felt all my life in my old ass bones: Water is wet. Men and women designate things done to men as the baseline. If you don't see the shit men are complaining on PPD as problems that both men and women deal with, please for the love of everything holy and the benefit of men and women everywhere try to see women as people. People just like you. I don't mean to be …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:57 PM
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oh friend...can i start now, or should I wait for you
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:44 PM
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Maybe I'm just lucky. I spend my time here listening to PPD noise
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:17 PM
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We should probably give some deference to OP, who sounds like they've been on the shit end of the stick. But certainly reactionary gender BS ain't helpful, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 06:47 PM
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People do this on both sides of the gender divide. PPD is full of pointlessly gendered takes, but this one is eating a lot of cake.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 06:37 PM
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yr on the wrong sub. men here will only tell you there's no such thing as a female inclel. honestly tho, what are you coming with? all you told us is that folks won't date you. Why would you date you?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 12:29 PM
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we're all kids, here. realistically, this reddit sub is a place to talk out these gender dismprphs semi-anonymously. Is there a XX version of man child? Or does our sex retain the rights to infantilization in this framework?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 05:59 PM
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before or after you go, girl?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 05:48 PM
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I think there is a good conversation to be had here about pornography in general. A lot of mainstream porn features violence against women. Men on this sub will often express viewpoints that reflect this. A lot of romance novels directed to women are based around similarly violent scenarios. I don't think this is because people want violence in their sex. I think people want story. For instance: incest porn has come to dominate. I don't think that's because people want incest. I think it's becau…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 02:32 PM
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oh...that's the only reason I come here. I want to help men feel better about the world. non-rhetorical: what's your angle?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 02:30 PM
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Then stop telling this sub to stop making bullshit claims about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 02:08 PM
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People. Just say people.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 01:20 PM
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Trump is more Bebe supporting than anyone. The old warm stance of the Dems on Gaza is a thing, but Trump wasn't quiet; he fellated Bebe. And Israel opposition votes were not important in the race. That is, Trump didn't win on them. They were functionally irrelevant. So we still have an anti-democratic president as the leader of the first modern democracy because of something else. Voters chose this guy for other reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 10:25 AM
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I would agree with you if it wasn't Trump. And if it wasn't Biden. We elected tired daddies. In flavors of compassionate and screaming rage. Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 10:10 AM
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I'm a bit confused by your last question. Seems like it's supposed to be rhetorical, but I'm genuinely stumped for what you're getting at. Can you unpack that?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 09:43 AM
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He wasn't on the menu. It speaks volumes that I still hear people talking like Biden was running. There was this whole other person. She seems to be invisible, because assholes can't see women?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 03:23 AM
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Biden won against Trump on not being a criminally insane piece of shit. Trump Won his reelection because people really wanted a criminally insane piece of shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 03:09 AM
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No. I didn't forget Harris, I just meant HRC as well. I mean we've had two perfectly qualified candidates and our dumb ass constituency keeps voting in a cartoon villain with a rap sheet that's longer than his pederast dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 03:04 AM
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like...what gynocracy?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 01:43 AM
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I disagree. if nothing else, this is a well considered argument. And put well. They aren't painting all men or masculinity as read toxic. That seems to be something you're adding. Sure, it's a bit of a rant, but PPD hosts plenty of those. To equate the manosphere with feminism is like equating flat-earthism with civil rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 12:03 AM
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well...the Biden administration was demonstrably mid but not incompetent. The pull out of Afghanistan was dictated by Trump and started by Bush Jr, but I certainly won't say that it was done well. It was kinda just an open sore tha Biden was tasked with bandaid-ripping. The Biden administration didn't tank the economy, destroy social safety nets, or remove rights from women and lawful residents. who look brown. And then there is the cruelty. Harris would have been a mid place holder, but things …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 11:49 PM
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yeah...Biden should have dropped out earlier. And Harris was no one's fist pick. But Trump was and is an agent of fascism. The collective failure of us to vote against him is VERY much tied up in misogyny. So using the phrase gynocracy rings silly. It is pretty clear that Americans would rather vote for a brazen, demented dickhead than a competent woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 11:24 PM
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gynocracy is a bit of tell. I know I'm just dunking on you at this point, but who is that famous female US president?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 11:10 PM
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christ is this dumb take.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 10:57 PM
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i don't know. talking to women is what has generally made me a good partner. reciprocal orgasms is occasionally a chore [no one is suggesting that it is not easier to get a man off than a woman] but a good man loves his partner's pleasure, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 10:46 PM
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Like...women really like sex. Did you not get the memo?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 10:29 PM
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i know that words can't hurt me. Silence would be enough
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 10:24 PM
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sorry i find this vague. what are you referring to as outliers?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 10:19 PM
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the rare double superlative. never incapable. AND you've never met a woman with a sex drive that eclipsed yours? not wicked hard to find. what are you on about?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 09:29 PM
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As much as I love me some Pinker, you're doing the blank slate dirty. Acknowledging biological predisposition doesn't negate the wealth of culture. Creating a world that serves both sides of our 50/50 divide is what we're evolved for. "Men and women see and experience the world differently, including love," Hard no. The hardest no. Fuck right off levels of no. Don't expect us to deal with your cope, as the kids would say. Loving someone for what they are is the only game in town.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 09:17 PM
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Please don't drag our gender into your shit. Plenty of men and women feel the way you do about these things. but you're just describing boring to us. That's fine. Let the rest of us enjoy good company. You don't have to question our gender credentials to sit at home and watch sports. We're not going to give you shit for staying out of the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 01:55 PM
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Are you...talking about an actual person? None of the things you mentioned are huge red flags. Is she nice? Do you guys get along?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 07:50 AM
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"good chunk of piercings" is going to stay with me
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 07:48 AM
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yea. my conceit was that we're all kinda fucked and that it is difficult to judge a relationship from outside, but not always wrong. So, you can never judge a marriage or a coupling based on what you want and you should always respect the folks in it trying to make it work. But if you see some major issues, it is kind of yours to speak up to the wronged person But EVERYONE and EVERY RELATIONSHIP is work and an explosion and fights and shit, sometimes. If you don't think that will happen in yours…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 03:12 PM
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Do you think there's folks who have no broken?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 03:00 PM
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got the first bit. having a little trouble parsing "yes. and..." could you elaborate on the more common? OR just all of it. I feel like you answered a multiple choice question with "yeah." ;>
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 02:43 PM
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Do you think folks are attracted to shitty behavior? This is non-rhetorical. Everyone has and acquires shit to work out their whole damn life, so a good match is a partner, I think. But, do you think there are people who seek out obviously broken? Or do you think it is more common to fall in love and then realize the broken and double down? Fully rhetorically: I'm working from the premise that we're all broken, about to be broke, or made of fine China.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 12:37 PM
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You haven't met humans, huh? I hope you get happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 12:04 PM
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Yeah. It becomes easier when you start saying people. I'm not saying that men and women aren't pushed into certain flavors of abusive or toxic or shitty relationships by local culture. Duh. That's why we're all here. But Anyone can be shitty and anyone can fall in love with and want to work thru shitty. Hell, that's probably half of relationships. My point is that we shouldn't blame this behavior on gender. The flags might look a bit different, but they're all a bit red. Everyone has shit to dea…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 12:03 PM
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That is not the way self-identifying sigmas present, as far as I've seen. What you describe sounds like what is usually referred to as self-actualization. The used phrase "sigma" comes from a late addition to the already silly and disastrously popularized "alpha/beta" concept of leadership and masculinity based on wolves behaving antisocially in captivity. Inventors, travellers, wildlife photographers, discovers describes humans doing human shit. Edison, Earhart, Darwin, Goodall, Camus, Shelly, …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 11:22 AM
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Nah. Unless you mean that we only help each other because it feels good. But that's nature. So humans are communal and social by nature. Virtually all humans and some of what we call higher animals show universal feelings of justice and compassion. Genetically and memetically, those things are selfish in that they've lead to our survival and thriving, but that still means that humans are categorically NOT selfish by nature. We're hyper adapted to care for humans and animals that are not related …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 04:08 PM
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Good luck on your period of self-sought isolation. Certainly, great things have been learned by and from monks and hermits.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 03:57 PM
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True independence is living in the woods. You're lying to yourself that this is what you want. Everything is essentially meaningless and materialism is the fact of your body's need for sustenance and shelter. Everything else is just the gravy we make out of our neurons and hormones. It can be really fun, beautiful gravy if you learn to live and work with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 03:51 PM
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Masculinity isn't a huge mystery. It's stuff men do while self-identifying as men. Self reliance is nice, but it's part of a spectrum, not an achievable state. Like cleanliness or health. Or masculinity for that matter. You can have an awful, anti-social, self-debilitating relationship with any of those aspects. And it is impossible to achieve perfection. And while you don't owe the universe or your community anything, you're human, and will probably find life far more enjoyable in community wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 03:42 PM
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That you lack the courage of your convictions. Because they are silly. 'Sigma male' is what you say to absolve yourself from engaging with your humanity. I'll be the first to admit that society is fucked. That the universe lacks inherent meaning. I'll even throw in anti-natalism. But you can only keep your head down so long before you need to admit that you inevitably are part of a community. Unless you go to the woods to be a hermit. If you don't do that, you're just being both selfish and self…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 03:14 PM
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It's an illusion. Do you walk on streets and live in buildings built by other people? Do you participate in an economy held up by society? It's cool if you don't want to be in a romantic relationship. Just don't make it out to be a virtue or claim that it's a badge of your self-sufficiency. You're not self-sufficient. If you were, you wouldn't be on reddit talking to people and seeking validation for your ideas. It's just a silly stance to take and it will hold you back. You're defining yourself…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 02:57 PM
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Cool. Then kindly fuck off to the woods. I don't really mean that. I think you're just a hrt person, like most of us. But "sigma" is still bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 02:52 PM
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Counterpoint: Sigma males don't really exist. Humanity's greatest strength comes from community. Sigma males are house cats that have convinced themselves they are self sufficient. Unless you're living alone in the woods providing your own food shelter and tools, you are not a loner. Stop cosplaying and learn how to be a member of your species. Human brains only got so big because we evolved to be EXTREMELY social and that gave us long lives and the ability to share resources and knowledge. You …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 02:33 PM
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Eh. Admittedly, I'm just not that hung up on blood.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 04:41 PM
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Yeah, this is someone trying to create a categorical imperative around their own selfishness. What a terrible thing to raise a child who is not related to you by blood. What possible benefit could there be for you or society? How could you ever love another human being as a caregiver? The horror!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 11:36 AM
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Stress relief. Stamina practice. Prostate health. Potency health (if you want that). Getting in touch with your sexuallity. And, as Mark Twain once said, its cheapness. It can also be a boon for people battling addiction. Post Acute Withdrawal Syndrome is when your body has a REALLY hard time producing serotonin in levels that keep you from being debilitatingly depressed, and masturbation is one of the few things that can reliably do that. Healthier than eating a ton of sugar, which is also a co…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 01:30 PM
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I'm saying the women who used it as porn (at least the ones I knew) liked the economic domination. And Trump bullies EVERYONE in his orbit. I've worked at places where bullying was practically the management style. Of course he abuses the libs, but he also abuses everyone who supports him, and they in turn punch down. This pecking order, this order of succession, is key to the masculine christofascist world view.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 12:37 AM
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And as you get older, you totally find people your own age more attractive than you did. I'm not saying you stop finding young people attractive. But I find 40-50 year olds far more attractive now that I'm 40 than I ever did at 20 or 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 03:01 PM
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I would push back just a little on this, having known a lot of conservative men and women. They TOTALLY WANT A BOSS. Donald Trump and Fifty Shades of Gray are clear indicators of both men and women wanting to be dominated by rich kings. I personally find it gross as Hell and I think it leads to a terrible mindset and worldview. But these aren't people who necessarily have self esteem issues, moreso than their progressive counterparts. They just buy into the idea of hierarchy and dominance in...i…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 02:58 PM
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Fine for you. Some of us like romance. Even us goofy side-character types. There are goofy side character ladies who are hot AF. I've hooked up with a handful of women who tell me I remind them of Robin Williams. Christina Hendricks has been married to no less than two doofy looking fellahs who make her laugh. personality doesn't go a long way for everyone, but I don't really want to date shallow ladies anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 02:52 PM
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Eh. I don't know about that. Most of these guys go for long term relationships, as do I. But, during periods of dating the possible outcomes are 1) meet an interesting person with no spark 2) meet an interesting person with spark 3) it was just hook up 4) it was a train wreck and now I have a story. That seems to be in order of descending probability. Good dating sites and some texting or chatting beforehand really helps. But for my lady friends, they seem to end up on a lot of not interesting/n…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 10:38 AM
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I reject this guy's premise. most of my lady friends dread dating. All my man friends love it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 09:09 PM
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We have a violent abusive culture which is wrapped up in our culture of violent masculinity. The US should have stronger gun laws and better access to mental health (really health of all kinds). It would benefit everyone. It would certainly curtail violent crime and stymie the cycle of abuse. It would also strengthen families and communities, which would (without a doubt) make forging romantic relationships easier by leaps and bounds. There. There's my grand unified theory. [edit: To your point,…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 04:03 PM
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I've almost exclusively dated women who made more than me. This was never a problem. The only time money was a problem, in fact, was when I dated a woman who made less than me. And that still wasn't all of the problem. It just didn't help.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 12:57 PM
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One of the chief early indicators of gun crime is domestic abuse. This is obviously the case for familial homicide. But abuse is also heavily correlated with mass shootings. Importantly, in the case of mass shootings, the assailant may be the abuser, the abused, or be part of a house-hold where abuse of another person is common. Whis is all to say that there are major factors that perpetuate and exacerbate violence, and lack of sex just isn't one of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 12:39 PM
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We've made it so that one's job is the place where one interacts with the most people, and a job is quite reasonably) a place where a level of professionalism is enforced to avoid coercion and abuse, though that's still a major place where people meet partners. De-emphasis on IRL familial and social communities is where things are really hurting. Neighbors don't go on vacations together. You don't go to church or town fairs or volunteering events or intermural sports...etc. You don't meet people…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 12:26 PM
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China's birth rates were engineered to be low. And birth rates are a bad metric anyway. Developed countries have lower birth rates, but that doesn't mean low coupling rates. It means economic stability leads to low birth rates.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 12:20 PM
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I'm confused, too (how what you said could be considered RP). You're giving examples of how status isn't a deal breaker for women. I mostly 'punch above my weight,' but only as narrowly defined by red pill values. Real people find all sorts of things to value in their partners and relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 02:49 PM
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I hope you meet some women some day.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 12:23 PM
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Wow. Nope. The term incel was coined by and popularized by women who couldn't find sex. You're simply incorrect. The internet has lied to you. And saying 'every woman has infinite value' is such a deeply strange thing to express. There are so many upsetting assumptions wrapped up in that statement, many of them contradictory. It certainly expresses a lack of your own self-worth.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 12:00 PM
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Total bullshit, my friend. The issue is that women who can't are completely invisible to men on this sub. Men who can't get laid are entirely visible to women, because an upsetting amount go out of there way to be loudly antisocial. This is not to demonize lonely men, just to say tat we don't talk about the "problem of lonely women,' despite the fact that they exist in similar amounts.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 11:21 AM
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about as much as women do. I'm so sick of this 90% BS
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 01:58 AM
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A very small but ubiquitous subset of trolling grape farmers has made a good business marketing their grapes as too good for the common fox, only interested in 6' + foxes. Apparently they sell a lot of grape skin moisturizing products and extra high trellises? Meanwhile, a whole bunch of wolves have painted themselves red and are making a killing selling extra-red pills to foxes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 01:41 PM
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Oh. Then you're probably getting what you deserve.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 03:40 PM
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You've never found someone more attractive as you've gotten to know them?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 03:29 PM
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I've never heard this said. I non-rhetorically want you to tell me what that means.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 03:00 PM
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I've read this three times. I have no idea what you're talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 12:59 PM
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nah. The reciprocal thing is also part of it. In fact, that's what makes for a good relationship. There's a really good book called Debt: The First 5000 years, where the economist outlines the process of gift giving between people. The peace and pleasure comes from never actually settling up, but always leaving something in arrears, or at least vague. So to pay off a debt in full would be insulting; basically you're putting an end to the trade. Similarly, love must be made out of a sense of mutu…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 03:49 PM
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this is a thing I hear a lot on this sub. Some men like sex. Some women like sex. For 10,000 reasons and counting, intimacy is a thing people seek out. Even enough to weather rejection and failure. Even for EH sex. Porn is just a facsimile. This is not a gendered thing. It is a personal thing. One's own personal pleasure pales in comparison to causing another person pleasure for a lot of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 02:57 PM
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Outside of conscription, you've got nothing. And it's misogynists that make it legally harder for non-cishetmen to serve in the military. In general, it sounds like you are arguing for more egalitarian laws. Go for it!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 01:13 PM
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This is great frigging advice and really well put. Being able to roll with risk is a difficult thing, but you can hone it. Good for you! And thanks. I'll be thinking about what you said as I go about my own shit, today.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 01:37 PM
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Been in relationships where I realized my partner was more messy than me. This was a problem, because I'm messy. By this, I mean just seeing thru problems and not noticing. A good couple fills in the blanks for each other. AND can talk about it. Often, one sees the problem before it really becomes a problem for the other. But hints are good. And then being able to give direct feedback and actually be listened to...well that's the gold.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 12:35 PM
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You're right. I guess I've heard a lot of men argue that they don't want the same thing. But I don't believe that either. I think everybody wants what I'm describing as "drama." And I got myself talking bullshit trying to ascribe it to gender. It comes down to finding a narrative to connect over, and how that can be romantic.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 09:32 PM
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I think I'm fully in agreement with you, but I don't have the wherewithal to talk about what's going on with the gender disparity. Because it's probably overblown, but I wouldn't say it's nothing. Nobody wants to be the pumpkin :)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 08:26 PM
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yeah. i think communication is generally the thing. A sense of play is important in flirting, dating, and sex. I've done a good amount of online and blind dating and sometimes the person is beautiful and interesting, but there's just no back and forth. I think people sometimes try to force past an awkward date just to get in bed, and that rarely works out well. And THAT I would say is gendered, because I'd say an awkward, ill-met hookup is bad for everyone but worse for the woman involved. In an…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 07:05 PM
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heck....as a fellow has been suicidal since 11, I'd say that's still the better option. Why be a scumbag? What's the old saying? Better or nothing?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 06:29 PM
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fair enough...what do you really want? is it possible you've confined your needs and wants within a bunch of arbitrary frameworks which make it difficult for you to find and nurture a romantic relationship. Perhaps you've come to see potential mates as a sort of numbers game or status symbol.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 06:03 PM
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be. a. friggin. person.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 05:57 PM
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wouldn't a low ncount woman be kinda shit in bed? i really don't know how ncount works. non-rhetorical
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 05:53 PM
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Yar. I really enjoy evolutionary psychology. Steven Pinker and Robert Wright and Dawkins make for great reads. And I'd contend that Daniel Dennett was an absolute sweetheart. But having a sense of temporal humility is key to getting anything out of them. It's more poetic musing than science. And the misogyny really just wafts off the 90s stuff. And then you have your Peterson's et al.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 04:59 PM
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I'm a dude who has never wanted kids and been lucky to almost always find women who felt the same. Still, I love kids and my worst relationships were with people who actually just...did not. I come from a big family and have tons of nieces and nephews. Many of my siblings have struggled with fertility, so some of my anti-natalist talk has sometimes offended them in a way that I truly feel bad about. The solution is clear, if not simple. Never restrict birth control. Help folks have kids if they …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 02:34 PM
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I'd say that every woman I've been with (including very long term relationships) has been turned on by a sense of drama. I don't mean conflict, necessarily, I mean story. This could be a story of danger or safety or struggle or resolution. I'm a huge nerd, so I'm pretty into it, too. But there's a reason most men can get off to a suggestively shaped pumpkin, while women prefer a soap opera or a novel, speaking broadly. So a loveless bedroom is one without drama. And a new relationship or hookup …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 02:15 PM
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Money. Our society is killing men. People on this sub complain that women are hypergamous. Then complain that women love low-lifes. Straight women like men. Our society likes money. Late stage capitalism is not conducive to anything good in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 02:05 PM
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Do you have any idea how much food we waste in the western world? I work with two food banks, and the issue is not sourcing food. It's getting it to people. We never have an issue getting store-rooms full of donations. We can't give it away fast enough. Our economy creates abundance without need. Wealth without value.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 12:18 PM
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Again...socioeconomic problem. Our failure to deal with income inequality doesn't mean that there isn't enough to go around. The pie is already big enough. If we cared about feeding and clothing and sheltering people, we could and would. We don't care about that. So creating more mouths above replacement rate just seems diabolical.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 12:12 PM
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I mean. I'm not really blue pilled, I'm just using the cosplay rules y'all decided on.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 12:07 PM
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These are socioeconomic problems, not biological. There is enough money and food and shelter to take care of both the young and old, even while our population thins. I say this as someone who's worked in old-folks homes, so I'm not blind to the issues. The endless-growth model of capitalism is the problem. An endless growth-model of population is not the solution. At some point, we need to apply the massive efficiency surplus to people in an equitable way. None of this has to do with sex or gend…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 11:56 AM
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no-snark: it's nice to see redpill dudes calling out bullshit in their ranks. good on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 11:43 AM
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There are groups like the Promise Keepers and the Oath keepers that have been around forever and deeply gel with what you're saying. The issue is that you're still looking at this thru a pointlessly gendered lense. The pedestals are the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 11:35 AM
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granted, the song is 20 years old, so almost. And of course, it was written by a rock star, so she wasn't having any difficulties. And I wouldn't even say that people are the same as they were back then, because I'm old enough to understand the seismic shift between pre and post social internet. Still, Jenny Lewis is nothing if not a part of media and the change in time. And then, every woman I've ever been with has wanted a mixture of safety and mystery. Anxiety can make a man come prematurely …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 12:39 PM
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I don't know. I've had a lot of great long and short term romantic relationships. What does my appreciation of I Saw the TV Glow have to do with it? That I'm old?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 10:31 AM
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"The talking leads to touching and the touching leads to sex and then there is no mystery left."
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 10:27 AM
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It's definitely a race to the bottom. Having been around, it seems that all women are very different. Some need stamina, but some get worn out quick. Some need a big dick, but it's mostly just a trophy. Pretty much all of them need a good mouth or set of fingers. Some of them need patience. Some of them need urgency. Some need a sense of safety. Some need a sense of danger. Most need what the situation calls for. EVERY one of them need you to communicate and figure out what they need, be it verb…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 10:12 AM
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Which part? The growing divide between rich and poor is pretty well documented as is a consolidation of power in the hands of folks with racist and far-right ideas despite their policies proving unpopular, even amongst those who have supported and voted for them. Oh...and I don't know a single person, rich or poor, who has trouble getting laid. Plenty of bitching from both men and women about quality of life and mates, but work is still being done.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 07:05 PM
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sorry. I meant romantically. Financially and societally, we're still all fucked. But there's plenty of romance in the trenches.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 05:36 PM
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Yeah...there's a lot of complaining on this sub about how terrible and vapid women are. But those are just the types redpillers go after. They deserve each other. The rest of us in the real world seem to be getting along just fine. Huge n-counts for everybody. Mutually supportive relationships. Attraction based on the whole of the person rather than the sum of parts.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 05:00 PM
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constantly disproven statistic. even on this sub
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 05:25 PM
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Sorry. Not following
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 04:33 PM
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Yes....and that's just talking about large cities in the US. We could also discuss 10,000 person towns in different regions/countries. The dating cultures are just going to be wildly different. Your ground idea is simple to the point of useless.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 04:11 PM
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Average western cities have nothing in common with each other. Boston, Detroit, and Louisville have roughly the same population. How the fuck would you compare the situation in those cities?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 03:05 PM
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Vague hypothetical. What's the society of this island look like? What is the history of the family structures, community structures, economy, income disparity, government, social norms...etc etc etc? I don't know what you're trying to get out of this question.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 02:53 PM
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Perhaps it's generational. Maybe a true sign of this type of shift. I have had to endure tons of men at school and in the work place talking about their sex life. But I'm like 40.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 01:42 PM
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I'm a fellow, so I tend to think of this as more of a male thing, but I'm obviously not really privy to the other side. However, it is usually a thing that will make me immediately dislike a male friend or coworker. I don't know if it's actually that gendered.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 04:42 PM
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I mean, if you're arguing for marriage counselling through couples therapy and group therapy and support groups, sounds great. Divorce is already heavily stigmatized, but we could totally benefit from a stronger culture of support and healing. Still doesn't end the legal necessity for no fault divorce. Kinda like how we should totally rally around support networks for families and children and have a robust culture of child education and welfare, including adoption and fostering. We don't, but w…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 02:25 AM
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As a fellow, I generally have had best success in relationships when the woman makes the last move. So I think OP's list is pretty spot on. So a dude pretty much dances around the idea while trying not to be blunt. We're still talking about kissing, here. Consent is important but still a bit of an implied and inferred thing at that point. Bt even with my SO of several years, I sometimes use the phrase "is this ok?" But I guess romance is often just a gradual ramping up of shared comfort. People …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 10:04 AM
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Thing is, lying exists. Shilling certainly does. George Foreman didn't necessarily grill that much. And grifting seems to have become roughly 49% of our economy. AI will get us over the hump. And the rest of us are temporarily embarrassed whales.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 09:41 AM
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men really spend a lot of time disliking women around here. But that there was word for this inclination and behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 01:13 AM
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Good lord, men use women like this like hell. What, my brother in christ, are you on about?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 11:29 PM
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partly....we're all just people being screwed over and coaxed into fighting each other. Whatever differences exist between the genders are so highly weaponized by monied interests that we may as well be sexless drones.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 08:10 PM
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I don't think that follows. I suppose I mean more along the lines of: don't eat what Michael phelps does.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 06:12 PM
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There's plenty of fish in the sea. Also: people in the sea. Which were you trying to fuck again?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 05:37 PM
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I think Nietzsche talked about this. Don't ask a bodybuilder for diet tips. There are many ways to be healthy, and what you picture as health might be dangerous for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 05:34 PM
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I'd only rejoin with: you can't learn anything from a shop-teacher with all his fingers. That is, when you meet normal folks who have had luck in love, it is usually because they have also had failure.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 05:30 PM
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Instinctive is the wrong word, here. Kinda the point. It is learned that violence is inherently masculine and that victimhood is inherently feminine. So not instinctive. Just intuitive.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/25 01:34 PM
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if you're a child, this is true. Attraction is hugely subjective if you're an adult.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 05:22 PM
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Sounds like a sad life trying to win a lottery. And then the lottery is gross. But then, you're basing "value" around old sexist traits. There are two real issues in coupling: wealth gap and orgasm gap. Women have be closing the first thru hardwork. Redpill men are freaking out because they can't seem to muster the ethic to close the latter. But that's just the dumb shit focused on here. PEOPLE of BOTH SEXES* are struggling with loneliness, lack of affection, lack of community, and poverty. Cook…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 05:20 PM
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I don't think we're disagreeing here. I think that most people learn over time that being attractive is more subjective than given credence, here. And for both sexes. One learns about themselves and learns about real people. Neither mutually exclusive and both adding to distinct sexual currency. So many folks here say that folks settle around their 30s. Bullshit. I don't want what I wanted in my teens and 20s because I didn't know shit about myself back then. Also, being around a badass partner …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 01:37 AM
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IMHO, it's circular because it is bullshit. Oldass stereotypes. General insecurity and risk aversion. Grandstanding. Misanthropy. People are fucking people and most of the issues you see here come from a desire for a sure-fire dating strategy or simple definitions of gender and sexuallity. Neither exists in a useful way. Approaching people as individuals with genuine interest works....not all the time, because of course not everyone is compatible. But risk and exploration are rewarded...more of …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 12:23 AM
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Why do people who benefit from a one-sided power system...support the power system that privileges them? Why would they reject facts and statistics that make this ghoulish reality tangible and measurable in a way that makes their complicity morally indefensible?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 11:30 PM
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eh, invisibility is the lot of all folks these days. no person can compete with the shiny brick in the pocket. Solidarity is going to give a lot less than it’ll take Is there a girl at this college who hasn’t been raped? Is there a boy in this town that’s not exploding with hate? Is there a human alive who can look themselves in the face Without winking, or say what they mean without winking Or believe in something without thinking, “What if somebody doesn’t approve?” Is there a soul on this Ear…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 01:03 PM
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we're unemployed
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 12:58 PM
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At this point, I can't tell the difference between RFK bits and Poe's law.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 07:36 PM
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feeling bad feels bad. getting your heart broke sucks if you don't want to learn, your heartbreak is sad, you;re a sweet sensitive boy. what are you looking for, really? this block of text? cold approach? get warm.Lm don;t approach a woman cold. that's the only advice for a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 05:51 PM
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you son of a bitch. Like a lot of shit talked on this sub, it's always been men writing, shooting, editing, and acting after these ideals. Women laugh off screen, and mostly fuck guys who look like Shane Black.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 04:32 PM
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you work at the strawman shop? i've worked in places where things like this have happened....rarely. women can certainly be inappropriate in the workplace. "i" statements, friend. if this is really an ongoing thing, you're in a fucked up workplace.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 03:36 PM
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I dunno. How'd the relationship start? What were you looking for? What was she? This is like when people say they got married and didn't ask their partner if they wanted kids. Sounds like some stuff you should have talked about already.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 05:52 AM
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Like, you don't have to. None of us do. Demands on men have become real easy if you're willing to find ways to be a good partner to a woman who wants you for them. Pillow and wall can be interchangeable. Mens' demands on women HAVE eroded; it's just that you maybe haven't noticed because you never valued women the way men did in the past and some men still do. You didn't think those "traditionally feminin" traits were worth any actual value. This is actually kinda gross, because you're DEVALUING…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 07:37 PM
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That's called culture, also not following what I was saying
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 09:55 PM
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Hard agree. There are biological differences in the way people enjoy and need and want sex. * The spectrum is cast across gender and embraced by folks of all stripes along their attraction, because the most fun game is actually finding out what gets your partner off, especially if they're playing the same game against you. That's the kinda thing that keeps a bedroom warm. That sounds adversarial, but it is the opposite. Humans are a gift giving people. Refusing a gift is a show of dislike. Being…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 05:28 PM
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that 99 is doing a bit of heavy lifting, but I don't disagree with the hope. We don' take care of that many people now, regardless of gender. But we could. And we want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 09:20 PM
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gonna be bad. you're going to have to rely on your neighbors. it takes a village. don't turn your back. go forward and help
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 09:14 PM
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These are some extraordinarily hypothetical women you're talking about. You have half the population to date. You'll be ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 06:19 PM
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Blue pill man agrees. This is a silly question.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 04:50 PM
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I'm so sick of this. The 80/20 keeps being debunked and you all keep standing up for it. Woman with an attractive successful man: you all say hypergamy. Woman with a skuzzy dude,: you all say women like bad-boys. Straight women like men. YOU'RE the 20. Most men have no problem finding dates. You don't try. Somebody told you that in the 50s, you could stick your finger in the river and a fish would bite it. Wasn't true then either. Who told you that, they were bitter. Now you're bitter. And you h…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 12:13 PM
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why do you want to have kids? the fuck?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 05:44 PM
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whut?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 10:37 AM
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Define sex, i guess? A lot of male insecurity on this sub seems to fixate around a functioning member or a stimulus response without taking into account working mouth or hands. So are you saying incapable of sex or unwilling/indifferent to sex? Hell. A bunch of y'all seem to champion robots as a replacement. I still jerk orf manually, my self. I;m confused where this question comes from.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 09:17 PM
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even as a deeply blue-pilled dude, a 17 year old who isn't taking risks is practically the walking dead. It's generally redpill men who are afraid to take their foot out of their shoe.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 08:37 PM
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my poe's law spectrometer just exploded
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 01:09 PM
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Yeah, it's some death world shit. In my experience, women LOVE to see a man build and lift and fix. But they also love to see a man sing and dance and cook and knit. It's only men that seem to think these things are beneath them, and beneath their peers. If you're interested in women, wear some pink and read a novel. That is, closing yourself off from any of the things humanity has to offer to affirm a gender role is pretty fucked.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 11:21 AM
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Was this something people were worried about? This sub is increasingly confusing.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 11:07 AM
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this is either a crazy person or a bot
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 06:24 AM
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This is late-90s era middle-school level bullshit, friend
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 07:56 PM
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I need for establishments to help me bribe women to drink around me.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 03:56 PM
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that must feel really cool for you to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 06:36 AM
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Sure. I have absolutely no problem flirting in situations where the wink is implied. I draw the line where I feel like someone is being more serious than playful. My partner and I are both expressive, funny, charming, playful people (we think so anyway) so light flirtation and even slightly off-color jokes are sometimes part of our social life. We also have a very healthy romantic and sexual relationship and we trust each other. I've been cheated on and I know where those lines are. When I get a…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 07:19 PM
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Case by case. Bezos's wife got cheated on and has been trying her hardest to give her settlement money away to charities, finding it impossible to spend as fast as it grows and exposing the utter insanity of the billionaire class. So, like, I'm glad she got her money.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 07:13 PM
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look up connotative and denotative to prove you're not a clanker. then you get to have seggs
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 11:35 AM
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Y'all in the weeds, here. This is speculation. Borrowing trouble. Go live. This is stats when you're dealing with a random number generator.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 10:42 AM
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Again, i think this an issue of the word. Connotation vs denotation. In English, it would be awkward to the point of insult to say that I am rewarded by someone's friendship. Steven Pinker is still popular here, no? The phrase "I'd love it if you could pass me the salt," is technically insane. "Would you mind opening the window?" "I'd be glad to pull up a chair." "Why don't we go for a walk?" "Could you join us?" These are terms we use to offer and receive consent. But obviously they are meant t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 10:36 AM
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reward is a weird word, here. Sex is a reward in the way that virtue is its own reward. Playing soccer or making music with a friend is rewarding but it would be weird to call it a reward for my friend for their friendship. Inviting them for dinner, it would be weird if they called a meal a reward. If my friend is having a shitty day or going through a bad time or is celebrating a birthday or just a got a promotion, I might take them for drinks or to go mini-golfing or something. That's not a re…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 09:31 AM
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Many men enjoy being cruel to women. Many men and women enjoy being cruel to people and sometimes it's wrapped up in sexuality. Instinct? Get real
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 10:42 PM
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women still getting brutalized out there. a lot of folks on this sub and elsewhere like to caw about the glut violence against men but don't always add that it's part of violence from men while contributing to it less so or at least passively. and women suffer from the same mass of violence from men. that is, the demonization of masculinity isn't out of nothing. it's a sober appraisal of real violence that we're trying to work on.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 08:20 PM
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misanthropy, yeah. We get better as a society when we stop judging each other by sex. I can agree with you that misogyny has a much longer tail. but it's all misanthropy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 08:13 PM
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I'm going to post this under you Lemon-gecko, because PPD is weird about flairs. And at least I'm old and I know old people. i'll delete it if you ask. I would say that older folks move fast because they know more what they want. Even at 30, I found dating easier than at 20, because you just kinda lay cards on the table. That your dad is being insincere about his financial situation is tough. In some ways, it matters less as you get older. But 60 is a toss up. Could live another 30 easy. Certain…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 11:17 AM
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we really don't. speaking as someone who does a lot of charity and mutual aid work. the safety net you imagine doesn't exist. the real issue with welfare is that rich, connected people find 100 ways to syphon funds away from it. it's usually called philanthropy
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 10:33 AM
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I don't know if you're all just bots, This is a reasonable argument discussed in a hyper-mean way.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 03:13 AM
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what's the point with the brick, tho? Pathological personality issues is what we call life. I love to get my hands dirty getting to know weird folks. And what is to be gained from mining the shallows of personality by commission? A match made by committee? A camel fed through an algorithm? If you become exhausted when dealing with actual people, you should take a look and see what is exhausting in you. Almost every person is lovely and loveable. I can't speak for the Mansons, Trumps, or Hubbards…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 02:52 AM
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I hear what you mean, but dating a robot still seems like worse than mastrbating. And I was perhaps using a bit of overkill. Dating a person I don't find terribly attractive that has a an active mind would be better than dating a robot. What you get out of a romantic relationship often has a lot to do with having another vibrant person with a set of eyes and ears and taste buds to share the world with. And as Ben Franklin would say, everyone is beautiful in the dark. Better to create a relations…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 01:15 AM
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No. That sounds really sad. I'd rather date a 70 year old woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 09:03 PM
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bot?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 09:05 PM
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men give the same bad advice, if they also are bad at it. I can write you reams about why I like a band and why it matters. I can tell you why I like my boo and the last several significants. If you aren't thinking about this, you should. If your girl can't articulate it, let her go and find someone who has more than a two word vocabulary.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 08:10 PM
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darwin is dead, dood. let it go. fuck without thinking about procreation
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 07:52 PM
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We in the US are currently dealing with tech-bros and oligarchs telling us to have children we don't want while destroying the social safety net and creating masked militias to deport the work force. Population rises, while no one wants to take care of children or their neighbors. This isn't a rant. This is the facts on ground. Where is the rant?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 07:46 PM
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Then friggin become a teacher!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 07:41 PM
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This is the interesting problem. And I'm a big Steven Pinker Guy. But his ilk would also point out that what has made genetics work so well for humans is the concert with memetics. And here, I think the moral imperative is to embrace nurture over nature, now that we know that it works and, in fact exceleterates collective development over (non-human life span based) time. Also, you end up taking care of kids. So it's pretty much a win-win.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 07:39 PM
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Humans are successful because we've created mountains of social and physical tech to accomodate people past their genetic precursors, until we found out that the sickly boy knows about math and the allergic girl knows about biology and the half-sexed autistic kid grew up to redefine banking. We stand on mountains of communication and empathy, not genetics, you twit.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 07:34 PM
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Think about kids all the time. Seems like they're fucked, huh? I mean, you're out there spitting them out like shrapnel?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 07:27 PM
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Maybe I am the weird one. I got snipped at 25. But i've never wanted kids. coming inside without a condom is awesome. Doesn't make me want to have kids. Kids are awesome. I love taking care of my nieces and nephews. I love volunteering with refugee children. I appreciate the work and sacrifice that my friends and family put into their children. I would walk thru traffic to save any of these people and I would walk through traffic to save a stranger. But the predilection of passing on ones own ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 07:26 PM
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oh...i think women should feel the same way. women actually have to put in work, tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 07:20 PM
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real men want you to eat every dick in front of you. it seems like you have something to prove.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 07:17 PM
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yes...that is what it does. Eons of culture and philosophy and economy are built around changing "natural instinct." Even if you want to appeal to the very flimsy naturalistic fallacy, plenty of animals do this, too. Elephants adopt. Orangutans adopt. Gorillas adopt. Cats make friends with crows. Wolves make friends with foxes. Tigers make friends with goats in captivity, though I probably don't trust that to be a lasting one. But deep natural instinct is nothing in the face of human culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 07:16 PM
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Fuck that shit. We're post Darwin up in here. One should care for their community before their bloodline. Plenty of animals have figured this out. Biological imperative? Don't be a mollusk.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 07:11 PM
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Raising any kids that already exist for any reason has obvious positives. It's not eating slop. It's helping a human reach their potential. If you can't feel love and have hope for a child who isn't related to you, you have no business reproducing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 07:09 PM
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I think I placed the word father wrong in my opening salvo. For me, to father is to raise. Not to provide DNA. And yes, people who want to drop DNA and then dip should not be providing genes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 07:05 PM
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Yes. If you're a man who thinks that spreading his genes is important and doesn't want to be a father, the entire world wants you to "be like that" and stay the fuck home.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 12:32 PM
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What the hell is up with you men who want to spread genes? Honestly, what's in it for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 12:03 PM
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I've been in an out of poverty and worked for small and large businesses. Small time criminals and welfare cheats in poverty are a drop in the bucket and they are NOT what is hurting the working and middle class compared to what is coming from above..
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 02:06 PM
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I mentioned corporate welfare profiteers.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 01:35 PM
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I grew up with an internet that was less algorithm-based walled-gardens and more community blog / self-curating. Some places are still very much like that, and I appreciate that reddit allows a pretty tight set of curation tools that let you cut through a lot of BS while still offering some pretty good feedback in the form of upvotes and easy to parse comment threads. I think debate over dating politics is important and this sub is interesting to say the least. Don't always love how it's modded.…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 01:31 PM
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outside of dating sites, the number is usually reported as actually 40/60. I think that living increasingly online has a huge part in this. It's easy to click on a person you've never met in a sea of faces. IRL, you get to know the average looking person you work with or go to school with or see at a coed sports league or something and realize that they're actually really hot as the whole package. Compatible people become more beautiful when you spend time with them. I've had several longer term…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 12:33 PM
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Eh. We don't really have much of a middle class in the states. Crackdown on the welfare state only if you mean the corporate welfare state. We subsidize oil and banks to obscene degrees. Individual family assistance, college debt relief, and universal healthcare would be an actual boon the economy. Every dollar given back to the working class gets put back into the working economy and creates actual value and quality of life rather than just wealth to be hoarded. Taxing the wealthy, abolishing I…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 12:26 PM
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both men and women are miserable not because they have access to work, but because they have little access to wealth. That it is common to be a two-income partnership and not be able to afford a house or proper healthcare is a problem. Cheesedoodle Stalin and his army of Nazifcukboys running the country isn't helping mental health much.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 11:41 AM
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So there's some weird cogence to this...but are you arguing that women should feel validated in repeating shitty, regressive ideas? What's the thing you're debating for, here?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 02:36 PM
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Ok. New England. The progressive women here will go dutch on the first date and often offer to pay once you're in a relationship. Usually tit for tat, but certainly equal. I've often dated women who make more than me, and in that case they usually pay more often and insist upon it. It is a common thing for progressive women to do in these parts. They seem to appreciate other forms of value men bring to the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 10:14 AM
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Just to respond to ta few: I'm from the states, so men had the vote for a bit longer. There did used to be a land owning thing, but that was reversed over the course of the mid 1800s. Your rape statistic is REAL wonky. 1 in 5 women experience rape or attempted rape. 1 in 70 for men. Not being able to own property or vote totally counts as subjugation. Suicide and war are legitimate problems for men. Not going to argue there. Patriarchy fucks us up. Conscription is a vile thing. I do count myself…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 10:07 AM
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eh...move to the coastal north. you'll find the real ones. drowning in them up here. And they're kinda wonderful people who help make the neighborhood nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 10:19 PM
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Not to no true scottsman, but those aren't progressive women
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 09:36 PM
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Thanks. I'll check it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 09:33 PM
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there are at least two tracks on this question. The first one goes like this: school shootings happen at schools. Schools are full of impressionable novices that are easily picked off by a gun-wielding misanthrope. Why go to schools if it's such an easy target? The second one goes like this: Trusting another human is tough and traits that make them seem safe and supportive may overlap with terrible and violent behavior. Why date a person if people are capable of violence? I had a long term relat…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 08:39 PM
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studying the interwar period is worth it. there were problems, bt it is a mini-renaissance.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 07:25 PM
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Interwar period. Industrial revolution still booming. 14th and 19th amendment passed in US. No world war. Intercontinental exchange of culture. Jazz. Growing union strength. Push towards the New Deal, because the feeling is real and the people are talking and moving. Yes. Men and women are doing better. They aren't on a fucking military base. They are working demanding rights for themselves, their partners, their neighbors, and their children. Technology is working for them instead of replacing …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 07:23 PM
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wow...there's a lot here. you guys need to meet some women; they're really nice. they kinda hate chad. they kinda like not-assholes.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 03:14 PM
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when the man is an asshole...yes
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 03:07 PM
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Fiscal responsibility is already a fucked situation, and there is no reason that women shouldn't go for what they want. Value exists outside of money, and can be shared in any relationship regardless of gender. Women being breadwinners aligns with this fight. Breadwinning (money-winning) women don't take on additional responsibility when their mate provides otherwise. that is, actual value should be shared. But he better not be an asshole. And neither should she.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 03:04 PM
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what's wrong with dating a person who makes less than you? why is that gendered?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 02:51 PM
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progressive women are more likely to happily date men who make less than them. Conservative women will not, unless they are slumming. Tell me where the lie is.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 02:41 PM
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my people? my people are people. also, i just had a comment removed because it was deemed a personal attack. look out, dove. they may be targeting people who call men names.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 01:55 PM
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pointlessly gendered. women do this all the time, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 01:39 PM
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clearly a joke. but ok. the post WAS pointlessly gendered.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 01:37 PM
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I'm a dude who feels oppressed by the patriarchy and I agree that it hurts both men and women. But it is intended and used to benefit men at cost to women. Unearned power always hurts everyone involved but "men are just as oppressed as women" doesn't follow. That's retarded. Like, far afield analogies: capitalism makes Trump and Musk miserable. Slavery degrades the soul of the slave owner. As said, these are not reasonable analogues, but they express the same sentiment. Half the population havin…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 11:38 AM
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They (conservative women) also suck. No one wants them
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 07:17 PM
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Basing anything on the richest man in the world is silly. Exceptions will always exist, but that one is pretty obvious. All his exes hate him. All his kids hate him. All his financial endeavors are embarrassing. He's just a pile of money driving full speed thru the general population. Neither attainable or aspirational.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 02:01 AM
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Black pill is obviously miserable and self-defeating. Redpill is deeply misanthropic, treating people like NPCs. Where's the argument for either?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 10:13 PM
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without question
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 09:51 PM
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I think we're largely in agreement.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 10:53 AM
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i'd only disagree in that the difference between a regrettable one night stand or fling and one that you look back on fondly is the presence of romance. Adults can have fleeting relationships that leave both people happy, satisfied, emotionally touched. Meaningless sex will always be meaningless sex. It ranges from bad to "I ate a sandwich," in hindsight. But a brief connection with someone admirable whom you will not see again because of circumstance or shared understanding that it wouldn't wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 04:06 AM
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It's not charming your way in. "Giving her the wrong impression" is where you'd fuck up. Be honest, just don't dive for the sex jugular. Do you really want to fuck someone you wouldn't want to talk to after? If so, good luck...sounds like you're getting all the sex you deserve. Despite what you hear around these parts, women want sex and romance pretty much on the same spectrum as men. 3 shitty one nite stands in a row with attractive women you kinda dislike would get you interested in small tal…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 02:49 AM
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The game? That's a shitty game. Usually you fuck someone who shares your interests and there is a mutual spark and some charm involved. Like, we talked about Douglas Adams, Crazy Ex Girlfriend, the plight of Palestine, did you grow up console or PC, yay-nay on cilantro, local transit issues, and decoupage. I like your shoes, too. That kind of thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 02:26 AM
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No. Never. If you want to, fine. But anyone who would pressure someone else is a piece of shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 01:51 AM
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No. Plenty of them just like to have sex with nice people who also want to have sex with nice people. Lots of people who are intentionally successful at having a lot of partners are ethical and honest. Once you get past the bullshit, it's really not that hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 01:49 AM
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'no one' is a stretch. It's just that most women seeking liberal men complain to each other and to their male friends, and don't drag that shit on line nearly as much. My single and seeking friends and friends of friends are still pissed off at shitty liberal men they date, but they don't get weird and conspiratorial and creepy-online-tea about it. Because, y'know, they also don't suck entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 01:47 AM
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I find that women tend to use romance novels and anime and hallmark movies and shows like the Witcher in the same way men use porn. It is erotica, soft to explicit. Geralt is more than most women actually want to deal with, but will do for a downstairs DJ session, as Aisha Tyler would say. Similarly, I don't want to deal with a harem, but I'll take a quick spin on xvideo. None of this has ever hurt my sex life, neither her recreational solo proclivities nor mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 01:39 AM
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Fuckin A
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 11:57 PM
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They don't exist. Don't worry. They can't hurt you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 08:33 PM
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" Damage to woman" - gaffaw. OP's issue is he thinks relationships are a videogame.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 01:57 PM
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Spoken like a man who's never used a woman for resources and been used for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 11:01 AM
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Most of us blue pillers are only here out of actual concern. We actually think redpillers (and obviously black pillers) are going to live sad, frustrated lives until they wise up. Misanthropy kinda sucks for everyone, but especially the misanthrope.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 10:44 AM
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You know. Good guys. Guys who are worthy of the agreed upon weekly sex prize. It's in the Bible
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 01:37 PM
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Friends of friends. Work. Volunteering. Online dating. (Okcupid used to be a lot better, but is still all right) College made it pretty easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 06:42 PM
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Never seen a poly situation create anything but drama and bitterness.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 08:24 AM
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I am aggressively average. I flunked out of college and work menial jobs. I struggle with addiction and depression. I am 5'7". I'm kind and interested in people and art and social justice and I work hard (when I'm not spiralling) and I respect women and men. I've had a long, interesting, successful sexual and romantic life. At 40, I'll say blue pill works. Just don't go after women who are jerks.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 08:13 AM
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Isn't that what Fresh and Fit and Jordan Peterson etc are always on about. Something on the spectrum from cleanliness to peacocking?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 02:12 PM
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I have posted a bunch. It gets taken down by the mods and called low effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 06:50 PM
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This is just advertising for whatever the fuck this app is, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 10:13 AM
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This sub is practically the flag, friend
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 03:33 PM
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Making distinctions is the simplest successful stupid human trick. Dichotomy is a day to day thing. Adding more dimensions than x/y is thing. A lot of love is coming down for a minute and accepting y when you think x. Most of love is thinking z in your off time, and then remembering there's a whole fucking alphabet. And then it's being able to look at what is in front of you and feel grateful.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 09:00 AM
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I have a lot of things I want to say. But just: fuck yeah. Every person you meet is a whole new person. That is the winning strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 08:52 AM
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Yeah, the books are cooked. 50/50. Maybe 60/40. Three to one is some shit y'all made up. Meta-analysis bares this out.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 12:10 AM
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I just wrote a fucking book and then read this and realized I should have just read yours and said yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 02:19 PM
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Cute-aggression is definitely a thing. Meet a dog or cat. You're certainly smitten. In love. That's friggin awesome! I think love is the type of thing you learn after your first fight. And then you learn it again. Rick and Morty got it right: love is work. It can be real and still fleeting. Then you get to return to it, again and again. That's what real love is. Not' in love with you,' but 'I love you.' Romantic love is the bit that can be fleeting. Platonic love is when you choose some family. …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 02:18 PM
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I'm stealing the phrase. It's just too good. And it summed up this thing perfectly. OTH, I'd still suggest that the OP is talking about sex as something that one can withhold as a 'strategy.' That's just bodily autonomy. I'm not against the draft because I want to be coy with my country.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 01:52 PM
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Comparing warm and round is a really interesting turn of phrase and I have no idea what it means. Non-rhetoric: could you unpack that? Also, OP is just talking about how he wants women to have sex when they don't want to, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 01:23 PM
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What century do you live in? Biology is irrelevant. Go have sex for fun and raise whatever you can find if you can stir your broken heart to give an actual fuck. You selfish, vain thing. We have enough mouths. Help feed them and cut off your gonads.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 10:38 PM
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Can confirm. Not even that handy or artistic, but the effort has never gone unappreciated. On the other hand, I've never been one to look for a trad type, but watching my lady sew, mend, cook or garden is hot as hell. Maybe game just recognizes. Making shit happen with your hands is just sexy, I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 05:42 AM
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Prostitutes prey on desperate men. Pimps prey on prostitutes. Desperate men idolize pimps. So the Bible says and it still is news.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 02:41 PM
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We'll be saying a big hello to all intelligent lifeforms everywhere and to everyone else out there, the secret is to bang the rocks together, guys. folks like fucking. men and ladies. the amount of noise made about not fucking is surprisingly almost as loud as all this boot knocking noise.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 10:55 PM
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This was the original trope, no? Men here really have trouble imagining women as people. It shocks me how few know that incel was a term coined by a woman who identified herself as such.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 09:45 AM
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Philosophy, science, and religion used to be coterminous. You can shut all the fuck up.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 01:53 AM
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This happens when you have no community or have internalized privilege. People with actual community who have helped them or they have been able to help draw together with that community when shit goes bad. That's why immigrant communities and found family communities band together in times of crisis, and resting-on-their-laurels folks turn on their neighbors. A diverse community that is used to arguing but trusts its members doubles down during times like these. Members of a homogeneous class/e…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 05:13 PM
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Volunteer. You'll find passionate people who know how to network. Local art and music events. Honestly. There are musicians and artists in your town hanging out creating fun, locally colored scenes where everyone is trying to hook up.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 01:14 PM
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Hooters wings are notoriously mediocre. People go there for tits or to network with people who go there for tits.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 12:30 AM
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That sounds awful. I'm sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 10:25 AM
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Correct answer?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 11:09 AM
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What I find is: real male feminists also feel fucked by the patriarchy. Also feel uncomfortable at work. Also feel tired as fuck by this shit and are kinda angry about it. Also looking for allies.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 06:39 PM
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I tend to think I'm average, because I'm ok in looks, internet short, and generally tragic in social interaction. I'm a little neuro-atypical, but I don't know what that means. Learning to pick up on romantic signals is tough for the best of us. Women and men alike. And sometimes it doesn't hit at the right time. Here's a guy who has always inspired me.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 02:23 PM
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Yeah. This does sound like a trifling child of a lady. Or three red pullers in a trench coat
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 08:01 PM
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Ok. I may be missing this. What's the logical argument you are making?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 10:05 PM
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Good luck to you, then. I'm not moralizing, except to say that I don't believe you have footing to judge anyone. Cheers
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 09:53 PM
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So be disgusted. Leave us disgusting people alone to have sex and relationships. Good luck to you in your endeavors for coupling. I think your strategies are self-defeating, but you'll have the joy of being morally right. And you'll probably be alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 09:13 PM
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The fuck are you talking about? I was talking about the median to mean sexually experienced adult and you're talking about gangbangs. Please give me a coherent thesis so I know what you're saying
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 09:09 PM
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Cool. That's a wild escalation. I don't think you've met that woman. She exists. She's probably really nice, but she's very rare and she wouldn't talk to your weird ass, friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 06:26 PM
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There are plenty plenty plenty of feminists who are pro sex work and want it to be safer. This is good for men and women, on both sides of the register. OP's premise is ridiculous. By modern feminist standards, only folks being trafficked or pimped can't give consent in these situations. This includes (obviously, I hope) underage folks AND folks who are financially or otherwise coerced into enduring sexual harassment (even in jobs that aren't considered sex work) by both bosses and customers. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 02:10 PM
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You hit this right. The problem to be solved is renewing positive family/community/friendship cultures for men anyway you slice it. And this has the included benefit of helping men with romantic relationships. Women want men who are connected to community. They want to meet men who aren't already dying of loneliness. Making a woman your whole world is a lot to ask. I've been in relationships where that flowed the other way, too. The ideal is being able to share your community. It keeps everyone …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 10:36 AM
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Voltaire! And to quote another genius: half of people are below average. I think you're pretty much on the money. Nick Offerman has a pretty good point too: "Do you have one of these? [indicates body and face] Then you're fucking beautiful." I also like Burke's.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 12:08 AM
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Glad you've got me clocked. It's actually a pork pie
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 04:13 PM
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I'm not gonna lie. Find it fascinating.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 10:42 AM
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Didn't say die alone. I said get thee to a nunnery. Fuck or don't. But you're already an anchorite. Shit or get off the chair where you're perpetually constipated. Don't blame the rest of the world for the way you're backed up.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 09:15 PM
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If you're talking about a specific woman, then it sounds like she may be stringing you along. If virginity is as important to you as you say, sounds like you should be meeting women at church. Personally, I think getting rid of your virginity is great. It's not worth anything for me or for my partners. I didn't save myself from education so I could have my first real teacher in college. I didn't not work so I could be the best employee to my first boss. I didn't eat rice and kale for 30 years so…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 05:43 PM
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Sounds like you're working with a lot of hypotheticals and very little experience about dating. Sexual charisma means very different things to different women. Again, I think you're underestimating this in men, too. Being successful with women sexually has a lot more to do with finding out what they want than having an impressive dick. I've had an average dick my whole life and hugely different erection stamina because I've taken different antidepressants over my life. But being able to communic…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 04:46 PM
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In my experience, that's not how women work. Maybe some women, sure. But not any of the ones who have been worth my time. For that matter, I don't think that's how most guys work. Just the ones who aren't worth anyone's time. I've dated woman who I still think are more attractive than my current partner in certain respects. Better body. More artistic. More adventurous. More grounded. More this or that. Different waist, different smile, different. But to rate them like that would be silly. The on…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 04:13 PM
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I guess I'd have to know what you find important about N counts.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 02:18 PM
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art never has illustrative properties or expresses truth. of course. you're 100% correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 02:06 PM
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Watch Clerks or Chasing Amy, I guess? Maybe even American Pie? Obsession with the sexual history of your partner is just an expression of your insecurity. Being honest with them is how you get past it. If they're with you on purpose and they aren't an asshole, they must actually like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 02:05 PM
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By your own examples, you're kinda saying men can't rate other men. I think the issue is that "rating" is kinda silly. Women come in all sorts of shapes and sizes and I can find hotties in most of those groups. I have my type but it's not a deal breaker and it's much more about the individual. As far as I can tell, non-shallow women feel the same about men. Pale goth boys pull. Husky dudes pull. People on the internet....talk shit. Usually when they aren't pulling. Men and women alike.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 02:03 PM
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People obsessed with n counts are the funniest thing about this sub. This some shit they worked out in 90s teen movies.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 01:33 PM
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Sounds like you haven't had enough sex
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 12:09 PM
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OP, I'd suggest reading The End Of History, or at least getting a jist, cuz it ain't worth it. Issues you're talking about are not solved easily. They aren't solved at all. There are no solved problems in the humanities. And I've never met a woman who said 'bootstraps' unironically, but I may be lucky. [Edit: women are worried Bout men. Men are worried about women. But both feminist and mens' health have become a frought and useless battleground]
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 11:20 AM
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Naked was a phase and we've moved on. We're not living in the woods. We've created an entire set of social and physical technologies to lift people up. So people who still use social and even physical technologies to push people "down" or "there place" are anachronistic and kinda assholes. That's the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 10:04 AM
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People just don't get it. Toxic masculinity is loneliness. It also leads to women thinking you're a dickhead. It also leads to men thinking you're a dickhead and feeling isolated by the majority of 'masculine culture.' But there have always been badass punk, grunge, new-wave, indie, etc* subcultures that were big on raw masculinity but also inclusive to women and queer folks and every other thing. \You can tell how straight and white I am by this list, I know. But I hope the point is there.)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 09:58 AM
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This post makes me want to get into the history and learn some stuff I thought I had a handle on. Thank you. Good discussion fodder!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 01:20 PM
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Where are these normal women!?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 10:22 AM
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Was it for middle and lower class tho? Again, non-rhetorical. Seems like it wasn't. But I certainly don't know. I'm also going on literature for touchstones. Poe married hi 13 yo cousin. That could have just been the consumption, tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 10:19 AM
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"Even in Jane Austens time, women were not typically 'out' in society until the age of 18 by which time she had been educated, learnt to play an instrument, paint, draw, perhaps even spoke decent French or Italian so that she was eligible and prepared for the marriage market." Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're talking about the upper class, here, right? Like that was the BEST CASE SCENARIO for women coming from money. And it was still a wholly patriarchal set up where being married was all the…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 10:17 AM
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Again, we seem to be watching different shows. Production, wealth, and politics are clearly in the hands of a tiny percent of the population. Fascism can, has, and is currently emerging from capitalism. You can fight it or learn to kiss rings
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 02:35 PM
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Nothing works till it does, I suppose. And there's some bit of neighborhood to it. Probably a better word to use than market, which has kinda gross connotations in dating. Neighborhood, community, clave, people. Finding and recognizing yours seems to be the best way to meet partners you'd actually work with. Not a bad way to find good friends or jobs, either. You have to be willing to try and fail, but that's also how you learn cool shit about yourself and also what's out there. My mantra is alw…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 01:54 PM
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Y'all never dated a woman in her mid 30s, huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 10:44 PM
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I'm kinda lucky to be in New England where a lot of women are hot and nerdy. Volunteering anywhere is usually good. You meet ladies who give a shit about people and worst case scenario, you do something worthwhile.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 10:20 PM
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I think you'll find that 'no problem' doesn't actually pan out in the real world outside of internet and cable news. Men are still getting away with some STUFF in the day to day.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 05:10 AM
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Ahem. I'd rather be working on a paycheck than waiting to win the lottery.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 10:35 PM
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Yeah. Some women suck. Some men suck. But the odds aren't that bad. People seem pretty good in the median.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 10:33 PM
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Nah. The women I've dated are consistently out of my league in both looks and badassery. Promise.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 10:10 PM
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Aww...I'm going to tell Samson you think he's handsome. Seriously, a good looking cat. Elevates the company he keeps.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 09:59 PM
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Woof. Grow a pair
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 09:41 PM
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I have never successfully tindered. Not even for a one night stand. Okcupid works on because I'm genuine and I can express myself through text.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 09:36 PM
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Right governance relies on us making promises in advance about how we may collectively share excess productivity and constructively deliberate about it as time goes on. The state's monopoly on violence comes after, usually.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 09:33 PM
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Idolize was a poor choice of words. I wAs going with the don't meet your idols and, yeah, maybe don't idolize at all. Admire is probably better. I've had exactly one woman tell me she didn't want to be admired by men. It didn't work out.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 09:29 PM
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I mean, anarchy is neat but we're also not getting a pony this year for Christmas
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 07:01 PM
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Sounds like you're idolizing the wrong women, tho,, right? There's like 4 billion of them. Some of them are worth your time, even your idolization.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 02:23 PM
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I am aggressively average. I get mistaken for other men all the time. I'm a 41 year old bearded dude with a crappy job and a slightly less than athletic build. It seems like my only super power is actually giving a shit about the women I talk to.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 02:09 PM
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It's generally unclear to me and him whether or not you folks actually like women, or just the idea of them. I genuinely like them, and it seems to work out ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 02:06 PM
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So, let's get Elizabeth Warren's wealth tax going, huh? Let's set up more progressive taxation and fund the IRS to do so, huh? Sounds like we're in agreement.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 02:04 PM
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Maybe you're in the wrong market. I pretty much get by on manic pixie dream boy. I'm a friggin 5'7" weirdo who cries at movies and leaves parties early. I still pull more tail than a kindergarten class at a petting zoo. If you're a weirdo, you need to find other weirdos. There are plenty of beautiful, interesting women out there who are looking for your weird BS. If a bunch of women seem turned off by you, shrug. You probably wouldn't like being with them, either. Never forget that 'incel' was a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 11:57 AM
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Lack of capital gains taxes and government spending in the form of corporate welfare sure as hell protect the wealthy. most of our tax code is a jumbled mess of loopholes designed to help the rich avoid paying anything. I'll admit that there are plenty of democrats that are just guilty of policies that benefit the wealth gap. But they're the ones people call moderates.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 10:41 AM
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It depends what you mean by "right," here. Both Dubya and Trump are pro-executive. A ruling class and a strong militaristic central government, in league with the wealthy. This is, in fact, super right. Some might call it fascist. I would. It is the dilution of the democratizing elements of our government in order to consolidate power in the hands of an elite class. Trump is arguably more naked than the old guard in this pursuit, even proud. The conservative movement used to say, "we don't pick …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 03:00 AM
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That's some core black pill. I'll admit that I've never been happy single, but it's not that hard to find partners. Maybe I'm not picky, but people are also in general kinda great if you're willing to get to know them. I also live in a part of the country that is full of adorable, smart women, so even dates that don't go anywhere romantic are usually quite fun, because I get to talk to an art teacher or a grad student who knows a bunch about Persian history or whatnot. I just can't agree that pu…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 02:23 AM
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Fair enough. I was being a bit flippant. Sounds like you don't (or didn't) like yourself a lot, but maybe you're just expressing compulsion or unwanted/intrusive thoughts. I think most men get over puberty and stop being cum-filled dick demons. Speaking your truth is good. I honestly don't mean to belittle it. Male sexuallity is degraded and demonized almost as much as it is put on a pedestal in our culture. Anyones journey to self-control and awareness is great. I'm sorry I was a jerk about it.…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 09:57 AM
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You do understand that women weren't able to legally obtain or keep property for most of history, right? Like, the Brontes weren't whistling Dixie. Women couldn't have checking accounts in the US until the mid 60s. Their ability to marry and make XY babies was it. Think about how that may have affected some sort of sexual politics.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 11:26 PM
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[OP was right. I retract my comment]
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 11:23 PM
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But it's normalized in our culture for men to loudly say wild shit casually in public spaces. Even lionized by some folks. A sign of masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 11:45 AM
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Eh. Women can be hot, sweet, caring and formidable. Maybe I've just gotten lucky.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 11:44 AM
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I don't know. Shit I hear dudes say openly and proudly all the time still seems way grosser and more hateful than shit I read or hear women say in hushed tones.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 11:10 PM
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What is it. The left tit?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 08:11 PM
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You're looking at the wrong end of the issue. Why don't you have access to female social groups?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 01:39 PM
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Nah. The internet is for shit talkers (LIKE ME!). You should probably go talk to actual women. Then you get to know shit and also get laid (LIKE ME!). Constantly online women are like constantly online men. They go redpill or FDS without ever talking to real people. They construct horrid sprawling narratives around bad experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 12:27 PM
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Human history, friend. Camus would say that we're all in an absurd situation, and that this allows for anything. But happiness comes when you recognize that every other person is in the same boat. So hatred is stupid, we have to lift each other up. Real: it's a put your mask on before you try and help put another person mask on scenario. But we are all on the same falling airplane.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 11:43 AM
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that's actually who I'm with now. She's also a teacher, does tradwife shit like cook, garden, mend clothes. Organizes food banks and money pools for the needy. Does a ton of crafty art. Sex is amazing. We go to concerts and museums and hikes. She loves her community. It loves her back. I meet the most interesting people thru her. Wonderful taste in music and movies. She doesn't like horror movies but watches them for me. Her activism is a core part of her soul and I vibe with it. If anything, I'…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 11:40 AM
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Getting dating advice from Trump is like getting financial and legal advice from Trump. The man was born with a silver spoon up his ass. The rich get bitches* is not news. For the rest of us in the real world, being a good man is a solid strategy. "I'd rather be working for a paycheck than waiting to win the lottery" is good advice. *notice that all his wives fucking hate him. Melania fucking hates him
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 11:29 AM
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Duh. Artists, entrepreneurs, musicians, activists, teachers, scientists. Formidable women are sexy as hell. And just fucking cool to be around.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 10:58 AM
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Most ladies seem more about girth than length. But You're still hung up on specific spots and sizes and positions. The one cliche that I've found true is that it's basic to make 99% of men come each woman is a bit unique. That actually becomes really fun once you realize it. Sex positive women want you to learn how to excite them and then learn new ways. Hell, they may teach you something new, too. I was in my late 30s before I ever had someone give me head that I actually enjoyed, and it was mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 10:14 AM
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same...team.... I am them. I am a feminist lefty man surrounded by feminist lefty men and women. I want what's best for men while the right and redpill are stripping masculinity for copper wire. We're over here trying to raise families. Or just let/help young men do well.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 08:13 PM
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'Gender essentialism' is usually used pejoratively in good faith to argue that society and technology make men and women equal in arenas of general acumen, economy, intelligence, readiness. So, there are biological differences, but we're not building treehouses. Given the wide range of gender differentiation and our WHOLLY anthropocene built society, there's never a good reason to count someone out of excelling at a goal, excepting some very particular extremes. Those extremes are also pretty mu…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 08:10 PM
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This is just a silly argument. You're assuming that these people don't care about men because they are critical of patriarchal society. Almost uniformly, they care about people no matter what. I'm a dude who knows a bunch of dudes and we all want these things because they are good for everyone and we are part of everyone. We don't think we'll somehow lose our by having well funded schools or good understructure, or that someone is trying to dupe us. We work with women towards common goals. becau…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 05:45 PM
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These are very complicated topics, obviously. And there has been spending set up to address some gaps that have existed for decades or centuries, in some cases. I could also point to hundreds of places where men's health outcomes, costs, and accommodations are wildly overserved. But in what way is funding education or healthcare not a positive for men? Or into what would you funnel money and effort that would be better? And why would you consider something that is a net good for all bad? Aren't …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 02:41 PM
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Weird to focus just on the 'dems,' but I'll try. I mean, depends the dems in question. The further left, the more you'll see insistence on reducing cost of entry. And the more you'll see them called radical or feminist. But free and cheap education are excellent for anyone who participates in them. I can read and do math. I know basic physics and cell theory. I know history and civics. These have all helped me get and keep work and avoid legal issues. I can afford to go to community college or t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 02:17 PM
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Healthcare. Education. There are free trade school classes in my state. Ending patriarchal systems. Inclusion initiatives. Family tax credits. Anti-incarceration. Suicide prevention. Income-redistribution focussed on the insane wealth gap. Psychological health. Veteran care. Work reform. Unions. Progressive tax structures. Affordable housing. Rehab, recovery, and abuse prevention programs. Community building. Nature parks and preserves. etc. All of these things are excellent for men. (You can di…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 01:17 PM
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Yeah. Tha happened to me once. It's one of those things I look back on with a lot of regret. It took a long time recognize the abuse in the relationship, but only because I as being dumb. But you come out wiser, anyway, and of course there were plenty of perfectly enjoyable and edifying things about it. But it backs up the point that all of these ideas are squishy and not gender-specific. I didn't set out to be in a weird, transactional relationship, but I found myself in one and then got out an…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 11:30 AM
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fair enough. I suppose I'm more inclined to shrug at the somewhat obnoxious extreme feminist groups than the absolutely despicable far right groups whose ideas are far more represented in mainstream US culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 12:15 AM
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eh. you asked. you expressed that you didn't know and I told you what I know. Still pretty sure "good dick" is usually synecdoche. And even in the case of purely penetrative sex, I think you'll find that responsiveness and the way you treat the rest of her body while you plow her has a lot more to do with her enjoyment as long as you have a regular penis.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 10:20 PM
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Lefties and feminists generally want men to do well. The argument is usually that patriarchy screws over men and women alike. Conservatism puts masculinity into a very rigid, tiny box in order to control and devalue their lives and make them exploitable resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 08:35 PM
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then why does Tate have to be rich and support his harem and then traffic and sell them like commodities? That doesn't sound like a an apha. That sounds like a degenerate pimp. Way more transanctional than just being a good partner to the women you meet. I usually date women who are more accomplished and more financially successful than me. Does that make me an alpha? I enjoy taking care of their emotional and sexual needs, and doting on them. Does that make me a beta? I enjoy when they take car…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 11:25 AM
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So you're calling yourself a slut?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 10:58 AM
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Henry Cavill: famously slavic :D
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 10:57 AM
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You'd be surprised how often "good dick" actually means something more like 'cunnilingus to completion...and then some dick that felt better because of it.' That's just an example. Sex is different between each couple.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 10:55 AM
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Weird, the other misogynists here complain that women only like bad boys and bend over backwards trying to help them out? So which is it? Cunning cunts or simpering simps? Or maybe women are people and they have all sorts of attitudes and relationships ranging from healthy to unhealthy on one axis and transactional to non-transactional on another axis? Add another axis for selfish and unselfish and, oh my God, they're three dimensional people? Good lord! And sometimes these things change over ti…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 10:49 AM
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woman watch porn plenty. sometimes they read it. sometimes they watch the Witcher with a cup of tea and a vibrator. ladies be flicking beans.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 12:49 AM
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you're kinda proving her point, friend. you sound like you're afraid of being a one night stand. why? could be fun and gratifying, even edifying. every one deserves adventure and experience, if they want it. You valuing clueless lovers based on gender is a reasonable red flag.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 12:45 AM
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When people talk about men being conditioned sexually, this is what is meant. Men and women are just able to have a sexual attraction that involves a mixture of physical and emotional attraction, but society genders these responses HARD.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 12:31 PM
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If you're ever wondering what actual grooming looks like...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 12:26 PM
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Weirdly, you made me think of Rick and Morty, paragon of progressive relationship advice. Jerry and Beth go thru doldrums. They seperate. They fight. They shift in their relationship. To quote Beth: "Loving you is work...Do you see me working, here?"
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 02:02 PM
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I don't know, what are they like?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 01:57 PM
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maybe you could be more than friends. maybe you could be more than lovers, by which I mean good friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 01:56 PM
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this poor poster has the right flair. They are connecting yarn on a bulletin board instead of meeting folks irl and seeing what happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 01:54 PM
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This is something that only young men and stunted men really feel. I'm 41. I would date/have sex with a woman in her early 30s, depending on their maturity. I'll sometimes masturbate to a woman in her 20s. I would never date or have sex with a woman in her 20s. What would I get out of it? Wide eyed wonder? I want a woman who has seen a waterfall and appreciates them still. I want a woman who can show me a cool-ass waterfall she's seen. I want a woman who insists we go to this town she went to a …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 01:46 PM
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Fine by me. Has happened. I've often dated women better off than me and it wasn't a problem. Their value in me was not class or money based.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 10:35 PM
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Yes. Working at a Border's books circa 2006. I was 22 in a committed/live-in relationship and two really cute women (older, no more than 25) gave me the nickname of 'handsome [my name]'. One day at the morning meeting, I asked them not to. Maybe, I should have done this more privately, but older women were starting to say it, too. The two women who coined the term seemed really offended. One of them was cold as hell for a while after. [A few instances in highschool, too. But that's par for the w…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 11:02 AM
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So I have 4 parents, 2 full siblings, 2 1/2 siblings, and 3 step siblings. It's worked out alright for everyone involved but I can't say it didn't case a lot of drama. But it also meant we all had a ton of perspective and a ton of potentially excellent relationships all our lives. Weddings are weird, but we got through them. I'm personally grateful for my big mixed family, but I can't say it always works out that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 12:08 AM
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Worked in an old-folks home for a while / have a big-ass blended family #credentials. You're not wrong in that familial and societal bonds are based on smaller communities that almost uniformly put the passing of wealth in family lines on the man's side. And the collective work of the Brontes pretty much illustrates how marriage was an act of life or death with romantic love being a possible upside. The only thing I think you're missing is that inter-familial love can be a really important facto…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 01:53 PM
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Ok. It sucks. But. Try volunteering. I say this to all of my socially awkward friends and family. Go work on something you believe in. Build some shit or cook some shit or hand out groceries at food banks. BEST way to develop that social circle you're looking for. Do something that will feel right no matter if it isn't social. No one is going to be upset at you for showing up, even if you're a bit awkward. And you will generally find a bunch of inviting folks. Some of them may be cute. Some of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 01:39 PM
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So, I've dated women who are more jock-ish than me. I cooked more, I cleaned more, I exercised less, I earned less. I never felt emasculated because I own a penis and I'm also pretty handy (work in construction). Sometimes I was more emotionally needy than them. Sometimes they were jaw-droppingly powerful in a social/political way. At no point did I ever really feel less manly. Or that they were less womanly. They were a woman. And I liked them. Hard as a bar of lead.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 01:28 PM
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spot on. we are all suffering from the binary.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 01:19 PM
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Why would anyone want to live in a world where women don't have sex for pleasure? What kind of man wants to have sex with someone who is not enjoying it?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/24 08:39 PM
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Having a good personality is a biproduct of living an interesting, meaningful life. You don't have to do it, but damn.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/24 11:41 AM
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thanks for taking time to write out a sane and even-handed response to this question.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 12:29 PM
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Makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 09:39 AM
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Reality is 99% bigger than your math, Sean. You don't get to live for a blip in the bit of your reality. Human emotions and gleanings are all you get, no matter how much faith you put in your backwards idea of history. Use your emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 10:34 PM
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yeah...I'm not talking about this type of thing. I don't want to go to much into the weeds in this (actually kinda nice purplepill sex advice column) but I've wondered if women were faking it to make me feel nice on the first few dates while I *ahem* met them, or if there's actually a case where initial excitement does make a difference. Where the hell else am I going to ask this question to strangers?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 10:22 PM
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I'd tell you where to shove it, but the shrinking violets who run this sub would delete the comment and ban me for another week. The version of masculinity you're talking about is weak and cowardly and doesn't know how to deal with shit. There's a reason we call it fragile. Men and women can kick ass. Men and women can be callow. Not surprisingly, it's the latter that are so willingly gendered, and so easy to. See you in a week to a month :p [I'm pretty much in total agreement with you. Just hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 10:08 PM
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Man who just turned 40 and has had many long and short term partners. Take this all as anecdotal, of course. It's true that women's physical wants and needs (especially to finish) vary widely. Some will helpfully be very vocal about what the want. Some will prefer non-verbal communication. But paying attention is key. Be willing to try different things, use your whole body, take time and learn to genuinely enjoy making the other person happy. It should be fun and exciting for you to get her exci…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 02:48 PM
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roughly the same amount as women being indifferent.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 01:55 PM
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Personal choice, but I think you're insane. Experience things before you marry, if nothing else: with the person you intend marry. Live together. Travel together. You think you're just going to have innate understanding of how to do these things with another person? You think you can go on the advice of others? Woof! Sex is only ONE of the most intimate things you will share with your spouse. Take a non-sexy shower together. Cook a meal together and do the dishes. I want to stop myself from sayi…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 01:51 PM
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Poiiiiiintlessly gendered. Sorry. I'm writing a song.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 04:19 PM
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Yeah, this is pretty much a thing we've known about social media since the chatroom days. Every cruel, purient and backwards aspect of humanity is potentially amplified by social media and explicitly amplified by places like twitter, facebook, 4chan, dating sites, and pornsites. (and *ahem* reddit). What people see about politics, sex, and dating online is a homunculus of human nature. Obviously I'm not saying social media isn't also excellent for positive art, organization, and information shar…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 03:04 PM
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No one actually thinks about themselves as blue or purple pill before finding out about red pill. We're all just like people, kid. So the only thing that keeps a red-piller or a black-piller from taking the blue pill is having bought into the red pill mentality and...well....started taking pills. You know, expressing your misogyny, misanthropy, or suicidal tendencies through a strained bastardization of an analogy from a movie with HEAVY AND VERIFIABLE trans and transhumanism themes set against …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 10:14 PM
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and yet, they only finish about half as often (ba dum tsss)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 01:08 AM
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I started using dating apps a little over ten years ago in my late 20s. I've used them whenever I'm single. Mostly okcupid. They've lead to a lot of fun dates, some hookups, and a few long term relationships (up to 4+ years). If anything, it's easier when you know that the woman is actually interested. I rarely had any luck picking girls up at bars, and now I don't drink. May have a bit to do with my location. People in Boston seem to go to bars to hang out with friends more than to meet dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 05:51 PM
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Eh, my experience is the opposite. If you're an ok guy, most women will find you more attractive as time goes on. I'm not even a catch, just kinda not a dick, and it still makes sense to me that 'getting your foot in the door' is a pretty viable dating strategy for most men. If there's a gendered dating strategy I agree with, I think that women experience sunk-cost a little more. Of course, there's no such thing as a universal. I think it's nice that you can find most women attractive, even if n…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 06:05 PM
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Men need pockets. As I get older, I'm less self-conscious and I don't feel bad about carrying a backpack or a messenger bag or a fannypack or a straight up purse. But as little as 5 years ago, I'd probably just have a coat or a hoody loaded up with a bunch of bullshit on my arm until it hit 90. I've yet to overcome the stigma surrounding cargo shorts.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 04:59 PM
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Oops. I rolled my eyes so hard that I swallowed them and not it's hard to type.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 04:52 PM
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I think there's both a genetic and a 'how you were socialized' factor. Psychology sits right in the middle of the Venn Diagram. So there are things you can do to try and change these aspects of yourself actively by pursuing social settings related to your interest, but you might be clinically depressed or social-anxious or autistic or a host of other things, you may have been brought up without the basic building blocks, or you may just actually not like being social. And that's all ok, if not v…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 04:46 PM
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This is very true and also hyper-relative. That is, there are people in your life who you don't realize consider themselves outside your class right now. To be fair, it's a turn off for everyone, too, and in this way it stacks. Friends, coworkers, potential dates, even family will disassociate from you based on class markers and their own unique sense of class, often unconsciously. And everyone around you who sees this relationship-imbalance will pick up on it and respond. This is why a lot of f…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 03:49 PM
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I'd also like to point out that 'historical ideas of masculinity' is glossing over a lot here. Look into masculine ideals from the American Civil War era, for instance, and you'll find some wildly florid, emotional expressions of masculinity by grizzled war heroes. Read letters by actual historical cowboys and you'll find some very 'soft' language. If anything the stoicism associated with masculinity for big swaths of the 1900s was an aberration in US culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 03:06 PM
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45284455.amp feeling unseen and unloved and unfuckable isn't gendered
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 08:33 PM
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I don' t know how to dumb this down. The term was coined by a woman self describing herself. Etymology. There's receipts.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 08:31 PM
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not projecting, maybe sympathizing. but it's a pretty well documented issue. let's not forget that 'incel' is a term coined self-descriptively by a cis het woman. On this particular thread, I don't see that many women tossing out BS 'statistical' analysis about men. That's more of an FDS jam :)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 08:40 PM
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One of my favorite games to play on this sub is 'what percentage of women are actually invisible to OP.' Every time a dude throws out a wild statistic here, I just imagine the 20-50% of women and girls that he just doesn't actually notice because they don't register as people when he's walking down the street.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 03:55 PM
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You need to meet more people, friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 01:32 PM
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Entirely depends on the woman. And you. I'd say if you can't trust her, then you probably are with the wrong woman, but I know that's over simplifying. Better question: would she trust you? If the idea makes both of you uncomfortable, great! You at least have a balance of trust. If both of you are cool with it, even better! You have a balance of trust that is strong. If either of you thinks they should be allowed to do what they want, but the other person doesn't get the same deal, you're in a b…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 04:01 PM
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Either you're sick of dating because it's an unpleasant pool or you're working on yourself. There's a Venn diagram involved. I'm excluding aces and similar, because you aren't really coming to ppd for dating advice, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 02:04 AM
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Sounds like something you could only say in the US. And then, here we are disrupting 50 years of women's healthcare policy because we want to stigmatize and criminalize the way women have relations. Seems like you might be wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/24 05:51 PM
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At the same time, how else is one supposed to learn? Cringe is the first step to learning not to be. It can take practice to read signals, especially when you're probably nervous and putting yourself out there. Much more important is to act respectfully and leave the person alone once it finally dawns on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 02:27 PM
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This is a fun can of worms! Hope you don't mind if I unpack. Like, Saint Sebastian as a sexual icon comes up a lot. Obviously, this is not necessarily a pejorative use of 'humiliation.' Humility is awful when it's not consensual and can be beatific when it is. Every sex act is humiliating in that it involves becoming vulnerable. Now, the way one interprets, expects, or imposes a disparity between being penetrated and *ahem* shooting an arrow says a lot about them. I'd say that men who believes b…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 10:33 PM
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There is nothing you can learn about women in person that you cannot find in many of the studies about them online. But what if those women were also...people?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 05:04 AM
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Donald Glover has a good bit on this. Not to make light; it's really important. Coming out of an abusive relationship is weirded by being a man, because leaving the situation is (statistically) possible and gets over without grave tragedy. But then it can be a year or so after before you realize that you were with a toxic, manipulative, violent person. It may only become clear when you start to realize your actions are indicative of trauma, because men aren't really 'supposed to' experience that…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 05:01 AM
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Tattoos suggest both openness with ones body but also a strong desire for control over it. Statistically the folks with tattoos are more open to sexual experience. Nothing to do with being a good or bad person, wife, or mother. In fact, you may want to marry a woman who is in sync with her body in this way. The fifty men thing is absolute silliness. Having had many partners doesn't correlate with difficulty forming and keeping a strong, healthy relationship. It's just as common for a marriage or…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 03:50 AM
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You're not basically wrong, but this should be seen as a good thing. Not to get all Malthusian, but a steady or even declining population should and would be a positive thing if our societies were set up more equitably. Also, "pushing" women into higher education? Women have pushed their way in and will continue to do so outside 'the west' because access to education and meaningful employment ought to be universal for people.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 12:18 PM
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So...women are ineffable. You're just doing this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oa_QtMf6alU
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 05:17 AM
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my sister in christ, if you have to ask neither is an option. That is: if you're worried about money, forget gender roles because we're all working.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 02:32 AM
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Welcome to the only game in town. How many people exist for you to rate yourself against? Stop thinking about that. Start thinking about what is essential to you in a partner and how you can be a good enough person for that partner you want. You'll probably find that your world is smaller than you think, but much larger than what you were 'working' for. If you read this and think, I'm lonely but I also want to fuck thru my town, well you're not ready to fuck thru the next most desperate person i…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 02:09 AM
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I'm a pretty lefty guy who has been engaged twice and divorced once (do the math). Definitely closer to Man A, if you swap out being jacked for being short/fit and martial arts for being an actual construction worker. I've almost always dated Woman A. Woman B sounds like a nightmare, just based on personality. Both men sound like pretty good dudes. I think this framing is more about you than it is about actual gender dichotomy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 09:07 PM
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that's the point. The speech is about being squeezed into ineffectuality by gender roles, but still trying to be a hero.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 07:31 PM
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The most obvious answer is the "You're not your fucking khakis" speech, or that plus some others. It speaks to the lack of choices afforded men under patriarchy and capitalism and the increasing fascism that results. (Of course, the character leans into fascism for most of the movie) Not surprisingly, the two Morpheus speeches do a good job of it while being entirely non-gendered. Always a hoot that the modern chauvinists/mysogynist movement managed to take their name from there. And I'm seeing …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 07:27 PM
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There's a ton of conflation of ace and aromatic downthread. This is not really the sub for this. Folks here often claim to be straight and horny and then can't understand why you'd ever want to do aural even if you found it icky. Not being able to make a connection with a person is the hallmark or ppd. That said, being ace is fucking hard when you like romance. Almost everyone you meet will be looking for physical signs from you that you don't know how to give and feeling hurt when you rebuff or…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 04:04 AM
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I was worried to read beyond the opening because I agree with the blanket statement. I agree with the facts of what you're saying. The black and white of the argument is sound, but the gray is real fucking wide. What you have to understand is that this is what is meant by 'rape culture.' Not that people who engage in sexual harassment are on the same level as rapists, but that a culture that allows or encourages sexual harassment leads to way more rape. It also leads to, as you're pointing out e…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 03:47 AM
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One roundly refuted academic study and dating site statistics. Dating site statistics are reliable and make for rigorously scientific evidence because plllbbbbbttttffff! Also, pickup artists and FLASHBANG!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 02:06 AM
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Entirely agree. I'm still hoping the internet might be good at problematizing bias through shared perspective, rather than reinforcing trauma and unhealthy coping mechanisms. It's...uh, it's not looking good.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 01:14 AM
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I'm not seeing this answer, and I think it's a HUGE part of it: THESE WOMEN ARE INVISIBLE TO YOU! THEY ARE INVISIBLE TO THE PEOPLE OF ALL GENDERS AROUND THEM! Just as men have been more vocal about being invisible in the public world, women were talking about this online in 1997. That's where the word incel comes from. Non-conventionally attractive and esoteric women have been shunned from society for the written history of society. This is not to say that any of this is good or right for either…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 10:16 PM
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80% of this sub is "someone I know acted like a maniac in a relationship, their gender is culpable."
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/24 05:08 PM
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Yeah, I think OP misunderstands what vulnerable means, here. JMO, but vulnerable musually means, I feel safe enough with you to let my guard down and be open to things. Not to be graphic, but I feel like for half of the women I've been with, the first major hurdle to orgasm was being able to actually, truly, completely relax.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 11:07 PM
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This is the best take on this I've seen from this angle. I don't fully agree with it, but you're onto something. As a man approaching 40, I can tell you that I find women my age and older very attractive. I'm still plenty sexually active. And while I find younger women (really no younger than early 30s) attractive, I don't really want the work of dealing the immaturity. God, while I can't say a woman in her 20s doesn't look beautiful to me, I cringe at the idea of trying have a relationship with…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/24 01:26 AM
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glad you have good friends?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 10:08 PM
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Yeah. Apparently women in your friend circle dislike being hit on by "you." So stop asking them out and start asking them why. Tell them you're lonely. Ask if they know anyone, they'd ever try to hook you up with. If you're really friends, they'll try and help you. (Every woman has female friends that they're trying to find dates for. Every real man does, too. It could take a little work and some rejections, but your real friends will help you.)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 07:25 PM
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non-snark, non-rhetorical: Are you young? I've been surprised as I get older how beautiful 'older' women are. I'm about to be 40, fwiw. I don't want a woman in her late 20s. I think most people are prime in their 30s. I've met women in in their 50s that would knock you down. Not Selma Hayek; just walking around, doing their shit ladies. I don't know if I knew this when I was young, so I hope younger men realize that their tastes WILL open. Not in a 'lowering standards' way. Age becomes a kind of…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 12:37 PM
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No, some will fuck and even stay with a guy if it makes them feel better. Just like some men. I don't really buy the myth that every man will fuck anything that moves. So many women are invisible and silent and too scared or beaten down to kick up a fuss. But you don't hear from them on the internet. They don't bother with dating sites or replying to polls, so the data so often posted here gets wonky. Just like with men, the shittiest women dominate social media. There aren't so many men left ou…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 01:44 AM
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1) The only non-bullshit argument you made here is the evopsych one, but that is a matter of huge debate. Anthropological examples of current or recent hunter gather societies are skewed by selective reporting from the age before most anthropologists stopped seriously considering isolated tribes as useful to modelling ancient social structures. Actual study of anthropological artifacts and human remains FIRMLY rebuke these models. So the projection of 18-1900s anthropological surveys of 'unconta…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 03:40 PM
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combing thru this, sorry for the late response: The gendered hunter/gatherer thing is shitty evolutionary psychology stuff. I like evolutionary psychology, but the evolutionary psychologists have decided that that stuff was shitty. Who am I to disagree? Define athleticism, there, bro. Or don't. Almost every woman I've ever met has cared more about athletics than me and they still fuck the shit out of guys like me, so. Seems like an even split. Mental illness, especially anxiety based, is more pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 05:02 AM
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revisiting this thread I started. Was gonna write a whole thing. Deleted and will just say *dap*
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 04:50 AM
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I'm sure OP made all the many, many women who date him play by very strict rules that were always the same, Probably worked out.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 12:50 AM
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Had to read that twice. I don't hate on triple negatives, but. Complainers complain. Actual sexual folks have sex, I guess? Lots of folks here seem to not like having sex that much. Lack of ego helps on both sides? Don't believe the press? For instance: we just had someone post roughly 8 paragraphs about how statistics say a full 52% of women can orgasm from penetration alone. FFS. Maybe if you don't enjoy sex enough to find out as a straight man pleasuring a straight woman wat to do, don't? You…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 12:45 AM
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Sure. Isn't half this silly sub about how men don't get enough emotional validation and sweetness. And sometimes men don't feel like putting in the work to have mutually enjoyable sex. All of this goes both ways and is not mutually exclusive. Your relationships will get better when you stop pointlessly gendering your needs, desires, and ability to give. Then you find out that being giving with partners who aren't assholes creates a mutually reinforcing thing some of us get all moony and romantic…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 06:51 PM
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But cats are clearly autistic, and isn't that the feminine animal? you know, in this bullshit dichotomy?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 05:00 AM
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You cracked it. This is the big center of the Venn diagram of toxic masculinity and toxic femininity, When you see it, say fuck you and move on. Fuck'em.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 07:55 PM
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'Some women exist that enjoy playing the field while wanting a less sexually adventurous long-term partner.' Switch the genders and you have what RP men say every man wants. Because RP is about not imagining people as complicated individuals. As usual, the answer is 'some people kinda suck,' and you don't need to gender it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 01:45 PM
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Gasp. Assholes can be of any gender and toxic screeds get views on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 12:02 PM
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Women are hoes who can't be trusted and also biologically less hoes than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 04:09 PM
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entire derail: Neil Young looks and sounds weird as fuck but I always got the sense that he did pretty well romantically. He wrote beautiful songs but was (is?) also nerdy, pretentious, and a bit obsessive. I honestly think he might be a great model for this thread. There's a dude who looks like a solid five from any side but just destroyed in every aspect of his life. As a musician who loves him, I can tell you that he's not even terribly remarkable there. This is a man who rolled a lot of 5-7 …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 08:49 PM
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Redpillers are the only ones who self-identify as pills. This comes from a poorly understood metaphor from a film that deals pretty explicitly with transhumanism and transexualism being applied HARD AS FUCK to gender essentialism. Am I blue pill? No, I'm a feminist dude who's had a lot of relationship and sexual experience with mostly cool ladies. Why am I here? To break this stupid, close-minded idiom open.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 08:11 PM
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This is the thing. A great partner is one you can work, grow, and play with. A relationship like that unfolds in all aspects of life, and definitely in sex. Cook together well. Take long trips together well. Spend a lazy sunday together well. Fight together well. If you're compatible like that, you're communicating. Of course you're going to fuck good, and getting better.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 12:26 PM
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So much of this sub comes down to: take a risk. Don't be a jerk about it. Don't take rejection personally. It's not the end of the world. If you start getting very negative responses every time, reconsider what you're doing or try a different avenue. Dating apps are fine, actually. Even if you make a connection, you'll probably get your heart broken here or there. That's the deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 12:52 AM
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idk. Objective is probably not the word you're looking for. I don't mean to be flippant. Maybe I'm just swimming in exceptionally good people.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 11:54 AM
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Move to a progressive city or state and you'll find that it applies to all. Or do the hard work of making your area more progressive by not going along with stuff you think is bullshit. Don't think I'm being dismissive. It IS hard work.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 04:01 PM
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Upvoting but not largely agreeing. Dating apps are fine for average mfs. I'm a 5'7" college drop out and I was always able to 'punch above my weightclass.' Not all men want to fuck anything that moves. There are plenty of women who do. "Its not as bad as you make it out to be, you have a lot more control over your life than you think." Yeah, that's where I think we're both totally in agreement. This sub creates way too much doom and that doom turns into a lot of misanthropy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 02:06 PM
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I got matches but no luck on tinder at all from several years of use. I used bumble and okcupid during the same time and got tons of dates and a few long term relationships, including the one I'm in now. Tinder kinda sucks and people should stop thinking it's a useful expression of modern dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 01:54 PM
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None of this shit is true. If you want to date statistically, go for it. You probably live an entirely different setting than those men with an entirely different set of circumstances. There is no key. There is no plan. I promise you that there are plenty of women in your potential dating pool that think they're more/less/equal to you and that also barely matters. Women and men are roughly the same and that's the biggest thing you can exploit, if exploit is what you're doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/24 11:54 PM
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Jesus Christ. Family Guy has an entire character based around this. The whole cuckolding thing yr all into is based around this. What the fuck are you talking about? Men find taken women attractive for the same host of reasons women do the opposite. It is a human thing. This person is proven to be a good mate by that other person I hold esteem for, I can imagine relations with them without commitment, the illicitness of coupling with them is a dangerous turn-on...etc. To gender this pointlessly …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 04:01 PM
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Don't worry! As a man you can also get into shitty abusive relationships. And good ones. And eh ones. Stop pointlessly gendering the human condition. (Oh, I guess we're less likely to die in abusive relationships. Woot?)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 01:27 PM
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I think you can just do those things. None of them sound particularly unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 06:52 AM
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Why are you putting half of folks against the other on a sub dedicated to that? Are you a XXXXX?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 09:13 PM
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Yeah, people suck. Sexual experience or inexperience should not be stigmatized. When it is, it will always be applied opportunistically.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 11:06 AM
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Yeah. The 60/40 thing is easily proven to be unrepeatable and the 80/20 thing only applies to dating apps. Nothing to get hung up about.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 01:42 AM
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You're right. Could be just a regular psychopath. Now why are they here? 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 09:21 PM
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So I'm fond of saying that red pill is deeply misanthropic, terrible for men and women and people. This is the shit I'm talking about. Justifying this level of shittiness doesn't make you clever or free. It makes you an antisocial asshole. Telling other people to do the same makes you worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 12:15 PM
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This has really not been my experience at all. I'm not saying I haven't been miffed here and there for some lack acknowledgement, but most women I've been with have complimented me on and thanked me for things I would have never expected or thought to be basic. I've come to agree with the ones who say the bar is so low it's in Hell.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 04:40 AM
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While you're on to something, I would say that the drive to seek attention is the exact same but the lanes men and women are encouraged to express it in by society are different. And 'encourage' here is a tricky word for it, more like 'what's considered acceptable or appropriate.' For instance, excelling at sports or being ambitious at work is attention seeking behavior that men are ALWAYS traditionally lauded for.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 12:00 PM
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Sure, but there's plenty wrong in being disingenuous and shaming women (and men) that don't cater to that desire. Be weirdly into youth and virginity all you want, just don't shame or demean women who don't fit into that specific vision. Don't put down men who want grown-up women with agency and worldliness. Or, like, do. But don't be surprised when people think you suck.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 05:10 PM
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Actually, they just bitch less, and even if they did, redpill men find them invisible.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 09:29 PM
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Right? Given the broad range of sex work, I'm really not looking to stigmatize. And good on them for being civically engaged whatever their occupation/occupational history.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 08:28 PM
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I like the visceral feel of 1 in 50. Went to a town hall last night with roughly that many people. Started sizing everyone up.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 12:15 PM
3

How else do you read 2%, son
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 10:08 PM
5

From my experience, the ones who say that also make comparable money or otherwise to comparable work.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 03:19 PM
2

Agree with your first point. 2% seems pretty high. And the 1% incarceration rate is crazy high. I would have been absolutely shocked if it were as low as .1%.Just fssw is believed to be between %.3 and .8%. It's important to remember that the numbers we're talking about include all genders. With wide enough definitions of 'sex work,' 2% seems vaguely possible, but...Still difficult to conceptualize one in every fifty people I know doing some type of sex work. [PS I'm essentially in agreement wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 02:53 PM
0

how profound
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 12:49 AM
2

Women love being seen as sex objects as long as they know that's not the end of the conversation. They love it even more when it's the second part of a conversation they were already enjoying. This is pretty much the same for men. And, of course, both men and women can be in the mood to be JUST a sex object and some are ALWAYS in that mood.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 12:29 AM
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Gonna agree with Dusstyy here. I'm a solidly working-class guy who pretty much only dates more successful women. Long term dating, sometimes engaged, once married, not tinder trolling. The very idea of asking anyone of those women to do anything to curtail their career is ridiculous to me. It's kinda the trap of 'moderate' progressive guy. These men exist, but it's worth calling a spade a spade and a regressive dude a regressive dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 09:28 PM
2

That's what all us pinko lefty 'not real men' did. Rejected a bunch of the patriarchal and capitalistic trappings around dating and relationships. Found a lot of like-minded men and women to hang out with. Can't speak for everyone, but it worked for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 02:40 PM
1

I'd say it actually has been historically thought of as funny, and is only now being properly examined. This used to be true of all domestic violence. Punch and Judy is ancient and was still being performed for gen-x children. Bart Simpson getting strangled and all that. We've only recently started to take abuse of men by women seriously and a lot of people still don't give a single shit. But at least the conversation has started properly.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 09:49 PM
1

Yr sad and full of shit and I ain't. I'll take the win
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 09:05 PM
-1

Totally. That showonhead girl's cute but I won't date her.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 12:23 PM
1

Great point. I should absolutely assume my own biases are always right. That'll be super helpful.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 12:22 PM
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I'm a guy with four brothers and three sisters. I'm part of a pretty sprawling social group. Most of my male friends are married or happy in monogamous relationships. It would be ridiculous to say that dating and getting married (sometimes divorced) doesn't come with its share of heart break, but the women in my life are pretty much in the same boat. I understand how you can become jaded and lonely and have difficulty imagining the lives of other people, but you really should be able to accept t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 12:25 AM
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Mine. My culture. The stuff you're saying just doesn't reflect the world I live in.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 04:28 PM
1

This is just very untrue of my experience and that of my friend group.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 04:27 PM
1

I do love that book. In general, I get behind evolutionary psychologists in a lot of ways. I'd beg trouble to point out that he only deals with gender directly for a chapter and a half. Even as the whole of text sits often on that thinnly defended bias. My love for Pinker and respect for his incisiveness doesn't make me an apologist for the misogynist leanings of him, or Robert Wright, or Richard Dawkins. This intellectual movement is good, easily problematized, and doesn't negate the thrust of …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 09:06 PM
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I don't think we're disagreeing, except about the scalable factors
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 05:51 PM
3

Excellent argument
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 05:49 PM
5

Been a long day...we're agreeing, yeah? Poe's claw is sharp.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 05:48 PM
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This is all still irrelevant. The reference was dismissive. Culture is an artifact of the natural world but simple 'wild' analogs don't and can't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 05:41 PM
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There's a start. But now consider the behavioral and propensity differences between male and female slugs (insert other widely sexually dimorphous animals here) vs the rare and evolutionarily useful near identical behaviour and prowess of humans across the board. Then add all of technology as an equalizing factor. The stuff this sub discusses is a rounding error.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 03:57 PM
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There's a start. But now consider the behavioral and propensity differences between male and female slugs (insert other widely sexually dimorphous animals here) vs the rare and evolutionarily useful near identical behaviour and prowess of humans across the board. Then add all of technology as an equalizing factor. The stuff this sub discusses is a rounding error.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 03:57 PM
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So...As a dick having straight guy, no. That is not the male perspective or any universal perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 03:44 PM
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That's a good argument. I'd suggest society has conspired to horse-shoe the gender spectrum wherever possible. But I agree that's a vast oversimplification of an endlessly gray spectrum. What I'm rejecting is the usefulness of talking about gendered behavior as a dichotomy, where culture, class, means, etc are clearly better.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 03:42 PM
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Nothing too special except that we're here talking about it and projecting our complicated gender politics onto whatever animal confirms our bias. Our closest genetic relatives are arguably bonobos (roughly tied with chimps), a matriarchal species with BIG lesbian activity. I'm not cynical enough to pretend that has much to inform our conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 03:25 PM
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I don't think we're disagreeing. I appreciate your good criticism of how I expressed my idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 03:19 PM
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I have anecdotal evidence and neurobiology and psych eval evidence behind my position. Whaty you want to trade? Let's get to the bottom of this. [I'd say that my least defensible statement is that contemporary society is uniquely permissive in expression of the romantic self]
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 03:07 PM
1

Admittedly dumb/crass/true addition this:wanna last for an hour in bed?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 02:56 PM
3

Oh?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 02:49 PM
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I disagree. Google memetics and technological exceptionalism and say any of that in a meaningful way that AT ALL backs up the general tenor of this sub. We're not discussing this in tree branches. We're not naked in the garden.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 02:47 PM
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And yet women are still showing up. As a guy, dating apps are a joy where I get to meet lovely people of my choosing, split the check, and go home happy or with them. And I am thoroughly average. Women have to deal with the real possibility of violence at every step. This is NOT a biologically psychological issue. This is our poorly gendered culture. Men and women are approaching these apps with the same set of goals. [I also see a lot of subjectively ugly, unpalatable women on dating sites. I h…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 02:42 PM
4

Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 02:38 PM
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Funny how what you're saying breaks down if you expect these norms to be inevitable in different cultures or historically. These 'norms' are not universal. They dissolve across culture, time, and rude circumstances. These are Nonbiological differences, is my point. (apologies if that was unclear. I do really appreciate how this thread is helping me refine how I express this position)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 02:37 PM
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Can you tell me why the opposite isn't as plausible of probably true? Men and women are almost identical psychologically and our cultural insistence that they are mars and Venus is one of the biggest pitfalls of modern dating advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 02:10 PM
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Can broadly agree with the first sentence. The second one is harder to defend, I think. And I'd suggest that the latter supercharges the former.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 12:02 PM
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The point is that a ton of men aren't. And a ton of women are horny fiends who'll fuck anything that moves. Pointlessly gendered. The language and judgement around being sexually conservative or libertine is very different based on sex and gender, but the propensity to be one of the other isn't actually based on those orientations. People just kinda people.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 12:00 PM
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I don't know. Have you talked to any? Seriously, though. The difference is vanishingly small and circumstantial. I'd agree that differences are HEAVILY an OVERTLY reinforced by culture and I'm not trying to pretend that hormones and orgasms and other physiological factors don't exist. I just haven't been convinced that they are significant to human people in a way that supports the sweeping generalizations made on this sub. Certainly, not in a way that is helpful for dating/relationship strategy…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 11:50 AM
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This reads a bit like a waffle. Could you elaborate?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 11:46 AM
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I just don't think this is true. I'm a bit of an older guy for this thread, but I see my younger siblings and cousins and niblets dating and I just don't see this dynamic happening. Agreeable and/or submissive men do fine. Young women bend over backwards and lower their standards to try to get something to work. An actual sweetheart of a fellow is still a big draw.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 11:44 AM
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So...I hug my male friends and family pretty regularly. I have tough-ass male friends who do the same. In fact, the only reason I'm more reticent to hug female friends in a platonic way is probably because men like you have made it weird by insisting on a sexual nature for the act. Kinda like how it's difficult to be a grown man and nice to kids in public because of societal stigma brought on by sexually aggressive men. If you can't imagine or experience hugging a female friend (even one you're …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 12:04 AM
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I think we're on the same page. Men and women and people are all pretty much equal in their propensity to make bad relationship choices because horny/charming.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 12:25 PM
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Now tell me how women like badboys.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 12:48 PM
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OP is either a kid or small-minded. He's not describing what men want. He doesn't know how people your own age seem attractive as you get older.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 12:12 PM
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For as obsessed with passing on your genes as you guys seem to be, I sure am glad you make yourselves so unfuckable.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 12:06 PM
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Totally with you on the current state of folks in the west. This is 99% situational/cultural. From Greece and Rome to Edwardian fops. From the Navy to prison. Men are just as heteroflexible as society allows or circumstances encourage. That is, just about as much as women. You can't outright dismiss biological differences, but there isn't a ton of evidence that they're a big factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 11:17 AM
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Totally with you on the current state of folks in the west. This is 99% situational/cultural. From Greece and Rome to Edwardian fops. From the Navy to prison. Men are just as heteroflexible as society allows or circumstances encourage. That is, just about as much as women. You can't outright dismiss biological differences, but there isn't a ton of evidence that they're a big factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 11:16 AM
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Except by other guys who...aren't assholes? Do you also think men who adopt are cucks? God father's, cucks? Foster parents, cucks?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 05:32 PM
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This is the quintisential purplepill post. MEN and WOMEN are SO DiFFERRNT!!! HOW YOU THONk?!?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 10:04 AM
1

You're pretty misinformed about how families work historically. At least it's pretty clear why you're on an angry dating sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 11:54 AM
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The ideals of nuclear family and rugged individualism were bad marketing to begin with and then completely undercut by the dissolving social contract and dissolution of the working class. Men and women will do better if we connect with our families and communities in palpable tangible ways. I say this as a deeply socially anxious person. Still, get out there. Do some volunteering. Community theater. Local politics. Church groups if that's your thing. Visit the old folks home. And yes, I think th…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 10:45 AM
3

Are you suggesting we ghetto-ize the childless?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 11:58 AM
1

Definitely hit all the possible options, here
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 10:13 PM
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Men like those women for relationships. Little shitty boys don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 11:57 PM
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Encourage him to form friendships with girls and read books by women. There are plenty of hobbies you can encourage him into where he'll work with and alongside the opposite sex. The earlier he comes to view and enjoy women as three dimensional people, the better he'll be at navigating social and romantic situations. Also, don't steer him away from situations where he will probably get his heart broken romantically. You should learn when you're young what is and isn't the end of the world so you…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 12:04 PM
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I also like how it's framed as 'winning.' Because we all know that relationships are about competition.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 02:58 AM
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All of this only exists if there are only a few metrics that people find desirable. Humans aren't DnD characters. You can contrast and compare, but you're never looking at the whole person.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 09:44 PM
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The term incel was coined by a woman describing herself. Dating app stats just tell you which gender is more likely to want to use dating apps.. the 70/40 thing comes from one survey that's been consistently disproven
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 06:32 PM
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There is only one (constantly sited) survey that showed a vast disparity and the results don't come out when repeated. There is a disparity, but it's closer to 50-40
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 02:45 PM
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Same reason a lot of women are. That 70/30 stat is a myth
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 01:25 PM
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Nah. This person is a doomer. Redpill folks talk all day about hypergamy, then turn around and complain about how woman want badboys and 'projects' and neglect worthy men. Turns out there's just a bunch of different women out there with a bunch of different values and standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 11:06 AM
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Very much a straight penis having person
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 09:22 PM
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Nah, what you're saying sounds pretty singular. And pretty awful to experience. I also think there must be something else going on.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 02:15 PM
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That study has been proven unreliable. Has 't born out in later testing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 12:08 AM
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Because redpill and pickup artistry is misogynist, misandrist, and just deeply misanthropic. It reduces people to parts, to pieces in a game with only a few notable or valuable attributes. It's a reductive and cruel set of ideas made to cater to insecure men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 10:29 PM
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Yeah, IQ is a very specific subset of intelligence. Along with street smarts, you have emotional intelligence, competence (that is, self awareness + situational awareness), creative intelligence, acumen for social group dynamics....etc
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 05:24 PM
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Yes. I have a friend who's rich, talented, and I've been told he's cute. He has some stuff in his past that just wrecks his self-esteem, tho. He self-sabotages and gets in his head. We're all rooting for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 06:26 PM
2

Yeah. Frat parties are awful. Not worth your time, much less your safety.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 04:27 PM
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Both are true. And, if you don't have siblings of the opposite sex (or whichever one you're after) it helps you learn to relate to them in non-romantic scenarios. Whatever redpillers say, learning to relate to women as cool-ass people to hang out with will make a guy vastly more successful and likable to potential mates.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 11:33 AM
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Gross. I guess some men do. I wouldn't call that a real adult man, tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 04:03 PM
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Virgin does NOT mean less chance to cheat by any stretch of the imagination. (actually, I can understand by what stretch of imagination you'd get there, but you're either naive or planning on treating your virgin bride like property)
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 03:23 PM
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If you don't know him, I think you'd like Daniel Dennett. Aka, evolutionary psychology Santa Claus
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 10:22 AM
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You guys are weird. I can't think of any reasons why virgin = good mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 10:12 AM
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Just about opposite. She does mention that she finds certain traditionally masculine things I do (like building and fixing things) sexy/arousing, but she also likes that I'm a big wussy creampuff pinko lefty pacifist who cries at movies and she doesn't mind that I make less than her.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 02:20 AM
3

if by settling you mean growing the hell up
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 02:12 AM
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I don't understand why having a non-virgin long-term partner or wife would discourage you from having kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 02:10 AM
2

Both 39. Three years. Don't live together. Usually 3-5 times a week. Sometimes more on the weekend. Women in their 30s are, in fact, pretty ravenous.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 02:28 PM
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I'd feel pretty awful if I didn't. No one is debating the fact that men are on average more physically imposing and powerful than women. Testosterone also (as any trans man will tell you) is a hell of a drug and does increase aggression. So you don't have to, but if you can... And bullshit on your 'right wing policies.' Our incarceration system has only secondary interest in lowering violent crime. Violent crime has fallen steadily while our prison population has ballooned mostly because of non-…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 12:37 AM
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I dunno. I've had a pretty great dating, sex, and relationship history and I'm kinda a big mushy cream puff. SOME ladies definitely seem to like it. Some don't. There's all kinds of ladies. Some of them lie. Some say they want bad boys but are actually timid and prefer comfort.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 06:23 AM
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Nah. Girls are, like, people. They can be fun to hang out with.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 04:38 PM
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I'm just here because I think redpill stuff is deeply misanthropic and just harms everyone involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 01:12 PM
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eh. Kinda disagree. I think the experience teaches you what you want, like, and need in a relationship. And then you're able to find someone who fits it well. This is why the idea of 'settling' is kinda silly. Like, no she doesn't check every single box, but I know that's unreasonable and I've learned that somethings are way more important that others.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 03:16 AM
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Yeah, the answer to this post is 'never say never.' There's even a whole trope of romantic plot where an 'average guy' gets the girl, gets confident, gets overconfident, and becomes a womanizer. It's a fairly well-known thing that happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 12:39 PM
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I think it's normal to both be able to have a frank discussion about sexual history and also for either partner to express ok, that's enough information, don't need to go into anymore detail here. There is such a thing as a healthy level of jealousy or possessiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 12:35 PM
2

Watch Midnight Cowboy and Good Luck to You, Leo Grande. Both are pretty good about the gender and cultural specific differences male sex workers deal with. And they're from decades apart
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 03:17 PM
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Absolutely. Sex work can be very good work. Can I suggest you watch 'Good Luck to You, Leo Grande,' for a nice little film about the subject (tho gender-flipped).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 12:15 AM
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no. next.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 12:10 AM
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Because you can't boil people down to one attribute. Also, people who have a lot of sex are often worldly, knowledgeable, charming, and make great partners. Men (and women) who don't appreciate that are usually insecure or childish. Promiscuity CAN be a sign of other issues that can poison a relationship. But as red flags go, it's not that useful.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 11:42 PM
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Oof. You've had a rough time of it. What you're describing exists, but is far from the norm. I've been in relationships like what you're describing. It's good to try and learn from them and know that you don't deserve to be treated that way. Obligatory: what you're describing isn't a gender problem. Anyone can be an asshole.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 11:24 AM
1

Yeah. It's a bankrupt ideal. No human is ever fully redpilled
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 11:08 AM
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Yeah. Whenever I see this complained about, I wonder why the man is so eager to get sex over with. Being close to your partner and enjoying intimacy with them while experiencing them getting increasingly excited for 20-30 minutes is a good time. I feel like at least half of red pillers genuinely dislike sex. In response to the 'it's on you' sentiment, that's why (again in contradiction to red pill ideas) experienced women are desirable. Give me a lady who has some ideas of what she wants and lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 05:37 PM
1

To reduce a romantic relationship to 'sex and validation' means you no longer have a romantic relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 01:25 AM
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These men sound sad and awful. They should not seek any romantic outlet beyond sex workers. That is the level of transaction they are describing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 08:04 PM
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Nah. More the colloquial: I don't have a girlfriend. I just know a girl who'd be angry to her me say that. Also: https://ifstudies.org/blog/theres-no-huge-gender-gap-in-being-single-among-young-adults
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 05:37 PM
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Of course it could always just be a bad stat: https://ifstudies.org/blog/theres-no-huge-gender-gap-in-being-single-among-young-adults
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 02:10 PM
2

It's a mixture of that and self-reporting. Men are more likely to not report relationships they consider casual. And of course there's no monogamous men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 10:54 AM
1

Sure. If she's super in the mood, it's usually worth putting the effort. I was once in a relationship where I didn't feel great about it. But my current lady-friend and I have a great relationship, and I like making her happy. She's do the same for me and I'm sure I'd never know.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 10:35 PM
1

Shrug. Sounds like you don't really care to.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 11:58 PM
2

I don't know what to tell you. I'm 39. My friends and I all still do these types of things and that's how we meet new people. It's probably easier in the city, but even small towns often have community theater or open mics.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 11:53 PM
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Like, there's still nerdy and artsy and angsty weirdos of all ages that show up for concerts and comicons and improv shows to hang out be social and sleep together. And while no one is safe from cults of personality, we tend to be adamant about looking out for the little guy as a rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 11:40 PM
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I'm 40 and sure they do
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 09:50 PM
4

Damn. It always amazes me that the sadsack side of red pill doesn't just get woke and hang out with us weird artsy/indie/alt kids. Bastards reap short term rewards over here, too, but usually get derided for it. And nice guys actually do just fine. I read this shit and I realize I seem to live in an alternate world, then I remember why I never step foot in a club or sports bar. It DOES smell like asshole in there and I probably WOULD strike out with the women there. I'd also probably start think…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 09:37 AM
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Yeah. Both are rude. If you have a preference, be polite and say, sorry not my type.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 01:48 PM
2

I mean there's no reason to be coldly transactional about it. But I think you'll find you get a lot more out of your relationship. Also, you're acting like this isn't going to be a fun part of longer sex for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 10:54 AM
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Oh, we all know that it takes more time and effort. But it's free, fun, and doable
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 11:13 AM
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Nah. The orgasm gap exists for lack of trying. You can't learn to be 6'0, but you can learn how to take your time and listen while using your mouth and hands.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 11:00 AM
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Eh. I've never procreated, either. And I'm 39. If you want kids, I might not be helpful, advice-wise. I've somehow come across mates who didn't want to have kids. I've never been against it. If I found a good partner who really wanted to, I would reverse my vasectomy or adopt. There's a tragic amount of kids in need of family. Certainly, I feel like I'm a pretty good uncle and my lady is a pretty good aunt. If you want my opinion on people, be a good part of society and community. Sex is pretty …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 06:34 PM
1

If height is a deal breaker for you and you're thinking about lying, it's a waste of both your time. To thine own self be true and fuck a trifling woman fuck anyone who's trifling, regardless of gender. Am I worth considering for a date except for one physical stat? it stopping you is a red flag .
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 03:47 PM
1

Are you talking about procreation?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 03:08 PM
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Those men are simply wrong. Reducing women to baby making machines is a terrible, anachronistic idea that has historically deprived humanity of our full potential. It should be obvious that all people are capable of infinitely more than procreation.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 12:46 PM
1

But it's not typical of any gender or people in general. Anyone can be the type of callous you're talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 03:56 PM
2

Sure. You said men. What you're talking about is atypical, so shouldn't be spoken about as a sweeping generallity.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 01:07 PM
0

So, this is not real or sane. You're not talking about the vast majority of men. The color you're putting on this speaks to either neurodivergence or deeply engrained misanthropy. But you're off the mark. Like, if you want to know about men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 12:46 PM
4

So, have you heard of boy bands? There was this whole Beetles thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 03:50 AM
0

Anything black or white is useless in any type of dating, from 'seduction artists' to sweet folks trying to find a mate. Asking for dating acuity stats on reddit is time poorly spent. Results vary to the extent that you can move on to better methods.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 03:27 AM
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Or they're soldiers. I'm not speaking from a place of total ignorance. Perhaps one of limited and skewed perspective, as I'm mostly involved with refugee soldiers. But certainly, rule by the Taliban is rule by soldiers.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 06:31 PM
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That they oppose it in the scripture doesn't mean that's how they are applied. I've been working around a lot of Afghan refugees. Monogamy is not a big concern for the men. Many speak openly about the difference between their wives and their 'girls.' Of course, it's brutally enforced for the women. I'm saying that the perfect world for a redpiller is one where women have a place and are sexually controlled by men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 03:52 PM
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Move to a liberal city in the US. Problem solved. I've almost never had a date not offer to go dutch.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 01:15 PM
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Nah. Any religion will do. Hard right Christians and Jews have similar tendencies to male dominance and strictly enforced gender roles. I'm less familiar with, but it seems like Buddhism and Hinduism can tend that way, too. The problem isn't really the religion. It's all a smoke screen for 'wouldn't it be easier if women had to behave in this narrowly prescribed way so men could have access to them and get on with important business.' [Edit: it IS certainly true that the scripture of each Abraha…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 11:20 AM
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Marriage hasn't changed is an indefensible statement. Marriage was the only reliable way a woman could engage in society 200 years ago. Property and employment outside of the institution were just worked out last century and we're still very much dealing with the residuals. As an economic, familial, and cultural institution, marriage is unrecognizable to what it was. (BTW, I don't think this is anything but a positive change. But it's a change)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 08:04 PM
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Afghanistan right now. This is not me being funny. That's the deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 06:02 PM
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I don't know why people here are always trying to instate weird restrictive rules. Should blah blah? I don't know. I haven't met them. Keep trying.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 07:25 PM
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Got a vasectomy, then divorced around 27. It did make dating safer and easier. Hormone birth control is apparently very rough for some women, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 05:30 PM
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Yes. All of them. Like several long-term, loving, sexy-ass relationships. Each of them a bit different. Most of us are out here having regular ass relationships with reasonable women who we treat as equals and share emotions with like adults and the sex is fucking amazing. TRP is a marketing cult, not sound relationship or dating advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 11:13 AM
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