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| – | Both men and women have legit grievances, and we should actually try solving them together.Maybe women aren’t acknowledging this because they don’t agree that your numbers are correct or telling the full story. Of course they're not, because feminism is constantly and consistently erasing, dismissing, and invalidating male DV and male rape victims. Pointing to people who believe propaganda over facts, is not an indication that the facts are wrong. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4062022/ "For example, in 2011 the CDC reported results from the National Intimate Partner and Sex… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/26 02:28 AM |
| – | Women generally have power over men socially and in relationships.I never said being seen as a sec object is a privilege, do you want to argue dishonestly and put words in people's mouths, or do you want to have a truthful and useful discussion? Everyone can use leverage and influence in every relationship. They are tools, what matters is how we use them and what we use them for. Women absolutely and frequently use access to sex as leverage so don't even try to pretend like that's not a thing. We don't NEED leverage or influence in relationships, but they happ… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/26 02:12 AM |
| – | This sub's view of the "average man" is just straight up pathetic.If they want marriage and relationships, then why do they act like fuckboys? Because you're not talking to or about the ones that want marriage, you're looking at the fuckboys and saying "why don't they want marriage?" But they don't want marriage precisely because they are fuckboys. So stop entertaining the fuckboys and find the men who want to be married. There was a video where one girl complained that she only attracted fuckboys. Her friend called her out and said she attracted all the men, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/26 01:56 AM |
| – | This sub's view of the "average man" is just straight up pathetic.That assumes most men are looking for relationships. But many aren't. Thwre are now more men who say they want relationships and marriage than women. There are many. It's not mens fault that women are not able to find them or select for them. They say they are, but they just want a hookup or to cheat on their partner. And 1/3 of women surveyed said they went on dates with men they had no intentions of dating, just to get free food. Both men and women face issues for sure, but it's not issues tha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/08/26 11:27 PM |
| – | This sub's view of the "average man" is just straight up pathetic.I don't look at the average dude walking past me and think, "yeah, that guy is probably desperate for any kind of intimacy and is invisible to women and society at large". The objectively, you are wrong between 1/4 and 1/3 of the time. Just because that is not your experience does not mean it isn't the experience of a ton of men. Most men are indeed desperate for intimacy, because men get basically no intimacy outside a romantic relationship, and even then that intimacy is often very conditional… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/08/26 08:11 PM |
| – | This sub's view of the "average man" is just straight up pathetic.For relationships. That they do not want or like most of those options, does not erase or invalidate the fact they have those options and most men do not. It's the difference between "I can't find a restaurant that serves food that I like" vs "I can't afford to go to any restaurant at all". The former has a ton more privilege than the latter in that scenario, no matter how hard women try and pretend they don't have privilege. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/08/26 08:09 PM |
| – | Both men and women have legit grievances, and we should actually try solving them together.I mean not erasing male victims and openly ackowledging that men make up half the domestic abuse victims and near half the rape victims takes literally 0 dollars and 0 efforts, so that one ought to be pretty damn easy. And it's not like this is new information, we've known men are half the DV victims for decades, and men being near half the rape victims for near 20 years. I would honestly be satisfied if feminism simply did that and stopped constantly opposing, dismissing, and erasing the fact m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/08/26 04:39 PM |
| – | Both men and women have legit grievances, and we should actually try solving them together.No, I am just unsatisfied that feminism treats equality like a one way street exclusively to women's benefit, and that feminism constantly and consistently erases the fact that half the domestic abuse victim are men, and near half the rape victims are men, overwhelmingly at the hands of female abusers and female rapists. Kind of funny that the group that claims to care about equality, almost exclusively cares about the half of all people who don't have penises, and not only ignore and dismiss ma… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/08/26 04:24 PM |
| 1 | Both men and women have legit grievances, and we should actually try solving them together.what do you think the patriarchy is Well that depends, there are about a dozen different definitions on what the patriarchy is, half of which contradict each other. How would you define the patriarchy? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/08/26 07:16 AM |
| 1 | Both men and women have legit grievances, and we should actually try solving them together.The difference is of course the patriarchy has no offices, no unified political power, no stated goals, no semi-unifying theory. Feminism has all that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/08/26 07:03 AM |
| 1 | Both men and women have legit grievances, and we should actually try solving them together.where can i vote for or donate to “feminism”? I mean you can join organizations like the National Organization for Women and donate to or join UN Women. You could join any number of feminist organizations and vote to decide who should be the president of that feminist organization. You'll have a much easier time voting for and donating to feminism than I would have voting for or donating to the patriarchy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/08/26 05:32 AM |
| 0 | Both men and women have legit grievances, and we should actually try solving them together.I have not, but they specifically said that since men are stronger and have more power they can just push women off or prevent themselves from being raped, so if the men have sex, it must be consensual or else it wouldn't happen. It's an incredibly despicable perspective on sex, but unfortunately it's kinda rooted in the feminist power theory of how men have all the power and cannot be victims. They're not even the first, feminist Mary Koss argued that men cannot be raped by women either. She in… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/08/26 05:30 AM |
| -1 | Women generally have power over men socially and in relationships.Not quite, you would lose "leverage", not "agency". Agency is your own ability to make choices. Leverage is your ability to either influence the choices of others or stop others from influencing your choices. It's important not to conflate the two. Also important to remember that women have a ton of leverage even if they don't admit that they have it. After all, privilege is invisible to those who have it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/08/26 02:07 AM |
| – | Men are conditioned by women to put them on a pedestal and to be dependent on them.lol another emotionally fueled rant with no substance, literacy or research to back it up. You seem to have missed my earlier comment where I linked to the fact that fathers do not have equal rights to have access to their own kids as mothers in 44 out of 50 states. I suggest you go back and read that and integrate that knowledge, because again, you don't seem to question why mothers inherently have these rights while fathers are denied those rights and have to fight for them. No emotion-fueled … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/08/26 01:56 AM |
| 0 | Both men and women have legit grievances, and we should actually try solving them together.And those men are morons. This is also a sub where some feminists (I've talked to a handful myself) believe it is literally impossible for women to rape men. I'm not going to blame all of feminism for the abject failure of that handful of feminists however. so I would appreciate if you didn't try to equate every man on this sub to the handful of morons who want to take women'S rights away so they can get laid more. Yes, they exist. No they're not popular. No they're not numerous. No, I don't agr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/08/26 01:36 AM |
| 1 | Both men and women have legit grievances, and we should actually try solving them together.I mean feminism is a political organization, because it participates in politics and has many explicitly political goals. It is also international because it operates across many different countries and has an office in the United Nations dedicated to addressing women's issues. That in and of itself is not a bad thing mind you, that's perfectly reasonable and a legitimate way to help women deal with their issues and help make things better for women the world over. I have absolutely no issues wi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/08/26 01:34 AM |
| – | Men are conditioned by women to put them on a pedestal and to be dependent on them.Fewer than 4% of men fight for their kids, and the few that do fight get joint custody. Well yeah, because like I said, fathers who disagree, go to court, fight, lose millions of dollars, and lose anyways when the courts agree with the mother. So in order to not pointlessly lose millions, they don't fight. Question for you. Why do you think fathers should have to fight at all to see their own kids? Why do they have to fight but mothers don't? Why aren't fathers automatically entitled to having t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/08/26 01:24 AM |
| – | Men are conditioned by women to put them on a pedestal and to be dependent on them.Are you aware that fathers do not have the same rights to have custody of their own kids as mothers do in 44 out of 50 states? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_shared_parenting_legislation Perhaps that might go a long way to explain what's going on. A father can "agree" to not have custody of their kids, or disagree, go to court, fight, lose millions of dollars, and lose anyways when the courts agree with the mother. I'm always surprised that the same people who talk so much about systemic … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/08/26 01:01 AM |
| 1 | Both men and women have legit grievances, and we should actually try solving them together.Well I wasn't there. Either you said things in a way that is easily misconstrued or the other person was arguing in bad faith. Precisely. And that happens all the time. And when someone who is offended screams loud enough and often enough, it does not matter that they were arguing in bad faith, the mob gets going anyways. Offense can certainly be given. If I went around saying the n word despite not being black, that's offense given And yet if a black person chooses not to be offended by that, y… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/26 05:20 AM |
| 1 | Have you ever gone on a date with a man just to see what he would come up with to win you over, even though you already knew he had absolutely no chance with you?Well I don't care about ACs I mean sure, but that doesn't change the fact there are huge double standards in society. Women's heels get attention because it used to be unprofessional to go to work and formal functions without wearing a shoe that literally caused you pain and potential health issues for hours. Well just like men can not pay on dates, women can just not wear high heels, right? Why was it a problem if women could always just not wear those high heels? Many male issues such as menta… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/26 05:14 AM |
| 1 | Have you ever gone on a date with a man just to see what he would come up with to win you over, even though you already knew he had absolutely no chance with you?I am happy to hear you agree that men face serious issues. You would not believe how getting people to recognize that is like pulling teeth. I just don't think paying for dates is one. Just don't pay for dates. It's not that hard. I mean office AC and high heels and many of women's issues aren't terribly serious either, and yet they get more time and attention than many of men's serious issues. "Just don't pay for dates" is putting the responsibility on the individual, while ignoring the larger … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/26 04:04 AM |
| 1 | Both men and women have legit grievances, and we should actually try solving them together.That's the thing though, if I say "some women's grievances aren't legitimate", I'm not saying rape isn't a legitimate grievance, but someone else can put those words in my mouth and accuse me as though that's exactly what I said, even though I didn't. Like what are you people saying that gets you cancelled? Anything that gets people offended enough to call for their heads, metaphorically. And notice I didn't say "say something offensive", I said that "people get offended". Because offence is tak… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/26 04:00 AM |
| 1 | Both men and women have legit grievances, and we should actually try solving them together.The vast majority of people don't think it's impossible for women to rape men, thank goodness, but yeah thanks for confirming that. Also completely agree that it is incredibly difficult to prove that a rape has happened, regardless of who is the victim, because it's a crime with very little evidence. The difficulty is of course if women (victim or predator) get pregnant, then the embryo/possible infant becomes a potential witness/second victim/hostage. Whereas for men, the crime is always limite… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/26 03:57 AM |
| 1 | Can you explain why women like romance so much?Oh noes.... calling up a restaurant or going online to get tickets to a show, taking a shower, and smelling nice is so very very hard! It's a wonder you all can ever succeed at your job! Well this sets the tone right off the bat. I'm sure we'll have a very level headed and reasonable conversation, with no bad faith argumentation at all. Complete bullshit on this. Someone else said it, but men discount acts of romance from their wives and girlfriends. The time they left love notes for you? The di… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/26 03:52 AM |
| 1 | Both men and women have legit grievances, and we should actually try solving them together.That's the thing though, who is it who gets to decide what is offensive and incredibly sexist or not? Because generally, it is not men who get to decide, even if it is something that is offensive or incredibly sexist against men. And I agree with you that normal opinions and normal complaints get accepted. I was just saying that mentioning that some women's grievances are not legitimate leaves you basically open to being accused of dismissing all of women's grievances, or for someone to say "oh … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/26 03:35 AM |
| – | It's not a privilege for girls to have their ability to solve their own problems kneecapped from a young age.You remind me a lot of a poem my therapist told me to read, The Guest House by Rumi THE GUEST HOUSE This being human is a guest house. Every morning a new arrival. A joy, a depression, a meanness, some momentary awareness comes As an unexpected visitor. Welcome and entertain them all! Even if they're a crowd of sorrows, who violently sweep your house empty of its furniture, still treat each guest honorably. He may be clearing you out for some new delight. The dark thought, the shame, the malice,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/26 03:31 AM |
| 1 | Have you ever gone on a date with a man just to see what he would come up with to win you over, even though you already knew he had absolutely no chance with you?Ah I'm glad you don't, perhaps we ought to tell the other feminists that as well. I use laws and opinions of policy makers and politicians who have actually been voted in. News articles that involve court cases with opinions of judges and lawyers That's fair, but there are no laws concerning who pays in dates. You know things that have actual impact. I mean I can give you a bunch of those that clearly shows harm to men, but they're not related to who pays in dating. At the end of the day though … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/26 03:29 AM |
| 1 | Have you ever gone on a date with a man just to see what he would come up with to win you over, even though you already knew he had absolutely no chance with you?Well see when it's an opinion column in a newspaper it's clearly proof that misogyny and patriarchy are both alive and well, so I thought that an opinion column in a newspaper by a feminist talking to feminist about a feminist topic would be just as valid. I doubt feminists would bother writing books about wanting men to pay for dates. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/26 02:49 AM |
| 1 | Both men and women have legit grievances, and we should actually try solving them together.Not really, it's not about how socially able the person is at expressing their opinion, it's about how offended the other party gets and whether they decide to tar the other person's reputation. I've met lots of men who complain about women in the dating market too! And they haven't been cancelled yet. And I bet all those men have a ton more opinions when they complain about women, that they don't talk about when they're near women, because they don't want to be cancelled. This is basically "I h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/26 02:32 AM |
| 1 | Both men and women have legit grievances, and we should actually try solving them together.The problem is those "niche" circles is most leftist circles. In other countries, being raped and reporting it gets you stoned. Well yes, those countries outside the West absolutely have horrible issues like that and they need to be addressed. But in the Western world we've kind of solved that problem. Kinda funny that this kind of accusation is brought up against Western societies when it explicitly doesn't happen in Western societies. Or even in the USA, reporting pregnancy by rape can result … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/26 02:28 AM |
| 1 | Both men and women have legit grievances, and we should actually try solving them together.It's funny you say that because that's basically what feminism frequently turns to, molly coddle women's feelings or else we'll label you dangerous and unsafe and make your life miserable. I am glad to see that you can recognize this kind of domestic terrorism behaviour feminism imposes on men. Fun fact, did you know feminism is constantly and consistently trying to erase the fact that half of all domestic abuse victims are men? It is feminists who have created the Duluth model of domestic abuse… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/26 02:23 AM |
| 1 | Both men and women have legit grievances, and we should actually try solving them together.There is seriously no reason to pretend that some men are not the problem, and no reason not to pretend that some women are not the problem. I try and judge people by the content of their character, not the content of their pants. You should try it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/26 02:19 AM |
| – | It's not a privilege for girls to have their ability to solve their own problems kneecapped from a young age.Completely agree with you, as it stands society largely treats equality like a one-way street exclusively to the benefit of women. So many of these issues would basically evaporate overnight if we gave men the same amount of empathy and understanding that women are apparently entitled to. Let's not put some people's problems above others when a) these are complex issues b) making men feel more neglected and fearful makes things worse for women. Completely agree and I am continually flabbergasted… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/26 02:18 AM |
| 1 | Can you explain why women like romance so much?I mean largely they do. That's why you have MGTOW, red pill, and the male loneliness epidemic. And then women complain where all the good men have gone and blame the men for not being good enough and not stepping up, while not giving a single damn about the issues men face. There's a pervasive attitude in society that women deserve help and empathy and understanding, while men are only deserving of scorn and of being told to pull themselves up harder by their own bootstraps. If we want to solve … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/26 02:14 AM |
| 1 | Can you explain why women like romance so much?Agreed 100% on resentment being absolutely toxic for relationships. The problem is that generally it is much much easier for women to have devotion from men than it is for men to get devotion from women. So like, I generally agree with you, but for men it basically amounts to "hope that you can find a one in a million woman who will be devoted to you", whereas for women it's "Out of the hundreds of matches you can easily get on apps, filter thorough for the devoted ones". One is basically just w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/26 02:11 AM |
| 0 | Both men and women have legit grievances, and we should actually try solving them together.Ah but see I didn't blame men or women, I blamed a multi billion dollar international political organization whose entire business model revolves around assuming that men are violent abusive oppressors who oppress innocent female victims. That's the difference. I'm calling out the actions and beliefs, not just blaming people because of their gender. I try and judge people by the content of their character, not the content of their pants. You should try it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/26 02:07 AM |
| 1 | Have you ever gone on a date with a man just to see what he would come up with to win you over, even though you already knew he had absolutely no chance with you?https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2023-10-02/dating-costs-splitting-bills-men-gender-pay-gap | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/26 02:05 AM |
| 3 | Can you explain why women like romance so much?I dunno, I find that at least for men in relationships with or pursuing women they're genuinely head over heels for spoiling her/being romantic is like crack. For some men yes, but when men have been used and hurt by women they tend to be more careful about doing this to someone who hasn't shown she's deserving of it. Many men love spoiling her and being romantic with her because they finally get to participate in relationships and having a partner after all their efforts and all the rejection. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/26 08:46 AM |
| 3 | Can you explain why women like romance so much?There's also a function of how much the wife appreciates and reciprocates his efforts vs just taking his efforts for granted. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/26 08:43 AM |
| 6 | Can you explain why women like romance so much?You don’t like dates, you don’t like romance, Largely because dates and romance are complicated and expensive performances that men are expected to put up for the woman's benefit, and that men generally get very little out of. Women love being the CONSUMERS of romance, but there are very few women who return even half as much effort into romancing their male partners. So of course men aren't going to care much for something that's expensive, difficult, and time consuming for them, and that they'… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/26 08:42 AM |
| – | It's not a privilege for girls to have their ability to solve their own problems kneecapped from a young age.Men don't mind learning how to do childcare and housework. The problem is men think the housework has to be done say once a week, and does it the way he thinks works best, but she wants it done 3x a week and exactly the way she wants it done, like he's folding the towels wrong or not using the right amount of cleaning product or whatever. Men can do it, but if they're going to be constantly nagged about doing it if they don't, and constantly nagged about doing it wrong if they do do it, then men… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/26 08:08 AM |
| – | It's not a privilege for girls to have their ability to solve their own problems kneecapped from a young age.Well you know what they say about women and accountability... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/26 08:02 AM |
| – | It's not a privilege for girls to have their ability to solve their own problems kneecapped from a young age.Agreed. Exhibit B: how the vast majority of men in the West are chronically emotionally illiterate, emotionally neglected, and touch starved. People don't want to hear or care about how men are chronic neglect victims. Women are drowning in a sea of unwanted attention while men are dying of thirst for any attention. And people only care about women's side of the problem and don't give a damn about men being neglected. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/26 08:01 AM |
| – | It's not a privilege for girls to have their ability to solve their own problems kneecapped from a young age.Sure, but it's terrible all the same. I'll take the terrible problem of having too much money over the terrible problem of being homeless any day. Money is finite. Mommy and Daddy having money now doesn't mean it'll always be there. Mommy and Daddy solving issues is finite. Just because they have in the past, doesn't mean they'll solve all your issues in the future. The ability to immediately lessen suffering via money is great. But it's a detriment long-term since Mommy and Daddy won't always b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/26 07:59 AM |
| 2 | Both men and women have legit grievances, and we should actually try solving them together.And the gender that keeps telling men "stop treating women like a monolith" continually keeps treating men like a monolith every time they bring up crime and blame all men for it. Welcome to equality, where women are just as smart, just as hateful, just as kind, just as toxic, just as good, and just as bad as men. Women are no longer made of sugar and spice and everything nice, y'all are just as nasty and superficial as the rest of us. Welcome to equality, this is what you asked for, leave your … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/26 07:40 AM |
| 6 | Both men and women have legit grievances, and we should actually try solving them together.Just because men's issues are trivial and self-inflicted doesn't somehow imply that women don't understand them. No but the fact you think they're trivial and self-inflicted shows YOU don't understand. You're seriously going to tell a grieving mother that her son taking his own life is trivial and self-inflicted? Women understand men's issues perfectly. Most don't and you least of all. They just don't want to be assigned the work that men should be doing in the first place. And the only work tha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/26 07:20 AM |
| 3 | Both men and women have legit grievances, and we should actually try solving them together.I can see how that could be interpreted that way, I meant it more as a word of warning than as enforcement. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/26 06:54 AM |
| 2 | Both men and women have legit grievances, and we should actually try solving them together.I could sort of agree. Looks gets your foot in the door and without looks you're going nowhere, but status/money/blasé/keeping frame is what keeps you in a relationship. I do think the red pill tends to focus a bit too much on the "these are the superficial tricks women play on men so here's how to beat women at their own superficial games" kind of thing, a "play shitty games win shitty prizes" kind of attitude. A healthier way would be teaching men to recognize the shitty superficial games wome… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/26 06:49 AM |
| 3 | Both men and women have legit grievances, and we should actually try solving them together.I've not threatened him, I've pointed out the consequences of speaking wrong-think out loud. I'm not the one who would cancel him, the left would. And I say this as a Canadian leftist. The purity spiral is a hell of a drug. Can't really cancel an anonymous account on the internet, though he could get banned from many a subreddit for daring to have such an opinion. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/26 06:45 AM |
| 4 | Both men and women have legit grievances, and we should actually try solving them together.Oh yeah for sure, but feminism has done a fantastic job gaslighting society into believing misandry don't real. At least it's blatantly obvious in this subreddit, so you can point to it and most people won't immediately dismiss it out of hand. Most people aren't ready or willing to accept the harsh truth. BTW, just to know, why maroon pilled? What does it mean to you? First time I'Ve seen that I believe. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/26 06:28 AM |
| 5 | Both men and women have legit grievances, and we should actually try solving them together.You surviving yes. Your reputation online doesn't terribly matter, but loss of reputation like that IRL can cost nothing like it can cost you promotions and/or your career, depending. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/26 05:05 AM |
| 6 | Both men and women have legit grievances, and we should actually try solving them together.There are some women on this sub who call themselves feminists, and believe that it is literally impossible for women to rape men. I've seen less than 5 or so, but for feminists to say that AT ALL is incredibly appalling. Agree with you there are a bunch of goofy incels on here for sure, but there are really many women here who should try and listen to and understand men even 10% as much as they demand men listen to and understand women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/26 05:04 AM |
| 3 | Both men and women have legit grievances, and we should actually try solving them together.I mean you'd think it should be obvious, but apparently "don't be toxic as fuck and hateful towards men" needs to be repeated, so here we are. Not saying you are toxic or hateful, but "don't be hateful or toxic towards men" is apparently a difficult thing to hold back from for many women on this sub. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/26 03:44 AM |
| 7 | Both men and women have legit grievances, and we should actually try solving them together.The fact is that the pattern we largely see is women complaining about what men do to them, try to do to them, or want to do to them. This is true, but then these women also turn around and blame the vast majority of men, who are by and large completely innocent, instead of blaming the small minority of actually guilty men. Men complain about what women won’t let men do to them, resist what men try to do to them, and argue with what men want to do to them. You don't understand men's issues. Men … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/26 03:43 AM |
| 9 | Both men and women have legit grievances, and we should actually try solving them together.Yeah but see women are pure moral innocent angels who can do no harm. That's why they don't think men can ever face any serious issues. Feminsm has spent decades constantly and consistently erasing, dimissing, and invalidating all of men's issues, and the entire feminist narrative relies on women being poor innocent angels while men are evil violent oppresors. If they start to accept that women can be just as evil as men and that men need just as much help as women, it completely collapses the e… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/26 03:39 AM |
| 11 | Both men and women have legit grievances, and we should actually try solving them together.You do realize you're part of the problem here, right? Like, OP is saying "this behaviour can help us all help one another, while that behaviour is unhelpful", and then you come in like the posterchild for that unhelpful behaviour. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/26 03:38 AM |
| 8 | Both men and women have legit grievances, and we should actually try solving them together.You're entirely correct, however, saying this Some women's grievances aren't legitimate. Gets you labelled a woman-hating misogynist in today's society. So there's that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/26 03:36 AM |
| 7 | Both men and women have legit grievances, and we should actually try solving them together.Completely agree with you. Unfortunately feminism's business model relies almost entirely on erasing and invalidating all of men's issues while blaming men for all the ills in the world. So that's kind of a big problem. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/26 03:35 AM |
| 2 | Have you ever gone on a date with a man just to see what he would come up with to win you over, even though you already knew he had absolutely no chance with you?Most women here will say no, and I frankly don't blame them at all. On the other hand, a survey found some 30% of women accepted going on a date with a man they had no intention of ever being with, just for free food. Going on a date to see how he'll try to win her over sounds complicated and possibly dangerous for low rewards. Using men as an atm to get free food is low risk high reward. And look how the majority of feminists defend the notion of men paying for women on dates. Awfully convenien… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/26 09:11 PM |
| – | Do women have their own version of the Madonna-Whore/“conquering” complex?Yes, it's either the "I can change him" or the "he's a violent asshole but he's nice to me", either way it's about feeling special and having that power over men, to be able to change him when nobody else could, or that he is behaving differently towards her because she's so special. I'm reality both of those attitudes generally lead to disaster, and yet they form the vast majority of romance novels and material aimed at women. And for some reason the male version gets constantly called out and … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/26 09:08 PM |
| – | I don’t respect women who expect chivalry beyond basic respect, the same basic respect that everyone is entitled to, regardless of gender.You can be perfect in the rest of your life and still be wrong on this point. I reject your assessment that these men are doing anything that doesn’t also benefit them. They are not victims here. They are not victims of a system that tells them they have to spend their hard earned cash for the benefit of women and that they won't ever see a dime of it returned or repaid? How do you call it then, when people are expected to pay for others benefit at their own expense and to no benefit for themsel… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/26 08:48 PM |
| – | I don’t respect women who expect chivalry beyond basic respect, the same basic respect that everyone is entitled to, regardless of gender.Feel free to argue for why it's outside the scope of the discussion. You don't see me dismissing any of your points, I actually try and engage with them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/26 08:36 PM |
| – | I don’t respect women who expect chivalry beyond basic respect, the same basic respect that everyone is entitled to, regardless of gender.Do you do anything in your society and community for men specifically? Or are you happy to reap all the privileges and all the benefits at men's expenses without ever having to pay any of it back? It's not your job to tell a man how to love his life. Unless he makes a choice that disadvantages you rather than benefits you, in which case you absolutely will tell him how to live or not live his life. "I don't care to change anything so long as I benefit from it" is really not the moral high ground… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/26 08:35 PM |
| 4 | It's not a privilege for girls to have their ability to solve their own problems kneecapped from a young age.Men are always the mostetest oppresedest victims evvaaarrr. Never said men are oppressed victims, I pointed out the true fact that women receive far more help and support than most men will ever receive. If you don't like reality or facts that's not my problem. Yeah, and whose fault is that? Men are transactional douchebags that don't want to take on the role of authority figure or role model for boys because it's unpaid work that doesn't benefit them directly, which is why men don't do it. Righ… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/26 08:30 PM |
| – | I don’t respect women who expect chivalry beyond basic respect, the same basic respect that everyone is entitled to, regardless of gender.The men I date view me as their equal. Full stop. It doesn’t matter who pays for dinner. Do they though? Because you don't see them as your equal. If you did you'd pay them back somehow. We all live our own values. I lose little sleep over your judgment. I'm not worried about you losing sleep over my judgement, I'm worried about how little you seen to care about judging yourself, so long as you have all your benefits and privileges and creature comforts. There's this neat little poem about how a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/26 08:05 PM |
| – | I don’t respect women who expect chivalry beyond basic respect, the same basic respect that everyone is entitled to, regardless of gender.You have everything you need, so you don't care so long as you have what you want. I don't know about you but I don't think "I got my benefits and privileges so I don't care" is an attitude that should be encouraged. Wouldn't society be much better if everyone cared about helping everyone else? It is not unequal or unfair if two consenting adults make a decision that one of them pays for everything. But it is unequal and unfair when 99% of the time the one who pays for everything is always the m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/26 08:02 PM |
| – | I don’t respect women who expect chivalry beyond basic respect, the same basic respect that everyone is entitled to, regardless of gender.So you admit you are a hypocrite? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/26 07:53 PM |
| – | I don’t respect women who expect chivalry beyond basic respect, the same basic respect that everyone is entitled to, regardless of gender."I don't want to address this/I don't have a rebuttal to this, so I'll just say it's outside the scope of this discussion." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/26 07:52 PM |
| – | I don’t respect women who expect chivalry beyond basic respect, the same basic respect that everyone is entitled to, regardless of gender.And how it worked was that men were the heads of households and made all the money and had all the bank accounts and were the only ones who could vote. That's how it worked. Until it changed. You don't want equality. You just want benefits and privilege, and so long as you are on top you don't give a damn how unequal or unfair it is. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/26 07:51 PM |
| – | I don’t respect women who expect chivalry beyond basic respect, the same basic respect that everyone is entitled to, regardless of gender.Men who are patriarchal don't see you as their equal, because if you were an equal you'd pay for your own meal. You don't get to claim the benefits of patriarchy but none of the downsides, then turn around and demand all the benefits of equality with none of the downsides. You're not moral or principled, you're just going along with whatever you like and whatever benefits you the most. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/26 07:50 PM |
| – | I don’t respect women who expect chivalry beyond basic respect, the same basic respect that everyone is entitled to, regardless of gender.Yep, I did. Do you have any argument to make at all, or do you concede that I proved to you how you don't even adhere to your own point? It's called reductio ad absurdum, and I'm showing how absurd your argument is by pointing out the very conclusions of your own argument. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/26 07:49 PM |
| – | I don’t respect women who expect chivalry beyond basic respect, the same basic respect that everyone is entitled to, regardless of gender.You're changing the subject here. You said it would be impolite to buck the culture. At one point the culture was that women were too stupid or silly or irresponsible to vote. That culture has changed and you now enjoy the benefits and privileges of those changes. The difference is that with paying for dinner it is something you benefit from at the expense of men. You're basically saying you don't want to have to fight or change to address issues that affect you and others should fight for you, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/26 07:46 PM |
| – | I don’t respect women who expect chivalry beyond basic respect, the same basic respect that everyone is entitled to, regardless of gender.No it's not. It's only outside the scope of this discussion because you want to enjoy the privileges guilt free and don't want to think about the downsides or consequences. Would you complain if men decided to take your rights away? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/26 07:44 PM |
| – | I don’t respect women who expect chivalry beyond basic respect, the same basic respect that everyone is entitled to, regardless of gender.So you wouldn't complain if men decided to take your rights away? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/26 07:32 PM |
| – | I don’t respect women who expect chivalry beyond basic respect, the same basic respect that everyone is entitled to, regardless of gender.You're lucky people thought it would be rude to buck the culture and demand women get the right to vote then, because if those people had the same attitude you have, you wouldn't have the right to vote right now. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/26 07:30 PM |
| – | I don’t respect women who expect chivalry beyond basic respect, the same basic respect that everyone is entitled to, regardless of gender.IDo you examine every idea of your culture and carefully and publicly reject the ones that aren’t “good” in your estimation? I try yes Is a person who goes along with their culture without doing that less moral than you are? Yes. How about we go ask the collaborators in Nazi Germany, if they were less moral for going along with Nazi culture without examining or rejecting the ideas they don't find good? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/26 07:29 PM |
| – | I don’t respect women who expect chivalry beyond basic respect, the same basic respect that everyone is entitled to, regardless of gender.Do you want to be seen as a prize to be won, instead of being seen as an equal partner? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/26 07:28 PM |
| – | I don’t respect women who expect chivalry beyond basic respect, the same basic respect that everyone is entitled to, regardless of gender.The women who expect chivalry are inherently patriarchal and looking for a traditional relationship. I mean you're not wrong but this is unfortunately the majority of women, including the majority of women who would call themselves feminists. There are women who are feminist or less patriarchal so you should focus your efforts on them rather than arguing with someone who's essentially from a different culture. Well yes but the problem is, women actually perceive hostile sexism to be hostile sexi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/26 07:27 PM |
| – | I don’t respect women who expect chivalry beyond basic respect, the same basic respect that everyone is entitled to, regardless of gender.Or, is the right and kind and moral thing to do at that point to just thank him warmly for the drink and his time? And then on the second date you pay for his drink. Do you expect men to go against the cultural preferences that would benefit men at the expense of women? Because it's rather hypocritical if you're fine with chivalry when it's to your benefit but opposed to it when it's at your expense. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/26 07:24 PM |
| – | I don’t respect women who expect chivalry beyond basic respect, the same basic respect that everyone is entitled to, regardless of gender.And yet m'en are explicitly told to do precisely that, to tell the whole misogynistic patriarchal culture that their way of existing is immoral. Rules for thee but not for me much? If you want equality, that means equal accountability and equal responsibility. You don't get to claim equality for the benefits, and then claim you're a helpless damsel in distress when it's your turn to make changes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/26 07:22 PM |
| 5 | It's not a privilege for girls to have their ability to solve their own problems kneecapped from a young age.You do realize this is the definition of a first world problem, right? This is like saying the rich having money isn't a problem because it kneecaps their ability to solve problems, since their rich parents just throw money at problems to make those problems go away. Who do you think is more privileged, the person whose ability to deal with problems is kneecapped by rich parents, or the person who faces homelessness because they don't have money? Jesus, the "women are always the mostetest oppres… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/26 07:16 PM |
| 1 | Men and women ARE inherently different, and the reason so many people are unhappy nowadays is people have tried to push back against that for so long.MLK and ghandi also didn’t use “soft power”. They used non-violent protest. Which is soft power. They gummed things up through direct intervention. They protested, they sat in in racist shops, they went out and did things that got them arrested. Yes, so they were the recipients of hard power trying to stop them. But they didn't stop, and they turned everyone on their side through their non-violent use of soft power. And when Ghandi went on hunger strike, Churchill, the man in power over India th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/08/26 04:03 PM |
| 1 | Men and women ARE inherently different, and the reason so many people are unhappy nowadays is people have tried to push back against that for so long.Nothing is more disempowering to women than lying to them to tell them that “soft power” is the equal of hard power. It just fucking isn’t. I never said it is equal, I said it is A source of power. And if we tell them to ignore and dismiss a source of power they have access to, we are disempowering them. Soft power is weak and can be blown away in a faint breeze. It’s nothing to aspire to. You can say the same thing of good virtues, or morality, or friends. Should we all be self-centered narciss… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/08/26 03:39 PM |
| 1 | Men and women ARE inherently different, and the reason so many people are unhappy nowadays is people have tried to push back against that for so long.The point was that "So you mention great and amazing events of rebellion. Not in individuals." Then I pointed out multiple individuals, including MLK and Ghandi, to show examples of resistance to and failure of hard power. Money isn't a "source" of hard power, money is a tool that can be used that way, depending on how people use it. And Oskar Schindler used money that could have given him more power, and chose to use it to help and protect others, at great cost to himself, to oppose a forceful … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/08/26 03:33 PM |
| 1 | Men and women ARE inherently different, and the reason so many people are unhappy nowadays is people have tried to push back against that for so long.Fair enough, "significant" is kind of vague, how about important enough differences that they are noticeable and that we can see this effect on the daily life of men and women? Again, none of these differences are justification for discrimination, but just because some people will use any bad excuse for discrimination, doesn't mean we have to deliberately ignore reality just to deny those people a bad excuse. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/08/26 07:42 AM |
| 1 | Men and women ARE inherently different, and the reason so many people are unhappy nowadays is people have tried to push back against that for so long.Ok cool I can agree with you say 90% on that. Excluding the physical (because on average men are stronger than women), there is nothing in the differences between men and women that would warrant erecting barriers to prevent women from achieving anything a man can do. There is not enough difference between men and women to justify enforcing gender roles. I agree with you. So do we agree that, given all the above, there are still significant differences in the psyche of men and women due to force… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/08/26 07:37 AM |
| 1 | Men and women ARE inherently different, and the reason so many people are unhappy nowadays is people have tried to push back against that for so long.Because historically this difference in biology has been the rationale for the discrimination and oppression of women as a gender. You're saying that because some people had bad ideas about biological differences and used those bad ideas about biological differences to create discrimination and oppression, we should therefore completely ignore the reality of those biological differences and wilfully blind ourselves to how reality works. Well, how about we instead DO recognize the biological diff… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/08/26 07:27 AM |
| 1 | Men and women ARE inherently different, and the reason so many people are unhappy nowadays is people have tried to push back against that for so long.Not in individuals. Was Ghandi not an individual? Was Oskar Schindler not an individual? Rebellions are made of individuals coming together. All the people I know with money have autonomy. They can leave miserable relationships. They can leave abusive families and partners. They can hire nannies and mechanics. Okay cool but this has nothing to do with hard power and everything to do with not being broke in a capitalist society. You're conflating different things together here. But all I need to … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/08/26 07:22 AM |
| 1 | Men and women ARE inherently different, and the reason so many people are unhappy nowadays is people have tried to push back against that for so long.Compromise and consultation happens between equals. I refuse to ask for permission from someone who is my equal. And after the compromise and consultation is done, you give permission to your partner to act on whatever you both agreed to. You seem to be taking the most extreme and uncharitable interpretation of "permission" here, as though permission is exclusively given from the master to the slave or something. It's not that deep. If you ask for permission, it means you are merely asking for s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/08/26 07:15 AM |
| 1 | Men and women ARE inherently different, and the reason so many people are unhappy nowadays is people have tried to push back against that for so long.I've yet to see hard power fail Martin Luther King. Ghandi. Oskar Schindler. Any and all forms of peaceful protest. Heck we might as well put revolutions in there as what happens when people abuse hard power too much. You have seen hard power fail again and again and again, history is literally full of examples of it. A failure of hard power is simply when you cannot coerce someone to do something by force. Anyone who resists that force, is defeating hard power. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/08/26 07:09 AM |
| 1 | Men and women ARE inherently different, and the reason so many people are unhappy nowadays is people have tried to push back against that for so long.https://neurolaunch.com/female-aggression-psychology/ Female aggression psychology explains why women’s hostile behavior rarely looks like a punch or a shove. Research spanning three decades shows women use physical aggression far less than men, but they often match or exceed men when it comes to relational and indirect aggression: gossip, exclusion, reputation sabotage, and social manipulation designed to damage a rival without leaving a mark. Understanding this pattern changes how we read ever… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/08/26 07:06 AM |
| 1 | Men and women ARE inherently different, and the reason so many people are unhappy nowadays is people have tried to push back against that for so long.We don't need to have absolutely no iota of any gendered seterotypes. We just need to have more than an iota of evidence that gender actually plays a role. You're assuming blank slate must be true unless proven otherwise. The reality is that it is nature and nurture and they both play a role, and it would be not only completely impossible, but also completely unethical, to try and remove any iota of gendered stereotypes or any iota of biological differences. If blank slate theory were true, we o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/08/26 07:03 AM |
| 1 | Men and women ARE inherently different, and the reason so many people are unhappy nowadays is people have tried to push back against that for so long.I don't see where the tangent is on women wanting to be more masculine. Maybe that's an interpretation I missed, could you explain that more to me? Because being more masculine does not equate to being more independent. I also agree that being independent is generally a good thing, and women deserve to be and ought to be just as independent as men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/08/26 06:58 AM |
| 1 | Why do women get surprised/offended when men want sex?Harming women. Look at the pyramid of sexual violence. I have yet to find a man who has not done any of those things, but I'm actually giving them the benefit of the doubt. Right, the pyramind of sexual violence, invented by feminst scholars to pathologize and blame everything wrong on men while completely erasing and dismissing any and all harm women can do. We're not really off to a good start. Can we start from a position that isn't so blatantly and obviously anti-male? It's also funny becaus… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/08/26 06:22 AM |
| 1 | Men and women ARE inherently different, and the reason so many people are unhappy nowadays is people have tried to push back against that for so long.I'm glad we can agree that women contribute to issues too. You wouldn't believe the amount of people on this sub who still think that women are made of sugar and spice and everything nice, and everything wrong in the world must be the fault of men. The thread OP was talking about was that men and women are different, and pretending like they're not is causing a ton of problems. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/08/26 06:13 AM |
| -1 | Men and women ARE inherently different, and the reason so many people are unhappy nowadays is people have tried to push back against that for so long.We see it in young children playing more often with dolls if they are girls and more often with things if they are boys. We see it in women being more interested in people and men more interested in things. The whole paradox of gender equality illustrates this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender-equality_paradox "The gender-equality paradox is the counterintuitive finding that various average gender differences in personality and occupational choices are larger in countries that scores higher … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/08/26 06:11 AM |
| 1 | Men and women ARE inherently different, and the reason so many people are unhappy nowadays is people have tried to push back against that for so long.Anything that requires permission is by definition inferior to one that doesn't You've never asked permission to someone who is your equal? Do doctors not ask permission before examining their patients? You seem to have an extremely rigid and negative perspective on this, and you seem determined to interpret this in the worst light possible. I understand that the worst light possible is one possible interpretation, but the worst case scenario is not the only interpretation nor the most appropria… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/08/26 06:08 AM |
| 1 | Why do women get surprised/offended when men want sex?The vast majority of men is not innocent. They are guilty to varying degrees. Guilty of what, exactly? Being male? The vast majority of women would be guilty to the same varying degree as men. And is it women or men of that minority? We both know it's men. Right, so you're totally fine blaming and punishing half the people on the planet, just because of the gender they're born into. Whatever happened to judging people by the content of their character? Men are factually more dangerous to women t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/08/26 05:29 AM |
| 2 | Men and women ARE inherently different, and the reason so many people are unhappy nowadays is people have tried to push back against that for so long.You know, I think I was wrong, I was thinking about how women are just as aggressive as men, and they just express it differently. Fair that violence most often refers to physical force, and we need to clarify with verbal or emotional violence to refer to specific kinds of non-physical violence. So I should rephrase that to say that women are just as aggressive as men, they just express that aggressivity with words and social manipulation, and far less with physical violence than men do. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/08/26 02:59 AM |
| 0 | Men and women ARE inherently different, and the reason so many people are unhappy nowadays is people have tried to push back against that for so long.I think the point is that men are not more logical. Violent crimes are almost always crimes committed out of anger which is an emotion I mean I agree a bit, but I'd say men's reasoning more often revolves around facts and logic, while women often take feelings and emotions far more into consideration. I agree that violent crimes are often committed out of anger, but the overwhelming majority of men do not commit violent crimes, so by looking at violent crimes we're already looking at an extremel… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/08/26 02:55 AM |
| 1 | Men and women ARE inherently different, and the reason so many people are unhappy nowadays is people have tried to push back against that for so long.Even if men and women were different biologically that's no excuse to build laws and society determining what men and women should be allowed and expected to do. Completely agree. And soft power is soft for a reason. But that doesn't make it any less powerful. Soft power is pretty please can you do this for me??? Yeah no soft power is significantly more than that. Soft power can be as simple as people wanting to do things for you because they like you, feel they owe you, or think it's the right … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/08/26 02:53 AM |
| 1 | Men and women ARE inherently different, and the reason so many people are unhappy nowadays is people have tried to push back against that for so long.Well yes, never said otherwise, but women tend to be significantly more verbally, emotionally, and socially violent than men. Men tend to be more physically violent. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/08/26 02:46 AM |
| 1 | Men and women ARE inherently different, and the reason so many people are unhappy nowadays is people have tried to push back against that for so long.You know, I think I was wrong, I was thinking about how women are just as aggressive as men, and they just express it differently. Fair that violence most often refers to physical force, and we need to clarify with verbal or emotional violence to refer to specific kinds of non-physical violence. So I should rephrase that to say that women are just as aggressive as men, they just express that aggressivity with words and social manipulation, and far less with physical violence than men do. Also, w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/08/26 02:45 AM |
| 1 | Men and women ARE inherently different, and the reason so many people are unhappy nowadays is people have tried to push back against that for so long.Can soft power ever get men to see women as their equals Yes. That's literally what happened with the Suffragettes. Power is power. And soft power is power. Stop disempowering women by getting women to dismiss and ignore one of their greatest sources of power. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/08/26 02:43 AM |
| 1 | Men and women ARE inherently different, and the reason so many people are unhappy nowadays is people have tried to push back against that for so long.If there are studies that show that women in leadership positions are judged worse or more harshly for the same behaviours as male leaders, If there was 1% of evidence that women are e bitch and men are assertive for the exact same behaviours, i See I can agree with all this. The problem is that there are no similar studies done for men to see how men face issues. So if we are only, solely, and exclusively looking for how women are held back and how women face issues, of course we will find that… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/08/26 02:42 AM |
| 1 | Men and women ARE inherently different, and the reason so many people are unhappy nowadays is people have tried to push back against that for so long.You know, I think I was wrong, I was thinking about how women are just as aggressive as men, and they just express it differently. Fair that violence most often refers to physical force, and we need to clarify with verbal or emotional violence to refer to specific kinds of non-physical violence. So I should rephrase that to say that women are just as aggressive as men, they just express that aggressivity with words and social manipulation, and far less with physical violence than men do. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/08/26 02:39 AM |
| 1 | Men fail to acknowledge they have the upper hand in datingIF they are young and thin. that's NOT "most" women. And there are plenty of women who are not thing and not young that men find attractive. You look at this thin slice of attractive women and think this top 10% of most attractive women are the only women men are attracted to. Sorry, that's how women work, not men. Men find a large variety of body shapes and sizes attractive in women, while the vast majority of women all like basically the same physique in men. Women think this way, and so you t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/08/26 02:36 AM |
| 1 | Why do women get surprised/offended when men want sex?No generalisation ever includes every single person no exceptions. Wwhen statements are made about men, it means the vast majority of men. And yet, the vast majority of men are innocent, but they get blamed anyways. Wouldn't it be better for us to use accurate language to stop blaming innocent men, just because they happen to be male too? No race is consistently as violent as men all over the world. Funny you should say that actually, because you know those statistics about how a particular mino… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/08/26 02:34 AM |
| -4 | Men and women ARE inherently different, and the reason so many people are unhappy nowadays is people have tried to push back against that for so long.Is verbal violence not a thing anymore? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/08/26 06:05 AM |
| -11 | Men and women ARE inherently different, and the reason so many people are unhappy nowadays is people have tried to push back against that for so long.Men are violent because we have statistics proving that men commit about 90% of violent crimes. But violent crimes are not the only kinds of violence. While women are violent... because men say so, to diffuse responsibility and divert attention away from their own criminality. So women using reputation destruction and social ostracization to hurt other women is somehow men diverting attention away from the minority of men who commit crimes? You do realize we can punish male criminals AND recogni… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/08/26 06:04 AM |
| 1 | Why do women give themselves passes for trying to defy a "real man" but men immediately get shunned when they try and defy women?I repeat"children were legally subject to the absolute authority and control of the father". It was not the parents then. It was the father. Of course, it is better that children are taken care of by both parents. So you are not objecting to children being legally subjected to the absolute authority and control of the parents, just objecting to being under the authority and control of the father alone. I'd argue that's a bit of a distinction without much of a difference, because mothers have alw… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/08/26 05:46 AM |
| -10 | Men and women ARE inherently different, and the reason so many people are unhappy nowadays is people have tried to push back against that for so long.Women are equally violent, women tend to express that violence verbally and socially with reputation destruction, not so much physical violence. Per logical I can kinda agree with that, would you agree to say that women tend to prioritize feelings and emotions while men tend to prioritize results and actions? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/08/26 05:33 AM |
| -4 | Men and women ARE inherently different, and the reason so many people are unhappy nowadays is people have tried to push back against that for so long.That means that there needs to be 100% evidence that growing up with gendered streotypes and culture has 0% effect on how men and women act. It's nature and nurture, not either/or. We just need to see that some part of how men and women act ISN'T dependent entirely and solely on gendered stereotypes and to show that something else can explain that difference. Like say the fact men and women have different hormones and mature at different rates. Surely you don't think that having diferent hormone… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/08/26 05:31 AM |
| 1 | Why do women give themselves passes for trying to defy a "real man" but men immediately get shunned when they try and defy women?I mean I am glad that the feminists you work with are such amazing people. Mary Koss however specifically stated that it is inappropriate to consider men rape victims if they're forced to have sex with women, because of her feminist views. She influenced the CDC so that to this very day, the CDC continues to specifically and deliberately erase male rape victims from rape statistics, by calling them victims of "made to penetrate" instead of rape victims. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_P._Koss… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/08/26 04:48 AM |
| -2 | "What do men protect us from though? That's right... other men" without men existing you'd still be freezing in caves, starving to death, and being mauled by predators, maybe grow up?The thing is though, without meat, everyone dies, because there are 9 essential amino acids that the vast majority of the world cannot get through a vegetarian gatherer diet | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/08/26 04:18 AM |
| -2 | "What do men protect us from though? That's right... other men" without men existing you'd still be freezing in caves, starving to death, and being mauled by predators, maybe grow up?So some men built a bridge and fought off a bear in the last century, therefore all men should be able to claim credit as if they did it themselves, while they do nothing on the couch and ignore their children. Some men built a bridge? I'm sorry, you don't seem to understand that basically every single bridge ever built on the planet was 99%+ built by men. Do you realize just how disingenuous you sound and how much you are arguing in bad faith? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/08/26 03:25 AM |
| -2 | "What do men protect us from though? That's right... other men" without men existing you'd still be freezing in caves, starving to death, and being mauled by predators, maybe grow up?Their analysis revealed that regardless of maternal status, women hunted in 50 of these societies—or about 79 percent. But this does not say what the % of female hunters were. Do these societies only need one female hunter in the past 3 generations to be counted? Or did these societies have 50% female hunters? From your source of "In the Americas, a 2020 study found that females likely represented up to 50 percent of prehistoric big game hunters, suggesting the practice was gender neutral. " "Ea… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/08/26 03:23 AM |
| 0 | Why do women give themselves passes for trying to defy a "real man" but men immediately get shunned when they try and defy women?I don't spit on the feminists who actually do some of the work to help men. I spit on the feminists who started the Duluth model and who are actively erasing the fact that half the domestic abuse victims are men, overwhelmingly at the hands of female abusers. I spit on the feminists who convinced the CDC to specifically and deliberately exclude rape victims from rape statistics by calling it "made to penetrate" instead, and who are actively erasing the fact that near half of all rape victims are… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/08/26 03:13 AM |
| -2 | "What do men protect us from though? That's right... other men" without men existing you'd still be freezing in caves, starving to death, and being mauled by predators, maybe grow up?Men's contributions don't matter because they don't do anything now. Do you not live in a house? Drive a car? Work in an office? Have access to fresh drinking water, electricity, and food in supermarkets? Have a police force to protect you? 90%+ of the efforts that go into all of those is done by men. Feel free to go living in the woods if you don't like men's contributions to society. Are you doing chores and childcare? Also no. I mean I'm single and childless so no I'm obviously not doing chil… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/08/26 03:07 AM |
| 0 | Why do women give themselves passes for trying to defy a "real man" but men immediately get shunned when they try and defy women?I'm offloading agency by pointing out how feminism fails to stand up to its own standards? How exactly does that work? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/08/26 02:46 AM |
| 3 | Men fail to acknowledge they have the upper hand in datingit's interesting you're saying this because so many men, even on this sub, will say as long as she is thin, youngish, and "nice to me" that's all i want. So thank you for proving my point, most men find most women attractive. i never claimed that there aren't superficial women and superficial men. i said that the 80/20 thing is misused constantly. And then you prove it right. men and women both being shallow has nothing to do with societal rights and equality. Well see if men and women are equal… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/08/26 02:45 AM |
| 0 | "What do men protect us from though? That's right... other men" without men existing you'd still be freezing in caves, starving to death, and being mauled by predators, maybe grow up?Why are you diminishing men? Men didn't do everything and they aren't the sole reason, but they certainly did a lot. So why are you trying to diminish that? We can acknowledge and recognize all the things men did, and also acknowledge and recognize all the things women did. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/08/26 02:44 AM |
| -4 | "What do men protect us from though? That's right... other men" without men existing you'd still be freezing in caves, starving to death, and being mauled by predators, maybe grow up?Well yes, because the large majority of those efforts were done by men. If it was about childbirth and child rearing I would have said women and people. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/08/26 12:58 AM |
| -7 | "What do men protect us from though? That's right... other men" without men existing you'd still be freezing in caves, starving to death, and being mauled by predators, maybe grow up?Women are included in people, yes. Do you not think that women are people? And women have done a lot for sure, but the overwhelming majority of efforts that led to dominating the planet were done by men. Women have done a ton of work raising children, in schools and hospitals and assisting, but the majority of back breaking labour was done by men, the majority of the fighting was done by men, the majority of the exploring was done by men, and the majority of the dying was done by men. Why are yo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/08/26 12:57 AM |
| 0 | Why do women give themselves passes for trying to defy a "real man" but men immediately get shunned when they try and defy women?Right, my point is that "loudly pointing out" is completely devoid of any real work. I mean I almost agree with you, because the majority of feminist work seems to have been loudly pointing out things and campaigning for those things to get changed. Calling attention to a problem, raising public awareness, and campaigning to get issues changed is actually an effective tactic to create change in society. The problem is that as a society we are very willing to do this to address women's issues, an… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/08/26 12:53 AM |
| 1 | The "Loneliness Epidemic" isn't owned by men. It needs to stop being framed as a male-exclusive problem. Mostly to stop arguments that women are expected to fix it for men.The problem is that they think they understand class analysis. The entire premise of feminism is based on a perversion of class analysis, taking the struggle of the proletariat vs the bourgeoisie and seizing the means of production, and relabelling it the struggle of women vs men and seizing the means of REproduction. They think they're doing class analysis right, when more often than not it'S a bastardized version of class analysis that only works if you torture the analogy enough and ignore ev… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/08/26 12:46 AM |
| 1 | Why do women give themselves passes for trying to defy a "real man" but men immediately get shunned when they try and defy women?First off let's put the idea of women's debts being covered by a husband. How many women could go out shopping and spend money without any money? It did not happen You're right, women could not shop without money. It's a good thing husbands gave their wives money so they could shop without that. You might also be unaware of this, but during the medieval period it was often women who controlled the money in the home, the man was the authority on everything outside the home, while the woman was th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/08/26 12:43 AM |
| -8 | "What do men protect us from though? That's right... other men" without men existing you'd still be freezing in caves, starving to death, and being mauled by predators, maybe grow up?As a species we have literally dominated the entire planet, largely due to the efforts of men for the past 400 years. The fact you no longer need to fear a bear today is due to the efforts of men and people for the past 6,000 years. Pretending like half the people on the planet didn't matter or their contributions are pointless now, because today you don't need to fear bears, is idiotic. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/08/26 12:26 AM |
| -2 | "What do men protect us from though? That's right... other men" without men existing you'd still be freezing in caves, starving to death, and being mauled by predators, maybe grow up?The thing is thought, for the vast majority of human history, 80-90% of people gathered food for the 10-20% of people who weren't actively gathering food. To develop tools you need division and specialization of labour, communication, and trade generally. You generally don't get much of that in hunter gatherer tribes because they're all nomadic, so they're constantly busy moving, and can't accumulate anything because they have to carry everything with them, so significantly lesser tool developme… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/08/26 12:15 AM |
| 2 | Men fail to acknowledge they have the upper hand in datingThere are some men who prefer older women (MILFs), there are some men who prefer fat women, there are some men who prefer flat women. In contrast, the male form that is attractive to most women falls within a significantly narrower range. you mean most of a certain age group and weight range right? that's not the same as "most" at all. Whatever age group and weight range you think men's preferences are "restricted" to, women's preferences are significantly narrower. Let's just stop pretending an… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/08/26 12:15 AM |
| 1 | "What do men protect us from though? That's right... other men" without men existing you'd still be freezing in caves, starving to death, and being mauled by predators, maybe grow up?That’s not said because women think men are their only threat. It’s said because men like to tout themselves (as a demographic) as the grand providers and protectors of women, but it is also men (as a demographic) that pose a lot of risk to women to begin with. Kinda like a person giving themselves a gold star for solving a problem they caused in the first place, yeah? So what you're saying is we should treat men as a monolith? So why are you assigning credit to men for these things? Because if … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 11:39 PM |
| 2 | Men fail to acknowledge they have the upper hand in datingMost women fully admit they don't find most men attractive. Most men admit they find most women attractive. The 80/20 rule isn't an exact or perfect rule, but as an approximation it is surprisingly accurate and useful. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 11:17 PM |
| 2 | Why do women get surprised/offended when men want sex?What about the men who haven't done anything either? Are they automatically guilty still, simply because they have a penis? Oh please, pattern recognition is normal. Funny you say that, racists use that exact same argument too. You sure that's where you want to go? Also funny per sharks because you're 100,000 times more likely to die slipping in your own bathtub than you are to be attacked by a shark. It's called motivated reasoning. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 07:02 PM |
| 1 | Men fail to acknowledge they have the upper hand in datingWell yes, but most women don't seem to have a clue about what men want or care about, unfortunately. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 06:14 PM |
| 6 | Men fail to acknowledge they have the upper hand in datingThe top 10% of men have the upper hand in dating. The bottom 80% doesn't. But men? Age doesn’t impact them in the same way. They have the upper hand from 30–80 - 50 YEARS. More like from 40 and up, at which point it's like saying congratulations, you had a shit hand in school, in university, and most of your career was shit, but you're getting a good retirement package! What a joke. Men also have so much more control over their attractiveness, with so many avenues to become a more attractive mat… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 06:12 PM |
| 1 | How far do men go to feel worthy of love?I agree with what you are saying but also need to add that what constitutes a “good” partner should only be determined by the person in the relationship. Eh I mean yes and no, it's up to each person to determine who is a good partner because it's them in the relationship, but there are also cases when we can obviously see someone is making the wrong choice. I agree with you, within reasonable limits haha. I think some of the push back from women towards men about this issue comes from the impres… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 03:26 AM |
| 7 | The "Loneliness Epidemic" isn't owned by men. It needs to stop being framed as a male-exclusive problem. Mostly to stop arguments that women are expected to fix it for men.Women are better drivers than men and don't take unnecessary risks. By that standard are you ready to accept that men are better workers than women which is why men earn more money and are more CEOs and politicians? Or do you think there are other mitigating factors and that reality is more complicated than simply declaring that women must be better than men at anything they do? Men refuse to get education because it's unpaid work. Right, so if black people "refuse to get education" it's because… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 03:07 AM |
| 2 | Why do women give themselves passes for trying to defy a "real man" but men immediately get shunned when they try and defy women?Whatever the reasons for denying women bank accounts, they were not because anyone wanted to do right by women. And whatever the reason for conscripting men and forcing them to fight in wars, they were not because anyone wanted to do right by men either. You can say what you want about women getting custody of children over men, I am sure this was not done for lulz either. Ironically enough it was due to the women's movement who found it unfair that fathers would get custody of the children beca… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 03:01 AM |
| 1 | Why do women get surprised/offended when men want sex?Sure, you keep telling yourself that. I want you to look at a newborn baby boy and tell him that he's just as guilty and responsible of all the horrible stuff that happened simply because that baby boy was born with a penis. Funny that it is widely lauded when MLK says that we ought to judge people by the content of their character not the colour of their skin, but all that flies out the moment we talk about gender and we definitely and totally should judge people not by the content of their cha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 02:55 AM |
| 1 | Why do women get surprised/offended when men want sex?also look around in the real world, ugly women rarely have male friends And surprise surprise ugly men rarely have female friends too. I'd say it's way more likely for ugly women to have male friends than for ugly men to have female friends. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 02:54 AM |
| 7 | The "Loneliness Epidemic" isn't owned by men. It needs to stop being framed as a male-exclusive problem. Mostly to stop arguments that women are expected to fix it for men.I mean yes and no, but that'S the thing, the article claims that when "Pew pollsters asked the same question more recently, they found no substantial gender disparity", but when I try and follow their link to the most recent Pew poll, that question does not appear at all. The article claims that the recent Pew poll shows no substantial gender disparity in loneliness, but when I look at the Pew poll itself, that doesn't appear to be what they say at all. The most recent Pew poll actually points o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 02:52 AM |
| 1 | Why do women give themselves passes for trying to defy a "real man" but men immediately get shunned when they try and defy women?Credit cards are not bank accounts, but banks still had options and they did not take the one that would be of benefit to women. For a variety of reasons, none of which were to oppress women for the lulz. Before then, many banks could legally require a single woman to have a male cosigner or insist that a married woman obtain her husband’s signature before opening certain accounts or applying for credit. Well yes, because the man was responsible for paying all of her debts and she could not be h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/26 12:12 AM |
| 3 | The "Loneliness Epidemic" isn't owned by men. It needs to stop being framed as a male-exclusive problem. Mostly to stop arguments that women are expected to fix it for men.Men aren't supposed to have emotions, except for the emotions women want to see in men. Gotta love the wanting men to be open and emotional and vulnerable, but only in the way women like and want, and that men should only display the emotions women want to deal with and never display any emotions that might in any way shape or form make women uncomfortable. Meanwhile women can have a complete emotional breakdown every weekend and men are horrible if they don't unconditionally care about and supp… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 11:26 PM |
| 0 | Why do women give themselves passes for trying to defy a "real man" but men immediately get shunned when they try and defy women?"it wasn’t until the Equal Credit Opportunity Act was passed in 1974 that women could get their own credit cards in their own name And a credit card is not a bank account. I agree that women were not allowed to get credit cards at first due to remnants and artefacts in law, not due to a deliberate attempt to oppress women. Why WOULDN'T credit card companies want women to have credit cards and make money off them? "Under the current law of almost all states, mothers and fathers have an equal righ… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 11:21 PM |
| 1 | Why do women get surprised/offended when men want sex?Oh I actually believed men were good when I was a kid/teenager. I just grew up and accepted their true nature. See that's the problem right there. Imagine saying that about literally any other group of people. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 11:12 PM |
| 1 | How far do men go to feel worthy of love?You know that's totally fair and I would agree, most people are not good at choosing partners because it is so easy to focus on the wrong things, and to consider important some values or issues that have nothing to do with finding a good partner. For some reason most women refuse to acknowledge this and prefer to blame men than recognize that women are just as shit at picking a good partner as men are. I agree with you that it's luck and that we have so many bad relationships because people are … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 10:49 PM |
| 4 | The "Loneliness Epidemic" isn't owned by men. It needs to stop being framed as a male-exclusive problem. Mostly to stop arguments that women are expected to fix it for men.Well yes, and it does that point by ignoring data that goes against the conclusion they want to show. Imagine if there was an article about how women exxagerate rape problems, and started with paragraphs talking about rape jokes and how they're funny. Would you take that source seriously? So why should I believe your quoted article is impartial when it goes out of its way to clearly promote people who make fun the male loneliness epidemic? Not saying women aren't also lonely, we all are, but I h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 10:39 PM |
| -1 | Why do women give themselves passes for trying to defy a "real man" but men immediately get shunned when they try and defy women?I mean I am happy to hear you work with human rights groups, there are plenty of issues and they deserve to be addressed for sure. It's just a shame that there are so many issues seriously impacting men, and so many human rights groups who consider men to be dead last in terms of priority. I'm not complaining loudly in the hopes of someone doing something, I am loudly pointing out the double standards, hypocrisy, and misinformation that so pervasively and consistently ignores, dismisses, invalid… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 10:38 PM |
| 0 | Why do women get surprised/offended when men want sex?By that same standard, women themselves say they hate men and want men to die. You're either picking a loud minority of men, or not caring to understand what they mean. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 10:31 PM |
| -1 | Why do women give themselves passes for trying to defy a "real man" but men immediately get shunned when they try and defy women?Do you have anything to respond to what I wrote? Have you heard about anything I pointed out from feminist circles? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 08:30 PM |
| 9 | The "Loneliness Epidemic" isn't owned by men. It needs to stop being framed as a male-exclusive problem. Mostly to stop arguments that women are expected to fix it for men.No, I'm not good with an article that pretty much goes out of its way to dismiss and invalidate an issue that affects men more and more seriously than women, and then pretends like women are affected just as much so we should stop talking about men's issues. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 07:46 PM |
| 1 | How far do men go to feel worthy of love?We're not dating society but society has a huge impact on the people living within it. After all we don't day "well society might be racist but you're not dating society, so just stop complaining about racism and just find the people who aren't racist". Ignoring a problem and pretending it isn't there rarely makes it go away. Why is it that women's issues are important and deserving of time and attention, but men's issues aren't? Date individuals, interact with individuals, get to know individua… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 07:18 PM |
| 11 | The "Loneliness Epidemic" isn't owned by men. It needs to stop being framed as a male-exclusive problem. Mostly to stop arguments that women are expected to fix it for men.Recent large polls from Pew Research and the Harvard Graduate School of Education found no significant gender gap in self-reported feelings of loneliness. Right, so a man going from 4 friends to 0 friends, is just as lonely as a woman who goes from 15 friends to 10 friends. That's kind of the problem with self-reported feelings, they're vague and imprecise and can mean almost anything if you interpret it hard enough. In a KFF survey, more women (18 percent) than men (13 percent) said they always… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 07:14 PM |
| 1 | Why do women get surprised/offended when men want sex?If you want to make quotes in markdown editor you can just put a ">" at the start of a paragraph and it will quote things like I do. That's not the same. The men were making that admission about themselves. Someone telling you women are backstabbing bitches are just bad mouthing others. Plus, what the hell is "men hatred" about a man being willing to have sex with a woman he's not attracted to? Those men were saying they themselves were willing to have sex with women they found unattractive? I m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 07:00 PM |
| -5 | Why do women give themselves passes for trying to defy a "real man" but men immediately get shunned when they try and defy women?Yeah I mean this year is only the 50th anniversary of women being able to open a bank account without a man's permission. Not true, women could have their own bank accounts, and did after they divorced their husband. It's that when they were a family the man was legally responsible for all the women's debt, so if she had her bank account, she could spend on whatever she wanted however she wanted, he would nave no control, but he'd still be obligated to pay for all her debts. Marital rape wasn't … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 06:46 PM |
| -3 | Why do women give themselves passes for trying to defy a "real man" but men immediately get shunned when they try and defy women?Bro, men used to literally joke about going home to beat the old “ball and chain” since before you were born. Just because men enjoy gallow's humour more than women doesn't mean those men are actual psychopaths. Women being able to say No to their husbands without getting a black eye is still novel Yeah no that's completely wrong. They’ll probably stop feeling brave standing up to men once men stop using physical violence as a threat to silence them. (Ie “women don’t want to be treated like equa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 06:44 PM |
| 1 | How far do men go to feel worthy of love?By the behaviour I meant generally the bad behaviour, regardless of whether it's men or women doing it. I just wanted to acknowledge there is a difference between pointing out the cause of the problems, and then actually dealing with the outcome of the problems and how we deal with raising a child who is now born, and is not at fault and not guilty for the behaviour of the parents. I meant more specifically the behaviour of women choosing to have babies with deadbeat baby daddies when there was … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 06:35 PM |
| 0 | How far do men go to feel worthy of love?there's a difference between having money in mind while planning a family and valuing men for money I mean yes, but that's a distinction without a difference. A man without money will be valued significantly less by women than a man with money. I wish it wasn't so, but it is, and to pretend otherwise is wishful thinking at best and outright denial at worst. people date and marry within their social class, poor people have the most kids, so no. And within their social class women overwhelmingly m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 06:31 PM |
| 1 | Why do women get surprised/offended when men want sex?I mean I've been told by some women that women are backstabbing bitches, but apparently that's "internalized misogyny". Do you think those men might have "internalized misandry"? Men are usually willing to have sex with women they are not attracted to. Define "not attracted to"? There's a difference between a woman who is unattractive, and a woman whom the man isn't super attractive but doesn't find unattractive. In contrast most women seemingly only want to have sex wit hmen they find very attr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 06:29 PM |
| 1 | How far do men go to feel worthy of love?Well yeah. Men judge women as beauty objects. Women judge men as success objects. Neither objectification is good, but let's stop pretending like bad things only happen to women and that women don't judge men just as harshly in return. Welcome to equality, women are just as smart, just as shitty, just as kind, and just as abusive as men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 06:20 PM |
| -1 | How far do men go to feel worthy of love?I did say they feel and want to feel, though I suppose that wasn't terribly clear. Many women do not feel unconditionally loved but want it. If anything I'd say there are more women wanting unconditional love than men wanting unconditional love, because men are pretty explicitly socialized to believe love is highly conditional on their performance and their ability to fulfill roles. Romance as a genre is heavily and explicitly catered to female preferences and female desire for unconditional lov… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 06:19 PM |
| 1 | How far do men go to feel worthy of love?I mean I agree that it should be like that. But largely in society it absolutely isn't. And we aren't entitled to anything from you neither, so relax and love yourself unconditionally. Unfortunately that is not the message in society, there are a ton of things that women still feel entitled to from men and will shame men for failing to provide, and society almost completely turns a blind eye to that. In contrast any man daring to say he ought to have anything at all from women, even the bare min… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 06:12 PM |
| 1 | How far do men go to feel worthy of love?I mean there is one thing of shaming the behaviour that led to the problematic situation, and then it's a completely different thing to actually deal with the problematic situation itself. I don’t hear men shame other men for not being involved in their child(ren)’s lives. There are constant refrains of how men aren't "real" men if they abandon their kids and family. Besides shaming works on women much much more than it works on men. Men tend to work more on rewards vs punishment, a cost/benefit… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 06:10 PM |
| 1 | Why do women get surprised/offended when men want sex?Honey, I’m absolutely fine with men staying away from me. I’m in a happy relationship and if that ever ends, I’ve seen enough of what is out there to know I never want another man. For what it is worth I am genuinely happy to hear you are in a good relationship and I totally understand that if something happens, you'd not be interested to go back into the dating pool. That is completely valid. I hope you understand that this sentiment applies equally to men. We're also facing terrible shit in da… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 06:05 PM |
| 1 | How far do men go to feel worthy of love?You know I am actually incredibly surprised and happy to see we agree. Basically every single time I see these points brought up, everything is always blamed on men and blame and responsibility are constantly and consistently deflected off of women. I am very happily surprised to find we agree! Unfortunately now we just need to convince the other 95% of women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 05:53 PM |
| -1 | How far do men go to feel worthy of love?Fair, maybe I read into the comment something that wasn't there. The overwhelming majority of the time, when poor deadbeat dads are brought up, it is to blame men. Maybe AngeAware is the one in a hundred exception to that, and she is actually holding women accountable for their choices of letting themselves get pregnant by deadbeat baby daddies. If that is so, I will be happily surprised. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 05:51 PM |
| 2 | How far do men go to feel worthy of love?It's not a common thing to value men for their money outside the manosphere You do realize that women find income in men about 100x more attractive than men find income in women, right? Like it's a nice sentiment to say, but it'S about as realistic as saying that "it's not a common thing for men to value women for their appearance, they all love women for their personality and education". It's practically a complete denial of reality to pretend like money is not a factor at all for men. It's par… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 05:41 PM |
| 3 | How far do men go to feel worthy of love?Clearly there are plenty of men who are not particularly scrupulous about their partners or even their children having good lives. And women who are getting pregnant by them. But for some reason this is always and entirely the men's fault, and never the women's fault for choosing to be with these men... Not saying those men aren't terrible, they are, but women still go to them and choose to be impregnated by them despite all women's claims they can detect bad men at a glance. My own sister's bab… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 05:39 PM |
| -2 | How far do men go to feel worthy of love?But sometimes I wonder: Do we really need money to feel worthy of being loved? Well see if men felt loved unconditionally the same way women feel and want to feel loved, then men would have no interest in chasing women and women would lose all their leverage and power over men, and most women don't like that. A comedian put it really well, that men think about love and go "I'm fucked, I can't go on without her, I keep thinking about her, I see her in my dreams. I need to be with her. THAT. Is ho… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 05:37 PM |
| 1 | Why do women get surprised/offended when men want sex?No idea where you heard that, because men are generally attracted to women, and generally won't sleep with women they find unattractive. The term "incel" was literally invented by a woman who had no romantic success, if men slept with any woman regardless of how attractive she was there would be no female incels, or femcels. You're treating men like they're not acting the way women would, therefore the way men do it is wrong. You're treating men like they're defective women and asking why men ca… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 05:29 PM |
| 0 | Why do women get surprised/offended when men want sex?I mean that's a valid response if you never want to ever have any sex or ever have any heterosexual relationships. I suppose you could find an asexual man where you'll both hate sex but have it a few times to try and have children. On behalf of the majority of women, stop approaching us and don’t get angry when your advances are shot down. See that's the thing though, the good men have heard and have listened, and are staying away. So now the only men left to approach are the assholes who don't … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 05:27 PM |
| 0 | Why do women get surprised/offended when men want sex?But how do you know they only want sex? You can't look into their head to determine that. So many women look at a man who wants sex on top of everything else, and immediately dismiss him as "only wanting sex" because that's the only part they look at or are bothered by. I agree with you for the guys who only want sex. The problem is there are far too many women who see men wanting any sex at all, and unilaterally decide that sex is the only thing he wants. A significant proportion of the men tha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 03:05 PM |
| 0 | Why do women get surprised/offended when men want sex?Is it that sex is ALL they wanted, or that they wanted things IN ADDITION to sex, and that completely natural desire for sex that 99% of heterosexual men have, all of a sudden becomes the only thing that matters to you, and we ignore everything else the man said just because he says he also wants sex to be part of the deal? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 02:12 PM |
| 1 | Why do women get surprised/offended when men want sex?On the contrary. I would encourage those of you looking for sex just come out and ask for it. Well see that's your problem right there. 99% of straight men are looking for sex. They're not looking just for sex or only sex and nothing else, but if sex is completely off the table, you're left with gay men and asexual men. The equivalent would be men wanting to be with women who never want to talk about her feelings. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 01:58 PM |
| 1 | Why do women get surprised/offended when men want sex?So what you're saying is that homosexuality is a choice then. Sounds pretty honophobic to me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/26 01:56 PM |
| 1 | The Idea That "Men Should Pay For Dates Because Men Tend to Do Less Housework" Is You Admitting You Treat Men Like a MonolithWomen will straight up tell you, yeah they expect men to pay, it shows they're interested. So these women treat men like a monolith, yes? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/08/26 05:19 AM |
| – | I'm tired of the lying and the Gaslighting. Women approaching men has MORE advantages then if a guy approaches women.Haha fair enough, and yeah that is a good attitude to have, I should do the same. It just gets exhausting day after day to see the same hateful dehumanizing shit wrapped up in moral self aggrandizement. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/26 06:27 PM |
| – | I'm tired of the lying and the Gaslighting. Women approaching men has MORE advantages then if a guy approaches women.First time reading posts from feminists talking about men? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/26 06:13 PM |
| 2 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?Thank you. Unfortunately you and I are a minority in society, but hey, the more we talk about this, the faster we can get to actual equality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/26 10:20 PM |
| 1 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?I just think that this particular factor is NOT animalistic/reptile brain; it is logical and cortical. In the exact same way that it is logical and cortical for men to want women who are beautiful yes. And it's fair that you never said women aren't superficial, aodeyt hat wasn't aimed at you in particular, just the general belief out there in society. The faster we as a society can recognize that women and men are equally logical and equally superficial, we will all get along better. Again didn'… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/26 09:22 PM |
| 2 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?I mean mention that because it's a scientifically proven fact that women care significantly more about wealth than men do. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S109051381730315X "We found that ratings of attractiveness were around 1000 times more sensitive to salary for females rating males, compared to males rating females. These results indicate that higher economic status can offset lower physical attractiveness in men much more easily than in women." It's not to say that wea… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/26 08:23 PM |
| 2 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?Completely agree with you. All those other values and personal quirks and other traits on top are both extremely important and need to be recognized and acknowledged too. It just doesn't erase the fact that we are basically evolved monkeys and the parts of our brain that lights up and make us aroused when seeing people of the sex/gender we desire, lights up for basal, animalistic, evolution-based reasons. We can and should care more about the emotional connection. But we can't pretend like what … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/26 07:22 PM |
| – | Q4W: How would you vet another woman if you were looking for one to date?Look, I'm not saying rape doesn't happen to women. I'm not saying rape isn't horriffic. What I am saying is that rape happens to men TOO and men are ALSO victims of rape, but male victims of rape get constantly and consistently erased and dismissed. A lot of men do not report because they don't understand that they can be raped by women. And they are afraid no one will believe them. Or they get told to get over it because men can't get raped by women. And it'S traumatic for them to sit and tell … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/26 07:19 PM |
| 1 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?I agree the formula can't fully explain it, but to say the formula can't explain anything at all is just flat out wrong. The formula can explain a lot of attraction, the question is whether the formula explains 25% or 75% of attraction or wahtever. Women often claim the formula explains 10%, when the reality shows us it's much closer to 60%. Most of what people (both men and women) say they like in a partner doesn’t automatically translate in a relationship with a person with those attributes. T… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/26 07:12 PM |
| 1 | Women are Not Entitled to Men's Credulity towards their "Lived Experiences" and Self-Reports Regarding Dating, Men, etc.The only place I find women not listening to men is this subreddit because they make sweeping statements such as women do not listen to them Feel free to ask the men in your life if they feel listened to by women at large when it concerns men's issues and women understanding what men are going through. Seriously? We listen but sometimes it is just too much. But see if a man says it's just too much, he's a sexist and misogynist and not trying hard enough. While if men say women don't listen enoug… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/26 07:07 PM |
| 2 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?Well yea, that's competence. Because a competent partner can ensure you and your kids will be fed and protected. AKA "My reptilian brain finds this male to be a suitable mate for reproduction due to his physical (and behavioural) qualities but my frontal lobe cannot allow me to know that because my self-concept depends on me thinking of myself as a rational, loving person above animalistic urges." I added the behavioural bit in there. Women are attracted to height, income, strength, status (soci… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/26 07:17 AM |
| -6 | CMV: The non-red pills have the more inconsistent and incoherent views of gender because they don't understand the difference between positive rights and negative rightsChild support doesnt have to do with being a woman. You can get custody if you want and not pay child support. In theory, yes. In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. In the US, fathers do not have equal rights to have access to their own children as mothers do, in 44 out of 50 states. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_shared_parenting_legislation | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/26 07:12 AM |
| 0 | Q4W: How would you vet another woman if you were looking for one to date?I agree. Unfortunately men are less likely to recognize that they have been raped by women, are less likely to report being raped by a woman than women are likely to report being raped by a man, and men reporting being raped by women are less likely to be believed by the police and more likely to be re-traumatized. Men absolutely should report female rapists and abusers, and as a society we are failing male victims horribly. Unfortunately the single largest obstacle standing in the way of recogn… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/26 04:06 AM |
| 2 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?Yeah that was my bad, I meant Ted Bundy, not Jeffrey Dahmer, oops! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/26 03:46 AM |
| 2 | Women don’t actually need men anymore. So what incentive is left for commitment?I am laser focused on a particular segment of women that seems to be growing and becoming a larger and larger majority. I'm happy to hear that's not your experience in dating, but that doesn't mean that something isn't happening just because it isn't happening to you. Our of curiosity what has your experience been like, what age group, and where? I think it's generally better in Europe than N America, and not as bad in Canada (where I am) than the US, but it's still rather bad up here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/26 03:45 AM |
| 0 | Women don’t actually need men anymore. So what incentive is left for commitment?It's surprising how many patriarchal gender norms feminists are more than happy with when it benefits women. I agree that it is toxic and that men don't have to pursue or settle for women like that, but unfortunately feminism seems to actively be pushing that kind of message, saying stuff like women don't need men and women are strong and independent now and men have to do better and step up their game. If you are not a toxic feminist like that I am happy to hear, but unfortunately it seems you … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/26 03:44 AM |
| 1 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?That was my bad haha, I said Jeffrey Dahmer but I meant Ted Bundy, my bad. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/26 03:39 AM |
| 1 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?Honestly, it's kind of hilarious often I see women try and disprove a point, and then prove that point in their very attempt to disprove it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/26 03:23 AM |
| 1 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?How would you know? You're not talking about behavior, you are talking about my inner thoughts, feelings and motivations, things you have no ability to know unless you're God or whatever. So thanks for proving my point for me lol. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/26 03:22 AM |
| 1 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?I don't have to be a helicopter pilot to know that, if I see a helicopter stuck in a tree, something has gone wrong. Per how would I know, how would I know about what? That women use different values to judge men? Because they say so and demonstrate so. How would I know that men are more willing to lotically argue? Because most women so frequently fall back on as Kevin Samuels calls it the SIGN language, Shame, Insult, Guilt, and Need to be Right, that it's almost comical. Just like you're doing… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/26 03:21 AM |
| 1 | Q4W: How would you vet another woman if you were looking for one to date?Unfortunately she can rape and abuse men and women, and still not get a criminal history. Because women aren't rapists or abusers you see. I wish this was sarcasm. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/26 03:18 AM |
| 1 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?I mean I agree that moral judgement isn't limited to one gender, the point is that there will be judgement in life whether it's valid judgements or invalid judgements, but trying to avoid judgement through lying and deception just muddies the waters, it benefits those who want to avoid judgement and accountability but makes it worse for everyone else. Women are just as judgemental as men, but for some reason as a society we accept women judging men and saying quite a lot of harsh things about me… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/26 03:16 AM |
| -1 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?I mean I agree, but the spread of what women find attractive is generally much narrower than the spread of what men find attractive. There are men who find taller women, shorter women, slimmer women, fatter women, muscular women, and everything in between attractive. There are very very few women who find shorter men attractive. I also agree that not every woman's attraction works the same for sure, but again, on the whole, what women like and are attracted to in nen is generally narrower physic… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/26 08:36 PM |
| 2 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?Well yes, attractive men tend to be more confident because being attractive means more success and less rejection, which directly leads to more confidence. Confidence is a result of success, not the cause of it. Women look at the confidence and pretend its not the attractiveness. Confident but ugly men get frequently told they're arrogant not confident. Confidence is only "valued" when women judge he's deserving of that confidence, either because of his success, status, or looks. I do agree that… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/26 06:55 PM |
| 4 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?That is truthful for sure, and certainly more truthful than trying to downplay the importance of looks. It's also kind of ironic because if more men knew what women found attractive then men would make more of an effort to look more attractive to women. The end result would be that women would see even more attractive men, so women should be in favour of telling men what they find attractive. Instead men are basically bombarded with constantly contradictory messages and have no idea what women w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/26 06:33 PM |
| 3 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?Unfortunately I think many women in fact do. Surely we can recognize that if there is racism and people treat racial minorities worse due to stereotypes, then we can tpretend that the constant portrayal of men as murdered and rapists and evil in society, won't have an effect on how women treat men. It might not be an explicit blaming all men for the actions of a few, but it is absolutely more like women treating men they don't know like potential murderers until and unless proven otherwise. It's… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/26 06:31 PM |
| 1 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?First I want to point out I actually made a mistake, u/PositionStandard6089 pointed out I was actually talking about Ted Bundy, not Jeffrey Dahmer, I had gotten the name wrong. See, I'm being rational and reasonable, admitting I made a mistake and owning up to it, not delusional at all. So yeah some of the miscommunication is definitely my fault because I got the name wrong, Ted Bundy was considered attractive and charismatic which is how he got so many women to lower their defences around him, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/26 06:25 PM |
| 3 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?From the wiki page Bundy was regarded as handsome and charismatic, traits he exploited to win the confidence of his victims and the people around him in his daily life.[121][335][336][337] "Ted lured females," Michaud wrote, "the way a lifeless silk flower can dupe a honey bee."[338] He would sometimes approach females pretending to be an authority figure or firefighter. So he was considered attractive and charismatic. We don't get to go "well he was an evil person so clearly he wasn't attractiv… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/26 06:20 PM |
| 2 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?I am genuinely and honestly happy to hear you are in favour of a system that holds women equally accountable. It is so rare and refreshing honestly. Now we just have to convince the other 95% of women. That said, while women certainly CAN be as violent and predatory as men, I think most violent crime is perpetrated by males. The average is different. This is true, but it's a factor of a few different things, largely that men do tend to be physically stronger, and that women tend to express their… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/26 06:16 PM |
| 1 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?When communicating, it is the responsibility of the sender to make sure the message is well received and understood. Women don't get to go "well it's your own fault for not understanding what I clearly meant to say but didn't actually say" when it is clear and obvious that men are not in fact understanding the message women are sending. When people ask women what women want. Be physically attractive to us, should be understood. And when men point it out women go "absolutely not it's all about vi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/26 06:12 PM |
| 1 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?I mean yes, attractive men tend to be more confident, but attractiveness means more success and compliments and support, and less failure and insults and neglect, so of course more attractive men will be more confident as a result. Same goes for women. And there are many women who will positive tear down an ugly but confident man by saying he has jo reason to be that confident, that he must be arrogant instead. So confidence when an attractive man does it is confidence, but when an ugly man does… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/26 05:58 PM |
| 0 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?Don't worry, women do it to men all the time too. It would just be nice if we could actually treat equality like we are all equally vain and superficial, and stop with the "women are pure nice innocent angels" stuff. Treating equality like women only get the good parts of equality but none of the bad parts isn't equality at all. If we want society to truly treat women as equal, then we have to recognize women can be just as kind, just as vile, just as caring, just as violent, just as smart, and … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/26 05:55 PM |
| 7 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?Oh shit you're right, total brain fart moment, sorry about that! Yes I did mean Ted Bundy, my bad! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/26 05:51 PM |
| 1 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?Women don't deny their attraction to physically attractive men, they just pretend like it's a bunch of other qualities that makes them attracted to the attractive men. And then men see how the other men, who are not as attractive but have all the qualities women claim to find so attractive, struggle severely in dating, and we see how the attractiveness is what mattered all along. I agree it's not the ONLY factor, but it's a damn huge one, and one that women constantly and consistently downplay, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/26 05:50 PM |
| 7 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?And yet he frequently and easily charmed women. I guess he was just so good looking that women fell for him despite him being emotionally flat, struggling to make friends, and couldn't hold eye contact. Pointing out how he was socially awkward but attractive, is proving my point about how attractiveneas matters more than almost everything else, and that women are just as superficial as men. Thanks for proving my point for me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/26 05:47 PM |
| 0 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?Right, so "anything I disagree with" ="delusional incel babble", got it. Nothing I can say will ever change your mind because you're going to dismiss anything I say out of hand. Per Jeffrey Dahmer, it's funny because women on here constelry say men are rapists and incels are mass murderers, literally choosing exceptions and applying it to everyone, but if I do the same thing back then all of a sudden I'm the problem. My counter point was exactly that, a counter point. Bitching about it an moanin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/26 05:45 PM |
| 1 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?No, some things absolutely can and do fit loosely, you can't have a rigid formula for sense of humour or how closely values match, or quirks and personality traits. They all play a role. But to pretend NOTHING can be explained by a formula is simply wrong. And most women don't like to admit how much of that formula shows that women are just as vain and superficial as men, just that women judge men by different standards that aren't necessarily better. People don't date others based on hotness al… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/26 05:38 PM |
| -2 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?Oh no it's absolutely a refusal to acknowledge that women are just as vain and superficial as men are, just that women use different values to judge men by. Per "delusional incel babble" I mean it sure is easy, you never have to engage with or debate anything if you just classify anything you don't like or don't agree with as "delusional incel babble". Most men seem to be far more willing to logically argue the nitty gritty details than women are. Most women just want to coast on vibes and enjoy… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/26 05:14 PM |
| 3 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?And for many women getting along and enjoying each other's company must mean he is good, because how could she enjoy the company of a bad man? Her enjoyment if it must be proof he's not bad, and if she is wrong down the line then it must be because the man was hiding it and manipulating her, not that her judgement was mistaken. Per women dating mid men, I mean yeah, there aren't enough top 20% men to go around so women can't all get their first pick of the ideal partner. Per the femme lesbian an… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/26 05:12 PM |
| -1 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?I agree, and the constant refusal for women to acknowledge this is incredibly frustrating. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/26 05:03 PM |
| 2 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?I'm just saying, if we go by vibes and very little else, it's not really a good guide for finding good partners. Not saying men are immune to this, far from it, but men tend to acknowledge and accept this far more than men, and understand what that they find attractive may not be good. But women tend to just go "vibes", and that if he makes her feel good then he must be good, with very little understanding or desire to understand what exactly gives her good vibes. And lots of guys who don’t have… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/26 04:23 PM |
| 4 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?Haha fair enough, there is a lack of introspection, but you are right, it's because they don't WANT to know and don't want men to know either. They don't want general truths figured out or even thought much bout. Or even a lot of specific truths. Just be IN the game, not analyzing the game. Treat each woman as a unique thing to be discovered, and enjoy her contradictions--don't fucking point them out. Yep. Which is great for someone who is in the game and is the prize of the game and most of the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/26 04:10 PM |
| 2 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?We don’t lie about it. We figure it’s implied. A lie of omission is still a lie. Of course you need to find the person physically attractive enough. Why do we need to say that part? Because that's part of honest truthful discussion. If you want dishonest discussions where women imply things but never admit to them all in order to paint themselves in a better light and deflect any judgement from themselves, that's fair, but then you can't really expect men to think women are honest and truthful, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/26 04:05 PM |
| 7 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?Generally men don't pretend this isn't the case and don't lie about what they find attractive though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/26 04:00 PM |
| 7 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?To all the "it's a whole package thing" responses. Yes. We know. The thing is, men can drill down and pinpoint much of what those multiple answers in the whole package are. Women seem to be largely unaware of how their own attraction works, uninterested in finding out, and quite content to entirely and solely blame men if the man doesn't do it for her, while being completely oblivious to the fact that sometimes what we're attracted to is not in fact good. Seems to me there's a huge lack of intro… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/26 03:57 PM |
| 9 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?Yes physical attractiveness is important. It’s the first obstacle. You have to be physically attractive enough. Then your personality and character and how you interact with the world matter. Exactly. If you're a shitty but attractive man, your personality reduces your attractiveness. If you're not an attractive man, your personality doesn't matter because they won't stick around long enough to care about it. Having the right personality traits can be a “turn on.” But only after you're attractiv… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/26 03:55 PM |
| 9 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?The problem is that Jeffrey Dahmer had mad vibes, and so do most of the bad boys. EDIT: I was wrong, u/PositionStandard6089 corrected me, I meant Ted Bundy not Jeffrty Dahmer, my bad! We can also mathematically look at what correlates with vibes, and there's a very frequent correlation between vibes and height, attractiveness, status, and income. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/26 03:53 PM |
| 2 | Even men think men are the problemYeah it is, isn't it. There can still be good conversations to be had with people who reply to it, but yeah the OP is all over the place. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/07/26 01:58 PM |
| 2 | The core of our problems might be a matter of Trusthttps://ifstudies.org/blog/women-still-marry-up-but-the-income-gap-is-narrowing 2/3rds of men made more money than the woman who married him. This is not a surprise. It has been known for decades and continues to be true. Men and women marry within the same socioeconomic status generally, you don't find minimum wage women marrying billionnaire men, but within the same socioeconomic status women tend to marry men who make more money than she does. This is marrying up. You're kind of asking for pr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/07/26 04:20 AM |
| 1 | The core of our problems might be a matter of TrustHaha it's all good, enjoy your night, there's no hurry! What's your poison btw? I love me red/amber ales, wheat beers, rum, and whiskey generally, what are your faves? Important points that are helped by forming solid friendships with girls and eventually women from a young age. Absolutely I can agree with this! Would be interesting to note if your tall good looking friends had female friends when they were young too. Certainly having female friends as a kid would help young boys and young men t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/07/26 09:35 PM |
| 2 | The core of our problems might be a matter of TrustI mean to be fair, women tend to be more sociable than men in general, but also society in general is far kinder and more welcoming to women than to men. It's a lot easier to be sociable when everyone else accepts and wants your presence, as opposed to men being constantly considered with a low level of suspicion, like men are possibly violent assholes by default until and unless they prove otherwise. Western society in general also kinda emotionally starves, neglects, and emotionally cripples b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/07/26 09:14 PM |
| 2 | The core of our problems might be a matter of Trust29 to I'm assuming early 20s is not that large an age gap, I wasn't terribly worried per se, just trying to understand the dynamics. If it works and you're both happy then I am genuinely glad for you! I am curious to know how your tall fit friends struggle in dating, when you say mindset is it that like they're socially awkward or don't know how to date? Because yeah height income looks and status does not make for an automatic win, so a man can have all that and stroll struggle, but he's still … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/07/26 08:54 PM |
| 2 | The core of our problems might be a matter of TrustWell, yes, males are generally larger and stronger than females, what is your point? Yes, but you can statistically see if there is a random pairing, with some % of women marrying men shorter or poorer than them. The stats show a STRONG preference in the other direction, as in you find SIGNIFICANTLY LESS pairing with men shorter and poorer than women than you would expect to see if it was random. Source please? Most women marry within their socioeconomic class, meaning similar income and educati… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/07/26 08:43 PM |
| 2 | The core of our problems might be a matter of TrustI mean I didn't want to automatically assume she was some kind of cougar, but it seems to be heading that way? I also completely agree that a man who has nothing beyond height or income can be a terrible partner and suck at dating. It's just that men who are shorter, less attractive and have less money have significantly harder time dating than men who have those three. Looks, money, height, and status don't automatically make a man a great match, but a man lacking in those is going to be having… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/07/26 08:38 PM |
| 2 | The core of our problems might be a matter of TrustFirst off congratulations, and I hope it all goes well! I am curious to know how old you both are though I kinda assumed when you said poor college student you were in the below 25 age range, and generally most people don't become successful lawyers before that age. So I don't know if she's way older than you, or you're an older student, etc. Also, exceptions do not disprove the rule. I'm not going to tell you you can't win a lottery ticket because the odds are low, if you are a cfually holding … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/07/26 06:39 PM |
| 1 | The core of our problems might be a matter of TrustIf you're dating other poor studebts the yrah you're having the time of your life because nobody expects students to be rich, you're in a school setting where you're surrounded by women your age, and there are more women than men on campuses so you've got the upper hand. I'm glad you are having a great time, but the college campus and college age is a small fraction of the entire dating world. For what it's worth I would encourage you to find someone you'd like to marry and work to build somethi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/07/26 06:23 PM |
| 3 | The core of our problems might be a matter of TrustYes, but you can statistically see if there is a random pairing, with some % of women marrying men shorter or poorer than them. The stats show a STRONG preference in the other direction, as in you find SIGNIFICANTLY LESS pairing with men shorter and poorer than women than you would expect to see if it was random. And again, height and income have absolutely no correlation with forming romantic relationships. Women en masse just do not want shorter or poorer men. Men have shallow superficial appe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/07/26 05:54 PM |
| 2 | The core of our problems might be a matter of TrustAnd yet the vast majority of women choose to make a romantic bond with men who are stronger than her taller than her, makes more money than her, and has the same or higher education than her. None of these traits are in any way a predictor if a romantic bond. Women are just as shallow and superficial as men are. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/07/26 05:29 PM |
| 22 | Women are Not Entitled to Men's Credulity towards their "Lived Experiences" and Self-Reports Regarding Dating, Men, etc.I mean that's kinda what men face already, so you can't really "threaten" men with something that is already and currently being done to them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/07/26 07:18 AM |
| 4 | Women don’t actually need men anymore. So what incentive is left for commitment?And sex is one form of love, specifically eros. Then there's philia (love as friends), storge (love as family) , agape (selfless love), and more. Neither men nor women have a monopoly on deciding what is or isn't love, but generally actively misrepresenting what the other side is saying, or painting it in the worst light, doesn't really help people understand one another. I agree with you that a subset of men just want sex from women and that's it. There are however a ton of men who also want de… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/07/26 06:05 AM |
| 4 | Women don’t actually need men anymore. So what incentive is left for commitment?Love means a lot of different things to a lot of different people. Women don't have a monopoly on deciding what is or isn't love, and neither do men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/07/26 04:07 AM |
| 2 | Men need to display invulnerability rathert's not about not displaying "a chink in the armor." It's about not showing that the armor is fake. The problem is when you display the armor is not fake, there's a 50/50 chance you'll get dumped because she got the ick. Many women demand vulnerability, but they demand a very particular kind of vulnerability that makes her feel good about herself and good about her trust in you. Those women don't want actual real vulnerability, they want an emotional performance to make her feel safe and secure … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 11:24 PM |
| 2 | Women don’t actually need men anymore. So what incentive is left for commitment?"love and desire" =/= "wanting to have sexual access to". You're doing the exact same thing as the incel who posts that women don't love men, they just love what men can do for them and treat men like ATMs and utilities. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 11:13 PM |
| 3 | Women don’t actually need men anymore. So what incentive is left for commitment?Sorry again and thanks for understanding! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 09:26 PM |
| 3 | Women don’t actually need men anymore. So what incentive is left for commitment?Well shit, somehow my eye skipped over the "lame" word completely in the OP lol, my bad. So yeah can't blame you for using that word when OP did, sorry about that! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 09:21 PM |
| -2 | Women don’t actually need men anymore. So what incentive is left for commitment?I'm happy to hear you were raised that way, because unfortunately the way you were raised and the messages you grew up around seems to be slowly going extinct. I'm not happy about it, I don't want it to go like that, but that seems to be what is happening, that women are just inherently deserving of the best men have to offer simply for being women, and men aren't entitled to anything, not even sympathy or empathy, from women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 09:18 PM |
| 2 | Women don’t actually need men anymore. So what incentive is left for commitment?I mean I agree that men and women show love differently, but a poll in the UK finds that there are twice as many women under 30 who hate men, than there are men under 30 who hate women. Feminism has basically spent the last 50 years trying to paint men as basically psychopathic remorseless brutes. I don't think there's ever been a point where men ever said they didn't desire and want women, but there's plenty of open discourse in society about how women hate men, don't need men, don't want men, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 09:17 PM |
| 3 | Women don’t actually need men anymore. So what incentive is left for commitment?You deserve better, and you owe it to yourself to find a healthy way to be happy. I won't agree to disagree on this. You deserve to have a happy life free from hatred and free from harm. Nobody can hate their way into a happy life. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 09:14 PM |
| 1 | Men need to display invulnerability ratherI mean you're not wrong, but as a society we are currently encouraging and supporting the misandrist , while throwing under the bus the men who stand up to the misandrist. Feminism is largely first in line both supporting misandry and throwing men under the bus, and any standing up to misandry means standing up to feminism, and that never ends well for men. If you want more men to have the courage to stand up to ick women, we have to change social attitudes about it rather than expect men to jus… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 09:11 PM |
| 1 | Men need to display invulnerability ratherSo you want the man to put in a fake performance of vulnerability, without actually revealing weaknesses, so you can feel attracted to him. Do you see how asking for a performance of fake vulnerability for your benefit, and at great risk to himself, isn't really all that attractive a proposition to men? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 09:09 PM |
| 2 | Men need to display invulnerability ratherThe real problem is that women unilaterally reserve the right to decide which is which, no matter what the man says or does. Vulnerability is inherently, showing your weakness to someone. If you have no weaknesses, you can't really be vulnerable. Women demanding men show vulnerability without being weak, and then dumping men who do show their weakness to show vulnerability, is akin to asking men show scars without ever having been hurt. Well you can't get scars without getting hurt, but they'll … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 09:03 PM |
| 2 | Women don’t actually need men anymore. So what incentive is left for commitment?Could be, but I find that sad. She's unlikely to find happiness with an attitude like that, and the world is better off with more happy loving people in it, not miserable hateful people. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 09:01 PM |
| -3 | Women don’t actually need men anymore. So what incentive is left for commitment?I completely agree with you. Unfortunately it seems men love women in general much more than women love men in general. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 08:56 PM |
| 5 | Women don’t actually need men anymore. So what incentive is left for commitment?You'd be ausprised just how many women believe precisely that and expect men to value them while they don't have to do shit or go out of their way for men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 08:54 PM |
| 1 | Women don’t actually need men anymore. So what incentive is left for commitment?I mean you didn't specify who is lame, and the conversation is about men, so when you say "men are lame" and compare men to furniture, your words strongly imply you're talking about half the people on the planet. Do you care if I am sexist? Because if you don't care either way I mean that's logically fine, but I don't think it's a good world where people go "I don't care how prejudiced and bigoted other people are", generally that doesn't lead to happier societies. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 08:51 PM |
| 3 | Women don’t actually need men anymore. So what incentive is left for commitment?Well there you go, there's your problem right there. There are plenty of guys who don't hate you. They can't hate you if they don't even know you exist. It's not healthy to love with an attitude of either "everyone is shit because they all hate me" or "I deserve to be hated therefore everyone hates me." That's no way to live. You deserve better, and you owe it to yourself to find a healthy way to be happy. I don't hate you. Heck, I don't know you and even if we butted heads and had arguments on … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 08:48 PM |
| 2 | Women don’t actually need men anymore. So what incentive is left for commitment?Why are you talking to a guy who hates you when there's a million more out there who don't? If you go around specifically looking for men who hate you and try to talk to them, the problem is not that men are shit, the problem is that the men YOU pick are shit. There was a comment that perfectly encapsulates this, one sister was complaining to another about how she always attracts shitty men, the other sister replied that the first one attracts ALL men, she just picks the shitty ones. Women liter… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 08:39 PM |
| 4 | Women don’t actually need men anymore. So what incentive is left for commitment?You're reducing half the people on the planet to basically being furniture, just because of the gender they're born into. Isn't that insanely sexist? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 08:36 PM |
| 2 | Women don’t actually need men anymore. So what incentive is left for commitment?You're reducing half the people on the planet to basically being furniture, just because of the gender they're born into. Isn't that insanely sexist? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 08:36 PM |
| 0 | Women don’t actually need men anymore. So what incentive is left for commitment?Aka the bottom 80% of men? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 08:35 PM |
| 12 | Women don’t actually need men anymore. So what incentive is left for commitment?Absolutely nothing wrong with that. I sincerely wish you the best in finding a compatible guy who also wants the same with and from you, and for the two of you to live happily ever after :) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 08:34 PM |
| 1 | Women don’t actually need men anymore. So what incentive is left for commitment?Women used to rely on men to protect them, since women are physically weaker than men. We have now outsourced that to the police. Women used to earn less money that men for a variety of reasons (not saying this is good). As a society we have largely addressed and solved that problem in the West, with women earning as much (or more, in the case of younger women) as most men their age. Women used to have to make themselves attractive to the men around her to get the best partner from her area she … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 08:31 PM |
| 7 | Women don’t actually need men anymore. So what incentive is left for commitment?Women used to rely on men to protect them, since women are physically weaker than men. We have now outsourced that to the police. Women used to earn less money that men for a variety of reasons (not saying this is good). As a society we have largely addressed and solved that problem in the West, with women earning as much (or more, in the case of younger women) as most men their age. Women used to have to make themselves attractive to the men around her to get the best partner from her area she … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 08:31 PM |
| 3 | Women care about personality but only if they know you for some timeWell yes, but women also rate 80% of men as "below average" so how much of that is factually men being less attractive, and how much of that is just women plain not finding men as attractive? There's a difference. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 05:53 AM |
| 3 | Women care about personality but only if they know you for some timeThe personality generally only matters once the man passes the looks threshold though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 05:52 AM |
| 4 | A man who can effortlessly get sex is exalted. A man who desires to have sex but is unsuccessful is seen as "entitled "To be fair I meant it more that 95% of women DON'T think it is entitledment if she wants men to pay for at least the first date. It's less than 90% of women around me who expect men to pay, maybe closer to 60% or so. I'm in a more liberal city thankfully, but even most liberal women still have many patriarchal expectations towards men, while not wanting any patriarchal expectations on themselves. My problem is more just the inability to even get any matches or dates at all in the first place, bu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 02:57 AM |
| 2 | A man who can effortlessly get sex is exalted. A man who desires to have sex but is unsuccessful is seen as "entitled "No many people date in order to get to know someone that they feel they can care about and want to know better. Many people date because they are looking for a life partner. And they all want to have sex with their life partner eventually, so women DO want sex too, just not as early and/or not as much as men. And no it is not equal, men want women more than women want men. Sorry if that hurts some feelings but it is true. The current stats out say that by the year 2030 45 plus percent of women b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 02:05 AM |
| 3 | Even men think men are the problemNo one things bad women don'T exist, but feminism has spent a century painting women as the innocent oppressed victims who couldn't possibly harm men. Hell, there are feminists in this very subreddit who believe it is litearlly impossible for men to be raped by women. It's not that people think bad women don't exist, it's that people think bad women make up less than 10% of all bad people, instead of women being actually equal to men and being equally as bad as men. But women are by every object… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 01:15 AM |
| 1 | Common media constantly tries to conflate men as a group with their worst denominators to try to impose collective guilt.This is the Office for National Statistics in the UK, right? Because in the UK it is legally impossible for women to rape men. So there's that. 87% of perpetrators against male victims are male. This also from the ONS? Because in the US they have something similar with the CDC where if a woman forces a man to have sex that's rape, but if a woman forces a man to have sex that's called "made to penetrate" and is specifically and deliberately excluded from rape statistics. So of course when you del… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 01:09 AM |
| 7 | A man who can effortlessly get sex is exalted. A man who desires to have sex but is unsuccessful is seen as "entitled "I'm glad we agree The problem is now we have to convince the other 95% of women as well. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 12:31 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Men going Dutch via alternating is better than going Dutch via people paying 50% or for themselves, because it usually has plausible deniability that it's just trad if it's cut off at the first dateYou mean like how women demand men pay for her on first dates? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/07/26 05:51 PM |
| -2 | Common media constantly tries to conflate men as a group with their worst denominators to try to impose collective guilt.I'd take the rape culture thing more seriously if rape culture didn't try to constantly and consistently erase the lawyers that near half of all rape victims are men. I'm all for addressing rape culture and sexual assault, but pretending like it only ever affects women and that women couldn't possibly rape men at similar levels helps nobody. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/07/26 03:28 PM |
| 1 | Even men think men are the problemNot sure if you're talking about my reply or about sodacube's post | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/07/26 02:31 PM |
| 1 | What do you think about this quote from Bell Hooks?I mean, the extreme prejudice problem has been ongoing for the last 50+ years, soooo..... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/07/26 04:29 AM |
| 2 | Even men think men are the problemNo yeah absolutely true, there's conflating "sexual assault" like catcalling and saying it's equivalent to rape to insanely inflate numbers, and a bunch of other semantic games and bad statistics, completely agree with you. Thanks for adding more info! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/07/26 02:35 AM |
| 1 | I wish the feminists would at least be open about hating us rather than resorting to all of the denialism and victim blamingAnd in this conversation I'm not telling you I'm imagining things that never happened, I'm telling you directly of talks and discussions I've had with feminists, and it was interacting with feminists that has turned me away from feminism, not the red pill. | /r/MensRights | 27/07/26 02:34 AM |
| 6 | Even men think men are the problemMen’s desire to make women seem as violent, rapey, and dangerous as them in insane Men do not desire to make women SEEM as violent, rapey, and dangerous as men. Men simply desire that we do recognize when some women are in fact violent, rapey, and dangerous, and to stop pretending like women are innocent angels who can do no wrong. If we want true equality, then that means women are just as good, just as violent, just as smart, just as evil, just as kind, and just as abusive as men. Welcome to e… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/07/26 02:24 AM |
| 3 | A man who can effortlessly get sex is exalted. A man who desires to have sex but is unsuccessful is seen as "entitled ""Entitlement: belief that one is deserving of or entitled to certain privileges" Is it not a privilege to not have to pay for food? Entitlement is about the attitude, not about whether or not other people comply with the entitled person's attitude. People need to get over the idea that they have a right to dictate how others choose to live their lives. Totally fair, but do women want equality, or do they want special privileges? Because equality means women are not in fact entitled to have their… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 02:15 PM |
| 1 | Even men think men are the problemAaah gotcha thanks! The other person might not see it though, might be good to reply to them instead of me, but thanks! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 05:20 AM |
| 3 | Even men think men are the problemOh I agree that it is wishful thinking, unfortunately. Things need to change, and if we want them to change we have to fight for it. I'm looking forward to seeing how the feminist discourse will change when people start hitting back and more and more female rapists start being convicted. I wonder if feminism will remain on its gung-ho crusader attitude when women start being on the receiving end of that. That won't happen until and unless we fight to change the laws however, which means it's jus… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 04:58 AM |
| 1 | Even men think men are the problemI'm not sure why you're replying to me? I don't really disagree with the points you made, but they don't have much of anything to do with the points I made? Per rape vs made to penetrate in crime reports that is very true, the problem is that men are significantly less likely to recognize they have been raped, significantly less likely to report rape, and significantly less likely to be believed about being raped, than women. So official rape statistics, which the definition of varies state by s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 04:08 AM |
| 2 | Even men think men are the problemThat's not quite how that works. If 66% of rapists account for 90% of rapes, then that means that for every 100 rapes, 90 of those will come from the same 66 rapists. So out of 100 rapes we could estimate say 76 rapists, or about 3/4 as many rapists as there are rape victims. So if there are 20% of women who have experienced completed or attempted rape, out of 175 million women in the USA, then that's 35 million women raped in total. So if there are 3/4 as many rapists as there are rapes, that w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 03:46 AM |
| 2 | Even men think men are the problemRight, so you have a one-track mind and you are obsessed with only ever portraying men as violent, rapey, dishonest, and dangerous. I mean this sincerely and with the kindest of intentions, please do go speak to a therapist about that. It's not healthy to hold onto that level of negative feelings. That being said as well, I completely agree with you that victim blaming is wrong and as a society we need to do more to address it. Nobody should get raped ever, and everyone who rapes someone else ne… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 03:35 AM |
| 3 | A man who can effortlessly get sex is exalted. A man who desires to have sex but is unsuccessful is seen as "entitled "The only reason that men here harp on this is because most of them are only dating to try and get sex. I mean, yes? Do you know a lot of people who go dating and DON'T want to have any sex, ever? Generally we'd call those people asexual and they're a tiny minority of everyone. The vast majority of people who date, want to have sex, men and women both. So if he pays and she doesn't put out then they see that as lost money. Which is only a problem if he is expected to pay every time, over and over… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 03:32 AM |
| 1 | Even men think men are the problemI didn't mean to imply that you said all men are rapists, sorry, it was more about "if we treat all men like all men are all potential rapists, that causes problems". So clearly, the solution is not to treat all men like they're all potentially murderers or rapists, and we have to specifically target the rare few men who are rapists and murderers, and leave the vast majority of innocent men alone. so after a year passes a rapist suddenly isn’t a rapist anymore? why are you using per year numbers… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 03:26 AM |
| 2 | Even men think men are the problemThey are absolutely a class, a class is simply a classification of people. Ok fair it's a class, but it's attributing to an entire class of people traits that have very little to do with the actual class. It's like if I said that most murderers are right-handed, therefore we should treat all right handed people like potential murderers. There is no statistical causation between being right-handed and murder, and drawing such an inappropriate correlation causes far more harm than good. for exampl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 03:26 AM |
| 3 | Even men think men are the problemAgain, you're painting it all about men being perpetrators, men being violent, rapey, dishonest, and dangerous, and completely ignoring and dismissing the fact that 1) the vast majority of men are NOT like that, and 2) half the domestic abuse victims and near half the rape victims are men, at the hands of female perpetrators. Now I can't stop you from having a bigoted and sexist perspective where you blame the vast majority of innocent people in a group for the actions of a small minority of peo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 03:09 AM |
| 1 | Even men think men are the problemAI is not a source, I can't go look into your picture to see where that data comes from. If you ask AI how many women rape men in the UK it will likely tell you 0, because it is legally impossible for women to rape men in the UK. That doesn't mean there are no women who have ever raped men in the UK though, now does it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 03:01 AM |
| 3 | A man who can effortlessly get sex is exalted. A man who desires to have sex but is unsuccessful is seen as "entitled "if somebody WANTS to give something to you/do something with you then you’re not exactly entitled? Or, you can be entitled, and the person feels pressured into giving the thing anyways. It doesn't make the one person less entitled, it just means the other person was pressured into going along with the entitlement. entitlement usually refers to wanting special treatment or thinking you deserve something you don’t deserve See, I agree! Therefore this has nothing to do with a person's attractivenes… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 03:00 AM |
| 1 | A man who can effortlessly get sex is exalted. A man who desires to have sex but is unsuccessful is seen as "entitled "if whatever woman he’s asking wants to have sex with him then not really? Ah so it's not about how attractive he is, it's about whether the other person says yes. So when women ask for something and men say no, then she's entitled, regardless of how attractive she is. why are you acting as if i’m the one who invented looks biases ? i’m just describing how it is The thing is, you're conflating looks biases with entitlement. The former is a bias, the latter is a belief that one is deserving of or … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 02:32 AM |
| 1 | Even men think men are the problembut YOU are the one who said the vast overwhelming majority of men aren’t a threat, so why can’t you define threat? I can easily define it if you want. Let's go with murder. The overwhelming majority of men have not and will never murder women. Boom, men aren't a threat to women. A tiny minority of murderous men are a threat to women, but then the threat is murderers, not men. Because if we treat all men like they're all potential murderers, then we're going to have a ton of false positives and … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 02:26 AM |
| 1 | A man who can effortlessly get sex is exalted. A man who desires to have sex but is unsuccessful is seen as "entitled "you asked if women are entitled when they asked to be paid for. so i told you they’re called entitled if they aren’t considered good looking enough So if men demand to have sex with women, but those men are good looking enough, then they're not entitled? It's a strange metric, to judge the actions of a person not by their virtue, their morals, or their consequences, but based solely on how attractive the person committing those actions is. I don't think I'd want to live in a society like that. S… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 02:11 AM |
| 2 | Even men think men are the problemAnd the truth you are inserting is a very carefully polished truth that constantly and exclusively paints all men as abusers and perpetrators, while erasing both innocent men, and erasing that men can be and are half the domestic abuse victims. Because you don't care about any of that, you only care about solely and exclusively painting men as violent abusive murderers. That is why people fear them and not women Should people fear Muslims because Muslims are suicide bombers? Or should we recogni… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 02:08 AM |
| 1 | I wish the feminists would at least be open about hating us rather than resorting to all of the denialism and victim blamingWhat do you mean no one is doing that? I've had those conversations and I have seen it happen directly. Do you not trust my lived experiences? | /r/MensRights | 26/07/26 02:06 AM |
| 5 | Even men think men are the problemA tiny minority of men, is still many more men then women, so when we break down populations, a correct statement is "men as a class hold more power then women I agree, but see the problem is men aren't a class, any more than "blue-eyed people are a class" or "black-haired people are a class". You can't just group people together willy-nilly according to a feature and just assume that because something is true of some members of people in that "class", it must be true of all members of that clas… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 02:05 AM |
| 5 | Even men think men are the problemOhey thanks for asking, I went looking and actually found one from 2024! https://www.researchgate.net/publication/386189016_Bidirectional_and_Unidirectional_Intimate_Partner_Violence_A_Comprehensive_Review "Our review indicates that bidirectional violence remains prevalent among all sample types. The average amount of reported IPV that was bidirectional in nature was 52.8% (ranging from 44.8% among middle or high school students to almost 60% among clinical and university student samples). Our f… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 01:27 AM |
| 3 | Even men think men are the problemMen own 80% of the wealth in the world and hold 80-85% of elected or promoted positions of power both politically and in corporate settings globally. Not quite. A tiny minority of men own wealth and elected positions. Elon musk being a billionnaire does not in any way shape or form help the 80% of homeless people who are men. You treat men like men are a class who all look after one another, help one another, and benefit one another, but that is not how it works. Men are not a class. Men holding… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 01:04 AM |
| 1 | I wish the feminists would at least be open about hating us rather than resorting to all of the denialism and victim blamingI don't know what you're trying to say, but again, the conclusions I have come to, I have come to as a result of talking with feminists and seeing how they act vs what they say. I don't like red pill spaces or echo chamber spaces. I want to have discussions where I am challenged and forced to think about the issues. But every time I try and challenge feminists I get with basically a flat out denial that half the men could be domestic abuse victims, the conversations get shut down, and you get ba… | /r/MensRights | 25/07/26 10:31 PM |
| 3 | Even men think men are the problemAnd yet in a conversation about how men are half the rape victims and half the domestic abuse victims, you constantly and continually try and bring the point exclusively to how those who face the most severe harm and most often are murdered are women, and constantly try and bring the conversation away from male victims. Sounds like denial and erasure to me. Do you acknowledge that men are near half of all rape victims and half of all domestic abuse victims? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 10:29 PM |
| 0 | A man who can effortlessly get sex is exalted. A man who desires to have sex but is unsuccessful is seen as "entitled "men are not victims in terms of the way they get treated differently based on looks. you guys do the same shit to women So if men are not victims because they get treated differently due to the way they look, neither are women victims them. Why asre you saying men aren'T victims? Is it just that men cannot be victims, simply because they're born into the wrong gender? The half of all victims of domestic abuse who are men, are not victims, because they're men? The near half of all rape victims wh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 10:28 PM |
| 1 | Even men think men are the problemSources are kinda pointless until we define "threat". So what kind of threat exactly are we looking for, to find sources specific to that threat? why are you asking me what’s considered a threat when you are the one who said “the vast overwhelming majority of men are not a threat to women” ? Because they aren't. 80% of men will never rape, abuse, murder, or assault women. Why are you blaming the vast majority of innocent men for the crimes of a tiny minority? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 10:25 PM |
| 2 | Even men think men are the problemwomen get blamed for stuff a minority of women do all the time And so do men, but for some reason it's seen as a problem and wrong when done to women, but totally fine and acceptable when done to men. can you give any data showing that the amount of men who are a threat to women is as small as you think it is? I mean first we'd have to define what we mean by "threat" exactly. We can look at murder statistics to see how many women get murdered. Are we talking more threat as in sexual assault? Dom… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 07:18 PM |
| 5 | Even men think men are the problemI never said women are as strong and deadly as men, and women don't need to be as strong and deadly as men to commit half of all domestic abuse. Maybe women should fear women more, because the highest rates of domestic abuse happen in lesbian couples while the lowest rate happens in gay couples. Either way, fear is irrelevant when we are talking facts, and the facts are that yes, the small minority of DV incidents that result in serious harm and death is largely male on female, and the facts are… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 07:12 PM |
| 2 | Even men think men are the problemA comparison is erasure or denial when you're focusing on the less than 5% of men who murder women, specifically in order to detract the conversation and turn it away from the fact that 50% of abusers are women who abuse men. I'm not pretending like a beat down from a man and a slap from a woman is equivalent, you're pretending like a man murdering his partner means the woman abusing a man doesn't matter and is irrelevant. By all means we should talk about the less than 5% of domestic abuse case… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 07:10 PM |
| 2 | Even men think men are the problemWomen who are caution or afraid of men don't need to talk about men who are abused at the same time, but the point is relevant when it's a talk about domestic abuse victims, because men are half the domestic abuse victims. As for "Whether you feel like you're being blamed or not doesn't change the fact you ARE being blamed when people say stuff like men rape women or men abuse women", you're just asserting something without backing it up at all. If I say "Germans are responsible for the holocaus… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 07:07 PM |
| -2 | A man who can effortlessly get sex is exalted. A man who desires to have sex but is unsuccessful is seen as "entitled "When you say men aren't victims, are you referring to men in dating circles? Or are you saying that the half of all victims of domestic abuse who are male, and the almost half of all rape victims who are male, are not victims at all? If we're talking within a dating context, it's also really inappropriate to pick the behaviour of some of the worst men, and then use that as a basis to judge all men. Some men act the way you say they do, but they're not the majority, so why should the innocent maj… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 06:51 PM |
| 3 | Even men think men are the problemBut you want to erase and dismiss the fact that men are half the domestic abuse victims. How are half the domestic abuse victims who are male, supposed to get help and support, if the male half of all domestic abuse victims gets dismissed and ignored? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 06:31 PM |
| 13 | Even men think men are the problemComparisons are erasure when the point is to erase the male victims and focus solely and exclusively on female victims. Next time, start by acknowledging that men are half the domestic abuse victims and that women are half the domestic abusers. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 06:30 PM |
| 3 | A man who can effortlessly get sex is exalted. A man who desires to have sex but is unsuccessful is seen as "entitled "I don't go spying on people's profiles, I just let them come as they are and interact with me based on what they say. Completely agree with you on the entitled hypocritical shrodinger's feminists in the US (And Canada, I'm up here). I hear feminists are much less insane in Europe generally, though there are still pockets where they're trying hard to one-up the American ones. Australia also has its own brand of crazy feminists, but I'm not going to blame all feminists for the actions of any one o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 06:29 PM |
| 10 | Even men think men are the problemThank you. I very much appreciate the honesty. I am not saying women don't face issues, women do and they do deserve help. It'S just that men face serious issues too and men also deserve the same help that women would get. It just infuriates me so much that feminism works so hard to dismiss, invalidate, and ignore all the male victims, because it doesn't fit the feminist narrative of male violent oppressors and female innocent oppressed victims. ALL victims deserve help, regardless of their gend… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 06:12 PM |
| 5 | Even men think men are the problemDoes it mean if a man gets abused, he should be denied help and resources just because he's the wrong gender? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 06:09 PM |
| 15 | Even men think men are the problemSeverity of violence and frequency of murder doesn't change the fact half the domestic abuse victims are men, that half the domestic abuse is reciprocal, and that 75% of unidirectional domestic abuse is female on male violence. Obsessing over the less than 5% of cases where DV leads to murder doesn't change the metrics, it just means you're willing to ignore half the domestic abuse victims because it doesn't fit the narrative you want to see where women are always the mosetest oppressedest victi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 06:09 PM |
| 8 | Even men think men are the problemHaha thanks, I try. I have a folder with bookmarks on my browser, it's got 300+ citations like this in it. It really infuriates me because feminism funds studies to account precisely for the most obscure and least impactful ways that women are being oppressed by men, but when men are LITEARLLY HALF THE DOMESTIC ABUSE VICTIMS AS TRACKED BY DOZENS OF STUDIES IN THE LAST FEW DECADES all of a sudden feminism doesn't care and can't be bothered to recognize any of that. So I'm forced to do feminists' … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 06:07 PM |
| 18 | Even men think men are the problemOverwhelmingly, women. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4062022/ "For example, in 2011 the CDC reported results from the National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey (NISVS), one of the most comprehensive surveys of sexual victimization conducted in the United States to date. The survey found that men and women had a similar prevalence of nonconsensual sex in the previous 12 months (1.270 million women and 1.267 million men).5 This remarkable finding challenges stereotypical assu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 05:17 PM |
| 15 | Even men think men are the problemThat isn't saying men cant be hurt by women, just that on average it happens to women from men a lot more than the other way around. Except that men are half the DV victims and near half the rape vcictims. It'S not that it happens a lot more that men hurt women than the other way around. It's that as a society we only pay attention when men harm women, and actively dismiss and discount when women harm men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 04:55 PM |
| 4 | Even men think men are the problemGot to say man, I've never felt like I'm being blamed or held accountable for the bad men (except on rare occasions, but those are specific instances and not a larger pattern). Whether you feel like you're being blamed or not doesn't change the fact you ARE being blamed when people say stuff like men rape women or men abuse women. That it does not affect you does not mean it won't affect others, and you not being affected is not a reason to let that kind of bigoted language go unchallenged. The … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 04:54 PM |
| 6 | A man who can effortlessly get sex is exalted. A man who desires to have sex but is unsuccessful is seen as "entitled "I'm glad we agree. Now if only society could actually recognize and call out entitlement from women, instead of completely ignoring it, and blaming everything men might do or want as entitlement, even if it's not entitlement at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 04:36 PM |
| 7 | A man who can effortlessly get sex is exalted. A man who desires to have sex but is unsuccessful is seen as "entitled "And that's the way it should be! But unfortunately in N America you are part of the minority of women who think like this it seems. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 04:36 PM |
| 8 | A man who can effortlessly get sex is exalted. A man who desires to have sex but is unsuccessful is seen as "entitled "They want this from all men, whether the man wants to or not, and justify it by saying "whoever asks the other one out should pay". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 04:22 PM |
| 21 | A man who can effortlessly get sex is exalted. A man who desires to have sex but is unsuccessful is seen as "entitled "Are women entitled because they want men to pay for dates? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 04:14 PM |
| 16 | Even men think men are the problemAlso important to note that the vast overwhelming majority of men are not a threat to women. It's a small minority of men causing the vast majority of the damage, but for some reason all men catch flack for that and are held responsible for something they didn't do. As a society we recognize it's wrong to judge an entire group of people by the worst few examples among that group. It's wrong to blame all people of a certain race, religion, or sexual identity, according to the worst few members of… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 04:09 PM |
| – | It is not true that consenting homemakers are considered "valid" by feminism.If men really wanted to be stay at home dads and saw it as a privilege, they would be trying like hell to make that happen. The problem is that there are far more men willing to be stay at home dads, than there are women willing to support stay at home dads. You're kinda missing half the picture here. No, they have always left that to women because they know in most cases it’s a bad deal. Then why are there more men willing to be stay at home dads than there are women willing to support them? If… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 04:06 PM |
| 2 | I wish the feminists would at least be open about hating us rather than resorting to all of the denialism and victim blamingHappy cake day! And per everything that is said, that's the thing. I pay attention to what is said, but I also pay attention to what is done. If I call myself a pacifist, but I punch in the mouth anyone who disagrees with me, will you believe my words or my actions? Because while the words of feminism are good, as the saying goes, talk is cheap, and you have to put your money where your mouth is. And over and over and over again, as much as feminism talks about equality, in practice feminism tre… | /r/MensRights | 24/07/26 04:01 PM |
| 1 | What do you think women bring to the table and what do you want them to add?Meanwhile many women basically want slaves that voluntarily enslave themselves for her benefit, and this they call empowerment. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 08:32 PM |
| 2 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:And one mentally deranged man with a gun does not a mass shooting crisis make either. I don’t think any of this is leading male victims to be taken less seriously as much as men’s advocates refusing to do anything aside from spending all their time on the internet. I mean male advocates would love to do more but male advocates get constantly blocked, opposed, and dismissed by feminists, in the exact same way you are doing to every single male issue I have raised. The message is always and foreve… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 07:55 PM |
| 3 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:And yet, whether men care or not, when feminism constantly attacks men, increases hostility against men, devalues men, and vilifies men, it does make men's lives worse. Whether or not men care, the fact feminism constantly and consistently erases the fact that men are half the domestic abuse victims and near half the rape victims, means that half of all rape and abuse victims don't get the help they need simply because they're the wrong gender. And you don't see anything wrong with that? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 07:53 PM |
| 1 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:Aah gotcha, I can kinda agree but I don't think I'd call that a death cult, it makes it sound much more murder-y or suicide related. Misandrist anti male anti family cult? Sure. Death cult? Not so much. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 07:03 PM |
| 3 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:I will say what I want but it's difficult to have a coversation with someone who apparently chooses the most dishonest interpretation every time. Job loss deaths of despair and guns are killing men, and memes that dehumanize men and vilify men are making it worse. If we can recognize it's a problem when men make problems worse for women, why do you so constantly and consistently refuse to acknowledge that women and feminists can also make problems worse for men? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 07:02 PM |
| 2 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:No because they’re not about male victims. They’re male perpetrators. Right, because according to feminism men can't be victims anywhere near the scale women are, and men must always be perpetrators. Do you not realize that constantly erasing male victims, and constantly putting the focus on male perpetrators, would cause issues? If anything dehumanizes male victims it’s rape jokes at their expense and jokes about them not being able to defend themselves against a woman. These are mostly jokes m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 07:00 PM |
| 1 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:I mostly agree, except for the death cult bit. I don't know what you mean by that, can you expand on that a bit? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 06:24 PM |
| 2 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:I do y think mêmes are causing harm. I also don't think notallmenbutalwaysaman is just a meme. I think it's a misandrist tool to blame men and act like all men are guilty and at fault, simply because they are men. You don’t think women are going to kill all men. So what? I think that the mêmes dehumanizing men and saying that in essence men deserve to die, leads to increased harm done to men and a complete lack of care for male victims because then people think men deserved being hurt or killed,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 06:23 PM |
| 3 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:You're right, it's not unrelated, feminism criticizing and demonizing men is directly linked to male suicide and male disposability. The manosphere fuels mass shootings. That’s the difference. The manosphere fuels mass shootings as much as feminism fuels male suicide. I'm it saying they should be censored, I'm saying if they use free speech to be hateful and hypocritical, then they better be ready to he called out for being hateful and hypocritial. Ironically enough feminism is all about free sp… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 06:17 PM |
| 1 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:Why does feminism treat memeing about women as though it is patriarchal and sexist and oppressive though? Isn't that a big double standard? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 06:13 PM |
| 1 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:The difference is when men meme, they're not doing it from a position of claiming to be all about gender equality. I'm not offended by free speech, I'm offended by the double standards, hypocrisy, and lack of intellectual integrity. I'm not saying it's bad because a woman is doing it, I'm saying it's bad when a feminist says it's bad when men do things that go against gender equality, and then feminist themselves turn around and do the exact same thing, posting memes and messages that go against… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 06:05 PM |
| 3 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:You're the one who brought up mass shootings first. Why are you allowed to bring up random unrelated problems but I'm not? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 05:59 PM |
| 2 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:Someone saying mean things on the internet does not make you a victim. And the fact that you need to pretend trust it does just goes to show how frivolous internet “men’s issues” are. Ironic that men doing rape jokes on the internet and saying mean things on the internet is taken as a sign of patriarchy and how men are the problem, but when women and feminists do it it's totally fine and men just need to man up and stop bitching. Gotta love those double standards. No. You don’t think it is. You … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 05:57 PM |
| 4 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:What about the fact men are 80% of suicide victims, half the domestic abuse victims, and near half the rape victims? Does none of that matter? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 05:45 PM |
| 5 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:If you don't critically evaluate feminism how can you know if it is good or if it made a mistake? And if you don't critically evaluate feminism, then you can't know who is understanding or misunderstanding it. It's basically taking a faith based approach of "I know feminism is right and everyone saying otherwise is wrong, because I just believe it." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 04:08 PM |
| 5 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:You appear to use critical thinking against anyone who is critical of feminism, and then turn around and throw critical thinking out the window when you yourself have to critically evaluate feminism. You're not calling out people who aren't using critical thinking, you're calling out people who criticize feminism while you yourself completely refuse to critically examine feminism. Huge double standard. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 04:01 PM |
| 2 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:No, I'm saying it IS a cause for concern, but you don't care about men and men's issues and you think your own personal feelings should be taken more seriously and be considered more important than the issues men face. It's called psychological projection. You don't give a damn about men, so you think that I must think the same and I must not give a damn about women. Sorry, but I actually care about all victims, not just those of my own gender and I also care about moral and intellectual integri… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 03:59 PM |
| 4 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:They're issues when it happens to women and memes when it happens to men. Gotta love the double standards. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 03:57 PM |
| 3 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:Sorry, but it's not hypocritical to go after feminists by pointing out how feminism itself is being hyoocritical. I'm not saying it because I'm personally offended, I'm pointing out how hypocritical and intellectually bankrupt feminism is. It's not about my personal feelings, it's about the moral and intellectual failure of feminism as a movement. If feminism is morally and intellectually bankrupt we either need to stop listening to it, or feminism needs to do better. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 03:55 PM |
| 3 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:You don't get to just use context as a get out of jail free card whenever you want, and decide others can't do the same. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 03:53 PM |
| 4 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:It's funny that the two choices are either that feminists can say whatever they want and it must never be interpreted in a bad light while they can take the worst interpretation of whatever anyone else is saying, or we need to end all meme culture. Funny that the choices are either double standards in favour of feminism, or shut up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 01:42 PM |
| 4 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:Are you seriously falling back on shaming men and implying men are weak and afraid, using dishonest emotional manipulation tactics instead of making proper arguments like a mature adult? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 01:41 PM |
| 4 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:"Feminism is for men too!" "Yeah no we don't give a damn about any of the issues men face, women's problems are always the priority". Gotta love that trickle down equality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 01:39 PM |
| 3 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:Ok cool, I've seen the context and nuance of feminists using notallmenbutalwaysaman as a slogan. Now what? Feminism isn't some thing with a clear leader. What one feminist does isn't a representation of all feminists. I agree. But when a ton of feminists all come out with the exact same kind of abhorrent misandrist nonsense like this, and none of the other feminists disagree with them or call them out on it, that's a problem. If feminism isn't condemning the blatant misandry, it is condoning it.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 06:41 AM |
| 3 | I'm starting to think men don't consider women they're not attracted to to be womenI mean, you're not wrong, but it's largely because women seem to feel entitled to commitment from men, without them having to work particularly hard to deserve commitment. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 05:54 AM |
| 1 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:Right, but who gets to decide what is and isn't the appropriate context? After all you say #notallmenbutalwaysaman is in the context of a joke not meant to be taken seriously. I say the context is having seen and heard feminists directly and actively use it to support their arguments. So who gets to decide which is the appropriate context? I'd consider a slogan of the Me Too Movement. Which isn't feminism either. Potayto potahto. It's a distinction without a difference. Feminism isn't some nebul… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 05:44 AM |
| 2 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:Oh cool so I guess #believewomen is not a feminist slogan either and we don't need to take it seriously. Nobody likes it when someone says something offensive on purpose, then tries to pass it off as a harmless joke if people don't like it. This is what feminism has become, the equivalent of a frat bro making offensive remarks and then going "its just a prank bro don't take it seriously". And then feminism wonders why men don't take it seriously. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 05:32 AM |
| 7 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:They're just sarcastic comments and jokes. Stop taking rape jokes so damn literally. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 05:29 AM |
| 2 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:We'd love to, as soon as feminism stops using those slogans so pervasively and starts actually taking a stand against them, instead of encouraging them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 04:15 AM |
| 1 | Why don't men speak up more about male rights?Fam, I literally have only heard of men being dismissed by men FROM MEN THEMSELVES. Ok cool but the plural of anecdote is not data. I've never seen racism with my own two eyes, does it mean racism doesn'T exist? I’ve had male victims tell me that they don’t feel safe confiding in OTHER MEN. I did not hear this from women, but from MEN. Yeah, this is indeed a problem. Men as a group are so traumatized, so emotionally neglected, and have received so little empathy, help, or support, that they cann… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 11:43 PM |
| 3 | Why don't men speak up more about male rights?Fam, everyone including feminists shouldn’t downplay the abuse men face. And yet, many feminists do, just like you do here and you did in the other reply. So what do you think happens when fighting for men's issues means fighting against feminism? That doesn’t require attacking feminism at its core unless that’s just a cover for you to the feminism. And yet feminism at its core constantly attacks men and constantly and consistently erases and dismisses male victims of rape and domestic abuse. So… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 11:10 PM |
| 5 | Why don't men speak up more about male rights?Ok, and what do you have to say to men that belittle and mock male survivors of SA and rape? We say that these men are victims of a system that tells them that they are inherently worthless and valueless until and unless they get to have sex with women, which is why they mock male survivors of SA and rape because they're saying essentially "why are you complaining about gaining value/prestige". But these men are VICTIMS of a system that devalues men. And feminism and feminists, every single time… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 10:57 PM |
| 5 | Why don't men speak up more about male rights?It's fighting against feminism because every time men try to talk about men's issues, feminism fights back, and tries to dismiss, invalidate, deny, or erase the issues men face. Feminism started the Duluth movement and actively opposes recognition that men are half the domestic abuse victims. Feminists like Mary Koss instructed the CDC to specifically and deliberately erase male rape victims of female rapists from rape statistics. Those people should be called out, but they don't, they get defen… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 07:29 PM |
| 7 | Why don't men speak up more about male rights?I do not. And yet every time men fight for men's issues, feminists are first in line to dismiss and invalidate male victims and men's issues. So what do you think happens when fighting for men's issues means fighting against feminism? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 05:49 PM |
| 2 | Why don't men speak up more about male rights?Remember that if one of your male relatives gets raped or abused, he doesn't deserve help, support or empathy from you because men are violent and he's a man. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 05:23 PM |
| 7 | Why don't men speak up more about male rights?The problem is men inflict more damage. You can't argue this. It's not like there's hidden male murder victims and secret female killers. That's too cospiracy. So because less than 10% of men cause damage, the other innocent men who are raped and abused don't deserve any help or support? Is that really the argument you want to be making? Thank you for proving my point for me, that you don't give a damn about male victims. Remember that if one of your male relatives gets raped or abused, he doesn… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 03:48 PM |
| 7 | Why don't men speak up more about male rights?You say this, and yet it is feminism that consistently and constantly downplay men's issues and male victims of rape and domestic abuse. In theory you are completely correct, in practice it is the complete opposite Every single time I bring up data about how men are half the domestic abuse victims and near half the rape victims, feminists have basically alway reacted by dismissing, invalidating, or trying to poke holes in the data. Virtually none of them care that there could be a HUGE amount of… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 03:37 PM |
| 5 | Why don't men speak up more about male rights?You say this, and yet it is feminism that consistently and constantly downplay men's issues and male victims of rape and domestic abuse. In theory you are completely correct, in practice it is the complete opposite but what usually happens is that many men's rights activists are misogynists who take the opportunity to shit on women, and then act like victims. And yet every single time data comes up showing men are half the domestic abuse victims and near half of all rape victims, feminists are t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 03:10 PM |
| 9 | Why don't men speak up more about male rights?What do you think happens when fighting for men's issues means fighting against feminism? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 06:22 AM |
| 4 | Why don't men speak up more about male rights?when people say "fight for social issues" it means exactly that. You speak up, people don't like it, and you instead of acting offended you fight back until you convince everyone you are right. What do you think happens when fighting for men's issues means fighting against feminism? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 06:22 AM |
| 1 | There are similar patterns in men anticipating sex, and women anticipating commitmentI agree, but for some reason as a society we seem to think that women are entitled to getting the outcomes they desire, while men get told nobody gives a fuck about their desired outcomes and they're entitled misogynistic pieces of shit if they dare ask for anything. There's a bit of a double standard going on in society. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 06:16 AM |
| 8 | Women Sometimes Do Bad and Anti-Social Things towards Men and Boys. This is a Radical Idea to Women Here.Unfortunately it is a radical idea to the majority of women here. I am happy to see you are the exception, but you are the exception. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/26 02:22 PM |
| 7 | Women Sometimes Do Bad and Anti-Social Things towards Men and Boys. This is a Radical Idea to Women Here.Given the definition of radical feminism is believing in the patriarchy and that 90%+ of feminists believe the patriarchy exists and needs to be fought against, it's a distinction without a difference. The 10% of feminists who don't believe in the patriarchy are a tiny and powerless exception. The feminism that is in power, that affects social programs, politics, and public health measures, is radical feminism. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/26 04:37 AM |
| 3 | Women Sometimes Do Bad and Anti-Social Things towards Men and Boys. This is a Radical Idea to Women Here.Women are definitely capable of being psycho and crazy too. Would be nice if this was acknowledged instead of constantly dismissed, ignored, and that anyone who points it out gets called a misogynistic woman hating incel. The issue is, that men do the vast majority of violent crimes. It would also be nice if they could acknowledge that the overwhelming majority of men have not, do not, and would not ever commit violent crimes, and that they are blaming the vast majority of innocent men for the a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/26 03:51 AM |
| 6 | Women Sometimes Do Bad and Anti-Social Things towards Men and Boys. This is a Radical Idea to Women Here.There are feminists in this very sub who think it's impossible for women to rape men. And they don't get called out by the other women and feminists. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/26 03:33 AM |
| 3 | Women Sometimes Do Bad and Anti-Social Things towards Men and Boys. This is a Radical Idea to Women Here.I don’t stay friends with a woman who puts down men as a whole. It’s about being a human being. You do realize feminism puts down men as a whole constantly and treats men as basically subhuman, right? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/26 03:32 AM |
| 13 | Women Sometimes Do Bad and Anti-Social Things towards Men and Boys. This is a Radical Idea to Women Here.Please speak up on behalf of the boys, because nobody will listen to either the boys or the men. Thank you for caring and treating boys with basic human dignity. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/26 03:29 AM |
| 2 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.Course it doesn't matter. Because you don't like the numbers. And the only numbers you like, are the numbers that dismiss, ignore, and invalidate male domestic abuse victims. The problem is not that I want to believe it. The problem is you refuse to believe anything you don't want to. You can bring a horse to water but you can't make it drink. I believe this may be the last time I'll interact with you because I see it'S simply pointless to try and discuss with you something you absolutely refuse… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 09:05 PM |
| 2 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.And while some articles on researchgate might be false, not ALL of them are. That's why we can look into the citations, the data, and the methodology to see where they got their data from, how they evaluated it, and how they came to the conclusions they came to. Instead you dismiss it as fake, corrupted, and a product of misogynistic woman-hating incels, just because you don't like the conclusion the paper comes to. If men don’t report it, you can’t push imagery numbers. That's not how any of th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 08:40 PM |
| 2 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.No dude, it’s fake because it’s a corrupted website so anyone could have posted anything. Right, so just like anyone can post anything on reddit therefore everything on reddit must be fake. The only thing I posted in regards to female victims, was to counter your argument that more men in Canada were victims rather than women, a quick Google search showed the modern numbers dint agree with this. And those are different numbers, because they rely on self-reporting (and men are significantly less … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 08:13 PM |
| 2 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.Because that's your standard, if they don't agree with feminist publications then it must be fake and corrupted and from woman-hating misogynistic incels. Feminists didn’t make up these numbers, they publish them to get help for women. Why can’t men do the same thing without using fake numbers to help male victims? They don't make up numbers about female victims no, but they dismiss, ignore, and invalidate male victims. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duluth_model#Criticism By determining that the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 07:51 PM |
| 1 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.The non fake corrupted websites publish the real numbers and ways in which victims are finding themselves in. That’s how you help them. Yes, the non fake corrupted websites with the totally real numbers that totally count for all female victims and totally don't forget or ignore male victims. Those totally non fake corrupted websites that only ever entirely agree with feminism, because feminism could never possibly be wrong about anything and anyone talking about male victims being erased or dis… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 07:38 PM |
| 3 | Debate: Women engage in rape apologia of male victims more than men doAnd I find it incredibly ironic that the exact same feminism that is basically hyper vigilant against the tiniest microscopic speck of misogyny, is not only completely blind to the rampant misandry in their own movement, but is often as not actively encouraging misogyny in their eternal crusade against the ever present and all powerful patriarchy. It's like, "remove the Empire State Building out of your own eye before you ask men to remove the speck in their eye." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 05:38 PM |
| 2 | There’s no point in women freely give away sexual attention when men dont appreciate it.I do. You guys conflate listen to with "agree and pity". Funny, because it's generally women who conflate "listen to" with "agree and pity", not men. And if you do listen, clearly you simply don't care about anything that contradicts what you already want to believe, so it's selective listening at best. That's the typical guy that brings up Male Loneliness Epidemic, as mentioned by the guys in those tiktoks. Also, I did a post here and plenty of men implied that men will get hostile with society… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 02:51 PM |
| 2 | There’s no point in women freely give away sexual attention when men dont appreciate it.Christian Grey is a hot rich CEO that stalks a random reporter chick. AND WOMEN FOUND THAT SO HOT THEY MADR THE BOOK AN INTERNATIONAL BEST SELLER. Stop blaming men for women's choices. Do you reply think women are like weak children incapable kd making their own choices? Isn't that pretty damn sexist of you? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 02:45 PM |
| 1 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.Right, because the only non fake non corrupt websites are the ones that do erase and dismiss male victims. So clearly we can stop the erasure and dismiss la of male domestic abuse victims, by only using websites that do erase and dismiss male domestic abuse victims. Great plan. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 02:31 PM |
| 2 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.No but constantly erasing, dismissing, and invalidating male domestic abuse victims does. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 08:35 AM |
| 1 | Debate: Women engage in rape apologia of male victims more than men doSee I agree, I just find it interesting that you automatically paint it that women lying must be lying to save themselves from danger, while men lying must be lying to force women to have sex with them, which is coercion, which is rape. Women can and do lie just as much as men do, they just tend to lie to get different things from men, because while men desire sex more than women, there are other things women want from men. Conflating lies with coercion only muddies the water, and assuming the b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 06:45 AM |
| 2 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.No I think it’s more like the 2014 paper was written by a women hating incels and now this document has just passed about on websites like that other fake one. Right, everything you disagree with must be written by women-hating incels. Stats Canada had woman-hating incels write their 2014 report too. A Google searched proved you were wrong. I actually agree with you that lots of male victims don’t report abuse, but it’s still not nearly as much as female victims And how do we know that, when we … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 06:36 AM |
| 2 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.And I'm going to say that due to the constant erasure of male victims, men are significantly less likely to recognize they are being abuse, report they are being abused, or come forwards to the police to claim abuse. So basically you're looking at data that cherry-picks what you want to see while completely ignoring how it erases male victims. Do you think that a bunch of women all decided to be super abusive towards men in 2014 and then all of a sudden stopped? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 04:46 AM |
| – | what preferences are women allowed to have?Women are allowed to have whatever preferences they want. They're just not entitled to not being judged a shallow and superficial, if they have shallow and superficial preferences, that's all. Women can have whatever preferences they want, they just have to accept the judgement that comes with their preferences. Don't want to be judged as shallow and superficial? Don't have shallow and superficial preferences. It's that simple. woman has a preference for a man who’s rich or just financially stab… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 03:04 AM |
| 2 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.For the 3rd time. It’s fake because it’s from a website that anyone can post anything. That's not how science works. It's like saying that everything on reddit is fake because anyone can post anything here. So no, you can’t take these numbers seriously. The fact you keep pushing this and have become just shows you know it but you have your own agenda as usual No, it's just because you don't want to take those numbers seriously. After all, if even Statistics Canada says the same thing, and cites … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 02:10 AM |
| 3 | Debate: Women engage in rape apologia of male victims more than men doThe original point I was trying to get at was that while lying can be used as a means of coercion, there's still a world of difference between just lying and coercion. Not all lies are coercive, and it is possible to be coercive without lying. Conflating lies and coercion just muddies the water and makes it more difficult to actually arrive at the truth of the matter and more difficult to actually address the problem. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 02:08 AM |
| 2 | Fellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? DiscussGood question, why should I care about women? See I care because it may come as a surprise to some, but men are human beings with feelings as well, and men are just as deserving of basic human empathy and compassion as women. And just like we ought to address the issues women face so women have a better life in society, so too should we address the issues men face so men also have a better life in society. Bro just focus on your own dating / sex life and stop worrying about what other people are… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 02:06 AM |
| 2 | Fellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? DiscussI get worked up about this stuff because I hate how male victims get dismissed and invalidated, usually by the exact same people who want people to care more about female victims who go through the exact same thing. I also get worked up about double standards, hypocrisy, and lying just to paint the other in a worse light to prop oneself up. I find that especially galling when it comes from people who claim to care about equality, then treat equality like a one-way street exclusively to the benef… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 02:03 AM |
| 2 | There’s no point in women freely give away sexual attention when men dont appreciate it.It’s not that you want people to listen to men, is that you want people to listen to the men that agrees with you. Ironic, when you don't want to listen to the men who disagree with you either. You find the men who are an outlier, an extreme, and pretend like this outlier and extreme group is the average normal man. And then you tell men they are wrong when men tell you their own lived experiences. Bit of the pot calling the kettle black there, isn't it? And as for incels, multiple governments, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 01:49 AM |
| 2 | There’s no point in women freely give away sexual attention when men dont appreciate it.So women didn’t lie to men, it’s you guys lying to each other. Right, women can do no wrong and it's always the fault of men. Remember, it wasn't men who wrote 50 Shades of Grey or made it an international best seller. You talked about the average man, most men don’t bitch about these things. The average man isn’t going around blaming women for a belief from FICTION MADE BY MEN. I don't think you have a clue what the average man actually thinks. I'm sure you think you do, but I'm equally sure yo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 01:46 AM |
| 4 | Debate: Women engage in rape apologia of male victims more than men doIf she does not answer, is that also a lie and therefore coercion? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/26 07:50 AM |
| 5 | Debate: Women engage in rape apologia of male victims more than men doNot necessarily, some makeup looks natural so many men can't tell that she is wearing makeup even when she is. Talking isn't the only way to lie. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/26 06:57 AM |
| 11 | Debate: Women engage in rape apologia of male victims more than men doSo do you think women coerce men when they lie about their looks with makeup? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/26 06:54 AM |
| 5 | Fellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? DiscussDo you really need it written black on white for a woman to say "yeah I falsely accused this guy because I thought he was ugly"??? You do realize that's basically never going to happen right? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/26 06:41 AM |
| 6 | Debate: Women engage in rape apologia of male victims more than men doIt must be a hard life you live, that you get coerced all the time every time someone tells you a white lie. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/26 06:23 AM |
| 11 | Debate: Women engage in rape apologia of male victims more than men doI mean you're not wrong, but there are feminists in this very subreddit who believe that it is impossible for women to rape men, since men are stronger and can just push the women off. I agree we need more education, but as OP's link demonstrates, victim blaming and rape apologia against women has decreased, while victim blaming and rape apologia against men has increased. Something very wrong is happening there. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/26 06:22 AM |
| 1 | Debate: Women engage in rape apologia of male victims more than men doYou need to add prison rapes Factually correct, when we count prison rape men are in fact the majority of rape victims. but the bigger question is who is the one raping the man? Overwhelmingly, women. Including female prison guards. Female prison guards and male prisoners might have consented, but due to the power differential it is still counted as rape (as it should). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/26 06:20 AM |
| 11 | Debate: Women engage in rape apologia of male victims more than men doWhen women call this whataboutism, it's usually because you're bringing up male victims in response to women talking about women being raped, rather than starting a discussion about male victims on its own. And when a discussion about male victims gets started on its own men get told women are the primary and main victims so we should talk about and address women being raped more and first. Also, a large portion of male rape victims are victimized in prison. Almost but not quite true actually. h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/26 06:18 AM |
| 3 | Fellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? DiscussOne is women being treated like a pure innocent angels who can do no wrong by default, being seen as kinder, more moral, and more virtuous. In contrast men tend to be treated like potentially violent murderous rapists by default until or unless proven otherwise. Equality means women are just as smart, just as terrible, just as kind, just as superficial, just as selfless, and just as abusive as men, so we ought to combat that unfair female privilege of being seen as more virtuous, in the same way… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/26 03:51 AM |
| 1 | Fellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? DiscussI mean it's a fine distinction, but it is an important one. Without that fine distinction, we completely erase and gloss over the blatant entitlement, and it's that blatant entitlement that is basically the source of 90% of the problems here. Women are totally allowed to act upon their attraction, the problem is that for some reason it's seen as a problem when men do the same and act upon their attraction. Either it should be ok for both gender, or not ok for either gender, to act on their attra… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/26 03:49 AM |
| 1 | There’s no point in women freely give away sexual attention when men dont appreciate it.You can always find exceptions to everything. The question is then, are the experiences of the men you liked, representative of the experiences of the average man? And the answer is, no, they're not. You can keep picking all the exceptions you like, that still doesn't invalidate the majority. You can name literally all the black people who live in Canada one by one, that still won't change the fact that most people who live in Canada are white-skinned. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_origin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/26 03:42 AM |
| 2 | There’s no point in women freely give away sexual attention when men dont appreciate it.I mean yeah that's asshole behaviour, but as much as that was an asshole way to go about it, he did signal his preference. They just fuck it up because they’re assholes. And yet for some reason it's the assholes who have the least trouble finding women to be with. Funny how that works out. Guys here swear that women told them being nice would get them laid, and I’m still waiting for that evidence. You mean the overwhelming evidence everywhere in society where every single story about love is bas… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/26 03:39 AM |
| 6 | Fellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? Discusshttps://www.dailymail.com/news/article-6244083/High-school-clique-mean-girls-sued-targeting-boy-false-allegations-sexual-assault.html "A clique of five girls falsely accused a teenage boy of sexual assault in Pittsburgh. The unnamed boy was fired from his job and served time in juvenile detention. The girls later admitted to making up the allegations because they 'don't like him'" Good enough? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/26 03:33 AM |
| 1 | There’s no point in women freely give away sexual attention when men dont appreciate it.Oh yeah fair enough, I wasn't disagreeing with you either, just kinda adding on/rambling on :p | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/26 03:32 AM |
| 1 | Fellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? DiscussThat's not a double standard. Everyone is entitled to baseline standard of civility and politeness. No one is entitled to attention or attraction. The double standard lies in the contradiction between what they SAY they are attracted to, and what they actually RESPOND to. If I call myself a pacifist, and I punch everyone in the face who disagrees with me, will you believe my words or my actions? And women cannot say they are attracted to kind caring smart men, and respond exclusively to tall str… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/26 03:26 AM |
| 10 | Fellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? Discusshttps://np.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1uxsnpw/i_was_almost_framed_for_rape_in_2019/ https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/dec/13/duke-lacrosse-rape-falsely-accused-crystal-mangum https://abcnews.com/Politics/student-falsely-accused-sexual-harassment-denied-due-process/story?id=58592962 The stories are out there. There are hundreds of them. Nobody cares and they get called fake, because the feminist narrative is that there's no way women could ever do bad things to men, and anyways bette… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 09:38 PM |
| 5 | Fellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? DiscussMen get offended when mid women are attracted to men who are much more attractive than them. They think these women are being delusional at their chances of actually attracting these men beyond anything that is sexual. Men don't get offended when mid women are attracted to highly attractive men. Men get offended when mid women believe that they are entitled to relationships with men who are much more attractive than them. Men get offended when these delusional mid women believe themselves entitl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 09:33 PM |
| 12 | Fellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? DiscussGenerally I agree, the double standards creep in when society sees it as discriminatory and unacceptable when men do it to women, but totally fine and justified when women do it to men. Treating equality like a one way street exclusively to the benefit of women isn't equality at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 09:27 PM |
| 5 | Fellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? DiscussFellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? Discuss I mean that depends. Are we going to call it discriminatory when men experience attraction? I don’t get why men act like women experiencing attraction and treating guys differently based on whether they’re attractive to them is so cruel and terrible and some sort of double standard? Oh no women are absolutely allowed to treat men with massive double standards depending on whether they find him attractive or not. They just h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 09:24 PM |
| 3 | There’s no point in women freely give away sexual attention when men dont appreciate it.It's less that men are less to blame, and more that women often want to paint themselves as victims of horrible men, while completely ignoring and denying any responsibility they have for their own situation. Men iterallt have a saying, "don't stick your dick in crazy" that inherently tells men they are responsible and accountable for their own choices, and if they stuck their dick in crazy, it's their own fault. There is no such saying for women, on the women's side all the blame is completely … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 09:15 PM |
| 4 | There’s no point in women freely give away sexual attention when men dont appreciate it.I don't know why you think men almost never acknowledge that. Most men absolutely do acknowledge that, and would condemn the man for doing something bad. What men don't like is women blaming all the other innocent men, for the actions of that one bad man. Some women do like bad boys, some women are attracted to traits that are close to bad traits, like mistaking arrogance and confidence, and women generally preferring benevolent sexism even if it's often associated with actual hostile sexism, in… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 08:26 PM |
| 3 | There’s no point in women freely give away sexual attention when men dont appreciate it.No one is stuck in a relationship but let's not pretend like solitude and loneliness aren't painful, and let's not pretend like breaking bonds isn't also painful. People are not unemotional robots, we all have attachments and create bonds with one another. Pretending it isn't so and evaluating the situation like we're all emotionless robots is not useful. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 07:51 PM |
| 1 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.Right, it's all fake and made up because you don't like what it says, therefore none of it could ever be true. I can prove where it came from, I literally posted the link, quoted their paper, and the authors cited their sources. They all point to previous scientific publications as proof. The fact you are blatantly ignoring it and apparently fundamentally have no idea how science works, is not an argument against the scientific publication. But I know that you can't convince a delusional person … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 07:50 PM |
| 5 | There’s no point in women freely give away sexual attention when men dont appreciate it.I mean I have no idea if the woman was rude to him first and the guy was rude in return, or if he was just an asshole and the other guys who see nothing wrong are also assholes, I don't know. But you making the jump from "well I showed this video to guys online" to"therefore men have tons of options on dating" is just completely wrong. You're basing your entire reasoning about men in general off of one anecdote. Look, do you want men to listen to women's lived experiences, yes or no? Because if … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 07:48 PM |
| 6 | There’s no point in women freely give away sexual attention when men dont appreciate it.Of course, everyone is responsible for who they choose to date. But if people ask "why are people telling women to choose better and not men", well, this is why. When women have 20x the choices men have, they have many more good partners to pick from, they're not stuck with whatever crappy hand they happen to be dealt with like most men. Everyone can complain for sure, but women complaining that they can't get good men, while men largely can't get dates at all, is like someone complaining that n… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 04:49 PM |
| 2 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.Right, and you determine it must be fake because it doesn't agree with what you want to believe, while completely ignoring the science and methodology. Very impartial. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 04:40 PM |
| 11 | There’s no point in women freely give away sexual attention when men dont appreciate it.That's because women overwhelmingly have massively more choice than men do. Women on dating apps on average have 20x more matches than men do. Women approaching men IRL have SIGNIFICANTLY higher chances of actually getting a date and not getting rejected. Men do not have that luxury. Men and women are basically playing completely different games when it comes to dating with different rules. Women have the luxury of basically choosing whoever they want, while men largely have to do the best they … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 04:00 PM |
| 2 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.And yet, this "fake website" has the same conclusion as the link I shared from statistics Canada, that also concludes that half the domestic abuse victims are men. Just because there add some fake research articles on that website, does not mean they are all fake, and does not mean you get to call them fake just because you don't like the conclusion they come to. I assume you don't support trump, but you seem to enjoy using the same "fake news" tactics as he does. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 03:44 PM |
| 1 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.At this point I don't know what to tell you, I am literally quoting the paper where they themselves explain their methodology. That's how science works. The paper goes "we added it up and 2+2=4" and you go "no that's wrong". You don't bother to make any arguments, you don't try and quote anything, just flat out complete denial and refusal to acknowledge or address anything. Just because you don't agree with it doesn't make it hate. But at least we can agree, if feminism is for women, then it is … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 08:38 AM |
| 2 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.I'm quoting the literal study. The literal study says their selection criteria is Both reviews had three inclusion criteria. First, studies were included where they presented empirical data regarding the prevalence of physical IPV perpetration (from the perspective of the victim in the victimization review). Second, the IPV must have occurred within a heterosexual relationship. Third, articles were excluded where they sampled from either (a) an identified victim population, such as within a shel… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 07:30 AM |
| 2 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.I'm quoting a literal study that I cited at the top of my comment. I don't hate women, I hate how feminism lies about domestic abuse. I'm sorry you believe that any numbers you don't like are "made up". I sincerely hope no boys or men in your family get abused, because you clearly won't be of any help to them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 07:05 AM |
| 4 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.I agree that anything fake or made up shouldn't be used as fact. I'm well aware of the feminist lies that constantly dismiss, erase, invalidate, and discredit male abuse victims at the hands of women. It is close to female victims, and it is in fact overwhelmingly done by women, not other men. There's no way half the domestic abuse victims can be men, and they'd all be abused by other men, when gay men make up 10% of all men. It's both incredibly homophobic to blame gay men for domestic abuse, a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/26 11:23 PM |
| 4 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.I'Ve been using real facts all along. Just because you don't like them, doesn't mean they stop being real. The original post was based on this source https://www.researchgate.net/publication/388675702_Rates_of_Male_and_Female_Physical_Victimization_and_Perpetration_in_Intimate_Relationships_A_Comprehensive_Review "Rates of Male and Female Physical Victimization and Perpetration in Intimate Relationships: A Comprehensive Review" Which states: "Across studies, approximately one in seven women (14.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/26 11:21 PM |
| 4 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.Thanks, I'll use that to quote at feminists too, bookmarked that study! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/26 11:12 PM |
| 7 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.I guess you also think statistics Canada is lying https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/en/pub/85-002-x/2016001/article/14303-eng.pdf?st=G3YeIgkV "In 2014, slightly more men (4.2%) than women (3.5%) reported being victims of spousal violence during the preceding 5 years. This translated into about 342,000 women and 418,000 men across the provinces. " And this study must be fake news as well. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/233717660_Thirty_Years_of_Denying_the_Evidence_on_Gender_Symmetry_in_P… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/26 08:29 AM |
| 3 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.Right, anything that goes against what feminism says MUST be fake and MUST be because we hate women. It can't possibly because we actually care about male abuse victims. Have you ever heard of the terms "confirmation bias" and "persecution complex" before? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/26 08:23 AM |
| 10 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.You do realize men are half the domestic abuse victims, women are half the abusers, and 75% of unidirectional domestic abuse is female on male, right? https://np.reddit.com/r/TheTinMen/comments/1ooxfm9/an_advanced_guide_to_intimate_partner_violence/ | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/26 05:26 AM |
| 1 | I wish the feminists would at least be open about hating us rather than resorting to all of the denialism and victim blamingIt frustrates me when people say women are less aggressive because it's just not true. Women are people just like men, and they are just as aggressive, they just express it differently. Certainly doesn't help thwt feminism eagerly repars that lie as often as possible to paint men in the worst possible light and women in the best possible light. | /r/MensRights | 14/07/26 07:12 PM |
| 2 | I wish the feminists would at least be open about hating us rather than resorting to all of the denialism and victim blamingbut they’re just trying to make their lives better You mean like how feminists constantly and consistently deny and erase the fact that men are half the domestic abuse victims? https://thetinmen.blog/50-of-intimate-partner-violence-was-bilateral-with-both-part/ Or like how feminism constantly and consistently denies that men are near half the rape victims? https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/sexual-victimization-by-women-is-more-common-than-previously-known/ Or like how it is legally impo… | /r/MensRights | 14/07/26 06:36 AM |
| 1 | I wish the feminists would at least be open about hating us rather than resorting to all of the denialism and victim blamingIt'S less physically aggressive, but it is just as if not more socially and emotionally aggressive. Just because it's not physical, doesn't mean it's not aggressive. | /r/MensRights | 14/07/26 06:34 AM |
| 2 | How feminism maintains unfalsifiability (which is bad for any framework)In as much as there are egalitarian theories they are not feminist, and in as much as there are feminist theories they are not egalitarian. It's a bit like saying we're making a square/circle shape. The two are not compatible. The "feminist egalitarian" theories that try to break free from traditional sexism, which can benefit men and women, is still largely fine with sexism that benefits women and largely silent on sexism that harms men. If they did address both equally, they'd be egalitarian, … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/07/26 09:01 PM |
| 0 | How feminism maintains unfalsifiability (which is bad for any framework)The problem is the misandric bias, not necessarily the feminist/egalitarian theories themselves. That's a distinction without a difference. Feminism is inherently misandrist and anti egalitarian. You can't NOT have misandry when feminism sees men as the violent oppressors by default and women as the innocent oppressed victims by default. The midandric bias is baked in as a core part of feminism. That's not a bug, that's a feature. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/07/26 06:02 PM |
| 6 | Women who choose to remain single are viewed as empowered, men are notOppression always sucked, the new thing is not that oppression sucks, the new thing is that apparently only women are ever allowed to be oppressed and men aren't allowed to be oppressed or face serious issues. I'm just calling out the double standards. Have your descendants get back to mine in 4026. Then we will call it even. You do realize that an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind right? You gonna advocate to poke out a innocent baby boys eyes today because some woman's eyes were poke… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/26 03:17 AM |
| 16 | Women who choose to remain single are viewed as empowered, men are notGood question, if you blame them for past sins, you gonna give them the past credit too? Or you gonna blame them for past sins then tell them they didn't do anything to deserve past credit? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/26 06:57 PM |
| 16 | Women who choose to remain single are viewed as empowered, men are notDoes the oppression of women in the past, justify oppressing innocent men in the future who had absolutely nothing to do with the oppression of women? Are individual innocent men to be held guilty for the sins of all other men? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/26 05:46 PM |
| – | The "problem" with paying is that men here don't like the types of women willing to pay for themselves on dates.If by "save time" you mean "save time by not having dates at all" I agree. When you've only got the one potential date a month, and you're filtering out more than half of them, you're damn close to just giving up on dating completely. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/26 05:15 AM |
| 1 | Society only "appreciates" men if they get married or get some kind of approval from women.Very true, and yet when this exact same kind of pressure and lack of approval is directed at women it is capped patriarchal and controlling and oppressive, whether or not the woman is unaffected by society's lack of approval. Odd double standard isn't it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/26 07:56 PM |
| 2 | Why do women keep getting into situationships?First of all, that is still greedy and overly demanding No, that is your interpretation. Second of all, you didn’t specify the beginning of the relationship. You specified commitment, which usually is a conversation after a few months. That's fair, I probably should have specified that, but no, women generally expect commitment and signals of commitment from men pretty much right from the beginning, if they're not looking for one night stands. Third of all, you are attempting to detail the conve… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/26 03:42 AM |
| 2 | Why do women keep getting into situationships?I meant more to say that women in the early stages of relationships tend to demand far more from men than they are willing to give to men. Later on in the relationship that might change but that's how it is early on, regardless of the fact women largely refuse to admit this. I don't hate women, if anything I hate dishonesty and manipulation and hypocrisy. Surely we'd all be better off if all dishonesty, manipulation, and hypocrisy was called out in both women and men, right? None of these words … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/26 03:21 AM |
| 2 | Why do women keep getting into situationships?If you don’t intend to describe women as greedy and overly demanding by saying women want way more than men and women just want money and gifts and unrealistic stuff, then spell out what you mean. I did. I spelled out exactly what I meant. I am not responsible for your interpretation of what I write. Men love to backtrack out of their bigotry towards women when called out. And women do the same. It's a trait of bad people, and that happens to women and men both. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/26 03:08 AM |
| 4 | What Aspects of Men's dating life do you have find yourself getting jealous of?As a man, no that is not what we are told to do. Please stop ignoring and dismissing lens loved experiences. You want men to take women at their word for women's lived experiences? Then women have to take men at their word for men's lived experiences. Rules for thee but not for me is incompatible with equality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/26 07:03 PM |
| 4 | What Aspects of Men's dating life do you have find yourself getting jealous of?He is a lucky man, because most women don't seem to love taking care of their man at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/26 07:00 PM |
| 2 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpI'm not sure what you mean here, can you elaborate? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/26 01:18 PM |
| 1 | Why do women keep getting into situationships?GREEDY OVERLY DEMANDING THAT IS YOUR INTERPRETATION OF WHAT I SAID. I didn't say that. Thank you for proving my point. And when women don’t grovel in response, men call it misandry. That is your interpretation of what I said. I didn't say that. Thank you for proving my point. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/26 12:37 AM |
| 2 | Why do women keep getting into situationships?No that is what you think I said. That is your interpretation of what I said. I said men massively agree that paying a high price in commitment for a mediocre prize is not worth it, which is why they don't want to commit. If women made it worth it for men to commit, then men wouldn't hesitate. But women don't want to do that. So men don't commit, because it's not worth it for men. Women are not owed commitment from men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/26 12:02 AM |
| 2 | Why do women keep getting into situationships?You describe women as greedy, lazy, overly demanding, opportunistic, sadistic, unloving, undeserving of commitment, and worthless for anything besides sex. I never said that, that's your interpretation of what I said. I am only responsible for what I say, I am not responsible for what you understand. Even if you deny it, the shit you said is hate for women. And what I said is not even 10% as heinous as what women said with the man vs bear nonsense. Most men think the way you do. Good, then those… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/26 11:41 PM |
| 2 | Why don't women just use a chore chart in the home?Hey there, I didn't reply to this at first because I wasn't quite ready to, and then while I did save the tab to reply, it kinda got buried and I forgot about it for a while, sorry about that. Thank you for the thoughtful response in return. I can definitely feel the authenticity and genuineness in what you say, and I am sorry you have gone through much of your life not liking who you were as a person. My journey on improving my mental health has continued, and improving the physical health is a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/26 10:33 PM |
| 2 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpYep. Unfortunately so are half the feminists out there. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/26 10:04 PM |
| 1 | Why do women keep getting into situationships?It's mainstream. Hating men is mainstream. Men simply respond, and women call it hate. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/26 10:01 PM |
| 2 | Why do women keep getting into situationships?Yeah no it is most definitely not mainstream. The blue pill and feminism are mainstream, and hating men is accepted in mainstream feminism, if you dress up the misandry in flowery enough language. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/26 08:05 PM |
| 4 | Why do women keep getting into situationships?Most men don't either. I simply repeat what men say about men in men’s spaces. Sure you do. If I repeated all the horrible things women say about other women in women's spaces I'm sure you'd tell me I'm misogynistic and taking it out of context. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/26 07:33 PM |
| 5 | Why do women keep getting into situationships?Right, if men say sociopathic stuff about women then women are justified in hating men. If women say sociopathic stuff about men, and they do, does this mean men are justified in hating women? When men describe women as greedy, money hungry, undeserving of commitment overly demanding, and worthless beyond sex, it’s no wonder we done want to grovel and beg. And when women say men are psychopathic violent uncaring unfeeling brutes, worthless except for what they can provide, it's no wonder men don… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/26 07:12 PM |
| 2 | Why do women keep getting into situationships?The price of commitment that women pay is to not just fuck other dudes? I disagree with that but if that's your perspective then sure. I mean there is a time commitment for sure, but the guy is committing his time as well so it's even. If I am wrong and there is more that you believe men expect from women as commitment, by all means do share, if I am wrong I would like to know it. By that logic I can say that women aren't scum if they're gold diggers and use men like ATMs. After all men's bad be… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/26 06:36 PM |
| 4 | Why do women keep getting into situationships?Funny you should say that because 7% of UK men under 30 have a negative opinion of women, while 21% of women have a negative opinion of men. It seems women truly and utterly despise men more than the other way around. You describe. Women as greedy, money hungry, undeserving of commitment, overly demanding, and worthless beyond sex. No, you interpreted my comment as meaning this and making a judgement. I am merely pointing out reality from a man's lived experience and perspective. I am not making… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/26 06:25 PM |
| 3 | Why do women keep getting into situationships?Fair, and yeah poor guys, they're going to have to break it off :/ | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/26 04:07 PM |
| 5 | Why do women keep getting into situationships?Just to know, what makes it a situationships? He wants more commitment, and she doesn't want to be in a relationship, but she sticks around enjoying the benefits? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/26 03:48 PM |
| 1 | Why do women keep getting into situationships?Largely it's because a man's idea of commitment is that they spend time together and are exclusive to one another, while women's idea of commitment is that they spend time together and are exclusive to one another, but also that he invests a ton of time and money and effort into her and into the relationship in ways that benefits her, while she doesn't have to do anything or invest anything in return if she doesn't feel like it. Women demand a high price from men in commitment, while largely men… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/26 03:44 PM |
| 8 | Why do women keep getting into situationships?Being honest? Most of women have been told that men hate commitment and that it's so uncool to want a label. Seems to me this is a thing women tell other women about men, because that's not how any guy i know would describe it. From what I've seen it's almost universally and uniquely a woman thing to want to avoid labels, most guys would love to have the girlfriend/boyfriend label, and the commitment, with someone who is worth it. Men are not afraid of commitment. Men are afraid of the price of … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/26 03:37 PM |
| 3 | If women put more effort into their apps, maybe theyd see more success too.Totally agree. The double standards is that, as a society when women complain we validate them and tell them men are horrible and need to do better, but when men complain we tell them to man up, do better, and they're not entitled to anything from women. And it is perfectly valid to be frustrated about this obvious double standard. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/26 03:04 PM |
| 2 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenMen have faced, and continue to face historical oppression, but those axis of oppression are not a consequence of their manhood, so much as their subordinate status in some other hierarchy. See this is the argument that keeps being asserted, and that I do not agree with. Men face more severe risks of homelessness because they are men. Men face more severe risks of suicide because they are men. Men face more severe risks of being murdered because they are men. Men face more severe risks of being … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/26 01:39 AM |
| 1 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenOk that's a fair point, I suppose I should say there is a difference between peacetime and wartime, and when a country loses the war then all bets are off completely and there are no rules, it is vae victus, woe to the vanquished. The thing is though there are many countries without the draft, it is not always necessary, and when men got the right to vote in the UK they only got it with the draft as a condition. If we're going to recognize the issues that historically oppressed women, we have to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/26 01:23 AM |
| 1 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenyou default to the same vapid interpretation of a worldview that you don't share. Well yeah, because I am asking for the justification for thinking that worldview and interpretation is correct. I understand how the worldview is internally consistent, once we accept the premises, the question is why should I accept those premises as being true in the first place. Can you name a marital tradition wherein the mother gives away her son when walking down the aisle? I don't need to, I simply need to p… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 11:59 PM |
| 1 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenThey were never traded away between families to secure alliances, So were men. Marriages as alliance between families used both sons and daughters to make that alliance work. or purchased using dowry If your boss purchases your time when you work for him, does it mean your boss owns you as property? taken as spoils in war? I mean when it comes to war the rules change because it's a conflict between societies. Women could be taken as spoils, or have their throats slit along with the men and boys,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 11:34 PM |
| 1 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenWomen have been slaves just as much as men have been slaves. That was due to slavery, not due to their gender. "People who are property" are slaves. The vast majority of women in western history were not property, because being property means being a slave, and the vast majority of women were not slaves. You're saying women were 2nd class citizens because they were treated as property. They were not. People who are treated as property are slaves, and women are not slaves. So the metric by which … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 11:16 PM |
| 2 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenPeople who are property are slaves. Women were not slaves. So if women were not property and were not slaves, what metric did we use to determine that they are 2nd class citizens? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 10:56 PM |
| 2 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenWell hold on now, if part of men's patriarchal duties is to protect women and die to protect women as needed, how did we determine that women must be 2nd class citizens? I'd agree with you in situations where men could vote but women couldn't, but that's an incredibly tiny slice of history since for the past 2000 years the overwhelming majority of men couldn't vote either. So what metric did we use to determine that women are in fact 2nd class citizens, and how do we know those metrics don't als… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 10:31 PM |
| 2 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenRight, but then can't we also turn around and say women are privileged by the patriarchy, provided women can uphold the patriarchal standard for women, and that the oppression women face is a direct consequence of failing to do so? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 10:08 PM |
| 2 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenMen under patriarchy are oppressed by the system of patriarchy itself. Well hold on a minute, earlier you said men benefited from the patriarchy and were not oppressed by it. So which is it? Are men oppressed by the patriarchy or do men benefit from the patriarchy? Would it be better to split "men" into smaller groups to more accurately describe which men are oppressed by the patriarchy and which men benefit from the patriarchy? The LBJ quote I'm referring to is, if memory serves "if you can con… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 10:03 PM |
| 1 | Women are not more emotionally intelligent, Men just complain lessI mean women on here love to femsplain men's lived experiences at men all the time, welcome to equality I guess? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 09:46 PM |
| 2 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenThe men harmed by patriarchy aren't being ignored. They're willfully buying into the system harming them. No I mean you and feminism are ignoring them. You are saying they are buying into the ayatem, so the harm done to them doesn't matter, doesn't count as oppression, and doesn't even need to be looked at or taken into account. The harm men go through at the hands of the patriarchy gets almost completely ignored and dismissed. If we actually fully quantified and took into account the amount tha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 09:34 PM |
| 2 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenIt's impossible for any but a select few to reach the top, but depending on how well you uphold the allied hierarchical systems, it will be relatively simple to take a rung above the people who can't. And if that is true, why do we say the patriarchy is a system that benefits men, when most people who get stepped on and who are at the bottom rung of society, are men? This is not a rare case, this is not an accident, this is not an outlier. It is the norm that in the patriarchal system we live in… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 09:19 PM |
| 2 | For the most part, the idea of "unpaid domestic labor" either doesn't exist or isn't relevantI don't see men as incapable. I just recognize that half the time, men aren't the problem, and so men canot fix what they aren't causing and aren't responsible for. Men ought to fox what men are responsible for and women ought to fix what women are responsible for, it's just nobody, and especially not feminism, wants to ever recognize or acknowledge that women cause problems and are the problem just as often as men are. Thanks for the condescension, I appreciate you showing how little women care… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 08:43 PM |
| 2 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenStill committing the apex fallacy, you're looking at the 10 men who succeed and ignoring the 10,000 men who failed. Again, patriarchy is shit for everybody, but mechanically it is elevating a specific kind of people. Yes, a tiny fraction of men, at the expense of most men and women. So if the patriarchy elevated a tiny minority of men at the expense of most men, how can it benefit men? We describe hierarchies by who's at the top, not who's involved in maintaining it, or punished for failure. We … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 08:36 PM |
| 4 | For the most part, the idea of "unpaid domestic labor" either doesn't exist or isn't relevantFeminism believes men can be victims of the patriarchy, but since men set up and enforce the patriarchy, its basically a roundabout way to say men are hurting themselves, so it doesn't count as oppression, and men don't deserve help because they're hurting themselves. It's an elaborate form of victim blaming and erasing male victims to focus on men being perpetrators, to better fit with the feminist dichotomy of men being oppressive perpetrators and never victims, and women are always oppressed … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 08:27 PM |
| 2 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenBecause disproportionately, most people at the top are men too. But, again, there are far more men at the bottom than at the top. So why do we say the game favours men when the vast majority of losers are men, and the majority of men lose out, while the majority of women might not win but enjoy a comfortable and safe middle? That's why it's a commonly held academic standard that patriarchy hurts everyone. It just affords higher ceilings to men, and lower floors to failed men. Higher ceilings, bu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 08:13 PM |
| 2 | For the most part, the idea of "unpaid domestic labor" either doesn't exist or isn't relevantFair, I should have been more clear and say feminism doesn't believe that men as a group can be victims of any systematic oppression. Most people can recognize individual men can be victims, it's just feminists refuse to acknowledge when men are victims of issues because they are a man. Per being victim of the rp and mansophere, oh no, how dare men fall victims to groups that actually listen to them and validate their problems, instead of leftists and feminists who tell men they never face any s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 07:59 PM |
| 2 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenThe patriarchal bargain is giving up autonomy in order to obtain security within a system that doesn't value Women as equal people, but as social capital or free domestic labor. And in your opinion, what does the patriarchal system view men as? Because it seems if women can so easily leverage what they have to avoid falling to the bottom of the pyramid, and that most people who fall to the bottom of the pyramid are men, then this system seems to give significantly more privileges and benefits to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 07:51 PM |
| 1 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenWomen are viewed as beauty objects, men as success objects. Both are equally dehumanizing, but of course you only care about the women because of the feminist blinders you have on that day women must always be the bigger victims. Remember, trophy wives largely chose to be that way, nobody forced them. Do you want to treat women as equals who are equally responsible and equally accountable for their own choices, or do you want to infantilize women, claim they are not equal to men, and cannot be h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 07:49 PM |
| 2 | For the most part, the idea of "unpaid domestic labor" either doesn't exist or isn't relevantFrom your own source The wage gap is calculated by comparing the median earnings for all women working full-time year-round compared to that of all men working full-time year-round, says Vasu Reddy, director of state policy for workplace justice at the National Women’s Law Center. This is why the wage gap is debunked. It doesn't take into account career, experience, training, or hours worked, it just adds up all the money women make and all the money men make, and then declares that since women … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 07:09 PM |
| 2 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenHow does the patriarchal bargain explain that the vast majority of people at the bottom are men, and that 80% of suicide victims, murder victims, and homeless people are men? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 06:20 PM |
| 3 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenIf you equalize parties across race and class, the largest disparity in outcomes comes from gender. Well yes, because we've equalized everything else, but the disparity is not consistently and solely in favour of women and stacked consistently and solely in men's favour. Because if that were true we wouldn't see that near 80% of suicidal people, homeless people, and murdered people were men. Most of the people at the top are men, but so are most people at the bottom men too, and there are millio… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 05:33 PM |
| 3 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenMy premise is not that women are always the victim. And yet that is literally the first conclusion you seem to jump to in every single situation, so how can you end up at "women are always the victim" all the time in every situation if it's not in the core premises somewhere? Feminism has little to say on issues of race or class, and we have already covered this point. For a group that claims to have little to say on the issues of race or class it sure talks a lot about it. Also funny how in dis… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 04:17 PM |
| 3 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenI'm fully aware of what a reductio ad absurdum is, the irony is that it's not a fallacy, it's a legitimate way to make an argument. From the wiki In logic, reductio ad absurdum (Latin for "reduction to absurdity"), also known as argumentum ad absurdum (Latin for "argument to absurdity"), apagogical argument, or proof by contradiction, is the form of argument that attempts to establish a claim by showing that following the logic of a contrary proposition or argument would lead to absurdity or con… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 04:10 PM |
| 3 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenExcept it's not. It's to accommodate human endurance, because nobody can work for 4 weeks straight, but people can work in 8 hour shifts with 3 shifts per day in a factory to keep the factory running 24/7. This has nothing to do with hormonal cycles. If anything it is dehumanizing and sees people as machines, unthinking parts in a chain used to extract labour and value out of them, regardless of what gender the workers are. But we can't see it that way, because we have to frame everything from t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 04:04 PM |
| 2 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenIt's designed around a 24 hour work shift at a factory to keep it constantly running. This is not some kind of secret conspiracy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 03:57 PM |
| 1 | Men are not a monolith, but women are (according to the Greater Male Variability Hypothesis). 🔵BP constantly conflates the experiences and capabilities of High value vs. Low value menWhen I look at a system designed to benefit a class, I don't look at who's buried under the gears, I look to who's pulling them. But we don't know who the system is designed to benefit from. We're just looking at the consequences of the system. How could you assume that the class that benefits from the system, is the exact dame class that gets buried under the gears? Billionaires, Business moguls, War profiteers and governors, all predominantly men. And all a tiny mi uscule fraction of men. All … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 07:47 AM |
| 1 | Men are not a monolith, but women are (according to the Greater Male Variability Hypothesis). 🔵BP constantly conflates the experiences and capabilities of High value vs. Low value menWell yes. Imagine for a moment that women are not always the most oppressed and are not always the biggest victims. Imagine for a moment that we are observing reality for what it is, without imposing our judgement or pre-conceived notions on it. Imagine for a moment that we evaluate systems by the consequences it has. Imagine this system results on 80% of suicide victims being men, 80% of murder victims being men, 75%+ of the homeless being men, 95% of workplace fatalities being men, that men do… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 07:18 AM |
| 0 | Men are not a monolith, but women are (according to the Greater Male Variability Hypothesis). 🔵BP constantly conflates the experiences and capabilities of High value vs. Low value menSo basically you've got your blinders firmly screwed on, and you refuse to take them off, refuse to make thought experiments, and refuse to acknowledge the existence of those blinders. And you think you can have honest good faith discussions like this. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 06:56 AM |
| 4 | Men are not a monolith, but women are (according to the Greater Male Variability Hypothesis). 🔵BP constantly conflates the experiences and capabilities of High value vs. Low value menI am terribly sorry to hear. I've been through an abusive relationship that lasted 7 years, feels like I'm kinda barely out of teenage years myself despite turning 34. I hope you'll take the time to heal and make your own life better, and that you will find someone with whom you can feel comfortable and happy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 06:53 AM |
| 8 | Men are not a monolith, but women are (according to the Greater Male Variability Hypothesis). 🔵BP constantly conflates the experiences and capabilities of High value vs. Low value menI find it crazy that men here think there is no difference in the experiences of beautiful women vs. ugly women, or high value women vs. low value women. Apparently data shows that attractiveness has a huge impact on whether a man can find a partner, but lack of attractiveness doesn't really decrease a woman's ability to get a partner, just the calibre of partner she can get. Basically, getting a partner is not guaranteed for women, but it's a hell of a lot more certain than for men. So there is… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 06:52 AM |
| 3 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenThat "sweeping generalization" is directly the result of interacting with the average feminist. The ones that don't read a book of theory, the ones that don't take their time to examine issues systemically or their position within the system. It's the feminism discussed in internet forums or legacy media outlets. It's the propagandized, watered down theory that isn't grounded in any structural understanding of capital, patriarchy, or white supremacy. Well yes, that's the average feminist and the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 01:41 AM |
| – | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)You know, this is so incredibly tiring, that every time there is a discussion about men's issues and how men need help, it always gets blamed back on men. For some reason it's never appropriate to victim blame women, but victim blaming men is literally the default option whenever men's issues get raised. I agree that male on male emotional connection is hugely important and we need more of it. I can agree with this and still recognize that as a society, we have failed men. I can still recognize … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 01:21 AM |
| 1 | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)Thanks for the apology, and it's all good. Wasn't trying to blame you or anything, just wanted to try and clear up that misunderstanding. Because women aren't on dating apps. They flee them en masse. There are up to 9 men for 1 woman on some apps so it's likely your profile hasn't even been shown to many women at all. One exception is Bumble, and it's the only dating app on which women get to make the first move. So I disagree with your premise that this is something they don't like. I mean you'… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 01:14 AM |
| 2 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenYou seem to have conflated the idea of "the biggest victim" with "disproportionately harmed in all cases." That's the thing though. Women are not "dispropoirtionayely harmed in all cases". I'm pointing out there are a significant number of cases where it is in fact men who are disproportionately harmed, but because this doesn't fit into the "male oppressor female oppressed" narrative feminism wants to push, then those instances where men are being disproportionately harmed gets constantly and co… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/07/26 11:49 PM |
| 1 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenI also don't know what to tell you dawg. I keep quoting you facts, citing feminists, demonstrating what I mean with my points, and every time you just ignore it and move on to something else, like I didn't just disprove the other 10 points you brought up previously and ignored. but I haven't seen a feminist ever say that gender is the primary axis of oppression in all circumstances. Where have you been the last 100 years? Feminism has ALWAYS treated gender oppression as the single largest axis o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/07/26 11:32 PM |
| – | “Would you love me if I was (sic) a worm?” is the single most valid concern/insecurity women have and men should be ashamed for mocking them over itNo, she's supposed to act like an adult. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/07/26 09:01 PM |
| 1 | Has your past/current female partners wanted more or less sex than you?You're welcome and have a nice day as well. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/07/26 08:56 PM |
| 1 | Has your past/current female partners wanted more or less sex than you?I am genuinely happy for you, and the world needs more relationships like yours. Unfortunately most are not, and society doesn't seem to care about making relationships more equal and better for both partners, than it cares about making relationships better for women. I agree we have to do what is best for ourselves, but we also have to be aware of wider social issues, we can't just pretend they don't exist. Find what you want and leave everyone else tf alone. That would be better if as a societ… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/07/26 08:42 PM |
| 0 | Has your past/current female partners wanted more or less sex than you?Spontaneous, romantic things are chores for everyone. Spontaneous, romantic things are chores for everyone, but somehow men end up doing that chore far far far more than women. If people want to have an actual egalitarian relationship, rather than the old kind of patriarchal relationship, then either women need to do more romantic things for men, expect less from men, or at the very least be more appreciative rather than considering men doing romantic things for her the bare minimum. You want so… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/07/26 07:38 PM |
| 0 | Has your past/current female partners wanted more or less sex than you?I mean you're not wrong. It would just be nice if women in general could also understand that making spontaneous romantic things is a chore for men, and it's a chore well do despite the fact we don't like, because we would like to have sex. Women in general seem to act as though they want sex but would never do anything they don't like or consider a chore to get sex. I'm not saying women have to do more for men necessarily, but it would be nice if women could appreciate more the things men do fo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/07/26 06:19 PM |
| 2 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenThat is not evidence for what the majority of feminists believe. It's evidence that you've found examples that support your conclusion. I mean fair, Mary Koss and the Duluth model are not proof that the majority of feminists believe this. The fact the vast majority of feminists implicitly agree with and condone both however, is an indication that the vast majority of feminists agree with and condone the work of Mary Koss and of the Duluth model. So it's effectively a distinction without a differ… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/07/26 12:52 AM |
| 2 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenthen immediately follow it with "at its core feminism believes..." That's still a sweeping generalisation. Is that core generalization wrong? You're taking examples you dislike and declaring they represent the essence of an entire movement. No, I'm pointing out significant cases where feminism has not acted in favour of equality, feminism has acted in favour of INEQUALITY, wherever it benefits women, even if it harms men. That's kind of a big deal for a movement that claims to be all about equal… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/26 04:55 AM |
| 1 | Do women feel entitled to men's bodies?People can also choose to call out double standards and unfair social expectations. Feminism is literally doing this on behalf of women. We can do the same for men too. Don’t hang or talk to the women and men that don’t help. That’s the other thing people can do. This is also totally fair. You have a good night too. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/26 04:24 AM |
| – | Do women feel entitled to men's bodies?Damn bro, I love my fiancé too much to do him dirty like this to a bunch of strangers. I mean that shows you are one of the good ones, but the vast majority of people who go on the internet and disparage their significant other, are not men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/26 04:23 AM |
| – | Do women feel entitled to men's bodies?I'd much prefer if men weren't the main reason to need protection in the first place. Men are not the main reason to need protection in the first place. A tiny minority of men are. The "men protect" argument always sounds like one of those mafia goons telling someone about how their store is nice and it would be a shame if something happened to it. You know you can just say you hate men. You get no gold stars for offering protection when you're the reason why it's needed to begin with You're pai… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/26 04:22 AM |
| – | Do women feel entitled to men's bodies?And here in lies the problem, not you or I know every man or woman, so we don’t know what the majority of anyone does. Crazy how that works. Well see we can look at what is happening in society in general and broader trends. We're not limited to having information only about the people immediately around us. So that's not really a problem at all. Like I said, everyone should everyone, period. And if you don’t want to, continue being a jerk, and good people will know to stay away from those. I ag… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/26 04:19 AM |
| – | Do women feel entitled to men's bodies?I'm not saying no men help anyone, ironically enough men are told to help everyone, while women largely only help people they know and care about. So men start doing the same and only hep people they know and care about. And all of a sudden it's a problem when men do the exact same thing most women are already doing. Because the problem is the "rules for thee but not for me" mentality, where men are expected to do things to help women out, while women declare that not only do they have no obliga… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/26 04:00 AM |
| 1 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenI'm not saying that this is ALL of what feminism is. I'm simply saying that at its core, feminism treats equality like a one-way street exclusively to women's benefit. I'm glad you agree that some feminist ideas and policies deserve criticism. The problem is that most feminist criticism has to do with implementing ideas better according to feminism, and has virtually no criticism whatsoever for how male victims are erased, dismissed, or ignored. That's kind of the problem. Where is the outrage t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/26 03:52 AM |
| – | Do women feel entitled to men's bodies?You can only control yourself and those in your inner circle, but if you are trying to push for wider social changes (like getting everyone to help everyone else more) then you also have to understand the realities of the wider social situation you are trying to change. And the reality of the wider social situation is that largely women do not want to help men and will not help men, but demand that men help women. And that kind of one-sided equality exclusively to women's benefit is everywhere i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/26 03:45 AM |
| – | Do women feel entitled to men's bodies?I mean they are, but good luck getting the 75% of women who are wrong, to change their mind. The gender gap in empathy is real. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/how-do-life/202004/the-gender-gap-in-empathy | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/26 03:39 AM |
| – | Do women feel entitled to men's bodies?I mean I agree with you that everyone should help. Most women have made it clear they don't care about men and don't want to help men though. So everyone should help, but the axis of who will actually end up being expected to help is largely going to be not women. And any effort to try and change that is going to be strenuously opposed by feminists. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/26 03:38 AM |
| 1 | Men are told to open up more. The only thing they open up about is women not fucking them. And then wonder why it's backfiring 🤦♂️Look, you can identify a speck of red sand on a black sand beach, but what you're doing is looking at all the red sand and ignoring the black sand, and saying "see it's all red". Well of course what you see is all red, you picked out the red and ignored the black sand. If I wasn’t bored with this interaction I’d ask if you would like to discuss male patterns of behaviour but it would likely just hurt your feelings and make you go “but women” again? I actually wouldn't mind having this kind of di… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/26 06:32 PM |
| 1 | Men are told to open up more. The only thing they open up about is women not fucking them. And then wonder why it's backfiring 🤦♂️And also yes you’re getting it most men are not stoic they just claim to be (my point). But you can't know that since you only look at the men who aren't being stoic while you completely ignore the men who ARE being stoic. I’d go further and suggest most men have never even read into the philosophy of stoicism. I mean I agree with you, but most people just don't read into philosophy, period. Without even looking into data on male patterns of behaviour you can just take a population sample of PPD… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/26 04:57 PM |
| 1 | Men are told to open up more. The only thing they open up about is women not fucking them. And then wonder why it's backfiring 🤦♂️You used the word failures buddy. You know that's kinda fair, I meant failure as in the opposite of success, as in the opposite of surviving, when I'm pointing out how you do the opposite of the survivorship bias. I didn't mean to say that men are failures, I was pointing out the men who fail to be stoic according to you. And it’s funny that you prove the point that men see being stoic as an identity claim rather than actually being stoic. Not sure what you mean here. Actually being stoic is ass… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/26 02:54 PM |
| 3 | Men are told to open up more. The only thing they open up about is women not fucking them. And then wonder why it's backfiring 🤦♂️Where did you glean hate from my observations that’s very testerical. When you said "I don’t and have never observed men to be stoic and actually bottling shit up. They walk around like a dark cloud and expect people to tolerate it. Then when they have tantrums it’s a crisis and everyone else’s problem." and when I pointed out how you ignore all the successfully stoic men, and you're only looking at the men who you call failures. Women aren’t the ones doing logical gender ™ and then going home r… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/26 05:05 AM |
| 2 | Men are told to open up more. The only thing they open up about is women not fucking them. And then wonder why it's backfiring 🤦♂️Happy to hear you are happily married! And struggling but still trying is absolutely better than not trying, struggling is a sign there is a will to improve :) May you and your husband live long and prosper :) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/26 01:35 AM |
| 1 | Men are told to open up more. The only thing they open up about is women not fucking them. And then wonder why it's backfiring 🤦♂️You are a rare breed of woman indeed then because most women do not like bi guys at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/26 01:34 AM |
| 2 | Men are told to open up more. The only thing they open up about is women not fucking them. And then wonder why it's backfiring 🤦♂️You are not interested in men either, you are just interested in hating men. I do know most men are failures by way of observation. Funny, if I said I know all women are whores by way of observation, will you agree with me? You’re unreliable narrators. Right, but you and other women are not. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/26 01:34 AM |
| 3 | Men are told to open up more. The only thing they open up about is women not fucking them. And then wonder why it's backfiring 🤦♂️You can't know that most men are failures, because you aren't even looking at most men, you are exclusively looking at the men who failed and ignoring the men who succeeded. It would be like if I went and looked exclusively at hookers, and then concluded that all women are whores. The narrative just allows very OPEN emotional behaviour to be excused, ignored or accepted when coming from a man. And you have no idea how much more restricted the narrative is for men, compared to the wide variety of… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/26 12:00 AM |
| 3 | Men are told to open up more. The only thing they open up about is women not fucking them. And then wonder why it's backfiring 🤦♂️Totally fair on the screaming at you, threatening you, banging or throwing things, those are all completely unacceptable. It's childish temper tantrum behaviour and unacceptable. I am sorry to hear you had to deal with that with your ex, nobody deserves to be afraid from their partner in a healthy relationship. I am happy you found a better guy and it sounds like he is lucky to have you as well. Unfortunately it seems somewhere around more than 50% of women have a very hard time tolerating their… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 11:47 PM |
| 1 | Men are told to open up more. The only thing they open up about is women not fucking them. And then wonder why it's backfiring 🤦♂️Ah then yeah that guy in particular is behaving like an emotionally mature kid. Sorry you had to go through that, but that's just the one guy, it has little to no relevance about men in general. Feel free to say how that guy was a jerk, but again, it has nothing to do with the other 99.99% of men. When I told him “you need to get over it or stop coming over” I was the bad guy Yeah that's a common reaction from people who have poor emotional control, they blame everyone else as bad because others… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 09:49 PM |
| 4 | Men are told to open up more. The only thing they open up about is women not fucking them. And then wonder why it's backfiring 🤦♂️And I'm saying if men suffer in silence, how will you know they're suffering? You won't, because they're suffering in silence. What you're describing is quite literally the opposite of survivorship bias. You are looking at the failures, because of course the men who are successfully stoic, are being silent, and thus you do not see their suffering. Your entire point is literally built on a sampling bias. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 09:43 PM |
| 1 | Men are told to open up more. The only thing they open up about is women not fucking them. And then wonder why it's backfiring 🤦♂️Feel free to explain how, your reply is so unrelated to what I said I'm half convinced you replied to the wrong comment by accident. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 09:24 PM |
| 2 | Men are told to open up more. The only thing they open up about is women not fucking them. And then wonder why it's backfiring 🤦♂️I mean that's totally fair, but how do you define what kind of anger men can express that doesn't scare you? Because there are women who will find ANY kind of anger whatsoever from a man scary. If you can truly handle however men open up without demands and they can be themselves completely, then congratulations you are a rare breed of woman. Whoever you are with will be lucky to be with you. Unfortunately, 75%+ of women are not like you and cannot or will not tolerate men opening up in any way … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 09:23 PM |
| 4 | Men are told to open up more. The only thing they open up about is women not fucking them. And then wonder why it's backfiring 🤦♂️Well see the problem is if he opens up he likely won't get help, and he would be pushing that shit down and holding frame, except now he can't because he's at his limit. You're telling him basically to man up or open up, except odds are everyone he's opened up to has used that to hurt him back in some way. And if you behaved the same you'd expect him to have compassion and understanding for you, but you don't seem to have much for him, which points to why it would be a bad idea for him to open u… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 09:18 PM |
| 2 | Men are told to open up more. The only thing they open up about is women not fucking them. And then wonder why it's backfiring 🤦♂️I don’t and have never observed men to be stoic and actually bottling shit up. T Well of course you haven't. Because if men are stoic and actually bottle shit up, you won't see it. It's like saying "I've never seen any invisible ghosts". Well of course, if I had seen those ghosts, they wouldn't be invisible at all now would they? They walk around like a dark cloud and expect people to tolerate it. Then when they have tantrums it’s a crisis and everyone else’s problem. I mean you're not wrong but… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 09:14 PM |
| 1 | Men are told to open up more. The only thing they open up about is women not fucking them. And then wonder why it's backfiring 🤦♂️You know you are right, it is not all women. Unfortunately you are the exception that confirms the rule. It's only 75%+ of women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 09:05 PM |
| 4 | Men are told to open up more. The only thing they open up about is women not fucking them. And then wonder why it's backfiring 🤦♂️Right, so you want him to open up to you, but only in a way that you feel comfortable about and never makes you feel u comfortable. So you want him to put up an emotional performance for your benefit. You don't want him to open up A man expressing anger sometimes makes me feel afraid and unsafe, that's the difference. Congrats, life makes us feel afraid and unsafe, and it's your responsibility to deal with your own feelings, not demand everyone else accommodates your feelings because you can't h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 09:00 PM |
| 2 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenIf a white woman screamed at a cookout that a black man attacked her, is she the biggest victim when the police get involved? Of course, she is a woman, therefore she must be believed (#believewomen) and she is the biggest victim by default. If she made a mistake, it was an honest mistake, and you can't hold her accountable because women get constantly attacked and abused and it is only right women defend themselves. And women would never be racist or make false allegations ever, anyone who impl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 06:22 AM |
| 2 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenSee I want to read her as well, "The will to change" has been on my reading list for a while. The problem is that every single time bell hooks is brought up, it's basically as a dismissal to say "see feminism cares about men, bell hooks wrote a book about it 20 years ago, now shut up". The problem is that, if absolutely nothing has happened since in those last 20 years then it clearly shows that caring about men is pretty damn close to dead last in terms of priorities for feminism. These are con… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 06:00 AM |
| 2 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenBecause you're right in the sense that there is a two-tiered system at play, and you're correct that men are penalized under patriarchy, but I'm not sure why it is so important for you to use the same language in order to describe two separate states of oppression? Because the double standard lies precisely in the assumption that women must always be oppressed while men cannot be oppressed, which leads to the two-tiered system. It's not that reality has a two-tiered system of oppression, it's th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 05:40 AM |
| 1 | Women Aren't the great Communicators They Think They AreI am curious if it is really that you cannot find a person like that, or you behave in ways that induce this kind of response. Like, if you are demeaning to your partner, she will get angry. But who actually started a drama here - you or her? Great question. Are men truly assholes, or are women assholes to men, and when men respond in kind, women then act like they've being victimized? How about we stop trying to pin the blame on people depending on what's in their pants, and start holding peopl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 04:42 AM |
| 2 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenIt's not that it's not worth an academic discussion, it's that it's not allowed as a discussion at all, period, and any attempt to point out the huge double standards and anti-male bias gets painted as misogynistic and anti-feminist, and therefore not even worth recognizing as a serious discussion. And sweeping problems under the rug doesn't make those problems disappear, it just makes them fester and spread. Speaking from purely material consequences, the patriarchy hurts everyone, it's just th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 04:36 AM |
| 2 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenbut when discussing systemic issues, it's important to have a framework for what consistently generates outcomes. That's how coherence is established. I mean I agree with you here, the part I disagree with us the feminist framework that consistently generate the coherent outcomes that women are always the most oppressed victims in history, that masculinity and maleness is never oppressed or cause for oppression, and that there are never any benefits or privileges to being a woman or femininity. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 02:35 AM |
| 2 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenSure, my understanding might be lacking, and if so feel free to point out how and where. Per feminists and the Titanic it kind of depends, if they're actually egalitarian they'd probably say children first, then men and women evenly, but odds are most feminists will be pro women and children first and will use some kind of egalitarian sounding rationalization to justify benefiting from the privileges of chivalry. Do you believe they wouldn't recognize the devaluation of men in that context as an… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/26 11:26 PM |
| 2 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenI mean I agree that gender impacts people in society, I just disagree with the feminist position that being a woman is always a disadvantage in every single situation and always lacking in power compared to men, while being a man is always a benefit and a privilege no matter what. It's kind of funny too because feminism is completely colour blind to the issues men face and their wilful ignorance of men's issues actively entrenches men's issues further. So you're kind of blaming me for the very t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/26 09:45 PM |
| 2 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenThe oppressed rich wife is living a better life than the richest coal miner because she's rich. Precisely, her class is a better indicator of the struggles she faces than her gender. If a coalminer dies, his wife is damned to follow soon after because of her financial dependence on her husband, but if she dies, her husband can still work and sustain himself. And it'd a good thing that historically and to this day 95% of workplace fatalities are men. The woman whose husband died could remarry and… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/26 07:23 PM |
| 3 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenI mean I do, but the problem is that I don't treat the economic outcomes like a one way street to only consider women's issues while ignoring men's issues. The wage gap has been debunked, and 99.5% of the wage gap is explained by the personal choices people make. It wasn't always like that, but as a society we recognized that was a problem and fixed it, and now that problem no longer exists. Despite that feminism constantly brings up the wage gap, pooling all women vs all men and completely igno… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/26 05:04 PM |
| 2 | There are some fundamental social differences between men and women which cause relationship building friction.You've just been socialized that it is unsafe (by each other) Nope. Men are not socialized that sharing feelings is unsafe. Men are actively punished for showing feelings from a young age, often from their own mother, and then from other women in their lives. https://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/article/boys-dont-cry-study-suggests-mothers-not-fathers-show-gender-bias-towards-sons/ Brenée brown, leading expert on vulnerability, also has a bit on that. https://www.ted.com/talks/brene_brown_listening_t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/26 08:18 AM |
| 2 | There are some fundamental social differences between men and women which cause relationship building friction.Men are not taught that feelings are bad. Men are punished for showing feelings from a young age, often from their own mother, and then from other women in their lives. https://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/article/boys-dont-cry-study-suggests-mothers-not-fathers-show-gender-bias-towards-sons/ Brenée brown, leading expert on vulnerability, also has a bit on that. https://www.ted.com/talks/brene_brown_listening_to_shame?nolanguage=en For men, shame is not a bunch of competing, conflicting expectations.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/26 08:12 AM |
| 7 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenDo you know of any egalitarian social theories? Secular humanism. Feminism was established in an attempt to push against an already existing power imbalance, an imbalance which still persists today. Well yes because it just flat-out assumes that there is always and always will be a power imbalance against women, which is why it constantly and relentlessly pushes for always more for women. Equality means you have to go up to the half-way line to where things are equal, and then you stop. If you j… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/26 06:58 AM |
| 3 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenGender and class are not incompatible points of comparison, but they are not equivalent and interchangeable. You can absolutely compare gender and class, but they are not the same and cannot be treated the same. The scope of experiences of people within the same class is much more similar and people behave more the same and have the same experiences, than trying to pool half the people on the planet together based solely on their genitals. The poor coal miner and the poor coalminer's wife have f… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/26 05:42 AM |
| 6 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenI'll do you one better, wikipedia puts both definitions side by side. The term patriarchy is used both in anthropology to describe a family or clan controlled by the father or eldest male or group of males, and in feminist theory to describe a broader social structure in which men as a group dominate society. Sociology denotes that a patriarchy is due to the patriarch having the power, and the patriarch is a single man who is at the head of the household. This means that inherently most men do n… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/26 12:47 AM |
| 4 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenIsn't gauging what people think and believe a faith based analysis? No we quite literally have scientific domains for that, called psychology and sociology. It shouldn't really come as a surprise that feminism also runs afoul of both of those scientific fields. In as much as sociology uses the term "patriarchy" it has nothing to do with how feminism uses the word, and in as much as feminism uses the term "patriarchy" it is unfalsifiable and unscientific and has basically nothing to do with the s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/26 12:31 AM |
| 13 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenAlmost. They define manhood as opposition to femininity, but they didn't bother to ask men how men defined masculinity, women defined masculinity for men, and defined femininity with the most bad faith interpretation of how they thought men saw femininity. So they have a gross caricature of both masculinity and femininity, claim that this is how men see things and this is the justification men have used to build society and oppress women. Whenever men disagree with the gross caricature feminism … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/26 12:14 AM |
| 12 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenThere's plenty of feminist history where black feminists have been consistently left in the lurch once the majority of an organization's demands have been met. Very true, and I find it funny that they blame "white feminism" for the black feminists being left hanging, and then blame it on whiteness and white men, when it was white WOMEN who failed black feminists. But it's funny that if you ever call it white WOMEN feminism, to point out how it's the mostly white female feminism who used to be ra… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/26 11:47 PM |
| 10 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenWhy yes, intersectionality means we have to consider every possible axis of oppression in all circumstances, while keeping in mind that whiteness, maleness, being cis, and heterosexuality, is always a privilege no matter what, and being female is always a huge axis of oppression no matter what. The anti-oppressive context is that cis het white men and everything they built is the main axis of oppression, and that women are the main victims in just about every circumstance. So it's basically more… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/26 10:54 PM |
| 11 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenThe problem is that feminism treats equality like a one way street exclusively to the benefit of women. Feminism is literally rebranded Marxism, except it replaces the oppression of the proletariat by the bourgeoisie and seizing the means of production, with the oppression of women by men and seizing the means of reproduction. Feminism treats gender like a class, which is completely inappropriate, and the entire ideology is based on the unscientific and unfounded principle that the patriarchy is… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/26 09:54 PM |
| 14 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenI believe women identifying as feminists deserve benefit of doubt and presumption of being egalitarian not cakist or misandrist. If 95% of feminists are cakists or misandrist or both, why does the 5% deserve the benefit of the doubt? If they're a tiny minority (and they are) wouldn't it be on them to show that they are different from the overwhelming majority of people who also use the feminist label? Community that she leads always shunned misandry. In particular she debunked vulgar understandi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/26 09:50 PM |
| 2 | Women Love Objectification, When It Benefits ThemMen would hate objectification too if it usually came with harassment, poor treatment, and being turned into a pariah while not being able to do anything about it. I mean that's kinda the male lived experience in dating anyways. Just ask Norah Vincent. But since men don't receive those consequences, they don't understand that other people do receive those consequences. And similarly, there are a ton of issues problems and consequences that men face that women don't, and so women don't understand… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/26 09:40 PM |
| 1 | I don’t want to give him “that satisfaction” is one of the most overlooked power dynamics in dating.“I don’t want to give him the satisfaction” is usually said towards someone she's already in some sort of relationship with, not a stranger Could be true, but it's still about keeping power and keeping an upper hand. This is not the mentality of someone who cooperates with their partner, this is the mentality of someone who ants power over their partner. It's kinda funny how it's said that men have the power and men want power, and there are a TON of social power games women constantly play on m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/26 09:37 PM |
| 7 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpMy request has been very valid. This is a preventative procedure. So I want to see the stats on prevention. This is a preventative procedure being claimed to cause damage. I want to see the stats on damage. I do not currently accept the anecdotal remarks of a single man who is already mentally unwell and also DID NOT KILL HIMSELF OR HE COULD NOT HAVE GIVEN THE REMARK as strong evidence a preventative program meant to prevent the murder of women and children should be done away with. Let's try it… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/26 02:14 AM |
| 8 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpWell of course you don't see harm, the harm done to men gets constantly erased and dismissed. 35%+ of the victims of "violence against women" in the UK are men. Male rape victims in the US get completely erased from rape statistics because it gets called "made to penetrate" instead. Feminist domestic abuse "experts" constantly and consistently underplay and dismiss male domestic abuse victims. The Commission on Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women in Canada found that indigenous women were sign… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/26 01:32 AM |
| 4 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpA big part of my job is keeping people from ending up there, and that means following the evidence without bias. Right, and this means following the evidence without bias that less than 1 in 100 suicidal men are a danger to anyone but themselves, right? It also means making the jobs of first responders as safe as possible. You can’t ignore the evidence that suicidal men are frequently violent towards others just because it hurts feelings. One in ten is a risk that needs to mitigated. Except it's… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 11:32 PM |
| 2 | Women detest men who “just want to have sex” yet live exactly like that from age 18 to 32 or so.But way too many men are overly pushy and/or manipulative trying to get laid. This is true. It is also true that there are way too many manipulative women who want to dodge responsibility and accountability and blame men for everything. Both genders have failings. We should be able to recognize that and acknowledge that, without blaming everything on either gender and pretending like the other is blameless. Unfortunatley that is EXACTLY what feminism tries to do, to paint everything as men's fau… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 11:21 PM |
| 4 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpOh for sure. Absolutely no accountability for women and everything bad must always be men's fault, because men are the oppressors while women are oppressed, and men set up the patriarchy to benefit men at women's expense, don'tcha know. Gotta love the double standards. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 10:42 PM |
| 4 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpCompletely agree. As they say, actions speak louder than words. I like to tell feminists that if I call myself a pacifist, but I punch everyone in the face who disagrees with me, would they agree with my words or my actions? So when they say feminism claims to be about equality, and you see feminism's actions constantly and consistently erasing male victims, do they believe feminism's words or feminism's actions? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 10:41 PM |
| 3 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpThere's a difference between treating all suicidal victims as potentially dangerous for the sake of first respondent safety, and explicitly treating male suicide victims (and only male suicide victims) as a loaded weapon. You also didn't explain what the point of bringing up a conspiracy nut into the discussion about male suicide victims. I can only assume it is because you truly and genuinely have so little sympathy for male suicide victims and are fine with painting male suicide victims (and o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 09:55 PM |
| 3 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpGreat, so now we're treating suicidal men like they are loaded weapons. Totally not dehumanizing and problematic at all to label victims (and only male victims) as loaded weapons. Per Desi freeman, I don't see how a conspiracy nut on the run compares to suicidal men. Are you really so devoid of empathy for anyone born with a penis that you are willing to paint all suicidal men in the worst light possible? And they say women are the more empathetic sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 08:49 PM |
| 9 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpEverything feminists say and do comes from the basic ideological commitment to the idea that men are the violent oppressors and women are the innocent victims. It's basically Marxism rebranded, replacing the oppression of the proletariat by the bourgeoisie and seizing the means of production, with the oppression of women by men and seizing the means of reproduction. Anything that doesn't confirm to that faith-based ideological position must be dismissed, ignored, invalidated, erased, or discredi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 08:03 PM |
| 5 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpSo if the policy informed by serial killers is that most serial killers are men, does they mean we ought to treat ALL men as possible serial killers? Or should we recognize that even though most serial killers are men, the overwhelming majority of men are NOT serial killers, and treating all men like serial killers would do far more harm than good? If violent, family killing men are less offensive to you than men being screened for signs of this, then you really need to touch grass. And if treat… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 06:09 PM |
| 3 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpHaha thanks. I also love how it short circuits some people who think that feminism must be egalitarian, so how can I be anti feminist but also egalitarian. Definitely agree with you we need more egalitarianism and less feminism. Feminism treats equality like a one way street exclusively to women's benefit, and that's not equality at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 06:01 PM |
| 7 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpThose feminists say they are egalitarian, but how many of them are aware that men make up half the domestic abuse victims, that male rape victims get systematically erased from rape data due to the CDC calling it "made to penetrate", that fathers do not have the same right to see their own children as mothers do in 44 out of 50 states, and that men have no reproductive rights whatsoever, so that a man who is raped by a woman can get sued by his rapist for child support if she impregnated herself… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 05:49 PM |
| 3 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpFunnily enough it was feminists whom I heard this from first, and red pillers saying that if men are willing to lie to women about how he's into astrology, reishi, new age Woo, and other nonsense to get into her pants, of course some men would lie about feminism to get into women's pants. And then the feminists doubled down on how all men must be suspected of supporting feminism just to get sex and that no man could possibly support feminism because they care about women. The red pill pointed ou… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 05:31 PM |
| 14 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpWhat about the fact that domestic abuse is gender neutral, since half the domestic abuse is bidirectional and 75% of unidirectional domestic abuse is female on male? https://np.reddit.com/r/TheTinMen/comments/1ooxfm9/an_advanced_guide_to_intimate_partner_violence/ | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 05:27 PM |
| 4 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpThe thing is, "radical feminists" is by definition any feminist who believes in the patriarchy. Therefore, the overwhelming majority of feminists, are radical feminists by definition. When you refuse to concede an inch in any argument, you undermine your credibility. That's what we see in radical feminists: a pathological inability to consider any aspect of life where they might not be oppressed victims. I mean you're not wrong but it's a core tenet of feminism that women are always and forever … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 05:09 PM |
| 2 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpThanks for the link, I'd been looking for a concise article debunking the bullshit UK violence against women nonsense. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 03:58 PM |
| 7 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpYou apparently don't seem to care about how many suicidal men have been harmed by this policy. Given its 125 to 1, it's a LOT of suicidal men you're willing to throw under the bus to MAYBE prevent one incident. And they say women are the more empathetic sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 03:54 PM |
| 5 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpAnd yet it is perfectly in line with the feminist belief that men intrinsically hate women and/or want to oppress women and that men can only be redeemed or reformed if they support feminism, but even then feminist men must still constantly be kept under scrutiny to make sure they don't back slide into their brutish male ways, or make sure the feminist men aren't just faking it to have sex with women. I didn't write the book on how feminism considers men to be forever tainted by the sin of being… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 03:53 PM |
| 9 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpThe correlation of men who ideate about suicide, and men who perpetrate family violence, is a known connection. Not all suicidal men, mind you, but there's a connection. By that same standard, there's a correlation between violence and having a penis. Should we pre emptively put every man in jail ahead of time to prevent crimes? Or can we recognize these a gross violation of I tellectual honesty here because we don't give a damn how many innocent men are harmed and the only thing that matters is… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 03:50 PM |
| 6 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpI make sure to quote Mary Koss' atrocious statements whenever I can, with a handy link to the wiki page on her career. I also link how the Duluth model is pseudo scientific garbage cooked up by feminists based on feminists principle AS QUOTED BY THE FOUNDER OF THE PROGRAM, also on the wiki page for the Duluth model, and that nobody had ever apologized or taken accountability for the incredible harm Koss and the Duluth model have caused and continues to harm. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 03:43 PM |
| 5 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpResearch estimates that approximately 60% to 80% of family annihilators are suicidal men who intend to die, or do die, by suicide following the murders. And research indicates the majority of serial killers are men, that doesn't mean all men should be treated as serial killers by default. Most familily annihilators might be suicidal men, but if family annihilators are less than 5% of al suicidal men then why would we treat the other 95% of suicidal men like family annihilators? It makes no sense… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 03:39 PM |
| 6 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpOP: Australian feminist legislation unfairly portrays suicidal men as perpetrators using dodgy data to push the feminist narrative that erases make victims and wants to only ever paint men as perpetrators. You: The cop asked if anyone was at risk, which is a huge step up from the usual doing nothing and wringing hands after a family annihilator does his annihilating. It honestly never ceases to amaze me how often I see women proving the very point they are arguing against, with their own attempt… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 03:34 PM |
| 19 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpBad science and disregarding domestic abuse commited by women isn't good for anyone. I mean you are completely right, but bad science and disregarding domestic abuse committed by women has been the feminist modus operandi for the past 50+ years. It is the same with the Duluth model, it is the same with abused UK men being victims of "violence against women", it was the same with Erin Pizzey being driven out of England by feminists for daring to open up a shelter for male victims despite she was … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 03:28 PM |
| 2 | Real issues get dismissed as hate because people are biasedHaha thanks, I try! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 02:25 AM |
| 2 | Real issues get dismissed as hate because people are biasedThat's totally fair and I would normally agree haha, but the amount of people who see these comments is usually so low that it's not really worth it, and it's taking way too much time and energy from my life that I should spend on improving myself and my own life. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 02:25 AM |
| 7 | How do you explain the "Dark Romance" Boom?But at the end of the day though is he still treated like human? No, he's treated like a plot device for her benefit. You didn’t even deny that women aren’t treated as human in the story or a valid character, you just “but women’s stories also…” Well yeah, I'm not denying it, because there are a lot of wish fulfilment fantasies men write that are genuinely awful. I don't deny that. You seem to deny that women do the exact same thing though, and that's the difference. It's the literal epitome of … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 02:24 AM |
| 4 | How do you explain the "Dark Romance" Boom?Yeah no, women imagine that's just "men treating them well", when it's actually objectifying him to turn him into a validation machine. Women judge that men wanting women to serve them is seen as wrong and immoral and sexist and misogynistic. But many men fantasize of serving women as well, and somehow that's seen as moral and fair and right. You can't just look at the best from women and ignore the worst, and look at the worst from men and ignore the best, and pretend like that's an accurate re… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 02:23 AM |
| – | Women detest men who “just want to have sex” yet live exactly like that from age 18 to 32 or so.Clown world isn't it. In many ways it's just pandering to women's feelings and fear mongering, while ignoring actual statistics showing women are often safer than they fear, and that men are significantly LESS safe than what women believe. But of course anything that goes against what women want to believe must be wrong and misogynistic, and everything must be men's fault. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 02:18 AM |
| 3 | Real issues get dismissed as hate because people are biasedI know feminism assumes that men cannot be victims simply because men are born with a penis. Do you think that a man who gets raped and abused by a woman, is not a victim, because he is born with a penis? According to feminist Mary Koss, he was not raped, he was "made to penetrate". According to the UK, the man was a victim of "violence against women". So do you think this man who was raped and abused by a woman, is not a victim, just because he was born with a penis? Or do you have more ethical… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 02:11 AM |
| 3 | Real issues get dismissed as hate because people are biasedIf feminism doesn't demonise men despite feminism calls men the oppressors, despite not stand against the "man vs bear" thing, despite not call out the #notallmenbutalwaysaman bullshit, despite feminism actively erasing the fact that half the domestic abuse victims are men and near half the rape victims are men, then I shudder to imagine what it would look like if feminism DID demonize men. Actively lynching men in the streets? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 02:10 AM |
| – | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenIs that really the only thing you got from my comment? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 02:06 AM |
| 3 | Real issues get dismissed as hate because people are biasedYou are hyerfocusing on the outliers to justify hatred of the whole. Well no, because Ellen Pence was the co-founder of the Domestic Abuse Intervention Program, which started the Duluth program, the world's largest police training program on domestic abuse. She said By determining that the need or desire for power was the motivating force behind battering, we created a conceptual framework that, in fact, did not fit the lived experience of many of the men and women we were working with. The DAIP… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/26 06:52 PM |
| 8 | How do you explain the "Dark Romance" Boom?Here’s the difference, in even dark romance, male lead characters are humanized, not objectified Disagree. Men are objectified as success objects, and many of those male lead characters have very little beyond what's needed to serve as a means to an end for the female character. Just because men are objectified differently from women, does not mean men are not objectified. They have their own backstory. There is reasoning. Well yes, but more often than not it's either a tragic backstory for her … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/26 06:45 PM |
| 3 | Real issues get dismissed as hate because people are biasedI don't like to read people's comment history, I try and give everyone a chance, but for every hundred convos there are one or two where I can actually change people'sminds. I spent too much time here, trying to get rid of that addiction but it's not easy :p | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/26 06:40 PM |
| 1 | Real issues get dismissed as hate because people are biasedMaybe if feminism stopped demonizing men and started considering men like actual human beings deserving of empathy and sympathy it would have better luck getting men in board. I'm not the one turning helping people into a zero sum game, feminism is. There are feminist abuse shelters who said that if the state spent money on shelters for male victims, that would be less money for women, and that's bad. The Spanish minister for equality said spending money on a male rape crisis centre would be a f… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/26 04:43 PM |
| 2 | Most women have someone.That's kind of the funny thing, feminism doesn't really try and define what power men have, because every attempt to define power would very quickly show that all the power "men" have usually boils down to either rich and powerful men having all the power while the vast majority of men who are no rich have none, or it boils down to "power" in a relational setting where they completely and deliberately ignore any and all soft power the women have. So either way it's just a by fiat baseless assert… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/26 04:39 PM |
| 0 | Real issues get dismissed as hate because people are biasedI mean I also agree there are many double standards that affect women negatively. The difference is there is a multi billion dollar international political organization called feminism already calling those out. I agree with them in the cases they point out double standards that negatively affect women, there's already a legion of people doing that work. In contrast it seems nobody cares when double standards negatively affects men, and ironically enough least of all feminism. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/26 04:33 PM |
| 2 | Are you sure size doesn't matter?It is for equality by ending the subjugation of the oppressed class (women). Are women really oppressed though? Or are we just defining it by fiat, looking for proof, and ignoring any and all proof that men could be oppressed? Men are already advantaged and from an equality perspective they don't need even more unearned help. Is this true or is this assumed? I'd think the fact men are 75% of the homeless, 80% of the suicide victims, 95% of workplace fatalities, that boys are being failed by the … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/26 04:30 PM |
| 0 | Real issues get dismissed as hate because people are biasedActually, you saying it's not fine when anyone does it acrually answers my question pretty well. I agree it's not fine when anyone does it. Hopefully we can eventually g et society to stop being fine when feminism does it too. You perceive your problems to be worse because they're yours. That doesn't invalidate the problems others experience. I mean generally I agree, but when men talk about their problems they're told they're exaggerating and their problems can be that bad, but any man saying t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/26 04:20 PM |
| 7 | How do you explain the "Dark Romance" Boom?I mean I agree with you that the logic is flawed. But for some reason when there are romance fantasy books for men, that's a sign that men are patriarchal and misogynistic. But women's romance novels with 50 shades is complete fantasy and is in no way shape or form an indication of what women are actually like. There's an odd double standard there. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/26 04:10 PM |
| 5 | Women detest men who “just want to have sex” yet live exactly like that from age 18 to 32 or so.Completely agree and I wish more people saw it that way. I didn't read your flair, I thought you were a woman, and was really surprised to see you agreeing with me there haha. Let's all agree to fight and call put stupid generalizations! Just a shame that feminism is kinda heavily pushing for more stupid generalization of men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/26 04:00 PM |
| 0 | Real issues get dismissed as hate because people are biasedThe second you even hint that your problems are "worse" than any other group, you're forcing people to reckon with your ego, not the topic at hand. But when women and feminists do it, that's fine? You could have very easily discussed the issues men face without bringing women into the conversation at all. But when women and feminists do it, it's fine? The comparison is where you ruined your own argument. Why? Comparing lived experiences is how we discover if something is not equal. Have we not b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/26 03:46 PM |
| 8 | Women detest men who “just want to have sex” yet live exactly like that from age 18 to 32 or so.I mean we're still generalizing all men, so it seems to be fair. The vast majority of men aren't rapists or abusers, and yet most men still get treated like they potentially might be rapists or abusers until or unless proven otherwise. Bit of an odd double standard isn't it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/26 03:40 PM |
| 3 | Most women have someone.Everyone has power over their own choices and actions. Pretending otherwise is actively disempowering oneself. I agree with you that there's significantly less power to chance society as a whole, but for some reason we refuse to acknowledge that in society most men have just as little power as most women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/26 03:16 PM |
| 2 | Are you sure size doesn't matter?I expect feminism to be about helping men because feminism claims to be about equality and claims to help men. I'm just holding feminism accountable to its own word. If feminism wants to ditch equality and say they're a female supremacist movement I'd be totally fine with that, but they can't treat equality like a one-way street exclusively to the benefit of women, and then turn around and say they're for equality. Women already help men plenty and bend over backwards making sacrifices for men. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/26 03:15 PM |
| 4 | Most women have someone.Men lament this phenomenon of women constantly getting attention and dates and having their lifestyles funded, even if they are awful people. Which tbh is overblowing it a little. But I’ll concede that there are a lot more desperate men than desperate women. Honestly, just being able to recognize this and assess the situation fairly is better than most people can do, so kudos to you for that. I generally agree. Blaming women for men giving them attention and dating them no matter what is silly a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/26 04:57 AM |
| 1 | Most women have someone.I mean there's nothing wrong about casually talking to a potential romantic interest, just gotta remember that that potential romantic interest is a human being with feelings too. So long as we remember that and don't treat other people as a means to an end (they're a "potential romantic interest" more than a person worthy of respect and dignity) then it's all good. And this applies to men and women! Whatever "power" women have over men has been willingly given so it's actually infantalizing men… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/26 02:01 AM |
| 2 | Most women have someone.Should we not blame the women for their own shitty behaviour? It sounds kinda victim-blamey to say "it's your own fault for being a doormat, the women did nothing wrong, we're only holding men accountable because men choose to endure the shitty behaviour". With great power comes great responsibility. Should we not hold women equally accountable for how they choose to use their power, the exact same way we should hold men accountable for how men choose to use their power? Or should we infantilize… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/26 01:19 AM |
| 7 | Most women have someone.Blame men for putting up with shitty behavior in the name of not being alone Should we not blame the women for their own shitty behaviour? It sounds kinda victim-blamey to say "it's your own fault you tolerate shitty behaviour, they did nothing wrong, we're only holding you accountable because you chose to endure the shitty behaviour". With great power comes great responsibility. Should we not hold women equally accountable for how they choose to use their power, the exact same way we should hol… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/26 01:18 AM |
| 4 | The idea that men shouldn’t approach women is dying out in the mainstreamGosh “Women” doing a lot of the heavy lifting there when I assume you are referring to women on Reddit? Unless you truly mean all women which is a bold claim. I mean it's not just the women on reddit who complain about being constantly approached by men, I think it's fair to say that's a general claim that comes from women in general, yes. I am not asking why men aren’t approaching because I truly don’t care. Ok cool then this doesn't really apply to you. You act as if women don’t equally experi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/26 01:13 AM |
| 3 | Most women have someone.To act responsibly with their power and privilege, in the exact same way we tell men to use their power and privilege responsibly. I was replying to the other guy who was blaming men for women's power and privilege. Regardless of how someone got power or privilege, it is still their responsibility to use it well. Deflecting all responsibility and laying it all solely at men's feet is infantilizing women and pretending like women can never be held accountable or responsible for their actions and … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/26 01:03 AM |
| 2 | Are you sure size doesn't matter?I mean men and women do help each other for sure, we just need more of it. It's also a shame that feminism basically constantly demands men help women more, while refusing to help men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/26 12:44 AM |
| 2 | Most women have someone.I mean if women claim that men are better and stronger and that women say women shouldn't have had the right to vote, does that make it ok because the behaviour comes from women? And if a stranger gives me 100$ and I choose to blow that money on drugs, is it the fault of the stranger who gave me that money? We can hold women accountable for not using responsibly the power and privilege they are given. We do the same for men. Welcome to equality. Men are responsible for their behaviour and women … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/26 12:24 AM |
| 6 | "I hate men!" (...but not that man)And the moment men try and say anything about how women speak, it's tone policing and it's misogynistic and controlling. But women are apparently entitled to control what men say and think at all times. Gotta love the double standards. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/06/26 07:21 PM |
| 3 | "I hate men!" (...but not that man)But somehow men have to constantly be on guard and constantly be ready to counteract locker room talk and it's men's collective fault that this problem wasn't solved yesterday. Gotta love how they treat equality like a one-way street exclusively to the benefit of women. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/06/26 07:20 PM |
| 5 | Most women have someone.In this case I was replying to the guy blaming men rather than holding women accountable to their privilege. Surely if we hold men accountable to be aware of and combat their privilege, we should hold women to that exact same standard no? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/26 06:51 PM |
| 7 | The idea that men shouldn’t approach women is dying out in the mainstreamIt is a shitty situation, but that's the reality men have to face, specifically due to women complaining, and most women completely and adamandlty refuse to recognize the consequences that men have to face. It's like women complained about men approaching, so a literal mine field was built to keep men away from women at women's requests, and then when men stop approaching, women ask men why, but women also completely refuse to acknowledge the literal minefield built at the behest of women that m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/26 06:46 PM |
| 3 | The idea that men shouldn’t approach women is dying out in the mainstreamIt is, but that's the reality men have to face, specifically due to women complaining, and most women completely and adamandlty refuse to recognize the consequences that men have to face. It's like women complained about men approaching, so a literal mine field was built to keep men away from women at women's requests, and then when men stop approaching, women ask men why, but women also completely refuse to acknowledge the literal minefield built at the behest of women that men now have to walk… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/26 06:43 PM |
| 21 | Most women have someone.Right, the important thing to remember is to always blame men and never blame women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/26 06:35 PM |
| 2 | Are you sure size doesn't matter?You said women are at risk of being murdered if they make men feel insecure about their appearance. At any point you could have clarified and meant it was a tiny minority of men, or that you didn't express properly. Instead you doubled down on how that is "a fact". I doubt you'd accept the "fact" that men are at risk of being falsely accused of rape by women if they make women upset. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/26 01:47 PM |
| 2 | Are you sure size doesn't matter?I didn’t feel the need to mention that most men don’t end up killing women, a Of course you didn't, but you did make a comment as though the average woman is at risk of being murdered by men if she makes men feel insecure. And that's the dishonest part. I never blamed all men for the behavior of all men. But you did make a comment saying that any random woman might get murdered by any random man if she makes him feel insecure. It's painting it as possible without mentioning how INCREDIBLY UNLIKE… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/26 02:27 AM |
| 2 | Are you sure size doesn't matter?You’re getting pissy that I’m pointing out that men are the same as women. Except men are not the same in women in pretending that it is virtue signalling. Women are significantly more picky than men for appearance. That is a fact and that is fine, it is not virtue signalling. Women themselves say they find few men attractive, while men say they find most women attractive to some degree. It's not virtue signalling, it is a fact that this is a difference between men and women. Men and women both … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/26 02:24 AM |
| 1 | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementI mean you're not wrong but that seems to completely ignore a bunch of social issues. When women faced those issues we didn't tell women to just pretend those problems didn't exist and focus on their own happiness, we told society to bend over backwards to address those issues. Treating equality like a one-way street exclusively to women's benefit isn't equality at all. If we had society bend over backwards to address women's issues, when will it be time to have society do the exact same thing f… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/26 01:06 AM |
| 2 | Are you sure size doesn't matter?News flash: saying “most people who kill women are men” isn’t the same as “every man should be blamed for a man killing a woman”. And yet you repeatedly and carelessly equate men with violence. You state the fact that most people who kill women are men, but you apparently don't care to state the fact that 99% of men do not and will not kill women. I read your quotes very carefully, which is why I am frustrated at the inherent dishonesty in those quotes that unfairly blame men in general for the … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/26 01:05 AM |
| 2 | Women are larping loneliness.Don't be attracted to whoever and don't date someone you don't want to date, it's a really simple solution. It's a simple solution because it completely ignores the social issues going on. It's not wrong per se, just simplistic and reductive. The issue lies when men down women they're not attracted to, don't date them sure, but insulting them is a different story and is very much misogynistic.. I mean you're not wrong, but in the last few decades men have been and are being insulted a hell of a … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/26 01:03 AM |
| 1 | Are you sure size doesn't matter?Yeah that's a failing on men's side for sure, we still believe a bunch of myths with regards to size and the pleasure of sex. There's a ton of confusion still, which you'd think that having the internet should have helped clarify that, but apparently not haha. We do need to come together to help one another rather than going at each other's throats, but unfortunately with the whole gender war thing going on, I fear it's going to be a long time before that happens, unfortunately. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/26 01:01 AM |
| 2 | Are you sure size doesn't matter?most people who kill women are men and most violent attacks against women are done by men. women making men feel insecure about their appearance can be dangerous & life threatening. You're not blaming some men or a minority of men, you're blaming men in general, which means all men. That might not have been what you meant to say, but that is what you actually said. Try and be more careful with your words next time. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/26 11:54 PM |
| 2 | Are you sure size doesn't matter?The dishonest part is you blame ALL men for the actions of a tiny minority of men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/26 10:10 PM |
| 3 | Are you sure size doesn't matter?I am saying it is your portrayal of the facts that is dishonest. We can blame men, or we can solve the problem, but we can't do both. And you clearly have no interest in solving the problem. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/26 07:36 PM |
| 2 | Are you sure size doesn't matter?women making men feel insecure about their appearance can be dangerous & life threatening. That's dishonest. It's just as dishonest as if I said men talking to women can get men falsely accused of rape. It's connecting a random common thing (making men insecure about appearance) and tying it to an extreme, extremely rare, and extremely negative outcome (woman being murdered by a man). Pretty sure that equating men to psycho murdrers who would kill women for making him insecure about his appearan… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/26 04:55 AM |
| 1 | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)Not sure it's sacrasm and more facetiousness, but yeah. Tone is difficult to read with just text online. Either way, have a good one. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/26 02:12 AM |
| 3 | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)I'm genuinely happy for you. Love feels so rare and hard to find these days, by all means treasure the love you have and be happy together for the rest of your days. The world needs more love. However, that still means nothing compared to broader trends because exceptions do not invalidate the rule, and the plural of anecdote is not data. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/26 02:08 AM |
| 2 | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)Well yes, but when Lenovo asked what's the point of having a discussion about the increasing number of people not being able to form romantic couples, we both know it's not women who mostly have trouble forming romantic couples. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/26 01:59 AM |
| 1 | Are you sure size doesn't matter?Oh no I have read your comments, but when a dishonest person can't see their own dishonesty it's because they either believe their own lies or are so deluded they can't recognize they are lies. Concluding that I have a “hatred of men” and see men as “sub human” based off me stating facts and giving published & peer reviewed evidence is wild. So if I said that it is factually true that women are weaker, stupider, and more emotional than men, as well as being significantly better with kids than me… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/26 01:48 AM |
| 2 | Are you sure size doesn't matter?Look I could argue with you but you're just going to refuse to believe everything I say and you're going to tell me, a man, what you think men think, based on what your thoughts are as a woman. Every single argument you've made basically boils down to "no u", "men are actually terrible" and "women would never do any of those horrible things men do". I've seen the song and dance and I know there's literally nothing I can say that will convince you otherwise. So I'll stop wasting both our time and… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/26 01:39 AM |
| 1 | Are you sure size doesn't matter?And there are women who have murdered men and falsely accused men, so it can happen, but I'm sure you'd agree it is extremely dishonest to say "men are at risk of murdered or falsely accused of rape whenever they're near women". The fsct you can't even see the obvious dishonesty in what you say shows me you have truly internalized your hatred of men and see men as truly sub human. By your logic, any conclusions drawn by psychologists throughout history can only be applied to that specific situat… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 09:38 PM |
| 1 | Are you sure size doesn't matter?You said making men feel I secure about their appearance is life threatening to women. Meaning men will kill women if women make them feel insecure. That's psychopathic behaviour. You are treating men like they are psychopaths that must be appeased or else they will murder women. That might not be what you MEANT to say, but that is the consequence of what you ACTUALLY said. Next time try and be a bit more careful with your words. Men lie more than women. Denying that is just denying reality. Men… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 08:42 PM |
| – | What is the actual evidence that the gender difference in violence/aggression is social and not biological?Remember that half of all domestic violence is reciprocal, and that 75% of unidirectional domestic abuse is female on male. https://np.reddit.com/r/TheTinMen/comments/1ooxfm9/an_advanced_guide_to_intimate_partner_violence/ Men punching walls is actually refraining from being violent, much better than punching a person. Per men punching each other and road rage, women also have cat fights where they slap and tear at each other. Ignoring how women are violent and pretending like women don't cause … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 08:08 PM |
| 4 | Are you sure size doesn't matter?Right let's call men insecure and violent, and paint women like they're saints for dealing with the violent psychopathic brutes that men are. Totally accurate representation of reality that isn't hypocritical or self serving at all. Also, men definitely act like assholes and lie more than women 😂😂 To you, yes, because you are a woman. That's your lived experience. Pull a Norah Vincent and try to pass as a man for a month and you'll see the complete opposite. Welcome to equality, women are just a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 07:59 PM |
| 1 | Are you sure size doesn't matter?It is pretty funny you say this in a sub where there are men frequently virtue signaling that they fine 90+% of all women attractive. No, you interpret it as virtue signaling. The majority of men find the majority of women attractive to some degree. That's a simple fact. The majority of women find something like 80% of men to be below average in looks. It's not completely accurate, but women are SIGNIFICANTLY less attracted to men than the other way around. Pointing out this fact is not virtue s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 07:57 PM |
| 4 | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)For some reason I see a ton more women reading something, having an emotions reaction to what they read, and then responding on the basis of their emotional reaction rather than reacting based on the words that were actually written. Men do this too, but it seems to be overwhelming mankoett of people who react this way are women. It would make communication so much easier if one responded to what was actually said, rather than responding to how one feels about what was being said. And yet someho… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 07:53 PM |
| 0 | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)Men dodge accountability for what exactly, being victims of suicide because society constantly ignores, dismisses, and belittles men? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 07:51 PM |
| 2 | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)Ah I think I see the misunderstanding. Women can simultaneously want men to approach less, AND still want the man to take all the first steps. I agree that women tell men to stop approaching and stay away, but when the men those women want stop approaching them, those women get confused and upset that they don't get approached anymore, because the vast majority of women don't approach men. We're kinda talking past each other here and confusing two similar but distinct things. Women want to be ap… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 05:27 PM |
| 3 | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)The fact that some women repeat lies, makes women seem like unreliable narrators at best and actively dishonest at worst. The fact you double down on actively dishonest discourse with emotional manipulation to get people to agree with you instead of actually engaging with the argument, and that you repeat the problematic behaviour you got called out on, means you are actively making women seem even less reliable and more dishonest in the eyes of men. I don’t hate men. I specifically said that wo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 05:17 PM |
| 3 | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)It's not the overwhelming majority of women. It is. Sending signals that she wants him to approach, is not her taking the first step, it's her signaling she wants him to take the first step. And also, just don't. Stop making the first steps. The overwhelming majority of men who do this will never be approached in their life and will die single. So you know, that kind of sucks, given the overwhelming majority of women refuse to approach men. And finally, yes there are many women who approach the … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 04:00 PM |
| 4 | Men are blamed first before any rationality is considered because women will never choose a stance against each other if they can blame menI believe there are many feminists who are far more moral and far more egalitarian than their feminist ideology would allow, kinda like the difference between the kind Christians and the hell fire and brimstone christians. If you ask those feminist women who are kind, and drill down on the feminist beliefs, it basically boils down to things being men's fault directly, or boils down to blaming the patriarchy or internalized misogyny, which is blaming men with extra steps. Those good feminists no … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 03:57 PM |
| – | What is the actual evidence that the gender difference in violence/aggression is social and not biological?It allows them to say that hormones are no excuse and that it is therefore either the fault of men, or the fault of the patriarchy, which is just blaming men with more steps since they never hold women accountable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 03:54 PM |
| – | What is the actual evidence that the gender difference in violence/aggression is social and not biological?Fair, how about areas where there is equivalent violence from both men and women? Like in safe affluent neighborhoods and social circles? For some reason when we remove the need for violence, and have a culture that disapproves of violence, all of a sudden men stop being violent. So clearly biologically men are about as violent as women, and therefore the source of men being more violent than women can't be biology. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 03:51 PM |
| 1 | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)The other guy was being sarcastic. I'm not sure you caught that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 03:49 PM |
| 1 | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)Not wishing death on him, just pointing out the severe risks men face that women and society completely ignore, neglect, and don't give a fuck about. So thank you for proving my point by completely ignoring, neglecting, and dismissing the risks your cousin might be facing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 03:45 PM |
| 1 | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)Right, so you don't care about facts, logic, or reality, you're just trying to shame men into agreeing with you. You were never going to listen to women anyway because you hate women. And you are never going to listen to men anyway because you hate men. We keep telling you how many women basically lie, don't care about the truth, and want to manipulate people emotionally into agreeing with them, and every time we point it out, you keep doing more of the exact same problematic behaviour we are ca… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 03:44 PM |
| 0 | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)Because men are human beings inherently deserving of human decency and their issues are worth talking about at least as much as sexist air conditioning? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 03:41 PM |
| 3 | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)I mean those women exist for sure, but for some reason when men point out the overwhelming majority of women are not good women out there who are looking for companionship and able to offer it, men get told to stop complaining and lower their standards. And then women turn around and complain that the overwhelming majosrt of men are not good, aren't looking for companionship, aren't able to offer it (emotionally unavailable or whatever), women then say they refuse to lower their standards and me… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 03:35 PM |
| 5 | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)but I argue it's a minority and they're either conservative (and expect men to do all the first steps), either too shy (and in this case I'd say, learn to approach the cute guys) Well see the problem is that the overwhelming majority of women want men to make all the first steps, regardless of their political leaning, and the overwhelming majority of women refuse to approach men, regardless of their political leaning. So you're kind of completely ignoring the half of the problem that men complai… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 03:33 PM |
| 2 | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)And then she immediately proves you right by doubling down on the very kind of problematic behaviour you caller her out on. Can't make this shit up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 03:30 PM |
| 3 | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)You do realize that when men point out a general rule and women constantly and continually point to exceptions as though exceptions invalidate the rule, this kinda proves to men why they shouldn't listen to what women say? You're not doing yourselves a favour really. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 03:30 PM |
| 4 | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)men that believe in actual equality and respect will thrive. The problem is that largely society, feminism, and women treat "actual" equality and respect like a one way street exclusively to the benefit of women, and when men object to the blatant hypocrisy and double standards, those men are told they are the problem. Its a lovely combination of no true Scotsman, motte and bailey, victim blaming, and hypocritical self righteousness. Feminist men are desired. Demonstrably false. Entitled Women h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 03:28 PM |
| 3 | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)You know what they say, the plural of anecdotes is not data. I hope for your cousin that he's not going to be part of the 50% of marriages that end in divorce, because then his suicide odds will go from 4x higher than women's suicide, to 9x higher than women's. And I'm sure none of that matters because you know one example that is the exception. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 03:26 PM |
| 1 | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)Whoosh | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 03:24 PM |
| – | What is the actual evidence that the gender difference in violence/aggression is social and not biological?I'm all with you on people before pills, but if we want to look at who is more violent, we have to acknowledge that half the domestic abuse victims are men, and that 75% of unidirectional domestic abuse is female on male. That puts a pretty big hole in the "men are more aggressive" theory. https://np.reddit.com/r/TheTinMen/comments/1ooxfm9/an_advanced_guide_to_intimate_partner_violence/ | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 03:20 PM |
| – | What is the actual evidence that the gender difference in violence/aggression is social and not biological?the violence you find everywhere is biological, So, by this logic, since there are areas with 0 violence from men with the same socio-economic background, this means that since we can find areas that have 0 male violence, therefore you can't find violence everywhere, therefore the cause of violence is 0% biological and 100% cultural. And since women are just as responsible for culture as men are, that means women are just as responsible for the cultural cause of violence as men are. I don't thin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 03:14 PM |
| 5 | Men are blamed first before any rationality is considered because women will never choose a stance against each other if they can blame menKnee jerk reaction? Blame men for everything and women for nothing is basically feminism 101. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 03:11 PM |
| 17 | Are you sure size doesn't matter?Idk why some people on here are acting like it doesn’t at all. Because women seem to think that admitting to superficial preferences makes women look bad, and it is forbidden to ever admit anything that could make women look bad for some reason. This is kind of why men have a hard time trusting what women say. Not saying men are completely honest either, but it would be nice if we could all admit that being an asshole and lying are things men and women both do in equal measures, if at different … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 02:59 PM |
| 2 | The "problem" with paying is that men here don't like the types of women willing to pay for themselves on dates.I'm assuming she is debating the idea of what she believes other people believe, rather than responding to the words that are actually written. That level of mother of all strawmen tells me it's just not worth wasting my time there. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 05:29 AM |
| 2 | The "problem" with paying is that men here don't like the types of women willing to pay for themselves on dates.I have no idea how to even start addressing everything you've said, so I'll simply say have a good one, and I wish you the best. We definitely don't agree, but I still wish you good luck and happiness. Have a good one! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 02:23 AM |
| 7 | The "problem" with paying is that men here don't like the types of women willing to pay for themselves on dates.First of all, men generally don’t bitch about paying. Are you serious? You're everywhere in this sub, and you seriously think men don't bitch about paying on dates??? So getting little to know, matches has never been the problem. You are clearly on this subreddit and reading words with your eyeballs, but I'n not sure your brain is comprehending what the men are writing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 02:12 AM |
| 3 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenHappens all the time, basically any time a guy gets called an incel. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 12:41 AM |
| 3 | when women say they're attracted to confidence, what do they mean?True that, and it's important to remember all this is men's fault and men just gotta step up more! /s | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/26 10:40 PM |
| 15 | The "problem" with paying is that men here don't like the types of women willing to pay for themselves on dates.Then why dont men simply write on their dating profile they wont pay for dates? What’s the problem? Because men generally don't want to completely sabotage their odds of dating at all. You do realize if men do this, they will get basically absolutely no matches at all, right? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/26 08:33 PM |
| 2 | when women say they're attracted to confidence, what do they mean?Better yet "this benefits me so just man up and deal with it." Contrasts wonderfully with the "women want men who are emotional and vulnerable" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/26 07:55 PM |
| 2 | when women say they're attracted to confidence, what do they mean?That's called the motte and bailey fallacy. Great way to make outrageous claims then pretend one wasn't doing exactly that by playing with the definition of words, in order to dodge accountability. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy Once you start paying attention to it you will see this fallacy pop up ALL THE TIME whenever the discussion turns to women's standards and preferences. It's all about saying things that sound nice and make them look good, even if that's not actual… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/26 07:52 PM |
| 2 | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementYes yes, here we go with Maslow, sorry that I care about actual science and treat men like actual human beings worthy of inherent human dignity instead of treating men like a disposable means to an end. ou will not die if you don’t date and fall in love. If you take away food, water, and shelter, you WILL die. Just stop with this ridiculous argument. I certainly do not recognize dating as a need. Ok cool, so you think if we lock someone in a tiny concrete box with water and food they'll be fine … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/26 03:59 AM |
| 2 | Just pick someone else is silly.Oh there are a ton of people on here saying women can't possibly be as shitty as men. I'm happy if you're not one of them, but let's not pretend like the women are wonderful effect, benevolent sexism, and flat old misandry isn't rampant in this sub and feminist circles in general. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women-are-wonderful_effect So again I'm glad if you don't think women aren't as shitty as men, but as a woman if you think women are just as shitty as men, you are in a very small and unpo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/26 03:36 AM |
| 1 | The manosphere thrives because society has failed to provide an alternative.this was a reality barely 30-40 years ago where a woman that refused to have kids was a failure as a woman. Or a woman who refused to wear certain clothes or make up was not considered a woman. "cross your legs or no man will find you attractive" "shave your legs" "you'll end up a spinster" "don't be argumentative, men don't like that" my grandma (and society) used to say Ok so if we as a society recognized that these issues were real and deserved to be addressed, why are we now saying that when… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/26 03:32 AM |
| 2 | Just pick someone else is silly.we twit the bear thing into women saying men are worse overall. I mean how else are we supposed to interpret women saying that men are worse than literal wild animals? It's like the men who end up here are either allergic to listening to what women actually say or they twist it on purpose to have something to be mad about. Kinda funny because that's a common complaint men have about women. But when men get mad about women calling men literally worse than wild animals, and women saying #yesallmen… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/26 03:10 AM |
| 2 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.Fair enough. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/26 01:13 AM |
| 2 | Just pick someone else is silly.Yall have turned a blog post into a virtual cult of misinformation about an entire gender being your enemy in dating. Y I mean it's not men saying that women are worse than literal bears. If someone treated an entire gender as being the enemy in dating, it wasn't men who started it. You derail conversations because you don't understand context, not to add context. Agree to disagree but fair enough. I do spend too much time on PPD, I need to get out of here and spend more time having a life IRL l… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/26 01:13 AM |
| – | Why is there such a massive asymmetry in how men pursue women vs. how women pursue men?Oh I agree, but it's not even about punching up against the oppressor, it's just defining men as the oppressor regardless of how false or inaccurate and using that as an excuse to punch men while telling men they're not allowed to punch back. Women are punching up, laterally, and down, and like you say, they're not only getting away with it, they're arguing they should get away with it MORE. Treating equality like a one-way street exclusively to women's benefit isn't equality at all, and sooner … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/26 12:49 AM |
| 1 | Just pick someone else is silly.I didn't say only 20% of men get access to women, I said women chase only 20% of men. That's a very big difference. Yes getting dates as a man is harder. Pretty much everyone acknowledges that, but this conversation you are commenting on never said otherwise. You say that but basically every single time it's like pulling teeth to get people to acknowledge it without immediately going that either it is completely and totally men's fault and women have nothing to do with it, or that men can't forc… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/26 12:39 AM |
| 2 | Why are women so interested in fictional romance while being blatantly adverse to most real life romance?Yeah I typed that fast on my cellphone and my big fat fingers missing a few letter and autocorrect auto-co-wrecking abunch of stuff didn't help, sorry haha. First and foremost why do you assume that most men would ever want to stop performing gender essentialism? The whole reason why gender essentialism exists in the first place is the give men leverage. Boy, from this and the rest, I feel like there is a very fundamental difference here we need to address first. You say men want gender essentia… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/26 12:23 AM |
| 2 | Just pick someone else is silly.Well the first solution would be to stop ignoring and denying that men face issues in dating, and to have a minimum of empathy for men as though men are human beings inherently deserving of human dignity as well. For some reason most women can't seem to hear about women's issues without immediately going "WELL YOU CAN'T FORCE ME TO DATE MEN I DON'T WANT TO/CANT FORCE ME TO HAVE SEX", so the first step would be NOT doing that. The 2nd step would be to actually start trying to understand the situa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/26 12:13 AM |
| 2 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.I agree culture is doing some of the work in defining what exactly counts as weakness. It is biology that makes women disgusted by weakness in men, however weakness is defined. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/26 12:08 AM |
| 1 | Just pick someone else is silly.See that's actually a good question! We should actually ask that question with a good natured attempt to explore the issue instead of trying to ask the question in a bad faith attempt to paint men as though men want to force women to do things women don't. So, the first thing that should happen is that we should recognize that this is in fact an issue that men face, instead of constantly dismissing it, belittling it, or ignoring it. This requires literally no effort from women, just a tiny bit o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/26 12:05 AM |
| 2 | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementBuying a home is in no way, shape, or form the same as dating. Shelter is a need; dating is not. I mean dating and relationship plays into many incredibly important aspects of mental health. By Maslow's hierarchy of needs daring and romantic connections are absolutely needs. They're not essential needs like food, water, and shelter, but anyone who doesn't have anything more than a concrete box, water, and gruel, can survive, but they'll still be pretty freaking miserable. We can recognize that d… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 11:41 PM |
| 2 | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementAs someone who can have adult conversations my dating pool is limited to those who also can have adult conversations. Hahaha fair enough and that is a very valid attitude to have lol. Just gotta remember that as a woman, your daring pool even limited to those who can have adult conversations, is at least 10x bigger than men's daring pool limited to those who can have adult conversations. Sorry to hear about the severe AHDH and congrats to you for working hard and improving! The problem most men … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 11:31 PM |
| 1 | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementI mean yes 90% of the self help and self care industry is by and for women, and therapy and psychology are dominated by women with services catered to women. Psychology also frequently treats men like they are emotionally defective women, so it's not that surprising men have a hard time with a female dominated industry that doesn't seem to be equipped to deal with men's issues nor care about men's issues. Meanwhile a segment of men online complain that women won't make them feel.better about the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 11:28 PM |
| 1 | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementYou’re way too worried about what other people think. I'm actually just paying attention to what other people say and how they apply double standards. I would think that we can all agree that double standards and sexism are generally bad and we should address them. Well, if women apparently don't care about double standards and sexism against men, how can women expect men to care about or do anything about double standards and sexism against women? If you’re in a relationship and unhappy and the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 11:25 PM |
| 2 | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementNo, we call you misogynistic woman hating incels if that’s what you act like. And what that act looks like, is largely saying anything women don't like or behaving in ways women don't like, so that even a married man with kids gets called an incel if a woman doesn't like what he has to say. That's just how the word incel has been so overused and the meaning so diluted over time. You know, how do you react when a woman rejects you screams volumes about who you are. And, surprise! Women can be shi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 11:14 PM |
| 2 | Just pick someone else is silly.But in this context its more like a person with a low paying job complaining about not being able to afford the house they want and people saying pick a better job then if you want a better possibility of someday owning a house like that. I agree. The difference is that a woman with a 40k job can afford to buy a house while a man with a 150k salary would struggle to buy a house, simply because the woman gets more offers due to being a woman, and then somehow we pretend like it's fair. If women l… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 10:25 PM |
| – | Why is there such a massive asymmetry in how men pursue women vs. how women pursue men?The more I read and see stuff like this the more I feel a ton of things women blame men for is projection. They believe men think similarly to women, so men must do the same things that women do, but worse. Some women talk about sexual encounters in extreme details, so men must too, but worse, because they're men. That's locker room talk. Some women judge other women very harshly for their looks and appearance, so men must too, but worse because they're men. That's imposing beauty standards. Wom… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 09:27 PM |
| – | Why is there such a massive asymmetry in how men pursue women vs. how women pursue men?That's fair, but most women's "high sex drive" for the men they love, is still lower than the average man's sex drive for the average woman, let alone the woman he loves. where as it seems men think “that random woman is attractive, how can I sleep with her"? It's less thinking that and more like an instinctive want, like a kind of semi constant hunger. When you are hungry you don't stop by a restaurant and think "I believe I am hungry, it would satisfy my hunger to eat a good meal, how can I go… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 08:58 PM |
| – | Why is there such a massive asymmetry in how men pursue women vs. how women pursue men?Because it goes completely against the feminist narrative that men and women are identical blank slates at birth and all differences are social constructs imposed on them, and also that if we blame it on testosterone as a drug then we can't blame men as evil violent oppressors, especially if they want to use the excuse that women have such hard lives to deal with because of their own hormones. So they can't give men that excuse because it means either they can't blame men for men's own hormone i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 08:53 PM |
| 2 | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementWomen are NOT told women are assholes if you don’t fix them. Where do you dream this shit up? I think there might have been a misunderstanding here, I meant to say that women are told they can leave whenever they want for whatever reason they want, which I kind of agree with, and that men aren't entitled to women helping them and fixing them, which is fair. But then men get told that men are assholes if they leave for reasons women consider to be bad, and that men are assholes if they leave wome… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 08:39 PM |
| 1 | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is Entitlement10x more options is ridiculous. Nope it's reality. Feel free to make one dating profile as a woman, and one dating profile as a man, see which one gets flooded by matches and which one faces a desert. You don’t need to “play by rules” at all. Just be a decent person - and be honest. Cut down on the dramatics. I mean I actually agree. Still doesn't change the fact women have 10x more options than men, easily. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 08:34 PM |
| 1 | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementSir, hardly anyone has “an endless list of candidates” 🤦🏽♀️ Compared to men, most women do. Do you acknowledge and understand that women EASILY have 10x more options than men do, at a bare minimum? Not saying those options are great, I'm just pointing out that as bad as they are, women have MASSIVELY more options than men do in online dating and dating irl overall. You get to decide who is in your life. You are not a victim. Ugh. Funnily enough if I tell that to women, then I'm being misogynist… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 07:57 PM |
| 2 | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementYall aren’t worth the headache. If you can’t bring value to our lives, why would we want you? That's a great question! And funnily enough when men say the same thing they get called misogynistic woman hating incels. But for some reason its totally fine doe women to make that comment about men. You can keep your standards, settle, or opt out just like women. Well yes. Except for the part that dating for men is completely different than it is for women and to pretend like there's no different is n… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 07:54 PM |
| 1 | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementShe’ll find someone who does or adjust her standards. Except for the part where society as a whole tells women to always raise their standards higher and never settle, while also telling men they're misogynistic and oppressive if they dare to have any standards of their own. That's kind of a huge double standard. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 07:10 PM |
| 0 | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementAnd, no, your partner should not have to heal you. Fix yourself and don’t burden someone else with that. I mean generally I agree but for some reason men are told they need to fix themselves, while women are told men are assholes if they don't help her or support her while she fixes herself. Pretty big double standard there, telling men they are unworthy of love unless they're basically perfect and telling women they're always worthy of love and it's men's fault if they don't love her enough. Wo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 07:09 PM |
| 1 | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementI agree you don't have to tolerate anything you don't want to. That doesn't address the fsct men and women don't face the same situation and the same problems. A homeless person can't always "just buy a home". That's not a solution that works for the vast majority of homeless people. So if we tell men they don't have to tolerate anything they don't want to, while completely ignoring all the other issues men face, it's the equivalent of saying "sucks to be you, nothing we can do, you'll die alone… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 07:04 PM |
| 2 | Why are women so interested in fictional romance while being blatantly adverse to most real life romance?I mean the problem is that a signing blame to men and painting men as the active actors and women as the passive victims, is itself gender essrnsialidt behaviour. It's male hyoeragency and female hypoagency. In effect anyone who blames men and demands men do more, while excusing women and not advocating that women need to do more as well, is playing into gender essrntialism. And that kind of gender essrntialism of male hyoeragency and female hyooqgency is rampant in feminism. It provides a conve… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 06:47 PM |
| 2 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.Right, we can pit the evolutionary "women disgusted by weakness" hypothesis against the "women are blank slates and they are only disgusted by weakness because the patriarchy tells them so". I agree that what counts as weakness is shaped by culture. And yet, regardless of the culture, women by and late are not attracted, and tend to be actively repulsed by, weakness. And this regardless of how patriarchal or colonial the culture. It really shouldn't be controversial to say women want the winners… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 06:28 PM |
| 2 | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementPm the one hand I want to disagree, but technically "most" means more than 50%. I do agree that more than 50% of adults can have an adult conversation, but I feel it's not much better than that. George Carlin had a point when he said "think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are dumber than that". "Being able to hold an adult conversation" seems to unforrtunately become a more and more rare skill, especially when it's so much easier to declare that one is offended and … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 06:24 PM |
| 2 | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementRight, my bad, I think I completely misread that at first. Went back and you Saud "you think feminists want men and women paid the same for doing different jobs" and I misread that as feminists wanting women paid the same for doing the same job. Sorry I caused so much confusion there. So to be clear, I am saying men and women are ALREADY being paid the same for the same job, and the whole gender pay gap thing is nonsense 99% of the time. So if men and women are already paid the same, but feminis… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 06:06 PM |
| 2 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.I agree that social norms can influence people's reactions. I'm not saying that innate reaction is wholly unaffected by culture, but if it is affected by culture, it seems to be largely driven by women, not men. It is mothers who have a boys don't cry bias after all, and it is women who react far more negatively and with borderline hostility when men cry. https://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/article/boys-dont-cry-study-suggests-mothers-not-fathers-show-gender-bias-towards-sons/ But for some reason as… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 06:04 PM |
| 2 | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementI'm honestly kinda stumped on how to reply to this lol it is so refreshing and so different to see a woman who has her own opinions and isn't part of the liberal hive mind lol. Either way thanks for the chat and I wish you the best haha! Hopefully more and more people will come to see how feminism is worse than useless and is actively harmful. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 05:51 PM |
| 2 | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementThere's a saying about how we get hurt in relationships but also that we heal in relationships. Seems to me like trying to break gender relationships further apart, instead of trying to get people to come together and help one another, would only make things worse, not better. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 05:50 PM |
| 0 | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementSo, why would you care if a woman you’re obviously not compatible with cancelled a date? Isn’t that a good thing? No more wasted time, no spending money. Move on to the next. That's very easy to say when you have an endless list of other possible candidates. Saying "who cares men should just go for the next woman" is very "if you're homeless just buy a house", it means you largely don't understand the male loved experience. Women deal with all kinds of double standards yet, as I’ve interacted wi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 05:48 PM |
| 1 | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementI mean I agree with you that it is stupid but that's the reality men find themselves in. Most women want men to do a ton for her before she's willing to give even an ounce back in return. And the irony is that when these kinds of systematic social frictions happen to literally any other group we say it's sexist or racist or homophobic and we can't let that stand but when it happens to men? Totally fine, who cares. We don't say "the bakery doesn't want to make gay wedding cakes, who cares go find… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 05:43 PM |
| 2 | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementIt's a bit of a stretched analogy, but if we want there to be a functioning country people have certain things they need to keep doing, like following laws, paying taxes, and having children. If we stop doing all those in any serious amount, the country collapses and everyone is worse off. For some reason men are constantly expected to do their part and more to support others, but aren't entitled to ever being helped or supported themselves, while women seem to want to be able to enjoy all the b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 05:37 PM |
| 1 | Why are women so interested in fictional romance while being blatantly adverse to most real life romance?No, feminism wants men to find all women beautiful and intrinsically worthy of adoration and devotion, and that while women are totally entitled to having any preferences they want, men's preferences lie somewhere between "not important" and "actively harmful to women". I agree that it wouldn't be a good outcome for the woman whom a man would date after lowering his standards. That's why feminism wants men to basically eliminate all his standards and simply be eternally grateful that a woman wou… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 05:24 PM |
| 1 | Why are women so interested in fictional romance while being blatantly adverse to most real life romance?Caring about an idea of whatever a woman suppose to be in your mind based on nothing but her gender, and caring about an actual living breathing woman with her own flaws, ideas and personality is nowhere near the same thing. Ironically enough, most women also fail at this. Like you say, it's a human failing, not a male failing. The difference is that this failing gets called out in men and excused in women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 05:21 PM |
| 3 | Why are women so interested in fictional romance while being blatantly adverse to most real life romance?I wasn't sure if you put that there as a joke making fun of the people who pick the bear, or as a joke that you pick the bear to taunt/troll the people who are upset at the man vs bear argument. Maybe I understood you wrong, what do you mean when you wrote it? Because if I misread you then yeah there I am totally wrong. There are unfortunately a ton of women who are proud about choosing the bear, and then they will unironically say finding a good man is hard. That's what I meant about jokes writ… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 05:20 PM |
| 1 | Why are women so interested in fictional romance while being blatantly adverse to most real life romance?I mean I agree with you. It's just the overwhelming majority of feminists who disagree with us both. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 05:12 PM |
| -3 | Why are women so interested in fictional romance while being blatantly adverse to most real life romance?No. But somehow it's misogynistic for men to dare to have preferences about women's appearance in the exact same way women have demands about men's appearance. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 05:01 PM |
| 1 | Why are women so interested in fictional romance while being blatantly adverse to most real life romance?"I adopted the bear" The joke kinda writes itself there. I hear you that unrealistic devotion is, well, unrealistic. Men caring about women is kinda easy to find. Men caring about women in the specific way women want to be cared about is certainly harder. Men caring about women as much as women wished men cared about women, that's the unrealistic devotion part, and most women seem completely unwilling to give anything back to men until and unless he shows that unrealistic devotion first. So yeah… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 05:00 PM |
| 1 | How would you feel about a "reverse orgasm gap*?Now that you know that Nazis literally used the same kind of arguments as the M&M argument to dehumanize, demonize, and cause prejudice against the Jews, are you going to keep using the same Nazi logic with M&M's to dehumanize, demonize, and cause prejudice against men? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 03:32 PM |
| 0 | Just pick someone else is silly."Just pick someone else" is the dating equivalent of "if you're homeless just buy a house". It's technically not wrong, it just completely ignores all the issues and difficulties men face in dating and more often than not is used to dismiss and invalidate those issues men face in dating. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 12:25 PM |
| 5 | Just pick someone else is silly."Just pick someone else" is the dating equivalent of "if you're homeless just buy a house". It's technically not wrong, it just completely ignored all the issues and difficulties men face in dating and more often than not is used to dismiss and invalidate those issues men face in dating. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 12:24 PM |
| 2 | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementNo I'm saying feminists think women should be paid more than men for doing the same job. Because women today are paid the same as men for the same job, but according to feminism there is still a gender pay gap and women need to be paid more. So if men and women are paid the same currently, and feminists think women need to be paid more, then they believe women need to be paid more than the men who do the same job. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 01:28 AM |
| 2 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenNo, you keep ignoring everything I say to keep repeating that absurd lie. You do know that repeating a lie doesn't make it true, right? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 01:27 AM |
| 1 | How would you feel about a "reverse orgasm gap*?he number of false claims is FAR fewer than the number of men who commit sexual and physical assault and see no consequences for it. We can't know that because we don't count the number of false claims. False claims don't need to be reported to the police to cause incredible damage. . But sure if that's something you're worried about, by all means avoiding situations where that could happen. You just going to completely ignore the part where you think literal Nazi antisemitic logic is fine if it… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 01:27 AM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementThis makes sense, and I can understand the confusion of men when they listen to women who say they want equality but only picking and choosing the equality they want. Women need to pick a lane. Honestly I'm really surprised to hear a woman say that lol, usually the vast majority of women all close ranks with other women against men lol. Nice to see a woman who can actually recognize this problem, it is so incredibly rare, so thank you for that haha. Women have had access to higher education sinc… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 01:26 AM |
| 1 | How would you feel about a "reverse orgasm gap*?By using pattern recognition properly, instead of just blaming all men as violent due to the actions of a small minority of men. It may be a small minority of men who commit crimes but it's a vast majority of women who have been subjected to those assaults. Do you think that more women being hurt, justifies blaming innocent men more? I always use the analogy of skittles. If someone handed you a bowl of 100 skittles and said 5 of them are poison but they all look the same, are you going to eat a … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 12:45 AM |
| 2 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.Thanks for copying the argument here, I sincerely do appreciate it! Men are taught emotional vulnerability makes them less desirable. Yes, when they are emotionally vulnerable with women, and those women lose respect for them, stop having sex with them, and break up with them. You're kinda leaving out who is teaching men this and why. Women are taught to see emotional vulnerability in men as less desirable. No, most women don't need to be taught this. Most women need to be taught NOT to see emot… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 12:41 AM |
| 2 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenDo I have to repeat the same line to you a third time? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 12:35 AM |
| 2 | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementAnd not once in my life have I seen women being horrifically abused the way feminism describes it, but I recognize bad things can happen even if I am not seeing them. Per what I am describing, which part exactly do we disagree on? Do you think women are not paid the same as men for doing the same job? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 12:34 AM |
| 1 | How would you feel about a "reverse orgasm gap*?It totally does. Feminism thinks that men are the overwhelming majority of perpetrators of domestic abuse and constantly and consistently erases the fact that men are half the domestic abuse victims, overwhelmingly at the hands of female abusers. You don't have to take my word for it, Ellen Pence, co-founder of the Domestic Abuse Intervention Program, who helped create the Duluth model of domestic abuse, said https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duluth_model#Criticism "By determining that the need or d… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 12:33 AM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementWe’ve established I think equality is a myth, so I also don’t care about double standards. Ah fair enough, sorry about that. It's really rare to meet people who think like that, I had completely forgotten, my bad. A problem men are creating for themselves by wanting to go 50/50. Well men are creating that problem because they're listening to the women who say they want equality, so really it's men causing the problem for themselves because they listen to women. It's just that men not listening t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 12:21 AM |
| 0 | How would you feel about a "reverse orgasm gap*?I'm sorry to hear there were no flags. And yeah unfortunately there seems to be some kind of thing where people who are more abusive or sociopathic either suck at manipulation, or become really good at it, so it's very hard to tell. I'm sorry you went through that. Per lesbians and man hating, sorry I thought you meant more tensions between straight women and straight men, not about bad sex specifically, I misunderstood that. To be fair though we hear the most about the people who don't have goo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 12:18 AM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementOf course I'm describing it differently, I'm taking into account hours worked, education, experience, degrees, training, overtime, and career title. feminists just lump all women together and all men together, and go "men paid more than women, this is discrimination!" nobody’s saying men and women should be paid the same for different jobs. Feminists are. Because by and large, women are ALREADY paid the same for the same jobs, but feminists want to pretend like that's not true and want to push f… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 12:01 AM |
| 2 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.Ok but you made a lot of comments in this thread and I want to make sure I'm not picking the wrong argument. What was your argument that "the female sex drive" is the wrong answer, because I don't see your argument anywhere? You said "the patriarchy" teaches men to hide their feelings, not men. You just assumed it by fiat and didn't defend it. When you asked "What do we call a system that teaches men they’re weak if they’re emotional and teaches women that emotional men are unattractive?" I repl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 11:55 PM |
| 3 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenTry and respond to the words people say instead of responding to what you believe other people believe, you'll probably be incorrect less often. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 11:52 PM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementIts not punishment. He learns what kind of woman he is dealing with. Right, and I'm sure it's not punishment if the woman learns the man she was dating is abusive and she didn't have a means to verify beforehand. If dating is not about mutual interest but is instead a negotiation based on value extraction, what self respecting man would participate? I mean you're not wrong but you're kinda forgetting the point that the overwhelming majority of women treat dating like a negotiation based on value… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 11:50 PM |
| 2 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenAnd you apparently think women discriminating against men foe whatever reason women want is totally find, and just shows how little you care about equality when it's not to your personal benefit. The fact is I'm not bitter that women have the right to refuse me, the fact is you apparently don't have the capacity to care about men, but you feel entitled to men caring about women's issues and things that would impact you directly. Try and respond to the words people say instead of responding to wh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 10:57 PM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementThese are the men that have a higher chance of success with women that prefer men to pay. Right, those men who are following the sexist social standard that is imposed on men by women, tend to have a higher change of success by following that sexist social standard that women impose on men. I completely agree with you. And for some reason when there was a sexist social standard imposed on women, it was seen as wrong and sexist and in need of being changed, no matter how successful were the women… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 10:24 PM |
| 1 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenAnd managers exercising the autonomy to not hire women because women tend to take more sick leave, take maternity leave, and tend not to go back to work after they've had a child, is not punishment either. So I'm sorry that I won't take the opinion of someone who can't stop framing things in a dishonest manner, keeps jumping from non-argument to non-argument, and who apparently isn't interested at all in moral or intellectual integrity, to be a reliable judge of what is or isn't punishment. You … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 10:18 PM |
| 2 | How would you feel about a "reverse orgasm gap*?Christ I am sorry you had those experiences with those men, and yeah that is 100% unacceptable. There were no signs ahead of time that they were that despicable? If your experiences were with straight cis feminists, I'm going to point back to my theory that straight people just have bad sex. I don't think that has anything to do with socio political ideology. I mean yeah but lesbian feminists are also famously man-hating, and I haven't noticed bisexual feminists being any less man-hating than th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 10:16 PM |
| 2 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.And why not both options? Some preferences are shallow and need to be re-examined while others are legitimate compatibility issues. See I agree with this. The problem is that as a society we've decided that all of women's preferences are always legitimate and valid no matter how shallow, and that men's preferences are never legitimate no matter what if it limits or negatively impacts women in any way shape or form. I agree with you, but the standards for deciding what is shallow or needs to be r… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 10:05 PM |
| 2 | If you’re wondering why guys do things “women don’t like”. It’s because some women do like it.Well see the thing is that men have an extremely hard time getting ANY matches at all. I agree that the point of a date is not to force a match, but the point of the argument is that women generally expect and demand more effort from the man than women are willing to give in. And if we care about equality and about addressing gender-based social attitudes, that's a pretty big one to address. But for some reason, every time there are any of these kinds of attitudes that pop up, whenever it affect… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 09:59 PM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementGenerally a bullshit notion used to try and paint women as victims of an unfair society, when 99% of the pay gap is entirely due to women's own choices. There was a pay gap, but then we passed laws banning companies from paying women less, and we worked hard to address hiring discrimination. The pay gap has basically been solved for decades now, but it's too useful a tool to give up completely, so feminism keeps trotting out the debunked old argument over and over again to rally the troops, beca… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 09:50 PM |
| 1 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenSince when have men ever cared about women’s issues? Literally since forever. You do realize it was men who voted to give women the right to vote, and that men have been half the feminists since the very beginning, right? I grew up in the ‘80s and ‘90s and got all the messaging about how hilarious that woman were going to be childless cat ladies if we had careers Do you think it's therefore ok to blame and punish all men, for something a minority of men did and said? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 09:49 PM |
| 2 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from women"Men have to give up their privilege in the name of equality!" "What, we have to give up privileges too? But women don't have privileges, we're unequal, we're only supposed to benefit and have more and better, I don't wanna give anything up!" Gotta love those buffet feminists. Shame they're basically 80% of feminists now and that the vast majority of feminists couldn't recognize equality if it hit them in the face. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 09:47 PM |
| 1 | How would you feel about a "reverse orgasm gap*?I mean there are a ton of things women see that men don't, because it happens to women and not to men. This is one of those things that happen to men. If you're a woman, it's not unreasonable to think this just isn't part of your lived experience, because you are a woman, not a man. What part of the internet are you seeing that in because we must frequent different corners. Usually feminist and pro-women spaces, which is usually most of the internet except for a few small bubbles. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 09:45 PM |
| 2 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.Let's pretend I'm stupid and I missed it, could you repeat it for me here? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 09:44 PM |
| 1 | How would you feel about a "reverse orgasm gap*?Out of the handful of straight guys I've been with only one was a decent lover willing to learn and listen. The rest were selfish and inconsiderate at best, abusive and cruel at worst. What do you mean by abusive and cruel just to know? FWIW I am terribly sorry to hear that has happened to you, it shouldn't happen to anyone. I also can't help but feel that it seems the common element among all those men is that they're men you chose to be with. I hope you dumped the bad guys immediately after se… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 09:43 PM |
| 2 | How would you feel about a "reverse orgasm gap*?Completely agree that there are so many uncompassionate people in the world. There are far too many women who believe women to be way more compassionate than women are, because there's a ton of women who don't give a shit and actively despise men. Meanwhile there are also a ton of men who are judged to not be compassionate because they're not expressing their compassion the way women want or would recognize, but they are bleeding heart compassionate anyways. I'm a true egalitarian, I believe men… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 09:40 PM |
| 2 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenHaha thanks. I can't believe we're at a point where we have to point out what equality means and that if we care about equality, then women are equally responsible for accountability and morals and values as men are. Should be FUCKING OBVIOUS, but apparently it's not. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 09:32 PM |
| 3 | Women are larping loneliness.I hear you. And yeah, feminism may have had a basis in equality, but it's been a long time since, and feminism now basically treats equality like a one-way street exclusively to the benefit of women. It is frustrating and infuriating to see something that SHOULD be for the good of all and that CLAIMS to be for the good of all, then turn around and perpetuate the exact same kinds of issues they should have been fighting against. It's a shame how far feminism has fallen, and the worst part is that… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 09:30 PM |
| 1 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenI'm glad you think you don't have to play the game of equality and accountability. Don't complain whenever there are issues women face and men don't care and don't help. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 09:28 PM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementYes, he’s punished unless he’s asking a woman that’s actually okay with 50/50 and it works for both of them. And for the woman who wants either 50/50 or that the man pays, she wins on both sides. Meanwhile, men who prefer to pay for the date, are still subribing to a sexist societal standard that puts a burden on men. And men who want 50/50 get punished whenever they match with a woman who may not feel like paying for her half on that particular day. So it's still an unequal double standard and … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 09:26 PM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementGenerally being called cheap, broke, and having the date cancelled on you. The consequence is the unfair double standards, stigma, loss of social opportunity, and increased rejection. It's funny because whenever those happen to women it is always seen as a problem that needs to be addressed, but whenever it happens to men, the exact same women who basically demand endless empathy and sympathy from men, are the first in line to say men aren't entitled to an ounce of sympathy or empathy from women… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 09:16 PM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is Entitlementmen paying for dates and pursuing women has nothing to do with feminism. Of course it does. Feminism claims to be about equality, gender norms, and gendered behaviour. Men paying for dates is a gendered behaviour that is distinctly unequal. Either feminism is actually about equality and therefore should care about equality for men, or feminism treats equality like a one way street exclusively to the benefit of women, in which case feminism isn't about equality at all. So which is it? it’s just t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 09:10 PM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementOh definitely. I'm always amazed about how men tend to try and deal with reality as it is, and to change reality, while women tend to deal with perception of reality and to change people's perception of reality and feelings about reality, rather than dealing with reality itself. Not all the time and not everyone of course, but that's definitely a big difference between the genders. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 09:06 PM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementFunny that, when men don't want to pay for dates and don't want to be endlessly emotionally supportive and don't want to do all the things for women that women feel entitled to, that's a problem. But women are free to refuse men anything and everything they want to, and women are totally justified in giving back even an once of empathy or sympathy to men, while demanding endless empathy and sympathy from men. Treating equality like a one way street exclusively to the benefit of women isn't equal… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 07:56 PM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementAnd I never said you could, but that doesn't mean women should get away with self serving hypocrisy either. Do you want women to be treated like equal adults with equal agency and equal moral responsibility? Or do you want women to be treated like hypocritical self serving children who can't help themselves and can't be held accountable? Because you can't have it both ways. So which do you want? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 07:52 PM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementYou do realize this is a prime example of self serving hypocrisy right? Apparently values and good morals matter and everyone should be nice and help others, right up until it's something where women can profit off of men's efforts and then it's totally fine and good. Treating equality like a one way street exclusively to the benefit of women isn't equality at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 03:51 PM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementI love how men should show more empathy and sympathy for women, and in return women often reply with "fuck you I got mine, I'll sink us both unless I get my way". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 03:50 PM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementDoesn't mean we can't call out the obviously self serving hypocrisy though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 03:49 PM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementFunny that when there is a cultural issue affecting women everyone needs to bend over backwards as a society to address it, but when there is a cultural issue men can unfuck themselves on their own and they're not entitled to even an ounce of empathy or sympathy from women. Odd double standard that. Treating equality like a one way street exclusively to the benefit of women isn't equality at all, now is it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 03:48 PM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementWell of course, because there is a similar cultural issue (heavily reinforced by feminism) where women overall are always the victims and men overall can never be victims. Whether it is men or women reinforcing that biased and unequal notion doesn't matter. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 03:47 PM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementBecause it's only a good match when it benefits the woman, and who gives a damn how much it disadvantages the man. Gotta love modern equality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 03:41 PM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementGenerally when one person pays for an expensive order, it's usually not the man ordering something outrageously expensive. You're not wrong at all, it's just your argument applies about 10x more to men than to women. And yet for some reason it's fine for women to ask for everyone paying for their own meal, but men face social consequences from women for saying the exact same thing. There are lots of double standards in society but for some reason society only cares about the double standards tha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 03:37 PM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementIt's not weird for women to say that. It's weird for men to say it and men face the consequences of it. Just because women don't have that issue, doesn't mean men don't either. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 03:35 PM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementSo 80% of people of both sexes shouldn't be dating then. Doesn't sound like a useful metric. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 03:34 PM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementRight, so the man is punished if he asks 50/50 before the date, and he's punished if he asks for 50/50 during or after the date. Meanwhile women can just pick whichever option she prefers at any time without any risks or consequences with plausible deniwbility, while the man has to face all the risks and consequences. Great game kf "heads she wins, tails he loses." it's treating equality like a one way street exclusively to the benefit of women, which is not equality at all. And then women wonde… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 03:33 PM |
| 3 | Does anyone care that dating is better now for women?Well yeah, and some guys swear that men getting raped by women is a good thing. Those guys are wrong. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 02:19 PM |
| 2 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Somewhere between 2 and 20%. It's not like it's all women, but to pretend it's none of the women is equally disingenuous. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 05:10 AM |
| 3 | How would you feel about a "reverse orgasm gap*?I mean it's fair that they don't expect their partners to be pro, but on the other hand as a woman yourself you wouldn't really be the target of the expectations that women put on men. Not sure what you mean that only one straight dude was like that out of more than one, only one porn brained dude? It's kind of funny too because if women describe men as porn brained, then the male equivalent would be describing women as romance-brained, that women read too much romance and have very high expecta… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 03:46 AM |
| 3 | How would you feel about a "reverse orgasm gap*?I'll add it to my list! I am happy to hear women seem receptive to feedback when approached compassionately, I can only hope they will approach men with half as much compassion as they expect to receive, because there's a significant and severe lack of compassion for men from women apparently. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 02:36 AM |
| 2 | How would you feel about a "reverse orgasm gap*?And overwhelmingly the response when men complain is that they must be bad lovers and it's their own fault and they're misogynistic for daring to complain about women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 02:35 AM |
| 3 | Does anyone care that dating is better now for women?There's a whole host of them, from the constant demonization of men, the erasure of male victims as though men CANNOT be victims of anything, there's the male loneliness epidemic, there's how men are systematically emotionally neglected in society, there's the male suicide epidemic, the issue that schools systematically grade boys worse than girls despite giving the same answer, there's the issue of universities being 60% women and there still being more efforts to bring in more women in univers… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 02:33 AM |
| 1 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.We call it patriarchy. Patriarchy was the answer we were looking for. We have some lovely consolation prizes for you. Fair enough I should have said condescension and belittling instead of shaming and guilt tripping. Either way, you have any arguments to make? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 02:30 AM |
| 2 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenFair then maybe it would be more accurate to say that women understand men favour youth, they just don't like it, criticize it, and wish it wasn't so. If we’re criticizing something, by definition we’re not denying it exists or calling people who say it exists liars. I mean there are many people who can and do argue in bad faith, who can verbally deny something exists while they believe it does, but I get your point. So, either women don't understand that men like younger women and they're calli… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 02:25 AM |
| 2 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.Oh absolutely. They claim to be against sexism, while being massively sexist themselves, because they believe women are so much better and more moral than men. They treat equality like a one-way street exclusively to the benefit of women, and get mad when you call them out on it. It's a clown world out there. Cannot make this shit up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 02:22 AM |
| 2 | Does anyone care that dating is better now for women?What words did I twist? Be specific. These ones when all we did was gain independence and start deciding men aren’t worth the headache. When the topic had absolutely nothing to do with independence or about how men aren't worth the headache. It's basically just a more subtle version of for example me asking you when you stopped abusing your partner. It's baking in an assumption into the statement and running with it, without ever justifying it or defending it. I will blame men, Cool, so I know y… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 02:20 AM |
| 2 | The rise of semi-segregated online spaces and their consequences have been a disaster for gender relations.I agree that the internet messes with our perception of reality, the problem is that many people have built their entire personality around those flawed perceptions. I'm talking specifically the women and feminists who are terrified there's a male rapist behind every street corner, who believe they are entirely justified in their paranoia, who then turn around and tell men who are falsely accused of rape that those men are delusional and paranoid and clearly the internet has rotted their brain. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 02:13 AM |
| 1 | How would you feel about a "reverse orgasm gap*?pretty much any post online about women who have bad sex lives in committed relationships starts with "i have tried talking to him repeatedly and nothing changes" Well if she has tried talking to him and he doesn't change, then yeah that absolutely sucks and he is at fault. I do wish to understand exactly what was said and how, because unfortunately communication between men and women is spotty at best, and both men and women can be convinced they communicated a message clearly and be completely… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 02:08 AM |
| 2 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.I mean I can agree that it is partly his fault, but for some reason it is never partly women's fault for being socialized the way they were and we can never hold women accountable for being socialized the way they were. I'm all for agreeing people are partly responsible, but we have to do it for both genders. but it's very common to see young men who had a casual group of friends through school related to school activities act gobsmacked when their friends drift away when they're no longer shari… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 02:02 AM |
| 2 | The rise of semi-segregated online spaces and their consequences have been a disaster for gender relations.TThe point about making observations isn't to "win men over" or "gain allies" in the first place. Not sure why you think that's the point of anything I said. Oh no see that was sarcasm to point out how you are going to be actively alienating half the people on the planet, and how those people who could have been allies and who could have helped you, will instead feel attacked for something they didn't do, and they will become apathetic to you or actively hostile to you, because of your own choic… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 01:51 AM |
| 4 | Does anyone care that dating is better now for women?Generally, the exact same thing women expect and demand from men. Women want men to listen to, hear, and acknowledge women's lived experiences. Well, it would help men a ton for women to do exactly that to men, to understand the issues men face, the struggles men face, and understand how men are different from women and think differently from women, but that it doesn't mean that men face no issues. Men don't face the issues women face, but there are a ton of issues men face that women don't eith… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 01:46 AM |
| 2 | Does anyone care that dating is better now for women?Haha thanks, I try. Have my upvote! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 01:42 AM |
| 3 | Women are larping loneliness.Oh I agree that it gets framed that way. And it gets framed that way by women specifically to make men look bad and make women look good. When Hinge allowed a height filter, the vast majority of women on it immediately set the height filter to 6' and above. There has never been a weight filter on any of the dating apps. Women are just as if not more superficial than men, but they want to control the narrative to make women look good and make men look worse in comparison. I agree that it is stupi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 01:42 AM |
| 1 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenAccountability for women framing situations in a dishonest way to absolve themselves of any and all responsibility and laying all the blame squarely at the feet of men. See I care about equality, and equality means recognizing that men and women are equally shitty, but also that men and women can and should help each other equally. Unfortunately feminism treats equality like a one-way street exclusively to the benefit of women, and that's not equality at all now is it. So you have a choice. You … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 01:32 AM |
| 0 | How would you feel about a "reverse orgasm gap*?I mean you'd say that, but it's already being said and has been said for the past 20+ years. But in all those years for some reason it's still basically verboten to ever blame women or hold women responsible for their own pleasure or for educating their partner. There are many men who are glad to to teach their partners how to have sex, basically. I have no idea why but many women seem to be incredibly resistant to the idea of teaching men anything. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 01:29 AM |
| 2 | The rise of semi-segregated online spaces and their consequences have been a disaster for gender relations.I mean I don't disagree that the internet is a tool, but we can't argue that online isn't real life, when online is ispired by, leaks into, and coexists with, real life. It's absolutely true that niche corners of the internet are not representative of reality as a whole, but we can't just dismiss all niches as though none of them are relevant, useful, or accurate. It does take nuance, and the internet absolutely can be used for good and bad things. It's just that for some reason the internet bei… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 03:20 PM |
| 2 | Does anyone care that dating is better now for women?I love how it’s women to blame when all we did was gain independence and start deciding men aren’t worth the headache. I love how women twist the meaning of words and paint arguments in an extremely dishonest and bad faith interpretation of what was said without actually ever engaging with the argument, and this this somehow makes them smart or win the argument. Just reading these responses is enough to show that women made the right choice by choosing the bear. You go do that. Just don't blame … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 03:17 PM |
| -1 | How would you feel about a "reverse orgasm gap*?oh yeah fair and that applies to men just as much. But I still find it really strange how that kind of fear of men and treating men like they're potentially violent psychopaths until or unless proven otherwise, can coexist with genuine desire for some man. Like, the desire for a man shouldn't erase the fear that he might be a psycho, but it does, somehow? Because again people are weird and can hold mutually contradictory ideas if they rationalize it hard enough, and arousal is anything but ratio… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 03:16 PM |
| 2 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Good on you for doing that serious reflection, acknowledging one's flaws and changing oneself is very difficult. Per people putting up with it, there's that good quote from Mr Nobody, about how there are so many assholes because people let them get away with it. It's seen as impolite to contradict or call people out, so they let them get away with it and silently judge instead. My problem tends to lie in the other direction, of being too accommodating and not having strong enough boundaries. Kin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 03:14 PM |
| 2 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenWell yes I'm being combative against dishonest framing of a situation and refusal to acknowlegde reality in order to try and absolve women of accountability and try and paint men in a bad light. I think that's fairly reasonable grounds for not being passive. I'd rather recognize the truth. If I'm wrong I would also like to know. I absolutely can deal with vulnerability, so I don't know why you're throwing that in there out of the blue. Can you explain to me what vulnerability here has to do with… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 02:58 PM |
| 0 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.It also doesn't make it immediately wrong. Feel free to use arguments and logic instead of shaming and guilt tripping. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 02:42 PM |
| 1 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.I know patriarchy is the answer "we" were looking for. The problem is I like to give answers that are correct instead of just lying to people to tell them what they want to hear. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 08:39 AM |
| 0 | How would you feel about a "reverse orgasm gap*?almost entirely due to a lack of care or effort on the male partner's part. women usually can't get off from penetration alone and require foreplay type elements for the big O. When a guy decides he doesn't care about that, then you end up with the orgasm gap women complain about. And apparently women seem incapable of explaining what they need to men, incapable of teaching it to men, incapable of explaining they'd want to have sex with him more if she had more orgasms, and/or incapable of leavi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 08:35 AM |
| 0 | How would you feel about a "reverse orgasm gap*?It is kind of weird though because female sexuality is highly contingent on feeling a man's urgent desire, but men's urgent desire gets constantly painted as something that is wrong and violent and undesireable. People are weird. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 08:32 AM |
| 1 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.I mean you started it with the "well men are violent against women" as a "get out of jail free" card. I'd love to debate, but you are right that there is no debate possible when the first recourse is to immediately turns to "well men are violent thugs" to win the argument. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 08:30 AM |
| 1 | Chivalry is a submissive act.Why you want to harm your own mental health by imagining insults that don’t exist I have no idea. It's called feminism and it's an incredibly profitable business to sell women narratives of things that don't exist for them to get mad at men over. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 08:27 AM |
| 5 | The rise of semi-segregated online spaces and their consequences have been a disaster for gender relations.And this is called "moving the goalposts." A woman sharing her frustrations about being harassed gets a ton of women supporting her because they've overwhelmingly experienced harassment too. You clearly agree that these women are correct and right in sharing their overwhelmingly experienced harassment. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 08:22 AM |
| – | The rise of semi-segregated online spaces and their consequences have been a disaster for gender relations.Immediately narrowing it to "viral online posts" is clearly a bad faith attempt to cherry pick examples that fit your narrative. Oh the irony! The only common story among manosphere men is how women won't date them. clearly a bad faith attempt to cherry pick examples that fit your narrative. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 08:21 AM |
| – | The rise of semi-segregated online spaces and their consequences have been a disaster for gender relations.Dude's entire schtick on here is to take the most bad faith interpretation of any argument that is critical of women, and then calling out any reply as a fallacy. Half the time he's just wrong and it's not a fallacy, he's just interpreting the reply in a bad faith way to make it sound like a fallacy, and the other half of the time it's technically true but it's pendantry about the definition of words. It can be kinda fun trying to argue with Solo and try to paint him into a corner, but most of t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 08:20 AM |
| 6 | The rise of semi-segregated online spaces and their consequences have been a disaster for gender relations.The only common story among manosphere men is how women won't date them. The only stories you pay attention to because it confirms your biases =/= the only common stories among the manosphere. Sticking your head in the sand doesn't make reality go away. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 08:18 AM |
| 3 | The rise of semi-segregated online spaces and their consequences have been a disaster for gender relations.Online isn’t real life. Oh cool then the red pill, the manosphere, and incels aren't real life either and we can tell women to stop bitching about those, neat! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 08:16 AM |
| 1 | The rise of semi-segregated online spaces and their consequences have been a disaster for gender relations.Do you believe a ot of women at least passively support the subjugation of men because of the chivalrous ideals of men freely helping women just because they are women, that so many women want to return to? Even women who identify as feminists often believe that they're owed a fantastic male partner who will do everything for them the way they want it, and resent men for not making that fantasy a reality. You're kinda taking the most bad faith interpretation possible to really push an agenda rea… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 08:14 AM |
| -5 | The rise of semi-segregated online spaces and their consequences have been a disaster for gender relations.Based on the bias of your post and this really curious blindness, it's pretty evident to me that you don't really think that the disaster is in knowledge of these ideas. It's in men finally having to take even a fraction of what they've been giving. Right, nothing ever helped foster peace, goodwill and people helping one another than to say "fuck you, you oppressed mine for hundreds of years in the past, now you who is innocent of ever doing any of that, will suffer the exact same fate my people… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 08:10 AM |
| 0 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Because men have a history of violence against women Oh boo hoo anything there's anything sightly inconvenient the old "but men used to beat up and murder women" excuse gets trotted out. 80% of victims of violent men, were other men. You don't see men be utterly terrified of existing out in public though. The more women keep using that bullshit "I win because men murder women" card, the less men will take it seriously and the less men will care. This is why comparing men's expression of frustrat… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 07:48 AM |
| 3 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Thanks haha, I'm trying to cut down my time in here, but it's kind of addicting. I try and do good in the rest of my life and there's nothing I can really get all that mad about out IRL, but this is one space where I can kinda cut loose and let my anger out at the blatantly hypocritical and bullshit takes. But it's not good for me because it primes my brain to seek out that kind of bullshit and primes my brain to react with anger at the bullshit. I gotta stop but arguing with idiots on this sub … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 07:35 AM |
| 2 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenIf a man is a 6/10, and women who are 4/10 refuse to date anything less than a 7/10, is the man dating out of his league if he can't get a 4/10? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 07:03 AM |
| 2 | If you’re wondering why guys do things “women don’t like”. It’s because some women do like it.Yes, I do type all that out every time. I try and be understood, and kinda get carried away typing too much and trying to explain myself too deeply, sorry. you have a remarkably active imagination and capacity for anguish! You can spin a diatribe of persecution from almost literally nothing! Yeah, I've been talking with feminists too long, it's starting to rub off on me. Why don't you try writing fiction instead of wasting your precious time on earth and carpal tunnel strength on the manosphere?… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 06:20 AM |
| 1 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Then why are men complaining about the women that chase criminals (who are definitely drama) when they say they want peace? Why do they care? Because those same women who complain about where all the good men have gone, then pick the bad boys, and complain that all men including the good ones ain't shit. They kinda care because the men face consequences from the constant insulting and demonization of men. Why should women care if men call women hoes and whores, right? Well, if women are allowed … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 06:19 AM |
| 2 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.I mean I agree that you need to have a certain understanding to communicate thoughts properly. The issue is not so much linguistics and the different meaning of words, because "patriarchy" is a single word that should have a rather more singular or at least unified definition, instead of referring to 10 different things, some of which are contradictory to one another. Generally if you ask 10 physicists to define gravity, or 10 doctors to define cancer, you're not going to get wildly inconsistent… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 05:12 AM |
| 1 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.I agree that there is a bit of a problem with the same word different understanding thing. I also agree it's not a unisex problem, both men and women do it in different ways. The one with men wanting sex but not going to sex workers is indeed a problem, and it's actually indicative of a broader problem in society that basically denies men their humanity. See men also want to be touched, desired, held, loved, appreciated, and the vast majority of men are both chronically emotionally neglected and… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 05:08 AM |
| 1 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.I am happy to hear that you found medication that helped! It does indeed take years and years and constant work to be better. It's kind of exhausting to try and be mentally and physically healthy, and life fucks all of us up in so many different ways. We all do need to have more empathy for one another and compassion for the suffering we all go through. It's a shame there's so much hate in the world. Agree with you that behavioural health care and mental health in general are so stigmatized, but… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 04:56 AM |
| 1 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Many women report falling for guys they were not initially attracted to. You know that's fair, there are some women like that. They don't seem to be the majority, but they do exist. I spoke too hastily there. But also, do men pursue people they aren't attracted to? Women only dating men they find attractive is not some gotcha. People in general don't want to date people they aren't attracted to. I mean the difference is that men generally consider 50% of women attractive, while women seem to con… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 04:53 AM |
| 3 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenHe was on his own and it worked on his first try? Damn, lucky bastard! Ok BRB gonna run after women in the park to get conversations started! ;) For real though how exactly did it go from a random man approaching you to you two going out together? If you can write a book that successfully helps men know how to approach women and date you might just become a multi-millionaire overnight! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 04:45 AM |
| 2 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.I agree that even people who are good at spotting red flags can miss some, generally we can spot the obvious red flags, and there are some smaller red flags that are easier to miss and harder to catch. And absolutely, someone who has never been in a relationship with someone who had red flags, generally won't get better at spotting them. We get better with red flags because we didn't see them and got "bit" by them, so we're better the next time around. kinda funny that because /u/ouishi was kind… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 04:43 AM |
| 3 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.I mean I think it can be the fault of both of them, in some situations it's more the man's fault, in some sitations more the woman's fault, but I agree with you that society, purity culture, patriarchy, and feminism throwing the baby out with the bathwater by condemning all the old ways of doing things without really providing an alternative, and a metric ton of other things, that makes it all massively complicated. It really is a shame that there are so many rifts and disconnects between men an… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 04:32 AM |
| 2 | If you’re wondering why guys do things “women don’t like”. It’s because some women do like it.I agree that knowingly entering a relationship after identifying an incompatibility is setting oneself up for failure. The problem is that people can't always spot that incompatibility, or they think the incompatibility is not in fact an incompatibility. It's not always black or white ;) There is always an optin even if it's not one you want. I mean yeah but men are significantly more willing to take those options than women are. Women seem to want to either take the absolute best choice, or hav… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 04:29 AM |
| 1 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenThat doesn’t make sense, since men being looks and youth focused is a common female complaint, as is actresses being way younger than their male counterparts, older men are always hitting on teenagers and twenty somethings (hello, age gap relationships!) and the pressure to look like young women I don't know what you think doesn't make sense. Men say they find younger women to be most beautiful, and despite all the evidence pointing that way, somehow women still don't believe men. I don't know w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 04:25 AM |
| 0 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenI mean, generally I think people should try to have moral integrity and intellectual honesty. Those seem like good values to have, no? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 04:07 AM |
| 2 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenA lot more than 20% of men date, but just because they date doesn't mean it was easy for them to date, or that the women didn't "settle" for him because they couldn't get something better. how are you being expected to date down? What does dating down look like for you? I'm saying the women who are as fat as me and make as much money as I do, generally believe they deserve someone better than me, who is both fitter and richer than me. So if the women who are fitter than me and richer than me obv… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 04:06 AM |
| 1 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.I disagree. What makes one a good partner has nothing to do with experience. I mean experience doesn't AUTOMATICALLY make someone a better partner, you can't just have lots of partners, do nothing while in a relationship, and become automatically better, you have to actually work to improve and get better while in a relationship. But experience absolutely plays a role, because we learn a ton about ourselves through experience in a relationship, and that's just not something you can experience an… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 03:50 AM |
| 3 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Yes, being in relationships with men who were very emotionally stunted gave me insight into why and how they turned out that way. It wasn’t really their fault, That must have been difficult and I am sorry you went through that, but on the other hand it is fantastic that you did get those insights. Most women don't care about the insights and don't care to understand why, and just care to blame men into getting better. but at the same time they were unwilling to do anything about it even as it wa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 03:38 AM |
| 1 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Not sure what you mean there, I'm assuming that's for the last question about the loving husbands. The loving husbands are part of the problem and work for solutions, but get shut down? I mean if they're working for the solutions but get shut down, it sounds like they're not part of the problem. Sounds like it's the wife who is the problem. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 03:33 AM |
| 3 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.I agree that not everyone is ready to change. Changing oneself is a very hard thing haha, and it is indeed impossible to force someone to change. As much as we would like to, to have that kind of control over others, we simply do not, and we cannot force others to change. We can only open the door, they have to go through it themselves, and if they are not willing, there's nothing we can do. I won't say that people are not willing to accept help due to their own trauma. I'd say more that their t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 03:32 AM |
| 2 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenI mean sure, lonely sexless men give bad advice for dating, but that's kind of obvious, so why point that out? I can say that people who are born blind don't give good fashion advice, but like, sure? So what? I am of the belief that in order to be able to give good advice on any topic, generally speaking, you need to have experience with that topic. Well, yes. The problem is that there are many men who have a lot of experience dating women and give good advice on how to date women, and women don… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 03:26 AM |
| 5 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenI don't know what you mean by "being asked" to consider women who are fat or poor. I'm saying the women who are as fat as me and make as much money as I do, generally believe they deserve someone better than me, who is both fitter and richer than me. So if the women who are fitter than me and richer than me obviously don't want me, and the women who are as fat as me and as rich as men don't want me, who exactly do you think I'm left with? Incidentally, this weird incel math and aggrieved entitle… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 03:08 AM |
| 1 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenI mean when men say they find young women attractive, women say they're lying and they just want women who are easier to control, or say men are lying and they're actually pedophiles. That happens all the time. Women for some reason refuse to believe that men think that female beauty peaks at like 21. Virtually all men regardless of age think the most attractive age for women is 21. In contrast women think the most attractive men are a few years older than her, until women hit 30 then they think… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 03:05 AM |
| 2 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenLol. I wish I could see the ratio of upvotes to downvotes on my comments, so I'd see if it's just one or two disgruntled people, or if it's like -52 to +49 or something. Lots of angry NPC points going on in this sub for sure. Lots of "I agree" upvotes as well, which kinda defeats the purpose of upvotes as "this comment adds to the conversation", but most conversations on here are kinda shit anyways. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 03:00 AM |
| 2 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.I don't mind a bit of facetiousness and sass, I enjoy some good humour and good-natured ribbing. Unfortunately there are way too many women on this sub who do straight up hate men and would 100% genuinely say that, while being completely oblivious to the hypocrisy that they would never accept it if it was a man telling her to choose better. but the reality is that sometimes you’re gonna learn lessons about what you don’t want in a relationship the hard way. Absolutely. We can read up all we want… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 02:58 AM |
| 5 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.It's not that they fail to understand the statement. It's that they don't want to acknowledge it and will interpret anything in any way that never contradits what they want to believe about women. They want to see that women are kind and caring and moral and that men are these violent horrible brutes, and they're willing to twist words and reinterpret anything said to try and maintain the beliefs they want to hold, reality and truth be damned. I spent way too long on this subreddit arguing with … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 02:51 AM |
| 2 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.From my perspective, the only ones who are actively working on promoting a point of view that men’s emotions are valid and matter and that men have a right to express those emotions, are those quarter or so of feminists that you mentioned. That's totally fair, it's just a shame that less than 1/4 of feminists are completely drowned out by the other 3/4 and that most of their efforts get completely cancelled out. There are a ton of men who are actively working on promoting a point of view that me… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 02:47 AM |
| 3 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenI mean many women are in fact liars. So are men. It's called being human. I don't pretend like one gender is morally superior to the other simply because of the gender they're born into, that's generally what feminists do. Besides, being called a liar is pretty harmless compared to being judged as predatory and selfish just because of one's gender. Per dating advice, I'm not sure what exactly you are asking for here. Dating advice that works and that women won't believe? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 02:27 AM |
| 3 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenAnd if all the women are chasing very few men, then that would suggest that the rest of them have no chance at all Well, yes. Women judge 80% of men as "below average". On dating apps, women swipe right 10% of the time, and get a match on 6 of the 10 swipes they make, for a 60% match rate. Men swipe right 50% of the time, and get a match on less than 5 of the 50 swipes they make, for a less than 10% match rate. IRL, it is overwhelmingly men who do the approaching and overwhelmingmy men who get r… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 02:25 AM |
| 3 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenIf women will only date Chad and you’re not Chad, then how are you being asked to date down? Because if I ask the woman on my level, she sees me as below her. So I have to ask a woman "below my level", because she will look up at me and think I'm on her level. Basically, say I make 75K a year. Women who make 75K a year want men who make 100k a year. Therefore women who make the same income I do, won't date me, and so to find someone who will date me, I have to pick a date from women who earn les… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 02:21 AM |
| 2 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenAh fair enough. I'm honestly kinda surprised honestly, it's a rare woman who acknowledges that the term incel has now become meaningless. And per lonely sexless men, how would you know that? You say it's just the facts at hand, but how do you know? Are you assuming they're lonely and sexless just because of the advice they give? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 02:08 AM |
| 0 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.I don't care how his wife looked at my age. I don't care about any of that. I care that he was inadvertently insulting his wife to compliment me. Therefore trying to force me to engage in competition with his wife. Which disgusts me. I cut clients off for that. No, you are assuming that he was insulting his wife. That's your interpretation of what you believe he was saying. He might have been thinking that he was complimenting you, because his wife was beautiful 20 years ago and you are just as … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 02:07 AM |
| 2 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenright because lonely sexless men are experts on what women want and how to get them. You basically said incel without saying incel. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 02:03 AM |
| 3 | If you’re wondering why guys do things “women don’t like”. It’s because some women do like it.See the problem is that the vast majority of women want men to plan the date. So it's nice for the 20% of guys who get a woman who don't expect the man to plan dates, but what are the other 80% of men supposed to do? You're not wrong, but your solution to men's dating issue is basically "if you're homeless just buy a house". It's nice for women that they can metaphorically "just buy a house" for themselves, but the overwhelming majority of men simply do not have that option. So what then? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 02:02 AM |
| 5 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenOh yeah telling men to talk to strangers in public would absolutely get a shitshow started, both with the women who claim that men daring to talk to women in public is harrassment, and with men saying that talking to women in public is the fast way to getting falsely accused of rape lol. I actually agree with you that talking to people in person and in public is a good idea (in areas where people are friendly, pick your neighborhood and all that), the problem is that there's still a HUGE gap bet… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 02:00 AM |
| 4 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenLol, you missed it, /u/Downtown_Cat_1745 already told me that women are not prey. It's a good thing women are such good communicators that they can understand metaphors so well. There's probably a ton more who thought that and didn't reply either, going by the downvotes I received. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 01:57 AM |
| 0 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Honstly I am rather surprised and very glad to hear that you are in agreement. Something like 90% of women on here would refuse to acknowledge that there ever could be any kind of wide scale systemic problem with how women treat men, as though there's no way women could be anything less than moral angels who can do no wrong. I agree that it is hard to be in a relationship with someone who is emotionally stunted or closed off. The flip side of that would e that it is hard to be in a relationship … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 01:55 AM |
| 1 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Hey, the fact you can say "I'm sorry for you" is already pretty fantastic, that makes you better than 90% of the women on this sub. Most of them can't even acknowledge that this is a thing men experience and that they ought to feel sorry for what men go through. Most women on here just refuse to acknowledge that men can be and are victims or victimized, so you're doing fantastic in comparison! I uh, I i think women overall just want men to have more balanced selves.. dbt is a good way to do that… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 01:47 AM |
| 4 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenWomen don't believe men when men describe how dating is brutal for men. Women don't believe men when men say that men are half the domestic abuse victims, or that men frequently get hit and insulted by women. Women don't believe men when men point out they don't experience all the female privileges women enjoy without realizing. Women don't believe men when men try to explain the gender empathy gap, or explain that men don't get helped if they cry. Women don't believe men when men say that when … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 01:35 AM |
| 8 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenA person who dates you selects you back. And the person who selects back basically has to do no effort beyond saying yes. Hence it puts all the burden on men, which is why men have to figure out how to approach women, date women, ask women out, and all that, and basically have to ask the fisherman how to do the job, because the woman's job is more often than not just sitting back and saying yes. Again, I'd agree with you that women are "not prey" if women would approach men and would ask men out… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 01:34 AM |
| 2 | Does anyone care that dating is better now for women?Oh I agree with you that the whole dynamic has changed beyond all recognition. The dating scene is completely fucked, because not only has the bar scene changed a lot, but the "traditional script" for how to date, how to signal interest, and the acceptable script to communicate that interest, has all been thrown out the window, with absolutely nothing to replace it. They threw the baby out with the bathwater, set the washbasin on fire, shot anyone who approached, and then wondered why men don't … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 01:29 AM |
| 3 | Women are larping loneliness.True that! I shouldn't forget how virulent homophobia comes out so frequently and so easily from the mouths of women who claim to be progressive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 01:26 AM |
| 1 | If you’re wondering why guys do things “women don’t like”. It’s because some women do like it.How is the "burden placed on men" exactly? If the potential relationship didn't work out for either of them isn't that equal? The burden is placed on men because while if the relationship fails it does fail for both of them, but "if one person is a great communicator" puts the burden on whoever that greater communicator will be, and more often than not it's not the woman. So if the man is not a great communicator, the relationship fails, because often women are not great communicators and seemin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 01:24 AM |
| 3 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenWomen are not prey. I mean on the one hand no they're not, but on the other hand if women don't want to be prey then they ought to actively participate in dating and chase men down themselves instead of waiting for men to chase them. It’s more like you’re asking how to get a job from people who don’t have jobs instead of asking interviewers No, it's asking how to get a job from people who have had many jobs, while half the interviewers are saying that the best way to get a job is to ask for the … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 01:20 AM |
| 1 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenWomen don't call men liars, they just don't believe what men say if women don't like what they hear. Women often do believe that men are in fact liars or mistaken, they just don't say it out loud. It's basically a distinction without a difference. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 01:16 AM |
| 0 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Emotional vulnerability is not weakness, it is proof of strength. Except for the near majority of women who treat it as weakness when they see it in men. I kind of agree with you, but the problem is that women apparently decided that they are the sole arbiters of what counts as emotional vunlerability and how men should show emotional vulnerability, and women elected themselves as the sole arbiters of whether it counts as emotional vulnerability or as weakness that gives them the ick. Especially… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 01:14 AM |
| 1 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Well yes, because there's very little correlation between feminism and being open to men expressing vulnerability. The good feminists certainly try to care about men's issues and helping men, but the good feminists are somewhere less than 1/4 of all feminists out there, so yeah, no correlation between feminism and caring about men's emotions. Which is part of why I am in fact an anti-feminist. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 01:08 AM |
| 2 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Funnily enough when men say that to women the men are accused of being misogynistic and hateful. I actually agree with you that choosing better solves A LOT of problems, but for some reason that's one of many things men apparently aren't allowed to tell women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 01:05 AM |
| 1 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Totally fair, and to be fair if you are not a "typical" woman or a "typical" guy, that kinda lands one in the non-average kind of friend circles, where the mainstream nonsense is less likely to happen. At the end of the day, so long as you are happy and living a good life, and happy with the friends you are making, then that's really all that matters :) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 01:05 AM |
| 1 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.I mean that's fair, but asking women about their experiences with men, and asking men about their experiences with other men, is still not the same as asking men about their experiences with women. Not saying your boyfriend didn't have bad experiences, I have some gay friends and they're also disillusioned with how so many gay men just want sex. But there is a specific flavour of awfulness that men experience at the hands of women, and for some reason nobody wants to acknowledge that. The only m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 12:57 AM |
| 0 | If you’re wondering why guys do things “women don’t like”. It’s because some women do like it.Right. You learn. And you try to assume what the woman wants, because you learn that when you ask women what they want, they turn you down and you get rejected. So you learn to not ask because asking leads to failure. What then? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 12:49 AM |
| 4 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenNo but see even a married man with children giving advice about how to attract women, gets called an incel the moment he gives advice women don't like. Therefore despite being a married man with children, since his advice makes him an incel, he automatically becomes a lonely sexless man, and his loneliness, sexlessness, and hatred of women is clearly the reason he's giving advice women don't like. So "men being lonely and sexless can't give good advice" isn't really a useful parameter, because a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 12:13 AM |
| 2 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.To be fair there's also a "what I get for myself intrinsically from a relationship, that doesn't require it being given to me from others". I like to help people and make people happy for example, and that's just something I enjoy that doesn't require anyone to give me anything. But yeah everyone needs to take a good long look at the give vs take to make sure their relationships are worth it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 11:56 PM |
| 2 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.No like her pussy dried up ever since she saw him crying about his dying cat, and therefore he's not getting any pussy anymore. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 10:16 PM |
| 1 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.If by "men" you mean "a tiny minority of men" then sure. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 10:15 PM |
| 1 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Good for that client, he's not going to be stuck with someone who interprets everything he says in the worst light possible. You ever thought he might have meant that you look like how his wife looked like 20 years ago? And if he thought his wife looked good then, that you do too? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 10:14 PM |
| 1 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Millennial women are pretty awesome to other millennial women. 21% of women under 30 in the UK say they have a very negative view of men, compared to 7% of men under 30 who have a very negative view of women. Millennial women can be awesome to millennial men like they can be horrible to millennial men. As a millennial woman you don't have to walk through that minefield. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 10:12 PM |
| 5 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.But if a man opens up, and what opening up reveals is that he doesn't have the emotional maturity one might reasonably expect of a sixth grader, of course she's going to be horrified. Then she's going to be horrified to find out that society basically systematically emotionally neglects and emotionally abuses men, and apparently nobody cares enough to do something about it rather than telling men to do better, man up, and pull themselves up by their own bootstraps, while completely ignoring the … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 10:07 PM |
| 3 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Yall date some heartless women lol Well yeah, there's a fuck ton of women who are heartless to men out there. That's kinda what feminism has been preaching the last few decades, where have you been? Ime most women are perfectly okay with a man showing emotion over big life moments like a loved one dying. Provided that these things are actually big life moments, and not daily dramas Yes, but usually only if the man has enough "manliness credits" to get away with it. The more manly she perceived h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 10:01 PM |
| 0 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Men are also very happy to say they will gladly teach that virgin the knowledge. In contrast many women want men who have experience and confidence and knows what he's doing, but virtually no woman is willing to teach that to men, men are just supposed to gain that knowledge and confidence from the aether apparently. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 09:57 PM |
| 1 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Congratulations, you are the exception to the rule and your partner will be a lucky man. The other 98% of men likely won't find women who tolerate what they will perceive as emotional weakness. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 09:55 PM |
| 0 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Feel free to ask men about their lived experiences with women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 09:54 PM |
| -1 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Congratulations, you are the exception to the rule and your boyfriend is lucky. The other 98% of men likely won't find women who tolerate what they perceive as emotional weakness. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 09:53 PM |
| 0 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.The problem is that both woman A and woman B say they like thing X, but what woman A means when she says she likes X is radically different from what woman B means when she says she likes X. And both are adamant they like the same thing and it's men's fault for not understanding them. It's like asking 10 feminists to define what the patriarchy is, and getting 12 different and often contradictory answers, but they're all adamant they're talking about the same thing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 09:53 PM |
| 2 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Right, so if she wants everything and the opposite, and no man is ever good enough for her and she simply wants perfection, what then? At some point people need to accept that they CAN'T have it all, and living life means making concessions and compromises. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 09:51 PM |
| 0 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.I mean you're not wrong but the process of vetting is SIGNIFICANTLY easier for women. Most men can't get dates at all, so how are you supposed to vet for a partner when you can barely even GET a partner. I absolutely understand the "it's important to find a restaurant you like that serves food you enioy, because you don't want to go every week to the same place and hate it", but that advice is kind of useless when women can go to restaurants once a week and men only once every 6 months. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 09:50 PM |
| -2 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.The problem is that both woman A and woman B say they like thing X, but what woman A means when she says she likes X is radically different from what woman B means when she says she likes X. And both are adamant they like the same thing and it's men's fault for not understanding them. It's like asking 10 feminists to define what the patriarchy is, and getting 12 different and often contradictory answers, but they're all adamant they're talking about the same thing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 09:48 PM |
| -1 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenI mean you're not wrong, but there's a saying about asking the fisherman how to fish, not asking the fish themselves. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 09:45 PM |
| 7 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenFunnily enough women do the exact same thing when they don't like what men tell them. It's almost like it's a human problem, not a male problem. Doesn't mean it shouldn't be called out, but let's not delude ourselves into thinking women aren't just as guilty of this as men are. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 09:43 PM |
| 5 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenI'm actually curious to hear what that change was that could have started a shit show lol. I understand if you don't want to share and don't want to deal with the potential shit show, but if you are willing to DM me, again, I'm rather curious to know. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 09:43 PM |
| 10 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenWell yeah but didn't you know, even married men with kids suddenly become incels the moment they say something women don't like. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 09:42 PM |
| 10 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenWhat do women find attractive?" Women: "Confidence, compatibility, humor, shared values, emotional intelligence, physical attraction, and a hundred other factors." Men: "No, you actually only care about height." At that point why ask women at all? You've already decided the answer. I mean it's not wrong, when those women want men who have confidence, compatibility, humor, shared values, emotional intelligence, physical attraction, and a hundred other factors and who are 6' tall. It's kind of dis… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 09:38 PM |
| 3 | If you’re wondering why guys do things “women don’t like”. It’s because some women do like it.If one person is a great communicator with clear goals that's usually enough. Well yes but then why is the burden placed on men again? Women can afford to be bad communicators and afford to not have clear goals, and it's fine because they guy will pick up the slack. Isn't that kind of implicitly admitting that men are better communicators? If we truly want equality, why are we infantilizing women, excusing poor behaviour in women, not holding women accountable, and saying it's fine if women aren… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 08:33 PM |
| 9 | If you’re wondering why guys do things “women don’t like”. It’s because some women do like it.Many women do do that. Significantly less than half of all women, but many women do indeed do that. Now we just have to convince more women to use their words, and maybe one day we'll reach a point where more than half of all women use their words like that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 04:21 AM |
| 14 | If you’re wondering why guys do things “women don’t like”. It’s because some women do like it.Imagine a woman telling a man what she prefer, using her words and asking rather than letting him guess where she wants to eat or making him guess whether she wants to be validated or she wants actual solutions. Imagine women are able to use their words and communicating like an equal adult rather than putting the entire burden on the man. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 04:11 AM |
| 14 | If you’re wondering why guys do things “women don’t like”. It’s because some women do like it.How are you supposed to know when you can't tell ahead of time? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 04:10 AM |
| 2 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.See I agree that emotions are a good way to connect, and it is hurtful to want a connection and be denied it. It is hurtful to women when they try to make an emotional bid for cnnection and are met with a wall, and it is equally painful when men try to make an emotional bid for connection and are met with a wall. So many of these walls are due to the fact that men and women generally don't feel and express their emotions the same way. That doesn't mean women are wrong for doing it the way they d… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 03:16 AM |
| 2 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.Is there a particular video or particular point about any one of those videos you'd like to discuss? I'm sure there are some good points in those videos I would agree with, but I'm not really willing to watch 9 videos of 20+ minutes each. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 12:51 AM |
| 2 | Women are larping loneliness.Fair enough. I don't know how exactly you would define "ugly people", there were a bunch of people some 5-10 years ago who looked at Jason Mamoa with a bit of a belly and called that a dad-bod, completely ignoring the fact Jason Mamoa was at the top 5% of men in shape at that time. So when you say "ugly" I don't know if you mean the man was genuinely a 3/10 ugly, or ugly because he wasn't an 8/10. Despite all that there are indeed some ugly people who do get into relationships, but that still do… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 12:49 AM |
| 1 | Does anyone care that dating is better now for women?I mean it benefits women in the short term and comes with trade offs, but women can just blame men for all of those trade offs and completely ignore their own responsibility and accountability for the consequences of their own choices and actions. It's really wonderful when nothing can ever be your fault! Per women and genuine options, they have access to the same number of genuine options as they've ever had. The problem is women don't want the genuine options, they want the top options. So the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 12:47 AM |
| 3 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.I've literally been called a misogynist for sharing the stats that men and women both commit, and are victimized by domestic violence at similar rates. Well of course, you dared to say something negative about women, clearly the only reason anyone would ever say anything negative about women is because they're a misogynistic woman-hating incel you see! Meanwhile any woman who says anything hateful about men is totally justified because of her lived experience and women being oppressed by the pat… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 12:43 AM |
| 3 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.Funny how "women are always wrong" is sexist and misogynistic and hate speech, but "women are always right" is totaly correct and fine and good. So many double standards. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 12:39 AM |
| – | If there is no obligations and nobody owes anyone anything. We should go fully, not picking and choosing. Men particularly, Need to simply be selfish and self serving, alot more.Why do you think most women are utterly unwilling to show empathy to men? Serious question, because I genuinely don’t think that’s true. Largely because of the gender empathy gap, and cultural conditioning where women believe themselves to be more fragile, more emotional, more deserving of protection, while the man needs to be strong and bold and assertive and the protector. People literally believe that when a man and a woman go through the exact same experience, that men suffer less. https://w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 12:38 AM |
| 2 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.but I think it's unrealistic for women to expect such drastic change from someone. I mean I agree, but apparently feminism and society in general believes that women are enetitled to demanding whatever they want from men, no matter how drastic the change, while men aren't entitled to demanding anything at all from women. Instead of encouraging people to understand one another, come to a middle ground, and figure things out, feminism just encourages women to flat out make demands and refuse to gi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 12:25 AM |
| – | If there is no obligations and nobody owes anyone anything. We should go fully, not picking and choosing. Men particularly, Need to simply be selfish and self serving, alot more.I would ask of women the exact same thing they ask of men. To listen to men's lived experiences, to acknowledge and understand the issues men go through, and also to not immediately dismiss all of men's issues by saying essentially "well I'm not going to pity fuck men so I don't care and men can go fuck themselves". Meanwhile those women who don't care about men's issues or men's suicide or men being half the domestic abuse or men falling behind in education, DEMAND that men care about abortion,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 12:21 AM |
| – | If there is no obligations and nobody owes anyone anything. We should go fully, not picking and choosing. Men particularly, Need to simply be selfish and self serving, alot more.I mean I agree that men not receiving enough empathy is an argument for showing men more empathy. The problem is most women are utterly unwilling to show any empathy to men. So women should show more empathy, but they don't, while women constantly demand more empathy from men than women are ever willing to give TO men. So in response men give back to women he exact same amount of empathy they get from women, and all of a sudden that's a problem. I agree that showing less empathy is adding more t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 09:33 PM |
| 16 | If there is no obligations and nobody owes anyone anything. We should go fully, not picking and choosing. Men particularly, Need to simply be selfish and self serving, alot more.I would say that men should care about women’s problems AND women should care about men’s. Absolutely. The problem is, what happens when women don't care, but demand that men care? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 10:04 AM |
| 3 | Women are larping loneliness.You haven't said men need to fix the patriarchy, but it is still the overwhelming message present in society. You also apparently ignored how I pointed out that women don't believe men's lived experiences, while simultaneously demanding men believe women's lived experiences. I would like everyone to meaningfully shun abusers. Not have them to family dinners, not hire them, speak up when you have information that can keep more people from getting hurt. I agree, that would be fantastic. The proble… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 06:02 AM |
| 4 | Does anyone care that dating is better now for women?Oh yeah the problem is not the M&Ms, it's basically calling men toxic by using M&Ms that's the problem. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 04:07 AM |
| 3 | Women are larping loneliness.Just to know, how long ago was that? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 04:06 AM |
| 3 | Women are larping loneliness.I mean I agree that most women don't think men are actively lying about their reported experiences, but they still don't believe men. It's not even about being responsible to fix anything, it's just that when men report their own experiences, women basically think "there's no way men's lives are actually like that, that doesn't agree at all with what I believe men's lives are like". The "it's not my reponsibility to fix men's issues" is also often just a deflection away from actually thinking ab… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 03:31 AM |
| 4 | Does anyone care that dating is better now for women?But I think it can be easier to stay chill and calm and step outside heightened emotions a bit when talking about M&Ms or roller skates or whatever to analyze a dynamic, because it puts a little bit of distance between us and the analogy. I mean on the one hand yeah, but on the other hand the M&M analogy is pretty much saying "men are toxic, if you are a man you are toxic", so that one kinda breaks down a bit. I agree that it helps to have analogies if those analogies aren't immediately hateful … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 02:56 AM |
| 3 | Women are larping loneliness.It is a stat for OLD, but more than half of all relationships start with OLD nowadays. If you see ugly and bald dudes in relationships, did they get into the relationship looking like that or did they become bald or ugly after being in a relationship? Starting relationships for guys has gotten tremendously more difficult since covid, so relationships that are 10+ years old kinda "don't count" as much. There's also the fact that just because a man finally got into a relationship, doesn't mean he … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 02:54 AM |
| 4 | Women are larping loneliness.Where I disagree is that even a man with nothing often thinks he should have some level of control over a woman. I mean I agree that this is wrong, but there are just as many women who think she should have some level of control over a man. Women just phrase it differently, but women are just as guilty of this as men are. It's called being human, but for some reason as a society we exclusively focus on men doing this, as though it's something most men are guilty of and that women are never guilt… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 02:51 AM |
| 3 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.You know that's fair, I probably read into your arguments something that wasn't there, sorry about that. I've been seeing far too many people make dishonest comments implying things without outright stating them that I read those into your comment too. Saying social norms influence behaviour isn’t the same thing as saying nobody is responsible for their behaviour. I agree, but for some reason the blame practically always falls at men's feet and practically never at women's feet. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 02:37 AM |
| 3 | Women are larping loneliness.I wouldn't necessarily disagree with you but I guess my initial reaction is what preferences are you referencing that are considered toxic and misogynistic. Fair, and there's an easy way to tell, according to feminism and society. If a woman has preferences, it doesn't matter what they are, they're never toxic or misandrist. If a man has preferences, if any of those preferences in any way shape or form limit or affect women, then they're toxic and misogynistic by default. They don't phrase it th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 02:35 AM |
| 3 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.I mean I agree with you, but I don't really understand how your comment relates to mine? It's nice that you see it that way, and I agree with you, but when a man does that and focuses on solving problems, feminism and feminists often somehow seen as the wrong way to do it or the wrong thing to focus on. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 02:26 AM |
| 2 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.For example, the white women who voted for trump are recieving the same amount of heat if not more compared to the men who made the same decision. Could be but I'm not really seeing it. All I'm seeing are feminists constantly blaming men for electing Trump while completely ignoring and downplaying the fact that 44% of the people who voted for Trump are women. When I point out those statistics to the feminists who loudly blame men for electing Trump, all of a sudden they go silent, like either th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 02:25 AM |
| 5 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.Haha well not every single one of them, but thanks, I try haha! Been arguing in these spaces for way too long honestly, I've seen just about every permutation of those arguments and how they weasel their way around logic, so I try and hit them hard and nail it by calling out those double standards and the lack of logic. For some reason, trying to be logically consistent and having moral integrity appears to be patriarchal and misogynistic. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 02:05 AM |
| 1 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.Oh I agree, but see the thing with men vs women is that generally when men communicate they try and convey information, and it is important for words to retain their meaning to allow effective communication. When women communicate it is often less about conveying information and is more about changing people's perception and feelings. It doesn't matter if words lose their weight and lose their meaning, because you can always come up with a new buzzword, a new comparison, a new expression. Langua… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 02:02 AM |
| 3 | Women are larping loneliness.Well yes, men wish women hadn't such absurdly high superficial standards that they excluded 80% of the male population for something men can't control, like their height or looks. Because, as I said, if men did the same to women, that would be taken as proof of oppressive beauty standards and would be seen as misogynistic. That is the double standard. Men do wish women were less superficial, yes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 01:59 AM |
| 7 | Does anyone care that dating is better now for women?It's honestly amazing how many times I've seen women prove arguments about women right, in their very attempts to prove those arguments wrong. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 01:56 AM |
| 9 | Does anyone care that dating is better now for women?. In a recent case, 4 boys were suspended from school for systematically rating the girls in their school. Now, find an example where girls systematically rated boys to degrade them like that. I don't see why 4 boys should be suspended for expressing their preferences about the girls in their school. Why are you dishonestly framing it like where it's boys doing it on purpose to degrade women? Pretty bad faith of you to frame it in the worst possible light like that. In contrast, here you go, a f… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 01:56 AM |
| 4 | Does anyone care that dating is better now for women?You are right that people aggressively don't care about the dating problems of men. There's a lot of attention being brought to the dating problems of women, as though women are uniquely penalized by it and that it's all men's fault. Men who struggle with dating tend to care about men's dating problems. Most other people just don't care at all. Well yeah, but there's still a huge difference in how society in general cares about women vs men. It's the gender empathy gap. https://www.psychologytod… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 01:44 AM |
| 8 | Does anyone care that dating is better now for women?I agree that comparing people to objects is kinda inherently dehumanizing, but there are ways to do it that are less distasteful than others. If it's done equally to both sides without being excessively harsh on one or the other, then it's more okay than just "men are like a bowl of skittles, some of them are poisoned, so it's better to throw them all in the trash" kind of thing, or even the whole "man vs bear" thing that happened. Funny how the equivalent for women would never have been tolerat… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 01:43 AM |
| 2 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.The problem is also that men generally spend a lot of their lives facing constant criticism and insults and grow a tougher skin for it. There's a joke that women compliment each other but don't mean it, while men insult each other but don't mean it. And there are a ton of women who come across something even just mildly critical or mildly negative, and take it extremely personally, and perceive it as hatred. Men generally face just as much hatred as women, it's just that most men are used to it,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 01:40 AM |
| 2 | Women are larping loneliness.On the one hand it's naturally clear that women just aren't attracted to most men. But for some reason when it,s naturally clear that men are attracted to certain traits in women, that's toxic and misogynistic and imposing oppressive beauty standards. See I'm all for people pairing up with who they want, but we can't as a society constantly demonize men's preferences, and then turn around and say women's preferences are totally fine and good. Treating equality like a one-way street exclusively t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 01:38 AM |
| 10 | Does anyone care that dating is better now for women?When men harm women, they generally actually harm them And when women harm men, they generally actually harm men too. Women do it in a different way, doesn't mean they don't do it. For example, there are the high school girls who falsely accused a boy of rape just because they didn't like him. Women tend to use violence by proxy (getting others to attack for them) and reputation destruction. https://reason.com/2018/10/17/seneca-valley-mean-girls-false-sexual/ Women are just as strong and just as… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 01:36 AM |
| 9 | Does anyone care that dating is better now for women?Yes I do realize he is a man making that comparison, and I don't need to call out his misogyny because there's an army of feminists waiting and ready to jump down any man's throat who dares to say or think anything wrong. There doesn't need to be one more to speak up against misogyny because there's a legion already. In contrast there's nobody to stand up and point out misandry. Feminism is not entitled to infinite help, support, time, and effort from men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/26 06:59 PM |
| 6 | Does anyone care that dating is better now for women?I mean I'm not asking you to change anything and I agree that everyone ought to find the best partner (ie the most compatible person) that they can. What I'm pointing out are the double standards that exist in society. Mating has been and always will be competitive, but the double standard is that when the losers of that competition are men they're seen as acceptable casualties, but when the losers of that competition are women society sees that as misogynistic and unacceptable and a problem men… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/26 06:57 PM |
| 16 | Does anyone care that dating is better now for women?Thank you for the comment, I try and show a different perspective. Unfortunately, double standards and misandry positively abound in society and nobody cares because it is seen as perfectly acceptable. Misogyny was and is a problem and deserves to be addressed for sure, but by that exact same standard so does misandry. And yet the people who scream the loudest about how misogyny is a huge problem, are often the first in line to deny, erase, invalidate, and dismiss how misandry is a problem too. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/26 06:54 PM |
| 43 | Does anyone care that dating is better now for women?Now imagine the cries of "misogyny" you'd hear if men compared women to a sub optimal meal. For some reason as a society we see it as a problem if men choose a self serving option that harms women as an accidental by-product, but as a society we are totally fine if women choose a self serving option that harms men as an accidental by-product. It's a hugely hypocritical double standard. Either its fine for either gender to pick the selfish option even if it accidentally harms the other gender, or… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/26 03:59 PM |
| – | Women are larping loneliness.What do men think women don't understand? That there are far more men who lead absolutely shitty lives, worse than most average women, and that the men at the top they complain about represents a minuscule fraction of all men. Most people at the top of the social pyramid are men, but so are most people at the bottom, and there are far far far more people at the bottom of the pyramid than the top. Most women don't understand that the average man's lived experiences has far less privileges than th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/26 11:51 PM |
| 7 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.1) it is SIGNIFICANTLY safer for women than for men, because it is the socially acceptable and accepted norm for women to be emotional and weak and vulnerable. It's not perfectly and always safe for women, that is true, but women largely don't get dumped because they cry from something that happened to them. There are hundreds of stories of men opening up about their vulnerabilities and trauma and getting immediately dumped. You can't just hand-wave it away by saying "this happens to women too" … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/26 11:37 PM |
| 5 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.I agreed with one part of your point, and then I pointed out you stopped just shy of the actual answer. You said patriarchy is responsible for enforcing gender roles. Except that the patriarchy is either made by and for men, in which case patriarchy is just blaming men, or the patriarchy is reinforced by women, but those women who reinforce the patriarchy have internalized misogyny, but those women have internalized misogyny because of men, so either way blaming the patriarchy is just blaming me… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/26 11:23 PM |
| 2 | Women are larping loneliness.Ok cool but "this problem doesn't affect me so I'll treat it like it's not a problem at all for anyone" isn't a valid solution for any of women's problems or problems about racism, why should it be a valid solution to men's problems? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/26 10:00 PM |
| -2 | Women are larping loneliness.Do you have a source on those studies? Because if they don't define loneliness and just go by self reporting, then it would be the equivalent of someone who hasn't eaten in 10 hours and someone who hasn't eaten in 10 days both reporting that they feel "hungry", but clearly there is an important difference there. Self-reporting is not enough. It being coined as a male loneliness epidemic vs a general loneliness epidemic is just how society views men's feelings and loneliness as more important tha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/26 07:54 PM |
| – | Women are larping loneliness.They are though. Not all those insults and not every single time, but men absolutely get told there's something wrong with them if they think 80% of women are below average in terms of appearance. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/26 07:07 PM |
| 1 | Women are larping loneliness.I mean you're not wrong, but how often do men get kicked in the balls versus women getting ovarian cysts? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/26 07:06 PM |
| – | Women are larping loneliness.A failure of imagination or empathy does not mean a thing doesn't exist. I mean I completely agree with this right here, but see Yeah, it's weird the amount of people here that are like "You are lying... because I can't imagine your problem is real." What you describe here happens all the time to men whenever they try to explain their issues and problems to the vast majority of women, because the vast majority of women don't have a cue what the average man's lived experience is like. As a societ… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/26 07:04 PM |
| -3 | Women are larping loneliness.Yall don't believe we women can be lonely and expect us to listen to yall and have empathy. Of course women can be lonely. It's just there are far fewer lonely women than men and generally have far better social support nets. It's like saying someone is hungry, but are we talking "haven't eaten in 1p hours" hungry or are we talking "haven't eaten in 3 days" hungry? Because the overwhelming majority of people at the extreme end of the loneliness spectrum are all men. If you're not only refusing t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/26 06:05 PM |
| – | Women are larping loneliness.Thank you for caring about and making efforts to understand men and men's issues. It is so incredibly rare, and it is always incredible to see it happen. As someone who is ACTUALLY a feminist it’s very frustrating cause it’s gotten to a point where whenever a woman tells me she’s a feminist I think “‘Okay, are you a dismantle the patriarchy kinda feminist? ‘Or a ‘I just want women to be the patriarchs kinda feminist’” Unfortunately, you are part of the small minority of "good" feminists, the oth… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/26 05:57 PM |
| – | Women are larping loneliness.Very true. And still true that it is still easier for women to find a good relationship, than it is for a man to find a bad relationship. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/26 05:54 PM |
| – | Women are larping loneliness.But for some reason if men say they're not attracted to 80% of women they're called misogynistic, porn-brained, and that the oppressive male gaze is imposing unrealistic beauty standards. Odd double standard in society isn't it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/26 05:53 PM |
| 2 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.And I "love" how somehow it's men's fault for actually responding to what they say rather than responding to what they meant to say, and then they say they don't expect men to be mind readers. And somehow all this is men's fault lol, and pointing out how women are bad communicators means men must be sexist and misogynistic. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/26 05:47 PM |
| 2 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.The pay gap disappears when you take into consideration experience, training, job title, overtime, and more. It is literally illegal to pay women less for the same work. But feminism keeps peddling the debunked pay gap because no matter how wrong it is, or how bad their statistics are by just pooling all women regardless of education, hours worked, experience, and comparing all women vs all men, they keep trotting out the same debunked statistics because it preserves the narrative of female oppr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/26 03:27 PM |
| 4 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.There's a difference between women and feminism. Women indeed do not care enough about men, largely while demanding men care endlessly about them. It's hypocritical and self serving but at least it's a kind of honest double standard based only in selfishness and indifference. Feminism on the other hand quite maliciously twists words, facts, and data to suit their needs in order to deliberately portray men in a horrible light, and twist words to attack, denigrate, insult, and/or blame men. Femini… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/26 02:24 PM |
| 3 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.The thing is that today in the Western world there isn't a single right men have that women don't, and several rights and privileges that women do enjoy that men don't. So if in the Western world women have equal or better rights than men, why do we still need feminism? Why isn't feminism instead focusing entirely on the middle East and Africa and areas where women do not have the same rights? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/26 02:14 PM |
| 8 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.Yes, feminism treats men as though men are defective women. Men don't express their emotions the way women do, so men are wrong. Men don't have the same feelings towards women as women do, so men are wrong. That's not what they explicitly say, but most of their actions are completely in line with the above. They treat men as though being a man and reacting like a man are defects that need to be fixed. They'd positively lose their shit if and when men have the same attitude towards women, saying … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/26 02:11 PM |
| 3 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.I would expect a movement that claims to be about equality, to not treat equality like a one way street exclusively to the benefit of women. That's not equality, that's female supremacy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/26 07:29 AM |
| 4 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.Maybe there are some feminists out there that blame the patriarchy on men, and that is a simplistic view. Whether it is a simplistic view or not, it is the logical conclusion of most feminists out there who believe in internalized misogyny, even if they don't realize it. I think most feminist scholars would argue that the patriarchy is a system of oppression that benefits very few people I mean sure but that's not how 98% of all the other feminists use the term, and it's not the academics passin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 11:52 PM |
| 3 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.Oh yeah then I agree lol. Gotta love how they say something, but what they mean is the opposite of what the words mean. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 10:34 PM |
| 7 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.I mean emotional intelligence is a real thing, but just like emotional labour and clinical terms, feminism uses, abuses, and misuses those terms to weaponize the words against men for sure. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 06:29 PM |
| 4 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.I agree that n'en being emotionally available is more of a better point, but the problem ia that according to feminism, "men being more emotionally available" means "men feeling and expressing their emotions exactly like women do any anything else is wrong and the fault of the patriarchy". This is how feminism treats men like emotionally defective women, instead of recognizing that men are not women and it is totally fine and good for men to be different from women. Feminism has a fantastic PR. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 05:16 PM |
| 4 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.The problem is when men do that, women say men are being sexist and misogynistic. Because women actively want to keep the parts of the patriarchy that benefits women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 05:14 PM |
| 8 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.I mean I am trying not to be too realistic here, if I am they'll never believe us ;) And it's kinda worse, feminism gives a shit about men's emotions only in so far as it benefits women, so it will gladly manipulate men's emotions to men's detriment if it gives women even a minor benefit. Feminism not giving a shit about men's emotions would actually be an improvement. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 05:12 PM |
| 2 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.I hear you it is bleak, but there is more and more recognition that men aren't ok, so yeah it will take time but in say 10 years we should see some big changes in attitudes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 05:07 PM |
| 4 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.Ouch haha you and me both! I do have some hope, we are seeing things slowly shift and change, but it'll likely take another decade at least. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 03:35 AM |
| – | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.I mean it's feminism that started the oppression Olympics game, we're just paying by their rules. Not our fault if men can beat feminism at its own game. Explain to me how society protected these women. When it beat, tortured, arrested, and mocked them? Simple. The overwhelming majority of women were not beaten, torture, arrested, and mocked, and the overwhelming majority of all the people who were beaten, tortured, arrested, and mocked, were men. I agree that some some absolutely were beaten, t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 03:34 AM |
| 5 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.You asked me why I asked if patriarchy was to blame for men being stronger. I gave you the reason. I am happy to hear that you don't think men and women are identical blank slates until socialization differentiates them, but if you recognize and acknowledge there are very real differences between men and women that are not due to socialization, why are you constantly and consistently ignoring that one reason that women don't like emotional vulnerability in men might be due to biology? I said exp… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 03:23 AM |
| 7 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.And men are valued as work horses, and if a work horse does not work it is worthless. In contrast a cow is seen as having inherent value since it can give both veals and milk, and so a cow is almost always seen as more valuable than a workhorse that cannot work. Women were treated as commodities just as much as men were. Would you rather be a coal miners who died of black lung, or a pregnant woman staying at home to care care of her kids? Neither were easy but all men didn't have lives of luxury… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 03:23 AM |
| 14 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.I think feminists make a huge mistake talking about patriarchy as something people built or doing the "who created that system?" thing. Patriarchy developed as society developed, as we started passing down assets. There wasn't a plan or a secret meeting. I mean feminism took the Marxist class war of proletariat vs bourgeoisie and seizing the means of production, and recast it as though you can swap gender and class, and instead feminism has the gender war of women vs men and seizing the means of… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 03:02 AM |
| 8 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.I donate specifically to causes that help men and then one that help women. This is absolutely a good thing and I commend you for it! The problem is you are the exception, not the rule. Most women donate more to women's causes than men's causes and also demand men donate more to women's causes than men's causes. You are doing great and if more women in society were like you it would help immensely! The problem is that most women aren't like you. I know women's issues often involve children and I… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 02:52 AM |
| 10 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.Now we just need to say it loud and often enough to get the other 95% of women to recognize this. I am glad you are willing to stand up for men, hopefully this is the start of the change we need to see. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 02:36 AM |
| 9 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.Therapy is a field dominated by women perhaps, but psychology is not. lol https://www.statista.com/statistics/963476/percentage-of-women-among-psychologists-us/ Women make up 70% of psychologists in the US, and outnumber men in psychology in every country in Europe. Have you been broken up with for crying? I’d like to hear that story. I haven't but there are plenty of other stories out there. I broke up with my ex after a 7 year relationship that turned controlling, toxic, and abusive, except I … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 02:34 AM |
| 12 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.Because women and men are not identical blank slates until and unless society imposes gender roles on them, there are very relevant an very significant biological differences between the sexes, and we can't just pretend those very real biological differences don't exist or font matter. Asking if patriarchy is to blame for men being stronger than women points out how "the patriarchy" can't be blamed for obvious and real physical differences between the sexes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 02:11 AM |
| 10 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.No, men are the ones obsessed with women’s virtue. You’re just describing male ideas about femininity. It’s wrong, but it’s not an idea that came from women, it’s the patriarchal traditional expectation. I mean except for the fact feminism treats women like women are inherently more moral and emotionally more competent than men, while treating men like emotionally defective women who need to be fixed. It's a patriarchal traditional expectation, but feminism is quite glad to keep whichever of tho… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 02:07 AM |
| 13 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.This is not true. Women beg and plead for men to be emotional, act considerately, be honest and affectionate. And then when men DO open up there's a 50% chance they get dumped. That's kind of a big problem you're completely ignoring there. They drag them to therapy and social gatherings and romantic comedies and try so hard to get any emotional engagement from the men in their lives at all. Therapy based on female psyche and in a field dominated by women that often as not treats men like emotion… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 01:27 AM |
| – | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.Society didn't protect or help those women. It very much did. Privilege is invisible to those who benefit from it, and protection from harm is absolutely a privilege women enjoy far far more than men. I'm not saying women never faced any issues. I'm just saying whatever issues you believe that women faced, and they did, men faced 10x worse. It's not that women always had easy lives. It's just that as hard as women's lives were, men's lives were generally worse, because men were generally seen as… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 01:23 AM |
| 9 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.Do you think the patriarchy is to blame for the notion that men are physically stronger than women? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 01:17 AM |
| 21 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.I mean it would be nice if we could tell feminism that, because feminism absolutely sees it as wrong that men refuse to cry and focus on problem solving. Would be nice if we could get feminism to stop treating men like men are defective women that need to be fixed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 01:16 AM |
| 11 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.Do you think the patriarchy is also to blame for the notion that men are physically stronger than women? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 01:15 AM |
| 18 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.What do we call a system that teaches men they’re weak if they’re emotional and teaches women that emotional men are unattractive? We call that system "the female sex drive". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 01:12 AM |
| 31 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.Women are taught to see emotional vulnerability in men as less desirable. Remove "are taught to" and you nailed it. As a society we are busy telling men to open up emotionally to women without ever bothering to make it SAFE for men to open up and make themselves emotionally vulnerable with women. The people who punish emotional vulnerability in men the most are women, not men. And even if we blame "the patriarchy" for this, feminism is in no hurry to try and change this and tell women to do bett… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 01:10 AM |
| 20 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.I think you've listened to too many internet feminists to boil down patriarchy to "men". That's literally the logical consequence of the feminist beliefs, no matter how much flowery language they wrap it up in. Either the patriarchy was built by men or by women, and why would women ever build a system that oppresses them? Therefore the patriarchy is ultimately the fault of men, or the fault of the men who brainwashed women to work against their own best interests (internalized misogyny). It's no… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 01:02 AM |
| 14 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.So men are too busy but women won't help you with your problems? Correct. A few individual women who know the man and care about him might, but the overwhelming majority of women don't give a damn about men or men's issues, while demanding men care about the overwhelming majority of women and care about women's issues. Women are not too busy? We are ... just not willing to help? Correct. Women will say men face issues, but women face more issues, more serious issues, and more pressing issues, so… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 12:59 AM |
| – | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.You're not wrong, but you missed the part where society cares 10x more about protecting and helping women than men. You're showing a perfect example of the lack of empathy endemic in how society views men. "Feminists went through all that suffering, so man up and go through the exact same suffering without any help, support, or empathy". You are proving OP right and your attitude is part of the problem. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 12:50 AM |
| 2 | Women collectively bring up extremely silly arguments to prove that they "have it harder" than men (Spoiler: They do not)Feminist are not the ruling power in any country. And yet feminism has a stranglehold on politics on the left. You cannot be a leftist politician and not be pro feminist it is literally political suicide to not be pro-feminism on the left. Feminism is very much the ruling power in the left in most countries. Men are not the ruling power. Some men have ruling power, but the most people who have no power at all are men. If men were the ones in power, men wouldn't be75% of the homeless people and 7… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/26 12:25 AM |
| 2 | Men and women do not live the same lifeYou know I think I completely misunderstood you, sorry about that! You wrote that the problem is that what is being described is not the experience of the average man. I misread that as "the problem is caused by the average man", as though the man is the problem, and is not the victim. Sorry about that! I can agree with you that what is described is not the experience of 50%+ of men, and is something that happens significantly more to below average men than to average men. I think the point was … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/26 05:44 PM |
| 1 | Men and women do not live the same lifeEDIT: I has completely misread this comment, and read it as "the average man is the problem" and not "you are not describing the average man" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/26 03:58 PM |
| 6 | Is an average woman dating an average man considered "settling?"The problem is that generally, "romantic love" is beautiful and wonderful for the woman, but it is a performance and an expense for men. Romance is almost entirely unidirectional in the woman's benefit, so why should we expect men to endlessly give of their time, money and effort and get very little in return? If romance provided some kind of benefit to men I'm sure men would love to be romantic a lot more, but as it stands romance is treated like it is and should be entirely to women's benefit … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/26 01:08 PM |
| 7 | Is an average woman dating an average man considered "settling?"See it's not that we can't give each other what the other truly desires in an honest way. I think we absolutely can do that in an honest way. We can't get it perfectly right and we can't all get exactly what we want in precisely the perfect way we want it, but we can and should honestly make an effort to make one another happy. I disagree with the "women should give men sex as much as he wants, it's her duty no matter what", but the above is the exact same attitude but gender flipped, it's "men … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/26 01:01 PM |
| 26 | Is an average woman dating an average man considered "settling?"Women care about the behavior they aren’t splitting hairs over a man who acts chivalrous and a man who feels chivalrous. So those women don't care how those men feel so long as the woman gets the behaviour she wants out of him. And somehow this is good??? If you want women to do an action( sex whatever) despite how they are feeling then say that And when men say that they're called misogynistic women hating incels and they're not entitled to women's bodies, if they want women to have sex then th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/06/26 06:16 PM |
| 27 | Is an average woman dating an average man considered "settling?"I mean sure men don't desire to be romantic like that. They just don't. So what do women want men to do? Do women want men to pretend to be romantic and act chivalrous anyways? Is this just an unrealistic expectation women have? It's an odd double standard in society, that we believe women are perfect as they are and they don't need to do anything for men, but that men constantly need to improve and do better for women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/06/26 12:30 PM |
| 16 | Is an average woman dating an average man considered "settling?"Men are just not very resilient and they have a victim mentality. Can you imagine a man saying this about women who write that they want to kill themselves, that women are just not very resilient and that women have a victim mentality? The lack of empathy is staggering. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/06/26 12:27 PM |
| 3 | You can't effectively fight feminism without harming interests of womenSo essentially, if you want to fight against feminism, you need to make them more trouble then they are worth for women. You had me right up until this bit So you need to fight directly against women's rights. Like abortion, birth control etc. in retaliation for feminists working against mens interests. And then you lost me. It does not follow that you need to fight against women's rights. You shouldn't fight against women's rights. It's a losing proposition. It's not even necessary. You can jus… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/06/26 05:49 PM |
| 1 | Why are other Male Subs so Misogynistic?The study you cited doesn't say men are half of all rape victims. Fair, it says men were half of all rape victims in 2011. So either a bunch of women all decided to go out and rape a bunch of men in 2011 and then suddenly stopped the year after, or there are far more male rape victims than most people are comfortable recognizing. an estimated 19.3% of women (or >23 million women) have been raped during their lifetimes (Table 1 Lifetime data is kind of unreliable, because it relies on the long te… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/06/26 02:01 AM |
| 15 | If we are going to save modern dating, men need to experience an ego death in mass.I literally said men who go their own way as such “claim” to be incels That's not what incel means. Incel is litearlly "involuntary celibate", if someone is going their own way it is voluntary. If anything they would claim to be volcels, not incels. because they cannot get sex thus are forced to MGTOW I mean there are men who go MGTOW as a way to basically say "you can't fire me I quit" but there are quite a few men who also quit BECAUSE they have been with a lot of women, and most of those wome… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/06/26 11:01 PM |
| 19 | If we are going to save modern dating, men need to experience an ego death in mass.Funny that because when men do go their own way they're called misogynistic and toxic and sexist and they need to be shut down. Odd game of "heads she wins, tails he loses", men can't win no matter what they do, except the only way for men to win is to do what women tell men to do. Funny that the reverse would never be accepted in society, but having women tell men what to do is not just acepted but heavily encouraged. Odd double standard. We are telling these men we do not want them and yet the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/06/26 10:59 PM |
| 8 | If we are going to save modern dating, men need to experience an ego death in mass.I, in fact, earned more than my husband, by a significant amount our entire marriage (35+ years), in fact he did a SAHD gig, twice; pragmatically, it made more sense for him to stay at home while I went back to work in 2 out of my 4 pregnancies less than a week after giving birth. Also he retired early, at 56, 7 years ago. I retired early, at 57, 2 years ago. He is also only, as he jokes, "5’ 8" in high heels". I am 5’6" for reference. And that is a valid data point in a way. Studies show that w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/06/26 10:56 PM |
| 7 | If we are going to save modern dating, men need to experience an ego death in mass.Women is my orbit do not speak about money/provider/height and the myriad of other projections from men. How many of them are partnered with men who are poorer, shorter, and have less prestigious/ambitious jobs or jobs that have a lower career growth? It's easy to talk the talk, that's why you have to watch what people do, not what they say. And overwhelmingly, women find men who are taller and richer to be more attractive than men who are shorter and poorer, all else being equal. Don't blame me… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/06/26 09:12 PM |
| 11 | If we are going to save modern dating, men need to experience an ego death in mass.Most modern working men I know are ALSO working full time jobs (and far more men than women wkek overtime and travel longer distances to work) to support their wives with the ever increasing cost of living, while juggling domestic work and having/raising children as well. Welcome to equality. This is what women asked for. For some reason you seem to be looking at all the efforts women do as a herculean task, while completely ignoring and dismissing all the efforts men do. Treating equality like … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/06/26 09:07 PM |
| 18 | If we are going to save modern dating, men need to experience an ego death in mass.So you're saying men have to do all these things to now "earn" women's love. What do women have to do in return for the man? How come women get all the benefits and don't have to change one bit, while men have to do all the work and change for women but receive no benefits? Surely you can see how that's a horribly one-sided deal? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/06/26 08:58 PM |
| 16 | If we are going to save modern dating, men need to experience an ego death in mass.And yet women basically use it as an insult to dismiss men and get them to shut up. For example, by calling a married man with kids an incel simply because she doesn't like or agree with what he's saying. Incel used to be more of a self identifying thing, now it's an insult thrown around by women so easily and frequently it just basically becomes "I'll call anyone who I disagree with an incel as a way to shake and dismiss them and what they say". That's not men's fault. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/06/26 08:56 PM |
| 5 | I noticed that many people are performative progressivesThat said, if you want my queer woman perspective, the “tomboys” men say they have no problem dating aren’t really masc at all—they have long/feminine hair, high voices, feminine mannerisms, shave in all the “woman” places, and wear exclusively women’s clothes. Theyre just regular feminine women with “boy” interests, Well yeah? When guys want to date tomboys, they don't want to date another guy. If they did they'd be gay. A tomboy is pretty much a woman (preferably attractive because duh) who sh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/06/26 05:51 AM |
| 2 | If women treat sex as a reward, men should treat his money as a reward.I mean I understand that, and dating apps are based on pretty much looks above all else, but even finding a guy who is witty, kind, intelligent, and humorous is still top 40%. And what you find witty and kind may be completely different from what another woman might find witty and kind. The other problem is that for men, asking women out is difficult and risky, courting women is time consuming and expensive, and more often than not it leads to not having a match. If men are supposed to front loa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/05/26 01:37 AM |
| 1 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”I was being a bit cheeky and matching your energy ;) I do enjoy some good banter haha. FWIW you have changed my mind about who I thought you were, there are a lot of women on here who genuinely are hateful of men and don't want to think or engage beyond just hating men. You did engage in conversation and showed far more than what I had seen at first, and have shown a willingness and ability to engage in good conversation. I wouldn't hate it if we happened to poke fun at each other once in a whil… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/05/26 02:56 AM |
| 2 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”I'mnot saying I know everything, I'm just saying that what you choose to say does reflect on what you believe and who you are to a degree. What you say is up to you. Per matching the energy of men, I have no problem if you match energy with the men who do say "men are lonely, women should be forced to fuck me" by all means go off on them. Just don't go off on other unrelated men who aren't complaining about not having enough sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/05/26 02:32 AM |
| 1 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”I'm happy to hear you are a shoulder to cry on for the men in your life, but I kinda doubt that because I haven't seen you display anything like that on here, and seen you frequently display the complete opposite of the "shoulder to cry on" attitude. What do I do? Listen to the men in my life. Donate to causes that support men's mental health, men on death row, and affordable housing causes. Vote for candidates that support access to mental health, affordable housing, and prison reform. All thin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/05/26 01:36 AM |
| 2 | "Liberal feminism" subsidizes extremism, claiming that feminism wants equality is fraudulent, and if you associate all men with violence, you are hypocriticalThank you for calling out other feminists. You're among the less than 5% of feminists I've talked to who admit to doing that. Agree you're not in charge, but neither are men in charge of locker room talk ;) We can't fix it all, but if we all try and make our little corner of the world better, it would help out. Completely agree that there will always be a small minority who take it to extremes. The problem is that this small minority has kinda taken over a lot of feminism and is pulling hard on … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/05/26 01:32 AM |
| 1 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”I don't see where you asked for examples of problems, was it long ago in past messages or are you confusing this reply with someone else? I'd gladly give you some examples if you want. One problem is that men's issues get constantly dismissed and ignored. Not just lack of sex, but lack of friendship, lack of emotional and physical intimacy, how society is in general hostile to men, how men's feelings are still largely I validated an seen as not serious and not worth addressing, and how there are… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 08:26 PM |
| 1 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”And you bring up dating and sex when it is not relevant, to dismiss and derail other actually serious issues and conversations. You are more interested in dismissing dating and sex struggles than caring about men. That's my point, and thanks for proving it for me. You don't see my actions. You see comments this sub, a debate sub about dating & gender dynamics. I see your actions here on this sub and the choices you make, like bringing up sex and dating issues put of context to derail and dismiss… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 07:29 PM |
| 1 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”You say while you dismiss men's issues and insult men on here. Actions speak louder than words. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 06:58 PM |
| 2 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”Well see it's clear to you from my comments, because you don't agree with me, so you think I must be wrong. You don't seem to care to engage with any of my arguments, instead of just pretending none of men's issues matter while demanding men care more about women's issues. It's clear to you because you don't care about the truth, you just care to have men agree with what you feel. Yes, I can describe those problems, and I can do you one better. I can give women the solution that will eliminate t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 06:07 PM |
| 2 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”Oh no I very much do. Just because I don't agree with everything you say, doesn't mean I don't understand. You telling me I don't understand feminism feels a bit like a creationist telling me I don't understand evolution, or else I would be a creationist like them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 05:04 PM |
| 2 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”So, you either agree with us and understand how scary men are and thus are by default a feminist Well that's fallacious right off the bad, I don't need to be a feminist by default, one can be egalitarian without being feminist. So given your first sentence is kinda fallacious at best or manipulative at worst, we're not off to a great start. Or you don't agree we have the right to find men who are strangers scary and thus shouldn't have any issues standing up against men. I have no issues with wo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 04:31 PM |
| 5 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”I literally gender flipped your words and repeated them back at you. I know you don't believe that at all, I'm just pointing out how crazy you sound. I'm just holding up a mirror. If you don't like what you see in it that's not my fault. You're the one who started with fanfiction, don't get upset when I call you out on it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 04:21 PM |
| 2 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”Y'all act like women don't have agency. Why on earth should women care or help men who aren't having sex as frequently as those men wish? Why is that women's problem to solve? Never said anything about sex, why do you keep ignoring all the other valid problems and keep bringing it back to sex? Do you understand what feminism is? Because it doesn't sound like it. If I call myself a pacifist, but I punch everyone in the face who disagrees with me, will you believe my words or my actions? I see the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 03:45 PM |
| 6 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”Right, saying men ain't shit, men are rapists and abusers, and constantly erasing and dismissing male rape victims and male abuse victims, isn't throwing men under the bus. You keep telling yourself that. Y'all at just making up stories and expecting us to believe nonsense. Ohey look at that when men say women are making up stories and women expect men to believe nonsense, men are told to #believewomen and to believe women's lived experiences. But the moment women say men are making up stories a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 03:41 PM |
| 1 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”Well see if we agree that it is right to be afraid of men who are strangers, then feminists have no right to demand men face that risk when women won't. So either women don't need to be terrified of strange men and the risk is far lower than they believe it to be, or they are right to be afraid and the risk is really that high, and they have no right to demand men be their protectors and providers and fulfill traditional gender roles to benefit women. So which is it? Can't have it both ways. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 03:38 PM |
| 2 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”How did you jump to "men have no agency"? I have no idea how you got there. And yes, women will largely refuse to date or have sex with a man she's not interested in. And women will also apparently refuse to care about, have any empathy or sympathy for, or help men, while demanding men have endless empathy and sympathy for women and endlessly bend over backwards to help women. Not asking women to fuck random men, but you do understand that treating equality like a one way adtreet exclusively to … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 03:06 PM |
| 5 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”Right, so what do you think is a more reasonable number of men we're willing to throw under the bus to get at the one problematic dude? 10? 50? 100? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 03:03 PM |
| 1 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”That's because standing up to other men poses a risk to the man. It's asking a man puts himself in danger for the sake of women, while completely ignoring the danger that man faces, and telling him he's not entitled to any recognition or reward for facing those risks, because it is simply "the right thing to do". I am being hugely hyperbolic here or course, but imagine telling men that they should go to war because its the right thing to do, but that they're not entitled to any extra pay, recogn… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 02:58 PM |
| 1 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”I don't think intersectionaliry was bastardized. Intersectionaliry is inherently based on a hierarchy of axes of oppression, and intersectionaliry inherently assumes that being male, white, and straight can never be an axis of oppression and must always be seen as a privilege. When the SJW's grabbed the term and ran with it, they just fully explored the logical conclusions that were inherently baked into the premises of intersectionaliry. Academics isn't devoid of these problems they are the sou… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 02:51 PM |
| 1 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”Standing up for yourself as a man means standing up to feminism, and standing up to feminism means you must be a misogynist by default. Standing up against men isn't misogynistic if it's standing up against men for the benefit of women, but the moment a man stands up for himself and for other men in any way feminism doesn't approve of that is immediately reinforcing the patriarchy or toxic masculinity or a half dozen other labels feminism has for men who don't toe the line. It's funny how men st… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 02:31 PM |
| 4 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”Should I ask you to name every single man who has ever been sexist to you, and if you can't name them then it must mean sexism isn't a problem? I can't give you the names and academic credentials of every feminist I have talked to, but I can give you some problematic quotes and examples from important feminist figures and feminists in charge of important programs. There is Clementine Ford who said covid isn't killing men fast enough. There is Sally Miller Gearhart saying men must be reduced to 1… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 02:25 PM |
| 2 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”I mean the "men as a class" meme needs to die in the first place because men are NOT a class. It's basically feminism copying Marxism, but substituting the class struggle of the bourgeoisie vs the proletariat and seizing the means of production, with the gender struggle of women vs men and seizing the means of REproduction. Sounds neat, but treating gender as a class fails and falls apart under any close scrutiny and yet feminism has been propping up that Frankensteinesque concept for decades. B… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 02:01 PM |
| 1 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”Oh yeah completely agree, it is violence by proxy. It's kind of funny how feminism and women who claim to be so afraid of violence and who claim to dislike violence so much, are so eager to turn to violence by proxy and get men to be violent on their behalf and get men to deal with and solve women and feminists problems for them. And then when men ask for women's help to deal with men's problems, the same way women demand men help women with women's problem, then the women turn around and say th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 01:47 PM |
| 2 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”My issue is this. If these people are really that much of a danger to you and other men, why wouldn't yall stand up for yourselves as well? Because men standing up for themselves is seen as sexist and misogynistic and oppressing women. So you don't stand up for yourself and you get endless shit from feminism for being part of the problem and not doing enough, and if you do stand up for yourself you're proof of toxic masculinity and you're sexist and misogynistic and you're not doing enough to he… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 01:22 PM |
| 6 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”Oh I completely agree, throwing 200 men under the bus to get at the one problematic guy is totally acceptable, because male victims don't real you see, men have all the power and privilege anyways so it doesn't really hurt men, and if a man feels hurt by this then clearly it's his fault and he must be part of the problem, and men have oppressed women for thousands of years so payback is justified anyways. It's funny how closely that mentality matches up with the narcissists prayer. That didn't h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 01:16 PM |
| 3 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”Blame the feminists, I came to these conclusions by talking with them and looking at the difference between their words and their actions. If I call myself a pacifist but I punch in the face everyone who disagrees with me, will you believe my words or my actions? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 01:10 PM |
| 4 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”You tell me then, who set up the patriarchy? I have talked to people. I saw the difference between how they define the patriarchy, vs how the term is actually used. It's like saying I call myself a pacifist, but that I punch in the face anyone who disagrees with me. Will you believe my words or my actions? You're too online. The pipeline already has it claws in you. Ironically that pipeline came about from talking with feminists. It's like when the left calls it the alt right pipeline that is su… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 01:09 PM |
| 9 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”The problem with the patriarchy is that it is unfalsifiable, it is everywhere and nowhere, it is responsible for everything and it's opposite, and we can never truly know when we've left it behind, precisely because it can never be defined. In as much as feminism uses the term patriarchy it is unscientific and unfalsifiable, and in as much as sociology uses the term patriarchy it has nothing to do with the feminist concept of it. Saying that men are hurt by the patriarchy is problematic, because… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 05:40 AM |
| 7 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”Funny you should say that because men are significantly less likely to hit random women than to hit random men, so random men are far more at risk of violence from other random men. And yet somehow that's never taken into account when women demand men put themselves in danger to the benefit of women, while women largely refuse to do anything for the benefit of men. Bit of a double standard isn't it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 05:30 AM |
| 8 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”For some reason women demand and expect men to bend over backwards to make the world a better place for women, but the moment men ask for help, women turn around and say men aren't entitled to an ounce of empathy, sympathy, or help from women. I'm all for equality and making the world a better place. The problem is most women and feminism seem to treat equality like a one-way street exclusively to the benefit of women, and often at the expense of men. There's doing the right thing, and then ther… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 05:29 AM |
| – | "Liberal feminism" subsidizes extremism, claiming that feminism wants equality is fraudulent, and if you associate all men with violence, you are hypocriticalOh shoot sorry, I didn't notice! They do, of course, but so do all other people at some point. Tribalism is like that. That’s why we are supposed to use our big wrinkly brains to compensate for our baser inclinations. Completely agree. There's a huge tribalism problem within feminism, with people actively encouraged to post shit like "white people start genocides" and that kind of shit does not get called out from within feminist circles. Agree we ned to use our big wrinkly brains to compensate … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 02:55 AM |
| 3 | "Liberal feminism" subsidizes extremism, claiming that feminism wants equality is fraudulent, and if you associate all men with violence, you are hypocriticalIf you control for the variables of poverty and discrimination, denial of education, denial of basic human rights, a legacy of violence and the systematic destruction of culture, (all of which are the legacy of the slave trade and attempts to destroy First Nations peoples), the statistics magically even out. Weird, huh? Cool, so statistically it evens out, so statistically if black people were in the same position as white people, they'd likely have done the same thing. So it has nothing to do w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 01:17 AM |
| – | "Liberal feminism" subsidizes extremism, claiming that feminism wants equality is fraudulent, and if you associate all men with violence, you are hypocriticalWomen aren’t voting to actively castrate men, And men aren't voting to castrate or sterilize women either, I'm glad we agree! it’s a handful of morons on social media. The problem is that this handful of morons are in fact heads of academia who claim that "Although consideration of male victims is within the scope of the legal statutes, it is important to restrict the term rape to instances where male victims were penetrated by offenders. It is inappropriate to consider as a rape victim a man wh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 01:15 AM |
| – | "Liberal feminism" subsidizes extremism, claiming that feminism wants equality is fraudulent, and if you associate all men with violence, you are hypocriticalYou're the one who blamed white people by saying white people started genocide after genocide. The newborn baby is a white person, so by your own logic and your own statements the newborn white baby is also responsible for starting genocide after genocide. Exploiting that privilege and continuing to perpetuate it at the expense of others once he is an adult and responsible for his own choices does make him complicit. Ah cool, so now we have gone from "white people are guilty by association simpl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 01:07 AM |
| – | "Liberal feminism" subsidizes extremism, claiming that feminism wants equality is fraudulent, and if you associate all men with violence, you are hypocriticalBlack people commit crimes AS WELL AS* white people. You make it sound like all crimes are caused by black people. The thing you are ignoring is that black people in America are committing disproportionately more crimes than white people. We can talk about why that is, whether it's poverty or oppression or whatever, but you can't argue against the fsct that black people commit significantly more crimes than white people proportionally. Also no black person has ordered the annihilation of people … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 12:48 AM |
| – | "Liberal feminism" subsidizes extremism, claiming that feminism wants equality is fraudulent, and if you associate all men with violence, you are hypocriticalEeh, when the group members "sin" they get excommunicated and get called "not a real feminist", retroactively erasing their past membership and retroactively removing the in group protection. Feminists generally don't judge feminists on their in group, they cast them into the out group first to justify the judgement. Much as they like to complain about men, women tend to be far more tribalistic than men in this sense, and once someone in the in group has sinned and is part of the out group, then… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/26 10:42 PM |
| – | "Liberal feminism" subsidizes extremism, claiming that feminism wants equality is fraudulent, and if you associate all men with violence, you are hypocriticalDid the baby boy born last week commit crimes? Is the week old baby boy guilty and morally responsive for genocides and world wars? I'm just pointing out the conclusion of your own logic to you. I'm just holding up a mirror. It's not my fault you don't like what you see in it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/26 10:38 PM |
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