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Which studies show that it doesn't work? Because for many illnesses, they do work quite well.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 07:02 PM
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They think therapy, the most effective treatment for many mental illnesses, is bullshit. They call men who suffer from these illnesses weak. They tell them tyo fix it themselves. TRP reinforces the traditional 'stoic men' gender role, which can be harmful in these situations ('toxic masculinity').
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 07:51 AM
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medically trained psychiatrist. In most cases, no they are not. Gay conversion therapy isn't widely accepted, nor even allowed in many countries due to the harmful effects of it. Almost any medically trained psychiatrist worth a damn would not do this kind of therapy. It's pseudoscience. It exists because there is a market for it (religious pressure is a powerful thing).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 01:41 PM
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Except I didn't take anything from the Red Pill. I don't consider it an effective way to approach dating and relationships. I also didn't assume that the bad parts are 'proper' redpill. I mean that the Red Pill has a significant following that portrays and strives for those bad parts, which reflects on the 'movement' as a whole. I don't care what the ideal Red Piller may be.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/17 03:40 PM
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...Did you respond to the wrong comment?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/17 03:36 PM
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Not bad for a set of ideas that most people shun without even considering. Because it aren't those ideas that people have issues with. It's the rest of TRP, which makes TRP TRP. Heck, the list you made is pretty non-RP as well. Except for 'the red pill'.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 03:31 PM
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...You ruined Disney for me. You monster.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/17 07:13 PM
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Don't forget about Tiana in Princess and the Frog.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/17 05:06 PM
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..And more expensive, far harder to hide etc. Dildoes are great since they are cheap, easy to use and easy to hide.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/17 06:21 PM
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The reason for that is that TRPers tend to be generally of middle class or even working class (mostly around middle class though), whilst BPers tend to be around UMC or even in some cases of UC. Do you have any data for this? Or what did you bade this on?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/17 10:23 AM
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Do you like the idea that more people's lives are ruined? Because making being transgender a mental illness again is asking for lots of people to kill themselves over time. Be willfully ignorant all you want on this subject, but you need to realize that that ignorance can hurt people greatly.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/17 06:42 PM
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It was just an example. Most people aren't full introverts or extroverts, but simply lean more towards one of the two. Like any other personality trait.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 05:36 PM
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Oh, I hope you are feeling okay about it now! Definitely. It's part of who I am, just like I am introverted. No need to worry about that. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 02:52 PM
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It kinda is, the divide is simply for what aspect 'dominates' your personality. The MBTI scale does give a scale for introversion/extroversion, for an example. Getting above 51% Introversion means you are an Ixxx according to that scale.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 02:47 PM
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An introvert can learn to manage his (social) energy and still participate in dating and work to succeed. You just need to mentally plan ahead a bit when it comes to this so you will have enough time to recharge your energy. Introverts can still be social animals.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 11:41 AM
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Could you elaborate as to why? in what ways is introversion a death sentence for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 11:26 AM
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Fair enough, but by saying it is a defect and that introverts are defective it may put people who are struggling with it more in a victim-mindset. That what they are is 'wrong'. As someone who struggled with discovering being gay 10 years ago, that sense of being 'wrong' or 'defective' was a very negative experience and not helpful at all. I think it is much better to stay more realistic; That there is nothing wrong with being an introvert, but that it does make some things more difficult in our…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 11:23 AM
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That doesn't mean being an introvert is being defective though, which was the claim you made.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 10:59 AM
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Wrong. Introversion isn't a defect at all. It's just that a lot of our society rewards extrovert behaviour, which makes it look as if introverts are defective. Introversion on itself is just a way how a person regulates his (social) energy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 10:46 AM
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The thing is that there are like 2% intros in the population It's actually estimated that 25-50% of all people are introverts. It isn't rare at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 10:33 AM
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You cant understand the death sentence that introversion is for men It isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 10:31 AM
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You are submitting to the will of his penis being shoved into your mouth. Most of the time receiving a blowjob is the submissive act. Women put your penis in their mouths, not the other way around. Things like 'throatfucking' turn that dynamic around, but the average blowjob puts the man in the submissive position. You are at the mercy of the woman, who has control over your sensation. It's the same as eating a girl out. Or rimming, if that is your thing. ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/16 10:52 AM
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My guess is that most BPers don't change to fit the women they like, but that they seek/find women that fit them as is. That's a very important distinction.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 07:27 PM
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I'm banned from a few subs sadly. Askwomen, Askmen, I think either the depression or anxiety sub banned me. Anyone who subs to TRP even just to lurk and troll gets banned from Confession and Offmychest. TRP has a reputation and some subs do ban people in advance due to that. Their subreddit, their rules I guess. Askwomenadvice say my neurosis and obsession is above their pay grade. Because it is. That's actually a very reasonable and realistic response. TRP thinks i'm.a beta pussy. That's becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 07:42 PM
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it got downvoted and ignored ...Like most posts and threads on most forums? That truly is no indication of anything at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 07:30 PM
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Yes, it is. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't want things to change. If I am horribly treated, why would I want that to continue for other people as well? What are the benefits of that?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/16 08:51 AM
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Because you don't want others to receive the same shitty treatment as you did?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 08:14 PM
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I'm not familiar enough with the UK situation to comment on that, to be honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 05:36 PM
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It does happen in reality. I give you the former USSR. "We pretend to work; they pretend to pay us." That was communism. Not 'the left' as we are currently discussing. Your way's been tried. It utterly failed in 75 years. I live in the Netherlands. It works quite well. Why should I take a "bare minimum"? I want a luxury apartment and a Cadillac. You have to give it to me, and you owe it to me. Anything less is "unfair". It's not fair that someone else has more than I do. Everyone needs to have t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 05:13 PM
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Why should I earn money to pay taxes? I'll just hang back and let all of you provide for my "given" standard of life. If you are happy with the bare minimum, be my guest. I'm not saying that what is provided is a jackpot. Just that it will keep you floating when you need it the most. Everyone can get a serious illness. Everyone can lose their job. Everyone can be involved in an accident that cripples them. Should these people be left to their fate because they had bad luck? IN fact, why should a…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 05:08 PM
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Where's the money going to come from to house/clothe/feed them? Taxes. Shouldn't they be hospitalized? And who pays for that then? Shouldn't they be jailed? And who pays for that then? Hospitalization, health care and jail are very expensive. It's most likely cheaper to help them out to an extent than to deal with the consequences of ignoring to help them. Aside from that, I'd rather live in a country where I pay more tax and a standard of life is a given (you can always end up in a bad situatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 04:59 PM
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There are bears, otters, cubs, pups, wolfs, bulls, (gym) bunnies/rats etc. It's like a zoo out there!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 05:57 PM
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To be fair, that's only a part of the 'gay community' (ugh, such an ugly term). If I am not mistaken, that app is called 'Growlr', which is aimed at men with a certain bodytype. In this case, muscled/masculine. Gay men also have a huge diversity in appearances, just like straight men. Don't fool yourself into thinking that 'we' got it all figured out.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 05:38 PM
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Not always opposite, just that a lot of TRP is incomplete or otherwise flawed.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 02:00 PM
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No, no and no.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 04:53 PM
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Still, it's about hormones. The theory suggests that I have been exposed to a lot of testosterone and that I would be more masculine as a result. But, that's not the case. It's a theory that has some backing, but it is definitely not foolproof. Surely not the first thing to look at in situations like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 03:35 PM
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Is your index finger longer or shorter than your ring finger. This will tell you how much androgen you we're exposed to in utero The 2D:4D digit theory doesn't always hold up though. For an example, my ring finger is quite a bit larger than my index finger and I'm a quite feminine gay male.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 03:28 PM
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I'm all for teaching kids manners and the value of money, but to teach a 6 year old that men have to pay for women they love is ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/16 08:04 PM
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I probably falsely accused the guy and look what has happened. Maybe, just maybe, you lost him due to this and not due to the Red Pill. If such a hateful place didn't exist, people like me would have no reason to be in fear and paranoid. That fear and paranoia isn't the fault of TRP either. I am fearful for many things, but realize that most of these fears are my own (irrational) issue. Needles and dentists aren't to blame. ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 07:19 PM
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I think this is how many men of TRP think about emotions, as they try to remove emotions from any possible action. It's all tactics and pre-planned actions. Of course I don't agree with that, since as you said psychology is a thing. Emotions are very important when it comes to relationships. But TRPers are often pretty ignorant when it comes to psychology.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 03:12 PM
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Because TRP tries to create an objective formula to success and emotions are too subjective to be a part of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 09:26 AM
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As long as he keeps his beliefs out of educating the children, I wouldn't alert the school. I might not like him personally, but he may still be a great teacher.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 11:05 AM
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If you don't subscribe to TRP, what would have to happen to make you adopt the ideology? I'd actually have to see it around me in a signifant amount of people. Currently, the descriptions of TRP for men and women only account for like 15% (which is already on the high end) of all people in my environment. As it stands now, TRP simply remains unconvincing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/15 08:56 PM
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I was comfortable with my SO alone the first few weeks of the relationship. I also liked to be alone with him during that time. However, I was not ready for sex with him yet. So your 3 statements aren't always equal. Being comfortable and liking being alone with someone does not always indicate an interest in sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/15 12:46 AM
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Tell that to a power bottom.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/15 01:14 PM
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Twinkiness is a body type. Just like 'otters', 'bears' and other silly descriptions. I think you are referring to a behavioural description (stereotype of a skinny, more feminine gay guy), while my post mostly referred to body descriptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/15 06:33 AM
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Are you sure about that? I see plenty of twink couples around me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/15 06:31 AM
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Only if you look at it like that binary 'masculine vs. feminine' way. In truth, plenty of gay relationships do not have a 'male' and 'female'. You could argue twinks are generally more feminine, but that does not mean they fill some kind of 'female' role that men desire. It's a different dynamic than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/15 06:31 AM
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No, they're in demand because many gay people like the twink-y physique. It's that simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/15 08:16 PM
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And yet 'twinks' (skinny/hairless) are also in high demand, as are 'bears' (overweight/muscled/hairy). So...not really. There is a subgroup in the community that puts a lot of value on masculinity, but it is hardly as if alphas rule the scene.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/15 05:51 PM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 04:10 PM
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It's Psychology. It simply attracts more women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 04:09 PM
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The internet invites the extremes and even warps rare occurrences to appear normal. I look at large Facebook pages and news websites as well in the Netherlands. The replies to articles about (for an example) the immigration issue suggest the Netherlands are a shithole filled with foreigners that is a direct threat to our lifestyle. It's nothing like that for the huge majority of people in their daily life though. Suddenly PPD feels like less of a cartoon world. Cartoons are all about exaggeratin…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 03:59 PM
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We don't know how gender identity is established in the brain exactly, so no. And they've tried it extensively as well already, so that's another no.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 06:10 AM
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Only as in the obsession and anxiety related to it. They're most likely not interested in truly discussing the actual theory with you, especially since many RP articles make no sense to 'outsiders' due to all the jargon that is used. I don't know how you discuss it yourself, but if you talk about it the same way as you write about it I'd also change the subject. No offence, but the amount of jargon you use is absolutely ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 05:46 AM
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I told you therapists are scared by my TRP knowledge, No, they seriously aren't. The last one who saw me print the Antibiotic Nuke basically had their eyes bulge for a min then tried to change the conversation. Because it's mostly nonsense that is irrelevant to therapy. They change the subject because they want to actually talk about stuff that matters for your problems. Your obsession with the manosphere/TRP is as relevant to therapy as another's obsession with writing a book after losing their…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 09:17 PM
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Why is the concept of a transman laughable to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/15 03:51 PM
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Only if there is only one way for B to happen. B could also be caused by C, D or E. A will lead to B in your example, but the presence of B does not automatically mean A happened as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 01:44 PM
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but my nan does say 'you've put on weight [fat]' as a compliment I assume you you are quite skinny then (so am I), so gaining a bit of weight is seen as a good thing. It has nothing to do with fetishizing weight. Especially not when it comes to what your grandmother says.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 06:47 PM
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You do realize that in real social experiments, you try to manipulate only one variable at a time, right? The 'paradigm shift' of TRP is an example of how not to do an experiment. Too many possible confounders if you change a lot of stuff at once.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/15 08:00 PM
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That's odd, especially since others can apparently see and upvote my posts. I'll see if I can find how to fix it, thanks for the heads up.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/15 07:22 PM
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MtF transvestites and FtM ones. Just a note for the future: You mean transsexual (bit outdated term) or transgender (mostly used). Transvestite refers to people who just dress as the opposite sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/15 02:43 PM
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Most of my dreams are about a combination of elements from the past few days combined in one whacky dream. I rarely dream about my wishes and desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/15 09:40 PM
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I thought it was used as one of the arguments for gay marriage I believe the argument in gay marriage is that a husband/wife has more rights regarding visitation. Without these rights, family members who are against the gay partner can effectively deny him/her from visiting their loved one.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/15 01:11 PM
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If you want all of that. Find a gay bottom. They love that shit. Probably because they are a man and they know how much they would enjoy doing something like that. Empathy makes the world go 'round. Can confirm. Am a gay bottom. (Seriously though, plenty of gay bottoms don't like facefucking etc. either.)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/15 08:26 PM
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Thanks for the links. Google translate has a lot of trouble translating the scribd info, but I'll try to make it work.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/15 12:55 PM
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Do you have a source for these bullet points? I translated the Feministische Initiativ website (I guess that's the party you are talking about) and I can't find several of the bullet points.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/15 12:41 PM
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Unfortunately men can choose this, while women can only feel this for however long the man can provide a certain thing for her. I disagree with that. I know it's a core TRP belief and we most likely won't convince each other, so I guess this debate will become kinda pointless.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/15 12:31 PM
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The key word here is "to YOU" .... This is the whole problem of the BP vs RP.... You judge a group of people based on ur views, thinking that a fuck is given about your views... And so does TRP. They constantly think that their views are the only ones and judge people who don't fit in that view. And you were the one who asked why you would want an LTR if sex was easily available. I gave my view. Don't throw a tantrum because I gave an answer you didn't like. Of course I give my own opinion, just…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/15 12:22 PM
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But is it honestly true from your experience men are the undecided, flakey party over women? Neither sex is undecided and flaky that much. I've seen men put little effort into their relationships and women as well, of course. I just don't see the huge difference between men and women in this regard. From not only my experience but constant reading, videos and other media women are always portrayed as unsure, or unaware of their own spirituality and have no solidity in their thought process in te…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/15 12:17 PM
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Except the RP view is the exception for me. I think this difference in perception is the major difference between RP and BP. Both happen, but both sides perceive it to be skewed in a certain way.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/15 12:03 PM
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If I can have sex with girls "consistently" base on skill, then what is the point of a LTR ? ...Relationships are more than just sex? Sex without the emotional commitment is boring to me. I enjoy sex much more in a relationship than in some casual setting.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/15 11:35 AM
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Relationships are harder for men than it is for women due to the fact men place more on their relations than women. Are they? Or do you think you may be slightly biased due to being a man?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/15 10:55 AM
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What if he is autistic and can't judge social cues that well? Is he a rapist? Then he should explicitly ask if he truly has that much issues with it and wants to be sure. You really don't have to be psychic at all. You initiate and if she immediately reprocates it's almost always consent. If you initiate and she hesitates, stop pushing (and if she initiates herself after that it's almost always consent). If you initiate, she hesitates and does not try to initiate anything herself, then she most …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/15 10:44 AM
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LOL "most men"? Give me that statistic Do you see the irony?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/15 08:37 AM
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If you say so.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/15 08:13 AM
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It isn't 'my community'. I don't even post or look on that sub so much anymore. My views are Purple-ish and I only identify as blue piller as a reaction to the extremity of TRP. I do post there occasionaly, but it's hardly 'my community', just like PPD isn't 'my community' even though I post here much more often.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/15 07:37 AM
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Why don't we ask for the opinion of men in such studies, I wonder? Could it possibly be that men's perspectives actually matter, and women have become less marriage-worthy due to obesity, Skrillez-haircuts, tattoos and inflated sense of self-worth? You want me to be employed to support you? well put down the Big Mac and realize you are no special snowflake. Or could it be both? That the perception of both women and men are flawed? That both men and women are less marriage-worthy?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/15 06:48 PM
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I've lost count of the posts that quote a RP poster with "haha he's probably gay" etc. Ugh...one of the most annoying 'jokes' on TBP in my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/15 06:46 PM
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One thing that I noticed a lot of blue pill guys do a lot is, at least in my discussions with them, to treat women as second tier adults I'm gay. I use the same argument when it comes to men and sex. If my partner seems hesitant or says no, I stop asking for it and let him approach me if he wants sex. That rarely happens since he has a higher libido than me, but the idea behind it still applies. My argument is not unique to women, not do I try to imply women are somehow 'second tier adults'. Bot…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/15 04:56 PM
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It's just another negotiation. But the implications are entirely different. If I stopped at the first no everywhere, I'd get nowhere in life. And I'm not talking about every situation. I'm talking about this one specific scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/15 04:33 PM
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Dude you completely missed the point. I gave my view on the matter. Maybe that's not the view you expected to hear or the answer you wanted to hear, but this was what came to mind for me. One of the main ways TBP often pokes fun at TRP is by claiming it is unsuccessful. And to do that, they say that every poster on TRP is probably some fedora-wearing virgin loser with no money and no charisma. And I disagree with that view as stated in my last paragraph. Hm please point me to a single sub that h…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/15 03:40 PM
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If you cease your advances and she approaches you and says yes, she wants to, that's quite a good indication that consent is truly given. Ive never threatened a girl with force nor would I ever. But after she says no and then changes her mind, as women do, how can I truly, 100% be sure know she means yes? You never know 100% for sure, but I'd rather miss out on sex once or twice than to risk having sex with someone while they actually don't want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/15 03:16 PM
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When you read about TRP in other subreddits you are bound to notice that nobody actually despises the ideal RP man. But most RPers aren't the 'ideal RP man'. Far from it actually. It's also the attitude and statements about women that RPers show that isn't needed at all to be a great, masculine man that gives TRP the mockery and ridicule across Reddit (it's not limited to TBP at all). No BPer here will argue that working out, reading, working hard, making money and looking good are a bad thing. …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/15 02:25 PM
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In your scenario she's literally giving consent but "doesn't really mean it". It's her responsibility to make her "yes" actually mean something. And it's the guy's responsibility not to overly pressure her. If she says no, then don't try to pressure her further into it. Let her make it a yes herself if she really wants it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/15 02:05 PM
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Yeah. 'The people who disagree with me must be ugly' can be seen from both sides at times, but it's one of the most childish arguments someone can make. It makes no sense at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/15 05:12 PM
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The average RPer? Average. Not that different from an average non-RPer.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/15 05:08 PM
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But isn't the TRP idea that attraction can't be negotiated like that?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/15 07:52 AM
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Transsexuals basically don't 'change' . They just alter their body to fit their mental gender. They perceive their body as an error, as opposed to most gay people being fine with being gay.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 06:42 AM
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Not for dread game, no. That's why I dislike dread game to begin with. There are plenty of other ways to attempt to solve problems though.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 09:32 PM
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Results do not always justify there methods.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 06:10 PM
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Then you are (on purpose?) misinterpreting what I am saying. I'd agree with you if you discussed it with your partner and broke up with her because you and her don't match on your desire. The method and behaviour was the issue in your last post. Not prioritizing yourself. That's totally fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 04:39 PM
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I'd say that is unacceptable. It's fine to have a problem with not having sex and wanting that to change, but to purposefully try to manipulate her into doing what you want is pretty shitty. Tackle those issues as a team, not as a selfish person. Why are you in a committed relationship otherwise?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 03:11 PM
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Depends on how you do it. I can't give an blanket answer without knowing the situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 02:43 PM
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It is essentially the exact opposite of TRP, and just from name alone, the Blue Pill is the exact opposite of TRP. Aren't their ideas also the complete opposite? This is a loaded question by the way, since to say that they are not opposite means that they are not, in fact, Blue Pill, but rather Red. BP is just non-RP. It is not the opposite of RP. Then... Isn't the BP Advice I laid out exactly what BP is since it is "anything that isn't" TRP? To put it differently, the advice OP put forth is wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 12:24 AM
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BP'ers in this very sub will tell you that putting your own needs above hers is emotional abuse. And the 'Strawman of the Day' award goes to...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 12:13 AM
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(Beliefs are purple, identify as BP due to oppossition of TRP as a sub-reddit) Combining both RP and non-RP into one coherent worldview (it's possible!) is better than focusing on one side only.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 12:08 AM
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The point is that if you just get angry, but don't do anything about it, people will notice that they can take advantage of you. Except who said I will let them walk over me? Getting angry at a coworker for lying about me will most likely only hurt my chances with other coworkers and my boss more than anything else. I'll make sure to let the others know what my side of the story is and in general my behaviour will clear up any misconceptions. If not I will confront that coworker, but I can do th…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 06:50 PM
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I don't hate RPers. Why would I? I dislike some of them more than others, sure, but I certainly don't loathe them. I loathe some of the views of TRP, but not the people behind it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 06:48 PM
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I'd just choose not to interact with you. I'd feel angry, but I wouldn't get mad at you or anything. I don't see the point in that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 03:57 PM
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...How is that relevant to daily life? Of course extremes will be different.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 03:37 PM
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Not really, since it is very easy for an individual to be nice to other people. Countries and governments involve countless people and creates much more difficulty to do so. I'm decent to everyone I meet. I see no reason why I shouldn't be and it is hilariously easy to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 03:22 PM
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I'm not a manipulative psychopath for talking to another chick in the hot tub when my girl is acting bitchy towards me and my friends It depends on your intent behind it. To make your GF jealous and make her feel bad? Then yes, you are manipulative. Temporarily not giving your GF attention because the atmosphere was becoming worse by talking to her and trying to change that? Not really manipulative, no.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 08:45 AM
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Let's start off with the Uninitiated Men, since this sub is dedicated to them: I find that the 'uninitiated' men come here and automatically start 'white-knighting' because this is how they've been taught by the media. They have not been initiated in the full ideas of both sides, but tend to lean on BP since it's the 'norm' nowadays, and therefore, they are the "purple" in this thread. They come here hearing about TRP and BP and are curious enough to read about it. Why? Because they don't unders…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 08:33 AM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 08:28 AM
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White men may lie for the same reason women are more inclined to lie about sexual subjects. Societal expectations and the stigma involved. White men are expected to provide in the traditional role, and failure to do so reflects poorly on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 07:25 AM
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That's about sexual subjects though and does not automatically generalize to surveys of other matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/15 10:33 PM
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I seriously wonder how we can all have such widely oppositional experiences... Dare I say it? 'People are different and have different experiences.' (NAWALT/NAMALT) It's that simple. I am not surprised at all by these oppositional experiences for that reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/15 10:02 PM
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Today I learned I am a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/15 07:59 PM
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Another interpretation is that women and black people are more realistic about their answers, while white men answer idealistically. It seems significant, but there is more information needed to do anything with this information.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/15 07:57 PM
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I guess I would if I met the right person, although in my situation it's a bit 'easier' since I could top for him if he doesn't have a functioning penis.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/15 07:16 PM
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You are right, I made a typo in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/15 10:53 AM
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Your mileage may vary I guess. Different people are more comfortable with different approaches.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/15 06:24 AM
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"Polite" screams boring. 'Polite' screams more like 'best fit for introverts' to me. I'd be a horrible physical and playful flirter and have been succesful so far with polite dating/flirting. I could see how an extrovert would dislike the 'polite' approach, since they flourish in more socially active settings and situations. They have to be more actively stimulated than introverts (in general).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/15 10:31 PM
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because you can't impose controlled and blinded experiments on an unbiased selection of human beings. You can though. There are plenty of methods with which you can greatly improve the reliability and validity of your social experiments. There's even the option for a 'Double Blind' setting, in which participants and observers both have no clue about the true intent of the experiment.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/15 10:19 PM
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Definitely the polite flirt (mixed with a bit of the sincere flirt), with one big exception to the explanation provided: I do not plan out my every move. Not even close to that, I generally don't plan ahead at all. I'm very polite and move 'slowly' with regards to dating/kissing/sex, but that does not mean I am planning strategies behind the scenes. I just talk to them, eventually go on dates with them and take it from there if there's a connection. Works wonders for me so far.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/15 10:06 PM
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I'd rather not see him do an AMA. He's potentially dangerous and we shouldn't give him a stage to make his delusions even worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/15 07:06 PM
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We learned something similar in pscyhology where if you first ask someone for a big favor (like staying at their place for a few days or helping you move) then they're more likely to say yes if you then ask them a small favor (like for a few bucks or a ride across town). Also the other way around. If you get someone to do a few small favours for you, they're more likely to respond positively to a big favour as well. 'Do you have a minute of your time?' is already a small example of this often us…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/15 07:56 AM
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Nope.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/15 06:15 AM
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I disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/15 06:05 AM
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Not everything is about sex and lust. I am also talking about every day life, not just relationships/ONS.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 09:37 PM
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Thanks for the link. I haven't read much about this, but it could be possible (although it is most likely not the only factor).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 08:02 PM
5

free testosterone what do you mean with 'free testosterone'?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 07:38 PM
5

When you take feminism and MRA and cut out all the self-loathing, which of these two groups is still lobbying around a legitimate social issue? Both are.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 07:16 PM
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I think BP thinking has effected some pretty harmful cultural biases I consider myself BP for the opposite reason. I believe that many ideas about masculinity in society (which the RP supports) are (or can be) harmful to men. I'd like to see a society with less emphasis on gender roles, whereas TRP wants a society with more emphasis on gender roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 07:14 PM
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You are expected to be intuitive and keen. Seriously. Exactly. This is expected in even 'simple' jobs as working in a callcenter. It's almost a basic requirement to apply for a job.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 07:03 PM
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Y'all must be drinking some heavy kool-aid if you can't even acknowledge that other's experiences can even happen. This may work with casual sex (although it's still a shitty move), but in a relationship that kind of bad behaviour will catch up to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 08:19 PM
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It's so gay that I (as a gay guy) don't even dare to do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 07:56 PM
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Is anal in general a 'homosexual act' as well then?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 11:01 AM
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Ah, I deleted it because it was a bit of a weird comment. But ah well, glad you learned something new!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/15 10:32 PM
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Why would anyone care about this?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/15 05:33 AM
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Ah, my bad. I'll not comment on this study since the full text is needed to verify the conclusions, since the abstract lacks some crucial points.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/15 09:50 PM
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It's somewhat curious there isn't any full text available, neither on PubMed as on other sources when I try to find it in the Databases of my university. Especially since the conclusion needs a lot of support from the method and results-sections, which are currently not present.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/15 05:09 PM
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I know. I just find it entertaining that I somehow am an outlier in this theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/15 06:35 PM
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I guess I'm an odd case here. I have a pretty low digit rate, while theoretically I should have a fairly high one when looking at the list of characteristics. Gay, relatively feminine, strictly monogamous, low sex drive. And yet apparently relatively high exposure to testosterone.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/15 01:17 PM
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A99%ALT
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/15 08:41 PM
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I have much longer ring fingers, am gay, pretty feminine and dislike casual sex and have a low sex drive. So much for that theory! ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/15 08:38 PM
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No. This has nothing to do with 'triggers'.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 09:33 PM
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If you face this much anguish from reading stuff on Reddit, I shudder to think how you deal with stuff you find offensive in real life. Only on PPD and only when it comes to these issues. I rarely get offended in real life because most people around me are much more considerate than RPers, nor do I get offended about other subjects since I am much more neutral about them. It's also limited to this subject matter. I've seen arguments like these eat away at a transgender friend who ended up in a s…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 08:00 PM
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Why do you feel that this is disrespectful? I believe it illustrates an important point, that some beliefs, while widely accepted by liberals, can be utterly idiotic. ...Because it is mocking transgender people who actually feel this way? Who struggle for years with these feelings? Who face a huge social stigma for being that way? Do you truly not see what's wrong with it? And why the downvotes? Do you really need to do that just to feel secure with your statements? Not my downvotes. I have only…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 07:57 PM
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I don't either. Comments like 'so if I feel like a t-rex, I should be treated like a t-rex' and similar ones are. Or that transitioning shouldn't happen because it is 'indulging their illness'.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 07:50 PM
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Accept the fact that you lost the debate, and own it like a man. It wasn't about that. It were the analogies and comments that were hugely disrespectful towards transgender people. I've had friends face these same arguments and it ate away at them. I'm not going to entertain RPers who show such blatant disrespect towards other anymore. I've been a fool for posting this much to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 07:43 PM
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Yes. I made a comment on why I deleted comments and that I won't be returning.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 07:30 PM
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Just want to say that most of the deleted posts in this thread are mine. This subject has made me realize that it is better for me if I abandon this subreddit as a whole. The opinions on transgenders of some RPers are hurtful to me, because I see the impact it has had on people around around me. It has destroyed a few lives around me and I am not going to entertain RPers who mock these people anymore. In any kind of debate. Feel free to make your own assumptions about why I am leaving ('Typical …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 06:14 PM
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Ah, you mean PPD in general. Thought you were talking about in this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/15 10:22 PM
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I really wish he had gotten help and found out that just because women can be shitty, manipulative, and illogical, it isn't the end of the world. This sentence implied that his discovery of the 'true nature of women' was one of the reasons for who he became. You may not have intended to say that, but that's kinda how you phrased it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 05:47 PM
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I strongly doubt it. His mental issues were way too serious and ingrained into his entire personality for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 05:45 PM
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That's because you take AWALT as some kind of uncontestable fact. It simply isn't. It's a reference point TRP uses and that is right on many occasions, but it strongly lacks any kind of validity to apply to all women. It's also wrong in many other occasions. If TRP could truly accurately predict the behaviour of all women, they'd have a much higher succes rate with women. It's still a numbers game for them, even though AWALT implies you should easily be able to get them all into your bed.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 05:19 PM
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I was being snarky and removed the comment. It's not what I believe and just tried to make a point with it. Apparently that did not work out as intended, so my apologies for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 04:43 PM
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I removed it because I thought someone else posted it as reply to another comment. I'll address the rest later. I don't believe ARPALT, just like I don't believe AWALT. I did it to illustrate a point.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 04:32 PM
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Edit :removed the snark, sorry. Will make a more serious reply later.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 04:26 PM
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... Thanks for illustrating my point. When TRP makes assumptions they are right and AWALT applies, but when I make assumptions about TRP I'm wrong and somehow NARPALT applies. Plenty of RPers are misogynistic and some even try to (emotionally) abuse women. Why can't I generalize that to ARPALT?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 04:25 PM
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So all RPers are misogynistic and abusive, but not all RPers voice or act on that. Believe what you want. NARPALT is never correct. Do you disagree?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 04:14 PM
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Then feel free to comment and correct where we are wrong. There are plenty of RP circlejerks on here as well, so don't act as a fucking victim here.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 04:08 PM
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I don't see your point? Men created a narrative where men are the stronger sex, so women and children are treated differently than men. There's no white-knighting for men because men don't think men need white-knighting. It's similar to the classic 'man up' phrase,which is mainly used by men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 02:40 PM
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But I meant, the effect of TRP on TBP discourse and reddit discourse to be far less femi-centric. I think you are overestimating the effect of TRP here quite a bit. The internet has always been less femi-centric, Reddit is just a bit more extreme at times. Even Reddit painfully acknowledges TRP works, but just dislikes the way its done. That's because most of what works in TRP is also known outside TRP. It's the shit surrounding that that always has given TRP its bad name, not the things as 'imp…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 11:55 AM
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You absolutely can, just not about all women. Exactly. Your ex-wife was a manipulative bitch that made your life miserable? Fair enough, shitty people exist! All (most) women are manipulative bitches that make the lives of men miserable? Hell no, get out of here with your misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 11:18 AM
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it's a feminine-centric narrative I'd say it's more of a masculine-centric narrative. 'Men are the stronger sex, it is our duty to protect the fragile women and children'. Even TRP shows signs of this with the idea that women shouldn't be allowed into the army because they're physically weaker (despite the many roles in the army that do not require physical combat that much).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 10:46 AM
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Pudding.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 10:43 AM
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I suspect this is because RP women are cognizant of and accept their AWALT tendencies and try to suppress them. RPW accept the RP narrative on AWALT and BP women don't? Shocking! Snark aside, what you're doing here is assuming that AWALT is correct and then saying how RP women are cognizant of this 'truth', while it may be very likely that AWALT is a flawed premise and that BP women are correct as well. Yes, I'm claiming NAWALT.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 09:30 AM
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That's what I find odd as well. TRP can make huge assumptions about women, but as soon as you generalize the (much smaller) community in TRP they are commenting on how false it is or how that's not the case at all! ARPALT, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 09:28 AM
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Fair enough. I just know that I strongly disliked both sides of the discussion after the shooting, but it's been a while so I am not sure about the details why.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 11:34 PM
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Almost any community was disgusting after the shooting. TRP and TBP were both awful about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 11:33 PM
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That's because he couldn't get access to his primary planned victims. He mainly targeted women and for some reason his male roommates if I am not mistaken. The sorority he targeted did not let him in or something. I'm fuzzy on the details. That's not to say men weren't a victim either (since 4 of them obviously were), but Elliot Rodger intended his shooting to be an 'action against women'. EDIT: Apparently he wanted to punish women for rejecting him and men for being more sexually succesful than…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 11:28 PM
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It's in the link of the OP: It's as if the lack of female attention has caused him mental illness Several comments in this linked thread seem to agree with that sentiment. I think this thread came from before the shooting, hence why I refer to the BP side specifically as 'post-shooting'.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 11:24 PM
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Both sides (RP and BP) had some very misguided opinions on Elliot Rodger in my opinion. The RP is wrong in that they think being unsuccesful with women caused his issues. He had mental problems, which caused him to be unsuccesful with women. Not the other way around. Especially since his 'SMV' was quite high by TRP standards. He'd most likely be fine if it wasn't for his thoroughly disturbed personality. The BP was wrong post-shooting in accusing him of being RP. He did share sentiments with the…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 11:18 PM
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I'm so edgy, pay attention to how non-conformist and deep I am Funnily enough, this sentence can also apply pretty well to TRP. Edgy language, trying to be non-conformist ('swallow the red pill') and trying to fit philosophy into their worldview to be seen as more deep and serious. This is partially in jest, but I found it entertaining how you brought that sentence into the conversation. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 10:45 PM
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Also bonus question for blue pill men. Do you dress up and groom well when you go out for "yourself"? Or to look better to others, particularly to members of the opposite sex? Definitely for myself. I am already in a relationship, so impressing other men isn't really a priority for me. And dressing nicely makes me feel better about my looks and in turn gives me a confidence boost. That it may look better for other men/women is a nice bonus, but not the intention at all. If the first question may…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 06:16 PM
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The horror!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 03:35 PM
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As a part of it, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 01:59 PM
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I also wouldn't want someone who is an actual leader at all times. I don't want to always lead, but I certainly don't want to always follow either. If my partners acts/is a leader and expects me to always follow him on his word, then he is not the right partner for me. He'll have to be able to remove himself from his leadership at times when I am more comfortable leading than him. That's my point: TRP often seems to suggest the man should lead about 99 to 100% of the time. I disagree with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 09:05 AM
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That's besides the point though. A leader still expects his 'subordinates' to listen to him. That is inherent to the description of 'leader': http://www.thefreedictionary.com/leader One that leads or guides. One who is in charge or in command of others. I wouldn't want to be with someone who considers himself to be the leader either. I want that dynamic to be fluid. I lead where I am more knowledgeable, my partner leads when he is more knowledgeable. When we both know much or little, we discuss …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 08:16 AM
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I'll try to pick my partners wisely and try to give him the best version of myself in the relationship. There isn't that much more you can do. 'Dread game' would make my current partner much more likely to either break up with me or to cheat. He doesn't like games like that. Then again, this is from a gay perspective (before I get shit on for not saying that again).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 08:09 AM
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Fair enough. So is "I will never follow a man", IMO, so I guess I stooped. She didn't say that. She said she would not want to be in a relationship with a man who acts as leader. Her point was pretty clear. She wants to be besides him in the relationship, not 'under' him. That doesn't mean she never listens to her husband or never accepts his proposals...it means she does not want her husband to think of himself as the 'leader' who leads her towards things. Other than the fact that I can't think…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 07:57 AM
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Suggesting things isn't the same as leading. She wants an egalitarian relationship, nothing wrong with that. Your post is pretty childish.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 07:15 AM
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Because you can utilize the good things of TRP without the 'toxic' aspects. It is unneeded.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/15 07:51 PM
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...And yet again: How do these traits relate to the criteria in the article. You can't just throw words around and expect that to be an argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/15 05:42 PM
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In what way are RPers like that? What kind of behaviour do they show to fit the criteria in your link. You are doing the same as many criticize TRP for. You are making claims, without building the arguments to support it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/15 05:23 PM
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You can't just throw a source into the debate without explaining how it relates to the current discussion. Why do you feel RPers are shy/covert narcissists? How do the criteria in your source apply to them? Make an actual argument!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/15 04:30 PM
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I have seen it, although in the context of virgin vs. non-virgin. Not a few partners vs. lots of partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/15 09:03 AM
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Ah, fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/15 08:52 AM
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Ah, okay. I've seen the same reasoning used by RPers as well, so I wasn't sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/15 08:29 AM
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Because it's mansub for men with manlanguage. Except most men don't talk like TRP do, with all the made-up jargon. That's TRP specific, not man-specific.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/15 08:09 AM
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I don't see where you got that from? We all want to feel loved if we are in a relationship, since we also love (and validate) the other person. Being in a relationship with a partner who didn't make you feel loved would suck. I think many BPers have issues with the way RPers handle that desire, as opposed to being against the desire itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/15 08:07 AM
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It isn't wrong, as long as it isn't taken to an extreme. Just like most other personality traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/15 08:05 AM
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Yup. You can say plenty of things about RPers, but calling them narcissists misses the mark by quite a bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/15 07:58 AM
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M'lady. ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/15 06:36 AM
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Copy-paste from an earlier post of mine on TBP: RPW want the captain/first-mate dynamic with a alpha man with a healthy dosage of beta, whereas TRP goes 'all-out alpha with a sliver of beta' in some kind of master/slave dynamic. I seem to agree with the moderate RPWs on PPD the most from all the people of the RP-side. /u/bakerofpie [+5] being a good example. TRP looks for a different dynamic than RPW in my eyes. The common 'blowjob and diner when I get home is all I need'-wishes from TRP seem to…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/15 06:45 PM
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But it's not like the BP is saying you shouldn't improve yourself. 'Just be yourself' does not mean 'just be exactly how you are and don't try to improve' (which is what the RP thinks it means as a BP strawman). Most people use it as in 'stick close to who you are and what's important for you, while improving yourself'. An example: I would fool myself if I tried the 'alpha tactics' of TRP. It's not who I am. It may work in the short term, but eventually it will fall flat because it goes against …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/15 05:49 PM
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Do you think a final understanding of the brain will be a less mechanistic understanding of human personality? You edited this in, so here I go: If we have full knowledge of genes and the brain, then you could discover the mechanics behind our behaviour with all the technology we have at our disposal at that time. In that meaning, you could say humans are like robots. However, for the average person in day-to-day interaction, much of that knowledge is unknown and unpredictable. Humans have an im…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/15 03:41 PM
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Then what are these 6-7 types? And that's just saying 'I am right, you are wrong abour your friends and family because I say so'. Not surprising though...
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/15 03:32 PM
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You know the people I know better than me?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/15 03:26 PM
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There's only about 6-7 human personalities you encounter over and over in the west. You must know very little people then. I know many more people with different personalities than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/15 03:18 PM
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I meant 'succesful' by TRP standards. My bad if that was unclear.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/15 12:05 PM
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The Netherlands must be a paradise for men then! No wonder my experiences are so different from RPers, it's all due to the legal prostitution! Newsflash: It doesn't change that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/15 11:37 AM
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(in fact, they've transformed reddit's outlooks on sex in 3 years here) Umm...in what way exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/15 11:34 AM
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Not to mention that basically everyone can get a high partner count if they put enough time and effort into it. Some people have a lower partner count because they simply don't care about casual sex, while they would have much higher numbers if they would actively look for it. A guy who approaches 10 women and has sex with 5 of them is more succesful than a guy who approaches 200 women and has sex with 10 of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/15 11:31 AM
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Stop whining about shit you can't change and fix shit you can is red advice. Yes, but is it also incredibly common outside of the RP. Just because TRP uses it, does not mean that it is inherently RP. "Nah, man, just be yourself" Ah, the big BP strawman. Does this advice exist? Sure! Is it the only piece of non-RP advice? Hell no!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/15 11:27 AM
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who are innately selfish and lack any intrinsic loyalty. Based on...what exactly? You can't just expect people to accept such a statement without any support for it. If you do expect that, I'll have a counter-statement: Men are innately selfish and lack any intrinsic loyalty.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/15 06:52 PM
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'we BPers' can't do anything to TRP to begin with. In what way have 'we' possibly damaged it?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/15 04:46 PM
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And it is basically all you need to do. It is sustainable, it is realistic and it is a stable way of losing weight/becoming more healthy. Diets often just give you great weight loss during the diet with a high risk of gaining it all back shortly after it. Most of them are just fads.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/15 02:12 PM
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Somewhat, but it is a weak one. Many RPers value self-improvement in TRP highly, for which self-reflection is an absolute must. I think TRP could benefit from discussing the negative aspects of becoming 'alpha' and about possible negative aspects of themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/15 01:07 PM
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She got naked and got in bed with him, what is shocking about the coming events? Where was this established in the discussion?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/15 01:05 PM
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BPers and feminists love shaming Unlike RPers who are so accepting of people who do not fit into their view...There's plenty of shaming from both sides. Edit: I deleted my argument beneath this post because I'm not going to entertain RPers that try to twist my words or accuse me of saying things I never did. All I said was that TRP shames people as well. Nothing more, nothing less. Drok made up the rest of 'my' arguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/15 01:03 PM
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Except shock (which isn't a rare reaction to rape and 'freezes' you) makes that not really a good argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/15 12:47 PM
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So, what were our conclusions? If you want to lose weight it will be much easier if you avoid processed foods made with sugar and fat. These foods affect your brain in a completely different way from natural foods and it's hard for anyone to resist eating too much. And any diet that eliminates fat or sugar will be unpalatable, hard to sustain and probably be bad for your health, too. So...avoid sugar and fat together, but cutting out one of the two won't be a good solution either? I'll stick to …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/15 10:09 AM
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Because I'm not shaming sluts in the process. If people like casual sex, more power to them! I just don't like it, nor does it show compatibility if they want sex with me almost immediately. That's not because they are wrong or 'broken' or 'disgusting' for wanting sex immediately, but it simply shows we think differently about sex and intimacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/15 08:06 AM
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Same. I don't care about casual sex, so the choice is ridiculously easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/15 07:27 AM
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'because we aren't interested in fucking men' seems to be the go-to TRP argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/15 07:23 AM
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...And I'm not talking about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 06:29 PM
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The repetition is needed to make sure people understand the question and answer it consistently. It's one of the basic rules in making a good survey. Most questions are used twice. One normal, one inversed or with different phrasing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 04:07 PM
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Nah. TRP constantly censors opinions that don't not fit the norm. That's well within their rights, but don't pretend it doesn't happen. I could be as civil and serious as possible, but constantly going to state non-rp arguments is going to get me banned.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 03:59 PM
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It is hiding it a bit. If you ask the slutty players on TRP if they are sluts, I dare to say that most say no.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 03:55 PM
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...Including TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 03:19 PM
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I just gave a possible explanation. I think we're somewhat beating a dead horse as well, but maybe some new people may comment and give new insights. Who knows...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 03:17 PM
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I respect a man who shows restraint. And those are the men I end up seriously dating. Go figure. Same here. I will not date someone who wants sex within hours of meeting me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 03:14 PM
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TRPers kinda hide it though. I'd say many RPers are sluts, but they think they are 'players' or 'alphas' or any other word with a more positive connotation.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 03:11 PM
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Yup, it can easily be seen within apps like Tindr or Grindr as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 03:10 PM
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And many players are still sluts. 'Player' is just a word with a bit more of a positive twist to it. If someone has to work hard to improve himself to get sex, but then acts on impulsivity and has lots of sex he is as much of a slut as TRP says any woman is.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 03:08 PM
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You do realize, a woman or a man increases the risk of them contracting an STD with more partners right? How do you explain the sentiment of many RPers (even in this thread) that are totally fine with having sex with sluts (despite that larger risk of STDs)? If they truly disliked sluts for the reason of increased risk of STDs, shouldn't they also avoid them in casual sexual encounters?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 10:37 AM
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BPers may disagree with the RP mindset, so they will bring it up more often to challenge it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 10:34 AM
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...Or you could go to a doctor for it? Talk to your potential partners about it to go to a doctor? You're being intentionally idiotic (which wouldn't surprise me) if you think I meant that you should do them yourself. That's what happens in the 'real world'. STD tests are hilariously easy to set up.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 08:50 AM
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I just don't reward their behavior with the status that comes with being in a relationship with me. No offence, but at your (and my age as well), we barely have any 'status'. We're still studying and preparing for the workfield for crying out loud. Being in a relationship hardly 'boosts' that status.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 08:41 AM
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Easy solution: Do STD tests. And this can't be the (main) answer, because RPers often say they still love to 'pump and dump' sluts, so they still jump right into the STD-risks.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 08:37 AM
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But in a buffet, people can choose what food they want to eat. People also can choose what people they like to date/LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 08:32 AM
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It's not about the achievement. I'd prefer a partner with little sexual partners above the 'achievement' one for sure. What matters is that he currently (and in the recent past) did not value casual sex and general promiscuity highly. The one who chased casual sex for 10+ years is much less likely to be ready for a committed, monogamous relationships because it clashes with the lifestyle he had for the past 10 years. The one who had lots of partners in a distant past with no wishes to do it agai…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 08:28 AM
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Some BPers believe that, others don't. It's quite simple. I personally couldn't care less about the partner count in itself. It is about the attitude and values that surround the partner count that matter. Is there overlap? Sure! But a guy who had a 'rebellious streak' and ammassed 40 partners within one year when he was young and does not like casual sex now is a better LTR candidate to me than a guy who chased casual sex for 10+ years.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 07:56 AM
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I think lying about it is wrong, but I understand why women do lie about it. The two aren't mutually exclusive. The better approaches (imo) would be saying that you'd rather not mention the exact number or be honest about it and tell the exact number.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 07:41 AM
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Isn't that just a rationalization from men for this potential double standard? I'm a gay guy and dislike the 'male sluts' just as much as many men dislike 'sluts'.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 07:31 AM
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Most of them for the same reasons I dislike 'male sluts' I guess: Incompatibility for a LTR due to different attitudes/beliefs. TRP just uses crude language and arguments to illustrate that point and linger around the partner count itself for no reason. And some of them have insecurite about a woman's past partners as well (keyword: some).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 07:30 AM
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It isn't justified, but it is understandable due to the strong judgment people make on them based on the number alone. The number alone is pretty much meaningless, it are the values and attitudes that surround the number that are important.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 07:26 AM
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I haven't seen that mentality anywhere to begin with. I only see some ridiculing on TBP if people are banned before they even posted on the subs, but I have never seen someone say that they felt censored because they couldn't post on TRP or RPW. But I guess some people simply just don't like to be forcibly excluded, no matter why or from what it is. ...Maybe you get no answer because the mentality is basically non-existent? I'm sure some people are offended or feel censored by being banned, but …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 07:12 AM
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Your view on reality perhaps.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/15 08:23 PM
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I'm may enter when I'm alone on my pc. Didn't have a pc the last two weeks and now my BF visits until tomorrow.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 08:25 PM
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I could pity kill you?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 08:19 PM
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I'm on my phone and BF is coming over soon, so remind me in a day or two if I still haven't done it. It may be interesting to see the differences in how we interpret your posts differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 06:22 PM
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'you BPers'? I'm just one person who voiced his opinion, no need to make this a rant against 'us'. I also think there is a big grey area between PC language and being offensive for the sake of being offensive. My opinion is that you fit into the latter. You can be candid and honest with out unneeded crude or offensive language. Then again... It's just my opinion. Feel free to disagree, I'm not expecting you to magically agree with me and change it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 05:59 PM
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... Plenty on BPers have 'alpha' qualities such as confidence. We just don't create an entire identity around these traits that are frankly normal to most people. Being BP does not mean being a full-blown beta. I'd say BP men are quite balanced with what TRP sees as 'alpha' and 'beta' qualities. I'll admit I'm more of a 'beta' by RP standards. However, I am confident in who I am and I know my strengths and weaknesses. I have always been that way and do not want to change that. I simply do not ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 05:48 PM
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If that's your opinion, then just ignore my posts. I'm not going to just stop because some RP men believe I can't contribute to these discussions.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 04:45 PM
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Best part of actually being gay: Things that are seen as 'gay' to straight men aren't off-limits. I can make my BF go nuts by playing with his taint. He likes it, I like it and no one will look at me strangely when I talk about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 04:25 PM
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It's not like I am in some kind of bubble without any straight relationships. I talk about relationships with both men and women. I see them engage in flirting etc. around me. I see how my parents are and how they are nothing like TRP suggests. You don't need first-hand experience with everything to contribute to a discussion. Otherwise...most RPers should stop commenting about the desires of women (since they aren't one) or about 'divorce rape' and similar things (since they haven't experienced…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 04:19 PM
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I'm not really looking for anything. I stumbled upon TRP via other subreddits and could not believe how different (and often negative) their ideas about women were. Their experiences fly in the face of most of my female friends and family while RPers keep claiming AWALT and all that. I'm sure some (or many) women are like TRP describes. I'm just here to also give another perspective that many, many women do not fit in the RP narrative. My tag is BP due to distancing myself from the extreme negat…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 03:13 PM
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Then disregard my posts if you feel that way. I disagree, since first hand experience isn't everything. I discuss here with the thoughts and arguments from my straight friends and family, alongside my own observations.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 10:02 AM
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So a gay man isn't a man?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 09:50 AM
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Do you believe RPers are shooting themselves in their feet by chasing sex with lots of women if they want an LTR later? They are 'ruining' these women, aren't they? And what about the male perspective? How does a man having lots of sex influence future relationships? I believe many of the risks are similar, not entirely sure though. I'm agreeing that people with lots of casual sex are often in a different mindset from people who look for an LTR, but that counts for both sexes. Why are men allowe…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 09:43 AM
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None. Neither are you.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 09:39 AM
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I'm not confused. We're disagreeing. Big difference. In my eyes men want the most attractive women just as much as women want the most attractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 09:20 AM
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Maybe I've just seen the more extreme posts on ppd then, compared to his posts on TRP. It's a possibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 09:03 AM
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And the same applies to women, yet TRP laments the 'fact' that women only go for the 'top men'.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 08:52 AM
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Fuck? I guess I'd have to try one of the alphas. Maybe they can convince me that way. ;) Marry? Bakerofpie if she was a man. It still surprises me on how much I agree with most of her posts. Kill? Homo Homini Lupus or Aerobus. Two of the most extreme and (imo) unreasonable RPers.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 08:45 AM
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Oh please. Are you truly saying RP men would be fine with an average or below average girl? They constantly talk about getting the hottest chick etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 08:39 AM
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Men on RP wanting 'hb 7+' are men wanting the top 30% of women. You'd be fooling yourself if you think only women want the best they can get.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 08:27 AM
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I'm fully aware I read it myself and it doesn't offend me personally since the RP doesn't not apply to me as a gay man. I would also never go to TRP itself to argue about it since it is not the place for it, but posting on ppd is fair play and criticizing on TBP is as well. Just because TRP is a 'boy's club' on the Internet does not mean it is immune to criticism from outsiders.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 06:33 AM
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Just like men want the top women. The horror!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 06:24 AM
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But the dealer can still increase the attractiveness of the car by going the extra mile and adding extra features or bonuses, even when the car wasn't that interesting before. TRP likes to compare SMV with sales. Sales departments constantly make a less appealing product more attractive with sale techniques.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/15 05:35 PM
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Swallowing the RP=irreparable damage. ... Kind of a weak arguments on its own, isn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/15 05:31 PM
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Since most of my female friends are like that, I can't really say it is anything else than it's perfectly normal. Not everyone likes casual sex, nor do they want an 'alpha male'. Then again, experimenting in your youth isn't bad either. Different strokes for different folks.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/15 05:17 PM
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If attraction truly could not be negotiated, TRP wouldn't try to increase their SMV so much. Raising your SMV means you are trying to negotiate more attraction within different women. Using strategies as 'dread game' is a TRP way to negotiate attraction. I believe attraction can be negotiated to an extent. People in relationships do it all the time. Examples are: making kind gestures, keeping 'date nights' in ltrs, experimenting in the bedroom etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/15 05:11 PM
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You may refer to me here as well, so let me clarify: I'll never claim to have experience in the straight dynamics. My arguments are based on the conversations and discussions I have had with straight friends and family around me.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/15 09:36 PM
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Just a little factoid: 'bottoms' aren't always submissive. There are also 'power bottoms' who are essentially the dominant bottom riding the submissive top. Also, I disagree with the idea that 'receiving' during sex somehow makes you automatically less masculine. That's just trying to enforce the straight sex standards on gay relationships. There are masculine men why simply like the sensation of receiving, or do it when their partner is only a top. Not to mention plenty of gay couples are versa…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/15 04:46 PM
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That says nothing about a hierarchy like captain/first mate. It does counter things like dread game or ignoring your partner, but we aren't discussing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/15 04:14 PM
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Different strokes for different folks. My grandparents arguably have such a dynamic and they are still doing fine. And don't give me the 'show me proof' -crap when all you do is make baseless statements and accusations without anything objective to support them. I dislike certain parts of TRP just as much as you do, but you are just being ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/15 03:51 PM
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Only when taken to an extreme level. Most mental disorders are normal behaviours taken to an extreme. You could even argue that you're being narcissistic in this thread based on the idea that you grossly overestimate the accuracy of your own assumptions and interpretations.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/15 02:55 PM
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.. Or some people flourish in those dynamics. Just like others do in different dynamics.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/15 02:29 PM
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You think he cares? All he does is bashing BPers and TBP, no matter what subject is being discussed.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/15 11:44 AM
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I don't get how you are downvoted for the one post you actually make a good point in. Gay relationships are also quite difficult, even if the Gay male casual sex scene is easier with apps like Grindr.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/15 11:38 AM
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I'm gay. None of that 'men love better than women' is in any way gay. I'd say it is much more narcissistic about their own way of loving and ignorance about the love of women than a statement how they would want men to love them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/15 11:35 AM
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But to suggest most (or many) RPers are closeted homosexuals is ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/15 06:03 AM
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Wise to be a bit more careful? Sure. Wise to use generalizations to an extreme extent? Not wise at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 08:21 PM
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But you'll also (partially) remain distant due to assuming AMALT and may miss out on experiences with great people. Same for AWALT. Your beliefs and assumptions almost always influence your attitude and behaviour towards the target group.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 07:22 PM
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I agree. I'll also look more for the values accompanying the partner count, instead of the partner count itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 01:45 PM
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/r/CuteFemaleCorpses for sure. I still can't believe that sub actually exists. I looked at it once out of morbid curiosity but will not click the link again.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 09:33 PM
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AMALT! /s (no seriously... Assuming every man is a rapist is sheer idiocy).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 07:40 PM
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Yes, there's something magical about seeing children grow up and to see them learn about the world around them. I'd like to give an (adopted) child a welcoming and loving home at some point. I'd encourage my children to find their own path in life and of course I'd support them in any way I can.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 07:39 PM
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I'm not offended by it at all. I mean that I think the 'incel' community has a misplaced sense of entitlement that only hold themselves back.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/14 09:31 PM
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Fair enough. And sorry for the snark and hostility in this comment chain. Working in the snow and cold with unpleasant dogs made me quite unpleasant as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/14 05:47 PM
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Then maybe the problem is you?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/14 05:28 PM
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Then what were you saying? You constantly make assumptions about my friends because my friends do not fit your worldview. Edit :you added more I see. Your post stated that women like my friends were acting like that, despite my friends and their SOs telling me otherwise. You constantly do this and when called out you hide behind some pathetic excuse. You may still win the 'Hamster of the Year' award, congratulations!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/14 05:19 PM
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Oh please. You literally referred to the behaviour of my female friends, despite not knowing anything about them. Your post was very clear. You just refuse to accept that you are wrong. Keep hamstering though, it at least makes you a true RP woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/14 05:16 PM
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Nope. I was a virgin up until a year ago, but did not identify as 'incel' at any point. 22 years old if that matters. I think most incels are part of a self-fulfilling prophecy. Their attitude prevents them from actually getting into relationships. Most posts I've seen on the Internet from incels suggested these people to be deeply troubled on a personal level and not ready to be intimate with others. I also think differently of adult virgins and people who identify as 'incel'. The latter term a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/14 05:03 PM
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... Less than a day ago you pretended to know what my female friends were really like in their relationships('cats in heat' comment). You have made assumptions about my parents. You constantly deny anecdotes from the BP side because you think you know it better. Are you truly this blind to your own bias? You constantly do this!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/14 04:57 PM
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A healthy balance of both, which is most likely already the reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/14 12:09 PM
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If every marriages is a black box to outsiders, how can you pretend to know everything about the relationships of others? You do that on ppd all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/14 09:11 AM
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But I do talk with men who deal with these women. I know the SOs of my female friends. Not everything has to be a first-hand experience to be able to contribute to a discussion. Otherwise your opinion is worthless as well, since you don't deal with women in relationships either. Or are you a lesbian? ... And are you seriously arguing all women will act like 'cats in heat' that lurk outside and threaten to cut their wrists? do/did you do that as well? If so, you may want to consider getting profe…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/14 07:03 PM
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Most women I know come closer to the description of a 'unicorn' than the 'Awalt' descriptions of TRP. Of course they have some negative traits... Everyone does. None of them quite as extreme as TRP suggests though.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/14 05:10 PM
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Aren't RPers also religious non-theists (such an useless term, everyone believes in something) who believe in lots of things though? Or do you truly believe most of TRP is entirely objective?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/14 05:07 PM
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Not really surprising though. The BP is also more likely to acknowledge 'I don't know' to be a valid answer. The RP side believes or wants to know everything, so they'll either be strongly religious or atheist. Uncertainty (such as agnosticism) do not fit within the RP frame of mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/14 03:56 PM
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Except I don't agree with that. Not in my environment at least. Hard to refute something you don't agree to exist to begin with. Both genders misbehave and both get called out in my social circles.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/14 03:24 PM
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It's shitty for both men and women. I don't know who you hang out with that they think that behavior is accepted for women, but most of my environment condemns shitty behavior, no matter what gender did it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/14 03:18 PM
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They do, but the conversation wasn't about divorced/split couples and the issues surrounding them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/14 03:00 PM
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Ah, okay. No problem!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/14 12:12 PM
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No? In the post I removed I said I dressed nicer when going out because it gives myself a confidence boost when I look in the mirror. Looks from women don't do anything for me since I'm gay and when I'm out with friends there are little gay people to impress to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/14 12:09 PM
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Except it's often a part of the answer and it was implies the 'you are a shallow woman' view if they say 'yes'. For many people, such a question involves inherent judgment. I could ask TRP men 'do you chase sex to feel validated?' I'd say many RPers would hamster it away as well, despite the question containing a part of the answer. A much better question is simply 'why do you wear make-up?'
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/14 10:14 AM
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Because it's a loaded question and it isn't the entire answer either.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/14 10:00 AM
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But we weren't talking about divorce here?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/14 09:43 AM
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How are they alienated from them?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/14 05:54 AM
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Yup, this is similar to what I had in mind. You managed to put it into words quite well, which I couldn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/14 10:58 PM
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Agnostic. I simply don't know.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/14 08:23 PM
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But the implications are the same. Both parties seek the best possible partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/14 06:06 PM
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About basic psychology? Sure! About certain specific experiences? Nope.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/14 04:38 PM
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Then give the definition instead of just saying 'you're wrong'.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/14 04:37 PM
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Merry Christmas. I'm off to work in a kennel tonight...
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/14 03:41 PM
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I don't refuse anything. I don't fully agree with it. Big difference. The most parts of social psychology are quite equal between genders (source:4 years of studying Psychology) . And the answer if this question is still from the male perspective. Men and women aren't opposites. That's just silly. There are differences, but they aren't always opposed of each other, nor are these differences as significant as TRP suggests.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/14 03:19 PM
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Nice snark. Just replace 'wife' with 'husband'. Its not like we are an entirely different species. And like I said to someone else, just ignore my posts if you don't want to see the perspective from a gay person.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/14 03:09 PM
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Exactly. Current values and behavior are more important than those of the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/14 12:32 PM
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.. That has nothing te do with what we're discussing though. Not sure why you went on this tangent here.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/14 11:30 AM
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Both apply to TRP though. Just in different situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/14 11:23 AM
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Having sex with a married and person when you know they're married =enabling to cheat, both parties at fault. Having sex with a married person without knowing they are married = entirely the married person's fault. Other person can't smell whether they are married or not. I've seen RPers be okay with the first situation as well. I consider that to condone and enable cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/14 10:26 AM
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Except men are hypergamous as well. Searching for the best options isn't a gender-specific trait. I'd say plate spinning and ditching them when better plates come along is a perfect example of hypergamy in TRP men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/14 09:23 AM
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I feel the same for some RPW. Then again, most people on both sides seem to do fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/14 09:21 AM
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No.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/14 09:08 PM
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Blue (gay) male, 22 years old. Number of partners:3 (2 relationships, 1hook-up. Currently 9 months in a relationship) Last 5 sexual encounters all involved my current partner (obviously). We met online and went on quite a few dates before initiating sex. I think one month between meeting and sex. I did not use any conscious game, just went along with the situation. Now we see each other 1-2 days per week and have sexual stuff (oral/anal) around 5 times. The hook-up wasn't a succes for me. It jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/14 12:59 PM
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But only for a limited subset of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/14 10:22 PM
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Ensuring the caretaker of his children is doing well? Just thinking out loud here.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/14 10:16 PM
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What about your confirmation bias? It's exactly the same as mine. Seems to me that we both have a bias, which most likely means a more moderate stance is the most relevant one. TRP has a part of the truth, but so does non-rp.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/14 10:15 PM
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And plenty of nice, 'bp' men are getting laid, have happy relationships and do get married. You can hardly deny that. RP may work for people for whom BP doesn't work personally. Doesn't mean BP is wrong though. different strokes for different folks.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/14 08:20 PM
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That's actually a very good analogy! I should remember it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/14 08:17 PM
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That's what I mean with that they have a part of the truth. They do have some crucial pieces of the puzzle, but also lack a lot of pieces to finish it. Or use the wrong pieces in to substitute for their lack of pieces.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/14 08:09 PM
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(typing on phone) I'm not going to address a post filled with assumptions about my intentions or that of others. If you want to believe that - fine. You should read my opening post again. I am not 'afraid' of TRP growing, I even acknowledge it does work for people. As for the 'misogyny', replace it with 'overly negative attitudes to women' if you get caught up in semantics. I also am appalled by the existence of other subs, but I am not aware of subreddits where I can discuss this with members o…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/14 08:03 PM
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Morbid curiosity?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/14 07:36 PM
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None of your bullet points sound anything like the women I know. I'm on my phone so addressing the entire post is difficult to address, but I disagree strongly. I believe TRP gets a lot of opposition due to their tone and misogynistic content. Your argument reads more like a rationalization for the content than an actual reason. You also seem to think mostly women oppose TRP, while plenty of men do so as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/14 07:30 PM
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I don't mind the core of RP relationship dynamics. They work for people and much of the common advice is solid (albeit also common out of TRP.) What I do mind, however, is the amount of vitriol on the sub-reddit that goes far beyond 'self-improvement' and goes towards 'misogyny'. I find the 'it's the anger phase' -argumentthat is used to justify it somewhat weak. I also dislike their idea that they have 'the truth' as opposed to non-rp people. They have a part of it for sure, but they often forg…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/14 06:28 PM
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If they like it, more power to them. I'm biased though, since I'm a submissive (gay) man as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/14 08:15 PM
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But why assume most women go through with most of the things TRP says about women, when the RP women seem to believe they don't really do these things themselves. That's pretty much the 'I'm a special snowflake' argument which is despised in the RP.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/14 07:28 PM
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But you will refrain from forcing yourself on someone despite your attraction for her (I hope) . Wouldn't that be due to ethics/morals and law?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/14 07:03 PM
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So do you use sex as a weapon? Are you hypergamous? Do you hamster? Do you not love men as they want to be loved? Do you lack loyalty? Are you only with your husband for the feeling he gives you? If the majority is 'no', why do you assume it's 'Awalt' for most other women, despite you not fitting in the RP pictures of women at all. This is not a debate about 'awalt'. This is a question about how you assume a lot about women, while implying you don't do these things.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/14 06:50 PM
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You clearly imply that every time you make assumptions about women that do not apply to yourself. Don't act as if you are stupid. I still had a sliver of respect for you to stand behind the things you say, but now you aren't even doing that anymore. And that graph is meaningless. A child could make it and pretend it is right.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/14 06:32 PM
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If there are many outliers, they aren't really outliers. And if they are still very rare, why do you feel you are one of them?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/14 06:23 PM
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I'm asking you because it is funny how you generalize about women, while seemingly not considering yourself to be a part of them. It's as if you feel you are a 'special snowflake', which is pretty ironic. And even more so because many RPers, including you, refuse to believe many BP anecdotes about women. If you fall out of the generalization of women, why do you have such difficulties with believing other women don't fit the generalizations either? What makes you so special?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/14 03:02 PM
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I'm gay, so may never have a son to begin with. Maybe adoption. I am also 'purple-ish', but consider myself Blue as a response to the huge negatives within the RP subreddits. Aside from that, I'd encourage potential children to find their own path. RP and BP both have their merit, although I think a healthy balance is the best way, with a slight preference for blue.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/14 02:56 PM
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And I'm BP partially due to my 'RP-ish' father. He's not a bad man, but he sometimes clings to traditional masculinity (such as being stoic/'maintaining frame') which hurts himself and people around him. I mean no offense too him, but I don't want to be like him when I am older.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/14 12:07 PM
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Do you do that as well? Sometimes it seems like you are talking about a group of people that you are not a part of.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/14 06:08 AM
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We got randomly assigned a number most of the time, so both teams were pretty balanced most of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/14 05:50 PM
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Yes. A 5 for one would be an 8 for someone else. The things I find attractive (gay man though) are not shared by every other gay man. Some find very masculine guys attractive for an example, while I would rate those lower. The guys I rate highly will be rated lower by others.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/14 01:11 PM
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That's on both sides an issue though. Take the 'just be yourself' advice. Many TRPers love to take it literally without seeing the actual point within the advice. Our points of view influences our interpretation of what is written. Since this sub mainly discusses TRP subjects, of course BPers will fail to interpret things as TRP would do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/14 01:09 PM
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...Could that be due to your bias? Ironic, isn't it? If you want to discuss science, then at least take the scientific approach when trying to generalize and apply results of research.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/14 11:51 AM
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and banning anything in schools involving guns or violence, I guess this is a US-centric argument. At my high school, we watched American History X as an obligatory course. That movie was filled with violence and racist themes and such, but you would need a very good reason to not watch it. Our sociology classes and even history classes also discussed violence on quite a few occasions. I think we were around 14-15 when we watched it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/14 11:46 AM
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One example I can give is in the school system; some states have banned things that are more male-centric (or at least competitive), like dodgeball and tag. ...Wow. I am a 'feminine' guy, but dodgeball was absolutely one of my highights in gym class. I couldn't throw for shit, but I was amazing at actually dodging and hitting people sneakily. I can't believe there are schools who actually banned this. Targeting of "weaker" students was also cited as a concern. Not in my class. I've seen much mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/14 11:39 AM
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Not really. This article specifically addresses Social Psychology. It's even in the title of the article. And even within Social Psychology, the article states that many research is still valid and correct. The bias is certainly something to keep in mind and it is good to work on lowering it, but it does not automatically invalidate the results either. There's more research needed to see how the bias actually influenced the results of other experiments. You can't use results from a research as p…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/14 11:36 AM
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I'd like to address your title which greatly sensationalized the actual content from the article. I quote: A final preparatory comment we must make is that the lack of political diversity is not a threat to the validity of specific studies in many and perhaps most areas of research in social psychology. The lack of diversity causes problems for the scientific process primarily in areas related to the political concerns of the left—areas such as race, gender, stereotyping, environmentalism, power…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/14 11:28 AM
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that romance bullshit people trot out. ...Which is quite signifcant for many people in relationships. Love and romance.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/14 11:13 PM
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You can, but marriage can potentially have benefits and has a big symbolic meaning for many people. There's a reason the gay community fights so hard to be able to get married! Marriage also may create more stability for both partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/14 11:10 PM
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That is why TRP says marriage isn't worth it unless under very specific circumstances. Including not caring about the career of women and expecting them to take care of the household. ...I mean, TRP says they are against marriage because it puts men at a risk. In reality though, the values and expectations of these TRP men are almost directly related to these risks. Marriage isn't worth it for TRP because the TRP dynamic creates risks for these men. And that's a fair opinion. TRP should just sto…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/14 09:14 PM
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Don't have much sympathy for the women then, they traded financial stability for having to take on those responsibilities. And what about sympathy for the man? I'd say it is lower as well, since the man expected their wife to take risks in term of individual finance in favour of their partnership. The issue is that men want to have their cake and eat it too. They want wives who take care of the household (and have a lower income due to this), but they get mad when they have to make a settlement …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/14 09:07 PM
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What causes a woman's income to fall after divorce if she has no children? Maybe because they were living off a richer man (pre-split)? Or maybe because many men (including RPers) expect women to take care of the household. And this was about women that already had a good earning capacity. So the discussion is about the richer women talked about in the Fox source. People with an income of more than one million seem to be quite a small minority though. Since when are these the most relevant sampl…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/14 08:52 PM
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http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2009/jan/25/divorce-women-research He found that, when a man leaves a childless marriage, his income immediately rises by 25%. Women, however, suffer a sharp fall in income. Their financial position rarely reaches pre-split levels. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1127333/For-richer-poorer-Why-divorce-makes-men-wealthier--women-left-worse-off.html On average, male incomes rise by 25 per cent, whereas women's fall by a fifth, even when children are n…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/14 08:34 PM
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does the wife still have rights to half the assets the husband contributed more to? And how do you think alimony/dividing assets is determined? Do you have any source that women always gets half the assets when both partners work? If the woman has enough income to support herself on a decent level after the divorce, she won't get that much alimony to begin with. The assets is a tricky one that can hardly be answered in a general sense. Depends too much on context. http://www.forbes.com/sites/jef…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/14 08:15 PM
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But are the men worse off after the divorce than they were before the marriage? My anecdotal experience says men would be better off if they never got married, than married and then divorced. Not true for the women. Women are worse off, especially if they are SAHMs or housekeepers in the marriage. Such a significant time gap in your career has quite a bit of influence on what you earn later in life. Women also are often the primary caretaker of children after the divorce, which makes them even l…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/14 07:55 PM
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Right, and that's why men get married despite the financial risk. They want to be happy, but risk getting their wallet emptied. But men are still much better off than women after a divorce. The women also takes a risk by marrying a man, especially if she sacrifices her career for it! The difference is that a marriage doesn't guarantee happiness, but getting divorced can mean alimony, child support, and split of assets through the actions of a court. ...And yet it is still a better situation to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/14 07:49 PM
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They're better off divorced than married, in their minds. Because money isn't everything. They divorce because they aren't happy in the marriage, not to empty their husband's wallets.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/14 07:34 PM
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and she will lose little. She might even stand to gain even more. That's not how divorces work in reality though. Women are worse of than men after a divorce, despite what the TRP narrative wants to believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/14 07:30 PM
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I dislike the idea that 'beta bucks' and 'alfa fux' are two entirely different worlds. I'd say most women look for a good balance between the two. Neither extremes are good options for a LTR. Women still go for attractive men in LTRs, it's just not all that matters anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/14 05:41 PM
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Exactly, but /r/Drok007 seems to suggest it is about being feminized, which I simply do not see. Infantilization is much easier to see around me in both men and women, I can agree with that much easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/14 05:39 PM
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Who is forcing what on men exactly? And how? Maybe it's an US thing, but I have no clue what you mean here in the Netherlands. Men are still much more masculine than feminine.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/14 05:20 PM
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He's posting from some kind of 'strawman feminist' perspective recently. This is just another one of his nonsense posts essentially.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/14 05:06 PM
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Why not say 'passive men' then? Much clearer to use the actual words of what you mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/14 05:00 PM
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...Really? You have a very limited definition of feminity then. Wikipedia (I know, I know): Femininity (also called feminity,[1] girlishness, womanliness or womanhood) is a set of attributes, behaviors, and roles generally associated with girls and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/14 04:19 PM
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And this is the problem with feminized society, guys do not want to compete and put in the work. I'm a relatively 'feminine' gay guy. I'm nothing like the men you see as 'feminized'. Femininity has nothing to do with competing or putting work into something.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/14 04:18 PM
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I think he wasn't specifically addressing you, but was replying to what Bazmeg brought up.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/14 04:17 PM
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This is mostly what my opinion is as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/14 12:57 PM
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No, because I still have a partner at home. I may not go on the holiday to begin with, but I definitely would not try to have sex while my partner is at home.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/14 12:53 PM
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I guess because they like the idea of monogamy and sharing your life with a 'significant other' (potentially with kids)? Why does a man want to get married? Isn't it for roughly the same reasons?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/14 12:49 PM
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They're both 'out of reach/off limits' for most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/14 12:05 AM
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Rating them higher does not equal 'going after them'. I'll rate celebrities higher than the average person as well, doesn't mean I actively go after them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 11:55 PM
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I agree fully. People sometimes seem to forget that 'the other side' are still other people sitting behind their screens.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 07:29 PM
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TRP, on purpose, presents their message with a certain tone and intent. So yes...TRP should expect opposition/criticism when they post stuff like they do on a public website. And just to emphasize: I am talking about opposition/criticism. Not doxxing/harassment.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 07:12 PM
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She is not the one raising her kid and it is something that she will regret and have resentment over. And of course she will (Probably unconsciously) blame her "man" for not providing enough to free her from this responsibility to be able to live this role. A man on the contrary will be very happy being the provider, even if it mean a lot of personal sacrifice. We are just made that way. I disagree when I look at my parents. My mother is the primary breadwinner. My father also works for himself,…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 05:45 PM
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Why would that be silly?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 05:24 PM
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I honestly believe that most dudes who are introverts are only introverts because of some self-esteem/confidence issues Is there any objective basis for this? Or does this mostly stem from insecurity/conflicting gender expectations?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 05:23 PM
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...Or who don't know these men are taken. Many cheaters forget to mention that they are in a relationship/married.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 05:22 PM
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I am not someone who is claiming that RP techniques or dynamics aren't working. I'm mostly opposed to the tone of TRP and the extent of their generalizations. I still live around men and women who are having sex, look for relationships and the like. Talking with them gives me arguments against TRP often enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 05:17 PM
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What do you mean? Do you believe technology is a potential replacement for the commitment between partners?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 02:03 PM
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"Not everyone likes partying and casual sex." Uh, that shit is in a man's DNA. I honestly believe that most dudes who are introverts are only introverts because of some self-esteem/confidence issues, or they just never had the chance to be extroverts. Being the life of the party is the shit. Every guy wants to be 'the man'. Don't even bother rebutting, I'll just assume you are asexual or something. So 'Other men don't fit my view, so something is wrong with them'. Classy. I honestly believe that…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 09:52 AM
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I am far from a closeted homosexual. I'm quite openly gay, I assure you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 09:52 AM
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Except it is ridiculously easy to refute. Not everyone likes partying and casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 10:54 PM
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No, only some guys get to party at college, every guy wants to party in college. That's nonsense though.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 08:57 PM
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How can TRP expect the same from attractive women then?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 11:06 AM
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I'm an Endorsed Contributor. The other EC's/mods would likely agree that TRP is not a social movement. We are not Men's Rights. People find their way to us. I know it isn't. TRP has made that very clear. No. Newbies are only discouraged from posting new theory, because they likely haven't done enough reading to understand TRP fully. They're not discouraged from venting at all. Okay fair enough. I was mistaken on that point. There are a few forums outside of reddit that do just that. Reddit is fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 07:42 PM
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Not when the conversation wasn't really private. TRP isn't private. It's out there for everyone to read and see if they stumble upon it. An extreme example: Would you be fine with the KKK or Westboro Baptist Church if they kept their 'crude talk' in their own spaces? I would still oppose the, since their thoughts and talks would still influence their behaviour towards their 'targets'. A racist is not less racist for hiding his views on public, nor is a bigot less of a bigot for hiding it, nor is…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 07:30 PM
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They are not the core contributors. Who are then? Because Endorsed Contributors and Mods apparently also aren't core contributors when we tried to discuss posts of them? Defeating the purpose of the sub -- to serve as a space for those who need it. It's there for those who go looking for the information/venting space. But they can't vent, because new members are limited in the things they can post, right? The information can be found outside Reddit, since the 'Required Reading' comes from outsid…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 07:27 PM
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We have no aspirations for recruitment or expanding our message. Tell that to the common posts on AskReddit and Relationships. There are plenty of RPers trying to tell people about TRP. Sometimes even subs like /r/AmIUgly. It's as private an environment as you can get for thousands of people simultaneously communicating. You could set the sub to private. Or move to a forum where only members can read the content. I mean...simply googling 'Red Pill' already gives TRP as one of the main results, d…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 07:22 PM
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if it's private conversation between consenting parties, what does it matter how vile the conversation is? TRP isn't private though. Not in the slightest. So that argument does not entirely apply here. And it can potentially matter because the things you say and think may influence how you behave. If I am talking with friends on how I'd like to 'fuck some sluts' and others overhear me, they are fully in their right to voice their opinion on that. I don't want to censor TRP. People will always fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 07:18 PM
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Is it a formal establishment? No women allowed in the rules? Or are we talking about somebodies basement here? It's a private(-ish) café with basically only men. The owner decided who comes and who doesn't, which results in plenty of opportunities for men to have a 'private male space'. Watching soccer, playing billiards, drinking etc. Well we had the whole barber fiasco recently. Gentleman's clubs are getting shutdown the moment they are brought to publics eye. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gent…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 07:10 PM
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I don't mind 'crude talk' at all. I mind it when they use it as an excuse for when people call them out on it. To be honest, it does apply more to the 'boys will be boys' excuse than the 'it's men's talk'. It's not like the men in TRP are joking about what they say.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 07:02 PM
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Thanks for the clarification.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 06:37 PM
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No, unless they change the way they present their content. They currently aim at 'shock value' and 'edginess' with the raw, hyperbolic style of communication. RPers sometimes call it 'masculine debate', but I don't really agree with that. Such stances are almost always met with resistance from opposite groups. If they'd ever become big politically, they may blow up at the start due to 'telling everyone how it is!' which is seen as refreshing, but then crash and burn later in the political landsc…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 06:26 PM
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Behavioral cues are what drive relationships. . You can't hit a wall. It doesn't exist. Only for men? Or also for women? I guess you're Purple from the flair, but I'm not sure how you stand on this issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 06:21 PM
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I'm not denying it exists, I'm of the opinion that 'it's just men's talk' or 'boys will be boys' is a horrible excuse for some of the things that are said or done. then again my sample size may skewed by the fact that most of the men I've known have been bikers, skinheads, cops, and military men...not college boys, male feminists and skinny pants hipsters And then you have the huge grey area in between them who are more balanced. And funny that 'college boys' is in your list, since that seems to…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 06:12 PM
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Which is hilarious since private male spaces have been thoroughly destroyed Tell that to my father who plays billiard in a private male space each week. There are still plenty of private male spaces out there. Which ones have disappeared exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 06:11 PM
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In your honest opinion, are your friends physically attractive? Some of them are, some of them a bit less. Most of them are in steady relationships though. It could be that they're all telling you the truth and you just happen to know some conservative women, They are far from conservative actually. Not having casual sex does not equal being conservative. but CC not being evident in your circle of friends is not a good stepping stone to deny its existence across a large subset of women. Neither …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 06:03 PM
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I'm saying this because normal and new users seem to be silenced while the posts from a few selected ones are prioritized. I believe the idea behind that from TRP's point of view is that new members have no clue what they are talking about and that they should listen to the established community before contributing themselves. I disagree with that for several reasons, but I believe that's why they do it like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 03:43 PM
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An idealized representation of the "destructive/adverserial/non-cooperative woman" So you're saying that TRP does not operate on the 'AWALT' principle? I think you are trying to rationalize the shitty views about women in RP here a bit. it may indeed be helpful to realize that it isn't just some exotic outliers who display them. Except they are outliers in the way TRP describes them. Their hyperbolic descriptions do not apply to the majority of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 01:54 PM
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Why would they lie? If they didn't want to talk about it, they simply wouldn't talk about it. Not everyone is ashamed or hides information about relationships/sex. I'm also not saying they share every tiny bit of detail, but they certainly have no issues with their partner count (since it is low and they mainly look for stable relationships). Not every women has casual sex, nor does every women who has casual sex lie about it. Why is your assumption that my friends would lie about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 01:51 PM
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We do this thing called 'talking'. We've discussed sex before on quite a few occasions. The US seems to be more conservative about sex and the like, here in Europe it is discussed more openly for what I've seen. We even have tv shows on our public channels purely discussing sex and drugs.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 01:42 PM
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69% of adults are overweight. Dang, of that number 35% are even obese. In the Netherlands we're currently at 30% overweight and 10% obese, which is still quite high.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 01:36 PM
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It's also immensely helpful if one's prior perception of women was the ideal type of the "unicorn", which arguably is even less prevalent than the "destructive/adverserial/non-cooperative woman". I'd suggest TRP should stop thinking in black-and-whites and start considering the grey. It's not 'immensely helpful' to demonize women after you put them on a pedestal before that. Both extremes are destructive. And the TRP view on women is far from an 'idealized representation of women'. They are ofte…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 01:28 PM
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If you want to act smart when you are making huge generalizations based on hyperbole about women...sure. The 'ideal type' idea also goes against AWALT to an extent.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 12:55 PM
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I'm on my phone, so addressing the entire post is annoying now. Wanted to clarify the error quickly. I can reply to the fully post tomorrow morning if you'd like.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/14 10:32 PM
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Strawman. No BPer says men and women are biologically identical.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/14 10:23 PM
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Of course some women do that. Doesn't say anything about women in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/14 10:21 PM
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Fair enough, it was indeed a loaded question. One that tries to address a core issue though: men want to know partner count because they may not want to get into a relationship with these women because of it. I'd dare to say that many women would not want to date someone with a frequent poster on TRP. That also shows differences in values and risks in relationships. Just in a different way. If I'd find out that my partner would post misogynistic or racist things on the Internet, I would possibly…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/14 10:18 PM
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I'm totally serious. I've never hidden that I am a more feminine man and I know plenty of tough women who would make much better soldiers than me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/14 10:15 PM
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I'm not saying that. I'm saying that's online dating can work better for some people. It's definitely not much worse than regular dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/14 10:12 PM
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Do you feel the same applies to men? That women should avoid men with a high partner count?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/14 07:16 PM
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A man willing to commit his future to you has every right to know about your past Shouldn't RPers tell the women they are seeing about the Red Pill then? RPers encourage each other to hide certain aspects of themselves, why are women not allowed to do that?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/14 07:06 PM
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No STDs so far. Then again...I don't have casual sex and my partners were tested before I had sex with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/14 07:03 PM
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I don't hate RPers. I'm not saying all RPers are angry, misogynistic men. That quote is more about how RPers generalize about all women using hyperbole. Their description of women are caricatures.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/14 07:01 PM
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Again. What I suspect they're terming "male to male sexual harassment" is something that I would call "locker room teasing". Calling another guy a "fag", teasing him for being a scrawny pussy, snapping him with a towel, giving him shit for going home with an ugly chick last weekend, etc. ...Or maybe it is actual sexual harassment. Like the reports indicate. This is something guys just naturally do to other guys in a male environment. Only difference is, now we have females witnessing it, and the…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/14 02:01 PM
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Why should the military have to "change" to make women more comfortable. They shouldn't. But if women meet the requirements to do so, they should be able to join. I'd say they should meet the same requirements as men though.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/14 10:42 AM
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You asked for my opinion. I gave it to you. I'm also not a feminist. I don't believe men and women are the same. I'd never vouch for additional drafts, because I'd rather vouch against the drafts in general. In the Netherlands it is more symbolic than an actual draft though. The odds of actually being drafted for war are incredibly small. Nice try, smoochums.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/14 12:37 AM
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No, since I am of the opinion that men shouldn't either. I already said that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/14 12:31 AM
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The difference in the draft is sexism. Simple as that (although apparently several RPers disagree in this thread). What else do you want me to discuss here?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/14 12:29 AM
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I don't know any caricatures, I know people. I might steal this one for the future. It's a great way to put some of my biggest criticisms of TRP into words.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/14 12:26 AM
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Well, your opinion means shit. You asked for my opinion. Don't give me this rant when I answer you then. And according to many RPers in this thread, women don't belong in the military. So apparently this military draft being only for men is a good thing! Be glad feminism doesn't try to include women more in the military. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/14 12:23 AM
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I am of the opinion that no one should. I am 'officially' registered in the draft, but I'm far from a good soldier (nor will I ever be). A woman who is willing to go into the military will be a much better candidate than me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/14 12:07 AM
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LOL you have no conception of women then, sorry. Go ask men who are GOOD with women, cads and players, naturals, how totally nuts theyve seen women act. Of course some women are nuts. I'm not denying that. I'm saying that the joke isn't a good representation of reality. A few bad experiences such as 'crazy women' in the joke happens, but it is far from what normal dating is like. Your nice female friends dont tell you about them crying outside some go who banged them last week's door, threatenin…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/14 12:03 AM
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This seems to be a US problem mainly. I'm currently looking at the Dutch requirements to join the military and they seem to be more equal (Only difference I find is a slightly different requirement in height and weight. Certain jobs are even male-only.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 11:58 PM
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Im curious, do you think your nice women friends may behave differently around men theyre dating? Of course. They don't magically become crazy though. Dating doesn't make you do a 180 in terms of behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 11:51 PM
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Would you be fine with women in the military if they meet the requirements of men? If yes, then we essentially agree. I forgot about the lowered standards, which is a valid argument. I also don't really agree with that. You want to do the job, you should meet the requirements based on what the job entails, not based on what gender you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 11:49 PM
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Let's agree to disagree then.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 11:48 PM
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And that's a valid argument that can actually be discussed. That's something that I am not entirely agreeing with either. But women who join the military are not really at fault that the system somehow lowers their requirements. That's due to whoever put those changes into motion.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 11:45 PM
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It's subjective. I'm not fond of the joke since it is old and has been repeated too often, but I can recognize the punchline. You can understand jokes and not find them funny, you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 11:43 PM
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No, it isn't serious because the comparison was ridiculous. Being a woman and wanting to join the military (which is allowed) is in no way similar to wanting one million dollars and expecting others to pay for it (which is nonsense). Women are joining the military and are allowed to do so. You can argue about it, but you can't say women are at fault or being ridiculous for choosing the profession they want to be in.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 11:41 PM
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Didn't the thread in the OP also say how male-to-male sexual harassment is also a big problem. There are huge problems already, but there is also a huge stigma on male-to-male harassment. http://www.stripes.com/news/military-grapples-with-stigma-of-men-reporting-sexual-assault-1.318203 (First link I could find, I could look for better ones)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 11:38 PM
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Exactly, just a slight (very slight) hint of truth. It's not to be taken seriously on face value though. The hotter the chick is, the more you would put up with her craziness. The joke says that hotter women are crazy more often though. Not that men put up with more of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 11:34 PM
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It resonates because it gives a light-hearted point of view about dating. It's a way to joke around when discussing dating. It's just like the 'sleep/grades/social life-pick two' triangle for students. Basically every student knows that one. It gives a hyperbolic twist to something that makes the situation more light-hearted. On what basis do you think this joke resembles truths about dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 11:31 PM
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How is regular dating better though? Wouldn't she just 'next' you upon seeing you then? And what about blind dates?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 11:24 PM
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Because it is a joke and it resonates with people. It's easy and it has a good set-up towards the punchline (in this case the 'it's a dude' and the male graph). 'Haha, men and women are different. So true!' No one that I have heard telling this joke took it in any way seriously. It's just a simple joke.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 11:22 PM
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You're exactly right. A woman doesn't have any more "right" to go into the military than I have a "right" to demand a female-only salon cuts my hair. They indeed don't have the 'right'. But if women meet the requirements for joining the military, what is the problem exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 11:18 PM
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To be fair, basically no one takes this seriously. It's just a hyperbolic joke.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 11:12 PM
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I tried to debate you. You go on some kind of tangent and make ridiculous analogies. Tell me that this is a serious reply from you: So what? That is no reason to include women in the military. I want a million dollars. Should you be taxed to give it to me? The military serves a purpose, and that purpose is not "to allow women to fulfill their dreams of serving their country." That is not trying to have a debate. That is being ridiculous. You started it, as you always do.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 11:05 PM
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Gloria Allred I have no idea who that is. Do you have a link about the situation you are talking about? And men have seperate groups for plenty of activities (at least here in the Netherlands). My dad plays billiards every week in a male-only group. Cinemas have 'men's night' as well occasionaly, just like 'women's night'.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 11:01 PM
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What about those of us who don't have much longer to wait? It works for some people and doesn't for others. Just like regular dating/clubbing. And how do you mean 'don't have much longer to wait'? Online dating is the worst place an unattractive man can go for a date. Disagreed. In 'regular' dating, you'd lose any shot due to your looks alone. That is often the first 'filter'. In online dating, you can create a profile and inform people on more than just your looks. Looks are still a filter, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 11:00 PM
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So you're saying women are serving their purpose in the army, so there isn't any problem here? Great! (Yes, I am snarky here, since you have proven countless times that taking you seriously is a mistake.)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 10:57 PM
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So what? That is no reason to include women in the military. That wasn't the question I replied to. Nice try though. I want a million dollars. Should you be taxed to give it to me? And you complained about my debating earlier today? Go take a look in the mirror. The military serves a purpose, and that purpose is not "to allow women to fulfill their dreams of serving their country." And how are women not serving their purpose in the military exactly? I don't see why women can't contribute to the …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 10:53 PM
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Except my reality isn't even remotely your reality. Perhaps it is more of a perceptive difference? I mean...it's most likely no coincidence that you notice more of it after finding TRP. You are primed to focus on the negative aspects of women and are most likely (partially) blinded to the good ones. I'm much more optimistic and may be a bit blinded towards the negative aspects in the women (and men) around me.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 10:27 PM
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Of course, I'm just not really convinced by the delivery in this video. I've heard about this in more funny and less lerious ways. I guess it's just so old that it stopped being funny for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 10:14 PM
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It depends greatly on context and intent. Man and woman having a drink together, both getting drunk and having sex? No rape. Man and woman having a drink together, one of the two trying to stay sober and encouraging the other to drink more to have sex? Potential rape. Man and woman having a drink together, both getting drunk, either party insists on sex while second party is reluctant. Party gives in to sex due to clouded judgment with alcohol? Potential rape. Then again, it is very much depende…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 10:08 PM
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But no sources! /s This is a very old 'joke' already. My guess is that most people already heard about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 10:03 PM
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What are women even doing in the military? What are they doing there except as a statement of political correctness? They want to serve their country? I've also seen plenty of RPers complain about women not being in the army (which means men would be the 'disposable sex' bla bla), so this would be a step forwards in the eyes of them, right? As soldiers, they are detrimental every time they replace an equally or more qualified male on the battlefield. But do they replace them? Or are they simply …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 10:00 PM
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I'm not saying that at all. HHL seemed to suggest that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 09:04 PM
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Things like women only gyms and women only, at certain times, at the local swimming pool. But they aren't keeping an entire hobby to themselves...they're just having a seperate group for it. That's not what the argument was about in this chain. It was about women getting more interested in hobbies that were generally seen as 'male hobbies'. Of course there isn't any shame in wanting to do things with the same sex at times. Especially in the gym/pool/etc., where women and men may feel more comfor…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 08:48 PM
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You can't claim an entire hobby to be a 'male only'-space. You want to make a 'male only'-group for that hobby? Go ahead though! And women love to do that with what kind of hobbies exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 08:37 PM
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the absolute lack of respect or even disgust for humans with Y-chromosomes and: After finding TRP, I eventually discovered these traits in every single woman I know, no exceptions. Then you either know very little women or you should look around more. Your post sounds to ridiculously hyperbolic and foreign to me that I can't even begin to imagine with what kind of women you are hanging out with. Literally none of the women I know come even close to the picture you just described. Sure, most of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 08:25 PM
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If men give up on their hobbies because it is becoming more popular with women as well, they may want to think about what their problem is exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 06:53 PM
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Then I disagree with the initial post. Men seem to be just as likely to rationalize bad behaviour/decisions away as women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 04:06 PM
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Okay, fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 12:55 PM
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Isn't that essentially saying the same thing though? 'I had a reason for it' sounds awfully close to 'I did it for a reason, so I'm not a bad person for doing it. I'm still a good and decent person'. Two sides of the same coin.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 12:45 PM
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I think you misunderstood my post. I'm saying that the 'TRP stance' is also common in non-TRP. Not that engaging in 'female hobbies' is a good way to meet (and attract) women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 12:43 PM
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Ah, I wanted to put 'hypergamy' in there as TRP uses it. 'Hamstering is just a fancy word for 'rationalization', which everyone does. I just don't see women in relationships still looking for something 'better'.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 12:33 PM
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You just pretended that Red Pillers never use "AF/BB" to describe a situation where a girl dating a "beta" boy cheats on him with an "alpha" - yet TRP is full of that every single day. No, I did not. Read my posts again. Generally, AF/BB is used in the meaning of riding the 'cock carousel' and settling for a beta afterwards. I'm not saying the other meaning (short-term) doesn't exist. You are one of the worst and most disingenuous blue pillers on here - and that is saying a lot. That says nothin…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 12:12 PM
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The TRP stance would be "don't work on meeting women, work on yourself and they will come on their own", and I have to say that this is a more promising avenue than picking a "girly" hobby in the hopes women will appreciate you for it (unless we're talking about dancing). It's a not-too-uncommon fallacy, though. To be the fair, this is a pretty common non-RP stance as well. Still quoted for emphasis, since it is a great point!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 12:09 PM
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No. Work on improving yourself, but do not pretend to be someone who you're not. Sure...it may lower your chances of meeting potential partners. But I'd rather wait for partners who appreciate me for who I am, then getting more chances with partners who like me for the false persona I put up. You're not going to meet girls in front of a computer playing video games or browsing the internet. In this day and age, online dating gets more and more popular (and succesful). Filtering on hobbies/looks/…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 12:07 PM
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I recognize your handle, your actions - your statements - are enough to assume you are intentionally dishonest. Yeah, sure. You accuse any BPer of doing that. You are far worse than any BPer on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 12:03 PM
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If you count TRP's view of preferences in males (such as confidence), then the number is relatively high. Things like hypergamy/'riding the cock carousel'? A pretty small minority. At least when talking about the extent TRP describes these things. The 'cock carousel' is even non-existent in all my female friends, despite being in college where it supposedly happens alot. EDIT: Changed hamstering to hypergamy. Brain messed up.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 10:57 AM
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Sure, because you are purposefully interpreting AF/BB in the narrowest possible way in order to discredit the idea - you're using the standard Blue Pill tactic of failing to use the Principle of Charity when "debating." No, I am just using the term in the way RPers mostly do here on PPD. RPers rarely use it in the context of the ovulation cycle. Don't assume I am trying to be intentionally dishonest here, despite your clear anti-BP bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 10:53 AM
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Also, it's not zero-sum with conscious attraction or connection (just to be clear) Of course not, there will be overlap for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/14 10:07 PM
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and this isn't widely recommended or encouraged. It isn't? 'Spicing things up in the bedroom' to rekindle attraction seems to be quite common advice around me. I could see that fit into the 'primal attraction' part.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/14 09:53 PM
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Interesting! Thanks for the link. It's good to see a more scientific approach to the 'AF/BB' dynamic of the RP. Your source makes much more sense than that of the OP when talking about the shift in preferences long-term. One thing I am wondering though about the RP perspective on 'AF/BB': RP almost talks about being the 'beta bucks' as an insult. As a lesser purpose. The research you linked says women shift in their preference later in life due to a valid evolutionary reason (to support off-spri…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/14 09:43 PM
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I'm not denying it. This has been known for quite some time now (I'm fairly certain I read similar studies a few years ago). I'm just not agreeing that is a good foundation for the 'AF/BB' paradigm as it is used by the RP. The AF/BB seems to refer to a long-term preference from women to get alphas and afterwards settling for a beta. This study is about changes within a month. That's a pretty important difference. I'd even go as far to say there is a difference between 'primal attraction' (hormon…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/14 09:20 PM
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Except people aren't goods and having had sex doesn't somehow automatically lower your quality. It's a severely faulty analogy. Especially since the same applies to men in this analogy, so TRP would be making things worse for themselves as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/14 06:42 PM
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Why? Do blues wait? Isn't there anger self-righteous and constant? Why shouldn't I troll too? Because then you are just as bad as the people you complain about? And I think my jab was accurate btw. You ignore everything else said and focus on proving the jab right. I was typing on my phone last night and couldn't respond to the entire post that well and then forgot about it. The gist of it is that I simply disagree with you. Sure, you can perceive lots of things to be about 'power', but I don't …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/14 05:49 PM
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Real life. The stories about women on TRP sound incredibly alien to me. Or at least severely hyperbolic. ...Or maybe the Netherlands is the breeding place of 'unicorns'.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/14 02:55 PM
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I'm sure the severely mentally ill may not respond the same way to leadership, but I can't concern myself with them. ...This sentence alone is reason enough for me to quit my debate with you entirely. You are not willing to be reasonable with people who disagree with you, so I will not give you the time of day anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/14 02:30 PM
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...That's an incredibly flawed analogy. It's like saying the good that was dropped on the ground was disgusting, purely because the ground made the food dirty. Maybe the food would be still delicious! It mostly is personal preference. Especially since their past number is an invisible trait. You should look out for potential bad traits for relationships, but the number alone is meaningless in itself. A wife with zero past partners can be far worse than a wife with 20 past partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/14 02:27 PM
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But those kind of power dynamics are quite different from the ones that TRP encourages, since TRP encourages a specific power dynamic that is inflexible. I am mainly contesting that pre-determined power dynamic. That power is insignificant in many situations imo is a fruitless debate between the two of us, so I'll drop that part for now. Maybe in a separate thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/14 11:44 PM
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No, I'm talking about the reasonable RP theory such as the captain/first mate dynamic. To be honest, you seem to be one of the more extreme RPers here due to your reluctance to accept that not everyone fits your worldview.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/14 11:41 PM
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ohhhh scary. It isn't meant to be a threat or anything. It's simply criticism. I'd feel TRP could be better if they toned down the hyperbole and 'shock value' in their posts. The core of the RP can be conveyed in better ways in my opinion. Do you really think I'd be dumb enough to phrase things that way in person? Come on! I've been told repeatedly to have more tact/be subtle but even I'm not that bad. I never claimed that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/14 08:31 PM
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Of course. Just don't be surprised when people call you out on it though.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/14 07:43 PM
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I get plenty of jabs myself. Why am I not allowed to dish them out? Dish them out when others dish them out as well then?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/14 07:20 PM
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but it does convey the message rather well. If you want to sound like an ass, sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/14 07:19 PM
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Its a long topic, and frankly something for people more thought ful than blue pillers. Was that jab truly needed? You're only making a fool out of yourself with comments like that. And sure, power is present in a lot of things (although often hidden). I am challenging the belief that it plays a significant role in every relationship. TRP bases their dynamic on a certain power structure, but there are plenty of people who do not use or consider 'power' to be so important in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/14 06:35 PM
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Hardly. If the RPers don't oblige them, the sluts will find other men to have sex with. Doesn't matter. They are still a part of their own problem. TRP doesn't want to acknowledge it, but it is clear as day to outsiders that there are inconsistencies in their behaviour and wishes. This is one of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/14 03:50 PM
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I'm talking about the hard stuff that couple fight about. And who takes the hard decision can still be different depending on the situation. I've seen both my father and mother take large and hard decisions in their marriage, for an example. They're married for 25 years now. Then again, both my parents work about the same. My mother may even exceed my father in terms of earnings.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/14 01:36 PM
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Life experience! I have been married a very, very long time. And I have seen it in other people marriage to. And I'm not contesting that it doesn't exist or that a majority of relationships doesn't function this way. I see plenty of relationships in which the power shifts between both people, for an example. If that is balanced, I wouldn't say there is a clear 'power dynamic'. Of course someone makes a final decision, but that can differ between situations or can be done by an agreement of two p…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/14 01:29 PM
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Women are fucking nuts. Yet husbands the world over love them. Men are fucking nuts as well, yet wives also love them. We're all crazy!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/14 01:01 PM
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It never work like that. NEVER How do you know this?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/14 12:56 PM
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whereas sluttiness is disgusting. If it is so disgusting, how can you still have sex with these 'sluts' to begin with? RPers are enabling sluts.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/14 09:36 AM
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I believe the RP is an inherently selfish and 'everyone for himself!'-mindset. If one man gets to have sex with lots of women he is succesful in the eyes of the RP, despite him 'ruining' all these women for other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/14 09:33 AM
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Acting entitled to it, or treating those who don't meet your standards as if they're lesser human beings for not doing so, is where I would begin judge the person and their preference negatively. Exactly. You don't like to be with a women who has had 10+ partners or has short hair? Fine! You consider them to be 'damaged goods'? Not fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/14 09:28 AM
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Why? Because you can't imagine that people do not want to have a hierarchy in their relationship? I realize that power is a core aspect of RP relationships, but are you truly not aware of relationships where 'power' is insignificant or so subtle that it is negligible?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/14 09:19 AM
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The bodybuilding forum most likely attracts a certain kind of men as well though. Hardly a group of people representative of the average person.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 10:33 PM
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But it work! Again...for people who like those dynamics. RPers trying to shift the imbalance of power from women towards men is not the only option. There are plenty of 'hybrid power dynamics' as well. Or even relationships with no power dynamic. I personally prefer a flexible relationship, in which the 'power' (or leadership) shifts between both people depending on the situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 08:38 PM
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Yet simple TRP advice magically fixes it? You say 'taking the pill' works, yet you also say even the best marriage therapists have issues fixing it. Why should I believe you then? I value the opinion of professionals over that of a small community on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 08:12 PM
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I haven't seen the things as 'all women are hypergamous, women can't love men as men love women, women are like dogs etc. etc.' I have seen things like 'be confident, lift, take initiative' which TRP considers to be staples of the RP advice. In other words, I see the core of dating advice outside of TRP, but not the unique view on women and their behaviour within the RP community. It's the latter why I strongly reject the RP. If it wasn't for that, you could call me 'Purple Pill' I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 08:03 PM
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What "power dynamic"? Did you read my post regarding dominant vs domineering? RP doesn't have to look like a "power play." There is an inherent power play in the RP 'captain/first mate' dynamic. In a hierarchy, the higher ranks have more power/influence. Why do you think I would discount the hundreds of experiences/thoughts/advice from other men and women that I have been privy to throughout my life? Red Pill works for me, personally, but I crystallized my Red Pill thinking by comparing and cont…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 07:40 PM
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And that's the part where I disagree. It's confirmation bias to the maximum. You take the pill and it works? It works! You take the pill and it doesn't work? You're doing it wrong. RP dynamics aren't for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 07:37 PM
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You guys are religious in the way you hesitate to believe anything contrary to your political correctness. Some BPers? Sure. But if you can use the extremes of the BP as an example, then we should be allowed to use the extremes of the RP. But BP gets shot down for doing that as well by RPers. Being BP in the debate on PPD means nothing more than not being RP. Anything else depends a lot on the particular person. There's quite some variety within BP, just like there is within RP.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 07:24 PM
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Fair enough I guess. I simply haven't encountered anyone in real life yet who shared the RP view on women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 07:12 PM
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People criticize him because they most likely have differing opinions and preferences. Same as the RP criticizing many non-RP dynamics. What's 'fairly basic stuff' in relationship dynamics such as 'captain/first mate' will differ greatly from 'fairly basic stuff' in egalitarian relationships. People should learn for themselves what dynamic they want to be in or feel most comfortable in.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 07:02 PM
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I really don't believe that "non-RP" men who are "wildly successful" are, in fact, operating separately from RP ideas. That's because many 'RP ideas' exist outside of the RP as well. Most of the most sexually successful men I know are quite Red Pill, even though they may not have thought of it that way. Confirmation bias? 'They are succesful and utilize ideas we phrased as RP, thus they are RP'. What about the possibility that these men are not RP, yet use some ideas that the RP likes as well? I…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 06:47 PM
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It isn't fool-proof (hence my frequent "you're doing it wrong!" admonitions), but is a helluva lot better than the alternatives. Depends on the people involved. I'd be incredibly unhappy in an RP dynamic. Such a 'power dynamic' would constantly eat at my mind. Believe me, I've made sex/love/relationships my life's work for decades, and I've studied the issue in depth from all sides. I didn't just stumble onto the TRP sub one day and learned everything I needed to know. And you are just one perso…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 06:45 PM
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And yet, there is a huge industry that caters to people looking to find or maintain happy relationships. Of course. Almost everyone is looking for intimacy/relationships at some point, so there will always be a market for it. Using tools to reach your goal does not mean you are a failure. And a high divorce rate. Plenty of reasons for that. I don't think that many people feel that a "happy relationship" is "normal." I do. Failing relationships will happen, but that does not mean they were automa…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 06:44 PM
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Every RP sub and forum reports metrics of success on a large scale. As I recall, no amount of this counts as evidence of anything to the BP side though. It's indicative that RP works...for some people.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 06:41 PM
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Anything else you want to contribute except for snark?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 06:41 PM
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Trying to push through the 'resistance' of a woman having some doubts about having sex with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 06:37 PM
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If it works for them, more power to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 06:31 PM
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Ah okay. Thanks for the clarification.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 06:30 PM
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"Guard your reputations." I.e. "Care what others think." Doesn't this go against the general RP idea that they don't care about what others think?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 06:26 PM
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Counter-examples for what? A strawman that you made up? What kind of examples do you want?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 05:53 PM
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Doesn't change anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 05:53 PM
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You know damn well that you made loaded questions on purpose here. Phrasing them as 'questions' doesn't fool anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 05:33 PM
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Yes, but not in such an extreme way. There's a huge grey area between the RP idea of 'overcoming LTR' and the BP strawman of 'asking consent for every little act and treat her as a princess'.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 05:16 PM
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BP Psychology student here (third year). Your claims are unsupported and include huge leaps in logic. It's fine to disagree with the RP, but at least don't be an ass about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 04:49 PM
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BP strawman at its finest.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 04:46 PM
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Good luck debunking our personal life experiences, which are by far more convincing for most than stats. I feel the whole 'RP vs. BP' debate shouldn't be about debunking each other, but figuring out to what extent they work for different people. Logically, the 'Purple Pill' is the most appropiate stance you can take. RP dynamics (such as captain/first mate) work for plenty of people, while egalitarian relationships also work for plenty of others.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 03:37 PM
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I post 1000% more on TBP than TRP and the illogical stance of some of those guys... I don't know. Both sides have their fair share of illogical arguments. BP (non-RP) has methods as well, but TBP is not the place to discuss them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 03:34 PM
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You do know there are both good and bad relationships, right? It's not like TRP has the fool-proof method either.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 01:40 PM
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And this is a perfect example of what I meant in my other replies. An RPer who pretends BPers are only happy because they are 'ignorant'. Thanks for proving my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 01:39 PM
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They deny BP works. If we talk about other people that come somewhere between RP an BP then the outcome will fall somewhere in between But RPs view on 'BP' is a huge strawman. BP in the original sense of the analogy is everything that is non-RP.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 12:06 PM
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Maybe i misread your response but am not sure what exactly is your point ? My point is that the question in the OP is nonsense, since this 'BP group with the efficiency of TRP' are the non-RP men who are also wildly succesful. And yes, plenty of RPers deny that non-RP works. It happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 11:36 AM
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In this case indeed trp is not normal. TRP isn't 'normal' since TRP isn't the standard. That does not automatically mean it is inferior though. Same that being gay isn't 'normal', but that does not mean my sexuality is in any way wrong or inferior. It's simply not the standard. There are simply way too many non-RP men who are happy with themselves and their relationships that TRP rarely acknowledged (or even rejects in favour of their own world view). I've even seen plenty of RPers trying to cla…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 11:05 AM
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There already is such a group. Most 'normal' men who have happy relationships in real life without needing TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 08:56 AM
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Wow, the news of Ferguson got all the way to the Netherlands? We have quite a lot of foreign news in our regular news, whether it is on our public tv channels or Dutch news sites. Otherwise, this whole shirtgate thing was pretty silly. It was a dumb fucking shirt but I can't believe the amount of backlash it got. I found it pretty ironic that the feminists who were complaining about lack of female representation in places like NASA were more concerned about his fashion then about his accomplishm…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 08:39 PM
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And stereotypes are also often flawed or false. A stereotype about a vocal minority does not accurately describe the entire group.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 03:38 PM
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Casual six-wise yes. Relationship wise not so much though.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 03:37 PM
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Two men together deal with plenty of bullshit from each other as well. Men aren't as logical and 'easy' as TRP thinks they are. That said, I do think we have it slightly easier due to more similarities.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 09:36 AM
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And because it is often simply incorrect as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 09:34 AM
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Having no rules or protocols for young men to follow, the gaming field is tilted to those who have looks, status, wealth, and the ugly or average ones have no opportunities to present themselves to the opposite sex? How is the 'system' in the OP any different? The ugly or average ones can be shut down as soon as Step 2 comes up. The gaming field is still very much tilted.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 12:35 PM
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If you want clearer information on how it is diagnosed, you should take a look at the DSM IV or V.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 07:41 AM
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I think for the most part FtMs have an easier time passing. Look at Jared Leto and Justin Bieber. There are plenty examples of "pretty" men who women still find attractive despite having somewhat feminine features. I think so as well. We've had a TV program about transgenders in the Netherlands recently and it was amazing to see how some transitions are so thorough that you truly can't see it anymore. Reference: http://transgendernetwerk.nl/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/krohiez.jpg http://a2.img.mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/14 12:36 PM
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It's as unhealthy as saying that a girl can never put on weight. It's possible for her to maintain her weight, just as it's possible for a man to never show vulnerability to his woman. They are two entirely different situations. Everyone has weaknesses and insecurities. Gaining, maintaining or losing weight is very different from this. but women are biologically predisposed to finding weakness unattractive. You really need to give a source for this, as you phrase it as a well-established fact. Y…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/14 04:47 PM
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TRP discusses what is ultimately the most attractive to women, and being characteristically strong at all times is one of those things. Look at how frequently women suggest they want emotionally-stable men (re: stoicism). They want a man who is their "rock". Surely you've heard that before. Sure. What I disagree with TRP is that expressing vulnerability has no place or can't happen. That's the unhealthy part. Expecting your partner to never open up is unrealistic. TRP should be aware of that. It…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/14 03:32 PM
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As far as I can recall, I've never been 'virgin shamed'. Neither were most people around me. I think a major component here is what kind of friendships you have with what kind of people. In high school, most of my friends happened to be virgins. The ones who did have sex never made an issue out of it or shamed others for it. That said, I can fully imagine more 'masculine' groups of men to put more value on sex. In such groups, I think 'virgin shaming' is much more likely.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/14 02:52 PM
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I could probably dig up studies, but instead I'll defer to the literal thousands of anecdotes on the internet, as well as those in the TRP main sub. Yes, the plural of anecdote isn't data, but you don't need a study to tell you water is wet. I do need more than just anecdotes, since I don't recognize many of the things TRP describes as 'truth'. I'm not convinced it applies to everyone, which TRP often suggests. If you've ever expressed weakness for a lengthy period around women, you will see tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/14 02:46 PM
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Depends on the type of man, one is a slut and the other is a stud. If you are being fucked by a lot of different men, slut. If you are fucking, stud. What kind of nonsense is this? Why would the one who fucks in gay relationships be the stud and the one who receives the slut?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/14 12:25 PM
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Because women fundamentally are disgusted by weakness in men. You really need to back that up with something. You can't just expect me to blindly accept that view. It sounds so foreign when I look around me that it baffles me how TRP can truly believe this. Also: Men can have true open honest vulnerable emotional intimacy with an LTR or wife Does not equal weakness
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/14 10:33 PM
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But her reactions may indicate otherwise. Fixed that for you. Maybe some women will fall for that, but there are plenty who will see right through that nonsense. I think TRP needs a realitycheck about this at times: Their strategies are not fool-proof and do not work for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/14 06:46 PM
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There's no need for snark (yet). Many arguments on here are initially presented without any sources. I'm giving him the chance to give a source to support his argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/14 05:20 PM
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Then here's that same woman who's trying to prove to company I haven't completely swept her off her feet. Arguing. Laughing. As if we're fast friends. ...Or she just indulges you with your 'romance advice'. I can laugh and have fun about things I find ridiculous as well, doesn't mean that it is automatically working though.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/14 05:11 PM
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Probably because bisexuality in women raises SMV ("OMG FFM threesome potential!"). Bisexuality in men lowers SMV, however - women see bisexual men as less prone to loyalty, and men tend to see male bisexuality as an existential threat to their own sexual identities OR as closet cases in denial. I wouldn't say it is about SMV, it's still a subject with a lot of stigma attached to it. the evolutionarily paradoxical phenomenon is the absence of heterosexual desire, not the presence of homosexual de…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/14 04:49 PM
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Could you give the link to that one?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/14 04:37 PM
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. She got intrigued and determined to upset me. We mock flirted for like 4 minutes and she laughed solidly a couple of times at the absurdity and forwardness of it but still declared it hadn't worked. Go figure. This...doesn't really show it worked at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/14 11:58 AM
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you ignore the fact that women with higher partner counts have far highe chances of breaking off relationships when compared to those who didn't express their 'sexual freedom' ...And I am curious: Does that also count for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/14 11:54 AM
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Don't people in general have a much more disfavorable view of bi or gay men than they do of bi or gay women? Yup. Especially by men. Women seem to be more accepting of both sides.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/14 11:15 AM
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Since when are nerds attractive? Not to everyone, but there are people who find them attractive. That's my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/14 05:19 PM
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Explain how both 'nerds' and 'alpha men' can be attractive then. In your eyes, only one attractive kind of person exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/14 04:55 PM
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Biological drives ARE INSTINCTUAL. And yet we can override some of those drives with our conscience if we so desire. Attraction IS INSTINCTUAL. Yes, but not everyone is attracted to the same thing. It's instinctual, but depends on the genetic make-up of both people.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/14 04:42 PM
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Then why do humans freeze when they are about to be run over by a car? There are some instincts and reactions that are mostly the same for everyone, yes. What you fail to explain is the leap of logic into thinking everything else is the same as well for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/14 04:05 PM
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A species of animal behaves individually exactly the same. ...You never worked with animals, have you? I can assure you that they do not act all the same. Source: Worked in a kennel for over 7 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/14 04:03 PM
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TRP either is right or its wrong. False. The world isn't black and white like that. People aren't black and white like that. It is far more realistic to say that TRP is right about some things and wrong about other things as well. That also applies to non-RP ideas.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/14 04:03 PM
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Why does TBP want me to remain weak and confused when TRP shows young men like me the way? We don't? Not being RP does not equal being weak. If I may speak for BPers, we just do not like the bad aspects of TRP. We're all for improving yourself, but we oppose the rampant misogyny in many of their members. I don't agree that TRP is worth it, since the noise-to-signal ratio is way too high. Why dig through piles of mud to find little gems that can also be found elsewhere? Even aside from that, I am…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/14 04:00 PM
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Nonsense. How do you come to this conclusion?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/14 09:39 PM
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Is the goal of having sex pathetic? Pathetic? I wouldn't go that far. I can only say that such a goal would feel 'empty' for me. I would prefer to strife for a relationship (in which you have sex). Sex itself isn't interesting for me, unless it is with a person I truly like. If I study hard in school only to get a job is that also pathetic? If you purely study to make money (for example law or medicine while not being that much interested in it), I'd say that's an 'empty' goal as well. I would r…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/14 09:36 PM
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They are becoming worse people. I would rephrase this to: They are becoming more selfish people.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/14 09:34 PM
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I agree. TRP says it is due to the 'anger phase' that will pass, but the sub itself almost promotes members to linger in that anger phase for far too long by the sheer amount of 'angry posts' on there.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/14 09:29 PM
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I think this is a sensible stance on the matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/14 09:50 AM
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I understand the thought behind it somewhat, but this simply goes way too far and is frankly kind of ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/14 09:41 AM
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You're offended because you have an unrealistic expectation of how a group should talk among themselves. Yes, obviously, men exhibit the behaviors we discuss. Post-hoc rationalization, which we calling "hamstering" is absolutely something men do. But there is literally no good reason that we should have to follow up every sentence with a legal disclaimer clarifying that men do this too. The problem is when TRP constantly talks about men being rational and women being emotional. It's as if some o…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 11:15 PM
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It's only the nerds who needed it. They were the only ones who were dumb enough to listen to the feminists in the first place. What is your definition of 'nerd' here? I'd say they have nothing to do with listening to feminists or whatever. Their social life and dating life is just different from that of frat houses in college or the macho bros in the gym.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 11:05 PM
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Aside from you strawmanning the 'BP arguments' quite a bit, I'll try to address some: "Just be yourself", is true. If you're attractive. Sure, the 6'3" star athlete with the body of an underwear model, and a 100m trust fund will do quite well "being himself". Not so much if you're an overweight shy computer nerd. It's also useful for people to realize they shouldn't try to be someone who they are not. It's fine on working to improve yourself, but I personally could never be happy if I had to act…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 04:17 PM
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... Like any TRPer? (or anyone else for that matter?)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/14 07:34 PM
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Is there a correlation between the 'bad' traits and the 'attractive' traits, or are they merely coincidental? It's more that they are side-effects of the other behaviour. A 'bad boy' will act in self-interest and will appear to be confident and strong and exciting due to that. A 'nice guy' is overly nice and tries to avoid conflict, which may make him look too passive or boring. There are plenty of people who combine these positive traits in a healthy way, but the 'bad boys' have more overlap to…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 06:26 PM
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Why are guys like Henry so much more sexually and romantically successful than guys like the author of the blog? Because despite Henry's bad behaviour, it often is accompanied by characteristics that are attractive (charisma, confidence). Being nice has its merits in relationships (it's even essential for a healthy relationship), but in itself often isn't enough to create attraction. The most balanced partner is one who takes aspects from both sides. One who is confident and charismatic, but als…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 06:06 PM
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I'd say gender roles are 'toxic' when people feel like they actively have to act a certain way or suppress certain behaviours because that's what their 'role' is. It's funny to see how gay people can 'break' their gender roles and nobody will be surprised about it. It's one of the only 'benefits' to that. I'm a feminine man and that suits me just fine. I hope that straight people can also break these gender roles without weird reactions in the near future.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 03:12 PM
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No, I mean getting a child by having sex to avoid taxes. I just don't think that is a good idea. I just don't see why people should be penalized for not having children.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 03:02 PM
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but essentially I propose an extra income tax on men and women over the age of 35 if they remain childless. Wouldn't that just encourage people to get a child to avoid a tax...doesn't really seem like a good idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 02:54 PM
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Keyword: several. There are also several RPers who have admitted to raping women, but God forbid when people bring that up! Outliers always exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 05:34 PM
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We don't think that most women are represented by Jezebel and Cosmo. There are several RPers who have claimed that Cosmo is the 'female mainstream' here on PPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 05:27 PM
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You present the best of one side and the strawman of the other. Not really a fair comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 05:09 PM
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Weren't you in a long-term relationship/married? Are you saying you have not properly committed either?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 02:55 PM
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Strawman ahoy! I have never seen or heard a 'Blue Piller' say that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 09:48 AM
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That's a reasonable stance though. I'd say the women are at fault mostly, but the OP should self-reflect on what makes it happen to him so often. getting cheated on 7 times is being an extreme outlier. It could be bad luck, but it also could be something about him.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 09:44 AM
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Just your perception of the 'truth' though. It is limited in scope and misses the mark as well. It's arrogant to believe you know 'the truth' about all male/female interaction. I'd recommend to keep both sides into account, since people do not always fit into the RP or BP stereotypes.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 11:50 PM
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Why complicate shit? Because things are actually complicated. You can't just pretend that everything is simple, when it is obviously not the case. if everything was so simple, we wouldn't still be trying to find out how the brain works. Some guy is 'transgender'? Gay. You do realize you have MtF/FtM who like women and MtF/FtM who like men, right. Sexuality has nothing to do with being transgender.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 07:20 PM
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You enjoy it more than you hate it. Tell that to 15-year old me who hated himself for quite some time for his 'choice'. I'm fine with it now, but back then I was a wreck because of it. If you tomorrow decided to try being straight you could do it. Nope. I couldn't. Women don't do anything for me. Could you be gay tomorrow if you wanted? Gay men are much more promiscuous than probably any other category of people that I can think of. Stereotype ahoy! I just don't like it when I see people encoura…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 04:00 PM
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The 'thrill of the hunt', maybe?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 03:33 PM
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Could you elaborate? I just can't imagine marrying someone without knowing if we are sexually incompatible, so I am curious how you view premarital sex or sex in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 12:52 PM
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BPers are often willfully ignorant. I'd say the same for RP. Both sides like to pick whatever fits their beliefs and reject whatever doesn't. It's most likely a combination of both 'worlds'.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 12:46 PM
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I'm not just referring to the DSM here. There's also research on the brain that shows that transgender people's brain/brain activity are more similar to that of the identified gender than the sex they currently are.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 12:46 PM
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How is it ridiculous? You can't expect people who oppose your views to take your experiences and arguments on your word alone. Of course you'll need to present some kind of more objective evidence than that to make a convincing argument. Sources themselves also need to be looked at critically, but they will have more value in an argument than experiences and anecdotes that are influenced by biases.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 11:19 AM
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purely by political correctness I know TRP likes to claim this is the case, but do not forget that there may be relatively little RP results in science, because RP beliefs may be inaccurate. It's most likely a combination of both.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 11:18 AM
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That's the point. Transgender people do indeed have either a penis or vagina, but identify as the opposite gender that is usually associated with that sex. You're talking about sex (biological), not gender (mental).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 11:06 AM
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Yeah but TRP is backed by science, countless anecdotes, and I can see it in my life. Most of TRP beliefs on gender and sexuality go against science though. The post of HHL in the Gender Thread (which is the most upvoted one) ignores any scientific advancements of recent years.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 09:41 AM
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Gender: Biologically, there are only two - male and female. Penis or vagina. Those are the only two I recognize unless there are extra or no genitalia. You are confusing gender with sex. In your view, transgender people can't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 09:13 AM
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Only problem is I'm super anti- at the moment due to their continued assaults on religious freedom. Extremes always miss the mark. I'm gay and realize that traditional religious beliefs don't really connect with that. I hope we can reach a level of 'tolerance' by religious people so gay have equal rights everywhere. I can't ask for 'acceptance' yet. Personally I believe trans people ought to be left alone, given counseling/therapy and stopped from suicide until they can learn to accept their bod…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 09:09 AM
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I don't believe that sexuality is hard wired. What do you believe it is then? I'm just curious about that. If you think it is a choice (I'm not sure you do though), can I ask you this question: Why would I choose to be gay? They are living deviant lifestyles in my eyes I hate the word 'lifestyle' so much in the discussion surrounding sexuality. It's like people are telling us that 'the gays' are living a significantly different life from 'normal' people. We really don't. We just prefer partners …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 09:04 AM
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Relationships: (My own personal faults:) Alone time is important, maybe we don't need to go to that party. Or better yet you go, give the host my regards, and let me catch up on reading Is this controversial?! Alone time is essential for me as well, even with my partner. Maybe this is a bit of an introvert vs. extravert issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 09:01 AM
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Why? Isn't the RP staple advice of 'lifting' a slight form of altering your body to feel better as well? Or people with cosmetic surgery? It's too easy to say something is wrong with them, while it is a complex issue. Transgender people who don't transition are often far more unhappy than those who did. Isn't that reason enough to encourage /support transitioning for them?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 08:01 AM
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And I have no idea what you mean with it. Even Googling it gives no real indication as what the argument is when you take neuropsychology into account.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/14 09:38 PM
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Except I don't see the 'fad' you are referring to. At all. The few people I know that identify as transgender are actually working on transitioning and are certainly not doing it for attention or because it is 'cool'.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/14 09:33 PM
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I'm not going to try to find your argument (that consisted of one word).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/14 09:31 PM
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But I promise you, it's true I've also seen homosexuality get more and more accepted (which is a great thing). My expectation is that the same will happen to transgenders over time.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/14 09:21 PM
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It's just getting started, you'll see I strongly doubt that. There is no indication at all that people who transitioned will regret their decision. It takes a lot of effort to even be able to start the transitioning, so it's not like people think of this as a silly 'fad' to transition for funsies. It's also the most effective 'treatment' that is currently known. Do you have any basis for the expectation that people will regret their transitioning? Or is it just your view based on nothing else th…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/14 09:19 PM
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...I have no idea what you mean by that. Could you elaborate?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/14 09:12 PM
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Interesting. My textbooks are already outdated then within 2 years! Thanks for the link, I'll give it a good read later.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/14 07:26 PM
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There is nothing but physical In a certain way everything is physical, I agree. But we use 'mental' to refer to states in the brains. An issue with neurotransmitters is still classified as a mental disorder.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/14 06:31 PM
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Except we count neurological issues under 'mental disorders' in most cases. It's physical in the sense that it is a brain issue, but we call that 'mental'. Also (taken from wikipedia, can look for other sources for definitions): Transsexualism, the condition in which a transgender individual identifies with a gender inconsistent or not culturally associated with their assigned sex You're talking against yourself here. Transgender is the umbrella term, including transsexualism.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/14 06:12 PM
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The social sciences aren't science, Neuropsychology is much more objective and thorough than you give it credit for. Call me in 10 years. Remember that I said it Sure thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/14 06:04 PM
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Were you not paying attention? In the span of an hour, you and I reached agreement that gender is essentially belief. Faith, if you will. No, we didn't. You seriously need to twist my argument for that. So why worry about their odd beliefs? It isn't a belief. It's as much of a belief as discovering you are gay.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/14 06:01 PM
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In 10 years the "transgender" fad will be over and forgotten, mark my words. This is something only getting old can tell you. What is your opinion on the scientific community basically confirming transgenderism is an actual phenomenon? It objectively isn't a 'fad'. This is something only getting old can tell you. I think that you just use that as a rationalization for your ignorance.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/14 05:43 PM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/14 05:20 PM
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So can people in wheelchairs and people with cancer. They even employ the mentally handicapped at McDonalds. You can have defects and still be human. You can even still be productive. ...I think you know very well what I meant. People in wheelchairs are limited in what they can do physcially compared to people without a disability. People with cancer need treatment or they die. Transgenders can function exactly the same as cisgenders (although transgenders are more happy when they transition). B…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/14 05:12 PM
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Somewhere along the line, society stopped calling defective people defective because offending people is a big deal when you live in a first world country with little starvation or war Science stopped calling them defective because they realized that it is simply a deviation. Deviations does not equal being defective at all times. Transgender people can function just like anyone else in society.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/14 04:59 PM
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The exact causes for phenomenons as transgenderism are still unknown as far as I know. Like most of the time, it may be a combination of genetics, hormonal influences in the womb and environmental factors after birth.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/14 04:36 PM
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Why is it such a big deal that red pillers want to be masculine? Nothing wrong with that. You forget to mention how RP feels that that is the best for everyone though. RP often refuses to acknowledge that people can hailly function outside of traditional gender roles. TBP is oppressive to cis white males because it denies them the ability to be free to express who they really are inside. Nonsense. This is a huge strawman. So, what's the issue? Why are you not celebrating masculinity with them an…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/14 04:34 PM
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You didn't ask me that? RP and BP has nothing to do with sex and gender. Also, sexuality has little to do with sex and gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/14 04:29 PM
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So if I'm born with a penis, a Y chromosome, and the ability to impregnate women, and I live a completely male role in society and like my life, I might have this tingly feeling that my gender is actually woman? You could, yes. I've known a transgender that was pretty damn manly, but still identified as a woman. Because "identity" is something different somehow than what we are physically and how we live our lives? Like having a female soul or something? Is gender like faith? No, the brain is si…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/14 04:27 PM
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I think you lack knowledge of what gender actually is. You don't decide whether you are a male or female gender based on how womanly or manly you act or think. It's a feeling you have to identify yourself, just like sexuality. If I'm a man who likes girly drinks instead of beer, that's a little more womanly than a regular man. Maybe not as far down the line as wearing a dress, but guys who identify themselves as having feminine drinking qualities are somewhere between all-man and all-woman. Liki…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/14 04:15 PM
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Physical (sex) and Mental (gender). That's as simple as it gets in terms of explanation.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/14 04:12 PM
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I thought it was women who were the "default" sex, and men morphing due to hormones? It is. We all start out as the 'woman prototype' and men develop differently due to receiving different kind of hormones (testosterone and Anti-Mullerian Hormone). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_differentiation_in_humans
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/14 04:07 PM
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What is your opinion on transgenders, if I may ask?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/14 04:05 PM
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...Don't be ridiculous. Seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/14 04:03 PM
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They're the same thing. No, otherwise transgender people wouldn't exist. Please note that I have not said that there are far more genders than sexes or anything like that. I believe gender is mostly male/female with a few potential outliers. I only said that gender is not the same as sex (which is commonly accepted within the scientific community). If people get to invent genders based on their preferences for sex, I get to invent genders based on my preferences, too. Except it isn't about their…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/14 03:56 PM
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Two. Do you get pregnant and birth children, or do you fertilize the eggs of someone who does? That's sex though. Not gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/14 03:48 PM
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He wanted to be 'edgy' (creating 'shock value') and is now dealing with the consequences of it. He brought this upon himself. Yes, this video is partially him trying to hamster it away (especially the 'poor attempt at humour' argument he keeps repeating).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/14 03:42 PM
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So let the guy that asks the question decide whether he values the input of the lesbian woman or not. That's not up to you. She's a woman so she may answer the questions that are asked there as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/14 11:33 AM
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Believe it or not, the mods say that the purpose of the sub, AskWomen, a forum where people can ask a group of women to help better understand women as a whole, is to showcase how all women are unique. You'll see trends of similar answers, but I bet you'll also see small unique aspects within each answer. That's the point. Men and women can be generalized, but almost all of them have some kind of unique combination of traits, desires and aspirations. They're not 'unique' as in '100% different', …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/14 10:37 AM
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"You'll die alone." I really haven't heard this one as an actual accusation from anyone in my life. My uncle is 40+ and single as well, but I never heard anyone speak negatively about it like that. My point is that it most likely isn't a 'BP/Feminist' argument at all. It's an argument for shitty people.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/14 10:28 AM
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I mean the 'outrage' in the niche Internet communities, they're trying way too hard about this. I haven't heard anything about it anywhere else either.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/14 11:45 PM
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As much as I disliked the shirt for being grossly unprofessional, I feel the 'outrage' about it has gone way too far.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/14 10:39 PM
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Isn't 'hierarchy' just a fancy word for differences in power (in the RP context)? Those at the top of the pyramid have more power than those in the lower ranks.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/14 08:38 PM
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Ironic coming from you, since the RP is all about power dynamics in a relationship. There's no actual power between men and women either. Why does the RP use 'power' then? So imprecise and shifty...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/14 08:22 PM
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Life experience gives him a pretty big 'advantage'. The teenager has no clue about what is normal and what not for relationships, so the adult could groom the teenager into his/her perfect partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/14 07:59 PM
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That sounds awkward as fuck if you've had sex at 14 or 15 but suddenly had to stop because you aren't allowed anymore. Happened with drinking alcohol in the Netherlands as well last year. The age went up from 16 to 18, so people who were allowed to drink suddenly couldn't anymore. It's pretty awkward for those people indeed.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/14 07:57 PM
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A lot of relationship counselors and sex therapists and the like today are saying that women are abandoning great men. Maybe because being a great man does not automatically mean you are automatically a great partner for all women? There's also a thing such as compatibility. And I'm not sayin that women don't divorce for the wrong reasons. I'm sure plenty of them do. I'm just saying that in many cases women divorce for very valid reasons beyond 'being unhaaaapy'. You believe what you like though…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/14 12:08 PM
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a.k.a. women become unhaaaapy? You know damn well that 'women became unhaaaapy' is used as something different from there being valid biological influences that negatively influences them when there's conflict. The 'women are unhaaapy' is most commonly used to claim women are whiny or can't commit to partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/14 09:09 AM
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In fact, I would say that you love to assume all things about women that put them in a positive light. The "women are wonderful effect" is strong with you. Me saying these things about men would elicit no response. Nonsense. I am fully aware women can be awful, horrible people. I'm just against the focus and emphasis from many RPers on how horrible most women are, while ignoring the same faults in men. Both men and women have the potential to be horrible people. If a sub-reddit trashed men only …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/14 09:07 AM
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So you are okay with 2 immature people having sex, but you aren't okay with 1 immature person and 1 mature person having sex. Wouldn't your logic say that the 2 immature people having sex is worse? No, since there isn't an imbalance between the two partners. Also, I'm not saying every relationship between a young and older person is wrong. I'm saying that I am a bit more cautious about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/14 09:05 AM
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I guess it depends also on the age of the second person. I have not a single issue with two 15 year olds having a relationship, but a relationship between a 15 year old and 30 year old will make me cautious. It's also 16 here in the Netherlands as far as I know, which should be fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/14 10:54 PM
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That is pretty much a non-answer. Can you address my actual question, or do you just want to pretend you know everything and refuse to back anything up? I'm very curious whether your description of 'women' also includes yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/14 06:21 PM
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You love to make assumption about women that put them in a negative light, don't you? You have absolutely no clue whether she thought that or not. Is this the way you also think about your man/partner? If not, why do you assume you are different?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/14 06:00 PM
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Most of the women I've been with have been terrified of a man going down on them and the others have not exactly offered tips. Maybe because women who are less than 20 years old are inexperienced and can't really give tips yet? You can hardly blame women from your age group for not knowing exactly what they like and want.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/14 05:40 PM
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Of course. TRPers just often say that if you can't have sex with women, they are not worth your time. They also talk about friendship and such in those occasions.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/14 05:08 PM
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Overall, these results extend the existing literature on marital functioning and health by highlighting the associations between positive marital interactions and health outcomes. Though prior work has found that men incur fewer physiological costs from marital conflict, the current study indicates that men also may reap fewer benefits from marital support. Put another way, it seems wives may surpass their husbands in both the costs and the benefits gleaned from marriage. I think the conclusion …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/14 01:09 PM
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Nobody is saying they only want sex. Explain the 'why be friends with women if you won't have sex with them' thoughts then? They are commonly found on TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/14 09:30 AM
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There is more to understanding th ehuman condition than surveys written by ideologically slanted sociology majors, Of course, such as relationships around you. You even refuse to acknowledge the huge amount of non-RP couples in happy relationships. It's literally everywhere around you. I'm saying both RP and non-RP relationships can be succesful. If you can't do that than I will take the collected wisdom of men over anything anyone else proffers You mean the 'collective wisdom' of a relatively s…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 04:25 PM
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Then go look at /r/deadbedrooms[1] and the MMSL emergency 911 forum to see what men get in return for it. ...And then realize that that is a severaly flawed source to base your argument on, since that sub doesn't show any of the relationships in which there aren't any issues. You're displaying confirmation bias here. You accept everything that fits your belief and reject everything that counters it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 04:16 PM
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TRP gives men advice on how to have relationships where the man gets both the respect and sexual attention he wants But how do you know TRP accomplishes this? How do you know this doesn't happen outside of TRP?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 03:08 PM
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My point is that what TRP wants in theory, does not always equal what members of TRP do in practice. Just like TRP says about women: 'Look at what they do, not at what they say.'
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 03:07 PM
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I...don't really know what this has to do with the question I asked to HHL.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 02:55 PM
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That doesn't stop many TRPers from complaining on how hard men have it and how women are to blame. The idea of TRP may be men taking responsibility, but many members/followers fail to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 02:46 PM
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This critique applies to both RP and BP though. I've seen dozens of examples in which TRP reads a 'BP success story', followed by countless of RPers who suddenly know everything about the relationship and how it will end. Both sides should try to be more aware of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 02:41 PM
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We consider "success" in a relationship to include the MAN getting the continued sex and the RESPECT(as man define respect) that he desires. How would you possibly measure this? You are setting your expectations up to be unprovable.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 02:38 PM
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Would 'humanist' be something like a racist when bots are integrated in society? ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/14 02:29 PM
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And on what do you base your ideas of submissive fantasies on men? Your entire post reads like some kind of desperate rationalization.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 11:55 PM
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So why talk? Why not just "become more attractive" Because it isn't always about attraction. If your partner's issue is huge stress that lowers her sex drive, trying to become more desirable is not the solution.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 10:13 PM
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Lets assume they DO identify some issues, like stress, or chores, or whatever other excuses matter. Do you honesty think that you can talk someone into finding you sexy? If there was some person on the street who you did not find sexy, could they present you with a contract or have you identify issues that would cause you to change your mind? Of course not. You can't verbally negotiate desire. The difference is that you did find your partner attractive at one point. That means there is physical …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 10:10 PM
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Okay, so the low libido partner initiates a discussion: What's the problem for him? Is it the sex itself? The frequency? How does he think about the way you two have sex (or don't have sex). The high libido partner should ideally also open up and voice his opinion. What does he like? What are his issues? Often you'll have to find a compromise or identify a problem. If it simply is a case of clashing libidos and nothing else, you may just be sexually incompatible. You can either try to compromise…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 09:11 PM
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Which actions are taken and who takes them? Depends on the couple, depends on the problem, depends on their unique contexts. So many potential problems and solutions, that there truly isn't one answer. If you say "I need sex in my life" she won't suddenly find you attractive, because being obliged to fuck someone is the least sexy thing ever. So she won't take any action she'll just feel pressured and guilty after the talk. The only party left to "take action" is the guy, and that's rape. Nonsen…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 08:50 PM
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But why are you not fucking? And don't expect that the talk alone suddenly lets you have passionate sex again. It takes work after that talk to try to come back to such a point. Talking is just a big first step to solve the problem. It is not the solution in itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 08:47 PM
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In the case of the malesub, they would be a detriment to any society that allow too many of them to express themselves within the larger society. The overall degradation of masculine toughness and power would weaken the society as a whole and harm it's ability to compete on the world stage. Ironically, it's an argument for the personal being the political. On what do you base this assumption/idea?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 08:34 PM
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...I really hate 'questions' like this. Did you truly have any reason to say this?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 08:06 PM
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one that will allow the male and society to flourish, I believe it is a society in which everyone can chase after their own personal preferences, including the minorities. Submissive men may be a minority, but their happiness is still important for society as a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 08:04 PM
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I guess you are sarcastic, but there is a very obvious reason: The main characters were (if I am not mistaken) a male dominant and a female submissive. For men who want to be submissive, such a narrative isn't really that interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 08:03 PM
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or even talk about the right stuff Well...this differs greatly between couples. Hence why many BPers give relatively vague answers. RP oversimplifies and gives concrete answers. BP thinks the situations are far more complicated and give vague answers. Both have their strong and weak points.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 07:33 PM
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You don't think basic psychology works on humans? TRP has not yet really established that their strategies are 'basic psychology'.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 05:50 PM
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No, but things like flirting with a waitress or leaving dating sites open etc. (I've seen these examples mentioned by RP) are also quite bad. I just strongly dislike the idea behind dread game.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 01:58 PM
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but what about stage 2, the generation that grows up with sexbots? Men used to HIDE porn, really hide it, they were ashamed and their wives were devastated when they found out. Think thats how it is now? I'd say 'stage 2' will mean sexbots will become a substitute for porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 01:00 PM
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The guy can express his needs till he is as blue in the face as he is in the balls, till action is taken by one party or another NOTHING will change. Of course, but I think when most BPers say you should talk about the issues, I think most of them automatically assume you take actions based on the results of the talk. I really haven't seen the mindset in BP that just talking is the magical solution. Talking is used to identify the issues, it is not the actual solution.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 09:55 AM
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Trying everything that you discussed or can think of, without doing things that purposely try to make your partner feel insecure or bad. Basically, I'm against dread game. To me, you cannot claim that all else failed if you did not try increasing your sexual appeal and cultivating hobbies outside of your relationship to see if the new spark in you would ignite a new spark in your relationship. I fully agree. I just don't agree that things as dread game fit within that description.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 09:15 AM
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You made that 90% up, didn't you? RP works for some people, but it doesn't work for many people as well. I also don't feel morally superior at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 09:13 AM
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It's quite funny actually. TRP constantly says they use direct and blunt language to address issues, but often fail to incorporate that into their actual strategies.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 12:39 AM
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High quality lifelike sexbots are going to put both prostitutes and most real women out of business in the next 50 years or so anyway, no reason to get exercised over it I strongly doubt that. I understand your argument for the prostitutes (sexbot replaces prostitute for physical relief without emotional attachment), but most (if not all) men will most likely still want the 'real deal'. A relationship with an actual human being. It'll be very hard for robots to ever be a true substitute for such…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/14 11:38 PM
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Yet a divorce ultimatum is most certain to make your SO feel "insecure" about the relationship, so that is also abuse, by your absurd definitions. Except I am not saying that you should create an ultimatum. I'm not saying you should say 'Change X or I will divorce'. I am saying that when all else fails, you should consider divorce. Cool, thankfully, your ideas of "mature relationships" are likely of importance to no one but yourself. I can say the same about RP. Quite a weak argument. BPers are …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/14 11:31 PM
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Because that's a vague question. The answer will be different for many people in many different situations. What works for one couple will not work for the other couple. What works for one situation will not work for the other. TRP oversimplifies things and gives one answer. TBP acknowledges the complexity of the situation and thus has no concrete answer. Both approaches have their pros and cons.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/14 11:29 PM
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In a dead bedroom the relationship devolves into more of a roommate or friendship that a marriage. I disagree. Sex is not the only way in which you can be intimate. The way I feel with my SO is different from the way I feel with my friends, even when we're not having sex. That said, I agree that most healthy relationships also have a healthy sex life. Why should the man or woman feel bad at this point for cheating? Because he's still cheating. If he is unhappy with the situation, he should try t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/14 11:23 PM
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Talking is not a panacea, it doesn't ignite a fire in anyones loins. No, but talking can identify the issues and can make people change their behaviour to reignite that fire. It's not like talking is the only thing you do, you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/14 11:19 PM
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After discussing this dozens of times over maybe a year with various Blue Pillers, the common advice seems to be: Talk Divorce It's actually basically 3 steps: Talk Try to solve the issue with the results of the talk. If all else fails, divorce. flirting with the waitress so your wife knows you have options, is some sort of horrific abusive rapey-rape emotional abuse. Yes, it is abuse if you intend to use it to make your SO insecure about the relationship. I consider that kind of behaviour not o…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/14 11:16 PM
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But also low intelligence: m>v
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/14 09:21 AM
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Not really. The only kinds of commercials and advertisements I dislike are those in which people can loan money to get something. That has the potential to screw people up. Other than that, I can't think of really bad examples. I'll sleep on it and see if I can think of something.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/14 12:31 AM
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Combination of both, depending on the product. Advertisers make good use of psychological theories about the way humans think and perceive things. Of course the most common one is 'sex sells'. But you also have authority (this product is recommended and tested by some shady professor that may or may not exist), peer influence (98% of women recommend this product), direct gratification (buy now and pay the double amount in 6 months!) and many more.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/14 12:15 AM
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There's a special board that reviews advertisements and checks whether they are allowed or not. I've had a female professor for Consumer Psychology who did this for a living.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/14 12:00 AM
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I know. Shaming and ignoring will most likely both be ineffective.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/14 11:27 PM
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There's studies about the differences of male brain from female ones if you want proof that men and women aren't the same. Not saying that at all. Men and women are different. The differences just aren't that big as TRP suggests in most cases. Even in homossexual couples there's always a partner that takes the dominant role while the other takes the submissive one. Not true at all. It's often the case, but there are also many where the roles swap alot.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/14 09:15 PM
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Cats and dogs are different species from entirely different ancestors. That is a very, very bad analogy. but a whole society shouldn't be twisted and transformed because of minorities. This doesn't happen and most likely will not happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/14 08:39 PM
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Discard what doesn't apply to your experience. How do you (or does TRP) support the above statement, while at the same time often vehemently rejecting that BP experiences aren't true or that there must be some RP truth behind it? I discard a lot of TRP because it doesn't fit my experience and yet TRP loves to tell me that I am wrong. Why so?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/14 06:46 PM
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What is your advice then? How would you try to 'fix' a partner that cheats on you/coerces you/exploits you etc.? Wouldn't leaving the relationship (if your partner does not change after voicing concerns) be the best solution?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/14 06:43 PM
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Quote the exact part please.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/14 06:42 PM
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Where did you say that?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/14 06:37 PM
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Define 'shitty behaviour' then. The same would apply though. Some people only find out later that their partners are 'shitty', they voice their concerns and leave the relationship when the problem is not solved. That's perfectly reasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/14 06:36 PM
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Of course, but women can't know when and where they will be catcalled exactly. That's one of the reasons women find catcalling to be so bad. It's not like street X is perfectly safe with no catcalling at all and Street Y has all the catcallers. It is the uncertainty of catcalling that makes it so annoying for many women to deal with. ...And are you seriously telling women to avoid places because the men there can't behave themselves appropiately?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/14 06:26 PM
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You are putting the blame on men to avoid being the victim of abuse, when women should not be abusers in the first place. What? Please quote me where I said anything even remotely similar to that. You are putting words in my mouth here. All I said is that men shouldn't catcall. That was it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/14 06:24 PM
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Why is it best to just leave and not fix it in this instance? Of course you try that. But people in a relationship often simply discover that they are incompatible. Some things can't be 'fixed'.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/14 06:23 PM
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a woman enters the public space voluntarily. It's hardly voluntarily to get outside or to go to certain places such as work/grocery storebarber shop etc. It's a bit of an 'illusion of choice'-dilemma.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/14 06:21 PM
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The context is the same. No, it isn't. Strangers catcalling you are out of your control. You don't know them. You can't really have a 1-on-1 talk with them. You can put on headphones, but that does not solve anything. You still get catcalled, you just don't hear it anymore. When you are in a relationship and the behaviour of your SO is problematic (of course you try to communicate that at first) and it doesn't work out, then you can end the relationship. It's a last resort, but a very viable sol…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/14 06:19 PM
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For instance, BPers often say the recommendation for cat callers is to shame the fuck out of them to make them stop, I have rarely seen this to be honest. Not sure on what you based this. However, when dealing with shitty women in relationships the advice is to ignore and find someone else, not teach them not how to be shitty. The potential difference is that you can't really influence strangers that much. Ignoring them does not make the problem go away. In a relationship, however, you can break…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/14 06:03 PM
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Fair enough. But can't you start the discussion then by discussing your thoughts?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/14 05:52 PM
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I admit I have only seen a short commercial/trailer, but the story doesn't seem to have anything to do with RP/BP, or does it?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/14 05:37 PM
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I can ask you the same. I did not start this derailment, you did with your 'hamster' comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/14 09:51 PM
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In FACT that right there is in the vein of Red Pill Thinking! And you didn't come off rude or belittling in your opinion either. Except I don't view women as teens. That's that issue here. Women are as much of an adult as men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/14 07:15 PM
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Fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/14 06:27 PM
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They actually have a side bar on what they agree with and endorsed users that the mods agree represent them. Oh hell no. PPD has had plenty of arguments from RPers that Endorsed Contributors (and even the mods) are not representative for TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/14 05:57 PM
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I stand corrected. My bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/14 05:50 PM
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It's your choice to be offended. If you think being a teenager is offensive that's your own issue. I don't. Doesn't mean TRP isn't insulting though. They intentionally call women things like that, so don't act all surprised when they get called out on it. What you need to ask yourself is how you compare teens to adults and if it's acceptable to treat them differently. I compare teens and adults in a very simple way: Teens are on their way to become adults, but are not yet as fully developed as a…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/14 05:49 PM
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People's rational faculties are fully developed by late adolescence I don't consider 'late adolescence' (aka early twenties) to be teenagers. Teenagers comes from 'teens' (so ending at 19). EDIT: Seems I was wrong on this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/14 05:46 PM
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Then you should stop posting. You act out of line. ...See how silly that sounds?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/14 05:45 PM
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I'm gay, so none. :) I'm not 'white knighting' either. Not accepting misogynystic viewpoints such as some of the RP is not the same as defending women at all times.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/14 05:43 PM
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...What is your previous comment supposed to add to the conversation then? It added nothing to the debate either. Hypocrite.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/14 05:29 PM
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You question that because I do not blindly accept TRPs view on women? Not a single woman I know has shown any reason to believe that they are the 'teenager in the house'. All of them are just as rational (and irratiomal at times) as men. regardless of the reasons why women are less rational, they're less rational Citation needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/14 05:27 PM
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I'm not hamstering here at all. You are far more of a hamster in your OP than anyone else in this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/14 05:25 PM
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To reiterate, I am not debating the conclusion that Women are teenagers, but as to why this should be an insult and to analyze the rationale behind it. Except that 'conclusion' is the exact reason why it is an insult. It implies women are not as developed as men. In your summation, what is the reason? You seem to be trying to 'trick' BPers into thinking they themselves are in the wrong for feeling that TRP is insulting when they call women teenagers. It's not to belittle or disrespect women, it'…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/14 05:14 PM
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What does this have to do with my point?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/14 04:06 PM
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It's articles like that why I consider myself Blue Pill. I could be Purple (since I acknowledge some people prefer the 'RP' model of a relationship), but I refuse to give credit to the unique misogynystic aspects of the RP. Hence being blue.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/14 03:28 PM
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Okay, I'll answer and you'll answer my question. So Blue Pill, what are your reasons for your dislike, disdain, and general disrespect for teenagers and children? Why are they considered less than people in your eyes and not worthy of your respect? I don't have dislike, disdain or disrespect towards teenagers. They are young people in development and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. I don't think they deserve less respect or are 'less than people'. However, when you say an adult 'act…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/14 03:23 PM
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Less emotionally stable, less developed when it comes to the brains and body, less experienced in life etc. There's quite a difference between them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/14 03:19 PM
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His recent Twitter feed seems more 'professional', but when you look at the stuff he posted around a year ago he is just a full-blown misogynist (if he's serious). I'm not too familiar with the entire situation, but that excerpt about grabbing random women on the streets is quite disgusting. I also fully understand that venues want to distance themselves from such a personality. He created an image for himself and it now bites him in the ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/14 02:46 PM
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Regardless, most would still find my clarification to be offensive I would imagine. Of course, because it simply isn't true. it's a fine example of the misogyny on TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/14 02:20 PM
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You're trying to do this "aha, maybe its YOU who is the real bigot" thing but its really weak. Yeah, it's obvious he knows why TRP calls them that and he makes quite a desperate attempt to shift the blame here.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/14 10:06 AM
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I did. I just think he intentionally misses the point of why TRP calls women teenagers. And where in his explanation does he say why women are called teenagers? I really don't see a justification for it other than 'but teenagers are almost the same as adults, just without the emotional maturity'. If you mean that argument, then calling people teenagers as opposed to adults is indeed calling them inferior. Which, in turn, explains the opposition of BP to that idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/14 10:03 AM
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If teenagers are basically the same as adults according to you, why does TRP make a distinction then for women?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/14 08:11 AM
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Regarding feminism, there's no consistency as to what is and isn't covered/endorsed. . Every time a complaint is made there are always women and their lackeys to chime in on how the example doesn't represent feminism. ...Just like TRP does often here on PPD?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/14 08:05 PM
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no, they tell you that you're the only one who has a stake in improving your position, and that it's on you to do something about it. That's what TRP says...but when you look at TRP is that also what they actually do? I see far more blaming than taking responsibility there.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/14 06:55 PM
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Except everything else doesn't fail? Maybe for RPers, but not so for the huge majority of people. What unique aspect of TRP has improved your life?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/14 06:03 PM
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From my experience the only women that doesn't make my blood boil thus I can respect is women who show a degree of sanity,kindness and compassion. So the huge majority of women? You, on the other hand, seem to be much less deserving of respect. Practice what you preach.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/14 05:32 PM
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Doesn't TRP do the exact same thing with 'feminism' though?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/14 05:26 PM
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I'd say most of the stuff that works is stuff that is common knowledge. I am curious what kind of TRP-exclusibe advice truly improves real life in differing social interactions. I won't argue that 'TRP' can't work, but I will argue that much of the TRP-exclusive aspects aren't that great. The part that works is not unique to it at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/14 05:21 PM
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Yes, there are women who are better than that, but they are they are exceptions, not the rule. How do you know this? My experience tells me the exact opposite. The TRP views about women are almost entirely foreign to me. None of their descriptions seem to fit any woman I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/14 05:19 PM
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To be fair, I have never heard about this actually happening. Even if it did happen in some isolated cases, it is hardly something to worry about. It is more of a TRP horror story than reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/14 05:17 PM
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The Wall Except it is called 'The Wall', which implies women run into them at full speed (high SMV) and crash into it (low SMV). It has been used like that in TRP constantly. There's a reason it is called 'The Wall' in RP and I think you purposely redefine it so it fits your own view. Your view makes much more sense, but is not what the general use is within TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/14 05:12 PM
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But they did it for women. Why do you think this?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/14 09:03 PM
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I fully agree with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/14 06:59 PM
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Ironic you say that, since I've seen many RPers claim that men did most of it. I have never heard a feminist say it's all due to the women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/14 06:56 PM
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Do you think that the fantasies of women about being dominated are true in real life though? I see that sentiment on TRP quite often. If you say yes, why do you consider that one true and this one not true?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 09:01 PM
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I have fantasized about having sex with someone much older than me: 34.2% of women and 48.0% of men This one is surprising and seems to oppose the TRP idea about young women wanting older men and older men wanting young women. That said...fantasies are not always representative of true sexual desires. So maybe it doesn't contradict it due to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 05:07 PM
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Possibly, but the statement itself hit the nail on the head.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 09:18 AM
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If you had a bag of balls inscribed with the names of the highest IQ people on earth and chose 50 balls at random from the bag, do you think the results would skew towards male? Of course, but men would be more common on the lower end as well. If you'd make a big bag for both men and women seperately, the average result would be about the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 01:14 AM
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What's a traditional gender role to you? What is a man's traditional gender role, too? The idea that men have to be providers and women have to be caretakers. The idea that men have to be stoic and strong and women feminine and gentle. Mind you, these roles work fine for many people and that's great. I'm just against the idea that these roles are best for everyone and that everyone should try to fit in them. It is a harmful expectation for both women and men who simply do not fit those roles. I'…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 12:08 AM
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My point is if you don't like the content then just go somewhere else and find new content. Umm..you are the one complaining about the mods here. Maybe take your own advice? Do you live here or something? Does this sub need to entertain you for you to be happy? Do you have subreddit oneitis? Does this shit sustain you? No? No? No? No?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 12:00 AM
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Basically everywhere else. Strictly speaking I may be purple-ish (since I acknowledge TRP works for some men and some women), but I am much more Blue due to my own position and due to the extreme stances TRP still has. I also dislike the emphasis on traditional gender roles and expectations within the RP.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 11:51 PM
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Nope, still pretty much BP. These aren't incompatible beliefs ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 11:37 PM
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Bingo!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 10:28 PM
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So imo it is important to know Except the answer isn't just yes or no. For some men and women it is, and for others it isn't. RP theory does not apply to everyone at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 10:24 PM
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And how is the content irrelevant? The content is irrelevant because it is not the problem you have. It is the way you deal with it that is problematic. You could also have read some feminist whackjob theories or conspiracy theories and the same would apply.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 09:35 PM
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I repeat, I found r/TheRedPill around May 2014, I haf heard of it.sometime.summet last year, I read AskMen in summer/late2012-present and a variety of PUA or dating sites such as GirlsChase, YourTango, LovePanky early 2013, my rship broke down.due to these 6 months before I found TRP, but because of the same principles. ...So one relationship went bad. That happens to basically anyone. It just so happens that this one girl may be closer to the RP narrative, so what? Even the Relationships forum …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 09:16 PM
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My T probably has never heard of TRP before, so this would be akin to a child refusing to eat veggies because 'they taste nasty' without putting them in their mouth once. Not really. It is hilariously easy for a professional to detect pseudo-science such as TRP from a mile away.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 09:04 PM
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I can't close my eyes once they've been opened It's more like you gauged them out with a rusty knife.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 09:02 PM
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One of the reasons I am in this position is because one of my major life incentives.has become significantly compromised by my new knowledge-that is, relationships are at heart unsafe, they are a minefield. ...Which you got from TRP. Which gave you severe anxiety due to reading that stuff. Do you see why your therapist tries to keep you away from the RP stuff? It's not because she is trying to manipulate you, it's most likely because she recognized the harm that stuff does to you and does not wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 08:57 PM
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But what exactly do you want to discuss with her? About the problems themselves (reading something that creates paranoia, RP itself is somewhat irrelevant), or the actual content of TRP (which has little value for your therapist)? Heck, I'd say it is possibly even a bad thing to discuss TRP with your therapist. You need to remove yourself from that mindset for now, not give it extra legitimacy by discussing it with professional help.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 08:48 PM
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TRP is a reaction to the reality. A limited reality though. TRP has no actual idea whether their narrative is truly the (full) reality. There are trends, sure, but TRP creates explanations without any way to find out whether these explanations are true or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 06:40 PM
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I just gave my own opinion on the subject. There are also people who disagree with you, you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 06:16 PM
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I disagree strongly. Unmoderated content is often of far lower quality than moderated content. Just take a look at the Pure-week. That week was awful for actual interesting content.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 06:00 PM
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But if you want LTR or marriage without TRP you are going to get SLAUGHTERED. Yeah...no. TRP likes to believe it, but many people are perfectly fine in LTR/marriage without TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 03:45 PM
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A real RP man never shows his girlfriend physical affection. I....ummm...what? That's the saddest sentence I've seen about RP in quite some time. I'm not sure if you are sarcastic though.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 12:42 AM
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We don't have the Capacity to keep everyone's feels from being hurt. Except it is pretty easy not to cat-call.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/14 11:16 PM
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In the case of the likes of this article, it was an important factor in relapse Sure, but it may not be an important factor in actually helping you. And do you want to discuss the issues that were created due to you reading it, or do you want to discuss the actual content? If it's the latter, then it is only logical for the therapist to not go into that. TRP has little scientific, objective value. Your therapist has very little reason to discuss the actual content (partially) due to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/14 10:31 PM
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Yeah, the same applies to me only on the other side.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/14 08:29 PM
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Non-TRP also gets men laid though (despite what TRP wants to believe). I doubt TRP will be anything more than a relatively niche internet community.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/14 03:32 PM
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but even my T has 'manipulated' me by making me lose my train of thought re: TRP consistently so we didn't have time to discuss it. I know now what she did but I am vulnerable in the anxiety state, something she is all too aware of... Stop thinking she is trying to manipulate you. She most likely wasn't and didn't want to discuss too much of TRP since there isn't really anything she can discuss with you about it (that is worth her time).
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/14 08:24 AM
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I disagree with your first sentence. You can easily get sex when you adjust standards. Someone with loads of sex and low standards is less successful in my eyes than someone with less sex and reasonable standards. And I don't see the point in assuming here. What's the point? I'm being critical here for a reason! Not just to nitpick.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/14 12:10 PM
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What is the point? Even then I'd say that sheer numbers aren't everything (Unless you define sexual succes that way).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/14 11:46 AM
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Except there aren't only personal factors at play here(and twins can be quite different as well in terms of personality, just not in genetics) . The environment in general as well. There is a reason why most experiments are done in a controlled setting such as a laboratory. You ideally want to isolate factors so that you can purely look at game, but realistically that is an almost impossible task.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/14 11:42 AM
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Ideally, sure. But that's not very realistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/14 11:24 AM
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I think a casual sex match would still be plenty interesting. And I agree. It's just very hard to put it in research, since it is so hard to keep confounders out of the result.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/14 09:53 AM
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So amount of sexual partners is enough? I disagree. What if RP and BP look for different things and approach different women? That could be a confounding variable in this study.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/14 08:39 AM
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randomly assign them to a red pill group and a blue pill control group And what's 'Red Pill' and what's Blue Pill exactly? Even on this subreddit there's quite a diversity within both. How would you define them for research? and then document the sexual success of the various males after giving them training/instruction in red pill and blue pill sexual strategy, respectively. How do you determine sexual succes objectively?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/14 10:24 PM
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What you can do is to take (unbiased) studies about behavioralism, evolutionary psychology etc.pp. and see how they align with TRP ideas. The hard part is to make sure you also include research that does not align with TRP. Many people only seek sources that confirm their beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/14 06:07 PM
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I'd say take a bunch of random males and give them Red Pill coaching and see if they're satisfied with their relationships (and maybe the satisfaction of their partners) and compare their progress with random males that get other kinds of therapy and also males with no intervention. That would be extremely hard though, due to the huge amount of covariables in such an 'experiment'.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/14 06:02 PM
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for shaming men who reject the roles they are expected to follow by the very same people who believe women are not obligated to follow theirs. I'm a man that reads BP and rarely sees that. If anything, TBP is much more accepting of deviating from the gender roles and expectations than TRP is. For both men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 09:47 PM
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I think power dynamics can also fluctuate within a couple depending on the situation. The man may have more expertise in situation X, while the woman is better in dealing with situation Y. It would only be logical that the power will shift to the men or woman depending on their strong points. I just don't see the need to have one 'leader' in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/14 03:49 PM
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...That's quite a lot of assumptions you are making there.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/14 03:48 PM
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Learning alpha behavior and game is self-improvement. But somehow that is "negativity and misogyny"? Wut? Are you being deliberately obtuse? There's nothing wrong with self-improvement. Neither is alpha behaviour or game to an extent. That does not mean that TRP doesn't come with a huge load of misogyny along with the standard advice. It's often swept under the rug by saying 'those are new members in the angry phase', but I'd say that is a cop-out. Even some of the moderators and Endorsed Contri…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/14 03:38 PM
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What do you mean by making a turnaround? What would that be? By changing into a 'suitable partner' for TRP, despite the sex she has had in the past? Or is it just the number that is the problem for TRP?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/14 03:36 PM
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That reply is quite different from the reply of LifterofThings though.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/14 02:48 PM
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it's how do you become the fucking winner without TRP. By improving yourself without TRP? Doing all the common self-improvement tips TRP sees as 'unique' to them while not indulging in all the negativity and misogony that TRP does? None of the self-improvement is unique to TRP. People can become winners without TRP quite easily.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/14 02:46 PM
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honestly believe that with the right guidance and discipline even a loser could make a turnaround. Would you also believe promiscuous women can make a turnaround? I'm asking this because TRP seems to suggest women are unable to change when they are older, while at the same time telling men that they can still turn their lives around. It just seem very inconsistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/14 02:43 PM
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The answer to your question of "attainable goals" is a resounding yes. And plenty have done it. But 'the average Joe' won't. That's the point. Some people may be able to do it, but on average the odds are significantly against you. I know TRP loves the 'you control your own destiny'-ideal, but I find that to be very naïve. For an ideology that emphasized realism and seeing 'the truth', they are often not very realistic about their goals.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/14 01:00 PM
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and aims strongly at depedestalizing women in general. My issue with the TRP approach is that they don't simply want to remove women from the pedestal...they want to kick them down even more once women get off them. TRP goes from one extreme (pedestalizing) to another (Focusing on the negatives and assuming they apply to every woman).
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/14 12:58 PM
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We seem to agree quite a lot. Oh mah gawd, I'm a Red Pill Woman!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/14 10:42 PM
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Trp attempts to remedy this obscene dynamic. Except TRP doesn't want to remedy it. They want it to work in their favour. They go from one extreme to another.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/14 10:40 PM
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The opposite to this also applies (and TRP is quite guilty of that at times). Not fitting the traditional gender roles isn't bad either and shouldn't be ridiculed/demonized.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/14 10:39 PM
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A tiny, TINY minority of the male population has any clue that TRP is a thing. The attitude of 'men have to be strong' isn't unique to TRP. I'd say it is still very common in western society, which can indeed have a negative impact on the (mental) health of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/14 10:36 PM
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and have negative things to say about the "beta bucks" But they often do want a woman that stays at home and takes care of the house/children. That kinda implies that RP men will have to provide for these women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/14 10:34 PM
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I'm not aware of the specifics so I may have been wrong. That said, you hear a lot about US students with huge student loans or how studying is insanely expensive. Then again, perhaps I'm wrong. Edit: doesn't your data support the idea that the average person indeed goes to college? Maybe I misinterpreted your first post, but it sounded like you did not believe that to be the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/14 01:13 PM
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This is much dependent on where you are from as well. The Netherlands have a government system for education (student financing) that allows nearly everyone to go to college. The US differs greatly from that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/14 10:45 AM
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Sure, but they still work. My mother even works more than my father, but I realize that isn't the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/14 10:27 PM
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I think the average life is pretty similar in the main course. Here in the Netherlands, most boys and girls go to school followed by some kind of higher education (MBO/HBO/WO). After that, both men and women do work (although men work fulltime more often). That's basically what everyone does in their first 40 years. :) Of course there will be plenty of subtle differences, but the main idea is roughly the same for both men and women nowadays.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/14 07:44 PM
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No, but that is irrelevant for the current discussion. The point that I made has nothing to do with who i personally date.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/14 05:30 PM
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You get to choose what's true for you, what stories you choose to believe, and what you do with the knowledge you acquire. Isn't that just asking for a severe flaw in reasoning: Confirmation Bias?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/14 05:13 PM
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And your reality seems to be significantly different from mine in many occasions. Funny how that works, isn't it? Just saying 'reality' as support for a claim is meaningless.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/14 05:11 PM
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To be fair, another alternative is that you are wrong about your assessment.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/14 08:41 PM
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Male, no, Pretty much entirely Blue Pill. I wouldn't change because I can't help but feel it would also change my personality somehow. I'm a relatively feminine male and I feel just fine about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/14 04:27 PM
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Sure thing! I just wanted to mention it because TRP sometimes (obsessively) refers to lifting only and forgets that not everyone likes to lift or even wants to lift. The advice is solid and certainly applies to working out in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/14 01:57 PM
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Sidenote to this: It isn't unique to lifting. I like to run (and dislike lifting) and it has most of the same effects as you describe. So make sure that you pick the activity that fits you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/14 12:05 PM
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Again, that is TRP narrative. How can women know of every men how many women they slept with? How do they know his 'capital'? Do you really think they'll be swooning when you tell them the number?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/14 08:47 PM
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Men enhance their value by sleeping with many attractive women regardless of commitment, whereas women decrease their value by sleeping with many men and not obtaining commitment. Men and women are different, and are attracted to different things. That's just the TRP narrative though.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/14 06:43 PM
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Fair enough. But then I would simply use personal attack (since ad hominem is mostly used to refer to the logical fallacy).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/14 02:48 PM
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BTW, learn what an ad hominem is. ...What he said wasn't ad hominem. An 'ad hominem' would be: 'You are wrong because you're a BPer'.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/14 12:46 PM
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...You really need to calm down.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/14 10:41 AM
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He can do that because he knows that the rules are illusions. Until he tries to apply for jobs and gets refused due to his choices in 'freedom'. You often have the illusion of choice and freedom, but there are definitely limitations in daily life.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/14 10:25 AM
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From an evolutionary perspective-Sure. I agree. It's just not really relevant for the discussion in our current world.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/14 10:15 AM
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...I think you may need another break from PPD. Why would I spend time on watching these videos with the high chance of just being insulted by you afterwards? You give people very little reason to actually debate with you if I look at your responses in this thread. One of the primary reasons I like Red Pill and dislike Blue Pill is because I think that Blue Pill -- by which I mean the mainstream, conventional wisdom pushed by corporate media, institutional education, and the government -- is hig…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/14 05:06 AM
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Meanwhile my ex gf once stated 2 contradictorry statements without noticing. Apparently both were true in her mind. Because men never do that...everyone does that at times.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/14 05:05 PM
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If you don't agree, please spell out what you think the average personality profile of a red piller is? Hard to say. They seem to be quite a diverse bunch (as shown on this subreddit as well). I'm not a fan of trying to attribute TRP purely to mental disorders. It's a weak way of trying to discredit their views by saying 'they're mentally ill!' Perhaps mentally healthy people can also like TRP, you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/14 05:02 PM
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Because they're talking about it in the context of the 80/20 hypothesis, which it seems to give some weight to. ...Not really, since women still message (and I assume date) lower rated men. You can't just take small bites out of the results and apply them to hypotheses that aren't even relevant to the study. That's not how good argumentation works. We can debate whether or not that's a proper answer. But I think what you're saying is that TRP should both (a) pay attention to the response rate, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 09:20 PM
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...Except not in the way that most of TRP seems to use it. I rarely see them mention that women do message these lower rated men when they discuss the study. TRP pays way more attention to the ratings themselves and much less about the actual implications.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 09:09 PM
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I do think BPers are prone to downplay the implications, yes. ...And I think RP blows the implications out of proportion. The study itself says that women rate men lower, but also approaches the men they rate lower.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 09:01 PM
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OkCupid did it. That same study also showed that women messaged these 'unattractive' men quite a bit. Men, on the other hand, mostly messaged the top-rated women. ...So that study doesn't really say much (except that men and women use the rating system differently). It is often misinterpreted or misrepresented around Reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 08:32 PM
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I'm not sure about that to be honest. I know several people with gay parents and they turned out just fine. Some of them even better than those with straight parents. ...I think the traditional idea of 'people need a mother and father' as in 'male/female' is outdated. Children need certain qualities, which can also be provided by the parents of the different sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/14 04:36 PM
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(and to ask those awkward puberty questions later in life, To be fair, I never asked any of those awkward questions to my dad. As far as my knowledge goes, neither did my brothers. With the internet being so common, less and less children talk with their parents about these 'embarassing' issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/14 04:33 PM
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Yup, my view exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/14 04:31 PM
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The only side effect I can see that the kid(s) might face is getting bullied by kids at school who were raised by STRAIGHT PARENTS who perpetuate homophobia to their children. How about that? Exactly. Most kids will just say 'okay' when you tell them someone has two daddies or mommies who love each other. It are the parents/environment that teach them it is 'strange' or 'wrong'.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/14 04:30 PM
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I don't think LGBT couples have any right to raise children Why not? but I'll admit that being raised by a gay couple is probably better than life in foster care or an orphanage. That's...kind of a pessimistic view.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/14 04:28 PM
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Made up statistics don't real. TRP tries to define the market value, but often has no objective support for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/14 04:25 PM
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...Which you made up. You have no idea to whom it applies exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/14 12:35 AM
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And a quarter of young women have slept with more than 10 partners in the five years since losing their virginity - compared with a fifth of young men. This is barely a significant difference. We need to know more about the remaining 75%-80% to make an accurate claim. Young women are also twice as likely to be unfaithful, with 50 per cent admitting they have cheated on a partner - half at least twice. Yes, this survey says so. If it is true, it is a reason to debate things. I'm still skeptical a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 10:35 PM
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You can't just insert your TRP narrative into a situation and expect everyone to just take your word for it. Divorce can also happen due to: -'dealbreaker differences' (such as wanting children or not) -personal issues (addiction/depression/etc.) -Abuse within relationship -...and plenty more. Sure, sexual incompatibility is also a potential point, but it's not like all women suddenly crave alphas again. That's just wishful thinking on TRPs part.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 10:29 PM
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That has little to do with cxj's statement though. And healthy skepticism is warranted due to the source being a survey for a women's magazine.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 10:22 PM
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Second, if you think frame has anything to do with lying, then you don't understand what frame is. Frame is making a conscious effort to hide your feelings in order to remain seen as 'strong and masculine'. In a certain way, it is lying about who you really are.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 09:05 PM
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It's a lot more questionable if the man wants his wife to work and she chooses not to because she feels entitled to be supported financially. ...I really never hear this in reality. That said, most couples I know both work anyway. I'm sure women like this exist, but I doubt they are a significant amount.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 08:07 PM
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...And I know I ask this question alot: How do you know this?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 06:25 PM
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People on ppd were tested on EQ/SQ. Was there a poll about this? I may have missed it and would appreciate a link if there is one.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 05:42 PM
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And is it just the intention to hurt that matters, or is the substantial certainty that it will hurt sufficient? It's certainly abuse if you intend to hurt the other person. Knowing that it will hurt others is much more ambiguous and depends a lot more on actual context. I also edited my previous post due to that obvious error. It applies to both sexes of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 03:53 PM
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Nope. I'm not going to find your argumentation. I'll just remain unconvinced until there is some actual support for your claims.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 03:43 PM
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Downvoting is a problem for both BPers and RPers though. I even got downvoted just now (at least twice) for saying that there are valid reasons for divorce. I mean...really? Both camps have a small subset of people who are too quick to downvote others. Same counts for mocking others. Some active RP posters are mocking are insulting people every day as well. Then again, it is still a valid criticism about BP.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 03:37 PM
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Yup, this is my stance as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 03:27 PM
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Feminists control the public perception of abuse, the statistics, the definitions, the laws, the arrest guidelines, campus policy, intervention programs ... So everything can be blamed at feminists, just because you believe they control everything? Sounds like a petty conspiracy theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 03:26 PM
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How are the examples of a university an example of feminist guidelines exactly? ...And just so you know, withholding affection can indeed be abuse in certain contexts. If the man (or woman) does it trying to hurt their partner, is is textbook abuse. EDIT: an edit to include both sexes in my statement, as is obiously needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 03:19 PM
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No, go find me an example. 'Historical accounts' is far too vague to constitute an actual argument/source.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 03:18 PM
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That is the natural order. It is the only method to ensure loyalty in the woman. Any other relationship is courting disaster. I'd love a source for that. Just because you believe it is the best dynamic, does not mean that it is the 'natural order' or that other dynamics do not work. Heck, most women I know would resent you for trying to 'train' them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 03:15 PM
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...Are you actually willing to debate or do you want to continue your circlejerk? And yes, being (significantly) unhappy in a marriage is a very valid reason for divorce. Especially when the couple tried to fix things, but it didn't work out. For men and women both.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 03:12 PM
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Do you have an actual source for this? I have never heard a feminist say this.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 03:11 PM
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So you simply want a dom/sub relationship (although the description comes closer to master/slave)?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 03:05 PM
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You can be so bitter, you know that right? There are plenty of valid reasons why divorces happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 03:02 PM
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Could you elaborate? How would you 'train' your partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 02:26 PM
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Wives are entitled to half of their husband's net worth. No, half if their partnerships net worth. If the wife would work more than the man, the man would be entitled to it in a potential break-up as well. This is one of the things I do not get about TRP. They want women to stay at home and take care of the house/children, but also absolutely love to complain about women getting alimony when a relationship fails. You can't have your cake and eat it too!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 02:20 PM
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All can be resolved if you just put her into place. I'm almost terrified to ask...what do you mean by this?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 02:16 PM
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She didn't say anything wrong, just what (from the RP half of my current mind) came across as hiding the 'truth' (the pill) from me on the premise that women categorise men into Alphas and Betas either at first sight or over the course of conversations with them. If I were you, I'd trust the professional over a theory made up by random men on the internet. I am in therapy so I will certainly be a Beta to her (reeks of neediness etc.), whether or not I sleep with her which is obviously off the ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 11:55 AM
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WE ARE NOT FUCKING PLAYING GAMES HERE. OUR WHOLE LIFE AND HAPPINESS IS ON THE LINE BECAUSE OF A STUPID BITCH. Do you understand why we would go with whatever means necessary? On average, women are worse of than men after a divorce. If it doesn't affect you,you don't care. I'm not saying that. I'm saying TRP most likely blows issues way out of proportion.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 11:42 AM
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sigh I give up. If you want to take everything TRP says as gospel, then so be it. I am just concerned about your state of mind as it is. Your obsession with TRP and pushing everything into a TRP narrative is not healthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 11:07 AM
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Nonsense. I know plenty of divorced people with shared custody. Again...maybe the Netherlands are different.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 10:54 AM
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why would I even have a significant weaker side, Because you are human. And having an abundance mentality has nothing to do with having weaknesses or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 10:53 AM
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What 'cult tactics'?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 10:03 AM
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I know what frame is. I just don't know what HHL is trying to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 08:12 AM
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Again, hypnosis by a professional or hypnosis with mp3 files is quite a difference. I was talking about the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 08:11 AM
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Psychology has changed a lot in the past decades, you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 12:32 AM
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Why is it common sense? I see absolutely no problem with an SO spending time with a friend. If you don't allow her to be alone with a male friend, doesn't that show a severe lack of trust in the relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 12:23 AM
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Anyways If you are in a relationship I feel that its just simpler for men to hang with the men and the women with the women. ...But what if you had a man as friend as a woman before your relationship? Or a man with a woman as a friend? I mean....I know almost no one who doesn't have at least one of both sexes as friends. Since odds are people will have those when they get in a relationship...what is the TRP idea to do there?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 11:03 PM
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No, my actual study tells me that. You seriously have no idea what you are talking about here.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 09:57 PM
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Nope, but it is when people try to sell MP3 files as 'hypnosis' for severe issues such as (clinical) depression.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 09:35 PM
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The ones with the hypnosis MP3s. That is the perfect example of pseudo-science trying to make money over the misery of others. It's laughable, sad and infuriating at the same time.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 09:22 PM
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And possibly even your children. Try to explain to them that daddy tried to make their mother jealous by having an affair with another woman in an attempt to make mommy so insecure that she will stay with him. ...if my mother or father did something like that, I doubt I would want to see them after that. Absolutely disgusting behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 09:20 PM
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You don't need them, but many people simply have them and enjoy them. Why would you shut these people out of your life because your partner is so insecure he can't handle the thought of you spending time with another man? Yes, you can, you can end inappropriate friendships just like that. What's inappropiate about them? If they are overly touchy or she prefers spending time with him instead of you I may understand where you are coming from? But simply having a male friend is 'inappropiate' now?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 09:13 PM
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He linked to 'MP3 hypnosis treatments' as an actual solution (for only 12,95 dollar!) I...have no words for the sheer ignorance he just showed here.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 09:09 PM
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Are you depressed? Feel bad about yourself? Buy this. If you really want to fix your brain, get your hands on some MMDA ("ecstasy") and put that mp3 on repeat and just let your brain absorb it for a few hours. Throw this and this into the mix and you'll have a powerful reprogramming session. ...You just hit a new low. I can't believe this. That website is just horribly wrong on so many levels and fools like you believe in it?! That website doesn't even understand what depression is, let alone ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 09:06 PM
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Because sometimes you become friends with someone without planning to? Or have friends before you get married/in a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 08:09 PM
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That's quite the strawman.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 07:24 PM
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I'm not saying people should look specifically for male friends, but sometimes a man is just as good of a friend as a woman. You can't really force friendships one way or another.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 07:11 PM
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Well...That is also because you are in a RPW relationship where you see your SO as a captain. it is not surprising to hear that you feel more comfortable in letting your SO deal with the one-on-one contact. I could not be with someone who did not allow me to have one-one-one contact with friends. To each their own I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 06:47 PM
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...What is that even supposed to mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 06:40 PM
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Not in the same was as a relationship is.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 06:35 PM
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There is no reason for married people to have intimate relationships with the opposite sex, nothing good can come of it and lots of bad can Except for having friends you can do fun things with? The pros greatly outweigh the cons imo if I look at it realistically.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 06:32 PM
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I can learn from observation and research. There is a reason I study psychology and find it so interesting. ...So yes, I think I can also debate about it. Not from a personal standpoint, but definitely from a theoretical standpoint.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 06:25 PM
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Who says 'intimate relationship'? I was talking about friendship.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 06:06 PM
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You should really, really stop reading TRP. Trying to push everything through a limited TRP view isn't healthy for you. A relationship between therapist/client is nothing like anything TRP describes.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 06:00 PM
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...Which they made up. it's just a theory of TRP. I'd strongly advise you to listen to professionals above TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 05:53 PM
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It keeps the truth away from me, as the truth is kept away from BP. Remember that TRP may not have 'the truth' either. Their worldview on men and women is just a theory, just like Non-RPers have their own theories.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 05:47 PM
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but I can't recall anyone advocating breaking up from a marriage (without first trying the thermonuclear option or something like that) when there are children involved. They should. If someone considers the 'thermonuclear option', the relationship is basically already unsalvageable.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 05:43 PM
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Another basis of RP, men and women aren't friends, we're lovers or fuck-buddies. One of the most contentious points imo and like I say, what ruined the friendship with my first love-not so much the reship that ended because of 'cultural differences' hmm ...Which, again, is purely a theory of TRP. There are plenty of men and women who can be friends without sexual motives. Is it common for some people to like each other? Sure! But that doesn't mean people want to act on it or try to come between …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 05:34 PM
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buuut one of the principles of RP is that if you show this around a woman, even your wife, your SMV will go to shit-in worse cases they will know how to manipulate you It's a theory. TRP believes this to be true, but whether that is truly the case is highly debatable. I believe that a relationship in which one or both partners can not share their true feelings is not a healthy one. So for example my therapist, well she will know that she can prey on my anxiety disorder to come across all materna…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 05:29 PM
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"everyone has vulnerabilities" bullcrap That's true though. Everyone does have weaknesses, insecurities and vulnerabilities. Even the 'alphas' from TRP have them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 05:25 PM
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...I don't know women like them? Every adult I know has male and female friends. I see no reason why you should exclude an entire sex for friendship.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 05:23 PM
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...Isn't that kind of insecure from your husband? I truly do not see why so many men do not want their partners to have male friends on TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 05:18 PM
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Note: Admitting insecurities doesn't kill attraction, that is a myth perpetrated by those that are too weak to admit that they get insecure. This is something that can't be emphasized enough. No one can 'maintain frame' throughout the entire relationship. It'll break you one day or another if you try to hide your insecurities/feelings at all times. Someone who is confident in him/herself and in the relationship, should not be afraid to show their weaker sides at times as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 05:16 PM
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You can also man up and do something as a Non-RPer. Manning up and communicating in a relationship are not mutually exclusive in a healthy relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 05:01 PM
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Then maybe...just maybe...you shouldn't be reading TRP (for now).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 04:57 PM
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such as? Such as the ones you are in therapy for.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 04:53 PM
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That principle has landed me in depression and paranoia however as well as disabling the reship-very difficult to become more alpha when your parents and health professionals are monitoring things such as your diet and 'self-esteem'. Maybe you shouldn't try to be 'alpha'. It doesn't work for everyone (nor will all women leave you for not being one). I say this especially since you seem to have other issues that are more important to solve at this time.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 04:47 PM
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I basically agree with everything you said in this post.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 04:03 PM
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it means when we see people talking about their relationship dynamic problems, we think our analysis of those problems and advice to fix them are best, So you do consider your approach to be best. My 'perfect for everyone' was hyperbolic (like AWALT), but the general gist of my point still stands. -not that everyone should wake up tomorrow and adopt an "RPW lifestyle" (its not a lifestyle at all but thats another issue) so as to be better married couples in general without regard to whats ACTUAL…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 03:59 PM
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How many times does RP have to state that we tailor ourselves to what we think is the vast hump of the bell curve of human male and female nature and not to various outliers or people who start to significantly deviate from the norm? TRP doesn't use 'all women' or 'everyone' to mean everyone, so why did you take my 'everyone' literally? And you do believe that the RP(W) dynamic is best: We DO think we have the best advice for marriage and LTRs and that our way works, duh, everyone with a belief …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 03:50 PM
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Oh...and maybe you want to look at this quote from you concerning RPW: We DO think we have the best advice for marriage and LTRs and that our way works, duh, everyone with a belief system thinks that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 03:47 PM
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I'm not really leaping that much though. You are quite adamant about RP and RPW beliefs. It's hardly a surprise to expect that you are a very big supporter of the RPW lifestyle. And I have no idea what you mean with the 'secret occult psychological meaning'.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 03:44 PM
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So because she's a woman, her extreme redpillery shouldn't be taken seriously? She doesn't know what she's on about because ovaries? He didn't say that? He said that because HHL is quite extreme in her RP(W) beliefs, so she most likely sees little wrong with it. That she is a woman has nothing to do with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 03:40 PM
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It's pretty clear by the way you talk about RP and RPW. If you do not consider that statement to be true, I apologize for saying it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 03:38 PM
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the title "to women: whats wrong with redpill women" is not framed in any sort of neutral "debate form. It is the mere solicitation of opinions, not debate and it volates the rule about thread titles, and it solicits opinion from all "women" not just BP women How is debating about what women consider wrong with RPW not a debate? And yes, even RPWers could consider some things of RPW to be wrong. TRPers also mention some things of TRP that they don't like all the time. Please present anything ive…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 03:33 PM
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Because you agree with the RPW lifestyle and think that it is a perfect dynamic for most people/everyone. Of course you don't see anything to debate here.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 03:26 PM
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... Sucking cocks doesn't make you gay though, unless you are attracted to the person. Otherwise plenty of people who experimented are suddenly gay. (oh, and you can be gay without liking penises as well)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/14 10:32 PM
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Complaining how women who do one night stands are not fit for relationships due to commitment issues, while TRP men try to get as much sex as they can (which should logically result in the same commitment issues). They still think they are fit for a relationship though. ... And no, I do not buy the 'it's different for men' - rationalization that TRP likes to use.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/14 10:26 PM
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...not interested in wifing up women that think having premarital uncommitted sexual relationships are totally fine. You can call what you brought up ridiculously paranoid, but you're in denial. If you think having any ONS's doesn't make you a degenerate unfit for marriage, you're already not long term relationship material because commitment doesn't mean anything to you. I love the double standard. The concern you bring up about women fully applies to men as well. Commitment doesn't mean anythi…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/14 08:39 PM
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Okay, I truly did not know that! Thanks for showing me. I never heard about it, so strange...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/14 09:11 AM
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No women/gender studies, if that is your concern. I believe we don't even have those. Subjects ranging from biology and medicine to law and business.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 03:56 PM
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I'm not. I'm gay myself and am also on contact with many other Gay people in different communities. The huge buff guys are rarely seen as the most attractive (at least for 30- Gay people in my experience). Fit and lean were far more common. ... You'll just accuse me of lying again though. If there is anything you show on this sub, it is a severe kind of fear to accept experiences outside of your belief system to be real. It's as if you feel threatened by it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 03:23 PM
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What? Gay males generally aren't into huge buff guys either. It's mostly 'regular' masculine guys (jocks) or twinks that are in high demand. Only a small amount of Gay people try to overcompensate by becoming huge.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 03:14 PM
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Bullshit. Of course there are women like that, but what about the huge numbers of women in university? At least here in the Netherlands, more women than men are in higher education to get a good diploma and/or career.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 03:11 PM
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Nah, the incel community is an entirely different beast with its own seperate problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 01:53 PM
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I didn't say my opinion was fact. "US values are fucked up" is obviously an opinion and I never said otherwise. ...Except for the part where you claimed everyone else was blind to it, impying you do think your view is more than just your personal view. Our as in American values. Then you said "our" as if you were American. I'm sorry, I understand where you are coming from now. My apologies for my poor choice of words.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 01:51 PM
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Women are expected to be "strong" and "independent", ride the cock carousel for a while, build up a career, get married around 30 then have kids and get back to work as soon as possible. By who? Who says this? And how does the US culture shame women for not fitting into that narrative? The US is very large and diverse so there are major class, regional, cultural and ethnic differences to this formula, but for the average urban/suburban middle class white girl this is absolutely accurate. How do …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 01:46 PM
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Sometimes it takes an outsider to remind us just how fucked up our values are. This is what you said. I replied with this: ...Or our values are simply different? You could replace 'our' with the values of other US citizens if you are having touble. How is the location in any way relevant? It doesn't matter what I believe, my argument says that your view on the 'fucked up' values is just that-your view. It isn't a fact just because some foreign person agreed with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 01:44 PM
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Okay then...how exactly does the US shame women for being housewives? I made a comment explicitly stating a claim about US culture.. No, you gave an opinion about values in general (the location was irrelevant for the statement). I simply said that your opinion may not be shared by everyone. You feel the US has fucked up values, I say that isn't the case in everyone's eyes. My own nationality is pretty much irrelevant for that. Only when you started debating the specifics did I have to bring up …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 01:32 PM
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Yea a beta is a better partner. But women don't realize that until they start getting older. They can't have the top picks anymore and settle for betas. If a beta is a better partner, why wouldn't they be the 'top pick'?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 01:27 PM
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How am I dishonest for not saying in each and every post that I am from the Netherlands? TRP believes that all western women are like they describe and the Netherlands are part of the western world for sure. Maybe you should consider that not everyone here may be from the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 01:25 PM
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You're shifting goalposts here. I live in the Netherlands where many women work part-time, but that does not mean that society discouraged or shames women from being housewives. I do know housewives and no one bats an eye about it. It's nothing special.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 12:51 PM
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No? I just don't see the culture that shames women to be housewives in real life. At all. Only on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 12:39 PM
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Sometimes it takes an outsider to remind us just how fucked up our values are. Living in this society we become blind to it. ...Or our values are simply different? I strongly dislike the traditional roles that tries to force everyone into specific boxes. That said, I realize some people feel more comfortable with those traditional roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 12:22 PM
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Then why do you exist if there is no significant problem? Can opposing viewpoints only exist because there is a problem? It's not like I oppose RP-like relationships or anything. I don't want to force people into a relationship they do not feel comfortable in.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 12:17 PM
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RoK being a prime example. Those articles are being painful to read nowadays.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 12:14 PM
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That doesn't really say anything about my point at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 12:11 PM
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THEN WHY DO WE EXIST?! Because you perceive it to be a significant problem, even though it is most likely only done by a minority of women. Most 'issues' I hear TRP talking about are completely foreign to me here in the Netherlands. Maybe the US is different, but TRP generalizes to more than just the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 12:09 PM
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I'm not discrediting or refuting anything yet. I just want the actual source. It could very well be very true, but I've seen so many mistakes in newspapers about research that I don't trust them on face value. Even more so when it is about a meta-analysis that involved many studies (including surveys). It isn't 'nitpicking', it's critical thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 12:04 PM
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I'm skeptical of articles that do not give a direct link to the study involved. So many news articles falsely interpret research that I actually don't trust them without the actual study anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 11:02 AM
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Yeah, some women do that. Where TRP misses the mark is that they assume most or all women are like that. Both men and women can misbehave greatly in relationships. Why would you generalize the extreme cases onto the majority? But it does not explain why they ride 20+ cocks Most women don't. nor do they explain the divorce rape after 5-10 years of marriage. Most women don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 10:57 AM
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No? We simply don't know the distribution. None of us do.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 06:35 AM
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How do you possibly quantify that? How do you keep your own biases at bay while trying to determine this?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 11:52 PM
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But that's more because those countries are still more (religiously) traditional in many cases. Religion has had a huge influence on relationships. It's no surprise that decline in religious people results in a change of relationship dynamics. TRP, at its very core about the role of men and women, is very traditional as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 11:51 PM
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That sounds awfully close-minded, if I may be so blunt. EDIT: Removed a sentence that went a bit off-topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 11:37 PM
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We live in a RP world whether we like it or not. ...How do you know? I see much more non-RP around me than RP. There are so many things that are seen as the 'core' of TRP that sound extremely foreign to me. And I doubt The Netherlands are significantly different from the rest of the Western world. Some people might prefer BP as ideal, but it's still not how it actually is. Sure there are outliers, but there are not many. Why do you assume Non-RP to be the outliers? Wouldn't TRP be far more popul…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 11:34 PM
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there is a power struggl ein all human relationships. If the man is in control, not the woman, he isnt a beta. If no ones in control, then thats a fairy tale. There is always a party to a transaction who has more options and is aware of it. that person has the upper hand and the control ...That's your narrative again. You believe equal relationships can't exist, many people believe otherwise. Your view does not discredit the experience of others. TRP works for you, but it doesn't for others. It …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 11:31 PM
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How do you mean 'stupid enough'? I'm not claiming that relationships with alphas are a mistake. There are women who like such relationships and thrive in them. I am saying that my explanation is a possibility. I also think that you are looking at general tendencies in the past without realizing that both men and women made huge 'mistakes' back then as well. The past wasn't all rainbows and sunshine when it came to relationships. Women married early due to huge societal pressure (often due to rel…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 11:26 PM
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Again, that is your narrative. Saying it doesn't magically make it truth. There are plenty of relationships that discredit this argument, but you'll most likely just tell me how they are outliers or something. You seem to assume there is always a power struggle in a relationship. That isn't the case at all. Women can enjoy a beta man without 'being in control'.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 11:22 PM
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women are crazy Not even going to discuss this. 99% of women don't/won't/can't approach men 78% of statistics are made up. Also mostly due to social conditioning. All a man has to do is approach and make a convincing sales pitch. Sure, for initial attraction that may work. Sales pitches can become less effective when people are constantly exposed to false ones though. You have this fucked up idea that women are looking at shit rationally. The hell they are. ...And you have the fucked up idea tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 11:19 PM
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Or they could get it right the first time, the betas don't like the fact that they have to wait around for years for a slut to figure it out and arrive used at his feet. And plenty of them figure it out. There are plenty of women who never hook up with alphas and have relationships with betas early in life. AFBB doesn't apply to everyone to begin with. Heck, it arguably doesn't even apply to the majority of people. My post is simply an alternative to the AFBB idea. It is not the only possibility…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 11:11 PM
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Then your definition of beta is unlike our definition of beta. TRP often says that LTR also needs certain 'beta qualities'. It are the people who emphasize these qualities (and not the alpha ones such as the captain/first mate dynamic) who I call 'beta'. Then why is it when I talk to people about red pill concepts none of them disagree with me? Even women. I present red pill views without using the terminology all the time and it blows peoples minds more often than not. Because the people who yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 11:07 PM
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It sounds like they take accountability to me. They change their ways to be with betas since they have learned that alphas will not be a viable partner. It's not like those relationships with alphas always have to be a bad thing. Women could look back fondly of them and still realize that they have moved past that stage. That they want more than just the 'rollercoaster' of early relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 10:49 PM
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Sure! There are multiple explanations. I just got tired of seeing only the TRP variant of AFBB in that other thread, despite possible other reasons. Maybe they are just naive and get taken advantage of like in your alternative. I wouldn't say they get taken advantage of per se. The 'alphas' may simply believe that their behaviour works for relationships (and it does for some people!). It just requires that much more compatibility between partners for it to work, since the dynamic is so very spec…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 10:45 PM
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Because it's impossible to prove? My stance is that both RP and BP can be correct-for different people.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 10:40 PM
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I'm not sure what to reply to. You adamantly refuse to consider the possibility that many adult women simply like the beta qualities more and that that is the reason for their change from 'alphas' to 'betas'. Also, 'beta' does not equal being a spineless pushover like you imply them to be. You're just repeating the TRP narrative and want me to say 'of course!'. You need to realize that the TRP narrative is not an universal proven truth. It may apply to you and many others, but you need to realiz…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 10:38 PM
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No problem, we're an odd bunch.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 10:34 PM
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Okay, thank you. I rarely see this acknowledged in TRP, so it is good to see a straight answer. How would you say this influences your perception on TRP and their focus on promiscuity early in life?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 10:32 PM
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Netherlands is actually pretty traditional in its values for women and work and famly. And arguably non-feminist. We had a thread on this some while back. They don't fit the TRP narrative that well though. They may not work full-time, but they are not the submissive women that TRP thinks they are. Many Dutch couples share the burdens of the household. It is very common to hear about fathers cooking dinner or women working. The article mentions men work more part-time as well to participate more …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 10:28 PM
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1) This assumes that all the nice gentlemen(edit: I'm not using this in a circlejerky way) weren't ever asking women out. That they were passively failing. Which is not true. Nearly anyone who complains about AFBB complains about being rejected. Not all. Just more often. You know I don't have to say 'some' or 'many' when I don't mean 'all', right? You've told me that repeatedly yourself. And it may still fit. Young, naïve women may be more interested in volatile rollercoaster relationships becau…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 10:22 PM
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If you want to have lots of sex, then sure you need a more direct and outgoing personality (it's a numbers game as well). However, I think that not many people can change from an alpha to a beta later in life. Like TRP constantly repeats- 'you can't turn a ho into a housewife'. /u/We_Are_Legion also has mentioned in multiple threads that personality rarely changes later in life. I think the same applies to men. Men who are 'alpha' to get more casual sex in their twenties will often fail to adjus…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 10:11 PM
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I think that is partially a rationalization. It may be the TRP variant of the 'hamster'. TRP behaviour makes lasting relationships harder for themselves and are often unsuccesful, so they rationalize it away by saying that they truly only want short-term flings and casual sex. It protects the ego and makes each failure into a 'succes story' since they had sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 10:08 PM
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Same difference as far as TRP is concerned. The difference is that TRP may actually set themselves up for failure, unless they only want short-term flings. The TRP veriant of AFBB assumes women stop seeing alphas later in life due to the women themselves. My possible explanation assumes women stop seeing alpha men due to a combination of the woman (naivity) and men (poor behaviour). Also, 'alfas' are easier to find when young and going out is common (college). Betas may be less interested in tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 09:54 PM
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As an exaggerated story with a female twist with the intent to troll PPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 09:35 PM
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Why are all the women who come to /r/purplepilldebate very good looking? Why are all the men on TRP thinking that they are 'alphas'? Many people like to see themselves in a positive light, despite whether it is true or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 09:31 PM
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Of course there are going to be exceptions every now and thenn. Except the 'exceptions' seem to be the norm to me. TRP has never truly established that their narrative applies to the majority of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 09:24 PM
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Nope.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 09:12 PM
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No? Heck, the TRP narrative isn't really present in any women I know (The Netherlands). None of my female friends have lots of casual sex and are looking for an actual relationship (age 20-25). I acknowledge that are women that fit that narrative, but there are also many that don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 09:10 PM
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...I hope you are not saying that you would want an alpha for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 08:02 PM
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I love how people here assume she will get divorced because their narrative doesn't agree with it. Newsflash RPers: Your narrative doesn't apply to everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 07:48 PM
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No? There's a huge grey area between promiscuous men and virgins.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 06:20 PM
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If it isn't fake, then they aren't 'nice guys'. If they are always nice and have unrealistic expectations, they are simply misguided.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 05:47 PM
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I'm telling you the unusual niceness is what they have been led to believe is what women want from them in order to find them attractive back. By who? I've never heard anyone give this as advice in real life. Do people truly think that 'be nice' means 'fake being nice in an attempt to get affection/sex in return'?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 05:43 PM
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You attach the idea that Nice Guys have ulterior motives when it's obvious from the start that they want the women they are nice to to both like and fall in love with them back. But are they nice to the women, just like they are nice to anyone else? Or are they nice to women (while not normally being so nice to others) with the intention to get something from them. That's the entire distinction between a 'nice guy' and an actual nice guy. As for your second quote, I have no idea what you're tryi…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 05:30 PM
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You would rather be a dickhead and condemn these men than do anything to help them How am I a dickhead and condemning them? All I am saying is that what they do (being nice with ulterior motives) isn't the same as being nice because you are a nice person.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 05:08 PM
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However, if you acknowledge Nice Guys are men who are inexperienced with women, and so they are nice to them in an attempt to gain approval, then it's dishonest of you to pathologize them in a negative light. What? How is it dishonest? Inexperience doesn't make bad behaviour into good behaviour, you know. At most you could say that they were misguided.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 04:39 PM
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I don't buy things I don't need. ...and you're 18 or so. That has a massive influence on your income as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 04:21 PM
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Who am I demonizing? In what way do I demonize them? I didn't even say anything about ignorance to begin with! You are the dishonest one here by telling me I did things I haven't even done.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 04:14 PM
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I am. There's a big difference in pretending you are nice with the intention of getting something from someone or being nice just because you are nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 03:20 PM
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But how can you say you dont want to discuss the negative aspects of promiscuity when this entire post is about promiscuity I'd like to discuss the negatives, but there's no point to it if TRP isn't able to acknowledge them to begin with. Heck, most negatives that TRP ascribes to women do apply to men as well when it comes to promiscuity.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 03:18 PM
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You would do well to not think in binaries and stop assuming everyone else does too I'm not. I keep the extent of negative aspects of promiscuity out of the discussion on purpose since it is besides the point for now. TRP refuses to even acknowledge that their own promiscuity can be a potential issue for relationships. They seem to think getting lots of sex as men is a purely positive thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 02:54 PM
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...Or because the results would most likely be the same, which may show that TRPs strategy is also a risk factor in relationships. I have no reason to believe that promiscuity in women influences a realtionship differently than promiscuity in men. It is the mindset and attitude in both genders that are a risk factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 02:47 PM
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Also men would definitely like nice girls. 'Nice girls' or just nice girls? You're talking about 'nice guys' and not simply nice guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 02:45 PM
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I understand their argument, I just do not believe it to be true. TRP thinks that men having lots of sex shows that they are succesful and that none of the pitfalls of promiscuity matter for them, while promiscuous women do have these downsides. For an example, from this very thread: fucking thirty people before thirty is a sign of lack of commitment/other problem and to kost guys sex isn't just sex. How does this not apply to men as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 02:34 PM
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Just because TRP believes something does not mean it is actually the truth. They overuse that analogy while pretending the same may not apply when it comes to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 02:18 PM
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How so? Not being a promiscuous men is being a 'nice guy' now? Stop thinking in binaries.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 01:34 PM
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...Apparently it matters quite a bit for some people here.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 01:32 PM
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...But then that analogy also has to apply to men, wouldn't you say? Why would women want 'used goods'?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 01:07 PM
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I'm a psychology student, so I am fully aware of the possibilities. All I am saying is that TRP is lacking in objective sources for most of their claims.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/14 09:25 PM
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Basically everything about 'the true intentions and thoughts of women'. TRP makes huges assumptions and leaps in logic on that aspect.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/14 09:03 PM
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Sure, they created a narrative to justify their views...but that narrative is based on subjective ideas. Their arguments can't be checked properly.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/14 08:50 PM
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That's because truly and sincerely, you guys rarely catch something legitimate in the theory. Well...the theory often lacks support, so it is hard to 'catch' something in a theory that has no real arguments behind it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/14 07:32 PM
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Who has ever argued that children and parents should be egalitarian here? That's a big difference from the idea of partners being egalitarian.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/14 03:37 PM
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One side is doing most of the compromising in terms of changing behaviour. The other isn't changing behaviour at all. The main change from Nemo (or Eril, in my short narrative) even if we acknowledge what you've said (note that there is no serious evidence of it in the script; yes I literally checked the ending) is that Nemo superficially acknowledges that the father may have had a point. Meanwhile, we're still given evidence that he thinks his father is too clingy, even after all that has happe…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/14 11:51 AM
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However, many gay men do not like the promiscuity in the 'gay scene'. You could say that these promiscuous gay men are similar to how TRP views women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/14 11:41 AM
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I think it is somewhat based on the flawed stereotype of 'one gay is the man and the other is the woman in the relationship'.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/14 11:36 AM
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Hard to say without more information. I'd say neither Red or Blue can give you good advice until they know more about the situation/the background of the person.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/14 11:33 AM
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Yeah, I oppose dread game no matter what you call it, but the term itself just makes it worse. But 'divorce rape' (aka 'alimony issues') is something that could be a valid subject of discussion, although the term does not really invite for a fair debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 10:23 PM
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Let me rephrase then: There are plenty of BPers that have an average income and have attractive partners. There are alot of people (both women and men) who simply do not fit in the TRP narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 08:15 PM
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raising another mans children because it is the only way you could even dream of getting with a woman above a 5 Basically 80-90% of western men. Yeah...no. Despite what TRP believes, they far from have the monopoly on attractive women. There are plenty of 'BPers' in happy relationships with attractive partners. This narrative you create to justify TRP is just sad to be honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 08:11 PM
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Blue. Mainly movie soundtracks (also videogame soundtracks). Sometimes classical/opera.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 08:06 PM
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I think when most people read trp they see mostly just the negative connotations and get caught on words like "dread" that evoke images of the Dark Lord of Mordor. To be fair, I think TRP is at fault here. They purposely decided to use language that is seen as negative/offensive by the mainstream (dread game, divorce rape etc.). It is hardly surprising that more people will be far more hesitant to acknowledge anything from TRP to be true.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 07:25 PM
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Thanks. That makes a lot more sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 04:25 PM
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But that's the point- TRP convinces itself and their members that women are sluts, but it isn't an objective truth at all. They focus on a certain kind of woman and think it applies to all women, even when the women they focus on aren't actually representative of the average woman. The things TRP describes about the 'average' woman? I rarely (if ever) see those in real life. Most women are nothing like TRP describes.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 09:21 AM
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The concerns aren't exclusive to men of TRP. They'll also apply to BP men who are promiscuous. It are basically the same concerns as for women. I do not buy the 'it is hard for men to have sex, so being promiscuous is a good thing' - argument that is used as a defense for these concerns. I may be able to elaborate after I have slept, typing this on my cellphone now.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 11:00 PM
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You're grasping at straws here. I think you know that that isn't what she is saying quite well.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 08:53 PM
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I don't know why this was downvoted, since it is pretty much true. There is little place for the huge grey area between 'RP' and 'BP' people when using the TRP definitions. Of course you'll find a hundred examples of the extreme on the internet, just like some of TRP is an extreme on the other side of the coin.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 08:51 PM
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Okay, thanks for the friendly reminder. I'll try to watch my tone in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 08:46 PM
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By female mainstream I mean mainstream female culture, many examples from womens magazines, womens talk shows, memes that women circulate to women's bestsellers like the rules (which modern pua was a response to). These two links show women covering much of what red pill does. http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Man-Fall-in-Love-with-You[1] https://www.google.ie/#q=how+to+make+a+guy+jealous[2] Fair enough. But I still do not see the extreme opinions women have about men that TRP has about women. Women…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 07:14 PM
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No. A cheating problem isn't just about the sex. Those problems can rarely be solved by changing the way you have sex with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 06:58 PM
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Could you respond to my entire post? Your last sentence needs some support as well, since your argument is based on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 06:37 PM
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That's your assumption. TRP is in many cases far more extreme than the 'female mainstream'. I oppose TRP because their idea is that they know the 'unfortunate truth' and everyone else is mistaken. My view is that their 'truth' does work for some (or plenty of) women and men, but that it is far from an universal truth. ...Although I am wondering what your idea is of the 'female mainstream'. It's a pretty vague term and I'm not so sure what you count under that term. Could you give concrete exampl…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 05:54 PM
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The bp sub was sent up by someone who promotes chivalry for women ...Does that mean that whatever Redpillschool says on TRP as Moderator applies to the entirety of TRP as well then? Because We've had some very heated debates here from the TRP side that we can't take the opinions of a few to generalize onto the majority of TRP. The same goes for TBP. Sure, the BP side has some 'white knight'-y people in it. But the majority of people simply doesn't put women on a pedestal
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 05:00 PM
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I literally made a post recognizing and pointing out a likely a source of rationalization in an obviously ironic way. If you scroll down, I came out and outright said that was my intent. It is a sentiment that is shown on TRP though. When women have sex with (multiple) men they devalue themselves, but when they have sex with you as an alpha they do what TRP wants. So yes...TRP as a whole does fit the statement in your post quite a bit. 'Women shouldn't have sex with men...just with me!' If you'r…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 04:49 PM
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Who is saying that? That's the TRP idea about 'Blue Pill' behaviour, not what 'Blue Pill' stands for as a discussion point on this subreddit. You can be a BPer (Basically it means: Non-RP here) without excessive chivalry and prioritizing of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 04:31 PM
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we are the only players we would exempt from this rule. Doesn't that make you the biggest 'hamsters' of them all?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 04:23 PM
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And since TRP thinks that is a valid concern, I think TRP should also accept the idea that their sexual strategy is a valid cause of concern for women. TRP rationalizes it away with the 'men and women are different' argument, but that does not automatically make it true.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 04:22 PM
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You made your point. Should have ignored you to begin with. Just another troll on ppd...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 03:09 PM
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No. You can't expect me to look up your arguments. And even then...are you trying to say that 'Buzzfeed' is a good argument to support the idea of 'anti white zeitgeist'? A clickbait site that gets its visitors with flashy titles and articles filled with nonsense? If so...wow...just wow...that's a new low.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 12:21 PM
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In 100 years Europe could be just the northeastern outpost of the muslim world. Much of the US could be Mexico del Norte. I'm sure I don't need to explain to you how these would be less pleasant places to live. That sounds like a severe slippery slope fallacy. Or just severely hyperbolic. As for the anti white zeitgeist, do you really think white people havent been taught to hate themselves and their ancestors for the past 50 years? Do you think its still 1950? Nope. I'm white and have never see…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 10:19 AM
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Non-whites lack attractiveness and diversity. That is because people find it harder to notice the diversity in other races than their own. I'm not sure what the official term for this is.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 09:35 AM
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So the world having issues means we're in a decline now? I definitely disagree. To what state of the world do you compare our current world when you say there is a decline? After all...you're saying that the current world is worse than our world in some past state. Heck, some of the 'issues' you mention seem to not even exist or seem to be very hyperbolic. 'Anti white zeitgeist', seriously?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 09:27 AM
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Maybe you should tell that to TRPers with all their plates.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 08:19 AM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 06:40 AM
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but I don't believe for a second that any young woman has ever fantasized about tying a man up and shoving a dildo up his ass without a man putting the thought in her head. Then you have a very limited imagination. Heck, there are entire genres of porn dedicated to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/14 10:05 PM
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And yes there are three preliminary studies that so a strong correlation between childhood sex abuse by women and men that are incarcerated for sex crimes as adults against women. Could you give a link to them?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/14 09:10 PM
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Feminists haven't even been able to figure out that male rapists are a small number of damaged men that were abused by women as children. That's...quite the claim you are making. One that is most likely unwarranted and (partially) false as well. Do you have any support for it?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/14 08:59 PM
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Sounds like the opposite of being yourself. Not really. You can be yourself, but still adapt to situations. Being yourself doesn't mean you act exactly the same in every situation, you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/14 06:33 PM
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Having a rough outline of how to start helps you be less retarded. If a generalization RP makes is, confidence. And then it outlines different ways to appear confident, and asks you to pick the ones that suit you, that does not mean it limits your versatility. It means you are prepared for most scenarios. When the generalizaiton breaks down, for example, maybe with a very very shy girl, then you can adapt. The problem is that TRP doesn't start with a 'rough outline'. It starts with an elaborate …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/14 10:48 AM
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I think you know very well what he means. TRP has a tendency only to accept specific responses, even when there are situations in which such answers may not be the best ones or may not even be possible. It's fine that you don't like the BP answer, but don't pretend it is useless just because it doesn't fit your definition of a good answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/14 10:40 AM
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Um... this is what women do... men don't feel the need to put their women through these Nonsense. TRP loves to shit test women. They just don't call it 'shit tests'.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/14 10:38 AM
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I genuinely believe that the decline of civilization we are witnessing today ...What decline exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/14 09:27 PM
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I lack your imagination. Turn this 1 liner into something more for me. It means you should be able to adapt when dating, since you never know what combination of preferences your potential partner will have. TRP makes generalizations but ignores the women who do not fit in their model. I'd say BPers are more versatile in the dating game than most RPers.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/14 09:00 PM
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hey are applying wilful ignorance and crippling themselves. How so? Keeping an open mind and accepting that everyone has different combinations of preferences is far less ignorant than making generalizations and ignoring the minorities. If you meet her and she seems to fit the generalizations, that's fine. If you meet her and she does not fit the generalizations, at least you won't be caught off-guard since you kept an open mind. I just don't see dating and relationships as a competition or a st…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/14 08:55 PM
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red pill is an anti-social ocd depressive romantic protocol, that kind of works with a certain broken percentage of the population That's...quite hyperbolic. It also sounds like you just randomly flung some words into your sentence to make it sound even worse. TRP has the potential to create (large) issues in relationships, but it also has the potential to work for some people. It would never work for me, but I acknowledge that there are people who will be happier in a 'TRP relationship'.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/14 08:52 PM
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...You do know you aren't on TRP, right? Keep the circlejerky comments there please.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/14 03:18 PM
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Some? Sure! I just don't see it enough for it to justify a model that generalizes women to be that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/14 03:41 PM
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Yes, because you've never seen it, it doesn't exist. I am not saying that. It does exist, but TRP most likely blows it way out of proportion. In daily life, you rarely see any of this 'perfect angel' attitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/14 02:58 PM
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The idea of a woman marrying a man simply because the man is wealthy is unheard of in the Netherlands? I'd bet we just perceive some things differently, confirmation bias and all. No, just the idea that it is the usual state of affairs is what bothers me about TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/14 02:31 PM
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Not everything has a simple answer. One of the reasons I can't accept TRP as being right is that they forget so much about the grey areas (which is often the majority), but want to see everything into black and white. I'd say that most of us men do not know the intent of women, only women themselves do. But TRP has cleverly shut out the opinion of women by saying that they are manipulative/unaware of what they do. Not to mention the awful 'you don't ask a fish how to get caught' analogy. Some wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/14 01:09 PM
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but any time ribbing goes above like, kindergarten level with a woman, there's disapproving glances all around and the mood kinda deflates. That differs greatly between people though. I also know groups where the women get ribbed on massively by men, but they simply react to it with some more ribbing back. It depends alot on the kind of people you are what and what kind of friendship they have.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/14 01:05 PM
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I can't really think of something to be honest. If I like behaviour or dislike behaviour, it rarely (if at all) matters which sex did it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/14 01:03 PM
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I'm not saying that at all. The issue I have with TRP is that they assume a lot about the intent of women to explain something, even though they barely have any support for that. Heck, women could have sex when young with 'alfas' and get in LTRs with betas and it would still not prove 'alfa fux, beta bucks', since there are other explanations than that of TRP to explain it. I am not denying that the phenomenon exists, I am skeptical of the assumptions TRP makes about the intent of women. (And al…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/14 12:53 PM
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Women aren't all angels. Redpill is just making us all aware of that. This is what I don't get. I'm pretty 'blue pill' but have never seen the attitude than women are all angels in my daily life. It almost seems like a strawman to me. Sure, you have the 'internet white knights', but in society as a whole I rarely see women treated like perfect angels.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/14 11:18 AM
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All I know is you guys seem deluded/insane. Why? Because we don't share your worldview?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/14 11:00 AM
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but also those women who do it unintentionally: they rationalize their own bad experiences as part of a long journey to themselves and settle for a "nice guy" they ultimately aren't really attracted to. But how do you know this? This is a huge assumption TRP makes to support the 'alfa fucks, beta bucks' idea, but I have seen very little actual objective support for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/14 10:58 AM
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But then again...this is only a hypothetical explanation. How do we know if this is what truly happens?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/14 10:10 AM
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The cliché CC rider from TRP doesn't change herself, she changes her priorities because she has to, but tries to sell it as a change ("back then I was young and stupid and was after bad boys, now I am mature and have wisened up and go after nice and stable men"). Isn't that just a big assumption TRP makes about the intent of women? You have no idea whether that is the thought process behind it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/14 10:07 AM
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, ever heard of the "starter wife"? To be completely honest...no?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 06:55 PM
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