Why do Bluepillers object so stridently sexual realpolitik?

rulenumber303 · 2015-02-21T02:59:55+00:00

Everyone gets upset about people discussing sexual partnering in the bluntest of terms, it is just different things they get upset about. If a woman, for example, were to inform reddit she had told her daughters never marry a poor man unless you are absolutely sure of him because at least with a rich man you'll get a payout to make up for your time and effort, and that you might as well extend that to never even give a poor man your time in any way unless he's been dot on point in everything, I'm sure there'd be intense whining sounds coming from those who frequent TRP.

OfSpock · 2015-02-20T21:28:36+00:00

Since I'm not Indian nor do I personally know any, I stay out of subjects like this.

TheChemist158 · 2015-02-20T20:21:31+00:00

My objection is the way they seem to imply there is objectivity to you. Red Pillers seem to think you can get two lines of people, one men and one women, have them fill out a survey, and then can be ranked from the best partner to the worst. Fact is that different people have different tastes. What is perfect wife material for one man is an insufferable woman for the next. I'm not opposed to the idea that Susie would date Chad but not Nick. What I oppose to is the idea that Chad is more inherently date-able than Nick, that his SMV is higher. Even if you try to quantify it you run into problems. Say that Chad is your stereotypical alpha/frat boy douche. He can get a lot of women at a party, much more than Nick. But which it to a different setting with a different kind of woman, and Nick may be much more popular, or he might be able to get women that he genuinely enjoys more. It's also pretty annoying how TRP seems to rank women, first and foreman, by looks. Personality is a pass-fail test of "are you a bitch" and the rest is "how hot are you". I've had more than my fill of conversations where they insisted that none of my emotional, financial, or intellectual self-improvements mattered; that once I get past 30 no man will care about my Ph.D. or large income.

autoNFA · 2015-02-20T22:44:32+00:00

My parents were arranged, and are still happy together, so I have first-hand knowledge that it can turn out well. However, I don't think your reasons are good ones. It's not just Indians who have to put a lot of effort into themselves before they can pull quality tail, it's other minority men too. I think your approach in this from a fear-based mindset, and you're only choosing this option because you're afraid of the alternative. That's the kind of thing that eats you up inside. Are you in shape? Are you stylish? Do you have clarity of vision? What values are you looking for?

MissPearl · 2015-02-21T02:51:55+00:00

Uh, here's a weensy little tip.

If you make achieving "manhood" hinge on losing your virginity or getting into a relationship, you are preemptively succeeding yourself to women. Even beyond the RP beta characterisations, you are buying in whole hog to a particular form of baggage men are stuck with- that man is nothing without a woman.

It doesn't matter if you think we are goddesses or subhuman pig people, giving us that much power over you is setting yourself up to be unhappy. We won't make you complete. We are often fun, pleasant human beings, but we don't deserve to be made unilaterally responsible for your development unless you like being a potential hostage.

Seek sex because if feels good. Seek companionship because someone compliments your life. But for heaven's sake, quit acting like you are not a whole person until a woman blesses you.

Will_Im_Not · 2015-02-20T19:36:27+00:00

I told them that I plan to get an arranged marriage. They asked why. I responded that "it's my best chance of finding a woman who's into me, shares my values, and attractive."

I'm not very familiar with arranged marriages but how would it make it more likely that you find someone who meets those criteria? It seems kinda arbitrary who you end up with, based on the whims of both party's parents.

taiboworks · 2015-02-20T21:12:23+00:00

Only one of my friends responded: "Well, he's got a point. I mean, American women don't like us very much, so arranged marriage is probably our best option."

interracial marriage is rare (like one percent or less of all marriages) for all racial groups. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interracial_marriage_in_the_United_States

__Atton__ · 2015-02-20T19:32:58+00:00

TYPO: there should be a "to" in the title.

pandorarosie · 2015-02-20T21:49:57+00:00

I've seen other people say that talking about things like "SMV" is "autistic."

Can you explain this one.

Agharta15 · 2015-02-20T19:33:01+00:00

So first, story time! My friends and I (in this particular situation) are young Indian men on the threshold between boyhood and becoming men. ... American women don't like us very much, so arranged marriage is probably our best option."

You will be accused of being IRT. Just warning you.

midnightvulpine · 2015-02-21T08:00:28+00:00

Perhaps those who talk about such things being 'autistic' say so because things like SMV and SMP are trying to put numbers on something that's highly subjective. One man's ten is another man's five, after all. As much as some guys will agree on aspects of women they find enjoyable aesthetically, views are broad.

Personally, I find the idea of arranged marriages questionable. Assuming the woman has little choice in the matter, it's not the best way to kick off a happy marriage for both partners. After all, the point of the arranged part is lack of choice and, one would imply, lack of love, lack of certainty of chemistry or attraction. Things that leads to divorce. Or failing that, anger, upset, resentment and other negative things.

As to 'realpolitik', I find it depressing when people apply it to things that are inherently injected with emotion. And which rely on emotion. Even 'just sex' is suffuse with emotion. That's part of what makes it good. So trying to drain that out of it seems wrong.

l______o______l · 2015-02-21T16:56:55+00:00

I never said anything about adversarial relations

If an arranged marriage is your preferred choice because it may net you a woman you could never attract naturally, surely it is by nature adversarial/imposed?

The reason culturally indian men struggle so much to get laid is they are often creepy, pushy, inappropriate and perverted, plus conservative and misogynistic. Presumably this is a result of a sheltered childhood with limited or no sexual experience.

Fully westernised liberal indian men dont tend to have these problems.

Title	Why do Bluepillers object so stridently sexual realpolitik?
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Date	February 20, 2015 7:29 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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