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From the descriptions I've heard online from a variety of sources, calling him an incel doesn't seem totally uncalled for. That said, the issue is there is a lack of a good comparison to a base rate when it comes to violence, in that, for a given set of traits, does subscribing to incel ideology make you more or less likely to commit violent crime doesn't seem to be well-measured. On the whole, picking on incels has always seemed, to me, to be more in the trend where a lot of this particular typ…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/06/26 09:27 AM
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Men sacrifice what exactly? Do you genuinely think it compares? What do women sacrifice, exactly simply by going out on a date with a guy? Both the man and the woman are spending their time, and just being out with another person in public is not a significant hazard, let alone an asymmetric one. Ah, so you're saying that women can wait until they've made all these sacrifices before being treated to a... date. Yes. If women want an asymmetric benefit, they need an asymmetric cost. That's what eq…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 11:31 AM
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And a woman doesn't owe you sex Okay, but if other women do all sorts of other things for other guys, then it is fair game for me to expect, specifically of her, to do those things? This is exactly the mindset, that the other way around, is considered "toxic redpill" type stuff. doesn't owe you changing her name to yours At this point you're getting married, I think that is a completely different question. having your children as it's economically inviable for her At the point of discussing havi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 04:00 PM
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but if he doesn't pay it means he's very likely not genuinely interested This is only true to the extent the guy knows that paying is part of the social script. There are also plenty of guys who have always gone dutch and say, gone on to be married.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 03:55 PM
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IME All of the worst women as partners need you to pay. All of the best women as partners want 50/50. If you just want to hook up with as many women as possible, pay. If you want a LTR, never pay.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 07:05 PM
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Let me offer a change of perspective. It's not about one's attitude at all - you may offer, but a guy that's truly into you will pay anyway. That's one way to vet for genuine interest as a woman It is just a social script, it doesn't mean anything. Guys know this is the expectation / how you get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 07:03 PM
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So the whole discourse seems disingenuous. We know you guys pay! But suddenly the line is at treating the woman who might one day birth your children to dinner because she's not That Hottie From Highschool or Betty On Instagram Strange how this logic works for men paying (because other men doing it), but suddenly if you apply it to sexual favors... I don't owe a woman anything for a hypothetical future we might have together.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 07:02 PM
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I suggest if you are at a college campus where these measures apply, you figure out how to ask for consent. It is a good idea to always ask for consent anyway. If you cannot figure out why this is condescending then I think that's a bigger problem on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 09:51 PM
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The wealth of a country or an individual affects life expectancy across the board as far as I can see. The US is a country where wealth can make a huge difference in health care. I am all for improving it for both men and women. Yes, but it makes a larger difference for men than for women how much money they have acess to. I am all for a retirement age of 60 for both men and women. I am 66 and somewhere in your early 60s, life gets achier. In Canada, on average men retire at 66.2 and women at 64…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 09:32 PM
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The countries where the life expectancy of men is highest also reflects a similar increase in the life expectancy of women. The United States is damn near the middle of the pack for lifespan gap, despite being one of the wealthiest countries on earth and having a significantly longer overall lifespan than say, Djibouti, which is right next to us on the list. It does correlate with overall lifespan but it isn't 1:1. Within the US it also correlates substantially with income. We also see, with oth…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 12:47 PM
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All male mammals generally die before female mammals. It seems to be part of the mammalian experience? Between and within countries there are significant differences in this gap. It cannot be entirely chalked up to biology, and the tendency towards this argument is often purely hypocritical. There are discussions about taking away voting rights from women by members of the far right. There are no discussions about taking away voting rights from men. And? There are plenty of serious people in lef…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 12:33 AM
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This is literally just wrong. The appeal is the thing in of itself. Like if someone takes issue with a corrupt politician making off with millions of dollars and is like "I work hard, and treat people fairly, so it is wrong that someone else, who cheats, gets millions of dollars", they aren't envious of the corrupt politician, they are just accepting that having millions of dollars is a good thing to have, and actually, if anything, are condemning the method.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 12:14 AM
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Feminists usually don’t opine on standards (which - standards are personal). Um, what? The idea that men are oppressing women by holding them to "arbitrary societal standards" especially beauty standards is kinda all over the place. There is absolutely no world in which this was considered a private matter. The message was loud and clear, that looking at women and thinking about their physical attractiveness was actively damaging to women and bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:45 PM
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Progressivized autism. People aren't saying that kind of thing literally. The jokey nature of these comments comes from the contrast. People in marriages are typically significantly happier than unmarried people, and have been as long as we've recorded data.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:40 PM
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For quite a lot of history you could just grab a woman and do what you wanted with her This was considered a crime pretty much everywhere and would result in some form of recompense, up to and including her male relatives killing you without trial. for sons, their wives were also occasionally choses but no where near the same amount In societies with arranged marriages "the family" (read: older relatives of the couple) typically picked, not the son. Even in cultures with arranged marriages, typi…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:38 PM
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The fact that it isn't easy - tho proven paternity fraud may be the easiest case to bring - doesn't mean it doesn't exist. "Fraud" in a legal context isn't just "represented the other person as the father" but "actively knew they weren't the father and withheld that". GFL proving that in court regarding paternity. The longer you stay in the situation the more and more likely the court is to just use estoppel to render the entire question void anyway. It is way easier and better to just do the qu…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 01:02 AM
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You may be thinking of the type of deestablishment that's done without a filing. That has a 60-ish day window. You can still file with the court system. Most states' statute of limitations goes by the kid's age. A few are a set number of yrs after you find out that there's reason to suspect. Some even lengthen the deadline if there's paternity fraud. It isn't this simple. There are a ton of factors that weigh against you the longer you wait to challenge paternity. That the law allows you to even…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 02:38 PM
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Where do you live that has a narrow window? I believe the shortest deadline to file a deestablishment affidavit in the US is in Oregon - 1 yr after discovery of the mistake/fraud. Most are until the kid turns 18, or longer. I don't think there is any state where you can wait until 18 if you're married to the woman and/or taking an active role in the kid's life. The moment you're thinking about taking on a parental role or have presumed paternity, you typically have quite a narrow window. That's …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 02:08 AM
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There are vastly different consequences though, in that men have a narrow window to contest paternity, whereas you can leave if a relationship becomes abusive at any time. Abuse is also subjective and open-ended, a relationship can be mutually abusive, .etc, whereas paternity fraud is clear cut, objective and can be determined with high confidence. There are also alternatives to go bags like just having the keys to the car and a friend you know you can stay with and money in your bank account. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 03:17 PM
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Yes, and I think this is generally an incorrect assessment.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 11:05 AM
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but I feel like throwing a not all men at a woman that is frustrated enough to make sweeping generalizations doesn't help anything. I don't think it is effective, but it is generally a very fair criticism. We also don't apply this standard in reverse. Men are terrible about it as well Not at the same scale It's laughable to think most online hate speech is aimed at men. It has institutional support, isn't bannable, and you get to keep your job if it gets traced back to you, so I would say it lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 10:48 AM
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Ding ding ding
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 10:45 AM
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So I hear a lot of misogyny from men because women won’t have sex with them and women have free agency Men figuring out what actually gets women to fuck them isn't misogyny. I hear misandry from women because men won’t stop abusing them More like "read a deceptive or incorrect statistic online and is now blaming men for it".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 10:44 AM
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You realize that this is literally the complaint men have about women, right? Men are expected to emotionally support women, but women generally don't expect to have to emotionally support men. Women want you to be their emotional rock.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 01:02 PM
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Then you're a simp. A partnership should involve the other person doing nice things back.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 12:58 PM
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In the primary. Dems don't get to choose who runs in the primary. She'll probably just crash and burn.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 12:59 PM
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Dems shouldn't get to pick who gets to run. She is going to get clobbered in the primary if she does run. Nobody likes a loser. Campaigning hasn't really started yet either so it is a lot of name recognition.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 12:55 PM
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I think online is a bad way to engage, but I think they want someone who listens and doesn't just try to "correct" them that doesn't even necessarily understand their life or mindset. Basically, not someone who is reflexively dismissive and actually engages.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 01:08 PM
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They want someone who “listens” and doesn’t try to “correct them”? that doesn't even necessarily understand their life or mindset. Was the rest of that sentence, which proves my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 12:20 PM
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I have no resentment built up towards the men I know in real life because they don’t have this kind of defeatist victim complex I see online I used to feel this way towards women before I moved to NYC where women are generally pretty nasty and have a massive victim complex. I also am totally empathetic towards men who are struggling with dating or relationship issues but don’t have that blackpill/redpill mindset. Seems like you're just lumping incel, blackpill and redpill all together. I don’t w…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 04:27 AM
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If you accidentally hit on someone when they aren't receptive, to what I've seen young immature guys make fun of you or assume you aren't capable because you "failed" so it feels like failure, like proof you aren't good with women because you hit on one that you mistakenly thought was interested. But it's normal interaction. It is proof of that especially aggregated over time. That fear of trying and failing then gets inflated and conflated with manosphere chronic fear of "being accused" because…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 04:14 AM
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I think online is a bad way to engage, but I think they want someone who listens and doesn't just try to "correct" them that doesn't even necessarily understand their life or mindset.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 03:52 AM
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the more I’m exposed to men’s attitudes towards women and dating online the less sympathetic I’m becoming From your profile you go on a bunch of incel-adjacent subreddits and are now generalizing this to "men's attitudes towards women". Do you not see the problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 03:51 AM
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As someone who gamed online a lot (sadly less so now), I've heard this accusation for years and years and years but never seen this actually happen. I've seen the reverse (being extra nice to women), but never anyone who had a problem with women in a pub.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 03:24 AM
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They don't correct for any confounds, so it could literally just be safer societies tend to be more gender equal, and people have fewer negative encounters with men. Traditional gender norms and language enable this effect I can assure you it is alive and well among "progressives" all the time. Red pillers may claim to care about men, but they continue to enable this effect Not really. The problem isn't that women tear down men, it's that men inadvertently promote their own demise and denigratio…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 03:13 AM
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There is also continual assessment vs high stakes testing, in that boys do much better by non-GPA measures, which we switched to within courses without much fanfare despite being a non-trivial contributor to the gap. We also chose to change the curriculum, so if one buys into the idea of role models mattering (I personally think it is overweighted by most), not only are there fewer male teachers, but there has also been a concerted effort to reduce the focus on boys and men across the board. Cha…
/r/MensRights30/04/26 01:57 AM
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I think this is a pretty good topic. If you can get any more specifics I can at least give you my thoughts.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/26 12:17 AM
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Feminism is very easy to debate I don't think it is particularly intellectually sophisticated the vast majority of the time, but it is hard to get the message across in a way that connects with ordinary people.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/26 12:14 AM
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The reason why people use these tactics is because, in a debate setting, they are actually quite persuasive. Of the tactics mentioned in the video only one is at all disingenuous (snuck premise). But they mostly relied on bad faith tactics that got reviewed and picked apart over the years, and now it's a very common story to see people talk about how being convinced by those videos was a phase they went through for a while before they learned to see the tricks and now can't take anybody who prom…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/26 11:16 PM
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But, weren't a lot of modern men's issues prevalent before the "success" of feminism? Some were and some weren't, but a lot of them are then reframed under feminist theories in gendered ways that continue the original issue, or that make it worse. Sexual assault is not inherently a "women's issue", you can argue about the overall percentage of victims that are male or female, but men are still a sizable chunk of all victims no matter what numbers you look at. Yet, overwhelmingly, what we hear on…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/26 10:40 PM
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What is the topic of the debate? You need to agree on a specific topic. Otherwise, the surface area here is absolutely massive. I would also refuse to debate 3-on-1 and demand they pick one person. One person cannot out-prep a team of three, and even if they keep working together, it is much harder to prep one person, picked in advance, than to split the prep in three. What format will the debate be? Who gets to go first? You need prepared remarks to fill your initial time so you don't have to t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/26 10:28 PM
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Debate is a sport, and often "tricks" like this help you win. As the video says, don't do this in an interpersonal relationship.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/26 10:23 PM
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There are way more women who believe femosphere stuff. Just look on reddit how many people still cite Paul Dolan on women's happiness when he has been long debunked. The difference is aesthetic and that society actually embraces those people and treats them as legitimate. Incels aren't particularly violent, hence why you are citing a decade old shooting. Meanwhile people who repeat femosphere talking points literally have been able to write policy.
/r/MensRights16/03/26 02:21 AM
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I agree, it isn't what I would want to see, but I think it shows a lot of progress and there is a lot to be hopeful for. I do also appreciate you not biting my head off over left/right politics. We have to stick together on what we can agree on.
/r/MensRights27/01/26 03:19 AM
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I agree neither side is great, but men as a voting block are now in play, and so politicians actually think about them. Do you think this would have happened in Cali 10 years ago? I sure as hell don't. The MRM can profit most if men switch parties and are seen as convincible swing voters. It doesn't matter if either side is overall better for worse, just that they are competing to get better at addressing men's issues.
/r/MensRights27/01/26 02:46 AM
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To the credit of claude and chatGPT, they both put up a fight when I tried to force it to pick one of the two, both going for a coin instead.
/r/MensRights26/01/26 08:48 PM
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As much as I hate Trump and think voting for him was monumentally stupid, him getting elected due to a break in young men for him was basically the best thing to happen for men's rights since I've been following it, and I'm an old blood. If you had told me, way back in like 2010 that a major party candidate in a presidential election would even show concern about how men are voting, I don't know that I would have believed you.
/r/MensRights26/01/26 03:01 PM
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that's a tale men like to tell about themselves. It might've been true 30 years ago, not anymore, men are acting like princesses now, without any appeal of ones. This is delusional. that's not "women are wonderful" it's women are safe. And they safer than men for sure. Okay, so if we did this with male and female cripples, who are equally unable to harm anyone, we'd then get the same result for men and women?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 07:29 PM
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They don't want to be social with dudes. They want a specific dude, who happens to align with all of their preferences, to show up out of nowhere, be willing to do anything to prove their commitment to them in particular, and other than that to have minimal interaction with guys in any sort of romantic or sexual context. Outside of that, they'd rather hang out with / be around other women, but if a guy is around... eh, okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 07:28 PM
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I find that women online have basically no idea what women are like. Women IRL are very different, and definitely aren't all the same or anything, but have strong trends in their views that are basically 180 degrees opposite what the online conversation is.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 03:12 PM
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Yeah, to me this is the most baffling thing I see women do. "[person] did X because they were thinking Y" "How did you know they were thinking Y?" "Because they did X?" "Could they have done X for another reason?" "Maybe, but come on, they were thinking Y?" "If they were thinking Y, why not do Z which is more in line with Y?" "Why are you defending [person]?" Men do this sometimes, but overwhelmingly the people who do this shit are women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 02:29 PM
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Well, yeah they are different types of vulnerability, but men often conflate them. Couldn't the same be said for say, sexual and emotional vulnerability with women, who tend to want relationships more?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 01:41 PM
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Both things can be true If being the penetrated is a factor, regardless of other factors, then wouldn't we still expect cis women to be pretty into it. A lot of men refuse to be penetrated because they think it makes the vulnerable or is gay/emasculating. And? Of those that do want to be penetrated, they still try and do it in a way where they are not vulnerable by sexually objectifying the other party. Okay, so now it is about some other sense of "vulnerability" as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 01:09 PM
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Try being a dom. Your scene name might as well just be your list of skills. Subs are kinda selfish little creatures NGL.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 02:33 AM
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That doesn't address the original point. Also, a lot of men don’t acknowledge or refuse to acknowledge that there’s a big difference in being the penetrator vs being the penetrated party. The later is much more vulnerable If this is such a big difference/dynamic on its own, then why do we need to invoke some other explanation, that "men who want to be fucked still make it all about their pleasure only". What stops this from being completely a result of "men who want to be fucked still make it al…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 02:31 AM
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You don’t think we should tell teen boys that they are enough? Not if they aren't, and most teens aren't enough and should be told that in a nice enough way. The people who told me "just try your best", "you're good as you are", .etc did me a disservice in life IMO. We shouldn’t tell teen boys that if they don’t like how their friends are acting that they can and should speak up for themselves? Sometimes you need to suck it up and get along, that's what makes social spaces function. This nuance …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 01:04 AM
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How many women want to be the penetrator though? I don't think if you asked a whole bunch of single women to peg you that you'd find they're suddenly massively more down for casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 09:50 PM
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Men who can show them they are enough How to call out their friends when they are being dicks People seem to be unable to ever talk about a men's space without talking like this. This isn't a men's space you're talking about, it is a women's space for men. A men's space is where you can be a huge dick in a way that men don't care about, but that women overwhelmingly disapprove of. A men's space is where you can tell someone they aren't enough, but show them how to become enough. I think I just w…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 09:15 PM
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Not gonna bother watching the video: The tradcon trope of the "alpha male" wolf is based on a study that became popular before it was debunked by its own publisher. In other words, it's complete pseudoscience. This is true, but misses the point. Dominance hierarchies clearly do exist in nature, and most people don't invoke wolves specifically. Wolves only get mentioned because it was later debunked. Many of the alpha male effects in nonhuman animals are caused by behavior in captivity, simulatin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/12/25 02:22 PM
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50 years ago is '75, which is over a decade after the start of AA. AA is considered by many to be a form of DEI and DEI itself often involves similarly discriminatory programs.
/r/MensRights17/12/25 11:28 AM
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I think throughout this thread, it isn't necessarily that I deeply disagree with you, so much as this type of logic only seems to come to the fore from a certain demographic when talking specifically about men and negative stereotypes of them. I agree it isn't a conspiracy that men get convicted more, but it also isn't a conspiracy that men get ahead in life significantly more. Bias is a complicated thing to describe what is being talked about a lot of the time, but people's associations of thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 01:02 AM
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Except this ignores that the vast majority of people who openly stereotype men (EDIT: specifically as in, they view all men as inherently suspect in a general sense, men certainly do this too but seem much more reserved and contextual about it at) as violent and criminal tend to be women. Saying the problem is exclusively that some other people happen to be criminal and male ignores that pointing to sex or assigning sex as the predominant variable (it isn't), is something blameworthy, and someth…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 12:50 AM
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Reading the full text it seems like: (b) provide that, in the following circumstances, murder — known as femicide when committed against a female person — is murder in the first degree: The changes to murder charges themselves are facially neutral, but then, weirdly, are asymmetrically classified based on the victim's sex (i.e. there is no case where something is considered androcide, even if, with the sexes reversed, it would be considered femicide). This also focuses only on murder in the case…
/r/MensRights15/12/25 02:07 PM
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I think maybe you should talk to the people who actually work on these cases. I have. They tend to be either women's advocate types or agree there is at least some bias, especially for young children. Pretty much everything you spout is untrue in the majority of areas redditors live. Not really it's not easy to get your ex's hours reduced, you have to have a significant change in circumstances. That's why you make accusations of them being a poor/uninvolved/unfit parent as early as possible in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 12:33 PM
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Spreading bs like this is what causes so many men to just sign over full custody. So much terrible informative here. No it is not common for lawyers in the US to tell men not to try for custody. The advice is usually that asking for custody entails giving up substantial ground on everything else you want, as well as risking the mother making accusations in order to keep the kids (not necessarily rising to the level of sexual abuse, but of generally doing bad parenting things). Unless maybe you a…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 02:24 AM
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Custody is very much slanted in favor of women, family court attorneys literally will advise male clients around asking for it in a sexed way (regardless how you view the outcomes of the court, which attorneys advise their clients around specifically because they know the system is biased against them), and it is especially hard if you are a mother to get visitation taken away completely (while being much easier to do to a father). It does also vary state by state. Alimony duration depends on th…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 07:23 PM
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The stay at home gets income from their partner and time with their kids. They basically get the same deal as before but more inefficient due to there needing to be two houses. The paying parent now gets far less time with their kids and far less autonomy over spending their own money. No single variable drives remarriage, and this could also be that paying parents have more free time o date,for just that men's libidos are just higher or a million other things
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 01:42 PM
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I think there is a conversation you want to have, and the conversation that everyone else is engaging in, and there is very little overlap between the two, but you're trying to twist what OP said to fit into what you want them to have said.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 12:45 AM
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At the start of the video she puts up a graph that shows fertility has been flat since the '70s and talks about birth rates collapsing. This video is bad and basically every feminist cliche in the book. I have zero idea why it was posted here, nothing about this seems notable or interesting at all. Bad facts, bad history, just generally feminist slop.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/12/25 11:09 PM
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Approaching women and trying to get them to sleep with you is the opposite of taking them for granted. Men aren't going to be discerning when sex is a rare and valuable thing they have to hunt for. Taking the other sex for granted is more like when someone approaches you and you're deliberately cruel in rejecting them, or otherwise acting like the attention you are getting is annoying and making a show out of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 02:40 PM
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We aren't talking about people in crisis. In a long-form interpersonal relationship it is painfully obvious if you're always taking someone's side versus if you are saying what you think and happening to agree. The secret to social skills is saying it in such a way that you're not being a jerk. Most women are also adults, who are typically capable of dealing with their partners disagreeing with them. They can also learn. If my girlfriend asks me if I think she's being unreasonable she knows I wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 03:19 AM
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And “emotional intelligence” is routinely used by pop-psychology amateurs as a moral label instead of a specific skill model. The problem is more than this in that "emotional intelligence" isn't just used as a moral label, but also is often used to portray it as if a particular way of thinking about socialization is The One True Way and people who stray from The Path are wrong (often this is a particular therapy-and-women associated way of communicating). Is that pattern real enough to exist? Su…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 02:59 AM
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I've watched substantial portions of his podcast and his appearances elsewhere. I think part of the problem is that he tends to focus on the "fit into things today" more than anything else, and specifically providing clarity that this is deeply hypocritical, .etc. Basically, he kinda speaks vaguely like you're talking about in terms of economic issues, but less so in terms of "left-wing social progressive ideas are a core part of the reason why progress isn't being made on this". Individuals mig…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/12/25 06:02 PM
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Part of the point of the thread is the hypocrisy here. When women have problems solutions are oriented in terms of reorganizing society when men have problems solutions are oriented in terms of dealing with it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/12/25 02:10 PM
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HealthygamerGG isn't good because he subscribes too much to feminine ideas of social interaction and struggles to understand that healthy social bonds sometimes look very different. This is a very common problem with therapists.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/12/25 02:09 PM
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Not gay but grew up in the south. Seems to me like the areas where "queer" was used as a slur the least are now where this has taken off the most.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/11/25 01:10 AM
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Im raising a son so its not abstract entirely and Im trying to make sure i know mens issues so the boy im raising has good foundations to grow on. I think that's a good thing, but men you don't know online I don't think should have a significant impact on that. i just wish folk would understand im not a wishy washy user of words. If i say creepy, i mean it. You have in your head your meaning of the word, they have in their head their meaning of the word. If you want people to understand, I'd lea…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/10/25 01:23 PM
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One problem i've noticed is that the left people i deal with that are social media focused shout the loudest that they're feminist. Yet they're the least emancipated, because you don't have to get emancipated when the problem is just men. It also reprodouces gender roles they're trying to fight, women are weak and victims and men are the perpetrator and that's just a given. The women who are the closest to the "strong girl" archetype IRL that I've met have universally been country girls raised w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/10/25 01:26 AM
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I notice sometimes i will say something banal about a creep i encountered and then non creepy men will get defensive in a way that its nearly always impossible to break through. The problem is that a lot of the time this is vague, and "creepy" is used a lot of the time to attack men for things like being socially awkward, rather than for anything actually wrong. You may have always felt justified when using it, but it is pretty typical for dudes, who are expected to be socially and romantically …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/10/25 01:24 AM
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the feeling of discomfort and what fuels that discomfort for sitting in the same carriages as ppl of different races is obviously very different to the context behind why women face discomfort No it isn't. It is the exact same in-group out-group mindset. Why do you think they exist in places like Japan? Conservative societies are very sensitive around sex and sexual harassment, and often respond to this threat through separation of the sexes. Japan is very socially conservative and thus follows …
/r/MensRights28/10/25 10:25 PM
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Actually what this tracks is with more conservative societies. There really isn't any good empirical evidence sexual assault or harassment is substantially higher in Japan than other similarly developed countries. There is also no good evidence that adopting women-only trains causes a drop in sexual offense. Women Only Carriages (WOC) is simply not an evidence-based policy. It is discriminatory, and cannot justify itself.
/r/MensRights28/10/25 10:18 PM
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I imagine the argument in court would be that by ordering delivery you have given permission for them to come in your property and it is reasonable to think if the door is open the delivery could be placed just inside the threshold.
/r/MensRights22/10/25 10:55 AM
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Can you post some examples? Curious what this looks like.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/10/25 10:49 AM
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I still can't believe any results from an informal survey of a biased sample. For comparison- if the same survey was conducted in a subreddit that believed circumcision improved sexual satisfaction, would I am not OP, and I agree, I think this is an inherently hard problem (measuring sexuality re: circumcision) and kinda don't want to bother getting into the fine details ATM (have work and stuff to do). It just kinda pisses me off to see Morris specifically cited.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/10/25 12:41 AM
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Brian Morris is not a legitimate researcher. I don't say that lightly, but he is infamous on this subject for the volume of crud he produces, and his extreme opinions. Earp talked about some of his abuses of science here: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/269899744_Does_Science_Support_Infant_Circumcision There are defenders of circumcision who are more intellectually honest, like Dr. Freeman of AAP fame (along with the other authors of the report), but Morris is so out there he probably …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/25 11:55 PM
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I have heard that, there just aren't short quotes about it. Like I've heard women complain about men wanting them to be skinny, or shaming men who are into asians, .etc, it just usually is part of a convo that is hard to get across.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 03:53 PM
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This statistic doesn't mean anything: Men sleep less than women, which makes up for over half this difference. It is about a 10 minute difference per day, and over 7 days that means that only ~50 minutes of difference in dedicated leisure-only activities remain. If we include all personal care activities (of which sleeping is a subset), there is a delta of ~175 minutes over the course of a week (women spending more time on it). There is also a significant gap in religious and volunteering activi…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 03:48 PM
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I have heard short guys say being short / finding a woman willing to date them is hard. I have never heard them say the reverse of "There are no good men anymore", "men suck", "men are trash", "I'd only date a woman who made X amount", .etc
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 12:49 PM
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This sub is where such things get aired, but IRL I've only seen this go one way.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 11:26 AM
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When women say this they think the alternative to men not caring is that men will just love/interact with whatever hobby women already have. In reality, just like physical attraction, it becomes more a matter of there being some ideal that you're less attractive the more you deviate from.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 11:21 AM
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Or the woman who expects to be free from her gender roles while holding men to theirs isn't going to piss off a lot of people due to the double standard? This doesn't piss off a lot of people. It is pretty standard actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 11:19 AM
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stuff like paternity leave only became a thing after women were given time off to spend raising their kids, It became a thing in no small part specifically because it was seen as not being in women's interests for men to keep working, and this is a very large part of the argument today. It is convenient that the argument can be then made "this will help men too", but if it didn't help women, then there would be little-to-no interest in this. I don't blame you for being sceptical but wanting to p…
/r/MensRights15/09/25 12:09 PM
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The boys did more than simply feeling uncomfortable, hence the suspension At least from the video and article it isn't clear they did much more than voice a complaint. sexual harassment and sex-based discrimination of the student This sounds bad, but in this context doesn't necessarily mean a lot.
/r/MensRights22/08/25 12:29 PM
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The greater context seems unclear from the video / article, but the video itself clearly starts out in the gym, and there is no issue for at least a minute or so.
/r/MensRights22/08/25 12:27 PM
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My mom was neurotic as hell, and well before I was 18 she had significant quantities of free time, and that was in the hellscape of suburbia. Parenting really just isn't that hard beyond a specific crunch period during early childhood.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 09:42 AM
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Okay, but what is the "best" version of yourself? Without some sort of external standard or ideal, I don't think that concept generally makes much sense. I also don't think "higher quality if harder to find relationships" necessarily is particularly great for someone currently struggling to find a relationship. Many things are also conventionally desirable that also increase relationship quality. Working out a lot increases your energy and sex drive, as well as your physical appearance. It is a …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 09:20 AM
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I see blue pill as the idea that men can improve dating through reaching for an internal authentic self. I see red pill as the idea that men can improve their dating through reaching for external goals and ideals. Edit: and then black pill is the idea that men cannot improve their dating at all I think what is dominant i sregional and has left/right polarity. I grew up in a more liberal area and got told a lot of blue pill things, which I think simply do not work. Edit: also I think there is a c…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 01:57 PM
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I haven't seen him really "preach" at all. He is mostly just responding to specific claims. As someone who read through most of the articles out a bit less than a year ago (and sporadically some others since), other than height not influencing sex partner count, I wasn't particularly surprised at anything, and I generally am more red pill than blue.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 09:22 AM
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I have seen BP cite studies with literally nothing to do with the subject at hand, then crow like they have won because there is some overlap in terminology. I have seen BP literally sour on the experiment done to their specifications on this subreddit and completely ignored the results because they are inconvenient. "I dated straight men so you don't have to" basically ended an entire line of argument and just gets ignored.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 09:09 AM
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And if you send an email to Dr. Example they very well might acknowledge that their study isn't a single authoritative source.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 09:07 AM
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I don't consider nuancepill blue pill, so much as anti-blackpill.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 09:05 AM
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I should rig up a bot using LLMs to automatically take stories like this and repost with the genders flipped and details rearranged X months later.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 03:35 PM
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What about shit like honor killings Honor killings are rare and generally happen in societies where family-politics based murders are pretty common (but that only impacts men so nobody really cares about blood feuds and the like) female genital mutilation This is largely an inclusive practice because circumcision (a form of genital cutting that is considered socially acceptable, and often normal around the world with very little commentary or critique) is often used to induct boys into manhood, …
/r/MensRights19/07/25 12:39 PM
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Okay, so in colleges, when Obama sent out the Dear Colleague letter, that blatantly trampled on the rights of men, what did the professors in your program (if it was in the US or really any English-speaking country) think about it? This was both in academia (where this allegedly pure form of feminism resides), and also obviously something with a lot of visibility since this movement has been deeply invested in the title IX procedures on campus. Can you find any of your professors having made neg…
/r/MensRights19/07/25 12:03 PM
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I sent a legacy DM, but I realize those aren't always checked by people in the new reddit UI. I am available for an interview. (Reddit chat doesn't work properly, likely an issue with all my add-ons for reddit).
/r/MensRights18/07/25 12:47 PM
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The problem is that, as this comment itself points out, this all correlates with the species. There is obviously a biological component, as well as a social meta-game component that is distinct from socio-sexual norms. That doesn't mean this can't be changed or engineered, but it isn't as straightforward as "we made it all up".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 09:30 PM
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But the problem is women who pursue get labeled as "Sluts" for trying to initiate and are seen as desperate, as if they are a puppy desperate to be adopted by a potential owner. Who does this though? I've literally never seen this. I've heard and seen men complain about the opposite, I've heard women complain endlessly about men not approaching them (and dismissing the idea of doing the initiating), but I have, not a single solitary time, ever heard of anyone not on the internet saying anything …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 09:27 PM
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The data isn't "right" either, it just is. What it is, is very noisy. The researchers are looking only at one element of the data (the mean), and are drawing a conclusion based on that. By looking at the SD, and the sample size, we can draw an additional conclusion about the data (it is very noisy). This undermines our confidence in drawing any other conclusion from the data. I have zero faith we'd even be having this exchange if the results from sex-focused group and the misogynistic group were…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 06:40 PM
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Merely saying "there's massive variance" doesn't make the data wrong It isn't about the data being "wrong", but rather that there is a lot of noise, and when you have a small sample size, it is hard to tell how much signal you are picking up on, versus how much is a matter of noise. Coming to a conclusion based on this data is difficult as a result. Alternative explanations aren't "guesses", rather they undermine confidence in any one alternative. If data is ambiguous then you can't use it to su…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 06:31 PM
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Yes, the data is crud because you don't like it There is massive variance within these groups, combined with small sample sizes. Are either of those claims inaccurate? It's funny how every statistic that red pillers don't like has flawed data, and never the ones that they do Because most of the studies in this area are low-quality, especially the ones with dramatic outcomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 05:37 PM
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The conclusion doesn't matter when the data that conclusion being drawn from are crud.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 05:29 PM
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n=555, so 4% is 22.2, so this is based off extremely small subsamples. When you look at the table of partner counts what you see is: (left is the so-called misogynist group, right is the so-called sex-focused group) 15.53 (17.51) 52.00 (29.54) The SDs vs means of these figures are, frankly, absurd given the sample size. If there are some other (omitted) variables that explain partner count, high in both these groups, of which just a few men in these groups are high in, and the others lower, this…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 01:07 PM
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Most women I talk to expect this from men as a norm. Where are you that this isn't typical? It also isn't necessarily heroic, but is definitely asymmetrical.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 06:26 PM
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Roughly in the Earth region of the solar system. (It has been the norm on the US East Coast where I have lived.)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 11:31 AM
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How many first messages do you get that aren't hey? I can hardly recall getting any first messages at all. How many men have planned a first date for you? Zero women have ever done that for me. How many men have paid for a first date for you? Zero women have ever done that for me. .etc, .etc Complaining about the easier hand is poor form.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 03:36 PM
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It is way easier to go back to being single where you will get large amounts of highly visible interest from the opposite sex vs going back to being single where now you have to fumble around hitting on women and hoping you get lucky. It simply isn't the same degree of magnitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 03:23 PM
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Go read "I dated straight men so you don't have to" again. Dating apps simply aren't that bad for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 03:21 PM
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Are you seriously trying to argue rebound sex isn't a thing? It is quite common. Obviously women would rather have the relationship work out, but there is a large asymmetry in ability to replace the other person quickly.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 02:31 PM
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"You see, all these people who do all the planning, pay for everything, initiate the conversation, escalate physically, .etc, all of them aren't also 6' 4" hunks who share my exact politics and net worth in the 7 figures."
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 02:18 PM
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This convo is literally two women sitting around pretending like they can just assert how men think, in one case citing men who have been dead for at least two hundred years, as if it has any relevance.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 02:14 PM
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You can be replaced immediately. She has an infinite queue of men she can go fuck to get over you. Meanwhile you'll just be another one in a thousand messages in someone's inbox.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 02:12 PM
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Attraction here isn't necessarily used strictly in the sense of physical attraction. Women being virgins is attractive to men, but doesn't make them look any different. Women also put a lot of emphasis on this. I have heard women say they need a man to pay for the date, for example. There is clearly something in mainstream (American, at least) female psychology about men having money.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 02:10 PM
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From my observations coding is about as popular with boys and girls When we look at CS grads, it is overwhelmingly mediated by economic prosperity. Richer countries have fewer girls, as a percentage. Part of the problem is that girls are less likely than boys to have math/STEM as their best subject, and people tend to be more enthusiastic about things they feel they are good at, thus you will get more interest from boys and less from girls. My point is and always has been just that I'm sick of p…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 03:11 PM
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most schools that aren't in urban areas don't offer extra-curriculars outside of sports, practical subjects like coding, woodwork, and metalwork are popular among all genders Unless you live in a third world country, coding is almost certainly not equally popular among boys and girls. and single-sex schooling is extremely popular and for some reason boys tend to thrive better in mixed schools despite more female teachers, female peers influencing things etc (girls tend to do better in single-sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 02:17 PM
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Many women are open to being approached in social settings. Nope, just period, women are way more open to being approached than you're suggesting. Most women are not open to being approached while they are doing errands, commuting to work, working out, have headphones in, etc. It is entirely normal to approach people while doing errands, or on your commute, and do I really have to explain how people fuck around at the gym all the time? Having headphones in is hard to socially navigate, but mostl…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 01:17 PM
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I literally just had lunch with a female friend who talked, positively, about how a guy called her pretty on the street and starting talking to her. Most women want to know you before they sleep with you, but (she isn't single so she had to turn him down), women are generally way more open to getting to know you based on even a flimsy pretense than the internet lets on.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 01:03 PM
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There are two factors at play, desire for youth/beauty and desire for a man with money. Individual women may be more or less sensitive to one or the other, and they aren't strictly linear, but being wealthier makes a man notably more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 11:54 PM
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You can, in fact, get a better success rate by doing some things and not doing others. Women IRL are way more open to being cold approached than the internet let's on. If you're just generally nice and talkative they tend to appreciate it. It is more bitter and jaded women, or attractive women hit on all the time, who take it negatively. Women are weird as fuck when it comes to initiation / escalation, they can seem downright annoyed but be into it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 07:08 AM
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From the 1980s till today it has gone from like 67% to 77% in the US of female teachers. Female principal numbers have also exploded. It is painfully obvious that education has become more and more controlled by women at every level. Single sex schools tend to correlate to other factors (ability to be selective, teaching style, .etc), so measuring them accurately is quite hard. Not only that but they still tend to follow educational trends as a whole, which are driven by women. I live in the US,…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 07:01 AM
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It is possible to both: use some men for resources date other men who are losers, but are "exciting" Not hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 06:33 AM
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The difference is that feminists blame patriarchy, while (some) MRAs blame… women and feminists. There are no shortage of feminists who blame men and castigate men as a group. Having actually been in MRA spaces, shit talking all women is rarer than in feminist spaces (feminists just don't recognize it because they are used to it, i.e. bigotry towards men being defended). Can you give me a list of who is being blamed? Cuz the men with wealth and power, like Obama (when he was president he was lit…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 06:32 AM
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Being killed is typically not something done by choice. Foot binding started largely among the elite who weren't just trying to survive, it was a way to show off your wealth.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 06:21 AM
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When something advantages men, even if it wasn't explicitly done to do so, does it not still get treated as sexism against women by a lot of the same people who seem to make a big deal about if it is sexism against boys in school? I do think schooling these days clearly does have girls in mind (because there are way more female teachers and staff), and it wasn't subtle in my schooling.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 06:17 AM
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Violent Land by Courtwright Basically by accident it shows a nuanced, non-cultural constructionist approach to history that shows gender relations weren't just trained sexism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/06/25 05:16 AM
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I have literally seen men say that no real straight man could enjoy anal play, being submissive, etc. and that all of those men are secretly queer or emasculated I think it is hard to argue that it doesn't often fall under emasculation (EDIT: in a kinky context). “Ew, no, I’m a REAL woman with self respect, not a whore, how dare you think that I might be the type of woman who might enjoy something like THAT?” Do you think that constitutes insecurity though? I also think that if a man talked abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 08:40 PM
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The OP prompt did ask for a "subtle trait", and arguably one's reaction is both not a trait, and not subtle. What you said first was: Super disgusted by the idea of pegging/prostate stimulation. Now, if he just happens not to be into it, that's fine. Not about that. But, If he seriously thinks that enjoying an entire pleasure node on his body says anything about his identity or value as a person, then that is a pretty big sign of insecurity. You clearly followed up the idea of being disgusted. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 08:34 PM
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That’s VERY different from a man who has a EW GOD NO, I would NEVER enjoy something like that because I’m a RED BLOODED AMERICAN MAN’S MAN, type of reaction when you just ask if he’s into pegging or not. I can understand being off-put by that reaction, but I don't think it constitutes insecurity necessarily. Nor do I think it implies that if that man were to have anal sex with you, he'd view it as making you lowly scum. Nor does it imply that he thinks men who enjoy it are secretly gay or awful.…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 08:13 PM
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Bodily fluids are a biohazard, and ingesting them directly exposes you to the biohazard. There is no way to swallow someone's bodily fluids without biohazard exposure. There are a myriad of ways to enjoy your own bodyparts without biohazard exposure. There are plenty of people where this doesn't occur to them. I think you are describing a thought process but not a common thought process. But even your comparison still fell short. I didn't say "A guy who thinks his butt is gross". I said "A guy w…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 08:06 PM
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I think you really like the word 'strawman' and don't know what it means. Basically, "You didn't take my [irrelevant] criticism, therefore you're just hiding and you secretly know I'm right." I'm saying that you seem to be straight up talking about, as if it is obvious in your original comment that you're saying something, when reading the comment clearly points to the moral elements at play (hating women), as well as the idea that this is based on not liking the question, rather than on a speci…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 07:01 PM
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99% of rapists are nerdy, socially isolated virgins who play video games with sexualized women. This is a true fact (tm). Meanwhile frat guy jocks who are WASPy as all hell never have raped anyone. This is also a true fact (tm).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 06:46 PM
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It definitely does, and also age group matters. HS age it is a big deal, and you have to kinda unlearn that later, but if nobody else has already done it, it is an additional risk. You also risk later women thinking they were your second choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 06:45 PM
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I didn't say "ick". I said " thinks that enjoying an entire pleasure node on his body says anything about his identity or value as a person, I think that counts as an "ick", the idea that something says something about you is under that umbrella, like when women don't like all sorts of things because what they think it says about them, it is an "ick" to them. You can wrap all sorts of meta-theory around this, but I think that's pretty unavoidable. One could just as easily argue the opposite, tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 06:40 PM
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6) No Race-Baiting or Racially Charged Content Race-baiting is the act of using racially derisive language or other forms of communication in order to troll or anger other users. PPD doesn't accept discussion of race except where it is tightly related to relationships I am not trolling, I am curious if you apply that to race. It is specifically applied to relationships. A mod could disagree, but I think it is reasonably on-topic enough. I was mostly curious because I applaud the consistency if i…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 06:31 PM
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•Associated with demographic groups statistically correlated with higher crime rates, like being poor ect. What about ethnic group?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 06:24 PM
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I find it weird the way women basically assert that the male "ick" is insecurity. A lot of women are extremely put off by the idea of anal, or casual sex, or a million other things, and think it says something about their identity and value as a person. We don't use that to say they are insecure, and doing that would actually make you a total cunt. I could hardly think of anything more mean than responding to someone's deep disgust at the idea of partaking in a sex act with a negative assumption…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 06:22 PM
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It is a statistics problem. For X% of women it is a positive, for Y% of women it is a negative, for Z% of women it is neutral. There is no way to flirt that is successful where it is only positive, instead you're trying to maximize the positivity and minimize the negativity, but there will always be some crazy girl out there like "He didn't even grab me and forcefully kiss me, kind of a turnoff, if I wanted to date a girl, I would".
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 06:10 PM
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Sounds like something a manipulative person would say
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 06:08 PM
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"Hate the sin, love the sinner." I don't dislike gay people, but a lot of them are way too promiscuous. Also they encourage social degeneracy. Again, nothing against being gay in and of itself, but they need to do more to police all the molesters in their community. Perfectly fine if you want to have sex with other men, but why do you have to make and display homoerotic art? Is, to my ear, more or less the same as: I don't hate men, but a lot of them are incredibly toxic and do problematic thing…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/25 03:35 PM
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Do you think people have an accurate idea of what will actually make them happy when hearing about someone else's life?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 03:01 AM
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you have to get up Same for going to work immediately start cooking Who cooks breakfast regularly these days? My SAHM never did. You made your own toast, .etc. wash the dishes Dishwashers do the work for you, just plop em in and run it if it is full. have your husband drive them or sometimes drive them yourself This is extremely variable depending on your local infrastructure for this. start prepping for hubby's breakfast, lunch and possibly late night dinner as he has to work overtime today My …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 10:54 PM
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Happiness among women in the US declined in the same time frame as they entered the work force. It is objectively true that women's mothers were less happy than their grandmothers on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 10:48 PM
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Domestic labor is easy, it does take time, but you also mostly set your own standards, have few deadlines, and just need to keep a basic calendar. Every thing seems easy when you don't have to do it every single day, you get to clock out, you get week-long holidays. You don't have to do most domestic work every day. My mom was a stay at home mom when I got older. Tons of days she would get up, spend maybe an hour doing stuff, go out with friends, eat lunch with them (not at her expense), come ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 10:46 PM
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Okay, but then how do you know if someone has more or less obstacles or a greater or lesser sum of obstacles? Someone born into a wealthy family, but who suffers from extreme depression both has relatively few obstacles but ones that are making it harder for them to have a functioning life. Compared to someone poor, but born with the right personality / social environment to have a great social life, it is hard to say whose life is "awesome" or who had fewer obstacles to that. You've immediately…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 10:37 PM
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It is the idea that women like to sleep around, but with a select group of the most attractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/25 03:08 PM
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Individuals have contexts that differ from groups. I'm not saying those people are wrong, but when talking in general about society, you have to acknowledge patterns that are generally true but aren't describing every individual. Humans, as a species, have almost exactly two arms on average, but some individuals have only one or zero arms.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 05:06 PM
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Individuals and groups are different. The average woman will be happier if she is married, a particular woman may or may not be. It is bad to spread the meme that marriage itself is a raw deal for women when, if you actually ask all different types of women, it seems to be working on, typically, for those women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 04:59 PM
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Divorced women are only less happy than happily married women This isn't particularly clear cut and is complicated in its own way. Marriage offers no benefits to women Married women are the happiest demographic of women. The benefits of marriage only apply to mothers and children, and to some extent men because married men live longer. They apply to everyone. Married people are happier across the board. It isn't necessarily as easily to find an objective metric for women as men's life spans, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 04:47 PM
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Even taken at face value, the idea that the term is stained forever, because despite coming from a word that mostly described men, and despite later going on to also include men, at one point in time it exclusively meant women, I think is pretty absurd. That said, etymology online at least disagrees: mid-12c., "person of ribald speech;" c. 1300, "person fond of chiding abusive language," especially a shrewish woman [Johnson defines the noun as "A clamourous, rude, mean, low, foul-mouthed woman"]…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/25 03:18 PM
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"It" in this case being "skald" or a later usage of "scold"?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/25 03:07 PM
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The internet tells me it derives from "Skald", which were mostly men. Then it came into English usage closer to the modern meaning, but the crime of scolding mostly applied to women, but also men were found guilty of it as well.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/25 02:55 PM
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It is caused by the mismatch in sexuality, not by any one side of it. You could just as easily say that women's low libido is the culprit. What you fundamentally cannot ignore is that it is basically a situation where women are figuratively handed a $100 bill just for being born.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 02:50 PM
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Yeah, that's part of the advantage. When you're young you get all the advantages of being sought after, then when it no longer matters for most people, things would hypothetically even out. And divorced women are generally less happy than married women. On average, it makes sense for women to find someone to marry while they are young.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 02:46 PM
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Going to pretty much any social event as a young person and it being marked down in the plus column, generally by both men and women, that you're there, is pretty good. Especially as a solo guy, there is a pretty obvious baseline suspicion, especially if you're also single or make it obvious you're looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 02:43 PM
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I would take this in a heart beat over being a dude of any level of attractiveness. It is very easy to focus on the negatives, and ignore the insane degree of positive attention you get. I think the entire point of this post is that women don't weigh these things fairly, they just look at the negatives. This is also extremely unrepresentative of what women IRL actually tell me, which is that most of the time people are normal, then every once in a while a guy hits on them, does something overly …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 02:40 PM
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"I wish the tall, handsome men with great jobs, who approach me, are super sociable and interesting, treat me 'like a lady' and are super experienced and confident treated me exactly like his equal on every level and split everything the way I wished he did without me having to ask or communicate it."
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 02:28 PM
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It is a consequence of trying to argue from an anecdote, and why they aren't convincing. In the US we had literal riots over specific incidents with the police and black people, but there are also no shortage of incidents involving white people that are also outrageous. You need to have good statistics to show the overall claim is true, not rely on specific anecdotes / stories. Obviously there will be more outrageously low sentencing cases with men involved, because far more men are sentenced.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 02:25 PM
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Is murder a gendered accusation because men disproportionately do it? When you think "murderer" you probably think of a man. When there is something wrong, in and of itself, with say, murder or nagging, and it is not evenly distributed in who perpetrates that behavior, it will take on a certain stereotype, even though the idea itself isn't tied to gender in and of itself. This is very different from "mansplain" where being male is part of the requirements for doing the thing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/25 01:10 PM
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Except men can be scolds or nags. Women, by definition, can't mansplain. We associate nagging with women because they nag more, not because it is necessarily a gender-based concept.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/05/25 10:03 AM
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How exactly are you defining misogyny? It doesn't seem derogatory towards women to do this. It isn't even necessarily an assumption about women in general if it is being done specifically because a particular woman acts crabby.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 02:36 PM
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that very quickly and very often ends up in "how do we force women to "retrain" what they're attracted to or date men they're not attracted to so men won't be without romantic relationships". Why is social engineering women an issue? Not to put words in your mouth, but do you view it equally as a problem when there are efforts to retrain men to be less visual/physical? Or when suggestions are made to transform masculinity (i.e. retraining men)? I agree that social engineering shouldn't be necess…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 02:23 PM
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Growing up, in school, a lot of my teachers were sexist. Most of their favorite students were girls, some of them even made explicit derogatory comments about boys. I was in the south, but in a liberal bubble, and I saw how there was this double standard where the girls got southern chivalry when it benefited them (ladies first, holding doors, .etc), but also got "equality" even when it didn't make sense (in dodgeball we got in trouble for trying to free the athletic boys but not the girls). I d…
/r/MensRights06/05/25 02:19 PM
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most of those men are incredibly disrespectful Don't make me tap the "I dated straight men so you don't have to" post again.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 09:58 PM
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You see, if you judge a woman for anything, it means you must hate all women. But if you judge a man, it means that men are awful and trash, and frankly being a straight woman is literally hell. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 09:57 PM
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Trump? Trump won the primary against the wishes of the GOP mainstream in 2016. Fox News was not in his camp from day 1. Certainly there are influencers of these things, but they are adopted and listened to in contrast to other, traditional authorities. They also are generally superceded by even more cynical figures over time, unless they adapt their views. Evo-psych is a soft science based on speculation; untestable. Horseshit speculation. Soft sciences are still sciences. Evo-psych has produced…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 09:55 PM
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This is true for some forms of things like paid office work, but physically demanding labor (done disproportionately by men), tends to take more hours than just what you've clocked because you need time to relax and physically recover for the next day. Men also tend to do more work outside the home which involves poorer working conditions. Washing the dishes takes more time per day, but mowing the grass often involves dealing with the heat, noise, and fumes. People also take more or less enjoyme…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 09:46 PM
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It comes from authority figures. Covid deniers, anti-vaxxers, RFK… men are obedient as they are gullible. These are all non-traditiional authorities that people only listen to after they stop listening to traditional authorities. Wrong. The fat acceptance movement simply asked that overweight people be treated as human beings It is replete with science denialism, hence the infusion of HAES, and arguments over the definition of "healthy" and the like. can’t wait to hear how you defend evolutionar…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 07:10 PM
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the only thing women care about when it comes to politics is themselves. Outside of that, they don't really have beliefs. I disagree with this, I think it is very much a liberal-woman affliction to "vote as a woman", but even then they tend to, like men but probably to a greater extent, go along with the "main issue talked about in the political tribe".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 04:22 PM
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Men are prone to conspiracy Conspiracy is literally not obeying authority figures, so I think this contradicts your earlier point. I do think this is correct, in that traditional conspiracy theories do tend to be appealing to men and magical beliefs Women are more likely to believe in astrology, mysticism, "energies", .etc. post and spread more anti-science I disagree. I think anti-science is overwhelmingly a woman thing. It just doesn't look like what you're probably picturing here, again with …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 04:20 PM
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Almost every societal consideration we have for women today, how we consider what tone to use or subject to write about, to the backlash people face when making certain comments I would contest this. There, historically, have been tons and tons of rules about how you need to treat women more softly. This was not something that came about in the 20th century, but rather predates it quite a lot. For example, not cursing around women became a norm in the Victorian Era (according to a quick google),…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 04:04 PM
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Men are entirely responsible for decade long wave of anti-intellectualism. No they aren't. Plenty of women are anti-intellectual. Take, for example, the idea that western science is "colonial" or that there are "other ways of knowing". These just happen to be in line with the academia aesthetic, so we don't typically recognize them as anti-intellectualism, but they are. Men routinely ridicule college and men and women who attend, because men tend to blindly and obediently follow authority. This …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 03:41 PM
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so “why don’t women fight this?” Isn’t the right question to ask because many do Feels weird how this logic only ever works one way... A woman isn’t approached for her personhood, she isn’t treated like someone - she is treated like an object, a target. No, she is treated like someone. Approaching someone is a way that you treat a person. I don't approach non-humans. Sure, to the guy reading this, it might sound like “women have it easy” - but think of it this way, a woman still has to adhere to…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 11:53 AM
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From radicalizing the romanceless Or to spell it out very carefully, Henry clearly has no trouble attracting partners. He’s been married five times and had multiple extra-marital affairs and pre-marital partners, many of whom were well aware of his past domestic violence convictions and knew exactly what they were getting into. Meanwhile, here I was, twenty-five years old, never been on a date in my life, every time I ask someone out I get laughed at, I’m constantly teased and mocked for being a…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 02:07 AM
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This was true for me till I moved to a major liberal city. Tons of women here are awful. A lot of them really genuinely hate men as a class.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 05:48 PM
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While l have always encouraged my girls to be polite rejecting boys, it’s hard to stop this kind of meanness I agree, I don't think it would stop the behavior outright, but I think that unlike cat calling, stalking or screaming vulgarities at women, there is relatively little social enforcement or even conception that this behavior is wrong. Trying to "teach people not to X" where X is something that is already criminal, coded as low class, .etc is obviously going to do little to reduce the beha…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 04:52 PM
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What exactly is the point here?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 03:15 PM
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I think it is commonly read into places where it isn't actually held, and is mentioned literally an order of magnitude more often by people who use it to smear the other side, than anything even suggesting it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 01:48 PM
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It kind of vaguely suggests It doesn't vaguely suggest though. All it says is that having a bunch of angry men is bad. Anything beyond that is something you're bringing from outside context, I think deeply unfairly.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 01:46 PM
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and has been used explicitly in this sub to attribute blame, and excuse violence Then you should reply in those places where that is happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 01:21 PM
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You're the one thinking in terms of fault, when we should all be thinking in terms of solving problems. That would be a fair line of argument if requiring women to have sex with men that they don't want to was a fair or reasonable request. Or we could get women to initiate more, or we could change norms or laws around dating apps in a way that impacts the dating landscape, or we could actually think about this as a problem for more than just the amount of time required to dismiss the idea of pos…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 01:09 PM
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Since you're new here I will explain how this works. Red pillers will complain about some sexist double-standard around relationships (like women rarely initiating), or make some otherwise pretty innocuous point. Blue pillers then interpret this as basically red pillers thinking rape should be legal. This is quite a common pattern, where blue pillers are obsessed with making broad, sweeping accusations, based on the absolutely most scant evidence. Even when specific posts are provided, the views…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 01:07 PM
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Yes, but that isn't the context in which these depictions are made in video games. For example, I was at the park the other day, and a very buff guy was going around on roller skates, completely nude minus a very small set of shorts, with a cowboy hat on. If this was gender-reversed, men would find that quite sexy. I described it to my GF and she was somewhat aghast / uncomfortable over it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 12:58 PM
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At least we're on the same page about them being treated differently. I see this as a consequence of the double standard, rather than the cause of it. I don't think men's portrayals of women typically dehumanizes women in any way, it just focuses on women being overtly sexual, which doesn't make them non-human. The idea of "dehumanization" in this context in and of itself makes rather little sense. This also misses the acceptability of say, women lusting after rich men, which clearly is not beca…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 12:05 AM
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Nah women's sexuality is still dingy sweatpants as well. This is just saying "nuh, uh", it isn't an actual argument. But you aren't going to go out to dinner with your partner's parents in them. I think it is pretty clear that it would be seen as far more offensive for a man to even lightly hint at, for example, sleeping with his GF to her parents, instead of the reverse. i.e. women's dingy sweatpants are actually not nearly as dingy at all. Where I am getting at in regards to why male sexuality…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 11:07 PM
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It could be a sort of a remnant from the past when they were created solely for the male gaze. You mean like, straight men creating media that appeals to their sexuality? This is my entire point. I remember when I created male characters (if you had the option to select the sex for your character) for the sole reason because plate armour on women were plate bikinis. Which game specifically are you talking about? I feel like people say this in the general sense, but if you look at like, for examp…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 11:02 PM
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I think the problem here is that men's sexuality is seen as those dingy sweatpants, whereas women's sexuality is seen more as jeans. You're allowed to wear it in more contexts without being seen as inappropriate. I've had multiple women in the workplace make comments that, were the sexes reversed, I have a lot of confidence would be seen as completely inappropriate. There are complaints about male sexuality that really have nothing to do with men individually or specifically, for example, sexy w…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 07:54 PM
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If you only hold that "feminism is any effort to address any problem that women face", then obviously, given that women's lives are not perfect, there will be problems that need solutions. I think the problem is that there is a lot of "theory" / baggage inside of the feminist perspective, and all of these problems have obvious means of addressing them / thinking about them that actually have very little to do with sex & gender at all.
/r/MensRights01/05/25 04:25 PM
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I know that the leading cause of death for pregnant women is homicide, overwhelmingly perpetrated by the woman's intimate partner People say this like it means anything. This is true because women, when pregnant, generally stop doing drugs, drinking and get out less / take fewer risks. They're young, generally healthy, and have nothing else to kill them due to modern medicine. You can tell this fear is a result of socialization and not exposure to actual violence because homicide is so rare ther…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 05:59 AM
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All science requires claims to be testable, otherwise it isn't science at all. If we are taking self reporting at face value, and only 1, in 10,000 of those women agree with the idea above, but still some greater portion of them (say 25%) have rape fantasies, would you accept that as strong evidence against that theory explaining why most women who have rape fantasies have them?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 05:30 PM
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Like, what data could we get that would cause us to possibly disconfirm this idea? Like, if someone said that fire is the release of phlogiston from matter, then we could weigh an object, burn it, and expect that the ashes weigh less than the original object, if they weighed the same amount or more, this would cause us to dought something is being released by fire.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 05:18 PM
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What would you accept as a test of this?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 03:30 PM
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This is a tiny sample size, it really doesn't tell us much, but is an interesting question to try and answer. I wouldn't put a lot of stock in this result.
/r/MensRights17/04/25 12:31 PM
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School shooters have all been men. Serial killers are nearly all men. Men, US, we have a problem with violence. There is a difference between members of a group that have a problem with violence and a group having that problem. I don't have a problem with violence, yet I am a man. Denying it doesn’t help the men who destroy their own lives by committing this violence Pushing the idea that this is a men problem doesn't help the vast majority of men who don't commit school shootings, nor are seria…
/r/MensRights17/04/25 11:43 AM
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Let's ask 5 women to find out why! Let's ask 4 women and 1 left-wing gay man
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/04/25 01:11 PM
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You have obviously not played many games. That sentence is shit that a writer who has only ever played pacman would come up with for a daytime drama.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 03:06 AM
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(not OP) I do not think Tate is a reliable source. Did he? Probably. Do I think that because Tate said it is a good reason? No. I just don't trust the man.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/25 09:07 AM
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I have literally not a single time, ever IRL seen any organization (or effort or flier or anything) dedicated to getting more men into anything at all. Closest I have ever come is after already looking at the BBBS website they explicitly want more men to sign up. That's it.
/r/MensRights28/03/25 09:45 PM
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Saying "men are trash"? Harmless joke Being surprised a woman is into things overwhelmingly done by men? Virulent misogyny.
/r/MensRights25/03/25 11:24 PM
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Running 100m is easy to do at all, but running it as fast as possible is basically impossible unless you are extremely genetically gifted. The difficulty comes from your competition. Figure skating is really hard to do at all, and doing it at the olympic level is still incredibly difficult. The difficulty comes both from how hard it is to do, but also from your competition. Dating for women is more like running 100m, dating for men is more like figure skating.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 01:03 PM
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For the typical woman who participates in these discussions their level of interest in us all tackling issues of privilege together, and how it is all a fight against injustice is directly proportional to how privileged they think men are. If something impacts women, no matter how interpersonal or intimate, or how much social engineering is required for there to be a remedy, they are happy to talk about and suggest it and actually all your problems are caused by our problems. OTOH if something i…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 01:26 PM
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Everything in life is harder for some people than others. Even for women 😱. Do you think there are some things that are harder for women because of social expectations of them as women? And quite frankly, if men don’t want to initiate or escalate, they don’t have to. Only if you want to date and have sex. They are doing that because they want something from someone else. Plenty of women want things from men and men are socially expected to be the ones to handle that for them. I’m fine with whoev…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 05:32 PM
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"It must be really hard to have to put more effort into romantic relationships and sex than someone else, because of how you were born." "I wouldn't like it if men expected me to always have to initiate, escalate, .etc either."
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 05:23 PM
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A lot of men have trouble finding any women... You could have just stopped there... women get flooded with attention from men who are offering something we don’t want. Go look back at the "I dated straight men so you don't have to" post, women have access to reasonable attention from men on tap, 24/7 anywhere and anytime they want it. Which is not that we’re getting lots of offers but the men aren’t good enough. I think you're assuming your perspective is the only perspective. I have had women I…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 04:48 PM
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None of this comes across as sympathy. It comes across as trying to blame people. Its like if a boomer, in response to someone younger complaining about needing job experience to get a job, said that "it must be hard feeling so entitled to being given a job". You're missing the point entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 04:38 PM
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It is because humans don't necessarily get happier if they are in better conditions. Hedonic adaptation can occur in a variety of ways. Generally, the process involves cognitive changes, such as shifting values, goals, attention and interpretation of a situation.[5] Further, neurochemical processes desensitize overstimulated hedonic pathways in the brain, which possibly prevents persistently high levels of intense positive or negative feelings.[6] The process of adaptation can also occur through…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 01:11 PM
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Men express their desires on women -> unfair oppression Women express their desires on men -> you're an incel for complaining
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 02:58 AM
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"I know this great chef who used a kitchen knife to try and chop vegetables and cut off his finger, clearly kitchen knives are just a scam and don't work."
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 12:10 AM
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Now imagine trying to deal with that when neither of you are even adults in early teenage dating. I appreciate this just cuz I feel like women don't understand how hard women making dating them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 07:25 PM
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If a woman told me she wanted to wait to have sex, I wouldn't assume that extended to kissing automatically, but I think it depends on what exactly you said around "taking things slow". I am glad you found a man that made you feel that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 04:48 PM
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The problem is this: If 80% of women want the "communicationless kiss" on the first date and 20% will instantly lose all attraction, then statistically, as a man, it makes absolutely zero sense not to just go for it. (Numbers are entirely hypothetical.) Did you ever communicate this explicitly about yourself to a man on a first date / prior to a first date?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 01:15 PM
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No, why would he do that? Because humans are social creatures, and most people's sense of meaning and worth is a function of how you fit into society. Humans are not atoms. Having an autonomous sense of self is not the same as "figure it out on your own". You can have an independent sense of self while still having people in your life that you can rely and depend on. And who would those people be? I don't think it is fair to say the point of Ken's arc is "Kens should all just be friends". It is …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 07:20 PM
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Nope, the point is that Ken should stand on his own independent of Barbie. And that he should be dependent upon what other kens think of him? Or seek social status and titles? Nah, it is very much about finding the sense of self from within, "just figure it out dude", without a dependence upon needing a social role.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 05:09 PM
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I know some guys who are really into wrestling. Sometimes, especially if we're like playing another sport and they're on the sidelines with one of the other wrestlers, they'll start wrestling one another (they do not wrestle the non-wrestlers, who would not appreciate that interaction). Nobody is upset or angry. I was thinking of a particular IRL dude when writing this description.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 04:56 PM
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When I say "openly enjoys fighting", I mean like, at a MMA gym. He isn't brawling in the streets, but rather is a guy who enjoys fighting-as-sport / mutual combat in an appropriate social setting.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 04:25 PM
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And that's a discussion we can have. But that's not what OP is saying. If a role model is neither masculine nor positive, how is it a positive masculine role model? His arc is about rejecting toxic masculinity. He's certainly not perfect, but his arc has an excellent message, especially for men on this sub. Not really. The point is essentially that Ken should stand on his own independent of society, and without needing any sort of external validation. That is the very definition of just "manning…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 04:23 PM
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You heard the phrase “toxic masculinity” and made an assumption that the definition is “all masculinity is toxic” What within traditional masculinity do you think is not part of toxic masculinity? What sort of masculine traits do you think should be considered masculine, in such a way that it is differentiated from femininity? I think a big part of the confusion here is that toxic masculinity is used broadly and vaguely, and in a way that tends to basically encompass: "the things we teach boys a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 04:01 PM
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Not the other person, trying to give a more realistic comparison: Charlie served as an 11B in the army before he got out (why he is single right now). He used to wrestle in highschool, and got into MMA as a sport, he openly enjoys fighting, but outside of sport just says he'd kick the ass of anyone who tried to hurt him or his family. Dylan is an electrician's apprentice. He likes ultimate frizbee and plays in local pickup games with a consistent group of friends. He is a pacifist and doesn't be…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 03:56 PM
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Okay, but you don't get to complain you aren't offered anything just because you don't like what's offered. I think the main criticism is that most of the "masculine role models" aren't actually masculine or necessarily that positive. And if you don't like the offerings, then push to create your own. Men did, for decades, then that got moralized. It's not vague at all. You understood exactly what I was talking about. I did? Even reading your reply I don't understand it. But not being offered pos…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 03:33 PM
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I think it's that many men are not ready to accept them as masculine role models. "The beatings will continue until morale improves" If men don't want to be that kind of a man, then isn't the important thing to listen to them? Or is it okay to enforce societal expectations of gender from "on high" so long as you consider them positive? Hell, the Barbie movie quite prominently features men shedding toxic masculine traits and finding healthier behavior and outlook on life. You saw how men reacted …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 03:12 PM
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Polling indicates otherwise
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 05:13 AM
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I think you're trying to actively make men on these forums out to be terrible people, and it comes across like you simply lack empathy / understanding, probably because as a woman, you've always had options presented to you, and haven't ever had to actually think about the logistics of it. Even if you have normal mixed-gender socialization, you only get so many opportunities and see / interact with so many women, and have so much time to expand your social circle. You have to maintain such an ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 05:09 AM
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Sex-positive feminism to its fullest would lead to women being as comfortable discussing what attracts them to men as we are in the other direction. We're already way more comfortable with women talking about what they are attracted to openly than with men. It hasn't lead to utopia yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 06:58 PM
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But they still did. And do you have a crystal ball to say that movements more focused on men never will? You cannot look at the past and say "they did it then, why haven't you already done it now?", since you'd find yourself making this same mistake back with all the old movements you're looking back at. And I find it fascinating how so many of you are ignoring what I said about MAGA fans. MAGA fans were willing to be ostracized, beaten, doxxed, JAILED, for their beliefs. Guess what? They won so…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 02:45 PM
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From your post: issues solely pertaining to men dont result in men galvanizing to reform things Women's movements had a similar issue, and took a while to gain traction. We shouldn't expect men to just magically all get on the same page to "galvanize to reform things", after all, by this same logic, you'd end up dismissing early feminism in a similar light (and I think we can all agree it ended up being quite influential).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 02:14 PM
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Early feminists especially have various quotes where they point out average women didn't/doesn't agree with them, and even now there are tons of women that take issue with various feminists positions and perspectives. Women don't emerge from their mother's wombs chanting "my body, my choice", why would we expect "men" to be any different?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 02:09 PM
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It's the total lack of support men have for their mental health. There's very few places for them to be open and honest to speak about trauma, negative experiences , the mundane struggles of daily life and problems occurring in romantic relationships. Then why was this problem not as bad as in the past? Bluntly, we should be expecting this to be receding with time, but it is actually getting worse. This is the opposite of what we would expect if this were the root cause. We should also expect a …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 06:47 AM
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the abortion issue was, undeniably, immediately consequential to half the voting population, and at the forefront of both campaigns. It wasn't at the forefront of Trump's campaign, and Democrats making it at the forefront of their campaign clearly didn't work. Women were not massively motivated to vote over the issue. Honestly I have no idea how this really works as a response to most of what I said and think you need to clarify what you're trying to say.
/r/MensRights26/12/24 01:27 PM
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This is your personal framing of abortion. The entire point of voting is that people are able to understand issues in their own way and come to their own conclusions. You do not get to dictate to everyone what they should think. This is a feature, not a bug. If one instead subscribed to a moral framing of abortion believing that it was murder, they could equally argue that what was on the ballot was women voting to allow themselves to commit murder, and that men are in a superior position to eva…
/r/MensRights23/12/24 06:46 PM
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Dating Method Number of Attempts Average Match Rate Expected Number of Matches Cost Online 200 5% 10 $0 Dating Events 20 10% 2 $20+ & commute to and from event Swiping online is significantly faster than getting to the event, having the conversations, and coming back from the event. You need a much higher hit rate for it to be worth it. The numbers here are made up, but this is the basic principle. Women are trying to sort through matches better, so it makes sense for them since they get more in…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 02:20 PM
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I can't talk about this IRL without risking a social hit. If I only look in a place that is a circlejerk / one-sided then I risk not being exposed to disconfirmatory evidence, or missing significant nuance.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 02:08 PM
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I've seen the women that women are for each other when there are no male witnesses. And I've seen women literally freak out at the suggestion they ask the dude they are crushing on out. So basically women's advice works on someone who does the things that tend to come from having an internal locus of control. No, the opposite. It only works because men put in effort. If men were to do the same they would get no results. The advice isn't good or bad, it only works because dating and relationships…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 05:49 PM
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Men will fuck dead women and women in a coma. They’ll fuck sheep and dogs and animals - it’s so bad that Bible had to impose a rule against it. Do you think this is typical for men? But we are supposed to feel lucky that man will cum inside us??? You should feel lucky that the sex you are attracted to will generally take the initiative and try to get with you, as opposed to having to take on that role. You are free to initiate, or respond to a man's initiation. As a man, waiting for a woman to i…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 07:42 AM
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I take a bit of issue with that, dude. It depends what situations you're asking people questions about and thus the tests are almost impossible to make fair and reasonable. You're free to find literally any instrument that shows the opposite result consistently. And if you're not asking people questions about situations, you're instead asking them meta questions about what they think about themselves when asked to assess themselves , that's a horrendously messed way to try to assess people again…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 07:39 AM
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The U.S. draft hasn’t been used in over 50 years and will never reasonably be used ever again. It is entirely reasonable that the US will have another draft at some point. It is entirely possible it might be needed in 2027-2030 if China invades Taiwan. This doesn't change though that the draft is not only something the US has done historically, but is considered entirely legal. Draftees are literally alive today that you can go talk to. That they aren't arguing about it online doesn't really cha…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 06:51 AM
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Step 1: Decry lack of sufficient empathy for your side, and how this uniquely effects you because you're a woman Step 2: Someone points out that actually this doesn't seem gendered since the same thing happens in reverse Step 3: Cry foul, and demand that they "break the cycle" by just nodding and accepting your point, IG? If you're going to make a point that something is your experience as a woman, then you have to be prepared to defend this. If it is just your experience as an individual, then …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 06:44 AM
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In my experience women reliably make it past the first hurdle...to have an internal locus of control and assess the situation as being one of their own weakness in the face of their own desires and the problem at hand being to put their rational mind back in control of themselves. Men typically have a more internal locus of control. This has been known for decades, and persists cross-culturally
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 06:24 AM
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The thing is, you don't necessarily know who you're interested in that is also interested in you until someone makes it clear. Men make that clear, allowing you to then just judge the field. That's way more consistent, more engaging, and less soul-crushing than trying to put in effort and getting shot down most of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 05:58 AM
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EDIT TO ADD: the audience does not include the people driving and being affected by FGM. So the impact of the language in the developed West has much less impact on changing the hearts and minds of the people that could stop it. Yes, it does. There are women in the west who were subject to FGC practices. You are still calling them mutilated.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 05:46 AM
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I do agree on a lot of the language, but: It is also difficult to use the “autonomy and consent” argument, when infants go through a lot that they cannot consent to (eg, vaccines, ear piercing, getting posted on social media, etc). Because there are some things that parents can consent to for their children, does that mean they can consent to anything for their child? AND the rates of adverse outcomes for circumcisions pursued later in life are significantly worse. If you no longer thought this …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 05:44 AM
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In every culture genital cutting practices are handed down along same-sex lines. It is basically a form of hazing, and replicates because of issues dealing with one's own parents, and faults one might have in their own body.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 05:41 AM
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If you no longer thought that your BF being happy about it was a good reason to circumcise your sons, would that change your mind?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 05:38 AM
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Sensitivity is subjectively relative, which is why the metrics you would actually care about would be sexual dysfunction or sexual dissatisfaction. Not really, there are other elements to sexuality than what we think of as dysfunction. The only studies that show circumcised people reporting higher rates of dysfunction / dissatisfaction are survey studies that invite confirmation bias. What exactly is your alternative to measuring dissatisfaction that isn't a survey exactly? I'm also not sure how…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 05:35 AM
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And if men are looking for LTR partners they have to do the same, but also you have to put more effort into sifting the pile.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 05:19 AM
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It is substantially better than the alternative, which makes women luckier than men in this respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 05:18 AM
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Well we don’t always get what we want especially in communication with others. Which is the whole point of talking about it, to make it clear to women that they should change. It is better and healthier for everyone. Being able to have an idea of what someone might be feeling is a social skill and that’s something that can be developed. I do have an idea, the problem is that it is at a lower confidence level than it could be for no good reason. Why can't you just fucking say how you feel? Please…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 05:20 AM
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Have you ever dealt with a woman when you have a problem with her as a man? It is sooooooooooo much fucking worse. You think having to talk to someone in detail about a problem makes them "like a child"? have you ever had to emotionally comfort someone who cried because your complaint made them feel bad, which they then use to try and make you out to be the bad guy (with some random BS examples of stuff you did from a long time ago thrown in for good measure). Men are just more chill and take th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 04:12 AM
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To relate it back to dating, you should want to understand how a romantic interest feels about you and be motivated to figure it out. No. I want you to just fucking tell me. Like an adult, who can use her words. If you consider that too much work why do you think you’d be a good partner? "If someone doesn't put up with busy-work I intentionally erect to make their life more difficult, that just means they're lazy." No, it means that if it is a no I've got to move on to the next woman, and can yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 04:09 AM
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and do what needs to be done without having to be told like a child. That's not very nice. In this household we use our big girl words and say what we mean, instead of vaguely alluding to the problem. When my gutters are full, I clean them. No one has to tell me to do it. And if someone else was living with you, noticed the gutters were full before you did, then they would hopefully tell you about it first. Doesn't mean you have to be told or anything, just that clear communication is better tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 04:01 AM
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Good guys don't threaten or be polite because if they do they won't get what they want . Non-threatening doesn't literally refer to not making threats. It means like, being milquetoast. Essentially overly preemptively deferential in response to women complaining. Going with the first girl that gives you attention is a HUGE red flag on so many levels "We don't all fuck chad, we just don't fuck anyone who does anything that makes it look like they might have low self esteem in dating"
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 03:40 AM
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That's not a point that is at all relevant. My partners don't just have a slightly different taste for what they'd most prefer, they just... really haven't prompted any romantic interaction at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 03:14 AM
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My sisters were very much the victims of female social aggression more than the aggressors. They had mostly male friends. I'd note that empathy helps make you a better social bully. Understanding how someone will feel if you say something, makes you better at saying things that will make them feel bad. Empathy isn't a universally good trait.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 12:43 AM
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Could it be that your definition and their definitions of romance are different? I struggle to think of anything my exes or current GF did/does that could meet any reasonable definition of romance. For example, I think “We should cook” is a romantic gesture. It implies let’s choose a meal together, let’s go to the store and shop for those items together. Leading with a suggestion stops it from turning into a slog, which I find is very common. It’s placing an order and removing the togetherness o…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 12:28 AM
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“If you don’t have something nice to say, don’t say anything at all.” I heard that growing up constantly. My dad literally said exactly this constantly to me and my brother, but not our sisters, since they actually tended to follow this advice. We were taught more about this, and yet the result was weaker. I would guess that, while it is hard to make the leap from describing groups to individuals, as is more likely for women than men, my sisters were people who were naturally more inclined towar…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 03:46 AM
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ie social capital. Social capital only matters if you're having an ongoing relationship with this person. Even then, it isn't as simple as lying builds social capital, in that it also builds a reputation of you being honest, which means later affirmations come across as genuine. If the researcher was looking for honest feedback and cued that, then it would have been missing out to not give it, but the cue was for approval. Which they: Didn't need Didn't give any clear reason why it would help th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 03:35 AM
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A very good question! If I had to try and identify defining traits: Spontaneous, that I didn't have to prompt this (or that I don't recall / remember prompting it) Relation to other information about myself that it shows they've paid attention to and have noted Involves personal effort / cost on her part to at least some extent
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 03:17 AM
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People pleasing is manipulative behavior. Manipulation generally (but not always) has a connotation of being out for yourself in it. Making someone feel better, even with white lies, is generally not described as manipulative if done for the other person's benefit without expectation of reward or reciprocity. Women are absolutely taught to people please If someone was naturally predisposed towards people pleasing, how would they subjectively experience that do you think? Would they view it as be…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 03:06 AM
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From their perspective, there is probably no reason not to prioritize the researcher’s feelings. They don’t really gain anything socially or personally by expressing their disgust. Nor is there any clear cost to telling the truth versus lying, and being truthful in and of itself has value. The researcher might think about adjusting the receipe, and then everyone who drinks it after them will be able to honest and say they enjoy it (hopefully). What negative consequence was there actually? But it…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 03:00 AM
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Maybe I just know how to pick them, but the women I have been with have pretty universally all been extremely unromantic. They were consumers of romance, not producers of it. Not a complete list of romantic things, but the ones I think I'd appreciate the most: A non-regifted/non-SWAG gift unrelated to a gift-giving holiday Unexpected/unsolicited favor if I said my day was going bad / work was shitty Making me something homemade as a gift or a card, even if it is shitty (and my home-made gifts ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 02:53 AM
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But this trait /tendency sucks, both for them and people around them. When you are super nonconfrontational you end up taking a lot of shit from others. But it also makes you more insincere, not a saint. It is a trait that comes with tradeoffs. It is easier to get along the more people pleasing you are, but you risk subordinating your own wants and desires too much. There is bad and good in it, and trying to engineer the "right" amount of it seems... dramatic to say the least.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 02:35 AM
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Not saying that social norms can't be weaponized or manipulated, but that having the capacity to engage in socially appropriate behavior and read the situation is objectively a good thing. This is entirely value-laden. It is not necessarily clear that they didn't read the situation correctly, namely that the researcher was capable of dealing emotionally with their criticism, even if it wasn't to the researcher's preference. You'd have to introduce a "researcher demonstrates emotional fragility" …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 02:32 AM
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being taught This has nothing to do with being taught. It doesn't demonstrate anything about the origin of this behavior, just that it exists. One way to really stop seeing people-pleasing as kindness is to see it as manipulation. It’s trying to control other people’s emotions. People pleasing is neither bad nor good, it simply is. Sometimes it pays off well, sometimes it pays off not so well. This makes girls the perfect abuse victims, because they think they deserve the treatment they get and …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 02:29 AM
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When women talk about me "being a man", like 95% of the time they're trying to get me to do something for them / want me to take their side. When men tell me to "be a man" like 95% of the time they're telling me that I'm strong enough to deal with something or that it just isn't a big deal, and generally they're right.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 08:46 AM
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Do you have any actual evidence for this? I have heard this said many times, but have yet to see anything substantiate the claim at all. One could just as easily argue the opposite, that men tend to open up in bits and by testing the waters, but that women perceive this as being inappropriate, even if it isn't. HealthyGamerGG says a lot of things that are not well evidenced.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 05:56 AM
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What a dismissive way to avoid engaging with someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 01:50 PM
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I do not think that most people would argue that women are incapable of opening doors, or that men are incapable of washing plates, so I don't think your descriptions hold up very well.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 01:22 PM
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I feel we should hold men accountable for that animalistic behavior instead of just saying "it's an instinctual urge", instead of the women who get harmed by it. We don't hold the women who get "harmed" by it accountable. Instead we understand that, we already think poorly of such men in general, and there is little we can do to influence or change them. Therefore the variable that is easiest to talk about changing, is women. Same reason why we emphasize locking stuff up to prevent theft. Unders…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 04:11 AM
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Sincere question: if men are marinated in self-improvement messaging from childhood, where does RP outrage come from and why is RP status advice valued? You can work out for reasons unrelated to women, and also be lied to that women don't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 04:02 AM
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This is basically repeating a lot of myths about emotional expression and its impact on people's social lives. The actual data seem to show men are at least as, if not somewhat e: a little bit (somewhat has larger connotations than I intend) healthier than women in terms of emotional regulation (less depressive, less anxious, more internal focus of control, .etc). The main thing men suffer from more than women is substance abuse, which is not necessarily an emotional problem. Male friendships ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 03:30 AM
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Well, if the answer is that the lesser evil is justified It is common when studying ethics to have to deal with situations where you have to pick the "less bad" option. After all, by your own logic, this would result in less death and suffering than allowing someone with good policies to lose. What's a few deaths compared to countless millions? Because then you get a situation where there is obvious political instability, or, worse, where there isn't political instability because murdering your …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/10/24 03:12 PM
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How much higher do you think someone's odds of success are at a speed dating event versus via online dating? Including any transit time, and cost of the event, how many more swipes do you think a man could have gained via online dating in the same time/money spent? Like I said in my comment, if my success rate (at whatever I'm trying) is twice as high, that is still a huge improvement over OLD, but if I could have swiped on 200 women instead of 20, then my odds are still better via OLD. You need…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/24 02:12 AM
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The role of president is more than just policy - they are a symbolic leader of the country, the person that visiting heads of state meet with, the literal face of the nation. And? How does being a probable racist make it harder to meet visiting heads of state? Like, this is a vague reference to some arbitrary criteria. In the meantime, someone who would say, get anti-abortion legislation passed into laws, will be actively fucking over millions of people's lives. Someone with terrible foreign pol…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/10/24 02:05 AM
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And frankly, I have a hard time finding a disagreement with that. This isn't hard to argue against. Regardless of the president's personal prior conduct, they ultimately make serious policy decisions that will have a massive impact on millions of people and the country's future. Having policy alignment with a candidate should be prioritized even over criminal acts. For example, would you honestly vote for someone for president who was against abortion and would cut taxes on the rich, .etc if the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/24 10:16 PM
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Literally was just reading the thread, as normal people do on reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 04:23 PM
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If a speed dating event doesn't increase a man's odds of success enough that he would have better odds in OLD, then why would he waste the time? As a woman you get more information about men to judge them and pick among them, as a man, if you could have swiped on 10x as many women, even with half the success rate, why bother?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 03:37 PM
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I think you are reading a lot into his tone. Also given that I've gotten three replies, I'm just gonna generally assume you kinda need to go chill on this topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 03:07 PM
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Lastly, here he says the exact words “I will continue to be toxic and hostile”. This was literally half an hour later... You were assuming. Not only that but the dictionary definition you provided definitely loses a lot of the specifics of "anger", it is possible to be displeased without being angry.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 03:03 PM
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You specifically said [emphasis mine]: And how often are you seeing this on dating profiles that you are so angry? Is it possible to respond to someone to rebut them without being "angry"?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 01:51 PM
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This is so divorced from my day-to-day experience IRL, and even reading this sub, that I honestly have no idea what planet you are from. Women expressing preferences is a normal part of conversation that generally gets no commentary or feedback besides "know your worth" or "okay". Men expressing preferences basically makes them the devil "you know, it isn't all about looks, you should love the whole person" (even if they said nothing about ignoring personality) or "it is dehumanizing to reduce a…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 01:48 PM
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Here is exactly such a claim in a similar thread (e: from a woman per her post history) Just remember though, here on PPD, it doesn't matter what the thread is, men always believe whatever would be most embarrassing/stupid for us to believe. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 01:19 PM
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How does this "default resentment" take form? In many ways, mostly that women tend to actively resent men asking them out or prospectively trying to date them. When women act annoyed at being propositioned, or the idea they might even be hit on, or like certain men just shouldn't have the gall to hit on them, that's resentment.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 03:05 AM
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"why should I believe my lying ears and lying eyes when I can believe groups that are histrionic over this?"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/07/24 11:39 AM
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The ongoing genocide in Gaza? I disagree it is a genocide. The apartheid in the West Bank? Turns out Israelis don't like being suicide-bombed, who knew? The settler terrorism in the West Bank The settler shit should stop, yes. ongoing colonization This is its own rabbit hole. The likud charter that talks of a greater Israel “from the river to the sea” Likud can go fuck themselves And little things like rapey/amputation torture camps that are defended by members of the Israeli government. Which i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/07/24 07:34 AM
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Having actually been in the country now I can confirm it isn't an apartheid state. Definitely not a haven of a lack of ethnic issues, but it seems closer to how I imagine the 70s and 80s US with regards to civil rights for black people. Arabs and Jews clearly and obviously do mix in Israeli society in a way I don't think is fair to call apartheid. It is possible to criticize people you generally agree with, or an organized movement you are a part of. Not giving in to groupthink is a actually pre…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/07/24 07:07 AM
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Israelis aren't immune to tribalism and the weird fucked up psychology of siege mentality. It isn't that different from the conservatives in the US who defended abuses at Abu Ghraib in the US. However, unlike in the West bank and Gaza, Israel is a liberal democracy, where there is some, imperfect, free speech and where there is some notion of the rule of law.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/07/24 07:00 AM
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Or actually, instead of doing a big reply thing, if you just want to get on a call and actually discuss this over voice, DM me your discord or skype or whatever and we'll work it out.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/24 05:35 PM
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I used to feel outraged by direct aggression like in the comic. That is until I noticed the theme of "not all men" persists through every post. Saying "not all men" is literally laughed at in these circles. It doesn't persist through every post, instead, anyone who tries to put these claims in perspective, or point out that these comments paint with a broad brush, and that treating all men like they are this way, or treating men in general with suspicion is wrong gets dismissed and accused often…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/24 05:34 PM
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You mean like killing someone because of something their brother did? Or raising a son from a young age to avenge their father? It fundamentally warps the understanding of the culture to focus on one cultural practice that is shocking to us to the exclusion of others.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 12:12 PM
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They are a small portion of overall murders in these regions. We think they are a more common problem due to publicity. Meanwhile IIRC in some parts of Afghanistan, blood feuds are components of more than half of all murders. Edit: If you've ever run into anyone who dealt with afghans for a while, they almost all will mention the social force that are blood feuds.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 10:45 AM
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Honor killings are petty rare and yet are seen as a huge issue. Other institutions, like blood feuds, which are [extremely common in some ethnic groups and target men]https://euaa.europa.eu/country-guidance-afghanistan-2020/2181-blood-feuds), however, aren't talked about basically at all in a gendered context (except maybe to take shots at men).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 03:59 AM
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Women rarely get their experiences invalidated compared to men. Your post, for example, literally downplays men dealing with generalizations that are entirely socially acceptable that wouldn't be acceptable about any other group. If almost every person who got struck by lightning was a man, would it be fair to say "men get struck by lightning" or "those who get struck by lightning are men"? One of these generalizes men (and would be considered inaccurate), the other generalizes lighting strike v…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/06/24 03:40 AM
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I wanna see a woman from this sub try the reverse. Edit: I'll donate $25 for every woman who messages first with something other than "hi" or "hey" /s
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 11:48 PM
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Intimidation is a specific mechanism which doesn't necessarily apply. If a man thinks women who earn more are more likely to shoot him down, his decision of if to invest more time or not will be effected.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 11:44 PM
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Bio theory isn't that T leads to crime but that T leads to dominance-seeking (for lack of a better term) behavior which is correlated with crime. There are non-crime ways to "follow through" on having higher T, just like how there are good and bad uses for jet fuel. Jet fuel causes explosions and also makes air travel possible, the two uses aren't contradictory. Control theory would seem to predict a massive spike in women's crime we never saw AFAIK. Sex roles and socialization in general fails …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/06/24 07:41 PM
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The principle chief was elected by other chiefs Historically, the Nation was led by a principal chief, regularly elected by chiefs from Cherokee towns within the Nation’s domain. I cannot find any source on town chief selection, but the women's council seems to have been at a national level only as far as sources seem to describe it (women having "a voice" below that) anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 11:48 AM
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These are a random post on medium and huffpo, the book cited in the first example can be searched on google books and pretty clearly undermines this very description. Men seem to have very much been in control of governing in basically every reference I see (handling relations, being part of the council, .etc), and the economy was subsistence-based and women didn't get a handle on a non-gift economy until much later than men. The second example is pretty much just someone making shit up and does…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 03:18 AM
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This doesn't seem right They were Matrilineal, with a specific "war woman" position in wartime government.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 11:48 PM
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There’s not much to say other than do you want to be a woman? I think they get a better deal when it comes to dating. E: If I could snap my fingers and truly have been a woman all my life (as in, have both the body and identity of a woman) I would do so in a heartbeat. Women aren’t getting attention for being themselves, they’re getting attention because they have a pussy and that’s what most men want. The sexual value of pussy is a big part of the reason why men initiate and women don't, but cl…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 12:06 AM
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I resent the people who told me to "just be myself" when that obviously wasn't working. I also resent that women get to "just be themselves" and get at least some attention from men with minimal effort. Why should I have to consciously learn how to escalate and manage the early stages of a relationship when they don't have to? Why do I have to sit and politely listen to women bitch, about men failing to / inappropriately taking direct initiative (not like harassment, but more complaining about t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 12:01 PM
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Because other people say you should be friends first, or they aren't sure if they want to pursue and then they go for it and it hurts afterwards to be around that person. Even played straight this is basically just getting on someone's case for being too slow when trying to advance to romance. Individual people have different preferences on this and accusing someone of faking being a friend over it is reading their actions in the most malicious way possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/24 01:32 PM
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I think it is that a lot of criticism tends to default to things men are sensitive to and it is much more socially acceptable to aggressively hound them. Being called a misogynist hits men and women differently, and we treat low status / out group men worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/24 01:25 PM
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Or that people are more friendly with girls / more tolerant of their early weirdness, resulting in them having more opportunities to socialize, which helps them develop better social skills as they grow up. Social skills are a negative feedback loop. The more you're socially excluded the more poorly your skills develop and the more you are excluded.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 03:24 PM
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I'm a sucker for trying to turn A into B, even though logically B is the better partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 01:56 PM
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PPD has basically two modes of thought on this: In one mind all women are asked out constantly all the time, and men are ignorant for not realizing how terrible it is to constantly be hit on. In the other mind men are ignorant and silly for not realizing that women aren't actually hit on all the time unless they're really pretty, and that actually the idea women always have sex/relationships available is just wrong. Today PPD is in mind 1 it would seem. It'll change at some point.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 01:49 PM
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It’s not my fault if he didn’t do the same thing with his life You do understand how this privileges chasing emotionally fulfilling, but less economically productive work, right? I don’t see why I should have to devote more hours doing chores because I was smart about my job choices Is it smart, or a different set of values? Dividing by time available makes much more sense to us. Should it be weighed by time available alone, or also by one's emotional and physical state? This is interesting as m…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 08:56 PM
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"well I contribute x, so I don't care if you're also tired, you should do more chores!" If someone is tired because they spent all day doing something they thought was fun, do they also get out of chores? Do you think people are generally more tired/exhausted when they've done something they find emotionally fulfilling all day, or something they don't? You never answered my question about the reverse scenario. If a man who earns $150,000 is married to a woman who makes $75,000 and does additiona…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 08:07 PM
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Women tend to prioritize emotionally fulfilling jobs, whereas men prioritize income. Reading comprehension is important. The stats you cite do not rebut the core claim here.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 07:59 PM
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So women are bad guys for nor wanting a relationship dynamic that makes them resentful and pissed off? They're bad for getting pissed off when they refuse to value the types of sacrifices men typically makes, and evaluates inputs to the relationship solely in the terms they want. And I break up because I'm. Not happy, suddenly I'm the bad guy? Yes. You're looking at someone and judging them exclusively based off of time, which is not the only way to contribute to a relationship. You are devaluin…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 07:56 PM
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If your partner gives up something valuable to help both of you out, then is that equal to them not giving up something valuable to help both of you out, even if the net assistance is the same? I don't want everyone to suffer, I just think that when people put themselves in a position of deprioritizing their own emotional fulfillment that should represent contribution in and of itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 07:49 PM
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why is that I'm the bad guy for not wanting that? Because you aren't putting in more effort, you're putting in the same. If men want that dynamic they're welcome to it. Don't be surprised if the woman leaves or is resentful though. And why shouldn't men be resentful if women don't acknowledge what they're doing to contribute? Viewing things this way privileges women's way of doing things (chasing emotional fulfillment at work) over men's way of doing things. Especially since men do what they do …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 06:05 PM
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Does that mean anything he makes is more valuable than what I make???? It means that you need to consider and weigh that when it comes to what is considered the amount contributed to the relationship. If Alice and Bob combine finances, and Alice loves her job and Bob hates his, and they both earn the same amount, then would you consider it fair for Bob to say to Alice, "You spend all day off doing something you enjoy, I spend all day doing something that I find draining, I think you should do mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 04:54 PM
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No, just that when you're thinking about "things done for the couple", income is a value add and should be considered as such (although with diminishing returns as the total income of the lower earning spouse increases).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 04:43 PM
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Is this the loophole men use? Are you saying that if my work pays more but I find it fulfilling and your work pays less and is just a paycheck, that your time is more valuable than mine and therefore you should do less housework? No. I am not saying emotional fulfillment is negative value, but that when you trade that against economic value (which isn't always something all people have to pick between), then you cannot count it equally to someone who prioritized economic value in a relationship.…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 04:42 PM
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I'm on reddit, I'm a software engineer.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 03:17 PM
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The problem with this is that you're glossing over what "social skills" consist of. The social skills needed for successful dating as a man are very distinct from the social skills needed to just make friends. I also think that the red pill is generally not the idea that social skills don't matter and nothing can improve your position, but that rather sociability is something that is independent of personality and is able to be improved / developed along specific systematic lines. For example: A…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 03:14 PM
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Plenty of women work full time Women tend to prioritize emotionally fulfilling jobs, whereas men prioritize income. Time you spend at a job you chose for your own emotional fulfillment, but that contributes less than my job which I chose for a paycheck, is fundamentally less valuable. yet also still assume the majority of all household and childcare responsibilities, purely because that was their parents dynamic, and their grandparents dynamic, etc. I have yet to see good hard data on the exact …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 03:06 PM
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My parents would never agree that any woman I picked would be an angel, but I definitely got a lot more "how to treat a woman right" than anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 03:01 PM
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this may be correct actually. noting that more violence occurs in a given population isn't necessarily indicative of saying that it is due inherent characteristics of said population. What if a population actually does have a inherent characteristic that is different that predisposes them to overall more violent behavior? Is it -ist to suggest even the possibility of such a thing existing? The use of "erroneous" in the first description did a lot of heavy lifting. carry that again to the point o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/24 02:12 PM
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Except it isn't the default scenario where someone has told you / assured you that they are going to not do that. If a woman says she is going to abort, the assumption is she is going to do that, just like in your murder example. The choice to determine the final outcome still lies with somebody else, and in taking their action or inaction, they assume responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 10:34 PM
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See, I find it frustrating more because women answer without knowing the stats, then try to find stats that support their answer. It is a bald-faced expression of prejudicial thinking. Even thinking about it just in terms of risk of harm makes no sense, because there is a non-zero chance that the man provides help or assistance in some way, which a bear will never do.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 02:24 PM
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Like bruh it’s a girl just hold her arms lmao. This sounds like somebody who has never been in any sort of fight. Men and women are different. They can use guys bathrooms all they want, who gives a shit. A guy can’t use a girls bathroom because that’s weird af., power dynamic, rape, etc. We. Are. Different. How is it a "power dynamic" to be just in the bathroom? If a man wanted to rape a woman in the bathroom, violating a very serious taboo, how does enforcing a much less strict taboo stop him?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 02:21 PM
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we only speak to rich liberal university students This is not a problem for a study's rigor, it is a problem for the generalizability only. münecat spends some time pointing out how folks erroneously graph on to skin color suppositions of traits, because skin color is an obvious characteristic which we can, erroneously, use to explain some less obvious trait. That’s called racism. So as long as I don't jump to "explaining" the trait, but just "associate" the trait, then it isn't racism? This see…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/05/24 01:53 PM
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Heya, I hope I didn't chase you away. I have a life. Choosing to control your own fertility may be the biggest choice you make in your life. Which is something that men have relatively limited control over compared to women. society has often struggled with how to provide for the immense needs of children This isn't really about how to provide for kids, it is about how we assign legal paternity. Abusing the system of assignment of legal paternity to take care of kids is, well, an abuse of the sy…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 01:15 PM
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Okay, so if I hand a surgeon a scalpel for performing a surgery, and that surgeon then stabs the patient and kills them, intentionally, am I responsible for murder? The fact that the other person had a later decision, even if I "enabled" that decision, doesn't make me responsible so long as it was clear that wasn't the plan.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 01:07 PM
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It is indeed unfair although humans don't arbitrarily pick a man as the father; biology does this. We do arbitrarily pick a man as the legal father. There is no reason both or neither of these men could be held responsible for child support. We also don't choose to assign any legally responsible father for a child conceived from sperm donation. Also men who choose to get vasectomies and follow the proper procedure to insure sterility will not become fathers. You do understand that permanent birt…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 01:04 PM
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In family court the idea that men have a much harder time getting custody is believed by a lot of lawyers. Lawyers set expectations for their clients and the people who ask for custody are those who are pre-selected for being more likely to get it. Women are generally going to get custody unless they've done something incredibly fucked up. You're taking a non-representative sample and trying to generalize it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 12:52 PM
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As I mentioned, my country is big on personal responsibility. We do the FAFO thing. A random person hasn't done any FA. The father of a child had sex. But how does having sex imply they were "FA"? Like, if two men both had sex with the same woman shortly after one another, then why do you get to pin it on the bio dad, if they both did equal amounts of FingA? They both exhibited the same decision making, but we're just arbitrarily picking one to have to take "personal responsibility". A natural c…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 02:29 PM
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The exception proves the rule. A state entirely outlawing anonymous donation proves that it is supposed to be anonymous? (Other states allow either option.) It is supposed to be an anonymous process, and is intended to be an anonymous process in the vast majority of cases. It isn't supposed to be anything, and it isn't anonymous a lot of the time. Heck some countries legally require disclosure of the father's name upon the child turning 18 In many parts of the world, laws now require sperm donor…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 02:21 PM
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Because she could change her mind Isn't that a good reason not to make him pay child support in this case, since it is based on an external choice he doesn't control? because female birth control is significantly more taxing on the body (abortion most certainly included) I don't understand the relevancy here. Not to mention, female birth control is way more varied and doesn't negatively impact sex the way condoms do, nor is it all permanent like vasectomy. Women's birth control is just better th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 02:15 PM
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Children take an incredible amount of resources to raise. It is a problem in society. Parents providing for their children is how society usually handles this. Does society guarantee all children will have two parents? Would it be justifiable to draft a random person to stand-in for someone who didn't have a parent, or whose parent couldn't pay child support? From what I understand, some countries collect taxes to support children so less responsibility falls on parents. I live in a country that…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 01:54 PM
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No. There are a million and six reasons, including it being illegal or hard to access in many places why she doesn't have a choice. Okay, so in those places where it isn't illegal. Giving birth is the de facto response that comes from being pregnant, she can potentially intervene but once pregnancy has occurred he is potentially a parent and his responsibility starts. That's why it's his job to ensure he practices prevention if he doesn't want children. Why couldn't his job just be to take a rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 01:47 PM
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That's only if you naively assume that success rate per attempt is the only metric that matters. In the amount of time it takes to get one woman "warm" you can make many more cold approaches. Not only that but these also aren't mutually exclusive, and "cold approaches" include women who are more likely to be interested than someone selected at random. I am in a relationship now, but if you stare / keep looking at me in public, smile when we make eye contact, and have generally "open" body langua…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 01:35 PM
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Okay, then how do you square that with saying: I tend to think that consequences of sex fall so unequally on women that I'm okay with society insisting on this one unfair circumstance for men. How is this different than stabbing the proverbial eye of men (tolerating a societal unfairness) because women happened to be born one-eyed (subject to a biological unfairness)? And sadly men aren't any more rational than women. Then why would changes to child support influence them in the manner you descr…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 01:28 PM
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If Billy is born with one eye, does that justify stabbing out Joe's eye? Biology being unfair isn't grounds for us to inject more unfairness into the situation. Do you think men pull out calculators before having sex? Humans just aren't that rational about their sexual behaviors for this to make a meaningful difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 09:46 AM
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People paying for men to be lack-a-daisy about their contraception is not fair. People aren't paying for men to be lack-a-daisy, they would be paying for the children women choose to bring into the world. The woman got the final choice, that's the entire reason abortion is relevant here. Child support is explicitly not based on "ability to support", but "right to two parents contributions". It doesn't matter if a woman can support a child on her own, she is still entitled to child support. Sperm…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 09:44 AM
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Sperm donation is not supposed to be anonymous. Cali (and potentially other states) have gone through efforts to recognize "informal" sperm donation and Colorado just banned anonymous sperm donation. Not to mention no matter how this "should" work, it obviously can't work this way in a world with cheap and easy access to DNA testing. Nothing stops men from benefiting from sperm donation in some way, but there is no reason such a thing is inherently bad since life isn't a zero sum game. If an adu…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 09:39 AM
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When their lawyers tell them it is worth pursuing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 09:36 AM
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Some bears (even black bears) attack unprovoked. Why aren't you cautious of all bears based on that minority?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 09:26 AM
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Of course zero examples or citations are given. On the point of lack of skepticism I consider this a logical deduction from the question being shitty. On the point of ideological incentive, it is pretty painfully obvious that researchers in this field are ideologically motivated (there are no shortage of interviews with Koss or Lisak where this is readily apparent). On the point of poor reporting and research practice, in a post replication crisis world this is largely considered an endemic part…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 02:48 PM
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Despite what anti-feminists claim, the study did not inherently count drunken or high hook ups as rape. The problem is the questions that ascertain this are generally shitty. Very low quality control on survey questions demonstrates a lack of skepticism on part of the researchers, combined with strong ideological incentive, and poor reporting and research practice, there is a lot of room for researchers to draw bad conclusions. Comes form a 1998 study from the CDC called ''Prevalence, Incidence,…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/24 12:38 PM
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I'm not in circles with women who get up to quite this level of risk-taking, but this speaks to a lot of the dichotomy between IRL and online discussion I see.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 10:44 PM
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The problem is that it isn't just an incentive, but that getting sex is a competition, which creates a race to the bottom. If you think other people are inflating their apparent value by lying, then you not lying is leaving something on the table, and you'll be in a worse position than if nobody lied. E: Not moral still, but this is also often implicit, and women aren't owed you sticking around just because you had sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 04:18 AM
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I'm not entirely sure if men - before this went viral - really knew how much of a common issue it was that women feel unsafe around strange men. Very particular groups of women have been shouting this kind of messaging online for years and years at this point, how do you know about the message penetration here?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 03:58 AM
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I think people online are able to be aggressive in ways they aren't going to be to someone's face 99% of the time. Most people really actually want to get along and even when they disagree are unlikely to be violent (although screaming / shouting is more likely). If anything, simply being in an environment where it is harder to dismiss people will force people to see more eye-to-eye. I live in NYC, if anyone wants to talk in-person about any sort of topic (serious, frivolous, or anything in-betw…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 01:29 AM
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Find me evidence of a major feminist organization admitting they intended the slogan to mean what you claim and I’ll change my mind. Why does it have to be a major feminist organization? Why wouldn't you accept if there were, say, a very prominent left-leaning/feminist-aligned politician who said something to this effect? I strongly disagree with whoever you were speaking to But are you suggesting that no such person could possibly exist? The public already errs on the side of believing other al…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 01:27 AM
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Not with this specific example. It's only a specific small subset of men who are offended. So there is absolutely no chance you are mistaken? It's only a specific small subset of men who are offended. How do you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 01:19 AM
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Well many women feel this way because they have experiences with strange men that have frightened them very much and made them feel unsafe. It seems odd to respond to that with anger at the person with that kind of history. Is it possible that the way someone demonstrates they feel unsafe is inappropriate or otherwise in a disrespectful or stereotyping manner that is reasonable to take offense to? Or that someone says something with that in mind, but doesn't actually express anything close to th…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 01:17 AM
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Both extremes are generally hateful and neurotic. I don't view telling the people who are making a hateful comparison to go get bent to be hateful or neurotic, more just typical "human upset" behavior. "women aren't raped as much as the stats say - they're exaggerating" This is a statistical matter dealing with methodology, not exactly hateful or neurotic IMO (then again, I might be biased here because I think they are obviously correct, and many people do exaggerate) I think a lot of what men a…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 12:51 AM
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What is funny about men expressing offense? How does someone being offended make them more likely to be the "strange man" women fear? Is it possible someone is offended for some reason that has nothing to do with whatever you're implying?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 12:46 AM
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My view is that “believe women” was a flawed and clumsy slogan that has allowed the detractors of women’s social progress to seize upon an obvious but bad faith interpretation of the phrase to try to undermine the whole movement. What would you accept as a falsification of this? Still, everyone with an IQ above 70 is capable of understanding that a two word slogan can’t fully explain an entire concept and all of its nuances. "We're not going to say what we mean, and then get upset if you don't f…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 12:44 PM
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Pretty much
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 04:00 AM
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So likely barely a higher standard than just being average? depending on the distribution you're proposing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 03:47 AM
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“Believe women” is a response to a very long history of women being unbelieved and dismissed when they reported sexual harassment or assault. Heritage got this one dead to rights, with receipts. Is it so hard to accept that people took a slogan seriously, and actually meant what they said? This also ignores that dividing this along lines of "women" as implicitly opposed to "men" is not only grossly inaccurate (would anyone seriously sustain that men are more likely to be believed when they accus…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 03:36 AM
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"When we say vague things you must interpret them in the most positive possible light, accepting all of our priors." "When you say vague things we will interpret them in the harshest possible way and ignore any different priors you may have."
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 03:27 AM
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Sex is generally mutualistic. I'm told women can like it and even feel good during it. Paying for someone's stuff is just parasitic. You don't get anything, you just lose. You don't think this emotionally damages men to deal with this, or to deal with the insane uncertainty that comes from playing the crapshoot of initiating? You said yourself you like to feel like a man wants you, how would it feel if you rarely, if ever, got to feel that? Like you could hit rock bottom, be so desperate you'd b…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 12:26 AM
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Very accurate and correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 03:43 AM
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So then why do so many women here finger men as the problem / profile men, if they don't care about the hows and whys?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 03:42 AM
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It is context-dependent. It can be either.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 12:50 PM
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This assumes it is banter, not disrespect. I was talking about actual disrespect.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 12:44 PM
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Because most men don't care or put up a fuss, they don't tend to take it as an insult at all. The ability to not be "triggered" by provocation and disrespect is seen as desirable in men as well and you're the problem for not dealing with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 11:55 AM
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I always find it kinda interesting how women here are simultaneously: Basically suffering from an anxiety disorder over violent crime Completely ignorant of how crime works beyond "men do it"
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 11:33 AM
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Well as a matter of fact, unshaved intimate parts were very popular among women until about the 1970s-80s until the shaving trend came Okay, so it has been 40 plus years since this last happened? If this is the most recent thing you can think of, then this must be pretty rare, right? Because attraction is complex, and on some level, entirely individual. Based on some level on biology, but also culture, and environmental factors in both early childhood and puberty years. So what do you think we n…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 05:01 PM
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Males try to emulate celebrities or influential figures all the time, and/or buy certain products to live up to a societal ideal. The figures that people emulate, and the ideals they chase, tend to follow a substantially narrower-than-random distribution, which doesn't change very easily without substantial changes in material (non-cultural) factors. Media can determine what people think about, but it cannot make them think a certain way. E.g. when Kanye went off about his weird conspiracy theor…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 04:26 PM
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A generation of women were told doing this would make them more feminine, so they did. E: Do you think that marketing really holds this degree of power? Like, if today a marketing campaign existed that said getting a prince albert piercing was the height of manliness, do you think men would go get that piercing en masse and it would become a cultural touchstone? If so, then why don't we constantly see ultra-successful products that use this method? If not, why is it not possible to do this for o…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 01:45 PM
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This is absolutely typical for a woman. Okay, why do you think it is typical for a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 05:27 AM
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Do you think this is an honest and fair assessment of what is typical for a woman? What percentage of women do you think know someone who became catatonic from being gang raped, for example? Do you think a similar diatribe about a man who, as a boy, was subject to sexual violence (as some boys certainly are), would be particularly enlightening about the typical experience of a man in his life?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 04:53 AM
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If the user was saying "all forms of early education weigh in favor of females over males" (e: as contrasting with "Formal schooling in western countries favors females over males."), then I would agree with you, however, I interpret them to have been discussing just formal schooling, e: which leaves more than enough room for non-schooling related factors, like home environment, to get these results. /u/guppyhunter7777 care to clarify?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 04:40 AM
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Would you mind clarifying your point? If I'm understanding you correctly, the implication here is that since male and female Asian children are putting in equal effort outside of the classroom, then if there is a difference inside of the classroom, the total sum of their educational attainment should be greater for female Asians.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 04:28 AM
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And when some of the shit you filter is the creepiest, most degrading lecherous bullshit the whole process puts a bad taste in your mouth. If you went to a restaurant, with a buffet, and one of the options was a literal pile of dogshit, that you could literally skip past and never think about or have to eat from, would you think that qualifies as being a compelling point when complaining to someone who is food insecure about how "your life isn't that easy"? Like, IDK what to say other than this …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 03:10 AM
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Asian American male children perform equally to Asian American female children in elementary and middle school (unlike whites/other races) They spend a lot of time not learning in classrooms. Source: Went to school with a bunch of Asians, the parents put in a lot of effort. My parents were similar. During summers in elementary schools, with this one friend, every time we got together for a play date we had to do math worksheets together at the start.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 02:37 AM
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There are heuristics within your control that you can use to deal with the problem though. Pick any random 10 messages and pick the best among them, .etc You have a lot of influence over your own situation in this hypothetical, even if it isn't perfectly ideal, compared to sending a bunch of messages and hoping for a response.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 02:41 PM
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I never said men don't ever suffer from mental illness. Violent behavior is not necessarily classed as a form of mental illness. If you have issues with the definitions, as I said in another thread, one can reach out when the DSM-6 task force is announced.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 02:53 AM
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I'm not doubting the official definition of mental illness. I'm doubting that mentally healthy people kill themselves "Mentally healthy" and "mentally ill" are not the only categories. Someone who, after they are divorced, becomes depressive (e: as in fully consistent with the emotional impact of divorce, and exhibits short-term the symptoms associated with depression, not that they end up in a long-term majorly depressive state), is not necessarily credibly "healthy" but also isn't necessarily …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 02:48 AM
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You're free to take up issues of the definition of mental illness with the DSM-6 task force whenever they are selected. That said, I think it is hard to classify someone who commits suicide as a result of an acute stressor in the same class as someone who suffers from anxiety or depression when it comes to overall mental health.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 02:27 AM
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The exact reason why is of relatively low certainty, but could very credibly relate to sex differences in impulsivity. This would explain why recent research tends to find an apparent lack of traditional signifiers of poor mental health in a significant chunk of male suicides (e: this is also further added on to by men's tendency towards substance abuse which seems to interact with this as well).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 02:20 AM
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Can you stop punching holes in strawmen?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 02:09 AM
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No, it isn't. You can survey people outside of checking if they've sought help. When you measure the correlates of mental health, such as resilience, internal locus of control, and rumination men outperform women. There are certainly issues with data collection, this isn't 100% certain, but it is the accepted conclusion for a pretty good set of reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 02:08 AM
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I made a post on another subreddit about mental health in men and women. This isn't true. Men are generally considered notably (but not absolutely or overly dramatically) less prone to mental health issues than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 10:40 PM
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Aha, but you fell into my trap! You see, it matters not for what women were created, but that I was created to take pleasure in women. Game was rigged from the start.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 02:54 AM
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I'd like to hear from Red Pillers who DON'T hate women. Why do you think RP is cultivating this reputation? It is way easier to attribute disagreements about things like dating to hating women than to engage seriously with the idea that things might not be the way you think they are. There is ideological priming behind this and it is a thought-terminating cliche. You cannot generally criticize women without this accusation being flung around. Not only that but since I view the red pill as fundam…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 07:27 PM
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Feminists think misogyny is misogyny This is literally just saying "Nuh, uh". This indicates that you don't actually know what feminists think and are just guessing, and assuming your guess is correct. Or it is a sign of epistemic humility. If you wish to know what feminists actually think, just ask us. Is it not possible that you could hold simultaneously, contradictory ideas, or have ideas that are ill-formed (motte and bailey, .etc)? I'm more than familiar with feminist talking points, it is …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 07:26 PM
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I don't think you addressed the question. It has not been as easy as men doing it. If you're willing to humor me, could you fill out the following table? Fill each cell with a value, 0-100 where 0 means "success is impossible regardless of method" and 100 means "success is guaranteed with no difficulty" (in your personal opinion). Situation Men Women Approaching for a relationship Approaching for a hookup Being Approached for a relationship Being Approached for a hookup
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 02:00 AM
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As a woman you are able to ask out men if you don't like waiting. As a man I cannot get women to ask me out if I don't like asking women out. Do you not see the asymmetry here?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 03:13 PM
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Really? All the definitions i found online seem to suggest so The term comes from the PUA community, specifically Mystery popularized it, people intentionally misunderstood the concept in order to put down PUAs (despite it being something of a controversial and lesser talked about technique). The example I used is literally pulled from a PUA forum (won't link due to possibility of getting flagged/banned but it is trivial to find if you use Google and a site-specific search). If you go to the ear…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/24 02:47 PM
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Its a manipulation tactic called "negging", its when you deliberately chip away at the self-worth of someone to keep them subservient to you. That's not what negging is. Negging stands for "negating" and is about presenting your attraction to someone as ambiguous while starting a conversation and avoid being reflexively rejected or having a straightforward compliment just shrugged off. The goal is more "communicate to a very attractive woman you aren't intimidated" than "destroy the other person…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/24 01:05 PM
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Most people who disagree with things online don't come close to actually understanding the thing they are criticizing. TRP is basically pushing the notion that human beings are predictable and manipulable via rules/systems (not the same as saying you can/should manipulate people). All people believe that to an extent ofc, but the idea is that they push more towards that bent. Personally I've very sympathetic to that view, but there are red pill memes that are off in lala land. That said, anecdot…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/04/24 03:09 AM
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Honestly forgot about it entirely, and life has been busy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 04:13 AM
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I generally don't like Reeves, so I guess I'll respond even though this is old. The idea that it is harder to enter an area where there aren't people who already look like you is commonly asserted but I've yet to see good evidence that this is really a particularly potent factor by itself. This also doesn't track with why certain fields were entered by women and others weren't. Was it really easier to be a female doctor in the 1990s or to be a female software engineer today? Plus also why do we …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/24 07:40 PM
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It is harder for me to wrap my mind around the women who don't watch porn than those who do TBQH.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/24 01:24 AM
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Beyond there being little reason to think this is true, studies show that increased prevalence of women in legislative roles, and the increased prevalence of women's liberties are strongly correlated to more peaceful societies. That's not how correlation works (fails to support your point), and this is packed with the assumption that legislating is the only way behavior is influenced, which is plainly and obviously untrue. These studies also show us that women are more likely to advocate for pea…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/24 09:12 AM
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it seems to me that MRAs are more than willing to let the worst representations of feminism to define the entire movement I don't really think so. There are worse representations than are often shown here. while ignoring the vast majority of grounded and rational feminists I find these rare and elusive. Most self-described feminists are just kinda going with the flow. most of whom can find solid grounds for solidarity with many of the issues that MRAs claim to care about. Sometimes, sometimes no…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/24 07:49 AM
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I think the problem with arguing that there is significant stigma against being submissive which is driving this is that being sexually submissive is much more socially acceptable. Someone expressing a fantasy about being raped, as a fantasy and not a real thing, is way more acceptable than someone expressing a fantasy about raping someone, as a fantasy and not a real thing. This combos with people tending to view men as more of a threat, combined with their relatively more common skew towards d…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 04:10 AM
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If someone just doesn't have a GF right now but has had GFs in the past and does okay with women generally then I wouldn't be very empathetic. If someone had never had a GF, had no clear prospects to getting one, and had been alone for a very long time, then I would understand. Failure is the pathway to success. Having had any partner, or having had someone just express interest in being your partner, is a major step along the path to a good relationship. I think it is easy to minimize the effec…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 12:50 AM
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Do you have any actual evidence of a subpopulation of "child free" vs "childless" women existing with happiness data attached? what these studies finding childfree women are happier are saying is not that women as a whole are happier without relationships and children, but that when looking at the demographics of people currently without kids and relationships, that out of all groups of people that fall under that title, Women who purposely CHOOSE not to have children and/or are the happiest dem…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 03:22 PM
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that it isn’t hypergamous It definitely isn't hypergamous. Hypergamy is specifically about social standing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 02:53 PM
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The implications of "king of the castle" are much more vague. I've anecdotally heard it only really used to assert that a man has a certain responsibility (fixing stuff around the house, treating a woman "like a queen", .etc) than as a way of putting a man on a pedestal.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 03:48 AM
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At least in a BDSMy sense among both men and women submissive orientation is more common than dominance orientation. The ratios are just different in that there are more male dominants. Anecdotally this mirrors how I see this type of orientation working even in a more interpersonal context. In general both men and women like other people to be happy, and to follow along with the group. There are some people who are exceptions, and that population skews male.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 02:36 AM
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I was literally taught as a child to remember "the woman is always right" as a pun, in that the woman traditionally should be on your right side, but also as a reference to literally this saying. You can even Google it and find people discussing it. The only thing that might be close would be the well known, “happy wife, happy life” maxim, which is specifically for, obviously, married people who are expected to get along and not fight Yet there is not a parallel saying here for men. If this were…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 02:32 AM
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I understand most men want casual sex but it is unattainable for the majority of men. If advice is meant to actually help men, it should be something most men can actually use. Men till get to take their shot. Your ideal partner shouldn’t be disinterested because you mentioned an important interest in your life, even if it is “nerdy”. And not all of this has to be brought up on the first date, I’m talking about building a relationship in general. I don't know how many people are really on the "h…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 12:26 PM
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Pretty accurate Then I am confused as to how you can say that things like working out are blue pill. The pornification of society is actually one giant top down social experiment Not sure exactly what you're referring to.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 05:03 AM
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This clashes pretty heavily with my interpretation, which, trying to be generous, is basically: Red - Sexual/romantic relationships mostly follow understandable rules which fail to transcend biological/social circumstances. The way people "naturally" form their personalities, .etc is sub-optimal for the formation of sexual/romantic relationships, and for a non-trivial number of people, without conscious and deliberate effort, you may never get a sexual/romantic relationship. Indeed, not only is …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 04:14 AM
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But if most men aren’t capable of having casual sex, why is so much advice focused on this? It is what they want. If going after a relationship you shouldn’t have to worry heavily about how you act. If you’re a nerd, find a woman who’s a nerd. Relationships are dictated more by social norms at the start and more by personal preference later. They are different skillsets and require acting differently. If I acted the way that I do towards my GF now on a first date, she would never have wanted a s…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 04:04 AM
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As someone who doesn't want kids, I've made it known to my GF I would ask for a paternity test as a routine measure, she was fine with it. It really should be normalized because the stakes and fallout are so large, the tests themselves so cheap and easy, and the legal consequences so time-sensitive. It is basically just performing due diligence before signing a contract, I might love (who is almost certainly) my children's mother, but I also owe it to myself to advocate for my self-interest as p…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 03:56 AM
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I think it can be taken further than that. We hear all the time about women, for example, being made uncomfortable by certain things that men do, but that discomfort isn't inherent. If human feelings are subject to social engineering, then why don't we just socially engineer women to feel more comfortable with the types of things that currently causes them discomfort, but is not actually damaging in and of itself? For example, culture at large thinks poorly of men who send dick pics, but they pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 12:53 AM
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The vast majority of people didn't have access to banking and when banking became widespread they could and did open bank accounts (there are even women who ran banks), women could and did get jobs, and had women's groups which were politically influential. There are also vast spans of time and space where the vast majority of men couldn't do any of these things at all and were exposed to The gross inaccuracy aside, how does this justify forcing a man to marry a woman? An individual man doesn't …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 09:49 PM
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I mentioned them further up: Men desiring a virgin, a housewife, .etc
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 09:13 PM
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Okay, so it was fine for men to not marry non-virgins, since they didn't owe marrying them. It wasn't an "issue", right? E:Nobody was being abused or forced to do anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 09:13 PM
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My point is that there is a clear double standard here. We didn't ignore issues women had with dating and relationships, yet people advocate for ignoring the reverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 08:13 PM
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So you owe someone marriage if they'd be impoverished without you?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 08:03 PM
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There was clearly a massive social movement focused on changing attitudes about exactly these things which viewed them as an issue. This isn't about anyone forcing anyone to do anything, it is about societal engineering.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 07:47 PM
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Okay, so men choosing not to want to date or marry women who aren't virgins was never a problem. Clearly it was overstepping to try and engineer men to be more open to this. Same with being okay dating a woman with a better career or who already has kids. Since none of these things are abusive these were never seen as issues. Or does this only apply to when people suggest changing women?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 07:42 PM
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since my memory of her was listening to her twangy pop country crap when I was a little girl. Then we have had very different histories here. They think their opinions are more interesting, but no one else can stand them. Hipsters are a trope for a reason. I at least wouldn't self-identify as a hipster and I can stand their opinions. They tend to think about things more than average, and by the nature of being contrarian they tend to be individually diverse. I have yet to actually meet someone w…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 04:40 PM
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There’s a difference between “negging”, which is a manipulation strategy, and playful banter, which people even do with their friends. Negging isn't particularly manipulative, people who just don't actually know what it is misconstrue it. The goal of negging is to negate her perception of your interest, basically to "not come on so strong" by starting the conversation in a way where it is ambiguous as to if you are hitting on her or not. The goal being to avoid her "reflexively" rejecting you. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 03:55 PM
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I learned about Swift because of Ryan Adams and Isbell’s admiration At no point in my life is this a realistic way of learning about Swift. (Radio, general "buzz") But I’m not a tweed wearing, pork pie hat-topped hipster who makes derogatory noises about anything popular, either. What? But they are in this thread for sure. Some probably have some strong opinions about craft beer, too. I literally don't drink. Trust me, people find hipster critics far more insufferable than bubbly Swift fans. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 02:04 PM
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And my opinion differs from theirs. I'm far more into power metal, pop as a whole isn't my thing and I don't follow celebrity culture much at all. Her songs are vaguely pleasant and just a bit ear wormy, but it is all the same to me. I probably could not pick the instrumental nor lyrics to her songs out of a blinded lineup. I have literally never understood why she is more popular than anyone else. She isn't bad, I just do not see what is special. EDIT: And I also resent that of all celebs, I've…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 10:31 AM
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I don't generally make fun of things to people's faces but these are both things I personally judge pretty heavily. Taylor Swift is incredibly basic and liking her is basically like saying your favorite flavor of ice cream is plain (not even vanilla). She is the essence of commercialized pop. Astrology is straight up magical thinking. Liking both of those things together is very common, and definitely plays to a certain stereotype. Why on earth would you insult my personal interests? Especially …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 09:52 AM
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I've also seen gay men complain about how straight women sexualize them and many hate it. But do they complain about when gay men do it? My current working theory is that people have a problem with people they don't want to have sex with expressing interest in them. Straight men barely have women ever express interest so they don't feel that repulsion, but straight women get lots of men expressing interest, so they feel it more often.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 09:35 AM
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Coming back to this. The idea of bleeding women is contaminated. Which has its basis in hygiene, not in anything against women or that is particularly irrational. Why women cannot go to the mosque because they are "contaminated"? Islam inherits its emphasis on hygiene in many forms from Judaism, where there are all sorts of rituals around hygiene. Why women cannot talk about it, is not because it's gross. It's because it's immoral. It is treated in a way that is generally reasonably justifiable …
/r/MensRights01/12/23 06:35 AM
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From when I looked at PUA content, this is the type of challenge and reply that was pretty normal to see, for example: "Your homework this weekend is to go out and talk to 5 women who are strangers to you (any age, any attractiveness). Compliment them, ask the time, ask for directions, chat about the weather, whatever, just talk to them."
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 03:58 PM
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Some men who don’t feel confident in what they bring to a relationship in relation to his female partner are going to attempt to sabotage her success. He won’t be supportive, he’ll make odd remarks about her accomplishments and he will show jealousy and envy when someone else brings up her success. This feature of male competitiveness makes it nearly impossible for women to date/marry down. So this is supposing a casual relationship between the two that runs with men instigating problems (e.g. l…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 07:14 PM
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That is why you should not be so certain about it either. If I went through the full epistemic humility song and dance then even every short post I made would be a fucking novel. I am as sure as I can ever be about anything that it is not a norm to send women to menstration huts in the US. Who are you? What is your society? What do you mean by "Our" and "We" I literally told you I'm from the Middle East and live in the Middle East. You are telling me that my speaking English makes me US-based Re…
/r/MensRights09/11/23 01:09 PM
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That is a very strong claim how do you know that? Just because you don't see these things around you doesn't mean they do not exist. Russell's teapot. I am not going to believe a claim without evidence, even though obviously it is technically impossible to prove a negative. Is it possible someone somewhere practices it in some immigrant community? Possible, but that isn't "our society", as much as it is "a transplant of another society". This simply is not a practice we partake in as a society a…
/r/MensRights09/11/23 12:48 PM
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There are tons of weird and fucked up superstitions throughout history. Ones related to menstruation are painfully obviously tied to concern for hygiene without the benefit of the germ theory of disease, modern textiles, or antibiotics. We also don't practice these in our society today, and these practices haven't been a common in the west for at minimum several centuries or possibly even millennia (if ever) which makes this totally irrelevant to the 21st century anglosphere except possibly some…
/r/MensRights09/11/23 12:03 PM
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All men are real Spider-Man. Checkmate mensinists.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/11/23 05:25 PM
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I generally align much more with RP than BP but I don't agree with most of this. 1 - I don't agree with this as a proscriptive for everyone but I do think there is blatant denialism among people that independence isn't inherently good or desirable. There is a lot of emphasis on how being a SAHM can be a dynamic in abuse, but very little emphasis on the immense upsides that also can result where you end up with a high emotional payoff without having to manage a stressful career (and no, the vast …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/23 03:34 PM
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And historically, said upper class indeed mainly consisted of men. It's not so true anymore nowadays This is not even close to true. A queen of lower birth rises to the class of her husband. There are no noble families in history that consisted only of men. Historically men wielded formal power more often than women (in both instances representing a very small portion of all people of their sex), but women directly benefited from their station as well.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/10/23 03:48 PM
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As long as you can transition into quality smalltalk afterwards it is fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 02:59 PM
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A well chosen compliment will definitely get you points, but compliments as a whole make up very little of the type of conversation you need to have.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 02:12 PM
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It can be very hard though because the way many men in the manosphere vent is truly hateful and full of rage against women. Not really, this is more intentionally taken this way because addressing the substance of the complaint is hard, hence why vague generalizations like this are given in the first place. Even the term "manosphere" is something akin to the "middle east" in the sense of trying to describe what is actually a diverse and varied place as if it is entirely monocultural and Saudi Ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 04:04 AM
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"Redpill" wasn't a thing at the time so it was more the PUA/seduction community. It was really a combination of exposure to those ideas and to military school that built up my confidence and ability to have success in dating. The biggest thing was the challenges to put yourself out there and talk to people (and not just women). Beyond that the ability to self-rationalize hitting on women (I am doing her a favor by hitting on her), the self-awareness around things like "oneitis", .etc. Knowledge …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 04:00 AM
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This also just goes into traditionalism pretty easily. TRP is pretty clearly not in alignment with mainstream traditionalism, which abhors things like casual sex entirely. I know I hate when women are just on my dick and obsessed with me as I don't have anything to chase. Speak for yourself As it never really interested me like TRP, incels, trad-pill, etc. THESE however are so fascinating to me. I guarantee you've spent very little actual time engaging with these first hand, but rather just list…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 03:44 AM
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Blue pill means, from my understanding: “red pill is not accurate.” And the whole core of the red pill is that there is like a science to dating. And dating is somehow different then all other human to human social relationships. I think this is exactly backwards. The blue pill is the status quo, the "red pill" is just criticism / rejection of it. There is very little "core" to it besides a repudiation of the idea that dating "will just work out if you are yourself" and similar aphorisms. Dating…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 03:38 AM
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I've mostly given up reddit, with just the occasional glance through a few old subs, but holy crap this article is scary that it was written by someone who ostensibly has input on counter-terrorism policy. Indeed, to search for the killer’s manifesto is now part of the ritual of investigating a massacre, a tradition we might trace back to the Unabomber, the ur-Lost Boy Ted Kaczynski Kaczynski is like the literal opposite of the description of a "lost boy". He was relatively successful and pretty…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/08/23 03:01 PM
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I’m talking overall happiness in life where sex is one factor Third study in the list. Single women absolutely are happier than their married counterparts, but the opposite is true for men This is coming from Paul Dolan when he was trying to sell his book. The only question being researched at this point is "how much happier are married people?" not "are they happier", for a recent example of a study looking at women Among the initially never married, those who became married had lower mortality…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 11:45 PM
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where it’s 86% for lesbians and 65% for hetero women. Even with these figures "times having sex that resulted in orgasm" are still a higher total for hetero women with ~3.7 per month vs ~2.4. You’re also assuming 1 time having sex = 1 orgasm. Very fair. Most of my lesbian friends consider the first merely foreplay. Anecdotes aren't data. The first source I found after a while of looking that actually broke down to a specific number of total orgasms has some pretty obvious sampling issues, and sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 11:26 PM
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No idea what your citation is because at least the first hits on Google seem to refute this. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1743609520308353 Bisexual women were more dissatisfied with their sex life, as compared with heterosexual women (OR: 1.8; 95% CI: 1.3–2.6), as were bisexual men compared with heterosexual men (OR: 2.7; 95% CI: 1.7–4.4). A bisexual or lesbian identity was a robust risk factor for premature orgasm (OR: 2.1; 95% CI: 1.1–3.9 and OR: 8.0; 95% CI: 3.2–20.0…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 04:57 PM
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The problem is that the orgasm gap measures neither of these and these aren't mutually exclusive. Is it better to have sex once a week but always orgasm or three times a week and orgasm twice? Per orgasm gap the once a week is vastly superior, but the three times a week is both more sex and more orgasms. The most popular source of the orgasm gap is this: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25131299/, which shows lesbians having a 20% greater chance of orgasm per sexual encounter. However, while good…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 04:44 PM
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How come lesbians don’t have this issue if all women experience less arousal? This doesn’t even make sense unless you’re trying to ignore the elephant. IIRC most of the studies on this control for amount of sex had which misses that couples consisting of two women tend to have the least sex. Lesbians also don't have to deal with male orgasm cutting off activities, and have hands on experience with the relatively fickle female orgasm.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 10:39 AM
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I've read a lot about the Taliban, and I have yet to see anyone particularly credible make claims like: I heard many more stories of woman being raped and murdered in front of there families for what there husbands did. Especially since this would offend a lot of religious sentiments. Doesn't mean it didn't happen, but I'd honestly attribute this to stories that spread due to how outrageous they are than being emblematic of an MO, which tends to be more kidnapping and/murder of their target or t…
/r/MensRights21/05/23 02:50 PM
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Boys and young men have this habit of conflating being hot with a personality. And this can get them in deep water if the bitch be wild I appreciate the thought, but I assure you that absolutely nobody was thinking that I would ever conflate being hot with a personality, no matter how many times my mom told me I was handsome. This simply isn't what they meant. What they were doing was specifically asserting that looks were not important, or at least relatively low on the list of their priorities…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 04:03 AM
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Sure, jobs have more factors than salary. And people should consider all those factors to look for the job that fits them best. The moment you concede this the entire argument falls apart. Looking at wages alone then is entirely arbitrary. One problem lies in the fact that women are conditioned into those caring roles. And that sets certain expectations either for the profession they full-fill like being a nurse or daycare worker or other stereotypical female-jobs that do not earn much Setting a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/05/23 04:00 AM
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I disagree that this has to do with interpretation of communication in some subtle / indirect way. It was my sisters and my mom who pushed the idea that personality was the most important thing, "well, when you really get to know someone, if they're a great person they will become attractive to you", or otherwise stressed the importance and preemption of personality. Girls I knew, as part of our juvenile arguing, used attraction on the basis of personality as part of a claim to general moral sup…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 03:38 PM
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The biggest one is probably a broader social atomization as a whole, but specific to men are general suspicion of men (people are less friendly/view you as more of a potential risk), lack of male spaces, the rise of video games (and within video games erasure of community and friend-finding incentives and systems, playing games is lonelier than in the past).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/05/23 01:51 PM
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Is it a problem though that people make different amounts? A job has more factors than just salary to it, and it is pretty trivial to show that just earning more by itself doesn't make a set of jobs better (e.g. earning $10K more a year in a job that is much less emotionally fulfilling). Pushing someone to conform their career choices to that which has the highest salary therefore isn't some universal good for that person. Especially when men and women tend to get married and men's higher salary…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/05/23 12:18 PM
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It isn't about the pool of men, it is about the pool of asks relative to the pool of men. A man looking only for a hookup will be less discerning in who he asks and generally needs to sift through more women, whereas a man looking for a relationship will generally be more discerning. If there are 10 men, 5 of whom just want to hook up, and 5 of whom are looking for something more long term, but the 5 looking for hookups each make 20 asks, while the 5 looking for something long term only make 10 …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 12:12 PM
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Of all times a man asks out a woman, a vastly disproportionate number of them are from a man trying to play the field or the numbers game. A man who is looking to invest in a partner will ask far fewer women by comparison. This means the pool of all asks is disproportionately filled by low investment asks compared to the population. Your odds of asking a random man and finding someone higher investment are significantly better. Essentially this would be a bet on your ability to discern low inves…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 03:16 PM
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How coverture worked in practice isn't always clear and very obviously changed over time and was different in different places, and is generally much more of an English thing specifically. Edit: There was also generally, in England, a distinction between beating and "chastisement" of a wife where beating your wife was illegal but chastisement wasn't. Exactly what "chastisement" included then varied over time and space, but it wasn't simply a euphemism for assault (although it often included othe…
/r/MensRights07/05/23 02:01 PM
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Okay so the FBI should definitely be watching all Christians and Muslims then. Oh, and cannot forget socialists and civil rights causes like BLM.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 12:58 PM
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Women aren’t taken seriously about health problems. Women are taken very seriously about health problems, but they tend to be far more worried and come in over more things. There’s no pain treatment for IUD insertions Because most women don't feel a lot of pain, the degree to which topical anesthetic helps is debatable, and keeping costs down is very important for this kind of routine procedure. Doctors have always cared about pain. Most medicine is trial run with men This is only true at the ve…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 11:19 AM
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The study is based on data from two focus groups (n = 4 and n = 5) held with women basketball and volleyball coaches. This is a laughable methodology and sample size for reaching this conclusion. I don't have access to the full paper, but that's a huge stretch, especially given the complete lack of men to use as a comparison example.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 10:57 AM
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What would you suggest the overall ratio is?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 12:54 PM
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I think I misunderstood your comment then. I'm only claiming that whether it consequently invites an open mind or a closed one depends on the context and person. While humans have the odd ability to take literally anything and personally interpret it in literally any way, I do not think someone who really engages with the idea of standpoint theory can say it makes them open minded. The notion that groups of people, based purely on demographic factors, are fundamentally incapable of possessing kn…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/23 12:31 PM
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Ive observed more men being that way over women and I dont get upset myself. How many women have you observed asking out men unambiguously at all? "I have never seen a rich person lash out for nobody giving them money when begging, but I do occasionally see a poor person do so, therefore no rich person would ever lash out if they had to beg."
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 12:04 PM
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The fundamental notion of standpoint epistemology, as I understand it, is basically that there is some sort of common "dominant" structure / knowledge, which everyone understands / experiences. Those that are "outside" this dominant structure experience both what they do outside that domain, as well as what is inside of it. It isn't just the idea that you should be open to differing opinions, which definitely predates standpoint epistemology. Edit: And for clarity, specifically that this dominan…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/23 03:19 PM
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The narcissism described in the metastudy is not colloquial narcissism: "At the same time, narcissism is shown to boost self-esteem, emotional stability and the tendency to emerge as a leader," she says. "By examining gender differences in narcissism, we may be able to explain gender disparities in these important outcomes." The researchers examined more than 355 journal articles, dissertations, manuscripts and technical manuals, and studied gender differences in the three aspects of narcissism:…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 12:38 PM
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Modern hunter gatherers are non-representative. We know they didn't generate agriculture as quickly, nor expand/develop as much. Extrapolating from these societies is a form of selection bias. It could be that specialization of labor along gender lines is a result of more strongly seeking efficiency, which leads to greater development. Societies that don't seek these efficiencies as emphatically therefore fail to develop until they interact with another society that does, forcing them to compete…
/r/MensRights16/04/23 04:32 PM
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First, the IAT IMO is pseudoscience, I don't take the results particularly seriously as a measure of actual material bias (much the way that polygraphs can't detect lies, but can detect nervousness). Second, even if we accept the IAT as a serious measure of bias, we're limited by the surveyed populations and their own selections. College undergrads are not representative of the general population. Third, even with a representative population and with the IAT measuring bias, we'd still be unable …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/23 04:36 PM
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These aren't arguments. All around these are just assertions of the definition. While I think the lack of symmetry in the language was adequately explained by another reply, I would also point out how curious it is to me how incredibly married to this particular language people generally are. If the point of this language is to ostensibly help men, and men tend to overwhelmingly take issue with it, then why try to force it through instead of changing the language? I also think, descriptively, it…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 01:15 PM
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While I think you think this comes across as "bashing the women haters" I think it actually comes across as "I struggle with having empathy for people I disagree with". David Schnarch Dead. Very dead. John Gottman Focuses overwhelmingly on marriage and already existing relationships, which isn't what is being asked about. Matthew Fray He does get some attention, it usually isn't very positive. Clearly he is not very convincing to the crowd.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 02:04 PM
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Y'know, I find it interesting how much these groups are defended, when asking for a paternity test generally isn't. These groups are unreliable whereas paternity tests are reliable. Both could be taken as a lack of trust in one's partner Paternity testing early is massively legally important and has fundamental implications for one's life, whereas getting two timed definitely sucks, but not nearly at the same level. These groups are relatively public, paternity testing is private Paternity testi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 01:12 PM
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Dwayne Johnson A roided up wrestler/actor who spouts pinkie-deep aphorisms. David Goggins Who has done some cool stuff, but is just a basic motivational speaker. Nick Kristof A reporter who doesn't really deal with life advice. Terry Crews A football player and actor with typical left-wing views who also doesn't really deal with advice. Lin-Manuel Miranda A songwriter who, get this, doesn't really do life advice. Pedro (edited) Pascal Actor, no life advice Ryan Reynolds Actor, no life advice Bel…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 12:55 PM
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That's probably the best moment, but then there is also this: But I do think the kind of broader point is that absent a really clear set of messages and scripts, men are actually not as likely to be adventurous. The only thing I wonder about, I’m just thinking about this recently, is like, is this a temporary effect? I’ve had a lot of people say to me, well, look, women are basically like immigrants now. They’ve had to fight their way in. They’re fighting for it. They want to be independent. The…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/23 03:25 AM
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The masses have been brainwashed to hate men. I think it is more the masses have been convinced not to care about men as a group. Most people care about the men immediately in their lives, even if filtered in an undesirable way. Most feminists identify as feminists because that's what they are taught. It takes a long time to remove years of brainwashing. I've compared feminism to a religion before, and this is similar to how religions operate. The mental hooks go in deep and don't come out easy,…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/03/23 01:50 PM
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r/menslib comes close to being just that, uplifiting and empowering for all. A focus on selfimprovement instead of wallowing in negative experiences. This road brings way more happiness and life's satisfaction. r/menslib is deep in feminist philosophy and thus ends up being more of a "lack of conflict" instead of "absence of tension" type of "peace".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 01:05 PM
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Literally what started this thread: I've never heard of a single instance where a person had a sex change, then went on to assault women in the bathroom. If anyone has examples, feel free to share. Then when a link that claimed to have an example was posted the response was an accusation of transphobia. The idea that "People are calling it transphobia to point out trans people sometimes act poorly" is then not some straw man, but rather a seemingly highly relevant point, which is even guarded be…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/23 01:55 PM
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The big three: Men have a dress code, which means you must cover your shoulders and legs down to the shin. Head coverings and having a beard are big social pieces, where conservatives don't think they're mandatory, but it is considered a marker of being more westernized to both shave and not cover the head, depending on one's circumstance there can be a lot of social coercion to wear a turban and not shave. There is a list of approved haircuts as well. Iran has compulsory military service starti…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/01/23 02:13 PM
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The question was about Iran, not Afghanistan.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/01/23 01:30 PM
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Not same person you're replying to, but it is very hard for women to naturally build "masculine" looking physiques, especially that you would notice when she is in non-revealing clothes. Think about how much attention Michelle Obama's toned arms got. She obviously does a lot of hard work, but they're just not that big at all for a man's arms, and are not unrealistic for most women to get close to (especially since Michelle is 5' 11" and mid-late 40s early 50s while Obama was president). The only…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/23 01:48 PM
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Is choosing to date someone or not inherently a statement about their value?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 01:31 PM
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TBF those people are gonna be disproportionately available and visible in dating, which is specifically what is being discussed.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 01:25 PM
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I love how unabashed subs like these are in basically just being the left-wing versions of compilation of illegal immigrant crime. The plural of anecdote is not data, and these posts draw from across the entire globe, sometimes even across decades into the past. The incidence being described here is tiny.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 11:56 AM
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In a way it is true, but it kinda misses the point. One's Biology/social setting creates a lot of "unloving" incentives, which we view as morally or ethically wrong, and this results in people acting out in strange ways and warped understandings of reality. Are you unloving because you have a biological incentive to cheat on any future partner? I would guess you would say no, and women are in a similar position. They do have perverse incentives baked into their fundamental biology, but you're no…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/23 11:47 AM
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If that kind of thinking helps him become a better man then it's a good thing but if it leads to him wallowing in self hatred then it's unhealthy. The problem with this is the same reason why religion is bad even if it "inspires someone to be a better person", when your thinking is out of alignment in reality it is inherently more likely to lead to a negative result because something about it doesn't actually correctly model situations, even if the downsides aren't necessarily obvious. Understan…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/23 05:03 AM
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I can agree to that to an extent, but: it was all my own damned fault definitely goes way beyond that
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/23 03:43 AM
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I realised it was all my own damned fault the way I was treated. "Somebody used me but it was all my fault" What kind of self blaming is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/23 01:21 AM
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imo being fuckzoned is way more offensive than friendzoned. “I don’t like you enough to hang out without the added incentive of fulfilling my biological needs” seems a little worse than “hey I love hanging out and having you in my life, I just don’t have romantic feelings for you” Physical attraction is just something you have or not to someone. Everyone is physically attracted to far more people than they have intimate relationships with. At least you get validation that you're attractive and s…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 02:18 PM
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The ratio of bitches to men actually feeling inadequate is like 1000:1 (probably somewhat hyperbole). I'd say it is much more common that women have unchecked aggression that is let slide because they're women, which is intimidating because there is no good way to deal with it as a man. There are guys who don't think they have a chance (because they're shorter than the woman, earn less, .etc), but that's not "being intimidated" any more than thinking a woman is out of your league is "being intim…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 12:52 PM
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Humans in aggregate are not very logical, no matter their race/sex/creed/.etc. I would say women generally assign emotional management and comfort a higher value than men do. That's not inherently worse or better nor necessarily illogical in and of itself. As a whole to scam people you have to target what they want. Men often want sex, so they often get scammed with sex. Women often want flexible jobs, so they get scammed with MLMs. On the whole, it probably comes down to how one defines a scam.…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 03:43 PM
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Just like how the Nazis blamed the Jews because the Jews suppressed them? Just because there is a meme of suppression doesn't make it actually accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 03:54 AM
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Because "best interest of the child standard" generally comes from the court, not the child's own advocacy (since they cannot self advocate). It basically boils down to the court getting to be arbitrary and grossly unfair to other parties, so long as they think it helps the child. In reality there are at least three parties, and while the child's interests are very important, fairness is also owed to the parents, and the court shouldn't speculate on best interests of the child if it can at all b…
/r/MensRights30/12/22 02:57 PM
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I think this entire topic of conversation is a shitshow because "toxic masculinity" is a massive motte and bailey. When challenged it is generally used to mean basically "male gender roles which are bad for the individual and put on them by society/others", but when used in the wild generally means more like "a man who is being anti-social". So in theory a man who doesn't express sadness is included, in practice it is used to describe aggressive people, and in doing so is used to shift the conve…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 02:11 PM
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There is literally zero medical evidence that shows that stretching and steroid creams reliably cure phimosis in adult males. It has been shown to be effective in boys with physiological phimosis, but not adult men with pathological phimosis. Physiological phimosis is a result of normal anatomy, there isn't any reason to run a research study on treating it, since it will resolve on its own. You leave off the very obvious group of "boys who have pathological phimosis" from this statement. It does…
/r/MensRights18/12/22 04:42 AM
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To me this seems exceptional, in that the one thing I have extremely consistently heard from women on this topic is being jealous that "men know when they're horny because they have errections". This comment makes sense to me, in that it is how I projected horny feelings on to women. It still baffles my mind how one could be horny and not know it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 11:46 PM
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This is a tiny effect in the US though: If we posit a hypothetical “norm” of 105 for the “natural” SRB for foreign-born mothers, the data in Table 1 would imply over 1,700 “missing” births of newborn girls between 2014 and 2018 among third and higher-parity deliveries for foreign-born mothers of Indian ethnicity. By the same token: such calculations would hypothesize over 6,700 “missing” newborn American girls to foreign-born, Chinese mothers between 2014 and 2018 (summing all birth orders). By …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 02:17 PM
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This is part of the core reasons why I dislike a lot of interpretations about issues of society these days. They focus too much on specific manifestations and attacking those rather than addressing the modes of thought which give rise to that result.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 05:09 AM
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My dad was a workaholic who had shit people skills. It took a combination of life experience, military school, and some parts of PUA philosophy to make me the man I am today.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 02:07 AM
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I don't think it is fair to say they are all exploiting it. The reality is that there was a way, within a traditional framework, to build a positive sense of identity as a man. Sharing that with the world isn't exploitive of those who, in the modern day, struggle to build a positive sense of identity. Then again, not all conservatives are tradcons. Even among conservatives who are more socially open, there is still a general sense that qualities associated with men aren't inherently bad. Someone…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/11/22 03:19 PM
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"you are more at fault for what happened than the person who did it to you". Who says this though? I think the problem is that descriptively "victim blaming" is thrown around pretty much anytime you mention anything that a victim or possible victim could have done or could do differently which might reduce their chances of having been / being victimized.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/11/22 08:50 PM
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“Much of this harassment was fueled by disinformation, misogyny, biphobia and a monetized social media environment where a woman’s allegations of domestic violence and sexual assault were mocked for entertainment,” the letter said. They clearly mischaracterize what happened. Amber didn't have her allegations mocked due to social media being monetized, she got mocked because she lied about things, got caught in her lie, and then floundered responding to that. Hell, I don't even think Depp is an a…
/r/MensRights17/11/22 11:49 AM
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If you ever choose to have children, don't cut off any parts of any penises they might have. In general, as always, try to stick to neutral principles regardless of who you are dealing with and view people as individuals, not groups, even when discussing large-scale topics.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/11/22 02:55 AM
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This may very well reflect a difference in culture, I'm more familiar with people and circumcision in the US, where you'll find tons of people who went straight from a questionable diagnosis of phimosis to circumcision, without even knowing other alternative surgeries exist (or that non-surgical options are available).
/r/MensRights11/11/22 12:26 AM
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A dorsal slit might look unusual, but that is not legitimate medical reason to skip to removal of tissue instead. A man cannot reasonable be said to have given informed consent if he was not aware of alternatives, and the decision then to circumcise is not a strictly medical one.
/r/MensRights10/11/22 01:51 PM
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Yeah, poorly worded on my part. If non-surgical methods have failed you can eventually need surgery. A doctor telling you that you need a circumcision instead of a dorsal slit, with the option of a circumcision instead, is essentially always wrong. The least extreme surgical option is preputioplasty, which, if I understand correctly, is not always considered feasible depending on how bad the phimosis is and other specifics, but in a lot of instances is the appropriate surgical option, due to it …
/r/MensRights10/11/22 12:37 PM
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If it was phimosis then there is basically never any reason not to do a dorsal slit instead. The true rate of medically necessary circumcisions is extremely extremely low, doctors just tend to jump straight to circumcision. Edit: For clarity, there are non-surgical options for true phimosis which work most of the time, and are the least invasive treatment available. If those fail you can consider preputalplasty, which, to my understanding, is generally, but not always considered appropriate. If …
/r/MensRights10/11/22 11:37 AM
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If I said women that make false accusations are terrible, it’s not an attack on all women. Except this tweet seems to go far beyond that, and take special joy in treating men like children, and berating specifically them when they do something that the author views as inherently genderized. We talk about "women" in "women who make false accusations", because society tends to overlook the fact that women might possibly be lying and the dynamic that has on accusations, especially of rape and sexua…
/r/MensRights06/11/22 05:11 PM
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Nothing about his videos seem even remotely special, and from the titles a lot seem to be vomiting up the same feminist talking points heard elsewhere.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/22 04:14 PM
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see a ton of this materialist crap in the manosphere Manosphere fails as a category precisely of stuff like this. Not that I actively look at PUA stuff, but they definitely didn't talk about materialism very much at all when I did. MGTOWs trend towards anti-materialism. MRAs don't really talk about it beyond acknowledging men are judged base on it. No, every single one of these guys is letting his value system be determined by what women value. Women want money, muscles, frame, and game and what…
/r/MensRights04/11/22 10:54 AM
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And this is why I don't like "toxic masculinity" and the discussion it generates. Toxicity to the self and third parties are heavily conflated despite being different in a relevant way, and traditional masculinity is flanderized. How many traditionally masculine men really bought into "alpha" stuff? That's very much not mainstream as a way of acting/seeing the world. It is subcultural and has been since it's inception. Atticus Finch is probably the best example of a traditional man that comes to…
/r/MensRights02/11/22 12:34 AM
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/r/MensRights is a very mixed bag, it has highs and lows. There are a lot of different views on things all in one place and what groups are most interested in or get to a thread first tends to result in vastly different discussions. You can write very similar comments in two different, but very similar threads and get two entirely different set of responses and votes. I fail to see their difference from feminist, aside from their focus. Personally, the difference I see is that feminism is more l…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/10/22 02:10 PM
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The "gender pay gap" is a simplification - one that highlights very real issues but can be used to obfiscate broader injustices in capitalism. It is the beginning and end of many a talking point. Well... yeah that is a very real symptom of oppression. If a group is not represented amongst the elite that is a sign that the group faces systemic barriers. No it isn't. We don't arbitrarily determine who is CEO, it does not mean there are barriers to women becoming CEO that there are more men in the …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/08/22 01:37 PM
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Dude. It's not my responsibility to ensure that every man on this sub is fully informed on the scientific and sociological studies that impact this issue. I never said it was your responsibility. Why do you even post then? If it is simply venting then why does talking down about other people, in a way that has nothing to do with what they actually said, make you feel better? That strikes me as a negative way to manage your emotions, although understandable on some level. If you're trying to infl…
/r/MensRights24/06/22 05:25 PM
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It's not my opinion. It's literally a fact. It doesn't matter if something is a fact or not, you have to demonstrate that fact to someone else. That isn't saying it is just your opinion, but you cannot simply say "that's a fact". Studies have shown over and over that developing countries improve when women are given control over their reproductive health. And by linking a study or something you'd separate yourself from just asserting something is a fact, to substantiating that something is a fac…
/r/MensRights24/06/22 05:03 PM
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I didn't see the need to address the part regarding "accountability" That's the entire post. Puritans had affairs and premarital sex. No amount of social control or regulation will change how people have sex. See this is good. It is the start of a point which actually meaningfully responds to OP. It is missing why the lack of change is relevant though. Personally I would add something like "So you end up just punishing people for doing things they're going to do either way. Rather than enacting …
/r/MensRights24/06/22 04:42 PM
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Yes, all ukranian men have the right to control their body, except for when martial law is declared in the country they're citizens off. That law also has limitatjons and exceptions as not all men are required for the war effort under the martial law. After martial law, some men retain the right. This isn't a justification, or any sort of meaningful response though. The law right now also bans abortion. If something simply being the law (in this case martial law), is justification for it, then a…
/r/MensRights24/06/22 04:16 PM
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This is insane. It's not a win for men; you're just delighted that women are being controlled and limited in freedom. Aaaand this is why I hate the abortion discussion. If you read what they said: Maybe Females as well as us Males will start taking accountability for the people we choose to have sexual relationships with now that we can't just hit the delete button because we don't want to take responsibility of the choices we made. It is pretty clear this is an argument about "responsibility"/"…
/r/MensRights24/06/22 04:09 PM
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I think that ignores the stigma around giving children up for adoption, as well as general friction. It is much easier to quietly slink away to get an abortion than to hide an entire pregnancy and delivery. Certainly many will give up the baby, but some will also certainly get stuck with said baby.
/r/MensRights24/06/22 04:02 PM
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Since when were mens reproductive rights threatened? Since ever. Did you never consent to sex? Doesn't matter, you're still responsible for the child. Did you consent to sex, but never in a manner that could result in procreation? Doesn't matter, you're still responsible. Did you consent to sex only under the express understanding that a woman was using birth control? Doesn't matter, you're still responsible. Literally the second that your semen leaves your body you have absolutely no control, c…
/r/MensRights24/06/22 03:57 PM
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I'll support women's right to choose, as much as they support men's right to choose. I think that's more than a bit vengeful and petty. If she has a right to kill the fetus, because she doesn't want to be a mother, I should at least have a right to financially and legally abandon the baby, and not be forced to fatherhood. I, for one, would agree. This is why I find a lot of discussion around abortion even on the pro-choice side needlessly divisive, and where feminists tend to lose me on the issu…
/r/MensRights24/06/22 03:47 PM
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No more killing your wanted child I'll give you that one (of course, not actually considering a fetus a child) No more emotional abuse Don't think this fixes that except in the most extreme of edge cases. no more suicides, lifelong mental illness so several men I think this will cause more suicides and mental illness than it will fix. You'll have circumstances where neither parent wants the child who get stuck with it. men can finally get child support There is no effect / connection here at all…
/r/MensRights24/06/22 03:44 PM
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If you didn't see it, sent via legacy PM, not the new chat feature.
/r/MensRights16/04/22 01:19 AM
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You should follow the sub more, you will catch the pattern. "If you go through enough shit you'll eventually find the pattern of diamonds". The sub's content speaks for itself, the commenters seem to be frothing at the mouth to find a way to attack the posted content, and not open to criticism in even the slightest. This seems like an application of confirmation bias, ignoring when the sub misfires and "finding the pattern" of when it does, eventually, score a real hit. It is very clearly not a …
/r/MensRights15/04/22 08:02 PM
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Looking at the top posts though a lot of them don't make sense though. Top all time makes sense, but like: Second top of all time isn't an example. Third top all time, is just "females" in the title of a post, which doesn't appear to have ever had any text body. So this isn't "Men and Females" materiel. Fourth is just an assertion of ill intent. Fifth is girls vs men which I personally don't think follows the same way. Girl is not to woman the way boy is to man. It varies regionally in the US an…
/r/MensRights15/04/22 05:08 PM
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In the case of, what sounds like you're describing a lobotomy, the generalized good sought is totally valid, in that if the patient was considered capable of consent, then why wouldn't they want to be free of mental illness? The problems, as I understand them, are of the risks being much higher than advertised, and benefit rarely actually being realized. Electroshock therapy for depression should require patient consent, since depressed people can still be fully capable of making decisions about…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/22 06:30 PM
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Like electroshocks or ice pick through the eye procedures? This I would say is more under the "not effective or efficient as a medical treatment", the "wouldn't do it to themselves" is more like getting a specific tattoo, or permanent hair removal. Some adults do these things given the option, but most people don't, and so you wouldn't want to do them to someone without a choice. This is unlike a cleft lip where virtually everybody who has the option of getting it fixed does so (leaving aside th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/22 06:12 PM
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Infant circumcision. It is so blatantly wrong, and unjustifiable, yet doesn't get near enough attention, even in MRA circles. It is allowed for any reason, without need for justification. It isn't an efficient or effective way to achieve any public health goal. We know that adult uncircumcised men do not choose to undergo nor express interest in the procedure of their own accord except in exceptionally rare circumstances or when medically indicated, which creates a massive ethical issue (akin to…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/22 04:51 PM
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As other people have pointed out, there is a lot of nuance, but to me the real issue is when people post online about it. We know at least some of the time the doctor must be right, yet that never gets posted in these same forums. People want to be smug and superior to that totally sexist doctor, but when they're wrong they aren't going to announce that, leading to a massive bias in what someone reading online will see.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/22 01:29 PM
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The issue is that the female genital mutilation is in many cases way more invasive an traumatic. Not only is there a lot less FGC, the most dramatic kinds are rare, just like how there are more dramatic kinds of MGC that are also rare. Indeed, the most invasive and damaging form of genital cutting, castration, is a form of MGC (and is exceedingly rare in the modern day). If there was a thing where they cut off the tip of little boys penises so they wouldn’t “wander off” to other women I would un…
/r/AntiFeminists17/01/22 06:59 PM
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I don't rabidly hate the guy, but he has a tendency to mouth off about things he knows nothing about and people lap it up because he sounds academic. Just listen to some of the Marxist responses to him talking about Marxism. It is pretty obvious that he lacks a basic understanding of Marx. Not that he disagrees with Marx, but that he misrepresents basic aspects of Marxism. For something less controversial look up his claims about DNA and the helix structure showing up in art, or Hitler wanting t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/01/22 02:31 PM
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While it is not the same as having your foreskin. If this causes you this much grief, you could consider climbing the mountain of /r/foreskin_restoration.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/12/21 08:08 PM
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I'm a man. Doesn't mean you aren't upset about the meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen. These jobs aren't closed off to you because you're a man. Except the gulf in opportunity is massive, which is the heart of the matter. To pretend that if there was an industry where women made a fraction of what men made, there wouldn't be a massive feminist uproar, is ridiculous. You don't have the body for it? That's on you, lol. The standard being much, much higher is not on me. I'm pretty normal with a normal BMI.
/r/PussyPassDenied22/09/20 01:04 AM
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You could strip. There are male strippers. Who make a fraction of what female strippers make and are much more competitive positions. As long as you aren't very far outside of conventional beauty standards, you can be a female stripper, but you've gotta be fairly yolked to be a male stripper. Let’s be honest it’s because feeemales. Just because you're upset because meeeeeeeen, doesn't mean everyone is so shallow.
/r/PussyPassDenied21/09/20 11:40 PM
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You guys ever think about who is paying them? That doesn't change anything involved here. I certainly don't pay them, but that doesn't magically mean I could become a stripper. Or do you just get mad because feeemales!!!! I'm not mad. That's just how life is, but to pretend that's not the case is just silly. For reasons entirely beyond my control a quite lucrative career option, especially to push past student loan debt and similar hurdles, is not at all on the table.
/r/PussyPassDenied21/09/20 04:58 PM
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You have to uproot your life, give up your rights, and make relatively little money. That's not the same. Strippers make a lot of money. I would earn $76,800 dollars a year — before taxes — if I worked for six hours a day, four days out of the week, and averaged $400 each night. The truth about stripping is an average of $400 per night is an acceptable number for many exotic dancers. Not good, not bad — acceptable. A four day per week, six-hour shift is the standard: acceptable, if draining. The…
/r/PussyPassDenied21/09/20 04:21 PM
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