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the entire marriage system is based on lack of trust. It fundamentally isn't. I mean it's a lot of things but "I'm trapping you in this contract" is not at all what marriage is. Depending on your perspective it's a legal tool to express to the government how you want your medical & financial decisions to be handled in the event that you can't make those decisions yourself. In practice it also affects things like tax code and insurance, although I'll concede those mostly exist because marriage al…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 04:59 AM
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Ad hom -> forfeit, thanks for playing. Glad you came to my side.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 05:05 AM
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And "hippy-dippy" is just your way to weasel into a no scots argument once you get pushed on specifics. "Hippy dippy liberals are the ones that believe in things which I feel make them hippy dippy".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 09:28 PM
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One of your "red flags" is if someone is liberal like what the fuck are you talking about. This is not a list of red flags these are things YOU think would make a good partner. Maybe if you framed it as a list of "your" red flags fine, but the context of the post is universal red flags that all women should watch out for.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:28 PM
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Are there some cases where Child Care as implemented in the US is bad / has misandrist effects? Yes Is that the majority / are they sufficient evidence it should be disbanded / is child support as a general practice misandrist? No. you assume he doesn't have 50% custody. That's why it almost always ends up being misandry Custody is only one input variable. The other main one is the ability to provide for ones self as determined by prior income. If the wife makes $20k and dad makes $100k, and the…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:25 PM
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misandry is the default, something like "child support should exist" If that's an example of misandry than I guess the conversation ends there. We're too far apart.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:11 PM
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Male victims exist That specific example doesn't really apply, I wouldn't call that persona "victim" per se. They were manipulated but "victim" carries extra weight & connotation that I don't think fit that situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 04:55 AM
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What the fuck man I aint reading all that
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 04:53 AM
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Yeah but what if he's just the normal type of feminist and not the internet troll type of feminist? The "Men and women should be treated with equity" type. The main, common type, not the fringe tumblr edge cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 04:48 AM
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I'm just here to say OP's list of red flags suck and you're stretching the definition of "red flag" when really this is just a list of your personal preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:53 AM
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I figured you're....one of the people I'm referring to, bro. But I mainly refer to guys whose personal views aren't just about staying on code. Believe it or not most liberal men are just actually liberal and not being performative or 'following the rules' If you understand a lot of women have this "we should basically be able to do what we want" mentality Yeah I mean, as a broad statement this is true. Women should be able to do what they want. Obviously if that's murder or some other stupid ed…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:44 AM
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Similar to the "pick me" thing, guys that give way too much attention way too fast and in general are just too charming. They do this for a living and you're just their next plaything.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:41 AM
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My simplest definition for boundary is "Something you do not allow in the relationship". In your example, that's a zero-tolerance boundary for you but I think non zero tolerance boundaries exist i.e. "talking to your ex" might be something that is a boundary but you won't leave them over it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 04:25 AM
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Good luck finding a concrete statement which is both universally agreed to be true and isn't trivial.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 02:08 AM
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It's extremely subjective so I didn't really want to bother with examples. People keep throwing around the term "reasonable" boundary but that is clearly just self referential definition. "Reasonable boundaries are the boundaries which I find reasonable". I think nearly any boundary can be pushed in theory, it matters way way more the manner in which it is pushed & the manner in which it was set.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 02:05 AM
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Wanting is not the same thing as expecting Only you said expecting. You're making a strawman
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 01:52 AM
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So you agree with my thesis?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 12:48 AM
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"If you want something from your partner, and your partner does not want that thing, you are a bad person for continuing to want that thing"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 12:27 AM
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Any concrete statement about relationships is guaranteed to be wrong Any vague statement about relationships is guaranteed to be right. It's a lose lose. Do you want "Erm actually" or "This doesn't claim much" in your responses?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 12:19 AM
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You're being reductive. If a person wants X thing, and their spouse says no X is a boundary, then of course that person would wish that boundary would move. Because they want X thing, as was previously stated. In a healthy situation they wouldn't want their partner to hold the boundary and do X thing anyways, and be in some state of trauma or extreme displeasure. But they certainly would wish the boundary wasn't there in the first place -> they wish their partner also wanted X thing. Wanting you…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 11:05 PM
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I don't just mean "I'll sleep with only him; because I'm monogamous" I mean, in a different relationship you would not do/allow X thing but in your current life do/allow that thing only because it makes your partner happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 11:03 PM
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So you agree with the thesis? I.e. people generally push their boundaries for their spouse
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 10:58 PM
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You specifically said the idea "women will go above and beyond sexually for a guy they really like" is "a fantasy created by losery men" Do you disagree with that now?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 10:05 PM
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Is your stance really that (most) women (generally) don't go out of their way to try to please their men sexually? I'm not really 'on their side' I just think your rebuttle sucks. Being declined a sexual request will of course make the requester feel negatively. You've layered in all this emotional language ("you whore") to strawman their side.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 09:50 PM
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Don't you dare end your post with a CTA question lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 09:06 PM
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I'm anti-ai and all that, I don't oppose this rule That said I haven't noticed AI posts so this is kinda coming out of newhere "I haven't been engaged but I glanced through one day randomly and decided to make up a new rule" just feels icky vibes Idk the post struck a weird nerve even though I agree with the intent.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 09:03 PM
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The thing is, no one cared about your "experience" in highschool. In college it's generally endearing. But within a year or two after college there are only two possibilities You had such glaring flaws that no one was interested in you for 7+ years of peak dating time. Maybe you solved those flaws, or maybe you are just barley covering them. You had no interest in dating during the peak dating & puberty years, which just shows you don't prioritize romance in your life. You may want it badly, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 04:23 PM
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Many men attach their identity & role in life to their image of masculinity, so the feeling of emasculation to them is the feeling of someone taking away their identity & role. On top of that, most men are insecure about how masculine they are/aren't so it hits a sore nerve which can cause emotional outbursts. Similar in effect to telling a mom she's a bad parent, or a young girl she's ugly. It's something they were likely already obsessing over and so you insulting it is a mix of confirmation o…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 05:38 AM
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I'm not in love with OP's specific examples but I strongly agree with this as a general pattern. And it's not 'womens' fault, nor is it mens. There is so much discourse, people are inundated constantly with what men or women should or should not be doing. It's unending. No matter what you do in dating, there is some viral clip of some worm talking about how unimaginably toxic it is. So whenever you ask why a man is or isn't doing something, it's likely because he's been told so many times doing …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 03:55 AM
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smaller than average is a dating death sentence. How small are we talking? The vast majority of women I've been with didn't care about sex as much that statement would imply. It's like 15% of your final grade, and you can still land multiple points if you are just good at the other sex related things, even if your dick is nonfunctional. On top of that, wouldn't this at least require you get to the stage of dating where you are having sex? That means several weeks of dating at a minnimum for most…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 01:34 AM
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That's fine, but OP isn't stating the story literally happened just that the story is part of human history. You're doing the thing my original comment was about.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:53 PM
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The bible IS part of human history. Like it or not the bible had a massive effect on human history. Unless I'm missing something, he never stated Adam&eve story literally happened or that it was relevant to his point.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:39 PM
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I'm not addressing OP's point, I'm just here to say I'm so tired of the illiteracy on this subreddit. Bro clarified in the first damn line that the biblical reference was not meant to serve as proof it actually happened, simply that there is a document describing those events, and that reality is unrelated to if you believe it or occurred or not. Yet half the comments are bitching about it as though OP is here preaching it as gospel.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:23 PM
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The word "nerd" is so overused its essentially meaningless. Broadly speaking, no, women tend to find ""nerds"" attractive because it tends to come along side other desirable traits like intelligence, passion, and a good career in the thing they are nerdy about. That said it's often also used to describe people with aggressively unattractive traits. People that live in their bedrooms gaming all day, not showering, not socializing, not working out, not pursuing interests outside of the 1 thing tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:24 PM
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No, the alternative is for men to not interact with women But that would also make women feel safe
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 03:57 PM
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declining state of affairs of women’s rights/quality of life I mean, are they declining?? Yes the Roe v Wade issue is terrible and a step back but if you look at the last 150 years it's pretty much been a straight line up. One step back does not represent a pattern of "going back", unless you can point out a few other broad things I'm forgetting. From what I see, the status quo is continuing to shift towards a world of gender equity in nearly all ways besides one recent court case loss. declinin…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 05:54 AM
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The male lonliness epidemic is partially fueled by men generally being very poor friends. Most of male culture relies trauma bonding or forced proximity to develop friendships, and when you take those away via things like online culture, remote work, covid, and so on - most men don't have the basic skills to maintain or build friendships. Things like listening to others, checking in on people, being open to new personalities, being able to talk about things that aren't your niche interest, havin…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 04:57 AM
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You used a whole lot of words to contribute very little to your actual claim. It's always considered men responsibility to make women feel safe around them I think it's up to every person to make everyone around them feel safe to a reasonable limit. That will sometimes mean men should take action to make women feel safe. The alternative claim is "It's ok for men to make women feel unsafe", which is a shitty perspective on life.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 04:49 AM
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If we're just throwing around jabs, sure, he has similar social beliefs as old school conservatives. But he is not a true conservative by any reasonable definition of the word.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:23 AM
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I'm a dude but socialized with girls a lot as a highschooler. Not all girls, no. But it's common. Way more common than guy groups. The whole "catty"/"gossipy" stereoptype exists because it is accurate. As an adult I'm friends with a couple female teachers and they claim it doesn't go away as adults; the teachers lounge is primarily an area to go shit talk other teachers behind their back. I always wonder if this is true across all fields, or just female dominated professions, or just professions…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 09:51 PM
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Red/Green flag is simply modern slang for things that have been discussed for decades, previously they would have just said things like "flaw" or something similar. People hiding their flaws has been around for as long as modern courting has been around. Red/Green flag discussion isn't that deep, it's not like these are super deep-cut revelations of their inner thinking, people will literally just say shit like "Ooo he's not good with kids? Red flag". They've been saying the same sentiment for d…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 07:40 PM
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Yeah I mean he isn't
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 02:10 PM
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I didn't sneak something in when I wrote it in a ~500 word post. Men do not fear women like women fear men in dating on the basis of biological differences that make it easier for men to harm us. A feminist would not want either to be harmed and would be in support of either side ensuring they take reasonable measures to accomplish that. Guns, pepper spray, knives, tasers.. More men are more open to casual sex, NSA sex, than women are. Not relevant Women carry risks in sex that men do not. I alr…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 05:29 AM
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... I did address it. But ok. Look up anything about Solanas and it's all wrapped up in qualifiers... "she's remembered as a feminist, but her views do not align with feminism" and so on. It's not inconvenient, you're just pointing out one example that is the subject of my argument. I'm delineating the two, with an articulation of why the two cannot overlap. The existence of people claiming the two overlap is a prerequisite for my argument to justify it's existence.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 05:22 AM
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You are making conflicting claims. First I already addressed my perspective on descriptivism but ignoring that for now, given your claims We should adhere to the definitions that most people mean when speaking Feminism = misandry Then you must agree that most people agree the definition of feminist is valuing men as a lesser gender. Which I think on it's face is false; even if you think that's how it functions in practice, I doubt you'll get many self-identifying feminist to agree to that defini…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 05:14 AM
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99% of misandrists deny it just like 99% of misogynists. I don't waste my time trying to convince someone they aren't feminist when I can't even get them on the same page that their views are misandrist.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 05:07 AM
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I address the scotsman attack in an edit but plausibly you did not see it until after I submitted. Solanas is not a feminist.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 05:06 AM
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Not the target audience, but I'll say at least two of my long term partners made explicit statements that they would be less attracted to me if I was bi. Not because of biphobia per se they just thought it would be 'icky' for their man to 'dominated', take it for what you will. Weather they would actually follow through on that is a different question but I think it's more likely they would than not.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 04:44 AM
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Misandry is an unrelated ideology from feminism. Feminist != misandrist. The fact that they seem to overlap is because misandrists normally identify as feminist but this is an abuse of the term. To that end, it's useful to distinguish between people identifying as feminists and those who are actual feminists. To OP's point, neither of the people you described are actual feminists. You cannot be a feminist and be a misandrists just as you cannot by a misogynist. Feminism is centered on gender equ…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 04:42 AM
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working a job = slavery Anyone that authentically believes this is an idiot. Unless they mean it as 1) a metaphor or 2) indentured servitude which is more defensible but still wrong. slavery = a woman being raped This is also stupid. Slaves were raped on top of a million other terrible things, and expected to stay reasonably compliant around their masters. This is not the same for a person being raped a single time and then having reasonable odds at seeing justice eventually (at least compared t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 04:15 AM
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For actual lived experiences affecting me, a cishet man - it's mostly pretty tame & boring. I'm currently married but we took a break several years back so I weirdly have recent dating experience. (We're together again and everything is great 👍 ) - What are the real challenges you personally face in dating? Mostly finding people that are at least moderately compatible and plausibly interested without just hitting on everyone I see. The first date is by far the hardest part. After that it gets wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 04:04 AM
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Thanks dad
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 02:16 PM
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Being given unequal standards is definitionally discrimination.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 02:13 PM
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That sure is a crazy take. But it's somewhat backed by old school feminism; I.e. as the home maker, you have outsized control over specifically your husband & children. So collectively women control more of society. But for the common consensus is this is wrong because men control law and stuff. This was back pre womens segregation.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 02:13 PM
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Not all positions of power are held by men. Under a patriarchal system they would be I agree on the first part, disagree on the second. For example 1600 England was a patriarchal society but also had a queen. How would I be more harmed by a system where I have more power and authority than by our current system As a proposed logic puzzle, this is trivial. In a ficitonal hunter gatherer society where men had more domestic authority but also had to do 100% of the hunting; they would be at signific…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 02:09 PM
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Please name a right women have that man don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 02:02 PM
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I'm saying it doesn't follow from your own premises. Your assertion that it's logically invalid, is itself invalid. Pervasiveness and degree of harm are separate dimensions; something can be highly pervasive and only slightly harmful (which is my stance on patr.) You may not agree but it definitely passes the propositional logic check don't affect most aspects of society like patriarchy You're just asserting that while clickbait headlines & etc. may be common, it's not omnipresent. I don't disag…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 03:33 AM
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so that you can shift the burden of proof that you took on by making this post My understanding of your comment is that you disagree with point #4, and I'm just reasserting that back to you. Its not shifting burden of proof to clarify your position. BTW, you already accepted burden of proof when you engaged in the post, just as I did when I made it originally. We both have burden of proof. That's what a debate is. To prove your side. You cannot logically describe a system as omnipresent and harm…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 03:21 AM
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Men simply are overrepresented in position of power I mean, this is a partial definition of the patriarchy. A disproportionate possession of power by men. Is your stance that "position of power" in this context only applies to the very powerful such as CEO's? Or do you agree lesser 'powerful' people also tend to be men, such as middle managers and the such I'm not even counting men as over represented in position of wealth, because they all got wives who are automatically equally rich. If a simp…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 02:39 AM
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So in your opinion, the patriarchy + finding a solution is among the most important things we should confront as a society?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 02:36 AM
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I'm willing to bet those women wanted to conform to the gender role because that's what they enjoyed + were attracted to. And that they would oppose all women/men being forced into those roles against their will
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 02:34 AM
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no please
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 02:20 AM
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Well then we're discussing two different things. Cultural patriarchy & Legislative patriarchy. I agree Legislative patriarchy does not exist. My post is about cultural patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 11:16 PM
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It's not ideal because it causes harm, whereas an ideal system would not cause harm
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 11:09 PM
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Some quick examples Suppresses male emotion Restricts employment options for both genders (female, leadership & stem. Male, nursing & arts) Female bodily autonomy being restricted primarily because it is regulated largely by non-females Legislative bias in civil & criminal contexts
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 11:08 PM
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patriarchy is a state of the law Patriarchy does not require any legislation. It could be reinforced by law but it is a cultural concept.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 11:05 PM
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There are many things that people do voluntarily that are not good.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 10:55 PM
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There's a fundamental difference. The two bell curves are offset, yes. Males are slightly stronger, which can be a factor for abuse. The two bell curves overlap significantly more than you are implying. It's not true that all men are stronger than all women. When selecting 'a man' and 'a women' randomly, they will generally be of similar strength. Physical strength is really the lesser variable here. It's much more about willingness to cause harm, predisposition for violence, willingness to put …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 05:01 PM
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No one should be given unchecked power. So technically I agree even though OP clearly has something else in mind
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 02:44 PM
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Confidence can replace competence Lack of confidence will undermine competence. Not that it should be this way; it just is what it is. I say as a confident incompetent engineer who keeps getting promoted simply because I'm willing to state my technical opinions even if they are generally stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 02:43 PM
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unnecessary victimhood in men. Men that have been abused are victims of abuse. Get with the program. You talk like someone that has never been around an abused person or done any research on this subject. Physical difference between men & women are sometimes a factor, yes, but 99% of the time it's a mental thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 02:27 PM
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Pretty disgusting take my guy No one 'deserves' abuse even if they 'could' stop it but choose not to. In the era of guns & pepper spray & 911 & cameras & tasers & so on, all women 'could' stop it too. That doesn't mean they 'deserve' it if they choose to not use these methods. Also just because "men" do something does not mean "a man" deserves to pay the consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 02:19 PM
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This still has the "swap the demo" issue that would tun the statement into something you think is hateful.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 02:15 PM
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I think the olympics are just whatever tf bonnie blue has been doing recently
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 02:08 PM
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I think most men understand this. Reality is, some men do infact need to 'settle'.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 04:58 AM
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I thought comphet meant competitive heterosexuality
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 04:57 AM
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The whole "men are inherently more violent - based on arrest data" thing falls apart when you swap out the demographic.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 02:17 AM
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Do you agree most societies oppressed women historically?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:30 PM
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Above all else they lost because of disease. They were technologically inferior at first but rapidly picked up European guns & other tech because they weren't stupid they were just separated from the rest of the world for thousands of years. They had a marginal resource advantage because they knew the land better + were accustomed to living off of it, while the settlers were highly dependent on resupplies. If you remove plagues as a variable, they likely would have beaten Europeans, or at least …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:26 PM
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I've personally never met someone IRL that calls them self alpha unironically. I feel this group is mostly an online meme and not really something have to deal with in the real world I have met multiple people that call themselves "baddie" / "bitch" (affectionately) / "slut" (affectionately). This group has a 100% hit rate for being an utterly disgusting person once you get to know them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 08:38 PM
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Ad hominem attacks stay winning in some circles.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 06:31 PM
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These specific statements being very common is not the cornerstone of my claim. These are just a few examples of what I am describing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 05:38 PM
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Well I'm not going to go running around trying to find statistics on this. Agree to disagree. I see them often and if you don't then idk, the frequency of these specific comments was not central to my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 05:32 PM
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You're missing the point of my post so idk what to say. We agree on this meta point. Do you agree that statements like the ones I provided are problematic?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 05:28 PM
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These aren't really pro-women as much as pro-human, except maybe the second one given the context.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 05:26 PM
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Please, give your examples of common pro-women takes on reddit then.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 05:23 PM
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Dismissing any critique of well meaning feminists as "That person is just a misogynist" is extremely icky and I'm not going to engage past that. It infact, reinforces my point in an indrect way. Boooooooo be better. 👎 👎
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 05:15 PM
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I think you misread my post. I agree women are just as capable at stem, and I agree that is not a sexist statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 05:13 PM
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I hear your point but I disagree. I.e. Native Americans out numbered Europeans in early America. Oppression does not require a lower number of people. I think it's objectively true women have historically been oppressed in most societies despite being a non-minority, and sometimes being a majority in war times for example. Modern western society is at a minimum debatable, evidenced by it constantly being debated, but I don't think there are many informed opinions claiming women have historically…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 04:47 PM
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I'm mixed because you essentially undercut every point with some version of "Yes, that is true for women, except not really" which from my perspective is just moving the goal post. If you don't agree with the statements as written, fine, then this post is not in reference to your opinions.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 04:45 PM
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I wanted to steer away from statements about the ratio to true feminist vs benevolent sexism in the main body because it's not my point. But if you want to discuss it; my opinion is that around 2/3 of the pro-women statements on reddit have this issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 04:33 PM
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Idk The type of guy that thinks that's an insult, especially for the reasons listed, sound like losers.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 03:32 AM
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I think they vast majority of men like women for things other than sex, and I think that is obvious the vast majority of time. So I reject your thesis. It's only the icky side of dating that is so sex obsessed, and that's the side you hear about more often. But most people want a friend on top of a fuck partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 03:31 AM
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He's asking an earnest question trying to learn more, why be a jerk about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 03:28 AM
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Often yes. I would say the vast majority of abusive people are otherwise very charming & caring. And the abuse never starts until the relationship has already been established, you're right that 99.999% of women would just run away if the guy was hitting her / being manipulative on the first date.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 03:27 AM
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It's not a strawman. Every example they gave they said line-for-line it was equal. Equal pay, roles, duties, status. I
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 03:02 AM
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If A women treat sex as a reward, A men should treat his money as a reward I could agree to that modification. In that scenario both people are being toxic and not operating as a couple, they are operating as a prostitute prime subscription. Broadly, neither men nor women should treat sex nor money as a reward.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 04:15 AM
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That's fine, I don't really understand what's at issue here. Part of OP's claim was that dating is not equal. You agree. They also said everything else is equal but I assume you disagree with that, as do I. So - we're good. Friends? 👀
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 04:10 AM
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Yeah, I agree. Sounds like you agree with OP too, at least that part; dating is not equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 04:02 AM
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But why are you strawmaning them? They didn't say oppression so why ask them to defend that. It's a non-trivial jump to assume they meant they were oppressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 04:01 AM
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This is just a linguistic trick. A provider is a group of attributes that could define a teamember, such as someone that provides the income / majority of the income. You could do the same trick, "Most men aren't looking for a homemaker, they're looking for a teammate". I think it IS true that most women want a provider and they also view that provider as a teammate, and they view their role as a different role on that team.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 03:59 AM
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I'm the husband and I do not do the planning or organizing Frankly I didn't even do it that much during the dating era. Beyond the first couple "Hey want to meet at the park for coffee?" type of interactions it was mostly my girlfriends at the time that planned stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 03:55 AM
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They didn't say it was oppression. They said it wasn't equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 03:54 AM
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They didn't say it was oppression. They said it wasn't equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 03:53 AM
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I don't have much to add other than It's trivially obvious things are not equal across the genders in most facets of life It's trivially obvious that includes dating Someone could have a nuanced conversation about what aspects balance each other out but since that isn't your claim (you just state line-for-line that each thing is equal), I don't really see how anyone could agree with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 03:51 AM
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to be high up in the hierarchy in a patrarchial society. It’s a super safe inference to say that these men have already committed toxic masculinity to other, lower status men in the hierarchy. This is a non-sequitur. Why must a successful person necessarily have done toxic things? I know many people that just did all the normal stuff... went to college, got a good job, make good money and stayed away from drugs/alcohol/bad decisions. They end up living a good healthy life and are viewed as succe…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 02:33 AM
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Have you not heard of sex trafficking?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 11:09 PM
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Yeah the stance "There is no place on earth that treats women as bad as...." is pretty indefensible considering how badly women are treated in some places
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:05 PM
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Then you didn't ready very carefully.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 03:49 PM
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At this point we are just looking at the same facts and coming to different conclusions. We're both looking at the same post with the title "Misandry doesn't exist" My conclusion, some people think misandry doesn't exist Your conclusion, no one thinks misandry doesn't exist So idk man
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 03:49 PM
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And it seems I inspired you to add in that redacted edit at the end of your OP No, I added that minutes after the original post went up
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 03:17 PM
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The pinned mod post on r/evilautism explicitly states Misandry doesn't exist [...] Women hating men is a reaction to Misogyny and generally abuse by men This is not a "yes it exists, but it's more nuanced"-style comment that you are claiming. This is a denial of it's existence followed by a justification of it's existence. The r/venting post doesn't even attempt to make a qualification as far as I can tell and the third point is actually satirizing your position so not really relevant to this co…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 03:14 PM
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Here are just a couple random links I found after searching "Misandry real". It took me 10 seconds. https://np.reddit.com/r/transgendercirclejerk/comments/1kq8n81/saying_misandry_is_real_is_like_saying_you_can_be/ https://np.reddit.com/r/evilautism/comments/1t2odca/misandry_isnt_real_and_the_sub_premise_isnt/ https://np.reddit.com/r/venting/comments/1se5fqp/misandry_isnt_real_and_thats_the_hill_im_dying_on/ It's all over Reddit, and the internet in general. Claiming that no one says it doesn't e…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 03:00 PM
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To be fair, feminism is such a broad philosophy with so many subgroups that you can't really attack it as a whole. That said I fully agree some parts of feminism are actively bad for gender equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 02:53 PM
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Broadly I think men either blame men for the patriarchy, blame both, or deny it's existence. I haven't come across men that think The patriarchy exists Its bad Its mostly enforced by women Maybe some exist but that's far and away the minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 02:52 PM
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Yeah we agree, I don't feel the need to respond to any particular point because they align with what I said. I didn't make a false equivalence, you're just targeting a position I don't hold so there is no need for me to defend someone else's castle.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 02:48 PM
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Misandry exists. Yes. So you agree with my thesis.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 02:33 PM
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I wrote out a "flip to a different demographic" comment and reddit deleted it and gave my account a 'warning' so uuuuuuuh idk man I'm tired.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 02:24 PM
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Someone tell her
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 06:48 AM
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I have engaged in good faith all through this thread. They clearly did not read my post as I explicitly addressed this point in it. It's not my job to read the post for them, it's pretty short and formatted nicely. The reality is they did not engage in good faith and yet you attack me.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 06:42 AM
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Men themselves rarely call out internalised misandry from other men. I agree; but this is changing. Personally I call it out when possible and tried to be vocal about my own life to help counteract that. But I agree with that statement in general. For instance when a father, brother etc tells a girl she needs to be careful around men because they know how men think. I have never resonated with this point. Yes I get the sentiment. But what is this father supposed to do? Go around and tell every m…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 06:09 AM
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I agree with like 20% of what you said. I think reducing men disagreeing with you to just "refusing to listen" or being "too reactionary" is pretty gross, and it rhymes with the way men talked about women through the 90's and 00's (e.g. "too emotional to lead"). I agree the misogyny can have misandrist effects and vis versa, and that reality is relevant when discussing broader issues like Patriarchy, Toxic masculinity and so on. Some people use the language of feminism as a mechanism to attack m…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 06:04 AM
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I mean it was not patronizing it was just full on hateful misogyny. I think you have a nuanced point but you've layered it under so much hate that no one will be able to look past that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 05:55 AM
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Agree women deserve broad protection & maternal leave for them to have children, which most women inherently want to do. Also the easiest stream-lined method to achieve that is to give men equal paternal leave. That is healthier for the family and removes the incentive to hire men for parental leave reasons, and it balances out the 'missing time from work so less promotions' issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 05:36 AM
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Fairly icky my guy
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 05:27 AM
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Read the full post before you get your feelings hurt.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 05:24 AM
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It's misogynistic to imply a woman could not harm a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 05:24 AM
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It doesn't exist. 🤷‍♂️ You sure?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:18 AM
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I described it as innocent. I am prepared to defend the position that having a negative feeling towards a person because they are a male makes that person misandrist, yes. At least in that narrow way, declaring them a full blown "misandrist" feels like calling every dude that looks too long a bisexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:10 AM
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I think "Patriarchy" is a useful word to describe what we seen in society where (especially historically) men were in leadership positions and generally granted more freedoms & rights than women. I don't want to start arguing about whether it exists in the biological sense because that isn't helpful to anyone; we clearly see a structure that looks like patriarchy so why not just call it that. The patriarchy has also had negative effects on men in broad ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:07 AM
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Patriarchy is a factor yes; it enforces misandry & misogyny. that's not oppression, it's just unavoidable fact. Idk man. Do the "swap the sexes" thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:05 AM
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You still have not addressed anything I said. Patriarchy is a factor yes; it enforces misandry & misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:02 AM
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I think me posting this in a debate forum is evidence enough that I do not expect consensus. Feel free to make an argument in defense of your position though, ideally responding to my statements.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 03:56 AM
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Nah I reject this premise. People on both sides are generally more critical of women in my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 11:50 PM
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This is falling into the trap of classifying all women as one group. Some women probably agree with your thesis, others don't and some reject it on the grounds that they enjoy being objectified. I think you're sorta right that low-value objectification is particularly disliked but there's other terms for that; creeped on, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 11:46 PM
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I agree with the logic even though it's mostly a linguistic trick. But I'll double down, no one deserves sex. Even if you do all the right things (attractive, clean, funny, etc) there is no karmic force that you are indebted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 11:44 PM
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Misandry is extremely widely accepted across most online platforms and it's very frustrating when people deny it's existence. Misogyny is also widely accepted but no one denies that. We all know corners of the internet where it thrives. For some reason discussing mens issues in any form makes you a piece of shit. I'm a feminist in the true sense (e.g. equality among sexes) but the online toxicity makes it hard for me to identify with that term, since a bunch of shitty people also use it. I tend …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 11:40 PM
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