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| – | Common media constantly tries to conflate men as a group with their worst denominators to try to impose collective guilt.I'd take the rape culture thing more seriously if rape culture didn't try to constantly and consistently erase the lawyers that near half of all rape victims are men. I'm all for addressing rape culture and sexual assault, but pretending like it only ever affects women and that women couldn't possibly rape men at similar levels helps nobody. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/07/26 03:28 PM |
| – | Even men think men are the problemNot sure if you're talking about my reply or about sodacube's post | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/07/26 02:31 PM |
| – | What do you think about this quote from Bell Hooks?I mean, the extreme prejudice problem has been ongoing for the last 50+ years, soooo..... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/07/26 04:29 AM |
| – | Even men think men are the problemNo yeah absolutely true, there's conflating "sexual assault" like catcalling and saying it's equivalent to rape to insanely inflate numbers, and a bunch of other semantic games and bad statistics, completely agree with you. Thanks for adding more info! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/07/26 02:35 AM |
| – | Even men think men are the problemMen’s desire to make women seem as violent, rapey, and dangerous as them in insane Men do not desire to make women SEEM as violent, rapey, and dangerous as men. Men simply desire that we do recognize when some women are in fact violent, rapey, and dangerous, and to stop pretending like women are innocent angels who can do no wrong. If we want true equality, then that means women are just as good, just as violent, just as smart, just as evil, just as kind, and just as abusive as men. Welcome to e… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/07/26 02:24 AM |
| 4 | A man who can effortlessly get sex is exalted. A man who desires to have sex but is unsuccessful is seen as "entitled ""Entitlement: belief that one is deserving of or entitled to certain privileges" Is it not a privilege to not have to pay for food? Entitlement is about the attitude, not about whether or not other people comply with the entitled person's attitude. People need to get over the idea that they have a right to dictate how others choose to live their lives. Totally fair, but do women want equality, or do they want special privileges? Because equality means women are not in fact entitled to have their… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 02:15 PM |
| 1 | Even men think men are the problemAaah gotcha thanks! The other person might not see it though, might be good to reply to them instead of me, but thanks! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 05:20 AM |
| 1 | Even men think men are the problemI'm not sure why you're replying to me? I don't really disagree with the points you made, but they don't have much of anything to do with the points I made? Per rape vs made to penetrate in crime reports that is very true, the problem is that men are significantly less likely to recognize they have been raped, significantly less likely to report rape, and significantly less likely to be believed about being raped, than women. So official rape statistics, which the definition of varies state by s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 04:08 AM |
| 4 | A man who can effortlessly get sex is exalted. A man who desires to have sex but is unsuccessful is seen as "entitled "The only reason that men here harp on this is because most of them are only dating to try and get sex. I mean, yes? Do you know a lot of people who go dating and DON'T want to have any sex, ever? Generally we'd call those people asexual and they're a tiny minority of everyone. The vast majority of people who date, want to have sex, men and women both. So if he pays and she doesn't put out then they see that as lost money. Which is only a problem if he is expected to pay every time, over and over… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 03:32 AM |
| 1 | Even men think men are the problemI didn't mean to imply that you said all men are rapists, sorry, it was more about "if we treat all men like all men are all potential rapists, that causes problems". So clearly, the solution is not to treat all men like they're all potentially murderers or rapists, and we have to specifically target the rare few men who are rapists and murderers, and leave the vast majority of innocent men alone. so after a year passes a rapist suddenly isn’t a rapist anymore? why are you using per year numbers… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 03:26 AM |
| 2 | Even men think men are the problemThey are absolutely a class, a class is simply a classification of people. Ok fair it's a class, but it's attributing to an entire class of people traits that have very little to do with the actual class. It's like if I said that most murderers are right-handed, therefore we should treat all right handed people like potential murderers. There is no statistical causation between being right-handed and murder, and drawing such an inappropriate correlation causes far more harm than good. for exampl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 03:26 AM |
| 1 | Even men think men are the problemAI is not a source, I can't go look into your picture to see where that data comes from. If you ask AI how many women rape men in the UK it will likely tell you 0, because it is legally impossible for women to rape men in the UK. That doesn't mean there are no women who have ever raped men in the UK though, now does it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 03:01 AM |
| 1 | A man who can effortlessly get sex is exalted. A man who desires to have sex but is unsuccessful is seen as "entitled "if whatever woman he’s asking wants to have sex with him then not really? Ah so it's not about how attractive he is, it's about whether the other person says yes. So when women ask for something and men say no, then she's entitled, regardless of how attractive she is. why are you acting as if i’m the one who invented looks biases ? i’m just describing how it is The thing is, you're conflating looks biases with entitlement. The former is a bias, the latter is a belief that one is deserving of or … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 02:32 AM |
| 1 | Even men think men are the problembut YOU are the one who said the vast overwhelming majority of men aren’t a threat, so why can’t you define threat? I can easily define it if you want. Let's go with murder. The overwhelming majority of men have not and will never murder women. Boom, men aren't a threat to women. A tiny minority of murderous men are a threat to women, but then the threat is murderers, not men. Because if we treat all men like they're all potential murderers, then we're going to have a ton of false positives and … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 02:26 AM |
| 1 | A man who can effortlessly get sex is exalted. A man who desires to have sex but is unsuccessful is seen as "entitled "you asked if women are entitled when they asked to be paid for. so i told you they’re called entitled if they aren’t considered good looking enough So if men demand to have sex with women, but those men are good looking enough, then they're not entitled? It's a strange metric, to judge the actions of a person not by their virtue, their morals, or their consequences, but based solely on how attractive the person committing those actions is. I don't think I'd want to live in a society like that. S… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 02:11 AM |
| 1 | I wish the feminists would at least be open about hating us rather than resorting to all of the denialism and victim blamingWhat do you mean no one is doing that? I've had those conversations and I have seen it happen directly. Do you not trust my lived experiences? | /r/MensRights | 26/07/26 02:06 AM |
| 3 | Even men think men are the problemA tiny minority of men, is still many more men then women, so when we break down populations, a correct statement is "men as a class hold more power then women I agree, but see the problem is men aren't a class, any more than "blue-eyed people are a class" or "black-haired people are a class". You can't just group people together willy-nilly according to a feature and just assume that because something is true of some members of people in that "class", it must be true of all members of that clas… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 02:05 AM |
| 3 | Even men think men are the problemOhey thanks for asking, I went looking and actually found one from 2024! https://www.researchgate.net/publication/386189016_Bidirectional_and_Unidirectional_Intimate_Partner_Violence_A_Comprehensive_Review "Our review indicates that bidirectional violence remains prevalent among all sample types. The average amount of reported IPV that was bidirectional in nature was 52.8% (ranging from 44.8% among middle or high school students to almost 60% among clinical and university student samples). Our f… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 01:27 AM |
| 3 | Even men think men are the problemMen own 80% of the wealth in the world and hold 80-85% of elected or promoted positions of power both politically and in corporate settings globally. Not quite. A tiny minority of men own wealth and elected positions. Elon musk being a billionnaire does not in any way shape or form help the 80% of homeless people who are men. You treat men like men are a class who all look after one another, help one another, and benefit one another, but that is not how it works. Men are not a class. Men holding… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 01:04 AM |
| 1 | I wish the feminists would at least be open about hating us rather than resorting to all of the denialism and victim blamingI don't know what you're trying to say, but again, the conclusions I have come to, I have come to as a result of talking with feminists and seeing how they act vs what they say. I don't like red pill spaces or echo chamber spaces. I want to have discussions where I am challenged and forced to think about the issues. But every time I try and challenge feminists I get with basically a flat out denial that half the men could be domestic abuse victims, the conversations get shut down, and you get ba… | /r/MensRights | 25/07/26 10:31 PM |
| 1 | A man who can effortlessly get sex is exalted. A man who desires to have sex but is unsuccessful is seen as "entitled "men are not victims in terms of the way they get treated differently based on looks. you guys do the same shit to women So if men are not victims because they get treated differently due to the way they look, neither are women victims them. Why asre you saying men aren'T victims? Is it just that men cannot be victims, simply because they're born into the wrong gender? The half of all victims of domestic abuse who are men, are not victims, because they're men? The near half of all rape victims wh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 10:28 PM |
| 1 | Even men think men are the problemSources are kinda pointless until we define "threat". So what kind of threat exactly are we looking for, to find sources specific to that threat? why are you asking me what’s considered a threat when you are the one who said “the vast overwhelming majority of men are not a threat to women” ? Because they aren't. 80% of men will never rape, abuse, murder, or assault women. Why are you blaming the vast majority of innocent men for the crimes of a tiny minority? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 10:25 PM |
| 5 | Even men think men are the problemwomen get blamed for stuff a minority of women do all the time And so do men, but for some reason it's seen as a problem and wrong when done to women, but totally fine and acceptable when done to men. can you give any data showing that the amount of men who are a threat to women is as small as you think it is? I mean first we'd have to define what we mean by "threat" exactly. We can look at murder statistics to see how many women get murdered. Are we talking more threat as in sexual assault? Dom… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 07:18 PM |
| 2 | Even men think men are the problemWomen who are caution or afraid of men don't need to talk about men who are abused at the same time, but the point is relevant when it's a talk about domestic abuse victims, because men are half the domestic abuse victims. As for "Whether you feel like you're being blamed or not doesn't change the fact you ARE being blamed when people say stuff like men rape women or men abuse women", you're just asserting something without backing it up at all. If I say "Germans are responsible for the holocaus… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 07:07 PM |
| -1 | A man who can effortlessly get sex is exalted. A man who desires to have sex but is unsuccessful is seen as "entitled "When you say men aren't victims, are you referring to men in dating circles? Or are you saying that the half of all victims of domestic abuse who are male, and the almost half of all rape victims who are male, are not victims at all? If we're talking within a dating context, it's also really inappropriate to pick the behaviour of some of the worst men, and then use that as a basis to judge all men. Some men act the way you say they do, but they're not the majority, so why should the innocent maj… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 06:51 PM |
| 10 | Even men think men are the problemComparisons are erasure when the point is to erase the male victims and focus solely and exclusively on female victims. Next time, start by acknowledging that men are half the domestic abuse victims and that women are half the domestic abusers. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 06:30 PM |
| 3 | A man who can effortlessly get sex is exalted. A man who desires to have sex but is unsuccessful is seen as "entitled "I don't go spying on people's profiles, I just let them come as they are and interact with me based on what they say. Completely agree with you on the entitled hypocritical shrodinger's feminists in the US (And Canada, I'm up here). I hear feminists are much less insane in Europe generally, though there are still pockets where they're trying hard to one-up the American ones. Australia also has its own brand of crazy feminists, but I'm not going to blame all feminists for the actions of any one o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 06:29 PM |
| 8 | Even men think men are the problemThank you. I very much appreciate the honesty. I am not saying women don't face issues, women do and they do deserve help. It'S just that men face serious issues too and men also deserve the same help that women would get. It just infuriates me so much that feminism works so hard to dismiss, invalidate, and ignore all the male victims, because it doesn't fit the feminist narrative of male violent oppressors and female innocent oppressed victims. ALL victims deserve help, regardless of their gend… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 06:12 PM |
| 5 | Even men think men are the problemDoes it mean if a man gets abused, he should be denied help and resources just because he's the wrong gender? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 06:09 PM |
| 11 | Even men think men are the problemSeverity of violence and frequency of murder doesn't change the fact half the domestic abuse victims are men, that half the domestic abuse is reciprocal, and that 75% of unidirectional domestic abuse is female on male violence. Obsessing over the less than 5% of cases where DV leads to murder doesn't change the metrics, it just means you're willing to ignore half the domestic abuse victims because it doesn't fit the narrative you want to see where women are always the mosetest oppressedest victi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 06:09 PM |
| 7 | Even men think men are the problemHaha thanks, I try. I have a folder with bookmarks on my browser, it's got 300+ citations like this in it. It really infuriates me because feminism funds studies to account precisely for the most obscure and least impactful ways that women are being oppressed by men, but when men are LITEARLLY HALF THE DOMESTIC ABUSE VICTIMS AS TRACKED BY DOZENS OF STUDIES IN THE LAST FEW DECADES all of a sudden feminism doesn't care and can't be bothered to recognize any of that. So I'm forced to do feminists' … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 06:07 PM |
| 13 | Even men think men are the problemOverwhelmingly, women. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4062022/ "For example, in 2011 the CDC reported results from the National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey (NISVS), one of the most comprehensive surveys of sexual victimization conducted in the United States to date. The survey found that men and women had a similar prevalence of nonconsensual sex in the previous 12 months (1.270 million women and 1.267 million men).5 This remarkable finding challenges stereotypical assu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 05:17 PM |
| 12 | Even men think men are the problemThat isn't saying men cant be hurt by women, just that on average it happens to women from men a lot more than the other way around. Except that men are half the DV victims and near half the rape vcictims. It'S not that it happens a lot more that men hurt women than the other way around. It's that as a society we only pay attention when men harm women, and actively dismiss and discount when women harm men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 04:55 PM |
| 6 | Even men think men are the problemGot to say man, I've never felt like I'm being blamed or held accountable for the bad men (except on rare occasions, but those are specific instances and not a larger pattern). Whether you feel like you're being blamed or not doesn't change the fact you ARE being blamed when people say stuff like men rape women or men abuse women. That it does not affect you does not mean it won't affect others, and you not being affected is not a reason to let that kind of bigoted language go unchallenged. The … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 04:54 PM |
| 7 | A man who can effortlessly get sex is exalted. A man who desires to have sex but is unsuccessful is seen as "entitled "I'm glad we agree. Now if only society could actually recognize and call out entitlement from women, instead of completely ignoring it, and blaming everything men might do or want as entitlement, even if it's not entitlement at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 04:36 PM |
| 5 | A man who can effortlessly get sex is exalted. A man who desires to have sex but is unsuccessful is seen as "entitled "And that's the way it should be! But unfortunately in N America you are part of the minority of women who think like this it seems. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 04:36 PM |
| 8 | A man who can effortlessly get sex is exalted. A man who desires to have sex but is unsuccessful is seen as "entitled "They want this from all men, whether the man wants to or not, and justify it by saying "whoever asks the other one out should pay". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 04:22 PM |
| 10 | A man who can effortlessly get sex is exalted. A man who desires to have sex but is unsuccessful is seen as "entitled "Are women entitled because they want men to pay for dates? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 04:14 PM |
| 16 | Even men think men are the problemAlso important to note that the vast overwhelming majority of men are not a threat to women. It's a small minority of men causing the vast majority of the damage, but for some reason all men catch flack for that and are held responsible for something they didn't do. As a society we recognize it's wrong to judge an entire group of people by the worst few examples among that group. It's wrong to blame all people of a certain race, religion, or sexual identity, according to the worst few members of… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 04:09 PM |
| – | It is not true that consenting homemakers are considered "valid" by feminism.If men really wanted to be stay at home dads and saw it as a privilege, they would be trying like hell to make that happen. The problem is that there are far more men willing to be stay at home dads, than there are women willing to support stay at home dads. You're kinda missing half the picture here. No, they have always left that to women because they know in most cases it’s a bad deal. Then why are there more men willing to be stay at home dads than there are women willing to support them? If… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 04:06 PM |
| 2 | I wish the feminists would at least be open about hating us rather than resorting to all of the denialism and victim blamingHappy cake day! And per everything that is said, that's the thing. I pay attention to what is said, but I also pay attention to what is done. If I call myself a pacifist, but I punch in the mouth anyone who disagrees with me, will you believe my words or my actions? Because while the words of feminism are good, as the saying goes, talk is cheap, and you have to put your money where your mouth is. And over and over and over again, as much as feminism talks about equality, in practice feminism tre… | /r/MensRights | 24/07/26 04:01 PM |
| 1 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:I mostly agree, except for the death cult bit. I don't know what you mean by that, can you expand on that a bit? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 06:24 PM |
| 3 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:What about the fact men are 80% of suicide victims, half the domestic abuse victims, and near half the rape victims? Does none of that matter? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 05:45 PM |
| 4 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:If you don't critically evaluate feminism how can you know if it is good or if it made a mistake? And if you don't critically evaluate feminism, then you can't know who is understanding or misunderstanding it. It's basically taking a faith based approach of "I know feminism is right and everyone saying otherwise is wrong, because I just believe it." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 04:08 PM |
| 4 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:You appear to use critical thinking against anyone who is critical of feminism, and then turn around and throw critical thinking out the window when you yourself have to critically evaluate feminism. You're not calling out people who aren't using critical thinking, you're calling out people who criticize feminism while you yourself completely refuse to critically examine feminism. Huge double standard. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 04:01 PM |
| 2 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:No, I'm saying it IS a cause for concern, but you don't care about men and men's issues and you think your own personal feelings should be taken more seriously and be considered more important than the issues men face. It's called psychological projection. You don't give a damn about men, so you think that I must think the same and I must not give a damn about women. Sorry, but I actually care about all victims, not just those of my own gender and I also care about moral and intellectual integri… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 03:59 PM |
| 3 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:They're issues when it happens to women and memes when it happens to men. Gotta love the double standards. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 03:57 PM |
| 2 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:Sorry, but it's not hypocritical to go after feminists by pointing out how feminism itself is being hyoocritical. I'm not saying it because I'm personally offended, I'm pointing out how hypocritical and intellectually bankrupt feminism is. It's not about my personal feelings, it's about the moral and intellectual failure of feminism as a movement. If feminism is morally and intellectually bankrupt we either need to stop listening to it, or feminism needs to do better. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 03:55 PM |
| 3 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:You don't get to just use context as a get out of jail free card whenever you want, and decide others can't do the same. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 03:53 PM |
| 3 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:It's funny that the two choices are either that feminists can say whatever they want and it must never be interpreted in a bad light while they can take the worst interpretation of whatever anyone else is saying, or we need to end all meme culture. Funny that the choices are either double standards in favour of feminism, or shut up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 01:42 PM |
| 3 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:Are you seriously falling back on shaming men and implying men are weak and afraid, using dishonest emotional manipulation tactics instead of making proper arguments like a mature adult? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 01:41 PM |
| 6 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:"Feminism is for men too!" "Yeah no we don't give a damn about any of the issues men face, women's problems are always the priority". Gotta love that trickle down equality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 01:39 PM |
| 2 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:Ok cool, I've seen the context and nuance of feminists using notallmenbutalwaysaman as a slogan. Now what? Feminism isn't some thing with a clear leader. What one feminist does isn't a representation of all feminists. I agree. But when a ton of feminists all come out with the exact same kind of abhorrent misandrist nonsense like this, and none of the other feminists disagree with them or call them out on it, that's a problem. If feminism isn't condemning the blatant misandry, it is condoning it.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 06:41 AM |
| 2 | I'm starting to think men don't consider women they're not attracted to to be womenI mean, you're not wrong, but it's largely because women seem to feel entitled to commitment from men, without them having to work particularly hard to deserve commitment. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 05:54 AM |
| 1 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:Right, but who gets to decide what is and isn't the appropriate context? After all you say #notallmenbutalwaysaman is in the context of a joke not meant to be taken seriously. I say the context is having seen and heard feminists directly and actively use it to support their arguments. So who gets to decide which is the appropriate context? I'd consider a slogan of the Me Too Movement. Which isn't feminism either. Potayto potahto. It's a distinction without a difference. Feminism isn't some nebul… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 05:44 AM |
| 1 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:Oh cool so I guess #believewomen is not a feminist slogan either and we don't need to take it seriously. Nobody likes it when someone says something offensive on purpose, then tries to pass it off as a harmless joke if people don't like it. This is what feminism has become, the equivalent of a frat bro making offensive remarks and then going "its just a prank bro don't take it seriously". And then feminism wonders why men don't take it seriously. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 05:32 AM |
| 7 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:They're just sarcastic comments and jokes. Stop taking rape jokes so damn literally. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 05:29 AM |
| 2 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:We'd love to, as soon as feminism stops using those slogans so pervasively and starts actually taking a stand against them, instead of encouraging them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 04:15 AM |
| 1 | Why don't men speak up more about male rights?Fam, I literally have only heard of men being dismissed by men FROM MEN THEMSELVES. Ok cool but the plural of anecdote is not data. I've never seen racism with my own two eyes, does it mean racism doesn'T exist? I’ve had male victims tell me that they don’t feel safe confiding in OTHER MEN. I did not hear this from women, but from MEN. Yeah, this is indeed a problem. Men as a group are so traumatized, so emotionally neglected, and have received so little empathy, help, or support, that they cann… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 11:43 PM |
| 3 | Why don't men speak up more about male rights?Fam, everyone including feminists shouldn’t downplay the abuse men face. And yet, many feminists do, just like you do here and you did in the other reply. So what do you think happens when fighting for men's issues means fighting against feminism? That doesn’t require attacking feminism at its core unless that’s just a cover for you to the feminism. And yet feminism at its core constantly attacks men and constantly and consistently erases and dismisses male victims of rape and domestic abuse. So… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 11:10 PM |
| 4 | Why don't men speak up more about male rights?Ok, and what do you have to say to men that belittle and mock male survivors of SA and rape? We say that these men are victims of a system that tells them that they are inherently worthless and valueless until and unless they get to have sex with women, which is why they mock male survivors of SA and rape because they're saying essentially "why are you complaining about gaining value/prestige". But these men are VICTIMS of a system that devalues men. And feminism and feminists, every single time… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 10:57 PM |
| 6 | Why don't men speak up more about male rights?It's fighting against feminism because every time men try to talk about men's issues, feminism fights back, and tries to dismiss, invalidate, deny, or erase the issues men face. Feminism started the Duluth movement and actively opposes recognition that men are half the domestic abuse victims. Feminists like Mary Koss instructed the CDC to specifically and deliberately erase male rape victims of female rapists from rape statistics. Those people should be called out, but they don't, they get defen… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 07:29 PM |
| 5 | Why don't men speak up more about male rights?I do not. And yet every time men fight for men's issues, feminists are first in line to dismiss and invalidate male victims and men's issues. So what do you think happens when fighting for men's issues means fighting against feminism? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 05:49 PM |
| 4 | Why don't men speak up more about male rights?The problem is men inflict more damage. You can't argue this. It's not like there's hidden male murder victims and secret female killers. That's too cospiracy. So because less than 10% of men cause damage, the other innocent men who are raped and abused don't deserve any help or support? Is that really the argument you want to be making? Thank you for proving my point for me, that you don't give a damn about male victims. Remember that if one of your male relatives gets raped or abused, he doesn… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 03:48 PM |
| 6 | Why don't men speak up more about male rights?You say this, and yet it is feminism that consistently and constantly downplay men's issues and male victims of rape and domestic abuse. In theory you are completely correct, in practice it is the complete opposite Every single time I bring up data about how men are half the domestic abuse victims and near half the rape victims, feminists have basically alway reacted by dismissing, invalidating, or trying to poke holes in the data. Virtually none of them care that there could be a HUGE amount of… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 03:37 PM |
| 6 | Why don't men speak up more about male rights?You say this, and yet it is feminism that consistently and constantly downplay men's issues and male victims of rape and domestic abuse. In theory you are completely correct, in practice it is the complete opposite but what usually happens is that many men's rights activists are misogynists who take the opportunity to shit on women, and then act like victims. And yet every single time data comes up showing men are half the domestic abuse victims and near half of all rape victims, feminists are t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 03:10 PM |
| 7 | Why don't men speak up more about male rights?What do you think happens when fighting for men's issues means fighting against feminism? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 06:22 AM |
| 4 | Why don't men speak up more about male rights?when people say "fight for social issues" it means exactly that. You speak up, people don't like it, and you instead of acting offended you fight back until you convince everyone you are right. What do you think happens when fighting for men's issues means fighting against feminism? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 06:22 AM |
| 6 | Women Sometimes Do Bad and Anti-Social Things towards Men and Boys. This is a Radical Idea to Women Here.Unfortunately it is a radical idea to the majority of women here. I am happy to see you are the exception, but you are the exception. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/26 02:22 PM |
| 6 | Women Sometimes Do Bad and Anti-Social Things towards Men and Boys. This is a Radical Idea to Women Here.Given the definition of radical feminism is believing in the patriarchy and that 90%+ of feminists believe the patriarchy exists and needs to be fought against, it's a distinction without a difference. The 10% of feminists who don't believe in the patriarchy are a tiny and powerless exception. The feminism that is in power, that affects social programs, politics, and public health measures, is radical feminism. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/26 04:37 AM |
| 3 | Women Sometimes Do Bad and Anti-Social Things towards Men and Boys. This is a Radical Idea to Women Here.Women are definitely capable of being psycho and crazy too. Would be nice if this was acknowledged instead of constantly dismissed, ignored, and that anyone who points it out gets called a misogynistic woman hating incel. The issue is, that men do the vast majority of violent crimes. It would also be nice if they could acknowledge that the overwhelming majority of men have not, do not, and would not ever commit violent crimes, and that they are blaming the vast majority of innocent men for the a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/26 03:51 AM |
| 6 | Women Sometimes Do Bad and Anti-Social Things towards Men and Boys. This is a Radical Idea to Women Here.There are feminists in this very sub who think it's impossible for women to rape men. And they don't get called out by the other women and feminists. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/26 03:33 AM |
| 3 | Women Sometimes Do Bad and Anti-Social Things towards Men and Boys. This is a Radical Idea to Women Here.I don’t stay friends with a woman who puts down men as a whole. It’s about being a human being. You do realize feminism puts down men as a whole constantly and treats men as basically subhuman, right? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/26 03:32 AM |
| 12 | Women Sometimes Do Bad and Anti-Social Things towards Men and Boys. This is a Radical Idea to Women Here.Please speak up on behalf of the boys, because nobody will listen to either the boys or the men. Thank you for caring and treating boys with basic human dignity. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/26 03:29 AM |
| 3 | Debate: Women engage in rape apologia of male victims more than men doAnd I find it incredibly ironic that the exact same feminism that is basically hyper vigilant against the tiniest microscopic speck of misogyny, is not only completely blind to the rampant misandry in their own movement, but is often as not actively encouraging misogyny in their eternal crusade against the ever present and all powerful patriarchy. It's like, "remove the Empire State Building out of your own eye before you ask men to remove the speck in their eye." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 05:38 PM |
| – | what preferences are women allowed to have?Women are allowed to have whatever preferences they want. They're just not entitled to not being judged a shallow and superficial, if they have shallow and superficial preferences, that's all. Women can have whatever preferences they want, they just have to accept the judgement that comes with their preferences. Don't want to be judged as shallow and superficial? Don't have shallow and superficial preferences. It's that simple. woman has a preference for a man who’s rich or just financially stab… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 03:04 AM |
| 2 | Fellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? DiscussGood question, why should I care about women? See I care because it may come as a surprise to some, but men are human beings with feelings as well, and men are just as deserving of basic human empathy and compassion as women. And just like we ought to address the issues women face so women have a better life in society, so too should we address the issues men face so men also have a better life in society. Bro just focus on your own dating / sex life and stop worrying about what other people are… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 02:06 AM |
| 2 | Fellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? DiscussI get worked up about this stuff because I hate how male victims get dismissed and invalidated, usually by the exact same people who want people to care more about female victims who go through the exact same thing. I also get worked up about double standards, hypocrisy, and lying just to paint the other in a worse light to prop oneself up. I find that especially galling when it comes from people who claim to care about equality, then treat equality like a one-way street exclusively to the benef… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 02:03 AM |
| 2 | There’s no point in women freely give away sexual attention when men dont appreciate it.It’s not that you want people to listen to men, is that you want people to listen to the men that agrees with you. Ironic, when you don't want to listen to the men who disagree with you either. You find the men who are an outlier, an extreme, and pretend like this outlier and extreme group is the average normal man. And then you tell men they are wrong when men tell you their own lived experiences. Bit of the pot calling the kettle black there, isn't it? And as for incels, multiple governments, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 01:49 AM |
| 2 | There’s no point in women freely give away sexual attention when men dont appreciate it.So women didn’t lie to men, it’s you guys lying to each other. Right, women can do no wrong and it's always the fault of men. Remember, it wasn't men who wrote 50 Shades of Grey or made it an international best seller. You talked about the average man, most men don’t bitch about these things. The average man isn’t going around blaming women for a belief from FICTION MADE BY MEN. I don't think you have a clue what the average man actually thinks. I'm sure you think you do, but I'm equally sure yo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 01:46 AM |
| 5 | Debate: Women engage in rape apologia of male victims more than men doNot necessarily, some makeup looks natural so many men can't tell that she is wearing makeup even when she is. Talking isn't the only way to lie. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/26 06:57 AM |
| 11 | Debate: Women engage in rape apologia of male victims more than men doSo do you think women coerce men when they lie about their looks with makeup? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/26 06:54 AM |
| 5 | Fellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? DiscussDo you really need it written black on white for a woman to say "yeah I falsely accused this guy because I thought he was ugly"??? You do realize that's basically never going to happen right? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/26 06:41 AM |
| 6 | Debate: Women engage in rape apologia of male victims more than men doIt must be a hard life you live, that you get coerced all the time every time someone tells you a white lie. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/26 06:23 AM |
| 11 | Debate: Women engage in rape apologia of male victims more than men doI mean you're not wrong, but there are feminists in this very subreddit who believe that it is impossible for women to rape men, since men are stronger and can just push the women off. I agree we need more education, but as OP's link demonstrates, victim blaming and rape apologia against women has decreased, while victim blaming and rape apologia against men has increased. Something very wrong is happening there. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/26 06:22 AM |
| 1 | Debate: Women engage in rape apologia of male victims more than men doYou need to add prison rapes Factually correct, when we count prison rape men are in fact the majority of rape victims. but the bigger question is who is the one raping the man? Overwhelmingly, women. Including female prison guards. Female prison guards and male prisoners might have consented, but due to the power differential it is still counted as rape (as it should). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/26 06:20 AM |
| 11 | Debate: Women engage in rape apologia of male victims more than men doWhen women call this whataboutism, it's usually because you're bringing up male victims in response to women talking about women being raped, rather than starting a discussion about male victims on its own. And when a discussion about male victims gets started on its own men get told women are the primary and main victims so we should talk about and address women being raped more and first. Also, a large portion of male rape victims are victimized in prison. Almost but not quite true actually. h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/26 06:18 AM |
| 3 | Fellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? DiscussOne is women being treated like a pure innocent angels who can do no wrong by default, being seen as kinder, more moral, and more virtuous. In contrast men tend to be treated like potentially violent murderous rapists by default until or unless proven otherwise. Equality means women are just as smart, just as terrible, just as kind, just as superficial, just as selfless, and just as abusive as men, so we ought to combat that unfair female privilege of being seen as more virtuous, in the same way… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/26 03:51 AM |
| 1 | Fellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? DiscussI mean it's a fine distinction, but it is an important one. Without that fine distinction, we completely erase and gloss over the blatant entitlement, and it's that blatant entitlement that is basically the source of 90% of the problems here. Women are totally allowed to act upon their attraction, the problem is that for some reason it's seen as a problem when men do the same and act upon their attraction. Either it should be ok for both gender, or not ok for either gender, to act on their attra… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/26 03:49 AM |
| 1 | There’s no point in women freely give away sexual attention when men dont appreciate it.You can always find exceptions to everything. The question is then, are the experiences of the men you liked, representative of the experiences of the average man? And the answer is, no, they're not. You can keep picking all the exceptions you like, that still doesn't invalidate the majority. You can name literally all the black people who live in Canada one by one, that still won't change the fact that most people who live in Canada are white-skinned. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_origin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/26 03:42 AM |
| 2 | There’s no point in women freely give away sexual attention when men dont appreciate it.I mean yeah that's asshole behaviour, but as much as that was an asshole way to go about it, he did signal his preference. They just fuck it up because they’re assholes. And yet for some reason it's the assholes who have the least trouble finding women to be with. Funny how that works out. Guys here swear that women told them being nice would get them laid, and I’m still waiting for that evidence. You mean the overwhelming evidence everywhere in society where every single story about love is bas… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/26 03:39 AM |
| 6 | Fellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? Discusshttps://www.dailymail.com/news/article-6244083/High-school-clique-mean-girls-sued-targeting-boy-false-allegations-sexual-assault.html "A clique of five girls falsely accused a teenage boy of sexual assault in Pittsburgh. The unnamed boy was fired from his job and served time in juvenile detention. The girls later admitted to making up the allegations because they 'don't like him'" Good enough? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/26 03:33 AM |
| 1 | Fellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? DiscussThat's not a double standard. Everyone is entitled to baseline standard of civility and politeness. No one is entitled to attention or attraction. The double standard lies in the contradiction between what they SAY they are attracted to, and what they actually RESPOND to. If I call myself a pacifist, and I punch everyone in the face who disagrees with me, will you believe my words or my actions? And women cannot say they are attracted to kind caring smart men, and respond exclusively to tall str… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/26 03:26 AM |
| 10 | Fellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? Discusshttps://np.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1uxsnpw/i_was_almost_framed_for_rape_in_2019/ https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/dec/13/duke-lacrosse-rape-falsely-accused-crystal-mangum https://abcnews.com/Politics/student-falsely-accused-sexual-harassment-denied-due-process/story?id=58592962 The stories are out there. There are hundreds of them. Nobody cares and they get called fake, because the feminist narrative is that there's no way women could ever do bad things to men, and anyways bette… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 09:38 PM |
| 5 | Fellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? DiscussMen get offended when mid women are attracted to men who are much more attractive than them. They think these women are being delusional at their chances of actually attracting these men beyond anything that is sexual. Men don't get offended when mid women are attracted to highly attractive men. Men get offended when mid women believe that they are entitled to relationships with men who are much more attractive than them. Men get offended when these delusional mid women believe themselves entitl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 09:33 PM |
| 12 | Fellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? DiscussGenerally I agree, the double standards creep in when society sees it as discriminatory and unacceptable when men do it to women, but totally fine and justified when women do it to men. Treating equality like a one way street exclusively to the benefit of women isn't equality at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 09:27 PM |
| 5 | Fellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? DiscussFellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? Discuss I mean that depends. Are we going to call it discriminatory when men experience attraction? I don’t get why men act like women experiencing attraction and treating guys differently based on whether they’re attractive to them is so cruel and terrible and some sort of double standard? Oh no women are absolutely allowed to treat men with massive double standards depending on whether they find him attractive or not. They just h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 09:24 PM |
| 4 | There’s no point in women freely give away sexual attention when men dont appreciate it.I don't know why you think men almost never acknowledge that. Most men absolutely do acknowledge that, and would condemn the man for doing something bad. What men don't like is women blaming all the other innocent men, for the actions of that one bad man. Some women do like bad boys, some women are attracted to traits that are close to bad traits, like mistaking arrogance and confidence, and women generally preferring benevolent sexism even if it's often associated with actual hostile sexism, in… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 08:26 PM |
| 3 | There’s no point in women freely give away sexual attention when men dont appreciate it.No one is stuck in a relationship but let's not pretend like solitude and loneliness aren't painful, and let's not pretend like breaking bonds isn't also painful. People are not unemotional robots, we all have attachments and create bonds with one another. Pretending it isn't so and evaluating the situation like we're all emotionless robots is not useful. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 07:51 PM |
| 5 | There’s no point in women freely give away sexual attention when men dont appreciate it.I mean I have no idea if the woman was rude to him first and the guy was rude in return, or if he was just an asshole and the other guys who see nothing wrong are also assholes, I don't know. But you making the jump from "well I showed this video to guys online" to"therefore men have tons of options on dating" is just completely wrong. You're basing your entire reasoning about men in general off of one anecdote. Look, do you want men to listen to women's lived experiences, yes or no? Because if … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 07:48 PM |
| 6 | There’s no point in women freely give away sexual attention when men dont appreciate it.Of course, everyone is responsible for who they choose to date. But if people ask "why are people telling women to choose better and not men", well, this is why. When women have 20x the choices men have, they have many more good partners to pick from, they're not stuck with whatever crappy hand they happen to be dealt with like most men. Everyone can complain for sure, but women complaining that they can't get good men, while men largely can't get dates at all, is like someone complaining that n… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 04:49 PM |
| 11 | There’s no point in women freely give away sexual attention when men dont appreciate it.That's because women overwhelmingly have massively more choice than men do. Women on dating apps on average have 20x more matches than men do. Women approaching men IRL have SIGNIFICANTLY higher chances of actually getting a date and not getting rejected. Men do not have that luxury. Men and women are basically playing completely different games when it comes to dating with different rules. Women have the luxury of basically choosing whoever they want, while men largely have to do the best they … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 04:00 PM |
| 2 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.I'm quoting a literal study that I cited at the top of my comment. I don't hate women, I hate how feminism lies about domestic abuse. I'm sorry you believe that any numbers you don't like are "made up". I sincerely hope no boys or men in your family get abused, because you clearly won't be of any help to them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 07:05 AM |
| 4 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.I agree that anything fake or made up shouldn't be used as fact. I'm well aware of the feminist lies that constantly dismiss, erase, invalidate, and discredit male abuse victims at the hands of women. It is close to female victims, and it is in fact overwhelmingly done by women, not other men. There's no way half the domestic abuse victims can be men, and they'd all be abused by other men, when gay men make up 10% of all men. It's both incredibly homophobic to blame gay men for domestic abuse, a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/26 11:23 PM |
| 4 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.I'Ve been using real facts all along. Just because you don't like them, doesn't mean they stop being real. The original post was based on this source https://www.researchgate.net/publication/388675702_Rates_of_Male_and_Female_Physical_Victimization_and_Perpetration_in_Intimate_Relationships_A_Comprehensive_Review "Rates of Male and Female Physical Victimization and Perpetration in Intimate Relationships: A Comprehensive Review" Which states: "Across studies, approximately one in seven women (14.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/26 11:21 PM |
| 4 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.Thanks, I'll use that to quote at feminists too, bookmarked that study! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/26 11:12 PM |
| 7 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.I guess you also think statistics Canada is lying https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/en/pub/85-002-x/2016001/article/14303-eng.pdf?st=G3YeIgkV "In 2014, slightly more men (4.2%) than women (3.5%) reported being victims of spousal violence during the preceding 5 years. This translated into about 342,000 women and 418,000 men across the provinces. " And this study must be fake news as well. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/233717660_Thirty_Years_of_Denying_the_Evidence_on_Gender_Symmetry_in_P… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/26 08:29 AM |
| 3 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.Right, anything that goes against what feminism says MUST be fake and MUST be because we hate women. It can't possibly because we actually care about male abuse victims. Have you ever heard of the terms "confirmation bias" and "persecution complex" before? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/26 08:23 AM |
| 10 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.You do realize men are half the domestic abuse victims, women are half the abusers, and 75% of unidirectional domestic abuse is female on male, right? https://np.reddit.com/r/TheTinMen/comments/1ooxfm9/an_advanced_guide_to_intimate_partner_violence/ | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/26 05:26 AM |
| 2 | I wish the feminists would at least be open about hating us rather than resorting to all of the denialism and victim blamingbut they’re just trying to make their lives better You mean like how feminists constantly and consistently deny and erase the fact that men are half the domestic abuse victims? https://thetinmen.blog/50-of-intimate-partner-violence-was-bilateral-with-both-part/ Or like how feminism constantly and consistently denies that men are near half the rape victims? https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/sexual-victimization-by-women-is-more-common-than-previously-known/ Or like how it is legally impo… | /r/MensRights | 14/07/26 06:36 AM |
| 1 | I wish the feminists would at least be open about hating us rather than resorting to all of the denialism and victim blamingIt'S less physically aggressive, but it is just as if not more socially and emotionally aggressive. Just because it's not physical, doesn't mean it's not aggressive. | /r/MensRights | 14/07/26 06:34 AM |
| 2 | How feminism maintains unfalsifiability (which is bad for any framework)In as much as there are egalitarian theories they are not feminist, and in as much as there are feminist theories they are not egalitarian. It's a bit like saying we're making a square/circle shape. The two are not compatible. The "feminist egalitarian" theories that try to break free from traditional sexism, which can benefit men and women, is still largely fine with sexism that benefits women and largely silent on sexism that harms men. If they did address both equally, they'd be egalitarian, … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/07/26 09:01 PM |
| 0 | How feminism maintains unfalsifiability (which is bad for any framework)The problem is the misandric bias, not necessarily the feminist/egalitarian theories themselves. That's a distinction without a difference. Feminism is inherently misandrist and anti egalitarian. You can't NOT have misandry when feminism sees men as the violent oppressors by default and women as the innocent oppressed victims by default. The midandric bias is baked in as a core part of feminism. That's not a bug, that's a feature. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/07/26 06:02 PM |
| 6 | Women who choose to remain single are viewed as empowered, men are notOppression always sucked, the new thing is not that oppression sucks, the new thing is that apparently only women are ever allowed to be oppressed and men aren't allowed to be oppressed or face serious issues. I'm just calling out the double standards. Have your descendants get back to mine in 4026. Then we will call it even. You do realize that an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind right? You gonna advocate to poke out a innocent baby boys eyes today because some woman's eyes were poke… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/26 03:17 AM |
| 15 | Women who choose to remain single are viewed as empowered, men are notGood question, if you blame them for past sins, you gonna give them the past credit too? Or you gonna blame them for past sins then tell them they didn't do anything to deserve past credit? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/26 06:57 PM |
| 18 | Women who choose to remain single are viewed as empowered, men are notDoes the oppression of women in the past, justify oppressing innocent men in the future who had absolutely nothing to do with the oppression of women? Are individual innocent men to be held guilty for the sins of all other men? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/26 05:46 PM |
| – | The "problem" with paying is that men here don't like the types of women willing to pay for themselves on dates.If by "save time" you mean "save time by not having dates at all" I agree. When you've only got the one potential date a month, and you're filtering out more than half of them, you're damn close to just giving up on dating completely. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/26 05:15 AM |
| 2 | What Aspects of Men's dating life do you have find yourself getting jealous of?As a man, no that is not what we are told to do. Please stop ignoring and dismissing lens loved experiences. You want men to take women at their word for women's lived experiences? Then women have to take men at their word for men's lived experiences. Rules for thee but not for me is incompatible with equality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/26 07:03 PM |
| 4 | What Aspects of Men's dating life do you have find yourself getting jealous of?He is a lucky man, because most women don't seem to love taking care of their man at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/26 07:00 PM |
| 2 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpI'm not sure what you mean here, can you elaborate? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/26 01:18 PM |
| 2 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpYep. Unfortunately so are half the feminists out there. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/26 10:04 PM |
| 4 | Why do women keep getting into situationships?Most men don't either. I simply repeat what men say about men in men’s spaces. Sure you do. If I repeated all the horrible things women say about other women in women's spaces I'm sure you'd tell me I'm misogynistic and taking it out of context. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/26 07:33 PM |
| 5 | Why do women keep getting into situationships?Right, if men say sociopathic stuff about women then women are justified in hating men. If women say sociopathic stuff about men, and they do, does this mean men are justified in hating women? When men describe women as greedy, money hungry, undeserving of commitment overly demanding, and worthless beyond sex, it’s no wonder we done want to grovel and beg. And when women say men are psychopathic violent uncaring unfeeling brutes, worthless except for what they can provide, it's no wonder men don… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/26 07:12 PM |
| 2 | Why do women keep getting into situationships?The price of commitment that women pay is to not just fuck other dudes? I disagree with that but if that's your perspective then sure. I mean there is a time commitment for sure, but the guy is committing his time as well so it's even. If I am wrong and there is more that you believe men expect from women as commitment, by all means do share, if I am wrong I would like to know it. By that logic I can say that women aren't scum if they're gold diggers and use men like ATMs. After all men's bad be… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/26 06:36 PM |
| 4 | Why do women keep getting into situationships?Funny you should say that because 7% of UK men under 30 have a negative opinion of women, while 21% of women have a negative opinion of men. It seems women truly and utterly despise men more than the other way around. You describe. Women as greedy, money hungry, undeserving of commitment, overly demanding, and worthless beyond sex. No, you interpreted my comment as meaning this and making a judgement. I am merely pointing out reality from a man's lived experience and perspective. I am not making… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/26 06:25 PM |
| 3 | Why do women keep getting into situationships?Fair, and yeah poor guys, they're going to have to break it off :/ | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/26 04:07 PM |
| 5 | Why do women keep getting into situationships?Just to know, what makes it a situationships? He wants more commitment, and she doesn't want to be in a relationship, but she sticks around enjoying the benefits? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/26 03:48 PM |
| 1 | Why do women keep getting into situationships?Largely it's because a man's idea of commitment is that they spend time together and are exclusive to one another, while women's idea of commitment is that they spend time together and are exclusive to one another, but also that he invests a ton of time and money and effort into her and into the relationship in ways that benefits her, while she doesn't have to do anything or invest anything in return if she doesn't feel like it. Women demand a high price from men in commitment, while largely men… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/26 03:44 PM |
| 8 | Why do women keep getting into situationships?Being honest? Most of women have been told that men hate commitment and that it's so uncool to want a label. Seems to me this is a thing women tell other women about men, because that's not how any guy i know would describe it. From what I've seen it's almost universally and uniquely a woman thing to want to avoid labels, most guys would love to have the girlfriend/boyfriend label, and the commitment, with someone who is worth it. Men are not afraid of commitment. Men are afraid of the price of … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/26 03:37 PM |
| 3 | If women put more effort into their apps, maybe theyd see more success too.Totally agree. The double standards is that, as a society when women complain we validate them and tell them men are horrible and need to do better, but when men complain we tell them to man up, do better, and they're not entitled to anything from women. And it is perfectly valid to be frustrated about this obvious double standard. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/26 03:04 PM |
| 2 | For the most part, the idea of "unpaid domestic labor" either doesn't exist or isn't relevantI don't see men as incapable. I just recognize that half the time, men aren't the problem, and so men canot fix what they aren't causing and aren't responsible for. Men ought to fox what men are responsible for and women ought to fix what women are responsible for, it's just nobody, and especially not feminism, wants to ever recognize or acknowledge that women cause problems and are the problem just as often as men are. Thanks for the condescension, I appreciate you showing how little women care… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 08:43 PM |
| 4 | For the most part, the idea of "unpaid domestic labor" either doesn't exist or isn't relevantFeminism believes men can be victims of the patriarchy, but since men set up and enforce the patriarchy, its basically a roundabout way to say men are hurting themselves, so it doesn't count as oppression, and men don't deserve help because they're hurting themselves. It's an elaborate form of victim blaming and erasing male victims to focus on men being perpetrators, to better fit with the feminist dichotomy of men being oppressive perpetrators and never victims, and women are always oppressed … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 08:27 PM |
| 2 | For the most part, the idea of "unpaid domestic labor" either doesn't exist or isn't relevantFair, I should have been more clear and say feminism doesn't believe that men as a group can be victims of any systematic oppression. Most people can recognize individual men can be victims, it's just feminists refuse to acknowledge when men are victims of issues because they are a man. Per being victim of the rp and mansophere, oh no, how dare men fall victims to groups that actually listen to them and validate their problems, instead of leftists and feminists who tell men they never face any s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 07:59 PM |
| 2 | For the most part, the idea of "unpaid domestic labor" either doesn't exist or isn't relevantFrom your own source The wage gap is calculated by comparing the median earnings for all women working full-time year-round compared to that of all men working full-time year-round, says Vasu Reddy, director of state policy for workplace justice at the National Women’s Law Center. This is why the wage gap is debunked. It doesn't take into account career, experience, training, or hours worked, it just adds up all the money women make and all the money men make, and then declares that since women … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 07:09 PM |
| 0 | Men are not a monolith, but women are (according to the Greater Male Variability Hypothesis). 🔵BP constantly conflates the experiences and capabilities of High value vs. Low value menSo basically you've got your blinders firmly screwed on, and you refuse to take them off, refuse to make thought experiments, and refuse to acknowledge the existence of those blinders. And you think you can have honest good faith discussions like this. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 06:56 AM |
| 4 | Men are not a monolith, but women are (according to the Greater Male Variability Hypothesis). 🔵BP constantly conflates the experiences and capabilities of High value vs. Low value menI am terribly sorry to hear. I've been through an abusive relationship that lasted 7 years, feels like I'm kinda barely out of teenage years myself despite turning 34. I hope you'll take the time to heal and make your own life better, and that you will find someone with whom you can feel comfortable and happy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 06:53 AM |
| 8 | Men are not a monolith, but women are (according to the Greater Male Variability Hypothesis). 🔵BP constantly conflates the experiences and capabilities of High value vs. Low value menI find it crazy that men here think there is no difference in the experiences of beautiful women vs. ugly women, or high value women vs. low value women. Apparently data shows that attractiveness has a huge impact on whether a man can find a partner, but lack of attractiveness doesn't really decrease a woman's ability to get a partner, just the calibre of partner she can get. Basically, getting a partner is not guaranteed for women, but it's a hell of a lot more certain than for men. So there is… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 06:52 AM |
| – | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)You know, this is so incredibly tiring, that every time there is a discussion about men's issues and how men need help, it always gets blamed back on men. For some reason it's never appropriate to victim blame women, but victim blaming men is literally the default option whenever men's issues get raised. I agree that male on male emotional connection is hugely important and we need more of it. I can agree with this and still recognize that as a society, we have failed men. I can still recognize … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 01:21 AM |
| – | “Would you love me if I was (sic) a worm?” is the single most valid concern/insecurity women have and men should be ashamed for mocking them over itNo, she's supposed to act like an adult. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/07/26 09:01 PM |
| 1 | Has your past/current female partners wanted more or less sex than you?You're welcome and have a nice day as well. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/07/26 08:56 PM |
| 1 | Has your past/current female partners wanted more or less sex than you?I am genuinely happy for you, and the world needs more relationships like yours. Unfortunately most are not, and society doesn't seem to care about making relationships more equal and better for both partners, than it cares about making relationships better for women. I agree we have to do what is best for ourselves, but we also have to be aware of wider social issues, we can't just pretend they don't exist. Find what you want and leave everyone else tf alone. That would be better if as a societ… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/07/26 08:42 PM |
| 0 | Has your past/current female partners wanted more or less sex than you?Spontaneous, romantic things are chores for everyone. Spontaneous, romantic things are chores for everyone, but somehow men end up doing that chore far far far more than women. If people want to have an actual egalitarian relationship, rather than the old kind of patriarchal relationship, then either women need to do more romantic things for men, expect less from men, or at the very least be more appreciative rather than considering men doing romantic things for her the bare minimum. You want so… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/07/26 07:38 PM |
| 0 | Has your past/current female partners wanted more or less sex than you?I mean you're not wrong. It would just be nice if women in general could also understand that making spontaneous romantic things is a chore for men, and it's a chore well do despite the fact we don't like, because we would like to have sex. Women in general seem to act as though they want sex but would never do anything they don't like or consider a chore to get sex. I'm not saying women have to do more for men necessarily, but it would be nice if women could appreciate more the things men do fo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/07/26 06:19 PM |
| – | Do women feel entitled to men's bodies?Damn bro, I love my fiancé too much to do him dirty like this to a bunch of strangers. I mean that shows you are one of the good ones, but the vast majority of people who go on the internet and disparage their significant other, are not men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/26 04:23 AM |
| – | Do women feel entitled to men's bodies?I'd much prefer if men weren't the main reason to need protection in the first place. Men are not the main reason to need protection in the first place. A tiny minority of men are. The "men protect" argument always sounds like one of those mafia goons telling someone about how their store is nice and it would be a shame if something happened to it. You know you can just say you hate men. You get no gold stars for offering protection when you're the reason why it's needed to begin with You're pai… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/26 04:22 AM |
| – | Do women feel entitled to men's bodies?And here in lies the problem, not you or I know every man or woman, so we don’t know what the majority of anyone does. Crazy how that works. Well see we can look at what is happening in society in general and broader trends. We're not limited to having information only about the people immediately around us. So that's not really a problem at all. Like I said, everyone should everyone, period. And if you don’t want to, continue being a jerk, and good people will know to stay away from those. I ag… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/26 04:19 AM |
| – | Do women feel entitled to men's bodies?I'm not saying no men help anyone, ironically enough men are told to help everyone, while women largely only help people they know and care about. So men start doing the same and only hep people they know and care about. And all of a sudden it's a problem when men do the exact same thing most women are already doing. Because the problem is the "rules for thee but not for me" mentality, where men are expected to do things to help women out, while women declare that not only do they have no obliga… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/26 04:00 AM |
| – | Do women feel entitled to men's bodies?You can only control yourself and those in your inner circle, but if you are trying to push for wider social changes (like getting everyone to help everyone else more) then you also have to understand the realities of the wider social situation you are trying to change. And the reality of the wider social situation is that largely women do not want to help men and will not help men, but demand that men help women. And that kind of one-sided equality exclusively to women's benefit is everywhere i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/26 03:45 AM |
| – | Do women feel entitled to men's bodies?I mean they are, but good luck getting the 75% of women who are wrong, to change their mind. The gender gap in empathy is real. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/how-do-life/202004/the-gender-gap-in-empathy | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/26 03:39 AM |
| – | Do women feel entitled to men's bodies?I mean I agree with you that everyone should help. Most women have made it clear they don't care about men and don't want to help men though. So everyone should help, but the axis of who will actually end up being expected to help is largely going to be not women. And any effort to try and change that is going to be strenuously opposed by feminists. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/26 03:38 AM |
| 2 | Men are told to open up more. The only thing they open up about is women not fucking them. And then wonder why it's backfiring 🤦♂️Happy to hear you are happily married! And struggling but still trying is absolutely better than not trying, struggling is a sign there is a will to improve :) May you and your husband live long and prosper :) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/26 01:35 AM |
| 3 | Men are told to open up more. The only thing they open up about is women not fucking them. And then wonder why it's backfiring 🤦♂️You can't know that most men are failures, because you aren't even looking at most men, you are exclusively looking at the men who failed and ignoring the men who succeeded. It would be like if I went and looked exclusively at hookers, and then concluded that all women are whores. The narrative just allows very OPEN emotional behaviour to be excused, ignored or accepted when coming from a man. And you have no idea how much more restricted the narrative is for men, compared to the wide variety of… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/26 12:00 AM |
| 3 | Men are told to open up more. The only thing they open up about is women not fucking them. And then wonder why it's backfiring 🤦♂️Totally fair on the screaming at you, threatening you, banging or throwing things, those are all completely unacceptable. It's childish temper tantrum behaviour and unacceptable. I am sorry to hear you had to deal with that with your ex, nobody deserves to be afraid from their partner in a healthy relationship. I am happy you found a better guy and it sounds like he is lucky to have you as well. Unfortunately it seems somewhere around more than 50% of women have a very hard time tolerating their… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 11:47 PM |
| 1 | Men are told to open up more. The only thing they open up about is women not fucking them. And then wonder why it's backfiring 🤦♂️Ah then yeah that guy in particular is behaving like an emotionally mature kid. Sorry you had to go through that, but that's just the one guy, it has little to no relevance about men in general. Feel free to say how that guy was a jerk, but again, it has nothing to do with the other 99.99% of men. When I told him “you need to get over it or stop coming over” I was the bad guy Yeah that's a common reaction from people who have poor emotional control, they blame everyone else as bad because others… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 09:49 PM |
| 4 | Men are told to open up more. The only thing they open up about is women not fucking them. And then wonder why it's backfiring 🤦♂️And I'm saying if men suffer in silence, how will you know they're suffering? You won't, because they're suffering in silence. What you're describing is quite literally the opposite of survivorship bias. You are looking at the failures, because of course the men who are successfully stoic, are being silent, and thus you do not see their suffering. Your entire point is literally built on a sampling bias. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 09:43 PM |
| 1 | Men are told to open up more. The only thing they open up about is women not fucking them. And then wonder why it's backfiring 🤦♂️Feel free to explain how, your reply is so unrelated to what I said I'm half convinced you replied to the wrong comment by accident. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 09:24 PM |
| 2 | Men are told to open up more. The only thing they open up about is women not fucking them. And then wonder why it's backfiring 🤦♂️I mean that's totally fair, but how do you define what kind of anger men can express that doesn't scare you? Because there are women who will find ANY kind of anger whatsoever from a man scary. If you can truly handle however men open up without demands and they can be themselves completely, then congratulations you are a rare breed of woman. Whoever you are with will be lucky to be with you. Unfortunately, 75%+ of women are not like you and cannot or will not tolerate men opening up in any way … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 09:23 PM |
| 4 | Men are told to open up more. The only thing they open up about is women not fucking them. And then wonder why it's backfiring 🤦♂️Well see the problem is if he opens up he likely won't get help, and he would be pushing that shit down and holding frame, except now he can't because he's at his limit. You're telling him basically to man up or open up, except odds are everyone he's opened up to has used that to hurt him back in some way. And if you behaved the same you'd expect him to have compassion and understanding for you, but you don't seem to have much for him, which points to why it would be a bad idea for him to open u… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 09:18 PM |
| 2 | Men are told to open up more. The only thing they open up about is women not fucking them. And then wonder why it's backfiring 🤦♂️I don’t and have never observed men to be stoic and actually bottling shit up. T Well of course you haven't. Because if men are stoic and actually bottle shit up, you won't see it. It's like saying "I've never seen any invisible ghosts". Well of course, if I had seen those ghosts, they wouldn't be invisible at all now would they? They walk around like a dark cloud and expect people to tolerate it. Then when they have tantrums it’s a crisis and everyone else’s problem. I mean you're not wrong but… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 09:14 PM |
| 1 | Men are told to open up more. The only thing they open up about is women not fucking them. And then wonder why it's backfiring 🤦♂️You know you are right, it is not all women. Unfortunately you are the exception that confirms the rule. It's only 75%+ of women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 09:05 PM |
| 4 | Men are told to open up more. The only thing they open up about is women not fucking them. And then wonder why it's backfiring 🤦♂️Right, so you want him to open up to you, but only in a way that you feel comfortable about and never makes you feel u comfortable. So you want him to put up an emotional performance for your benefit. You don't want him to open up A man expressing anger sometimes makes me feel afraid and unsafe, that's the difference. Congrats, life makes us feel afraid and unsafe, and it's your responsibility to deal with your own feelings, not demand everyone else accommodates your feelings because you can't h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 09:00 PM |
| 2 | There are some fundamental social differences between men and women which cause relationship building friction.You've just been socialized that it is unsafe (by each other) Nope. Men are not socialized that sharing feelings is unsafe. Men are actively punished for showing feelings from a young age, often from their own mother, and then from other women in their lives. https://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/article/boys-dont-cry-study-suggests-mothers-not-fathers-show-gender-bias-towards-sons/ Brenée brown, leading expert on vulnerability, also has a bit on that. https://www.ted.com/talks/brene_brown_listening_t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/26 08:18 AM |
| 2 | There are some fundamental social differences between men and women which cause relationship building friction.Men are not taught that feelings are bad. Men are punished for showing feelings from a young age, often from their own mother, and then from other women in their lives. https://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/article/boys-dont-cry-study-suggests-mothers-not-fathers-show-gender-bias-towards-sons/ Brenée brown, leading expert on vulnerability, also has a bit on that. https://www.ted.com/talks/brene_brown_listening_to_shame?nolanguage=en For men, shame is not a bunch of competing, conflicting expectations.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/26 08:12 AM |
| 7 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenDo you know of any egalitarian social theories? Secular humanism. Feminism was established in an attempt to push against an already existing power imbalance, an imbalance which still persists today. Well yes because it just flat-out assumes that there is always and always will be a power imbalance against women, which is why it constantly and relentlessly pushes for always more for women. Equality means you have to go up to the half-way line to where things are equal, and then you stop. If you j… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/26 06:58 AM |
| 13 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenAlmost. They define manhood as opposition to femininity, but they didn't bother to ask men how men defined masculinity, women defined masculinity for men, and defined femininity with the most bad faith interpretation of how they thought men saw femininity. So they have a gross caricature of both masculinity and femininity, claim that this is how men see things and this is the justification men have used to build society and oppress women. Whenever men disagree with the gross caricature feminism … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/26 12:14 AM |
| 12 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenThere's plenty of feminist history where black feminists have been consistently left in the lurch once the majority of an organization's demands have been met. Very true, and I find it funny that they blame "white feminism" for the black feminists being left hanging, and then blame it on whiteness and white men, when it was white WOMEN who failed black feminists. But it's funny that if you ever call it white WOMEN feminism, to point out how it's the mostly white female feminism who used to be ra… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/26 11:47 PM |
| 10 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenWhy yes, intersectionality means we have to consider every possible axis of oppression in all circumstances, while keeping in mind that whiteness, maleness, being cis, and heterosexuality, is always a privilege no matter what, and being female is always a huge axis of oppression no matter what. The anti-oppressive context is that cis het white men and everything they built is the main axis of oppression, and that women are the main victims in just about every circumstance. So it's basically more… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/26 10:54 PM |
| 11 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenThe problem is that feminism treats equality like a one way street exclusively to the benefit of women. Feminism is literally rebranded Marxism, except it replaces the oppression of the proletariat by the bourgeoisie and seizing the means of production, with the oppression of women by men and seizing the means of reproduction. Feminism treats gender like a class, which is completely inappropriate, and the entire ideology is based on the unscientific and unfounded principle that the patriarchy is… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/26 09:54 PM |
| 14 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenI believe women identifying as feminists deserve benefit of doubt and presumption of being egalitarian not cakist or misandrist. If 95% of feminists are cakists or misandrist or both, why does the 5% deserve the benefit of the doubt? If they're a tiny minority (and they are) wouldn't it be on them to show that they are different from the overwhelming majority of people who also use the feminist label? Community that she leads always shunned misandry. In particular she debunked vulgar understandi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/26 09:50 PM |
| 2 | Women Love Objectification, When It Benefits ThemMen would hate objectification too if it usually came with harassment, poor treatment, and being turned into a pariah while not being able to do anything about it. I mean that's kinda the male lived experience in dating anyways. Just ask Norah Vincent. But since men don't receive those consequences, they don't understand that other people do receive those consequences. And similarly, there are a ton of issues problems and consequences that men face that women don't, and so women don't understand… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/26 09:40 PM |
| 7 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpMy request has been very valid. This is a preventative procedure. So I want to see the stats on prevention. This is a preventative procedure being claimed to cause damage. I want to see the stats on damage. I do not currently accept the anecdotal remarks of a single man who is already mentally unwell and also DID NOT KILL HIMSELF OR HE COULD NOT HAVE GIVEN THE REMARK as strong evidence a preventative program meant to prevent the murder of women and children should be done away with. Let's try it… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/26 02:14 AM |
| 8 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpWell of course you don't see harm, the harm done to men gets constantly erased and dismissed. 35%+ of the victims of "violence against women" in the UK are men. Male rape victims in the US get completely erased from rape statistics because it gets called "made to penetrate" instead. Feminist domestic abuse "experts" constantly and consistently underplay and dismiss male domestic abuse victims. The Commission on Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women in Canada found that indigenous women were sign… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/26 01:32 AM |
| 4 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpOh for sure. Absolutely no accountability for women and everything bad must always be men's fault, because men are the oppressors while women are oppressed, and men set up the patriarchy to benefit men at women's expense, don'tcha know. Gotta love the double standards. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 10:42 PM |
| 4 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpCompletely agree. As they say, actions speak louder than words. I like to tell feminists that if I call myself a pacifist, but I punch everyone in the face who disagrees with me, would they agree with my words or my actions? So when they say feminism claims to be about equality, and you see feminism's actions constantly and consistently erasing male victims, do they believe feminism's words or feminism's actions? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 10:41 PM |
| 3 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpGreat, so now we're treating suicidal men like they are loaded weapons. Totally not dehumanizing and problematic at all to label victims (and only male victims) as loaded weapons. Per Desi freeman, I don't see how a conspiracy nut on the run compares to suicidal men. Are you really so devoid of empathy for anyone born with a penis that you are willing to paint all suicidal men in the worst light possible? And they say women are the more empathetic sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 08:49 PM |
| 9 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpEverything feminists say and do comes from the basic ideological commitment to the idea that men are the violent oppressors and women are the innocent victims. It's basically Marxism rebranded, replacing the oppression of the proletariat by the bourgeoisie and seizing the means of production, with the oppression of women by men and seizing the means of reproduction. Anything that doesn't confirm to that faith-based ideological position must be dismissed, ignored, invalidated, erased, or discredi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 08:03 PM |
| 5 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpSo if the policy informed by serial killers is that most serial killers are men, does they mean we ought to treat ALL men as possible serial killers? Or should we recognize that even though most serial killers are men, the overwhelming majority of men are NOT serial killers, and treating all men like serial killers would do far more harm than good? If violent, family killing men are less offensive to you than men being screened for signs of this, then you really need to touch grass. And if treat… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 06:09 PM |
| 3 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpHaha thanks. I also love how it short circuits some people who think that feminism must be egalitarian, so how can I be anti feminist but also egalitarian. Definitely agree with you we need more egalitarianism and less feminism. Feminism treats equality like a one way street exclusively to women's benefit, and that's not equality at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 06:01 PM |
| 7 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpThose feminists say they are egalitarian, but how many of them are aware that men make up half the domestic abuse victims, that male rape victims get systematically erased from rape data due to the CDC calling it "made to penetrate", that fathers do not have the same right to see their own children as mothers do in 44 out of 50 states, and that men have no reproductive rights whatsoever, so that a man who is raped by a woman can get sued by his rapist for child support if she impregnated herself… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 05:49 PM |
| 3 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpFunnily enough it was feminists whom I heard this from first, and red pillers saying that if men are willing to lie to women about how he's into astrology, reishi, new age Woo, and other nonsense to get into her pants, of course some men would lie about feminism to get into women's pants. And then the feminists doubled down on how all men must be suspected of supporting feminism just to get sex and that no man could possibly support feminism because they care about women. The red pill pointed ou… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 05:31 PM |
| 14 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpWhat about the fact that domestic abuse is gender neutral, since half the domestic abuse is bidirectional and 75% of unidirectional domestic abuse is female on male? https://np.reddit.com/r/TheTinMen/comments/1ooxfm9/an_advanced_guide_to_intimate_partner_violence/ | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 05:27 PM |
| 4 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpThe thing is, "radical feminists" is by definition any feminist who believes in the patriarchy. Therefore, the overwhelming majority of feminists, are radical feminists by definition. When you refuse to concede an inch in any argument, you undermine your credibility. That's what we see in radical feminists: a pathological inability to consider any aspect of life where they might not be oppressed victims. I mean you're not wrong but it's a core tenet of feminism that women are always and forever … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 05:09 PM |
| 2 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpThanks for the link, I'd been looking for a concise article debunking the bullshit UK violence against women nonsense. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 03:58 PM |
| 7 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpYou apparently don't seem to care about how many suicidal men have been harmed by this policy. Given its 125 to 1, it's a LOT of suicidal men you're willing to throw under the bus to MAYBE prevent one incident. And they say women are the more empathetic sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 03:54 PM |
| 5 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpAnd yet it is perfectly in line with the feminist belief that men intrinsically hate women and/or want to oppress women and that men can only be redeemed or reformed if they support feminism, but even then feminist men must still constantly be kept under scrutiny to make sure they don't back slide into their brutish male ways, or make sure the feminist men aren't just faking it to have sex with women. I didn't write the book on how feminism considers men to be forever tainted by the sin of being… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 03:53 PM |
| 9 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpThe correlation of men who ideate about suicide, and men who perpetrate family violence, is a known connection. Not all suicidal men, mind you, but there's a connection. By that same standard, there's a correlation between violence and having a penis. Should we pre emptively put every man in jail ahead of time to prevent crimes? Or can we recognize these a gross violation of I tellectual honesty here because we don't give a damn how many innocent men are harmed and the only thing that matters is… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 03:50 PM |
| 6 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpI make sure to quote Mary Koss' atrocious statements whenever I can, with a handy link to the wiki page on her career. I also link how the Duluth model is pseudo scientific garbage cooked up by feminists based on feminists principle AS QUOTED BY THE FOUNDER OF THE PROGRAM, also on the wiki page for the Duluth model, and that nobody had ever apologized or taken accountability for the incredible harm Koss and the Duluth model have caused and continues to harm. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 03:43 PM |
| 5 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpResearch estimates that approximately 60% to 80% of family annihilators are suicidal men who intend to die, or do die, by suicide following the murders. And research indicates the majority of serial killers are men, that doesn't mean all men should be treated as serial killers by default. Most familily annihilators might be suicidal men, but if family annihilators are less than 5% of al suicidal men then why would we treat the other 95% of suicidal men like family annihilators? It makes no sense… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 03:39 PM |
| 6 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpOP: Australian feminist legislation unfairly portrays suicidal men as perpetrators using dodgy data to push the feminist narrative that erases make victims and wants to only ever paint men as perpetrators. You: The cop asked if anyone was at risk, which is a huge step up from the usual doing nothing and wringing hands after a family annihilator does his annihilating. It honestly never ceases to amaze me how often I see women proving the very point they are arguing against, with their own attempt… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 03:34 PM |
| 19 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpBad science and disregarding domestic abuse commited by women isn't good for anyone. I mean you are completely right, but bad science and disregarding domestic abuse committed by women has been the feminist modus operandi for the past 50+ years. It is the same with the Duluth model, it is the same with abused UK men being victims of "violence against women", it was the same with Erin Pizzey being driven out of England by feminists for daring to open up a shelter for male victims despite she was … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 03:28 PM |
| 7 | How do you explain the "Dark Romance" Boom?But at the end of the day though is he still treated like human? No, he's treated like a plot device for her benefit. You didn’t even deny that women aren’t treated as human in the story or a valid character, you just “but women’s stories also…” Well yeah, I'm not denying it, because there are a lot of wish fulfilment fantasies men write that are genuinely awful. I don't deny that. You seem to deny that women do the exact same thing though, and that's the difference. It's the literal epitome of … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 02:24 AM |
| 4 | How do you explain the "Dark Romance" Boom?Yeah no, women imagine that's just "men treating them well", when it's actually objectifying him to turn him into a validation machine. Women judge that men wanting women to serve them is seen as wrong and immoral and sexist and misogynistic. But many men fantasize of serving women as well, and somehow that's seen as moral and fair and right. You can't just look at the best from women and ignore the worst, and look at the worst from men and ignore the best, and pretend like that's an accurate re… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 02:23 AM |
| – | Women detest men who “just want to have sex” yet live exactly like that from age 18 to 32 or so.Clown world isn't it. In many ways it's just pandering to women's feelings and fear mongering, while ignoring actual statistics showing women are often safer than they fear, and that men are significantly LESS safe than what women believe. But of course anything that goes against what women want to believe must be wrong and misogynistic, and everything must be men's fault. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 02:18 AM |
| 3 | Real issues get dismissed as hate because people are biasedI know feminism assumes that men cannot be victims simply because men are born with a penis. Do you think that a man who gets raped and abused by a woman, is not a victim, because he is born with a penis? According to feminist Mary Koss, he was not raped, he was "made to penetrate". According to the UK, the man was a victim of "violence against women". So do you think this man who was raped and abused by a woman, is not a victim, just because he was born with a penis? Or do you have more ethical… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 02:11 AM |
| – | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenIs that really the only thing you got from my comment? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 02:06 AM |
| 8 | How do you explain the "Dark Romance" Boom?Here’s the difference, in even dark romance, male lead characters are humanized, not objectified Disagree. Men are objectified as success objects, and many of those male lead characters have very little beyond what's needed to serve as a means to an end for the female character. Just because men are objectified differently from women, does not mean men are not objectified. They have their own backstory. There is reasoning. Well yes, but more often than not it's either a tragic backstory for her … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/26 06:45 PM |
| 1 | Real issues get dismissed as hate because people are biasedMaybe if feminism stopped demonizing men and started considering men like actual human beings deserving of empathy and sympathy it would have better luck getting men in board. I'm not the one turning helping people into a zero sum game, feminism is. There are feminist abuse shelters who said that if the state spent money on shelters for male victims, that would be less money for women, and that's bad. The Spanish minister for equality said spending money on a male rape crisis centre would be a f… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/26 04:43 PM |
| 2 | Most women have someone.That's kind of the funny thing, feminism doesn't really try and define what power men have, because every attempt to define power would very quickly show that all the power "men" have usually boils down to either rich and powerful men having all the power while the vast majority of men who are no rich have none, or it boils down to "power" in a relational setting where they completely and deliberately ignore any and all soft power the women have. So either way it's just a by fiat baseless assert… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/26 04:39 PM |
| 0 | Real issues get dismissed as hate because people are biasedI mean I also agree there are many double standards that affect women negatively. The difference is there is a multi billion dollar international political organization called feminism already calling those out. I agree with them in the cases they point out double standards that negatively affect women, there's already a legion of people doing that work. In contrast it seems nobody cares when double standards negatively affects men, and ironically enough least of all feminism. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/26 04:33 PM |
| 2 | Are you sure size doesn't matter?It is for equality by ending the subjugation of the oppressed class (women). Are women really oppressed though? Or are we just defining it by fiat, looking for proof, and ignoring any and all proof that men could be oppressed? Men are already advantaged and from an equality perspective they don't need even more unearned help. Is this true or is this assumed? I'd think the fact men are 75% of the homeless, 80% of the suicide victims, 95% of workplace fatalities, that boys are being failed by the … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/26 04:30 PM |
| 0 | Real issues get dismissed as hate because people are biasedActually, you saying it's not fine when anyone does it acrually answers my question pretty well. I agree it's not fine when anyone does it. Hopefully we can eventually g et society to stop being fine when feminism does it too. You perceive your problems to be worse because they're yours. That doesn't invalidate the problems others experience. I mean generally I agree, but when men talk about their problems they're told they're exaggerating and their problems can be that bad, but any man saying t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/26 04:20 PM |
| 7 | How do you explain the "Dark Romance" Boom?I mean I agree with you that the logic is flawed. But for some reason when there are romance fantasy books for men, that's a sign that men are patriarchal and misogynistic. But women's romance novels with 50 shades is complete fantasy and is in no way shape or form an indication of what women are actually like. There's an odd double standard there. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/26 04:10 PM |
| 5 | Women detest men who “just want to have sex” yet live exactly like that from age 18 to 32 or so.Completely agree and I wish more people saw it that way. I didn't read your flair, I thought you were a woman, and was really surprised to see you agreeing with me there haha. Let's all agree to fight and call put stupid generalizations! Just a shame that feminism is kinda heavily pushing for more stupid generalization of men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/26 04:00 PM |
| 0 | Real issues get dismissed as hate because people are biasedThe second you even hint that your problems are "worse" than any other group, you're forcing people to reckon with your ego, not the topic at hand. But when women and feminists do it, that's fine? You could have very easily discussed the issues men face without bringing women into the conversation at all. But when women and feminists do it, it's fine? The comparison is where you ruined your own argument. Why? Comparing lived experiences is how we discover if something is not equal. Have we not b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/26 03:46 PM |
| 8 | Women detest men who “just want to have sex” yet live exactly like that from age 18 to 32 or so.I mean we're still generalizing all men, so it seems to be fair. The vast majority of men aren't rapists or abusers, and yet most men still get treated like they potentially might be rapists or abusers until or unless proven otherwise. Bit of an odd double standard isn't it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/26 03:40 PM |
| 3 | Most women have someone.Everyone has power over their own choices and actions. Pretending otherwise is actively disempowering oneself. I agree with you that there's significantly less power to chance society as a whole, but for some reason we refuse to acknowledge that in society most men have just as little power as most women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/26 03:16 PM |
| 2 | Are you sure size doesn't matter?I expect feminism to be about helping men because feminism claims to be about equality and claims to help men. I'm just holding feminism accountable to its own word. If feminism wants to ditch equality and say they're a female supremacist movement I'd be totally fine with that, but they can't treat equality like a one-way street exclusively to the benefit of women, and then turn around and say they're for equality. Women already help men plenty and bend over backwards making sacrifices for men. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/26 03:15 PM |
| 4 | Most women have someone.Men lament this phenomenon of women constantly getting attention and dates and having their lifestyles funded, even if they are awful people. Which tbh is overblowing it a little. But I’ll concede that there are a lot more desperate men than desperate women. Honestly, just being able to recognize this and assess the situation fairly is better than most people can do, so kudos to you for that. I generally agree. Blaming women for men giving them attention and dating them no matter what is silly a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/26 04:57 AM |
| 1 | Most women have someone.I mean there's nothing wrong about casually talking to a potential romantic interest, just gotta remember that that potential romantic interest is a human being with feelings too. So long as we remember that and don't treat other people as a means to an end (they're a "potential romantic interest" more than a person worthy of respect and dignity) then it's all good. And this applies to men and women! Whatever "power" women have over men has been willingly given so it's actually infantalizing men… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/26 02:01 AM |
| 2 | Most women have someone.Should we not blame the women for their own shitty behaviour? It sounds kinda victim-blamey to say "it's your own fault for being a doormat, the women did nothing wrong, we're only holding men accountable because men choose to endure the shitty behaviour". With great power comes great responsibility. Should we not hold women equally accountable for how they choose to use their power, the exact same way we should hold men accountable for how men choose to use their power? Or should we infantilize… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/26 01:19 AM |
| 7 | Most women have someone.Blame men for putting up with shitty behavior in the name of not being alone Should we not blame the women for their own shitty behaviour? It sounds kinda victim-blamey to say "it's your own fault you tolerate shitty behaviour, they did nothing wrong, we're only holding you accountable because you chose to endure the shitty behaviour". With great power comes great responsibility. Should we not hold women equally accountable for how they choose to use their power, the exact same way we should hol… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/26 01:18 AM |
| 4 | The idea that men shouldn’t approach women is dying out in the mainstreamGosh “Women” doing a lot of the heavy lifting there when I assume you are referring to women on Reddit? Unless you truly mean all women which is a bold claim. I mean it's not just the women on reddit who complain about being constantly approached by men, I think it's fair to say that's a general claim that comes from women in general, yes. I am not asking why men aren’t approaching because I truly don’t care. Ok cool then this doesn't really apply to you. You act as if women don’t equally experi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/26 01:13 AM |
| 3 | Most women have someone.To act responsibly with their power and privilege, in the exact same way we tell men to use their power and privilege responsibly. I was replying to the other guy who was blaming men for women's power and privilege. Regardless of how someone got power or privilege, it is still their responsibility to use it well. Deflecting all responsibility and laying it all solely at men's feet is infantilizing women and pretending like women can never be held accountable or responsible for their actions and … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/26 01:03 AM |
| 2 | Are you sure size doesn't matter?I mean men and women do help each other for sure, we just need more of it. It's also a shame that feminism basically constantly demands men help women more, while refusing to help men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/26 12:44 AM |
| 2 | Most women have someone.I mean if women claim that men are better and stronger and that women say women shouldn't have had the right to vote, does that make it ok because the behaviour comes from women? And if a stranger gives me 100$ and I choose to blow that money on drugs, is it the fault of the stranger who gave me that money? We can hold women accountable for not using responsibly the power and privilege they are given. We do the same for men. Welcome to equality. Men are responsible for their behaviour and women … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/26 12:24 AM |
| 6 | "I hate men!" (...but not that man)And the moment men try and say anything about how women speak, it's tone policing and it's misogynistic and controlling. But women are apparently entitled to control what men say and think at all times. Gotta love the double standards. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/06/26 07:21 PM |
| 3 | "I hate men!" (...but not that man)But somehow men have to constantly be on guard and constantly be ready to counteract locker room talk and it's men's collective fault that this problem wasn't solved yesterday. Gotta love how they treat equality like a one-way street exclusively to the benefit of women. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/06/26 07:20 PM |
| 5 | Most women have someone.In this case I was replying to the guy blaming men rather than holding women accountable to their privilege. Surely if we hold men accountable to be aware of and combat their privilege, we should hold women to that exact same standard no? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/26 06:51 PM |
| 7 | The idea that men shouldn’t approach women is dying out in the mainstreamIt is a shitty situation, but that's the reality men have to face, specifically due to women complaining, and most women completely and adamandlty refuse to recognize the consequences that men have to face. It's like women complained about men approaching, so a literal mine field was built to keep men away from women at women's requests, and then when men stop approaching, women ask men why, but women also completely refuse to acknowledge the literal minefield built at the behest of women that m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/26 06:46 PM |
| 3 | The idea that men shouldn’t approach women is dying out in the mainstreamIt is, but that's the reality men have to face, specifically due to women complaining, and most women completely and adamandlty refuse to recognize the consequences that men have to face. It's like women complained about men approaching, so a literal mine field was built to keep men away from women at women's requests, and then when men stop approaching, women ask men why, but women also completely refuse to acknowledge the literal minefield built at the behest of women that men now have to walk… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/26 06:43 PM |
| 21 | Most women have someone.Right, the important thing to remember is to always blame men and never blame women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/26 06:35 PM |
| 2 | Are you sure size doesn't matter?You’re getting pissy that I’m pointing out that men are the same as women. Except men are not the same in women in pretending that it is virtue signalling. Women are significantly more picky than men for appearance. That is a fact and that is fine, it is not virtue signalling. Women themselves say they find few men attractive, while men say they find most women attractive to some degree. It's not virtue signalling, it is a fact that this is a difference between men and women. Men and women both … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/26 02:24 AM |
| 1 | Are you sure size doesn't matter?Yeah that's a failing on men's side for sure, we still believe a bunch of myths with regards to size and the pleasure of sex. There's a ton of confusion still, which you'd think that having the internet should have helped clarify that, but apparently not haha. We do need to come together to help one another rather than going at each other's throats, but unfortunately with the whole gender war thing going on, I fear it's going to be a long time before that happens, unfortunately. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/26 01:01 AM |
| 1 | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)Not sure it's sacrasm and more facetiousness, but yeah. Tone is difficult to read with just text online. Either way, have a good one. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/26 02:12 AM |
| 3 | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)I'm genuinely happy for you. Love feels so rare and hard to find these days, by all means treasure the love you have and be happy together for the rest of your days. The world needs more love. However, that still means nothing compared to broader trends because exceptions do not invalidate the rule, and the plural of anecdote is not data. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/26 02:08 AM |
| 2 | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)Well yes, but when Lenovo asked what's the point of having a discussion about the increasing number of people not being able to form romantic couples, we both know it's not women who mostly have trouble forming romantic couples. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/26 01:59 AM |
| 1 | Are you sure size doesn't matter?Oh no I have read your comments, but when a dishonest person can't see their own dishonesty it's because they either believe their own lies or are so deluded they can't recognize they are lies. Concluding that I have a “hatred of men” and see men as “sub human” based off me stating facts and giving published & peer reviewed evidence is wild. So if I said that it is factually true that women are weaker, stupider, and more emotional than men, as well as being significantly better with kids than me… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/26 01:48 AM |
| 2 | Are you sure size doesn't matter?Look I could argue with you but you're just going to refuse to believe everything I say and you're going to tell me, a man, what you think men think, based on what your thoughts are as a woman. Every single argument you've made basically boils down to "no u", "men are actually terrible" and "women would never do any of those horrible things men do". I've seen the song and dance and I know there's literally nothing I can say that will convince you otherwise. So I'll stop wasting both our time and… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/26 01:39 AM |
| 1 | Are you sure size doesn't matter?And there are women who have murdered men and falsely accused men, so it can happen, but I'm sure you'd agree it is extremely dishonest to say "men are at risk of murdered or falsely accused of rape whenever they're near women". The fsct you can't even see the obvious dishonesty in what you say shows me you have truly internalized your hatred of men and see men as truly sub human. By your logic, any conclusions drawn by psychologists throughout history can only be applied to that specific situat… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 09:38 PM |
| 1 | Are you sure size doesn't matter?You said making men feel I secure about their appearance is life threatening to women. Meaning men will kill women if women make them feel insecure. That's psychopathic behaviour. You are treating men like they are psychopaths that must be appeased or else they will murder women. That might not be what you MEANT to say, but that is the consequence of what you ACTUALLY said. Next time try and be a bit more careful with your words. Men lie more than women. Denying that is just denying reality. Men… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 08:42 PM |
| – | What is the actual evidence that the gender difference in violence/aggression is social and not biological?Remember that half of all domestic violence is reciprocal, and that 75% of unidirectional domestic abuse is female on male. https://np.reddit.com/r/TheTinMen/comments/1ooxfm9/an_advanced_guide_to_intimate_partner_violence/ Men punching walls is actually refraining from being violent, much better than punching a person. Per men punching each other and road rage, women also have cat fights where they slap and tear at each other. Ignoring how women are violent and pretending like women don't cause … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 08:08 PM |
| 4 | Are you sure size doesn't matter?Right let's call men insecure and violent, and paint women like they're saints for dealing with the violent psychopathic brutes that men are. Totally accurate representation of reality that isn't hypocritical or self serving at all. Also, men definitely act like assholes and lie more than women 😂😂 To you, yes, because you are a woman. That's your lived experience. Pull a Norah Vincent and try to pass as a man for a month and you'll see the complete opposite. Welcome to equality, women are just a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 07:59 PM |
| 1 | Are you sure size doesn't matter?It is pretty funny you say this in a sub where there are men frequently virtue signaling that they fine 90+% of all women attractive. No, you interpret it as virtue signaling. The majority of men find the majority of women attractive to some degree. That's a simple fact. The majority of women find something like 80% of men to be below average in looks. It's not completely accurate, but women are SIGNIFICANTLY less attracted to men than the other way around. Pointing out this fact is not virtue s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 07:57 PM |
| 4 | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)For some reason I see a ton more women reading something, having an emotions reaction to what they read, and then responding on the basis of their emotional reaction rather than reacting based on the words that were actually written. Men do this too, but it seems to be overwhelming mankoett of people who react this way are women. It would make communication so much easier if one responded to what was actually said, rather than responding to how one feels about what was being said. And yet someho… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 07:53 PM |
| 0 | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)Men dodge accountability for what exactly, being victims of suicide because society constantly ignores, dismisses, and belittles men? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 07:51 PM |
| 2 | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)Ah I think I see the misunderstanding. Women can simultaneously want men to approach less, AND still want the man to take all the first steps. I agree that women tell men to stop approaching and stay away, but when the men those women want stop approaching them, those women get confused and upset that they don't get approached anymore, because the vast majority of women don't approach men. We're kinda talking past each other here and confusing two similar but distinct things. Women want to be ap… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 05:27 PM |
| 3 | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)The fact that some women repeat lies, makes women seem like unreliable narrators at best and actively dishonest at worst. The fact you double down on actively dishonest discourse with emotional manipulation to get people to agree with you instead of actually engaging with the argument, and that you repeat the problematic behaviour you got called out on, means you are actively making women seem even less reliable and more dishonest in the eyes of men. I don’t hate men. I specifically said that wo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 05:17 PM |
| 3 | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)It's not the overwhelming majority of women. It is. Sending signals that she wants him to approach, is not her taking the first step, it's her signaling she wants him to take the first step. And also, just don't. Stop making the first steps. The overwhelming majority of men who do this will never be approached in their life and will die single. So you know, that kind of sucks, given the overwhelming majority of women refuse to approach men. And finally, yes there are many women who approach the … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 04:00 PM |
| 4 | Men are blamed first before any rationality is considered because women will never choose a stance against each other if they can blame menI believe there are many feminists who are far more moral and far more egalitarian than their feminist ideology would allow, kinda like the difference between the kind Christians and the hell fire and brimstone christians. If you ask those feminist women who are kind, and drill down on the feminist beliefs, it basically boils down to things being men's fault directly, or boils down to blaming the patriarchy or internalized misogyny, which is blaming men with extra steps. Those good feminists no … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 03:57 PM |
| – | What is the actual evidence that the gender difference in violence/aggression is social and not biological?It allows them to say that hormones are no excuse and that it is therefore either the fault of men, or the fault of the patriarchy, which is just blaming men with more steps since they never hold women accountable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 03:54 PM |
| – | What is the actual evidence that the gender difference in violence/aggression is social and not biological?Fair, how about areas where there is equivalent violence from both men and women? Like in safe affluent neighborhoods and social circles? For some reason when we remove the need for violence, and have a culture that disapproves of violence, all of a sudden men stop being violent. So clearly biologically men are about as violent as women, and therefore the source of men being more violent than women can't be biology. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 03:51 PM |
| 1 | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)The other guy was being sarcastic. I'm not sure you caught that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 03:49 PM |
| 1 | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)Not wishing death on him, just pointing out the severe risks men face that women and society completely ignore, neglect, and don't give a fuck about. So thank you for proving my point by completely ignoring, neglecting, and dismissing the risks your cousin might be facing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 03:45 PM |
| 1 | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)Right, so you don't care about facts, logic, or reality, you're just trying to shame men into agreeing with you. You were never going to listen to women anyway because you hate women. And you are never going to listen to men anyway because you hate men. We keep telling you how many women basically lie, don't care about the truth, and want to manipulate people emotionally into agreeing with them, and every time we point it out, you keep doing more of the exact same problematic behaviour we are ca… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 03:44 PM |
| 0 | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)Because men are human beings inherently deserving of human decency and their issues are worth talking about at least as much as sexist air conditioning? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 03:41 PM |
| 3 | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)I mean those women exist for sure, but for some reason when men point out the overwhelming majority of women are not good women out there who are looking for companionship and able to offer it, men get told to stop complaining and lower their standards. And then women turn around and complain that the overwhelming majosrt of men are not good, aren't looking for companionship, aren't able to offer it (emotionally unavailable or whatever), women then say they refuse to lower their standards and me… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 03:35 PM |
| 5 | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)but I argue it's a minority and they're either conservative (and expect men to do all the first steps), either too shy (and in this case I'd say, learn to approach the cute guys) Well see the problem is that the overwhelming majority of women want men to make all the first steps, regardless of their political leaning, and the overwhelming majority of women refuse to approach men, regardless of their political leaning. So you're kind of completely ignoring the half of the problem that men complai… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 03:33 PM |
| 3 | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)You do realize that when men point out a general rule and women constantly and continually point to exceptions as though exceptions invalidate the rule, this kinda proves to men why they shouldn't listen to what women say? You're not doing yourselves a favour really. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 03:30 PM |
| 4 | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)men that believe in actual equality and respect will thrive. The problem is that largely society, feminism, and women treat "actual" equality and respect like a one way street exclusively to the benefit of women, and when men object to the blatant hypocrisy and double standards, those men are told they are the problem. Its a lovely combination of no true Scotsman, motte and bailey, victim blaming, and hypocritical self righteousness. Feminist men are desired. Demonstrably false. Entitled Women h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 03:28 PM |
| 3 | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)You know what they say, the plural of anecdotes is not data. I hope for your cousin that he's not going to be part of the 50% of marriages that end in divorce, because then his suicide odds will go from 4x higher than women's suicide, to 9x higher than women's. And I'm sure none of that matters because you know one example that is the exception. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 03:26 PM |
| 1 | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)Whoosh | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 03:24 PM |
| – | What is the actual evidence that the gender difference in violence/aggression is social and not biological?I'm all with you on people before pills, but if we want to look at who is more violent, we have to acknowledge that half the domestic abuse victims are men, and that 75% of unidirectional domestic abuse is female on male. That puts a pretty big hole in the "men are more aggressive" theory. https://np.reddit.com/r/TheTinMen/comments/1ooxfm9/an_advanced_guide_to_intimate_partner_violence/ | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 03:20 PM |
| – | What is the actual evidence that the gender difference in violence/aggression is social and not biological?the violence you find everywhere is biological, So, by this logic, since there are areas with 0 violence from men with the same socio-economic background, this means that since we can find areas that have 0 male violence, therefore you can't find violence everywhere, therefore the cause of violence is 0% biological and 100% cultural. And since women are just as responsible for culture as men are, that means women are just as responsible for the cultural cause of violence as men are. I don't thin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 03:14 PM |
| 5 | Men are blamed first before any rationality is considered because women will never choose a stance against each other if they can blame menKnee jerk reaction? Blame men for everything and women for nothing is basically feminism 101. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 03:11 PM |
| 17 | Are you sure size doesn't matter?Idk why some people on here are acting like it doesn’t at all. Because women seem to think that admitting to superficial preferences makes women look bad, and it is forbidden to ever admit anything that could make women look bad for some reason. This is kind of why men have a hard time trusting what women say. Not saying men are completely honest either, but it would be nice if we could all admit that being an asshole and lying are things men and women both do in equal measures, if at different … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 02:59 PM |
| 2 | The "problem" with paying is that men here don't like the types of women willing to pay for themselves on dates.I'm assuming she is debating the idea of what she believes other people believe, rather than responding to the words that are actually written. That level of mother of all strawmen tells me it's just not worth wasting my time there. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 05:29 AM |
| 2 | The "problem" with paying is that men here don't like the types of women willing to pay for themselves on dates.I have no idea how to even start addressing everything you've said, so I'll simply say have a good one, and I wish you the best. We definitely don't agree, but I still wish you good luck and happiness. Have a good one! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 02:23 AM |
| 7 | The "problem" with paying is that men here don't like the types of women willing to pay for themselves on dates.First of all, men generally don’t bitch about paying. Are you serious? You're everywhere in this sub, and you seriously think men don't bitch about paying on dates??? So getting little to know, matches has never been the problem. You are clearly on this subreddit and reading words with your eyeballs, but I'n not sure your brain is comprehending what the men are writing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 02:12 AM |
| 3 | when women say they're attracted to confidence, what do they mean?True that, and it's important to remember all this is men's fault and men just gotta step up more! /s | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/26 10:40 PM |
| 15 | The "problem" with paying is that men here don't like the types of women willing to pay for themselves on dates.Then why dont men simply write on their dating profile they wont pay for dates? What’s the problem? Because men generally don't want to completely sabotage their odds of dating at all. You do realize if men do this, they will get basically absolutely no matches at all, right? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/26 08:33 PM |
| 2 | when women say they're attracted to confidence, what do they mean?Better yet "this benefits me so just man up and deal with it." Contrasts wonderfully with the "women want men who are emotional and vulnerable" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/26 07:55 PM |
| 2 | when women say they're attracted to confidence, what do they mean?That's called the motte and bailey fallacy. Great way to make outrageous claims then pretend one wasn't doing exactly that by playing with the definition of words, in order to dodge accountability. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy Once you start paying attention to it you will see this fallacy pop up ALL THE TIME whenever the discussion turns to women's standards and preferences. It's all about saying things that sound nice and make them look good, even if that's not actual… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/26 07:52 PM |
| 2 | Just pick someone else is silly.Yall have turned a blog post into a virtual cult of misinformation about an entire gender being your enemy in dating. Y I mean it's not men saying that women are worse than literal bears. If someone treated an entire gender as being the enemy in dating, it wasn't men who started it. You derail conversations because you don't understand context, not to add context. Agree to disagree but fair enough. I do spend too much time on PPD, I need to get out of here and spend more time having a life IRL l… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/26 01:13 AM |
| – | Why is there such a massive asymmetry in how men pursue women vs. how women pursue men?Oh I agree, but it's not even about punching up against the oppressor, it's just defining men as the oppressor regardless of how false or inaccurate and using that as an excuse to punch men while telling men they're not allowed to punch back. Women are punching up, laterally, and down, and like you say, they're not only getting away with it, they're arguing they should get away with it MORE. Treating equality like a one-way street exclusively to women's benefit isn't equality at all, and sooner … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/26 12:49 AM |
| 1 | Just pick someone else is silly.I didn't say only 20% of men get access to women, I said women chase only 20% of men. That's a very big difference. Yes getting dates as a man is harder. Pretty much everyone acknowledges that, but this conversation you are commenting on never said otherwise. You say that but basically every single time it's like pulling teeth to get people to acknowledge it without immediately going that either it is completely and totally men's fault and women have nothing to do with it, or that men can't forc… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/26 12:39 AM |
| 2 | Just pick someone else is silly.Well the first solution would be to stop ignoring and denying that men face issues in dating, and to have a minimum of empathy for men as though men are human beings inherently deserving of human dignity as well. For some reason most women can't seem to hear about women's issues without immediately going "WELL YOU CAN'T FORCE ME TO DATE MEN I DON'T WANT TO/CANT FORCE ME TO HAVE SEX", so the first step would be NOT doing that. The 2nd step would be to actually start trying to understand the situa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/26 12:13 AM |
| 1 | Just pick someone else is silly.See that's actually a good question! We should actually ask that question with a good natured attempt to explore the issue instead of trying to ask the question in a bad faith attempt to paint men as though men want to force women to do things women don't. So, the first thing that should happen is that we should recognize that this is in fact an issue that men face, instead of constantly dismissing it, belittling it, or ignoring it. This requires literally no effort from women, just a tiny bit o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/26 12:05 AM |
| 2 | Just pick someone else is silly.But in this context its more like a person with a low paying job complaining about not being able to afford the house they want and people saying pick a better job then if you want a better possibility of someday owning a house like that. I agree. The difference is that a woman with a 40k job can afford to buy a house while a man with a 150k salary would struggle to buy a house, simply because the woman gets more offers due to being a woman, and then somehow we pretend like it's fair. If women l… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 10:25 PM |
| – | Why is there such a massive asymmetry in how men pursue women vs. how women pursue men?The more I read and see stuff like this the more I feel a ton of things women blame men for is projection. They believe men think similarly to women, so men must do the same things that women do, but worse. Some women talk about sexual encounters in extreme details, so men must too, but worse, because they're men. That's locker room talk. Some women judge other women very harshly for their looks and appearance, so men must too, but worse because they're men. That's imposing beauty standards. Wom… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 09:27 PM |
| – | Why is there such a massive asymmetry in how men pursue women vs. how women pursue men?That's fair, but most women's "high sex drive" for the men they love, is still lower than the average man's sex drive for the average woman, let alone the woman he loves. where as it seems men think “that random woman is attractive, how can I sleep with her"? It's less thinking that and more like an instinctive want, like a kind of semi constant hunger. When you are hungry you don't stop by a restaurant and think "I believe I am hungry, it would satisfy my hunger to eat a good meal, how can I go… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 08:58 PM |
| – | Why is there such a massive asymmetry in how men pursue women vs. how women pursue men?Because it goes completely against the feminist narrative that men and women are identical blank slates at birth and all differences are social constructs imposed on them, and also that if we blame it on testosterone as a drug then we can't blame men as evil violent oppressors, especially if they want to use the excuse that women have such hard lives to deal with because of their own hormones. So they can't give men that excuse because it means either they can't blame men for men's own hormone i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 08:53 PM |
| 0 | Just pick someone else is silly."Just pick someone else" is the dating equivalent of "if you're homeless just buy a house". It's technically not wrong, it just completely ignores all the issues and difficulties men face in dating and more often than not is used to dismiss and invalidate those issues men face in dating. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 12:25 PM |
| 5 | Just pick someone else is silly."Just pick someone else" is the dating equivalent of "if you're homeless just buy a house". It's technically not wrong, it just completely ignored all the issues and difficulties men face in dating and more often than not is used to dismiss and invalidate those issues men face in dating. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 12:24 PM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementThis makes sense, and I can understand the confusion of men when they listen to women who say they want equality but only picking and choosing the equality they want. Women need to pick a lane. Honestly I'm really surprised to hear a woman say that lol, usually the vast majority of women all close ranks with other women against men lol. Nice to see a woman who can actually recognize this problem, it is so incredibly rare, so thank you for that haha. Women have had access to higher education sinc… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 01:26 AM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementWe’ve established I think equality is a myth, so I also don’t care about double standards. Ah fair enough, sorry about that. It's really rare to meet people who think like that, I had completely forgotten, my bad. A problem men are creating for themselves by wanting to go 50/50. Well men are creating that problem because they're listening to the women who say they want equality, so really it's men causing the problem for themselves because they listen to women. It's just that men not listening t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 12:21 AM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementOf course I'm describing it differently, I'm taking into account hours worked, education, experience, degrees, training, overtime, and career title. feminists just lump all women together and all men together, and go "men paid more than women, this is discrimination!" nobody’s saying men and women should be paid the same for different jobs. Feminists are. Because by and large, women are ALREADY paid the same for the same jobs, but feminists want to pretend like that's not true and want to push f… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 12:01 AM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementIts not punishment. He learns what kind of woman he is dealing with. Right, and I'm sure it's not punishment if the woman learns the man she was dating is abusive and she didn't have a means to verify beforehand. If dating is not about mutual interest but is instead a negotiation based on value extraction, what self respecting man would participate? I mean you're not wrong but you're kinda forgetting the point that the overwhelming majority of women treat dating like a negotiation based on value… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 11:50 PM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementThese are the men that have a higher chance of success with women that prefer men to pay. Right, those men who are following the sexist social standard that is imposed on men by women, tend to have a higher change of success by following that sexist social standard that women impose on men. I completely agree with you. And for some reason when there was a sexist social standard imposed on women, it was seen as wrong and sexist and in need of being changed, no matter how successful were the women… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 10:24 PM |
| 2 | How would you feel about a "reverse orgasm gap*?Christ I am sorry you had those experiences with those men, and yeah that is 100% unacceptable. There were no signs ahead of time that they were that despicable? If your experiences were with straight cis feminists, I'm going to point back to my theory that straight people just have bad sex. I don't think that has anything to do with socio political ideology. I mean yeah but lesbian feminists are also famously man-hating, and I haven't noticed bisexual feminists being any less man-hating than th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 10:16 PM |
| 2 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.And why not both options? Some preferences are shallow and need to be re-examined while others are legitimate compatibility issues. See I agree with this. The problem is that as a society we've decided that all of women's preferences are always legitimate and valid no matter how shallow, and that men's preferences are never legitimate no matter what if it limits or negatively impacts women in any way shape or form. I agree with you, but the standards for deciding what is shallow or needs to be r… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 10:05 PM |
| 2 | If you’re wondering why guys do things “women don’t like”. It’s because some women do like it.Well see the thing is that men have an extremely hard time getting ANY matches at all. I agree that the point of a date is not to force a match, but the point of the argument is that women generally expect and demand more effort from the man than women are willing to give in. And if we care about equality and about addressing gender-based social attitudes, that's a pretty big one to address. But for some reason, every time there are any of these kinds of attitudes that pop up, whenever it affect… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 09:59 PM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementGenerally a bullshit notion used to try and paint women as victims of an unfair society, when 99% of the pay gap is entirely due to women's own choices. There was a pay gap, but then we passed laws banning companies from paying women less, and we worked hard to address hiring discrimination. The pay gap has basically been solved for decades now, but it's too useful a tool to give up completely, so feminism keeps trotting out the debunked old argument over and over again to rally the troops, beca… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 09:50 PM |
| 1 | How would you feel about a "reverse orgasm gap*?I mean there are a ton of things women see that men don't, because it happens to women and not to men. This is one of those things that happen to men. If you're a woman, it's not unreasonable to think this just isn't part of your lived experience, because you are a woman, not a man. What part of the internet are you seeing that in because we must frequent different corners. Usually feminist and pro-women spaces, which is usually most of the internet except for a few small bubbles. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 09:45 PM |
| 1 | How would you feel about a "reverse orgasm gap*?Out of the handful of straight guys I've been with only one was a decent lover willing to learn and listen. The rest were selfish and inconsiderate at best, abusive and cruel at worst. What do you mean by abusive and cruel just to know? FWIW I am terribly sorry to hear that has happened to you, it shouldn't happen to anyone. I also can't help but feel that it seems the common element among all those men is that they're men you chose to be with. I hope you dumped the bad guys immediately after se… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 09:43 PM |
| 2 | How would you feel about a "reverse orgasm gap*?Completely agree that there are so many uncompassionate people in the world. There are far too many women who believe women to be way more compassionate than women are, because there's a ton of women who don't give a shit and actively despise men. Meanwhile there are also a ton of men who are judged to not be compassionate because they're not expressing their compassion the way women want or would recognize, but they are bleeding heart compassionate anyways. I'm a true egalitarian, I believe men… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 09:40 PM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementYes, he’s punished unless he’s asking a woman that’s actually okay with 50/50 and it works for both of them. And for the woman who wants either 50/50 or that the man pays, she wins on both sides. Meanwhile, men who prefer to pay for the date, are still subribing to a sexist societal standard that puts a burden on men. And men who want 50/50 get punished whenever they match with a woman who may not feel like paying for her half on that particular day. So it's still an unequal double standard and … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 09:26 PM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementGenerally being called cheap, broke, and having the date cancelled on you. The consequence is the unfair double standards, stigma, loss of social opportunity, and increased rejection. It's funny because whenever those happen to women it is always seen as a problem that needs to be addressed, but whenever it happens to men, the exact same women who basically demand endless empathy and sympathy from men, are the first in line to say men aren't entitled to an ounce of sympathy or empathy from women… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 09:16 PM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is Entitlementmen paying for dates and pursuing women has nothing to do with feminism. Of course it does. Feminism claims to be about equality, gender norms, and gendered behaviour. Men paying for dates is a gendered behaviour that is distinctly unequal. Either feminism is actually about equality and therefore should care about equality for men, or feminism treats equality like a one way street exclusively to the benefit of women, in which case feminism isn't about equality at all. So which is it? it’s just t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 09:10 PM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementOh definitely. I'm always amazed about how men tend to try and deal with reality as it is, and to change reality, while women tend to deal with perception of reality and to change people's perception of reality and feelings about reality, rather than dealing with reality itself. Not all the time and not everyone of course, but that's definitely a big difference between the genders. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 09:06 PM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementFunny that, when men don't want to pay for dates and don't want to be endlessly emotionally supportive and don't want to do all the things for women that women feel entitled to, that's a problem. But women are free to refuse men anything and everything they want to, and women are totally justified in giving back even an once of empathy or sympathy to men, while demanding endless empathy and sympathy from men. Treating equality like a one way street exclusively to the benefit of women isn't equal… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 07:56 PM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementAnd I never said you could, but that doesn't mean women should get away with self serving hypocrisy either. Do you want women to be treated like equal adults with equal agency and equal moral responsibility? Or do you want women to be treated like hypocritical self serving children who can't help themselves and can't be held accountable? Because you can't have it both ways. So which do you want? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 07:52 PM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementYou do realize this is a prime example of self serving hypocrisy right? Apparently values and good morals matter and everyone should be nice and help others, right up until it's something where women can profit off of men's efforts and then it's totally fine and good. Treating equality like a one way street exclusively to the benefit of women isn't equality at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 03:51 PM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementI love how men should show more empathy and sympathy for women, and in return women often reply with "fuck you I got mine, I'll sink us both unless I get my way". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 03:50 PM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementDoesn't mean we can't call out the obviously self serving hypocrisy though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 03:49 PM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementFunny that when there is a cultural issue affecting women everyone needs to bend over backwards as a society to address it, but when there is a cultural issue men can unfuck themselves on their own and they're not entitled to even an ounce of empathy or sympathy from women. Odd double standard that. Treating equality like a one way street exclusively to the benefit of women isn't equality at all, now is it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 03:48 PM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementWell of course, because there is a similar cultural issue (heavily reinforced by feminism) where women overall are always the victims and men overall can never be victims. Whether it is men or women reinforcing that biased and unequal notion doesn't matter. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 03:47 PM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementBecause it's only a good match when it benefits the woman, and who gives a damn how much it disadvantages the man. Gotta love modern equality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 03:41 PM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementGenerally when one person pays for an expensive order, it's usually not the man ordering something outrageously expensive. You're not wrong at all, it's just your argument applies about 10x more to men than to women. And yet for some reason it's fine for women to ask for everyone paying for their own meal, but men face social consequences from women for saying the exact same thing. There are lots of double standards in society but for some reason society only cares about the double standards tha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 03:37 PM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementIt's not weird for women to say that. It's weird for men to say it and men face the consequences of it. Just because women don't have that issue, doesn't mean men don't either. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 03:35 PM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementSo 80% of people of both sexes shouldn't be dating then. Doesn't sound like a useful metric. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 03:34 PM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementRight, so the man is punished if he asks 50/50 before the date, and he's punished if he asks for 50/50 during or after the date. Meanwhile women can just pick whichever option she prefers at any time without any risks or consequences with plausible deniwbility, while the man has to face all the risks and consequences. Great game kf "heads she wins, tails he loses." it's treating equality like a one way street exclusively to the benefit of women, which is not equality at all. And then women wonde… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 03:33 PM |
| 3 | Does anyone care that dating is better now for women?Well yeah, and some guys swear that men getting raped by women is a good thing. Those guys are wrong. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 02:19 PM |
| 2 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Somewhere between 2 and 20%. It's not like it's all women, but to pretend it's none of the women is equally disingenuous. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 05:10 AM |
| 3 | How would you feel about a "reverse orgasm gap*?I mean it's fair that they don't expect their partners to be pro, but on the other hand as a woman yourself you wouldn't really be the target of the expectations that women put on men. Not sure what you mean that only one straight dude was like that out of more than one, only one porn brained dude? It's kind of funny too because if women describe men as porn brained, then the male equivalent would be describing women as romance-brained, that women read too much romance and have very high expecta… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 03:46 AM |
| 3 | How would you feel about a "reverse orgasm gap*?I'll add it to my list! I am happy to hear women seem receptive to feedback when approached compassionately, I can only hope they will approach men with half as much compassion as they expect to receive, because there's a significant and severe lack of compassion for men from women apparently. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 02:36 AM |
| 2 | How would you feel about a "reverse orgasm gap*?And overwhelmingly the response when men complain is that they must be bad lovers and it's their own fault and they're misogynistic for daring to complain about women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 02:35 AM |
| 3 | Does anyone care that dating is better now for women?There's a whole host of them, from the constant demonization of men, the erasure of male victims as though men CANNOT be victims of anything, there's the male loneliness epidemic, there's how men are systematically emotionally neglected in society, there's the male suicide epidemic, the issue that schools systematically grade boys worse than girls despite giving the same answer, there's the issue of universities being 60% women and there still being more efforts to bring in more women in univers… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 02:33 AM |
| 1 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.We call it patriarchy. Patriarchy was the answer we were looking for. We have some lovely consolation prizes for you. Fair enough I should have said condescension and belittling instead of shaming and guilt tripping. Either way, you have any arguments to make? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 02:30 AM |
| 2 | Does anyone care that dating is better now for women?What words did I twist? Be specific. These ones when all we did was gain independence and start deciding men aren’t worth the headache. When the topic had absolutely nothing to do with independence or about how men aren't worth the headache. It's basically just a more subtle version of for example me asking you when you stopped abusing your partner. It's baking in an assumption into the statement and running with it, without ever justifying it or defending it. I will blame men, Cool, so I know y… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 02:20 AM |
| 2 | The rise of semi-segregated online spaces and their consequences have been a disaster for gender relations.I agree that the internet messes with our perception of reality, the problem is that many people have built their entire personality around those flawed perceptions. I'm talking specifically the women and feminists who are terrified there's a male rapist behind every street corner, who believe they are entirely justified in their paranoia, who then turn around and tell men who are falsely accused of rape that those men are delusional and paranoid and clearly the internet has rotted their brain. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 02:13 AM |
| 1 | How would you feel about a "reverse orgasm gap*?pretty much any post online about women who have bad sex lives in committed relationships starts with "i have tried talking to him repeatedly and nothing changes" Well if she has tried talking to him and he doesn't change, then yeah that absolutely sucks and he is at fault. I do wish to understand exactly what was said and how, because unfortunately communication between men and women is spotty at best, and both men and women can be convinced they communicated a message clearly and be completely… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 02:08 AM |
| 2 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.I mean I can agree that it is partly his fault, but for some reason it is never partly women's fault for being socialized the way they were and we can never hold women accountable for being socialized the way they were. I'm all for agreeing people are partly responsible, but we have to do it for both genders. but it's very common to see young men who had a casual group of friends through school related to school activities act gobsmacked when their friends drift away when they're no longer shari… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 02:02 AM |
| 2 | The rise of semi-segregated online spaces and their consequences have been a disaster for gender relations.TThe point about making observations isn't to "win men over" or "gain allies" in the first place. Not sure why you think that's the point of anything I said. Oh no see that was sarcasm to point out how you are going to be actively alienating half the people on the planet, and how those people who could have been allies and who could have helped you, will instead feel attacked for something they didn't do, and they will become apathetic to you or actively hostile to you, because of your own choic… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 01:51 AM |
| 4 | Does anyone care that dating is better now for women?Generally, the exact same thing women expect and demand from men. Women want men to listen to, hear, and acknowledge women's lived experiences. Well, it would help men a ton for women to do exactly that to men, to understand the issues men face, the struggles men face, and understand how men are different from women and think differently from women, but that it doesn't mean that men face no issues. Men don't face the issues women face, but there are a ton of issues men face that women don't eith… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 01:46 AM |
| 2 | Does anyone care that dating is better now for women?Haha thanks, I try. Have my upvote! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 01:42 AM |
| 0 | How would you feel about a "reverse orgasm gap*?I mean you'd say that, but it's already being said and has been said for the past 20+ years. But in all those years for some reason it's still basically verboten to ever blame women or hold women responsible for their own pleasure or for educating their partner. There are many men who are glad to to teach their partners how to have sex, basically. I have no idea why but many women seem to be incredibly resistant to the idea of teaching men anything. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 01:29 AM |
| 2 | The rise of semi-segregated online spaces and their consequences have been a disaster for gender relations.I mean I don't disagree that the internet is a tool, but we can't argue that online isn't real life, when online is ispired by, leaks into, and coexists with, real life. It's absolutely true that niche corners of the internet are not representative of reality as a whole, but we can't just dismiss all niches as though none of them are relevant, useful, or accurate. It does take nuance, and the internet absolutely can be used for good and bad things. It's just that for some reason the internet bei… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 03:20 PM |
| 2 | Does anyone care that dating is better now for women?I love how it’s women to blame when all we did was gain independence and start deciding men aren’t worth the headache. I love how women twist the meaning of words and paint arguments in an extremely dishonest and bad faith interpretation of what was said without actually ever engaging with the argument, and this this somehow makes them smart or win the argument. Just reading these responses is enough to show that women made the right choice by choosing the bear. You go do that. Just don't blame … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 03:17 PM |
| -1 | How would you feel about a "reverse orgasm gap*?oh yeah fair and that applies to men just as much. But I still find it really strange how that kind of fear of men and treating men like they're potentially violent psychopaths until or unless proven otherwise, can coexist with genuine desire for some man. Like, the desire for a man shouldn't erase the fear that he might be a psycho, but it does, somehow? Because again people are weird and can hold mutually contradictory ideas if they rationalize it hard enough, and arousal is anything but ratio… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 03:16 PM |
| 2 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Good on you for doing that serious reflection, acknowledging one's flaws and changing oneself is very difficult. Per people putting up with it, there's that good quote from Mr Nobody, about how there are so many assholes because people let them get away with it. It's seen as impolite to contradict or call people out, so they let them get away with it and silently judge instead. My problem tends to lie in the other direction, of being too accommodating and not having strong enough boundaries. Kin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 03:14 PM |
| 0 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.It also doesn't make it immediately wrong. Feel free to use arguments and logic instead of shaming and guilt tripping. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 02:42 PM |
| 1 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.I know patriarchy is the answer "we" were looking for. The problem is I like to give answers that are correct instead of just lying to people to tell them what they want to hear. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 08:39 AM |
| 0 | How would you feel about a "reverse orgasm gap*?almost entirely due to a lack of care or effort on the male partner's part. women usually can't get off from penetration alone and require foreplay type elements for the big O. When a guy decides he doesn't care about that, then you end up with the orgasm gap women complain about. And apparently women seem incapable of explaining what they need to men, incapable of teaching it to men, incapable of explaining they'd want to have sex with him more if she had more orgasms, and/or incapable of leavi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 08:35 AM |
| 0 | How would you feel about a "reverse orgasm gap*?It is kind of weird though because female sexuality is highly contingent on feeling a man's urgent desire, but men's urgent desire gets constantly painted as something that is wrong and violent and undesireable. People are weird. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 08:32 AM |
| 1 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.I mean you started it with the "well men are violent against women" as a "get out of jail free" card. I'd love to debate, but you are right that there is no debate possible when the first recourse is to immediately turns to "well men are violent thugs" to win the argument. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 08:30 AM |
| 5 | The rise of semi-segregated online spaces and their consequences have been a disaster for gender relations.And this is called "moving the goalposts." A woman sharing her frustrations about being harassed gets a ton of women supporting her because they've overwhelmingly experienced harassment too. You clearly agree that these women are correct and right in sharing their overwhelmingly experienced harassment. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 08:22 AM |
| – | The rise of semi-segregated online spaces and their consequences have been a disaster for gender relations.Immediately narrowing it to "viral online posts" is clearly a bad faith attempt to cherry pick examples that fit your narrative. Oh the irony! The only common story among manosphere men is how women won't date them. clearly a bad faith attempt to cherry pick examples that fit your narrative. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 08:21 AM |
| – | The rise of semi-segregated online spaces and their consequences have been a disaster for gender relations.Dude's entire schtick on here is to take the most bad faith interpretation of any argument that is critical of women, and then calling out any reply as a fallacy. Half the time he's just wrong and it's not a fallacy, he's just interpreting the reply in a bad faith way to make it sound like a fallacy, and the other half of the time it's technically true but it's pendantry about the definition of words. It can be kinda fun trying to argue with Solo and try to paint him into a corner, but most of t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 08:20 AM |
| 6 | The rise of semi-segregated online spaces and their consequences have been a disaster for gender relations.The only common story among manosphere men is how women won't date them. The only stories you pay attention to because it confirms your biases =/= the only common stories among the manosphere. Sticking your head in the sand doesn't make reality go away. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 08:18 AM |
| 3 | The rise of semi-segregated online spaces and their consequences have been a disaster for gender relations.Online isn’t real life. Oh cool then the red pill, the manosphere, and incels aren't real life either and we can tell women to stop bitching about those, neat! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 08:16 AM |
| 1 | The rise of semi-segregated online spaces and their consequences have been a disaster for gender relations.Do you believe a ot of women at least passively support the subjugation of men because of the chivalrous ideals of men freely helping women just because they are women, that so many women want to return to? Even women who identify as feminists often believe that they're owed a fantastic male partner who will do everything for them the way they want it, and resent men for not making that fantasy a reality. You're kinda taking the most bad faith interpretation possible to really push an agenda rea… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 08:14 AM |
| -5 | The rise of semi-segregated online spaces and their consequences have been a disaster for gender relations.Based on the bias of your post and this really curious blindness, it's pretty evident to me that you don't really think that the disaster is in knowledge of these ideas. It's in men finally having to take even a fraction of what they've been giving. Right, nothing ever helped foster peace, goodwill and people helping one another than to say "fuck you, you oppressed mine for hundreds of years in the past, now you who is innocent of ever doing any of that, will suffer the exact same fate my people… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 08:10 AM |
| 0 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Because men have a history of violence against women Oh boo hoo anything there's anything sightly inconvenient the old "but men used to beat up and murder women" excuse gets trotted out. 80% of victims of violent men, were other men. You don't see men be utterly terrified of existing out in public though. The more women keep using that bullshit "I win because men murder women" card, the less men will take it seriously and the less men will care. This is why comparing men's expression of frustrat… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 07:48 AM |
| 3 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Thanks haha, I'm trying to cut down my time in here, but it's kind of addicting. I try and do good in the rest of my life and there's nothing I can really get all that mad about out IRL, but this is one space where I can kinda cut loose and let my anger out at the blatantly hypocritical and bullshit takes. But it's not good for me because it primes my brain to seek out that kind of bullshit and primes my brain to react with anger at the bullshit. I gotta stop but arguing with idiots on this sub … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 07:35 AM |
| 2 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenIf a man is a 6/10, and women who are 4/10 refuse to date anything less than a 7/10, is the man dating out of his league if he can't get a 4/10? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 07:03 AM |
| 2 | If you’re wondering why guys do things “women don’t like”. It’s because some women do like it.Yes, I do type all that out every time. I try and be understood, and kinda get carried away typing too much and trying to explain myself too deeply, sorry. you have a remarkably active imagination and capacity for anguish! You can spin a diatribe of persecution from almost literally nothing! Yeah, I've been talking with feminists too long, it's starting to rub off on me. Why don't you try writing fiction instead of wasting your precious time on earth and carpal tunnel strength on the manosphere?… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 06:20 AM |
| 1 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Then why are men complaining about the women that chase criminals (who are definitely drama) when they say they want peace? Why do they care? Because those same women who complain about where all the good men have gone, then pick the bad boys, and complain that all men including the good ones ain't shit. They kinda care because the men face consequences from the constant insulting and demonization of men. Why should women care if men call women hoes and whores, right? Well, if women are allowed … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 06:19 AM |
| 2 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.I mean I agree that you need to have a certain understanding to communicate thoughts properly. The issue is not so much linguistics and the different meaning of words, because "patriarchy" is a single word that should have a rather more singular or at least unified definition, instead of referring to 10 different things, some of which are contradictory to one another. Generally if you ask 10 physicists to define gravity, or 10 doctors to define cancer, you're not going to get wildly inconsistent… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 05:12 AM |
| 1 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.I agree that there is a bit of a problem with the same word different understanding thing. I also agree it's not a unisex problem, both men and women do it in different ways. The one with men wanting sex but not going to sex workers is indeed a problem, and it's actually indicative of a broader problem in society that basically denies men their humanity. See men also want to be touched, desired, held, loved, appreciated, and the vast majority of men are both chronically emotionally neglected and… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 05:08 AM |
| 1 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Many women report falling for guys they were not initially attracted to. You know that's fair, there are some women like that. They don't seem to be the majority, but they do exist. I spoke too hastily there. But also, do men pursue people they aren't attracted to? Women only dating men they find attractive is not some gotcha. People in general don't want to date people they aren't attracted to. I mean the difference is that men generally consider 50% of women attractive, while women seem to con… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 04:53 AM |
| 3 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenHe was on his own and it worked on his first try? Damn, lucky bastard! Ok BRB gonna run after women in the park to get conversations started! ;) For real though how exactly did it go from a random man approaching you to you two going out together? If you can write a book that successfully helps men know how to approach women and date you might just become a multi-millionaire overnight! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 04:45 AM |
| 2 | If you’re wondering why guys do things “women don’t like”. It’s because some women do like it.I agree that knowingly entering a relationship after identifying an incompatibility is setting oneself up for failure. The problem is that people can't always spot that incompatibility, or they think the incompatibility is not in fact an incompatibility. It's not always black or white ;) There is always an optin even if it's not one you want. I mean yeah but men are significantly more willing to take those options than women are. Women seem to want to either take the absolute best choice, or hav… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 04:29 AM |
| 1 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.I disagree. What makes one a good partner has nothing to do with experience. I mean experience doesn't AUTOMATICALLY make someone a better partner, you can't just have lots of partners, do nothing while in a relationship, and become automatically better, you have to actually work to improve and get better while in a relationship. But experience absolutely plays a role, because we learn a ton about ourselves through experience in a relationship, and that's just not something you can experience an… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 03:50 AM |
| 1 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Not sure what you mean there, I'm assuming that's for the last question about the loving husbands. The loving husbands are part of the problem and work for solutions, but get shut down? I mean if they're working for the solutions but get shut down, it sounds like they're not part of the problem. Sounds like it's the wife who is the problem. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 03:33 AM |
| 3 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.I agree that not everyone is ready to change. Changing oneself is a very hard thing haha, and it is indeed impossible to force someone to change. As much as we would like to, to have that kind of control over others, we simply do not, and we cannot force others to change. We can only open the door, they have to go through it themselves, and if they are not willing, there's nothing we can do. I won't say that people are not willing to accept help due to their own trauma. I'd say more that their t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 03:32 AM |
| 2 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenI mean sure, lonely sexless men give bad advice for dating, but that's kind of obvious, so why point that out? I can say that people who are born blind don't give good fashion advice, but like, sure? So what? I am of the belief that in order to be able to give good advice on any topic, generally speaking, you need to have experience with that topic. Well, yes. The problem is that there are many men who have a lot of experience dating women and give good advice on how to date women, and women don… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 03:26 AM |
| 5 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenI don't know what you mean by "being asked" to consider women who are fat or poor. I'm saying the women who are as fat as me and make as much money as I do, generally believe they deserve someone better than me, who is both fitter and richer than me. So if the women who are fitter than me and richer than me obviously don't want me, and the women who are as fat as me and as rich as men don't want me, who exactly do you think I'm left with? Incidentally, this weird incel math and aggrieved entitle… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 03:08 AM |
| 1 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenI mean when men say they find young women attractive, women say they're lying and they just want women who are easier to control, or say men are lying and they're actually pedophiles. That happens all the time. Women for some reason refuse to believe that men think that female beauty peaks at like 21. Virtually all men regardless of age think the most attractive age for women is 21. In contrast women think the most attractive men are a few years older than her, until women hit 30 then they think… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 03:05 AM |
| 2 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenLol. I wish I could see the ratio of upvotes to downvotes on my comments, so I'd see if it's just one or two disgruntled people, or if it's like -52 to +49 or something. Lots of angry NPC points going on in this sub for sure. Lots of "I agree" upvotes as well, which kinda defeats the purpose of upvotes as "this comment adds to the conversation", but most conversations on here are kinda shit anyways. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 03:00 AM |
| 2 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.I don't mind a bit of facetiousness and sass, I enjoy some good humour and good-natured ribbing. Unfortunately there are way too many women on this sub who do straight up hate men and would 100% genuinely say that, while being completely oblivious to the hypocrisy that they would never accept it if it was a man telling her to choose better. but the reality is that sometimes you’re gonna learn lessons about what you don’t want in a relationship the hard way. Absolutely. We can read up all we want… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 02:58 AM |
| 5 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.It's not that they fail to understand the statement. It's that they don't want to acknowledge it and will interpret anything in any way that never contradits what they want to believe about women. They want to see that women are kind and caring and moral and that men are these violent horrible brutes, and they're willing to twist words and reinterpret anything said to try and maintain the beliefs they want to hold, reality and truth be damned. I spent way too long on this subreddit arguing with … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 02:51 AM |
| 2 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.From my perspective, the only ones who are actively working on promoting a point of view that men’s emotions are valid and matter and that men have a right to express those emotions, are those quarter or so of feminists that you mentioned. That's totally fair, it's just a shame that less than 1/4 of feminists are completely drowned out by the other 3/4 and that most of their efforts get completely cancelled out. There are a ton of men who are actively working on promoting a point of view that me… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 02:47 AM |
| 3 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenI mean many women are in fact liars. So are men. It's called being human. I don't pretend like one gender is morally superior to the other simply because of the gender they're born into, that's generally what feminists do. Besides, being called a liar is pretty harmless compared to being judged as predatory and selfish just because of one's gender. Per dating advice, I'm not sure what exactly you are asking for here. Dating advice that works and that women won't believe? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 02:27 AM |
| 3 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenAnd if all the women are chasing very few men, then that would suggest that the rest of them have no chance at all Well, yes. Women judge 80% of men as "below average". On dating apps, women swipe right 10% of the time, and get a match on 6 of the 10 swipes they make, for a 60% match rate. Men swipe right 50% of the time, and get a match on less than 5 of the 50 swipes they make, for a less than 10% match rate. IRL, it is overwhelmingly men who do the approaching and overwhelmingmy men who get r… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 02:25 AM |
| 3 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenIf women will only date Chad and you’re not Chad, then how are you being asked to date down? Because if I ask the woman on my level, she sees me as below her. So I have to ask a woman "below my level", because she will look up at me and think I'm on her level. Basically, say I make 75K a year. Women who make 75K a year want men who make 100k a year. Therefore women who make the same income I do, won't date me, and so to find someone who will date me, I have to pick a date from women who earn les… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 02:21 AM |
| 2 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenAh fair enough. I'm honestly kinda surprised honestly, it's a rare woman who acknowledges that the term incel has now become meaningless. And per lonely sexless men, how would you know that? You say it's just the facts at hand, but how do you know? Are you assuming they're lonely and sexless just because of the advice they give? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 02:08 AM |
| 0 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.I don't care how his wife looked at my age. I don't care about any of that. I care that he was inadvertently insulting his wife to compliment me. Therefore trying to force me to engage in competition with his wife. Which disgusts me. I cut clients off for that. No, you are assuming that he was insulting his wife. That's your interpretation of what you believe he was saying. He might have been thinking that he was complimenting you, because his wife was beautiful 20 years ago and you are just as … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 02:07 AM |
| 2 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenright because lonely sexless men are experts on what women want and how to get them. You basically said incel without saying incel. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 02:03 AM |
| 3 | If you’re wondering why guys do things “women don’t like”. It’s because some women do like it.See the problem is that the vast majority of women want men to plan the date. So it's nice for the 20% of guys who get a woman who don't expect the man to plan dates, but what are the other 80% of men supposed to do? You're not wrong, but your solution to men's dating issue is basically "if you're homeless just buy a house". It's nice for women that they can metaphorically "just buy a house" for themselves, but the overwhelming majority of men simply do not have that option. So what then? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 02:02 AM |
| 5 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenOh yeah telling men to talk to strangers in public would absolutely get a shitshow started, both with the women who claim that men daring to talk to women in public is harrassment, and with men saying that talking to women in public is the fast way to getting falsely accused of rape lol. I actually agree with you that talking to people in person and in public is a good idea (in areas where people are friendly, pick your neighborhood and all that), the problem is that there's still a HUGE gap bet… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 02:00 AM |
| 4 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenLol, you missed it, /u/Downtown_Cat_1745 already told me that women are not prey. It's a good thing women are such good communicators that they can understand metaphors so well. There's probably a ton more who thought that and didn't reply either, going by the downvotes I received. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 01:57 AM |
| 0 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Honstly I am rather surprised and very glad to hear that you are in agreement. Something like 90% of women on here would refuse to acknowledge that there ever could be any kind of wide scale systemic problem with how women treat men, as though there's no way women could be anything less than moral angels who can do no wrong. I agree that it is hard to be in a relationship with someone who is emotionally stunted or closed off. The flip side of that would e that it is hard to be in a relationship … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 01:55 AM |
| 1 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Hey, the fact you can say "I'm sorry for you" is already pretty fantastic, that makes you better than 90% of the women on this sub. Most of them can't even acknowledge that this is a thing men experience and that they ought to feel sorry for what men go through. Most women on here just refuse to acknowledge that men can be and are victims or victimized, so you're doing fantastic in comparison! I uh, I i think women overall just want men to have more balanced selves.. dbt is a good way to do that… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 01:47 AM |
| 4 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenWomen don't believe men when men describe how dating is brutal for men. Women don't believe men when men say that men are half the domestic abuse victims, or that men frequently get hit and insulted by women. Women don't believe men when men point out they don't experience all the female privileges women enjoy without realizing. Women don't believe men when men try to explain the gender empathy gap, or explain that men don't get helped if they cry. Women don't believe men when men say that when … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 01:35 AM |
| 8 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenA person who dates you selects you back. And the person who selects back basically has to do no effort beyond saying yes. Hence it puts all the burden on men, which is why men have to figure out how to approach women, date women, ask women out, and all that, and basically have to ask the fisherman how to do the job, because the woman's job is more often than not just sitting back and saying yes. Again, I'd agree with you that women are "not prey" if women would approach men and would ask men out… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 01:34 AM |
| 2 | Does anyone care that dating is better now for women?Oh I agree with you that the whole dynamic has changed beyond all recognition. The dating scene is completely fucked, because not only has the bar scene changed a lot, but the "traditional script" for how to date, how to signal interest, and the acceptable script to communicate that interest, has all been thrown out the window, with absolutely nothing to replace it. They threw the baby out with the bathwater, set the washbasin on fire, shot anyone who approached, and then wondered why men don't … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 01:29 AM |
| 1 | If you’re wondering why guys do things “women don’t like”. It’s because some women do like it.How is the "burden placed on men" exactly? If the potential relationship didn't work out for either of them isn't that equal? The burden is placed on men because while if the relationship fails it does fail for both of them, but "if one person is a great communicator" puts the burden on whoever that greater communicator will be, and more often than not it's not the woman. So if the man is not a great communicator, the relationship fails, because often women are not great communicators and seemin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 01:24 AM |
| 3 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenWomen are not prey. I mean on the one hand no they're not, but on the other hand if women don't want to be prey then they ought to actively participate in dating and chase men down themselves instead of waiting for men to chase them. It’s more like you’re asking how to get a job from people who don’t have jobs instead of asking interviewers No, it's asking how to get a job from people who have had many jobs, while half the interviewers are saying that the best way to get a job is to ask for the … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 01:20 AM |
| 1 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenWomen don't call men liars, they just don't believe what men say if women don't like what they hear. Women often do believe that men are in fact liars or mistaken, they just don't say it out loud. It's basically a distinction without a difference. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 01:16 AM |
| 0 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Emotional vulnerability is not weakness, it is proof of strength. Except for the near majority of women who treat it as weakness when they see it in men. I kind of agree with you, but the problem is that women apparently decided that they are the sole arbiters of what counts as emotional vunlerability and how men should show emotional vulnerability, and women elected themselves as the sole arbiters of whether it counts as emotional vulnerability or as weakness that gives them the ick. Especially… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 01:14 AM |
| 1 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Well yes, because there's very little correlation between feminism and being open to men expressing vulnerability. The good feminists certainly try to care about men's issues and helping men, but the good feminists are somewhere less than 1/4 of all feminists out there, so yeah, no correlation between feminism and caring about men's emotions. Which is part of why I am in fact an anti-feminist. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 01:08 AM |
| 2 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Funnily enough when men say that to women the men are accused of being misogynistic and hateful. I actually agree with you that choosing better solves A LOT of problems, but for some reason that's one of many things men apparently aren't allowed to tell women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 01:05 AM |
| 1 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Totally fair, and to be fair if you are not a "typical" woman or a "typical" guy, that kinda lands one in the non-average kind of friend circles, where the mainstream nonsense is less likely to happen. At the end of the day, so long as you are happy and living a good life, and happy with the friends you are making, then that's really all that matters :) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 01:05 AM |
| 1 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.I mean that's fair, but asking women about their experiences with men, and asking men about their experiences with other men, is still not the same as asking men about their experiences with women. Not saying your boyfriend didn't have bad experiences, I have some gay friends and they're also disillusioned with how so many gay men just want sex. But there is a specific flavour of awfulness that men experience at the hands of women, and for some reason nobody wants to acknowledge that. The only m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 12:57 AM |
| 0 | If you’re wondering why guys do things “women don’t like”. It’s because some women do like it.Right. You learn. And you try to assume what the woman wants, because you learn that when you ask women what they want, they turn you down and you get rejected. So you learn to not ask because asking leads to failure. What then? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 12:49 AM |
| 4 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenNo but see even a married man with children giving advice about how to attract women, gets called an incel the moment he gives advice women don't like. Therefore despite being a married man with children, since his advice makes him an incel, he automatically becomes a lonely sexless man, and his loneliness, sexlessness, and hatred of women is clearly the reason he's giving advice women don't like. So "men being lonely and sexless can't give good advice" isn't really a useful parameter, because a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 12:13 AM |
| 2 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.To be fair there's also a "what I get for myself intrinsically from a relationship, that doesn't require it being given to me from others". I like to help people and make people happy for example, and that's just something I enjoy that doesn't require anyone to give me anything. But yeah everyone needs to take a good long look at the give vs take to make sure their relationships are worth it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 11:56 PM |
| 2 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.No like her pussy dried up ever since she saw him crying about his dying cat, and therefore he's not getting any pussy anymore. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 10:16 PM |
| 1 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.If by "men" you mean "a tiny minority of men" then sure. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 10:15 PM |
| 1 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Good for that client, he's not going to be stuck with someone who interprets everything he says in the worst light possible. You ever thought he might have meant that you look like how his wife looked like 20 years ago? And if he thought his wife looked good then, that you do too? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 10:14 PM |
| 1 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Millennial women are pretty awesome to other millennial women. 21% of women under 30 in the UK say they have a very negative view of men, compared to 7% of men under 30 who have a very negative view of women. Millennial women can be awesome to millennial men like they can be horrible to millennial men. As a millennial woman you don't have to walk through that minefield. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 10:12 PM |
| 5 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.But if a man opens up, and what opening up reveals is that he doesn't have the emotional maturity one might reasonably expect of a sixth grader, of course she's going to be horrified. Then she's going to be horrified to find out that society basically systematically emotionally neglects and emotionally abuses men, and apparently nobody cares enough to do something about it rather than telling men to do better, man up, and pull themselves up by their own bootstraps, while completely ignoring the … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 10:07 PM |
| 3 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Yall date some heartless women lol Well yeah, there's a fuck ton of women who are heartless to men out there. That's kinda what feminism has been preaching the last few decades, where have you been? Ime most women are perfectly okay with a man showing emotion over big life moments like a loved one dying. Provided that these things are actually big life moments, and not daily dramas Yes, but usually only if the man has enough "manliness credits" to get away with it. The more manly she perceived h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 10:01 PM |
| 0 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Men are also very happy to say they will gladly teach that virgin the knowledge. In contrast many women want men who have experience and confidence and knows what he's doing, but virtually no woman is willing to teach that to men, men are just supposed to gain that knowledge and confidence from the aether apparently. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 09:57 PM |
| 1 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Congratulations, you are the exception to the rule and your partner will be a lucky man. The other 98% of men likely won't find women who tolerate what they will perceive as emotional weakness. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 09:55 PM |
| 0 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Feel free to ask men about their lived experiences with women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 09:54 PM |
| -1 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Congratulations, you are the exception to the rule and your boyfriend is lucky. The other 98% of men likely won't find women who tolerate what they perceive as emotional weakness. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 09:53 PM |
| 0 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.The problem is that both woman A and woman B say they like thing X, but what woman A means when she says she likes X is radically different from what woman B means when she says she likes X. And both are adamant they like the same thing and it's men's fault for not understanding them. It's like asking 10 feminists to define what the patriarchy is, and getting 12 different and often contradictory answers, but they're all adamant they're talking about the same thing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 09:53 PM |
| 2 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Right, so if she wants everything and the opposite, and no man is ever good enough for her and she simply wants perfection, what then? At some point people need to accept that they CAN'T have it all, and living life means making concessions and compromises. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 09:51 PM |
| 0 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.I mean you're not wrong but the process of vetting is SIGNIFICANTLY easier for women. Most men can't get dates at all, so how are you supposed to vet for a partner when you can barely even GET a partner. I absolutely understand the "it's important to find a restaurant you like that serves food you enioy, because you don't want to go every week to the same place and hate it", but that advice is kind of useless when women can go to restaurants once a week and men only once every 6 months. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 09:50 PM |
| -2 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.The problem is that both woman A and woman B say they like thing X, but what woman A means when she says she likes X is radically different from what woman B means when she says she likes X. And both are adamant they like the same thing and it's men's fault for not understanding them. It's like asking 10 feminists to define what the patriarchy is, and getting 12 different and often contradictory answers, but they're all adamant they're talking about the same thing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 09:48 PM |
| -1 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenI mean you're not wrong, but there's a saying about asking the fisherman how to fish, not asking the fish themselves. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 09:45 PM |
| 7 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenFunnily enough women do the exact same thing when they don't like what men tell them. It's almost like it's a human problem, not a male problem. Doesn't mean it shouldn't be called out, but let's not delude ourselves into thinking women aren't just as guilty of this as men are. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 09:43 PM |
| 5 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenI'm actually curious to hear what that change was that could have started a shit show lol. I understand if you don't want to share and don't want to deal with the potential shit show, but if you are willing to DM me, again, I'm rather curious to know. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 09:43 PM |
| 10 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenWell yeah but didn't you know, even married men with kids suddenly become incels the moment they say something women don't like. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 09:42 PM |
| 10 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenWhat do women find attractive?" Women: "Confidence, compatibility, humor, shared values, emotional intelligence, physical attraction, and a hundred other factors." Men: "No, you actually only care about height." At that point why ask women at all? You've already decided the answer. I mean it's not wrong, when those women want men who have confidence, compatibility, humor, shared values, emotional intelligence, physical attraction, and a hundred other factors and who are 6' tall. It's kind of dis… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 09:38 PM |
| 3 | If you’re wondering why guys do things “women don’t like”. It’s because some women do like it.If one person is a great communicator with clear goals that's usually enough. Well yes but then why is the burden placed on men again? Women can afford to be bad communicators and afford to not have clear goals, and it's fine because they guy will pick up the slack. Isn't that kind of implicitly admitting that men are better communicators? If we truly want equality, why are we infantilizing women, excusing poor behaviour in women, not holding women accountable, and saying it's fine if women aren… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 08:33 PM |
| 9 | If you’re wondering why guys do things “women don’t like”. It’s because some women do like it.Many women do do that. Significantly less than half of all women, but many women do indeed do that. Now we just have to convince more women to use their words, and maybe one day we'll reach a point where more than half of all women use their words like that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 04:21 AM |
| 14 | If you’re wondering why guys do things “women don’t like”. It’s because some women do like it.Imagine a woman telling a man what she prefer, using her words and asking rather than letting him guess where she wants to eat or making him guess whether she wants to be validated or she wants actual solutions. Imagine women are able to use their words and communicating like an equal adult rather than putting the entire burden on the man. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 04:11 AM |
| 14 | If you’re wondering why guys do things “women don’t like”. It’s because some women do like it.How are you supposed to know when you can't tell ahead of time? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 04:10 AM |
| 2 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.See I agree that emotions are a good way to connect, and it is hurtful to want a connection and be denied it. It is hurtful to women when they try to make an emotional bid for cnnection and are met with a wall, and it is equally painful when men try to make an emotional bid for connection and are met with a wall. So many of these walls are due to the fact that men and women generally don't feel and express their emotions the same way. That doesn't mean women are wrong for doing it the way they d… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 03:16 AM |
| 2 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.Is there a particular video or particular point about any one of those videos you'd like to discuss? I'm sure there are some good points in those videos I would agree with, but I'm not really willing to watch 9 videos of 20+ minutes each. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 12:51 AM |
| 1 | Does anyone care that dating is better now for women?I mean it benefits women in the short term and comes with trade offs, but women can just blame men for all of those trade offs and completely ignore their own responsibility and accountability for the consequences of their own choices and actions. It's really wonderful when nothing can ever be your fault! Per women and genuine options, they have access to the same number of genuine options as they've ever had. The problem is women don't want the genuine options, they want the top options. So the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 12:47 AM |
| 3 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.I've literally been called a misogynist for sharing the stats that men and women both commit, and are victimized by domestic violence at similar rates. Well of course, you dared to say something negative about women, clearly the only reason anyone would ever say anything negative about women is because they're a misogynistic woman-hating incel you see! Meanwhile any woman who says anything hateful about men is totally justified because of her lived experience and women being oppressed by the pat… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 12:43 AM |
| – | If there is no obligations and nobody owes anyone anything. We should go fully, not picking and choosing. Men particularly, Need to simply be selfish and self serving, alot more.Why do you think most women are utterly unwilling to show empathy to men? Serious question, because I genuinely don’t think that’s true. Largely because of the gender empathy gap, and cultural conditioning where women believe themselves to be more fragile, more emotional, more deserving of protection, while the man needs to be strong and bold and assertive and the protector. People literally believe that when a man and a woman go through the exact same experience, that men suffer less. https://w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 12:38 AM |
| 2 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.but I think it's unrealistic for women to expect such drastic change from someone. I mean I agree, but apparently feminism and society in general believes that women are enetitled to demanding whatever they want from men, no matter how drastic the change, while men aren't entitled to demanding anything at all from women. Instead of encouraging people to understand one another, come to a middle ground, and figure things out, feminism just encourages women to flat out make demands and refuse to gi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 12:25 AM |
| – | If there is no obligations and nobody owes anyone anything. We should go fully, not picking and choosing. Men particularly, Need to simply be selfish and self serving, alot more.I would ask of women the exact same thing they ask of men. To listen to men's lived experiences, to acknowledge and understand the issues men go through, and also to not immediately dismiss all of men's issues by saying essentially "well I'm not going to pity fuck men so I don't care and men can go fuck themselves". Meanwhile those women who don't care about men's issues or men's suicide or men being half the domestic abuse or men falling behind in education, DEMAND that men care about abortion,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 12:21 AM |
| – | If there is no obligations and nobody owes anyone anything. We should go fully, not picking and choosing. Men particularly, Need to simply be selfish and self serving, alot more.I mean I agree that men not receiving enough empathy is an argument for showing men more empathy. The problem is most women are utterly unwilling to show any empathy to men. So women should show more empathy, but they don't, while women constantly demand more empathy from men than women are ever willing to give TO men. So in response men give back to women he exact same amount of empathy they get from women, and all of a sudden that's a problem. I agree that showing less empathy is adding more t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 09:33 PM |
| 16 | If there is no obligations and nobody owes anyone anything. We should go fully, not picking and choosing. Men particularly, Need to simply be selfish and self serving, alot more.I would say that men should care about women’s problems AND women should care about men’s. Absolutely. The problem is, what happens when women don't care, but demand that men care? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 10:04 AM |
| 4 | Does anyone care that dating is better now for women?Oh yeah the problem is not the M&Ms, it's basically calling men toxic by using M&Ms that's the problem. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 04:07 AM |
| 4 | Does anyone care that dating is better now for women?But I think it can be easier to stay chill and calm and step outside heightened emotions a bit when talking about M&Ms or roller skates or whatever to analyze a dynamic, because it puts a little bit of distance between us and the analogy. I mean on the one hand yeah, but on the other hand the M&M analogy is pretty much saying "men are toxic, if you are a man you are toxic", so that one kinda breaks down a bit. I agree that it helps to have analogies if those analogies aren't immediately hateful … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 02:56 AM |
| 3 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.You know that's fair, I probably read into your arguments something that wasn't there, sorry about that. I've been seeing far too many people make dishonest comments implying things without outright stating them that I read those into your comment too. Saying social norms influence behaviour isn’t the same thing as saying nobody is responsible for their behaviour. I agree, but for some reason the blame practically always falls at men's feet and practically never at women's feet. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 02:37 AM |
| 3 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.I mean I agree with you, but I don't really understand how your comment relates to mine? It's nice that you see it that way, and I agree with you, but when a man does that and focuses on solving problems, feminism and feminists often somehow seen as the wrong way to do it or the wrong thing to focus on. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 02:26 AM |
| 2 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.For example, the white women who voted for trump are recieving the same amount of heat if not more compared to the men who made the same decision. Could be but I'm not really seeing it. All I'm seeing are feminists constantly blaming men for electing Trump while completely ignoring and downplaying the fact that 44% of the people who voted for Trump are women. When I point out those statistics to the feminists who loudly blame men for electing Trump, all of a sudden they go silent, like either th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 02:25 AM |
| 5 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.Haha well not every single one of them, but thanks, I try haha! Been arguing in these spaces for way too long honestly, I've seen just about every permutation of those arguments and how they weasel their way around logic, so I try and hit them hard and nail it by calling out those double standards and the lack of logic. For some reason, trying to be logically consistent and having moral integrity appears to be patriarchal and misogynistic. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 02:05 AM |
| 1 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.Oh I agree, but see the thing with men vs women is that generally when men communicate they try and convey information, and it is important for words to retain their meaning to allow effective communication. When women communicate it is often less about conveying information and is more about changing people's perception and feelings. It doesn't matter if words lose their weight and lose their meaning, because you can always come up with a new buzzword, a new comparison, a new expression. Langua… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 02:02 AM |
| 7 | Does anyone care that dating is better now for women?It's honestly amazing how many times I've seen women prove arguments about women right, in their very attempts to prove those arguments wrong. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 01:56 AM |
| 9 | Does anyone care that dating is better now for women?. In a recent case, 4 boys were suspended from school for systematically rating the girls in their school. Now, find an example where girls systematically rated boys to degrade them like that. I don't see why 4 boys should be suspended for expressing their preferences about the girls in their school. Why are you dishonestly framing it like where it's boys doing it on purpose to degrade women? Pretty bad faith of you to frame it in the worst possible light like that. In contrast, here you go, a f… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 01:56 AM |
| 4 | Does anyone care that dating is better now for women?You are right that people aggressively don't care about the dating problems of men. There's a lot of attention being brought to the dating problems of women, as though women are uniquely penalized by it and that it's all men's fault. Men who struggle with dating tend to care about men's dating problems. Most other people just don't care at all. Well yeah, but there's still a huge difference in how society in general cares about women vs men. It's the gender empathy gap. https://www.psychologytod… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 01:44 AM |
| 8 | Does anyone care that dating is better now for women?I agree that comparing people to objects is kinda inherently dehumanizing, but there are ways to do it that are less distasteful than others. If it's done equally to both sides without being excessively harsh on one or the other, then it's more okay than just "men are like a bowl of skittles, some of them are poisoned, so it's better to throw them all in the trash" kind of thing, or even the whole "man vs bear" thing that happened. Funny how the equivalent for women would never have been tolerat… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 01:43 AM |
| 2 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.The problem is also that men generally spend a lot of their lives facing constant criticism and insults and grow a tougher skin for it. There's a joke that women compliment each other but don't mean it, while men insult each other but don't mean it. And there are a ton of women who come across something even just mildly critical or mildly negative, and take it extremely personally, and perceive it as hatred. Men generally face just as much hatred as women, it's just that most men are used to it,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 01:40 AM |
| 10 | Does anyone care that dating is better now for women?When men harm women, they generally actually harm them And when women harm men, they generally actually harm men too. Women do it in a different way, doesn't mean they don't do it. For example, there are the high school girls who falsely accused a boy of rape just because they didn't like him. Women tend to use violence by proxy (getting others to attack for them) and reputation destruction. https://reason.com/2018/10/17/seneca-valley-mean-girls-false-sexual/ Women are just as strong and just as… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 01:36 AM |
| 9 | Does anyone care that dating is better now for women?Yes I do realize he is a man making that comparison, and I don't need to call out his misogyny because there's an army of feminists waiting and ready to jump down any man's throat who dares to say or think anything wrong. There doesn't need to be one more to speak up against misogyny because there's a legion already. In contrast there's nobody to stand up and point out misandry. Feminism is not entitled to infinite help, support, time, and effort from men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/26 06:59 PM |
| 6 | Does anyone care that dating is better now for women?I mean I'm not asking you to change anything and I agree that everyone ought to find the best partner (ie the most compatible person) that they can. What I'm pointing out are the double standards that exist in society. Mating has been and always will be competitive, but the double standard is that when the losers of that competition are men they're seen as acceptable casualties, but when the losers of that competition are women society sees that as misogynistic and unacceptable and a problem men… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/26 06:57 PM |
| 16 | Does anyone care that dating is better now for women?Thank you for the comment, I try and show a different perspective. Unfortunately, double standards and misandry positively abound in society and nobody cares because it is seen as perfectly acceptable. Misogyny was and is a problem and deserves to be addressed for sure, but by that exact same standard so does misandry. And yet the people who scream the loudest about how misogyny is a huge problem, are often the first in line to deny, erase, invalidate, and dismiss how misandry is a problem too. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/26 06:54 PM |
| 43 | Does anyone care that dating is better now for women?Now imagine the cries of "misogyny" you'd hear if men compared women to a sub optimal meal. For some reason as a society we see it as a problem if men choose a self serving option that harms women as an accidental by-product, but as a society we are totally fine if women choose a self serving option that harms men as an accidental by-product. It's a hugely hypocritical double standard. Either its fine for either gender to pick the selfish option even if it accidentally harms the other gender, or… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/26 03:59 PM |
| – | Women are larping loneliness.What do men think women don't understand? That there are far more men who lead absolutely shitty lives, worse than most average women, and that the men at the top they complain about represents a minuscule fraction of all men. Most people at the top of the social pyramid are men, but so are most people at the bottom, and there are far far far more people at the bottom of the pyramid than the top. Most women don't understand that the average man's lived experiences has far less privileges than th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/26 11:51 PM |
| 7 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.1) it is SIGNIFICANTLY safer for women than for men, because it is the socially acceptable and accepted norm for women to be emotional and weak and vulnerable. It's not perfectly and always safe for women, that is true, but women largely don't get dumped because they cry from something that happened to them. There are hundreds of stories of men opening up about their vulnerabilities and trauma and getting immediately dumped. You can't just hand-wave it away by saying "this happens to women too" … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/26 11:37 PM |
| 5 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.I agreed with one part of your point, and then I pointed out you stopped just shy of the actual answer. You said patriarchy is responsible for enforcing gender roles. Except that the patriarchy is either made by and for men, in which case patriarchy is just blaming men, or the patriarchy is reinforced by women, but those women who reinforce the patriarchy have internalized misogyny, but those women have internalized misogyny because of men, so either way blaming the patriarchy is just blaming me… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/26 11:23 PM |
| – | Women are larping loneliness.They are though. Not all those insults and not every single time, but men absolutely get told there's something wrong with them if they think 80% of women are below average in terms of appearance. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/26 07:07 PM |
| – | Women are larping loneliness.A failure of imagination or empathy does not mean a thing doesn't exist. I mean I completely agree with this right here, but see Yeah, it's weird the amount of people here that are like "You are lying... because I can't imagine your problem is real." What you describe here happens all the time to men whenever they try to explain their issues and problems to the vast majority of women, because the vast majority of women don't have a cue what the average man's lived experience is like. As a societ… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/26 07:04 PM |
| – | Women are larping loneliness.Thank you for caring about and making efforts to understand men and men's issues. It is so incredibly rare, and it is always incredible to see it happen. As someone who is ACTUALLY a feminist it’s very frustrating cause it’s gotten to a point where whenever a woman tells me she’s a feminist I think “‘Okay, are you a dismantle the patriarchy kinda feminist? ‘Or a ‘I just want women to be the patriarchs kinda feminist’” Unfortunately, you are part of the small minority of "good" feminists, the oth… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/26 05:57 PM |
| – | Women are larping loneliness.Very true. And still true that it is still easier for women to find a good relationship, than it is for a man to find a bad relationship. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/26 05:54 PM |
| – | Women are larping loneliness.But for some reason if men say they're not attracted to 80% of women they're called misogynistic, porn-brained, and that the oppressive male gaze is imposing unrealistic beauty standards. Odd double standard in society isn't it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/26 05:53 PM |
| 2 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.And I "love" how somehow it's men's fault for actually responding to what they say rather than responding to what they meant to say, and then they say they don't expect men to be mind readers. And somehow all this is men's fault lol, and pointing out how women are bad communicators means men must be sexist and misogynistic. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/26 05:47 PM |
| 2 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.The pay gap disappears when you take into consideration experience, training, job title, overtime, and more. It is literally illegal to pay women less for the same work. But feminism keeps peddling the debunked pay gap because no matter how wrong it is, or how bad their statistics are by just pooling all women regardless of education, hours worked, experience, and comparing all women vs all men, they keep trotting out the same debunked statistics because it preserves the narrative of female oppr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/26 03:27 PM |
| 4 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.There's a difference between women and feminism. Women indeed do not care enough about men, largely while demanding men care endlessly about them. It's hypocritical and self serving but at least it's a kind of honest double standard based only in selfishness and indifference. Feminism on the other hand quite maliciously twists words, facts, and data to suit their needs in order to deliberately portray men in a horrible light, and twist words to attack, denigrate, insult, and/or blame men. Femini… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/26 02:24 PM |
| 3 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.The thing is that today in the Western world there isn't a single right men have that women don't, and several rights and privileges that women do enjoy that men don't. So if in the Western world women have equal or better rights than men, why do we still need feminism? Why isn't feminism instead focusing entirely on the middle East and Africa and areas where women do not have the same rights? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/26 02:14 PM |
| 8 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.Yes, feminism treats men as though men are defective women. Men don't express their emotions the way women do, so men are wrong. Men don't have the same feelings towards women as women do, so men are wrong. That's not what they explicitly say, but most of their actions are completely in line with the above. They treat men as though being a man and reacting like a man are defects that need to be fixed. They'd positively lose their shit if and when men have the same attitude towards women, saying … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/26 02:11 PM |
| 3 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.I would expect a movement that claims to be about equality, to not treat equality like a one way street exclusively to the benefit of women. That's not equality, that's female supremacy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/26 07:29 AM |
| 4 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.Maybe there are some feminists out there that blame the patriarchy on men, and that is a simplistic view. Whether it is a simplistic view or not, it is the logical conclusion of most feminists out there who believe in internalized misogyny, even if they don't realize it. I think most feminist scholars would argue that the patriarchy is a system of oppression that benefits very few people I mean sure but that's not how 98% of all the other feminists use the term, and it's not the academics passin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 11:52 PM |
| 3 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.Oh yeah then I agree lol. Gotta love how they say something, but what they mean is the opposite of what the words mean. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 10:34 PM |
| 7 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.I mean emotional intelligence is a real thing, but just like emotional labour and clinical terms, feminism uses, abuses, and misuses those terms to weaponize the words against men for sure. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 06:29 PM |
| 4 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.I agree that n'en being emotionally available is more of a better point, but the problem ia that according to feminism, "men being more emotionally available" means "men feeling and expressing their emotions exactly like women do any anything else is wrong and the fault of the patriarchy". This is how feminism treats men like emotionally defective women, instead of recognizing that men are not women and it is totally fine and good for men to be different from women. Feminism has a fantastic PR. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 05:16 PM |
| 8 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.I mean I am trying not to be too realistic here, if I am they'll never believe us ;) And it's kinda worse, feminism gives a shit about men's emotions only in so far as it benefits women, so it will gladly manipulate men's emotions to men's detriment if it gives women even a minor benefit. Feminism not giving a shit about men's emotions would actually be an improvement. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 05:12 PM |
| 2 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.I hear you it is bleak, but there is more and more recognition that men aren't ok, so yeah it will take time but in say 10 years we should see some big changes in attitudes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 05:07 PM |
| 4 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.Ouch haha you and me both! I do have some hope, we are seeing things slowly shift and change, but it'll likely take another decade at least. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 03:35 AM |
| – | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.I mean it's feminism that started the oppression Olympics game, we're just paying by their rules. Not our fault if men can beat feminism at its own game. Explain to me how society protected these women. When it beat, tortured, arrested, and mocked them? Simple. The overwhelming majority of women were not beaten, torture, arrested, and mocked, and the overwhelming majority of all the people who were beaten, tortured, arrested, and mocked, were men. I agree that some some absolutely were beaten, t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 03:34 AM |
| 5 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.You asked me why I asked if patriarchy was to blame for men being stronger. I gave you the reason. I am happy to hear that you don't think men and women are identical blank slates until socialization differentiates them, but if you recognize and acknowledge there are very real differences between men and women that are not due to socialization, why are you constantly and consistently ignoring that one reason that women don't like emotional vulnerability in men might be due to biology? I said exp… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 03:23 AM |
| 14 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.I think feminists make a huge mistake talking about patriarchy as something people built or doing the "who created that system?" thing. Patriarchy developed as society developed, as we started passing down assets. There wasn't a plan or a secret meeting. I mean feminism took the Marxist class war of proletariat vs bourgeoisie and seizing the means of production, and recast it as though you can swap gender and class, and instead feminism has the gender war of women vs men and seizing the means of… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 03:02 AM |
| 8 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.I donate specifically to causes that help men and then one that help women. This is absolutely a good thing and I commend you for it! The problem is you are the exception, not the rule. Most women donate more to women's causes than men's causes and also demand men donate more to women's causes than men's causes. You are doing great and if more women in society were like you it would help immensely! The problem is that most women aren't like you. I know women's issues often involve children and I… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 02:52 AM |
| 10 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.Now we just need to say it loud and often enough to get the other 95% of women to recognize this. I am glad you are willing to stand up for men, hopefully this is the start of the change we need to see. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 02:36 AM |
| 9 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.Therapy is a field dominated by women perhaps, but psychology is not. lol https://www.statista.com/statistics/963476/percentage-of-women-among-psychologists-us/ Women make up 70% of psychologists in the US, and outnumber men in psychology in every country in Europe. Have you been broken up with for crying? I’d like to hear that story. I haven't but there are plenty of other stories out there. I broke up with my ex after a 7 year relationship that turned controlling, toxic, and abusive, except I … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 02:34 AM |
| 12 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.Because women and men are not identical blank slates until and unless society imposes gender roles on them, there are very relevant an very significant biological differences between the sexes, and we can't just pretend those very real biological differences don't exist or font matter. Asking if patriarchy is to blame for men being stronger than women points out how "the patriarchy" can't be blamed for obvious and real physical differences between the sexes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 02:11 AM |
| 10 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.No, men are the ones obsessed with women’s virtue. You’re just describing male ideas about femininity. It’s wrong, but it’s not an idea that came from women, it’s the patriarchal traditional expectation. I mean except for the fact feminism treats women like women are inherently more moral and emotionally more competent than men, while treating men like emotionally defective women who need to be fixed. It's a patriarchal traditional expectation, but feminism is quite glad to keep whichever of tho… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 02:07 AM |
| 13 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.This is not true. Women beg and plead for men to be emotional, act considerately, be honest and affectionate. And then when men DO open up there's a 50% chance they get dumped. That's kind of a big problem you're completely ignoring there. They drag them to therapy and social gatherings and romantic comedies and try so hard to get any emotional engagement from the men in their lives at all. Therapy based on female psyche and in a field dominated by women that often as not treats men like emotion… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 01:27 AM |
| – | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.Society didn't protect or help those women. It very much did. Privilege is invisible to those who benefit from it, and protection from harm is absolutely a privilege women enjoy far far more than men. I'm not saying women never faced any issues. I'm just saying whatever issues you believe that women faced, and they did, men faced 10x worse. It's not that women always had easy lives. It's just that as hard as women's lives were, men's lives were generally worse, because men were generally seen as… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 01:23 AM |
| 9 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.Do you think the patriarchy is to blame for the notion that men are physically stronger than women? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 01:17 AM |
| 21 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.I mean it would be nice if we could tell feminism that, because feminism absolutely sees it as wrong that men refuse to cry and focus on problem solving. Would be nice if we could get feminism to stop treating men like men are defective women that need to be fixed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 01:16 AM |
| 11 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.Do you think the patriarchy is also to blame for the notion that men are physically stronger than women? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 01:15 AM |
| 18 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.What do we call a system that teaches men they’re weak if they’re emotional and teaches women that emotional men are unattractive? We call that system "the female sex drive". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 01:12 AM |
| 31 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.Women are taught to see emotional vulnerability in men as less desirable. Remove "are taught to" and you nailed it. As a society we are busy telling men to open up emotionally to women without ever bothering to make it SAFE for men to open up and make themselves emotionally vulnerable with women. The people who punish emotional vulnerability in men the most are women, not men. And even if we blame "the patriarchy" for this, feminism is in no hurry to try and change this and tell women to do bett… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 01:10 AM |
| 20 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.I think you've listened to too many internet feminists to boil down patriarchy to "men". That's literally the logical consequence of the feminist beliefs, no matter how much flowery language they wrap it up in. Either the patriarchy was built by men or by women, and why would women ever build a system that oppresses them? Therefore the patriarchy is ultimately the fault of men, or the fault of the men who brainwashed women to work against their own best interests (internalized misogyny). It's no… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 01:02 AM |
| 14 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.So men are too busy but women won't help you with your problems? Correct. A few individual women who know the man and care about him might, but the overwhelming majority of women don't give a damn about men or men's issues, while demanding men care about the overwhelming majority of women and care about women's issues. Women are not too busy? We are ... just not willing to help? Correct. Women will say men face issues, but women face more issues, more serious issues, and more pressing issues, so… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 12:59 AM |
| – | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.You're not wrong, but you missed the part where society cares 10x more about protecting and helping women than men. You're showing a perfect example of the lack of empathy endemic in how society views men. "Feminists went through all that suffering, so man up and go through the exact same suffering without any help, support, or empathy". You are proving OP right and your attitude is part of the problem. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 12:50 AM |
| 2 | Men and women do not live the same lifeYou know I think I completely misunderstood you, sorry about that! You wrote that the problem is that what is being described is not the experience of the average man. I misread that as "the problem is caused by the average man", as though the man is the problem, and is not the victim. Sorry about that! I can agree with you that what is described is not the experience of 50%+ of men, and is something that happens significantly more to below average men than to average men. I think the point was … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/26 05:44 PM |
| 1 | Men and women do not live the same lifeEDIT: I has completely misread this comment, and read it as "the average man is the problem" and not "you are not describing the average man" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/26 03:58 PM |
| 6 | Is an average woman dating an average man considered "settling?"The problem is that generally, "romantic love" is beautiful and wonderful for the woman, but it is a performance and an expense for men. Romance is almost entirely unidirectional in the woman's benefit, so why should we expect men to endlessly give of their time, money and effort and get very little in return? If romance provided some kind of benefit to men I'm sure men would love to be romantic a lot more, but as it stands romance is treated like it is and should be entirely to women's benefit … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/26 01:08 PM |
| 7 | Is an average woman dating an average man considered "settling?"See it's not that we can't give each other what the other truly desires in an honest way. I think we absolutely can do that in an honest way. We can't get it perfectly right and we can't all get exactly what we want in precisely the perfect way we want it, but we can and should honestly make an effort to make one another happy. I disagree with the "women should give men sex as much as he wants, it's her duty no matter what", but the above is the exact same attitude but gender flipped, it's "men … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/26 01:01 PM |
| 26 | Is an average woman dating an average man considered "settling?"Women care about the behavior they aren’t splitting hairs over a man who acts chivalrous and a man who feels chivalrous. So those women don't care how those men feel so long as the woman gets the behaviour she wants out of him. And somehow this is good??? If you want women to do an action( sex whatever) despite how they are feeling then say that And when men say that they're called misogynistic women hating incels and they're not entitled to women's bodies, if they want women to have sex then th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/06/26 06:16 PM |
| 27 | Is an average woman dating an average man considered "settling?"I mean sure men don't desire to be romantic like that. They just don't. So what do women want men to do? Do women want men to pretend to be romantic and act chivalrous anyways? Is this just an unrealistic expectation women have? It's an odd double standard in society, that we believe women are perfect as they are and they don't need to do anything for men, but that men constantly need to improve and do better for women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/06/26 12:30 PM |
| 16 | Is an average woman dating an average man considered "settling?"Men are just not very resilient and they have a victim mentality. Can you imagine a man saying this about women who write that they want to kill themselves, that women are just not very resilient and that women have a victim mentality? The lack of empathy is staggering. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/06/26 12:27 PM |
| 3 | You can't effectively fight feminism without harming interests of womenSo essentially, if you want to fight against feminism, you need to make them more trouble then they are worth for women. You had me right up until this bit So you need to fight directly against women's rights. Like abortion, birth control etc. in retaliation for feminists working against mens interests. And then you lost me. It does not follow that you need to fight against women's rights. You shouldn't fight against women's rights. It's a losing proposition. It's not even necessary. You can jus… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/06/26 05:49 PM |
| 15 | If we are going to save modern dating, men need to experience an ego death in mass.I literally said men who go their own way as such “claim” to be incels That's not what incel means. Incel is litearlly "involuntary celibate", if someone is going their own way it is voluntary. If anything they would claim to be volcels, not incels. because they cannot get sex thus are forced to MGTOW I mean there are men who go MGTOW as a way to basically say "you can't fire me I quit" but there are quite a few men who also quit BECAUSE they have been with a lot of women, and most of those wome… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/06/26 11:01 PM |
| 19 | If we are going to save modern dating, men need to experience an ego death in mass.Funny that because when men do go their own way they're called misogynistic and toxic and sexist and they need to be shut down. Odd game of "heads she wins, tails he loses", men can't win no matter what they do, except the only way for men to win is to do what women tell men to do. Funny that the reverse would never be accepted in society, but having women tell men what to do is not just acepted but heavily encouraged. Odd double standard. We are telling these men we do not want them and yet the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/06/26 10:59 PM |
| 8 | If we are going to save modern dating, men need to experience an ego death in mass.I, in fact, earned more than my husband, by a significant amount our entire marriage (35+ years), in fact he did a SAHD gig, twice; pragmatically, it made more sense for him to stay at home while I went back to work in 2 out of my 4 pregnancies less than a week after giving birth. Also he retired early, at 56, 7 years ago. I retired early, at 57, 2 years ago. He is also only, as he jokes, "5’ 8" in high heels". I am 5’6" for reference. And that is a valid data point in a way. Studies show that w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/06/26 10:56 PM |
| 7 | If we are going to save modern dating, men need to experience an ego death in mass.Women is my orbit do not speak about money/provider/height and the myriad of other projections from men. How many of them are partnered with men who are poorer, shorter, and have less prestigious/ambitious jobs or jobs that have a lower career growth? It's easy to talk the talk, that's why you have to watch what people do, not what they say. And overwhelmingly, women find men who are taller and richer to be more attractive than men who are shorter and poorer, all else being equal. Don't blame me… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/06/26 09:12 PM |
| 11 | If we are going to save modern dating, men need to experience an ego death in mass.Most modern working men I know are ALSO working full time jobs (and far more men than women wkek overtime and travel longer distances to work) to support their wives with the ever increasing cost of living, while juggling domestic work and having/raising children as well. Welcome to equality. This is what women asked for. For some reason you seem to be looking at all the efforts women do as a herculean task, while completely ignoring and dismissing all the efforts men do. Treating equality like … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/06/26 09:07 PM |
| 18 | If we are going to save modern dating, men need to experience an ego death in mass.So you're saying men have to do all these things to now "earn" women's love. What do women have to do in return for the man? How come women get all the benefits and don't have to change one bit, while men have to do all the work and change for women but receive no benefits? Surely you can see how that's a horribly one-sided deal? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/06/26 08:58 PM |
| 16 | If we are going to save modern dating, men need to experience an ego death in mass.And yet women basically use it as an insult to dismiss men and get them to shut up. For example, by calling a married man with kids an incel simply because she doesn't like or agree with what he's saying. Incel used to be more of a self identifying thing, now it's an insult thrown around by women so easily and frequently it just basically becomes "I'll call anyone who I disagree with an incel as a way to shake and dismiss them and what they say". That's not men's fault. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/06/26 08:56 PM |
| 3 | I noticed that many people are performative progressivesThat said, if you want my queer woman perspective, the “tomboys” men say they have no problem dating aren’t really masc at all—they have long/feminine hair, high voices, feminine mannerisms, shave in all the “woman” places, and wear exclusively women’s clothes. Theyre just regular feminine women with “boy” interests, Well yeah? When guys want to date tomboys, they don't want to date another guy. If they did they'd be gay. A tomboy is pretty much a woman (preferably attractive because duh) who sh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/06/26 05:51 AM |
| 2 | If women treat sex as a reward, men should treat his money as a reward.I mean I understand that, and dating apps are based on pretty much looks above all else, but even finding a guy who is witty, kind, intelligent, and humorous is still top 40%. And what you find witty and kind may be completely different from what another woman might find witty and kind. The other problem is that for men, asking women out is difficult and risky, courting women is time consuming and expensive, and more often than not it leads to not having a match. If men are supposed to front loa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/05/26 01:37 AM |
| 2 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”Well see it's clear to you from my comments, because you don't agree with me, so you think I must be wrong. You don't seem to care to engage with any of my arguments, instead of just pretending none of men's issues matter while demanding men care more about women's issues. It's clear to you because you don't care about the truth, you just care to have men agree with what you feel. Yes, I can describe those problems, and I can do you one better. I can give women the solution that will eliminate t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 06:07 PM |
| 2 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”Oh no I very much do. Just because I don't agree with everything you say, doesn't mean I don't understand. You telling me I don't understand feminism feels a bit like a creationist telling me I don't understand evolution, or else I would be a creationist like them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 05:04 PM |
| 5 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”I literally gender flipped your words and repeated them back at you. I know you don't believe that at all, I'm just pointing out how crazy you sound. I'm just holding up a mirror. If you don't like what you see in it that's not my fault. You're the one who started with fanfiction, don't get upset when I call you out on it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 04:21 PM |
| 2 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”Y'all act like women don't have agency. Why on earth should women care or help men who aren't having sex as frequently as those men wish? Why is that women's problem to solve? Never said anything about sex, why do you keep ignoring all the other valid problems and keep bringing it back to sex? Do you understand what feminism is? Because it doesn't sound like it. If I call myself a pacifist, but I punch everyone in the face who disagrees with me, will you believe my words or my actions? I see the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 03:45 PM |
| 6 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”Right, saying men ain't shit, men are rapists and abusers, and constantly erasing and dismissing male rape victims and male abuse victims, isn't throwing men under the bus. You keep telling yourself that. Y'all at just making up stories and expecting us to believe nonsense. Ohey look at that when men say women are making up stories and women expect men to believe nonsense, men are told to #believewomen and to believe women's lived experiences. But the moment women say men are making up stories a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 03:41 PM |
| 2 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”How did you jump to "men have no agency"? I have no idea how you got there. And yes, women will largely refuse to date or have sex with a man she's not interested in. And women will also apparently refuse to care about, have any empathy or sympathy for, or help men, while demanding men have endless empathy and sympathy for women and endlessly bend over backwards to help women. Not asking women to fuck random men, but you do understand that treating equality like a one way adtreet exclusively to … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 03:06 PM |
| 5 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”Right, so what do you think is a more reasonable number of men we're willing to throw under the bus to get at the one problematic dude? 10? 50? 100? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 03:03 PM |
| 1 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”That's because standing up to other men poses a risk to the man. It's asking a man puts himself in danger for the sake of women, while completely ignoring the danger that man faces, and telling him he's not entitled to any recognition or reward for facing those risks, because it is simply "the right thing to do". I am being hugely hyperbolic here or course, but imagine telling men that they should go to war because its the right thing to do, but that they're not entitled to any extra pay, recogn… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 02:58 PM |
| 1 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”Standing up for yourself as a man means standing up to feminism, and standing up to feminism means you must be a misogynist by default. Standing up against men isn't misogynistic if it's standing up against men for the benefit of women, but the moment a man stands up for himself and for other men in any way feminism doesn't approve of that is immediately reinforcing the patriarchy or toxic masculinity or a half dozen other labels feminism has for men who don't toe the line. It's funny how men st… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 02:31 PM |
| 4 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”Should I ask you to name every single man who has ever been sexist to you, and if you can't name them then it must mean sexism isn't a problem? I can't give you the names and academic credentials of every feminist I have talked to, but I can give you some problematic quotes and examples from important feminist figures and feminists in charge of important programs. There is Clementine Ford who said covid isn't killing men fast enough. There is Sally Miller Gearhart saying men must be reduced to 1… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 02:25 PM |
| 2 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”I mean the "men as a class" meme needs to die in the first place because men are NOT a class. It's basically feminism copying Marxism, but substituting the class struggle of the bourgeoisie vs the proletariat and seizing the means of production, with the gender struggle of women vs men and seizing the means of REproduction. Sounds neat, but treating gender as a class fails and falls apart under any close scrutiny and yet feminism has been propping up that Frankensteinesque concept for decades. B… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 02:01 PM |
| 1 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”Oh yeah completely agree, it is violence by proxy. It's kind of funny how feminism and women who claim to be so afraid of violence and who claim to dislike violence so much, are so eager to turn to violence by proxy and get men to be violent on their behalf and get men to deal with and solve women and feminists problems for them. And then when men ask for women's help to deal with men's problems, the same way women demand men help women with women's problem, then the women turn around and say th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 01:47 PM |
| 2 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”My issue is this. If these people are really that much of a danger to you and other men, why wouldn't yall stand up for yourselves as well? Because men standing up for themselves is seen as sexist and misogynistic and oppressing women. So you don't stand up for yourself and you get endless shit from feminism for being part of the problem and not doing enough, and if you do stand up for yourself you're proof of toxic masculinity and you're sexist and misogynistic and you're not doing enough to he… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 01:22 PM |
| 6 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”Oh I completely agree, throwing 200 men under the bus to get at the one problematic guy is totally acceptable, because male victims don't real you see, men have all the power and privilege anyways so it doesn't really hurt men, and if a man feels hurt by this then clearly it's his fault and he must be part of the problem, and men have oppressed women for thousands of years so payback is justified anyways. It's funny how closely that mentality matches up with the narcissists prayer. That didn't h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 01:16 PM |
| 3 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”Blame the feminists, I came to these conclusions by talking with them and looking at the difference between their words and their actions. If I call myself a pacifist but I punch in the face everyone who disagrees with me, will you believe my words or my actions? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 01:10 PM |
| 4 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”You tell me then, who set up the patriarchy? I have talked to people. I saw the difference between how they define the patriarchy, vs how the term is actually used. It's like saying I call myself a pacifist, but that I punch in the face anyone who disagrees with me. Will you believe my words or my actions? You're too online. The pipeline already has it claws in you. Ironically that pipeline came about from talking with feminists. It's like when the left calls it the alt right pipeline that is su… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 01:09 PM |
| 9 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”The problem with the patriarchy is that it is unfalsifiable, it is everywhere and nowhere, it is responsible for everything and it's opposite, and we can never truly know when we've left it behind, precisely because it can never be defined. In as much as feminism uses the term patriarchy it is unscientific and unfalsifiable, and in as much as sociology uses the term patriarchy it has nothing to do with the feminist concept of it. Saying that men are hurt by the patriarchy is problematic, because… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 05:40 AM |
| 7 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”Funny you should say that because men are significantly less likely to hit random women than to hit random men, so random men are far more at risk of violence from other random men. And yet somehow that's never taken into account when women demand men put themselves in danger to the benefit of women, while women largely refuse to do anything for the benefit of men. Bit of a double standard isn't it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 05:30 AM |
| 8 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”For some reason women demand and expect men to bend over backwards to make the world a better place for women, but the moment men ask for help, women turn around and say men aren't entitled to an ounce of empathy, sympathy, or help from women. I'm all for equality and making the world a better place. The problem is most women and feminism seem to treat equality like a one-way street exclusively to the benefit of women, and often at the expense of men. There's doing the right thing, and then ther… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 05:29 AM |
| – | "Liberal feminism" subsidizes extremism, claiming that feminism wants equality is fraudulent, and if you associate all men with violence, you are hypocriticalOh shoot sorry, I didn't notice! They do, of course, but so do all other people at some point. Tribalism is like that. That’s why we are supposed to use our big wrinkly brains to compensate for our baser inclinations. Completely agree. There's a huge tribalism problem within feminism, with people actively encouraged to post shit like "white people start genocides" and that kind of shit does not get called out from within feminist circles. Agree we ned to use our big wrinkly brains to compensate … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 02:55 AM |
| – | "Liberal feminism" subsidizes extremism, claiming that feminism wants equality is fraudulent, and if you associate all men with violence, you are hypocriticalWomen aren’t voting to actively castrate men, And men aren't voting to castrate or sterilize women either, I'm glad we agree! it’s a handful of morons on social media. The problem is that this handful of morons are in fact heads of academia who claim that "Although consideration of male victims is within the scope of the legal statutes, it is important to restrict the term rape to instances where male victims were penetrated by offenders. It is inappropriate to consider as a rape victim a man wh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 01:15 AM |
| – | "Liberal feminism" subsidizes extremism, claiming that feminism wants equality is fraudulent, and if you associate all men with violence, you are hypocriticalYou're the one who blamed white people by saying white people started genocide after genocide. The newborn baby is a white person, so by your own logic and your own statements the newborn white baby is also responsible for starting genocide after genocide. Exploiting that privilege and continuing to perpetuate it at the expense of others once he is an adult and responsible for his own choices does make him complicit. Ah cool, so now we have gone from "white people are guilty by association simpl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 01:07 AM |
| – | "Liberal feminism" subsidizes extremism, claiming that feminism wants equality is fraudulent, and if you associate all men with violence, you are hypocriticalBlack people commit crimes AS WELL AS* white people. You make it sound like all crimes are caused by black people. The thing you are ignoring is that black people in America are committing disproportionately more crimes than white people. We can talk about why that is, whether it's poverty or oppression or whatever, but you can't argue against the fsct that black people commit significantly more crimes than white people proportionally. Also no black person has ordered the annihilation of people … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 12:48 AM |
| – | "Liberal feminism" subsidizes extremism, claiming that feminism wants equality is fraudulent, and if you associate all men with violence, you are hypocriticalEeh, when the group members "sin" they get excommunicated and get called "not a real feminist", retroactively erasing their past membership and retroactively removing the in group protection. Feminists generally don't judge feminists on their in group, they cast them into the out group first to justify the judgement. Much as they like to complain about men, women tend to be far more tribalistic than men in this sense, and once someone in the in group has sinned and is part of the out group, then… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/26 10:42 PM |
| – | "Liberal feminism" subsidizes extremism, claiming that feminism wants equality is fraudulent, and if you associate all men with violence, you are hypocriticalDid the baby boy born last week commit crimes? Is the week old baby boy guilty and morally responsive for genocides and world wars? I'm just pointing out the conclusion of your own logic to you. I'm just holding up a mirror. It's not my fault you don't like what you see in it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/26 10:38 PM |
| 14 | "Liberal feminism" subsidizes extremism, claiming that feminism wants equality is fraudulent, and if you associate all men with violence, you are hypocriticalSo you think that a baby boy born last week is guilty and morally responsible for genocides and world wars, just because he's white and male? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/26 05:54 PM |
| 5 | "Liberal feminism" subsidizes extremism, claiming that feminism wants equality is fraudulent, and if you associate all men with violence, you are hypocriticalThey don't forget it, they only apply it against the groups they don't like or aren't a part of. When it's bad apples within their own group all of a sudden its not a problem and they use the exact same excuses they claim are invalid when the other groups use them. If all cops are basterds because a few are rotten, then so are all feminists hypocrites because a few are. The answer should always be "yes we need to call out and hold accountable the people who do wrong" but tribalism gets in the wa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/26 05:53 PM |
| 3 | If women treat sex as a reward, men should treat his money as a reward.It's been my experience that half the leftist women have deconstructed it, and the other half have used leftist ideas to rationalize the gender roles they want to impose on men and reinforce it. How many feminists agreed with the notion that men profited from women for so long that its only right men pay for dates? That men earn more so they should pay? That it's akin to reparations? It's certainly not all leftist women, but that kind of double standard is absolutely rampant in leftist circles a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/26 03:52 PM |
| 10 | If women treat sex as a reward, men should treat his money as a reward.Fair, top 30%. So what are the other 70% supposed to do? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/26 07:02 AM |
| 5 | If women treat sex as a reward, men should treat his money as a reward.Any woman who uses the word “provision” when talking about a man is conservative The problem is that many women don't use that word specifically but absolutely have conservative expectations for men's role, while refusing to fulfill conservative expectations for women's role. A ton of feminists still expect men to pay on dates for example. conservative women usually don’t really like men. They think of men as spiritually and morally beneath them, like dogs Ironically, in my experience that descr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/26 07:00 AM |
| 10 | If women treat sex as a reward, men should treat his money as a reward.I mean yes but what are the other 90% of men supposed to do? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/26 06:56 AM |
| 1 | Women have ruined cold approachingWhich part is not true, that men are 4x more likely to get murdered? Not true that fearmongering doesn't help? Not true that people who want you to be afraid are not your friends? I mean I can't stop you from clinging to your fear and clinging to a delusion of persecution, but that's not really healthy and you should probably stop doing that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/26 06:42 AM |
| 2 | Women have ruined cold approachingAnd yet as a woman you are 4x less likely to get murdered than the man who is cold approaching you. We have to stop this catastrophizing and fear-mongering. Making women terrified of being murdered for daring to stand up to a man in public helps nobody. It's just as unrealistic as men being terrified of being falsely accused of rape. People who want you to be afraid are not your friends. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/26 04:26 AM |
| 2 | Women have ruined cold approachingI mean you can but debating them doesn't mean they'll do what you want. I do agree that cold approaching where someone can't walk away is not a cool move at all. Per being annoying and not wanting to escalate the situation, I mean you can be annoying to the guy, he earned it, and you can escalate it or just tell him to fuck off and ignore him completely. I absolutely agree that it's certainly not cool and it absolutely should change. But changing the problem means we need to understand it and ta… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/26 12:21 AM |
| 4 | Women have ruined cold approachingI actually kind of enjoy debating them and seeing how quickly I can throw them off the script. I used to argue religion and philosophy in university. I also frequently get basically evangelical feminist emails at my work email. In contrast I hope you will be able to empathize with people whose opinion differs from yours. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/26 12:00 AM |
| 2 | Women have ruined cold approachingIt's called existing in public. Nobody is entitled to having nobody approach them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/05/26 05:31 PM |
| – | I genuinely think men’s preferences and standards are shamedBut to simply say "I want other people to change so I don't have to and I'm upset about it" that's whining. Very fair, but why does "where have all the good men gone" whining get applauded and validated, while "the juice isn't worth the squeeze" gets shouted down and dismissed? I hear you on whining VS venting, but again, women whining about men gets significant support while men whining about women gets called misogynistic and gets shut down. I understand and agree with your definition but that… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/05/26 01:03 PM |
| – | Men and Women Often Fear Opposite Forms of RejectionNot just that they don't get access, but that women then get upset at him and demand that he makes it up to her and even if he does he s still not "rewarded" with any of the benefits of friendship, it's a "make it up to me, always and forever, or else you lose the chance that maybe potentially in the future you might get something that you want". Demanding he does everything for her wants and desires and appease her, while his wants and desires are not only unfulfilled but get deemed unimportant… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/05/26 05:57 PM |
| – | Men and Women Often Fear Opposite Forms of RejectionI agree with you. The problem is women often punish the men who are honest with her. If we want men to be honest and open and vulnerable, then women have to be accepting of men being honest and open and vulnerable. We can't expect men to be honest and open and vulnerable with women, then for women to punish men for being open, honest, and vulnerable, and expect those men to continue being open and honest and vulnerable despite the continuous punishment. There's an odd double standard where women… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/05/26 03:53 PM |
| – | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolFeminism came about because women didn't have the right to vote, or even have their own bank account. Fair enough, but now women have both, and yet feminism is still around constantly pushing for more for women, while constantly erasing, invalidating, and dismissing men's issues and male victims. Feminism may have started with the best of intentions, but as it now stands, feminism treats equality like a one-way street exclusively to women's benefit, and that's not really equality at all now is i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/05/26 02:29 AM |
| – | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolWell yeah, but that doesn't help when there's a ton of people who are determined to dump a cesspool around you, no matter where you go, just because you happened to be born a man. You can ignore them and walk away from them, but they'll keep dumping a cesspool on your head, while calling you toxic and misogynistic and violent for daring to speak back at them while they dump a cesspool on you. So then what? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/05/26 02:13 AM |
| – | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolI've been in these kinds of debates for too long, it helps to be able to spot the double standards and hypocrisy that pops up over and over and over again, no matter how well camouflaged it is with bullshit language. It's so tiring to see the same bullshit over and over and over again, I'm just going to bluntly call it out and point it out now. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/05/26 02:11 AM |
| – | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolIt's really sad that disrespect and cruelty have become wildly normalized, especially online. Unfortunately disrespect and cruelty towards men has kind of been part of feminism since the very beginning. Erin Pizzey opened the first ever shelter for women victim of domestic abuse in London in 1971, and was rightfully praised as a champion for it. The problem is that a few years later she rightfully asserted that much of domestic abuse was reciprocal, and that women were just as likely to be viole… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/05/26 02:10 AM |
| – | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolAnd hey it sounds like you have great friends. They continue to dare and give men chances, the men they choose. Most women don't wish to hurt men in general, just don't care about men in general. My lived experience is that women generally have no idea what men's issues are and generally aren't receptive to learning, because it goes against the constant feminist narrative that women have all the issues and men have none. If women did care about men's issues half as much as they cared about women… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/05/26 01:59 AM |
| – | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolThanks, I try! And yeah I don't wish the backswing to hit reasonable women either, but that's kind of the thing with these wide-sweeping changes, innocent people get caught up in it when they're part of the group that has benefited from the privilege for so long. If they don't want to get hit by the backswing they have to get out of the way of it by distancing themselves from the unreasonable women who have earned that backswing, but most women won't because they don't even know they have to, an… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/05/26 01:56 AM |
| – | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolWhat do you think might be driving those statistics and attitudes? Could it be that those women have been harmed emotionally or sexually by men, sometimes by respected elders, even their own fathers. Right, the 7% of men under 30 in the UK who have a very negative view of women are generalizing and blaming innocent women for the few bad apples, every one of those women-hating men are horrible misogynistic woman-hating incels. On the other hand the 21% of women under 30 in the UK who have a very … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/05/26 01:41 AM |
| – | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolWomen don't want to make things worse for the men they know and care about. The other 90% of men? Most women don't give a shit. After all, men are rapists and abusers and have all the power and privilege right? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/05/26 12:27 AM |
| 2 | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolWell yes, but the part that is annoyed by men's behaviour largely has control of HR departments, has a stranglehold on virtually all universities in the West, has a stranglehold on half the politicians in the West and arguably most of the politicians in Europe, and has an office in the UN dedicated to listening to and addressing that part of society annoyed by men's behaviour. Meanwhile the part that dislikes women's behaviour is largely disorganized, does not hand a multi billion dollar interna… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/05/26 01:28 PM |
| 2 | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolWould be, if society wasn't so hell-bent on telling men they're horrible misogynistic woman-hating incels for daring to ask women out. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/05/26 05:37 AM |
| 1 | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolI agree that it's not hate to not want to be bothered by strangers. The problem is that it isn't a right either. If someone doesn't want to be bothered by strangers, then one ought to stay home and never go out in public spaces. If one goes out in public spaces, then one might be bothered by strangers whether one likes it or not. Often it's anxiety of not feeling comfortable saying no so you prefer they never approach to begin with. And that's the problem of the anxious person, it's not everyone… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/05/26 02:12 AM |
| 2 | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolIt's not that wanting to not be approached by men is hate. It's that men do something women don't like it is hate and a problem and society needs to bend over backwards to fix the issue, but when it's that women do something men don't like then men just gotta grow a tougher skin and deal with it. It's a pretty big double standard. When people approach you in the street asking for something and you don't say yes does that mean you hate them? No, but for some reason men not approaching women, not … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/26 11:35 PM |
| 2 | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolHalf the time, as in young women are asking young men out as often as the other way around? Are you in Europe by any chance? even my teenager expects to put equal effort into date planning with her young man Certainly a good and healthy attitude to have! The young professionals seem to all spend a fair bit of time talking up eachother's ideas, in a mixed gender group. I mean I don't go out with them to watch it happen, but as they speak to eachother the assumptions are not how this is being repr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/26 08:29 PM |
| 22 | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolThe irony is that women clearly recognize and understand that it is a problem when men are apathetic to or hostile to women. They know it's a problem. But when women do the same to men all of a sudden there's a billion excuses for why it's different or it doesn't matter. The sad reality is still that men simp for the average women far more than the other way around, so most women are still shielded from the consequences of their active hostility and hatred of men. It's really funny too, a survey… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/26 08:26 PM |
| 2 | Woman of Reddit. What is your usual response or reaction when you hear guys say "Women are too much work"?I know it’s not, lol. I don't know if you were being deliberately obtuse, but just in case, let me spell it out for you. As a white man I largely won't experience racism, so saying I don't see racism doesn't in any way mean racism has stopped. As a woman you largely won't experience the issues men face, so as a woman saying you don't face the issues men face doesn't in any way mean the issues men face don't exist. Likewise Right, I'm so privileged because in pointing out how bad your arguments a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/26 08:10 PM |
| 7 | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolI just don't see this in real life. Neat, I'm a white man and I don't see racism in real life, problem solved! Or hang back with a wink and let the woman suggest a date. And how often do the women suggest a date? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/26 08:06 PM |
| 17 | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolFunny how women fight like hell against any gender roles society imposes on them, and then women are happy to turn around and slam those self same gender roles on men whenever it's convenient for women. Gotta love those double standards. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/26 07:17 PM |
| 19 | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolOp is just pointing out how women are shooting themselves in the foot. And then blaming men for it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/26 07:15 PM |
| 28 | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolYou are entirely correct. The problem is most women don't give a fuck about making things worse for men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/26 07:13 PM |
| 2 | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolI wonder where all that attitude was when it comes to misogyny. When it affects women it's wrong and evil and society needs to fix this, when it happens to men it's man up and take it on the chin and pull yourself up harder by your own bootstraps you pussy. Gotta love the double standards. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/26 07:13 PM |
| 0 | Woman of Reddit. What is your usual response or reaction when you hear guys say "Women are too much work"?Ah well see as a white men j never experience racism, so it's not a problem for me lol. I don't think you understand just how privileged and hypocritical you sound. I date men and women, women are very easy to date. I have no idea why y’all have so much trouble. You have no idea probably because you don't care. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/26 07:11 PM |
| 0 | Woman of Reddit. What is your usual response or reaction when you hear guys say "Women are too much work"?Before you ask, NO - I do not ask men out. Do you understand you kinda proved his point about how women have different standards for men than for women? "I treat men and women the same. Except if they're men I don't ask them out and therefore I expect men to pay but not women." Both sentences cannot be true at the same time. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/26 05:19 PM |
| 1 | Woman of Reddit. What is your usual response or reaction when you hear guys say "Women are too much work"?My point remains - women are easy to date. Not too much trouble at all. According to women. And that's kinda the problem isn't it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/26 05:17 PM |
| 2 | Woman of Reddit. What is your usual response or reaction when you hear guys say "Women are too much work"?It kinda reads very much as "well fine I didn't care about you anyways/you can't fire me I quit". Most women don't seem to see how the two are logically contradictory, because emotionally those two situations are different. Where are all the good men = men are bad and failing and reinforces the narrative of female victimhood that gives women power, and Men find women too much work = men are bad and failing and low value, and women know their worth and won't settle for low value males, reinforcin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/26 05:16 PM |
| 1 | Woman of Reddit. What is your usual response or reaction when you hear guys say "Women are too much work"?So from the male side it can feel like, “they see the frustration but have no incentive to care.” That is usually where the resentment comes from. Women also generally demand that men care endlesslly about any and all of women's issues, while women themselves absolve themselves completely of ever having to care about any of men's issues and say men aren't entitled to an ounce of help empathy or sympathy from women. Gotta love to see how so many women gladly treat equality like a one way street e… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/26 05:11 PM |
| 2 | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolYou kinda made my argument better than I could haha. People who hate stuff one uses or enjoys will have an impact on one's life. We can ignore the haters, but the consequences of the hater's actions will affect us regardless. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/26 04:41 PM |
| 8 | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolWell yes, and "people I'm attracted to = good" is a moral conclusion. That's kind of the problem. It's an erroneous conclusion because attractive people can be horrible, and unattractive people can be kind and generous. These mistaken moral conclusions about moral worth of attractive people causes real harm, and ignoring it won't make it go away. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/26 07:23 AM |
| 9 | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolI mean it is vapid and hollow, but that's kinda like saying "just ignore the people who actively advocate for the worst political candidates". You can ignore the people, but that just kinda lets the problem perpetuate itself. You should take as much stock in women moralizing attraction as you should take stock in the statement "bread is evil" I mean people who think bread is evil generally don't generate hate speech and try and pass laws against men... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/26 05:51 AM |
| 16 | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolOh completely agree. It's just kinda funny and frustrating to see someone lying to themselves, catch them in their lie, point out how they are lying to themselves, and then they go and deny it anyways. Those kinds of people are not worth engaging with for sure, it's just surprising and frustrating how many of them there are, especially in feminist circles. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/05/26 11:41 PM |
| 29 | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolDon't moralize attraction. It's often times irrelevant. You're not wrong but women frequently moralize attraction enormously. Not all women, not all the time, but it's certainly fair game to point out the double standards and hypocrisy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/05/26 11:11 PM |
| – | Women don't have life "Easier" than menStatistically speaking do those medical issues counteract the fact you'd be 4x more likely to get murdered and 4x more likely to kill yourself? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/05/26 09:00 PM |
| 6 | We need to stop the men vs women framing. It's toxic and pointless.Right, then which men exactly are doing the oppressing, and why are we saying it is "men" doing the oppressing, rather than rich and powerful men? Why are we blaming all of men for something a minority of men are doing? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/05/26 04:00 AM |
| 5 | We need to stop the men vs women framing. It's toxic and pointless.Because it's not the truth. You think a disabled PTSD homeless vet is oppressing Kamala Harris? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/05/26 03:53 AM |
| – | Redpillers… are y’all so jaded that being liked is not enough?Red pill pretend women behave like men, by pointing out how women do not behave like men? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/26 10:44 PM |
| – | Redpillers… are y’all so jaded that being liked is not enough?Oh sorry I understood like dates with different people. No I took her out on multiple dates, inexpensive as they were because we were both broke students. I still overall was the one to take her on dates and pay for stuff for her, though she did give gifts in exchange since gift giving was her love language. The thing is though women are freely encouraged to feel entitled to be taken on dates and expensive dates, while men are told they're not entitled to anything from women, not even gifts in r… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/26 08:03 PM |
| – | Redpillers… are y’all so jaded that being liked is not enough?3, but part of that was also because I got in a 7 year relationship that turned controlling, toxic, and abusive, and I'm still trying to fix the damage from that years later. The thing I love though is that it's not just my personal experience, it's the lived experience of men. Men talk about this stuff all the time, it's not hidden or secret. Do you accept that men's lived experiences are just as valid and valuable as women's lived experiences? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/26 07:51 PM |
| – | Redpillers… are y’all so jaded that being liked is not enough?And you don't think women are whiny? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/26 07:49 PM |
| – | Redpillers… are y’all so jaded that being liked is not enough?The entire premise of red pill is that women DO NOT think like men, and that women do not think like how mainstream society and blue pill portray it. If red pill thought women thought like men then red pill wouldn't say that she's not yours it's just your turn. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/26 07:46 PM |
| – | Redpillers… are y’all so jaded that being liked is not enough?Now imagine being dumped constantly without even having the pleasure of being pumped first. That's the male experience. That's why pumped and dumped is a step above being dumped. The male equivalent to being pumped and dumped is putting all the effort for dates, spending a ton of money and time and effort and then being dumped anyways. And women largely don't experience that because women don't have nearly the same pressure to perform on dates, aren't expected to pay and are largely the ones dum… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/26 07:45 PM |
| – | Redpillers… are y’all so jaded that being liked is not enough?Just want to chime in and say I think you are completely correct. The problem is that as a society we have decided the male equivalent of all those fantasies and desires is evil and cruel and immoral, while all the female fantasies are good and innocent and harmless and men are the problem if men don't like it. I agree with you on those fantasies and understand how and why women appreciate those fantasies. But for some reason we have decided they men projecting male fantasies on women is horribl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/26 07:42 PM |
| – | Redpillers… are y’all so jaded that being liked is not enough?When you can't breathe air is the only thing that matters. When you're dying of thirst water is the only thing that matters. When you can get most of your social needs met, even if poorly, but can't get any romance or sex, then romance or sex are the only thing that matters. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/26 07:33 PM |
| – | Redpillers… are y’all so jaded that being liked is not enough?If you think men are whiny AF, wait until you start trying to date women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/26 07:24 PM |
| 8 | We need to stop the men vs women framing. It's toxic and pointless.I agree. Now go tell feminism to stop framing everything as men vs women, stop saying men oppress women, and stop saying everything is men's fault. Good luck. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/26 12:13 PM |
| 6 | Men are hugely responsible for "hoeflation."And then it's called projection. Women do this, and they think men would act he same way women do, so women blame men and complain about men doing the thing women think men would do if men thought and acted like women. But men don't think or act like women, and then men wonder what the fuck women are on about blaming men for something men don't do. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/26 12:01 PM |
| 5 | We need to stop the men vs women framing. It's toxic and pointless.Did you never hear feminists say how men oppress women? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/26 03:51 AM |
| 6 | why do your responses to men's statements sometimes not match what was actually said?Shots fired indeed haha, I'm just calling it like it is. Agree with you that fighting against that constant moral superiority and moral condescension is exhausting as a man. I am absolutely with you on equality and having equal access to stuff, but feminism doesn't have a monopoly on equality. One can want equality and yet also be against feminism, it's just feminism treats any disagreement with feminism like it's the moral equivalent of being a myaogtniatic woman hating incel. There is no agree… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/26 09:49 PM |
| 11 | why do your responses to men's statements sometimes not match what was actually said?Oh yeah that is absolutely true, it's just feminists like to pretend that they aren't just as lying and hypocritical as everyone else. Most feminists treat feminism like Christians treat Christianity, as though being a feminist or Christian automatically makes you a better and more moral person than others by default, and that real feminists/Christians would never do all the immoral stuff they call out in others. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/26 09:17 PM |
| 7 | why do your responses to men's statements sometimes not match what was actually said?See even if people don't fall for that feminists can twist it around in that "I didn't say that so clearly you must be a misogynistic woman hating incel if you twist my words like that". It's less about successful deception of others as much as it is gaslighting and self deception, for feminists to continue to tell themselves that they don't hate men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/26 06:53 PM |
| 11 | why do your responses to men's statements sometimes not match what was actually said?But they can still claim that's not what they said. It maintains plausible deniability. I agree with you that the yes is obvious, those feminists just don't want to acknowledge it because saying so makes them look bad and would expose the inherent hypocrisy and double standards they openly use and abuse. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/26 06:46 PM |
| 2 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedAnd while many of those changes do make it more accurate to find female victims, it also simultaneously makes it less accurate for male victims. It did not account for homeless men or men in prison and jail, the sample size for men was not large enough to accurately report the 12 month prevalence of sexual violence against men. https://np.reddit.com/r/TheTinMen/comments/1qun6cz/new_national_intimate_partner_and_sexual_violence/ And every NSVIS until the most recent one found similar rates of vic… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/26 02:01 AM |
| 2 | You are not entitled to a relationshipGenerally men and women are equally bad, it's just that usually men are worse than women at certain things, and women are worse than men when it comes to certain other behaviours. I hear you that constant goal post moving can be very frustrating for sure though. Usually I try to be as accurate and correct as I can, and I do want to know if I am wrong, so I don't mind being called out on errors and do appreciate others who also care about accuracy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/26 05:01 PM |
| 2 | You are not entitled to a relationshipMore often than not means more than 50% of the time. It does not mean it is only women who are unwilling to communicate honestly, just that on average if someone is communicating dishonestly, there are greater odds they are a woman than a man. Doesn't mean men don't do it, just that most people who do it aren't men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/26 11:45 AM |
| 2 | You are not entitled to a relationshipCool, so we can agree that there are many women who do it. It's a non-zero amount. And there is a huge number of women who actively shame men for expressing their emotions yes. Funnily enough for example it is mothers, not fathers, who perpetuate the "boys don't cry" thing. https://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/article/boys-dont-cry-study-suggests-mothers-not-fathers-show-gender-bias-towards-sons/ | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/26 11:42 AM |
| 3 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedHaha fair sorry about that, I'll try. And true you didn't say men can't suffer, etc, but when we see groups of people being abused, victimized, etc, as a society we clearly and evidently see the systemic causes that include bigoted logic and prejudice against those groups. But when those exact same issues happen to men all of a sudden it's not bigoted logic and not prejudice, it's "just statistics". Surely you can see the double standard here. Per lived experiences and patterns from personal exp… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/26 11:24 AM |
| 2 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedSee if a man wanted to attack me, he wouldn't come at me in a fair fight and give me a chance. I'd get jumped by multiple men or men with weapons. I'd have 0 chance to defend myself as well. The thing is though, if I just give up and say there's no chance, then I am sabotaging my own chances of escaping. I can either sit and cry and complain that the world is unsafe and unfair, or I can try and keep myself in shape, do martial arts for self defence, and actually try and improve my own odds. So a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/26 10:39 AM |
| 2 | You are not entitled to a relationshipI am only responsible for what I write, I am not responsible for what you read. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/26 10:31 AM |
| 1 | You are not entitled to a relationshipI said women can and frequently do dehumanize men, I didn't say that all women always believe that all men have no emotions whatsoever. Do you want to try and engage with the topic rationally, or do you want to try to continue to victim-blame men and erase male victims and male issues? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/26 10:30 AM |
| 4 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedI'm not flattening everything into all generalizations are identical, I'm flattening it into "as a society we recognize these generalizations are bigoted and prejudicial, EXCEPT when it comes to men, then we can make as many bigoted and prejudicial generalizations as we want and it's totally fine, because it doesn't count when it's done to men". It's a pretty massive double standard isn't it? Notice there is basically never any scale, history, or power dynamic used when talking about men, it's a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/26 10:29 AM |
| 0 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedI mean I can say I've never seen any women being harassed or assaulted, just because "we run in different groups" doesn't suddenly erase the statistics. You'd be surprised how often some academic groups are just as or more biased. After all, the feminist academic groups explicitly ignored and denied evidence of male victimhood. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duluth_model#Criticism Ellen Pence, co-founder of the DAIP, writes: "By determining that the need or desire for power was the motivating for… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/26 10:19 AM |
| 2 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedI was aware there was one more, and that they changed how they collect data and explicitly said not to compare that one to older ones. Didn't know there was amother newer one no. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/26 08:34 AM |
| 4 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedQuestion, because I generally have found you to be reasonable and rational in your debates here, and I think you would have sources on this Oh damn that is high praise haha! Thank you very much for this! do we have even moderately good data regarding what percentage of men offend when considering the broad range of sexual crimes and/or misbehaviors that fall short of criminality -- sexual assault, harassment, groping, spiking drinks, coerced consent, not stopping sex when consent is revoked, etc… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 10:14 PM |
| 6 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedI agree, but see, the question of how many men will take advantage if they can get away with it is... Exactly as many women will take advantage if they can get away with it. Reminder too that women are half the domestic abusers and near half of all rapists. https://np.reddit.com/r/TheTinMen/comments/1ooxfm9/an_advanced_guide_to_intimate_partner_violence/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4062022/ "For example, in 2011 the CDC reported results from the National Intimate Partner and Sexual … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 05:27 PM |
| 8 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedI mean, men should be more wary of other men more than women, because, statistically speaking, men are astronomically more likely to be violently assulted by another man than a women. It's just statistics. Very true, but for some reason all those male victims get constantly erased and dismissed and told that it is in fact women who are the bigger victims. If 80% of murder victims are men and men are vastly more likely to be harmed by other men, then why do we care so much about female victims wh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 05:24 PM |
| 5 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedWhy would you assume that people who are physicaly stronger and that you have no chance to fight off would want to do you harm? Do you think that men ought to live in fear of female MMA champions? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 05:16 PM |
| 5 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedThis only sounds comparable if you strip away all context, nuance, history, power dynamics, and lived experience until everything becomes the same blob of “people making generalizations.” Right, so this becomes "it's wrong when they do it but fine when we do it". Never heard that one before either. Women talking about patterns tied to harassment, violence, intimidation, safety concerns, etc is not remotely the same thing as racist ideology rooted in superiority, dehumanization, and prejudice. Ex… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 05:15 PM |
| 3 | You are not entitled to a relationshipThere's a grain of truth in that. Just like there's a grain of truth in how women say that men are stupid and can't pick up hints. There are differences between men and women, and we should recognize that women having hormones and emotional swings when they menstruate, especially since many women themselves openly admit to this. Men can also be emotional in other ways that don't make sense to women due to male socialization and social pressures and expectations on men. Both genders have emotions… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 03:54 PM |
| 2 | You are not entitled to a relationshipI'm not even saying that. The picture you posted is literally feminism. I'm arguing for actual equality. I'm saying both teams do the same aount of total bad things, and it's just as bad to blame all men for the actions of a small minority of men as it is to blame all women for the actions of a small minority of women. But for some reason holding women equality accountable as men is extremely unpopular. Most people don't seem to actually want equality, least of all the people who scream the most… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 03:49 PM |
| 4 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedFair, but I mean I didn't ignore anything ihatesmelly said? So not sure why you replied to me there? I'm just confused. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 03:33 PM |
| 7 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedOk cool, so what you're saying is that it is okay to generalize people based on their biological and physical characteristics. So since by your own standards women are naturally smaller and weaker than men, then women should be protected and shouldn't go out without a man to escort them? Should we say that since women have menstruations, and that it makes their emotions go wild, that they shouldn't be allowed to vote? You don't get to turn to biological and physical charactersitics when it's con… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 03:13 PM |
| 4 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedYou might be replying to the wrong person, I made a detailed comment and ihatesmelly completely ignored everything I said. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 03:05 PM |
| 14 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedNow say the same thing about literally any other group of people. Women should treat any Muslim man they don’t know or trust as if they have the potential to be violent. Women should treat any Jewish man they don’t know or trust as if they have the potential to be violent. Women should treat any Black man they don’t know or trust as if they have the potential to be violent. So you see that it is clearly bigoted and wrong to generalize an entire group based on only a small minority of members of … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 03:00 PM |
| 14 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedI'm not daft, I'm pointing out how "but always a man" DOES in fact blame all men, or at the very least says you should treat all men like they're potentially violent. You know how they say that when someone apologizes but they don't mean anything that comes before the "but"? What do you think happens with "not all men BUT always a man"? It's the exact same thing. It’s saying that the people who do commit the violent crimes are largely, by a majority, men. Not that a majority of men commit crimes… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 02:56 PM |
| 11 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedHave you never heard the 13% of black population committing 50% of crimes statistics? Whereas there’s plenty stating >90% of violent crimes are committed by men. In the case of domestic abuse that's just factually wrong, given women are half of all domestic abusers and that 75% of unidirectional domestic abuse is female on male. https://np.reddit.com/r/TheTinMen/comments/1ooxfm9/an_advanced_guide_to_intimate_partner_violence/ Still doesn't justify blaming all men, as the "but always a man" clear… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 02:56 PM |
| 6 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedRight back atcha. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 02:54 PM |
| 4 | You are not entitled to a relationshipNot according to most women, no, men don't. Kinda funny how women can and frequently do dehumanize men and are totally fine with it, and then turn around and complain how it's horrible when men do it to them. I'm all for equality, but most women don't seem to like it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 02:43 PM |
| 1 | You are not entitled to a relationshipBut can we at least agree that stringing someone along is a cousin to ghosting someone, in that they both involve an unwillingness to honestly communicate? Completely agree. The problem is that more often than not the people who are unwilling to honestly communicate are not men. Really the question is: do you as a human being have a moral obligation to but truthful and communicate with others clearly? Ideally, yes. This becomes a prisonner's dilemma though because anyone who is truthful and comm… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 02:42 PM |
| 5 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedSee I agree with the former, but "not all men but always a man" is basically saying that "it doesn't matter how small the % of men, treat ALL men like they're potentially violent". And therein lies the problem, because "not all men but always a man" completely eclipses and erases the fact that 90% of men are not violent criminals, and encourages people to treat the average man like he could be a violent crimina. Imagine if the saying was "not all Muslim men but always a Muslim man" or "not all J… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 02:36 PM |
| 7 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedExcept there is no other group, apart from men, in statistics that remains this bad across the board regardless of country, socioeconomic status and culture/religion. Except you're ignoring the fact that 90% of men DO NOT commit these crimes. So you're looking at the tiny minority of men who do, and blaming the vast majority of men, even though the vast majority of men are innocent. It's literally stereotyping and generalizing in a way you would never find acceptable if it was done to literally … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 02:29 PM |
| 3 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedYou intentionally misrepresented what I said to try and make a point I never made. Oh the irony | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 02:27 PM |
| 2 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedno good faith reading If you don't like the taste of your own medicine my guy you shouldn't be dishing it out. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 02:27 PM |
| 16 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuanced"Not all black men but mostly black men". Is that not racist as fuck? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 02:27 PM |
| 6 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedYou can’t say “most men don’t rape”, because that’s not related to the topic That is LITERALLY the topic. It’s not about how many men do or don’t do xyz. It’s about the statistics in DV, murder, physical and verbal assault being led by men in most cases >80%. That’s not saying most men do it - it’s saying that most people that DO do it are men. While completely forgetting and erasing the fact that most men don't rape or abuse. As /u/Mela_ninja points out, it's extrapolating from a small minority… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 02:25 PM |
| 14 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedNewsflash the overwhelming majority of men are not murderers or sexual abusers, so no it's not mostly men, it's a tiny minority of men. The problem is that it is mostly men AMONG THE SMALL MINORITY OF ALL OFFENDERS, but the "not all men but always a man" completely ignores the "among the small minority of all offenders" and blames all men as a collective, and that's just completely flat-out wrong. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 02:21 PM |
| 0 | Do you think biological realities playing into heterosexuality is a topic that leftists/feminists are ready to discuss?That source is for women in relationships, not just dating, and men are half the domestic abuse victims in relationships, so I doubt that the majority of violence in dating is male on female violence. https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/en/pub/85-002-x/2016001/article/14303-eng.pdf?st=G3YeIgkV https://np.reddit.com/r/TheTinMen/comments/1ooxfm9/an_advanced_guide_to_intimate_partner_violence/ Unless of course we're willing to say that men are more violent in dating, but once the couple are in a relati… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/05/26 05:00 AM |
| 3 | Do you think biological realities playing into heterosexuality is a topic that leftists/feminists are ready to discuss?One form of violence by proxy is by paying someone to be violent for you. Another form of violence by proxy is by encouraging bystanders to be violent for you. Which do you think is more likely, that a crowd of bystanders be violent in service to a man, or violent in service to a woman? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/26 05:35 PM |
| 4 | Do you think biological realities playing into heterosexuality is a topic that leftists/feminists are ready to discuss?I think if we want to have a more equal society then we ought to treat everyone equally and treat all victims with the same level of help, empathy, and respect. For some reason a lot of people on the left seem opposed to that the moment it applies to men as well. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/26 05:34 PM |
| 1 | Do you think biological realities playing into heterosexuality is a topic that leftists/feminists are ready to discuss?A man reports to the police he's been raped by a woman. A woman reports to the police she's been raped by a man. Who do you think gets taken more seriously? And before you go off on statistics, reminder that men are near half the rape victims in the US. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4062022/ "For example, in 2011 the CDC reported results from the National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey (NISVS), one of the most comprehensive surveys of sexual victimization conducted in the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/26 03:40 PM |
| -4 | Do you think biological realities playing into heterosexuality is a topic that leftists/feminists are ready to discuss?Source? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/26 03:00 PM |
| -1 | Do you think biological realities playing into heterosexuality is a topic that leftists/feminists are ready to discuss?In the dating world women are most vulnerable because of men. In life outside of dating men are more vulnerable because of other men What about violence by proxy? Person A is stronger than person B. Say person B happens to be a physically weaker but richer person, who can tell their bodyguards to beat up person A. Now translate that to mob justice instead of purely economic means. Which do you think is more likely, a man saying the woman across from him tried to rape him, and people around beati… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/26 03:00 PM |
| 4 | The Changing Room Gender Paradox.It feels like they’re trying to look inclusive on paper, but in reality, they’ve just made it a huge hassle for guys to even try on a shirt. Why not just make the whole place "Any Gender" and stop with the weird tiered system that doesn't actually work for anyone? Well see the thing is they are trying to look inclusive. It's just that nowadays inclusivity means including everyone except men. | /r/MensRights | 07/05/26 03:32 AM |
| 9 | Guys, honest answers onlyYou know, I think this is the closest I've ever seen you to just flat out admitting double standards. You're not even trying to explain away or justify it, just flat out "yeah double standards, that's it". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/26 09:40 AM |
| 2 | Many "intersectional feminists" have a very shallow understanding of intersectionalitySee the thing is you believe that intersectionality not recognizing the issues men face is a bug. It's not. It's a feature. Intersectionality is built on the same feminist principles that masculinity can only ever be a privilege and can never be cause for oppression, while femininity can only ever be a source or oppression and can never be a privilege. And then, when this faulty and bigoted logic collides with reality, feminism doesn't even bother calling reality wrong, it just calls racist and … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/05/26 07:36 AM |
| 1 | Men love and respect pick mesYou keep telling yourself that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/26 07:46 AM |
| 1 | Men love and respect pick mesBeing shallow IS a flaw. women simply aren’t shallow Nope, sorry, women are just as shallow as men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/26 07:35 AM |
| 1 | Men love and respect pick mes<lmao yall want to be women so bad. No idea why you're saying this, I do not see the connection at all. men do not have beauty standards Where have you been the last 50 years? Society has spent the last half century telling men their beauty standards for women were patriarchal, oppressive, and body shaming. I guess you do prefer the hypocritical lying. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/26 07:34 AM |
| 0 | Men love and respect pick mesThere are 2 definitions of pickme, the original one of a woman who puts other women down to appeal to men, and the 2nd definition where any woman who dares to treat men with kindness, respect, or decency, gets called a pickme by all the other women because that first woman dares go against the "men are trash we hate men" hivemind mentality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/26 05:55 AM |
| 1 | Men love and respect pick mesExcept for all the men who see women frequently using the definition of pickme you don't agree with. "I don't like it" =/= "it's not true". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/26 05:55 AM |
| 1 | Men love and respect pick mesYou were so close, right up until the last 5 words. This describes people, men and women both. Get of your high horse, women are just as shallow, superficial, and vain as men are. Welcome to equality, women are no longer made of sugar and spice and everything nice, they're flawed people just like men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/26 05:53 AM |
| 1 | Men love and respect pick mesOn the one hand, men are honest about it. On the other hand women claim up and down they're not shallow and then often have far more restrictive beauty standards they impose on men. So you prefer the straightforward honesty or the hypocritical lying? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/26 05:52 AM |
| 1 | Men love and respect pick mesThere are 2 definitions of pickme, the original one of a woman who puts other women down to appeal to men, and the 2nd definition where any woman who dares to treat men with kindness, respect, or decency, gets called a pickme by all the other women because that first woman dares go against the "men are trash we hate men" hivemind mentality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/26 05:50 AM |
| 1 | Men love and respect pick mesThere are 2 definitions of pickme, the original one of a woman who puts other women down to appeal to men, and the 2nd definition where any woman who dares to treat men with kindness, respect, or decency, gets called a pickme by all the other women because that first woman dares go against the "men are trash we hate men" hivemind mentality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/26 05:50 AM |
| 4 | Men love and respect pick mesThere are 2 definitions of pickme, the original one of a woman who puts other women down to appeal to men, and the 2nd definition where any woman who dares to treat men with kindness, respect, or decency, gets called a pickme by all the other women because that first woman dares go against the "men are trash we hate men" hivemind mentality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/26 05:50 AM |
| -1 | Men love and respect pick mesPlease womansplain men's lived experiences to men harder. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/26 05:49 AM |
| 0 | Men love and respect pick mesThere are 2 definitions of pickme, the original one of a woman who puts other women down to appeal to men, and the 2nd definition where any woman who dares to treat men with kindness, respect, or decency, gets called a pickme by all the other women because that first woman dares go against the "men are trash we hate men" hivemind mentality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/26 05:48 AM |
| 1 | Men love and respect pick mespleasant, loves being around him Behaviour What you're describing is a nice attractive woman. Appearance, nothing to do with behaviour. They are not the same. An attractive woman can be extremely unpleasant to be around and she can hate men. That makes her significantly less attractive in men's eyes. Per pick me there are also 2 definitions, the original one of a woman who puts other women down to appeal to men, and the 2nd definition where any woman who dares to treat men with kindness, respect… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/26 05:47 AM |
| 2 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menHow exactly is it to demand agreement with a framing to point out that men are half the domestic abuse victims and near half the rape victims, and that male victims deserve just as much empathy as female victims? Like, I'm trying to frame it that men matter too and we should be empathetic to male victims, and somehow that's a bad thing? Men have issues. No one serious is denying that. Oh you'd be surprised, there are plenty of feminists in this very subreddit who will deny up and down all day lo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/26 04:28 AM |
| 2 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menWhat kind of aid, empathy and sympathy should they give/have for men? The exact same kind of aid, empathy, and sympathy women expect from men. It's really not that complicated. Per working harder to earn more in regards to dating, it's more that women low-key force men to work harder, and then blame men for the wage gap, when the wage gap is due to women forcing men and women choosing not to work as much as men. It's kinda rank hypocrisy. To work harder not to get harrassed they can always work … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/26 12:35 AM |
| 1 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menThere are more women initiating in the west than ever. It might not be to the scale men want or like ( partly be bc men version was just too much ) but they are scaling forward. How do you know this? I haven't seen it and haven't seen anything to suggest this. Like if a man asks out a 100 women that's too much he will get like 5 who reciprocate his interests maybe. If a woman ask out 1 man it's very likely for him to reciprocate her interest. Well yeah, duh. That doesn't mean women are stepping … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/04/26 03:20 AM |
| 1 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menFair enough, that was over the line, sorry about that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/04/26 02:50 AM |
| 1 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menAnd what was the good faith version of what you said?? 😭 Why can’t you be direct? Fair enough, I will be. All of those are not some kind of universal female requirements, and men also aren’t obligated to meet any standard he doesn’t agree with; that’d just cause incompatibility later down the line of the relationship anyway. Not fitting what some woman wants in a man doesn’t make you “not good enough”, it just means you’re not compatible. It’s not an injustice to not feel attraction or not want … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/04/26 02:18 AM |
| 2 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menActually no. This is how men engage in dating based on their natural needs which they don't engage with because society tells them how to behave. Don't even know what this means or is supposed to mean. Because men dont even want to deconstruct the systemic issue. They want to be part of the system and win it. Right, because men never participated in any revolution. Men want to be part of a fair system and win it, and when the system is unfair, men rebel against it. So men absolutely have a veste… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/04/26 12:33 AM |
| 1 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menUsually it's people who care most about compatibility, rather than all the superficial needs and wants and list of endless icks most women tend to demand. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/04/26 12:18 AM |
| 2 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menIf men generally scaled back women would scale forward as they do in Nordic countries. Men are scaling back massively, and women are not scaling forward in the West at all. In Nordic countries, women scaled forward first, and then men scaled back. The majority of men approaching women are simply trying to exhibit some kind of control of their dating life. Which is fine. But it's such a inefficient system that it's silly. They mainly hurt themselves, annoy some of women and get very few successes… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/04/26 12:10 AM |
| 2 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menNo, the sympathy is not supposed to manifest in the dating market, so much as it is supposed to manifest in women understanding how much more difficult the dating market is on men, and that these are some of the issues that men face that seriously do harm men, and that women largely don't have to face. So if we expect men to feel empathy for women for the issues women face that men don't, we ought to expect women to return the favour to men as well. After all, if we're treating equality like a o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/04/26 12:04 AM |
| 2 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menThere will always be exceptions, but exceptions do not make the rule, and the overwhelming majority of men do not want to die virgins who have never experienced love or romance. I'm sure you agree that the majority of women would love to experience love and romance too, right? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/04/26 12:02 AM |
| 1 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menI'm not saying men should be given more power and privilege, I'm saying many women have pre-emptively decided men as a whole hold all the power and privilege, and use that as a basis to deny aid, empathy, and sympathy to men as a whole, while also demanding men do more to help women as a whole. I'm pointing out the inherent hypocrisy in that stance. Just granting you those numbers ("most women rank 80% of men below average"), then obviously it’s men’s job to try to become more attractive. But fo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/04/26 12:01 AM |
| 2 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menWell yes, women have it easier in the context of dating. The filtering and risk aren’t the same on both sides. Saying “men have that too” doesn’t make them equal in how they show up or what the impact is. Why not? And having more options isn’t automatically an advantage if a lot of those options are low quality or come with risk. More doesn’t always mean better, it just means more to sort through. Say your perfect match is one in a thousand, the bad matches are half a thousand, and the downright… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/26 11:24 PM |
| 1 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menFeminists have said that essentially all heterosexual sex is rape, https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/rape-seeded/ Actually on this one I was wrong, the context came from apparently back when marriage included women being forced to perform marital duties and that marital rape was not legally punishable. I was actually wrong on that one, and in the context of "women must have sex with their husband and men can't be prosecuted for raping their wife" then yeah absolutely that I can see. that marriag… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/26 11:20 PM |
| 2 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menWhat character? The one you don't care about because you can't look past my skin and gender apparently. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/26 11:04 PM |
| 20 | The popularity of low effort bioessentialist retorts and responses among online feminists; is anyone else noticing this?This kind of bioessentialism is not rampant these days, it has always been rampant. Feminism can't escape it because it is baked into the core feminist ideology that men are the oppressors and the villains. As much as feminism likes to claim that it is for men and that feminism helps men, baked into the core beliefs of feminism is the unshakeable faith-based position that it is alway a privilege to be a man and that men cannot be oppressed or victimized the way women can. They can try and weasel… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/04/26 06:44 PM |
| 0 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menNah and I know this is something that will be extremely hard for you as a white man to ever understand, people want to be treated as people. Awfully sexist and racist of you to say that, don't you think? Judging me by the content of my pants and the colour of my skin rather than the content of my character? For some reason (lol who am I kidding we know exactly the reason), white men's default has always been to complain when people who are not like them ask this and make it some massive problem.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/26 04:59 AM |
| 1 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menExcept that men also still have the filtering, the risk, and the quality issue. Being a man doesn't magically solve all those issues. So if men have the same filtering, risk, and quality issues as women, but women have an abundance of options that men do not, then women have it easier in that particular respect of dating. That makes dating easier for women than for men. Dating might still be hard for women, it's just harder for men. And no one said women have it worse in everything. That’s you p… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/26 04:50 AM |
| 2 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menCompletely agree. And it's ironic that most women will ardently deny that, while they are actively doing it. The amount of times I've seen women prove the very point they were arguing against, while in the very attempt to disprove said point... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/26 03:08 AM |
| 0 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menI replied to another comment with an answer that might help here too, so I'll copy and paste and adapt a bit. The ounce of empathy and sympathy for men that I am asking for, is the exact same kind of empathy and sympathy that women demand and expect for the issues that women face. I'm just asking for recognition for the issues and problems men face, and recognition of the systemic and society-wide forces that affects men. You largely won't find women having sympathy or empathy for the fact men a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/26 03:07 AM |
| 2 | Why are people disgustingly insensitive to male problems?Haha thanks! | /r/MensRights | 28/04/26 03:05 AM |
| 2 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menYou know that's fair, I am often guilty of snowballing stuff. I try and explain myself too much and show my entire reasoning on everything, and it just snowballs hugely. If brevity is the soul of wit, then clearly I am lacking in wittiness. You’re still turning this into “women are privileged, men are oppressed” and that’s where it loses me. Men struggling is real, but that doesn’t make women’s side easy or privileged. When in those exact situations where men struggling is real, and men struggle… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/26 03:04 AM |
| 2 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menYeah, this like it’s loaded down with a bunch assumptions/ personal grievances that don’t match reality. And men feel much the same way about most of what women say about their own oppression, but then men are told they just have to listen and believe women. Women don’t force men to approach them. In as much as men don't want to die virgin and single, and women won't approach men, yes. Women also actively want men to approach them, and refuse to approach men themselves. If dating is supposed to … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/26 02:59 AM |
| 2 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menWith regards to overrating their value, it's recognizing that men are human beings with feelings just as valid and just as important as women's feelings, and that men aren't just potentially violent murderous rapists by default until and unless proven otherwise. Outside of dating and sex there are a ton of issues that play into each other and affect one another. For example, while women are largely treated positively and warmly wherever they go, though women absolutely do suffer from far too muc… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/26 02:28 AM |
| 2 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menI hear you that you don't know what men's issues are, because men's issues are constantly invalidated, downplayed, and dismissed, ironically enough often first and foremost by the very people who demand everyone cares most about gendered issues. They just obviously mean we ought to care about women's issues, and like to pretend like men's issues don't even exist or matter. I've never felt particularly oppressed or put upon by women. Glad for you, it is good you haven't felt that, unfortunately n… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/26 02:20 AM |
| 0 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menI replied to your other comment here so I'll leave it there to avoid doubling conversations. https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/1sx7qwy/comment/oim70ag/?context=1 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/26 02:12 AM |
| 1 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menEmpathy and sympathy for men, recognition for the issues and problems men face, and recognition of the systemic and society-wide forces that affects men. Meanwhile women demand men have all the above and more for basically all women and for any and all issues women face, no matter how small or irrelevant. You largely won't find women having sympathy or empathy for the fact men are half the domestic abuse victims. You largely won't find women having sympathy or empathy for the fact men are near h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/26 02:08 AM |
| 1 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menAs if you didn’t bring up nobility. You know that's fair, maybe I shouldn't have used an outrageous example to try and illustrate the outrageous and hypocritical demands of women, rather than just calling out the outrageous and hypocritical demands as being outrageous and hypocritical, it does confuse matters. Women aren’t “demanding” anything from men. Seriously, zero demands. This is patently, clearly, obviously, and demonstrably false. Women have been making and continue to make demands from … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/26 02:07 AM |
| 1 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menIf the things were reasonable yes. The problem is women reserve the right to decide what is and isn't reasonable, and most have pre-emptively decided that it isn't reasonable for the sex who has the most power and privilege to be given more. Trying to get women to feel empathy for men is like pulling teeth. Be attractive - this is fine, but it’s also fair if the guy is equally attractive himself. Plus, attractive is pretty subjective and it’s more about being attracted to someone, which you prob… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/26 02:03 AM |
| 1 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menMen would love to lift each other up more. The problem is every time that happens feminism steps in, calls that patriarchal and misogynistic and oppressive, and tells men that they have all the power and privilege already and should be helping women more instead. We live in a patriarchal society- be the change you wish to see. In one society, only men are allowed to be politicians, but only women are allowed to vote. In another society, only women are allowed to be politicians, but only men are … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/26 01:44 AM |
| 1 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menI mean you repeated my objections and implied they're all outrageous, but you haven't tried to show how any of them are wrong. Goodness are you sure hyperbolic martyrdom is about women? It sounds like you've been through so much from women and feminism, yet we are hyperbolic martyrs? Given I'm using mostly the same language feminists use, do you accuse them of hyperbolic martyrdom as well? Feminists have said that essentially all heterosexual sex is rape, that marriage is oppression, and that th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/26 01:38 AM |
| 0 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menI didn't say men pick incompatible women, I say men have the choice between dying single and virgin, or going with women who are less compatible. It sure is a nice privilege to have so many options to choose from that one can get the absolute best choice that has the highest attributes for all the traits one wants in a partner, but that's not a privilege 80% of men enjoy. There are far far far more women who enjoy this privilege than men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/26 01:36 AM |
| 3 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menI mean I'm sure it is nice to live a privileged life where all of women's needs for safety and stability are met by men or subsidized by men, so much so that women don't need to directly rely on any single men. It must be nice. While women are largely treated positively and warmly wherever they go, though women absolutely do suffer from far too much unwated attention, in contrast men are treated as though they are invisible at best, and actively treated like potentially murderous violent rapists… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/26 01:34 AM |
| 2 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menf you don’t pay your taxes, you go to jail. So you’re just picking the less shitty option to pay your taxes and not go to jail. And if men don't approach women, then men will die single and virgins, since women basically will never approach men. So women force men to do the things they themselves don't want to do, assuming men don't want to die single and virgin. Also, if men want empathy, they have to genuinely learn to to appeal empathy because what they do now is not appealing to empathy what… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/26 01:30 AM |
| – | Modern women overrate their value way more than menJesus, you do know that it doesn't matter how hard you white knight for women and attack men who disagree with them, you're not going to get anything from it, right? Seriously dude, hating your own gender like that cannot be healthy. Please go see a therapist, you don't deserve to live thinking yourself to be such a horrible person simply because of the gender you were born into. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/26 01:26 AM |
| 2 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menNever said being with someone out of desperation is romantic, I'm merely pointing out that apparently, it's only romantic to fall in love with men who are tall, rich, handsome, and have everything going for the, because apparently women have absolutely no empathy, sympathy, or compassion for any of the men who struggle with dating, and apparently judge that bottom 80% of men to be completely unworthy of any romance or love. And this is coming from the supposedly more romantic and empathetic gend… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/26 01:25 AM |
| 3 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menFirst off that's completely off topic and irrelevant, and second you do realize that 44% of the people who voted for Trump were women, right? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/26 01:23 AM |
| 3 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menBullshit bullshit bullshit. Women mock weak men and cheer men mocking weak men too. Welcome to equality, where women are just as smart, just as evil, just as kind, and just as despicable as men. Sorry to burst your bubble, women aren't innocent angels made of sugar and spice and everything nice. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34978934/ Sexual assault of men by women has received increasing attention in recent years, as has research on rape myths about male victims. This study is a cross-generat… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/26 01:22 AM |
| 2 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menThe OP is about women “overrating” themselves and consequently not finding a partner, and you compared those women to nobility demanding taxes from oppressed peasants. You know that's fair, maybe I shouldn't have used an outrageous example to try and illustrate the outrageous and hypocritical demands of women, rather than just calling out the outrageous and hypocritical demands as being outrageous and hypocritical, it does confuse matters. If you don’t like me directly addressing what you laid o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/26 01:17 AM |
| 2 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menWomen do get hyped in some spaces and torn apart in others, the difference is the spaces where women get hyped grows ever larger and more numerous, while all the spaces where women get torn apart get called misogystic and get shut down. Meanwhile the spaces where men get hyped up gets smaller and smaller, get accused of being patriarchal and misogynistic and oppressive, and the spaces where men get torn apart grows larger every day. Many modern ads and movies are all about incompetent men being … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/26 12:59 AM |
| 0 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menThe way that men are treated as threats/or just weird if they aren’t able (or frankly just don’t want to) date is bad. I am honestly happy to hear you can and do see this. Do you understand and recognize that some 90% of women seem almost pathologically incapable of seeing what you pointed out here? We should be working to normalize being single. But being completely honest, I think social media is a big reason why there’s an increasing disconnect and a lack of empathy on both sides. Making mass… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/26 12:41 AM |
| 0 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menWomen want safety and to have equal human rights. Like the right to work Cool. Women have been having that for the last 50 years. Men want relationships and sex. One of those things is not like the other. You are right. One is something that women already have, while the other is denying people a core part of the human experience just because they're born into the wrong gender and therefore as a society we don't give a fuck about a single one of their issues. You are right that one of these thin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/26 12:38 AM |
| 2 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menI agree that consent is needed and is absolutely a good thing, but this isn't about men wanting to force women to have sex without their consent, it's about women feeling entitled to impose whatever preferences and standards they want on men, while telling men who do the exact same thing that they are patriarchal and misogynistic and controlling and body shaming if they dare to do the same. I'm all for making things equal between individuals, but there is a much larger societal problem in how we… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/26 12:33 AM |
| 2 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menThe issue is that as a society we have recognize that women face large scale structural issues and had gender roles imposed on them, and that we have taken and are taking steps to correct that. The problem is then that we as a society have also turned around, ocmpletely denied that the same could ever possibly happen to men and that men could ever possibly be victimized systematically, and then doubled down on the exact same gender roles imposed on men, that we said was toxic when imposed on wom… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/26 12:25 AM |
| 3 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menNobility can demand taxes from peasants via the threat of structural violence, like jail time, eviction, etc.. Women not freely giving their bodies to any man who wants them is not a form of violence. I never said anything about women freely giving away their bodies, so let's calm down with the outlandish accusations and straw man attempts yeah? Women being single if they can’t find a man they like is not a form of violence. No but women demanding endlessly from men and turning society against m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/26 12:20 AM |
| 1 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menYou know that's a fair question, "the issue" is not actually a singular issue, it's a tangled knot of multiple issues all bound together affecting one another. The bigger problem is precisely what you asked, who cares? Men are expected to care about and help with any and all of women's issues regardless of what men think, feel, or even if they agree with the existence of the issues pointed out, and if men don't care they're patriarchal misogynistic incels. Meanwhile women are entitled to not giv… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/26 12:14 AM |
| 2 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menAnd yet men are told they are reapk sible for organizing for women and helping women out. Men have been repeatedly told they do have to take responsibility, even for things other men have done that they themselves haven't, and that women are owed help and support from men, and failure to do so is patriarchal and misogynistic. In contrast the men who are told to do so much and bend over backwards to recognize, address, and solve women's issues, are then told they're not entitled to an ounce of em… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/26 11:59 PM |
| 2 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menWhen men get told their preferences are body shaming, misogynistic, controlling, patriarchal, and that the male gaze is harmful and sexist, I'm not confused about anything at all. This has nothing to do with women providing or not providing any services, and everything to do with men being repeatedly and directly told to change their preferences because men's preferences affect women. And then in contrast women are told they are free to have whatever standards or requirements from men they want … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/26 09:00 PM |
| 5 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menYou created that accusation out of thin air. Basically how 90% of women on here seem to respond to any and all of men's issues, just make up an outrageous accusation as though that was what men demanded, and then argue against the straw man of an argument nobody ever said in the first place. Setting fire to strawmen is something of an Olympic sport in feminism when it comes to men's issues. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/26 08:10 PM |
| 2 | Why are people disgustingly insensitive to male problems?I mean you're not wrong hut according to feminism, supporting ANY of men's rights issues is misogyny by default. | /r/MensRights | 27/04/26 08:08 PM |
| 3 | Why are people disgustingly insensitive to male problems?Actually not true, there are more hateful comments from women, it's just that as a society we ignore and dismiss the harm women do. Not saying there aren't hateful comments from men, there are, but failing to account for the harm women do isn't helpful either. | /r/MensRights | 27/04/26 08:07 PM |
| 4 | Why are people disgustingly insensitive to male problems?The problem is not that men vote populist too much. Populism rises when there are significant issues people face that are not being addressed, and the people will then vote for whoever promises to address those unaddressed issues. Populists have it easy because they propose simple solutions to complex problems. The reason men vote populists, is because the non populists don't give a fuck about men's issues. If the left actually cared to address men's issues they'd win in a landslide. The problem… | /r/MensRights | 27/04/26 08:06 PM |
| 1 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menNobody is demanding that they change their preferences. Where have you been these past 50 years? There have been CONSTANT demands for men to change their preferences. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/26 07:59 PM |
| 1 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menWe'd love to, the problem every time men try to help other men it's patriarchal and oppressive and misogynistic, and then men get stopped from helping one another, especially in any situation where men helping each other would be to women's detriment. In contrast men are always expected to help women, even in situations where it is to men's detriment, and men failing to help women also gets men called sexist and misogynistic and oppressive. Odd double standard isn't it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/26 07:40 PM |
| 1 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menFeel free to point out what those two different things are, maybe we do have a misunderstanding. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/26 07:33 PM |
| 0 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menI guess you're not very romantic if you cannot think of any reason at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/26 07:32 PM |
| 2 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menAnd "choosing who women date" is not the argument either. You dilute and minimize men's real issues by deliberately taking a bad faith interpretation of the argument to minimize and dismiss it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/26 07:20 PM |
| 1 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menYou're not wrong, and yet at the same time as society had been telling people it's bad to make fun of single older women, society has also been constantly ramping up accusations of men being incels. I agree with you that the 3 choices are enjoy it, lower standards, or improve yourself, but there are pretty massive double standards in how society tells men they have to lower their standards and improve themselves while telling women they're perfect the way they are and to never settle for less. I… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/26 07:19 PM |
| 1 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menGood thing I never said that, and thank you for proving your unwillingness to show men even the most basic empathy by taking the absolute worst interpretation of an argument and then trying to paint it like that's all men want, ask for, or need. I am genuinely sorry you rel suicidal ideation, nobody should ever have to feel that way. Everyone deserves to habe a happy life free of suffering and we ought to try to give that to each other as a society. It would just be nice if men's issues could be… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/26 07:16 PM |
| 0 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menYes, it's almost as ridiculous as women who reply "well you can't force women to have sex with you" to every argument men make. It's not quite a reductio ad absurdum, but it does rather well illustrate women's position of privilege to demand men continue to toil and work to give women everything they want and need while women refuse to give anything back to men, even something as simple as recognition and validation. God forbid we try and care about men half as much as society demands men care a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/26 07:13 PM |
| 2 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menNo, the issue is apparently your misandry and lack of empathy and sympathy for men and men's issues. Remember that the next time you want men to care about you and women's issues. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/26 07:08 PM |
| -1 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menThe problem is it doesn't matter how well made the argument is when the other side doesn't care to engage with it and simply goes "hurr durr you can't force women to have sex with you". When someone actually cares about an issue or an argument, they try and u deratsnd it instead of trying to turn it into a straw man. And it's funny how men are conatenrly told to take women seriously, to believe women, to listen to women's lived experiences, and yet most women seem utterly unwilling to do for men… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/26 07:06 PM |
| 2 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menWell to be fair the issue is complex and is actually a bunch of related issues, from male disposability to the gender empathy gap to the gendered standards women have been liberated from bit that are still imposed on men, but god forbid we care enough about men to try and make an attempt to take their issues seriously, instead of automatically and constantly dismissing men's issues without even bothering to try and give men or men's issues any empathy, sympathy, or understanding. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/26 07:05 PM |
| 0 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menI fail to see how women demanding endless empathy and sympathy from men, and demanding men treat women kindly and with courtesy, while women tell men they aren't entitled to any empathy, sympathy or courtesy from women, isn't a double standard. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/26 07:03 PM |
| 0 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menNot specifically, but it all fits under the pattern that women's issues and women themselves matter, while men's issues and men themselves do not. Whether it's the women are wonderful effect, male disposability, the gender gap in empathy, or whatever else we want to call it, it exists and is very real. It's kind of funny, you'd think the plelle who are obsessed with finding out gender based discrimination would have picked up on that instead of deliberately dismissing and erasing that problem. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/26 07:02 PM |
| 0 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menDo you think that women would be willing to provide more, if men asked for more? Men ask for rather little and women are already unwilling to provide that, what makes you think that men asking more from women will make women more willing to provide more? It’s self inflicted by men which is what I’m saying essentially. Random question, do you think there are any issues women face that are self inflicted? I'm asking because it is extremely common to blame men for everything and women for nothing, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/26 06:52 PM |
| 1 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menI agree we should treat other people with courtesy. It's just that so many women seem to demand men treat women with the utmost courtesy, while simultaneously telling men theyre not entitled to any courtesy from women. That's a pretty big double standard, don't you think? The problem is not being kind, the problem is that men are expected to be the most kind and courteous to women, while women tell men that men aren't entitled to any kindness or courtesy back from women. I'm all for equality, bu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/26 06:49 PM |
| -7 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menYes yes, god forbid we actually try and discuss the issue instead of making hyperbolic martyrdom claims to dismiss everything we don't want to hear. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/26 06:46 PM |
| -1 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menYou're right. Men instead just kill themselves 4x more, get murdered 4x more, are 4x more likely to be homeless than women, die more of every single disease and cancer than women, boys education gets neglected so much they fall behind girls starting in 4th grade in basically every single 1st world nation, men are half the domestic abuse victims but get constantly dismissed and ignored, and men are near half the rape victims bit also get constantly ignored and dismissed, and male victims receive … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/26 06:41 PM |
| 1 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menThats actually not correct. Women release oxytocin from skin on skin contact. So sex does release oxytocin but yes, safety is needed for a permanent bond. I mean I didn't day what released oxytocin for women, but hey fair enough, if thats what women like that is great and is simple enough. It does it make it rather unfair that women can and are entitled to demand whatever skin on skin contact they want and men are shamed for failing to fulfill her needs, while she is unilaterally entitled to com… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/26 06:36 PM |
| -8 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menIt would be that simple if men weren't constantly blamed, be told to do better, and that "where have all the good men gone", while men having the exact same preferences as women but gender flipped get told their preferences are toxic, controlling, patriarchal, and oppressive, and they need to change and accept women for who they are. So yeah, it wouldn't be a problem at all, except for the massive fucking double standards. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/26 06:29 PM |
| 3 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menFor some reason if men want a woman with the looks of a porn star and the desire to be an obedient housewife that's a problem and misogynistic and oppressive and the male gaze, but if a woman refuses to settle for any man that isn't 6 feet tall, with a 6 figure income, a 6 pack, a 6 inch sausage, and the looks of a Hollywood star, it's simply that she knows her worth and she's entitled to her preferences. Do you not see the double standard? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/26 06:26 PM |
| 0 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menAnd yet so many women demand that they be treated with the utmost courtesy simply because they are women. It is illogical, but you're only seeing the one half of it. Are you aware women are just as illogical, simply in different ways? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/26 06:23 PM |
| 2 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menI’ve seen like half a dozen posts from men going on about “men built civilization” as if that makes every individual man high value by default. So let’s not act like only women are getting gassed up. Usually as a response to "who needs men" and "men are worthless" and "what do men even bring to the table". Women want to be recognized and validated too, I fail to see why validation should be a one way a|reset exclusively to women's benefit. Social media hypes everyone. Women get “know your worth,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/26 06:21 PM |
| -2 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menMen generally demand women not be a pain as well. And yet despite these often clear and simple demands, women often fail to fulfill them, while they themselves have an ever growing and ever changing laundry list of requirements for men. I always find it darkly ironic how women so frequently treat equality like a one way street exclusively to the benefit of women, and then turn around and complain men aren't doing enough for women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/26 06:13 PM |
| -6 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menAnd the nobility isn't making any demands from the peasants either, the peasants are free to not pay the taxes if they don't feel like it. Seems like you’re interpreting women not automatically making themselves easily sexually available to whichever men want them as “making demands”…that’s goofy. Seems like you're taking the most deliberately bad faith take to try and discredit the argument and shut down the conversation without bothering to actually trying to deal with the issue. Funny how whe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/26 06:11 PM |
| -1 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menIronically enough it's kind of the opposite, male brains release oxytocin with sex, and oxytocin is the binding hormone. Women need to feel safe and secure to release oxytocin, and without feeling safe and secure they generally don't want to have sex. Male brains release oxytocin after sex, which makes them bond more and more to the woman they are having sex with. Obviously these are generalities and its neither a guaranteed thing nor true for every single man and woman, but I can't help but fin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/26 06:07 PM |
| -1 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menWomen have been claiming "where have all the good men gone" for far too long for there not to be a lot of lonely single bitter women out thee. Male loneliness is about far more than just not having a partner, it also has to do with how society in general completely neglects, dismisses, and invalidates men's needs and issues. The problem is most men literally do not have the language to talk about those issues, precisely because they have been so emotionally and psychologically neglected. And the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/26 06:02 PM |
| 5 | “OTHER MEN are the ones who make light of male victims, not feminists!” A new study found the exact opposite is true and that on average they have gotten worse over time about this while men improved.Yeah but see falsifiability, like science, is a white male imperialistic patriarchal construct, so clearly it is bad and needs to be replaced! I wish this was sarcasm and not a legit 100% honest reply I got once. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/04/26 06:09 AM |
| 7 | Women keep reframing RP observations as men trying to control womenIt just becomes guilt by association instead of an argument. And this is what 90% of arguments from feminists and women on the left has become, and if is no accident. I agree with you, just wanted to add my 2 cents. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/04/26 11:40 AM |
| 0 | Women "love" men for what they do for them, not who they are.Thankfully men are attracted to more than just the top 20% of most attractive women. If a woman is not attractive, she's going to have to do like men and work for it. Unattractive women don't get the shortcut pretty privilege most women have, so they'll have to work for it just like men do. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/26 05:44 AM |
| 3 | Do Women Actually Believe Men's Dating Struggles Are Real?Their concern is that women expect men to recognise women's experience but do not themselves recognise men's experiences. Yes, that is hypocrisy. That's not the same thing as your gripe, which is about solutions. I don't think you understand my gripe then because I am agreeing with OP about how the hypocrisy is a problem. How would that solve men's problems? I mean if women recognized the hyoocsory and stopped being hypocritical, that would solve the problem of women being hypocritical. Im not s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/26 07:33 PM |
| 2 | Do Women Actually Believe Men's Dating Struggles Are Real?Actually trying to understand in the same way they demand men understand them, instead of going "yes I understand you say men have it harder but in fact women have it harder". It's like if men said "yes I understand women get stalked and groped but women get free drinks at bars so they have it easier." It's incredibly dismissive and not understanding when men do that to women, so the least women could do would be to not do the same to men, when they complain so much about how men are dismissive … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/26 07:28 PM |
| 2 | Do Women Actually Believe Men's Dating Struggles Are Real?But here's what's strange: women criticize men for not believing women's experiences. Yet women even more so don't believe men about their experiences with women. Hypocrisy is precisely the gripe OP brings up. Women expect men to accept and believe women's lived experiences unconditionally, and then those same women turn around and feel free to dismiss any of men's lived experiences that don't align with what those women believe men's lived experiences should be. One solution for men's problems … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/26 06:28 PM |
| 3 | Do Women Actually Believe Men's Dating Struggles Are Real?When we tell women to ignore the creepy men and crass comments we're told that's not a solution and that's not good enough. If that's not an acceptable solution for women facing similar problems, why should it be acceptable for men facing the same problems? It's the hypocrisy and double standards that are so frustrating. Men are willing to play the game by new rules, but when almost every single time women want to change the rules to "heads she wins tails he loses" men get rightfully tired and p… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/26 06:07 PM |
| 2 | Do Women Actually Believe Men's Dating Struggles Are Real?In this thread Women: "yes we understand men face issues but we can't do anything about it, the issues are minor, the problem is other men, and you can't turn us into sex slaves to solve your problems. Anyways women have it worse so it's nice to know some men have a small idea of the issues women face. " The words say yes, but the explanation and reasoning says no. Always funny that the group of women who so constantly demand endless sympathy and empathy from men, are almost pathologically incap… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/26 06:05 PM |
| 5 | Women, especially women aware of their privilege, have made it abundantly clear that men have no reason to harbor even basic goodwill towards them or regard them as potential allies in any endeavor.Men have been hard at work addressing just about every single issue that has affected women. The rate of women dying in childbirth has been plummetting. The rate of women going into higher education is now so high that 65% of university undergraduates are women, a gender ratio more skewed than it was in the 1960s. We are making tremendous strides with shelters for women victim of domestic abuse and addressing sexual harassment. Women's rights and bodily autonomy rights have soared across the Wes… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/26 02:49 AM |
| 3 | Women, especially women aware of their privilege, have made it abundantly clear that men have no reason to harbor even basic goodwill towards them or regard them as potential allies in any endeavor.this is an incorrect, sweeping generalization. there are feminists married to men. And there are people who say "I'm not racist, some of my best friends are [insert race here]". I'm sure many feminists who hate men, think the men in their lives are "some of the good ones". in the US, opposition to feminism helped to get our current president elected. "pussy grabbing" etc Indeed. Maybe that wouldn't have happened if feminism wasn't so hell bent on demonizing and vilifying men. society in general … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/04/26 09:41 PM |
| 3 | Women, especially women aware of their privilege, have made it abundantly clear that men have no reason to harbor even basic goodwill towards them or regard them as potential allies in any endeavor.And less than 10% kd men subscribe to these movements. The entire feminism movement actively endorses and encourages contempt, fear of, and hatred of men, and feminism has a stranglehold on leftist politics in N America and Europe, and has offices at every level of government I clouding the United Nations to push forward women's issues. Opposition to feminism is political suicide, and opposition to "the mansophere" is a career boost in leftist circles. Only 35% of British women under 30 hold a p… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/04/26 07:15 PM |
| 2 | Women, especially women aware of their privilege, have made it abundantly clear that men have no reason to harbor even basic goodwill towards them or regard them as potential allies in any endeavor.Yes, I am upset that women constantly demand men check their privilege, while women are largely not only ignorant about the privilege they themselves have, but also often aggressively attacking anyone who points out female privilege, while constantly demanding men do more and be better for women, thus reinforcing the female privilege women adamantly refuse to acknowledge they have. It's the hypocrisy and moral grandstanding that is most upsetting. Women as a group seem to demand always more empa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/04/26 05:25 PM |
| -2 | Men have a large access to casual sexNailed it lol. Gotta love the double standards eh | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/04/26 02:35 PM |
| 11 | Men have a large access to casual sexRespecting men? In this day and age? Sir that is the height of misogyny! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/04/26 02:34 PM |
| 1 | Why ranking people 1–10 doesn’t really work.Bingo. For people who don't know https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtue_signalling | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/04/26 01:44 PM |
| 4 | Why ranking people 1–10 doesn’t really work.I'd rather spend time focusing on the very real problem of global warming. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/04/26 06:39 AM |
| 5 | Some men need to wake up and realise that being single and being lonely are not the same thingDildos arent equivalent to a full on sex doll or robot though. It's more similar to a flashlight. And a fleshlight is still a sex object. The point is not that it is misogyny to make a sex doll, the point is to demonize male sexuality, regardless of how it is expressed, and call it misogyny any time it does not directly benefit women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/04/26 06:38 AM |
| 4 | Why ranking people 1–10 doesn’t really work.Well I'm in Canada, but given I'm much more into atheism, philosophy, evidence, and science, I don't think I'll get along much with those people haha. It is cute how you completely ignore everything I say though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/04/26 06:29 AM |
| 5 | Why ranking people 1–10 doesn’t really work.Never heard of MUFON before, what a funny sounding acronym haha. And hey, feel free to show men how women prefer to stick to their values against the consensus, or how women have such widely diverging political opinions, or how women don't follow trends and fashion, and men do all those more than women do. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/04/26 06:20 AM |
| 2 | Some men need to wake up and realise that being single and being lonely are not the same thingIf your mom taught you that women were angels, not people, she was a poor feminist and needed to do some reading IMO. I mean you're not wrong, but at this point that's like 70%+ of feminists, sooo yeah. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/04/26 06:15 AM |
| 6 | Some men need to wake up and realise that being single and being lonely are not the same thingThere’s absolutely ethical problems with sex robots. Such as? Making a literal sex object in the image of a woman is the height of misogyny. Given there's a plethora of dildos out there, by your metric there's more misandry than misogyny out there. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/04/26 06:13 AM |
| 7 | Why ranking people 1–10 doesn’t really work.about attraction. Rather, about anything that would make women appear bad. With attraction it makes them seem shallow, so they lie about it. Same with political opinions, or the latest gossip, or the latest trend. If it makes them look bad compared to the ideal, or it makes them stick out from the consensus, then they'll lie to make themselves look better or appear to be part of the consensus. Not all women, not all the time, but it's a hell of a lot more common in women than in men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/04/26 06:12 AM |
| 2 | Women, especially women aware of their privilege, have made it abundantly clear that men have no reason to harbor even basic goodwill towards them or regard them as potential allies in any endeavor.Women largely have no idea how much more empathy and support they get from men, that most men never get from other men. It's like the nobility complaining that the peasants aren't treating them well enough, while the nobility has no idea what life as a peasant is like. You don't have to take my word for it, trans men say it exactly like it is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZF7k9nVNRw | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/04/26 02:29 AM |
| 5 | Women, especially women aware of their privilege, have made it abundantly clear that men have no reason to harbor even basic goodwill towards them or regard them as potential allies in any endeavor.And saying "you want to take away women's rights if they won't let you fuck them. so clearly women shouldn't have any empathy for men" is insulting. degrading, and counter-productive. Women demanding to be treated "like a person" is apparently supposed to be clearly and easily understood, but men saying "have some empathy" is vague and fruitless. Seems like rather a big double standard to me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/04/26 02:27 AM |
| 1 | Women, especially women aware of their privilege, have made it abundantly clear that men have no reason to harbor even basic goodwill towards them or regard them as potential allies in any endeavor.Oh yeah no the mods do a good job of moderating the sub and removing circle jerking on debate posts. While we're at it props to the mods for managing this sub to keep it from exploding or imploding, they're doing a good job. In debate posts that circle jerking gets removed, as it should. In the debate subreddit in general however, it's a bit of a different story, but fair enough. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/04/26 03:06 PM |
| 1 | Women, especially women aware of their privilege, have made it abundantly clear that men have no reason to harbor even basic goodwill towards them or regard them as potential allies in any endeavor.Source? From the wiki https://web.archive.org/web/20250323160357/https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14789949.2019.1588911 Yes, female killers and rapists are quite rare. I genuinely don't know if this is an honest mistake or if this is more of your deliberately dishonest portrayal to constantly erase female wrong doing and blame everything wrong on men. Hybristophilia would still be seen and reported even if female serial killers were rare. It is the hybristophilia that is rare in men.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/04/26 02:54 PM |
| 2 | Women, especially women aware of their privilege, have made it abundantly clear that men have no reason to harbor even basic goodwill towards them or regard them as potential allies in any endeavor.They are, but only the male delusional ones get called out while the female delusional ones get encouraged. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/04/26 02:49 PM |
| 3 | Women, especially women aware of their privilege, have made it abundantly clear that men have no reason to harbor even basic goodwill towards them or regard them as potential allies in any endeavor.And not nearly as much as male killers and rapists get from women. It literally says in the link I provided "Although rare, hybristophilia has also been reported in men." Trying to pretend like women can do no wrong and obsessively redirecting to how you think men are always worse doesn't make it so, you know. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/04/26 01:22 PM |
| 3 | Women, especially women aware of their privilege, have made it abundantly clear that men have no reason to harbor even basic goodwill towards them or regard them as potential allies in any endeavor.That is true but I'm pointing out how looking for sympathy and affirmation is a common thing done by women on this sub, but it gets called out when men do it. It's treated almost as though sympathy and empathy are for women, and men need not apply. I'm just pointing out the double standards. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/04/26 01:19 PM |
| 4 | Women, especially women aware of their privilege, have made it abundantly clear that men have no reason to harbor even basic goodwill towards them or regard them as potential allies in any endeavor.Very true. Women are going to be surprised at how little empathy they get back from men, when men start realizing how little empathy they get from women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/04/26 06:51 AM |
| 3 | Women, especially women aware of their privilege, have made it abundantly clear that men have no reason to harbor even basic goodwill towards them or regard them as potential allies in any endeavor.That would mean enslaving their own wives, daughters, mothers, and sisters Exactly. Which is why men won't do that. Which is why most men don't have the mindset that men have no reason to harbor even basic goodwill towards women. If you were right and men didn't care about women, men would be enslaving women including their wives, daughters, mothers, and sisters. Men don't do that, ergo it is not true that men don't care about women. You are mixing protection with control, limiting their indepen… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/04/26 06:50 AM |
| 3 | Women, especially women aware of their privilege, have made it abundantly clear that men have no reason to harbor even basic goodwill towards them or regard them as potential allies in any endeavor.Rather the same old "why should men have sympathy and empathy for the women who demand endless sympathy and empathy from men, while those same women are utterly unwilling to return even an ounce of empathy and sympathy from the very men they demand so much from". I'm all for equality and fairness, but treating equality like a one-way street exclusively to women's benefit isn't equality at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/04/26 06:11 AM |
| 3 | Women, especially women aware of their privilege, have made it abundantly clear that men have no reason to harbor even basic goodwill towards them or regard them as potential allies in any endeavor.You may be surprised to learn that most women are not impressed by violence. You may be surprised to learn that there are far more women who are impressed by violence than you may think. Hybristophilia is an almost exclusively female phenomenon. It isn't men sending love letters en masse to female serial killers. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/04/26 06:10 AM |
| 2 | Women, especially women aware of their privilege, have made it abundantly clear that men have no reason to harbor even basic goodwill towards them or regard them as potential allies in any endeavor."issue is the other men who let their dicks run their lives" =/= "dudes getting laid" That's your first dishonest misrepresentation. "allows women to weaponize their sexuality and gives authoritarians power over other men?" Yes. Simps and white knights, when in large groups and following the directives of the women who weaponize their sexuality to turn men against other men, creates a large power imbalance against the non-simp non-white-knighting men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/04/26 06:09 AM |
| 2 | Women, especially women aware of their privilege, have made it abundantly clear that men have no reason to harbor even basic goodwill towards them or regard them as potential allies in any endeavor.Why do people come to a debate sub looking for sympathy and affirmation? Isn't circlejerking against the rules? I mean do you not see the tons of women basically going "woe is me, poor women, men are so horrible, men need to care more about women"? Women seem to demand a ton of sympathy and empathy from men, and then turn around and deny even an ounce of empathy and sympathy from the very men they demand so much from. It's an odd double standard isn't it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/04/26 06:06 AM |
| 8 | Women, especially women aware of their privilege, have made it abundantly clear that men have no reason to harbor even basic goodwill towards them or regard them as potential allies in any endeavor.They do. Most women don't give a fuck about men, when they aren't actively erasing and invalidating men's issues. Do you feel like most women care about men's suffering, when most women refuse to acknowledge that half the domestic abuse victims are men, near half the rape victims are men, and that the single greatest killer of men under 30 is suicide? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/04/26 06:04 AM |
| 5 | Women, especially women aware of their privilege, have made it abundantly clear that men have no reason to harbor even basic goodwill towards them or regard them as potential allies in any endeavor.most men still have that same mindset Disagree. If men as a whole wanted to treat women like slaves, there's sweet fuck all most women could do about it. Women were kept safe because men wanted to protect them. Women were given the right to vote because men wanted to give it to them. You seem to fundamentally misunderstand how men as a whole view women. I understand nearly half of all women hate men, but the reverse is simply not true. Most men like and desire women, if men hated women as much a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/04/26 06:03 AM |
| 5 | Women, especially women aware of their privilege, have made it abundantly clear that men have no reason to harbor even basic goodwill towards them or regard them as potential allies in any endeavor.I’m aware of women’s privileges. But I also understand and see men’s struggles. [...] We still hold empathy for the other sex. I think it is absolutely fantastic you think this way, but I don't think you understand this puts you in the top 10% of women who are most empathetic to men. The vast majority of women simply do not care about men, and a very loud and very active minority of women actively hate men. You understanding and seeing men's struggles, instead of immediately shutting down men's … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/04/26 06:00 AM |
| 1 | The manosphere or redpill are things men observe in the dating market and NOT something men blindly believe.Men aren't expected to approach women. Most women aren't interested in men who cold approach them. Men ABSOLUTELY ARE expected to approach women. It is the dominant cultural narrative and has been this way since basically forever. I'm sorry but pretending like this isn't true makes me think you have no idea what you're talking about. Rejection impacts both men and women. Y'all need to stop acting like men are the only ones who deal with rejection. Men aren't the ONLY ones who deal with rejection… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/04/26 10:50 PM |
| 3 | The manosphere or redpill are things men observe in the dating market and NOT something men blindly believe.I mean I agree. The difference is that largely men don't paint themselves as the more moral and better sex while pretending they have no faults. Some men do, absolutely, but it seems far more common in women. It's largely a consequence of the women-are-wonderful effect and the fact that women have been infantilized under the patriarchy to make women seem more innocent and saintly, but for some reason while feminism is ardently tackling many issues that hold women back, feminism and women at larg… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/04/26 10:42 PM |
| 5 | The manosphere or redpill are things men observe in the dating market and NOT something men blindly believe.Men are expected to be the ones to approach women, to risk rejection, expected to charm and woo her, likely to pay for the date, to entertain her, and to romance her. In contrast women largely just need to say yes to the man who approaches her, show up to the date, and let him romance her. They both have to et the other person and choose the right one, but almost the entire burden of performance lies on him. And odds are if a man does not approach women and does not risk rejection, then he will … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/04/26 02:07 PM |
| 7 | The manosphere or redpill are things men observe in the dating market and NOT something men blindly believe.Completely agree. And sometimes life is more unfair to women, and sometimes life is more unfair to men. Seems to me that as a society we often recognize when life is more unfair to women, couldn't we recognize this as one of the times when life is more unfair to men? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/04/26 06:33 AM |
| 10 | The manosphere or redpill are things men observe in the dating market and NOT something men blindly believe.Do you think some people are more challenged than others? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/04/26 05:44 AM |
| 13 | The manosphere or redpill are things men observe in the dating market and NOT something men blindly believe.For example, blindly believing that dating is easier for women. Do you blindly believe dating is easier for men? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/04/26 05:22 AM |
| 14 | The manosphere or redpill are things men observe in the dating market and NOT something men blindly believe.Research indicates that boys as young as 12 or 13 (7th grade) may turn to these online spaces to combat feelings of inadequacy or social frustration. Research ought to show us that to combat this we ought to help young men have a strong sense of self confidence and help them with social interactions. Instead as a society we've decided to tell young men they're the problem, that they have to stop raping women, and to socially frustrate and shame them even more until they comply. And then somehow … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/04/26 05:22 AM |
| 5 | The manosphere or redpill are things men observe in the dating market and NOT something men blindly believe.I actually think you are wrong about how (young) men encounter this in real life they are, for whatever reason, stunted in their teens / young adult life, Well there you go. That's how they encounter it in real life, because they are stunted in their teens. So of course if we ignore the reason why they are stunted and why they are led to the red pill, then we'll never understand why they are stunted and why they are led to the red pill. Even the red pill subreddit has to tell young men that at s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/04/26 05:19 AM |
| 9 | The manosphere or redpill are things men observe in the dating market and NOT something men blindly believe.It is. It devolves complex human behaviors into rigid rules and structures that don't always apply. And is different with every human applicable And yet, the entire field of sociology exists, precisely because while everyone may be a special snowflake, there are still general rules that apply and common behaviours that people follow, because we live in a society. Its like psychiatry. Two people can have the same mental illness. Be the same weight, gender, race, and everything. They could even be… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/04/26 05:15 AM |
| 20 | The manosphere or redpill are things men observe in the dating market and NOT something men blindly believe.developed an oversimplified, pacifying answer to those challenges that negates any need for introspection and provides a comfortable shroud of victimhood to hide in. Funny how that almost perfectly describes how so many women treat problems in dating. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/04/26 05:10 AM |
| 6 | The manosphere or redpill are things men observe in the dating market and NOT something men blindly believe.Just to know, how do you feel about the fact that feminism does the exact same thing against men, openly and unashamedly encouraging a massive ton of anti men comments, and has for decades erased the fact that half the domestic abuse victims are men and erased the fact that near half the rape victims are men? Because on the one hand we have a minority of men in red pill spaces online saying bad things about women, and then on the other hand we have women in positions of power at all levels of go… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/04/26 05:09 AM |
| 2 | Women Aren't a Monolith is Just "Not All Men" for Women.Okay? The same can be said about Epstein‘s friends. Epstein a friends don't pretend to care about equality and don't pretend to represent menvs interests. Totally different and irrelevant. Clearly not strong enough to do something about Epstein’s friends. Agreed and also irrelevant. Yeah, we just can be terrible people. What’s new? What's new is feminism pretending it isn't and cannot ever be terrible people. But hey if you're willing to admit many feminists are terrible people because of what t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/04/26 01:58 PM |
| 3 | Women Aren't a Monolith is Just "Not All Men" for Women.And they’re very easy to avoid. Given these man hating feminists can be found at all levels of feminist groups, including governmental offices for women's affairs and offices in the United Nations, and that these man hating women write policies with their hatred of men in mind, and that these man hating feminists have erased make domestic abuse victims (Duluth model) and have erased the fsct near half the rape victims are men (Mary Koss telling the CDC to specifically exclude male rape victims o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/04/26 12:51 PM |
| 2 | Women Aren't a Monolith is Just "Not All Men" for Women.The difference is that many feminists will say "yeah sure we treat all men like their potentially violent rapist murderers, but we don't HATE men". Meanwhile a man says women are overly emotional and they respond with "OMG how dare you why do you hate women you're proof that society oppresses women". If you take what feminists say about men, and apply it to literally any other minority group, feminism would be classified as a hate group. But it's not because hatred against men is fine and doesn'… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/04/26 12:33 PM |
| 5 | Women Aren't a Monolith is Just "Not All Men" for Women.I didn't mean to imply like the worst example is the norm, that's my bad I simply meant to point out the pattern in how these expressions come up, in tha they usually come up from feminists and women as a means to attack men. And I agree that not everyone who uses toxic masculinity means that men or masculinity is toxic, but that exact perspective has become so common that it can't just be ignored either. Meanwhile terms like "not all men" comes out as a way to defend against this attack. And th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/04/26 12:31 PM |
| 1 | Women Aren't a Monolith is Just "Not All Men" for Women.Right, my bad I wrote that poorly, I meant a tiny fraction of all men, who are red pilled. Even if it was all red pill Lem using AWALT, that's still a tiny fraction of all men since the vast majority of men are not red pilled. They might not literally use those words anymore, but they still have the sentiment of stereotyping the whole gender based on their own bias. I mean yeah, but you think women don't do the same? Like when they keep saying that women would totally want a morally bankrupt men… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/04/26 11:52 AM |
| 4 | Women Aren't a Monolith is Just "Not All Men" for Women.I mean most women call themselves feminists because of course being a feminist is the right and proper moral thing to be dontcha know. But yeah that kind of toxic feminist narrative is so constant and omnipresent it has leaked into general society. Meanwhile this is literally the first time I've ever heard of AWALT Yeah that's pretty much only and exclusively used within red pill circles, so if you are not within these extremely niche circles, you'll never hear it. These two things are comparabl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/04/26 04:37 AM |
| 4 | Women Aren't a Monolith is Just "Not All Men" for Women.It did start with not all men and not a monolith, but these terms and the double standards around them happen largely because of feminism. It's not so much a different discussion as it is pointing to the root cause of why these terms are being used the way they are. Naming patterns or behaviours isn’t the same as saying an entire group is that thing. You keep collapsing those into one. I mean generally I agree, and yet that is exactly what feminism and many/most feminists do every time the conve… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/04/26 04:35 AM |
| 10 | Women Aren't a Monolith is Just "Not All Men" for Women.Terms like “toxic masculinity” aren’t saying men are toxic. First off the problem the term refers to is absolutely worth addressing, and should be discussed. Rather than toxic masculinity we could use say toxic gendered expectations to show it is the expectations that are toxic, not the masculinity. The problem is part of this 2nd and 3rd point, that toxic masculinity is a horrible term for it that sounds rather pejorative and insulting, so we should get rid of that term and replace it with some… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/04/26 01:15 AM |
| 15 | Women Aren't a Monolith is Just "Not All Men" for Women.You absolutely are making a good point that "yes all men" is similar to AWALT. The difference is AWALT is used by a tiny fraction EDIT: of red pill men of men (red pilled men) /EDIT, while "all men are like that" is used and encouraged by a large majority of feminism. There's kind of a huge difference in scale, and it's doubly hypocritical when the very people who claim "yes all men" also simultaneously say "women are not a monolith". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/04/26 11:33 PM |
| 15 | Women Aren't a Monolith is Just "Not All Men" for Women.I mean you're not wrong, but apparently wording only matters when it comes to women, because toxic masculinity, fragile masculinity, mansplaining, manspreading, and "teach men not to rape" are totally fine. The problem is the very people who say they care about wording, who want to de gender language like policeman to police officer and fireman to firefighters, are also the first in line to associate men and masculinity exclusively with bad and negative things, and then throw a fit when the exac… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/04/26 11:31 PM |
| 3 | 2 core problems with modern dating: no more clear rules, and expecting immediate “magic” attraction.In this case it is not explained by fairness of the world, but by psychology. Well yes, one had bad psychology and so deserved the bad ending and the other had good psychology and so deserved the good ending. The entire problem with this perspective is it completely fails to account for good men who are single and completely fails to account for bad men who are not. It erases those two situations because it's much simpler and easier to see the world that way, and so the problems are ignored and … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/04/26 08:57 PM |
| 2 | 2 core problems with modern dating: no more clear rules, and expecting immediate “magic” attraction.The just world fallacy assumes people get what they deserve, and also conversely, that if people get something good they must have done something good to deserve it, or done skmrgning bad to deserve the consequence. Being single is "bad" so the single ones must have done something bad or be bad to deserve it. Being paired up is good so the paired up one's must have done skmrgning good or be good to deserve it. That's perfectly consistent with what the person I replied to said. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/04/26 06:09 PM |
| 3 | 2 core problems with modern dating: no more clear rules, and expecting immediate “magic” attraction.Then you're still wrong because there are single men who are confident, but who still get rejected, and insecure asshole who get partners, but who mask their insecurity as arrogance. Either way it's just an easy way to dismiss the uses men face without having to think about it. Can't really expect men to care about women's issues if women won't care about menvs issues now can we? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/04/26 04:41 PM |
| 3 | 2 core problems with modern dating: no more clear rules, and expecting immediate “magic” attraction.The single one is desperate and anxiety ridden, while the paired up one is comfortable in their own skin and is chill. This is a just world fallacy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-world_fallacy The just-world fallacy, or just-world hypothesis, is the cognitive bias that assumes that "people get what they deserve" – that actions will necessarily have morally fair and fitting consequences for the actor. For example, the assumptions that noble actions will eventually be rewarded and evil action… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/04/26 02:18 PM |
| – | Why do men think qualities that are impressive are not the bare minimum women want?Having your own place, having money, having a decent earning job, being very physically fit, dressing stylishly, having ambition, being well educated - this stuff is the bare minimum. You're totally right. And women should be beautiful, thin, have big breasts, love to cook, and want to have sex with her partner - this stuff is the bare minimum. Making random assertions out of thin air does not make them true. Either you are just flat out wrong about it being the bare minimum, or these are the ba… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/04/26 02:05 PM |
| 3 | Liberal/leftist women are the biggest hypocritesI agree with your agreement ;) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/04/26 12:55 PM |
| 6 | Q4W: Do you actually pursue men you like?meaning women actually chase and initiate with guys they like. They do. If you're not in that top 20% of dudes though that'll basically never happen to you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/04/26 08:09 PM |
| 2 | Liberal/leftist women are the biggest hypocritesI agree men haven't changed what they like, which makes it ironic both that there have been attempts to browbeat men out of their preferences for decades, as well as telling women to up their standards and never settle for less. In essence male preferences are punished while female preferences are seen as beyond reproach or criticism. Bit of a double standard there. When I was young, this whole "iT'S WhAt oN ThE InSiDe tHaT CoUnTs" was pushed a lot, for men and women btw. It never really caught … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/04/26 06:47 PM |
| 2 | Liberal/leftist women are the biggest hypocritesDo you know what a normal distribution is? Multiplying the percentages together is the likelihood of any one man being at the intersection of all those traits, and that for sure is less than 10%. We're not talking about the odds of one man being at the intersection of all the different traits, we're talking about how women pick the top 10% of men, and how different women do not all pick the same man, but that there is a lot of overlap. If we make a circle with all the men and the bullseye is the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/04/26 04:30 PM |
| 4 | Liberal/leftist women are the biggest hypocritesAnd yet society has been hard at work telling men what they should like or care about. So either all the efforts by feminism to curb the male gaze and address unrealistic beauty standards men impose on women are wrong, or we really should tell people what they should like or care about, but for some reason we've only doing it to men and women get a free pass. Sounds like a double standard to me, no matter which way we slice it. And see I don't mind at all that you feel that way. Just recognize t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/04/26 04:25 PM |
| 0 | Liberal/leftist women are the biggest hypocritesFeel free to point out how and where I put words in other peoplevs mouths. If it is a misunderstanding I'll be happy to clear it up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/04/26 04:22 PM |
| 2 | Liberal/leftist women are the biggest hypocritesIf I asked you when you stopped abusing your partner, am I just asking a question? It is poisoning the well when one builds unstated premises into a question and either calling into question the other persons character, or forcing them to defend arguments they never made. I never said anything about distributing women like they're objects, but that is exactly what her question implied, and furthermore implied I was fine with seeing women as objects to be distributed. Hence poisoning the well. ht… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/04/26 04:21 PM |
| 1 | Liberal/leftist women are the biggest hypocritesI absolutely agree that long term relationships need stability and compatibility. The man being 6' tall and having a 6' income has as much to do for the relationship's stability as the woman having big tits and a pretty face. And as a society we argue men's beauty preferences do nothing for long term stability and it is superficial and shallow for him to want a beautiful woman, but then we turn around pretend like the exact dame kind of superficial and shallow desires from women is totally fine … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/04/26 04:18 PM |
| 2 | Liberal/leftist women are the biggest hypocritesAre you guys ready to organize yourselves into a movement to convince people? We'd love to, the problem is every time men try it gets called sexist and misogynistic by feminism. or you want feminism or the government to do that for you? The thing is feminism CLAIMS to be for men too and CLAIMS to help men, but then it doesn't. I'd have no problems if feminism either didn't promise to help men, or did promise and actually followed through on it. I have big problems with feminism when it claims to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/04/26 04:10 PM |
| 1 | Liberal/leftist women are the biggest hypocritesAnd we continue to berate and browbeat men for it. So when are we going to start berating and browbeatinf women who primarily still want men who are 6' with 6 figure salary, 6 pack, educated, and successful? Can't say we're going to lambasted men for following their preferences, then turn around and tell women it's totally fine for women to follow their preferences. It's not equality at all if we treat equality like a one way street exclusively to women's benefit, now is it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/04/26 04:05 PM |
| 4 | Liberal/leftist women are the biggest hypocritesSorry to hear and definitely overweight on my end too haha. FWIW they're finding BMI is a poor tool, but extremely easy to use, and they find that people who have idéal bmi tend to have slightly more cardiac issues than people with overweight bmi, but obese has more cardiac and health issues. Peak health is apparently to not be too thin and not too fat, and amount of actual exercise even if it's just walking 1h a day is more important. Also I am happy to hear you don't blame men for not being at… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/04/26 04:03 PM |
| 0 | Liberal/leftist women are the biggest hypocritesWell yes because there's not perfect overlap. If we put 100 men in a bucket, and tell women to pick their top 10 choices, they won't all pick exactly the same 10 men out of 100. However there are many men who will be picked by almost all women, and many men who won't be picked by any of the women. Every woman is aiming for the top 10%, but women are individuals and their top 10% are not identical, but there is significant overlap. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/04/26 03:58 PM |
| 0 | Liberal/leftist women are the biggest hypocritesWe've been telling men for decades they have unrealistic beauty standards and to lower their standards. So clearly as a society we have chosen NOT to let people just go for what they want and find attractive. Except for some reason we tell men to lower their u realistic beauty standards on women, but we tell women you go gurl you deserve the best and never settle for anything less. Bit of a double standard there isn't it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/04/26 03:52 PM |
| 1 | Liberal/leftist women are the biggest hypocritesIf the primary first thing is attraction, then why are we complaining about the male gaze and men's unrealistic standards? It is simply what men like. For some reason, men's attraction and beauty standards are problematic, while women's attraction and beauty standards are perfect and beyond reproach. Bit of a double standard there. I agree with you that physical attraction is important and should not be ignored, but if we're going to tell men their beauty standards are unrealistic, why won't we … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/04/26 03:51 PM |
| 0 | Liberal/leftist women are the biggest hypocritesTell them the exact same way we enacted any wide spread change in society. It's not hard and we've been doing it for decades to tell people to treat women with more respect and all that. Why are you so incredibly defensive and dismissive? Like public healthcare, poor people not having food or shelter. Once we solve all the basic needs stuff, we can move on to dating in the hierarchy of needs. And yet we haven't solved many of those issues but we have spent a ton of time, money, and effort on wom… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/04/26 03:48 PM |
| -1 | Liberal/leftist women are the biggest hypocritesFeel free to point out where. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/04/26 03:44 PM |
| -7 | Liberal/leftist women are the biggest hypocritesWell step one would be to stop poisoning the well with disingenuous and bad faith arguments, step two would be to encourage people to go for what actually helps make happier long term relationships, instead of going for what makes ape brains go ooga booga. That means men need to care less about appearance and more about core values, and women need to care less about height education and bad boy traits and care more also about core values. Basically tell men to not go for only the more attractive… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/04/26 03:02 PM |
| 9 | Liberal/leftist women are the biggest hypocritesI hate how people just go by vibes and assume that because it feels right it must be right. I hate this trend of anti intellectualism and blind ideological bias. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/04/26 02:58 PM |
| -6 | Liberal/leftist women are the biggest hypocritesSo you don't care about logic, facts, or reality, you just care to push your ideology. Should have said that from the start, it would have saved us all a lot of time! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/04/26 02:56 PM |
| 0 | Liberal/leftist women are the biggest hypocritesIt's not top 10% out of all the categories, and not all women value all those categories the same, but the overlap is such that it's basically none of the men k the bottom 70% being wanted. Yes, more than 1% of men date, and many women say they settled for him. Not saying women refuse to date outside the top 1%, but odds are if he's not in the top 30% he desires her more than she desires him. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/04/26 02:55 PM |
| -1 | Liberal/leftist women are the biggest hypocritesTrue that. It's top 10% across looks, education, higher income, tall, and some kind of bad boy trait. It's not exclusively looks, far from it, but it's almost always dating upwards. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/04/26 02:28 PM |
| 8 | Liberal/leftist women are the biggest hypocritesDating is not a human right Technically, having access to oxygen is not a right. There are many things that aren't rights that we still consider good to address, and things "not being a right" is not an excuse to not give a fuck about them. This is the equivalent of going basically "well it's not illegal for the rich to make money so stop complaining". Having a roof, having a job, having running water, being able to have education, health care, all those are human rights. None of those are right… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/04/26 02:26 PM |
| 3 | Men present a false narrative in datingI'm not entirely clear what posts or comments you are referring to. I do see those examples of men blaming women echo chambers just as much as the women blaming men for everything echo chambers on here too. What those women are reacting too is the legion of men who DO blame women for all their dating problems. Well yes, that is a problem, and it's almost as big a problem as the legion of women who do blame men for all their problems (not just dating) and have been for 50+ years. It's not exclusi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/04/26 02:13 PM |
| 2 | If the roles were reversed do you think the average woman(as a man) would have longterm dating success with a woman in today’s society?Fair it won't work on all men, but if you think men don't cmget turned down over and over and over again when they shoot their shot you're not paying attention. Do you also know how to shoot your shot well? It's not some instant win works every single time magic, but you can bet that women shooting their shot at men will have significantly higher success than men shooting their shot at women. But you don't want to, because shooting your shot is hard and risks rejection and you can afford to sit … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/04/26 02:06 PM |
| 3 | Men present a false narrative in datingSo, you see posts where men blame women for all their problems. That happens here all the time. Yep, and they get called out on it, as they should. The problem is often there are posts when a man says "these women specifically cause this problem and it is a problem." And then a bunch of women say "you just want to blame all women for all your problems", and they basically treat any criticism of women, no matter how justified, as just men blaming women for everything. I do call out guys when I th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/04/26 02:45 AM |
| 2 | Men present a false narrative in datingOh yeah for sure, and I gave him a dozen chances but he didn't take any. Now I just troll him back and he seems to leave me alone. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/04/26 02:43 AM |
| 3 | Men present a false narrative in datingI am sorry to say this user doesn't respond at all to logic or rationality. Been dealing with him for a while, and yeah, it never gets better than this. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/04/26 01:10 AM |
| 3 | Men present a false narrative in datinglots of men are angry and mad and want to blame women for all their problems in dating. You may be surprised to hear women not only do it just as much ,they're actively encouraged to do so. Just because one side likes slinging shit around, doesn't mean everyone should do the same. If we want the shit slinging to stop, call it out as the shit slinging it is and say slinging shit won't be tolerated. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/04/26 12:42 AM |
| 5 | Men present a false narrative in datingFirst off that has absolutely nothing to do with anything, second zero actually, was in one relationship that turned controlling, toxic, and abusive, and recovered from it just in time to deal with covid. Proved what wrong? About your red herring with regards to billionnaires fooling me into being anti feminist, when it was feminists actions all along erasing male rape victims of female rapists and male domestic abuse victims of female abusers that got me there. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/04/26 09:38 PM |
| 7 | Men present a false narrative in datingDo you have anything productive to add or you've got nothing better to do than just poke fun at comments? Still waiting to hear your reply on this comment btw https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/1sgve95/comment/ofag2ll/?context=3 You gonna address how I completely proved you wrong or just going to ignore the topic completely? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/04/26 07:14 PM |
| 4 | Men present a false narrative in datingWell yes but it's usually women who offer nothing beyond her looks and presence while demanding everything. The thing about understanding others is that it just requires basic empathy and emotional intelligence, don't have to have anything to offer to understand or be understood And yet women who claim to have high empathy and high emotional intelligence, are frequently worse at understanding men than men are at understanding women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/04/26 07:06 PM |
| 6 | Men present a false narrative in datingI genuinely honestly have no idea what you're trying to say, could you rephrase it or explain? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/04/26 06:48 PM |
| 2 | More men struggle with women because more men are boringdepends how you view it. i personally don't mind if a dude is less educated than me, but he still has to actually care about being educated. That's fine but most women apparently refuse to date men who are less educated than them, or definitely see it as a minus. re the height thing - well i do happen to come from a family with 6ft members so it helps if the guy i date doesn't care how his own height compares to other people. Fine but again women are SIGNIFICANTLY more picky about a man's height… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/04/26 07:45 AM |
| 3 | Men present a false narrative in datingMost relationships are not abusive. The vast majority of people are not abusers. Agreed but that doesn't address the fundamental part that we all do a cost benefit analysis. Completely agree on being hurt being kind of inevitable, and what matters is that they didn't do it on purpose, and learn not to do it again. Because if they do do it on purpose, or even simply don't learn not to do it, then that's going to lean pretty heavily into the "cost" side and make the relationship less worth pursuin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/04/26 07:42 AM |
| 3 | More men struggle with women because more men are boringnot really. most ladies I know who are into warhammer and legos and gaming look nothing like instahotties. No sorry, I should have been clearer, I meant to say that the ladies who are into legos and warhammer and gaming, are the exception, and they confirm the rule that most women aren't into those things. I have male acquaintances that refuse to date those ladies "because they're not hot enough" On the one hand they're superficial, on the other hand they're just as superficial as the women who … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/04/26 06:41 AM |
| 3 | More men struggle with women because more men are boringi know girls who are into warhammer and legos. True, and they are the exception that confirms the rule. my advice is if you want a girl who likes the same things as you, you need to be more open to the fact that she won't look like someone who loves the gym (because she's not into the gym). Also 100% true and applies to both men and women. Basically, date on your level and lower your expectations. For some reason it's something women seem far more unwilling to do than men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/04/26 05:58 AM |
| 8 | Men present a false narrative in datingApproaching relationships from a cost/benefit perspective is some of the most dehumanizing shit I've ever seen. Eeeh I don't think it's wrong per se to make a cost benefit perspective for relationships, the cost of being in an abusive relationship is pretty damn high and not worth the benefits after all. What's dehumanizing is not the cost benefit analysis, what's dehumanizing is the dehumanization of men themselvesm to consider men not as human beings with thoughts and feelings and emotions tha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/04/26 05:55 AM |
| 8 | Men present a false narrative in dating"You go to therapy twice a week? What's wrong with you?" Solved it for you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/04/26 05:52 AM |
| 15 | Men present a false narrative in datingbut for the sake of easing their own conscience, they MUST believe that the men they're rejecting are actually bad people, rather than just unfortunates. Nailed it. How women feel about themselves when they respond to men's situation, is more important than the actual situation men face. There's a reason why "feels before reals" is a saying. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/04/26 05:50 AM |
| 19 | Men present a false narrative in datingI'm sure the shampoo and conditioner bottles were impressed with your debating skills. You see how men are really just complaining because they’re not getting sex and relationships handed to them? No but I can see how strongly you believe you think you understand men. How they enter the dating market offering nothing, yet expect everything? Oh the irony. I dont see how its not clicking for men that being in a relationship with them is a bad deal for women. Well of course it's a bad deal for wome… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/04/26 05:49 AM |
| 2 | Negging and shit-testing are the same thing.there is no way women REMOTELY engage in controlling behavior like this as much as men [...]Absolutely zero possibility women do this anywhere near as much as men. Maybe you didn't mean it to say this in a way that women could never be bad but it sounds pretty darn close to saying men are always worse, at least when it comes to controlling behaviour. And that's simply not true. I said actually I think men engage in behavior that is analogous just in a different form. Eh I can see this yeah. You … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/04/26 05:27 AM |
| 1 | Negging and shit-testing are the same thing.there is no way women REMOTELY engage in controlling behavior like this as much as men https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-63969613 https://www.psychologytoday.com/au/blog/why-bad-looks-good/202007/why-men-who-are-domestic-violence-victims-dont-report Sticking your head in the sand and ignoring a problem doesn't make it go away. Absolutely zero possibility women do this anywhere near as much as men. Sure, and absolutely zero possibility women are ever as violent as men. Except whoopsie,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/04/26 04:51 AM |
| 3 | Negging and shit-testing are the same thing.See though controlling behaviour is not a shit test, it's controlling behaviour. It also depends on whose opinion it is that it is controlling. He could be controlling because he's trying to control what she wears. On the other hand she could be trying to wear provocative and inappropriate clothing to a bar or a work event. One person's controlling could be another person's being modest. Gotta check that, she’s going to girls night out?, a man is speaking to her, dare even flirting with her? And… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/04/26 03:28 AM |
| 9 | Negging and shit-testing are the same thing.You're not likely to see a 30 year old woman do shit tests Not likely to see a mature 30 year old woman do shit tests. Growing old is mandatory, growing up is not. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/04/26 02:58 AM |
| 6 | Negging and shit-testing are the same thing.The (bad) men neg, the (bad) women shit test. So of course straight women never see shit testing, it's not done to women. Women never heard of it but I guarantee you men have heard of it and are aware of it. It's the same kind of stupid question as "would you love me if I was a worm" and getting mad at him if he answers wrong or asking leading questions she knows the answer to and gets mad when he doesn't give her the answer she wants to hear. That's the male lived experience. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/04/26 02:57 AM |
| 1 | If women have full agency in modern dating and equal power, why are negative dating outcomes usually framed as men failing women rather than women making poor choices?Verbal and emotional abuse can and does lead to suicide though, so it boils down to how do we define what is worse. The problem with that too is that it usually just devolves into a war of two people claiming what affects them is worse and what affects the other group isn't as bad, and it generally goes nowhere. We have finite resources and we allocate them where they will save lives or avoid serious physical injury. N I completely agree. The problem is there are far far far more men who are mur… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/04/26 10:26 PM |
| 1 | If women have full agency in modern dating and equal power, why are negative dating outcomes usually framed as men failing women rather than women making poor choices?How do we define what is and isn't a disproportionate amount of criticism? After all, half the domestic abuse victims are men, overwhelmingly at the hands of female abusers, but women don'T get the blame for that. But you're willing to blame ALL men for something a tiny minority of men do. 14% of women in an ER are sent there by domestic violence from a man. And this absolutely is a problem, but why are you blaming all men rather than the small minority of men who are abusers? By blaming all men… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/04/26 09:33 PM |
| 1 | If women have full agency in modern dating and equal power, why are negative dating outcomes usually framed as men failing women rather than women making poor choices?I mean I agree with you that people significantly overestimate how many good women there are due to the women are wonderful effect and for women in particular the strong in group bias. That's why I asked lemongecko, who is a woman, to see if she'll say the same ;) I am sorry to hear you're getting dismissed like that though, that absolutely sucks. I love it when men have to uncritically accept women's loved experiences, but men's lived experiences get constantly and consistently dismissed the mo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/04/26 09:18 PM |
| 2 | If women have full agency in modern dating and equal power, why are negative dating outcomes usually framed as men failing women rather than women making poor choices?Precisely, feminism never erases male victims because there are no male victims, no need to look at it or question it, just blindly accept the feminist assertion men are not and cannot be victims and take it on faith. What could possibly go wrong? You know, except for the complete erasure of the fsct half the domestic abuse victims are men and near half the rape victims are men, overwhelmingly at the hands of female abusers and female rapists. https://np.reddit.com/r/TheTinMen/comments/1ooxfm9/a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/04/26 08:57 PM |
| 4 | If women have full agency in modern dating and equal power, why are negative dating outcomes usually framed as men failing women rather than women making poor choices?You might have accidentally replied to the wrong comment. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/04/26 08:46 PM |
| 3 | If women have full agency in modern dating and equal power, why are negative dating outcomes usually framed as men failing women rather than women making poor choices?I think you might have accidentally replied to the wrong comment. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/04/26 08:44 PM |
| 3 | Why do you think so many of you guys fall for the "just world" fallacy?Just don’t trust them until they can prove I can trust them Welcome to living in society, this applies just as much to women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/04/26 08:26 PM |
| 3 | If women have full agency in modern dating and equal power, why are negative dating outcomes usually framed as men failing women rather than women making poor choices?It came straight from your comment about how you think I was trying to distract from male abusers, as though "distracting" to female abusers is either wrong or not possible Also the irony of a guy incapable of staying on topic, accusing me to stay on topic, is not lost on me. I'm apparently throwing pearls before swine. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/04/26 08:20 PM |
| 3 | If women have full agency in modern dating and equal power, why are negative dating outcomes usually framed as men failing women rather than women making poor choices?Are you implying women cannot be abusers? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/04/26 08:15 PM |
| 1 | If women have full agency in modern dating and equal power, why are negative dating outcomes usually framed as men failing women rather than women making poor choices?To be fair I tried to bring it back but he kept going off topic. Still waiting to see his reply to my comment here https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/1sgve95/comment/of8snvu/?context=3 Let's see how he proves that me pointing out that feminists erasing men's issues and encouraging hatred of men, by feminist leaders, using feminist language, is somehow the Ault of billionnaires. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/04/26 08:14 PM |
| 1 | If women have full agency in modern dating and equal power, why are negative dating outcomes usually framed as men failing women rather than women making poor choices?I don't understand what you mean, could you rephrase it? Also lol the username, is that from Free Guy? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/04/26 05:38 PM |
| 6 | If women have full agency in modern dating and equal power, why are negative dating outcomes usually framed as men failing women rather than women making poor choices?I mean if you're going to say people overestimate the number of good people overall that's fine, but if as a society we decide it's wrong do that specifically to women and minority groups, I fail to see why it wouldn't be wrong to do it against men. So allow me to ask and reframe a bit, I should have asked this first. Do you think people also overestimate the number of good women out there? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/04/26 05:37 PM |
| 9 | If women have full agency in modern dating and equal power, why are negative dating outcomes usually framed as men failing women rather than women making poor choices?You could see yourself saying that people overestimate how many good Somalians there are, overestimate how many good Muslims there are, overestimate how many good lesbian there are, and you think you won't sound prejudiced as fuck? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/04/26 05:27 PM |
| 9 | If women have full agency in modern dating and equal power, why are negative dating outcomes usually framed as men failing women rather than women making poor choices?By identity group I mean a group someone is born into that is part of their identity like race, religion, sex, sexual orientation, etc. My deal is the blatant hypocrisy and double standards where any criticism of women is seen as misogyny and is treated as unacceptable, while outright bigotry against men is seen as normal and acceptable. It's not equality at all when it's treated like a one way street exclusively to women's benefit. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/04/26 05:24 PM |
| 4 | Do you think that women have responsive desire?It's not grueling work for the woman, because she basically doesn't have to do any work and he is very easily turned on. In contrast it is grueling work for the man and most women have absolutely no idea the amount of effort they demand from their male partners. Basic romantic things, flirting, and physical touch are all things men have to work on for the benefit of the woman so that she feels it is effortless and fun. If he doesn't do it, doesn't do it enough, does it too much, or does it wrong… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/04/26 05:23 PM |
| – | If women have full agency in modern dating and equal power, why are negative dating outcomes usually framed as men failing women rather than women making poor choices?also you overestimate how many good men are out there. Could you see yourself saying this exact same thing about literally any other identity group, without sounding prejudiced as fuck? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/04/26 05:12 PM |
| 3 | When women’s struggles are invisible, everything looks like an advantageGotta love it lol basically a bunch of Karena going "well I'M not a Karen!" Very low self awareness despite constantly claiming to have high emotional intelligence. Now that I think about it it's the emotional equivalent of the Dunning Kruger effect, they're so low in emotional intelligence they have no idea how low their emotional intelligence actually is, they are quite literally incapable of actually measuring their own level of emotional intelligence and vastly overestimate themselves. And w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/04/26 09:05 PM |
| – | People need to blame women moreFreedom means the freedom to make your own choices, and no individual is responsible for fixing what another individual thinks is a societal problem. See I'd agree with you. Except individual men are frequently blamed for systemic social issues those men are not responsible for creating, but those men are still told they have to work harder to fix those issues they didn't create. For some reason that is fine, but using the exact same reasoning on women is misogynistic for some reason. It's a pre… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/04/26 08:23 PM |
| 2 | When women’s struggles are invisible, everything looks like an advantageI mean when individual women complain that can definitely be in the private sector, but then there are articles and opinion pieces saying exactly the same thing being broadcast at men. If there was a gender flipped version with male authors broadly accusing women of failing to perform what men expect from women, there are frequent out cries of how misogynistic and patriarchal and oppressive it is for men to have these expectations about women performing their duties. But the moment there are opi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/04/26 03:46 PM |
| 3 | When women’s struggles are invisible, everything looks like an advantageYou're just going to ignore everything I said and throw shade at me? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/04/26 12:17 PM |
| 2 | When women’s struggles are invisible, everything looks like an advantageI mean it's not like it happens all the time all over the place, but there is still a consistent kind of thread going on with many of the stuff that is seen online, and with many of the experiences people report having. This honestly feels like it really wouldn't be brought up nearly as much if there wasn't constant accusations of men not being accountable and not stepping up to what women want from men. If men are going to be scrutinized for every wrongdoing, then it's only fair that women unde… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/04/26 03:03 AM |
| 6 | When women’s struggles are invisible, everything looks like an advantageStop talking to women like what? And it's not that we are surrounded by women who are constantly going on like that, it's that when the topic comes up that's basically the only answer men hear constantly from the vast majority of women. Being cishet must be exhausting... Being a cishet MAN yes. If you're a cishet woman, and especially a white cishet woman, you're living in basically the best and most privileged time for women in the history of the entire planet bar none. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/04/26 11:45 PM |
| 2 | When women’s struggles are invisible, everything looks like an advantageI think it's just that recognizing their errors and bad decisions in relationships doesn't usually happen in front of you. The women who do this are most likely to be doing it in private spaces with trusted confidantes: close friends, family members, therapists. See that is totally fair too, but there is still a gap in how men generally also take accountability in public, and often get clowned on in public if they don't. You also don't see women calling out other women publicly when those women … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/04/26 11:28 PM |
| – | A lot of feminist identifying women are red-pillers when it comes to male gender roles.By all means, feel free to tell me, I always like learning new things. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/04/26 08:47 PM |
| – | A lot of feminist identifying women are red-pillers when it comes to male gender roles.Something being hypocritical doesn't make it wrong. I mean we're going to have to define what we mean by "wrong" here. Hypocrisy is by definition duplicitous, telling people to follow something one doesn't, and I'm pretty sure we can agree that duplicity, lying, and being untruthul is generally "wrong". I for one address biphobia against men constantly. So yeah, I'm nu huhing this one since you're using my sexuality as a cudgel against feminism right now. Well I'm glad you do that, but that stil… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/04/26 08:30 PM |
| – | A lot of feminist identifying women are red-pillers when it comes to male gender roles.No, but I don't have to be a person of a specific group to recognize their issues, and to recognize when their issues go ignored and dismissed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/04/26 08:28 PM |
| – | A lot of feminist identifying women are red-pillers when it comes to male gender roles.You're going to have to do more than just a "nuh huh" to prove your point. I've found feminism is profoundly hypocritical and doesn't care about equality at all, since it treats equality like a one-way street exclusively to women's benefit. The way feminism calls out biphobia against women, but allows rampant biphobia against men to go unaddressed, is a pretty damn clear example of that feminist hypocrisy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/04/26 08:09 PM |
| 5 | When women’s struggles are invisible, everything looks like an advantageHonestly, recognizing and acknowledging the issues men face would be a huge step forward. Something as simple as "that sounds hard, I'm sorry to hear you're dealing with that" instead of the more typical "yeah well men aren't entitled to women's bodies so stop whining, it's your own fault you're facing the issues you do". More concrete examples would be recognizing that there is a huge social stigma against men still, that men's feelings and emotions are not seen as valid, that men cannot expres… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/04/26 08:01 PM |
| 5 | When women’s struggles are invisible, everything looks like an advantageActing like society just calls men lazy or stupid isn’t. Are you seriously telling men what our own lived experiences are like? There’s been a pretty big push for men to talk more and get support. And none of that means anything if men get shut down, insulted, and belittled the moment men open up. There has been some progress, but that progress for men is about 50 years behind the progress for women, so there's still a very very very very long ways to go. And “believe women” was about patterns b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/04/26 07:55 PM |
| 22 | When women’s struggles are invisible, everything looks like an advantageBut do you pay attention to the difference between women who sleep with those guys and women who don't? Definitely worth paying attention to, but when the difference is between "Women who won't sleep with me but that I do easily see sleeping with Chad despite Chad's red flags" and "women who won't sleep with me and whom I don't see who they're sleeping with", men can't really notice what isn't visible to see. Men do hear all the complaints women have about men, that men are violent, abusive, won… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/04/26 07:51 PM |
| 2 | When women’s struggles are invisible, everything looks like an advantageIt's the man's fault for going with a gold digger, but it's also the gold digger's fault for choosing to be a gold digger. Him vetting poorly doesn't excuse her from being a shit person. The flip side is that in contrast women very rarely take accountability for their choices, choosing instead to blame everything on the man and refusing to consider her own faults or failures. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/04/26 07:46 PM |
| 7 | When women’s struggles are invisible, everything looks like an advantageWhile I do agree that a lot of women are bad at vetting, the same goes to men too. The difference is that women have way more choices so it seems that they are worse in it. The women have way more choices AND have much worse accountability, choosing to blame men and deny accountability and responsibility for their own choices far more than men do. And not only is this an individual thing, but society also largely goes with the "it's almost always the man's fault" narrative, criticizing men who s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/04/26 07:45 PM |
| 3 | There is a Taboo Against Making Statements Which Are Unflattering to Women as a Group; This Discussion Board is Not Evidence to the ContraryThat's not how that works, anymore than you would say that peanuts murder people who are allergic to peanuts. I'm not sure if you're trying to make a point so twisted and detached from reality that I just can't understand it, or if you genuinely think that somehow we need to blame literal innocent babies who never asked to be born, for the death of the mother in childbirth. That's a pretty fucking abhorrent way to think. You seem rather unwilling to simply recognize that life is unfair, and that… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/04/26 07:18 PM |
| 9 | There is a Taboo Against Making Statements Which Are Unflattering to Women as a Group; This Discussion Board is Not Evidence to the ContraryFirst off either you're well aware that the oldest profession is a term for prostitution and you are being deliberately obtuse and argumentative, or you are ignorant and hopelessly naive. Take your pick. Second, being a mother is not a job, any more than a man feeding himself is a job. Being a mother absolutely requires more than full time effort in the first few years, but a job is the exchange of labour for remuneration. Do try and get off your high horse and stop pretending to be so morally s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/04/26 07:14 PM |
| 3 | There is a Taboo Against Making Statements Which Are Unflattering to Women as a Group; This Discussion Board is Not Evidence to the ContraryNot you lowkey saying if men had more access to babies they’d be killing them more. And you can’t even possibly be talking about abortion with men, you mean cold blooded murder. Not necessarily cold blooded murder, accidents do happen. I'm not and have never said that men were all perfect and blameless and beyond reproach and everything is always men's fault. It's called integrity and intellectual honesty instead of blind tribalism and emotional prejudice. You should try it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/04/26 07:11 PM |
| 5 | There is a Taboo Against Making Statements Which Are Unflattering to Women as a Group; This Discussion Board is Not Evidence to the ContraryTrue that, and even most babies and infants killed are by mothers. Statistically it's more because men don't have as much access to babies, but if it was the other way around you can bet feminism wouldn't let such pesky things as "logic" and "statistics" get in the way of their desire to blame and shame men for everything. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/04/26 06:53 PM |
| 7 | There is a Taboo Against Making Statements Which Are Unflattering to Women as a Group; This Discussion Board is Not Evidence to the Contrarylol do you have actual data on women about that? You seriously think "the oldest profession" is not utterly dominated by women? At this point you're just arguing to argue. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/04/26 06:52 PM |
| 7 | There is a Taboo Against Making Statements Which Are Unflattering to Women as a Group; This Discussion Board is Not Evidence to the Contraryhave you seen the data? Men ARE often violent and dangerous. have you seen the data? Women ARE often whores and gold diggers. To which you will reply not all women and it's unfair to paint all woke with the same broad brush. To which I will say EXACTLY. But you're totally fine with painting men with a broad brush. One is rooted in evidence and the other is an unfounded belief. No actually, there both rooted in biased prejudice about the evidence. I'm pretty sure you don't agree with crime statis… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/04/26 06:43 PM |
| 3 | There is a Taboo Against Making Statements Which Are Unflattering to Women as a Group; This Discussion Board is Not Evidence to the ContraryYou're not wrong. The thing is, men are too. The difference is apparenrly it only matters when women complain about it, when men complain about being constantly and regularly torn apart daily on social media, in newspapers, in feminist articles and publications, and systematically affected by sexist policies that disadvantage men, men are told they're told their too sensitive, have fragile masculinity, toxic masculinity, that women have it worse, or that men just need to man up. Pretty big doubl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/04/26 04:07 PM |
| 2 | There is a Taboo Against Making Statements Which Are Unflattering to Women as a Group; This Discussion Board is Not Evidence to the ContraryPPD has 150k subscribers. And is largely the only subreddit that allows or tolerates these minds of discussions that doesn't immediately get labeled misogynistic woman hating red pill subreddit (even though PPD actually does get accused of that fairly often) while basically 95% of all subreddits are pretty much either "you're not allowed to day anything bad about women or feminism", or is a subreddit started by and for men precisely due to the fact men are not allowed to talk about their issues … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/04/26 04:04 PM |
| 0 | There is a Taboo Against Making Statements Which Are Unflattering to Women as a Group; This Discussion Board is Not Evidence to the ContraryThe jokes write themselves. Literally cannot make this shit up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/04/26 04:00 PM |
| 17 | There is a Taboo Against Making Statements Which Are Unflattering to Women as a Group; This Discussion Board is Not Evidence to the ContraryAnd how often have you heard or seen "men are violent", "men are rapists" "men are abusers" or "men are oppressors", here, in society at large, and in feminist circles? I'm all for calling out bigoted and untrue generalizations. For some reason it appears that it is unacceptable to do it to women, but totally fine to do it to men. Hence OP's post. Feminism treats equality like a one way street exclusively to women's benefit, and that's not equality at all now is it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/04/26 03:57 PM |
| – | A lot of feminist identifying women are red-pillers when it comes to male gender roles.Because feminism claims to be about equality. If feminism only cares about women and treats equality like a one way street exclusively to the benefit of women, then feminism is a female supremacy movement, not a movement for equality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/04/26 03:11 PM |
| – | A lot of feminist identifying women are red-pillers when it comes to male gender roles.And this reply of "its only brought up to shut down women talking about feminism" is constantly brought up against any and all criticism of feminism, as though feminism can never do any wrong. It's really tiresome when valid arguments and criticism get constantly deflected or ignored by calling into question the source or motivation of the argument, as though that makes an argument any less valid. I didn't bring this up to shut down women talking about feminism, I brought it up specifically and … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/04/26 12:28 PM |
| – | A lot of feminist identifying women are red-pillers when it comes to male gender roles.They have a lot of overlap but you can coherently be a feminist and homophobic. I mean you can but again it's kind of a double standard where feminism at large is very much completely against homophobia towards lesbian women, ostensibly against homophobis against men and supportive of gay rights (with some caveats like objectifying gay men as gay besties), actively calling out biphobia against women, and then not only not caring about biphobia against men, but actively denying and refusing to ad… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/04/26 12:21 PM |
| – | A lot of feminist identifying women are red-pillers when it comes to male gender roles.There is a difference to being supportive towards the LGBTQ rights and not wanting to date someone that’s in that group. Ah but see when men don't want to date trans women, men get told they're transphobic. Again, another great example of double standards and hypocrisy to blame men when they do a certain bad behaviour, and excuse women and avoid accountability when women do the exact same behaviour. And biphobia is coming from other men, not women and certainly not feminism. So we're just going … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/04/26 12:08 PM |
| – | A lot of feminist identifying women are red-pillers when it comes to male gender roles.Women can be just as shitty as men, what they usually aren’t is as physically imposing. That’s literally it. Yes but see a man saying that must be a misogynistic incel woman-hater, there can be no other reason or justification for men saying this. There's a lot of pushback from women against men calling out any kind of bad behaviour in women, and the "women are innocent angels men are evil oppressors" angle is very commonly pushed in feminist circles. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/04/26 06:46 AM |
| – | A lot of feminist identifying women are red-pillers when it comes to male gender roles.Except for the fact that feminism claims to be very strongly supportive of LGBTQ rights and frequently address biphobia against women, but completely fails to acknowledge or call out the rampant biphobia against men that is basically endemic in feminism. That's kind of a biggie. A group doesn't get to claim to be against racism, and then have no problem with members of the KKK joining in. If KKK members are comfortable being there, that group isn't against racism. And if the rampant biphobia aga… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/04/26 06:44 AM |
| – | A lot of feminist identifying women are red-pillers when it comes to male gender roles.I mean it is the most glaring example of hypocrisy and double standards in modern feminism and most modern women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/04/26 05:14 AM |
| – | The ‘manic pixie’ is an immature fantasy, but women are only hostile to it because it’s one of *their* fantasies in a role-reverseI mean there's the saying of first they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they attack you, then you win. We're entering the "attack" part, and the more rabidly anti-men feminists become, the more unhinged they will appear to everyone else, and the more power they will lose. So yeah there is escalating misandry and rising pathologizing of men, but that makes those issues more visible, they can't just be ignored and dismissed anymore. Feminism is showing its true man-hating colours. And it … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/04/26 01:47 AM |
| 2 | The ‘manic pixie’ is an immature fantasy, but women are only hostile to it because it’s one of *their* fantasies in a role-reverseUnfortunately you are not wrong. I think things are starting to become better, the guy over at r/thetinmen is doing a fantastic job of bringing resources to light and making fantastic and easy to share graphs, I encourage you to go see him. Society is also FINALLY starting to recognize that maybe constantly calling men toxic and evil and oppressors might just be bad for men's mental health, and they're starting to recognize that dating is kinda fucked for men after some 50% of men under the age … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/04/26 02:54 PM |
| 2 | The way some people talk about male loneliness kinda of reinforces the point of why men don't really have a lot of safe spaces to be emotionally openbut it’s just recycled internet math that doesn’t line up with real life. https://heartafact.com/research-45-of-young-men-have-never-approached-a-woman/ "Research: 45% of young men have never approached a woman" You think any of those men have ever been approached BY a woman? 'Top 10% of men’ isn’t a stat, it’s a coping narrative. If it were real, most men wouldn’t be in relationships, and society wouldn’t function the way it does. No see it's women only approaching the top 10% of men. The other… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/04/26 04:57 AM |
| 1 | The ‘manic pixie’ is an immature fantasy, but women are only hostile to it because it’s one of *their* fantasies in a role-reverseI generally agree, though women do care about objectification of women as sex objects. The term objectification is very loaded however so maybe if we renamed it to "stripped of their personhood/humanity", that they are not seen or treated as a person. The thing most women don't realize or understand, and part of it is because men don't really express this properly and society jut doesn't give a fuck about men enough to care and listen, but men are also FREQUENTLY dehumanized and stripped of thei… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/04/26 03:16 AM |
| 1 | Women approaching men should be the norm.Haha thanks I try. This is why I don’t ask women for advice on approaching women; they don’t m is how to do it. They don't know how to do it and they don't have a clue how most other women react and treat men (poorly in general). When you as a man ask a woman for advice on how to approach women, largely they don't put themselves in the shoes of the man asking the woman out, they put themselves in the shoes of the woman being asked out, so they tell the men to do what she herself would like done … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/04/26 03:11 AM |
| 1 | The ‘manic pixie’ is an immature fantasy, but women are only hostile to it because it’s one of *their* fantasies in a role-reverseI agree, it feels like logic and reason has been going out the window since before then even, on the one hand there's the Republican cult of personality and disregard for logic and education, and on the other hand there's the leftist disregard for logic and focus on being offended and appearing morally righteous and outraged. You've got logic and reason in the middle getting attacked by both sides, and neither sides like logic or reason because it requires effort and accountability. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/04/26 03:04 AM |
| 3 | The ‘manic pixie’ is an immature fantasy, but women are only hostile to it because it’s one of *their* fantasies in a role-reverseYou think E. L. James who wrote 50 shades wrote it to become a millionnaire? It's easier than ever to publish novels and easier than ever to lose money publishing books. If you think authors are soulless mercenaries who only see money then 1) publishers maybe, authors not so much, 2) it wasn't men who made 50 Shades an international best seller, wasn't a man who wrote 50 shades, so don't go complaining to men about it. There's just not a market for male genre romance the way there is for women's… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/04/26 01:14 AM |
| 0 | The ‘manic pixie’ is an immature fantasy, but women are only hostile to it because it’s one of *their* fantasies in a role-reverseOh yeah I hear you. I love how so many of the strong empowered female characters are basically pure toxic masculinity, but in a female body, so that makes it badass. There are still some good ones, Project Hail Mary was great. I'm looking forward to the next Dune too, to see what happens. If you haven't seen it Bullet Train is fantastic. The accountant, Nobody 1 and 2, of course the John Wick series, Free Guy, Deadpool, and why the heck not Goat, were all good movies too. Oh and Andor, absolutel… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/04/26 01:11 AM |
| 1 | The way some people talk about male loneliness kinda of reinforces the point of why men don't really have a lot of safe spaces to be emotionally openThe vast majority of men have had at least something. The problem with Reddit is these men’s doomer worldview prevents this. That's a bit like saying the vast majority of men aren't homeless, so they should be happy about that and Ig ore the multi billionaires. The problem with reddit is that it calls out inconvenient and u comfortable facts many don't want to think about. I'm not treating reddit like it's a neutral sample of reality. I'm treating reddit like it points out issues in reality that… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/04/26 12:55 AM |
| 7 | The way some people talk about male loneliness kinda of reinforces the point of why men don't really have a lot of safe spaces to be emotionally openSo, to get back on track on the points you avoided, do you have anything to say about how men didn't have the right to vote from 49 BCE till 1918, and that then women then received the right to vote within 50 years? Anything to say about how men voted to give women the right to vote of their own free will? Anything to say about how feminism constantly erases the men who helped and fought with women, to try and push a fake narrative of men vs women? Anything to say about the fact that if a woman … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/04/26 09:50 PM |
| 6 | The way some people talk about male loneliness kinda of reinforces the point of why men don't really have a lot of safe spaces to be emotionally openIt's so common to hear "women have all the power in family courts so instead of spending money to fight it I just gave her full custody." You know that is fair and that is very common. I did not say that, but I can understand that this is what you understood from my post. I meant it more like telling fathers that if they want custody they better damn well prepare to fight for it. I want men to be prepared and ready, not to give up. It does NOT help men to make courts out to be way more daunting … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/04/26 09:24 PM |
| 3 | Women secretly love the Patriarchy because it benefits them in too many ways that they aren't gonna admit.Are you capable of recognizing that men contribute to the own stasis of their gender roles Absolutely. The problem is that it is almost always painted as men's own fault while completely ignoring the larger systemic and social issues as well as women's influence, and when it comes to women's issues it's always seen as larger systemic and social issues and men's fault while dismissing women's own contribution to the stasis of their gender role. E.g., proposing to a man can be considered humiliati… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/04/26 09:11 PM |
| 11 | The way some people talk about male loneliness kinda of reinforces the point of why men don't really have a lot of safe spaces to be emotionally openOh see for sure women had to fight for a century to get the right to vote. It'S just men had to vote for 2 millenia to get it as well. Men didn't have the right to vote until 1918. Men didn't have the right to vote in the 1800s, 1600s, 1200s, or any century prior to that back to 49 BCE in Rome. SOME men had a right to vote, but the vast overwhelming majority of men did not. It was not a GENDER issue, it was a CLASS issue. So men got the full right to vote in 1918 in the UK, and a short few decad… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/04/26 08:35 PM |
| -1 | Women secretly love the Patriarchy because it benefits them in too many ways that they aren't gonna admit.I'm not blaming women for everything and treating men like unaccountable babies. I am blaming people precisely for the things they are responsible or guilty of. The vast majority of women do not approach men. Many of them think they do, by talking to the guy, or winking at the guy, or any number of other things that instead signals that she is open for him to approach her. If she's not outright asking him out and risking rejection, she is not approaching, she is signaling that she wants him to a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/04/26 08:00 PM |
| -3 | Women secretly love the Patriarchy because it benefits them in too many ways that they aren't gonna admit.Based on basically every single study that has ever been done in dating apps and every study that has observed dating IRL. Bumble was an app that would prevent men from approaching women and let women approach men. It failed miserably, because women didn't like that and didn't want to approach men. But sure let's pull it down to 90% of women. Doesn't change much of anything, an exception to the rule is still an exception to the rule. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/04/26 07:36 PM |
| 14 | The way some people talk about male loneliness kinda of reinforces the point of why men don't really have a lot of safe spaces to be emotionally openyet there a numerous subreddits, podcasts, channels, radio shows that are dedicated to complaining about it. Dunno about radio shows bit it's largely because men complaining and talking about their issues is not tolerated outside of the internet. In contrast feminists and women complaining about their issues is acceptable at literally all levels of government, including the UN's office for women's issues. Also you again have to ignore all the people in actual power working actively to limit the … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/04/26 07:19 PM |
| 4 | The way some people talk about male loneliness kinda of reinforces the point of why men don't really have a lot of safe spaces to be emotionally openI break things up into quotes to address specific points. If you have women throwing themselves at you, congrats for being in the top 10% of men. Your experiences are far from universal. The vast majority of men will basically never have that, so enioy your luck. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/04/26 07:14 PM |
| 10 | The way some people talk about male loneliness kinda of reinforces the point of why men don't really have a lot of safe spaces to be emotionally openYep, they fall under the camp of "feminists", they hope to get brownie points and get rewarded for their good behaviour. It's simping, and it's funny how feminism basically never addresses simping specifically, it never discourages men from doing more for women, it just repeatedly tells men they're not entitled to anything from women for all the free help and support they give. They never speak against getting frees shit, and actively encourage men to give more free time/money/effort/attention. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/04/26 06:34 PM |
| – | Women collectively bring up extremely silly arguments to prove that they "have it harder" than men (Spoiler: They do not)Feminist organizations deny to their dying breath that men are half the domestic abuse victims and near half the rape victims. You'll never find those statistics on feminist websites. The information is not "readily available" and when it is, it gets constantly attacked and dismissed by women and feminists. Feel free to continue ignoring the problem, that doesn't mean the problem goes away, it just shows your deliberate ignorance. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/04/26 06:17 PM |
| 14 | The way some people talk about male loneliness kinda of reinforces the point of why men don't really have a lot of safe spaces to be emotionally openthen yea the responses from strangers on the internet will be “you’re not entitled” No the response from women and feminists is "you're not entitled". The average man doesn't say that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/04/26 06:15 PM |
| 13 | The way some people talk about male loneliness kinda of reinforces the point of why men don't really have a lot of safe spaces to be emotionally openI huge issue is men themselves can’t even articulate what this loneliness is, it told to get friends and find hobbies and what not they’ll say “but it’s romantic loneliness we mean that can’t be satiated with friends!” Completely agree, this is a huge problem, and it's largely due to the large, systemic, and ever-present emotional neglect and emotional oppression of men. Men largely are not taught the language on how to talk about their feelings, and are largely punished for daring to explore th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/04/26 06:14 PM |
| 11 | The way some people talk about male loneliness kinda of reinforces the point of why men don't really have a lot of safe spaces to be emotionally openI’d argue that women have a whole lot more romantic loneliness than they will tell you. I disagree. I think men have tremendously more romantic loneliness, but men don't talk about that, because it's seen as weak and unmanly and gets men punished by women if men admit to this. Men have more loneliness overall AND more romantic loneliness than women. Women have higher EXPECTATIONS of romance and reality falls short of their extremely high EXPECTATIONS, but the reality is that women still largely … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/04/26 06:08 PM |
| -2 | Women secretly love the Patriarchy because it benefits them in too many ways that they aren't gonna admit.Congratulations, you are the exception that proves the rule. Those women like you do in fact exist. Sadly, the other 99% of women are not like that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/04/26 06:03 PM |
| -5 | Women secretly love the Patriarchy because it benefits them in too many ways that they aren't gonna admit.Tearing down the patriarchy doesn't remove the violent men. It removes the men who stand between the woman and the violent men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/04/26 06:02 PM |
| 2 | The ‘manic pixie’ is an immature fantasy, but women are only hostile to it because it’s one of *their* fantasies in a role-reverseThat is totally fair and absolutely is a problem. In many ways men are also not allowed to be sad or feel defeated, men must either be happy, strong, and anger is tolerated, anything else gets harshly punished. We really need to talk about these unhealthy expectations forced on people. Toxic masculinity kind of touches on the subject but it's an incredibly bad term for the problem, it should be renamed toxic gendered expectations. There are toxic expectations forced on men by women and by men, a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/04/26 06:00 PM |
| 2 | The ‘manic pixie’ is an immature fantasy, but women are only hostile to it because it’s one of *their* fantasies in a role-reverseYou are commenting over text in a political environment where the most powerful man on the planet is a pedophile who is actively tanking the world economy so people stop talking about that fact he's a pedophile... Remember too that 45% of the votes that got that man there was from women. I have no choice but to assume the wildest takes on the internet are 100% truthful That's a recipe for outrage and extremes, not truth. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/04/26 05:56 PM |
| 9 | The ‘manic pixie’ is an immature fantasy, but women are only hostile to it because it’s one of *their* fantasies in a role-reverseIt’s the fact that Hollywood only seems to have/used to have a few tropes for women, this being one of them, and that these characters usually are not very fleshed out and seem to only exist to develop the male character Gender-flip this and welcome to every single romance movie and novel ever written for women since forever. And god forbid if you ever try to say that romance should be aimed more at men for the benefit of men for what men want, you'll get called a sexist and misogynist and more.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/04/26 05:54 PM |
| – | Women collectively bring up extremely silly arguments to prove that they "have it harder" than men (Spoiler: They do not)that information, porn, red pill content, project 2025 — are all easily searchable and available at the touch of a button The information that men are half the domestic abuse victims and near half the rape victims? Then why is feminism constantly trying to suppress, deny, and discredit that information? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/04/26 05:45 PM |
| – | Women collectively bring up extremely silly arguments to prove that they "have it harder" than men (Spoiler: They do not)No one is hiding anything from anyone anymore — all that information is out there if one feels the need to find it The fact feminism is constantly, consistently hiding the fact men are half the domestic abuse victims and near half the rape victims shows that no, there are in fact a lot of people hiding a lot of things from others, because recognizing men face similar issues as, and a similar amount of issues as women, utterly collapses the feminist "evil strong patriarchal men oppress poor innoc… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/04/26 05:23 PM |
| – | Women collectively bring up extremely silly arguments to prove that they "have it harder" than men (Spoiler: They do not)Let me correct you. People would rather be men because they assume men have it easier. You'd think if men did in fact have it easier, men wouldn't be 80% of murder victims, 80% of suicide victims, 95% of workplace fatalities, 80% of homeless people, half the domestic abuse victims, half the rape victims, die more of virtually every single disease and cancer in the book, have a shorter life expectancy than women, and make up less than 40% of university graduates in the West. People come to conclu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/04/26 03:42 PM |
| – | Women collectively bring up extremely silly arguments to prove that they "have it harder" than men (Spoiler: They do not)Making rules to stop people from pointing out double standards and hypocrisy won't make the double standards and hypocrisy go away. Any argument used against men, that would sound incredibly racist or prejudiced if it was used against literally any other minority group, means the original argument is incredibly prejudiced in the first place. I don't see why we should oppose prejudice against minorities, but allow and encourage prejudice against majorities. Either prejudice is bad or it is not. T… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/04/26 03:08 AM |
| 2 | Women collectively bring up extremely silly arguments to prove that they "have it harder" than men (Spoiler: They do not)Someone should tell that to feminism, they've been missing the memo for near on 200 years now. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/04/26 04:13 PM |
| 0 | Women approaching men should be the norm.People here say anything just for the sake of arguing Mostly women though. Men tend to at least stick to a rational argument instead of saying whatever comes to mind to win the argument, even if it's the complete opposite of what they said a few replies earlier. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/04/26 04:55 AM |
| 10 | Women approaching men should be the norm.women will warm approach, plenty do. and yes their approach is often a bit passive but it's an approach. Is it an approach, or is it a signal to get the man to make the approach? Unless she is actually approaching him, and talking to him first, she is not approaching. She is signaling her availability in the hopes he approaches, so she doesn't have to approach, she doesn't have to risk her ego, and she doesn't have to risk being rejected. Some women's idea of "approaching" is to stare at a man a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/04/26 04:53 AM |
| 2 | Women collectively bring up extremely silly arguments to prove that they "have it harder" than men (Spoiler: They do not)are you that easily triggered by the fact that the biggest threat to both men and women are other men? No I'm easily triggered by lies and slander. That’s not all men but considering men are the biggest percentage of criminals and are responsible for the laws you live by And the overwhelming majority of men are not criminals but you're apparently to paint all men with the same broad brush. Would you use that exact same argument against any other minority groups? Muslims make up the biggest perce… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/04/26 02:50 AM |
| 4 | Women collectively bring up extremely silly arguments to prove that they "have it harder" than men (Spoiler: They do not)This is not true. Once again: "CDC data indicates over 1 in 3 women and over 1 in 6 men experience sexual violence, physical violence, or stalking by an intimate partner in their lifetime" I'll also add just a few more facts and statistics for this to show I'm not just making shit up. https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/en/pub/85-002-x/2016001/article/14303-eng.pdf?st=G3YeIgkV In 2014, slightly more men (4.2%) than women (3.5%) reported being victims of spousal violence during the preceding 5 years.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/04/26 02:38 AM |
| 1 | Women collectively bring up extremely silly arguments to prove that they "have it harder" than men (Spoiler: They do not)Fair enough and I won't continue it, but she started it. By implying that women and men are victims of men, and that I am a man, she is directly implying I personally and every other man, victimises men and women. Might not be what she meant to say but that is the direct logical consequence of what she said. I'm just using the exact same logic back on her. She's free to clarify her language to not directly imply that the entire male half of the population victimizes others. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/04/26 02:32 AM |
| 3 | Women collectively bring up extremely silly arguments to prove that they "have it harder" than men (Spoiler: They do not)Still can’t find anywhere in this thread that anyone made any claims against “all men” or whatever you’re on about. Anytime anyone says "men are rapists" or "men are violent" they're making a claim against all men. They're not saying "the men who are violent" or "the men who are rapists". That might be what they MEANT to say, but that's not what they ACTUALLY said. If men have to be careful with their words, then I fail to see why we should give women a pass. If the gender-flipped version would … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/04/26 02:30 AM |
| 3 | Women collectively bring up extremely silly arguments to prove that they "have it harder" than men (Spoiler: They do not)Where did she say men should fix the fact that nurses and teachers aren't paid enough? Where she said But since men are the ones dictating what's important and what isn't, obviously garbage man's work is going to be more "important" than nurses, mothers and teachers. It's rather clearly saying the problem is men's fault since men decided what job is and isn't important (and therefore which should be paid more), and implying that men ought to fix it because it's men's fault this problem exists in… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/04/26 01:53 AM |
| 3 | Women collectively bring up extremely silly arguments to prove that they "have it harder" than men (Spoiler: They do not)Feminism is not a faith. It is about aiming for equal rights. It is not about taking away men's rights. Except for the part where feminism basically rewrites history to try and push the "men oppressing women" angle at all costs even when it doesn't make sense historically, feminsim always pushes for more rights for women and treats equality like a one-way street exclusively to the benefit of women, and feminism actively erases, invalidates, and dismisses the fact that men are half the domestic a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/04/26 01:50 AM |
| 2 | Women collectively bring up extremely silly arguments to prove that they "have it harder" than men (Spoiler: They do not)Okay then, a majority of women in the US are racist. Why are you upset at men for the racist choices of women? Why aren't you blaming white women for electing Trump then? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/04/26 10:35 PM |
| 5 | Women collectively bring up extremely silly arguments to prove that they "have it harder" than men (Spoiler: They do not)The manosphere is very loosely defined and different parts of it day different things. Feminism likes to group it all together and paint it all in the worst light possible, so you're going to have to be a bit more specific about which part of the manosphere you are talking about. I am aware there are parts of the manosphere and red pill community who have rather disgusting language about men. It's about as disgusting as the language that many of the more extreme feminists use to talk about men. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/04/26 10:25 PM |
| 1 | Women collectively bring up extremely silly arguments to prove that they "have it harder" than men (Spoiler: They do not)Male competition is overt, often based on physical capabilities, and sometimes violent. Stating facts is not demonization. Feel free to point out if the facts are wrong rather than just complaining that you don't like reality | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/04/26 10:21 PM |
| 2 | Women collectively bring up extremely silly arguments to prove that they "have it harder" than men (Spoiler: They do not)Imagine being able to almost always orgasm from sex AND to do so multiple times. I mean everyone is responsible for their own diet, their own clothing, and their own pleasure in sex. If a woman likes a man and wants him to give her more pleasure, she can either teach him to do better or find another man. Men aren't happy with women who just do starfish sex either, so it's not like men never face this issue either. Welcome to taking accountability and responsibility for your own actions and your … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/04/26 10:18 PM |
| 0 | Women collectively bring up extremely silly arguments to prove that they "have it harder" than men (Spoiler: They do not)All of our collective problems are caused by the men in power If the common point is the people in power, why are you blaming half the men on the planet for something less than 0.01% of men have any power or control over? You're painting with a brush so broad it covers half the planet. When you paint with that broad a brush and that 99%+ of the people you attack with your words are completely innocent, you are actively turning that innocent 99% against you and against your cause, when they could… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/04/26 09:55 PM |
| 8 | Women collectively bring up extremely silly arguments to prove that they "have it harder" than men (Spoiler: They do not)I mean I kinda agree, if anything it's the rich people's world, and that excludes 99%+ of the people on the planet. Wealth is the single largest and most important privilege, but for some reason it gets constantly ignored and sidelined in favour of ever smaller and ever less relevant aspects in identity politics. Everyone would have a better life and everyone's share of the pie would be bigger, if we all united to cut down the absolutely gigantic piece of the pie the rich have cut for themselves… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/04/26 09:52 PM |
| 1 | Women collectively bring up extremely silly arguments to prove that they "have it harder" than men (Spoiler: They do not)Of course they are, the patriarchy theory is one of the main tenets of the feminist faith. They can't define it, can't prove it, and can't measure it, but it's everywhere at once and responsible for anything and everything they don't like, despite the fsct it's virtually invisible and impossible to define. You just gotta stop thinking rationally and start thinking with feminist faith, then it all makes sense! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/04/26 09:49 PM |
| 2 | Women collectively bring up extremely silly arguments to prove that they "have it harder" than men (Spoiler: They do not)Of course it makes sense. You just have to remember some of the main tenets of the feminist faith is that men are alway bad, it's always men's fault, and women are innocent oppressed victims who can do no wrong. Strangely enough, everything feminism and feminists do and say makes perfect sense in light of those faith based assumptions. And if reality and facts ever disagree with those feminist faith-based assumptions, it is reality that is wrong! It's very simple you see you just have to stop th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/04/26 09:47 PM |
| 22 | Women collectively bring up extremely silly arguments to prove that they "have it harder" than men (Spoiler: They do not)But for some reason every man gets blamed despite the fact that the man's world benefits a vanishingly small amount of men. As a society were bending over backwards to try and address each and every one of women's issues, while actively not giving a fuck about men's issues, but we still don't call it a woman's world... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/04/26 09:43 PM |
| 1 | Women collectively bring up extremely silly arguments to prove that they "have it harder" than men (Spoiler: They do not)In many respects yes. Women are much more free to express themselves, whether they are happy or sad or upset, can dress much more freely, generally receive more warmth and consideration than most men do, have a literal multi billion dollar political machine explicitly dedicated to women's issues and women's problems, and while women do still face lots of issues we've made a lot of work to get those issues to be recognized. A female rape or domestic abuse victim is likely to be taken much more se… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/04/26 09:42 PM |
| 1 | Women collectively bring up extremely silly arguments to prove that they "have it harder" than men (Spoiler: They do not)There are some interesting videos by m'ait Willet on YouTube about how female intra sexual competition works. Male competition works by being better than the other guy so the women pick you Women don't have to compete to attract guys, most guys come to women. Women also dislike direct and open confrontation. As a result female competition is less about showing oneself to be the best choice, and more about sabotaging the other women with gossip, reputation destruction, and social exclusion. In ma… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/04/26 07:55 PM |
| 7 | Women collectively bring up extremely silly arguments to prove that they "have it harder" than men (Spoiler: They do not)One of the things that bothers me is women don't day they do it, but when you look at what they believe and what they argue for, that's what it boils down to. It's a kind of soft hidden passive discrimination many actively engage in, and then they deny they are doing it. Many also actually believe they aren't doing it, even while they are actively doing it. It's a level of self deception I rarely see in men, because men often get smacked in the face with the consequences of their self deception … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/04/26 07:43 PM |
| 6 | Women collectively bring up extremely silly arguments to prove that they "have it harder" than men (Spoiler: They do not)It's kind of sad how hoe math paints it in his YouTube videos, that the bottom 70% of men are effectively invisible for women and don't count as people. Not all women do this of course, but a loooot of them do, and it's basically actively encouraged by feminism to only look at the top men, pretend that applies to all men, and ignore all the men whom that doesn't apply to, as though those men don't exist. Gotta love how men objectifying women as sex objects is totally wrong and immoral, but women… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/04/26 05:56 PM |
| 7 | Women collectively bring up extremely silly arguments to prove that they "have it harder" than men (Spoiler: They do not)Comparing childbirth to having a job is point blank ridiculous. Cool, we have now both made assertions, and now we both have to actually back them up with arguments using logic and facts to argue our points. I've done that already, you've just basically said "that's bullshit" and given me no reason at all to actually agree with you. self care is not the same as reproduction of the human body. You're going to have to make an argument for why I should believe that instead of just making point blan… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/04/26 05:44 PM |
| 6 | Women collectively bring up extremely silly arguments to prove that they "have it harder" than men (Spoiler: They do not)And we would die as a species if people didn't work to feed themselves. Doing things for oneself is not a job. A job is an exchange of labour for money. If you're not exchanging your labour to someone else, then you're not working a job. Having your own kid is not an exchange of labour any more than feeding oneself is. Besides, in the US being a surrogate mother pays around 120 to 180k, so actually being pregnant and giving birth pays quite well and requires no special knowledge, education, or s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/04/26 05:23 PM |
| 6 | Women collectively bring up extremely silly arguments to prove that they "have it harder" than men (Spoiler: They do not)Giving birth is an unpaid job that’s more dangerous than many dangerous jobs that men do. Surrogacy being 120k to 180k for 9 months shows its actually a rather highly paid job. Giving birth to your own kids is an unpaid job the same way men cutting their own hair is an unpaid job. Nobody is going to pay you to feed yourself or clothe yourself or do anything for yourself. Saying that giving birth is an unpaid job is an extremely dishonest and bad faith argument, especially since being paid to hav… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/04/26 05:12 PM |
| 26 | Women collectively bring up extremely silly arguments to prove that they "have it harder" than men (Spoiler: They do not)And yet the 90% of non Chad men catch the blame for the 10% of Chad's. Men get told not to blame all women for the actions of a few and to be careful with their words, while women are actively encouraged to blame all men for the actions of a few, and trying to point that out gets called misogynistic patriarchal oppression of women. Gotta love the double standards. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/04/26 05:01 PM |
| 4 | Women collectively bring up extremely silly arguments to prove that they "have it harder" than men (Spoiler: They do not)Yeah but see googling stuff undermines the feminist bareativr of women always being the most est oppressed est group evaasrrrr and how white men are the absolute worst who always have everything so easy. How could they maintain their delusion of victimhood if they actually bothered to care about facts? Why do you keep trying to oppress them with your white colonial patriarchal concepts of truth? I wish this was sarcastic instead of a semi accurate representation of that kind of mindset. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/04/26 05:00 PM |
| 1 | Women collectively bring up extremely silly arguments to prove that they "have it harder" than men (Spoiler: They do not)There are actually many people who say that women should discriminate against men. Pretending they don't exist doesn't make the problem go away, they need to be called out just the same as the people who say men should discriminate against women. Saying that all men are potentially violent rapists or murderers, and women can't tell apart the good men from the bad men, to justify why women should treat all men like they're potentially viopnebt murderous rapists by default until or unless proven o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/04/26 04:56 PM |
| 3 | Women collectively bring up extremely silly arguments to prove that they "have it harder" than men (Spoiler: They do not)When women say "men are violent" or "men are rapists" that's literally what they are doing. They are blaming all men. That might not be what they MEANT to say, but that is what they are actually saying. If we're going to tell men to police their language and be careful not to say hurtful or offensive things, I fail to see why women should be given a free pass. We just don’t know which men are the violent men. And we conduct ourselves as such. If I don't know which Muslims are suicide bombers, sh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/04/26 03:29 PM |
| 5 | Women collectively bring up extremely silly arguments to prove that they "have it harder" than men (Spoiler: They do not)the point about gendered violence is not “who dies more,” it’s who experiences more sex-based oppression Who gets to decide what the point is? Because from where I'm sitting it looks an awful lot like the pointis picking whichever point makes women look like the biggest victims no matter what while completely ignoring and erasing men's issues. And that sounds like an awfully sexist thing to do, to decide whose issues matter or not simply based on whether they were born with a penis or a vagina. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/04/26 02:44 PM |
| 3 | Women collectively bring up extremely silly arguments to prove that they "have it harder" than men (Spoiler: They do not)I didn't look into the racial disparity of women voting, but I fail to see how that's relevant. I didn't try to broaden anything, I just stayed the facts. Care to expand and make an argument? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/04/26 02:39 PM |
| 7 | Women collectively bring up extremely silly arguments to prove that they "have it harder" than men (Spoiler: They do not)46% of voters who voted for Trump were women. Why do you blame men and only men, when women are equally to blame? 43% of voters who voted for Harris were men. Why do you ignore the fact that nearly half of all voters for Harris were men? You seem to be completely ignoring the fault and responsibility of women, while ignoring all the things "good men" do, and solely and uniquely blaming all men for all the problems. Do you think that's a reasonable perspective to take, to blame 50% of the populat… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/04/26 02:38 PM |
| 4 | Women collectively bring up extremely silly arguments to prove that they "have it harder" than men (Spoiler: They do not)Yeah, but the average male isn't in danger. Most violence against men is in gang related settings. The average male is in far more danger than the average female. What's your evidence that most violence against men is gang related? Is it 30% of violence? 50%? The average middle class man is not in danger And the average middle class woman is in even less danger than the average middle class man. The average woman has been physically, sexually, emotionally or verbally assaulted And so has the ave… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/04/26 02:34 PM |
| 2 | Women collectively bring up extremely silly arguments to prove that they "have it harder" than men (Spoiler: They do not)Yeah, but your average man voted those men in and worshiped the billionaires like Elon. Fun fact near half the votes for Trump were from women. Why aren't you blaming all women for that? Is it because you think women can do no wrong and men are always to blame for everything? Its like men constantly vote for men they idolize because of power and money those men have and then get surprised when those powerful rich men stomp on the average and or poor men who voted them in So how do you account fo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/04/26 02:26 PM |
| – | Women collectively bring up extremely silly arguments to prove that they "have it harder" than men (Spoiler: They do not)Bless you that you are so naive to think that ignoring how people constantly misinterpret and misrepresent issues will have no consequences. Ignorance is bliss as they say, and sadly I can't be as blissfully ignorant as you because I care to actually solve the problem, not just repeat feel-good platitudes. That’s not all men but considering men are the biggest percentage of criminals and are responsible for the laws you live by and how much money you have. And the vast overwhelming majority of m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/04/26 02:25 PM |
| -1 | Women collectively bring up extremely silly arguments to prove that they "have it harder" than men (Spoiler: They do not)All of our collective problems are caused by the men in power Then blame that 0.01% of men in power, not all men. Usually billionaires and politicians who the majority of which are men. And the vast overwhelming majority of men are not billionaires and politicians so why are you blaming homeless men for the actions of billionnaires? Again, by your exact same logic you should be treated like a whore because some women are whores and you are a woman. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/04/26 02:22 PM |
| 12 | Women collectively bring up extremely silly arguments to prove that they "have it harder" than men (Spoiler: They do not)Almost all of your points are a wealth inequality issue, not a gendered one. And yet for some reason most of those problems are treated like it's men's fault and treated as a gendered issue, instead of seeing it as a wealth inequality issue of rich VS poor. And if you want fewer men to be in prison, tell them to commit less crimes. Not hard right? So should we tell racial minorities to commit less crimes? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/04/26 02:20 PM |
| 6 | Women collectively bring up extremely silly arguments to prove that they "have it harder" than men (Spoiler: They do not)Remember then you're more likely to be single, sexless, depressed, suicidal, homeless, have far less friends, be less educated, more likely to be victim of violent assault, wually likely to be victim of domestic abuse, a most as likely to be raped, and 4x more likely to be murdered. Not saying there aren't good things as a man, there are, but many female privileges get taken for granted, and you'll likely miss them while they're gone, while men's issues get constantly erased and dismissed, so yo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/04/26 02:19 PM |
| 6 | Women collectively bring up extremely silly arguments to prove that they "have it harder" than men (Spoiler: They do not)Have you listened to the video from Norah Vincent? There absolutely are horrible things about being a woman, but there are also horrible things about being a man. The grass is not always greener on the other side. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/04/26 01:59 PM |
| 3 | Women collectively bring up extremely silly arguments to prove that they "have it harder" than men (Spoiler: They do not)And what it sounds like is you are doing victim blaming. You're grouping together the men who are innocent and the men who victimize others, to continue to blame "men" as a group. By that exact same logic you should be treated like a whore because some women are whores and you are a woman. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/04/26 01:58 PM |
| 5 | Women collectively bring up extremely silly arguments to prove that they "have it harder" than men (Spoiler: They do not)Victim blaming. You're grouping together the men in power and the men forced to go to war, to continue to blame "men" as a group. By that exact same logic you should be treated like a whore because some women are whores and you are a woman. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/04/26 01:57 PM |
| – | Does anyone really believe men are suddenly struggling romantically on a historic level simply because they refuse to meet basic standards or be decent people?Of course tons of women believe this. That's the only reasonable answer when women are poor innocent victims who can do no wrong and men are the patriarchal oppressors who are at fault for everything. It doesn't matter if all the evidence in the world points in the other direction, if the evidence contradicts feminism then it is the evidence that is wrong. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/04/26 01:54 PM |
| 2 | If the roles were reversed do you think the average woman(as a man) would have longterm dating success with a woman in today’s society?See they'll like being appealed to and enjoy the benefits, but you simping for women makes you appear below them, weak, and unmanly so they won't like you and won't want to date you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/26 09:57 PM |
| 1 | We need to stop calling it a “male loneliness epidemic”The proper solution is likely more something like solar punk, trying to integrate technology in a way that is greener and more environmentally sustainable. Ironically enough renewables allows for far more self sufficiency because every country could then make its own electricity and its own fertilizer (renewable electricity makes green hydrogen which is used to make green fertilizer) and be far less dependent on other countries. Something like 30-50% of all boats on the ocean are moving around f… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/26 08:48 PM |
| 3 | If the roles were reversed do you think the average woman(as a man) would have longterm dating success with a woman in today’s society?Literally cannot make this shit up. The secret is explicitly given and explained, and women still don't want to do it. Cannot make this shit up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/26 08:15 PM |
| 3 | If the roles were reversed do you think the average woman(as a man) would have longterm dating success with a woman in today’s society?I'm sure some women have tried that and haven't been met with immediate and complete success. But if women are tired that only the fuck boys go to her, and she wants one particular guy, her odds of getting him go up significantly if she approaches him or at the very least makes it clearly, blatantly, and inescapable obvious that she wants him to approach her, than if she just does nothing and waits for him to approach. It works for women getting men. It's not 100% guaranteed but it works far bet… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/26 08:12 PM |
| 1 | We need to stop calling it a “male loneliness epidemic”Sorry to day but that's kinda never going to happen. Industrialization allowed the Haber Bosch process, which allows the mass manufacture of fertilizers, which allows the mass farming of food. Without industrialization, humanity simply could not grow past 1 billion people, we simply physically could not grow enough food, and some 70% of the world's population had to be farmers to support the 30% of people who didn't grow food. There are lots of problems due to industrialization, and they need to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/26 06:57 PM |
| 1 | Why do you date at all if its so terrible?Women have been saying what about men before ai? That they don't need men, that men will be replaced, that they can get pregnant without men, etc. My statement was that men talk about ai sex robots to replace male sexlessness. Aah gotcha, sorry about that I missed that connection. Yes, I agree with you that in the case of sexlessness we can't just flip it directly because sexlessness not a problem women have generally. I thought you meant more about one gender not needing the other in general, n… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/26 06:50 PM |
| 1 | If the roles were reversed do you think the average woman(as a man) would have longterm dating success with a woman in today’s society?Then they will say that you are obviously correct and right in noticing the inherent superiority of women. But the if you do it too much they'll say you're obviously just faking it to trick them into having sex with you. So you're bad if you don't agree with them, and you're also bad if you agree with them too much, and you just have to endlessly perform more and better for the benefit of women to atone for being born in the wrong gender. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/26 06:43 PM |
| 1 | Why do you date at all if its so terrible?Just look up AI girlfriend in this sub. It’s a whole lot of “once full service ai sex robots with wombs are available, we will have no need for women anymore”. I mean yes, and women have been saying something similar about men since long before ai partners became a thing too. We don’t need to imagine a reverse. It’s quite ubiquitous here. The interesting question then becomes to ask why people say these things and what motivates them to say that, to understand where they are coming from, so we c… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/26 06:40 PM |
| 1 | If the roles were reversed do you think the average woman(as a man) would have longterm dating success with a woman in today’s society?True that but given we have evidence that lesbian relationships are more violent than gay relationships, that 3/4 of unidirectional domestic abuse is female on male, and that near half the rape victims are men at the hands of female abusers, it seems very unlikely that women would never run into issues dating other women. Due to the women are wonderful bias and that women have a much stronger in group bias than men, it would seem far more likely that women run into issues with other women and do… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/26 06:35 PM |
| 1 | If the roles were reversed do you think the average woman(as a man) would have longterm dating success with a woman in today’s society?Be careful, they'll call you sexist and misogynistic if you dare to notice anything that isn't positive about them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/26 06:32 PM |
| 0 | Why do you date at all if its so terrible?Fair to say that women do everything better in romance and dating for you, that's your experience and choices It's not actually true because there are some women who are horrible partners and worse than many men, but I am glad for you that you have not run into those women, and I am sorry that you have run into bad male partners. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/26 06:32 PM |
| 1 | Why do you date at all if its so terrible?I'm not sure what you mean, could you expand on that? The ai girlfriend thing is also interesting because there are also quite a lot of women who had ai boyfriends, and a lot of people were upset when AI companies changed how models worked to make them less like a human partner. To me that's a symptom of the profound disconnect between men and women and how we're not hearing each other out and not listening to one another, but I could be wrong and I'm interested to hear your thoughts on that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/26 06:21 PM |
| 1 | If the roles were reversed do you think the average woman(as a man) would have longterm dating success with a woman in today’s society?I'm glad you've listened to more than one. How many of them have said anything negative about women? I'm asking because women have a much stronger in group bias than men do, and so not talking about issues is not proof those issues don't exist, they could be real but simply not talked about. Your bisexual friends also doesn't erase the fact other bisexual women have different experiences. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/26 06:15 PM |
| 1 | If the roles were reversed do you think the average woman(as a man) would have longterm dating success with a woman in today’s society?in the documentary i watched, the males that killed the existing males of the pride simply took over as the new leaders. the lionesses kinda put up with the takeover of leadership. The part you forget is that the new male lion kills all the cubs from the previous lion, so if the females don't want their cubs killed they have a vested interest in keeping the male lion they have. So any male lion protects all the lionesses' cubs, and is therefore not useless. I didn't watch the show but I still so… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/26 06:13 PM |
| 5 | Why do you date at all if its so terrible?You know that's fair, I missed that part and focused on the "women do everything better" bit afterwards. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/26 06:10 PM |
| 5 | Why do you date at all if its so terrible?I'm offended by what she said to the exact same amount that society would be offended at a man if he said the gender flipped version. Feels a bit repetitive to say, but women also work in all the fields you stated. It seems their work is invisible to you too so. Their work is not invisible, they're just somewhere between 5% and 33% of workers in those fields, so it's still predominantly men. There are many things women do and their work is valuable too. I'm just tired of the double standard of s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/26 06:09 PM |
| 6 | Why do you date at all if its so terrible?Women do all of those things too, fam. Yes, between 5% to 30% of those things, after significant pushes and scholarships and reforms to get women there. You think women don’t farm? I just looked it up, 36% of producers (another word for farmer, I assume) are women. No yeah, I was aware 2/3rds of farmers are men. Women are highly represented in the medical field too. Have you looked any of this up? Also about 1/3rd of all doctors, but the majority of nurses and midwives. Funny how there's no init… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/26 06:07 PM |
| 1 | If the roles were reversed do you think the average woman(as a man) would have longterm dating success with a woman in today’s society?And that was a video from a bisexual woman explaining how her experiences dating women suddenly made her understand he male fiends complaints, which she had completely dismissed and ignored until those very same thigs happened to her. And the Aba and Preach reacted to her video of her experiences dating women as a woman, that she claims to understand men's issues better now, and they point out how she still largely has no clue about men's issues in dating. It would be a bit like a white woman ex… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/26 06:01 PM |
| -1 | Why do you date at all if its so terrible?You forgot the 2nd part, "women do everything better". To be fair you could have meant it in the context of women do everything better for you in the context of dating, and not meant anything about men outside of the context of dating. It's just frustrating that men saying anything close to that would immediately be interpreted in the worst possible light and be called a misogynistic woman hating incel for daring to say that. There's a huge double standard that society interprets what women say … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/26 05:59 PM |
| 7 | Why do you date at all if its so terrible?Which is also largely not true because it's still men who maintain her water, electricity, internet, phone, car, gas, house, men who farm and deliver food, mem who raise and slaughter and prepare the meat, and men who do the policing, firefighting, medical operations, and ambulance driving. In the context of dating as a lesbian or bi woman then yes men are useless in dating, but dating women doesn't mean suddenly men are useless to her. It's just all the men required to allow her the 21st centur… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/26 05:52 PM |
| 5 | Why do you date at all if its so terrible?Fair, you personally wouldn't see it as sexism, but society in general absolutely would and men would get lambasted for saying exactly that. If the guy started fucking and dating men and enjoying it more than with women, then yeah, women would be useless to him. And that part is fine. But she didn't say useless to her she said useless. And there's a difference. It's like the difference between saying they wished men who were rapists would die, and saying she wished men would die. Pretty big diff… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/26 05:48 PM |
| 1 | Why do you date at all if its so terrible?She could mean that but that is again not what she said. If we tell men that words are violent and they have to watch what they say to lot be or sound sexist, why are men harshly judged and women get a free pass to say sexist things, so long as it's about men? Either we don't tolerate sexism towards men or women, or we have a pretty massive double standard. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/26 05:47 PM |
| 1 | If the roles were reversed do you think the average woman(as a man) would have longterm dating success with a woman in today’s society?Sorry for being unclear I made an edit, that bisexual women often report preferring to date men because its easier and the experience is more pleasant. The two guys are commenting on her video and saying how she doesn't really understand men's experience, she understands dating women as a woman, and that dating women as a man is significantly worse and more difficult than what she is complaining about. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/26 05:40 PM |
| 0 | Why do you date at all if its so terrible?She's not saying that men are useless to her in dating. She said men are useless. There's a difference. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/26 05:39 PM |
| 6 | Why do you date at all if its so terrible?Reverse the gender and imagine a man saying women are more and more useless to him and that men do everything better. Does that sound sexist? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/26 05:38 PM |
| 7 | The best relationships are when the women likes him moreCompletely agree. The problem is that this is equally valid for both sides, but far too many people see this as applying exclusively to women or exclusively to men. We all want to be loved, it's a basic human need. We need different things to feel loved and we don't all express or receive love the same way, but we largely all want to love and be loved. As the saying goes too, hurt people hurt people, and many people simply aren't shown how to give or receive love properly. At the end of the day … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/26 05:36 PM |
| 2 | If the roles were reversed do you think the average woman(as a man) would have longterm dating success with a woman in today’s society?You're welcome, and yeah links and proof adds a lot of important data and facts that are always oh so conveniently ignored. I try and do my best! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/26 05:18 PM |
| 1 | If the roles were reversed do you think the average woman(as a man) would have longterm dating success with a woman in today’s society?They also report that they (EXIT: busexual women) prefer dating men because the experience is better, and women can be pretty shitty to other women. Funny how that works. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VXl1Z9FAIq4 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/26 05:16 PM |
| 1 | If the roles were reversed do you think the average woman(as a man) would have longterm dating success with a woman in today’s society?well if you look at how lion prides work, the females are the ones who do most of the work with the males being largely superfluous. to the point that adult male lions are always kicked out of the pride that they're raised in. And that male lion is superfluous, right up until there's another male lion who comes on by who is bigger and stronger than the lionesses and could do whatever he wants to the lionesses. Then the male lion is responsible for fighting off the other male lions. Being complet… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/26 05:15 PM |
| 1 | If the roles were reversed do you think the average woman(as a man) would have longterm dating success with a woman in today’s society?Women are much more aware of violence than men. Women are much more FEARFUL of violence than men. Fearing something doesn't make you more aware, and often being afraid of something can make you less aware because fear gets in the way of properly understanding what is happening and how to deal with it. We know that women generally feel safe much less often than men, especially around men. Yes, women FEEL unsafe. Ironically, men are 80% of murder victims and the majority of victims of actual viole… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/26 05:13 PM |
| 5 | If the roles were reversed do you think the average woman(as a man) would have longterm dating success with a woman in today’s society?Congratulations. Many women would absolutely kill to know your secret. just because i was nice to them and "showed initiative" (so just talking to them first, be it on SM or real life, inviting them out for beer etc) The secret is there. It's been out there for a hundred years. Men have been repeatedly saying and yelling this out loud. Women don't care to listen. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/26 04:57 PM |
| 1 | If the roles were reversed do you think the average woman(as a man) would have longterm dating success with a woman in today’s society?Absolutely fucking not. Most women have no clue whatsoever how dating works for men, because they don't ever need to put themselves in men's shoes. Meanwhile men are forced to understand how women think and operate to have a ghost of a chance, put in lots of time and effort, and while men turning to women would be blindsided by many of the issues face, they'd still have a very solid understanding of how dating works, how men and women operate, and how to use that knowledge to their benefit. Most… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/26 04:54 PM |
| – | Straight women’s homophobia toward men gets excused way too easilySo...wait. A guy can call women racist and heightist and that's all fine and not woman hating, but if a woman uses the same standards, it's a threat to hold the "man hating left accountable. Not sure where this misunderstanding came from, sorry if I was unclear. If a man calls a woman racist and height ist, he gets called misogynistic for daring to call out women. If a woman calls a man racist and fat phobic/ageist, then she is seen as totally within her rights to do so and the man should be con… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/03/26 09:24 PM |
| 3 | Straight women’s homophobia toward men gets excused way too easilyWhat were you screaming below about "Whatabout?" Mmmmm look at that very very healthy dose you did. It's whataboutism when it distracts from the main point to redirect the blame to someone or something else. I pointed out extra examples that are directly relevant to the point OP was making. It's supplementary arguments, not whataboutism. Not that I've particularly seen. Granted, that is limited to my personal experiences. I mean sure but "I haven't personally seen it happen" is not a valid count… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/03/26 09:14 PM |
| – | Straight women’s homophobia toward men gets excused way too easilyFBI Hate crime stats year after year white people top the list for Asian hate crimes True, but per capita tells a different story. If white people make up the majority of the population it's perfectly normal white people commit most of the crimes, but if per capita white people commit less crimes than another minority, for sure it doesn't erase the crimes white people make, but it's important to acknowledge those minorities commit more crimes comparatively. Also worth looking at who defines crim… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/03/26 07:32 PM |
| – | Straight women’s homophobia toward men gets excused way too easilyIs there any circumstance where it would ever be appropriate to have a female actress stripped naked in front of an audience (within the movie) and then have a male character within that movie eating popcorn and approving, and still be seen as a good person? And let's not pretend like capt America's muscular bare chest isn't massive eye candy for women. Do you want to engage in good faith about these two specific instances that would never be approved today if they were gender flipped? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/03/26 06:52 PM |
| – | Straight women’s homophobia toward men gets excused way too easilyCompletely agree with you, it is a moral panic and mob mentality by the left, with metaphorical lynching via cancelling anyone who doesn't have the "correct" views on any topic. Discussion doesn't happen, and feminism actively poisons the well to discourage and defeat rational conversation, choosing to couch things in moralistic terms where they just assume they have the moral high ground and everyone else has to argue against that, while actively calling evil anyone who dares to disagree with t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/03/26 06:50 PM |
| – | Straight women’s homophobia toward men gets excused way too easilyWhen I grew up, every damn teen movie was over sexified and there were plenty of women on women action while men on men was taboo. And flipping it around by making women on women taboo while over sexifying men (hello Thor and Capt America) and having plenty of men on men action doesn't make it better. If it was wrong when men did it to women, I fail to see why it should be good when women do it to men. Oh wait, people still lose their shit over men just holding hands in a video game. Woke, preda… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/03/26 06:46 PM |
| – | Straight women’s homophobia toward men gets excused way too easilyexcusing or rewarding You missed the first part there. Women are excused for wanting to watch gay scenes and rewarded by getting to see it on TV, while men are judged and punished for wanting to watch lesbian scenes, and do not get to see it on TV. Do you have anything else to add? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/03/26 06:01 PM |
| – | Straight women’s homophobia toward men gets excused way too easilyYep, that's just the newest rebranded version of identity politics, it just adds up the victimhood status vs privileged status on different axes of oppression, but it still just flat out assumes that being male as the single biggest privilege ever that can never count as a downside ever, and that being male trumps every other possible privilege. A disabled poor white man still has more privilege than the average non disabled rich white woman, because feminism has just decided that being born wit… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/03/26 05:31 PM |
| 8 | Straight women’s homophobia toward men gets excused way too easilyMen are called fatphobic, ageist, and everything else under the sun already for daring to have the slightest preference around weight, age, or whatever, while women have out and out biphobic, homophobic, heightism, baldism, and many other things views towards men, that unlike weight and hair men have absolutely no control over, and yet women get a free pass on it. You're not going to shame men into change by threatening to call men fat phobic, when men are ALREADY being called fat phobic simply … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/03/26 05:27 PM |
| – | Straight women’s homophobia toward men gets excused way too easilyFunny too how progressives rather quickly stopped talking about violence against Asian minorities when it came to light who exactly was perpetrating most of that violence. That's what happens when you play identity politics, when the identity of a group trumps personal responsibility and personal accountability. That kind of attitude causes immense damage to social trust in a society, but progressive women will continue to push for it simply because it allows them to call out any behaviour they … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/03/26 05:16 PM |
| – | Straight women’s homophobia toward men gets excused way too easilySo when they make a show for the female gaze it's fine, but the moment there's a show for the male gaze it's problematic. Seems to me that's just one of many double standards aimed at pubsuhing men while excusing or rewarding the exact same behaviour in women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/03/26 04:54 PM |
| – | Straight women’s homophobia toward men gets excused way too easilyMen are called fat phobic for having the slightest preference around weight, while women have out and out biphobic views towards men and get a free pass on it. You're not going to shame men into change by threatening to call men fat phobic, when men are ALREADY being called fat phobic simply for daring to have a preference. Do you have anything to add to the actual discussion aside from your blatant whataboutism? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/03/26 04:53 PM |
| – | What's the most annoying debate tactic you see from the opposite gender on this sub?Yep! They define themselves at the bottom and define whoever they want at the top to give themselves and other a free pass to punch others without ever getting punched back. Another shining example of dodging accountability and taking no accountability for the harm they themselves cause. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/03/26 04:12 PM |
| – | What's the most annoying debate tactic you see from the opposite gender on this sub?Okay, this is a solid point. A lot of women are bleeding us spiritually and are unaware. But I think an increasing number of women are consciously doing it. See: Female Dating Strategy. Oh yeah I can definitely agree on that, plus feminism actively encouraging women to "hit back" at men by profiting off of men and abusing men, like men have been "abusing" and "profiting" off women for millenia. It's complete bullshit of course because men alive today had nothing to do with men who did shit 100+ … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/03/26 03:21 AM |
| 3 | What's the most annoying debate tactic you see from the opposite gender on this sub?What a bar, im stealing this. Hahaha, glad to be of service! Ironically it leads to the very problems they end up dealing with. This inability to empathize mixed with the drive to be individualistic in what's supposed to be a shared effort forces your partner into their own individualism. There's a surprising amount of cases where feminism's efforts directly cause and lead to the problems they complain so much about. You'd think if they cared so much about solving the actual problem they'd try t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/03/26 06:58 AM |
| 1 | Good men don't push boundariescomparing murder to sexual assault is stupid because sexual assault is not unlikely, the chances of it happening are high. Define "high". How high are the odds of sexual assault? My point was blaming "pushing boundaries" based on what "might" happen afterwards is stupid, and far less effective than just actively opposing the bad thing itself. I'm not concerned about “men not getting relationships”, i’m concerned about sexual assault rates and the real harm it causes. i could not care less about … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/03/26 06:41 AM |
| 4 | What's the most annoying debate tactic you see from the opposite gender on this sub?No, that's not true. They know. They're just being honest now about not giving a damn Oh no, they absolutely do not give a damn, but they also don't have a clue. Part of why they can't be bothered to get a clue, is because they don't care enough to try. Or worse, openly defending the status quo because it is profiting them like an oil speculator watching the Iran war. And the oil speculator is only marginally more mercenary about the profit-taking. Some women are absolutely like that, but thankf… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/03/26 03:03 AM |
| 2 | What's the most annoying debate tactic you see from the opposite gender on this sub?Most women are still very much under the influence of the women are wonderful effect, have a much stronger in group bias than men, AND women date men so they don't experience the shuttiness that women throw at men in dating. In the same way most men don't date other men so men don't see the shittiness men throw at women in dating. But the biggest issue is that women largely demand to be believed completely and uncritically while refusing to understand or acknowledge the male situation, they dema… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/03/26 12:35 AM |
| 7 | What's the most annoying debate tactic you see from the opposite gender on this sub?Funny thing that, most women don't have a single clue what the male experience is like either and most women don't believe when men talk about their experiences. But we've had decades of social reinforcement telling men to believe women. Somehow it's a problem when men do it to women, but not a problem when women do it to men. I agree that often people don't understand experiences that are radically different from theirs. The thing is though if one person's experience is so radically different i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/03/26 12:22 AM |
| 1 | The courting process never ends for men.You don't care about equality? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/03/26 07:48 PM |
| 0 | Good men don't push boundariesYou are completely correct. The problem is if men don't push boundaries at all they get no relationships and no sex, and if they push boundaries in any way a woman decides, even retroactively, she doesn't like, can lead to rape accusations. So given women demand men do something they themselves refuse to do and then punish men for doing the thing they demand men do, we really shouldn't be surprised more men than ever are giving up on women. People don't need to acknowledge that playful pushing c… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/03/26 06:30 PM |
| – | Men should ask permission before asking sexually explicit questionsbut men are known for missing women's signs. You also missed the part where women are known to make signs confusing and arbitrary as well. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/03/26 03:33 PM |
| 1 | The left are hypocrite when it comes to menYeah, some people take shots at men, but that’s not a core ideology You forgot that the core ideology of feminism is that men are violent brutish oppressors and women are poor fragile innocent victims. On laws, there are legit gaps for male victims, but jumping to “they want harm” is a stretch and undermines your argument. Except for the part where the feminist founders of the Duluth model of domestic abuse explicitly based on on the feminist premise of men wanting patriarchal dominance and powe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/03/26 02:27 PM |
| 0 | Good men don't push boundariesThe thing is, playful bantering is pushing lightly against boundaries in a playful way. There's a difference between that and disrespecting/ignoring boundaries completely. It's like saying there's a high risk of harm every time you leave the house. Technically true but if we never left the house we'd never get anything done. Life is not black and white like that, it's not all or nothing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/03/26 01:32 PM |
| 1 | Good men don't push boundariesif you’re willing to push boundaries then you’re willing to cause a lot of harm. False equivalency. It's like saying that if a woman is willing to lie to her partner then she's willing to falsely accuse him and ruin his life. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/03/26 06:43 AM |
| -6 | Egalitarian relationships are inherently skewed in favour of womenMen who offer a kind, supportive, loving relationships are rare. Nope, not true. Most women don't value the men who provide that, because they're not attractive enough, not rich enough, not charismatic enough, or have one of a million different icks. Finding kind, supportive, loving partners isn't too hard, it's just that 90% of those men aren't attractive enough or rich enough or educated enough or have the right political views for women. If a man is genuine and not a sexist self centered POS,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/03/26 05:55 AM |
| 0 | Egalitarian relationships are inherently skewed in favour of womenAlso a lot of times it's simply not a good ROI. But for some reason when men see that bending over backwards for women isn't a good ROI, men are called selfish and lazy and misogynistic and not trying hard enough. Odd double standard. I never said men wanted women to do chores, there are many things women can do to secure commitment that involves neither chores nor being submissive. But most women apparently don't have a clue what men want, and most apparently can't be bothered to find out how l… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/03/26 05:51 AM |
| -2 | Egalitarian relationships are inherently skewed in favour of womenWomen can get casual sex easier, but it is harder for them to secure a committed relationship. Absolutely not true. Men have been telling women, overtly and explicitly, what men want from women in order to commit to them. Women can see this, understand this, and do this, easily and without many issues. They just don't want to because securing commitment from one man means possibly missing out on a better man, and that they feel that any attempt to actually work to secure commitment from a man, l… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/03/26 05:40 AM |
| 3 | Women don't like when men have healthy boundariesThe problem is not boundaries per se. The problem is the double standards in how people perceive and react to boundaries. There's also a growing trend of toxic therapy speak and victimhood where people will willy Milly assert whatever they want as a boundary and then claim to be victimized by anyone who doesn't respect their insane boundaries. In large part gybocebtrism is not even at all about being rational and principled, because gybocebtrism runs on emotions and social posturing, not rationa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/03/26 08:20 PM |
| 5 | Women don't like when men have healthy boundariesThe difference is, women having boundaries are seen as being self respecting and doing good, while men having boundaries is seen as being selfish and controlling. I 100% agree with you. It still doesn't change the massive double standards in society about how we treat and perceive men's boundaries VS women's boundaries. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/03/26 02:54 PM |
| 2 | The women who are the loudest about not dating a “man child” are the definition of “woman child.”Not at all, there are many opinions I dislike that are not feminism, and there are some feminist opinions I do actually like. Unfortunately the vast majority of feminists seem to hold extremely unhealthy ideas about men and masculinity, generally treating men like defective women, and having and promoting views that erase and dismiss men's issues. I don't think it's unreasonable to dislike the fsct feminism actively opposed and erases the fact that half of all domestic abuse victims are men and … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/03/26 01:50 PM |
| 3 | The women who are the loudest about not dating a “man child” are the definition of “woman child.”I don't have these conversations at work because my workplace has a rather strong pro liberal bias and I don't want to face consequences for not toeing the line, and I have talked to many people who themselves have faced those consequences and noticed the pro-female anti-male bias. Every year there are dozenss of emails for women's month and women's issues and all that, and while that is good, I think in the 7 years I've worked here there's been like 5 emails specifically dedicated to helping me… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/03/26 01:44 PM |
| 3 | The women who are the loudest about not dating a “man child” are the definition of “woman child.”I mean yeah, it would help to reduce the systemic vilification and demonization of men by opposing an organisation that treats equality like a one-way street exclusively to the benefit of women, while actively erasing the fact that men are half the domestic abuse victims and near half the rape victims. So yeah, I'm anti feminist because feminism is anti equality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/03/26 07:26 AM |
| 4 | The women who are the loudest about not dating a “man child” are the definition of “woman child.”It's called feminism. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/03/26 07:16 AM |
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