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So, I'd read your post and attempted to be constructive as BluePill leaning people attempting to give dating/sexual strategy makes me wanna vomit in a my mouth. It's actually decent. But only decent. Other than condescension and disrespect towards a group of people who traditionally view you as the enemy when you're attempting to have them listen to you, which is socially retarded, you've committed several "blue'isms" 1) Maximize your attractiveness. There are many guides on how to do this. Get …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/15 09:14 AM
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Alright, well, I'd say this analogy is wrong in a couple ways. TRP men aren't complaining they don't get free money; they're complaining the bar the employer sets for success is obnoxiously high because their employer was born with a silver spoon in her mouth. No one "had moved to a country who's government have them lots of free money". Your analogy falls apart here, but in keeping with yours and not mine, these guys are not the recipients of the free money anyways, as the free money is giving …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/15 10:05 PM
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No. The only thing I'm proposing is that if the purpose of TRP is to help men attract more women for casual sexual encounters, discouraging women for being open to casual sexual encounters is ridiculous. Shaming people for any particular behavior does not cease that behavior. Lots of female imperatives are hypocritical. No one said sexual strategy was perfectly reasonable. Wtf does "fairness" have to do with anything? Talk about false premises. The only way you can call this issue hypocritical i…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/15 09:50 PM
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I... What...? You made the points. that RedPills make this dichotomy up that it's hypocritical (read: unfair) that the idea that sexual partner count is relevant is barbaric ("dark ages") I replied as to why all three of these points are irrelevent or logically fallacious. My reply was hardly "irrelevant premises". I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion when my reply was practically a bullet point take breakdown rebuttal.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/15 09:35 PM
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Might as well past my reply to /u/Yonderlander here as well because it's applicable. You're proposing a false premise. In order to accept your position, someone would first have to accept that nature is fair. We'd then have to agree it's OK for people to have all the sex they want. We'd then have to agree having all the sex you want doesn't say anything meaningful about the person. That's a lot of premises you're asking someone to buy into purely to be fair to women when they were never entitles…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/15 08:18 PM
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You're proposing a false premise. In order to accept your position, someone would first have to accept that nature is fair. We'd then have to accept agree it's OK for people to have all the sex they want. We'd then have to agree having all the sex you want doesn't say anything meaningful about the person. That's a lot of premises you're asking someone to buy into purely to be fair to women when they were never entitles to fairness by anyone. Unfortunately, the woman with 50 partners and the woma…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/15 08:06 PM
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I want the government to give me free money. Lots of it; a never ending supply. A government that would give people lots of money; a never ending supply, is a retarded government that will collapse quickly and didn't deserve to govern in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/15 07:59 PM
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No. If anything women seem to me to be super short sighted. I've seen lots of guys clearly going places and clearly alpha potential go pretty much undetected.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/15 07:40 PM
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Um...I guess that depends how you define capital. What I'm saying is an entitlement is something inherently granted. You get promoted at work? You're entitled to more pay for more responsibility. A human right is only an entitlement insofar as people decided it was. If the government decided tomorrow clean drinking water was lame and only white people deserve it, then it no longer is a HUMAN right. No one is owed anything because the only thing that can truly dictate what you're owed is nature a…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/15 10:16 PM
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You are fundamentally not understanding the difference between a right, given via altruism and an entitlement, which ia the state if being owed something in respect to a position or state or being. Drinking water and standards of living are human rights. Rights are abstract, dont exist and can be taken away if enough people decided they were bad ideas. Entiitlement is being owed something. No one is entitled to shelter or clean drinking water purely for being alive ad far as nature, the universe…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/15 09:38 AM
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Do you think a sabertooth tiger cares that you feel entitled to life, food, water, safety and shelter? Why would pussy not be equivolent to shelter. You don't require either of those two things to survive.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/15 09:23 AM
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If your argument is going to be that what people are entitled do is dictated by collections of people, you've basically validated every pillar TRP has in regards to the inferiority of women. Human rights, as with law, are codes and maxim's created by man so as to improve to condition of living of most humans to a morally acceptable level. That is not the same thing as people being inherently owed stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/15 09:15 AM
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No they aren't. No one is entitled to anything ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/15 07:37 AM
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I actually don't understand how you formulated this response... A sexual strategy can be formed from loathing and bitterness, off the bat. And secondly, what makes you think women are entitled to not be the targets of loathing and bitterness?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/15 06:57 AM
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I disagree. People sympathize with the man that got left, but the woman is considered as someone who simply made a pragmatic decision; her husband was obviously a loser and she branch-swang. Women are held to practically no standards at all, hence you're on a forum debating a culture that wouldn't need to exist if they were.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/15 05:21 AM
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I will admit, I have a newfound respect for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/15 04:51 AM
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TRP is a sexual strategy. If you honestly believe TRP to be misogynistic and hateful, responding with sexual negativity would cease them to exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/15 08:41 AM
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Men cheat more This is no longer generally accepted as true.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/15 08:37 AM
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http://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/2ufusx/the_class_room_with_afc_bp_edition_correct_usage/
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/15 03:04 AM
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We are going to have to agree to disagree. Maybe it is cognitive dissonance, but I think if men were held to a higher standard it would be more 'shocking' if a man cheated. In reality, it doesn't seem like that. This fits well with my own view that a promiscuous man is not frowned on, while a promiscuous woman is. Male promiscuity indicates value. See JFK for example. Hmm...I dunno. I get what you're saying, promiscuous men are seen as high value, but at the same time, promuscuous men are scene …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/15 11:19 PM
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I think it's a cognitive dissonance. On one hand, men are pigs who will cheat. On the other hand, men are held to a higher standard and scolded more often for mischievous behavior, where as women benefit from the "women are wonderful" effect. I've seen some articles about studies investigating that the old scientific standard of men cheating more may be wrong because women are better at both lying about their cheating, and truly being able to convince themselves and be convinced by others their …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/15 10:28 PM
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I think society treats women that get cheated on with more compassion/sympathy because men are held to a higher standard, and because it's socially ingrained in many people that women don't cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/15 10:20 PM
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You sound suspiciously like a woman I used to debate often...I'm now checking your history to see if this is a throwaway... Men do not chose to marry women more attractive than they are. Men typically "sexually relate" down and women 'sexually relate" up. Men cannot easily replace both a woman and an emotional connection so only the hottest of men can engage in male hypergamy, and it's not really hypergamy because they aren't breaking a connection to trade up...they usually don't offer commitmen…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/15 10:12 PM
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I didn't read every single page, you could be right. I might give it another look over some time but my first one didn't leave me feeling like I could read this book and improve with women tomorrow.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/15 10:00 PM
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Hope to god he doesn't drop that quill.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/15 09:57 PM
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Well, I mean, yea if you're coming from the angle of TRP, natural pua game is mostly bullshit. It was invented as a means to both sell game to incels but also appeal to BP women and mainstream media.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/15 09:56 PM
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No. He'd be the quintessential BluePill
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/15 02:41 AM
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This is a great comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/15 09:36 PM
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Whilst my cause was off, my guess as to your conclusion was spot on and my reasoning for this conclusion was spot on... a lot of RPW stuff just sounds like vaguely nice people who want male dominated relationships. http://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/2tke8d/rpw_test_did_i_get_this_right_for_an_accurate_if/co09fm2 Awwwww yis. That being said, I do have to respect the effort you put into this, and the exposing of some philosophical holes RPW has. I can't attest to the honest you put …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/15 08:04 PM
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Google him to get his blog. His posts aren't long and you can get a good idea of the type of game he runs.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/15 07:28 PM
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I mean he is the one PUA who gives in to the RedPill mantra "attraction is basically nothing but value/looks. Get value or you're fucked", so I can see that angle...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/15 07:14 PM
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So first and foremost, you have to consider the source of the advice: Mark Manson is a very physically attractive man, who has a very interesting life and dates a YouTube model. He could be beta as fuck and he'd still get laid regularly. Second, you have to consider the actual advice. I have read Manson's book, followed his blog, and tuned into some of his seminars and I honestly don't understand why people find him THE natural game PUA. Most of his advice is watered down, and half-hearted. Appl…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/15 06:08 PM
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i have to agree with this. I've send quite a few reports about some serious rule breaks and they don't get dealt with until hours (or sometimes a day) later.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/15 05:30 PM
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As a life-long artistic, creative type, I often prefer the company of women, who tend to appreciate those sensibilities more often than men (though men who do make the best friends I have). I was a creative type too. That was really something that held me back I think. Now, that isn't to say that there is no sexual component to the friendship (I've had a few truly platonic female friends, but there is usually some kind of spark with most of my women friends - that's what makes the friendships ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/15 05:20 PM
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You being friends with your roommate doesn't make me wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/15 05:07 PM
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Fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/15 06:04 AM
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Because unless you single handedly defy gender norms and typical behavior and socialization, I don't think you're the one woman ever who would attack a woman's femininity for expressing opinions you find bitter, ignorant and hateful, assuming you'd find similar opinions voiced by a woman as bitter, ignorant and hateful, which I also equally doubt. You're right, I don't know you. You seem interesting, maybe we'll get to know each other better from participating here. My opinions are never caste i…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/15 04:58 AM
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[Joke about how for some reason, hot girls seem to think they are part (insert every ethnicity possible)]
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/15 03:47 AM
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The other poster clarified that by "companionship" they meant a friend or family member. If that's the case, of course I rescind my statement, but over an LTR? I stand by that men would rather have fuck loads of ONS's and FWB's than an LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/15 03:28 AM
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This argument might have made sense had I 'verbally accosted him' for showing emotion because he was a man. As I said, I would've said the same thing to or similar to a woman. That's easy to say, but I honestly don't think you would have. And certainly not in the manner you did. Not at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/15 03:26 AM
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The UVA rape was a hoax, last time I checked. The reporting on it was god-awful though, even if it wasn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/15 03:25 AM
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You should respect me. I make pretty good grilled cheese.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/15 03:23 AM
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That wouldn't be surprising though as men with few partners don't know what they're missing, where as women are built for LTRs.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/15 03:21 AM
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Why did you remove your flair brah?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/15 03:20 AM
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There are two different angles to approach this from. 1) the approach of an incel who wouldn't tell the difference anyway, and is just happy he gets to get it in, and 2) a guy who has lots of sex and has no need for "duty" sex, and wouldn't be with a woman who's giving him duty sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/15 03:14 AM
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That was not my college...I guess Ontario colleges suck.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/15 03:11 AM
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Everyone is 1/2 Indian according to every attractive woman ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/15 03:11 AM
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http://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/2wlzqc/why_are_women_so_involved_in_the_redpill_lifestyle/cos6477
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/15 03:09 AM
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/u/BakerOfPie laying down the law.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/15 03:08 AM
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PUA attempted to make the same dichotomy and I never really bought it. Getting women and the ability to get women is an intrinsic part of masculinity. A man who's incel is by definition, immasculine and a man who's a player is by definition, highly masculine (possible lacking in some aspects, but nevertheless...). The fusion of these concepts gets even stronger if you approach it from the angle of "an attractive guy is a guy who has value, and a guy who has value, is masculine, and is dominant i…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/15 03:06 AM
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Oh, well then yes, I'd agree most people would probably rather have a friend/family member than a ONS.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/15 02:46 AM
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Same deal with white and black people, we naturally segregate ourselves in social situations. But it would be ridiculous to say "whites and blacks can't be friends". That's a false dichtomy though. "Blacks and whites" are just races. Black men and white men can certainly be friends because black men aren't trying to fuck white men (ignoring gay people). Then why did you say "I don't believe men and women can be just friends."? Is this another one of those "you're not supposed to interpret what I…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/15 01:52 AM
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Calling a relationship in which there is no commitment but sex occurs a "friendship" is disingenuous given the context of this topic. You are sexual partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/15 01:39 AM
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Men hang out with other men because they still require friends, but male friends are easier to associate with and connect with than women. Haven't you ever sat in a room and watched strangers mingle? The men and women always gender huddle, and don't usually speak to each other unless they're made too. As someone who works in a field where we're regularly required to go to functions in which classes of strangers meet, I see this regularly. Not to mention every school dance ever lol. Men just have…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 10:12 PM
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Basically, thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 10:04 PM
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I said nothing about maturity. It's just a fact that you're at your horniest when you're a teenager. I've never met an adult in his mid 20s or older who valued sex more than any companionship. That's interesting. I'm 26, and I've never met a man of any age that didn't value ONS's at least as much as LTR's who weren't hot athletes getting regular ONS's or the like. I agree with you about your perspective on sex changing after you have it though. Glad we agree on something. Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 10:03 PM
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Had a woman come here and made similar comments she would've been paid similar comments in kind. It wasn't an attack on his masculinity, but rather one on his poor coping skills (or maybe to just compartmentalize..like the rest of us miserable SOBs do..). Not only were his posts brimming with bitterness but they were also inconsequential. If you can't bring yourself to stop harkening back to past hurts at every turn you have a lot of self-improvement to do and need not reply. His "animosity" had…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 09:57 PM
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I am almost always on mobile when I talk to you. I didn't notice the M, nor would I have really associated "men" with "penis". If I understand your question, you're asking me if that's the case, why would women wanna be around men they have no interest in? You can correct me if I'm wrong but I'll answer that question assuming I'm correct. Women befriend men they are not attracted to for several reasons. First, because it's free validation and having a beta orbiter is hyper worth it. I used to ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 09:45 PM
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I find it really interesting why/how bluer leaning people equate as desire to have sex with a lack of maturity. I actually don't get how you've connected those two concepts in your head. The desire for only one partner comes from either a failure to get any partners whilst you were younger and accepting 1 is the best you can do, or having tons of sex when you're young and having deciding it doesnt validate you anymore. Incels wouldn't take 1 partner over many partners if they had the power of ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 09:34 PM
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I'd call that a friends with benefits, which is entirely different than a friend with whom you do not have sex. One relationship involves sexual attraction and a desire to validate at least one Parr of each other's sex life. This is entirely different than a friend that has no desire to touch your genitals and feels nothing viscerally for you. A FWB is not a friendship, its an extremely low effort sexual relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 09:29 PM
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Not if you're a heterosexual male.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 09:19 PM
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Because its been my experience and it's a pretty well regarded social trope that lots of guys would agree with, and it also logically makes sense. Men gravitate to the women they want to fuck. Women who they have no sexual interest aren't really worth their time (note: its HARD to be an unattractive woman) so the case is generally that men engraciate themselves primarily for the hopes of sexual activity and get friendzoned. I can think of only 2 women I had a genuine relationship of some kind wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 09:17 PM
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I'm surprised how many people are saying there's nothing semi sexual about hugs. Women generally don't let men they don't like or are not validating them touch them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 08:34 PM
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I don't get why people think TRP is a strategy or way of life that people just decided sounded cool. It's essentially derived by men who suck at getting girls and wouldn't have been the ones in so called "healthy relationships".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 08:29 PM
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Because men are desperate for sex and women own the boardwalk.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 05:39 PM
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If you were fucking her, you were not friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 05:36 PM
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Lol, they were not winning; circle of imasculinity
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 05:35 PM
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Is not like I'm actively not talking to women, it's just easily observable that 99% of a man's female friends are just failed courtships. There was a study featured on the Colbert report that supported this.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 05:27 PM
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At the first sign of animosity, you made disparaging comments in regards to his masculinity and worthiness. This is why men don't have the luxury of not "gaming" every situation; because women will attack men for their masculinity, or for doing things they view as immasculine. You probably just felt like you wanted to hurt his feelings and attacking his worthiness as a man was the easiest way to do that; same difference. I mean, if you can't take "whinging", you're gonna have a hard time in subs…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 08:46 AM
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This post is the exact counter-argument to the issue you take with TRP in your original post.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 08:19 AM
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male/female relationships aren't fun unless you're winning at them. If you're an unsuccessful dude you need TRP or something similar anyways, so it's kind of a non-starter, and most human interaction is a petty competition. You have already judged a man who's 4ft tall as sexual undesirable because he's short, and he may have already judged you on a myriad of things, maybe your partner count or that you're 30lbs overweight. Everyone wants to best outcomes for themselves always. Most men and women…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 07:08 AM
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you're competing against less men. The more qualified men there are the more compounded their advantage is.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 06:25 AM
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No, you've gone into the single, one field women are at a legitimate disadvantage at. However, your disadvantage would be even worse if men didn't suck as school.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 05:52 AM
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Well, not necessarily no. It means men's advantage is cancels out your advantage. Women are privileged in that the education system is blatantly tailored to their success and leaves men behind. Men are advantaged that we benefit from a stereotype that may or may not have a basis in reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 02:44 AM
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Cool story. Tell it again.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 02:37 AM
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a better deal does not mean women have no literal downsides, simply that given any proposition, women win. And they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 02:34 AM
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Wait a second, there's sexism on both sides? Both men and women have privileges? That's my entire point. If you agree with that then I don't even know what we're talking abou No, it's not. I don't disagree sexism exists, my argument is even given any sexism, women's privileges still radically outweigh their setbacks by such a degree, they are insignificant. Even in areas where women "lose", they also "win" hard, which I demonstrated with the rape stats.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 02:27 AM
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I suppose that's true, but a subculture of men aren't extremely pissed off at teenagers and disabled people.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 02:10 AM
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Resumes with female names get offered less money than the same resumes with male names. Sexism is everywhere on both sides. We could go back and forth with male vs female privileges, but ultimately I'd swamp you. Even then more men successfully commit suicide, more women attempt it. That's an interesting one. I don't think it makes the point you think it makes, which is that if she attempted to kill herself and didn't, either she just wanted attention, she wasn't AS depressed as the men, or peop…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 02:09 AM
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Wait..are there really less men competing for STEM jobs than there are women? I don't have facts to back it up, but that doesn't sound right. No, you are not understanding. If only 19 men and 20 women graduate from a STEM program, any given woman now has to compete with 19 men, when if the education system wasn't skewed to favour women, she would have competed with 25 men instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 01:56 AM
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Because women do better in school as school is tailored for female success, thus, even if men are sexist against women in STEM, there are less men competing in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 01:29 AM
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Considering I just pretty convincingly dismantled the two you offered, at least two more.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 01:22 AM
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Literally every other crime in the criminal code disproportionately affects men, so who cares? If all I statistically had to worry about was the minimal chance I'm going to be raped, that's pretty awesome. There were 1 214 462 violent crimes in the USA in 2012, and only 76 233 forcible rapes. I haven't taken a highschool math class in a while, but that's women suffering rapes at a rate of 6.27% in comparison to men suffering violent crimes. That's a pretty wicked deal for women...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 01:06 AM
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Please restate your argument. I've lost whatever point you were trying to make.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 12:53 AM
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Interesting take. I wouldn't have thought of that. Studies do show STEM men don't believe women to be equally as capable as men though, but given the education system is unfairly tailored to women, it could very well even out.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 12:51 AM
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I would argue that both of these arguments are utter nonesense. Women getting raped at a rate of 91% is meaningless unless you're going to also argue rape is the only serious crime in the world. Men commit 91.5% of the murders in the USA and are on the wrong end of those murders at a rate of 76.8%. We also face disproportionate prison sentences for the same crimes. 77% of single parents being mothers is also not a reasonable counter argument as...1) she chose not to abort, 2) she picked her SO b…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 12:47 AM
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I actually don't know. I think if you're alive in 2015 and live in a 1st world country, you'd have to be a dumbfuck to not change bodies with a woman, even an unattractive woman if some magical technology existed. There's nothing in modern life women don't get a better deal at, except getting a job in STEM fields.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 10:45 PM
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I think the show is basically an excuse for Lena Dunham to push her agenda in regards to her world views on body image. I have personally sat through an entire episode but from what I'm to understand, it's basically a bunch of shitheads being shitheads, interspersed with softcore pornography and Lena Dunham naked a bunch for no actual reason other than she wants people to see her named because she thinks seeing people with classically undesirable bodies will make people attracted to classically …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 10:26 PM
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Was wondering where you went...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 08:26 PM
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What..? You think we should treat each other worse than we already do, yet you want t safe spaces for women?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 07:38 PM
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/u/cxj S seems like someone to me who is more purple then red. I think an RP that doesn't hold tightly to TRP pillars direct end up being a very good RedPill by community standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 05:33 PM
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Agreed
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 08:06 AM
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I would say there's no way to fall outside of it unless you make a totally random pill. I mean, there are posters here who view the qualities that TRP dons on women as a positive thing and embelish being the dumb, entitled, carousel rider (as opposed to RPW who view it was something to improve; become the unicorn) but at the same time, support BluePill ideals like feminism. I think there should probably be a pill for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 05:11 AM
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This all boils down to you disbelieving that rape causes such severe psychological repercussions. At that point, I'm really not sure what to tell you. Substance abuse, debilitating flashbacks, self-harm and suicide, these are common features of a rape victim. But yeah, I'm sure they're just being "pussies" and should probably just "walk it off". Frankly, going by what you believe, so should Acid Wash up there. Everyone can make the best of what they've got and look forward to the future, right? …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 04:34 AM
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I think in the context of people who are already pills, a non-pill is just someone who either doesn't want to take a side out of cowardice, or a desire to not admit to themselves they are on a side they actually don't like, or they are not educated enough to make a decision. Or they just don't want to associate with pill culture, but AS a pill cultured individual, everyone is a "pill". You can't not be a pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 04:15 AM
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So that's not at all what the article you linked said. It actually doesn't matter. What the article states is even worse... Ontario is eyeing a “comply or explain” approach: Companies must either publicly disclose a diversity policy, including goals, and provide a public annual assessment of progress, or explain why they have set no goals. Ie. companies are required to submit plans to encourage the hire of more women annually, if they don't submit, or don't have any plans, or are failing in thos…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 04:13 AM
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That's a hard question to answer because that's basically like asking "go through everything in your head and tell me what doesn't match both RP, or BP" I dunno, that's tough. A lot of it has to do with variations of degrees. As a PP man, I would say RP is wrong in it's extremity. RP is useful as a tool for understand how people are naturally enclined to behave via stereotypes people are naturally enclined to fall into...so...I'd never see a chick who's a 9/10 and think she has anything interest…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 03:51 AM
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TRP doesn't advocate it necessarily, however, this is the logical conclusion in regards to what the texts of TRP suggest. Ie. if you believe women are immature and don't mature past teenagehood, which is a TRP pillar, you are probably not also going to support the idea that women should be able to vote. Why would anyone want a socially or emotionally irresponsible demographic effecting politics? You see this all over TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 03:31 AM
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One of TRP's failings is the belief that people can only be one thing. Feudalism, communism, liberalism, capitalism...people can come from all sorts of angles. While I agree with TRP that most people do happen to be only one thing and due to either lack of education, or absorbing social conditioning without questioning it for a lifetime, end up being terrifyingly simple minded when it comes to their beliefs and what they choose to accept as true, some people can have a lot more nuance in their p…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 03:30 AM
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It's the internet. Everyone is a shitty to everyone. Women are not, and should not be immunized and protected from human behavior. All you're doing is perpetuating manosphere stereotypes that women are weak willed, entitled brats, who want all the benefits of being men, but none of the struggles.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 12:54 AM
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Except, TRP wouldn't be needed if women weren't the issue, and I imagine many would argue you've already ruin their lives, hence, TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 12:44 AM
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No problem. TRP proports itself as a collection of knowledge of how the world really works. Further applications of that knowledge is logical; ie. If you think women are overgrown children that can't think for themselves, obviously they shouldn't be allowed to vote. That kind of thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 07:54 PM
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Reading through this post, this is the largest collection of ass kissing in one place ive ever seen between the various pill subs. The person in question ("llana") is a bully herself. This isn't a case of a princess being victimized, it's literally just a race to the bottom of asshole mountain and she lost. Yes there should be standards by which sub's protect their users, but if someone hates you enough to dox you, you provoked that reaction. If there was an issue, it was dealt with; don't jump …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 07:13 PM
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TRP s says nothing of politics or women's place in the world. I know I was not the only TRP that felt the same way, at least when I was a TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 05:33 PM
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Well...you DO run a sub dedicated to insulting them and their worldviews...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 04:45 AM
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The latter mostly. I don't put much faith in sex/gender surveys. It's mostly faux-science and self reporting which is the exact opposite of reliable.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 02:03 AM
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No problem. I used to be ruthlessly TRP (like, I supported the argument that women were not technically human beings and therefore didn't deserve human rights) and while my views have dramatically softened, and I no longer consider myself TRP, I think one of the social commentaries TRP get's pretty accurate is that women in general are less emotionally, socially, and sexually responsible and/or mature, are more entitled yet less capable and have significantly weaker forces of character than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 12:59 AM
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I think the use of words is confusing things here. You can be attracted to someone, and love someone, but not be passionate for them. Like I said, possibly earlier (or maybe to another poster), a woman can date, marry, and have kids with a man, yet he's not the guy she pictures in her 50 Shades of Grey fantasies. I would actually argue that this is the most common sort of human relationship, at least traditionally.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 12:51 AM
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My opinion of men as a gender is higher than my opinion of women as a gender, therefore when men "misbehave", it's a higher fall from grace than it is to see a woman "misbehave", because that's just women. That being said, the reverse is true as well...when I meet a woman who's "well behaved", intelligent and emotionally mature, I'm far more impressed by her than I am with men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 12:46 AM
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Word up. I'm also glad you guys are starting to recognize that snark is detrimental to honest discussion :)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 12:43 AM
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When was Feminism ever not created for and perpetuated by white, middle class women?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 12:40 AM
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Pure logistically speaking, the author is right; "equality" does serve men better as even if you accept men and women are intellectually identical, men's bodies are more capable, which is scientifically indisputable, so if women are X, men will always be X+1. I'm hesitant to repeat the term "patriarchy", as it gives it credibility and I don't believe patriarchy exists. That being said, I don't think it's actually a moot point. There will always be spaces hostile to women and always be spaces hos…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 12:39 AM
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I generally hold men to a higher standard; am more disappointed to see a man act the way he's acting than if a woman did the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 12:35 AM
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Cough /r/GreenPillChat Cough
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 12:33 AM
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I think some of the concepts of TRP are more true or more valid than "BluePill" explainations or arguments. That doesn't mean...anything other than that really. You are not a Feminist just because you agree with gender equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 12:27 AM
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I don't think it necessitates any of those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 12:19 AM
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Most red pillers would. What they fail to understand is that you don't have to be one or the other. And most people are not one or the other. Red pillers go from one extreme to the other and miss everything in between. And this is why (and I'm sure you've read my comments in the past) I've always stated that red pillers make themselves worse people. There is no self-improvement when you go from loser but okay guy to terrible person who happens to lift weights. At the end of the day, you've becom…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/15 10:03 PM
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Supporting "TRP works" doesn't mean I agree with everything in TRP, nor not take issue with some of the types of people who join TRP/RPW and what they use it for.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/15 08:01 PM
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Muahaha, sucker.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/15 08:00 PM
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I love these threads for tagging the sneaky bastards who don't wear tags.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/15 07:39 AM
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Because this isn't true and it's an odd thing to claim. Lots of women date guys all the time who make sense on paper, or are attractive enough, but aren't exactly picturing him in her 50 shades of grey fantasies. I'm perplexed as to how you can claim this guy doesn't exist. It's not even a TRP thing, it's like claiming Africa isn't a real place.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/15 07:31 AM
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Don't you think this has more to do with the guy being player material and just having an atypical aversion to casual sex though? My best friend's brother could get laid at least 3x a week, but simply doesn't enjoy the idea of taming strange. He's currently in love with a girl in another city carrying on an LDR with a woman he can't even touch. I'm not convinced men who "inspire fiery passions" in women's loins aren't cut from the same cloth players are.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/15 07:20 AM
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I wouldn't have sex with a guy I disliked outside of fucking I wouldn't have sex with a guy I disliked outside of having sex. What?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/15 07:17 AM
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This post deserves like 10 upvotes. I can only give you one.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/15 07:11 AM
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verfell?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/15 07:08 AM
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Is it worse than bodily mutilation? I have no idea. One person was forced to have sex when they didn't want to, my counter is having to live with this: http://www.pakistaniwomen.org/images/acid13.jpg And your answer to whether or not one is worse than the other is..."I don't know"...? I am very ever rarely speechless. You have rendered me speechless. But why don't you ask a shell-shocked soldier how he's getting on, since he still has all his limbs. I'm sure he'll tell you everything's just damn…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/15 06:59 AM
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Yeah, I don't really trust your paraphrasing. Why dont you actually link to some examples of what you're talking about here. [Later cited examples of Feminism encouraging men to work/defend/support/supplicate on behalf of women support this argument as well] Same, link please. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/careers/management/new-rules-aim-for-equality-in-ontarios-corporate-boardrooms/article12184584/ Where exactly did your source say there's no tangible connection between Dis…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/15 06:17 AM
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You are confusing truisms with empiry. I don't know what you mean to say here. What is it with Redpill guys and Cosmo? Seriously, this is a really weird fixation you guys have. I have no idea. I didn't know Cosmo was a thing. It's just a magazine mass consumed by carousel aged women. PS. I am not a RP guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/15 03:29 AM
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But validating TRP by saying you don't know anything better - that like saying you don't know how to get ahead in life so you steal. That's actually an interesting analogy. And perhaps it's apt, but I'd argue that being the thief is better than being the bum people walk over. Most of the guys coming to TRP are natural born losers. They would never be able to compete with what they describe as natural alphas or high betas because the game is already stacked. Being a manipulative, possibly abusive…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/15 11:36 PM
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Does that mean anyone who knows a guy who's not a dick who gets laid can verify it doesn't work? It means there's proof you don't have to be a dick. But then the degree to which either one succeeds now comes into scrutiny. Does the guy who's not an asshole bring a LOT to the table that the asshole doesn't? Yes? Then why be that when you can be an asshole who gets tons of chicks and has little real value? People are people. They want the path of least resistance. If being a nice guy who gets laid…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/15 11:03 PM
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Yea, I guess so.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/15 10:59 PM
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"I'd explain it to you, but you wouldn't want to accept it" Isn't really a valid criticism or constructive argument. If that's the case, why do you post here at all? If you have a rational position, I'm all ears. I never disrespect someone's opinion until I've heard it and concluded it's dumb. There are lots of people who who have good counter arguments to my beliefs, or I would still be RP.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/15 10:58 PM
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Shadowbanning is usually reserved for doxxers. I know a guy from /r/askmen who doxxed a guy threatening suicide so the authorities could be notified to save him and they shadowbanned him. He is very computer savvy and found a way around it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/15 10:40 PM
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Where does it say he is a redpiller? It says he's a soldier with a drinking problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/15 10:36 PM
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I guess I don't understand why people feel it warrants discussion. It's a very simple concept, and there's nothing to say about it that hasn't already been said. It's like debating if the colour red is red enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/15 03:28 AM
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I guess that's the crux of everything. A lot of professional SC players date models.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/15 01:23 AM
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Meow.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/15 01:21 AM
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You're talking about attractive minorities though, I'm guessing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/15 01:21 AM
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Oh. That makes sense actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/15 01:21 AM
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Let's not insult her until she offers something constructive. Snark is just snark. Anyone can be snarky.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/15 01:10 AM
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Basically.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/15 01:09 AM
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I'd love to know you logically jumped from "he has issues with feminists and women" to "therefore, he must have bad social skills". Can you please cite a study indicating social skills are intrinsically linked to an appreciation of Feminism?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/15 01:08 AM
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There aren't any. You're just supposed to know, and if you don't inherently know, you're a loser who doesn't deserve to figure it out anyways. Or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/15 10:50 PM
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Yus.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/15 10:12 PM
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It's not about not making sense, I just don't know why rock climbing is the hobby.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/15 09:09 PM
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The idea that men are offended by hobbies doesn't make any sense. It seems culturally in the Americas that "hobby" has become synonymous with "rock climbing". I can't even really think of another hobby that would be attractive other than recreational sports, of which rock climbing is already a member. I don't know how this occured in our culture, but men being offended by other hobbies doesn't make sense as a likely cause.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/15 08:51 PM
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We really don't need another thread about dreadgame.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/15 08:35 PM
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That doesn't make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/15 08:34 PM
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Anyone who knows a guy who's a dick who gets laid can verify it works. This isn't black magic, underground manosphere, anecdotal, alleged sexual escapades. It's proof via a social phenomenon literally every person has. "Hey, you wanna know why your girl cheated on you for Derk, the asshat with a leather jacket and a drug problem? Wanna know why Chad the douchebag on the football squad who didn't respect women as much as you do always got the girls? Wanna know why Jenny who shares your love of we…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/15 08:33 PM
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Is it? Most PUA and RP gurus seem to be very keen to attract negative attention from feminists, it helps their publicity and gives them street cred in the manosphere... In the short term, there are benefits, but you can't run a PUA organization and hope it goes mainstream by catering to anti-feminists. Nothing can stop feminists if they demand something. If feminists demanded all cars be replaced with unicycles because the internal combustion engine is an oppressive expression of patriarchal val…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/15 08:20 PM
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But ultimately, women definitely diverge in what they find attractive much more so than men. Men tend to agree on what attracts them, where as women seem to be attracted to a much wider range of traits. Several studies have concluded that this is likely true. One example is body shape. Men seem to be attracted to a narrow range of waist to hip ratios. Women, on the other hand, are attracted to a much wider range of body shapes. Some women like tall skinny athletic guys. Some women like muscular …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/15 08:09 PM
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This sounds like you've completely abandoned RPW'ness and opted for a generic psychological experiment instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/15 08:00 PM
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He's trying to say that patriarchy doesn't exist because none of it's "components" are authentic. If patriarchy was real, it would speak more to women being lazy do-nothings who allow themselves to be oppressed than it would to men being oppressive.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/15 07:54 PM
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I may have a fundamental lack of understanding of something but I don't think it's my lacking the male perspective that's the issue. To be frank, it doesn't sound like you know what it's like to be a man at all, let alone an incel. Your entire world view is centered around inherent knowledge and passive interpretations of learning attraction which heavily female centric. It very much sounds like you're taking your experience of not having to work for sex/affection as a woman, and applying that t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/15 07:49 PM
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Going to admit, this is impressive. I was 85% sure you were pulling shit out of your ass. Or, were going to link to a janky ass Feminist study declaring all men are rapists who support the patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/15 06:37 PM
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You concluded RedPill has an advantage from a premise of RedPill being inferior... Wat?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/15 06:14 PM
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If a guy can't look the fuck around at the kinds of other guys who are attracting women (or who women they know are attracted to) and instead opts to keep heeding "advice" then yeah, he deserves to be exactly where he is. Wow... I hope you apply an equal dosage of molevolence, lack of empathy and disdain to issues surrounding Feminism, women, socioeconomics/class warfare, and foreign policy... Well I'm not a feminist and I've said that a great many times before so... Your tag says you are and yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/15 05:53 PM
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I think the fundamental issue here is your lack of understanding of the male perspective of this issue. You're absolutely right, no it isn't. But it is also not the fault of everyone else either. You went out of your way to talk about the shitty advice women give and throughout it all, my only question was "And so what?" Because honestly, shitty advice is given from all corners of the internet and beyond but how long can blaming them be a genuinely viable option? It's a copout. I'm sorry but it …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/15 05:17 PM
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Sure, that's how PUA started, but it evolved to be much larger than that. /r/TheRedPill evolved out of /r/Seduction when it because a faux paux to talk about "game" and "game theory" in that sub. /r/TheRedPill was essentially concieved as a non-PC /r/seduction. Yes, in a manner of speaking but not entirely. TRP was bred from the clash of, what's would now be called BluePill seduction artists and guys who felt attraction was not an abstract concept. To demonstrate the wide range of ideologies, fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/15 04:45 PM
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Obviously. After all, "women and the mainstream" are the target demographic for PUA advice. Ignorant comment Miss. Culotte...PUA was largely an underground movement that went undetected since the 90's. When Mystery did "The Pick Up Artist" and Neil Strauss did "The Game", PUA essentially went mainstream and an influx of women went "what's this!?", after which the community got lambasted and PUA as an industry started getting taking apart by women, women's groups and shaming tactics stopping men …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/15 03:59 PM
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You are not pro male; you are pro alpha, which is of no practical difference to any other blooper, or non-pilled woman. I have not once "lied" about you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/15 03:49 PM
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TRP is PUA/sexual strategy. No, it is not. TRP is an expression of natural value. PUA was, at the beginning, a method by which low quality men could convince women the were high quality men. Now, with guys like Mark Manson, it's just TRP with a pro-woman spin. Who says it is something men should do? You implied it. Why else mention it's "feminist approved" if you don't think it's of relevance. That's not even an informmal fallacy. That's a formal fallacy. Your reasoning doesn't make any sense. Y…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/15 03:43 PM
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It's essentially a four paragraphs of misplaced shame, and scolding. You kicked the dog when it was already down, then took out the 12 gauge and shot it in the face. The post reads as if you're suggesting anyone who isn't Channing Tatum is a piece a' shit who deserves to be incel. First paragraph: We're all familiar with the common gripe from TRP and other struggling dudes that blame their plight on ~feminists~ and BP shills telling them to "just be nice" or "just be yourself" in order to attrac…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/15 03:29 PM
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That's not what I suggested, but coming from one of the least constructive, value-taking, semi-famous posters in "pill-cultured" subreddits? lol,...k.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/15 02:56 PM
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Why is "hobby" always synonymous with "rock climbing"?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/15 02:49 PM
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There actually are alternatives. There are literally dozens of categories of PUA. PUA is largely ineffective. Some schools of PUA are "feminist aproved." Being "Feminist approved" is worth nothing. Why would being Feminist approved mean men should do it? Also, if you goal is to have sex then you're better off in a serious relationship. People in relationships have more sex than single people. Red-herring. This is a silly argument anyway. Of course they do...because they're banging 1 person. This…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/15 06:33 AM
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Well said and very succinct. A very high quality response.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/15 06:31 AM
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:/
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/15 05:01 AM
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/u/dragoness_leclerq, I like you...but...yeesh...that was a rough post girl...rough.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/15 04:43 AM
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You are getting a skewed perception of things by listening to the large numbers of reddit dudes lacking success. How many are going to come on here posting "sup reddit, I am Chinese, and absolutely SLAYING white pussy!" Who the fuck would say that? You have a point here, but at the same time, this a common comment from women as well; that they don't like non-white guys. Yes of course, "don't listen to the fish", but I think women are at least self aware enough to know they aren't regularly attra…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/15 04:14 AM
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I'm not trying to say he sit there and wait for hotties to fall in his lap, I'm saying build value and go about women the same way most guys do, ie. looking for IOI's. Women in the carousel don't want non-white guys so while he can go for it, I doubt it will be a good use of time. That's my experience and my advice. He can take it or leave it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/15 04:04 AM
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I'm not going to bother urban dictionary'ing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/15 02:44 AM
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COmpared to your garbage post? Srs brah? Women are attracted to value. End of story. You have the right to be wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/15 02:44 AM
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Bro, these are the beta males of other races whining. So right here, we have our first issue though..."beta males whining". Not everyone is going to be alpha. By definition alpha is alpha because there's only like 10% of them in any given group. Banking on being alpha is a bad strategy IMO because it's a goal you're probably not going to ever get. Unless you learned how to be alpha when you were young because your parents put you in sports and you were good at it (or whatever) I don't think you …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/15 02:33 AM
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Not it's not. There's no point opening a store in a crappy location that no one wants to come into when you have a product no one wants. You're just wasting your time and money. The cold hard truth is that most women, in western nations, have a strong preference for white men. Tindering it up and expecting to get somewhere is a waste of time IMO. It's better to build value and let it speak for itself, and then you can self select the women who are into you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/15 02:27 AM
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Nice. Send me the vids.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/15 01:55 AM
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I never would have thought this since coming to Reddit, but the degree to which women in NA prefer white men makes it pretty much a waste of time to try to approach or attract women actively if you're not a white guy, or quite attractive naturally. You're better off having an active social life, and building value at work, and in your personal life and waiting for women to come to you. You will probably not get women in their carousel phase as a younger guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/15 01:54 AM
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Im sure. How's the weather in France today? Do they really eat cats in China? What's it like being a 50yr old man?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/15 01:45 AM
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You're cute ♥
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/15 01:20 AM
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I think it's creepier to give a bunch of people different information and pretending to be someone else every other day...lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/15 01:13 AM
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Because you told me so to my face, 2. Because people have compared notes on you, and 3. Because you're kind of weird and regularly contradict yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/15 12:41 AM
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You also told someone you were 19, someone else you were 23, and someone else you were 21. You told someone you live in USA, you told me and someone else you live in Russia, and now you're saying you live in Portugal...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/15 12:30 AM
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As someone who was in the PUA community for quite a long time, finding TRP resulted in me feeling PUA was misleading. It very much changed from the 90's from "women are dumb bitches who only bang assholes. I've discovered the buttons you need to push to make girls wanna sex you. This is how" to versions of Mark Manson'esque "women are not the enemy. The real secret to PUA is loving women harder. Just have value, but we're not going to tell you what "value" is." I can read Mark Mansions blog from…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/15 11:58 PM
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No, not at all. As someone who was into the PUA community for 9yrs, PUA is basically neutered, watered down version of TRP, made to be more appealing sounding to women and the mainstream. It's also encouraging to men and feeds them unrealistic hopes, where TRP is very honest that if you don't X, or have B, you're fucked.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/15 11:53 PM
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I didn't say that. I just have no idea why you posted it. You're weird...and Russian.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/15 11:32 PM
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That's....kind of true.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/15 10:25 PM
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If you get to know her on PPDIRC, I'd say she's not pro male. She's playing devil's advocate, which she stated above. That being said, pro-male women are awkward because it's a 180 degree departure from the norm. Most women are pro women at the detriment of men because that's what's advanced by our social narrative as what side women should be on. People who ditch their "team" for the enemy naturally come off as awkward because people assume the stabbed their pals in the back for some deeper rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/15 10:23 PM
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A woman has the right to end a sexual interaction whenever they please, as does a man. However when a partner ignores this and commits sexual assault, you question the person who received the trauma? Of course they do, but the issue is people withdrawing consent half way through, non-verbally, and then claiming it was rape afterwards. On top of which, it's a crime with only two witnesses...the alleged raper and rapee. People not only will question, they need to question, and im my opinion, quest…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/15 10:11 PM
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So, you're basically wasting everyone's time, including your own and making yourself look like a tool, sourcefagging for sources you wouldn't believe even if he provided them? Maturity level = Epic.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/15 09:58 PM
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Ignoring your ad hominem, that's only 1 particular case amongst the dozens of rape cases, and whilst I respect you backed up your personal insult my city just had a rape case before christmas and not a single newspaper or article about it (it was BIG) asked the young men accused of raping her if they even actually did. They did not even protect the boys identity (assuming this could have been the case because there was some kind of embargo) #DuelingAnecdotes4Lyf.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/15 09:56 PM
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You know, ignoring the subtle nuances of the English language is a lot like ignoring the subtle nuances of understanding a complicated issue like rape. I understand that you might breeze over "one of the...", thinking it unimportant, but it still makes you an ignoramus, as does your thinking that no one out there is concerned with the systemic social roots of violent crimes like robbery and/or attempted murder - but I'm sure you've got something implausibly racist or bootstrappy to say about tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/15 09:49 PM
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o0
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/15 09:34 PM
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Lawl. [rolls eyes]
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/15 09:32 PM
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You can, but you're being a derp.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/15 09:07 PM
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Lol, you can't report my comment explaining to you how TRP views women for misogyny in a PPD thread silly.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/15 08:18 PM
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For what? oO
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/15 08:14 PM
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TRP doesn't think women aren't people, they just think they're crappy people.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/15 08:40 AM
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He may be interesting. Ill talk to him about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/15 08:39 AM
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YOU. And /u/GridReXXwoman , /u/nomdplume and /u/wazzup987 I dunno, I'm just listing people whose usernames I can remember off the top of my head Lawl. Dork.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/15 08:34 AM
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I think it's a guy :/
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/15 08:30 AM
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Does he attend this forum? I've only ever seen him on TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/15 08:01 AM
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Wat.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/15 03:00 AM
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:/
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/15 03:00 AM
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Because most people have a pretty good idea where they fall and you have some very concrete beliefs you don't seem to have any interest in changing that mutually exclusive with tenets of TRP so I don't get where you see yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 10:00 PM
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You haven't thought about what pill you are in a pill debate forum :/ ?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 09:51 PM
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Are you redpill? You can't be redpill and a feminist
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 09:41 PM
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Nothing. The bar would just raise. I've actually heard some convincing arguments insisting men should bury PUA and TRP because it only makes life harder for every man that discovers it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 09:35 PM
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Why do you care what rpers think?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 09:09 PM
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Oh man, I almost want to give you Reddit gold because of how "golden" this post is. I wouldn't complain. :) Rape is one of the worst things that can happen to a person. This is absolutely undeniable to anyone with even a shred of the ability to think critically. With all due respect, you are a lunatic if you think rape is the worst thing you can do to someone. Killing someone, shooting someone, stabbing someone, burning someone, disfiguring someone, instigating a war, hell even some degrees of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 06:31 PM
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Wat? If there was a movement that told me that my gender was the master race, everyone else is a shithead, and all of my problems are because the opposite gender is out to get me, I'd fucking love that shit. Ironically this is basically what feminists and bluepills will say about TRP. I think the difference between the two being that a lot of the issues TRP raises are legitimate where as most of women's societal problems were solved decades ago or don't actually exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 06:11 PM
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It's not, but Feminism is a paradigm that informs all of someone's other beliefs. Saying feminism is not a sexual strategy is disingenuous as someone who adopts feminism as their paradigm is unlikely to adopt a large variety of other sexual strategies. A feminist is unlikely to be a slutshamer for eg. Feminism is a means by which uncompetitive women can commandeer value/resources from men and women who would otherwise be the recipients. Practical feminism does seem to have a consistent focus on …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 05:50 PM
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I'm glad youve been able to find something that impressed upon you that TRP has it's purpose but isn't universally applicable as I have. It's strange though because I don't see the disturbing'ness of this story as you do. I mean the business man clearly new he had leverage and used it to have rough sex with her, but she volunteered for it, never indicated a lack if consent and then robbed him when she left. Also, why do people think being young is an excuse to everything. "Yea, I totes murdered …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 05:44 PM
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I'm glad youve been able to find something that impressed upon you that TRP has it's purpose but isn't universally applicable as I have. It's strange though because I don't see the disturbing'ness of this story as you do. I mean the business man clearly new he had leverage and used it to have rough sex with her, but she volunteered for it, never indicated a lack if consent and then robbed him when she left. Also, why do people think being young is an excuse to everything. "Yea, I totes murdered …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 05:44 PM
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Decided RedPill wasn't for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 07:21 AM
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Considering I've changed a few of my fundamental beliefs, and discovered several holes in my social skills, debate skills, and my beliefs about people's behavior in general, quite a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 06:46 AM
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And I'm sure there's pretty much nothing under the sun I could do to convince you, but I'm ok with that. ...Notice my tag? I have been consistent and honest that I believe what I believe because it makes most sense to me and if someone can provide superior arguments/opinions, I am willing to examine them with intellectual honesty. You don't seem like someone who does. How would you distinguish the multiple academic feminisms from what you call practical feminism? I've already explained. Academic…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 06:43 AM
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I wouldn't agree. If you can't get those two HB8's, you probably can't get any girls. Male sexuality is fairly binary.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 05:04 AM
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Yes. Not if you go into a rape victim's support group and say "HEY DID ANY OF YOU LIKE IT", but do you really think that people never admit to shameful things in anonymous studies? It's well understood that partner count studies are totally fudged because women lie down and men lie up to hide shame on either side. I think "yea, I loved getting raped by a stranger" is a fucking lot more shameful than "I banged that guy at a party once. That sucked". I think you're being naive to the moon and back…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 05:03 AM
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I'm not "determined to undermine the validity of your pain", you've made good points, which I respect, however, you've also made some not good points, which I am naturally inclined to challenge. Instead of blaming the victim, how about we start believing them, supporting them in receiving help, and working towards a day where we won't have to have this argument? Here, you're advocating that society swing ever more extremely into "rape is the worst thing in the world" territory. Yes, there are ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 04:54 AM
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I can honestly say I have never in any report, news article or public case, heard the male's side of a rape story. Do you hang around inside courts or something...?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 03:37 AM
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That's extraordinarily confident of you, but you still avoided the question; if he were to source you a legitimate study indicating you are wrong, would you be willing to change your opinion?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 03:32 AM
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So, you're demanding a citation even though you think you know where he got it from and you know it's bad? That's pretty bad-faith debate tactics...you can't expect people to take you seriously or offer you respect or intellectual honesty when you make bad-faith debate tactics.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 10:00 PM
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Well, what is TRP interested in fixing? Failing male sexual strategies, the war and death on/of masculinity, and men's extreme disadvantage in the sexual marketplace.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 09:58 PM
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Well, you've made several points so I'm going to try responding to most of them, and some of them I'm going to inquire about and some of them I'm going to disagree with. In my case it was a guy in my HS who was popular, good looking, and a star athlete. He acted as if I was lucky to be violated by him, like I should be glad. I willingly entered his home wanting to have my first kiss, and left degraded and genuinely frightened. Apparently my continued pleading for him to stop was less important t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 08:44 AM
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I see your point, however, I think an inability to not understand facial expressions is at a level far below not being able to discern when someone legitimately doesn't want physical contact with you and when they do. I have worked around autistic children and even they could have been able to determine someone didn't want them touching them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 08:32 AM
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Anyway, at least one[1] decent sized study has shown that trauma symptoms following rape are consistent between stranger and acquaintance, friend and partner rapes. You're avoiding the question because it's inconvenient. I'm asking you if you, in all intellectual honesty, think asking women if they enjoy being raped is going to yield a positive result regardless of whether they actually do or not? Yes or no.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 08:23 AM
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Would you even be willing to accept it if it was cited?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 08:11 AM
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Dumb, dangerous assumption. Louis CK was making fun of that assumption, hence why this conversation started--because you pushed your shitty agenda onto a joke you didn't understand. If I made a post attempting to argue why all blacks are murderers based on my misinterpretation American History X, see if somebody doesn't call me out on it. That's what happened here. Don't get buttsore about it. Or, I could have attempted to use a joke I heard a year ago as a tangential comment to a point I was ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 07:45 AM
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No, but that's not really the point. The point is TRP offers answers, and a semi understandable (and well reasoned IMO) reasoning behind why those answers make sense. If you don't TRP is correct, or even that it's wrong/counter productive, you must have a better answer than "nothing, just not that".
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 07:24 AM
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BYOB. Shrimp is nice. Maybe some of those little meatball rolls with the sauce.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 04:03 AM
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To whatever problem you believe TRP was made to fix. It's easy to criticize TRP, but it's much harder to offer and alternative. I'm generally curious what people who denigrate TRP think is a superior option if not TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 03:41 AM
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You've misunderstood her madame.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 02:17 AM
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Has lying about your job worked in the past?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 02:14 AM
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If anything, I'd say a person is the worst source of information about themselves you could possibly rely on.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 02:11 AM
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That seems like you're cherry picking. If you find a man attractive who doesn't care what other people think, how does that just randomly turn off when it's opinions about women? Attraction isn't a choice, so I don't really believe you, respectfully.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 02:09 AM
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This. Is literally. The least important part. Of my original post. Who gives a shit. What the actual joke was. It was a tangential comment. Get over it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 01:58 AM
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Nice. You have a fun name to say. YOU MAY STAY.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 01:57 AM
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I've literally watched a gang of women convince another woman she was raped when she was cool with it a day ago. This not a rare thing; I'm sure it happens all the time...you just don't ever hear about it because...how often do you hear a guys side of the story in a rape case?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 01:56 AM
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Beggars can't be choosers bruh.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 01:54 AM
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This. Is literally. The least important part. Of my original post. Who gives a shit. What the actual joke was. It was a tangential comment. Get over it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 01:52 AM
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Nope. I knew you were thinking of this joke and I knew you were misinterpreting it so you could push your agenda on it. Yes, my PurplePill agenda filled with ambiguity and agreement on both sides. Grr. He's not talking about women, he's talking about one woman. And he's saying that you should not assume a woman wants to be raped and then rape her under that assumption. That's why he didn't fuck the girl in that story. This. Is literally. The least important part. Of my original post. Who gives a…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 01:52 AM
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Who said anything about people enjoying being raped? You're conflating two different contexts...which ironically, was the entire point of my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 01:51 AM
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Pegging is understable. Anal sex with women is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 01:49 AM
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There was really nothing political about it. I'm amazed that is what people are getting upset about.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 01:48 AM
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And what would you suggest is a superior option?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 01:46 AM
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You've lost me. Exprain.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 01:44 AM
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Cause it concerns men. Same fashion feminists really don't care about issues that disproportionately damage the lives of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 09:40 PM
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Lolz. I can see how you might see it that way. To me, TRP never his that sex was going to be hard to get. You definitely have guys posting regularly "omgawd, I used to be a nice guy, but now I just treat women like shit and they're on mah dick in no time" but I think most if these guys already had the building blocks anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 09:38 PM
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I see your point and I'd agree that many of the people joining TRP are doing it out of a hope to fix their problems that probably won't be met. However, unlike a fake weight loss scam, TRP DOES work if you put the effort in and have the natural building blocks of an alpha male (which is something conveniently ignored).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 09:30 PM
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When discussing TRP, it usually doesn't get anywhere to go into the moral implications of behaviors. TRP is about amorally dissecting the actions and behaviors of people. Appealing to emotion based arguments is moot because most of them don't care. You have to consider that a lot of people who do cheat are selfish anyways so appealing to the emotions and treatment of others gets you nowhere. It makes more sense to start from a place of the standards one holds for one's self.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 09:27 PM
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Lol, that probably would have been funny...except that it sounds like it's relates to impotence...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 08:27 PM
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"Being the best version if yourself" often requires being someone else. If "yourself" hasn't worked for you in twenty something years, stop being yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 08:26 PM
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I would argue its extremity would turn away more people than it assimilates. People rarely change their views and the vast majority of people are moderates. I think TRPs massive boon has more to do with a legitimate affront from feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 08:22 PM
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I would argue TRP does not promise sex. Actually I'd argue TRP tells men it will be harder to get sex than they originally believed because only the alphas get sex. How do you respond?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 08:19 PM
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When I first got to RedPill I was much the same way. I definitely didn't care if guys cheated on women because they deserved the pain anyway. Now I would say guys who find TRP and endeavor to be a better and more masculine man should be resolving not to cheat as cheating at least in my opinion is remarkably feminine. The entire premise of the TRP's take on male superiority is/was that it was men who built society, culture and the human race through our value of trust, honour, and responsibility.…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 08:14 PM
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The female creepshot. It will be interesting to see if this has any gender backlash from MRA groups.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 08:04 PM
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The Louis ck joke was literally the least important sentence in my entire reply.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 06:30 PM
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No, the joke is about one woman who Louis CK describes as "out of her fucking mind". He's telling a story about a woman he was seeing This conversation is like me talking about nuance involved in police brutality hurting black kids, and you taking extreme issue with the colour of the hoodie he was wearing...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 09:01 AM
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A pretty big proportion of men in prison, I suppose. A pretty big proportion of men in prison, you suppose what? Who is going to say "yes, I enjoyed getting raped"?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 08:51 AM
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He also pointed out how fucked up it would be to rape a woman just in case she wanted it. I'm sure he may have. I can't remember that special well enough, but in any case, it's beside the point, but thanks for making note. EDIT How do you reconcile this with very attractive men committing rape (which happens)? Partner rape? Rape where the woman would have willingly had sex with him? So, how do I reconcile guys who can get sex turning to rape anyway? Because most people don't really want what the…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 07:48 AM
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Thank you Mr.Shadow.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 07:42 AM
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He's telling a story about a woman he was seeing who's fantasy was to be dommed. The joke regards how women basically wanna be raped and how this puts men in a fucked up situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 06:25 AM
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C is classic PUA, not necessarily TRP. Again, if a girl is in your bed, or your house, and you've done other things, it wouldn't be ridiculous to assume she probably wants to fuck and is only saying no to avoid feeling like a slut. Women wanna feel like "it just happened". However, yes, it does leave the male in the rather dangerous position of having forced sex with someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 06:18 AM
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There are different strategies. You can either A) pretend like she's right and it's off the table, in the hopes she decides "fuck it", or B) make her hornier until her emotional state overpowers reason. This is usually how guys good with women convince women to cheat. If you know how to push a woman's buttons, you make them do pretty much anything. Or C) "Caveman" her, which is to say, dom her in hopes that you're right and she won't deem it rape after.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 06:03 AM
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I guess I worded that badly. Obviously I meant to say a random riping your panties off is blatantly rape. I meant to make a distinction between someone doing that and say, getting fucked at a party whilst drunk and deciding later you wish he/you hadn't done that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 05:59 AM
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Body language. This is the issue with the Feminist concept of consent: the ability to tell when someone is saying no but they actually wanna do it and when someone is saying no and they seriously mean "NO" is, like, kindergarten level social skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 05:50 AM
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Putting aside that he's a very honest comic and tends to write comedy about his actual feelings, whether Louis CK would support TRP in real life has nothing to do with the validity of his joke or my point. Putting aside criminal rape where-in a legitimate criminal forces himself on a stranger, most rape tends to be a male desiring the target, and using his power to dominate her. This obviously an attractive female fantasy, when performed by men she finds attractive. Instead of calling it bullshi…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 05:46 AM
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Not fearing rejection doens't mean anything if the girl doesn't wanna say yes to you in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 05:09 AM
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What gender are you? Is it true however, that some men know how to attract women and some men, somehow 'missed the meno?' Well yes, of course some men learn this by themselves. Some men know how to do it but don't know how or why it works. The guy I knew who was best with women growing up...I mean, he used to make siblings hate each other/fight over him when they knew him for a day, told me when I asked how he does it "just talk to them until they like you". Not very insightful...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 04:46 AM
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Luck. Attraction is just value. If a guy has value, someone, somewhere is going to find him attractive and will be willing to do all the work to get him to notice her. Most men only have 3-5 sexual partners by the time they hit 35 and marry/settle down. 5 partners in 19 years of sexual primacy is nothing. I know guys who fuck 5 women in 2 weeks.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 04:13 AM
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This is the first time in history sexual darwinism is basically totally unchecked. Works great for women. Not so much for guys. Men really have no idea how to get women, or what they're supposed to be doing now. It's exacerbated by women, Feminism and media giving men counter-productive dating advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 04:03 AM
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Of course not. It's new. Post something if you'd like. Say hi. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 03:59 AM
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The issue with rape is that there's a difference between real rape and women deciding something was rape after the fact, which TRP can logically and understandably condone. It's like the old Louis CK joke about women's sexual fantasy, and wanting to be dominated...which is technically rape by mainstream/BluePill definitions. It makes the whole argument kind of moot. Unless you jump out from the bushes and rip a girl's panties off and go to town, pretty much any romantic situation can be deemed r…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 03:05 AM
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I think the simpler explaination is that most people involved in TRP are attempting to overcompensate in the eyes of others and anything that doesn't have to do with hypermasculinity and being alpha is shunned. Whilst I agree with TRP that masculinity is under attack by women, Feminism and the general media, this is an example of TRP going off the looneybin deep end. I have listened to a mixed group of RedPill men and women discuss the "faggoty-ness" of anal sex even when male performs it on a f…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 02:52 AM
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:)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 02:48 AM
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:)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 02:48 AM
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Because it makes more sense than "orange pill"..."brown pill"...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 02:48 AM
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Various other sources show there are people interested in getting to know others. I thought about this before j posted this....in fact, I almost didn't because I figured there's be no interest due to competing world views, but ultimately I think there will be a glimmer of something there as people who really don't want to accommodate other people's views or get to know people just hang in their respective echochambers. I'm also willing to mod the shit out of it and promoting other mods if need b…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 02:27 AM
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Because "PurplePill" is a clash of red and blue, hence purple. This sub isn't specifically meant for debating/arguing. Because "GreenPillChat" was catchier and easier to remember as a URL than something like "PurplePillBehindTheScenes" or something. If people would rathher have it connected to PPD, I can rename it and recolour the banner, but I figured "GreenPill" would be nice for a socializing sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 01:59 AM
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That's the point :D
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 01:38 AM
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Because entitlement is a fantastic concept when used as a weapon. It's an easy way to make someone with reasonable expectations look vain and glutinous, and someone with overblown expectations look altruistic and victimized.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 12:57 AM
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Again, you haven't really provided information necessary to have a conversation. You're just saying "TRP is wrong because I haven't seen it work", to which all I can say is that you could just as easily be an exception. TRP has been confirmed by enough men and women as being generally accurate that there's no way anyone can really claim it doesn't work on some level. You can take issue with whom it's working on, but not that this is how men and women behave. As another user said "you only notice…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/15 11:02 PM
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Do you mean to say you're bisexual? This is confusing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/15 10:10 PM
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TRP doesn't say women like you and your friends don't exist, only that they are rare. Also, considering your description, you also have to take into account self selection; you sound like a lot of work and TRP is primarily aimed at younger guys attempting to attract women in the "carousel" phase. You sound like an older woman (30+) who's social circle and sexual options self select and are more a result of "it just happened" mindset to sex and dating than the younger generation who are more acti…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/15 09:49 PM
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She was trying to say that that's what TRP says, but that in her experience, nice guys finish first.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/15 09:45 PM
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(okay, I screamed at one guy when I was 17) ABSOLUTELY. REPREHENSIBLE. BEHAVIOR. :P Looking back at prior interactions with women I have realized I see way more RP stuff that has been true for me than I am comfortable with. This is ambiguous. What do you mean by this?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/15 09:29 PM
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While this is surprisingly refreshing and well reasoned post by a woman by a long time, I think your argument only works if we assume TRP males either view women as 2's or 9's which isn't the case. While it's true a 2's only option is to be faithful, you don't have to be a 9 to be a sloot and get away with it. The 7 has just as many options realistically as the 9 does. The 9 just has SO many options she literally wouldn't have time to fuck everyone who wanted to fuck her. The 7 just actually doe…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/15 09:24 PM
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The girls who are not shallow and self absorbed are typically not the ones interested in casual sex. They're the one's who'll have 1 prior partner before marriage at 23. It's a self selecting demographic that most of the sexually liberal ONS/FWB minded women also tend to be shitheads because having that much power over 50% of the population tends to make you a shithead.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/15 09:18 PM
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Great counter post.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/15 09:17 PM
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This would only make sense if all the men joining TRP were only attracted to "stereotypically awful, shallow women", which would be a pretty silly position to put forth. Also, given your self professed level of attractiveness and academic success, you probably quality for most of those stereotypical behaviors/thought processes so your opinion is likely pretty tainted. Or least, is a "pot calling the kettle black" scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/15 09:13 PM
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TRP seems to consider pegging, and anal sex (even when performed on a woman) "faggoty". Personally, I think it has more to do with insecurities and weakly attempting to appear masculine. It's kinda pathetic. I really never cared about fetishes except cuckolding. That's not cool.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/15 08:44 PM
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Obviously these numbers can not be confirmed, but I actually don't disagree with your assessment. We want the truth, even if it's our decision to let it doom us. We were drawn to the RP, This is what we asked for. I wouldn't dare argue if we were all better off without it, I don't think I would be. Yea, I mean, "better off" is subjective I guess. I know I'd definitely be happier. Knowing exactly why a woman rejected me, or why my friend is more sucessful than me with women and that I'll never be…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/15 08:41 PM
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Maybe not a serious one, but I've definitely seen guys jack a girl and keep her.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/15 08:29 PM
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I have no faith that even if I sourced every sentence I wrote to you, you'd have any interest in reconsidering your position as you've asked me for sources in discussions before and I've provided sources that proved your position wrong and you changed your argument and pretended the point you were making wasn't the point you were making, but in either case, we can look at some of these... Feminism is perpetuated by the constant persecutory delusion aka victim complex of women in a given society.…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/15 08:22 PM
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Are you trying to date 16 year old girls? If not who cares? 16 year olds aren't the intellectual driving force behind feminism. Feminism doesn't tell men to treat women "like princesses". "Empowered" 16 yr olds turn into "empowered" 30yr olds. Women are the driving force of a Feminism. 16 yr old female humans are women, last I checked. Feminism is perpetuated by the constant persecutory delusion aka victim complex of women in a given society. I don't have the time, energy or interest to deal wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/15 01:49 AM
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Mainstream male dating advice =\= feminist narrative, feminism afaik never set out to get dudes laid. Feminism is the mainstream dating advice ecosystem. You're conflating academic Feminism as a theory, with practical Feminism as a social narrative. Mobs of 16 year old girls aren't posting cliche insta slides with crap like "real men treat girls like princesses", and "if he makes you cry, he's not worth your tears" because Feminism has nothing to say about it. You're conflating actual feminist t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/15 01:00 AM
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That's something I never got about "AMOG" game. Why would you want an LTR with a woman who demonstrated first hand she can't be trusted?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/15 12:01 AM
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LAWL.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/15 11:33 PM
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Using the "onus is on you" bullcrap is not an excuse to never do your own homework. What you called a source on is pretty common knowledge for people who stay apprised of gender dynamics. I absolutely agree if you say something, and don't have a source to back it up, if called upon, you're making yourself look like a fool, but by equal measure, I could just as easily ask you for sources on every sentence you post from now to the rest of your time in this subreddit. It's obnoxious and lots of peo…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/15 09:42 PM
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Dumb pseudo philosophy. That statement doesn't make any sense as it's self fulfilling due to the fact that in any group of over 1 person, one person will always be better, regardless of effort...
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/15 09:27 PM
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Alright, so that's an abuse of the word "objectively." I'm not going to address dating right now. Let's say women have dating easier for a moment. There's more to life than dating. Women have a harder time climbing the career ladder. I would actually love it for you, or anyone to demonstrate in any practical, or logical way how your sexual market value is not directly correlated to the ease of your life and the difficulty with which you have navigating your way through the world, as in my opinio…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/15 03:52 AM
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This is quite the twisted strawman. I'll attempt to straighten it out: Whether it's a straw-man or not is really only a testement to how horrible mainstream male dating advice and the Feminist narrative is. You're kind of proving my point. It's not what they're saying...but it is actually exactly what they're saying. respecting women =\= women being attracted to you the same way being nice doesn't, but it helps. The caveat is there are people who get off on disrespect but that's not most people.…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/15 03:05 AM
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No one suggested it was. It was a point made by a poster which I challenged.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/15 12:33 AM
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Don't tell anyone, but I heard if you ask Google to give you information, it does.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 11:14 PM
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Oh I took the lovely SMV test...and where I scored the lowest was on my IQ (go figure). Lawl. Everyone defines success differently. Why can't you just accept that? Not all of us want the house with a white picket fence. And you better believe feminism correlates with the increase in women pursuing STEM careers It's not about defining success. It's about actual success. A hot woman is going to have a hard time not being successful in life. If she really sucks..and I mean REALLY sucks, the entire …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 11:13 PM
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Sure you do toots...Every woman on the internet thinks she's a 9. This means nothing. In either case, wanting to pursue a stem career has no practical correlation to feminism in the context we're discussing. Most high smv women don't give a fuck about stem careers and don't need one to be successful.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 09:56 PM
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It is one thing to say that the social narrative of... "you can't get laid because you don't respect women. Have you tried respecting women harder? Be a nice guy. Women love nice guys. Also, women hate nice guys because they think they can get sex with their niceness coins. Don't be a nice guy, but be a nice guy because women hate jerks who treat them badly. Also, just be yourself and someone will love you for who you really are" ...has been virally spread by feminists, and that that was a misst…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 08:08 PM
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If your cat had an opinion, would you listen to it? Being able to entertain a thought without accepting it is the sign of a developed mind. I would be curious what my cat had to say and how it came to those conclusions. That does not mean I would automatically disregard it's world view, but instead understand how it formed it's world view from the life it was given. It's not so much that men disrespect women's opinions, but that men understand women's lives are objectively much easier and theref…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 08:01 PM
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You've got to be trolling. Ummm...no. Age doesn't mean anything. Experience doesn't mean anything. Age and experience means nothing. If the 13yr old you're trying to bang tells their mommy, it's a wrap for you. This is why they typically groom their targets first; to minimize the need for supplication and conceding power to the minor. Make the minor WANT to connect with you in the same way and the power balance equalizes. Human rights and liberties aren't real things. Go catch me a "human rights…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 07:29 PM
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You've got to be trolling.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 07:27 PM
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Yeah the women who failed feminism. It's much easier to just give up. Feminism is a social tool by which low SMV women can redistribute resources and validation from both high(er) SMV men and high(her) SMV women. The women you think "failed" feminism probably never needed it or wanted it to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 07:26 PM
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Google it...there were a few studies released last year supporting this.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 07:19 PM
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I think for someone declaring themselves feminist to not acknowledge this is horrifically disingenuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 07:16 PM
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I did add an edit to my post, but AWALT is the most misogynistic thing TRP has to offer. How can you respect someone who is inferior, emotional, and disloyal? I respect house cats. Compared to even a child, a house cat is retardedly dumb, and offers nothing to the world. I treat the cat the way I want to be treated because that's a maxim that makes sense to live by. TRP's say "AWALT" because all women are usually like that. I just had two experiences in my life where two women I knew in my life …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 07:11 PM
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In that case, we don't philosophically disagree. I take issue with your verbiage as "entitled" is a loaded word though.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 06:43 PM
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Except that not having enough cash to buy food, or put a roof over your head, has actual societal effects. Just look at all the third world countries and their insane poverty rates if you don't believe me. So does not having a sexual partner/life partner. People with sexual validation/life partners/marriages are psychologically happier, assist or raise the other partner out of poverty, and offer each other security from a "double income", which contributes to spending power and spending power co…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 06:05 PM
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No, I'm saying your argument as to why no one should care about incels is equally applicable to the poor, and hence, is a bad argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 05:35 PM
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You can make the same argument for the poor.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 05:20 PM
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And many men who find that sub do just that. "Many" is a radical overstatement. TRP is at least 50% angry omegas who realized TRP is their doom, not their salvation, 40% high betas who didn't really need it in the first place, but have used to correct their Nice Guy'ism and 10% actual alphas. If you are a real alpha male, what use do you have going on the most hated side on the internet to help a bunch of omegas? Sure, there are great people out there who do, but TRP does not generally attract h…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 03:47 PM
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My point has nothing to do with actual law. You start out your reply by implying entitlement is negative, and I imagine you meant to imply that any feeling of being owed, or ought to inherently have something is negative, then you transition into social politics in which people are granted rights and privileges, which are not real things, and are abstract concepts people are given freely by the state. Your argument is incoherent. You either have to demonstrate how social entitlements like rights…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 03:37 PM
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I will admit, you make a good point.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 03:33 PM
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The adult always has power, because of their age and experience in comparison to the child. Age doesn't mean anything. Experience doesn't mean anything. Power is about who has more to lose. A child loses nothing. An adult loses everything. Like I said, the youth doesn't have to know they have any power at all for them to have the actual power. Wat. This is delusional, the child getting raped has no power in this situation. They may have the ability to get the perpetrator in legal trouble, but th…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 06:05 AM
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lol, no problem. I've always thought you had your head on straight, with interesting, well expressed opinions, and presented yourself humbly (which is actually a rare quality...). We rarely cross paths, but when we do, I generally enjoy reading you. (which sounds weird if you remove the idea that we're floating idea bubbles that manifest themselves via text on a forum to each other, ha)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 04:42 AM
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Regardless, children do not have the ability to consent. However, two minors having sex with each other would not be rape. How do you figure this? By your qualifications for rape, they should both now be raping each other. What really makes a relationship between an adult and a minor wrong is the power imbalance. The teens having sex are both on the same level developmentally, so no one is being taken advantage of. In order to suggest a power imbalance is what's really immoral, you'd have to dem…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 04:22 AM
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Lol, if you're as attractive as you proport (taking into consideration every woman on the internet thinks she's a 9) 20 lbs probably wouldn't hurt you much, to be honest. It depends on what you want I guess. Emotional connections do/can matter quite a bit, but if you want the kind of guy that has the option to, and would leave you for someone hotter if you falter for a moment, then yes, that could be rough for a woman. Like I say, just because I want to rail a pornstar doesn't mean I'd wanna bri…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 04:13 AM
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Uhhhh...That's the definition of rape. Feminist != incorrect. On paper, maybe, but "on paper" is meaningless. In order to assert that a lack of consent automatically equals rape, you'd have to both ignore implied consent, social intelligence/body language which is the original reason why this feminist argument fails even on adults. By your definition, both two people who have sex willingly without saying anything to each other are now committing rape, and a person under the age of consent (or 21…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 04:07 AM
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I think the word evil is a bit stronger than immoral. These people didn't choose to have inappropriate desires, but those desires are still fucked up and need to be discouraged. I don't think discouragement is necessary. I mean, these people are fully aware fucking kids is frown upon, and when discovered, there lives will over. Children cannot consent, period. The frontal lobe of the brain has not finished developing, children are easily manipulated and don't understand the implications of a sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 03:38 AM
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I think consistently hearing that from other men is slowly chipping away at the pain of it for me, because while Husband isn't the sort to lie to avoid hurting my feelings, there is still the sense that he has to say he would never consider leaving me for a nicer pair of tits. So thanks for the input. It is frustrating beyond words to have emotional reactions that you are well aware are stupid but just can't make them go away. Confirmation bias is killer in this regard. As soon as you see one gu…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 03:30 AM
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Also, do you think that any information (regardless of how true it is) that could cause people to become angry should be censored? If not (as I assume you will reply), why only TRP? No. I don't think TRP should be censored, at it's core. I do think rational TRP's need to do a better job of calling out irrational TRPs when they say something stupid, factually incorrect, or incongruent with reality/history though.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 03:22 AM
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Pedos are not necessarily evil people You said they were evil in a reply to someone else. Are you changing your position? but they're disgusting and shouldn't be encouraged. Everyone knows the age of consent is arbitrary, but it needs to be there so creeps don't take advantage of children. Wanting to fuck a kid is horrible and immoral You contradicted yourself. Wanting to fuck a kid also has nothing to do with morality. Attraction isn't a choice. I think you are horrible and immoral 90% of the t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 03:13 AM
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I find it so fascinating that just as so many TRP men are conditioned in life to believe women are something they're not, so are women. I think it's hard for women who are conditioned to put pretty much all their coins in the "looks" basket to understand that just because I wanna rail Madison Ivy like a freight train, doesn't mean I'd think she was either a good, or respectable person. I've met 6's and 7's I thought were worth a lot more than the 8's and 9's.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 03:08 AM
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Can't read too much into it cuz no link... but uhh... yeah, sounds like you should've held frame. frame as in "way of looking at situation". Compliments do not cancel out what's said when there's sincere subtext present from earlier statements. she shit-tested you and you failed. compliments sometimes work if you're a good actor(or literally an actor), but not for most guys. Think of "holding frame" through this example... awkwardness only exists if you acknowledge it. If you refuse to acknowled…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 02:49 AM
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Hey, ill PM you shortly. Wanna talk to you about somethings.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 02:11 AM
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I know. Lawl.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 12:14 AM
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So, for your argument to make sense, we have to assume someone finding TRP will not consider the information there-in cause to dislike women indefinitely? That's a bad assumption IMO...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/15 11:50 PM
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Now that you mention it, I kinda like being considered "inherently dangerous" :)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/15 11:01 PM
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I hate that my Husband watches porn Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/15 11:00 PM
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One, pedophilia is a psychlogical condition. Just because someone is sexually attracted to children doesn't make them a bad person. Two, he literally just finished saying studies show simulated underage porn assists pedophiles control their urges. Three, the legal age of consent and sexual attraction have nothing to do with each other. Your body wants to reproduce at, like, 13+. The idea that people should wait till they're 18+ only came around because we live till, like, 90 now. Four, wanting t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/15 10:58 PM
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Reading through your comment history offers only more questions and no answers.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/15 10:51 PM
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This sounds like something that makes sense, but is only relevant to a small number of cases and not the endorsed community mentality. You can't honestly believe that anger is all you get from RP and that's that. For many people, anger is absolutely all you get. Do you really think every omega and low beta male that joins TRP becomes the alpha slaying poon? It's deterministic; not many people voluntarily choose to suck at life. If people could be alphas, they probably would be. Look, that's fair…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/15 09:04 PM
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You said it brother.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/15 08:53 PM
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And umm... word to the wise, (and don't take it badly even though its coming from a stranger who barely knows you, and I know I'm making assumptions... but you do it a loooot)... as a fellow person who dislikes communicating with the disingenuous -or generally just people who fail to make me want to-, this behaviour is a very poor choice in practice. It gives the other the upper hand to onlookers(which matters to them, if not you. it creates self-righteousness), and also fosters a bit of ill-wil…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/15 08:51 PM
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You have an interesting point, but I think you overestimate people's self-awareness and ability to determine other's means, goals, and drives.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/15 06:37 PM
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Don't judge him. You don't know him. I'm sure he's a great guy when you get to know him. Ok, I keed. I keed. You could still join the purple team, lol. Bring some purple back with you to AskMen. They seem to need it badly.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/15 06:19 PM
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He's a smart guy. He's usually blue as blue gets, but he's a smart guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/15 06:18 PM
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He's more or less making a purple'ish blue adaptation of the "niceness coin" feminist attack on Nice Guystm. I think while his conclusion has some merit (I don't agree with it entirely, but it has some merit) his premise is totally off. Nice Guy's aren't entitled at all. They are a group of people who trusted the logical source of information on women (women) to provide them accurate information in regards to how to be sexually successful, and become increasingly disgruntled at the lack congruen…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/15 06:17 PM
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I've known her for a long time. She used to be blue as fuck. Now, she seems a lot more purple in blue clothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/15 06:04 PM
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I accept your apology.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/15 06:26 AM
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Red pillers say they are open to the truth, but they aren't Agreed. I have to temper what I say to get them to consider it. I've dialled back on expressing my views so they don't cry. No, you haven't because you don't care if they "cry" or not. They're names on a screen. It probably has more to do with you disliking being challenged back. The more you assert your worldview, the more other people will scrutinize it even more harshly, and your world view, at least traditionally, has been just as u…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/15 03:14 AM
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What a set of convenience based concepts conglomerated into three sentences.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/15 03:10 AM
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So, if someone decides there is nothing that would make them less angry, and find no reason to not hate women, explain how this is a phase, if your definition of a phase is "a brief period of being angry that you later discovered were not things you should be angry over".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/15 02:06 AM
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I don't think you could me more wrong. /u/hyperrreal, Y U DO DIS?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/15 02:00 AM
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Why /u/TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK, have you gone PurplePill on me!?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/15 01:57 AM
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I kind of want to save this. Very well said.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/15 01:52 AM
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Hey dude, not sure if this has been pointed out, but saying that men are more willing to do work etc then woman to raise their SMV than men really hurts your argument. Almost all attractive girls I know do put considerable effort into it. If she can buy it off the shelf, or attain it by simply not eating like a cow, it's not effort. That being said, thanks for agreeing. It is annoying when women do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/15 01:50 AM
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However, I now only feel a little bad for women. Their life is front-loaded - their best assets are their youth and beauty, and over time they'll lose both. However, I will grow in terms of attractiveness until I hit about 35-40, and if I'm successful in life I could be pulling women around half my age in my 50's. Most importantly, I am aware of the timeframe I have for utilising my assets, which most women aren't. Extremely idealistic. As for the anger, I'm not saying the anger doesn't exist, I…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/15 01:47 AM
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You'd be surprised. The person giving the least shits often holds the most power over others.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/15 01:38 AM
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How can you rationalize this statement on one hand, and then say the Anger stage doesn't exist? Because calling it a "phase" is pretentious as it insinuates their feelings aren't "real", or not to be taken seriously, as if it were a teenager acting obnoxiously. It's not. It's a basic, and typical reaction to the types of information the RedPill conveys. It's not a "phase" that will pass, it's a consequential mindset. Guys that RedPill deem "have gotten over the anger phase" have simply transitio…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/15 01:37 AM
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Late to this debate, but those acts are demonstrations of exceptional selflessness. Most people would not jump on a grenade for another person, nor donate their kidney to an acquaintance. People's default is to do whatever is best for them, especially socially, and especially the younger generations.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/15 01:25 AM
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Sorry for late reply, I've been dealing with personal things, but I wanted to let you know this was a fantastic reply to my post. I do agree that entitled is basically shaming language. My personal stance is that anything someone on one hand acknowledges must be earned, cannot on the other hand be entitled. Much in the same way entitlements are given with positions at a workplace or an increase in social status (knighthood), entitlement, as far as I'm concerned, is something someone is felt inhe…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/15 01:20 AM
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pandararosie basically hit the nail on the head, though. Entitlement has nothing to do with whether or not you put effort into something -- it's about the feeling of being owed something for the effort (or lack thereof) you did put in. And it's not a shaming tactic. As an American citizen, I feel entitled to certain privileges, such as having certain kinds of speech protected under the first amendment. You don't see how those two paragraphs are not only slippery slope arguments, but contradict e…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/15 01:03 AM
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Empathy isn't required to be a social leader. Conviction in your beliefs, or ideals, even when they're ludicrous, and feigning rapport is enough to make people view you as a social champion usually. People will forgive any behavior if they think your conviction, and rapport haven't changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/15 12:58 AM
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Fair enough. I would still disagree you haven't shifted though.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/15 12:54 AM
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I think you're misinterpreting men's intentions. Just about everyone wants sex, at least while you're young and in your twenties. I called you out for being entitled because you shamed the guy you went on a date with for not committing to you. I was really not paying any attention to the article, only your words.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/15 12:51 AM
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"We are our own worst judges"
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/15 12:31 AM
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How is that insulting? I've known you for a long time; since you used to post on /r/AskMen regularly. You used to be blue-dog blooper. You've absolutely shifted red; we're talking in another thread where you're calling a guy beta. I am more purple though (obviously)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/15 10:04 PM
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I can't answer your question because I have no actual idea what you're talking about. TV is a major indoctrination machine, I agree...but below TV? What? You have two types of media...hot people dating hit people, and nice guys dating hot people. Look at Big Bang Theory. Look at Two and a Half Men..its a show about a guy living the male ideal being a loser and having a shitty life. Same with Mad Men. I could go on.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/15 08:26 PM
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When you read a book do you mentally designate where every character is on the heirachy? Are books with human characters even interesting to you, Since you don't believe that the human personality is a particularly interesting thing? I never said humans aren't interesting, I said they're simple. Ants are endlessly fascinating. They're also simple minded creatures. Now the joke there, if you need me to explain why most people will find it comical when you show it to them, isn't just the fact that…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/15 08:05 PM
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K.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/15 07:50 PM
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I think I already told you. I came to realize that TRP, at least many of the TRPs on this board are broken, sociopaths who use TRP as a catch-all lenses for interpreting the world. It's become a convenient excuse to shit on poor people, fat people, ugly people, and anyone else whom shitting on could validate people who do not fall in the same group. It's a way for shitty people to feel like they're not shitty people by shitting on people they think are shittier than them. Back when I originally …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/15 07:46 PM
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You've made he same fallacy I called you out for before.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/15 07:39 PM
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This doesn't make any sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/15 07:38 PM
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Probably because you're a woman and have a preconceived notion of what a confident, attractive man is. This means nothing to men. It would be like me telling you "smell like a woman". You're a woman...you can't truly know how a man interprets your female scents, or your pheromones.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/15 08:21 AM
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I don't think anyone would be particularly interested in an entire post about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/15 05:07 AM
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Did you change to purple? Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/15 04:14 AM
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The largest issue with BluePill reasoning is the belief that what people say has any correlation to how they actually behave, or use as triggers. think, feel, or seek validation. The largest issue with RedPill is the tendency to use RP theory as a catch-all explaination for everything from Kennedy's murder to the eventual enslavement of whoeverthehell....it's a fantastic excuse for people to turn off their critical thinking skills and jump off the loony bin deep end.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 08:44 PM
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That is not a "goalpost" fallacy. He did not even set a goalpost. You proactively gave him an answer, he said he felt the answer was nebulous. That's fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 08:30 PM
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I have rarely if ever seen reasonable redpills move goalposts. I've seen more BluePills do that on this forum than reds.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 08:28 PM
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Unfortunately, I don't think most people would agree this is rational, as demonstrated by the comments to my post.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 08:20 PM
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Because you're doing that thing women do where you play around with language and ignore the obvious implications it has. If you say "mature" as in "the state of being older and the thought processes that come with it", oookk....maaaaaaaaaaaaybe I can give that to you, but 99.99999999% of people use "mature" to mean intellectually suprior and more developed. You saying guys who are mature don't want to tame strange is both condescending, incorrect and pretentious. That's equivalent to me saying "…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 08:17 PM
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I looked through your comment history. You're kind of a nutjob. You can continue believing whatever is convenient for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 08:15 PM
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That's not what you said. It sounds more like you only decided they were "unsuited" for you after they voluntarily peaced out on you, and after you were displeased they didn't offer commitment. Your quote quite literally is talking about how the guy was being an entitled ass by deciding he didnt' want to commit to you and instead tame strange.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 08:12 PM
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It quite literally does not. I demonstrated this in my OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 08:05 PM
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I would disagree that that's mainstream dating advice. Maybe very recently was it common to find that around someplace like Reddit, where you can get better advice via the subreddits you subscribe too, but for almost all of my life, the only advice was "be confident, be yourself, nice guys finish first. You're 500lbs and no job? No problem. Be confident, be yourself, nice guys finish first". It wasn't so much that these guys put no effort in, maybe they didn't, but they were explicitly told much…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 07:17 PM
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There's a difference between logically recognizing effort doesn't 100% guarantee results, and recognizing that it's fucking lame it's not and being angry about it. If I put a lot of effort into baking delicious pies, and it was my passion, and I did everything people who eat pies tell me to do to make it taste good, I'm going to be furious it still tastes bad. Notice how I said "people who eat pies" and not "cooks"'; one of the issues is that men get their advice from women when they should be g…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 06:28 PM
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I'm saying people like you seem hyper resistent to the notion that people follow general trends and are not particularly complicated or special snowflakes. You're essentially making special pleading arguments for every Tom, Dick and Harry who may fall somewhat outside the scope of Alpha/Beta/Omega qualifications, and I admit, I have met people who I legimitately can say were neither of these, but those people are so few and far between, I cannot remember who they were or why I thought they were …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 06:10 AM
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You basically argued that my point is wrong because it is wrong because the logic of my point is wrong, because the point proves itself wrong...which is a very convenient catch22 for you, but sadly you're not correct. You're making the classic mistake of those who want to deem everyone other than themselves "entitled" by mistaking reasonable expectations for "entitlement". If you put the work into being a desirable man, or at least, what women, or society is telling you is a desirable man, and t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 05:57 AM
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Yes, entitled IS the right word to describe men who are bitter and angry toward women when they can't get sex from them. No, it is not. Entitlement is not the same thing as feeling rightfully owed something. The nice guy who's cool, and has done his best to follow mainstream female dating advice have every right to be displeased at his expectations not being met by women who chose one night stands with the jerk jock instead of an LTR with him. That does not mean he believes he is entitled. Those…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 05:52 AM
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If you're taking something where a 2 point difference can change the entire outcome of a conclusion, it matters a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 12:10 AM
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Ok, yes, I'll concede to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 12:05 AM
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I....what?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 11:05 PM
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How do you know you or your friends aren't sluts?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 08:15 AM
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I find it hard to believe the type of man you're describing fails so acutely. Usually the type of macho guy with as alpha a career/hobby as MMA fighting are empty/broken on the inside but extremely high value on the outside and do accrue a lot of value in both social status, women, and sex, but simply don't appreciate it, or want it in the form they receive it. In your honest opinion, how much of what you're writing is objectively obvious and true, and how much is subjective interpretation of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 08:13 AM
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And im saying the cause of this is what I stated. Which is wrong. Unless you can provide a coherent argument, or source as to how attracting and bedding women is hard for men and attractive and bedding women is easy for women is because men don't satisfy women sexually and women don't satisfy men sexually (which doesn't make sense because you don't know how you satisfy anyone until you're actually fucking) you're point is nonsense. You've essentially stated an argument that flies in direct contr…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 02:57 AM
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Unless you've decided to be uncharacteristically helpful, you've linked me to the definition of "entitlement" in which it verifies my point and the point of this post. Thank you...?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 02:50 AM
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Yup. In fact, I wrote a post about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 01:21 AM
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No, it literally is not and I wrote a page long post literally detailing why this is not the case. Did you even read the post? If you believe you EARNED the result by virtue of an expenditure of effort, you are not, by definition, entitled. That's bad expectations. If you enter a situation feeling owed a result by virtue of your inherent state of being (male, female, hot, cool, popular, rich), that is entitlement.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 12:55 AM
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That's a false equivalency.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 12:53 AM
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Actually, if you want to get technical "entitled" and "entitlement" as adjectives don't even exist. They're colloquialisms, from "an entitlement" which is a noun describing a privilege given on behalf of a position or state of being, so using "entitled" or "entitlement" to describe guys wanting something they also believe they have to earn, or at the very least isn't an inherent privilege of being male is actually double wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 12:51 AM
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So an overweight, balding guy with no job has no issue sating his desire to tame random strange? Riiight.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 12:21 AM
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That would be what the word means, so yeah. Wrong, as usual. Aren't you supposed to be RedPill trolling?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/15 08:57 PM
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Such as the fact that it's part of a wider paradigm of "sexual strategy" that encapsulates all the stuff talked about here. Alpha fucks beta bucks ect Such as...? This comes close to demonstrating my point...I have no idea what gender you are, but in my experience, this is a very female thought process and/or strategy. You seem to want to water down notions of what is and is not attractive or sexually successful, and then propose wildly inaccurate statements about what you do actually find attra…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/15 08:50 PM
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I'm sorry but this is just wrong. You are trying to vilify RP to suit your agenda, nothing more. If anything this puts you in the Denial stage. You're not rude enough to identify as a Blue Piller, but the anger stage for you is inevitably on its way. Accusing people of internal agenda plotting makes you look silly unless you actually know the person/poster. I'm not "vilifying" anyone. I 100% agree with "anger phase" guys. Women suck pretty badly and they have every reason to hate them. I found T…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/15 08:38 PM
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Again...saying "it's obvious" doesn't matter if you're wrong. The double standard is about sex being difficult to procure for men, therefore men who can get a lot of it are "studs" and sex being easy to procure, therefore women who self-indulge and cannot regulate are "sluts".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/15 08:31 PM
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Self reported studies are garbage: http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/sexsurv.htm
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/15 08:29 PM
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I guess I'll break the comment string of valueless BluePill shit slinging, and post an actual response. Someone's ideological persona is not their day to day embodiment of a complete person. You are nothing more than a collection of ideas on this boardroom, and if other people's "idea-cloud-posty-thingy" don't like your "idea-cloud-posty-thingy", you're gonna have a bad time. I have been IRC'ing off Reddit for quite some time, and have regularly had the experience of someone knowing my Reddit ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/15 08:11 PM
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Assuming you're asking from the position of me being "friend", I'd cut ties with both this girl who's proven herself untrustworthy and hypergamous and Alfie, who's proven himself incapable of prioritizing loyalty and friendship over taming strange. Assuming you're asking from the position of "Alfie", I wouldn't do that in the first place, but hypothetically let's say I did...I would tell my friend and accept the consequences because that's the standard I'd hope I held myself too.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/15 07:58 PM
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This, nor the stuff about having sex being harder for men, justifies treating women who have a lot of sex like trash, while treating men who have a lot of sex like they're awesome. Ummm...yea it does. :/
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/15 06:43 PM
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I don't think you know what you're talking about. The double standard has nothing to do with how one sex sexually pleases the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/15 06:42 PM
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Interesting that you've equated "a lack of desire for casual sex" with "maturity". PS. You've done it. You've pushed me over the deep end. I'm going to write a short post about the proper use of the word "entitlement".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/15 06:36 PM
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You do realize that there are studies verifying that survey based studies are pretty much garbage scientifically right? Also written by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/15 06:24 PM
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Those into and those capable are two different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/15 06:22 PM
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Was this a copy paste or a paraphrase, because the amount of grammatical errors in it is tempting me to not take it seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/15 06:21 PM
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Being...?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/15 06:18 PM
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This argument of "you accept that confident and successful men exist, therefore, alpha males" reminds me of the feminist argument "you accept that women are people, therefore, you're a feminist". Theres a lot more to buying the concept you're pushing than just accepting that trivial truth. Such as...?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/15 05:20 PM
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Men really need to take back the term "neckbeard"...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/15 03:03 PM
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The anger phase doesn't exist. TRP'ers get angry because TRP inpsires anger. The only people who don't get angry, or who get over being angry are people who become successful or didn't need TRP in the first place. That's not a phase; it's just basic intellectual dispositions.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/15 03:01 PM
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If a guy is generally alpha, he's going to be alpha in most scenarios. I can't, off the top of my head, think of a scenario where a non-contextual alpha male won't still be an alpha male. It gets muddy because TRP'ers don't use "alpha" the same way they used to use it back when I was a TRP'er. Now it tends to just mean "guy with most value, at this time, in this place" like someone who's revered for being in a band, and gets all the attention at bars may actually have shitty social skills and lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/15 03:00 PM
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Interesting that you seem to be using PUA as a baseline. Most men are not PUA. Most TRP'ers aren't even PUAs. If they go out, they should change their routines a little bit if they have been unsuccessful in the past. This is nebulous/unuseful advice. Can you elaborate on how they should be changing their "going out" to accommodate for a lack of success?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/15 02:48 PM
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Not really. If you're high SMV, people will quickly forgive your social shortcomings anyway, and hygiene and dress takes like 2 days to learn.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/15 12:12 AM
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By "hauled in" do you mean "a message gets sent to my inbox and I voluntarily click on it"...?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/15 11:01 PM
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By women's own admission, most context is irrelevent. If you're socially alpha, and good looking, you'll succeed. If you're socially beta, and bad looking, you'll fail. If you're socially good looking, and beta, you'll do worse, but still ok. If you're socially alpha, and bad looking, you'll do even worse, but better than someone who's socially beta and bad looking. It's pretty linear, verifiable logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/15 10:11 PM
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Do you know want to know when people are discussing you? That shouldn't be the case anyways; You don't have Reddit gold.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/15 09:53 PM
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If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, how do ducks not exist? If you believe in alpha traits, and beta traits, how is someone with predominantly more alpha traits not an "alpha male" and vice versa?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/15 09:51 PM
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You've contradicted yourself and literally proved yourself wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/15 09:19 PM
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There is no reason for low SMV males to do anything social until they are no longer low SMV males.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/15 09:16 PM
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That is not an apt comparison. You're derailing. I'm talking about men who blog on the manosphere who in one article pick apart women's appearance and in the next complain about having to groom themselves. This is absolutely a thing, and I have an acquaintance who I mentioned above who also fits the bill. Ok, but you're referencing A) a guy who we have to assume lives the lifestyle, and B) blogs to a particular audience. Guys with low SMV aren't logging onto Reddit and shitting on attractive wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/15 09:09 PM
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Here's the thing. What's provocation? The the prevalence of spousal abuse can be affected by culture. Beating your wife used to be very commonplace because it was socially accepted. In other cultures where women have fewer rights they can be beaten or killed for, what I would consider, very minor issues. But were women really more abrasive then or in those cultures? Or was it just that it didn't take much to provoke your husband? Getting into less developed societies, cultures or points in histo…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/15 09:00 PM
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It means that in the relatively small pool of men having sex with women, the "chosen" men are doing it 10 times more often. For example if 8 out of 10 women are having sex, and they are doing it with 2 out off 10 men, then each of those 2 men is having way more sex than each of the 8 women. Correct. 4 times more to be exact. Hence you've proven my original claim for me - women don't want nor have sex as much as the men. Not correct. You've made like three different non-sequiturs in one claim. Fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/15 08:47 PM
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There's no real arguing that popular media popularized the idea that hot girls go for dopes if you're cool enough. There ate literally an entire genre of romance movies for it. It happens in TV more than enough, and when it doesn't, everyone is hot and when they talk about attraction, the hotness is not mentioned. You also have an army of nice guys being the emotional tampon and crying shoulder for girls QQ'ing over the apple they're fucking. It only make sense that being nice than him should yi…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/15 05:53 AM
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Um, no, I have no desire to shit on unattractive people. But when I know a guy who is overweight, wears the same shirt for multiple days, doesn't shower more than a few times a month, only ever eats fast food, constantly complains about not having a girlfriend but swears to me that he wouldn't date Jennifer Lawrence because she has "a fat face", I've gotta laugh. " I love apple pie, but apple pie is fucking disgusting" Are you telling me that unattractive guys who live on the internet don't hars…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/15 04:01 AM
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You insisted low SMV guys are the guys shitting on women. That's a poorly formulated and heavily misguided insight in my opinion. Seems more like you wanted to shit on them than propose a real value based piece of knowledge.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 11:02 PM
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The concept is retarded. People who are in TRP and are angry because TRP inspires anger towards women, regardless of whether it's rightful or misguided. It has nothing to do with phases. The guys who go into TRP, get mad, and get over it are the guys that actually achieve a large degree of self improvement and women's nature now works in their favor, not against them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 11:00 PM
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There is no such thing as an anger phase.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 10:28 PM
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No. They aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 10:28 PM
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> Or they're upset that they have to actually work on their presence and how they present. Because that's hard and annoying and when you grow out of being a horny as fuck teenager, you tend to realize most women aren't worth that much effort. I don't really get this new position a lot of the women have taken both here and in the IRC. Women can buy beauty off a shelf. Men have to actually work. I don't think women are in any position to be criticizing men for their lack of achievement in this fie…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 10:25 PM
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There's not much to say about this, especially after a 208 post thread. Nice guys finish last. Women want looks as much or more than men do. Being nice won't save an otherwise unattractive guy. The only sort of controversial positions on this topic are that attractive guys do usually have sucky personalities and am the guys I've known who where really good with women generally treated women pretty badly. The reason this is such an issue in the manosphere and popular culture is because it's count…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 10:22 PM
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Lol. I said I have casual sex on occasion. Sloot. I guess all those dicks have really scrambled my brains. Look, I posted a serious response. But I just can't take you guys seriously for long because your value system and and how intelligent or seriously you take someone is way too based on their sex life. And that's just too funny to take you seriously back. Hell. Sometimes I play up my promiscuity because it's funny to see how quick a conversation can go from decently rational to screw ball in…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 08:40 PM
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I think you're trying to be more clever than the situation requires.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 07:50 PM
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In the most strict sense, it is subjective, but so many people agree on it, it's pretty much objective.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 07:36 PM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 03:20 AM
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You firstly make the mistake of thinking sex with their desired type of man is hard to get. It's not. They also fuck those men whom they do want a lot. The amount of sex women are having with the top 20'ish% of men that are very desirable, and maybe the other 15% of men that are attractive, but not HOT, vastly outpaces the amount of men are actaully having sex with these women. It's literally just match. If every 1 guy is going around fucking 10 women during his late teens to 30's, women are hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 03:19 AM
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An attractive woman will usually stay attractive for a long time. The wall doesn't exist. An unattractive man will usually stay unattractive. Same for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 03:13 AM
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In this case, a woman's SMV depreciates quickly as she ages while a man still has room to grow his SMV into his 40s. Do you believe this is true? No. In your opinion, what determines a woman's SMV? Her appearance. Is a person's SMV subjective? Not usually.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 02:47 AM
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Close to perfect is pretty much perfect.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 02:45 AM
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I think with whom you're willing to have sex with and with is mutually exclusive with how much you want sex. Those are not the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 02:00 AM
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Good because I have no desire to have you validate yourself to me in the first place, though I'd suggest if you go around telling people you meet all over the internet that, unprovoked, you should probably see someone about it. I find it telling that after coming to an agreement, you've decided to create something else to be animositous over. That being said, I find it MINDBLOWINGLY ironic that after I spent my boring workshift debating this point and you literally prove it better than I ever co…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 01:45 AM
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That was never stated by me, so I'm glad we're on the same page.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 01:35 AM
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As I just explained to another responder, my post had nothing to do with validating his abuse. The example was purely to demonstrate that the consequences of your active decisions are your brought about by oneself and oneself is responsible for the thoughts and feelings that come out of their mouth. His was a retort to /u/MissPearl's position which alluded to the concept many women seem to subscribe to that they can do or say what they want and it's up to other people to accommodate for them ins…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 10:14 PM
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You took my example too literally. I was demonstrating that you have to take responsibility for the thoughts and feelings that come out of your mouth. When people respond badly, you can't claim to have no responsibility over hurtful things you say, especially when you know the things you're saying are inflammatory. If that's what you were attempting to say we agree. I was not using it to support violence being OK.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 10:04 PM
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This is pretty much exactly the what should be done, and exactly how I attempted to handle my own personal issue. Women seem to have a great deal of difficulty understanding this concept.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 09:58 PM
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Yea sure, but "physical abuse" can be like "he threw water on me in a menacing fashion". The same way every woman on reddit's a 9/10 and has been raped multiple times, peoples interpretations of these kinds if things can't always be trusted. I don't see what shed get out of lying and blaming it on TRP. A woman can get validation like that for just about anything she wants. Using TRP is not necessary.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 09:52 PM
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I don't agree. They wouldn't hold out for the best because they can't get the best. The alpha gets the best. If you're not them, you can literally hold out from the day you're born to the day you die and you'll be at the mercy of whatever women are "sex positive" enough to approach you. But then no one would be having sex and we would all die out. Nah, it wouldn't effect anything I don't think.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 09:50 PM
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Your reply is essentially mainstream shaming language. This is a debate sub. Why are you here if you have no desire to accommodate for other's viewpoints?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 09:47 PM
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I can't even reply to this because none of it had anything to do with the words I typed. You basically took the easiest possible avenue to twist what I was saying around so you could blame me as a man for disagreeing with a woman and simultaneously disregard my actual moral stance with a shaming tactic in response to an opinion I don't hold. If you'd like to reread my opinion and my new response to /u/MissPearl, we can have a conversation, otherwise, your comment is valueless.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 08:24 PM
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You're dodging the point. Point being, taking responsibility for the words that come out of your mouth and the actions against or towards other people is just as much a part of being a well balanced adult as recognizing abusing people is not an appropriate response when someone else doesn't perform the former. You're not innocent because someone did something worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 08:17 PM
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She's autistic, and fully admits she cannot sort her emotions. There's no reason to believe she didnt view him abusing her as something that's been happening for a while and less important than him shifting his personality. She also never stated how she was being abused. Abused is a giant, nebulous word. Me doxxing your email and signing you up for Scientology flyers is abuse. Anything can be abuse. I think you've been hanging around extremist RedPills too long Missy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 08:13 PM
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You're conflated several different concepts to come to this conclusion. So, firstly, I'd say that unattractive men are thirsty. Unattractive men get absolutely 0 attention from the opposite sex. No hugs, no holding hands, no kissing, no gonewild to whore validation, no PM's from weirdos asking if they can pee in their butts, nothing. Anyone in this position would be mighty thirsty. Women don't get this thirsty because 80%+ of the female population is acceptable enough to warrant this kind of att…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 08:04 PM
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Every now and then, you come across a post on reddit that whilst uses reasonable logic to put forth an opinion, is somehow inherently such a viscerally disturbing opinion, it makes you cringe reading it and you can't pinpoint why. This usually happens on nsfw sub's and it makes you wonder what is messed up about the author of the comment who probably wouldn't see the same thing if they reread it 100 times. Yours is one of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 07:32 PM
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But, as a whole they're usually pretty pathetic, and being approached by them for sex is both annoying and insulting. XD!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 07:22 PM
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Women want sex as much as men. They just aren't willing to settle for less than perfect sexual partners. Men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 07:20 PM
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I actually went through almost 10% of my battery life reading through the entire 564 comments in the comment section plus her OP, and while I believe the story is perfectly plausible, there's nothing really here to discuss. She says he emotionally and physically abuses her but never specifies how. She says he cheated in her, but then says he didn't, he just lied to impress his friend. And, she says he was a good guy before being poisoned by redpill. OK? She is also autistic, moved to a foreign c…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 07:19 PM
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There is no such thing as an anger phase.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 07:10 PM
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Why are you on PPD...?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 07:09 PM
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Why would you not believe it's real? Her interpretation of what happened or her boyfriend's thought process is probably inaccurate, but the story seems completely plausible.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 07:09 PM
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This seems to be a popular new belief with women. I also recently has issues with a woman I cared about who felt other people's reactions to her thoughts, feelings, or actions were not her responsibility. Sorry, but that's not how life works. If you did/do something that causes someone to hit or somehow abuse you, whilst I agree abusing you is likely not an appropriate response. You don't get to withdraw responsibility for your own actions and behavior that may have led there. If go call a drunk…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 07:06 PM
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Where did I say it did? If gender differences on which discrimination is based are social constructs then the feminist movement is justified I'm talking about those socially constructed gender differences which DO result in discrimination. List a socially constructed gender difference that works to women's detriment to the degree of requiring a misandrist movement to correct please.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 12:13 AM
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Power overwhelming.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/15 08:03 PM
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The existence of socially imposed gender differences doesn't necessitate discrimination and therefore don't have to be removed to correct the issue (playing devil's advocate that it IS an issue, which I don't agree with)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 08:54 PM
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I'm not gonna bother with you. You have clearly more than already made up your mind, so it's very rude that you'd pretend you're even slightly interested in a discussion. This was the weakest projection and defence mechanism I've ever seen on Reddit in my two and a half year career of being a Redditor. "It's S00o0o rude for you to have an opinion I don't like, GAWD! The nerve of some people!"...ok dude? Not to mention your flair is a blatant lie- you've clearly bought all the TRP dogma. We're ta…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 05:54 AM
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Wha-a-t! We're not talking about porno actresses. We're talking about either a private film/photos or film/photos taken without a woman's consent or knowledge. A porn actress consents. Your wife or girlfriend did not. [Rolls eyes] No one is happy seeing someone they care about remove their clothing and copulate with another person on film whom they are not a sexual relationship with in which this behavior is sanctioned. Can't be assed going to look. I know I'll just find more of the same. K.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 05:49 AM
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http://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/2tji9o/why_feminism_needs_an_enemy/co0pppl If it was your mother, sister, girlfriend or wife, would you also be happy with everyone treating their revenge-porn videos/images as entertainment? Red Herring. No one would be particularly happy if their spouse, or family member was a porno actress of any kind. Revenge porn can ruin a woman's reputation, job and emotional health. Would it be okay if a woman did something like that to a man? Would he de…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 12:07 AM
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What the fuck dude.... no, revenge porn is not acceptable, because it completely lacks consent. Most people watch porn where everyone is consenting. It's not about "acceptable". Of course it's not acceptable. Hitting people isn't acceptable either but if you walk up to someone and lay down a haymaker, he's probably going to hit you back... Secondly, you say that if a girl get revenge-porned, that its likely her fault. Are you fucking insane???? How can you say shit that that and then be surprise…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 12:00 AM
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Haha, you said trousers. I don't think he was trying to get into your trousers at all...at least, not the way you wrote it. I would find it odd that you'd write a blog entry and not at least somewhat bias the writting style to favour yourself morally, so I have to imagine that while I wasn't there, and am not you, that you misjudged his intent. Even when he apologized you seemed to throw his apology back in his face. Naughty. In any case, I did read your blog posts. Perhaps not the ones you foun…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/15 07:41 PM
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I don't really read it attentively. I skimmed through it, and read a few select stories, like the time some guy asked you for help getting into the BDSM scene (or something) and you went ballistic on him and somehow felt publicly shaming him was deserved for some reason. Then I read another piece talking about how some male subs aren't good enough subs for you, or something...or how you judge the worthiness of subs, which I found ironically objectifying. I didn't read much of the literotica. Mos…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/15 07:22 PM
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It will not change the SMP at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/15 06:57 PM
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The porn you share? No, I suppose I missed it. I saw a lot of pictures of you in catgirl orgies with your boyfriend off the side crying or something with a drippy penis (lol). Was that stuff it?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/15 06:54 PM
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No, it's more like saying a semi truck is only a "car" in the utmost lamens. A semi truck is most typically considered a "truck". Ie. a dom woman isn't "dom" because her sexual preferences are weak (as in, force of character) men. A dom would actually have to enjoy being the dom and partaking in dom responsibilities and desires. It sounds like there's a lot of potential for you to be happier in a more submissive role, but I'm not going to pretend I know you. You do seem like a hyper, almost obno…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/15 05:41 PM
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Like, a lobotomy? Sass'O'graph inconclusive....don't understand application of sass...context inconsistent...error 404. Leaving aside that we don't do cuckolding as a fetish... Define "true" dom for women Many people here have found and read your blog. You guys definitely seem to partake in sexual kinks that validate you more than him. It's not about true female doms...it seems to me like you're not particularly dom, you just happen to like or be attracted to significantly more submissive people…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/15 05:15 PM
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Lol, that was remarkably polite for a Montreal girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/15 04:45 PM
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So your point is that RPW is not universal, and that there are men who are exceptions to the rule? I mean I personally find the RP guys repulsive, but I assumed they don't give a fuck because who cares what some weirdo on the internet thinks, right? (And its probably mutual) Personally I don't even necessarily believe in the ideology of RPW. I find a lot of it creepy and unecessary. I understand people like /u/Homo_Homini_Lupus (or however her full name is spelt) are strong proponents of it and …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/15 04:11 PM
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1) People who watch revenge porn are basically just watching porn. I don't really see how it's any more morally reprehensible than watching actual porn. I imagine people are going to counter argue there's a lack of consent, but there's no consent in creepshots either and creepshots are pretty culturally pervasive as this point. Like half of NSFW fap imgurs are pictures of women likely taken without their direct consent (ie. they're not a model getting paid, and are unaware the picture was taken)…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/15 03:31 PM
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I don't think this will be as hard as people are assuming it will be. The natural challenge of this is going to be that your "gentleman" sounds like a super sub male. You have never sounded like a true dom female, just a chick dealing with a sub male who lets his woman wear the pants. I don't think this experiment will fail or succeed, I think you'll just get through it, find it unsatisfying because of the super sub nature of your guy, and declare the whole RPW thing a collection of people focus…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/15 03:09 PM
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MissPearl, your commitment to empiricism is simply awesome. My fedora is off to you. Riiiiight....[nods head slowly]
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/15 02:56 PM
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If you go to a bank for investment advice, and the bank gives you advice it knows is wrong, but benefit's itself, and you invest that money, lose everything, and that same bank repossess your house and you're forced into bankruptcy, why would understanding economics make you feel any better about bankers?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/15 02:42 PM
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Mostly because men having any standard by which to qualify women is seen as viscerally offensive. Women can qualify for pretty much anything and be venerated typically.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/15 02:40 PM
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You exist because two people fucked. Those people exist because two other people fucked. The entire point of being a living, sentient creature is to fuck. Every function in your body and component of it's physical shape is molded to give you the best chance at continuing to live and fuck more. Fucking is pretty important. If you can't fuck, or get a partner who wants to fuck you, that's a pretty serious issue. You have now failed at your primary purpose of being said self aware amazing, sentient…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/15 05:53 AM
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Because life is not amazing for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/15 04:08 AM
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Actually, I don't. [points to tag]
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/15 06:05 AM
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Using the TRP subreddit actual as a metric for just about anything is a fool's errand.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 11:41 PM
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You're making huge generalizations about a lot of different cultures, and the psyche's of people throughout so many ages that I can just as easily say "women were subjugated because women sucked", and it would be pretty much the same thing. I will agree that if you pedestalize someone you don't necessarily respect them as people, however, if you pedestalize someone, you are giving them more credence than you would and average. That's basic, irrefutable, dictionary logic. If you view someone as a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 11:40 PM
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Yea, I'm not saying it's a bad study. I've used this same study before in debates/arguments. I'm just calling a spade a spade and being intellectually honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 11:16 PM
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Because I've come to realize most people wearing the RedPill tag and most the RedPill community in general has gone so far into the right wing looney bin that my beliefs are no longer represented by TRP, when PurplePill exists, at least on this subreddit. I've also me someone who's caused me to question some of my previous beliefs and I'm now in a state of intellectual renaissance and I don't know how it'll go.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 11:15 PM
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This is going to be an amazing thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 09:15 PM
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That is the super super traditional definition of MGTOW that very few people who identify as MGTOW actually identify as... Don't get me wrong, I don't think marriage is a good deal at all for men. I most likely would never and don't currently want to get married, but thinking you can't safely marry and starting a community for that and that alone is dumb as shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 08:38 PM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 08:29 PM
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I don't see what TRP has to do with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 07:15 AM
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I'm going to hold off calling this a non-sequitur and ask you to explain how you came to this conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 06:23 AM
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This says nothing TRP didn't already propose. This says nothing basic gender anecdote didn't already propose. Anyone who previously disagreed with most of these was probably not using any semblance of critical thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 06:21 AM
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It's a cool study, of which I was already aware, however, in the interest of fairness, keep in mind it was performed by one psychology student, as a thesis. It's not a scientific study and I can only imagine it was not peer reviewed.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 06:16 AM
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Women and men perceived low BS men as being HS. And?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 06:15 AM
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You're saying women don't behave more sexually liberally because they're afraid of being slut-shamed. The men are the ones that "want" what these girls are "selling", they aren't the ones slut-shaming. Other women are. Male to female slut shaming doesn't exist. 90% of what people call "slut shaming" is "a man had a sexual preference that offended me" which is not slut shaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 06:10 AM
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If someone pedestalizes someone, that implies they are better than human. Perhaps infallible. Angels...beyond reproach. If someone objectifies someone, that implies they are any number of things beyond someone deserving of equal respect and worth. You could claim both...but that's like saying a fork is both a knife and a spoon...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 04:31 AM
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That's good for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 04:20 AM
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Ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 04:19 AM
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I don't agree, but I respect the manner you've expressed yourself. Not many people have good communication skills in this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 04:18 AM
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Lol, RedPill + Feminist?? How does that one work? That's new...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 04:15 AM
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Everything about this is wrong, unfortunately. If only it weren't so.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 04:10 AM
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First you say women are pedestalized by men, then you say women are objectified by men. You can't have both. Which is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 04:00 AM
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So being polite makes me a coward and mentioning a problem makes me a whiner Considering you partake in the same behavior you're whining about, yes, mentioning a problem only because it affects you negatively when you do the exact same thing makes you a whiner. And a hypocrite, but most of your personal philosophy doesn't seem to mind that. Their reasons for feeling jealous are valid, but the way they express their jealousy is irrational. Demonstrate this.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/15 11:06 PM
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People need to stop throwing around "straw-man" like magic words that automatically win an argument. Except that it's correct, and usually correct used on you as you pretty regularly perform the fallacy. If you find it tiresome, stop performing the fallacy. I never treat anyone with disrespect to their faces, and I've never received in person disrespect as a result That only makes you a lot worse. So now not only are you disprespectful, but a coward? Ok. It makes no different whether you do it t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/15 08:18 PM
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Irony.jpg.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/15 08:07 PM
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You used the attributes of a particular type of man. TRP asserts these attributes apply to almost most all women. It's like using a douchey jock to demonstrate naturally negative characteristics about dorky WoW players. Reasonable RP's accommodate for the fact that not all women are psycho branchswinging cheaters.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/15 08:05 PM
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Hey, I can't hate men if I want to have sex with them Wanting to have sex with someone doesn't mean you don't harbour ill-will or cantankerous thoughts towards the group they come from. I never beta shame, only omega shame :) Betas are most normal dudes, omegas are "nice guys", incels, and neckbeards who are pathetic enough to earn some scorn. Straw-man. You're trying to distract from my actual point but that's ok because it was a bad one. There's a lot more omegas than alphas. The more you trea…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/15 07:20 PM
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No one needs studies to know what is and is not attractive. The guy at my work who's banged like, 5 of the women here whilst all the other guys haven't gotten anything is attractive to all those women for reasons both men and women can agree on. Hell, science is so far behind basic anecdote on this topic,...if you want to go via science, all attraction is is symmetry in the face, and mathematical body ratios. These aren't old fashioned stereotypes...they are the basic building blocks of gender d…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/15 07:15 PM
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And you were wrong. Further conversation is not really worth my while.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/15 05:51 PM
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I...I don't...what are you even babbling about? This isn't even the same context...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/15 05:22 PM
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Science disagrees with pretty much all of this. Transexuality does not support a lack of distinction between men and women; it supports that some men want to be women and some women want to be men. Gender roles are also not learned. Gender roles can be reprogrammed; you can teach women to be warriors and men to be home-makers if you want to. That's not the same thing as saying gender roles are learned.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/15 03:42 PM
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I lolled.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/15 03:39 PM
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Or, it means a deal is occuring in which one side is getting a disproportionate offer, which is what "ripped off" means, whilst having nothing to do with entitlement. I really need to write a post about the proper use of the word "entitlement".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/15 03:38 PM
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Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/15 03:37 PM
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Done. There's a typo in the abortion question that could influence responses if the surveyee is retarded.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/15 03:32 PM
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You regularly post beta shaming comments and misandry and make your hatred for men pretty clear. Why would they not hate you or slut shame you back?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/15 05:51 AM
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I think, in a botched attempt to infiltrate a furry convention to find your perfect man-sub, Channing Tatum, you and your witty, yet lovably inept side-kick, played by Jim Parsons, were discovered, and shamed via the forced deletion of their Reddit accounts. We'll hope you get your come-up'ins in the sequel, against /u/misspearl your foil and rival domme.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/15 12:31 AM
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Affection and sexual contact with a woman of acceptable SMV, which, before you explode your top does not mean a 9...it means a woman who's not a 1, or 2. Anyone can get a 1 or 2 if they really wanted. The issue with MGTOW is it's a bunch of 4, 5, and 6's peacing out because female 4, 5, and 6's only want the 7, 8, and the 9's.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/15 12:21 AM
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...And then I'd suggest that's a perfectly valid reason to strongly dislike men, however, if that's her interpretation of men, she clearly hangs around a particular type of man as everything you listed is more closely attributed to jock-style alpha males, which probably has more to do with your personal bias as a woman, ignoring betas and only focusing on alphas, but I get your point. Kind of ironic though.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/15 12:15 AM
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Says objective reasoning, men, and women. It's easier to lose attraction to a man for being a weak, immasculine panzy, than it is to lose attraction for a woman for no longer being nice to look at and validating to talk to.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/15 12:11 AM
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I don't think that's a valid analogy. People hate white nationalists because racism rarely makes sense. It's pretty difficult to make a rational argument as to why hating chinese people is justified. It's really not that hard to make arguments as to why someone may hate women. You'd have to demonstrate how the typical reasons TRP aim their hate at women were arbitrary. I think the most basic reason, "women never liked me, and only want guys better, hotter, smarter, stronger, etc than me, so I do…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/15 09:17 PM
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Define how those reasons would be pseudoscientific, hypocritical, and self-serving please. I find it hard to believe you wouldn't declare any reasoning for disliking women either of those qualifiers.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/15 09:13 PM
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The conditions women tend to love for are a lot more transient than the conditions men love for.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/15 09:10 PM
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I'd be very interested as to why they feel this way, and I'd certainly argue that patriarchy isn't a real thing, which is a belief I have, however I would view their arguments for their conclusions as incorrect because they hate men. I'd view their arguments as incorrect because I can provide a logically coherent counter-argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/15 09:08 PM
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Your example is not logically consistent in my opinion. It's as if you said the more speed a car gets, the slower it goes, because there's more competition on a highway. If lots more women were sexworthy, or increased their sexworthyness, that'd be really bad for men because the rich would get richer and the mid-league would remain the exact same. Women's berrier to entry is how many men wanna fuck um. A man's berrier is always going to be whether he can present value actively.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/15 09:04 PM
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No it doesn't. But to make them happy, it involves gender roles. No, it doesn't. The only issue MGTOW would have that would necessitate stricter gender roles would be marriage, which MGTOW have opted out of both because they can't get women to marry and because marriage has become modern slavery for men, which, if you're a man wanting to get married, you don't really care and has nothing to do with the subjugation of women, but the inherent pro/con proposition to both men and women. If you think…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/15 08:50 PM
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You're validating a woman's comment which had a lot less value than /u/teeelo's did because she has a vagina. What a fucking joke.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/15 08:39 PM
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Looks like you got yourself a new alt as well. Wonder what could have been behind that...? snicker snicker
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/15 08:37 PM
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MGTOW has nothing to do with subjugating women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/15 08:25 PM
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I think it has more to do with realizing you're at the bottom of the mountain and getting to the top is going to require more effort, willpower, skills, personality traits, etc, than you have or can realistically get in a realistic amount of time. I don't think anyone who's just awkward decides they don't care much. If you're an awkward nerd, the only thing in life that probably matters much to you is a woman of any sort wanting to touch your penis.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/15 08:24 PM
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Everyone is stumbling over to each other to express that they don't care even harder then the comments before, yet it got 200 comments in under most people's single work shift, therefore, clearly people must care about the topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/15 08:20 PM
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Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/15 01:05 AM
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You seem to think hating women is unreasonable and therefore most TRP individuals are unreasonable. I think this puts the cart before the horse. You'd first have to show that TRP as an ideology isn't reasonable, as I would suggest learning TRP ideology and not adopting an adversarial stance towards women in what would be more unreasonable. Most people who read TRP and still have no issues with women are douchey player types who didn't need TRP to get women in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/15 09:06 PM
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As far as I'm aware there is no proof for either of those arguments. It's entirely anecdotal. I don't believe anyone loves anyone unconditionally.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/15 08:57 PM
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You've also never had to any problems getting women regardless. I'm unsure how you both believe the game doesn't need to be hostile, but also agree everyone is working for their own self interest. If women are working for their own self interest, that's inherently hostile to any man those don't went sex or commitment from.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/15 08:42 PM
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Well, now we're getting into several concepts all at once. To start off you shouldn't. I agree, if you have reason to believe someone's past or beliefs seem to give their current opinions a bias, don't listen to them. I would never take advice on how to keep a loving and faithful relationship from a woman who's branchswung and ONS'ed their way to an n count of 100+. That being said, there are crazy people in every demographic. There are RedPill posters on this board that make me feel purple beca…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/15 08:36 PM
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http://www.reddit.com/r/purplepilldebate/comments/2sfz1b/bluepillers_if_not_hate_then_how_should_newbie_redpillers_get_started/cnq46ov
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/15 08:22 PM
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Well I'm not going to do that because that is not in line my original contention of your point so I suppose we've reached an impasse.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/15 08:21 PM
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I think you missed the point of my analogy. It was not to show women are equal to an inanimate object with no feelings or desires such as an apple pie, it was to demonstrate that BluePillars find the state of disliking women enough to invalidate whole arguments or that the person is somehow broken. I find it odd that you think the only acceptable response to women or women's nature is positivity, where as if presented with an apple pie, which is no different philosophically speaking (an object, …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/15 08:19 PM
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I didn't say they were. Any study that relies on someone being honest is horse crap. That goes for men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/15 07:54 PM
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Your comment touches on something that genuinely puzzles me about most BluePillers. If I told you I hate apple pie, you'd not take issue with it and write a scathing reply on a Reddit forum. How are women any different? You also insult me for agreeing to something you disagree with which you haven't actually defined as anything other than the general idea of TRP, which is massive, not to mention there are TRP ideals I actually do not agree with...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/15 04:20 AM
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Any study based on cheating is reliant on people being honest, which is the antithesis of science... ...or the human condition. So I reject your premise from the get-go.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/15 04:15 AM
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That argument has so many slippery slope fallacies, you can't honestly expect it to hold water? It's far more likely that the information in said ideology, taken as true by it's members, simply leads to feelings of hatred and resentful as the path of least resistance. TRP men hate women because the information in TRP would logically result in men hating women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/15 01:58 AM
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Biological directives and natural engendered conditioning. Neeeeext?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/15 01:33 AM
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TRP started as more realistic option than PUA. It was spawned by the seduction community, after PUA took a strong shift in the direction of "natural" game, which incorporated a lot of BluePill elements in the hopes of appealing to women and the mass media.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/15 01:32 AM
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No, that's stupid. Even those women weren't fat, they'd only be more attractive, and lusting after alphas anyway. Men always need value; it's not like the idea that men need to have game and present value magically came about because fat women aren't fuckable... The SMP is the SMP. Nothing effects it. If everyone became a 9/10 tomorrow, the bar would just be raised again. What is wrong with RedPills these days? Wearing a RedPill tag didn't used to mean you were obnoxiously right-wing and got to …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/15 01:28 AM
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I don't know who told you women were or weren't on your team, but there are no teams and no one gives you anything. Everyone, men and women, are on their own. I'm not sure how you think that helps your argument more than mine. If anything, you've buried your own position. If no one is on anyone's team and we all work for our own self interest, why would TRP give a shit about the well being of women?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/15 01:18 AM
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And I'm asking you to define "specific example" you will accept as proof, so as to avoid you claiming anything I propose is a subset of something else and not exemplary of anything I'm proposing. I'm not playing the goal-post game.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/15 01:05 AM
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I don't think you understand how being poor works...or body chemistry. If you're legitimately poor, you have no money, which means you literally cannot afford food and either starve regularly or are fed by one of the three levels of government and have no control over your food at all. If you're a member of the working poor, all you can afford, or have the education to produce for yourself is junk food, or at least, food low in nutritional value, but filling calorically. Therefore, to sate hunge…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/15 12:41 AM
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This thread is nothing but a tirade of terrible arguments on all sides.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/15 09:48 PM
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Have to stop you there. Poor people are often overweight because they, A) have poor educations and lack nutritional education and B) cannot afford nutritious food. If you're poor, you can't eat often because...you're...like, poor,so saying they have poor impulse control, while I'm sure some do, is not a logically consistent argument. In fact, if you're legit poor, you're probably fed by a municipal shelter who prepare decent food for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/15 08:30 PM
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If I gave you specific examples, you'd claim "oh that's just that one thing". If I gave you vague examples, you'd claim they were too vague. What would you accept as a realistic demonstration that this is the case other than the experience of the vast majority of reddit, or at least gendered subs?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/15 07:06 PM
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Elite Daily is the most incredibly odd website I've ever encountered. No one seems to have a similar opinion of it as anyone else. One person says it's a bastion of TRP. Another person says it's beta as fuck. Another person says it's nothing but sexism. Another person says it's positive self improvement...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/15 11:06 PM
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Media, advertisements of pretty much every variety, politics,...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/15 09:35 PM
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Being angry with women does not help your game. In fact, it hurts. Anger, resentment, outright hatred, and other negative emotions will come through in your actions, and if you hold onto them instead of getting past them, you're going to push people away. It doesn't matter if it helps or hurts your game because no one was fucking you or wanting to fuck you in the first place. But you should get over it. Truly, lots of things in life are unfair, so why get angry at women in the dating game vs. al…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/15 09:06 PM
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No, AWALT as in, she was different. If there was a woman I could point too that was the exact opposite of the negative things TRP teach about women, she'd be it. Her behaving in manners in line with AWALT women reinforced or at least validated that...well, AWALT. maybe she just ends up with lame dudes because her SMV is low, as you say, so she can't do any better? I mean, a greasy idiot sounds about on par with 6.5 so, they're probably just in eachother's leagues. She could definitely do better …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/15 05:51 AM
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Hard to describe over text. But mostly, when we first met, she was very meek and had not very good social skills but she was cool, so she grew on us. As time went on, her being friends with dudes definitely improved her a lot and now she's quite a lot more attractive than she used to be. When we met, she was maybe a 4. Now she's a solid 6.5. In any case, she's been exploring sex more these days, because obviously before, no one wanted her, and the guys she's chosen were pretty AWALT choices. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/15 04:42 AM
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Because women generally prefer white men. I didn't think this was the case until I met my current best friend who has a very similar physique and personality to me and has been far more naturally successful than I am, as a non-white looking person.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/15 02:25 AM
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An employee is trying to get a job from an employer the employer actively does not want to give the employee unless the employee is qualified. That's a competitive relationship. The limited resource is sex for men and quality men for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/15 12:57 AM
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A conflict is by definition a competition.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/15 12:52 AM
1

If you say so.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/15 12:17 AM
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I meant, that western culture is laced with feminist overtones. Everywhere you turn it's "women can do anything! But, what about the women!? We need more women because women make everything better! Women are smarter than men!". Every modern sitcom's formula is a desirable woman foiling a derpy man(en), who's just lucky to have found her.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/15 12:17 AM
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If you live 500,000 years ago, you couldn't be an asshole and expect to live very long. If you live in 2015, you can be an asshole all you want and nothing happens. People's biological directive is cooperation for survival. People's biological directive is also to be as greedy as possible so you have the resources to survive. Competing directives.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/15 12:13 AM
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Bullshit. You are inconsistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 11:16 PM
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I actually don't. I am the first RedPill to admit the world is not what a lot of RedPills in here seem to think it is however, a lot of human behavior, especially sexual, is highly darwinian and does follow very closely with pretty basic biological functions. Even high rationalized, or emotional sexual decisions can all be explained in pretty basic evo psych. I have rarely if ever met someone who's sexual behavior made no sense or contradicted TRP. In fact I was quite sad to find that one of my …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 01:35 AM
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I don't think anyone is talking about that. In any case, you can trust a woman to be a woman in the same way you can trust a man to be a man, and a banker to be a banker, and a politician to be a politician.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 01:30 AM
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Haha, oh boy, talk about delusional interpretations of reality to best suit one's personal convenience. I'm guessing you're [insert random qualifier in attempt to ad hominem your reply]
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 11:47 PM
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People being fucking obnoxious, and finding minute, insignificant details with which to derail the advance of a point that threatens their reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 11:45 PM
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What I could use a break from is people without a single shred of intellectual honesty. Have a nice weekend.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 09:20 PM
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Everyone wants the best partner they can get whilst rejecting undesirable partners. That is inherently a competition. Human sexuality is no different than bullshark pups in that only the best are (intended) to make it. The bullshark mother births the strongest shark pup. The human female is generally driven to mate with the best male she has access too, or in our somewhat more subjective world, the best male who's qualities she gives value too, those qualities typically being homogenous, but not…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 09:02 PM
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I was not talking about sociologically, I was talking purely in logistics. Attempting to attract, and court a female is a terrible and inefficient strategy. Rape is far more expedient and assured. Rape was only bad if you happened to not be in a position of reaping privilege of social bias. If you're just some random australopithecus, of course raping the alpha's woman is going to get you mauled. If you happen to be the alpha's right hand man, no one (who matters) is going to care you raped one …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 08:49 PM
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Stop talking.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 08:43 PM
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Men are not in competition with women to propagate their genes. Men are in competition with other men. You are really confused about who your enemy is. No, you just don't understand how evolution works. Men are in competition with other men only insofar as women set the bar for men. If women decided they were perfectly willing to fuck any guy who was better than a 4/10, competition would pretty much vanish as most humans can be better than a 4. And its not quite that simple to say crappy genes g…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 08:38 PM
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I have to say...reading through this thread...reliable ol' Taibo kind of actually stuck it to a lot of the hamstering women (and some men)...lol. Unexpected.com.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 07:34 PM
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goddamn it. I know that feeling bro. I know that feeling.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 07:30 PM
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A friend and a beta orbiter are not the same thing. If you think a friend and a beta orbiter are the same thing, you're probably a terrible person If you think the friendzone doesn't exist, you're delusional or attempting to rationalize other beliefs you hold about the way you treat men in your life. If you think the friendzone is not a social phenomenon with it's routes firmly set in feminism and feminist ideology in western society, you're either delusional, or find it easier to attack men for…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 07:27 PM
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Good faith is not ascribed wantonly by just about anyone at anytime. If you have experienced the opposite, I'd love to live wherever you're from and trust that all the bankers, and politicians and car salesmen, etc. I meet have my best intentions at heart,
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 07:18 PM
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That would make sense, if we were worms. A species which mates by having only those of the most attractive/biologically privileged be the most sexually successful is, by nature, a contention of wills, ie. a battle. A 1/10 wanting sex from a 10/10 is going to cause problems because a 10/10 is not going to want to reward a 1/10 with their body. He/she is unworthy. Saying men and women are not in a competition is like saying bullshark pups who eat each other in the womb are not in a competition.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 07:15 PM
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Except that it is. Sex is literally a genetical war. Crappy genes are destroyed, and good genes are supplicated. Even if war is too strong a word for sexual dynamics between men and women, the other gender certainly aren't on your side, and really couldn't give a fuck about you or your troubles in any practical way.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 07:12 PM
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Women don't have a sexual strategy, so men pretty much "win" by default. That being said, our sexual strategy is pretty intensive, and doesn't guarantee success, so it's not a very good strategy at all really. Rape would be a better sexual strategy than anything mainstream or TRP, logistically speaking.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 07:08 PM
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Not a BluePill but this argument is generally backwards rationalizing/hamstering. Women (and men) wear nice shit to feel nice for themselves because other people have decided what looks nice and what you should feel good wearing. If society decided sweatpants and a barefeet were the sexiest thing to wear to a club, or event, no one is getting dressed up in a skintight dress you can't get into a car without flashing your vajayjay in and 7 inch heels "for themselves".
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 07:05 PM
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You really don't need to get so upset, it's just an internet discussion. You people are fucking obnoxious. You're not a chick. Don't act like one.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 06:57 PM
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No. You started the argument saying something silly, I corrected you, you sourcefagged, I provided several sources that countered exactly the opinion you espoused (because I took several days in sourcing to make sure what I was sourcing actually countered the exact content in your quote). You're wrong. I win. You're not going to bait men into reframing the discussion. Sit down and stop talking.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 05:35 PM
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If "won't let this go" is defined as noticing an observation, and asking you for clarity, sure. I won't let this go. I'm downright obsessed. Your age means nothing to me. I'm also 26, and my experience of people has been the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 05:33 PM
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Or, I asked you a fairly rudimentary question based on an observation, and you're spewing estrogen fueled garbage around and accusing me of being butthurt as a defence mechanism, but we can go with your version if it makes you feel better. I've never seen someone deny how they help confidence and aesthetics before. I never denied they did. If I'm intellectually immature, you are terrible at applying context and nuance. Or, you have terrible communication skills and are behaving like a 12yr old. …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 05:26 PM
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I'm not talking about this, I'm talking about in general. You're not a particularly consistent poster. Your opinion in one thread has no intellectual links to your opinions in others.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 04:33 PM
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I never said they were lazy. You did. What drugs are you on girl? You say they are lazy constantly...I could source yourself back to yourself if I really cared enough. You have regularly used the argument that a 4 can be a 7, but is a 4 because he's lazy. You've said this at least 3 or 4 times in the conversations with you I've had. This personally resonates with you because no one else seems to think I'm shitting on them. Perhaps you can't handle no bullshit critiques or observations. I will no…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 04:29 PM
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Honestly, you are the only one who seems to disagree. The other replies agree with me. I've seen like 3 people disagree with you on this exact same topic. Someone said the exact same thing I did in one of these two threads. Channing Tatum is not attractive to me. [Eye rolls] And I literally say that any guy can be attractive and most people are not "ugly." Ugly is a mindset. You don't believe that because no one believes that, because that's extremely naive. I do not for a second believe you've …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 04:15 PM
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I've known your Reddit persona, and read your blog long enough to have a workable impression of the type of person you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 03:10 PM
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It takes more than insincere condescension from a stranger to melt my heart. Who said my heart was icy anyway? I am probably a warmer, kinder, and empathetic person than you are by a mile.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 01:49 AM
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I clarified your argument several times back to you in the run up to my final sourced post. You never indicated that was not your argument, and you continued to defend yourself until I posting that post. If that was actually not your argument, the onus was on you to clarify what your argument was if you demanded sources from me knowing I did not understand the point you were making. Personally, I'm 98% convinced you're just trying to look less wrong after being proved wrong, but regardless...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 12:36 AM
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That was a good try, hunny.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 12:33 AM
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Europe is more socially homogenous than comparing people from Arizona to people from New York.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 12:32 AM
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The entertainment factor, mostly. It's so bizarre and alien and it fits into a teeny, tiny phone screen while I'm snuggled in bed. Why do you care enough to respond? Given the disrespect aimed not only at myself, but my opinions, those whom share my opinions, men in general, this subreddit, and the entire point of discussion here inherent in this comment, I no longer do.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/15 03:11 AM
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You can use that argument against literally anything. "You're still on Earth? Wow...get some perspective..."
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/15 03:03 AM
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The next time you meet someone who genuinely has no desire to eat, drink, sleep, have sex with those they value and have people like them, you let me know. I'd very much want to have a conversation with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/15 09:59 PM
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That is meaningless.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/15 09:40 PM
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You made your argument clear to me from the get-go. There was no confusion, you were just wrong as your position was silly and considering I stopped replying for 3-4 days, you must have realized that within that time or re-read the string after I finally replied, realized you were off base and are now trying to backpedal to try to get out of having to defend a position that makes no sense because you don't want to admit a TRP beat you at source-fagging, which I have to imagine you thought would …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/15 09:33 PM
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I already addressed your first question in another reply I really don't think so. People regurgitate the same stuff because people tend to ask the same questions. You, however, seem to turn every conversation you're in, on any given topic into "lulz, unattractive guys are lazy and should stop complaining". I don't know why a woman would put so much effort into shitting on guys you don't even associate with.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/15 09:29 PM
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You take umbrage anytime I suggest a person changes their behavior to get better results. Not really. I agree whole heartedly people could improve themselves with hard work and motivation. What I take umbrage with is your unrealistic ideals of how far that improvement stretches (a 4 will never be a 7 with nothing more than clothing changes and a bit of fitness. If you believe that, you must be the most forgiving woman in earth, which we know isn't the case youve said yourself you won't date some…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/15 09:27 PM
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'Kay. So you are saying you eschew commitment because theoretically the majority of men have player fantasies? ಠ_ಠ. Why are you not having orgies with the unattractive men you encounter on a regular basis? My Gentleman likes the idea of being a wizard. This didn't stop him from a career in [$Science] and a healthy tendency to scoff at people who actually believe in magic. So your bf is a pretentious academic who disrespects those of tamer scientific ambitions or literacy than himself. This seems…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/15 08:39 PM
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Not really. If you're in Texas, or Arizona, sure...New York, or California? No. More importantly though, you accused someone of being in a bubble, he put forth that he travels extensively, and then you suggested that the entire continent he travels on doesn't count. That's weak and immature man...c'mon.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/15 07:15 PM
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You really have not.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/15 07:09 PM
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You're making the mistake of thinking humans in general are particularly different. Every, has the same drives, goals, and desires. People from the same country, even more so. People from the same region in that country, even more so. People of the same gender, even more so... The fact that some people have difficulty dating, and some people do not, or, that some people have an n count of 20 without effort, whilst some have an n count of 1 with a high degree of effort is the literal, real life, …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/15 08:46 AM
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I knew a woman who know a woman at her work who had had sex/sexual relations of some kind with at least 14 of the men in her office. I always wonder whether, if someone were to ask her N count, whether she'd count all 14 of those men just at her place of employment. Highly doubtful.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/15 08:41 AM
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Wicked come-back dawg [/s]
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/15 08:38 AM
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Who are you and what have you done with GMS?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/15 08:22 AM
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A woman just told me she engages in wild sex orgies, and is in the middle of mood swings because she hasn't been able to fuck any of her multiple FWBs. My first response is "gross". That's the only reason I need. I may not even dislike the concept of group sex. Sounds fun...if I was in it...but hearing a woman talk about it, and knowing she partakes? Gross.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/15 08:21 AM
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because redpillers are insecure and cant accept that women may have had more/better sex than them? This is a tired, old, argument, and just as "urban legendy" and juvenile as the ones the OP suggested. It has nothing to do with insecurity or being afraid a woman had sex before [us]. If a woman's attractive, she has most certainly lost her virginity many many years ago. a person's identity is more than how many people they've slept with. Actually, it's not. How many people you fuck and how often …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/15 08:17 AM
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Also I'm into style and anyone who dates me has to get on my level. Well,...excuUuUse us...
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/15 08:09 AM
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What is your actual goal or purpose for being on this forum? You seem to recycle the same argument in every thread. Do you particularly dislike beta males or something of the like?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/15 08:05 AM
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I'm sure I never made this claim. The conversation stemmed from you declaring TRP ideology contradictory as they characterize female behavior, in different situations, as both machiavellian and irrational, and at least insinuated this wasn't possible. I made the argument people are more than only one set of traits/characteristics/adjectives. You accused me of making a claim (that people's personality traits do not have to be entirely consistent, all the time) that required evidence. I accused yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/15 07:59 AM
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I wrote a lengthy reply to this several days ago and deleted by accident, so Im going to keep this one short. If you're insisting that women are in general both Machiavellian and emotionally impulsive That was not my claim, but nevertheless, I will provide actual studies (against my better judgement as you're the one making the actual claim) http://http-server.carleton.ca/~tpychyl/011382000/BigFive.html Relevant sections: First, having a trait means reacting consistently to the same situation ov…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/15 05:11 AM
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So what? A substantial number do meet more attractive people. And who said they have to be progressively more attractive or that it had to happen on a regular basis? If you're an 8 dating a 9, why would an 8 woman jump shit on every 9 man she comes in contact with? That makes no sense. Further, unless you believe it's impossible for someone to become less attractive over time -- say, if a woman's husband turns into a raging alcoholic or, you know, he cheats on her -- then the odds of meeting som…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/15 04:12 AM
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I sincerely doubt the majority of men want drug problems and nights out at da club. Again...too seriously. Point being, guys would rather be the stereotypical alpha than the stereotypical beta. Because I organise wild hedonistic sex parties. And the trick to having them go well is to acknowledge that while there is a minority hard core clubber demographic, the vast majority of people want to feel cozy, included, etc... They want beer and giggles, not E and earplugs. Putting my visceral revulsion…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/15 04:04 AM
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So why don't betas work on being more not beta when they're younger. Because they're told by women, and culture they don't need to. Because they're unaware they are beta. Because they're unaware being beta is a bad thing. Because when you're young you don't give a shit about anything and aren't mature or have a sense of responsibility for your life. I did shit in school because I had no concept that the skills I develop when I'm 15 will affect me when I'm 26. In my day to day life I see plenty o…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/15 03:54 AM
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The infamous /u/pickup_sticks has decided to grace PPD with his illustrious presence and deemed my comment meaningless. I have not enough goats to sacrifice in the hopes of winning his favour. This is meaningless. No...its not. Emotional bonds and deeper senses of value do eventually count for something. Furthermore, its not like many people are actively meeting new progressively more attractive people on a regular basis.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/15 09:44 PM
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That's not what they complain about. If women wanted more betas, TRP wouldn't exist. TRP "complains" that women settle for betas after they can no longer compete with younger, more vibrant women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/15 08:45 PM
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makes them feel things they value someplace else.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/15 05:47 PM
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/u/AFormidableContender = PPD beta status
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/15 05:53 AM
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Blaming women for hypergamy. This is a purple people contention I don't understand. I'm not sure if it's what you're trying to say as you go on to say something different, but men don't "blame" women for hypergamy. Hypergamy is just shitty and men dislike women for it, regardless of how logical or good for the species it is. If it was naturally good for the species, and within human nature to hate everyone with blonde hair, and this manifests itself in our culture by oppressing blonde haired peo…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/15 04:40 AM
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So your arguement is that men prefer to be hit by cars...? Aren't we talking about the species that essentially self domesticated according to some theories? I'm not sure I follow the analogy... You're taking it too seriously. All the analogy is meant to convey is that if given the choice, most guys would rather the be the alpha male at the club at 3AM with a motorcycle and a drug problem taming strange than the comfortably married but not necessarily fulfilled office worker who didn't lose his …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/15 04:13 AM
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To quote Bill Maher's famous piece on the health benefits if marriage, "...yes, and an indoor cat lives longer too. It may have a broken spirit, but you're right, it does technically live longer". If marriage is penultimate, which is the ultimate? If you're a woman, making a super baby. If you're a man, making a million babies, like Genghis Khan.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 07:52 PM
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I mean, you can be a bluepill and all be alpha, sooo...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 05:39 PM
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Exactly. Time to initiate operation RedPillOver9000
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 07:21 AM
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I didn't make anyone's list for either 3. Looks like I'm going to have to try even harder on 2015 to at least make someone wanna kill me :D!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 05:39 AM
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Ok, you have women who's biological drive is to lock the best man down, and you have men who's biological drive is to fuck all decent women forever. Marriage is the penultimate expression of female success. Marriage is the penultimate expression of male failure.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 03:00 AM
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I mean, if you're going to use your subculture as a metric, I really can't argue any of your points because they're all self admittedly subjective. My anecdotally attempted-objective opinion would still be that men by and large would prefer to be free to have sex at will than be married. Men get married because they have few options and women tend to push for it, else face the social consequence of the male losing his female, thus marriage. Even if I concede marriage is not an overly bad deal fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 12:58 AM
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You have a point. Possibly to the point that I'd be willing to concede. That being said, is marriage necessary? No. Do women typically want to get married more than men? Yes. Can women replace a SO after the dissolution of a marriage more easily than a man can by a significant margin? Yes. I am not entirely sold that you being the higher earner has much to do with whether or not alimony would be awarded. I know some states in America are putting forth a greater effort to qwell this misandrist ph…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/15 07:02 AM
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That's a simple question with a complicated answer. In the most basic sense, it's not required. A woman's endgame is commitment. A man can give commitment without a piece of paper and a ring. All the ring does is demonstrate that you're basically her cattle to other women, and the paper lets her take half your shit when she eventually branch-swings you for her tennis coach. [/s.] Now that's not to come across like I'm talking from another planet...I'm sure lots of guys are married and a lot of g…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/15 12:04 AM
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Because we don't live in nature. We live in society with social overtones, and we have a moral basis for refusing to admit some things about our nature. Even if women were aware, they couldn't go around saying "women only wanna fuck the alpha, so if you're not top 10%, fuck you"...that is not something most people would even admit to themselves, or others. Is there another natural function it's analogous to, that's easier to understand? Not really. I mean, it's more life food. I hate brussel spr…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 04:15 AM
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How much does a womans mind vs body desires play into who she wants to be with? Mind has not really anything to do with anything. Your mind only exists to solve logical predicaments and to justify decisions your subconscious has already made for you. I just had a personal experience that exemplifies this exact thing today...lol. It's very weird to see in action. Is there a way women can be more in tune to their natural desires? How subvertible is this nature? I've never met any. Some could make …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 01:48 AM
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Lol. No one in the history of ever has ever been presented a source on Reddit and gone "oh yea. I'm wrong. Thanks. Bye". But, luckily for me, the burden of proof is not entirely mine. You made just as much a claim as I did, which makes no real sense to me because you're essentially arguing that people are one dimensional and their personality stretches no further than a convenient adjective clause, as you originally took issue with RP proposing women have more than one personality characterizati…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 01:42 AM
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Luckily for me, I did. theatrical villains having more than a one dimensional character was only tangentially related to my actual argument. You attacked that because it was easier than countering my actual point (which is BP in nature. No idea why a Blooper would be trying to argue people are one dimensional, which is a RP argument).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 01:38 AM
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His straw-man level, it's...it's...IT'S OVER 9000!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/15 11:27 PM
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Is this the part where we pretend even if I did source something, that you have any interest in changing your mind, or accepting the source as credible?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/15 09:42 PM
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Yes. Our sexuality is more or less straight forwards with few competing desires and cognitive dissonances.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/15 08:49 PM
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But you're so recognizable. :) I'm surprised you're not a novelty mod by now.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/15 08:26 PM
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No. I think the nature of both men and women causes men to be better sources of advice for both sexes. Don't ask a deer how to hunt deer, or don't ask a fish, find a fisherman are just nifty phrases. The underlying issue is that women have no idea how to help people with sex and attraction because they have no idea how their own bodies work. If every guy was made aware how female sexuality works, there'd probably be a gender war (and not one just in social subtext; something substantive)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/15 08:07 PM
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Weirdo. Jk. I want pie.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/15 07:31 PM
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What about it would be gross? The bigger the muscles, the more naturally able he would be to protect you and your hypothetical genetic Bakerofpie replica
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/15 07:13 PM
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It's not necessarily about marriage, marriage is just the common endgame for modern women because it's a re-fucking-diculously amazing deal for women and modern slavery for men. It's about commitment. If a woman is older and hasn't secured commitment from a quality man, that's no different than a guy being 45 and an incel. You've failed at your biological task. If you don't care about that, that's fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/15 07:05 PM
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The second part you never said to me; you were talking to another RedPill. People have more than one aspect of their personality. In the same way an alpha male is not an alpha male 100% of the time, a child-like woman who makes irrational and immature decisions is not irrational and immature 100% of the time. Women tend to be machiavellian in the world views they adopt to suit their ingendered roles as gatekeepers of sex. There are notable examples on this very subreddit of women exemplafying th…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/15 06:50 PM
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Again, people can be...a lot of things. People can be horrifyingly simple animals whilst being unbelievably complex. There are feelings we don't even have words for. It's really not that contradictory to posit someone may often swing between being machiavellian and irrationally child like, especially given competing desires. A woman values one day being a good wife and having a family, but she also values fucking the hot alpha male in the club bathroom stall at 3AM while her boyfriend is out wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/15 05:13 PM
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Reading through this thread, most people are doubling down on forming arguments against "women are perfect snowflakes", which is not really the true reason TRP's are mad. Many may be, but more anger arrises from the true nature of female sexuality than realizing women aren't perfect. Women not being perfect is something no one who's ever gone to public school could truly believe in whole hog. It's not that shocking a discovery. The anger is about the nature of female sexuality being almost 180 d…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/15 05:06 PM
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People can be cold, calculating, machiavellian whilst also being irrational, and child-minded...those qualities are not mutually exclusive. In fact, most common theatrical villains are exactly this.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/15 05:00 PM
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All 4 of your sentences directly contradict each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/15 04:58 PM
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I think it doesn't matter. If that makes her happy, she's happy. The thing is, women have the power of sexual choice. If not riding and marrying a beta makes her happy, she's free to pursue that. Personally, I would consider that a massive waste of a life as a woman, but like I always say, women never lose.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/15 04:50 PM
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I am not really sold on this popular notion that people just dipset without trying. People are pretty cognicent of their personal worth, and if an unattractive man decides to leave the SMP, it's usually because he's aware he either can't be an alpha, or the amount of time and effort to get to where he'd wanna be is so overwhelming, maybe he'd find more pleasure doing something else and accepting that banging women left, right and centre is not in the cards. I don't think many people who really d…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/15 12:39 AM
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As an excuse for what?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/15 11:43 PM
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Use what as an excuse?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/15 11:24 PM
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Going through your post history reads like a troll, but to answer the question in good faith, logically, women lose nothing, you're right, but that is a nebulous concept because women never lose anything ever, so the point is moot. It's about men, not women. This is putting aside all arguments of MGTOW not being failures, but simply men who opted out for various reasons. I'll let others wax on about that as they've already beaten me to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/15 08:07 PM
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I didn't say it has to be. I said my friends didn't actively seek it out. No, but they won it. I mean think about it...like I said...there's 1000000 people in your life that you've met, seen, known, whatever, and you chose them. There's a validation there. I think you may have misread my comment because I'm not sure what you disagree with. I didn't say that validation doesn't exist. Why should I care about what those random thousands of people think of me? They don't know me and it won't affect …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/15 08:03 PM
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I really think it's just your time of the month. I made that comment with no surrounding accusations at all, obviously because I've mixed something another poster said with you. You then went ballistic and continued getting just as disagreeable to speak. You're not going to blame me for your feels. I've already plainly admitted I made a mistake. The point was relevant because an attractive women attempting to lecture on the nature of incel men kills your credibility on the topic. I have been und…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/15 07:57 PM
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I don't agree with your premise. If anything, nudity and breasts are becoming extremely blaise in american society and media. Game of Thrones which is the most popular show on TV at the moment has boobs in every other scene for the sake of having boobs. Marco Polo which I just watched which is a miniseries about a horrifically historically inaccurate take on Marco Polo did the same thing; Boobs everywhere. People don't give a fuck about boobs. Boobs aren't even censured in the UK. You see boobs …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/15 03:29 AM
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Lol. Whatevs, bro. I'm not the one who decided to get personal and make shit up. Actually you were, considering I've spoken with you like two dozen times and you randomly decided to start acting extremely belligerent and cantankerous in this thread specifically. If you think this is me(or anyone) getting personal,...wow.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/15 03:19 AM
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I agree with the second part in so far as if someone insults you, they've just given up the privilege of having their opinion matter. Although, under that logic, you'd wonder why anyone insults or belittles anyone...so clearly people don't take this mindset by and large. As per your first point, I'd disagree. Validation doesn't have to be actively won. You've met thousands of human beings but you likely only have like 5 people who's opinions you care about, so what made those 5 people more speci…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/15 03:17 AM
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You're a quakenet, quakenet! You gonna hide or use the same weird combination of numbers and letters?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/15 01:34 AM
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You first suggested that the mods of PPD should be the mods of the IRC. I suggested that was pants on head retarded. Then you immediately agreed with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/15 01:28 AM
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What network is this on? "Servercentral" does not appear to be a supported network for Hexchat users.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/15 01:10 AM
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That's cool. You just did a total 180 from your original comment, so that looks weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/15 12:59 AM
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That's a pretty bold and extravagant claim. I think people enjoy throwing around Marx, socialism and communism far to liberally...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/15 12:58 AM
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Considering you just did a 180, I can't tell if your trolling... Am I supposed to be offended? Let me know Thanks /u/AFormidableContender
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 08:05 PM
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You're making the mistake of thinking simply occupying those positions and weilding tangible power are analogous.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 07:44 PM
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Marxist theory doesn't take into account sexual supplication.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 07:43 PM
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Lol, fuck that. People should get irc privs via merit not grandfathered in.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 07:40 PM
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Well, you're family has nothing to gain from your validation. You're friends probably already earned your validation and vis versa. I agree some people care too much. I knew a girl who decided never to go to a restaurant again because a server asked her out. But, people do require validation. Without validation, there's no reason to believe you're worth anything and no indication you're actually not worth anything. The world would be a more complicated place.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 07:18 PM
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Great mental image
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 07:12 PM
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Logically maybe, but it's human nature to seek acceptance. If you don't seek acceptance you're demonstrating signs of sociopathy and probably have psychological conditions.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 09:19 AM
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you appeared to suggest TRP people are TRP people because they don't care what other people think of them. Did you mean you disagree with TRP as sane people care what other people think of them, or where you stating that TRP people simply don't care?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 07:49 AM
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I was going to make one a few nights ago but I'd need a bot to moderate moderation so the Q's don't flip flop around.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 06:55 AM
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They are typically considering losers who everybody is happy is gone and saving women time, which is somewhat ironic.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 06:45 AM
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Are you suggesting truth or reality hinges on whether or not person A likes person B?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 06:43 AM
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Most people think TRP is toxic, and misogynistic because most people think reality is toxic and misogynistic, and racist, and classist, and everything else. People are averse to realistic thinking, and most people, find the nature of sex, even their own sexual nature offensive by definition, including women. In fact, given what TRP has to say about women I do not blame women for finding TRP toxic, or misogynistic. The issue, however, is that reality really doesn't give a fuck what you think it i…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 06:08 AM
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I would say I'm necessarily a provider, but I'm certainly not a classical alpha.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 05:52 AM
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At the same time, we see Megan Fox or Olivia Wilde in the media all the time and no one is deciding they don't wanna fuck them. Attractive is attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 05:51 AM
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If you judge me by most RedPill standards, I would probably still be deemed quite beta.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 03:42 AM
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Lol, no, it was a party, so it was a couch, which is somewhat less odd, but thank you. And yea, I definitely agree. I mean, the most beta thing about TRP men is that men use TRP...if you think about it. That being said, I've never been good at walking the walk. I can talk the talk all day long as far as debating sexual dynamisc on the internet goes.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 02:56 AM
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Are you saying you don't like the appearance of highly muscled guys? I have never really believed that. I heard someone say once how amazing it must be for women to have sex with jacked pornstar looking guys and how after doing it, it must be pretty much impossible to have sex with anyone else who isn't similar jacked because they'd be so lame, and that stuck with me ever since.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 02:01 AM
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I've known quite a few strippers, and at least one prostitute. I would date them. I would never in a million years expect fidelity. If I came home one day and caught her sucking some dudes dick, it'd be like "Oh. Yea. That makes sense. K, bye".
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 01:59 AM
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Interesting. I had a similar experience the other night where a girl I work with who is also, like, a 3/4 randomly wanted to sleep with me. Not sexually though, just literally sleep with me...I'm not even remotely her type, but I obliged. Sometimes chicks grow on you. I've had a few women I didn't really pay any attention to win me over with personality. A chick with personality is a dangerous weapon...because so few women are cool.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 01:57 AM
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Shaming language/tactics is manosphere terminology. They even have categories for it. Categorizing it doesn't mean the concept originated in the man'o'sphere. Link an example of me engaging in "shaming", or stop lying. If I linked you an example, you'd claim you weren't, call me a liar, and continue on your rather random grand tyrade against me you have going on lately. Why expend that effort? Sigh. TRPers decry "anti-male shaming" and the feminist propensity to engage in the same, whilst doing …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 01:53 AM
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Those things are all within reach. It takes work, but not a prohibitive amount of work for the average man (obviously, it's a more uphill battle for the uber unattractive). Again, it's laziness. The "alphas" you all envy work out, dress well and put effort into being attractive. Not really. Most of them were simply born attractive and given free status via halo effect. I've met guys who came up from nothing and are now super hot alpha males and they are the most incredibly interesting people aro…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 01:51 AM
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Let's make up and gossip over pumpkin pie. Don't go ham on the sugar though!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 01:45 AM
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You are, or they are?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 01:42 AM
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If anything, I have more respect for less attractive women because they typically have to have other skills besides being able to look good on a bar stool. The girl I'm interested in right now is probably a 6/6.5 and she's worth a lot more than any 8 or 9 I've met.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 01:41 AM
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I know RedPillSchool does this as well but it wasn't actually him.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/15 09:38 PM
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Happy new rotation around the sun, which actually started 70% of the easy through December 31. Merp. [adjusts nerd glasses]
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/15 09:36 PM
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Yyyeeaaahhhh, you're a dork. You must be a hoot at parties, lol. Let's whipe the slate clean.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/15 09:31 PM
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That was funny. This is not PPD material. Please leave at your earliest convenience >:{
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 11:26 PM
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That's cool man. Actually kind of a valuable position to have considering the nature of TRP and how it's opponents peg it to be mostly club douches trying to attract club douches.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 11:00 PM
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How is it even remotely a waste of time? If my girl will do something for someone she won't do for me, that's a major problem...that's just common sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 10:06 PM
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Because I've spoken to him about relevant topics before...has nothing to do with hipsters, nor does he doesn't need you to defend his honour.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 10:04 PM
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Most feminists are feminists because they're not attractive. There'd be no real reason for an attractive woman to consider that she's being oppressed or subjugated in society because, well..she's not. She gets the awesome end of the stick in every scenario, and if she's particularly self-aware (which almost no attractive women are), they may even realize life is wildly in their favour. Feminist wouldn't be required.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 09:31 PM
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I think people forget that knowing TRP doesn't mean you can perform TRP. Most of the people who sit around a Reddit forum talking about TRP and telling others about it are probably not the same people who are spending their time out actually fucking women, because you are entirely correct; if you are truly the epitome of a TRP alpha, what do you get out of helping men below you? Nothing. You actually accrue negative value...for every man who reads your comments, is a new competitor. TRP tends to…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 09:22 PM
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You don't come across as a hipster, even remotely. I think you're being very liberal with your self description.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 09:16 PM
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TRP is about attraction, and learning what people are attracted to naturally. If you have a heartbeat and a vagina, TRP should have an effect on you because an attractive man is an attractive man plain and simple, whether you want to admit it or not. Attraction is not a choice. There used to be a guy here who enjoyed seducing and banging man hating feminists, and women who thought PUA/TRP, MRA, (all that man'o'sphere stuff) was garbage and misogynistic etc, and he said they were easier to fuck w…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 09:14 PM
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Right, because you have so much experience being in the position of a lot of our RedPill guys that your judgement means everything to us. I mean the details of your life sound so horrible, you'd be the first person we'd go to when we need advice about how to not get shat on by anyone, let alone women. Life was so hard for you.... Whine? Who's wining? Who's letting us whine? Certainly not you. You just spend 2 paragraphs shitting on nice guys to stroke your own ego. You'd say the exact same nebul…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 09:03 PM
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Men can't gain social status without looks? What? Don't TRPers/PUAs always say looks don't matter for men? So, you're seriously arguing women usually date/marry men hotter than themselves? And men regularly commit to women below their league? K, lol. No. PUA's used to before the community shifted to being more realistic and less encouraging. Now they reject that claim mostly. Nope, he's a 4 because he's lazy, socially awkward, or both; with minimal work, he could probably get a female 4 (but he …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 08:55 PM
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What? Shaming language is manosphere terminology. No, the concept of shaming language is feminist actually. There have been several threads here where TRPers have decried "virgin shaming" and feminists/BPers who engage in it. You're doing exactly what your side condemns. I dgaf about "shaming", nor do I identify with any group that does. I don't see how I'm being hypocritical. Because you do it regularly yourself. I'm not even sure what your point is, or what the point of this conversation is at…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 08:48 PM
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They don't call me A Formidable Contender for nothing, honey bunches.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 08:09 PM
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You couldn't take me yo. Don't write cheques your pewnie lady body can't cash.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 08:39 AM
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You're a weirdo.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 08:13 AM
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I was playing devil's advocate. Enlighten me.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 06:07 AM
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-_-
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 02:21 AM
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The question presumes my opinion of promiscuous females is unjustifiable. If I believe it, it's not unjustifiable...
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 12:38 AM
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If an attractive woman thinks she's ugly, her idea of an ugly person's reality is going to be that an attractive person...such as thinking you're an incel when you can clearly get boyfriends.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 12:36 AM
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I just said that the problem you describe is mostly in young people. As a fucking student, no duh you see it around you. By and large, that shit doesn't happen after college. There's nothing in life that says you must have sex in college, and plenty of people don't. Making your entire life about sex is narrowminded and ruinous. I was speaking metaphorically. I'm not a student; I'm 26. Holy fuck. Dating advice that doesn't involve manipulation and focuses on self improvement? Did I die? How about…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 12:32 AM
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Sure, send me a picture. I ask because 99% of women who declare themselves ugly and build a worldview around that are not even remotely ugly and have tainted beliefs because of it, which leads to crazy world views. I've had girls PM me asking if I thought they were trolls and they were, like, 8's if they put on some make up, and donned a skirt and heels.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 12:04 AM
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lol...what about you is "not very attractive"?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 09:53 PM
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That too.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 09:52 PM
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A typo ruined the entire context of my first paragraph, so I hope it's still awesome...lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 09:52 PM
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In social status and wealth, NOT in looks. There is no distinction. You can't get social status without looks 90% of the time, and looks gives free social status, so there's no practical difference. And yes, before you start chirping about ugly dudes who are really popular, of course there are guys who are special and have wicked personalities or something and lord a room while being 500lbs or something. You don't routinely see land whales walking around with men more attractive than themselves.…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 09:51 PM
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Because manospherians are the ones who invented this uber lame concept. If a feminist calls a girl a slut for sleeping around, wouldn't you point out that, as per her own ideology, that is "slut-shaming" and hypocritical? That doesn't necessarily mean that you have a problem with "slut-shaming". Except it's not against our ideology. You're hedging your bets on my transgression being more hypocritical than yours. It's not. How do I "shame" people for being part of TRP? You can't be serious...Stop…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 09:44 PM
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What leads you to believe you're a 4? You can PM me if you dont' want to say it publicly.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 06:42 AM
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What are you out of 10. Go.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 06:21 AM
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I actually find it a lot more disturbing when attractive women die. I don't know why. Maybe it has to do with ingrained notions of them not supposed to die, natural protection, blah blah blah, but maybe 2 months ago a bunch of good looking girls where dying in my city and it always made me feel weird. I can understand why people would want a subreddit for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 05:42 AM
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That wasn't the premise of his question. Pay attention and answer on topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 05:40 AM
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Yes. One of the few TRP ideological pillars I don't agree with is The Wall. Women win the sexual marketplace pretty much forever, so long as their conception of an alpha is not necessarily the same thing, ie. her idea of what an alpha man is at 20 is naturally not what it's going to be at 55, but much would be similar.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 05:39 AM
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[I'm just going to reply to both replies in this one.] You don't know anything about what I've been through. How could you? All you have to go on is a couple of paragraphs that I wrote. No one needs to know your life story to get an idea of who you are. You literally just divulged the basic scheme of your sexual history and you made it pretty clear it's not analagous to most of those who'd find and use TRP and that you've done quite well for yourself. But you're taking the party scene BS and app…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 05:34 AM
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yea and women have diff standards -____- So? but you said male sexuality What? That's what I said...Either you're a successful male alpha, or you're a relatively unsuccessful male beta. Or you're a natural born loser epsilon.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 05:06 AM
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You think a female 2 can get a male 4 but a male 2 can only get a fellow 2? Yes. Women only ever bang/date up or equal. Men can only bang/date equal or down. These two positions validate each other; the men are dating down and the women are dating up. The men dating down are dating the women dating up. Then, of course, this all ties into basic sexual marketplace mumbo jumbo (girls only want the single best male, males want as many female options as possible, etc etc). Men have ceilings. Women ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 05:06 AM
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Hahaha. Are you joking? All the damn time all over PPD and the manosphere in general. Saying guys who claim to have GTOW who bitch about women incessantly online are probably bitter is muh shaming language according to TRPers. Going on and on about how sluts are all miserable and headed to a life of cats as post-wall hags, otoh, is "logical" and "rational". Maybe. Don't know. Am only responsible for myself and quite frankly, everyone here shames, including you, on a regular basis, so it's a moot…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 04:55 AM
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but attraction is subjective o.O they're clearly not attractive to her Not really. It's more objective than subjective. Some people don't like X, and some people don't like Y, but most people agree what makes someone good looking and what makes someone bad looking. binary? did you mean linear? those aren't likes -__- No, I mean binary. Either you're a successful male alpha, or you're a relatively unsuccessful male beta. Or you're a natural born loser epsilon. ps: i'd like to dedicate this song t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 02:03 AM
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TL;DR: I'm a sexually successful guy who's never had a real problem with women or faced even a quarter of the rejection or pain some of the dudes in TRP have been through so I'm now going to shame them all for attempting to find validation with, what's for many, the only viable option available to them. Mission accomplished. I'm now going to slap myself on the shoulder, shove an apple pie up my butt and live the American dream, standing up for what I believe in, whilst completely ignoring the tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 01:54 AM
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Bangs head on table. There comes a point for men when you probably wouldn't even be able to get it up. No one wants a 1/10. No one. The 4/10 man who's only option is a 1/10 woman is an incel. The 9/10 woman who doesn't want anyone who's not an 16/10 angel from heaven, prince charming sent to rescue her from human men is not an incel because she could get men, and attractive men at that but she doesn't want them. That's not being INVOLUNTARILY celibate, that's VOLUNTARY celibacy. I don't get why …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 01:41 AM
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no, I'm saying they SHOULD be applied differently because they're different situations! I don't want to have sex with any of those guys but men would! Then you're super not an incel. Like, not even at all. Being able to get sex from decent guys and just not wanting them is not incel. Like, not even at all. I did actually get antidepressants since my doctor was actually pretty cool for once! I appreciate the concern (: I'm not so bad. Once you get to know me...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 01:17 AM
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Iiiiinteresting.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 01:16 AM
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First you started this conversation by claiming you're an incel even though you have a boyfriend, and aren't unattractive, then you randomly start talking about apples and oranges and how standards are being applied differently when the standard is entirely objective and you just don't qualify, and then you start claiming I'm perpetuating mythical overtones of boogeyman male oppressiveness... Did you break a leg and get wicked painkillers over the Xmas break or something? Like...if you wanna be …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 01:06 AM
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I will concede that you are correct, however, given the nature of this subreddit, and the incoherency of /u/Those_Who_Remain's original premise, I don't see why this would be relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 01:01 AM
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I feel like I'm getting trolled. Am I getting trolled? Is Ashton Kutcher hiding in my closet?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 12:50 AM
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So you agree you make fun of incels. No...Everyone makes fun of incels. I personally don't because you have to be a massive shithead to make fun of incels. Most people are shitheads. And if you don't understand my last sentence, you're just weird. I understood it. My statement was that it was a poetic way of saying nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 12:47 AM
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I'm not sure what this even really means... :/
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 10:29 PM
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Wh-what? I don't even... This conversation started because you claimed you were an incel. I said you can't be an incel because you're A) a woman who can get decent guys, and B) have a boyfriend which validates point A. There are women who self identify as ugly incel women on this board. You, as far as I'm aware, are not one of them, and from the sounds of it, you could go get sex with a partner of standard attractiveness if you wanted, but you choose not to for whatever reason. This is not an in…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 09:16 PM
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Lol, I find self identified "educated people" horrific to deal with. In any case, how does your first paragraph relate to TRP? To which groups of ideas are you associating this world view to?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 09:12 PM
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When have I or other TRP members here ever, or regularly cried shaming language? If anything, TRP'ers have a much thicker skin, being called names, and having our integrity, or morality insulted on a regular basis by ideological opponents. I've been called every name in the book during civil conversations. I've been banned from subreddits for answering questions... I think it's perfectly valid to "shame" people for blatantly destructive behaviour. You are a TRPer, shaming a man for his sexual ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 09:09 PM
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Do you know how hard it is to be a woman and be below a 5/10? That's not like "I was born ugly :(", that's like you wake up everyday and put a concerted effort into being as unattractive as possible. Over 90% of the women I see on a regular basis (and I commute a LOT) are 6/10+
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 09:03 PM
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No. I stand by my point. RP men seem more disparaging of incel men than any women I've ever met. Rejection as a sexual being/option is a lot more disparaging than a faceless name on the internet telling you you suck. I'm not sure where you're getting "disparaging of incels" though. I am not disparaging of incels at all. An incel man is still worth more than most women IMO and usually a better person. Hell, incel men are usually worth more than other men who who weren't incel to begin with. All t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 08:59 PM
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Depends. If you're a woman, you can probably get a 4 man. If you're a man, the most you can hope for is a 2 woman, but you probably won't get one.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 08:37 PM
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Wat? Please elaborate...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 08:23 PM
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How did you get that from what I said?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 08:22 PM
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When a dog wants to be a cat, that's pathetic. This is PurplePill...everyone here shames regularly, including you. Get off the high horse.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 10:06 AM
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BP'ers are simply non-RP'ers. Saying that they have anything more in common is a misstatement. Being a non-RP'er does not make them immune to their own trends, and RP ideology does not say anywhere that this is the case. Where you got this notion is beyond me. And sexual strategy may be effective, but I don't know and don't really care if it is because it's a crappy thing to do to other people. While it may lead to short-term success, I think most men are ultimately looking for more out of life …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 08:43 AM
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Good to know. I'm now more educated about uretheral insertion. How does this relate to orgies? Do you show up take your clothes off and someone shoves rods down your cock? How does this...transpire?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 08:33 AM
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Anyone can get sex at anytime, if you want to pay for it, or are willing to have sex with people who'd be dead if we still lived on a Pangean tundra. There comes a point when you have to have reasonable expectations. It's reasonable to declare yourself an incel if you can't do better than a 4. Anyone can get a 0.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 08:31 AM
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Because you have so much respect for the RedPill men on this board to begin with. It takes no courage for a BluePill to claim virginity on a Pill debate sub. It takes a lot more courage (yet social ineptitude) to declare yourself an incel while supporting an ideology your ideological opponents deem sociopathic, and victim complex brought about by being a loser in the first place. It's like declaring rich people are shit when you're poor...of course you would.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 08:25 AM
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Ok, but I'm unsure how "i used to be misanthropic" ties into "now I hate ignorance" That would imply knowledge made you like people...?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 06:23 AM
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When you say sounding, you mean urethral insertion correct? And doesn't that ruin your urethral hole? I've seen dudes that are regular sounders and they disfigure their penis.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 06:21 AM
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Lol, I have, I just didn't recognize that line out of context. Shame on me I suppose.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 06:16 AM
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I have. For some reason, that was not a quote that stood out to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 05:53 AM
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Sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 05:52 AM
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[pretends he understands the reference] Yea, totally.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 04:16 AM
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If you are able to partake in human sexuality (dating) albeit at the detriment of actual sex for whatever reason (distance, religion) you're not incel.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 03:38 AM
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There's the rub. The only possible answer is no. Whether I am or not is not even of relevance. The question itself is a very clever trap.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 03:36 AM
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I didn't read your parent. They are correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 03:35 AM
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Then A) be hot, and B) don't be a shithead like all the other basic bitches. It's not complicated.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 03:28 AM
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My original world view was misanthropic, as well. Now, I think I just hate ignorance. How do these two statements validate each other?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 03:26 AM
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You're not really an incel if you can get a boyfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 03:24 AM
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Sounds more painful and pathetic than amazing really, but sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 03:23 AM
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# soundingisawesome Ouch.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 03:21 AM
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BluePill typically reject the conclusions or observed behaviors of women TRP tend to posit. That would be the main different between the two. RP holds women act and think a certain way, and men act and think a certain way. BP people typically propose blank-slatist world views or gender and people and tend to content that sexual strategies are not effective because everyone is a snowflake.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 03:07 AM
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No, more people would admit it in real life because you have allies in real life. No one is your friend on the internet, and given this is a debate sub, it will be used against you in under-handed fashions by ideological opponents. It will be interesting to see who actually admits it though. Time to get my RES tags ready.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 03:02 AM
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No, it is not. The question is perfectly fair given the context of his inquiry.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 03:00 AM
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No, it does not. Involuntary means nothing more than person A wants sex and person A cannot attain sex. The fact that someone was dumb enough to give this 4 upvotes hurts my faith in humanity.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 02:58 AM
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Who would be dumb enough to answer this? If someone was incel and they're on a debate forum about human sexuality, you might as well murder your credibility yourself and leave, lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 02:55 AM
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K, I have an argument. I'm all set. Lets debate. Go.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 02:44 AM
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LOLwat? Either you're the greatest troll of all time, or you have actual psychological issues. ...I never changed my argument. In fact I clarified my argument several times. You also misused "goalpost" fallacy probably because you just heard me say it and don't actually know what it means. You're hilarious. I like you. I hope you stick around for quite some time...I'm literally giggling my ass off.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 01:01 AM
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The Medieval period stretched from 1066 to Henry Tudor's defeat of Richard I I I. Which part are you talking about? That's not relevant. You've continued to move the goal post because you're not as educated on the topic as me, and you're perfectly aware you cannot compete in a debate on the topic. I actually pre-emptively gave you imperial rome which was a much smaller segment of history than medieval england, and a culture which did allow women to make a direct profit, and engage in enterprise,…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/14 11:54 PM
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You're right; I shouldn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/14 09:31 PM
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If that's how you see it, I feel sorry for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/14 09:02 PM
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That's not game, that's social skills. If you know someone is easily manipulated that's not game, that's taking advantage of an obvious weakness (which is also a pretty crappy thing to do to someone you're in a committed relationship with). Game refers to modyfing people's behaviors and beliefs to suit your own. Making a woman who was a stranger 20min ago and thought I was ugly want to ditch her friend to have sex with me now is game. Making my husband (whom I already know, and am in a sexual re…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/14 08:45 PM
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You are not capable of making informed decisions whilst drunk. Things you decide to do are impulse based, not critical thinking based. The entire reason people enjoy being drunk is the removal of critical thinking. Now, many people are aware of the implications of those impulses, like women who have sex with people then regret it later...you can't call that rape. That however, is not the same thing as deciding to drive a vehicle, which is a danger to yourself and everyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/14 08:37 PM
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So are you now proposing that women having careers drives wages down; but women having jobs does not? No. I never stated anything about women having jobs driving the wages down. Why are you frightened of putting your money where your mouth is and naming a time and place? I'd ask you the same question, but ok, sure. Medieval England: The peasants made up the bulk of the medieval population. They were referred to by an eleventh-century bishop of Laon as a class that "owns nothing that it does not …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/14 08:34 PM
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You can get pretty much anything you want out of a guy by being good looking. You don't even have to be super hot, you can be a 6 or 7, put on the little girl act and it works on most guys. The guys you can't control are the guys you'd want (assuming women agree with TRP on this), so using "game" on them is not desirable anyways. If a man can be gamed, he's not alpha. He games you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/14 08:20 PM
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It's a she, FYI. And I'm not sure why she doesn't like art, or women's art. As someone who trained as a traditional artist in animation, I don't agree with her accessments, or opinions on the topic, however, /u/Wolfsouls was attacking her a message she was not delivering.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/14 08:17 PM
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That was someone else's argument. I wouldn't propose that having 2x the taxpayers and 2x the purchasing power in a given economy has tanked the system. That would require a heavy study and anecdotally, I wouldn't agree as I'd say the development of computer automation has probably done more to hurt class spending power than women. Milton Friedman did, however, suggest that women are hurting themselves in the economic system by demanding equal pay for equal work as women do not output equal work …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/14 08:13 PM
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No, drunk people volunteer to drive. Those aren't the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/14 08:02 PM
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Lolwat? My argument was never that no women worked, my argument was that they didn't have independant careers. Secondly, I did literally just proposed the time and place was pretty much everywhere...why would you ask for one place and one time...if you wanna talk about a specific time or date, name it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/14 08:07 AM
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Anytime...the jobs available to women which were not hinged in prostitution where menial, or family oriented, with the father as the head of the household and the primary wage earner. Name your time in history when this wasn't the case...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/14 07:04 AM
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Um...have you taken a history class, like ever?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/14 06:54 AM
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I don't think you understand how pre-industrialized socio-economics works. A work is not a job. Women had work, which involved helping men's careers in which men were compensated for and repaid the women with a roof over their heads and food on their plate. That is not a "job". When women were allowed into the work force, they were typically destined to be secretaries, and other menial positions. You could not be a CEO as a woman in 1950.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/14 06:18 AM
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If you're drunk and someone asks you for 100 bucks, and you say yes, you allowed them to take it. You did not consent, because drunk people can't consent. Those are two different things. He didn't take advantage. He didn't have consent, because she was passed out. Unconscious. Which is rape. That's beside the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/14 06:15 AM
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That's a simple question with an extremely complicated answer. Short answer: no, or else there wouldn't be a community for it. Long answer: yes, because most of their ideology is basically "be hot, don't be a slut".
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/14 06:12 AM
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I never got the concept of "girl game". There is no such thing. be good looking don't be bad looking Is not "game".
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/14 04:26 AM
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A farmer's daughter can deliver a lamb. The Farmer's daughter doesn't have a profession which she is compensated for. The farmer does.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/14 04:23 AM
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Delivering lambs is not a job.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/14 04:09 AM
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The first sexual encounter, in my opinion, would have been rape had she not volunteered for a second encounter. After having volunteered to have sex with him, sober, in the morning, it's now gone from rape to "I got pass out drunk and allowed a guy to take advantage of me". Also keep in my mind people still talk while drunk, so I doubt he just ripped her pants off and stuck it in. He was probably being a scumbag knowing she can't really consent and what she's saying is gibberish, but if he asked…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/14 04:09 AM
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That is self improvement. Going from nothing to a something is improvement.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/14 01:28 AM
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Oh. No. That's the wrong book.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/14 01:27 AM
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Those are not "jobs". Most of those types of jobs were performed by servants or slaves. You're jumping around through history. If you're talking about 1700-2014, women certainly did not tend to have jobs and once they got jobs, they tended not to work whilst their husband made the income to support the family. If you're talking about the medieval or iron age societies, few women worked for profit. If the women were staying at home, say, acting as basket weavers, it would have been more than like…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/14 01:27 AM
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RedPillers are aware people don't like RedPillars. Being or accepting of sociopaths is preferable to leading a life of constant rejection, and sexual frustration, considering there is no alternative for many.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/14 12:32 AM
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The society in Brave New World valued industrialization, forcibly increased production to meet industrialization, created people from test-tubes to serve specific societal purposes and classes, brainwashed children into desiring and performing the task they were breed into with no desire for self improvement, and erased the concept of sexual choice by making it a cultural faux-pas to refuse sex from whomever asks, and thereby eliminating depression, and the concept of unhappiness. How is what sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/14 12:31 AM
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He regularly provides interesting sources. The issue with his posts is they are A), mired in his subjective interpretation of those sources he's proposing as the source's objective position, and B) he's not typically willing to concede another source has contradicted his own. He posted a pretty hard hitting thread a while back about women's desires in men and men's desires in women, which was fairly difficult to argue against, even though I'm a firm believe that such studies are typically faux-s…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/14 10:21 PM
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I don't think you've read A Brave New World... :/. The messages in that book propose the opposite of what she's talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/14 10:12 PM
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None of this has anything to do with what /u/homo_homini_lupus is talking about/aluding to; that is not the social commentary she is making.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/14 10:08 PM
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Women have most certainly not always worked in any context other than single women, and households have most certainly not always needed a double income.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/14 10:01 PM
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provide some scientific evidence that high quality women tolerate plating (i.e. that red pill methods work on high quality women) Those are two different things. If you want evidence of plating not stopping people from being sexually successful, look up any partner count study you want. Putting aside that partner count studies are faux-science, the single and only reliable conclusion is that promiscuous men and promiscuous women pretty much have non-stop sex with each other regularly. But I can …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/14 09:50 PM
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I said men don't care about emotional stability as long as he has superior options...insinuating that if the relationship is a hook up, it doesn't matter because he'll never see her again. If it's for a relationship, and he has superior options, of course he's not going to want an emotionally unstable woman, but if the man has no options, beggars cannot be choosers. 1 woman is better than 0 women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/14 09:44 PM
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source? Source for your request for a source? That's about as much sense as your demand for a source makes. It's blatant common sense. You then go on to contradict yourself... someone else here said red pills are always saying don't hook up with crazy women. Men with options are advised not to hook up with crazy women. Also, "crazy" and anxious are not the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/14 05:56 AM
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Two weeks ago, you made a post attacking TRP ideology on something, and after a 30sec Google searched, I proved you wrong and you refused to admit that your argument was even sufficiently challenged, let alone incorrect. TRP's are certainly not the only ones mired in anecdotal meaninglessness, nor are the only ones unwilling to admit they are incorrect. Furthermore, this... i would encourage everyone to read the text of the full study here where it's clear that the kind of women that will for sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/14 11:06 PM
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Men do not particularly care about emotional stability, so long as he has other superior options. If your argument is that TRP'ers associate with low quality women, because they themselves are low quality, you're not contradicting yourself philosophically. Their emotional instability would not be a dealbreaker to a low quality man; in fact, he may enjoy it because it allows him to feel superior, or masculine as he can likely deal with her emotions better than she can. Also, as I said before, the…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/14 11:02 PM
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As in, a decline of society? That'd be a pretty hard topic to nail down...
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/14 09:41 PM
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... What are you talking about? A decline to what? Whom? About what? How is "a decline" in any of those things being defined. I could define a decline in education the increase of teacher to student ratios and post 100 studies on that...
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/14 09:40 PM
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You're getting pretty high on your horse in regards to scientific grounding for a guy who posts studies and writes submissions largely tarnished and deeply bathed in non-sequitur, and personal interpretation. You provide the subreddit with some very interesting conversation pieces...even caused me to re-evaluate some beliefs, but, attacking others for "self bias and delusion based off anecdotal evidence" on the basis of civilized scientific grounding is the pot calling the kettle black. Cut that…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/14 09:27 PM
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seems like women who can't get men to commit (presumably because they are lower quality, less attractive) are more emotionally wrecked/unstable and frequently 'test' their partners The paragraph did not propose this. You're putting words in their mouth. They suggested that women who accept liberal sexual morality still did not feel good about themselves when engaging in liberal sexual moral acts. They wanted emotional investment and sexually liberal men gave less investment than women typically …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/14 09:08 PM
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No one is good relationship material. Whether or not someone wants a relationship with you depends on whatever value you bring that person and whether or not that positive value outweighs your negative value. If a woman only cares that the man is hot, she's not going to care he doesn't have a job, etc. The only question is whether or not you're attractive to the general population of the opposite sex, which reading through this thread, most people have answered this question and not made the dis…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/14 08:57 PM
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Your question is makes no sense. What are you talking about? A decline to what? Whom? About what?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/14 08:55 PM
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Because there are other aspects of this sub that help me refine my thoughts. Such as?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/14 08:54 PM
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But so are you. In fact, you're self admittantly rather proud of being one-dimensional, and so is most of your gender. Why would you be disappointed to find men don't respect women? (not that I agree with your premise; devil's advocate)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/14 08:46 PM
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Eh, I am saying this as a guy. First off. Oh. I have you tagged as a woman. That would explain a lot. Alternative theory, but people who call themselves "incels" generally look at themselves as unattractive as a result of valuing themselves based on partner count. Interesting. Have you considered though, the reverse? That people who identify as "incels" value themselves based on partner count because their partner count is 0, or close to 0, and therefore, logic would suggest he musn't be worth m…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/14 05:51 PM
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I mean, based on what most people I know say, they believe that a person's worth is based on the quality of their character, not on how many people they have been with. Interesting. I would not agree with the premise that a person's character is the same as their worth. They may contribute to one another, but a person may have a strong character, and little worth the way I see it. Bill Gates may be an awful human being (let's say...), whilst at the same time, having a very high worth considering…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/14 05:46 PM
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So, I'm curious how this plays a role in a practical sense in your life. I mean, sure, I see your logic, but how does this relate to real life, or TRP?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/14 05:41 PM
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So, what is better than what?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/14 06:36 AM
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No, because that's not the argument I proposed.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/14 12:40 AM
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You are isolated. It shows in the way you reply.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/14 12:39 AM
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Can you offer an argument as to how my position is incorrect? Because I don't see one.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 06:42 AM
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I have no idea how you live in American and haven't came to this conclusion...this is common knowledge, even amongst women, and some women's groups.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 05:39 AM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 01:21 AM
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I mean, if you're Isaac Newton, no, of course no one cares about your partner count. I do find it peculiar, however, that it is almost exclusively women who feel this notion is archaic or inaccurate, whilst they probably reject incels regularly. If you've ever rejected a guy for not being attractive, you cannot at the same time propose that a man's worth, as a sexual, and masculine being isn't directly tied to his partner counter (ignoring voluntary celibacy)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 01:17 AM
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Lolwat? It's common sense....I've stated it a lot to many people and I rarely encounter people who disagree... Are you (being a woman...) attempting to propose that an incel's worth, as a man, is no less than an alphas?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 01:10 AM
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tagged and bagged.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 01:01 AM
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Women are certainly glorified in the subtext, and sometimes, the actual text of our culture. It may not be prevelent in your church, but it's certainly the reality we live in if you're in the Americas. Europe, not so much, except for Britain.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 12:58 AM
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I don't think this is an accurate observation at all. Sex is always paramount in a man's mind and in male culture. The worth of a male, as an individual is both culturally, and realistically, directly tied to his sexual partner count. One can argue TRP removes the person behind the vagina, but I would propose one cannot argue is replacing the person with an idolized vagina; the vagina was already there.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 12:50 AM
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Women want alphas. A guy who idolizes a woman is not an alpha. Women want want to be the ones worshipping him.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 12:47 AM
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I honestly have a hard time believing you. That's all. We can agree to disagree. Believing what? I'm not really proposing a belief. That's you. I'm question how your beliefs relate to reality because you obviously believe you have a more realistic interpretation of reality than I do, where as I believe my interpretation is far more realistic than yours. You think style improvements do nothing. No I don't. I think style improvements on an incel do nothing. A 6 that dresses like garbage has everyt…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 12:40 AM
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So basically, you believe that some races are superior to others? I understand few people outside the US are aware of the history of USSR intrusion into US politics before and after WW2, so i understand why you scoff at the connection between obama and stalin, but it is a direct connection I think that would be an area of contention that would not be productive for either of us, unfortunately.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 12:28 AM
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Show me an incel who dresses well and grooms well. I've known quite a few actually. At least two off the top of my head. I could probably get a few more if I really sat and thought. They don't exist. Incels don't believe in makeovers. That sentence makes about as much sense as "fat people don't believe in losing weight". Lolwut? What are you saying...? It's not a matter of believing in anything other than one's self, which is there is no reason too...it's a matter of pragmatism. It's not defeati…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 01:53 AM
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They are labels created by people who need to feel superior about something, no matter how mundane it is. It's petty. It's a statement of fact. The fact that it's petty is inconsequential. You do exactly the same thing, when you deem people attractive or unattractive, you just didn't re-label them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/14 04:43 PM
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I believe in HBD Hot Boy Drama? What's HBD? lol just FIND me one lol One of the magic things about the internet has been FINALLY finding a cache of WOMEN who agree with me so i can have som goddamned girl talk with people i dont despise because of their politics What politics do you hate and what is the general trend of your beliefs as a libertarian? When people declare themselves Libertarian, I imagine them as Glenn Beck talking bollocks with and drawing chalkboard connections between Obama and…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/14 04:36 PM
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Because I don't understand how or why you believe this is of significance. Let me put it like this...I agree, if you dress like a 5yr old, and then dress really really well, your SMV will improve, but if you're an ugly troll who's SMV is, like, a 3/10, and you let GQ dress you, you'll go up to, let's say, 4.5 at best, which is still not good enough for women to take an interest. Even if he lost a bunch of weight, he'd be, lets say, a 5.5 or a 6/10 which is still not good enough to be matching on…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/14 04:15 PM
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Equating crappy labels that some dudes on the internet made up to put others down in order to feel superior with how tests are scored is a false equivalency. Not really,..at all. Beta and alpha essentially are short hands for "attractive/unattractive" and are encompassing a collection of behaviors or mindsets that are either attractive or unattractive. If most of your mindsets and behaviors are unattractive, you're beta, and vis-versa. The possibility of someone making it up to feel better than …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/14 07:55 PM
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My other reply to you pretty much covers all 3 of your arguments. http://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/2poipy/an_alternative_testable_hypothesis_to_8020/cn0o4cr
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/14 07:38 PM
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I wouldn't say that. By definition, most of the population has to be average. If you personally consider the average ugly, that's your personal opinion, but being attractive most certainly isn't easy or everyone would do it considering how badly most people wanna fuck hotties of either gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/14 07:37 PM
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What are your personal feelings on your own gender? I'm genuinely curious. You sometimes come off self-hating, but I can't imagine you don't enjoy being a wombyn.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/14 07:34 PM
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Lol, you proposing "beta bux"? Who are you, and what have you done with /u/GridReXX? You're right that until recently women couldn't economically survive without men, but that doesn't really mean much. Humans are really good at two things: oppressing other people of different walks of life, and punishing people who oppressed them. History is basically a perpetual story of an oppressed becoming an oppressor, and being overthrown themselves. What were men to do had 50% of the population rebelled a…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/14 07:04 PM
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Are you making this argument because you legitimately think grooming makes up for an unattractive body, or are you just really attracted to X[where X is a beard], which would be similar, but very different arguments, which I find BP women often, go around telling men all they need is X, and it will make up for numerous deficiencies, and leads to Nice Guy<sup>tm</sup> syndrome.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/14 06:47 PM
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I know it's the patriarchy's fault right? Well why does a fucking patriarchy even exist? Isn't it weird that an entire gender is able to run shit for most if not all of human history? That's what I've never understood about Feminism/Patriarchy theory. If it's true, an the entire female gender is perfectly aware, and voluntarily allows themselves to be subjugated for 5000 years, it says more to women being a giant collection of do-nothing pussies (no pun intended) than to men being oppressive dic…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/14 06:24 AM
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If I recall correctly, Newton had psychological dispositions of something or other and didn't like women. He was a voluntary celibate. Note: Could be wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/14 06:21 AM
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Even though this post that appears to have been made in light-hearted humour and in contention with the sub's sometimes depressing tone, it is so oozing in ignorant condescension, you just end up sounding like an r-tard.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/14 06:18 AM
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And you've never seen fashionable hipsters? A lot of them are frail and skinny fat, but the well groomed hair and beards and impeccable style makes up for it hundred fold. Lanky hipsters wear clothes that suit lanky hipsters. I actually know more than one attractive hipster, so I get to see this in action. You appear to be doing that thing women do where they hold up the one of two good exceptions in a sea of unattractive generality to support an argument. Being a hipster doesn't make you good l…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/14 03:32 AM
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I forgive you, babe.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/14 01:54 AM
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If you care about income disparity, you don't fix it by giving the rich tax breaks.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/14 08:30 PM
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If you're really an incel, you're not fixing 20 something years of failure and unattactiveness in months. You don't sound like someone who actually started at the bottom.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/14 08:59 PM
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If you're not already competitive enough for the average woman, save for some corrections in your approach or nice guy mentality, there is no practical difference; my actual point still stands.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/14 08:55 PM
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I don't think not wanting to compete has anything to do with feminism. We live in a society were for once we don't actually have to. Who would want to compete? Especially for these modern women... Sure, I'd love to be fucking a pornstar, but not if it means never setting foot outside a gym or knowing if I was beta for even a single day, hour, conversation, she'd drop me. The only people who would want to complete are the guys already winning. Why would an smv4 want to complete just for the chanc…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/14 05:48 PM
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If you're an smv4 for example, you're not going to get anywhere in a few months; it will likely take years. He actually has a point... Is better to get something not and trade up later assuming you don't end up actually really liking her.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/14 05:42 PM
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1). They could start by getting rid of the beta/gamma/sigma labels, they'll only breed feelings of failure. Have you considered that the label doesn't change the failure? This suggestion is like suggesting we should get rid of the numbers below 50 so people who fail a test don't get upset. Dress better/shower regularly/develop personal hygiene. Nobody really gives a fuck if you dress better if you don't have the body to wear it, so this is misdirected/filler advice IMO. Get hobbies. Boring peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/14 06:30 AM
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When you can use the exact same response on a victim of rape who had her face burned off with acid for resisting, or other such crimes, you know your advice is nebulous and carries no value... Can you explain how any of the vagaries you listed are tangible, and negative at the same time in a real and constructive fashion?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/14 06:20 AM
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I've come to realize, pretty much everything comes from physical appearance. Being beta seems to consist of only two problems. 1) you look bad 2) you act bad The first can be corrected by nutrition, exercise and clothing, although if you've lived a life of neglecting these things, it's unlikely you'll be able to fix them anytime soon, or at all. The second one is almost entirely up to the person. If you're a Nice Guy<sup>tm,</sup> ...stop. If you're too mean...stop. If you have no friends, why d…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/14 06:16 AM
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the research on personality changeability would suggest that's unlikely. people don't tend to make huge character changes. It's not that huge a character change. It's consciously opting to make one decision over another. I see people do it literally all the time. I'd love to see any of this research because that sounds extremely weird to claim...I will agree 100% an anime nerd is highly unlikely to become a jock, but being altruistic one day, realizing it sucks and considering changing your atti…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/14 06:11 AM
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I can see where you're coming from, although that raises an important point...the chode on the football team with the leather jacket and a drug problem is already doing fine for himself. He really doesn't need TRP and probably doesn't deserve it in the first place. The kind of people that need TRP don't really need TRP to know TRP. I was vaguely TRP before I found TRP...these kinds of people tend to find TRP on their own, or at least PUA. I'm all for helping men, but not if it's not directed at …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/14 05:37 AM
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No you can't. Very few men actively slut shame, and most of the slut shaming issue has to do with not liking women who've fucked like 100 guys, not 6.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/14 05:17 AM
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Historically it seems like it actually was pretty difficult for a lot of men; now not so much. The difficult part was getting a wife, not having a baby. I think it would have been relatively easy to get a wife in most cultures prior to, like, 1800's.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/14 01:30 AM
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If you say so.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 05:23 PM
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MGTOW is not about marriage at all, it's about leaving the game because the deck is hopelessly stacked and you probably aren't attractive enough to compete.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 08:11 AM
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That's fine. It's not hard to reproduce. Eventually old, unattractive people settle. THe 80/20 is more apparent in younger people in their prime looking for modern, liberal, sexual interactions. Although, historically, only about 40% of men reproduced with 85% of women which has been verified with genetic testing, which can't be ignored.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 04:14 AM
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A person is smart. People are borderline retarded. You have a lot of faith in the masses ability to see a tree through a forest.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 11:33 PM
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That would depend on your definition of progressive. "sometimes....................you gotta go backwards..........................to go forwards"~ matthew mcconaughey, the legend of our time.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 11:30 PM
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This argument has been debunked several times. If you do not adjust for women sharing the same alpha males, you can have similar average partner counts and N counts but in reality, have largely varying sexual experiences for either gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 09:59 PM
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A one night stand and an LTR both hinge on attraction and are not particularly any different. If you're not attractive enough a partner for an ONS, you likely have no hope of an LTR either, at least for men. Women being 50% of the population has no bearing on what they're willing to "buy" on the sexual marketplace.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 09:57 PM
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It should be pointed out, genetic testing proves it's more like 80/35%.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 09:51 PM
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It's a question for BluePills. Obviously it doesn't apply to you then.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 09:50 PM
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They are extremely progressive for men. They are extremely conservative for women. I really have no idea why a woman would want to be a RPW considering how awesomely stacked the BluePill game is for women in our modern culture. I've heard the argument that it's for acquiring a true 10/10 alpha, but frankly, unless you're Alessandra Ambrosio, he's not going to choose you, and there are enough high quality men that wouldn't care about most RPW focuses that RPW is not really required.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 09:49 PM
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one common measure for selfishness is Low Big Five Agreeableness/Accommodation scores. Agreeableness measures one's tendency to be compassionate and cooperative rather than suspicious and antagonistic towards others. Red pillers tend to come off as suspicious and antagonistic. do you disagree? I would agree, but I would contend they are not that way be nature; they tend to arrive at TRP because they attempted to live an altruistic/agreeable life and found their needs, desires, or emotions went u…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 09:41 PM
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I don't think TRP is supposed to make you a better person, or make you happy. It does what it says it does: gets you laid. Doesn't mean you will be happy. Your point was that TRP would help young people. I said it won't. It will destroy their character and cause the guys who can't envision themselves as alphas even more beta and hopeless and turn the guys who have even an inkling of dominance into overbearing chodes who fuck your girlfriend. It doesn't matter if TRP says nothing about anything o…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 09:28 PM
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I think you're making taking a lot of minute details and deciding they're all the same. Lots of men care, and just aren't in a position to push that preference on women because they're aren't attractive enough to have standards. Lots of guys care, but are perfectly willing to fuck or date a high N count woman, just not commit to in marriage, or bring home to mom. Some guys genuinely don't care, but I do not believe they are the majority. I've never met a man who didn't care. Some men simply have…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 09:24 PM
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MRA is pretty much already trying that. It's not working so well. If men actually wanted to take back their dignity, we'd have to do it by force.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 09:00 PM
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I'm sure some certainly do. I'm not a die-hard RedPill on that front as much as others are, but that's never been my impression of TRP. TRP, it seems to me, is more concerned with women thinking their n count shouldn't matter, or shaming dudes who care, which is something I do care about because women having a higher n count is a massive red flag for me
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 09:39 AM
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I hear bisexuals were created by satan to temp us off the true and righteous path. You monster.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 09:30 AM
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:S
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 08:23 AM
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I really have no idea what you're asking, whether you're being sarcastic, or how I'd even begin interpreting your question.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 08:02 AM
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Lol, that's not that bad actually. Obviously it's illegal, but the way you were talking made it sound like he was 32.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 07:28 AM
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Anyone with RES can violate that rule without punishment.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 07:22 AM
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You're so zesty these days. Meow ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 07:18 AM
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Or, he just thought you were cool, and being a conventionally unattractive man, probably thought you were something special for liking him. You make it sound as if he should have known better than to get with a 14yr old who was apparently out of his league, lawl...You have such a peculiar outlook on humanity and life. How old was he?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 06:42 AM
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Depends exactly what kind of social justice warrior we're talking about. You could call TRP social justice warriors because it's a community bringing truth to a group that self identifies as oppressed by the female gender. I respect social justice warriors actually standing up for something in a world of losers who stand for nothing and the intellectually lazy who snicker and snipe at ideas and concepts they know nothing about. That doesn't mean I agree with what they're "warrior'ing" for.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 06:36 AM
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How is that "taking advantage of your naivete"?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 06:22 AM
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Interesting opinion. I'm not sure if I agree...if anything TRP would make a lot of people horrible individuals. I mean reading this thread, I'm semi-disgusted with the character of the posters here, and a lot them are giving stories that would be fine by TRP philosophy. You have to use TRP responsibly and have the emotional intelligence to interpret it's language and logic correctly to be a better person with it and I don't think that's something most people would be able to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 06:09 AM
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As determined by what? And why did you get with them in the first place?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 06:03 AM
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Fetishizing virginity and disliking sluts are different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 08:40 PM
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My point stands. Few guys here care to the extent that TRPers do, unless the woman is extremely slutty and has a reputation. Otherwise, you likely won't even be asked. If it somehow comes out, it's only an issue if her number is higher than his. If a woman has never been asked, none of her friends have been asked, and they all manage to date/marry men, we have no reason to think it matters as much some dudes on the internet claim it does. Good for you. And they are? Beggars can't be choosers The…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 07:24 AM
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I know girls with high partner counts. A few of them have serious boyfriends; one is engaged. I've never heard of anyone being rejected because she's slept with too many men. Most men just don't ask. Non sequitur. I don't know any men that wouldn't ask. The fetishisation of virginity is non-existent here. RP'ers don't fetishize virginity. Men in the 'sphere are a self-selected group, not representative, and they're definitely more obsessed with it than men in general. As I've said, I don't know …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 06:07 AM
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99.9% of women claim men who care about partner count are worthless losers anyway, so no, she's not losing anything. Second, you've established your objective opinion of what partner count qualifies as "normal, healthy" and used it as an objective counter-argument. Nope.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 05:56 AM
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Birds of a feather.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 05:52 AM
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There are only about 3 active RedPill posters that act as "community champions" other than myself, and of them, I would say 1 sounds like a legit alpha and the other 2 probably do better than they're beta/orbiter friends but aren't burning any panties. There's a difference between TRP's who believe TRP because they think it's valid and TRP's who believe TRP because they have a vested interest in it (because they're alpha and it's convenient for them). I would not say the men on this forum are th…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 01:18 AM
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Beggars can't be choosers syndrome. Men value getting laid far too much to really put much thought into STI unless the woman looks unhygienic or is known to be extremely promiscuous and is known for having something.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 01:16 AM
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You're hot, in your heart 17b29a...you're hot in your heart.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 12:35 AM
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Thanks Botman ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 12:34 AM
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Don't you have a hot boyfriend or something you talk about all the time? I thought you were supposed to be some hot chick (because all women on the internet are 10/10) and you had a hot boyfriend because that only makes sense and you had a lot of beliefs regarding how your relationship works that were contrary to TRP?? I'm confused.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 12:09 AM
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Because he doesn't want to compete with any other man. Even ones well in the past. Because that's the issue it comes down to with men who care. I care and I have no qualms about being compared to previous partners. If she likes me, I'm clearly worthy, at least, on paper. And don't post the study list alright? Most men who dislike it have no informed reasons. They just want an innocent naive damsel. I don't think you really know much about this topic because most men certainly do not want an inno…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 12:07 AM
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That's basically what I meant by settling. They will lower their standards if it means getting sex. But I don't think you "get" it because it's not about settling, or lowering standards. The standard is "is she alive? Is she not disgusting? K, cool, pound town". Beggars cannot be choosers. The only men that have any real "standard" are upper echelon men who can leverage sexual choice with their available options. Even if the woman is far from the type they ideally want. On the other hand most wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/14 11:59 PM
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This... Personally I am puzzled that you can go around convinced that women only value sex from extremely high value men, while at the same time admitting you're confused by why women would risk catching something by having sex (with presumably lower value men, since they have an STD). Is not coherent. Wanting sex with high value men doesn't have anything really to do with fearing STDs. Personally I am puzzled that you can go around convinced that women only value sex from extremely high value m…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/14 11:41 PM
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Where does disliking promiscuity come from? An insecurity about having to compete, or an insecurity about her MAYBE having an STD, or an insecurity about her being noncommittal All of those are legitimate concerns. Pretending they are everyone else being insecure is immature and transparent as fuck. That's like people that call people who have reservations about homosexuals/homosexuality closeted gays themselves. I mean if you yourself perceive your own promiscuity in the same light, then I have…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/14 11:36 PM
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That's a remarkable degree of character, amongst a forum full of basic-bitches we have here. Impressive.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/14 11:33 PM
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Are you not friends because of this in particular?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/14 08:45 PM
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I knew a girl who branch swung something fierce. Albeit it was not entirely sexual, it was more of an attention/validation/daddy issue thing, but some sexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/14 08:44 PM
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I would say "settle" is an attempt to be...belittling of male sexuality when it's not accurate. Settling implies you could easily do better, but volunteered not to. This is often not men's M.O. Men take what they can get, and only get the privilege of sexual choice and control over their sex lives when they have reached alpha/near alpha status.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/14 08:37 PM
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A woman can get sex on demand from just about anyone she wants. Why would she risk an STD for it? Women enjoy sex; they do not value it with males who are not perfect specimens.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/14 08:32 PM
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what do you think political polling is other than the self reporting of one's candidate preference? are you saying that political polling is NEVER accurate? Those two things are false dichotomies. A political pole is largely pride driven, and the respondant has few objective choices. You're either down with Obama or you're not. You either are a hardcore fan of Mitt Romney, or you're on the fence. Asking someone, say, how many sexual partners they have is asking them to A) put aside their pride, …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/14 08:28 PM
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I corrected my statement in a reply to another poster. I should not have said women don't want to fuck. Obviously women enjoy sex just as much as men...the difference being women are perfectly cool to hold out for only the top echelon of men, where as men are thirsty for any decent woman who's chill, and down for it. Men's issue of course being that getting any woman is difficult, where as women can get most men, except commitment from the men they'd actually want.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/14 08:05 PM
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Women enjoy sex, no doubt, but they are not driven to spread their seed like men are. They are validated by finding 1 quality man, not literally every decent woman. I probably shouldn't have said "women aren't driven to fuck"; they are. Just not like men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/14 08:02 PM
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why do you equate disliking promiscuity with insecurity?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/14 07:57 PM
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Why are you equating concern over partner count with misogyny and/or insecurity?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/14 07:55 PM
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Seeing as you appear to be the only woman in this thread stating you both acknowledge it matters and have concerns, how many partners do you have and when did you start considering it? Did you never think it was something most people, men and women would judge you for?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/14 07:54 PM
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Men are driven to fuck. Women are not. It's puzzling to wonder why a woman would forgo that risk to get something that most women wouldn't be validated by. Men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/14 07:42 PM
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Wondering why men don't seem concerned about it real life is like wondering why McDonalds doesn't tell you what's actually in their food. It wins you nothing and loses you something. I know women who have had over 100 partners and while the men in her surroundings think she's hot and would bang her no questions asks, they are skeeved out by her. Why would they ever vocalize that emotion to her...?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/14 07:38 PM
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Putting aside that my other comment to you in this thread demonstrates your premise to be false, or at least a non-issue, your logic would only make sense if A) all other aspects of a man's personality were less attractive than his altruism, B) if we use an objective definition of "helpfulness", and C) if all women valued "helpfulness" above validation, which they certainly wouldn't. You're also ignoring that TRP has no desire for active long term mating, and by your own agreement, selflessness …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/14 07:20 PM
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some self reports have biases, it depends, and there is a lot of research on that topic so researchers tend to know what topics yield better or worse data. your assertion that what women self report as being attractive is unreliable is baseless. Only via your own conjecture and unadmittant bias. Self reporting will never be accurate as it's inherently unscientific. It relies on trusting the information a free agent gives you, not observable phenomenon that can be demonstrated to be consistent. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/14 07:08 PM
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I mean, she's not horrible, but she's not attractive. A man of his means, talent, and fame could do better.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/14 03:24 PM
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and that is based on what evidence? I've found two studies that contradict your own within 30 seconds of google searching. The first suggests after happiness is achieved, selfishness is prone to follow. The second suggests selfishness does cause greater happiness as long as guilt is not involved. http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18585-happiness-aint-all-its-cracked-up-to-be.html#.VI2kZTHF-So http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2218144/Being-selfish-really-does-make-happy-long-avo…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/14 03:23 PM
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Because it was correct. You're simply misunderstanding the context. Women value Ryan Gosling. If Ryan Gosling had 100 partners, he would not be any less desirable. He'd likely be more desirable for a myriad of well understood subconscious reasons (preselection, value, etc). Therefore women value man-whores as people; they do not value the act of man-whoring. Consciously, I'm sure they find it repulsive because that's what society teaches them to think. Attractive people can have a lot of partner…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/14 02:43 PM
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I read through your conversation with /u/notsuremustthink and you are incorrect. Albeit, you have a good point, but the research is not a counter-argument to what /u/notsuremustthink is proposing as a criticism, and even if it was, it's well understood that people rarely plan for long term happiness and assisting or giving other people stuff is A) selfish in nature and B) provides immediate gratification.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/14 02:37 PM
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I don't think many men would agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/14 05:38 AM
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Plates are FWB. That's entirely different. No one is being used. Both parties are mutually satisfied objectively. A plate is not inherently derogatory. being a woman's orbiter is a place of pity, not mutual satisfaction. You're making a separate argument for separate things. A friend who ends up liking you is not an orbiter, and the way you define the manner in which you treat them doesn't make it or you any better. Furthermore, the manner in which you treat your friends after realizing they lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/14 02:52 AM
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No, they are not. Your friend is your friend who offers value to your life beyond buying you things and acting as a value sponge which is equally returned by you. Guys you keep around for value sponging, and compliments when the alpha dumps you when you know full well he wants you sexually are not your friend. If you think those two things are one in the same i feel tremendous empathy for your male friends and I would be mortified if I knew my friend goes on reddit, calls me her "orbiter" and ta…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/14 01:41 AM
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You are not friends with orbiters, that's why they're called "orbiters". Let's not get into pretending we are discussing things we are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/14 01:23 AM
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Depends. If she's passed out, yes. If she's lucid, she is more than likely capable of consenting to sex. We all know what it feels like to be drunk and very few people get drunk enough to not consent to something like sex when asked/initiated. In the case that both parties have been drinking, it cancels itself out as they'd be raping each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 11:43 PM
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Wear nothing but black and use few words. Then, you can pretend you're out of A Brave New World and you won't feel so bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 11:35 PM
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Late reply, but your logic doesn't follow for me. If you posit (and im playing devil's advocate) that looks are all that matter, and he sucks now because he brings little to the table, isn't paying for surgeory a much better investment to get women to tolerate his failings than trying to be the king pubba that brings lots of tangible value to the table that would require large investments in time, energy and skill? This seems to be the same argument that people make for prositutes; ie. it makes …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 10:53 PM
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You're hamstering in circles so as not to have to take any responsibility for treating men badly. In any event, it's not like you get to choose when to be a unicorn. Shitty people are shitty people; it doesn't matter if you're nice to one guy and treat another like shit. A true alpha male will judge you all the same. I would also imagine not being a shithead is something most people would care about, but I suppose it's different for women; why not be a shithead?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 09:54 PM
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Again, this is not a substantive excuse or counter argument. If you have a substantial amount of social power/sex appeal and you know you have orbiters who are unskilled in attempting to court your attractions (or in your case, just aren't hot as you've described yourself a shallow and a bitch) then the moral and ethical onus is entirely on you and your behavior. Telling him with your mouth he has no chance means nothing if you keep letting him buy you dinner and drive you home after going to so…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 09:04 PM
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By feminist standards, no Western country is a patriarchy because women -- as a group -- aren't oppressed by men -- as a group. Nor is society set up to privilege men at the expense of women. Whether or not women are excluded from positions of power is debatable. By commonly accepted sociological/anthropological definitions, EVERY society is a patriarchy and a matriarchy has never existed. There's no way you could describe the Anglosphere as a bunch of matriarchies. Only if I accept Feminist pre…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 08:58 PM
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Oh, then yea, likely. That woman is shockingly far below his league. Omega is more about what things say about you than just being able to look at a guy. It's possible this guy just really likes women most guys find unattractive, and is still alpha. I have sexual preferences my friends don't like...that doesn't really say anything about me.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 07:58 PM
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No, RedPill suggests socially altruism is strongly linked to unattractiveness and incels. If you're Ryan Gosling, you can be as altruistic as you like and still be alpha. If you're an overweight, jobless loser, being altruistic is a poor use of time and effort. The study concludes altruistic guys do better with women. It conveniently ignores that altruism does not have anything to do with attraction, therefore, these guys who do so well must concurrently also be attractive in some way, which bri…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 07:57 PM
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Everything about this gender discussion save for Feminism is reactionary to RedPill. I don't quite see what the relevance of that is.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 07:53 PM
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Agreed, but how often do women do this when it's blatantly obvious their male friend is sexually interested and they are perfectly aware? Practically never. It's far more convenient to manipulate orbiters into thinking if they buy one more meal, or pay one more bill for her, or be her emotional tampon one more time, it will be the straw that broke that camel's back. That counter-argument is like women who attempt to make amends for sexist expectations of men paying for dates by proposing "whoeve…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 07:51 PM
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My mom says I'm a pretty cool guy. Edit: No one will get this joke :(
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 09:20 AM
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Unselfish men are also probably simply more attractive and have no inherent need to focus on themselves, or develop inferiority complexes that would cause overriding feelings of egocentrism, so that conclusion's relevance, while interesting, can be pretty easily reasoned away as far as this discussion is concerned.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 09:19 AM
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PunchingMorpheus is a sane version of BluePill. How is it "too linked to TRP"?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 09:16 AM
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Punching Morpheus isn't really a "thing". They're just a more poetic, and less vitriolic version of the BluePill. They don't offer anything insightful.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 09:14 AM
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A manipulator and he who is manipulated are not at equal fault. If this was philosophically coherent, our justice, banking, and civil system would be extraordinarily different. This is simply a convenient justification for those who manipulate (ie. many women, and seemingly, you)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 09:09 AM
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Lol. I'll leave you to continue hamstering in peace. Take notes boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 06:41 AM
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Frivolous reasons like cheating on him with his best friend?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 05:52 AM
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This is a lot of emotional bias speaking and not much reasoning behind it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 05:46 AM
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Depends what definition you're using. Someone just informed me that the modern TRP use of "omega" is just an incel. I've never seen it used that way. I've only ever seen omega refer to males that were not beta, but where also not alpha.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 04:18 AM
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By this definition, would Hugh Jackman be omega? Yes. He is the second popular example of an omega. From my understanding of TRP theory, omega = sexless incel. Maybe TRP changed their usage. I have never seen omega used that way. External TRP sources do not use it that way, but oh well.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 04:13 AM
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The definition of "omega male" is certainly not "dudes 200lbs and ugly". As I said, the typical use of "omega" is social rejects/lone wolfs either voluntarily or involuntarily. It's not about ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 04:12 AM
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lolwat? Stephen Colbert is a pretty good looking man. I've heard many women say they are attracted to him. They've had AskWomen threads about him.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 01:50 AM
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I don't know who that is.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 01:50 AM
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This is not the same as not knowing what they want. It's two sides of the same coin in my experience. Women can neither communicate what might be attractive in theory, nor do they actually have any idea what, in theory, would be attractive, hence you have guys going to girls for dating advice and getting "be nice", "just be yourself", "learn to empathize with women" and other nebulous garbage as feedback. She may say she wants a nice guy but end up banging the jerk but she probably wouldn't go s…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 01:34 AM
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As far as I'm aware, there are two different definitions of omega male in "pill" philosophy. Either a misanthrope who's decided humanity in general sucks and just does whatever he wants, whenever he wants, or someone who would otherwise be alpha if he wasn't voluntarily beta, and held on to beta mindsets. Stephen Colbert is usually the token example of an omega male as someone who is ultra successful, attractive, but extremely liberal and has a wife and family with a woman far below his league. …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 12:39 AM
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Why would you want to aspire to be an Omega male?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 12:29 AM
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The snark level...It's...IT'S...IT'S OVER 9000!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/14 05:09 AM
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Yes. Except Feminism isn't fueled by hate. Feminism is a living, breathing victim complex turned ego-based superiority complex. TRP is a "fuck you too" movement. They aren't really the same, even though they're the same. Feminism is the loser who got a job at daddy's business and bought a hummer even though he's never seen a dirt road in this life. TRP is the guy who got bullied constantly when he was a kid and now never leaves the gym and lost all his friends. Unfortunately movements like RP wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/14 05:06 AM
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No.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/14 02:07 AM
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That's the commonly accepted definition of patriarchy by anthropologists and sociologists. By the commonly accepted definition of the term (not the BS feminist male conspiracy to keep bitches down definition), EVERY human society is a patriarchy and a pure matriarchy has NEVER existed. Note, I don't say this as if it's necessarily a bad thing. It's just how things are and to claim that Canada is a matriarchy is absurd. If your definition of "patriarchy" is holding any margin of social office(not…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/14 01:43 AM
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Possibly, but in doing that they are making the situation sound even less glim than TRP already suggests.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/14 12:47 AM
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Learning game was the easiest part for me. It's really not that hard to be somewhat more charming than most guys out there that have no real personality and stand for nothing in particular. Getting a nice body, especially if you're starting from having a not nice body would be a much greater investment of time. You can learn to undo the shitty things you do socially in, like, two or three months if you actually pay attention to them. It can takes years to correct your health. I'm not telling guy…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/14 12:44 AM
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Because women have no idea what they want. Rather cliche, but accurate. TRP, PUA, and other general notions of men learning how to be attractive from other men and not women that you now see becoming more popular on the internet, and in hook up culture, Nice GuyTm syndrome as a social epidemic, etc. is a direct result of women being horrible at being able to effectively communicate what attracts them. Women are great at teaching guys how to be good friends, and how to be good husbands; they're a…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/14 12:37 AM
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Women don't VALUE man whores. They just don't. In all the conversations I have had with all the women I know, over many, many years, I have never heard one woman say she values 'man whores'. Like NEVER. Asking women what they want is not an effective way you figure out what women want. Or get any information about women at all. They may not be as squeamish about it as men but they don't actively seek it in the same way men actively avoid it (it being a high partner count). But to be honest, in m…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/14 08:37 PM
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After having done research on all of these names at work, the only one I'll give you is Marie curie, and Marie Germain is arguable.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/14 08:30 PM
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It's not a good thing, but that's not the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/14 06:29 PM
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My issue with it is not that you shouldn't be fit, it's that TRP makes it sound like if you're not out of 300, you're fucked, which isn't the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/14 06:29 PM
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You're mixing moral and ethical behaviors and opinions with the basic logical proposition of whether or not demanding X for Y is fair. It doesn't work that way. I can ask for a low partner count when I have a high partner count because that's how human sex works. The issue is whether or not you lament the fact that the opposite gender prefers something that cannot be changed when they are asking of you something you had a full, conscious choice in, or was an immoral act forced upon you. Whether …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/14 09:14 AM
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It seems /u/ECoast_Man has already beat me too it. You're being a dipshit because instead of examining the actual issue which articles like this are examining, and I'll even grant you it's a bad and poorly written article, you are simply indulging in an opportunity mud-sling by intentionally misrepresenting the aim of the article. You are clearly pretending the purpose of this article is to garner sympathy, declaring they don't deserve sympathy because...whatever, and resorting to name calling w…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/14 09:07 AM
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Feel free to enlighten me.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/14 08:55 AM
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Having internet does not mean you're a 1st world nation. If much of your living conditions or the types of socio-economic issues you face are issues western civilizations faced centuries ago, you're not developed. Many of these countries do not have middle classes, or at least, only in specific locations. A place like Nigeria is not much more advanced socio-economically than Renaissance Italy. But this is a massive tangent. My original argument was that Feminism is a primarily western concern du…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/14 02:59 AM
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If you consider that since women began garnering increased privileges, and equality since the 1920's, outpace men and boys in the education system by a wide margain and still haven't really accomplished anything in the information age where knowledge is practically free and effortless, and technology's the ability to accomplish goals is extremely expansive and yet they've still not accomplished anything really, I'd say the desire to go above and beyond or have an effect on the world in a meaning…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/14 01:54 AM
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http://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/2owk4q/do_you_think_a_person_might_be_called_a_hypocrite/cmrdent Demanding someone be tall, but being upset with sexual preferences which would have required your consent/choice is hypocritical by definition, thus it would actually be more fair to judge someone more harshly on their partner count when the opposite gender is judging height. and You are technically correct that people can be attracted to whatever they want, however, men and women a…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/14 01:44 AM
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If you, on one hand, demand a sexual preference which would be inherent for a partner, but scorn a sexual preference by the opposite sex or potential partner which would typically be a conscious choice, you're a hypocrite. For example, if you're a woman who has a strong disposition towards tall men, but you find the idea of slut-shaming repulsive, you're a hypocrit. Why?; because men cannot physically control their height. Women, on the other hand, have a conscious choice regarding their partner…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/14 01:26 AM
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That's not hypocritical.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/14 01:21 AM
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Logistically speaking, youre point is actually backwards.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/14 01:21 AM
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Value: Money, fame, leadership, social standing, good looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 05:44 PM
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Of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 05:31 PM
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That's a terrible excuse for making oneself look like an dipshit with 4th grade reading comprehension.... You have no empathy for RedPills. OK. We get it. I've been on edit long enough to know that no one has empathy for anyone who isn't suffering or prospering n their exact same circumstances. This no longer needs to be vocalized. That being said, if you're going to be intentionally obtuse to deny the other side a "point", why are you even here? You're wasting both red and bluepills time.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 05:30 PM
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I would disagree, as a TRP man, this is a strong sentiment that I feel is one of the few things TRP gets very very flat out wrong. You don't need to have muscles to be attractive to most women who most men could realistically get.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 08:16 AM
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You have never posted a comment worth reading. Try harder.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 08:07 AM
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All in all the article is pretty bad, however, you have holes in your counter-argument. It doesn't strike women as rational and systematic in the least. Explain. Females attempt suicide 3 times as often as men - Men complete suicide 3x more than women. Again, women are to blame for these men's behavior? What explains the men that are achieving great things? Poor, poor rationalization. Your counter argument doesn't follow; is incoherent.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 07:55 AM
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This is probablly the most wrong I've ever seen someone unintentionally be to satisfy their own ego.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 07:48 AM
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That backhanded reply would be more relevant if we weren't talking about pretty much the other half of the planet than the west. Many African countries have, indeed, evolved fairly little since comming into contact with colonialists. The middle east is only comparable with western nations in select areas of social privileges and only in select areas. Resorts in UAE? Sure. Like, 90% of Afghanistan? Not so much...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 07:30 AM
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You literally do not understand what's being said. Either that or you're being purposely obstinate. You're literally just agreeing with me and pretending like I'm saying something I'm not, so I'm glad we finally agree on something, at least...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 07:20 AM
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Ah I see. I don't think that'll be necessary, I get the jist. Thanks though.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 12:53 AM
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Such utter nonsense. Your definition of patriarchy isn't consistent with any accepted definition of the term. The upper echelons of all societies are dominated by men, your surname is your father's not your mother's, your wife takes your name not the other way around. Yes it is. You're using 2 lesser aspects of Patriarchy to contradict the first primary aspect. Dictionary.com patriarchy [pey-tree-ahr-kee] Spell Syllables noun, plural patriarchies. a form of social organization in which the fathe…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/14 12:14 AM
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Ugh, you always say this; pretty much every time I've ever got into a discussion with you, you've repeated this nonsense line. If you're argument does a better job of supporting my conclusion than your own, of course I'm going to make that known. I can't believe you actually tried to argue that eliminating DV/sexually assault and perfect gender symmetry aren't achievable. You thought I believed they were?! I'm just pointing out that those are feminism's goals -- as long as women are raped, beate…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 11:25 PM
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Then that man has far more empathy than I.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 10:13 PM
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Wow. You got me so good, pointing out how paraphrasing someone's self-admittant thoughts is not the exact definition of "literally". We need more people like you on Reddit! No, seriously!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 10:12 PM
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I don't know what that means and you're probably replying to the wrong person.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 10:10 PM
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K.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 10:09 PM
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Why were you on trial? Are you a famous criminal? If so, can I get an autograph? Also, why would her new BF care if you're going to jail? That seems odd...
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 09:02 AM
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A valid counter argument but it makes no real difference. We're talking about countries that stopped advancing past, like, the 14th century. Hence, only western Feminism is really of consequence as far as intellectual discussion is concerned.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 09:00 AM
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Considering you clearly did not get the joke, that's a quandry you should first consider yourself...
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 08:59 AM
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Reading through this thread, I think a lot of concepts are being mishandled, and confused. When RP says women are less honourable, I think that's a slightly dramatic way of simply attempting to assert that women, quite often, make less morally just decisions, and this assertion is usually teamed with the TRP assertion that women are essentially overgrown children that haven't matured past 17'ish. The way people are interpretating this phenomenon won't be picked up with studies or tests: men have…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 06:30 AM
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You've clearly never met a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 06:09 AM
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She ever find out?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 06:08 AM
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I'm going to pretend those sentences made sense, and leave this conversation because you stopped being a value investment of my time, like, five replies ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 05:57 AM
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K. Do you want a medal? This has nothing to do with anything. You did propose fallacious counter arguments and I called you out on them correctly. Word up.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 11:42 PM
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What a dumb and pretentious thing to waste my time with saying. Of course people use then gratuitously... Because a lot of people are horrible at formulating coherent arguments, much like you. Do people often call a fallacy incorrectly? Sure. So what?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 08:58 PM
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This is like..the exact 180 degree thing I would have expected someone like you to say. Can you elaborate?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 08:18 AM
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As long as you're spewing your seed, your body doesn't really care. I'm sure if you're a virgin a really long time, you'd basically give up, as a pursuit of women is mostly mental now with porn and masturbation, and relegate yourself to that. It drops off.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 08:16 AM
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I do not understand why people don't naturally get this before, like, speaking? This is something I've been saying, for literally years, and people act like it's heresy. It's basic logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 08:12 AM
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No, but feminist arguments on the topic are generally insubstantial as everyone's life is shit. It's no better to be a child bride and raped on your wedding day than it is to be a child soldier or a diamond miner. Discussions on feminism need to be kept routed in the west.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 07:04 AM
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Feminism isn't really at thing in other countries. Countries where Feminism may actually be needed, life sucks for everyone and no one has any interest in it. Europe considers Feminism largely a political tool, not a social overtone.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 03:02 AM
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Doesn't have to.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 03:00 AM
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