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Outside the USA. Maybe church. Depends heavily on the church, of course. Most "churches" are devoted to dispensing goodfeelz and contain your average American woman, just with a heightened feel for AF/BB (due to the soft-peddling of "no sex before marriage" they open their legs only and often to the top alphas at school). You're pretty hosed in the West. Don't look for "quality" women here. Go find an 17 year old Catholic girl from a strict family in Brazil. Not a silver bullet but it's probably…
/r/TheRedPill20/02/15 10:35 PM
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Blue Pillers want men to "just get it" as Rollo would say.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 10:21 PM
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Pragmaticism
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 10:14 PM
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Come on now. There's no reason to be a jackass. No, really, I wasn't trying to be snarky. I do think that's a pretty good BP argument: that traditionalism and/or religiosity props up birthrates and also is opposed to sexual promiscuity in a way that is "artificial" or something. While it may exist in some level in each culture, it obviously is not the primary factor for marriage happiness. But I'm not saying it is. I'm saying that it's a solid cross-cultural preference, only statistically insign…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 10:03 PM
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It's 418 people. You bet I'm going to handwave that away. That is a statistically insignificant number to even attempt to make any generalizations about relationships. But CFPRoflcopter just argued that a smaller sample that supported "blue" intuition on the topic was definitely sufficiently broad. Can you please go correct him?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 09:40 PM
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I'm sure there are MANY blue pill men who don't care a whit about their partner's past experiences. I'd also guess that men who are into cuckoldry, polyamory, etc., also trend "blue." And I'd further guess that there are more "blue" men in the Netherlands than Nigeria. I have no problem with any of these kinks and I have no problem with Western Europeans failing to reproduce. To those that f*ck go the spoils, if you will - W.Europeans (and, I suspect, blues worldwide) just don't have many kids, …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 09:37 PM
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But we don't. We don't have data. Or, more accurately, we don't have usable data. A study done on 418 people shows absolutely nothing. No correlations, no causations, nothing. It is simply some numbers you can look at. Please see other studies posted throughout comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 09:31 PM
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Is there? I'd need a citation for that statement. Please see my other response.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 09:30 PM
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For instance, see this Buss paper: http://homepage.psy.utexas.edu/HomePage/group/busslab/pdffiles/sexdifferencesinhuman.pdf Male preference for chastity is the most variable of all the characteristics, but it exists in some level in each culture sampled. Notice, especially, the cultures/countries where the preference is weakest: WEIRD (western, educated, industrialized, rich, democratic), culturally "progressive" places where acceptance of feminism is high and birthrates are low. I bring up low …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 09:29 PM
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I could list any number of issues with this study. Not double-blind, tiny participant size, too wide of a hypothesis, too many leading questions, that sort of thing. Hypothetically: a study is done that conforms to your desired methodology. The results tend towards the same implication: number of prior partners looks like a serious risk factor in a mate. What would your reaction to that study be? Sure, this study may say something about prior sexual relations and marriage... The only reason we s…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 09:12 PM
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I don't identify as "red" because TRP sub is not a place I like being associated with for a few reasons. Much of it is whiny, much of it is overly negative, and the solutions offered to a variety of issues tend to be overly simplistic and unhelpful. However, my core beliefs on social dynamics/gender issues are pretty red. I tend to think most of these beliefs would simply be common sense in most previous generations. Despite not being a big fan of TRP as a sub, I've never seen anyone on TRP advo…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 09:01 PM
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If I'm thinking pragmatically, I'm seeing studies as this variety as giving some grounding to cultural wisdom from a variety of times and places. "You can't turn a hoe into a housewife" et al. No one is saying that this is a knock down modus ponens on sluttery. No one is saying it is a clear demonstration of a causal connection. What people are saying is - oh, the objective evidence that we DO have seems to suggest that the collective wisdom of the ages has some backing in reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 08:53 PM
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Ok. I'm not Indian so I really don't have any insight on the issue other than this: the behaviors that make you successful with women outside of marriage are generally the same sorts of behaviors that make you successful with your wife inside of marriage. That is: being attractive to women you don't know requires mostly the same behavior as being attractive to women you do know. So, to my mind, there's no reason NOT to expend some effort and improve your game.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 08:07 PM
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I am confused by this capitalization decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 08:01 PM
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Indian Race Troll. Obsessed with being Indian and the perceived hopelessness (for the purposes of dating anywhere but India) of being such.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 07:59 PM
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So first, story time! My friends and I (in this particular situation) are young Indian men on the threshold between boyhood and becoming men. ... American women don't like us very much, so arranged marriage is probably our best option." You will be accused of being IRT. Just warning you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 07:33 PM
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I think something right south of 50% of the BP members here are just trolling. Most BPers here are actually interested in discussing their POV on the issues, though likely not interested in a true exchange of ideas. I think GridreXX (sp), CFRLcopter (sp), etc., are fine examples of blue pill posters who go out of their way to explain their positions and to consider the counterarguments of RPers. So I think the forum is very much colored by the trolling aspect of blue pill, but there's enough rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 05:49 PM
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they do :( This goes to your "trolling" question.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 05:45 PM
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I don't think there are literally "alphas" and "betas." I think it's a convenient shorthand but that an even more useful shorthand is using "alpha/beta" to refer to certain types of behaviors. I'm guessing you respond better to alpha behaviors than beta behaviors. What you're saying doesn't give us adequate description when you state: But whenever anyone has acted super alpha around me, I've only been repulsed and disgusted. I am usually much more attracted to people who intellectually engage me…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 05:07 PM
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However, even some frustrated, struggling guys weren't having an out and out awful time with women in general. Many just had no clue how to close the deal. The toll this takes on struggling guys is clearly pretty hard to communicate, if you don't see why this would count as "an awful time."
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 04:31 PM
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Good post. 1: They are ugly and have to tell it themselves Number one on your list and probably the actual most common reason too. I'd also argue that the looks decline curve for men as they age isn't as sharp. But the problem with this sort of conversation is that we will inevitably use celebrities as points of comparison. Unlike celebrities, average people aren't very good looking (they are, by definition, average). Additionally, the average Western person today is overweight and getting more …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 03:33 PM
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They're all mostly in their mid-to-late 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 03:12 PM
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I was just sorta saying the schizophrenic nature of her posting is what makes HER hard to take seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 10:29 PM
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Well, no. But my desire to get into the asshole discussion is pretty close to zero.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 10:28 PM
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I knew plenty of Nice GuysTM that would call every fit, well-dressed man who's successful with women a douchebag. Extremely common.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 10:19 PM
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This is why no one takes Elitedaily** seriously. FTFY
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 10:16 PM
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but slut shaming - that just boils down to a difference in opinion on what's 'acceptable' for women. Slut shaming primarily happens intra-sexually and it's a way of tearing down another woman's position in a hierarchy. Women are very aware that men prefer not to commit to promiscuous women. They know that a woman being a known "slut" is harmful to their value to men, so it drops them down the female totem pole.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 08:25 PM
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She's the average millennial woman, just with more money.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 07:52 PM
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Of course I can imagine it. It is not, however, believable in the context it was presented: lax bros gang-raping stripper at lax party.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 07:39 PM
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Yes, I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 06:23 PM
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Yeah. I'm agreeing with you, except saying that "attractive in a man" is a concept that means a lot of things in different contexts. Being financially successful is attractive, but not in the same sense that being physically attractive is.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 06:05 PM
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"attractive" means different things in different contexts. I'd make an extremely safe guess that finances are a lot less important for one-night stands than they are for marriages. Being tall, having good facial aesthetics, and exhibiting lots of social dominance will get you short-term laid. Having money shows you can provision. Sex versus support. Bill Gates isn't sexy, Chad Thundercock isn't a good bet as a husband.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 05:51 PM
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Feminists tend to think the "truth" of the matter overshadowed the facts. That is, the "truth" is that Duke was a place of unchecked male privilege, male sexual aggression, and inherent racism and that the fact that the rape never occurred is irrelevant to that larger picture. If anything, the false rape claim was important because it allowed people to peer into the endemic race and gender problems at Duke. And the fact that anyone believed the claim in the first place is evidence that condition…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 05:13 PM
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Thanks, I'm proud of my storytelling abilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 05:02 PM
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http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/2h8cx1/the_problem_that_has_no_name_feminism_has_been/ Did on my old handle.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 04:55 PM
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But that's sort of my point. Regardless of whether or not they should be happier now than they were 100 years ago - they simply are not. And that's interesting and significant. Lena Dunham is the face of the millennial woman: an easy, comfortable life, quick access to resources that would have been unheard of even 20 years ago, overweight because of a surplus of food and a lack of any essential need to move, highly materialistic, facially committed to certain beliefs ------ and obviously miserab…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 04:38 PM
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We're already at below-replacement level. It's inevitable - this would just speed up that process and replace the already-declining populations with more robust ones. The USA is going to be Mexican, Mormon, and black in 200 years; they're the only ones banging enough to sustain this country. They deserve it, the average 1.5-baby-having white couple does not.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 04:24 PM
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Exactly exactly exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 04:21 PM
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It does exist, in my state. It just requires a lot more time and money. If you mean "should no fault divorce be abolished" - I'm not sure. It wouldn't fix the underlying cultural issues. Marriage is broken in the West, making it harder to escape won't fix it. My advice is more individualistic: don't get married. I did, and I'm happy that I did, but it's a really really risky proposition.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 04:21 PM
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A 25 year old white woman in the West has it easier than a 25 year old woman in a poor province in India, yes. The question is: what cultural conditions have contributed to a psychology that construes this relative comfort to be absolute misery? Do they have it "better"? Well, yes and no. I'd rather my daughter grow up happy than comfortable, if faced with that sort of dichotomy. To that extent, I'd forgo the ease of Western living for a more psychologically/spiritually satisfying lifestyle. Of …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 04:14 PM
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The problem for her is that it's rare to find both of these qualities in the same man In the end, women don't WANT both qualities in the same men simultaneously. Romance novels are about taming the alpha - securing the alpha genes, turning him beta... and then the book ends. But life does not, and the biological imperative for a combination of good genes and genetic diversity (that's why the guy is always a stranger/out-of-towner/traveler/etc) raises its head again. I think most red pillers unde…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 04:03 PM
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Agree and disagree. While things are "easier", these are among the unhappiest people on the planet. There's something to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 03:47 PM
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Something similar also applies in reverse: if you side with redpillers as a rule because you adhere to most redpill tenets but just don't like the atmosphere at /r/theredpill, you're still red - and a lot of the guys who self-identify as purple in here also are rather something I'd desribe as "sane/lucid/moderate redpill". Guilty as charged. I think most red core beliefs are correct - in fact, I'd call them obvious in any previous era - but TRP sub is really offputting to me for a variety of rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 03:28 PM
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If there were some way to accurately gauge the results, I'd love to see a comparison between men who choose to "talk with her about it" and men who choose to take typical red pill advice on dead bedrooms. I think "talking about" someone's lack of sexual desire is generally useless, because it's not taking their sexual desire seriously - it's pretending that their lack of sexual interest is insincere or unimportant. TRP as a sub can be a strange place, but I do think typical red pill advice says …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 03:10 PM
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I honestly don't think most men are "impressed" by someone driving a fancy car. Honestly. It just means (1) he could afford a fancy car, and (2) wanted a fancy car. Are you a woman? Serious question.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 10:59 PM
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Partly. Mostly not.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 10:42 PM
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That's how it works in my marriage. My wife goes all out on V-day. I think she (and you) are a little atypical in this regard.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 09:55 PM
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Why do men buy shiny cars To get the attention of women. It's a waste of money, but that's the reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 09:53 PM
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Better safe than sorry. I don't have any illusions about my own importance (more accurately, my lack thereof). But I also don't question the insanity of some of the fanatical "progressives" of TBP that believe they are crusaders in a universal battle between social justice and oppression. In this simplistic schema, it's obvious where someone with views about, say, the role of natural selection in sexual dimorphism and sexual attraction falls; I'm an enemy because I believe certain things to be t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 09:36 PM
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That's why I don't like using the terminology too much. There aren't hard Platonic categories on this; there are just behaviors that tend to be "alpha" and behaviors that tend to be "beta" and behaviors that have nothing at all to do with alpha/beta. One problem with the Manosphere is that a large portion use alpha/beta - which can be very convenient shorthand in describing social dynamics - to simply describe things they thing are good/admirable and bad/undesirable. Most men are buying flowers,…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 09:28 PM
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"My wife doesn't want to have sex with me more than 4 times a year." BP Advice: Deal with it. She's just not feeling sexy enough. She's probably ____. Etc. etc. /r/deadbedrooms etc. etc. Spot on. This is the default advice and it's terrible advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 07:21 PM
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Two, because it is a symbol that you are good enough to be in a caring relationship. Men tend to define success via monetary gains and toys. Women define success through relationships. Women want shiny things because they don't define success as by way material gains? Women account for the majority of consumer spending because they buy more things. It's not just that women buy household goods and groceries more either - women purchase more recreational goods too.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 06:02 PM
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Two answers: 1) Fragile egos. 2) Need for an echo chamber. (2) is endemic to just about every gathering of ideologues. Rachel Maddow, Jon Stewart, Rush Limbaugh, or Bill O' Reilly don't give their intellectual opponents any real space on their shows. Their job is to show their intellectual opponents in the least favorable light possible to keep the echo chamber as clean as possible. People who watch Maddow don't tend to go looking at the works of the most sophisticated conservatives. People who …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 05:26 PM
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I think it's one of the rare areas where even much of TRP would agree that playing it "beta" would actually elicit the best response. Depends on the context. A guy who is casually banging a girl or girls has zero incentive to demonstrate actual increased relationship investment. In fact, I think the best strategy for such a guy is a token, jokey acknowledgment of the rituals by getting the girl or girls ridiculous or inexpensive gifts. Friend of mine just got out of a messy marriage with a terri…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 05:10 PM
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Eh. This would only really make sense if Valentine's Day only recently became a big deal and grew popular after the explosion of social media. VDay has been a holiday of OTT (often materialistic) expressions of "love" for as long as any of us on this board have been alive. Our age of narcissism is several generations old. Mostly co-extensive with the rise of corporate capitalism. But, as I noted, I agree that the root of the thing precedes the narcissism epidemic and Valentines Day itself. It ti…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 05:03 PM
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Narcissism - springing from an indefinite and uncertain sense of self - creates a constant need for affirmation. We live in an age of narcissism. Women (and men) don't know who or what they are and the natural response is infantile narcissism, which requires constant external signs of validation. Instagram/facebook is like a nuclear weapon in this regard - people are beginning to identify more and more with mere images of themselves. Now, flowers and other signs of affection are, in a basic sens…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 04:29 PM
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If you've joined in a group of people saying they are all going their own way, are you really going your own way? Reminds me of Sinatra singing "My Way", written by someone else (yes, I know Anka wrote it from Sinatra's perspective, but the irony is still there). Or it's like saying "Let's all go be hermits together!" I don't have anything against MGTOW, I certainly don't blame any men for avoiding marriage in the West, but it all strikes me as a little weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 04:21 PM
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Great point.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 04:12 PM
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Ah. So if I wanted to really be safe from malicious BPers, the best policy would probably to be delete any potentially controversial posts and then delete the account I suppose. I know this probably doesn't matter, as any enterprising doxxer could just pull up archived copies of the site, etc., and trace things back to my account. However, I think it's at least a tiny bit more protection.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 03:55 PM
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That's what TRP wants to believe, but many of their arguments and theories are based on emotion and feelings. They just rationalize that aspect away in order to appear 'logical' and 'rational'. Right. I get on BPers about moralizing everything - and they are definitely the bigger preachers - but RPers often do it too. The male-cheating v. female-cheating issue is probably the most obvious one here. RPers make a variety of claims about why the impact of male sexual infidelity is not as great on a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 03:53 PM
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Yo, this is all really disconcerting. I know I've deleted an account before, mostly to force myself off of the internet for a while ------ but can someone help me out here and let me know: If I delete my account do all my posts automatically disappear? Or do I need to manually delete them before deleting?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 03:39 PM
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Red pill people on PPD tend to be much less dramatic and whiny than those on TRP. i hardly ever go over to TRP because I think most of the better red pill thinkers on reddit actually post here.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 03:21 PM
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Why do people moralize about porn? And why do so many people feel the need to criticize the aesthetic merits of this thing? It's pornography. "Oh my god, I read MUCH better TRUE BDSM EROTICA that's not nearly as popular!" So what? Why is this so so popular and the "much better true erotica" not? That's what needs to be examined.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/15 09:37 PM
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Last part of rant: the whiny tone of TRP as a sub is a reflection of the fact that even the men that "get it" don't really get it. Women are inherently more valuable in a reproductive sense than men. The fact that somewhere between 40-60% of men in the past actually passed on their genes, compared to 80% of women, is really all you need to know: most men aren't players in the game of life after they die, most women are. "White knighting" and "the pussy pass" and so forth are manifestations of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/15 09:29 PM
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I'm "red pill" and agree that this is a manifestation of the comparative greater value of women/wombs over men/penises. Edit: I think this is sort of the fundamental thing behind the red pill position on 80/20, hypergamy, etc. Sperm is cheap, eggs are expensive. The "average guy" and the "top guy" have two fundamentally different approaches to mating based on this disparity: the former opts for tons of relationship investment, is highly willing to give provisioning, etc. Top guys are higher on s…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/15 09:07 PM
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I think you're wrong, but thank you for explaining your objection
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/15 02:51 PM
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You don't think it's possible for a woman to have a relationship with a put-together, kind, utterly unsexy man? That these sorts of men wind up being marriage fodder precisely because the supply of put together, kind, super-sexy men is highly limited? Or that occasionally women, especially as they become less sexual with age, consciously opt for a man who will likely have fewer extra-relationship sexual opportunities?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/15 02:27 PM
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I don't understand your objection.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/15 04:51 AM
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It's a drive that is easy to ignore. Really?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/15 04:42 AM
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It's a meaningless term that intentionally straddles the line between prescriptive and descriptive.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/15 12:24 AM
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Lol, you should probably downvote me for that. I glazed right over the link and jumped right into the body.
/r/TheRedPill16/02/15 03:16 AM
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You make some good points. I wish you had done so in fewer words. Try to cut the fat off this and then post in as a standalone entry on your blog (that is, start a blog if you don't have one).
/r/TheRedPill16/02/15 03:07 AM
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No one who understands natural selection (as competition for reproductive advantages) would have any issue with this. No scientist could possibly be blinded by some sort of masculine bias towards viewing things as "competition" that would have him/her miss this. HHL explains it perfectly succinctly.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/15 11:14 PM
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Just be yourself, man (/cis-het masculine-identifying personkin). Just be confident. Don't you understand social interaction? Don't be rape-y. That sort of thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/15 11:02 PM
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Physical/playful
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/15 03:22 PM
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Do you think there might be generalized average preferences , or even some commonly-shared minority preferences, that would be useful to know about? Or is it utterly random?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/15 02:00 PM
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Unless you can produce an argument for competition being "more fundamental" than collaboration better than bare assertion, why should anyone take that argument seriously? Natural selection, which produces evolutionary change, is just certain genotypic traits being selected as winners because of the reproductive advantage they manifest in the phenotypes of the organism. It's competition in a sense that we all recognize. We can moralize and say "well competition is MALE and BAD and collaboration i…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/15 01:53 PM
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"Objectification" is universally used as a prescriptive term. It's social sciences jargon that only refers to putatively morally objectionable behavior. Saying "scientists got X wrong" makes sense. Saying they "objectified" X or Y makes sense only if we all agree that we are speaking about ethics. I don't think we are.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/15 04:41 AM
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Evolution IS competition. That's what it is. Again, stop moralizing for one second and observe descriptive facts. Sometimes collaboration is an effective individualistic strategy, but that doesn't somehow transmute the inherently competitive dimension of natural selection into something else.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/15 12:51 AM
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This is moralizing, not science or real criticism of scientific results. Why is it so hard for feminists to separate the prescriptive from the descriptive? Why does everything boil down to preaching?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/15 12:48 AM
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evolutionary theory in its origin and development has drawn upon ideas of hierarchy and competition provided by the social and political environment in which the theory developed and prospered In no uncertain terms: this is literally the only way biology, as a field, makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/15 11:50 PM
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One possible influence is the preference for explanations involving hierarchy and competition: hilarious.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/15 11:46 PM
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The scientific method incorporates masculine features such as the objectification of nature. What does this even mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/15 11:44 PM
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Abrogation of female responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/15 07:47 PM
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Thanks for the really in-depth response. Very interesting. Definitely not for me but I see where you are coming from.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/15 07:46 PM
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http://www.reddit.com/r/polyamory/comments/2v94vv/since_the_partner_with_a_lower_libido_controls/ Like this. As you noted, SJW language abounds. Wife (who already barely sleeps with husband) also actively wants to sleep with someone else. What does he have to gain from this? Is this the normal starting point for "poly" relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/15 02:37 PM
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Wow, thanks for the detailed response. I checked out the poly sub and felt so much pity for literally every guy on there. Many weren't having frequent sex with their own "partner", much less anyone else...all while their "partner" has no problem getting other people. I can see how being extremely handsome and having great game could make it an easier fit, but, if I may: why do it in the first place? Just because you want to bang other women and think it's only fair to let her go get other guys w…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/15 02:27 PM
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I think humans evolved in groupings that were softly monogamous to polygynous. Most HG tribes that were extant for ethnographic research in the 20th century featured some men with multiple wives, some men with one wife, and (obviously) lots of men with no wives. I think most people who are into "polyamory" today are likely the sort of dregs of the sexual marketplace. Kanye West is sort of an apex guy and undoubtedly merely banging lots of women in 2011, when he wrote that song. http://i.imgur.co…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/15 12:34 PM
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Roughly the same amount as men. They cheat because they want to have sex with someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/15 12:26 PM
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I think we're mostly in agreement. If TRP's stance truly is "blaming it all on character", they're ignoring context.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/15 12:21 PM
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Did you read the study?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/15 12:06 AM
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The number of people with gut bacteria that severely alters normal metabolic rates is exceptionally low. Less than 10% of the US population was obese in 1960. It's 33% now. This sharp rise isn't attributable to any mysterious black math; people are more sedentary today but also eat more. Simple/complex carbs matters for nutrient partitioning, etc., but the basics of carb in/carb out, as it applies to weight gain v. weight loss v. weight maintenance, remains unaltered. I don't think fat people ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 11:03 PM
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something about dudes on the internet trying to be classy about women they want to fuck rubs me the wrong way. bwahahaha.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 10:39 PM
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She's definitely attractive. She's an hourglass despite her comparatively high BMI. She has really really elite genetics. If she dropped some weight, she'd be in Kim Kardashian or Betty Brosmer-curvy territory. But the idea is, I think, that she's more "average" than the swimsuit models actually in the magazine because she's got more body fat. I'd disagree. She's much more rare in body type.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 10:27 PM
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You may think a man with 10-15% BF has a higher SMV than a woman with 30-35%, but this is a really just a subjective opinion, if you see evidence that they regularly hook up with each other and are happy, that is the relevaled preference. There are no other ways of judging value. If we are using "SMV" to get at a cross-section of generalized preferences, we can, indeed, say that the 10% BF guy is very very likely higher SMV than the 35% BF woman. http://f.ptcdn.info/013/014/000/1388647284-bfp-o.…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 10:24 PM
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Her "calories burned" changed. TalkToHusband is still correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 10:13 PM
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maybe that's TRP-Reddit cannon, idk. My understanding - and my observation - is that it's about alpha fux beta fux. Romance novels are about taming the alpha - getting the alpha tingles and then harnessing him and making him the devoted hubby. I've never believed that women want to marry a beta who's bold and challenging, or want to one-night-stand an alpha who is forgiving and affectionate. Could be wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 09:14 PM
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I think you're asking whether or not men would ask for apparently contradictory traits in a woman, based on a reply in my "traits" thread. I don't think most men would seek those contradicting traits, no. I also don't think women really want those traits in the same man. I don't think women's optimal strategy is AFAB, as it were.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 08:52 PM
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The Blue Pill, as a sub, is literally there to showcase some of the absurdities that come out of The Red Pill. It's for people who have stumbled across TRP and think to themselves "holy shit...is anyone else seeing this?" I do think that's what people on TBP say, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 08:47 PM
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http://www.urmc.rochester.edu/encyclopedia/content.aspx?ContentTypeID=167&ContentID=testosterone_free
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 07:49 PM
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Do you think maybe the precipitous drop in average serum and free testosterone over the last 50 years has any explanatory role re: the lessened emphasis on gender roles in that time frame?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 07:24 PM
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I'm not doubting there's a stereotype threat. I'm saying there's good reason to skeptically review all research, especially research on hot-topic issues that researchers may have emotional/moral/ideological ties to. Evolution - including evolutionary psychology, for instance - is one good example. Questions about racial IQ differences is another. I know I'd rather believe that ethnic background is irrelevant to IQ, so I try to not let that bias affect how I review the actual data and I try to no…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 07:01 PM
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Do you think that your desires and beliefs color YOUR perception of the research? Sure. That's why I try to be as skeptical as possible of myself. I have no moral commitment to the idea that women are worse at math than men (as someone who is terrible at math, I'm in a pretty glass house here). Conversely, I think many people have a moral/ethical commitment to the idea that women are just as good at math, or that there aren't detectable cognitive differences between men and women, etc. And it's …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 06:43 PM
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Is Hamstronaut a super troll designed to make TBP look bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 06:26 PM
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I would regard this as an unfortunate state of affairs, because I desire to have relationship partners who are women and are also capable decision makers. Do you think this opinion colors your perception of the research on the issue?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 06:20 PM
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As it is, Western feminism and Western MRA have it pretty damn good compared to the rest of the world Good call.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 06:16 PM
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What I will vigorously contest is that any existing evidence supports the claim that "women are emotional problem solvers and men are logical problem solvers," which is just another way of saying "women don't actually care about reality but just about what makes them feel good emotionally, whereas men care about being logical and rational and make decisions on that basis," Fair enough as a stance. Do you think your opinion would change if you modified the "just another way of saying" to somethin…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 06:11 PM
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Unrealistic? Or unlikely? That is - we might expect someone with very few dating options to be (necessarily) highly limited with regards to what expectations are "realistic" for potential mates. A beggar, as it were. We might likewise regard someone with a lot of dating options to have a significantly smaller pool of potential mates that are "unrealistic." A chooser, if you will. For Bob the Office Drone, a swimsuit model is an unrealistic expectation. For Cristiano Ronaldo, this is a pretty rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 06:05 PM
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but going to the other extreme and expecting chastity would be ridiculous. What do you mean ridiculous? I dated 3 girls in my early twenties that were virgins (that is, that said, and I believed, were virgins). Was that ridiculous? If my wife left me tomorrow, I'd probably only get into a long-term relationship with a virgin. Is that bad? Unrealistic? Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 05:55 PM
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16688123 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19318467 These (both available as PDFs if you google) get at the root physical differences here, rather than merely test results which can be explained away by other factors.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 05:47 PM
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I think BP thinking has effected some pretty harmful cultural biases but I haven't been too negatively personally affected by them. I think that's because I grew up in a very traditional/RP family and saw a lot of BP-fluff as silly from the get-go. I think it's fun to discuss and places like this are the best way to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 05:24 PM
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By that, I mean that we live in a society that's constantly shifting our social policy towards egalitarianism and away from social dominance Only by constantly redefining "egalitarianism" such that it fits the status quo/what's clearly next.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 05:15 PM
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Honestly, what strikes you as bitter in what I've posted? I'm trying to look at it in the most neutral light I can, but I still don't see any sour grapes-ism in there. What, exactly, would I be bitter about?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 04:49 PM
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Yes. While not opposed to sex in general, BPers tend to moralize sexuality in a puritanical manner.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 04:43 PM
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No. You just tend to be really preachy people who try to cloak the inherent puritanism in "satire."
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 04:36 PM
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This is obviously the correct answer. Grand slam.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 04:18 PM
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http://meinnaturwissenschaftsblog.blogspot.co.at/2014/08/feminist-activist-women-are.html The sample exhibited significantly more masculine 2D:4D and higher dominance ratings than comparison samples representative of women in general, and these variables were furthermore positively correlated for both hands. The feminist paradox might thus to some extent be explained by biological differences between women in general and the activist women who formulate the feminist agenda.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 04:11 PM
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Both seem like crappy people to me but she seems like a crappy person and a crook. Notice the fear that she'd get negative Reddit responses to this confession. In today's narcissistic age, the confession is expected to not be a cathartic experience wherein one recounts and repents, but where one receives affirmation. Goodfeelz as opposed to badfeelz. There is no serious engagement with the weight of the behavior - there is only the desire to be told "you're good."
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 04:09 PM
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One fascinating thing is how many people - RP and BP - are criticizing the aesthetic merits of 50SoG. That is, they are pretending there is a Platonic "good" for fiction/literature/erotica/porn and saying 50SoG doesn't measure up. This is a wholly silly approach. It's a porn book. I don't watch porno movies any more but if I were analyzing, say, Sasha Gray's immense popularity I wouldn't start off by saying "people like her but they shouldn't because she's a terrible actress and she's objectivel…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 03:49 PM
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BPers claim they are "just making fun of TRP." They are, by and large, moralizers. They're preachers with a preoccupation with sexuality. Things that appear to most people to be ethically neutral - sexual attraction, etc. - strike them as inextricably moral issues. They're a lot like super-conservative Christians in that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 03:38 PM
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Feminists are physically more masculinized than the average woman, on average. I'll post the study if you like. True believing male feminists tend to fit a certain range of physical profiles as well. I'd guess there are certain hormonal facts that underlie these commonalities.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 03:35 PM
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Follow-up questions from the OP: 1) Is Guy #1 or Guy #2 more likely to be the male lead in a romance novel? 2) You learn that the two lists are compilations of descriptors used by friends/acquaintances of Guy #1 and Guy #2. Based purely on this information, who would you guess has more dating options - that is, who is more desired, on average, by women? 3) Who is more likely to be told, by a member of the opposite sex, "you're like a brother to me" ?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 03:30 PM
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I lift a lot (2-3x a week big lifts) and don't have significant amounts of size - because I'm an athlete. By not eating much over maintenance, and keeping weight high/reps low, I'm able to mostly just improve strength (neuromuscular improvements, rather than strictly hypertrophic). It's not an either/or for me. Lifting helps my performance in my sport. I think TRP focuses on lifting because its the quickest way to boost T and transform body type. I prefer it as a supplemental thing and agree tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 10:33 PM
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"inherently fallacious" ?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 10:05 PM
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He hit the gym, hit up every club and bar within walking distance - which isn’t much, because cardio kills gains. Legit lol'd at this. fedora tip to TBP on that line.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 09:51 PM
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I was really only remarking on the idea of "putting others first." I don't put others first (minus my wife and immediate family). I certainly didn't put girlfriends/potential sex partners first. I considered them to have certain desires, just like me, and that they'd act on those desires - I had no moral obligation to them vis a vis dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 09:20 PM
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"Love thy neighbor as yourself." Not more.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 09:08 PM
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Right, and then the thing is: no guy who has a steady booty call NEEDS to do this, because a booty call (almost by definition) is attracted to you already.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 07:24 PM
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This hypothesis only makes sense in the context of group-sanctioned monogamy and owning property. No. It also makes sense re: polygynous relationships, which were incredibly common prior to civilization as we know it. The idea that "owning property" is a recent phenomenon is ridiculous. There are countless ethnographic accounts of H-G groups with individuals who "own property" in a sense we would conventionally understand. It's like claiming "patriarchy didn't exist until the agricultural revolu…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 05:57 PM
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I have a penchant for not indulging the absolutely ridiculous. Shouldn't they be worried about having to provide for multiple potential offspring? "No strings attached." Male preference for female chastity/non-promiscuity is directly related to the threat of having to expend resources and forgo reproductive opportunity. Men who are not already doing so with a particular woman - single guys - naturally feel less threat of doing so. A guy on a one night stand will generally still rather bang the l…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 05:45 PM
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If you have to work that hard to dread game your partner you obviously aren't that great of a catch. A man who truly has options doesn't need to go out of his way to rub it in his SO's face. Perfectly stated. Conscious "dread game" from a man is necessarily only required when it's not unconscious. That's why I think, in practice, most discussions of "dread game" on TRP are implicitly referring to Hail Mary situations: she already does not feel any attraction to you, doesn't have any worry about …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 05:28 PM
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The SMP is a lot happier than culture tells us it is - for the winners. It's a lot unhappier - for the losers. If you're a sexually attractive male, you have female "love" thrown at you and are a chooser. If you're a sexually unattractive male, you are a beggar who doesn't understand what female love feels like.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 05:24 PM
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The best sexual/support strategy for a woman is to redefine whatever SHE is as the preferred option for men. Barring that, it's to make whatever she is as not amongst the most undesired options. A promiscuous woman gains nothing from most men preferring non-promiscuous women for long-term relationships. For other examples, look at the "fat acceptance" movement. The cover for it being made up of 95% women is that "women face unique pressures to be slim" etc etc etc. But that's not what's at the h…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 05:20 PM
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This hypothesis is very weak. You're conflating sex with childbirth. Humans have only been aware that these two things are even related for a very short time relative to evolutionary time scales. No. I find it to be a turn-on to be with a girl who's had lots of sexual adventures. Am I broken? Not "broken" but you're certainly not in the majority (I mean that historically/prehistorically and cross-culturally - not just amongst "old white men" or whatever). It's implicitly a kind of cuckold fetish…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 05:08 PM
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Good call. It's moralizing sexual desire. That's what 3rd wave feminism is about. It's a lot like conservative "criticisms" of homosexual desire in that respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 05:04 PM
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The sexual marketplace isn't the world to me. And for guys who understand the mechanics underlying the sexual marketplace, that marketplace should be significantly easier than for the guys who don't. Blue-pill fantasyland doesn't exist. Women are sexually attracted not to the sensitive schlubs who really care about the girl (a la every single romantic comedy) but to the guys who possess the top combination of looks and social aggressiveness. While there's a hard limit to how much you can improve…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 04:14 PM
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Well, therein lies the emotional paradox within TRP sub: (a) they recognize that women are predictably sexually attracted to males who possess Traits X, Y, and Z (b) but are mad at women that women reject nice guys. Complicating matters further: (c) they also laugh at/feel disdain for nice guys. I regard myself as mostly "red pill" but really try to avoid TRP sub just because of this sort of silliness.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 02:58 PM
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I think TRP (the reddit subforum) is probably filled with so much vitriol for "nice guys" because they are and have been "nice guys." They see their own failings in these guys and they recoil and the recollections. I think in the manosphere writ large there's a pretty wide spectrum of disdain for "nice guys"/betas, ranging from sincere sympathy to absolute disgust.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 02:52 PM
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Thanks for the shout-out. I've been on an internet vacation for quite a while, nice to see this now that I'm halfway-back.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 02:43 PM
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Lol, you think HHL is egocentric by including the satisfaction of male desires as a sine qua non of a successful relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 03:13 PM
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90% of the time I go into a thread, HHL has already said what I want to say. HHL also seems to have the endurance to deal with BP trolls that I lack. You're doing God's work.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/14 05:16 PM
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The BFFBF-phenomenon ("best friends forever's boyfriend"): something I've observed in the past - when women rate male behavior, they usually approve of traits they'd like to see in their friends' (or daughters') partners, not necessarily in their own. They may genuinely keep their fingers crossed for them to find a girlfriend or, if a female friend has a new boyfriend who's like that, compliment her on finding a keeper - they probably just wouldn't want to date him herself. A player, a jock, a b…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/14 02:56 PM
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So there's no "purple debate." That conforms with what I've mostly seen in this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/14 11:35 AM
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What does that even mean? I don't want to live in a world where spouses cheat. I don't want to live in a world where people shoplift. What are you saying?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/14 12:32 PM
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with a beard that could probably gain sentience were there a convenient lightening strike. A triumph in prose. I chuckled aloud. Re: your friend - Yes, he can be saved, but I doubt he'll ever want to be saved. I've got a friend in a similar boat. He does not want to believe his behavior is unattractive and nothing indicating as such ever indicates as such to him. A girl who gets scared off by his initial clinginess (disguised as quirky joviality: posters of infographics about his date he created…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/14 08:28 PM
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That's one of the popular questions, yes. Other questions include: How to make my wife feel respect for me again? How to feel more confident in interpersonal relations? Etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/14 03:22 PM
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TBP is wrong in assuming any morality would come out of it or affect what is said in any way Where did I say that there are no moral implications to any of it? I specifically said I believe the Thermonuclear Option (have an affair, make it known) is morally wrong. I explicitly said that twice here. Raping a woman would arguably be the most effective way to get a girl who is out of your league into bed with you, Do you think that possibly the PUA element of TRP - those who are simply trying to sc…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/14 03:00 PM
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Meh, I see it used as pretty much interchangeably with "personal attack" in popular discourse. Whether that's how people used it initially - in classical rhetoric, in elementary logic, whatever - is a separate question.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/14 02:51 PM
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The fact that you're still not understanding what I'm saying is evidence that bluepillers either fundamentally can't or don't want to get the distinction. TRP is mostly about the most effective means for achieving certain hypothetical imperatives. If one hypothetical imperative was: "I want to rape a woman" than the means to doing so would be something like "First, hide in a dark alley, second..." No one, to my knowledge, has made that a hypothetical imperative in TRP sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/14 02:49 PM
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Strong trolling, 10/10 would read again.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/14 02:13 PM
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The problem is a refusal to consider the strongest possible argument suggested by someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/14 02:10 PM
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I came in to post this. Anyone who doesn't see this is willfully blind.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/14 02:05 PM
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"ad hominem" obviously means different things in different contexts. When we're talking about elementary logic, it refers to the informal fallacy you listed. When we're talking about conversation in general, it can certainly mean a general personal attack.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/14 02:04 PM
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Your response was as good of an endorsement of what I said as I could have hoped for. Let's break it down. Descriptive Statement: The Thermonuclear Option is effective in re-igniting passion and attraction. Prescriptive Statement 1: The Thermonuclear Option is morally acceptable. Prescriptive Statement 2: The Thermonuclear Option is morally unacceptable. Simply stating the Descriptive Statement does not entail an endorsement of Prescriptive Statement 1 or Prescriptive Statement 2. I'm of the opi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/14 01:59 PM
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By sprinting away at a high rate of speed.
/r/TheRedPill22/10/14 07:42 PM
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And sometimes misunderstandings spring from an unconscious tendency to not only fail to treat opponents' statements with maximum charity (construe them in the strongest and most coherent sense possible) but to actually treat them with a maximum lack of charity (construe them in the weakest and least coherent sense possible).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/14 05:43 PM
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Is this a "change my view" type post?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/14 04:51 PM
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One last point: While I agree that, in general, men age a little bit better than women (partly because women reach physical maturity earlier), in the real world most men and women are pretty much equal at equal ages. Maybe there are slightly more Sean Connerys, Brad Pitts, and Roger Sterlings than there are Halle Berrys, Christie Brinkleys, and Sofia Vergaras. But those people - both the men and the women -are incredibly rare. Time can be unkind. Anyone's best bet, male or female, to holding it …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/14 04:30 PM
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I try to avoid evo-psychy stuff. I also try to avoid getting too much into this particular issue, for obvious reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/14 03:10 PM
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TRP offers a variety of sometimes-conflicting theories on (a) how the sexes behave, (b) why the sexes behave as they do, and (c) how to best achieve one's hypothetical imperatives vis a vis romance. Sometimes TRPers - usually frustrated, naïve members - rant about what they believe to be morally incorrect behavior. But most of that sub is not about deciding what behaviors are morally proper. I think TBP, on the other hand, is a sub mostly about moral indignation at TRP's theories.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/14 01:47 PM
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That's a fair point. Obviously, women do not reach an expiration date at 21 - there are, to understate things a bit, plenty of hot 23 year old women. On the flipside, I think most men and women are really invested in the idea that there's parity in sexual attraction, that hetero men and women are roughly attracted to the same numbers of the opposite sex and that this means there will be someone attractive for everyone. That's an understandable emotional investment. Most people want to think some…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/14 01:26 PM
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I think we've again got a confusion of two different things: (a) statements about what "works" and doesn't "work" - statements that at least purport to be descriptive, and (b) statements about what is or isn't morally acceptable So let's take the Thermonuclear Option. In context on the Heartiste post, it actually looks like a piece of over-the-top humor. But if we take it seriously, it's one bit of advice on how to save a relationship that's fallen apart. Have an affair - making the "dread" abso…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/14 01:13 PM
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I agree with the general sentiment of this post. Is Halle Berry a 9/10 or an 8/10? It's not that an answer is hard to find, it's that there's no answer. Halle will be sexually attractive to most men in most places - and she'll probably be more attractive to most men in most places than, for instance, Tilda Swinton or Jennifer Garner or Judi Dench. If all "SMV" reflects is popular appeal, then it's fine to say Halle's SMV is likely higher than Tilda's. But that's not to say there's some real numb…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/14 01:01 PM
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but thanks for the response!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 11:26 PM
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RP teaches that men want sex, women want commitment. No, RP teaches that women want sex with attractive, desired men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 11:25 PM
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Don't you think it's incredibly patronizing to accuse a woman you don't know of being brainwashed simply because she made relationship decisions you disagree with?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 09:35 PM
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Yes, it definitely says that. Which tells us quite a bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 09:02 PM
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So that study doesn't really say much (except that men and women use the rating system differently). That's obviously one interpretation of that data. It is often misinterpreted or misrepresented around Reddit. I do think BPers are prone to downplay the implications, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 08:54 PM
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I'm asking if you have a source, not infotainment.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 08:39 PM
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If guys had pressure the same way (perfect hair cut, fashion sense, well-groomed, keeping body weight in check, maybe even a product to even out skin tone) they would be rated as more attractive in general. Any sources for this?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 08:31 PM
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Sex differences aren't nearly that disparate though. You're joking.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 08:19 PM
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As a white sprinter - no. One (/two if you don't round Woronin's time up) man of European descent has broken 10 seconds in the 100 meter dash. That's compared to nearly 100 men of West African descent. Although Christophe Lemaitre, Adam Gemeli, Matt Shirvington, etc., are all faster than 99.9999999999999% of West Africans everywhere, a random European has a small chance of being faster than a random man of West African descent. Cultural differences matter (Australia, much smaller than the USA, h…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 08:18 PM
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Here's the OkCupid data: http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/your-looks-and-online-dating/ So, no, "averages" aren't at issue here. The medium - the halfway line between 0 and 5 - is there and it's what the "average" would be if there were as many fuggos as there were Adonis'. But the women didn't vote on a bell curve, as the men did: the "average" woman is therefore better looking that the "average" man. This accords with a lot of guys' everyday experiences: women only seem to think a few guys ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 07:32 PM
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I'm asking if "dread game" requires the intention to cause dread. Or is the mere knowledge that it will cause dread, combined with the action, enough? For instance: Jane: Leo, it's going to make me really really jealous and nervous and anxious to see you kissing that Kate girl in the movie, could you refrain from doing it? Maybe get a body double or something? Leo: No, it's my job, and why the hell not? Is that dread game? How about this: Jane Smith: [same as above] Leo: I can't make any promise…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 07:16 PM
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Dear TBP: This claim is usually substantiated by pointing to the OKCupid data. It's generally explained by greater female need for sexual selectivity which, it is said, stems from the increased parental investment in female reproduction (not only in raising kids but by the opportunity cost of 9+ months). There's more besides the OKCupid data, but that's one of the most straightforward demonstrations of the disparity. If you want to discuss the issue, come here and do so. If you want to 'satirize…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 07:12 PM
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That's sort of what I'm asking with the OP. In one of the examples, Leo is dating a woman who we could probably uncontroversially call "Low SMV." So if she sees her boyfriend making out with Kate Beckinsale in a movie, do you think there's going to be an element of dread there? (visual of Kate: http://img005.lazygirls.info/people/kate_beckinsale/kate_beckinsale_kb_aviator_premiere_2004_08_EkWJ37U.sized.jpg) Does Leo have to consciously work to instill this dread for it to be "dread game" ? Or do…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 07:03 PM
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cheating is wrong="except it can be okay sometimes if by a woman...actually he was a bit of a jerk wasn't he...hmm it's not the most moral thing to do but maybe he needed a bit of a lesson...maybe it was OK"-< standard logic I think the more common thing is to just be selective about the cheating you criticize.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 05:16 PM
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BPers would argue that there's no such thing as SMV, that women are not any more attracted to "alphas", and that we cannot generalize about women's actions. I'm sure nearly all would agree that cheating is wrong. If Jezebel justifies cheating, they probably do it indirectly. I don't read it though, so I don't know.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 05:07 PM
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Being successful in short-term or long-term relationships as a result of actions that are consistent with RP theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 04:35 PM
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But I don't feel dread, so I don't understand. Sounds like he should feel dread here. You're communicating to him that you don't care too much if he leaves.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 04:06 PM
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Women pick up on nonverbal social cues much more easily and much more thoroughly. Women are more skilled in communicating indirectly. Women are better at navigating tricky and complex social situations. Women are better liars (I don't mean that negatively; it's a valuable skill). Women are better at multi-tasking. Women are more empathetic, in general. Women are better at recovering from breakups. Women are better at quickly understanding the needs of children. These are some of the more obvious…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 04:04 PM
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Right. That's not to say that two attractive people aren't going to push or surpass boundaries. Crappy people will be crappy people. It's just that they're generally more cognizant of their partners' options. And being aware that your partner has options generally increases your attraction to them (this effect is especially pronounced in women). Women flirt with me in front of my wife sometimes. She bitches about it for a few minutes, never forgets these flirtations ("Remember that red head wait…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 03:58 PM
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False.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 03:46 PM
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There's a large segment of TRP that longs for LTRs but believes that a combination of economic, political, and cultural factors has made most women unqualified as candidates for a LTR. As a result, these guys have (at least outwardly) rejected the notion of a LTR in the West and instead focus on what they see as more realistic goals, like getting laid. Other TRPers, less vocal and obviously not posting pickup-type advice, just work on making their current LTRs work.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 03:41 PM
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Two attractive people are always running implicit dread game on each other. If one member of a couple is viewed as attractive and the other is not, the attractive one is running implicit dread game on the unattractive one, but the unattractive one is not. If both members are unattractive, there is no implicit dread game. Imagine this: It's 2000 and Leonardo DiCaprio begins to date Frumpy McLumpy, a 38 year old overweight woman. It's 1992 and Cindy Crawford begins to date John Doe, a hardworking …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 03:36 PM
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Good call. Thinking about it more, I guess the curve would be a little less extreme.
/r/TheRedPill21/10/14 03:26 PM
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A big part of the red pill selection process seems to be a "put out or get out" way of thinking, which would immediately eliminate cautious women who are more interested in finding a compatible partner for life, as having casual sex with someone isn't as appealing or desirable to a person with this sort of world view. I don't think all RPers view "put out or get out" as the goal. If she's of LTR-appropriate age (18+ in some states, 17+ states, etc.) and she hasn't had casual sex (or a lot of cas…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 03:13 PM
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Free will was my area of specialty in grad school. I think people often define "free will" differently and that leads to a lot of confused "debates."
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 01:31 PM
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No one argues against it but it's often implicitly denied. One big part of TRP is the recognition that there are traits most people are attracted to and that these traits can be studied. The blue pill says "No, you've got no proof of that! That's not sufficient evidence! Everyone's different!" (I know TBP is a "satire sub." I mean the times there's some actual discussion from blue pillers on here.)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 01:30 PM
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I find much more to happy about when I think of life as a becoming, rather than as a being.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/14 09:54 PM
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You get to do absolutely nothing here under the assurance that your girlfriend is going home with you anyways. You don't even need to lift a finger in this situation. I'd probably suggest my girlfriend ride home with someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/14 09:42 PM
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Brad Pitt in 1996 will be sexually attractive to most women, from the suburban princess in the McMansion to the New Guinean hunter-gatherer. He has the looks and the demeanor that is massively appealing to a huge cross section of women. Tyra Banks in 1996 will be sexually attractive to most men, from the crusty old basement dweller in Warsaw to the young farmer in rural China. She has the looks (face, breasts, waist-to-hip ratio, etc) that are massively appealing to a huge cross-section of men. …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/14 09:23 PM
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10/10 username.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/14 08:13 PM
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You will be blasted for spouting off "biotroofs." If you provide a link to a study, you will be told two things: (a) you didn't read the study [because, you will be told, laymen just repeat the headline of a pop-news piece written by a journalist who only read the abstract], it didn't say what you think it says, and/or (b) The study isn't enough; there's a lot of people out there in the world and this one isn't representative. If there are more - same problem. You will respond with something lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/14 08:11 PM
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I had positive male role models, was never terrible with girls, and wasn't taken off-guard by any of the differences between men and women
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/14 01:39 PM
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Rationalization.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/14 01:28 AM
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I always was fairly naturally red pill in beliefs and basic attitudes. I started thinking heavily about gender dynamic stuff when I was about 20, ten years ago. I suppose that's when I became a little more consciously "red pill" as that's understood today. Yes, I became much more successful with women as I understood things better. I think the fact that I never had an "anger phase" helped a lot in that regard.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/14 01:18 AM
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No.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/14 01:05 AM
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Yep. Validation is big, especially for emotional cripples.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/14 01:04 AM
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Nearly everything HHL says is on-point. Women instinctively categorize vulnerability in a non-erotic manner.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/14 05:02 PM
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Nowadays I see some women with tattoos, especially in the "Off Limit Areas" such as the chest, breast, or stomach and even if the girls are gorgeous I'm immediately turned off. Girls with ass tattoos are the absolute worst. That's the most Off Limit of Off Limit, right ahead of the chest.
/r/TheRedPill17/10/14 05:00 PM
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I'd say women who actively like and enjoy being with men who abuse them are stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/14 04:13 PM
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You think sexual preferences can be "stupid"?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/14 04:10 PM
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Well, good thing a lot of women aren't stupid enough to fall for it. This is an infuriatingly patronizing position. Women who like guys who act like X or Y are "stupid." Really?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/14 04:06 PM
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Do they believe not ALL women want that? Or that MOST women do not?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/14 04:06 PM
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The results for formal: Genre: Formal Female = 313 Male = 426 Difference = 113; 57.64% Verdict: Weak MALE Weak emphasis could indicate European Anyone can write in "gender neutral" language. It's harder to write in a way that doesn't belie your gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/14 02:14 PM
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The HackerFactor Gender Guesser website has OP as a "Weak Male." http://www.hackerfactor.com/GenderGuesser.php The results for informal: Genre: Informal Female = 528 Male = 578 Difference = 50; 52.26% Verdict: Weak MALE Weak emphasis could indicate European
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/14 02:11 PM
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Are blue pillers inherently committed to affirming the negation of beliefs they explicitly reject? So, let's say a TRP belief is: Women are sexually attracted to some level of machivellianism, sociopathy, and narcissism. We represent this with (X). Blue Pillers don't believe (X) and mock it. Doesn't their lack of belief in (X) entail that they believe not(X)? Maybe it will be said that BPers don't actually disbelieve (X); the truth value of (X) is irrelevant, they're just mocking someone for bel…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/14 01:54 AM
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Your partner should dump you if it bothers her. Fairly simple answer, for the analogy and what it's referencing .
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/14 01:47 AM
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I think the dominant RP theories re: hypergamy are pretty vague. Was Anna Nicole Smith ultra-hypergamous? Maybe I'm alone here, but I don't think she was attracted to J. Howard Marshall in any real sense of the word. I don't think women are sexually attracted to men with wealth because of that wealth. I don't think beta bux is sexy. I agree with the implied answer here: marriage rates would plummet if women made 150% more than men. It's not that they'd be less attracted to men - it's that men th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/14 01:02 AM
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sports and working out is how men are supposed to improve themselves Past a certain age, many men are shamed for this too.
/r/TheRedPill16/10/14 07:56 PM
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This is the sort of thing people make fun of TRP for. "I liked a girl so I dumped her." Why? Your grades were slipping so you dumped her? Or you developed feelings for her so you dumped her?
/r/TheRedPill16/10/14 07:35 PM
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Now I bypass the specifics of her anxieties Absolutely key. That'll earn me the scorn of a lot of people, but it's the best solution for everyone involved. The particulars don't matter in the typical situation here. You can't get defensive and appeal to reason here. Your attitude, not your defensive arguments, ensure a resolution to whatever the emotional crisis is.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 07:30 PM
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Does this woman have a portrait in an attic somewhere? She jumped over the Wall. She and Christie Brinkley need to tell the world where their fountain is. That being said, LOL
/r/TheRedPill16/10/14 07:04 PM
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Only entitled in a moral sense, not really in any enforceable legal sense. Do you think there should be legal consequences for failure to remain faithful? In my state, cheating allows one to file for fault-based divorce, which has big implications for post-martial division of assets.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 06:58 PM
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See my response to give_me_shimmies later. This isn't just men from women - a woman in my state has won a court case because her husband denied her sex more than once a week.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 06:57 PM
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It's an interesting question. Like, what's the qualia of that familiarly-observed state? To paraphrase Nagel, "What is it like to be a woman?" Probably not the right sub for this though.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 06:34 PM
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Some states (mine, for instance) have statutory/codal requirements mandating that spouses owe each other support and satisfaction of their reasonable sexual desires. These are obviously flawed provisions. The question is: what's the rationale for striking these duties but keep the other "bunch of other rights and privileges" ? Further, do you think the parties of a single marriage contract should be limited to two? Why or why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 04:43 PM
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First of all, you said you were leaving sex off the table. I am fairly sure this runs counter to the initial framing of your argument. I'm not arguing that sex is owed - I'm emphatically stating that it's not, and asking why the accepted reasoning for why it is not owed does not apply equally to other considerations. If you think this is sophistical, I won't introduce that sort of line of questioning again.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 04:17 PM
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Someone throw this man a trophy. Brilliant. Edit: didn't see it.
/r/TheRedPill16/10/14 04:07 PM
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If the man does it trying to hurt their partner, is is textbook abuse. Don't you mean If a man or woman does it trying to hurt their partner, it is textbook abuse? And is it just the intention to hurt that matters, or is the substantial certainty that it will hurt sufficient?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 03:46 PM
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But plenty of people feel that having others make important choices for them is a horrifying idea that can lead to psychological and physical damage. If someone isn't into X, and they're compelled to do X, they'll be unhappy. Why is the ability to make choices for them non-sexually worse than the ability to make sexual choices for them?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 03:37 PM
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I agree. Marriage is a legal contract with no duties.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 03:29 PM
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Also, this guy gets to fuck Megan fox, Of course, if this "half-open" thing is true, he almost certainly does not get to fuck Megan Fox.
/r/TheRedPill16/10/14 03:28 PM
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The "black pill" means plenty of different things. A veritable smorgasbord of definitions to that one.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 03:23 PM
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Too difficult to sort out otherwise. Part of the value of marriage is being able to make mutual choices- But others would take this argument and state "Part of the value of the marriage is sex." I wouldn't argue that, because I don't think there are any duties or rights in modern marriage, but others might. Why are mutual choices valuable and not sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 03:20 PM
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So it might be best stated as "They're entitled to whatever the couple believes they're entitled to at any single point in time during the duration of the marriage" ?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 03:18 PM
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I agree that that's what marriage entails these days. Why have a default marital contract in the first place, and why involve the State?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 03:03 PM
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Agreed. It's hard for me to understand what anyone gains by involving the State in their love life in this day and age.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 02:59 PM
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I agree with that being the default. Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 02:57 PM
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They're entitled to whatever the couple believes they're entitled to. But either member (or all members, if it's polygamous) can change their mind at any time, right? I may believe both spouses are 'entitled' to financial support at the inception of the marriage and change my mind later - is there any duty owed because of that initial agreement?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 02:51 PM
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Lot of contradictory RP advice on this point: Marry a girl who doesn't work, she won't be a distracted career woman and will be a better wife and mother for it. Marry a girl who does work, she won't be entitled to as much of your earnings. The good thing is that RPers debate the point vigorously and often, so it's self-critical in that regard.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 02:43 PM
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It's a financial agreement for the purpose of merging and creating families, however you choose to define family. That's how it's traditionally conceived. I take it that you think this should still be its purpose. If that's the case, I think the implication is that people shouldn't enter into marriages with agreements requiring a separation of finances. Is that right?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 02:20 PM
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I have no issue with this. However, there are two distinct issues here: 1) There are serious epistemological challenges to any evolutionary psychology claims: how can one truly know that the cause of this particular psychological state/tendency is Selection Pressure X and not Selection Pressure Y? 2) There are serious ontological challenges to any evolutionary psychology claims: it is probably not the case that any Selection Pressure (X, Y - n1) is the cause of any particular psychological state…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 02:11 PM
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Isn't this just something from a tabloid? Has Megan Fox stated this?
/r/TheRedPill16/10/14 01:50 PM
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1) In what way? My gut reaction is just "no." I don't see how a lie can help me in 99% of cases. Maybe the stock situation is "I'll stay with you forever if you sleep with me" but that line is guaranteed to be a major turnoff. Maybe something to make me seem more exciting? I could see that helping, maybe. I don't think I'd bother though. It might make the most sense for guys with very little or no experience with women: "Yeah, well, I've been around the block with my share of girls, and...." 2) …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 01:41 PM
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I'm saying that more educated people tend to have less children. In the modern era, more educated people tend to be more intelligent people. If more intelligent people have fewer children but less intelligent people have the same amount of children, a population's average IQ declines. So, yes. Check the study I posted.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 01:35 PM
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Yeah, I won't disagree with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 01:53 AM
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Didn't realize that about Rodger. I saw the PUAhate site about 6 months before Rodger went off and was terrified by those guys, actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 12:42 AM
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Is this a serious question? If I state something like "TRP sub is full of frustrated, naive men" and get downvoted, I have a pretty good reason to believe it's a TRP member. And that's happened here. If I state something like "Here's why the California campus rape rule is an example of poor statutory drafting that makes heretofore innocuous behavior punishable by expulsion" and get downvoted, I have a pretty good reason to think it's someone who identifies as blue. And that's happened here. Mayb…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 12:26 AM
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I object to the fact that many BP members take the TBP mentality to Purple Pill Debate. That is, the BP is (we are told) a satire site, not a place united behind any particular beliefs, and only meant to mock RPers. Many BPers on this sub bring that here: they mock, downvote, and state that they are not actually disagreeing with any RP ideas - they're just making fun of them. So it's not a "debate" or a conversation, it's just RPers stating "X is the case" and BPers stating "LOL he/she thinks X …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 12:01 AM
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I think they're occasionally funny, but it's 90% righteous indignation thinly disguised as satire, 10% satire. TRP sub is bad, but TBP is awful.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 11:57 PM
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Yeah, this is bigger than RP/BP crap. Your place in the sexual market place is an obvious issue but it's not necessarily the important issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 11:53 PM
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Someone has to be arrested. Nothing prevents the cop from making that person the one who made the call.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 08:07 PM
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Probably. I'm original like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 08:06 PM
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Not limited to women, but stronger in women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 08:02 PM
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I'm not arguing that point. If genetics plays any part, the dysgenic element is there. And we know it does, because we have directly on-point research here. I'm not necessarily arguing that increasing IQ (or preventing IQ decrease) is a morally desirable goal. However, I do think it's funny - women (and men) are getting less intelligent because we're educating them more.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 08:02 PM
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If the latter, an ugly billionaire could do quite well. Anna Nicole Smith may well have been sexually attracted to he man in your example. oh, come on. http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2007/news/070219/smith_marshall180.jpg Father of her daughter: http://a4.files.biography.com/image/upload/c_fill,dpr_1.0,g_face,h_300,q_80,w_300/MTE1ODA0OTcyMDQ1Nzk2ODc3.jpg
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 07:49 PM
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The whole point I was making in my OP is that casual sex is something that women should have evolved to avoid because in the absence of modern technology sex=pregnancy and pregnancy is a big risk, also human children take forever to raise and need resources, and to the extent that commitment itself is influenced by genetics you want to have the kinds of kids who will be in turn committed to their families and so on. The protection scheme is just this: women have a lower libido, on average. You c…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 07:36 PM
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first please clarify what you mean by "natural female sexuality", By encouraging usage of hormonal birth control, natural female sexual drives were disrupted significantly and pervasively. Contra a lot of TRP rhetoric, it's likely that the average Pill'd up woman of today is less drawn to masculine traits than she was 100 years ago; the Pill kills female sex drive in most women. The effects are widespread.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 07:04 PM
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Also how it's affected IQ Above-average intelligence women are now less likely to have kids than at any point in history in the West. Most women in the West at average or above-average intelligence have fewer than 2.0 children. That's below replacement rate. That means the population of people descended from above-average or average-intelligence women is shrinking in the West. Meanwhile, below average intelligence women reproduce at 2.0 and higher still. So the population of children of below-av…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 06:59 PM
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Feminism, in conjunction with other socio-political sea changes in the 19th and 20th centuries, has made life worse for women. Women always worked, I definitely agree. Feminism (again, along with some other huge cultural shifts) has made a series of impossible demands on women. The clearest embodiment of these impossible standards is the perpetuation of the Have It All Myth. I wrote a post on TRP under my last handle (agharta10) that went into this a little more. Culture (of which feminism is on…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 06:48 PM
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The "cock carousel" stuff gives the impression that TRPers think women are sleeping around with the top 20% (or whatever %) of men quite a lot. It's overwrought rhetoric. The idea is really this: women are sexually attracted to a small number of men, whom they tend cycle through in short term relationships and hook-ups and one-night-stands and friends-with-benefits arrangements. The larger point isn't even that women are actually sleeping with these guys; it's that these are the only guys that w…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 06:31 PM
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I'll check my link bank when I get a chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 06:09 PM
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talk with them about it. Be open about how it bothers me, and compromise if it works out The difference is that RP says that these are forebrain solutions for a hindbrain issue. RP would say they are testably poor solutions (perhaps not recreateable in a double-blind study, but testable within one's life): that men who "talk about it" are almost always viewed as less sexually attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 05:20 PM
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The male lifetime median is 6.1. I'm not sure how that contradicts what I said in any way. Men tend to self-report consistently and, when they lie, they exaggerate upwards. Women self-report inconsistently and, when they lie, they exaggerate downwards. I think I agree with you that superplayers tend to accumulate a higher number of partners than even the biggest 'whores.' The remaining men average numbers below that of the average women. That's consistent with AF/BB. There are plenty, and if the…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 05:17 PM
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I don't think so. I'm asking if these are correct descriptions of some of the reasons that there's something "wrong" with RPW. I could be totally wrong and I even worded it in a way to ensure maximum argument charity. Maybe the "saved from themselves" seems a little overwrought. But the implication therein - that RPW have bought into an ideology or set of beliefs that is false and harmful and that there's a bit of an obligation to correct them, for their own sake - seems accurate for many BPers.…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 03:28 PM
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If I had to guess, I'd say BPers think: RP women suffer from sort of false consciousness; that they've been insidiously and subtly forced into believing certain premises that are both incorrect and harmful to them. These RP women need to be saved from themselves and the patriarchy. RP women hurt all women by buying into the mythologies of TRP. Correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 03:22 PM
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Two things: 1) the "egalitarian" nature of most h-g societies is overstated. 2) 10,000 year explosion. I don't necessarily disagree with any of literated's points, I'm just saying that the further out we get from really basic points (eggs are expensive, sperm is cheap), the harder it gets to make evolutionary arguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 03:03 PM
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This is an argument for why cheating exists, not for AF/BB. I agree that in one way it would be advantageous to the woman to get better genes or simply different genes and pass the kid off as her mate's, but on the other hand this is incredibly risky (as I already mentioned, some women get killed for this) and it would make sense for women to have evolved traits that discourage cheating/suppress the sexual attraction to other men. Risk/reward. The existence of a risk just means that people will …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 02:04 PM
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Plus, where are the women with the huge numbers of partners? Lifetime median for women is in the low single digits. Even in the modern culture which has separated sex from pregnancy and in some ways promotes promiscuity, not that many women are actually doing it. Two explanations, again deriving from "sperm is cheap, eggs are expensive." (1) Women typically only engage in casual sex with men they find highly sexually attractive; they only find a small number of men highly sexually attractive. Ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 01:58 PM
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What level of good genes would an "AF" need to have for a woman to risk her life on a kid by him, when that kid is not going to get the benefits of a committed husband/father, and would potentially ruin that woman's ability to get a committed husband/father in the future? That is why women's relatively low libidos are helpful. But the 'risk' is not as great if the BB guys have reason to believe it might be their kid. And that's why the increased attraction to "alpha" qualities during peak fertil…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 01:46 PM
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Thanks for the detailed answer. I see what you're saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 12:32 PM
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These things lead me to the conclusion that women are wired to avoid commitment-free sex and avoid sex with men who would make bad "husbands"/fathers. No, it means that women are wired to avoid reproductive behavior with men that are poor genetic material and avoid commitment with men who would make bad "husbands/fathers." That's AF/BB in a nutshell. That's why plenty of men do have ONSs and that's why women are more likely to engage in ONSs while at their most fertile. It is natural for women t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 12:31 PM
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Yeah, I just thought the male equivalent was an actual male gold digger. Britney was pretty hot in her day, so I don't think K-Fed's interest was merely money or even mostly money, but I do know plenty of men whose 'dick game' was sufficiently strong that they leached off of multiple women - usually simultaneously. We just see it less than with women, for a variety of reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 11:26 AM
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I find it fascinating that people think #2 would do better with "hipster girls" or "nerds." If anything, Meeks' one-night-stand rate with nerdy girls/hipster girls would be higher. Release both guys into a hipster bar - which displays danger, excitement, and sexual assertiveness? Not to mention the novelty factor for SWPL-types. Hindbrain sexual attraction is what's at stake here. Meeks generates a lot more of that than Pajama Boy, no matter what people want to tell themselves about themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 11:04 AM
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Not directly on point, I don't think I've got anything to add that homo_homini_lupus didn't say, but... Why are BPers so obsessed with this issue? That is, RPers are clearly obsessed with it, but the BP focus on that RP obsession is itself a little fanatical. RPers are limiting the number of women they will seriously date. That's certainly a good thing for BPers, right? Is it just that the BP - a sub of moral indignation - finds this position extra morally offensive and thus more deserving of sc…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 10:51 AM
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I'm not worried about these people. I'm worried about the unanticipated consequences of poor statutory drafting. I'm worried about overbroad laws. I'm worried about rules that define lots of otherwise innocuous behavior as rape and then force the accused to demonstrate why he/she shouldn't be punished. If it's a false rape claim you're worried about, then this scenario doesn't even have to have a legitimate withdrawal of consent - one could simply claim that they withdrew consent after the fact.…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 10:31 AM
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I'd also point out that women report 'has money' as being a more desirable aspect for a potential spouse now than they did 80 years ago. Based on a small survey, I'll try to find the source it when I get home. Makes sense when you consider the increased levels of materialism in most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/14 06:33 PM
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why is bill clinton so loved if people like jerks? mitreddit: confirmed troll
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/14 06:10 PM
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That's a good analysis and it's important to keep creating hypotheses that can be tested and/or at least considered. But the possibility that there are hidden forms of discrimination isn't quite the same thing as saying that there are these covert, insidious forms of discrimination that have a mass effect. I suppose that it's more rhetorically effective to say: "And in 2014, women only make 77 cents on the dollar to men!" than "And in 2014, the data we currently have shows an unexplained wage ga…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/14 04:56 PM
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They probably perceive that they're paying women fairly. If they pay a women less, it's probably because they think she deserves less pay. That's, of course, a possibility. But it's not something that's supported by any data directly, it's an assumption based on another assumption that people are actually paying women less based on the same work. We don't have any data which could be construed as linking resistance to hiring women to the 5 cents-7 cents currently-unexplained wage gap. More granu…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/14 04:44 PM
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if you look at hiring practices, Here's the rub: it's setting up competing incentives. 1) We don't want to hire women, even when equally qualified 2) We want to hire women so we can pay them less I think, if anything, we'd see an inverse relationship here: companies that are willing to pay women less for the same work would be more likely to hire women. Companies that aren't willing to hire women for the same work will not bother with the secondary discrimination of lesser payment. I don't see t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/14 04:20 PM
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Here's what I think about the post: I don't have access to the full text of the article so I can't go into details. There you have it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/14 04:03 PM
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"unexplained" does not mean "explained by gender." It's just as likely that a) there are further variables (beyond working hours, experience, qualifications, and job title) and/or b) that specific combinations of those variables have a larger effect than they do alone account for any discrepancy. It's hard for me to make the leap from "this wage gap is unexplained" to "this wage gap is explained by gender-based wage discrimination."
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/14 03:56 PM
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He'll also be okay because he has fame and social status - alfalfa fux I think the positive sexual attractiveness effects of fame and status are grossly overstated. "Status" is incredibly variable - does Bill Gates' "status" as one of the more important people alive make him sexy? No. Women don't adorn their walls with Bill Gates posters and I've yet to meet a woman who expressed a desire to have 30 steamy no-strings-attached minutes with Bill Gates. The status of lead guitarist for a regional r…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/14 03:05 PM
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He's pointing out that the question-begging nature of the hypo. It's actually two hypotheticals Hypothetical contradictory evidence Hypothetical TRP reaction There's nothing "revealing" about imagining a situation in which you're correct and your opponents make fools of themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/14 02:48 PM
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The whole existence of /r/thebluepill is searching /r/theredpill for posts that confirm what /r/thebluepill already thinks. Pretty irrefutable here.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/14 01:47 PM
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Defining mutual consent as affirmative (and affirmatively-expressed) ongoing consent is the problem, then placing the burden on the accused (whoever that winds up being; so it becomes a mutual burden) to constantly ensure affirmative consent exists. Scenario: 1) Person A is giving head to Person B. Person B consented to this activity. Person B relaxes and is quiet, as Person B usually is when getting head 2) After 1 minute of receiving head, Person B internally withdraws consent. Person A is sti…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/14 01:42 PM
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I've posted a line-by-line explanation of the law and why it entails, by its clear and explicit language, quite a bit more than most BPers believe. Naturally, I was downvoted multiple times. This is just one of the many reasons it's hard to feel like the Purple Pill Debate is actually a conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/14 01:35 PM
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Could be. However, it's important to remember that women are sexually attracted to physical traits in males that correlate with survival value as well: shoulder-to-waist ratio, big jaw, facial and body symmetry, etc. I think marrying "up" is a rational decision, especially if sexual attraction is only a small part of your reason for marrying in the first place. I think if most men had the libido of most women, you'd see parity in men and women attempting to marry "up." Edit: So my point is just …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/14 01:14 PM
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Drop her if you're turned off by it. It's really that simple. Then you go find another plate, if you want that. And you don't have to say "I'm dumping you because I'm turned off by you sleeping with other dudes, even though I'm sleeping with other girls." Your sexual preferences are your own. You don't have to cram them into any particular box for any alleged consistency.
/r/TheRedPill13/10/14 09:11 PM
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You don't need to get over your sexual preferences. You have 100,000+ years of evolution pushing you to prefer a woman who isn't sleeping around. Does this make sense in the context of casual hookups? No, of course not, but your reptile brain doesn't care. This is as natural a feeling as any other. Your genetic imperatives are best served by having maximum access and no competition. There's nothing "beta" about this.
/r/TheRedPill13/10/14 08:47 PM
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If you asked me this when I was a virgin, I'd say as many as possible. At this point, I'd answer: I wish I had found her sooner. Pretty sappy, I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 08:17 PM
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You've got me feeling emooooooooooooooTIONS, deeper than I've ever dreamed oofffff
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 08:05 PM
2

I always laugh when people try to give me crap about doing something that's not "manly." Everything is manly, it's just how you do it not what you do. I listen to Mariah Carey while weightlifting to maximize muscle confusion. (srs)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 07:44 PM
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Facial attractiveness matters. I'm not a RudyRude acolyte or anything (please see: EssexCountyThugLife, for instance), but there's serious denial on this point on TRP. Is it as significant as something like social/interpersonal dominance? Probably not. A guy like Daniel Craig - good, but not great looking - can make himself a sex symbol by carrying himself in a highly 'alpha' manner in his movies. But, really, looks still carry great weight. Zayn Malik can generate attraction because he's good l…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 07:23 PM
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This reminds me of the times when BPers accuse RPers of using "virgin" as an insult.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 06:31 PM
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Good comment. You're right.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 05:16 PM
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I think it's a pretty slick way to advertise. Just as advertisers have always appealed to female insecurities, they're now attacking male insecurities about their "man card" in an age where what counts as "masculine" is in serious flux. It's interesting because I grew up way out in the country, doing 'traditionally' masculine things: camping, shooting guns, chopping trees, playing football. That didn't stop me from liking literature and poetry, art, and other things that might otherwise be regar…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 05:00 PM
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Red Pill too often is blind to the difference between healthy masculinity and market-manufactured masculinity. This is huge. The bizarre worship of, say, a television character like Don Draper. He's a creation designed to sell things; that is, the show exists to make money for the writers and television executives by selling advertising space....and the character himself mirrors this. It works very well on a meta- level. Don Draper's job is to sell; "Don Draper"'s job is to sell. They both work.…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 03:51 PM
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That might be part of it, but I'd hazard that it's only a small part of it. Most non-migrants in the West, of every income level, are significantly more materialistic than they were 50 years ago. I don't think this can be adequately explained by immigration
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 03:44 PM
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Most men aren't going to get super jacked in the way that bodybuilders on HGH or steroids are super jacked. Most aren't going to be intimidating at all until 5+ years into dedicated lifting. However: Men tend to overestimate the amount of muscle women find attractive just like women tend to overestimate the level of thinness that men find attractive. 100% on point.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 12:11 PM
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This is a much more useful and functional sort of fitness than just growing bigger, which is basically vanity fitness that actually can impede functionality. Well, I don't know. I get what you're saying but most guys who lift aren't "just growing bigger." It's hard to get hypertrophy without strength. I lift as a side component of my main athletic pursuit, so I'm only in the weight room once or twice a week. The high-weight/low-reps thing I focus on is functional in the sense that the increased …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 12:09 PM
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Most men on TRP are naive, frustrated, and cling furiously to ego-protecting beliefs. Many worship money, probably in conjunction with the ego-protecting thing. Many don't realize the implications of their beliefs; again, likely to protect their egos. So guys who realize they're not just not good looking but actually ugly think that money can save them and make them sexually attractive to women. The fact that worshiping money seems to contradict all the other self-improvement advice (that is, it…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 12:04 PM
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Naturally red pill in almost all of my beliefs. I grew up realizing men and women were drastically different in many respects and that these differences couldn't be adequately described by "culture." Naturally not "red pill" in temperament, if the temperament is best described as the tone in TRP sub. Like most men, I didn't get all the women I wanted and was sometimes frustrated by that fact, but I was pretty darn successful on the whole before I was snatched from the market.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 11:37 AM
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I don't look at the stuff anymore, praises be, but when I did I noticed a constant downward shift of what counted as MILF. 40s, 30s, all the way to mid-20s by the time I stopped looking in the early 2010s.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 11:33 AM
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That's because "beta" isn't a person. It's an adjective. When rpers or ppers talk about "a beta" (using beta as a noun) it is simply out of laziness, humor, or a bit of meanness. (I am also guilty of it.) There is no perfect beta. alpha/beta is a spectrum. Beta is one direction. The more "beta" you become, the more willing and likely you become of sacrifice your own needs to appease others (or at least you appear that way). The more "alpha" you become, the more selfish you're going to appear, be…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 11:11 AM
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Don't have my links handy, but one interesting thing here is that people have gotten continually more materialistic in the last century. Increase materialism across the board, decrease overt class distinctions and allow more inter-class marriage, and of course you'll wind up with more women "marrying up." (Men have gotten more materialistic too. It's just that (a) men still tend to be higher earners, and (b) higher earning women don't tend to marry significantly "down" in the same way men do. Wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 11:07 AM
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Why do so many people on the internet TYPE LIKE THIS ALL OF A SUDDEN? It's like they're just speaking in a normal tone and THEN HOLY CRAP IT TURNS INTO SUDDEN SCREAMING IT IS A BIG DEAL YOU CAN TELL BECAUSE MY WORDS ARE BIGGER. Do people really believe that WORDS ARE MORE TRUE WHEN THEY ARE NOT LOWER CASE AND THIS IS THE BEST WAY TO EMPHASIZE CERTAIN POINTS?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 08:41 PM
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Every circumstance in your life is meant to challenge you and give you just the right lessons to move you forward. No.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 08:37 PM
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Many hunter-gatherer societies are quite egalitarian. Source. Seriously. Why do you think that sexual dimorphism only has effect on certain physical traits (height, weight, child-bearing) and not other physical traits (brain size and setup)? You mean in relation to the development of patriarchy? No, I mean generally. Why do you think men are 3 - 5 inches taller than women on average, but are not different in their neural setup?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/14 03:58 PM
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Absolutely revolting. Going to stare at this for 20 more minutes, just to take in how gross she is. notsrs.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/14 01:47 PM
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Man, your rap taste is on point.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/14 01:42 PM
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What's he asking? I don't generally pontificate to people apropos of nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/14 03:34 AM
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Remember, we live in a world where rape is severely underreported and most rapists walk free, Remember, we live in a world where crime is severely underreport and most criminals walk free, RPers are reacting against the presumption that anyone accused of rape is a rapist. The fact that rape is underreported does not entail that most people accused of rape are rapists. It is healthy skepticism; it's unfortunate that such skepticism is only offered by admitted extremists. Most people who post on T…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/14 03:20 AM
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Agreed. That's my point. A rational person would assume the rapist might be guilty and the accuser might be lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/14 02:15 AM
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Sure it is. It's putting one pussy on multiple pedestals. Paid sex, paid personal savior, all in one.
/r/TheRedPill10/10/14 01:32 AM
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you're triggering me
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/14 01:21 AM
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Going into a case with the assumption that every rape victim is a liar is disgusting and the red pill is totally okay with it. "Going into a case with an assumption that everyone accused of rape is a rapist is disgusting" See?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/14 12:54 AM
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It just goes to show how valuable certain skills are in this world. Or it just shows that there are tons of suckers. Some people pay for gold toilet paper. Counter argument: "But if you have 50 million in the bank that's practically nothi..." Yeah ok.
/r/TheRedPill10/10/14 12:50 AM
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lol that's the saddest part. some rich sap is paying a girl (with no psychiatry training, mind you) to listen to him cry about his life. and that's the start of something even more pathetic - because he realizes that fact, and how laughable and pitiful that is - and now he has something else to cry about. you can't buy self-respect.
/r/TheRedPill10/10/14 12:47 AM
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And a lot of hip hop - ATCQ, Outkast, anything produced by the Neptunes or DJ Premier
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/14 12:28 AM
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Red Jazz, Jazz-Rock, Blues, Blues-Rock, Reggae, Country, Classical Jazz - Miles Davis, Freddie Hubbard, John Coltrane, Joe Henderson, Bill Evans, Antonio Carlos Jobim, etc Jazz Rock - Miles Davis and his disciples Blues - Also Burnside (though I'd say he's not delta, he's hill country), Son House, Robert Johnson, * John Lee Hooker, the Fat Possum gang generally, Lightnin Hopkins Blues Rock - Those 60-70s groups we all love, The White Stripes, Black Keys, etc Reggae - everything from Roots to Dan…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/14 12:25 AM
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Haha he's back
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/14 12:21 AM
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I buy it
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/14 12:17 AM
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Post-agriculture. Why are existing hunter-gathering societies largely patriarchal? Patriarchy is easily explained by sex differences, i.e., men are stronger than women and don't bear children. That, in and of itself, explains things handily without any psychological component, i.e., gender. Why do you think that sexual dimorphism only has effect on certain physical traits (height, weight, child-bearing) and not other physical traits (brain size and setup)?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 11:53 PM
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Yes, really.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 11:52 PM
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I think there's some merit here: Money IMO has the ability to increase women's interest in you if and only if you can like an alpha (think Donald Trump). If you act like a beta, you'll only be attracting gold diggers. Butt..... For example, lets say Bill Gates arrives at a very expensive club in his Ferrari, combined with expensive clothes/accessories and act like one of the most important men in the world (which he is) and I'm sure he'll have girls begging to fuck him. I'm not so sure I agree I…
/r/TheRedPill08/10/14 09:37 PM
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For the visual: https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8383/8465657752_a4af3d2b52.jpg http://www.geek.com/gearlog/images/bill-gates_costume.jpg These cause two very different responses. Part of TRP is recognizing the common female conflation of the different meanings of "attractive." Bill Gates is certainly "attractive" in the sense that women would love the opportunity to have access to his provisioning. Brad Pitt-lookalike-gamealike (though he lacks the status of Brad Pitt so is therefore not nearly as…
/r/TheRedPill08/10/14 09:18 PM
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Bill Gates and a guy with Brad Pitt's looks-equivalent and swagger walk into a bar. How many girls actually get gushy at Bill? I don't mean interested in the sense that they'd be willing to sleep with him for a chance at some of those dollars, I mean how many actually have a physiological reaction indicative of sexual interest at Bill? Now how many get gushy when Pitt-level-looks-and-game talks to them? Upper class, middle class, lower class - all the same. Being sexually interesting incites a s…
/r/TheRedPill08/10/14 08:36 PM
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He said average, the sensible guess is that he’s talking about some sort of statistic he’s read and is simply using the wrong word. Or, another sensible guess is some people really don't understand that the "average" has to be the same. Yes, if we just lob everybody on the planet (and everybody who is already dead, otherwise it throws off the numbers again) into one big pool and apply the exact same definiton of “sexual partner” to everybody’s life and eliminate all kinds of other problems, ever…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 08:21 PM
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Casually dating multiple women without sexing any of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 07:54 PM
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This conversation is making less and less sense to me the further we go. One poster claimed that men have more sex partners than women, on average. I pointed out that that claim is nonsense You jump in and claim that it's not nonsense because 'statistics' about partner counts can use medians instead of averages I point out, among other things, that what I was responding to was the claim about averages specifically You stated that the poster talking about averages might have been wrong in using t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 07:52 PM
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Yeah, but that doesn’t make him the TRP cliché of some highly successful, attractive “alpha” guy nor does it indicate anything about the perceived attractiveness of the women he slept with. He might just be a slob from some socially deprived area. Where did I say it would? I said it made him "sexually successful" in the sense that it means he slept with a lot of women. I'm not judging quality, and I'm not adding anything meaningful to "success" other than numerosity. That doesn’t make the usage …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 07:25 PM
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I've often wondered if the alpha cock carousel thing that gets whined about is a very pragmatic stratagey to protect your "beta" children Betas are a pragmatic way to protect the children of alphas.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 07:04 PM
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I'm guessing the minority here - women who don't like PIV sex, or find it frequently painful - are a much louder group than the majority. I'm guessing those that do find it painful or dislike it for some reason are more likely to hold certain political and social views that remove them from your day to day observation.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 07:03 PM
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Because statistics often use medians instead of averages He specifically said "average" because people can have partners who are not included in the statistics (for example due to age gaps) Which statistics? because not all people have the same definition of “sexual partner” and so on and so forth. Under- and overreporting also happens. Well, yes. That's why if a stat said "The average man has had 3.1 sexual partners and the average woman has had 2.1 sexual partners" it's fair to guess that the …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 06:58 PM
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butt... http://i.ytimg.com/vi/MAwQmCNxokg/0.jpg
/r/TheRedPill08/10/14 06:44 PM
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Ignoring the fact that women on average have a lower partner count than men A response I made to a similar claim yesterday: How the heck is the average male going to have more sex partners than the average woman? We have five men - A, B, C, D, and E. We have five women - (1), (2), (3), (4), (5) •A sleeps with (1), (2), (3), and (4) •B sleeps with (2), (3), (4), and (5) •C sleeps with (4), (5) •D sleeps with (1) •E sleeps with no one. That means: •(1) sleeps with A and B •(2) sleeps with A and B …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 06:19 PM
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Ignoring the fact that women on average have a lower partner count than men Wut?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 06:12 PM
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Everyone has always been sexually attracted to younger women. Everything in this discussion has been mixing different meanings of "attraction."
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 05:14 PM
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Right. Tons of Nigerian-born sprinters go on to be great runners in Nigeria OR for other countries; Femi Ogunde (Qatar), Samuel Francis (Qatar), Francis Obikwelu (Portugal), and so on. Not something you see with other countries in West Africa.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 04:52 PM
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I'm sorry, I'm not making myself clear. I'm saying - I'm not saying "well, there are some Europeans who can beat some West Africans." I'm saying - it's likely a ethnic subset of West Africans who possess the greater-than-average amount of fast twitch fibers. This would explain why there are so many groups of West Africans who are actually slow. Does that make sense? I'm saying that your statement about "West Africans have more fast twitch fibers on average" is a common one in the track world. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 04:46 PM
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Usain Bolt is Jamaican, but of largely West African descent. Yes, and what I'm saying is: There might be some reason to suspect that he is descended from a West African ethnic group that is inordinately talented in sprinting, and that there are other West African ethnic groups that are not similarly talented (and/or are actually slow or lacking in fast twitch fibers when compared to the rest of the world). And the cultural prioritization of track and field in the Caribbean, and specifically Jama…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 04:36 PM
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Are the mods ever going to do anything about this guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 04:29 PM
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Those of West African descent have the genetic goods to dominate in sprinting, but those goods have to be cultivated. West Africa doesn't have the economic resources nor the political interest at the moment. I'm saying there is likely significant genetic variation within West Africa, as evidenced by the fact that plenty of countries have national records below 10.30. Any decent-sized population with the requisite genetics should have any number of adult males who can run faster than that with no…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 04:27 PM
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Why are you ignoring what I just typed?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 04:01 PM
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West Africans have more fast-twitch muscles in the upper thigh area, so those of West African descent will likely be more athletic, and especially dominant in "sprints." One thing I've noticed in this discussion - as an oft-frustrated white sprinter - is that it glosses over some interesting variations here. I've got a map on another website color-coding 100 meter national records. What I found was that West Africa itself was all over the map. Nigeria has had an inordinate number of great 100 me…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 03:56 PM
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They're suited for each other. We need to stop race mixing. Lol, I want you to know that I'm doing my part for more race mixing. I'll dedicate my first few brown babies to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 03:34 PM
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What do you mean? I seriously have no idea. Let's put it this way: I have lots of friends. I'm not "using them for my own amusement" - they do amuse me, and I amuse them, but beneath that we're friends. Sometimes I meet people who strike me as cool and I like to hang out with them more. We're not friends yet, but we make plans to hang out and amuse each other. Am I using them? "Spinning plates" means having multiple possible romantic interests. It's not coercive, it's not manipulative, it's not …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 03:29 PM
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How is it treating humans as one's personal entertainment? Having several options open, when one is not in a committed relationship, does not strike me as being particularly selfish. It simply means you're avoiding premature overinvestment in one person.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 03:21 PM
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That you don't have to "bang lots of women" to be spinning plates. That it works for guys who have religious objections to premarital sex. It's therefore a pretty broad strategy and not one only useful to pick up artists frequenting clubs.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 03:14 PM
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I have religious friends who "spin plates" without sleeping with the girls. It's a good way to avoid being overly fixated on one person and in arousing more interest from more women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 02:58 PM
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This. It's not getting into extreme epistemic skepticism (how could I ever know if anything else ever existed?). It's not focused on the Cartesian question. It's talking about an observed behavioral tendency.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 02:31 PM
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"HBD" as a label is invoked to cover a wider variety of ideologies than even "feminism."
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 02:13 PM
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just borrowing from one of my favorite philosophers/theologians. really has nothing to do with RP/BP/PP
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 01:10 PM
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teleological suspension of the ethical
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 01:17 AM
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It's not ridiculous because it works. I have a male friend who has expressed excitement about women our age (late 20s, early 30s) getting older and looking for more stable guys. He actively avoids working out because 'that's something douchebags do.' He enjoys wining and dining women he knows are getting banged in bar bathrooms. Guys, especially those who are willfully ignorant about the SMP, are complicit in this strategy.
/r/TheRedPill08/10/14 01:16 AM
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Uh. Go on. Uh. U H
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/14 11:11 PM
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That's one reason. There are others: obtaining convictions for false accusations is not a track record that lends itself easily to popular support. It's not a conviction that's adjudged to be worth the expense - time and financial - of getting. The SJW reasoning (punishing false rape accusations discourages real rape victims from coming forward) probably has traction with many DAs and judges as well
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/14 11:01 PM
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Gonna go ahead and guess that disliking PIV sex is a fairly maladaptive trait. .
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/14 08:55 PM
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Omnipresent complaints about men "objectifying" women are shaming male sexuality, IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/14 08:50 PM
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Agreed. There are actually subs devoted to moral indignation over other subs.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/14 08:05 PM
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It's my observation that the straight people who have "problems" with PIV for 'power reasons' have extremely low sex drives in the first place and/or sex-related psychological problems, even when they are "sex positive." Just my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/14 07:45 PM
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He's not comparing the two. He's saying that agency does not entail wise or good decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/14 07:25 PM
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It's a really good question, because it essentially involves this further question: is there a difference between patriarchy and biology? The number of truly egalitarian societies is tiny. SJW delight at finding a supposedly egalitarian or matriarchal society is typically dampened significantly when it turns out there are significant patriarchal elements to their supposed Edens. The Mosuo, for instance, are matrilineal only in the lower classes - the patriarchal nobles developed the system to el…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/14 07:12 PM
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How the heck is the average male going to have more sex partners than the average woman? We have five men - A, B, C, D, and E. We have five women - (1), (2), (3), (4), (5) A sleeps with (1), (2), (3), and (4) B sleeps with (2), (3), (4), and (5) C sleeps with (4), (5) D sleeps with (1) E sleeps with no one. That means: (1) sleeps with A and B (2) sleeps with A and B (3) sleeps with A and B (4) sleeps with A, B, and C (5) sleeps with C and D Both groups average out to 2.2 partners per individual.…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/14 07:03 PM
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But to claim that there's anything that's objectively true and to shame people who hold values in a different light to oneself is frankly pathetic and delusional. Is this statement objectively true?
/r/TheRedPill07/10/14 04:35 PM
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Rape is when a reasonable person would think that they don't have consent. Incorrect. Rape is sexual activity without the consent of one or more parties. Deciding whether or not someone should be punished for rape often involves an examination into the reasonableness of the accused's actions. But whether or not a rape occurred is not a question about what the accused believed.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/14 04:27 PM
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I agree. I look forward to the abolition of other express and implied marital duties - support, fidelity, and presumed financial sharing. Being married to someone doesn't give you the right to demand love, respect, money, and so on, from them either. And I'm 100% serious. Marriage, as a legal institution, is fundamentally changed from what it once was. Why should we keep around certain vestiges of that old institution?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/14 04:19 PM
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Everyone should see this post.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/14 04:09 PM
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I disagree, its not that rare. Most men will have sex at some point in their lives, and chances are they'll have had much more sex than the average woman. Wut?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/14 04:05 PM
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This all sounds pretty par for the course for my experiences with sex positive feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/14 02:01 PM
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Given the scandal surrounding this case (it was what, 7 or 8 years ago IIRC), do you really think something like this is likely to happen again? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Banks_(American_football) Girl never charged. Civilly sued
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/14 12:34 PM
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Because as I said above, it needs to be demonstrated that the person could have reasonably deduced that consent has been withdrawn. No, not under the California campus rape law. An affirmative consent standard in the determination of whether consent was given by both parties to sexual activity. “Affirmative consent” means affirmative, conscious, and voluntary agreement to engage in sexual activity. It is the responsibility of each person involved in the sexual activity to ensure that he or she h…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/14 10:19 PM
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I asked someone else Who? It appeared that powerkick was following up on bombaypotatoes' response to We_Are_Legion. If powerkick was responding to something "someone else" said to you - how is anyone supposed to know that? women "don't know themselves." Do you not think that could be interpreted as negative or indicative of some kind of belief in inferiority when it comes to women vs men? I don't think it entails anything about inferiority. Whether or not that's one possible interpretation is an…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/14 10:14 PM
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I'm afraid they do, in practically every part of the world. But let's say that you find a state in the US where withdrawing consent isn't considered rape, or sexual assault, and it's viewed as fine - so what? All you've pointed out is an outdated law that needs to be updated to come in line with the rest of the world. You didn't understand what I said. Not quite - California is one of the seven states which has actively expanded the definition of "nonconsent" to include withdrawal of consent and…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/14 10:01 PM
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Look, here's the example. Tell me when and if the rape occurred: Person A and Person B have finished signing and notarizing their sexual consent forms. They have agreed that Person B will assume the missionary position and relax as Person A thrusts. They begin doing so. Time W: Person A and Person B are having consensual missionary sex in accord with the prior agreement. Person B is relaxed and enjoying it, with a closed-eyes expression and a relaxed mouth. Person B is typically quiet during sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/14 09:36 PM
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Clickbait. Just trying to get page views. No real substance, IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/14 09:03 PM
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I'm not sure. Violent crime in general has declined severely in the last 40 years (in the USA). So has rape. http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/ldah6rdp6ukvngoyqi1fcg.gif http://akarlin.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/incidence-of-rape-us-pinker.png Rape looks to be falling faster, so many "feminism" has made some impact there. But I think there are clearly much bigger things going on.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/14 08:27 PM
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And this is why criminal laws have a more onerous burden of proof than civil laws: the negative consequences of adjudged culpability are greater in the former arena. This is also why clarity in the criminal law is paramount - it allows people to know the limits of legal behavior and thereby guides them. People have traditionally known that it's illegal to kill people, that it's illegal to take goods from stores without paying for them, and so forth. Poorly drafted criminal laws (or pseudo-crimin…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/14 08:15 PM
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The problem is that the body language consent has to be continually affirmative. You are not allowed to lie there. It defines rape as anything less than ongoing affirmative consent. See my post history for some expanded posts on this topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/14 08:09 PM
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It simply isn't possible to comprehensively link psychology and neurology/genetics with current technology But no one looks for certainty in anything. This gets into a sort of Wittgensteinian pragmatism, but the upshot is just - no one is really looking for 100% proof in the sense that modus ponens might be regarded as providing 100% certainty. Men and women, across cultures and eras, have observed some basic differences in men and women. That implies, with enough certainty for it to be useful i…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/14 08:00 PM
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•7 and below - not worth your time as TRP man can do better. This is silly, IMO. There will be TRP guys who will likely never be 7's or 8's in the sexual marketplace. Under a bell curve distribution, only like 16% of all women will be above a 6.25, right? I'm no mathematician but that's my understanding of it (http://i.imgur.com/riwro.png). That accords with my person observations: most women are in the middle, only a few are really hot (what I'd call a 7.5 or above). A woman who is a 9+ is goin…
/r/TheRedPill06/10/14 07:40 PM
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(bullshit, you wanted a child for the last 9 months now that isn't YOURS you aren't going to care for it?). Well...yes. Why would I want to care for someone else's child? Especially since it is evidence of my wife's infidelity? TRP stipulates that men are demonized to a dangerous point in society and women are forming a militant matriarchy that must be struck down utilizing Machiavellian and therefore manipulative and narcissistic tactics. I stress the word narcissistic because while TRP claims …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/14 07:29 PM
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Are you not being judged or are you being judged in a non-negative fashion? Not appraised at all or appraised positively (or, slightly differently appraised and not treated worse)?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/14 07:15 PM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Collins Kim Collins, aged 38, ran a personal best 9.96 seconds in the 100 meters this year. That made him one of the top 10 sprinters in the world this year. His first major title? 11 years ago. I remember friends of mine at 21 who talked about how they used to be good athletes, back in their prime...at 17. Keep putting work in and you can get results.
/r/TheRedPill06/10/14 07:04 PM
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What's interesting to me is the ambiguity of "what women want in men." RP theory would predict that what a woman wants in a man is drastically different depending on what she wants him for. What woman wants for a FWB or one-night-stand is likely not Bill Gates. What a woman wants from a husband is likely not the unemployed drummer who has had 100 one night stands and is currently juggling three FWBs.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/14 06:55 PM
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What pseudoscience? Who said anything about inferiority?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/14 06:50 PM
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Reminds me of Purple Pill Debate and the incredible denial about this issue by Blue Pillers.
/r/TheRedPill06/10/14 12:41 PM
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Would hunter gatherers have been having a lot of battles? With a low population density and plenty of room to spread out, and I suspect no solid settlements wouldn't it be easier to walk away than risk your lives in a battle? I highly recommend "War Before Civilization" by Lawrence Keeley. Goes deep into this issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/14 01:11 AM
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Also when it comes to a purely biological perspective, wouldn't provisioning-type factors be part of genetics (I mean the ability to provide is definitely part genetic, perhaps the willingness to do it is also)? Human kids take an awful long time and a lot of effort to raise. Getting top attractiveness genes, but then having that man leave might mean your kid will not fare as well and even might die (and if the lack of provisioning was influenced by genes, it could mean the kids abandon their ow…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/14 09:24 PM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/14 09:22 PM
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That kind of lifestyle cannot sustain high population densities, and I wouldn't be surprised if there was a lot of infanticide going on back then. Unnecessary when infant mortality is high and a large percentage of your population dies in battle, as was the case for HG groups. Having lots of children, and beginning early, was simply the norm for most of human history. One only need to look at existing HG groups to confirm that. For instance, the !Kung people in the Kalahari desert typically marr…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/14 09:19 PM
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Re: peak fertility I see anything from 20-25 for peak fertility. That women would have the most sexual urges earlier than this peak makes sense, as it gives them the most time to produce children over their lifespan. This is also why, IMO, men are most attracted to women prior to peak fertility; mid to late teens. Even with fertility near peak in the mid-20s, it would make sense for a drop-off, as the decline is right around the corner. Securing provisioning prior to the decline is important; on…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/14 08:20 PM
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Where I agree: Most women do not have a Kim Kardashian butt. Many women are now surgically augmenting themselves to get a Kim Kardashian butt. While that might mean men on the internet accuse women with average butts of having "pancakes" it doesn't really affect our lizard brains. And our lizard brains have been attracted to pretty much the exact same thing forever: http://faculty.bennington.edu/~sherman/sex/whr-singh2002.pdf Most women can't compete with Kim Kardashian in the looks department; …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/14 05:45 PM
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I agree with your point. I was just dropping an interesting anecdote.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/14 05:30 PM
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I met a woman who slept with the Rock. Some women do dig extreme body builders. Some men dig women with Triple H augmented breasts. These people tend to be outliers.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/14 03:59 PM
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My opinion is that when women look for relationships many other factors might start coming into play (personality, how well he treats her, whether he can support a family etc.), on the other hand when women look for casual sex looks could play a far greater role. Maybe that's why there is a red pill debate over this. Agreed. When it comes to short-term sexual encounters, it's primarily about (1a) looks, and (1b) socio-sexual dominance. TRP plays down the importance of (1a), but it's there. A lot…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/14 02:20 PM
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I can confirm, I was misc
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/14 02:13 PM
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I like this. It's not just alcoholism, as a literal addiction to alcohol, it's the idea that you need drinks (as a social lubricant, to relax, to romance, whatever). I've got buddies who "go out for drinks" every afternoon after work and think that makes them Don Draper. They won't come to the gym, of course, and wind up with bloated faces and bodies.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/14 02:07 PM
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That's why Sean Connery couldn't ever get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/14 01:51 PM
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Looks aren't as important for men, but they are still very important. Fat guy wasn't going to get laid, no matter how many dates were agreed to.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/14 01:50 PM
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Partially agree with you here. It's not that "any" theoretical population decline is a demographic crisis. It's that actual population declines are demographic crises. With economies/systems that rely on certain things that only growing or stable populations can provide, that's just what you get. That's a whole 'nother issue, however.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/14 12:23 AM
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Meh, again, I only partially agree. I don't think most women find the Rock's build as more sexually attractive than Connery's in that picture. Marilyn Monroe would be a top 10% today. As would Jayne Mansfield. And so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/14 10:53 PM
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Good call. Marilyn Monroe had a 22 inch waist with 35 inch hips at a weight of less than 120 lbs (and 5'5); for some reason, she's held up as a model of when 'larger' women were celebrated for their beauty. Unfortunately for most people who favor cultural explanations of everything, women and men have largely found the same basic things sexually attractive for the past 150,000 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/14 10:50 PM
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I agree with the drift of your post to an extent, but I maintain that there were no "good old days" that women got gushy - sexually ignited - by the average male. Women 50 years ago probably pair bonded with less attractive men more easily, however. Marlon Brando is better looking and has more "Game" (socio-sexual dominance) than +95% of men. That was true in 1955 and it's true today. Sean Connery as a young man: http://img.izifunny.com/pics/2012/20121205/640/young-sean-connery-5-pics_4.jpg Thes…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/14 10:00 PM
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Given the way the marriage market works, I would guess close to all of them. I think they'd rather wife up Alicia Keys than Annie Average, if all other constants were equal (and, to be honest, would probably rather do so even if Annie Average was a better catch in nearly every relevant characteristic other than looks). But I think the average looking man is fine with marrying the average looking woman, because he's still attracted to the average looking woman. And I think the average looking wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/14 09:19 PM
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I'm interested in seeing those stats. My anecdotal evidence has been that when a man is more than 5 years older than the woman, the marriage is extremely stable. This could just be the culture/location I come from though.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/14 09:05 PM
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She's just not that into you
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/14 09:01 PM
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Japan has done a fairly good job in placating betas, while Pakistan has not. Instead of concentrating sexual power in the hands of a few men, Japan has found a way to make a huge chunk of men unconcerned with actual sex. Give them porn and video games and they drop out of the game. They remain career-oriented, though. So it works in the short term. The problem in the long term is obviously the coming demographic crisis, but that's another matter
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/14 08:58 PM
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Actually my interest in my husband skyrocketed when he told me he wanted to be married and have kids and not fool around for the rest of his life. And it wasn't AF/BB because I was super young, not riding the carousel, or any of that. But maybe I'm an outlier. I like stability, as long as it goes hand-in-hand with a guy who's funny and good looking enough. I definitely oversimplified the issue in my post. men also want the top 20% of women Definitely disagree if that means men only want the top …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/14 08:54 PM
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r/justneckbeardthings
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/14 08:30 PM
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I agree that socially-enforced monogamy has a lot to offer as a social stabilizer. Most TRP men, in my opinion, are not really concerned with this larger dynamic. Furthermore, there's a distinction to be made between "women being pressured into monogamy with average joes" and "women getting gushy over average joes." There's some complex stuff here - a 20 year old virgin marrying an average joe in 1800 has a better chance of pair bonding with him than a 34 year old carousel rider in 2014 - but th…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/14 08:29 PM
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Troll, I think. But...I'd be radically skeptical about the authenticity of this post, but Davidson has put forward some powerful arguments about radical skepticism, of which I'm sure Theskepticalthinker is aware.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/14 08:02 PM
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RP, though I don't like venturing in TRP sub because of the extreme whininess of most of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/14 07:32 PM
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Is Supreme Gentleman at all way related to Le Neckbeard? Elliot Roger, who complained that women didn't like him despite the fact that he was a "supreme gentleman." Exactly. This is one of my main issues with TRP is that many members appear to go against the beliefs of the sub and get all morally superior about who women choose while still believing they are free to make their own sexual choices. It's very strange. I see posts to the effect of "Well, you shouldn't have gotten all wet over that a…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/14 07:25 PM
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Sure, I think a lot of guys on that sub miss the ball on the issue of morality when it comes to attraction because of a mistaken understanding of "Dark Triad" and 'goodness.' Just to pull an example out of a post I made about "shit tests": Girl: "You're a jerk!" punches arm and laughs Guy 1: "You're right, I'm terrible. I guess that means you can't keep your hands off of bad boys like me" flashes shit-eating smile Guy 2: "I am not. I'm actually a supreme gentleman and I think I have consistently…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/14 07:22 PM
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Pretty not RP. Attraction is not a choice Sexual market value (genetic imperatives) is amoral Being a "nice guy" is not sexually attractive Worshiping beauty leads to poor choices (something most RPers are guilty of, but I still think it's weak sauce and at odds with core RP tenets.) As noted in the comments, he sounds a lot like the Supreme Gentleman in many ways. Reeks of insecurity and self-hatred, truly believes that women are supposed to be attracted to certain men - that there's a moral pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/14 07:07 PM
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Just to keep this in view of everyone: Under the California rule, a rape/sexual assault is determined to have occurred as soon as affirmative consent is not present. That means the rape/sexual assault does not occur when: Negative indicators of consent are present/affirmative indicators of a lack of consent are present Another party is aware of a lack of consent This is why it's mindblowing that people are saying: it's easy to tell when someone freezes up, that's easily distinguishable from some…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/14 05:41 PM
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That's the problem: the rape (/sexual assault) occurs the very second one person no longer consents. What this law is saying is that the rape does not occur when one person revokes that consent with body language indicating a revocation of consent. The rape also does not occur when another person recognizes an indication of the revocation of consent. If Person A is on top of Person B (who is prone on the bed) and is performing a variation of doggy style, the rape occurs as soon as Person A has f…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/14 05:06 PM
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Young marriage is a huge factor in the divorce rate stats, but I wonder if it's broken down anywhere for: Two young people One young person, one older person My (totally unconfirmed) suspicion (based purely on anecdotes) is that the latter marriage is significantly more likely to be stable.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/14 04:20 PM
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Red pill. USA citizen. 30 years old. Non-fratter. Two humanities degrees, one humanities masters degree, one doctorate. Married. My social scene is varied. Tend to hang out with people who share my athletic interests (so they tend to be black, fairly conservative on most social issues, red pill-leaning) and my intellectual and musical interests (white, liberal on most social and economic issues, blue pill hardliners). I mix with both reds and blues. However, my experience is limited to the Ameri…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/14 04:09 PM
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I don't think most guys over the age of 25 are sexless virgins. As detailed above, I'd guess the average guy (the bottom 70-80%) have partner counts that are nearly identical to the number of long term relationships they've had. They meet, court, and then date women who want to reserve sex for long-term relationships. The top 20-30% of guys have an n-count that far outpaces their number of long-term relationships. These guys are the "mistakes" and "lapses in judgment" women talk about (Cherise C…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/14 03:57 PM
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You talk about how the distribution isn't even for men but a dedicated promiscuous woman can rack up more partners than a man, which would make it more uneven for women. Possibly. Certainly, the average woman is more attractive to the opposite sex than the average man. So, in theory, the average woman has more access to sex and thus a slutty "average" woman can rack up insanely high numbers. But I'm not sure that this isn't evened out by the fact that the average guy is still pretty unattractive…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/14 03:52 PM
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lol this dude keeps it coming
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/14 02:00 PM
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Please explain "ongoing" in this context then.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/14 01:59 PM
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You're being sarcastic, but you're saying: 1) Imagine a scenario that is statistically unlikely 2) Ignore that it is statistically unlikely 3) Doesn't that prove that N-count shouldn't matter? I didn't say there's no hope for the promiscuous unless you're a guy. I advise my little sister to avoid manwhores.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 10:46 PM
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If she has 21 partners: 42% of an STD 20% of having stayed in the same marriage for over 5 years 8% chance of being clinically depressed Only 32% chance of describing herself as "happy" Has a severe risk of marital infidelity It's quite possible that our made-up wife has evaded all the risks and is a fantastic partner; that's generally what happens when we make up people to support our prior beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 10:34 PM
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I think I can come up with something, given time. I'll report back.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 08:46 PM
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So Leo's first wife in The Wolf of Wall Street?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 08:05 PM
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The BP arguments here are predictable: 1) it's impossible to separate the causal impact of N-count from traditional religiosity, so it may not matter at all; 2) it's less important than RPers suggest 3) RPers are hypocritical about this issue, 4) Everyone's different, judge them individually, I know someone who has slept with 1540 people and is a great long term partner 5) and one simply shouldn't do it because it's wrong to judge people like that. Did I miss any?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 07:59 PM
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It's not my job to put my dick away. Not srs. Re-holstering pink pistol.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 07:46 PM
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Fast death or slow death. Your choice. (Full disclosure: that was a joke, I'm happily married.)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 07:45 PM
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Don't get married and this does not become a big problem. Don't get married. Don't get married. Don't get married. Don't get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 07:27 PM
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Yeah... I see "It's not my job to educate you!" all the time. And yet, the proper pronouns and adjectives shift constantly.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 07:06 PM
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No, I don't think you're wrong. But what I'm saying is there are tons of "contexts and situations* where perfect knowledge of the "intoxicating substance" rape law doesn't provide any real guide for how to act. That's troubling.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 07:02 PM
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"You want me, don't you?" Sounds a lot like the lyrics to "Blurred Lines", repeatedly blasted as "rapey" and indicative of "rape culture" and identified as "encouraging rape." So that only works if the person you're with does not think Blurred Lines is "rapey." He-said-she-said doesn't go anywhere most of the time, honestly. Not in courts, no. In kangaroo college courts, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 07:00 PM
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"I'm shitfaced and he's shitfaced....I guess we can bone? Or does my knowledge that he's shitfaced mean that I know he can't consent so therefore it'd be rape if we boned? Or does the fact that he knows that I'm shitfaced as well mean that it's okay, as we're mutually incapable of exploiting the other? Or does that just mean we're both guilty of rape? Will whether it actually was rape depend on something subsequent to the actions and intentional states of tonight: our feelings about the actions …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 06:54 PM
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Sure. But "legislative intent" is generally only reached when a statute is ambiguous. Judges will stretch what counts as "ambiguous" to reach a given result, no question. The problem is in setting up a legal framework that does not supply any predictive power for unexpected (or even expected) situations. Poorly worded, rushed, biased legislation tends to run into that problem often. Is "starfishing" a revocation of consent under the California law? Well, maybe yes and maybe no. How is a person h…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 06:49 PM
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http://i.imgur.com/rrLe319.jpg It's not just infidelity. STDs, depression, unhappiness. http://nationalmarriageproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/NMP-BeforeIDoReport-Final.pdf http://socialpathology.blogspot.ca/2010/09/statistical-adjustments-to-promiscuity.html http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/352992?uid=2&uid=4&sid=21104723503417 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16131411 The results of moderated multiple regression analyses revealed that a respondent's number of sexual partners, lev…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 06:37 PM
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So, basically, there is a question as to whether sexual partner number is actually able to measure future fidelity or if it's just a confounding variable for traditionalism. In which case, it would make more sense to do what I said you should do above - look for what kind of person your partner is, what they want out of a relationship, and their morals. Because there is an open question there, it makes no sense whatsoever to disregard the sexual history question. Person A: has slept with 43 peop…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 06:28 PM
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You can judge women for their sexual history, but you can't expect everyone will accept your judgement as a smart or efficient way to determine future character fidelity of a partner, when there are much better indicators, such as "Has your partner cheated in the past?" or "Does your partner have a pattern of selfish behavior?" Why doesn't weighing all of these, including sexual history, make for an efficient way to determine future activity? Why the false dichotomy between "sexual activity OR X…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 05:14 PM
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Interesting. I guess we could add another situation based on this train of thought: Person A has an IQ of 145; Person B has an IQ of 80. Both are 25 years old. However, the difference in the intellectual and emotional faculties of the two are as great as (or greater than) the differences between a 14 year old and a 40 year old in a hypothetical statutory rape case. Person A convinces Person B to have sex. They do. Is it rape? If statutory rape laws exist because one party's youth entails they la…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 04:36 PM
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I believe many states allow one party-consent to such videotaping. In those states, people (men and women) have the option to preserve evidence of the voluntary nature of a sexual encounter that they can later use if adversarial proceedings are ever initiated and such evidence could exculpate them. Isn't advising people in those states to do so equivalent to teaching people how to avoid being charged with (or convicted of) rape?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 03:28 PM
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Don't you think that would provide an extra level of assurance in "teaching boys how not to be accused of rape" ?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 03:20 PM
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I think the problem is we're not teaching boys how not to be accused of rape. We need to tell them not to drink, and not to put themselves in compromising or "confusing" situations (like dancing with strangers, one night stands, etc.) just in case. Do you think we should also teach boys to videotape all sexual encounters on their smart phones to have proof, if necessary, of the free exchange of consent?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 03:12 PM
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Actually laughed. Have an upvote.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 02:24 PM
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Thank you for the specific and thought-out responses.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 01:38 PM
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Neither was prevented from resisting using alcoholic substances, I think that's obvious from the fact they were both drinking. It's a lot easier to argue that it was intended to reduce resistance when it's one person persuading another to drink incessantly. So there's no such thing as "rape because one party was too intoxicated to give meaningful consent"; instead it's "rape because one party intended another party to become too intoxicated to give meaningful consent" ?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 01:31 PM
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Someone who thinks he is smarter than me with my doctorate will just shit on this in some illogical manner. Surely no one else here has a doctorate. Surely.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 01:28 PM
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judges are intelligent entities who can realize what I just said. They established beforehand the parameters of consent, so it's not rape. Judges are required to apply the law as written, not the law as intended. The law itself establishes what can not "mean consent." The law also requires "ongoing" affirmative consent. The law itself is foreclosing the possibility you're suggesting: prior establishment of consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 01:27 PM
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Why is it so hard to pay attention to what I posted? I'm saying that BPers are suggesting that someone can inadvertently/unintentionally rape another human being despite having perfect knowledge of the law having perfect knowledge of all observable actions of the other party It's not just about "each escalation." It's about the continued activity itself. Under the California law, each subsequent thrust theoretically requires renewed affirmative consent. How does that work in practice? The proble…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 01:24 PM
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Probably not. She probably won't need it though, as she used to have a little, but now she has a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 09:09 PM
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If they were coerced into it by physical threats then it was not a voluntary act, and therefore rape. Will any of these count, or is it only "physical" threats? "I'll break up with you if you don't have sex with me." "I'll tell your mom about the check you forged if you don't have sex with me." "I'll make up a rumor about you and tell it to your friends if you don't have sex with me." "I'll freeze the checking account if you don't have sex with me." "I won't take out the trash any more if you do…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 08:44 PM
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Well, are you asking: 1) If she's more or less likely to sleep with you if you let her crash at your house? 2) If it's "okay" to let her sleep there, even assuming she'll find you less attractive if you do so? 3) If it's "okay" to let her crash, even assuming she won't be attracted to you no matter what? I believe TRP is only equipped to answer the first question. My guess is that it will only better your chances of sleeping with her if you let her crash there. (2) and (3) are questions that are…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 08:26 PM
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I know you're trolling, but, for the record: this is absurd.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 08:16 PM
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Why would wealth inequality equal "red pill" ?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 07:52 PM
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I help guy friends move. I help females I know move. Are you asking if it is morally acceptable under RP tenets? I don't see why not. RP, as an attempted description of inter-gender dynamics, would say: being beta bucks will not make a woman more attracted to you. If you don't care if she's attracted to you, and just want to help her move, why not? RP is not a moral system. It's not telling you whether or not you should make women attracted to you. It attempts to tell you what will make women mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 07:47 PM
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You're assuming, in the OP, that I believe there's nothing wrong with it. I disagree with those who believe there's nothing wrong with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 07:39 PM
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I have no idea. I was just told that Gloria Steinem and Simone de Beauvoir are irrelevant to modern feminism and their statements about what females should be allowed to do are thus out of context in a discussion about feminism. By that metric, what the heck do I have to do with the thoughts of random TRPers? Wouldn't it be more appropriate to ask RPers on PPD about something Rollo Tomassi has to say?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 07:20 PM
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" Lack of protest or resistance does not mean consent, nor does silence mean consent. Affirmative consent must be ongoing throughout a sexual activity and can be revoked at any time. The existence of a dating relationship between the persons involved, or the fact of past sexual relations between them, should never by itself be assumed to be an indicator of consent." Consent must be ongoing throughout entire encounter. Past sexual behaviors are no guide to present consent. Silence/non-resistance …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 07:16 PM
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I think there's something wrong with disliking an entire gender. Am I no longer RP? Very confused.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 07:07 PM
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You completely ignored what I said. I said: It is impossible to know, in this scenario, whether you have raped someone. Even if you videotaped the whole thing, with 9 bishops verifying the authenticity of the tape, and had a sworn statement from the victim about the prior agreed-upon mode of consent - you could not ascertain whether or not you have raped someone. Can you think of any other crime wherein a person can commit the crime, with full knowledge of both the law itself and all relevant, o…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 06:54 PM
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Seems like evolution would dictate that the most successful societies would reflect the most successful adaptive behaviors, so what societies are most successful and are they more red pill? If not, why not? Looked at as a whole, yes. Looked at out of context, no. Most Western countries have below-replacement level reproductive rates. The only thing keeping the USA above replacement level is our illegal immigrant population. Almost all of Europe is below replacement level. That means they are shr…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 06:34 PM
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You're suggesting other things that work as body language consent. I'm talking about things that could work as body language consent OR as the absence of affirmative, ongoing consent. If the things I'm suggesting can suggest both consent and its absence, and prior agreements don't matter, then these are modes of consent which California is effectively saying "don't use" because of the ambiguity.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 06:28 PM
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redpill is a cult which worships vanity and selfishness, and thinks that happiness can result from those things. Really?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 05:03 PM
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"[Housewives] are dependent creatures who are still children...parasites." ~ Gloria Steinem, Do you know who Gloria Steinem is? Is she influential enough in contemporary feminism?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 05:00 PM
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"WOULD any ordinary SO actually REVOKE CONSENT if you were adhering to the above, especially after point C? No. Just like how no ordinary person would frame you for attempted murder or possession of CP." The point is that this law makes it impossible to predict the legal consequences of one's own actions even if you have perfect knowledge of: the law the prior agreement of the parties the objective, observable actions of the victim The point is not that someone can use this law to "frame you for…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 04:56 PM
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Her final conclusion would probably be if we removed law and order and the pretense of civilization, more men than a few would rape. I can't say I disagree. History shows that. It's impossible to put numbers to it, but there are some great books about prehistoric war that get into this. One in particular is "War Before Civilization" by Lawrence Keeley. He found that one constant throughout otherwise disparate cultures is one manner of raiding wherein one tribe/group would attack another, kill th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 04:26 PM
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The socio-economic effects and motivations are often totally ignored in these conversations. Thanks for bringing them up.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 04:05 PM
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" No woman should be authorized to stay at home and raise her children. Society should be totally different. Women should not have that choice, precisely because if there is such a choice, too many women will make that one. It is a way of forcing women in a certain direction." Simone de Beauvoir.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 04:00 PM
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Thanks. For various reasons, I deleted my last account (Agharta10), on which I had posted a few things on TRP. My biggest one was "The Problem That Has No Name: Feminism Has Been Worse on Women." Resurrected. Big fan of your posts, btw.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 03:55 PM
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u aware?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 03:38 PM
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Meh, whether he's serious or trolling, he's a lot like a ton of exiles from PUA-hate and the Misc. (of bodybuilding.com). "Why lift when it's all about the face?" and all that. I do laugh at some of his stuff ("80% of us are genetic trash!"), but it's the same lulz that most of those self-loathing clones from the other sites are like.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 03:37 PM
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Example one: grab her hair, pull her head close to your lips, and whisper, "Tell me how much you want me." You could have included a TRIGGER WARNING in your post. You know, because of its similarity to these notoriously triggering lyrics; I know you want it, But you're a good girl, The way you grab me, Must wanna get nasty, Go ahead, get at me"
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 03:29 PM
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A) body language Same problem as above. If the 'body language' is passive in nature - which it can be for involuntary moans, relaxation, signs of physical arousal, signs of orgasm - then it does not count as "affirmative" ongoing consent, right? So if Person B is positioned behind Person A, engaging in doggy-style intercourse, and Person A is wet and moaning but remaining still (cause that happens in sex often), Person A has not exhibited any body language which is affirmative, ongoing consent. …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 03:22 PM
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Exactly. That's why "body language" cannot count as ongoing affirmative consent. There's no practical way to distinguish between a moan which is an involuntary signal of arousal (unaccompanied by any external indication of non-consent) and a moan which is a voluntary display of ongoing affirmative consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 03:08 PM
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Why is flirting childish? I'm a RPer who doesn't view "shit tests" as negatives. They are a pretty standard method of female flirting. Her: "You're a jerk! punches arm" Him: "Yeah, I'm terrible. In fact, I stepped on a puppy on the way over here. flashes shit-eating grin" vs. Her: "You're a jerk! punches arm" Him: "No, I'm a supreme gentleman and I look forward to demonstrating that kindness to you. srs face" Let's say the 2nd answer is more "honest." It's still less flirty. To me, this is just …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 03:05 PM
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C) discussion pre-initiation on how consent should be performed to satisfy both partners But just as consent (agreement between the parties) can be revoked at anytime without any external indication, the agreement between the parties as to what constitutes "consent" can itself be revoked at any time without any external indication of consent withdrawal. I made my own post about this, but here: At Time X, Person A and Person B agree that if Person B is 'riding' Person A, Person A can indicate con…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 02:55 PM
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The TBP sub is far less jaundiced about relationships on the whole. Most of TRP is fairly whiny.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 02:36 PM
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Camile Paglia is a rape apologist who does not understand that the most dangerous place on the planet is an affluent, modern, Western university filled with those of the highest SES of one of the most developed countries in the world, where rates of rape have been falling precipitously for decades. Not srs.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 02:34 PM
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I'm extremely confused by the BP answers saying "Discuss it beforehand to decide how consent should be performed." One essential element of the California rule is that prior consent does not imply future consent So let's say Person A and Person B agree at Time Y that consent can be "performed" by affirmative body language and/or lack of resistance, and then Person B responds at Time X with affirmative body language and a lack of resistance.... Person B has not necessarily consented. Furthermore,…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 02:29 PM
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