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I can be drawn to aspects of a person (I'm disorganized so your example of someone who is orderly resonates) without necessarily being drawn to someone overall. I think what contributes most to me being drawn to a person is how well the communication is, which shows up in things such as, but not limited to: physical attraction (both ways), expression of said physical attraction (both ways) Humor, Inside jokes, banter, flirting, openness, level of amusement when interacting without a specific sha…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 01:52 PM
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Yeah or that, valid point.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 02:39 AM
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If you goal is to save money, just invite her over for sex. If you can't get her to agree to a booty call then maybe just spend the money and focus on getting to know her.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 12:30 AM
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I feel like this is the one subject that I totally agree with for 'other men' but TOTALLY not for me. If a girl intentionally makes me wait, we're not a good fit for either, full stop. If she's super hot I'll keep swinging in hopes of getting her naked though. Worth it. Because there could be a chance. But she'd have to turn into a total sex machine in order to make up for making me wait. Also, I'm single haha
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:58 AM
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When I discovered the RP subreddit back in 2015, BY FAR the most useful piece of advice was this: Go to the gym. Pick a talent/hobby/something your passionate about and get REALLY FUCKING GOOD at it. Level up at your job. Doing these 3 things every day to any degree with focus (Gym you need every other day, but eating healthy and sleep go with that every day) will transform your life, your game, your prospects, and the level of enthusiasm you get when she's taking your cock down her throat. Ever…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 05:33 PM
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This has nothing to do with being frustrated with being dealt a bad hand, it has to do with how other people react to your actions or outbursts. Hope that helps.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 03:36 PM
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Close, I'd say that any man who can't get sex AND acts entitled to it is going to be shamed by society. This is like the dude who kinda sucks at guitar wanting to jam with the band. Sure... They'll let him up there for maybe a minute or two and give him some "Great job bro, thanks for jumping up" but if he acts entitled and wants to stay up there like he belongs there... it's not gonna go well. It's that kind of energy. And it's deserved. Likewise, the dude who IS a legend at guitar is less like…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 11:56 AM
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The men who fuck on the first date are not fucking the kind of women who would ever make anyone wait until the third for a peck on the cheek. What? Unless she's a sex worker, EDIT: Even if she is a sex worker haha: she ABSOLUTELY has a list of dudes she would date and make wait. If you've ever had a soft harem, MOST of the women who come over for sex and then leave have other dudes in their DMs that they are making take them on dates and not having sex with. One of the most common tropes of a pl…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 11:53 AM
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IDK if you've done anything to demonstrate that this is the result of feminism. A feminist could make an argument that it's actually the result of the patriarchy and it would hold just as much merit. I do agree with the first sentence of the title though. Society doesn't know what to do with a woman having casual sex and enjoying it. She either keeps it a complete secret from her friends or she has to play into the idea that she "really hopes it leads to something more". There's also a bit of an…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 11:45 AM
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Yeah and I don't think anyone would have any sympathy for a dude claiming he was "used" for money. Except for Arnold and Gerald, but that's a different story.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 11:32 AM
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Women are often much kinder, sluttier, and lees entitled when they view a man as desirable in comparison to them. Something something sexual marketplace. That’s all this is. It’s 100% true and that’s why.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 04:42 PM
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I think it's possible to say that you wouldn't date someone without thinking that person is morally corrupt or deserves any less dignity as a human.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 12:12 PM
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Furthermore, the people looking to the redpill are coming from a world where they had ZERO leverage and were trying to get their needs met by constant supplication to anyone who would pay attention to them. They need some sort of re-framing. I don't think it necessarily means that they would flip the dynamic entirely, more-so that they see and understand the dynamic so that they can manage to communicate on a more effective level or realize the actual factors that have been plaguing them all thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 12:10 PM
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Yeah so then my argument is that it's NOT influencers that are changing the market, it's the platforms like OF, Clapper, Chaturbate, Fansly, and even T/B/H dating apps that are doing it. Those apps cold themselves become enshitified (and it's already happening) but the "sugar" arrangement of dating can't be enshitified because it's a free market between 2 people that can't be bought by private equity.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 10:26 PM
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I don't think this is enshittification. That term usually describes what happens when a third party platform gradually degrades the experience for both sides to maximize its own profits. For example: a company promises women they'll find wealthy sugar daddies if they pay a monthly subscription, while simultaneously promising men they'll find attractive sugar babies if they subscribe. Then it progressively paywalls more features, pushes boosts, verification fees, premium messaging, and other mone…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 07:17 PM
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Well the bottom line is people are willing to pay for it 💁🏼 And this is not a situation like water or electricity where there is only one operation in town providing it. No one is forcing anyone onto dating apps. People voluntarily download them. I also post an elsewhere that boost doesn’t really do much and Verification is free so perhaps we actually do agree
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 11:33 PM
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Yes but if it’s your area you’ll see them first anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 11:08 PM
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It must’ve felt very gratifying to type that, and to someone who doesn’t understand how things works, it kind of makes sense in the beginning when you read it, but I’m actually curious: What does your ideal society look like? One where women just choose you because you’re a great choice without you having to prove it to them somehow? How are women supposed to sort through all of the attention that they’re getting?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 08:38 PM
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Verifying goes without saying. It won’t help too much but why would you not do it? It helps and any amount of help is better than not helping. As for boosting however, as someone who has been doing this shit for 8 years now, boosting is only effective if you’re new to an area. If you’re in your hometown and you’ve been on dating apps for more than a few months, you should have swiped through everyone in your area and so all boosting is going to do is just expand your radius to give you a few pot…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 08:36 PM
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I lean RP on this one, I chalk it up to "Oneitis", and I fully support TRP's take on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 12:29 PM
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Is there examples of this on here?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 08:38 PM
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I mean like anything in life, if you want something that someone isn’t otherwise giving out freely, there’s a price for that. You could tee it up the other way. If your attention as a man is valuable and interesting then women are going to have to pay by keeping you entertained. Sex is a good tool, and if the woman is hot, that greatly enhances her sexuality tool. You are not being asked to participate in this game. You are free to make your own game with your own rules. You just need to find so…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:03 PM
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The value prop is almost always entertainment/excitement. The same reason we watch movies. We want to be taken on a journey and feel something, maybe think about something from a different perspective, or maybe be scared a little bit (depending on the genre) Same goes for dating. You're writing a movie that she gets to either be a part of, or have main character vibes of. If you're calling the shots and making her feel things, she will want to keep the movie going to some sort of climax. If she'…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:43 PM
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The way that you framed this is kind of odd, but I actually hard-core agree with the message behind what you’re saying. The way that I would interpret this in my mind is: the dudes who are struggling with getting what they want in the dating marketplace need to seriously take a harder look at their value proposition and what specifically it is that they’re offering to women. I don’t think a lot of dudes understand why the women who choose to have casual sex with men make that decision. I’m not a…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 03:09 PM
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Yes, or wraps more accurately they all must be worse than me in every way otherwise she’s an alpha widow and I’ll never mean anything to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 11:41 AM
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I know that’s why it’s so dangerous when we are 😈
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:42 PM
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So I hold it on OP to be clear enough that his point gets across. The responses at least at this point show that if that was his point, he didn’t get it across. In life if you have a message, your audience is your standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 03:09 PM
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I think it’s important to note in this debate that “desire” shows up a lot of different ways, and girls are going to disagree here because of the different ways desire can show up. OP means “just because she agrees to a relationship doesn’t mean she’s craving a good fucking on the reg from you”
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:06 PM
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Yup. 1:30 on a sunday morning. Checks out.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 05:41 AM
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Oh cool, you should let her know.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 01:46 AM
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Right, and women have asked for a guy who opens up emotionally and actually listens. And I asked for a budgeting notebook because I'm totally going to start cutting down on spending.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 12:44 AM
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No, if he was confident she’d be DTF he’d have gone on another date and made a move, not left that ridiculous voice note As a dude who has had sex a lot on first and second dates, it’s VERY RARE that sex is ever agreed upon until the heat of the moment. Very few girls are going to say “yeah we can have sex after our date” if you haven’t had sex yet. This kind of message will get you denied just about every time, regardless of the girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:07 PM
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I think OP is really asking: “What percent of men experience genuine sexual desire from a woman they’re attracted to”
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 10:38 PM
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Is there any actual evidence of this? I love soda and energy drinks. But I also love natural fruits and healthy things. Variety is nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 09:54 PM
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"Better" is doing a lot of work in your statement. My thesis would be that I'm not against passport bros, but there's still a level of compromise in choosing a non-western woman. The benefit is that they generally seem to have a higher baseline level of respect, service, and loyalty than western women BUT: EVEN if we look at porn, the most raw expression of the male sexual fantasy, WESTERN WOMAN are STILL the most popular! WHY? Because the cultural connection and nonverbal communication, sarcasm…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:57 PM
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As long as you're now viewing it as "she needs to change so I can get what I want" and not "I am entitled to what I want regardless of what she does or wants" I'm ok with what I communicated. I am not defending "She needs to change so I can get what I want"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:50 PM
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I mean logically yes, but what if we flipped genders on this statement? Same is true, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:47 PM
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I think "the patriarchy" is one of those terms that has accumulated so many meanings that arguing about whether it "exists" is often less productive than asking whether it's useful in a particular context. There are certainly women who have experienced unfair treatment by men in positions of authority where their sex was clearly a/the factor. That's a real experience, and therapy shouldn't require pretending otherwise. At the same time, therapy isn't supposed to recruit people into an ideologica…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 11:33 AM
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IDK I "feel like" (as in I don't have data on this but this is the way it seems to me) it's the opposite: Men who choose to remain single really just seem to have a higher frame of IDGAF than women. Women who choose to remain single seem more fragile to criticism of their choices and tend to get more triggered by it. This may be largely a cultural thing. I think a lot of it may be boomer parents. Thinking about my family, my sister (who is younger and now married) got more pressure from my paren…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 11:16 AM
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No man ever applied to be a pizza delivery guy because he was thinking he was going to banging hot girls upon delivery.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 12:43 AM
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On the "porn lies to men" topic: Porn can't "lie". It also can't tell the truth. The only way you can lie is if there is an expectation that you will tell the truth. Taylor swift wrote a song called "Love Story". It's not based on factual events. Is it "lying"? No. It's not expected to tell the truth. Mark Hoppus did not in fact take her out on a friday night wearing cologne for the purpose of getting the feeling right. If he did start making out with a girl and she took off his pants, I doubt h…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 12:33 AM
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Yeah I'm not saying it's a healthy approach, but I AM saying that it's not "I feel entitled to her body"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 12:01 AM
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Yes, my re-articulation is still one sided, and a healthy relationship involves both people putting in work. I was more re-wording it to deflect from the "well that obviously means he feels entitled to her body" stance.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 11:59 PM
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I'd be very curious to see the majority of situations like this and how they actually map out IRL I'm not denying that there are shitty people out there But not all dudes have the articulation to walk-back-a-few-logical-steps what they're actually meaning. It's not "I want her to fuck me even though she doesn't want to" I bet it's a version of: "I want her to do the work to figure out what specifically it is about me that's hanging her up about having sex with me... and maybe take a few steps to…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 10:37 PM
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I'd reverse the order: Women tend to only appreciate men who are appreciated by society to a certain extent.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 05:54 PM
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I mean I named mine but you decided it wasn't good enough...
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 05:53 PM
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More men are on reddit, and men supporting women is wired into men's biological priorities because sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 05:24 PM
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Yeah I’m not really commenting on the validity of content creators as a whole, I’m more looking at why big content creators skew right wing / manosphere when compared to left wing
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:48 PM
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Of course. There’s some left wing people who use “trust me bro” as well. But overall you see right wing alt media is much more heavily focused on the creator as the source of info than an institution.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:30 PM
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"BUT YOU CANT NAME THE MEDIA" -names the media "NO THAT DOESN'T COUNT"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:38 PM
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GREAT POST. A few thoughts on this. Like most right-wing/manosphere content, I think you have a seed of truth in here. Your biggest problem though is that if the more popular content is more popular because it's lies, then logically, Left-wing creators could become more popular simply by lying more. You WOULD see bad-faith left-wing influencers grifting at more/less equal rates, but you don't. So there's something else at play. Here's my take on it. 1. The right has historically invested more in…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 04:09 AM
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That's the evolutionary answer. The psychological answer is that male orgasm is much more tied to stimulation than the female orgasm, and the structure and sensitive areas of a penis make stimulating it easier. A woman's orgasm (just like her attraction) is tied to a much larger range of variables that need to line up, even if adequate stimulation is present.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:28 AM
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Most men want to earn sex Trying to make a woman feel above average is a common strategy men use to try and get sex Women speaking highly of themselves performs well in short-form content.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:21 AM
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Wouldn't it just be sufficient to say no one likes feeling like their partner is settling for them?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 10:04 PM
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I (me) would only be with a woman (her) who didn’t restrict me (a man) from having sex (intercourse) with other (different) women (them) unless she (her) was really good.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 09:46 PM
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I see everyone filtered for the small percentage of men with vibrant dating lives, options, and respect. Most men are jealous of these dudes too
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 08:15 PM
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Ideally you should do both, but: looks, height, and cultivating a profile are all going to max results on dating apps whereas: game, presence, humor, looks, height, and social circle will max results most for nightlife. Notice that Looks and Height appear in both, but at least in nightlife there are other variables that get weighted in.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 08:13 PM
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I’m sure you’ve seen a tall good looking dude strike the fuck out with a 7 before….
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 10:15 PM
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The movie is nonsense (although entertaining) and it’s all based on an honest wish from a lonely guy turning into a ridiculous monkey’s paw situation that gets so out of control, the dude offs himself to save the girl. Idk how it reflects anything of reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 04:46 PM
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This sounds like trying to define how much reciprocation has to be established in order for one party cutting ties to be defined as “ghosting” is. I think it really is going to come down to how the loosing party FEELS about the actions of the other, which of course leaves the door wide open for the terms to be used in manipulative ways and as coping mechanisms. At the end of the day though, I don’t think there will be enough consensus to concretely define “pump and dump” “Ghosting” “Fuckboy” Or …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 07:58 PM
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I mean this material checks out as within the window of discussion here. And there are plenty of people with “more important shit” to discuss, they just aren’t… posting… here….
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:43 PM
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I'd be very curious to see ANY example of an "average" older man in a significant age-gap relationship. My assumption is that OP was implying it was always money and no other variables.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 02:19 AM
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Both these examples you've provided as being hypocritical are actually 100% logically consistent with one another.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 02:17 AM
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This argument backfires though because in a marriage where the woman is out-earning the man, the man can get cash and prizes by divorcing rather than what we're used to seeing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 02:15 AM
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Any argument against this would just be nit-picking and honestly round-about proving your point. I'm an exception when it comes to successful women in that I enjoy them just as much as the barista at the coffee shop or the college student, but mainly because I'm confident in my game and make it clear i'm not jumping into an LTR anytime soon. Most successful women are perfectly fine with this and tend to like being bossed around once clothes start coming off. However, I honestly would find it har…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 02:11 AM
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OK we agree then. The age gaps you and OP are referring to certainly aren't the norm by far. I'm pointing at the .01% of exceptional men in their 40s and above and saying those are the guys that that could swing a particular kind of mid-20s hottie if they wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 02:00 AM
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WHO is not attracted to WHO? If you're referring to OP's example of Trump, I have no interest in arguing that. OP is probably right about that. Although I'll leave this god-awful video here. OP's claim is younger vs. older (without specifying how much of a gap) I overall reject OP's claim because older men offer more than just money. Status, influence, power, connections, even humor, resilience, etc... are ALL things that will exponentially increase with age if a dude is on his game... and the A…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 01:34 AM
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This is the right direction to take the conversation. In my estimation, the vast majority of age-gap relationships are based on an arrangement involving financial support. That doesn't mean that the man in the relationship experiences less enthusiastic sexual response from the woman than whatever "baseline" relationship female response is though, and I think that's worth noting. I also don't know if trying to separate "physical attraction" from "overall attraction" a woman feels for a man is use…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 10:12 PM
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I’m using that as a comparison because that is an example of something that people would actually have a problem with whereas micro cheating in the way that I have defined it is typically something that is understandable if it’s something that happened once or twice over a 20 year period or something like that
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:40 PM
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I think it’s fair though to at least acknowledge that no one is going to be 100% on their best behavior at all times. But I think that most people understand we’re all human. The point is there’s a very big difference between some fantasy, borderline inappropriate conversation, or other examples of “micro cheating” vs “getting railed by Chad” I think it’s almost understandable If you’ve been with someone for years on end, and they micro cheated at one point. Whereas of course, getting railed by …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:17 PM
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I mean... Do most women people at some point in their life do something like... accepting attention... enjoying a conversation that borderlines on flirtatious... dressing differently with someone in mind... maybe even dancing with someone... or having a conversation that crosses a line? Yeah, probably. And maybe they regret it. Maybe they feel bad and they were flirting with a feeling or something. I get it. But does that mean that most women are out there getting railed by Chad on the weekends …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 04:43 PM
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This is weird, I was responding to the AWDTSG post and it somehow wound up on yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 04:50 PM
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What do you mean by "Won't Tolerate" it? It seems to be that women are just more interested in discussing that kind of stuff than men are, hence there are more spaces for it when it's women discussing men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 02:59 PM
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It wouldn’t do anything. Bad ratings would probably indicate you’re more desirable as a guy and female bots would have the highest ratings among women so probably the opposite of the intended effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 04:37 PM
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This sounds like a "Money doesn't buy happiness" argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 11:37 PM
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is simply because male-dominated corporations heavily invested into marketing and education for women to make them complecent and susptible to males' sexual desires. No. That's not how a free market works. People still have to choose to buy things... and it's more complicated than that because buying something is more than "I want that", its' "I wan that MORE than I want the money in my pocket" I'm not saying social pressure plays ZERO role (look at social pressure of mormon women and how they d…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:32 PM
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Oh. Look at that. I was right. LOL I love how when I'm literally honest about "I can't prove this but I'd love documentation", I get a bunch of women telling me I'm wrong and then a dude who comes in with receipts.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:22 PM
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this movie was about women falling for guys that they know they shouldn't logically fall for. No shot. There's always an understandable reason why a woman falls for a guy she "shouldn't" fall for. He's attractive. He's charismatic. He's safe and she's vulnerable. SOME redeeming quality despite the red flag(s). Obsession is NOT that. Although I do agree with your critique of the Grapes of Wrath because typically when we think of a magical wish making a woman fall for us, we imagine it's (at least…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:10 AM
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Yeah but I think her point is that in the beginning, the woman's perspective is: "This isn't an issue. We both appear to crave the same sexual menu with the same frequency and intensity" And then it changes and "surprised pikachu"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:10 AM
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I really don't believe this stat, despite it being floated in the book "A billion wicked thoughts". I'm not sure what the reasoning for the stat that "Why won't my husband/boyfriend have sex with me?" is googled supposedly just as often as "why won't my wife/girlfriend have sex with me?" is, but it just doesn't seem to map out onto my lived experience and friend group.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:08 AM
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the gender who acts like they will die without sex and die if their penis isn’t inserted into a warm hole and not expect to be their sex doll of sorts DO NOT marry a man if that's your view of them either. My hand can get me off just fine, and I'd prefer it to a woman who thinks that's what's going on.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:55 PM
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This is more indicative of the women posting this (if they are in fact genuine) than women as a whole or dating as a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 06:20 PM
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I agree with your critique but I think it often plays out more complicated than this. Typically men's critique of women going after a man "strictly based on looks" adds a component that the man in question is often a "Jerk", "Asshole", or otherwise morally corrupt person, and tends to exhibit the opposite of the personality characteristics that the woman in question claims to be "looking for in a man". The butthurt is often directed at the apparent hypocrisy in the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:41 PM
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OP, you're going to have to go a bit deeper and provide examples of this because at your level of description, it seems like a straw-man.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:32 PM
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I think it would only be fair for the dad to stay at home if he makes less than the mom. There are a growing number of couples that operate this way, and it makes perfect logical sense. The issue is that many highly successful women don't actually want that arrangement. They still want a man who out-earns them, has the time to devote to the relationship, and can comfortably support her stepping away from her career for a few years to raise children. Like... Ok... That's... a VERY tall order. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:29 PM
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You insisting that beauty is a "skill" just makes your argument fail even harder. I don't believe that beauty is a "skill" but let's look at your argument both ways, shall we? Option 1: Beauty is (or almost entirely is) a skill. Congratulations, beauty is now the only "skill" that receives immediate recognition without requiring any demonstration. A brilliant engineer has to engineer something truly innovative before anyone recognizes their ability (if that). Even then, like... what engineers ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:22 AM
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This is classic. So in your perspective, a divorce only happens because "the woman did something"? Am I understanding you correctly? Did you read the next line I wrote? Read the whole thing slowly, then try again.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 02:50 AM
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I've always imagined it was because the evidence in heterosexual couples is corroborated by gay men having below average divorce rates and lesbian women having higher than normal divorce rates, but I'm not actually arguing that "Women as a whole suck more at relationships than men" I'm arguing that you can't prove that men suck more. Those are two different arguments, and the fact that I've triggered a bunch of women here is telling.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 02:47 AM
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OK so if I have a guy friend who didn't cheat but initiated divorced after his wife refused sex for 5 years, does that even the score? How long do you want to play this game?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 02:44 AM
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Or that if a man walks out on his marriage, that the woman automatically did something to him? Of course the woman did something. And of course she had a reason for doing it. My point is, how are you going to get to the bottom of the he-said she-said and pin it on one person (in most cases)? Queer marriages (at least at this point in time) show gay men with lower-than-average divorce rates and lesbian women with higher-than-normal divorce rates. If we wanted to make sweeping gender generalizatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 02:41 AM
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just because more women initiate divorce doesn't mean shes the one at fault for the relationship ending I didn't say she was, but I also didn't say she wasn't. I said you can't conclusively make a sweeping statement like that because how can you actually assign blame to most divorces?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 02:38 AM
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OK stop and think for a second. Turn off social media and the TV. Think about the men you know IRL. How many of them have literally ANY skills that "society" as a whole "recognizes" them for? Now think about the last time you did a double-take when an attractive woman walked by. Think about any time a woman in your social circle had your attention and investment because she "was". I think you're imagining a level of recognition that VERY few men actually experience often. I have a few skills tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 02:29 AM
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Yes, and I also feel like the majority of people do actually understand this on a subconscious level even if they profess to not believe it in a socially acceptable interpersonal level.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 02:03 AM
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Right but what's the point you're trying to make? We could go through infinite recursion here: Well why did the husband walk out? Well why did the wife do whatever thing(s) that caused the husband to walk out? and round and round we go. Honestly the only way you get anywhere gender-exclusive with the odd institution of marriage and gender is look at homosexual couples.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 02:01 AM
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No one initiates divorce before the relationship has ended lol. What does that even mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:46 AM
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Ok so it's a debate... what point that OP made were you disagreeing with?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:37 PM
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Yeah I agree with your point but it's idealized and misses one really weird phenomenon about women: Mainly, women will publicly encourage and support the same women whom they know make shitty choices.. You can see this with body positivity: "you're a queen" "don't settle" "he didn't deserve you" While they PRIVATELY think: "She really needs to lose weight" "She's the common denominator in all these relationships" Women will often encourage rather than challenge their fellow women. So from the ou…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:25 PM
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Yes but I think no matter how we define "having someone" as OP has categorized it, an overwhelmingly higher percentage of women than men will "have someone" if we hold the same criteria across both genders. That's OP's point. This is another BP example of "Well actually, some men have someone too! Bet you didn't think of that! Therefore it invalidates the rule" It doesn't. OP didn't say "men never do this" he said "it seems as if most women do this"
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:15 PM
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This is 100% true but still goes both ways and in both situations women are more selective.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:37 PM
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Yes but only in the context of men rejecting women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:36 PM
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Ok then women not initiating ever are constantly rejecting 4 billion men constantly in perpetuity. Women still reject more.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 06:23 PM
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Choosing not to initiate is not rejecting. And even if we pretend it is, that makes your claim even more false because women don’t initiate even when they are interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 05:14 PM
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In order to be rejected, you have to make an attempt. There is zero evidence women attempt to initiate any kind of flirtation or request for dates with men at any rate near men requesting women. Women swipe 2 orders of magnitude less than men. They approach far less than men. How can you make this claim? The percent of men who have the ability to “sex-zone” women is a non-zero value, but VERY small, and not nearly large enough to make up for anything in light of women’s overall selection power. …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 04:06 PM
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Men select for traits that are far more difficult for women to self-improve upon. You have an opportunity here. Improving your confidence IS difficult, but mainly because most people don’t want to put in the work. Go to the gym Pick a passion/stat and max it out Level up at your job Work on all 3 of those on a daily bases (gym every other day is fine) and give it 5 years. You’ll be a completely different person.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 09:56 PM
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Haha have you met people? Literally regardless of gender VERY few people have any idea what they actually want (apart from feelings)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 09:53 PM
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Confidence would be “relative to other men” in much the same way as height so it’s impossible for everyone to be disadvantaged. You can leverage this by choosing what social circles you involve yourself in though.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 04:25 PM
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That’s like the 3rd time you’ve posted that video. I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone that triggered by short form entertainment before.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 11:43 AM
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You'll have to make a clear distinction between "Going on dates" and "Looking for an LTR" Dates are required for most women to get on their knees (for me at least), yet although I never rule an LTR out, the bar for one is far higher and I typically only entertain one once ever 2-3 years and they typically don't last haha.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 12:46 PM
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Any mention of a crazy ex on the first date is wildly common and the biggest IMO
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 11:55 PM
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As a guy though you CAN improve just about all your stats (except height)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 03:41 PM
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Ditch the obsession over looks. No.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 11:07 AM
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Looks absolutely influence how you make someone feel, but there are still other factors as well. Of course if you are exceptionally good looking yes that can make up for quite a lot of deficits.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 10:55 AM
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It just seems like the only alternative to this is what? Force women to accept a man they don't want? I'm confused as to what you're getting at.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 10:12 PM
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No, a woman who is not physically attractive will absolutely struggle in dating. The bar may be lower but there is still a bar.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 07:40 PM
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This makes sense: Men like a challenge. Women seek balance and comfort (naturally of course lol)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 07:29 PM
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Right now you're watching one tiny slice of human behavior and assuming it explains how women work. It doesn't. Give yourself time to become exceptional at something you genuinely enjoy, develop real confidence, and let your personality mature. You'll have a much better understanding of attraction at 20 than you do at 13. And don't get me started on what your 30s will be like if you choose to stay single... The specific observations you've made aren't completely wrong, but one of the things that…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 06:40 PM
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I think there does exist a subset of things that women make more challenging for men moreso than living with a man (at times), but there’s also that whole raising a child thing that they kind of excel at quite a bit, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 01:50 PM
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Anyone who feels the need to post about it like this clearly should.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 01:24 PM
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Still sounds exhausting. I’d rather work on myself than others.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 04:00 AM
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Sounds exhausting. If the world doesn't change have I failed?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:54 AM
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Cheat sheet, OP: “Personality” and “Social skills” = “How he makes me feel”
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:17 AM
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The ol “society needs to change to the way I want it to be” trope. Yes i too would like to change everyone’s work ethic (especially my sales team’s) Id also like to change the tax code And people’s attitude about politics (WHY CANT THEY JUST GET IT LIKE I DO! I UNDERSTAND POLITICS SO MUCH BETTER THAN LITERALLY EVERYONE ELSE!) and people need to stop fucking littering And people need to just… be decent! Especially to me! Also when I’m not decent to other people I have GOOD REASON! they should kno…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 01:17 AM
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Women think men’s sexuality is disgusting… unless they don’t. Why do you think so much sex ends up happening MyDude?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 01:14 AM
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You are free to negotiate this arrangement prior to the date MyDude. If you feel strongly about it, let the girl know. If she doesn’t see eye to eye with you, perfect. You uh… dodged a bullet there I guess…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 12:58 AM
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TL;Dr: “women find MY sexuality disgusting”
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 02:35 PM
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Saw the title and thought: “I bet that’s Lilith” I’m getting good at this
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 10:13 PM
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Eh this is gonna get sticky, and I'll start by saying I completely agree with you, but reality is a little more complicated. 2 things that'll definitely get me downvoted for you to consider: The trope that the majority of "fuckboy" type men who have a lot of casual sex's strategy is to lie about their intentions to trick these poor gullible women into thinking they're looking for something long term to get ONS's or FWB situationships is overwhelmingly false. I'm not saying it's NEVER worked... a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:42 PM
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I’d just select for women who got me off.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 09:57 PM
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This principle is generally true, but more as a spectrum and not as a binary. The better of a catch anyone is (male or female) the more likely they are to be snatched up, and for longer.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 12:53 PM
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I think this is just a classic example of people not being able to verbalize exactly what they want for a number of reasons, and men thinking that simply asking women what they want is going to help them understand what specific adjustments they can make so that the women men desire will desire them in the same way they desire those women. Guy: "What do you want in a man?" Woman "Someone who listens, is honest, cares about my feelings, opens up emotionally, respects me, etc.." The guy is really …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 12:38 PM
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I think when it's done, it typically has more to do with the boyfriend and the fact that he had his pick of women and what that says about female attraction than the particular woman that he picked.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 12:08 AM
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I'm 8.5 long and EVERY LTR has complained about it in a legit negative way. It doesn't bother me much though because... Yeah I can be thankful. That being said, there was ONE TIME that it helped me - I had a hookup refer her friend to me (although that was more because I am uncut than the size, but size was still a factor) Most women feel an uncanny need to re-assure me that I am NOT the biggest they have ever had. I do think that this does contribute marginally to the overall experience of the …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 11:50 PM
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When the nerdiness is a turnoff, it’s typically (IMO as a guy) something tangentially related to it, including but not limited to: - hygiene - asymmetrical features - poor social skills (especially with women) - lack of self-confidence Niche interests such as DnD or Star Trek in itself is not the turnoff.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:38 PM
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Respect the answer, but "lottery winners typically blow it" is a myth. Those are just the ones you hear about. Most lottery winners get smart, lawyer up, and stay quiet.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:03 AM
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Oh, I'd assume I'd have time to prep and I'd relax myself beforehand. Yes, that would also be a prerequisite.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:01 AM
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You wouldn't have to do anything though. You don't have to get hard to be penetrated. And yes of course it's gross. That's why theres a blank check attached to the hypothetical.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:48 AM
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What is it specifically that would give you pause? It's not like you'd have to do anything other than bend over and think about something else for a few minutes... And the way it's set up - you get to name your price. I'm not saying I don't believe you, it's just that homelessness isn't exactly something you can climb out of easily. This hypothetical is literally 20 minutes max.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:48 AM
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So real talk... there's NO AMOUNT OF MONEY that would make you consider it? Seriously ponder it for a second.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:46 AM
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Absolutely, for the right about of money of course. It would be spectacularly uncomfortable. I'd probably be willing to do it for less money if I were in financial distress, and that would probably feel incredibly degrading too. The money on the other hand, would feel great, and would go further than the 15-20min I'm expecting it to take. Other important variables: I'd need a high degree of confidence that secracy would be ensured. I'd need a high degree of confidence that I wouldn't later be bl…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:39 AM
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I mean, how do these conversations go though? I would not get into a relationship with a woman who has created content, yet I consume content. If you asked me “why”? I don’t think I could give any detailed explanation that wouldn’t fall under your definition of “shaming” (I could be wrong though) Yet I don’t “shame women online” for their choices. So with your example, it’s been a minute since I’ve purchased pharmaceuticals from a street rep, but I still wouldn’t want my sister or hypothetical d…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 09:11 PM
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Yeah, I guess if we’re just talking about the men who shame women online, then I completely agree (if they do in fact consume their content.. which id probably also agree is most of them lol) That’s a very small percentage of men, though (even on this sub). A much larger percentage of men would say that they would not date a woman who creates content like that. So when OP said: “ it’s crazy to me how many men shame women online” I was thinking she was referring to the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 09:05 PM
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When you isolate this trait, of course it's going to be a no. The dudes who display this negative trait only do it because they have other traits that compensate for it so they can get away with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 05:41 PM
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If that dude cheats, she will complain about it, but secretly she’s cool with it. Nice. Tell me more.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 05:40 PM
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Saying that you're "loyal" doesn't mean much. Anyone is loyal when it's convenient. Ask someone who their best friend is and how long they've been friends. That'll tell you about loyalty.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 05:39 PM
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"shame women" is different from "not wanting to date a woman who has done it". I think you may be confusing the two. I like dating girls who like sucking dick, but I myself do not like sucking dick. So that's a double standard too I suppose?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 05:36 PM
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If they agree to a date, they're either in or close to your league If they agree to a 2nd date, they're in your league. If you don't want a 2nd date, you're above their league If they don't want a 2nd date, they're above your league.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 11:43 AM
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As a male, adopting the online persona of a male in a business context has been a waste of time. I need to be in-person to get sales closed. What kind of "business context" was this online experiment? Certainly not advertising! I get ads every day on socials telling me I can sell more product if I have a female actress in my online ads...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 11:18 AM
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A lot of people on here seem to think that the existence of exceptions disproves the rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 12:07 AM
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Do you understand the definition of "Picky"?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 12:06 AM
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OK so even if that's true, it doesn't change the fact that they are still far less picky than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 11:41 PM
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Of course, but both can and do get laid if other stats are there.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 10:35 PM
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This. Lilith, if you want to say that men are picky, fine But "men are picker than women" is demonstrably false.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 10:31 PM
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It has way more to do with the circumstances and situation than the particular guy is my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 08:03 PM
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and the guys they sleep with are usually more attractive than the men they enter relationships with I don't think this is true. I DO think that the men women have ACCESS TO for casual sex are generally more attractive than men that would be down for a LTR, but you confuse the algorithm that gets the majority of women to have casual sex, because there's a VERY specific set of circumstances that have to line up in order for your ordinary woman to hook up. It typically comes down to the guy who jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 07:12 PM
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Yeah, my suspicion is that reality is somewhere between my rose-colored view of how my sales career would go and the harsher realities you're pointing out. I'd be willing to accept those risks just to see where the actual dividing line is. I've been in sales for 15+ years. If I retained the same ability to stay calm under pressure, read people, and navigate difficult personalities, I suspect I'd still do very well. I also suspect I'd learn a few things, and be surprised at how certain situations…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 07:06 PM
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Damn, what do you have against dudes named Eric? Weird. Actually yeah, Fuck Eric. Anyways. Assuming my reptilian tendencies were also shifted from liking to be in control and dominant to enjoying my dates taking the lead and being submissive: I'd first probably enjoy a massive spike in job performance. Since I have my brain, I can prove myself knowledgable in my field and get both respect and attraction from my primarily male client base. On the downside, I'd now have to budget a massive amount …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 04:27 PM
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Bro out here with the receipts!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 04:13 PM
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Sounds good I guess I’m the 2nd then
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 03:32 PM
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Like it or not, THERE ARE A TON OF WOMEN (in my opinion) who think EXACTLY like this, but won't say it out loud. About 6 years ago when I started leveling up my game, I had a number of encounters where women actively stopped me from going down on them (after a good 10-20min of sloppy quality BJ from them). Receiving oral is either something a woman LOVES or HATES and you need to figure out who you're dealing with.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 12:39 PM
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Aside from hygiene (which I don't think this is about), what the hell does an "ugly vagina" look like? I'm genuinely curious.. Haven't seen one yet. Enlighten me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 12:36 PM
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My guess is that according to the women on here, RedPill men become attracted to women based on physical appearance... Unlike "normal" men whose attraction is based on personality and virtue.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 12:34 PM
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"lost attraction" is a little bit extreme, but yeah I've definitely had my level of attraction go down (or up) based on how someone looked naked. It's actually always been boobs that have done this for me, come to think of it. One particular girl just always wore tops (and probably bras) that did some voodo black magic to make her boobs like more or less.. 'normal'. I remember the first time I got my hand under her shirt thinking "wait this is weird.. these feel huge". Then when I finally got he…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 12:30 PM
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And men are "good at" simping?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 01:39 AM
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I think you're missing another possible explanation. Most people agree there's a huge difference between a woman sitting alone at home when a stranger breaks in and violently rapes her, and a woman who is somewhat intoxicated with poor boundaries ending up in a sexual encounter she didn't actually consent to with a guy she has been mildly flirting with for a while. Let me be clear before you jump down my throat (because I don't concent to that): Both situations are wrong. Both include a violatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 04:09 PM
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Maybe financially? All the heart-throb guys I know of while growing up were in their 20s or early 30s with a small handful of exceptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 03:58 PM
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It's almost like women's stated preferences and revealed preferences might not always be the same thing. A more accurate statement would be PEOPLE'S Stated vs revealed preferences don't align, but this is being framed in respect to women so It's fair to just focus on women here for the purpose of my 1-sentence response.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 03:54 PM
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Here's what I think she's saying, and I agree with her: Men object to messages like "Choose the Bear" because they feel unfairly portrayed as threats. LITERALLY THE SAME MEN then argue that society should care about male loneliness because lonely men may become unstable, angry, violent, radicalized, etc. That argument implicitly accepts the premise that men are a danger when their sexual or romantic needs aren't met. Therefore those men are undermining their own criticism of feminist narratives.…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 03:47 PM
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Rare insight! And honestly — something not talked about enough!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 12:05 PM
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Damn this is better than the one I came up with lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 12:55 AM
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Men need to really understand that the people they are jealous of because they’re having success truly have been through the fucking ringer and have greeted their teeth, sucked it up, put their head down, and got to work. Most of the complaints that I see from men are centered around other men appearing more successful or better off than themselves, and typically blaming women for it… Usually in the form of insisting women need to make “better” choices. I have male friends who were very blessed …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 05:22 PM
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Agreed not sure if this is exclusive to men though
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:55 AM
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Yes. Absolutely. It works way better than any of the other answers on here. I don’t think most of the people understand how dates work. It’s establishing a vibe, it’s not a job interview.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 09:22 PM
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None, women are crazy 😏
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 09:19 PM
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Yup there’s professions for a lot of things people will do for free for other people because they truly desire them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 08:37 PM
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OP, I would tighten this and say Women, if you were in a live-in LTR or marriage with a straight man, and you suddenly realized that he was gay, and thus, not really attracted to you very much anymore, but still loved you, wanted to stay with you, and would have sex with you, would that change your mind about the relationship? Would you want to leave?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 08:25 PM
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Define "have to" I do/try all kinds of wild shit on dates, mainly for my own amusement. I guess that's just part of who I am. What I'm not going to do is sit and have a first round interview where I state my current life situation, where I see myself in 5 years, my backstory, family history, and "what I'm looking for". If I ever got the impression that a woman was "wanting me to perform niceness" (whatever that means), I'd turn into a sarcastic asshole for about 15 seconds. It would probably get…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 05:48 PM
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Yes. On the big 3 dating apps, Occasionally do some cold approaching, but most of my other lead sources are just tangential connections. At some point I may settle down. I did meet someone off of reddit once but it's not good for that especially now with basically every woman who is flaunting her body being an OF funnel. There's something really thrilling about meeting new people though. I'm here mainly because this is the most interesting "pill" space that still exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 05:41 PM
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Exactly. I always point to the JCPenney case study where they decided to remove all sales and just have transparent pricing. Honesty above all else. Nope. They nearly went bankrupt. People would much rather see a higher price and then the “sale”. even though the sale always exists. People want to feel special.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 03:16 PM
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Totally agree. I think a lot of people in general (again, probably not the women on this sub) fail to realize when a "tactic" is being used on them, whether that tactic is a sales tactic or a pickup tactic. I'm in sales.. one-call-close sales at that... and I sell regularly to people who would say they "don't like sales tactics" Do I loose sales to people who occasionally call me out on my tactics? You bet! Do I make a good living? Also you bet! This would be akin to someone coming up to me and …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 02:49 PM
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The book "the game" discusses this at length, particularly at the end. It's a good read. And it's why I'm purple. TL;DR: The main character learns the tactics and then meets a "high quality" woman and she calls him on his tactics and he stops using them. They fall in love. Happily ever after. The end. I personally believe that the confidence and experience he gained from learning game helped him with the soft skills needed to land the chick at the end, despite him not having to "Use the game" on…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 01:14 PM
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The biggest issue I see is that it feels like the same woman will describe casual sex as "unhealthy," "not for me," or even "wrong" in one context, then describe it as exciting, liberating, or empowering in another. The difference isn't the act itself. It's the man involved and the level of her attraction to him that seems to affect the morality of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 12:28 PM
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It’s never happened. Do you know how you could win this YES/NO/YES/NO Argument?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 11:57 AM
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I’ve seen this argument a couple times in this sub Source? I've been here a hot minute and never seen this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 01:26 AM
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Most people want to be around people who are respectful, kind, and empathetic. But MOST =/= ALL It does stroke the ego when someone who is generally NOT those things tends to show those qualities exclusively for you. And it's also ego stroking for some people when someone is those things to you despite you NOT being those things to them. And then of course there's people who don't believe deep down that they deserve those things. Which is why we're where we're at.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 12:48 AM
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Ok and what are they saying instead of working on yourself? Are they saying women tend to seek out men who make sure they don’t work on themselves?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 03:32 PM
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None of those things said that she gets horny over niceness. Exactly. Nobody is claiming women say "niceness makes me horny." The disconnect is that when young men ask what women want, they're often asking, "What makes a woman romantically / sexually interested in a man?" What they frequently hear back is a list of traits that make someone a good boyfriend: kind, respectful, caring, attentive, puts in effort, listens, etc. Those are valuable traits, but they're not necessarily the traits that cr…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 01:21 PM
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Where are examples of people saying the 2nd parts of this advice? The benifits of the gym are far greater than just helping you find a partner, but if that's your primary motivation, at least you're going to the gym! Better than not going. Same for talking to women. Where are you seeing this advice?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 01:09 PM
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It's typically included in a woman's response to the vague question "what do you want in a man?" The answer typically includes, but is not limited to: someone who listens someone who is kind someone who respects me someone who cares someone who puts in effort someone who shows up Stuff along those lines The problem is, the woman is talking about how she would like to be treated by men she is attracted to, not what initially attracts her in the first place. Dudes take that and run with it and the…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:55 PM
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OK so then be the example and go pursue a woman you're not attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 01:54 AM
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OK cool, how do you recruit women to do some pro-bono "dating of weak men" community service?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 01:44 AM
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And I think this really goes into the whole complaints men have when it comes to AWALT.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 01:11 AM
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"AWALT is stupid...but we're still gonna use it, but pretend in a nuanced way" Isn't that like exactly what you did? I can sit here and agree with you that AWALT is stupid. You brought it into this. Show me the connection. If it boils down to "they're both stupid" then congratulations: you could have stopped after the title without making a pointless argument that isn't related or supportive of your title.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:04 AM
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I actually agree with the title, but (as usual) there's a ton of flaws when we get to the body. Mainly when you start bringing up AWALT which is unrelated. I don't see how it connects to AWALT. "AWALT" is a guardrail for NOOBs when they get obsessed with "this one girl" thinking "She's not like the rest. SHE is special". That doesn't really imply "stop caring about her personality". Her personality can definitely be a factor, and she can in fact, be unique. What AWALT means is that all women ope…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 11:42 PM
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Yes. Here's your breakdown, buddy: Scenario 1: A man crying at his mother's funeral because he's devastated by her death Scenario 2: a man sulking because he didn't get a promotion, complaining that life isn't fair, and looking for his girlfriend to emotionally parent him. RedPillThink loves to pretend there's absolutely NO distinction between these two. Sure, there's some gray areas, but most of the time, there's a distinguishable difference between being a 5yo on the playground crying to his m…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 06:58 PM
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Guns I’m definitely a staunch believer in personal freedoms and the second amendment, but I honestly hate guns personally. I don’t want anything to do with them. To me, they just pose too much of a risk because of the potential damage they can cause that I really don’t think there’s anything cool about playing with them or even owning them. Mentally, I just feel like if I were to own a gun, the chances that it would be involved in an accident are astronomically higher than the chances that I wou…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 06:26 PM
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What is my motte and what is my Bailey?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:36 PM
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This is something the pills agree on though: RedPill: Don't get married. Not worth it. BluePill: She doesn't owe you anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 12:36 PM
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She places a wild importance on getting the guy to invest heavily monetarily, early and before sex, which I can see being refreshing to a lot of confused women who can't understand why they keep getting into situationships, but I also wonder if it really resonates with most women. I watched one of her videos on my drive home out of curiosity and after she got through a shit ton of paid promotions, she got into the meat of it. I can't stand the way she talks but honestly I can't stand the way mos…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 02:23 AM
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If it works for him, fine. Cool, then we're good. ... IDK what you're getting at with "be truthful"? "The men in non western countries treat women worse thus she treats me better" IF this were true, it would also imply that the passport bro is doing something ethically noble. Not sure if you still want to think that or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 07:09 PM
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Women from other countries don't respect men more. I mean... maybe? But the point is that the foreign woman in question DOES respect the passport bro, unlike the American woman he's had encounters with. That's literally the point. That's what matters here. I could care less about the perceived implication of American women. You could argue that American women have higher self-respect or standards. Valid. Again, the passport bro doesn't care. My point is that for whatever reason, the passport bro…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 06:53 PM
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Red pill advice is like "pick up the ball walk around to let the refs know you don't play by their rules!" Except I can't think of any example of a basketball player scoring points or winning games by doing that, regardless of how "low quality" the refs or the other team was. On the flip side, there are countless examples of Ignoring a girl resulting in her infatuation building Dating multiple women resulting in the guy seeming more interesting Negging working Women who create different rules fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 06:46 PM
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It shouldn't be hard to imagine a pretty wide middle ground between two extremes. I agree "it shouldn't". But it is. Did you read my analogy about Dave Ramsey at the end? I'd guess you never float a balance on your credit card. Neither do I. Seems common sense right? Look at just how many people do it though? How do you develop a strategy for them? And encouraging millions of (apparently clueless and gullible) young men to flip completely from one side to the other is neither sound nor responsib…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 05:58 PM
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Any version of "ok maybe for you but that's not the norm" is a good indication your point landed on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 05:50 PM
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I'd pull a lot from JP's "rules" books, but "set your own house in order" is a good place to start. Go to the gym. Work on your passions and talents. Get your career right. Having a stable life you've built on your own gives you the power to think clearly and decide where you want to spend your excess passion and energy. You can't do that if you're constantly being blown around by bills, lack of sleep, insecurities, and drama. Resentment is typically caused by focusing outward (on other people, …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 05:37 PM
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No, there'd be 20 other guys fighting me to do it. I'll let them sort it out. She's good.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 05:30 PM
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I see what you're saying: Both sets of women are operating on the same principle and neither is actually more virtuous or respectful than the other. The passport bro is just getting special treatment because he's different. But again, why would it matter? That's what the passport bro wants. He wants to be respected and valued. He also wants an attractive woman. He can get both. Win-win! His alternative is a less attractive, more overweight woman who doesn't respect him. Can you blame him?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 05:27 PM
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Another day I'm proud to be purple. OK so at face value, I can't disagree with any of the statements you've made outright. TRP is mostly fucked these days, but each of the points you've made does stem from OG RP principles, and there is DAMN good reason behind all of them. So buckle up and let me elaborate: This idea that acting flakey will make her value you more is false and she will just lose interest Probably. Not the best strategy. Probably. However: Instantly responding to her with long pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 05:17 PM
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I’d take it a step further and argue that EVEN women who state 6ft 6figures when asked don’t actually act out that standard in their personal lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 03:32 PM
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Fair point but why would it matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 03:31 PM
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Yup that's exactly what I was thinking. It's wild that they get hate. Good for them honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 01:03 AM
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I don't think this is true. 2 friends come to mind who have successfully done this (if "successfully" means married 5yrs for one and 19 years for the other, both currently still married)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 11:55 PM
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it’s rare to find a woman who likes a passport bro for anything besides his money and a green card. I think that's the point though, right? Also, I'd love to see stats on how long "green card marriages" last vs. your standard American non-religious marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 11:54 PM
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If men keep devaluing women Who are the men devaluing women? The men getting chosen for sex, or the men being overlooked? Men need to stop clinging to a hierarchy that doesn't work Your calling in life is to disrupt this, OP. Choose the men at the bottom. Encourage your girlfriends to do the same. Problem solved.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 07:20 PM
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Bad experiences with shitty men isn't unique to American culture. "Boss bitch" culture is. Then some looser guy calls her out on her attitude and it reinforces it and round and round we go.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 05:12 PM
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Yeah that's fair but where can we go with it? Are you proposing we change society or something? Seems exhausting. I definitely have met my share of respectful American women, but if foreign women are your thing, have at it!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 05:07 PM
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A few factors (I have nothing against passport bros) Halo effect. Foreigners are different and mysterious. They're interesting. Women are inclined to be more respectful because they have far less preconceived ideas about them. Money. Typically the "respectful" women you're talking about know that if an american snatches them up, their quality of life improves dramatically. Culture: Yeah american culture is definitely the most "If you cant handle me at my worst..." Some downsides: Culture barrier…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 04:51 PM
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OK then stop the motte-and-bailey (look it up) BS argument with your 95.1% of young men(sample of 2,689) self-reported using at least one method to coerce a woman into sex that she did not want to have Claim. It's nonsense
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 12:16 PM
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I don't want to sound like I'm downplaying SA, but did you read some of these questions? "Asked her repeatedly to have sex" - uhhhh.. "repeatedly" literally means "more than once". No way in hell that's crossing any kind of line. Oh, and to top it off, it was 51% that "NEVER" asked more than once. So that seems to be where your BS Stat comes from. "Had a friend, partner, or group of friends help you get what you want" - soooo.. a wingman? What the actual hell is this study asking?? "Had a female…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 12:12 PM
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I don't think this is true in the classical definition of "cheating" meaning "bodies touching while naked". Women are far more selective than men when it comes to sex (as you would know and agree with based on your red flair), so a LOT of stars have to align for a woman to spread her legs for someone as opposed to the dude cheating. If you expand "cheating" to mean fantasy about romance, attraction, storyline type stuff, then maybe.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 11:57 AM
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Plot twist: He gives you his Charizard for your anniversary and you know it's true love. Happily ever after, babe.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 11:54 AM
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Obviously, genuine relationships aren't transactional Oh, good call MyDude. Care to elaborate on what counts as a "genuine relationship" in your book? because this like is a major crux of your argument here. Sounds like to you it's definitional? No cheating = "good relationship" = "not transactional" Cheating = not a "good relationship" = "obviously transactional" so we're nowhere? whether "people want to acknowledge that or not". So first question for you: If "genuine relationships" are suppose…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 11:52 AM
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Men in general are more selective on dating apps than a lot of people assume. NO. Compared to the meme of the dude that made the contraption that just swipes right on every woman, sure. But that's not reality. When we talk about reality, we compare MEN to WOMEN on dating apps, and we find that WOMEN ARE INCREDIBLY MORE SELECTIVE. LIke 2 orders of magnitude (that's 100x) more selective. So no.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 11:27 AM
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If this were true then what about women who ARE confident? Pretty sure they still prefer a confident man, regardless of how we define "confidence".
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 02:33 AM
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Because she doesn’t know you. She swiped right because she might be interested. You have to show her you’re normal/not a creep. Making her laugh is the easiest way to do this, then she’ll be down to meet you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 08:43 PM
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A few things about OLD: OK Cupid harsh reality: The site had an INCREDIBLY detailed questionnaire system that could actually predict relationship compatibility based on hundreds of personal questions, and their data suggested the matching algorithm had real value. Guess what? most users ultimately made decisions based primarily on profile photos. In experiments where photos were temporarily hidden, users had more conversations and connected with a wider variety of people, but once photos returne…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 08:32 PM
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I gave up on the big apps a while ago and found a decent localized casual platform that actually filters out the spam, which has been great your post history looking a lot like a promo-bot, just saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 07:49 PM
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Every woman like "eh, I was deeply attracted to a guy just like that at one point"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 07:37 PM
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I'd say it proves that people will simply pivot if they think they have a segway in a debate. It sounds like "what-about-ism" which unskilled debators (both male, female, and non-binary) use. "they don't actually care" and "in a debate" seems a little odd pairing because typically all parties in debates care primarily about winning.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 05:59 PM
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Because for guys that are both decent looking and were raised by families that taught them decent social skills, that advice actually works. I can pick up almost any instrument and play it simply by ear. If I were to give advice on how to play musical instruments, I would say things like play with your heart, practice to help you relax, and be expressive. Because that advice works for me. However, some people need to learn to read sheet music and play fucking scales. I don’t understand why every…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 11:49 PM
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I’m not suffering from lack of options, but a lot of dudes are. It’s more an issue of them not knowing how to talk to women or how to really work on themselves than what you’re saying. OP is coming from an angle of telling people to “limit their options” which is useless for most men who are struggling because the “options” you think they’d have if they “expanded” them still are going to be weirded out if the dude doesn’t know how to talk and lacks inner confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 04:09 PM
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I’m including fat, old, ugly, and raising kids Homeless and disabled would be universal across both genders so it’s fair to exclude that
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 01:54 PM
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they're less attached than men, particularly due to having more options. Have you like... seen a girl when she falls for a guy? Like you can see accurate depictions of this in movies, MyDude.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 10:55 AM
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You can only do this if you have options. Most dudes don't. [some of] RP theory is focused on maximizing options so that you can enjoy the luxury of limiting them to what you actually want.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 03:36 AM
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why is acknowledging that difference so controversial? Imagine a job board with hundreds of offers where: 90% of the offers are scams 5% are terrible jobs 4% are mediocre jobs 1% is actually worth taking Now, go find the 1%! The thing is (and I already hear the dudes cracking their knuckles ready to respond) That's still better than receiving zero offers. But it isn't the paradise someone with zero offers imagines either.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 03:34 AM
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I have 2. One is like a ride or die sister to me. She's thick, black, and has lots of sass. She gives me dating advice and routinely calls me out on all kinds of shit and for some reason with her, I love it. I have absolutely 0 sexual attraction to her. Bless her heart. The other used to be a FWB but after hooking up about 10 times, we both realized we really weren't that compatible sexually. She has a fantasy of being the homewrecker or the girl that the guy just crumbles for and spoils. Not su…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 03:24 AM
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What got you to arrive at these conclusions? Because it sounds like you don’t have much experience with people, especially in a dating context.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 02:19 AM
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Sure she has. What you mean is no woman has said “he’s poor and ugly but he’s respectful so I want to suck his dick”
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 06:09 PM
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There is no correlation. We see the examples of abusive men who are also charming enough to get people to abuse. They also get to abuse a bunch of people because the abusive relationship rarely lasts so they get a fresh start often. I'd imagine there are plenty of "abusive" men who aren't charming enough to get victims.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 02:09 AM
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I can empathize with complaints that are more just lamenting, especially from dudes who just didn't spawn with families that fostered good social skills or who got a bad roll on genetics. I can't empathize when people expect society or women's biological programming to change to accommodate them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 10:48 PM
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I pay for whatever lowest tier: lets me see who liked me gives unlimited swipes. Anything beyond that doesn't help. The algorithm is going to show you to the women who are most likely to swipe right on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 10:45 PM
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The same reason a dude buys a BMW but tries to avoid gold diggers.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 12:41 AM
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Maybe but the point of contention is her use of the term "majority" which means "more than 50%" and you're going to need some big evidence for that. "Look at the DMs of a transwoman" isn't going to support "majority".
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 06:32 PM
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OK but her claim is "a majority of cis het men are into trans women" That simply isn't true. Your claims (which I agree with) is that "a larger percent than most people would think" of cis het men are curious about trans women. That I can get behind. But that's still not "A majority". Hope that helps.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 06:30 PM
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Yes women do typically tend to go after men who make more Correct. as well as a man who has a nicer body, is funnier, has more interesting talents/friends/social network, can make her feel deeper emotions, etc. Then they want to build a "teamate" type relationship with that guy There are prerequisites before you get to the teemate part. I'd like to be teammates with Sydney sweeny. Regardless of how good a teammate i'd be, I don't meet her prereq's. Hope that helps.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 05:42 PM
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Yeah that's a real thing, it's not right, men who do it are shitty, but most importantly, it's not what I'm getting at. Both of these things can be true. One doesn't excuse the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 05:00 PM
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Googled the definition: the act of treating a person as a commodity, tool, or inanimate thing rather than a fully sentient being with their own agency and emotions. I'll take the downvotes. I think that most women do have moments in their life that they would like to experience this. Obviously it's not on the guy to judge when she wants that - women are crystal clear (in my experience) when they want this. But just because you can't imagine yourself wanting this doesn't mean "other women, not yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:47 PM
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Why do you think that (before OF), the sub "gonewild" had so many submissions? What were those women getting at? Why do you think women (other women, not you) who have never had casual sex sometimes decide to hookup when they're on vacation? Why do you think women (other women, not you) spend hours dolling themselves up before going out to a bar or club and then put everything on display while they dance? Why do you think women (other women, not you) spend time objectifying other women's appeara…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:29 PM
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Facts you have to consider about the orgasm gap: It is far easier for the average man to achieve orgasm than the average woman. Although it is very easy for a dude to fake a PIV orgasm if he's wearing a condom, for some reason, I don't think men fake orgasms nearly as much as women fake them. A man can't exactly protest and "insist" on giving the woman an orgasm if she fakes one. If a woman fakes an orgasm, the man loses the opportunity to learn what worked and what didn't. Women have sex for a …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:22 PM
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The birth of a child is a massive expense regardless and I'm assuming we're filtering for pregnancies that were a result of consent on both sides. I'm fine with "paper abortions" as far as involvement from the father, but not financially. You're taking a risk when you stick your dick in a girl. Society doesn't yet have a way to mitigate that risk for the dude. Plan your actions accordingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:12 PM
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I've said it many times, and I'll say it again. Women want to be objectified: ONLY the right guy at the right place at the right time. Women DON'T want to be objectified otherwise. Level yourself up to be more likely to be "the right guy" and read the room (again, experience helps. Lower your standards at first and start swinging). Women are very good at signaling when they would like to be objectified.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:07 PM
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I think you're conflating two separate claims: TRP does not turn average men into elite dating performers. Therefore TRP doesn't "work" for most men. I agree with #1. I disagree with #2. Begin rant: I get it, the average guy isn't going to ever become the male equivalent of a model, celebrity, or top-tier hookup guy, regardless of how many reps he puts in at the gym. But that SHOULDN'T be the standard useds to judge whether self improvement "works." Like... compared to what?? Compared to staying…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:04 PM
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I'm not sure what you're getting at. 90% of content online is specifically crafted to what the creator things will stroke the algorithm. I don't understand how the average person scrolls reels without keeping this in mind. It honestly scares me.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 03:44 PM
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Delete if this doesn't count as "disagreeing" but it annoys me when people make this (correct) point without any followup as to WHAT THE HELL DOES ACTUALLY RAISE HER INTEREST? Like, most of the dudes here can't get interest in the first place, which is why they resort to super-inefficent tactics to hold attention like what you mentioned. Go to the gym. Lift moderate amount of weights 15ish reps per excercise, 3-5 sets. Make it burn. Focus on form. Favor free weights (but honestly just going to t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 08:15 PM
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Listen if you’re gonna continue having a canversation with me (note the spelling), you have to misspell something and tell me to note the spelling in your response. Do better.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 01:05 PM
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In my bedroom.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 01:27 AM
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I didn't read the convo I was jumping into, but I will say that I'd TOTALLY love a copper device shoved up my eurethra that kept me from getting a girl pregnant and lasted 10 years. I'd do that in a heartbeat. I wouldn't say I've every felt "Angry"about not having it though. More like "Damn that would be convenient" kind of sentiment. Ironically what sparked it was a feminist friend of mine who posted a humerus (notice the spelling) video trying to imply that men wouldn't put up with what women …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 12:01 AM
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Sexually no. This is no different from my attraction to women now. The women I find attractive are widely found attractive by the entire male species lol
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 11:01 AM
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Men value youth and beauty in women far more than the other way around. Men also largely DON'T CARE about status, and care much less about emotional maturity than the other way around. So no, women tend to peak 18-24.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 10:10 AM
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No but a short (or otherwise unattractive) dude can level himself up which will improve his attractiveness in comparison to an equally unattractive woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 02:31 AM
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I'm saying that a 30s man with a 20s woman is much more common than a 30s woman with a 20s man. This could be MORE because 30s women aren't interested in 20s men like 30s men are interested in 20s woman though.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 01:05 AM
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Not usually but much moreso than a woman in her 30s
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 12:59 AM
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Overall attractiveness. Mostly emotional maturity and status that drives it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 11:23 PM
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Yeah I'd say it peaks at 35 and it declines slowly after that. Both of these things can be true.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 09:43 PM
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Compared to what? People's dating prospects are strongly reduced the greater the age gap. This isn’t even unique to men. A 35 year old woman will also generally have a harder time attracting 19 to 23 year old men than a 22 year old woman will. That’s just how age gaps work. The fact that younger women usually prefer men relatively close to their own age is not some special “male decline after 30” phenomenon. It’s the normal expectation for both sexes. If anything, men historically maintain wider…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 09:26 PM
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OK I'll walk back the point about unattractive women not being able to get relationships because I'm not committed to that argument enough to dig for a source and from what I saw when I clicked yours, it seems legit. (I'm curious as to where these boyfriends come from though, are they settling? I'd imagine that the single lonely men aren't dating anyone so are these unattractive women just doubling up on boyfriends or something? how does the math work out here?), but I stand by my point that the…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 08:39 PM
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I'll need a [Citation] for your claim as well. just because unattractive women are invisible to you and you see attractive women all the time doesn't mean unattractive women are .01% of the population. You're the one giving percentages here, so show me where that stat comes from. I'm using terms like "more" and "less". The rest of this is turning into a Nuh-uh yeah-huh back and fourth. I could show you Ed Sheeran or Peter Dinklage but you'd probably just be like "nah they were already attractive…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 07:35 PM
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Yes because most unattractive men are unattractive by choice. So statistically there is a larger group of unattractive men who will stay single and lonely. However, some men in that group will migrate OUT of it, and the ones who do end up doing it simply by making smart choices to position themselves in a more attractive frame. You DON'T see women from the bottom of the barrel doing this nearly as much. OP said: You could be the funny guy who makes women laugh, the muscular guy who built his bod…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 06:54 PM
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OK and my point is that a woman who is a 4 has far LESS of an opportunity (unless she's overweight). No NO opportunity. Just LESS in COMPARISON to a dude who's a 4.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 06:50 PM
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I'm talking about general unattractiveness. For overweight, both men and women would benefit from loosing weight. However, Women are more likely to overlook the physical for the emotional. This idea seems to short circuit some people here's brains because they watched Hoe_Math draw a bunch of lines very neatly with a colored pencil so it must be representative of the entire world without exception. You don't see a dude who's a 10 hooking up with a woman who's a 4. Find me an example of that EVER…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 05:59 PM
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OK so compare this to an unattractive woman though. I agree that an AVERAGE looking dude vs AVERAGE looking woman, The dude has to put a ton of work in whereas the average woman just has to download a dating app. but for unattractive people, the dude CAN do some work whereas for the woman there's not much at her disposal.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 05:38 PM
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OP's point is that at least a man who isn't physically attractive has SOME options at his disposal to level himself up and get somewhat of a quality woman, whereas an unattractive woman is more or less genetically cursed and can't do much to get a quality man.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 05:13 PM
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Husband material We covered this one in a different thread yesterday HAHA
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 04:10 PM
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I thought dating app swipe stats proved this? How are you re-defining the wall to make it not a thing? Women in their 20s get 3x the attention of women in their 30/s from all ages. This is not an opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 03:21 PM
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Because women need to morally criminalize male dissatisfaction No. It's because the girl can't understand why the guy feels entitled to something she doesn't want to give. That's my point, it's all there, you can stop reading... ... I can't believe we're still on this. Now we've come full circle and BOTH FUCKING SIDES keep trying to MORALIZE something that is mostly about attraction. She's treating him just as good as she treated her ex: She's giving him the version of herself she feels like giv…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 02:56 AM
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Not married, but as for prenups: you're getting a prenup one way or the other. Either the government writes it, you you and your spouse write it. I prefer the latter regardless. As for paternity tests, you shouldn't have unprotected sex with anyone you think you might need a paternity test for. I don't understand what that's so difficult for some dudes. Maybe my obsession with blowjobs makes the desire to nut inside a girls pussy not as intense idk.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 01:01 AM
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Good point, but there is also literally no other group of people that have that much of a shitshow amount of tea. And I have dabbled in kink communities as well (kink communities are honestly the least dramatic. IMO if you're kinky AND can get a LTR, it will probably be much more sane and emotionally regulated but I digress). I'm not saying my sample proves it. But it does appear that my sample fits the obvious mechanism (that being people think they can handle more than they can)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 10:11 PM
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Sounds like it might be the shorter guys who have a problem with it then?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 10:02 PM
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Because I’m going off of what you said.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 09:34 PM
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It’s in the single digits but you don’t just meet swinger couples, you also get all the tea from their swinger friends And it’s 100% of the small sample size so I’m pretty confident it’s not common for a swinger couple to have the same or lower level of drama than the average monogamous couple. Because that’s also how statistics works.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 09:33 PM
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“I’ve like, never had a man who’s not into trans women approach me before, they’re not that common”
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 09:21 PM
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that's going to depend on how you define "common" and what you think of as "the average trans woman" and "the average woman"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 08:56 PM
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There you go, you just re-worded it in a way that I agree. You started by saying a majority of cis het men are into trans women. A huge amount =/= the majority
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 08:55 PM
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Did you ever notice that none of those behaviors are gendered honestly, no. maybe punching holes in walls or physical violence, but none of the ones you mentioned.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 08:23 PM
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Sexually: Physique, emotional dominance, ability to make her feel more consumed with desire than anyone else Socially: tall, good catch, “she lucked out with him” kind of vibe Personally: want her to feel safe discussing any topic without fear of judgement or that she’d annoy me. Also secure enough to know I’m either going to take her side or diplomatically call her out, and that if I’m choosing to call her out, there’s probably good reason why. Emotionally: that I’m patient enough to sit with h…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 06:37 PM
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This I would find hard to believe. “Trans women have far more dating options than the average person would assume” I could definitely get behind “A large portion of men who identify as straight would hook up with a trans woman given the chance and guarantee of secrecy” I’d also agree with But this comment and your other one about “the majority of men” is a stretch.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 05:59 PM
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The majority of cis het men that you interact with as a “postgender woman” are into it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 05:54 PM
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That’s not unique to capitalism, capitalism just lets a small percentage of people actually achieve it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 05:53 PM
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I outlined situations where it does and doesn’t. Are you challenging that specifically or did you just not read everything?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 05:52 PM
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Let’s say most women suddenly decided they would only sleep with men who could at least overhead press 0.75× their body weight, bench press 1.25×, squat 2×, and deadlift 3× their body weight (the numbers probably need some adjustment for scaling). This would create endless online content about guys questioning it and trying to disprove it. You'd see handsome tall influencers who couldn't lift one of the requirements making content where they walked up to overweight pickme types and asked to take…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:42 PM
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Let me guess.. she has an OF
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 03:35 PM
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So "spouse material" for both genders includes, but is not limited to: My family would approve They are likely to stay faithful They are responsible to raise a family with This COULD include "They're hot and the sex would be amazing" but doesn't necessarily have to include that, so weather it's an insult or not is contextual "yeah but she's more wife material" in comparison to a provocative hot girl with neon hair and a septum piercing could be seen as insult. Likewise, “he’s husband material” c…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 01:48 PM
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having everything you want Sounds like "human" not capitalist... "Believing that if you can obtain everything you want means you deserve it" might be what you were trying to get at, and I'd say it fits.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 01:36 PM
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Im fine with using whatever terminology you feel comfortable with but it doesn’t change what I said, it just re-words it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 01:12 PM
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However the women who kill their own children are evil. I agreed with you up until here. Evil would be someone intentionally getting pregnant just so they could do an abortion. That's like... not how it works. And you would kill them for funsies? TheFuck dude? Maybe don't have sex if u can't take care of them . People should be responsible. People aren't always responsible (see: Credit card debt, Prediction markets, Payday loans) When people make mistakes, they should have common sense options t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 02:22 AM
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I have no interest in regulating other people's business but I will say that every real-life "open" or "swinger" couple I've met was a fucking shitshow and a half. If you want to fuck around, just be single for christ sake. It's not complicated.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 02:14 AM
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The "Tests" women run are largely subconsious. BUT Yes, women may consiously run hyper-specific tests like this, but when they're at that stage, 90% of the "data" retrieved from said tests is going to further confirm that she needs his dick inside her. He already passed the "tests" because now she's consciously invested enough in him to make up some BS "Test" like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 01:19 AM
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I mean, if dudes are shaming women for their decisions and acting like they're entitled when they have no prospects, what do you expect?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 11:35 PM
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Kink is too broad a term. Taylor swifts kink is karma. A date recently told me hers was words of affirmation. But to answer your question more good faith, yes there’s a “praise kink” which is generally accepted by the BDSM community that would qualify.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 06:48 PM
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“Sex is a reward” “Sex is supposed to be an indicator of how a man is doing in his life” These 2 statements are different. I agree with one of them (although I’d take out the “supposed to be”)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 02:57 PM
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Right so now this just becomes an argument over what “kinky” entails
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 02:39 PM
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“Better” is doing a lot of work in your title. So is “kinky” tbh. So it’s easy to argue If she was really good at giving a slow submissive bj for example with spit, dirty talk, gagging, and begging… and did it for her ex / some dude she hooked up with in between / then stopped doing it when she met you - one could easily say that they go “better treatment” therefore proving your title wrong and validating the quote from your post that I quoted first.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 12:03 PM
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It likely depends on a lot of factors like how comfortable they feel with that guy, how well they know him, sort of vibe he has. There ya go, you said it. This negates the title as well as the last paragraph and tells the dude exactly how she feels about him. Then you can take that info and compare it to: How comfortable she felt with her ex How well she knew her ex The sort of vibe she had with her ex And learn what she thinks of you based on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 11:42 AM
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r/MyBoyfriendIsAI has around 44k members. r/MyGirlfriendIsAI has around 7k.The difference is 6-fold. Still compelling, don't know why you had to lie to triple the factor This argument collapses almost immediately. Second, subreddit size is an insane proxy for “what straight women want.” r/MyBoyfriendIsAI was created in August 2024 and is restricted, while r/MyGirlfriendIsAI was created in January 2025 and is public. Different launch dates, different moderation, different community norms. CrushOn…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 01:37 AM
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I'd love to continue disappointing women without having the added safety risk factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 12:14 AM
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“I know a guy who is attractive but repeatedly shoots himself in the foot by revealing he has insecurity issues and low emotional intelligence by making poor attempts at being funny” is a good observation, but it doesn’t mean that you CANT win a woman’s heart with humor. Humor when used effectively is often the grease on the gears that keeps an interaction flowing naturally. It also breaks the ice and gets people’s guard down.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:43 PM
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Everything is always Harder than it used to be More expensive than it used to be Not as good as it used to be Not as fun as it used to be etc. Get better. Innovate. Adapt. Outsmart.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 01:20 AM
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This AND I don't have to searching for what I like to watch, it's literally displayed. The most searched categories are going to show you which are the most popular "niche" categories. The home page has your standard vanilla casting/girl next door stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 01:14 AM
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OK I think I can leave this thread at this: I actually agree with what I could steelman your underlying principle is: "Self knowledge, intentionality, discernment, communication skills, emotional regulation, "compatibility" (I swear that word is doing WAY too much work and is useless but I digress), etc... matter MORE for maintaining a healthy relationship than generic maxxing alone." Once you already have a relationship with a mentally stable partner. My position is simply that the kind of men …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 08:46 PM
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Welcome to the red pill, Lilith. We agree on something finally. Good post.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:23 PM
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You keep responding as though you're disagreeing with me while quietly absorbing almost every point I'm making. Yep, your script will still help you find someone Correct. Glad we established that. Now let's deal with the rest of this: No shit. I never argued otherwise. You seem weirdly obsessed with finding exceptions to self improvement as though exceptions invalidate patterns. This is classic blue-pill responses or responses from women on here who just want to prove me wrong. It's exhausting. …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:18 PM
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I find it unhealthy if it's only for the sake of dating Good thing it's perfect for the sake of just about everything. Also dating is not about getting any woman but the women you're conpatible with. Right because people know exactly who they're compatible with right? What if you had to meet a bunch of people to discover who you're "compatible" with? do you think that having a wider range of options that interested you would be helpful? why or why not? they are "generic nice things" in the field…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:56 PM
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My advice would be to make DAMN sure you'd be OK with never having sexual access to anyone other than your spouse before you get married, but at this point we've gotten off topic. You are free to disagree with my case for sexual/romantic preferences being nearly identical to ice cream preferences and if there's a way I can respond without repeating myself, my fingers are ready...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:39 PM
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My script: Go to the gym every other day(ish) and lift moderate freeweights focusing on slow reps with good form. Anthony Ellis’ “Secrets to Building Muscle Mass” was basically my starter guide. Free PDF online. Also don't eat shit food (For me, it was cutting out sugar/complex carbs. Not complicated, didn't use a macro tracker or any of that bullshit. keep it simple). Thank me later. Pick something you're passionate about or naturally talented at and spend at LEAST an hour a day deliberately pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:29 PM
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Lots of women in this thread have said they have one type Of course they have. Just like I said birthday cake is the GOAT They're not lying. Neither am I. I truly prefer birthday cake! But that doesn't mean I'm always in the mood for it. Birthday cake isn't always available though, and sometimes I want something different, even if it's just to try something new. I will never choose pistachio though. Not my thing And I'll never choose vanilla at the ice cream parlor. Seems like i'm shorting mysel…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 02:57 PM
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Your entire post IS TECHNICALLY TRUE, but it reads like someone criticizing Dave Ramsey’s advice like: “Um actually wealthy people use debt as leverage, tax writeoffs, business acquisition, real estate investment, etc.” Yeah... no shit. That’s TRUE. But that’s not who Dave Ramsey is FOR. I can totally understand you may be the kind of person who has never floated a credit card balance once in your life, diligently invests 20% of your income into stocks and bonds, maybe messes around with crypto …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 02:48 PM
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It’s actually a PERFECT comparison. Sure, you "like lots of ice cream flavors though", but you still have preferences and patterns. AND THEY SHIFT! Depending on your mood, how hungry you are, what you’ve had recently, who you’re around (I get judged at ice cream parlors for picking birthday cake even though it's clearly the GOAT), or even whether you’re eating alone vs with friends, you might choose something completely different. Sometimes you revisit a flavor you used to love and realize you’r…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 02:19 PM
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As much as I want to find angles to which I agree, I have to hard disagree based on the implication that "following the script" is inherently EASY, and seems to be an implied one-shot-and-you're done kind of thing. Nice job outlining what "the script" even is, btw. Could you define it? I'd love to watch you try to. You're framing this as "finding compatibility" Dude, no one fucking knows what "compatible" looks like. Opposites attract. Ignoring red flags is the hard norm. People make decisions b…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 02:10 PM
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Sex is awfully important if you've made really big promise that you're only going to get it from one person and that one person decides it's not important. Which is why I'm single haha.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 01:44 AM
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A little of both. It’s also incredibly situational, which is why dating app pics are all about the context.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 05:59 PM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 05:06 PM
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"redpill" can mean a wide variety of things, which is why I consider myself purple pill. Ironically there was a documentary on "redpill" and it was basically all MRAs and didn't reflect much of anything I think of when I think of "redpill". Honestly the book of pook is probably what I'd say I align most with philosophically and that was on the old school reddit RP sidebar.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 01:43 AM
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Men who are willing to pursue lots of casual sex are more likely to accumulate casual sex (I know, shocker) That doesn’t automatically mean women prefer immoral men. It may mean immoral or uninhibited men self-select into behaviors and environments where casual sex is more common. The other part of this is the "People who are more advantaged than me are less moral than me unless they specifically demonstrate otherwise" framework. Guy wishes he could get laid Guy sees other dudes who can get laid…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 12:23 AM
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Then she was a 4. So objectively you could have had the best of both worlds: a 10 to you (as you admitted) AND a 10 to everyone else Option a wouldn’t have fixed anything: she was already a 10 to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 11:26 AM
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The reasoning you gave supports you'd lean toward B. It is honestly why I'd be tempted for B.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 01:40 AM
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\thread
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 12:44 AM
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A obviously. I always liked the hypothetical: You can have a stellar relationship with whatever kind of sex you’re into, no drama, ride or die girl, 100% loyal she turns down any advance from other guys BUT: A: she’s whatever you want her to look like perfect 10 TO YOU, but the rest of the world sees her as a 5 B: she’s a 5 to you, but the entire rest of the world sees her as a perfect 10 and you landed her. Again, she’s 100% loyal in both scenarios. I’d have a legit hard time with this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 12:15 AM
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You’ve gotta pick something different that would be actually attractive like a spouse that is your best friend but is asexual or a different hookup partner 3-4x a week
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 09:05 PM
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Seems like this is a conversation couples need to have, but "talking to other women" is doing a lot of work there for you, this is sure to get a ton of pushback from people who are going to define "talking to other women" to mean everything from having a conversation to engaging in intercourse.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 12:55 AM
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OK so are you just providing a data point of yourself as what I would consider an "exception to the rule" or are you saying that my "rule" is wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 08:25 PM
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I totally agree that women are a fucking mystery and understanding them is damn near impossible. But at the same time there are definitely dudes with better social skills than others. Sit with the idea that "both of these things can be true" and it's understandable why a woman would feel like she just prefers a guy who can "read the room" even if that's a little bit ambiguous to most men...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 07:52 PM
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Or they don’t like guys who cant read the room and they want to date guys who can? Seems simple to me
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 07:04 PM
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I’m trying to find the part where I said that other people don’t enjoy it. Help me out?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 07:03 PM
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So was I just enjoying country music because I was with a girl who was into it?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 07:02 PM
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Relevant Honestly I don't know of any reason someone goes to a club other than to be noticed. Not that there's really anything too specifically unique about that if you're in a relationship. People use social media and even daily outfits to get noticed. Guys (and girls) go to the gym to develop a body that gets noticed. So I'm not knocking it. And if she has friends that go to the club "I was going with my friends" is always an alibi and it can be difficult to parse out what her actual intention…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 06:08 PM
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Here's my thoughts on some incorrect presuppositions you may have: Most women don't really think about sex in the same way that men do. So if a woman starts dating a dominant dude who knows how to get her into her "submissive" space, she'll typically respond by loving it, imagining that she's always loved it, and going with the flow. Men on the other hand discover something that they like (Cars, DnD, Sex, Airplanes, Pokemon cards) and build a portion of their life about it. They post in forms, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 05:28 PM
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Honestly the criticism that I’ve gotten from women for doing this has been like the biggest compliment to me ever. Keep it coming.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 03:56 PM
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You're completely missing what's actually going on. Your assumption is that "women don't actually like casual sex, but will have it if a 'relationship' is dangled in front of them like a carrot" False. It's like you're trying to sell a Lamborghini by lying and saying its great on gas mileage, has tons of storage space, and is packed with safety features. No one falls for that. Buy they MIGHT still buy. Why? Because you revved the fucking engine. Women have casual sex when a guy flirts, teases, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 12:38 AM
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Well then... I get off work at 6, Happy Friday, WYD?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 04:53 PM
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We moralize it when men make butthurt statements or blame women/feminism/nonsense theories for not being selected.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 04:51 PM
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TL;DR: Anyone who feels the need to remind you that they are: Rich Nice Popular Is in fact, NOT that thing. Conversely, people who casually say "I'm a bit of an ass" - probably a cool chill person "I can't afford it" - probably not living paycheck to paycheck "I'd love to hang out but I don't have time" - has lots of friends
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 04:50 PM
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I doubt it would move the needle on casual sex BUT a good percent of women in LTRs would probably become sex nymphs lol. Their boyfriends would be like GOD DAMN CALM THE FUCK DOWN WOMAN!!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 04:47 PM
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TL;DR The same traits that make you good at sales or running a business will also get you pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 04:46 PM
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I'd rather be alone UNLESS: She was chill, cracked jokes on occasion, and didn't start drama. I had 0 sexual attraction to her. She contributed to the finances in some form of a meaningful way (like at least 30ish percent, just spitballing) I was 100% sure I had zero other options If all 4 of those were met, yeah I'd take a cool roommate. But I couldn't stand sleeping next to someone I wanted to fuck and not being able to.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 04:44 PM
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Myth. If you swipe right on everyone you'll end up swiping right on ads and it will be a headache. If you've actually used dating apps, they will tell you how many likes you have every time you open it and try to get you to pay to unlock them. Even assuming half of them are fake accounts or bots, there are some real ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 04:39 PM
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You're making the mistake of thinking that a woman considers every man that she matches with as an "option" I'm defining an "option" as someone who would be OK with going on a date with you if the socially acceptable methods of arranging the date were followed. Women have MORE (a lot more) BUT Most men have a non-zero number.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 04:37 PM
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so many of those women rather be single Yeah and next week they're in a relationship. It is true that a lot of men who say they have no options do have some options Sounds like both men and women are not completely honest then? You see it in men, why not in women?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 04:34 PM
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Yeah it's just like I could take it or leave it. It's vaginal with extra steps. It's like.. tighter, but only at first, and the extra tightness: Only lasts a short time. Doesn't really translate to feeling better for me even in the beginning (maybe im werid) Comes with the extra mental workload of not knowing if you're really getting her off or if you're injuring her lol. (this could change in a LTR though, I wouldn't know) Typically makes oral or vaginal off limits for the remainder of the sexy…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 04:28 PM
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Only if you hold women to the same standard for "finds them attractive" - meaning if a man finds a woman attractive, he'd make a move or "swipe right" If you mean that only 10% of men have women who approach them and shoot their shot at some point, I agree. But most men have to put in work to find a woman. 90% of men could get a woman, but they: Would have to put in work Might not find her attractive The point is that men aren't considering options they don't want as "options" And neither are wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 04:16 PM
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Ahhh I see Women’s standards are subjective, but YOUR standards are objective!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 01:53 PM
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OPs claim was about either gender claiming they had “no options” You can talk about how women have more options all day long, but the fact remains that both men and women have a subjective standard for what they consider an option
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 10:26 AM
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I clearly said women have MORE options. We can agree on that all day. Assuming they’d swipe right on “fatties”, most dudes would get a match or two from time to time. The rest of your post after your hypothetical dating app example seems to agree with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 10:18 AM
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Well shit. Yeah I don’t have to worry about any of my partners dislocating theirs
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 10:05 AM
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haha maybe in my weird fantasies but I'm pretty sure no dude is "too big" for receiving oral pleasure. It's more like a "sliding scale" of what percent of your dick gets to receive it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 03:00 AM
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I could imagine rationalizing if a girl had never performed oral but we were really into each other being ok with that boundary. But I could not imagine it if she had enthusiastically performed and enjoyed it with someone else but was making that boundary with me. That would be a deal breaker
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 11:07 PM
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Yes I’m adjusting for men having to put in work. And very few women choose options that they don’t have to put in work for. They’d rather reach for someone who they believe is a catch
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 09:57 PM
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No and I’m not sure how I’d prove it. I’m also guessing you think it’s a far smaller percentage and I’m not sure how you’d prove it. EDIT: I thought about this and actually yes. If a dude created a dating app and put some work into it, I'd wager that 90% would have at least 3 potential matches within a week, so that's statically at least 1 (filtering for bots or fake accounts)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 09:55 PM
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It's an indication that someone has made different rules for you and the possibility that they made those different rules for you because of how the perceive you is important. Obviously it's a nuanced topic and there are often good reasons for why people have either changed or view something differently. Obviously it's never acceptable to pressure someone into something they don't want to do. But if I dated a figure skater and went to every competition and brought flowers for her, never missed o…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 09:51 PM
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There are exceptions to every rule. I'd grant that the bottom 10% of men probably would have to actually search far and wide to find an option even if the only requirement was "A female between 18 and 10 years older than me". The point is though that everyone doesn't consider people they're not remotely attracted to as an "option".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 09:39 PM
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I will admit this is a really fucking hot take, but I stand by it. It literally means the same thing: "I have no options that interest me" Yes, the average woman has about 100x MORE options (Source: Dating apps) BUT 90% of dudes HAVE options. They are just invisible and too much work - literally the same reason why women don't take 90% OF their options. That woman that you would never consider dating in a million years because she's fat and ugly? Guarantee you if you asked her on a date and came…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 09:36 PM
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I love how this is posed as a "Question for women" It's not my responsibility or desire to change society. I simply see what's happening and then position myself accordingly. This is like saying "How do I get the stock/crypto that I'm holding to GO TO THE MOON?" You don't. You can't. You (attempt to) buy and sell at the right time.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 09:32 PM
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IDK I've met some really freaky moms on dating apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 09:29 PM
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Nah OP is totally convinced that women NEVER volunteer this kind of information. Your story is fabricated, bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 09:21 PM
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It's me. I'm the one you've come for. I've literally had this situation before (sans the relationship... women volunteer information on dates way more often than some people here seem to think IDK what to tell you) I'm fine with it. Anal isn't my cup of tea. I can learn to take a compliment. Now, if it was oral sex, yes, that would be a dealbreaker.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 09:20 PM
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Yeah, this AND I think it's easier for women's emotional response to the way he makes her feel to override the graying hair, receding hairline, beer belly, or wrinkly skin. Women are visual, but LESS visual in comparison to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 09:12 PM
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Yeah, but you're going to run into every guy screaming "OTHER MEN THOUGH, NOT ME"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 09:10 PM
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This is like saying that because I like watching straight porn where the dude gets his dick sucked that I secretly am a cuck who would get off watching my girl suck someone else's dick or a voyer who would like to watch 2 people having sex. I'm neither. But I do love watching a good ol' bj vid...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 09:01 PM
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Dude SAME!!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 09:00 PM
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Also, I definitely do assume that women will sometimes do a sexual act for a man simply because the man likes it even if the woman does not (Are you really implying that this never happens? Most women have a story of this…) That’s not what I’m getting at in scenario 2 though (which is the crux of my argument) Scenario two is the woman genuinely did like it with one guy as opposed to with another guy. Which I think does happen as well. This has nothing to do with my or any man in this situation’s…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 10:28 AM
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Idk sometimes people talk about that kind of stuff?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 10:15 AM
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That’s actually really insecure of you Also that wasn’t a personal attack!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 10:14 AM
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No, it would fit if: I wanted Anal She said she doesn't like anal I decided I was ok without anal I later found out that "she loved it with the other guy…" and also had reason to believe that all the other variables (girth, for example) were more or less equal. I was literally giving you an example where: She said she wanted anal with me, initiated, and we engaged in it. It was meh for me (she seemed to like it) "she loved it with the other guy(s)…"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 03:23 AM
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Your other comment got removed because you have to do the 'np.reddit.com' thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 03:19 AM
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Yeah and I'm sure she'd have loved it with me as well if: I was the same girth as the other guy I was into it as much as the other guy Not a deal-breaker for me by any means.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 03:16 AM
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OK so you agree with me then.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:46 AM
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I think u/DrunkOnRamen may have been referring to when you said: My response is that you're insecure and frankly a little lacking in critical thinking. Which is, by definition, a personal attack, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:44 AM
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So you're saying "situations similar to this sometimes happen but there's always tangental legitimate reasons for the change in behavior. It's never as cut-and-dried as: she doesn't see her current partner as the kind of guy that gets the same access to her sexuality as a previous partner" Am I steel-manning you?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:43 AM
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Nah that's transactional. I could walk up to the counter and be justified in demanding one because I paid for it. This is more nuanced. In relationships, things are freely given out of desire. I'm making the argument that it's reflective on desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:36 AM
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Yeah. And if he wasn't doing it for me then I'd know he wasn't into me and end things Good. we're on the same page.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:35 AM
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OK I agree but I clearly outlined in my original post that I was not referring to coercion so if you're going to drag that into the discussion, you need to preface it with "I know you agreed that this isn't about coercion, but for a lot of guys who share this view..." or something like that. which would lead the argument toward the "this is too rare to be a legitimate discussion" rebuttal.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:34 AM
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If this honestly happened to a guy that sucks of course. Cool, welcome to the discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:31 AM
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If I said the first thing to a guy it would mean I wasn't into him. That's exactly what I was getting at.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:30 AM
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It's been enjoyable watching the responses in here, especially from women. It seems to me to be "I can't imagine myself being like that, therefore you're delusional for thinking that it happens and it's probably your own insecurity speaking". Thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:29 AM
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Me: I'm specifically referring to scenario 2. I understand and agree with scenario 1. You: Nah It's actually always scenario 1 and you have a problem with scenario 1.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:27 AM
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What's your opinion on my vacation analogy?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:25 AM
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Like, she’s just insulting you by telling you in no uncertain terms that she just doesn’t like you. Thank you for saying the quiet part out loud. There's a ton of people rebutting my post that can't seem to process this.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:24 AM
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I don't see why he wouldn't want to. Doesn't have to be the same exact thing in my example, but something that reflects the same amount of investment.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:23 AM
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Usually the dude finds out on his own some other way, and it's usually not a result of intentional digging. Like a friend shares something or an old picture comes up.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:21 AM
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Usually the dude finds out on his own some other way, and it's usually not a result of intentional digging. Like a friend shares something or an old picture comes up.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:20 AM
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I've actually gotten that one a few times, but honestly I've never had an amazing anal experience. It's not really my cup of tea. Too much work. I'll take the compliment and stick to the other 2 options.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:19 AM
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Your option 3 is more accurately "A man who doesn't understand logic" then. Was he under the impression that your anus didn't need lube for previous partners? If not then you're offering him the same menu you offered your previous partners. Not an issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:18 AM
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You may be OK with not getting the act. One scenario that comes to mind for me is threesomes. It's unreasonable for me to require a female prospect to be down for adding another girl in the bedroom, but if she's presented herself to me as the kind of girl who "doesn't do that" and then I later find out through a friend that she used to do it all the time with an ex, that's going to raise some questions. Does that make sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:13 AM
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I want to be pragmatically loved, not lustfully loved. False dichotomy. If that's really the case then, you should definitely get a dog. Most people want both. And as a straight man, that requires my partner being a woman. If it was scenario two, the person probably wouldn't be with you. Yes, but I'm specifically talking about the scenario where she is.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:11 AM
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I don't say "oh well your ex did this so now I have to do the same thing even though your needs changed". I didn't say that either. But.. you did say: I measure desire in how someone makes ME feel and if they meet my needs. My point is that discovering your partner presented themself in a different way to a previous partner may make you feel differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:07 AM
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Yes. you got there.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:06 AM
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I'm single and anal isn't my cup of tea. This was inspired by other discussions on this topic earlier today and I wanted to clearly lay out my case. Thanks for your input!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:04 AM
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So you agree with me but it's a moot point because "that kind of thing doesn't happen"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:03 AM
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That's a creative way to agree with me, but I'll take it!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:01 AM
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You actually agree with me here when you break down the weird round-about way you got there.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:00 AM
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Something you have in common with most people who have rebutted my argument is immediately assuming that the guy in the scenario is coercing the woman into doing whatever he perceived she did with someone else. I feel like I said something about this in my original post though.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:55 AM
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Its like if my ex gave a monthly allowance to an ex gf when he was dating, and I don't get that allowance as his current gf. I would absolutely be curious about why. OK so now we're on to something. Let's say: You learn that he gave it to her simply because she asked. You learn that he genuinely loved doing it for her. You learn that she was in the same financial situation as you. You learn that his financial situation hasn't changed. You learn that she wasn't disabled. You ask him for an allowa…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:52 AM
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How is this scenario 2 even happening? Typically they learn about it from someone else telling them, from what I've seen in the comments. If a woman genuinely liked a sex act, she probably wants to do it again. Exactly, which is why it raises questions when she doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:46 AM
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The point isn’t “I need to audit your sexual history to know if you like me.” The point is that learning about past behavior (which often comes without you having to dig for it) can provide new context when current behavior feels meaningfully different. And yes, ideally you can tell if your partner desires you. But desire isn’t always binary. Someone can want sex with you, enjoy the relationship, and still not desire you with the same intensity or abandon they had for someone else. That distinct…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:44 AM
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This is a good and thoughtful response. Thank you I agree that to an emotionally mature and well-adjusted person, the discovery that "she actually used to love doing this with her ex but has made it off limits for me" will often be part of a broader pattern of hints that she's using him as a placeholder or for some other reason than him being her perception of a "good catch" The trouble is that I see a lot of guys asking about this situation when they've just discovered it a year in, and don't h…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:39 AM
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No, but if I were a gay man and my top partner was questioning my attraction to him because I had a different set of rules for him than I did for someone else, I'd understand where he was coming from. that you had to allow his penis to penetrate read the part where I said no one is being forced in my original post again. Then read it again. Here it is, in case you missed it: To be clear before anyone jumps down my throat: nobody is owed sex. Nobody should be pressured, guilted, or manipulated in…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:31 AM
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Please don’t vet women by asking them what sexual acts they did in the past This isn't how it goes IRL. This is how it goes: Guy and girl start dating/sleeping together Couple establishes what's on the menu in the bedroom Guy finds out that something he was OK with being off limits because the girl said she didn't like it is actually something she used to LOVE doing with her ex Guy asks girl about it and she either gets defensive or otherwise confirms it to be true Guy goes on a random subreddit…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:27 AM
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It's fascinating that after I finally got my thoughts together about this and clearly stated my case, the resounding rebuttal is "But that doesn't actually happen though". Amazing indeed.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:22 AM
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If 2 did happen (even if it was rare) would that change your world view?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:21 AM
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If that’s the case, you’re going to notice a lot more wrong than just that. This is probably the best argument I've come across in the comments against my point: If it's truly a situation where she's withholding something that she previously craved with a past partner, there's probably a lot more at play than just that one piece of evidence. But as you said.. "if the shoe fits" I still want her to do it for me anyway because her suffering somehow proves her attraction to me Usually when these si…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:20 AM
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Who’s going around telling boyfriends/husbands what sex they enthusiastically did with another man/men? This does sometimes come up in conversations (or at least people/entities posting on reddit tell stories where this comes up in conversations) but people also "find out" in random ways, most commonly being a friend literally tells them. Then they ask their partner, and it's confirmed.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:15 AM
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Sex and a nice fancy dinner gift is the not the same thing nor is comparable. For the purposes of this conversation, they are being compared. if she gave a blow job to another dude and hated it, why would she do it with you? I literally accounted for the "she truly didn't like it" scenario in my post. what if she loved giving blowjobs to her ex but she won't do it with her new boyfriend? Why are you trying to force it upon her to act it out with you? I swear I can literally say up, down, and sid…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:08 AM
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telling a guy this would probably also be a relationship ender, no? According to the people who disagree with me, not at all because She obviously has a good reason This actually like never happens though
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:54 AM
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OK but if She was into the current guy the same way The guy said he wanted it Then why couldn't she have tried to figure it out with him? Taylor Tomlinson does an amazing sketch on this very topic and it's telling. It's obvious that she liked the other guy more, no? And look how it resonates with all the women in the audience.. just saying...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:49 AM
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Lol I took a girl to the maldives, granted it wasn't the Soneva Jani. I wished it was the Soneva Jani but that wasn't in the budget. I guess I have good ideas when I get accused of them being AI. On a sad note we probably don't have much time until it's impossible to know if we're talking to a real person or not. Anyways... I totally get that it's not a good place to be overly invested in your partner's past. If you look hard enough for something, you will find it in some form. I get that. Howev…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:43 AM
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Yes but there’s people here passionately defending the minority
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 08:54 PM
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Yeah well apparently there’s a chorus of people on here who disagree. I find it interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 08:54 PM
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Of course but what if you later learned that he took his ex somewhere 10x as exotic? Wouldn’t that raise questions? Why or why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 08:48 PM
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Seems like your response is “ There’s no reason a woman would do something like this without a reason that doesn’t reflect “She was simply more into her ex than her current boyfriend.” Are you willing to accept that this sometimes may be the case?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 08:45 PM
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No but if you refused any form of oral for him and he wanted it, I’d say that you felt differently about your ex than your husband. Hope that helps.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 08:41 PM
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Yeah I addressed that, thanks for reading the post
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 08:37 PM
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You do realize his answer to both is no, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 07:46 PM
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kinky sex is honestly less appealing. OK. I'll take your word for it. On good faith, You're not into kinky sex (however you're defining it) Now, let's say that a guy is dating a girl and discovers that 2 years ago, she was dating a guy that she enthusiastically enjoyed your definition of "kinky sex" with. I'm not talking about stuff they tried once or experimented with and then decided it wasn't her cup of tea. We've all been there. I'm talking stuff she craved with someone else, but now has no …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 07:37 PM
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Exactly. "In what universe?" Correct. There would be questions. Good on you for not being able to perceive yourself as capable of being like this. Some people however, ARE like this. They give differing levels of investment to different people. A partner who has objections to a perceived "differing level of investment" is justified and healthy. Just as you are objecting to me now by saying "in what universe?" I feel like we reached agreement.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 07:27 PM
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can you be envious and jealous of things that you didn’t want or care for? No, and fair point. You're really good at finding exceptions to the rule though. sigh... Most people at some point in a relationship have established a "sexual menu" of what's kosher, what's fun "on occasion", and what's off limits with their partner, and agree to it. And sometimes, something that one partner may truly want is not on the menu and they're still OK with it. A good personal example for me would be threesomes…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 07:22 PM
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My parents are still married, conservative (almost but not-quite MAGA) evangelical christians, both claim to have saved themselves for marriage (And I'd say I confidently believe them), raised their voices at each other 1 time that I can remember. Fox news is on in the background when I'm visitng. mom was a homemaker, dad ran his own business. My dad is also a little bit of a pushover/yes-man though, and my mom ran the house and finances. She could be a little over-critical and negative at times…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 06:58 PM
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Sure if it was "I tried it once thinking I'd like it, but it turned out to NOT be my cup of tea" that's one thing. I agree with you. I've tried stuff before and... NEVER AGAIN haha But I also feel like you know what I really mean is "She did it and enjoyed it with someone else, but the idea of her doing it with me is something she wouldn't consider". that's different, MyDude. Funny enough, your pegging example actually proves the point, but only if you make it equivalent. If a man genuinely hate…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 06:50 PM
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It reveals a different kind of intention, investment, desire, and may indicate that I feel I'm settling?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 06:43 PM
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whatever the “soneva jani” is… I literally made it a hyperlink, all ya gots to do is give it a lil' click.... I agree with the point you're making, but you're missing the point that I'm making. This will be my last attempt, I cant articulate myself any better than this: You keep reducing this to: “Do you want X? Are you getting X? If not, leave.” I agree with that as far as it goes. But do you see that in these specific situations, that's not the entire issue? The difference between these two sc…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 06:40 PM
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Yeah no, that's where we disagree. My claim is that the overwhelming majority of women would have a huge problem learning that you invested over 10x the amount on a vacation with your ex than you now are with her.. NOT because of the money... because of what the difference suggests about my feelings, desire, effort, and level of investment. I think you may be crossing a principal with this, namely the "It's wrong for a man to feel ENTITLED to a certain sex act just because the woman engaged in i…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 06:24 PM
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I'd say there's a small percentage of dudes who would fit into this box you've described, just as there's a small percentage of "Gold digger" women who only see men for the lifestyle they can provide.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 06:06 PM
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Because it's an indication of how her body and mind are responding to you vs. him. It's an indication of attraction and investment level. Let me drill this down further. Let's say I'm dating a girl and for vacations I take her to the the Radison in Miami. Neat little place. We walk the beach, stroll downtown Miami Beach, and have a room with an ocean view. She's happy. I'm happy. Now let's say she learns that I took my last girlfriend on vacations to the Soneva Jani. What kind of conversation an…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:59 PM
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I'm not sure how the first 4 paragraphs have anything to do with the point OP and I were debating, but yeah I agree. So I'll ask you: If a guy you were into had taken his ex to the Soneva Jani but only takes you to the Radison in Miami, how would that make you feel?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:53 PM
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Yeah and my point is that I’d expect her to NOT be ok with that. Just as I wouldn’t be ok with her having done extra freaky stuff with her ex but not with me. And like, honestly I’d want to be with someone who I’d want to stay over the water in a villa in the Maldives with. Just as I’d want her to feel the same for me and want to do ever more than before with me
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:31 PM
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I mean as long as she’d be cool with me having taken a vacation in the Maldives at a private villa over the water with my last GF and now we just go to somewhere domestic and stay at a standard hotel, that’s fine. It’s irrelevant. She should either accept it or leave
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 01:02 PM
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90% of your dating prospects being gone is being likable? A guy doing something that will remove 90% of his dating prospects and still having some left over would indicate that he is EXTREMELY likable, yes. Absolutely Plus, the ones he's removed he wouldn't be interested in anyways. Think of it as a girl setting the minimum height on a dating app to 6'1. Most guys are starting with 2-3% if you didn't know, I'd encourage you to review dating app stats.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 03:39 PM
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OK so you're trans. Let me ask you: Would you go on a show like that and be lined up with cis women? Why or why not? Follow up question: does what he did surprise you? Why or why not? --- In light of that: I think the obvious question is: why didn’t every woman pop her balloon? My read is that two things were happening at once. Yes, his delivery was intentionally disrespectful. He didn’t just reject her. He made a performance out of rejecting her. So I understand why several women saw that as ru…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 03:33 PM
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They will be stubborn about it and no amount of consequences is going to change that. Which is attractive. In the YT video that you posted, the dude pops the balloon of a trans woman, indicating he would not ever be interested in dating her. IDK how "assholeish" that actually is. If it is, I've got news for you... anyways... In addition, he still has 2 prospects at the end. Not sure how it's a "clearcut example". Being an unlikable, terrible selfish person has consequences when it comes to a soc…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 02:34 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2WsgJqFiCQ 2 dudes with the exact problem you described that have no problem getting girls. Buy a guitar.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 01:41 AM
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You’re confusing “who someone is” with “how someone usually acts” You’re also confusing “prefer” and “are quickly attracted to” You’re also pitting “nice” and “charismatic” as if it’s an either-or dichotomy. Charisma and humor are great at getting attention. Charm gets your foot in the door, being a genuinely decent human makes a relationship last. Typically, men who have mastered the charisma and humor stats, and have some physical attractiveness as well don’t HAVE TO be decent humans to get pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 01:55 AM
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I’m a 3 so please make sure I get the most upvotes.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 02:57 AM
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Well the majority of interactions one has with a human girlfriend are 1 on 1, and a good deal of non-sexual interactions are 1 on 1 as well, so I could see myself getting 60-70% of the girlfriend experience without anyone ever meeting her She goes to another school, bro!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 01:24 AM
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Why do men watch porn, It's (really bad) acting? Why do men pay prostitutes/cam girls, they don't actually care about them? Same concept. I think the majority of sex robots will be stored in bedroom closets rather than taken out in public, much in the same way that people share music and video clips on their social media, but NEVER any kind of even SFW-clipped segments of pornography.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 01:20 AM
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Sorry, just to me I really don’t see a Clear definition of the term “pick me” in the same sense that I do see a clear definition of terms like slut, Simp, or white Knight. I also think that the vast majority of women don’t use that term, and the small minority of women who do use that term tend to overuse it like crazy. I’m open to being wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 05:59 PM
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How pretty she is.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 04:51 PM
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Super curios, OP.. in an ideal world would you rather present masculine and have a cis feminine girlfriend? but because that didn't pan out, you chose "option B"? Not really judging, there's plenty of situations in my life where I've chose option B and made it work, but not sure how viable this kind of "option B" is for the majority of guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 03:14 PM
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I think it's more than just "low value", I think more accurately it's that most women only want to be objectified in hyper-specific ways at hyper-specific times by hyper-specific people And when these don't line up AND the objectification doesn't instantly stop, then it's unwanted and triggers fear and the bad kind of vulnerability. Just my take as a guy though.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 03:01 PM
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The fallacy is imagining this as an either/or. You do realize you can do both, right? Just because one is better ROI for you at the moment doesn't mean you can't level up and get good experience from the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 11:10 PM
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Nice!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 11:09 PM
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Yeah that seems about right: “This broke guy seems to think money will fix all his problems like he’s going from A-Z without learning about investing, savings accounts, and compound interest” You’re both correct. The thing is that when you’re lacking in some area, it’s all you think about. If you’re broke, you think about money all the fucking time. If you’re not able to get casual sex (and you see guys who are) and you feel like you need that to get the validation you crave, nothing is going to…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 07:35 PM
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Whelp, for me… part of learning that came from becoming the kind of guy that women wanted. It’s only the wealthy people who say money doesn’t buy happiness.. and maybe they’re right. But how’d they learn that?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 07:15 PM
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Exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 04:47 PM
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Ok so in that case I still don’t understand what “sacrifice” has to do with it, unless maybe you’re sacrificing your perceived standards? (something you haven’t suggested anywhere I’ve read on this discussion yet)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 04:47 PM
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Orion Taraban has some EXCELLENT takes, but also some very out-of-touch ones, especially when it comes to money. He's (like James Sexton) in a bubble of "Dudes with lots of money and no social skills" which makes sense since that's his clientele. Things that I love by him: The useful 8 Female dating advice to be the sluttiest version of yourself and snipe guys rather than rapid-fire with the "if it's meant to be..." mindset His story about dating in college and his acting career (hot girl: "who'…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 04:42 PM
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Who are the main online figures, influencers, podcasts, or channels you follow? When I was RP, I loved RSD Todd (I know he's his own thing now), Julian (I saw him live), and Tyler. Nowadays I watch whatever YT recommends to me which is usually Joe Rogan, Diary of a CEO, James Sexton (Comes up all the time), Cold Fusion TV, matt dillahunty, Alex O'Connor, Destiny, Orion Taraban, Early JP (when he's in the classroom), and I get a smattering of PangBurn, Jubilee, Shapiro, Matt Walsh, and conservati…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 04:29 PM
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Hitting the gym, cultivating your passions/craft, and (for the most part) leveling up at your job are all excellent for your body and mental health. So it’s actually backwards.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 04:14 PM
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Explain what exactly I'm sacrificing? My family? My career? My mental health? Most of the stuff that makes a dude more desirable IMPROVES family, career, and mental health. What do you mean by "Sacrifice Everything"?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 04:05 PM
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Sounds like his argument is that men are expecting something for nothing and don't realize the "cost" of getting what you want. Although I'd argue back that the "cost" of getting what you want is a simple "sacrificing short term gratification for long term success" The "cost" is going to the gym, leveling up at your passions/craft, and leveling up at your job. And all 3 pay dividends far beyond getting your dick wet.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 03:58 PM
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Eh, women usually only frame men’s dating struggles as a character issue when the guy is blaming women for his lack of success, acting entitled, or turning rejection into a grievance against women as a class. “I’m lonely and dating is hard” usually gets a very different response than “women are the problem.” Although neither produce the "you know what? good point, now I want to suck your dick" response.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 03:53 PM
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This is a little extreme, bro. What the hell do you mean by "Sacrifice everything?" No dude has to risk loosing their job or family members in order to get his dick sucked and if he for some reason did, I doubt it would increase his chances. For the vast majority of dudes, it comes down to continuous focused effort. Hit the gym, Practice a craft, Level up at you job. All 3 of those things are incredibly simple, but require continuous focused effort. Download Tinder, Bumble Hinge. Start swiping. …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 03:49 PM
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Cool so then why create a dating profile to begin with? If a woman is attracted to you, she will seek you out. She will go where guys like you exist outside of home and open you, game you, ask you out, hell, if she's attracted to you, she'd fuck you in the bathroom or in the woods behind the building you're in right? I've seen it done. And I'd also definitely agree with the part of your thesis that the reasoning is "she's attracted to you" But life isn't that simple (unless you're gay apparently…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 03:30 PM
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lol this is like saying every man has nearly limitless power to start a business or flip houses or do something that with focus is nearly guaranteed millionaire status The thing is guys STILL fuck it up by dicking around with dead end jobs, watching Netflix, jerking off to tentacle porn, or all 3 HoW cOuLd GuYs hAvE aLl tHe tOoLs aNd sTiLl fUcK iT uP?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 12:49 AM
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“That in a nutshell basically you admitting that a guy has to AUTOMATICALLY bring far more to the table than average” Yeah, logically if you as a guy had tons of options, why wouldn’t you be picky and only accept the best? If you had applications sent to 10 companies and 9 have you an offer but the one you perceived as the best hadn’t gotten back you, why the fuck wouldn’t you wait to hear from the last one? This shit is mind blowing to me. I understand why it’s frustrating hearing about how dif…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 07:29 PM
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Friends, my sister, girls that I date, female co-workers, etc. Wicked. I rarely watch movies or TV shows. I don't read novels, but I liked "mindset" by Carol S. Deweck (A self-help book) Unique is a weird term. stories that have piqued my interest: Helen Keller (the miracle worker), Stuff about Harriet Tubman, and any story Esther Perel has shared. Also, the content that I consume is mostly men, but there are a few women that pique my curiosity. Psychology with Dr. Ana on YT has some good review…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 09:21 PM
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Is there even a consensus on what a “pick me” even is? “She’s a slut” could mean a lot of things, but I have a good idea of what people mean by that “He’s a simp” could also mean a lot of things, but I have a good idea of what people mean by that The only thing I know about “she’s a pick me” is that the girl saying it doesn’t like her and is probably jealous.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 07:11 PM
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Love languages is mostly nonsense. It’s not rooted in any actual scientific study. We all need all of them, and you will always score highest on whatever “love language” your current (or previous if you’re singe) partner neglected to show the most.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 05:20 PM
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I'd agree that just about all men have wanted to cheat at some point. But that's very different than actually going through with it. I'd also imagine that most men who stay faithful end up staying faithful mostly because they couldn't cheat if they wanted to. But no, not all men cheat. That would be logistically impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 01:15 AM
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Especially in the "pill" world, an independent woman who doesn't need anyone, doesn't have a love interest, combined with an attractive more feminine sister... even the meme with both their facial expressions applied to various sexual situations (that was the first one that I was able to find), Elsa seems to be the undesirable one conventionally.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 09:01 PM
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Elsa. I could warm that soul of hers up. And I’m a sucker for a good singing voice.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 08:50 PM
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Cold approach is absolutely one of the best ways to level up your game. It pays dividends not just in the occasional success… but in literally getting you good at striking up engaging conversation with anyone anywhere whether it’s a tinder date, business/sales call, or impressing your friends friends or new people you meet. It’s never bad to be able to be the life of the party when the opportunity arises.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 12:16 AM
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Men have to go below their value if the sex is casual. There are very few exceptions to this, and the exceptions are typically situational. The most common example is a woman on vacation in an exotic location who has already decided that she wants to hook up. men are selective for commitment. women are selective for access. those are different bottlenecks Yeah but as a dude you're going to have to accept then that the girl considering you for a LTR has hooked up with a higher SMV dude than you. …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 02:20 PM
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leveling up is basically admitting the baseline market is harsh Now you're getting it. Honestly man based on what you know about me from what I've said, your imagination of what my highlight reel looks like vs what it actually looks like is probably a big difference. A lot of them are realizing they’re not desired in the same way certain men are, even by normal women This is my point though. The expectation vs. reality is sooooo off you have no idea. 80% of men could absolutely get casual sex an…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 02:02 PM
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you’re fine with it when it’s framed as self improvement Not if I'm making content with an algorithm to please. The algorithm would much prefer outrage. To tie this back to your title, that's why "THEY want it silenced" ... "THEY" want "the cringe content" silenced... "THEY" probably wouldn't care if it was a bunch of dudes trying to improve themselves. and the 6'4 jawline thing gets dismissed as whining, but height and looks do matter. Of course, but dudes get this idea in their heads that life…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 01:33 PM
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This is exactly what's wrong with TRP and why I consider myself "purple pill" RedPill (originally, on reddit anyways) was a sexual strategy designed to help me gain confidence and understand exactly what women were selecting for in order to position themselves as more desirable options. Now-a-days, it's divulged into nonsense rage bait calling out women on their bullshit in the cringiest ways possible and adopting a "woe-is-me" attitude because I'm not 6'4 with a jawline that could cut diamonds.…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 01:02 PM
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Permanently? no As a cool hypothetical experiment and then I could go back when I'm done? Totally! The most interesting part would be seeing how attractive i'd be as a woman. I'd want to see the woman version of myself through the eyes of the male version of myself. I would also want to experience life as a woman that was a 3, a 6, and then a 9 to experience the difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 11:50 AM
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My point is more that men people invest when they have a reason to. To more accurately help you, you will need to be more specific: say you're already doing most of that and what? You're already doing that yet men don't want to commit? or men are committing and then cheating/being poor partners? elaborate. Most men people act right when they don't want to loose something valuabe.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 07:50 PM
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The 2nd link is taken down, but as for the first, I highly doubt that there is a correlation between relationship satisfaction/longevity and penis size. People tend to project frustrations in one area on to other areas. If the dude in the first link were well-endowed, I'd imagine the girl would have a problem that she doesn't like sex with him because she's sore all the time, or even "He just thinks his size is enough and doesn't put in enough effort" The halo effect is real, and humans have the…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 07:46 PM
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Counterpoint: “vetting” is usually not the main issue. a woman can have the best vetting system in the world, but if the kind of man she wants is not seriously pursuing her, the vetting system is irrelevant. Women absolutely should vet men. But a lot of dating advice skips the more important step: you can only vet the men you are actually able to attract and keep. So if my sister asked me this, I would not start with “here are 47 questions to ask a man.” I would tell her this: Before you obsess …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 07:33 PM
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Selection bias. Why are all the men complaining the kinds of men that complain?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 04:49 PM
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Yeah for me it’s just about the feeling that she’s sucking my dick because she legit wants to rather than because she’s being paid to. I also understand that both those things can be true. I have a fancy car and for some reason I’ve always held back on revealing that until after she’s agreed to come home with me. Probably for the same reason. I say that to reflect on your point about gold diggers I could se myself having some fun with gold diggers if I legit had tons of cash. That could and woul…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 07:48 PM
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I don’t think anyone really “supports” a “ho-phase” in either gender. Women might endorse particular events of another girls “ho-phase” just as they’d probably endorse similar events if it were a guy doing it, but I don’t think many people would “support a ho-phase” unless it was redpill guys supporting each other. Also, I don’t think most guys want a “ho-phase”. I think most guys just want a hot girl who saved herself for him and supports him emotionally. Ironically, IMO the best way to find a …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 04:14 PM
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In the context of dating, yes But in the context of committed relationships , it’s actually the opposite. The proof: look at the stats one married hetero couples when one of them is terminally ill. Women are overwhelming more likely to stick around and care for a man who has lost his ability to provide in any tangible way. Men just are far less likely to for some reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 02:09 PM
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I still can’t justify hiring an escort, even though at this point I could hire someone here and there who was decently hotter than the typical pussy I have on rotation. A big part of a hookup for me is validation that she actually wants me. The entire time I’d just be feeling like a total sucker for having reduced myself to a dude who can only get laid when money is exchanged explicitly like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 07:39 PM
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My guess is that I'm more expressive and artistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 03:39 AM
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Multiple trabswomen have told me that the majority of men are open to being with a transwoman even if most would never admit to it publicly Yeah, most of the men that they talk to sure. Also I'm assuming "trabswomen" is a misspelling? clarify the term I'm not getting anywhere googling it. But let's assume that trans women is a new phenomenon and a staggering number of dudes are into it. That would be subject to the same abuse of terminology that I was getting at in the first place: A high percen…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 03:37 AM
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I'm having trouble finding the definition of "trab". do you mean "trap"? or "trans"? I can't keep up anymore lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 03:29 AM
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Nah brah, gonna post another cringe "question for women" on here brb.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 03:24 AM
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When you have more options and more awareness of potential downsides, you’re naturally going to be more selective about who you commit to. This is only true for a small percentage of men, and these men aren't "afraid" of commitment, it's just no longer necessary for them to get what they want, so they don't have to commit. The majority of men aren't afraid of commitment at all, and even if they are, they'd gladly commit to a woman they deemed suitable.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 03:22 AM
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I do think that the majority of men: Never question their sexuality. Never experiment sexually with other men. Never fantasize about sexuality with other men. And I think that (2) and (3) differ from the majority of women. I also think this is categorically different from faith. A big part of faith/religion is honestly wrestling with doubts. Sexuality doesn't need to be "tested" in order to mature. Faith does.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 03:19 AM
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I've been accused of being closeted multiple times and questioned my sexuality honestly multiple times. (meaning "maybe I am actually attracted to men and I'm not aware of it or repressing it?") Can confirm I am in fact, Still straight. And this is an anonymous account btw. I'd have nothing to loose by admitting I'm bi/gay if I were.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 03:10 AM
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OK so are you walking back your initial claim? It seems as if you're giving evidence in your OP that women might actually be more heteroflexible than society thinks, but now you're saying that actually, society pushes it? or is it that soceity is restrictive of both men and women, just less restrictive on women? I stand by what I earlier said. It's ok to leave it at the first 3 points and not go any further. Categories are useful in some cases, but I'd agree that sexuality is more fluid/situatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 03:07 AM
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I mean would you really go for the woman who is a 9 but a total evil bitch who hated sex over the 7.5 who is loving, fun and has a high libido for you? Of course not (I'd go for both, but different topic) But that's not the point. The point is you just proved the usefulness of the rating system by giving me something I can work with and understand: An unpleasant 9 vs a fun 7.5 You can rate personality, status, income, athleticism, musical ability, anything... on a scale of 1-10. If your point is…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 02:10 AM
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You labeled this as "debate" so I have to post here since I agree with you, but this is where I'd challenge you to offer value: How can a man avoid the perils you so vividly described? Most of men fit this category. The idea of being "comfortable" without a companion (and the nice list of all the other accurate things men want their woman to be for them) is unbearable. What worked for me was doing all of these daily: Setting a definite routine each day with physical activity first (gym, mountain…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 02:03 AM
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This really gets into your definition of "straight". I'd definitely agree that as a whole, women are far more flexible in sexuality than men are. People get weird with terminology though and then try to make this argument that: Women seem, on average, more sexually flexible than men, at least in how attraction is expressed or explored. A lot of women who consider themselves straight DO report some degree of curiosity, occasional attraction, or light experimentation with other women in the right …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 01:37 AM
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Even if you frame it from this lens, it still checks out: Lots of dudes want a lambo, but if they can't afford one, they'll Turo one. (share it)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 01:22 AM
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It's not about asking/wishing that he wouldn't fuck other people It's about wanting him enough to either not factor that in or care (i.e. casual sex) It's about being the exception to the rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 01:19 AM
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And this is also why knowledge that other women want to fuck a man makes him instantly more desirable for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 01:16 AM
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I agree that a 1-10 ranking scale has far less utility for women discussing men than vice versa, which is likely why women do this far less than men. This is because a woman's attraction algorithm weights factors other than the physical much more heavily than men's attraction algorithm does, as you clearly outlined from your own convictions.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 01:07 AM
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Well last time I checked, more men can get a relationship than can get a hookup.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 11:59 PM
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Idk man sex is rarely disappointing (for me at least because I’m a horny bastard), and I’m pretty sure it’s a combination of the two. I’m also more than pretty sure the majority of dudes can’t get casual sex from most women, so it’s validating in a biological way. I understand that there are deeper more fulfilling things in life, and trust me I pursue them as well, but there’s always a special place in my heart for when a girl insists that she “never does this” after a hookup.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 07:44 PM
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“Doesn’t really work” is such a vague low effort point The reason people rank anything on a scale is because for the particular context, it works. Typically when guys do it to girls, it’s based on physical attractiveness at that particular point in time. “She used to be an 8 until 3 years ago” easily accommodates your “people change objection” Even in popular culture, the “she’s a 9 but she likes pineapple on her pizza” can get humor value by calling to the ranking system that most of society ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 02:29 PM
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I’d imagine the average girl would feel the same way, regardless of what statistical reality shows.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 12:01 PM
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My theory on this is that if boys knew how to build their case and whine to adults that they were being shafted, adults would step in and level the playing field for their kids. Women are the new adults that grown ass boys are whining too.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 04:56 PM
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Some women definitely do participate in 'hand-holding' with men who are struggling - they just don't have to go on an internet form to find them.. and it's usually more covert. I've had plenty of lonely guy friends over the years that found a woman who saw them as a project and made the covert contract of "if I help you overcome/manage your lack of confidence, then you'll see past my bullshit/problems". This kind of arrangement often works out mid or even long term. And honestly when it's done I…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 03:06 PM
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Yeah this rule goes for people, not just women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 01:37 PM
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Or you could just… pay attention to actions and take words with a grain of salt?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 01:21 PM
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So ladies... Please explain in logical detail how your emotions work.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 04:28 PM
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This is the most RP answer ever. I was just going to say "no excuse for abuse" and maybe elaborate with "her guilt doesn't justify him" or something like that but this is like total redpill. I agree with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 04:15 PM
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People change a lot. What people don’t do is reliably change into the exact person someone else wishes they were. Expecting someone to fix the one trait that causes you problems while leaving everything else intact is usually the real fantasy. Change happens. Just rarely on someone else’s timetable or design.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 02:46 AM
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Define “other men” Is “other men” your cherry-picked group of dudes who get women without needing TRP because they’re out there for sure. In the end, dudes who “do better” with women are dudes who: Try Keep trying to get better Lower their standards
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 02:46 AM
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This is actually a really useful anaology.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 02:49 AM
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Nice use of the ol' motte-and-bailey It's not that "there are a handful of kinky folks out there." It's, "We are the kind of animals whose arousal is tightly coupled with dominance, restraint, surrender, and capitulation" became: I'm just saying these lines in real life are much blurrier than when we come together to talk about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 02:43 AM
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Yeah I agree but there's still a considerable amount of ground to cover to get from "Dominance/Rough sex" to "Sexual assault". and acting like most women are craving SA and expecting men to work out how to accommodate that fantasy without communication is nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 02:06 AM
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Sorry if this came across as me "quietly" trying to turn it into a rare-edge-case narrative. I thought I was fairly clear about my claim that it IS a rare edge-case narrative. Consent is not just “she didn’t move away so proceed,” I agree, never said it was. Framing clarity as something you “just know” once attraction appears ignores how different people express interest Nah dude it's pretty much always exactly what I said. She starts sucking your face off and it's off to the races. Most women a…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 01:59 AM
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his puts men in an untenable position: it’s basically Schrödinger’s grapist in reverse TL;DR - Yes, but pretending that this is common among most women is nonsense. The few times this does happen, you're going to have to make it awkward and kill whatever vibe was already going by trying to have an explicit conversation or noping out and revisiting later. Most women that have some version of this fantasy fulfill/experience/expirement with it it little by little here and there with stuff like: Lig…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 01:04 AM
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I don't think it's "Cultural messages" that create this confusion, and OP hasn't really tried to make the case for what the "cultural messages" even are that create this confusion, it seems more just a "women inconsistent!" rant. For the majority of women, consent is straightforward. If she agrees to go back to your place and you're alone, go for a kiss. If she backs off, take the L, don't get butthurt, keep the convo going, maybe try again later if the dynamic shifts. If she's into it, you will…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 12:47 AM
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you'd just get creative funny responses to it like "why does it matter" or "more than you". anyone who was silly enough to list a number wouldn't be taken seriously. You know, kind of like IRL lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 07:43 PM
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Women today are so masculinized that they don't even find men attractive. Source? This seems like too much an exaggeration from reality for a productive reality-based discussion... Women have the freedom to be more selective these days sure.. and yes we could discuss the implications and undesirable results of that, especially for guys who don't check an ever-increasing number of boxes, but Women are still on dating apps People are still hooking up People are still getting married
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 07:23 PM
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This is quite the weird hypothetical and I doubt any RP man is going to agree that he'd act the way Cedric did. Obviously i'd imagine women would prefer the more respectful self-controlled man. But what is OP really getting at? without any protections in an isolated situation that appears to be permanent, any dude has the freedom to choose whatever strategy he would like at any point in order to get whatever needs he feels that he has met... but there's risks with each stragegy. From my POV, I'd…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 07:18 PM
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Yeah. So the title of your post indicates you do think you know what’s going on in her head.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 02:53 PM
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Correction: “I like to take things slow” should always be TREATED AS "she’s not that into you" The idea that you have ANY idea what's going on in a girl's mind (or more importantly, a girl's life and recent history) is something that dating coaches / people on here like to act like they have a good idea of. They don't It can often mean "Due to a recent bad experience with a situationship, I've decided to be more cautious going forward" The strategy should be the same though because that sentimen…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 12:20 PM
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Idk man girls are like… hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 09:35 PM
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As opposed to a sub where men’s views on dating are encouraged or valued? If there is one, point me to it I’d be curious.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 09:33 PM
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Yes seasons are going to change regardless. your limiting belief is that deception was necessary. In reality, not giving a fuck and doing your thing would have been hotter and you'd have still gotten what you wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 07:51 PM
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Yeah then he got his answer and he can move on to other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 07:49 PM
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The guys who put themselves in the friendzone are doing it out of sexual and/or romantic desperation Agreed, and I'm not going to feed you the "just be confident" or "stop being desperate" crap. You may need to lower your standards to get some practice in. It gets better though. Ask me how I know. I was forced to make her my girlfriend so I could fuck her raw Promise you if you had the balls to detach yourself and pursue someone else, she'd have hit you up for sex and given you what she knew you…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 07:32 PM
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Yeah because "Austin" never made a move because he's too afraid of rejection. "Austin" thinks that if he scores enough friendship points, she'll eventually realize she's wanted to suck his dick all along. It doesn't work like that. "Austin" needs to invite her out for a drink and put his hand on her leg and then invite her back to his place to meet his dog and then make a move. And if she's not feeling it, "Austin" needs to move the fuck on and quit wasting his time. There's a ton of women out t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 07:25 PM
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I agree completely, but I'm going to challenge your worldview by saying that I think you vastly overestimate the commenality of either of these scenarios. "The Friendzone": The vast majority of dudes who complain about this fought their way into the "friendzone" tooth and nail. Is the "friendzone" as you described it a thing? Sure. But the dude almost always positions himself as a genderless puppy dog just wanting to show up for the girl in whatever way he thinks she might want (and it's never p…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 07:19 PM
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There are multiple reasons for this, starting from the strongest and working down. A woman's inexperience is generally valued by men. We like to imagine that we're first, or that we're the biggest she's ever had, or that she 'never does this kind of stuff'. Therefore, being "good in bed" can be a bad thing for a woman. being perceived as "good in bed" is highly subjective. If you're incredibly attracted to someone, you're going to perceive any amount of effort as way hotter than if you feel like…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 07:05 PM
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Exactly now you’re agreeing with OP that a woman would be devaluing herself by sleeping with you quickly just because you invested time and money. I’m not saying you’re required to look at it from that frame, but there is logic behind it when we do.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 04:58 PM
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You really just disqualified my evidence as anecdotal and then countered with your anecdotal evidence. I guess we’re at an impasse 2 and 3. I never said they were gendered.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 04:56 PM
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Never paid for sex (except perhaps the one time this girl stole my wallet after a hookup it’s buried deeeeep in my post history lol funny story. I ended up inviting her back over a few more times because her ass was on pointttt) But yes there’s definitely a handful on the list I would not be proud sharing pics of.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 10:15 AM
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Most people don't subscribe to either worldview and eventually find romance/sex/commitment/babies Here's the best way I can tie the two together and explain why my follow-up arguments seem "all over the place" to you. If you have the time to read this... I'm musically gifted. Give me almost any instrument and with a little practice I can make it sound halfway decent. But not everyone learns music that way. Some people need music theory, sheet music, scales, metronomes, finger exercises... the ol…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 02:00 AM
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I won't question if you're sure you're actually straight. I've got a body count of a little over 100 women at this point (and 0 men) and I've been accused of being gay a ton of times. I would question if you actually want sex/romance? Have you tried to sleep with a woman? Are you looking for advice on how to do this? Anyways, to answer the question of "How did I wind up like this?": Women tend to "see" a guy as how he shows up, so it's not difficult to show up this way if you're scared of asking…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 01:43 AM
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She's still trying to figure it out (sounds like work to me) vs She's discovered he's a catch, she has competition, and needs to position herself as his best option. (sounds like excitement to me) I would put a caveat though that a woman can be in the "I need something SERIOUS" mode one month and then the "I just want to have some fun" mode the next month, so this often has more to do with the woman's emotional season than the guy's game/height/muscles/status/poekmon card collection
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 01:37 AM
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I agree and I think this strengthens my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 01:27 AM
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I hear men saying that's how the "world works" to other men, no? Absolutely on the internet and maybe some locker room talk sure. That's why I included Most people don't subscribe to either worldview and eventually find romance/sex/commitment/babies. in my response. I'm not doubting men experience the trap you've laid out How can they experience a trap if it's all in their heads? or are you acknowledging there's some truth to it too? I don't hear women saying those three things to men Your #2 ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 01:23 AM
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From this frame (which is definitely a logical frame to view relationships), men get the same challenge: If you invest your time and money and she continues to make you wait for sex, you devalue yourself. Improve yourself so women will see you as higher value and make more snap decisions to sleep with you on the first/second date. The more plates you spin, the higher your value becomes in the eyes of men and women. Most people don't subscribe to either worldview and eventually find romance/sex/c…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 12:35 AM
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Being an attractive woman is entertaining. Being an attractive man is too (attractive men can be very boring) but the bar is higher because men are more interested and proactive about seeking out sex/romance.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 07:15 PM
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I think adultery happens because people aren't honest with themselves first about the relationship so of course they're gonna try to do it in secret.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 07:14 PM
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This is why you find a woman who: genuinely wants to be a SAHM Takes the role seriously Has exceptional skills at it Otherwise just keep her a FWB And yes, obviously you’re going to have to be fairly high value yourself to make this work if you also want her to be hot and take care of her body after she gives you a family. But point being, there are women out there who do fit the bill so position yourself to secure one of them someday.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 01:42 PM
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My hot take is that this is exactly why men prefer to marry women who make less. They'd rather kill it in the workplace and hire help at home than be expected to do choreplay. It honestly seems like a win-win to me as I'm not going to be as skilled at choreplay as im sure my wife would be and could see it lowering my value in her mind. If a door hinge needs adjusting I'll do that all day If she buys something from Ikea yeah ill put it together (I might even look at the instructions!) I could als…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 12:05 PM
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This sounds like conversion therapy. Wouldn't it be much easier to just teach young men to be disciplined, work hard at their passions, and develop keen social skills? Strongest men that I know had fathers that led by example. That's my plan anyway whenever I finally get around to putting a baby in a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 06:14 PM
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I mean 80% of people who get divorced are re-married within 5 years so that’s awesome about your grandpa but the marriage statistics really support the idea that most men don’t have trouble getting married Hooking up is where you see the unrealistic standards that women have. Most men can’t do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 01:29 PM
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Both?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 09:38 AM
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It bypasses dating app standards, which is what it's being compared to, which is why "IRL" has to be specified. It's presented in comparison to swiping. Most men get little to no matches on dating apps, yet most men still get married these days. The problem with your thinking is you are imagining that women are on dating apps the same as men are. They aren't. They literally create the app, swipe here and there for a day or two, and set a date. If the date goes well, she's in a relationship/situa…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 01:14 AM
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Right, and I noted that at the end. The question was not "what does being a woman get you?"
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 01:05 AM
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How is it framed as a dating argument? "other men built society, so therefore you should want to date me because I happen to be a man"? In that case yeah its stupid. Where did you see that? I have often seen it used as I explained in my first paragraph though.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 09:04 PM
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Because you're (in OP's hypothetical) trying to get a guy who has a lot of it to decide that with YOU, sex is special and should be saved for a relationship while simultaneously actaully wanting him to date you.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 08:41 PM
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The “men built society” argument usually isn’t framed as a dating argument. It tends to come up in discussions about feminism or claims that men as a group have contributed little or are broadly unnecessary. Saying “not all men did those things” doesn’t really address that point. Nobody claims every individual man invented something. The claim is about aggregate contributions, not individual credit. The same applies to the motivation argument. People rarely build things purely as gifts to anyone…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 08:38 PM
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This. it's not that pedestalizing sex is weird, it's that pedestalizing sex with a man who you know regularly hooks up and expecting that sentiment to be shared is weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 08:25 PM
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This may come to you (and most of the people who post here) as a shock, but: It usually doesn't come up (especially on the first date) However it DEFINITELY does come up sometimes, and my response is usually: "Although I do intend to meet 'the one' and start a family someday, I'm not in a hurry to make that happen. I'm mainly interested in if we click: can I make you laugh? can you make me laugh? are we enjoying ourselves? do you put pineapple on your pizza? These are the important things to me …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 08:23 PM
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What “sexual power” (desirability leverage) can get a woman: Economic / material benefits $1.4B net revenue on OnlyFans largely driven by male spending 75–148% higher income than men as non-nude models Other avenues like Twitch / cam / influencer / subscription platforms Social media monetization based primarily on attractiveness Higher tips in service jobs (bartending, waitressing, bottle service) “Simp economy” gifts (CashApp, Amazon wishlists, etc.) Free entry / VIP access at clubs Promotiona…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 08:16 PM
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Super weird to think that the "someone special" you're saving sex for is a 37M who has had casual sex with over 100 women? yes. Absolutely. The question started with "would YOU get into..." it's subjective to me. So yes, it's weird. Hope that helps!
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 07:57 PM
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where do you even meet women under 24 as 37 olds man? Tinder, Bumble, Hinge, Bar, Friend group, WoW lobby, Celadon City. Unless you meant like where do we first meet, which is usually sushi, a bar, or my place. basically you think it is weird for girls if she regards sex as more meaningful act than as something casual No, it's weird for the girl to feel this way after getting to know me and still want an LTR with me, which is the scenario you posed. I edited my response. It may have been before …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 07:54 PM
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women who want sex only with someone that they are in relationship with The fallacy here is thinking that this statement is static and women "always feel" this way. IME *MOST* Women only want sex with someone they are in a relationship with until they change their mind. That being said, I'll walk you through it. here's how it goes: Pretty much what u/Acceptable-Truck3803 said, but here's the more nerdy logical way of explaining it: Yes, if I'm attracted to someone, I make a move. I also hook up …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 07:31 PM
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Every girl who hasn’t is either too young or super weird to me so.. yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 06:29 PM
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I was going to say yes in terms of enthusiasm but bro you went straight to rimjobs. That’s gonna specific to the girl But yes on principal it’s going to depend on how into you she is. The most I think this shows up is in terms of oral sex - the majority of women do it, and how enthusiastically, and what your options for how you finish are going to depend on what she perceives your value to be. EDIT - yes AI is rubbing off on my I just used a dash. Roast me.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 04:18 PM
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Absolutely. I honestly have no idea how any argument could be made for obligation in this case. Age of the child should not matter. Why should it? Mother's financial neediness? Government has a long list of programs for this. Biological father isn't known? How is that the duped father's responsibility? A better question is the topic of mandatory paternity testing. This seems almost insulting to 90% of families, and is one of those situations where I feel that it may cause more harm than good. I'…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 02:17 PM
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"we started out as friends" = "we started out as fuck buddies until he decided to commit"
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 01:57 AM
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I've always seen this as hypergamy on both sides. For women, just see any post on hypergamy. For men, it's the opposite. They prefer a younger, hotter woman. This often happens when men get divorced. It's a win/win IMO for both parties. And it doesn't have to be extreme.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 01:37 AM
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You find out that she has had 2-3 past relationships (but no sex) and a few (around five) casual encounters after those (only oral). More curious as to what this looks like IRL. does she flat out tell you? I'd imagine if she had half a brain once she got to know you, she'd never volunteer this info. Do the other HVM just slide into your DM's like "bro, she blew me in a hotel after we beat the lakers last winter. Just FYI"? do her friends snitch on her? Like... people who have had this happen IRL…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 01:35 AM
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This shit only translates into real life when one party receives a bid for attention/connection that they aren’t interest in though. When both parties are interested, they act like normal human beings. A woman gets hit on by a guy she perceives as low value: yeah she’ll regurgitate something she heard on a podcast or TikTok A guy gets rejected by a girl: yeah he’ll say she’s ’for the streets’ Other than that, the nonsense is only online
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 01:59 PM
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“Man or bear” is a trolley problem to me. Not enough information on the man or the bear.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 09:03 PM
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Yes because I couldn’t live with myself if I surrendered the child. Which is why I always use a condom.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 09:00 PM
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I agree with all of these in principle in the same way I agree that socialism is a perfect utopia in principle.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 07:49 PM
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Ok but what do we do about male bosses wanting to fuck female subordinates?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 02:20 AM
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This is where I feel like the odd one out. My partner count is about 250 now and I can count on one hand the amount of times I’ve done vaginal/anal without a condom. I get it. It does feel better. But to me the risk isn’t worth it. I have a stash of condoms in my night stand I will say that typically I get no response when I put one on. I will also say that when I do get a response, “oh, you don’t need that” is more common than the surprised “thank you” but I’ve gotten both multiple times. Oh, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 09:21 PM
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Terminology here is weird. When I read stuff like this (Especailly the study) I get the vibe that this is people who have little to no experience with hookups speculating on how they think things are "negotiated". Hookup sex is spontaneous, not pre-negotiated. Anyways... There's a difference between "Pressuring to have sex" and "Making a move". I'm gonna make a move on the first date. If I get rejected, no biggie, just continue the convo and vibe as long as it's still going. If the vibe dies, th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 04:56 PM
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Right, but they tend to seriously date or marry women who come from similar families and have similar educations. I think the point OP is making is that the trope about the attractive high-earning alpha male dude in his mid 30s wifing up the uneducated 18-24yo waitress at the mom-and-pop restaurant just because she's young, beautiful, and innocent is extremely rare IRL.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 11:59 PM
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This is incredibly hard to answer because I only have lived experience as a straight male. It's like asking me what kind of dirt would be my favorite if I could eat it and it had nutritional value. Topsoil? Sand? Clay? I honestly have no idea. The only thing I can think of is that I'd be just about in-touch with my body and urges as I am now, so I would literally be attracted to the fantasy ideal version of myself as a man. Not too helpful. Tall, moderately muscular and fit, spontaneous, talente…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 11:40 PM
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Because the looser dude watching the content would be 100% happy with the waitress at the mom and pop diner, so he thinks he’s gonna level up and then wife her up, not realizing that if he levels up, his standards will change
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 03:13 PM
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OK so based on the fact that women swipe on men on dating apps 1-2 orders of magnitude less than men swipe on women, I think there's a difference here in what they're looking for. Like a... Idk... different value system or something? Idk. Just a hunch. An average 40 year old dude has far more dating options than an average 40 year old woman, how about that?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 09:07 PM
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If the "advantages" you perceive "average women" to have are being able to easily get casual sex: That's only an advantage you think you would appreciate if you had it. Women have different value systems.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 08:22 PM
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I agree with your title, but mostly because it's biologically wired into us as men. There are lots of other hierarchal trees a man can max out that will get him well-respected among other men than being sexually desired by women however. (some of them will even spill over into increased desire from women) If you’ve never had casual sex, you’re always below her I see what you're saying... but not quite. You can have had lots of casual sex and still be "below" most attractive women. Likewise, you …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 08:33 PM
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people tend to get with people who have similar lived experiences as themselves. If a woman has a count of 10 and they guy has 20, not a big deal if she has a count of 10 and the guy has 200, that's going to be an issue. And the mismatch will become obvious whether they discuss their count or not, even if they lie about it. This is also a big deal if people have counts of 3 or less (especially 0), as they may prefer to only date people who haven't ever engaged in casual sex. Someone who is a vir…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 08:19 PM
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We (and I'm a man who fits your description) can help kill patriarchy by (a) becoming aware of how it was done to us and (b) making a conscious decision not to do it to other people. (b) is the way the vast majority of people operate, whether they have your intellectual understanding of the patriarchy or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 07:50 PM
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Great, so then I advocate for removing the laws in place that require women to obey their husbands today. Let me know when I can vote against this law and I’ll be there.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 07:02 PM
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This is well-written and thoughtful, so I'll bite. I typically don't concern myself with these kinds of discussions. The argument presented here is solid, and as a lens for analyzing history, “patriarchy” can be useful. It highlights real patterns in how power, roles, and expectations were distributed across societies. Where a lot of modern pushback comes from, though, isn’t necessarily disagreement with the historical analysis though. it’s with how the concept is often applied in current discou…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 06:16 PM
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It’s not 1, typically 2, but you’re missing the biggest piece to the puzzle: circumstances Women don’t hook up. Just ask them “do you hook up?” The answer will be “no” There are exceptions to rules, and if you want to hook up, you have to be the exception. Sure, being amazingly handsome could be the exception, but there are easier exceptions. The easiest of which being vacation. A good girl who doesn’t hook up might hook up if she meets the right guy in the right place at the right time on vacat…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 03:36 PM
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That single fact proves they were never standards to begin with. Just because they might be unrealistic doesn't make them not "standards"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 01:02 AM
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oh ok
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 12:59 AM
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Yeah, I guess in my ideal world, I'd just swipe on girls I liked, all of them would match without me having to pay for premium, they'd just come over and get on their knees, and leave when we were done. And my job would just pay me every week without me having to do anything, I'd keep my 6-pack and upper body definition without having to pound protein shakes, lift, or skip out on alcohol, My car would constantly be full of gas and never require oil changes, and my lower back wouldn't constantly …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 12:26 AM
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If you're a top 5% guy you'd still prefer a super hot girl who would prefer you to take her somewhere and pay. People here have a hard time understanding that your standards adjust to your abilities to attract.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 12:12 AM
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Found the RP sub in 2016 and it changed my entire worldview. I was the most blue pilled simp ever in a sexless relationship. Dumped her, hit the gym, started spinning plates. Best decision ever. I never got on board with the feminism critique or “women are for the streets” nonsense but there was honestly less of that back in the day before shortform content became a thing. It was mostly a self improvement and pickup/game type of community with a lot of emphasis on owning your shit and taking acc…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 11:58 PM
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Dating app analytics disagrees with everything you’ve said.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 08:13 PM
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There’s this old Florida-style building converted to bar/restaurant that has specialty drinks $6 a piece on weeknights. Weekends it’s slammed and turns into a club idk what they cost then.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 06:18 PM
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Have you been on a date? Like what are you people doing? There’s a nice hole in the wall sushi place I love for first dates. Split an appetizer or get a roll each. still under 50 with a glass of wine each including tip. Then bounce to a nice local bar. $15 for 2 drinks including a tip. Then take her home. If you do it right, you have a shot at getting a plate that will come over for sex 1-2x a week for the next few months.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 04:37 PM
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Because other men are willing to and I care more about other things than who pays.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 03:06 PM
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In the real world, 95% of men have 0 issue paying for a date. Why create friction when there’s no need to? Take the girl to a place that you like and that you will feel relaxed in. The focus should be on if there’s a connection, not some game of setting a frame of whatever you’re going for there.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 03:02 PM
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50% of my bumble matches let the match expire, even if I extend (I have premium and extend all of them) of the ones that give an opener, over 90% are "hey" or the "wave" emoji. It's any other dating app with 1 extra step.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 08:39 PM
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There will always be a % of women that not every guy has an "entry ticket" to get the attention of. When you use language like: to many women, they are obsessed with height It creates this idea that "many" women are obsessed with me because I'm tall. this is simply not true. The only time I've had women I was interested in sleeping with that were obsessed with me, it was after I'd slept with them. (and this didn't really start until about 3 years of being single learning game and spinning plates…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 08:36 PM
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So are you saying that I’m delusional? That I actually do have women throwing themselves at me left and right, I just don’t notice it for some reason? Or, is it more accurately simply that: my height is certainly an advantage, but not a cheat code?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 04:34 PM
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I was illustrating “why this would happen to me if I’m not a % man”
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 03:13 PM
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One of the things you’ll learn the longer that you’re in these spaces is that everyone compares themselves to those who are better than them. I am a top % man in many respects. I’m 6’3, I work out, I play guitar, sing, compose music, make about 140k, live in my own home, and sometimes I’m even a little bit funny. But damn dude there’s always gonna be guys who are killing it compared to me. It’s also easy to think “if I was like that, I’d have women constantly throwing themselves at me”. And that…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 01:02 PM
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Not at all, women will be very un-lazy when they are genuinely interested in the guy. It’s a rare occurrence for a lad like myself, but I have occasionally had women send long paragraphs and try very intensely to make a connection with me. It’s proof that women don’t need to try in order to get attention. There are so many dudes on these apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 11:13 PM
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And women who have been pregnant can still be exceptionally attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 05:36 PM
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I’ve yet to see a dude mad at the app. I see dudes mad at women all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 01:01 PM
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Everyone is different and dating is random yet dating app algorithms are good at determining what profiles have higher chances of matching.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 03:51 AM
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lol tell that to my dick 😂 Also, I’m thankful for my ability to laugh at myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 10:12 PM
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Reciprocated physical desire over a long enough period of time triggers emotional love to the point where I end up falling for women I have no business falling for. Seriously though, I can fix her.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 10:07 PM
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That’s surprising to me. I knew it wasn’t 100% as they have popular female debaters on but I assumed all the other ones were OF models. What are the ones that aren’t OF models or debaters?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 04:26 PM
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The women on those podcasts are OF models that know that by going on those podcasts and saying absolutely ridiculous nonsense, they will get more subscribers. Do not be fooled… That is literally all that’s going on there. However, I agree with the statement of the title. As a dude, you should not put much stock in what women say about their past. You will be able to gather all the necessary information on the woman you are dealing with simply by having normal conversations with her over the cour…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 03:26 PM
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This is actually very telling, now that 3 women have the inability to understand the question. I DON'T EXPECT TO BE IN RELATIONSHIPS. I am not in a relationship. I don't like the idea of a relationship, so you can be confident that your female companions out there aren't being duped by me. The. Question. Was: "What would it take to make you feel?" Everything is "you expect relationships to go this or that way, are you going to treat her this or that way, etc (not just you, but in general)" I don…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 01:41 AM
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If you're confident enough to deviate from whatever 'social norms' you're mentioning, then you will have an easier time finding like-minded people.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 01:31 AM
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I don’t think you understood the question but your defensiveness is telling
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 01:13 AM
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Did you read everything I wrote 5 comments ago? I could imagine with a child we would both be more busy so we would have less time for other things including sex. answer my question though.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 12:53 AM
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Attractive Women*\* are honestly great and have no problem getting a “good guy” And yes, if they happen to be a single mom, as long as they are an attractive woman, yes not difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 12:48 AM
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you seem to be triggered by my responses. Curious about your answer to my question though. is there something logistically different about a facial than about sex? Women that I hook up with will give oral sex only when they're on their period for example. Is there something inherently gross about a facial that makes it less acceptable once you start building a life with someone?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 12:46 AM
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Are you implying that things like facials just aren't on the menu in committed relationships and only reserved for hookups?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 12:35 AM
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This is why I responded the way that I did. If there is a baseline on sexual desire, response, and expressions that is established before commitment, then I'd expect that baseline to remain the same after commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 12:30 AM
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I could imagine with a child we would both be more busy so we would have less time for other things including sex. I’m also pretty sure there’s like a short window after birth where you can’t have piv sex.., but when we did have sex, I would still expect dirty talk, blow jobs, facials… everything she was doing for me beforehand lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 12:22 AM
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No, I’d be texting her back right away, not fucking anyone else, and essentially sharing my salary with her. What’s your point?? Also, the question is basically “what would it take to make you feel…” You could just respond with something like “well that explains why you’re single” if you want to attack my response
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 12:20 AM
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No deviation from the sexual expression she showed when she was hoping I'd commit to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 10:55 PM
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Being asked to settle is thrown out as an available solution when someone is complaining why they can’t find someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 05:49 PM
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Women (mostly) want a bad boy/asshole who is nice, caring, and sensitive only for the woman. Just as men (mostly) want a “good girl” who bends over and does all the stuff that would maker her mamma shocked… but only for him So if that’s what you mean by “want a good man but don’t mean it” the you’re correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 08:50 PM
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Yeah just like you never see a hot dude with an ugly girl. You do however, see appropriate pairings IRL frequently.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 11:11 PM
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when you have to resort to magic to make it happen then it's not great You're the second person here to raise that objection, and my question is "why?" The female brain experiences attraction so wildly different (especially when it comes to casual sex) that it's pretty much exactly like a dude meeting a shape-shifting woman who shows up looking differently depending on the guy's mood as well as what he learns about her. men are near half the rape victims I'm talking about dating apps, which don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 12:08 PM
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If they were my partner, there would be a lot more than physical attraction. But yeah if it was some girl I was banging, of course that would be the end of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 01:27 AM
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This is a perfect response. OP, you're good. Legally and logically, you're good. So stop stating your case, cause all you're gonna get is 'Nah'.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 01:24 AM
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Turns out both men and women are capable of breaking rules for people they're attracted to, wouldn't you think?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 01:14 AM
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I'm not sure how you can say that? Women can choose who they want to have sex with, no? And their choices are not at random, right? There are reasons for their choices. Those reasons may change from second to second, but there are reasons, no? And there are some men who tend to get 'chosen' more than other men, right? Now, you can say what you want about how connecting 'being chosen for sex' to 'one's self worth' or 'overall value' is silly, nonsense, or whatnot and I'm not going to argue with y…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 01:10 AM
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Yeah, you’re really getting caught up on this fear and coercion thing. Of course there are shitty dudes out there, but that’s not what I’m talking about with this. This is simply nothing more than the knowledge (or perceived knowledge, good point) that a woman had different standards / rules / boundaries for one guy than another guy, and what that says about the desirability of the guy. It’s really just that. I’ve been on both ends of it. Me and my friends have a running joke about it: “OMG I NE…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 07:59 PM
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That’s up to the woman to decide, but I’m sure you’ve heard of a woman saying “I’m not the kind of girl who hooks up” and then at some point maybe… makes an exception?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 06:59 PM
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Yeah it’s boundaries but she breaks them herself. boundaries she enforced for other guys but broke for you = ego boost, comparative superior value Boundaries she broke for some other dude but enforced for you = ego hit, comparative lower value.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 06:52 PM
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No. This has nothing to do with coercion. I say “damn I want a new truck but I don’t have the money, I’m going to save up” I walk on the lot and look at shiny new truck and buy it with financing because damn I want it. I broke my rules because dude the truck is amazing. She broke her rules because damn he’s attractive, funny, confident, and has a great personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 06:41 PM
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Because we want the ego validation of having the woman express true desire for us by breaking her rules about sexual boundaries and making an exception for us. There is no more pure litmus test for true desire than a woman choosing to sleep with a dude. Im not saying it’s “fair” or “reasonable” but it is a biological reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 04:32 PM
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You seem to understand that i'm analogously flipping the experience of men in women (or at least poorly attempting to) in some areas of my post but missing it in others. The "hot date" at the resturant = sex, and sex = whatever women want (hot dates) So the "rape anaology" is more likely to happen in a restaurant because restaurant = situation where you're alone with a girl that could lead to sex IRL This is probably just poor writing skills on my end. It seemed like a great post when I wrote it…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 11:13 AM
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There’s no point in complaining at all about anything really, especially if you have a penis. I don’t see why whether you’ve vetted someone out of the dating pool or not gives any more or less legitimacy to complain.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 09:49 PM
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Because men who have moved into the x% that aren't 'Invisible' would be able to tell you how they did it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 07:04 PM
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What's frustrating about someone expecting you to do what you said that you want to do? I can imagine the frustration would come from the dude's knowledge that the girl has likely hooked up before, and shortcut logic of thinking he'd get laid too if he gave her what she wanted (a dude looking for something serious) not realizing his energy made her play into the "i'm looking for something serious.. with you.. at this particular moment.." line of date-based mental journey or something. My best gu…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 06:34 PM
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You 2 comments ago: I don’t know why we’re pretending that’s not common. You in the parent comment: I’ve never said most men who want casual sex do this.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 12:44 PM
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This is true and the proof of it is where genders divert from their in-group bias. For men, the "white knight" is a coined term that we've all seen at some point. There are only 2 female examples of this I can think of, and I'm 99% sure they are both grifters. They would be: Emily King Peral (JustPeralyThings)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 12:40 PM
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When I improved my appearance at the gym, I noticed both better responses on dating apps as well as increased confidence in general. Just because I'll never get consistent women being DTF upon seeing a pic of my 6 pack doesn't mean it doesn't help.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 12:38 PM
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I've spelled this out at least twice for you before, but I'll do it again. It's not uncommon for men to try this strategy. it IS uncommon for this strategy to work. I don't believe that most women are dumb enough for it to work. This strategy triggers women's defense mechanism for the guy to 'prove it' by not getting butthurt when she rejects sex on the first or 2nd date, and if the dude was bluffing, he gives up, saving the woman from falling into the 'trap'...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 12:34 PM
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I’m someone only looking for serious connections and I prefer to have sex early on I'm gonna try this line on a first date. Anyways... My take is this: "Although many men often TRY this strategy, it rarely works because it triggers the woman's 'prove it, then' response, further frustrating the guy. The men who are successful at getting hookups are able to lean into fun, teasing, and getting the woman to experience emotions in the 'here and now' in order to get a sexual response."
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 12:31 PM
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My guess is it comes down to how attraction works differently across sexes. Women can genuinely find men attractive for reasons beyond looks: status, confidence, competence, personality. So “short kings” or “bald men are sexy” can actually map onto real female attraction (the RP dudes SCREAMING at me over this further proves my point). Men are much more visually driven. So telling a severely overweight guy he’s “perfect as he is” doesn’t feel empowering... it feels false, because men know physic…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 12:05 PM
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There's no universal formula, yet dating apps have an algorithm that can accurately predict how desirable both men's and woman's profiles are based on swipe data...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 12:51 AM
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you're fucked, but keep swinging anyway 99% of dude's dating problems would at least START to be fixed if they simply took more action.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 12:49 AM
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What men ask women: "What do you want in a man?" The question the man thinks he's asking: "What would make women want to fuck me? The question the woman is answering: "How do I wish the men I want to fuck would treat me? No one is lying, it's a breakdown of communication. I don't advise asking women "What would make women want to fuck me?" though. Although you could try it. It's way easier to just observe the ment that women choose to fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 12:47 AM
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OP has an axe to grind that most men who have casual sex typically do it by duping poor dumb women into thinking they are down for an LTR when they only want a hookup.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 12:36 AM
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B and C are most definitely NOT linked. Evidence suggest they are actually negatively correlated.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 12:31 AM
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If I had to choose one, Option 3. I've got A down as a single dude. I spin plates for B, and I have friends (mostly men) for C. A committed relationship is a huge risk, and when all my needs are met, the only reason for one is I do want to have kids someday. I'm fine with dying alone. I'm around a lot of retired boomers for work and marriage doesn't seem too attractive based on the way they interact with each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 12:30 AM
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This might be staged, but even if it is, stuff like this happens all the time. Play along! Have some fun! As a dude, you probably like the idea of teasing a girl you're interested in. Why is this any different? A confident dude won't get butthurt, he'd cheer them on! They're literally having fun. And if you can play along, one of them (or both of them) might want to continue having fun later, and that fun might involve your dick. Just what I've learned from situations like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 12:51 PM
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Somewhere in your redpill handbook, there's a section on "shit tests". You should go re-read that section. Come on, bro. I've pulled from situations that looked like this at one point. Play along. Cheer them on. Maybe you can have both later.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 12:47 PM
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And chances are if the guy had still not given a fuck, gone and danced with a guy, or played along, cheering them on... in 5 minutes they'd have completely forgotten about it and he'd still have been in the game with whatever one he was interested in, perhaps both of them.... Every woman who commented on this video forgot about it a few minutes after they commented. Fucking relax, people.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 12:45 PM
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I know.. could you imagine if I was implying I’ve hooked up with every girl? I guess I can dream.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 09:22 PM
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I always listen to women when it comes to hook up’s. Every woman I’ve ever hooked up has told me “OMG I NEVER DO THIS!” so I just say “OMG ME EITHER!”
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 08:14 PM
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This is because the girl(s) lament to the sexless beta about how they ‘just want a good man’ while they hook up with ‘Chad’. This is more hypocritical than ‘Chad’s behavior, therefore the women get the blame. Objectively I get what you’re saying though, if we excuse women because ‘hypergamy tho’ then some of the blame should be on ‘Chad’ yet ‘Chad’ still remains the idol. Chad does have a really cool car though so…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 02:35 PM
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Rare post from you that I don’t disagree with anything you’ve said. My explanation for why guys are like this is they get butthurt when they learn that a girl had different rules for them (no sex at first) than she apparently had for some other dude (hooked up without a date, comes over for sex and leaves) To me, that’s the game, dude. Level up.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 02:30 PM
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Yes I was very careful how I worded that for that reason. Nice catch!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 09:46 PM
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Yeah that checks out too. My comment was in response to OP's post, which was about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 06:59 PM
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This is true, but a good portion of women know deep down what is and is not acceptable in a relationship when they are around what they perceive to be a "high value man". They suddenly act right, submit, and focus on position themselves as a nurturing, helping, teammate with the desire to be a good mother and start a family. Not all women, but honestly from what I've seen.. most.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 06:21 PM
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a 33% chance of getting hospitalised with food poisoning every time you go hmmm
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 05:41 PM
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What do you think are the biggest weaknesses in criticism of the manosphere This would be a better question for RedPill men. I think the criticisms are deserved, and that manosphere content is too much entertainment, not enough actual actionable advice. TRP was originally supposed to be like the Fight Club, but it has since become a cultural icon and widely discussed (particularly in short-form content on podcasts that realized they could get OF models to act dumb and take dunks in exchange for …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 05:22 PM
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Yeah but I can also imagine men just thinking with their sex brain and thinking "nah, won't happen to me"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 05:01 PM
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I mean, I also had to turn women into shape-shifters to help understand women's attraction wiring. that's a bit of magic as well right? And yes, I had to add magic to put you as a man into a world where you don't have the upper hand physically and will be vulnerable. Not sure how else to do that part.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 04:24 PM
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That was the intent as I was writing it, but after reading the responses and then re-reading what I wrote.. fuck it, I'm downloading it too!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 04:19 PM
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You've inspired a post.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 12:27 PM
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Having casual sex and feeling love through sex can both be true, although I understand the point you're trying to make. I have a lot of casual sex, but I have also caught feelings through some really good, consistent casual sex when a little friendship and shared passions outside of sex got sprinkled in. Kind of like both of these can be true: would you actually believe a woman saying “I feel love through money, jewelry, gifts, and/or expensive dinners. That just how women are”? Yes. I already d…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 01:57 PM
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This is key, u/LillthOfBabylon Weather or not men do this more than women is irrelevant to the point being made.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 01:48 PM
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Your proposed solution doesn’t change the problem. I was identifying the problem: “here is WHY men feel invisible” You saying “well they should…” doesn’t change the fact that they feel this way, regardless of whether they should or not. Hope that helps.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 01:26 PM
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Hey OP have you actually tried this and are reporting your findings like "Cold approaching is pathetic because it's ineffective, here's what I've found works better..." Or is this just a research paper without any research? Here are some benefits from cold approaching I've noticed since I did this weird thing no one on here does. I actually tried it: Increased awareness that people appreciate a friendly face to talk to Countless phone numbers, a few dates, and even a few lays. Incredible social …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 02:28 AM
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I won’t stoop to the level of insisting you “read my initial comment again, but imagine if I had said something more thoughtful like: “Therefore, from that perspective, it does make sense that comparatively, most men are “invisible” to women” And then later softened it to “you can understand how some men would feel invisible” Or do you want to lecture these men that their experience is invalid because they are cursed with wanting sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 02:09 AM
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“I don’t understand why people think this way” “Here is why people think this way” “You need to devalue sex” Got it
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 01:36 AM
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Ok I agree so I guess you understand now?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 01:27 AM
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Nah careful with the "if they try to silence it, that's because it must be true" way of thinking. That's gonna get you to some bad places.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 11:52 PM
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OK but surely you can understand a woman's lament of feeling "invisible" to a man who doesn't desire her, no? So like that, except for men. I don't feel invisible to women, but there was definitely a time in which I could have related.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 10:32 PM
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Yeah and money won’t buy happiness but when you can’t afford your next meal, all you’re gonna think about is money. Such is the life of a lot of men Hence the redpill ideology being attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 10:12 PM
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Ok well the “most men are invisible to women” is talking about sexual attraction so there’s where the disconnect is. Hope that helps.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 08:37 PM
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The "most men are invisible to women" sentiment could be more accurately described as this: When a man meets a woman, there is an immediate conscious and unconscious assessment of her desirability as a sexual partner. This may be fleeting or 99% ignored, but it exists. In addition, men's threshold for attraction is lower than women's. This is uniquely different from when a woman meets a man. Therefore, from that perspective, it does make sense that comparatively, most men are "invisible" to wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 07:07 PM
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I should have also included that a good starting question for this discussion would be to ask the person giving their comments if their definition of objectification includes the word “unwanted” in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 06:54 PM
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The majority of confusion on the topic of "objectification" is terminology confusion and a misinturpretation of points, counter points, and words. People judge other people based on how they look, and a significant portion of desire is a result of how someone looks. Both men and women want to be desired by people they find desirable. Women often feel frightened when they are desired by men who they do not find desirable. Therefore women have the struggle of trying to be desired by men they find …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 05:54 PM
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“I like being thoughtful and remembering things from his profile” I could be wrong, you are absolutely in the right to disregard my advice. Every once in a while I give women advice. It typically goes this way so take what I say with a grain of salt.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 03:13 AM
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You are being matched with the most valuable men to the app’s algorithm: men who pay for the app. Their time is valuable and they would rather move on to women who are quick to set up a date and are less work.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 01:08 AM
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Yes. I read the title and immediately knew who the poster was, but you’re not wrong This is exactly why women keep the facade of being innocent angels while occasionally (or not so occasionally) allowing the indulgence of a hookup when they find a guy who fits the bill.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 02:31 PM
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This is a weird question because the amount of “prep work” a guy has to put in is (typically) like less than 5 minutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 07:58 PM
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I’m gonna need a source on any group claiming everyone “needs” validation. At most, I’d agree everyone “wants” validation but still to varying degrees. “Needs validation” is maybe at best something redpillers would say about blue pillers
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 04:39 PM
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I feel like the test you’ve set up for “men feel love through sex” is “You should be able to have a ONS and have him fall for you” Otherwise “men feel love through sex” is BS try harder.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 05:26 PM
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Feelings. The guy slept with countless other women but never fell for them. Now he’s buying you flowers, confessing his love, and texting you back right away. In short, the male fantasy is the girl who was an innocent prude until she met him when she turned into his personal slut. The female fantasy is the asshole who didn’t believe in romance until he found her where he turned into a gentleman for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 12:57 PM
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Right. Pretty sure if any flavor pill guy on here were to learn his great uncle was a logger, his first reaction would be: “damn that’s badass!”
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 06:09 PM
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Welcome to the purple pill! We’ve been blue pill, dabbled in red pill, and found our way to the happy understanding of what works, what doesn’t, and how to have our cake and get our dick sucked too 😏
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 03:53 PM
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Men tend to enjoy taking risks….
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 12:32 PM
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“Icks” are hallucinations of the female mind that doesn’t know how to materialize the simple sentiment “he’s boring. He doesn’t know how to make me feel anything”. So the female mind desperately grasps at literally any rationalization it can find, and plugs it in to the question: “why am I not attracted to him?” Has nothing to do with masculine/feminine.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 07:56 PM
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And on the flip side when you click with someone you want to know they’re texting you because they’re thinking of you and want to, not because some BS rule says they have to.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 01:31 AM
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The male fantasy is the innocent girl who never even thinks about sex until she meets ME at which point she becomes overwhelmed with desire and wants nothing more but to please me and submit to/serve me. She is a lady in the streets and a freak in the sheets (only for me). She is down for whatever I am into (threesomes, kinky stuff, etc) and always loves and respects me.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 12:16 AM
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This is why I hate trying to quantify “happiness” and “stress”. People used to have to work most of the time they were awake in order to not die. Now we take a shit and scroll on TikTok. It’s definitely worth exploring why so many people become unhappy and off themselves but I don’t understand what the real utility in the question is. Yes, everyone has it much better today.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 08:33 PM
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Damn dude you totally OWNED your mom! That'll show her! r/thatHappened
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 11:10 AM
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lol OP thinks 10 is a high number for body count when it comes to people who engage in casual sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 08:49 PM
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It absolutely IS that they don’t want their time wasted by men only looking for hookups. I agree. My point is putting “no hookups” is not an effective strategy for the reasons I mentioned. I could do a breakdown on some of the biggest reasons why a lot of men have trouble “listening to women” but I don’t know if that would clear things up for you. This is pragmatic: there are 2 options to fix this problem (which I’ll agree is a problem) Expect all men to suddenly start “listening” Encourage wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 07:20 PM
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It sounds like you’re discovering what I said about women’s sexuality being contextual.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 03:11 PM
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I have a lot of hook ups and I never asked for it and I never met a woman who admited that she was into hook ups but somehow they were ok for it This is one of my favorite internal inside jokes with myself: Girl: "OMG I NEVER do this!!!" Me: "OMG ME EITHER!!"
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 01:35 PM
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I have something better: the ability to cultivate an emotional experience for "those women". You underestimate just how bored "those women" are. You also seem to underestimate just how bad the average dude is at pursuing a woman. Most dudes come off way too cringe at the beginning, are too nervous to relax and banter/flirt, or try too hard and shoot themselves in the foot. I've literally been ALL 3 OF THESE multiple times. It's taken time for me to figure it out. Also, men who have money ALWAYS …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 01:24 PM
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Women don't want to fuck their children. I know, shocking... /s
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 01:14 PM
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Put as simply as possible, Blue pill is the belief that: Just be yourself, fate will ensure the perfect woman who loves you just the way you are will come along when you least expect it. Women are delicate angels who always operate on the same principles and consistently value committed relationships with romantic, kind, thoughtful men above all else. Sex is earned by men. Women don't give it freely. When a woman falls in love with a man, she will assume the role of: Mother, Emotional Support/Va…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 01:09 PM
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There's no practical way to do this because you don't know which is which. No girl is going to self-identify herself as "oh yea I hook up on the first date all the time" So in practice, men do go after women who consistently make them wait. Women who are genuinely slow to have sex tend to be more reserved Source? Source on ANY of this paragraph? Women's sexuality is contextual. The "reserved" girl has walked up to me on vacation in cancun and threw herself at me, sucking my face off in the hallw…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 12:59 PM
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OK also I'm not real then.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 12:40 PM
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To most people, Absolutely. The reason would be because the person you're attracted to has a penis. Most people IMO have this opinion about passable trans women as well. The "correct" straight position would be to be attracted to neither. Again, in my opinion this is what I imagine "most people" to think.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 12:36 PM
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I actually was meaning it the other way around: She's (at least recently) posted multiple times about guys lying about their intentions that they're interested in an LTR so they can get a hookup. Although I agree a lot of guys may TRY to get hookups this way, it rarely works, and I feel like her worldview is that the typical dude with a soft harem acquired it by lying and misleading the women into thinking he was down for a LTR. My worldview is the opposite is true.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 10:11 PM
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You need to see 2 separate conversations here: Conversation 1 (what I'm interested in having): “Why do men react this way?” (descriptive). I was answering OP's question that I quoted in my original first response. Conversation 2 (what you're interested in having): “Should women stereotype men?” / “Do men deserve dignity?” You have already decided my position in conversation 2 and are trying to argue against it. I have no interest in conversation 2. I don't find it productive. You're looking for …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 08:20 PM
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I actually didn’t call it a “free pass”, but even if I did, it’s because they are in a situation where that “pass” is not typically “free”. This exactly illustrates my point though. We need to be able to have conversations about this without people automatically trying to identify my personal view on the matter, and therefore my morality and dignity as a human being because of my personal views. In business, relationship, relationships, and life in general, there will always be situations where …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 05:02 PM
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I knew people would read my response as defending a position. I have no interest in a position or in morality. It’s merely a reason. It doesn’t make it a GOOD reason or a BAD reason. It’s a reason. Cause and effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 03:37 PM
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based on your post history.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 01:32 PM
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why do dudes on this forum act as if it’s a controversial observation? Because they feel they specifically should be given a pass to be automatically perceived as "safe" because they have never committed violence against women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 01:29 PM
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Some people are naturally talented at sprinting, while other people are fat and slow-twitch dominant Yes, but track & Field is objective in how fast someone is. There are clear 1st, 2nd, 3rd place for races, and people can see how they rank based on the school's history. Dating is subjective. "Success" and "Failure" are all relative. I have friends that are hot and tall enough to be male models that have shitshow lives with drama and nonsense over "this one girl" who strings them along and make …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 01:27 PM
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Yeah I feel like something about your personality IRL might be filtering for the whatever percentage of dudes who think they can get in bed with you/your friends if they lie about their intentions. That's the only hypothesis I have at this point based on your post history.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 01:14 PM
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I 100% agree with your claims about men who want sex for pleasure, but I'm going to tighten it (because you know.. I like things nice and tight..) Here's the perspective from "one of those guys": They’re ashamed of appearing sexually disposable The rest of that last paragraph is wild, and I don't think represents most guys who regularly spin plates. The thing is, I have no issues with being seen as anything... "Sexually disposable", "A fuckboy", "an asshole", even "toxic". I've been called all o…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 01:04 PM
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They'd consume way too much time trying.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 11:38 PM
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I have no idea how they'd stop me from just creating a fake female profile with a vulnerable looking 8, setting a fee of $200, and cashing in multiple times a night. Like, how are they going to prove that I didn't show up for the date? How are they going to prove that the girl DID show up for the date if the guy wants his money back if the date doesn't go well? And beyond that (as others have mentioned) how do they keep this from becoming an obvious escort service? This idea seems to still be in…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 11:16 PM
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This might be true for excessive muscles, but as a #SkinnyDude.. putting a decent amount of muscle on my arms, shoulders, and chest worked wonders for the attention I got and the way women addressed me.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 08:47 PM
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“When you’re broke, money feels like everything. When you have no friends, other people’s approval feels like everything. And when you’ve never been desired, sex starts to feel like everything.” That doesn’t make it good, healthy, or moral... but it does explain the psychology behind it. The disgusting comments you’re pointing out aren’t evidence that men think sex is the highest good. They’re evidence of scarcity warping judgment. A lot of men grow up with little to no sexual validation, so the…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 08:44 PM
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I mean, I enjoy the company of a woman the most when she's on her knees sucking my dick. Maybe that's just me? To be less crass - (and this may come to you as a shock) men gauge women's interest in terms of sexuality because both biology and society are largely structured around "value" being STRONGLY correlated to sexual desire. I have no desire on trying to change this or having a philosophical discussion about the moral implications of this. It just is. Your point about DeadBedrooms is off-ba…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 08:38 PM
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Physical Appearance, ESPECIALLY among dudes who already check a lot of boxes in the good-looking department. The majority of dudes who insist they can't get dates because of their appearance are half right - They mentally disqualify themselves because they hyper-obsess about it, not realizing there are many other ways to make a woman feel excitement than being tall, broad shouldered, and having a jawline that can cut diamonds. I'm talking about the little shit - like their teeth aren't 100% perf…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 08:26 PM
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You've basically said "I can't understand someone else's worldview" 3 different creative ways now. Let's see how many times u/SwimmingTheme3736 can get you up to.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 02:26 AM
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Also, most guys who planned to pump and dump also pretend they want a relationship to get sex under false pretenses This is the root of the flaw of your view of the dating market. This is false. Sex on the first, second, or 12th date is not a negotiation of "I'm only going to have sex with you if you tell me you want a relationship". If that were the case When that is the case, women withhold sex until the commitment discussion occurs (or more realistically, they loose interest because they go o…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 09:03 PM
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It is definitely generalized. Op's post is incredibly generalized. I am fine with agreeing that I am correct in a generalized context, and that there are exceptions as you have pointed out.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 08:42 PM
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Sort of. I do think it is easier for a woman to be single and not lonely than for a man to be single and not lonely. More Women are offered free attention from men than the other way around. I understand that the majority of this attention is not wanted, but most men have a total of zero women sliding into their DM’s ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 02:53 PM
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And I could just as easily say that if you are 100% secure in your sexuality, you would be OK with the reality that the overwhelming majority of men who identify as straight are actually 100% straight.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 02:51 PM
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Thank you for dragging this out. It’s astounding just how many people really want men and women to be the same in this regard. I’m sorry, the vast majority of men who identify as straight are actually truly honestly fully 100% straight in any circumstance. Is there a small percentage who are secretly closeted? of course! But that is a small percentage. No, it is not due to a social stigma. No, they are not secretly closeted. And no, they are not secretly bi-curious to any degree. I don’t underst…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 02:49 PM
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It can be classified as a spectrum and still have an overwhelming cluster of men who are straight and are attracted to other men 0% of the time regardless of circumstances. Whether you like it or not…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 03:20 PM
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Well apparently u/alarmingarm9919 has some data to suggest otherwise. I’m gonna look into it when I get a chance
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 03:01 PM
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I’m not sure the point you’re trying to make but the point I was trying to make is that men’s sexuality is 99.9% static, whereas women’s is much more fluid when the right circumstances present themselves. There is no set of circumstances that would make the average straight dude consider sucking a dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 02:22 PM
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You’re thinking about this like a man. Men’s sexuality is static. They either like women, men, both, or like a very small percentage are asexual. The idea of sex with a man is repulsive to a straight man 100% of the time The idea of sex with an attractive woman is tempting to a straight man is tempting 100% of the time (perhaps excluding the refractory period after he has just orgasmed) Women are different. Their sexuality is contextual. They rarely look at anyone and the first thought that come…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 02:06 PM
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Only if you don’t understand how a woman’s mind works.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 07:29 PM
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So did I, but in the eyes of every woman I’ve fucked, I was born that way
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 07:29 PM
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Women don’t think like this. Nobody “becomes” a ladies man. Guys who are ladies men were always like that, ever since they came out of their mother‘s womb, they were smooth talkers, good looking, confident, charismatic, etc. There’s no possible way that that is a learned trait at all. It’s who they are. They were always that way. Don’t ever get that confused, my friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 06:41 PM
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It tells you he doesn’t take initiative / expects others to do things for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 11:44 AM
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This is all nonsense. As someone who has actually dated now for 7 years, YES, men do lie when they feel it’s their only option to keep something going… but it rarely (if ever) works. Women are smarter than people on this sub give them credit for in this department. “Women look for someone who’s perfect for them” No, women look for someone who makes them feel something. Lying and pretending you fit whatever BS criteria they came up with mid-conversation is the road straight to coming off as “try-…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 10:54 AM
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TL;DR: By having tangible criteria for what I’m looking for in addition to just “how he makes me feel”. There’s a viral clip of a girl talking to a dating coach where she is listing her standards. She says things like: 7 figures Some sort of morning routine with a protein shake/smoothie not balding no tattoos (except if it was a frat/secret society thing) This might be a REALLY hot take, but I actually would consider her in the “less delusional” group of women because she is actually listing tan…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 10:37 AM
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||The day men learn to be happy single there it is. Most men never learn this because they are lonely
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 10:22 AM
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"Mistakes" I see some women make: Putting "no hookups" in a dating profile. All this does is: Indicate you feel like you hook up too much Indicate you're expecting men to do the work of not trying to hook up with you rather than you setting boundaries. "no hookups" in your dating profile is not a boundary. In fact, it's likely the opposite. We see a challenge. "well, other dudes hooked up with her, so why not me?" Put provocative pictures in your dating profile when you're genuinely looking for …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 12:34 AM
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As a human being, sometimes I feel like I want a casual hookup with a shallow girl who is going to gag on my cock like a pornstar, but other times I feel like I want a committed LTR. I'm entitled to both if I am able to find a willing partner. Just like a woman is entitled to casual hookup on the ol' carousel and then a stable man later if she can manage to find a willing partner. I don't see morality here. This is just the way things work to me. Stop whining and position yourself to get what yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 01:27 PM
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men don't want LTRs with us, the men in my dental school opt for relationships with the dental hygienist student girls Must obviously imply that Men refuse to admit that they are intimidated by smart, independent women As a man, a staggeringly significant amount of my life decisions have revolved around positioning myself to have access to beautiful women. Sounds like you need to make some life choices as well to position yourself toward both getting the life you want as well as attracting the m…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 01:19 PM
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I’m just more amazed that her posts always get approved. I don’t even understand what she’s talking about in part of this. It’s so incoherent. And then the stuff that I post only about half of it gets approved. So wild.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 10:35 PM
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I think that a lot of the dudes who fill online spaces with RedPill content or consume redpill content lean MAGA, But men who act accordingly with redpill theory aren’t necessarily aligned with any particular politics.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 06:11 PM
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Correct
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 01:11 PM
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Well sex before marriage is a sin to so I prefer to go big. Add in some sodomy… does a MFF threesome add the homosexual component there to a degree or is it just bad if it’s 2 dudes? Oh and of course I’m going to spill my seed.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 05:21 PM
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The book "No more Mr. Nice Guy" answers your question in full detail, but as a brief synopsis: the "nice guy" that RP dudes talk about is one who minimizes his own desires in favor of catering to the perceived needs of a woman in order to form a "covert contract" with her that if he meets her perceived needs without being asked, she will meet his unspoken needs (i.e. sex) without being asked. In addition, the "bad boy" is the "chad" type figure who disregards other's needs in favor of his own an…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 07:05 PM
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If you want to assign a catchy label to it, "Victim Blaming" fits better, but my point still stands: In practice, feminist hostility is not evenly distributed across men. it’s concentrated around specific behaviors and online contexts.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 06:59 PM
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… to justify hatred and abuse toward [a small subset of] men. The easiest BY FAR solution is to just not come off as that subset and you will never have to deal with any woman trying to guilt trip you into feeling sorry for having a penis. The dudes who are spinning plates and having success dating are having 0 conversations about feminism. They don’t happen in the real world unless YOU AS THE GUY are doing or saying stupid shit to bring it up. They happen online.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 05:04 PM
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You’d be surprised. The 18-24 range is lit AF for dudes. I’d agree after around 30 when men hit the wall it becomes harder and you have to actually be fit You’re underestimating the amount of gay boomers, MyDude. It seems as if most men are… invisible to you…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 03:33 AM
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No, men paying young men for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 03:31 AM
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So could most young men…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 08:36 PM
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OK so back to u/Pristine-Object241 's point though. Are you going to address it?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 06:37 PM
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As someone who has gotten a lot of it… absolutely!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 05:43 PM
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This sounds like a “societal engineer” justification for disliking single moms. RP dudes dislike them because they still get attention from dudes… and to RP dudes that’s not fair because they fucked up and don’t appear to be paying the consequences as badly as they should in the RP brain. This is why RP rhetoric always seems to be building some case to convince other dudes not to pay them any attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 07:23 PM
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This. A good hour long conversation about interests and passions will "vet" 90% of issues in dating immediately. It's those weird tests and odd job-interview style questions that make it weird. "What's your greatest weakness?"
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 06:32 PM
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This isn't about me This is about your post where you said it's a problem... that I'm guessing that if you had a choice, you'd want solved? to avoid the "social collapse" So thats why I said "take it up with women as a whole" because that's the only way you're going to solve the problem you described. Anyways, I think there may be some pushback, but also porn and AI are going to come along and fill that gap. OF has already done a ton of work there. I do think that some of these men may grow frus…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 04:31 PM
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I think that narrative is really hurting men in general because it suggests that every man just has to fight harder for himself Women sexually prefer winners, not men propped up by societal institutions. I don't know what to tell you. Take it up with women as a whole? The flipside for me is that men have lots of categories to make themselves a "winner" in (talents, humor, unique interests, sense of adventure, etc..). It's not ONLY dudes like Tate that get laid (honestly most dudes trying to be l…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 02:23 AM
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The solution for each woman is going to be "Men should do more of what I want and understand me better" and I mean, it's not bad advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 02:12 AM
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TLDR: MOST (if not ALL) will continue to get harder for 80% of men. Elimination of economic hardship has caused MASSIVE structural changes in dating. Material conditions for most people have improved dramatically over the last 150 years, yet dating outcomes (for a large share of men) have arguably become more unequal, not less. For most of human history, pair-bonding wasn’t primarily about preference or attraction; it was about survival. Economic dependence, limited mobility, and social norms me…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 01:58 AM
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Could something like this happen? Absolutely, people act based on the way they're feeling at that particular moment. If during the course of these 9 events she had a shitty attitude or something mental going on (we all do, regardless of gender) maybe she just didn't feel like engaging with anyone. Less likely that she'd do all that and then post about it but who knows.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 02:32 AM
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I'm purple and fully support it. It's the door-to-door sales of relationships. It's not gonna find you a wife, but damn you should absolutely be the kind of guy who can do it if needed. Changes your entire outlook.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 01:03 AM
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Good thing the ovaries aren’t down the throat 💁🏼
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 03:58 PM
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I think it’s because most women have - at one point in their life - dressed with the specific intent of gaining a man’s attention, but that’s uncommon, and they don’t want people to think that’s what they’re doing when they’re not. I also think they sometimes silently accuse other women of this which is why they assume they’re being accused of it. Just my 2 cents as a clueless man.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 03:54 PM
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You worded it better than most.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 02:06 PM
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Leader has a different role. That's a coalition, not a hierarchy. Example: A punter on a football team will be in a hierarchy of punters - he is pitted up against punters on other football teams, not the quarterback on his team. Also what does your response have to do with men/women? My point still stands that this is not a gendered issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 03:28 AM
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I'm not here to tell other people what they should or shouldn't want. That's on them. Things I'm here to share: HOW or WHY conditions exist. Translation of what I think girls mean when they say certain tropes. Re-directing men's frustration toward self improvement (perhaps the closest to what you want me to do here, but moot in this situation IMO) Detailed guides on how to overcome struggles men face Point out when someone's observation of women in general actually applies to people in general A…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 03:14 AM
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Yeah just pretend I put “for some men” before that quote and you’re good. Oh wait, i did put “for some men” there
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 07:29 PM
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Yeah, you should be comfortable enough with someone you've chosen to date to be able to tell them how you're feeling without worrying about "strategizing the attraction frame". Exhausting.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 05:44 PM
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Another unnecessarily gendered post. People at the top of hierarchies are cool with them. People at the bottom aren't. Whether it's competence or looks, men or women, doesn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 05:36 PM
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I think this argument has the same problem as phrases like “money doesn’t buy happiness” or “you shouldn’t care what other people think.” Those statements are often true, but they’re almost always said more as a flex by people who already have money, status, or social validation. It’s easy to say casual sex “isn’t that important” once you’ve had access to it. Just like it’s easy to say money doesn’t matter once your bills are paid. Where I disagree is the idea that men need a certain amount of c…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 05:33 PM
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I can personally relate to a lot of the struggles men talk about, but I’ve always tried to see them as opportunities to grow. Am I perfect? Hell no. Am I better than I was last year? Absolutely. First, there is a disproportionate amount of effort required from men. It’s easy to look at women receiving attention and mostly choosing rather than pursuing and think, “Damn, that must be nice.” That feeling is understandable. Second, the “rules” of attraction aren’t clearly spelled out. As humans, we …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 05:28 PM
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No. Stop blanketing things. The more of a deficit there is in attraction between 2 partners, the lower the bar for other things will be. Basic logic. If the guy is hot and so is the girl, the bar for other things is definitely STILL HIGH. You're looking at a nonsense case where the guy is HOT and the girl is average so there's NO BAR for anything else, she's pursuing him or making herself available. Yeah, of course the bar is in hell. The advice from the article is taking cases where I'm guessin…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 05:15 PM
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If they were continuing to date me, that would mean I proved them wrong so I’d be fine with it. I kind of assume that women have all kinds of intentions, justifications, or feelings about me in different circumstances so it’s nonsense to try and figure out what the overarching reasons or feelings she has for me are other than “she chose to date me” which… if I’m into her enough to date her, is good enough for me. Like I’m sure she lowered her standards for me in some respects but I’m the best sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 05:08 PM
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I mean if you could get matches with most of the women you swiped on but you knew most of them were just after something that wasn’t your primary goal, what would you do to vet them? Would you continue with one that gave you a less than stellar answer or just talk to a different one?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 01:14 AM
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This guy mixes.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 08:12 PM
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They are though. You have to have the ability to separate a moral assessment from human nature. I’m not saying that cultural norms are morally correct, but I am saying that humans will naturally follow cultural norms in the same way that they obey other natural urges, because we are social creatures. We often don’t question social norms either. That’s why they’re so powerful. That’s why they work. That doesn’t make them morally correct, it’s just a fact. Because I am able to recognize this, I ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 02:12 PM
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I hold no judgement for your desire to do your relationship they way you want What does "pink pill woman" mean to you? because I did a search and it's pretty much aligned with the exact opposite of what you said. Why does obeying and conforming the cultural frame work appeal to you? Because I like it. It's like asking why boobs appeal to me. I don't know. I can't do anything useful with them, so by all logic they're a complete waste of time. But like, damn. "obeying" seems weird. No one "obeys" …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 02:46 AM
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It's a great thing that you've come to realize that Ideologies are dangerous. My experience was different... mainly because I got a better version of what you would consider "red pill". I read the book of pook (as well as literally everything else on the old RP subreddit sidebar) and decided to test it out. Testing it out was the best thing I've ever done. This was before Andrew Tate. I come across his content from time to time on my FB reels (insta and TikTok haven't shown him to me yet). He's …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 02:33 AM
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Yes, because it defies the cultural framework, and I tend to both attract and prefer women who take a more submissive role with me. It would be wildly out of character. Also, I can't see any situation where this would make sense. Even from a more modern feminist egalitarian perspective, I would think that instead of a proposal, there would be a mutual discussion about commitments and then rings would be purchased together... not a reversal of traditional gender roles. It is worth noting that eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 02:17 AM
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Women control weak men via sex
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 12:30 AM
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Or maybe different groups have different informational blind spots and women, by lived experience, are often better at noticing social and attraction signals from women Or maybe women are indeed mind readers. I wouldn't know.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 12:23 AM
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I agree that selfishness is a very specific claim and that it implies intent. It requires more than unequal outcomes; it requires a clearly expressed desire on one side that’s (more or less) knowingly dismissed or deprioritized on the other. Without that element, a lot of other explanations (ignorance, anxiety, lack of experience, bad information from porn, performance pressure) remain fully on the table. When you apply that standard to the orgasm gap, the intent question becomes crucial. If men…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 02:57 PM
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I think the easiest way to do this (which works for over half the claims made on this sub as well) is just to identify the lack of evidence that this issue is gendered. Regardless of what % of men are predators, or friends with predators: Is there anything to suggest that predators are ONLY friends with men? or do they have female friends too? Is women's "intuition" enough to help them avoid being friends with predators? And if so, why don't they warn other men? Or is the claim that men who are …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 02:30 PM
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OK so.. imagine a guy goes out with his guy friends and tries opening girls at a bar and the guy friends wing or watch and then try to give him advice. I'm not saying that every single interaction is going to get nuggets of wisdom from having a girl present, but a girl is way more likely to pick up on things that most guys either miss or don't understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 02:00 PM
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What she actually means is: "if I were her, I would have lost interest when you said x because y". This is still useful advice, and still miles ahead of the advice men would give. I understand some women are out of touch, but typically you get nuggets with this strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 03:07 AM
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We have different experiences. I'm not challenging or invalidating yours. An orgasm is an orgasm for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 02:11 AM
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lol what? They vary in intensity, duration (although not much), and volume of semen sure, but they're all categorically the same for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 01:49 AM
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Yeah you summed this up very well. I jumped through a lot of extra hoops over-focusing on what could possibly be considered more "edge cases" to get my point. Would have been a lot easier if I had just pointed out that PIV sex does quite a bit more for the man's orgasm than the woman's. Do you think any bit of that gap is due to men's selfishness? or that if men's selfishness would outweigh women's selfishness when it comes to the supposed cases of sex when men don't orgasm (very curious as to w…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 01:06 AM
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Women's advice is FUCKING CLUTCH in some circumstances, but also useless and misleading in others. Here's what I've found: General advice about how to make yourself more sexually desirable will almost always get you piss-poor advice from women, but it's because women think differently. Best example: The classic "what do you want in a man?" will get you "This is how I wish men I was attracted to would treat me". Useless. That's not what you (the guy) were asking.. but also you've got to ask bette…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 12:48 AM
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Yeah... I don't know how much of a debate this is. This is one of the ways a woman could destroy a good man.. But.. People can destroy people. I don't think you have any evidence to suggest that: Women destroying good men happens any more or less often than Men destroying good women Tl;Dr, people can be shitty sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 12:23 AM
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repeated sexual success → entitlement → sexist beliefs Classic Correlation vs. Causation.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 12:19 AM
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I know right? Anything but put in work. It’s other guys’ fault for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 04:16 AM
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What the hell is that youtube video? Anyways you're close... Let's fix your claim: To ALL women, MOST male attention is low value. However, attention from SPECIFIC men can be extremely high value. It depends on the guy. This problem would be solved if men started actually having standards That's not going to happen. But do you know what could happen? YOU could work toward becoming the kind of man that some women value the attention of. Much more likely than wishing men as a whole would stop simp…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 03:55 AM
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So by your logic, the first man she has sex with will always be her best? Honestly there's a level of truth to that. Maybe not "her best", but definitely unique, and instrumental in building the foundation of sexual expectations. I get what you're saying.. I think it could be better worded by saying that if you're not giving a woman a categorically new experience, you will subconsciously be compared to a standard set by someone else. But "categorically new experience" is subjective, and MANY of …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 02:50 AM
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This is going to sound like I'm being sarcastic but honestly.. When you are intimate with a woman, do you have to tell her to touch your penis? If so, what percent of the time would you say this happens? No, I don't have to tell her, but I do 100% of the time. Because I like telling people what to do. Turns out just about all women I've hooked up with like it too for some reason... When you receive oral sex, did you have to verbally and explicitly request it? Usually no, but I always do. It's us…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 02:18 AM
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Oh ok cool. I can get behind that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 02:12 AM
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OK cool, so were you gonna tie that into men's selfishness or are you more or less agreeing that the orgasm gap is tied to other things now?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 01:46 AM
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Cool, is there a part about men's selfishness in here or is this just a rant about other stuff?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 01:39 AM
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This sounds like an argument for why most women just don't have sex with men in general. But most women do have sex with men. How do you square all these women choosing to do something so unpleasant?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 01:37 AM
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OK so now you have an argument if you can tie that into why it equates to "men are selfish"
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 01:34 AM
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Great! Took 4 messages, but you are now among one of the few people on here to verbalize a legitimate counter-argument. Can you clarify why a man has more of an incentive to be an attentive lover in an LTR than in a hookup? If the guy is into the girl, why wouldn't he pull out all the stops from the get-go?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 01:28 AM
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I've found that I can prove my point about the orgasm gap not being about men's selfishness without having to jump into the sub-topic of "women actually are turned on when the man is selfish", but I totally agree with you. Maybe that's the next debate topic to post on here and see if you or I can convince the general PPD community HAHA good luck!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 01:25 AM
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OK, I re-read our discussion and I feel like we are talking past each other.. and also that that’s largely on me. I was over-extending an argument that didn’t actually need to be made. Let me restate my position more cleanly. I’m not claiming that socially significant decisions (inviting someone over, spending time together, etc.) deterministically map onto sexual outcomes, nor that pre-bedroom dynamics logically entail what happens during sex. I agree those stages are distinct and that sexual e…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 01:21 AM
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Ok cool do you have a “this points to male selfishness” angle on anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 10:39 PM
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The women you're with have a mix of Me? or men in general? Letting "me" (I think you mean men, we're talking about statistics here) do it and faking it would still show up as "not achieving orgasm" on the surveys, so this checks out. Are you agreeing with me? Because if you're disagreeing, you'll need to connect that to male selfishness.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 10:13 PM
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I don't think any anecdotes or arguments I can provide will slam dunk my side as "undeniably true", and I feel the same about anyone who disagrees with me's claims. But yes, you re-worded my argument accurately.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 09:56 PM
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It's not scientifically sound. It's typical that when someone is grasping for comebacks during a debate on here, they point out that it's impossible for their opponent to prove their point scientifically. "It's because men are selfish" Vs. "It's not because men are selfish" Neither side has an empirical, testable, falsifiable advantage. End rant. Except neither has proven anything when they enter the bedroom. Except neither has proven anything when they enter the bedroom. I disagree, I think tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 09:51 PM
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This can easily be explained by pointing out that bottoms are less likely to care about their own pleasure. It also flows nicely into a discussion about hetero hookup sex typically having more of a gendered top/bottom or dom/sub dynamic between men and women, respectively... which also checks out.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 09:41 PM
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But that's contradictory by the results of this since women orgasm more often in relationships Not if women aren't prioritizing their own orgasm in hookups (see argument 1 form my post) In a hookup dynamic, the woman has already vetted the man (otherwise the dude would simply walk up to her and say "come home with me"). The man has only vetted the woman based on her physical attraction. She now wants to prove herself in other areas. Both are trying to ensure the other party's continued interest,…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 09:34 PM
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Now, of course women have women parts and men don’t, so I wouldn’t always attribute to selfishness what can be attributed to ignorance Right. I have an easy side of the argument in that there are many other factors than "men's selfishness" to choose from. Porn is so deeply embedded in a lot of men’s minds that they can’t seem to wrap their heads around sex that visually looks “boring” The porn argument is weird because if we assume that women IRL don't perform or look like they do in porn, then …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 09:25 PM
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So, this supports the original claim quite well then, thanks for sharing!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 09:09 PM
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This can be accounted for by a plethora of reasons other than "Men are selfish" I have laid out reasons in my post.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 09:08 PM
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Girls that I know like to have a fling here are there they are 100% expecting an orgasm Interesting. What is your hypothesis on why the orgasm rate for women is lower for hookups than LTRs then?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 08:59 PM
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Yeah that surprised me, and I expected it to be at or close to 100% in hookup scenarios. Like I get if your wife is hornier than you and wants you to go down on her or finger her a lot, but what are these hookups where the guy isn't cumming? I feel out of touch haha.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 08:55 PM
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I think it very unlikely they are engaging in sex not hoping for an orgasm. It's not binary. "I think it very unlikely they are buying dresses not hoping for them to have pockets" It's nice, but you probably buy dresses without pockets. Later on: "I never liked that dress anyway, it didn't have pockets"
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 08:52 PM
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You're citing a thread in which I was the last to respond, responded directly to your points, and my argument was: That’s fine you can pin it on me. I’d cite “lack of communication” as a valid reason in relationships. That might be short, but I have the easier end of the stick here because I have the negative assertion: "It's NOT because of selfishness" which leaves me an infinite number of other factors to choose from. Today I post some well thought out explanations for the gap and of course to…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 08:46 PM
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This seriously props up my assertion that women have sex (especially casual sex) for reasons other than achieving orgasm...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 08:32 PM
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Ok dude yesterday you were really providing stuff that was challenging my opinion and making me think, but now you're in here parading the comments like "bruh i owned you yesterday LOOK AT THIS LINK" let's keep trying... "Newlyweds" are not all LTRs, and that didn't even support your claim anyway. There was still a very noticeable orgasm gap. Pretend i'm dumb and elaborate here? I'm comparing committed vs casual sex. Newlyweds are very committed. hinges upon your assertion that men in casual enc…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 08:29 PM
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So, the stuff your saying supports the data that men orgasm more than women. I agree. We're all in agreement on that. No one is disagreeing with the studies. But then again there’s a large number of dudes who fail to do that and then wonder why they get ghosted after sex You need to provide evidence why women supposedly ghost men after sex if they don't orgasm. Because there's no evidence that women are doing anything to pre-screen for a man's commitment to her orgasm before sex is negotiated.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 08:06 PM
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That's fair. I didn't go there in my post because it's always met with the "Well sounds like YOU should learn then!"
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 07:58 PM
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Good argument, wrong person in the comments to give it to. She more or less thoughtfully reflected on how she herself could be contributing to the issue. It seems like you're arguing with or coming down on her.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 07:56 PM
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Yeah see it's comments like this that there's nothing I can do with. I built a thoughtful detailed case for reasons why that's NOT the case and you have literally no response to anything that I said. Thanks for the engagement I guess?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 07:47 PM
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Oh trust me, there was a time when I couldn't either. Then I learned game...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 07:43 PM
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Precum is sufficient That's why I said "typically" ("in the way male orgasm typically is"). I chose my words carefully. It's sufficient to just say that a woman's orgasm is NOT required for reproduction, and that male primates in which promiscuity was prevalent evolved testicles dangling outside of the body in a scrotum to optimize sperm production, mushroom shaped penis heads to aid in shoveling out competing sperm, and increased ejaculation volume to optimize sperm competition, so men orgasmin…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 07:42 PM
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HA! "Sorry babe, I got last night's plate off 3 times so I'm still ahead if you don't cum tonight.."
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 07:22 PM
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Definitely a huge factor, Sounds way better coming from a woman than from a man though. Thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 07:21 PM
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Edit your comment to respond to my question and I'll address your response.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 07:20 PM
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“I can’t imagine any situation in which another woman would think differently than me unless she’s mentally ill, even after you’ve specifically described these situations.”
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 07:14 PM
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your theory is that women don’t orgasm as much in casual encounters because they don’t actually want sex but have ulterior motives, and are completely distracted by that and not pursuing enjoyment? More or less, Yes. I'd tweak your statement to say they don't actually want to orgasm, they have more important goals for the sexual encounter than their own climax. I understand that's not how YOU think, but try to imagine how OTHER women think. sex is an intimate activity and therefore is better whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 07:05 PM
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Incredibly thoughtful response, thanks for sharing. If more women thought like you, the numbers would be much closer IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 06:52 PM
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Do you believe that some women would choose to have casual sex with a man a second time if they didn’t orgasm the first time? If so, why?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 06:48 PM
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Crap… he used the “y’all”.. I’m cooked.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 06:42 PM
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That would be a hilarious T shirt to wear at parties: “Just sit on my face and we’ll close the gap for good” Or something like that Seriously though, in your mind, what would it take for you to stop viewing my argument points as “excuses” and start viewing them as “reasons”? I’ll answer the question vice-versa so we’re playing fair, pulling from my personal experience. I have yet to suggest during sex that we work toward a female orgasm and had that suggestion met with enthusiasm. The few times …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 06:38 PM
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Not sure what you mean by “non-ejaculatory orgasm” do you mean a female orgasm? Is that like a sarcastic rhetorical question? Not sure what you’re getting at… Mechanically, most sexual positions allow the man to enhance his own stimulation towards orgasm considerably more than the woman (woman-on-top positions being the exception, but even with the woman on top, the man can still do the majority of the thrusting work if he wants) I don’t think there’s a real debate about blaming the woman for th…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 06:21 PM
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Oh totally. I definitely think it’s a small percent of women who complain about the gap.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 06:15 PM
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I specifically picked studies that focused exclusively on casual and committed hetero encounters so that the data wouldn’t be skewed so no, I’m not arguing one is skewing the other. I hate this because I feel like all I’m doing is re-wording my original post but maybe I wasn’t clear enough? In LTRs, there’s “less of” a difference, but definitely an undeniable difference. I account for that by saying first that biologically, female orgasm is more difficult in general because it’s not necessary fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 06:14 PM
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Cool, so it would then be on you to come up with a reason why those 2 things are tied to one another. I’ve given 2 solid reasons why they’re NOT.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 05:40 PM
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I think me and the person I responded to are more or less in agreement on the topic. But yeah absolutely, as soon as someone responds to my arguments. Not sure if anyone’s actually read the post yet. Based on our previous discussions, you probably will though, so I await your thoughtful response!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 05:39 PM
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It's not. It's women NOT demanding anything and then some of them whining about it after the fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 05:18 PM
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CMV: You can't "be friends" with someone you want to be romantically involved with. Friendship requires aligned intentions, and unreciprocated attraction breaks that symmetry. When one person is hoping for escalation and the other isn’t, the relationship becomes strategic rather than genuine. Behavior gets distorted, exit costs are unequal, and emotional closeness creates unspoken expectations. Over time this blocks both people from moving on and erodes trust, not because anyone is malicious, bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 05:30 AM
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OK, so just to be clear, you are saying that the literal Oxford dictionary example of using the word in a sentence is invalid? “I’m trying to turn our situationship into a committed relationship” — Oxford example. I could literally tell you about countless anecdotal examples I have of this in my own life with women that I have had Situationships with who were hoping for a relationship with me. There was no ambiguity about my intentions. I was only interested in sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 03:17 AM
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Well I mean, the study does make a distinction between hookups and relationships.. and what do you know! One of them there’s more of a disparity! That’s fine you can pin it on me. I’d cite “lack of communication” as a valid reason in relationships. Anyways, since now we’re in a debate, what do you have to say about my “women aren’t focused on men’s pleasure in hookups” argument?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 10:54 PM
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That's cool. We still disagree but I feel like you fully understood my argument and I fully understood yours. Cheers.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 09:55 PM
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any woman could get some form of attention on a dating app. Correct. but the reason they don't is they are not willing to lower their standards. Same reason most men are incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 09:54 PM
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My argument isn’t “women need to communicate more,” nor is it a denial that an orgasm gap exists. It’s that a lot of discourse around the gap functions retroactively rather than descriptively. After a relationship or situationship ends (especially if it's painful for the woman), it’s common to reframe the sexual dynamic as “he never cared about my pleasure anyway,” which serves to devalue the man and reclaim moral ground. But it's in no way related to what was happening in the heat of the moment…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 09:50 PM
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This isn't really true. It sounds true, but think about it. Excluding the extremes (which, OP may be consider the extreme here - which is what my argument is addressing when i said "as long as you are capable of crafting a reddit post") It's a matter of lowering your standards (or perhaps accurately assessing them) and putting in effort. I think a lot of men that are incels are incels because they won't lower their standards. They could always go lower, but "those women" (insert offensive slurs)…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 09:23 PM
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This is an interesting argument and I have thoughts on this I am making a note so that I remember to come back to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 09:19 PM
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Thanks for the thoughtful response! but I'm gonna push a little.. There's an abundance of literature on the correlation between rates of self-report of taboo behaviors and bio-verification of said behaviors What would be an example of "bio-verification" for a question like "how many sexual partners have you had?" Let me be clear about this: My issue isn’t "women bad, women LIE!" (i'm not saying that's what you're accusing me of either, just for anyone else who might be reading this) it’s that th…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 09:12 PM
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That does not matter for Fisher’s principle. Fisher’s principle would genuinely fail if: Sex-specific gametes become optional Female-only reproduction dominates Artificial reproduction removes male contribution Cultural or technological constraints override biological inheritance e.g., systematic sex-selective abortion or engineered embryos And importantly: Those changes are technological, not evolutionary They override selection rather than refute it
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 07:30 PM
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What do you mean by "meant"? You could ask most women if they've ever been with someone they weren't "meant" to be with and they'd say yes of course. There is no "meant to" "not meant to" morality judgement here. Bottom line is if you have the capacity to type a reddit post, you have the capacity to find a partner. She may not meet your standards, and there's a plethora of resources available to you to improve yourself and your options. Just as men accuse women of ignoring x% of men, men do the …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 07:16 PM
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This is self-reported sexual partners. I’m not interested in how many partners people say they’ve had, I’m interested in how many partners people have had. Example: let’s say a woman has had 48 sexual partners. Assuming she decides to take a survey on sexual history, how do you think she’s going to answer? You think she’s going to sit there and think back all those years counting on her hands or making a tally? No, she’s going to say “15” because that feels about right. But… maybe I’d be wrong. …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 06:57 PM
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So who are the romance movies where the guy wins the girl over made for then?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 06:44 PM
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You don’t have to chase. No one is forcing you to do anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 05:59 PM
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My guess would be 5-10% of all women then.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 05:49 PM
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A bit more nuanced: Women love being won over Women hate it when someone tries to win them over and fails, especially if he continues trying after he's failed 1 or more times. Both of these can be true.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 05:48 PM
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And who decides what's an established romantic relationship (so group 1) in your original study The definition: 2 people who are exclusive sexually with one another for 3+ sexual encounters. I understand this is not a completely bulletproof definition (ok so what if one partner cheats multiple times?) but the study could have sub-groups for the outliers to clean it up if needed. There would still be a massive cluster of group 1. and what's a situationship? See the above definition. Not sure why …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 05:31 PM
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I think both falling birth rates and rising divorce rates are affected by changes in society - particular the over abundance of entertainment and stimulation.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 03:38 PM
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Yeah I still think there'd be a ton of overlap.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 03:37 PM
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The big factor from my assumption is numerous anecdotal examples of friends/acquaintances/random FB people having glow-up's before, during, or after separation from co-habitation. I also want to say that BOTH of these can be true: weight is mainly determined by your bodies regulation of hunger and fullness signals Taking care of your body is ALSO affected by life events such as breaking up, searching for, or maintaining a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 03:36 PM
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I'd love this one as well! The only issue I have is how we would define "happy". It gets really messy when you try to define it. Some people are baseline happier than others How much of "happy" is a result of relationship dynamics vs external factors like friends, job, weather, etc. When people don't stay together, how much of it is from "lack of happiness" vs "logistical decisions"? Most people in relationships aren't happy about a short to medium-sized list of things regarding their partner. H…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 03:30 PM
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I don't think there would be much of a noticeable effect of terminology ultimately affecting one's behavior. I think people who flippantly use terms like "Narcissist" don't really think about the implications much and just throw it around when it's convenient at that particular moment. They've already made up their mind about someone, they just add the term for dramatic effect or as a tool to enhance their slander strategy. I think anyone thoughtful enough to consider the real implications would…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 03:26 PM
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Wow this is thoughtful! Some potential problems with your study: "Practical attraction" is nearly impossible to accurately assess in this environment because the study is temporary. a large % of woman's attention would be given to trying to determine what kind of person a given man was in the outside world. Was he a CEO? Unemployed? Manual labor? Musician? Of course men could just lie, but "practical attraction" would be almost universally based on the woman's perception of who the man was befor…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 03:18 PM
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Not sure how different 2 and 3 are.. I'd imagine a lot of overlap there. This would be interesting though, as well as identifying the root cause for the beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 03:06 PM
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I'd imagine the results would be non-consistent among women who were, regardless of the percentage. "Of the women who find themselves curious/obsessed with degrading/violent sexual acts, 80% went on a journey of exploration for 3 months - 5 years resulting in roughly 1-10 encounters and lost interest, while 20% integrated their preferences into their lifestyle permanently."
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 03:04 PM
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I'd say the largest factors would all have to do with both partner's worldview: Attachment orientation Beliefs about relationships (e.g., “love is work” vs “love should be effortless”) Gender role beliefs Growth vs fixed mindset Trust assumptions about others Individualism vs collectivism Cynicism vs optimism about relationships Others that would be strong would include: Friend groups of both parties' world views Job stability Health/illness
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 03:00 PM
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I'd agree with this because logically, when you have tons of options, the natural instinct is to apply filters to those options so you can narrow down your choices. This isn't very useful in the dating world however because real life has a LOT of different groups with different sizes for women. Dating apps is just one of those groups. Other groups include: Her school/uni Her job Her individual class or department A club she's in A group she's in A bar she's in A vacation she's on A cruise ship s…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 02:55 PM
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"The point is that somehow, you don't see sick/injured people every day at work/school. And then you notice that 90% of people admitted to the hospital are sick/injured"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 02:51 PM
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Expecting women to give you a guide to how to win them over is your problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 02:49 PM
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Where are these examples of women's insecurity considered "cute"? These traits are absolutely called out as controlling in any of the spaces I've seen.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 02:47 PM
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OK so it wasn't just me who got that vibe from the post...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 02:40 PM
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Agreed. I think it's impossible to get rid of the selection bias in the study. "she's already not happy with you, what could be more appealing than going back to her college days?"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 02:38 PM
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My knee-jerk is correlation-causation fallacy: Partners who are dissatisfied in the relationship are more likely to want to return to school vs. become a parent, other things, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 02:37 PM
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OK I re-read your comment and I see what you're saying. I'd be super curious to see if I was right or not. I think I'm right (obviously) but who knows... I do want to reiterate that I don't think this is unique to women. This is not some "women lazy" gotcha underneath my assumptions. I'd imagine that men are also affected by relationships as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 02:34 PM
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So what would be an example of: compete to be the best in a niche the women you want are into Going to the gym = more fit = helps you with 98% of women Leveling up at you career = more freedom and status = helps you with 98% of women Practicing guitar = maybe more niche = Still doesn't hurt you or narrow your options, helps you with maybe 90% of women Getting good at DnD = pointless = no woman is going to want you more because of that, they will want you for other factors like those listed above…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 02:05 PM
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I don't think you're understanding what the purpose of a study is. A study would take a wide range of people and control for all these variables to see if relationship is a factor in how much weight a woman/man gains over time, during and after a pregnancy, etc. Yes, of course you will find that everyone overall is more healthy and fit in their 20s than 30s. But you would be able to see how relationships factor in. The results would look like (just spitballing): Among hetero couples, women who w…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 01:55 PM
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From the Oxford: situationship /ˌsiCHəˈwāSHənˌSHip/ noun a romantic or sexual relationship that is not considered to be formal or established. "I'm trying to turn our situationship into something more serious"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 01:45 PM
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NO WE NEED STUDIES so that I can still look at the results and hamster around how they actually fit my pre-existing worldview!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 04:17 AM
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I have a theory that woman's sexual desire for a man is tied to competition, so after she secures him, her desire naturally dies off and her efforts are biologically re-directed toward other things. I feel like there's probably research on this but I'm lazy. Someone drop a study please haha.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 04:16 AM
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Right, but specifically focusing on women who aged while in LTRs vs women who aged while single. Seeing if there's a correlation. And also men too, I doubt this is a women-only issue...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 04:14 AM
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Yeah that's a lot of advice out there. Mine would be to work hard and save up so you can get the car you dream of. 2 different kinds of advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 04:04 AM
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90% of the dudes on here I'm guessing have little to zero options so any improvement would be a huge win. This is like telling a broke dude dreaming about exotic cars to limit his taste to fewer, more exotic cars, and he might be able to afford one. Dudes who can afford exotic cars can typically choose which of them they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 03:57 AM
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You don't have to sacrifice one for the other. In fact they both enhance each other. More options = better options. Better options = more options.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 03:45 AM
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"I completely disagree.. all the men I'm attracted to have other options and it's quite frankly annoying... Why can't they narrow their options to just me???"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 03:43 AM
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Well. In my experience... More options = better options. For some reason, women prefer men that other women want. Call me crazy... Somethingsomethingsomething.. "pre-selection".. or some shit.. Idk.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 03:42 AM
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To most men, this advice translates roughly to: "The men I'm interested should stop exercising their options by pursuing other women and narrow their tastes down to just me" In reality, things like going to the gym, leveling up at your career, and getting better at your skills and talents will improve your desirability overall to everyone - men and women / business and pleasure. You don't have to abandon any part of yourself to make yourself more desirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 03:39 AM
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Yeah I'd imagine that in the cases of women who complain about this, it's because they shoot above their league, making sex easy and expecting commitment. The guy's stance is more of "I'm open to a relationship, but only if that person checks all the boxes" and the girl ends up not checking them all because.. the guy is out of her league. Did the guy 'lie'? That's up for debate. Was he required to also disclose "and you probably won't check them all but I'm curious to see if you do?" not sure. M…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 03:03 AM
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Yeah my theory is this changes in committed LTR's (something I don't have nearly as much experience with)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 02:51 AM
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Literally every woman's reaction every time I mention this. Yup...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 02:50 AM
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Usually when I mention this, I get the ol' "well, thats because you're inexperienced and don't know what you're doing, sweetie" comment. So thanks haha
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 02:20 AM
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That's interesting.. the few times women have requested they get off when hooking up, they've preferred I do it with my fingers or orally. But it's so rare I don't have good data on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 01:54 AM
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All it means is "I'm tired of men not worthy of hookup sex perceiving me as the kind of woman who would hook up with them" It has nothing to do with her actions, or what she will feel when she is with you. Hope that helps.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 01:47 AM
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I'd want to see if this is specifically gendered. The book "A Billion Wicked Thoughts" mentioned that google searches for "why will my boyfriend/husband not have sex with me" is JUST AS COMMON as "Why will my girlfriend/wife not have sex with me" Sounded crazy to me. Like is that really true??
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 01:25 AM
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My Hypothesis: "Women wishing men would open up more" really just means: "Women wishing the men they're attracted to men would fall for them more".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 01:24 AM
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Because the dude is too afraid of rejection to admit feelings at first. He needs her to be invested in a friendship so he has leverage when he drops the "I've always liked you" line.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 01:20 AM
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I'd agree with this. I think it's projection: "She's average at best, but I would sacrifice for her if she wanted a relationship, therefore most other guys are also willing to simp for her. must be nice... if only someone would feel that way about me... wahhhh women have it so much easier..."
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 01:18 AM
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ooohhh I like these! My predictions: Monogamy: I think you'd find a strong inverse correlation between "options" and "desire for monogamy" when it comes to men. I think most dudes have the "If I could just pull a solid 8 that is crazy for me, I'd never want to go through the risk of getting rejected ever again" attitude. Orgasm gap: I think you'd find this is just a small pocket of loud women online, or an over-accepted trope that comes up in women's circlejerk discussions over mimosas. In hooku…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 01:15 AM
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This would be an interesting one for sure! Counter-prediction: Women would 'initiate divorce' by ramping up disrespect and disengagement, not by actually seeking out legal action or paperwork. Yes, I know the statistic that says 80% women. I'd imagine it would come to a point and then once it was agreed upon that a divorce was imminent, the woman would 'have to' start the process. And I'm not sure who the 'initiator' would more often be.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 01:09 AM
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That's a shit ton of variables and specifics, I wonder what correlations you'd find.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 01:05 AM
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I think women gaslighting other women would be much more common than men gaslighting other men when discussing their relationships, but that's just my hypothesis. Not sure how the chips would fall in the male/female hetero dynamic amongst both parties in the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 01:04 AM
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I think you'd see strong proof that Briffaults Law is in fact, true. And I think the distribution would be about 50/50 male/female in hetero relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 01:03 AM
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Well then I guess if we ran the experiment, one of us would be surprised at the result. I'd put money on it that I was right if we ran it though.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 01:01 AM
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Too vague. the answer is obviously "both"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 12:46 AM
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This would interest me as well. I'd want to see specifically if having a committed live-in partner has a significant effect on weight gain (like the ol' "freshman 15") and if it was more pronounced for one gender vs. the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 12:46 AM
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I would LOVE to get real stats on hooking up, focusing on girls aged 18-35. I'd imagine there's roughly 4 groups: Group 1: never hooked up ever, only sex was in committed relationships. Group 2: only hooked up 5 times or less on special occasions (vacation, random happenstance, bachelorette party, situationship [ended quickly after 1 or 2 sexual encounters as soon as they realized he wasn't committing] / etc) Group 3: had "seasons" where they hooked up / willingly entered situationships (after a…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 12:43 AM
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The operative word I used was intentionally "expect" not "deserve" or "is owed". This is not a moral issue. Curious as to why you think “other women” act or seem to act this way. This is more or less what I was getting at, but at this point OP's comments are so bad that moralizing is honestly expected. so I guess you can answer if you want...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 04:29 PM
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“We should try to convince women to…” Eh, hitting the gym and grinding your financial stat is a million times easier, bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 04:17 PM
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Oh, I think we found what OPs true feelings on the matter are right here.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 04:11 PM
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I don’t think it matters, I think the disconnect you’re searching for is that the current vanilla LTR guy has gotten himself in her favor by indicating that he wouldn’t expect that from her, and now he’s butthurt she isn’t giving him what he wanted all along and it feels like a bait-and-switch. It’s not like she’s giving other dudes bathroom blowjobs while she’s dating Mr. Vanilla. She’s in a new season of sexuality now.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 04:09 PM
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So is the expectation of “porn sex” only acceptable if the guy has already gotten “porn sex” from another woman? Or is it acceptable if the woman has given “porn sex” to other men, but not the current guy in question? My personal opinion is definitely the former, as that seems to be how sexual response from women plays out in real life. Curious as to why you think “other women” act or seem to act this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 04:06 PM
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Right because of course it’s my responsibility to tell the girl who wants to try anal that she “really doesn’t, she’s just delusional” sorry bro I’m too much of a feminist to do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 03:31 PM
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(obligatory acknowledgment that I understand that NOT 100% of women have done this) When this happens it's typically because the woman has later decided she doesn't like the idea of threesomes, bathroom blowjobs, or random anal, so she decides "now I want to meet a guy who won't expect that from me" She goes on dates and the guy sets the frame that he likes and respects her. If she wanted more of the bathroom blowjobs, she could simply go do that, but she's not. She's with this guy who totally d…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 03:18 PM
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No, the #1 rule was you don't talk about the red pill. The #2 rule was also... you don't talk about the red pill. As far as what it had to say about "what women want" there was a phrase often used called "Acta non verba" (I might be spelling it wrong, it's been a while) And no, blaming women was part of the "Anger Phase". It was likened to complaining about the way the waves were crashing on the shore and that it made it difficult to swim. TRP was simply instructions on how to build a surfboard.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 01:52 PM
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Exactly. RP theory used to be a prescription. Now it’s entertainment.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 04:03 PM
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What happened is the sub got banned and bullshit podcasts took its place. I’m a product of the 2010s red pill sub and it’s a real shame. Remember the “owning your shit weekly” thread? Remember being called out as being in the “anger phase” when you whined? And told you’d get over it soon? Yeah, I remember.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 03:54 PM
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I'll see if I can put some of this into perspective: First, you have to meet the looks threshold just to be a prospect Maybe on dating apps, but men of all looks levels get into relationships. I think what you mean is you have to meet a looks threshold in order to be a player and have multiple situationships with multiple women at once. That I'd agree with. youre matching against 50–60 other guys who are crushing it on the app No woman is going to keep swiping to get that many matches and be abl…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 02:11 PM
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If all men suddenly became "good men", the women currently dating or in situationships with the top 20% of attractive men would be insanely lucky, and despised by the other 80% of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 01:48 PM
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Generally, kind people seek out fellow kind people, and these men end up with women similar to themselves So then it follows that one or more of these are true: There's fewer kind women than men Men aren't as "kind" as they claim to be Your statement is BS I will end with an inspirational quote from the feminist philosopher Taylor Swift, repeated by millions of women around the world "You look like bad news, I gotta have you"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 01:45 PM
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Yeah this was around 2015 to 2017, so the subReddit was quite active at that time and even had a weekly megathread on “owning your shit” It seemed a lot more like a “get your life together” message with a little bit of an “intellectual critique of feminism” rather than the whining about women that it is right now. They even acknowledged that whining about women was natural, and that it meant you were in the “anger phase”, but you would eventually get out of that and man up and become a responsib…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 01:50 AM
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A lot of the men who think they're looking for "unconditional love" as OP pointed out have, yes. I was exactly like this until I found TRP at the age of 29 and began making strategic changes to gain more control over my life instead of looking for a surrogate mother to manage me. That's a bit of a crass way to look at it.. I had (and still do) a lot of great characteristics and things going for me, but in relationship dynamics, I was definitely looking for someone to manage my emotions and to a …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 07:13 PM
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It is weird as hell when you think about it, but damn if it's not what the majority of men are truly looking for. And to be fair, people use all kinds of nonsense (drugs, alcohol, video games, porn, etc) to regulate their emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 06:28 PM
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LOL. You aren't a representation of all women. As for "unconditional love" I think when men think they want this, what they really want is a motherly-type love: someone who will help manage their life and emotions as well as give them amazing sex. This is typically a one-or-the-other type situation. So you might be on to something there. As for "being worshipped"... This is typical for hookup-type sex if a guy puts in work on himself (ask me how I know). The whole "porn creates unrealistic expec…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 06:07 PM
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You're close. I don't think it's as crass or simple as "women are looking for money from men". She was also upset because she goes on to say that he didn't text her back later. No one likes being rejected. My assessment (which is dangerous because after going on hundreds of first dates, the one thing I know for sure is that I have no idea what the hell is going on in the life of the woman sitting next to me) would be that she's lamenting that men in the past (when she was younger and less articu…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 02:18 PM
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"Single moms have more limited options than childless women" I think that's the starting point that both sides agree on, but RedPill just has to try as hard as they possibly can to twist the knife there. "some dudes are OK getting access to a more attractive woman than they're used to by volunteering to help with kids that aren't theirs instead of putting in extra work on their appearance or skillset" That's kind of my take. I can understand a RedPilled person saying that this is a "weak" or "lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 02:05 PM
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Looks like whether or not my comment made some struggling men feel a little better or not, it had the added benefit of triggering someone who thinks the reason why he can't get a date with a 4 is OBVIOUSLY because he's not "model tier".
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 01:50 PM
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TL;DR: It doesn't happen. and if it does, your limited experience doesn't count. and if they seemed happy, they weren't. And if they were, they can't possibly be because the stepdad is a looser. And if they really are happy, they won't be for long because they'll miss the dude who pumped and dumped them. Also, they guy is "willingly cheating himself" Hope that helps.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 01:05 PM
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And yet somehow, men still find women to date, or all the horrible things you mentioned.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 07:31 PM
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Inability to read social cues
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 02:43 PM
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Wow, 90% is higher than I expected. I get most of my hookups from dating apps and i'd say only about half the time alcohol is involved. When it is, it's typically one drink each. If we're talking about parties or clubs then yeah, people are drinking anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 12:24 PM
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Trying to assign blame is the wrong angle. You can make a case for it being society, biology, media, feminism, mercury retrograde, whatever Looking for blame is the easy way out. There are steps you can take to position yourself to get better results, but they require work.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 07:37 PM
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That's my BigTodlerEnergy
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 02:44 AM
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Both of the things that you mentioned were changed with legislation. Are you proposing legislation forcing women to make different choices about their dating preferences? Let me know what kind of bill you’re proposing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 07:39 PM
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There really isn't anyone whom I've gotten to know very well who wasn't unhinged-level dysfunctional in one area of their life. This is one of those "the only normal people are the ones you don't know" things.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 05:06 PM
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Stable women find stable men and remove themselves from the dating pool early.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 05:05 PM
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The only place you're wrong is if you're wanting something to change here. I think you've accurately described the challenge that men have in dating if they are interested in pursuing a woman who isn't well below their "league" This paradox BTW applies to most of life. If you want something, you have to put in the effort to figure out how to get it, and then become the kind of person that attracts it. Think about: "entry level" jobs that want experience Sales jobs promising high commissions, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 05:04 PM
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I think in most cases you’re right. As to “why” it’s convenient is a real can of worms. I’ve got lots of stories like yours and I’ve just learned to let it go and not overthink it. My favorite was this Date 1: walk in a park, get into some great conversations about our hopes and dreams, we kiss about 30min into the walk. I ask her to dinner after and we immediately go to a sit down restaurant. Great convo continues. We return to the park and walk some more in the moonlight. Make out a few times.…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 04:18 PM
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Well, I may be a toddler, but my mommy taught me the difference between “most” and “all”… ignoring the fact that the body says “most” and not “all” multiple times: Orion Tariban recently dropped a video calling out an unspoken lie that “dating advice tells you you can have any relationship with any person” and names “get your ex back” grifters and others. This is dating advice and I think it’s useful to call out the BS And Orin does have books, courses, and other streams of income. He’s a busine…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 04:04 PM
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Title “men’s dating advice to men is disingenuous” Surely the body will contain an example, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 03:33 PM
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It blows my mind that men are disagreeing with her. You can't get a blowjob if the woman isn't worshipping your body to some degree. I for one, enjoy blowjobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 04:06 PM
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Nah. We just wish the more reasonable feminists would put a leash on the radical ones. That's not what you want. You want any women that you are interacting with to have a shift in attitude to give you special treatment, particularly in respect to other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 04:04 PM
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Then… hot take: IRL they do. Get off TikTok
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 04:02 PM
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It's kind of hard to perform oral sex on either anatomy without having a sense of reverence, worship, and awe of the recipient's body. You're correct, and men want this because they either see other men get it, or perceive that other men get it. I'll push back slightly on the "don't want to pursue talents or skills" argument because that was a huge part of my RedPill arc, but at the end of the day, almost half of the sex I get is on the first date and most women that have sex with me worship me.…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 03:51 PM
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I'm all for research on ways to effectively reduce violence and abuse, but these kinds of posts always annoy me. Let's say you prove 100% without a shadow of a doubt that women are more abusive than men, and all of the internet agrees with you. Then what? What are you looking for? A group apology? Social reform? Policy change? Tinder to apologize and unban you? Like, what?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 02:36 PM
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You put yourself in a logic loop when you say "heard mentality" and "in their own interest" because heard mentality exists because it is in their own interest. You also fail to point out how this differs from men's behavior. Just assuming it does isn't good enough. Men often act exactly the same way. Turns out heard mentality is a human condition.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 04:54 PM
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Did you look up the case? Or are you just saying “that can’t possibly be true because it’s not consistent with my worldview?”
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 02:08 PM
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Affirmative action didn't even work that way. Oh it absolutely does. Look up: Brigida vs. The US DOT In Layman's terms, Air Traffic Controllers have to take specific college classes to educate and qualify them for the position. In 2014, the FAA added a "Biographical Questionnaire" to the application, basically introducing questions like "Are you male or female"? and "What is your race/ethnicity"? They completely disregarded qualifications and hired people of color "off the streets" (yes that's t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 01:19 PM
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Gonna disagree cuz when a woman says merry Christmas you can't be sure she actually means it. If the dude is over 6 foot tall is it really a merry Christmas or some subtle sexual cue? Also when guys say merry Christmas there being simps they should just be honest that they want the girl. Girls who say they don't want Christmas sex are lying Also dudes who say they love Christmas cookies are lying. Dudes like being shredded and cookies kill the gainz.. OK got my arguing done for the day. Merry Ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 12:24 PM
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Oh of course and then you've got "just one time at a party doesn't count" We hooked up a few times but he turned out to be weird so he doesn't count He had no idea how to make me cum so he doesn't count He was too small for it to count He was too big it didn't go all the way in, doesn't count He didn't cum inside me so it doesn't count
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 12:13 PM
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r/AskWomen? This isn't really a pill question...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 01:26 AM
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I think you underestimate the mind's ability to map a negative experience on to EVERY person that fits the bill of a person who gave you a negative experience. Girl has a bad experience with a perfectly fit (not too roids) kind of dude who is an asshole and abusive - she could very well find a skinny dude or a teddy bear dude who she doesn't feel reminded of the ex around, fall for him, love him, stay loyal.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 11:49 PM
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Counterpoint: Is your favorite ice cream more special if you haven't tried any other flavors? Counterpoint to that: Better hope you're the favorite overall flavor and not the favorite available at that moment.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 11:44 PM
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Reasons for wanting a virgin: You have a religious exemption/BFOQ for preferring to marry a virgin, you are a virgin, and you're totally going to keep yourselves until married to consumate. The idea that some other dude stuck his dick in there and she liked it isn't pleasant. The idea that no one else besides me met the standard for being allowed to have her in that way makes me feel special and strokes my ego. I don't have to worry she will compare me to someone who was bigger/more experienced …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 11:41 PM
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From a guy, Here's what I think (it's often small combinations of these factors): The girl realizes her attractiveness is evaporating - He may now be her best option. Other options the girl had or thought she had are no longer available. The girl notices other women find him attractive The girl discovers something new about his status, financial position, friend network, or unique talent set. The girl discovers that some initial judgement she made about him was inaccurate (this is rare but I'm s…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 07:00 PM
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So then you can only really like one person? I don’t really like any of my friends because they’re not my only friend? I don’t really like pizza because I also like steak? I don’t really like rock music because I also listen to hip hop? This is such a weird take bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 04:29 PM
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Where did I say looks don’t matter for a guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 09:28 PM
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I don’t disagree that looks matter. There’s always a percentage of people that think “personality matters more than looks” = “he’s obviously saying looks don’t matter at all”. Men tend to prefer women in their mid 20s as a whole. That’s because mid 20s is peak physical attractiveness for women. Women however, tend to prefer men slightly older than them due to personality, not looks. The male heart throb is almost always in his mid 20s as well, indicating that mid 20s is peak attractiveness for b…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 07:22 PM
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I’ve seen many anecdotal examples of the best looking guy not getting any at the bar while an average dude with confidence is taking a pretty girl home. I know that’s anecdotal, but you seem to have mentioned that doesn’t happen
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 03:07 AM
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A woman who is not physically attractive can absolutely be loved, partnered, and desired, but her social skills, humor, or income do not tend to override physical attraction to the same degree as they do for a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 02:04 AM
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This supports the claim (which I agree with) that looks are important for men. That's not my argument though. You need to show that looks are more important than personality (admittedly hard to do.. my points aren't the best either, but come up with something to counter them).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 02:00 AM
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The best evidence is honestly the average or below average dude with the hot girlfriend due to his humor/money/talents. I can't think of anything better, which is partly why I decided to see if someone could successfully prove me wrong. EDIT: I would also add the male-skewed profession of sales (which is basically dealing with lots of rejection and keeping your cool) as another example of how men learn to compensate for their lack of looks. Yes, there are women in sales, but it's mostly men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 01:54 AM
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Yeah hopefully it stays up.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 01:51 AM
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Your first 2 points are invalid because you've assigned the male value system of "sex is the goal" to women. Women's value system is far different. This is why they "hate dating apps" despite drowning in matches. (also... See my point about men approaching.) Your final 2 points are valid, but I never said looks don't matter for men. I just said they matter MORE for women. so your point needs to be in comparison to women. I agree that the better looking anyone is, the better experience their life…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 01:51 AM
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Yeah I am confused why people are interpreting that looks aren't important for men. I never said or implied that. My point is in comparison across genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 01:29 AM
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Tl;Dr: social skills are more important for men to develop than women. Looks are more important for women to have than men. Not sure if this is much of a debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 09:25 PM
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Guys I got this! I can fix her!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 09:10 PM
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Yeah this “implied conclusion” is the basis of a lot of whiny guy posts on here. I think OP really just means that women should “realize he’s actually a good choice” but the logic just really points to “women should make better choices and I know what those better choices are, not women.”
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 02:31 PM
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It means that I accept and reject points from both the red and blue pills. Biggest red pill things I accept: Women often go through phases where they will fuck you and then pull up the DMs of the dude who thinks he has a chance and has been texting her non stop so she can laugh about him with you. Women often go through phases where they would rather share a very desirable man than have a looser all to themselves. Women will almost always add additional rules and prerequisites for sex if the man…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 02:07 PM
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This looks like a dude that would have beautiful women all over him if he could sing or play guitar.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 02:04 AM
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Do you actually believe that current women who are successful on " social media " and are called attractive are all very attractive? 100% Yes. Physical attraction in women is a universal indicator of popularity on social media should the woman choose to put her body on display. Most of the men on here think dating is harder for men, but not me. I see unique challenges for both genders and I enjoy the skillset that I've perfected and the benefits it gets me in the dating/hookup world as a guy. Mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 01:59 AM
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Yeah that's a fair critique. I can see tech outpacing legislation and protections to "rights to your own essence". Although: It's still a general answer to OP's question as to where the future is headed (I think Futurama probably illustrated it better than I did though) It's also weird that OF is so profitable given the fact that content can be duplicated and distributed online for free now and people (simp guys) still choose to pay for OF. Perhaps the tech will lock itself to a platform(s) like…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 11:57 PM
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The twins ( a boy & a girl ) almost look identical beside hair length Guys who look effeminate typically don't do well with dating most women. She become " the popular girl " and had the craziest dating life since then ( rich guys , young local models , popular guys...) ... the sister got more popular and started getting invited to high-level social events while also dating a rich simp that worshipped the ground she waked on (the guy started stocking money in her account so she can pay her " col…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 11:49 PM
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This is a frame thing. If you keep the interactions sexual-based from the beginning, you won't get this behavior because she knows that if you "walk her home from the party" for example, you're going to have sex when you get to her place.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 11:38 PM
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Fellas how many times have you been texting a chick for a day or 2 and she "suddenly" has a bill that she needs paid I have literally never had this happen and I've talked to a lot of girls...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 11:33 PM
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Yeah I really have no comment on what other people are “allowed to feel” or not allowed to feel, my comment is more on what I’ve observed and the mechanics behind people’s decisions. Good point though.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 09:21 PM
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Yeah I’d just add that in the cases where the complaint is legit, the guy did or said things to mislead the girl that he was truly interested in something longer term rather than a few nights of fun. Although I’d also add that this complaint often gets voiced even if the guy didn’t mislead. And I’d also add the 9/10 times if the dude tries to mislead she still won’t sleep with him. And I’d also add that if the dude did successfully mislead, 9/10 times he took unnecessary extra steps.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 08:19 PM
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Like anything, it’s gradual. I think OF is a good indicator of where and how it’s going. Next step will be AI algorithms that capture and emulate the personality of your favorite OF model. Soon there will be private video chat with a replica of her that looks and acts just like her. Even when humanoid robots do become a thing, I think most men will choose a robot that is customizable to a specific real girl, and women will be able to sell the rights to their “essence” to have themselves replicat…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 07:31 PM
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98% of bullshit debates on here are one (or both) sides’ inability to understand nuance.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 05:29 PM
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Depends on how attractive the woman he’s dating is.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 04:50 AM
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Trolley problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 04:19 PM
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I can see how any rational person would think: “She had a lot to choose from and chose HIM???” and equate that particular woman as being more shallow than men in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 02:56 PM
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This is definitely a thing, but only if the date is at a high-end restaurant and social media content is created out of it. If not, relax. It's a date.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 01:38 AM
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Haha exactly!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 08:45 PM
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This is a trolley problem. You won’t get any useful data here by looking at the answers.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 08:21 PM
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Shhh don’t say the quiet part out loud
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 06:59 PM
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Exactly that’s a really good way of wording the objection
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 06:59 PM
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To women, romance (or casual sex for that matter) isn’t authentic unless it “just happens”. The idea of a man strategizing or acting with intent to date or meet women is a problem because it removes the authentic experience of something that was “just meant to be” because it “just happened”. In addition, passport bros often spew the usual manosphere bullshit that western women are “for the streets” so what do you expect western women to think of them?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 05:25 PM
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That’s really wild.. how in the world does insurance allow any Greek life organization to “host a party with alcohol” when the majority of college aged students are under 21? Like I’m surprised they even allow it for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 08:48 PM
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Ok but I can just come back and say “not it’s not” - see previous explanation where I laid it out. How about you tell me what your definition is and why it’s better? Otherwise we’re just “YEAH IT IS” / “NO ITS NOT”
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 04:17 PM
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Typically when you argue with someone, you need to state your case. I posted a whole ass comment on my analysis of red, blue, and purple. Unless you come back with a structured argument, we're just gonna play the 2nd grade game of "ITS NOT" / "YEA IT IS" back and forth. I only play that game when it's with a girl in a cute dress, sorry man.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 03:02 PM
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I agree. It’s still not red pill though.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 02:48 PM
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Age gap is creepy, except when it's not. Women aren't static. Some days they're on dating apps, some days they're not. Some days they feel ugly, other days they want to be sexual. Some days they want a good guy their age to build a stable relationship with, other days they want a hookup with a mysterious man 10 years older who drives a cool car. Yeah I know, not the girls on this sub. but other girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 08:36 PM
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SEX: Blue pill: Sex must be earned on the individual level with a woman by performing the correct way Red Pill: Sex must be earned by becoming the kind of man that all women get tingles for Purple Pill: Sex can more or less be earned either way, but is best when not set as the main goal to be earned. self improvement is done for the self, not the approval of others - even if that approval feels as good as getting your dick sucked. Relationships: Blue Pill: You will earn unconditional love from a…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 08:27 PM
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This is more true when you're talking about the city that you're in (or that the university is in). Dating apps do a good job at normalizing this. A predominantly female uni will simply just be much better for the late 20s early 30s dudes in that area NOT attending the uni. Also, Instagram normalizes for pretty much the entire planet now if the woman is exceptionally attractive and has a public facing profile.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 08:07 PM
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Question: What is the significant distinction between these 2 reasons? Jealous of other dudes vs Insecure? They seem basically the same to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 08:04 PM
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if they are a bonus that means they’re replaceable. Even if they do realize this, I'm not sure they care. Attention/interest from the few guys that get even remotely near the "finish line" Is massive validation and proof to other women that the women getting attention are special.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 02:00 PM
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This. The further you are from the "finish line" the less you can tell the difference. The women waiting at the finish line are getting guys who definitely are aiming for the "finish line". The girls are just an added bonus.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 01:38 PM
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Sounds like you literally are given the answer to why you're single, but it's still everyone else's fault, eh? YES, the rules are different for women. This sub isn't responsible for that. Hell, WOMEN aren't even responsible for that. Just like us as men aren't responsible for liking boobs and butts, women just happen to like dudes who have social skills. *throws hands up and shrugs* You can construct all the arguments you want as to why that's not "fair" but women are never going to one day be l…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 01:34 PM
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The alternative is always the same: Society as a whole should cater to their special pleading. It's very telling why they can't make friends or attract women. It's obviously everyone else's fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 01:29 PM
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Yeah but that delta in level of "care" is just due to perceived hopes of sex. It would be like if you as a dude got rich and women started caring about you but only because they were hoping you'd write them checks for a few thousand dollars here and there. I'm not saying it's not nothing, i mean shit I'd think it was amazing if that happened to me but if it's all you're used to it's not amazing.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 02:35 PM
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I don’t think so, I think it’s because no one acknowledges this at the individual level. “Ok so what he’s an average guy, but honestly dating wouldn’t be so bad for him if he would just…” Is the average attitude people have about others. No one cares.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 02:19 PM
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Exactly. you have no answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 12:55 AM
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How would they “produce a good product”?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 09:39 PM
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The women already weren't interested in the kind of men that are enticed by TRP. A small percentage of those men (like myself) may improve themselves and become desirable. Most guys = no change, just something for them to spin their wheels and post about online.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 09:25 PM
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Literally nothing. Also, I don't think people's core frustrations come from the other gender "not understanding" something about them. People think that if the other gender "understood" something better, it would lead to a change in behavior that produces a more favorable outcome in x situations. There's typically a set of steps that can get someone more desirable outcomes in almost any situation that are a less complicated way to arrive at the desired outcome than trying to "convince" or "help …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 09:07 PM
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You’re correct but nothing on this sub is talked about IRL though.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 05:18 PM
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It’s less a percent and the algorithm doesn’t have to worry about dormant male accounts because the non-Dormant ones will provide 100-1000 right swipes on a new female account within a few hours. Men are just swiping more so the algorithm takes advantage of the dormant female accounts to hide the impression that there just aren’t many women active on the app in that area.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 07:22 PM
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Yes, AM was the epitome of male delusion. What woman would ever feel the need to create an account to have an affair? This was like some genius who actually managed to sell the “hot local singles in your area” trope and had it work. Guarantee you the 1000 female accounts were actually men experimenting or sex workers.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 04:54 PM
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This is a great example of both sides (not calling out OP, this debate is definitely a thing and won’t die) not being able to grasp nuance. Like yeah, realistically we’re the safest we’ve ever been as a society today, most countries have semi-decent police forces, and public spaces are just for the most part safe for women and children. However, men are in general taller and stronger than women so there’s still a sense of security one would get being with a strong, tall, competent man. Both of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 04:51 PM
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This might more be a symptom of there being effectively 10-50 times more men on dating apps than women. DISCLAIMER: If you are a woman reading this, I am not talking about YOU. I am talking about OTHER WOMEN. I understand the stats say that there's 3x more men, but that's not the full picture. Most of the male profiles are real and have men behind them swiping more or less regularly. However, of the 25% of profiles that are registered as female: A large percent are empty with an instagram handle…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 01:28 AM
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Chat wrote point 2 and the 4 dots below but I changed some of the wording and removed the en dashes. I wrote the rest.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 03:49 AM
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There is no “one deciding factor” unless you want to just cheat the answer and say “how she feels” Looks are definitely A factor, but I don’t think that was up for debate.. Other factors include, but aren’t limited to: How much she knows of other women wanting the man Soacial status Setting (is she on vacation?) Circumstances (is she fresh out of a breakup?) Unique talents and abilities (is he an athlete or musician at any level?) Humor Height Money Career title (see: social status) “type” (is s…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 08:59 PM
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