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So you say.
/r/MensRights25/06/17 11:03 PM
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There is no moral high ground in war. As far as a social conflict such as vs feminism and gynocentricity is concerned, if the extremists are extremist then they are not "us", their acts are not ours in straight line accusations. That doesn't mean they cannot be usefully employed to assist our goals.
/r/MensRights25/06/17 11:01 PM
10

We need men to develop in-group bias for men.
/r/MensRights25/06/17 10:56 PM
31

MGTOW are not women haters, neither are puas. If we have a problem it is the "purethought" attitudes such as yours. We will be labelled no mater what we do, it is part of discrediting the MRM. Focus on what you believe not on what you are told to believe.
/r/MensRights25/06/17 10:55 PM
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Employing the radicals for targetted goals would be far better. There are no bonus points for playing nice.
/r/MensRights25/06/17 10:53 PM
1

You separate individual actor (feminist) from an ideology (feminism) then lump all MGTOW together. I am MGTOW because women cannot be trusted under the current AVO, paternity, child support and divorce laws in my country. I actually require women to behave with equality, and stop damselling when it suits them. I am most certainly not a feminist.
/r/MensRights25/06/17 10:18 PM
1

He is innocent until, and only if, he is PROVEN guilty. Witchhunts are for the feminists.
/r/MensRights20/06/17 02:05 PM
2

Will she split the bill?
/r/MensRights20/06/17 01:38 PM
17

Best option it's simply don't marry. FTFY
/r/MensRights20/06/17 01:27 PM
5

Except they lied about a woman, then it suddenly became important that they lied.
/r/MensRights30/05/17 02:17 AM
1

I give you fire alarms.
/r/MensRights30/05/17 12:18 AM
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Depending on how bad the movie is, it might be a violation of good taste to encourage men to pay to see it. If WW is such a female empowerment icon, the women can pay for their dates.
/r/MensRights30/05/17 12:00 AM
2

Definitely lawyer up. Definitely do not sign anything or agree to anything even verbally, in case it is recorded by the woman. Inform her clearly that a DNA test will be demanded through the courts if necessary upon the birth of the child and if it is not his then no support. He could fall back on a Hail Mary but it depends upon whether he is able to carry it off. It takes a certain commitment to lying that he might not feel comfortable with. On a reassuring front, 10-20% of pregnancies end in m…
/r/MensRights29/05/17 11:55 PM
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I think it is a case of envy. Women might be able to participate in the military now, with permitted deployment varying by country, but even with the brave example of some women, as a total the contribution of those few women cannot begin to measure up to the volume of male sacrifice in military matters. There are and were very courageous and very successful women in wartime but not in the same quantity as men. It is a social recognition and respect women cannot yet compete with; the result is f…
/r/MensRights29/05/17 11:11 PM
1

The real complaint I see is that the MRM is using media in a manner similar to the feminists and now the feminists are crying foul. Even the recent changes at Urban Dictionary show the MRM has organised groups capable of a change; perhaps a small one today but I believe it is just a sign of bigger things to come.
/r/MensRights29/05/17 10:58 PM
8

The feminists would pull the fire alarms and escape any consequences.
/r/MensRights28/05/17 11:03 PM
1

If what Ms Hayek says is true, that would lead to the conclusion that women are committing violence against women since it is their choices that affect the earnings gap.
/r/MensRights28/05/17 01:03 PM
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It is a fantasy.
/r/MensRights28/05/17 10:30 AM
1

Never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake, its rude.
/r/MensRights27/05/17 10:36 PM
1

I have had men and woman as bosses (currently my boss is a woman) and their gender is meaningless to me. Far more important is their skill at being a boss. I have had superb bosses, mediocre bosses and incompetent bosses, their gender did not affect their ability to do their job.
/r/MensRights27/05/17 03:42 AM
1

I see an opportunity here, one that would need careful crafting and a commitment to a specific outcome, yet an opportunity nonetheless. What if men formed an honour guard, cheered the sexist women as they queued for their exclusive, women's only event. No threats, no violence, no harassment, no fire alarms. Just a celebration of women showing their true colours in public in an undeniable display of what they truly want. I think making the truth obvious and in the open would serve us well. Don't …
/r/MensRights27/05/17 03:34 AM
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I see something more insidious than cowardice, it is deliberate anti-male misinformation. That women have the freedom to be cowards is a given, that the minds and media behind feminism might have missed this opportunity for deliberate misandry is naive.
/r/MensRights27/05/17 03:27 AM
1

That is a different issue. Women in the OotES can be whatever the highest leaders can be in their own branch (I don't know the designation). So, woman can be Freemasons, just not the same Freemasons as men. As I understand it, men may not join the OotES, not hold position in it.
/r/MensRights27/05/17 03:11 AM
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I would call them a man. Alpha and beta and all the other Greek letters used to refer to men are only an attempt to shame men into behaving in the user's desired manner. Pigeonholing people is a lazy attempt to control the narrative.
/r/MensRights26/05/17 12:20 AM
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The success of the women who have empathy for men is an indictment on the lack of social worthiness of men. If a woman presents men's rights issues it is seen as legitimate, when men do so it is dismissed.
/r/MensRights26/05/17 12:11 AM
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Men have issues that are due to the perceptions of men in society, men's legal status, every day sexism against men, the hateful family courts and men's disposability. These issues are specific to men and no women's group will genuinely care about them. If anything, the larger feminist groups actively work to make the situations worse for men. Hence, Mensrights.
/r/MensRights26/05/17 12:04 AM
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When I step back and consider the strategy, I have to admire their effective and ruthless pursuit of their ideology. The west hides behind its drones, the terrorists put their own bodies on the line. If only this sort of dedication could be put towards something worthwhile. I am mindful that if they targetted a feminist convention the collective world would lose its mind.
/r/MensRights25/05/17 11:52 PM
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Depending on your jurisdiction, forced to penetrate is treated as sexual assault, and so is rape. The only real difference is the emotional baggage that comes with the word "rape". Sexual assault isn't as punchy as a news headline.
/r/MensRights25/05/17 11:38 PM
1

Freemasonry already has a women's branch, the Order of the Eastern Star (iirc).
/r/MensRights25/05/17 11:36 PM
1

When I talk to other men about marriage, I frame it as an investment contract. Imagine if a business contract had the same conditions as marriage and divorce; would you sign such an agreement?
/r/MensRights25/05/17 11:28 PM
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If this had been a men-only session the batshit crazy feminists would be forming a hostile picket line in front of the doors and then pulling the fire alarm every ten minutes.
/r/MensRights25/05/17 11:16 PM
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What isn't included is the complaints women make when men do participate in household chores. Men in relationships soon learn women like to complain, it either drives the man away or they get used to it and it just becomes background noise.
/r/MensRights25/05/17 11:05 PM
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Accusations of childishness when men raise issues concerning sexism is a shaming tactic, meant to close down debate. A lot of sexism towards men shrivels when exposed to scrutiny and thus the perpetrators try to conceal it or deflect attention away from it.
/r/MensRights25/05/17 10:57 PM
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If Stealthing performed by men is to be considered rape, then women who steal sperm from used condoms, puncture condoms before use,or lie about being on the contraceptive pill in a bid to have an oops pregnancy are also guilty of rape.
/r/MensRights23/05/17 10:34 AM
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"It’s the women who respect men, who prioritize marriage and motherhood, and who don’t adhere to a bogus notion of equality that find good men. When enough of these women come out of the woodwork, so too will enough good men." Ms Venker misses the point; as more men realise the financially foolish act that getting married is for men, fewer men will care what women want irrespective of age. it is true some men do want children, but having your ex block access and demand financial support is not "…
/r/MensRights23/05/17 09:08 AM
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I think the miserly attention paid to suicide of men and boys is a distraction; it is to make it look like gynocentric government and the society it enables cares about the male of the human species. I think it would be far more productive to look at why boys and men kill themselves and address the root causes. Surely no cause would mean no suicide due to the removed cause.
/r/MensRights23/05/17 08:49 AM
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The word bitter is used to dismiss the real complaints some men have regarding their ill-treatment at the hands of a gynocentric society; it is a way of censoring genuine debate. It is a form of gaslighting.
/r/MensRights11/05/17 01:55 PM
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I don't advocate conversion. I provide men what information I have, or point them towards sites that have the information they ask for, and let the chips fall where they may. I believe most men can be rational and logical thinkers, they might be distracted by personal bias, currehnt circumstances or a desire for the reality of things to be different but most men find their own answer in response to the gender divide. When I look at the long game, at some point every man will face the hatred and …
/r/MensRights27/04/17 02:09 AM
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I do not agree it is the responsibility of men to prevent violence against women. Men are responsible for protecting themselves and, with equality, woman are responsible for protecting themselves. Only my loved ones, of either sex, have call upon me risking myself for their safety. Strangers, especially women strangers, are simply not my responsibility; the risk outweighs any perceived obligation.
/r/MensRights26/04/17 12:44 AM
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Somewhere men need to be able to vent their anger and frustration without the suffocating blanket of feminist censorship. I believe the strength of the MRM is not blind unity, but open sharing of ideas even disagreeing over those ideas. I do not believe applying feminist silencing tactics to the MRM will increase our support base.
/r/MensRights26/04/17 12:31 AM
1

I think the assumption that modern marriage is a healthy relationship needs to be questioned.
/r/MensRights13/04/17 11:30 AM
1

As long as the woman notifies the purported father in the first trimester, otherwise she is assuming responsibility.
/r/MensRights13/04/17 11:23 AM
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I think the question should be "Do Millennial Men want Wives".
/r/MensRights04/04/17 11:44 AM
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Feminists don't want equal rights, that would place too many responsibilities on their fragile shoulders.
/r/MensRights02/04/17 09:54 PM
1

Some rape definitions specifically address penetration as a key aspect; otherwise it is sexual assault, not rape. results vary by jurisdiction.
/r/MensRights02/04/17 03:44 PM
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Jesuit
/r/MensRights02/04/17 03:37 PM
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For some people, when the world seems uncertain having an unassailable answer to a question is reassuring. It is one of the reasons we still have significant support for religions in the developed world.
/r/MensRights02/04/17 02:28 PM
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Men don't owe women a career, they owe themselves a career (if they want one). Anyone else is a competitor, regardless of genitalia.
/r/MensRights01/04/17 08:29 PM
2

Not protecting women socially does not translate to not protecting a nation state against invasion. Unless disgruntled women are going to assist a hostile nation in an invasion.
/r/MensRights26/03/17 05:46 PM
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Then we need a third type of society.
/r/MensRights25/03/17 10:29 PM
1

Touché.
/r/MensRights25/03/17 04:13 PM
2

It seems to place a value on men, that they are "less" somehow if they have a cheating partner. Really the blame lies squarely with the cheater.
/r/MensRights25/03/17 04:05 PM
1

Just because something is given a positive sounding name doesn't make it true. Progressives seem regressive to me, though I realise progressive ideas vary from country to country.
/r/MensRights25/03/17 04:03 PM
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Men can choose whether they protect women, I am surprised my retraining has been relatively easy, I had thought it would be harder.
/r/MensRights25/03/17 04:01 PM
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Lashing seems to make people sit up and pay attention, recall the MSM panic over a woman getting caned, even though right beside was a man getting caned. Won't someone think of the wimminz? /s
/r/MensRights25/03/17 03:55 PM
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Do not, under any circumstances, install Wife 1,0, you'll never get it to uninstall properly.
/r/MensRights25/03/17 03:51 PM
4

I see it as the current trend of committing crimes until they are legalised: abortion, Uber (in Australia at least), perjury in Family Court (Australia again). I am sure there are more examples.
/r/MensRights25/03/17 03:44 PM
2

Say no to tone policing. The time for playing nice is well and truly past.
/r/MensRights25/03/17 03:13 PM
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It maximises the community reaction and hurt. Casting black men as the villains of her batshit crazy fantasy helps bring the racist idiots out of the closet with the meme of "black men raping white woman"; it makes the crime seem serious to more people and stirs up a divide between black and non-black people. I am disgusted her penalty is so low even though it is apparently the maximum she can receive.
/r/MensRights25/03/17 03:09 PM
1

From the ABS: For people of voting age: Men aged 18+ : 9,086,119 Women aged 18+: 9,355,034 Ratio: 97 men per 100 women of voting age The Australian Electoral Commission states on its website 95.2% of eligible voters are enrolled to vote. I cannot find a breakdown by sex. Edit: formatting
/r/MensRights25/03/17 04:18 AM
2

Agreed. Bringing them to justice though is harder.
/r/MensRights25/03/17 03:25 AM
2

From the Australian Electoral Commission website: If you are serving a full-time prison sentence of less than three years you can vote in federal elections. If your sentence is three years or longer, you can remain on the roll but you are not entitled to vote until you are released from prison. Laws governing whether you can vote in state elections while in prison vary from state to state. In my state you cannot vote when serving prison time. As far as I can tell once a prisoner is released thei…
/r/MensRights25/03/17 03:25 AM
3

What do you do when your doctor is the one who abused you? They close ranks faster than politicians protecting their salary.
/r/MensRights23/03/17 01:21 PM
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In Australia, all adults are required to attend a polling station when federal or state elections are held; this is commonly mistaken for being required to vote, but the votes are confidential so no-one knows if your vote is informal or not. The only imbalance in gender voting would be due to gender selection, due to both natural and mother causes.
/r/MensRights23/03/17 01:19 PM
6

As the primary caregivers, women won't be refused bail becasue they have to care for their children. Men, on the other hand, are viewed as unnecessary to child rearing.
/r/MensRights23/03/17 01:16 PM
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Yes, you do. Women simply cannot conceptualise what it means to be a man.
/r/MensRights23/03/17 01:11 PM
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Feminism is the patriarchy; they projected their own desires upon their invented enemy.
/r/MensRights23/03/17 01:10 PM
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Yes, the bills are worded gender neutral; they are applied in a sexist manner.
/r/MensRights23/03/17 09:10 AM
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"Bitter" seems to be the phrase used to diminish men's experiences; they cannot deny the effects so they belittle them.
/r/MensRights23/03/17 06:27 AM
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What the article conceals, is it applies only to men as perpetrators.
/r/MensRights23/03/17 06:16 AM
2

it is about choice as well as it is about unnecessary risk. As a child there are a lot of things that I got no choice over, but those decisions were made with my welfare in mind and my parents needed to make those choices. I had other surgery as a child, life saving surgery in one case, no complaints about that. I needed an adult to decide that for me and I am glad those decisions were made by my parents. For me MGM is about the unnecessary risk that was taken with my well being. However, the re…
/r/MensRights23/03/17 06:12 AM
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I agree with your premise but third parties do intervene and moralise and lecture. The adults don't stay out of bullying. This leads me to ask who does the suspension for fighting actually serve? It appears only the adults, to make them feel as if they are doing something.
/r/MensRights23/03/17 05:59 AM
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I spoke with my parents about my circumcision and conveyed some of the current information. They had no idea the risk they took when they agreed to let the doctor perform an unnecessary operation on me. I forgave them, they are otherwise very fine parents and they simply didn't know better. In hindsight, they said they would not have agreed with the doctor if they knew then what they know today. I was gentle with them but I could see their pain for an ill-thought decision they had made that harm…
/r/MensRights21/03/17 06:33 PM
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There are also Intactivists who are circumcised; some use various methods to do what can be done to restore the protective sheath over the glans. I understand it can be quite successful. Edit: typo
/r/MensRights21/03/17 06:19 PM
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I was circumcised and never had any ill-will about it. You are fortunate: * some boys have extensive damage to their penis because of botched circumcision * some infant boys die due to complications from circumcision; the COD is not listed as that though, they die of causes linked to excessive bleeding or infection from having an open wound in a nappy. * you have reduced sensitivity compared to intact boys and men; you won't notice because you've never recalled a time when you were intact and se…
/r/MensRights21/03/17 06:17 PM
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This is a good example of why feminism isn't even about women but a group of control freaks.
/r/MensRights21/03/17 06:01 PM
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It has been legalised in 4 states in Australia for a couple of years, there is legislation which defines what types of prostitution is legal and there are check ups. Contrary to the naysayers predictions, the world did not end. It was highlighted some months ago when an US warship visited and the sex workers were getting ready for a surge in business; it made the local media with general positive commentary.
/r/MensRights21/03/17 05:58 PM
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You may be right but consider the poor approaches that are taken - for example when a child defends themselves from a bully they get into trouble as well. That sends the wrong message imo, bullies should not be protected by the system.
/r/MensRights21/03/17 05:54 PM
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I was thinking along the lines of trained jurors; still not a profession but when selected for jury service, if they do not have an up to date training then they are trained at the court's expense.
/r/MensRights21/03/17 05:52 PM
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My problem with juries is they are staffed by amateurs. Every other legal person in the room has training and has to qualify for their work in the courtroom; but 12 untrained people get to make the decision of guilty or not guilty. Juries used to be 12 peers of the accused, people with similar life experience. This is no longer the case. I have read that in a survey of Australian juries that people take jury duty very seriously, which is admirable. Yet we permit untrained people to make life cha…
/r/MensRights21/03/17 10:25 AM
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Look up the pain experienced during MGM, check out the infant deaths from associated complications, look into the botched mutilations that cause extensive damage (more than the damage planned) to what started out as a healthy, normal penis, consider the loss of sensitivity and lastly, check out why otherwise sensible people have an unnecessary operation performed on their infant son even when they don't belong to any of the religions that preach MGM.
/r/MensRights21/03/17 09:03 AM
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What I find odd about childhood bullying is many parents experienced it when they were children, yet when they become adults they fail to address bullying of children with any effective skill. Do adults just forget?
/r/MensRights21/03/17 08:59 AM
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It makes it easier for the jury to reach a not guilty verdict. It isn't perfect but the objective of having people in the same room is to see how believable they are. it is just what is said but how it is said. Since video evidence mutes any emotional impact from the accuser's testimony, I believe fewer convictions will result.
/r/MensRights21/03/17 08:56 AM
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I am retraining myself; it isn't perfect but self-generated scenarios of every day interaction where I deliberately change my initial reaction means when I see any appeal for women or by women I switch off. Advertisements that are aimed at women, or feature women being "all knowing", cancels the product from my list of morally acceptable items. In my jurisdiction I know there are some rare situations legally I am not allowed to ignore, such as a women requiring life-preserving assistance; these …
/r/MensRights19/03/17 01:03 PM
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Considering it is unarmed black men they kill most frequently, I see this as an MRM matter.
/r/MensRights18/03/17 07:35 AM
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Perhaps your lies are no longer believed. I don't need reassurance, I have seen sufficient evidence to conclude feminism hates men.
/r/MensRights18/03/17 07:30 AM
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They use the word "justice", I don't think it means what they think it means.
/r/MensRights18/03/17 06:21 AM
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The song of some men.
/r/MensRights18/03/17 06:20 AM
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It is one of the ridiculous laws linked to marriage that all prospective husbands should know before they sign on the dotted line.
/r/MensRights16/03/17 12:38 PM
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I am going on the other comments, I cannot get it to load either. It may turn out the article is a troll and the title is fabricated. However, taking it on face value, a court took a look and decided the father did not have a case to answer.
/r/MensRights15/03/17 04:38 PM
1

Agree. I find it interesting that some women have always sought abortions, breaking the law to get their own way; part of the justification for legalising abortion has been to stop women dying when seeking unregulated abortions. Perhaps the MRM needs to consider unexplored methods of obtaining "legal abortions" for men.
/r/MensRights15/03/17 04:32 PM
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Am I the only one who thought "It means the predators don't have to scout as far to find prey." I'm not sure if this is what they intended when they thought the signs were a good idea.
/r/MensRights15/03/17 04:18 PM
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Femsplaining much?
/r/MensRights15/03/17 04:07 PM
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He killed a man; murder is unlawful killing by definition. This killing has been deemed lawful.
/r/MensRights15/03/17 04:05 PM
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The more I hear about the actions of feminists the more it seems like projection on their part.
/r/MensRights14/03/17 03:48 PM
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"In Nottinghamshire, the first UK force to make the change, senior officers warned that misdemeanours as trivial as sending a woman an unwanted text message could be cause for police intervention." I wonder how they are going to go when they realise that at least 50% of the hateful messages sent to women, are sent by women? We'll see feminists being charged with the new misogyny offences. That should be interesting.
/r/MensRights14/03/17 03:34 PM
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I would add that, even according to the foolish definition in the OP, feminism has definitely earned disrespect.
/r/MensRights14/03/17 03:02 PM
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This becomes a cycle though, once it is learned behaviour that fear is an excuse for punitive action then it becomes the tool of choice. Resisting the importance of fear is important imo.
/r/MensRights14/03/17 02:59 PM
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The best revenge is to outlive your enemies.
/r/MensRights14/03/17 08:56 AM
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Why do we care about the fears of some women? Why should we care? Edit: clarity
/r/MensRights14/03/17 08:53 AM
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I found the series Vikings didn't do this when the shield maidens were fighting. The women were wounded and killed alongside the men; there was even a story arc involving a shield maiden reacting to being scarred on her face from being repeatedly punched in combat. Edit: missing word
/r/MensRights13/03/17 12:42 PM
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This is why I think the MRM should use access to abortion as leverage with feminists; the opposition clearly has no compunction about doing such with activist legislation that affects men.
/r/MensRights13/03/17 06:36 AM
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What she expects is called chivalry (modern context) and she is no longer entitled to it. Men and Women are equal now, which means women defend themselves.
/r/MensRights12/03/17 06:39 AM
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Tim Hunt
/r/MensRights12/03/17 06:15 AM
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Feminism isn't interested in men's rights, in some cases it actively campaigns against men's rights. Feminism's goal, as demonstrated by the actions and statements of feminists is ample demonstration of this. The dictionary definition of feminism is a lie. Feminism offers no benefit to men. It actively denigrates men and prevents men from addressing men's issues. Once that is realised, the path to understanding why this subreddit, indeed why the MRM, is vital for men becomes clear.
/r/MensRights11/03/17 02:51 AM
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It isn't but it is used as justification in developing countries for aid agencies to fund only women starting a business and not men. What they don't like to publish is how many of these businesses go broke, wasting the investment.
/r/MensRights11/03/17 02:05 AM
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Pics or it didn't happen.
/r/MensRights11/03/17 01:59 AM
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This response to an idea, or a collection of ideas, is what makes feminism intractable. When I was in school, we were taught the phrase "stand guard at the borders of your mind"; it was described as learning the ability to be exposed to ideas, any ideas, and deciding which ones were good for the observer, which ones touched a chord or made sense; those could be accepted. Ideas that were inimical could be known of but not accepted into the observer's personal philosophy. it left the door open for…
/r/MensRights10/03/17 10:49 PM
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I agree with your point. This is why I think men need to actively develop in-group bias; start with adults and extend it to boys. Make sure women do not get favourable treatment from men. It might sound separatist but I think it is an important step. I know Tim Hunt went through media hell, the outcome though was gratifying, particularly the fate of the lying feminist who falsely represented his statements.
/r/MensRights10/03/17 10:43 PM
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I think you underestimate the powerful, motivational capability of fear. It is an excellent political and social tool and it is in use already. What men need to decide is if they will use it for their own purposes.
/r/MensRights10/03/17 04:24 PM
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You can beat a dog only so long before it turns to bite you. I think we are in for very interesting changes in the social dynamic between men, women, the MRM and feminists.
/r/MensRights10/03/17 04:21 PM
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I agree, particularly because the anti-male sentiment is seen as progress, as acceptable and as somehow empowering.
/r/MensRights10/03/17 04:12 PM
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More importantly for the criminally inclined, make sure your criminal gang is made up of women. They'll get less penalty and your network will be disrupted less.
/r/MensRights10/03/17 04:08 PM
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Sometimes I wonder how many of these sorts of statements are genuine and how many are simply attempts at manufacturing controversy. This case for example, it is unlikely that the desire for no men in television will be realised, so is it just "for clicks" as it were or is it so then there is a confected "issue" where there are too many (read more than none) men in Swedish tv?
/r/MensRights10/03/17 02:34 PM
1

This sort of thing only make those advocating for it seem foolish. As such, I think it is a good thing.
/r/MensRights10/03/17 01:21 PM
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By making a claim for something that already occurs, it creates the appearance that it doesn't occur without resorting to outright lying. Disinformation benefits from telling enough of the truth, or sufficiently truthful but factually conservative statements, to mislead those who only look at the surface of an issue.
/r/MensRights09/03/17 04:03 PM
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I am not responsible for another person's irrational fear.
/r/MensRights09/03/17 07:46 AM
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When one cannot meet a proposal or question with facts, evidence or a convincing argument then aggression masks the inability to do any of the forgoing. The discussion becomes one of deflecting emotions rather than attending to the actual issue; it is a derailing tactic in other words.
/r/MensRights08/03/17 03:42 PM
1

They're just trying to stamp out the cult of the Green Man /s
/r/MensRights08/03/17 03:32 PM
1

I don't understand the "immorality" of killing a pre-birth infant. As a species we are quite okay with killing born infants, children and adults...but we get queasy about something unborn. Of course, the killing outside the womb has to follow certain criteria but we are adept at making excuses. If you don't believe me, check some news reports about the current wars' casualty lists and your locale's murder cases. Humans kill each other as a routine activity, we just like to pretend otherwise.
/r/MensRights07/03/17 05:54 AM
1

Feminism has nothing positive to offer men; not even anything positive to offer women who are the loved ones of men. It is a difficult sell imo.
/r/MensRights07/03/17 05:46 AM
2

Religion, or the absence of it, is not relevant to defending an argumentative stance, unless the argument is directly related to religious questions such as "is there a God?". Argument from authority is a fallacious stance in any debate.
/r/MensRights07/03/17 05:44 AM
1

I am not suicidal, but the times I have examined my thoughts on the topic, if I was going to kill myself I would want to make sure it worked. I suspect men and women "attempt" suicide for different reasons; I think the evidence is men are more successful. it isn't something to be proud of but I think it points to another case where one size does not fit all.
/r/MensRights07/03/17 05:40 AM
2

Unless the meat grinder that is cynically called the justice system is held to account for its behaviour, nothing will change.
/r/MensRights06/03/17 03:51 AM
2

I would start with the crooked cops and work my way up the food chain.
/r/MensRights06/03/17 03:40 AM
1

I think it is disgraceful that her alleged rape of the boys is described as "a relationship". I note the identify of the accusers was not released, so a small mercy. What will be telling will be the outcome of the court case.
/r/MensRights06/03/17 03:38 AM
2

The only reason I don't mind my circumcision is because I cannot recall a time when I was intact. That doesn't make it right, nor does it make it right to do the same to other vulnerable boys.
/r/MensRights06/03/17 03:21 AM
0

Atheist before, during and after. I was cured of any belief in religion at an early age, thanks to a Religious Instruction teacher at my primary school. I know some in the MRM are religious; I don't see that as an obstacle to working with them as long as they don't push their religion as any kind of solution to the real world issues men face. I know religion provides comfort to some people, to others it is seen as an impediment to real world solutions.
/r/MensRights06/03/17 03:09 AM
1

I agree in principle; the problem I foresee is the current dominant philosophy in education is feminism. Do you really want feminists telling impressionable children how they think relationships should be?
/r/MensRights06/03/17 03:00 AM
2

I am reassured by the article that hurt feelings are unimportant; so feminists can dismantle their sexist safe spaces and PC speech is no longer needed. After all, if the hurt feelings of men are unimportant then so are the hurt feelings of women and feminists.
/r/MensRights05/03/17 03:37 AM
2

I noted how many of the principles listed are ones that feminists try to deny to those who don't agree with them.
/r/MensRights04/03/17 06:35 AM
17

She's wrong, it does achieve what it sets out to do; the demonising of men provides a seemingly legitimate reason to afford women unearned advantage, be it socially, politically or economically. The "all men are evil" message is very specifically crafted and applied.
/r/MensRights01/03/17 09:06 PM
1

Pay gap rubbish. Essentially HeForShe advocates a special, privileged deal for women.
/r/MensRights01/03/17 09:02 PM
1

On what basis is it justified that men support women?
/r/MensRights28/02/17 01:06 PM
2

The aspect of this I think observers overlook is that if men have no stake in society, no partner, no children, no visibility and no respect for their effort, then they also have no stake in whether civilisation endures, crumbles or collapses. Some men might still care, after all they have siblings, but if enough men are sidelined then society will suffer.
/r/MensRights28/02/17 12:50 PM
1

Unfortunately, feminists seem to believe an accusation is proof and settling a suit is an admission of guilt.
/r/MensRights28/02/17 12:42 PM
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Was Casey Affleck convicted of any offense or was he only accused ? if the latter then its just feminist posturing and should be ignored.
/r/MensRights28/02/17 12:35 PM
3

I think you know now your sober friend is no friend. I can only suggest you speak with your girlfriend and see if the situation is salvageable. I know the bullying and the opinion of your classmates seems very important at the moment but really they are not. if they would treat you this way then they are beneath contempt. Depending upon the bullying rules for your institution, document the bullying accordingly and give the bullies one and only one warning. Then report them and make sure somethin…
/r/MensRights28/02/17 12:33 PM
3

IMO that is a good thing. MGTOW from an early age.
/r/MensRights28/02/17 03:18 AM
1

I did not say other men cannot be feminists; I have some male feminists in my circle of acquaintances so I have firsthand proof it happens. I cannot be a feminist because of the way feminists have demonstrated they really are compared to the way they say they are and I do not want to be like what I see. I consider that part of being a rational man is to look for proof, look for evidence and not align themselves with deliberate falsehood. The men that I know who identify as feminists cannot hold …
/r/MensRights28/02/17 03:07 AM
1

Added to my wishlist as well.
/r/MensRights27/02/17 03:41 PM
1

While I am happy for you that you are happy with your marriage, I would suggest you make sensible preparations for when she announces she is divorcing you. Women plan divorces, they prepare, take steps and then they tell their husbands. If I could use an IT example, being a married man and not have a divorce plan is like having all your data on a computer and never doing a backup.
/r/MensRights27/02/17 03:22 PM
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If he really did take Women's Studies as is claimed in the article then he knew what he was getting into; he had no problem living alone, he chose to marry a feminist. If he's happy, more power to him.
/r/MensRights27/02/17 07:01 AM
3

I don't have an answer but the western policing model seems in serious need of replacement.
/r/MensRights27/02/17 06:52 AM
3

Save for the odd post like this I've not seen the MRM wanting to wind back the clock. If anything, as badly as current western society treats men in some areas, we have in an age where we can more freely learn about problems and can work towards solutions. Men had less freedoms 100 years ago too, lets not be too enamoured by the rose tinted view of the past.
/r/MensRights27/02/17 06:35 AM
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Hence my comment "from my experience" as to why people generalise men. Unfair sure, but very human.
/r/MensRights27/02/17 06:24 AM
2

The saying "an empty vessel makes the most noise" seems appropriate here.
/r/MensRights25/02/17 10:54 PM
2

Okay that I think I understand, what significance is attached to her being Scottish?
/r/MensRights25/02/17 10:21 PM
1

I can only speak from my experience with negative grouping. I dislike feeling that I am not learning from past events; if a member of a group treats me badly and this happens more often than not with the identified group, I recognise the group has the negative trait not just the individuals I have encountered. For me, to not to respond to the obvious environment or social treatment, is foolish. Some people draw a sense of self from identifying with a group; from my experience I don't take group …
/r/MensRights25/02/17 10:19 PM
2

How am I giving her a pass? I have responded to a suggestion she might not be a malicious feminist who knows exactly what she is lying about with the possibility, nothing proven yet, that she might just be another idiot politician. Do you have proof either way? I am not from the UK so I may have misunderstood your local slang, Google only goes so far.
/r/MensRights25/02/17 09:56 PM
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You make a good point, I have not (yet) been falsely accused by a breast feeding woman. What can be legitimately claimed by the woman though, what would stand up in a court of law? If breast feeding is normal, as claimed by proponents, then seeing a breast is normal. Edit: spelling
/r/MensRights25/02/17 09:49 PM
1

None of that is disputed except she successfully killed a man, or did I miss something in the article?
/r/MensRights25/02/17 09:47 PM
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Intertwined yes but you cannot legislate for what people believe; you can make laws that demand equality. I am a man, ergo I am not a feminist. Feminism has indeed gone too far, but not only lately, it has been hateful for some time.
/r/MensRights25/02/17 09:46 PM
2

She clearly made a claim that was factually incorrect. While it is possible she is truly ignorant, my experience with observing politicians is they are usually informed far better than they like to admit. I suspect we will learn she is an Irrational Idiot, but I would like to be proved wrong in this case.
/r/MensRights25/02/17 04:39 PM
1

Always enjoy watching the Professor's clips, her presentation is calm and organised. A refreshing change to the disordered screeching of the feminists.
/r/MensRights25/02/17 04:25 PM
3

This appears to be a desperate move. I expect there will be violent events over this if they are thwarted.
/r/MensRights25/02/17 04:20 PM
3

This MP is clearly a liar, a feminist or both.
/r/MensRights25/02/17 04:17 PM
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I don't care. Social constructs are far more difficult to change than legal ones and some social constructs are, at root, quite harmless. Men who are athletic and get paid for undressing I say more power to them. Yes, I am straight, doesn't mean I cannot acknowledge a fit looking man looks attractive.
/r/MensRights25/02/17 04:13 PM
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When I made gmail accounts in the past I didn't really notice. My guess it is in alphabetic order - Female, Male, Other. No real reason to put Male first.
/r/MensRights25/02/17 04:11 PM
1

The hate is not fair, I agree. While I wish it were otherwise people are rarely fair to each other.
/r/MensRights25/02/17 04:09 PM
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Yes, I do think she was over reacting, to a ridiculous degree. That is what my original comment said.
/r/MensRights25/02/17 04:08 PM
1

it is unfortunate that ignorance at the legislative level is tolerated by general society.
/r/MensRights25/02/17 01:00 PM
1

Trump may be antifeminist, that doesn't necessarily mean he is pro-MRM.
/r/MensRights25/02/17 08:26 AM
1

The bar for being a good mother is getting lower and lower.
/r/MensRights25/02/17 08:23 AM
1

Short answer: No Long Answer: As a generalisation, people seem to believe they are an exception. Things happen to other people; until they happen to us of course.
/r/MensRights25/02/17 07:58 AM
1

I am conflicted when it comes to men's suicide; part of me wants to offer them help, but part of me wants the option for myself. Not today, probably not for many days to come but when life becomes pointless then I would like the right to choose my death.
/r/MensRights25/02/17 07:55 AM
1

I'd appreciate not linking the comparatively analytical genius of D&D players with the regressive left please.
/r/MensRights25/02/17 07:52 AM
2

Where do I hand in my man card? If that's what "real men" do I want no part of it.
/r/MensRights25/02/17 07:46 AM
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Well, the Istanbul Convention delineates the countries that have a significant sexism problem. Sorting out this mess is going to take some time. Of the whole issue, the part that concerns me is the sexism by the UK MPs who supported this - they didn't even feel the need to pretend, they were just open about their bigotry.
/r/MensRights25/02/17 07:43 AM
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I've read and listened to those for and against breast feeding in public; I don't get the against argument other than some people are queasy about biological functions. The times I have been around a woman breastfeeding the infant in her care it has been discrete; you see more breast in a cocktail dress or a bikini. As for hate; it can be so easy to throw the baby out with the bathwater as it were. It takes reflection to despise the hate-worthy individual rather than ascribe that dislike to what…
/r/MensRights25/02/17 07:39 AM
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From the way I read the article, it seems the shooter killed the wrong person; quite apart from her actions being a ridiculous over-reaction.
/r/MensRights25/02/17 07:34 AM
1

If you mean MRA issues, there are links in the sidebar.
/r/MensRights25/02/17 07:28 AM
1

He is a self-admitted provocateur, that is going to rub a lot of people the wrong way. Political mileage is like the idea of "no such thing as bad publicity". Milo has a gap in his armour and anyone who can benefit from some distracting blood in the water will want a piece of him.
/r/MensRights25/02/17 06:36 AM
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Islamic men appear to have a better in-group bias for men than other religions. I may have been looking at the mechanics of the utility of a belief structure quite wrong.
/r/MensRights25/02/17 06:30 AM
2

Do the e-learning, get the pass mark and provide feedback - most training has a section where you can provide feedback at the end.
/r/MensRights25/02/17 06:26 AM
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The one moment of self awareness in the article "But the problem is that this advice does not deter perpetrators from assaulting women (and since it's not actually aimed at perpetrators, we shouldn't expect it to)." is a classic since now the anti-rape training is being blamed for women under reporting rape (in the following para). For those from outside Australia, the Australian ABC are a regressive group; pro-Islam, feminist and anti-border management. The funny part is they are the national b…
/r/MensRights25/02/17 06:24 AM
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How is the procedure not considered child abuse?
/r/MensRights25/02/17 06:03 AM
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Misguided beliefs like this is why strangers who are women are exempt from my empathy. It took a little retraining but women and children that are strangers to me don't count; I don't speak or comment to them and I don't help them. The only strangers I interact with are service staff or my own clients but there is a well understood customer service dynamic in place so it is a relatively secure social interaction. Edit: phrase left out
/r/MensRights25/02/17 05:54 AM
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The Police will not arrive in time to help you in a life threatening situation. Every human situation can be made worse by calling the Police.
/r/MensRights24/02/17 10:45 PM
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The MPs who voted in a sexist manner need to be recorded, make sure their actions come back to haunt them at the next election.
/r/MensRights24/02/17 10:27 PM
1

Diversity of opinion, debate and analysis which will include differences of opinion should be valued; if I wanted to be an indoctrinated drone I could just become a feminist and let them tell me what to think.
/r/MensRights24/02/17 03:55 PM
2

One person's "bitter young white man" is another's "informed man".
/r/MensRights24/02/17 03:50 PM
1

Yet when AVfM did this with documented criminals who were women it was a bad thing.
/r/MensRights24/02/17 03:47 PM
2

This caught my attention in the OP "lacking in self-awareness"; says the author who conflates MRAs, PUAs and all men.
/r/MensRights24/02/17 03:35 PM
1

Its name should be warning enough. Its content though is the smoking gun.
/r/MensRights24/02/17 12:09 PM
1

TIL;I didn't think the MRM was Humanist by definition. Some MRA's might be Humanist, but I haven't seen it claimed as a key part of the MRM.
/r/MensRights24/02/17 12:03 PM
1

I remember one of their speakers advocated a violent act.
/r/MensRights24/02/17 11:50 AM
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Every appeal to cooperation, middle ground or working with feminism is a thinly concealed appeal to help women first and leave men's problems on the shelf. Feminism has no benefits for men's rights, what is good for women has no positive effect upon the lives of boys and men. In some cases it has negative effects.
/r/MensRights24/02/17 11:46 AM
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Going Galt is for the benefit of the man, it isn't a punishment for the woman. In making the choice, women and their wants are not relevant; they offer no positive experience for the man and so he builds his own life.
/r/MensRights23/02/17 11:38 PM
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As long as it leads to freeing men from alimony, the why it is happening should be second to the make it happen.
/r/MensRights22/02/17 09:19 AM
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The reasons might be important for rehabilitation purposes but the crime remains and should be addressed effectively in law. Unfortunately a number of jurisdictions don't accept that women can be abusive; somehow something that is hurtful to a girl is beneficial to a boy. This double standard needs to end.
/r/MensRights22/02/17 09:14 AM
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Doesn't that make it a hate crime because she admitted her battery of the patron was motivated by race?
/r/MensRights22/02/17 08:47 AM
1

I'm not convinced that government should legislate for women to get full time jobs that pay well and have commensurate safety risks or not take time off for having babies. /s
/r/MensRights22/02/17 12:40 AM
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Women don't understand men.
/r/MensRights21/02/17 11:37 PM
3

Worded badly or not, Milo skewered the west's conflicting attitudes to sex.
/r/MensRights21/02/17 10:59 PM
1

Software can achieve what hardware cannot achieve alone. I consider the changes in attitude over just the last 200 years and what we hold as truths now that were viewed very differently just a short span of time ago. Sure, they are generational changes, but this is the long view of change.
/r/MensRights21/02/17 02:49 PM
2

Perhaps it is time to reclaim the word "misogyny", own it and celebrate it, correctly define it and strip it of its power to deflect and deceive.
/r/MensRights21/02/17 02:12 PM
2

It will be interesting to see if a rent-a-riot crowd turns up to try to prevent this. Given the symbols in the short video I suspect what the presenter has to say will not make feminists happy.
/r/MensRights21/02/17 10:57 AM
1

Can a man have internalised misogyny? it sounds cool. /s
/r/MensRights21/02/17 10:47 AM
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I think stories like this are important to share so that men in similar situations know that even though the system may be crooked, determination can pay off and justice, no matter how delayed, may be served. Thank you for sharing this.
/r/MensRights21/02/17 10:24 AM
1

Is it truly an impossibility, or is it just very difficult to surpass our biology?
/r/MensRights21/02/17 10:20 AM
2

I agree. I have seen men in business situations greet another and indicate they proffer respect but will not shake hands. I have not yet seen it cause a problem. I think there is a difference between forsaking one's culture, or even one's individual beliefs and integrating. In discussions though, integration is often code for "behave like I want you to behave" and I think that is limiting.
/r/MensRights21/02/17 10:18 AM
1

I found it difficult initially to rework my empathy; by reflex I felt sorry for women and less sorry for men. I am still correcting my social programming. I was surprised at how difficult it is, but not impossible. Men need to develop in-group bias.
/r/MensRights20/02/17 02:18 PM
1

Veganism is possible in affluent countries, not so much in the developing world.
/r/MensRights20/02/17 09:53 AM
1

I think that is the next hurdle we need to overcome; why does society owe you support of a child you chose to have?
/r/MensRights20/02/17 09:45 AM
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I think we know, it is why we are here.
/r/MensRights20/02/17 09:41 AM
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I believe the key is to never evaluate your self-worth based upon someone else, man or woman.
/r/MensRights20/02/17 09:35 AM
1

There needs to be an option between traditional and regressive societies, one where women are treated like adults. I don't have a name for it though.
/r/MensRights20/02/17 09:34 AM
1

Men do talk with their mates about their problems. They just don't do it the same way women do. Unfortunately, feminism has stripped men of the majority of places where they could be away from women where this bonding and problem sharing took place. Divide and conquer is a solid strategy. Edit: Grammar
/r/MensRights20/02/17 09:30 AM
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To be fair, the men who are buying drinks know why they are doing it. It isn't as if they are tricked into buying a random woman at a bar drinks because they are stupid; they usually have a plan. It just isn't a plan I care to bother with.
/r/MensRights20/02/17 09:25 AM
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I had a conversation with a loved one about this; she did not understand why I would not get married. I explained that the only factor that keeps a married man married and not homeless and stripped of any wealth he has is the continued good will of his wife. Further, even if I have been a "good" husband the courts are designed to transfer wealth from me to the ex; there are no actions I can take, or actions I can not take, to change the likely outcome. Now she understands. A financial propositio…
/r/MensRights20/02/17 09:20 AM
2

Not so much of a reach. Customs differ even in western countries. In my experience, in Australia (where the article is from) it is customary in a formal environment such as an award presentation, to shake hands as part of the receipt of the award. Children and young adults are exposed to these customs when appropriate. It is unusual for man or woman to refuse the handshake of the individual handing over the award; the handshake is considered part of the congratulatory etiquette. To refuse the ha…
/r/MensRights20/02/17 09:07 AM
2

Now that she has confessed to lying to the Police, I wait eagerly for charges to be laid against her.
/r/MensRights19/02/17 11:23 PM
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Socially, it is acceptable for women to be cowards. I'm not sure how a sentient species permitted that to come about but here we are nonetheless.
/r/MensRights19/02/17 10:49 PM
2

How do you explain the negativity feminists ascribe to anything masculine? Doesn't look like seeking equality to me.
/r/MensRights19/02/17 10:34 PM
1

I find it an interesting point that the bodily autonomy of women argument often includes not wanting 9 months of forced support of a parasite; yet it is considered moral to force a man to support a parasite with the labours of his body for 18 years.
/r/MensRights19/02/17 02:13 PM
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Its equality. Men have been disposable mooks in countless films. Now women are being presented as just as disposable, suddenly it is a bad thing.
/r/MensRights18/02/17 03:28 PM
1

Under the law, it seems coercion is not permitted. Unless the man holds a gun to his future-bride's head and says sign or die, I think the coercion angle is just a convenient way to nullify the agreement if it benefits or protects the man. The only really solid prenup in Australia is not to get married.
/r/MensRights18/02/17 03:25 PM
1

Signs like this one.
/r/MensRights18/02/17 03:20 PM
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It is a financial contract because, when two people get married, legally half of the wealthier partner's stuff is automatically owned by the less wealthy partner. In some jurisdictions more than half. Since it involves money and wealth, the law gets involved. At some point, the punitive damages imposed upon men for divorce will result in asymmetric solutions.
/r/MensRights18/02/17 03:03 PM
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Prenups in Australia are ridiculously fragile. They can be set aside if the woman is deemed to have less legal advice than the man, which seems to be her argument in this case. Signing the prenup too close to the wedding date is a no-no as well, it can be presented as using coercion of prenup or no marriage.
/r/MensRights17/02/17 02:15 PM
1

It is a term that is widely understood in Australia. Its usually confined the schoolyards though, a little strange that a grown man still does this.
/r/MensRights17/02/17 02:13 PM
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I read the article; the accuser blamed a man who had consensual sex with her instead of the woman who allegedly tortured her and used her as a slave. The accuser has be proven to have lied about the sexual assault, that suggests her other claims are lies as well. The Boy Who Cried Wolf is a cautionary tale for a reason.
/r/MensRights17/02/17 02:07 PM
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No philosophy has all the answers; pick and choose what works for you. For me, some MGTOW ideas work - no marriage of any stripe, no cohabitation, no shared bills, no shared accounts and no kids. However I work, pay taxes and participate in society.
/r/MensRights16/02/17 03:11 PM
1

The URLs don't come out effectively, look in the comments below the linked article for David Power. Of note his comment is 1 year old, so I'm not sure how old this article is.
/r/MensRights16/02/17 03:02 PM
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Stored that list of false accusers for future discussions.
/r/MensRights16/02/17 07:11 AM
1

From a certain point of view, it is zero sum. The POV is money; in the narrative there is only so much money you can leech off the government, and feminists are afraid that if men's issues get traction, some portion of government funds might go towards those issues. God forbid a men's charity might be approved and then they'll consistently get money that could have been handed out to feminist organisations.
/r/MensRights16/02/17 02:11 AM
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My understanding is the only real insurance is a recording. The legality of this varies by jurisdiction.
/r/MensRights14/02/17 01:50 PM
2

ad hominem attacks are used to deflect from their inability to counter your points. If you weren't an MRA you'd be whatever else they could use to distract from actually answering the question.
/r/MensRights14/02/17 01:47 PM
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The legal point from the article seems to be that the law, as written, specifies "husband" and husband still means man as far as the law seems to be concerned. This is what I have been waiting for, two lesbians divorce, the court finds out it doesn't know who to screw over since there is no man in the marriage. By the article it seems the woman who gave birth is being considered the mother (seems reasonable), leaving the second lesbian in a legal wilderness - not even being treated as a father. …
/r/MensRights14/02/17 04:00 AM
1

Feminism has nothing constructive to offer; ignoring them means loss of air time, loss of sympathy and ultimately loss of money from the state gravy train. Energy is better spent addressing the wars the refugee problems and the deteriorating social structure without feminist interference. If the feminists had something positive to bring to the table, things would be different. For now, they are a noisy, expensive waste of effort.
/r/MensRights14/02/17 03:50 AM
1

Feminist forums seem to have a strong "on message" bias and don't take it lightly if you stray from the accepted narrative. Considering I've seen some, not many, feminists argue against the narrative, it seems the cracks are showing in the steel facade. However, these are not public spaces so if the mods don't like you, then you are gone.
/r/MensRights13/02/17 12:36 PM
1

Is the mandate a specific instruction or set of parameters that cannot be expanded? Is it because of the established terms of reference for the inquiry? if that is the case, perhaps advocacy should turn to getting a separate inquiry authorised for missing indigenous boys and men?
/r/MensRights13/02/17 12:15 PM
2

Or we could ignore it.
/r/MensRights13/02/17 11:28 AM
1

To my knowledge this is the first time you and I have exchanged messages...I didn't see others in my history. have we corresponded before? Feminist theory is a little biased, so you understand why I don't agree with it. Political Power: You assume women want positions of political power in equal numbers to men. Politics is not a part-time job, it is not gentle and it certainly doesn't care about a politician's feelings. It is a hostile environment I can completely understand few women enjoying. …
/r/MensRights13/02/17 11:24 AM
1

Some investments are bad ones; don't throw good money after bad.
/r/MensRights13/02/17 10:59 AM
1

I find it hard to consider your statements are true, you are a self-admitted feminist after all. I'll bite, but I'm not hooked yet. There was a time when I wanted a peace across the divide but it has proven fruitless in the past; you know what they say the definition of insanity is right? Doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting a different outcome. You overlooked something I consider important in your introduction, where you said: "Just because women have had to struggle to get to this poi…
/r/MensRights13/02/17 08:13 AM
1

I think it is significant; there is a growing conversation across various media about this incident. It is an opportunity for men to be seen as fathers, responsible adults and as human beings. Social attitude change is a process akin to water wearing away at a stone. We should make use of every opportunity.
/r/MensRights11/02/17 02:41 AM
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Legally though they can become a golddigger should they wish to and, in my country, we have no-fault divorce. This is my sticking point with marriage, I am required to trust that my wife won't change her mind and decide to rip me off. Effective law should make it extremely hard to do, but existing law in my country makes it extremely easy for a woman to take me to the cleaners. If I offered you a contract for financial bonds where the starting point of their value is all your worldly wealth. The…
/r/MensRights11/02/17 01:58 AM
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I agree, it is a missed opportunity. Though your comment "who cares?" is probably why it is posted; few people do care.
/r/MensRights11/02/17 01:30 AM
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I consider it luck or good fortune even in poor circumstances; even surgeons who perform these surgeries as a routine have mistakes happen from time to time and the outcome is far more serious. It might be malpractice, inattention on the part of the practitioner or the random slight differences all humans have from one another that mean 99 infants are successfully mutilated and 1 suffers unintended but more severe damage, bleeding or death (these numbers are illustrative only, the actual number …
/r/MensRights10/02/17 10:37 AM
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That is true, he has been disfigured.
/r/MensRights10/02/17 10:31 AM
2

Adds to the dialogue that women can be violent; something society at large seems to disbelieve.
/r/MensRights10/02/17 03:34 AM
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Unless Milo has claimed to be an MRA, we also should not claim he represents the MRM; for all we know Milo only represents Milo. I like his attitude even if I don't agree with much of what he says. When he skewers clearly feminist opponents it is a pleasure to watch him work.
/r/MensRights10/02/17 03:16 AM
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Preparing for a likely outcome is not the same as running. If I've learned anything about feminists it is they don't respond to logic or facts. Looking good after being banned doesn't change the state of being banned. With fallback options prepared, we can continue to take on the censors while building community in alternative locations. if nothing comes of the ban threat then we have expanded our community to others who might not otherwise have been exposed to men's rights.
/r/MensRights10/02/17 03:04 AM
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She's lucky that her son survived and (unless she hasn't mentioned it) he emerged without disfiguration or loss of function. None of this makes it right, but sometimes all we can do is look on the bright side after the milk is spilled.
/r/MensRights10/02/17 02:58 AM
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It might be an interesting experiment though, create a men's site that offers deceptive information that seems legit. Could even include links to its "sister site" offering men and women the opportunity to deceive their partners. Edit: left out contextual info
/r/MensRights09/02/17 10:39 PM
2

I think it shows how weak a female politician's platform is if she asks women vote for her because she's a woman. It confirms she is unfit for office.
/r/MensRights09/02/17 10:24 PM
2

Follow the money.
/r/MensRights09/02/17 10:21 PM
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It concerns what boys are being taught in school, I believe that concerns men's rights. Considering how boys are falling behind in school is a concern, keeping an eye on the topic seems to fit one of our purposes for being here. We don't teach a number of things in Australia that fail to stand up to scrutiny. The theory might be undecided that does not mean it is strong enough to be presented as of worth in the education system.
/r/MensRights09/02/17 01:34 AM
1

Complaints about PayPal that I have heard from the individual are mostly from women; PayPal has a "policy" that, in their mind, justifies theft of their client's money. It is for this reason I don't use their business.
/r/MensRights09/02/17 01:23 AM
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From the article are those accusations on his Air Force record or proven acts? Given that Dr Phil is a shill I'd like to see someone with credibility report on what is in the dead man's record.
/r/MensRights09/02/17 01:21 AM
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The key point is she was convicted. Out of the 16 year sentence is there a minimum served time before she is eligible for parole? Just trying to get a feel for how long she might actually serve.
/r/MensRights08/02/17 02:43 PM
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Twitter, fb and PayPal misread the market. They think vocal feminists are the majority and they acted accordingly. it will be interesting to see how it pans out for them.
/r/MensRights08/02/17 02:28 PM
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While I do not want to get married, I do not believe it is up to me to decide for another man if he wants to tie the knot. I only hope he is fully aware of what he is agreeing to. For my part, I make sure men in my circle know the rules in my state that trigger common law/de facto marriage and they can then make an informed decision.
/r/MensRights08/02/17 02:19 PM
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Considering they are both a protected group by feminist media, no I don't believe it would still be up. However, I think /r/MensRights stands to lose more than we gain if we cannot laugh at ourselves and jokes about ourselves; even about the painful things. Is it an equal approach by the media? No. Is it a key issue to our goals, no I don't think so either.
/r/MensRights08/02/17 02:14 PM
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Feminists keep using that word; I don't think it means what they think it means.
/r/MensRights08/02/17 02:06 PM
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OP Did you actually read the article? Did you even check what the source is (a newspaper, not a blog)?
/r/MensRights08/02/17 02:01 PM
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Successful jokes often break taboos, part of the reaction is shock that someone would say the joke openly in the first place. It is also a way to open up about a subject while keeping the atmosphere less confrontational. IMO, more than loss of control, airing of taboo subjects is why humour is opposed by totalitarians; they want to control the public dialogue and don't want to look foolish taking action against jokes, so they try to define acceptable humour. It is a form of censorship. I like th…
/r/MensRights08/02/17 01:48 PM
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I am disappointed that she's dead, I prefer criminals serve their sentence (even though there is a cost to the tax payer) as it serves to drive home society won't accept violence against another. I note she justified her inadvertent killing by accusing her murdered ex of abuse; charges he cannot refute because he is dead by his accusers actions. Yet the family complain about those passing comment on their dead relative.
/r/MensRights08/02/17 01:40 PM
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The issue will be interesting to follow to see if the Uni holds firm or caves in to feminist pressure. Equality is supposed to go both ways and identifying that 90% of a course intake is anticipated to be women makes this opportunity for men appropriate.
/r/MensRights08/02/17 01:33 PM
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When men do defend themselves against violent women, other men defend the violent women up to and including harming the man defending himself; often encouraged by the violent woman/women and supporters cheering from the sidelines. Men need to develop a pro-male bias. That when a man is faced with this sort of issue they are supported by other men.
/r/MensRights08/02/17 02:36 AM
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I see a business opportunity for RealDNATestsRUS.com
/r/MensRights08/02/17 02:28 AM
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Is there a way t find out which other subreddits are affected? With a combined action do we stand a chance of changing the decisions of the admins? I don't know enough about the internal politics of reddit, hence the questions.
/r/MensRights07/02/17 10:55 PM
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It isn't only censorship, it s control over the dialogue. Emphasis is given to points of view that support an agenda of the corporation and other points of view are marginalised or erased. Social media is not what the bulk of people think it is, nor is its function what the bulk of people believe its function to be. Consider; not so long ago there was a conversation in this subreddit questioning why certain behaviour was adhered to. The answer was "otherwise this subreddit will be banned". Every…
/r/MensRights06/02/17 09:38 AM
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Left-Right also doesn't translate well between countries.
/r/MensRights04/02/17 12:03 PM
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The activity around him is a good measure of how unpopular expression can get you vilified. I've only seen a few of his videos but he has made some good points that the MRM has also seemed concerned with. He certainly isn't bothered by concern trolls and he seems well informed.
/r/MensRights04/02/17 11:29 AM
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It is an argumentative tactic. The big lie is more compelling; it is human to exaggerate for emphasis. It also gives the proposer of the argument room to fall back to reduced size of accusation (some men rape rather than ALL men rape, for example). This makes them look reasonable and willing to change their minds when presented with evidence. This gives the proposer the opportunity to suggest the person with an opposing view should give ground to also be seen as reasonable.
/r/MensRights04/02/17 11:22 AM
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I notice it is reviewed to favour the narrative that men abuse and women protect. Has anyone read it and is this a fair review of what the book actually contains?
/r/MensRights04/02/17 10:45 AM
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Grey's Law: Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.
/r/MensRights03/02/17 12:40 AM
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It is possible feminist theory is childish though; that isn't a reflection upon all women, just those people who choose a poorly developed philosophy with many internal inconsistencies. I take heart from the diminishing number of men and women who support feminism. In a way, advertisements like this do us a favour by exposing feminists' own weak dogma and their true motives which are divorced from the equality they claim they want.
/r/MensRights02/02/17 11:45 PM
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I suggest a social media and website approach; with defences against legal, harassment and DDoS take down. Provide concise and accurate information, which would need to be jurisdiction sensitive to maintain relevance and accuracy. Social media and traditional media advertising linking to the site. Support from MRM sites would be a plus, funding would have to be non-government otherwise it is too easy to cut off the money with some well placed protests. I believe the pitch needs to be positive;in…
/r/MensRights02/02/17 11:32 PM
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This is an opportunity to bargain...if women want men's support for access to abortion then men want an equivalent get-out-of-parenthood-free card. Sure, its cold but it might make a difference.
/r/MensRights02/02/17 02:43 PM
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I think it would be helpful to inform boys as they become adults about divorce, so they can make an informed choice and prepare safeguards for themselves before they enter a marriage and/or have children; or even how to avoid the various forms of legal marriage altogether.
/r/MensRights02/02/17 02:15 PM
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The negative reaction is heartening to see; the gullibility of the advertisement makers is disappointing.
/r/MensRights02/02/17 04:34 AM
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The state is involved in divorce because it is a legal contract that, in part, addresses division of shared assets and, as a side effect, transfer of wealth from the man to the woman. By description divorce is supposed to address what is best for any children but when the Family Court is involved it seems to really be about what is best for the woman. Marriage is a flawed concept when taken in the modern context; marriage, its nature, its sustainability, its dissolution when partners wish, the d…
/r/MensRights01/02/17 10:09 PM
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It is more shocking to advocate killing infants rather than champion abortions; which I think is why she chose that angle.
/r/MensRights01/02/17 06:53 AM
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They were gentle, non-violent bombs /s
/r/MensRights01/02/17 04:11 AM
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Some robots may be, certainly in a capitalist society if it has a market it will be made and sold. Certainly the majority of robot models will not be sex toys but a portion of them will be. How that impacts the current mess that is the gender war is worth considering.
/r/MensRights31/01/17 07:50 AM
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A shorter list might be what, if any, good experiences have you had with feminists?
/r/MensRights31/01/17 07:33 AM
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Why should the father not enjoy equivalent rights as the mother? Depending upon your jurisdiction, mothers can abandon their children using safe haven laws, they can put their child up for adoption.
/r/MensRights29/01/17 10:30 AM
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I became aware of the MRM through feedback to news and blog articles, the feedback I was interested in was countering the lazy misandry of the articles. There were already some issues that affected me, or that I was aware of, and it was reassuring to see other men thought these problems were important too. I participated in the feedback and was surprised to see the venom in the replies; mostly from those purporting to be feminists. Essentially the feeling was that the social and legal situation …
/r/MensRights29/01/17 09:41 AM
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One of the condescending and aggressive invitations did a fine job of deterring many men from wanting to participate.
/r/MensRights22/01/17 09:26 AM
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Men should have access to a termination of parental obligations (ie a financial 'abortion'), with required reporting, which is legally filed and recorded, by the mother-to-be with sufficient time for the purported father to decide to declare responsibility or declare termination. This should include a mandatory paternity test. Failure to adequately inform the purported father should default to termination of parental obligation for the father, leaving him with no responsibilities for the child o…
/r/MensRights20/01/17 06:41 PM
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One reason is about money. In a number of cases feminists have used the reasoning that if men's issues are even looked at by the public or government then some money might be directed at those issues men face. Feminists believe that would cut into the money feminist programmes receive. If MRAs raise awareness for these issues they have to be silenced; the accusation of misogyny used to be a strong tool for silencing debate without needing to concoct a reason as to why men do not deserve the supp…
/r/MensRights20/01/17 05:49 AM
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Then that is not an "equality" I support.
/r/MensRights19/01/17 12:17 PM
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I note there is no consideration for determining what equality means; is it equality of opportunity or equality of outcome? There is a lot about conditioning men throughout their lives to unquestioningly accept what is good for women. At no point does the author make a case as to what, if any of this, will benefit men. Unless a proposal includes responsibilities for men AND women, it is inherently sexist.
/r/MensRights17/01/17 02:48 AM
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The points you raise would indeed be good for men, as long as it is their choice. With respect to men having paid paternity leave in Australia, there have also been discussions about compelling men to take the leave, rather than it being their choice; even consideration of penalties if they do not. Not a lot of support for these proposed measures but some people have already thought of enforcing ideological compliance. This is due, in part, to the perceived slow adoption of this opportunity by m…
/r/MensRights16/01/17 01:00 PM
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There is the assumption in the article that the average earnings gender difference (incorrectly called a pay gap) is a problem that requires a solution. It seems obvious to me that at the family level, if the father works less hours in paid employment, the mother will need to work more to make up the shortfall. There is no direct economic benefit (to government or the family) to having both parents working less hours, they will pay less tax and be able to afford less goods and services. If adopt…
/r/MensRights16/01/17 04:10 AM
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Why is is empowering for women to have sex toys, but not empowering for men to have sex robots?
/r/MensRights12/12/16 02:12 AM
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I think we are supposed to accept that "radicals" are responsible for the hate promoted by feminism; it provides an avenue of escape for any feminist confronted by the results of their dogma. it is NAFALT, pure and simple. I consider feminism to be a form of groupthink and, when groups of humans think they have the upper hand, they can become arrogant and careless.
/r/MensRights07/12/16 01:45 PM
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For some people, fb is a process of attention harvesting, they feel "better" if they gain sympathy or attention even if the premise is a lie. I don't understand it, but there are individuals who desperately want social approval as if it makes them a better person.
/r/MensRights07/12/16 01:28 PM
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I realised during a discussion on this forum that what I believe isn't important...only what I can prove. If they have no evidence then it is simply an appeal to the feelz. Thus unimportant.
/r/MensRights12/09/15 03:41 AM
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In an article concerning men, why does it matter about the experiences of women? Do women's articles constantly compare the experiences of women to men?
/r/MensRights12/10/13 12:59 AM
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My suspicious mind points to exactly that; if made to penetrate was included as rape, suddenly rape as a gendered crime becomes much harder to defend, women become perpetrators and the moral high ground is lost. Better to change/maintain a definition that skews the stats rather than allow undesirable stats to emerge. it is a more easily defendable dishonesty imo.
/r/MensRights12/10/13 12:58 AM
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That would be workable.
/r/MensRights12/10/13 12:54 AM
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I see your point; my follow on question is, what benefit does being so careful which type of feminism is criticised generate for the MRM? My thought here is, if 4 out of 5 types (arbitrary numbers) of feminism I've encountered satisfy the criticism levelled, what do we gain from only specifically calling out brands 1-4?
/r/MensRights12/10/13 12:54 AM
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Always a comment of "Women have it worse". Why can't the experiences of men not be looked at as their experiences instead of constantly being compared to the experiences of women.
/r/MensRights10/10/13 11:19 PM
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The fun corollary with this definition of verbal abuse is women are guilty of it. Though I am getting tired of "everything I don't like is abuse" mind set.
/r/MensRights10/10/13 09:06 PM
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If there is a viable, read makes sufficient money to justify, market for games aimed at a feminist audience I am confident game companies will produce them.
/r/MensRights10/10/13 09:00 PM
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There can be no canonical definition of feminism. So categorical statements of the form ‘feminism is …’ or ‘feminists are…’ ought to be treated with skepticism. Not yet. The above statement appears to me to dismiss criticism of feminism due to lack of one definition yet you say that it doesn't do so. So what does the above statement mean to you?
/r/MensRights10/10/13 08:58 PM
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I haven't seem the MRM competing in the feminist victim olympics; what I have seen is calls for victims who are men to have support services. There is no denying there are victims who are men. Do you advocate we throw them to the wolves because feminists act like asshats?
/r/MensRights10/10/13 12:24 PM
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One of the things I have learned from a couple of discussions in this reddit is the assumption of a shared experience or point of reference can make for disjointed conversation. While regulars here might be sick and tired of NAFALT, we don't know if the next person to raise it has experienced its debunking. They may learn from it. I know I have learned from my disagreements to date.
/r/MensRights10/10/13 12:12 PM
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The definition you have made is that no canonical version of feminism exists. That is not a definition of feminism. It's an observation that applies to all attempted definitions of feminism. Since you say you disagree, where can i find this canonical definition that you believe exists? I didn't say it was a definition of feminism, in fact I said it was the opposite. You have established in your proposal that feminism cannot be defined by one single definition. So you have defined one of the para…
/r/MensRights10/10/13 12:09 PM
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I had a look again and I see what you mean. Pretty good visibility though, while often a little long, GWW has some good videos.
/r/MensRights10/10/13 06:19 AM
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Its really the Good Feminist Men Project now. It had such potential too.
/r/MensRights10/10/13 04:49 AM
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Perhaps I misunderstand but wouldn't she be a trope only if her methods were copied by other video bloggers so it wasn't just one example but indicative of a trend?
/r/MensRights10/10/13 04:26 AM
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I would have thought by now we'd have established a better system than police. Certainly where I live, they are a pressure upon legislators to infringe upon personal rights and freedoms all in the interests of making their job easier. Essentially, treat everyone like criminals. I do not subscribe to the statement "you have nothing to fear if you've done nothing wrong". The revealed corruption in the local police service is ample evidence to me that this is a false premise. Edit: typo
/r/MensRights09/10/13 11:37 PM
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Thank you for the reply. Where and how do we start adjusting the social order? Are there not circumstances where equality is possible, and others where it is not? For example, a clerk in an office doesn't have to be a man or a woman, only competent in their job. While an Infantry soldier is more likely to be a man, a drone pilot can be a man or woman. My point above does presuppose that men and women are treated equally and with no different favour before the law. I'm not disagreeing with your p…
/r/MensRights09/10/13 11:33 PM
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It depends upon who is defining masculinity. I've been amongst men who used it as a shield against being thought gay if they didn't pursue, or at least show interest in, sex at every opportunity. I've been amongst women who consider it a masculine duty to pamper and pursue them. I've seen social discussions where opinions are advanced that only men in relationships are truly adult, regardless of age. In my experience, this definition is usually used to advance an agenda.
/r/MensRights09/10/13 11:14 PM
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These differences exist. We can't wish them away. We have to either resolve them or build a system that accepts them and compensates due to them. I would think part of the compensation for the dangerous jobs primarily done by men is the higher pay. While a handful of women are noted for driving the mining trucks, for example, I've yet to see a mine accident that featured any women trapped underground; only men. If the men in the mine are paid more for hazards I see that as a way of accepting the…
/r/MensRights09/10/13 11:09 PM
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Ahh my apologies. It turned up in my messages feed as directed to me.
/r/MensRights09/10/13 06:30 AM
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Are men complaining that Miley Cyrus got her kit off on stage? Or is it slut shaming by women...again.
/r/MensRights08/10/13 09:54 PM
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It is projection of feminist theory - feminists believe they are oppressed by men (Patriarchy) so the opposing movement, the MRM must believe the opposite.
/r/MensRights08/10/13 09:53 PM
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It is one of those "types" of perjury that is rarely prosecuted however. In theory, perjury in my jurisdiction can receive a sentence of up to 14 years in prison. But it doesn't.
/r/MensRights08/10/13 09:45 PM
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I suspect Marcotte is projecting her own inadequacies upon MRAs.
/r/MensRights08/10/13 09:38 PM
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Consider, I have not been married, thus never divorced yet I understand the risks inherent in marriage so I choose not to do so. yes I have had offers, yes I turned them down. This is just one example where I have been accused of being bitter and jaded; I do not experience those emotions, I am mindful of the risks and chose alternate action that is unsatisfying to others but satisfying to me. Just because an accusation is made doesn't make it right.
/r/MensRights08/10/13 09:34 PM
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If you refer to the above then disagreeing with you does not make me intellectually dishonest; I have yet to find a version of feminism, any version, that has men-positive principles. I haven't claimed that such a version of feminism exists. You're straw manning here. Please read my words more carefully. You'll note I did not claim you did. You made a definition that works for you, it is hubris to believe it therefore must be accepted by everyone. The definition you have made is that no canonica…
/r/MensRights08/10/13 09:31 PM
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If a man chooses to be beaten by a woman, we should leave him to it. If he asks for help then it is up to the conscience of the individual bystander.
/r/MensRights08/10/13 12:02 AM
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One man's bitter and jaded is another man's educated and informed.
/r/MensRights07/10/13 11:57 PM
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The laws surrounding businesses are a more equal than those surrounding a marriage. In business fraud is a crime, not so much in marriage. There might be a way forward for Marriage if it was considered a business contract before the law, penalty clauses for cheating or for exiting the contract early. Children clauses, shared wealth and personal wealth clauses, requirements for spouses to work after children are school age and so on. Imagine marriage contracts that are for a period of ten years. …
/r/MensRights07/10/13 09:21 PM
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If it is no fault divorce then any infidelities should be considered irrelevant other than they highlighting they had a shitty marriage. Edit: Clarity
/r/MensRights07/10/13 09:16 PM
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From what I've read locally, the last part of your comment is part of the problem - it is very hard to get rid of shitty teachers in government schooling. They just get shuffled around. There is a currently a major push back from government teachers to a national plan of evaluating their performance and the performance of the schools and making it available so parents can make an informed decision.
/r/MensRights07/10/13 09:06 PM
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By saying that, you're implicitly denying this: There can be no canonical definition of feminism. So categorical statements of the form ‘feminism is …’ or ‘feminists are…’ ought to be treated with skepticism. Which makes you look like an intellectually dishonest partisan. If you refer to the above then disagreeing with you does not make me intellectually dishonest; I have yet to find a version of feminism, any version, that has men-positive principles. That is what I believe and that is what I t…
/r/MensRights07/10/13 09:03 PM
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I agree. Unfortunately, hate of some women because of their actions is often conflated with hating all women generally. Hence I consider the use of misogyny as usually shaming language and not an actual description of what is the case.
/r/MensRights07/10/13 08:54 PM
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A blow to the abdomen will knock the wind out of them and cause distress. Not equal to a blow to the testicles but it should make them think twice about attacking you. I don't hold to a man being prevented from defending himself but personal mileage may vary, especially by jurisdiction.
/r/MensRights07/10/13 09:17 AM
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Why should the government be allowed to presume that I'm not a parent? It is a two-edged sword; why should the government assume you are a parent when you are not when it involves wealth transfer to a woman for another man's child ? I look at it this way, if I am legally prevented from obtaining a paternity test for any child purported to be mine then I concede the corollary that all mothers are happy to have their infants swapped at hospital with no redress and no advisory. Clearly the latter i…
/r/MensRights07/10/13 09:10 AM
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It is on my horizon, sorting out when I'll have enough leave and savings to do so.
/r/MensRights07/10/13 09:04 AM
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It is shaming language because hating women is allegedly a bad thing (tm). Despite the point that some women richly deserve being hated.
/r/MensRights07/10/13 09:03 AM
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What rebuttal? You simply accused me of partisanship, I did not deny it. if you cannot give an example of how feminism benefits men, just say so.
/r/MensRights07/10/13 08:58 AM
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Well, then some other nation that didn't is going to eat our lunch. Might be China, might be the new Islamic EU which will exist in 50 or so years... but the the other big point is that it's a huge risk to our culture's survival. Economically western business already cannot match businesses that use sweatshops, to the point were western businesses use them too just with deniability built in. I'm going to see what I can find out about Australian industries to see how they shape up with injury/dea…
/r/MensRights07/10/13 05:29 AM
1

Then don't complain when your garbage pickup service costs you $500 a month due to all the safety measures. I understand this is an example, but in my city the garbage is collected by a truck with mechanical arm operated by the driver. No-one manually handles the rubbish. I'm not assuming the industry is perfect but it certainly avoids the repetitive strain and lifting injuries the men used to experience. Yes our City Council rates (includes garbage disposal) have gone up over time but not by an…
/r/MensRights07/10/13 05:08 AM
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Or, as I like to soundbite the issue: "Until you can demonstrate a way of convincing society to treat men and women as equally disposable, this fantasy of equality between men and women cannot exist and is not a valid argument." --Me Thank you for the explanation and I agree with your points. In another reply to a thread I suggested that rather than try to make woman as disposable as men, why not work towards the positive of making men as valuable as women? I understand this is a social change a…
/r/MensRights07/10/13 05:01 AM
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Then who guards your borders, polices your streets, hell, mines your coal and collects your garbage? In all of these cases better WH&S would reduce injury and deaths becasue we don't just write them off as a risk of the job but consider the risks as being faced by valuable human beings. War is about the only work place we can't do much about the "workplace" except convincing our politicians to stop manufacturing excuses to go to war. That would be facilitated if the bulk of the soldiers, men, we…
/r/MensRights07/10/13 04:56 AM
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Too much shaming language directed at concepts the author clearly does not understand. It started off seeming like a piece useful for non-MRM but devolved into petty name-calling.
/r/MensRights07/10/13 04:46 AM
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I try to stay positive and not concede defeat until it has actually happened. Imagine - if the Marines remained as resolute against feminist drivel as they have in the face of enemy fire? They might be the beginning of something important for all men by their example.
/r/MensRights07/10/13 04:40 AM
2

Maybe I've missed this, how does advocating for equality lead to supremacy for women?
/r/MensRights07/10/13 04:36 AM
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Why can we not work towards a positive change, men being less disposable than they are now as a progression towards men being valued as people equal to the value accorded to women?
/r/MensRights07/10/13 04:35 AM
1

Please also bear in mind Liberal and Conservative mean very different things depending upon which country you are talking about.
/r/MensRights07/10/13 04:33 AM
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"Call 911" The last thing I would ever do to help a friend is call the police. I'd call ambulance / paramedics if a friend was injured, but the presence of the police never make a situation better for a man. Edit Quote for context
/r/MensRights07/10/13 03:58 AM
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I want equality before the law. Legislation is easier to change than people's bigotry and I don't care if feminists hate me, I only care if they are enabled by the courts to put that hate into practice behind the shield of the law.
/r/MensRights07/10/13 03:54 AM
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In some jurisdictions they are considered perjury but for some reason they are rarely prosecuted. The MSM is weak on matters like this but I rarely read a falsely accused man is pressing for charges to be laid against his false accuser. The men are depicted, whether accurately or not, as simply be relieved at being exonerated.
/r/MensRights07/10/13 03:52 AM
2

It saddens me when men kill themselves over divorce/child custody. I am always mindful that I believe they killed the wrong person.
/r/MensRights07/10/13 03:48 AM
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I thought one of the points of the article is that the marines* have not* dropped their standards and so far no women candidates have proved capable of this role in the military.
/r/MensRights07/10/13 03:46 AM
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I had a similar interaction to yours when approached about White Ribbon Day. Being called a misogynist is as effective as being slapped with a wet noodle, it is so over used and used out of context I now no longer care. Edit: typo
/r/MensRights07/10/13 03:43 AM
2

It is a chicken an egg question; when will primary educators do a better job so they deserve better pay/when will primary educators get better pay so the job attract better quality teachers.
/r/MensRights07/10/13 03:41 AM
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What you want to do as an adult and of your own free will is one thing, rape of a minor is altogether different.
/r/MensRights07/10/13 03:38 AM
1

Or, you could counter with a case where feminism benefits men. So far no feminist has been able to do so.
/r/MensRights06/10/13 11:25 PM
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Feminism offers nothing positive for men; what point would any dialogue be but to give feminist poison the chance to seep into the MRM.
/r/MensRights05/10/13 11:35 AM
2

How is the teacher innocent?
/r/MensRights05/10/13 11:16 AM
1

What the women expect, and what they can enforce, are two different matters. Once I've sat down, abiding by local bus seating etiquette, what can my fellow passenger do? She hasn't got friends on board, otherwise they'd be sitting together. Bystanders are notorious for not getting involved. She can move if she likes but other than the bus driver ordering me off the bus there is nothing that can be done about me. I believe we should meet aggression with resolute refusal to comply. I don't owe any…
/r/MensRights05/10/13 11:15 AM
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Why is the teacher not charged with assault/battery? Laying hands on a student should not be tolerated.
/r/MensRights03/10/13 06:51 AM
2

I agree, it is more Men Going This One Way than MGTOW. I do keep it bookmarked though as a useful alternate philosophical stance.
/r/MensRights03/10/13 12:53 AM
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There are times when I evaluate my life, occasionally I consider whether I wish to continue or not. No matter how shitty the world is though, each time I have found something that I wish to continue experiencing. I believe death ends everything so this is my one shot at an existence. So far there is still reason to live in the world. To your point about disposable men. The men I know all make each other feel valued. We have knowledge, skills, experience or even personality that no-one else has i…
/r/MensRights03/10/13 12:51 AM
1

I'm okay with being feared. I don't make any effort to inspire it and it is uncommon someone tries to shame me with "I'm scared of your demeanour" but if some people have emotion management issues then I'm not going to make it my problem. They need to mature to mental adulthood.
/r/MensRights03/10/13 12:42 AM
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I would not agree that MRAs are a hate group, but there is so much anger, vitriol and pettiness here that I cannot send people who are genuinely interested in men's rights here. I understand your sentiment; while I discuss men's rights with select people I would not send anyone to any MRA site. Each site has its strengths and weaknesses and will appeal, or not, to different people. I would let them research them on the web and find which one suits them. Entering an MRA site is akin to walking in…
/r/MensRights02/10/13 10:57 PM
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If they are articles written in the mainstream media then I agree, the majority of those articles do ridicule the MRM. By why do you think mainstream media portrays the MRM in this fashion? Mens Rights is, to the MSM, an anomaly. men being demanding, men complaining as a group, not just the easily sidelined individuals. Collectively society - media, courts, legislature, medical services, social support are 100% behind protecting women, even if the stats are bogus they would rather err on the sid…
/r/MensRights02/10/13 10:11 PM
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Most articles I see about men's rights give me the perception that it's mainly about, frankly, people bitching about stupid things. (Before you pull out the pitchforks please know that i feel the same way about feminists.) If they are articles written in the mainstream media then I agree, the majority of those articles do ridicule the MRM. I have yet to come across a man who is genuinely harmed by the removal of his foreskin as an infant. This is one extreme example for you David Reimer and a vi…
/r/MensRights02/10/13 11:23 AM
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Feminism doesn't offer anything positive to men; there is no benefit to the MRM for us to work with feminists. The failure of feminism to be relevant to men is why the MRM exists.
/r/MensRights02/10/13 12:03 AM
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If the MRM wasn't a genuine concern, there would not be so many feminist hit pieces written about us. Each time they confirm for the public their disregard for the well being of men.
/r/MensRights01/10/13 10:15 PM
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I don't like her politics but I had hoped the first women PM would at least make a decent go of it. When Gillard played the gender card, then acted outraged that it would be played right back at her, I realised our first woman PM would make it harder for the next woman PM. Hopefully the next one will be selected on merit.
/r/MensRights01/10/13 11:21 AM
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The idea that men, or women, will truly be obsolete due to any social, economic or technological change is really only a sortie against the sex in question. People are not all of one mind, there will be parents who want boys, parents who want girls and parents who want both. Even if reproduction was completely removed from the scenario, in some dystopian future, personal preference will remain. The desire for one sex to be subjugated, reduced to a powerless minority or eradicated tells us more a…
/r/MensRights01/10/13 11:03 AM
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Put this information in front of Hillary Clinton and I'm sure she'll be all over it.
/r/MensRights01/10/13 12:11 AM
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I know that both movements are guilty of attacking one another, but what is stopping them from either working together or just letting eachother get on with it? From what I've read in this sub, working with feminists is just another term for becoming useful idiots; the most important issues will be the ones that affect women. Then comes tone policing and censorship. An example of this is the GMP. It was pro-feminist even in the beginning but MRAs could make their voices heard even though 4/5 mod…
/r/MensRights30/09/13 12:06 PM
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Gillard and her enablers did more harm to the idea of a woman as PM than any comments from the (then) opposition.
/r/MensRights30/09/13 02:20 AM
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If we were to follow in the example of this fine journalist then all journalists are bigots and fail to research their articles. Generalisations are easy when you don't have to back them up.
/r/MensRights30/09/13 01:01 AM
1

The Americans spared some German scientists who benefited their cold war effort against the Soviets. I don't doubt some of Mengele's data would have been coveted by the US at the time.
/r/MensRights27/09/13 01:17 AM
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Imagine, a man having an opinion that favours men over women. I can't wait for the article vilifying the women who favour women authors....
/r/MensRights27/09/13 01:12 AM
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He's experiencing a moment of clarity.
/r/MensRights27/09/13 01:04 AM
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I would have got married up until about 30, if I had met a woman I wanted to spend my life with. After experiencing relations with a few women and watching the misery of my previously happy friends, I could not imagine getting married. Later, I learned more about marriage and I'm glad I never committed.
/r/MensRights27/09/13 12:59 AM
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What your enemy thinks of you isn't really an issue, as long as you know what they are capable of and can prepare to move against them. When a feminist says they agree with the MRM, there is something wrong.
/r/MensRights27/09/13 12:54 AM
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They are projecting their own fears; men who are criminal paedophiles already are prosecuted and persecuted. Feminists fear what will happen when more women are charged and convicted of paedophila. Currently, society does all sorts of mental gymnastics to avoid calling women who rape boys paedophiles, in the legal sense. Weasel words such as "relationship" and "sexual encounter" instead of statutory rape and paedophilia as it should be called. We need to keep up the pressure when women rape boys…
/r/MensRights27/09/13 12:51 AM
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False rape accusations have to be denied by feminists and those in the rape industry; any doubt that their fabricated stats might be a bit wonky might spike their supply of money from various government programs.
/r/MensRights25/09/13 01:19 AM
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My go-to question with messages such as this is what do you mean by respect? Often the answers mean, serve women's demands, rather than my preference of treat women equally.
/r/MensRights25/09/13 01:13 AM
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/r/Feminism and /r/AskFeminists but you need to abide by their subreddit rules or you will be banned.
/r/MensRights25/09/13 01:11 AM
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I agree. However it can be harder to convince someone, if it is even possible, that their reasoning isn't sound. As I've learned even between English-speaking countries, what is taken as a truth might only be superficially similar. One example is some of the dialogue of the MGM/FGM debate, the sides aren't even talking about the same issues, in my opinion, but the participants believe they are.
/r/MensRights25/09/13 01:08 AM
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My city is mostly harmless but there are some locations that are less safe after 1 am. While I don't pack a "panic bag" every time I go out at night I do carry a map in my head of where it would be unwise to be after a certain time unless I really want to be randomly attacked by drunken yobbos.
/r/MensRights24/09/13 11:31 PM
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I like your point, especially the part about men being brought up to respect women (I know I was). I remember demands being made of boys/men to treat girls/women differently, yet at no time during my education could an adult explain why girls/women were deserving of preferential treatment. I don't think I was ever taught to respect them, simply told to obey a set of arbitrary social rules. Rules, as an adult, I have discarded.
/r/MensRights24/09/13 11:25 PM
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So, if an unwed father is not a parent, he doesn't need to pay child support right?
/r/MensRights24/09/13 11:02 PM
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Are the men ordered to carry the women's gear? If they let the women sink or swim then the capable women will make it on their own merits and the rest with leave sooner.
/r/MensRights24/09/13 11:01 PM
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I note the woman is a "mum" but the man is referred to as husband - distancing the audience from the fact he is their father.
/r/MensRights24/09/13 10:24 PM
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I am willing to read an article regardless of its source; it is better to inform people why the source might be suspect than to simply say "don't read". I'm surprised this pro-men article was published on GMP.
/r/MensRights24/09/13 10:12 PM
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Logic can be heavily influenced by a personal frame of reference. What is taken as self-evident by one person may be seen as illogical by another.
/r/MensRights24/09/13 10:01 PM
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We don't seem to be making any progress towards consensus so I'll cede the field to you. It has been an interesting exercise.
/r/MensRights23/09/13 11:52 PM
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Men who are criminals are not going to listen to men who are not criminals. Its not like we run into each other at the pub and have a chance to "talk them out of it".
/r/MensRights23/09/13 09:40 PM
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It's the same behavior - simply a different vehicle and substance. The act is still violent, even if the violence inherent in it is more subtle than the violence inherent in doing something immediately and overtly harmful and wrong. You mistake my disagreement with you for not understanding. I believe circumstances are crucial to how an act is addressed. A puff of smoke in the face from a smoker is not the same as a puff of pepper spray in the face. The former has negligible physical force and n…
/r/MensRights23/09/13 09:37 PM
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That is the best explanation I've seen so far. It explains how my sex can be male and my gender can be nerd.
/r/MensRights23/09/13 11:26 AM
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There were some threads a while back addressing the various forms that are available, including some experimental temporary blockages of the vas deferens, radiation possibilities, non-hormonal contraceptives for men and vasectomies. I think the focus on women being pregnant is the disparity in options post-conception. Ideally though, if your sexual partners never get pregnant then the post-conception inequality is moot.
/r/MensRights23/09/13 11:21 AM
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It might not be a dirty word yet but it has certainly lost some of its lustre.
/r/MensRights23/09/13 11:08 AM
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I get a message the video is unavailable.
/r/MensRights23/09/13 11:03 AM
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Not buying it. You've been trying to minimize the actual incident the entire conversation. I have not sought to minimise the event, but to understand your description of it as violence. It is why I wrote not all bad things are violent, the blowing of smoke in someone's face is bad/rude/inappropriate and illegal. Now when I disagree I can do so with an understanding of why. You have disregarded my description of the event as being wrong because I do not agree it is a violent act, dismissing that …
/r/MensRights23/09/13 08:46 AM
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Women have the luxury of letting their emotions rule their behaviour if they wish; men are expected to remain functional despite experiencing an emotional reaction.
/r/MensRights23/09/13 06:20 AM
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I see more potential in shaded roles, not the dichotomy of man/woman. On this issue I also think feminism's influence is extremely clear. The man=-bad, woman=good dialogue undermines any worth that might be latent within the feminist philosophy. Feminism doesn't want to feminise men, it wants an unresisting scapegoat for their own failings and insecurities. If anything, I'd like to see the MRM promote the competence and capability of men; it would stand in stark contrast to the victim ideology o…
/r/MensRights23/09/13 06:16 AM
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Development is underway for a contraceptive pill for men. There are plenty of Google results under "Male Pill". There are various theories about why it is taking so long but it is an interesting topic.
/r/MensRights23/09/13 05:19 AM
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False, unearned condescension isn't common ground. Neither is mischaracterizing my position. You can blow smoke anywhere you want except directly into another person's face. I took it as a given that you understood that was part of the point - it is what we are talking about. Yes I left off ...in your face from blowing smoke. I didn't think it needed to be repeated. The moment you knowingly, willfully, and deliberately impose that substance on that person, you're violent. It doesn't matter that …
/r/MensRights23/09/13 05:16 AM
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It will not do us any favors if defending the rights of men and boys depends on pretending that a violent act isn't violence simply so that you can criticize the victim's defensive response to it. Claiming that violence is not violent because other violence is more violent is like claiming that yelling is not yelling because one is capable of yelling louder. It's a stupid and unnecessary argument to make. I decided not to repeat myself in responding to all your points. Essentially you debunked a…
/r/MensRights23/09/13 12:23 AM
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A CALL TO MEN is a leading national violence prevention organization providing training and education for men, boys and communities. Another shaming site, in the boot tracks of GMP. When will feminists realise they are irrelevant to any solution for the health and well-being of men?
/r/MensRights22/09/13 11:46 PM
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In the threads I have read condoms and the male pill are usually mentioned. Responsibility of the man to take appropriate precautions for himself are also raised; not only is conception a risk but there is risk of STI.
/r/MensRights22/09/13 11:32 PM
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The thing is, if you use physical action to take away someone's ability refuse what you're doing, you are intentionally using force or power against another person, whether you're doing it openly, or whether you're being sneaky about it. Based on what you've said, it's inconsistent for you to view blowing smoke directly in someone's face as a nonviolent act. It is not inconsistent; you are changing definitions to suit your purpose. Not everything that is violent is a bad thing (consensual violen…
/r/MensRights22/09/13 11:29 PM
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I am as ambitious as I need to be. I have a job that pays my bills, funds my retirement and leaves me with comfortable discretionary spending. Could I earn more? Sure, but I don't want the longer hours to accumulate more money. Neither do I desire to provide for a woman. I cannot recall the proper name but there is a theory concerning utility of money. Once you reach a certain level of your needs being satisfied, earning one extra dollar is not as satisfying as earning an extra dollar when you a…
/r/MensRights22/09/13 05:41 AM
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Wrong yes, violent no. Penicillin is another drug/chemical, so your question, to me, is no different to your first one. From wikipedia - "Violence is "the intentional use of physical force or power, threatened or actual, against oneself, another person..." This is a good summation of what I view as violence, although I am not as wedded to the idea that a threat of violence is also violence. I understand that threats are often treated the same as an act, so "I threaten to punch" is equal to "I pu…
/r/MensRights22/09/13 05:25 AM
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In my opinion - wrong yes, violent no. I understand it is a personal opinion but I believe the word "violence" is over used. Just because something isn't violent doesn't make it okay.
/r/MensRights22/09/13 05:00 AM
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TIL. Thank you.
/r/MensRights22/09/13 04:58 AM
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Can you link to an article concerning the shape of the penis having this function? I'm going to do my own searches but I'd like to see what your evidence for this is. Not saying you're wrong, this is just a new idea to me and I'd like to research it.
/r/MensRights22/09/13 04:21 AM
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It probably varies from parent to parent but, despite my being a child, both those procedures were done with my agreement. Both the orthodontists and my parents made it clear that I had to be willing; they would not force the procedures upon me. My orthodontic work started when I was 13 so I was far more aware than an infant of 8 weeks.
/r/MensRights22/09/13 04:08 AM
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I cannot understand how so many men can think it's no big deal that a doctor surgically sculpted their manhood before they were old enough to speak. I think it is important but I'm not shocked or upset because, in my conscious memory, I've always been circumcised. I am also one of the men for whom my circumcision was performed competently and I have none of the obvious side effects. That doesn't for a moment mean I support circumcision or agree with it, but I have no experience to compare with. …
/r/MensRights22/09/13 04:06 AM
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Firstly, feminists accord a special status to women victims. They are lavished with attention and care, protected and listened to unconditionally. FTFY
/r/MensRights22/09/13 01:38 AM
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A slap doesn't hurt my hand. Using a weapon, especially when I've seen the injuries that a glassing can produce, for me is an over reaction. Other options include taking the cigarette from them with a quick grab and putting it out, a blow to the abdomen (less evidence of injury and knocks the wind out of them). Going from no weapon to weapon is an escalation in my jurisdiction that should not be taken lightly.
/r/MensRights22/09/13 01:37 AM
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Both would compete to be in the protected female role. I think some would compete for the protected role. We can see the "safety above all" instinct in those who support the anti-terrorism laws that undermine personal freedom. That want every little action of life legislated for so their feelings cannot be hurt, their thoughts never challenged. Essentially they want the government to be their parent so they can live in perpetual adolescence where there are never any serious consequences. I would…
/r/MensRights22/09/13 01:26 AM
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I got a similar warning from ZoneAlarm due to a favicon. I'm sending a query in as well.
/r/MensRights22/09/13 01:05 AM
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From reading news articles there are some topics in Europe that have different laws concerning speech or expression. For example denying the Holocaust is a crime in some countries (Germany being one I believe), the same with neo-nazi speech. I'm not surprised "I am a bomb" is not tolerated at a school, just as saying such, even as a joke, in an airport is an offence in many countries.
/r/MensRights22/09/13 01:04 AM
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I know in many countries blowing smoke in a person's face is assault/battery. However It isn't violent in my opinion, just provocative. Using a weapon, especially a glassing strike, is an over-escalation in my opinion. Bare hand would be fine if a physical response is needed to prevent the jerk from continuing.
/r/MensRights22/09/13 12:36 AM
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No doubt this carefully thought out and heavily researched medical coercion has failed due to patriarchy. /s
/r/MensRights21/09/13 03:22 AM
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It is always interesting to see what the loyal opposition thinks of you. A lot of claims that /r/mensrights has a distorted view of what a feminist is, yet no examples of such. I think their problem is the mainstream mrm has an accurate view of what a feminist is and it is an ugly image.
/r/MensRights21/09/13 03:13 AM
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Hahaha, sure as hell that must be why they get billions in funding every year, and are at the top of organizations such as the UN. Feminists do indeed get a lot of funding but there are more reasons than a poorly thought out anti-man belief. Funding comes from all the "protect the women" initiatives, not from "men are the root of all problems" theory. If you can show me a funding approval that specifically states it is for the purpose of opposing the Patriarchy then I'll concede you are right. I…
/r/MensRights21/09/13 03:07 AM
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I won't pretend that I am a member of a fictitious social faction just to score points in a gender war. What a stupid statement. Stupid why? You offer no explanation for your obvious genius, so what is it about the statement that is foolish or incorrect? The MRM makes a big deal out of facts and logic, lying would undermine that principle. Lying? are you mentally challenged? Making a statment you do not believe is truthful = lying, at least in my experience. Do you have a different definition? A…
/r/MensRights21/09/13 01:38 AM
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Good to hear! One of the actions I like about Men's Sheds is the men teach and share skills. Retired doesn't mean you can no longer contribute to your community and inactivity is bad for retirees health.
/r/MensRights21/09/13 01:16 AM
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I won't pretend that I am a member of a fictitious social faction just to score points in a gender war. The MRM makes a big deal out of facts and logic, lying would undermine that principle.
/r/MensRights21/09/13 01:14 AM
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Kudos for the report calling the offence rape and not using the usual weasel words we see in other publications.
/r/MensRights20/09/13 12:57 AM
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If I was a victim of DV, calling for law enforcement would be inviting two more abusers into my home. No thanks.
/r/MensRights20/09/13 12:53 AM
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Gorgeous women have all the doors open to them. They very much are put on pedestals. The majority of women are, at best, average rather than attractive. The truly gorgeous, for example some of the super models and the odd actor/rock star, are rare. Common women (90%) don't have the attractive power to command pedestalisation, however some men are deeply indoctrinated and believe they must acquiesce. I concede, as an aside, that my concept of attractive may well be very different to yours. Some m…
/r/MensRights19/09/13 10:41 PM
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Not even close to time. You can see feminists fighting back as they realise they are losing dominance of the public dialogue. Now is the time to step up opposition to feminism so more people realise how hateful an ideology it is.
/r/MensRights19/09/13 10:12 PM
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It is why I believe fault divorce should exist alongside no-fault divorce. That is, if it is proven that a partner breaks the marriage contract they lose mandated portions of the joint assets.
/r/MensRights19/09/13 10:07 PM
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The best way to avoid child support is to avoid marriage and children. I understand this is difficult for some men because they want kids of their own. Given the chance you'll be divorced and the chance the ex-wife gets the kids and you get child support, it seems like a very bad deal for men. Essentially, you might create children with your wife but the chances are they won't be your children for long.
/r/MensRights19/09/13 09:36 PM
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It is a powerful meme, the idea that a man letting a woman harm him and he does not defend himself is a virtue; rather than stupidity.
/r/MensRights19/09/13 09:27 PM
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Hopefully when it comes to a vote those involved will realise that feminism is a political stance as much as it is a social stance and should not have protected status. Further, that it must be a weak social philosophy if it is unable to debate its beliefs with any effectiveness.
/r/MensRights19/09/13 11:30 AM
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I have changed my mindset; I no longer believe anything feminism espouses. I have a healthier life already.
/r/MensRights19/09/13 11:16 AM
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The wording was off the cuff though the points I used I have seen on many sites and in many discussions worded in various ways. I can see far for I have stood on the shoulders of giants :)
/r/MensRights19/09/13 09:28 AM
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sending that means you want to be right, and that means you dont want dialog, and if there is no room for dialog, there is no room for friendship. Please don't contact me again. To me it sounds like your "friend" has no rebuttal for the article and is trying to use manipulative language to divert attention from their inadequacy. Notice they claim there is no dialogue and respond by cutting off dialogue.
/r/MensRights19/09/13 05:47 AM
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Feminists, with no clear understanding of men and only their feminist allies as a reference point, never hesitate to tell men what is good for them so they can be good for women. Men are not dispensers of utility for women; we are human beings worthy of full rights.
/r/MensRights19/09/13 05:41 AM
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When I asked about this my doctor informed me that the current reason for not immunising men and boys is there is too little research concerning whether the HPV immunisation is beneficial to men. So, if we want this to go ahead we need to advocate for more trials. This debate though, reminds me of the Rubella debate. Eventually the government health authorities realised having boys immunised as well made sense - for the goal of protecting women. Once again men's health was subordinate to the hea…
/r/MensRights19/09/13 05:38 AM
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The point of this subreddit is to discuss issues men face, to afford men an outlet for their frustrations and, I hope, to share information that leads to a changing of circumstances for men. If that involves generalisations about women that prove useful for discussing men's issues then I do not see a problem.
/r/MensRights18/09/13 11:34 PM
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I believe the common ground needs to be: Laws that are not only gender neutral but are also applied as gender neutral. Penalties for false accusations need to be higher and applied when evidence shows the accusation is fabricated. False accusers should be named in the same manner convicted rapists are named. Police need retraining and disciplinary measures taken if they bungle rape reports. You cannot make people agree with you so social change will be a very long process, if it is even possible…
/r/MensRights18/09/13 12:52 PM
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I think it is telling that the only relationship your friend values is marriage and that men have to "audition" for a women. It is an old-fashioned, dare I say gender-role reinforcing paradigm. In the 21st century the western world has allegedly surpassed the need to pedestalise women, they are now nothing more than equal.
/r/MensRights18/09/13 12:40 PM
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I agree, some individual feminists have come to agreement with individual MRAs. However the influential, mainstream RadFems would consider those feminists as outliers, or worse.
/r/MensRights18/09/13 12:37 PM
1

Can you identify a pair of branches, one from each philosophy, that seem compatible?
/r/MensRights18/09/13 06:14 AM
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The two philosophies appear incompatible.
/r/MensRights17/09/13 09:42 PM
5

My internal title for the article is "This woman's stupidity will not surprise you."
/r/MensRights17/09/13 09:39 PM
3

The more I read about Police, in any country, the more the idea reminds me of the quote about Democracy - that is its a terrible system until you compare it to the alternatives.
/r/MensRights17/09/13 09:31 PM
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Bigots projecting their own sense of worthlessness upon men.
/r/MensRights17/09/13 09:17 PM
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I gave you an honest reply to the points you raised. If you think I was being patronizing then there is little I can do to offer a rebuttal.I have not described you as hateful so I'm not sure what relevance this is to the discussion. Feminists, and debunking their ideology, does form a significant portion of discussions on /r/mensrights. The reason boils down to feminism being the default social dialogue, feminism being anti-men at its core and the prominent feminist organisations supporting leg…
/r/MensRights17/09/13 10:41 AM
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But Ms Vanstone, a former senator and former Ambassador to Italy, said having more women in the cabinet should not be an end in itself. "Would I like to see more women in the cabinet? Yes. But it didn't help the Labor Party, which had lots of women but was hopeless,' she told The Australian. She is not a favorite of mine but this time I agree with what she says.
/r/MensRights17/09/13 03:28 AM
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Oppression is for feminists. Mens Rights addresses the issues that men face, for examples see the sidebar. Part of the reason for you receiving down votes is probably because one aspect of Mens Rights is an aversion to Tone Policing; it is cousin to censorship and neither are supported by Mens Rights. Open discussion, with an acceptance that many men feel they are stifled, that there are few outlets for their frustration and anger means Mens Rights is accepting of anger when it is displayed. Ano…
/r/MensRights17/09/13 03:26 AM
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Is it the man’s responsibility to think of the women and children first or have times changed in the wake of feminism? Men no longer owe their lives to women who are strangers.
/r/MensRights17/09/13 12:15 AM
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There is no evidence of mental instability, at least not yet. Let's not rush to excuse a monster just because she's a woman.
/r/MensRights17/09/13 12:10 AM
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I suggest Yale men find intelligent women who can communicate clearly in English (or a shared common language between the man and the woman).
/r/MensRights16/09/13 11:22 AM
1

Sanity is often in the eye of the beholder and is greatly affected by circumstances.
/r/MensRights16/09/13 11:15 AM
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Feminists projecting their own violent urges upon people who have displayed no occasions of violence. It isn't really surprising but it is good to see it admitted on wikipedia; another forum where people can see the hate movement for what it is.
/r/MensRights16/09/13 11:05 AM
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Chivalry which is owed to women, rather than politeness which is owed to people, is a bad thing. If women cannot open doors or pay their own way then they are being treated as infants.
/r/MensRights16/09/13 04:14 AM
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From the article, beneath the first picture of the offender: Linda Lusk says she no longer has to register as a sex offender since she was convicted of having sexual contact with a 14-year-old boy, but she is still not allowed to go to the high school where her daughter is expected to graduate next year. (My emphasis) I thought registration for being a sex offender was for life, apparently not.
/r/MensRights15/09/13 10:13 PM
1

The fallacy regarding the Rule of Thumb again. I find it hard to take feminists seriously, only the damage they do makes them worthy of notice.
/r/MensRights15/09/13 09:57 PM
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I note she's no longer on the sex offender's register, I didn't realise this was a temporary state of affairs.
/r/MensRights15/09/13 09:12 PM
2

If I remember correctly from my toxicology classes, poison isn't really a technical term. A toxin I think would refer to a compound or w/e given to an organism that adversely affects it in some way either fatally or not. That is a fair point. Is an abortion considered an "adverse affect" ? My understanding of the accepted dialogue is a foetus is an inconvenience to women unless they want a child. Like long hair is an inconvenience (hence you get a hair cut) unless you desire long hair.
/r/MensRights15/09/13 08:58 PM
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I think it is fair. I noticed the charge was deprivation of liberty, so the crime was her false accusation depriving her victim of liberty for the duration of the sentence. It is certainly a step up from we dare not charge the liar because it will dissuade real victims from coming forward BS we see so often.
/r/MensRights15/09/13 01:42 AM
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How do you feel about the red pill? I don't agree with what they say but I defend their right to say it. Do you personally know men who have taken the pill and hold "extreme" views? You've used taking the red pill out of context. It is used as a buzz phrase identifying the moment or circumstances when a man realises life is not what he formerly believed it to be (taken from Neo "waking up" to what the Matrix is). /r/TheRedPill is not the first, and probably won't be the last group to use this ph…
/r/MensRights15/09/13 01:37 AM
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If women are as influential in spending money as suggested elsewhere (80% of spending decisions) and advertising is mostly geared to the primary consumer, women, then it makes an ugly kind of sense that newspapers would be soft on women offenders. They don't want to run the risk of alienating women that might cause a backlash with their advertisers and thus hurt the newspaper's bottom line.
/r/MensRights15/09/13 01:19 AM
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Suicide, loss of employment, loss of accommodation, loss of access to offspring, risk of white knight violence, disgraced reputation. These are only some of the effects a man falsely accused of rape faces. In many cases the false accuser faces, at worst, a stern talking to by an irritated cop. Her name is never released. Who is the real victim of a false accusation again?
/r/MensRights15/09/13 01:04 AM
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He actively supported feminist involvement in a site he alleges was for the benefit of men. At the very least he was shortsighted, at worst he helped establish a prominent false-flag site.
/r/MensRights14/09/13 11:35 PM
2

I have said before, the approval of women is overrated.
/r/MensRights14/09/13 11:26 PM
2

I disagree it is "poison" but it certainly is supplying a controlled substance illegally and without the knowledge of the target. So, charge him with that. Abortion laws have already established the foetus (up until the magical abortion deadline) isn't a human being - you don't get charged with murder if you cut your hair. Yes, he did some illegal acts but charge him with those actual illegal acts.
/r/MensRights14/09/13 11:03 PM
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I'm not sure that a man who thinks feminism is good for men would be what this movement needs right now.
/r/MensRights14/09/13 05:43 AM
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I'm not sure there is an attractive side to censorship, feminist or otherwise.
/r/MensRights14/09/13 05:07 AM
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I thought the accepted dogma was women dress to impress other women, not men. So, who is to blame for that spending spree again?
/r/MensRights13/09/13 11:17 AM
1

She might not be able to be charged with perjury but her identity can be revealed, she may well have done this to others and they should be encouraged to come forward. You know, just like in the cases of alleged rapists.
/r/MensRights12/09/13 08:22 AM
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How do you know for certain that he was going to be on the hook for support? Did you read her mind? Probability. Do you think a single mother is going to pass up an income stream? She might but I would consider it more likely she'll opt for child support, this is worthwhile bearing in mind. Secondly, it matters because it was her damned body he attacked. We all are for bodily autonomy when it comes to circumcision, so why is it suddenly OK for him to POISON HER????????????????? You miss what I'm…
/r/MensRights12/09/13 04:34 AM
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Why does it matter that it was against the mothers will? She was bearing a foetus against the fathers will and that was okay. The father was going to be committed to 18 years of debt against his will but that was okay.
/r/MensRights11/09/13 03:58 AM
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So, a media finds a solution for a problem they helped create and couched in terms acceptable to their target audience? Now that is marketing!
/r/MensRights11/09/13 03:36 AM
1

I'm sure at any moment they'll be outraged at the boyfriend tracker app right?
/r/MensRights11/09/13 01:27 AM
1

I see it with my married friends. it comes down to the men giving in to the nagging because they don't want yet another argument. More than anything, my married friends are a cautionary tale of marriage for me. Luckily I watched and learned.
/r/MensRights11/09/13 01:24 AM
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When you consider feminist belief is rape is only ever men raping women then their blindness becomes understandable. The law in many jurisdictions even defines rape as a crime a woman cannot commit.
/r/MensRights11/09/13 12:40 AM
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So, in the case of a spontaneous miscarriage the woman should be charged with negligent homicide.
/r/MensRights11/09/13 12:17 AM
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"Suggest" does not mean force. I believe all men have the right to screw up their lives, free choice and all that. However, I'd like to think that some men would prefer to make a good deal of it and are looking for options to improve their lot in life. At the moment marriage offers nothing to men; I know from various discussions some men still want to be married, though not in the current environment. So either we just give up, or we work to change our situation.
/r/MensRights11/09/13 12:10 AM
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Then I suggest future husbands agree to support their future wife for the period of birth to school age for children and then there is an expectation the wife will return to the work place. With this agreement in place there is no grounds for alimony after children are school age. The system is broken at the moment but I hope the train wreck that is marriage might be fixed.
/r/MensRights11/09/13 12:04 AM
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MGTOW doesn't have to mean abstaining from sex. An educated and consistent attention to your relationship environment and contraception means you don't get married and cannot be classed as de facto / common law married (varied by jurisdiction).
/r/MensRights10/09/13 11:35 AM
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Gillard was doing poorly in the polls. Despite being deposed as PM, Rudd had a strong backing in his state. Rudd continued to protest his loyalty to the party while onlookers kept hinting, and outright asking, when he was going to make a move against Gillard. It is believed Gillard called the motion to quell gossip which was damaging their poll chances even further, and this time Rudd won by one vote. So he became leader of the Government and Prime Minister. What made it farcical was towards the…
/r/MensRights10/09/13 11:30 AM
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You can't reasonably punish someone for that choice after the circumstances change. Why is it acceptable to punish the money earner? if the system I propose existed, only a fool would permit their employable skills lapse. Stupidity should never be rewarded, it sends the wrong message and creates unnecessary situations. If a guy has sex with a woman with the understanding that if there's a pregnancy, she will have an abortion, then she becomes pregnant and decides to keep it, should the guy be pe…
/r/MensRights10/09/13 10:59 AM
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I understand where you are heading with this but I believe it would make any difference to those who advocate that MRA=hating women. I would rather a dialogue of if it is okay to hate men why is it wrong for the hated to hate back? While it isn't productive it is very human.
/r/MensRights10/09/13 06:32 AM
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Maybe he didn't think a Hail Mary would work?
/r/MensRights10/09/13 06:28 AM
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I don't hate all women; I do choose not to associate with some people, women and men. Some opinions are not worth the effort to confront - you cannot change stupid. Better to focus attention upon those who are not sufficiently aware of the issues some men face and let the chaff fall by the wayside.
/r/MensRights10/09/13 06:24 AM
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I agree. Having children is a choice; if it occurs within a marriage then both spouses are responsible for the children. If a spouse chooses divorce then they forgo the income of the other spouse. The idea that former spouses owe their ex money in the form of alimony makes a mockery of the idea of divorce.
/r/MensRights10/09/13 06:20 AM
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Might be worth posting MRAs to monitor fire alarm points with video surveillance this time.
/r/MensRights10/09/13 02:08 AM
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Australian Labor did itself no favours in the final weeks of the campaign, even reportedly entertaining the idea of dumping Rudd again and replacing him with Gillard. Labor was spanked at the polling booth for being inept; if feminists really believe that women only vote for Labor because it had a woman as leader they are truly underestimating the thinking women who are not feminists.
/r/MensRights10/09/13 02:08 AM
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In my experience I am not oppressed. For example: I have the freedom to vote for whichever candidate I wish I can travel within the borders of my country with no ID required I have a common law right to speak my mind without facing summary arrest I can choose my job within my skills and allowing for market forces My country does not have conscription/selective service However, there are some issues where, because I am a man, I am unequal before the law: Family Court when going through divorce/cu…
/r/MensRights09/09/13 11:21 PM
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Poisoning someone without their consent - big nono. Abortion via medication to me is just targeted poisoning or a manipulated natural part of her body - but she has to consent to it for it to be OK. Poisoning - to me means harming the person to whom the substance is given. Within the legal abortion period a foetus is not a person, by definition, so effects on the foetus can be discounted. An abortion pill does not harm a woman's body. I agree it promotes changes which are what lead to the aborti…
/r/MensRights09/09/13 10:59 PM
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The answer seems to me to edit the video so the names are concealed to protect the guilty and then repost.
/r/MensRights09/09/13 10:33 PM
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The US government, and its enablers, seem to define themselves by their choice of wars.
/r/MensRights09/09/13 10:18 PM
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If the abortion pill was given during the period abortions are permitted, how can it be murder? The "crime" is described as egregious - yet an abortion the mother wants is a natural right and legal. I am pro-choice, for men and women. The double-think is just ridiculous.
/r/MensRights09/09/13 10:05 PM
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Once the children are of school age, the primary caregiver can return to the workforce. I believe part of a marriage is the shared lifestyle. If the marriage is dissolved, so is any claim to the lifestyle. The model we currently have of divorce is men are worried about divorcing because of the financial consequences caused by their ex-wife. This is no better than women being worried about divorce because they cannot support themselves. I believe we should, as a society, encourage self-sufficienc…
/r/MensRights09/09/13 09:59 PM
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If it takes that long to make a salient point I doubt its worth.
/r/MensRights08/09/13 10:54 PM
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You are dodging around the distinction I'm making but it makes you happy (emotional) then so be it.
/r/MensRights08/09/13 10:32 PM
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I disagree with the idea whether it is for men or women. Alimony is abrogation of personal responsibility.
/r/MensRights08/09/13 10:32 PM
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That is where I disagree. I believe every adult has a responsibility to remain employable; if they choose not to then that is their own problem, not the problem of a former spouse.
/r/MensRights08/09/13 10:31 PM
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I agree with alimony, but only to an extent. In this situation, it's clearly WAY too much. But women who are supported by their husbands lose the ability to support themselves slowly. Not if they are in the work force. After children are school age there is little excuse for a woman to not be working to support the family, just like her husband. If you stop working for several years, your potential earnings fall. Alimony laws need to exist, to prevent abuse caused by one partner threatening the …
/r/MensRights08/09/13 07:57 AM
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I think what you meant to say is that people should learn to be emotionally mature and have healthy emotional reactions rather than shitty and spoiled emotional reactions. There is a distinct difference between acting emotionally, and having an emotional reaction. maturity is reflecting upon a natural emotional reaction and then acting rationally.
/r/MensRights08/09/13 07:50 AM
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A space for the discussion of the issues of men does not benefit from the censored, interaction-strapped model of feminist subs. Sure, there will be shared stereotypes but stereotypes emerge for a reason. Sure the language won't be "Miss Manners" either, but anger can quickly strip away civility. Having a place where anger is recognised and allowed, in a social sense, is important. More important than the feelings of those who don't like the style of /r/MensRights is that it exists. Let the femi…
/r/MensRights08/09/13 01:53 AM
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Some elements of western society do not learn to manage their emotions; so they pass into the age of adulthood without gaining any of the benefits of maturity. Emotions are all well and good, should be expressed, should be acknowledged and all of that however emotional reaction to events should stop when the law begins. Otherwise it isn't justice it is only vengeance.
/r/MensRights08/09/13 01:39 AM
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Empowered, capable women should pay their own way in life. Divorce means you are no longer married by definition, what was made one by a ceremony has been separated into two by law. Divorced women need to support themselves, not continue to look for hand outs from their ex.
/r/MensRights08/09/13 01:33 AM
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So...if I wear a fedora those annoying feminists will leave me alone? I'm going shopping.
/r/MensRights06/09/13 03:26 AM
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ABS AMRA article
/r/MensRights06/09/13 03:16 AM
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He was also one of the "Powerful men" in a recent ad campaign blaming men for all DV. This is a Police Commissioner and he doesn't even know the stats freely available on the Australian Bureau of Statistics. No wonder our coppers are muppets.
/r/MensRights05/09/13 09:12 AM
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I don't associate knowingly with criminals; my friends who are men do not assault, rape or murder. For this strategy to make sense I would have to knowingly and willingly associate with criminals to be in a position to "talk them out" of any activity. It makes as much sense as saying women can stop infanticide; the women who do murder their children are not likely to confide in other women who don't.
/r/MensRights05/09/13 05:22 AM
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Feminists are not a gateway to legislative or social change, at least not change that benefits men; I believe the mrm gains nothing by discussing men's issues with feminists. The people from whom we have the potential for positive responses are the non-feminists who are strangers to the gender debates. These are the people that it is worthwhile engaging in debate.
/r/MensRights05/09/13 04:46 AM
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If the mrm reinforces the desired social changes, rather than conceding they'll never change anything, then an island of men amidst society can be created who do believe in a better social balance. From there we can grow. I agree, all men should have choice, I would like to see the mrm offer a viable choice.
/r/MensRights05/09/13 04:40 AM
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I am a woman who self-identifies as a "feminist" in the sense that I think that BOTH GENDERS should be EQUAL. You are, therefore, not a mainstream feminist. I expect you'll get some stick for your self-identification though. In your opinion, does /r/mensrights[1] contribute to equality? Yes. The community discusses issues that concern men, and distributes information that discredits the popular dialogue concerning women. Does r/feminism? No. /r/feminism has posting rules in place that ensure fem…
/r/MensRights04/09/13 02:31 AM
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Yes, alimony should not exist at all. When a relationship ends it should end completely. Divide the assets based upon who acquired them and then both adults are on their own. Both partners are responsible for ensuring they are employable. No former partner owes the other a "standard of living"; that is set aside when they separate.
/r/MensRights04/09/13 02:05 AM
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I've heard househusband used for husbands who are stay at home, as the equivalent of housewife. I know a couple, they are completely comfortable with their place in the world.
/r/MensRights03/09/13 10:49 PM
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I'll take a look at the thread.
/r/MensRights03/09/13 10:44 PM
1

Considering the value of the tax breaks and the probability of 70% loss (or more) in the divorce court, I'll happily pay tax as a single man. I end up with more of my own money that way.
/r/MensRights03/09/13 10:30 PM
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We really need to stop treating women like fragile emotional creatures when it comes to this sort of thing. While I agree, even if they are fragile emotional creatures why does it matter? The law should be applied equally and without bias or it is simply tyranny by another name. It doesn't matter if conviction for a heinous crimes turns the offender into a gibbering idiot, they did the crime.
/r/MensRights03/09/13 10:09 PM
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Children are all too frequently used for an excuse. If the offender truly cared for her children she wouldn't have lied about being raped. What kind of repulsive example is she setting for her children?
/r/MensRights03/09/13 10:01 PM
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Any more awkward than if you see a slightly built figure, refer to them as a firewoman and it turns out to be a fireman? I would like to discuss why it is important to have a neutral term; what actual benefit do we as a society gain from it.
/r/MensRights03/09/13 09:58 PM
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The approval of women is over rated.
/r/MensRights03/09/13 09:53 PM
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Any point made to me with a version of the phrase "Man Up" receives my automatic no.
/r/MensRights03/09/13 09:47 PM
2

When I heard about locker room interviews I assumed it was done purely for the titillation of readers - the "daring" of a woman reporter in a room full of strong, semi-naked men. Surely it isn't considered serious journalism?
/r/MensRights03/09/13 09:44 PM
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Men are responsible for protecting ourselves, this does not change because women are also aggressors; the only difference is we are often raised only to consider other men as potential opponents. Women have always had power, recognising it doesn't make them more dangerous, rather it makes them less. Less because you are aware; you know you can be falsely accused, you know some women are violent you know your wife can clean you out in divorce; so you plan for the possibility. If the possibility n…
/r/MensRights03/09/13 09:38 PM
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I wouldn't use fireman for a woman in the fire service by definition; she would be called a firewoman.
/r/MensRights03/09/13 09:26 PM
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I am interested in what you think I should have said? I remain for the interests of men, so I look at these issues from a man's perspective. I think it is greatly damaging to men if they approach marriage with a belief that their partner represents any status for them. Perhaps I have a divergent view but I believe men should value themselves for themselves, not cars, houses, money or an attractive partner.
/r/MensRights03/09/13 08:12 AM
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The more of these I see the more I realise some people believe women are incompetent. I do not understand it; you do not inspire someone to be their best by constantly making their effort meaningless or constantly giving them advantage. You give them, instead, a challenge that all compete equally to achieve.
/r/MensRights03/09/13 08:07 AM
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Make a point about the myths regarding rape. Rape is today surrounded by numerous myths. The only valuable part of the OP, although we probably disagree on which myths to debunk.
/r/MensRights03/09/13 08:04 AM
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It is simply a shaming tactic, used to manipulate susceptible men towards the behaviour desired by those who use the phrase. When we can collectively shed our desire for the approval of women, the tactic will fall by the wayside.
/r/MensRights03/09/13 08:02 AM
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Nothing is wrong with them. They don't want to arrest them because they know this may possibly scare actual rape victims away from reporting the crime in case they're not believed and end up arrested themselves. That is an excuse used to absolve women who lie about rape; no facts are used to back up this assertion. Just the appeal to sympathy for real victims.
/r/MensRights03/09/13 07:59 AM
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Human rights aren't something you earn, or are given because you're special. This isn't a competition between genders, and you shouldn't be turning it into one. You are right it isn't a competition. I don't want women to be equal, I demand it of them. No free rides, no special consideration, we're all just people now. Demanding equal behaviour and equal treatment is not making it a competition, it is the opposite.
/r/MensRights03/09/13 07:56 AM
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It's a bit more complicate than that, but blaming men's self-worth for the failure of marriage is rather unfair and even malicious. I consider my self-worth is vested in what I know, do and believe. It is not the product of who I know or who I have a relationship with. Marriage should be a relationship between two people, not an exercise in status building. That is just my opinion of course.
/r/MensRights03/09/13 07:54 AM
1

I would have some stats on hand for some of the issues you believe are key for the MRM. Be prepared to identify the source and debate the effects of the issues you identify. My own list would be Divorce Violence Local DV laws I'd have the following as backup in case the conversation stalls Circumcision Consent laws in your jurisdiction
/r/MensRights02/09/13 04:51 AM
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Recent counter articles pointed out that the XY chromosome pair in men leads to a greater variety in boy offspring due to the lack of masking which occurs in an XX pair. So, either men are doomed or men are vital, changing factors in the human species. Either way I'll be dead before either result is realised, as will the feminists.
/r/MensRights02/09/13 04:47 AM
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That's like saying "our species does not have a neutral race" and then choosing white (or black or asian) as the 'default' race. You're using gendered nouns to 'benefit men' at the expense of women, which is exactly what we're fighting with the reverse. We don't have words that are specific to a race that are used to apply to all men, so that point doesn't apply. You are assuming that by not changing to suit the whim of some women that it offers benefit to men. I'm not arguing that point, my bel…
/r/MensRights02/09/13 04:41 AM
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Do men really base their sense of self worth on a woman, rather than themselves? Its no wonder marriage is a train wreck.
/r/MensRights02/09/13 03:16 AM
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Random women don't deserve my compliments. I keep those for my loved ones.
/r/MensRights02/09/13 03:12 AM
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I understand your proposition but I doubt the end result; that is, even f we do "help out" with this issue it will not benefit men. it will only serve to obscure men even further. I believe the sex-based identifiers are more accurate - fireman and firewoman rather than firefighter for example. Our species does not have a neutral sex, and manufacturing words to pretend there is one seems counterproductive to me.
/r/MensRights02/09/13 03:08 AM
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You're either with me or against me Anyone who makes that demand of me only helps me decide to be against them.
/r/MensRights01/09/13 06:07 AM
1

I wonder sometimes what the scope is for structuring a marriage along the lines of a Limited Liability Company. There might be some careful wording to avoid charges of prostitution, depending on whether it is legal in your state, but it might be a new way of looking at marriage. Particularly the divorce provisions.
/r/MensRights01/09/13 12:37 AM
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Correct. So, since the decision to bring that life into the world rest solely with the woman, so should the responsibility for that child.
/r/MensRights01/09/13 12:27 AM
1

I am offering an example of a current game as an example of how not all games feature only men as targets.
/r/MensRights01/09/13 12:09 AM
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One is a fairy tale, the other is a chilling reality.
/r/MensRights31/08/13 11:10 PM
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Equality. If men can be called names based upon sexual organs so can women. It isn't MRAs fault that popular opinion is sexist. We're doing them a favour and waking them up to what equality looks like.
/r/MensRights31/08/13 11:04 PM
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Part of the desire to eliminate single-sex schools is boys might learn that there are relationships, friendships and team work that works effectively in the absence of women, perhaps more effectively in some cases. The idea that boys and men can be productive without the supervision of women is a dangerous lesson to permit if you are a feminist. My 1-7 grades were in a mixed-sex school. high school (8-12) was an all-boys school, with the majority of teachers being men. I found less disruption of…
/r/MensRights31/08/13 11:01 PM
1

Play APB Reloaded (free) for an hour. There are as many women avatars to kill, mug, run over as men. Both computer generated and player run.
/r/MensRights31/08/13 10:45 PM
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Prevention is better than cure. While the OP found his own peace, he lost a lot to buy that peace. I'd rather not give a woman the opportunity to steal from me in divorce.
/r/MensRights30/08/13 11:29 PM
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It takes effort but a man can break his group bias towards women. The feeling is one of freedom.
/r/MensRights30/08/13 11:22 PM
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Do you believe a boy would be able to consent in this position? No but the courts, media, feminists and society at large certainly seems to think so. This last part isn't really directed at you I guess, but I thought this was what we were working towards and despite the posts that might argue against it this thread is one of the few things that makes me truly second guess where the nature of this movement is going... If a person is hurt enough they will seek revenge. So far, the MRM, as a genera…
/r/MensRights30/08/13 12:43 AM
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Some solid advice. I'm interested in what the success rates are for each approach.
/r/MensRights30/08/13 12:24 AM
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You're obviously talking from a position of someone who's never faced this, and you seem to be opposed to the idea that this actually happens. Funny thing is - that's part of it too. I know it occurs, I am only surprised that you openly admit it in conversation, since it causes you distress. I have experienced some of what you describe and I have developed methods of deflecting or blocking even direct questions. Those people who know me also know there are some questions I will not answer. I hav…
/r/MensRights30/08/13 12:20 AM
1

Wait, say it isn't so! Someone got banned from /r/askFeminists? How could this happen? /s
/r/MensRights30/08/13 12:03 AM
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A character that doesn't need women, is a dangerous image to permit for our boys and men. I am not surprised the feminisation movement would have Batman in its sights.
/r/MensRights29/08/13 11:55 PM
2

Damn, we've been uncovered. /s
/r/MensRights29/08/13 11:49 PM
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You need to be comfortable with yourself as well Need for what exactly? To not be shamed by others? That's just bullshit. Read the whole context; you deserve not to be shamed, that is already a given in this thread. The discussion concerns not being comfortable visiting a prostitute; if you don't feel comfortable with it then its naturally not going to be a solution. the only people who would know if I am celibate or not are my partners My celibacy is visible enough in my appearance. So much, in…
/r/MensRights29/08/13 11:47 PM
1

Legally they cannot give consent (except for in Spain I believe). Intellectually they both can give consent, except adults have decided they will believe boys can consent and girls cannot. What is horrific about sex? Does the age difference really matter? What if it was sex between an 18 year old and a 50 year old? My cynicism reflex can just see how this makes a sort of twisted sense to the rape industry. I do draw solace from the principle that laws will only be changed swiftly if women and gi…
/r/MensRights29/08/13 11:36 PM
1

Which makes it okay to shame and ridicule me? There's a chance an incel person might be ashamed of their incel without outside input, so it's okay to shame and ridicule incels? Not at all. What I mean here is there are more issues than simply social acceptance. You need to be comfortable with yourself as well, which is something you pointed out you are not. In any case, yeah, I am ashamed of myself even without someone actively shaming me. Maybe I would have been so even in a society that doesn'…
/r/MensRights29/08/13 11:29 PM
1

And not punishing liars does not encourage the truth.
/r/MensRights29/08/13 10:52 AM
1

I don't understand why some women believe they deserve treatment they approve of. Part of interacting in society as an adult is taking your lumps, whether you deserve them or not. Life is not fair.
/r/MensRights29/08/13 10:51 AM
1

The actual solution would be to end shaming - accept incels as just people and offer them the same kind of respect that is offered to everyone else. I agree with your ideal but in the current environment I find it an unlikely development. Social change is laborious, while laws can be changed more readily. Prostitutes are a readily available solution and they will trade with incels as much as other people. They don't shame, they are professionals and understand repeat business. Consider, your obj…
/r/MensRights29/08/13 10:47 AM
1

If 14 year old boys can give consent to a "relationship" with a woman teacher then so can a 14 year old girl. Right? This is just equality of the lowest common denominator.
/r/MensRights29/08/13 05:06 AM
2

Somehow a centre for men created by feminists does not fill me with confidence. Do we really need another GMP?
/r/MensRights29/08/13 05:04 AM
2

The solution is legalised prostitution. In my jurisdiction brothels are legal.
/r/MensRights28/08/13 03:04 AM
4

You just have to teach people not to murder. /s
/r/MensRights27/08/13 05:17 AM
13

Weak attempt at shaming masculine sexuality. I'm happy with what I'm attracted to, I don't need a feminist's permission.
/r/MensRights27/08/13 03:27 AM
5

Lipstick is to enhance the appearance of the lips and make them look more attractive. At least that is what I've read.
/r/MensRights26/08/13 05:30 AM
2

Reading local newspapers over the past 20 years. very few Australian judges say controversial things while sitting on the bench. Or, it is possible they do and it isn't reported as widely as when they are retiring. As for the change to perjury, it was a recent change to the Australian Family Court. Oddly enough it attracted very little attention.
/r/MensRights26/08/13 05:29 AM
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They have to. Somehow telling the truth while sitting as a judge is frowned upon. Lying was so frequent in Family Court in Australia that perjury laws no longer apply in Family Court sessions. is it any wonder the accusation rates have increased?
/r/MensRights26/08/13 03:37 AM
1

We really need to get over the idea that sex is disgusting. Sex in public might be inappropriate but hardly revolting.
/r/MensRights26/08/13 03:33 AM
36

My only problem with the reporting is why is it newsworthy that she cried? Women's tears are not an indication of guilt or innocence.
/r/MensRights26/08/13 03:30 AM
18

The cultural norm is some women thinking they deserve free stuff from strangers.
/r/MensRights26/08/13 03:28 AM
10

Parts of the human body have multiple uses; I kiss my lover with my lips but no-one expects me to walk around with tape covering my lips when I'm in public.
/r/MensRights26/08/13 03:27 AM
4

We need to hold each other accountable. From my perspective, the MRM does hold feminism accountable, and the feminists don't like that one bit. In my experience feminism seeks to vilify the MRM, they know so little about us they don't even comprehend how to hold us accountable. A quick history lesson will teach you it is not men versus women. From Hatshepsut to Barack Obama, it is not about men vs. women; but rich vs poor. This might be true about class struggles but how does rich vs poor fit th…
/r/MensRights25/08/13 08:33 AM
11

My response starts with (I paraphrase here): I am a man, Feminism has nothing positive to offer me. The discussion proceeds from there in various forms.
/r/MensRights25/08/13 12:51 AM
2

I'm not participating in /r/mensrights as part of a popularity contest, I don't give a damn about bestof.
/r/MensRights23/08/13 11:07 PM
1

Some elementary biology lessens needed it seems...I see only pictures of vulva's.
/r/MensRights23/08/13 11:05 PM
2

While it is no doubt cold comfort to the former hisbands, the men who have gone into the ambush of marriage before me have left me with enough information to never enter that valley of pain and suffering.
/r/MensRights23/08/13 10:59 PM
1

Are attorneys in US courts allowed to knowingly lie? I understand every accused deserving a proper defence but how far can it go?
/r/MensRights23/08/13 10:58 PM
1

Part of the problem is the men who are subjected to these lies are talked out of pressing charges against their false accuser. If you know a man going through this, support him in making sure his false accuser is prosecuted. Only if criminal penalties apply will the women who freely engage this thins conduct have reason to reconsider the consequences.
/r/MensRights23/08/13 10:55 PM
1

By all means be receptive to emotions but make decisions upon reflection. Emotional decisions are poorly made decisions.
/r/MensRights23/08/13 10:50 PM
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Financially compensated for being incompetent.
/r/MensRights23/08/13 10:49 PM
1

It came true.
/r/MensRights23/08/13 10:34 PM
1

What stops the tracker from being used on women?
/r/MensRights23/08/13 06:24 AM
1

I'm only surprised that the OP is surprised.
/r/MensRights22/08/13 05:33 AM
3

If a woman is threatening me or mine I'll be the judge of whether she warrants being hit. Since I'm not professionally trained in subduing crazy, it will be clumsy and will most likely hurt a lot.
/r/MensRights22/08/13 03:58 AM
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It sounds like a solid case. She broke her terms of the plea deal and now has to face the consequences. Being gay is only a descriptor of her relationship with the underage victim and irrelevant to the case.
/r/MensRights21/08/13 07:04 AM
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At the time they are 6 none, but neither should their testimony be accorded of value equal to an adult. If they have maintained the lie into adulthood and not rectified the situation then as an adult I consider they have committed an offence by omission. The adult that coached the child though should be punished severely - by definition that adult concerned is required to know better.
/r/MensRights21/08/13 06:45 AM
1

If I am afraid in an uncertain situation, it still remains my responsibility to manage my emotional response and deal with the situation myself. Some feminists need to harden up.
/r/MensRights20/08/13 11:35 AM
5

What I think is a bigger priority is dealing with doublespeak and inaccuracy. Agreed.
/r/MensRights20/08/13 11:08 AM
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Part of the reason for the MRM, for me, is to provide men with the tools and understanding to reject the shaming language that is used to influence our behaviour.
/r/MensRights20/08/13 10:36 AM
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If you believe you are a father, conduct your own DNA test with a reputable lab. Then you are the patient and the results belong to you. If you choose to trust the mother then that is your prerogative.
/r/MensRights20/08/13 08:54 AM
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I have read about the false testimony of children, often coached by adults but nonetheless committed by a child. If the child is old enough to testify and place an adult's life in peril then they are old enough to accept the consequences of their actions. I find it interesting the excuses offered for children who lie in court bear a similarity to those offered to some women who lie in court.
/r/MensRights20/08/13 08:50 AM
1

Seven years. In seven more years, my son is going to college and I am divorcing her. I can't fucking wait." Some women don't realise why some men put up with their attitude until it is too late. I admire your friend, for his care of you in a difficult time and for his determination to do well by his children, enduring his marriage only as long as his kids need it.
/r/MensRights20/08/13 08:47 AM
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I have seen this with many of of friends, as soon as they wear the brand of husband, peace from the wife is more important than honesty and an adult relationship. For some it starts almost immediately, for others it has taken several years but eventually the men cave in to the relentless grinding by the wife. If anything, my friends' marriages are the best warning I have ever had.
/r/MensRights19/08/13 08:01 AM
1

Lying about rape is not a mistake, it is a deliberate malicious action.
/r/MensRights19/08/13 07:57 AM
1

While tone policing is generally derided on /r/MensRights, most contributors maintain an awareness of the pitfalls feminism has demonstrated and make an effort not to succumb to the same temptations. In this MR has the advantage of a movement that has degenerated into hate and fear mongering to provide it with an ever-present cautionary tale.
/r/MensRights19/08/13 07:53 AM
1

Well, it is certainly a I told you so moment. Not sure how it matters that it happened to a woman though.
/r/MensRights18/08/13 07:49 AM
9

Given that a dog cannot provide enthusiastic verbal consent, how is this not abuse of a creature incapable of consent to sex with a human?
/r/MensRights18/08/13 07:45 AM
1

The proposition fails because of the mistaken assumption that feminism has anything in common with the MRM.
/r/MensRights18/08/13 02:18 AM
8

Feminism: The fear that normal, healthy people might be enjoying sex somewhere.
/r/MensRights18/08/13 02:09 AM
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Imagine the complaints if the picture was a woman with her brain in her ovaries and a man's brain in his skull. If such an image is offensive then so should this one be.
/r/MensRights18/08/13 02:07 AM
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-MR isn't some misguided counter-movement to women's rights. As long as women's rights is not confused with feminism then you'll not be disappointed. -MR isn't acting on the assumption, or debatable hypothesis, that men are a marginalized group in the society of those who participate in MR advocacy. MR is concerned with specific circumstances where men operate laws that adversely affect them or social constructs that misrepresent them. You can see some of these discussed or outlined in the sideb…
/r/MensRights17/08/13 06:43 AM
1

There is no pressing need to speak to a stranger in a coffee house. The barista, the waiter and so-on sure, but random customers not so much.
/r/MensRights17/08/13 05:22 AM
1

It confirms that Police are useful idiots for the feminist movement and are no allies of the MRM.
/r/MensRights16/08/13 11:34 PM
1

Conservative means different things in different countries. For USAians the closest is probably traditionalists, those who reinforce gender roles and the 1950's mentality. my comment was not meant to be interpreted in light of any political parties. For my part, I do not understand enough of the difference between USA Democrats and Republicans (if there are any) to comment.
/r/MensRights16/08/13 11:12 PM
1

How deep the delusion must go to not recognise the harm implicit in legislation and ideology that is so resolutely anti-man. Even the observation that feminists might have husbands and sons doesn't for a moment crack the facade of what fate they fervently wish upon these men they allegedly love.
/r/MensRights16/08/13 08:19 AM
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Feminism is the dominant point of view in gender discussions. Self-appointed to represent all women it appears, on the surface, to be a reasonable proposition. When these seemingly reasonable people claim any opposition is monstrous, made up of rape apologists and women-haters, it isn't difficult to see why the casual watchers are influenced. It is only when we can drag the evils of feminism into the light so the casual observers can see the ideology in all is deformity of spirit, that we make p…
/r/MensRights16/08/13 04:49 AM
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Until women are harmed my the same legislation that is used to harm men, the conservative and feminist legislators and courts will do nothing. The adult, woman or not, lesbian or not, should face the full, crushing effect of the law applied as if she was a man. Only then will the people in the street care enough to ask questions.
/r/MensRights16/08/13 04:30 AM
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They [men] are potential allies who can be educated and motivated with bystander training to help prevent rape. No. I am not simply an item of utility for keeping women safe. Women are equal, ergo they are responsible for their own safety. If a woman is not one of my loved ones it is in by best interests to leave her to her own fate.
/r/MensRights15/08/13 10:47 PM
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Agreed. Justice is supposed to remove emotion from the retribution society demands, to let clearer heads who are disassociated from the crime decide upon punishment. The idea that an emotion defines reality is anathema to justice.
/r/MensRights15/08/13 12:01 PM
5

Welcome to the internet. An environment where the illusion of anonymity encourages people to behave as they really are, free of the social shackles of accountability. Even more, where a new identity unrelated to previous misdemeanours and online censure is as close as your next free e-mail account.
/r/MensRights15/08/13 11:59 AM
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There is a certain victim olympics value with rape, if it is elevated to the candidacy of the worst crime then the victims of said crime must be the most sorely victimised, the survivors the bravest of survivors and the perpetrators the worst sort of criminal. It makes a sort of perverted sense. When you ignore the fact that some men are raped, and many of their assailants are women, you can then have an unassailable position as queen of the victim hill. Which does nothing at all to help those w…
/r/MensRights15/08/13 11:55 AM
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While Hugo's problems, if true, are saddening there is a valuable lesson to learn from his experiences. Namely that a self-confessed fraud can become remarkably influential in feminist circles.
/r/MensRights15/08/13 08:24 AM
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Admit false accusations occur Recognise the damage of false accusations to the accused Admit men can be raped Recognise the damage to the men who have been raped Work towards gender-neutral legislation defining rape Work towards gender neutral sentencing for rape
/r/MensRights15/08/13 08:13 AM
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From what I've read, no. Judges can decide they don't like the conditions under which the prenup was made (for example the day before the wedding is considered coercion), the conditions of the prenup (you had a better lawyer) or any child support clauses are usually disregarded.
/r/MensRights15/08/13 08:01 AM
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I can understand saving children, some adults have strong emotional reactions to children in danger. If adult women cannot save themselves then it is natural selection in action.
/r/MensRights14/08/13 12:37 PM
11

Big Red has done more for the MRM than she knows, and more than she probably intended.
/r/MensRights14/08/13 12:32 PM
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I have yet to see an argument for marriage that justifies the financial risk; no, love and companionship don't justify it for me.
/r/MensRights14/08/13 12:27 PM
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Why do we permit the legislators to make laws whereby men have to support women who are no longer part of their life? (I would also ask why support women at all). Divorce is supposed to end a relationship, not sort of end a relationship.
/r/MensRights14/08/13 12:26 PM
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It highlights how out of touch with justice the court system is.
/r/MensRights14/08/13 08:07 AM
5

Not worth our time.
/r/MensRights13/08/13 04:46 AM
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How do we re-assess and re-label in a useful and constructive way. Is it to late? Most of the useful ways of renaming feminism would not be flattering. When I say "useful" I mean accurate. There is a gulf of ideology between people who have a casual association with feminism and the committed feminists. However, some of the casual feminists believe the distortions and fabrications presented by committed feminists and thus become willing foot soldiers for a hateful ideology. There is a lot of mon…
/r/MensRights12/08/13 10:53 AM
3

so you just don't care... Care about what specifically?
/r/MensRights12/08/13 07:06 AM
3

Some times human's desire to "fit in" to belong to what they think society is, can be a destructive force. That is why I believe the most important equality is equality before the law. Socially, there will always be people who disagree with the choices of others, but if it is only social then they can be safely ignored.
/r/MensRights12/08/13 04:42 AM
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You are saying your voter status makes you a stake holder in the legislation that governs their uterus, you feel that's your jurisdiction, hence the evolution of the silencing tactic. If I understand you, the silencing tactic is dishonest. I wonder how those employing it expect to get support.
/r/MensRights12/08/13 02:31 AM
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Seems to me like you are overstepping your jurisdiction and into what should be more the jurisdiction of women, this mentality is precisely why the uterus card evolved as a quick silencing tactic. I reject the notion that I can be silenced. I have not predicated any specific answers to the issues, only that when the law is formulated these points, and any other relevant issues, are considered to make the best attempt at creating good legislation. The answers that the community/country decides ar…
/r/MensRights10/08/13 12:23 AM
1

What details do you think men and women need to agree on first? If I am going to lend my vote to support abortion, I think the following would be a good start for discussion: Under what circumstances should abortion be available What is the process of a woman authorising her abortion, is there a cooling off period etc What methods of abortion should be made legal What is the oldest point of foetus maturation at which abortion can be performed If the foetus dies before the legal abortion deadline…
/r/MensRights09/08/13 07:18 AM
1

I am not exposed to it but then I rarely speak to random strangers.
/r/MensRights08/08/13 11:43 AM
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Dialogue does not equal making decisions for women. I want to be able to participate in the discussion about whether abortion should be legal and under what conditions. Once the detail is agreed by women and men then the decision to engage in obtaining an abortion is indeed up to the woman.
/r/MensRights08/08/13 11:36 AM
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It is part of a social stereotyping of men. While we can only influence public opinion, it will be helpful if we are going to effect any real change in legislation.
/r/MensRights08/08/13 11:21 AM
1

The pill for men is not for the reproductive rights and peace of mind of women, but of men. It isn't about women trusting men.
/r/MensRights08/08/13 05:17 AM
1

(I had a read through before this reply) Seems odd that you want to be in the dialogue in the first place. If I am voting for something then I want to know what I am voting for and to be part of the dialogue, so I can be an informed voter. Perhaps I am approaching this whole voting thing incorrectly.
/r/MensRights08/08/13 04:51 AM
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The "vote card" is a valid card. if you cut me out of the dialogue I do not have to vote to support abortion.
/r/MensRights07/08/13 10:07 AM
1

I re-read it just in case I missed something important amidst the drivel. If the key point of the post is indeed the title, then it is a non-event. I am not surprised though that time and money is being wasted on addressing this pointless exercise. Perhaps I need to check my cynicism.
/r/MensRights07/08/13 10:03 AM
1

What the supporting parent chooses to pay. It is my understanding that the family court does not share my view.
/r/MensRights07/08/13 04:12 AM
1

Women regularly cry under a variety of circumstances, what is the point? It is a stress-reaction common to humans. Socially in the west, women are more open to crying than men but it isn't a debilitating condition.
/r/MensRights07/08/13 04:07 AM
1

Ender's Game had a number of significant women characters so their exclusion would not be true to the book(s). Valentine, Ender's sister, is heavily involved in his motivations and so were the few women at Battle School. As for Doctor Who - he is a male character. Changing his sex is unnecessary and would mess with a successful franchise's character dynamic just to please some feminists.
/r/MensRights07/08/13 01:16 AM
6

The one club that women feminists haven't destroyed yet. FTFY
/r/MensRights07/08/13 12:11 AM
2

I'd reply - I support men's rights and I'm getting laid. Next strawman please!
/r/MensRights06/08/13 01:14 PM
1

MGHOW is a life choice for me, it is how I have chosen to respond to an anti-man environment in a manner that satisfies my comfort level, employment desire and standard of living. Discussing the MRM and men's rights, and helping those men I know, is the way I do my activism. MGTOW does not necessarily mean opting out of everything; though it can also mean that for some men in varying degrees.
/r/MensRights06/08/13 01:12 PM
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The value of the statistic may be true depending upon your country of residence, however the cause is the issue. The statistic is misleading in my country as women are paid the same as men, by law, for the same job , experience and qualifications combination. However, women, on average, are more likely to work part time, take time off for child bearing, work in occupations they enjoy but which pay less and retire earlier (although this difference is lessening). So, when you take an average earni…
/r/MensRights06/08/13 01:06 PM
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If we define men within a gender framework, they are first and foremost dominants with characteristics that enable them to remain dominants. This sets the tone for why the rest of the opinion is self-defeating. in Delphy's opinion, men are reduced to being a term for the dominant sex, rather than being recognised as being one of two sexes of the same species that both share the world and, historically, divided up life roles based upon evolutionary strengths. Her definition facilitates oppression…
/r/MensRights04/08/13 05:14 AM
1

Yes, no, yes, yes. Don't really care what others think of my sexuality, it is none of their business.
/r/MensRights04/08/13 04:42 AM
2

Not all horrible human beings are feminists.
/r/MensRights04/08/13 04:38 AM
5

This. My parents came from a background burdened with traditional practices, sometimes nonsensical ones. In the decades since they moved to Australia, they have grown as people and no longer hold many of their dated beliefs. As I grew into an adult, I chose to forgive their mistakes. My parents are only human, though they have performed the tasks of Hercules to raise their family and give them a good start in life. I have never known a state of not being circumcised. I am not angry or repelled a…
/r/MensRights03/08/13 11:47 PM
2

Then perhaps you need to consider searching out a forum on Traditionalism. Traditionalism is worse than feminism, it demands gender roles for men. Women being responsible for their own decisions is not a traditional view. How do my views in the post to which you replied reflect traditionalist views?
/r/MensRights03/08/13 11:42 PM
1

Feminism doesn't offer anything MRAs want or need, why would there be any point in debating them? The people who are important to the MRM are the non-aligned, those people who believe in equality but are not tainted by feminist ideology.
/r/MensRights03/08/13 01:42 PM
2

a) Children do need to be cared for. Children without proper financial support will result in increased delinquency, increased crime, etc. The question of who cares for them is of importance. If the child is not conceived in a steady relationship, with the consent of both partners then the responsibility for the child's welfare rests with the person whose body it gestates in. If a mother can choose to abort, she can also choose to be responsible for the child. It is grossly unequal for an adult …
/r/MensRights03/08/13 01:14 PM
13

There are regulations governing superannuation contributions in Australia that determine minimum amounts that employers contribute and maximum amounts that employees contribute before additional tax is incurred. All contributions are described as a percentage of your gross pay. Until now, men and women were treated equally under the laws governing superannuation. The reason women have less savings is they choose to work in jobs that pay less and they take time ff work and / or work part time. In…
/r/MensRights02/08/13 02:44 AM
1

Feminism doesn't have anything useful to contribute to men's rights.
/r/MensRights02/08/13 02:26 AM
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Maternity leave is not an issue, men in Australia now have access to paternity leave. The problem is this agreement means a man and a woman doing the same job at this company, the woman gets paid more by the company; the article says the company will pay 2% more, and super is part of a pay package. They just created a wage gap. I guess in this one instance it is now real.
/r/MensRights02/08/13 02:19 AM
1

I think a more equitable solution would be to raise the voluntary contribution ceiling by 2% for all workers. Those women, and men, who wish to save more for retirement could then do so without higher taxation. Edit: I was looking at this as a whole-of-employment issue, not just one company. In the case of this one company, I think the men have made a mistake they may regret later.
/r/MensRights02/08/13 02:09 AM
1

Good point, other than the monarch the individual probably has to be dead.
/r/MensRights02/08/13 02:02 AM
1

That whole bit about "duties to women" as being from the "age of chivalry" is a bunch of revisionist bullshit -- a redefinition and reinterpretation of it that came about during the the modern "romantic era". I kept my point brief and certainly did not refer to the romantic ideals of chivalry which was simply the stuff of stories. The compact was a development of a noble class watching out for the women of their class in return for the women fulfilling their allotted responsibilities. I did not …
/r/MensRights01/08/13 09:10 AM
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Original chivalry was part of a social compact between noble men and noble women; it did not apply to commoners. Despite the Princess principle, the majority of women and men are commoners and do not classify for having a right to chivalry. Commoners were also not required to exhibit chivalry. The modern version of chivalry, the gentlemanly virtues, are also part of a social compact and applied only to ladies; common slatterns were not entitled to gentlemanly courtesy. The ladies, in turn, had t…
/r/MensRights01/08/13 03:32 AM
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Gynocentricity - premiership of women's issues as above/more important than those of men; promotion of legislation that benefits women and directly or indirectly harms men.
/r/MensRights01/08/13 03:18 AM
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As an MGHOW, I don't think of women as the enemy, only feminists. Women can be good friends and associates but I choose not to marry one. Even amongst MGTOW there are shades of principle.
/r/MensRights01/08/13 03:16 AM
1

I don't think it is productive to assume it is because they think feminists will have sex with them. Some men are raised to believe feminism is good and right and true, it is difficult to break the conditioning.
/r/MensRights01/08/13 03:14 AM
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One of the aspects of my high schooling I value the most was attending an all-boys school. The majority of teachers were men; a very different environment to my neighbourhood friends who attended a mixed school with predominantly women teachers.
/r/MensRights31/07/13 01:16 AM
1

Are women going to suffer when Western forces leave Afganistan? Absolutely. I'm not sure why men of countries other than Afghanistan should care. "Because of the women" is as lame an excuse as "think of the children". Invading another country so you can impose your own, broken, social mores upon a different culture should be reviled in this modern age.
/r/MensRights30/07/13 09:57 PM
1

My last comment was /s. I'm pretty sure the principle is British women for their currency. What would be amazing would be to have someone like Erin Pizzey on a note.
/r/MensRights30/07/13 09:54 PM
1

Is it ok, for a male to hit an female if the female hits the male first? My opinion is yes. The consequences may vary depending upon your jurisdiction. In mine self-defence is permitted by law.
/r/MensRights30/07/13 09:45 PM
1

While physically the same person, she is politically a different head of state when she is the Queen of Canada compared to, say, the Queen of Australia (as is true of the other Constitutional Monarchies of the Commonwealth). While she obtained her position by birth, she is an example of a woman in politics who works damn hard and I believe, apart from being Queen, she deserves a place on the currency imo. I am surprised they chose a woman for their new note known for literature over say a scient…
/r/MensRights30/07/13 09:25 PM
2

I would make a list for yourself and rank the importance of each point. For example Financial security Having a roof over your head Fulfilling the expectations of your church Desire to get married Desire for sex Your feeling of the strength of religious ban against extra-marital sex You will probably think of more. it won't give you an answer but it might help you decide what is more important for you.
/r/MensRights30/07/13 02:08 PM
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I like my penis, my dad gave it to me.
/r/MensRights30/07/13 01:57 PM
1

Why is the opinion of a statement about women more compelling from a woman than a person. If the statement has merit does it need a gendered reinforcement?
/r/MensRights30/07/13 10:50 AM
1

I really don't know what duties Her Majesty has. For the UK she is required to read and sign all acts of parliament since she is the head of state (look up the Queen's Red Boxes). There is a BBC series dealing with the correspondence she and her Ladies in Waiting deal with every day as well as all the business of the Commonwealth.
/r/MensRights30/07/13 10:49 AM
1

Contrary to what some people believe, the Queen works damn hard. She is a woman who deserves to be on the currency. An author of fiction, not so much.
/r/MensRights30/07/13 05:12 AM
1

Violence against women, in this context is code for rape. Feminists believe men are incapable of not raping a woman or child they find attractive. it is disturbing when you realise they are projecting their own sick fantasies onto men.
/r/MensRights30/07/13 04:59 AM
1

I'm not sure "feminist" and "educated" should appear in the same sentence as a general principle. Warren Farrell is an exception that proves the rule.
/r/MensRights30/07/13 04:56 AM
1

The MRM has differing ideas of how to spread the word. One aspect though that is not appreciated is tone policing; that is, telling the MRM how they should deliver their message. Whether it is fair or not, feminists are notorious for tone policing and it is usually met with disdain by MRAs.
/r/MensRights30/07/13 04:53 AM
1

Why does it matter if you are a woman? Or rather, why doesn't it matter that you are a person? How does your sex make your point any more valid or invalid?
/r/MensRights30/07/13 04:50 AM
1

The traditionalists feel marriage means husbands and wives must share in decision making. Where it becomes a problem is where people who are not married are deemed incapable of making an informed decision. Shop around. More enlightened medical professionals understand individual agency better than the traditionalists.
/r/MensRights30/07/13 04:43 AM
1

Also that these special humans, called mothers, always have an excuse to not be held accountable for their monstrous acts.
/r/MensRights30/07/13 04:33 AM
1

Equality before the law has the presumption that the laws are just. Modern western society being what it is, if women are harmed by an unjust law it will be addressed more rapidly than if the unjust law only affects men. Thus equality is simply the first step, and the easier option when compared to the fruitless endeavour of discussing unfairness to men. Society simply does not care, no matter how much they lie about it.
/r/MensRights30/07/13 04:32 AM
1

I say sorry for actions that are mine for which I am regretful. The emotional immaturity of others is not my fault nor my responsibility to address.
/r/MensRights30/07/13 04:28 AM
2

What I also took from Cromartie's comment was never trust those who claim to be your leaders.
/r/MensRights29/07/13 10:13 PM
2

Is felony gang assault a more serious crime or is it simply descriptive of a type of assault?
/r/MensRights29/07/13 09:43 PM
2

If you disagree with feminism expect to be banned from /r/feminism. That sub is not one for free speech or critical analysis but for reinforcing doctrinal beliefs. I'm not sure why MRAs continue to bait /r/feminism. I think we've pretty much established they censor comments, we've even had a mod from that sub come and explain how they censor comments, with the attendant rationalisations. Since feminism offers men no practical or useful solutions we could try a different approach and ignore them.
/r/MensRights29/07/13 09:40 PM
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The young are usually given a little leeway to make statements or take actions that more mature adults think are foolish, it is part of growing up. Considering the young man has had 16 years of being told what to think by media and teachers, he will have the opportunity to see the world from first-hand experience in the next few years. He may very well find it to be different from the image presented in the glossy propaganda and we might be welcoming another deprogrammed MRA.
/r/MensRights29/07/13 09:35 PM
1

They are equivalent but they are not the same. The idea needs a process of disclosure so that fathers who want to be involved in their child's life can be and those that do not can opt out. It also needs to consider the differences, if any, for unmarried and married men.
/r/MensRights29/07/13 12:41 PM
13

In my jurisdiction it varies very much by individual doctor. The younger ones consider it only to be a choice for the man concerned, it is the older, more traditional ones who think it is any business of a woman whether a man gets a vasectomy or not.
/r/MensRights29/07/13 10:42 AM
4

Feminism is being recognised as the hateful ideology it is, I think it should keep its name and own the actions that have earned it the revulsion of more people every day.
/r/MensRights29/07/13 06:12 AM
2

I surmise the sub 'Murica does not heavily censor or ban disagreement in the same fashion feminist forums do?
/r/MensRights28/07/13 09:57 PM
3

To be a part of a feminist forum, you have to be a feminist, which is not synonymous with equality.
/r/MensRights28/07/13 01:05 PM
1

I prefer "only yes means yes". Anything else I will interpret as no.
/r/MensRights28/07/13 01:00 PM
2

I choose not to be an ally to a hate movement. If feminists fear me it is their problem, not mine.
/r/MensRights28/07/13 12:55 PM
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So, using the OP's logic, when women feel they have been exposed to misogyny should just take a breath and move on.
/r/MensRights26/07/13 10:50 PM
3

I realise that, despite its obvious influence, feminism is not as widely supported as feminists would like you to believe. The majority of people do not identify with feminism. I take each new person as they present themselves, I choose not to fraternise with those who identify themselves as feminists.
/r/MensRights25/07/13 09:12 PM
14

I prefer random swapping of infants at hospital without informing the mother. If it doesn't matter to a father that the child is not his, why would it matter to a mother?
/r/MensRights25/07/13 09:00 PM
2

The two movements should really be united not divided. Based upon what evidence? From what I've read and observed the two movements are not alike.
/r/MensRights25/07/13 03:51 AM
1

Is /r/TheRedPill important in some manner to /r/MensRights ? Have I misunderstood something?
/r/MensRights25/07/13 12:47 AM
1

Women do not automatically add credibility or worthwhile contributions to thought just because they are women. When women contribute as much as the named men, they'll be recognised.
/r/MensRights25/07/13 12:18 AM
1

We are as free as our choices lead us to be. Let no-one judge your value other than yourself.
/r/MensRights25/07/13 12:04 AM
2

I would be as distrustful of it as I am of the GMP. "Good" and "evil" are frequently only points of view determined by ideology.
/r/MensRights24/07/13 10:32 PM
1

I suggest you might consider that your self-worth should not depend upon the actions or words of random strangers. He did not speak with you, demand ID or do anything to interfere with you. Your thoughts concerning his attention are what caused you to feel pressured. In the final analysis he left you alone.
/r/MensRights24/07/13 10:30 PM
2

Is it illegal for the accused to report the name of his accuser? After all, he must know who lodged the accusation against him.
/r/MensRights24/07/13 10:19 PM
15

I think 'a Schwyzer" should be our go-to insult, with Hugo being patient zero.
/r/MensRights24/07/13 09:25 PM
4

As long as we continue to accept guilty until proven innocent this rubbish will continue. Hyde should tell the team to get knotted and play for a team that isn't morally bankrupt.
/r/MensRights24/07/13 09:15 PM
1

There are days when I wish I could credibly deny I was a human.
/r/MensRights24/07/13 04:27 AM
0

I suspect helping women to bridge the workplace death gap is frowned upon in polite society. /s
/r/MensRights24/07/13 04:21 AM
5

GMP serves a useful purpose for the MRM, it is a clear demonstration of why more feminism will not adequately address men's issues.
/r/MensRights24/07/13 03:03 AM
1

Rape culture is a misleading term. It doesn't refer to actual rape. It refers to a system of beliefs and practices that promote the sexual objectification of women while simultaneously repressing male sexual accountability. It's the idea that a men are animals who can't control their urges and so women should "dress modestly" and "be careful" so as not to "provoke them." This system of thought naturally leads to what you would call "victim blaming" in cases of rape. Which is why it's called rape…
/r/MensRights24/07/13 02:47 AM
2

Feminism is an ever-changing and multifaceted school of thought. Suffragettes just wanted to vote. Suffragettes wanted wealthy women to have access to voting in the same manner as their wealthy husbands; men who had the vote because of being land holders. The majority of men could not vote when the Suffragettes started their campaigns and, despite revisionist history, Suffragettes didn't want common women to have the vote. So is rape culture (unfortunate term). The rape of women draws ridiculous…
/r/MensRights23/07/13 11:08 PM
1

Feminism != Women, ergo dislike of Feminism is not misogyny.
/r/MensRights23/07/13 10:31 PM
4

Correct.
/r/MensRights23/07/13 09:18 PM
1

Please tell me we are not going to obsess over the "female gaze".
/r/MensRights22/07/13 08:55 AM
1

Imagine if it was suggested that the answer to all problems women experience is more patriarchy.
/r/MensRights22/07/13 08:51 AM
3

So what does it mean if I am a man and I like the company of women but I don't need it?
/r/MensRights22/07/13 08:47 AM
2

Some women have to stop hitting men. Women are half the DV problem.
/r/MensRights22/07/13 08:44 AM
1

This would require the jury to have perfect information though. Otherwise you are equally advocating letting guilty rapists go based on exculpatory evidence that doesn't exist. After all how else will the jury know when to nullify or not? Or perhaps the goal was to let everyone free until the laws change? Fat chance of that, and plenty of "MRAs want to let rapists go free" accusations to boot. Yes. The principle is that if the trial is not a fair and honest one then innocent and guilty should be…
/r/MensRights22/07/13 12:49 AM
2

It is better to persuade them than to destroy them. Having ex-feminists, especially ex-radfems, speak against their former ideologies increases the legitimacy the MRA. Hostility will just create greater animosity between ex-fems and the MRA and they will be less likely to speak for MRA. I agree there are propaganda points in it but that doesn't mean we should trust them. First we try, then we trust.
/r/MensRights20/07/13 07:29 AM
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Good to see the judge is interested in equality before the law.
/r/MensRights20/07/13 01:46 AM
1

Follow the money.
/r/MensRights19/07/13 11:52 PM
3

The premise was, since rape trials in the US are stacked against accused men with exculpatory evidence denied, a rape trial was not actually a trial but a kangaroo court. As such it was not just and jury nullification was a moral option.
/r/MensRights19/07/13 11:39 PM
0

I think this is a Trojan Horse. 5.) How can I help a radical feminist see the light? Be gentle with them. Just like any exclusionary ideology, taking a hostile approach just makes them more isolated and insular (and "confirms" in their mind that they are being oppressed). No. Being gentle with your enemies is a losing proposition. They will not be gentle with you.
/r/MensRights19/07/13 11:34 PM
3

If you are a feminist, you adhere to a belief system that has, as its foundation, the hatred of men. Anything after that is simply worthless window dressing.
/r/MensRights19/07/13 11:23 PM
2

The isolated incidents present a pattern that western society, media, courts and feminists deny exists. Women are only human, capable of benign and malign acts, they do not exist in a default state of innocence.
/r/MensRights19/07/13 05:23 AM
1

Agreed. We have to decide if it is the sort of discrimination that ought to be illegal or is acceptable. I believe the latter as a freedom of trading. It does become an interesting idea if white customers got a discount and coloured did not.
/r/MensRights18/07/13 08:00 AM
3

That's not really bodily autonomy as his body isn't being essentially harmed . Money is being exacted of him, I consider that financial autonomy. The money comes from his labour; he is forced to hand over the fruits of his effort. Not being required to work for another person's benefit is a bodily autonomy issue. Forced labour is generally frowned upon in civilised countries.
/r/MensRights18/07/13 07:58 AM
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It's not really bodily autonomy for the male except insofar as he is free to have sex as he pleases (with consenting partners of course), however it's more that his liberty is respected and preserved. It is bodily autonomy when a man, against his will, is subject to a legally enforced requirement that he work for the woman's monetary benefit. Save for taxes, the man's money belongs to him. Unless he willingly chooses to support the mother and child. In no way is it just for a woman to make a dec…
/r/MensRights18/07/13 04:36 AM
5

Then let those women find a man willing to breed with them.
/r/MensRights18/07/13 04:29 AM
13

but to find joy in other's misery is creepy to me...especially when there's a child in the picture that never did anything to anyone. Shaming language is a poor reply to a just outcome. The only person whose behaviour is reprehensible is the mother, but no you have to after the blameless man. Why don't you think the mother is creepy for shopping around for a father?
/r/MensRights18/07/13 04:28 AM
8

In my state in Australia, Taxis are not permitted to operate without 24/7 security cameras. This is for the protection of the drivers as well as the passengers.
/r/MensRights18/07/13 04:22 AM
6

With completely no stats to back up her bigoted argument, Marcotte dismisses men being forced into fatherhood as rare and men tampering with a woman's birth control as common. Strike the BS abuse clause, that false accusation is so rampant in Australia there are no longer penalties for perjury in the Family Court. It would invalidate the rest of the process to make it as worthless as a feminist looking into a men's issue.
/r/MensRights18/07/13 04:16 AM
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It is discrimination. The question is whether it is illegal discrimination and whether it can be addressed.
/r/MensRights18/07/13 04:12 AM
2

Unfortunately, much as I hate to agree with feminists, I agree with this. (Not saying you're feminist, 4man. Would never stoop so low). I appreciate your consideration :)
/r/MensRights18/07/13 04:10 AM
3

So when two adults engage in consensual sex, birth control fails, and there is an unplanned pregnancy, if the woman is in a financially tough situation she has to either abort or give up the baby, or be totally responsible for it on her own? That doesn't seem right. The woman has these choices. Her selected option should not be permitted to violate the bodily autonomy of the man. It is entirely possible the man will desire to support his child and be a part of its life, he may even wish a relati…
/r/MensRights18/07/13 04:09 AM
2

I am disappointed the offender (the mother) was not depicted as handcuffed and in the back of the cop car. Mothers don't forget their child is in the back seat, they leave them there deliberately.
/r/MensRights17/07/13 11:30 PM
3

I don't mind being feared, a stranger's emotions are not my responsibility. I do mind those fears made into unjust laws.
/r/MensRights17/07/13 09:29 PM
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No. This would be a violation of bodily autonomy. Rather than seeking to reduce bodily autonomy of women we should seek to increase such for men. As long as a man who does not wish to have a child is not required to participate in the child's life emotionally or monetarily then his bodily autonomy is observed. What the women chooses to do with her body remains her responsibility.
/r/MensRights17/07/13 09:06 PM
5

No, marriage is not bad for men. This is technically correct; the conditions for men when they are divorced after marriage is what is bad. Since an unmarried man cannot be divorced by definition, the only way to avoid the ruination that is divorce in some western countries is to remain unmarried. Edit: typo
/r/MensRights17/07/13 05:47 AM
1

Clinton's position on circumcision
/r/MensRights17/07/13 01:06 AM
4

I definitely understand what you are saying, but I disagree simply because women experience the majority of domestic violence, therefore the idea will work just fine because it is focusing on the target audience. In my jurisdiction, the majority of domestic violence is reciprocal with both partners receiving comparable rates and severity of injury. Luckily this is not an initiative for my jurisdiction because it would be ignoring half the problem.
/r/MensRights16/07/13 05:31 AM
1

Short answer: No. Long answer: No, but girl power would like you to believe women are better at everything.
/r/MensRights16/07/13 05:18 AM
8

If they don't like his language, work with someone else.
/r/MensRights16/07/13 05:06 AM
6

I like the initiative but not that it is presented in a gendered manner. it is a bad start and does not bode well for the future of the idea.
/r/MensRights16/07/13 05:04 AM
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I took my daughter to the playground at a local park the other and was faced with seething glares and pure suspicion, as if I was there purely to steal their kids. I am sorry you experienced this treatment. I have been questioned by woman stranger when I was supervising my cousins playing in their local park. It is a chilling experience to realise you are hated for what you are not.
/r/MensRights16/07/13 04:56 AM
1

The problem with this analogy is that your joke is usually used to express a personal preference, and The OP's post doesn't do that. That is a fair point. As I said to /u/fia_bui, I think the "joke" is unfunny to us because it is a sign of a deeper social bias.
/r/MensRights16/07/13 04:50 AM
1

This sign comes somewhere in between. Yes, it's tongue in cheek marketing, but it's tongue in cheek marketing somewhere men are supposed to foot the bill. I agree, I think it is perhaps too close to the bone to be funny to those of us who are aware of the issues men face. I do not mean to minimise your concern, I may very well be given the vendor too much slack. I guess in the scheme of things to me, this is of lesser concern than the "Don't be that Guy" posters (as an example).
/r/MensRights16/07/13 04:48 AM
5

The majority of men are not like Leonard in the film Memento. We can remember yesterday, we can recall our childhood. We have no difficulty in understanding, believing and internalising the idea that rape is an evil act. Feminist posters are not necessary, nor do they have the slightest impact upon rapists. By definition, criminals break the laws of their society.
/r/MensRights16/07/13 01:42 AM
4

Some feminists believe men are slow learners. They have missed the WE GET IT ALREADY, shouted from the rooftops. They just seemingly cannot grasp that criminals are what they are because they break society's laws.
/r/MensRights16/07/13 01:23 AM
14

It seems like the joke answer to "How do you like your coffee? To which the answer is "Like my women..." with variations depending on the actual brew. I'm not sure it is a serious issue, I think it is tongue-in-cheek advertising.
/r/MensRights16/07/13 01:19 AM
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I agree, I'm glad to see the effort made to include dads. it is a sad sign of the times that "family" doesn't automatically include all parents. It is also possible it is to head off any complaints from over-reactive mothers. I'm thinking of the experiences some dads have reported when being with their children at playgrounds and the sometimes hostile reactions from mothers to a man being present.
/r/MensRights16/07/13 01:15 AM
3

It is an interesting approach. As a child, when my two sisters and I did chores, few were divided by gender, most were not. We got paid the same amount, the chores were not assigned an individual value. We were expected to complete our chores and we could swap them amongst ourselves if we chose.
/r/MensRights16/07/13 01:11 AM
1

If you want to talk about reproductive abuse, then talk about reproductive abuse. If you are objecting to the term, then I can see your point. The example I gave is what bothers me about the "hysteria" surrounding the "myth" of spermjacking, specifically that any woman who happens to get pregnant when her partner doesn't want a child, is a woman who's reproductive abusing her partner. I think it reflects the articles I've seen recently of men accused of tampering with birth control as well. The …
/r/MensRights16/07/13 12:44 AM
1

I agree it is not a pandemic, but it is an issue. I disagree that anger at the conduct of a woman, or some women, is misogyny though. Unless there is actual hatred of women expressed, some women can be criticised without it being hatred of all women. Hatred of one woman for real or imagined acts is not hatred of all women and is not misogyny imo. When a woman, or some women, act in an unconscionable manner, they can and should be called on it. In a fashion I see you are doing the same for some m…
/r/MensRights15/07/13 09:51 PM
3

I do not mind a programme like this for women and I eagerly await the programme for men.
/r/MensRights15/07/13 12:13 PM
2

Then welcome, and I look forward to good debates and discussions with you.
/r/MensRights15/07/13 12:11 PM
1

Protip: it doesn't just mean she said yes. Protip: Save for the exception of some feminists and lesbians, women desire sex, though certainly on their own terms. It is consent if a woman, or a man, says yes - that is the definition of consent. Most women are not as weak nor as immature as some feminists would like to believe.
/r/MensRights15/07/13 10:32 AM
2

Though Spermjack_attack was adopted as a username because I was upset about the misogyny built into the concept of "spermjacking," A woman inseminates herself with sperm from a man who clearly did not want children from the sexual encounter, and you think this is misogyny? I think you need a better dictionary.
/r/MensRights15/07/13 05:15 AM
1

There seems to a bias in the question structure. Sex is not always about power yet the questions concerning sexual relations seem to only take in a dominant/submissive/power dynamic. There didn't seem to be any options for meeting your partner on equal terms. I hold grave suspicions about this survey.
/r/MensRights15/07/13 05:02 AM
3

If they did use a source, say the Australian Bureau of Statistics and its Personal Safety Survey, they'd look like idiots. So, better to pretend real data doesn't exist.
/r/MensRights15/07/13 04:41 AM
2

Having different types of feminism doesn't seem to change the outcome for men.
/r/MensRights15/07/13 04:39 AM
2

Okay. Say I grant that the feminist movement, the ... for lack of a better word...establishment form of the feminist movement is "bad". How does complaining about how bad feminists are fix the problems that need to be fixed? See the comment below. "when feminists get involved." Nice quip. good for karma, I guess. but where does it get us? Part of the source of the problems is the feminist dialogue, it does not help with men's issues, in some cases it actively makes them worse. By continuously an…
/r/MensRights15/07/13 04:22 AM
2

Just because I bitch about something, doesn't mean I can't handle it. And who says learning and growing has to always be a pleasant experience? Every few days we get feminists coming to this subreddit to try to tone police. If you are here for legitimate reasons then I welcome you. Too many though think the MRM will change to suit them.
/r/MensRights15/07/13 04:11 AM
6

When more men analyse the valueless currency which is the generalised approval of women, rather than the specific approval of some women, we might make some progress. Until then some men will do self-destructive things while getting pointless rewards.
/r/MensRights15/07/13 01:50 AM
3

I came to this reddit to read real discussions, serious discussions, on the issues of Men's rights. I'm a feminist. That means I believe that we're all equal. Feminism, and feminists, are not viewed in this subreddit as honest in their stated claims of seeking equality. Debates about what "equality" means aside, what prominent feminists say they believe, and what prominent feminist organisations actually do, are not in synch. You might genuinely believe in equality, the movement you belong to de…
/r/MensRights15/07/13 01:41 AM
3

I don't understand the point of shadowbanning, why not just ban someone who has done something the mods deem banworthy? Is it a method used to avoid confrontation?
/r/MensRights15/07/13 01:04 AM
1

but it all created an environment where we felt compelled to protect them. Isn't this something we need to inform our soldiers about? Unless you were ordered to give the women special protection, they should have been treated like everyone else. The life of a woman soldier is no more valuable than a man soldier. The women don't have some specialist knowledge, some esoteric means of winning an engagement or knowledge of operational details more valuable than what the men do. No one wants to see d…
/r/MensRights14/07/13 11:27 PM
0

eliminates the security that "random" affords against institutional bias. If this was the case, Judges terms of appointment would be a lot shorter, to reduce their institutional bias. if a Judge can be appointed until retirement, why not a professional juror? The same thing would happen with the justice system where all rape cases = 7 years, all theft 1 year, with very few exceptions deviating from the established and slowly trending average. I think consistency in appraising evidence based upon…
/r/MensRights14/07/13 11:08 PM
9

Toxic Femininity: Australian feminists need to be taught they should not force their bigoted stereotypes upon people.
/r/MensRights14/07/13 09:26 PM
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Professionally trained jurors. In any other endeavour that involves risk to human health or life, we expect a properly trained professional. Yet the courts still rely on amateurs. In my jurisdiction, anyone who is knowledgeable about the law or court rooms by virtue of their profession is automatically exempt from jury service. We don't accept amateur judges and magistrates. We don't accept amateur police. We heavily discourage amateur lawyers (self-representation). For some reason amateur juror…
/r/MensRights14/07/13 09:24 PM
1

Seems a straight forward sign to me.
/r/MensRights14/07/13 09:47 AM
2

Fear is an emotional reaction upon the part of the person experiencing the fear. If an individual is afraid it is their responsibility to manage that fear at the time and remove themselves from their source of fear. It is the fearful person's responsibility because it is their emotional response. In my experience, westerners experience fear at an irrational level, often for mundane reasons. What I see time and again is men being expected to change their behaviour, even when it is innocent, becau…
/r/MensRights14/07/13 09:36 AM
5

Why are women not raised to be capable, self-confident and able to defend themselves? This constant fall-back of she is afraid is really getting old. A woman's fear is not a man's problem to solve.
/r/MensRights14/07/13 12:33 AM
2

It is a vast improvement over the usual feminist-inspired dreck in the MSM but Venker still considers one effect of the war on men to be "lack of marriageable men". I think she's wrong, it is a reduction in men who are prepared to step onto the treadmill of marriage. In a fairer, equal environment, there are plenty of marriageable men. In the current environment, some marriageable men are saying no to the unacceptable risk to their health and financial future that marriage poses.
/r/MensRights14/07/13 12:02 AM
7

/r/MensRights isn't your local thought police. I suggest you argue back with some informed points and communicate with your fiancé about the issues he raises. You are equal to him after all, if he makes points such as you suggest it should be easy to dispute them. Becoming a feminist junkie is a poor alternative, you will need to abandon all critical thinking capabilities and you seem to still want to approach the world in a rational manner.
/r/MensRights13/07/13 11:35 PM
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Venker still misses the point. There is not a lack of marriageable men, there is a reducing number of men who are prepared to get married under the outdated marriage model. She claims men do not form groups when faced with adversity, I suspect this is simply to avoid admitting how the MRM is villified when men do form a group to address issues.
/r/MensRights13/07/13 11:20 PM
1

The answer to the damage affirmative action has created is not more affirmative action.
/r/MensRights13/07/13 01:48 PM
4

Some feminists do not understand that the MRM is not going to ask their permission to address issues that affect men.
/r/MensRights13/07/13 01:39 PM
2

A woman politician removes the Australian Prime Minister with a party spill and becomes PM in his place . A man politician removes the Australian Prime Minister with a party spill and becomes PM in her place. They both removed their competitor using the same legal process. Somehow Anne Summers thinks this is unfair.
/r/MensRights13/07/13 01:33 PM
5

How can it be a real challenge when the women are given a head start? That isn't an equal race by definition.
/r/MensRights13/07/13 12:34 AM
2

Condoms are not 100%, even when correctly used. I used to believe a correctly used condom was 100% but even straight out of the packet they can have imperfections/holes large enough for sperm to get through. Condoms by their appearance and nature give men a false sense of security. The male pill won't be 100% either but the more options used the less the chance of unwanted pregnancy.
/r/MensRights12/07/13 11:55 PM
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The real source of objection to the MRE posters is loss of perceived control of the dialogue by feminist interests. If another group is presenting information concerning the perspective of men, it is harder to minimise their experience and to redirect attention back upon the women. Further, the points made by MRE are harder to refute as they use the same posters for communication. There will always be those who pitch a fit whenever an issue that touches a nerve is confronted head on. This could …
/r/MensRights12/07/13 11:44 PM
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The kid was a boy, so the infanticide of baby girls in China doesn't really relate to this case. The protection of boys and the rights of men is very much /r/MensRights.
/r/MensRights12/07/13 11:07 AM
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Entrapment of a man into an unwanted pregnancy is not considered an illegal act. It is one of the issues that will be ameliorated when the male pill hits the market.
/r/MensRights12/07/13 05:37 AM
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Until we can change the public perception, so that society admits some women are perpetrators and some men are their victims, the MRM will continue to provide an essential counter to the feminist and traditionalist dialogue that seems incapable of conceiving of a woman as a villain. Too much is vested in the emotional issue of protecting women and far too little in the rational appraisal of every day data that demonstrates all women are not always innocent all of the time.
/r/MensRights12/07/13 05:29 AM
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A criminal telling lies. What is the world coming to.
/r/MensRights11/07/13 11:11 PM
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I think we need to reclaim misogynist - is is clearly used to mean clear and rational thinker. We need to march through he streets in our underwear to raise awareness. /s
/r/MensRights11/07/13 10:18 PM
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Consider the legal precedent. if a man now complains to the RCMP that his wife is abusing him and they fail to take the complaint seriously, he can freely hire a hitman to kill his wife. Based on other news articles it will be easier on the man than going through a divorce. I see a thriving business opportunity here. Edit: typo
/r/MensRights11/07/13 10:00 PM
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If all men need to be informed via the medium of public posters not to date rape, then all women need to be informed via the medium of public posters not to falsely accuse.
/r/MensRights11/07/13 09:55 PM
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For me the point that she supposedly has no experience in gaming is more important than her being a woman. However, it is SOP for media that any criticism of a woman must be due to her being a woman.
/r/MensRights11/07/13 09:49 PM
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The journalist completely misses the point, the posters are not satirical. None of the MSM commentary is willing, or able, to face the portion of the dialogue concerning false accusations. As usual, only danger to women matters.
/r/MensRights11/07/13 09:40 PM
1

It is a feature of human tribalism, if you adopt a name you adopt the good and the bad reputation. It is true for social groups, political affiliations, religious groups. While not all Christians are Westboro Baptist, they are a faction of Christianity and they demonstrate what can happen when that religion is taken too far. The RadFems are the Westboro Baptists to the Feminist movement, except the RadFems have greater influence on public policy so they are the legislative face of feminism, the …
/r/MensRights11/07/13 09:34 PM
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While less antagonism from both sides would avoid wasting effort, having a movement for each sex is workable. Our western society tends towards the adversarial, politics, courts, social movements. That is why figures such as Ghandi are considered exemplary, he could take a middle ground while still striving for their cause. I prefer men's rights to focus on men-positive issues. What feminists do, or do not do, really isn't important to the cause of advancing the MRM.
/r/MensRights11/07/13 09:19 PM
2

Having a stable relationship to have children used to be a solid reason to get married. In the 21st century though, not so much.
/r/MensRights11/07/13 06:09 AM
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I agree but that leads to the part of the conversation pro-choice don't like - that abortions are being performed for the convenience of the mother. essentially abortion for some women is the last ditch contraception option. When abortion is viewed this way, votes are lost. The premise of abortion is for the benefit of the mother, which isn't quite the same as for the convenience of the mother. I am pro-choice, I am comfortable with the idea of abortions for women. I want similar options for men…
/r/MensRights11/07/13 06:07 AM
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The major feminist lobby groups don't share your opinion of what feminism is. Perhaps the feminists who believe as you do should tell them to stop representing you so poorly in social discourse.
/r/MensRights11/07/13 06:00 AM
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Feminists don't have answers for men's issues and it is naive to believe they would. Their advocacy and their scholarship has a focus on women. This is where the MRM steps up with its focus on men.
/r/MensRights11/07/13 05:57 AM
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If the of "don't be that girl" posters are offensive, then so are the "don't be that guy" posters. Interesting how complaints were not reported concerning offensive comments about men.
/r/MensRights11/07/13 02:18 AM
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Perhaps I misunderstand, for me sexism is wrong. However I know that, in my jurisdiction, some types of sexism are legal. Just because something is legal though, doesn't make it right. Edit: removed confusing negative
/r/MensRights10/07/13 10:21 PM
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It is sexist. The question remains is it a form of sexism that is illegal?
/r/MensRights10/07/13 10:12 PM
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I would protect my women friends, as they would protect me, because I make a point of only associating with women who are adults. I can keep walking past a woman stranger without a second thought. edit: typo
/r/MensRights10/07/13 10:02 PM
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Should men be allowed to opt out of child support? No. Given that women have a number of options where they can legally opt out of supporting a child, could you elaborate as to why men should not be afforded the same rights?
/r/MensRights10/07/13 09:46 PM
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This is an interesting read. Some weeks ago I read an article where one of the largest types of injury to troops currently occurring in Afghanistan was reported as musculo-skeletal. The article did not divide injured by sex but it did suggest some of the injuries were avoidable - either by personal action or a change in standard operating procedures. It also suggested that there were a proportion of injuries that had yet to be determined as far as how to prevent them. While war zones have their …
/r/MensRights10/07/13 09:41 PM
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I think westerners have a misplaced faith in modern medicine. Sure, doctors can achieve some fantastic results but then sometimes medicine just doesn't know enough yet. Some STDs cannot be eradicated from the body, at best they can go dormant. Some still kill you. For the whole of your life is a long time to endure an otherwise unnecessary affliction.
/r/MensRights10/07/13 05:23 AM
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Notice how quickly women being called on to be accountable for their actions is described as rape apology.
/r/MensRights10/07/13 05:02 AM
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Going on the reciprocal nature of DV, there is a good chance she is also "an abuser". He was just incautious enough to be photographed.
/r/MensRights10/07/13 04:53 AM
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Moving outside our comfort zone has always been presented to me as a positive step in growing as a person. Certainly one does so gradually, and sometimes you need to retreat back to your comfort zone but the frontier should always beckon, else we will stagnate.
/r/MensRights10/07/13 04:44 AM
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I sent an e-mail to Lisa Hickey around the time that the mods started displaying strong feminists bias. The discussion had been around any comment that said things along the lines of all women or all feminists or even feminism or its derivatives would automatically go into moderation. Many comments started to get lost and it was blamed on the code of the website. Men pointed out articles, some of them by the mods, that used the same all with men and MRAs. Then Noah Brand posted an article which …
/r/MensRights10/07/13 04:41 AM
1

Marriage is a golden bridle.
/r/MensRights10/07/13 04:27 AM
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Agreed. The male pill is in addition to condom use. Until then drop some bleach in the used condom or take it with you when you leave. Don't leave your genetic material lying around.
/r/MensRights10/07/13 04:08 AM
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It is a continuously portrayed false stereotype that men are not raised to be aware of what is acceptable and what is unacceptable behaviour. It is the one portion of feminism that is at least internally consistent - they think men and women are ignorant and only they see the real world. If it wasn't so destructive to western society it would be pitiful.
/r/MensRights10/07/13 03:53 AM
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When GMP launched it had such promise; a site where men and women could discuss issues affecting men. The assumption that all men are good was a powerful one to me. Then I realised it was a lie from the beginning.
/r/MensRights10/07/13 02:13 AM
4

I provide help to adult men who have completed grade 12 in Australia and yet cannot read or write at an adult level. You can imagine how difficult this makes it for them to obtain and retain employment.
/r/MensRights10/07/13 02:07 AM
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With the current media climate in Australia, if Abbott revealed he puts his trousers on one leg at a time it would be howled down as misogyny. When the media were targeting Gillard concerning the accusations against her for misuse of Union funds, she too refused to answer questions. If only we could be presented with a better quality of politician.
/r/MensRights09/07/13 09:31 AM
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I don't mind people being afraid. What I mind is their hysterical accusations are believed without a shred of proof. As long as the legal situation can be adjusted, people can be as afraid as they wish.
/r/MensRights09/07/13 04:57 AM
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... instead of fighting a war with one another. It's sensible. It is sensible and logical. Except feminists cannot help themselves, this egalitarian movement would have to focus on women's problems first. The combined movement would be as useless to men as feminism. No need to duplicate effort for the same outcome. Men's Rights is anti-feminist since the few but influential feminists are anti-men. The "nice" feminists, who think men are human too, seem to be impotent in the face of their sisterh…
/r/MensRights09/07/13 04:46 AM
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What is immoral is the choices of an adult can force indentured work upon another adult in a country where slavery is allegedly illegal. What is worse is this is a one-way proposition. Men cannot require a woman to carry a child to term, but women can require a man to provide for a child he does not want for 18 years. Some men who are forced to become fathers may well lack parental instincts. As such they deserve the right to not fund the mother's life style choices.
/r/MensRights09/07/13 04:38 AM
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I don't know if you can have an "opposite" to a norm, just differing from the norm.
/r/MensRights09/07/13 04:34 AM
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I'd rather live in a representative democracy than any form of autocracy. People though, being people, cannot be trusted in large numbers. Our tribalism is still very hard to over come.
/r/MensRights09/07/13 04:29 AM
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There are no Real Women, just women.
/r/MensRights09/07/13 04:25 AM
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The rule of thumb applies to measurement in crafting, it is a fallacy promoted by feminists that it was a licence to beat wives.
/r/MensRights09/07/13 04:17 AM
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It is a legal killing ergo it isn't murder. Murder is a crime, currently in the states under discussion abortion is legal.
/r/MensRights09/07/13 04:07 AM
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Even if we didn't have a formalized philosophy behind it at the time, the basic and intrinsic right not to be killed has been recognized from time immemorial, across highly diverse societies. Feudal Europe, Japan and China would tend to contradict your proposal. In the last few centuries of the west I would agree with you but further back and life was not respected. People still didn't want to die, granted, but they had only what "rights" they could enforce. The strong ruled over the weak and th…
/r/MensRights08/07/13 11:23 PM
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The reason that murder is illegal, and so highly punished, is that it is one of, if not the greatest possible violation of a human's rights. Murder was a crime long before we came up with the idea of human rights. Very few people want to die, so unlawful killing being a crime is a natural progression.
/r/MensRights08/07/13 10:30 PM
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have said the same thing Clarify? I don't know what you're referring to. I was explaining that I have seen sources where feminists claim feminism is good for men and provided examples of what type of sources.
/r/MensRights08/07/13 10:27 PM
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I do too but I'm not as nice about it. While the US abortion issue won't affect me directly I think men in the USA have an opportunity to use the abortion issue as leverage for men's paternal rights. However, I suspect too many men will feel obliged to do the right thing and support abortion rights for women with no direct benefit to men. Too many of us don't approach the gender war with the cold-blooded determination evidenced by the feminist lobbies.
/r/MensRights08/07/13 10:24 PM
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I say this in good faith - do we really have a right not to be killed? If I was killed today, my murderer would not be charged with a human-rights violation, she or he would be charged with one of the unlawful killing charges (murder/manslaughter). I would like to believe my fellow humans believe I have a right to life but every day events don't bear this out.
/r/MensRights08/07/13 10:18 PM
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While I agree with your points, humans only have a right not to be killed under certain circumstances. We have made laws and processes that make it socially acceptable to kill humans as long as the right circumstances are observed; abortion is one of those situations.
/r/MensRights08/07/13 09:51 PM
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It only affects women's bodies, therefore it's a WR issue. Agreed, but not only a women's rights issue. It is a men's right's issue if you want the votes of men to support abortion. Otherwise men have nothing to lose by opposing your stance. That is how voting works. If you have an issue and you don't make it relevant to your voters, they have less commitment to it and may very well vote against you. While more women in the US vote than men, not all women are pro-choice, neither are all men.
/r/MensRights08/07/13 09:49 PM
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That may be so, but I'm speaking from personal experience, as I'd rather not talk about things which I don't know to be for sure. Fair enough. I have also read blog posts, newspaper articles and watched videos where feminists have said the same thing. But that is my personal experience.
/r/MensRights08/07/13 09:35 PM
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Democracy - a shitty system but better than the alternatives.
/r/MensRights08/07/13 09:34 PM
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Some men take longer than others to see the world without the rose-coloured glasses. Some believe these things might happen to other men but not to them. Men still often believe they are indestructible.
/r/MensRights08/07/13 09:26 PM
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I have other MRAs suggesting to me I should be more forgiving; after all I have been wrong before, so others might also be wrong. However, I do reject feminism in its current incarnation. While I doubt it is salvageable people can do surprising things.
/r/MensRights08/07/13 09:11 PM
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Touché :)
/r/MensRights08/07/13 09:08 PM
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I have lived in Africa as well and I share your doubts. However, something better emerged out of Europe and it was no less barbaric several centuries ago that some nations in Africa are today.
/r/MensRights08/07/13 09:07 PM
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I've not seen feminists claim that feminism is good for men; I agree with your first 2 points but the third is heavily biased, and not always true. There have been a number of posts on this subreddit about how men's problems can be solved with feminism. The third item is not always true which is why I used the phrase feminist factions. Not all feminists work against men's interests but, as just two examples, NOW in North America and Emily's List in Australia are two feminist groups that do work …
/r/MensRights08/07/13 09:05 PM
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Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Kimmel might accidentally stumble across a kernel of truth yet.
/r/MensRights08/07/13 11:20 AM
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This is just a way of silencing you. I disagree with this. There are some hateful, nasty, people out there but I think the vast majority of people just have never really thought about men's rights issues because they've never been told to. WR are drilled into us from childhood. They simply need to be educated. I agree with what you say but, how can wanting to help men be sexist? That is where I feel they are abandoning good faith discussions. Just because someone is not educated in a social topi…
/r/MensRights08/07/13 11:09 AM
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In the 3rd world, and in the 1st world, there are laws that are unique to women. There are also laws that are unique to men. I focus on the 1st world as that is a world in which I live. I believe the 3rd world should have the freedom to define its own way, not be pressured into adopting flawed 1st world systems. Who knows, the 3rd world may very well come up with something better and we will learn from them.
/r/MensRights08/07/13 11:06 AM
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People do have observable behaviour, feminists are people, MRAs are people and so-on. We all have observable behaviour. My point is what we say we believe in, and what we do are not always the same. Observing the behaviour of fellow humans is normal, at least where I was raised. Looking beyond the superficial words, seeing if people act out their stated convictions is a good way to gauge the depth of those convictions. I have never claimed to be better than any one; I think you are projecting yo…
/r/MensRights08/07/13 11:03 AM
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I didn't say you were a feminist, I said your behaviour is an example of feminist behaviour. Hopefully that gives you pause for thought.
/r/MensRights08/07/13 05:48 AM
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We could scoop out a woman-rapists's ovaries with a spoon. Though I think the SJW would think that was inhumane.
/r/MensRights08/07/13 05:45 AM
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Or being the would-be offender friends are rescuing a man from. Women are not just victims.
/r/MensRights08/07/13 05:42 AM
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I am not your friend. I am an internet stranger. Perhaps if you read the thread you'll see that one of the issues Men's Rights has with feminists is their insistence upon attempting to control how men communicate, whether men speak up or what they say. When a post is made in this subreddit, anyone has the opportunity to reply. Even feminists. The OP doesn't get to mandate how the conversation goes nor who gets to say what. In a way, your behaviour illustrates one of the reasons the MRM and femin…
/r/MensRights08/07/13 05:39 AM
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Luckily as a free man I'm not beholden to you nor do I have to do as you "instruct". You made a statement...you get replies. Welcome to /r/MensRights
/r/MensRights08/07/13 05:32 AM
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My summary from what I've observed: Feminist's statements regarding their goal of equality does not match their actions. The majority of feminists do not engage in debate of the differences between the MRM and feminism in good faith Feminist factions actively work against the interests of men and boys. Feminists claim feminism is good for men and boys yet feminism only addresses issues of women and girls. Feminism promotes rights for women without the corresponding responsibilities.
/r/MensRights08/07/13 05:31 AM
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Can you specify which country's treatment of women concerns you and what actions are oppression? The world is a big and varied place after all.
/r/MensRights08/07/13 05:21 AM
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I had a recent conversation with two women friends, which ended with me being labeled a sexist. This is just a way of silencing you. I make a point in my debates of framing the location. It is even crucial not to generalise concerning the Anglo-west as each jurisdiction has slightly different laws. These women were extremely offended by this remark accusing me of comparing unfair male financial burdens to the stoning of women in the middle east. If the theatre of debate is the middle east then t…
/r/MensRights08/07/13 05:17 AM
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Now I am curious why woman get off so lightly when charged with sex crimes of any nature. Is it just part of the general light sentencing women get naturally? Is it because society sees men as sexual predators so they can rationalize it as the man's fault? It just seems very strange to me. From when husbands were responsible for their wife's crimes through to today where women criminals are afforded excuses in a bid to find them less responsible for their actions, current social norms in the wes…
/r/MensRights08/07/13 05:11 AM
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As long as the law is administered equally regardless of sex or gender, then it should be worded using terms such as "Custodial Parent" and "Non-Custodial Parent". For me the key is no person should be made a parent based upon someone else's decision. If we can countenance women surrendering their parental obligations to a living child, we can do the same for everyone.
/r/MensRights08/07/13 05:04 AM
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The issues some men experience have nothing to do with the issues some women experience. Since feminism is concerned with the issues of some women, men have the MRM. The OP is an excellent reason men need the MRM and why more feminism will not help men.
/r/MensRights08/07/13 01:32 AM
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With rape, there isn’t a goal. There isn’t a point to it. There’s no real reason why an individual (either gender) should rape another. So, why shouldn’t women feel entitled to safety when people don’t need to rape? Reasons for rape of women, men, girls and boys: Sex Power Cruelty Intoxication Developmental immaturity Malformed social skills Mental illness Group think Strategy in war These are not justifications. They are some goals of rapists, to normal people they are not laudable or even acce…
/r/MensRights07/07/13 09:34 PM
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The more hate I see directed at some men who have made a legitimate life choice, that harms no-one and does not harm the man concerned, the more I am satisfied I made a good choice for myself.
/r/MensRights07/07/13 12:25 PM
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Key points regarding women raping men: Men can experience an erection whether they want sex or not. An erection is a biological reaction, not something that can be voluntarily switched on or off. The rape of men that is often discussed here, in many jurisdictions is not legally classified as rape. It is where a man is forced to penetrate a woman. This is achieved with drugs including alcohol, coercion or due the victim being under the age of consent and thus a minor in the eyes of the law. Some …
/r/MensRights07/07/13 08:51 AM
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In the final analysis, being banned from /r/feminism is really not an issue. An MRA isn't going to change their minds so debate with feminists is pointless. We know they censor their subreddit, its their place their rules. Feminism is a lot smaller in numbers than they would like you to believe, though they have some influential lobby groups. We get better results from people who haven't been saturated with feminist dogma and will listen to logical arguments. Support for feminism in the public c…
/r/MensRights06/07/13 11:24 PM
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So my confusion comes from why do I not see recognition of the issues of gender roles in society and why does no one recognize that mens rights is only an issue because of, albeit poor, attempts at creating a system in which neither gender is better, but the gender roles still remain. Men's Rights is concerned with remaining gender roles, specifically the ones imposed upon men. I imagine the reason the focus of this subreddit on western, developed nations, is that is where the MRAs come from. Do…
/r/MensRights06/07/13 11:03 PM
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Considering feminism has various deleterious effects upon men I think not only can men discuss feminism they should do so. No, we don't need feminists permission to do so. Welcome to the western democracies.
/r/MensRights06/07/13 10:52 PM
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no women can not abandon a born children with no consequence. they can seek out adoption program. A single father or couple could do this as well. Depending upon your jurisdiction, there are Safe Haven laws where a mother (sometimes also a father) can abandon a baby at a hos[ital, fire station or church. After a very short period, the abandonment is irrevocable and the child becomes a ward of the state. If you want to know how prepared some hospitals are for such a practice google Baby Hatch. Th…
/r/MensRights06/07/13 10:48 PM
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What I oppose is men forced to be fathers because they do not have the same opt-out options afforded to women. I think the problem here is biology, and not the law. There is no legal equivalent that can equalize the situation between men and women. Men cannot in good conscience expect a woman to carry a child to term. That cannot be equalised, it is indeed biology. What can be done is men can be afforded the same rights as women. Paternal disowning. Essentially, if he chooses to do so the man le…
/r/MensRights06/07/13 01:46 PM
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because real men are responsible for their actions. they dont leave other people to deal with issues theyve created. Men are real men regardless of whether they take actions you approve of or not. Real men is a shaming construct and carries no argumentative weight. To answer the rest of your point I quotes, following your logic of responsibility for actions taken, Safe Haven laws and surrendering a child for adoption laws should be repealed. If men are responsible for their actions then so are w…
/r/MensRights06/07/13 01:31 PM
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Having a test would mean we would have to carry our certificates around with us. The test would also be outrageously gamed by politicians and lobby groups.
/r/MensRights06/07/13 02:00 AM
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From the OPs description, they don't have conversations just one-way abuse from the wife. She's seemingly become accustomed to treating the OP disgracefully. I don't think a conversation is going to happen or be productive.
/r/MensRights06/07/13 01:51 AM
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Neither gender has a monopoly on good or bad deeds. it is one of the great deceptions of our time that women are somehow only innately good and men are only innately bad.
/r/MensRights06/07/13 01:47 AM
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Gillard is/was a politician. She was only remarkable because she was the first woman PM for Australia. Everything else is political dreck; she isn't a special type of leader because she's a woman. She gained and lost power to the same man using the same legal methods both times. Somehow gaining power from a man with a spill is okay if you are a woman, but a woman losing power to a man via a party spill is somehow bad. Gillard was the one who made her incumbency about her sex and it only demonstr…
/r/MensRights06/07/13 01:39 AM
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Some people have a nearly-overwhelming urge to have children. The best way I can describe it in people with whom I have spoken is imagine being hungry and not being able to get food. Hunger is satisfied with adequate amounts of food, the same with the urge to breed. I hope she goes for divorce, rather than trapping her husband with an "oops" pregnancy. He'll be happier in the long run.
/r/MensRights06/07/13 01:25 AM
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This.
/r/MensRights06/07/13 01:16 AM
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If a man or woman wants to pressure men into shouldering traditional gender roles against that man's wishes then they are not really MRA's. You cannot, in good faith, argue for Men's Rights and then tell men how they must live. To those I say Feminism is that way ----->
/r/MensRights06/07/13 01:15 AM
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Men should be afforded the choice as to whether they become the primary care givers or not, rather than permitting themselves to be shamed into something they do not choose to do.
/r/MensRights06/07/13 01:02 AM
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So am I. What I oppose is men forced to be fathers because they do not have the same opt-out options afforded to women. What I find interesting is that if children have rights, why are parents considered to have a right to them at all?
/r/MensRights06/07/13 12:54 AM
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Your comment doesn't address how all other charges before a court are innocent until proven guilty, except for rape accusations. Especially the bias of the media and the courts in this regard.
/r/MensRights06/07/13 12:51 AM
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In most countries that is their age of majority - voting, driving and alcohol. Unless the public get whipped into a righteous frenzy and then 10 year olds are suddenly adults.
/r/MensRights06/07/13 12:47 AM
1

Women are permitted to abandon their children, why not men?
/r/MensRights06/07/13 12:45 AM
1

My involvement with the MRM is so I keep up to date with current issues. My Activism is more one-on-one with men friends and acquaintances. It isn't visible except to those I help.
/r/MensRights05/07/13 11:24 AM
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Another feminist telling men how MRA=bad, Feminism=good and why can't we all just get along. He sets up a collection of strawmen and then helpfully knocks them over.
/r/MensRights05/07/13 12:48 AM
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What I gained from what you said was that anyone, woman or man, can make of their life what they choose to. Certainly experiences leaves their mark on us, influence us, but we also have choice.
/r/MensRights05/07/13 12:42 AM
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It is a hostile, discussion-ending tactic. it means any legitimate questions you might level at them have been effectively derailed and puts you on the defensive.
/r/MensRights04/07/13 10:44 PM
1

How about dates are split 50/50 by the simple expedient of agreeing beforehand with your potential date, then the possibility of sex can be separated from any feeling of entitlement due to financial commitment and can be based upon mutual desire and consent. No laws, no cops, just two adults being responsible for their own actions.
/r/MensRights04/07/13 10:41 PM
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Many of the jobs and lifestyle options that were available to men were not available to women. Women couldn't vote. Women had many societal expectations of them and were looked down upon if they didn't fit into those roles. Men had social constraints placed upon them regarding their lifestyle choices as well. Oppression was a state of being for the common person until relatively recent times, it was not a women-only experience. The majority of men could not vote either; representative democracy …
/r/MensRights04/07/13 10:08 PM
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From the footnote of the linked letter: Since sending this letter, I have received a response reiterating the statement that there is insufficient evidence to move forward with my complaint. Innocent until proven guilty, not guilty on the unsubstantiated word of an accuser.
/r/MensRights04/07/13 09:56 PM
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Luckily after high school you can be more selective in your choice of women you associate with.
/r/MensRights04/07/13 09:45 PM
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I think it is also good to see a man able to use his own recording to protect himself and it being admissible in court. It doesn't change the the fact he had to prove he was innocent, not the accuser prove he was guilty. That part of the dynamic is still very wrong.
/r/MensRights04/07/13 09:31 PM
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Men have the right to bodily autonomy, that includes refusal of sex. Flip the genders and this would not seem a big deal, occasionally not being in the mood is not an issue. Her behaviour and denial of his needed rest is an issue. He had already removed himself to the couch but she pressed the argument still. It is a thoughtless and selfish act, one that I've seen myself and other men have spoken about/written about.
/r/MensRights04/07/13 09:26 PM
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I think it is one of the significant differences between most women and the MRM. Some women, GWW and TyphonBlue for example can empathise with men; other women have to see the results happen to one of "their" men before they realise the system is crooked. With men though I have read of more men who come to the MRM based upon their exposure to the experiences of men the system has mistreated; they empathise without having been directly affected yet.
/r/MensRights04/07/13 09:22 PM
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Agreed but does you mother's traditional constraints stop you from entering a technical field? My mother, and father, also had traditional/old fashioned ideas in some regards. While I was in their house it was their rules but once I was an adult and living in my own house I made my own decisions.
/r/MensRights04/07/13 09:19 PM
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I would try a private discussion in the light of day and put your concerns to her. If she is willing to discuss them then all well and good. If not then I think for your own well being you need to end the relationship.
/r/MensRights04/07/13 12:28 PM
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They lost any chance to get my vote.
/r/MensRights04/07/13 12:26 PM
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Changing the language, the jargon, will not address the underlying issues. Sure, "patriarchy", as a term, is a calculated slur against men and a better term could be found, but calling it "rigid, gender roles" doesn't address what feminists have done in the name of feminism. On average women are automatically assumed to be better caretakers of children and get an advantage in family court - this is a key point in the MRM. It was not so long ago that fathers automatically got custody of their chi…
/r/MensRights04/07/13 10:32 AM
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Damn, and I just had my black-and-silver pressed. /s
/r/MensRights04/07/13 09:19 AM
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I mean the following in good faith. When does a Homo Sapiens become human? At birth, prior to birth, at their majority?
/r/MensRights04/07/13 08:55 AM
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I dont even understand how after thinking about it anyone could say (if abortion is allowed) that the final choice not be the womans. No argument there. The point is, the need of women to gain support for legal abortions affords the MRM with leverage. We don't want to decide if women get an abortion or not, we want to use the opportunity to gain some rights for men. Essentially a man's abortion - Paternal Disownment. Your other suggestion of no involvement no commitment demonstrates a further la…
/r/MensRights04/07/13 08:50 AM
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Schrodinger's Foetus? :)
/r/MensRights04/07/13 08:38 AM
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I think you've missed the main thrust of the opposition. As I see it, this thread would help support abortion if there was an equal offer on the table for men. What we won't do is trust that when we help women, again, that this time they'll honour the debt and help men get a facility into law equivalent to abortion. For once, the voting influence of men is valuable to women and feminists. This thread wants to capitalise on this rather than help women out of some dubious statements about morality…
/r/MensRights04/07/13 07:25 AM
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Nothing about the abortion issue helps men or furthers men's rights. What do we gain out of white knighting?
/r/MensRights04/07/13 07:16 AM
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Is there a length restriction on reddit names? Maybe /r /AskFeminismOnly QuestionsWeCanGiveDogmaticAnswersTo was too long?
/r/MensRights04/07/13 07:09 AM
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One aspect of the previous economic powerhouse of Japan was cradle-to-grave companies. When that social contract was abandoned as some companies could not afford to support their retirees, the commitment to the companies waned. The herbivore effect seems apt - less attention paid to a partner, the employer, in a relationship that has turned bad. It might rings some bells for people in the west.
/r/MensRights04/07/13 07:02 AM
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I think the room understood very well. The complete lack of men's options means the abundance of options offered to women is a concern, because the man is on the hook for what the woman unilaterally decides. That is unacceptable. If women cut men out of the abortion debate they cannot then, in honesty, turn around and expect men to vote in favour of abortion. If men get no say even in the debate then they can and should withhold their support from women at the ballot box. No involvement means no…
/r/MensRights04/07/13 06:46 AM
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The convincing evidence that women are not interested in STEM fields is there are less women in STEM fields. Preferences do not have to be caused by unequal treatment of women, that is simply victim mentality.
/r/MensRights04/07/13 06:41 AM
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Exactly. So the aternative proposed for men is to have the right to legally disown any children identified as theirs within a time frame similar to what is permitted for abortions.
/r/MensRights04/07/13 04:15 AM
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Though it is far from a new idea.
/r/MensRights04/07/13 04:13 AM
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I can't wait for the order to "Shoot any intruders, but politely."
/r/MensRights04/07/13 04:02 AM
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Scorched earth tactics have advantages in a war, it denies your enemy access to resources. Bridges between feminism and the MRM only affords feminists easier access to undermine and subvert the MRM. Feminism has a track record in this regard already. I say burn all the bridges and remain vigilant in case some well-meaning fool starts another one.
/r/MensRights04/07/13 03:56 AM
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Don't get mad, get equal.
/r/MensRights04/07/13 03:51 AM
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What sort of rape policies do feminists usually favor? No prosecution of false accusers Redefinition of rape so only men can perform it Eradication of men who are raped from stats, laws and support programmes Double standards such as a drunk women cannot consent but a drunk man can Lowering of standards of proof rape even occurred Rape shield laws Rape of boys redefined as "it was good for him" Child support payable to women rapists by their child victims
/r/MensRights04/07/13 03:51 AM
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I know, right? Coming up with new ways to demonise men is hard work.
/r/MensRights04/07/13 03:43 AM
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No man should feel that he is any less a man for choosing not to be married. Friendships, lovers and colleagues are the same, whether you are married or not.
/r/MensRights04/07/13 03:41 AM
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I am replying to the post claiming I mean being a white male, I know because I am. You literally can't be given a better combination to be born as in this world right now. At least in my display of threads that is how it appears.
/r/MensRights04/07/13 03:19 AM
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NZ Labour should look across the Tasman at Australian Labor and see what a shocking cock-up it was to parachute an Aboriginal woman into an NT seat because it ticked a bunch of affirmative action boxes. Australian Labor is going to get a caning in September, maybe even sooner. I am particularly interested in the numbers that will come out of the NT.
/r/MensRights04/07/13 03:09 AM
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I understand. I am careful to avoid appearing to endorse violence. Unfortunately it is difficult to discuss the Ace we've discarded because even slight mistakes in tone might make it appear that I'm advocating violence. My intellectual question, not a call to action, is how much would the MRM advance if we did use violence to counter the violence of feminists? I think the situation would rapidly spiral out of hand but I also think we'd make significant gains. Real fear, not the confected faux-fe…
/r/MensRights04/07/13 03:05 AM
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When children are abandoned by their mothers it can take years for them to be adopted. During that time, depending upon the jurisdiction, taxes are spent on the children, paid to foster parents, until adoptive parents are identified and accepted.
/r/MensRights04/07/13 03:01 AM
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The effects of pregnancy are irrelevant when you discuss violence against women and link it to pregnancy. The agent that acts upon a woman's body during pregnancy is the woman's body as it responds to the stages of gestation. So, is the woman being violent to herself? If it is violence to force a woman to carry a child to term, what is it when the courts require a man to work and provide money for 18 years for a child that may not even be his? In what way am I "hung up" on the abortion aspect? W…
/r/MensRights04/07/13 02:59 AM
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Men still permitted the second wave to happen. I do not accept that men are helpless, we fell prey to our benign sexism and did not oppose the second wave at its inception. it was "only" women's studies, it was "just" women letting off steam. Now we know that it wasn't. right to vote This was never an equal proposition. Women were not expected to fight in the wars of the nations in which they were given the right to vote. I would accept that women would be conscripted into the munitions factorie…
/r/MensRights04/07/13 02:53 AM
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Men and woman should have equal opportunity. For me that means: The same standards of entry The same standards of membership The same responsibilities The same entitlements The same penalties The same standards of exit I believe women have greater outcomes than men in certain areas. In these areas, men should be made equal by defining equality of opportunity for all and abandoning outcome opportunity.
/r/MensRights04/07/13 02:48 AM
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The MRM doesn't need feminism, or support by feminists. If we build bridges to their hateful ideology we will be diminishing our commitment to an honest debate. Lie down with dogs and you'll get up with fleas.
/r/MensRights04/07/13 02:44 AM
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There are already discussions by the RadFemHub regarding exactly that. I draw solace from the fact that, with so few feminists capable of grasping STEM subjects, they won't have the knowledge to carry our their plans.
/r/MensRights04/07/13 02:36 AM
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I acknowledge that men have been part of the problem that is now feminism. We enabled it, we permitted it with our votes and our socialised attitudes to half the human race. Some men have realised what a shocking mistake we've permitted to happen and are working at correcting that mistake.
/r/MensRights04/07/13 02:33 AM
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I wonder when artificial wombs are created if there will be a form of Ovum-jacking and if the feminists will still laugh about it. There might be a patent in a device to facilitate this....better get on the design now.
/r/MensRights04/07/13 02:26 AM
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Ditto to Ms. Not an Oops
/r/MensRights04/07/13 02:25 AM
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She deceived the father, she's continuing to lie to her daughter. Just because these are "soft" crimes committed by a woman does not absolve her of her guilt.
/r/MensRights04/07/13 02:24 AM
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I am MGHOW, these are my thoughts. Motivation, basically if sex is no longer the prime motivator what will be? What can replace the incredibly powerful motivator of being sex driven? Or the powerful motivator of providing for kids? Can we find value in our lives outside of providing for our wife and kids? I still have sex, however I make sure I take precautions to avoid conception. I will not marry, co-habit or fall into the trap of common law marriage. My motivator to retain a job is to maintai…
/r/MensRights04/07/13 02:21 AM
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I am an MRA because men's issues are not treated seriously by the courts and society at large. If men who are concerned about these things do not take action then no-one is going to do it for us.
/r/MensRights04/07/13 02:02 AM
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I think the /s is implied, right?
/r/MensRights04/07/13 02:00 AM
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Do you think a guys consent is taken for granted? (Ex: "of course he wanted sex, he is a guy") If yes, is this a major issue, or is it not a big deal? Yes, it is a significant issue. I believe men's bodily autonomy is not part of the social dialogue and it needs to be if men are to be accepted as equal human beings. Have you, or anyone you know, had an instance of having had sex while not giving consent Yes. Unlike some I know this person has managed to move on, though there are occasional flash…
/r/MensRights04/07/13 01:58 AM
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Not all discrimination is wrong. In my jurisdiction, a sole trader has the right to refuse anyone service, they do not have to supply a reason.
/r/MensRights04/07/13 01:46 AM
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What I find strange is what special perspective does a woman offer a STEM subject that a man does not? Historical lack of women has not prevented fields dominated by men to produce personal computers, bridges, buildings, aircraft, cures for myriad diseases and so-on. What is the need to encourage women into STEM subjects at all?
/r/MensRights04/07/13 12:55 AM
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I'm a man, my mother and father managed to teach me how to do household chores and I still went into IT as my chosen profession. Knowing how to look after yourself doesn't have to mean a lack of technical aptitude.
/r/MensRights04/07/13 12:50 AM
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As I have noted before, the MRM have eschewed violence because it grants us another step on the higher moral ground. It is also because women suffer far less punishment in the courts when they commit violence than men do, so it is also a practical choice.
/r/MensRights04/07/13 12:41 AM
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though all such responses can be challenged / debated; They are not even honest with themselves.
/r/MensRights04/07/13 12:36 AM
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Hmmm...maybe we need a feelz section in the MRM, present issues from an emotive, not logical and facts-based, point of view. Subvert the hivemind with static.
/r/MensRights04/07/13 12:35 AM
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If not artificially aborted, the blastocyst has a chance of becoming a foetus. It might even survive to be born as a child. I say potential because even without artificial intervention a proportion of pregnancies are spontaneously aborted by the woman's body. I don't have the rates to hand hence I have not presented any %ages.
/r/MensRights04/07/13 12:21 AM
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And me. Consider though, women can do this now when they abandon their child. So either it should not be permitted for women or it should be permitted for both men and women.
/r/MensRights04/07/13 12:17 AM
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I agree being forced to carry a pregnancy to term is now considered unnatural, however pregnancy remains a normal, biological process. The side effects are irrelevant other than potential death, they do not change its nature. I disagree with extending the definition of violence though, otherwise it will be so elastic, akin to rape, that the term becomes meaningless.
/r/MensRights04/07/13 12:16 AM
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I break no laws, I pay my taxes, I have a job, support myself and I vote (it is mandatory in my jurisdiction). I think I have my responsibilities adequately covered.
/r/MensRights03/07/13 05:35 AM
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I think a space for men on campus could be put to very good use. Consider the supply of information to men that could be achieved that would otherwise be buried in a feminised tertiary institution.
/r/MensRights03/07/13 05:19 AM
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Pregnancy is a natural bodily function of any female mammal; that includes human females. It is not an assault upon their body. To equate pregnancy with violence would mean getting old is also violence since that changes the body as well. It is hyperbole, it is designed to elicit an emotional reaction and thus garner support for abortion rather than engage in a rational debate.
/r/MensRights03/07/13 04:51 AM
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Based on the theory that pain doesn't matter unless it is women who are hurt, I agree. When women have to, again, face the prospect of undesired parenthood they may gain some understanding of the situation men are currently in. This time, when we vote, don't support abortion unless men have an equivalent right.
/r/MensRights03/07/13 04:29 AM
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If the MRM is seen to co-operate with feminists it most certainly will hurt us.
/r/MensRights03/07/13 04:27 AM
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I disagree that modern politicians are so burdened by traditional beliefs. No doubt some of them are but I believe the majority support bills out of self-interest.
/r/MensRights03/07/13 04:17 AM
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Family court administers the laws made by our legislators. If the politicians made it law the family court would have no option but to comply. However, do you really think a politician is going to commit to yet another expense to the public purse when men can be forced into paying the support?
/r/MensRights03/07/13 04:05 AM
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If you have a daughter, why should she not be circumcised?
/r/MensRights03/07/13 04:03 AM
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Wow down voted...really? I guess the warm, fuzzy "its not actually a child yet" is the only PC answer.
/r/MensRights03/07/13 03:56 AM
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I doubt it. The courts have demonstrated they don't care which man pays for children as long as there is a man in the frame. The alternative if the mother gets child support from taxes and the courts don't want to open up that can of worms any more than it already is.
/r/MensRights03/07/13 03:46 AM
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I am pro-choice though I acknowledge that abortion is killing a potential life. I balance this with the knowledge that many "potential children" are spontaneously aborted and never become children. I am okay with this.
/r/MensRights03/07/13 03:44 AM
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Until we can bring a fertilised egg to term in an external womb, women will have one contribution to society that is unique to their sex. Anything else a woman can do, men can do. That was the whole point of equality after all.
/r/MensRights03/07/13 03:39 AM
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I cannot think of anything nice to say...I keep writing a comment and then deleting it. I keep remembering how women need men like a fish needs a bicycle and thinking I no longer care. I won't ever get pregnant, neither will any sexual partner of mine. Quite simply it is not my problem. If I write more, feminists might cry so I'll leave it at this. Choose your enemies wisely, because you need to be very sure you might not need them in the future.
/r/MensRights03/07/13 03:37 AM
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I agree. The resistance from legislators is because they don't want to have to pick up the bill for raising the child.
/r/MensRights03/07/13 03:21 AM
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Good choices would be - pay in cash, wear a condom, take it with you when you leave and get used to being called "John".
/r/MensRights03/07/13 03:13 AM
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Here's a tip for the tanty-throwers - it is unattractive.
/r/MensRights02/07/13 09:57 PM
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Chivalry, as it is described today, is simply pedestalising of women. it is not the same as politeness which can be extended to a person regardless of their sex.
/r/MensRights02/07/13 09:39 PM
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This situation is changing. I believe the divergence from each man being an island and some cominig together in the MRM is part of why the MRM is so misunderstood by general society. Men are very much capable of working together, but it is unusual that they work together against something that is, erroneously, identified as being pro-women. While the evidence is there to demonstrate feminism isn't pro-women, the public perception is that it is. Some men are stepping outside of their traditional …
/r/MensRights02/07/13 09:26 PM
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I think the ridicule feminism attracts due to INFB is under appreciated. To the general public it makes them look ill-educated and naive If the MRM was to play the same game it would appear we are as bad as feminists in our lack of nuanced approach to the gender divides.
/r/MensRights02/07/13 09:19 PM
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Definitely. On one hand the health NGOs want men's support (votes, money) but they don't want men to express any opinion.When people feel they are actively ignored, they either advocate more actively to be heard or, as in the case of women's health, leave the discussion.
/r/MensRights02/07/13 09:08 PM
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As a MGHOW I don't do it for revenge; I simply don't care what women want. I support myself, own my house and car outright and have only a small credit card debt which is manageable. My income, less tax, belongs to me and only me.
/r/MensRights02/07/13 12:26 PM
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I believe that if men were effectively involved in abortion decisions then we would be more interested. Since "her body, her choice" cuts men out of the decision-making totally, we have no reason to care.
/r/MensRights02/07/13 12:19 PM
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It is a strawman argument used to try to garner emotional support rather than logical discourse. It looks as if it has a deep message until you consider that the people who believe some styles of clothing mean a rape victim is asking for it are in the minority and do not reflect the consensus of western society.
/r/MensRights02/07/13 12:15 PM
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What if men decided the love of the bulk of women is unnecessary. A woman is not essential to a man's happiness.
/r/MensRights01/07/13 07:18 AM
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Feminists of Australia pinned their hopes on Gillard and she crashed and burned, exposed to the public eye all the while. Now they have to find excuses for her removal rather than face the reality that she was removed by the very same legal process by which she became PM. When the going got tough, Gillard pulled the gender card and it backfired on her entire party. Her failure makes feminism look bad and culprits must be created. It must be someone else's fault. I expect at some point someone wi…
/r/MensRights30/06/13 10:05 PM
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What the writer of the article misses is feminism offers nothing positive for men and it isn't supposed to. It is a movement for women, why would men become involved in advocacy for women when the results of that support have been so obviously damaging to men?
/r/MensRights30/06/13 09:58 PM
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So the author fempsplains the term "mainsplaining". Interesting.
/r/MensRights30/06/13 08:02 PM
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It is interesting that it seems more important to keep a woman as PM than it is to make sure whomever is PM is good for the job. It doesn't put feminism-is-for-equality in a good light.
/r/MensRights30/06/13 01:37 PM
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I do not want to tel a woman what she can do with her body; likewise I will not slave for 18 years with my body to fund a woman's decisions.
/r/MensRights30/06/13 06:29 AM
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Yes, they do. There needs to be a critical mass where the social issue has enough support and the supporters have enough will and influence to make the change in law, that will make opposition to the social change moot.
/r/MensRights30/06/13 12:28 AM
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The discussion is not about equality between circumcised and uncircumcised men; they are considered equal. It is about men, who were circumcised as infants, not having had their bodily autonomy respected. There s general agreement, in my opinion, that adults can do what they like with their own bodies; but an infant boy should not be circumcised unless there is a clear medical reason to do so. Excuses such as Boys don't remember the pain Circumcised men do not know what it was like to be intact …
/r/MensRights29/06/13 02:01 PM
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In Australia, a single life sentence is 14 years.
/r/MensRights29/06/13 08:27 AM
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The focus on legal rights, rather than redrawing social memes, is because laws can be defined and enforced. Additionally, when people are accorded a legal right, and exercising that right becomes more commonplace, social acceptance begins to follow.
/r/MensRights29/06/13 01:47 AM
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How long is life in prison in the US? It varies by jurisdiction, for example life is 14 years where I live.
/r/MensRights29/06/13 01:41 AM
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You seem to lack trust in men No, I just don't think that any one gender has a monopoly on defining gender equality. You often hear feminists argue that men can't understand their point of view simply because they are men. You are making the same argument in reverse. I am not making the argument that women cannot understand men, I am making the argument that at the moment they do not. Consider the most influential dialogue concerning men comes from feminism at the moment. Yes, the MRM has made p…
/r/MensRights29/06/13 01:37 AM
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You assume men and women categorically fall into MRA's or feminists and that they are completely selfish. The movement you want to make will be one of male bigotry. I do not, I am well aware there are men who are feminists and women in the MRM. Having women in the MRM is acceptable, however I don't want women to reach a position in the MRM where they can dictate policy. Just because I want a men's group does not mean it will be anti-woman, just anti-feminist. You seem to lack trust in men, what …
/r/MensRights28/06/13 04:39 PM
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Thank you for the summary; there seems to be a lot that is positive in Libertarianism from my point of view. Are there negatives, or does it once again come down to the individual?
/r/MensRights28/06/13 04:14 PM
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I do not expect, nor desire, feminists to help men. I want men to make and maintain a movement for men and by men. So I'm not being intellectually dishonest. It takes more than a few platitudes for me to believe a feminist is interested in helping men only for the sake of helping men. Usually feminists want men to change their behaviour to better suit the feminists.
/r/MensRights28/06/13 04:11 PM
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My apologies, your comment seemed to indicate that my comment was as unreasonable as a species idea from sci-fi.
/r/MensRights28/06/13 04:17 AM
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Read The Body Politic , a short story by Clive Barker. Be afraid. /s
/r/MensRights28/06/13 04:13 AM
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When GWW found out about the Patriarchy's volcano base, it was all down hill from there. /s
/r/MensRights28/06/13 04:10 AM
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Actions speak louder than words. The reason for the dislike is because, in so many examples, feminists say one thing, and then do another. I believe, if more prominent and visible feminists did deeds that prove what they say feminists believe, there would be less antagonism. The existence of the 10% Doctrine, the S.C.U.M. Manifesto, NOW, The Plan, the Duluth Model, DV deception and more all mean feminists actions demonstrate they do not care for the wellbeing of men. I know I do not look favoura…
/r/MensRights28/06/13 04:06 AM
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I've been looking into Libertarianism for personal education since the WBB/AVfM issue attracted attention in the MRM. Thee seems to be different flavours of Libertarianism broadly delineated by national culture. Do you think North American version of Libertarianism bears similarity to National Socialism? Some of the descriptions of Libertarianism would seem to be something quite different.
/r/MensRights28/06/13 03:55 AM
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It is easier to suppress commentary and reduce support for a political opponent if they are demonised. Currently the MRM is gaining ground and thus is the target of such tactics, to impair our ability to get our message out. To avoid this, we need to stay on message, continue to reflect upon our position and to dismiss baseless accusations with facts.
/r/MensRights28/06/13 03:47 AM
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Summers is writing from the pov that Gillard's removal is a blow for feminism. She conceals it as a blow against everyone but really men will be better off without Gillard's brand of Labor.
/r/MensRights28/06/13 03:44 AM
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Gillard really wasn't that bad. The misogyny rhetoric was awful, but as a leader of a nation she didn't do anything particularly wrong. Lots of infrastructure spending, eduction and healthcare reforms. Some dot points to consider: The refugee swap deal announced before speaking with Malaysia's government about it The BER debacle Her misogyny rant in parliament while defending her own party's misogynist MP to retain majority Carbon trading scheme that is nothing more than shuffling money and does…
/r/MensRights28/06/13 02:06 AM
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The Labor party also made a big deal of the women who supported Gillard - Roxon and Wong; to attempt to polarise the voters against the Coalition, led by a man. Now their dialogue of empowered women has come undone.
/r/MensRights28/06/13 01:50 AM
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I am not advocating for *all women hate men" I'm discussing why some MRAs see this as a valid position. I debate positions to understand them, they may or may not be what I believe but I do argue in good faith. So I can better understand. I don't hate feminists; my political opponents are simply that, opponents. Hate takes enormous amounts of energy to maintain, disagreement is far easier on the metabolism.
/r/MensRights28/06/13 01:47 AM
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Given the current social dialogue is men should not dare to tell women what is good for them, the beginning of any restructure for men will need to address only men. If women want to emulate the example then that would be women telling women what to do, and that is currently socially permissible. The code comes over as a little preachy for my tastes. "Mother earth", "Marriage is a moral contract" are two examples. I like the idea, the devil is in the details, as always. I also prefer a code for …
/r/MensRights28/06/13 01:39 AM
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Censoring, the first and best defence feminism has against logical argument.
/r/MensRights28/06/13 01:23 AM
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You understand that the character Spock is a human stereotype made into an alien in the narrative to tell stories about how human's interact?
/r/MensRights28/06/13 01:10 AM
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"Spill" is jargon for a party removing their leader, either the Leader of the Opposition or the Leader of the Government, the Prime Minister (PM). While it is 100% legal in Australian law, where it gets murky is who gets to vote. Legally only the elected Members of Parliament of the appropriate party/coalition are allowed to vote, however powerbrokers of the party (not MPs) often sway opinion. It is given a different term, because "election" is of party representatives in each electorate by the …
/r/MensRights28/06/13 01:07 AM
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Feminists demonstrate they hate men by the protests they lead, the slogans they choose and the legislation they support. If MRAs did the same as feminists then I 'd agree with you. Calling out hateful behaviour by feminists is not hateful, it is observant.
/r/MensRights28/06/13 12:53 AM
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The MRM is the cure.
/r/MensRights28/06/13 12:45 AM
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NAFALT has been debunked. If you join a political party you support their platform, the good and the bad. Otherwise you make your own party. You elected to join feminism, which means you accept Farrell and Hoff-Summers as much as you accept Dworkin and Solanis. You might be a person who is amenable to men's rights but you chose feminism, whose antipathy to men knows no bounds.
/r/MensRights28/06/13 12:40 AM
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I agree, a throat grab is not what I consider to be appropriate interaction.
/r/MensRights27/06/13 01:18 AM
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Gillard being ousted is a men's issue because she was an openly sexist leader who was reported to have lost a significant amount of support from men in the polls. Usually polls concern themselves with what women think. Noting that men might also be a voting interest group steps out of the usually MSM dialogue. As for her treatment, given her subpar performance as PM, no PM has deserved such a lambasting as Gillard. Being a woman is not an excuse for incompetence, even for a politician.
/r/MensRights27/06/13 01:17 AM
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There was the usual "what is she wearing" from the rags that seem to focus on that aspect of anybody. There were some unkind comments about her appearance by other politicians, women and men, but no more than previous men who have been PM. Most of the flack she got was for being bloody awful at her job. She responded by spinning the criticism of her as being only motivated by sexism.
/r/MensRights27/06/13 01:12 AM
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Misleading title. The steps Gillard took to oust Rudd and secure the position of PM for herself were legal under Australia's electoral laws. The same laws that mean Rudd regaining the PM position is also legal. That said, I am happy to see the back of her. Quite apart from her rampant sexism, she was a poorly skilled PM.
/r/MensRights27/06/13 01:08 AM
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Control of dialogue makes it easier to silence criticism. Instead of the discussion being about the topic, it becomes about how the topic is discussed. It is a derailing technique.
/r/MensRights26/06/13 11:58 PM
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I am able to act as if I have no empathy, at times it is important to do so. My experience is that men are expected to manage their emotions according to the situation, sometimes this appears to the untrained eye as if they cannot express their emotions, rather than choosing not to do so.
/r/MensRights26/06/13 11:40 PM
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It depends upon the act. A single man having consensual sex outside of marriage is considered immoral by some, however it is consensual and the participants are not harmed by it. Paternity fraud is the extraction of money from a man under false pretences, that is an act that harms the man and thus would be an act that that should be criminal..
/r/MensRights26/06/13 11:26 PM
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A successful Men's Rights Movement should eventually become a successful human right's movement. This summarises my goal for involvement in the MRM. The primary issue I see with advocating a HRM at this point is that it is far too easily co-opted by the larger, more influential and better funded feminist movement. If that happens then men's issues will get buried and we will lose the progress we've made so far. To continue to raise aawreness of men's issues and to advocate for change for men's r…
/r/MensRights26/06/13 09:44 PM
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It is because these campaigns ignore the symmetry of DV that I refuse to support them.
/r/MensRights26/06/13 09:13 PM
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While the soon-to-be ex-PM did indulge in male bashing, she also suffered from incompetence. I've posted here before how she would announce policy before the groundwork for the policy was done, in essence she brainstormed in front of the nation without realising that involved parties might object. One of the deceits of this situation though, and it is a feature of Australia's political system, is Gillard is receiving all the bad press as if all of the man-hate and poor decisions were solely her …
/r/MensRights26/06/13 09:11 PM
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By "understand" I mean afford them permission to ill-treat me due to <insert excuse>. You seem to mean "understand" as in know their weaknesses so they can be more effectively opposed - I am all for that. Yes. I apologize, but I don't think I've ever seen someone use 'understand' to mean what you said. I've seen "understand" used as a weird excuse, or a call to empathise and thereby mitigate someones actions. I agree, I think t is a misuse of the word. Thanks for your reply.
/r/MensRights26/06/13 09:01 PM
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Remaining firm of conviction in the face of metamorphosing demands for men to obey feminists, or to agree with them, or to join them, or pity them, or understand them, or forgive them or even like them is admirable. Only some of those are. Refusing to obey, agree, join, pity or even like them? That's all fine. Refusing to understand your opponent makes you ineffective against them, and refusing to forgive them just makes you a jerk. By "understand" I mean afford them permission to ill-treat me d…
/r/MensRights26/06/13 11:38 AM
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The literal definition of patriarchy is:"a social system in which the male is the primary authority figure central to social organization and the central roles of political leadership" - Wikipedia By itself, leadership by men does not predicate oppression of women, especially as all adult women (in this case) have the opportunity to vote for their representatives. Now if you mean feminist patriarchy theory then that is something altogether different.
/r/MensRights26/06/13 06:51 AM
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While it is rare, sometimes there is a good reason to strike someone, man or woman. Bear in mind, you can only feel regret at having to resort to violence if you survive the encounter.
/r/MensRights26/06/13 06:05 AM
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Imagine if labiaplasty for infant girls, "for cosmetic reasons" was suggested as being acceptable. I support only medically necessary surgery on infants; they have plenty of opportunity to secure cosmetic surgery when they are adults.
/r/MensRights26/06/13 05:57 AM
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I see nothing frightening in what /r/IcarusLived posted. Remaining firm of conviction in the face of metamorphosing demands for men to obey feminists, or to agree with them, or to join them, or pity them, or understand them, or forgive them or even like them is admirable. Men do not owe a debt to women, feminists or otherwise.
/r/MensRights26/06/13 05:32 AM
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It is one alternative; I would prefer women were responsible for repaying a loan to the government than requiring a man to pay child support for 18 years and still not get to see his children.
/r/MensRights26/06/13 05:16 AM
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When effective legislation is fashioned it is used to apply to the bulk of a situation with discretion permitted to account for the outlier cases.
/r/MensRights25/06/13 10:47 PM
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There is more equality required, but we're not going to get that by abolishing parental support entirely. I was being Devil's Advocate, in case I was not clear. While I agree with all you wrote in your comment, unless men push to change the system society will remain comfortable with the idea of men being sources of money and women getting custody. The system will not change unless public opinion is influenced.
/r/MensRights25/06/13 10:46 PM
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This is why I asked, I know the laws surrounding first aid differ between jurisdictions. In some countries Good Samaritan laws only cover nurses and doctors, there are separate laws for First Aiders. Unless mandated by employment conditions, first aiders in the jurisdiction in which I live are not required to render first aid. If they do render first aid, they are expected to remain within the training of their certification. Any action outside of that could be grounds for legal problems.
/r/MensRights25/06/13 10:35 PM
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Given that women can surrender their obligations to their children in one of several ways, why can men not do the same? If the interests of the child are so important, then safe haven laws should be amended so that when the mother surrenders her child, she must provide child support for 18 years. abortion should be repealed unilaterally surrendering your child for adoption should be abolished. mothers who abandon their children in dumpsters, public toilets and local riverbeds should be tried for…
/r/MensRights25/06/13 09:39 PM
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(2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. I agree childhood is entitled to special care and assistance, not so much motherhood. Adult mothers are responsible for themselves, that is what adult means. The UN is a political group, it is not a watchdog over what is good for humanity. It is a political body that makes decisions as well, or as poorly, as any national government. It comes up with sexist drivel such as what you posted above and still wants to be taken se…
/r/MensRights25/06/13 09:01 PM
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If the more financial parent formally disowns the child, a legal declaration, then the less-financial parent is afforded state assistance as a loan until the child is of school age. After that the custodial parent is expected to return to work and the loan is paid off as a mandated deduction based upon wage.
/r/MensRights25/06/13 08:41 PM
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An alternative is to ensure adequate facilities for women.
/r/MensRights25/06/13 08:32 PM
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Child support is a bad idea AND it has been ill-used. If a parent cannot provide for the child, they should not get sole custody. That would be in the best interests of the child.
/r/MensRights25/06/13 12:50 PM
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Ironically, he is the perfect example of "Not All Feminists Are Like That." He is also a strong example of what feminists will do if one of their number breaks ranks and suggests men might have issues that need attention. In an odd way his treatment by the feminist movement reinforces all feminists are like that, or you get expelled and have to hand back your feminist card.
/r/MensRights25/06/13 12:48 PM
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What I find pleasant about Warren Farrel, from what I've read, is he is pro-men. That he calls himself a feminist is odd to me. However, he seems to be the exception that proves the rule as he was hounded at U of T, as you pointed out, by other feminists.
/r/MensRights25/06/13 12:33 PM
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Not if the men in involved want to press charges. Women perverts should not be tolerated.
/r/MensRights25/06/13 05:20 AM
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Feminism fights some gender roles of women and reinforces others. Feminism does not truly care about men's gender roles. That is why men have the MRM. I don't expect feminism to help men, I actually don't want feminists involved in men's affairs at all. I am sanguine with feminism screwing up some women's lives, it is their life, their choice. As a man though I'd like to see my sex make its own alternate path in life, free of feminist ideology. If men choose feminism then that is their choice, b…
/r/MensRights25/06/13 12:49 AM
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This could be added to with the following: Declaration of Age of all participants with notarised ID check Notarised breathalyser test Co-signed safe word to ensure "Yes" means "Yes" Agreed interval for suspension of coitus for review and additional signatures to indicate consent has not been withdrawn Agreement to have sealed video footage in both a local and remote location for validation all conditions were adhered to Additional clauses concerning public release/destruction/data retention poli…
/r/MensRights25/06/13 12:39 AM
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