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I once charted out the way a guy would have to approach a woman in order to follow all the "you'll be a creep" advice I've seen on here and it was something like this: If you're not in school you need to meet them at hobby club or rec center class, but you can't go just to meet women so you have to go to a class you're interested in and would go to otherwise (aka one full of dudes), and you can't target any woman in the group because you're attracted to them so you have to get to know everyone e…
/r/seduction30/03/21 08:55 PM
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She was flirting with him for several minutes and indicated that she would enjoy the opportunity to be alone with him in a romantic context. He's not walking up to her and hissing in her ear lmao
/r/seduction30/03/21 09:33 AM
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From how warm she seemed from your post you should ask to pick her up at the end of her shift. Also if you go back and she's still there don't mention the move at all. Just re-flirt like "I have some alcohol, do you still want to tackle me?"
/r/seduction29/03/21 07:54 AM
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There's just too many people here now. I feel bad for the guys who have their confidence shot down by the creep police. Imagine living in such an emasculated state of mind you think there's a wrong place to talk to women.
/r/seduction20/03/21 11:30 AM
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The real reason is because it's an escalation. Girls love compliments about their body from the right source.
/r/seduction17/02/21 10:28 AM
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If meaning didn't matter you could go around grunting or only say "i like legos" but no one does that. In fact I'd say the one factor that predicts game success most strongly is how much meaning someone can pack into their speech without seeming coked out. So many guys act like game is chess, they say one thing and wait for a response, and if their line was bad they lose. They should be thinking of it like boxing, who cares if there was a bad punch if you've already thrown six more.
/r/seduction27/01/21 05:47 PM
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People are obsessed with shit test spotting. If she tells you she's sucked 38 dicks then farts loudly she's just not into you, it's not a shit test. If she's into you she'll act bubbly/sexy/nervous. Remember she's trying to game you in a way too. If she's making game mistakes with zero acknowledgement she's lost attraction. Now in this case it's a bit less clear but I would take it as a signal that I need to up attraction with mood transitions, kino, verbal flirting or whatever.
/r/seduction24/01/21 12:45 AM
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It doesn't make her less attractive necessarily but it makes her less appealing to pursue. She's signaling that your chance isn't very high. If a girl is into you she goes into a kind of bubble mode where it's just you and her, regardless of how many guys are blowing up her DMs. She might talk about past relationships but talking about current competition is a sign of the beginning of the end. Of course you can always turn things around. You have to try to get her reacting emotionally rather tha…
/r/seduction23/01/21 03:25 PM
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If she brings up other guys early on it's kind of a shit test but also a kind of a sign her attraction to you isn't that high and that you have to work on building it. Women don't do things to lower their appeal if they really like the guy.
/r/seduction19/01/21 02:06 PM
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Anything that's out of scope for your frame you just laugh off and dismiss like it's obviously preposterous. Imagine she said the earth is flat or the sky is purple. The correct frame is always that you're just two attractive people meeting and seeing where things go.
/r/seduction04/12/20 07:04 AM
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I experimented with this when I was starting and let me tell you why it doesn't work. You're approaching the girl you find most attractive in the group whether you are trying to or not. Just by the fact that you find her most attractive you're hoping in the back of your mind that somehow by focusing on the other girl things will magically switch and she'll fall into your lap. Now am I saying ignore the group, by no means, but pretending your target is someone else is a strategy that relies on a …
/r/seduction17/11/20 08:12 AM
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Isn't this post exactly what it's complaining about? Who said 80 percent aren't getting anywhere? Just because you couch something in positive language doesn't mean it's positive. Just because you argue and debate doesn't mean you're negative.
/r/seduction06/11/20 08:16 PM
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If everything else in your life is bad it's doubtful that women will be good. Others have good suggestions but I'd also like to reccomend helping out other people like through volunteering, etc. It's a good way to build up purpose and self esteem. It also sparks empathy which is invaluable in starting relationships.
/r/seduction05/11/20 12:21 PM
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Personally I rate binary, is she attractive to you or not. Guys always mess up with their 8s and 9s, but then when they show me the girl is nothing special, she just meets their preference. Being calm is step 0 of game. If you're trying to get with a "9" and you haven't been before you're bound to get nervous.
/r/seduction05/11/20 02:41 AM
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Do a vibe for three beats of conversation then switch. It's beginning-middle-end. A beat is like one or a few sentences or phrases that has it's own goal of creating a certain vibe. For a joke this is like setup, punchline, follow up. You also want a meta rhythm, like tell three jokes close together and none at all for a while. It's related to the law of three. Like if you're playing sports you'll notice your opponents will often try a strategy three times then switch. And if a movie wants to sh…
/r/seduction03/11/20 07:47 PM
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I've read that ADHD may be in part an adaptive trait for seduction. Women don't want a boring guy, they want a energetic in the moment guy. The thing I would focus on is being able to suppress it for short spans of time since everything needs a rhythm and you need chill parts of the night as well, but I'd rather have to work on that and have the other part come naturally since when you're first trying to be energetic there's way more chance for cringe.
/r/seduction30/10/20 10:28 PM
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The biggest mistakes guys make on work approaches are not realizing you're effectively approaching her and coworkers so group dynamics are at play and also not recognizing that time pressure is high but often invisible since she doesn't have as much freedom to let you know. The upside is that it shows huge balls to approach at work and after a tough shift doing anything but working, like talking with an attractive person, becomes even sweeter. Also very satisfying to pull off psychologically.
/r/seduction26/10/20 11:30 PM
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The key is recognizing that every seduction interaction with a woman is essentially the same, meaning you have to escalate, but you get certain advantages compared to say a street approach based on what's happened before. So basically you have a short opening then escalate then if you got a good response escalate the next step faster and repeat (which should already happen in any interaction like I said). In fact I think the cause of a lot of relationship problems is that the guy no longer wants…
/r/seduction26/10/20 01:09 AM
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I think not attracted to you is too wide a definition and there's a ton more to verbal game than what you list. Being funnier, more articulate, wittier, more knowledgeable brings more success. I mean you think that grunting or something is just as good talking to her? Then doesn't it stand to reason there are gradations of ability in speaking?
/r/seduction11/10/20 04:58 PM
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Main post is true but this is false. I've absolutely seen it happen that a girl goes from cold to hot with verbal game. Happens when she gives up resisting your frame, usually indicted by a laugh. That's the most stark example but attraction can build over time as well.
/r/seduction10/10/20 11:28 PM
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If I'm feeling out really out of sorts, sick or w/e and there looks to be a good approach taunting me then I'll reason that a bad/low percentage approach is better than none. Like if you just go up to the table and say you noticed her and wanted to give her your number in case she wanted to hang out then give her your number on a napkin. At least then you aren't thinking about what if she was totally down etc. Pickup takes serious mental energy and it's normal to not feel able to expend that all…
/r/seduction10/10/20 11:17 PM
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That's a positive fact though? At the end of the day rejection isn't that bad, certainly not enough to make you go crazy. I don't read things uncritically, and I wanted to help you with my perspective.
/r/seduction10/10/20 10:48 PM
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Rejection isn't even top 100 most psychologically painful things. If it's one of the worst to happen to you count yourself fucking lucky.
/r/seduction10/10/20 06:06 PM
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The only reason cold approach is a thing is because you can't see the girl again 99.99% of the time. If you can then doing what you're doing and warm approaching many times is best. Just flirt a bit and you won't get friendzoned like the other poster said. Invite her to something but no need to make a big deal if you'll see her again.
/r/seduction08/10/20 04:36 AM
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Speaking from experience, 7th grade boys are essentially an ambling pile of idiotic hormonal fantasies barely conscious and responsive of what's happening around them. Give their words appropriate weight.
/r/seduction06/10/20 03:53 AM
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If you don't think charisma makes a difference then get out more.
/r/seduction05/10/20 03:03 PM
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I'm gonna zoom in one aspect of your mentality that's wrong, and I think is kind of indicative of what's going wrong overall. You say you don't engage in behavior that repulses women then give a list of what you think repulses women, but here's the thing, you obviously don't know shit because you're failing with women. Do you think that being nice and doing something for her is a 0% strategy? Do you think trying to be suave in a way that might turn out cringy is never worth the risk? Do you thin…
/r/seduction04/10/20 09:06 AM
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If a girl likes to spar verbally that's the best case scenario for pickup. Just beat her and she'll be all over you. This should motivate you to up your verbals.
/r/seduction03/10/20 09:04 PM
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Do social skills involve communication? Yes Does writing involve communication? Yes Are some writers better than others? Yes Can you become a better writer by practicing? Yes Does the above strongly infer that you can become better at communicating by practicing? Yes Since you can become better at one aspect of social skills through practicing, does that means that you increase your social skills through practicing? Yes Is seducing someone a social situation? Yes Ergo you can become better at se…
/r/seduction24/09/20 09:17 AM
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Break the touch barrier through incidental touch and through intentional touch starting from the upper arm and knee area (while sitting). The point is that these areas are non-sexual and not vulnerable to attack. Then you escalate by spreading out from there in such a way that you reach the butt, breasts groin and face last since these areas are the most sexual or vulnerable. There's no exact right time to touch and what you are trying to do anyways is recieve implicit permission to touch anytim…
/r/seduction23/09/20 04:50 AM
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I mean men probably thought to not risk drawing attention to themselves before movies, but this is kinda another way to put it.
/r/seduction22/09/20 12:21 AM
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Here's the explanation for the most famous dated stuff. Peacoking is just the realization that it's better to be a bit dorky/weird and in the limelight than to be the coolest guy no one is paying attention to. Negging is the realization that conflict and negative emotions aren't always to your disadvantage.
/r/seduction21/09/20 03:14 PM
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Not to brag but recently for me it's been more like 99 women have a fine or great interaction and one is uncomfortable. Once you learn how to subcommunicate that your intentions are good you rarely get discomfort. Also the better you get the less it comes across as a cold approach and the more it comes across as a natural interaction.
/r/seduction21/09/20 02:41 AM
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I mean I've seen it happen that they do call for that (not common but it happens). I've also had great interactions at your no go places. Heck I've even been approached by women there lol
/r/seduction21/09/20 02:34 AM
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I mean some women will call security if you so much as say hello. The fact that security was called doesn't mean you did anything wrong. At least from my perspective I think shooting your shot isn't immoral since everyone needs to do it at times. Otherwise we're kinda devolving into a class system where some are allowed to take a social risk and others aren't.
/r/seduction21/09/20 02:21 AM
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Not saying they don't, just not as commonly. If you have you should know there's inherent risk of rejection involved. Haven't seen an interaction described like that here. Everything I've seen described the guy gives up when it's obvious she's not into it. Obviously there's a medium that's hard to describe but easy to see. I tend to think that guys who are introspective enough to come here will see it.
/r/seduction21/09/20 02:15 AM
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Any approach is a psychological win. I think that's more what it means. You can't be anti-awkward 100% of the time when you're the party that needs to make things happen either. Sometimes women don't get that.
/r/seduction21/09/20 01:57 AM
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This is common knowledge at this point. This is why you aim for instadates and pulls and otherwise try to solidify the number through a toolkit of techniques. One good way to make sure your number is solid is ironically making it more of an afterthought. Talk about somewhere you want to take her and get her to agree, then a little further into the convo you go, "oh yeah, we need to exchange info" like you had forgotten. It should be like something inevitable that needs to happen rather than the …
/r/seduction21/09/20 12:51 AM
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Either the guy hid it as above or what I think is more common is they got into some social conflict with the guy so they exaggerate his faults and downplay their contribution. I ignore any blaming story without two sides. There's a reason you always get a cross examination and your own witnesses in court.
/r/seduction20/09/20 09:41 AM
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I'd love to watch, popcorn in hand, women who think they are ascended game buddahs be tasked with getting an average hard case laid through their advice. Make it ten pairs and the first to succeed gets one million dollars. It would be the best game show ever filmed.
/r/seduction19/09/20 11:57 PM
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The dude in the OP might never have been approached before and he might never be again. He could have easily missed out on this time. Like I said there are beautiful women who never get cold approached. But I think you already understand what I'm communicating and aren't discussing this in good faith. Are you really convinced nothing good will ever happen to you? Even if you work for it? I've played the resentment game before and something I am an expert on is that it's not worth it. Be thankful…
/r/seduction18/09/20 08:09 PM
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That's why
/r/seduction18/09/20 11:47 AM
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Didn't read, but can we not do the fonts?
/r/seduction18/09/20 07:48 AM
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Some women never get approached dude. Even rarer for a guy.
/r/seduction18/09/20 07:28 AM
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"Why is there a mountain in front of me now?" Because you walked through the woods. The scenery changes as you move forward. This is why you should always intend to progress and why letting things like "what does that look from across the room mean?" and "she doesn't seem interested in my opener" get into your head is a failing mindset.
/r/seduction17/09/20 12:32 AM
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I haven't seen anyone here say that cold approach works every time, but do you think that every woman will flip her lid if you say "excuse me"? You can resolve that question for yourself in ten minutes lol
/r/seduction16/09/20 11:36 PM
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You should balance out study with practice absolutely. That doesn't mean there's nothing to study. The key mindset is realizing you won't just wake up one day and be more effective in social situations through a Scrooge like change of heart, the same way you won't wake up one day better at math. You've got to get out and put in the sweat.
/r/seduction16/09/20 06:02 AM
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What!? Instant dates are fantastic if you can get them. Getting an instant date increases your odds of a day two or pull 1000%. It's super memorable since most women never get that once in their life and it makes the frame way more romantic. You have to have more faith in your game than thinking that you'll be boring her or creeping her out. More time together is always a good thing and what you want. If that's not the case then there are tons of easy blunders you can and must fix. I mean think …
/r/seduction15/09/20 11:33 AM
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A friend of mine worked some bureaucratic wizardry to do it but he won't tell me exactly what since it's probably illegal lol.
/r/seduction15/09/20 07:20 AM
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An expensive dinner date is a bad idea for a first date regardless. Go for coffee or drinks somewhere reasonable and eat the cost is the best tactic I've found. Best indicator you're free stuff is she pays more attention to the menu and server than you when you first arrive. If you get a 99% read you're being used don't be afraid to split and do some approach or text another girl, life's short.
/r/seduction15/09/20 06:52 AM
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It's possible but COVID has put a big damper on things, hence why I started posting here lol. It's basically put up with it or if you've got money and time go somewhere it's been delt with.
/r/seduction15/09/20 03:11 AM
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Like I said it's very variable. Some girls will have no problem with 100 others might take issue with 8. The context also counts, like relationships vs. one night stands. Well I'm a bit more medium I guess. I agree that sex is no fun if you don't have any connection whatsoever. It's really hot to know what type of girl she is then get her in bed moaning and see that side of her. I can make that type of bond pretty easily though. I'd just say that if a certain type of game isn't satisfying to you…
/r/seduction15/09/20 02:57 AM
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They want it because of preselection. There are lots of explanations for why it came about. It's partially a human thing and partially a women thing, but it's definitely real. You can read all sorts of theories, and there's even some real science on it, but it's not perfectly understood. Contrary to some there is also an upper limit of manwhoredom though it's more variable.
/r/seduction15/09/20 02:02 AM
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The general attitude is girls want you to have done stuff before but not during the time you are with them. As for talking about it, it's kinda polarized and can be delicate to pull off. Don't make up anything since that's a catastrophic failure if you get sussed out. Also don't give a full report since girls have a specific point on the virgin player spectrum that works best on them and you want to leave open the possibility that you're at it. The other failure point is clamming up when sex is …
/r/seduction15/09/20 01:40 AM
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So what are you worried about mr sarcasm, maybe you look better than this guy.
/r/seduction14/09/20 10:54 PM
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From what I've heard and seen of Todd he's good but his other coaches are crap and that's who you'll get. I don't know what online bootcamp is but I don't like live bootcamps. First I think game really should be a solo journey and that a good portion of success comes from the impetus to approach being generated independently. Also I'm suspicious that there's nothing stopping the coaches from taking a few hundred out of the thousands you pay to hire a planted escort. Too many guys go back to thei…
/r/seduction14/09/20 05:17 AM
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Sucks, it's easy to see.
/r/seduction14/09/20 04:54 AM
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Is that what you look like?
/r/seduction14/09/20 02:02 AM
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We don't even know what the guy looks like though.
/r/seduction13/09/20 10:04 PM
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The only thing that's appealing about this argument is that you get to act like your game is peak and everyone else is so dumb for not seeing what's obvious. Most guys aren't totally satisfied with their dating life and there's always room for improvement. Saying all game is dancing monkey is just a bad strawman. You claim that you respect yourself enough to come as you are. I respect myself enough to let myself know I could be better. Tell me which is more.
/r/seduction10/09/20 10:51 PM
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When a woman likes you she will absolutely give you covert directions on how to pick her up. This is why you always assume attraction. If the girl was giving a clue with her Japanese food comment, you bang. If she wasn't you still make a good, context aware date suggestion.
/r/seduction10/09/20 10:51 AM
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Give a purpose and time horizon in your first words and phrase it as a question. I.e. "can we meet for just a second?" "Is it alright if I say something quickly?" This is your subopener. If you do it properly it reduces the ignores by a good percentage. It softens the impact since it immediately puts out a low pressure frame and gets her brain tracking on your words. Don't wait for a reply for more than a second, just go on to your opener. The other key to stop instant rejection is approaching a…
/r/seduction10/09/20 07:40 AM
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This one goes out to all the direct game and radical honesty adherents lol.
/r/seduction10/09/20 03:13 AM
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One tip is that how was your day can be confused for a greeting, it also kinda subcommunicates "I'm lower value than you so I have to be attuned to your mood." Instead ask something specific that you know about her. "So was your aunts visit as painful as you thought?" Then she'll give you real content that you can spin into a joke or flirt or invite. Also as another poster pointed out, the octopus question could be spun in a million different ways to meet whatever goal you want. Innuendos, stori…
/r/seduction10/09/20 02:55 AM
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No offense but your replies are pretty dead. She was practically the only one using a word outside of the top 1000 English words here with octopus.
/r/seduction10/09/20 02:41 AM
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Hot people break rules.
/r/seduction09/09/20 08:02 AM
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No straight man on earth can ignore it when he sees a hot girl hanging off you. I just remember that feeling and work to achieve it even when it isn't immediately present.
/r/seduction09/09/20 08:01 AM
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I wouldn't say do nothing, but some girls do seem to have a magic number of meetings before they'll let you to a certain point. The thing is the ideal number for any woman approaches infinite and seduction is basically utilizing social and emotional force to push it down. It's tough to say whether you legitimately hit a brick wall or weakness in your earlier and current game locked you out. I think that's kind of one of games eternal mysteries. I more look at narrative to be an in date tactic bu…
/r/seduction08/09/20 06:39 AM
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If your metabolism is normal you can lose weight with low effort with just a few lifestyle changes. No sweet drinks, even diet. No sweet sauces or mayo. Olive oil, vinegar instead Drink about a gallon of water a day, try to take a drink every 10 mins. Choose one food that you have at least once a week and replace it with something healthier. 40 mins of low intensity cardio (e.g. walking) every day. 20 mins of high intensity cardio 4-6 days a week. (I reccomend HIIT) Get 8 hours of sleep at the s…
/r/seduction08/09/20 02:01 AM
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I mean I love movies and watching a good movie with a date is fun. It's just that by people time things by narrative arcs and movies are designed to provide that. One of the most successful seduction techniques is to simply not provide a complete narrative arc until you've slept with her. So like if she says she needs to leave just keep your body language and tone the same and say "that's okay" then when she says goodbye "see you" and let her walk away instead of following her and adopting a "le…
/r/seduction08/09/20 12:01 AM
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If you're real goal in this case is sex then I only do the movie if it becomes necessary to pull because mostly it's a detriment. The biggest problem is that it gives a natural end to the night when the movie ends, so if you haven't escalated before then your chances start running out fast. Also showing her a movie she doesn't like while you're engaged with it is a fast way to run down attraction. Best case scenario is she wants to show you something, meaning she's more engaged with your reactio…
/r/seduction07/09/20 08:29 PM
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I mean I do try hard so I'm glad it comes across like that. I'm just trying to spare anyone who is low experience the embarrassment of clapping back against random women trying to interact with them. I really don't mean any offense against you. Shit tests are an important topic and they are real. I don't talk about them a lot here for exactly this reason though, inexperienced guys will start to see everything as a shit test. It's way more detrimental to your game to think something is a shit tes…
/r/seduction07/09/20 07:58 AM
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Good idea. Not trying to fight you here, just to tired to write a long post right now.
/r/seduction07/09/20 07:46 AM
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Well I was gonna write a big post again but I'm confident that anyone coming into this thread will see the behavior you advise as weird and uncalibrated so just go ask anyone else about this. If you want to know more why this is wrong.
/r/seduction07/09/20 07:19 AM
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None of these are shit tests. First off you'll only get shit tests from girls you've been gaming so it won't be in your first words with her. On your first example you're just making the job of a service person harder. Having worked service I'm not messing with you when I ask you to do something, I'm doing my job and I'm asking you because I'll get yelled at/written up if the manager finds out I didn't do the task you're getting in the way of. If you want to endear yourself get out of the way an…
/r/seduction07/09/20 06:05 AM
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Go direct at first. Just tell the girl that you thought she was cute and you wanted to talk to her and get her number. In my opinion a mix of night game and day game is best. Try to approach at least three women on three different days each week. Your first goal should be to ensure that your words and intentions are 100% understood in every interaction. Speak clearly and enunciate, you also need to create a frame that cuts out or handles distractions. Your success case here isn't getting laid bu…
/r/seduction06/09/20 10:38 AM
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Is two or three dates chipping away? I guarantee if you look average or somewhat below you could get sex in two or three dates with a woman who doesn't sleep around. You literally are just living in a fake porniverse if you think that every woman goes up to guys asking for nsa sex because of his genetics. Even the above poster if the guy turns out to be a gameless dweeb I guarantee she's out of there in two minutes flat. Many women want to see you'll put in at least some effort because if everyt…
/r/seduction05/09/20 01:15 PM
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A few techniques for accomplishing this: Say things that are relevant to her and your relationship with her. Say how she makes you feel, what she's like, what you're like, what your relationship is like. How you fit in each others narrative. Give color to your speech. If you don't talk with your hands and your entire face start now. If something is funny, laugh while you say it. Modulate your voice more while you speak. Record yourself speaking and listen too it. You'll notice that you probably …
/r/seduction05/09/20 08:11 AM
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I mean opening accounts for like 90 percent of failures so I would say it's a pretty huge advantage. Of course it's rare even for conventionally attractive guys to get approached. I'm just saying you absolutely could and will fuck it up even if the girl opens you. Pardon any skeeze here but if you want proof and lack experience just look at the male half of amateur porn couples, where they aren't paid if you want. Nearly every one is average face, six inch dick and fucking a hottie. The only way…
/r/seduction04/09/20 12:28 PM
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I've been approached by women before. Getting approached just means that you get a pass on the opening and a handicap on attraction building. You still have to escalate, build comfort, and manage logistics and objections. It's far from the porno plot that some guys think it is lol.
/r/seduction04/09/20 12:12 AM
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A compliment counts shows intent (usage here is close to sexual tension) but also gives validation. Well you can look at game as keeping several "meters" in the goldilocks zone at the same time, like intent, validation, attraction, interest and others (as many as you want to extend it to and will help you really). You've correctly sensed that you can easily raise intent and validation at the same time through a compliment, but we want to keep validation medium-low while intent is high. If valida…
/r/seduction02/09/20 09:25 AM
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From a seduction standpoint female friends will either help you greatly or hinder you greatly. The test is simple, ask her to set you up with one of her friends. If she's not eager to help you in some way (maybe she doesn't have a single friend but will wing for you etc.) then she's going to subcommunicate that you are a non sexual entity to all the women she meets.
/r/seduction31/08/20 08:57 AM
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Hate to burst your bubble but it doesn't mean very much at all. People look at other people. Best case it means you won't get blown out on open if she was making strong eye contact (since that would be rude). Dudes who don't approach obsess over random looks because then they can lead a fantasy life where every girl that looks at them was totally down to bang if they'd have just approached. Of course that begs the question why don't they approach if looks are so meaningful? Because then they'd h…
/r/seduction29/08/20 04:00 PM
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In order to get truly good at game you have to be at least willing to go indirect. I'm not saying ask her for the time. I mean do your best to communicate intentions in every way but textually for at least the first part of the interaction. Game is called game for a reason. If you're good at another game, like chess or counterstrike, you probably enjoy playing it. Well women are good at the social game and they like to play, and the social game involves subtext and innuendo. This is probably par…
/r/seduction22/08/20 01:54 AM
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Get on that Stephen Hawking shit.
/r/seduction21/08/20 01:28 PM
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90% of your profile on any dating site is the first photo she sees of you. Pull out the stops. Get thin enough that you have minimal facial fat (no lines above the mouth, no padding around chin). Get your skin looking good by staying hydrated, getting consistent good sleep, moisturizing, getting some sun each day, and taking a beta carotene supplement (or eat a bunch of raw carrots). Get a haircut that costs more than what you'd normally spend and clothes that are tailored to fit, if your beard …
/r/seduction20/08/20 03:25 AM
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Only pull out stops if you're certain the set is ending (and you have significant investment). Stoicism is the way to deal with all other minor crises.
/r/seduction20/08/20 02:44 AM
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No they don't mean it to be an insult, it's just a stray observation. When I was chunkier I got Andy from parks and rec and still did alright (before Pratt was starlord).
/r/seduction19/08/20 04:18 AM
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It's tough, but on the scale of things that can go wrong in set it barely registers. As the other poster is saying get thin. Then people might say you look like Rami Malek instead lol.
/r/seduction19/08/20 04:09 AM
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Dont be afraid to take a break if you need to but you should always keep putting yourself out there since there's no perfect time. If someone says that again don't take it as an insult since they're well liked celebrities, but at the same time they aren't attractive so don't lean into it. Just briefly acknowledge and move on to a subject you know will engage them.
/r/seduction19/08/20 03:57 AM
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Getting muscular and wearing a beard compliments a bald head. Do that and you can likely pull it off, some women even dig this look above others. Other than that if you don't have the full cul-de-sac just wearing it medium short likely looks better than you think, depending on your pattern it can even look dignified. If you're dead set on keeping it there's a bunch of natural methods that work for some like rolling/needling and some oils, worth a shot. The fourth option is surgery or meds but im…
/r/seduction18/08/20 02:50 AM
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If you are actually in college I reccomend warm approach. Essentially you cold approach just to get to know someone and get their contact but don't flirt unless things seem really good. Then when you see them again (maybe a few times) you essentially cut through the open and social shield and can start escalating . Cold approach isn't really ideal, it is just necessary if you aren't going to ever see them again. If you're likely to run into someone again warm approach can make girls who would ot…
/r/seduction18/08/20 02:38 AM
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I don't know if there's really any one thing that is sufficient for success, but a lot of attitudes antithetical to confidence are sufficient for failure. People sit at home complaining there's nothing they can do and complain for years that they ran out of time without once seeing the irony.
/r/seduction16/08/20 10:21 AM
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She won't talk to you if you don't agree to be her friend. Escalation means things are progressing towards a romantic relationship. If you're escalating you can't agree to be friends. On the flip side if she claims to be just friends but accepts your flirting and physical escalation up to sex you're at least fwb and not friends.
/r/seduction16/08/20 04:24 AM
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I mean in a context of continued escalation, sorry should have been clear. In your friend zone example if the guy keeps escalating then whether she stays or leaves determines whether or not her ljbf was a shit test, and yes it can indeed be one.
/r/seduction16/08/20 02:28 AM
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Sign of disinterest = she removes herself from the interaction or cuts contact and resists being reached again (over a large enough sample time compared to the time you've known her) Shit test = she appears to be creating difficulties but is still in contact/in the interaction/coming back to the interaction This is the only standard; if someone tells you that xyz behavior or speech means she's disinterested then know that guys have come back from and turned around worse than that.
/r/seduction15/08/20 11:20 AM
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How about your personality then? I'm not just talking about how nice you are, but when you talk to women are you smooth and calm, do you say engaging things?
/r/seduction10/08/20 09:27 PM
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I mean, you give up or you don't is there really anything more than that? I can't get rid of or fight the part of you that wants to give up, I can only tell you it's a liar that feeds on your suffering. Like I said, there's practical advice on this sub and on my profile if you think that what will silence it is results, but be wary that nothing is foolproof, and all your efforts can be self sabotaged if you're intent enough on it. Since you think you look good go out there and find the women tha…
/r/seduction10/08/20 12:14 PM
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This post and the profile attached are the best argument I've seen in a long time for approaching in person.
/r/seduction09/08/20 11:57 PM
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There's a bunch of other advice on this site that you can use buy I'll say this. You need an edge. It's hard to describe but you can't just be boring normal and get girls unless the edge comes from your looks, but you figured this out. First off quit despair cold turkey, it just wants to drag you into the pit and it'll lie to do it. Second start examining and building yourself up ruthlessly, not just the normal " I've been doing something, therefore I deserve results" the new attitude is that yo…
/r/seduction09/08/20 09:25 PM
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If you up your value by attatching validation to escalation a lot fewer women will be busy in future. For example if I said you had to go to a certain place nearby for two hours tomorrow and then I'd let you flip a coin for a chance at two times your yearly salary could you make the time even if it was a busy day? Now say instead of the money the flip was for your perfect fantasy relationship, wouldn't you be even more motivated to go? Now of course you can't reasonably expect her to attach that…
/r/seduction09/08/20 11:33 AM
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Everything is fascinating if you know how to express it. Anime and video games included. Simply break it down and give background for the uninitiated. Plus you can't fake your interests and trying is sure to turn you into an offputting demi-human. Of course you won't know if you're interested in something until you've tried it for a decent period.
/r/seduction09/08/20 04:39 AM
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She's not lying, she had a great time with you validating her and is moving on to other guys validating her. It would be like if a girl who you didn't consider wife material slept with you super easily. You had a great time but soon you're on to greener pastures. If a girl 100% knows you'd commit that's as rewarding to her as sex is to you. Guys of course don't understand this since they lack that instinct.
/r/seduction09/08/20 04:25 AM
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Easiest way is to find one woman to agree and have her help you recruit the second.
/r/seduction05/08/20 08:12 PM
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Those woman talking about negging would fuck the guys they were talking about if it felt right, regardless of how they were labeled before. Labels and accumulated history and whatever else doesn't matter that much when it comes to whose sleeping with whom at the end of the night. It's about emotions. Also doing standup publicly is clearly different than telling jokes to your friends. I steal jokes from standup shamelessly and tell the same joke to multiple groups. Same idea for pickup.
/r/seduction04/08/20 10:01 PM
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Groups are advanced. Start with low pressure people like the cashier, or barista, or older person at the park etc. Ultimately you'll have to get over the idea that everyone needs to like you which is I think the cause of a lot of shyness.
/r/seduction04/08/20 09:21 PM
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Both teasing and insults (that work) lower her value if she feels it's over yours. The difference is that teasing equalizes value instead of putting her below you. I mean I agree with your take on peacoking but most guys have that take because they're still afraid of attention and ridicule, not because peacoking doesn't work. My friend had a gold sequined hoodie that he would wear out as recently as a few years ago when I last saw him and it worked great as an opener. I thought that was especial…
/r/seduction04/08/20 09:00 PM
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Be engaging and set a short time horizon until it's not needed (i.e. "I have to go soon but I noticed X", "can I say something to you guys really quick?" etc.). Of course you don't really plan on going soon but it's necessary so what you're saying they actually process instead of just thinking "when is this guy gonna leave."
/r/seduction04/08/20 04:04 AM
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Best approaches are A. Try to pull her out from the group instantly. Pros: makes it a one set immediately. Cons: likely to fail if she's engaged with the group activity or has a close bond with the members. B. Go indirect with the entire group, then try to break her off at the first opportunity. Pros: most likely to work if logistics are good Cons: requires time to isolate her, can waste time if logistics are bad C. Go direct with her in front of the group. Pros: similar time profile to a normal…
/r/seduction04/08/20 03:51 AM
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Negging doesn't have a coherent definition. If it's more aligned with a tease then it absolutely works and nearly every guy who has gotten laid in history has used it. If it's a covert insult that trys to get her to prove herself then it's very rare that a. anyone could pull it off, b. it would work in a context where you'd fail without it. As for the magic and clothes, that basically came from the realization that it's better to be that guy than the guy in the corner, which is most noobies natu…
/r/seduction04/08/20 03:33 AM
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I'm convinced no one reads How to Win Friends and Influence People and just chucks it onto every list. Thinking about other people is good advice but most of the rest is just how to treat everyone with kid gloves and never produce tension in any situation. If you want to really win friends get in an argument then resolve it. Friends who were once enemies are friends for life. On the same note and more on topic, there should always be a hint of argumentative tone in your sets. If I notice that I'…
/r/seduction03/08/20 09:23 AM
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That's good, it just means your emotional mind is lagging behind the skill of your analytical mind. Changing the emotional mind is as easy as repeatedly exposing it to what it's not comfortable with. The way guys get discouraged here is that they become too attached to one girl and can't expose themselves because of the risk of losing her. This position is irrational, firstly because you have a higher risk of losing any girl you're talking to when you aren't communicating with her. Secondly beca…
/r/seduction01/08/20 11:41 PM
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A couple rejections can feel like the world but it's not, you're doing the right type of thing so things will get better over time. Racial dating preferences are a sad reality, but there will be guys who don't care or prefer what you have. A big goal in seduction is to quickly get away from red light people (like people who reject you for your race) and spend effort on yellow and green light people, and I guarantee there's no decrease in quality from the first group to the other two (increase is…
/r/seduction01/08/20 03:46 AM
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The ideal is to apply a continuous gentle escalation, the goal being that as soon as a woman is okay with something physical happening it happens. Women literally take bad game as a failure on their part like, "I thought I was seducing a sexy guy but I guess he's a loser." It's not so PC to say but game is necessary to have good relationships with women even if you aren't fucking. If women don't see you as sexually competent and successful to some degree then they start to feel a physical revuls…
/r/seduction01/08/20 02:08 AM
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Each interaction is like a different problem from a different textbook, meaning you'll never get the advice you really want, you have to devise it yourself. That being said there are some common themes: attention, attraction, objections, escalation, logistics, friends, frame and some others. Think about and study some of these concepts. The only "life hack" type of advice that I really endorse is take up a mind sport, like chess, seriously and go to live events. That's going to teach you what pr…
/r/seduction01/08/20 01:25 AM
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There's no IOI that has enough bayesian significance to justify cutting out girls that don't give it, especially given their rarity. You can be certain you're getting eyefucked and be totally blown off. A girl could give you a stink face and be down for a pull in 30 mins. Just get enough experience and you'll see.
/r/seduction01/08/20 01:02 AM
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Sorry for getting graphic but I remember always needing to take a huge dump my first few times escalating because of nerves. If you're doing something that you perceive even subconsciously as a social risk then your body will take notice because in the ancestral environment exile was basically death. I hate to disappoint but the only way to cut down this response is exposure.
/r/seduction01/08/20 12:53 AM
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It makes me swell with hope that he can start to turn around his dating life from no interest at all to having a woman agree to isolate with him in a romantic setting through only his grit and determination. I won't say he wasn't behind to start, but he got to the point of having a date, that's huge, and people don't realize how huge it is if they haven't been denied it. People these days think they can trick life into giving up the goods by having an appropriately aristocratic mindset, thinking…
/r/seduction30/07/20 08:21 PM
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Be wary of the fact that if your scent is overbearing people will compliment you on it because they know you did it on purpose, not necessarily because it's good on you. Then because you get more compliments when its overbearing you put more on. The end result of this feedback loop is that the club stinks to high heaven even when no one has yakked or spilled cheap beer.
/r/seduction29/07/20 07:26 PM
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If you don't meet arbitrary standard of success then you are insult. Helpful, edifying advice friend.
/r/seduction24/07/20 07:25 PM
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Game has two goals: emotional connection and physical intimacy. These aren't listed on the side of any pill bottles so they aren't side effects. You have to work for them directly and they aren't totally encapsulated by just having fun with another human being.
/r/seduction23/07/20 06:26 AM
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People get pretty testy about the idea of you going up to women and asking about coffee shops huh? Reminds me of that one meme "opener go brrr"
/r/seduction22/07/20 09:47 PM
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The best thing for the man is always to have sex as early and often as possible. That said raw dogging is a big risk if you aren't snipped. Just remember the condom next time, put a box by the door or something and write a note on your fridge lol.
/r/seduction20/07/20 05:19 AM
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The reason is that it's not healthy male behavior. Maybe if you showed you really wanted to but had great reasons not to, but in the wild an available male that doesn't make a move even when prompted screams hormone problems.
/r/seduction20/07/20 04:09 AM
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Tits are great but I go for some below the belt action and try to get pants off quickly after the shirt and possibly get it undone/loosened before (skirts and dresses are ideal and you can avoid all this if you successfully seed her wearing one before the date). Reason being that the belt, button, zipper moment is a hiccup in the momentum of a hookup and that can kick her into an analytical frame of mind, and that frame tends to be where people inhibit action, especially if it's risky and novel.…
/r/seduction19/07/20 11:19 PM
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It helps in that 99.999 percent of the time you're jerking off you could be doing something better with your time lol.
/r/seduction19/07/20 04:28 PM
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Sounds like you're doing fantastic, don't listen to the naysayers, you're well on your way. People always parrot that you need you need to fail a bunch to get to success but when someone goes out and does it they're all like "ew he's failing a bunch" lmao.
/r/seduction19/07/20 03:28 PM
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Improving your life takes way more work than it returns in attractiveness. Getting a better new job might make you 5 percent more attractive for a massive amount of effort. Getting better at game could make you two or three times more attractive for the same effort. You should improve your life because of it's own rewards, not because of seduction.
/r/seduction17/07/20 11:11 PM
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Not far more powerful. What you are is small fries from big potatoes, what you say is big fries from small potatoes.
/r/seduction17/07/20 03:18 PM
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I'm sorry but, sounds like she was cold on you and you're getting gaslighted. You already knew the physical location of her house and the fact that her sister lived there so you didn't fish for new info. You'd been on six dates so you'd have to be beyond Hannibal Lecter to still be a serial killer. Just think about it, you think that this is a real barrier for her? That there wouldn't be guys that she would invite to her house sooner than 7+ dates?
/r/seduction14/07/20 09:44 AM
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If she's verbally flirty but physically reserved then you call her out and tease her for not putting her money where her mouth is. Honestly I prefer this over the other way where a girl is physically down but verbally reserved since that often goads you into bad game since you feel like you're an inch away but can't pull.
/r/seduction12/07/20 07:35 AM
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Each individual instance of eye contact in a conversation ends with someone looking away first. Break after each time that they break away first and come back in 1-3 seconds. Look away first yourself about a fifth of the time after 2+ seconds however, if eye contact has been going on for more than ~15 seconds then hold and do not break. If things have been moving along well that's also a good time to go for the kiss.
/r/seduction10/07/20 12:30 PM
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When a girl approaches you've got to get her on a date asap. Guys will get cocky thinking that everything is locked, but in truth her interest has a limited time span and she'll act like she never approached after a short time.
/r/seduction10/07/20 12:13 PM
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I will say if an extremely powerful time constraint limits her to less than 30 seconds of interaction, then you're chances of success fall precipitously. But if you start to take "don't approach when...." advice it will never stop. If you summed up all the advice of that form I've seen on this site then you'd only approach after about 2.5 months of being her good acquaintance but not her friend but you still got to know her well etc. etc. It's a farce, people who give this advice don't have your…
/r/seduction09/07/20 08:15 AM
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I know body language is huge, I'm a big believer. I'm just making fun of the cracker jack ticket stats lmao, didn't mean to bust your balls.
/r/seduction08/07/20 11:19 AM
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I didn't know about the 7 percent thing and I'd like to know how that is calculated. Seems like some Mickey Mouse stats. I doubt I could get 93% of my points across with rhythmic grunts, body movements, and facial expressions, unless I started using charades, in which case I'm just inventing a new language lol.
/r/seduction08/07/20 06:06 AM
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Men usually complain about one of the two above (hiding fat, old photos). Never heard "she was prettier in her photo for some reason I can't put my finger on", they always just come out and say one of those reasons, and personally that rings true to me. Have yet to see someone look worse in person than in a photo that represents them as they are currently with any degree of truthfulness.
/r/seduction07/07/20 10:43 PM
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No one would say your misleading them from top 1% photos unless you're hiding a whole bunch of fat or some hard years. Also I think it's important to look as good as you can at first sight since there's momentum to how a girl perceives you. If you were hot then you show up with bedhead you're the hot guy who now has bedhead but if you're just meeting her now you're the scruffy weirdo.
/r/seduction07/07/20 08:43 PM
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I think you're shooting yourself in the foot, nearly everyone looks much better in live full motion 3d. You could get pro photos and touch them up a bit and still handily beat them in person.
/r/seduction07/07/20 04:59 PM
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The last sentence is right but the rest is weird conjecture.
/r/seduction07/07/20 04:51 PM
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My personal philosophy is that it's about the journey not the destination. OP is clearly enjoying himself. When motivated people are learning on their own they automatically create the correct time horizons. That's why school is such torture, you're always either bored or rushed since you're on someone else's schedule.
/r/seduction07/07/20 04:47 PM
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That's the idea.
/r/seduction07/07/20 04:33 PM
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Exactly right, a good artist learns the rules and a great artist learns to break them. Go by your feeling not the rules since that's how you train your instincts.
/r/seduction07/07/20 04:40 AM
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If a mod reads this is it possible to move my long reply from the other thread here?
/r/seduction07/07/20 04:33 AM
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It's just shorthand. You don't want to say " I went to where single women tend to congregate and then went up and talked to one I don't know with the intention of seducing her" every time.
/r/seduction07/07/20 04:30 AM
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Dealing with service people well shows social skills. It's not a huge up but it shows you're at least well adjusted enough to deal with people who are "below" you gracefully and smoothly. You can also show that you're a social guy by starting a small convo with someone you're ordering from. Remember that when you first approach a girl as far as she knows you're a schizophrenic serial killer, a lot of the early work is just showing that you're a normal guy.
/r/seduction07/07/20 01:35 AM
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Firstly delete the link as that's now against the rules I believe. Some reddit thing is happening with the numbering. Everything after the first 2 is 2 spaces short. Getting her number early is actually smart, just don't bounce right after Dead wrong. Buying a woman a drink is a great move if done well. Just don't buy it for her as your only foot in the door/as your opener. If a bar approach is going well after 10 mins buying a drink is my go to. It has a multitude of advantages: its great way t…
/r/seduction06/07/20 03:29 PM
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You get to know her in person, text is a very poor substitute for face to face. I've known guys that met girls and chatted for hours over text in online games and forums. I warned them against it but they swore they were in love and either moved or paid to move her, sometimes from other countries. Each time the relationship falls apart and in the end took ten times the labor of something local. Yes it can work but it doesn't have a higher chance than meeting someone new in person. I'm not for ru…
/r/seduction06/07/20 07:05 AM
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Sex shifts the dynamic, pure and simple, that's why the focus. The title of this subreddit is seduction, the easiest way to seduce a woman that I know of is to already have slept with her.
/r/seduction06/07/20 02:33 AM
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Are you against making out and sexual touching and talk as well? If you let a woman wait to reciprocate sexual escalation then she'll keep on waiting while looking for better since that's her ideal strategy, plain and simple. Urgency has to be created to get someone to give you something that comes at a cost. On the other side of the equation women usually have to create urgency to get major commitment like marriage from a man.
/r/seduction06/07/20 02:25 AM
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A relationship is different than the first few dates. If you want ltr then every time you have sex increase your emotional investment. The problem is your validating her too much without any escalation in return. This is how the friendzone happens. Having sex is risky or costly for a woman since she's staking her value on yours and increasing her bodies, wheras emotional connection is rewarding because you're increasing your commitment. If you chat for hours before you've made a major move then …
/r/seduction06/07/20 01:15 AM
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Yep, if these guys had some success they'd see the inanity that a girls phone is blowing up with 24 hours a day and want to distance themselves from that as much as humanly possible.
/r/seduction05/07/20 04:28 PM
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Here's the issue, you put yourself on the level of what you'll compete with. When you text too much you become a notification on her phone screen and you get put on the same level as candy crush. Think about it, if you showed up to a tinder date and there were ten other dudes there ready to have a dance off for the date would you do it? No, you should already have figured out that even if you win you don't win because you've proven yourself equal to the worst dude there. By all means rev the eng…
/r/seduction05/07/20 04:17 PM
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Talk to her a bit before you sit down. When she gets engaged you just ask or motion quickly that you're sitting down like you would a friend who you know would say yes. This is kind of a general principle. You build up rapport so that you gain the right to do things without asking, at least asking in the way of subordination like you'd ask your 4th grade teacher to use the restroom, because women don't have sex with subordinate men. That's basically the whole process of seduction and the answer …
/r/seduction05/07/20 01:01 AM
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I don't have too many problems with alpha male game mindset, but the one I do have is that they expect too much too fast. Jesus is talking here about the nation of Israel who saw God's glory and decided they didn't have the time. In the same vein get a girl alone with you for at least an hour or two to see your game before you start expecting her to value you. If it's the first date then she still doesn't know you, just get her on the date to remedy that.
/r/seduction04/07/20 10:02 PM
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You started off with a yes or no question that's very easy to answer no. You seeded your own rejection.
/r/seduction04/07/20 09:55 PM
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If she's having sex with you pay attention to her emotions. If she's not, don't. it's that simple. Sex and emotions are like the two pins on a power socket, they have to go together in a romantic relationship. Every relationship problem happens when one is detatched.
/r/seduction04/07/20 02:23 AM
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Most guys get swiped left in under a second based on their first photo. If they're reading your profile you've already won and can only mess it up, no need to be polarizing, just put stuff that they might be curious to ask you about to make the conversation easier.
/r/seduction03/07/20 01:09 AM
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Yes, it happens more than you think.
/r/seduction02/07/20 03:27 AM
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Yep location, location, location. Alot of it is unavoidable, getting better and looking better is the main way to be safer.
/r/seduction01/07/20 11:45 PM
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I just mean being seen in multiple locations watching her. Yeah you have to follow in that moment just bridge the distance quick, a light jog is fine and if they look at you give a smile and friendly wave. As for the underage thing it's tough especially with school out. I would just approach women who look solidly mid twenties or above until you become more skilled. Or you could go to a college town or nightlife district which likely does some screening for you. Also would try to get out of plac…
/r/seduction01/07/20 02:09 PM
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People here giving good specific advice so I'll just say that getting a girl to come to your place to "cuddle" is already massive escalation so just build comfort at first by having a normal conversation over a glass of wine or something. Honestly I wouldn't put on the Netflix if she doesn't ask since that can soak up the social energy and give you reasons not to make a move. Just have a normal convo making strong eye contact then escalate fast when you feel a comfortable sexual tension if that …
/r/seduction01/07/20 10:36 AM
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If I care about hooking a girl I try to get three hookups as soon as possible on the logic that one is a fluke, two is a coincidence, but three is a pattern. That being said post sex game can be more free form since there's a power dynamic that shifts big time as most people know. The value you talk about basically equalizes in her mind, at least instantaneously, since now if you're a loser she sleeps with losers.
/r/seduction01/07/20 10:26 AM
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Doing great man. I wouldn't be worried about the police at all since it's not illegal to talk to someone in public and you're gathering your own evidence. Just be careful about anything that makes it look like you're following someone and stay away if you aren't 100% they aren't underage. It's also fucked up but if you are attractive and put together, and your manners are smooth you're risk goes down to zero.
/r/seduction01/07/20 10:12 AM
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Don't expect it to help your chances.
/r/seduction01/07/20 06:09 AM
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I always reccomend that people take up a mind sport like chess, poker, bridge etc. seriously and go to tournaments and the like if they take up pickup because the process of improving is the same. When you're in the game performing you aren't thinking about all the games you've reviewed and books you've read, but it still helps because over time you integrate these things naturally. In the same vein I always give specifics as an example, not a paint by numbers, since examples are a powerful peda…
/r/seduction01/07/20 06:04 AM
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If a girl asks you this you make a joke or tease her or do something to create an emotion and don't answer. It's not that the data itself is crucial, it's that if she's seriously mining for this sort of info she's in an analytical frame of mind and you need to break it asap. Why? Because emotions are the primary reason we do things, analysis is the primary reason we don't so if she keeps analyzing rather than feeling she'll find a reason to drop you.
/r/seduction01/07/20 05:52 AM
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The only thing that works to cure fear is exposure, that's the only thing. So if you aren't afraid of asking for directions then don't bother doing it. It takes a few months for your brain to rewire completely, you'll know you're doing it right if you have a lot of dreams all of the sudden. As far as other people's thoughts who cares? Every guy wants to be smooth and pick up that girl at the grocery store, every girl wants to be swept of her feet by a handsome stranger, you're just the guy who i…
/r/seduction01/07/20 05:42 AM
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Sounds like you just have to get her alone. I'd have made a play after pizza.
/r/seduction01/07/20 05:33 AM
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By confirm I just mean get her to mention the date. You don't have to say, "hey are you still coming or were you gonna flake" just say something like "excited for tomorrow, how about you?" Then when she responds you tell her to keep her phone on tomorrow and then tell her a reason. Could say it's work related, traffic, directions, or a surprise or whatever. Then on the day of get her to talk again about the date. If you can't get her on the phone twice you really believe that she was planning on…
/r/seduction01/07/20 03:38 AM
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What's even weaker though is showing up to a venue with no one coming and wasting your afternoon. Girls flake often enough in 2020 that it's necessary. Part of the need for good game is to make room for the necessary neediness and creepiness to get laid. Also game only works in your presence, and in your presence you can quickly repair damage done in your absence. So there is an actual real need to get her back into your presence.
/r/seduction01/07/20 12:46 AM
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I agree but I think your allotment is off. One third of your waking time is 5 hours 20 minutes assuming you sleep 8 hours. I don't know how I could spend that much on health. Wealth will take longer than you've allotted by at least a little bit for most people. My family are fine with a weekly call and holidays and I don't know how I would work on my relationships with the general public. As for my mental health I'm generally best off when things are going well in other spheres including dating,…
/r/seduction30/06/20 04:26 PM
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Sunk costs only applies if the ship is really sunk. A girl you've already opened is going to be easier to game than a cold approach. Of course each cold approach has the chance to be a jackpot. The real tactic then is to keep approaching and keep as many numbers in your phone as you have time for. The good thing is the more a girl goes cold the less time you spend on her number, therefore just keep numbers based on how you feel about the girl, not how active the number is. Eventually you'll have…
/r/seduction30/06/20 03:51 PM
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I don't deny and I haven't read or watched any pua that I can remember saying that they didn't think women are people, that's just the projection of the guilt most guys have around sexual activity. What you've discovered is the meta part of game called narrative, how you fit into a girls life story that she tells herself. It's a very powerful effect and it tends to act over longer periods of time and rewards unique and memorable game. But tactical game is still important and no asking a girl to …
/r/seduction30/06/20 01:30 PM
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Yes The good part of all methods describe the same thing, it is that thing you want to study, not the methods. Being extraverted in a colloquial sense isn't. Being extraverted in a scientific sense means being more motivated by the potential for positive experience rather than avoiding bad experience. Since novel social situations have high potential for positive and negative experience extraverted people tend to be more social. I would say that for pickup you do need to be more motivated by the…
/r/seduction30/06/20 02:19 AM
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If a girl is attracted to you she'll assume you're getting all kinds of attention. No need to disabuse her of the notion.
/r/seduction27/06/20 07:19 AM
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Assumption openers are good but they should be like a horoscope, always interpretable as right. Also you should put some micro openers in front of your real opener so that her brain can start tracking on the conversation with you before you put in any real content. Micro openers are like, "hey can i get to know you quickly?" The point is you set up a very basic frame which would be acceptable for strangers in public like meeting or getting to know or chatting, and you set up a basic time gate, "…
/r/seduction27/06/20 02:16 AM
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Preselection is important and underutilized. It works and it works well since it helps break the striving pickupy frame and move towards one of normalcy and inevitably which is what you want. Most of the time like you said it's a bootstraps thing though, you have to hit the bricks and work hard to make your first 50k before you can invest it and make a million. However you can absolutely hire an escort for their actual namesake purpose and have it boost your odds. I don't reccomend it unless you…
/r/seduction26/06/20 12:48 PM
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If you noticed these guys and remembered them then it already worked better than what most guys do. Just put the braggy photos like shirtless, with girls, with celebrities, with expensive stuff towards the back so it isn't your first impression.
/r/seduction26/06/20 12:36 PM
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The end is what you want it to be. Pickup is a tool, whether you want one high quality ltr or many lays or something else is your decision.
/r/seduction26/06/20 02:53 AM
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Startled and wanted to leave: this is why you time gate by saying you need to go soon too as that reduces the pressure of "when is this ending" off, esentially you should be pulling a Columbo "just one more thing" until you read that the girl is no longer uncomfortable about time pressure. Feel like they only want sex/like you for your body: this is why going indirect is best but also the hardest since you have to come up with a good reason for approach and then transition to escalating. Going d…
/r/seduction25/06/20 10:39 PM
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You should be comfortable like it's a normal conversation but you have to include an element of escalation or you won't get anywhere.
/r/seduction25/06/20 10:25 PM
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They see what they want to see. You can approach hundreds of women and still have special relationships with each one that will give you the time of day. Look up savants like Kim Peek, the human memory isn't limited in any practical way within a human lifespan. Good thing is the percentage of women who are on reddit is zilch and the percentage of women on reddit who go to that garbage dump is likewise small.
/r/seduction25/06/20 02:33 AM
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That's weird as fuck. I don't know how but I feel this will backfire. Tell your mom that you're good and will manage things on your own.
/r/seduction25/06/20 02:25 AM
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Its crowded and she didn't even try to end the encounter verbally lol. I know it's in vogue that whatever a woman does in the name of safety is considered "justified" but it's not reality. Like if she kicked him in the nuts it would be justified too because it was such an unsafe situation? Give me a rest.
/r/seduction24/06/20 09:39 PM
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I understand state and flow and not wanting to feel robotic, but in every other high performing pursuit the currency of analysis is respected. What does the chess champion do right after his game? He reviews it. When it comes to interpersonal relationships this knowledge becomes verboten for some reason and everyone is obsessed with being "natural"as if it were carved at the top of the ten commandments. Analysis is the crucial missing thing in most people's social and dating life. It's the only …
/r/seduction24/06/20 09:10 AM
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That's hilarious lmao. You're fine though, some girls are weirdos, just avoid.
/r/seduction24/06/20 04:20 AM
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Yes it benefits her, yes you are equals, but you do try, you do achieve, you do fail, you may have negative emotion when that happens. Giving people things that benefit them is work too, just as we work to give others knowledge by speaking as we are doing now. Saying you shouldn't do hard sets is like only playing aces as a poker strategy, it is just bad strategy. My whole point is that you are deciding who you are at every moment of your existence. The authentic self is the changing self, it is…
/r/seduction22/06/20 02:47 PM
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Please read my post and don't skim it, I'm not in favor of suppressing desires or becoming a sociopath. You DO want to achieve sex with the women you're picking up. It doesn't make you inferior to her or cause you to give away your frame to admit that to yourself. You DO feel bad if you fail. But it's not the end of the world or a reason to give up. You should be taking actions that work towards the goals and emotions that are actually present in you. Seduction is grit, diligence, reflection, an…
/r/seduction22/06/20 02:06 PM
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ALERT! DONT FOLLOW THIS ADVICE. This advice is wrong and dangerous. This is the type of advice that will waste years of your life. Read this if you don't read the rest: DELIBERATE INTENTIONAL PRACTICE AND SEEKING FEEDBACK IS THE ONLY WAY TO IMPROVE AT ANYTHING BEYOND A BEGINNERS LEVEL. If you believe OP you stop trying in interpersonal situations and convince yourself that results are coming without your effort as long as you do things naturally. Results don't come and they don't come and they d…
/r/seduction22/06/20 12:25 PM
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Women want guys who are legitimately strong. You get points for openness if it verifies your strength, not in and of itself. This doesn't mean you can't show negative emotion or trauma but it had better be fresh, powerful, and you had better be defiant in the face of it. Guys will blubber about how they were bullied in high school and how they always felt chubby and then wonder why their girl left. If they had grown some standards then asked themselves if they were living up to them from time to…
/r/seduction21/06/20 02:56 AM
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Is forgetting a power of two or a minus sign on your math homework a dumb mistake? Of course it is, but every single math student has done it because in learning math there are so many opportunities for dumb mistakes that they're bound to happen. Listening to the criticism of people who don't approach is like listening to a fifth grader who looks at your college level math homework and says "wow look how dumb you are, you forgot a minus sign." You are going to make creepy mistakes, weird mistake…
/r/seduction20/06/20 02:00 AM
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What women notice and what attractive men are doing are two very different things.
/r/seduction20/06/20 01:50 AM
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If you start approaching odds are someone, somewhere, at at least one point will think you're creepy, but it doesn't matter. The same could happen if you don't approach, you can't control people's perceptions completely.
/r/seduction19/06/20 02:11 AM
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Boyfriend busting does work and sometimes you're not even busting a real boyfriend, but I just can't stomach it. I'd ask her to decide if she has a boyfriend or not before she comes over.
/r/seduction19/06/20 01:58 AM
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Giving a crap what other men think about how attractive certain women are is mind bogglingly stupid. You have to fuck her with your dick not theirs lol.
/r/seduction18/06/20 12:30 PM
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This chart is a joke, it literally disproves itself lmao.
/r/seduction18/06/20 12:25 PM
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Yes. You're supposed to explore your sexuality with your girlfriend. If you don't tell her are you going to bottle it up your whole life? (pun not originally intended)
/r/seduction18/06/20 12:19 PM
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What's awkwardness? It's basically one part natural tension and one part overthinking and being in your head a.k.a anxiety. Here's what you do, first kill the overthinking/anxiety with a few simple techniques: Learn to ground yourself in the moment. There are a lot of techniques for this online. My favourites are focus on the breath and inhale-hold-exhale-hold repeat counting 5 seconds each time, and count 1 thing you can smell 2 things you can feel 3 things you can hear 4 things you can see, mi…
/r/seduction18/06/20 07:36 AM
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In this, the practical solution really is best. You just have to move. Start grinding in your financial life to make it happen.
/r/seduction17/06/20 06:04 PM
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I know it sounds weird but if you have too much fun on a date and it doesn't lead to sex then you're more likely to get a flake on the second date. The best thing about the date should be you so talk focused really is best, and near your house for obvious reasons. Also many short activities are better than one long one for memorability, you should leave each one before it fully feels like it's time to leave as this keeps momentum high and builds up desire for a resolution. This helps to pull but…
/r/seduction17/06/20 06:00 PM
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If you can write this post you can learn to hold a conversation. Just relax. Remember about "awkward pauses" that most of the awkwardness comes from your feeling of it. Hollywood doesn't include pauses for time and budget but real conversations will have pauses, don't rush to say something if you don't have something that needs to be said yet.
/r/seduction17/06/20 01:37 PM
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Overcoming objections IS building comfort.
/r/seduction17/06/20 10:34 AM
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Frequently, saying you have netflix, food, wine, video games etc. at your place can overcome objections. When you get there you should actually have it.
/r/seduction17/06/20 10:25 AM
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Something that isn't high enough art that it's disrespectful to talk over or has a plot that can't be followed if you miss one line. Also something with good looking people helps to set a sexual mood as odd as it sounds, and if she's seen it before it's less likely she'll get super invested interrupting activities. So basically tween girl stuff and romcoms fit the bill the best.
/r/seduction17/06/20 09:58 AM
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Then congradulate your girlfriend on quitting meth.
/r/seduction15/06/20 04:10 AM
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Just do the same stuff with her? If she won't and it's not something like doing meth then she prob doesn't like you that much lol.
/r/seduction14/06/20 09:28 AM
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Some things are about safety and ethics and not about maximizing your chances with one particular girl dude.
/r/seduction14/06/20 09:24 AM
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You can get results without this technique lol. The problem is that you have no idea what's going on in her head if she can't leave, if she can leave you know her mental state isn't that bad because she's not leaving. Maybe if the train or bus is empty and you don't block the aisle it's okay, otherwise it just takes one jumpy girl to get you in trouble with the law or if you're really unlucky some criminals. I don't give a shit about being PC, but I care about my time and safety. I would give it…
/r/seduction14/06/20 03:06 AM
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They don't know because of P /= NP i.e. appreciating isn't equal to performing, not because they're malicious.
/r/seduction13/06/20 11:51 PM
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Feel free to do this when the girl can walk away (dont follow her). But when she can't then this can be a bit risky, also kinda in bad taste.
/r/seduction13/06/20 08:58 PM
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If it gets to the point that a girl introduces you to her friends, then it shouldn't really matter if you approached one. Majority of women don't view getting approached as a crime, especially not ones you picked up from approach. Also you can even approach the same girl twice and get a good result the second time, even if she remembers the first! You've got to stop looking at pickup like it's a dirty deed. That's a very limiting mindset. It's also self confirming since guys will project that th…
/r/seduction13/06/20 01:58 PM
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It doesn't necessarily mean anything. Approach and don't read into it. Even if they were it won't necessarily make the set any easier. Women aren't like men.
/r/seduction13/06/20 12:55 AM
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I agree, he needs to work on his cardio so he isn't out of breath after he runs up =)
/r/seduction13/06/20 12:11 AM
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Caring about random looks is the surest sign that you need to be approaching more. Once you've approached you'll know that it means basically nothing. At best it means you won't get blown out on the open, that's if they really were intentionally staring at you without thinking you were staring at them.
/r/seduction12/06/20 11:56 PM
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Move out asap, but you already know that I assume. Just getting a number becomes easy or somewhat easy after a while for most guys. The question then becomes how solid is that number, sometimes it's a rejection. If you learn to fail in the right way you can get a number everytime as a party trick even. You make the number more solid by creating a more memorable experience for the girl and setting up as much of the logistics as possible beforehand. Getting a number is still the best percentage pl…
/r/seduction11/06/20 06:28 AM
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Everyone's focused on what to say about the coffee, but here's an even better tactic. Her saying "I don't know what to say" is a positive enough response that I would count my question about the coffee as a success and just change topics and start vibing. If a girl says she's confused or doesn't know you don't want to force a resolution to that like you're a seedy car salesman, car salesmen have to do that because their relationship to you is limited, but they get a bad reputation because of it.…
/r/seduction10/06/20 10:54 PM
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You should start flirting with or seducing a woman you're interested in right away, but "a confession of feelings" is just a shit seduction tactic. It comes across like a low value hail mary play because that's what it is in pretty much every instance it's used. It happens when a dude believes that there's too much of a value gap between himself and the woman so he doesn't go after her right away. Then after a while he goes crazy thinking about how good his life would be if he had her, but inste…
/r/seduction10/06/20 09:50 AM
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I think the confusion just comes from confidence meaning too many things. Be humble in that you understand you don't know everything, will accept instruction, won't underestimate the challenges you face, won't grandstand or act arrogant. Be confident in that you're secure in yourself and your core value, are relaxed in high pressure situations, and don't give yourself away to depression and anxiety.
/r/seduction09/06/20 01:02 AM
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What's the point of these generalizations that aren't even true? There are tons of examples of couples that were faithful their entire lives together. Stop only giving pessimism the benefit of the doubt.
/r/seduction09/06/20 12:30 AM
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It's inefficient to accept being friends with a girl in the hopes of an introduction or getting back with her. Accept being friends if you actually want to be friends; if you don't know give it some time.
/r/seduction09/06/20 12:04 AM
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Responding to her as a person will help you with getting laid. Pickup isn't acting because there's no takes, and everyone knows that even the best improv is mostly crap, therefore your best bet is having genuine reactions to what she is telling you and doing. The other option is just suppressing your natural reactions which comes off as fake or obsequious. My guess is either you're too nervous in set so you're coming off as fake to yourself or you really do lack some basic ability to realate in …
/r/seduction07/06/20 08:43 PM
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You react within three seconds. Surely your reaction time isn't that slow lol. How do you react within three seconds and be completely comfortable that you have the perfect line in your head and arent going to fuck it up? You don't.
/r/seduction07/06/20 10:01 AM
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Here's how fear works. You do something, you don't die, you aren't subject to serious pain or injury, you get a little less afraid of it. Wash, rinse, repeat.
/r/seduction07/06/20 01:55 AM
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The main thing is just avoid looking like you're awkwardly standing around, since security is also looking out for this behavior from theives. You should always do this anyways since it screams low value. One good tactic for longer sessions is bring a small laptop or iPad that you can work on but quickly put away when you see an approach. The only way you'll typically get burned for pickup alone is if there's a complaint. If you're good enough you can pretty much avoid this 100%. Even if you're …
/r/seduction06/06/20 09:16 PM
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Cold approach isn't illegal (or I haven't heard of where it is), so if you're in public you're fine, but security is there to maximize profits for the mall, so they'll harass you as soon as they see you as a threat to that. Best practice is to have an errand in mind when you go to the mall so that you look like you are busy and patronizing the mall, just work on it slowly and approach along the way. Also long term it can help if you get to know some of the employees and even security guards as t…
/r/seduction06/06/20 08:20 PM
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I realize you aren't serious but I am by most accounts, yes. An uncalibrated approach can be a bummer to deal with, I've dealt with it myself. They're mostly perceptive enough to get the clue after I just stop responding to them, though. Even then I simply don't believe that imposing on others in a non forceful manner is wrong. Eventhough rejecting people in any context is annoying, I don't begrudge them, whether they're a bad flirt at the bar, or a homeless person on the train platform, their r…
/r/seduction06/06/20 12:36 AM
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You build up some rapport so you aren't purely strangers and you start with the outside of the upper arm, not the lower back. If you're going to be having sex you're going to be touching, and ramping up slowly is simply the easiest way to get to that point. Verbal and nonverbal cues from your previous touching are your permission to continue. It's simply anti-seductive to ask for explicit permission for every little thing you do.
/r/seduction06/06/20 12:01 AM
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Aware of what? Women and men settle all the time and they don't settle all the time. I'm here to talk about seduction obviously.
/r/seduction05/06/20 06:25 AM
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Who the fuck is Shad? Edit: and if you won't let yourself have it good because someone else seems to have it better then you'll never be happy in any aspect of life. Stop examining your enjoyment through the lens of what everyone else has and just enjoy it.
/r/seduction05/06/20 06:16 AM
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You weren't supposed to read yet lol. Just delete this from your mind and go direct and natural for now.
/r/seduction04/06/20 11:15 PM
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Read this message only after doing twenty five more approaches: Alright, ready? At some point you have to go beyond the meet cute movie vibe because it's too validating to the woman upfront. It's addictive because the woman is overjoyed and will give you all sorts of positive feedback but then the easiest thing for her to do is reject you. Why? It's like she got her paycheck at the start of the week regardless of what she does, so why would she go into work (remember an approach is work for her …
/r/seduction04/06/20 10:20 PM
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This is really fantastic content you're putting out. If you keep it up this place might get too crowded.
/r/seduction04/06/20 12:35 PM
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Tends to be very polarizing. For humor I tend towards a sarcastic Doug Stanhope/George Carlin as my natural style but have learned to move towards a more normie Kevin Hart/Dane Cook style when I'm just meeting people because some people won't get it and may even be offended. On the other hand it can be a panty dropper if you meet a chick with the exact same style of humor. Just test a joke every now and then and be on the lookout.
/r/seduction04/06/20 12:30 PM
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The thing in seduction is that it's both never and always make or break lol, so no real reason to worry. If you have alternative contact info I would go on that if snapchat isn't working. There are silence buster texts but since you've already messaged multiple times in a row you're kinda past that. Just wait longer than you did to send your last message and message like everything is totally normal through another medium trying to setup a date. If that gets no response and you aren't blocked an…
/r/seduction04/06/20 03:50 AM
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I would say if you're already alone lean towards escalating by getting clothes off rather than fingering under them, but that's a minor point. There's no problem taking a long time to escalate but you can kind of go stale at a certain level and it can become a turn off or kill the energy, like if you're making out for hours on end but can't get further then probably just quit for the night. If you can't get sex then ideally you want to leave her wanting more of whatever you can get. Sometimes wa…
/r/seduction04/06/20 01:27 AM
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As for what to do next I think you need to kind of let the whole thing cool off and mention what happened as little as possible. Treat her more like a fresh approach. You kinda made a second blunder by apologizing for escalating because you've basically said subtextually that sex with you is negative and you can't really un-say that directly. That being said there are still chances if she's still in contact, especially looking at your stories unprompted etc.
/r/seduction04/06/20 12:44 AM
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Sorry read the edit
/r/seduction04/06/20 12:33 AM
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Edit: My message before was too harsh, everyone has bad and terrible sets. To borrow from poker terminology think about your ranges for escalating (green light), holding (yellow), and pulling back (red). If "can I make a move?", "do whatever you want" isn't in your green light range then what is? Only her jumping on your cock?
/r/seduction04/06/20 12:17 AM
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Pursuit of a woman should end when the pursuer wants it to end. I'm not for artificially lengthening or shortening the process. If a student wants to keep going with a woman it's because they feel there's an experience that they still need to have with her and if he wants to stop it's the opposite. The thing about these feelings is they can't really be evaluated factually because they're self fulfilling in a way. If the student thinks an event will be important it will be because importance is a…
/r/seduction03/06/20 10:05 PM
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I've no idea. I guess that type of thing would have to be studied. Just saying that you could look good buff with long hair, and "could" is good enough for the individual since individuals don't live inside generalizations.
/r/seduction03/06/20 09:19 PM
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Fun that's appropriate to the situation. I don't mean act like you are rolling on molly on the train platform. In that situation it's the fun of being socially carefree and willing to meet new people. Just by talking to her and by your tone and body language you can demonstrate this. I also didn't mean show yourself as the guy people come to, I meant be inviting to her, i.e. talk to her as if you expect her to respond in kind, even if she's giving you one word answers for now.
/r/seduction03/06/20 09:06 PM
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"Hi, what's your name?" Can be fine to start depending on how you follow it up. But I suspect you're not really looking for common ground in good faith.
/r/seduction03/06/20 08:55 PM
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Fat is feminine, it does you no favors regardless. Tall and buff with long hair looked good on Pete Steele, searched "buff long hair" and found some other models too.
/r/seduction03/06/20 08:51 PM
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No, just be friendly, social, interesting. It's not hard to be more fun than "I don't talk to strangers".
/r/seduction03/06/20 08:39 PM
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Or it could be random. And why wait for this type of signal which may never come when you could know if she likes you in a couple hours of interaction at most?
/r/seduction03/06/20 09:35 AM
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It's simply THE most fertile hunting grounds, especially large colleges, along with the coffee shops, restaurants, and bars nearby.
/r/seduction03/06/20 07:40 AM
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I feel like this is just some sort of weird wish fulfillment fantasy story. The bottom line on how human behavior reflects internal state is that it's an inconsistent muddy window at best and tends to invert at inopportune times. There's still no reliable way to tell if a person is lying, for example, despite much more scientific effort being put into that than romantic interest. If you want to use IOIs (indicators of interest) they MUST be catalyzed by escalation on your part. If you're using s…
/r/seduction03/06/20 07:30 AM
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It doesn't change how people evaluate your looks so I don't know where you're getting that. Another thing to note if you're using this is that if you mess up and don't follow the three second rule, which will happen, still approach, don't use that as another excuse.
/r/seduction03/06/20 07:11 AM
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Tons of events happen on college campuses not limited to the student body, no reason to exclude them.
/r/seduction03/06/20 07:00 AM
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It's about getting them to accept your frame that there's nothing wrong with the interaction. The key to getting someone to change frames is not to try to force it by calling them out constantly, for example. Make your frame the one where fun things are happening and anyone can join and theirs the one where they're tense and uncomfortable. Then you just need them to forget their ego for a moment and they'll come over. The typical sign of a frame change is that they laugh and body language relaxe…
/r/seduction02/06/20 08:42 PM
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Haven't been there but every culture has a shield between their real thoughts and the public. In some cultures it's coldness, some politeness, and in some it's fake familiarity. Your job is to drill through to the person underneath, the latter can actually be harder to pierce.
/r/seduction02/06/20 08:05 PM
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You're not that old and it's not a big deal even if you were. Think about it, why would being a virgin hold you back? Because the girl would think that there is something wrong with you that other girls saw and didn't want to sleep with you for, but if you give her enough evidence directly why there isn't anything wrong and in fact many things right with you then that will override the possible secondhand evidence of other women's opinion. Many times it won't come up, if it does and you feel ner…
/r/seduction02/06/20 07:57 PM
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Guy sounds coachable if he's obsessed with game. No socials and long hair can absolutely work if it's done right, no idea about his particular situation. If his hair looks like a rat's nest tell him that instead, you won't convince him long hair guys don't get girls because it's just not true.
/r/seduction02/06/20 07:19 PM
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Why not fight with every ounce of your strength until life forces you into the ground rather than give up and do yourself? That sounds more worthwhile and more fun to me, at least failure feels like something, depression is just a void. And fitness is determined after the music is over, never before. You talk in your post about anger, envy, and frustration. I think that's actually good. It means there's still passion in you and that can be forged into the motivation you need to take aim at life …
/r/seduction31/05/20 07:12 AM
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I agree it's probably the best general seduction advice, but it's just framed oddly here. Doesn't really answer what they say it does in a direct sense. I don't think you can put a percentage on theory vs. practice really, people tend to get better in fits and starts when they're exposed to and integrate the right piece of information. Practice is better for integrating and theory for exposure.
/r/seduction31/05/20 05:03 AM
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I guess newer people need stuff like this but it's kinda like if someone asked you about chess strategy and you just told them to go play more chess. That's not really wrong but it also isn't what they asked.
/r/seduction31/05/20 02:26 AM
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It seriously doesn't happen that often, even at clubs it's less than you might think. That's why cold approaching is a super power. Doesn't matter if everyone had The Game forcefully blasted into their eye sockets or something, the number of guys who will actually approach will always be low, giving you a big advantage. Edit: I'm male btw
/r/seduction31/05/20 02:08 AM
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Realize nobody gives that much of a crap but you. You're ancestors probably had to scalp an enemy warrior, get stung by a bunch of fire ants then circumcise themselves to be considered a man in the tribe and have an opportunity to mate. If all you have to do is face short term embarrassment a few hundred times then be happy.
/r/seduction31/05/20 01:59 AM
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Common female dating advice is mostly crap. The principal's are exactly the same between men and women since they're also effectively the same as sales which is all just based on psychology. The difference is that your goal state may not be as sex focused and men's objections and attraction triggers are different. The framework is the same, and that includes approaching and putting yourself out there.
/r/seduction31/05/20 01:50 AM
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Reading into it too much, approach. If you're analyzing the action for more than twice as long as it took to happen then you are overanalyzing.
/r/seduction31/05/20 01:42 AM
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If she's willing or suggested it then you absolutely should. The hierarchy for isolation is your place>her place>place near yours>place near hers>other place. If she's willing to go to a place up the hierarchy then don't go lower. You want sex to happen soon since then her status becomes entangled with yours in her mind making future interactions much easier.
/r/seduction30/05/20 11:48 PM
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It's just efficient and I don't see how it's wrong. Not saying to brag but you don't have to lie to the girls you talk to about the others.
/r/seduction30/05/20 11:40 PM
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Focusing on number of lays to brag I assume rather than your own enjoyment is dumb in the first place. You'll get bored of any huge commitment you make for such a goal long before you're successful, especially since you can get better results just by practicing seduction.
/r/seduction30/05/20 11:33 PM
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Stop pursuing a woman when you feel like it. Not when internet "alpha males" tell you to.
/r/seduction30/05/20 11:25 PM
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The answer to "is it possible to get every girl with good enough seduction technique?" is "depends on your definition of possible". That's staring at the infinite rather than the next step on the road which is "there was something I could have done better in that interaction."
/r/seduction30/05/20 09:26 PM
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This is really bad, terrible, b.s. advice. I've gotten lays off of discussing the meaning of entropy with women before and summarizing the plot of sci-fi novels. All that matters is that what you're talking about is something you're passionate about, something that makes you live life in color, that you read the interaction properly to see if she's engaged or showing disinterest, and that you don't sacrifice escalating. Contrary to popular belief I've found that it's easier to seduce smarter wom…
/r/seduction30/05/20 08:07 AM
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For a beginner be direct (as in say she's cute or you'd like a date from the jump) and SPEAK CLEARLY. Women won't try to clarify if they don't understand a guy they just met. Talk from your diaphragm, open your mouth wide, talk a bit louder and more slowly than normal and enunciate, if even one word is misheard it can kill an approach and you won't know why. Fashionable form fitting clothes, clean haircut and facial hair and absolutely no bad smells (if you need to be told, some guys really do).…
/r/seduction29/05/20 09:19 PM
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The test of general advice is if it works for lots of people over long periods of time. If people still talk about it after 20 years give it a read, otherwise ignore. By the same token it's good to start with some ancient advice e.g. Book of Proverbs, Bhagavad Gita, Meditations etc.
/r/seduction29/05/20 07:48 PM
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Most often hottest girls are in groups so you just have to do them. They're harder and more intimidating but you can win bigger too. For example if the whole group laughs at your joke you now have instant social proof. You generally can't seduce the whole group especially mixed gender so save being direct for when the group accepts you more or less and you can create a sub conversation with your target or a smaller set that includes her. Also you can wait for a moment that your target's attentio…
/r/seduction29/05/20 09:54 AM
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Because this is a seduction subreddit. If you don't want to approach or escalate then don't, but that's not a seduction technique.
/r/seduction28/05/20 03:28 AM
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I'm a sex positive person. If you think sex is gross then we'll have to agree to disagree.
/r/seduction28/05/20 03:22 AM
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Couldn't have put it better
/r/seduction28/05/20 03:19 AM
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If your concern is moral then all you can do is look into your heart of hearts and realize you're a person who wants the best for her and if she gets your actions warped it's not a reflection on who you are. There will be bumps and rejections and even rarely blowouts but that's part of learning and not the end of the world. If its practical then that's basically what seduction is all about. Look up touch escalation ladder for physical escalation. For verbal flirting, ramp up from general stateme…
/r/seduction28/05/20 02:41 AM
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A long timespan for an approach is 30 mins if it goes well. Most take 1-10mins. That's 6 women per week and I included additional time for dates. If that's not enough then you'll have to change priorities, but let's be honest, it's enough. Also, the hardest working person I know does 12*6 and has a house in one of the most expensive cities in the US, giving him an additional 8 hours per week over my estimate.
/r/seduction28/05/20 01:46 AM
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No disrespect to whatever you've found works for your own health. Feeling healthy and energetic is top priority for everything. The feminist thing is way overblown by people who are chronically online imo. The ones who really hate men aren't the ones you'd think of approaching. The rest just give it lip service for clout in their social group, same as MAGA chicks and every other ideology. They'll all easily sleep with a hot guy of the opposite view. Only real time you have to worry is when a "gr…
/r/seduction28/05/20 12:56 AM
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Sexualizing isn't objectifying. I don't have sex with objects. Well, most objects. You can date them and have sex with them, you dont need to have one night stand only. If anything before marriage is casual for you then I think you're in the wrong subreddit.
/r/seduction27/05/20 10:57 PM
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5 why wouldn't you want to sexualize a hot woman? The joy of seduction is sexualizing a hot woman then having sex with her. Also you should approach, not keep doing what you're doing. 14 if these were actual indications that they were attracted then you'd be talking about how you're having more sex, not how you're getting more looks. Looks don't mean much, approach is the only way to tell for certain that they're interested. 15 I guess if your mental health was really suffering then this could b…
/r/seduction27/05/20 10:32 PM
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It takes like 3 hours a week to practice cold approaching. If you sleep 8 hours per night and work 80 hours per week that leaves you 29 hours for social circle and dates...
/r/seduction27/05/20 09:30 PM
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You should have asked her out during the positive interaction. Over text or the internet you have a couple of disadvantages compared to in person. First you are judged more by your "on paper" self than your charisma and presence. "On paper" is basically like how high status and attractive of an Instagram account can you make. Unless you are a high level model/actor/athlete/musician who hasn't practiced game your presence and charisma (if you work on it) is probably orders of magnitude more attra…
/r/seduction27/05/20 11:49 AM
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Edit: I wanted to say before you read this, that I put a lot here because I think I have a good chance of reaching an understanding with you, and I felt motivated to do so. It's just lingo. It helped you understand what I mean with less words right? Well, maybe not since you thought I was implying something negative. Testing compliance just means asking for something and seeing what happens. If you want sex (which seduction implies) you eventually have to ask for it. Asking for smaller things re…
/r/seduction20/05/20 09:38 PM
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Music, painting, acting, sculpting, woodworking, writing, poetry, basically anything that will produce a product that is impressive to a layperson and can easily be shown of. Make something you're proud of and be totally shameless about showing it off. The shortest chubbiest guy I knew in college got laid regularly because he could write better than 99.99% of anybody I've heard of and would read passages and poems off of his phone at parties; another unconventional looking guy did similarly with…
/r/seduction17/05/20 07:16 AM
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Why I differentiated between live texting where you're both online and responding instantly and normal texting with lag time. You don't need to want something crazy, maybe all you want is to tell her about a movie you watched and have her respond to that. Also the lower the investment and potential reward in the interaction the lower the outside reason for leaving needs to be. It's just a bad habit to leave potential interaction on the table when the girl is still invested. It's essentially reje…
/r/seduction17/05/20 07:06 AM
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Models was more of a response to a pickup industry that had become overly dependent on canned lines, magic acts, and other routines that were generally fake, manipulative, and embarrassing to the outside world. It's not really one stop shopping like people treat it as, more like a reminder, "hey you can go out and be normal and get girls too". At your age your age you'd be better of reading the Mystery Method and approaching a lot than reading Models and screwing your head up about how to be hon…
/r/seduction16/05/20 05:14 PM
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If you are live texting and you are the one who stops, unless you're actually busy you're making a mistake. Measure her interest in terms of presence and compliance. For every interaction with a woman push compliance until she ejects from the interaction or you (or her) have a logistical necessity to eject or you got everything you wanted from her compliance. Ejecting for no good reason sends the message that you are boring, or scared to pursue, or not interested in her. So in this specific exam…
/r/seduction16/05/20 10:20 AM
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Thanks for saving me a post. Almost couldn't stomach reading this sub anymore since people bleated on this topic constantly. If seduction advice reads like some form of a zen koan i.e. "focusing on yourself is the best way to get girls", "stop needing sex to get sex" then its trash and you should ignore it. The end result of taking this anti-advice seriously is you paralyze yourself, waste time, get in your own head, and stop approaching. Women generally love this type of advice though because t…
/r/seduction16/05/20 05:51 AM
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